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We just got the bill for the September
planning commission meeting over

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I would imagine they charge
people tend to forget. Just get a bigger

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venue.

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You can actually see out there.
>> You can actually see out there.

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» I see over here.
You know

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» he looked at

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peasants forever.
>> Yeah.

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You guys ready?
>> Ready.

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» 6:30 we'll open the meeting.
>> Roll call.

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» Mike Codington
>> here.

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» Sue Doss
>> here.

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» Jonathan Hoenstein
>> here.

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» Matt Counts
>> here.

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» Tim Bull
>> present.

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» Shane Fagan
>> here.

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» Bob Wilson
>> here.

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» Please join me in the pledge to the
flag.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Called to the board. Any additions or
subtractions to the agenda?

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» Mr. Supervisor, if I may.
>> Sure. Uh,

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I believe we need to add approval of the
agenda to the agenda. It's perhaps

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implied, but it is not part of the
agenda.

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As well as I would motion to move the
call to the public before the data

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center moratorum
ordinance discussion.

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» Okay. So, regarding the call to the
board, that's what we're doing is

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approving the agenda under the call to
the board.

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» Okay. And then under the ordinance and
the call to the public, the intention is

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to have the board discussion, deviate
the agenda to call to the public, listen

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to call to the public, deviate back to
the discussion, and have the vote.

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» Understood.
>> That satisfy

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me. Yes.
>> All right. So, is there a motion to

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approve the agenda? Move to approve the
agenda as presented.

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» Support.
>> Motion by Hoenstein, second by Doss.

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Discussion. All those in favor?
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» opposed. Motion carries. Approval of the
minutes of the regular board meeting for

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October 14th.

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» Move to accept the minutes from October
14th as presented.

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» Motion by Hoenstein, second by Counc.
Discussion.

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All those in favor? I
>> I opposed.

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» Motion carries. Dat data center
moratorum ordinance.

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Mr. Patterson.
>> Uh Chris Patterson. I hope everyone can

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hear me. Township council. I'm getting
good noise. So I think that that's true.

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Um wanted to sort of present the
mortorium. Our office did prepare it at

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direction from the township board at a
prior meeting and I thought it was

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helpful. I wanted to ensure that at
least in the conversation related to the

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moratorum that's in the packet that we
had a good understanding of how it

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worked. So a little bit of background on
it and then um particularly and I'll

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talk about the actual moratorum
ordinance the content that's in it. I

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did um provide on your table when you
sat down just a really simple flowchart

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between what looks like two sort of
scenarios and I'll discuss those uh so

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that you're aware of what they say but
it was only for purposes of sort of a a

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graphical representation of what I'm
going to actually then uh speak to. So,

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with respect to sign of kind of why
we're here, um, township board, I think,

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directed the drafting of of a moratorum
to look at basically putting a pause on

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the review and sighting of actual zoning
applications for purposes of a data

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center or data processing. And I think
you'll see I'm going to try to hit on

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this point, but the real key that's in
the moratorium and the direction is

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looking at the actual use and sighting
of a data center in processing. And I'll

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get to the the distinctions. Now, under
the How Township zoning ordinance, you

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currently have data processing. You
don't have a definition or elicit use

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for data center. So, the idea is to take
a look at that use itself and determine

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if you were to site it to a specific
piece of property um what those

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standards may look like. And of course,
right now, data processing is listed in

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research and technology. So, it would
look at expanding on that. I understand

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the board have sort of directed that
conversation to a committee. So this

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moratorium is really designed to sort of
support that process while they're going

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through that ordinance review and they
bring back those legislative

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recommendations. We would be putting
sort of a freeze as they essentially say

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on the review and the processing of
specific applications to site the use on

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a specific piece of property. Now, the
Michigan Zoning Enabling Act itself

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doesn't specifically address
moratoriums, but they're generally

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supported by US Supreme Court case law
and other case law that is an

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appropriate use for zoning tools to make
sure that we don't create any

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inconsistencies in a land use while
we're working at developing what may be

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standards that come from the actual
committee itself. One thing though

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that's always important with zoning,
zoning is always a balance of looking at

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individual pieces of property. So you'll
see when I talk through the actual

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sections in the ordinance, there is a
part that's in the ordinance that's for

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a waiver and that's to really look at
people's due process rights and just

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ensure that there isn't any facial
taking of anybody's property rights in

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the process. This would sort of be uh a
safety valve or a gap just for

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additional sort of legal defense, a
conservative approach to make sure that

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if there's some situation in adopting a
blanket moratorum that hasn't been

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completely considered, the board would
always have an ability to look at that

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more that waiver piece which I'll get to
and address that situation on a

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case-byase basis. Um looking at the
actual moratorum language itself. So

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that was in the packet and I just wanted
to highlight a couple pieces and then in

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doing so we can talk through sort of the
flowchart because one of the things that

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I think is important particularly I
think um relevant to even the public's

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attendance is the current pending
resoning application. So we do need to

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think about the moratorum in relation to
the adoption of that moratorum, its

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effective date and then what its impact
is on the current pending resoning that

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was already started to be processed and
we had a recommendation out of the

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planning commission.
The moratorium ordinance itself, if we

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go to section one, um that's really
where the rubber meets the road. So

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that's the piece that specifically
indicates we're putting a blanket

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prohibition on establishment of the use
of data centers and that would be the

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approval. But it's important to realize
that when we think about the application

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of of actually allowing the use to be
approved in the zoning context, we're

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talking about administrative requests.
So site plans, special use permits, the

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actual documents that would get
presented to us later in a process. that

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is not cons that is not the same as the
legislative request that's being asked

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to do a resoning because a resoning
that's being presented currently is a

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change in use. That's a legislative
decision to ask to change that current

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A1 district to a different use district
research and technology and decide if

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you're okay with that use district
change. So, I just want to be clear that

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section one currently is focused on if
enacted by the board, it would not allow

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the review and approval of an actual
application to site a data center. So, a

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site plan or a special use permit,
whatever gets recommended out of the

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committee that gets adopted through the
planning commission and zoning process.

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It's not addressing the legislative
action that's being requested of the

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township. the reszoning that that's
basically an amendment to the map. That

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map's a part of the zoning ordinance and
that power ultimately rests with this

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board. So, you don't need to put a pause
on that. It's your decision as to how

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you take that up. So, I just want to be
clear about that. Section one is

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designed to prohibit, if in place, for
the term of the moratorum, the review

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and the sighting of zoning application
requests for site plans or special use

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permits. completely separate from the
legislative request that's currently

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pending the reszoning to determine
whether you would reszone A1 to RT.

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Um
the term and this also dubtales with the

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waiver. So the term is set up for 6
months or unless the township board uh

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adopts something extending it or if we
get an ordinance in effect that

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essentially deals with the reason you're
putting this moratorum in place. The way

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that the common law works is it supports
a freeze on these temporary uses during

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the time that we're trying to prepare
and draft that new legislative policy.

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So we don't cause any conflicts with
sort of deciding how we would site a use

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now in relation to something that we
might get in a couple months. Whatever

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gets recommended through that process
and we don't necessarily know exactly

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how long it will take. You have to go
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My understanding is probably the
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will start working on something that
gets recommended out and so it gives you

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some time to sort of have that process
play because it is a complete

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prohibition. So no uses can be reviewed
or applied for. Our current zoning

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ordinance would allow you to apply for
data processing if you were in the right

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use district. Right? It's already
listed. It's been listed in there. And

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so to just deal with anybody who would
look at the zoning ordinance and say,

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"Well, wait. I'm allowed to apply for
this use today on properly zoned

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property. Um, but now I have a moratorum
in place that's impacting my ability to

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proceed. The waiver is just designed to
deal with those case-bycase uses. If

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someone were to present a situation that
we're not all aware of today, then

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certainly that waiver would be
effectuated. Now, the waiver itself

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still requires a process by the township
board. So, it's not like it's automatic.

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The way the language is written in
section six, um, that waiver still is

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going to require a request. It's still
got to come before the township board

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and that request would have to accompany
itself with sufficient evidence to

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satisfy you all that you think that
that'd be appropriate. But we just put

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that in there as a stop gap. We do it in
we do it in a lot of our moratoriums

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more recently to just deal with some of
the claims that we would get about the

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due process rights and the takings
pieces because you can't figure out

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everything today that might come in the
next six months.

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And then for purposes of moratoriums
adopted as a police power um this one

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we're going to make effective
immediately. realize that we're not

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doing this through the zoning process,
right? So, we're implicating that zoning

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process by doing this, but this is a
police power ordinance. So, something

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that may have to come after this is
obviously doing basically a very similar

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thing through the zoning process. That's
another reason that we allow the waiver

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is just to protect those potential legal
claims. And if there's a case or some

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unusual circumstances the board needs to
address, the waiver does that.

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Now what's what's I think sort of tough
is in the it's one thing to talk in the

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abstract about the different sort of
approval process and the way the

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moratorium plays out in that section
one. So what I did put in front of the

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board was just something pretty simple I
sketched out this morning related to a

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flowchart of what I'm trying to make the
distinction of related to the

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legislative request that's pending
because I just want to make sure there's

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clarity on this before there's action
taken. Um, you currently already have

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the resoning application pending. It's
already been before the planning

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commission, recommended out, sent during
the review period to the county planning

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commission. So, really the last step is
for that to come back to the township

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board for some action to be taken. In a
normal situation, the next step for that

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reasoning review is that the township
board would set it for a meeting. And

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it's your prerogative under the zoning
ordinance if you would set it for a

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public hearing and take it back up or
you actually could just take it to your

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meeting and discuss it. On the first
sheet that has the blue boxes, it says

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scenario one. So this is the scenario
that presents itself as the moratorum is

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drafted and and we put it in the packet.
What it indicates is you currently have

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that application pending. If you adopt a
proposed moratorum,

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you go down the right side. That
resoning request is legislative. That's

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a change of a land use district. It's
not implicated. You could set it for a

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public hearing. you could take action on
that reszoning and then when you come

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back down that moratorum is then is when
the moratorum would still implicate the

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developer could not proceed forward on a
request for an actual site plan or

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special use or whatever gets recommended
out from that committee until after the

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moratorum is over or expires or there's
an ordinance adopted.

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The only way to short circuit that
administrative request during the six

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months the moratorum is in place is on
the left side which is through that

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section six that's in the ordinance.
Right? You'd have to have a waiver filed

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and the waiver would have to be granted
by the board and then only at that point

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could the administrative resoning
request of either currently data

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processing for instance is a site plan.
It's permitted by right in that use

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district. Only then could that use
request proceed for which to actually

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site a data center on a specific piece
of property. Otherwise the moratorum

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then ends and then just like any other
use currently under the zoning ordinance

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it would be it would could be applied
for and it would be processed as the

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zoning ordinance requires. So scenario
one is saying if this board were to be

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inclined to put the moratorum in effect
that reszoning as a separate legislative

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request to change the zoning map to a
different land use would still proceed

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forward. The board would have to decide
what's the timing of meeting again on

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it. A public hearing processing it.
Whatever process whatever you get done

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doing you get to decide if you would
approve or deny that reasonzoning. The

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moratorum is still in place. So once
that action gets done, um if you were to

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deny it, then it's pretty much then you
can't obviously seek any administrative

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approvals on that specific piece of
property because it's not in the right

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land use district. If the reasonzoning
even were approved, however, that

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moratorium is still in place. So it
would require a section six waiver.

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You'd have to take that issue up before
they could seek an administrative zoning

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approval for the actual facility being
pro proposed on a specific piece of

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property.
So then the the second scenario is just

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a situation where and this is what I was
trying to to make sure that there was

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clarity on because sometimes people
would read the moratorum as prohibiting

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and currently including the current
pending application. So I think scenario

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two is what you might have thought and
we just want to make sure this is clear

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with the language that we've drafted. Uh
scenario two would actually have the

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moratorum. Some people might be
believing that moratorum would actually

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uh apply to that reasonzoning and that's
not the case. That's not what drafted.

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But we just wanted to show you the
differences. That's like a straight

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line, right? The mortorium would go into
effect. You'd still have a section six

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waiver, but they'd have to apply for a
waiver before any further action could

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happen. The the reason that we don't
recommend that is because the

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reasonzoning is a legislative act. It
ultimately rests at this board. So you

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would get to determine the timing and
how you would decide to move forward on

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that. Anyways, you don't need a
moratorum to put that in place. The

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moratorum is designed so that staff at
the township, everybody who would

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process the administrative piece of an
actual application knows, hey, township

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board has given us direction. We have a
current ordinance in effect. We are

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basically prohibited from proceeding
forward on that request. So, I just

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wanted those two scenarios for you so
that if you had questions or concerns

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about the moratorum, you completely
understood um those distinctions on how

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that process would play forward. And
then I do think that as it relates to

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looking at the moratorum ordinance,
depending on whether you decide to

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effectuate it or not, of course, if you
don't effectuate it, you're still

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sitting at scenario one essentially
anyways because it's the only current

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application you have pending, right? But
um you still probably need to decide

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then what you're going to do with that
conditional resoning if you're going to

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proceed forward the timing of that
public hearing that you're whatever

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you're doing with respect to that that
piece. So wanted that out there. Wanted

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to make sure that if there were any
questions on the moratorum that we could

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answer those um and then if there was
any other thoughts on it we would be

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sure to clarify those as well.
>> Okay. Any members of the board have

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questions for Chris regarding the this
discussion

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explanation?
>> Mr. Chair, I do.

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» So Chris, what you're what you're
basically saying is is this moratorum is

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only for the application of the building
of a data center. It does nothing to

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affect the resoning request.
>> Correct.

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» So if it's a conditional resoning for a
data center, can you proceed with a

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resoning?
>> Yes.

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So once the resoning is complete, what
if

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that almost guarantees you could put a
data center there? Correct.

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» No. So it all depends because under the
moratorum, if there's no waiver applied

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for, you have limited the ability for
any applications to proceed, right?

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» For six months,
>> correct? Or an extension by resolution

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as decided by the township board. I
would assume that if the purpose of this

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moratorum is to have a committee and the
planning commission work on new

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regulations for the zoning ordinance,
that time is typically going to be

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commensurate with the time it takes for
those changes to get back to you.

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However it is that you are all deciding
to make adjustments to your zoning

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ordinance to deal with the saving of
data centers or data processing.

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So, one of the questions with this with
this particular application is because

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it's a reszoning for a data center and
it's being reszoned to research and

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technology
and I'm not sure there's an agreement

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that that's where a data center should
belong and I think that's part of the

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moratorum is to determine that maybe
further down the line but if it's

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reszoned in the meantime to R&T
and data processing is in there and data

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center doesn't included.
How does that I I guess I'm a little

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confused.
>> So, two things on that. First, the

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conditional reszoning is a legislative
change. You are still reszoning it to

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RT, but you're actually reszoning it to
a narrower land use district. RT only

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permitting the use data center, but
you're not actually citing this specific

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data center in that location. So it's
one step along the process that would

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allow the applicant to then come back
and say, "Well, I now have land zoned

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RT, a use that currently has data
processing, and I have sought my

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approval and only am allowed to do a
data center." So the other use, the

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reason for the conditional resoning, the
other uses that are listed in RT are not

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viable with this legislative decision.
you you can't put them in that zone

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because you've literally reszoned it RT
with the condition that it only can be

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used for a data center use. When that
decision is done, let's go to the next

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step then. So they come back and they
apply and if it comes out as you decide

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it's a special use permit that should be
applied for to site a data center,

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that's still a discretionary decision.
So yes, they would have RT and that that

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land use is correct. You could seek that
type of land use data center for that

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parcel, but you'd still have to review
the special use permit application or

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you'd still have to review a site plan
if you leave it permitted by right. They

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would have to in a site plan situation
satisfy all standards in your ordinance

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to even be deemed to be allowed to then
be constructed at that parcel. If it's a

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special land use, you could still
determine based on looking at those

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discretionary standards that are on the
special use permit piece that this is

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not the the right location for it. So
that question would still be developed

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down the road. It's still a final
decision would have to take place to

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determine whether or not it's an
appropriate location. The the piece that

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you raised, you said there is an open
question we that you would say as to

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whether or not a data center should be
located there. That's a legislative

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decision based on your guidance at the
township board, based on information

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that you currently have in the master
plan, in the zoning ordinance, all the

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things that you that you probably also
heard and were covered at the public

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hearing for the PC. Those are the pieces
that you could act upon to determine

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whether you think it's even appropriate
to put RT out there on that acreage

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» or whether or not a data center should
be an RT period. Should it be in an

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industrial?
>> Right. So what happens if

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» in the during the moratorum when we do
stuff for a data center do an ordinance

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that really encaptures the data center
it doesn't end up in RT I think that's

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really his question what if it ends up
in industrial or industrial flex

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» what does that mean for this property
>> so I think the property is still RT

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conditional resoning is only it's a
approval that automatically will reszone

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back to A1 so if you were to take that
position and move it to industrial and

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it's no longer listed as a use that's
viable in RT then the when the moratorum

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is lifted they could not apply for that
use. It it wouldn't be a use you no you

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no longer listed in your zoning
ordinance.

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So they'd have to turn back around and
they'd have to seek and see if it would

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be appropriate to make it industrial
flex or industrial otherwise it's no

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longer a permitted use in the use
district.

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» Okay.

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» Sorry. So just to clarify if it's if the
resoning goes through let's say we we

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adopt the moratorum and it it doesn't
stop the resoning the resoning can still

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come back it technically at our next
meeting correct

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» yes
>> and it's passed as research and

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technology

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but the moratorum and through the
ordinance that is get develops later

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it's decided a data center ends up in an
industrial classification

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so the reasoning that was done since it
was conditional on R&T reverts back to

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agricultural. Is that what you're
saying?

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» Yes, pretty much. I mean, the applicant
has to have to revert it back, but I

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would think they would have no reason to
leave it as RT if they can't apply for

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the use that's a part of the conditional
resoning. So, yeah, it would revert back

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and they would have to attempt to seek
well, it's their determination, right?

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The I mean, in the zoning process, it's
the applicant and the property owner who

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determines how they want to proceed.
They would have to then presumably if

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they wanted to go further file a new
application to try to reszone to

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industrial if you put it there or
industrial flex to determine is that

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appropriate land use for that acreage.
If you said no, well then you can't site

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it there, right? Because it's not a
permitted use in the A1. So that that no

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nothing could be cited there. If you
decide that well those that acreage it

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it could be viable for industrial flexer
industrial then you're kind of going

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back down you know the path that we're
talking about now. They would get that

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resoning. it'd probably still be
requested as a conditional resoning

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limited to data center. Once they got
the resoning complete, they could then

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come back and apply for
depending on what the ordinance

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amendment does. Either a use permitted
by right or a special use, right? We

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don't know what this ordinance will look
like, but one of those is going to be

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the option because it's the only two
options you have. So, it's either going

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to come back through a site plan review
for actual sighting or for a special use

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permit review
>> because in this particular application,

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one is the text amendment that was that
was attempted to be put in at the

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planning commission level, which will
come back to this board next month, I'm

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assuming, and and that would actually
classify RT for data centers, but

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so far that that hasn't passed the
planning commissions at this point. So

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that was the purpose of the ordinance
was maybe to make it maybe it's an

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industrial use. We don't know because we
haven't had the time to do that. So

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» and so and generally since that final
legislative decision is at the board

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anyways it's your it's it's going to be
your prerogative to determine what is

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the timing to analyze the reasonzoning
or the text amendment right to determine

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how that aligns with what you would
otherwise be reviewing and exploring.

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You don't need the moratorum to prohibit
it because it's a legislative action for

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which rest with this board. the point
that this board would be taking a

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decision, a legislative decision to
adopt the ordinance to put a policy in

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place that says, "Hey, everyone else in
the township, we're not currently

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accepting site plans or special use
permits for data center because we're in

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the process of determining how this land
use fits within the permitted uses of

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our township. Does that make sense? You
you already control the final decision

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on the
>> I guess it does. It just in this

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particular instance, why would you go
through and reszone the property?"

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Well, and and that's a township board
decision. You may determine it's again,

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it's their application, right? So, they
file the application. It goes through

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the statutory process. They're currently
at basically the last step. It rests at

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the township board. Under the MCA, the
pieces that would be left for the

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reasonzoning is one, taking it up at a
regular meeting. to holding a public

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hearing and taking it up at a and I
didn't mean to say regular meeting but a

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meeting of the township board special or
otherwise public hearing take it up at

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the township board or you have the
ability to also refer it back to the

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planning commission. Those are the third
three things that are sort of next in

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the process for this since it's already
been through the planning commission to

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the county planning commission. The
30-day statutory period will pass and

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then it'll be at the it'll be up here at
the township board to determine what to

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do next. If your prerogative is um we're
just not going to do anything with it

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until we see what's going to play out
with ordinance amendments in the zoning

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ordinance, then again that power already
rests here. You don't need an ordinance

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binding this board or another board from
taking future legislative action. You

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already have that power, right? You have
that inherent power now. You get to

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decide the prerogative of the
legislative resoning request.

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» Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
And just so the board knows, um I spoke

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to Scott Barb, county planning director,
and the application, I mean, it was

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considered last night at county
planning. Um they should have the

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application back to the township in time
for the township to consider it at the

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December 8th regular board meeting
should that be the path we go down.

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» Okay. Any other questions? Chris,
>> Mr. Supervisor, I have a question for

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councel.
>> Sure. Um just to address the elephant in

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the room um and I think it's really on
most everybody's mind through a

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moratorum or any other process of the
township is there even a legal path for

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no data center at all in Howell
Township.

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So that

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» uh so given the fact that you've already
sent it to a committee and you're

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deciding what the planning commission
will do with changes to the zoning

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ordinance, it's going to be up through
that legal process to determine where

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the use is permitted. There is one
limitation in the zoning enabling act

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that often comes up which is that we're
not allowed to exclude a use. It's in

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the statutory section but there are some
factors to that exclusionary zoning

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piece. So whether or not you can say is
there a legal process to just bar a data

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center you have to sort of put together
the data to say under some under that

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statutory language whether you satisfy
it. Like for instance is there a

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demonstrated need for data centers in
the township? There's some other pieces

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that come within that provision, but it
it may be after you do that factf

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finding that you might determine that
it's that there are not any appropriate

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locations within the township. For
instance, many are probably very

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familiar with the second amendment the
the situation we had. I mean, the data

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center currently doesn't have any
statutory or constitutional protection.

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So, you get to treat it like a lot of
other normal uses. So you could go

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through that process and you might
determine there's some land use district

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for which you don't even think is viable
for it. But in doing that process you do

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need to satisfy the steps in the zoning
enabling act. I don't and that's not up

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for tonight. You don't need to do it
tonight. But there's a process for which

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you would just make sure that um you're
looking at the extent to which data

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centers would satisfy not being listed
in any use. And it and it is a bar for

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which you just want to analyze and
ensure that you don't impact anybody's

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rights because it can cause some legal
implications. Sure. Understood.

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» I have a question more directed at the
board if I may.

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00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:12,319
» Sure.
>> Um probably be best for you, Mr. Bull,

417
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:18,960
Trusty Bull, uh because you are very
well researched and so familiar. Um do

418
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:26,400
you see appropriate zoning in the
township for this data center? have not

419
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:29,599
at the proposed site location.
Is there is there a better place for it?

420
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,200
I guess is the
>> I think industrial would have to be

421
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:39,520
strongly considered.
The ones I visit visited resemble

422
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:44,000
industrial to me. Now has that research
that would be something that would be

423
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:50,559
done during the moratorum.
And then uh just a follow-up question if

424
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:55,920
I may. Uh industrial and our uh
definitions within our ordinance I

425
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:59,280
believe defines as a processing of
materials or goods. Is that right? Could

426
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,599
you
>> There's several different

427
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:07,119
classifications.
>> Okay. Uh that's all I have, Mr.

428
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,599
Supervisor. Thank you.
>> Anyone else?

429
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,800
» I did have an additional question. Sure,
Mr. Chair. So, so Chris on this second

430
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:20,559
scenario too, there's a reasonzoning
application pending that also covers

431
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,079
resoning application and administrative
zoning approvals, but you're saying this

432
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:28,400
isn't the moratorium that's being
presented to us tonight.

433
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:32,720
» Correct. Can I ask why? Uh for the
reasons that I said because I I think a

434
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:36,319
moratorum looks at the administrative
process to pass the ordinance to look at

435
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:40,319
staff and other individuals. So the way
the zoning ordinance is designed, it

436
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,760
classifies the land uses with sort of
four different bodies that take a role

437
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,599
in it, right? Zoning administrator,
zoning board of appeals, planning

438
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,640
commission, township board, elected
officials at the township board. You you

439
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,079
retain the inherent legislative
authority to determine how these things

440
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,680
would play out anyways. So you don't
need to put a prohibition on your own

441
00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:02,640
legislative authority. And there's some
case law that you as a board should not

442
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:06,800
take an action that would bind a future
board from its power to exercise

443
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:12,240
legislative authority. So we generally
draft moratoriums to have this board

444
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,880
tell those other three players in the
zoning process, zoning, board of

445
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,680
appeals, planning commission, and
particularly the zoning administrator

446
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,280
who's doing the administration piece of
it, that we are not accepting

447
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:26,240
applications and we're not proceeding
them forward. So that that's why it's

448
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,440
presented as only focusing on the
administrative part, not the legislative

449
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,559
piece.
>> Is there a moratorium that does cover

450
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,400
the legislative piece?
>> Uh yeah, I mean you you could decide to

451
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,559
include it. I just don't think it's I
don't think it's exactly consistent with

452
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:45,280
the way that moratoriums are designed.
If you do if you do cover it, the reason

453
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:49,680
that I listed the scenario too um is
that you still have a waiver provision

454
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:53,119
in section six and if that were to
remain then you still can limit some of

455
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,359
the legal problems with deciding to
include uh sort of handcuffing your own

456
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,720
legislative authority at the township
board.

457
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:05,440
So another question that I had not not
necessarily related to this but even if

458
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:11,760
this is adopted the the board approves
this do they have the authority to come

459
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:17,280
back in two months and and negate it
>> legislative authority correct

460
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:22,640
» so yes except for um just the procedural
process is important whenever you adopt

461
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:26,319
a specific formal action there's a
there's a principle out there called the

462
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:30,000
equal dignity doctrine and so to undo it
we would have to follow the same process

463
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:33,040
for for which we did it. Since this is a
police power ordinance, it requires

464
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,400
publication and effective date. We'd
have to do it through another ordinance.

465
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,240
So, yes, you could go and basically
amend this ordinance, right? And you

466
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,839
could repeal it if you so desired in
advance of the expiration date, but it

467
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:48,160
still, right, it still requires some
formality. You'd have to have a draft

468
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,520
repealer, adopt it, and then publish it
so that it's enforceable. You couldn't

469
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,800
just sort of take up a decision later
and say, "Well, we're not going to

470
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,040
follow our own ordinance, and so we're
going to take action on this." I guess

471
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,559
that's the point I'm trying to make.
you'd want to follow the same formality

472
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,520
you are this evening and taking action
on the ordinance

473
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,079
» but the way you're counting the
legislative authority for the

474
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,839
reasonzoning you also have the
legislative authority on this other part

475
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,720
of this the ordinance also
>> I didn't hear that I'm sorry

476
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:16,640
» so you also have the legislative
authority to actually come back and and

477
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,280
negate this or or repeal it
>> yes

478
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,599
» and and before six months
>> yes

479
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:30,640
» it's worthless essentially
>> so why would we do it

480
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:35,040
Uh well again the the you the township
board directed to want a moratorum put

481
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:38,319
in place and again the township board
already determines its own agenda as to

482
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:42,640
how you're going to decide zoning
actions. What you're trying to do though

483
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,240
is that you're not the individuals at
the township hall that are collecting

484
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:49,440
applications, processing them, putting
them before the planning commission.

485
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:53,520
Those are pieces that are written in the
zoning ordinance that say if you file an

486
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,520
application, we shall review it. We'll
get it in front of the planning

487
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:01,839
commission, etc. So the whole point of
this and the reason that that

488
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:05,280
municipalities adopt moratoriums is to
freeze that application process while

489
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,680
you're looking at the legislative
changes that you would like to make to

490
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:12,160
the zoning ordinance. So that that's
your whole point. That's the

491
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,599
understanding for which the township
board directed to be put together.

492
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,440
That's the dovetailing that it has with
the committee. If the committee is

493
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:24,160
looking at the fact that data processing
is not defined, that data processing

494
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:27,839
doesn't have additional standards for
which govern its practice in the current

495
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:31,680
ordinance, right? And it's also a use
permitted by right. It allows you the

496
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:35,839
process to say, look, we'd like to look
at additional standards. We'd like to

497
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:39,520
further research this use. And when we
list it back in that land use district

498
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,440
or you're raising to say you might put
it in another land use district, you're

499
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,520
doing all of that without creating any
inconsistent additional applications

500
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,880
coming through the pipeline. That's the
reason that they're put in place. They

501
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,800
they really are looking at the pipeline
aspect is we don't control right under

502
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,800
the zoning ordinance. We the township
board, we don't receive the

503
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:02,960
applications. We don't process or direct
how they proceed. That's all done

504
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,960
through the administration process. This
action here would put a stop gap on

505
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,480
that. That's the point of it. You stop
coming new stuff coming into the

506
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:14,000
pipeline while you're trying to take a
look at what you want the regulations to

507
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,800
look like. It still has that effect just
like other moratoriums do that

508
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:23,720
municipalities adopt and it still
accomplishes that goal.

509
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,720
» Okay. Thank you.

510
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,720
» Anyone else?
>> I think my questions were answered.

511
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,880
Thank you.
>> Good. I'm good.

512
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:40,960
» Okay.
Uh, I would entertain a motion to

513
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:44,880
deviate to call to the public.
>> Mr. Chair, I'd make the motion to

514
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,920
deviate to the call the public.
>> Support.

515
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,359
» Motion by B, second by Henstein.
Discussion. All those in favor?

516
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,440
» I
>> I

517
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,200
» opposed.
Motion carries.

518
00:55:55,359 --> 00:56:01,680
We'll open up the call to the public.
Uh, we're going to put a twominut time

519
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:08,240
limit on the thing. We'll have a timer
up here for you. Uh just need your name

520
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:11,280
and address for the record
and

521
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,640
» um
>> that should be it.

522
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:17,400
» Okay. Terrific.
>> Hang on one second.

523
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,400
» Hold on. It's not coming on.

524
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:26,319
» Can't display the timer.
>> Bruce,

525
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:31,119
point it back here.
Back to back towards me.

526
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:37,079
the remote.
>> Yeah, we're Yeah, we'll have you line up

527
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,079
along the wall over here. So,

528
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:59,359
» all right. Corey Alen, 800 Sleafford
Road, Howell Township. Um, everybody

529
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:03,359
quiet for just a second. So the reason
we came tonight was so that we would

530
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:08,160
have a moratorum that would stop the
current application. That's not what's

531
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:13,760
happening. So the whole point here that
you guys are here tonight is to make

532
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:17,760
sure this board doesn't vote yes. The
current application for the data center

533
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:22,400
is going to continue. That worthless
moratorum does not do that. You guys

534
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:29,280
need to make sure this board feels the
heat and understands that no is the only

535
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:34,680
answer when they vote.
No is the absolute only answer.

536
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:43,440
You guys have to come back to the next
meetings. This is not the end. But to

537
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:48,880
the board, to each one of you, you have
a chance to get this right.

538
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:53,200
» You got a chance to get this right. And
if you're worried about what happened in

539
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:56,960
Selen here, I'm from Spring Lake and I'm
exploring running for state

540
00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:00,799
representative. So, Michigan has become
an essential target for massive data

541
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:05,520
center developments, specifically in
small towns in Michigan. And I'm very

542
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,920
proud to say that small towns aren't
just going to stay quiet. Um, while

543
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,480
these politicians and companies are
approaching these communities and

544
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:16,160
describing their projects as
opportunities for economic growth, new

545
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:19,160
jobs, and a future built on advanced
technology.

546
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:25,920
It's just not true. And I think it's
vital that we understand that. The truth

547
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,599
is simple. Data centers do not come
without major costs and are too

548
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:34,559
frequently those costs would fall on
these local communities.

549
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,480
» You know, oftentimes data centers try to
sell their ideas that they're going to

550
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:41,920
create jobs, major job creators. In
reality, once the construction phase

551
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,839
ends, these sites would usually only
staff a small number of permanent jobs.

552
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,640
A billion dollar facility might employ
only a few dozen workers long term. Even

553
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:55,280
more alarming, the very technology a of
AI these data centers are helping power

554
00:58:53,119 --> 00:59:02,440
is expected to automate far more jobs
than these senators would ever ever

555
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,440
create. Let it be clear they

556
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,680
» so

557
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:16,240
what this means for these people and I
don't live here but I'm pissed. IT MEANS

558
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,240
HIGHER ELECTRICITY bills for households.
It means more strain on already

559
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:25,200
unreliable Michigan power grids and
greater dependent on fossil fuel.

560
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:29,920
Now this has happened in Salem Township
BL Blendon Township. It's happening in

561
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,000
LOL. It's happening here. Now we're told
that residents are not going to carry

562
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:38,559
these costs. But it's clear major
infrastructure bills always somehow find

563
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,559
their way back to the local taxpayers.
So

564
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:48,240
I want to say we see in Georgia, we've
seen in Iowa, these are dangerous data

565
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:56,200
centers. They take away people's water.
They take away running dry

566
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,200
running dry.

567
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,680
» Thank you.

568
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:17,839
I'm Mary Mto 780 Henderson Howell
Township. I stand in front of the Howell

569
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Township board. All of you are elected
officials. Ultimately, you are entrusted

570
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,920
to care for your constituents. You see
us all here tonight.

571
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:38,079
You care for me, my husband, my
children, my friends, my family. I find

572
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:45,280
myself baffled that you aren't
listening. You're not trusting your

573
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:51,839
public. Your public is begging you to
not bring a data center to our area.

574
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:59,200
We're pleading for you to hear us. Hear
us say we don't want it in any way,

575
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:05,040
shape, or form. It doesn't follow the
master plan.

576
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:12,160
Listen to your township commissioner,
the township planning.

577
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:17,440
Listen to all of us. We don't want it.
We don't need it. It will take away our

578
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:23,760
jobs.
Where is this breakdown coming from?

579
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:28,720
It appears to be motivated by money
driven by unknown promises of of

580
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:33,280
grandeur.
With the Howell Township and Livingston

581
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:40,960
County Planning Commission both
recommending a denial of the reszoning,

582
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:43,960
we the people, the bosses, we implore
you.

583
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:56,000
We are entitled to explore the truth
about the actual impacts that this will

584
01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:02,079
impose on our community. Let's see the
research and the reports, the proof.

585
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:09,359
Listen to your people. We stand united
tonight begging for your respect. We've

586
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:13,880
given it to you. Give it back.
That's all I have. Thank you.

587
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,319
Hello everybody.

588
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:37,599
» Oh god, I've been here too many times.
My name is Charles Smith. I live at 5136

589
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:42,000
Fleming Road, approximately 25 ft from
the proposed data center. I'm going to

590
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:47,119
make this short and sweet. been known to
talk a lot. Some of you folks up here

591
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:52,960
even know me and heard me. Okay.
Deny the reasonzoning and put the

592
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:58,160
moratorum on all future data center
projects. Deny it first. You can do

593
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:03,440
whatever you want to after that, but you
deny it first. Okay, done deal. I heard

594
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,040
so much stuff up here. I'm a halfway
intelligent person and that gentleman

595
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,960
over there talked for so long I saw
people's eyes start rolling back in

596
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:15,359
their heads up there.
Deny it. It's the simplest thing. It's

597
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:22,799
the best thing. It's what everybody in
this place wants.

598
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:28,160
Okay, deny it. Then take the time to go
back look at Okay, you got a moratorum.

599
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:31,280
Hey, I'm all for a moratorium. As a
matter of fact, I'd like to see a year

600
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:38,000
moratorum because if anything else
happens, it's all going up to a vote

601
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:41,920
November of 26 at best worst case
scenario. Best case scenario, I'd like

602
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,000
to call for a vote before that and a
special one. I got a lot to learn, but

603
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,039
I'm going to learn fast.
>> Oh, no.

604
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:53,520
» Okay. Now,
I I need to ask the question because I

605
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:58,400
don't know. Is everybody up up there a
trustee? I I I was I'm hearing the words

606
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:04,160
trustees. I I So everybody up here's a
trustee. Okay.

607
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:10,640
The key there is trust, folks. It's
trust. The definition of trust is a firm

608
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:16,720
belief in the reliability, the truth,
the ability or strength of someone or

609
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:22,640
something that may represent you. You
represent us. I want to be able to trust

610
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:28,960
you folks. I I've got this thing here
where it says hm freedom from suspicion

611
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:33,440
and doubt. That's the third definition.
Freedom of suspicion and doubt. I've

612
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:39,400
voted for most of you people. I know a
lot of you and I've met a lot of you

613
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:39,400
shortly for crying out loud.

