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>> This webinar is being

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recorded and summarized.

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>> Good evening everyone. This

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is the council's JUNE

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legislative session in which we

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introduce new legislation and

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give final consideration to

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legislation previously

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introduced and heard this

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legislation session. This

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legislative session is being

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conducted as a hybrid meeting,

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which is available in person

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and virtual via WebEx. It is

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also available to the public

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through live stream on the

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Howard County Council website

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and broadcast on channels 44

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and 1071. The council will hold

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a hybrid public hearing on

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Monday, JUNE 15th at 7 P.M. On

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the legislation introduced this

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evening. Testimony can be given

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in person or virtually via

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WebEx. Written testimony can be

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sent to Council mail at Howard

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County, md.Gov. You MAY sign up

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in advance through the

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council's website, or you MAY

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sign up in person in front of

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the room via a laptop. Monday,

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JUNE 15th prior to the start of

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the public hearing. When

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signing up to testify, you will

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be asked if you are a student

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in grades k through 12 so that

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you can be called to testify

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early during the public hearing

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and whether your testimony

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will be provided in person

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or virtually via WebEx. If

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you select virtual, you

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will be provided

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instructions for logging

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into the WebEx session. If

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needed, the council will

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hold a work session on new

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legislation on Tuesday,

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JUNE 22nd at 10 A.M. In the

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c Vernon Gray Room. Public

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participation for these

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meetings will be available

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virtually via WebEx and

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viewed live streamed

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through the county

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council's website. At this

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time, I'm going to do a

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roll call for the council

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members, MISS Rigby here,

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MISS Jung here, MISS Walsh

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here, MR. Yungmann here.

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And I am Opel Jones. We

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will now recite the Pledge

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of Allegiance.

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>> Of the United States of

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America. One nation under GOD,

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indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Moving on to our agenda, we

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will begin today's session with

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approval of journals and

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minutes of meetings. I move to

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approve the Journal of

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Legislative Session MAY 5th and

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Legislative Session, MAY 20th.

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>> Second.

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>> MISS Harris, could you

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please call the vote to approve

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the Journal of Legislative

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Sessions on MAY 5th and MAY

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>> Chair Jones yes. MISS Young

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yes, MISS Rigby yes. MISS Walsh

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yes. MR. Yungmann yes.

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>> The motion to approve the

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journals pass. I move to

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approve the minutes of the

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budget. Work session. Operating

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budget, work session number two.

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On MAY 5th, the general budget

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public hearing on number three.

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Number three. MAY 7th,

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operating budget work session.

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Number three. MAY 11th. The

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operating budget work session

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number four on MAY 15th and the

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legislative Public hearing on

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MAY 18th.

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>> MISS Harris, could you

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please call the vote to approve

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the minutes previously noted.

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>> Chair Jones.

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>> MISS Young yes, MISS Rigby

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yes. MISS Walsh yes. MR.

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Yungmann yes.

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>> The motion to approve the

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minutes pass with the Council

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administrator. Please read the

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legislation for introduction.

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>> The following legislation is

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introduced by the chairperson

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at the request of the County

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Executive. Unless otherwise

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noted. Council resolution 120

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26, a resolution confirming the

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appointment of Elaine Yaowu to

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the Asian American and Pacific

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Resolution 101, 2026, a

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resolution confirming the

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appointment of Elizabeth a

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Leiba to the Commission for

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Women Council Resolution 102,

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2026, a resolution confirming

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the appointment of Lucia Urena

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to the La Alonza Latino

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Commission Council Resolution

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confirming the appointment of

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Wanda I. Colon Canales to the

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Alonza Latino Commission

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Council Bill 40, 2026, An

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Act pursuant to section 612

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of the Howard County Charter

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approving a lease agreement

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between Howard County, Maryland,

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and Gateway Crossing 95, llc, a

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Maryland limited liability

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company, for the lease of

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approximately 38,285 rentable

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square feet in space, located

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at 7138 Columbia Gateway Drive,

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Columbia, Maryland, and

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authorizing the county

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executive to take certain

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actions in connection with that

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agreement. Council Bill 41,

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2026, and that pursuant to

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section 612 of the Howard

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County Charter approving a

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Fourth Amendment to lease

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between Howard County, Maryland,

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and mayor ptf Linwood for the

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lease of approximately 12,477

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rentable square feet of space.

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Elkridge, Columbia, Maryland,

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and authorizing the County

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executive to take certain

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actions in connection with the

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agreement. Council Bill 42,

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2026, an ordinance authorizing

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the issuance, sale and delivery

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of up to $18,169,588 bond

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pursuant to a bond enabling law,

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providing that such bonds shall

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be general obligations of the

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County. Authorizing the County

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Executive to specify, prescribe,

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determine, provide for or

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approve the final principal

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amounts, maturity schedules,

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provisions of such bonds and

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other matters, details, forms,

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documents or procedures and to

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determine the method of sale of

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such bonds. Providing for the

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disbursement of the proceeds of

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such bonds and for the levying

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of taxes to pay debt service on

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such bonds and providing for

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and determining various matters

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in connection therewith.

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Council resolution 104, 2026. A

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resolution endorsing the

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provision of fine by the state

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Department of Commerce for an

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economic development project in

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Howard County and certifying

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that the project is consistent

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with the county's goals for

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Economic Development Council

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Resolution 105 2026, a

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resolution adopting Howard

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County's fy 2026 Annual Action

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Plan for Housing and Community

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receipt of federal Community

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resolution adopting the School

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Capacity Chart pursuant to the

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Adequate Public Facilities Act

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of Howard County to designate

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the elementary school regions

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and the elementary school,

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middle schools and high schools

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constraints for new residential

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development during each of the

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following ten years as based on

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capacity as defined by Howard

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policy and requiring certain

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joint special work meeting

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in accordance with section

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County Code Council,

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resolution 107, 2026, a

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resolution adopting the Howard

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the Housing Unit Allocation

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Chart pursuant to the Adequate

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County Council Bill 43, 2026,

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act designating certain days of

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commemoration requiring certain

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legislative findings regarding

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the religious, ethnic, ethnic

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and cultural heritage of county

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residents. Authorizing the

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Chief Administrative Officer to

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commemoration. My apologies.

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Council Bill 44, 2026.

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Introduced by Liz Walsh. An Act

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amending the Rules of Procedure

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for the Board of Appeals to

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require that a representative,

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excuse me from the

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administrative agency, appear

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before the Board of Appeals

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when named as a party of

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certain administrative appeals

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and generally relating to the

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Board of Appeals Council Bill

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Walsh, an act requiring. Excuse

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me, the director of the

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Department of Housing and

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Community Development to

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developments that are subject

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to an approved payment in lieu

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of taxes by taxes. Pilot

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agreement in the annual

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analysis of moderate income

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home housing programs under

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section. Excuse me. 13.402 j.

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I'm losing my voice of the

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Howard County Code and

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generally relating to reporting

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>> Yeah, allergy. I will read

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my next part slower. So, MISS

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Harriet, can I take a moment?

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That concludes our legislation

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for introduction. MISS Harriet,

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would you please take your time

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and read the legislation for

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final consideration? Council

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members, unless there's an

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objection, MISS Harriet will

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read all of the appointment

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resolutions together with the

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exception of Council Resolution

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together. Is there any

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objection, colleagues?

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Hearing no objection, MISS

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Harriet, please proceed.

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>> Thank you. I will do my

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best. If not, MR. Anderson,

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the following legislation

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is introduced by the

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chairperson at the request

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of the County Executive.

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Unless otherwise noted, Council

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resolution 52, 2026 appointment

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of Joseph c Hudzik to the Adopt

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Public Guardianship Review

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Board. Council Resolution 53,

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2026 appointment of Ning Lee to

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the Asian American and Pacific

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Islander Commission Council

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Resolution 4554 2026.

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Appointment of Keith Louie to

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the Asian American and Pacific

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Islander Commission Council

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Resolution 55, 2026.

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Appointment of Seema Agarwal

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Harding to the Asian American

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and Pacific Islander Commission

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Council. Resolution 57, 2026.

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Appointment of Swati Sharma to

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the Asian American and Pacific

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Islander Commission Council.

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Resolution 58, 2026 appointment

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of Rebecca Paulson Fields to

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the Commission for Women

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Council Resolution 59, 2026.

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Appointment of Bronson Palmer

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to the Commission for Women

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Council Resolution 60, 2026.

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Appointing Janine m Campbell to

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the Commission for Women

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Council resolution 61, 2026.

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Appointment of Angel m Robinson

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to the Martin Luther King

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Junior Holiday Commission

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Council Resolution 62, 2026. A

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appointment of Carlita. S

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Burton to the Martin Luther

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King Junior Holiday Commission

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Council Resolution 63, 2026.

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Appointment of Lena c

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Collington to the Martin Luther

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King Junior Holiday Commission

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Council Resolution 64, 2026.

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Appointment of Alison Karen

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Nichols to the Martin Luther

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King Junior Holiday Commission

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Council Resolution 65, 2026.

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Appointment of Ella Thacker to

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the Martin Luther King Junior

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Holiday Commission Council

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Resolution 66, 2026.

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Appointment of Sandy pagan to

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the La Alonso Latino Commission

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Council Resolution 67, 2026.

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Appointment of Erica Tustin to

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the La Alonso Latino Commission

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Council Resolution 68, 2026.

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Appointment of Lauren m

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Abdullah Doobie. I am so sorry

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to the Recreation and Parks

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Board Council Resolution 69,

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2026 reappointment of MAY Fong

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to the Asian American and

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Pacific Islander Commission

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Council Resolution 70, 2026.

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Reappointment of Jung Ren Smith

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to the Asian American and

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Pacific Islander Commission

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Council Resolution 71, 2026.

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Reappointment of Kimberly

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Eggborn to the Asian American

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and Pacific Islander Commission

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Council resolution 72, 2026.

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Reappointment of Samir c o'Hara

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to the Asian American and

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Pacific Islander Commission

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Council resolution 76, 2026.

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Reappointment of Phil Share to

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the Multimodal Transportation

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Board.

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>> Okay, I move to approve

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Council resolutions 52 through

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55 and 57 through 73 2026.

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>> Second.

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>> The previously read Council

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resolutions have been moved and

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seconded. Any discussion?

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Please call the vote.

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>> Chair. Jones.

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>> Yes.

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>> MISS Jung yes, MISS Rigby,

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yes, MISS Walsh yes. MR.

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Yungmann yes.

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>> All right. The previously

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read Council resolutions pass.

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>> Council Resolution 56, 2026

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appointment of Jason Zao to the

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Asian American Pacific Islander

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Commission.

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>> Okay, I move to table cr56,

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2026.

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>> Second.

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>> All right. The motion to

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table cr56 has been moved and

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seconded. MISS Harriet, would

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you please call the vote.

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>> Chair Jones.

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>> Yes.

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>> MISS Jung yes, MISS Rigby,

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yes, MISS Walsh yes. MR.

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Yungmann yes.

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>> I the motion to table cr56

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passes.

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>> Council Bill 25,

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2026cra224zra224. Is there any

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regulation amendment 224 for

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age restricted adult housing

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cottage clusters.

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>> Okay I move to approve.

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Cb252026.

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>> Second.

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>> I move to approve amendment

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one to cb25. Second MISS Sager.

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>> Sure. Amendment one age restricted adult

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housing cottage clusters in

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areas that are designated

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single family, low density,

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single family, medium density

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apartment and apartments on an

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ftp, and it also provides that

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age restricted adult housing

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cottage clusters that use the

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optional design project. Their

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density will be consistent with

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new town density provisions in

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the zoning regs.

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>> Okay, amendment one to cb 25

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has been moved and seconded.

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Any discussion?

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>> Yes, I, I have some

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questions. Since this is a new

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amendment, I'd like to know

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more about it, particularly

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since it involves New Town and

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I represent five of the

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villages of Newtown. I see you

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are there, MISS Eisenberg,

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could you please approach and I

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could ask you these questions?

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>> I'm sorry. When you say new

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amendment, what are you

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referring to?

452
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>> Well, it's an amendment to

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the bill and it wasn't part of

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the bill originally. Right.

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>> Well, that's an amendment.

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Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought

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you meant like new as in we

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didn't know about this

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beforehand, but I'm sorry, MISS

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Eisenberg. Please.

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>> So we didn't have an

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opportunity to ask about it

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when the bill was introduced.

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>> Yes.

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>> Good evening, Council.

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>> Doctor Jones.

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>> So to answer your question,

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so originally when we put

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forward the bill, we were

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looking at how it was

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incorporated into Newtown, and

472
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it was an oversight on our part,

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thinking that the residential

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suburban cluster, which is what

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most of the prevailing Newtown

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zoning district uses for its

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residential uses, we thought it

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was going to be incorporated

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into that. So upon further

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revisions and review, it was

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brought to our attention that

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we did not commit it into

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Newtown. So it was an oversight

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on our part. So we have

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inserted it here to make sure

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that Newtown is now included as

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part of the cottage cluster.

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>> So how many I mean, you know,

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three of us. Well, two of us, I

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guess, live in Columbia. And

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I'm just trying to think, where

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could you even put cottage

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clusters and still maintain

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that 30% open space that's

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required under Newtown zoning?

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Did you do a partial look at

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this? I mean.

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>> So we did look at parcels,

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but we looked at the individual

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smaller parcels that would meet

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the basic criteria of less than

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ten acres. So looking at what

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the Newtown zoning district

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allows for density, that's how

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we were basing this on.

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>> And when you looked at

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parcels, what did you did you

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see anything that was actually

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available and would maintain

510
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the 30% open. Space requirement?

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>> Look, that was not part of

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the consideration. I don't

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believe that's required. If

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this is to have 30% open space

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for these small types of infill

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development.

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>> You're saying that that

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putting in this infill infill

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development does not impact the

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30% requirement that you can

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just add this without having

522
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anything to do with the 30%

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requirement?

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>> Clarifying question. That

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30% requirement is not parcel

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by parcel.

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>> Correct.

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you. Right. I

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understand that it's not parcel

531
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by parcel that it's overall.

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But I guess the answer I just

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got from you, I was getting the

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impression that you're saying

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that these cottage clusters

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wouldn't count toward the

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overall.

538
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>> No, they would count, but

539
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they're not. But I think to MR.

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Rigby's point, not for each

541
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individual. Each individual

542
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community does not need to have

543
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30% open space.

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>> I understand.

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>> With the calculations it

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would be probably negligible

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with meeting the 30%

548
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requirement, so it would not

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take away or diminish that open

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space requirement that we have

551
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in Newtown.

552
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>> And and you believe that

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there's actually lots somewhere

554
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in Newtown where we could put

555
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cottage clusters?

556
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>> Depends on how people want

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to redevelop or develop their

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space. So we do have a web page

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dedicated to this, or we do

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have a zoning map showing where

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the probability of these

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occurring could happen.

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>> So you, you can you put that

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zoning? Can you sure. Share

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that zoning map.

566
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>> I can share my screen. I

567
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don't have a link. I think, to

568
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the meeting. Pardon me. Are you

569
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going to send it to me? Okay.

570
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Yep. And I can.

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>> While you're pulling that up,

572
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does anyone have any other

573
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comments or questions. And

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we'll go back to MISS Jung. Go

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ahead.

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>> I would just say that I was

577
00:19:26,394 --> 00:19:27,562
really glad to hear testimony

578
00:19:27,562 --> 00:19:29,364
in support of including Newtown.

579
00:19:29,364 --> 00:19:31,132
I know that many of our seniors

580
00:19:31,132 --> 00:19:32,133
in Columbia are looking for

581
00:19:32,133 --> 00:19:33,535
smaller housing options to

582
00:19:33,535 --> 00:19:35,200
downsize into, especially those

583
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,604
that will meet their mobility

584
00:19:36,604 --> 00:19:39,600
needs. A lot of our housing

585
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,310
stock in Newtown is very stair

586
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:43,144
centric, so I appreciate the

587
00:19:43,144 --> 00:19:45,144
administration being responsive

588
00:19:45,847 --> 00:19:48,490
to the resident's request.

589
00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:49,351
>> MISS Walsh.

590
00:19:49,351 --> 00:19:50,985
>> Yeah, we also heard that

591
00:19:50,985 --> 00:19:53,388
request in the public testimony

592
00:19:53,388 --> 00:19:54,655
and have a similar minded

593
00:19:54,655 --> 00:19:57,758
amendment coming up in the form

594
00:19:57,758 --> 00:20:01,610
of amendment number four. But I

595
00:20:01,610 --> 00:20:04,610
just wondered why they looked

596
00:20:04,165 --> 00:20:05,266
so different. If one if one is

597
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:07,666
achieving something that four

598
00:20:11,406 --> 00:20:13,407
doesn't or vice versa.

599
00:20:13,407 --> 00:20:14,442
>> So I think one of the things

600
00:20:14,442 --> 00:20:16,410
that was remiss in the

601
00:20:16,410 --> 00:20:18,546
amendment four was putting it

602
00:20:18,546 --> 00:20:20,480
towards r 12 zoning

603
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,880
specifically, and then looking

604
00:20:23,284 --> 00:20:24,785
at Newtown for their densities.

605
00:20:24,785 --> 00:20:26,186
The densities aren't based on

606
00:20:26,186 --> 00:20:27,955
zoning. Districts are based on

607
00:20:27,955 --> 00:20:29,757
the land use categories of

608
00:20:29,757 --> 00:20:31,959
single family, low density,

609
00:20:31,959 --> 00:20:34,359
single family, medium and

610
00:20:35,462 --> 00:20:37,632
apartments. So that was the how

611
00:20:37,632 --> 00:20:38,699
our the the dp's put forward

612
00:20:38,699 --> 00:20:40,201
amendment was written as

613
00:20:40,201 --> 00:20:43,201
opposed to the amendment put

614
00:20:43,871 --> 00:20:44,872
forward by council.

615
00:20:44,872 --> 00:20:46,740
>> Okay. So technically

616
00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:48,175
amendment one would be the same

617
00:20:48,175 --> 00:20:51,712
would be the better way to

618
00:20:51,712 --> 00:20:52,120
achieve what's intended. Yes.

619
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:53,480
>> Correct.

620
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,548
>> Okay. Thank you.

621
00:20:54,548 --> 00:20:56,548
>> All right.

622
00:20:57,818 --> 00:20:58,185
>> Okay. Do we have that link?

623
00:20:58,185 --> 00:21:00,185
Okay.

624
00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:03,550
>> Just got it.

625
00:21:04,224 --> 00:21:06,224
>> Okay. MISS Jung.

626
00:21:06,526 --> 00:21:10,126
>> So while I'm waiting to see

627
00:21:11,198 --> 00:21:13,633
the zoning parcels that MISS

628
00:21:13,633 --> 00:21:14,935
Eisenberg referred to.

629
00:21:14,935 --> 00:21:17,237
>> Oh, you could just you could

630
00:21:17,237 --> 00:21:19,807
email it to us. I mean, we.

631
00:21:19,807 --> 00:21:20,807
>> Yeah. We are.

632
00:21:20,807 --> 00:21:21,774
>> I'll put it.

633
00:21:21,774 --> 00:21:22,309
>> Up there. Okay.

634
00:21:22,309 --> 00:21:24,309
>> Right.

635
00:21:31,685 --> 00:21:32,819
>> If we can. MR.

636
00:21:32,819 --> 00:21:34,819
>> Okay. Thank you.

637
00:21:39,593 --> 00:21:41,610
>> Yeah, I guess.

638
00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:42,162
>> I do have a couple more

639
00:21:42,162 --> 00:21:43,596
questions while you're getting

640
00:21:43,596 --> 00:21:44,764
that up, but sure.

641
00:21:44,764 --> 00:21:47,100
>> Go ahead. You can.

642
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:47,333
>> Ask will, we'll let you work

643
00:21:47,333 --> 00:21:49,102
on that.

644
00:21:49,102 --> 00:21:51,104
>> No, go ahead. Please. Please

645
00:21:51,104 --> 00:21:52,505
ask them so that we can we can

646
00:21:52,505 --> 00:21:54,340
be expeditious as this is not a

647
00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:56,242
work session if you want us to

648
00:21:56,242 --> 00:21:56,609
be able to ask questions. So

649
00:21:56,609 --> 00:21:58,378
please go ahead.

650
00:21:58,378 --> 00:21:59,712
>> Well, we didn't have a work

651
00:21:59,712 --> 00:22:02,712
session, so that's why I'm

652
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:04,884
asking these questions now.

653
00:22:04,884 --> 00:22:05,685
>> Do you have a question to

654
00:22:05,685 --> 00:22:05,918
ask?

655
00:22:05,918 --> 00:22:07,654
>> I do.

656
00:22:07,654 --> 00:22:08,855
>> So please ask it.

657
00:22:08,855 --> 00:22:09,822
>> Well, I want to let MISS

658
00:22:09,822 --> 00:22:10,957
Eisenberg finish.

659
00:22:10,957 --> 00:22:12,225
>> Does any other colleagues

660
00:22:12,225 --> 00:22:13,250
have any questions?

661
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:14,661
>> I'm trying to share my

662
00:22:14,661 --> 00:22:16,663
screen. It's not coming up.

663
00:22:16,663 --> 00:22:18,310
>> We see it in the WebEx. Can

664
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:19,310
we get charity?

665
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:20,533
>> There you go.

666
00:22:20,533 --> 00:22:22,533
>> There we go.

667
00:22:22,635 --> 00:22:25,635
>> So these are the feasible

668
00:22:25,938 --> 00:22:27,140
locations of potential

669
00:22:27,140 --> 00:22:28,707
properties that could. I'm

670
00:22:28,707 --> 00:22:32,307
trying to zoom in to Columbia.

671
00:22:32,478 --> 00:22:34,580
It's not the best resolution,

672
00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:36,682
but based on sites that were

673
00:22:36,682 --> 00:22:39,285
200 zero square feet up to ten

674
00:22:39,285 --> 00:22:42,285
acres and that had limited

675
00:22:42,488 --> 00:22:45,488
development on them and had

676
00:22:45,725 --> 00:22:48,927
potential to at this point have

677
00:22:48,927 --> 00:22:50,563
cottage cluster as it's written

678
00:22:50,563 --> 00:22:52,198
currently and proposed. So it's

679
00:22:52,198 --> 00:22:53,299
not the be all and end all.

680
00:22:53,299 --> 00:22:54,266
There could be other

681
00:22:54,266 --> 00:22:56,101
opportunities, but we wanted to

682
00:22:56,101 --> 00:22:57,569
look and see what types of

683
00:22:57,569 --> 00:22:58,704
properties would have some

684
00:22:58,704 --> 00:23:00,473
potential for this type of

685
00:23:00,473 --> 00:23:02,341
development type.

686
00:23:02,341 --> 00:23:03,676
>> MISS MISS Rigby.

687
00:23:03,676 --> 00:23:05,578
>> And just to clarify that

688
00:23:05,578 --> 00:23:07,346
every parcel marked in red,

689
00:23:07,346 --> 00:23:08,847
they MAY have additional

690
00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:10,615
challenges that would prevent

691
00:23:10,615 --> 00:23:12,180
their development, such as

692
00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:13,152
streams, setbacks, steep slopes,

693
00:23:13,152 --> 00:23:14,520
those types of things.

694
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,288
>> To some extent. Yes, we did

695
00:23:16,288 --> 00:23:17,723
take some of that into

696
00:23:17,723 --> 00:23:18,590
consideration when we did the

697
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:19,825
analysis.

698
00:23:19,825 --> 00:23:20,593
>> These are the more feasible

699
00:23:20,593 --> 00:23:21,794
ones. Correct.

700
00:23:21,794 --> 00:23:24,563
>> Thank you. So it did look

701
00:23:24,563 --> 00:23:26,963
like there were maybe 50

702
00:23:27,566 --> 00:23:28,533
parcels that you identified in

703
00:23:28,533 --> 00:23:29,835
Newtown. Is that right?

704
00:23:29,835 --> 00:23:31,704
>> I don't have an exact number.

705
00:23:31,704 --> 00:23:33,538
I'd have to get that for you.

706
00:23:33,538 --> 00:23:36,141
>> I'm just trying to eyeball

707
00:23:36,141 --> 00:23:38,141
it right now.

708
00:23:38,376 --> 00:23:40,178
>> We kept this very general.

709
00:23:40,178 --> 00:23:41,981
Just to give an idea of the

710
00:23:41,981 --> 00:23:43,150
order of impact. And this is

711
00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:45,517
only allowed in the planned

712
00:23:45,517 --> 00:23:46,985
service area as well.

713
00:23:46,985 --> 00:23:48,386
>> Okay. Can you help me

714
00:23:48,386 --> 00:23:49,521
reconcile the the map of

715
00:23:49,521 --> 00:23:50,889
impacted parcels that was

716
00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:52,357
included in the technical staff

717
00:23:52,357 --> 00:23:54,757
report that basically showed

718
00:23:55,227 --> 00:23:57,795
the entirety of district one in

719
00:23:57,795 --> 00:23:59,798
red. I'm happy to show it up

720
00:23:59,798 --> 00:24:01,650
next to my face for the camera,

721
00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:01,299
but.

722
00:24:01,299 --> 00:24:03,135
>> Like.

723
00:24:03,135 --> 00:24:04,303
>> I believe those are just the

724
00:24:04,303 --> 00:24:06,400
zoned parcels. I don't know, I

725
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,710
have to.

726
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:08,606
>> Write. The information we

727
00:24:08,606 --> 00:24:09,707
got previously through the

728
00:24:09,707 --> 00:24:12,707
technical staff report was that

729
00:24:13,245 --> 00:24:14,679
there were 55,651 impacted

730
00:24:14,679 --> 00:24:17,790
parcels, with an approximate

731
00:24:18,683 --> 00:24:20,585
acreage of 32,723 acres. This

732
00:24:20,585 --> 00:24:21,753
that you have up on the screen.

733
00:24:21,753 --> 00:24:23,655
Now, this is the old one.

734
00:24:23,655 --> 00:24:24,890
>> Yeah. So that goes based on

735
00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:26,591
the impact of parcels that meet

736
00:24:26,591 --> 00:24:28,260
the zoning criteria. What we

737
00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:29,627
were doing with the impact of

738
00:24:29,627 --> 00:24:30,829
parcels beyond that. So that's

739
00:24:30,829 --> 00:24:32,930
part of what the zoning staff

740
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:34,165
report is supposed to require.

741
00:24:34,165 --> 00:24:35,400
What we have done here is that

742
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,568
we looked at properties

743
00:24:36,568 --> 00:24:38,737
specifically within the planned

744
00:24:38,737 --> 00:24:42,937
service area that had to have a

745
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,576
minimum lot size of 20,000ft!S.

