[0:07] around
all the time.
[0:45] » [clears throat]
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First thing on the agenda is the
[5:30] planning commission approval of the
minutes. Approval of the July 27, 2026
[5:35] meeting minutes. Do we have any
questions or comments on the planning
[5:39] commission me minutes?
[5:46] If no comments, questions, or concerns,
I'm open for a motion.
[5:50] » This is Tim at the L. I'll make a motion
to approve the July 27th planning
[5:56] commission meeting minutes.
>> Thank you, Tim. I have a motion by Tim
[6:00] for approval.
>> This is Larry. I'll second that.
[6:03] » And a second by Larry. Larry, how do you
vote?
[6:06] » Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?
[6:08] » Mike, I vote I.
>> Timothy, how do you vote?
[6:10] » Miss Timothy, I vote I. Ken, how do you
vote?
[6:13] » This is Can I vote [clears throat] I?
>> And this is Veronica. I also vote I. The
[6:17] planning commission meeting minutes of
July 27th, 2026 have been approved.
[6:22] Next item up, we have no old business,
so we'll go right on into the
[6:27] board of adjustment. Approval of the
minutes there. If we have no questions
[6:32] or comments on them, I'm open for a
motion.
[6:37] This
>> Larry, I move we adjust the board of
[6:39] adjustment minutes as presented. Okay.
Thank you, Larry. I have a motion by
[6:44] [clears throat] Larry to approve the
July 27th, 2026 board of adjustment
[6:48] meeting minutes. Do I have a second?
>> This is Mike. I'll second.
[6:52] » Okay. And a second by Mike. Larry, how
do you vote?
[6:55] » Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?
[6:57] » Mike, I vote I.
>> Timothy, how do you vote?
[6:59] » Timothy, votes I.
>> Ken, how do you vote?
[7:01] » This is Ken, vote I.
>> Mrs. Brock, I also vote I. The board of
[7:05] adjustment minutes have been approved
for July 27th, 2026 meeting. Moving
[7:11] straight through to the new business
variance application 43-V26
[7:16] by Don Dson-f Fox lot 6 block one and
115th interest in lot a island view
[7:24] section 3 township 139 range 33 Crowing
Township Crowing Lake Township on Island
[7:29] Lake a recreational development lake
parcel 06.51.00600
[7:33] 006000.
The applicant is requesting a variance
[7:37] from section 902.1.b
of the shoreland management ordinance
[7:41] for grading in a steep slope in excess
of the permittable volume. Thank you so
[7:45] much for coming to the presenter's
table. Can you please state your name
[7:49] and address for the record?
>> Yes. Good evening. Uh I'm James Dreon. I
[7:53] am uh the agent for the owner uh who is
here tonight. Um,
[7:58] » Don Dreon Fox,
15103 Choke Cherry Drive.
[8:03] » And Don, you're here tonight as well.
Okay, I am.
[8:06] » Thank you. Don, can you go ahead and
please state your name and address as
[8:09] well?
>> Uh, Don Threes Fox um 15101 Choke
[8:14] Cherry.
>> Thank you, Don. Appreciate that. Okay.
[8:16] And go ahead and continue with your
request, please. Yeah, we're proposing
[8:21] as as we stated a a 30 by 30 uh foot
addition to uh her cabin uh with a
[8:29] smaller uh lower level or walk out
basement level. Um we wanted to uh go
[8:35] down rather than up to, you know, keep
the footprint a little bit smaller. And
[8:40] uh the this the natural contours of the
lot seem to support um a walkout uh
[8:46] basement very nicely. um sands the the
requirement or the restriction on how
[8:53] much volume of soil we can move. So um
we're also proposing a excuse me a
[9:00] threeseason porch on one end and a and a
small small grill deck on the lakeside.
[9:07] » Okay. Thank you so much. In this um
application here, it also states that
[9:12] you're going to be removing the gazebo
and the 10 x10 shed. Is that correct?
[9:17] Yeah, we're still trying to sort the
gazebo as to how we can handle that. Um
[9:23] but yes, it needs to move um to support
the construction. Okay.
[9:32] » And at this time, it appears that your
request is to move approximately 200
[9:37] cubic yards of soil.
>> Yeah, that's the best estimate from our
[9:41] contractor.
>> Okay.
[9:44] Do I have any questions or comments from
the board?
[9:48] » Um, I neglected to ask this, Larry. When
we were out for lot view, is the soil
[9:53] going to leave the premises or are you
putting it elsewhere on site?
[9:57] » Um, that would it you if it needs to
stay on site, we certainly can keep it
[10:02] on site. Um I don't know that that had
been completely determined but uh yeah
[10:08] there is there is spots to put it um on
the site because as you recall we have
[10:13] quite a bit of land to the
um to the south.
[10:18] » Okay.
>> I guess the question would be are you
[10:23] going to use it any fill of it anywhere
else around the house of you know not at
[10:27] all just Okay. No, we've got a it's
pretty level where the c the one cabin
[10:32] the existing cabin is.
[10:38] » Any other questions or comments?
>> This is Ken. Um obviously the shape of
[10:43] your contour
um storm water runoff is a concern. Um
[10:50] um I would at least like to make sure
that the house is has properly installed
[10:56] gutters and all storm water is directed
down to the west to that low area of
[11:03] your property uh and not allowed to run
towards the lake. That would be a
[11:08] condition uh for me to be willing to
consider this.
[11:13] » Yeah. And we've got we're proposing
gutters on on the addition. And as you
[11:17] noted noted, we have do have the gutters
on the on the cabin, the existing cabin.
[11:21] » I just want to make sure that the
addition would uh ensure that that water
[11:26] does down to the left there.
>> Yeah, there's a natural swale there that
[11:31] » and a low area basin to catch it. Yes.
Thank you.
[11:34] » Yep. That's that's the intent is to
manage the storm water in that way.
[11:39] Okay.
>> Okay. I'm going to at this time I'm
[11:41] going to go ahead and open for public
comment.
[11:47] And seeing none, I'm going to close
public comment.
[11:51] Uh during the lot views, I did notice
that uh the lakeside is very well
[11:56] vegetated. I don't see I appreciate that
too. It's I did note that. So there's a
[12:03] lot of screening for this proposal.
Um,
[12:08] it's not getting any closer to the lake.
I do, it's still on the It's not
[12:13] encroaching any closer.
>> Um, I do like Ken's proposal as far as
[12:20] the condition, even though you talked
about the the guttering, but I would
[12:23] like to put that condition on there,
too, that this guttering be installed to
[12:27] direct that storm water away from the
lake. I also would like to put on there,
[12:31] even though you have in your application
that you're going to remove the shed and
[12:34] the gazebo, but the lake um the 10x10
shed and the gazebo must be removed from
[12:42] the property prior to your land use
permit being obtained.
[12:46] If you're going to remove those items
anyway, I don't foresee that to be a
[12:49] problem unless you do.
>> We don't have a plan to move on where
[12:54] how we're going to move it or how we're
going to get it out. So, it might not
[12:56] happen before. Are you not I mean are
you not going to do anything this?
[13:00] » It has to be moved back. We just
>> Sure. But I mean this season's almost
[13:04] over for contracting. You're probably
not going to do your permit until next
[13:09] spring anyhow. Is that correct? Or do
you have a plan yet?
[13:12] » Yeah, we're hoping to well pending
tonight's decision. We were hope hoping
[13:17] to start uh in September.
>> I see. To do the ground work then.
[13:22] » Correct.
>> He wants to get it closed off so we can
[13:23] work all win all winter.
>> I see. Yeah,
[13:27] » Ronnie, for my clarification, the the
gazebo there that seems to be
[13:32] an iffy about removing it.
Are we are we going to require that as
[13:39] part of a condition or that at least
must be moved back to 100 ft? What?
[13:44] » Yeah. Well, he just mentioned it during
lot views because they're going to have
[13:48] a screened porch that they were going to
get rid of it or, you know, relocate it.
[13:53] So, I was going to utilize that as a
condition, but um I'm I'm open either
[13:59] way that it can be moved back either to
the 100 foot setback and permitted
[14:05] properly. Um
[14:09] yes, either one for me.
>> I guess I would be okay with that that
[14:15] we're moved back if there's room
>> as opposed to destroying it anyway. So,
[14:20] I don't know how my colleagues feel.
>> Oh, absolutely. I didn't want to see it
[14:23] destroyed. I just wanted to see it
removed from the property with the as he
[14:27] mentioned, he's going to have screened
in porch. That's the only reason.
[14:31] » This is Tim. Uh I've got a question for
Eric. With the leftover after they
[14:36] backfill, if they get this and backfill,
wouldn't they have to remove all that
[14:40] soil off the property?
[14:44] » Unless there's some place that meets
setback and isn't in a steep slope where
[14:49] they could place it. I'm going to guess
if they've got anything left over,
[14:53] they'll probably want to have it taken
off site.
[15:02] » So, so there's only certain spots it can
be.
[15:05] » Yeah.
>> Yep.
[15:09] » The plan was to take it off site, wasn't
it?
[15:11] » Yes.