614
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,720
» Okay.

615
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:53,160
» Sorry, Charles. Your time's up.
>> Okay.

616
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:16,720
» Yeah. Hello. My name is Don Lee Shalier.
I live at 2900 Brewer Road, Howell.

617
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:24,000
And I don't know, I know you're catching
a lot of flack up there and some of it

618
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:31,520
most of it's not deserved, but wouldn't
the simplest thing be for this board to

619
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:36,640
take and say we want this to become a
vote of the people? We're recommending

620
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:41,680
that it be put on the ballot. That would
answer your question also because once

621
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:46,720
it's on the ballot, it takes all
recourse away from the data center

622
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:51,520
because then it's voted on. So they
would be mute. They could go for

623
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:56,319
something else somewhere else, but it
would be nice if you would just all

624
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:02,240
maybe take a vote saying, you know, it's
too hard for seven people to try and do

625
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:07,680
what's right for everybody when most
everybody at least here is against it.

626
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:12,079
And I think if you put it on a ballot, I
think you'd find probably 80% of the

627
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:15,839
people would vote it down. And that
takes you out of the limelight, takes

628
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,760
you away from the firing line, and
you've done a good job in the process.

629
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:23,000
That's all I have.
>> Thank you.

630
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:36,240
» Good evening. Dan Wallahan. I'm an
attorney who's lived in Livingston

631
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:39,920
County almost 47 years. I'm the former
three-term Livingston County Republican

632
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:45,839
Party chair and former seventh district
GOP chair. As chair, we were 31

633
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:49,839
statewide and in congressional races,
including flipping the congressional

634
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:54,240
seat in 2024. My wife and I are in the
Fowlerville area, two streets away from

635
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:57,520
the zoning. I'll ask all you to follow
recommendations of your plan commission,

636
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:01,760
our county plan commission, which oppose
the reszoning. Amend the proposed

637
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,680
moratorium to reject the resoning for
good. Period. End of story. The

638
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:10,960
opposition to this resoning is one of
the 8020 issues and rare bipartisan

639
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:14,559
issues in our community today. There's
one issue that has this kind of uniting

640
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:18,960
power and I've seen it before.
Disruption to our neighborhood

641
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:24,000
communities. The title of the resigning
request is R&T, but let's not dress it

642
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:28,799
up. It's industry. Resigning a thousand
acres of ag residential zoning land to

643
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:33,440
industry or R&T is significant
disruption of community and deviation

644
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:38,960
from the master plan in harmful spot
zoning counselor I know you know what

645
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:43,039
that is survey after survey about zoning
master plans li county show concerns

646
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:47,599
about protecting our rural character
some big law attorney on the side of the

647
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:52,160
data center proponents may be in your
ear about exclusionary zoning I don't

648
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:57,280
think there's a strong case for that we
have tremendous resilient Howell

649
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:01,280
Township. It's there. If you're not
excluding it, if you think about

650
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:07,440
approving resilient, do advice for
council, reconsider it.

651
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:13,119
My day job involves elections and I've
involved with them. I've know an 8020

652
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:16,640
type of issue when I see it. I've been
involved more elections than I can

653
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:21,520
count, including recalls, packs, and
ballot questions. We've beaten big law.

654
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:25,759
We've beaten DTE.
I'm confident if you do the right thing,

655
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:30,319
we all have your back. If you do the
wrong thing, you can join Green Township

656
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,199
and go Shin and what happened there.
Please do the right thing.

657
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:58,640
Hi, I'm Rob Hower and I'm running for uh
the 22nd district state senate um which

658
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:02,640
is Livingston County. Um I'm a scientist
and I know all the problems that we're

659
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:07,040
going to have with this including
everything that everybody has said here

660
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:12,719
is absolutely true. Um there's going to
be um pollution problems. There's going

661
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:18,799
to be electrical significant increases
in electrical bills. We don't need this.

662
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:22,319
Um we don't need the water pollution. We
don't need the white light pollution.

663
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:28,640
I've been living in Livingston County
for 22 years and I love this county. Um

664
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:33,199
the rural feel of it. There's still
there's industrial places where you can

665
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:38,000
put this and this is not one of them. um
what you have planned here is the wrong

666
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:42,799
thing to do. And this moratorum
is is a band-aid. It's not going to fix

667
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:48,480
the problem because we're going to have
to to come to every meeting for the next

668
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:50,400
two years to stop the the actual
reasonzoning.

669
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:56,800
» Well, we will.
>> We will. We're going to do it.

670
01:09:53,120 --> 01:10:02,159
But why don't you do it now? And and I
agree with put it on the ballot. Let the

671
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:05,159
people decide. That's what we need to
do.

672
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:14,480
That's about all I have to say. But
listen to us. We're the ones who put you

673
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:18,560
on this board and
>> you got to you represent us. That's what

674
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:24,760
government is for. You represent the
people, not the big business.

675
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,760
» Thank you.

676
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:39,199
Hi, Vanessa North, uh, 2950 West Mar
Road, Howell Township. Uh, thank you for

677
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:42,719
listening to all of our comments. Uh,
one of the things I think that made

678
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:47,520
Michigan look so good to some of these
companies is our Great Lakes. Uh, one

679
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:53,600
statistic I would like to point out is
according to the Alliance for the Great

680
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:59,760
Lakes, water is a finite resource. Only
1% of the total volume in the Great

681
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:05,360
Lakes is replenished each year by
rainfall, snow melt, and flow from

682
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:08,880
groundwater. 1%.
So, if we keep thinking that water is

683
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:14,080
just going to always be there for future
generations, that's why we have these

684
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:20,880
clean energy bills. We actually did pass
one in 2023, Michigan's Public Act 235

685
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:28,960
in 2023, establishing a clean energy
goal of 80% by 2035 and 100% by 2040.

686
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:37,120
Keeping that in mind, across the US,
retirements of at least 34 fossil fuel

687
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:43,360
generating units totaling 16,491
megawatts of capacity have been delayed

688
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:48,880
due to reliability concerns cited mostly
from data center usage.

689
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:54,000
In September's meeting, we were advised
by Mike Vote that this proposal is for

690
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:58,159
conditional reszoning of the land where
the applicant must comply with certain

691
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:04,880
standards within the conditional zoning
ordinance. I must say no contract is

692
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:10,239
ever airtight. The term loophole exists
for a reason. Please do not think for

693
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:13,920
one minute that if and when this company
does not meet the conditions in the

694
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:18,159
zoning ordinance and when the township
tries to enforce these conditions that

695
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:23,040
they will not find a loophole or just
sue the township. They will most likely

696
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:27,920
be able to continue operations during
pending litigation and potentially leave

697
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:31,600
this township bankrupt. So for those who
are in favor of this proposal because of

698
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:36,640
the tax revenue, it could be the same
thing that bankrupts us. In closing, I'd

699
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,640
like to say that if data centers are
improved are approved by townships like

700
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:45,440
us and continue to grow at this
astronomical rate, they will eventually

701
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:49,840
use up all of our natural resources.
When future generations are dying

702
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,719
because of the lack of clean drinking
water, remember

703
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,760
Hello, my name is Emma Sova. I live here
in Howell at 322 West Washington Street.

704
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:15,840
And I'm against this proposed data
center. There are plenty of other places

705
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:19,760
where this data center could go.
Abandoned factory areas, brown zones,

706
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,520
what have you. But they're choosing to
put it here. In those other places, they

707
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,280
wouldn't have to fight to put their
useless data center there. But they're

708
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:31,840
going to go through the hassle to put it
here in Howell. Going through the hassle

709
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:35,360
to make plans to move Grand River. Going
through the hassle to have Howell

710
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:40,000
officials sign NDAs and no doubt line
those officials pockets.

711
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:44,000
» There's absolutely no reason to be going
through all this trouble other than one.

712
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:48,880
This huge company who is remaining
anonymous, mind you, is trying to buy up

713
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:53,760
more land so there's less for the common
folk. That includes you all on the

714
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:58,320
township board, mind you. As a How
resident and graphic designer, my future

715
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:04,000
is at risk due to this data center and
AI in general, and I haven't even

716
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:08,320
graduated college yet. To those on the
township board, I want you to look at me

717
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:13,040
and see your children, nieces, nephews,
and grandchildren. My future isn't the

718
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:18,000
only one being doomed. Their future is
too. Allowing this data center to invade

719
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:22,640
our community would be not just a
mistake, but practically a knife to the

720
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:26,239
throat of all the citizens of Howell. do
the right thing and refuse the data

721
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:30,800
center's existence in not just the
proposed area but for anywhere in How

722
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:35,400
Township or better yet put it on the
ballot. Thank you.

723
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:35,400
» Thank you.

724
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:49,440
» Hi, my name is um Jess Cuffer at 3575
Brighton Road in How, Michigan. I hate

725
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:54,000
speaking in front of people, so it says
a lot I'm here. Um, I don't believe this

726
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:57,040
should be a difficult decision. There
are already existing data centers and

727
01:14:55,679 --> 01:15:00,960
communities that have had similar
promises made to what's being sold to

728
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:04,719
us. When you look at these communities
now, they are struggling with higher

729
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:10,320
electricity costs, sediment in their
water, wells running dry, pollution,

730
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:13,760
impacts to wildlife, and more. Research
already exists on the impacts of a data

731
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:18,000
center in a community, and it's not
what's being promised. I've learned

732
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:21,280
early on if something is too good to be
true, it probably is. And right now

733
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,960
they're trying to fasttrack a data
center with little to no transparency

734
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:30,000
here and in other communities within
Michigan. Um just to scratch the surface

735
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:34,239
on some of the existing information out
there on data centers, uh a study by

736
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:38,320
Carnegie Melon University and North
Carolina State University published in

737
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:43,040
June says that electricity rates could
rise 8% on average across the US through

738
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,560
2030 because of increased demand from
data centers. And keep in mind that's

739
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:51,920
just the average. Some communities have
seen a 20 to 30% plus increase. Today,

740
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:56,480
data centers make up about 4% of total
US electricity demand and in the next

741
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:00,480
three years that's expected to triple.
And some key findings from a U of M

742
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:04,719
forward school of science, technology,
and public policy report published in

743
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:08,320
July titled, "What happens when data
centers come to town?" highlights other

744
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:12,400
valid concerns. I'd love to list them
here, but I just don't have the time to

745
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:16,000
read through it. Um, I do want to
include some quotes from those who live

746
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:20,239
near data centers or those who live near
data centers that are currently under

747
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:25,600
construction. Beverly Mor Morris from
rural Georgia lives 400 meters from a

748
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:30,320
data center. I can't drink the water.
Alexis Humphre, a resident from XAI data

749
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:34,719
center in Memphis, Tennessee. I can't
breathe at home. It smells like gas

750
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:38,400
outside. Greg Piio, a resident near a
data center in Virginia. There are no

751
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,760
birds around here anymore, he said,
noting that the humming or buzzing noise

752
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:46,000
the center emits scares away a lot of
wildlife from his area. As my husband

753
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:49,760
would say, they're trying to spit China
turd and call it gold. I hope we take it

754
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,520
a step further with the future
memorandum and that bans data centers

755
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,760
entirely for a set amount of years with
no back doors baked in. We should be

756
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:00,480
putting the people first and not big
tech billionaires. Thank you for

757
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,719
listening.
>> Thank you.

758
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:18,800
Hi, Lauren Prebenda, 930 Gully Road. Um,
I'm disgusted to be honest.

759
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:22,719
This is a slap in the face to every
single person that is in here, to every

760
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:27,679
How Township resident and every
Livingston County resident. No wonder

761
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:31,920
the developer, the developer's attorney
yesterday stated that they are in full

762
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:36,320
support of a moratorum. I was thinking
to myself, why would a Fortune 100

763
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:39,760
company in the middle of an AI arms race
driven by the greed of billionaires

764
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:45,600
support a blanket prohibition of data
centers in How Township? Because they

765
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:49,760
knew this all along. They knew it would
allow them to proceed with resoning.

766
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,120
They knew that you all could strike down
this moratorum at any time and allow

767
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:59,520
them to further proceed with
development. And I hope for all of your

768
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:05,120
sakes that you didn't know this, too.
>> Because if so, what a monumental failure

769
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:10,000
of public trust and what a monumental
failure of your position.

770
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:13,440
» We've heard over and over again from
this developer that they're committed to

771
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:17,360
being a good neighbor and doing what's
right. A good neighbor doesn't hide

772
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:23,239
their identity and pressure local
officials to sign NDAs to keep

773
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,239
information from the public.

774
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:32,000
A good neighbor wouldn't wait until
there's public outcry over a monstrous

775
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:36,159
10 building water and electricity
sucking site plan to then decide to do

776
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,040
what's right and offer additional
setbacks, fewer buildings, and dry

777
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:45,600
cooling technology. A good neighbor
would have come to the table with the

778
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:49,280
best, most ethical and respectful honor
or offer, but they didn't do that

779
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:54,480
because they aren't a good neighbor.
They aren't a neighbor at all. They are

780
01:18:52,000 --> 01:19:01,320
a multi-billion dollar corporation with
the goal of patting shareholder pockets,

781
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,320
not protecting residents.

782
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:08,719
» So, I'd like to make something very
clear. Regardless of what happens

783
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:12,920
tonight, we are not going anywhere and
our minds will not be changed.

784
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:22,560
» This resoning request is a terrible
deal. It will continue to be a terrible

785
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:29,800
deal tomorrow. It will continue to be a
terrible deal three months from now, 6

786
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,800
months from now, a year from now

787
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:49,360
align with our future land use. There
will be no changing that.

788
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,360
» We need a moratorum.

789
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:59,159
Your your time's exceeded.
>> Your time's up.

790
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:14,600
» We'll let the If you want to come back
around, we'll let you come back around.

791
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:21,080
» All right. Two minutes. We'll give you
two more minutes. Go.

792
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:31,120
» This proposal does not align align with
the township or county master plan, both

793
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:35,040
of which emphasize keeping Howell
Township rural. It does not align with

794
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:38,880
our future land use map, which clearly
marks these parcels for agricultural

795
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:43,679
preservation. And most importantly, it
does not align with our community

796
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:47,760
values. That will not change. Period. We
need a moratorum. Whether the community

797
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,159
likes it or not, data center development
is sweeping the country and Michigan.

798
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:57,600
And if we are caught with our proverbial
pants down without some ordinances, we

799
01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:02,320
are screwed. So I know a moratorum is
not the solution, but it is a solution

800
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:07,600
that we need to enact in order to ensure
that we are protected. So given that we

801
01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:12,560
need a moratorum, there is no other
option for you all than to vote no on

802
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:16,400
resoning. Enact a moratorum. And until
then, we will be at every meeting. We

803
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:20,719
will continue calling your office. We
will continue emailing you. And we will

804
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:23,960
not stop until that happens.
>> Thank you.

805
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:37,040
» Hi, my name is Gina Low, 5789 Preston
Road. I'm a mother in this community

806
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:41,199
against this uh really against this, but
I'm hearing about these NDA NDAs. I'm

807
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,120
new to this. So, I wanted to use my two
minutes just to ask every one of you

808
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:49,280
because I don't believe anybody signing
an NDA is working for their

809
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:53,120
constituents. I know you, Tim, right?
You came and said you did not sign an

810
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:57,679
NDA with this company. You have not,
sir. You have not signed an NDA. No, you

811
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,840
have not signed an NDA. Have you signed
an NDA? You have you signed an NDA?

812
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,040
» I'll approach it under the supervisor's
report.

813
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,880
» What was that?
>> I'll approach it under the supervisor's

814
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:09,600
report.
>> So, a yes or no. Have you signed an NDA

815
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:12,480
with this corporation?
Have you signed an NDA, sir?

816
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:15,880
» Yes, sir.
>> Yes or no?

817
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,960
» No. Okay. You, sir, have you signed an
NDA?

818
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,159
» No comment.
>> I just

819
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:27,120
» Come on.
>> Just let them We burn up your That's all

820
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:31,360
I just want. And down the line. So,
you're silent, sir. Are you silent as

821
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,560
well?
>> All right. And have you signed an NDA,

822
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:39,360
sir?
>> Okay. And have you signed an NDA? And

823
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:44,639
have you signed an NDA? Okay, I believe
all of you should be recalled and should

824
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:50,320
not have a place in this vote. That's my
that's my opinion.

825
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,360
And I do I do have one more thing to say
about I'm I'm not I'm not I'm really

826
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:57,040
don't know about laws and I understand
you guys are much more educated on that,

827
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:01,040
but I do know that Livingston County as
a whole has done a very good job of

828
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:05,520
keeping women's health clinics and
dispensaries out of Livingston County.

829
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:09,440
So, I do think that it is possible that
Howell Township can keep this data

830
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:12,440
center out of Howell Township. Thank
you.

831
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:32,719
» Andrew Ham, 14 Santa Rosa Drive, Howell
Township. I'm here to ask whether Howell

832
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:36,800
Township has any ordinances regarding
drone use. Recently, a neighbor filed a

833
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,960
complaint against me with the Livingston
County Health Department. They followed

834
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:46,000
up, investigated, and found that the
complaint was invalid. However, the

835
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:50,719
complaint included drone photos of my
home, which raises a different concern

836
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:55,840
altogether. I live on 12 acres. The
photos that were taken are all private.

837
01:23:53,840 --> 01:24:01,280
They're not in public view of the public
or from my neighbors. My hot tub's in

838
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:05,760
there. It's in a fenced in private area.
I want to make sure we have protections

839
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:09,920
in place so a neighbor isn't able to fly
a drone over my backyard and take

840
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:15,199
pictures, especially if my daughter is
out suntanning or my wife.

841
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:19,600
Um, I don't think anyone here wants a
situation where they have to worry about

842
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:24,560
a resident who
is hovering a camera flying a drone over

843
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:29,920
their private areas and their family
spaces that are that are private. So,

844
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:34,960
I'm simply asking for clarification on
whether Howell Township has a drone

845
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:38,960
ordinance and if not, whether it is
something the board would consider

846
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:42,120
addressing. Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you.

847
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:57,679
Annaise Patterson, 1789 South Hughes
Road in Genanoa Township.

848
01:24:54,000 --> 01:25:03,120
Whether you are elected or appointed,
your oath of office is what gives you

849
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:07,520
the lawful authority. And that oath is
the legal instrument that creates the

850
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:12,639
public trust relationship
where you hold delegated powers as

851
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:16,400
trustees. All of you, whether appointed
or elected,

852
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:20,800
and the people stand as the
beneficiaries, and by swearing or

853
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:25,760
affirming faithfully to discharge your
duties, you've accepted that office of

854
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:31,520
public trust that must be administered
with loyalty, care, honesty, and good

855
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:35,280
faith. And that oath binds you as
fiduciaries, which means you're

856
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:40,320
obligated to act solely for the benefit
of the people, never private developers

857
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:44,480
or corporate consultants. So help you
God. That is on your oath of office. So

858
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:49,600
help you God. That also means you
submitted to a higher power.

859
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:58,080
» So
also when it talks about in Michigan law

860
01:25:52,639 --> 01:26:02,639
the it it talks about MCL25387
it requires that every development

861
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:08,639
decision promote public health, safety,
morals, order, prosperity and general

862
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:14,800
welfare. Morals also means the ethical
governance and decision-making free from

863
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:18,800
improper influence or reliance on bad
faith actors. And I'll get to that a

864
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:22,159
little bit later. But the general
welfare includes our community health,

865
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:26,880
safety, infrastructure, capacity,
natural resources, property values,

866
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:32,159
rural character, economic stability, and
orderly harmonious development of land.

867
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:35,840
None of this is harmonious. The
Department of Justice has issued a

868
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:41,440
public notice documenting that this
particular developer and consultant has

869
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:44,480
falsified certifications.
That means they're operating in bad

870
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:49,679
faith and you're in breach of fiduciary
duty by even entertaining it. So help

871
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:52,840
you God.
>> Thank you.

872
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:04,239
» Hi, my name is Pete McCarter. I live in
Fatherville.

873
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:08,639
You know, it's very disturbing to hear
that some of you are doing things in bad

874
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,800
faith behind our backs. As people of
this community, we want this community

875
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:17,760
to stay rural. We want it to stay small.
Do not reszone this community. Do not

876
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:23,199
change it. This is not part of our plan
here. So, please don't do that. And we

877
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:28,320
need to as the people expose the ones
that are doing this crooked crap. This

878
01:27:25,679 --> 01:27:33,600
is wrong. Nobody should be signing NDAs
with these lizard people. You people,

879
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:37,520
this will be on you for all of history.
So remember that. It's not just the

880
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:43,280
people in this room. We will remember
you. Our children will think about what

881
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:51,320
you want to leave in this on this
planet, in this life. All of you. Do not

882
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:51,320
do something like this. It's disgusting.

883
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:11,840
Hi, my name is Cheryl Morris and I live
at 3259 Newand Circle.

884
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:18,080
If there are NDAs being signed and the
company is not going to be upfront with

885
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:24,080
what's going on, there is no reason to
believe that this data center should be

886
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:24,080
built here.

887
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:38,320
First of all, it's going to take a lot
of energy. The data centers typically

888
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:42,480
house more computer power per server
rack compared to conventional data

889
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:49,280
centers. And this need for more
computing power is projected to strain

890
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:54,960
our already fragile energy grid. Data
centers won't just strain our energy. It

891
01:28:52,320 --> 01:29:01,120
also consumes significant amounts of
water for keeping the servers from

892
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:06,960
overheating. This reduces water locally
and everywhere else. With all that water

893
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:13,520
going in, there is wastewater coming
out. This can pose an even bigger

894
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:18,719
problem. Wastewater discharge from data
centers can contain various contaminants

895
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:23,280
including chemicals, heavy metals, and
other pollutants.

896
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:29,440
This wastewater can degrade the quality
of local water bodies posing risk to

897
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:37,120
ecosystems and human health, critical
for human water management.

898
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:43,600
Our how and surrounding areas wed
ultimately leads to our Great Lakes. We

899
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:51,040
have 1/4th to 1ifth of all fresh water
in the world in our Great Lakes. Is it

900
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:58,560
worth polluting our local water and the
water of our Great Lakes just so that a

901
01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:01,800
few people can make money? No.
>> Thank you.

902
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:14,159
Hi, Kristen Dennison, 7196 Manor Lane. I
want to echo everything Corey and Lauren

903
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:18,880
so clearly and passionately
communicated. I am pissed. We will not

904
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:23,840
stand for the continued lack of
transparency and integrity. We wanted a

905
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:28,800
moratorium on reszoning, including the
current applicant, and you all knew it,

906
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:33,440
and so did your lawyer. Data processing
in RT does not inherently or

907
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:37,280
automatically include data centers and
the entire point is to give the township

908
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:42,159
the chance to determine where and how
data centers might fit in our township.

909
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:46,480
This moratorum is disingenuish
disingenuous and does not accomplish

910
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:50,320
what the township wants or needs. Shame
on the lawyers and anyone involved in

911
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:54,719
intentionally misconstring our desire
and our intent. And shame on cutting the

912
01:30:52,800 --> 01:31:02,040
mic on people. We were kept in the dark
for over eight months. If we need to be

913
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:02,040
here till 3:00 a.m. again, let's do it.

914
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:16,639
My name is Robert Peterson. I'm a land
owner in Handy Township, a business

915
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:22,320
owner in Howell. There's a bigger issue
here. Yes, water, electricity, costs,

916
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:27,120
agriculture, all important, but you
talked about what do we need? What are

917
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:35,120
the needs of the people here? I mean,
what is a data center for? It's a

918
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:40,960
control grid to enslave us.
>> And if you're going to participate in

919
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:46,199
enslaving my family, my children, my
grandchildren, I will fight to the

920
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:46,199
death.

921
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,360
Right.

922
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:05,360
I'm Bernardet Mallister from neighboring
Milford, Michigan, and I'm in agreement

923
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:12,080
with them. I think you should grant the
moratorum, deny the variance changes and

924
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:16,800
also consider how would howl protect its
citizens from terrorist attacks on a

925
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:22,239
data center which is being proposed to
be one of the largest data centers in

926
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:25,400
the state of Michigan.
>> Thank you.

927
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:36,560
» Yeah, my name is Tom Gibbons. I live on
Warner Road and I talked to a couple of

928
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:42,320
you guys. You I talked to you come out
to the house asked for my vote. I put a

929
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:47,520
sign out no data center out in the front
of my house. He's up. Well, why did you

930
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:52,880
why are you against it? Well, you got a
couple hours. I'll tell you why. But

931
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:58,560
first of all, I think all of you guys
got to stop this right now. I mean, this

932
01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:04,080
is this is our community and I we don't
want no data center. We got a good water

933
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:09,120
supply here. We want it to stay that
way. We don't need to have any pollution

934
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:15,760
or anything that we got. We got enough
to deal with without having to deal with

935
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:20,880
more. Pollution is a big thing. And this
area is one of the better. We got one of

936
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:26,960
the freshest water supplies in the area.
Why would you guys want to do that? Why?

937
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:32,719
Seriously, that doesn't make no sense.
And then you want to divert Warner uh

938
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:37,360
Grand River down Warner Road. What is
the purpose of that? I mean, come on

939
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:42,560
now. You guys are not thinking very
realistic at all. And you're not

940
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,560
thinking of the community. Not what one
iota.

941
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,320
» Thank you.

942
01:33:53,760 --> 01:34:00,800
Hi, my name is Jacine Peters and I live
at 2035 Norton Road in Howell. Um, I

943
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:04,800
believe I can give a unique perspective
on this. I have a degree in network

944
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:09,040
administration. I've worked in a data
center before actually for a very large

945
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:12,639
company here in Michigan. I worked in
that data center for about a year and a

946
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:17,760
half. Do you guys want to guess how many
times I walked inside that data data

947
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:21,600
center to uh provide support?
>> Zero times. Um, I did go in it once

948
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:25,760
though for a tour, but it was like with
regular people off the street. It wasn't

949
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:28,719
really for anything important. Um, at my
work now, I do a support in a

950
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:31,760
manufacturing facility. We don't really
touch the servers. The people who work

951
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:37,280
on the servers, do you know where they
live? Do you think they're local?

952
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,840
» No, they live in India. And it's awful
working with them to be completely

953
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:44,239
honest because it's it's difficult with
the time change and everything. But this

954
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:50,000
is all for if you guys think there's
going to be like these $100,000 jobs

955
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:53,199
with these big salaries and like, wow,
they're going to be hiring. Absolutely

956
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,360
not. I mean, honestly, if that were the
truth, I would love this. I would be

957
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:58,159
able to drive down the road. I wouldn't
have to have an hour commute to go to my

958
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:02,000
job. I drive all the way to Detroit
every day. This isn't going to happen,

959
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:05,840
guys. Like, nobody's going to be in that
data center. This is the cloud. The

960
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:12,320
support is on the cloud. Nobody's going
to be there to support the cloud. So,

961
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,320
thank you. And that's all I

962
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:27,199
Hi, I'm Evelyn Redwine. I live at 444
Inest in downtown Howell. Um, I'm not

963
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:31,760
that far from this thing. Having having
this noise pollution, the water issues,

964
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:37,440
the electricity, it's all going to cost
us. We've all talked about that. The

965
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:43,040
quality of water has a direct direct
correlation to the quality of life.

966
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:48,800
This is why I'm not allowed to drain the
pond that I get every spring in my

967
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:53,360
backyard, which is almost flat, but my
yard gets a one quarter of it is covered

968
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:58,880
in water. I can't touch it because it
goes down into the aquifer. And I don't

969
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:02,320
I don't fertilize because that's the
drinking water that everybody here

970
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:07,440
drinks.
You pollute that. We lose our drinking

971
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:12,639
water. We lose our lives.
The one lady spoke about being a target.

972
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:18,000
Yeah, we could be a target. I remember
knowing as a kid that there was a nuke

973
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:23,520
aimed at at L uh Leavonia and I lived
not too far from there. That's that's

974
01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:26,480
sobering to know that we can become a
target.

975
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:31,840
» It's not on the master plan. The master
plan was made to keep things like this

976
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:37,920
out of Howell, to keep our beauty and
our our culture out here. Beyond that,

977
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:44,639
I'm a graphic designer. I'm a web
developer. I am a writer.

978
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:48,239
AI is stealing all those jobs and
devaluing them. You're taking and you're

979
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:52,800
saying there's going to be 100 jobs.
There's going to be 20 and the rest are

980
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:59,440
going to be in India. Like she said,
I the same job that I made $80,000 a

981
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:03,920
year for, I try to get that now and it's
$15 an hour. I might as well go work at

982
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:09,679
McDonald's. I can get two jobs and, you
know, make what I made and work my butt

983
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:13,920
off.
Please don't do this to our our

984
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:20,040
community. Please don't do that to
America and our jobs.

985
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,040
Thank you.

986
01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:32,480
Good evening neighbors and officials.
I'm Gary Berker from Conway Township. I

987
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:35,600
was saw you all back in September. I
talked about how, you know, my concern

988
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:39,520
was the consumption of these things and
how it consumes like a small city. But

989
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:43,199
tonight, I want to ask you why we're
even considering this, right? A thousand

990
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:48,320
acres of farmland here, pristine
farmland on beautiful Livingston when

991
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:53,520
there's actually over 26,000 acres of
nonreal available industrial land today

992
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:58,000
in Michigan. 6,000 of that are meed
sites that are already prepared for with

993
01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:02,320
roads, infrastructure, uh, fiber optics,
everything that's needed. And us

994
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:05,920
taxpayers already paid $460 million to
develop that land. All right, we were

995
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:09,119
happy to do that. All I'm saying is that
investors already did this properly.

996
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,480
Investors already partnered with the
state officials to do this properly. And

997
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:17,280
we should make sure that those business
owners are getting their rightful uh

998
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:21,360
prospects as well. Intercepting like
having big tech intercept farmland

999
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:26,320
owners to save met pennies is not what
Michiganers are about, right? We're

1000
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:30,719
about combining farmland and farmers and
communities with good officials that all

1001
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:34,400
work together to build a better, more
retainable Michigan. That's what we all

1002
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:37,920
want to see. We want a sustainable
Michigan built responsibly. So, I

1003
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:43,520
personally feel like we should have a
statewide moratorum um all the way

1004
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:48,639
across Michigan until we are have used
all industrial spaces, right? Let's quit

1005
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:53,520
let's quit flipping our agricultural
land over to industry. Let's let's keep

1006
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:57,040
the development flowing into these
sectors that already have it. Let's use

1007
01:38:55,119 --> 01:39:00,719
what we already have. Let's repurpose
and rebuild these green fields, these

1008
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:04,320
brown fields, I'm sorry. Let's use what
we have and quit consuming the farmland.

1009
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:08,719
The future generations will need the
land. They'll need the water. And we all

1010
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:12,679
need our peace. Thank you all for doing
the right thing. Thank you.

1011
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:29,760
» Farmland can't be turned back.
My name is Dan Banello. I'm at 3531

1012
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:33,760
Warner Road in Howell. Um I'm here to uh
voice my position to the Pearls Data

1013
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:39,280
Center development. And I urge you to
vote yes no on the six-month moratorum.

1014
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:42,880
Um
I would really like to just cut to the

1015
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:46,520
chase and vote no on the resoning of
this property altogether.

1016
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:52,800
Just rip the band-aid off. So over the
past couple months, we've heard from the

1017
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,600
attorneys for the data center
developers, the developers themselves,

1018
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:02,400
representatives from DTE, and the
property owners themselves, the Van

1019
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:07,199
Gilders, as well as very few residents
that would like to see this data center

1020
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:11,440
happen for selfish reasons. I'm amazed
at the stakeholders in this potential

1021
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:15,199
data center would think that we're so
stupid as to think that we would even

1022
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:21,119
entertain anything like this, especially
when the details are veiled in secrecy

1023
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:27,280
and the promises of benefits at no ill
effects to the community aren't even

1024
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:31,679
aren't and won't be in writing. They
will not even provide solid numbers on

1025
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:35,280
the projected water electric usage. It
has been said that the property values

1026
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:38,880
will not be affected and may be
increased. I can tell you personally

1027
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:44,000
that since this potential data center
project went public, my property values

1028
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:48,239
decreased by $32,000.
Who will make up the difference and who

1029
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:52,960
will buy my house when I can't sell it?
They won't even discuss the names of the

1030
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:58,800
Fortune 500 corporation that will be the
enduser of the data center, but they

1031
01:40:55,199 --> 01:41:03,600
will tell us once it's approved.
This is akin to a certain congresswoman

1032
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:09,440
once saying, "We have to pass the bill
so you can find out what's in it." How

1033
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:14,880
did that work out? This is like a person
telling a total stranger, "Marry me and

1034
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:19,280
I promise you that you won't regret it."
I don't think so. One of the things that

1035
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:23,440
stuck out to me is when Ryan Van Gilder
stated that if the data center project

1036
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:27,840
goes through, they will continue to
live, farm, and be active in the

1037
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:31,760
community. That statement rings hollow
to me when they are selling their homes

1038
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:37,719
and their historic barns and buildings
used for their operations that the data

1039
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,719
center would sit on.

1040
01:41:53,920 --> 01:42:02,199
Hey Dan, let's
>> wrap it up, please.

1041
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:02,199
» Thank you.

1042
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:17,600
» I'm short. Uh, hi Casey Helton, 2854
High Meadow Drive in Howell. I wasn't

1043
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:22,960
planning on speaking tonight, but um, I
guess I'm up here uh, to confirm from

1044
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:27,040
Mr. Wallahan's left flank, a person who
I have had a somewhat acrimonious

1045
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:30,719
relationship with over the years that
this is very much a bipartisan issue.

1046
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:34,560
And I've been thinking about why that
is. Why is that such a bipartisan issue

1047
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:39,040
for so many of us? And I think it's
because since the beginning like of the

1048
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:46,400
industrial revolution, people here have
been we we've experienced our ancestors

1049
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:51,600
have experienced um resources mined at
our expense at the expense of the masses

1050
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:55,199
for the few for the benefit and the
wealth of the few. And I think people

1051
01:42:52,960 --> 01:43:00,080
are tired of it and we're entering a new
age. We're entering a new age, an

1052
01:42:57,679 --> 01:43:04,000
information age, where we are seeing new
types of speculation where this is

1053
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:09,119
nothing more than like the gold diggers
in in out west. This is a new version of

1054
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:14,480
that. This is a new version of mining.
Okay? This is this is coal miners in our

1055
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:17,199
age. And we are not the people are
standing up at their backyards and

1056
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,480
they're saying this stops at our
backyards. We are not going to let you

1057
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:25,119
exploit us anymore.
>> Y amen. and the board. I just want to

1058
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:28,800
say I just want to say I know this feels
bad. I I run I ran for office three

1059
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:31,440
times as a Democrat in Livingston
County. I didn't win any race. So I

1060
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:34,400
can't say for sure how you're feeling
because I didn't win any of my races,

1061
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:38,800
but I imagine it probably doesn't feel
good being yelled at up here. But where

1062
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:42,880
you're at is a privilege. This is a
privilege where you are sitting

1063
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:46,880
» because these voters, they put their
trust in you. they put that's why

1064
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:51,360
they're being so harsh because they've
voted for you because they believe in

1065
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:54,719
you to protect them to protect their
interests first. So I know that there's

1066
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:59,119
a lot of concern about legal
implications. That is what they want.

1067
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,480
They want you to be scared. They want
you to be intimidated so you'll bow

1068
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:06,960
down. But these people here
overwhelmingly are asking you, begging

1069
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:11,119
you to fight for them, to fight for
their property. So I I just wanted to

1070
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:16,280
say thank you and please do the right
thing. Please stand for them. Thank you.

1071
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:31,520
» Good evening. My name is Thomas Ranki.
I'm at Sergeant Road in Ferville. You

1072
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:34,480
know, we could talk all night about uh
the environment, the health concerns,

1073
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:39,520
the loss of jobs, destroying property,
contaminated water and air, and wildlife

1074
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:43,440
extinction. as a good neighbor, you
would have shot this down before we ever

1075
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:47,840
got to this meeting. Our fight is not
against flesh and blood, but against the

1076
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:51,760
rulers, you the
authorities against the rulers of the

1077
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:57,440
dark world, the spiritual forces of
evil, says Ephesians 6:12. God tells us

1078
01:44:54,960 --> 01:45:01,040
to fear not. I am with you. I will
strengthen you. I'll help you. I'll

1079
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:06,320
uphold you
to be righteous. Isaiah 41.

1080
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:10,320
Our property is an extension of
ourselves.

1081
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:15,679
When you destroy people's property, you
harm them, causing harm to others.

1082
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:20,719
Matthew 12 dishonors leaders, corrupt
society, exploit the weak. We are urged

1083
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:27,199
to pray as I'm praying for all of you
now, says Timothy 1:2.

1084
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:33,600
God does not appoint evil leaders. The
evil presents itself from the greed. We

1085
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:39,159
all know about those of you who've been
bought and paid for just like a $2

1086
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:39,159
watch.