746
00:24:45,576 --> 00:24:46,645
So that was just the basic

747
00:24:46,645 --> 00:24:48,446
criteria within the technical

748
00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:49,981
staff report that just looks at

749
00:24:49,981 --> 00:24:52,981
properties that have the zoning

750
00:24:53,484 --> 00:24:55,486
that could hold this type of

751
00:24:55,486 --> 00:24:56,554
optional design project project.

752
00:24:56,554 --> 00:24:58,556
>> Okay, so the difference

753
00:24:58,556 --> 00:25:00,391
between that technical staff

754
00:25:00,391 --> 00:25:01,792
report map and this that you

755
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:03,327
put up on the screen that's

756
00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:06,970
available on the Department of

757
00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:07,198
Planning website. Can you

758
00:25:07,198 --> 00:25:07,431
articulate that again for me

759
00:25:07,431 --> 00:25:09,300
please?

760
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,235
>> So this is so the one that I

761
00:25:11,235 --> 00:25:12,470
just had posted had to do with

762
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:14,104
areas that were specifically in

763
00:25:14,104 --> 00:25:15,807
those zoning districts that are

764
00:25:15,807 --> 00:25:18,807
allowed to have cottage cluster,

765
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
but also having minimum lot

766
00:25:22,313 --> 00:25:24,782
size of 200 zero square feet

767
00:25:24,782 --> 00:25:25,917
and no more than because it

768
00:25:25,917 --> 00:25:27,851
follows the criteria of no more

769
00:25:27,851 --> 00:25:31,322
than ten acres as well, was one

770
00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:32,756
of the limitations we put. And

771
00:25:32,756 --> 00:25:34,258
that would be within the zoning

772
00:25:34,258 --> 00:25:35,960
districts that have been put

773
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,128
forward for this amendment. So

774
00:25:37,128 --> 00:25:38,295
as opposed to the technical

775
00:25:38,295 --> 00:25:40,264
staff report that basically

776
00:25:40,264 --> 00:25:42,132
looks at any parcel that hits

777
00:25:42,132 --> 00:25:43,934
the potential zoning.

778
00:25:43,934 --> 00:25:45,736
>> Okay. So one regard zoning

779
00:25:45,736 --> 00:25:46,103
and the other has zoning plus

780
00:25:46,103 --> 00:25:47,471
lot size.

781
00:25:47,471 --> 00:25:49,206
>> Correct, more feasible. What

782
00:25:49,206 --> 00:25:52,206
the feasibility based on what

783
00:25:52,542 --> 00:25:54,545
the code would state.

784
00:25:54,545 --> 00:25:55,679
>> Okay. Thank you.

785
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,281
>> Would you about to say

786
00:25:57,281 --> 00:25:59,681
something, MR. Yungmann? Okay,

787
00:26:00,484 --> 00:26:01,918
MR. Rigby. Okay. MISS Walsh.

788
00:26:01,918 --> 00:26:04,854
>> I do have some more

789
00:26:04,854 --> 00:26:07,324
questions. Can you tell me how

790
00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,250
this amendment will impact the

791
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:11,250
apartment maximum percentage,

792
00:26:13,796 --> 00:26:16,132
which is capped at 13%. Cottage

793
00:26:16,132 --> 00:26:18,468
clusters are rentals. Will they

794
00:26:18,468 --> 00:26:20,303
be classified as apartments?

795
00:26:20,303 --> 00:26:21,872
>> No. So they could be for

796
00:26:21,872 --> 00:26:23,841
rent or for purchase, depending

797
00:26:23,841 --> 00:26:26,810
on what the property owner

798
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:28,770
chooses to do. They are not

799
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:30,460
considered apartments. So when

800
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:31,810
you look at the new town land

801
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:32,949
use designations, that has to

802
00:26:32,949 --> 00:26:34,985
do more with the association of

803
00:26:34,985 --> 00:26:36,985
density.

804
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:41,491
>> So this won't impact the

805
00:26:41,491 --> 00:26:43,491
apartment maximum percentage,

806
00:26:45,862 --> 00:26:48,640
which is capped at 13%. Okay.

807
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,640
And how does the amendment

808
00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:54,834
impact the overall? No. I just

809
00:26:59,209 --> 00:27:00,543
already ask you that. So the I

810
00:27:00,543 --> 00:27:02,379
just want to make sure it

811
00:27:02,379 --> 00:27:04,779
appears that new town's

812
00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:07,750
existing density per acre

813
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:09,552
remains the same for a cottage

814
00:27:09,552 --> 00:27:10,720
cluster.

815
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,550
>> If you're talking about the

816
00:27:12,550 --> 00:27:13,957
overall density, then yes, that

817
00:27:13,957 --> 00:27:15,558
would be calculated at the time

818
00:27:15,558 --> 00:27:17,160
of the proposal being submitted.

819
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,328
And if you know densities need

820
00:27:18,328 --> 00:27:20,163
to change, that would be up to

821
00:27:20,163 --> 00:27:23,163
the applicant to make a

822
00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:26,333
proposal to a pdp amendment.

823
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:29,338
>> Okay.

824
00:27:29,338 --> 00:27:30,839
>> Great, MISS Walsh.

825
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,839
>> All right. Thank you. So

826
00:27:34,377 --> 00:27:37,246
just so I'm clear, if I own

827
00:27:37,246 --> 00:27:39,448
a parcel within New Town

828
00:27:39,448 --> 00:27:41,584
that is between 20,000ft!S

829
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:42,685
and ten acres, and it's in one

830
00:27:42,685 --> 00:27:43,952
of those three land use

831
00:27:43,952 --> 00:27:45,554
categories that you identified

832
00:27:45,554 --> 00:27:47,322
in amendment one that we did

833
00:27:47,322 --> 00:27:49,591
not identify an amendment for.

834
00:27:49,591 --> 00:27:51,627
If I have just a singular home

835
00:27:51,627 --> 00:27:53,863
there right now, I could once

836
00:27:53,863 --> 00:27:55,998
this this legislation passes,

837
00:27:55,998 --> 00:27:57,800
raise that House and build up

838
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,269
to whatever the. The new

839
00:28:00,269 --> 00:28:01,704
density set forth is in the

840
00:28:01,704 --> 00:28:02,838
form of these cottage clusters,

841
00:28:02,838 --> 00:28:03,839
right.

842
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:05,674
>> Potentially with the

843
00:28:05,674 --> 00:28:07,674
optional design project.

844
00:28:07,876 --> 00:28:09,770
>> Okay. I mean, I think that's

845
00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:10,379
the concern is that we're we're

846
00:28:10,379 --> 00:28:12,514
we're putting we're putting

847
00:28:12,514 --> 00:28:13,582
that risk on any, any size lot

848
00:28:13,582 --> 00:28:15,830
anywhere in the county that's

849
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:17,619
not outside the public service

850
00:28:17,619 --> 00:28:19,355
area to, to remove existing

851
00:28:19,355 --> 00:28:19,588
housing and replace it with

852
00:28:19,588 --> 00:28:21,356
tenfold.

853
00:28:21,356 --> 00:28:22,624
>> I mean, that can happen now

854
00:28:22,624 --> 00:28:25,624
with any zoning district. You

855
00:28:25,827 --> 00:28:28,263
could have something zoned, you

856
00:28:28,263 --> 00:28:29,465
know, apartment and have a

857
00:28:29,465 --> 00:28:30,933
single family home on that and

858
00:28:30,933 --> 00:28:32,835
certainly raise that home and,

859
00:28:32,835 --> 00:28:34,469
and build an apartment or Todd

860
00:28:34,469 --> 00:28:35,604
or any of our other zoning

861
00:28:35,604 --> 00:28:37,373
categories on that.

862
00:28:37,373 --> 00:28:38,373
>> Well, but the density

863
00:28:38,373 --> 00:28:39,508
contemplated here is much

864
00:28:39,508 --> 00:28:41,477
higher, right? You could have a

865
00:28:41,477 --> 00:28:44,246
home in our 20, and you could

866
00:28:44,246 --> 00:28:45,713
have two, two units per acre

867
00:28:45,713 --> 00:28:46,140
under our 20, right?

868
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:47,349
>> Correct.

869
00:28:47,349 --> 00:28:48,550
>> And under this cottage

870
00:28:48,550 --> 00:28:49,585
cluster, in that same zoning

871
00:28:49,585 --> 00:28:50,352
district, you could have how

872
00:28:50,352 --> 00:28:51,586
many?

873
00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:52,720
>> It depends on the acreage,

874
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,989
but they would fall under the

875
00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:56,389
same density requirements if

876
00:28:56,457 --> 00:28:57,860
they're outside of New Town as

877
00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:59,610
the.

878
00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:00,862
>> The answer is nine. You

879
00:29:00,862 --> 00:29:02,630
could have nine units where you

880
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:04,320
can have two. Now in our 20.

881
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,000
>> And that's how rh currently

882
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,680
works as well. The age

883
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,202
restriction. So this is no

884
00:29:07,202 --> 00:29:08,870
different than age restricted

885
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:09,871
adult housing that we currently

886
00:29:09,871 --> 00:29:10,805
have this conditional use

887
00:29:10,805 --> 00:29:12,273
within those districts.

888
00:29:12,273 --> 00:29:12,640
>> Then why do we need this

889
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,900
legislation.

890
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:15,910
>> Because we don't allow this

891
00:29:15,910 --> 00:29:18,310
development style, this cottage

892
00:29:18,413 --> 00:29:20,181
cluster style with no lot lines,

893
00:29:20,181 --> 00:29:21,949
essentially, and with a uniform

894
00:29:21,949 --> 00:29:24,151
universal design. And so that

895
00:29:24,151 --> 00:29:26,420
was the intent of this.

896
00:29:26,420 --> 00:29:27,521
>> So the density in in this

897
00:29:27,521 --> 00:29:29,257
bill is no different than

898
00:29:29,257 --> 00:29:30,491
what's already allowed under rh.

899
00:29:30,491 --> 00:29:32,493
>> That was what we mimicked it

900
00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:33,661
after. Correct.

901
00:29:33,661 --> 00:29:35,330
>> That mimicked or the same.

902
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:37,330
>> The same.

903
00:29:37,465 --> 00:29:39,465
>> Okay. Thank you.

904
00:29:42,670 --> 00:29:45,700
>> Okay. Any last questions?

905
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
>> Well, one last question. I

906
00:29:51,912 --> 00:29:53,748
guess if we vote yes on the

907
00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:55,748
county executive's amendment,

908
00:29:56,251 --> 00:29:58,486
does that then make MISS

909
00:29:58,486 --> 00:30:00,387
Walsh's amendment moot?

910
00:30:00,387 --> 00:30:00,755
>> I'm not moving it. I mean,

911
00:30:00,755 --> 00:30:02,389
it sounds like.

912
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:03,558
>> You're not going to.

913
00:30:03,558 --> 00:30:06,558
>> Move it right. The right

914
00:30:07,795 --> 00:30:08,963
version of it.

915
00:30:08,963 --> 00:30:09,964
>> Okay. Thank you. Colleagues.

916
00:30:09,964 --> 00:30:11,799
MISS Harris, could you please

917
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:13,468
call the vote on amendment one

918
00:30:13,468 --> 00:30:14,601
to cb 25?

919
00:30:14,601 --> 00:30:15,336
>> Chair Jones.

920
00:30:15,336 --> 00:30:16,771
>> Yes.

921
00:30:16,771 --> 00:30:17,138
>> MISS Young.

922
00:30:17,138 --> 00:30:19,138
>> Yes.

923
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,775
>> MISS Rigby yes. MISS Walsh

924
00:30:21,775 --> 00:30:22,176
yes. MR. Yungmann.

925
00:30:22,176 --> 00:30:23,277
>> Yes.

926
00:30:23,277 --> 00:30:25,677
>> The motion to approve

927
00:30:26,147 --> 00:30:27,381
amendment one to cb 25 passes.

928
00:30:27,381 --> 00:30:30,981
I move to approve amendment two

929
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,855
to cb 25. Second amendment to

930
00:30:34,855 --> 00:30:36,924
the cb 25 has been moved and

931
00:30:36,924 --> 00:30:38,392
seconded. Any discussion, MISS

932
00:30:38,392 --> 00:30:38,692
Sager? Oh, wait. Sorry, MISS

933
00:30:38,692 --> 00:30:40,460
Sager.

934
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:42,362
>> Sure. Amendment to just

935
00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:44,598
changes the maximum height for

936
00:30:44,598 --> 00:30:44,931
principal structures from 20ft

937
00:30:44,931 --> 00:30:45,900
to 22ft.

938
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:47,900
>> Okay. Any discussion?

939
00:30:48,469 --> 00:30:49,937
Colleagues?

940
00:30:49,937 --> 00:30:51,304
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.

941
00:30:51,304 --> 00:30:53,400
>> MR. Yungmann, MISS Jung.

942
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,608
>> And that's to make sure you

943
00:30:54,608 --> 00:30:56,430
can accommodate a second level.

944
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:58,178
>> More comfortably. Yes. So

945
00:30:58,178 --> 00:31:00,114
even with the 20 foot that we

946
00:31:00,114 --> 00:31:02,514
had originally proposed, there

947
00:31:02,983 --> 00:31:05,520
was some concern that variances

948
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,187
would be coming in to raise it

949
00:31:07,187 --> 00:31:10,390
so we can do an administrative

950
00:31:10,390 --> 00:31:11,925
adjustment up to 20%. So the

951
00:31:11,925 --> 00:31:13,961
concern from the community was

952
00:31:13,961 --> 00:31:15,262
that it MAY not comfortably fit

953
00:31:15,262 --> 00:31:16,763
a second story. So typically

954
00:31:16,763 --> 00:31:18,999
how we measure the second story

955
00:31:18,999 --> 00:31:21,268
is by the main roof line. So

956
00:31:21,268 --> 00:31:22,802
you could have a two story unit.

957
00:31:22,802 --> 00:31:24,337
But then I think there was

958
00:31:24,337 --> 00:31:25,939
concern that if they had a

959
00:31:25,939 --> 00:31:27,808
creative roof line, so to speak,

960
00:31:27,808 --> 00:31:29,609
that that might be eaten up in

961
00:31:29,609 --> 00:31:31,344
the roof line as opposed to

962
00:31:31,344 --> 00:31:32,812
having a true second story

963
00:31:32,812 --> 00:31:34,181
being added.

964
00:31:34,181 --> 00:31:37,830
>> I ask that because, I mean,

965
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:38,952
when we talked the other day,

966
00:31:38,952 --> 00:31:40,987
you know, to make it clear, I

967
00:31:40,987 --> 00:31:43,387
mean, 900 square foot footprint

968
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:46,426
plus a 900 square foot upper

969
00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:47,560
level plus basement is just an

970
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,960
1800 square foot single family

971
00:31:50,864 --> 00:31:52,932
home, which in a lot of areas

972
00:31:52,932 --> 00:31:53,266
of Howard County is gonna be

973
00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:54,660
$800,000.

974
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:56,660
>> Yeah.

975
00:31:56,202 --> 00:31:58,237
>> So once you, once you double

976
00:31:58,237 --> 00:32:00,637
that square footage and

977
00:32:00,806 --> 00:32:03,806
potentially add a third bedroom,

978
00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:05,145
you're now creating a market

979
00:32:05,145 --> 00:32:08,470
situation. The whole point of

980
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:10,216
this is to, instead of through

981
00:32:10,216 --> 00:32:11,317
regulation, creating

982
00:32:11,317 --> 00:32:12,585
affordability and through

983
00:32:12,585 --> 00:32:14,585
subsidy, creating affordability

984
00:32:16,689 --> 00:32:17,757
is just to, to limit sizes. So

985
00:32:17,757 --> 00:32:19,525
affordability just sort of

986
00:32:19,525 --> 00:32:21,360
happens as a market driver, but

987
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,463
it that's going to be a big

988
00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:24,730
house. I mean, you basically.

989
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:25,631
>> It's a very big house. It's

990
00:32:25,631 --> 00:32:27,990
a regular.

991
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:28,867
>> Single family detached house.

992
00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:31,370
>> I don't get this whole thing.

993
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:33,640
This isn't a cottage any longer.

994
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,408
This is a regular size

995
00:32:35,408 --> 00:32:36,876
townhouse. In fact, it's bigger

996
00:32:36,876 --> 00:32:38,811
than the townhouses of the

997
00:32:38,811 --> 00:32:41,481
people that I know that live in

998
00:32:41,481 --> 00:32:42,982
it. I. Where does the

999
00:32:42,982 --> 00:32:45,982
affordability come in at this

1000
00:32:46,185 --> 00:32:49,540
point? Nobody's. What now? The

1001
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:53,254
deal is, I guess you get a

1002
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:56,459
single family detached townhome

1003
00:32:57,663 --> 00:32:59,264
under the cottage cluster that

1004
00:32:59,264 --> 00:33:02,435
doesn't, but does have. It has

1005
00:33:02,435 --> 00:33:05,571
a zero lot line, I guess. Kind

1006
00:33:05,571 --> 00:33:07,106
of like Maple Lawn.

1007
00:33:07,106 --> 00:33:08,507
>> I'd say like Owen Brown,

1008
00:33:08,507 --> 00:33:10,342
Hopewell.

1009
00:33:10,342 --> 00:33:13,245
>> Well, I see it like Maple

1010
00:33:13,245 --> 00:33:15,781
Run because it's going to be,

1011
00:33:15,781 --> 00:33:17,316
I'm sure, as expensive as Maple

1012
00:33:17,316 --> 00:33:18,817
Lawn as opposed to Owen Brown.

1013
00:33:18,817 --> 00:33:20,486
Well, yeah. So because these

1014
00:33:20,486 --> 00:33:21,286
are brand new. Yeah, these are

1015
00:33:21,286 --> 00:33:23,588
brand new. These are going to

1016
00:33:23,588 --> 00:33:26,225
be brand new houses. A cottage

1017
00:33:26,225 --> 00:33:27,626
is is a single story.

1018
00:33:27,626 --> 00:33:28,794
>> It looks like.

1019
00:33:28,794 --> 00:33:30,429
>> Sorry, can I just one

1020
00:33:30,429 --> 00:33:32,631
clarifying question. So this

1021
00:33:32,631 --> 00:33:33,732
could with the additional roof

1022
00:33:33,732 --> 00:33:35,660
height, would that mean that

1023
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:36,769
you could have a second unit

1024
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:39,504
and sort of do instead of two

1025
00:33:39,504 --> 00:33:41,573
over two, like a one over one.

1026
00:33:41,573 --> 00:33:42,441
>> With an elevator?

1027
00:33:42,441 --> 00:33:44,441
>> Ideally, yeah.

1028
00:33:45,243 --> 00:33:47,445
>> Now we're looking at at 740

1029
00:33:47,445 --> 00:33:48,580
000 over 55 senior house.

1030
00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:49,882
>> That's their seniors.

1031
00:33:49,882 --> 00:33:50,983
>> It's ridiculous.

1032
00:33:50,983 --> 00:33:52,417
>> Obviously. Okay, I would

1033
00:33:52,417 --> 00:33:56,170
just like to finish my comments.

1034
00:33:56,540 --> 00:34:00,254
So a few things. One, right now

1035
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,794
we have the base outline of

1036
00:34:02,794 --> 00:34:03,962
900ft!S, correct? Correct.

1037
00:34:03,962 --> 00:34:05,430
>> For yeah, for the building

1038
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:08,430
footprint. And that was based

1039
00:34:08,433 --> 00:34:09,668
on the state was suggesting 800.

1040
00:34:09,668 --> 00:34:11,169
We want a little bit bigger

1041
00:34:11,169 --> 00:34:12,870
with 900, but we base this off

1042
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:14,372
the silver and starter home

1043
00:34:14,372 --> 00:34:16,240
state legislation that was

1044
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:17,642
moving forward, but

1045
00:34:17,642 --> 00:34:19,143
subsequently did not pass the

1046
00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:20,778
Maryland General Assembly. So

1047
00:34:20,778 --> 00:34:21,913
that's what we look to for our

1048
00:34:21,913 --> 00:34:23,715
guidance and where we came up

1049
00:34:23,715 --> 00:34:25,817
with the 900ft!S, thinking that

1050
00:34:25,817 --> 00:34:27,352
seemed a little small in some

1051
00:34:27,352 --> 00:34:29,120
ways for some of our

1052
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,588
constituents who felt like 900

1053
00:34:30,588 --> 00:34:32,423
was more appropriate.

1054
00:34:32,423 --> 00:34:34,492
>> And then with the optional

1055
00:34:34,492 --> 00:34:36,327
design process, if a project

1056
00:34:36,327 --> 00:34:37,695
were to sort of begin and it

1057
00:34:37,695 --> 00:34:40,598
came in and it looked just like

1058
00:34:40,598 --> 00:34:42,867
every other massive villa, a

1059
00:34:42,867 --> 00:34:44,680
rah, how does that process go?

1060
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,370
Because there's more back and

1061
00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:47,906
forth with the design process

1062
00:34:47,906 --> 00:34:48,906
than there is your sort of by

1063
00:34:48,906 --> 00:34:50,341
right zoning.

1064
00:34:50,341 --> 00:34:52,741
>> Correct. So, absolutely. So

1065
00:34:53,277 --> 00:34:55,380
the design process would be put

1066
00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:56,481
forward similar to how we do

1067
00:34:56,481 --> 00:34:58,316
our site development plans with

1068
00:34:58,316 --> 00:35:01,152
the requirements of what would

1069
00:35:01,152 --> 00:35:02,253
be be put forward by the

1070
00:35:02,253 --> 00:35:04,455
applicants. But the back and

1071
00:35:04,455 --> 00:35:05,823
forth would come from the

1072
00:35:05,823 --> 00:35:07,525
design advisory panel to make

1073
00:35:07,525 --> 00:35:10,161
sure that good design is

1074
00:35:10,161 --> 00:35:12,730
adhered to, keeping into the

1075
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:13,898
character of the community as

1076
00:35:13,898 --> 00:35:15,660
well as them back and forth

1077
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:16,901
with the Planning Board. So

1078
00:35:16,901 --> 00:35:18,803
this MAY be not this. These MAY

1079
00:35:18,803 --> 00:35:19,937
not be settled in one night,

1080
00:35:19,937 --> 00:35:21,372
especially the Planning Board

1081
00:35:21,372 --> 00:35:22,739
understanding within their

1082
00:35:22,739 --> 00:35:24,608
criteria that these are to be

1083
00:35:24,608 --> 00:35:26,344
age restricted, affordable,

1084
00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:28,344
naturally affordable housing.

1085
00:35:29,246 --> 00:35:31,140
So they very much could deny

1086
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:32,616
having large units being put on

1087
00:35:32,616 --> 00:35:33,950
these particular sites, knowing

1088
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:35,152
that that's not the intent of

1089
00:35:35,152 --> 00:35:36,787
the legislation, and that would

1090
00:35:36,787 --> 00:35:38,289
be within their power through

1091
00:35:38,289 --> 00:35:40,424
this actual design process. The

1092
00:35:40,424 --> 00:35:42,192
idea was to give flexibility so

1093
00:35:42,192 --> 00:35:44,940
we could utilize creative

1094
00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:46,329
design to have these particular

1095
00:35:46,329 --> 00:35:47,531
units be built in Howard County.

1096
00:35:47,531 --> 00:35:49,265
>> I mean, because every time

1097
00:35:49,265 --> 00:35:51,501
I've looked at trying to do

1098
00:35:51,501 --> 00:35:53,370
cottage clusters legislation,

1099
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:54,405
we get hit by the infill

1100
00:35:54,405 --> 00:35:56,240
requirements. And it basically

1101
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,475
you can build one unit and it's

1102
00:35:58,475 --> 00:36:00,677
impossible. So I thought it was

1103
00:36:00,677 --> 00:36:02,779
really wise to go the optional

1104
00:36:02,779 --> 00:36:04,148
design route, because then

1105
00:36:04,148 --> 00:36:05,616
there's a lot more back and

1106
00:36:05,616 --> 00:36:07,885
forth and it's much more sort

1107
00:36:07,885 --> 00:36:09,152
of site specific. And also you

1108
00:36:09,152 --> 00:36:10,620
can make sure that they're

1109
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:11,655
adhering to the spirit, not

1110
00:36:11,655 --> 00:36:14,390
just the letter of the law.

1111
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:16,126
Correct. Thank you.

1112
00:36:16,126 --> 00:36:18,526
>> All right, MR. Jung.

1113
00:36:18,895 --> 00:36:22,495
>> I, I, I jumped ahead a

1114
00:36:22,532 --> 00:36:23,733
little bit and it looks like

1115
00:36:23,733 --> 00:36:25,769
what we're going to talk about

1116
00:36:25,769 --> 00:36:28,705
in a couple of minutes might be

1117
00:36:28,705 --> 00:36:30,574
moving the 900 up to 1200. But

1118
00:36:30,574 --> 00:36:33,476
in one story that feels more

1119
00:36:33,476 --> 00:36:35,145
like a cottage, it feels more

1120
00:36:35,145 --> 00:36:37,981
like, okay, you know, maybe if

1121
00:36:37,981 --> 00:36:39,820
900 is tight, I'm not sure if

1122
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:40,583
I'm even comfortable with 1200,

1123
00:36:40,583 --> 00:36:43,583
but whatever that number is,

1124
00:36:45,188 --> 00:36:46,690
that's more than 900. You know,

1125
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:48,525
as flat. I mean, that is going

1126
00:36:48,525 --> 00:36:50,794
to be kind of affordable. I

1127
00:36:50,794 --> 00:36:53,794
mean, your, your two bedroom,

1128
00:36:53,864 --> 00:36:55,332
two bath, 1600 square foot

1129
00:36:55,332 --> 00:36:57,660
condos that are all over Howard

1130
00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:00,660
County age restricted in the

1131
00:37:00,436 --> 00:37:03,436
four over four buildings, you

1132
00:37:03,672 --> 00:37:06,610
know, or 350 to 4 and a quarter,

1133
00:37:06,610 --> 00:37:08,478
let's say, but with big condo

1134
00:37:08,478 --> 00:37:10,450
fees because they have a lot of

1135
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:12,445
amenities. Whereas if you've

1136
00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:15,785
got 1000 1102 bedrooms.

1137
00:37:15,785 --> 00:37:16,152
>> Not requiring a million

1138
00:37:16,152 --> 00:37:18,200
amenities.

1139
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,654
>> One level, not a lot of

1140
00:37:18,654 --> 00:37:20,523
amenities, you know, maybe

1141
00:37:20,523 --> 00:37:23,326
these things can come in in the

1142
00:37:23,326 --> 00:37:25,326
low 300 seconds without

1143
00:37:25,595 --> 00:37:27,595
exorbitant condo fees.

1144
00:37:28,397 --> 00:37:31,997
>> So I guess my question is

1145
00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:35,435
the 1200 foot amendment, MISS

1146
00:37:37,406 --> 00:37:38,874
Walsh, that you did, was that

1147
00:37:38,874 --> 00:37:41,274
anticipating a single story?

