>>Thank you for all the public comment,
we have received a lotThrough our
emails, we appreciate that, and then
during the presentation today, We don't
cheer or clap, you're welcome to do
this or raise your signs, but we don't
really want to discourage anybodyFrom
saying what they want to. Everybody
gets that right, whether it's for or
againstThe project, so we don't want to
make anybody feel not welcome.. So with
that, and John(INAUDIBLE)
Kaleigh, can we start with roll call?
>>Yes, thank you, chair.
[CALLING ROLL]
All are here.
>>Okay, let's salute our flag, please.
>>I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one numb
nation "One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
>>This is our special meeting of
October 20, we have one agenda item and
before we get to that agenda item, we
are going to see if there's any
modifications to the agenda.
>>Good morning, Chair Bushnell, there
are no modifications.
>>Thank you, CAO Hayes, we are going to
go to our County Counsel.
>>Thank you, Chair Bushnell. Currently
before the board is an ordinance
amending section 311 " Seven of the
Kumble "Humboldt County code by rezoning
property in the McKinleyville area to
mixed-use in adding the McKinleyville
Towncenter Q-qualifiedCombining zone.
>>Okay, so I am going to open the
public hearing, and we are going to go
to Director Ford.
>>In morning, Chair Bushnell, members
of the Board of Supervisors, John
forward with the planning and building
department.. Before I begin the
presentation, just want to give a
little bit of a proceduralDiscussion
about public comment.So all the public
comment that was receivedBeforeOctober
15(INAUDIBLE) with the board report
that was published, Anything after that
Was presented through theClerk of the
board's office and is attached to, In
the legistar file and is there. There
were some subsequent comments that were
received, and those you have on the
dais this morning.So with that, I'm
going to give a short, what I hope will
be somewhat short presentationOn the
TowncenterAnd
>>I forgot to say one thing. Public
comment is two minutes today, not
three, and that will be for everyone. I
really just if you have something to say
, Please do, But it can get a little bit
, You are welcome to say I agree,
disagree, and you don't have to utilize
the two minutes. I just want to put
that out there. So thank you.
>>My computer is killing me this
morning. It will not going to display
mode.So pardon me that this is going to
beIn the work mode. This is a
presentation onThe McKinleyville
Towncenter,The things that I will go
over briefly are the development of the
ordinance, The Towncenter ordinance
itself, the IR, the issues that seem to
be of most concern to the public and
then discuss the
recommendation.
First, I want to start by saying this
is a process that started in 2019, the
McKinleyville municipal advisory
committeeIs created to collect
informationThat's important to the
community and provideRecommendations to
the Board of Supervisors. So these are
the currentIn past members and past
chairs of theMcKinleyville municipal
advisory committee, and they have
worked tirelessly to bring this to this
point.And there are members of the
public, too, and I was afraid that I
missed somebody, so I didn't try to name
all the members of the public that
participated in this, but there have
been people who have been there every
step of the way and it's so appreciated.
So the McKinleyville town center comes
out of the McKinleyville community plan
to establish unique identity for
McKinleyville that needs to be viable,
a focal point for the community where
social community interactionCan be
conductedAnd it's identified as an area
of mixed land usesWith encouragement
for bicycle and pedestrian travelAnd
also conveningConvenient automobile
access. Some of the topics thatWere
discussedIn great detail or how to
address wetlands, It started off
wondering whether not the definition
should be modified within the community
plan, that was ultimately decided by
the bitmap they would not make the
recommendation to do that, the town
center also would be subject to the
single parameter weapon requirement,
spent a lot of time developing a
pedestrian network, So there is a
complete pedestrian connectivityBoth
east-west from the McKinleyville Avenue
all the way over to Pearson Park and
there is a connection proposed linking
the midtown trail and also pedestrian
connectivity along central. So these
only, The concept went from having
individualAs Olds to zoning the entire
Cal center mixed-useWith specific
overlays on addressing how to deal with
that. The building design is base code
and that was something that was done to
try to create more of an urban downtown
feel with commercial uses on the first
floor residential above that and then
the road design, I know, it's going to
be the big discussion today which was
how to address central Avenue. There
are policies within the McKinleyville
community plantTo address pedestrians
crossing central and so theUltimate
what's been called the road diet is a
function that came out of that.
So this is an areaIdentified with the
McKinleyville community plan is being
the town center.And what is being
proposedIsThere's one project that's
actually proposed, That's the life plan
Humboldt project, that's the area
outlined inPurple south of Hilton. So
the proposal is to sold basically the
entire property mixed use, And so there
would be one, been sold throughout the
entire town center and that would be
mixed use and that would be modifiedIn
the Q Zone would have uses that are
broken up like this, there will be a 14
acreWetland on the Western end of the
property, That is described wetland
conservation preservation re-creation,
part of that will be to retain halfOf
the growth that exists there, so
there's a little bit of flexibilityWith
respect to the where that goes with the
idea is to retain the Spruce Grove that
exists there, because that is kind of
identifying landmark of the landscape.
You'll notice the public facility which
is also encourage within the community
plan is retained at Pearson Park, that
also includes the library, Azalea Hall,
the Sheriff substation. In the
community center. The are three seems a
little out of place, but the reason for
that is that's where the Thunderbird
trailer park is that there was a desire
not to create the trailer park is being
a nonconforming use. So the Arthur
resultingBasically it's retained for
that location.The IRR was prepared to
evaluate the impacts of implementing
the town center and that would be
looking forward to actual construction
becauseThe objective here is to have
the actual construction of buildingsTo
be ministerial, there may be a need for
discretionary permits such as related
to obtaining permitsTo relocate wetlands
. So the EIRIs both programmatic but
also provides environmentalSite
clearance for future developments, And
it alsoClearly would include
(INAUDIBLE). In the EIR, there were
Impacts that were identified as being,
There was no impact or less than
significant impact without mitigation,
those are shown in white, there's less
than significant after mitigations
provided, those are shown in yellow,
and there was one significant
unavoidable impact and that was related
to theTraffic noise along the railroad.
The concern there wasn't that it
exceeded 60 DV, which is the adorable
plan bubble allowable, it's that it
increase the overall noise by more than
5 dB, up to 7 dB.Due to the fact that
it's already a low-speed mode there
wasn't really, and the homes of the
Northside face onto theStreet, there
wasn't the ability to provideSound
attenuation there, soIt was deemed to
be a significant unavoidable impact.
One of the interesting thingsThat
confuses people, we are in an area "Heir
of the environmental quality actTo
evaluate level of service, it's now
based on vehicle miles traveled, and
since the project is so focused on
pedestrian and bicycle in transit, It
really is a self mitigating project and
the impact was determined to be less
than significant.The central Avenue
laid reductionHad no SQL impact. There
was, and I will talk about this a
little bit more later, there was an
operational analysisThat was done
through the projectThat was separate
from BNT, and that is also includedAs
an appendix to the EIR.
So we did examine a couple of
alternatives, what is the project
alternative, that always has to be
evaluatedWithin a reduced scale
project. One thing that is a concern
for some people is the amount of
development that could be allowed. I
will go into a little bit more detail
about that but what the EIR did was
evaluated the theoretical maximum that
could be filled so whatever happens out
there would not exceed that, So that's
not, those aren't regulatory numbers.
The Micmac recommended building with
the project as proposed rather than
trying to reduce itPrimarily because
there is a need for housing within the
communityAnd with in Humboldt County.
The ARR, the draftWe received 28 letters
, Most of them came fromIndividualsWho
commented on the document. There was
one letter from state agency, one from
a local agency, one from the
nongovernmental organization.And so the
final EIR includes the DE IR, it
includes the changes that were madeTo
the EIR and responding to the comments
and in response to comments.There
We did include some responses.related
to the IR but focused on ordinance
requirements, just wanted to explain
why that's notSomething that the IRS
going to respond to. I do want to say
some of the comments did result in
changesTo the EIR and we included those
here. What was just included an updated
cross-sectionIn the DIR, But we updated
that with the new exhibit, we modified
air quality mitigation. We also
modified some of the biological
resource mitigationPrimarily to address
the concerns from the Department of
Fish and wildlife and then try to
address the noise little bit more
thoroughly by having a construction
noise coordinator and then including
the alternativesIn the table to reduce
alternatives. Some of the areas of
concern you've seen relate to wetlands,
Central Avenue, Relate to the amount
analyzed in the open space, I will go
through those briefly. The first one is
related to wetlands and the concern with
Policies 14 and 15 within the community
plan.And that policy says up on
existing parcelsShall be permitted.And
one of the things that you will see is
that there are actuallyFive existing
undeveloped parcels that these policies
would apply toAnd for thoseOur existing
four of those are existing parcels
since the community play. That would
clearly be under policy 14 which allows
Impacts of the wetlands provided they
are mitigated. Policy 15, then, is the
one that becomes a concernPeer and
since no land use or development shall
be permittedWhich degrade the wetland
for distract from natural resource value
. So the life plan Humboldt parcel was
subdivided since adoption of the
committee plan. So it is clearly
subject to policy. One of the things I
would point out, the reason I put this
in different colors is if it said no
land use or development shall be
permitted wetland areas of newly
created parcels, that would beVery
clear, but it doesn't say that. It
provides a modifier there which degrade
the wetlands or detract from the
natural value of the staff report and
the findings, there's a great amount of
analysis describing whyThe life plan
humble is consistent with that.
So I probably just went through this
fast, I will just skip over that.One
concern is the amount of development
allowed, And it evaluates the
possibility of 2650 units in 25 volumes
per acre, and evaluated 106 acres. The
total town center is 134 acres, so
obviously Pearson Park was subtracted
out, the public facilities were
subtracted out with that basically
leaves 54 acres undeveloped which would
be about 1350 units, life plan Hubble
is already developing propose to develop
and they are at 144 unitsThey
developed a 25 units per acre they
would have 211 units.The area upon
Pickett where it says 4.3 acres up
there and kind of the(INAUDIBLE) color,
that was a more recent modification
that Micmac made a recommendation on,
the property owner there wanted10 years
to the acre, so what was proposed there
is about 43 units, Making it 64. You
can see the EIR was very conservative
in the analysis. It probably won't ever
reach the 2650 units. In order to do
that, areas within the town centerWould
need to be redeveloped.There would be
the existing development that would
need to be redoneAnd redeveloped under
the town center.
Another concern was space, the
ordinance requires 3% of undeveloped
property to be devoted toSome sort of
open spaceWith a minimum of one site
being at least 20,000 ft. . In this,
the open space can be combined into one
area or it can be spread across the
properties, And so the 54 undeveloped
acres would be about 1.62 acres. The
Micmac the last meeting that they held
was somewhat split, Some were open to
the idea of looking for more than
20,000 ft. , others thought that1.62
acres was really what dictates hereAnd
they were fine with the language as is.
So I am not going to read all this to
you, The other concern is related to
parkland and the way that parkland and
is currently addressed within
McKinleyville is that there's an option
to either dedicate or to pay a part fee
and then the part fee is usually
provided to theMcKinleyville community
services District and they develop
parks using that fee, we recently had
the board approve a request to transfer
money to in CSD for the BMX Park, so
that's what's in red down there, partly
for public parksWhich meet those
standards. The development of the town
center will be consistent with current
practice and consistent with what is
allowed not only in thePolicies of the
community plan itself but also in
(INAUDIBLE).
And then there was a comment about
TraditionalVillage form, and there is a
river reference to that, these are the
actual languages from the guidelines,
to assure a traditional village form,
to avoid the strip shopping center look
. So which is the driving focus here?
Is it trying to define what a
traditional villageIsOr is it to stay
away from the standard strip shopping
center look? That's really what the
objective of the Q Zone, the Towncenter
ordinance is intended to do is create a
very walkablePedestrian oriented feel,
similar to what traditionalDevelopment
would look likeIn a state where you
didn't have the tradition or the more
recent strip designWith parking in the
frontIn building's behind the parking.
The big area of concern, Light as you
are aware, of us that of (INAUDIBLE),
so this is what the McKinleyville
Municipal advisory committee ultimately
recommended approvalAnd this would be
three lanes. There would be in North
Lane, Southlake, center lane. There
would be a buffered bike lane, and then
there would bePedestrian sidewalk
adjacent to the buildings. One of the
things I think is important to
understand about this drawing that is
accurately presented is that theCode
looks to place buildings at the back of
the walk so you have more of a town
center kind of feel. So shop frontsWith
residences,Originally there was a tree
or the room read planner, there is a
landscape strip there, the Micmac
realized,There is utilities in this area
. It would not be good to place
landscaping there and soThey took that
out and they wanted to see some kind of
rock, gravel, some decorative payment
treatment still keeping the curb, the
buffered bicycle lane, But with the
possibility if allowedTo place some
kind of planter in that area, so that's
what's reflected there. Obviously, the
current configuration of the roadIs
four lanes, and I want to clarify
something, I heard a lot, I read a lot
of comments aboutThe thinking that the
entirety ofMcKinleyville Avenue would be
In two lanes. So this is drawing, I'm
sorry for the scale, I could get it any
largerAnd have it often on a slide with
the area in origin showing the existing
two lane segments of McKinleyville
Avenue.
>>Are you referring to Central Avenue?
>>Central, thank you.
[LAUGHING]
McKinleyville Avenue is to the west.
The green areaIs an area that will
remain four lanes.The blue area is the
area that would be where the lane
reduction is. That would be between
Railroad AvenueAnd hardwood. While I do
not have the numbers to demonstrate this
, I do drive this enough to know that
when you come off the freeway and go up
over Bella Vista HillAnd come down and
hit the four-lane segmentThat before
you even go through the light at the
shopping center, a lot of people are
alreadyGetting that right lane because
the big turning movement is at the
center Road intersection. And Sutter
road, that intersection will not be
affected by this.In fact, just personal
experience, I was in the Chevron
station at SutterIn central Saturday
and was looking to make a left onto
Sutter to get back on central and there
were nine cars stacked in the turning
lane. So the primary turning movement is
on and off of Sutter there, there's a
lot of traffic that goesOutsider,
there's water development. The
four-lane section within Park would
Which is also another place where there
is a lot of traffic that turns off on
the hardwoodBefore getting into the
Upper section therebetween heart would
and redwood. I hope that helps a little
bit for context, it's not all of the
four-lane section that would be
affected.
Also wanted to say that the planning
commission wasKind of vexed with what
to do about this, they were concerned,
that in order to see traffic jams, they
don't want to see the communityPut into
place with traffic solutions that
nobody likes. So they asked for
additional studyTo be done. As part of
the recommendation today. But I do want
to point out that one of the things the
Micmac asked for and was provided was
that there was an operational analysis
doneFor all the intersectionsAroundThe
town center.So that evaluated Murray in
central, It identified and evaluated
MurrayAnd McKinleyville peer can
identify the intersections down along
McKinleyville and down alongCentral to
Heartwood. And so it did fine, that
there would be impacts.It did also
provide what the solutions, the
improvements that can be made for those
intersectionsTo maintain an adequate
level of service. It did not address,
though, intersections that were outside
of the city area. So did the address
somebody turns are being madeIn
(INAUDIBLE) as school Road. It also did
notInvolve something that is kind of a
new topic of discussion that really
wasn't a topic of discussion with this
process started which is a possibility
of havingI hello Road interchange.They
are lookingAt northbound southbound.
These options were provided to theMicmac
and they are also provided to the
Planning commission and these come out
Of the McKinleyvilleModality study and
the one the upper rightWas an
alternativeThat maintain basically the
five lane alignment, four legs North,
four-lane South with a center turn
lane, it maintainOn street bike paths
and a 10 foot bike pedestrian path that
separated from the street on the west
side of the road.One of the things that
The Micmac made the comment about, I
don't know that this was unanimous, but
there were concernsThe existing bridal
trail they may be incompatible with the
code desire to have white sidewalks in
the retail on the first floor. So that
wasSix rejected. What was brought up in
at least one of the letters, it has an
alternative to the current road that I
proposed, the other lane reduction was
reallyNot so much of payment reduction.
This would also include the bridal trail
which the Micmac commented on, ButIt
is a three lane alternativeIn the
center turn lane withBuffered by Clay
on each side. SoEven the modality study
did not recommend approval.
So the recommendation to the Board of
Supervisors is to adopt the resolution
and certify the EIR andAdopt a running
consideration, adopt the monitoring
program, adopt a resolution to make all
required findings for adoption of the
zoning ordinance and then adopt the
ordinance to rezone the town center
mixed use with the Q Zone only late in
direct any work done in central Avenue
be done with an updated traffic analysis
And designed to be presented to the
Micmac public discussion. With that, I
am happy to answer any questions you
might have.