>> Yep.
[15:20] One other thing that I was questioning,
I don't know how the board members feel,
[15:23] but with this um size of a additions and
the
[15:31] setback from the lake, I was considering
the condition that no further additions
[15:36] just to the residential structure um be
allowed
[15:42] » as a condition.
>> Correct.
[15:45] from a two-bedroom to a fourbedroom and
being 66 feet from the OW.
[16:03] » This is Larry. You might um help me out
if I'm wrong here, but there was no
[16:07] garage on the property. Correct.
>> Right. And this would only be the
[16:09] residential, but that still doesn't mean
they couldn't have an accessory
[16:12] structure possibly, you know.
>> Okay, that's what I wanted to clarify to
[16:15] make sure that we weren't stopping all
that. Okay, very good.
[16:18] » Yep. I considered that. Yep. I
considered that.
[16:21] » That was a goal down.
>> Yep. And that's why Yeah, exactly.
[16:27] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[16:30] Put a motion.
>> Yes, please.
[16:33] » Um I'll try with the conditions. I'll
make a motion that we accept uh variance
[16:39] request 43V26
with three conditions. Uh there will be
[16:46] no future additions to the residential
building will be allowed in the future.
[16:53] Uh that um guttering
uh and water storm water direction will
[17:01] ensure the water goes to the um
low area west of the of the uh structure
[17:10] and that the shed
uh the shed that's to the west of the
[17:16] structure, not up the hill. Um and the
gazebo be removed from the property.
[17:28] I think I picked up on all the
>> so not just moved back 100 feet removed.
[17:33] » Well, I'm since you're getting a
screened in porch. Um I'm making the
[17:38] statement that of completely removal. If
the rest of the colleagues are okay with
[17:45] 100 ft, I agree with that. But it seemed
to be that the contention wasn't as long
[17:50] as with the amount of construction, the
size expansion and and the screened in
[17:55] porch that it was it's not necessary to
be there. So, um I don't know how other
[18:00] people feel.
[18:06] » I'm okay with that if
>> I am too, but maybe a deadline because
[18:09] you can't I mean might have to put a
deadline on it.
[18:12] » Could I ask that we have some time to do
it because
[18:14] » Oh, absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, oh
yeah, you you can add that. Uh, I forgot
[18:19] that.
>> Yeah, I mean, even if we say by next,
[18:22] you know, because I know you're going to
be doing the
[18:25] ground work, but even if we say if the
has to be removed by in one year, that
[18:30] would be this time one year, you know,
within one year. The shed can be removed
[18:35] right away. But the
>> yeah the fourth condition is shed and
[18:39] gazeu need to be
>> um removed with one year from the
[18:44] » from today
>> acceptance the application.
[18:46] » Mhm. Correct.
And then the findings of facts.
[18:51] » Okay. Let me try. Um is the variance in
harmony with the general purposes in 10
[18:56] official controls? Uh construction is at
the side of the structure which
[19:01] maintains this still maintains the
setback from the lake. the conditions
[19:06] for gutters uh other structural removal
um um
[19:13] uh um see removal are consistent with
the official controls.
[19:19] Uh is a property owner proposing to use
a property reasonable manner not
[19:24] permitted by an official control? Yes,
increasing a very small cabin of 720
[19:29] square ft to the approximate 2,000
square ft is a reasonable use.
[19:35] Uh number three is the need for a
variance due to circumstances unique to
[19:40] the property and not created by the
current or property owner. Um the
[19:45] topography is such a soil removal would
required for any construction. Um uh and
[19:52] it is mostly in a steep slope area.
>> Yep. And we can also add that the
[19:56] driveway runs through the southeast
corner providing access to the adjacent
[20:00] lot for that one as well.
>> Yep. We can add that. Good point.
[20:05] Um, will the issuance of the variance
maintain the essential character of the
[20:10] locality? Uh, location is single family
residence with good separation. Uh, and
[20:16] the applica applicant's family owns the
property to the east. So, there's really
[20:21] no change to the character. And number
five, uh, is yes. Does the stated
[20:28] practical difficulty involve more than
just more than just economic
[20:33] consideration? The answer is the econ
economics are not cited in the
[20:37] application is a practical difficulty.
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a motion by Ken
[20:42] to approve the variance application as
stated per the site plan with the
[20:47] conditions that he listed the three
conditions and he produced the findings
[20:53] of facts one through four and adopted
number five. Do I have a second?
[20:58] » This is Larry. A second.
>> And a second by Larry. Timothy, how do
[21:02] you vote?
>> This is Timothy, I vote I.
[21:04] » Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.
[21:06] » Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.
[21:09] » Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.
[21:10] » And this is Veronica, I also vote I. So,
you'll be receiving a decision letter
[21:15] from the Environmental Services Office
on your next steps. Okay.
[21:18] » Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you very much.
[21:26] Next item on the agenda is variance
application 44-v26
[21:30] by John Carter, part of government lot
2, section 35, township 142, range 34,
[21:37] clean clay township on big man trap
lake, a recreational development lake,
[21:41] parcel 04.35.00820.
[21:46] The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 902.1 of the shoreland
[21:50] management ordinance for grading in a
steep slope in excess of permittable
[21:54] volume.
Okay. Thank you, sir. If you could
[21:58] please state your name and address for
the record.
[22:01] » John Carter, 28833 Junipine Park Rapids.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. And please go
[22:07] ahead and state your request for us. So,
I'm looking to create a new access to my
[22:13] property off of Juul. Um, basically a
new driveway. Um,
[22:22] that's what I'm looking to do.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. I'm just going to
[22:26] also read in here. Says the request is
to allow approximately 280 cubic yards
[22:31] of soil to be removed in a steep slope
so that the road approach onto County
[22:36] 104 can be moved. Is that correct?
Uh, I'm going to say yes. I have a
[22:41] little difficulty hearing, but I think
>> I'm sorry. I can Is that a little
[22:44] better?
>> Yeah, that's okay. Yeah.
[22:46] » Um, so I'll read it one more time. The
request is to allow approximately 280
[22:51] cubic yards of soil to be moved in a
steep slope so that the road approach on
[22:55] the county 104 can be moved. Is that
correct?
[22:58] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[23:00] Um
[23:03] and it says the approach is for the
Juniper Drive which is a private road
[23:06] that has five properties using it for
access. These five properties have
[23:10] easement over the current location of
Juniper or Junipine Drive which runs
[23:15] into front of the house the applicant
constructed on the lot roughly three
[23:18] years ago. Correct.
>> Correct.
[23:20] » Okay. And the easement predates the
house
[23:24] and
[23:31] Okay. Do I have any questions or
comments from the board?
[23:43] If we don't have any questions or
comments at this time, I'm going to go
[23:46] ahead and open for public comment.
Okay, go right ahead. And it appears our
[23:52] microphone is not coming down out of the
ceiling, so you'll have to use the
[23:56] handheld one, please. So, first sign in.
>> I am Christine Almond Maples. I live at
[24:02] 28909 Judah Pine Drive.
>> Perfect. Thank you. And you'll also have
[24:05] to sign in on the board, too. Thank you.
Thanks. Um, so I'm on the driveway on
[24:10] the end part, the furthest part, one of
the five people that live there. Um, I
[24:15] did give a written um, letter to the
county, but that was under the
[24:20] understanding that the driveway was
being adjusted and moved per the
[24:24] application. Um, even now though with
maintaining the original driveway, I
[24:29] still do have the concern about the
structural integrity, the risk to that
[24:33] with the additional um, approach.
[clears throat]
[24:35] Um, I'm there all year round. My husband
and my family and I, we are there all
[24:40] year round. We maintain the road in the
winter with the snow plowing. We hire it
[24:43] out. I don't do it myself. Um but in the
summertime whenever we've got a rain,
[24:48] myself and our neighbors, our other four
neighbors um also go and maintain the
[24:52] road with bringing in class 5 as needed,
whatever. There are significant areas of
[24:57] ruting after the rain and we are
concerned about the structural integrity
[25:00] that it might introduce additional
rudding for the new driveway. Okay.
[25:05] » Thank you very much.
[25:24] Okay. Any other public comment?
[25:36] » Hi, I'm I'm Linda Y. 285 Gun Pine Drive.
I'm just concerned about
[25:43] » maybe a little bit closer or
>> I'm concerned a little bit about the
[25:46] easements. Um I know I I sent in a
public comment letter and I just want to
[25:50] make sure y'all are aware of that and
take that into consideration too because
[25:56] um any new I'm sure you all were out
there looking at it the other day and
[26:02] it's a steep access if it is put in that
way and the onto 104 becomes a problem
[26:11] and other neighbors are concerned about
it. And on weekends when there's a lot
[26:15] of traffic through there, there's a
blind corner when you come over the
[26:18] hill, you can't see it. And um I'm
concerned about that. And then there
[26:23] were the 911 address changes. What
do we change our address if that
[26:29] happens?
Um those are the questions I have.
[26:34] » Okay.
[26:37] » Okay.
Thank you.
[26:54] Okay. Any other public comment?
[27:04] I'm Betty Hakabo and my address is 2911.