1087
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:57,199
My name is Harold Wines, 4,400 West
Grand River Avenue. I have a little

1088
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:00,560
different perspective on this.
Gentlemen, ladies, take a look at this

1089
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:06,639
crowd.
How much how many people in this crowd

1090
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:12,560
are over 65? How many people moved into
this township to live out their life in

1091
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:16,600
retirement without fear of everything
being taken away from me?

1092
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:26,639
I've lived in this county for 70 years.
I'm 71 years old. My wife and myself

1093
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:32,080
never turned down an hour of overtime in
40 years of marriage.

1094
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:37,760
What we are looking at now is our
property going to hell, not being worth

1095
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:44,800
anything. We have looked at what it
would take to buy what we have and what

1096
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:50,639
we own into another piece of property.
We might be able to pay cash for that

1097
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:56,800
house, but our taxes would run between
$800 and $1,000 a year. our property

1098
01:46:54,000 --> 01:47:04,880
taxes. That's more than my house payment
was for 30 years.

1099
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:09,520
Do you think for one moment that a $1.58
trillion business gives a about

1100
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:13,159
what these people think or what's going
to happen to them?

1101
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:24,880
And and I'm sorry to say what I just
heard here a little bit ago about NDAs

1102
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:33,480
and some people not answering that
question. The second you signed an NDA,

1103
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:33,480
you no longer represent us.

1104
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:54,719
Hi, Michelle Vita, 3252 Warner Road,
dirt road, across from a cornfield in a

1105
01:47:52,000 --> 01:48:00,080
very rural neighborhood. Um, I prefer to
keep it that way, as do 88% of the

1106
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:04,960
Howell Township residents who were in
favor of agricultural preservation in

1107
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:09,520
the master plan. Um,
>> so I ask for a minute. We forget about

1108
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:14,400
the data center and we focus just on the
resoning. I don't want it resoned to

1109
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:17,400
anything other than agricultural
preservation.

1110
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:27,920
I think they agree. Um, second, I know
we've heard some people threaten to not

1111
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:32,239
reelect you or to recall you. U, we know
that you were up here because you are

1112
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:36,880
supposed to be the voice of the people.
So, I'd like to ask tonight if you have

1113
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:42,320
changed your mind and you no longer want
to resent the represent the people,

1114
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:47,840
there's no need to wait for a reelection
or to be recalled. Hold on. Hold on. You

1115
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:55,480
have the right to step down. And if you
do not want to represent us, I ask that

1116
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:55,480
you resign tonight. Thank you.

1117
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:11,920
My name is Victoria Alchin. I am a proud
Howell Public Schools elementary school

1118
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:18,159
teacher. And I will not be able to face
my students, nor will I be able to face

1119
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:24,159
my own two children at home if this if I
behaved the way in secrecy and without

1120
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:30,400
transparency, the way that the board and
this multi-trillion dollar corporation

1121
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:37,840
is behaving. We should not be keeping
secrets. Now, board, I implore you to

1122
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:43,920
listen to them. There is an enormous
group of people including my husband who

1123
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:49,840
are working 40, 50, 60 hours in addition
to their full-time jobs to get to gather

1124
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:55,920
information to make sure that this
community is informed about what's going

1125
01:49:53,040 --> 01:50:00,719
on because you are not doing it. That's
taking away

1126
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:04,719
Yeah. And if you don't if you are not
part of those Facebook groups, if you do

1127
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:10,080
not know where to find that information,
talk to your neighbors and be ready to

1128
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:15,600
mobilize because whatever happens, we
are together. We do not want this data

1129
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:21,199
center and we have we have the power and
the strength of the people to say

1130
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:24,440
absolutely not.
>> Thank you.

1131
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:35,080
Hello, Angela Barbash 4211RELE.

1132
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:41,360
It should go without saying that we
should vote down the resoning request

1133
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:44,960
and not have data centers. I think
you've heard that from everyone. But

1134
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:49,360
because we've been thrust into an
atmosphere of distrust, I want to bring

1135
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:55,520
something to you to give you the
opportunity to either dispel this as a

1136
01:50:52,000 --> 01:51:00,880
false rumor or to acknowledge that there
is a real conflict of interest here. May

1137
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:06,639
I ask is our township attorney Chris
Patterson of Fehee Schultz Burchick and

1138
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:08,560
Roads.
Is that you?

1139
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:13,760
» Yes.
>> Do you work for that law firm?

1140
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:17,840
» Yes. Is it true that your law firm is
representing Van Gilder Farms and the

1141
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:20,840
sale of the land to the technology
company?

1142
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:26,080
» No. So I wanted to give you the
opportunity

1143
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:32,560
» to dispel that
>> if you don't we don't interact. It's

1144
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:37,040
public ask your question. But we're
we're in be I bring this up and I'm

1145
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:44,000
giving the opportunity and public
comment here because there's been so

1146
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:49,760
much distrust seown in this process that
all kinds of things will fly across

1147
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:53,599
everyone's desk at this point and I
wanted you to have the opportunity to

1148
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:57,679
say that that's not true in front of
everyone or to say yes that is true and

1149
01:51:55,840 --> 01:52:00,960
there's a conflict of interest. So thank
you. Thank you for answering even though

1150
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:04,920
you didn't have to. Thank you for taking
the question.

1151
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:04,920
» Thank you.

1152
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:18,960
» Uh Stephanie Booth, city of Howell. Um
just want to point out a couple of

1153
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:25,599
things. The uh presentation sponsored by
our GOP chair, I think it was Monday

1154
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:30,159
night 6 to 11. very little in attendance
um other than another GOP member who

1155
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:35,520
happens to have property up for sale for
3.2 million. Um I don't know what the

1156
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:41,679
rushes or you know why they are people
with um a lot of special interests in

1157
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:45,520
this and I don't understand why. Um and
you know and this is all very public

1158
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:49,599
information.
Uh the other thing is I've been to the

1159
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:54,800
uh PL or excuse me the board of
commissioners uh self-appointed uh

1160
01:52:52,000 --> 01:53:00,960
health advisory committee and they cited
a study from 1997 talking about infant

1161
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:07,199
um what decibel level is appropriate and
they came up with between 45 and 55 and

1162
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:11,920
this is within two or three months ago
um during a reg a regular planning

1163
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:16,639
commissioner meeting and they were using
this to reject solar farms which you

1164
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:21,599
were all I'm sure quick to reject and
maybe I understand why now but just

1165
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:28,560
pointing out a similar argument there.
Um and the other thing is um gosh I give

1166
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:33,679
me a moment to think. Okay, our county
planning commissioning uh commissioners

1167
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:37,599
yesterday uh rejected it. So if you're
going to you're going to usurp their

1168
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:43,440
authority, which I'm assuming is way
more than the authority here, that

1169
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:49,960
that's a very interesting choice. Um,
and really that's all I've got. The NDAs

1170
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:49,960
are ve very telling. Thank you.

1171
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:11,520
» You start at 159, not two for everybody.
That's not fair. Um, there are already

1172
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:18,239
My name Patricia Murphy. I live near
Thompson Thompson Lake in Howell. There

1173
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:26,719
are already 57 data centers in Michigan.
Why? Because I get a 25-year tax break

1174
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:34,400
which does not benefit any citizen who
pays taxes. The state fiscal agency

1175
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:41,199
analysis estimated that the proposed tax
breaks these data centers get would

1176
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:49,760
reduce the state and local tax revenue
by more than 90 million through 2065

1177
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:57,920
when their tax breaks expire.
And to qualify for this tax break, each

1178
01:54:53,520 --> 01:55:03,440
data center has to invest 250 million
and create only 30 jobs above the

1179
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:12,719
minimum
um local 150% of the local medium wage.

1180
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:19,119
Most of the jobs a hundred is estimated
in the end will only be uh will mostly

1181
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:22,159
be maintenance.
So

1182
01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:24,800
why is this da d d d d d d d d d d d d d
d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d

1183
01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:31,760
d d d d d d dic reszoning even being
considered? How does it benefit the

1184
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:39,520
community and its vision? do 10 build
buildings or maybe they adjusted it a

1185
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:46,719
little bit less 50 to 70 feet high five
to seven stories high benefit the

1186
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:51,599
community I've lived a long time and
seen what they what happened in Detroit

1187
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:58,000
to Poletown
Poletown was absolutely destroyed to

1188
01:55:55,040 --> 01:56:05,840
build a factory there
was gone the surrounding ing communities

1189
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:12,560
negatively affected and now years later
there was a vacant factory last time I

1190
01:56:08,639 --> 01:56:20,599
looked left to rot and ruin and no
people the whole community was

1191
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:20,599
destroyed. Do you want this community?

1192
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:24,440
» Thank you.

1193
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:41,040
Hi, my name is Susie Klepinger. I live
in Marian Township. I am 66 years old.

1194
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:48,480
For 50 years, I've lived in Livingston
County.

1195
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:55,599
I am struggling daily, daily as a
competent human being to understand what

1196
01:56:52,080 --> 01:57:03,599
the possible benefits
could be to destroying water, using

1197
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:09,280
remarkable amounts of electricity, and
going against the wishes of all these

1198
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:14,239
people. I mean, I come from a family of
people that served uh the public good

1199
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:21,360
for many years. My mother was the
supervisor in a township in Livingston

1200
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:28,159
County, and they've always served.
I'll be very honest, if you choose to go

1201
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:31,520
through with this project, me and the
majority of the people here will never

1202
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:35,520
vote for you again.
>> That's right.

1203
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:41,360
While I appreciate
all the work you do, I understand the

1204
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:46,560
heart of a public servant. Honestly,
I've lived it. Please make the right

1205
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:49,800
choice.
>> Thank you.

1206
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:04,080
» Good evening. I'm Alan Roma Oaso Road
and um I had some things I wanted to ask

1207
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:08,159
you guys and and and you know one of
them was uh these uh non-disclosure

1208
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:14,639
agreements. I was thinking it was a
terrible rumor and um I'm I'm

1209
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:21,119
disappointed that it's not um
disappointed. Um another thing I about

1210
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:25,679
transparency, you know, and I've heard
rumors about that. I'm trying to give

1211
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:31,119
you guys the benefit of a doubt, but
guess what? you keep on feeding me

1212
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:39,520
doubts. Now I'm at the point of all
these actions signal these are signs of

1213
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:45,360
unethical behavior and um please please
you know look into your hearts you know

1214
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:52,560
and don't vote for pollution don't don't
vote for money don't vote for conflicts

1215
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:58,320
of interest but stick to your guns and
and and do what needs to be done in a in

1216
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:02,639
in the right fashion here. you know,
you've got an opportunity to go ahead

1217
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:10,480
and create ordinances that could be a
model for the state of Michigan.

1218
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:14,159
Okay, consider consider that. You know,
I

1219
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:19,679
I don't know much here, you know, about
the only thing I figured out from the

1220
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:24,639
lawyer is that a moratorum is a timeout.
That's when you give THE KIDS IN SCHOOL,

1221
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:30,320
A TIMEOUT.
We're adults here. Let's start. Let's

1222
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:34,880
start acting the way that we need to and
do the right thing. You know, I'm 60

1223
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:41,199
years old. I don't rather 70 years old.
I wish I was. Uh I

1224
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:45,840
thinking young. I got 18 seconds about
the only thing I have to say is is I

1225
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:51,440
don't love being up here. We don't love
being up here. You don't love being up

1226
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:56,239
here. You know, the Van Gilders, I've
known them for years. Multi-billion

1227
01:59:53,119 --> 02:00:00,239
dollar corporation.
you know,

1228
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:03,400
nothing else to say. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1229
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:18,320
» Good evening. My name is Alyssa Recker.
I live at 7171 Manor Lane. Um, so I'm on

1230
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:22,880
the Kohaka side. Um, but I'm within two
miles of the the proposed data center. I

1231
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:27,119
wrote a whole thing tonight about the
ordinances that we should be looking at

1232
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:31,280
during a moratorum. Um, I'll save that.
I I sent that in. But as we've been

1233
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:35,360
sitting here talking about the moratorum
and this potential project, you know,

1234
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:39,119
one thing that I think is important to
consider and that I would ask you all to

1235
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:44,480
consider is um looking at our
enforcement mechanisms because when we

1236
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:49,119
talk about zoning and ordinances for all
of us in here, right, the rules are the

1237
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:52,159
rules and you're going to find us when
we violate a condition of of zoning.

1238
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:58,560
Right.
>> Right. for for a company like Meta or

1239
02:00:55,360 --> 02:01:02,719
whoever is behind behind this project, a
$1,000 fine is absolutely nothing,

1240
02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:06,719
» right?
>> So, I would ask you to consider as you

1241
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:11,199
are thinking about the moratorum, as
you're thinking about this project and

1242
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:15,040
the ordinance updates, I would ask you
to also consider what are we going to do

1243
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:19,360
about enforcement when we're dealing
with a trillion dollar company instead

1244
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:22,520
of an average neighbor. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1245
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:41,280
didn't get a minute. Oh,
>> my name is Debbie Manisto. I live at

1246
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:45,199
2330 Tuli Road in Howell Township. Um,
kind of wrote some notes down so that I

1247
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:52,000
don't flounder.
I'm not here with specific data. I'm

1248
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:55,760
here speaking from my heart. Um, I want
to know what we're doing to the next

1249
02:01:53,440 --> 02:02:00,560
generation. I right now don't have
grandkids. I hope to have them one day

1250
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:04,960
and I want to leave them a good
environment.

1251
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:11,440
I've lived in Livingston County since I
was little. Lived in Howell for 30

1252
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:15,920
years. It's a beautiful community.
I think for what what bothers me the

1253
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:20,400
most is it seems like it's all about
money. That's only going to enrich a few

1254
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:25,199
people. Right?
>> You look at this big crowd of people

1255
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:32,880
here that we have worked hard all of our
lives to do the American dream to own

1256
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:37,440
our own home and this could all
disappear.

1257
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:44,000
I just pray that you guys do the right
thing and make the right decision for we

1258
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:49,320
the people in all of this wonderful
community that we live in. Thank you.

1259
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:49,320
» Thank you.

1260
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:06,239
My name is Jody Fulton. I live 1.5 miles
from the proposed site. This project

1261
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:11,360
does not fit under data processing in
RT. I spoke I spoke about that last

1262
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:16,639
night. Permitting it would twist the
allowable use for this project and risks

1263
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:24,080
legal ramification.
There is an onslaught of new industry

1264
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:28,639
knocking at the door and we are woefully
illprepared.

1265
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:32,560
But they are not here in our small towns
by coincidence.

1266
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:37,440
We are being sought out for many
reasons. Our lack of experience

1267
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:44,639
negotiating with trillion dollar
companies being one of them.

1268
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:50,480
We need time to level the playing field.
We need impact studies. We needed in e

1269
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:58,679
economic analysis. We need laws on the
books. We might be illprepared,

1270
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:58,679
but we are not ignorant.

1271
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:10,520
So, here is your chance. Vote down this
project. Work with us, not against us.

1272
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:10,520
And let's get to work.

1273
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:26,880
Good evening. David Foreman, 6126
Feeasant Ridge Drive. I live in

1274
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:31,360
Fowlerville, but um north on AASO and it
seems that this data center is probably

1275
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:38,320
closer to Fowlerville than many parts of
Howell. So, appreciate the say here. Um

1276
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:44,239
couple of interesting things is that we
again live three miles. It's going to be

1277
02:04:41,119 --> 02:04:49,599
about$ two billion dollars to build a
data center for a largesiz data center

1278
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:56,320
which is or maybe a bit larger. In the
third quarter of 2025 ending September

1279
02:04:52,400 --> 02:05:03,119
30th 2025 Amazon Web Services generated
an operating profit of 11.4 billion for

1280
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:10,480
the full year 2025. Analysts project
that that will be 48 um.9 billion. U

1281
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:18,400
meta which I believe is what's coming in
here. Quarter 1 2025 was 16.6 billion.

1282
02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:23,520
Quarter 2 was 2025 was 18.3 billion and
Q3 was 18.6 billion. And there's some

1283
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:28,080
other tax things that bring that down,
but that's what it should be. What's

1284
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:32,800
interesting, Governor Whitmer um chief
is providing tax exemptions. Governor

1285
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:38,080
Whitmer signed legislation that uh
provides the sales and use tax

1286
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:42,880
exemptions for these data centers. And
so it's very interesting that we will

1287
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:47,920
end up paying for it. What I would like
to understand here because we're all

1288
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:52,560
talking about the data center um asking
you not to put it in, but what if it

1289
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:59,520
does, we have a governor who is pushing
it. Um if it does go in, then what

1290
02:05:57,599 --> 02:06:06,000
really does happen to us? What are you
doing then to protect our values if our

1291
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:11,760
home value does go down and you have a
48 billion dollar profitable

1292
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:20,800
organization right next door? What are
you doing to fight for some rights for

1293
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:24,800
us if this does happen? So, we spent a
20 years just to get to the point where

1294
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:29,920
we could actually start to build our
dream. And now we're really concerned

1295
02:06:27,599 --> 02:06:34,159
about going away. So what will you do if
it does happen? How are you going to

1296
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:40,480
protect everybody in it? Especially a
half a mile away. If nobody cares, you

1297
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:44,679
have no recourse. So
there's

1298
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,679
» Thank you.

1299
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:58,239
» Hi, my name is Ryan Fasel, 5200 autoen
court or drive. Uh, I live approximately

1300
02:06:56,719 --> 02:07:04,480
half a mile away from this data center.
My wife and I moved to the area because

1301
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:09,280
we thought it was the perfect rural area
and now I hear that water pollution,

1302
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:12,960
noise pollution. I want to raise a
family here and now I really don't want

1303
02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:17,920
to. I don't want to be a part of a
community that's going to allow a data

1304
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:22,320
center in here. Why? For what reason are
we having a data center here? It

1305
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:25,520
produces no
support to this community. It makes

1306
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:30,800
people want to leave
>> a perfectly good community. People don't

1307
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:34,960
want to be near a data center. You're
losing citizens. I've had neighbors

1308
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:38,639
already selling their houses because of
this and they've been on sale for a

1309
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:42,159
while.
Nobody wants to come to a community

1310
02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:46,560
where they're going to have to fight
with water pollution and noise

1311
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:50,560
pollution. I have methane gas in my well
and I have to possibly redig a well and

1312
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:55,520
then I hear that they could dry out my
new well. Who pays for that? Me.

1313
02:07:53,840 --> 02:08:00,800
they don't pay for it.
>> That's not fair. So, I would really I

1314
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:03,760
want you guys to just not reszone it at
all. I think that's the right thing to

1315
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:09,599
do for this community. Keep your
citizens in mind. Keep them here. Keep

1316
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:12,960
them here. Bring more people in. Leave
it as an agricultural area. That's all I

1317
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:16,920
got to say.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1318
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:29,599
» Hi, my name is Kimberly Wan and I don't
want to be here and probably most of

1319
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:33,920
these people don't. I didn't want to
have to learn about this. I didn't want

1320
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:39,760
to have to study it and figure things
out. I still don't understand it all.

1321
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:45,599
But we trust you guys to make the right
decision for this community and say no

1322
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:50,560
now and in the future to this data
center and reszoning. And if you don't,

1323
02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:56,560
the joke might be on you. And here's
why.

1324
02:08:52,079 --> 02:09:01,119
Up these data centers have been studied.
550

1325
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:06,159
data centers were studied by the by a
university in California. They found

1326
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:12,639
that these data centers may cause u by
2030 20 billion annually in additional

1327
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:19,119
health fees.
These um diesel generators that they're

1328
02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:24,560
going to use as backup emit uh nitrogen
dioxide diesel particullet above the

1329
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:30,000
state levels and above areas around
there and they can be found up to two

1330
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:35,280
states away. So this can cause
respiratory illnesses, cardiovascular

1331
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:39,679
stress, incre increased hospitalizations
and the degradation of quality of life.

1332
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:44,639
So those might be things that the joke
might be on you and your family and your

1333
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:48,400
grandkids and your kids just like
they'll be on ours. So we're trusting

1334
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:55,040
you to make the right decision and say
no as you must you must consider under

1335
02:09:52,880 --> 02:10:00,440
our health, safety, and welfare mandate
for Howell Township. Thank you. Thank

1336
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,440
you.

1337
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:19,760
Hello, my name is Dave O.
Data center. It is what it says.

1338
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:24,639
It's to collect our data, to monitor our
lives, and ultimately control us. In the

1339
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:30,239
end, it's wanted to track everything we
do and every convenience they sell us

1340
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:35,040
for more control. It's wanted to track
our money, to take it from our hands. We

1341
02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:40,719
won't be able to move a penny to have a
garage sale without being tracked or

1342
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:45,599
taxed or lock us out of our digital of
our digital currency. They are trying to

1343
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:51,599
force us force on us using these
centers. It's wanted. It's wanted to

1344
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:57,520
monitor everything we look at online and
everything we say online. It's to

1345
02:10:54,079 --> 02:11:02,880
shadowban us, to cancel our voices
if they so choose and don't like what we

1346
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:06,960
have to say.
We won't have the choice in the future

1347
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:14,040
to stop the monitoring and control of
our lives if we don't stop it now.

1348
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:14,040
» Thank you.

1349
02:11:18,639 --> 02:11:25,840
Facebook shut me down today. My account
>> didn't like I'm waiting for the time.

1350
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:30,400
» Sorry.
>> No problem. Jess Mace 1220 Weatherstone

1351
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:35,119
Lane Howell.
>> Howell is speaking to you.

1352
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:39,040
You cannot deny that the collective
voices of the people are speaking to you

1353
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:44,239
when the Republicans and the Democrats
alike are here working together facing

1354
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:47,880
this bipartisan bipartisan challenge in
the community together.

1355
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:58,719
» When both sides are saying no, I think
you have your answer.

1356
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:03,440
Michiganers have been vocal across the
state louder this week than ever that

1357
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:07,840
they do not want data centers in the
rural communities where Michigan's

1358
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:12,960
resources are most prevalent and most
protected. KCASa raised their collective

1359
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:16,560
voices in one this week and Sale is
continuing to yell as loudly as they

1360
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:22,400
can.
Listen to your residents. We voted for

1361
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:27,840
you and we expect you to hear our voices
and represent us as you promised to. We

1362
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:32,880
are begging you to do what is right for
Howell, for Michigan, and to say no to

1363
02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:37,199
this data center so that our community
can get to work in protecting itself

1364
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:42,320
from future predatory behavior from big
tech companies.

1365
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:47,040
» Let's make sure that they know that
Howell's beautiful resources are not up

1366
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:50,280
for grabs.
Thank you.

1367
02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:06,800
» Hi, my name is Jake Ivan. I live at 4300
Fleming Road, right on the Devil's

1368
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:12,960
Doorstep of this uh project. I couldn't
get any closer really, unless I was part

1369
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:19,440
of the family. I'm I'm concerned for my
health and safety. Um, with this project

1370
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:24,960
going in across the street, there's been
this whole thing has been rushed. Me and

1371
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:31,760
my neighbors have had very little info.
Um, it's very concerning the way this

1372
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:36,639
has all been gone about. And um, I moved
out here for peace and quiet. I moved

1373
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:42,320
out here with my high school sweetheart
and uh just before the lockdown and I

1374
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:46,800
love this community. It's uh it's been a
great place to live and I couldn't

1375
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:53,360
imagine something like this going in in
uh one of our farms and I I realize the

1376
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:59,199
family it's their land to do what they
want but um there has been no

1377
02:13:56,880 --> 02:14:06,320
transparency in this deal and all the
dishonesty among uh everyone involved

1378
02:14:02,719 --> 02:14:12,159
has been uh unacceptable
and there's uh there's just nothing in

1379
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:17,679
uh in place to protect me and my
neighbors like like this man here um

1380
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:22,480
from the pollution. They say they're
going to build a burm, plant some trees,

1381
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:26,800
but what about everything else that
comes with this place? This

1382
02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:33,280
corporation's got the money to do what
they want and they will steamroll us. My

1383
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:37,520
property value will be nothing. I'm I'm
completely downwind from this thing

1384
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:43,679
right across the street. They want to
put this power station about

1385
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:48,159
30 feet outside my property line. It
seems like I mean I'll be sleeping with

1386
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:54,079
the servers technically if uh if you
guys let this go through and it will

1387
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:59,119
just it will deem my property pretty
much unlivable, unsellable. So please do

1388
02:14:57,599 --> 02:15:03,400
the right thing and vote no on the
reasonzoning.

1389
02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:03,400
» Thank you.

1390
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:18,880
Good evening. My name is Richard Allen
and I actually live in Chiwasi County,

1391
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:23,840
but a road does not divide us. I am your
neighbor.

1392
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:30,159
» I have I have seen the runup to this
before. About six years ago, uh, Ranger

1393
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:34,320
Power, uh, introduced themselves to the
county officials in our county and they

1394
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:38,320
told them all the benefits that they
were going to bring when they built the

1395
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:42,480
assembly solar site, which I which I
must say uh, incidentally uh, the same

1396
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:49,040
family that is pushing the data center
here is uh, the first ones to sign a

1397
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:56,480
lease in Chias County of over 500 acres.
And uh so we have that in uh common. And

1398
02:15:53,199 --> 02:16:02,480
also um all the promises that are made
and uh in the runup, none of it came to

1399
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:06,000
fruition. People's, you know, we talk
about nobody's talked about flooding

1400
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:09,199
here. When you take when you do an
undertaking of this sort, you're going

1401
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:14,719
to have flooding all over the place. We
had propane tanks flooding up there,

1402
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:20,239
floating after after a good rain because
of the uh the the way they move the top

1403
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:24,159
soil around. And uh there's a lot to be
discovered as as uh a few people before

1404
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:29,440
me said we need more information on
this. But I think it's ironic that we

1405
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:33,519
have to um this is f this reminds me of
Watergate. It's not it's not the

1406
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:36,880
original sin. It's the cover up. Every
day you have to go on Facebook

1407
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:40,880
ironically and you have to get the news
of what's happening here from Mark

1408
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:47,800
Zuckerberg who's trying to destroy this
community. If that that doesn't make you

1409
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:47,800
crazy, I don't know what what will.

1410
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:51,960
You know,

1411
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:58,559
you know, I have been at many county uh
many meetings in Livingston County

1412
02:16:56,479 --> 02:17:02,719
because uh I fight against industrial
solar. I've done that for about four

1413
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:07,359
years now and I recognize the tactics of
developers and they all maintain the

1414
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:11,599
same uh status quo with that. that come
in here, they think you're gullible.

1415
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:16,000
They think they I can't I'm disappointed
that you s uh the majority of you sounds

1416
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:22,240
like signed NDAs with what happened in
Green Charter Township uh with the Gian

1417
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:26,800
Fiasco and um in Mundy Township much
closer. Those people that signed NDAs

1418
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:34,519
are not on not on the township board
anymore and because they were recalled.

1419
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:34,519
» Thank you.

1420
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:42,040
Thank you.

1421
02:17:52,559 --> 02:18:00,559
» Hi, my name is Maggie Tennant. I live on
2578 Mar Road. And when we first heard

1422
02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:04,240
about this, I really just thought, what
is the purpose of zoning if it doesn't

1423
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:09,359
protect us from this,
>> right? What is the purpose of this

1424
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:13,840
committee if you don't protect us from
this? Literally, I this just blows my

1425
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:19,439
mind.
It doesn't matter if we reszone it to RT

1426
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:24,399
or industrial. We don't want either.
This those types of facilities belong in

1427
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:30,000
facilities like the lawyer said that are
properly zoned for that. This area is

1428
02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:34,479
not for a reason. We don't want it.
We're not made for it.

1429
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:39,120
Also, the attorney said over and over
again, "The legislative decision is in

1430
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:46,200
your control." He said it over and over
again, "You already have the power to

1431
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:46,200
stop this, so stop it.

1432
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:57,840
This is very likely the most important
and impactful decision of your career.

1433
02:18:54,240 --> 02:19:01,000
We voted for you. Now you vote for us."
>> Thank you.

1434
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:17,120
Good evening, commissioners and fellow
Howell ites.

1435
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:22,559
Uh my name is Mark Freud, 3550 Byron
Road, Howell Township.

1436
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:28,000
Uh 16 years ago, my wife and I moved
from Leavonia out here, bought this

1437
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:32,800
foreclosed house that was stripped on 10
acres, and we'd come out here and work

1438
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:39,040
on it one night a week and and on the
weekends. And we would sit on our front

1439
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:44,479
porch and gaze upon our property and my
wife and I would say, "I can't believe I

1440
02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:51,200
live in such a beautiful place."
And our community is changing and you

1441
02:19:47,599 --> 02:20:01,439
know change is inevitable but we need to
we need growth in in a in a wise a wise

1442
02:19:56,880 --> 02:20:07,200
way. I mean this this is you know um let
me sidetrack a little bit. Couple years

1443
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:12,479
after I moved here, I knew of got to
know some people in Howell Township and

1444
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:18,560
I was uh nominated to be on the planning
commission and appointed by the board

1445
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:24,960
and I felt it an honor and I was very
proud to be part of someone representing

1446
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:30,560
my community. I wanted to give back to
my community, you know, be a part of it,

1447
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:37,680
try to be positive
and, you know, it it's a difficult task

1448
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:44,800
and it doesn't pay crap, but you know, I
felt like I was contributing and uh and

1449
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:52,880
I went and every decision I made, it
might not have been to my betterment,

1450
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:58,319
but I I made it and and I tried to
be as uh

1451
02:20:55,760 --> 02:21:02,960
transparent, honest,
and

1452
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:09,359
for what was best for the community at
large. Not any particular person. And

1453
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:14,080
some of the decisions weren't in my best
interest, but they were in the best

1454
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:17,080
interest of our community.
Um,

1455
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:26,280
and I I also was part of drafting not
the current.

1456
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:37,760
» Give me a minute.
>> Um, I was part of drawing the master

1457
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:43,680
plan, not the one in that's in place
now, but I assume it's very similar to

1458
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:49,280
the one in place now. There is a reason
why that property we wanted

1459
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:55,920
agricultural. There's a reason why we
have an industrial there and and we have

1460
02:21:52,720 --> 02:22:03,680
turned down plenty of other
proposals because they did not fit the

1461
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:08,880
master plan or the zoning. And
one more point,

1462
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:15,520
we don't we don't need a moratorum and
kick the can down the road. you can vote

1463
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:21,120
on it and I trust that you would like to
vote in the best interests of your

1464
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:24,760
community as I always try to do. Thank
you.

1465
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:24,760
» Thank you.

1466
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:45,120
Hi, good evening. My name is Marty
Kubak. Aaso Road about 2500 feet from

1467
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:50,640
the the site.
I'm not in opposition to progress, but

1468
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:56,080
defending something more vital, our
land, community, and our future. Once

1469
02:22:53,359 --> 02:22:57,439
you pave farmland, you can't get it
back,

1470
02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:01,280
» right?
>> There's nothing left of it. Data

1471
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:07,359
centers. We've already talked about
enormous drain on water. Yesterday, a

1472
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:12,560
rep for the company, whoever that is,
probably China company, because they're

1473
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:16,960
too ashamed to represent and know who
they are, but made a commitment that he

1474
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:20,800
would cover our wells if there was a
damage to the wells. Well, that's a

1475
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:25,840
little too late. That's kind of closing
the gate after the horses take off. I

1476
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:29,520
believe that should you do something
like this, and but I appreciate you guys

1477
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:35,280
staring at me, too. That's awesome for
the attention. But

1478
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:38,560
I think you should if you go forward to
make sure that there's some sort of a

1479
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:42,960
bond, some sort of insurance. There is
somebody that already said you don't

1480
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:46,880
have the power to stop a big company if
they're not going to do what they say

1481
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:53,680
they're going to do. So some sort of a
$10 billion bond that would give

1482
02:23:50,399 --> 02:24:00,600
insurance for us, not so much to protect
our wells, but have to buy 5,000 homes

1483
02:23:56,319 --> 02:24:00,600
at a half a million dollars each.

1484
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:11,920
And then to protect them, they should
also invest in inspecting every single

1485
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:16,080
well in Livingston County ahead of time
so that that we don't have to argue

1486
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:20,840
whether their system contaminated our
well or destroyed our well.

1487
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:30,800
He also mentioned engineers might be
able to come up with dry water cooling.

1488
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:37,800
I work for a largest truck manufacturer
in the world and we have engineers and

1489
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:37,800
we have warranty because of engineers

1490
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:46,000
and thanks for offering a burm around
400 ft. Um, sorry we're in a farming

1491
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:51,479
community that's lipstick on a pig. It's
still a pig. Thank you.

1492
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:51,479
» Thank you.

1493
02:24:58,319 --> 02:25:05,920
Hi, my name is Andrew Kimell and I live
on 1039 East Avis Road just south of

1494
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:10,399
Howell. I absolutely despise AI but want
to focus on the resoning. We moved out

1495
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:14,960
to the area 5 years ago because of the
rural community and the serenity found

1496
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:18,880
here. I strongly oppose resoning to
industrial. I'm not the only one that

1497
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:22,560
feels this way. A neighboring township,
Marian Township, Justice South,

1498
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:27,520
published survey questions in its master
plan that all point to rural local rural

1499
02:25:25,520 --> 02:25:30,960
residents generally oppose such
industrial development in their

1500
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:34,720
neighborhoods. The township, this
township and Marian Township are very

1501
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:40,399
similar with rolling farmland, quaint
houses, and acres of undeveloped

1502
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:44,640
woodlands. Of the 605 total responses to
the survey, 75% of the citizens

1503
02:25:42,800 --> 02:25:49,359
responded that open space is why they
chose to live in the area. 94% of the

1504
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:53,200
responses also say that rural character
is what they like about living in the

1505
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:57,359
area. Closing off a large portion of the
township to a commercial industrial

1506
02:25:54,800 --> 02:26:01,280
complex and rerouting Grand River would
eliminate that rural character. On a

1507
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:06,560
scale of not important to very
important, 55.5% of the people responded

1508
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:10,960
that new industrial development is not
important. Over half oppose new industry

1509
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:16,000
and that's with the assumption that
industry brings good paying jobs. This

1510
02:26:13,359 --> 02:26:21,359
does not. Other survey categories
include that non-resident residential

1511
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:25,120
development would what nonresidential
development would be preferred. The

1512
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:31,120
least selected option was heavy industry
at only 1%.

1513
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:36,240
And light industrial at nine. Um with
most prefer small shops and or nothing

1514
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:40,399
whatsoever. In summary, rural neighbor
neighborhoods prefer to keep it small

1515
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:44,800
and keep it to the necessities, not a
nearly 1,200 acre industrial complex in

1516
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:48,640
the middle of our farmlands.
Please do not allow for the reszoning of

1517
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:52,800
the beautiful farmland into commercial
or industrial. It would significantly

1518
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:57,120
hurt the housing prices as no one wants
to live near a 24-hour complex like

1519
02:26:55,600 --> 02:27:00,720
that. It would destroy the charming
character of the area. The local

1520
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:04,720
citizens live out here to get away from
the commercial indust industrial

1521
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:07,359
commotion of Metro Detroit. Please do
not bring that here and drive everyone

1522
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:10,520
away. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1523
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:23,200
Good evening. Salam Fati 206 West Auburn
Trail also representing my parents who

1524
02:27:21,439 --> 02:27:27,920
moved here to retire and live on Lake
Chung. Mike votes council for the

1525
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:31,760
applicant provided verbal guarantees
that any damage to local wells and

1526
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:37,280
aquifers would be covered by the data
center. That in and of itself shows that

1527
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:41,200
they know they will damage residential
water. They know they will damage our

1528
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:46,000
community. Guarantees from mega
corporations mean nothing and they won't

1529
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:50,640
be honored when their mega law teams
bankrupt How. Protect our residents and

1530
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:55,800
surrounding neighborhoods. Don't allow
this data center.

1531
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,800
» Thank you.

1532
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:13,359
» Good evening everyone. My name is Don
Donald Atkins. I live at 2660 Bowen Road

1533
02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:19,920
about three and a half miles from the
proposed data center. I'm not going to

1534
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:24,880
speak on water, power, taxes, or
property rights. Those points have

1535
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:30,160
already been made and debated endlessly.
I would like to add new discourses to

1536
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:35,920
the conversation. It poses as a simple
question, how much is too much? It gets

1537
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:41,439
more complicated the more you unravel
it. But I am not convinced that

1538
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:46,479
persistent advances in convenience are a
net positive for humans. I think it is

1539
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:53,160
pure indulgence. The kind of which that
makes you fat and the kind of which that

1540
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:53,160
makes you stupid and dull.

1541
02:28:53,680 --> 02:29:00,319
We've lost any notion of moderation in
our culture as being square or

1542
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:04,080
backwards. It's been used as a porative
term for those who wish to p practice

1543
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:08,560
temperance.
Once an admiral trait, but largely

1544
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:14,319
ignored today. And the future is not
looking good. Uh I need everyone over

1545
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:18,720
the age of 50 to understand that you
will not inherit the future. This is a

1546
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:23,760
normal part of life.
Your kids and grandkids will.

