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» Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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24th. Please bear with me while I meet
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planning commission approval of the
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meeting minutes. Do we have any
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» This is Tim at the L. I'll make a motion
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commission meeting minutes.
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for approval.
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» And a second by Larry. Larry, how do you
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» Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?

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» Mike, I vote I.
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» Miss Timothy, I vote I. Ken, how do you
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» This is Can I vote [clears throat] I?
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planning commission meeting minutes of
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board of adjustment. Approval of the
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>> Larry, I move we adjust the board of

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adjustment minutes as presented. Okay.
Thank you, Larry. I have a motion by

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[clears throat] Larry to approve the
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meeting minutes. Do I have a second?
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» Okay. And a second by Mike. Larry, how
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» Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?

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» Mike, I vote I.
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» Timothy, votes I.
>> Ken, how do you vote?

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» This is Ken, vote I.
>> Mrs. Brock, I also vote I. The board of

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adjustment minutes have been approved
for July 27th, 2026 meeting. Moving

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straight through to the new business
variance application 43-V26

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by Don Dson-f Fox lot 6 block one and
115th interest in lot a island view

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section 3 township 139 range 33 Crowing
Township Crowing Lake Township on Island

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Lake a recreational development lake
parcel 06.51.00600

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006000.
The applicant is requesting a variance

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from section 902.1.b
of the shoreland management ordinance

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for grading in a steep slope in excess
of the permittable volume. Thank you so

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much for coming to the presenter's
table. Can you please state your name

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and address for the record?
>> Yes. Good evening. Uh I'm James Dreon. I

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am uh the agent for the owner uh who is
here tonight. Um,

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» Don Dreon Fox,
15103 Choke Cherry Drive.

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» And Don, you're here tonight as well.
Okay, I am.

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» Thank you. Don, can you go ahead and
please state your name and address as

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well?
>> Uh, Don Threes Fox um 15101 Choke

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Cherry.
>> Thank you, Don. Appreciate that. Okay.

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And go ahead and continue with your
request, please. Yeah, we're proposing

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as as we stated a a 30 by 30 uh foot
addition to uh her cabin uh with a

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smaller uh lower level or walk out
basement level. Um we wanted to uh go

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down rather than up to, you know, keep
the footprint a little bit smaller. And

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uh the this the natural contours of the
lot seem to support um a walkout uh

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basement very nicely. um sands the the
requirement or the restriction on how

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much volume of soil we can move. So um
we're also proposing a excuse me a

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threeseason porch on one end and a and a
small small grill deck on the lakeside.

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» Okay. Thank you so much. In this um
application here, it also states that

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you're going to be removing the gazebo
and the 10 x10 shed. Is that correct?

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Yeah, we're still trying to sort the
gazebo as to how we can handle that. Um

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but yes, it needs to move um to support
the construction. Okay.

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» And at this time, it appears that your
request is to move approximately 200

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cubic yards of soil.
>> Yeah, that's the best estimate from our

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contractor.
>> Okay.

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Do I have any questions or comments from
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» Um, I neglected to ask this, Larry. When
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going to leave the premises or are you
putting it elsewhere on site?

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» Um, that would it you if it needs to
stay on site, we certainly can keep it

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on site. Um I don't know that that had
been completely determined but uh yeah

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there is there is spots to put it um on
the site because as you recall we have

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quite a bit of land to the
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» Okay.
>> I guess the question would be are you

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going to use it any fill of it anywhere
else around the house of you know not at

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all just Okay. No, we've got a it's
pretty level where the c the one cabin

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the existing cabin is.

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» Any other questions or comments?
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your contour
um storm water runoff is a concern. Um

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um I would at least like to make sure
that the house is has properly installed

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gutters and all storm water is directed
down to the west to that low area of

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your property uh and not allowed to run
towards the lake. That would be a

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condition uh for me to be willing to
consider this.

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» Yeah. And we've got we're proposing
gutters on on the addition. And as you

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noted noted, we have do have the gutters
on the on the cabin, the existing cabin.

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» I just want to make sure that the
addition would uh ensure that that water

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does down to the left there.
>> Yeah, there's a natural swale there that

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» and a low area basin to catch it. Yes.
Thank you.

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» Yep. That's that's the intent is to
manage the storm water in that way.

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Okay.
>> Okay. I'm going to at this time I'm

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going to go ahead and open for public
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And seeing none, I'm going to close
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Uh during the lot views, I did notice
that uh the lakeside is very well

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vegetated. I don't see I appreciate that
too. It's I did note that. So there's a

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lot of screening for this proposal.
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it's not getting any closer to the lake.
I do, it's still on the It's not

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encroaching any closer.
>> Um, I do like Ken's proposal as far as

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the condition, even though you talked
about the the guttering, but I would

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like to put that condition on there,
too, that this guttering be installed to

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direct that storm water away from the
lake. I also would like to put on there,

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even though you have in your application
that you're going to remove the shed and

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the gazebo, but the lake um the 10x10
shed and the gazebo must be removed from

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the property prior to your land use
permit being obtained.

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If you're going to remove those items
anyway, I don't foresee that to be a

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problem unless you do.
>> We don't have a plan to move on where

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how we're going to move it or how we're
going to get it out. So, it might not

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happen before. Are you not I mean are
you not going to do anything this?

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» It has to be moved back. We just
>> Sure. But I mean this season's almost

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over for contracting. You're probably
not going to do your permit until next

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spring anyhow. Is that correct? Or do
you have a plan yet?

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» Yeah, we're hoping to well pending
tonight's decision. We were hope hoping

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to start uh in September.
>> I see. To do the ground work then.

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» Correct.
>> He wants to get it closed off so we can

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work all win all winter.
>> I see. Yeah,

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» Ronnie, for my clarification, the the
gazebo there that seems to be

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an iffy about removing it.
Are we are we going to require that as

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part of a condition or that at least
must be moved back to 100 ft? What?

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» Yeah. Well, he just mentioned it during
lot views because they're going to have

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a screened porch that they were going to
get rid of it or, you know, relocate it.

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So, I was going to utilize that as a
condition, but um I'm I'm open either

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way that it can be moved back either to
the 100 foot setback and permitted

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properly. Um

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yes, either one for me.
>> I guess I would be okay with that that

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we're moved back if there's room
>> as opposed to destroying it anyway. So,

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I don't know how my colleagues feel.
>> Oh, absolutely. I didn't want to see it

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destroyed. I just wanted to see it
removed from the property with the as he

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mentioned, he's going to have screened
in porch. That's the only reason.

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» This is Tim. Uh I've got a question for
Eric. With the leftover after they

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backfill, if they get this and backfill,
wouldn't they have to remove all that

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soil off the property?

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» Unless there's some place that meets
setback and isn't in a steep slope where

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they could place it. I'm going to guess
if they've got anything left over,

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they'll probably want to have it taken
off site.

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» So, so there's only certain spots it can
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» Yeah.
>> Yep.

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» The plan was to take it off site, wasn't
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» Yes.
>> Yep.

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One other thing that I was questioning,
I don't know how the board members feel,

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but with this um size of a additions and
the

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setback from the lake, I was considering
the condition that no further additions

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just to the residential structure um be
allowed

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» as a condition.
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from a two-bedroom to a fourbedroom and
being 66 feet from the OW.

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» This is Larry. You might um help me out
if I'm wrong here, but there was no

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garage on the property. Correct.
>> Right. And this would only be the

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residential, but that still doesn't mean
they couldn't have an accessory

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structure possibly, you know.
>> Okay, that's what I wanted to clarify to

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make sure that we weren't stopping all
that. Okay, very good.

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» Yep. I considered that. Yep. I
considered that.

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» That was a goal down.
>> Yep. And that's why Yeah, exactly.

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» Yep.
>> Okay.

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Put a motion.
>> Yes, please.

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» Um I'll try with the conditions. I'll
make a motion that we accept uh variance

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request 43V26
with three conditions. Uh there will be

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no future additions to the residential
building will be allowed in the future.

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Uh that um guttering
uh and water storm water direction will

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ensure the water goes to the um
low area west of the of the uh structure

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and that the shed
uh the shed that's to the west of the

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structure, not up the hill. Um and the
gazebo be removed from the property.

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I think I picked up on all the
>> so not just moved back 100 feet removed.

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» Well, I'm since you're getting a
screened in porch. Um I'm making the

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statement that of completely removal. If
the rest of the colleagues are okay with

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100 ft, I agree with that. But it seemed
to be that the contention wasn't as long

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as with the amount of construction, the
size expansion and and the screened in

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porch that it was it's not necessary to
be there. So, um I don't know how other

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people feel.

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» I'm okay with that if
>> I am too, but maybe a deadline because

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you can't I mean might have to put a
deadline on it.