I Juliet drive. I do not live on Juniper
[27:10] Pine Drive, but I go by this area
anywhere from probably 4 to six times a
[27:16] day. So, I go around the Islands Corner,
which is about 150 ft from where the
[27:21] driveway is proposed,
which doesn't give you much time coming
[27:25] around that corner to see somebody
coming out. It's an extremely steep
[27:31] elevation to put a driveway in. Coming
from the south, coming like from town,
[27:38] when you come to the hilltop, it is
probably 100 ft from there, which is
[27:43] another
not so good idea because you can't
[27:49] really see very well. There's a lot of
trees around. Um,
[27:54] the driveway has been there for many
years.
[27:58] And um I'm wondering
what's the purpose in changing it.
[28:06] I guess to know
I mean there's a driveway there now that
[28:12] serves a purpose.
So that's just my concern and I also
[28:17] sent a letter
[28:22] Any
[28:34] [snorts]
[28:40] other public comment?
[28:46] Okay, seeing none, I'm going to close
public comment.
[28:55] questions.
>> Sure. Go ahead, Ken. Um,
[28:59] » Mr. Carter, um, how wide were you
proposing
[29:05] uh the cut be in that
uh steep hillside, the full 33 feet of
[29:12] the easement?
No, I I was planning on 16 feet to 18
[29:17] feet, which is the current width of the
existing easement. It might end up being
[29:23] a little wider than that.
>> Okay.
[29:25] » I've only had one contractor
look at it,
[29:29] » but he looked at terms of removing the
dirt and rounding the I don't know how
[29:34] to put it, rounding the top of the hill.
It might end up being more like 18 feet.
[29:40] » Okay. And then to prevent
um
[29:45] coming down to the wall things on the
side, usually a 3:1
[29:50] ratio. Um and it looks to me like you're
cutting about 15 ft into that hill. So
[29:57] at least eight or 10. That would seem to
me that you're going to beyond that 16
[30:01] or 18 feet, you're going to have to peel
out what maybe 24 feet on each side. Uh,
[30:09] I think you're I think you're pretty
close.
[30:10] » Any kind of u protection. That's pretty
extensive.
[30:14] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[30:15] » And
you built your house when the road's
[30:21] been there for many, many years.
What what's what's driving you to need
[30:27] to want to um prevent the traffic from
coming in on the current road or what
[30:34] what's what's driving you to do this?
I'm not, first of all, I'm not
[30:37] preventing anybody from using the
current access. They have deeded access,
[30:41] so that's never been an issue with me.
You're pretty close to, I think, what
[30:45] the contractor was telling me, the tip
to tip area between 24 and 30 ft. He's
[30:50] not sure,
>> he's recommending class three rock up to
[30:54] 8 ft and then ground cover beyond that
to prevent soil erosion,
[31:00] » but he did tell me
um that it would be it would be when
[31:06] he's done doing the grading, then that
would determine how much of the class 3
[31:10] would go in there. Um,
you're right that when I built the
[31:15] house,
uh, we have kind of a rough idea of the
[31:20] landscaping we want to get done to the
house. And one of the things we want to
[31:25] do is create a little
better look for the house, then having
[31:30] that open space, which is actually wider
than the house to create a little better
[31:36] look to when you're when I'm looking at
the house kind of thing. And I think one
[31:40] of the people that was at the site
inspection hit the nail on the head when
[31:44] they said, "I'm going to grass in where
the current driveway access is," which
[31:47] is part of the plan, and then plant
trees uh along our the
[31:54] west side of the easement between the
easement and the house to make the
[31:59] appearance of the house better. That's
been the goal from the beginning. I have
[32:02] a small logistic issue, which is getting
my
[32:06] 23 foot boat trailer and my
uh long box
[32:13] uh crew cab truck to make that turn
easily. This would make that easier, but
[32:17] that's secondary to the landscaping
plan.
[32:26] Okay. I'm I'm still
being the owner of a boat trailer about
[32:31] the same size,
>> I still don't see how that easement and
[32:35] the slice you're going to make is going
to make improve your ability to u get
[32:41] your trailer onto the current drive. Um,
and it seemed to me there's plenty of
[32:48] room for it to be turned around with the
current setup.
[32:52] » I can I can do it. just takes a about
like a three-point turn for me to get it
[32:57] in there straight.
>> Yeah. So, okay.
[33:00] » This is Tim. Um, I agree with the public
comment. I I think somebody coming 60
[33:06] miles an hour either way, it's it's
going to be too close from it being
[33:11] blind that close. And I do think it's a
safety issue. And um and I think you're
[33:18] going to have the same problem with
driving in from that way as you would
[33:21] the way you are. So, myself, um, I'm not
in favor of the
[33:28] [snorts]
>> the new driveway is 72 feet
[33:32] » further north.
>> It's down a hill and closer to a corner
[33:37] the other way.
>> 72 feet.
[33:39] » I was there,
>> right?
[33:40] » Y,
>> but you still have this 90° turn because
[33:43] the the angle that you have, you still
have to go in and then turn to get down
[33:48] to your house. That would be that would
be the turnout that the contractor would
[33:52] build.
>> No,
[33:54] » it's the same it's the same 90 degrees
for me though.
[33:57] » Yeah. During when we were there, you
mentioned that you would come straight
[34:02] across your grass. You know, you go qu
right across your grass.
[34:07] » Well, you can already go right across
your grass utilizing the Junipine Drive
[34:14] and not even have to cut any of this
excess out.
[34:18] All the ideas that were mentioned during
the site inspection are are they're
[34:23] ideas, right? They're good ideas and
they work.
[34:25] » Yep. Right.
>> But for me, the part that we're trying
[34:28] to accomplish is also a long range
landscaping idea.
[34:32] » And that would mean changing basically
the front yard by planting trees and
[34:37] such with maintaining the current short
driveway that I've got that would
[34:43] prevent that from happening. That's that
was my purpose in applying for the
[34:47] variance is to make the the driveway
more or less hidden by planting trees
[34:54] » on my property.
>> So,
[34:58] » but if it's still going to be left open
for people to drive, you're not going to
[35:02] be able to change the landscaping
>> anyway. It's absolutely true.
[35:07] » Right.
>> My approach to the property would be
[35:09] better from an appearance standpoint.
[35:17] This is Larry. I walked up on that hill
and looked down and it it's really a
[35:20] straight drop down to 104.
>> And the amount of dirt that would have
[35:24] to be moved to make that a safe driveway
with a flat spot on the bottom and stuff
[35:30] so you can actually stop before entering
104. To me, it's just not feasible. um
[35:34] it from a safety standpoint and also
it's just a really serious
[35:40] um cut to fix a fairly minor break.
So I I have trouble. So the
[35:48] » the actual elevation from Juel to the
point of the easement is 10 ft over 117
[35:57] ft,
which is the exact same distance from
[36:02] the low point of the easement to where
the new approach would be for my
[36:06] driveway. So it's it's uh one foot for
every 10 feet roughly of elevation
[36:13] to the easement,
>> right? But 104 runs uphill to that
[36:19] current easement. So that's eating most
of that naturally where you're trying to
[36:23] do it in a very short span.
>> It's going to be a miserable slippery
[36:31] hill in the winter time.
>> Yeah.
[36:33] » Sorry.
>> What in the winter time snow will get
[36:36] packed down. It will become very
slippery. That steep part where you're
[36:40] going to have to go up.
Well, so the actual elevation
[36:47] for my driveway from Jewel 104 to the
easement is exactly the same elevation
[36:54] that currently exists
in the the the current easement. It's 10
[36:59] ft from the low point to the new point
of entry. It's the same 10 feet.
[37:06] So, it's no I'm not I'm not disputing
what you're saying. What I'm saying is
[37:09] that it's the same for me. It's the same
same 10 ft.
[37:20] This is Veronica speaking. I'm in
agreeance with my um colleagues that the
[37:25] existing location of Junipine Drive
works, just as it is for the applicant,
[37:31] that this proposal is excessive. Um
especially this 280 cubic yards of
[37:39] material uh the safety issues, the blind
spot. Um during lot views, we all were
[37:46] in agreeance that there's plenty of room
on the property that the applicant can
[37:52] usable space that the applicant can
drive to access the pole shed. So, I'm
[37:58] not in favor of the application and I am
uh I would agree with the staff and
[38:05] deny.
This is Tim. I'll make a motion to deny
[38:10] application 44-V26
and adopt staff's findings.
[38:17] » I have a motion by Timothy to deny the
application and to adopt the staff's
[38:23] findings of facts. Do I have a second?
This is Mike. I'll second.
[38:28] » Okay. And a second by Mike. Timothy, how
do you vote?
[38:31] » This is Timothy, I vote I.
>> Ken, how do you vote?
[38:34] » I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?
[38:36] » Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?
[38:38] » Mike, I vote I.
>> And this is Veronica, I also vote I.
[38:41] Your application has been denied and you
will receive a decision letter from the
[38:46] Environmental Services Office within the
next couple of days. Okay.