>>Okay, thank you. From the board, will
do clarifying questions Alina will go
to public comment. And then I will go
back to JohnAnd then back to the board.
Any clarifying questions on the
presentation?Supervisor Oreo.
Something I didn't see is the part of
the presentation was, I am a bit
familiar but I can always use more
information about this, about what the
public process has beenThat surrounded
all of this.
>>Thank you, so we started offTrying to
decide what would be an appropriate
committee. Initially, the Micmac was
thinking about appointing people, But
then it was still need to come back to
the Micmac for consideration, and their
recommendation, And so the
recommendation was made to the Micmac
which they agreed to, they service that
committee to serve asThe place where
public meetings will be held, or public
input will be taken anywhere public
discussion when we had. The first
couple of meetings or meetings that
were really not convened as the Micmac,
they were much larger, we set up
tables. First we didn't introduction
and an overviewIn the Azalea Hall, and
We had maybe 75 people there. Then we
conducted a meetingBroke out in the
table for people in the first meeting
had identified the areas they would
like to study and talk aboutAnd so we
Set those and let people go around the
tables and talk aboutWhat it was they
wanted to see.From there we got
sidetracked frankly on wetlands and
that discussion was the focus for a few
meetings and we then got intoCOVID, And
it slowed down a little bit and started
holding remote meetingsAndDuring that
timePeople started asking what does
this look like, what would the
Towncenter look like, and we actually
hired a great architect to come in and
help us do a presentations and develop
Something representative of what
form-based code could look like in cash
loser came and help us with that then a
blocking study and amassing study and
even did some things that you can see
it from different angles and that I
think help the public and helpedThe
Micmac understandWhat it was that was
being proposed here? Got into a
discussion, the discussion of Central
Avenue has been up and down and back
and forth the entire timeAnd soOne of
the things I want to point out that I
think some people in the public were
dissatisfied well with was the abnormal
allowance for three minutes to speak,
And so I think some people really
wanted to have more back-and-forth but
in order to maintain some sense of order
, That wasn't allowed for. Went through
all the items that I put up there on
the screenAn ordinance was written, and
then we probably spent, I want to say
two years going through iterations of
that ordinance. Staff responding to
comments including something within the
documentHaving the public comment,
having the Micmac comment on it and
then kind of going through it until we
Got a finished document, we got a
stable documentAnd based upon that we
prepared theDraft EIRAnd then coming
out of the draft EIR, so subtle changes
were madeBut nothing that is really
significant. Ability to bothThe EIR
with the draft EIR is the final
diversion of the document back to BRIC
for their recommendation to the
planning commission. The planning
commission received the recommendation
of the MicmacAnd they consider the
public testimony, considered what was
presented May the recommendation to
adopt the ordinance, certify the EIR
with no changes.
>>Thank you. So it's been about six
years now? Thank you. Hear any other
clarifying questions?Supervisor Wilson,
then supervisor Madrone. And then
supervisor Bohn.
>>This cutting goes into the Q Zone part
Of the discussion which isI read in
there that thereIs the encouragement of
the shared parking as well as kind of
moving away from the parking frontage
to a more town style frontage and it's
kind of wondering how does that manifest
? From the word several people "From the
word on paper that's moving forward
today.
>>I think that's part of the concern
for many members of the community as
well. When somebody would come in with
an application for a permit and they
didn't require discretionary permit,
then the town center in the form-based
code would be used to evaluateThe design
Of the project, not only the site plan
but also(INAUDIBLE).
>>It seems like there either hasn't been
Encouragement of that in the past,
maybe even just a different visionOf
how that looks at what that is, and so
what you're saying is basically that
encouragement occurs in the design phase
of a new project and there's now
direction to move away fromThe
standard, which is a big parking lots
in front and businesses and back.
This is very much intended to do things
at a human pedestrian scale.
>>I appreciate that. You probably have
a few other questionsBut I will wait
till after the comments.
>>Supervisor Madrone?
>>Thank you.John, I want to, Some of
the issues had to do a density building
height and of course the wetlands were
discussed through the six year process
over and over. Is it true that the
proposed zoning that we consider here
todayActually reduces density from
existing zoning?
>>That is true.
>>Is it also true that it reduces
building height the existing zoning
that exist today.
Is also true.
>>Those are important to recognize, it
actually reduces these things compared
to the existing zoning. On the wetlands
, would you say from your professional
opinion thatMost of the existing
wetlands out there that are little
pockets here and there that are mostly
degraded wetlands, others of high
quality ones, mostly they are degraded
and they will be replaced at a 1.5:1
ratio for the wetlands complex. Are you
saying that's also true?
>>That is true.I am not a wetlands
biologist.
>>Understood.
>>We did walk the site with the
wetlands biologist and with the
scientist from the California Department
Of fish and wildlife, the Micmac went
out there on that trip. I believe you
were there on that trip, I believe
members of the public were there on
that trip, so the biologist did point
out where there were higher quality
wetlandsAnd where there were lower
quality wetlands, And that is really
what started the discussion around the
14 acre set asideThose based upon that
trailAnd having that discussion.
>>Great, thank you for that. I think
there's been a lot of misconceptions
about the wetlands issue in the media,
In social media, etc., were a lot of
common survey that looters andKill off
all landmasses. My understanding is the
proposal would fill some wetlands but
that they are to be replaced at a 1 1/2
to 1 ratio, so there'll actually be
more wetlands that exist now in terms
of acreage and they would be all
concentrated into what I consider as a
wetlands expert very high quality
wetlands complex in the Western thirdOf
the developable area and furthermore,
along Heller Road in McKinleyville
Avenue, this being ditches that have a
live streamRunning unit year round down
to the railroad in McKinleyville Avenue
which makes its way out to Hiller Park,
Etc.The proposal is to actually pull
that stream out of the ditches and run
it through the wetlands complex which
also has tremendous value to that
complex in terms of habitat value,
functionality, and all that. That also
would provide an opportunityTo fill
that existing ditch, the drain should
be rerouted through the complex and by
filling that ditch, curbs, gutters,
sidewalks could be added to
McKinleyville Avenue to complete what
is the only missing section of the
sidewalk on McKinleyville Avenue. So
That also seems to be very positive
aspectJust to clarify.
>>That is true.
>>Thank you very much.
Before we go to supervisor Bohn
>>You heard it on recording. I want to
remind people on Zoom we are going to
be going to public comment and that the
zoom as you are listening is a little
bit delayed, solicited to your device
which would be her phone for the prompt
from KayleeToI meet you, do not listen
to your TVOr wherever you are streaming
it, please turn that off, we are going
to go to supervisor bold for a
clarifying question to Director Ford.
>>I will never beAn expert on anything,
it's obvious.Baseball. Actually I was
on the committee to build Hiller Park
For five years, and that's been opened
how many years, very successful, I
remember that's with the town center
startedIs when they sold the property
from the old McKinleyville ParkAnd
grandma Sullivan, sorry.I saw part fees,
Is that going to be per unit?
>>Yes.
>>That will be quite substantial.
>>Yes.
The noise mitigation,We are saying 2 dB
is it very much, but a lot of cannabis,
a lot of everything else, one decibel
was the end of the world.
>>That's why significance.
>>We usually use significant impacts as
a weapon. We are not using them that
way this time. I'm not against the life
plan of Humboldt.I do like it could be
22 in use, but I did notice that at the
end, another developerIs actually going
to put 60 unitsOf workforce are low
income housing, is that the way I
understand it?
>>43 units of workforce housing, yes.
>>Okay. I know this is been going on
for a while, I will bring it out, the
McKayTractor bike tracks and everything
else, that's 325 units, they started
out as 327 family homes is down 100 and
quarter.
Putting it in realistic compared to
Caltrans is the Heller Road interchange
a possibility considering there is
alreadyA pretty good significant amount
of interchanges already, It looks like
it's pretty narrow to put one in there
without a lot of, I think it takes out
a soccer field.
>>I don't know that they are looking at
the north side, I think it's only North
offIn South on.
>>Okay.
>>I can't comment on what the
likelihood of it is. It's still in the
beginningPhases of discussion, I think
there's
>>Did they roll their eyes or clap
their hands? I'm just wondering.Anyway,
I don't know how possible it is.
Obviously I am not an expert.And then
are we commenting on the road?
>>Sure.
>>I would go to public comment, because
I've got so many off-line phone calls.
I spent a lot of time in McKinleyville
and have a lot of friends up there and
I've talked to a lot of the businesses
The green section where the case may be
, The business community doesn't seem
to be relishing it quite as much.Time
flies now, but it hasn't been that long
ago, I remember the green pavement,
that was the first place we useRead
pavement that doesn't seem that long ago
, And a lot of theLogic, in my terms,
I've been here 71 years, product by an
Lot of input into the traffic. Do we
have a full-blown traffic study on
this? I think the planning commission
suggested that we have a full-blown
traffic study.
>>Yes, we do.
>>Okay, so the planning commission was
asking for something we already had?
>>I am not sure how much there were. In
fairness
>>I would hope they would be aware of a
lot of it.
>>The Micmac, want to be fair here. The
Micmac recognized that the operational
analysisWould not be part of the CEQA
analysis.But before they were willing
to make a recommendationOn the overall
town center, They wanted to know what
the impacts of the road were. So we did
that as part of the EIR.And so we
provided it, they reviewed that, the
little table I put up thereIs a table
of the summary of the impacts on the
intersectionsAndSo for the project area
intersections, that's absolutely
(INAUDIBLE). I think what they're
looking for and interpreting some of
the comments that were made in the
planning commission is moreOf a
systemic McKinleyville wide approach to
traffic.And that wasn't the purpose of
that study, But I'm not sure that you
do something like thatUnless you are
thinking traffic fees.
>>Okay,And this doesn't mean to be any
detriment to anything else, but we did
a big bicycle lane or whatever on a
Chennai Street, Which was a pretty
major aspect, And I don't know what the
results are.But I live in cotton, I
travel that 2 to 3 times a day, And I
have counted a total of 17 bikes. This
is just me what I drive it, I keep
track of my pickup, 17 bytes total, 11
on the sidewalksIn J Street still gets
a lot more traffic because everybody
tells me why would you go down H and I
when you can have J Street with wide
lanes? I don't know if we can consider
that a success.I don't see the success
on one side, my issue is I am afraid
for their restaurants and residents
that are going to have another
experiment that at the end goes, well,
that doesn't work.
>>I'm sorry, do you have a clarifying
questionOr can we go to public comment
and come back?
>>Yes, I do. Do you think this is the
best popular route, the road diet,
there's a lot of speculation?
>>SoIn short, I will say I think this is
Then give it a lot of thought, I think
that it has tremendous upside for the
community.I've been a planner for more
years that I feel comfortable sayingAnd
As long as I have been a planner, This
is been a discussionIn terms of moving
away from the traditionalFour-lane
high-speed arterial to slowing traffic
downIn creating a more pedestrian scale
For business and people who lived
there. The communities that have done
thatHave found their businesses are
actually more successfulBecause people
are just driving through very fast,
they are now going there, they are
stopping, they are staying, while they
are staying, they are spending money.
So many communities are making that
switch.And so this is something to try
to get aheadOf a town that has really
grown upStarted this may be a wide spot
in the road, and now wants to see a
town center. So how do you begin to
create a placeThat is an attraction
point, that people want to come and
be.
>>With these improvements of the town
center, I have one other question like
this, with the video littleFinancial
involvement like we ask of other
Developments all the way through to
even wedding venues we want them to
make all the improvements to the road?
Is there going to be due financial
investment in there? The only other
thing I ask is54 years ago, I remember
With Callan ready to go horseback riding
. I was like, I ride horses all the
time. I lied. I remember running full
blast hanging down the middle of
Central Avenue, we just gone by the
side that I was praying to God
(INAUDIBLE), but is there still an
equestrian trail to the east of central
thatThis 20 foot wideThat would be
accessible to use completely separate
trafficAnd then the people use the
arterials to come onAnd I don't know, I
have been on it but like I said, that
was a long time ago.
>>Not aware of that, I'm going to
address that first and then get back to
your question on finances. I know there
is still a bridal trail, crushed granite
On the sidewalk that goes up central.I
have seen one horse on itIt all the
time I've been in McKinleyville.In
fairness, I am a resident there.
>>It should have been there 54 years
ago.
>>In terms of the finances,The
Towncenter ordinance was very clearThat
DevelopmentOf Central Avenue is not the
responsibilityOf the property owners
along Central Avenue. It needs to be
done with alternative financing.
>>Thanks, John.
>>So there are plenty of seats, I see
openIf people standing want to take a
seats, you're welcome to stand, just
want to remind everybody that you can
probably be a long day of public
comment, so if you feel comfortable
trying to find a seat, that would be
okayAnd then we have a couple more
clarifying questions for board members
and we will go to supervisor WilsonAnd
then to supervisor Madrone, want to
remind zoom again that that would be,
public comment will come to zoom first
and they will have folks line up in the
room to make their public comment here
in the room. Supervisor Wilson,
clarifying only, please.
>>This has to beWith the question from
supervisor Madrone around the Haas
housing density. This reduction in, if
there's overall reductionI was just
wondering if how that impactsOur arena
and analysis? For anyone who doesn't
know, that's regional housing needs
allocations.
>>Thank you for asking that, that was
something we struggled with becauseWe
were not allowed to take away the
potential to build houses.What the
justification given is is that by doing
this on a comprehensive scaleIn
addressing the whole area and
addressing it with an environmental
analysis,It actually makes development
and housing easier, So all the
potential is to hire, the actual
ability is lowerFor people to come in
to do it because they don't have a plan
or an IRAnd they don't have a path
forward.
>>Just clarifying,Thinks that's a
reasonable analysis?
>>We haven't been challenged on that.
>>Okay, were great, thank you.
>>Supervisor Madrone?
>>Thank you, chair. So the Hiller Road
clarification, was contracted "contacted
by Caltrans because they are preparing
to do some retrofit work on pillars
over past over Highway 102 "OverpassOn
Highway 101. It dawned on me that if we
could have a southbound on-ramp and
northbound offramp at Hiller Road it
would be a game changer for
McKinleyville to have that accessRight
there in the middle of the community
and directly off filler where the town
center is proposed to be built. So in
that retrofit consideration we brought
the counter is and Tom Manson, public
works church was there as well as
Representatives from the CST, it has a
pipeline day off that bridge crossing
over and this is a measureThere would
be no impact to the pipeline, which was
good to hear. Caltrans was extremely
excited, the staff there sentWow,
that's a great idea. The reason there
aren't ramps right there is because
it's too close to the school Road
interchange in terms of there has to be
a one-mile separationIn terms of design
parameters for Caltrans, but just like
for the true that her injury is repose
and change of to Trinidad which is way
closer than one while to the Trinidad
interchange, Heller could get an
exemption just like the one in Trinidad
and so they are adding to their listTo
consider look atDesign parameters, flow
servers, second editionAnd so I wanted
to share with the community Caltrans
thought that was a very good suggestion
and it would be doable just like the
interchange and Trinidad has become
doable. I wanted to clarify that,
because again having that on an offer
of right there in the middle of the town
could be incredible and it can be done
without taking the land. Would be a
little moreExpensive to do a bridge
like on-ramp and offramp. But it is
total wolf "toady "totally feasible
without taking private property. That
was important to me and I wanted to
share that that is the discussion that
we had. Thank you.
>>Supervisor Bohn?
>>I agree with them, that would be the
extreme game changer. Maybe it's as we
are looking at this with you should get
more of a commitment from Caltrans to
be actually doing this, because they
are looking at around about and eight
elk River, I like a lot of things but
actuallyActually instituting the team
is an action is, in the near road "if
Heller Road does get those off, and
does make a big difference and maybe we
don't need the road diet and all it
would be amazing if we did them both
and realize wide we do that, it's a
bigger problem? I agree and thanks for
that information.
>>So I also, John, Tom is here, Our
director for public works, I didn't
know if theApplied to add anything??
Good morning, Tom.
>>And warning. So I looked at this in
detail andThe suggested traffic
improvements need to be done if you're
going to do the road dietAnd the one
thing that was brought up is the Hiller
interchange, but it's generally
interchangesIn the communities that
become the property or the
responsibility of the local agency to
move through the system at Caltrans
comes in later, so that would be
something that we wouldIf the board so
chose we would have to go probably
through age, can get some funding to do
the studies. Caltrans did commit that
whatever work they do nowWill not
preclude the on and off ramp, so that's
as far as they have got on the study
but as you probably see, Fortune is
moving ahead with their interchange
projects of the Caltrans Highway,
Arcata is moving ahead with two of
theirs, to rancheria is moving ahead in
this day and age Caltrans doesn't do
that kind of work anymore in the local
agencies. It's generally the local
agency that does that so just a word of
caution on that, that is a game
changer, I believe, we haven't done the
traffic study, but that would make a
very big change in the trafficAnd might
even mitigate some of the other
Recommendations that have come up if
you go with the road diet. That's what
I have to add. Thank you.
