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one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Any questions?
>> Stay on the line, please.

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» Can you hear me, Rosie?

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» Okay, thank you.

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» [clears throat]

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» Good evening, everybody. Glad everyone
has come to the meeting tonight.

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I know.

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Um, I think we're going to wait, I
guess, an extra 15 minutes until they

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get
whoever went to the school.

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Uh, but we'll we'll wait for the public
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um, a little later.
Okay, uh, council, if you've had time to

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read your minutes.
>> I'll get it.

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» Yep.
>> You need a motion?

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» Actually, I have a correction.

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» Um,
we have to take a motion.

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» Tammy, you need to speak up because
Darwin has the mic.

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» Speak up, please.

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All right, page five.
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under the minutes of uh, of my
presentation, it said tell me people

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that everyone knows job will be closing
at the end of December.

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That's inaccurate. I was
sharing a geographic and population

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presentation that I've been working with
Randy Ellis to

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with Randy Ellis's approval to promote
a new buyer.

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» But you didn't say at the end of
December.

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» But that's not what I was telling
presentation.

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» You didn't say it. It's misrepresenting
>> Yeah. Presentation by saying that I was

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here to say it's closing at the end of
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The point was to promote the fact that
people in the community are what makes

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you
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» Second the motion as corrected.
>> Who made the motion?

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» I think I made the motion.
>> Who made the motion?

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» Warren.
>> I did. Warren.

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» Pete seconded it.
>> Pete.

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» Roll call.

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» Up.
>> Tammy.

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» Yes.
>> Warren.

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» Yes.
>> Karin.

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» Yes.
>> Pete.

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» Yes.
>> Andy.

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» Yes.

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» Okay, I got to say
a couple of things here before we start

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the um
public hearing.

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I'm going to let um Pete give you an
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questions that were brought up last
month um

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about the cold jam and the water in
Wiscoy.

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» So, everybody remembers last last month
Can you hear this? It's all right.

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» Is that a hold it up?
>> The center of

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» Yep, right in the center.
>> Is that better?

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» There you go.
>> Okay, sorry.

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Uh so, last one
uh John brought up the fact that

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possibly getting water from the co-gen
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Um so, I did talk to the engineer.
Um so, it's he he said to set up a plant

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to treat surface water was
about 10 times as expensive as treating

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ground water.
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the plant would outweigh the cost of
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Um but so, to be more
it's not not feasible to go with the

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co-gen.
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concern was now you're getting your
water from a private entity and if they

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close up, you know, what do you do?
Where do you get your water after that?

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Um but the other thing on the water to
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uh to
try and shave some numbers off of

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things. Um so, what they did was they
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the main line going to Wiscoy would be a
smaller main line

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um and also they they brought up the
point before was keeping the water

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fresh.
It would keep the water fresher. Um it

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would save about $150 to $200 per user
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um going with a smaller main line. They
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big enough so they could add hydrants
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They could add a storage tank and then
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future
uh if ever wanted. So, there is there is

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a cheaper option on the EDU's,
um but last month we applied for more

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funding. So, I I think right now we sit
tight until we see what what all the

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funding comes in and then we can kind of
make a decision whether to move forward

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with it or to uh
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want to do it.
Um anybody got any questions on that?

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» I'll say.
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» What was the estimate?
Last estimate you got there, what what

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would be the total cost per year
of water the average?

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» Of water with the project itself?
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payback and the
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Jim. I'll get that for you, but I want
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something like that.
>> What's the cost of the pipe?

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» With the newer rates.
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400 a month per quarters?
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average water user uses about 10,000
gallons per quarter.

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Um so
um and we're $12 a thousand currently.

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So, you're
10 10 * 12 per per quarter on an

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average.
>> 1,200.

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10 *
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» 1,200.
>> Yeah.

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» Plus a thousand for the payback.
>> Correct.

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» 200 a year.
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included in it
was what that that was total cost that

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the engineer came up with.
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but I can I can look I've got the
numbers. I can look up the final numbers

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if you do. So, just take me a minute.
>> Can I can I take a question? Um is that

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based on like a a two-person household
or four or what? Do you know?

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» Um average it's just it goes up. The
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it's based off from.
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» Yeah, it would be about four.
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» And I I took so I did a little project
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or the spring when we were working on
water rates and and all that. Um

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I took our total gallons sold
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figured out how many I I subtracted all
the businesses, the people that cut

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hair, the laundromat, the car wash, the
school, the stores, subtracted those out

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of it.
So I had a pretty close number to just

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residential and then divided up what we
sold for for water. And it averaged out

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to be about 10,000 gallons per town
unit. Um but we do have we do have a lot

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of users that don't use 3,000 gallons in
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Um there's there's a third of our users
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um
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we're looking at.
>> Will you if you find more money to to

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cover the cost of that, at that point
will you then ask the people in Wisco

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Lake if they're if they're buying in on
it or if they're not and then make a

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decision cuz if they're if they don't
want it

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» That's
>> based on cost then why would you bother

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hearing?
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be a vote for just the people in Wisco
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» Okay.
>> Because if the people in the

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that are currently on the water system
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» wouldn't pay that debt service. They pay
the debt service they already have. So

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like so.
You would be included in that cuz it'd

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go by your house.
>> So I'd have to pay the $1,000 a year?

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» Yes.
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Yeah, if if you tie it into the water.
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tie into the water
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usage, but if you don't tie into the
water you still have to pay on the debt

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service because it goes past your
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» So it's $1,000.
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debt service to be. It wouldn't because
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usage in debt service. You would just
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» And it depends on what we come up with
for funding. Right now, currently we're

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70% funding for the project.
>> I thought you couldn't go over or

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something.
>> There's There's way There's

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maximum you can get is 70% of the
funding. Um but there are some other

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grants that will kick in for other
things. Also, if the project runs into

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Say we get heavy the way the engineer
explained it to us, if we get heavy on

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funding, then currently the way the
project set up, each homeowner would be

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responsible for hooking their home into
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so you could build that into the
project. So, that part of that would be

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funded, so the the people wouldn't have
to tie in their house themselves. It

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would be all part of the project, be a
done deal. So, that would be covered in

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the funding as well if we had extra
funding if you know, say more grants

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came through than what we were
expecting.

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» The tie-ins increase the project cost,
though.

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» It would, but that that would be if we
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know, if the the the
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» You'd offset that with the project.
>> you're still going to be only going to

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get 70%.
>> You'd still get 70%, but you would you

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would include more of the project. So,
yeah. So, you have We have to weigh it

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out how it you know, how it came out and
and put that in the public hearing, but

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so we're still waiting on funding.
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uh you had miscalculated, I brought that
up. Last time you guys said 150, and I

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said it's only 75. Is it
What's that number?

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What do I want to say?
Did you recount it with count go through

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the
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something that we would have to
fine-tune

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» Because you
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» I know when you guys or when they came
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the
contractor or not contractor

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» The engineer.
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Came around. He He came up with 150
housing and stuff like that. Was He was

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counting from partial land, stuff like
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» Vacant lots. Things that could be
building lots.

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» Right. Right. But the water would go in
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» Right.
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them in because you don't have a house
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» Well, they still have to pay on the
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» Because they have that
>> runs past their

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» They have access to the water so they
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It's not there. Most of them are empty
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that's where they parcel them off
because there was different owners that

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had
owned that piece of property without

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having a house on it or
>> Right. There's There's no house on it.

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They wouldn't get a water They wouldn't
have to pay a water bill, but they'd

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still pay the debt service. Just like
Like Jim was saying, if it runs past his

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house, whether he ties into the water or
not, there's still the debt service goes

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with it. It's part of the ad valorem.
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» Like in example
Andy did not hook into our into the new

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system of over Clay Bed and but he still
has to pay the ad valorem. He does not

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get a water bill quarterly. Cuz he
doesn't use the town water.

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» Yeah.
>> But he pays the ad valorem.

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» It's on your tax bill.
>> And it's on the tax.

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» And that's something we can't We have no
control over that. That's That's the

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state deal there. That That's how they
say you have to do it. So.