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» Could I ask that we have some time to do
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» Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, oh
yeah, you you can add that. Uh, I forgot

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that.
>> Yeah, I mean, even if we say by next,

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you know, because I know you're going to
be doing the

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ground work, but even if we say if the
has to be removed by in one year, that

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would be this time one year, you know,
within one year. The shed can be removed

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right away. But the
>> yeah the fourth condition is shed and

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gazeu need to be
>> um removed with one year from the

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» from today
>> acceptance the application.

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» Mhm. Correct.
And then the findings of facts.

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» Okay. Let me try. Um is the variance in
harmony with the general purposes in 10

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official controls? Uh construction is at
the side of the structure which

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maintains this still maintains the
setback from the lake. the conditions

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for gutters uh other structural removal
um um

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uh um see removal are consistent with
the official controls.

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Uh is a property owner proposing to use
a property reasonable manner not

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permitted by an official control? Yes,
increasing a very small cabin of 720

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square ft to the approximate 2,000
square ft is a reasonable use.

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Uh number three is the need for a
variance due to circumstances unique to

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the property and not created by the
current or property owner. Um the

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topography is such a soil removal would
required for any construction. Um uh and

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it is mostly in a steep slope area.
>> Yep. And we can also add that the

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driveway runs through the southeast
corner providing access to the adjacent

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lot for that one as well.
>> Yep. We can add that. Good point.

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Um, will the issuance of the variance
maintain the essential character of the

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locality? Uh, location is single family
residence with good separation. Uh, and

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the applica applicant's family owns the
property to the east. So, there's really

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no change to the character. And number
five, uh, is yes. Does the stated

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practical difficulty involve more than
just more than just economic

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consideration? The answer is the econ
economics are not cited in the

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application is a practical difficulty.
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a motion by Ken

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to approve the variance application as
stated per the site plan with the

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conditions that he listed the three
conditions and he produced the findings

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of facts one through four and adopted
number five. Do I have a second?

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» This is Larry. A second.
>> And a second by Larry. Timothy, how do

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you vote?
>> This is Timothy, I vote I.

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» Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.

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» Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.

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» Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.

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» And this is Veronica, I also vote I. So,
you'll be receiving a decision letter

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from the Environmental Services Office
on your next steps. Okay.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you very much.

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Next item on the agenda is variance
application 44-v26

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by John Carter, part of government lot
2, section 35, township 142, range 34,

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clean clay township on big man trap
lake, a recreational development lake,

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parcel 04.35.00820.

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The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 902.1 of the shoreland

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management ordinance for grading in a
steep slope in excess of permittable

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volume.
Okay. Thank you, sir. If you could

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please state your name and address for
the record.

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» John Carter, 28833 Junipine Park Rapids.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. And please go

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ahead and state your request for us. So,
I'm looking to create a new access to my

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property off of Juul. Um, basically a
new driveway. Um,

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that's what I'm looking to do.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. I'm just going to

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also read in here. Says the request is
to allow approximately 280 cubic yards

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of soil to be removed in a steep slope
so that the road approach onto County

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104 can be moved. Is that correct?
Uh, I'm going to say yes. I have a

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little difficulty hearing, but I think
>> I'm sorry. I can Is that a little

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better?
>> Yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

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» Um, so I'll read it one more time. The
request is to allow approximately 280

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cubic yards of soil to be moved in a
steep slope so that the road approach on

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the county 104 can be moved. Is that
correct?

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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Um

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and it says the approach is for the
Juniper Drive which is a private road

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that has five properties using it for
access. These five properties have

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easement over the current location of
Juniper or Junipine Drive which runs

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into front of the house the applicant
constructed on the lot roughly three

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years ago. Correct.
>> Correct.

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» Okay. And the easement predates the
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and

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Okay. Do I have any questions or
comments from the board?

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If we don't have any questions or
comments at this time, I'm going to go

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ahead and open for public comment.
Okay, go right ahead. And it appears our

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microphone is not coming down out of the
ceiling, so you'll have to use the

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handheld one, please. So, first sign in.
>> I am Christine Almond Maples. I live at

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28909 Judah Pine Drive.
>> Perfect. Thank you. And you'll also have

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to sign in on the board, too. Thank you.
Thanks. Um, so I'm on the driveway on

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the end part, the furthest part, one of
the five people that live there. Um, I

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did give a written um, letter to the
county, but that was under the

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understanding that the driveway was
being adjusted and moved per the

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application. Um, even now though with
maintaining the original driveway, I

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still do have the concern about the
structural integrity, the risk to that

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with the additional um, approach.
[clears throat]

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Um, I'm there all year round. My husband
and my family and I, we are there all

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year round. We maintain the road in the
winter with the snow plowing. We hire it

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out. I don't do it myself. Um but in the
summertime whenever we've got a rain,

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myself and our neighbors, our other four
neighbors um also go and maintain the

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road with bringing in class 5 as needed,
whatever. There are significant areas of

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ruting after the rain and we are
concerned about the structural integrity

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that it might introduce additional
rudding for the new driveway. Okay.

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» Thank you very much.

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Okay. Any other public comment?

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» Hi, I'm I'm Linda Y. 285 Gun Pine Drive.
I'm just concerned about

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» maybe a little bit closer or
>> I'm concerned a little bit about the

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easements. Um I know I I sent in a
public comment letter and I just want to

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make sure y'all are aware of that and
take that into consideration too because

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um any new I'm sure you all were out
there looking at it the other day and

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it's a steep access if it is put in that
way and the onto 104 becomes a problem

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and other neighbors are concerned about
it. And on weekends when there's a lot

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of traffic through there, there's a
blind corner when you come over the

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hill, you can't see it. And um I'm
concerned about that. And then there

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were the 911 address changes. What
do we change our address if that

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happens?
Um those are the questions I have.

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» Okay.

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» Okay.
Thank you.

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Okay. Any other public comment?

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I'm Betty Hakabo and my address is 2911.
I Juliet drive. I do not live on Juniper

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Pine Drive, but I go by this area
anywhere from probably 4 to six times a

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day. So, I go around the Islands Corner,
which is about 150 ft from where the

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driveway is proposed,
which doesn't give you much time coming

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around that corner to see somebody
coming out. It's an extremely steep

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elevation to put a driveway in. Coming
from the south, coming like from town,

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when you come to the hilltop, it is
probably 100 ft from there, which is

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another
not so good idea because you can't

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really see very well. There's a lot of
trees around. Um,

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the driveway has been there for many
years.

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And um I'm wondering
what's the purpose in changing it.

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I guess to know
I mean there's a driveway there now that

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serves a purpose.
So that's just my concern and I also

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sent a letter

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Any

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[snorts]

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other public comment?

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Okay, seeing none, I'm going to close
public comment.

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questions.
>> Sure. Go ahead, Ken. Um,

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» Mr. Carter, um, how wide were you
proposing

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uh the cut be in that
uh steep hillside, the full 33 feet of

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the easement?
No, I I was planning on 16 feet to 18

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feet, which is the current width of the
existing easement. It might end up being

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a little wider than that.
>> Okay.

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» I've only had one contractor
look at it,

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» but he looked at terms of removing the
dirt and rounding the I don't know how

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to put it, rounding the top of the hill.
It might end up being more like 18 feet.

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» Okay. And then to prevent
um

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coming down to the wall things on the
side, usually a 3:1

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ratio. Um and it looks to me like you're
cutting about 15 ft into that hill. So

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at least eight or 10. That would seem to
me that you're going to beyond that 16

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or 18 feet, you're going to have to peel
out what maybe 24 feet on each side. Uh,

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I think you're I think you're pretty
close.

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» Any kind of u protection. That's pretty
extensive.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» And
you built your house when the road's

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been there for many, many years.
What what's what's driving you to need

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to want to um prevent the traffic from
coming in on the current road or what

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what's what's driving you to do this?
I'm not, first of all, I'm not

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preventing anybody from using the
current access. They have deeded access,

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so that's never been an issue with me.
You're pretty close to, I think, what

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the contractor was telling me, the tip
to tip area between 24 and 30 ft. He's

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not sure,
>> he's recommending class three rock up to

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8 ft and then ground cover beyond that
to prevent soil erosion,

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» but he did tell me
um that it would be it would be when

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he's done doing the grading, then that
would determine how much of the class 3

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would go in there. Um,
you're right that when I built the

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house,
uh, we have kind of a rough idea of the

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landscaping we want to get done to the
house. And one of the things we want to

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do is create a little
better look for the house, then having

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that open space, which is actually wider
than the house to create a little better

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look to when you're when I'm looking at
the house kind of thing. And I think one

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of the people that was at the site
inspection hit the nail on the head when

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they said, "I'm going to grass in where
the current driveway access is," which

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is part of the plan, and then plant
trees uh along our the

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west side of the easement between the
easement and the house to make the

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appearance of the house better. That's
been the goal from the beginning. I have

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a small logistic issue, which is getting
my

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23 foot boat trailer and my
uh long box

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uh crew cab truck to make that turn
easily. This would make that easier, but

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that's secondary to the landscaping
plan.