1148
00:37:41,977 --> 00:37:43,312
>> Then I did an amendment to

1149
00:37:43,312 --> 00:37:46,480
an amendment to clarify the

1150
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,216
single story piece because I.

1151
00:37:47,216 --> 00:37:49,284
>> So, so really fast before

1152
00:37:49,284 --> 00:37:50,519
his amendment two. I know, I.

1153
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:51,787
>> Know, but these are all kind

1154
00:37:51,787 --> 00:37:53,787
of related.

1155
00:37:53,889 --> 00:37:55,758
>> Yes, but we we haven't. I

1156
00:37:55,758 --> 00:37:56,859
just don't want to get too far

1157
00:37:56,859 --> 00:37:57,893
into discussions on amendments.

1158
00:37:57,893 --> 00:37:59,662
We haven't moved yet because

1159
00:37:59,662 --> 00:38:01,597
before us is amendment two. But

1160
00:38:01,597 --> 00:38:03,997
go ahead. Please continue.

1161
00:38:05,801 --> 00:38:07,969
>> I mean, I just I am at a

1162
00:38:07,969 --> 00:38:09,772
loss here to understand how

1163
00:38:09,772 --> 00:38:12,172
this bill brings affordable

1164
00:38:12,708 --> 00:38:15,708
senior housing to Howard County,

1165
00:38:15,978 --> 00:38:18,146
when it could be an 1800 well,

1166
00:38:18,146 --> 00:38:21,746
more than 1800. If it has a

1167
00:38:21,850 --> 00:38:23,185
basement, it could be 2400

1168
00:38:23,185 --> 00:38:24,253
square foot home, which is

1169
00:38:24,253 --> 00:38:27,253
exactly what is being built

1170
00:38:27,723 --> 00:38:30,693
right now. Can you please tell

1171
00:38:30,693 --> 00:38:33,228
me how this bill, the way it is

1172
00:38:33,228 --> 00:38:35,628
being amended, amended will

1173
00:38:36,798 --> 00:38:37,999
help seniors live in more

1174
00:38:37,999 --> 00:38:39,335
affordable, smaller homes.

1175
00:38:39,335 --> 00:38:40,836
>> So which amendment are you

1176
00:38:40,836 --> 00:38:41,269
referring to? The height. The

1177
00:38:41,269 --> 00:38:43,269
height. The height.

1178
00:38:43,271 --> 00:38:45,730
>> Gives us 22ft, which makes

1179
00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:48,543
it easy to add on a second

1180
00:38:48,543 --> 00:38:50,543
story, 900 foot, 900 square

1181
00:38:51,313 --> 00:38:52,981
foot footprint. That's 900. And

1182
00:38:52,981 --> 00:38:55,550
then you put something on top

1183
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:56,684
that's 1800ft!S. You have a

1184
00:38:56,684 --> 00:38:59,840
basement. There's not there's

1185
00:38:59,154 --> 00:39:02,154
no basement prohibited in here.

1186
00:39:02,357 --> 00:39:04,592
That's a not another 900ft!S.

1187
00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:06,694
That's 2700ft!S. That's about

1188
00:39:06,694 --> 00:39:09,694
the average size, probably of

1189
00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:13,332
most of these over 55

1190
00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:15,737
retirement villas. And those

1191
00:39:15,737 --> 00:39:17,505
are those are really expensive,

1192
00:39:17,505 --> 00:39:20,541
that they're an average. Now I

1193
00:39:20,541 --> 00:39:22,877
think of about 740 000 people

1194
00:39:22,877 --> 00:39:25,813
were looking for these for the

1195
00:39:25,813 --> 00:39:29,170
cottages. This is not a cottage.

1196
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:29,751
This is a 2700 square foot

1197
00:39:29,751 --> 00:39:31,119
townhome.

1198
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:32,253
>> Well, so first of all, I

1199
00:39:32,253 --> 00:39:34,422
think a couple things to keep

1200
00:39:34,422 --> 00:39:35,523
in to take into account is that

1201
00:39:35,523 --> 00:39:37,158
one of the things that MR.

1202
00:39:37,158 --> 00:39:38,259
Rigby said, that this would be

1203
00:39:38,259 --> 00:39:39,360
an optional design under the

1204
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,295
Planning board's discretion. So

1205
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:41,629
this is not but.

1206
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:43,731
>> It's discretionary. And and

1207
00:39:43,731 --> 00:39:45,800
then it might not be. So it

1208
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,803
might or it might not be. And

1209
00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:50,204
and if you're a builder, why

1210
00:39:50,204 --> 00:39:51,339
wouldn't you want to build the

1211
00:39:51,339 --> 00:39:53,207
thing you're going to get the

1212
00:39:53,207 --> 00:39:54,409
most money out of? That's what

1213
00:39:54,409 --> 00:39:56,377
you're going to do. And you'll

1214
00:39:56,377 --> 00:39:58,513
get the most money out of the

1215
00:39:58,513 --> 00:40:00,913
2700 square foot apartment or

1216
00:40:01,782 --> 00:40:03,818
I'm sorry, townhome, as opposed

1217
00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:05,620
to a little cottage, which is

1218
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:06,654
the affordable thing that I

1219
00:40:06,654 --> 00:40:08,889
thought we were trying to

1220
00:40:08,889 --> 00:40:10,391
create.

1221
00:40:10,391 --> 00:40:11,926
>> So again, I believe, you

1222
00:40:11,926 --> 00:40:15,526
know, the Planning Board has a

1223
00:40:15,797 --> 00:40:19,397
lot of discretion to adhere to

1224
00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:21,902
the intent of the law to make a

1225
00:40:21,902 --> 00:40:23,770
naturally affordable single

1226
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:25,106
family cottage cluster home.

1227
00:40:25,106 --> 00:40:27,308
I'm sorry, age restricted

1228
00:40:27,308 --> 00:40:29,476
cottage cluster, smaller units.

1229
00:40:29,476 --> 00:40:30,577
The second story, you know, the

1230
00:40:30,577 --> 00:40:31,678
idea was to have these

1231
00:40:31,678 --> 00:40:33,381
universal design and that's put

1232
00:40:33,381 --> 00:40:36,283
into the law. Universal design

1233
00:40:36,283 --> 00:40:38,118
has to have all of the

1234
00:40:38,118 --> 00:40:39,453
amenities on the first floor

1235
00:40:39,453 --> 00:40:40,587
for someone. So they have to

1236
00:40:40,587 --> 00:40:43,570
have a bedroom on the first

1237
00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:44,925
floor and eating space and a

1238
00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:45,959
living space for them. So

1239
00:40:45,959 --> 00:40:47,161
everything can be accommodated

1240
00:40:47,161 --> 00:40:48,862
for on the first floor under

1241
00:40:48,862 --> 00:40:50,231
the universal design becomes

1242
00:40:50,231 --> 00:40:51,298
more challenging to meet the

1243
00:40:51,298 --> 00:40:52,566
universal design requirements

1244
00:40:52,566 --> 00:40:54,301
with multi story unless they

1245
00:40:54,301 --> 00:40:55,469
put in some type of elevator.

1246
00:40:55,469 --> 00:40:56,470
>> That's what all these

1247
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:58,238
retirement places have right

1248
00:40:58,238 --> 00:40:58,939
now, MISS Eisenberg, all of

1249
00:40:58,939 --> 00:41:00,707
them.

1250
00:41:00,707 --> 00:41:02,900
>> And that is what our rh

1251
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,440
allows. But the idea again is

1252
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,745
because these are clusters, not

1253
00:41:05,745 --> 00:41:08,648
condo units, you're not getting

1254
00:41:08,648 --> 00:41:11,118
as many on the particular site.

1255
00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:14,540
So you're having smaller units

1256
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:16,540
potentially. Potentially with

1257
00:41:16,256 --> 00:41:17,624
no no, no lots, no maintenance,

1258
00:41:17,624 --> 00:41:18,492
no amenities. So there's

1259
00:41:18,492 --> 00:41:20,127
another choice because that's

1260
00:41:20,127 --> 00:41:23,630
one of the things we also wrote

1261
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:27,330
into this is to put a guardrail

1262
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:28,368
to demonetize these spaces to

1263
00:41:28,368 --> 00:41:30,768
actually penalize, to make

1264
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,106
these two, two attractive from

1265
00:41:33,106 --> 00:41:34,574
the amenitized area. So no

1266
00:41:34,574 --> 00:41:36,877
pickleball. No. Right. I get.

1267
00:41:36,877 --> 00:41:39,245
>> That and I think that's good.

1268
00:41:39,245 --> 00:41:40,680
Actually, I, I think these hoa

1269
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,800
fees for these retirement

1270
00:41:43,583 --> 00:41:45,718
places have gotten out of

1271
00:41:45,718 --> 00:41:46,886
control. And most of the, a lot

1272
00:41:46,886 --> 00:41:48,788
of the seniors I've talked to

1273
00:41:48,788 --> 00:41:50,556
have said they want to move out

1274
00:41:50,556 --> 00:41:53,556
of their retirement or they're

1275
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:55,461
over 55 homes because of the

1276
00:41:55,461 --> 00:41:57,663
hoa fees, which they're being

1277
00:41:57,663 --> 00:42:00,133
charged for because of the

1278
00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:03,436
amenities. So I think that's a

1279
00:42:03,436 --> 00:42:06,272
really good aspect of this bill.

1280
00:42:06,272 --> 00:42:08,407
But the the size and the height,

1281
00:42:08,407 --> 00:42:10,210
I just think take it out of the

1282
00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:12,780
affordable range. When people

1283
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:14,478
are looking to downsize,

1284
00:42:15,314 --> 00:42:16,682
they've got a 2400 square foot

1285
00:42:16,682 --> 00:42:18,851
home. Now. They want something

1286
00:42:18,851 --> 00:42:21,354
that's half that size. And now

1287
00:42:21,354 --> 00:42:22,522
we're saying to developers, oh,

1288
00:42:22,522 --> 00:42:25,458
here you can make something

1289
00:42:25,458 --> 00:42:27,326
just as big and don't put any

1290
00:42:27,326 --> 00:42:30,290
amenities in there, and you can

1291
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:31,297
sell the house for just as much.

1292
00:42:31,297 --> 00:42:33,650
>> So I would say, you know,

1293
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:34,300
it's under this body's purview.

1294
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:36,101
If you want to lower the size

1295
00:42:36,101 --> 00:42:37,403
and make an amendment to not

1296
00:42:37,403 --> 00:42:38,771
allow second story or basement,

1297
00:42:38,771 --> 00:42:40,873
I mean, that's certainly under

1298
00:42:40,873 --> 00:42:42,107
your jurisdiction to make those

1299
00:42:42,107 --> 00:42:43,976
changes. If you feel that these

1300
00:42:43,976 --> 00:42:45,477
are too big of units to make

1301
00:42:45,477 --> 00:42:48,460
them affordable. We were basing

1302
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:49,548
it on best practices and the

1303
00:42:49,548 --> 00:42:51,250
state law and legislation that

1304
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:52,451
was being put forward.

1305
00:42:52,451 --> 00:42:53,752
>> Okay. Any other comments? Go

1306
00:42:53,752 --> 00:42:55,752
ahead. MR. Yungmann.

1307
00:42:56,421 --> 00:42:59,421
>> Back to back to amendment

1308
00:43:02,828 --> 00:43:04,963
two. You know, I. Can you can

1309
00:43:04,963 --> 00:43:07,165
you get a second story on at

1310
00:43:07,165 --> 00:43:08,567
20ft?

1311
00:43:08,567 --> 00:43:09,235
>> We've heard it's very, very

1312
00:43:09,235 --> 00:43:11,137
challenging to do.

1313
00:43:11,137 --> 00:43:11,503
>> Because it's going to end up

1314
00:43:11,503 --> 00:43:13,171
being flat roof.

1315
00:43:13,171 --> 00:43:13,639
>> Correct. And that will

1316
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,639
really.

1317
00:43:16,808 --> 00:43:18,376
>> Really ugly in, in these

1318
00:43:18,376 --> 00:43:20,776
neighborhoods, you know, having

1319
00:43:21,647 --> 00:43:25,150
these flat roof. So I almost

1320
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:28,200
feel like I almost feel like we

1321
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,189
need to, if we're going to do

1322
00:43:30,189 --> 00:43:32,724
these in order, we have to

1323
00:43:32,724 --> 00:43:34,425
agree to the 22ft and then

1324
00:43:34,425 --> 00:43:35,960
reopen the discussion about one

1325
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,796
level, because we really don't

1326
00:43:37,796 --> 00:43:41,396
want to get stuck with two

1327
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,401
levels at 20ft, because then

1328
00:43:43,401 --> 00:43:44,602
you're going to end up with

1329
00:43:44,602 --> 00:43:44,837
things that look like seven

1330
00:43:44,837 --> 00:43:46,404
elevens.

1331
00:43:46,404 --> 00:43:47,905
>> So yeah, we have several

1332
00:43:47,905 --> 00:43:50,750
amendments coming up. The order

1333
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:51,743
MAY be not to everyone's liking

1334
00:43:51,743 --> 00:43:52,911
in terms of how it's going to

1335
00:43:52,911 --> 00:43:54,746
happen, but there's others that

1336
00:43:54,746 --> 00:43:56,447
are coming up. If we could if

1337
00:43:56,447 --> 00:43:58,250
we could vote on amendment two.

1338
00:43:58,250 --> 00:44:00,180
And as we see, we have a couple

1339
00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:01,719
of others coming, but I'll give

1340
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,656
a last chance for any other

1341
00:44:04,656 --> 00:44:05,790
last comments or questions on

1342
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:08,560
amendment two so that we can

1343
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,610
move on. MISS Walsh, please.

1344
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:11,730
>> Thank you. I went back and

1345
00:44:11,730 --> 00:44:14,980
pulled a public testimony and

1346
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:16,534
this request to change from 20

1347
00:44:16,534 --> 00:44:18,336
foot height to 22 height came

1348
00:44:18,336 --> 00:44:19,737
from Barry Mayeda, who's a

1349
00:44:19,737 --> 00:44:21,305
developer at least predominant

1350
00:44:21,305 --> 00:44:22,673
in Elkridge area. And he

1351
00:44:22,673 --> 00:44:23,841
explained that the 20 foot max

1352
00:44:23,841 --> 00:44:25,743
height to the middle of a roof

1353
00:44:25,743 --> 00:44:27,745
line stated in the bill is a

1354
00:44:27,745 --> 00:44:28,813
bit too tight for a two story

1355
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:29,881
home. It would force an

1356
00:44:29,881 --> 00:44:31,783
architect to use a cheaper

1357
00:44:31,783 --> 00:44:34,785
looking, flatter roof of a four

1358
00:44:34,785 --> 00:44:36,620
inch 12 pitch. So.

1359
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:38,523
>> I was channeling my inner

1360
00:44:38,523 --> 00:44:40,291
barometer. I guess I don't

1361
00:44:40,291 --> 00:44:40,591
remember him saying that. Yeah.

1362
00:44:40,591 --> 00:44:42,591
Okay.

1363
00:44:44,262 --> 00:44:45,630
>> All right. So okay. All

1364
00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:46,764
right. So let's let's wrap up

1365
00:44:46,764 --> 00:44:48,599
amendment two. Then we have

1366
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,199
amendment three just ahead in a

1367
00:44:52,236 --> 00:44:53,538
few seconds. MISS Harry, could

1368
00:44:53,538 --> 00:44:54,500
you please call the vote on

1369
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:54,838
amendment two?

1370
00:44:54,838 --> 00:44:56,541
>> Chair Jones.

1371
00:44:56,541 --> 00:44:57,642
>> I'm going to vote yes. I'm

1372
00:44:57,642 --> 00:44:58,642
looking forward to amendment

1373
00:44:58,642 --> 00:44:59,710
the discussion on amendment

1374
00:44:59,710 --> 00:45:01,446
three, but my vote is yes.

1375
00:45:01,446 --> 00:45:02,580
>> MISS Jung.

1376
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:04,580
>> No.

1377
00:45:05,149 --> 00:45:06,651
>> MISS Rigby.

1378
00:45:06,651 --> 00:45:08,651
>> Yes.

1379
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:13,758
>> MISS Walsh? No. MR. Yungmann.

1380
00:45:13,758 --> 00:45:14,892
>> Yes.

1381
00:45:14,892 --> 00:45:17,292
>> The motion to approve

1382
00:45:21,999 --> 00:45:24,399
amendment two passes. Okay.

1383
00:45:26,303 --> 00:45:27,838
>> Yeah, but I don't want to

1384
00:45:27,838 --> 00:45:31,508
move this. If the net effect is

1385
00:45:31,508 --> 00:45:32,510
now going to be a two story,

1386
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:33,611
3600 square foot home.

1387
00:45:33,611 --> 00:45:35,612
>> Well, do you want.

1388
00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:35,813
>> To move it so we can talk

1389
00:45:35,813 --> 00:45:37,614
about.

1390
00:45:37,614 --> 00:45:39,160
>> And then maybe we can amend

1391
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,816
it from the dais.

1392
00:45:39,816 --> 00:45:41,485
>> Anyone can move it.

1393
00:45:41,485 --> 00:45:42,586
>> Okay, okay. I move amendment

1394
00:45:42,586 --> 00:45:44,354
number three to Council Bill

1395
00:45:44,354 --> 00:45:46,354
number 25, 2020 second. And

1396
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:47,924
this bill was in response to

1397
00:45:47,924 --> 00:45:50,324
public testimony by Fran

1398
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,962
Lopresti, who did an informal

1399
00:45:51,962 --> 00:45:54,640
survey of the size of two

1400
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,132
bedroom units in in the county

1401
00:45:55,132 --> 00:45:58,132
and noted that there were

1402
00:45:58,335 --> 00:45:59,569
somewhere between 9 and 1200ft!S.

1403
00:45:59,569 --> 00:46:00,970
So thinking that these were

1404
00:46:00,970 --> 00:46:02,339
cottages and cottages are

1405
00:46:02,339 --> 00:46:05,242
generally not two stories or

1406
00:46:05,242 --> 00:46:07,444
even have basements, that that

1407
00:46:07,444 --> 00:46:10,346
was that was where we were

1408
00:46:10,346 --> 00:46:11,782
proceeding. Now we've moved and

1409
00:46:11,782 --> 00:46:13,984
approved. At least the majority

1410
00:46:13,984 --> 00:46:15,719
has this notion of as many as

1411
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,187
three inhabitable floors in one

1412
00:46:17,187 --> 00:46:19,587
of these so-called cottages.

1413
00:46:19,689 --> 00:46:20,324
And so I agree with the earlier

1414
00:46:20,324 --> 00:46:22,159
discussion. We're moving

1415
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,694
further and further afield from

1416
00:46:24,694 --> 00:46:25,896
something that's even remotely

1417
00:46:25,896 --> 00:46:27,263
affordable.

1418
00:46:27,263 --> 00:46:29,799
>> Okay. You want to move yours?

1419
00:46:29,799 --> 00:46:30,834
>> Yes. I move amendment one to

1420
00:46:30,834 --> 00:46:32,235
amendment three.

1421
00:46:32,235 --> 00:46:34,300
>> Second.

1422
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:37,300
>> So what this amendment does

1423
00:46:39,108 --> 00:46:40,544
is it essentially, I know I was

1424
00:46:40,544 --> 00:46:42,379
concerned about the cumulative

1425
00:46:42,379 --> 00:46:43,847
total even prior to amendment

1426
00:46:43,847 --> 00:46:46,682
two, thinking, okay, if we go

1427
00:46:46,682 --> 00:46:48,151
up to 1200, then you could have

1428
00:46:48,151 --> 00:46:49,252
1200 square foot basement, 1200

1429
00:46:49,252 --> 00:46:51,487
square foot first floor, and

1430
00:46:51,487 --> 00:46:53,890
then you can do a 1200 square

1431
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:55,691
foot second floor. It would

1432
00:46:55,691 --> 00:46:57,493
just be with an ugly roof.

1433
00:46:57,493 --> 00:46:58,628
That's really the decision. So

1434
00:46:58,628 --> 00:47:00,429
I was concerned about that

1435
00:47:00,429 --> 00:47:04,290
cumulative total. And so I put

1436
00:47:04,333 --> 00:47:06,769
in this amendment to allow for

1437
00:47:06,769 --> 00:47:08,400
or 1200ft!S only when the

1438
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,405
cottage cluster dwelling unit

1439
00:47:09,405 --> 00:47:11,908
is a single story dwelling and

1440
00:47:11,908 --> 00:47:13,242
does not include a basement. So

1441
00:47:13,242 --> 00:47:14,743
that's just some language to

1442
00:47:14,743 --> 00:47:15,912
begin working off of. But again,

1443
00:47:15,912 --> 00:47:16,946
it was the cumulative total

1444
00:47:16,946 --> 00:47:18,614
that I had concerns about.

1445
00:47:18,614 --> 00:47:20,816
>> All right, MR. Yungmann.

1446
00:47:20,816 --> 00:47:21,951
>> What's what's the what's the

1447
00:47:21,951 --> 00:47:24,951
threshold when you lose your

1448
00:47:25,588 --> 00:47:26,689
second floor? You know.

1449
00:47:26,689 --> 00:47:27,723
>> 1200.

1450
00:47:27,723 --> 00:47:29,723
>> Sorry, 1200 the.

1451
00:47:30,259 --> 00:47:33,129
>> Max 900ft!S and do a full

1452
00:47:33,129 --> 00:47:34,597
second floor, or you have

1453
00:47:34,597 --> 00:47:38,797
1200ft!S, but only a first floor.

1454
00:47:38,934 --> 00:47:40,680
>> What about 901?

1455
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,169
>> No, apparently, the way this

1456
00:47:41,169 --> 00:47:44,169
is written, you can have

1457
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,239
nothing between 900 or 1200ft!S.

1458
00:47:47,844 --> 00:47:49,845
>> Well, is that the intention?

1459
00:47:49,845 --> 00:47:51,147
>> I would say I'm I'm open to

1460
00:47:51,147 --> 00:47:53,615
some flexibility, but I was

1461
00:47:53,615 --> 00:47:54,349
working off amending MISS

1462
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:56,349
Walsh's amendment, which

1463
00:47:57,153 --> 00:47:59,210
strikes the 900. So I restored

1464
00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:01,523
it. But I'm certainly open to

1465
00:48:01,523 --> 00:48:03,523
friendly amendments.

1466
00:48:03,526 --> 00:48:07,229
>> Yeah, I mean, I, I, I think

1467
00:48:07,229 --> 00:48:10,132
that I think you, I mean, based

1468
00:48:10,132 --> 00:48:13,100
on the site, if the footprints

1469
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:14,903
of things can only be 600ft!S,

1470
00:48:14,903 --> 00:48:17,373
then sure, let them do a second

1471
00:48:17,373 --> 00:48:19,808
level and it's 1200 total and

1472
00:48:19,808 --> 00:48:23,145
that's great. And if you want

1473
00:48:23,145 --> 00:48:24,646
to do 1200 all in one story or

1474
00:48:24,646 --> 00:48:26,848
1100 all in one story, that's

1475
00:48:26,848 --> 00:48:29,618
great. We just have to figure

1476
00:48:29,618 --> 00:48:31,753
out, are we going to target a

1477
00:48:31,753 --> 00:48:33,688
total floor space versus a

1478
00:48:33,688 --> 00:48:36,125
building footprint, or are we

1479
00:48:36,125 --> 00:48:37,926
going to have some threshold at

1480
00:48:37,926 --> 00:48:39,828
which you lose your second

1481
00:48:39,828 --> 00:48:41,129
level? I mean, I would just go

1482
00:48:41,129 --> 00:48:42,564
total floor space because

1483
00:48:42,564 --> 00:48:43,599
that's what's going to drive

1484
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:44,833
cost.

1485
00:48:44,833 --> 00:48:47,833
>> So what would you suggest

1486
00:48:50,538 --> 00:48:52,273
that MR. Yungmann. For total

1487
00:48:52,273 --> 00:48:53,410
floor space.

1488
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:54,376
>> I would.

1489
00:48:54,376 --> 00:48:57,976
>> Well, what's the term of art

1490
00:48:58,446 --> 00:49:01,446
that is preferential for dpc?

1491
00:49:03,785 --> 00:49:05,787
If it is floor space.

1492
00:49:05,787 --> 00:49:07,550
>> I mean, what if he did 1200

1493
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:08,490
total floor space?

1494
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:10,157
>> Because I mean, these are

1495
00:49:10,157 --> 00:49:11,426
senior houses. We're trying to

1496
00:49:11,426 --> 00:49:12,426
get them out of stairs. We

1497
00:49:12,426 --> 00:49:14,426
don't want.

1498
00:49:14,429 --> 00:49:15,563
>> But but a lot of them are

1499
00:49:15,563 --> 00:49:16,664
saying they want the bedroom

1500
00:49:16,664 --> 00:49:19,664
for their grandkids or whatever,

1501
00:49:20,350 --> 00:49:21,135
which you can absolutely do at

1502
00:49:21,135 --> 00:49:25,335
1000ft!S on one level. I mean,

1503
00:49:27,575 --> 00:49:29,177
that's kind of the size of my.

1504
00:49:29,177 --> 00:49:30,745
>> The heart of amendment 1 to

1505
00:49:30,745 --> 00:49:31,780
3 is really I was concerned

1506
00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:33,581
about the cumulative total. And

1507
00:49:33,581 --> 00:49:34,849
then by saying, you know, if

1508
00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:36,717
you ban the basement and then

1509
00:49:36,717 --> 00:49:39,530
say it must be on the single

1510
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:40,554
story, then I hoped we were

1511
00:49:40,554 --> 00:49:43,554
getting closer to the the

1512
00:49:44,191 --> 00:49:45,159
cottage clusters.

1513
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:46,961
>> Okay.

1514
00:49:46,961 --> 00:49:49,961
>> I mean, my preference would

1515
00:49:50,598 --> 00:49:53,501
be 1200ft!S, period. And, and

1516
00:49:53,501 --> 00:49:56,370
nothing, no second floor. That

1517
00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:58,906
that seems to me to be if we're

1518
00:49:58,906 --> 00:50:01,376
really, truly putting this in

1519
00:50:01,376 --> 00:50:03,776
place to create affordable

1520
00:50:04,612 --> 00:50:07,612
senior housing, a cottage is

1521
00:50:07,882 --> 00:50:11,819
one story and it's going to be

1522
00:50:11,819 --> 00:50:14,422
a lot less expensive if it is

1523
00:50:14,422 --> 00:50:16,924
only one story than if it's two

1524
00:50:16,924 --> 00:50:18,924
stories. It just.