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That's part of the regulations on the
state. It has nothing to do with the

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town.
>> So that person with that vacant lot

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would be paying an ad valorem on the
taxes.

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» Right.
>> But like Like we said, I mean, there'll

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before we get Once we get all the
funding figured out, we can figure out

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how many EDU's there are
actual and get the cost figured out. I

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mean obviously we're not going to decide
on anything until we know what we're

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going to have for funding and what the
total cost of the project is. I mean the

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cost of the project changes every day
just because of cost of materials.

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» Right.
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you know, when
it's too far to speculate I guess right

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now, you know, and and that would it
would definitely be put to a public vote

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on whether they yes or no. So, you know,
and everybody's everybody's opinion

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like, you know, Jim decides not to not
to tie into it. I mean their opinion

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counts. So, you know.
Even though he's not right in the Wiscoy

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area, it still affects us.
>> Right.

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» So, it affects myself. So, whether I tie
into it or not, I mean the project goes

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past my house. So,
>> So, it wouldn't be an actual vote. It's

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just a public hearing inside of the
referendum.

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» Yeah.
That's right.

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Yeah, that's all I have on that the
Wiscoy water right now.

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You know, feel free to contact me
anytime and we'll talk about it. So,

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I try to stay up to date on it and
you know, like I said, we've we're we're

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a long ways out from making a decision
whether to yes or no on it.

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So.
>> You know, when I got my tax bill,

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they got the $300 for access to water.
They told me that was because I had fire

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hydrant service.
I told Jim he doesn't have fire hydrant

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fire hydrant service, why does he have
to pay that?

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» The the
the cost the because it got that be the

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cost of the project, not the not
hydrants itself.

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So.
>> Well, not for me.

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They're only charging me $300 a year.
>> Right.

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Yeah, I mean I I I think that's you're
getting charged the ad valorem, aren't

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you? Which is the part of the project. I
think same thing they any pay is same

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thing I pay. So.
>> So, it had nothing to do with the water

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lines.
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the line the the public water goes past
your house.

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» Just as an example, we have three
parcels on the playback road that are

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all separately taxed. So, we pay the ad
valorem three times but are only metered

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once.

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Okay, at this time
it's uh

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7:16. We need a motion to open the
public hearing

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uh establishing a local law for a
torium in the battery energy energy

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storage system project and data center
project in the town of Huron.

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» So moved.
>> I'll second.

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» Is this the interductory form of the
local law or is this

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you guys voting to adopt to adopt it?
All right.

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» We introduced it last We introduced it
last meeting. It consists

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» Because it's a moratorium it affects the
entire town is if you approve it, it's

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going to be subject to county planning
board review because since it affects

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the entire county under 239 M it's got
to go to county review which

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none of the moratoriums have failed
which is just a procedural

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step it has to go to the county planning
board.

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So.
>> And that can be sent after tonight?

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» Yeah, but when you vote on it you're
voting to adopt it subject to review not

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approval subject to review because even
if they were to disapprove it

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you this town board can under the by
supermajority

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overrule what they what the County
Planning Board says. So, it's just

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subject to the review of the County
Planning Board.

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» [clears throat]

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» And I can talk to you after or tomorrow
and you want me to see the application

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and all that stuff. All very
straightforward.

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» Okay.
>> Did I repeat the motion?

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» He made the motion and Warren seconded
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» Okay.
>> I just call the favor vote.

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» Tammy?
>> Yes.

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» Warren?
>> Yes.

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» Theresa?
>> Yes.

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» Pete?
>> Yes.

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» Randy?
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
Um

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I have asked Patty McQueen to come and
speak with us uh speak with everyone

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tonight. Uh she's done a lot of research
on the uh data centers and the battery

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and energy storage and she's very
knowledgeable on it. So, so thank you,

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Patty.
>> You're welcome.

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» I'll just got to switch this out. All
right, check.

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» Is there anybody on this?
>> Who's

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» I thought I had my mic.
>> From that mic you can use, Patty.

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» Mhm.
>> Okay.

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» Good. All right.
>> Good.

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» All right, I'll go ahead and take it
from here.

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So, thank you for the opportunity to
speak.

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I've always supported the moratorium
for what is considering this evening.

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AI data centers don't care about this
county, the town, the residents of the

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town, or the world or the America.
They see an opportunity to exploit cheap

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land,
lax zoning laws, and a less dense

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population to complain.
That the county IDA

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may be pushing this should scare all of
you.

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Or they're looking out for the county
with solar farms and wind.

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How many jobs did that industry bring?
You can see across the county,

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many towns are giving or considering
moratoriums like this.

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Uh Alfred and Burns both have one on
data centers.

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Angelica has the whole bass on us
problem they're dealing with. And last

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night Friendship did a moratorium
on uh battery storage facilities.

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Yes, Governor Hochul signed a
moratorium.

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But that's only on large data centers.
It doesn't protect the standard.

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Let's look at the resources
a mammoth small data center would use.

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An AI data center uses 20 terawatts
to 1 gigawatt of electricity depending

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on size.
The equivalent of 16,500

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to 826,000
households on the electric grid that we

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need right now.
Requiring these facilities from the

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power company for the last part, the
financial burden is passed on to

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commercial
and business customers with higher

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electricity bills.
States like Ohio and Virginia

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are addressing this by implementing
block tariffs for large data centers.

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New York State has no such law.
Data 89 data centers are water

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intensive.
With usage spanning from milliliters

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per query.
So, if you ask one question

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of the of the AI bot,
it uses water. Two millions of gallons

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per day for large facility.
The exact numbers depend on cooling

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methods, energy sources, and operational
scale.

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As AI adoption grows, water consumption
is becoming a real environmental

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and global resource
issues.

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AI data centers consume significant
water primarily for cooling.

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So, the per query usage range from 0.3
ml to 500 ml.

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That's a single drop of water to two
cups for every question.

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A reasonable
extrapolation

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on an annual basis of a small data
center would be 1.2

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trillion questions per year.
So, let's say that we say a cup,

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you know, go for the middle. That would
be 289.

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3 billion liters of water per day and
the equivalent of 1,250

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households
added to the town of Hume's

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fragile water system
or if they're tapping into groundwater,

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I assume before wells start drying up.
I posted a video on the community

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Facebook page that is a sound that a
small data center makes

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every
minute of every day.

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The cooling fans of an AI data center
have no stop

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with a great noise of at least 60
decibels. Even a small data center,

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and I encourage you to listen to it if
you have.

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It's on the town resource page.
Now, let's talk about jobs.

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Someone last night brought up the
proposed data center in Genesee County.

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This is a large data center
with a lot of controversy.

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It seems the only people behind it are a
few politicals and a planning and

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economic development board.
They do have the potential for 125

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jobs.
But with the sweetheart deal that the

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Genesee IDA gives
the cost of those jobs are going to be

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between 6.4 million to 11 million per
job.

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The company has received 1.46 billion in
tax breaks, and I cannot find any

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document
or data that guarantees that these jobs

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will go to Genesee County residents.
Other factors? What happens if the AI

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bubble burst?
As Wall Street expects at some point,

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does construction stop? Are promises
unfulfilled?

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What happens in 10 years when technology
has advanced and you don't need these

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huge facilities anymore? Do they become
the new closed Kmart's or abandoned

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solar fields down the road?
A moratorium doesn't mean no never,

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but it does thoughtfully allow the town
board and town residents to have a

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measured approach to any discussion and
consideration.

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So, I really encourage this board to
vote yes tonight.

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The same thing is true for bus systems.
Coming down the road, they will be

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storing less dangerous batteries than
lithium ion.

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If you look in Google battery storage
and battery storage fire,

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they could promise the town of Hume
500 fire trucks, it won't matter.

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If a fire starts in one of them in a
lithium ion battery storage facility, it

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burns until it is done. There's a
facility in California that one of the

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commissioners in Friendship went to look
at that it's burning still a year later.

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Lots of ground run off that will pollute
the water system.

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Lots of environmental
poisons for the residents of the town,

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increased problems with asthma and other
issues. And again, the town by doing

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this is just protecting themselves and
you so that someone can't sweep in, try

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to sell to somebody like that previously
happened solar

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and the town is then stuck with an AI
data center or a vast system because

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they weren't protected to prevent the
sale. Thank you.