1547
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:30,640
And if anything about this data center
makes you feel makes your stomach feel

1548
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:35,040
ill, please fight for them.
For it is the youth who will suffer the

1549
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:41,840
consequences and you must fight. And I
do mean fight. And I don't I don't

1550
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:49,160
honestly believe that my words are going
to convince anybody in a part of meta or

1551
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:49,160
anything like that.

1552
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:57,160
» You got us convinced. Thank you. I
appreciate it.

1553
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:57,160
» Thank you. Have a good one.

1554
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:14,399
My name is Sandy Busard. I live at 3011
Fiser Road in Howell, Michigan. I never

1555
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:18,479
intended on speaking at any of these
type of things. I'm not a public

1556
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:27,680
speaker. I don't have anything prepared,
but I'm just felt the I had to speak up

1557
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:35,920
for all of us here and tell you
deny this data center. It's not what we

1558
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:43,280
want as a community.
I don't know how you guys would be able

1559
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:49,280
to look in the mirror yourselves if you
>> if you vote this and don't vote this

1560
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:58,240
down. Um
again I I don't have anything prepared

1561
02:30:52,800 --> 02:31:03,920
but really it the kids from Fville it's
going to impact them and how they're

1562
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:10,640
learning and just the water consumption.
Everything I've heard at any of these

1563
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:16,479
meetings has just turned my stomach. And
I've lived here all of my life. And so

1564
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:22,560
many of these other people have or have
moved here because they want the rural

1565
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:29,439
community and that master plan to
continue. I have a niece, Tiffany

1566
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:36,479
Bessert, who is expecting a ch another
child. And I don't want those

1567
02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:44,319
great nieces and nephews to grow up with
this kind of um effect on their health

1568
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:52,319
and and well-being. Please, I implore
you for everybody here

1569
02:31:48,399 --> 02:32:02,000
vote. Do not
re deny this reszoning for the

1570
02:31:56,479 --> 02:32:05,120
corporation who is trans who will not
disclose their name.

1571
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:08,280
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1572
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:21,960
» Who's next?
Thank you.

1573
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:32,240
» Paul Murphy, I live off a huge road in
How I want to touch base on some of

1574
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:36,720
issues I brought up yesterday, which
blatantly is the fire department. If

1575
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:43,040
there's a fire here, our fire
department's not ready for it.

1576
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:46,640
We have pumpers. We have volunteers.
Who's doing the training? Who's going to

1577
02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:51,200
be preparing for it? These fires happen
on a regular basis. I've been studying

1578
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:58,800
and looking for up for information on
this all day and I cannot find where

1579
02:32:53,840 --> 02:33:03,920
there is any place safety in place. Um,
let's be realistic with DTE here. We

1580
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:11,359
don't even have to have the wind blow
and our DTE our energy is gone.

1581
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:15,920
That causes a surge.
How can we rely on DTE to make sure we

1582
02:33:14,399 --> 02:33:20,319
have power if they're going to make sure
they have power first?

1583
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:25,359
Are we going to have more blackouts
around here? Who's going to be first?

1584
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:30,000
Who's going to get repaired first? What
if there is a fire there? It only takes

1585
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:35,600
one spark, one piece of dust, a
lightning strike, temperature sensors,

1586
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:40,720
uh, humidity monitors, airflow
detectors,

1587
02:33:37,359 --> 02:33:44,520
blackmail, cyber security, anything can
happen where they

1588
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:52,800
malfunction and there's a fire, who's
going to take care of it? Who's going to

1589
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:58,560
be how are is our fire department
prepared for something like this? Like I

1590
02:33:55,840 --> 02:34:05,520
mentioned yesterday when Eevee cars out
became a big thing

1591
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:11,359
uh Brighton town Brighton's fire chief
had big article about the fact that they

1592
02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:16,479
were not prepared for even car fires let
alone data centers

1593
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:22,880
um environment
where the studies that they actually

1594
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:28,000
have that are real the ones I found
kind of go back and forth kind of like

1595
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:32,240
CBD CDC with everything else. I want to
see some actual studies that there's no

1596
02:34:30,399 --> 02:34:36,880
environmental risk because everything
that I have actually read is the fact

1597
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:41,840
that there the air and land is
contaminates

1598
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:48,120
um with fine fine miracles that will
cause

1599
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:48,120
respiratory distress. The IVA

1600
02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:59,880
your mic's off. So,
>> thank you.

1601
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:16,800
» Good evening. My name is Maggie Tons and
I live at 1405 Shire Court about maybe

1602
02:35:15,439 --> 02:35:20,160
two and a half miles from the data
center. I'm not going to go through the

1603
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:24,800
water and the electricity because you
all know that and you've heard it from

1604
02:35:21,439 --> 02:35:30,640
people. I do have a question though. Is
there a difference between a data center

1605
02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:35,920
and hypers scale data center and okay I
don't know that that was clarified. Um

1606
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:40,880
some back info and I do watch too much
news and I go through cable all the

1607
02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:46,479
stations and I watch a lot of podcasts.
our current administration, which I

1608
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:51,760
watched this week during a state dinner
and is pushing for these data centers

1609
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:58,800
because they want to beat China in the
AI race. That has been said over and

1610
02:35:54,880 --> 02:36:04,319
over. Um, you can look it up yourself.
Um, I also saw Mark Zuckerberg, I read

1611
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:09,760
an article by him, has committed $600
billion

1612
02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:18,160
to data centers. That's a lot of money.
I also watched Elon Musk this week.

1613
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:22,800
Okay. He said that once AI comes in,
there won't be any reason for people to

1614
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:26,880
work. He said this, "We can stay home
and play games." That's kind of

1615
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:31,439
frightening. You know, these data
centers are not creating jobs, people,

1616
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:35,600
for our kids. I don't have a grandchild
or anything. Um, you know, I don't have

1617
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:41,120
any skin in the game or anything. Um,
it's not creating jobs. It's not. And I

1618
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:46,880
think you people know that. Um I've also
read that like they're talking about oh

1619
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:52,479
human resources, maintenance, um
security. Those jobs will probably be

1620
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:58,560
contracted out. Okay. I don't have much
time. Um let's see here. Oh, the company

1621
02:36:56,319 --> 02:37:04,319
is already getting Oh, the company in
Seline is already asked for 50% tax

1622
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:09,520
break. Um there was a town hall on
Monday. I don't know what that was all

1623
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:14,640
about. Uh, let's see here.
Okay. Oh, I watched I'm sorry. I need

1624
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:20,640
another time. Rick and Ryan Van Gilder
did an interview with um WHMI couple

1625
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:25,439
about a week ago. Um, I was surprised
that Ryan didn't even know what Eagle

1626
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:34,120
stood for.
Okay. Which um the interviewer Googled

1627
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:34,120
it during a break. It is

1628
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:37,920
» okay. Time
What

1629
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:41,280
» time?
>> I really want

1630
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:45,040
» I want to say one more thing, please.
>> Okay, one more thing real quick.

1631
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:51,840
» Okay. Um I don't All right. Thank you
everyone here. We are so indebted to

1632
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:56,080
Corey Elchin. He has done hours and
hours and hours of work. Thank you,

1633
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:59,240
Corey. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1634
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:11,040
» Good evening. I'm Christa Miner. I live
on Mar Road in Howell Township. I don't

1635
02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:14,720
need two minutes. I just have a quick
statement I wanted to make. It's a

1636
02:38:12,880 --> 02:38:19,120
question I've been asking myself in
these meetings that I've attended. I

1637
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:22,319
know you can't answer. 10 years ago, we
there wasn't a big talk about data

1638
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:27,359
centers and the need for these types of
buildings. The technology is changing

1639
02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:32,399
quickly. Obviously, where is this
building going to be in 10 years when

1640
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:36,800
what they put in there is obsolete?
We're going to be stuck with a huge

1641
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:41,080
shell and no partner.
>> That's all. Thank you.

1642
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:41,080
» Thank you.

1643
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:53,680
» Good evening. Nathan Warzaka 8574
Shyawasi River Fowlerville. Um count

1644
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:58,560
following up on her point. I've read a
lot of reports that AI is the next

1645
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:03,439
bubble is the dot bubble is the housing
bubble. Um we have a mountain red seedar

1646
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:08,000
crossing uh subdivision. We have an
example of this. We have in the front of

1647
02:39:05,439 --> 02:39:14,880
our sub is a handy water handy township
water plant. It's built to h handle a

1648
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:20,240
thousand houses. Uh our sub has about
400. The plan was for all of Van Beern

1649
02:39:18,080 --> 02:39:23,280
to be subdivisions and for this water
treatment plant to service the whole

1650
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:28,640
area and no one pays a lot because it
gets spread out. Our sub was built in

1651
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:33,120
2006. 2007208
the housing market crashed. No more

1652
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:37,040
houses were built. Now Handy Township
says, "Well, you guys got to pay for

1653
02:39:34,880 --> 02:39:40,000
this whole treatment plant. We're not
going to build more houses. It's just

1654
02:39:38,479 --> 02:39:46,399
it's going to cost you more." And we've
been fighting them to get this changed.

1655
02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:50,399
So because of mix of corporation and
government actions during that time, our

1656
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:55,359
subdivision has this huge plant that we
don't need that's now our burden to pay

1657
02:39:52,880 --> 02:40:00,479
for because of the housing bubble and
how that affected everything. So my

1658
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:04,399
concern is that this is like the last
person said, this is the next bubble in

1659
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:08,720
10 years. What's this going to be? Is AI
the next fad? Are we going to have an

1660
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:12,640
obsolete center? um with the last 30
seconds. Also, if you look at the area

1661
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:17,520
in Virginia that's now the data center
capital of America, uh none of the

1662
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:21,600
multi-million dollar houses around there
wanted data centers. They plunked one

1663
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:24,720
down. When one came in, they said,
"We'll just build more.

1664
02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:28,800
» We'll build another one here and we'll
now they have 20 or 30 data centers

1665
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:33,520
right next to these expensive houses.
They're much more than how and no one

1666
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:37,920
you go interview people there, they say
it's horrible. It's noisy. No one wants

1667
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:41,680
this." And they're building even more
down there. I'm afraid once you open the

1668
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:45,600
door for one of these, it's just going
to skyrocket to get Meta in there, to

1669
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:49,840
get Google in there, to get Amazon,
whoever wants to build next to it, and

1670
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:53,000
just expand it. So, vote no.
>> Thank you.

1671
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:09,680
» Hello. Uh, Steve Smith, Conway Township.
Like many here, I was infuriated to

1672
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:15,520
learn that certain members of this board
signed a non-disclosure agreement in

1673
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:21,040
knew from April about this. This not
only affects Howell Township, it affects

1674
02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:26,240
everyone else in our community.
Um, however,

1675
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:31,760
I'm going to give the board an out
tonight.

1676
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:39,000
People have called for your resignation.
for the people who signed the the NDAs.

1677
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:39,000
I think that's appropriate. However,

1678
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:47,680
however, I would accept an apology.
>> Oh, no.

1679
02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:53,200
» And I and and
I had a long career in business and I

1680
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:58,720
made a lot of mistakes. And I tell you,
the best apology you can make is I

1681
02:41:55,760 --> 02:42:04,000
screwed up.
Somehow I don't see certain of you doing

1682
02:42:01,439 --> 02:42:11,120
that.
Um, now in Conway Township in Kahaka,

1683
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:18,160
we've been fighting Ranger Power Solar
for about three years. This is also the

1684
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:22,479
Van Gilder family. There's been
you could learn a lot from what we've

1685
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:27,760
been through
and I can talk about that more at

1686
02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:34,080
another meeting. I'm going to close. I
ran across a poem by William Ernest

1687
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:39,359
Henley. I I'll say the last two lines. I
am the master of my faith. I am the

1688
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:44,319
captain of my soul. He was a very sick
man when he wrote that. Now, do you want

1689
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:48,240
our faith and our soul to be these damn
data centers?

1690
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:51,399
» I doubt. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1691
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:06,960
Hello, my name is Maya. I live on
Amberwood Trail right behind the

1692
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:11,840
township hall. I'm 25 years old. I would
love to have a family in this small

1693
02:43:08,479 --> 02:43:16,319
town. Um, pretty much everybody here
does not want this. I would hope that we

1694
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:20,640
would not have this. My parents worked
really hard to have their home here and

1695
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:26,319
we love our property. We love our
surrounding properties. We love our

1696
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:30,720
community. If we can't um we just don't
want a data center. If we're going to

1697
02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:36,960
keep it as anything else, I will donate
the first five goats if we keep it as a

1698
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:41,520
farm. I'll donate the first five goats.
I'm just saying I will do that. I have

1699
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:46,080
purebred Nubian goats. I will donate
them to this farm if we can keep it a

1700
02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:49,920
farm. I love Howell. Everybody here
loves Howell. for I mean this is people

1701
02:43:48,720 --> 02:43:55,279
come here to live out the rest of their
days and I would love to be an old lady

1702
02:43:51,840 --> 02:44:01,120
here. I've lived here for 15 years. The
last time I was here in this auditorium

1703
02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:06,160
I was in Miss Micah's choir class and we
sang O Danny Boy on this stage and now

1704
02:44:03,040 --> 02:44:12,000
I'm here trying to use my voice to not
have a status center. So I just want to

1705
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:16,960
thank everybody here for coming and this
country is amazing. Okay? Because

1706
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:22,240
nowhere in the world can people come
here and rally and do this amazing

1707
02:44:19,279 --> 02:44:26,680
stuff. Come here in front of you guys.
This is the only country that has that.

1708
02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:34,880
So hopefully you guys can hear us. We
love our town. That's pretty much all

1709
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:38,120
that I have to say. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.

1710
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:48,720
My name is Christa Smith, um 2024 Oak
Grove. Uh my family has lived in

1711
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:52,640
Livingston County for over a decade and
we currently reside in Howell Township.

1712
02:44:50,720 --> 02:44:56,240
I'm speaking on behalf of my pre-teen
children who could not be here tonight,

1713
02:44:54,319 --> 02:45:00,479
but who are also opposed to the resoning
from agriculture due to their concerns

1714
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:03,680
about the negative impacts on the
environment. They've spent years

1715
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:06,640
visiting Howell Nature Center learning
about conservation and preservation and

1716
02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:10,960
they are baffled at how our local
leaders could continue to allow for

1717
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:14,880
habitat destruction in our community. My
husband is home with our kids tonight

1718
02:45:12,319 --> 02:45:18,880
and he works in it and he also has
serious concerns about a data center

1719
02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:22,319
being in this allowed in this community.
Along with my family, I oppose the

1720
02:45:20,560 --> 02:45:25,120
resoning. Please listen to all of us
here when we say we don't want this

1721
02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:28,359
here. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1722
02:45:33,359 --> 02:45:43,120
Hi, my name is Joy Dling. I'm at 2516
Kurtie Road and I'm sorry for you. This

1723
02:45:41,200 --> 02:45:47,520
would be so hard to be sitting up in
your seats. I would be peeing my pants

1724
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:55,840
right now, especially if I signed an
NDA. And because it is so clear what the

1725
02:45:52,560 --> 02:46:00,640
people want, we're here. It's obvious. I
think it's obvious to all of you. It's

1726
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:07,120
obvious to all of us that we're the
communities together on this issue and

1727
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:11,600
what I see here. I've been so impressed
by this community around this issue. the

1728
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:16,640
way I've seen community members standing
up uh doing research hours and hours. I

1729
02:46:15,439 --> 02:46:21,200
can't even imagine the amount of
research some of our community members

1730
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:25,520
are doing, how intelligent I've seen our
community members, how much they care,

1731
02:46:23,279 --> 02:46:30,960
how passionate they are, and what I see
are wheels in motion. The community does

1732
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:36,880
not want this. We will do whatever we
need to do to keep this out. I hope that

1733
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:42,080
you are with us and that you will help
us with that. I'm sure that if you get

1734
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:48,240
in our way that we will do whatever we
can to keep this out of here because we

1735
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:55,840
are united. Please make the right
choice. Make the moral choice. I trust

1736
02:46:51,840 --> 02:47:02,000
that you know what the moral choice is
and it is for you to be a conduit for

1737
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:06,680
the wishes of the people. Please stand
with us. Thank you.

1738
02:47:03,520 --> 02:47:06,680
» Thank you.

1739
02:47:14,720 --> 02:47:20,000
I had a couple comments. Um, I was at
the Clearly Clearary meeting.

1740
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:24,800
» Name and address, please.
>> Uh, John G,

1741
02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:30,319
Putnham Township. I was at the Clearary
meeting, Cleary College, and I was

1742
02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:36,399
talking to the engineer that was working
for the contractor and the closed loop

1743
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:40,560
system for the water consumption,
they're going to do that. But when it's

1744
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:45,439
when there's warmer temperatures,
they're going to incorporate swamp

1745
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:48,720
coolers. Anyone familiar with what those
are?

1746
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:52,800
» They use a tremendous and this is from
the engineer. I'm not making this up.

1747
02:47:50,319 --> 02:47:56,880
You can you can talk to them. um they
use a tremendous amount of water and

1748
02:47:55,279 --> 02:48:01,520
that water probably has to be
conditioned. You can't just take raw

1749
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:05,520
well water out of the ground because
there's too many deposits in it. It's

1750
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:10,800
not pure. So, I'm sure they're going to
put some type of chemicals in that water

1751
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:13,840
and it's going to part of it evaporates
and the other part's going to be

1752
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:17,680
discharged and I don't know where
they're going to put that,

1753
02:48:15,840 --> 02:48:21,040
» you know. Well, that's the thing. I
mean, these companies are like, these

1754
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:25,680
large corporations are are like
vampires. They come and they suck all

1755
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:31,439
the resources and then when they're
done, they just leave. You can't do

1756
02:48:28,479 --> 02:48:35,920
nothing to them. So they and it's proven
Flint, Pontiac, and Detroit. And

1757
02:48:34,399 --> 02:48:40,319
Detroit, the only reason that's still
breathing, the simple fact is the

1758
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:45,120
government, the state, and the federal
government giving them billions and

1759
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:50,319
zillions of dollars to stay alive. But
you go past that one little area, it's

1760
02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:56,640
dead. So, this is what these companies
do. And it's just an a terrible thing.

1761
02:48:54,160 --> 02:49:04,479
And I don't mean to give anyone a hard
time here, but I was at the AASCO u um

1762
02:49:01,120 --> 02:49:08,399
solar thing. DT was there and here last
night. And the representatives these

1763
02:49:06,960 --> 02:49:13,359
companies they can they'll sit up here
for 15 20 minutes telling their spiel

1764
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:18,000
and then they tell us well you got 3
minutes you know and you know last night

1765
02:49:16,240 --> 02:49:21,920
we were here and the fellow was here for
15 minutes and you know you're telling

1766
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:25,279
people you're cutting them off two
minutes you know and I understand there

1767
02:49:23,359 --> 02:49:29,040
may be a time thing but you know there
is a first amendment you know we do have

1768
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:32,880
a right to adjust this government for
redress grievances and there's no time

1769
02:49:31,359 --> 02:49:37,040
constraints in that and you should know
that you're an attorney

1770
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:43,120
That's the first amendment. That's what
gives us the right here to speak. And if

1771
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:47,520
you're not doing that, then there's a
real problem here. There's something

1772
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:53,040
wrong. You should you there's that
shouldn't be up there. There should be a

1773
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:56,279
picture of how or something.
>> Thank you.

1774
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:07,000
» Thank you. NBA step down.

1775
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:13,760
» Anyone else for call to the public?
>> Let's go.

1776
02:50:11,279 --> 02:50:18,720
» Step down.
>> All right. I'll entertain a motion to

1777
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:22,960
move close the or we don't need a motion
to close the call to the public, but to

1778
02:50:20,319 --> 02:50:25,960
move back to the data center moratorum
ordinance.

1779
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:35,200
» So moved. B support.
Motion by Bowl, second by counts. All

1780
02:50:33,600 --> 02:50:37,920
those in favor?
>> I

1781
02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:43,200
» opposed.
>> Okay. Discussion,

1782
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:45,840
thoughts,
>> Mr. Chair.

1783
02:50:44,319 --> 02:50:50,080
» Yes.
>> This this

1784
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:53,920
addition to the moratorum was presented
to us. Chris, have you had a chance to

1785
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:59,520
look at that by chance?
>> Yes. So when I when I first brought the

1786
02:50:56,479 --> 02:51:04,560
motion forward to have the discussion of
a moratorum,

1787
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:08,960
we we often we wondered what was going
to happen with the resoning request. We

1788
02:51:06,399 --> 02:51:13,040
found out when we sat down here tonight.
Um

1789
02:51:10,560 --> 02:51:18,160
so this this suggested revision does
include a moratorium on the resoning

1790
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:22,399
too. Is there anything improper or
illegal about that?

1791
02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:26,479
» Uh there's nothing illegal. I think the
point I made earlier is that you already

1792
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:29,359
control the ability to sort of decide
what you want to do with that resoning.

1793
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:35,120
So you can take that action up on your
own. That's that's the point. But

1794
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:38,880
» so in layman's terms, this moratorum is
basically a commitment from this board

1795
02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:42,800
not to do anything for 6 months.
Correct. Because they can come back

1796
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:46,880
because they can come back
>> and basically change it at any time or

1797
02:51:44,880 --> 02:51:49,880
we can come back. Correct. As a board.
>> Correct.

1798
02:51:52,800 --> 02:52:02,600
Okay. Got more. You good? You good?
>> Does anyone else have any questions?

1799
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:06,200
» Mr.

1800
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:18,279
» Okay. Come on. Can we have the meeting,
please? Let's

1801
02:52:15,040 --> 02:52:18,279
» step down.

1802
02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:26,960
So I would I would make a motion to
approve the moratorum with the amendment

1803
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:33,680
that it has the suggested revision that
we were given when it came up which does

1804
02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:37,120
include the zoning also. If not I mean I
guess we're ready to vote at our next

1805
02:52:35,359 --> 02:52:40,120
meeting if it comes back from the
county.

1806
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:48,640
So Chris, if there's
>> Can we please

1807
02:52:46,880 --> 02:52:56,160
» we're not going to achieve anything if
we keep doing this? Thank you.

1808
02:52:53,040 --> 02:53:00,720
» Chris, the cons is there any I mean the
question was is there any concern of

1809
02:52:57,920 --> 02:53:03,760
adding this in?
>> It's the same piece I already indicated

1810
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:08,000
as the distinction between the
administrative and the legislative. But

1811
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:11,040
if if you want to wrap this in, as Mr.
Bull indicated, it's basically a policy

1812
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:14,640
statement that you're going to put it on
a six-month hold. You already have the

1813
02:53:12,960 --> 02:53:18,160
legislative authority to approve it or
deny it in the same process separate

1814
02:53:16,560 --> 02:53:21,680
from the moratorium anyway. So, you're
basically just making that decision as a

1815
02:53:19,760 --> 02:53:25,359
part of this moratorum.
Be no different than two separate

1816
02:53:23,040 --> 02:53:27,920
motions. If the board decided we'll pass
the moratorium and then just say

1817
02:53:26,880 --> 02:53:30,720
separately, you're going to put the
reszoning and table it for 6 months.

1818
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:33,920
You're basically doing the same thing.
You're just doing it in one document.

1819
02:53:32,319 --> 02:53:40,240
So,
>> please don't deny it. Deny it.

1820
02:53:37,520 --> 02:53:44,279
» Okay. So,
>> thoughts, concerns?

1821
02:53:44,960 --> 02:53:51,040
» I mean, my thought is that we're
treating it differently than every other

1822
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:56,200
application. Um, every every other
application we get goes through the

1823
02:53:52,560 --> 02:53:56,200
three-step process.

1824
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:03,600
» Every other application goes through the
three-step process. goes to county goes

1825
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:07,200
to township planning, county planning,
township board. I don't know why we

1826
02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:11,520
would treat this any differently. I
think we do need a moratorum. I think a

1827
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:15,920
moratorium is a smart move. I think
putting it in place so that no matter

1828
02:54:14,080 --> 02:54:19,120
what happens,
uh land use cannot happen with a

1829
02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:23,920
moratorum.
And I I think that is a a smart move to

1830
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:27,600
make for this board. I think there's a
lot going on with data centers. We have

1831
02:54:26,399 --> 02:54:30,560
a lot of people that are concerned
obviously

1832
02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:34,640
and I think looking into it further
makes sense.

1833
02:54:32,399 --> 02:54:38,479
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> So I guess I'll ask Mr. B. Do you really

1834
02:54:37,120 --> 02:54:44,080
believe that this board would come back
and undo this moratorum or is it just

1835
02:54:41,279 --> 02:54:48,160
you want clarity that it could happen?
>> I would just like clarity that the the

1836
02:54:46,319 --> 02:54:51,319
reasonzoning would also be halted for
the moratorum.

1837
02:54:51,920 --> 02:54:55,319
» So you wouldn't

1838
02:54:57,120 --> 02:55:04,160
You would say that when the resoning
came to this board coming from county

1839
02:55:01,439 --> 02:55:09,920
planning
>> that we don't approach that that we'd

1840
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:15,880
let it sit there for 6 months or
turn it down and be done or vote it yes.

1841
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:15,880
I mean

1842
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:22,960
my suggest my suggestion would be have
it have it held in advance for six

1843
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:27,439
months or tabled for six months if that
if that can be done. And if not, then we

1844
02:55:25,840 --> 02:55:32,479
won't hear you.
>> So you're you're saying repeat that. I'm

1845
02:55:30,319 --> 02:55:36,319
sorry I couldn't hear you.
>> So my my request or or my suggestion

1846
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:42,399
would be to have the reszoning held in
advance until the moratorum is completed

1847
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:48,399
also as well as the ordinance.
>> Okay.

1848
02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:53,880
» So I guess where are we? What what's the
Anybody else have any input thoughts?

1849
02:55:57,040 --> 02:56:02,000
Um
>> so first of all I would just like to say

1850
02:56:00,880 --> 02:56:06,080
thank you to everybody for coming
tonight. I think uh one lady spoke about

1851
02:56:04,399 --> 02:56:09,439
the fact that that's one of the greatest
things we have in this country is the

1852
02:56:07,359 --> 02:56:12,479
ability to speak our mind first
amendment rights and I think that's

1853
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:17,520
true. The other great thing about this
country is our is our ability to have

1854
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:24,479
debate
civily. So, I appreciate that as well

1855
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:27,920
and I would appreciate if you would give
us the opportunity to conduct business

1856
02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:36,560
because that is what you elected us to
do. So, thank you.

1857
02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:42,319
Um, excuse me. I agree with Trusty
Holstein and that I think a moratorum is

1858
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:49,840
due and I think it's due because of the
fact that the state legislature has

1859
02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:54,319
enacted certain bills that that provide
tax incentives for large corporations to

1860
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:59,279
come here and build hypers scale data
centers. And I think we given the fact

1861
02:56:57,120 --> 02:57:04,000
that we have so many people here tonight
voicing their opinion, we need the

1862
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:07,120
ability as a township and our planning
commission needs the ability to

1863
02:57:05,439 --> 02:57:12,880
understand what that means from a zoning
perspective. So I don't believe that the

1864
02:57:10,479 --> 02:57:16,960
uh moratorum is worthless as some have
stated. I think it is worthwhile and I

1865
02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:22,240
think it would help protect the
community and I think it would help uh

1866
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:30,479
give us an opportunity to to properly
find a right place for this type of

1867
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:38,080
zoning. Um I understand what uh Mr.
Patterson said and I think the zoning

1868
02:57:34,160 --> 02:57:43,359
rests with us anyway. So
whether or not it's included, this

1869
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:49,840
language is included in the moratorum,
um I'm indifferent to it. I think it

1870
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:54,000
rest with rests with us anyway. So um I
could go with it either way, the

1871
02:57:51,439 --> 02:57:58,040
additional language being added. Thank
you. Okay.

1872
02:57:58,399 --> 02:58:09,120
Anyone else?
Um, this is certainly a a very great

1873
02:58:06,080 --> 02:58:13,600
country that allows us to debate things
that we don't see eye to eye on and

1874
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:17,680
hopefully do it civily.
Um,

1875
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:23,040
I would be hesitant to support a
moratorum because at the end of the day,

1876
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:29,439
the the community's goal here is no data
center. um and and then doing a

1877
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:35,359
moratorum, it basically paves the way
for a data center to be here.

1878
02:58:32,399 --> 02:58:39,279
I am simply not of the opinion that no
data center is an option for Howell

1879
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:45,439
Township.
I'm also the of the opinion that

1880
02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:51,920
uh these farming families have invested
into their properties and should be able

1881
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:57,439
to sell them to who they want. And when
that developer comes in, then we have

1882
02:58:54,080 --> 02:59:01,359
questions that need to be answered. I
believe there is a system in place to

1883
02:58:59,439 --> 02:59:06,640
answer all those questions. There's
preliminary site plan approvals and uh

1884
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:12,800
performance guarantees that can be put
in place to protect the people of all

1885
02:59:09,279 --> 02:59:18,640
the concerns set forth here today.
I would be willing to support a

1886
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:26,000
moratorum but I do want to be clear that
I am not a a no data center advocate. Um

1887
02:59:23,040 --> 02:59:31,960
I believe this is the opportunity for
this country to move forward. I believe

1888
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:31,960
it will present

1889
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:46,200
» I believe it'll present more opportunity
than it'll take away.

1890
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:46,200
Come on.

1891
02:59:46,800 --> 02:59:55,880
» Shame on you. You're a liar.
>> Hey,

1892
02:59:51,359 --> 02:59:55,880
» we let you speak. Let him speak.

1893
03:00:00,800 --> 03:00:04,520
» You signed the NBA.

1894
03:00:12,880 --> 03:00:18,680
I believe I've said all I've had to say.
Um,

1895
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:24,720
» come on.
>> Please,

1896
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:29,560
» sir.
>> Live here.

1897
03:00:26,560 --> 03:00:29,560
» Stop.

1898
03:00:31,200 --> 03:00:35,439
Get that out of here and then we'll
put it into a land truck.

1899
03:00:34,560 --> 03:00:40,720
» Come on.
>> Can we have a meeting, please?

1900
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:44,160
» No. He needs to resign.
>> All right, we're done.

1901
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:49,760
» Yeah, that's all I've had to say. Thank
you, Mr. Supervisor.

1902
03:00:47,279 --> 03:00:54,319
» All right. Is there any motions?
>> Mr. Mr. Chair, I I do have some

1903
03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:58,960
additional discussion. Uh, I would just
like to add that I am not I do not

1904
03:00:57,120 --> 03:01:05,040
believe that a data center is a a
terribly bad thing. I I I think it I

1905
03:01:02,479 --> 03:01:13,600
think it may I think it we and we have
to think of exclusionary zoning also. So

1906
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:16,960
» can I can I finish? Can I finish?
>> Not a dime. Not a dime. Not a dime.

1907
03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:22,080
Sorry.
>> Okay.

1908
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:26,160
» So my concern is the zoning. That's
zoned agricultural preservation. I I

1909
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:30,880
think 88% of the people have spoken.
They want to keep it there.

1910
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:35,600
Um,
>> so maybe the maybe the choice for a data

1911
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:38,640
center isn't in that location.
>> Correct.

1912
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:43,520
» But regardless, we still need an
ordinance to regulate data centers

1913
03:01:41,760 --> 03:01:48,640
» wherever they are.
>> So in that respect, I support the

1914
03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:54,319
moratorum because it gives us time to do
that. We need time.

1915
03:01:52,160 --> 03:01:59,680
» But I'm also concerned that we don't
change the zoning in the meantime.

1916
03:01:57,439 --> 03:02:01,680
Now if
>> it

1917
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:07,600
» okay
>> so my motion was to enact the moratorum

1918
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:15,000
with the language that includes
the reasonzoning at the same time.

1919
03:02:11,600 --> 03:02:15,000
» Is there support?

1920
03:02:21,680 --> 03:02:32,160
» Okay. No support. Second motion. We have
>> some decorum.

1921
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:38,160
Just go ahead. Um I am I would be
concerned that we are as Trusty

1922
03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:44,240
Hoenstein said, we're treating uh a
specific situation that's already in

1923
03:02:40,479 --> 03:02:50,000
process differently than other
applications that have come before us.

1924
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:55,040
» And that would be my concern with that.
>> So as far as as far as as far as adding

1925
03:02:52,720 --> 03:03:01,920
this language, right? I think if we want
to if as as Mr. Patterson had stated

1926
03:02:59,600 --> 03:03:07,359
the the power to approve or deny the
resoning is already coming to us on

1927
03:03:04,399 --> 03:03:10,000
December 8th. That's that's that that's
why.

1928
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:13,600
» So
Jonathan, maybe you can help me out as a

1929
03:03:11,520 --> 03:03:18,399
zoning administrator. If a if a
reasonzoning is denied, the applicant is

1930
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:23,600
is barred from applying again for how
long?

1931
03:03:20,080 --> 03:03:28,640
» I believe the ordinance is a year. So if
we enact this moratorum on an ordinance

1932
03:03:25,439 --> 03:03:33,359
and the resoning comes back in de in our
December meeting December 8th I believe

1933
03:03:30,399 --> 03:03:35,760
correct and it's denied the applicant
would have to wait a year.

1934
03:03:35,359 --> 03:03:39,920
» Yes.
>> Or he's going to get approved.

1935
03:03:38,880 --> 03:03:45,520
» I'm sorry. Say that again.
>> Or he will get approved.

1936
03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:48,560
» So you're Okay. So if the if the board
has the the public hearing on the 8th of

1937
03:03:47,840 --> 03:03:51,520
December.
>> Yes.

1938
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:56,800
There's there's multiple options that
the board can make, but if they approve

1939
03:03:54,000 --> 03:04:01,840
it and the moratorium's in place, they
can't move forward with citing a a data

1940
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:06,560
center on this property.
>> But at that point, the land's already

1941
03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:09,040
zoned as re research and technology.
>> If if you if the board says yes, then

1942
03:04:08,479 --> 03:04:13,920
yes.
>> Okay.

1943
03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:21,279
If we enact the moratorum and then say
no, then the property is not reszoned,

1944
03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:26,240
but people still cannot apply to have a
data center cited in the township while

1945
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:30,720
we work on the ordinance.
>> So that's the option.

1946
03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:34,800
» But if if it's a no, then the applicant
cannot come back to reszone that

1947
03:04:32,399 --> 03:04:38,520
property for a year.
>> I believe that's correct.

1948
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:44,960
So would it be in the benefit of the
applicant to possibly wait six months

1949
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:49,920
until a decision can be made?
>> Would it benefit the applicant?

1950
03:04:47,040 --> 03:04:53,640
» Possibly.
>> Who are you working for?

1951
03:04:53,680 --> 03:05:04,720
» I don't I don't I don't
I I'm just trying to get the six months

1952
03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:10,560
moratorum for the zoning in actually. So
>> I guess

1953
03:05:07,359 --> 03:05:16,439
I didn't hear. I didn't hear.
>> Did you have a question?

1954
03:05:13,439 --> 03:05:16,439
» Well,

1955
03:05:17,120 --> 03:05:22,240
» so it it if it comes back on the 8th,
it's either got to be approved or

1956
03:05:20,479 --> 03:05:24,240
denied.
>> Correct.

1957
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:26,319
» Approved, denied. Or you could say you
want you could move it to more meetings.

1958
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:29,520
I mean, we
>> or we could have additional meetings.

1959
03:05:27,760 --> 03:05:32,160
» Correct. But yeah, your decisions under
the zoning ordinance are approve or deny

1960
03:05:31,040 --> 03:05:36,160
the conditional reszoning that's
presented.

1961
03:05:33,279 --> 03:05:40,000
» Okay.
But if it was denied, they would have to

1962
03:05:38,319 --> 03:05:42,640
wait.
>> One year on the same request. Yeah.

1963
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:46,880
» I'm sorry.
>> One year on the same request.

1964
03:05:44,800 --> 03:05:50,560
» All right.
>> By then, we can put it on a ballot, vote

1965
03:05:49,120 --> 03:05:54,760
it all down.
>> Okay.

1966
03:05:51,760 --> 03:05:54,760
» So,

1967
03:05:58,960 --> 03:06:03,000
» discussion should be on the mics.

1968
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:08,399
So has the has the motion died from lack
of

1969
03:06:06,399 --> 03:06:14,240
» Yeah, there's lack of support. So
>> I mean so I would make a motion to

1970
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:18,720
support the moratorum as presented and
set the uh current resoning application

1971
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:24,960
for a public hearing on December 8th at
the township board meeting. Um as a side

1972
03:06:22,720 --> 03:06:29,200
comment so that the
community gets an answer and so does the

1973
03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:33,760
applicant and it's being treated every
applicant the same.

1974
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:38,319
Okay. Is there support?
>> Support.