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Okay. I'm I'm still
being the owner of a boat trailer about

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the same size,
>> I still don't see how that easement and

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the slice you're going to make is going
to make improve your ability to u get

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your trailer onto the current drive. Um,
and it seemed to me there's plenty of

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room for it to be turned around with the
current setup.

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» I can I can do it. just takes a about
like a three-point turn for me to get it

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in there straight.
>> Yeah. So, okay.

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» This is Tim. Um, I agree with the public
comment. I I think somebody coming 60

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miles an hour either way, it's it's
going to be too close from it being

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blind that close. And I do think it's a
safety issue. And um and I think you're

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going to have the same problem with
driving in from that way as you would

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the way you are. So, myself, um, I'm not
in favor of the

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[snorts]
>> the new driveway is 72 feet

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» further north.
>> It's down a hill and closer to a corner

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the other way.
>> 72 feet.

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» I was there,
>> right?

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» Y,
>> but you still have this 90° turn because

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the the angle that you have, you still
have to go in and then turn to get down

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to your house. That would be that would
be the turnout that the contractor would

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build.
>> No,

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» it's the same it's the same 90 degrees
for me though.

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» Yeah. During when we were there, you
mentioned that you would come straight

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across your grass. You know, you go qu
right across your grass.

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» Well, you can already go right across
your grass utilizing the Junipine Drive

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and not even have to cut any of this
excess out.

418
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:25,359
All the ideas that were mentioned during
the site inspection are are they're

419
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:26,639
ideas, right? They're good ideas and
they work.

420
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:30,720
» Yep. Right.
>> But for me, the part that we're trying

421
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,960
to accomplish is also a long range
landscaping idea.

422
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:41,280
» And that would mean changing basically
the front yard by planting trees and

423
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:45,280
such with maintaining the current short
driveway that I've got that would

424
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:51,359
prevent that from happening. That's that
was my purpose in applying for the

425
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:57,599
variance is to make the the driveway
more or less hidden by planting trees

426
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:01,119
» on my property.
>> So,

427
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:05,200
» but if it's still going to be left open
for people to drive, you're not going to

428
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,160
be able to change the landscaping
>> anyway. It's absolutely true.

429
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:14,599
» Right.
>> My approach to the property would be

430
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:14,599
better from an appearance standpoint.

431
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:23,359
This is Larry. I walked up on that hill
and looked down and it it's really a

432
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:28,720
straight drop down to 104.
>> And the amount of dirt that would have

433
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:32,240
to be moved to make that a safe driveway
with a flat spot on the bottom and stuff

434
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:37,359
so you can actually stop before entering
104. To me, it's just not feasible. um

435
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:46,000
it from a safety standpoint and also
it's just a really serious

436
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:52,560
um cut to fix a fairly minor break.
So I I have trouble. So the

437
00:35:48,960 --> 00:36:00,320
» the actual elevation from Juel to the
point of the easement is 10 ft over 117

438
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:04,560
ft,
which is the exact same distance from

439
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,760
the low point of the easement to where
the new approach would be for my

440
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:16,320
driveway. So it's it's uh one foot for
every 10 feet roughly of elevation

441
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:21,760
to the easement,
>> right? But 104 runs uphill to that

442
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:27,599
current easement. So that's eating most
of that naturally where you're trying to

443
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:33,440
do it in a very short span.
>> It's going to be a miserable slippery

444
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,400
hill in the winter time.
>> Yeah.

445
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,240
» Sorry.
>> What in the winter time snow will get

446
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:43,920
packed down. It will become very
slippery. That steep part where you're

447
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:51,520
going to have to go up.
Well, so the actual elevation

448
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:57,200
for my driveway from Jewel 104 to the
easement is exactly the same elevation

449
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,800
that currently exists
in the the the current easement. It's 10

450
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:08,720
ft from the low point to the new point
of entry. It's the same 10 feet.

451
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:13,440
So, it's no I'm not I'm not disputing
what you're saying. What I'm saying is

452
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:17,000
that it's the same for me. It's the same
same 10 ft.

453
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:27,760
This is Veronica speaking. I'm in
agreeance with my um colleagues that the

454
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:36,400
existing location of Junipine Drive
works, just as it is for the applicant,

455
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:42,720
that this proposal is excessive. Um
especially this 280 cubic yards of

456
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:49,920
material uh the safety issues, the blind
spot. Um during lot views, we all were

457
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:54,400
in agreeance that there's plenty of room
on the property that the applicant can

458
00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:03,280
usable space that the applicant can
drive to access the pole shed. So, I'm

459
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:07,920
not in favor of the application and I am
uh I would agree with the staff and

460
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:14,079
deny.
This is Tim. I'll make a motion to deny

461
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:20,560
application 44-V26
and adopt staff's findings.

462
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:27,040
» I have a motion by Timothy to deny the
application and to adopt the staff's

463
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,880
findings of facts. Do I have a second?
This is Mike. I'll second.

464
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,119
» Okay. And a second by Mike. Timothy, how
do you vote?

465
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,359
» This is Timothy, I vote I.
>> Ken, how do you vote?

466
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,440
» I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?

467
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,200
» Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?

468
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,320
» Mike, I vote I.
>> And this is Veronica, I also vote I.

469
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:48,079
Your application has been denied and you
will receive a decision letter from the

470
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:52,119
Environmental Services Office within the
next couple of days. Okay.

471
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:04,800
Next item on the agenda,
variance application 45-B26

472
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:11,200
by William Mills Trust, part of
government lot 7, section 30, Township

473
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:17,240
142, range 33, Thorp Township on Big Man
Trap Lake, a recreational development

474
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,240
lake, parcels 2630.01800

475
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,640
and 26.30.0160.

476
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:29,520
The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 4 subdivision A1A2

477
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,839
of the subdivision ordinance for
proposed boundary line adjustment that

478
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:37,599
will not make a non-conforming lot more
conforming.

479
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:42,000
Thank you for coming to the presenters
table

480
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:46,320
and go ahead and state your name for the
record please. William Mills. Uh,

481
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:49,320
» and the address that
>> 249

482
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,599
anyway, Juniper Trail,
>> whatever my number is.

483
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839
» 29421.
>> Okay. Thank you.

484
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,320
» There you go.
>> And my neighbor Mark Condiff.

485
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:05,839
» Yep. I'm at 29291 Juniper Trail,
adjacent property.

486
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,800
» Perfect. Thank you. And go ahead and uh
give us your rundown on your request,

487
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:16,480
please. It's simply to uh draw a
straight line between our two

488
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:21,760
properties. Um uh for some reason
history uh

489
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:26,960
saddled us with a really strange uh
configuration.

490
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:34,400
Um so we're uh we we picked the same
point on the uh lake shore of the

491
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:40,400
existing uh property line. So no lakes
shore changes hands and then the line

492
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:46,079
was drawn. So that we traded uh square
foot for square foot of land. So there's

493
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:50,640
no change in amount of land either one
of us own. And we have a straight line

494
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:54,880
from the lake shore over to the property
line which goes down the side of uh

495
00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:00,160
Juniper Trail.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

496
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,480
I'm going to go ahead and just open for
public comment.

497
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:11,599
And seeing that I'm going to close
public comment.

498
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:13,839
Do I have any questions from the board?
No,

499
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:20,000
» this is again just for the kind of for
the record. It seems to me this is such

500
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:27,280
a logical thing to do. Both lots are
still fully conforming in terms of

501
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:30,800
billable area and lot size area and
shoreline and so on. It seems pretty

502
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,560
straightforward to me.
>> Yes, that is correct. Both lots will

503
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:40,319
remain conforming in that area. the lot
area and lot width. Agree. Um

504
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,920
they're just sharing that boundary line
that's very oddly shaped and doesn't

505
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:52,760
allow the s sideel lot area to be
utilized. So I agree. Seems to be pretty

506
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:52,760
simple boundary line adjustment

507
00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,640
and we've already received township
provided a written statement

508
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:03,839
um which says the township will not
require variance for the proposed

509
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:07,200
boundary line adjustment as well. and
the septic on both lots are compliant

510
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:12,400
and will continue to meet the required
property line setbacks. So, anybody

511
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:14,240
prepared for a motion?
>> I can do it.

512
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:20,800
» Go for it.
>> I'll make a motion that we accept

513
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:25,040
variance application 45V-26
and accept the staff's findings of fact.

514
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:30,480
» Okay. Have a motion by Ken to approve
the application 45V-26 as presented and

515
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:34,319
adopt the staff's findings of facts. Do
I have a second?

516
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,520
This is Larry. I'll second.
>> And a second by Larry. Timothy, how do

517
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,000
you vote?
>> This is Timothy, I vote I.

518
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920
» Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.

519
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,920
» Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.

520
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,800
» Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.