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Danny, can I ask a question real quick?
Does the 125 jobs mean that we're

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setting one up? No.
>> Or is that once it's up, that 125 people

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run on that?
>> No,

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more people will be in it. Yeah, those
are more like the administrative,

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custodial,
security.

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Mostly these data centers are bringing
their own people.

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» Right.
>> And this is a large data center. I mean,

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this is
huge, a huge, huge project.

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There wouldn't be 125 jobs with a small
data center.

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» And they wouldn't be local.
>> Most of the jobs, beyond the unions that

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do help build it,
would be and if your union's big, yay

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you, but if it's not,
uh you know, you don't have an

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opportunity either.
Uh those would be mostly a few

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administrative, custodial,
and security. The lower-paying jobs in

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the facility, not the programming or
maintenance of the data management the

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site requires.
>> For large, general, what is a

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measurement unit that they use to
distinguish between small

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» It's in the It's in the It's
um I would have to look that up. I don't

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know it off the top of my head. But like
a small could be maybe like two football

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fields.
A large could be,

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you know, hundreds hundreds of
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smalls are 50 ft.
Smalls are 50 ft.

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Uh so, medium maybe 250 ft
or larger, but it the large is very

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large. I would have to look it up, but I
could get back to you.

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» Twin size between a small and
>> Yeah.

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» You mentioned large.
So, is that a trough or is there an

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evaporation factor? Do they recycle a
lot of their water?

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» So,
it would depend on the cooling system

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they use. But there is an evaporation
factor.

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And they try to work that in the pitch
to towns.

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Uh and Erin Brockovich, if anybody's
heard of her, has really done a lot of

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research on this water usage. Um
Uh just to say, "Oh, it's self-contained

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and we won't use that much water." It's
not true.

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Uh and they try to say that um to get
over that, but the water does evaporate

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uh depending on the type of cooling
system they use. And I think it's

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something that this industry is going to
have to really look at because this is

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what is happening in a lot of towns
where there has been a data center

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adopted. If you look at the handout, I
gave you a couple of examples of towns

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that had a data center adopted. And um
one of them in Georgia is even looking

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at how they're going to have to ration
their water or they will have real

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problems in the next decade down the
road. And the sites nearest the data

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centers
are having increasing groundwater

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problems. They have to use a pail to
flush their toilets.

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They
have to bring in drinking water because

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the sediment is so bad. And that's just
in the construction phase of the data

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center that the one town in Georgia is
dealing with. So, encourage you to read

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read that handout.
>> The other thing is battery storage

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systems under state law are considered a
public utility. So, you're not going to

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be able to stop a public utility. The
only practical thing that you can do is

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if the local municipalities want to do
this that don't have zoning,

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you would adopt the zoning law and you
establish an area where

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they could be built.
But public utilities, even with zoning,

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they are afforded under the common law,
they are afforded a deferential standard

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of review. So, you can delay them, but
you really can't stop them. And during a

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moratorium, you just can't say stop it.
What you have to do is take proactive

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steps to say how you are planning to
address it

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as part of your land use policy in the
town. Are you going to have a site use

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plan law? Are you going to establish a
planning board? Are you going to adopt

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or update your comprehensive plan to
take into consideration that stuff?

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Because the court's going to uphold
well, just a moratorium, but we're not

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going to do anything. You have to do
something within the time frame of the

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moratorium to address how you're going
to try to appeal that.

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» What said that recommended in the last
meeting was to outline very specific

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regions to avoid, like the river valley
next to a school.

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» With with zone right with zoning. You do
that with zoning. Copy and paste the

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plan and spot do that. You got that
zoning law.

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» Well, if you made a zoning law and gave
it permission at highest place in town

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away from all the water possible,
they're not going to want to come.

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» You got to be careful about that.
Careful about that cuz lawyers slaughter

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and I could probably figure a way around
it.

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» Cuz they don't have a great source of
water.

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» Correct. So, there's a couple towns over
in the Finger Lake region that I

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represent and so they wanted to do an
outright ban and they can't do it. So,

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let's let's figure out the least
attractive

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» Yeah, that word word it right.
>> Right.

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Plus
>> And you have the least 200 children.

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» They change your patience stuff for a
home here. They have to eat too. Self

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torture with sound.
With your sound.

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They say the sound has changed their
lives.

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» [snorts]
>> You said

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» Yeah, you don't want that in your
backyard.

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» As a tester I'll play it through the
fire fire siren and have it turn it down

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a little bit.

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And the what what Pat you brought up
about the the lithium batteries burning

437
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:22,399
even a
car

438
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,679
You can't put them out. Um there's
there's no possible way unless you you

439
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:32,000
take the whole car and you sink it in
about 10,000 gallons of water. And

440
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:36,200
so there's the batteries just burn.
Can't keep burning. So

441
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:38,000
» So what you're saying is an electric
school bus is not a good idea.

442
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,840
» Bad idea.
>> That's right. Yeah.

443
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:44,399
» If you If you Google
If you Google electric bus fire,

444
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:47,200
and
they come up, they're they're pretty

445
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120
scary.
>> But don't Google it because you're

446
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:52,879
causing a cup of water.
>> Yeah.

447
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,440
» Every time you Google.
>> That's true.

448
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,560
» Does anyone have more questions for
Patty?

449
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Thank you for that.
>> Thank you.

450
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:30,084
» Does anyone from the audience here have
any thoughts or questions?

451
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,104
Um Frankin?
>> [clears throat]

452
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,240
» Who would be your
planning

453
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:45,400
» Jennifer?
Uh if you go back and watch Sunday

454
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:50,000
morning with the Sunday morning show
this past week they I think it was this

455
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,400
past week or maybe the week before.
Sullivan County where my where you still

456
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,880
live.
And I said to her one day, "What are all

457
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:03,560
these buildings?" Well, they're all
battery storage and data centers.

458
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,240
They're all windowless. And now people's
houses

459
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:12,000
the value is declining. It's like
dramatically. And the sound of particles

460
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,800
Well, who would want to buy a house with
that sound? So

461
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,920
that's another little
I guess I'll be on the planning. We'd be

462
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,680
happy to be on the planning board.
Love to.

463
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,160
» Yeah.
>> It's think you know, if you want to make

464
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,400
a difference in the town, you have to
get involved. And the way to get

465
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:49,480
involved is to be a volunteer. Get on a
planning board and put your say put put

466
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,840
your experiences forward, put your
community forward. We can't serve on the

467
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:58,440
planning boards as board members. It
needs to be community members. So, if

468
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:03,000
this is
hits home or hits close to home for you,

469
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:07,240
it's essential that you consider being
part of the planning committee.

470
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:13,240
» I would ask if anyone here is interested
in that to um

471
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:20,320
go into the town office, let Don know,
and um we would um

472
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,320
look at getting a board started.

473
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,840
» I think uh you know, everybody wants to
see our town grow, wants to see it

474
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,880
prosper.
Uh we want industry, business, whatever

475
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:39,800
keeps people here,
um jobs for people, but this isn't the

476
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:44,200
way to do that. Uh data centers are not
the future for

477
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,360
growth in a community like ours.
Um

478
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:51,080
that'd be my opinion today and tomorrow
right on through, so

479
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:58,320
um you know, I think like
Mr. Buck said, we have to come up with a

480
00:37:53,720 --> 00:38:02,960
law but I to back this this
but uh I think when we do that, we need

481
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:07,920
to word it very carefully so that it is
very difficult for somebody to come in

482
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:13,680
here and put put a data center
or a large battery storage in our in our

483
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,680
in our community.
>> Nelson.

484
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,680
» Shepard.

485
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,760
» We've had it the public hearing open for
uh 15 minutes now. Do we need to go any

486
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,840
further any longer, Mr. Buck?
I mean

487
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,080
» Now, there's no further questions or
comments. Now, you

488
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:36,200
» I have a I have a question.
>> Certainly.