1975
03:06:35,279 --> 03:06:43,840
» Motion by Hornstein and seconded by
>> Fagan. Thank you

1976
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:49,120
discussion.
>> So I'm going to support the moratorum on

1977
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:52,800
the ordinance and we'll look forward to
the vote on the 8th.

1978
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:56,399
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Uh roll call.

1979
03:06:54,160 --> 03:06:58,479
» We need a we need a ordinance number
first.

1980
03:06:57,439 --> 03:07:06,840
» 296.
>> Right. Sorry. I I amend my motion to

1981
03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:06,840
include the number ordinance 296.

1982
03:07:12,319 --> 03:07:20,319
» Okay. Roll call, please.
>> Ball,

1983
03:07:19,120 --> 03:07:22,399
» yes.
>> Counts,

1984
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:24,560
» yes.
>> Wilson,

1985
03:07:23,520 --> 03:07:27,120
» yes.
>> Doss,

1986
03:07:25,359 --> 03:07:29,439
» yes. Fagan,
>> yes. Hoenstein,

1987
03:07:28,640 --> 03:07:32,240
» yes.
>> Caddington,

1988
03:07:30,479 --> 03:07:36,399
» yes.
Ordinance passes.

1989
03:07:34,720 --> 03:07:41,840
Our motion passes along with the
ordinance.

1990
03:07:39,120 --> 03:07:46,479
Um, move on to unfinished business,
renewable energy ordinance overlay

1991
03:07:43,760 --> 03:07:52,800
district.
Um, if you'll remember from the last

1992
03:07:48,560 --> 03:07:56,080
meeting, we had microphone. Sorry.
If you'll remember from the last

1993
03:07:54,080 --> 03:08:03,040
meeting, we had a couple of changes to
the ordinance. Those changes have been

1994
03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:06,479
made and u the ordinance before you
um

1995
03:08:04,880 --> 03:08:09,880
you want to pause for a couple of
minutes and let

1996
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:14,040
» Sorry.

1997
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:23,240
Good night.

1998
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:49,000
Everybody.

1999
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:12,920
» Uh, no. I can get it.
>> They're extra special.

2000
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:12,920
Yeah, probably not that.

2001
03:10:41,760 --> 03:10:46,319
So you don't have to
>> I'd like to make a motion that we recess

2002
03:10:44,800 --> 03:10:49,600
for 10 minutes.
>> Support bowl.

2003
03:10:47,840 --> 03:10:52,000
» Motion supported for recess for 10
minutes. All those in favor?

2004
03:10:51,439 --> 03:10:56,399
» I
>> opposed. Recess for 10 minutes. You got

2005
03:10:54,560 --> 03:10:59,399
a timer.
Okay.

2006
03:17:45,920 --> 03:17:49,479
I'm missing Tanya.

2007
03:17:56,239 --> 03:17:59,760
» Where the hell did she go?
>> Hm.

2008
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:04,800
» She went to check the batteries.
>> I don't know where she went. Maybe she

2009
03:18:02,160 --> 03:18:08,000
went to pick up her stuff. Oh, we did
have a deputy here.

2010
03:18:08,239 --> 03:18:11,720
could have used him.

2011
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:17,359
» See
>> what

2012
03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:21,600
» if she back out there.
>> Yeah, she probably went to the bathroom

2013
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:24,600
or something. I don't know where she
went.

2014
03:18:27,040 --> 03:18:30,840
» She still got three minutes.

2015
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:38,000
» We can't start without her cuz that
cause all kinds of problems. Pretty sad

2016
03:18:34,960 --> 03:18:40,239
when she's the important one.
>> You can start without me, but you can't

2017
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:45,560
start without.
>> Right. That's what I said. Pretty sad

2018
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:45,560
when she's the important one.

2019
03:18:55,359 --> 03:18:58,920
» What do we do?

2020
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:16,600
Oh, there she is. She's coming.
>> Here she comes.

2021
03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:51,600
That's it.
>> Okay. Is there a motion to reopen the

2022
03:19:51,040 --> 03:19:53,840
meeting?
>> I'll make that motion.

2023
03:19:52,880 --> 03:19:58,160
» Support.
>> Motion by DOS, second by accounts.

2024
03:19:56,720 --> 03:20:01,760
All those in favor?
>> I

2025
03:19:58,720 --> 03:20:05,200
» I opposed. Okay, back to renewable
energy ordinance.

2026
03:20:03,359 --> 03:20:09,840
» Um, so you member from the last meeting,
we asked for two updates. The to update

2027
03:20:07,840 --> 03:20:14,160
the bond rating to match what county
planning had suggested and then

2028
03:20:12,239 --> 03:20:20,640
including that noise be measured at the
property line um not at a neighboring

2029
03:20:17,439 --> 03:20:24,640
properties wall. Uh so we did make those
updates and that's what you have before

2030
03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:29,239
you.
Okay. Questions, comments, concerns?

2031
03:20:29,279 --> 03:20:36,720
» I got a question. Uh, Mr. Supervisor, if
I may ask the planning commission

2032
03:20:35,120 --> 03:20:43,920
representative,
Mr. Bull, um, this solar overlay

2033
03:20:40,640 --> 03:20:49,040
ordinance when it was taken upon by the
planning commission, how did that come

2034
03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:54,960
about? Was that by recommendation of the
board or is this uh, something that's

2035
03:20:51,760 --> 03:21:00,720
been sitting there for a while?
Do you recall

2036
03:20:56,880 --> 03:21:03,760
» solar solar solar overlay was was there
before I came to the planning

2037
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:09,600
commission. It it had just been tossed
out there in areas of the township where

2038
03:21:07,359 --> 03:21:15,439
if and when industrial solar approached
us, would we have an area to put it in

2039
03:21:12,640 --> 03:21:19,279
and not be subject to exclusionary
zoning?

2040
03:21:16,960 --> 03:21:22,279
So that area was added in there for that
reason.

2041
03:21:22,640 --> 03:21:30,160
did. So, you said it had been sitting
there for a while untouched. What was

2042
03:21:28,560 --> 03:21:35,120
the
um what was the initiative that got that

2043
03:21:33,040 --> 03:21:38,479
moving along again? Was that initiative?
>> It was during the discussion in one of

2044
03:21:36,960 --> 03:21:41,840
the plan one of the several planning
commission meetings we had on it. I

2045
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:46,239
don't recall who brought it up.
>> Okay. So, the planning commission took

2046
03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:47,359
the initiative to bring that back on the
table.

2047
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:51,800
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um,

2048
03:21:55,520 --> 03:22:06,040
that's all I have on that. Okay.
Any other questions, concerns,

2049
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:06,040
motions?

2050
03:22:10,160 --> 03:22:14,720
Uh, move to accept. Is it I'm sorry
before we start. Is it 297?

2051
03:22:14,239 --> 03:22:21,359
» Yes.
>> Okay. Um move to accept ordinance 297,

2052
03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:28,880
the zoning ordinance amendment
um the renewable energy facilities and

2053
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:34,560
overlay district as presented.
>> Support bowl.

2054
03:22:31,920 --> 03:22:35,359
» Motion by Henstein, second by that
right?

2055
03:22:35,040 --> 03:22:40,040
» Correct.
>> Thank you.

2056
03:22:37,040 --> 03:22:40,040
» Discussion.

2057
03:22:40,640 --> 03:22:46,479
Roll call.
>> Hoenstein. Yes.

2058
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:49,439
» Bull.
>> Yes.

2059
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:52,080
» Counts.
>> No.

2060
03:22:51,120 --> 03:22:54,080
» Wilson.
>> No.

2061
03:22:53,200 --> 03:22:56,000
» Fagan.
>> Yes.

2062
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:57,760
» Doss.
>> Yes.

2063
03:22:56,800 --> 03:23:00,760
» Caddington.
>> Yes.

2064
03:23:00,960 --> 03:23:08,880
» Okay. Ordinance passes.
Other unfinished business? Hell Township

2065
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:12,239
versus Fagan.
Justformational.

2066
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:18,600
» Justformational.
New business to 2026 water connection

2067
03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:18,600
fee.

2068
03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:29,760
So, our ordinance requires that we um
set our water connection fee. If we

2069
03:23:26,800 --> 03:23:36,479
don't, um it it mandates that it goes up
by 5%. Um we have held the water and

2070
03:23:33,439 --> 03:23:44,319
sewer connection fee steady for several
years now. Um, but we do that through uh

2071
03:23:41,359 --> 03:23:48,080
resolution. So, you do have the
ordinance before you. The board can set

2072
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:53,760
a different rate other than what it
currently is, which is $5,000.

2073
03:23:50,560 --> 03:23:59,560
Um, if we do nothing or we don't approve
uh a different rate, then it will

2074
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:59,560
automatically go up by 5%.

2075
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:10,000
Okay. Thoughts, questions?
Mr. Mr. Chair, I reached out to um our

2076
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:14,880
assessor and asked about
how we're doing on our sewer and water

2077
03:24:12,160 --> 03:24:18,880
fund and he said we're fine just holding
it as it is and we can hold it with no

2078
03:24:17,279 --> 03:24:24,319
increase
and I would make a motion

2079
03:24:21,520 --> 03:24:29,439
to have a zero increase
>> support.

2080
03:24:26,479 --> 03:24:33,520
Okay. Motion by second by counts.
Discussion.

2081
03:24:30,960 --> 03:24:37,840
Uh, I have a question I guess directed
as at the board as a whole or those who

2082
03:24:36,080 --> 03:24:42,920
may have more knowledge. Is there any
room for a decrease in the rates

2083
03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:51,200
or would that be bad practice? You know,
there's something we could give back or

2084
03:24:48,800 --> 03:24:56,479
make it easier for uh residential
development.

2085
03:24:53,920 --> 03:24:59,840
» So, I I I if I can answer a little bit,
Mr. Chair, when speaking with Brent, he

2086
03:24:58,479 --> 03:25:04,319
said next year that might be something
that we need to look at that we that we

2087
03:25:01,680 --> 03:25:09,520
would be able to look at. So, if that
helps at all.

2088
03:25:07,279 --> 03:25:12,880
Well, in in our this this board and and
it's been this been going on for a

2089
03:25:10,880 --> 03:25:17,760
while, even before some of the new
members, um we've been discussing that

2090
03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:23,040
once the sewer and water debt is
completely paid off, that we would be

2091
03:25:19,840 --> 03:25:26,160
looking at a full rate investigation
between what we charge for sewer, what

2092
03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:30,880
we charge for water, what we charge for
connection fees to make sure that what

2093
03:25:28,399 --> 03:25:35,439
we're charging is is fair and equitable.
But in really until that's paid off, we

2094
03:25:33,680 --> 03:25:38,960
didn't really want to mess too much with
what's going on. We don't want to make

2095
03:25:37,120 --> 03:25:42,960
it any harder for homes and more
expensive for homes to hook up. If we

2096
03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:46,479
can do that and we've been able to hold
that rate steady for I wish I'd have

2097
03:25:45,200 --> 03:25:51,840
written the number down, but it's been
several years since we've changed it.

2098
03:25:49,600 --> 03:25:57,359
Um, so we are we are trying to to keep
the fee as as contained as we can until

2099
03:25:54,800 --> 03:26:01,279
that is actually paid off and then do a
full picture look at our sewer and water

2100
03:25:59,520 --> 03:26:04,880
stuff.
Just to be clear when you say paid off

2101
03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:09,680
you mean pay back the general fund.
>> Yeah. So right as as you know we've we

2102
03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:13,279
paid off the the bonds but the general
fund is still owed a lot of money from

2103
03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:18,000
the sewer and water fund. So we are
working towards paying that back and

2104
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:20,479
that is the the goal we have set to say
all right now we're going to look at

2105
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:25,040
everything
>> and and these connection fees actually

2106
03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:30,319
go into the system to pay for
maintenance on the system and and things

2107
03:26:27,840 --> 03:26:34,560
like that. Right. So technically when
you pay your connection fee, you're

2108
03:26:31,920 --> 03:26:37,920
paying for your slice of the if this
we're talking about sewer, the sewer

2109
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:43,600
plant. So you're paying for your little
slice. Um yeah, I mean that this money

2110
03:26:41,120 --> 03:26:47,920
goes into a fund that when things need
to be done, this is what it gets paid

2111
03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:51,520
out of. And you know, the connection
fees is the main way that we've been

2112
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:55,520
able to pay for all of the updates at
the wastewater treatment plant that we

2113
03:26:53,200 --> 03:27:01,520
have made to try to keep it in, you
know, really good shape.

2114
03:26:58,720 --> 03:27:07,439
Thank you.
>> Okay. Any other discussion?

2115
03:27:04,479 --> 03:27:10,160
» Does that need to be done by resolution?
>> That doesn't need a resolution number.

2116
03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:13,439
That was going to be my next question.
If they could if you could give us the

2117
03:27:11,760 --> 03:27:16,160
resolution number so they could add that
back in.

2118
03:27:14,880 --> 03:27:21,840
» 558.
>> 558. And if Mr. B will accept that.

2119
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:22,640
» Would that be for both of them?
>> No.

2120
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:25,520
» Nope.
>> 559.

2121
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:34,319
» 59.
So I would make resolution 11.2558

2122
03:27:29,760 --> 03:27:38,960
and 559 as 0% increases
for the following year.

2123
03:27:37,840 --> 03:27:40,399
So you're going to do both of them the
same time

2124
03:27:39,520 --> 03:27:43,399
» if we could.
>> Okay.

2125
03:27:43,840 --> 03:27:50,319
» I'll accept the changes.
>> Okay.

2126
03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:54,800
Any discussion?
Roll call.

2127
03:27:52,720 --> 03:27:56,479
» Doss. Yes.
Counts.

2128
03:27:55,840 --> 03:27:58,080
» Yes.
>> Wilson,

2129
03:27:57,439 --> 03:27:59,600
» yes.
>> Fagan,

2130
03:27:58,960 --> 03:28:01,120
» yes.
>> Bull,

2131
03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:02,800
» yes.
>> Hoenstein,

2132
03:28:02,160 --> 03:28:05,760
» yes.
>> Paddington,

2133
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:11,120
» you were last.
>> I'm sorry. Yes,

2134
03:28:07,840 --> 03:28:15,279
I can't hear you. So, I said yes to him.
Oh,

2135
03:28:11,520 --> 03:28:21,560
» but yes, I'm I'm a yes also. Sorry.
Okay.

2136
03:28:16,960 --> 03:28:21,560
Uh 2026 meeting dates.

2137
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:28,800
Um, we also have to set our meeting
dates by resolution. Um, and so the

2138
03:28:26,560 --> 03:28:34,720
clerk's department prepared the
following calendars and uh general dates

2139
03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:38,960
following our the rules for our
meetings. Uh, we do have exceptions for

2140
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:44,080
some of the meetings. Uh, just as an
example, the planning commission and ZBA

2141
03:28:42,160 --> 03:28:48,960
in November and December don't meet
their typical week because of the

2142
03:28:46,160 --> 03:28:53,120
holiday. So, we we bump those up a week.
Um and we always run into issues with

2143
03:28:51,120 --> 03:28:59,279
the township board in March for the
March border review. So um sometimes

2144
03:28:56,080 --> 03:29:03,760
those dates get uh moved beyond what is
the normal schedule. But they prepared

2145
03:29:01,359 --> 03:29:09,880
these and the resolution
um for your review.

2146
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:09,880
Okay.

2147
03:29:10,080 --> 03:29:17,080
Discussion motions. Move to accept
resolution number 11.2560.

2148
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:23,600
support.
>> Motion by council, second by Honstein.

2149
03:29:21,359 --> 03:29:27,120
Discussion
roll call.

2150
03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:29,520
» Hoenstein.
>> Yes.

2151
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:31,439
» Fagan,
>> yes.

2152
03:29:30,399 --> 03:29:33,040
» B,
>> yes.

2153
03:29:32,239 --> 03:29:34,640
» Counts,
>> yes.

2154
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:36,239
» Doss,
>> yes.

2155
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:37,920
» Wilson,
>> yes.

2156
03:29:36,960 --> 03:29:40,920
» Caddington,
>> yes.

2157
03:29:41,680 --> 03:29:46,760
Foil appeal for Ben Gresco.

2158
03:29:46,960 --> 03:29:51,520
Uh, Chris Patterson, again, I said I
would assist on this. I don't think

2159
03:29:49,840 --> 03:29:54,319
you've regularly actually had a FOYA
appeal, so we did put the documents

2160
03:29:52,960 --> 03:29:56,800
there, but I thought I'd give it just a
quick summary overview of what you're

2161
03:29:55,680 --> 03:30:02,399
looking at, and then if you had
questions, um, you can certainly ask

2162
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:07,359
those. We, the township received a foyer
request, which is in the packet. It's

2163
03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:11,680
the email that lists um the different
documents that were selected to be

2164
03:30:10,160 --> 03:30:15,760
retrieved through the foyer request
process including all emails text

2165
03:30:14,080 --> 03:30:18,800
messages as a list of items related to
correspondence and the subject matter

2166
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:23,120
sort of relates to the the data center
piece that's been talked about earlier

2167
03:30:20,399 --> 03:30:27,520
this evening. When we process or receive
the foyer request the statute has

2168
03:30:25,439 --> 03:30:31,600
specific timelines related to responding
and then we have to also look at certain

2169
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:38,000
exemptions. So if you look at the
document that was then um presented

2170
03:30:34,239 --> 03:30:42,880
which is the October 13th 2025 response
that was from our office um by a

2171
03:30:40,399 --> 03:30:46,160
colleague in my office. We did grant the
request. So it says partial grant

2172
03:30:44,560 --> 03:30:49,840
partial denial is required by the
statute to list whatever items we

2173
03:30:47,760 --> 03:30:54,960
wouldn't provide but the requests were
actually um reviewed. Correspondence was

2174
03:30:52,960 --> 03:30:58,640
sent out documenting those requests to
all the township board members, any

2175
03:30:56,640 --> 03:31:03,520
bodies or or even department heads who
would have received documents. That was

2176
03:31:00,239 --> 03:31:07,040
all compiled. And there are two sort of
sets of categories for which were not

2177
03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:10,399
produced. That was like personal
information related to contact

2178
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:13,840
information or details that might be on
a letter and email that to um the

2179
03:31:12,640 --> 03:31:17,200
knowledge of those who reviewed the
records was not in the public record.

2180
03:31:15,760 --> 03:31:20,239
And then the second piece would just be
any attorney client privileged. If you

2181
03:31:18,800 --> 03:31:22,640
if you look for all emails or
correspondence, there'd be legal

2182
03:31:21,520 --> 03:31:27,040
opinions and stuff that could come
within that fold, those are allowed to

2183
03:31:24,319 --> 03:31:30,800
be um exempted from production just like
would happen with any litigation that we

2184
03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:34,880
do that partial grant and denial. The
way the FOYA process works because this

2185
03:31:32,399 --> 03:31:37,920
does relate to the appeal. You have to
calculate there's a worksheet that was

2186
03:31:36,319 --> 03:31:41,680
provided to you in the packet. The
calculation of those fees is

2187
03:31:39,279 --> 03:31:46,880
specifically prescribed by statute that
was done by the township in calculating

2188
03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:52,800
a fee of approximately $297.
If that initial fee estimate exceeds

2189
03:31:49,600 --> 03:31:58,160
$50, then you you end up asking for a
good faith deposit of 50%. So that was

2190
03:31:55,200 --> 03:32:04,160
paid. It was approximately $150.
Currently, there remains outstanding um

2191
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:07,279
an amount that is about 14310. So that's
what's documented in the response. So

2192
03:32:05,760 --> 03:32:12,080
just so you understand the basic request
and then the response, it was granted

2193
03:32:09,200 --> 03:32:16,239
but for really redactions, removing some
personal identifying information. Uh and

2194
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:19,680
then the attorney client priv any
attorney client privilege pieces that

2195
03:32:17,840 --> 03:32:24,399
would have been subject to the scope of
that. The individual does have a right

2196
03:32:22,640 --> 03:32:29,279
which we put the statute in the packet
15240 sub A. They're allowed to appeal

2197
03:32:27,040 --> 03:32:32,880
to the head of the public body. You are
the public body as the board. So we

2198
03:32:30,960 --> 03:32:38,560
bring appeals to you to determine
whether you are going to want to affirm

2199
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:42,640
or modify what is currently been the
partial grant and denials by the FOY

2200
03:32:40,560 --> 03:32:46,880
coordinator. The appeal that you
received is actually the first part in

2201
03:32:44,160 --> 03:32:52,640
your packet. And so they identified
essentially three reasons. One is the

2202
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:56,560
cost for purposes of the appeal. Uh and
then there was an issue with respect to

2203
03:32:54,239 --> 03:33:00,080
the scope of the partial denials that
did happen and then also a request.

2204
03:32:58,479 --> 03:33:03,520
There's a process in the statute. You
can do a public interest waiver, but

2205
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:08,080
those public interest waiverss typically
can relate to pretty narrow grounds and

2206
03:33:05,840 --> 03:33:13,680
so that was not applied in this case. So
that is coming before you. Normally the

2207
03:33:10,960 --> 03:33:17,760
way that these are handled is in the
latter part of your packet after you get

2208
03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:22,080
past the worksheet in the statute. This
is just a proposed determination. So it'

2209
03:33:20,319 --> 03:33:26,000
have to be the action item would be to
accept that as presented or you could

2210
03:33:23,920 --> 03:33:30,720
modify it if you wanted to reverse some
piece of what was done. Um but what's

2211
03:33:28,239 --> 03:33:35,120
currently being presented is to affirm
both what is actually being asked of as

2212
03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:39,760
a FOYA fee appeal. You're allowed to
first appeal the fees. And what we

2213
03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:44,000
provided you is the worksheet. It's
calculated in 15-minute increments and

2214
03:33:42,319 --> 03:33:47,200
it has to be using the lowest paid
employee which what what which what was

2215
03:33:45,520 --> 03:33:50,880
done. Now the problem is the request is
so broad there was various employees

2216
03:33:49,040 --> 03:33:54,479
involved. So the township used that
lowest employee for the different parts

2217
03:33:52,479 --> 03:33:57,520
of the records that could be located.
Those were build in those 15-minute

2218
03:33:56,080 --> 03:34:01,920
increments. That's how you get to that
297. The request I think there was like

2219
03:34:00,080 --> 03:34:05,040
almost over 15 hours spent sort of
coordinating and finding all these

2220
03:34:03,359 --> 03:34:10,800
different records to produce to the
requester. So we in the document that's

2221
03:34:08,560 --> 03:34:14,960
before you, we have recommended to
uphold the fee calculation. The FOYA

2222
03:34:12,800 --> 03:34:18,239
coordinator did do it correctly and it's
not unreasonably high in relation to the

2223
03:34:16,960 --> 03:34:23,279
amount of documents and the amount of
searching, locating, copying uh and

2224
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:28,000
review that was done.
That's would be on the first page of

2225
03:34:24,720 --> 03:34:31,680
that proposed letter to accept. The uh
next part was an issue that was taken

2226
03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:35,439
related to the lowest employee that was
capable of doing it. Because the search

2227
03:34:33,600 --> 03:34:40,160
did include public records that would be
in emails, phones that we also asked for

2228
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:43,840
from department heads, we have to rely
on those specific department heads to

2229
03:34:41,760 --> 03:34:47,279
search their devices. That's there and
why that lowest hourly rate was the

2230
03:34:46,080 --> 03:34:51,200
correct hourly rate in that fee
calculation. So we are recommending uh

2231
03:34:49,840 --> 03:34:55,439
that that was done correctly and
calculated as well. And then there was a

2232
03:34:53,840 --> 03:34:59,920
question related to the amount of time
spent for purposes of similar foyer

2233
03:34:57,439 --> 03:35:04,640
requests. But the sort of broad nature
of the request itself, the all any there

2234
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:09,600
really wasn't a similar request. So the
fee calculations go into looking at the

2235
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:14,319
amount of hours and locations for those
specific documents plus then the review

2236
03:35:11,760 --> 03:35:17,840
for any redaction polling of privilege
to produce it. So we think it was done

2237
03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:21,600
correctly. We're recommending that the
FOYA coordinator be affirmed on that

2238
03:35:19,520 --> 03:35:24,399
ground as well. Um, and then I think
there's certainly obviously discretion

2239
03:35:23,120 --> 03:35:29,200
in the application of the public
interest fee. Historically, the township

2240
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:33,200
has in a case similar to this, uh, they
would not apply that public interest fee

2241
03:35:30,960 --> 03:35:36,560
waiver. We certainly appreciate that
individuals would want those public

2242
03:35:34,880 --> 03:35:39,439
records. We regularly produce those, but
they do cause a pretty high

2243
03:35:37,680 --> 03:35:43,120
administrative burden and cost on the
township for purposes of the normal

2244
03:35:41,840 --> 03:35:47,120
business that someone might be doing
when we otherwise ask you all to then

2245
03:35:44,880 --> 03:35:51,040
coordinate produce those records. So,
we're recommending that the public

2246
03:35:49,439 --> 03:35:54,960
interest fee waiver that was denied in
the original response would continue to

2247
03:35:52,960 --> 03:35:59,200
be the case, which then would mean that
those fees would be charged. There is an

2248
03:35:57,520 --> 03:36:03,600
actual also piece that's raised in the
appeal which we did address in the end.

2249
03:36:01,439 --> 03:36:07,120
Um, as far as the redactions that are
applied. Now, we did analyze that and we

2250
03:36:05,920 --> 03:36:10,319
think that the redactions that are
applied are appropriate. The only

2251
03:36:08,479 --> 03:36:14,960
interesting thing I'll note is that
there's actually still an outstanding

2252
03:36:12,399 --> 03:36:18,080
amount on the fee. So the document
hadn't actually been received. So to my

2253
03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:21,920
knowledge, the requester doesn't
actually have the documents to know the

2254
03:36:20,479 --> 03:36:25,439
extent that we applied the proper
redactions, if that makes sense. But we

2255
03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:28,319
did go back and we reviewed them
ourselves. They haven't been picked up

2256
03:36:26,880 --> 03:36:31,359
because there's an unpaid amount on the
balance. Um, but we did go back and take

2257
03:36:30,319 --> 03:36:34,399
a look at them. We worked with the
township to confirm that we think all

2258
03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:37,600
the redactions when they are paid and
received are appropriate. So, it's

2259
03:36:36,160 --> 03:36:42,000
probably a little bit premature to to
appeal on that issue, but we we did

2260
03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:45,920
appropriately address it and we do think
that everything was done correctly by

2261
03:36:43,200 --> 03:36:49,279
the forward coordinator on that.
So, the the sum is there needs to be an

2262
03:36:47,520 --> 03:36:55,040
action if you agree with that and what I
just explained if you don't have any

2263
03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:59,040
questions to accept the the uh denial of
the fee appeal and affirm the foyer

2264
03:36:56,800 --> 03:37:03,120
coordinator which we have in in the doc
in the packet. If you accept that, then

2265
03:37:01,359 --> 03:37:06,960
that will end up being sent out when the
township when this township meeting is

2266
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:10,640
complete. And then if you got any
questions, happy to sort of discuss any

2267
03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:17,880
modifications or changes to that
approach.

2268
03:37:13,120 --> 03:37:17,880
Okay, questions, concerns?

2269
03:37:18,399 --> 03:37:24,560
Is Mr. Gusco in the audience?
>> Does he get an opportunity to speak if

2270
03:37:23,520 --> 03:37:27,760
he was here?
>> Uh, if he's here, I'll defer to the

2271
03:37:26,239 --> 03:37:31,279
township if you want him to be able to
present on his

2272
03:37:28,720 --> 03:37:36,560
» I have no issue.
And these documents haven't been picked

2273
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:39,520
up as of yet.
>> And they were processed separately. I

2274
03:37:38,080 --> 03:37:42,560
know there was at least three different
FOYAS and they were all processed

2275
03:37:41,520 --> 03:37:46,160
separately.
>> Yeah, they're all processed separately.

2276
03:37:44,239 --> 03:37:49,600
The requests are not all identical. So,
as far as what we had to canvas and

2277
03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:52,880
review, we had to request from officials
get collected. It's not all the same,

2278
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:56,080
but those hours are separately
calculated. And of course, if we already

2279
03:37:54,640 --> 03:37:59,120
searched and located records, we're not
I mean, nobody else is getting charged

2280
03:37:57,359 --> 03:38:02,960
for records that have been located. So
that was one of the issues he raised and

2281
03:38:00,560 --> 03:38:05,960
that is addressed in the FOY appeal
determination.

2282
03:38:06,080 --> 03:38:14,000
» I I did notice in his because I saw this
FOYA obviously and um he did include a

2283
03:38:11,920 --> 03:38:17,760
lot of alls and
I understand that

2284
03:38:16,239 --> 03:38:21,800
I think you made mention of that that's
why it would increase the cost.

2285
03:38:22,239 --> 03:38:26,040
Okay. What's your pleasure?

2286
03:38:26,239 --> 03:38:33,760
Um, I will move to adopt the township's
uh township attorney's recommendation as

2287
03:38:31,279 --> 03:38:37,279
to Mr. Greco's Foya appeal and to
authorize the supervisor to sign the

2288
03:38:35,439 --> 03:38:43,600
appeal determination and related
certification for the township

2289
03:38:40,560 --> 03:38:48,960
support. Motion by Holenstein, second by
Fagan. Discussion

2290
03:38:46,319 --> 03:38:52,960
all those in favor.
>> Opposed?

2291
03:38:50,560 --> 03:38:58,080
Motion carries.
planning convention appointment to open

2292
03:38:55,520 --> 03:39:01,040
seat. Um I think we have most of the
applicants here tonight. Have you come

2293
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:05,680
up to the microphone, introduce
yourself, tell you tell us why you're

2294
03:39:03,359 --> 03:39:09,520
interested in doing the job. I'm just
going to take them in the order they

2295
03:39:06,800 --> 03:39:12,520
were in the packet. And Moren Hiken here
first.

2296
03:39:19,200 --> 03:39:25,439
Do you got a mic?
Nope. Bruce,

2297
03:39:24,239 --> 03:39:28,239
there you go. Sounds like he got
something.

2298
03:39:26,319 --> 03:39:33,560
» Nope.
Where'd Bruce go? He's up there.

2299
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:37,479
» Well, that's problematic.

2300
03:39:38,160 --> 03:39:42,800
» I can I can hear you.
>> Mike.

2301
03:39:41,439 --> 03:39:45,840
» Yeah. If you want to
>> try it really loudly. Yeah.

2302
03:39:44,560 --> 03:39:49,760
» Can you hold on a minute so I can put
the recording down there since it's not

2303
03:39:47,680 --> 03:39:53,960
» Oh, okay. Sure.
Maybe Bruce will come back by then.

2304
03:39:54,479 --> 03:39:57,800
» Maybe not.

2305
03:39:58,080 --> 03:40:01,080
» Yeah.

2306
03:40:09,359 --> 03:40:15,359
Well, if you're comfortable talking
loudly, um I guess if if you want to

2307
03:40:13,439 --> 03:40:20,239
come up and use a microphone up here,
that that would be appropriate also, I

2308
03:40:17,359 --> 03:40:20,239
guess.

2309
03:40:23,760 --> 03:40:27,000
My name is

2310
03:40:29,520 --> 03:40:33,399
I've been in Living Countyust

2311
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:44,520
Township

2312
03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:55,000
supervisor in How Township. Oh, look
that

2313
03:40:51,520 --> 03:40:55,000
» Bruce is back.

2314
03:40:55,600 --> 03:41:02,960
And then in that capacity, I also served
on the fire authority, water authority,

2315
03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:08,880
sewer authority,
um

2316
03:41:05,520 --> 03:41:13,439
started the road committee
and uh worked with the uh planning

2317
03:41:11,439 --> 03:41:20,399
commission obviously
in multiple ways and seen many site

2318
03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:25,200
plans as well as reviewed many
townshipwide improvements including

2319
03:41:22,720 --> 03:41:31,439
sewer and water.
I definitely have experience in

2320
03:41:28,880 --> 03:41:37,920
the master plan, zoning and more
ordinances, zoning appeals, public

2321
03:41:34,239 --> 03:41:43,840
hearings. I understand the importance of
following the documentation that we have

2322
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:51,680
and I also understand the importance of
modifying the plans, the ordinances to

2323
03:41:47,840 --> 03:41:56,000
fit when they no longer fit.
And I do think I would make an excellent

2324
03:41:53,680 --> 03:42:01,520
candidate. Not planning on leaving the
township anytime soon.

2325
03:41:58,560 --> 03:42:05,359
So I would really like to take that
experience

2326
03:42:03,359 --> 03:42:12,720
and
get back in and make a difference again.

2327
03:42:09,359 --> 03:42:15,720
» Okay. Thank you,
>> Melissa.

2328
03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:25,279
» Mr. Sure. Would we be able to ask the
applicants questions?

2329
03:42:22,560 --> 03:42:31,920
» Uh, sure. I'm sorry.
>> If if we could have Moren back up there.

2330
03:42:28,319 --> 03:42:35,279
Just one quick question if I may.
>> Yep. Go ahead.

2331
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:39,120
» Thank you, Mr. Supervisor. Uh, Moren,
thanks for being here and thanks for

2332
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:43,840
your application. Very much appreciate
it. Um, in reading your letter, you

2333
03:42:41,600 --> 03:42:47,840
reference that your experience and
vision can support the planning

2334
03:42:45,439 --> 03:42:52,080
commission's important work. Could you
elaborate a little bit on what your

2335
03:42:49,840 --> 03:42:57,439
vision for Howell Township would be,
what that might include?

2336
03:42:54,160 --> 03:43:05,120
» Well, I think it's important that we
hear our residents and right now and it

2337
03:43:02,239 --> 03:43:10,000
honestly has not changed. They want to
maintain a rural community. But on that

2338
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:14,720
we have to balance it with development.
We can't exclude development. That's how

2339
03:43:12,720 --> 03:43:19,439
we lose. So you have to have that
balance of we are still keeping our

2340
03:43:17,199 --> 03:43:24,160
character but we still plan for that
development. And that's where the

2341
03:43:21,920 --> 03:43:28,319
planning commission is really important.
We have to look at where we have

2342
03:43:26,560 --> 03:43:34,640
existing
development right now and start doing

2343
03:43:31,199 --> 03:43:40,520
more complimementaryary planning.
Right now we do not have the best

2344
03:43:36,880 --> 03:43:40,520
complimentary planning.

2345
03:43:40,960 --> 03:43:45,840
» Thank you Morin. That answers my
question.

2346
03:43:43,199 --> 03:43:49,479
» Anybody else have any questions?
>> Okay. Thank you

2347
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:59,760
» again.
Um once again, my name is Alyssa Recker.

2348
03:43:57,760 --> 03:44:04,160
Um so I am not a Howell Township
resident. Um, I live just off Chase Lake

2349
03:44:01,840 --> 03:44:08,800
Road, um, on the Kohaka side of the
line, but I do own agricultural property

2350
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:13,600
in Howell Township over on Burkhart
Road. Um, my husband and I, we moved out

2351
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:18,399
here about 5 years ago. Um, we traded in
short commutes for, uh, a more rural

2352
03:44:16,479 --> 03:44:23,120
lifestyle and everything that this
community has to offer. Um, I'm a

2353
03:44:20,720 --> 03:44:28,160
material science and engineer by degree.
Um but for the last five years I have

2354
03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:35,920
worked as a government affairs official
for um a vehicle manufacturer. Um in my

2355
03:44:32,479 --> 03:44:40,160
jobs it spans everything from ensuring
compliance with all applicable laws and

2356
03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:45,920
regulations working with state and
federal agencies to develop um policy

2357
03:44:43,120 --> 03:44:50,960
recommendations and regulation um and
economic development like plant

2358
03:44:47,520 --> 03:44:54,560
expansion and site selection. Um, it's
given me a huge appreciation for the

2359
03:44:52,560 --> 03:44:58,160
role that folks like you and our
planning commission um, play in our

2360
03:44:56,479 --> 03:45:02,399
communities. I believe that my
background uh, lends itself well to

2361
03:45:00,239 --> 03:45:08,560
being able to look at planning issues
through a datadriven uh, regulatory

2362
03:45:05,359 --> 03:45:13,279
lens. Um, and since I t I intend to be
in this community for a very long time,

2363
03:45:11,279 --> 03:45:16,640
um, these issues are extremely important
to me.

2364
03:45:14,720 --> 03:45:22,800
I've also done a significant amount of
work in the um utility space um like

2365
03:45:20,560 --> 03:45:26,640
utility general rate cases. So given
some of the projects that are before the

2366
03:45:24,640 --> 03:45:31,199
township, I believe that my experience
could be a benefit to the planning

2367
03:45:28,239 --> 03:45:35,600
commission um and this community.
I've seen a lot of boards and agencies

2368
03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:38,560
from this side of the podium. Um, and
the handful of times I've been to the

2369
03:45:36,960 --> 03:45:41,920
Howell Township Planning Commission
meetings, um, I've been incredibly

2370
03:45:40,080 --> 03:45:46,160
impressed by how diligent and
thoughtful, um, every member of that

2371
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:50,080
commission is. So, kudos to you folks.
Um, and it would really be a privilege

2372
03:45:47,840 --> 03:45:55,520
to join them. I'm happy to take any
questions.