521
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,960
» And this is Veronica. I vote I. The
application has been approved. You'll be

522
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:56,920
receiving a decision letter from the
environmental services on the next

523
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,920
steps. Okay. Thanks so much.

524
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Okay, next item on the agenda, variance
application 46-B26

525
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,440
by Jessica
Deck.

526
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Part of government lot 6, section 4,
township 139, range 33, Crow Wing Lake

527
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Township on fourth Crowing Lake, a
natural environment lake, parcel

528
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,880
06.04.01330.

529
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:31,200
The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 704.1 C of the shoreland

530
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:35,359
management ordinance to make a lot not
created compliant with the official

531
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:40,160
controls in effect at the time into an
improved lot. And we have the authorized

532
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,440
agent
um from Racer Construction here. Go

533
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:47,440
ahead, state your name and address for
the record, please.

534
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:51,680
» Jod Elani, Racer Construction, 200 or
26299

535
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Eagle Bay Avenue, Osage, Minnesota.
>> Perfect. Thank you, Jody. can go ahead

536
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,640
and just give us a quick rundown on the
request, please.

537
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:06,160
» The request that people would like to
build a a small house and put a garage

538
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:12,839
on a on a lot that uh all the sizes they
had there actually I thought fit very

539
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,839
well. Um

540
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:21,520
that's about where we're at.
All right. Yep. So, the lot was created

541
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:27,599
in 2002. did not comply with the rear
lot line width requirement at that time.

542
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Um, could be no less than 50% of the 200
foot minimum lot width because it had no

543
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:36,960
rear lot line, I guess. Um, let's see.
We have the septic design in there for

544
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:43,480
the three-bedroom house. And we have an
alternate site that you showed us as

545
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,480
well. Got everything staked out.

546
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:51,599
So, I'm going to go ahead and open for
public comment.

547
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,839
Seeing none, I'm going to close public
comment. Do I have any questions from

548
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:01,760
the board members?
>> I just have a comment, I guess. Um, I

549
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:06,960
would ask that the paperwork be sent in
to memorialize an alternate site.

550
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,720
» Okay,
>> I'd [clears throat] be in favor of it,

551
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,720
but
>> that'd be great. Yeah,

552
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:16,960
» I'd have u paperwork sent in the
environmental services to

553
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:20,160
» I didn't have one didn't I didn't have
one on the design paperwork Tim

554
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,599
» I didn't see it but
>> okay

555
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:30,880
» it might be there if it is then you got
it done maybe it is in there

556
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:33,680
» let's see I put it in there
soils are there

557
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,000
» looks like soil
>> yep I just didn't draw it in right to

558
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:39,839
the top right above that one
>> just to Mark the spot.

559
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,880
» Yep.
>> Y

560
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:45,920
» can do that. I can stop by environmental
services office next week and do that.

561
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,440
» Perfect. Okay.
>> All right. Any other questions or

562
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,800
comments?
>> I I knew during public or during the

563
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:57,920
lobby, you showed us where it was at.
So, yeah, if you could just get that on

564
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,640
there for us, that'd be great.
>> Yeah. Tim asked when we were out there

565
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:05,520
where it was.
>> Yep.

566
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:09,680
» And the soils were verified when we were
>> Yeah. So,

567
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:24,280
Let's see
there we do have staff also commented

568
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,280
that if the condition that

569
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:31,319
can de that only be submitted per this
site plan sketch.

570
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:44,240
My only comment to this is that this lot
uh you know meets the 200 feet shoreline

571
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:50,640
for a natural environment lake. It meets
the 150 ft setback. It's just a very odd

572
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:55,520
shape uh triangle shape at the back that
makes it nonconforming

573
00:46:52,960 --> 00:47:00,960
uh and doesn't meet that 80,000 square
ft. But otherwise it's given the heavy

574
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:05,040
vegetation and so on, it seems like a
very reasonable lot.

575
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:08,319
Veronica.
>> Yes, sir.

576
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:12,319
» Can we had stake that to where the front
of the garage and the front of the house

577
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,280
were even?
>> Is that going to make a difference?

578
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:20,319
» Is it very much different than the site
plan? This

579
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,839
» uh it's setting about the same place as
just the front of the house and the

580
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,880
front of the garage. We staked them to
where they were even.

581
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:32,319
» I think the main concern would be just
the sizing. Was that correct, Eric? Or

582
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,720
just on your staff report? That's the
main

583
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,520
» the main intent. Yeah. Just so we don't
get a

584
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:41,040
» Okay. Yeah. Because we slid it back to
give them so they wouldn't go down the

585
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,240
hill and scream through their garage
door on the ice. So

586
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:49,119
» the main thing is just that size
construction part. So

587
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:53,480
okay.
All right. Any other questions or

588
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
comments?

589
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:04,800
It's mainly just to prevent future
and large, you know, massive stuff.

590
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,960
» It's kind of nice to do one where they
aren't trying to fill the whole lot with

591
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:13,319
a house.
>> Exactly. Correct. So, okay.

592
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,160
This is Larry. I2 am supportive and
would move that we accept um variance

593
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,480
application 46V26
and accept staff's findings of facts

594
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:35,520
with the condition that these um
alternative septic site get noted on the

595
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:40,760
plan.
>> And are you going to throw that little

596
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,760
condition in there just for

597
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,000
» the lot can only be developed per the
submitted site plan sketch. Okay.

598
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:57,440
All right. So, I have a motion by Larry
to approve the variance application

599
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:03,920
46-V26
per site plan with the condition that it

600
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:10,319
can be only be developed per the
submitted site plan sketch and having

601
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:14,000
that septic information thrown on there.
>> This is Timothy. I'll second.

602
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,240
» Okay. And a second by Timothy. Timothy,
how do you vote?

603
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,920
» Timothy, I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?

604
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,920
» Larry, I vote I.
>> Ken, how do you vote? This is Kenna vote

605
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,599
I.
>> Mike, can you vote?

606
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:25,680
» Ma vote I.
>> And this is Veronica. I also vote I. The

607
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,640
application has been approved and
decision letters will be sent out. Okay.

608
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,880
» Thank you guys.
>> Thank you voting.

609
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:46,559
Next item on the agenda, variance
application 47-B26

610
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:50,160
by Sunny Shores. Part of government lot
one and government lot two. Part of the

611
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,760
northeast quarter of the southeast
quarter and part of the southwest

612
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:58,800
quarter of the southeast quarter. All in
section 12, Township 140, range 35, Todd

613
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:02,319
Township on Fish Hook Lake, a
recreational development lake parcels

614
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:07,079
27.12.00120.
00120

615
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,079
27.12.00500

616
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,680
27.12.0060

617
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,960
27.12000610

618
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,400
and 27.12000620.

619
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:25,359
The applicant is requesting a variance
from article v section 2011b of the

620
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:30,079
subsurface sewage treatment systems
ordinance which requires that a

621
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:36,000
subsurface sewage treatment system shall
be upgraded to conform and entirely with

622
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:39,599
all requirements of the SSTSO when an
SSTS is disconnected from a building

623
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,040
being replaced and connected to a new
building.

624
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,480
» Thank you for coming to the presenters
table. Could you please state your name

625
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,920
and address for the record?
My name is Paul Danielson. I live

626
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:56,800
[clears throat] at Sunny Shores at
20403, County 1, lot 50. And with me

627
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,960
today is Rick Smith as well. Okay.
>> Uh Rick Smith, Northland Subtic

628
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Maintenance, and I'm the licensed
inspector that worked on it as well as a

629
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,760
licensed service provider.
>> Okay.

630
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:14,880
Thank you.
And go ahead with your proposal, please.

631
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:20,400
» All right. So the variance uh request
that we have before you is uh related to

632
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:26,000
the disconnect of a mobile home and a
new mobile home being brought in. Uh we

633
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:31,520
have 52 uh mobile home units that are in
Sunny Shores and have been in there um

634
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:36,559
since it was started in 1990 and
periodically some of the mobile homes

635
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:42,000
need to be replaced. Um it just so
happened that last year one of our units

636
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:48,160
u we had a death of that member. they
sold it. The person that sold it to came

637
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:53,839
in to get the uh permit for the mobile
home and was notified about this clause

638
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:59,119
that we hadn't previously dealt with of
having to upgrade the septic system uh

639
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:04,079
to current standards. Our septic system
is in compliance right now. And so our

640
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:10,800
request right now is simply that we have
the ability and flexibility to replace a

641
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:17,280
mobile home as long as we don't increase
the number of bedrooms in that unit.

642
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,920
» And how many bedrooms is in the current
unit?

643
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,880
» Two.
>> Currently in lot 29 there are two

644
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,880
bedrooms.

645
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:36,400
But again, I want to make emphasize that
the variance application is not just for

646
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:42,359
lot 29, but for the ability for any of
them to be replaced as long as we're in

647
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,359
uh compliance.

648
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:50,960
» This is Mike. When was the last time you
replaced a unit there?