489
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,800
» So,
if we were to take part of the zoning

490
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,000
board, is that being at the public we
can't block it, right? We can't say I'm

491
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,520
removing it now.
>> can totally not not a

492
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,520
data centers
have not been classified as that yet.

493
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,120
» Oh, okay.
>> Battery storage centers are part of the

494
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,440
electric grid.
>> All right, they are.

495
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,760
» Yes.
>> So, but are there ways within the zoning

496
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,840
board to legally say, "Well, you can't
be within so many feet of a water

497
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,880
source" or
>> If you adopt a zone, yeah. With yeah,

498
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,160
when you adopt a zone.
>> All right, so you can make it

499
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,720
» Right. And then I'll
>> impossible to build one.

500
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,400
» Well, you can't
>> Yeah.

501
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,560
» It has to be It can't be You can't
structure it so that it's impossible.

502
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
You can structure it so that it's very
restrictive.

503
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:23,880
» Okay.
>> And then one of the other things you do

504
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:27,440
is in conjunction with a zoning law,
you adopt what's called a site plan

505
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,440
review law.
So,

506
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:36,320
yes, you can
have a project here, but now, under your

507
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:40,440
land use laws, however,
when you build it on this site,

508
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,240
planning boards are going to establish
reasonable criteria. What is reasonable

509
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,920
criteria?
We learned some of this stuff with solar

510
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,000
panel that through the solar farm.
Landscape mitigation. I don't want to

511
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,040
say it.
So,

512
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,520
» Okay.
>> what you want to do is say, "Okay,

513
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:01,840
you're going to have to build a berm
with trees on top of it." And you got to

514
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:06,080
get very specific about the types of
trees,

515
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:10,520
how tall they have to be, how often they
get watered, how often they get

516
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:15,667
replaced. You can establish a a a trust
fund to replace those trees. They have

517
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,800
to fund in advance because, you know,
>> [clears throat]

518
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:23,000
» our first
foray into this was the Dan Wolcott

519
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,120
solar farm up on uh
>> Mills Mills

520
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,720
» Mills Road.
Um

521
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:32,840
we had trees in there, but
look look at the trees. The trees are

522
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:36,800
all dormant trees. They don't replace
them. I want to say that what, 10% of

523
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:41,520
them are dead? They're dead.
But now we've learned from that with our

524
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:47,600
most recent solar project that was
called Urban Attic Campbell. We

525
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:50,800
established a trust. We made them buy uh
>> Speaking

526
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,040
» um fire fighting vehicles that have
tracks

527
00:40:52,120 --> 00:41:00,640
for each of the fire companies and they
contribute toward that. But there's only

528
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:03,960
so much money cuz there's there's really
battery storage systems in the solar

529
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:08,560
wind are a little bit different from AI.
There's a profit motive, but that is not

530
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,600
at all about power. That's about tax
credits.

531
00:41:09,378 --> 00:41:14,280
» [snorts]
>> And the reason you know that is a lot of

532
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:17,320
these companies are Canadian and
>> Yeah.

533
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:22,400
» that project Dan Wolcott's project has
been bought and sold

534
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:26,080
to my knowledge five times
since since they built

535
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:29,560
So it's all about swapping these tax
credits back and forth. That doesn't

536
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,320
contribute anything meaningful. What you
really need to have a new theory of

537
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,520
solar, especially
if you're going to be having these data

538
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:41,160
centers. You're going to have to have
that sort of electric generation

539
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,960
capability and subsequent transmission
capability that they just don't they

540
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,600
just don't have it.
So but that's how you do it. You can't

541
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,480
make it impossible cuz like I said, a
clever lawyer will get

542
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,280
» we can make it very unattractive.
>> Yes.

543
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,840
» Yes. Okay.
>> Quick key.

544
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,840
» Then
>> I know.

545
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,840
Quick chat.

546
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:07,360
» Claim hardship. They will claim
hardships if you try to keep them out

547
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,480
without having the law
>> Right.

548
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
» in place.
>> Right.

549
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:15,280
» So they'll find a way to come.
>> So wording, reasonable and strict

550
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:19,720
restrictions. And so
because you're getting into this, a lot

551
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,160
of this stuff is really the brave new
world.

552
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,080
You don't know what the courts are going
to uphold. What do you look at what

553
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:29,600
other
You You take it what when other people

554
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:34,160
have tried to restrict like really tried
to restrict windmills. They used to

555
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:39,240
allow the towns to decide if they wanted
to have wind power or not. Well,

556
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,800
eventually when Cuomo was in here, he
got pissed off with all that and he

557
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,600
wanted the money from the
solar and wind lobby. What did he do?

558
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,240
Well,
he made it an Article 10 proceeding and

559
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:54,360
took most of that authority away from
the towns and then might have violated

560
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,920
municipal home rule law.
So, that's the other thing you got to be

561
00:42:55,720 --> 00:43:01,680
careful of because eventually if Albany
sees there's a lot enough money in it,

562
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:06,760
they're just going to say, "Okay, just
like with windmill and solar, eh."

563
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,840
Okay, we're going to listen to what the
locals have to say. You can have

564
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,200
symbolic input, but the state's
ultimately going to do what they're

565
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,720
going to do.
So, if you're too restrictive with all

566
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,800
that stuff out here,
I mean, they've done it in the last 10

567
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:25,520
years with solar and wind. Now you go
through either Article 10 or I think

568
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:29,640
it's now 94-C with projects above a
certain megawatt. I think it's 5

569
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:33,760
megawatt.
Towns don't really have it. All the

570
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:37,240
approval's vested with the PSU out of
Albany.

571
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,960
So, but to answer your question, yes, if
you decide to do

572
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,160
a zoning law, but it doesn't have to be
complicated. Zoning law doesn't have to

573
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,600
be complicated. You can have three
zones.

574
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Business zone, which could be primarily
uh what was the village of Fillmore.

575
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,720
And
residential and then the rest of it.

576
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:59,760
Then you say,
"With respect to data centers, we can

577
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:05,320
limit size. You got to make sure they
contribute to roads and all that stuff."

578
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:10,320
But a zoning law does not have to be all
that complicated. It's got to be precise

579
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:15,560
and exact, but it doesn't have to be all
that complicated because traditionally

580
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,600
uh in the southern tier
folks just want to be able to do with

581
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,080
their property what what they want to be
able to do with their property under the

582
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:27,320
fifth amendment. You got to have that
balance. And it's only when things like

583
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:33,360
I mean the last wave of
development that prompted municipalities

584
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:37,200
to adopt zoning light or some form of
zoning law was Dollar General. They

585
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,840
don't want Dollar Generals to sell what?
They can't do it. You at least have to

586
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,680
have a site plan review law and a
planning

587
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:49,560
Otherwise
if I want if I own 10 acres, I want to

588
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:53,840
sell that to Dollar General for 3 and
1/2 million dollars, that's my right.

589
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:58,360
And if there's no land use
controls in place, that's it.

590
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:02,560
It's cowboy country. So, you got to
balance balance it.

591
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:07,160
So,
that's why you elect these fellows and

592
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,160
fellas.

593
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,600
» Anyone else?

594
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Okay.

595
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,240
Now, we need to go ahead and vote.

596
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Yes.
>> Well, it's going to the vote is going to

597
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:36,676
be you would adopt it subject to the
review by the county planning

598
00:45:34,656 --> 00:45:36,676
» [clears throat]

599
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,120
» I'll make the motion that
Rich suggested.

600
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960
In Rich's words.
>> Subject to review

601
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,400
» by the county
>> by the county planning

602
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,480
» Subject to review
>> by the county planning. Yes.

603
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:02,440
It's backwards, but we can
We don't have to do secrets exempt under

604
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:07,760
a 617.5 236
of the DPC regulations. We do have to do

605
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,760
it at 2:39 average.

606
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,280
» And we have a second.

607
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,600
» I'll second it.
>> Starting second.

608
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,920
I'll call the vote. Um Tammy?
>> Yes.

609
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,160
» To accept?
Warren?

610
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,160
» Yes.

611
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,280
» Starting?
>> Yes.

612
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,480
» Pete to
>> Yes.

613
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:38,960
» Mandy?
>> Yes.