2373
03:45:52,560 --> 03:45:59,920
» Uh, just one, and I think you kind of
answered it throughout the night, um,

2374
03:45:57,439 --> 03:46:03,439
but what what sparked your interest in
the open seat in the planning

2375
03:46:01,439 --> 03:46:09,600
commission?
>> Well, I think, um, I've sent in several

2376
03:46:06,239 --> 03:46:12,800
uh letters and um uh recommendations
over the last few weeks both to the

2377
03:46:10,880 --> 03:46:17,600
planning commission and to this board.
Um you know, my home is is just two

2378
03:46:15,120 --> 03:46:21,279
miles from the proposed data center site
and my agricultural property is within a

2379
03:46:19,600 --> 03:46:25,680
mile of the site. So, this is something
that directly affects me. Um and

2380
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:30,720
honestly, when I saw the seat open, I
was very excited to see an opportunity

2381
03:46:27,920 --> 03:46:35,520
to get engaged in in the local process.
Um, I deal with the state and the

2382
03:46:32,800 --> 03:46:41,040
federal uh side of things all day, every
day. Um, and honestly, it it's just an

2383
03:46:39,040 --> 03:46:45,520
exciting opportunity to be able to to
bring what I do um actually back home

2384
03:46:43,680 --> 03:46:49,600
and hopefully benefit the people in this
community.

2385
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:54,479
» Okay, any other questions?
>> I I do have a question. Um, I know

2386
03:46:52,239 --> 03:46:59,600
you've made comments about the the data
center, but believe it or not, the data

2387
03:46:56,640 --> 03:47:03,199
center isn't all we do here. Um, and so
I just want to make sure that your

2388
03:47:00,880 --> 03:47:06,800
interest extends beyond a data center
because an ordinance will eventually get

2389
03:47:05,199 --> 03:47:09,840
done and then we move on to all the
boring stuff where we have one person in

2390
03:47:08,479 --> 03:47:14,080
the audience. I just want to make sure
that you're okay with that.

2391
03:47:11,760 --> 03:47:19,840
» Yeah, absolutely. No, I I do completely
understand that the um the commission is

2392
03:47:17,680 --> 03:47:24,800
has to deal with all issues. Um, so like
I said, I have a background in other

2393
03:47:22,160 --> 03:47:29,040
utility spaces um that I think you know
I can bring some knowledge as well

2394
03:47:26,479 --> 03:47:34,160
whether we're we're um thinking about
things like water and pollution um I

2395
03:47:31,920 --> 03:47:39,040
deal regularly with things like PIFA
regulation um and working through things

2396
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:43,040
like air quality permitting. Um, so
these are all aspects that I think I can

2397
03:47:41,120 --> 03:47:47,120
bring to the planning commission, not
just on the data center project, but

2398
03:47:44,880 --> 03:47:53,040
really on any site plan and any projects
that are proposed in the township.

2399
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:57,960
» Thank you. Okay, any other questions?
Thank you, Elizabeth. Thank you.

2400
03:48:00,000 --> 03:48:03,000
Aaron,

2401
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:23,600
my name's Aaron Curry. Uh, uh, boy, I
grew up from zero to 13 on Bowen Road.

2402
03:48:19,439 --> 03:48:29,520
Um, from that point forward, I was on
Allen Road. About 80% of my life I've

2403
03:48:27,359 --> 03:48:35,600
spent in Howell Township. Uh I live in
Kaka Township now just right over the

2404
03:48:32,000 --> 03:48:39,439
border off of Chase Lake Road. My
interest in serving the planning

2405
03:48:37,920 --> 03:48:46,080
commission
is to being familiar with zoning and

2406
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:51,520
planning and code and um having been on
both sides of the table whether it was

2407
03:48:48,239 --> 03:48:55,120
to propose a project or to rule on it.
My ambition to serve the planning

2408
03:48:53,439 --> 03:49:01,040
commission is to serve the board of
trustees. You guys put together code,

2409
03:48:57,359 --> 03:49:07,439
you put together zoning and that job is
to uh be able to understand it and apply

2410
03:49:04,479 --> 03:49:12,960
it as you guys put it forward. So my job
is simply to come and assist you and be

2411
03:49:10,720 --> 03:49:17,600
even with the community and and take my
expertise of being in real estate for

2412
03:49:15,199 --> 03:49:23,279
more than 30 years and apply it to the
position. Uh, I'm long-term stable. Uh,

2413
03:49:21,439 --> 03:49:27,520
I've lived in Livingston County my whole
life. I've been married more than 30

2414
03:49:25,199 --> 03:49:31,600
years. Have raised my kids here. My
parents are still with me and now my

2415
03:49:29,680 --> 03:49:36,560
grandson's with me. So, I'm happy to
serve should you decide to choose me.

2416
03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:42,560
» Any questions I can answer?
>> Questions?

2417
03:49:37,920 --> 03:49:47,760
» Uh, I just have one and it might
surprise you. Uh, did you use chat GPT

2418
03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:51,279
to write your letter to the township
board?

2419
03:49:48,640 --> 03:49:55,760
» Uh, no. I used my son now. He may have
used Chad GBT to write my letter to the

2420
03:49:54,160 --> 03:49:59,760
board.
>> That's all I have. Thank you.

2421
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:05,040
» Any other questions for Aaron?
>> I I do. Same question. Um, you've made

2422
03:50:03,040 --> 03:50:08,319
comments known about the data center.
>> Sure.

2423
03:50:05,680 --> 03:50:10,960
» Um, your interest extends beyond the
data center.

2424
03:50:09,199 --> 03:50:15,120
» It sure does. Yeah. I'm here to serve
the community long term. I've been here

2425
03:50:12,720 --> 03:50:19,199
my whole life and and I will continue to
serve.

2426
03:50:16,560 --> 03:50:23,279
» You also sit on the township's border
review. Do you have any issues with

2427
03:50:21,120 --> 03:50:28,000
being able to perform both duties?
>> I have no issues with being able to

2428
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:31,840
perform both duties.
>> Okay. Anything else?

2429
03:50:31,040 --> 03:50:37,640
» Thank you.
>> Thank you,

2430
03:50:34,239 --> 03:50:37,640
» Jeff Smith.

2431
03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:41,279
Seen Jeff?
>> No.

2432
03:50:39,439 --> 03:50:44,279
» Okay.
Dan.

2433
03:50:57,279 --> 03:51:08,399
My name is Dan Benol. I've lived in the
township for 32 years. Um my experience

2434
03:51:05,279 --> 03:51:14,160
is I have a uh two degrees, one in
architectural technology and a business

2435
03:51:11,520 --> 03:51:22,960
administration degree. Um I've worked
for since I was I'm 68 now, retired, but

2436
03:51:19,199 --> 03:51:28,640
uh uh my career spans from working for
civil engineering and landscape on and

2437
03:51:25,760 --> 03:51:34,399
uh land land surveying companies um
architectural firms on big scale

2438
03:51:31,439 --> 03:51:43,520
projects. not not I've done some
residential but mostly hospitals and uh

2439
03:51:38,239 --> 03:51:49,920
fort and uh auto plants. Uh I did the uh
plans for the Kensington Metro Parks

2440
03:51:45,840 --> 03:51:53,520
building. Um, so but I so I've been in
the architecture and engineering fields

2441
03:51:51,920 --> 03:51:59,040
for
uh about

2442
03:51:56,080 --> 03:52:07,279
15 years of that and then I owned and
operated a home improvement company uh

2443
03:52:02,399 --> 03:52:13,680
for 10 years and uh then I worked for as
an insurance adjuster on a taskfree

2444
03:52:09,840 --> 03:52:21,600
teams for um three different insurance
companies. So, uh I'm I was also a

2445
03:52:17,359 --> 03:52:28,319
registered uh building code um building
inspector and uh that's pretty much my

2446
03:52:25,920 --> 03:52:37,840
experience. So, I do know all about
ordinances, all about codes. um you know

2447
03:52:32,960 --> 03:52:44,080
and uh my interest in becoming uh uh on
the planning commission is because I

2448
03:52:41,359 --> 03:52:51,920
like the community and I want to see it
grow, but I want to be see it grow in a

2449
03:52:46,640 --> 03:52:58,720
responsible manner and uh and
side with the people to keep it as um a

2450
03:52:55,840 --> 03:53:03,760
rural community that they want but uh
with responsible growth. So that's uh

2451
03:53:01,680 --> 03:53:10,319
that's it in a nutshell.
>> Okay. Thank you. Questions?

2452
03:53:07,760 --> 03:53:15,040
» Yeah. Mr. Banello, uh it's kind of the
same question I asked of another

2453
03:53:12,399 --> 03:53:22,000
applicant. What what was it that sparked
your interest in this open seat? um just

2454
03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:28,000
being just being a resident here and uh
like I said, I love the community and I

2455
03:53:24,560 --> 03:53:35,920
want to see it develop, you know, in a
responsible manner and uh you know, as

2456
03:53:31,199 --> 03:53:41,279
far as like uh uh zones for a a lot of
it's got to do with zoning um and where

2457
03:53:38,080 --> 03:53:46,640
things are and and obviously you know I
do have an issue with the data center

2458
03:53:43,279 --> 03:53:52,800
and uh I'm not embarrassed to say it,
But uh and you know how I stand on that.

2459
03:53:50,960 --> 03:53:59,359
I don't think that property should be
reszoned to uh and there we do have um

2460
03:53:57,680 --> 03:54:03,680
industrial zoning in the township
anyway. You go down McFersonson, you got

2461
03:54:01,279 --> 03:54:09,520
all those big buildings there. Um
anything along a freeway that's, you

2462
03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:14,399
know, already has noise and uh big
buildings that are are here and already

2463
03:54:11,760 --> 03:54:19,600
accepted. Um I think that's a place for
a data center. But um so that's where I

2464
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:22,640
stand. I'm not against data centers.
It's just where they place the data

2465
03:54:21,359 --> 03:54:26,960
centers and that's part of the
responsible

2466
03:54:24,160 --> 03:54:32,880
um zoning.
>> Just one follow-up question if I may.

2467
03:54:29,040 --> 03:54:37,680
» Sure, Mr. Supervisor. Um, all that being
said, if if you were to end up on the

2468
03:54:35,279 --> 03:54:44,399
other side of these tables here and you
had a community uh yelling at you um

2469
03:54:42,160 --> 03:54:49,760
saying maybe you took bribes, things of
that nature, would you be able to hold

2470
03:54:46,399 --> 03:54:53,120
your composure and not uh
lash back at the community?

2471
03:54:51,680 --> 03:54:58,279
» Oh, sure. Sure.
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

2472
03:54:55,279 --> 03:54:58,279
» Okay.

2473
03:54:59,600 --> 03:55:02,840
uh trend.

2474
03:55:11,439 --> 03:55:21,279
» Good evening. My name is Trent Hullman.
I've been in How Township 23 years. Um

2475
03:55:16,960 --> 03:55:26,960
bought property in 2000, built myself,
um did the subcontracting and a lot of

2476
03:55:23,920 --> 03:55:32,800
the work myself, raised a family. Um, I
was encouraged to, um, apply for this

2477
03:55:29,760 --> 03:55:38,399
position due to my interest in public
service. You I can sit there and talk

2478
03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:42,319
about changes to people, but I think I
can better place myself in a position

2479
03:55:40,160 --> 03:55:48,479
where I can help make changes and help
the community to grow. We moved out here

2480
03:55:45,359 --> 03:55:54,080
as a sometimes people call it a
compound. My mother-in-law lives by me,

2481
03:55:50,880 --> 03:55:58,479
my uncle lives by me, and my family. and
we want to continue keeping it a rural

2482
03:55:56,319 --> 03:56:02,960
community as well as balancing the
growth of it. We do need to continue to

2483
03:56:00,640 --> 03:56:09,120
grow the community. Um that's
inevitable. It's going to happen. Um my

2484
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:14,880
experiences in my past 30 years, I have
developed processes to meet governmental

2485
03:56:12,080 --> 03:56:20,239
regulations. uh my current position of
chief operating officer. I deal with

2486
03:56:17,760 --> 03:56:25,680
regulations on a daily basis and
developing processes and policies to

2487
03:56:23,040 --> 03:56:30,000
meet those and keep us out of trouble
and keep our company growing. And I'd

2488
03:56:27,680 --> 03:56:36,399
like to bring those experiences to the
commission.

2489
03:56:32,560 --> 03:56:42,319
» Okay. Questions, concerns, thoughts?
>> I just have one question, Mr. Trent and

2490
03:56:39,439 --> 03:56:47,120
thanks again for being here um and
presenting. Uh reading through your

2491
03:56:44,800 --> 03:56:51,279
letter, you stated that your interest in
joining the commission stems from a

2492
03:56:49,120 --> 03:56:57,439
recent concerns about the direction of
certain township decisions. Uh so what

2493
03:56:55,359 --> 03:57:01,760
are the concerns you have about certain
township decisions or what are those

2494
03:56:59,840 --> 03:57:04,880
decisions specifically that you're
concerned with as you stated in your

2495
03:57:04,319 --> 03:57:10,239
letter?
>> Now some of the decisions have not been

2496
03:57:06,399 --> 03:57:15,600
made yet. Um, I do want to adhere to the
the master plan and taking a look at the

2497
03:57:13,439 --> 03:57:20,800
rural community and trying to maintain
that and I want to be part of those

2498
03:57:18,479 --> 03:57:26,319
processes. Now, the master plan
identifies areas for different growth

2499
03:57:23,600 --> 03:57:31,920
areas and I do believe the master plan's
coming up for re a redo uh an update.

2500
03:57:30,399 --> 03:57:36,560
I'd like to be a part of that so we can
look at those areas and see what is the

2501
03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:40,399
right place to do the continuous growth
in the organiz in the company or

2502
03:57:39,279 --> 03:57:44,560
township.
>> Okay. Any other questions? No further

2503
03:57:42,960 --> 03:57:50,040
questions. Thank you. Questions on the
other end of the board. Okay. Thank you,

2504
03:57:47,040 --> 03:57:50,040
sir.

2505
03:57:50,560 --> 03:57:57,120
» All right. With that, I will make a
recommendation to appoint Trent Hullman

2506
03:57:55,120 --> 03:58:00,120
to the open seat of the planning
commission.

2507
03:58:00,399 --> 03:58:06,080
Move to accept the supervisor's uh
appointment of Trent Hullman to the

2508
03:58:04,319 --> 03:58:09,479
vacant planning commission seat term
ending 123127

2509
03:58:11,520 --> 03:58:21,840
there support
>> support

2510
03:58:17,199 --> 03:58:23,359
motion by Henstein second by discussion
>> Mr. Chair

2511
03:58:22,880 --> 03:58:28,800
» yes
>> I'd like to thank everyone that came out

2512
03:58:27,279 --> 03:58:32,880
I think they're
all good candidates.

2513
03:58:30,880 --> 03:58:37,600
Um I hope if we ever have a vacancy
again, you will reconsider.

2514
03:58:35,199 --> 03:58:41,279
Um because I think you deserve to be
here, but only one person could make it.

2515
03:58:40,479 --> 03:58:45,920
So
>> absolutely.

2516
03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:47,760
Any other discussion? All those in
favor?

2517
03:58:46,960 --> 03:58:54,160
» I
>> opposed. I oppose.

2518
03:58:51,359 --> 03:58:57,040
» I don't like the way you guys uh appoint
people.

2519
03:58:55,279 --> 03:59:00,680
» We got two people, two opposed.
>> Yep. Okay.

2520
03:59:02,640 --> 03:59:07,640
All right. We'll go to call to the
public.

2521
03:59:10,479 --> 03:59:19,199
Oliver Champine from Spring Lake.
If you want to talk about order

2522
03:59:16,960 --> 03:59:24,319
but not care about justice, you're a
coward.

2523
03:59:21,520 --> 03:59:30,000
And the fact that some of you,
Bull being the only one that had the

2524
03:59:26,239 --> 03:59:37,359
goal to be able to even say no
to this project, clear as day, you set

2525
03:59:33,120 --> 03:59:42,000
it back another time. You are cow.
People came here and showed up. A bunch

2526
03:59:39,920 --> 03:59:45,600
of people. And there's not it shouldn't
in a township like this. You never have

2527
03:59:43,520 --> 03:59:50,000
meetings like this. It's so clear as
day.

2528
03:59:47,120 --> 03:59:53,920
Shame on you.
I drove two hours here and I will be

2529
03:59:52,160 --> 03:59:59,040
back on December 8th because I care
about Michigan. I care about our water

2530
03:59:55,920 --> 04:00:04,080
and I care about protecting the people.
You clearly don't because people can

2531
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:07,920
show up day and night here talking to
you, telling you from water to

2532
04:00:06,000 --> 04:00:12,000
electricity bills to not actually
creating that many jobs to destroying

2533
04:00:10,080 --> 04:00:15,520
farmland. What else do they need to tell
you?

2534
04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:19,279
And you want to get mad for people
interrupting? No, you're the

2535
04:00:17,680 --> 04:00:22,960
interruption.
You're the problem. You're going to get

2536
04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:29,760
pissed at me for yelling at you. No,
Shane Hogan, you're a coward.

2537
04:00:26,319 --> 04:00:34,319
You're a coward. A data center is good
for who? Cuz clearly you're making

2538
04:00:32,560 --> 04:00:38,479
something.
There is nothing beneficial for me

2539
04:00:36,479 --> 04:00:42,199
unless you're a goddamn billionaire or
being funded by them.

2540
04:00:42,239 --> 04:00:49,279
» No, you're a coward.
>> Uh, I didn't mean to listen to any of

2541
04:00:47,680 --> 04:00:52,080
you. children.
>> Okay, we're good then.

2542
04:00:50,319 --> 04:00:55,760
» Nope. I got my 30 seconds. I still use
them.

2543
04:00:53,439 --> 04:00:59,560
» Do your job.
>> Learn how to do it.

2544
04:01:11,199 --> 04:01:19,800
» Yeah, you're not in my district.
Because AI center shouldn't be built

2545
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:19,800
anywhere.

2546
04:01:21,439 --> 04:01:26,279
» Do your job.
>> Thank you.

2547
04:01:32,960 --> 04:01:40,080
» Hi, my name is Jennifer Pvenzel. I live
at 245 Foxfire Drive. Um my husband and

2548
04:01:37,920 --> 04:01:46,080
I, we moved out here in 2013 with our
two young kids from Westland. And um we

2549
04:01:42,720 --> 04:01:51,359
came from hearing gunshots and um sirens
out here to a nice peaceful community.

2550
04:01:49,199 --> 04:01:55,040
When we first moved out here, our power
would go out every day, three to five

2551
04:01:53,359 --> 04:01:59,520
times a day. I would reset the clocks
and I would wonder why I can't get into

2552
04:01:57,199 --> 04:02:03,040
my garage. I called DTE and they're
like, "Oh, we have no clue what's going

2553
04:02:01,199 --> 04:02:09,120
on." And that was on a beautiful sunny
day. So the fact that we are considering

2554
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:13,359
a data center really scares me as of
this moment. I'm really tired. I'm tired

2555
04:02:11,279 --> 04:02:16,640
because my husband and I work 50 to 60
hours a week to support our two kids in

2556
04:02:15,279 --> 04:02:20,479
the life that we are trying to live out
here. We do have a special needs

2557
04:02:18,640 --> 04:02:23,760
daughter who we are constantly fighting
for to get the support that she needs

2558
04:02:22,319 --> 04:02:31,439
and that was part of the reason why we
moved out here also. And then um I do

2559
04:02:27,120 --> 04:02:37,520
have a um high school uh senior this
year who is in the FFA program through

2560
04:02:35,199 --> 04:02:42,160
Fowlerville Public Schools that um
services the community. I want to know

2561
04:02:40,080 --> 04:02:45,600
how I can go home to her tonight and
tell her that all the work that she's

2562
04:02:43,840 --> 04:02:49,439
doing in her class is making a
difference because that's why those kids

2563
04:02:47,600 --> 04:02:53,279
are in those classes. They're there to
make a difference. So when you go home

2564
04:02:51,680 --> 04:02:57,680
tonight, think about the difference that
you want to make in the community and

2565
04:02:55,199 --> 04:03:01,120
that impact that we have on each other
because I know I'm tired and I'm sure

2566
04:02:59,520 --> 04:03:05,479
you guys are tired of being yelled at,
too. Thank you.

2567
04:03:02,319 --> 04:03:05,479
» Thank you.

2568
04:03:14,640 --> 04:03:21,359
Good evening. Um, I this is what I had
actually planned to say during

2569
04:03:20,080 --> 04:03:23,760
» Can we get your name and address,
please?

2570
04:03:21,600 --> 04:03:30,399
» Kristen Dennis, 7196 Manley.
>> Thank you. Um,

2571
04:03:26,800 --> 04:03:35,199
to put it very politely, I'm exceedingly
frustrated that my public comment was

2572
04:03:33,120 --> 04:03:40,640
not included in the packet. The the one
that I emailed um was not included in

2573
04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:43,840
the packet or as an addendum. Um, no
one's public comment submissions were

2574
04:03:42,160 --> 04:03:47,840
included.
I'm sure there is probably some

2575
04:03:45,520 --> 04:03:52,319
technical legitimate procedural basis
for that decision, but if I'm being

2576
04:03:50,560 --> 04:03:57,520
honest, it reflects pretty poorly on the
board who is obviously already under

2577
04:03:55,040 --> 04:04:01,439
significant public scrutiny. It feels
like our voices are being silenced after

2578
04:03:59,439 --> 04:04:07,359
being denied transparency for over eight
months and it feels incredibly tonedeaf

2579
04:04:04,080 --> 04:04:11,359
at best. The moratorum is and was on the
agenda and any public comments like mine

2580
04:04:09,920 --> 04:04:15,199
that were submitted electronically
deserve to be heard and considered by

2581
04:04:13,040 --> 04:04:19,040
the board who has already kept far too
much a secret from the community.

2582
04:04:17,359 --> 04:04:23,840
Furthermore, our public comments serve
as a public record to document exactly

2583
04:04:21,040 --> 04:04:27,439
how we feel about this and any issue.
So, as you neglected to forward my

2584
04:04:25,680 --> 04:04:31,040
public comment submission and that
report that I attached to it to the full

2585
04:04:29,359 --> 04:04:35,040
board and to the public, I would like to
use this opportunity to delve into some

2586
04:04:32,880 --> 04:04:38,960
areas of concern. most of which I did
not even include in that original

2587
04:04:36,399 --> 04:04:43,760
report. I will be using more than my
three or two minutes or 30 seconds I

2588
04:04:41,359 --> 04:04:45,600
have left. So, can I get
>> six hands?

2589
04:04:45,279 --> 04:04:47,199
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.

2590
04:04:46,160 --> 04:04:52,880
» Go ahead.
>> Um I promise I'm not reading my entire

2591
04:04:49,520 --> 04:04:58,800
lengthy report. Um
so I I appreciate a bit of extra time

2592
04:04:56,880 --> 04:05:02,080
tonight and in the coming weeks. I
encourage the board to give considerable

2593
04:05:00,560 --> 04:05:06,239
thought and scrutiny to the true
long-term implications of a hypers scale

2594
04:05:04,160 --> 04:05:10,000
data center of this size in our small
town. I don't just mean the

2595
04:05:08,080 --> 04:05:13,760
environmental impacts or the noise or
the water, though those are absolutely

2596
04:05:11,920 --> 04:05:17,600
worthy of critical analysis as I
evaluated in great detail in that

2597
04:05:15,760 --> 04:05:20,880
report. But the more I've been
researching about the impacts of data

2598
04:05:19,199 --> 04:05:25,279
centers, the more I realize our small
town may be dangerously unprepared for

2599
04:05:22,960 --> 04:05:29,520
and unaware of the true scope of
unintended consequences as the perceived

2600
04:05:27,600 --> 04:05:34,080
benefits may be outshining the risks
associated with them. Firstly, one of

2601
04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:38,239
the benefits which no one is denying is
the creation of hundreds, likely even

2602
04:05:36,080 --> 04:05:42,160
thousands of construction jobs. This is
a great thing for the construction

2603
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:45,359
industry. There's no doubt. However,
despite the developers claims that

2604
04:05:43,600 --> 04:05:49,439
they'll try to hire local crews, the
reality is there's no legislation

2605
04:05:47,040 --> 04:05:54,399
requiring that of them. These projects
require specialized experience, of which

2606
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:57,520
there may likely be none in our area.
And upon looking at how other data

2607
04:05:56,239 --> 04:06:02,000
centers around the country have been
built, the vast majority of these crews

2608
04:05:59,120 --> 04:06:05,760
are indeed not local. Has the township
considered the implications of this?

2609
04:06:04,080 --> 04:06:10,239
Where will the thousands of construction
workers who may be here for more than a

2610
04:06:07,760 --> 04:06:15,199
decade live? Will they be commuting in?
What does that mean for traffic on 9659

2611
04:06:12,880 --> 04:06:18,080
Grand River? Oh yeah, we were informed
last night that the developers are

2612
04:06:16,640 --> 04:06:21,120
already pushing to have Grand River
permanently rerouted. So, can you

2613
04:06:19,840 --> 04:06:26,000
imagine the traffic nightmare and
headache of that project on top of the

2614
04:06:22,960 --> 04:06:31,279
data center construction?
But back to housing the workers, where

2615
04:06:28,000 --> 04:06:35,600
will they live locally?
The economic development officer in

2616
04:06:33,359 --> 04:06:39,840
Albuquerque who I spoke with said that
in their area these crews set up and

2617
04:06:37,199 --> 04:06:44,080
live in man camps with RVs and portables
being set up around the construction

2618
04:06:41,199 --> 04:06:48,000
site. Is Howell really okay with that?
If not, where on earth is the housing

2619
04:06:46,000 --> 04:06:51,760
for these crews? It simply doesn't exist
right now. Such an influx will put

2620
04:06:50,000 --> 04:06:56,160
tremendous upward pressure on rents and
housing prices, which will inevitably

2621
04:06:53,359 --> 04:06:59,760
price out local residents. One outcome
of such a housing crisis will be to

2622
04:06:57,920 --> 04:07:03,600
build more housing, likely more
apartments and highdensity multif family

2623
04:07:01,680 --> 04:07:07,840
units. The exact thing that this
township and county residents largely

2624
04:07:05,359 --> 04:07:11,680
want to avoid. Even a reason that some
folks cite in support of the data

2625
04:07:09,600 --> 04:07:15,199
center. At least this land can't be
converted to a thousand homes. Well, if

2626
04:07:13,920 --> 04:07:17,840
you bring in a thousand construction
workers, they're going to need a

2627
04:07:16,239 --> 04:07:22,720
thousand homes. So now we have a data
center and more highdensity housing.

2628
04:07:20,319 --> 04:07:26,319
Second, that influx of workers will put
significant strain on the local small

2629
04:07:24,319 --> 04:07:29,680
businesses. What is the township
preparing to do to help them plan and

2630
04:07:28,080 --> 04:07:33,840
prepare for such an increase in demand
for their goods and services? And beyond

2631
04:07:31,760 --> 04:07:37,760
that, looking long-term when the
construction ends or at least tapers

2632
04:07:35,680 --> 04:07:40,960
off, what type of economic support is
the township planning on providing to

2633
04:07:39,439 --> 04:07:44,960
the local businesses when the demand
tapers off with the construction? to do

2634
04:07:43,359 --> 04:07:48,239
nothing would leave a massive economic
collapse as businesses no longer have

2635
04:07:46,720 --> 04:07:53,120
the customer base to support their
expanded operations and will be forced

2636
04:07:50,000 --> 04:07:56,479
to downsize or close up entirely. So
what does the township intend to do to

2637
04:07:54,960 --> 04:08:00,399
support these businesses and the
longtime local residents behind them

2638
04:07:58,800 --> 04:08:05,120
through such periods of growth and
expansion? How much will it cost to

2639
04:08:02,560 --> 04:08:09,120
provide that support?
Third, other municipalities, including

2640
04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:12,640
ones much larger than our own, hire
third-party economic and financial

2641
04:08:10,880 --> 04:08:16,479
advising to help them evaluate the
return on investment, account for other

2642
04:08:14,800 --> 04:08:20,000
unforeseen costs involved with
overseeing the development of such large

2643
04:08:18,160 --> 04:08:25,120
projects like data centers, among other
factors. And notably, they do this all

2644
04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:29,359
before any reasonzoning approvals. Who
has the township hired to fill this

2645
04:08:27,040 --> 04:08:32,800
role? The developers have mentioned time
and again how they will reimburse the

2646
04:08:31,040 --> 04:08:38,080
township for infrastructure upgrades and
expansion. And that sounds nice and they

2647
04:08:35,520 --> 04:08:41,520
should pay for that. But the reality is
that without careful attention to how

2648
04:08:39,840 --> 04:08:44,399
these agreements are structured, the
financial liability will almost

2649
04:08:42,960 --> 04:08:48,560
certainly remain on the township's
books, not the developers. Should this

2650
04:08:46,880 --> 04:08:52,479
project fall through as Howell has
firsthand experience with in the recent

2651
04:08:50,160 --> 04:08:56,319
past, or should the industry crash or
technology change so drastically that

2652
04:08:54,319 --> 04:09:00,319
entire warehouses of servers can fit in
a single closet, a possibility already

2653
04:08:58,880 --> 04:09:04,640
being discussed in the technology
sector, the financial liability for

2654
04:09:02,720 --> 04:09:09,040
those infrastructure balances will fall
on the township. Allowing them to fund

2655
04:09:06,960 --> 04:09:13,600
an escrow, use payments in le of taxes,
issuing bonds, using tax increment

2656
04:09:10,880 --> 04:09:17,600
funding, etc. all places considerable
burden and risk on the township if not

2657
04:09:15,840 --> 04:09:22,000
carefully negotiated with the assistance
of financial adviserss well-versed in

2658
04:09:19,520 --> 04:09:25,520
avoiding any such loopholes. This data
center is unprecedented not just for the

2659
04:09:23,920 --> 04:09:31,120
township but also the county and
arguably even the state of Michigan. We

2660
04:09:28,479 --> 04:09:34,560
are in uncharted territory and sorry to
be blunt but it would be foolish to

2661
04:09:32,720 --> 04:09:38,479
proceed without some outside advisers
helping us navigate this process. One

2662
04:09:36,880 --> 04:09:41,359
side of the table is a multi-billion
dollar corporation with teams of

2663
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:45,760
expensive lawyers who have their
propaganda presentations and

2664
04:09:42,880 --> 04:09:50,239
negotiations down to a science.
The other side of the table right now is

2665
04:09:47,520 --> 04:09:54,239
just us, a small town with limited funds
and practically zero experience in

2666
04:09:52,239 --> 04:09:57,760
negotiating deals of this magnitude and
significance. With all due respect to

2667
04:09:56,399 --> 04:10:01,600
those currently involved with those
negotiations, we simply don't know what

2668
04:09:59,760 --> 04:10:04,960
we don't know. And the risks of
overlooking something seemingly small

2669
04:10:03,279 --> 04:10:09,760
may have disastrously enormous
consequences.

2670
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:13,359
Fourth, it's no secret that data centers
require huge amounts of electricity.

2671
04:10:11,840 --> 04:10:17,199
Regardless of what you believe to be
true about the potential impacts on

2672
04:10:14,960 --> 04:10:20,880
residential utility bills, the township
needs to consider the possibility that

2673
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:24,800
data centers, particularly large
hyperscale ones such as this, will

2674
04:10:22,960 --> 04:10:29,520
include some type of energy production
and/or storage on site. If not now, then

2675
04:10:27,439 --> 04:10:32,960
in the near future, their site plan
already accounts for several

2676
04:10:30,640 --> 04:10:38,000
substations. What details do you know
about those? What ordinances do we have?

2677
04:10:35,359 --> 04:10:41,600
From what I can tell, none to regulate
the size, location, and impacts of

2678
04:10:39,680 --> 04:10:46,239
these, especially within the RT zoning
that they're requesting. Do you know or

2679
04:10:44,560 --> 04:10:50,319
did you know that one of the ways data
centers claim to improve the grid

2680
04:10:47,920 --> 04:10:54,800
reliability that they're claiming as a
benefit is by building battery energy

2681
04:10:52,880 --> 04:10:59,120
storage systems on site and selling the
excess capacity back to the grid. The

2682
04:10:57,279 --> 04:11:02,960
developers, when I question them
directly about this, did not deny this

2683
04:11:00,800 --> 04:11:05,840
was a potentiality. and DTE also
directly confirmed to me that this is

2684
04:11:04,479 --> 04:11:10,080
definitely one thing data centers
contract with them to do. As you likely

2685
04:11:08,239 --> 04:11:13,359
know, best comes with substantial risks
and concerns of their own and are

2686
04:11:11,920 --> 04:11:17,680
another thing the township completely
lacks ordinances for. If this data

2687
04:11:15,600 --> 04:11:20,960
center gets approved as is, is the
township prepared for the risk and push

2688
04:11:19,279 --> 04:11:24,720
back if developers add best to their
site plans? What can the township

2689
04:11:22,880 --> 04:11:28,000
reasonably do at that point to protect
the community's health and well-being?

2690
04:11:26,640 --> 04:11:31,199
What kind of liabilities will the
township face should residents

2691
04:11:29,279 --> 04:11:36,000
experience harm from an unregulated use
like that? And another possibility to

2692
04:11:33,840 --> 04:11:40,399
consider that is almost inevitable,
small modular nuclear reactors. These

2693
04:11:38,880 --> 04:11:43,920
are drawing more attention in recent
months as a potential means for data

2694
04:11:42,000 --> 04:11:48,160
centers to supply their own energy on
site. How does a township feel about a

2695
04:11:46,319 --> 04:11:52,160
nuclear reactor being situated in the
middle of agricultural and residential

2696
04:11:49,840 --> 04:11:56,000
land? What protections or restrictions
does the township have in place for such

2697
04:11:53,920 --> 04:12:00,160
a possibility? And if this resoning
request is approved, what power would

2698
04:11:57,920 --> 04:12:03,279
the township truly have to prevent this?
And again, what kind of liabilities

2699
04:12:01,600 --> 04:12:07,199
would the township face should these
SMRs be built without a single ordinance

2700
04:12:05,199 --> 04:12:11,120
on the books for them and something, God
forbid, goes wrong?

2701
04:12:09,600 --> 04:12:15,439
Has the township truly considered
whether the substantial potential tax

2702
04:12:13,279 --> 04:12:19,040
revenue is all good? Of course, all
those zeros are appealing. Who doesn't

2703
04:12:17,199 --> 04:12:23,040
like the idea of such a substantial
financial boost? There's little argument

2704
04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:26,880
that additional tax revenue could do
tremendous good for the community, but

2705
04:12:25,040 --> 04:12:30,720
as the saying goes, if it seems too good
to be true, it probably is. The current

2706
04:12:29,279 --> 04:12:34,880
board, and from what I've come to
understand, particularly the supervisor,

2707
04:12:32,960 --> 04:12:39,040
has done a phenomenal job of turning
around a dire financial situation for

2708
04:12:36,800 --> 04:12:43,120
the township. Clearly, the current board
has a solid understanding of making

2709
04:12:40,720 --> 04:12:47,439
healthy financial decisions, but reality
is the current current board will not be

2710
04:12:44,880 --> 04:12:50,960
in charge forever. Whatever decisions
were made in the past that nearly led

2711
04:12:49,199 --> 04:12:55,359
the township to financial ruin could
absolutely happen again in the future

2712
04:12:53,120 --> 04:13:01,040
with a single taxpayer making up such a
substantial portion of revenue from 33%

2713
04:12:57,920 --> 04:13:06,080
at a minimum to over 83%
or more if the total investment exceeds

2714
04:13:02,960 --> 04:13:09,199
the initial 5 billion projection.
If anything goes wrong with the AI

2715
04:13:07,920 --> 04:13:12,960
sector, the township could face
financial ruin like it's never seen

2716
04:13:10,720 --> 04:13:17,199
before. From obsolete technology and
facilities to the AI industries bubble

2717
04:13:14,880 --> 04:13:21,040
bursting to the axe my tax initiative
passing and eliminating property taxes.