1525
00:50:19,726 --> 00:50:20,428
>> I'm regretting moving my, my,

1526
00:50:20,428 --> 00:50:21,280
my amendment.

1527
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,263
>> You could vote.

1528
00:50:22,263 --> 00:50:23,830
>> It down.

1529
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:25,980
>> All right. So before us is

1530
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:27,301
amendment one to amendment

1531
00:50:27,301 --> 00:50:30,901
three. It sounds like there MAY

1532
00:50:31,272 --> 00:50:33,441
be an appetite for a friendly

1533
00:50:33,441 --> 00:50:35,909
discussion about maybe having a

1534
00:50:35,909 --> 00:50:38,912
1200 or less or at most 1200 to

1535
00:50:38,912 --> 00:50:40,680
handle the 900 or 1200

1536
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:40,981
situation. But I'll leave it up

1537
00:50:40,981 --> 00:50:41,615
to.

1538
00:50:41,615 --> 00:50:41,882
>> Well.

1539
00:50:41,882 --> 00:50:43,851
>> I mean.

1540
00:50:43,851 --> 00:50:45,619
>> I don't I don't remember the

1541
00:50:45,619 --> 00:50:46,720
count. It wasn't me, but some

1542
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,655
majority of you determined that

1543
00:50:48,655 --> 00:50:52,826
it was okay with you to call a

1544
00:50:52,826 --> 00:50:55,950
cottage a two story building.

1545
00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:55,595
Right? So, so how does this.

1546
00:50:55,595 --> 00:50:56,396
>> How does.

1547
00:50:56,396 --> 00:50:58,231
>> This anyway, it.

1548
00:50:58,231 --> 00:51:00,990
>> Would have done it anyway.

1549
00:51:00,990 --> 00:51:02,303
This would have a flat roof. I

1550
00:51:02,303 --> 00:51:03,470
voted for the 22. Just so.

1551
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:04,738
>> You have a picture.

1552
00:51:04,738 --> 00:51:05,805
>> It would be.

1553
00:51:05,805 --> 00:51:06,774
>> That is an interesting

1554
00:51:06,774 --> 00:51:07,940
argument. Okay.

1555
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:08,975
>> I mean, because you're

1556
00:51:08,975 --> 00:51:10,210
putting this you're squeezing

1557
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:12,780
this in between like two

1558
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:14,514
colonials probably. So it'd be

1559
00:51:14,514 --> 00:51:17,717
nice if it at least looked like

1560
00:51:17,717 --> 00:51:18,952
those.

1561
00:51:18,952 --> 00:51:20,220
>> Okay, any more discussion on

1562
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,620
amendment one to amendment

1563
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:24,924
three to cb 25.

1564
00:51:24,924 --> 00:51:27,930
>> Amendment one to amendment

1565
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:29,596
three. Correct. I, I, I don't

1566
00:51:29,596 --> 00:51:33,196
know, I think we still should

1567
00:51:34,334 --> 00:51:36,469
be. What about making it

1568
00:51:36,469 --> 00:51:40,730
1200ft!S? And you can have a

1569
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:43,730
basement. So that way if

1570
00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:45,512
somebody needs to have 1200ft!S,

1571
00:51:45,512 --> 00:51:46,913
single story and you can have a

1572
00:51:46,913 --> 00:51:49,913
basement, that way if somebody

1573
00:51:50,517 --> 00:51:52,352
wants their grandkid to sleep

1574
00:51:52,352 --> 00:51:53,820
downstairs or they need some

1575
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:54,988
extra space or whatever, then

1576
00:51:54,988 --> 00:51:58,588
they can have it down there.

1577
00:51:59,158 --> 00:51:59,859
But the 1200ft!S is, is the

1578
00:51:59,859 --> 00:52:01,294
that's the space.

1579
00:52:01,294 --> 00:52:01,594
>> That's not going to be more

1580
00:52:01,594 --> 00:52:03,429
affordable.

1581
00:52:03,429 --> 00:52:05,331
>> To go up than to go down.

1582
00:52:05,331 --> 00:52:05,498
>> Do you? Don't you, would you

1583
00:52:05,498 --> 00:52:07,133
say.

1584
00:52:07,133 --> 00:52:07,367
>> More affordable to build?

1585
00:52:07,367 --> 00:52:08,267
But not.

1586
00:52:08,267 --> 00:52:10,169
>> That's what.

1587
00:52:10,169 --> 00:52:11,371
>> I mean, not more valuable as

1588
00:52:11,371 --> 00:52:13,172
far as the price you're going

1589
00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:14,407
to pay. It would be you're

1590
00:52:14,407 --> 00:52:16,175
going to pay more for a second

1591
00:52:16,175 --> 00:52:16,509
floor with windows than you're

1592
00:52:16,509 --> 00:52:17,543
going to pay.

1593
00:52:17,543 --> 00:52:19,312
>> For basement. Right.

1594
00:52:19,312 --> 00:52:20,313
>> I think we don't know what

1595
00:52:20,313 --> 00:52:21,147
we're talking about.

1596
00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:22,348
>> I would.

1597
00:52:22,348 --> 00:52:23,482
>> I mean, look at any like

1598
00:52:23,482 --> 00:52:25,251
structured parking. The costs

1599
00:52:25,251 --> 00:52:26,485
are there when you have to go

1600
00:52:26,485 --> 00:52:28,187
down and build a foundation.

1601
00:52:28,187 --> 00:52:29,154
>> Know what I'm saying?

1602
00:52:29,154 --> 00:52:30,289
>> So for construction.

1603
00:52:30,289 --> 00:52:32,157
>> We've had conjecture on flat

1604
00:52:32,157 --> 00:52:33,292
roof and the willingness of the

1605
00:52:33,292 --> 00:52:35,527
private sector to build a flat

1606
00:52:35,527 --> 00:52:37,429
roof at 20ft versus 22. And,

1607
00:52:37,429 --> 00:52:38,731
and, and I mean, the, the law

1608
00:52:38,731 --> 00:52:40,933
is pretty strict in terms of

1609
00:52:40,933 --> 00:52:42,401
who is downstairs in the

1610
00:52:42,401 --> 00:52:44,360
basement. It's limited. Like

1611
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,710
we're going to build a whole

1612
00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:48,710
second story for someone to

1613
00:52:49,909 --> 00:52:51,176
visit us. Three days. I just.

1614
00:52:51,176 --> 00:52:53,780
>> I don't mind the concept of

1615
00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:54,980
a second story if it's a second

1616
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:56,480
unit, but I don't know that we

1617
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,483
have those types of

1618
00:52:57,483 --> 00:52:57,850
prescriptive guardrails written

1619
00:52:57,850 --> 00:52:59,184
into this.

1620
00:52:59,184 --> 00:53:00,352
>> I mean, I invite you to

1621
00:53:00,352 --> 00:53:01,754
drive through any older

1622
00:53:01,754 --> 00:53:04,154
neighborhood, like, for example,

1623
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:05,557
done Logan or Valley Mead and

1624
00:53:05,557 --> 00:53:07,459
see the ramps that are into

1625
00:53:07,459 --> 00:53:08,661
those homes just to get up the

1626
00:53:08,661 --> 00:53:10,396
one step. Like if we're going

1627
00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:13,396
to just start saying things,

1628
00:53:13,698 --> 00:53:16,980
you know, Conjecturally falling

1629
00:53:16,702 --> 00:53:17,936
is the number one. We can't.

1630
00:53:17,936 --> 00:53:19,471
The whole notion of this, I

1631
00:53:19,471 --> 00:53:20,906
thought, was to eliminate the

1632
00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:22,574
step that we are rolling into

1633
00:53:22,574 --> 00:53:24,476
our home, if need be, and

1634
00:53:24,476 --> 00:53:26,578
rolling around it, not rolling

1635
00:53:26,578 --> 00:53:29,882
down the stairs or up the

1636
00:53:29,882 --> 00:53:31,316
stairs like this. We like.

1637
00:53:31,316 --> 00:53:34,353
>> I thought the concept was to

1638
00:53:34,353 --> 00:53:36,753
make it affordable, affordable,

1639
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:37,423
and safe, but I thought, yeah,

1640
00:53:37,423 --> 00:53:38,490
affordable.

1641
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:40,258
>> Can I try to?

1642
00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:43,258
>> Okay, go ahead, MR. Yungmann.

1643
00:53:46,398 --> 00:53:49,968
>> So just where I am. I, I

1644
00:53:49,968 --> 00:53:51,803
could live with 1200ft!S if it

1645
00:53:51,803 --> 00:53:53,604
doesn't have a second story.

1646
00:53:53,604 --> 00:53:54,839
And that's like the, the total

1647
00:53:54,839 --> 00:53:56,475
square footage or whatever,

1648
00:53:56,475 --> 00:53:57,943
which means we would have to

1649
00:53:57,943 --> 00:53:59,411
rework this amendment to

1650
00:53:59,411 --> 00:54:01,613
amendment three. So it's not

1651
00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:05,213
like you can only have 900 or

1652
00:54:07,652 --> 00:54:10,520
1200. You can't have 950. Or

1653
00:54:10,188 --> 00:54:11,356
you could just move amendment

1654
00:54:11,356 --> 00:54:11,556
three and we make the whole

1655
00:54:11,556 --> 00:54:13,258
thing.

1656
00:54:13,258 --> 00:54:15,260
>> What's the procedure? How do

1657
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:16,427
I move it? What do I need? An

1658
00:54:16,427 --> 00:54:17,495
unmoving of two motions. Now.

1659
00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:19,197
>> Just to clarify that.

1660
00:54:19,197 --> 00:54:19,731
>> Yeah. Before us amendment

1661
00:54:19,731 --> 00:54:21,166
was Cristiano's amendment.

1662
00:54:21,166 --> 00:54:23,201
>> Did I misread yours?

1663
00:54:23,201 --> 00:54:24,435
>> Well, I just want. So if we

1664
00:54:24,435 --> 00:54:26,204
undo this and say we don't want

1665
00:54:26,204 --> 00:54:27,372
to take action, then we're

1666
00:54:27,372 --> 00:54:29,307
saying we want them to be multi

1667
00:54:29,307 --> 00:54:30,509
story. We don't want to put a

1668
00:54:30,509 --> 00:54:32,176
restriction for 1200ft!S for a

1669
00:54:32,176 --> 00:54:33,244
single story without a basement.

1670
00:54:33,244 --> 00:54:34,412
>> Well, we wouldn't we

1671
00:54:34,412 --> 00:54:35,346
wouldn't be at 1200. We'd be

1672
00:54:35,346 --> 00:54:37,346
back to nine.

1673
00:54:37,348 --> 00:54:38,249
>> We'd be at nine. But you can

1674
00:54:38,249 --> 00:54:39,384
still go up.

1675
00:54:39,384 --> 00:54:40,184
>> Yeah. You'd still be at

1676
00:54:40,184 --> 00:54:41,452
1800ft!S.

1677
00:54:41,452 --> 00:54:43,221
>> And from a land use policy

1678
00:54:43,221 --> 00:54:44,289
that's better in terms of

1679
00:54:44,289 --> 00:54:45,456
impervious surface. But as soon

1680
00:54:45,456 --> 00:54:47,191
as you're in a second story,

1681
00:54:47,191 --> 00:54:48,192
we're not talking about age

1682
00:54:48,192 --> 00:54:48,393
restricted and universal design.

1683
00:54:48,393 --> 00:54:50,261
>> No.

1684
00:54:50,261 --> 00:54:51,429
>> What if you. But we are

1685
00:54:51,429 --> 00:54:52,196
talking about age restriction.

1686
00:54:52,196 --> 00:54:52,663
>> Or affordability.

1687
00:54:52,663 --> 00:54:54,399
>> Not realistically.

1688
00:54:54,399 --> 00:54:55,900
>> What if you did total total

1689
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:58,300
footprint and total finished

1690
00:54:58,803 --> 00:55:00,400
square foot. So you could do

1691
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,400
you know, your total footprint

1692
00:55:03,408 --> 00:55:05,710
could be up to 900ft!S, but not

1693
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:09,310
900 plus 900. You had a cap of

1694
00:55:09,947 --> 00:55:12,500
like 1300ft!S in the total

1695
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,500
building. So then you could

1696
00:55:16,821 --> 00:55:18,188
build like seven and 7 or 6 and

1697
00:55:18,188 --> 00:55:20,791
6 or 1200 and zero, but you

1698
00:55:20,791 --> 00:55:22,693
couldn't build 900 plus 900.

1699
00:55:22,693 --> 00:55:24,461
>> And just to be clear, we're

1700
00:55:24,461 --> 00:55:26,463
talking 55 plus. So that covers

1701
00:55:26,463 --> 00:55:27,864
an entire range of mobility.

1702
00:55:27,864 --> 00:55:29,332
>> Oh yeah. I mean, 55.

1703
00:55:29,332 --> 00:55:30,467
>> So, you know, we want.

1704
00:55:30,467 --> 00:55:32,236
>> To be working and.

1705
00:55:32,236 --> 00:55:33,404
>> Stuff, but this is where

1706
00:55:33,404 --> 00:55:35,239
they're eating a place where we

1707
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,440
don't want them to move into a

1708
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,209
second like 75 plus, right?

1709
00:55:38,209 --> 00:55:38,542
That this is where we're having

1710
00:55:38,542 --> 00:55:39,543
them downsize.

1711
00:55:39,543 --> 00:55:41,212
>> Well, they. MAY sometimes

1712
00:55:41,212 --> 00:55:42,980
when you're 75, you don't,

1713
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:44,448
there MAY be medical things

1714
00:55:44,448 --> 00:55:46,830
that happen that you don't get

1715
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:47,617
to choose independent living.

1716
00:55:47,617 --> 00:55:49,186
You have a stroke, you have

1717
00:55:49,186 --> 00:55:50,921
other situations. So it's, it's

1718
00:55:50,921 --> 00:55:52,122
really old, older and oldest.

1719
00:55:52,122 --> 00:55:54,524
Ideally, you would be able to

1720
00:55:54,524 --> 00:55:56,860
live there until you don't. But

1721
00:55:56,860 --> 00:55:58,895
I think it would be unwise of

1722
00:55:58,895 --> 00:55:59,963
us to think that this is the

1723
00:55:59,963 --> 00:56:01,765
final destination for every

1724
00:56:01,765 --> 00:56:02,699
single person, and just not how

1725
00:56:02,699 --> 00:56:03,967
they're really used.

1726
00:56:03,967 --> 00:56:05,702
>> Office of law can't unwind

1727
00:56:05,702 --> 00:56:06,870
this until we vote on the

1728
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:08,138
amendment to my amendment. I

1729
00:56:08,138 --> 00:56:09,973
mean, I can't unwind it unless

1730
00:56:09,973 --> 00:56:11,740
I have votes to unwind it, but

1731
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:11,842
I can't even try that

1732
00:56:11,842 --> 00:56:13,343
procedural.

1733
00:56:13,343 --> 00:56:15,378
>> You know, tactic. Go ahead.

1734
00:56:15,378 --> 00:56:16,546
>> So right now, the, the I'd.

1735
00:56:16,546 --> 00:56:18,182
>> Actually like the last 20

1736
00:56:18,182 --> 00:56:18,515
minutes of my life back. Is

1737
00:56:18,515 --> 00:56:20,515
that possible?

1738
00:56:22,286 --> 00:56:23,821
>> No. Right. But amendment 1

1739
00:56:23,821 --> 00:56:25,255
to 3 is pending. Okay. It's

1740
00:56:25,255 --> 00:56:26,990
been moved and seconded. So the

1741
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:28,124
the person who moved and the

1742
00:56:28,124 --> 00:56:29,860
person would have to be, you

1743
00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:31,261
know, agreeable and then you

1744
00:56:31,261 --> 00:56:31,962
could unwind.

1745
00:56:31,962 --> 00:56:33,797
>> We can.

1746
00:56:33,797 --> 00:56:35,231
>> Yes. That's fine. I will

1747
00:56:35,231 --> 00:56:37,267
withdraw mine if everybody

1748
00:56:37,267 --> 00:56:37,701
wants to be able to up and does

1749
00:56:37,701 --> 00:56:39,369
not want to.

1750
00:56:39,369 --> 00:56:40,436
>> I was the second for

1751
00:56:40,436 --> 00:56:41,671
amendment one to amendment

1752
00:56:41,671 --> 00:56:43,339
three. I withdraw that as well.

1753
00:56:43,339 --> 00:56:43,540
Okay, so now we're back to.

1754
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:45,540
>> I.

1755
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:47,477
>> Move I withdraw my motion to

1756
00:56:47,477 --> 00:56:48,611
advance amendment three.

1757
00:56:48,611 --> 00:56:50,130
>> Okay. MISS Jung was the

1758
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:52,148
second, if I remember correctly.

1759
00:56:52,148 --> 00:56:52,782
>> And I withdraw the second.

1760
00:56:52,782 --> 00:56:54,684
>> Okay, perfect.

1761
00:56:54,684 --> 00:56:54,984
>> My apologies from the proxy.

1762
00:56:54,984 --> 00:56:56,486
Okay.

1763
00:56:56,486 --> 00:56:56,787
>> All right. Great discussion

1764
00:56:56,787 --> 00:56:58,787
everyone.

1765
00:57:01,157 --> 00:57:03,593
>> So so where we ended up are

1766
00:57:03,593 --> 00:57:04,827
just so we don't want to

1767
00:57:04,827 --> 00:57:05,828
contemplate any other

1768
00:57:05,828 --> 00:57:07,830
amendments as we go.

1769
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:08,300
>> We are we're back at two 900,

1770
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:09,432
right.

1771
00:57:09,432 --> 00:57:11,534
>> We ended up back at.

1772
00:57:11,534 --> 00:57:13,402
>> a townhouse, an expensive

1773
00:57:13,402 --> 00:57:15,402
900.

1774
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,941
>> You know, up, up to 1800ft!S

1775
00:57:18,941 --> 00:57:19,909
above grade, plus a 900 square

1776
00:57:19,909 --> 00:57:20,910
foot basement.

1777
00:57:20,910 --> 00:57:22,440
>> We've also closed.

1778
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,440
>> Out the opportunities for us

1779
00:57:25,949 --> 00:57:27,820
to make those changes.

1780
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:28,885
>> What do you mean?

1781
00:57:28,885 --> 00:57:29,952
>> We have no vehicle? We

1782
00:57:29,952 --> 00:57:30,686
withdrew the vehicle. We have

1783
00:57:30,686 --> 00:57:31,421
no vehicle.

1784
00:57:31,421 --> 00:57:33,821
>> We can do it.

1785
00:57:33,956 --> 00:57:34,290
>> She can remove her amendment.

1786
00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:36,125
>> Okay.

1787
00:57:36,125 --> 00:57:37,326
>> Are we going to amend one of

1788
00:57:37,326 --> 00:57:39,280
the other amendments? I'm just

1789
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,129
again, I'm not trying to be

1790
00:57:40,129 --> 00:57:41,964
difficult, but I think the

1791
00:57:41,964 --> 00:57:43,366
sites are going to be different

1792
00:57:43,366 --> 00:57:46,366
where some sites you're going

1793
00:57:46,969 --> 00:57:49,472
to want to build 1100ft!S all in

1794
00:57:49,472 --> 00:57:50,806
one level, like

1795
00:57:50,806 --> 00:57:52,641
>> What we kind of pictured

1796
00:57:52,641 --> 00:57:54,443
some sites you say I can get a

1797
00:57:54,443 --> 00:57:57,790
nice living room, kitchen and

1798
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:59,480
bedroom on one level, but I'm

1799
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,316
going to build a half of a

1800
00:58:00,316 --> 00:58:02,384
upstairs so the building looks

1801
00:58:02,384 --> 00:58:03,452
cool and doesn't look like a

1802
00:58:03,452 --> 00:58:07,520
box. And they have a second

1803
00:58:07,423 --> 00:58:09,570
bedroom upstairs and it's 800

1804
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:10,292
downstairs and hundred upstairs

1805
00:58:10,292 --> 00:58:12,692
or something like that.

1806
00:58:13,228 --> 00:58:16,131
>> So do you want to make move

1807
00:58:16,131 --> 00:58:18,968
an amendment to the. So we were

1808
00:58:18,968 --> 00:58:20,268
on amendment two. You could

1809
00:58:20,268 --> 00:58:21,470
move amendment.

1810
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:22,971
>> Amendment two is already.

1811
00:58:22,971 --> 00:58:25,400
>> Passed, right. I know we

1812
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,775
finished amendment two and the

1813
00:58:26,775 --> 00:58:28,944
original amendment three was

1814
00:58:28,944 --> 00:58:31,513
withdrawn. You could make a new

1815
00:58:31,513 --> 00:58:34,513
amendment three from the dais

1816
00:58:35,451 --> 00:58:36,718
here for your idea to.

1817
00:58:36,718 --> 00:58:37,586
>> We would need four for that,

1818
00:58:37,586 --> 00:58:38,454
right? I mean.

1819
00:58:38,454 --> 00:58:39,788
>> Yeah.

1820
00:58:39,788 --> 00:58:41,556
>> For a new amendment we would

1821
00:58:41,556 --> 00:58:42,591
need four. But we could amend

1822
00:58:42,591 --> 00:58:44,526
an amendment that's already

1823
00:58:44,526 --> 00:58:45,594
here and try to put it on one

1824
00:58:45,594 --> 00:58:46,962
of these others. But we

1825
00:58:46,962 --> 00:58:48,300
couldn't we couldn't.

1826
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:49,431
>> Or you guys could withdraw.

1827
00:58:49,431 --> 00:58:50,131
Withdraw passage of amendment

1828
00:58:50,131 --> 00:58:51,533
two.

1829
00:58:51,533 --> 00:58:53,435
>> Yeah. Because I think the

1830
00:58:53,435 --> 00:58:55,170
problem with pulling amendment

1831
00:58:55,170 --> 00:58:57,772
two is that they'll still

1832
00:58:57,772 --> 00:58:58,974
figure out a way to build

1833
00:58:58,974 --> 00:59:00,342
1800ft!S with a flat roof.

1834
00:59:00,342 --> 00:59:02,477
>> Look at amendment number

1835
00:59:02,477 --> 00:59:03,845
five saying a style guide or a

1836
00:59:03,845 --> 00:59:05,314
pattern book that would that

1837
00:59:05,314 --> 00:59:05,647
would address that kind of

1838
00:59:05,647 --> 00:59:07,647
thing.

1839
00:59:08,183 --> 00:59:09,818
>> But I don't think a style

1840
00:59:09,818 --> 00:59:11,152
guide or a pattern book is the

1841
00:59:11,152 --> 00:59:12,186
right answer here. I think it's

1842
00:59:12,186 --> 00:59:14,210
preapproved build plans, and I

1843
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:15,690
don't think that the developer.

1844
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:17,158
I wouldn't want a developer to

1845
00:59:17,158 --> 00:59:18,326
suggest preapproved build plans.

1846
00:59:18,326 --> 00:59:20,795
>> And I don't trust the

1847
00:59:20,795 --> 00:59:22,230
planning board or you, I, I

1848
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:23,531
mean, even if you had stuff

1849
00:59:23,531 --> 00:59:25,467
available to the community,

1850
00:59:25,467 --> 00:59:27,201
they don't have any like

1851
00:59:27,201 --> 00:59:28,669
authority to make sure it

1852
00:59:28,669 --> 00:59:29,304
doesn't pass. They're going to

1853
00:59:29,304 --> 00:59:31,304
have opinion.

1854
00:59:31,305 --> 00:59:32,607
>> So do you want is it time

1855
00:59:32,607 --> 00:59:33,341
for me to move amendment five?

1856
00:59:33,341 --> 00:59:33,742
>> No.

1857
00:59:33,742 --> 00:59:35,510
>> Okay.

1858
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:37,311
>> Well, sure. I mean, any, any

1859
00:59:37,311 --> 00:59:40,148
amendment that is on the agenda

1860
00:59:40,148 --> 00:59:41,348
can be moved if you want to

1861
00:59:41,348 --> 00:59:42,384
jump to five. Sure. We'll be

1862
00:59:42,384 --> 00:59:44,352
skipping four. But if that's

1863
00:59:44,352 --> 00:59:45,953
what you wish to do, we can.

1864
00:59:45,953 --> 00:59:47,355
There's nothing wrong with that.

1865
00:59:47,355 --> 00:59:48,556
Is that true or you have to go

1866
00:59:48,556 --> 00:59:50,158
in order.

1867
00:59:50,158 --> 00:59:51,726
>> Well, I'm not going to move

1868
00:59:51,726 --> 00:59:53,127
forward because one okay. One.

1869
00:59:53,127 --> 00:59:54,562
>> Oh, gotcha. Okay. So there

1870
00:59:54,562 --> 00:59:56,397
you go. Go ahead.

1871
00:59:56,397 --> 00:59:58,199
>> And we have removed we have

1872
00:59:58,199 --> 00:59:59,667
withdrawn collectively three

1873
00:59:59,667 --> 01:00:01,690
three and its amendment.

1874
01:00:01,690 --> 01:00:04,690
>> Okay. Go ahead, MR. Cook.

1875
01:00:06,908 --> 01:00:10,508
>> So. If you land somewhere in

1876
01:00:10,845 --> 01:00:15,450
terms of what you want to do,

1877
01:00:15,149 --> 01:00:18,520
you could move again. Three and

1878
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,452
then start amending. Three

1879
01:00:21,355 --> 01:00:24,355
differently from how I guess

1880
01:00:24,825 --> 01:00:26,727
one proposed to amend three. So

1881
01:00:26,727 --> 01:00:28,290
amendment 2 to 3.

1882
01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:29,300
>> That's what I've been.

1883
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,300
>> Saying, right?

1884
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,466
>> Yeah. The vehicle.

1885
01:00:32,466 --> 01:00:34,101
>> Of like, there's a lot of

1886
01:00:34,101 --> 01:00:34,302
different ways you could do it.

1887
01:00:34,302 --> 01:00:36,360
Okay.

1888
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,390
>> All right. That makes sense.

1889
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:38,238
>> So do you want to move it

1890
01:00:38,238 --> 01:00:40,107
again?