Thank you, Tom. Supervisor Arroyo?
>>We have had the half mile section of
Central Avenue that we are talking
about today.
>>We did Central McKinleyville killer
railroad, Murray.
>>Thank you.
>>Thank you, that's what I wanted to
clarify, thanks.
>>I have one clarifying question. You
know most of the opposition I have seen
is around the road diet. OppositionAnd
for is around the road diet,If it is
excluded what does that do to the
project?
>>I think from the standpoint ofMost of
what's propose it does not have a big
Change. We think the things that it
does doIs that there's the opportunity
here, and this is one of the things
that the Micmac struggled with, the
idea of place making,Want to have entity
For the center "and identity. You want
to have it be two-part or one, part of
the desire was to create a better
connection between the east and west
side of Central to narrow that down a
little bit, making pedestrian crossing
will saferBut those are policies out of
the community plan as well.Or do you
want to haveIn arterial running through
the middle of what's the town center?
And then if you have that, then you
really continue with the form-based
code on the town center and what we end
up happening is people aren't as likely
to reinvest in those propertiesThat are
all central.
>>Okay. So we are going to go to public
commentRight before I have a question
for you, soAs an opportunity for an
applicant, applicants to speak, and
where would you like that process to
happen?
>>I think the applicant in this case is
the county.
>>Okay.
There are property owners, but I would
Recommend that you give everybodyAn
equal amount of timeAnd if you wantTo
ask property owners particular questions
, that can be done.
>>So the boardCan come back to ask
clarifying questions of any public
speaker. That will happen at the
conclusion of public comment. So if one
of the board members wants to bring
some wood backup to the podium or on
Zoom, that is going to be allowable
actionFrom this board. To start with
public comment, if the board is done,
Is the board done, I have any work
clarifying questions? Okay. So we are
going to start, I ask that you back up
just a little bit
[LAUGHING]
It's okay, we're going to go to Zoom
first, and then will come to the
podium, so we are going to start,
Kaylee is going to manage our due
process,So I will start with Kaylee.
>>Thank you, share. Caller 7718, I will
unmute you and you will have two
minutes.
>>I hope you can hear me, it's Kent
Sawatzky calling from Mexico,
(INAUDIBLE) taking the time to call
him. I do not support at this time
particularlyThe road diet, I hope
(INAUDIBLE) you're basically putting
the road died on the roads, Arranging
old steroids and bulking up.Both of
those would be a critical mistake.
McKinleyville and its traffic area,
it's kind of all the advantage of shock
and awe.Four lanesDown the middle lane
where you can utilize from lane to lane
. I strongly suggest you move forward
with the rest of this projectAnd
(INAUDIBLE) studies(INAUDIBLE) your
community services District. Thank you
for my opportunity to speak.
>>Thank you. Caller 4376, I will unmute
you, and you will have two minutes.
>>My name is Kelly Garrett, the
ordinance represents a developmental
health and safety in deviations from
the general plan, They promise a town
center and delivered something far
less, no coordinated transportation
plan, no civic space and noProtection
of wetlands or the rural character.This
It begins and ends with transparency,
the Micmac (INAUDIBLE) task force
public Mohs notice,The public had far
less than 72 hours to review. Even the
public records and been months ago to
Document the policy of unanswered
Addressing. PEIR was pushed forward by
the public who had a chance to respond
and the ordinance was 6.4 required bent
wetlands built prior to subdivision
directly cuts the protections of policy
15 in the community plan while Publix
Has fixated on the road diet, there is
a relocation clause without a hearing,
that's not planning, that's avoiding
peer can can still be received, I asked
the boardToRelease the wetland caused
certified the SBIRFor wetlands
relocationAnd project development and
require at least 1 acreOf space of the
town center actually serves the
community. Thank you.
>>Wesley, can I have you kind of curve
around some people that are outside can
come in and hear the public comments?
There you go, thanks so much.Come
forward so you can hear the public
comments, that way we are not repeat a
bunch of stuff.Everybody will have an
opportunity for public comment, even if
you are seated and decide you want to,
you can pop up and come forward. That's
not a problem, okay? We will continue
with zoom.
>>Caller 3386, I will unmute you and
you will have two minutes.
>>Hello, this is (INAUDIBLE), I am a
resident of McKinleyville, I know a few
of you on board there, I've seen Elise
a couple of people in the audience
Online that I know.I am unsure
actually, I'm pretty much against
narrowing downCentral Avenue, and I
would like to know how much
consideration has been given to
adjusting trafficIn a wayThat's been
doing on Central, on Miller, Pickett,
McKinleyville Avenue, and Railroad
Drive, creating that spaceWith the
walkable area rather than Central
Avenue,. Some considerations need to be
done to make that a more walkable
crossover, but I really, I am inferior
in favor of creating a reallyBuying
town center area. But I get that taking
a look at some of these other roads is
the option create that would be an
impossible experience.How is added
traffic and what is that when new to
the site plan the wall area, we were
going to get a lot of additional
traffic going through there as well.
That's primarily what I wanted to talk
about their. There's other comments I
can make. I'm personally in favor of
adding a duck pond for the wetlands,
Walkable duck pond or something. I know
that's a whole other can of worms,
that's all I've got, thank you.
>>Thank you, caller 3678, I will unmute
you, and you will have two minutes.
>>Hello, my name is Jennifer call and I
live in McKinleyville. First I want to
thank everyone who was involved in
adding the bike lanesOn Heller Road
which I wrote on yesterday to go to the
grocery store.I saw mom with the young
kid biking on that road. Supercool,
thank you. I want to thank the McMackin
County staff for putting so much time
and effort into this ordinance for the
past six years in the community members
to help develop this. It's not perfect,
I would like to see some different
things, but I really urge the board to
adopt the McKinleyville Towncenter
ordinance as written. It reflects
Collaboration and compromise achieved
after many public hearings. I've
listened lived inMcKinleyville since
1972 and I was thrilled whenBackSo
(INAUDIBLE) what we are dealing with
now on Central Avenue is the cumulative
effects of individual subdivisions that
the county approved without considering
traffic impacts, And somebody said at
the last hearing the planning
commission hearingThat it's Broadway in
Eureka and we really don't need that in
McKinleyville, we need a safe way to
walk and bike. The central Avenue
redesign will be good for businesses
and for people who live and work in
McKinleyville. Even if you drive you
become a pedestrian the minute you step
out of your car, so please support the
mix Max "BRIC's recommendation and the
ordinance has written. Thank you very
much. "BRIC's "BRIC's "Micmac's.
>>Next color, you will have two minutes.
>>Hi Matt, this is Carol (INAUDIBLE), I
am a McKinleyville resident. I want to
say to McMackinSupervisors, thank you
for a really great discussion. I want to
Say that I am 100%In support of a place
making for McKinleyville.The strategies
that are going into it, Over years of
publicInput and study is incredible. I
moved to this area a couple of years
ago from the South Bay, Where I saw like
What is being done inCamino Real,To try
and make that a place making effort, I
know it's been done in (INAUDIBLE), I
just want a number of cities is that
haveDone traffic calming measures which
is bit that people do stay in the
community, they don't leaveAnd what
Central Avenue is right now is a good
example of those, It's a highway to the
City, where pedestrian schoolchildren
and people want to get out of their cars
, we have a lovely area, will have a
lot of climate refugees coming to the
area, And we really need to support
People being outside of a car, Set your
sort of viewpoint.What I heard today is
there's a lot of research being done is
start traffic so that as well and that
from the wetlands planAnd I am someone
that works both in energy and
environment, Experts have concern
confirm that the plan that is in place
as a great plan and even betterAnd what
is currently available.
>>Apologies, your time has run out. I
am moving to the next caller.8336, will
unmute you, and you will have two
minutes.
Caller 8336, you have been unmuted.You
can try to press *6 if it's not working.
Okay, chair, that is all I have on Zoom.
>>Can you hear me?
>>Yes, I can hear you.
>>Oh my goodness, that was an ordeal.
Thank you. Here goes.I am not aloneIn
wondering if the we can leave it will
advisory committee and planning
committeeHave carried any real weights
at all. Many eventsAt the Towncenter
plan have a small percentage because
they signed up forAffordable housing
units. Director Ford told Micmac this
is a very complicated difficult issue
and should be table for another time.
We disagreed stating that California
has templates designed for various
counties to do this easily. Within 6000
people that are going to be movingInto
McKinleyvilleDon't have that time to
waste. We can Louisville, A quick table
district, anyway, we were annoyed. Can
leave 16,000 people, But less than 1%
of the population who participated
here, that's concerning, especially
since 33% increasedThe room of theAnd
now living and working in the town
center. From my recollection of reading
about this project, this plan was
largely an addendum to the developer's
original requestIn life plan. I have
heard the way it's done, approval first
, make adjustments. We, the public, are
asking for adjustments and the
developer is requesting full
ministerial control and that is an
extremely irresponsible plan given the
size and nature of this project. Please
allow life plans, that's not a
question. But justAdded projects,That
needs to be a new Prague Jack. Humboldt
County is now considered climate Haven,
It's growing, that's inevitable, but if
you want your input there's a trust
issue as to whether we will be heard.
For the record
>>Sorry, you have run out of time, I am
moving to the next caller, 4509, you
will be unmuted and have two minutes.
>>In morning, can you hear me?
>>Yes.
>>Hi Matt, thank you for the two
minutes. My name is Sequoia husband, I
live in McKinleyville, I have lived
here since the early 90s back, raise my
children here and I am callingTo
understand a little bit moreAboutThe
development I've been trying to plug in.
Was confusing we could, if I can get
some clarity or understanding of the
timelineAt this development, is this
something that is supposed to be
developed prior to the Townsend
development or something developed
along with? Because I feel like if it's
something that doesn't have any pride
hard to release or understand how this
reduction of the roads will work in
stateBut possibly really doing since.
As far as her being creative, it would
with the changes they are making. I
like the idea of slowing down the
traffic and walk ability and how it
could create this community center, But
not by creating congestion which is the
way it is right now, it just seems like
it will create congestion.I think the
Heller Road discussion is something
that seems like it's ideal(INAUDIBLE)
and housing looks, wantSincerity around
the Taliban of the road diet and then
the only other thing I really want to
ask to get information on would be how,
That has the isPeople in community have
been looking into his dollars Inc. for
the situation with theHow much money is
that we get to the Neighborhood so much
(INAUDIBLE).
>>Your time has run out and that is all
of zoom.
>>We will give youOne more chance on
Zoom to raise your hand. If your
listing on your phone and you want to
make a comment, please raise your hand.
>>Caller 4615, I will meet you and you
will have two minutes. "Unmute
>>Is it on?
>>Yes.
>>Dennis Mayo, McKinleyville. First off,
a lot of things about safety, safety,
central AvenueSupport the town center
concept, all the work you guys are
doing there, have at it. Central Avenue
Was rated by the insurance agencies
Association of CaliforniaAs the fifth
safest BoulevardOf its traffic in "The
fifth safestIn California. On the west
side, get rid of the ridiculous bridal
path. The damn thing has never worked.
Remove that path, wide that out, to
reduce the vegetation somewhat, you
have plenty of accessOf people with
modality issues that go over onto,
That's the side, I apologize. On the
west side, fix the sidewalks. Just
spend some time, fixes sidewalks,
you're going to have everything you need
if you will doAndEntranceTo the
(INAUDIBLE) I will tell you why did the
BRIC vote in a split vote for the three
lanes, because they ignore public.
People did not like it, do not like it,
and that's a bad deal. We helped create
that MicmacSo you would listen to the
public, notTake off on their own
specific agendas. Okay?Let's see, is
there anything else? How much time do I
have, seven seconds, thank you, I hope
you will consider my comments.
>>Thank you. That is all, chair.
>>Okay, I'm going to close public
comment on the zoom and we are going to
start within the room. Please come
forward, good morning.From a good
morning, Madam Chair and members. Been
a long time, butLooking where I sat for
10 years where you sit, it's good to be
back in the Board of Supervisors
chambers, I am Wesley chess borough, a
resident of McKinleyville and my wife
and owner are "Wife and I are property
owners in McKinleyville. I support the
Micmac and the plan they have
recommended, it's been unanimously
adopted with the planning commission
with regards to high density housing
and with regard to traffic calming. I
drive up and down central almost every
day to go to the post office or the
grocery store or church, I am willing
to sacrificeMy time going into the
shopping center if it makes the "If it
brings safety. I was pulling up in the
right-hand lane with one of those
flashing safety crosswalks were two
teenagers were walking outAnd to my
horror looked at my left hand mirrors,
racing forward he didn't see the
teenagers, they didn't see me and those
teenagers escape death by a couple of
inches right in front of me. As one of
the most horrifying driving experiences
I've ever had.So there is no reason why
the thorough fare for the McKinleyville
has to have the same widthAs South
Broadway, Highway 101 with the 10 times
the amount of traffic. A lot of people
are saying slow us down, that's the
point, to slow it down. We have many
disabledPeople including my wife in
McKinleyville who need to get across
Central Avenue and it is a challenge. I
am here to advocate for a more complete
community and a safer community,
municipal advisory committee to put
years worth of work and I support what
they have a topicAnd what the planning
commission has unanimously
recommendation "recommended.
>>Thank you.
>>Good morning. Brenda Rosoff, LIFO
McKinleyvilleResident peer, against
this road diet.When this was done a
couple of years ago, we hadConstruction
on Central Avenue, Central Avenue at
different times was down to one, I'm
sorry, two, sometimes three lanes.When
we came home we were backed up onto the
freeway.I'm going to take 299, come up
Azalea, get bank car all scratched up.
This plan can't go forwardAn Pete until
you do the professional comprehensive
traffic study, the current one. The
last one you did has been thrown around
by Micmac when it benefits them but
it's been thrown out when it doesn't
benefit them. By understanding, I
looked at it, I did not recommend the
road diet. That was not their
recommendation.
Let's see here.Edge of the sidewalk,
yesterday, to wear thoseShrubs are, is
just under 19 feet. Thanks of the out
put a little cement barrier in.We got
tons of room to work with that right
there. Right now, we don't even have
the two lanes. When I go home and I'm
going to Saturday night, the traffic is
already backed up in the one of the
lanes and it gets pretty far backed up.
You're going to create a horrible
bottleneck. Older folks can even get
across there right now. They will never
get across. Going down from four lanes
to two lanes of the little strangeI
haven't even gotten number two yet. I'm
totally against the spiritPeer
>>I'm sorry.
>>In morning, ma'am. Payment hi Matt,
good morning.
>>I am and Lindsay, President of life
land and a McKinley mill resident
there's some life plan Humboldt
supporters who may not be able to.
>>Please address the board.
>>, I want plan supporters to raise
their hands because they may not all
get a chance to speak.We actually
reported 10,000 volunteer hours the
last two and half years was a real
community project. I have regularly
attended the Micmac for the last 3 1/2
years since life plan Humboldt set our
sights on building a vibrant senior
community in the McKinleyville
Towncenter, And alongsideAnn, we plan
for community and following the plan
including wetland management and
enhancement will become an economic
driver for the future town center
development. We made a partnership of
rural community housing for senior
affordable or low income housing, so it
meetsA real need in the community and
thus in an effort of the goal of the
board all along. There is no other
developmentThat is had searched the
whole town centers at such attention
from citizens, and surpassing any
design review committee that I've ever
heard of.. ParticipantsOur stage for
public input. I urge you to follow the
recommendations, the planning
commission, Micmac, and the planning
department, certified the EIR,Support
the ordinance, have courage, we want to
get the development going. Thank you.
Good morning, sir.
>>I am Charles Perkins from
McKinleyville. I strongly support the
town plan and the road diet. My
grandkids walked down Central Avenue to
go to school and it's scary. I do all
my shopping there and I sprinted across
Central Avenue many times and it's
scary. Something should've been done 30
years ago and I strongly supportIt be
done now. Beyond that, if McKinleyville
is going to become a town as is being
discussed, proper town, he needs to
have an identity. We're not going to
have a whole town but even Trinidad
Blue Lake have a sense of identity and
the road diet is essential to create
that. I'm convinced that when you do
thingsIt increases. I strongly support
their road diet and I hope you will
approve it.
>>Thank you, good morning.