649
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,960
» I believe the last unit was replaced in
2023.

650
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:05,160
And which one was it? What number?
>> Bear with me for a minute.

651
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,160
» Sure.

652
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:19,520
» Lot 22 was the last one that was
replaced prior to this request.

653
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,040
» During lobby, as you mentioned, four
trailers were swapped out over the 10

654
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:29,359
years. And so that was number 28, number
50, and number 22. What's the last one?

655
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:38,559
» Can you repeat those numbers to me?
>> Number 28. Number 50. Number 22.

656
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:42,000
And there's one more.
>> Number nine.

657
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,480
» Number nine.
Those are the only ones in the last 10

658
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,000
years.
>> My memory is not that good that I can

659
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:52,040
emphatically say that, but I believe
that is approximately correct.

660
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:05,280
When those changed, did bedroom numbers,
occupancies change,

661
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:09,359
bedrooms increase?
>> I know in at least one of those cases,

662
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:15,000
yes.
I am the owner of lot 50. I do know that

663
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:15,000
one did not change.

664
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:25,040
» Have you seen the This is Tim speaking.
And have you seen the plan of the one

665
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:28,960
that's exchanging with 29 the new one?
>> I have.

666
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:35,760
» So is it just the two bedrooms or is
there a twobedroom and a hobby room?

667
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:42,800
» So there so the request that came in
from lot 29 to us was to put So when we

668
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:46,240
started this discussion it was that we
have typically looked at these things

669
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:52,079
from a size perspective. How much room
do we have on the property to be able to

670
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:58,000
put it in? And in this case, there's a
60 ft trailer there. And we had based on

671
00:54:55,359 --> 00:55:05,040
room had said we could go up to 70 ft.
Typically, a 70ft unit is two bedrooms,

672
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:12,319
two bath. Um his request was for a
three-bedroom, two bath and a full 70

673
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:17,680
foot end to end. We came back and said,
"No, we understand the issue. we now are

674
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:21,599
dealing with with the ordinance and with
the potential for a septic system. And

675
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:26,160
we said, "No, we're only going to accept
two bedrooms." The plan currently has

676
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:30,599
put in front of us is two bedrooms with
a den space in there.

677
00:55:36,608 --> 00:55:42,800
[sighs]
Public comment.

678
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,520
» I'll open for public comment at this
time.

679
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:54,000
Seeing none, I'll close public comment.
>> So, this is Tim speaking. I I u I I

680
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:59,280
don't have a problem with the 29 either,
but I'm not in favor of just a blanket

681
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:06,400
open permission for you guys to handle
it only because of just what you're

682
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:15,280
talking about that that den cuz I think
um going through us, we'd look at a plan

683
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:20,548
of a place and say yes or no and
when it walks like a duck, it talks like

684
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,548
a duck and [laughter]

685
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:30,000
So,
I'm in favor of the the application, but

686
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,799
not the blanket permission to put in an
exchange when they want.

687
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:43,119
And your
your

688
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:47,040
recommendation is they could replace the
current one but with two bedrooms, not

689
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,559
three. Okay.
>> No, I wouldn't put No.

690
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,119
One for one, right?
>> So for only this one,

691
00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,559
» right?
>> Right. And then how do you

692
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:06,160
» I would think that if you would have to
come each time for a variance, right, to

693
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:10,319
exchange it and then we'd look and we'd
look at the plan that was supplied by

694
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:15,200
whoever's going to sell it and they'd
show that they have a garbage disposal

695
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:20,000
or if they have
>> two bedrooms and two hobby rooms. And

696
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,880
then we make our decision whether we let
it go or not.

697
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:27,119
» And if the septic is compliant and if
they're maintaining, he mentioned that

698
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:30,240
they have their new uh digital
>> Yep.

699
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:34,160
» um metering and keeping up with your
digital metering. That would be easy to

700
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,799
prove if they're compliant.
>> Sure.

701
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:41,040
» And when they would be easy to move
forward if it's all

702
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:44,040
» handy dandy. Yeah.
>> Agreed.

703
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:50,240
This is Larry. From what I'm hearing,
and it makes sense, what's the

704
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:53,720
contingency to make sure the den doesn't
become a bedroom?

705
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,720
» Well, one of the recommendations that we
uh I had discussed with Eric is that we

706
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:06,160
could, for an instance, have the
applicant sign an affidavit that they

707
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:10,480
will keep it that way. I am the
applicant for Sunny Shores. I'm also the

708
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:16,160
president of Sunny Shores. I'm not the
owner of lot 29, but I mean just in to

709
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:21,680
show our good faith in this, they came
forward with the three-bedroom and we

710
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:27,119
made the difficult decision to say no,
>> we're instead willing to self-p police

711
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:32,400
ourselves because we have 52 owners that
we represent and as a board I have a

712
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:37,520
responsibility to all 52 of those. So,
while what

713
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:42,720
um you have said is they could turn it
into whatever they like,

714
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:47,839
we know when construction is going on
out there. It's not like you can hide

715
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:51,760
somebody's got 2x4s out there. Um to be
able to turn it into a room. I mean, I

716
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:57,200
think we feel like we do a very good job
of of self-p policing. We have a seven

717
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:03,359
member board uh that oversees that. I
have three of my other board members

718
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:07,440
with me today and you know things come
up and you know as an example and I was

719
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:12,400
sharing this with Eric the other day. We
just had a resident that passed away.

720
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:19,520
That resident's unit likely is going to
go up for sale and that unit likely is

721
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:23,760
not in terrific shape and may need to be
upgraded. So

722
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:31,119
that puts a lot of burden on us as Sunny
Shores to have to come forward with a

723
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:35,680
variance when it's really lot X's issue
>> to deal with. So you know I think

724
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:40,079
there's ways every unit has to come in
to get a permit. Every permit is going

725
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:45,520
to have a plan is going to show the
number of bedrooms that are out there.

726
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:50,799
So there is a way already set up to be
able to do that. everyone needs a new,

727
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:54,880
you know, foundation footings for their
trailer. That is a permitting process.

728
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:00,559
So, we feel like the processes are
already in place to do it. The the key

729
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:07,040
piece of this is to make sure that we as
a um Sunny Shores stay in septic

730
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:11,920
compliance. We have a lot writing on
that. So, we sure don't want to put

731
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:17,359
ourselves in a position that somebody
decides that they want to add change

732
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:21,359
their den into a bedroom simply to fake
you out. They're faking us out as well

733
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:26,559
and they're going to pay the price for
that because they're 152nd owner of the

734
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,760
park as well. So, correct.
>> We have a lot of incentive to follow the

735
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:34,480
rules, I guess, is my point.
>> Right. And I appreciate you realizing

736
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:38,720
that and taking the initiative to say
negative. we have to watch out for

737
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,960
everybody and so you know two is what we
should have two is what it was there and

738
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:50,319
for everybody's s sake and our septic's
sake so I appreciate that so yeah I

739
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:56,880
agree with our our board members here
and Tim going with your suggestion

740
01:00:54,799 --> 01:01:02,400
» any other questions or comments
>> no I understand I understand what he's

741
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:07,040
saying there too um
>> but I think the way that we're

742
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:11,119
discussing It seems the same way. I
mean,

743
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:14,640
» yeah. Um, there is there is a negative
part that somebody would have to come

744
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:18,720
for a variance, but um,
>> but I think down the road that's part of

745
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,960
the sunny shores. I mean, no different
than most likely one of them would have

746
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:26,640
to pay for the permit. If when one
person wants to replace their thing,

747
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,559
they should that's their business, but
they could also have their each

748
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,760
applicant pay for the variance. You
know, that's just part of it, not the

749
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,640
company. The challenge of that though is
you know in this case Sunny Shores did

750
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:43,839
pay
>> for this variance and Sunny Shores did

751
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:49,920
pay for Northland to make sure that we
had a compliance system in place. So the

752
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,559
» I meant the number whoever's unit is
should have to be that responsibilities

753
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,960
not
>> I I understand that piece but the the

754
01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:03,599
compliance piece goes along with it. The
digital meter was installed for

755
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,400
» all benefit of all 52 residents and to
see if more of that

756
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:12,400
» everywhere
>> more of that documentation, you know, in

757
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:17,839
the future of the use and it may be just
fine, but I

758
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:22,480
» for sizing on that system um the gallons
per day and

759
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:25,760
» we would be more than open to share our
data on a

760
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:28,799
regular basis.
>> Absolutely.

761
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:32,960
» With the county if that is an a
condition that you'd want to put on us.

762
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,640
Alls we're trying to strive for is to
make sure that we have some level of

763
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:41,599
flexibility so that we're not coming in
for a variance every single time that we

764
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:48,000
have a mobile home that needs to be
swapped out. And if the only issue is is

765
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:51,599
our person cheating on the number of
bedrooms,

766
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:54,640
we can sure work with them to make sure
that we keep that.