2718
04:13:19,600 --> 04:13:25,439
Any number of things could lead the
township to losing a substantial portion

2719
04:13:22,880 --> 04:13:28,800
of its revenue. So what does the
township intend to do to protect the

2720
04:13:27,120 --> 04:13:33,120
community's financial well-being in such
an event? One option might be to

2721
04:13:31,120 --> 04:13:37,760
formally sequester a significant portion
of that revenue, thus only meaningfully

2722
04:13:35,840 --> 04:13:41,359
collecting a significantly smaller
portion of taxes with which to actually

2723
04:13:39,520 --> 04:13:45,279
invest in the community.
And while this would protect the

2724
04:13:43,120 --> 04:13:49,120
finances, it would also significantly
diminish the true financial benefit the

2725
04:13:47,279 --> 04:13:52,960
township would reap. As far as I can
tell, that's just about the only aspect

2726
04:13:50,800 --> 04:13:57,920
of this that could be reasonably
considered a benefit to the community.

2727
04:13:55,199 --> 04:14:02,080
So now the township would be taking on
all the risks that have been discussed

2728
04:13:59,439 --> 04:14:05,520
adnauseium with very little financial
benefit to speak of. So, wouldn't it

2729
04:14:03,840 --> 04:14:09,120
make more sense to simply attract a
smaller project with fewer negative

2730
04:14:07,199 --> 04:14:13,920
community impacts and more long-term
local jobs for the same modest and

2731
04:14:11,359 --> 04:14:18,640
responsible amount of revenue?
Another option would be to diversify the

2732
04:14:16,319 --> 04:14:22,319
tax base. The only way this happens is
by expanding economic growth in the very

2733
04:14:20,640 --> 04:14:26,159
ways the community claims to want to
avoid. Increase housing development,

2734
04:14:24,640 --> 04:14:30,080
increase and expand commercial and
industrial development. By bringing in

2735
04:14:28,159 --> 04:14:33,600
more taxpayers from other sectors, you
do shrink the portion of revenue

2736
04:14:31,439 --> 04:14:36,880
collected from this one entity and thus
you shrink the risks associated with

2737
04:14:35,040 --> 04:14:40,560
such a huge concentration from the data
center. But this obviously comes at the

2738
04:14:39,040 --> 04:14:44,560
cost of maintaining our small town
character and appeal. It would mean a

2739
04:14:42,560 --> 04:14:48,319
fundamental and permanent change to our
township and the county, one that

2740
04:14:46,319 --> 04:14:52,800
residents and this board have all
overwhelming overwhelmingly expressed

2741
04:14:50,319 --> 04:14:58,080
opposition to. So, please consider that
the tax revenue alone is not necessarily

2742
04:14:55,439 --> 04:15:02,239
the blessing that it may seem to be. A
final thought I would like to ask you to

2743
04:15:00,239 --> 04:15:06,640
consider is the type of community member
this unnamed entity would actually be.

2744
04:15:04,880 --> 04:15:10,080
They are no doubt exerting tremendous
pressure on this board to pass the

2745
04:15:08,239 --> 04:15:14,000
resoning despite public public
opposition. They keep saying how they

2746
04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:17,600
want to be a long-term community member,
how they intend to take care of us and

2747
04:15:15,520 --> 04:15:21,680
look out for us and value our input and
concerns. Yet, they're also telling you

2748
04:15:20,080 --> 04:15:26,080
we can't do better than the conditions
they're offering. But from a cursory

2749
04:15:24,080 --> 04:15:29,920
dive into other existing ordinances,
that's simply not true. We can do much

2750
04:15:28,319 --> 04:15:34,080
better and plenty of other
municipalities already are. They are

2751
04:15:32,319 --> 04:15:37,840
threatening to walk away if this doesn't
happen on their timeline and that

2752
04:15:35,760 --> 04:15:41,840
someone less caring about our concerns
will come next. They are also likely

2753
04:15:40,399 --> 04:15:46,960
possibly threatening or at least
alluding to a lawsuit for one reason or

2754
04:15:44,080 --> 04:15:50,960
another. Are these thinly veiled or even
overt threats the mark of a caring and

2755
04:15:48,800 --> 04:15:54,319
considerate community member? Is that
type of manipulation and pressure the

2756
04:15:52,640 --> 04:15:58,319
sort of character we want to bring into
the community? I'd say those threats and

2757
04:15:56,640 --> 04:16:02,399
that pressure is all the more reason to
tell them no. A healthy relationship

2758
04:16:00,399 --> 04:16:05,359
between any two individuals or entities
does not involve pressure to move

2759
04:16:03,760 --> 04:16:10,239
quicker than you're comfortable with,
and it does not involve coercion. If

2760
04:16:08,000 --> 04:16:14,319
proceeding on our terms or not at all
means they make good on their threats to

2761
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:18,239
sue, then so be it. The public will
support the board for having our backs.

2762
04:16:16,399 --> 04:16:22,159
We do not want nor need a company
willing to financially harm us in order

2763
04:16:20,000 --> 04:16:26,319
to get their way. They can either prove
their worthiness by backing off as a

2764
04:16:24,399 --> 04:16:30,479
developer in Kasca just rightfully and
respectfully did or they can prove our

2765
04:16:28,640 --> 04:16:34,640
skepticism valid by trying to force
their way in. Do not make hasty

2766
04:16:32,720 --> 04:16:38,960
decisions out of fear. We have been just
fine without a data center and will

2767
04:16:36,399 --> 04:16:43,680
continue to be. Stand boldly with us and
for us in the face of such undue

2768
04:16:40,800 --> 04:16:47,680
pressure come what may. In closing, I do
hope my full report that I sent in can

2769
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:51,279
be distributed to the entire board for
further analysis of all the issues

2770
04:16:49,279 --> 04:16:55,279
surrounding data centers. I did not
write it as a formal research paper, but

2771
04:16:53,040 --> 04:16:59,520
I did site over 50 sources and tried to
make an honest evaluation of the pros

2772
04:16:56,960 --> 04:17:03,199
and the cons. I know reading such a
document can be tedious, but the

2773
04:17:01,359 --> 04:17:07,199
significance of this decision deserves a
significant investment of time and

2774
04:17:04,640 --> 04:17:10,960
attention, which I know all of you are
putting in. Thank you for the

2775
04:17:09,120 --> 04:17:14,080
opportunity to share my concerns tonight
and please don't hesitate to reach out

2776
04:17:12,479 --> 04:17:18,199
to me to discuss these matters in more
detail.

2777
04:17:15,040 --> 04:17:18,199
» Thank you.

2778
04:17:26,479 --> 04:17:33,439
Mine will be very short. This is Maggie
Tunks again. Um I'm just have a question

2779
04:17:31,120 --> 04:17:37,840
or a concern about the candidate that
you're picking for the planning

2780
04:17:34,560 --> 04:17:42,960
commission. I think it's a terrible time
to pick a candidate to come on board.

2781
04:17:40,640 --> 04:17:49,279
Everyone, I'm sure that is considering
this has an opinion, either positive or

2782
04:17:46,720 --> 04:17:52,960
negative. I just I just don't see it
being a good idea. And you've asked,

2783
04:17:50,960 --> 04:17:56,720
someone said he was, you know, for we
know one person was for it, but you

2784
04:17:54,479 --> 04:18:02,319
didn't choose him. Um, and also
regarding planning, these people, I

2785
04:17:59,520 --> 04:18:06,239
think, should live in the township, you
know, not just be part of the county. I

2786
04:18:04,560 --> 04:18:12,000
mean, I think they should actually not
just own property here, but live and

2787
04:18:08,960 --> 04:18:15,840
care about it, you know, to develop it,
you know, not someone that has a

2788
04:18:13,359 --> 04:18:20,640
business interest like maybe a realtor.
So, that's all I want to say. I just

2789
04:18:17,279 --> 04:18:24,319
think getting or choosing a a candidate
right now or to fill that position,

2790
04:18:22,479 --> 04:18:29,120
which it's been open for months, I
understand. Um, in fact, I think it was

2791
04:18:26,720 --> 04:18:32,640
even back in March it was it was open.
So, I'm sorry. That's all I want to say.

2792
04:18:30,640 --> 04:18:35,120
I really think you need to consider
choosing someone at this time. Thank

2793
04:18:34,560 --> 04:18:38,279
you.
>> Thank you.

2794
04:18:43,520 --> 04:18:50,960
» Hi, Dan Wallahan again. Um, couple
things comments want to make. Um, first

2795
04:18:48,640 --> 04:18:56,159
I heard talking exclusionary zoning
doesn't really apply here. It would be

2796
04:18:53,760 --> 04:19:01,760
spot zoning though.
But we have industry east Burkheart

2797
04:18:59,199 --> 04:19:05,600
south of Grand River Emmens.
That's a good place for something like a

2798
04:19:03,199 --> 04:19:10,239
data center which is industry if you're
going to do it. DT they're been they're

2799
04:19:08,640 --> 04:19:14,560
sticking their necks in there. They're
corrupt as can be duopoly. They control

2800
04:19:12,720 --> 04:19:19,600
the state
and they'll raise our rates more and

2801
04:19:16,960 --> 04:19:25,439
we're going to be paying for it. Um,
hear lots about back channel stuff about

2802
04:19:22,319 --> 04:19:31,199
lawsuits and threats. Um, big law is
beatable. I've personally beaten

2803
04:19:28,080 --> 04:19:37,359
Dickinson, Wright, who's the attorney on
the attorney firm for the developer.

2804
04:19:35,040 --> 04:19:42,800
I've beaten Goodman Aker, the solo
practitioner. They're beatable.

2805
04:19:40,720 --> 04:19:46,960
My wife has beaten big law. Don't be
scared of them. Do the right thing. File

2806
04:19:45,359 --> 04:19:51,359
your planning and county planning
commission. You have some backup here.

2807
04:19:49,600 --> 04:19:55,840
If they threaten your jobs, you do the
right things, you'll win. We'll have

2808
04:19:53,439 --> 04:20:00,640
your back. I've run more elections than
I can count.

2809
04:19:58,319 --> 04:20:05,760
Now, if the wrong thing happens, well,
2013, Genanoa, they tried to wait and

2810
04:20:03,199 --> 04:20:10,800
pave my dirt road when I lived there.
3,000 bucks. I killed the millillage.

2811
04:20:09,040 --> 04:20:15,040
After I left Genanoa, the board got
fired. Newer board, different board got

2812
04:20:12,800 --> 04:20:20,159
fired over lats and development. Green
Township, Goan, Eagle Township, they all

2813
04:20:17,920 --> 04:20:24,640
got recalled. I know how to run a recall
campaign, get that going 24, 48 hours. I

2814
04:20:22,560 --> 04:20:30,000
don't want to go that route. I'd rather
go defense and say, "Our board did a

2815
04:20:27,439 --> 04:20:34,399
good job. Let's protect them. Please do
the right thing or are you going to

2816
04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:37,640
create a lot of extra work for me?"
>> Thank you.

2817
04:20:45,359 --> 04:20:55,520
Good evening. My name is Jason Montter,
3450 Amber Oaks Drive. Um,

2818
04:20:51,600 --> 04:21:00,880
not not for the data center in that
area. You know, for data centers, I see

2819
04:20:58,960 --> 04:21:10,000
a need for it, but yet I don't see a
need for it. Um,

2820
04:21:05,199 --> 04:21:14,880
my biggest concern is energy usage. Um,
my brother-in-law is

2821
04:21:12,880 --> 04:21:22,640
been working for DT at the coal fired
plant down Monroe or Frenchtown Township

2822
04:21:18,960 --> 04:21:28,640
now for about 7 years. Um, they are
looking at closing that plant. I think

2823
04:21:25,040 --> 04:21:34,319
it's supposed to be happening in 2026 or
27, so it's coming up pretty close. Um,

2824
04:21:32,640 --> 04:21:40,040
he's not sure exactly what he's going to
be doing after that.

2825
04:21:37,040 --> 04:21:40,040
Um,

2826
04:21:40,319 --> 04:21:46,720
so I don't I don't see how all these
different data centers that they're

2827
04:21:44,239 --> 04:21:52,560
wanting to build and plan where that
extra power is coming from. And I know

2828
04:21:49,120 --> 04:21:56,399
that in previous summers,
uh, you know, we've been asked, hey,

2829
04:21:54,560 --> 04:22:00,880
turn up your thermostat. You know, we
don't want your air conditioner running

2830
04:21:58,239 --> 04:22:07,040
and so forth. We've also had issues with
brown oats in our subdivision at least

2831
04:22:04,399 --> 04:22:12,319
uh here in H Township. So, those are
some of my concerns about it. You know,

2832
04:22:09,680 --> 04:22:18,640
I appreciate all your guys'
being here late, you know, hearing all

2833
04:22:15,600 --> 04:22:24,319
these people talking and so forth.
In addition to that, um had a question

2834
04:22:21,680 --> 04:22:29,120
more specifically about uh and I don't
know if there's been any updates since I

2835
04:22:26,560 --> 04:22:35,520
last read about uh in meeting minutes,
but uh Wrangler Saloon as far as that

2836
04:22:31,920 --> 04:22:41,600
being demolished, torn down,
it just looks to be an isore for one,

2837
04:22:38,560 --> 04:22:45,439
but two, the roof is in really bad
shape, and I don't know if it's going to

2838
04:22:43,359 --> 04:22:51,120
make it through the winter, and the one
wall looks like it's already bowing out

2839
04:22:47,439 --> 04:22:57,040
quite badly and I see cars parked there,
you know, just hanging out and things

2840
04:22:53,359 --> 04:23:02,960
right next to it. Um,
so just something I I guess does anybody

2841
04:23:00,720 --> 04:23:05,960
know what's currently going on with that
project?

2842
04:23:07,920 --> 04:23:14,640
» They're working on a development at this
point, but we can look into it and keep

2843
04:23:12,399 --> 04:23:19,359
it moving forward. Yeah, I guess just
some updates on that project as far as

2844
04:23:16,880 --> 04:23:25,760
uh where they go or maybe just fencing
it off for the time being until they do

2845
04:23:20,960 --> 04:23:30,800
tear down. So, all right. Thank you.
Anyone else for a call to the public?

2846
04:23:28,960 --> 04:23:36,000
All right, moving on to reports.
Supervisor report. Um, unfortunately,

2847
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:41,199
everybody left. Uh, the NDA is a big
question. I did sign an NDA. And the

2848
04:23:39,040 --> 04:23:49,120
reason I signed the NDA is realtor comes
in with a resident, not a Van Gilder,

2849
04:23:44,960 --> 04:23:54,640
um, presents a project to us and the
realtor is underneath the NDA. So, in

2850
04:23:52,080 --> 04:24:00,000
order to get into the room to understand
this billion-dollar project, we're

2851
04:23:56,960 --> 04:24:04,399
requested to sign an NDA. So, I did sign
the NDA. We did go into the room.

2852
04:24:02,640 --> 04:24:08,960
nothing was ever disclosed on who this
company was. Any of the information that

2853
04:24:07,439 --> 04:24:15,439
was given in those meetings was
released. Um, so you know that that's

2854
04:24:13,520 --> 04:24:21,439
what I got. And I guess I think it was
Steve that said I screwed up. Maybe I

2855
04:24:17,520 --> 04:24:25,920
did. But I also have a fiscal
responsibility that if that project

2856
04:24:24,080 --> 04:24:29,680
would have been some small seed company
that happened to sit in the middle of a

2857
04:24:27,359 --> 04:24:33,680
field and not been a problem went to the
next township over and it was found out

2858
04:24:31,199 --> 04:24:36,960
that well you didn't want to send NDA
for this simple little itty bitty

2859
04:24:35,120 --> 04:24:41,600
project.
It kind of holds me responsible for a

2860
04:24:38,880 --> 04:24:47,040
large tax base going away. So I did not
see an issue signing an NDA going into

2861
04:24:43,920 --> 04:24:53,680
that. Um I know how to get out of NDAs.
It's I work in an industry that uses

2862
04:24:49,520 --> 04:24:58,880
NDAs on a regular basis. So that that is
I did do it. Maybe I screwed up. Maybe I

2863
04:24:56,560 --> 04:25:03,840
didn't. But before any meetings were
made public, we had them rescended. So

2864
04:25:01,840 --> 04:25:07,920
legal counsel helped us with that to
make sure they were true and clearly

2865
04:25:05,600 --> 04:25:12,080
gone. So
unless you have any questions of the

2866
04:25:09,199 --> 04:25:18,399
supervisor, move on to Trevor.
>> Mr. Supervisor. Sure. Um, I would like

2867
04:25:15,279 --> 04:25:25,120
to entertain a discussion about
releasing the uh FOYA, the 900page FOYA

2868
04:25:23,040 --> 04:25:30,479
that was shared with the board as a
matter of transparency for all the

2869
04:25:27,199 --> 04:25:35,120
public um if the board would be
interested in

2870
04:25:32,399 --> 04:25:38,359
u publicly posting that FOYA that has
been fulfilled.

2871
04:25:38,479 --> 04:25:42,680
So that's all

2872
04:25:42,800 --> 04:25:46,399
» I don't have a problem with it.
>> Okay.

2873
04:25:44,720 --> 04:25:48,960
» It's a public document now.
>> Yeah.

2874
04:25:46,800 --> 04:25:50,960
» Once it's once it's done and paid for,
it's a public document. I don't have a

2875
04:25:50,640 --> 04:25:54,640
problem.
>> What would be the method? And I guess

2876
04:25:52,479 --> 04:25:57,279
Chris, what is is there there should be
no legal issue with that?

2877
04:25:56,080 --> 04:26:00,640
» No, no problem. They're they're all
public records anyways. So, uh, we

2878
04:25:59,279 --> 04:26:05,199
wouldn't have any opposition to it.
>> So, it' literally just be the link to

2879
04:26:02,880 --> 04:26:08,640
the Dropbox. Is that how we really
>> Yeah, we'd have to figure out where's

2880
04:26:06,960 --> 04:26:12,640
the easiest way to host. I don't know
how large the PDF is as a single file.

2881
04:26:11,040 --> 04:26:15,040
So, but we could figure something out.
>> Okay.

2882
04:26:13,680 --> 04:26:17,520
» Because couldn't we do it on our web
page somehow, so anybody that goes there

2883
04:26:16,800 --> 04:26:21,120
could see it
>> possible.

2884
04:26:19,520 --> 04:26:24,720
I guess I don't know.
>> I'm not the

2885
04:26:22,080 --> 04:26:28,720
» You'd have to um you'd have to just look
at the size of things perhaps like a

2886
04:26:27,760 --> 04:26:33,600
folder structure or something
compressing the documents and whatnot to

2887
04:26:30,640 --> 04:26:37,199
like make it consumable. You'd also want
to look at this the there could be some

2888
04:26:35,600 --> 04:26:41,600
size constraints on the website that say
only certain documents of certain size

2889
04:26:39,920 --> 04:26:46,000
can be uploaded. So you just have to
figure it out, right? I'm sure our tech

2890
04:26:43,680 --> 04:26:50,960
team can help us with that or whatever.
>> I think it was 149 megabytes.

2891
04:26:49,199 --> 04:26:55,760
» That's
a lot of documents.

2892
04:26:53,840 --> 04:26:59,760
» I couldn't send it to anybody. So
>> yeah, you wouldn't be able to send

2893
04:26:56,880 --> 04:27:02,800
something like that via mail.
>> Okay. Any concern with releasing that?

2894
04:27:02,159 --> 04:27:08,000
Not hearing any.
>> Shall I make a motion?

2895
04:27:05,279 --> 04:27:09,760
» Are we good? I think we're good. Okay. I
don't see

2896
04:27:08,720 --> 04:27:10,880
» I don't have a problem with it.
>> I think it's a good idea.

2897
04:27:10,640 --> 04:27:12,159
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2898
04:27:11,279 --> 04:27:15,199
» Release it.
>> Any other questions? Supervisor

2899
04:27:13,840 --> 04:27:18,800
treasurer.
>> Um, you have the you have the report, so

2900
04:27:17,199 --> 04:27:21,600
that's it.
>> Okay,

2901
04:27:20,640 --> 04:27:28,720
clerk.
>> Um, we're just kind of busy with FOYAS

2902
04:27:24,800 --> 04:27:33,680
over inated with them. Um, other than
that, we're trying to get the things

2903
04:27:30,560 --> 04:27:38,000
done that need to be done.
>> Okay, I lost

2904
04:27:36,399 --> 04:27:45,439
very sorry. Can we go back to the
treasurer just real sure, Jonathan? Mind

2905
04:27:41,600 --> 04:27:53,040
» is a real quick question. Um, on the I
believe it's the permit uh revenues,

2906
04:27:50,159 --> 04:27:58,159
there's a line item known as enhanced
access fees. Could you explain what that

2907
04:27:55,520 --> 04:28:01,920
is for me?
So those are the fees that people pay

2908
04:27:59,920 --> 04:28:04,800
when they use their card.
>> Okay. Simply that just a card processing

2909
04:28:04,399 --> 04:28:08,960
fee.
>> It is. And so this is also the old

2910
04:28:06,880 --> 04:28:13,840
processing company. And this will be the
last report you get um because we've

2911
04:28:11,520 --> 04:28:19,760
moved on to the new company. And so they
we don't the the old company despite us

2912
04:28:17,120 --> 04:28:23,680
trying to get out of it uh would send us
money back. We asked if they could

2913
04:28:21,760 --> 04:28:26,640
reduce the rate instead and they said
no.

2914
04:28:24,640 --> 04:28:31,520
» So yeah. So we we that's what these
numbers are.

2915
04:28:27,840 --> 04:28:36,000
» Yeah, I saw a separation of so they they
take a chunk and we get a chunk of that.

2916
04:28:34,239 --> 04:28:39,439
» Yeah. So like year to date they've sent
us $85.

2917
04:28:38,640 --> 04:28:43,760
So
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. That's what I

2918
04:28:41,520 --> 04:28:46,960
suspected it was. I just wanted a
clarification. So thank you Mr.

2919
04:28:45,920 --> 04:28:50,239
Treasure.
>> Okay. Any questions of the clerk before

2920
04:28:49,120 --> 04:28:54,159
I move on to the clerk?
>> No item.

2921
04:28:50,880 --> 04:28:58,000
» Okay. Thank you. zoning
uh report.

2922
04:28:55,040 --> 04:29:00,720
» I have one for uh zoning.
>> Okay.

2923
04:28:58,640 --> 04:29:05,680
» I attended a Michigan Township
Association meeting

2924
04:29:03,199 --> 04:29:13,600
a month or so ago and what I did learn
in that meeting is

2925
04:29:08,560 --> 04:29:17,439
our board um in the ADU ordinance
uh restricted that to only family. But

2926
04:29:15,600 --> 04:29:22,080
then when I go to the Michigan Township
Association meeting, they tell me that

2927
04:29:19,760 --> 04:29:27,040
that's just open. And you said that Mr.
Patterson down there. I believe you're

2928
04:29:23,920 --> 04:29:33,439
opening yourself up to a first u
constitutional violation by limiting to

2929
04:29:29,359 --> 04:29:36,960
limiting ADUs to just family.
I think that needs to be looked back

2930
04:29:34,880 --> 04:29:40,159
into.
Weren't you there, Chris?

2931
04:29:38,720 --> 04:29:44,640
» I don't I'm assuming maybe you were
thinking of the docket in the afternoon.

2932
04:29:42,960 --> 04:29:48,560
I don't I'm assum maybe it was the hot
topic. I I didn't present on ADUs at

2933
04:29:47,120 --> 04:29:54,560
that conference, so I'm thinking it's
somebody else. It was at Oola Township.

2934
04:29:52,159 --> 04:29:57,520
» Okay. Definitely definitely not me.
>> I didn't know if you're there or not,

2935
04:29:56,000 --> 04:30:01,439
but anyway, I think that needs to be
looked into before the township gets

2936
04:29:59,199 --> 04:30:07,199
sued.
>> Okay.

2937
04:30:04,000 --> 04:30:12,520
Anything else under zoning
assessing? Got a report. Fire authority

2938
04:30:12,560 --> 04:30:22,080
reaffirmation of our health and um
healthcare savings plan. Basically, they

2939
04:30:19,600 --> 04:30:28,080
took the longevity of the retiring
firefighters. Uh rather than having it

2940
04:30:24,800 --> 04:30:34,319
be covered going forward, they are
putting $30,000 or $3,000 a year into a

2941
04:30:31,600 --> 04:30:38,080
health savings account. So when they do
retire, they'll have that gap between

2942
04:30:36,239 --> 04:30:44,479
the time they go on to Medicaid,
Medicare, um that they can use that

2943
04:30:40,720 --> 04:30:48,880
money. So as opposed to before they had
their medical covered from the time they

2944
04:30:46,000 --> 04:30:53,040
were retired till they decided to take
that,

2945
04:30:50,560 --> 04:30:59,199
that's just a longevity cost for the
town or for the fire authority that they

2946
04:30:55,040 --> 04:31:04,399
wanted to bring down. Uh, engine 22,
which has been a heartache for several

2947
04:31:02,000 --> 04:31:08,000
months, was back out of service. They
got it back for a minute and then it

2948
04:31:05,680 --> 04:31:11,760
went back in.
Next month we'll be able to report that,

2949
04:31:09,760 --> 04:31:17,040
you know, there's a replacement and
hopefully that engine will been sold.

2950
04:31:14,560 --> 04:31:19,920
Uh, had a long discussion on the radio
system. I think we've covered this a

2951
04:31:18,159 --> 04:31:24,000
couple times. The 800 megahertz system
the county doesn't want to invest in.

2952
04:31:22,560 --> 04:31:27,920
Uh, sounds like there's actually some
movement moving forward that they're

2953
04:31:25,359 --> 04:31:33,439
going to put put the extra towers in,
but those are not going to be funded.

2954
04:31:30,000 --> 04:31:38,720
So, it's still going to fall back onto
each individual using it, fire, EMS,

2955
04:31:36,239 --> 04:31:42,479
sheriff, and everything else to cover
the maintenance on those, which is the

2956
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:51,120
radios and the contracts and all of that
stuff. And I think that was about it.

2957
04:31:47,600 --> 04:31:57,359
Okay. Questions of fire authority?
What what radios do you use right now?

2958
04:31:54,640 --> 04:32:05,840
» Well, there's two different system. VHF
is the one that is used for dispatching.

2959
04:32:00,880 --> 04:32:12,159
So, both EMS and fire uses that. So, 911
will hit a tone. Tone opens up all their

2960
04:32:07,920 --> 04:32:17,279
pagers. That's how they respond. Um, as
soon as that tone happens, they go into

2961
04:32:14,720 --> 04:32:23,199
an 800 system. that was supposed to be
the the new and the latest and the

2962
04:32:19,199 --> 04:32:27,920
greatest been in existence probably 25
years. There's not enough towers to give

2963
04:32:26,159 --> 04:32:33,840
coverage good coverage around the
county. So how area fire does really

2964
04:32:31,120 --> 04:32:38,319
well because the tower is here. Um when
you get down into the green oaks and the

2965
04:32:35,840 --> 04:32:43,920
the Putinhams and the people that get
out, you know, further that 800 system

2966
04:32:41,680 --> 04:32:47,600
does not work well. uh they run into
issues when they're inside a structure,

2967
04:32:45,920 --> 04:32:52,960
they'll lose radio service and things
like that. So, the goal is the original

2968
04:32:50,800 --> 04:32:57,600
plan was there was I believe five or six
towers supposed to be across the county

2969
04:32:55,520 --> 04:33:01,760
when it was originally implemented. 20
years ago, we're still working off the

2970
04:32:58,960 --> 04:33:08,561
one tower. So now they're we're pushing
to get the other towers in that were

2971
04:33:05,279 --> 04:33:15,199
needed years ago to be able to but the
the VHF system is also a there there's

2972
04:33:11,920 --> 04:33:20,320
calls not being uh
received. So you know EMS people they

2973
04:33:18,639 --> 04:33:24,080
sleep at night they got their pager
there and the pager is supposed to wake

2974
04:33:22,400 --> 04:33:28,000
them up when they have a call to get in
the ambulance and go service people.

2975
04:33:26,080 --> 04:33:34,000
they're actually sleeping with their 800
radio because if the Minitor or the

2976
04:33:31,680 --> 04:33:37,920
pager doesn't go off,
Central will start calling them on the

2977
04:33:35,600 --> 04:33:45,279
800 and they'll wake up and and be able
to hear the 800 being called. So there's

2978
04:33:41,600 --> 04:33:50,480
there's it it's a huge issue. So uh
hopefully the county will move forward

2979
04:33:48,160 --> 04:33:55,279
on the the all of the funding for the
911 comes from the your service fee on

2980
04:33:53,359 --> 04:34:00,639
your phone bill.
Uh it was set at like a $1.75 way back

2981
04:33:58,000 --> 04:34:07,920
when it was the law was passed. It can
be up to $3 now. Uh the county has no

2982
04:34:04,879 --> 04:34:14,639
interest in moving to that $3 mark in
order to fund this type of stuff.

2983
04:34:11,039 --> 04:34:19,680
They want to stay on that low tax base
thing. So they and they feel that moving

2984
04:34:17,199 --> 04:34:25,119
from a dollar to $3 is an additional
tax. So

2985
04:34:22,480 --> 04:34:28,080
it's it's a mess. Um,
>> so where are the funds going to come

2986
04:34:26,400 --> 04:34:30,160
from to put the towers up? You said you
would you guys would be responsible for

2987
04:34:29,520 --> 04:34:33,680
maintenance.
>> The county has the money.

2988
04:34:32,400 --> 04:34:35,119
» Are they going to spend it to put the
towers up?

2989
04:34:34,561 --> 04:34:37,359
» Yes.
>> Okay.

2990
04:34:35,840 --> 04:34:45,760
» They're investing in the towers
themselves. Um, but an example, um,

2991
04:34:43,199 --> 04:34:51,199
there was federal money that came, Mr.
Barrett brought it, I believe. I don't I

2992
04:34:48,959 --> 04:34:55,680
can't say for sure. It was like
$400,000. And and the reality is that

2993
04:34:53,680 --> 04:34:59,840
will uh they'll put a foundation in for
one of these things. They're they're

2994
04:34:57,439 --> 04:35:03,520
about a million dollars to power. So you
got

2995
04:35:01,680 --> 04:35:07,840
and then the maintenance is thousands
and thousands of dollars a year. So plus

2996
04:35:06,160 --> 04:35:11,920
all of the individual radios, they all
have to be coded to match that 800

2997
04:35:09,439 --> 04:35:15,119
system using those towers.
>> Okay. So how does how does fire

2998
04:35:13,760 --> 04:35:18,160
authority plan to pay for the
maintenance then? Are you are you

2999
04:35:16,480 --> 04:35:22,480
looking at like how much that's going to
be? And I mean, we were talking earlier

3000
04:35:20,639 --> 04:35:25,920
about how much fire trucks were.
>> Yep.

3001
04:35:23,119 --> 04:35:29,279
» And I mean, fire trucks keep going up
and now you're adding additional items

3002
04:35:27,840 --> 04:35:34,400
of maintenance.
>> A lot of the maintenance comes into the

3003
04:35:30,879 --> 04:35:38,240
radios. Um,
think a portable radio I think right now

3004
04:35:36,240 --> 04:35:42,320
is about $3,000.
Uh, so these guys are carrying them into

3005
04:35:40,240 --> 04:35:46,719
fires and things happen to them. You
know, they get dropped, they get So, uh,

3006
04:35:44,959 --> 04:35:52,639
that's that's part of the maintenance.
Originally when the 800 system was set

3007
04:35:49,039 --> 04:35:56,719
up, um county did cover all the radios.
Each people got each department got x

3008
04:35:54,639 --> 04:35:59,520
amount of radios per year. Um but
they've stepped away from that. So now

3009
04:35:58,160 --> 04:36:03,439
each individual department has to buy
their own radios. So that type of

3010
04:36:01,840 --> 04:36:06,879
maintenance something they're very
accustomed to. I mean they've been

3011
04:36:04,719 --> 04:36:14,080
paying for the maintenance for years,
but they'll be happy if they have the

3012
04:36:09,119 --> 04:36:19,959
towers to maintain honestly. So, okay.
Any other questions of fire authority

3013
04:36:16,959 --> 04:36:19,959
mhog?

3014
04:36:21,680 --> 04:36:27,959
Got to go back a month, not yesterday.
>> Oh, I

3015
04:36:28,320 --> 04:36:39,600
uh I have my notes from yesterday. So,
um 56 million uh gallons of water for um

3016
04:36:36,639 --> 04:36:44,160
October. um update on the maring cross
country main. Uh the open cut on Cedar

3017
04:36:42,160 --> 04:36:51,439
Lake and Nort Road is complete. Their
directional drilling um uh as part of

3018
04:36:46,879 --> 04:36:56,719
schedule A and then the um
DNR property where they hit that very

3019
04:36:54,000 --> 04:37:01,359
very soft pete that was causing some
structural issues. uh they're getting

3020
04:36:58,879 --> 04:37:05,039
preliminary contract pricing from their
structural engineer and they're going to

3021
04:37:03,439 --> 04:37:10,240
work with the general contractor to put
a price together to figure out how much

3022
04:37:07,279 --> 04:37:15,760
that's going to cost. Um we did have to
do a change control um about $20,000

3023
04:37:14,240 --> 04:37:20,480
give or take. It's important to note
actually that um the Greg Greg and the

3024
04:37:18,799 --> 04:37:25,359
whole LHog team have done a really good
job. We've not done this is actually the

3025
04:37:23,119 --> 04:37:29,840
first change control we've done and I'd
say they're probably about 60 to 70%

3026
04:37:28,080 --> 04:37:34,959
done with the project. So that's pretty
dang good. They have spent nothing of

3027
04:37:32,080 --> 04:37:37,279
the contingency budget yet so far. So
overall I think they're doing pretty

3028
04:37:36,240 --> 04:37:42,639
good considering what they've been
running into. Uh we did a development

3029
04:37:39,680 --> 04:37:48,639
review. All of that's going very well.
Um and then fall hydrant flushing is

3030
04:37:45,439 --> 04:37:53,279
complete. So
>> any questions of them?

3031
04:37:51,279 --> 04:37:56,240
Planning Commission.
>> So, the planning commission had two

3032
04:37:54,719 --> 04:38:00,320
meetings since we met last. The first
one was on October 28th. Um, that was a

3033
04:37:58,879 --> 04:38:07,279
fairly light meeting. The minutes are in
front of you. Um, we did introduce the

3034
04:38:03,199 --> 04:38:12,000
data data center committee um to the PC.
It was wellreceived.

3035
04:38:09,439 --> 04:38:16,000
Um, I think since then they've had some
reorganizational structure. They've met

3036
04:38:13,920 --> 04:38:21,119
a few times and I think they would like
to present that to the board if they

3037
04:38:18,639 --> 04:38:26,279
can. That would be okay.
>> Anybody have an issue with that?

3038
04:38:23,279 --> 04:38:26,279
» Sure.

3039
04:38:36,240 --> 04:38:43,119
» Hello again.
When this Do I need to state my name?

3040
04:38:42,561 --> 04:38:45,920
I'm sorry.
>> Do I need to state my name again or are

3041
04:38:45,520 --> 04:38:48,561
we good?
>> Does she need to state her name again?

3042
04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:52,639
» Oh, no. You're good.
>> Okay. Uh when this committee was formed,

3043
04:38:50,879 --> 04:38:58,160
it was approved and created for the
purpose of aiding the township to

3044
04:38:55,439 --> 04:39:03,359
provide an extension of resources in
order to better explore what ordinances

3045
04:39:00,320 --> 04:39:10,240
and regulations others utilize for newer
uses such as data centers and related

3046
04:39:06,719 --> 04:39:15,680
developments like cryptocurrency mining,
battery energy storage systems, etc. But

3047
04:39:13,520 --> 04:39:20,480
limited detail and committee structure
was determined when it was formed. The

3048
04:39:18,719 --> 04:39:25,199
purpose of the committee as approved by
the board was to gather and analyze

3049
04:39:22,879 --> 04:39:30,240
information and relay it to the township
for further review simply to ensure that

3050
04:39:28,000 --> 04:39:34,240
they had additional resources and
further opportunity for due diligence

3051
04:39:32,561 --> 04:39:38,798
with these newer uses being brought
before the community.

3052
04:39:36,480 --> 04:39:43,680
Afterward, we were strongly advised by
the township to not make any changes to

3053
04:39:41,280 --> 04:39:48,000
the number of committee members or to
the members themselves.