[38:53] Next item on the agenda,
variance application 45-B26
[39:01] by William Mills Trust, part of
government lot 7, section 30, Township
[39:07] 142, range 33, Thorp Township on Big Man
Trap Lake, a recreational development
[39:13] lake, parcels 2630.01800
[39:18] and 26.30.0160.
[39:22] The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 4 subdivision A1A2
[39:27] of the subdivision ordinance for
proposed boundary line adjustment that
[39:31] will not make a non-conforming lot more
conforming.
[39:35] Thank you for coming to the presenters
table
[39:39] and go ahead and state your name for the
record please. William Mills. Uh,
[39:45] » and the address that
>> 249
[39:50] anyway, Juniper Trail,
>> whatever my number is.
[39:54] » 29421.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[39:56] » There you go.
>> And my neighbor Mark Condiff.
[39:59] » Yep. I'm at 29291 Juniper Trail,
adjacent property.
[40:03] » Perfect. Thank you. And go ahead and uh
give us your rundown on your request,
[40:07] please. It's simply to uh draw a
straight line between our two
[40:12] properties. Um uh for some reason
history uh
[40:18] saddled us with a really strange uh
configuration.
[40:23] Um so we're uh we we picked the same
point on the uh lake shore of the
[40:30] existing uh property line. So no lakes
shore changes hands and then the line
[40:36] was drawn. So that we traded uh square
foot for square foot of land. So there's
[40:42] no change in amount of land either one
of us own. And we have a straight line
[40:48] from the lake shore over to the property
line which goes down the side of uh
[40:53] Juniper Trail.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
[40:58] I'm going to go ahead and just open for
public comment.
[41:03] And seeing that I'm going to close
public comment.
[41:08] Do I have any questions from the board?
No,
[41:11] » this is again just for the kind of for
the record. It seems to me this is such
[41:16] a logical thing to do. Both lots are
still fully conforming in terms of
[41:23] billable area and lot size area and
shoreline and so on. It seems pretty
[41:29] straightforward to me.
>> Yes, that is correct. Both lots will
[41:32] remain conforming in that area. the lot
area and lot width. Agree. Um
[41:38] they're just sharing that boundary line
that's very oddly shaped and doesn't
[41:41] allow the s sideel lot area to be
utilized. So I agree. Seems to be pretty
[41:47] simple boundary line adjustment
[41:53] and we've already received township
provided a written statement
[41:58] um which says the township will not
require variance for the proposed
[42:02] boundary line adjustment as well. and
the septic on both lots are compliant
[42:05] and will continue to meet the required
property line setbacks. So, anybody
[42:09] prepared for a motion?
>> I can do it.
[42:13] » Go for it.
>> I'll make a motion that we accept
[42:16] variance application 45V-26
and accept the staff's findings of fact.
[42:23] » Okay. Have a motion by Ken to approve
the application 45V-26 as presented and
[42:28] adopt the staff's findings of facts. Do
I have a second?
[42:33] This is Larry. I'll second.
>> And a second by Larry. Timothy, how do
[42:37] you vote?
>> This is Timothy, I vote I.
[42:39] » Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.
[42:40] » Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.
[42:43] » Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.
[42:44] » And this is Veronica. I vote I. The
application has been approved. You'll be
[42:48] receiving a decision letter from the
environmental services on the next
[42:52] steps. Okay. Thanks so much.
[43:03] Okay, next item on the agenda, variance
application 46-B26
[43:07] by Jessica
Deck.
[43:11] Part of government lot 6, section 4,
township 139, range 33, Crow Wing Lake
[43:16] Township on fourth Crowing Lake, a
natural environment lake, parcel
[43:20] 06.04.01330.
[43:24] The applicant is requesting a variance
from section 704.1 C of the shoreland
[43:29] management ordinance to make a lot not
created compliant with the official
[43:32] controls in effect at the time into an
improved lot. And we have the authorized
[43:38] agent
um from Racer Construction here. Go
[43:42] ahead, state your name and address for
the record, please.
[43:44] » Jod Elani, Racer Construction, 200 or
26299
[43:49] Eagle Bay Avenue, Osage, Minnesota.
>> Perfect. Thank you, Jody. can go ahead
[43:53] and just give us a quick rundown on the
request, please.
[43:56] » The request that people would like to
build a a small house and put a garage
[44:01] on a on a lot that uh all the sizes they
had there actually I thought fit very
[44:08] well. Um
[44:14] that's about where we're at.
All right. Yep. So, the lot was created
[44:19] in 2002. did not comply with the rear
lot line width requirement at that time.
[44:24] Um, could be no less than 50% of the 200
foot minimum lot width because it had no
[44:29] rear lot line, I guess. Um, let's see.
We have the septic design in there for
[44:35] the three-bedroom house. And we have an
alternate site that you showed us as
[44:38] well. Got everything staked out.
[44:45] So, I'm going to go ahead and open for
public comment.
[44:50] Seeing none, I'm going to close public
comment. Do I have any questions from
[44:54] the board members?
>> I just have a comment, I guess. Um, I
[44:58] would ask that the paperwork be sent in
to memorialize an alternate site.
[45:05] » Okay,
>> I'd [clears throat] be in favor of it,
[45:08] but
>> that'd be great. Yeah,
[45:09] » I'd have u paperwork sent in the
environmental services to
[45:14] » I didn't have one didn't I didn't have
one on the design paperwork Tim
[45:18] » I didn't see it but
>> okay
[45:20] » it might be there if it is then you got
it done maybe it is in there
[45:26] » let's see I put it in there
soils are there
[45:31] » looks like soil
>> yep I just didn't draw it in right to
[45:35] the top right above that one
>> just to Mark the spot.
[45:39] » Yep.
>> Y
[45:40] » can do that. I can stop by environmental
services office next week and do that.
[45:44] » Perfect. Okay.
>> All right. Any other questions or
[45:47] comments?
>> I I knew during public or during the
[45:51] lobby, you showed us where it was at.
So, yeah, if you could just get that on
[45:54] there for us, that'd be great.
>> Yeah. Tim asked when we were out there
[45:59] where it was.
>> Yep.
[46:02] » And the soils were verified when we were
>> Yeah. So,
[46:14] Let's see
there we do have staff also commented
[46:19] that if the condition that
[46:24] can de that only be submitted per this
site plan sketch.
[46:34] My only comment to this is that this lot
uh you know meets the 200 feet shoreline
[46:41] for a natural environment lake. It meets
the 150 ft setback. It's just a very odd
[46:47] shape uh triangle shape at the back that
makes it nonconforming
[46:52] uh and doesn't meet that 80,000 square
ft. But otherwise it's given the heavy
[46:58] vegetation and so on, it seems like a
very reasonable lot.
[47:04] Veronica.
>> Yes, sir.
[47:05] » Can we had stake that to where the front
of the garage and the front of the house
[47:10] were even?
>> Is that going to make a difference?
[47:15] » Is it very much different than the site
plan? This
[47:18] » uh it's setting about the same place as
just the front of the house and the
[47:21] front of the garage. We staked them to
where they were even.
[47:24] » I think the main concern would be just
the sizing. Was that correct, Eric? Or
[47:29] just on your staff report? That's the
main
[47:32] » the main intent. Yeah. Just so we don't
get a
[47:35] » Okay. Yeah. Because we slid it back to
give them so they wouldn't go down the
[47:39] hill and scream through their garage
door on the ice. So
[47:42] » the main thing is just that size
construction part. So
[47:47] okay.
All right. Any other questions or
[47:50] comments?
[47:56] It's mainly just to prevent future
and large, you know, massive stuff.
[48:03] » It's kind of nice to do one where they
aren't trying to fill the whole lot with
[48:06] a house.
>> Exactly. Correct. So, okay.
[48:20] This is Larry. I2 am supportive and
would move that we accept um variance
[48:23] application 46V26
and accept staff's findings of facts
[48:28] with the condition that these um
alternative septic site get noted on the
[48:33] plan.
>> And are you going to throw that little
[48:36] condition in there just for
[48:45] » the lot can only be developed per the
submitted site plan sketch. Okay.
[48:52] All right. So, I have a motion by Larry
to approve the variance application
[48:55] 46-V26
per site plan with the condition that it
[49:01] can be only be developed per the
submitted site plan sketch and having
[49:06] that septic information thrown on there.
>> This is Timothy. I'll second.
[49:11] » Okay. And a second by Timothy. Timothy,
how do you vote?
[49:15] » Timothy, I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?
[49:17] » Larry, I vote I.
>> Ken, how do you vote? This is Kenna vote
[49:19] I.
>> Mike, can you vote?
[49:20] » Ma vote I.
>> And this is Veronica. I also vote I. The
[49:23] application has been approved and
decision letters will be sent out. Okay.
[49:28] » Thank you guys.
>> Thank you voting.
[49:38] Next item on the agenda, variance
application 47-B26
[49:44] by Sunny Shores. Part of government lot
one and government lot two. Part of the
[49:48] northeast quarter of the southeast
quarter and part of the southwest
[49:51] quarter of the southeast quarter. All in
section 12, Township 140, range 35, Todd
[49:56] Township on Fish Hook Lake, a
recreational development lake parcels
[50:00] 27.12.00120.