>>Hi, my name is Kathleen Clark and I
am a resident of McKinleyville. I used
to live on Dallas PrairieIn the 1890s
and now I live off Hammond Trail and I
am a huge supporter of life plan. I
grew up in San JoseAnd it's kind of not
different from humble. It started off
agricultural and there are some parts
that try to retain that identity. It is
(INAUDIBLE) they had a lot of
congestion and erode diet, 15, 20 years
ago. Transform the neighborhood and
people that were initially very fearful
of it and objected to it have turned
into huge supporters because it
enlivened the neighborhood, the
businesses thrive, restaurants now live
for places their property values have
gone up. Other communities in the
outlying areas all want to replicate it
, Los Gatos, Saratoga, The east side of
San Jose, they find it makes for safer
streets, it makes for, gives a sense of
identity to the area, And I just want
to reassure people that it's scary and
I was initially one of the objectors in
San JoseAnd I'm grateful not to look
back on it and seeWhat an incredible
place it is nowAnd McKinley villas
trying to achieve something similar.
>>Thank you, good morning, sir.
>>Yes, board, thank you for being here,
Director Madsen, Especially you. John
Ford, thank you for saying in our
community. We recognize you live in
McKinleyville. Unmuted history about
Planning of "let me give you planning of
Central Avenue. I was selected by this
board back in 2015, and we worked
tirelessly for four yearsBeginning
Central Avenue the way we wanted. Herve
came to the table on that.. Now we want
to change? How did the essential Avenue
get tied up in this EIR?Okay, when I
was on the Micmac, our priorities were
safety. We helpedProgressOf Measure Z.
Okay? We took on Central Avenue. We did
safe route to schools, which is been
dropped. Go around our schoolsSee how
our roads and sidewalks are. We began
in the town ordinance is a priority.
But that was in our priority. Four
years of planning, Tom Madsen, thank
you, you are there at many meetings,
our county planning, everybody was
there, plenty of meetings and now we
are trying to reverse this. Okay,I have
worked for SH M for 45 years, I have
been involved in these projects, EIR's
traffic studies. You guysWhat are you
thinking.
>>Thank you, sir. Hi Matt, good morning.
>>And willing. When, A lifelong
resident of McKinleyville, went to
school there, were was raise their work
there is a superintendent of northern
Humboldt years and just retired from
Cal poly Humboldt. I am only here to
speak about the road diet. There are
certain things about it, Individuals,
the question is how does it Central
Avenue get tied up in this and the fact
isIn regards to that. Bios is the smart
phone "At the park were saying it
basically makes no sense whatsoever. I
talked to two or three business
members, they are completely opposed. I
think before you jump on this Central
Avenue move, again, we are going to
Bring 6000 more people, whatever,
great, you know what I mean? The point
is you don't decrease the roads and the
size of the road to take care of the
new 6000 people nearby's got two cars,
right?So I would just again thank you
for listening to meAnd I am opposed to
deletion of any of those lanes. Thank
you.
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>In morning.My name is Lori Shepard, a
30+ year resident of McKinleyville and
I've been asked to read a couple of
statements improvement in the air. The
first is from Frank Maguire, his
famously the north bank road, I've
worked for (INAUDIBLE) for 25 years, 15
were in the (INAUDIBLE) Avenue. It used
to be known as the crash meets because
there were so many accidents prior to
the alteration that added lanes north
and south and the addition of
stoplights in a bicycle lane. Those
changes reduce serious traffic accident
, Sharing to each directional creates
serious congestion and increase
accidents from 7 to 9 AM from 330 to 6
PM,. Accidents will increase. The road
died is in the midst of (INAUDIBLE).
This road diet would impede emergency
response from the fire station and from
the Humboldt County Sheriff substation,
there is even a school in the middle of
the planned area. Traffic from
businesses and post office which are
often very crowded are very close to
the emergency response stations.
Imagine fire police agencies and
emergency responders from McKinleyville
and outlying areasTrying to get through
traffic during a disaster. Lives could
be lost. The other one is from Diane
Eric McGuire, it's similar, I don't
think I can read it all and get it in
time, I would like to addThere are many
of us who do not live in areas of
McKinleyville that are walkable or bike
will, the awful Azalea Road, have a
mountain bike, and he bank, I can't get
to the town center without aEndangering
myLife. Fix the other roads first, they
don't help anybody.
>>Thank you.
>>Good morning, I am Alyssa Smith, I am
a lifelong resident of McKinley County.
Rex, I appreciate it, was one of the
first committee members for Eller Park
construction, I believe it because I
moved to blue Lake for a few years and
we surveyed the town of McKinleyville
in my time there and what we
overwhelmingly heard was McKinleyville
did not want to town center, they did
not want a bunch of high density
growth, they wanted single-family
growth and some slower growth. You have
now shamelessly burned McKinleyville
for over 30 years with high density
housing. I left off of Sutter Road,
turn off of it everyday. Whatever the
interpretation here is not, it's
getting more and more difficult to turn
on the Miro when I come home like so
many people experience when they did
shed them to to send of Central Avenue.
I got trapped on the highway because
traffic was backed up from hardwoodTo
Highway 101. Regularly. I felt in
danger and saying on the highwayNobody
in this town supports the road diet. We
understand growth will happen, most are
against this town center. I have been
and sat in onMale meetings and they
disregarded a Lenovo. The committee
itself is appointed by you.It was
headed by a Pearson employee. It feels
like you're not being honest, you're
not with the honest with the community
community for Heller Park years ago,
because you came out and told everybody
of all also a lot of growth. That is
not what the town said. It was any of
you. I know a lot ofPeople in
McKinleyville, they have been here my
whole life and they are very opposed to
this. We understand the development
will happen, this road diet needs to go
away.
>>Thank you.Hi Matt, good morning.
>>And moaning. Llamas are a black. I've
been arrested in Arcata for over 25
years. As a boardOf life plan Humboldt,
The (INAUDIBLE)Is essential for life
plan Humboldt moving forward. Life plan
Humboldt is a nonprofitWith time bound
Funding. Success will be threatened by
further delayIn the schedule.Life plan
Humboldt has been planning and gaining
support in the local community for over
five yearsAnd is ready to start the
building processOnce the EIR and the
Towncenter ordinance is approved.The
most prudentDecision you can make is if
you are in doubt aboutWhat to do about
the red diet, Delay that decision.
Delay the decisionOf the road dietUntil
you can do a traffic study, etc. But go
forward with the EIR and the town center
Ordinance. That's essential.Delay can
very much negatively affectThe
development. Thank you so much.
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>Good morning, board. I'm Greg Mauro
Porcini, I am a resident of the
community services District 535 years
of experience in the public sector.
Full disclosure, I am on the Board of
Directors for life plan Humboldt and
McKinleyville community services
District, I spent from 2012 to this
past February on Micmac also.A lot of
what I had planned to sayWas already
brought upBy aerosol, I am not going to
talk about those things, but to
reiterate what he saidAnd support what
he said. My concern is related to I will
Road diet part of it. I think the board
is an Presbytery year, you can
bifurcate the road diet part of the
process and still passThe rest of the Q
ZoneFor the town center, I would highly
support that. The road dietWill not be
in a vacuum, it's going to have effects
in all McKinleyville, all is fairly
roads in McKinleyville. A lot of the
issues with Central Avenue are not
related to traffic control. It's bad
behavior. You're going to be shunting
that bad behavior onto our roadsAre our
residents live in the neighborhoods and
make it if you think the central Avenue
On the ball(INAUDIBLE) thank you very
much.
>>Thank you. Good morning. Please come
forward.
>>Good morning.My name is Sylvia
Mitchell, Ima McKinley bill resident
and my household is opposed to the road
diet plan.Changes to Central Avenue
will affect McKinleyville's unique
character for generations. Central
Avenue and its shops are part of
McKinleyville's practical identity and
using traffic accessIs needed for
businesses to be successful. A lower
speed limit and the speed bumps would
be substantially less expensive than
restructuring the driving lanes, the
bicycle lanes need clear and regular
paintingBudgeted. Some white posts and
barriers in the crosswalks need more
intensePainting and signaling.
McKinleyville hasWalking areas that are
already here, The Midtown trails
extended to the south, it would be the
envy of it is. Passing through the
developments with tributaries to the
existing shopping plaza, the CEQA farm
stand, the hardwood trail and on to
school Road in the mad River Trail,
pain trails through the west side ofSet
town would be family-friendly into
place for tourists. The new Heller Road
project is a great example of what
could be done to many streets on the
west side of town where roads have
incomplete walkways and edges. It would
be miraculous to make improvements for
bicyclists and walkers on Central
Avenue NorthOf rail will drive and
north of Murray Road "railroad. I hope
there is still time to take a closer
look at improving existing assets in
McKinleyville and spend money there.
Thank you for the opportunity to
speak.
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>In morning, chair, board members, my
name is Mary Burke, I am the current
chair of the municipal advisory
committee. As you heard, the draft
ordinance represents over five years of
public meetings and neck shirt "Lectures
And art recognizesLocal planners. I
want to call out and thank the
administrative support the county has
provided as well as of course Director
Ford's time and commitment to this
process. And I think the hope in the
vision with the ordinances thatOur
community have more abundant the
reverse successful housing in modern
town center that creates an environment
For all people, As a slave. I'm
bringing this for before you closer to
realizing that vision that you hear the
diversion views onCentral at Avenue
planning "Divergent. We need that
comprehensive study, not just for
circulation but multimodal access. On a
call out director Maxon's vision for
bringing forward what we are doing on
Hillard Road that you can go out and see
And how that traffic call me is
functioning, providing this vibrant
area that people will(INAUDIBLE) but
will enjoy passing through Miller Road.
Thank you for your consideration this
matter.
>>Thank you, good morning.
>>Good morning, Chair Bushnell, my name
is Maia Conrad. I've been a longtime
resident of McKinleyville and I've
turned on the Micmac for six years.I
want to thank Director John Ford and
all of his staff for the support and
dedication that they have had through
Holding her hands through so many
meetings on the Towncenter ordinance
and I also want to thank Director Madsen
And his crew, who are out on Saturday
and SundayHelping this community.
Project on Heller Road. Take a walk and
ride your bike and you can experience
what Hilliard feels like, which is a
nice prelude to what this town center
could be.
Now when we started this, we did a lot
of canvassing and there were so many
people who said we want a sense of
place, we want the heart of
McKinleyville and we want a place where
people feel safe, and is one public
speaker said, McKinleyville middle
school isIn the town center. With the
closing Morris we will get a lot more
Traffic of children. We wantKids to feel
Ready to walk and bike to school.As I
represented this community in this
endeavor for the last two years, and not
only looked at our community for today
but also our future generations and as
one public member said in the Micmac
meeting, they said please,Be brave and
voteOf the central Avenue Road diet.
Understands coping andI chose to be
brave and envision a really wonderful
heart of McKinley well for us in the
future. So thank you for considering
this
>>Thank you. Good morning.From a good
morning, my name is Colin Fisk,
Executive Director of C RTP in many of
our more than 850 members and
supporters are McKinleyville residence,
I will "We are deep full grateful "deeply
grateful to Director FordAnd the staff
and to supervisor Madrone without whom
I don't think this would've happened.
We are excited to see the town center
ordinance adopted and we encourage you
to adopt it as written. Regarding
Central, I've written down central many
times on my bike, car speeding past,
inches away, I've had to cross two
lanes of traffic, weight in the middle
of the street to make a left turn into
a business with cars and trucks
speeding by on both sides pulling up in
front of meOn that turn lane, I have
also crossed on foot many times and
been almost hit. It's really not a safe
and welcoming environment to be a
successful Towncenter some things have
to change. I do wish that the current
naysayers to join the processors
earlier because my experiences will
many of the folksWere skipped really
came around once they learn more. I
think the planning commission as you
know recommended adoption of the
ordinance, Just as the Micmac thenIs
Central Avenue changes regarding the
idea of a communitywide transportation
plan, we support that, but as you know
there's currently no money for it and
would take years to develop and I think
it's important for the county not tie
his hands in the meantime so we ask
that if you move for the communitywide
plan that you take it the action
separately or making contingent on
anything in the town center ordinance.
We strongly urge youThe ordinance is
written including the changes. Thank
you.
>>Thank you. Good morning, ma'am. My
name is Jack will hand in the accident
And I have been a resident since the
1980s.The two lanes in each direction,
the visible by claimImproves accessTo
the taxpayers. Due to heavy traffic
Caltrans has advised against reducing
the number of lanes. It's difficult to
cross the street if you are driving
your car and someone is going across
the street and you want to make a
right-hand turn, you back traffic up
Waiting even on a green light. So by
cutting it down there will be no wait
for a person to keep on going straight
throughIf someone is trying to make a
right-hand turn, will back the traffic
up even further.Additionally with the
plans to attract more elderly residents
to the town center, fewer lanes can
obstruct emergency vehicles, creating
hazards for those who need assistance
which would be a death trap. This
change doesn't benefit McKinleyville
residents workers or business owners,
It's unclear who will profit but it's
definitely not the taxpayers, thank you.
>>Thank you. Good morning.I saw you on
the news this morning.
[LAUGHING]
>>Yes,Deborah (INAUDIBLE), concerned
citizen. I know McKinleyville has to
change and will continue to change. I
do think the road diet would be a poor
decision for McKinley bill. John Ford
stated there be two lanes and a turn
lane. The turn lane is only good for
turning left, it doesn't help traffic
making right-hand turns. Merging into
the trafficFrom a side road would be
difficult if not impossible causing
frustration and stupid actions that
lead to accidents. If youFacts, it is
stated there were 17,000 people living
inMac,12,000 people travel from the US
101 exchange throughout the day and a
24 hour period. 83% of people use their
cars on a daily basis. There's a 20
foot public utility easement on the
easterly side that could be better
utilized. It did not recommend for
reduction for Central Avenue but a
multiuse trail. We only have more
people in cars, peopleWould createTo
design "Had to handle heavy traffic.
There used to be more money put in the
infrastructure. The keep saying this
could take 20 years. If they get
funding it could happen sooner. We feel
we haven't been heard through this
process. We get two or three minutes to
voice our concerns or ask questions
which we don't get any feedback on.
They say they have had public workshops
but in the beginning it was turned
COVID. In closing I urge the board to
vote to keep Central Avenue as it is
currently four lanes and in turn lane
with McKinleyville being the in the
county, if incorporated the County
would be the second largest in the
county, maybe it's time for us to
incorporate.
>>Thank you.Good morning, sir.
>>Good morning, board, impact Asari,
resident of McKinleyville, I am also
the general manager of community
services District and a member of
Micmac. I have been authorized to speak
on behalf of the district in support of
the ordinance. The Humboldt County
planning department staff particularly
Director Ford have accomplished an
exceptional task and working with the
MicmacAnd the community to prepare an
extremely well-crafted town center
ordinance. The Townsend ordinance don't
will not only benefit guide
McKinleyville's town center to turn it
into a destination spot but will be an
asset for Humboldt County with improved
housing, community and business
facilities. The ordinance facilitates
the installation of pedestrian and
bicycle infrastructure that will make
killer and Central Avenue much safer
and facilitates trail networks in
McKinleyville and directs the
improvement of wetlands to make them a
source of improved habitat for wildlife
in public and facilitates homes and
workspaces versus promoting ordinance
for level impact undeveloped areas
throughout the county.I will jump
ahead, the district has concerns about
the road diet given that the potential
impacts to theDistricts water sewer and
streetlight infrastructure have yet to
be analyzed, the planning commission
made an excellent recommendation that
the McKinleyville wide sanity be
Conducted in the road diet be reviewed
prior to implementation, MCSE should
also be included in the design review to
maintain the work on infrastructure
safely. The McKinleyville community
services District urges the board to
certified the EIR and adopt the town
center as written.
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>Hello. I'm Michelle burst Donnie, 46
year resident of McKinleyville, city
center, homeowner, a CPA and on the CPA
business in McKinleyvilleAnd I am also
a past director of McKinleyville
community services District. I see two
things wrong with this ordinance.
Number one, it is writtenMinisterial,
and if it's approved the public will no
longer have a say in what happens in
McKinleyville's town center. This is
not only unacceptable but it's also
undemocratic. I think it needs to be
rewritten. Number two is the road and
Central Avenue does not needA diet. And
does not need to go from 5 to 2 lanes.
The 2013 traffic study showed 15,000
cards you Central Avenue every day.
Then using that information, the Micmac
Work tirelessly with residents,
business owners, and transportation
professionals to design the central
AvenueSafety quarter that we have today.
The County design ADA assessable road
crossings in every single crosswalk.
Every crosswalk at stop lights that can
beTime to slow down traffic. It was a
thoughtful community driven process
aimed at improving safety and traffic
flow for everyone.In the 10 years since
his completionThisShow (INAUDIBLE)
along the entire Central Avenue.