1891
01:00:40,107 --> 01:00:41,241
>> I don't know, I don't I mean,

1892
01:00:41,241 --> 01:00:43,900
someone else can, but I don't

1893
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:44,144
hear the solution. Right? That

1894
01:00:44,144 --> 01:00:46,120
was that 20 minutes. I don't

1895
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,247
hear like I don't hear the

1896
01:00:47,247 --> 01:00:48,482
solution. And so all we have is

1897
01:00:48,482 --> 01:00:50,500
the lowest common denominator,

1898
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,118
which is you're right. The

1899
01:00:51,118 --> 01:00:53,200
first project that comes in is

1900
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,321
going to be a two story,

1901
01:00:54,321 --> 01:00:56,230
whatever that square footage is

1902
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:58,326
with a flat roof. If that's the

1903
01:00:58,326 --> 01:00:59,360
only way that you can actually

1904
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,629
shelter that kind of

1905
01:01:01,629 --> 01:01:04,629
construction. But no, I'm not,

1906
01:01:05,299 --> 01:01:06,933
I am not, as I said, when, when

1907
01:01:06,933 --> 01:01:08,435
we were discussing it in that

1908
01:01:08,435 --> 01:01:10,271
20 or so minutes, I'm not

1909
01:01:10,271 --> 01:01:13,271
interested in building or in

1910
01:01:13,406 --> 01:01:14,875
any way enabling multi-story

1911
01:01:14,875 --> 01:01:16,676
housing in this so-called

1912
01:01:16,676 --> 01:01:18,780
cottage cluster legislation.

1913
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:19,479
That was never my intent.

1914
01:01:19,479 --> 01:01:22,415
>> Why are we all opposed.

1915
01:01:22,415 --> 01:01:23,850
>> To doing single story with a

1916
01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:25,786
square footage limit and

1917
01:01:25,786 --> 01:01:26,820
banning the basements? Why is

1918
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:28,889
there opposition to this?

1919
01:01:28,889 --> 01:01:32,159
>> So you could go back to her

1920
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,694
exhibit three of 1200. Only we

1921
01:01:34,694 --> 01:01:36,929
could we could amend this

1922
01:01:36,929 --> 01:01:38,640
exhibit three and say it's 1200,

1923
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:38,832
but only on one level.

1924
01:01:38,832 --> 01:01:40,000
>> Okay.

1925
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,902
>> But that's what amendment

1926
01:01:41,902 --> 01:01:43,136
one to amendment three was.

1927
01:01:43,136 --> 01:01:45,772
>> But but no, it didn't tell

1928
01:01:45,772 --> 01:01:46,572
you what happened between 900

1929
01:01:46,572 --> 01:01:47,641
and 1200.

1930
01:01:47,641 --> 01:01:48,875
>> All you have to.

1931
01:01:48,875 --> 01:01:50,644
>> Do is change what's in.

1932
01:01:50,644 --> 01:01:51,844
>> Yeah, that's what I was

1933
01:01:51,844 --> 01:01:53,780
saying. I was saying that we

1934
01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:54,781
could do a 1200 or less or, or

1935
01:01:54,781 --> 01:01:55,749
something like that.

1936
01:01:55,749 --> 01:01:57,584
>> Or if we're.

1937
01:01:57,584 --> 01:01:57,917
>> Committed to 1200, go ahead.

1938
01:01:57,917 --> 01:01:59,586
No. Go ahead.

1939
01:01:59,586 --> 01:02:00,587
>> No, I'm popping off.

1940
01:02:00,587 --> 01:02:01,721
>> No go ahead.

1941
01:02:01,721 --> 01:02:03,690
>> But it's just if we.

1942
01:02:03,690 --> 01:02:04,858
>> If we want them to all be

1943
01:02:04,858 --> 01:02:06,559
single stories, then it doesn't

1944
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:07,627
really matter. And we say

1945
01:02:07,627 --> 01:02:08,728
single story and ban the

1946
01:02:08,728 --> 01:02:09,562
basement and move forward.

1947
01:02:09,562 --> 01:02:10,730
>> You can.

1948
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:11,731
>> Do that. I'm for that.

1949
01:02:11,731 --> 01:02:12,865
>> Okay. Yes.

1950
01:02:12,865 --> 01:02:15,702
>> Perfect. All right. So we

1951
01:02:15,702 --> 01:02:17,570
can we can do that in amendment

1952
01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:18,871
three is on the agenda. We can

1953
01:02:18,871 --> 01:02:20,874
move. We could do it there or

1954
01:02:20,874 --> 01:02:21,140
we could do it in a future

1955
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:23,140
amendment.

1956
01:02:23,676 --> 01:02:25,780
>> Okay. But I'm sorry, did we

1957
01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:26,179
did somebody move MISS Walsh's

1958
01:02:26,179 --> 01:02:28,800
amendment or are we still

1959
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,820
waiting on that to be moved? So

1960
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:30,216
we have a vehicle.

1961
01:02:30,216 --> 01:02:31,150
>> Well, that was already

1962
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:32,251
withdrawn amendment. So we

1963
01:02:32,251 --> 01:02:33,286
passed amendment one. We passed

1964
01:02:33,286 --> 01:02:35,880
amendment two. Now we can

1965
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:36,289
either move on to amendment

1966
01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:37,357
five, or we could start right

1967
01:02:37,357 --> 01:02:39,158
with amendment three, and then

1968
01:02:39,158 --> 01:02:40,393
start that all over again. And

1969
01:02:40,393 --> 01:02:41,627
MISS Walsh will have another 20

1970
01:02:41,627 --> 01:02:43,462
minutes to no.

1971
01:02:43,462 --> 01:02:45,598
>> Or if we have a consensus,

1972
01:02:45,598 --> 01:02:46,499
four of us can just move a new

1973
01:02:46,499 --> 01:02:48,234
amendment as a late file.

1974
01:02:48,234 --> 01:02:49,369
>> Well, I'm gonna say if.

1975
01:02:49,369 --> 01:02:52,710
>> You take amendment one to.

1976
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:55,671
We'll just. Yes. Okay. I move

1977
01:02:55,675 --> 01:02:57,109
amendment.

1978
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:58,578
>> Nine nine.

1979
01:02:58,578 --> 01:03:00,578
>> And amendment nine.

1980
01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:02,848
>> Do we do we have to move to

1981
01:03:02,848 --> 01:03:03,816
allow for the late file first?

1982
01:03:03,816 --> 01:03:05,718
>> Yeah. That's okay. We could

1983
01:03:05,718 --> 01:03:07,954
do that. So so this this is the

1984
01:03:07,954 --> 01:03:10,890
process. Everyone we want to we

1985
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:11,823
we have four. It seems we have

1986
01:03:11,823 --> 01:03:13,993
four. For a brand new amendment.

1987
01:03:13,993 --> 01:03:15,461
We first have to if my

1988
01:03:15,461 --> 01:03:17,861
recollection is correct, move

1989
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:19,731
to allow for the late filing of

1990
01:03:19,731 --> 01:03:22,268
ignoring a rule or something

1991
01:03:22,268 --> 01:03:23,736
like that. 1.05 b three I'm

1992
01:03:23,736 --> 01:03:24,804
making up numbers, but

1993
01:03:24,804 --> 01:03:26,804
something like that.

1994
01:03:27,339 --> 01:03:29,608
>> You four members can allow

1995
01:03:29,608 --> 01:03:31,376
for a late filed amendment. So

1996
01:03:31,376 --> 01:03:33,178
this would be amendment nine.

1997
01:03:33,178 --> 01:03:35,281
The motion be moved to allow

1998
01:03:35,281 --> 01:03:36,749
the late filing of amendment

1999
01:03:36,749 --> 01:03:37,783
nine. Go ahead and then you'll

2000
01:03:37,783 --> 01:03:38,817
have to figure out what

2001
01:03:38,817 --> 01:03:40,619
amendment nine actually.

2002
01:03:40,619 --> 01:03:40,986
>> It's okay. I've got I've got

2003
01:03:40,986 --> 01:03:41,721
amendment nine.

2004
01:03:41,721 --> 01:03:43,721
>> So okay.

2005
01:03:43,755 --> 01:03:44,957
>> Go for it. I move to approve

2006
01:03:44,957 --> 01:03:48,557
the late file of amendment nine.

2007
01:03:49,661 --> 01:03:51,797
>> Second, MISS Amendment. The

2008
01:03:51,797 --> 01:03:52,964
motion to allow the late filing

2009
01:03:52,964 --> 01:03:54,366
of amendment nine has been

2010
01:03:54,366 --> 01:03:57,235
moved and seconded. Is there

2011
01:03:57,235 --> 01:03:59,370
discussion on that or. Yeah.

2012
01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:00,339
Any discussion? I can't

2013
01:04:00,339 --> 01:04:02,307
remember if we just go straight

2014
01:04:02,307 --> 01:04:03,441
to the vote. I say we just go

2015
01:04:03,441 --> 01:04:05,310
straight to the vote. But any

2016
01:04:05,310 --> 01:04:06,444
discussion? I have to allow it.

2017
01:04:06,444 --> 01:04:07,612
MISS Harry, could you please

2018
01:04:07,612 --> 01:04:08,513
call the vote chair? Jones yes.

2019
01:04:08,513 --> 01:04:09,314
>> MISS Young.

2020
01:04:09,314 --> 01:04:10,148
>> Yes.

2021
01:04:10,148 --> 01:04:10,883
>> MISS Rigby,

2022
01:04:10,883 --> 01:04:12,883
>> Yes.

2023
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:14,119
>> MISS Walsh, yes. MR.

2024
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,119
Yungmann. Yes.

2025
01:04:16,121 --> 01:04:18,489
>> Okay. The motion to approve

2026
01:04:18,489 --> 01:04:19,825
the late file of amendment nine

2027
01:04:19,825 --> 01:04:20,926
passes. Now let's figure out

2028
01:04:20,926 --> 01:04:21,860
what amendment nine is. MISS

2029
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:23,860
Rigby.

2030
01:04:24,562 --> 01:04:27,980
>> Thank you. I move amendment

2031
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:30,702
that on page two in line two

2032
01:04:30,702 --> 01:04:33,102
immediately after feet, insert

2033
01:04:34,673 --> 01:04:38,276
an Em dash so that it reads 900

2034
01:04:38,276 --> 01:04:39,678
dash 1200ft!S only when the

2035
01:04:39,678 --> 01:04:41,113
cottage cluster dwelling is a

2036
01:04:41,113 --> 01:04:43,682
single story dwelling and does

2037
01:04:43,682 --> 01:04:46,820
not include a basement.

2038
01:04:46,918 --> 01:04:48,520
>> Second.

2039
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:49,921
>> Colleagues, does that get us

2040
01:04:49,921 --> 01:04:50,122
there? And what language do we

2041
01:04:50,122 --> 01:04:51,156
need?

2042
01:04:51,156 --> 01:04:52,890
>> Okay. Can you can you.

2043
01:04:52,890 --> 01:04:53,924
>> Go over?

2044
01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:55,590
>> So basically the wording was

2045
01:04:55,590 --> 01:04:56,160
look, just like the wording

2046
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,261
looked just like amendment one

2047
01:04:57,261 --> 01:04:59,865
to amendment three from before.

2048
01:04:59,865 --> 01:05:02,933
It is now amendment nine. And

2049
01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:03,734
there's an Em dash between 900

2050
01:05:03,734 --> 01:05:03,968
and 1200.

2051
01:05:03,968 --> 01:05:05,300
>> Okay.

2052
01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:06,838
>> I think actually.

2053
01:05:06,838 --> 01:05:07,738
>> I think all the other words

2054
01:05:07,738 --> 01:05:08,973
are pretty much.

2055
01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:10,741
>> Then if you were at like

2056
01:05:10,741 --> 01:05:11,843
eight, nine, nine, you could

2057
01:05:11,843 --> 01:05:13,311
still you'd still you're still

2058
01:05:13,311 --> 01:05:14,879
getting 1800ft!S. I thought we

2059
01:05:14,879 --> 01:05:16,460
were going down the road of

2060
01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:17,816
they just have to be single

2061
01:05:17,816 --> 01:05:18,917
story, that is. Oh, okay.

2062
01:05:18,917 --> 01:05:20,818
>> Got it. So but.

2063
01:05:20,818 --> 01:05:22,887
>> And also we also have to

2064
01:05:22,887 --> 01:05:25,423
strike less right before I

2065
01:05:25,423 --> 01:05:27,224
believe. But I would ask for an

2066
01:05:27,224 --> 01:05:29,360
assist from MISS Mitchell and

2067
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,360
MR. Cook.

2068
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:36,465
>> And drafters and everybody.

2069
01:05:36,967 --> 01:05:39,700
>> That grouping at least.

2070
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,340
>> Yes. So let's go ahead and

2071
01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:45,940
take it is 811. Let's come back

2072
01:05:46,777 --> 01:05:49,713
at 820 something. No, no, no

2073
01:05:49,713 --> 01:05:50,814
later than like 825 and figure

2074
01:05:50,814 --> 01:05:52,309
this out before us is amendment

2075
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:55,579
right. I'm ready when you are.

2076
01:05:55,579 --> 01:05:57,579
>> Yeah.

2077
01:06:01,317 --> 01:06:03,317
>> Yay.

2078
01:06:04,922 --> 01:06:08,522
>> Okay. We are back in session.

2079
01:06:08,525 --> 01:06:10,693
And before us is amendment nine

2080
01:06:10,693 --> 01:06:13,693
which has been moved and

2081
01:06:14,698 --> 01:06:15,832
seconded. We got the wording.

2082
01:06:15,832 --> 01:06:17,868
So for everyone we'll read it

2083
01:06:17,868 --> 01:06:20,268
now. Let's make sure.

2084
01:06:20,436 --> 01:06:21,605
>> So this really goes to

2085
01:06:21,605 --> 01:06:23,707
redefining the definition and

2086
01:06:23,707 --> 01:06:25,809
makes it quite clear that it is

2087
01:06:25,809 --> 01:06:27,277
a grouping, including a common

2088
01:06:27,277 --> 01:06:29,790
courtyard of at least four

2089
01:06:29,790 --> 01:06:30,581
single storey detached dwelling

2090
01:06:30,581 --> 01:06:33,450
units that have a footprint of

2091
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:36,220
no more than 1200ft!S and does

2092
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:38,550
not include a basement.

2093
01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:40,550
>> Awesome. Any final

2094
01:06:40,223 --> 01:06:41,992
discussion or. Well, it's a new

2095
01:06:41,992 --> 01:06:44,392
amendment. So any discussion?

2096
01:06:45,262 --> 01:06:46,997
>> Yes. I just want to say that

2097
01:06:46,997 --> 01:06:49,565
I think the five of us did a

2098
01:06:49,565 --> 01:06:51,368
great job of pulling this

2099
01:06:51,368 --> 01:06:52,803
together and coming up with

2100
01:06:52,803 --> 01:06:55,339
something that we all agree on.

2101
01:06:55,339 --> 01:06:57,507
So thank you, colleagues, for

2102
01:06:57,507 --> 01:06:59,675
your good work and your

2103
01:06:59,675 --> 01:07:00,744
thoughtful comments.

2104
01:07:00,744 --> 01:07:02,120
>> All right.

2105
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,746
>> Is it true that there's an

2106
01:07:03,746 --> 01:07:05,480
amendment to this amendment or

2107
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,850
that was for something? Okay,

2108
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:08,352
okay. Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. All

2109
01:07:08,352 --> 01:07:09,186
right. MISS Harry, could you

2110
01:07:09,186 --> 01:07:11,154
please call the vote on

2111
01:07:11,154 --> 01:07:11,889
amendment nine to cb 25?

2112
01:07:11,889 --> 01:07:12,990
>> Chair Jones.

2113
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:14,570
>> Yes.

2114
01:07:14,570 --> 01:07:14,290
>> MISS Young.

2115
01:07:14,290 --> 01:07:16,290
>> Yes.

2116
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,270
>> MISS Rigby yes, MISS Walsh.

2117
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:19,829
>> Well done. Yes.

2118
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:21,565
>> MR. Yungmann yes.

2119
01:07:21,565 --> 01:07:24,565
>> All right. The motion to

2120
01:07:25,202 --> 01:07:27,771
approve amendment nine to cb

2121
01:07:27,771 --> 01:07:28,104
2543 minutes later passes.

2122
01:07:28,104 --> 01:07:29,773
>> Yes.

2123
01:07:29,773 --> 01:07:30,774
>> That's how it works. That's

2124
01:07:30,774 --> 01:07:32,420
how the process works.

2125
01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:33,760
>> I move to approve amendment

2126
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,760
number five to Council. Bill

2127
01:07:43,186 --> 01:07:45,220
number 25, 2026.

2128
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:46,823
>> Is there a second to the

2129
01:07:46,823 --> 01:07:49,223
motion to approve amendment

2130
01:07:52,229 --> 01:07:54,310
five? Amendment five to cb 25

2131
01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:54,398
fails due to the lack of a

2132
01:07:54,398 --> 01:07:55,566
second.

2133
01:07:55,566 --> 01:07:57,266
>> Okay, I'm going to skip

2134
01:07:57,266 --> 01:07:58,535
amendment number six and move

2135
01:07:58,535 --> 01:07:59,736
right to amendment seven. All

2136
01:07:59,736 --> 01:08:02,136
of these amendments forwarded

2137
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,175
by office were the the result

2138
01:08:05,175 --> 01:08:06,976
of public hearing testimony,

2139
01:08:06,976 --> 01:08:09,513
largely, and or emails that

2140
01:08:09,513 --> 01:08:10,680
succeeded that. But I move

2141
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,483
amendment seven to Council bill

2142
01:08:13,483 --> 01:08:14,184
number 25 2026.

2143
01:08:14,184 --> 01:08:15,619
>> Second.

2144
01:08:15,619 --> 01:08:17,530
>> This amendment requires

2145
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:19,256
cottage cluster age restricted

2146
01:08:19,256 --> 01:08:20,456
adult housing to utilize or

2147
01:08:20,456 --> 01:08:21,758
that are utilizing the optional

2148
01:08:21,758 --> 01:08:22,993
design project to incorporate

2149
01:08:22,993 --> 01:08:24,261
the most recent universal

2150
01:08:24,261 --> 01:08:25,280
design features from the

2151
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,163
Department of Planning and

2152
01:08:27,163 --> 01:08:28,565
Zoning. And so that's the most

2153
01:08:28,565 --> 01:08:31,101
recent, is the phrasing that

2154
01:08:31,101 --> 01:08:33,637
we've added by virtue of

2155
01:08:33,637 --> 01:08:35,439
amendment number seven.

2156
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,974
>> Okay. Amendment seven to cb

2157
01:08:36,974 --> 01:08:38,909
25 has been moved and seconded.

2158
01:08:38,909 --> 01:08:40,444
Any discussion? Can I ask a

2159
01:08:40,444 --> 01:08:42,444
question? Go ahead.

2160
01:08:46,249 --> 01:08:48,752
>> What if, what if. What if

2161
01:08:48,752 --> 01:08:51,288
the code changes while the

2162
01:08:51,288 --> 01:08:53,790
process is. While the the

2163
01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:55,125
project's already in process?

2164
01:08:55,125 --> 01:08:57,930
>> I mean, I think that happens

2165
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:59,162
all the time with with dps and

2166
01:08:59,162 --> 01:08:59,363
they make some. Yeah, I would

2167
01:08:59,363 --> 01:09:01,163
need.

2168
01:09:01,163 --> 01:09:02,799
>> I mean, would. It would you

2169
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:03,799
still have that regular

2170
01:09:03,799 --> 01:09:05,301
grandfathering in? Like they

2171
01:09:05,301 --> 01:09:07,104
didn't have to go and redesign

2172
01:09:07,104 --> 01:09:08,238
their project again?

2173
01:09:08,238 --> 01:09:09,640
>> So, you know, how we

2174
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:10,707
currently interpret is we have

2175
01:09:10,707 --> 01:09:11,742
grandfathering provisions

2176
01:09:11,742 --> 01:09:14,411
depending on what phase of the

2177
01:09:14,411 --> 01:09:16,480
plan that it's in. So that

2178
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,715
would be based on, on that.

2179
01:09:18,715 --> 01:09:19,882
>> So as long as, as, as when

2180
01:09:19,882 --> 01:09:21,952
it comes in, it's using the

2181
01:09:21,952 --> 01:09:22,953
most recent or before it gets

2182
01:09:22,953 --> 01:09:24,540
to that threshold.

2183
01:09:24,540 --> 01:09:25,289
>> Correct? Yeah. They would

2184
01:09:25,289 --> 01:09:26,156
have to be grandfathered under

2185
01:09:26,156 --> 01:09:27,157
our grandfathering provisions,

2186
01:09:27,157 --> 01:09:28,959
just similar to what we did

2187
01:09:28,959 --> 01:09:29,426
with the landscape manual that

2188
01:09:29,426 --> 01:09:30,600
was just updated.

2189
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,600
>> Okay.

2190
01:09:33,397 --> 01:09:35,397
>> Thank you.

2191
01:09:36,633 --> 01:09:37,701
>> Okay.

2192
01:09:37,701 --> 01:09:39,701
>> Yeah.

2193
01:09:40,938 --> 01:09:42,938
>> Okay. Amendment seven.

2194
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:44,274
>> Okay.

2195
01:09:44,274 --> 01:09:45,609
>> What are we doing?

2196
01:09:45,609 --> 01:09:46,210
>> Yes, yes. Amendment seven is

2197
01:09:46,210 --> 01:09:47,778
before us.

2198
01:09:47,778 --> 01:09:48,845
>> Let's vote it, baby.

2199
01:09:48,845 --> 01:09:51,245
>> Okay. Any other discussion

2200
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:56,149
on amendment seven to cb 25?

2201
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,230
And just to just to clarify,

2202
01:10:00,230 --> 01:10:03,623
you are saying the most recent

2203
01:10:03,626 --> 01:10:05,161
is the on two places. I do

2204
01:10:05,161 --> 01:10:06,930
apologize for some reason my

2205
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:09,660
book is missing page ten and 11.

2206
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:10,834
And it wasn't earlier that

2207
01:10:10,834 --> 01:10:12,602
break did someone take my. Page

2208
01:10:12,602 --> 01:10:13,703
1011. I had it earlier.

2209
01:10:13,703 --> 01:10:15,605
>> I took it just.

2210
01:10:15,605 --> 01:10:15,938
>> You took it just a minute.

2211
01:10:15,938 --> 01:10:17,741
Okay. I don't.

2212
01:10:17,741 --> 01:10:19,610
>> See it, I really didn't.

2213
01:10:19,610 --> 01:10:23,210
>> Yeah, I'll give me a second.

2214
01:10:23,446 --> 01:10:23,780
>> Yeah. Okay. And do we have.

2215
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:25,780
>> I didn't.

2216
01:10:26,849 --> 01:10:28,684
>> Want to. I didn't confuse.

2217
01:10:28,684 --> 01:10:31,320
>> So I figured I figured I'd

2218
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,320
hold it.

2219
01:10:34,257 --> 01:10:35,825
>> Somebody use it.

2220
01:10:35,825 --> 01:10:37,594
>> I'm going to give you.

2221
01:10:37,594 --> 01:10:39,229
>> Ten or Isaiah.

2222
01:10:39,229 --> 01:10:42,829
>> I give you an extra one.

2223
01:10:48,772 --> 01:10:50,730
>> Yeah. 1119 and 24. Would be

2224
01:10:50,730 --> 01:10:51,474
the most recent.

2225
01:10:51,474 --> 01:10:53,743
>> Okay. All right. Sorry about

2226
01:10:53,743 --> 01:10:55,913
that. Okay. Amendment seven is

2227
01:10:55,913 --> 01:10:59,416
before us to cb 25, please call

2228
01:10:59,416 --> 01:11:00,483
the vote chair. Jones yes,

2229
01:11:00,483 --> 01:11:01,183
>> MISS Young.

2230
01:11:01,183 --> 01:11:03,183
>> Yes.

2231
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:06,256
>> MISS Rigby yes. MISS Walsh

2232
01:11:06,256 --> 01:11:06,657
yes. MR. Yungmann.

2233
01:11:06,657 --> 01:11:08,258
>> Yes.

2234
01:11:08,258 --> 01:11:10,927
>> Okay. The motion to approve

2235
01:11:10,927 --> 01:11:12,729
amendment seven to cb 25 passes.

2236
01:11:12,729 --> 01:11:14,197
>> Okay. I move to approve

2237
01:11:14,197 --> 01:11:16,597
amendment number eight to

2238
01:11:17,768 --> 01:11:19,569
Council. Bill number 25, 2026.

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And then I'm passing down an

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amendment to that amendment,

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and I'll describe it.

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>> Picture that we need a

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second.

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>> Oh, before I even describe

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it. Okay.

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>> Is there a second for

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amendment eight to cb 25? Is

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there a second? Okay. Amendment

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eight fails for the lack of a

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second. All right. Amendment

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nine is done. No new amendments.

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We are back to the main motion

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of cb 25, as amended. Any final

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discussion? Okay. MISS Harris,

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could you please call the vote

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chair? Jones yes,

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>> MISS Young.

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>> Yes.

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>> MISS Rigby yes, MISS Walsh.

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>> I'm sorry. What are we

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voting on?

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>> cb 25.

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>> Okay. Right. Okay. So that

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last amendment that I couldn't

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get a second on related to the

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affordability requirement, and

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as is this new cottage cluster

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development has none. And it

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requires it so long as you

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provide a whole host of

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additional public amenities.

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That is noted by one of our our

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notable followers includes all

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kinds of things that do not

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denote affordability, like

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pools and pool houses. And it's

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not an exhaustive list, but

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rather a demonstrative list. So

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the point of amendment number

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eight was to actually just

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require affordability here in a

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place where we're increasing

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dramatically affordability. I

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think we have done good by some

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of the earlier amendments to

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actually build in affordability,

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but this would have been that

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second last step. I am

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encouraged by the map that we

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saw tonight versus the one that

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was presented in the technical

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staff report that made it look

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like all of district one and a

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lot of other places that are

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already suffering from infill

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development done bad, and the

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lack of actual planning and or

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zoning that makes sense for

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people who live here or want to

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live here. So I think this is a

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good place to start. I think we

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could have done better by

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actually requiring

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affordability. But but we can

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see what happens as this builds

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in. So my vote is. Yes.

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>> MR. Yungmann.

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. The motion to approve

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cb 25, as amended, passes.

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>> Council Bill 31, 2026,

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introduced by Christiana Rigby,

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smart strategic Moratorium for

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assessing Responsible

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Technology Siting Act.

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>> I move amendment one to cb

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to move the bill. I mean, I

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move the bill, I move cb 31

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2026.

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>> To approve it. Yes, to

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approve it I second.

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>> Okay, I also move

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amendment one second. So

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what amendment does this

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was addressed by I think,

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MISS Lopresti, but it

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addresses the issue of red

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lines for previously

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approved plans. So that way if

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someone needed to make changes

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to their existing building,

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that they would be able to. So

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this is more to allow for those

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changes for existing and still

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prohibit the new.

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>> Okay. Amendment one to cb 31

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has been moved and seconded.

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Any discussion, MISS Welsh?

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>> We have now moved on to the

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data center. Pause. Right. Yes.

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And this amendment number one,

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that the sponsor of that data

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center pause has has put

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forward says that to the extent

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there are ongoing projects in.

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>> Or like.