00120
[50:04] 27.12.00500
[50:07] 27.12.0060
[50:10] 27.12000610
[50:14] and 27.12000620.
[50:17] The applicant is requesting a variance
from article v section 2011b of the
[50:22] subsurface sewage treatment systems
ordinance which requires that a
[50:27] subsurface sewage treatment system shall
be upgraded to conform and entirely with
[50:33] all requirements of the SSTSO when an
SSTS is disconnected from a building
[50:38] being replaced and connected to a new
building.
[50:41] » Thank you for coming to the presenters
table. Could you please state your name
[50:44] and address for the record?
My name is Paul Danielson. I live
[50:48] [clears throat] at Sunny Shores at
20403, County 1, lot 50. And with me
[50:54] today is Rick Smith as well. Okay.
>> Uh Rick Smith, Northland Subtic
[50:58] Maintenance, and I'm the licensed
inspector that worked on it as well as a
[51:03] licensed service provider.
>> Okay.
[51:07] Thank you.
And go ahead with your proposal, please.
[51:12] » All right. So the variance uh request
that we have before you is uh related to
[51:17] the disconnect of a mobile home and a
new mobile home being brought in. Uh we
[51:22] have 52 uh mobile home units that are in
Sunny Shores and have been in there um
[51:28] since it was started in 1990 and
periodically some of the mobile homes
[51:34] need to be replaced. Um it just so
happened that last year one of our units
[51:39] u we had a death of that member. they
sold it. The person that sold it to came
[51:44] in to get the uh permit for the mobile
home and was notified about this clause
[51:51] that we hadn't previously dealt with of
having to upgrade the septic system uh
[51:56] to current standards. Our septic system
is in compliance right now. And so our
[52:01] request right now is simply that we have
the ability and flexibility to replace a
[52:07] mobile home as long as we don't increase
the number of bedrooms in that unit.
[52:15] » And how many bedrooms is in the current
unit?
[52:19] » Two.
>> Currently in lot 29 there are two
[52:22] bedrooms.
[52:28] But again, I want to make emphasize that
the variance application is not just for
[52:33] lot 29, but for the ability for any of
them to be replaced as long as we're in
[52:39] uh compliance.
[52:44] » This is Mike. When was the last time you
replaced a unit there?
[52:48] » I believe the last unit was replaced in
2023.
[52:57] And which one was it? What number?
>> Bear with me for a minute.
[53:02] » Sure.
[53:12] » Lot 22 was the last one that was
replaced prior to this request.
[53:17] » During lobby, as you mentioned, four
trailers were swapped out over the 10
[53:21] years. And so that was number 28, number
50, and number 22. What's the last one?
[53:27] » Can you repeat those numbers to me?
>> Number 28. Number 50. Number 22.
[53:35] And there's one more.
>> Number nine.
[53:39] » Number nine.
Those are the only ones in the last 10
[53:43] years.
>> My memory is not that good that I can
[53:46] emphatically say that, but I believe
that is approximately correct.
[53:57] When those changed, did bedroom numbers,
occupancies change,
[54:02] bedrooms increase?
>> I know in at least one of those cases,
[54:07] yes.
I am the owner of lot 50. I do know that
[54:11] one did not change.
[54:17] » Have you seen the This is Tim speaking.
And have you seen the plan of the one
[54:21] that's exchanging with 29 the new one?
>> I have.
[54:26] » So is it just the two bedrooms or is
there a twobedroom and a hobby room?
[54:33] » So there so the request that came in
from lot 29 to us was to put So when we
[54:39] started this discussion it was that we
have typically looked at these things
[54:44] from a size perspective. How much room
do we have on the property to be able to
[54:48] put it in? And in this case, there's a
60 ft trailer there. And we had based on
[54:55] room had said we could go up to 70 ft.
Typically, a 70ft unit is two bedrooms,
[55:01] two bath. Um his request was for a
three-bedroom, two bath and a full 70
[55:07] foot end to end. We came back and said,
"No, we understand the issue. we now are
[55:15] dealing with with the ordinance and with
the potential for a septic system. And
[55:19] we said, "No, we're only going to accept
two bedrooms." The plan currently has
[55:23] put in front of us is two bedrooms with
a den space in there.
[55:36] [sighs]
Public comment.
[55:41] » I'll open for public comment at this
time.
[55:45] Seeing none, I'll close public comment.
>> So, this is Tim speaking. I I u I I
[55:52] don't have a problem with the 29 either,
but I'm not in favor of just a blanket
[55:56] open permission for you guys to handle
it only because of just what you're
[56:02] talking about that that den cuz I think
um going through us, we'd look at a plan
[56:09] of a place and say yes or no and
when it walks like a duck, it talks like
[56:17] a duck and [laughter]
[56:22] So,
I'm in favor of the the application, but
[56:27] not the blanket permission to put in an
exchange when they want.
[56:35] And your
your
[56:39] recommendation is they could replace the
current one but with two bedrooms, not
[56:46] three. Okay.
>> No, I wouldn't put No.
[56:50] One for one, right?
>> So for only this one,
[56:54] » right?
>> Right. And then how do you
[56:58] » I would think that if you would have to
come each time for a variance, right, to
[57:03] exchange it and then we'd look and we'd
look at the plan that was supplied by
[57:08] whoever's going to sell it and they'd
show that they have a garbage disposal
[57:12] or if they have
>> two bedrooms and two hobby rooms. And
[57:17] then we make our decision whether we let
it go or not.
[57:21] » And if the septic is compliant and if
they're maintaining, he mentioned that
[57:24] they have their new uh digital
>> Yep.
[57:27] » um metering and keeping up with your
digital metering. That would be easy to
[57:32] prove if they're compliant.
>> Sure.
[57:34] » And when they would be easy to move
forward if it's all
[57:39] » handy dandy. Yeah.
>> Agreed.
[57:44] This is Larry. From what I'm hearing,
and it makes sense, what's the
[57:48] contingency to make sure the den doesn't
become a bedroom?
[57:53] » Well, one of the recommendations that we
uh I had discussed with Eric is that we
[57:59] could, for an instance, have the
applicant sign an affidavit that they
[58:03] will keep it that way. I am the
applicant for Sunny Shores. I'm also the
[58:08] president of Sunny Shores. I'm not the
owner of lot 29, but I mean just in to
[58:14] show our good faith in this, they came
forward with the three-bedroom and we
[58:18] made the difficult decision to say no,
>> we're instead willing to self-p police
[58:24] ourselves because we have 52 owners that
we represent and as a board I have a
[58:29] responsibility to all 52 of those. So,
while what
[58:35] um you have said is they could turn it
into whatever they like,
[58:41] we know when construction is going on
out there. It's not like you can hide
[58:45] somebody's got 2x4s out there. Um to be
able to turn it into a room. I mean, I
[58:49] think we feel like we do a very good job
of of self-p policing. We have a seven
[58:54] member board uh that oversees that. I
have three of my other board members
[58:59] with me today and you know things come
up and you know as an example and I was
[59:05] sharing this with Eric the other day. We
just had a resident that passed away.
[59:09] That resident's unit likely is going to
go up for sale and that unit likely is
[59:16] not in terrific shape and may need to be
upgraded. So
[59:21] that puts a lot of burden on us as Sunny
Shores to have to come forward with a
[59:26] variance when it's really lot X's issue
>> to deal with. So you know I think
[59:33] there's ways every unit has to come in
to get a permit. Every permit is going
[59:38] to have a plan is going to show the
number of bedrooms that are out there.
[59:42] So there is a way already set up to be
able to do that. everyone needs a new,
[59:47] you know, foundation footings for their
trailer. That is a permitting process.
[59:53] So, we feel like the processes are
already in place to do it. The the key
[59:57] piece of this is to make sure that we as
a um Sunny Shores stay in septic
[1:00:04] compliance. We have a lot writing on
that. So, we sure don't want to put
[1:00:09] ourselves in a position that somebody
decides that they want to add change
[1:00:14] their den into a bedroom simply to fake
you out. They're faking us out as well
[1:00:19] and they're going to pay the price for
that because they're 152nd owner of the
[1:00:24] park as well. So, correct.
>> We have a lot of incentive to follow the
[1:00:28] rules, I guess, is my point.