Changes in violence in two lanes. Given
the fact that it seems prudentAnd
fiscally responsible to preserve or
expand the five lanes and already have,
Please do not pass this ordinance for
can make Central Avenue less safe and
youPeer
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>Good morning, my name is Judy
Hodgson, I was a reporter for more than
40 years in Humboldt CountyBefore I
retiredFive or six years ago completely.
I covered the Board of Supervisors, the
planning commission, the McKinleyville
services District and the years, want
to take you back farther than 2015. I
coveredThese organizations during the
time that Central AvenueWas built, And
there was a lot ofOpposition at the
time to some of the things, And they're
just like your hearing today.There's a
lot of good in that plan.The
underground utilities, the landscaping,
the, A lot of things are good about
that plan.It was always of bad design,
the five lane highway. It is so huge.
It is difficultTo cross even, it just
takes time to get across that, it is not
pedestrian friendly, was bad design
then and we have enough opportunity now
, I never thought we would see this, we
have an opportunity now to correct
somethingMaybe we didn't do a great job
on last time. They even took out the
beautiful cypress trees in those days
that were traffic calming and they were
lovely.
Anyway, some of the, Okay, 31 seconds,
I can do this.What I want you to think
about today, I am the one that asked
the Micmac to be brave and to prove it.
I am impressed that the McKinleyville
services District is backing this
thing. Mansion means something to you.
On one sideI have people in cars that
are protected. On the other side of
people in Walker'sThis others with
bikes going to school. I asked you to,
I am in the favor.
>>Hi, good morning. Permit good
morning, Board of Supervisors. I have
been before you in the past wearing
different hats. I was a department head,
I decide on Micmac into of the years
we have been in town soon
deliberations. My town isSons saying by
choice. I am inviting us on the board
of the foundation and so speaking to
you today.Our foundation serves the
Residence in McKinleyvilleAnd remain
dedicated to public benefit. The
foundation supports the ordinance
before you today as recommended by the
McKinleyville municipal advisory
committee. This ordinance is the
product of balancing many years of
public input, Professional urban
planning expertise, and careful
deliberation, And it reflects the
vision for the town center that
balances housing, services, open-space
and ecological stewardship. I'm going
cut out a paragraph in the interest of
time. We urge you to adopt the
ordinance as recommended by the Micmac,
Confident that it honors the community
process, protects natural resources and
provides us teamwork for health is a
sustainable(INAUDIBLE)
>>You have 30 seconds left.
>>We believe 6.4 achieves the right
balance by requiring that wetlands be
protected in place or where appropriate
relocated under the safeguards of
county state and federal regulations.
This flexibility combined with strong
oversight ensures protection and a bra
a vibrant walkable place where people
can live, work, and play. Thank you.
Perfect timing.
>>Hello there.
>>Good morning.Supervisor BushnellAnd
the team.My concerns about Central
Avenue.And duties angling.I would write
a track with the trailer, I pull
recycling andI don't know what else to
say butTo John and Tom Madsen, they are
doing the perfect job, butPlease,
Consideration not to put the two lanes
in. Thank you and have a great day.
>>Thank you.Good morning.
>>In morning, thank you for taking the
time to hear us. My name is Nicole
Thomas, I have been a lifelong resident
of McKinleyville since 1975.I think a
lot of us who have been there for a
long time, changes in the issue, we
have seen a lot of change over time, we
have had to. When suburbia came in, I
believe it was a reason for the four
lanes, And as a parent, I have chosen
to stay in McKinleyville and raise my
child there. We have five schools, if
you include McKinleyville, excuse me,
mad River high school, we have a lot of
parents bring their children daily to
school, picking them up from school,
taking in the practice, to games, the
impact of going from four lanes to two
lanes would absolutely make things less
safe in my opinion. There are so many
carsCertain times of day. I know
sometimes a day there are not, but as
was mentioned, Sutter Road is very busy
. It's almost as if there is a light
down by Azalea, the amount of cars that
just flow, it's like they all got a
green light and they're all coming.
It's constant. I've seen the backup up
to Bella Vista hero. There is(INAUDIBLE)
All lanes are full most of the time.
I've heard from my FedEx driver, my son
gets medication that is delivered once
a month and she said central Avenue is
the busiest street in Humboldt County.
Period.A current traffic study I think
is vital, Maybe a broader traffic study
the taking into consideration the
amount of parents, The movement that
happens in that time. The expansion of
Sidewalks is great, there's a lot of
great ideas but keep four lanes, do not
reduce to two.
>>Thank you. Good morning.
>>In morning. My name is Bonnie
McGregor, I am a resident of
McKinleyville for 20 yearsAnd have
participated in trying to get the
ordinance to even be discussed, so I am
very grateful it's gotten this far and
thank you, supervisor Madrone, for
bringing it forward and thank you to
John Ford and his staff for all the
work that's been done. I want to talk
about something else. I was waiting to
the end of the comments about Central
Avenue becauseThis ordinance is the
last time that the citizens of
McKinleyville will have any say,
Officially, about what happens to the
future of our town, and that sense of
placeIs very important to a lot of
people. We reflect many different
attributesOf who this place is, and to
me, one of the most important things is
that we have a space, we have enough
open space where we can come together
and experience thatIn the built
environment. Central Avenue is always
going to go through the center of town,
No matter how fast it's going, it's
just a fact in Pearson Park is on the
east side, you can't see it from
Central Avenue, and that's our civic
area, but the built space on the west
side, which now will be on the and
Pearson foundation landIs designated
only 20,000 ft. minimumAs the mandated
Public space. I'm asking you to put it
in, change the ordinance to say at
least an acre. I have a felt sense of
the difference between 1/2 acre and an
acreAndLiving in a rural area I think
you all do too. So to have a sense and
build it around, Because the space has
to be determined before the project
goes forward if we only have 1/2 acre
it will never be more. So thank you.
>>Thank you.Hi Matt, welcome.
>>Hi, I am Twyla Sanchez and currently
sit on the Micmac, And I have lived in
McKinleyville my whole life, And I just
kind of want to stick up for the Micmac
a little bit. I know myself, We
received a lot of letters, a lot of
people came to the MicmacTo voice their
opinions on many parts of the town
center, And the letters were read, the
emails were readAnd what I did was I
highlighted what I thought was their
main pointsAnd I did give people who
live in McKinleyvilleA little more
priority than people who wrote letters
who lived in other areasThat shopped in
McKinleyville, say,And it's pretty
50/50, we are pretty much split on this
issueI was one of those that opposed it
and then IAfter reading all the letters
and listening to the commentsI did
change my mind and the main thing was
safety. I heard safety, safety, safety,
peopleWalking along there, are riding
their bikes along Central Avenue do not
feel safe, and a lot of people don't
ride their bikes in the green space,
there up on the sidewalks.And I am just
really happy that McKinleyville is
getting the humble commonsAnd though we
are housing programs in McKinleyville,
I think that's two great things for
McKinleyvilleAnd my biggest issue is
open space, I don't think we have
allotted enough open space in the town
center. This was supposed to be the
heart.
>>I'm sorry, ma'am, your time. Thank
you so much. Hi. Good morning. If
you're going to make a public comment
and you're still sitting in the
audience, if you could line up diet we
would appreciate that.
>>Julie Wilkerson, a lifelong resident
and a business ownerIn McKinleyville
and I move my business there because I
was so excited about the potential of
that communityHow many people have
unfortunately had not so pleasant
things to think about it, I think
McKinleyville is a great place, I shop
there, I still findThe new projectsIn
the life plan humble, very exciting
projects but there are many things
going on that are about community and I
urge you to go ahead with this, there's
been a lot of community input,More than
any situation I can remember in
Humboldt County and the wonderful thing
is is it is about building community
and keeping people safe and what could
be more important than that? I hope
that you move forward and support all
the work that's been done. Thanks.
>>Thank you. Good morning, sir.
>>In morning. Randy some burden.
Fourth-generationMcKinleyvilleResident.
I am an expert holding people up in
traffic situations. I would offer up to
you folks the same thing offered the
planning commission. When we recently
did a water line projectFor the
McKinleyville services District, we had
more complaintsComing through our
office about reducing Central Avenue
down to one laneDuring our
construction. Then other any other job
I have ever had, so I would like to
offer upTwo, three, four, five, days of
traffic control so you guys can see
what it looks like. We had traffic
backed up over Bella Vista and on the
north end of McKinleyville as well.I
would hate to see this thing Central
Avenue is already two lanes at one time
and I feel like we are going backwards
if we voted for it. Thank you.
>>Thank you.Good morning, sir.
>>Good morning, Tim Wood,
McKinleyville. On echo what Randy said.
And what Greg Orsini said, may be
separate this process out because most
people are kind of in favor of the town
center. Life plan Humboldt, all that
stuff,That's all good. It's just the
road thing, we are concerned about
safety on the adjacent roads.Where I
live, that's what we are worried about.
The other thing is what supervisor
Wilson brought out about what triggers
these things, if you think about what's
on Central Avenue, that area, this was
already built, I think there's one
empty lot in there. The whole place, if
you come down from the school,Natural
foods, the bank, fire department,Pet
store, And it's all built. When you
going to go up against that curve?This
is 80 years, I don't know when people
start tearing down buildings, take this
out of itAnd look at what's going to
happen to it, all the rest of us that
aren't going to feel safe in her
neighborhood to because they're making
it safer on that road. There's a lot of
room up there to do different
configurations without pushing traffic
out of our way. Appreciate that.
>>Thank you.Good morning, sir.
>>Good morning. David Enos, I have been
in McKinleyville for not quite 35
years, Humboldt County for over 50
years.I know I don't look old enough.
[LAUGHING]
I taught architectural design at the
high school level for a number of years
, We plan for the town center back in
the '90s, we took that on as a project,
I think what you're doing so far as far
as development of that property is great
and I would like to offer up a
recommendationThat I think might be
palatable for both sides of the aisle,
Is thatThe road issue beRemoved from
the rest of the process for now, And is
this property is developed to see how
the impactsAre affectedBy the trafficIn
the flow of people to and from workIn
the seniors and the kids and the horses
and whatever else you're going to use
on the property, The roadway there, I
thinkTwo easy fixes right now would be
to as Dennis Mayo said do something
about the sidewalk area, because it's
pretty old and needs attention,
Straighten it out, widen it,Get the
bumps and stuff out of there, and then
alsoIgnoring the speed limit in
enforcing it so people aren't driving
fast, because was going to happen is
you close it down, the crazy people
want to drive fast, they are going to
be going on the back streets and it's
going to make it dangerous for others.I
think putting it on the back burner for
nowAnd road studies and seeing how it
plays outWould be a good function at
this point.
>>Thank you. So I have one last person
coming up, if you do want to make
public comment, please mosey on over to
the doorway there and get in line and
then we're going to finish up public
comment. Please come forward, sir.
>>Thank you for having me. I love
seeing everybody from McKinleyville.
It's just such a sense of community. My
wife and I love everything goes on there
, the concerts they have, the Chamber
of Commerce, what they do. I've heard
from a lot of different people and I
get the 50/50 split, but it sounds like
you are probably going to take care of
the traffic situation and study it
more. The community center is such a
fantastic idea, it looks like it's got
to happen. I think it's just got to
happen in my wife and I both look
forward to that, we own our home in
McKinleyville, we do walk across that
street and you almost have to run
sometimes, but depends on what time of
dayAnd I just hope it goes forwardAnd
thanks for your public service,
everyone, I think that's soImportant,
you get more and more young people to
continue to get involved. Public
service.That's it.
One quick one.
[LAUGHING]
I used to commute, it took forever,
that two lane went forever all the way
through the town, it was no big deal.I
got used to it. Thank you.
>>Thank you.Okay, you are our last one.
[LAUGHING]
>>Ellen Brown. Lifelong Humboldt County
resident, I have had a home in
McKinleyville for four years.We all
know it has to grow. You can't have an
urban areaAnd a rural area, Same thing,
We want to keepThe village, But can't
do that with four stories of buildings.
On the road diet,You have to consider
the buses that use the road, people
have to get around those, the trucks
for those buildings, work in a doctor's
office and we have a lot of older
people that are now cutting up and
going around Holly already. If you take
it toTwo lane center turn lane, They
are going to be in trouble.Even though
they drive really well, The ones that
need to have alreadyReverse the driving
that they do. That would make it
unbearable for this people trying to
get in and out. The buses that bring
people fromThe care facilitiesAlready
have problems trying to get across the
street. If youIf you have
bumper-to-bumper traffic there's no
way. They will be going around hauling
everything too. I've already talked to
them about that. There's got to be a
balance, it's just that we half to find
it. Doesn't need to go back to Micmac
and help themResearch a little more?
Maybe that's where we need to start.
Thank you for your time.
>>Thank you. I'm going to close public
comment and at this time, we're going
to take a short recess. I'm sorry, but
the board may also have some questions
of some of the commenters so I hope you
stay, we are going to take 20 minutes,
we get a little angry, So I'm going to
encourage everyone to get some food,
use of facilities and we will be back
on in 20 minutes. Okay? Thank you.
So if you're going to be in the
doorway, you need to go out there or
come in. Thanks so much.Okay, so we are
going to come back and I am going to
clarify any of the board membersIf they
have any of the commenters.It does not
look like it. We are going to go back
to Director Ford.
>>Thank you, chair, would love to just
clarify a couple of things.One of the
comments was made that wetlands would
be able to be relocated and filled with
just an administrator permit. That is
not a true statement. While development
Is allowedWith ministerial approval and
I want to clarify this too,It currently
is allowed with ministerial approval,
that's not a change, but a community
plan identifies it once it's in
development it says without the special
permit which would be a discretionary
permit so it's encouraging not to create
elaboratePermitting processes as part
of the plan. But the wetlands would
require a special permit.There was a
discussion on affordable housing, But
the things I told the Micmac was theIn
order to developIn affordable housing
program it is really a complicated
process and should be addressedOn a
much larger scaleAnd what the Micmac
directed be doneIs that they would like
to start that discussionAmongst the
Micmac and bring a recommendation back
to the board. So I would anticipate at
some point in the future that you will
hear a recommendation from the Micmac
aboutWhether to adopt affordable
housing ordinances, inclusionary
ordinances.And then there was a comment
that the developer asked for
administrative approval. This is not
something the developer asked for. This
comes out of theCommunity plan.And then
there was a desire to understand the
timing of the road diet, And there is
no timing on that. It really is
dependent upon financingAnd as I
mentionedIn my response to supervisor
Bohn, That is going to have to be
funded by other than development.
Because that will be an expensive
Process to undertake is so there's not
currently financingFor it, there's not
Timeline all that, soThe town center
can begin to developWithout the road
diet occurring, and this part of the
decision on the part of theBoard of
Supervisors today is whether or not as
you've been asked several times to to
further the decisions on the road diet.
I just wanted to also identifyThat it's
comforting to ask for additional studies
.But then one of the thingsWith the
deferred decision that I would
encourage the board to ask themselves
this, what would be your tolerance with
results of the additional study, if it
came back and said yes, There will be
diversion of traffic on the streets,
Would that be acceptable? You've
already got a study that says that.And
so if that's something that's
unacceptable andObviously the road diet
should not be considered.If, on the
other hand, there isCriteria placed upon
The fighting a sense of place, defining
what the community center looks like,
recognizing that there will be some
trade-offs involved, Then those need to
be the mitigating circumstances.It
would be appropriate to follow the
recommendation to do additional studies?
And make sure thatThe design this back
to the Micmac and it has been passed
forward that (INAUDIBLE).
>>Okay, I will bring it back to the
boardAnd we'll start having discussion.
He wants to go first?Supervisor Arroyo?
>>I defer for the question to be
asked.
>>Sure, supervisor?
>>This is just, you had mentioned that
in the options forWhat we saw for
cross-sections for the changeIn the road
It is suggestions, There to give
reference, right? They're not actually
the final design, that can change
should be different. I've seen so many
different versions of that throughout
communities that travelSo I was
wondering if that isThe end.
>>No, that's not intended to be the
final design. While it was greatly
influenced by public works, It's not an
engineering design.
>>And then also there was a comment
that someone mentioned, there will be
no right lane turning options, and this
doesn't preclude that.