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>> It's previously approved. So

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if you have a previously

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approved development plan, so

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like you exist now you've been

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operating, you want to upgrade

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your, I think she said chiller

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that this would allow you to do

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that.

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>> That existing data

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processing processing centers.

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>> Yeah, we have some that are

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like that are not like ai

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sprawling ones, but are more

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under the sort of 90s concept,

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like within an office building

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that are a stack.

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>> Where like, how many, what

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are we talking about?

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>> I couldn't tell you how many,

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but I'm positive that apl has

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like this smaller scale type is

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in use by apl, probably cpss

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potentially hospital. Howard

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County government would have

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some that would be similar. And

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then I know that there's at

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least 1 or 2 off of the Gilford

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Industrial Park, but they're

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more like like ones next to a

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church. It's just it looks like

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an office building. But if you

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were to upgrade like some of

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your equipment, then that would

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require like if you were to do

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a rooftop change, then that

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would require a red line.

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>> Okay, well, I still think

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it's a mistake to go forward

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with something like this if

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it's serious enough to put a

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pause on new construction. And

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the period that we're asking

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for that pause to extend is

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relatively de minimis, I don't

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I don't really see or hear

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>> Now.

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>> Although I still have no

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sense of the scope, you know,

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any compelling reason to veer

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from the spirit of that

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original bill as submitted?

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Putting that pause as to all

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data centers proposed, existing,

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expanded or new.

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>> To be clear, the bill

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specifically addresses new.

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>> Any other discussion on

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amendment one to cb 31? Please

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call the vote.

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>> Chair.

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>> Jones. Yes, MISS.

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>> Jung yes, MISS.

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>> Rigby yes.

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>> MISS. Walsh no. MR. Yungmann.

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Yes.

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>> Motion to approve amendment

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one to cb 31 passes.

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>> I move to approve amendment

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two to cb 31.

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>> Second.

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>> This amendment expand sort

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of specifies the constellation

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of expertise, utilities,

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infrastructure, water resource

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management, climate resilience

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and environmental science,

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acoustic mitigation, economic

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development, data center

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development, data center

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operation, and two members from

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the building trades. And then

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it also requires the county

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executive to establish, by a

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separate executive order, the

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members of the task force, and

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then it requires a public

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process to solicit the names,

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and then also requires a public

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hearing to receive public

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comment.

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>> Okay. Do you have an

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amendment one to amendment two?

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>> Why yes, I do. I move

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amendment one to amendment two

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second. So this adds additional

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instruction instead of consider.

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It requires recommendations.

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And then it also asks asks the

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group to assess the impact of

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data centers on the Howard

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County climate forward Climate

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Action and Resiliency plan.

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>> Okay.

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>> I'll give colleagues a

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moment to read it, including

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myself. Okay. Before us is.

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>> Well.

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>> I guess we just do one

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amendment to.

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>> Yep, yep. That's okay.

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Amendment one to amendment two

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to cb 31 has been moved and

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seconded. Any discussion? Okay.

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MISS, could you please call the

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vote?

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>> Chair Jones.

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>> Yes, MISS.

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>> Young yes, MISS Rigby yes.

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MISS Walsh no. MR. Yungmann.

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay. Amendment one to

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amendment two to cb 31 pass.

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>> I move amendment two. Where

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is my. I meant I move amendment

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two to amendment two to Council

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bill number 31, 2026.

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>> Second.

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>> This amendment to amendment

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strikes this notion of

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including persons involved in

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data center development and

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data center operation from the

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experience requirements from

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the task force and adds

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requirement that each Council

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Member district shall be

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entitled to nominate one member

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each to the Task force.

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>> Okay, okay.

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>> Amendment two to amendment

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to the cb 31 has been moved and

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seconded. Any discussion?

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>> MISS Walsh would the.

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Substantial experience in the

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following areas of expertise,

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from MISS Rigby's amendment to

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still apply for the Council

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member selections?

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>> Yeah, that was the intent of

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this amendment that it would be.

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>> So we're just I, I see

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we're taking out 12 lines

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12 and 13 and putting in

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the council member and the

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county executive. That

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makes sense.

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>> So I think we should

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have industry experts on

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this task force. But I like

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the second part of the

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amendment, where the County

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Council gets to appoint

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some people to the task

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force.

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>> I do too, so. Do we have

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we do have.

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>> To pursue that.

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>> You did.

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>> Your amendment right,

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MISS Walsh. I don't have it. So

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I'm I'm just.

2518
01:20:40,330 --> 01:20:41,431
>> Going to do.

2519
01:20:41,431 --> 01:20:42,366
>> I passed him down.

2520
01:20:42,366 --> 01:20:43,467
>> No, no.

2521
01:20:43,467 --> 01:20:43,700
>> I don't have one.

2522
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:45,335
>> It's.

2523
01:20:45,335 --> 01:20:46,402
>> Yeah it's probably under

2524
01:20:46,402 --> 01:20:47,404
some other ones. Got it.

2525
01:20:47,404 --> 01:20:49,372
>> I got it.

2526
01:20:49,372 --> 01:20:51,675
>> I mean my amendment two is

2527
01:20:51,675 --> 01:20:53,109
two part one part strikes this

2528
01:20:53,109 --> 01:20:54,511
notion of data center and

2529
01:20:54,511 --> 01:20:56,812
development and data center

2530
01:20:56,812 --> 01:20:58,849
operation being part of the

2531
01:20:58,849 --> 01:21:00,500
required expertise or

2532
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:03,500
experience. And then the second

2533
01:21:03,887 --> 01:21:04,955
part says that we, the five

2534
01:21:04,955 --> 01:21:06,560
council members or our

2535
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,456
successors will nominate one

2536
01:21:09,225 --> 01:21:11,930
member each to the task force

2537
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:12,129
and that there will be

2538
01:21:12,129 --> 01:21:13,997
additionally appointed by

2539
01:21:13,997 --> 01:21:15,766
individual council resolutions.

2540
01:21:15,766 --> 01:21:17,534
>> Sorry. So to clarify, it

2541
01:21:17,534 --> 01:21:18,702
says that it now sets the total

2542
01:21:18,702 --> 01:21:20,537
number for the task force as

2543
01:21:20,537 --> 01:21:24,700
well. So it's setting a number

2544
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:25,142
of seven. Or is it setting

2545
01:21:25,142 --> 01:21:26,977
seven additional?

2546
01:21:26,977 --> 01:21:28,977
>> No. Seven total.

2547
01:21:30,981 --> 01:21:32,490
>> Seven total to get utilities,

2548
01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:32,983
infrastructure, water resource

2549
01:21:32,983 --> 01:21:34,151
management, climate resilience

2550
01:21:34,151 --> 01:21:36,151
and environmental science,

2551
01:21:36,653 --> 01:21:37,654
acoustic mitigation, economic

2552
01:21:37,654 --> 01:21:38,655
development. And then two

2553
01:21:38,655 --> 01:21:40,157
members from the building

2554
01:21:40,157 --> 01:21:42,157
trades within that.

2555
01:21:45,596 --> 01:21:47,596
>> Seven. Yes.

2556
01:21:48,131 --> 01:21:50,000
>> MISS Rigby, what were you

2557
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,400
anticipating? Did you have

2558
01:21:54,571 --> 01:21:56,106
numbers in mind for the list of

2559
01:21:56,106 --> 01:21:58,408
expertise that you were that

2560
01:21:58,408 --> 01:22:00,711
you have listed in your.

2561
01:22:00,711 --> 01:22:02,446
>> I did not, because ideally

2562
01:22:02,446 --> 01:22:04,214
through the public process, you

2563
01:22:04,214 --> 01:22:06,183
know, I didn't want to close

2564
01:22:06,183 --> 01:22:07,217
out. If you had two really

2565
01:22:07,217 --> 01:22:08,985
great acoustic mitigation

2566
01:22:08,985 --> 01:22:10,821
experts that had different

2567
01:22:10,821 --> 01:22:13,290
areas of expertise, maybe one

2568
01:22:13,290 --> 01:22:15,826
is on the generator side and,

2569
01:22:15,826 --> 01:22:16,927
you know, on the actual

2570
01:22:16,927 --> 01:22:19,950
technical pieces, and the other

2571
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,530
is in a different area that

2572
01:22:20,530 --> 01:22:22,465
that would prohibit them. So I

2573
01:22:22,465 --> 01:22:24,333
didn't want to limit the number,

2574
01:22:24,333 --> 01:22:27,437
and I really wanted it to be

2575
01:22:27,437 --> 01:22:28,838
more technically focused to, to

2576
01:22:28,838 --> 01:22:30,607
provide the technical

2577
01:22:30,607 --> 01:22:32,607
recommendations.

2578
01:22:33,176 --> 01:22:34,945
>> Okay. So MISS Walsh's

2579
01:22:34,945 --> 01:22:36,790
amendment would still include

2580
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:37,114
this list.

2581
01:22:37,114 --> 01:22:38,782
>> But limits it to only.

2582
01:22:38,782 --> 01:22:39,490
>> Seven, but limit it to only

2583
01:22:39,490 --> 01:22:40,951
seven.

2584
01:22:40,951 --> 01:22:42,753
>> We all have to pick a person.

2585
01:22:42,753 --> 01:22:45,122
>> Well, again, the way this

2586
01:22:45,122 --> 01:22:46,456
this amendment is drafted to is

2587
01:22:46,456 --> 01:22:48,624
not written like many of our

2588
01:22:48,624 --> 01:22:50,227
others that say to serve on a.

2589
01:22:50,227 --> 01:22:51,328
I don't even want to use an

2590
01:22:51,328 --> 01:22:53,196
example because we don't have

2591
01:22:53,196 --> 01:22:54,364
one for Board of Appeals, but I

2592
01:22:54,364 --> 01:22:55,332
think human rights. I know

2593
01:22:55,332 --> 01:22:57,670
Historic Preservation

2594
01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:58,768
Commission has like a list of

2595
01:22:58,768 --> 01:23:00,137
qualifying things, not a

2596
01:23:00,137 --> 01:23:02,137
required entity representing

2597
01:23:02,673 --> 01:23:05,642
each of these in. In my view,

2598
01:23:05,642 --> 01:23:06,643
this was a way to stack a

2599
01:23:06,643 --> 01:23:08,579
commission with a certain

2600
01:23:08,579 --> 01:23:10,614
number of viewpoints before

2601
01:23:10,614 --> 01:23:12,181
they open their mouth. And so I

2602
01:23:12,181 --> 01:23:14,751
am less concerned about meeting

2603
01:23:14,751 --> 01:23:16,530
all of those now listed. Eight

2604
01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:18,453
is your proposed amendment

2605
01:23:18,522 --> 01:23:20,190
number two, but rather having a

2606
01:23:20,190 --> 01:23:21,825
good cross-section of people

2607
01:23:21,825 --> 01:23:23,250
who actually live here and will

2608
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:24,962
deal with the consequences of

2609
01:23:24,962 --> 01:23:26,129
all of those things that you've

2610
01:23:26,129 --> 01:23:28,966
listed in one through eight and

2611
01:23:28,966 --> 01:23:31,468
maybe more. But I would suggest

2612
01:23:31,468 --> 01:23:32,469
that the that the better

2613
01:23:32,469 --> 01:23:34,400
improvement to amendment two

2614
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,206
would be to word it like every

2615
01:23:36,206 --> 01:23:37,974
other commission is empaneled

2616
01:23:37,974 --> 01:23:39,409
and not create this one that

2617
01:23:39,409 --> 01:23:41,912
does this one that does that,

2618
01:23:41,912 --> 01:23:43,579
one that does this. And I'm not

2619
01:23:43,579 --> 01:23:44,681
even sure that's what you

2620
01:23:44,681 --> 01:23:46,717
intended, but that is how I

2621
01:23:46,717 --> 01:23:47,750
read it. I think it, it reads.

2622
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:49,686
>> I don't, I don't.

2623
01:23:49,686 --> 01:23:49,887
>> Yeah, I don't read it like

2624
01:23:49,887 --> 01:23:51,210
that.

2625
01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:52,555
>> And I'm disappointed because

2626
01:23:52,555 --> 01:23:53,590
I did send out emails

2627
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:53,824
requesting feedback and got

2628
01:23:53,824 --> 01:23:55,726
nothing.

2629
01:23:55,726 --> 01:23:57,561
>> So I, I read it, as you know,

2630
01:23:57,561 --> 01:24:00,230
one person could have all eight

2631
01:24:00,230 --> 01:24:02,633
of these in their expertise.

2632
01:24:02,633 --> 01:24:05,569
One person could have 2 or 3. I

2633
01:24:05,569 --> 01:24:06,703
didn't see it as one person per

2634
01:24:06,703 --> 01:24:08,703
area of expertise.

2635
01:24:08,872 --> 01:24:10,807
>> Okay. The, the number of, of

2636
01:24:10,807 --> 01:24:12,309
appointees doesn't then yeah,

2637
01:24:12,309 --> 01:24:14,978
I'm back to seven. I don't I

2638
01:24:14,978 --> 01:24:16,847
don't think 14 or 9 or I think

2639
01:24:16,847 --> 01:24:17,915
seven again, is, is

2640
01:24:17,915 --> 01:24:19,160
commensurate with some of the

2641
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,184
other commissions that we put

2642
01:24:21,184 --> 01:24:22,885
in place and I think is, again,

2643
01:24:22,885 --> 01:24:24,154
representative of the

2644
01:24:24,154 --> 01:24:26,123
cross-section of, of the county

2645
01:24:26,123 --> 01:24:28,123
as a whole.

2646
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:31,161
>> I like the task task forces

2647
01:24:31,161 --> 01:24:34,761
that are a little bit bigger,

2648
01:24:34,864 --> 01:24:37,334
because you can break down into

2649
01:24:37,334 --> 01:24:38,435
sub sections or even

2650
01:24:38,435 --> 01:24:40,571
subsections, just as long as

2651
01:24:40,571 --> 01:24:42,372
you have an odd number, maybe

2652
01:24:42,372 --> 01:24:43,740
the chairs chosen by the

2653
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:46,140
council, the county executive

2654
01:24:46,743 --> 01:24:48,812
or something. But having 15 or

2655
01:24:48,812 --> 01:24:51,715
13 or, you know, 17, you could

2656
01:24:51,715 --> 01:24:53,417
have three or maybe even four

2657
01:24:53,417 --> 01:24:56,152
beefy committees to do their

2658
01:24:56,152 --> 01:24:57,955
work, come back, meet. So I

2659
01:24:57,955 --> 01:24:59,289
like the bigger numbers. Having

2660
01:24:59,289 --> 01:25:00,757
the County Council members pick

2661
01:25:00,757 --> 01:25:01,757
one I don't think is a bad

2662
01:25:01,757 --> 01:25:03,327
thing, but I definitely

2663
01:25:03,327 --> 01:25:04,528
wouldn't want to limit it at

2664
01:25:04,528 --> 01:25:06,262
seven. I think something like

2665
01:25:06,262 --> 01:25:08,232
this, you know, looks better at

2666
01:25:08,232 --> 01:25:10,632
like 15 or 13 with committees,

2667
01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:19,109
which we've seen before as well.

2668
01:25:19,109 --> 01:25:22,311
I think the way the bill is

2669
01:25:22,311 --> 01:25:23,780
written, MISS Rigby, would the

2670
01:25:23,780 --> 01:25:26,180
county executive determine like.

2671
01:25:27,384 --> 01:25:29,486
So let's. Yeah, yeah. And past

2672
01:25:29,486 --> 01:25:32,122
past practice has been in the

2673
01:25:32,122 --> 01:25:33,790
low teens or mid teens. And

2674
01:25:33,790 --> 01:25:35,592
we've seen committees form from

2675
01:25:35,592 --> 01:25:36,693
them. All right. Good

2676
01:25:36,693 --> 01:25:38,528
discussion. Any other

2677
01:25:38,528 --> 01:25:40,397
discussion on amendment two to

2678
01:25:40,397 --> 01:25:41,430
amendment two. Okay. Yeah go

2679
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:43,232
ahead.

2680
01:25:43,232 --> 01:25:45,369
>> So what what task force are

2681
01:25:45,369 --> 01:25:47,838
you thinking of Doctor Jones

2682
01:25:47,838 --> 01:25:51,174
I'm trying to this this one

2683
01:25:51,174 --> 01:25:54,774
seems like the ones that the

2684
01:25:57,214 --> 01:26:00,417
only one I can think of is Apfo.

2685
01:26:00,417 --> 01:26:01,351
1450. Oh of course I remember.

2686
01:26:01,351 --> 01:26:02,351
>> It was grueling.

2687
01:26:02,351 --> 01:26:03,287
>> It was grueling.

2688
01:26:03,287 --> 01:26:05,287
>> We endured that.

2689
01:26:05,956 --> 01:26:07,758
>> Yes we did. It was a. Yeah,

2690
01:26:07,758 --> 01:26:08,458
we won't go there.

2691
01:26:08,458 --> 01:26:10,458
>> Yeah.

2692
01:26:10,694 --> 01:26:13,940
>> Maybe 17. But yeah, actually,

2693
01:26:13,529 --> 01:26:13,864
I think it made that task force

2694
01:26:13,864 --> 01:26:14,498
unworkable.

2695
01:26:14,498 --> 01:26:16,498
>> Well.

2696
01:26:18,569 --> 01:26:21,404
>> That's we yeah. It was. So

2697
01:26:21,404 --> 01:26:23,574
that's I guess I'm thinking if

2698
01:26:23,574 --> 01:26:27,174
we wanted to expand it, maybe

2699
01:26:27,444 --> 01:26:29,612
nine or even 11. But that would

2700
01:26:29,612 --> 01:26:31,415
be I think that would be the

2701
01:26:31,415 --> 01:26:33,217
maximum number. I think the

2702
01:26:33,217 --> 01:26:34,685
larger you get, the more

2703
01:26:34,685 --> 01:26:37,588
unwieldy you get, the harder it

2704
01:26:37,588 --> 01:26:41,188
gets to come to a resolution,

2705
01:26:42,526 --> 01:26:44,270
even make recommendations.

2706
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:45,195
>> Okay.

2707
01:26:45,195 --> 01:26:47,397
>> But you don't have any

2708
01:26:47,397 --> 01:26:48,398
number at all. And Liz has the

2709
01:26:48,398 --> 01:26:48,731
number seven.

2710
01:26:48,731 --> 01:26:50,199
>> Yes.

2711
01:26:50,199 --> 01:26:50,667
>> Well, I.

2712
01:26:50,667 --> 01:26:50,901
>> I think.

2713
01:26:50,901 --> 01:26:52,569
>> I.

2714
01:26:52,569 --> 01:26:54,605
>> Assumed we're not going to

2715
01:26:54,605 --> 01:26:55,370
be it was not going to end up

2716
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:56,640
being unreasonable.

2717
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,508
>> Right? Not like 70, 72,000.

2718
01:26:58,508 --> 01:27:01,245
>> Is required to staff and you

2719
01:27:01,245 --> 01:27:03,914
know, right. They're not going

2720
01:27:03,914 --> 01:27:06,490
to make it more painful than it

2721
01:27:06,490 --> 01:27:08,218
has to be. But I didn't want to

2722
01:27:08,218 --> 01:27:08,885
be so prescriptive on the set

2723
01:27:08,885 --> 01:27:10,120
number.

2724
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,755
>> But very prescriptive in

2725
01:27:11,755 --> 01:27:13,223
terms of the expertise.

2726
01:27:13,223 --> 01:27:15,250
>> Well, I was really going for

2727
01:27:15,250 --> 01:27:16,493
a constellation and asked for

2728
01:27:16,493 --> 01:27:18,195
feedback because I wanted it to

2729
01:27:18,195 --> 01:27:19,695
be a constellation of expertise

2730
01:27:19,695 --> 01:27:21,865
so we could consider a variety

2731
01:27:21,865 --> 01:27:22,199
of elements and variables in

2732
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:23,367
this.

2733
01:27:23,367 --> 01:27:24,768
>> Did this, does this, does

2734
01:27:24,768 --> 01:27:26,469
this have legal sufficiency

2735
01:27:26,469 --> 01:27:27,638
without specifying the size of

2736
01:27:27,638 --> 01:27:31,238
this task force? It could be

2737
01:27:31,875 --> 01:27:34,275
anywhere from 1 to 37,000. Like

2738
01:27:36,313 --> 01:27:38,800
what?

2739
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,800
>> If you're asking if it's

2740
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:43,854
sufficient, it it is the the

2741
01:27:43,854 --> 01:27:45,322
bill doesn't have to set a

2742
01:27:45,322 --> 01:27:47,124
number. So the effect of your

2743
01:27:47,124 --> 01:27:49,524
amendment would. To actually

2744
01:27:49,659 --> 01:27:51,861
cap it at, I guess, seven,

2745
01:27:51,861 --> 01:27:53,297
right? Two for the executive

2746
01:27:53,297 --> 01:27:56,897
and then one for each council

2747
01:27:59,769 --> 01:28:02,169
member. That's basically the

2748
01:28:02,306 --> 01:28:05,409
way it reads. Now, there is no

2749
01:28:05,409 --> 01:28:06,509
limit. There's no set number.

2750
01:28:06,509 --> 01:28:09,111
Amendment two would just sort

2751
01:28:09,111 --> 01:28:10,179
of set expertise. Areas that

2752
01:28:10,179 --> 01:28:11,882
appointees, whoever they end up

2753
01:28:11,882 --> 01:28:13,182
being, should have.

2754
01:28:13,182 --> 01:28:14,551
>> Okay. So in that example,

2755
01:28:14,551 --> 01:28:16,185
what would prevent the county

2756
01:28:16,185 --> 01:28:18,185
executive from appointing

2757
01:28:19,823 --> 01:28:21,823
exclusively 15 task force

2758
01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:25,729
members who comport with the

2759
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:28,398
data, the two that were that

2760
01:28:28,398 --> 01:28:30,234
I'm proposing we strike data

2761
01:28:30,234 --> 01:28:32,634
collection and data development

2762
01:28:32,836 --> 01:28:34,400
or something.

2763
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,638
>> Because they have to have.

2764
01:28:35,638 --> 01:28:37,106
The other. Ones as well.

2765
01:28:37,106 --> 01:28:38,542
>> The compilation, I'm

2766
01:28:38,542 --> 01:28:40,644
assuming the compilation of all

2767
01:28:40,644 --> 01:28:43,547
the people comprised of this

2768
01:28:43,547 --> 01:28:45,883
task force would hit at some

2769
01:28:45,883 --> 01:28:47,551
point. All of these, maybe some

2770
01:28:47,551 --> 01:28:49,620
more than others, but all of

2771
01:28:49,620 --> 01:28:52,256
these eight would be covered by

2772
01:28:52,256 --> 01:28:54,424
x number, hopefully an odd

2773
01:28:54,424 --> 01:28:55,791
number, but x number of task

2774
01:28:55,791 --> 01:28:56,590
force members. Go ahead, MR.

2775
01:28:56,590 --> 01:28:57,861
Yungmann.

2776
01:28:57,861 --> 01:28:59,960
>> Why don't you just put a cap

2777
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:01,231
on it? That's more than seven,

2778
01:29:01,231 --> 01:29:02,366
but less than 37,000.

2779
01:29:02,366 --> 01:29:03,233
>> I mean, like I said.

2780
01:29:03,233 --> 01:29:03,467
>> I.

2781
01:29:03,467 --> 01:29:05,302
>> Mean.

2782
01:29:05,302 --> 01:29:07,337
>> I would just make it 15.

2783
01:29:07,337 --> 01:29:09,239
>> I mean, this is why I was.

2784
01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:09,506
>> Going to let them make that

2785
01:29:09,506 --> 01:29:10,607
decision.

2786
01:29:10,607 --> 01:29:12,750
>> Yeah. Who's them.

2787
01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:12,976
>> Who's who is them.

2788
01:29:12,976 --> 01:29:14,976
>> The administration.

2789
01:29:15,379 --> 01:29:17,146
>> Lines 12 and 13. The county

2790
01:29:17,146 --> 01:29:18,382
executive shall establish the

2791
01:29:18,382 --> 01:29:19,415
members of the task force who

2792
01:29:19,415 --> 01:29:20,551
shall be chosen from a

2793
01:29:20,551 --> 01:29:21,685
selection of names solicited

2794
01:29:21,685 --> 01:29:24,850
through a public process.

2795
01:29:25,755 --> 01:29:27,157
>> Yeah. But they could do

2796
01:29:27,157 --> 01:29:29,359
37,000. I'm just saying, like,

2797
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:30,600
if we want to cap it then just

2798
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,862
put a cap on it.

2799
01:29:31,862 --> 01:29:33,330
>> But yeah, I'm okay.

2800
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:34,932
>> I mean, that is typical of

2801
01:29:34,932 --> 01:29:36,500
boards. When you look at board

2802
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:38,635
bylaws, it says a minimum of

2803
01:29:38,635 --> 01:29:39,703
seven, a maximum of 15. That's

2804
01:29:39,703 --> 01:29:40,170
not unusual.

2805
01:29:40,170 --> 01:29:41,804
>> Yeah.

2806
01:29:41,804 --> 01:29:44,804
>> This was always a big

2807
01:29:45,541 --> 01:29:48,378
omission in the original bill.

2808
01:29:48,378 --> 01:29:51,682
Yes it was. Our question. Was

2809
01:29:51,682 --> 01:29:54,150
how is this how is this body

2810
01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:56,550
comprised and and initially

2811
01:29:58,488 --> 01:30:00,290
established.

2812
01:30:00,290 --> 01:30:02,593
>> I'm under the impression I'm

2813
01:30:02,593 --> 01:30:04,728
under the impression by reading

2814
01:30:04,728 --> 01:30:06,763
this bill and with the

2815
01:30:06,763 --> 01:30:07,964
experience that we have seen,

2816
01:30:07,964 --> 01:30:11,101
with the examples we have seen

2817
01:30:11,101 --> 01:30:14,101
with other task forces, other

2818
01:30:15,138 --> 01:30:18,138
task forces that the county

2819
01:30:18,609 --> 01:30:20,444
executive would comprise a body

2820
01:30:20,444 --> 01:30:23,444
with a sizable number, whether

2821
01:30:25,115 --> 01:30:27,515
that's 9 or 11, you know, 13.

2822
01:30:27,985 --> 01:30:31,622
To hit all of these points, I

2823
01:30:31,622 --> 01:30:33,323
don't I would hope that a

2824
01:30:33,323 --> 01:30:36,323
county executive elected by the

2825
01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:39,427
people wouldn't pick 51 data

2826
01:30:39,496 --> 01:30:40,797
center experts. And then, I

2827
01:30:40,797 --> 01:30:42,310
don't know, that's just, you

2828
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:43,700
know, again, you'd have to

2829
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:44,902
staff it where they're going to

2830
01:30:44,902 --> 01:30:47,738
meet and that that would just

2831
01:30:47,738 --> 01:30:49,600
be a bit unreasonable. But I do

2832
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,600
understand the concern. So if

2833
01:30:52,108 --> 01:30:53,576
there's an appetite for an

2834
01:30:53,576 --> 01:30:56,413
amendment to amendment two that

2835
01:30:56,413 --> 01:30:57,948
just deals with minimums and

2836
01:30:57,948 --> 01:31:00,750
maximums, I'm cool with that.