>> Right. And I appreciate you realizing
[1:00:32] that and taking the initiative to say
negative. we have to watch out for
[1:00:36] everybody and so you know two is what we
should have two is what it was there and
[1:00:40] for everybody's s sake and our septic's
sake so I appreciate that so yeah I
[1:00:46] agree with our our board members here
and Tim going with your suggestion
[1:00:54] » any other questions or comments
>> no I understand I understand what he's
[1:00:59] saying there too um
>> but I think the way that we're
[1:01:04] discussing It seems the same way. I
mean,
[1:01:07] » yeah. Um, there is there is a negative
part that somebody would have to come
[1:01:12] for a variance, but um,
>> but I think down the road that's part of
[1:01:16] the sunny shores. I mean, no different
than most likely one of them would have
[1:01:20] to pay for the permit. If when one
person wants to replace their thing,
[1:01:24] they should that's their business, but
they could also have their each
[1:01:28] applicant pay for the variance. You
know, that's just part of it, not the
[1:01:33] company. The challenge of that though is
you know in this case Sunny Shores did
[1:01:37] pay
>> for this variance and Sunny Shores did
[1:01:41] pay for Northland to make sure that we
had a compliance system in place. So the
[1:01:47] » I meant the number whoever's unit is
should have to be that responsibilities
[1:01:52] not
>> I I understand that piece but the the
[1:01:54] compliance piece goes along with it. The
digital meter was installed for
[1:02:00] » all benefit of all 52 residents and to
see if more of that
[1:02:05] » everywhere
>> more of that documentation, you know, in
[1:02:09] the future of the use and it may be just
fine, but I
[1:02:14] » for sizing on that system um the gallons
per day and
[1:02:20] » we would be more than open to share our
data on a
[1:02:24] regular basis.
>> Absolutely.
[1:02:26] » With the county if that is an a
condition that you'd want to put on us.
[1:02:31] Alls we're trying to strive for is to
make sure that we have some level of
[1:02:35] flexibility so that we're not coming in
for a variance every single time that we
[1:02:39] have a mobile home that needs to be
swapped out. And if the only issue is is
[1:02:45] our person cheating on the number of
bedrooms,
[1:02:49] we can sure work with them to make sure
that we keep that.
[1:02:54] » Okay. Well,
>> as part of our permitting process as
[1:02:56] well, because all of our residents do
need to get a permit before they can
[1:03:00] even come to the county to get their
permit.
[1:03:03] » Okay. Just for clarity, you've replaced
four units in the last 10 years and
[1:03:10] you've only come for one variance
because you hadn't been caught.
[1:03:14] » Okay.
>> So, just to be clear though,
[1:03:17] » the person the person that came forward
was never told that we needed to do
[1:03:22] anything with It's not like you've had
to have a bunch of variances though.
[1:03:26] Just I'm just putting that for clarity.
You've only had to pay for one variance.
[1:03:30] » Yeah. And this again, our issue is not
price. It's responsibility of who's who
[1:03:36] who's it on.
>> Well, I don't know how my comrades here
[1:03:41] feel, but I'm sticking to where I'm at.
>> That's just the way I feel about it. So,
[1:03:48] » this is Larry. Think some of the concern
is that again the digital metering and
[1:03:52] stuff is new and I if when the next
variance comes up we could again look at
[1:03:57] at that point saying yes this
information is all legit and we can
[1:04:02] track it. We could at that point say you
no longer need a variance for each
[1:04:06] individual unit. But I think
>> can be amended if request amended if
[1:04:11] that is correct.
>> But I think to make sure that we get
[1:04:13] this information and and it is where we
all think it is. I think it would be
[1:04:18] good to take this one as a one and then
look at it the next time.
[1:04:22] » Absolutely.
>> Sounds great.
[1:04:42] If there's concern about the the
accuracy of the water meter readings and
[1:04:47] the detail that can be provided uh that
the daily data is automatically
[1:04:53] collected. So, we're not up to the human
error mistakes that have been put in
[1:04:58] place in the past where people promised
that they would give you a daily reading
[1:05:02] and and I've been down that road more
times than I can count. And so, with
[1:05:07] this particular meter that's in there
right now, it hooks up to my laptop.
[1:05:12] It'll give me, I believe, 410 days of
accuracy. And so, there's no adjustments
[1:05:20] there. It just is what it is. And so
that that information is and will
[1:05:26] continue to be available. So it is the
most accurate thing I've ever seen. So
[1:05:30] » that's great. And so they'll always be
backed up. So anytime I I think that for
[1:05:35] environmental services, um they would
probably just like to see that at the
[1:05:39] end of each season, you know, just
submit that to the environmental
[1:05:43] services and just have it in your file.
That would just be handy. I would just
[1:05:46] put that on your checklist to do at the
end of the season and that way it's
[1:05:50] always in the file and they can always
review it. That would just be one less
[1:05:54] thing, you know, one more thing to mark
off.
[1:06:04] » Anyone prepared for a motion?
I'll make a motion to approve the U
[1:06:09] 29 to be exchanged and and uh not allow
the blanket approve and I'll adopt the
[1:06:18] staff's findings.
>> Okay.
[1:06:25] and the condition on
the compliant life on the existing SSTS
[1:06:32] and have that current compliance
inspection report on file.
[1:06:37] Basically, there's
the last couple sentences on the staff
[1:06:43] report.
[1:06:49] Only valid for the compliant life of the
existing SSTS. The association must
[1:06:53] always have a current compliance
inspection report on
[1:06:55] » Yes. I'll add the conditions of the
staff's
[1:07:00] report.
[1:07:04] » Do we want to strike the occupancy
though because you did express
[1:07:08] » chair
>> the challenge of getting that?
[1:07:11] » Yeah.
>> Okay, we can do that.
[1:07:27] Okay. All right. Right. So I have a
motion by Timothy to approve the
[1:07:31] application for
lot number 29 to be replaced
[1:07:39] unit for unit not the blanket perians
application and with the conditions
[1:07:45] stated and adopting the staff's findings
of facts.
[1:07:52] » Mr. Larry I'll second that
>> and a second by Larry. Timothy. How do
[1:07:57] you vote?
>> Timothy, I vote I.
[1:07:59] » Ken, how do you vote?
>> This is Ken, I vote I.
[1:08:01] » Larry, how do you vote?
>> Larry, I vote I.
[1:08:04] » Mike, how do you vote?
>> Mike, I vote I.
[1:08:06] » And this is Veronica. I also vote I. The
application has been approved. You'll
[1:08:11] receive a decision letter in the mail
from the environmental services office
[1:08:15] for the next steps. Okay. Thank you
much.
[1:08:28] Next item on the agenda, variance
application 48-B-26
[1:08:32] by Mark and Beth Olsen. Lot three, block
B, first addition to Pine Haven Beach,
[1:08:39] section 18, Township 140, Range 34,
Hubard Township on Long Lake, a
[1:08:44] recreational [clears throat] development
lake, parcel 14.38.4500.
[1:08:50] The applicants are requesting a variance
from section 702A3 of the shoreland
[1:08:55] management ordinance for proposed
replacement and enlargement of a
[1:08:59] non-conforming dwelling located in the
shore impact zone. Could you please
[1:09:04] state your name and address for the
record?
[1:09:06] » Uh Mark Olsen. Um and I live in
Columbus, Nebraska.
[1:09:12] » Okay.
And your address, sir?
[1:09:19] and Nebraska. Your address
>> or
[1:09:23] » 31. We just moved.
>> 316616th
[1:09:26] Avenue.
>> Thanks, dear.
[1:09:28] » Perfect.
>> Okay.
[1:09:31] » And you can go ahead and state yours,
too, please.
[1:09:33] » My name is Beth Olsson. I live at
316616th
[1:09:37] Avenue in Columbus, Nebraska.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:09:40] » Thanks.
>> All right. And one more in the middle
[1:09:42] there. Go for it.
>> I'm Barry Mson. I'm the contractor agent
[1:09:45] » and I'm at 20413 Hunter Road
>> Park Rapids.
[1:09:49] » Okay. Thank you. And go ahead for your
request, please.
[1:09:53] » Um, as you see on the the picture you
guys look that the highlighted part,
[1:09:59] that's the old part of the building that
uh we looked at last week and we're
[1:10:03] proposing that we take that down uh put
new foundation under it and reconstruct
[1:10:09] it right on the right as it is. Right.
[1:10:22] Okay. I'm going to go ahead and open for
public comment.
[1:10:28] And just for the record, and seeing
none, I'm going to close public comment.
[1:10:33] And
do I have any questions or comments from
[1:10:37] the board?
[1:10:40] You're you're not changing any of the
living arrangements
[1:10:46] um in what you're doing.
>> No.
[1:10:51] » What?
>> The way it's laid out currently is is
[1:10:54] the same as the the new plan
>> bedroom and then the living room.
[1:10:57] » Yeah. That big room with that little
bedroom on the side. Yeah.
[1:11:00] » Um
>> it's the same.
[1:11:01] » So why are you doing this then? What's
what's driving doing this? the the the
[1:11:08] foundation of the other one has for
years from the upper lot that we were
[1:11:12] looking at water had came under. The
foundation is corrupted. Uh the floor is
[1:11:17] from all the humidity is rotting. So
it's it's up and down. One side is about
[1:11:23] 6 in lower. The side that would be
towards that little bedroom is about 6
[1:11:28] in lower. And we knew that when we were
working on that back part for in
[1:11:33] whenever it was I don't 2021 22. So the
actual foundation on around the outside
[1:11:39] is is decaying or or
>> I think a lot of the joist work
[1:11:44] underneath the underneath of it
>> just from the humidity that's it's
[1:11:48] exposed to humidity
>> just the joist you can't just replace
[1:11:51] the joistices
>> or do you have to
[1:11:53] » well the the to eliminate pro well we
like the inf flooror heat and um so we
[1:11:59] did the in flooror hydronic heat in that
back part so we can use our same boiler
[1:12:03] do hydronic into the to the new part,
too. And
[1:12:07] » you're not gonna have a basement at all,
then it's gonna be
[1:12:09] » No, but just just a a simple foundation
supporting a a slab with heat in it. And
[1:12:15] and we put foam under that, too. But um
and then the house just goes up just as
[1:12:19] it is.