>>Not only does that not preclude that,
that's part of the recommendation of
the traffic study that I believeIt sat,
I think it's Heartwood thatThere be a
right turnOrdinance at HellerAnd a
three lane section, there should be a
free right term. Correctly
cross-section seen their, the
cross-section it shows likeSeparated
bike path on both sides of the road,
But in some communities they do just
one on one side, there might be parking
on the other side in order to address
Access to storefronts and those sorts
of things. Is that within the framework
Of the potential? We are asking for
what's being talked about his
storefronts and I thinkWe have that
same issue that isThe developmentUp to
the street for would be in place of the
existing parking thereThen you have
buildings behind it maybe. What I'm
getting at is I would like some
flexibilityTo allow some back-and-forth
on those access pointsPeople into the
downtown, be a part of thatAnd in
exchange for reducing the requirement,
The parking minimums, make sure there
is actually some public parking
available as well of that construct. Is
that something that can be discussed in
the future as part of that design work?
>>I would say that really shouldBe
involved with a full on additional
study. One of the thingsThat we backed
away from was having parking on Central
In particularly made that decision when
our traffic consultant said if you
wanted to slow traffic down put parking
on Central and it was like okay, I
don't want to go that far.
>>What I'm getting at is for deliveries
and other things like that, we're going
to have to make sure there is at least
Career, services, I'm just trying to
figure out how this will work. I will
let you guys work that out, I get it.
I'm thinking about so many places where
I have seen, I just want to put out
there there's a great book, install
called confessions of a recovering
engineer, I recommend everybody read
this even if you're not an engineer. It
speaks very clearly to the construct of
And especially in sort of theAmerican
experience of the idea that more and
wider roads bring you prosperityAnd it
does a pretty amazing deconstruction of
that constructAcross a lot of various
Landscape in townAreas and cities as
well.It's really, It just it speaks
very much to why we see the term road
diet, we can make more popularize, that
sort of thing, when I looked at this
Project or I guess what you call it
this Q Zone, The first thing I did
actually was when I dove into this
questionOf the road Diane I basically
made a pretty comprehensive searching
road diet failures. What are road
dial "road diet failures? Where is that
happening, where is that usually
occurring? I can tell you that there
are less failures than there are
Successes that you see in the studies
but in general the failures tend to
occur if there's a threshold of 20,000
Trips a day, it's about where they
begin to occur or whereThere are
certain cautions and design parameters
you might have to think about in terms
of that. That's moving into, That's
almost double what we are talking about
here.In this space. The other example,
the other thing I always think about
when I look at proposals like this is
if the existing condition was as what
is being proposed today, if sort of the
vision was created and actually existed
like there was the three lanes, the
center lane and the turn lanes and
there was nice street skates and there
was buildings up to the corners, Would
we be proposing toDo what's there today
? LikeWould we be sitting here today
like what really needs to change, we
need to remove those buildings, pull it
back, I don't think we would be doing
that.That generally helps meSort of
trying to figure out whether we are
moving in the right direction or not,
if it's perfect or not, it's a whole
another, I think whether we have
certain criticisms and details of that
but in generalAnd sometimes it does
take time and in deference to
(INAUDIBLE), he's right, it takes time,
that is not, Things do not happen
magically or immediately, that's real.
And if we are going to decide to move
forward with something like this,AsThe
institutionGovernment, We are not, they
are not, We are the planningAnd body for
McKinleyville, Good or bad, and I think
that that's the commitment that we
make today, even if it's a split vote,
whatever that is,If that's the direction
That we have to support it, that's what
I'm getting at, we have to provide the
resources to do thatAnd then understand
that the expectation is it brings value
, Not just cultural value, safety value
but economic valueTo that area. SoYes,
Did I mentionLike a place I was
thinking about is like Fort BraggAnd if
you drive through Fort Bragg the
highway narrows down to two lanes and
it goes through, it winds up to four
lanes for just a little while, but if
you look at the difference between
four-lane section and the two main
section, the 29 section certainly has
some congestion in it. But it also has
the thriving storefronts and it has a
communityThat's doing all kinds of stuff
and I just can't imagine askingFort
Bragg to widen that out to four lanes
in that spot if somehow that would make
that community better. And if you
compare that to the section where they
did widen it out to four lanesDown on
the south end of that town, You are
like the ticket running across the road
there, it is really dangerous, the
community is separated from its
oceanfront properties, it has this very
no man's land sort of feel to it in
terms of, No pedestrians go walking
from downtown down in that area, they
just don't do it because it feels
dangerous and they're not into it.So I
could name off so many other examples
of this that I've seen across the
United States, Especially after you see
these changes, so in thatI am confident
That if we do embark on thisThat will
do it withThe care that needs to be done
And with the, We have to understand for
the reasons why we would do something
like this. Again, it's a safety part of
this, There's a part about the culture,
but really there's a strong economic
BenefitTo making these kinds of
changes. I also think that when this
was widened out to four lanes we just
really were just from a design
perspective the engineers at that time
Were just toldA different story. When
you read about these sorts of things,
they are sold in full that these types
of infrastructuresWould create benefits
that in general are not as, Didn't come
to fruition in the way that we might
imagine, especially rural America.
That's what I have for now.
>>We are going to go back to supervisor
Arroyo.
>>Thank you. I thought I was missing a
quick question.
[LAUGHING]
>>I just went for it.
>>Well, good.
>>We all have lots of thoughts about
this. This is a great opportunity for
me to hear from different perspectives,
we have heard a ton of comments from
folks, Both today and in all manner of
respondents, and I really will agree
that the person who said it's really
kind of roughly divided down the middle.
About theThe traffic calming component
of it, not necessarily the entirety of
thisZoning amendment.And that includes
all the many, many petitions and other
methods of providing information. So
there really is a lot of diversity of
opinion, I think I've heard quite a few
people say everyone feels the way I do
and I'm here to tell you that not
everyone feels the same way about it.
It may be an indication that maybe the
people you're in community with feel
the same way but you've got an abundant
diversity of feedback.SoI want to cut
or share a few things about Humboldt
County and our not awesomenessStaff's
when it comes to roadways.
Unfortunately, we have, we are fourth
out of 58 counties in the stateFor
bicycle collisions in fifth out of50
counties in the state for equestrian
collisions. More than twice the state
average. We are working towards a
vision zero approach where there are no
Injuries or fatalities on her own ways
We're not there yet. Is very
unmentionable thatIn our work, I look
forward to kind of keeping in the
sites, Keithley is very red "Keeping in
the front of your mind.It's the books
this deadliest in the state for DUI.
Some sobering no pun intended stats
there.So Central Avenue, a couple of
folks wondered why we are talking about
are including it in thisZoning
amendment and it's right in the middle
of the area we are talking about, it
bisects it, that is why. When it comes
to the actual project area or zoning
amendment area, because projects are
yet to come, we are just talk about the
zoning piece of it, andClick the
infrastructure piece, there were
(INAUDIBLE) roadways what's front and
center, An example is given earlier
about Eureka going from three in this
case to two lanes and a large part of
that was to reduce the crossing distance
for the seniorsIn the high school and
medicals middle school students at us
all literally running across the street
or waiting forA break in the traffic
that never cameWhen using a mobility
device. So I take it really to heart
that these projects are not just about
the users of theCentral Avenue in this
case but alsoThose who are crossing.I
have also worked on a lot of school
projects in McKinleyville so I
appreciate people bring those up and in
the time that I have worked on those
projects prior to being on this boardI
got to see the evaluation of roots
changed during that period of time from
analyzing what used to be called level
of service and has other terms, it is
essentially about how many vehicles you
can move through spaceTwo reducing
vehicle miles traveled so the exact
opposite goalIn evaluating the safety
of all users in the roadwayAnd I will
just say with what has been brought up
about the youth getting to and from the
school that's within this zoning
amendment area, that is veryTop of mind
for me, so we are planning for a space
that is going to have a lot of youth
and a lot of seniorsAnd they are not
all going to be in vehicles, soI am
pleased to see the process that's been
undertaken. I support it fully, I am
here and ready toMove forward after
hearing about the abundantCommunity
inputAnd also want to just add that I
have heard all the input, there's been
a lot of it, and just because those of
us in this position, if we don't agree
with some of the input, it doesn't mean
it wasn't Herder there wasn't a robust
Pro sauce "Process. Hopefully that's
understood to everyone in this room but
I still felt that I should say it. I
did hearThe comment from the community
member who wanted to talk aboutThe open
space provisions andI imagine there is
a lot ofDiscussion that went into that,
but I would like to hear a little bit
more about it, I also understand there
areMultiple property owners likely to
make significant investments hereThis
may have been a compromise to try to
find a way where we can move forward
With the zoning amendment but those
exact(INAUDIBLE) may still be in the
design process down the line but I
would love to hear little bit more
about that half plus acre of open space.
>>Chair?
>>Go ahead.
>>So this was a point of vigorous
discussionAnd the original IDL was kind
of usingThe Arcata Square as an example
of size, And that is approximately an
acre.And so some people liked that size
. Other people wanted to leaveThe
opportunity for either that decide to
do something else where there's a lot
more smaller open space areas spread out
through the area and it's not justThe
and Pearson property, obviously life
plan Humboldt has an obligation, the
property has an obligation in that as
wellAs Pickett Road properties. They
can either doOn their own, all of the,
Or they can consolidate it, location,
that would be negotiated between the
property owners, So how they want that
to occur. So really comes, I think part
of the problem is no oneProperty is big
enoughThat the minimal requirements be
an acre on that property. He said it's
got to be an anchor, you are basically
saying that one property is going to
have an acreOf open spaceDedicated to
it and I thinkThat may have
>>Thank you, that's helpful. I
understand there's constraints of the
property owners the what they intend to
do, right?
>>(INAUDIBLE) I appreciate the
temporary reductions but that's not
analogous to the final design of
changing the roadway and people do
behave differently when they see
Temporary structuresAnd when they have
permanent changes. I don't think they
lack value, but I don't think there also
a perfect analog for an engineered
Roadway.
>>Great, as vice chair, I will take
over for a minute, the chair had to
step out for a second, do we have any
questions, commentsFrom supervisor Bohn?
>>Well,All the input, I don't know,
it's kind of funny because it was it was
overwhelming at one time the other way
and now it's 50-50. I think it's more
than that to the residents.And then
I've heardDegraded wetlands, We have a
projectOn Central Avenue that's been 10
years in the making for wetlandsThat
was supposedly filled that was degraded
and we have been dragging that on for
hundreds of thousands of dollarsMuch to
the property owners despair and willing
to cooperate.I worry about this because
now it's just degraded wetlands, will
just move it and I have a basic
understanding of that when I first
started redwood feels 35 years ago in
the first location because it had
wetlands. Yes, we can do that back
then. With that being said, Life plan
sounds great and I think it is greatAnd
I appreciate everybody that split their
time inAnd it looks like a great
project for a lot of people, There's
benefits both for the people that live
there and things like that, I
appreciate in Pearson doing that, I
remember and I thank her for kicking
the ballfields out because we got
Hiller Park, Which was the driving
force, no wordplay for the kids for
Little League.That's been 25 years ago.
20 years ago. So Kenny is nodding his
head, he fully remembers that now our
grandkids are playing, it's been a
great thing. It's but we are planning
to do this stuff and we are so far
ahead of the game here, We have a
conceptual plan that's probably going
to get approved todayAnd, I don't know
how to say this nicely, I really have a
hard time with the road diet but I
don't want to vote against it because
that usually means I trigger votes for
it.So with the hat "With that, look at
the old movie, with that being said,
it's a $20 million projectOr more, It's
going to be a total mess, a lot of it
is driven, again, byOutside sources,
and I just, I am hearing from so many
people, What I would've loved and I am
not going to be age discriminatory, but
I would love to see somebody under 50
years old speak today, Randy is even
over that, I think.But I mean in all
honestly we need to get the young
involved. Talking to the young in the
process, Much like a homecoming game
and everything else, they don't like the
idea, either, and I think we should
see where life plan goesBefore we start
tearing up the road:because we have
heard what happens when it goes down to
two lanes, and I'm pretty sure there's
a pretty good road study would we put
the green bike lanes it and everything
else there's a pretty good study back
thenCE some of the congestion. Unable
to force us out of cars, I know that's
the whole idea, HIC, all of that stuff
and everything else. I've tried, I
can't do the bus.I don't have enough
time in the day, I have a 12 hour day
already. So, And I served on HDA, and I
think it's a great tool for a lot of
people.I support the life plan. I just
think the road died is pushing it but I
think that's what they are going, using
as a tool, AndOverwhelming, the people,
the regular residents of McKinleyville
did not want all those people in their
arterial streets and prime exampleIs
I've fought five years ago for a
streetlight in Okun F, we have added
two more stoplights on Broadway, tried
to get on F Street from Oak or any the
side streets between7:39:31 unless we
have matching funds are not going to do
it now the price is going to be so
expensive but they are still having
accidentsThey don't call the police,
they got a fender bender, it doesn't
matter, There's been some serious
accidents. I heard one statistic that
Central at avenue after the change was
the fifth safestAnd then the fatality,
I think the one fatality was brought up
an extremely drunk driver, I believe.
You still in jail. It's like all the
accidents on Broadway, I don't know, I
checked, it's been years but I checked
and there is no incorrigible accidents
which means people wereEvery day, they
are crossing the middle-of-the-road.I
guessYou don't see it if you don't
drive it, but there are so many
shopping carts again the get hit and
everything else they get written up as
an accident.We put into crosswalks I
guess there's another one planned, but
I've had peopleProcess at the Verizon
store less than 100 yards away at the
theater.SoI can't support the road diet
because it is think it's the cart is so
far ahead of the horse, and you canMike
was talking about he's written to other
books, it's going to a great audience,
makingMoney, he's blaming it on injury
from 80 years ago. We have learned
guessing, we've seen some of the gases
in Eureka and they are not working.
They don't seem to be working. It's not
working, here by saying that, I don't
see anybody there. I see them trying to
turn, trying to get on Wabash, it's a
cluster.So that's where I stand, I know
I can count to three in my head, so I'm
not too worried about it but that's
where I'm going to stand.
>>Can you clarify your standing, you
would like the land but you don't like
the Rowe diet?
>>I thinkIfThe life plan comes it's a
great idea, just when everybody likes
them, wetlands and everybody else, we
can move it, we can do that, we can do
that but the problem is it's used as a
tool or weapon against a lot of
projects too because there a lot
willing to move wetlands and everything
else, oh my gosh, you do that.So I will
post a zero diet just because I have
some, I have a lot more faith of the
peopleOf McKinleyville that have been
there 40, 50 years in the businesses.
In the businesses, I will tell you
what, there's a couple people up here
that got up and spoke that if that plan
happens there probably going to build it
But they had let them know that they
didn't basically approve it. The life
plan partI think housing for seniors,
great, I think you guys for adding some
affordable or low income housing, that
was nice of you, That's what everybody
has to do with the county.I hope that
clarifies it.
>>Okay.Okay, sure. I probably will have
more to say, but supervisor Madrone
like to go last. I have a couple of
questionsFor Director Ford, and I want
to make sure that Mr. Benson over there
didn't want to add something?If you
don't, that's okay, but if you do,
that's okay too. Your good? Okay.SoPart
of theThing that came out of the
planning commission is that, first of
all, I want to say I recognize being
slow down is a pain in the butt, I
travel a ton, I live very rural remote
And I'm always in a hurry, it seems
like, so having the thought of your
daily commuteBe changed and added time
or have to leave earlier in the morning
or have to get your kids up earlierIs
quite a thought, right?But also
recognize thatWhen you go faster,
safety becomesNot as, That increases
safety concerns as well. I've heard you
guys say about the safetyBy having the
roads cut down. I also know some tub
slowing down increases safetyAnd so
that's, I don't live in McKinleyville,
it's not my district, I don't go there
often so I haven't been there and seen
all that, I really do want to recognize
that but also like my colleague said, I
really want to thank everybody for
their letters and their emails, which
were really about 50-50For and against,
the road diet, not too many against the
McKinleyville center plan but the road
died itselfWas the biggest concern.
With that being said, my questions to
Director Ford are so out of the
planning commissionIt says that they
encourage forTraffic study. I have a
bunch of questions, so it is, to go to
the lineIf we do a traffic study, what
would be different in the future than
what we haven't already done?
>>I think it would take a look at a
broader area and look atWhere traffic
is actually going to and coming from, I
thinkThere is a lot ofTrafficOn Central
AvenueThat doesn't necessarily go
through the town center. Your invited
roles hope " it drives the whole month.
To really coming to understandWhere the
heaviest traffic isAndUnderstandingWhat
the needs of the community areI think
the planning commission not only was
looking at this as an opportunity toDo
a deeper dive but also look at
transportation as a whole. So that
would include not onlyThe road diet but
it would also includeHow do weAffect
better bicycle connections?. It's hard
to get to the town centerFor roads that
exist because it's really not a good
place to ride. Beginning to really
examine all of those things for the
community.