2837
01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:02,119
Or a minimum and a maximum, but

2838
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:03,686
other than that, I'm ready to

2839
01:31:03,686 --> 01:31:03,987
vote if there's no more

2840
01:31:03,987 --> 01:31:05,689
discussion.

2841
01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:06,657
>> Okay, you want to vote on

2842
01:31:06,657 --> 01:31:07,790
amendment number two. And

2843
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:08,992
depending on where that goes,

2844
01:31:08,992 --> 01:31:11,992
I'll I'll move amendment number

2845
01:31:12,328 --> 01:31:14,731
three that just proposes lines

2846
01:31:14,731 --> 01:31:15,532
eight through 11 of amendment

2847
01:31:15,532 --> 01:31:17,267
two.

2848
01:31:17,267 --> 01:31:19,236
>> Yeah, I'm I'm happy with a

2849
01:31:19,236 --> 01:31:21,138
minimum and a maximum. Other

2850
01:31:21,138 --> 01:31:22,339
than that, I like the way the

2851
01:31:22,339 --> 01:31:23,473
bill. The bill reads. So is

2852
01:31:23,473 --> 01:31:26,473
there any more discussion on

2853
01:31:27,377 --> 01:31:28,744
amendment two to amendment two?

2854
01:31:28,744 --> 01:31:30,380
Oh, actually I do have one more

2855
01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:31,714
question. MISS Walsh. You said

2856
01:31:31,714 --> 01:31:32,848
to strike the phrase in

2857
01:31:32,848 --> 01:31:34,551
accordance with section 902 of

2858
01:31:34,551 --> 01:31:38,151
the of the County charter. Was

2859
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:43,594
that for a specific reason?

2860
01:31:43,594 --> 01:31:44,294
Because I didn't want to.

2861
01:31:44,294 --> 01:31:44,661
>> Yeah.

2862
01:31:44,661 --> 01:31:46,661
>> Yeah. Sorry.

2863
01:31:59,809 --> 01:32:01,809
>> I'm looking.

2864
01:32:02,713 --> 01:32:03,880
>> On page three in line.

2865
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,515
>> MISS Walsh, would you like

2866
01:32:05,515 --> 01:32:07,500
me to answer that, please?

2867
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:07,751
>> Yes.

2868
01:32:07,751 --> 01:32:09,860
>> Yes, please.

2869
01:32:09,860 --> 01:32:11,860
>> I can't find.

2870
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,523
>> So that was added more as a

2871
01:32:13,523 --> 01:32:15,259
technical suggestion at our

2872
01:32:15,259 --> 01:32:16,727
request, because the way that

2873
01:32:16,727 --> 01:32:18,795
the bill is structured, it's

2874
01:32:18,795 --> 01:32:21,640
really a section, a charter,

2875
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,464
section 902 board, which the

2876
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:24,935
executive can appoint his board.

2877
01:32:24,935 --> 01:32:25,769
And the council also has the

2878
01:32:25,769 --> 01:32:27,870
authority to appoint their

2879
01:32:27,870 --> 01:32:29,305
board. But the way that

2880
01:32:29,305 --> 01:32:31,410
amendment two to amendment two

2881
01:32:31,410 --> 01:32:34,344
was structured, it kind of it

2882
01:32:34,344 --> 01:32:38,248
made it a joint task force. And

2883
01:32:38,248 --> 01:32:39,716
so it was no longer. 902 board.

2884
01:32:39,716 --> 01:32:41,919
>> Thank you. Thank you, MISS

2885
01:32:41,919 --> 01:32:43,754
Mayo. I know I asked it on the

2886
01:32:43,754 --> 01:32:46,623
front side, but I can't

2887
01:32:46,623 --> 01:32:46,857
remember. Okay.

2888
01:32:46,857 --> 01:32:48,791
>> Okay.

2889
01:32:48,791 --> 01:32:49,760
>> So we would need to I'll get

2890
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,695
there when we get.

2891
01:32:51,695 --> 01:32:52,862
>> So if there's, if there's an

2892
01:32:52,862 --> 01:32:54,598
appetite for a minimum and a

2893
01:32:54,598 --> 01:32:55,799
maximum for a future amendment

2894
01:32:55,799 --> 01:32:56,867
to amendment two, in this case,

2895
01:32:56,867 --> 01:32:58,602
amendment three to amendment

2896
01:32:58,602 --> 01:32:59,670
two, then we could deal with

2897
01:32:59,670 --> 01:33:00,770
that. Section 902 situation you

2898
01:33:00,770 --> 01:33:01,939
just mentioned. But let's go

2899
01:33:01,939 --> 01:33:03,674
ahead and vote. Amendment to

2900
01:33:03,674 --> 01:33:05,608
the amendment two, and then we

2901
01:33:05,608 --> 01:33:06,677
can take up another one if we

2902
01:33:06,677 --> 01:33:07,810
need. MISS Harris, could you

2903
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:08,611
please call the vote Chair?

2904
01:33:08,611 --> 01:33:08,912
>> Jones.

2905
01:33:08,912 --> 01:33:09,980
>> No.

2906
01:33:09,980 --> 01:33:11,810
>> MISS Young.

2907
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:13,810
>> Yes.

2908
01:33:13,584 --> 01:33:15,584
>> MISS Rigby no.

2909
01:33:16,452 --> 01:33:17,954
>> MISS Walsh. Yes. MR.

2910
01:33:17,954 --> 01:33:19,954
Yungmann no.

2911
01:33:20,189 --> 01:33:21,992
>> Okay. The motion to approve

2912
01:33:21,992 --> 01:33:24,461
amendment two to amendment two

2913
01:33:24,461 --> 01:33:25,862
to cb 31 fails.

2914
01:33:25,862 --> 01:33:27,364
>> Okay. I move amendment

2915
01:33:27,364 --> 01:33:30,364
number three to amendment two

2916
01:33:33,700 --> 01:33:35,720
to Council bill number 31, 2026.

2917
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,173
>> Do you have to say what it

2918
01:33:36,173 --> 01:33:38,750
would say before you get.

2919
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:39,376
>> I thought I couldn't do that

2920
01:33:39,376 --> 01:33:41,143
until I got a Second. Amendment

2921
01:33:41,143 --> 01:33:42,312
number. I know this is the one

2922
01:33:42,312 --> 01:33:45,820
we just discussed that is going

2923
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:45,816
to do a top no more then or no

2924
01:33:45,816 --> 01:33:46,349
less than okay.

2925
01:33:46,349 --> 01:33:48,349
>> Second.

2926
01:33:48,919 --> 01:33:51,210
>> I do apologize. I, I haven't

2927
01:33:51,210 --> 01:33:53,223
had dinner and it has been a

2928
01:33:53,223 --> 01:33:54,991
long day. What did we do with

2929
01:33:54,991 --> 01:33:57,127
amendment one to amendment two

2930
01:33:57,127 --> 01:33:58,362
to cb 31? I swear I don't

2931
01:33:58,362 --> 01:34:00,464
remember. We just talked about

2932
01:34:00,464 --> 01:34:01,565
it. One did we not? Did we.

2933
01:34:01,565 --> 01:34:02,933
>> Skip amendment to. No.

2934
01:34:02,933 --> 01:34:03,700
>> We owe it passed.

2935
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:05,700
>> Passed it passed.

2936
01:34:05,903 --> 01:34:07,571
>> Okay I see oh right right

2937
01:34:07,571 --> 01:34:09,439
right right right. Okay. Got it,

2938
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:10,673
got it, got it. Okay. I think

2939
01:34:10,673 --> 01:34:12,442
it's because I just finally saw

2940
01:34:12,442 --> 01:34:13,676
the paper. So I just remember,

2941
01:34:13,676 --> 01:34:15,545
okay, I found the paper and was

2942
01:34:15,545 --> 01:34:16,713
like, we didn't talk about this,

2943
01:34:16,713 --> 01:34:18,448
so sorry. Okay. Amendment three

2944
01:34:18,448 --> 01:34:20,851
to amendment two to cb 31.

2945
01:34:20,851 --> 01:34:21,851
>> Okay. Would read the same as

2946
01:34:21,851 --> 01:34:24,251
amendment number two to

2947
01:34:24,588 --> 01:34:27,588
amendment two, except that it

2948
01:34:29,826 --> 01:34:32,695
would strike. Lines four and

2949
01:34:32,695 --> 01:34:35,566
lines six, she says slowly,

2950
01:34:35,566 --> 01:34:37,670
looking over it. Office of law

2951
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:39,303
on amendment number two. So we

2952
01:34:39,303 --> 01:34:42,710
would be we would not be

2953
01:34:42,710 --> 01:34:43,607
striking the data operations,

2954
01:34:43,607 --> 01:34:45,742
data center development and

2955
01:34:45,742 --> 01:34:47,177
data center operation in lines

2956
01:34:47,177 --> 01:34:50,130
eight through nine of amendment

2957
01:34:50,130 --> 01:34:52,882
two. And I wouldn't need an

2958
01:34:52,882 --> 01:34:54,284
extra end in line seven. So we

2959
01:34:54,284 --> 01:34:55,819
would be striking four and five

2960
01:34:55,819 --> 01:34:58,880
from amendment two. But keeping

2961
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,900
intact this notion of a council

2962
01:35:00,900 --> 01:35:01,258
member will appoint one, the

2963
01:35:01,258 --> 01:35:03,658
county executive will appoint

2964
01:35:04,126 --> 01:35:06,196
two. And if if this body wants

2965
01:35:06,196 --> 01:35:07,897
to create a floor and a ceiling,

2966
01:35:07,897 --> 01:35:09,166
then I would say the county

2967
01:35:09,166 --> 01:35:11,267
executive shall nominate no

2968
01:35:11,267 --> 01:35:12,636
more than four members to the

2969
01:35:12,636 --> 01:35:16,236
task force, which would be a

2970
01:35:18,775 --> 01:35:20,576
total of nine. Does that

2971
01:35:20,576 --> 01:35:22,976
suffice for you guys?

2972
01:35:23,546 --> 01:35:25,448
>> Okay. I, I like I like to be

2973
01:35:25,448 --> 01:35:26,817
in the teens, but I hear what

2974
01:35:26,817 --> 01:35:28,886
you're saying. With the county

2975
01:35:28,886 --> 01:35:30,286
executive appointing more than

2976
01:35:30,286 --> 01:35:32,286
each council member

2977
01:35:34,691 --> 01:35:35,592
collectively, I like 1315 just

2978
01:35:35,592 --> 01:35:37,426
because you can get committees

2979
01:35:37,426 --> 01:35:41,626
out of that and you do some,

2980
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:44,735
you can do so much more work.

2981
01:35:44,735 --> 01:35:47,170
But that's just me. Okay.

2982
01:35:47,170 --> 01:35:49,973
That's your amendment. Is there

2983
01:35:49,973 --> 01:35:50,574
a second for amendment three to

2984
01:35:50,574 --> 01:35:52,209
amendment two?

2985
01:35:52,209 --> 01:35:52,643
>> We had Deb, I thought

2986
01:35:52,643 --> 01:35:53,911
seconded.

2987
01:35:53,911 --> 01:35:55,711
>> Oh you did. Seconded. Okay.

2988
01:35:55,711 --> 01:35:57,681
Can we repeat the wording of it?

2989
01:35:57,681 --> 01:36:00,216
>> Can you can you live with. A

2990
01:36:00,216 --> 01:36:02,152
with a little higher number?

2991
01:36:02,152 --> 01:36:03,820
Like if there's five council

2992
01:36:03,820 --> 01:36:06,220
members, the administration can

2993
01:36:11,662 --> 01:36:14,331
do. Six. That gets you to 11.

2994
01:36:14,331 --> 01:36:15,632
>> Okay.

2995
01:36:15,632 --> 01:36:16,333
>> I'm happy with that.

2996
01:36:16,333 --> 01:36:18,333
>> Okay.

2997
01:36:18,368 --> 01:36:19,403
>> So do since it was moved and

2998
01:36:19,403 --> 01:36:21,471
seconded, do we have to

2999
01:36:21,471 --> 01:36:22,390
withdraw and then move it.

3000
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:22,573
>> The the.

3001
01:36:22,573 --> 01:36:23,507
>> Okay.

3002
01:36:23,507 --> 01:36:24,775
>> So basically.

3003
01:36:24,775 --> 01:36:26,910
>> The last sentence of or the

3004
01:36:26,910 --> 01:36:27,910
last two sentence is of

3005
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:29,713
amendment number three to

3006
01:36:29,713 --> 01:36:30,781
amendment two would read. The

3007
01:36:30,781 --> 01:36:32,549
county executive shall nominate

3008
01:36:32,549 --> 01:36:33,817
no more than six members to. I

3009
01:36:33,817 --> 01:36:36,220
don't know why I'm not touching

3010
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:37,721
my mic to the task force. Task

3011
01:36:37,721 --> 01:36:39,455
force members will be appointed

3012
01:36:39,455 --> 01:36:39,790
by individual Council

3013
01:36:39,790 --> 01:36:41,790
resolutions.

3014
01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:45,250
>> Okay, so amendment three to

3015
01:36:45,195 --> 01:36:46,630
amendment two would would

3016
01:36:46,630 --> 01:36:49,300
strike in accordance with 902

3017
01:36:49,466 --> 01:36:50,634
of the County charter, then

3018
01:36:50,634 --> 01:36:51,802
jump a.

3019
01:36:51,802 --> 01:36:52,903
>> We gotta keep that one.

3020
01:36:52,903 --> 01:36:54,571
>> Because we're having a

3021
01:36:54,571 --> 01:36:55,906
council. We're having a

3022
01:36:55,906 --> 01:36:57,774
commission nominated by both

3023
01:36:57,774 --> 01:36:59,209
the executive and the

3024
01:36:59,209 --> 01:36:59,508
legislative branch.

3025
01:36:59,508 --> 01:37:00,610
>> Okay.

3026
01:37:00,610 --> 01:37:01,211
>> That was your question,

3027
01:37:01,211 --> 01:37:02,346
right.

3028
01:37:02,346 --> 01:37:03,413
>> I thought that was the

3029
01:37:03,413 --> 01:37:04,848
reason for striking in

3030
01:37:04,848 --> 01:37:06,830
accordance with.

3031
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:07,951
>> Right. So we gotta keep we

3032
01:37:07,951 --> 01:37:08,851
gotta keep striking it so that.

3033
01:37:08,851 --> 01:37:09,185
>> That's what.

3034
01:37:09,185 --> 01:37:10,854
>> I'm saying.

3035
01:37:10,854 --> 01:37:11,854
>> Yes. Yeah. Strike it.

3036
01:37:11,854 --> 01:37:13,230
>> Oh, GOD. Okay.

3037
01:37:13,230 --> 01:37:14,858
>> Right. Not strike line two.

3038
01:37:14,858 --> 01:37:15,958
Continue to strike. I got it.

3039
01:37:15,958 --> 01:37:17,930
Okay. We're saying the same

3040
01:37:17,930 --> 01:37:18,862
thing. All right. Perfect. And

3041
01:37:18,862 --> 01:37:19,863
then the last three lines says

3042
01:37:19,863 --> 01:37:20,998
each council member shall

3043
01:37:20,998 --> 01:37:22,650
nominate one member each of the

3044
01:37:22,650 --> 01:37:23,650
task force. The county

3045
01:37:23,650 --> 01:37:24,868
executive shall nominate no

3046
01:37:24,868 --> 01:37:27,370
more than six members of the

3047
01:37:27,370 --> 01:37:28,405
task force. And then task force

3048
01:37:28,405 --> 01:37:29,940
members shall be appointed by

3049
01:37:29,940 --> 01:37:31,742
individual council resolutions.

3050
01:37:31,742 --> 01:37:33,109
Is that cool? Roger that. Okay.

3051
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:34,878
Is that okay? Do you still

3052
01:37:34,878 --> 01:37:36,346
second MISS, MISS? MISS Young?

3053
01:37:36,346 --> 01:37:37,414
>> Yes, that sounds good.

3054
01:37:37,414 --> 01:37:39,283
>> All right. Amendment three

3055
01:37:39,283 --> 01:37:42,485
to amendment two has been moved

3056
01:37:42,485 --> 01:37:44,885
and seconded. Any discussion,

3057
01:37:45,389 --> 01:37:46,356
MISS Harry? Call the vote.

3058
01:37:46,356 --> 01:37:47,824
>> Chair. Jones.

3059
01:37:47,824 --> 01:37:48,525
>> Yes,

3060
01:37:48,525 --> 01:37:49,191
>> MISS Jones.

3061
01:37:49,191 --> 01:37:51,191
>> Yes.

3062
01:37:51,827 --> 01:37:52,162
>> MISS Rigby. Yes, MISS Walsh.

3063
01:37:52,162 --> 01:37:53,430
>> Yes.

3064
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:53,997
>> MR. Yungmann.

3065
01:37:53,997 --> 01:37:55,432
>> Yes.

3066
01:37:55,432 --> 01:37:57,634
>> Okay. Amendment three to

3067
01:37:57,634 --> 01:38:00,690
amendment two to cb 31 passes.

3068
01:38:00,690 --> 01:38:01,471
Chair Jones. Yes.

3069
01:38:01,471 --> 01:38:03,340
>> I am going to move an

3070
01:38:03,340 --> 01:38:04,740
amendment four. Okay. To

3071
01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:05,209
amendment two.

3072
01:38:05,209 --> 01:38:06,877
>> Okay.

3073
01:38:06,877 --> 01:38:07,944
>> And no.

3074
01:38:07,944 --> 01:38:08,845
>> No, it's happening. Right.

3075
01:38:08,845 --> 01:38:09,913
>> It's happening.

3076
01:38:09,913 --> 01:38:12,249
>> It's happening right now. Go

3077
01:38:12,249 --> 01:38:14,885
for it. And it's a very, very

3078
01:38:14,885 --> 01:38:17,885
simple change to change the 18

3079
01:38:18,822 --> 01:38:19,823
months to 12. I think that the

3080
01:38:19,823 --> 01:38:20,990
administration, no matter who

3081
01:38:20,990 --> 01:38:21,992
that administration might be,

3082
01:38:21,992 --> 01:38:22,825
it's human nature, it's

3083
01:38:22,825 --> 01:38:24,261
government nature. They're

3084
01:38:24,261 --> 01:38:27,464
going to take every minute that

3085
01:38:27,464 --> 01:38:29,966
they need. There's really no

3086
01:38:29,966 --> 01:38:33,470
reason why the task force can't

3087
01:38:33,470 --> 01:38:36,740
wrap up by early winter and

3088
01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:40,340
allow the the next council to

3089
01:38:40,843 --> 01:38:42,512
get it done by, you know, once

3090
01:38:42,512 --> 01:38:44,281
it gets going. So.

3091
01:38:44,281 --> 01:38:47,183
>> Okay, is there a second for

3092
01:38:47,183 --> 01:38:49,752
this motion to amend amendment

3093
01:38:49,752 --> 01:38:51,188
four to amendment two?

3094
01:38:51,188 --> 01:38:52,956
>> I will second, mainly so I

3095
01:38:52,956 --> 01:38:53,290
could a moment to do math.

3096
01:38:53,290 --> 01:38:55,125
Second.

3097
01:38:55,125 --> 01:38:57,525
>> Okay, amendment four to

3098
01:38:58,610 --> 01:38:59,429
amendment two to cb 31 has been

3099
01:38:59,429 --> 01:39:01,598
moved and seconded and

3100
01:39:01,598 --> 01:39:03,998
essentially is changing the 18

3101
01:39:04,468 --> 01:39:05,235
month clause to 12 months. Any

3102
01:39:05,235 --> 01:39:07,370
discussion?

3103
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:08,471
>> So is it a late filed

3104
01:39:08,471 --> 01:39:09,540
amendment that needs the four.

3105
01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:10,674
>> Know because it's an

3106
01:39:10,674 --> 01:39:11,708
amendment to an amendment.

3107
01:39:11,708 --> 01:39:13,708
>> Oh, GOD. Okay.

3108
01:39:13,844 --> 01:39:16,844
>> So on amendment two, there'd

3109
01:39:16,847 --> 01:39:18,315
be a line, I guess 18 unless

3110
01:39:18,315 --> 01:39:20,820
the lines have changed based on

3111
01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:22,953
these other two amendments that

3112
01:39:22,953 --> 01:39:25,550
would just revise line six on

3113
01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:27,189
page five of the bill from 18

3114
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:29,159
months to 12 months.

3115
01:39:29,159 --> 01:39:30,694
>> MISS Rigby, can I ask you a

3116
01:39:30,694 --> 01:39:33,694
question? Yeah, because I know

3117
01:39:36,866 --> 01:39:39,360
you dig deep. So. In your in

3118
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,538
the course of preparing this

3119
01:39:41,538 --> 01:39:44,740
bill, what did you find was the

3120
01:39:44,740 --> 01:39:45,908
average number of months that a

3121
01:39:45,908 --> 01:39:49,508
task force like this took in

3122
01:39:49,846 --> 01:39:52,449
order to study these issues? I

3123
01:39:52,449 --> 01:39:53,817
I'm sure you didn't pick 18 out

3124
01:39:53,817 --> 01:39:55,817
of the air.

3125
01:39:55,819 --> 01:39:58,221
>> No, but I did pick 18 more

3126
01:39:58,221 --> 01:39:59,456
based on what we know to be

3127
01:39:59,456 --> 01:40:00,691
coming before the Council. So I

3128
01:40:00,691 --> 01:40:01,958
wanted to make sure that they

3129
01:40:01,958 --> 01:40:03,594
would they wouldn't necessarily

3130
01:40:03,594 --> 01:40:05,395
be forced to do it prior to

3131
01:40:05,395 --> 01:40:06,462
budget or forced to do it

3132
01:40:06,462 --> 01:40:09,462
during budget. And then the

3133
01:40:09,666 --> 01:40:11,501
only concern I have with the 12

3134
01:40:11,501 --> 01:40:15,101
is that that takes you to

3135
01:40:16,939 --> 01:40:18,442
AUGUST of 27. So 13 would be

3136
01:40:18,442 --> 01:40:19,420
would get you to SEPTEMBER.

3137
01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:20,811
>> I could do.

3138
01:40:20,811 --> 01:40:23,680
>> That because if you end

3139
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,147
during the recess and there's

3140
01:40:25,147 --> 01:40:25,514
not really a chance to, to

3141
01:40:25,514 --> 01:40:27,514
change it.

3142
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:30,921
>> Yeah. I mostly want the task

3143
01:40:30,921 --> 01:40:32,756
force to get stood up, meet and

3144
01:40:32,756 --> 01:40:34,157
get their recommendations done,

3145
01:40:34,157 --> 01:40:35,392
because then the xray is going

3146
01:40:35,392 --> 01:40:37,194
to have to get drafted. It's

3147
01:40:37,194 --> 01:40:38,227
going to have to go through

3148
01:40:38,227 --> 01:40:41,227
Planning Board and all those

3149
01:40:41,331 --> 01:40:43,166
other steps. And these are

3150
01:40:43,166 --> 01:40:44,902
significant business

3151
01:40:44,902 --> 01:40:46,503
development opportunities that

3152
01:40:46,503 --> 01:40:48,472
are going to be on the table.

3153
01:40:48,472 --> 01:40:50,474
And I know we have to do this.

3154
01:40:50,474 --> 01:40:52,376
Like I know we have to do this,

3155
01:40:52,376 --> 01:40:54,411
but I just there's no need for

3156
01:40:54,411 --> 01:40:56,413
it to take a year and a half,

3157
01:40:56,413 --> 01:40:58,315
that's all. So you will make it

3158
01:40:58,315 --> 01:41:00,315
13. That's totally cool.

3159
01:41:00,884 --> 01:41:04,484
>> Well, what if we so you

3160
01:41:04,754 --> 01:41:05,888
wanted to make it. 12 and.

3161
01:41:05,888 --> 01:41:08,325
>> Actually no, because this is

3162
01:41:08,325 --> 01:41:09,393
a bill. So this won't go into

3163
01:41:09,393 --> 01:41:10,930
effect until.

3164
01:41:10,930 --> 01:41:12,930
>> 61 day.

3165
01:41:12,995 --> 01:41:14,331
>> Oh, you did okay.

3166
01:41:14,331 --> 01:41:15,799
>> Already on it.

3167
01:41:15,799 --> 01:41:17,334
>> I'm just thinking OCTOBER

3168
01:41:17,334 --> 01:41:20,334
would be even better because

3169
01:41:20,571 --> 01:41:22,406
then we would be in the perfect

3170
01:41:22,406 --> 01:41:23,407
place to get the legislation

3171
01:41:23,407 --> 01:41:24,641
done, and.

3172
01:41:24,641 --> 01:41:25,542
>> You'd actually have time to,

3173
01:41:25,542 --> 01:41:27,411
like, file a bill.

3174
01:41:27,411 --> 01:41:28,612
>> And you would have. Right.

3175
01:41:28,612 --> 01:41:29,546
>> Well, actually, I think 11

3176
01:41:29,546 --> 01:41:29,980
would be better.

3177
01:41:29,980 --> 01:41:31,980
>> Okay.

3178
01:41:32,749 --> 01:41:34,618
>> But, you know, I just I mean,

3179
01:41:34,618 --> 01:41:37,888
how long does it take to, to,

3180
01:41:37,888 --> 01:41:39,756
to if the task force gets its

3181
01:41:39,756 --> 01:41:40,656
recommendations done by

3182
01:41:40,656 --> 01:41:42,359
DECEMBER, JANUARY?

3183
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:43,427
>> What if they got it done

3184
01:41:43,427 --> 01:41:44,661
beforehand? I mean, there's no

3185
01:41:44,661 --> 01:41:45,280
reason why they might.

3186
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,363
>> Well.

3187
01:41:46,363 --> 01:41:47,931
>> It's government, okay, but

3188
01:41:47,931 --> 01:41:48,432
it's just nature.

3189
01:41:48,432 --> 01:41:50,432
>> Let's let's.

3190
01:41:50,834 --> 01:41:53,834
>> Work it backwards. Okay, so

3191
01:41:54,103 --> 01:41:56,240
we have a proposal for

3192
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:58,375
SEPTEMBER 27th and AUGUST.