767
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:58,319
» Okay. Well,
>> as part of our permitting process as

768
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:02,400
well, because all of our residents do
need to get a permit before they can

769
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:06,240
even come to the county to get their
permit.

770
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:11,680
» Okay. Just for clarity, you've replaced
four units in the last 10 years and

771
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,280
you've only come for one variance
because you hadn't been caught.

772
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,520
» Okay.
>> So, just to be clear though,

773
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:24,480
» the person the person that came forward
was never told that we needed to do

774
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,240
anything with It's not like you've had
to have a bunch of variances though.

775
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:33,680
Just I'm just putting that for clarity.
You've only had to pay for one variance.

776
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:38,319
» Yeah. And this again, our issue is not
price. It's responsibility of who's who

777
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:44,000
who's it on.
>> Well, I don't know how my comrades here

778
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:50,000
feel, but I'm sticking to where I'm at.
>> That's just the way I feel about it. So,

779
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:55,280
» this is Larry. Think some of the concern
is that again the digital metering and

780
01:03:52,720 --> 01:04:00,079
stuff is new and I if when the next
variance comes up we could again look at

781
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:05,520
at that point saying yes this
information is all legit and we can

782
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,480
track it. We could at that point say you
no longer need a variance for each

783
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:12,240
individual unit. But I think
>> can be amended if request amended if

784
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:16,319
that is correct.
>> But I think to make sure that we get

785
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:21,039
this information and and it is where we
all think it is. I think it would be

786
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,760
good to take this one as a one and then
look at it the next time.

787
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,160
» Absolutely.
>> Sounds great.

788
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:51,039
If there's concern about the the
accuracy of the water meter readings and

789
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:55,839
the detail that can be provided uh that
the daily data is automatically

790
01:04:53,119 --> 01:05:01,039
collected. So, we're not up to the human
error mistakes that have been put in

791
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:05,119
place in the past where people promised
that they would give you a daily reading

792
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,760
and and I've been down that road more
times than I can count. And so, with

793
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:15,920
this particular meter that's in there
right now, it hooks up to my laptop.

794
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:23,359
It'll give me, I believe, 410 days of
accuracy. And so, there's no adjustments

795
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:28,720
there. It just is what it is. And so
that that information is and will

796
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:32,079
continue to be available. So it is the
most accurate thing I've ever seen. So

797
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:38,079
» that's great. And so they'll always be
backed up. So anytime I I think that for

798
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:41,680
environmental services, um they would
probably just like to see that at the

799
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:45,119
end of each season, you know, just
submit that to the environmental

800
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:48,799
services and just have it in your file.
That would just be handy. I would just

801
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,359
put that on your checklist to do at the
end of the season and that way it's

802
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:56,079
always in the file and they can always
review it. That would just be one less

803
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:59,079
thing, you know, one more thing to mark
off.

804
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:13,920
» Anyone prepared for a motion?
I'll make a motion to approve the U

805
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:20,319
29 to be exchanged and and uh not allow
the blanket approve and I'll adopt the

806
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,319
staff's findings.
>> Okay.

807
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:34,079
and the condition on
the compliant life on the existing SSTS

808
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:40,559
and have that current compliance
inspection report on file.

809
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:46,839
Basically, there's
the last couple sentences on the staff

810
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:46,839
report.

811
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:54,400
Only valid for the compliant life of the
existing SSTS. The association must

812
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,520
always have a current compliance
inspection report on

813
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:03,160
» Yes. I'll add the conditions of the
staff's

814
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,160
report.

815
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:08,880
» Do we want to strike the occupancy
though because you did express

816
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,680
» chair
>> the challenge of getting that?

817
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:16,520
» Yeah.
>> Okay, we can do that.

818
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:34,400
Okay. All right. Right. So I have a
motion by Timothy to approve the

819
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:39,079
application for
lot number 29 to be replaced

820
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:50,000
unit for unit not the blanket perians
application and with the conditions

821
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:54,160
stated and adopting the staff's findings
of facts.

822
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:57,760
» Mr. Larry I'll second that
>> and a second by Larry. Timothy. How do

823
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:00,720
you vote?
>> Timothy, I vote I.

824
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:03,039
» Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.

825
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,680
» Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.

826
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,119
» Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.

827
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:13,359
» And this is Veronica. I also vote I. The
application has been approved. You'll

828
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,960
receive a decision letter in the mail
from the environmental services office

829
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:21,960
for the next steps. Okay. Thank you
much.

830
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:36,480
Next item on the agenda, variance
application 48-B-26

831
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:42,560
by Mark and Beth Olsen. Lot three, block
B, first addition to Pine Haven Beach,

832
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:45,759
section 18, Township 140, Range 34,
Hubard Township on Long Lake, a

833
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:49,640
recreational [clears throat] development
lake, parcel 14.38.4500.

834
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:57,520
The applicants are requesting a variance
from section 702A3 of the shoreland

835
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,440
management ordinance for proposed
replacement and enlargement of a

836
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:06,000
non-conforming dwelling located in the
shore impact zone. Could you please

837
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:10,000
state your name and address for the
record?

838
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:15,199
» Uh Mark Olsen. Um and I live in
Columbus, Nebraska.

839
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:19,080
» Okay.
And your address, sir?

840
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:24,960
and Nebraska. Your address
>> or

841
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,440
» 31. We just moved.
>> 316616th

842
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,120
Avenue.
>> Thanks, dear.

843
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,799
» Perfect.
>> Okay.

844
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:36,000
» And you can go ahead and state yours,
too, please.

845
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:39,120
» My name is Beth Olsson. I live at
316616th

846
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:40,640
Avenue in Columbus, Nebraska.
>> Okay. Thank you.

847
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,279
» Thanks.
>> All right. And one more in the middle

848
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:48,560
there. Go for it.
>> I'm Barry Mson. I'm the contractor agent

849
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:51,839
» and I'm at 20413 Hunter Road
>> Park Rapids.

850
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:57,199
» Okay. Thank you. And go ahead for your
request, please.

851
01:09:53,839 --> 01:10:01,040
» Um, as you see on the the picture you
guys look that the highlighted part,

852
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:06,800
that's the old part of the building that
uh we looked at last week and we're

853
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:15,800
proposing that we take that down uh put
new foundation under it and reconstruct

854
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:15,800
it right on the right as it is. Right.

855
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:30,480
Okay. I'm going to go ahead and open for
public comment.

856
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:35,360
And just for the record, and seeing
none, I'm going to close public comment.

857
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:40,280
And
do I have any questions or comments from

858
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,280
the board?

859
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:50,159
You're you're not changing any of the
living arrangements

860
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,600
um in what you're doing.
>> No.

861
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:56,159
» What?
>> The way it's laid out currently is is

862
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:58,640
the same as the the new plan
>> bedroom and then the living room.

863
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,640
» Yeah. That big room with that little
bedroom on the side. Yeah.

864
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,000
» Um
>> it's the same.

865
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:10,880
» So why are you doing this then? What's
what's driving doing this? the the the

866
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:14,880
foundation of the other one has for
years from the upper lot that we were

867
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:20,560
looking at water had came under. The
foundation is corrupted. Uh the floor is

868
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:25,600
from all the humidity is rotting. So
it's it's up and down. One side is about

869
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:31,120
6 in lower. The side that would be
towards that little bedroom is about 6

870
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:36,400
in lower. And we knew that when we were
working on that back part for in

871
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:42,880
whenever it was I don't 2021 22. So the
actual foundation on around the outside

872
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:46,560
is is decaying or or
>> I think a lot of the joist work

873
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,360
underneath the underneath of it
>> just from the humidity that's it's

874
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:52,560
exposed to humidity
>> just the joist you can't just replace

875
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:55,920
the joistices
>> or do you have to

876
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:01,199
» well the the to eliminate pro well we
like the inf flooror heat and um so we

877
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:06,000
did the in flooror hydronic heat in that
back part so we can use our same boiler

878
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,400
do hydronic into the to the new part,
too. And

879
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,840
» you're not gonna have a basement at all,
then it's gonna be

880
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:17,840
» No, but just just a a simple foundation
supporting a a slab with heat in it. And

881
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:20,400
and we put foam under that, too. But um
and then the house just goes up just as

882
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:24,960
it is.
>> One of the things that [clears throat]

883
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:31,920
um sort of drives the constraints on
this is the closeness to the lake or at

884
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:36,080
least that finger of the lake. Um that
wood fence, is that the property line

885
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:42,080
that's there?
Who who maintains

886
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:46,080
then the neighbors property between that
fence and the pond?

887
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:49,040
» The people across the street that own
it.

888
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,960
» The people across the street that own
that little area, that's how they just

889
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,520
get down to their like they have a
little golf cart they drive down there,

890
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:00,560
but they mow it.
>> They mow it.