>>Thank you for that, and then in the
study that's currently been done, I
think there'sThree or four exits off
the freeway that come into McKinleyville
? I know for three for sure.Is there
five? Predict if you call up to
If you go all the way up to
>>I don't know if you know of the users
that use central Avenue, is there an
alternative route for them that they
can utilize those other five exits to
access their homes?
>>The first office central and anybody
that's going to go east on to Sutter is
going to get there for sure. Probably
anybody going to Heartwood is going to
get off there. Realistically, if you're
going up to the McKinleyville shopping
center, The Safeway are getting off
there even if it does get into the
(INAUDIBLE) area. For peopleThat live
north, If you are doing that get off on
school Road, it's going to take you
longer.If you go up to bury road that
you are backtracking. But if you live
on to the north and the town or ifIf
you live in the north end of town the's
it makes sense to go for very(INAUDIBLE)
offered Tubbs I would not drive down
to Washington and go to school, would
go up to Murray and get on the freeway,
Provide up to buryTo McKinley Villa
Drive South, So there's a line in there
sometimes and sometimes it SUSTIVA day,
it's just easier.
>>Of the red diet is an approved want
to setDue to theHumblePlan?
>>It doesn't affect.
>>So the comments it's something they
want is more for theWalk ability, a
right ability for slower processes?
>>I don't think life plan isThe primary
advocate or driver. That came out of
the committee.Where there are policies
Asking forAnd how to make connections
from the west to the eastAnd how to
address bicycle safety and to slow
traffic. That, Understanding that was
discussed as part of the community plan
And I don't want toWe were all hearsay
to see inappropriate, but maybe thatThe
policies that will put into the plan to
re-examine it, here we are again and we
are re-examining it again it's my
understanding providing the same
recommendations. Paramedic if we offer
an understanding of the road diet
process, what does that look like? Does
it come back to the board before would
be reapproved? Would he go back to
commission? What would it look like in
the long run?
>>It depends on how you want to
structure for the approval. If you were
looking to have the study done before
you begin to do any improvements, You
have the study completed, And that
should go through the Micmac that you
go through TST community shelter, That
something to move forward with her than
funding would be stopped to go out to
do whatever the results of the study
are. It could be as simple as just
central but it could be more
comprehensiveLooking at other areas in
the McKinleyville networkOf connection
Which would be pedestrian, bicycle,
public transitAn automobile traffic.
>>Who pays for traffic study?
>>In this case, that would either be
done through the countyOr through grant
funding.And I will tell you the most
expensive part of the EIR that was done
Was the service analysis that was done.
>>Those are my questions for right now.
I'll wait until there's more comments
before I add more. Thank you.
Supervisor Madrone?
>>Thank you, Madam Chair.I've got a few
thank you's I want to offer first, the
biggest one is thank you forFor the
community for those who have shown up
today and submitted comments, not only
in the last week or so but through the
whole process and I will tell you all
the phone callsAnd all the other input
I get at the grocery store and
everywhere else, it has been 50/50
split for me, I think we all have our
different audiences and people on this
board may have had different
experiences, maybe they heard mostly
opposition, maybe there'd mostly
support, will tell you from my
perspective it's been about 50/50.And I
will say thatEvery person that has
commented and hasn't even commented,
all those opinions are valid, every one
of them is valid, no matter what they
felt about it and I know this board
takes all of those comments seriously,
as do I.
But I really want to think and person.
When I first joined this board in 2019,
started attending the Micmac meetings,
And and was there, and she continuously
brought forth this vision of wanting to
be able to use her undeveloped
properties to create a town center and
a character for the town which she had
many people felt that while many people
think Central Avenue is wonderful, It
was kind of like a maze three USA and
not really a town center. So her and
she is maintain that vision from the
startAnd I cannot thank her enough peer
can pack in fact the wholeFamily has
been good to humble. I think the
Pearson family and and in particular
for that. I want to thank and Lindsay
and her board and her volunteers for
bringing forth this vision of life plan
Humboldt.I also want to think this
board. Without this boards support for
planning staff to engage for six years,
And we have been any otherPlans, zoning
plans changes that need to be applied,
many other things, thank you as board
members for your support of that staff
time, Primarily by Director Ford, who
lives in McKinleyville.We are lucky for
that.But also, funding to complete the
EIR. Without your support for that, we
would be here today. Thank you for that.
Want to think the back for the six
years of dedication, and I know some
people said they did listen,I think
what that is is if you make comments
and your comments aren't necessarily
what the end result is, it feels like
you haven't been heard. I can
appreciate that. I will sell you that
Because of you this "magnificent job.
The meetings have had 10 to 30 people
or more, we had a couple 40 or 50 people
, Is a large cross-section of the
community? No. But in terms of public
participation is pretty significant.
Really, you think "rarely do you get
people showing up until the very end
and then you get all kinds of comments.
Go to think the Micmac and the NCS
team. They have two representatives of
the Micmac and they have engaged in
discussions as we see here today with
one of the directors here as well as a
general managerSharing with us their
concerns aboutTheThe traffic calming
proposals and stuff like that, or
things in this data is done in the
back, fantastic job, they represent the
community. It's not easy to make those
appointments hereOn the border to try
to make sure of that but I will tell
you have had a number of very liberal
people in order to get on Micmac and
instead I can't move all that is that
it so Lego "(INAUDIBLE)I think we are
better for having that diverse group. I
wanted to thank those who took the time
to actually move beyond their
reactionary thoughts about traffic,
begin stuff and actually put a line, I
did some research about traffic, be it
about smartAnd that are one of theUse.
It's one thing to make a quick
reactionary comment but to follow that
And do the research, be careful that,
it might change your mind. I want to
thank those that really took that time
to dig in and if you haven't had that
time do thatThere's a lot of
information out there that will help
you how these things will beForm,
viewpoint toSix years, the toes and
orders of her "The (INAUDIBLE) put into
the(INAUDIBLE) ultimately supposed to
follow through and make happen but it
didn't happen for 19 years. It really
get started till 2019 and why that is
we can all conjecture why it never got
started or didn't happen, some
commenters today talk about how we did
want a town center, so I'm sure some of
that had something to do with that, but
at any rate, things change, leadership
changed at the board and at the Micmac
and ultimatelyWe got started on really
figuring out how toMove that forward
and get it done and I want to say that
a lot of that had to do withThis group
called the organizing committee, of
which several rivers are here today.
And they all worked really hard to keep
this vision aliveFor a town center.
ThereFailed continuing to bring that
order. I would recognize Bonnie
McGregor who is here today.
[ APPLAUSE ]
Yes.We are supposed to not clap, you
can do this, I guess. Bonnie, you and
many other members of your group That
Vision alive along with in person. I
can't thank you enough, I want to thank
you enough is a better way of saying
that. All the members of that group did
keep it alive. They were a big element
getting them painted by clades along
central and other things like that,
there are many other people, and no
shell and others have a lot to do with
trying to make sure central could be as
safe as it could be being a four-way
thoroughfare and all that stuff. So I
appreciate all that, but here we are,
finally after 19 years this thing
startedIn six years worth of work has
gone into thisAnd while the sports
deliberation is super important,
there's no way that four hours of
deliberation can replace six years
worth of effort by the community
Although our opinions matter as well
and I appreciateThe question from the
board that have already been asked to
try to clarify things.Central is not
safe. It might be safe for cars the way
is when constrained or developed, but
it is not safer for pedestriansIn the
stories I too have seen situations like
this previous editor, Previous board
member Rhett Wesley Chapel talk about
hiking we stopped in the right lane
flashing lights for the crosswalks are
going off,Children start crossing with
the car in the left lane does not
reflectCrossing lights and they just
barrel through, we are talking about
lives on the line here, near misses and
things like that.So we need to figure
something out. Maybe what we've already
propose is exactly you and I'll talk a
little more about that.I do agree that
the planning commission recommendation
Her comprehensive circulation study for
the entire community makes a lot of
sense, a lot of us would theWe did look
outside the impact of itWe did look at
the potential for on-ramp and offer help
, We did look at McKinleyville Avenue.
That's the furthest out we have looked,
that roundabout. We did look at the
Hiller ramps, that just came up during
this process and I was very pleased
with Caltrans responseThat they thought
wow, that would be a game changer. I
think we can all agree if there was an
on-ramp and offramp going south that
would be a game changer because that
connects right to the town center, it's
in the middle of town, while there
currently are five ways to get into
McKinleyville, that's the missing link,
that's the one that's perhaps most
importantTo really change the
circulation patterns on Central and on
McKinleyville Avenue without flooding
the neighborhoods, frankly.So I am very
excited about looking into that further
with Caltrans.
Additionally, it may not be well known
but this ordinance calls for completion
of the Mintel trail. Several people
spoke about thatAs a really great way
to offerAn alternative route separate
from centralTo walk, so it's language,
it is it railroad it picks up again
that in Heartwood. To complete that
through the testsLife plan Humboldt is
dedicated to thatIn the ordinance calls
for completion for the whole property.
That is going to be another game changer
to have that completed trail. The rest
of Humboldt County has often been a
little jealous of McKinleyvilleWith its
trail, and once we complete the midtown
trail that is a complete piece of that
wonderful aspects. There are proposals
for roundabouts as we speakAnd
volunteers in the community including
Micmac, we are trying outSome quick
build ideas of Heller Road as we speak,
including testing at around about with
temporary measures that Hillary Road.
This really exciting, because those two
could be a chain changer.
Open spaces mentioned and I too like
Bonnie feel like it would be nice to
have more open space and I can tell you
in my discussions with Ann Pearson she
feels that way too. She feels very much
like through the middle of the
developmentThere some wetland areas
that they could be developed into duck
ponds. It won't satisfy have been
wetland mitigation, per se, but it
could be amenitiesTo the hotelAnd I
have a lot of faith in what she did in
setting up this nonprofit foundation to
carry forward through vision. I have a
lot of faith they will look for
opportunities to agree even more open
space. I appreciate the comments people
and they know that. It is well
documented that density was one of
those things helps create a vibrantSend
center. TheWhy would we be making these
retail spaces would we have them
already? I am here to tell you there's
some really big picture stuff going on
in McKinleyville that I know you know
about or maybe you don't but the idea
of improving the vista point facility
on 101 so we can pull visitors off the
highway and right now how many other
hotels, motels are there in
McKinleyville? One. Holiday Inn. One.
Steve Mosher who has gotten the entire
Airport business Park permit is set
often to be the one set disappoint
facility is able to get people off the
highway even if you're going northOr
South, That will cause his business
card to fill out the very short period
of time. Humboldt County's airport is
growing, and we have actually property
at the airport that could be developed
in hotels, motels, and other types of
things, and the town center for its
(INAUDIBLE) was census going to do is
bring a lot of income in from outside
the community that is going along with
the densification of life plan Humboldt
Is going to lead to a vibrant town
center retail operation. We are going
to ceaseStorage filled up, Bob would
perhaps "Mom and pops be able to freaks
succeed. I look forward to that day. In
our meetings, it was split on the
density issue between population age,
what with the Asian interests of people?
The young people are like I love it,
it's vibrant. Price older folks, let's
just keep it down.That also is very
splitIn particular by age group which I
think is interesting. I believe this
process will lead to increasedVibrant
retail environment we also know to do a
traffic study that was done thanks to
the efforts of the coalition for
responsible transportation priorities,
we got a grant to actually study
transit in McKinleyville because right
now we just kind of have it through
transit, we don't have an intercity
transit, and that is because we are not
dense enough, we are sprawled out over
all over Pierce's well document thatBy
identifying that will lead to intercity
traffic which I and many others look
forward to which would then make the
community transit "Commuting transit,
people who want to get from one place
to the next without wandering around
town, that's a very exciting thing.
It's also been mentioned that during
construction people saw this incredible
trafficCongestion and delays, people
are waiting at least another couple of
minutes to get to their homes, It is
interesting with his well documented
also that is not a fair test of what it
would look like with improvements. It
was a permit changes, we adjust our
behavior.If Heller ramps are there, not
if, when they are there, that will
create another option for people get
directly home, etc. That some of the
comments I have at this time, I'm sure
the rest of the board will also have
more comments but I wanted to go ahead
make a motion at this time. It's not to
shut down discussion, because often we
will make a motion if there's a second,
others were discussion. I wanted to go
ahead and just go ahead andMake a
motion at this timeTo basically improve
staff recommendation, which is to adopt
the resolution to certify the
environmental impact report and pending
adoption of the statement of overriding
consideration for the Towncenter zoning
amendment ordinance and to adopt the
mitigation monitoring the reporting
programAnd to adopt the resolution to
make all required for end-user approval
and zoning ordinance amendment to
change the zoning of the town center to
mixed-use with the Q Zone overlay to
develop criteria and adopt the
ordinance to mixed-use with the Q Zone
overlay to establish development
criteria and also, very important, to
add to this, planning commission
recommendation for a comprehensive
circulation planAnd coordination of
that development process and review
with the kid LouisvilleService district
and community. In a way that does with
a lot of people ask for which is
bifurcate this. That was the end of our
motion, and that is will point out that
whatever we do, Whatever that looks
like in terms of traffic calmingDetails
, This will not happen overnight. It
took us(INAUDIBLE) so we will work with
age,, we look for grants, and that will
take some time, but we will get it right
, We will figure out how to make it
safe for convenience and cars and add
pedestrians and bicyclists. I hope we
all stay committed to that low-grade
opportunity.
>>Second, if I could speak to my motion
that would be great. First of all,I
wanted to confirm to everybody that we
received a lot of comments and read a
lot of emailsAnd receive some phone
calls all things. From allOf us who
consider ourselves regularAnd all of us
who consider ourselves irregular which
I suppose is everybody in Humboldt
County.And I will say that there was
just a lot of, What was reflected in
the comments was the amount of time
people spent knowing on this, but I
don't mean just the remote issue but
all the other parts as well. There's an
interesting comment and criticism,
John, of the ministerial nature of the,
I want to, of the process for the
development or redevelopment of some of
these properties in this form based
code. Could you just. There's a
positive and negative do this in some
people's minds which one is especially
in California, a lot of other places
have been criticized we slow down the
development decision agree that
Processes themselves to allow for that
of new housingAnd one who's inThis
(INAUDIBLE) based process, so can you
summarize that so we can understand a
little bit?Favorite a.In part of our
general planning we are required to do
itIs remove encumbrances. There a lot
of time for housing development this
requires discretionary items. So
McKinleyville community plan,
identified there should be a design
review committee establishedTo create
guidelinesFor a developmentWithin the
town center.So the committee was to
create the guidelines..
>>But then the place is something a
little different.It says (INAUDIBLE).
Normally when you have design review,
it includes a requirementFor special
permit.So interpreting that, what that
means is we don't have the
discretionary process. What will happen
when development comes in is thatThe
style of development, the way it's laid
out
>>(INAUDIBLE). It will be, what
happened to the plate of building
department, on application comes in,
they gets referred to a bunch of
different places, and one of those. The
plannerTo ever for the ordinance. It
will be looking at the development to
ensure all those criteriaThat are in
this ordinance are being complied with
and the way it's laid out are being
complied with.And that this is a site
plan, includes the run-up with theSo it
went pretty much a parking income
notices very clear,Except for willfully
Fayetteville family residential and
even then it's limited.That will all
get reviewed before the drilling permit.
I do want to point out for comparison
that's not really a change from
existing conditions.
This is not a streamlining element of
this. I guess the concern was the
community would have less of an input
What you're trying to streamline
things, just to. Are we going to
streamline this process or not?
>>It'sMy want to look at any process
that's possible.
>>I agree with the findings, they were
well-written, I think they speakTo what
we are trying to do in Humboldt County.
I want to speak to every single comment
, whether you are for or against the
particular part of this project, Was
made because everybody wants a better,
healthier, happier community to live
in, I think we just sometimes disagree
on strategy to get there, but in
general, everybody really wants the
same thing.I personally am not as
enthused the supervisor Madrone about
doing another traffic study. If that's
what gets this over the hope that I
think that's the way we go. I think the
traffic study that was done is pretty
comprehensive, I think thatIt looks that
Almost everything you would want to in
thisAndAgain, More importantly, I want
toEncourage, Again, more development, a
redevelopment of the town centers
possible.I don't want traffic study
that will come up with the same results
to slow things down. With that I am
still supportive of the motionAs it
stands.
>>Supervisor Arroyo?