3193
01:41:58,375 --> 01:41:59,576
SEPTEMBER is 13 months. OCTOBER

3194
01:41:59,576 --> 01:42:02,576
would be 14 months. I'm writing

3195
01:42:03,780 --> 01:42:05,215
this down so I don't forget. So

3196
01:42:05,215 --> 01:42:06,350
it's still it would have to be

3197
01:42:06,350 --> 01:42:07,351
a zra (Zoning Regulation

3198
01:42:07,351 --> 01:42:09,152
Amendment). So it would still

3199
01:42:09,152 --> 01:42:10,153
have to be working its way

3200
01:42:10,153 --> 01:42:11,354
through that process. Right.

3201
01:42:11,354 --> 01:42:13,155
And that would, it would still

3202
01:42:13,155 --> 01:42:14,358
have to like go before the

3203
01:42:14,358 --> 01:42:15,424
Planning Board do be the public

3204
01:42:15,424 --> 01:42:17,227
hearing, have a technical staff

3205
01:42:17,227 --> 01:42:18,862
report and then come to the

3206
01:42:18,862 --> 01:42:20,296
council. So in trying to plan

3207
01:42:20,296 --> 01:42:21,531
out the time, I wanted to make

3208
01:42:21,531 --> 01:42:23,266
sure I thought, okay, well,

3209
01:42:23,266 --> 01:42:24,968
they could still all that could

3210
01:42:24,968 --> 01:42:26,436
still happen. While council is

3211
01:42:26,436 --> 01:42:28,272
doing budget and everything

3212
01:42:28,272 --> 01:42:30,390
else, but they're going to need

3213
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:31,474
time to finish that process

3214
01:42:31,474 --> 01:42:32,743
before the council gets it.

3215
01:42:32,743 --> 01:42:33,977
>> And it's probably not

3216
01:42:33,977 --> 01:42:36,790
something you want to do during

3217
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:39,790
JULY, even though they're not

3218
01:42:40,820 --> 01:42:43,820
on recess. But it's somewhat

3219
01:42:44,488 --> 01:42:47,658
like recess. So get us to

3220
01:42:47,658 --> 01:42:48,926
SEPTEMBER. That's okay.

3221
01:42:48,926 --> 01:42:50,727
>> Well, I, I would just like

3222
01:42:50,727 --> 01:42:51,895
some clarity, I think, from the

3223
01:42:51,895 --> 01:42:55,495
Office of Law on this about

3224
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,269
when if we say 13 months, does

3225
01:42:59,269 --> 01:43:01,838
that end? That would end on the

3226
01:43:01,838 --> 01:43:03,807
around the first Monday,

3227
01:43:03,807 --> 01:43:05,642
because then we're ending

3228
01:43:05,642 --> 01:43:08,642
without an opportunity to pass

3229
01:43:12,516 --> 01:43:15,180
something. Is that am I mapping?

3230
01:43:15,180 --> 01:43:17,418
Is my math mapping.

3231
01:43:17,955 --> 01:43:20,122
>> So what's your what's what's

3232
01:43:20,122 --> 01:43:23,293
your what's your day 61 for the

3233
01:43:23,293 --> 01:43:23,627
effective date, where are you

3234
01:43:23,627 --> 01:43:25,627
roughly?

3235
01:43:28,298 --> 01:43:29,131
>> I'll do it.

3236
01:43:29,131 --> 01:43:31,131
>> Today.

3237
01:43:44,114 --> 01:43:46,514
>> Since first. Six seven.

3238
01:43:59,296 --> 01:44:01,131
>> Did you did you build it?

3239
01:44:01,131 --> 01:44:03,233
>> I mean, you figure if the

3240
01:44:03,233 --> 01:44:06,670
task force can get wrapped up

3241
01:44:06,670 --> 01:44:08,405
by JANUARY, FEBRUARY dp's give

3242
01:44:08,405 --> 01:44:10,874
them two months to draft. The

3243
01:44:10,874 --> 01:44:13,110
bill gets pre filed in APRIL

3244
01:44:13,110 --> 01:44:14,411
not not pre filed but gets gets

3245
01:44:14,411 --> 01:44:16,880
to the Planning board technical

3246
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:20,450
staff by APRIL. They go through

3247
01:44:20,450 --> 01:44:23,200
APRIL MAY maybe it even gets

3248
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:24,860
pre filed in JUNE or JULY. But

3249
01:44:24,860 --> 01:44:25,222
the council doesn't have to

3250
01:44:25,222 --> 01:44:27,691
take action on it until

3251
01:44:27,691 --> 01:44:30,910
SEPTEMBER. AUGUST. Like that's

3252
01:44:30,561 --> 01:44:31,395
that's fine.

3253
01:44:31,395 --> 01:44:32,829
>> Okay. Wait.

3254
01:44:32,829 --> 01:44:34,564
>> Or or instead of doing 18

3255
01:44:34,564 --> 01:44:36,365
months, we could just pick the

3256
01:44:36,365 --> 01:44:36,867
month. Yes, we.

3257
01:44:36,867 --> 01:44:38,867
>> Could just.

3258
01:44:40,437 --> 01:44:42,506
>> Say OCTOBER. We could say

3259
01:44:42,506 --> 01:44:43,506
OCTOBER 31st, 2027 or SEPTEMBER.

3260
01:44:43,506 --> 01:44:44,508
>> Yeah, yeah, that's.

3261
01:44:44,508 --> 01:44:45,676
>> That's fair. OCTOBER,

3262
01:44:45,676 --> 01:44:47,511
whatever that first Monday is,

3263
01:44:47,511 --> 01:44:47,945
we could set it for right after

3264
01:44:47,945 --> 01:44:49,512
that first Monday.

3265
01:44:49,512 --> 01:44:49,780
>> Sounds good to me.

3266
01:44:49,780 --> 01:44:51,215
>> Okay.

3267
01:44:51,215 --> 01:44:52,549
>> So is that so.

3268
01:44:52,549 --> 01:44:54,418
>> Would you redo your

3269
01:44:54,418 --> 01:44:55,586
amendment for to amendment two.

3270
01:44:55,586 --> 01:44:57,287
>> Instead of instead.

3271
01:44:57,287 --> 01:44:58,454
>> Of 18 months, it'll say.

3272
01:44:58,454 --> 01:45:00,591
>> Instead of subbing in 12

3273
01:45:00,591 --> 01:45:01,692
months for 18 months, just take

3274
01:45:01,692 --> 01:45:04,692
out where it references number

3275
01:45:04,827 --> 01:45:08,427
of months and say that not

3276
01:45:08,765 --> 01:45:11,680
expires, you know, on or before

3277
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:12,690
would we say OCTOBER 30th 1st.

3278
01:45:12,690 --> 01:45:13,170
>> Or NOVEMBER 1st?

3279
01:45:13,170 --> 01:45:14,972
>> OCTOBER 31st, I think is

3280
01:45:14,972 --> 01:45:17,407
great because that gives you a

3281
01:45:17,407 --> 01:45:19,943
good window. But that is a

3282
01:45:19,943 --> 01:45:20,744
Sunday, maybe NOVEMBER 2nd.

3283
01:45:20,744 --> 01:45:21,478
NOVEMBER 2nd. That covers you

3284
01:45:21,478 --> 01:45:22,479
on the Monday.

3285
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,381
>> Okay, there we go.

3286
01:45:24,381 --> 01:45:25,414
>> And drops you right on the

3287
01:45:25,414 --> 01:45:27,216
Tuesday is the second.

3288
01:45:27,216 --> 01:45:28,652
>> So is that cool? NOVEMBER

3289
01:45:28,652 --> 01:45:28,919
2nd, 2027. Okay. Is there a

3290
01:45:28,919 --> 01:45:29,653
second.

3291
01:45:29,653 --> 01:45:31,653
>> Second, second.

3292
01:45:31,855 --> 01:45:34,690
>> Okay. It has been moved and

3293
01:45:34,690 --> 01:45:37,900
seconded to approve amendment

3294
01:45:37,594 --> 01:45:40,430
four to amendment two, which

3295
01:45:40,430 --> 01:45:44,300
takes out on page five. Line

3296
01:45:44,340 --> 01:45:47,634
six. No, not no later than 18

3297
01:45:48,739 --> 01:45:51,207
months. And places in there no

3298
01:45:51,207 --> 01:45:53,607
later than NOVEMBER 2nd, 2027.

3299
01:45:54,711 --> 01:45:57,111
Any discussion? MISS Harriet,

3300
01:45:57,748 --> 01:46:00,500
could you please call the vote?

3301
01:46:00,500 --> 01:46:02,286
>> I just want to. You had MR.

3302
01:46:02,286 --> 01:46:04,686
Allman, you have 2027, correct?

3303
01:46:05,656 --> 01:46:07,858
Yes. Okay. Chair Jones.

3304
01:46:07,858 --> 01:46:08,959
>> Oh, yes.

3305
01:46:08,959 --> 01:46:09,726
>> MISS Young.

3306
01:46:09,726 --> 01:46:10,327
>> Yes.

3307
01:46:10,327 --> 01:46:11,940
>> MISS Rigby.

3308
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:13,940
>> Yes.

3309
01:46:13,564 --> 01:46:15,399
>> MISS Walsh no. MR. Yungmann.

3310
01:46:15,399 --> 01:46:17,399
Yes.

3311
01:46:17,634 --> 01:46:19,200
>> Okay. The motion to approve

3312
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:22,200
amendment four to amendment two

3313
01:46:22,572 --> 01:46:25,108
to cb 31 passes. All right. We

3314
01:46:25,108 --> 01:46:28,450
are back to amendment two, as

3315
01:46:28,450 --> 01:46:30,180
amended to cb 31. Any further

3316
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:30,881
discussion on amendment two?

3317
01:46:30,881 --> 01:46:32,881
MISS Eric.

3318
01:46:33,483 --> 01:46:37,540
>> Can we just. Okay, so now

3319
01:46:37,540 --> 01:46:38,550
amendment two includes the

3320
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:40,455
council members nominate a

3321
01:46:42,459 --> 01:46:44,161
member. There are. How many

3322
01:46:44,161 --> 01:46:45,963
there are. There are 11 people

3323
01:46:45,963 --> 01:46:47,764
on the task force.

3324
01:46:47,764 --> 01:46:49,764
>> Correct?

3325
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,269
>> Four appointed by the county

3326
01:46:53,269 --> 01:46:55,806
executive. Six six. Up to six

3327
01:46:55,806 --> 01:46:57,941
six. No more than okay. And

3328
01:46:57,941 --> 01:46:58,909
five are appointed by the

3329
01:46:58,909 --> 01:46:59,976
County Council members.

3330
01:46:59,976 --> 01:47:01,976
>> Correct.

3331
01:47:05,816 --> 01:47:09,416
>> And then. And then the the

3332
01:47:09,620 --> 01:47:11,954
task force will end on NOVEMBER

3333
01:47:11,954 --> 01:47:12,990
2nd,

3334
01:47:12,990 --> 01:47:13,557
>> 2027, 2027.

3335
01:47:13,557 --> 01:47:15,557
>> The moratorium.

3336
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,960
>> Would the moratorium, the

3337
01:47:19,162 --> 01:47:19,829
moratorium. Right. The

3338
01:47:19,829 --> 01:47:20,964
moratorium. Okay.

3339
01:47:20,964 --> 01:47:23,364
>> All right. So that's

3340
01:47:23,867 --> 01:47:25,302
amendment two. Any further

3341
01:47:25,302 --> 01:47:26,103
discussion, MISS Harris, please

3342
01:47:26,103 --> 01:47:27,204
call the vote.

3343
01:47:27,204 --> 01:47:27,437
>> Chair. Jones.

3344
01:47:27,437 --> 01:47:28,572
>> Yes.

3345
01:47:28,572 --> 01:47:28,906
>> MISS Young.

3346
01:47:28,906 --> 01:47:29,940
>> Yes.

3347
01:47:29,940 --> 01:47:30,340
>> MISS Rigby.

3348
01:47:30,340 --> 01:47:32,340
>> Yes.

3349
01:47:32,909 --> 01:47:34,478
>> MISS Walsh.

3350
01:47:34,478 --> 01:47:35,912
>> I presume the bill sponsor

3351
01:47:35,912 --> 01:47:37,130
knows that a lot of the

3352
01:47:37,130 --> 01:47:38,215
advocates who asked for this

3353
01:47:38,215 --> 01:47:40,500
bill in the first place are

3354
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:41,450
unhappy with this amendment.

3355
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:43,554
When it was first introduced,

3356
01:47:43,554 --> 01:47:46,823
pre filed and put forth in

3357
01:47:46,823 --> 01:47:49,223
public hearing, it was

3358
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:51,561
presented as as a way to to

3359
01:47:51,561 --> 01:47:53,630
take a reasonable pause on

3360
01:47:53,630 --> 01:47:56,600
something that was viewed as as

3361
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,600
potentially calamitous to

3362
01:47:58,735 --> 01:48:01,135
environment, electric usage and

3363
01:48:01,905 --> 01:48:03,906
all sorts of other downstream

3364
01:48:03,906 --> 01:48:05,906
consequences. This amendment

3365
01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:09,790
that was filed only Thursday

3366
01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:10,246
seems to throw a giant wrench

3367
01:48:10,246 --> 01:48:11,515
in that. And those same

3368
01:48:11,515 --> 01:48:13,350
advocates have asked, at least

3369
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:15,219
some of us not even to sponsor

3370
01:48:15,219 --> 01:48:16,753
or to to vote in support of

3371
01:48:16,753 --> 01:48:19,690
this bill. Overall, I've seen

3372
01:48:19,690 --> 01:48:21,158
this council delete my bills or

3373
01:48:21,158 --> 01:48:22,526
dilute my bills over and over

3374
01:48:22,526 --> 01:48:24,361
again by amendment. But this

3375
01:48:24,361 --> 01:48:27,297
notion of diluting one's own

3376
01:48:27,297 --> 01:48:30,897
bill by your own amendment was

3377
01:48:31,869 --> 01:48:34,371
a new a new spin on things. I.

3378
01:48:34,371 --> 01:48:37,206
I cannot vote in support of

3379
01:48:37,206 --> 01:48:39,206
this amendment to.

3380
01:48:40,143 --> 01:48:40,878
>> MR. Yungmann.

3381
01:48:40,878 --> 01:48:42,411
>> Yes.

3382
01:48:42,411 --> 01:48:44,815
>> Okay. The motion to approve

3383
01:48:44,815 --> 01:48:46,650
amendment two to cb 31 passes.

3384
01:48:46,650 --> 01:48:49,860
We are now back to the main

3385
01:48:49,860 --> 01:48:52,860
motion to approve cb 31, as

3386
01:48:52,823 --> 01:48:53,857
amended. Any further discussion?

3387
01:48:53,857 --> 01:48:54,191
MISS Heritage, please call the

3388
01:48:54,191 --> 01:48:54,925
vote.

3389
01:48:54,925 --> 01:48:55,993
>> Chair.

3390
01:48:55,993 --> 01:48:57,600
>> Jones yes.

3391
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:57,527
>> MISS Young.

3392
01:48:57,527 --> 01:48:58,629
>> Yes.

3393
01:48:58,629 --> 01:49:00,197
>> MISS Rigby.

3394
01:49:00,197 --> 01:49:01,497
>> I'm gonna take a little bit

3395
01:49:01,497 --> 01:49:03,300
more of a minute because it's

3396
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:06,904
not just a pause, it's a pause

3397
01:49:06,904 --> 01:49:09,338
with purpose. So we really need

3398
01:49:09,338 --> 01:49:11,108
to update our outdated

3399
01:49:11,108 --> 01:49:13,508
regulations that were last

3400
01:49:13,977 --> 01:49:16,914
really put in around 1993. So

3401
01:49:16,914 --> 01:49:19,116
this is not just a pause to say

3402
01:49:19,116 --> 01:49:21,518
hold on calamity. It's actually

3403
01:49:21,518 --> 01:49:22,653
a pause to make meaningful

3404
01:49:22,653 --> 01:49:24,653
recommendations and create

3405
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:26,956
meaningful change. And we've

3406
01:49:26,956 --> 01:49:29,493
just discussed the timeline to

3407
01:49:29,493 --> 01:49:30,961
do that. And it doesn't. It's

3408
01:49:30,961 --> 01:49:33,130
important to take into

3409
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:34,197
consideration the real world

3410
01:49:34,197 --> 01:49:36,366
responsibilities that the next

3411
01:49:36,366 --> 01:49:37,834
group is going to have to deal

3412
01:49:37,834 --> 01:49:39,937
with. So that's why the

3413
01:49:39,937 --> 01:49:41,672
timeline matters. Our community

3414
01:49:41,672 --> 01:49:43,500
already has many smaller data

3415
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:45,405
centers that are responsible

3416
01:49:46,176 --> 01:49:48,545
for securing state, local and

3417
01:49:48,545 --> 01:49:50,280
federal information. But as we

3418
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,683
continue to grow, we know that

3419
01:49:52,683 --> 01:49:53,849
in this modern world that data

3420
01:49:53,849 --> 01:49:55,786
centers will grow. But we have

3421
01:49:55,786 --> 01:49:57,254
to ensure that any of that

3422
01:49:57,254 --> 01:49:59,523
growth is occurring in a way

3423
01:49:59,523 --> 01:50:00,891
that is thoughtful and

3424
01:50:00,891 --> 01:50:02,392
respectful to our residents and

3425
01:50:02,392 --> 01:50:03,926
businesses that are here, and

3426
01:50:03,926 --> 01:50:05,529
to the planet that we all

3427
01:50:05,529 --> 01:50:07,464
inhabit. A moratorium and a

3428
01:50:07,464 --> 01:50:09,132
task force provide the county

3429
01:50:09,132 --> 01:50:10,601
with the appropriate time to

3430
01:50:10,601 --> 01:50:12,350
study the impacts of data

3431
01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:14,171
centers, engage with residents

3432
01:50:14,171 --> 01:50:16,390
and stakeholders, and develop

3433
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:17,140
appropriate policies, zoning

3434
01:50:17,140 --> 01:50:18,976
regulations and performance

3435
01:50:18,976 --> 01:50:20,976
standard recommendations. My

3436
01:50:21,110 --> 01:50:23,146
vote is yes, and I appreciate

3437
01:50:23,146 --> 01:50:25,148
my colleagues. Thank you.

3438
01:50:25,148 --> 01:50:27,148
>> MISS Walsh.

3439
01:50:27,718 --> 01:50:30,654
>> a lot of Tory, a lot of Tory

3440
01:50:30,654 --> 01:50:31,788
and and fanfare rhetoric that

3441
01:50:31,788 --> 01:50:33,323
accompanied the introduction of

3442
01:50:33,323 --> 01:50:36,923
this bill does not match up

3443
01:50:37,226 --> 01:50:38,295
with where it has landed. And

3444
01:50:38,295 --> 01:50:40,295
notwithstanding, various

3445
01:50:41,131 --> 01:50:44,368
advocates ask that I vote no.

3446
01:50:44,368 --> 01:50:47,638
Nonetheless, I do support a ban

3447
01:50:47,638 --> 01:50:50,507
or a pause of any sort so that

3448
01:50:50,507 --> 01:50:52,309
at least some pretense of

3449
01:50:52,309 --> 01:50:54,309
independent analysis can

3450
01:50:54,611 --> 01:50:56,790
proceed. Whether that actually

3451
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:57,347
happens. And certainly I feel

3452
01:50:57,347 --> 01:50:59,550
like that's less likely to

3453
01:50:59,550 --> 01:51:01,685
happen, given these amendments

3454
01:51:01,685 --> 01:51:03,520
that have passed this evening,

3455
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,355
which remains to be seen. But

3456
01:51:05,355 --> 01:51:06,355
for now, my vote is yes.

3457
01:51:06,355 --> 01:51:08,355
>> MR. Yungmann.

3458
01:51:09,226 --> 01:51:11,626
>> I certainly understand the

3459
01:51:13,196 --> 01:51:14,665
the pushback by some for us to

3460
01:51:14,665 --> 01:51:16,300
for us to do this. But the

3461
01:51:16,300 --> 01:51:18,635
reality is, is we're not alone

3462
01:51:18,635 --> 01:51:20,570
doing this. Just pretty much

3463
01:51:20,570 --> 01:51:21,805
everybody around, all the

3464
01:51:21,805 --> 01:51:24,740
counties around us are doing

3465
01:51:24,740 --> 01:51:25,876
this. And while I don't want to

3466
01:51:25,876 --> 01:51:27,177
put the brakes on business

3467
01:51:27,177 --> 01:51:29,177
development, existing

3468
01:51:29,780 --> 01:51:31,949
businesses need to pay electric

3469
01:51:31,949 --> 01:51:34,484
bills and just have their water

3470
01:51:34,484 --> 01:51:37,588
bills go up. And we've got to

3471
01:51:37,588 --> 01:51:41,580
figure out the impact of these

3472
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:42,693
things on those somewhat scarce

3473
01:51:42,693 --> 01:51:45,930
and expensive resources right

3474
01:51:45,395 --> 01:51:47,795
now. I appreciate shortening

3475
01:51:49,333 --> 01:51:51,340
the time up a little bit. This

3476
01:51:51,340 --> 01:51:53,570
just seems like a balanced

3477
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:55,380
approach to, to just biting the

3478
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:56,940
bullet and knowing that we have

3479
01:51:56,940 --> 01:51:58,976
to rewrite some code. And I

3480
01:51:58,976 --> 01:52:01,845
appreciate you for putting it

3481
01:52:01,845 --> 01:52:04,248
out there. So I vote yes.

3482
01:52:04,248 --> 01:52:06,917
>> All right. The motion to

3483
01:52:06,917 --> 01:52:09,317
approve cb 31, as amended

3484
01:52:10,153 --> 01:52:11,321
passes.

3485
01:52:11,321 --> 01:52:12,154
>> It's a tabled. We have.

3486
01:52:12,154 --> 01:52:13,257
>> To.

3487
01:52:13,257 --> 01:52:14,790
>> Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

3488
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:16,790
>> Cool.

3489
01:52:16,793 --> 01:52:19,496
>> Give me a second. Give me a

3490
01:52:19,496 --> 01:52:20,964
second. I move to remove kr six

3491
01:52:20,964 --> 01:52:21,231
2026 from the table.

3492
01:52:21,231 --> 01:52:23,320
>> Second.

3493
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:24,234
>> The motion to remove kr six

3494
01:52:24,234 --> 01:52:25,969
from the table has been moved

3495
01:52:25,969 --> 01:52:27,104
and seconded. Sir, could you

3496
01:52:27,104 --> 01:52:28,171
please call the vote chair?

3497
01:52:28,171 --> 01:52:29,139
Jones yes.

3498
01:52:29,139 --> 01:52:29,473
>> MISS Young.

3499
01:52:29,473 --> 01:52:31,473
>> Yes.

3500
01:52:31,641 --> 01:52:33,142
>> MISS Rigby yes, MISS Walsh,

3501
01:52:33,142 --> 01:52:34,111
yes. MR. Youngman.

3502
01:52:34,111 --> 01:52:36,111
>> Yes.

3503
01:52:37,748 --> 01:52:39,182
>> The motion to remove kr six

3504
01:52:39,182 --> 01:52:41,582
2026 from the table passes.

3505
01:52:41,885 --> 01:52:43,320
>> Council Resolution six, 2026

3506
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:44,988
appointment of James r Bartlett

3507
01:52:44,988 --> 01:52:46,230
to the Historic Preservation

3508
01:52:46,230 --> 01:52:48,230
Commission.

3509
01:52:48,759 --> 01:52:51,161
>> I move to approve kr six,

3510
01:52:51,161 --> 01:52:51,427
2026.

3511
01:52:51,427 --> 01:52:53,163
>> Second.

3512
01:52:53,163 --> 01:52:55,980
>> I move to approve amendment

3513
01:52:55,980 --> 01:52:55,399
one to kr six.

3514
01:52:55,399 --> 01:52:56,199
>> Second.

3515
01:52:56,199 --> 01:52:57,568
>> MISS Sager.

3516
01:52:57,568 --> 01:52:58,802
>> Sure. Amendment one changes

3517
01:52:58,802 --> 01:53:00,170
the expiration of the

3518
01:53:00,170 --> 01:53:02,406
appointment since he was filed

3519
01:53:02,406 --> 01:53:04,474
almost six months ago, so not

3520
01:53:04,474 --> 01:53:04,641
so as to not cut his term short

3521
01:53:04,641 --> 01:53:05,609
by.

3522
01:53:05,609 --> 01:53:07,444
>> Okay, okay.

3523
01:53:07,444 --> 01:53:09,790
>> Thank you. Amendment one to

3524
01:53:09,790 --> 01:53:12,820
kr six has been moved and

3525
01:53:12,820 --> 01:53:13,317
seconded. Any discussion? MISS,

3526
01:53:13,317 --> 01:53:14,818
could you please call the vote

3527
01:53:14,818 --> 01:53:15,519
chair? Jones yes.

3528
01:53:15,519 --> 01:53:15,886
>> MISS Young.

3529
01:53:15,886 --> 01:53:17,886
>> Yes.

3530
01:53:18,522 --> 01:53:19,889
>> MISS Rigby yes. MISS Walsh

3531
01:53:19,889 --> 01:53:20,957
yes. MR. Yungmann.

3532
01:53:20,957 --> 01:53:22,525
>> Yes.

3533
01:53:22,525 --> 01:53:23,927
>> The motion to approve

3534
01:53:23,927 --> 01:53:25,596
amendment one. The kr six

3535
01:53:25,596 --> 01:53:28,130
passes. We're now back to the

3536
01:53:28,130 --> 01:53:30,834
main motion of approving kr six.

3537
01:53:30,834 --> 01:53:31,969
Any further discussion? MISS

3538
01:53:31,969 --> 01:53:32,736
Harry, could you please call

3539
01:53:32,736 --> 01:53:33,103
the vote.

3540
01:53:33,103 --> 01:53:33,837
>> Chair Jones.

3541
01:53:33,837 --> 01:53:34,738
>> Yes.

3542
01:53:34,738 --> 01:53:34,972
>> MISS Young.

3543
01:53:34,972 --> 01:53:35,873
>> Yes.

3544
01:53:35,873 --> 01:53:36,106
>> MISS Rigby.

3545
01:53:36,106 --> 01:53:38,106
>> Yes.

3546
01:53:38,408 --> 01:53:39,420
>> MISS Walsh yes. MR. Yungmann.

3547
01:53:39,420 --> 01:53:40,810
>> Yes.

3548
01:53:40,810 --> 01:53:43,614
>> The motion to approve kr six,

3549
01:53:43,614 --> 01:53:45,849
as amended, passes. This

3550
01:53:45,849 --> 01:53:47,651
concludes our JUNE legislative

3551
01:53:47,651 --> 01:53:49,720
session. We are adjourned.

3552
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:50,000
Thank you. Have a wonderful