3054
04:39:45,760 --> 04:39:52,560
We were also advised not to assume a
role that interacted with the public as

3055
04:39:50,240 --> 04:39:56,400
the public already had avenues to
directly contact the board and the

3056
04:39:54,320 --> 04:40:02,798
planning commission.
We were asked to assign roles and told

3057
04:39:59,040 --> 04:40:09,360
we could reorganize as we saw fit, but
with the stipulation that

3058
04:40:06,320 --> 04:40:13,920
um chair positions could not also be
board members as this would be a

3059
04:40:11,840 --> 04:40:19,120
conflict to have a committee chair
person present to the same board that

3060
04:40:16,560 --> 04:40:23,600
they also sat on.
It is our understanding that because we

3061
04:40:21,040 --> 04:40:28,798
are not writing or crafting ordinances
and regulations from scratch and only

3062
04:40:26,798 --> 04:40:33,600
researching and passing information
along to the township for further

3063
04:40:30,638 --> 04:40:38,638
review. The meetings the committee um
has are not subject to OMA requirements

3064
04:40:36,560 --> 04:40:42,160
and we would like uh confirmation on
that topic. We need some guidance

3065
04:40:40,240 --> 04:40:46,638
please.
At our last PC meeting, the planning

3066
04:40:44,798 --> 04:40:51,200
commission seemed very supportive of
this committee and we were encouraged in

3067
04:40:49,520 --> 04:40:55,600
the interest of being a truly
residentled

3068
04:40:52,958 --> 04:41:00,240
uh committee to ensure that the citizen
residents served as the only chair and

3069
04:40:57,840 --> 04:41:05,280
voting members on the committee with the
township officials serving in a

3070
04:41:02,080 --> 04:41:09,680
supportive oversight capacity.
With the above information in mind, the

3071
04:41:07,760 --> 04:41:15,280
citizen residents of the committee have
composed our organizational structure

3072
04:41:12,080 --> 04:41:19,920
and request the township's approval. We
hope that this additional information

3073
04:41:17,200 --> 04:41:24,000
provides clarity and respectfully
request that we be given the opportunity

3074
04:41:21,760 --> 04:41:27,600
to fulfill our role. Thank you for your
consideration. And I do have the

3075
04:41:25,920 --> 04:41:30,240
organizational structure to give to you
guys, too.

3076
04:41:29,200 --> 04:41:32,560
» Okay.
>> I don't know if you want me to read that

3077
04:41:31,600 --> 04:41:35,360
out loud, too.
>> Sure. Yeah, we got to understand what

3078
04:41:34,160 --> 04:41:42,480
we're working with here.
>> Sure. Um, so, uh, resident research

3079
04:41:39,680 --> 04:41:47,520
advisory committee
>> objective. The resident research

3080
04:41:44,400 --> 04:41:52,638
advisory committee is a residentled
advisory group established to gather,

3081
04:41:50,638 --> 04:41:57,360
analyze, and present information
relevant to ordinances and regulations,

3082
04:41:55,520 --> 04:42:02,798
including but not limited to the
following uses: cryptocurrency mining,

3083
04:42:00,400 --> 04:42:07,360
data processing facilities, battery
energy storage systems, etc. to Howell

3084
04:42:05,760 --> 04:42:12,560
Township.
Its purpose is to help protect public

3085
04:42:10,560 --> 04:42:20,240
interest by identifying potential
impacts on water, air, energy, land use,

3086
04:42:16,798 --> 04:42:25,200
noise, emergency services, taxation,
community character, and more. and by

3087
04:42:22,878 --> 04:42:29,280
recommending for review appropriate
related regulatory safeguards and

3088
04:42:27,120 --> 04:42:34,000
ordinances
provide research-based recommendations

3089
04:42:31,440 --> 04:42:39,360
to Howell Township that are aligned with
the master plan and future land use map

3090
04:42:37,040 --> 04:42:44,638
and pertain to ordinance and regulatory
updates and zoning protections to assist

3091
04:42:42,480 --> 04:42:49,440
with well-thoughtout long-term planning
decisions. recommend responsible

3092
04:42:47,200 --> 04:42:54,000
development that prioritizes the health,
safety, quality of life, financial, and

3093
04:42:51,840 --> 04:42:57,200
other interests of township residents,
and the sustainability of shared

3094
04:42:55,760 --> 04:43:00,240
resources through effective
well-ressearched planning and

3095
04:42:58,480 --> 04:43:05,600
regulation.
The committee operates independent of

3096
04:43:02,320 --> 04:43:10,160
developers and utilities,
collaborates closely with township

3097
04:43:07,440 --> 04:43:14,718
officials, and serves as an extension of
resources with citizen resident

3098
04:43:12,638 --> 04:43:21,280
perspective.
Its conduct shall be to adhere to

3099
04:43:18,080 --> 04:43:26,320
township requirements, to operate in a
safe manner for all members, to conduct

3100
04:43:24,400 --> 04:43:31,520
all business in a respectful,
professional, and collaborative manner

3101
04:43:28,958 --> 04:43:35,680
within and outside of committee
meetings,

3102
04:43:33,280 --> 04:43:40,160
to ensure all members focus on the
intent and purpose of the committee.

3103
04:43:38,400 --> 04:43:44,958
Board members sit on the committee for
oversight and final decision on what

3104
04:43:42,878 --> 04:43:50,560
information to put forward to the
township will be made by majority vote

3105
04:43:47,840 --> 04:43:55,120
of the citizen resident members. In the
event of a tie, there will be a rotating

3106
04:43:52,878 --> 04:43:59,680
tiebreaker decision from one of the two
co-chairs.

3107
04:43:56,718 --> 04:44:05,040
And we also um at the advice of the
township chose a different co-chair

3108
04:44:02,638 --> 04:44:09,440
because we can't have Mr. Wilson sit as
co-chair because he also sits on the

3109
04:44:06,798 --> 04:44:14,560
board. was the advice we were given. Um,
and so we wanted to name Corey Ulten as

3110
04:44:11,920 --> 04:44:18,718
the other co-chair. Um, myself a
co-chair and I'm already listed that

3111
04:44:16,958 --> 04:44:24,160
way. Kristen Dennison we wanted to
designate as secretary and Dan Banelloo

3112
04:44:21,840 --> 04:44:29,280
as treasurer. And then those are the
committee members. And then the advisory

3113
04:44:25,920 --> 04:44:37,040
members we have Brent Kilpella, Bob
Wilson and Tim Bull. Thank you.

3114
04:44:33,760 --> 04:44:40,798
» Okay. So the question was since they
were formed by motion before, do we need

3115
04:44:38,718 --> 04:44:46,080
a motion to accept this from the the
board? I think

3116
04:44:44,160 --> 04:44:50,638
» I I mean it probably doesn't hurt in my
opinion. I I have another follow-up

3117
04:44:47,760 --> 04:44:54,320
question when we're done with this one.
>> I don't have a problem with what they're

3118
04:44:52,160 --> 04:44:56,878
doing. I mean,
>> I'm sorry.

3119
04:44:55,280 --> 04:45:00,320
» I don't have a problem with what they're
doing. If we I don't think we need to

3120
04:44:58,480 --> 04:45:03,840
vote on it. I just let them do what they
want to do.

3121
04:45:01,840 --> 04:45:10,718
» If you want to vote, we'll vote. Well, I
I would say that the board took a

3122
04:45:07,040 --> 04:45:16,320
position and voted to make you the chair
and to make Tim, I believe, the co-chair

3123
04:45:13,680 --> 04:45:22,080
and that was the structure of the
committee. And now without any board

3124
04:45:19,280 --> 04:45:27,760
approval or disapproval, the structures
changed. So, we certainly as a board

3125
04:45:25,280 --> 04:45:31,520
need to evaluate these changes and see
if it fulfills the intention of the

3126
04:45:30,240 --> 04:45:37,200
board.
>> Okay. I also have a question

3127
04:45:35,440 --> 04:45:40,958
» since they're not all residents.
>> Hang on one second.

3128
04:45:38,240 --> 04:45:44,560
» I'm co-chair and Mr. Wilson is co-chair
currently. That's how the structure is

3129
04:45:43,440 --> 04:45:48,240
currently laid out.
>> That was on that reconstruction.

3130
04:45:46,160 --> 04:45:49,920
» No, that that's how the committee was
originally set up,

3131
04:45:49,040 --> 04:45:50,638
» right? Okay.
>> Okay.

3132
04:45:50,160 --> 04:45:53,440
» Y
>> sorry to interrupt, Sue.

3133
04:45:52,480 --> 04:45:56,718
» Sue,
>> so

3134
04:45:55,120 --> 04:46:01,680
aren't they supposed to all be residents
of the township?

3135
04:45:59,840 --> 04:46:06,638
Is is Kristen the only member that's not
a township resident?

3136
04:46:05,360 --> 04:46:15,120
» Yeah. Okay.
>> I I this is all new. So, I mean that's

3137
04:46:11,280 --> 04:46:16,878
at the discretion of of us, I guess. I
mean,

3138
04:46:15,360 --> 04:46:20,080
» well, my only goal was to give the
citizens an opportunity to have a part

3139
04:46:19,200 --> 04:46:24,718
in this.
>> So, may I just weigh in a little bit on

3140
04:46:23,040 --> 04:46:30,878
that? Um,
I do live only obviously, you know, two

3141
04:46:28,480 --> 04:46:36,080
miles or so away as the crow flies from
the data center proposed site, which is

3142
04:46:33,520 --> 04:46:42,400
a lot closer than a majority of Howell
Township does. Um, the facility would be

3143
04:46:40,878 --> 04:46:48,240
directly across the street from Handy
Township. The township line between to

3144
04:46:45,040 --> 04:46:53,600
the north is only a mile um beyond the
property line as well for Kahaka and

3145
04:46:50,560 --> 04:46:58,400
Conway. the
municipal water mhog would also draw

3146
04:46:56,080 --> 04:47:02,560
from Marian Genanoa Oola townships
that's seven counties directly affected

3147
04:47:00,240 --> 04:47:07,040
by this so it's true I'm not a hell
resident so I don't know if there's like

3148
04:47:03,760 --> 04:47:09,120
a you know technical legal ramification
of it

3149
04:47:07,680 --> 04:47:13,200
» that's what I want to know
>> and how would the residents feel that

3150
04:47:11,120 --> 04:47:15,360
somebody from Kaka Township is
representing them and making their

3151
04:47:14,798 --> 04:47:19,040
decisions
>> right well that that's kind of what I

3152
04:47:16,878 --> 04:47:23,840
was speaking to is you know as it is
right now Howell is the only one with a

3153
04:47:21,120 --> 04:47:28,878
official say in the matter, but we all
have all these other townships do have

3154
04:47:26,000 --> 04:47:32,798
vested interests. So, oops. As long as
there's not like a technical reason, I

3155
04:47:31,280 --> 04:47:37,120
think, you know,
>> is that a problem or no?

3156
04:47:35,520 --> 04:47:40,718
» No, it's a it's an ad hoc committee that
the board created. The qualifications of

3157
04:47:39,520 --> 04:47:42,878
it are at the board's decision
discretion.

3158
04:47:41,520 --> 04:47:48,160
» Okay.
>> Personally, I think I realize that she's

3159
04:47:44,958 --> 04:47:54,400
not a resident, but I think Kristen has
a lot of information to provide.

3160
04:47:51,520 --> 04:47:58,560
So, um, the question I had is actually
for Chris and so Corey and I had a

3161
04:47:57,360 --> 04:48:04,080
convers well, we've had a couple
conversations in communication and I

3162
04:48:01,280 --> 04:48:07,520
provided him with your
uh, is it a legal letter that you

3163
04:48:05,760 --> 04:48:12,798
provide and and one of them was about
the open meetings act and so I guess

3164
04:48:10,320 --> 04:48:17,600
that goes to the question of do you have
any issues with them not complying with

3165
04:48:15,360 --> 04:48:22,320
the open meetings act as you've heard
their committee is organized? I I I'd

3166
04:48:20,400 --> 04:48:25,040
have to see the documents. I don't know.
When you say opinion, you could be

3167
04:48:23,680 --> 04:48:28,240
referring to like an e-letter that I've
written. There was a recent Michigan

3168
04:48:26,320 --> 04:48:31,360
Supreme Court case that sort of confused
the process. It's Pine Brook versus

3169
04:48:30,000 --> 04:48:36,160
Warren. We've talked about it. I've
lectured on it. It's an unfortunate case

3170
04:48:33,120 --> 04:48:39,200
that complicates the situation. So
listening to my ear is a little bit

3171
04:48:37,680 --> 04:48:44,080
different than discerning it by being
able to read it. So I would want to sort

3172
04:48:41,840 --> 04:48:48,320
of reserve that to if this is what the
direction you're going I kind of need to

3173
04:48:45,920 --> 04:48:53,040
understand comparing that in relation to
the board's direction. Generally it

3174
04:48:50,320 --> 04:48:57,040
seems probably unlikely because I it's
if I'm gathering it correctly it's

3175
04:48:54,638 --> 04:49:01,040
really a factf finding body to gather
stuff. No decision making no

3176
04:48:58,718 --> 04:49:04,160
deliberation on public policy that
should fall outside that case but it

3177
04:49:02,638 --> 04:49:08,798
it's a little conflated the way that it
was decided by the Supreme Court. So it

3178
04:49:05,760 --> 04:49:15,840
needs to be looked at.
I I believe ering on a side of caution

3179
04:49:12,160 --> 04:49:21,840
and making it um subject to the open
meeting open meetings act would only

3180
04:49:18,718 --> 04:49:27,040
further ensure transparency through this
process. So I don't I I wouldn't

3181
04:49:24,560 --> 04:49:35,440
understand why these should be a closed
session. Um it was said that there's uh

3182
04:49:31,040 --> 04:49:41,440
discussions on what um on what evidence
or information to present the board. All

3183
04:49:38,958 --> 04:49:47,040
that acts as an advisory committee to
the board that helps the board formulate

3184
04:49:43,920 --> 04:49:52,080
its decisions. So I really don't see how
this uh committee could be exempt from

3185
04:49:50,000 --> 04:49:56,878
the open meetings act as it's been
presented. personally.

3186
04:49:54,638 --> 04:50:01,120
» Are you currently meeting at at private
residence and scheduling it when it

3187
04:49:59,040 --> 04:50:05,280
works for your schedule?
>> Yeah.

3188
04:50:01,520 --> 04:50:09,680
» Well, just so we only had one formal
meeting scheduled um and it got

3189
04:50:08,080 --> 04:50:13,200
cancelled. So, we haven't
>> So, you haven't met yet?

3190
04:50:11,040 --> 04:50:15,760
» No, I mean, we've been communicating,
but we haven't officially started

3191
04:50:14,718 --> 04:50:20,560
anything because we don't have a
structure approved yet. So, that's what

3192
04:50:17,600 --> 04:50:25,920
we're here. So, we can start like I've I
research on my own. I'm sure, you know,

3193
04:50:23,040 --> 04:50:31,520
we all research on our own, but we
haven't done any formal, you know,

3194
04:50:29,280 --> 04:50:36,320
committee business yet because we
haven't we're here tonight to

3195
04:50:34,560 --> 04:50:41,680
» we're not writing ordinances either,
right? To that point about the Supreme

3196
04:50:38,958 --> 04:50:46,240
Court case. We did look at that and as a
resident research committee that is the

3197
04:50:43,840 --> 04:50:51,360
whole intent is that we comply with that
court case because their issue was they

3198
04:50:49,040 --> 04:50:54,320
were writing ordinances directly to the
township board from my understanding

3199
04:50:53,280 --> 04:50:59,440
» with a recommendation
>> with recommendations. We are not doing

3200
04:50:56,080 --> 04:51:03,280
that. So I I did research that case that
you're talking about, Chris, and I think

3201
04:51:00,798 --> 04:51:07,520
that was taken in that context that they
were they were actually doing quite a

3202
04:51:05,440 --> 04:51:10,000
bit. It was locally, too, wasn't it?
Like Royal Oak somewhere down southeast

3203
04:51:09,440 --> 04:51:14,080
Michigan.
>> Uh so it's it's a little little

3204
04:51:12,240 --> 04:51:16,958
complicated. It's recommendations that
they made on an application. One one of

3205
04:51:15,760 --> 04:51:21,280
the things that's problematic about the
case is there's a line in there used to

3206
04:51:19,440 --> 04:51:25,520
relate to you draw the line on whether
it was a deliberation or decision on

3207
04:51:22,878 --> 04:51:29,520
policy. the the K the court sort of has
a conjunctive test. There's a part where

3208
04:51:27,520 --> 04:51:32,958
they said, well, the fact that city
council received the materials from them

3209
04:51:31,360 --> 04:51:36,480
and then accepted it with no further
deliberation seem to suggest that

3210
04:51:34,638 --> 04:51:39,840
effectively they thought practically
there must have been meetings that were

3211
04:51:37,920 --> 04:51:43,920
occurring in violation of the Open
Meetings Act. So, it it's a little bit

3212
04:51:42,000 --> 04:51:48,000
more than just suggesting the structure
alone can prevent the problem with that

3213
04:51:45,840 --> 04:51:50,638
case. That's why it's that case causes
some problems with committees now. So,

3214
04:51:49,520 --> 04:51:54,798
I'm just saying it needs to be looked
at. I don't know the answer tonight, but

3215
04:51:52,718 --> 04:51:58,958
right ordinances in that situation.
>> I actually my memory is that it's

3216
04:51:56,878 --> 04:52:03,680
recommendations on applications for
marijuana licenses. It's a city, not a

3217
04:52:01,200 --> 04:52:07,840
township and it came with actually staff
involved at the city level. Uh and it

3218
04:52:06,400 --> 04:52:11,120
was a question of whether or not that
committee that didn't meet in compliance

3219
04:52:09,360 --> 04:52:14,878
with the open meetings act had violated
it when those applications came before

3220
04:52:13,360 --> 04:52:18,638
the council with no deliberation and
were then accepted and awarded.

3221
04:52:17,040 --> 04:52:26,798
» Chris, I have a question.
>> Yes. Do we rem do we remove ourselves

3222
04:52:22,798 --> 04:52:30,240
from any conflict if we remove the
advisory committee members two being

3223
04:52:28,718 --> 04:52:32,958
board members and one being an employee
of the township?

3224
04:52:32,000 --> 04:52:37,920
» Do you remove concern?
>> Do we remove the conflict of the open

3225
04:52:35,440 --> 04:52:41,040
meeting issue go away if Brent the
assessor Bob the trust

3226
04:52:39,520 --> 04:52:44,400
» Oh no that's that's not the issue. If
there if you potentially are still

3227
04:52:42,560 --> 04:52:47,520
creating the commiss committee and
you're asking them to do something that

3228
04:52:46,080 --> 04:52:51,120
falls within the line of that case, then
the issue still arises. It because

3229
04:52:49,840 --> 04:52:54,080
you're right, you're cloaking them with
some official capacity on behalf of the

3230
04:52:52,718 --> 04:52:56,560
board. It's not an issue that you have
two board members and the assessor on

3231
04:52:55,680 --> 04:53:00,798
there.
>> Does anyone have an objection with

3232
04:52:58,240 --> 04:53:04,878
providing their paperwork as they have
laid it out to Chris for review?

3233
04:53:03,840 --> 04:53:06,798
» No, that was going to be my
recommendation.

3234
04:53:05,600 --> 04:53:11,280
» I don't have any issue with that at all.
>> Yeah. To to get us that information so

3235
04:53:09,280 --> 04:53:16,638
we can look at it. Number one, our next
meeting is only two weeks away. Um, I I

3236
04:53:14,718 --> 04:53:19,840
would go for a consensus of the board
that they have no issue of them

3237
04:53:18,080 --> 04:53:23,600
continuing to meet and working on
whatever they're working on under that

3238
04:53:22,000 --> 04:53:27,040
structure
in the next two weeks. But

3239
04:53:25,120 --> 04:53:29,440
» they haven't they haven't met yet. They
haven't met yet. Right.

3240
04:53:28,080 --> 04:53:32,958
» Right. But if they wanted to get
together and start working towards that

3241
04:53:31,040 --> 04:53:38,160
direction, I'm not hearing anything that
is anybody's absolutely opposed to this,

3242
04:53:36,000 --> 04:53:42,320
but I think we need to make it right.
>> Sure. And I think the other question

3243
04:53:40,240 --> 04:53:46,000
would be is how is the information
relayed back to the planning commission?

3244
04:53:43,840 --> 04:53:50,160
Is that going to go, you know, is one of
the co-chairs going to bring that

3245
04:53:48,240 --> 04:53:57,280
information back? Is it going to go
through Tim being the liaison of the

3246
04:53:55,360 --> 04:54:01,920
planning commission or that would be
>> in theory? I I I would think that and

3247
04:54:00,560 --> 04:54:05,760
that's another thing we need to because
we weren't sure where the moratorum was

3248
04:54:03,440 --> 04:54:09,120
going to go is is planning commission is
it going to be referred to the planning

3249
04:54:07,040 --> 04:54:13,920
commission to start crafting an
ordinance on data centers at this point

3250
04:54:12,240 --> 04:54:19,120
or is that going to come down further
down the line that would come from us

3251
04:54:16,240 --> 04:54:24,480
correct it historically it has it
doesn't have to um and that's one of the

3252
04:54:21,440 --> 04:54:27,680
things I've been thinking about is that
if we'd maybe been a little more on the

3253
04:54:26,160 --> 04:54:32,000
ball and thought about it all the way
through. We could have made that motion

3254
04:54:30,400 --> 04:54:37,600
a while ago and we'd be two months
ahead, right? So, there's no reason the

3255
04:54:35,600 --> 04:54:40,958
planning commission can't take it up,
especially considering that we put the

3256
04:54:39,120 --> 04:54:44,878
more we voted for the moratorium to be
put in place even though we didn't make

3257
04:54:42,798 --> 04:54:49,480
a formal recommendation for them to look
into it. There's no reason that they

3258
04:54:46,480 --> 04:54:49,480
can.

3259
04:54:49,840 --> 04:54:55,600
» So, my thought would they would be
working with the planning commission in

3260
04:54:52,878 --> 04:54:59,680
the crafting of an ordinance. So, I I
know there's a couple examples out

3261
04:54:57,040 --> 04:55:04,080
there, but if you're saying we don't
need approval of this board to actually

3262
04:55:01,520 --> 04:55:08,958
start doing it, we will need some
guidance at the planning commission

3263
04:55:05,520 --> 04:55:11,920
level, I would think, though.
>> Well, I mean, the thing that I thought

3264
04:55:10,400 --> 04:55:16,798
is I I don't know how the interaction
between them and the planning commission

3265
04:55:13,360 --> 04:55:21,760
works. If it's if it's at meetings, then
we don't have to make really any other

3266
04:55:18,480 --> 04:55:24,798
accommodation. if it is. Um Tim, I don't
know if you were on the board when this

3267
04:55:23,120 --> 04:55:29,520
happened, but when Joe was zoning
administrator, he they and the planning

3268
04:55:26,878 --> 04:55:33,920
commission, they kind of set up this
subcommittee of the planning commission

3269
04:55:31,280 --> 04:55:39,600
to review things first with Paul and
then, you know, that the goal was to get

3270
04:55:36,638 --> 04:55:43,520
a lot more work done in between meetings
and so that when it got back to the the

3271
04:55:41,440 --> 04:55:47,760
planning commission, a whole bunch of
extra steps had already taken place as

3272
04:55:45,360 --> 04:55:51,040
opposed to I know you've you've been on
there and you It was just it was just a

3273
04:55:49,920 --> 04:55:55,120
subcommittee. Right.
>> Right. But like they they've looked at

3274
04:55:53,040 --> 04:55:58,560
ordinances for for six months and it you
know it goes back and forth and you can

3275
04:55:56,958 --> 04:56:02,560
kind of I'm not saying you have to cut
down that time but it does provide the

3276
04:56:00,400 --> 04:56:06,240
opportunity to cut that time down but if
if that's going to happen then we need

3277
04:56:04,878 --> 04:56:10,240
to be if if they're meeting with the
planner we need to as a board say that

3278
04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:14,080
we're okay with that. Whatever that
financial cost is either set a cap on it

3279
04:56:12,638 --> 04:56:17,040
or say that we understand that's going
to happen.

3280
04:56:15,680 --> 04:56:19,600
» I thought they were a research
committee. Well, I just I need to

3281
04:56:18,718 --> 04:56:20,958
understand how they're going to
interact. That's that's what I'm trying

3282
04:56:20,638 --> 04:56:23,280
to get.
>> That's where we're trying to get to that

3283
04:56:22,080 --> 04:56:29,040
full structure.
>> Um present to the planning commission on

3284
04:56:26,160 --> 04:56:32,480
a get a spot on the agenda.
>> So, you want you want it to happen at

3285
04:56:30,560 --> 04:56:36,480
the planning commission meetings with
your with your slot on there when you're

3286
04:56:34,080 --> 04:56:40,320
discussing these. Okay.
>> And are we allowed to email things to

3287
04:56:38,718 --> 04:56:44,160
you guys and the planning commission?
How does that work so that we're not

3288
04:56:41,600 --> 04:56:47,680
violating anything? Do we have to wait
and only present

3289
04:56:46,400 --> 04:56:52,080
at the planning commission. Is that the
direction? I'm sorry.

3290
04:56:49,760 --> 04:56:54,798
» So, like we you can't be having a
discussion with planning commission

3291
04:56:53,920 --> 04:56:58,560
members.
>> Okay.

3292
04:56:55,360 --> 04:57:01,840
» So, if you email things to me, um I mean
obviously that's how things get on the

3293
04:57:00,080 --> 04:57:06,160
planning commission agenda. Okay.
>> Is by getting it to me. So,

3294
04:57:04,160 --> 04:57:11,200
» um I just I need to know from the board
if it comes to me and it's information,

3295
04:57:09,440 --> 04:57:15,600
is this something you want me to send to
Paul as well? Again, it's incurring

3296
04:57:14,080 --> 04:57:17,760
cost. I just need to make sure we're
comfortable.

3297
04:57:16,160 --> 04:57:21,680
» Yeah, I'm I'm sorry. I don't want to
oversimplify it, but we had we have

3298
04:57:19,440 --> 04:57:25,360
subcommittees like like the Shywasi
River Committee, right? We we have that

3299
04:57:23,840 --> 04:57:30,240
committee.
Why not just have this committee as

3300
04:57:27,840 --> 04:57:33,920
Corey had recommended like have a spot
on the

3301
04:57:32,798 --> 04:57:37,760
» agenda
>> on the planning commission agenda?

3302
04:57:36,560 --> 04:57:40,958
» Well, that's that's what the planning
commission discussed. Yeah. And that's

3303
04:57:39,120 --> 04:57:44,560
what essentially we agreed to. I just
want to make sure I understand what the

3304
04:57:42,798 --> 04:57:49,040
board's direction is. I don't I don't
want to do things that incur costs that

3305
04:57:46,798 --> 04:57:52,560
then get us in trouble later because the
board didn't know about it, didn't

3306
04:57:50,080 --> 04:57:56,878
approve the cost. So, if it's just in
front of the planning commission, there

3307
04:57:55,120 --> 04:58:00,400
are you thinking
>> if if we're doing additional things,

3308
04:57:59,120 --> 04:58:02,560
they they said that they want to be on
the planning commission meeting. So,

3309
04:58:01,360 --> 04:58:08,080
that means they're not meeting with
Paul, right? But if there's other stuff

3310
04:58:05,360 --> 04:58:12,160
going on in between that that's where if
if we're contracting with anytime Paul

3311
04:58:10,160 --> 04:58:14,798
touches an ordinance that costs us
money.

3312
04:58:13,120 --> 04:58:18,080
» But they're not they're not doing
anything with ordinances. They're

3313
04:58:16,160 --> 04:58:20,798
they're a research committee. They're
factbinding. That's it.

3314
04:58:19,200 --> 04:58:25,040
» So they can present the the information
to the planning committee and Paul or

3315
04:58:23,360 --> 04:58:26,718
our planner will be there anyway. So
there

3316
04:58:25,440 --> 04:58:29,440
» or the planning commission could take
that information.

3317
04:58:27,520 --> 04:58:32,400
» The planning could do it. The planning
commission could

3318
04:58:30,400 --> 04:58:37,520
» we'll already have the planner there. So
if it if it occurs during the planning

3319
04:58:34,160 --> 04:58:41,360
commission meeting,
>> I mean if there's too much if there's

3320
04:58:38,958 --> 04:58:47,200
too much like confusion or like I would
say then like we should as a board we

3321
04:58:44,400 --> 04:58:51,600
should probably officially disband the
committee and let them do their own

3322
04:58:48,958 --> 04:58:56,320
thing. That that's what I would then
recommend. That's the that's probably

3323
04:58:53,840 --> 04:59:00,798
the the cleanest. But I understand the
benefit of saying

3324
04:58:58,480 --> 04:59:04,400
there a research committee that then
presents back to the planning

3325
04:59:02,638 --> 04:59:10,000
commission.
>> I would add that the planning commission

3326
04:59:06,560 --> 04:59:13,680
was unanimous in support. They are
wanting the support for

3327
04:59:11,440 --> 04:59:18,878
» I I'm not I'm not debating I'm not
debating that. Cory. Yeah.

3328
04:59:15,920 --> 04:59:23,920
» It it's certainly a unique situation. We
typically don't have uh um advisory

3329
04:59:22,080 --> 04:59:29,920
committees to the planning commission
other than the one you spoke of and our

3330
04:59:26,240 --> 04:59:35,840
planner of course. Um
and I am kind of with Matt. It's almost

3331
04:59:32,240 --> 04:59:40,638
better to disband this and let the
community do what it does and make

3332
04:59:37,760 --> 04:59:46,000
contact with the uh planning commission
at this point. I guess I got uh maybe a

3333
04:59:44,240 --> 04:59:51,120
followup question to something that was
stated about your roles. Did you state

3334
04:59:48,560 --> 04:59:54,638
that Dan would be the treasurer of this
committee?

3335
04:59:51,920 --> 04:59:58,638
» Yeah, and I apologize. Um, okay. We
thought that we had to assign somebody

3336
04:59:56,480 --> 05:00:02,798
as secretary and treasur. We don't we
don't plan on spending any money.

3337
05:00:00,560 --> 05:00:06,798
» It's It was It's just getting into more
questions is, you know, what's this

3338
05:00:04,718 --> 05:00:10,958
committee need a treasurer for? Is the
township financially responsible?

3339
05:00:08,958 --> 05:00:14,480
» We definitely don't plan on using any
money.

3340
05:00:11,680 --> 05:00:20,718
» So, that that's all. If it's not needed,
then um I guess I'd look to the board as

3341
05:00:18,160 --> 05:00:24,958
what's the direction from here.
>> Well, I mean, we we established it.

3342
05:00:22,638 --> 05:00:28,560
They've made some slight changes. I
think we get those changes to Chris to

3343
05:00:26,638 --> 05:00:32,400
make sure that we don't have any issues.
As long as we don't have any issues,

3344
05:00:30,160 --> 05:00:36,080
then I say because what I've heard from
them and from us is they'll interact at

3345
05:00:34,480 --> 05:00:41,840
the planning commission level, which
means no additional funds needed. So, I

3346
05:00:39,200 --> 05:00:46,160
I say that we we do that. We get Chris's
review. As long as everything's all

3347
05:00:43,920 --> 05:00:49,120
right, we'll let them know and then they
can get started on their stuff. We'll

3348
05:00:47,600 --> 05:00:52,638
make sure anytime that the stuff's on
the agenda for the planning commission

3349
05:00:50,798 --> 05:00:57,280
that they're on there. That allows them
to to participate in in the whole

3350
05:00:54,958 --> 05:01:01,040
process. Does that sound acceptable?
>> Yep. I I I just I I really want us to be

3351
05:00:59,920 --> 05:01:01,760
able to see the structure that was
written.

3352
05:01:01,440 --> 05:01:04,958
» Yeah.
>> And and so No, you not tonight, but

3353
05:01:04,160 --> 05:01:07,840
» Okay. I was going to say
>> if you can just send it to Jonathan, he

3354
05:01:06,400 --> 05:01:11,760
can forward it out and then you know if
there's more questions next month then

3355
05:01:09,680 --> 05:01:14,080
or in two weeks we can
>> we can cover that and

3356
05:01:13,680 --> 05:01:18,000
» okay
>> take care of any details because we'll

3357
05:01:15,600 --> 05:01:23,440
have maybe have Chris's report. It's
only two weeks away so

3358
05:01:21,760 --> 05:01:26,400
the area.
>> Okay, I think we're good.

3359
05:01:25,440 --> 05:01:31,360
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

3360
05:01:28,638 --> 05:01:35,280
Also, just real quick quick, we had a
planning commission meeting last Tuesday

3361
05:01:33,440 --> 05:01:38,560
and there was a reasonzoning which will
be coming.

3362
05:01:37,200 --> 05:01:43,200
» I don't think it will make it by
December.

3363
05:01:40,400 --> 05:01:46,320
» No, it'll it should make the county
December meeting.

3364
05:01:44,160 --> 05:01:48,798
» Okay. So, it was sent over today
January.

3365
05:01:47,040 --> 05:01:53,920
» So, it should be should be January. It
was to reszone two parcels on Tuli Road

3366
05:01:51,360 --> 05:01:58,320
and it was a it was a split vote so it
didn't it didn't get approved but

3367
05:01:56,958 --> 05:02:04,240
it'll end up here.
>> Okay.

3368
05:02:01,120 --> 05:02:09,200
» Question for the supervisor perhaps on a
split vote. What does that mean? I mean

3369
05:02:06,240 --> 05:02:13,760
ultimately it's an advisement. So just
the same it comes to the board.

3370
05:02:10,878 --> 05:02:18,320
» Still it's a no vote. So
>> it's a no vote is it? If it doesn't get

3371
05:02:16,480 --> 05:02:22,000
approved, then it's it's a denial.
>> I got you. So, thank you.

3372
05:02:20,160 --> 05:02:26,320
» Okay.
All right. Anything else for planning

3373
05:02:23,280 --> 05:02:29,360
commission CBA?
>> Nothing.

3374
05:02:26,718 --> 05:02:35,280
» Nothing. Uh wastewater treatment plant.
>> Um the only item on there is the biotech

3375
05:02:32,798 --> 05:02:40,320
agonomics contract that needs to be
renewed. They are the company that um

3376
05:02:38,240 --> 05:02:44,480
spreads the bioolids onto farmers
fields. Uh to my knowledge, they are the

3377
05:02:43,200 --> 05:02:47,440
only company in the state that does
that.

3378
05:02:45,920 --> 05:02:53,200
Um,
and so our contract is up. We had uh Sue

3379
05:02:50,000 --> 05:02:58,560
did send it to Greg and James to look at
and they didn't see any issues with it.

3380
05:02:56,878 --> 05:03:00,798
» And they said it was a good price for
it.

3381
05:03:00,000 --> 05:03:02,798
» Okay.
>> Did they find the air leak?

3382
05:03:02,240 --> 05:03:05,520
» They did.
>> They did.

3383
05:03:03,520 --> 05:03:07,200
» Was it the good one or the bad one?
>> It's the It's the good news.

3384
05:03:06,480 --> 05:03:09,280
» It was the good one.
>> Yeah.

3385
05:03:07,440 --> 05:03:11,760
» What? I'm sorry, Tim. What was your
question?

3386
05:03:09,920 --> 05:03:16,000
» Did they find the air leak?
>> Oh,

3387
05:03:12,160 --> 05:03:17,440
» they had an air leak. They were fighting
>> digging up

3388
05:03:16,638 --> 05:03:20,480
» going out to the sand.
>> Is there a motion for the

3389
05:03:18,798 --> 05:03:23,920
» uh move to accept the agreement with
biotech agronomics for three years as

3390
05:03:22,798 --> 05:03:26,718
presented?
>> Support.

3391
05:03:24,718 --> 05:03:29,360
» Motion by Hoenstein, second by Doss.
Discussion.

3392
05:03:28,160 --> 05:03:34,400
» All those in favor?
>> I opposed.

3393
05:03:32,958 --> 05:03:38,798
Motion carries. Anything else?
Wastewater.

3394
05:03:35,040 --> 05:03:43,200
» That's it. Uh Parks and Recreation. Uh
>> the report's in there. Okay.

3395
05:03:41,120 --> 05:03:45,520
» Any questions of that?
Property Committee,

3396
05:03:44,798 --> 05:03:49,200
» nothing.
>> Parks and Recreation Committee.

3397
05:03:47,200 --> 05:03:53,520
» Uh you do have a report in there. There
will be another one in the next board uh

3398
05:03:51,280 --> 05:03:59,520
packet. And most likely the board will
also see the uh plan for the park at the

3399
05:03:57,200 --> 05:04:06,480
next meeting. Well, maybe not December.
Depends on how December plays out.

3400
05:04:03,120 --> 05:04:11,840
» Okay. Uh Shywasi River Committee and
we'll report their dispersements.

3401
05:04:10,400 --> 05:04:15,280
Move to accept the dispersements as
presented and any normal and customary

3402
05:04:13,440 --> 05:04:18,480
payments for the month.
>> Support.

3403
05:04:16,480 --> 05:04:22,160
» Motion by Honest Knight, seconded by
Count.

3404
05:04:20,560 --> 05:04:26,240
» All those in favor?
>> I opposed. Motion carries. Is there a

3405
05:04:25,040 --> 05:04:28,638
motion to adjurnn?
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3406
05:04:27,600 --> 05:04:32,160
» Support.
>> Motion by count. Second by doss. All

3407
05:04:31,120 --> 05:04:38,200
those in favor?
>> I.

3408
05:04:34,798 --> 05:04:38,200
» We are adjourned.