>>I concur, was ready to approve staff
recommendation, I know you don't want
to slow down the process, it's been 6+
years, much longer than that, that this
has been envisioned and it sounds like
before that many of the folks who are
hereIn the room today are have reached
out to usWere opposed to the design
changesThat we now have. I think we
have seen enough time go by, we have
learned lessons aboutTraffic decided
road safety that we didn't know before,
And I also as the resident millennial
on this board, You said you wanted to
hear from long young folks, I abatedA
lot of people my age and much younger
than me, some who have resuscitated in
the public process and some who have
not and are really excited about the
density of the multimodal improvements
That are proposed.I heard both that you
have to have lived in the community for
40 or 50 years or you have to be under
a certain age. In the Louisville we
have heard from both folks in both
those categories. So I appreciate all
the community input, but I wrote a
ready to hopefully move forward and
make this processMove along.
>>Supervisor Bohn?
>>I have made myself clear. I can count
to three. Maybe more.
>>Supervisor Madrone?
>>Thank you, chair, just to be clear,
John, this condition I have added to
the staff recommendation for the
comprehensive circulation plan,
coordination all designs with CSDIn
Micmac, That doesn't stop Towncenter
ordinance are being implemented, it's a
separate issue because my attention was
While it's included in the motion, I
think we may have to take some time to
get that final item doneIs not my
intention and emotion that I made to
cause it to delayThe implementation of
theTown center. Can you clarify that?
>>I did understand that, but perhaps it
would help to clarifyThat prior to
implementationOf the central Avenue
Improvements that the study would be
completed and be reviewedBy the Micmac
And the MCS D.
>>I would add that to my motion that
prior to the implementation of the,
These things would be done. That
clarifies the rest of it can move
forward. If approved by this board.
>>Correct.
>>I would make that change.
>>Secondary is okay with that, but still
I have lived without it.
>>So I just want toRe-questionData
traffic studyWould be different. I mean
I, as well, don't want to do it just
becauseThat is what people say needs to
happen if there is one out there that
is comprehensiveAnd sufficient.
>>I think thatThere are, I mean, we
will have a better sense of what's
going to happen going forward before we
get to the study. And soIfHiller is
going to happen than the traffic
analysis will greatly benefit everybody
In understanding the benefits. I think
it would be beneficial toUnderstand how
central Avenue as a whole functions,
Because there are areas of that road
that are far busierThe their forebears.
So to understand where the most
significantAverage daily trips are
locatedVersus where the number of trips
that are actuallyMaking it all the way
through the town center, It would
probably be helpful to know that, I
think intuitively probablyPeople feel
like they understand that, But it would
really be about putting that into a
study, Collecting the amount of traffic
on the roadAnd truly being able to
quantify that.
>>Okay, that makes sense to me. I do
want to say, Supervisor Mo, you want to
say something else?It's hard being the
chair.Whether three or four of us or
all of us end up voting for this, I
think anything anyone can do in today's
economic world to try to improve your
communityFrom southern Humboldt, I live
in southern Humboldt I was born and
raised there and my district is the
second district that I've seen so many
changes in southern Humboldt and empty
storefronts right now, I've been to
McKinleyville, my grandson plays
baseball so I've gone up there for
sporting events and have seen a lot of
change. I don't go for five years at a
time sometimes and so I was kind of
shocked the last time I was up there to
see the amount of emptySpace is up there
And to see, I think it's a U-Haul where
Kmart used to be in those areas that
aren't really conduciveOf bringing
people to your town to shopAnd to spend
money, And I know that it's, I can feel
it from you folks that it's painful to
have changes to think about reducing
your commuteIn time and this is going
to be a pain in the butt that I'm going
to sit here in traffic and all the
things, but in my own districtI would
really relishSomething, and we
struggled to find that we have been
searching for it in that area to really
bring people into our town, If you go
to Garberville, it's two lanes a very
wide streetsAnd they are not, They
don't have the lines down them so you
get people, To people trying to go down
one lane and it's a mess.But I just
want to say thatBeing a
brick-and-mortar right now is superhard
and with Amazon and all those things
That delivered a people storefronts,
it's not about the Kmart in the world
are the target in the world or those
bigger box stores, it's really aboutThe
feelIn the diningThe small mom-and-pop
said the experience that really bring
people inAnd walk from store to store
and have that really good feel, and
like I said, I want to get from point a
to be very quickly. I hate traveling, I
am tired of trying all the things. But
if you can add to your communityAnd
reallyEntice people into your community
to spend time there and spend money
there, In such a plus, And I went to
different areas lately and saw where
they locked up whole streets and have
this shopping community there, shopping
center, they don't allow cars and all
of the war and I thought to myself this
is great, I can walk from blockade to
block Ted and it's a big old experience.
It was hacked and pulledOf people and
spending money, and bring it from the
law of southern Humboldt that's failing
economically and businesses are closing
, there are two more businesses closing
at the end of this month ended
December. Just really sad for me. I've
been there my whole life and seen a lot
of changes and never seated as bad as
it is right now. If you think your
community is not going to be affected,
Is strictly down pretty quickly these
days.So I can't answer your question, I
am sorry, sir, but I just want to say
that I've heard you allAnd I do take it
very seriously and I hope that this
transition will be a good word for
McKinleyvilleAnd just want you to know,
I don't live in your community.But I
really relish and what can make humble
better. That's about all I have.
Supervisor Madrone?Is ready to vote.
Okay.Supervisor Arroyo. Permit thank
you. Just a Hail Mary at the end here.
I heard a possible if then statementAnd
what you are saying, Director Ford,
about the CaltransAnd Hiller Road
connection to the freewayPeter, I will
in the various, that you understood
quickly, youYou would (INAUDIBLE) in
the near future with that component,
then, A new traffic study would be a
helpful tool?
>>Yes.
>>But if they're not the study itself
likeWould be similar to the existing
conditions of the already have a study
for.
>>A clarification. Her meeting with
Trout Caltrans they mentioned that they
were not only doing the userBut that
they were embarking on a major highway
101 study in that area of Arcata in
North County and they were now going to
includeThe idea of these ramps at
Heller RoadInto that study. That's the
first to. The outcome of all that which
they seem to be supportive of, several
staff said while, why had we thought
about this before, frankly?It is in
process as we speak.That's a
multifaceted effort is going to have to
happen again, will probably take 10 to
15 years to get through the stiff
process the "To do that.
>>Through the chair, this brings up an
interesting question becauseSplitting
up their 10 to 15 years, does that mean
that this study doesn't happen for 10
or 15 years and if within the next
decadeThere is money that comes down,
say, an earmark or something to deal
withCentral forward, are we, then,
waiting forA traffic study that will
happen for 10 to 15 years?
>>I'm going to enter up because I
skipped over supervisor Madrone. I'm
sorry, I said we would go to him after
me and I completely forgot. We will
finish and they will go to supervisor
Bohn.I'm just saying that theRamps
might affect circulation in
McKinleyville. I would assume that can
be done a lot super "Sooner than 10 to
15 years. It would be an H, the funded
effort more than likely to strive to
move that additional planning study to
completion. We've done a lot of work,
as Tom said, through the efforts that
have already occurred. This never came
up during that study.
Through the chair, I have a question.
Could that studyBe started with I guess
an alternateWhatever, reality, I guess
you would say, whether is that
Infrastructure has been put in, I don't
want us to delay and hold off for 10 or
15 years moving forward a decision
waiting for some other agency to do
this.
>>I wish we had had an information
before. I wasn't in those meetings, I
apologize for that.
>>I'm going to just, I'm going to
promote you to supervisor, maybe
Director Madsen has something to say
behind you.
>>Let me say this. It would be
beneficial to do the study before that
And use that as incentive for Caltrans
To really take it were seriously. So if
we are sinners a study within a couple
of yearsAnd then pass that off to
Caltrans showing the difference it
would make with the moon McKinleyville,
that may give us a priority.
>>Supervisor Manson said he concurs.
>>I appreciate that and I'm glad we are
having that clarification, but that
study would probably haveAt minimum two
alternatives, one where against Bill
Woodward doesn't get built.Thank you.
>>Supervisor Oreo. No! Supervisor
Madrone! Bohn!
[LAUGHING]
>>See what I mean? It's getting too
obvious.Director Ford, you mentioned
that we are going to changeThere
driving habits, for good andOne late as
mentioned, if the love the of
McKinleyville. Take the airport exit
and then go to that. Doesn't that shoot
that, a theory of regular Senate we
going for the people all the numerator
is the(INAUDIBLE) I understand you
can't get everybody else but shop local.
I am just saying it seems we are
directing traffic around, we're going
to make a burden in two minutes, three
minutes,We make fun of that, but it's.
If we are trying to change people's
habits to Mr. Trump etc. what are the
odd shopping if there. It's about
people her community in theWhich is
identifying a sense of place and
identifyingAnd not just feedthrough.
During the(INAUDIBLE) there would be
the storefronts are.
We are about southern Humboldt, we
heard about McKinleyville, downtown
Eureka, Henderson Center, every place I
can go, there you all wouldThey have
all done extra storefronts. People are
buying online but. I wanted tomorrow.
Case in point . The bypass is wonderful
because I go to Sacramento. I don't
know if the McDonald's there likes it
that much or any of the other stores.
The wagon wheel..I'm kind of looking at
reality. We got a wing stop. The mom
and pops, and I go back, 60 some years
ago, I was raised in a corner grocery
store, one cash register,Put Sue to
sisters through college and my dad said
we don't make enough to put you through
college, be a truck driver, and that's
what I became. I'm saying I believe in
that mom-and-pop theory, locally owned,
And I thrive for that day, but I don't
know that we can never get it back.
With
>>There are places, there are towns,
one of the most vividThat comes to my
mind was withWhen I was younger, the K
Street mall in Sacramento. It was
skidrow, then closed. They turned it
into a pedestrian promenade. You've
been down thereRecently and it is a
beautiful place right now. I remember
being down there, my parents would not
let me walk alone.There's other
examples where you go to places, small
towns, big towns, where they haveJust
slow the traffic downAnd re-oriented
towards creating pedestrian places.
Where do people stop? Where do they
hang out?They hang out in places where
it is conducive for them to just be.
That's the vision that is being
presented here.. Another part of the
vision is there's going to beRetail
services relationship where people that
live there don't have to drive to go to
restaurants, they don't have to drive
to go to the grocery store.They are
right there.
>>Okay, we have a motion and a secondOn
the table. I am going to allow
supervisor Arroyo very small comment
before we cast our votes.
>>I'm hoping that weMay consider an
amendment to this motion becauseI would
vote for it grudgingly right now and I
would vote for it enthusiasticallyIf it
wereThe recommendation that came from
the Micmac and was supported byAt the
time that it came to the planning
commissionBy this ESD and the Micmac,
But then the planning commission did
add the traffic study, now we are
hearing there was a full understanding
of the traffic study and as it stands
it would be a bit of a duplicate of
effort and should things change, it
might add additional insight, but right
now, I don't want us to do the workOf a
traffic study that's precipitated by
Caltrans change, I prefer that they
find that working I don't really want
to bifurcate this projectWhich is about
the entire sense of placeAnd is a
cohesive packageIf the study that we
are going to be requiring to make
changes is going to duplicate what we
already have. I hope that makes sense,
I would like to suggest that we remove
that elementAnd if we can't, I am still
ready to move forward, but I think it's
going to addUnnecessary cost.
>>As the motion maker I willing to
accept that amendment, because here's
the reason why. Because the
recommendation forThe raid dietIs
included in the town center ordinance.
Road diet.I know there is no way that
any changes to Central Avenue are going
to occur without doing additional
planning in detail, Preliminary
engineering plans and communications
with them CSTIn the Micmac in the
community.So in a way that final
element I added to staff recommendation
is duplicative as was used here, so I
am willing to remove that because I
know what's going to happen anyway.
It's really not necessary and if that
makes it more palatableFor this board I
am fine with that.
>>I concur with that, I also appreciate
The reduction in cost to the county.
>>Certainly.
>>Kaylee, because we are changing the
motion, could we clear off, if anybody
is voted currently, can we clear that
off?Also, I just want to confirm thatSo
if theMS, whatever, Thank you. If they
want a traffic study doneThrough more
work as supervisor Madrone says that's
already in the project, before theRoad
diet could happen, is that something
that would happenIf that's what they
want?
>>I want to speak for, You made me do it
, But I mentioned that any future
designs for centralOr anything that's
done would be done throughThe Micmac
and through MCS D.
>>Director Mattson, can you come up,
please?I have two questions, the one I
just posed, and my second question is
if you do all the studiesThrough the
process and all the agencies in
McKinleyville, It does find that you do
find out this really is notSomething
that can happenIn McKinleyvilleBy
reducingThose lanes, that it's going to
create bigger problems and bigger
safety issues, what would happen then?
>>That would come back, It's not my job
to tell the community what they want,
is to tell them the impacts of changes
and what that would do. Right now, you
have a traffic study that does that, it
tellsIf you do the three's lanes, these
eight intersections will have impacts.
If we had the interchange that it's
also interchange the impacts of those
eight intersectionsAnd then they need
the improvements or need different
improvements but then it comes back,
It's really community decision, the way
the public works has worked with
McKinleyville is anything that's really
a project not just maintenance, we
bring beforeAnd we bring it back and we
bring it back and we bring it back
until we get consensus. Can we move
forward. The question I have a, the
question I have specifically, do you
want to come back to the board for
approval, you just say do a traffic
study and see what happens, That makes
me the final decision-maker, not you,
not them.It just means I go meet with
me we go through our process.
>>So, then, any input from the community
, So you would do the studies, you would
, At what point would you decide to,
would you be able to decide to redirect
to this board?
>>In the normal process, would not, I
would make that recommendation, doubt.
But if you wanted to come back to the
board, please specifically state that.
This will beGoing online. I will yet be
here for many more years.. If you want
a specific process where government is
avoid, you make that part of the motion
Little League within the CSD study "For
a traffic study and bring it to the
Board of Supervisors for an approval.
>>We are back to that first motion.
>>I clarifying something? We are
talking about two different things
here. The study takes the motion away.
It's reliant upon the study that's been
done. So with the design, we are now
talking about the design in central,
we're not talking about doing another
comprehensive traffic analysis.
>>Is that, Like if you and the Micmac
wanted or whoever the CST wanted
another traffic study would you be able
to order that without this boardsThis
study?
>>We would not want to fund it out of
her own funds right now, we would want
outside funding. Coming back full
circle, if we're going to go and put on
a project to bid, that would go back to
the board. If the traffic study said
that we should do this or these are the
impacts that we put a projectTogether
for bed, then does come back to the
board..
>>So any project that would change
that, I get that, that would be another
opportunity to talk about this without
thatNew traffic study, it would come
back to the board when it goes out to
Ben, correct?
>>Correct.
>>Thank you. Supervisor Wilson?
>>We have now bifurcated the other,
Which is fine, in general, we talk
about these things in different ways,
so what I am asking could we at this
moment ask thatAt least in the short
term while he gets analyzedIn the
context of all the other things we are
doing?
>>I'm going to ask(INAUDIBLE) to
respond to that.
>>We can certainly add it to our list
of priorities. We just missedThe cycle
to add it to that original
transportation plan so that would have
to come with the next cycle. But that's
really, If this concept is to move
forward, that's where we would need to
go is to get it in the regional
transportation plan so we can qualify
for the funding her age, in part with
Caltrans..
>>In lieu of holding this up for
another traffic study, doing that, we
would be waiting for it anywaySo you
might as well do that today, prioritize
them separately for this project so at
least it's on the listAs a resource
that we have him look at
>>Correct.
>>Thank you.
>>So are we ready?We are going to amend
again.
>>Is that part of this, is that
eligible for today?It's outside of the
project area. Proactively clear, so this
.
>>You can provide direction to bring it
back for further consideration.
>>So amended for the third time.
>>Seconded.
>>Can you please state your motion for
the record?
>>I'm going to have Director Ford read
back the motion as he thinks it is.And
will can make sure Fisher's motioner.
Second there are, we are going to give
him the second.And if we approve that
motion, can we email that to Kaleigh,
please?
>>This is to adopt the resolution to
certify the EIR and of the findings in
allTo adopt the mandatory and will
refer. To make all required finding her
into this amendment to the zoning
ordinance, isTo mixed-use, to rezone
the town center to mix Zeus with few
overlays on.To prioritize the Hiller
interchange with highly one-to-one.
>>Basically we are adopting staff
recommendation in their entirety with
the caveat to direct staff to come back
with a consideration of the Hilla Road
offramp. Does that make sense?
>>I want to thank everybody that came
today and took time to be here all day,
it's a long day for all of your thoughts
We hear you guys, is your community,The
>>Supervisor Wilson, I waiting for your
vote.It didn't go through.
>>You can do a roll call.
[CALLING ROLL]
Motion carried four-one.
>>Thank you. We are adjourned.