>> One of the things that [clears throat]
[1:12:22] um sort of drives the constraints on
this is the closeness to the lake or at
[1:12:28] least that finger of the lake. Um that
wood fence, is that the property line
[1:12:34] that's there?
Who who maintains
[1:12:39] then the neighbors property between that
fence and the pond?
[1:12:44] » The people across the street that own
it.
[1:12:47] » The people across the street that own
that little area, that's how they just
[1:12:51] get down to their like they have a
little golf cart they drive down there,
[1:12:54] but they mow it.
>> They mow it.
[1:12:56] » Uhhuh. Is there any way to um get them
to set that into a no mo zone that they
[1:13:03] allow it to grow up such that that
runoff cuz all the runoff from your
[1:13:09] house runs right into the lake and
there's nothing buffering it at all. Is
[1:13:16] there any way to uh convince your
neighbor to just not mow it?
[1:13:21] » Let it grow up and and then it it pre it
slows down the runoff. Some of that was
[1:13:27] when it was longer was
>> well that's right right at the edge but
[1:13:31] that most of the distance from the fence
>> to the shoreline except for a very small
[1:13:36] amount is mowed. It was mowed just like
the rest of the
[1:13:40] » Yeah, I saw that there's that trail. Is
that the trail they use coming down?
[1:13:43] There's a trail on the end. I [laughter]
saw that they had mowed that. Um, but
[1:13:47] you know, we get the runoff
which is has been forever and I showed
[1:13:51] you guys that video um of all the water
coming down in a big rain event
[1:13:56] » and it it's always come down the hill
and so they're trying to diffuse it.
[1:14:02] » That was a problem. Beth and the
neighbor tried to
[1:14:04] » four years ago when you when you did
that addition.
[1:14:06] » Well, the neighbors that used to be my
parents' cabin right next to us that the
[1:14:11] one that was next to that was my parents
cabin for years. So, we have a lot of
[1:14:15] pictures, photos, and we we they had it
for I don't know 15 years. When they
[1:14:19] redid that cabin, they raised the dirt
up a lot, and that's because we had the
[1:14:25] their little shed there used to be level
with our shed and down further. So, when
[1:14:30] they came in, they brought a ton of dirt
and brought that and raised it a bunch.
[1:14:34] And then we had a river like it washed
our grass, it washed everything out.
[1:14:39] Trees washed out. It was terrible. And
so we put that flower box backs up just
[1:14:44] because of that. So I don't know when
they raised that then the water ran
[1:14:51] gushed down ours and then into the, you
know, in front and then down into that
[1:14:56] slooh area. So that presented a big
problem. It washed out the back of our
[1:15:02] cabin in the back door. Well, what it's
been replaced now, but before it was
[1:15:06] replaced, it washed out all underneath
there. And then since then we've had all
[1:15:11] this settling like our like you said our
floor is like crooked and um we had it
[1:15:17] was just like bricks or something
underneath there really and so it washed
[1:15:20] all that out underneath the deck. It
went out and took all that out. We've
[1:15:23] replaced a bunch of trees and and
whatnot that they you know that washed
[1:15:27] it ruined them. I mean it ruined our
yard. We had to bring in we had to bring
[1:15:30] in grass and
>> that's not to point. The point is
[1:15:34] since we're now doing an additional
construction
[1:15:38] uh when you're within the shore impact
zone, I'm just trying to explore the
[1:15:44] fact is could something be done to
increase the buffer
[1:15:49] » Yeah.
>> of that water that's coming from
[1:15:51] wherever beside you from your house or
up the hill.
[1:15:54] » Is there any way to convince your
neighbor to do not mow that and to use
[1:16:00] it as a buffer zone?
Maybe I I guess I I could ask them. They
[1:16:05] weren't up here this summer because
she's fell and they they weren't up
[1:16:10] there this summer. So, it didn't get
mowed very much at all this summer. Um
[1:16:14] because they weren't here and we didn't
mow it. I mean, I could certainly ask
[1:16:17] them or we could do something whatever.
I mean, you would suggest
[1:16:22] if it would be like a some sort of
landscaping.
[1:16:25] » I would encourage you.
>> I mean, I I can sure ask like say they
[1:16:29] were not able to come up all summer. So
there was very little activity that went
[1:16:34] on over there this year.
>> Yeah, it was mowed pretty short when we
[1:16:37] were there the other day.
>> Their kids were up there for two weeks
[1:16:41] and so yes, I'm not saying it wasn't
mowed. It it certainly could have been,
[1:16:45] but um I know they haven't been here.
>> Okay.
[1:16:49] » I mean, I don't know if there's a
landscaping thing we could do. We
[1:16:52] definitely would be willing to do that.
>> The house is guttered and we can but
[1:16:56] what do you do with it? So we try
because it's all going to go that way.
[1:16:59] So, like you say, I bet the only thing
that could happen was if we could leave
[1:17:03] that grow up a little bit so so that
vegetation would catch the water and
[1:17:07] diffuse it.
>> Yeah.
[1:17:10] » Or maybe just on [clears throat]
>> your on our property if we'd let it grow
[1:17:14] up
>> on the uphill side of the fence. You
[1:17:16] guys could let yours go.
>> Sure.
[1:17:18] » Yeah.
>> No, that's a great idea. I mean, we're
[1:17:22] [clears throat] we would be willing to
do it. I mean, I could ask them, but I
[1:17:25] certainly couldn't guarantee they'd do
it. But we could do it.
[1:17:28] » Sure.
>> Okay. Any other comments from the board
[1:17:30] members?
>> This is Mike. Uh on your elevations and
[1:17:34] floor plans, you don't show any deck
going back on.
[1:17:37] » I didn't. And I had uh Eric had said
that when we were out there and so we we
[1:17:42] want I was going to take the deck off to
do the the foundation and stuff and uh
[1:17:48] Mark was going to rebuild it. And so I
was questioning on that uphill side
[1:17:53] where the where the door is if we could
build a sidewalk down with a curb and
[1:17:57] try to keep that water from getting to
the house and just curb it all the way
[1:18:01] down so we can get it out in the yard.
So then we would just build that uh all
[1:18:06] the way out to the front of the deck and
support the deck off of it. Keep the
[1:18:09] water from getting where it's currently
going under. Get it forward out forward
[1:18:14] to the deck more. And with the grass
that's on the lawn, most of the in the
[1:18:17] the planter that uh Beth and the
neighbor lady had done, that kind of
[1:18:22] diffuses some of that water anyway, so
the grass isn't getting all corrupted
[1:18:26] and washed out and stuff. So, it's the
grass is holding it. And so, it is
[1:18:30] holding, but it would be nice to keep it
from getting to the house. And so,
[1:18:33] that's why I was suggesting that we
could maybe do that. And I I can redraw
[1:18:38] that with the the with that on.
>> The deck's not getting any larger, is
[1:18:43] it?
>> What's that? The deck's not getting
[1:18:45] » No, no. Huh. It's It would stay the
same.
[1:18:48] » It's on the existing [clears throat]
footprint.
[1:18:50] » Well, and when we were in because we
talked about that with Demi when we were
[1:18:53] in and she said that little notch out
that was on that one side. She said,
[1:18:57] "Why? Why'd you do that?" And that was a
a previous thing uh that they were told
[1:19:01] they had to do. She said that's not
necessary. So, so we'd probably just
[1:19:05] square it
>> right
[1:19:06] » over there because that was, you know,
that little four or six inch
[1:19:11] » notch in for that last 8 ft. We just
square that up.
[1:19:15] » And we'd use the same railing.
[1:19:19] » Okay. Any other questions or comments?
[1:19:26] » Have you done public comment yet?
>> Yes, sir.
[1:19:28] » Okay. I I have a couple more questions.
you're when we approved the variance
[1:19:34] about four years ago for you to add a
storage area to your shed.
[1:19:41] » Um did you replace all the fixtures in
the um um shower area?
[1:19:48] » Yeah.
>> You put new sink, new shower,
[1:19:52] » new stool,
>> etc. There.
[1:19:54] » There was like a lot of m mouse junk in
there.
[1:19:58] » You did that.
>> And so yeah, we did put in new ones.
[1:20:00] Uhhuh. I mean, it's they're in the same
spot if that matters. I don't know. But
[1:20:04] yes, we did because there was
>> because what I experienced seemed a
[1:20:07] little different than the drawing that
that we had in 2022. I also noticed
[1:20:12] there were bedding in there.