614
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,960
» Okay. Paul Carey?

615
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Need a motion to approve the motion of
Carey.

616
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,240
» So moved.
>> I'll second that.

617
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,560
» 746
>> They got it in there.

618
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,120
» 746
>> Yes.

619
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,640
» Pete to make it a second.
>> Thank you.

620
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,680
» Tammy?
>> Yes.

621
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,560
» Terry?
>> Yes.

622
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,840
» Warren?
>> Yes.

623
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,760
» Pete?
>> Yes.

624
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,160
» Mandy?
>> Yes.

625
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:47,000
» Paul Carey?
>> [clears throat]

626
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:52,960
» Okay. So, I'm going to work we had
Monday we had an update from

627
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,040
on the water analysis.
And they had questions. We met with of

628
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,920
for about an
uh an and a half.

629
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:04,880
And they had more questions, so we had
to answer those questions. And we are

630
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:08,400
going to have uh I need a motion for
this.

631
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:16,560
Uh a
community town hall water rate meeting

632
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:21,280
September 2nd
at 7:00.

633
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:26,160
And I hope to be able to get the school.
If not, we will be here. And then we'll

634
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:31,840
we'll have that on our website
to confirm what place we will uh be at.

635
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,720
» You said September 2nd?
>> September 2nd, which is a Wednesday.

636
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:42,880
They could not meet here tonight because
we moved our meeting up. We asked them

637
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:47,640
if they could come August 26th, uh our
our regular second meeting of the month,

638
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:51,960
and they could not be here on the 26th
uh 26th, so we decided just to, you

639
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,880
know, do a
community

640
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:58,920
town hall meeting tomorrow.
>> I'll make the motion

641
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,920
to hold that meeting.
>> Keith made a motion to uh have that

642
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,360
on September 2nd.
Yes.

643
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:12,680
A second?
>> I'll second.

644
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:16,200
» One seconded.
Roll call.

645
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Tanny?
>> Yes.

646
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,920
» Warren?
>> Yes.

647
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,200
» Excuse me, Darlene. I was supposed to
say you first. I was going down the

648
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,280
line. I apologize. Thank you.
Darlene?

649
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,960
» Yes.
>> Keith?

650
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,200
» Yes.
>> Andy?

651
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,840
» Yes.
>> All carried.

652
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,680
» And we will have a handout for you that
evening.

653
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:45,440
And uh Becky Sims will be there along
with Challis.

654
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,440
» Memphis.

655
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:52,000
» Uh they've got they've done a lot of
work thus far, but there was just a few

656
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:56,520
more things they needed, so um
I look forward to

657
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,920
uh Mr. Matth Challis, Mr. Matth Challis
uh

658
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:04,280
is the other gentleman. So, I look
forward to that meeting. So, put that on

659
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:09,640
your calendar and then we'll be on the
just water rates. They're doing just

660
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:15,200
water rates right now. Then once they go
through that, then they'll be doing the

661
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,200
sewer rate analysis.

662
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Okay, let's go on to highway, Kevin.
>> The only thing I have is

663
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,440
uh I
got all my paperwork in

664
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:34,320
to the state to get reimbursed for our
chips money.

665
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:37,920
And you should see a check for that
around September 10th.

666
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,880
» Okay, what date the
your chips?

667
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,800
» September 10th is
>> September 10th?

668
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:55,080
» Should be in by the 7th of August.
>> For your chips within the year?

669
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:57,440
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

670
00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:01,320
» That's
That's all I have. I'm just going to

671
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,360
throw maintenance in this
past.

672
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,240
» Okay.
Uh we'll go on to museum.

673
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:13,880
» Um I'm going to start with a technical
note and I noticed on that Hume-Muscol

674
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:20,320
website they posted a link to that
Filmer-Hume info. I hope you're running

675
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:26,840
virus software. Norton has labeled it as
a malicious website that has tracking

676
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:31,920
information and it's going to download
all kinds of crap on your computer for

677
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:36,640
pop-ups or whatever. Um and I'm not the
only one that got that message flagged

678
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:41,080
by my when I went to click on it to see
what was there. So, if you are not

679
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,640
running virus software and you've
clicked on it, then you really need to

680
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:50,120
have your computers checked and get some
virus software on it because it is

681
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:53,880
you know, it it has malicious software
embedded in it. And I think that's

682
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:58,760
probably how he's making his money.
Um as far as the museum goes, we are

683
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:03,080
trying to match up items with the
donated list so that we can get ready

684
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:08,280
and move upstairs. Rosemary has been
coming up and helping me. I had an email

685
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:13,680
from a community member about
fundraising for the museum. As a

686
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:20,600
historian, I cannot raise funds. We need
to have a historical society in order to

687
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:25,080
raise funds and create um
money for items for the museum and other

688
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,400
historical projects in the community.
So, um we've had a couple of meetings.

689
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Rosemary's been the only one that showed
up. We had them published in the a

690
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,680
monthly newsletter. Um
and I'm going to, you know, get some

691
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:42,800
more dates out there after the end of
August and um

692
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:46,440
all I can say is the only way we're
going to get the museum open and get it

693
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:51,800
interactive and get it going is that
it's going to have to be a community

694
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:56,920
effort. It cannot just be me or Rosemary
or one or two people because it is a

695
00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:00,120
tremendously large project to get it to
where we want it to be.

696
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Okay. Um
and that's basically what we're doing

697
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:12,280
there.
>> Okay, I know on the the lift

698
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:15,840
we got the carpentry part of it um
approved.

699
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,360
Uh we've got to wait for the Spectrum to
come and install the phone line in the

700
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:24,960
lift because there is a phone. If
someone is unable to raise it lower or

701
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,920
get stuck in the middle, they have a way
of contacting somebody on the outside.

702
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:34,040
So, we're
waiting on Spectrum to do that. Then the

703
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:38,640
um lift people will come up to Syracuse
and inspect it with the weights. And at

704
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,520
that time they will be showing us how to
use the lift.

705
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,680
» Do you have a time frame on it?
>> Um

706
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,760
well I'm going to be gone
so they said they would contact me when

707
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:56,640
I got back.
And that would give Spectrum time to

708
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,640
come and and put in the phone line.

709
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,280
» Justice.
>> Status quo.

710
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,360
» Status quo. Our judge is on vacation for
this

711
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:13,400
for this month so there won't be a
>> There will not be a DA day in August.

712
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,760
No, not that till September.
>> Okay.

713
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Okay, now we're going to go into the
community forum.

714
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,440
First on the
agenda is Dave Stenzel.

715
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,480
Dave, you have 5 minutes.
>> All right, I'm Dave. I'm going to ask

716
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,880
that you use the mic so that we record
it, please. Thank you. And if everybody

717
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,840
could speak up, I'd greatly appreciate
it.

718
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:49,000
» Got to my issue with
the laundromat and we had to reimburse

719
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,680
for all
damage.

720
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,880
» So
>> and uh Darlene looked into it. Insurance

721
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,160
company said it
wasn't even posted on the website.

722
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,880
I don't know when it was or when it was
on the website. Was it a half an hour

723
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,040
before or was it a day before? I don't
know. Um I have a letter here I'm going

724
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,840
to give to the town. I'd like to
introduce it and

725
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,840
ask for a

726
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,680
How do I put it? I can I can actually
I'll just read the letter, it'll be

727
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:18,720
easier. Uh business owner relies on the
delivery of clean water to provide a

728
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,480
quality service to its customers and to
guarantee that no damage to the

729
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,880
customer's personal belongings or
businesses' equipment happens again,

730
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,920
I'm requesting the board try to enact a
policy of notifying businesses that rely

731
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,920
on water for their operation and also
the school for certain health reasons

732
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:40,120
prior to any change in water flow
direction or excessive use of water that

733
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:44,560
may happen which could potentially stir
up iron in the system. Uh this could be

734
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:50,400
accomplished by uh simple phone call
group or text group, uh a Facebook page,

735
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,600
uh so the water it will not it's not
going to affect the water department's

736
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:59,480
ability to perform its work, whether
it's planned or emergency. I'm willing

737
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:03,840
to go out and go to the businesses, get
all the numbers, do whatever we got to

738
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:09,200
do to do this, but
I lost 8% of my profit for the year in

739
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,200
one day.
8% one day.