891
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:07,199
» Uhhuh. Is there any way to um get them
to set that into a no mo zone that they

892
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:13,360
allow it to grow up such that that
runoff cuz all the runoff from your

893
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:18,800
house runs right into the lake and
there's nothing buffering it at all. Is

894
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:24,960
there any way to uh convince your
neighbor to just not mow it?

895
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:29,840
» Let it grow up and and then it it pre it
slows down the runoff. Some of that was

896
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:34,560
when it was longer was
>> well that's right right at the edge but

897
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:39,360
that most of the distance from the fence
>> to the shoreline except for a very small

898
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:42,080
amount is mowed. It was mowed just like
the rest of the

899
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,719
» Yeah, I saw that there's that trail. Is
that the trail they use coming down?

900
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:49,840
There's a trail on the end. I [laughter]
saw that they had mowed that. Um, but

901
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:54,880
you know, we get the runoff
which is has been forever and I showed

902
01:13:51,760 --> 01:14:00,480
you guys that video um of all the water
coming down in a big rain event

903
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:03,280
» and it it's always come down the hill
and so they're trying to diffuse it.

904
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,760
» That was a problem. Beth and the
neighbor tried to

905
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,880
» four years ago when you when you did
that addition.

906
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:13,120
» Well, the neighbors that used to be my
parents' cabin right next to us that the

907
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:17,360
one that was next to that was my parents
cabin for years. So, we have a lot of

908
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:21,840
pictures, photos, and we we they had it
for I don't know 15 years. When they

909
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:27,280
redid that cabin, they raised the dirt
up a lot, and that's because we had the

910
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:31,840
their little shed there used to be level
with our shed and down further. So, when

911
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:37,600
they came in, they brought a ton of dirt
and brought that and raised it a bunch.

912
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:42,159
And then we had a river like it washed
our grass, it washed everything out.

913
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:48,800
Trees washed out. It was terrible. And
so we put that flower box backs up just

914
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:54,880
because of that. So I don't know when
they raised that then the water ran

915
01:14:51,520 --> 01:15:00,480
gushed down ours and then into the, you
know, in front and then down into that

916
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:04,560
slooh area. So that presented a big
problem. It washed out the back of our

917
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:08,320
cabin in the back door. Well, what it's
been replaced now, but before it was

918
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,199
replaced, it washed out all underneath
there. And then since then we've had all

919
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:18,800
this settling like our like you said our
floor is like crooked and um we had it

920
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:22,000
was just like bricks or something
underneath there really and so it washed

921
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,440
all that out underneath the deck. It
went out and took all that out. We've

922
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:29,120
replaced a bunch of trees and and
whatnot that they you know that washed

923
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:31,760
it ruined them. I mean it ruined our
yard. We had to bring in we had to bring

924
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:36,880
in grass and
>> that's not to point. The point is

925
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:41,840
since we're now doing an additional
construction

926
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:47,760
uh when you're within the shore impact
zone, I'm just trying to explore the

927
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,600
fact is could something be done to
increase the buffer

928
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,600
» Yeah.
>> of that water that's coming from

929
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:57,679
wherever beside you from your house or
up the hill.

930
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:02,800
» Is there any way to convince your
neighbor to do not mow that and to use

931
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:08,000
it as a buffer zone?
Maybe I I guess I I could ask them. They

932
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:12,239
weren't up here this summer because
she's fell and they they weren't up

933
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,920
there this summer. So, it didn't get
mowed very much at all this summer. Um

934
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:20,480
because they weren't here and we didn't
mow it. I mean, I could certainly ask

935
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:24,800
them or we could do something whatever.
I mean, you would suggest

936
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:27,440
if it would be like a some sort of
landscaping.

937
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:31,920
» I would encourage you.
>> I mean, I I can sure ask like say they

938
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:35,520
were not able to come up all summer. So
there was very little activity that went

939
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,960
on over there this year.
>> Yeah, it was mowed pretty short when we

940
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:43,040
were there the other day.
>> Their kids were up there for two weeks

941
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:47,760
and so yes, I'm not saying it wasn't
mowed. It it certainly could have been,

942
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,480
but um I know they haven't been here.
>> Okay.

943
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:54,080
» I mean, I don't know if there's a
landscaping thing we could do. We

944
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:58,320
definitely would be willing to do that.
>> The house is guttered and we can but

945
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,199
what do you do with it? So we try
because it's all going to go that way.

946
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:05,520
So, like you say, I bet the only thing
that could happen was if we could leave

947
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,840
that grow up a little bit so so that
vegetation would catch the water and

948
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:12,320
diffuse it.
>> Yeah.

949
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,400
» Or maybe just on [clears throat]
>> your on our property if we'd let it grow

950
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,840
up
>> on the uphill side of the fence. You

951
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:20,800
guys could let yours go.
>> Sure.

952
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:23,760
» Yeah.
>> No, that's a great idea. I mean, we're

953
01:17:22,693 --> 01:17:26,719
[clears throat] we would be willing to
do it. I mean, I could ask them, but I

954
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,719
certainly couldn't guarantee they'd do
it. But we could do it.

955
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,760
» Sure.
>> Okay. Any other comments from the board

956
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:36,400
members?
>> This is Mike. Uh on your elevations and

957
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:39,360
floor plans, you don't show any deck
going back on.

958
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:45,360
» I didn't. And I had uh Eric had said
that when we were out there and so we we

959
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:50,719
want I was going to take the deck off to
do the the foundation and stuff and uh

960
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:55,199
Mark was going to rebuild it. And so I
was questioning on that uphill side

961
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:59,120
where the where the door is if we could
build a sidewalk down with a curb and

962
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:02,880
try to keep that water from getting to
the house and just curb it all the way

963
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:07,600
down so we can get it out in the yard.
So then we would just build that uh all

964
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:12,080
the way out to the front of the deck and
support the deck off of it. Keep the

965
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:15,840
water from getting where it's currently
going under. Get it forward out forward

966
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:20,159
to the deck more. And with the grass
that's on the lawn, most of the in the

967
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:24,000
the planter that uh Beth and the
neighbor lady had done, that kind of

968
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:28,080
diffuses some of that water anyway, so
the grass isn't getting all corrupted

969
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:31,920
and washed out and stuff. So, it's the
grass is holding it. And so, it is

970
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:35,840
holding, but it would be nice to keep it
from getting to the house. And so,

971
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:41,840
that's why I was suggesting that we
could maybe do that. And I I can redraw

972
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:43,840
that with the the with that on.
>> The deck's not getting any larger, is

973
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,040
it?
>> What's that? The deck's not getting

974
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,520
» No, no. Huh. It's It would stay the
same.

975
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,920
» It's on the existing [clears throat]
footprint.

976
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,920
» Well, and when we were in because we
talked about that with Demi when we were

977
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:58,960
in and she said that little notch out
that was on that one side. She said,

978
01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:03,600
"Why? Why'd you do that?" And that was a
a previous thing uh that they were told

979
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:06,239
they had to do. She said that's not
necessary. So, so we'd probably just

980
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,960
square it
>> right

981
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,520
» over there because that was, you know,
that little four or six inch

982
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:19,159
» notch in for that last 8 ft. We just
square that up.

983
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:19,159
» And we'd use the same railing.

984
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,280
» Okay. Any other questions or comments?

985
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:31,600
» Have you done public comment yet?
>> Yes, sir.

986
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:37,040
» Okay. I I have a couple more questions.
you're when we approved the variance

987
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:44,320
about four years ago for you to add a
storage area to your shed.

988
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:48,400
» Um did you replace all the fixtures in
the um um shower area?

989
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:53,840
» Yeah.
>> You put new sink, new shower,

990
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:57,600
» new stool,
>> etc. There.

991
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,640
» There was like a lot of m mouse junk in
there.

992
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,320
» You did that.
>> And so yeah, we did put in new ones.

993
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:06,000
Uhhuh. I mean, it's they're in the same
spot if that matters. I don't know. But

994
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,880
yes, we did because there was
>> because what I experienced seemed a

995
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:14,239
little different than the drawing that
that we had in 2022. I also noticed

996
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:17,580
there were bedding in there.
>> Uhhuh. There. Well, one of the beds in

997
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:20,239
there is from the bedroom
[clears throat]

998
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:27,280
down in the cabin. We carried it up
there and so one's from there. One is

999
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:32,719
there. And I mean honestly it maybe is
used one week out of every other year. I

1000
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,960
have a son that comes from Tokyo. He
lives in Tokyo and when he comes over he

1001
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:42,320
sleeps up there. Well they sleep up he
and his wife sleep up there because of

1002
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:47,040
the time change. So when they come we
use it but otherwise

1003
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:52,719
we we put our kayaks in there and all
that stuff. I know that that's clearly

1004
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:57,679
in violation of the or the variance we
gave you four years ago that that was

1005
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:02,719
not to be used for any sleeping quarters
at all.