>> Uhhuh. There. Well, one of the beds in
[1:20:16] there is from the bedroom
[clears throat]
[1:20:18] down in the cabin. We carried it up
there and so one's from there. One is
[1:20:22] there. And I mean honestly it maybe is
used one week out of every other year. I
[1:20:30] have a son that comes from Tokyo. He
lives in Tokyo and when he comes over he
[1:20:35] sleeps up there. Well they sleep up he
and his wife sleep up there because of
[1:20:38] the time change. So when they come we
use it but otherwise
[1:20:44] we we put our kayaks in there and all
that stuff. I know that that's clearly
[1:20:49] in violation of the or the variance we
gave you four years ago that that was
[1:20:55] not to be used for any sleeping quarters
at all.
[1:21:00] » You're right then. Yep. We probably have
violated that maybe since we've had it
[1:21:06] » two weeks. So yeah, I mean you're right.
It's still wrong. It's we still
[1:21:10] shouldn't and we don't need to. We
really put all our kayaks and all that
[1:21:14] stuff up there. We've started hauling
that stuff up there. So that's usually
[1:21:18] what's in there and then we pull it out
in the summer.
[1:21:22] » What I saw there was basically a chair,
some fishing rods and a bed. I didn't
[1:21:27] really see much use for much for
storage.
[1:21:30] » We've hauled stuff up from our cabin
furniture and cabinets and stuff up
[1:21:36] there to store if we're able to redo all
this. So there is stuff up there.
[1:21:40] There's a computer up there. There's a
or a desk. There's a um chair. There's
[1:21:46] two beds. one belongs in the cabin. And
so there is that stuff up there now
[1:21:50] because we've moved stuff from the cabin
out of the cabin up there.
[1:21:56] So we haven't put away our kayaks and
stuff yet. So that all will go in there.
[1:22:01] But you're Yeah, I mean you're correct
that is up there, but it is from Well,
[1:22:05] the one bed's down there. Otherwise is
from our cabin. But you're correct.
[1:22:09] » Okay. It's in violation of the variance
from 2022
[1:22:14] » and we can remove the bed. Okay.
>> And the one bed, like I said, will go
[1:22:18] back down into the cabin.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:22:22] » I'm done.
>> Thanks, Ben. Any other questions or
[1:22:25] comments? I I will just put on here that
the uh the dwelling is outside of the uh
[1:22:33] shore impact zone
from the main body of the Long Lake,
[1:22:37] except for that small bay that we've
discussed. Um the septic on the property
[1:22:41] is compliant and located in the rear of
the lot. There is a grinder tank by the
[1:22:46] house um that falls under the plumbing
code. So
[1:22:51] I think other than that I don't see any
issues with the request. The only thing
[1:22:56] that's changing is that roof line and
they're just trying to kind of even it
[1:23:00] up.
[1:23:04] So,
[1:23:20] anyone prepared to make a motion?
[1:23:28] This is Larry. I move that we accept
variance application 48V26
[1:23:33] and accept staff's findings of facts.
>> Okay. I have a motion by Larry to
[1:23:38] approve the application 48-V26
as presented on per site plan and adopt
[1:23:46] the staff's findings of facts. Do I have
a second?
[1:23:51] » This is Mike. I'll second
>> and a second by Mike.
[1:23:56] Ken, how do you vote? Is it Kim or Ken?
>> Ken.
[1:23:59] » It's Ken. I vote I.
>> Timothy, how do you vote?
[1:24:02] » Timothy, I vote I.
>> Larry, how do you vote?
[1:24:05] » Larry, I vote I.
>> Mike, how do you vote?
[1:24:07] » Mike, I vote I.
>> And this is Veronica. I also vote I.
[1:24:11] Your application has been approved.
You'll be receiving a decision letter
[1:24:16] from the environmental services office.
And again, thank you very much.
[1:24:20] » Will that come to our house that or to
our cabin?
[1:24:23] » It's Eric. Is it going to be mailed to
the E911 property address or going to be
[1:24:29] to their
>> I don't get our mail very very much. I
[1:24:32] think I've gotten one piece there.
>> There's another address on here that
[1:24:36] also says uh something wrote Park Rapids
>> would have buried his address. That's
[1:24:41] what address was given to us.
>> Yeah, it's going to go on the one that's
[1:24:45] on the app variance application.
>> Yeah. Okay. And then can I just ask can
[1:24:50] like do you have a suggestion of what we
should do on that to help with the
[1:24:53] runoff? Like is there some sort of
landscaping type thing that we could do
[1:24:56] on our property?
>> The fence and the and the thing just
[1:24:59] don't mow it.
>> Okay. But
[1:25:01] » just let it grow naturally.
>> Okay. In our
[1:25:03] » there's enough good enough soil there
and I looked at the vegetation
[1:25:07] » just to let that 5t or 6 feet grow up
naturally. Don't mow it. Okay. Uh, and
[1:25:13] if you're getting much coming down from
the hill, no mow up as far as you can.
[1:25:18] That'll be the best thing you can do for
that part of the lake.
[1:25:22] » So, like all the way up, you're
suggesting like, which is fine. All the
[1:25:24] way up.
>> As far as it makes sense. I don't
[1:25:26] remember. I didn't look up farther. I
looked right along. But just leave it
[1:25:30] grow.
>> Okay.
[1:25:31] » Okay.
>> So, it's okay if we do it on our side if
[1:25:33] the neighbors don't want to. As long as
we do
[1:25:36] » I don't I wouldn't worry about your side
of the fence. It's that five or six feet
[1:25:41] that's on that side would be a good
buffer to to think. Yes.
[1:25:45] » All right. And if they don't, we should
we just go ahead and do it then. Let it
[1:25:49] grow. If they don't want to do that,
it's okay if we just let it grow.
[1:25:54] » I mean, I'm fine with
>> Well, you can let yours grow, too, if
[1:25:56] you want. Yeah,
>> that's fine. I'll ask. And throw
[1:25:59] mattress covers on those mattresses and
throw those beds sideways. Okay.
[1:26:02] » Okay. Well, like I said, one of those
moved down, so
[1:26:07] » Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[1:26:08] » Thank you. Thanks. Thanks.
[snorts]
[1:26:11] » All right. And so next items,
miscellaneous communications.
[1:26:18] » Uh let's see. [clears throat]
Relative to the ordinance amendments. I
[1:26:24] brought those to the county board and
they were open to the plat process
[1:26:30] change, but they changed their mind on
the conditional use process change. So
[1:26:37] they directed me to bring that back to
you and that'll be on next month's
[1:26:41] agenda to review the draft which is
basically the same other than having the
[1:26:47] cup process modifications
and that will need your approval and the
[1:26:54] draft I'll then bring back to the board
and we'll see where things go. Um
[1:27:01] so that's one item. The other would be
we've got an ordinance amendment
[1:27:05] application
uh asking the county to consider
[1:27:10] commercial business use being allowed on
recreational development lakes.
[1:27:16] Uh we've got a conditional use permit
application amendment request and then I
[1:27:23] think three variances so far and the
deadline is next Monday. So we could
[1:27:29] very well get more between now and then
but that's what we have. Thus far,
[1:27:35] that's what I've got.
>> Okay.
[1:27:41] » This is Veronica. Did you ever put the
um subdivisions, the minor subdivisions
[1:27:46] or no, the uh the other subdivisions
that we talked about
[1:27:50] on on that uh amendment for them
>> for you?
[1:27:55] » The minors.
>> Yeah.
[1:27:56] » No, but if you want to
>> I mean, I didn't know if you wanted to
[1:28:00] throw that in there while we're doing
it. If you want to suggest that, we can
[1:28:03] float the balloon and see.
>> I mean, I I am open to it. I mean, like
[1:28:07] I said, Eric carries most of the weight
on that anyhow. I mean, all we do is
[1:28:12] » rubber.
>> Exactly. So, [clears throat]
[1:28:15] » so I think that's a great idea if you're
open to it. I'm open to it.
[1:28:20] » Yeah. It doesn't matter to me.
>> So, I think so. Yeah. Agreed. that would
[1:28:25] be added next month on the discussion on
the whole proposal.
[1:28:30] » If you want to add that, you can.
>> Yeah, I mean it's be done at the same
[1:28:36] time. That's the [clears throat] only
reason I was suggesting throwing it on
[1:28:38] there.
>> The planning commission can always
[1:28:40] suggest ordinance amendments to the
board. So if it comes from the
[1:28:45] commission then I can say during
conversation that came up and
[1:28:51] » right
>> was an additional
[1:28:53] » item that was proposed.
>> Yeah.
[1:28:57] » Okay.
All right. Are we ready to adjurnn?
[1:29:01] » Okay.
[1:29:04] » This is Larry. I move we adjurnn.
>> Okay. Motion by Larry to adjurnn.
[1:29:09] » Ken I'll second it.
>> Second by Carrie. Ken. Larry. Caddyy
[1:29:12] vote.
>> Miss Larry, I vote I.
[1:29:14] » Ken Hetty vote.
>> I vote I.
[1:29:17] » Timothy vote.
>> Tim votes I.
[1:29:19] » Mike. Caddyy vote.
>> Mega vote I.
[1:29:21] » And myself. I vote I. Meeting ajourned.
[1:29:27] Get it.