740
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,240
And that's not the first time it's
happened.

741
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Um I can claim it on my insurance, but I
have a deductible. Talk to insurance, he

742
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,000
said, "Okay, you're going to have your
deductible. We still have we're not

743
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:27,160
going to get it all back because the
deductible's not not I And then our

744
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,960
policy's going to go up. So, I'm not
sure why I have insurance because why

745
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,000
claim it if your policy's just going to
go up? You know, we already discussed

746
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:37,880
that with the insurance agent. But this
is just I'm willing to do the legwork on

747
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:42,080
this to get a to get the group together
because I know the car wash we want, I

748
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,960
know Sarah the bakery want, and I know
the school um

749
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,640
they they weren't in session at time,
but [clears throat]

750
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,800
iron is a secondary contaminant. There
is no

751
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,800
ill health effect as a norm, but when
the water was coming in that day, I can

752
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:58,640
guarantee you there's some child who
drank that water, they would have had

753
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,920
intestinal problems that night.
Guarantee.

754
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,160
It was like coffee coming in the
building.

755
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:07,240
So, not only protect the businesses, I
want to protect the kids, anybody who

756
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,560
would have drank that water by mistake.
I mean, cuz a kid if he drinks out of a

757
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,720
drinking fountain or something, I don't
know what they have at school anymore.

758
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,480
They don't drink at fountains, they have
water stations, whatever they call it.

759
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:19,520
So, but now I'm willing to do the
legwork on it. It's just something I

760
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,560
wish you guys could you know, approve or
look into. You know,

761
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,960
next next month is fine, just something
I want to make it where

762
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,280
a text goes out to all of us quick.
Because if I were to shut my business

763
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,680
down for the hour till they cleared it
up,

764
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,560
I wouldn't have lost any money at all.
My customers are going to come back and

765
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:40,520
I'll pay later.
It's not a problem, but I lost I lost

766
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,440
over $1,000
in one day. And that's the second time

767
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,040
it happened. The last time this happened
was the last time they had a leak across

768
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,480
from your house.
When they leak there

769
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,880
no notification.
I mean it was an emergency, I

770
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:55,160
understand, but I would have shut down.
And I had four people that I had

771
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,120
reimbursed at those four back then. And
that was it wasn't as much.

772
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Unfortunately, we had one guy who had
Ariat shirts.

773
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:05,240
If anybody knows what an Ariat shirt is,
they're a hard to hard shirt. They're

774
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,880
100 bucks a piece.
But now I got a letter here. Hand it to

775
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,520
you. If you If you introduce it in, it
would be great.

776
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Um
That's

777
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,680
All I have and I thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dave.

778
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,760
» Thanks, Dave.
>> Um Dave, I can put out a an email to the

779
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:26,800
New York alert
to try to uh

780
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,720
set up with them. We have to be eligible
for it, so that's what they're looking

781
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,240
at.
>> All right. If not, do something local.

782
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,240
Like I said, I'm willing to do the
legwork.

783
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,960
» Okay, thank you very much.
>> If you want to do the local, I'd like to

784
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:43,280
review that.
How much exposure to the town is and

785
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:47,120
discuss it as well with the insurance
>> Say that again to me.

786
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,200
» Before you adopt any policy, I want to
look into that and I want to also

787
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,960
discuss it with the insurance company
and make sure

788
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,880
» Yes. Yes.
Richard?

789
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,400
» I have a I have a question for you,
David. Can you This is a new number this

790
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:01,080
is for your party here.
Very You probably have it here.

791
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,320
» Yes.
>> Uh I have a good friend that owns a

792
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:09,360
laundry mat.
He has to have a filter system.

793
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,080
You don't You don't have a filter
system?

794
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,040
» No. And I don't have that.
>> There's no There's no

795
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,600
uh requirements that make you have
>> Correct. No, there's no requirements for

796
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:24,600
a filter system on a laundry mat. And a
system on a 2-in line coming in and on a

797
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:30,200
that day it happened to be busier busy
and the system that size would cost me

798
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,120
probably between 30 and 50 thousand
dollars.

799
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,520
And a little business like that can I I
can't.

800
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,840
» I I understand. I'm just bringing it to
your Yeah.

801
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:43,000
There's something figured in there.
I heard that you had put in this, but I

802
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,400
just I I didn't know if
>> No. No, no, no.

803
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,960
» Cuz that would have saved a lot of you.
>> Oh, sure.

804
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:53,800
» I I I understand that you know.
But same

805
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,840
I have to have a small filter system on
mine and no water meter. Ours is an

806
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
equipment.
So, I'm just

807
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,720
» Okay.
>> going

808
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,640
» Okay, next on the docket is Bill and
Kathy Brewer.

809
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,960
» You can use this one, too, if you want
to.

810
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,520
» Well, I want
>> He can have one.

811
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:25,160
» I'm going to let him talk.
I [clears throat] don't know where I'll

812
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:30,160
start. Um first of all, Bill and I are
here at the direction of Tammy Potter in

813
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:35,480
the clerk's office who said when there's
an issue like ours that we have to

814
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:38,760
present at the board. So, here we are.
>> Kathy, can you hold the mic away?

815
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:43,080
» Okay. Thank you.
We're here at the direction of Tammy

816
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:48,360
Potter from the town clerk's office who
said this is procedure for our concern

817
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:52,560
such as ours.
We are here tonight to ask for

818
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:57,080
assistance in correcting our water bill
for the last two quarters, January

819
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:02,280
through June.
We have paid the current bill of $539.13

820
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:10,200
under protest hoping that now that we
have consulted Corey Potter and an

821
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:14,600
outside water expert that you will hear
us out on our situation.

822
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:19,920
At first we thought the bills since
January something to do with the upping

823
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:25,720
of the sewer and water charges. And of
course, this is a minor part of it, but

824
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:29,520
after examining the situation, it has
become evident that there were other

825
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:34,680
considerations.
For instance, we are two people in a

826
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:41,360
household. National average is 50
gallons per day usage. We do two loads

827
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:47,440
of wash a week in our efficiency washer.
We do one load of dishes every other day

828
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:51,520
using 5 to 7 gallons of water. Two
showers a day generally average 6

829
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:57,240
minutes.
Flushing toilets for long duration, and

830
01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:02,520
all of our yard is watered by rain water
and rain water from rain barrels.

831
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Our entire house was then checked for
leaks, and there were none, including

832
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:14,400
toilets by 5 to 4 minutes.
Our water softener used 5 gallons two

833
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:21,000
times a week for regeneration.
And as it happened, we called again. He

834
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:25,680
came to our house, and was soon to
notice our outside meter was

835
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:30,760
non-functional.
And our inside meter was also frozen and

836
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:35,400
non-functional,
and was at least 24 years old.

837
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:43,680
We had no idea how long the meter was
actually non-functional, and wondered it

838
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:48,440
was how long was not tested and put in
for our usage.

839
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:55,440
Corey immediately installed a new meter,
and we put in average averaging 27 to 50

840
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:58,840
gallons a day. He tells us on monitoring
those each morning and

841
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:04,640
our figures.
It is difficult to say how many gallons

842
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:09,520
the actual home actually uses a month,
as the readings are often down, like on

843
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,760
the 25th of the month, but then that
extra gallons will be on the 12th of the

844
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:18,720
next week.
Tammy at the clerk's office noted that

845
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:25,400
the average two-person house is between
a $250 and $300 bill right now. And our

846
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:31,040
the other
house is on the right street.

847
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:35,320
I know that you say you can't compare
it, but we compared it to many loads of

848
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:40,200
wash and when you're done, how many
grandchildren are in our house and how

849
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,680
many in that house. We will gladly pay
something we have used and all of us

850
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:49,560
have, but there is something wrong with
our water billing. Your attention to

851
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:55,720
this matter will be appreciated. We need
to know when our meter was actually

852
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:59,960
stopped and why and how estimates were
able to be done as our water

853
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:05,560
bill went up
when we were working from home lately.