1006
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:09,199
» You're right then. Yep. We probably have
violated that maybe since we've had it

1007
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,760
» two weeks. So yeah, I mean you're right.
It's still wrong. It's we still

1008
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:16,239
shouldn't and we don't need to. We
really put all our kayaks and all that

1009
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:21,199
stuff up there. We've started hauling
that stuff up there. So that's usually

1010
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:24,800
what's in there and then we pull it out
in the summer.

1011
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:29,840
» What I saw there was basically a chair,
some fishing rods and a bed. I didn't

1012
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:34,080
really see much use for much for
storage.

1013
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:38,800
» We've hauled stuff up from our cabin
furniture and cabinets and stuff up

1014
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:42,719
there to store if we're able to redo all
this. So there is stuff up there.

1015
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:48,719
There's a computer up there. There's a
or a desk. There's a um chair. There's

1016
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:53,120
two beds. one belongs in the cabin. And
so there is that stuff up there now

1017
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:58,320
because we've moved stuff from the cabin
out of the cabin up there.

1018
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,239
So we haven't put away our kayaks and
stuff yet. So that all will go in there.

1019
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:07,040
But you're Yeah, I mean you're correct
that is up there, but it is from Well,

1020
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:12,800
the one bed's down there. Otherwise is
from our cabin. But you're correct.

1021
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:16,639
» Okay. It's in violation of the variance
from 2022

1022
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:19,600
» and we can remove the bed. Okay.
>> And the one bed, like I said, will go

1023
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:23,520
back down into the cabin.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1024
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:28,080
» I'm done.
>> Thanks, Ben. Any other questions or

1025
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:36,239
comments? I I will just put on here that
the uh the dwelling is outside of the uh

1026
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:39,600
shore impact zone
from the main body of the Long Lake,

1027
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,440
except for that small bay that we've
discussed. Um the septic on the property

1028
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:48,560
is compliant and located in the rear of
the lot. There is a grinder tank by the

1029
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:54,000
house um that falls under the plumbing
code. So

1030
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:58,639
I think other than that I don't see any
issues with the request. The only thing

1031
01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:03,639
that's changing is that roof line and
they're just trying to kind of even it

1032
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:03,639
up.

1033
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,480
So,

1034
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,679
anyone prepared to make a motion?

1035
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:36,239
This is Larry. I move that we accept
variance application 48V26

1036
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:42,400
and accept staff's findings of facts.
>> Okay. I have a motion by Larry to

1037
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:48,400
approve the application 48-V26
as presented on per site plan and adopt

1038
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:51,560
the staff's findings of facts. Do I have
a second?

1039
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:59,360
» This is Mike. I'll second
>> and a second by Mike.

1040
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,280
Ken, how do you vote? Is it Kim or Ken?
>> Ken.

1041
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:04,239
» It's Ken. I vote I.
>> Timothy, how do you vote?

1042
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,320
» Timothy, I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?

1043
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,239
» Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?

1044
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:13,360
» Mike, I vote I.
>> And this is Veronica. I also vote I.

1045
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:18,159
Your application has been approved.
You'll be receiving a decision letter

1046
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:22,639
from the environmental services office.
And again, thank you very much.

1047
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:25,920
» Will that come to our house that or to
our cabin?

1048
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:30,719
» It's Eric. Is it going to be mailed to
the E911 property address or going to be

1049
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:34,320
to their
>> I don't get our mail very very much. I

1050
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:40,159
think I've gotten one piece there.
>> There's another address on here that

1051
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:43,920
also says uh something wrote Park Rapids
>> would have buried his address. That's

1052
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:47,199
what address was given to us.
>> Yeah, it's going to go on the one that's

1053
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:52,159
on the app variance application.
>> Yeah. Okay. And then can I just ask can

1054
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,040
like do you have a suggestion of what we
should do on that to help with the

1055
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,600
runoff? Like is there some sort of
landscaping type thing that we could do

1056
01:24:56,719 --> 01:25:00,400
on our property?
>> The fence and the and the thing just

1057
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,560
don't mow it.
>> Okay. But

1058
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:05,360
» just let it grow naturally.
>> Okay. In our

1059
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:10,719
» there's enough good enough soil there
and I looked at the vegetation

1060
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:15,199
» just to let that 5t or 6 feet grow up
naturally. Don't mow it. Okay. Uh, and

1061
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:20,880
if you're getting much coming down from
the hill, no mow up as far as you can.

1062
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,199
That'll be the best thing you can do for
that part of the lake.

1063
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,440
» So, like all the way up, you're
suggesting like, which is fine. All the

1064
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,239
way up.
>> As far as it makes sense. I don't

1065
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:30,800
remember. I didn't look up farther. I
looked right along. But just leave it

1066
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,760
grow.
>> Okay.

1067
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:36,000
» Okay.
>> So, it's okay if we do it on our side if

1068
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:38,880
the neighbors don't want to. As long as
we do

1069
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:43,520
» I don't I wouldn't worry about your side
of the fence. It's that five or six feet

1070
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:47,679
that's on that side would be a good
buffer to to think. Yes.

1071
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:51,199
» All right. And if they don't, we should
we just go ahead and do it then. Let it

1072
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:54,800
grow. If they don't want to do that,
it's okay if we just let it grow.

1073
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,960
» I mean, I'm fine with
>> Well, you can let yours grow, too, if

1074
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:01,280
you want. Yeah,
>> that's fine. I'll ask. And throw

1075
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:05,760
mattress covers on those mattresses and
throw those beds sideways. Okay.

1076
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,600
» Okay. Well, like I said, one of those
moved down, so

1077
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,284
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1078
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:13,520
» Thank you. Thanks. Thanks.
[snorts]

1079
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:17,159
» All right. And so next items,
miscellaneous communications.

1080
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:26,080
» Uh let's see. [clears throat]
Relative to the ordinance amendments. I

1081
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:33,440
brought those to the county board and
they were open to the plat process

1082
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:39,520
change, but they changed their mind on
the conditional use process change. So

1083
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:44,800
they directed me to bring that back to
you and that'll be on next month's

1084
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:51,199
agenda to review the draft which is
basically the same other than having the

1085
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:56,719
cup process modifications
and that will need your approval and the

1086
01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:04,000
draft I'll then bring back to the board
and we'll see where things go. Um

1087
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:07,679
so that's one item. The other would be
we've got an ordinance amendment

1088
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:13,679
application
uh asking the county to consider

1089
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:18,960
commercial business use being allowed on
recreational development lakes.

1090
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:26,159
Uh we've got a conditional use permit
application amendment request and then I

1091
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:31,600
think three variances so far and the
deadline is next Monday. So we could

1092
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:37,120
very well get more between now and then
but that's what we have. Thus far,

1093
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:40,120
that's what I've got.
>> Okay.

1094
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:48,400
» This is Veronica. Did you ever put the
um subdivisions, the minor subdivisions

1095
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:54,480
or no, the uh the other subdivisions
that we talked about

1096
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:56,080
on on that uh amendment for them
>> for you?

1097
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,960
» The minors.
>> Yeah.

1098
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,960
» No, but if you want to
>> I mean, I didn't know if you wanted to

1099
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,960
throw that in there while we're doing
it. If you want to suggest that, we can

1100
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:09,760
float the balloon and see.
>> I mean, I I am open to it. I mean, like

1101
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:13,280
I said, Eric carries most of the weight
on that anyhow. I mean, all we do is

1102
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:17,520
» rubber.
>> Exactly. So, [clears throat]

1103
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:22,480
» so I think that's a great idea if you're
open to it. I'm open to it.

1104
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:28,239
» Yeah. It doesn't matter to me.
>> So, I think so. Yeah. Agreed. that would

1105
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:33,199
be added next month on the discussion on
the whole proposal.

1106
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:36,800
» If you want to add that, you can.
>> Yeah, I mean it's be done at the same

1107
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,800
time. That's the [clears throat] only
reason I was suggesting throwing it on

1108
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,880
there.
>> The planning commission can always

1109
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:49,199
suggest ordinance amendments to the
board. So if it comes from the

1110
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:52,239
commission then I can say during
conversation that came up and

1111
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,920
» right
>> was an additional

1112
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:59,600
» item that was proposed.
>> Yeah.

1113
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:04,600
» Okay.
All right. Are we ready to adjurnn?

1114
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,600
» Okay.

1115
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:10,719
» This is Larry. I move we adjurnn.
>> Okay. Motion by Larry to adjurnn.

1116
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,280
» Ken I'll second it.
>> Second by Carrie. Ken. Larry. Caddyy

1117
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,440
vote.
>> Miss Larry, I vote I.

1118
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,400
» Ken Hetty vote.
>> I vote I.

1119
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,800
» Timothy vote.
>> Tim votes I.

1120
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:26,360
» Mike. Caddyy vote.
>> Mega vote I.

1121
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:26,360
» And myself. I vote I. Meeting ajourned.

1122
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,360
Get it.