854
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:08,520
Thank you for listening.
And um

855
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,920
» So, y'all all
passed away last year. This favors some

856
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:15,920
people in Charlotte. This is a list of
water bills

857
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:19,520
for the last 9 years.
And uh you'll see that it's pretty

858
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,160
balanced.
It's my

859
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,280
especially Mr. Norman who used this
spring water so much.

860
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:30,880
And uh our meter was
it was part of the time where because

861
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:34,800
they were in school still. And after
2019, they didn't live with us.

862
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:39,160
So,
there were four people at one time, but

863
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:42,840
after that, you know, it went up. And we
had a couple of spikes here and you can

864
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:46,600
look at this this way. In the back of
the video,

865
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:50,640
the last year,
at the very end where we had a big bill.

866
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:55,880
We got hit with sure a couple of large
ones in there. And I don't know whether

867
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:59,760
that's because of uh
the meter was in work. You don't know

868
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:03,760
how long it was cuz it's 24 years old.
There used to be a place to read this.

869
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:07,920
And uh
So, when I took this off the wall,

870
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:11,640
excuse me, finish.
And this is the outside of the meter.

871
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:15,920
Nobody said I had to pay this with the
inside

872
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:19,800
except quarterly.
That one time. So

873
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:24,860
as he's out you can look at them. If you
have questions you can ask me.

874
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,860
» [clears throat]

875
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,920
» Thanks very much.
You're welcome, too.

876
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,640
Thank you, yes.

877
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Eric Delson.

878
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Thank you, Darlene.

879
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:25,560
That's very well.
Hey, we're going to motion to go to the

880
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:29,240
table this until we have time to take a
look at this.

881
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:36,000
So we need a motion. I'll make a motion
to table the brewers water issue.

882
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:42,520
I'll second that. Who second it?
Pete, Andy. Andy.

883
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:46,600
Did you table um
To to look into it.

884
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:51,160
Look into it further. Table the brewers
water situation until we have time to

885
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,160
take a look at it.

886
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,040
Um

887
01:06:54,120 --> 01:07:00,320
Roll call.
Darlene. Yes.

888
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:04,240
Danny. Yes.
Lawrence. Yes.

889
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:10,400
Pete. Yes.
Andy. Yes.

890
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,400
So Terry, thank you.

891
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,880
Okay, next on the community forum is
Linda Deegan.

892
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,600
Hello.

893
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,760
Thank you for the holes. I'm going to
sit down here for a minute. Um

894
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,960
And
first I want to say this is part of

895
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:36,080
talking about what I have to say is
about the community being involved. And

896
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:39,840
so when Dave said up When Dave said I
will be the feet to do that, to take

897
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:44,600
care of finding phone numbers and stuff,
that's what we need. We need citizens to

898
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:50,280
step up and help with the issues. I
appreciate that a lot a lot. Um and when

899
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:53,840
Sarah Sardina talked to you at the end
of the last board meeting and she said I

900
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:58,360
was there and she said, "Could you do
that? Put the phone numbers down and

901
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:04,200
call us all up?" At that point I'm going
to say the same thing. Sarah, maybe you

902
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:10,000
could put a list together and then they
could put it out there or whatever. Um

903
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:16,359
so community involvement is great. Um
and when you're looking about um

904
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:20,240
a planning board, I have paperwork to
help planning boards here um and

905
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:25,839
responsibilities,
um town laws uh 271 creation membership

906
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:30,960
training for planning boards. So if
anyone is interested like uh

907
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:36,200
Jen said she'd be interested in doing
that. So I've got the paperwork for

908
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:41,359
that. Um and then I can hand them hand
out you can pick up the priorities for

909
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:47,440
the community. Um it was a survey that
was done in 2020 three four. Um the last

910
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:52,920
planning committee uh
was 2010 and the paperwork was put out.

911
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:56,359
Um and some folks here I was on the last
one. I think Rosemary was on the

912
01:08:54,440 --> 01:09:00,600
planning um
committee, not the planning board, but

913
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:04,680
um coming up with priorities for the
community of what we need. The 10-year

914
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:09,480
the 10-year plan and the 10-year plan.
Daryl was on it, too, the first time in

915
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:14,480
2010. Eliana, Greg McCord, oh, there
were several gentlemen on it. Um,

916
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:21,040
and so, this is what has been put out.
Now, if we they had at the board meeting

917
01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:26,400
in January, a year ago January, um, here
Daryl came and spoke to

918
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:30,160
the community here.
Um,

919
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:33,600
there were some people here from the
from the committee I've been on, Rev

920
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:38,000
William, and
a group for 5 years trying to do extra

921
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:41,520
things in town that maybe the board
doesn't can't do, it doesn't have time

922
01:09:39,799 --> 01:09:44,960
to do, and we have to rely on the board
for some things

923
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:50,920
that have to be legally done if we're
trying to do something.

924
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:55,160
Um, and so, this was discussed at that
board meeting, and here made a point of

925
01:09:53,839 --> 01:10:04,120
saying,
"The things on this list that the

926
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:08,520
community members asked for in a survey
need to be implemented

927
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:13,120
by the community.
And then it can be run through the town

928
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:19,280
board."
Um, so, if you picked one up, um, the

929
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:23,160
first one on the list was we need
medical services in the area.

930
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,440
Um,
that's done.

931
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:33,640
Um, it's not going to happen. So, number
two, um, we need senior citizens senior

932
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:37,040
housing. Um, I went to a meeting on
housing at the Crossroads,

933
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:42,120
um,
with the county legislators, with

934
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:47,800
supervisors, with Jason Iserman, who's
head of the land bank.

935
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:51,720
Kier Doran, Stacy Berasley, um,
people there were there representing

936
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:56,080
school districts, um, and we're thinking
about housing because some of the school

937
01:10:54,160 --> 01:11:00,040
districts are talking about children and
families that are living in cars

938
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:05,480
and living in campers.
And the shape of what's happening at

939
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:11,120
schools right now. Um so they were
talking about housing um

940
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:15,320
and this this number two on the list of
senior housing in this community has if

941
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,760
you can read it here it's come up
before. It's been discussed in 2010 it

942
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:25,640
was a priority.
Um and here we are 16 years later and

943
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:29,640
we're again looking at senior housing. I
went to a

944
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,080
a seminar on
uh

945
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:36,240
grants uh
state grants, county grants, whatever at

946
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:41,560
um
the Cuba library a few weeks ago

947
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:45,720
um and money's available. They told us
to not call it senior housing and

948
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:50,520
instead call it elderly housing. I'm not
sure why but anyway so there there is

949
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:55,480
money out there. We had to become a
pro-housing community in order to tap

950
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:58,600
into some of those funds. So I asked
Darlene and she

951
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:03,120
would do the paperwork for
to make us a pro-housing community.

952
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:08,280
Ashley said that the county I've talked
to her several times and met with her.

953
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:13,160
She helped Darlene put that together and
then at one of the board meetings a few

954
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:17,720
months ago they voted to yes accept that
we are pro-housing community to get

955
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:22,400
funds. Um
so you can see on the list um some of

956
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:28,640
the things that they wanted um
the community put together and there's

957
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:33,240
the signers to have. Um
And on the the community vision I've got

958
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:38,320
some other papers but this was on the
website also.

959
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:44,240
They We want to foster community pride.
Um we want to provide support to

960
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:48,880
residents to help clean up properties.
Um we want senior housing it's a high

961
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:53,680
priority. We want to showcase and
enhance Hughes history.

962
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:58,160
Um
All right. Um

963
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:02,440
affordable housing is a top priority. Um
in addition, the lack of senior housing

964
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:07,440
will push aging residents, many who
lived here for decades, to seek housing

965
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,760
outside the area. We don't want that.
Um

966
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:16,600
so we need to create a business plan
with market research, um tax incentives,

967
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:20,320
and market ideas to get developers to
come in the area.

968
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:26,080
This has been something that I have
tried to work on for a while now. Um

969
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:30,320
and bring it up often at our regular
Fillmore Friends of Hue meetings, and

970
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:34,080
try to talk to several people in the
county

971
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:39,160
about what they can do
senior housing here, elderly housing. Um

972
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:44,400
and
um under community resources, um

973
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:48,360
what is
uh in the list of things that we want to

974
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:52,680
do, strategies, would be expand the
water sewer to attract developers,

975
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,560
expand water districts into Wiscoy and
Rossburg, provide residents with

976
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:01,760
resources to maintain properties and
remove blight, recruit volunteers for

977
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:06,960
emergency fire and emergency services,
as well as community organizations.

978
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:10,560
There's such a lack of that. I mean, Jen
will tell you about that as a EMT worker

979
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:14,000
that they're they need
We need help. Um

980
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:18,640
also,
recruiting volunteers. Also, working

981
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:22,360
with the University of Rochester, um
more or less providers to expand medical

982
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:26,160
services into Hue.
That was a wish.

983
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:30,160
Um
let's see. And foster balance between

984
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:33,920
development and rural character. Um we
need oversight for land use development,

985
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:37,120
site plan reviews, and other land
regulations.

986
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:40,400
Um and we discourage development of
farmland on the flood plain. And there

987
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:45,280
will be some new
flood plain

988
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:49,600
numbers coming out of lake areas in 2027
from the county, um

989
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:52,840
that I was told I heard that
will not make some people happy.

990
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,000
Um,
because property is slowly changing.

991
01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:02,080
That So,
I talked to 2 months ago I talked to

992
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:06,800
David Cartwright in person. We sat down
and talked. Um,

993
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:10,360
he did not know there was going to be an
audit done. I said you could have saved

994
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:14,320
yourself some money and everything else
because an audit will show you where the

995
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:18,080
discrepancies are. But what he is
telling me now

996
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:23,720
I talked to him Sunday. Um, he said well
on that website that people can look up

997
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:28,480
it has malicious I know what I'm saying
is he said to me he said said tell

998
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:31,480
people to get on there and look at it.
And then we might put it on. So, I did

999
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,120
not put it on.
>> Um,

1000
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:37,040
» Your five is up. So, if you just take
your time.

1001
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:43,040
» So, so anyway, I'll I'll I'll finish it.
Yeah. So, so when I talked to to David,

1002
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,680
I said if you're coming back here to
live,

1003
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:49,160
here are some things that you can work
on. Take your time and I don't know if

1004
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:54,880
you want to come back here. This is what
the people in this community ask for.

1005
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:58,400
These things. And so, um, if you're
coming back, let's work on some of those

1006
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:02,200
things. So,
anyway, thanks to everyone that does

1007
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,200
things in the community and that's
trying to

1008
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:11,280
make this a better place for even the
youngsters. Um, and there are sacrifices

1009
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,800
to be made. There will be sacrifices to
be made.

1010
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:19,080
» Thank you, David.
>> Yeah.

1011
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:19,080
» You carried the list.

1012
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,600
» Next on the community forum is Tom
Bauer.

1013
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,080
You want to stand in front of the camera
from the system? That's fine.

1014
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,440
Oh.
>> lots of

1015
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:52,680
» I'll post in person in the spring.
>> Yeah, right. Yeah.

1016
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:56,760
Tony, last month you mentioned something
about the fire contracts and in saying

1017
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:00,280
and where was that deep down?
>> We're doing them tonight.

1018
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:05,240
We're voting on them tonight.
>> Okay. I did look into that.

1019
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,280
Though, fire protection contracts shall
not be entered into until a hearing has

1020
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:13,600
been held by the town
>> Okay. Um you really need to

1021
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:17,760
» Can you get a I mean directional mic?
>> Yeah, that's always

1022
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:17,760
Ready?

1023
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,360
» Okay.
>> If we're going to do this.

1024
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:26,440
Um fire protection contracts uh
shall not be entered into until a public

1025
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:30,480
hearing has been held by the town board
for town law

1026
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:33,880
chapter 62 article 11 section 184
paragraph two

1027
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,600
and the town board by resolution
determines contracts in the public

1028
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,320
interest.
Paragraph one section 184 paragraph

1029
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,200
eight.
Now

1030
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:47,960
» Here here.
>> The only reason that I bring this up is

1031
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:52,640
as Linda mentioned and everyone knows
that we have a real problem uh manning

1032
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,320
the ambulance in the fire.
>> Doing what again?

1033
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:58,880
» Manning the ambulance in the fire.
>> Oh, yeah.

1034
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:02,280
» And so I mean that's the purpose of the
public hearing is so we can have a

1035
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:06,240
community discussion just like with the
fire and just like we did with battery

1036
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,200
and
and the

1037
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:13,880
AI
and nonsense. Uh so, but and and no

1038
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:16,280
one's here to criticize anyone, but we
just got to get it out there and admit

1039
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,680
it.
We got a problem.

1040
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:28,600
And other towns have addressed the
ambulance. The county does contract MTS

1041
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:33,480
as backup service for the entire town.
And if I recall right, there's a $1

1042
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:39,280
million line item county budget.
And so we really should make better use

1043
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:44,280
of that in my opinion, and and how empty
our page for transporting

1044
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:49,640
on the initial page. And so in case we
can't go out here, but they're what

1045
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:53,920
human Again, that is for the public
hearing. And we can, you know, have put

1046
01:18:51,840 --> 01:19:01,040
these things out there, these gossip.
So, I would urge that the town can

1047
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:06,200
comply with home loan net issue.
So, also,

1048
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:10,840
Mr. Towns, on the water issue, and
obviously we need to do something there

1049
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:13,160
to alert people when there's a problem.
Uh but

1050
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:18,680
we really need to get to the root
problem.

1051
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:23,800
Why is the water so discolored
with the iron bacteria?

1052
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:27,440
And as for my it was the iron and the
lead. So, once the system is

1053
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:31,160
contaminated with these possible lead
and iron bacteria,

1054
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,280
» Iron is actually an iron bacteria. It's
hard to tell if you have iron bacteria.

1055
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,640
The only way you're going to know that
is if your water pulls when it boils. If

1056
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:41,880
you don't get iron bacteria, I I I've
I've never seen it as an iron bacteria.

1057
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:45,480
It's just a a fair iron problem. It's
just a That's a high concentration of

1058
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:50,000
it, which
the states that their MCLs are

1059
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:53,760
secondary, not a primary. And so,
>> Right. And and to get to the root

1060
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:58,480
problem, to assure that you don't have
a problem,

1061
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:02,400
you probably Right. As a community,
we need to get to the root problem,

1062
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:06,160
which is flushing the system.
Uh I I know I was thinking I don't

1063
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:11,320
really want to flush it.
You know, one of the fighting lines is

1064
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,320
holding the money here, baby.

1065
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:19,800
That's why MCLs are put on secondary,
and iron is secondary, and and water is

1066
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:24,240
secondary.
Um so, in a long run, the primary advice

1067
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:28,760
is that you need to ensure that people's
property is ruined in the basement. So,

1068
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,920
So, we need to get to the root of that
problem.

1069
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:35,160
I know
it's great, but we need to get to the

1070
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:40,160
real problem first.
So, and then lastly, I just wanted to

1071
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:42,720
kind of remind you that
you work at the PD.

1072
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,360
» Savage.
>> A lot of groups.

1073
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,800
I don't mean to call him names, I just
criticize him when I come here.

1074
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:51,400
» Totally.
>> You have to be honest here.

1075
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,640
» Thank you.
>> I appreciate it.

1076
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:58,680
» Thank you.
>> Thanks, Nolan. Uh Todd.

1077
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:01,560
Could I have that uh could I have what
you had there, that law? You have that

1078
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,000
written?
>> Yeah.

1079
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:10,240
» Sure, Mr. Buckman.
>> Yeah.

1080
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,440
Do you want to take a quick look?
>> Sure.

1081
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:17,600
» Cuz I was going to do the contracts
tonight.

1082
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,600
Show him what it is. Thank you.

1083
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:26,400
Did he have
Did he have a right?

1084
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,840
» No, that's fine.
Go on.

1085
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,000
» Thank you.
>> Yep. Jim's got us covered.

1086
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,440
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1087
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,560
» Um
>> You keep sitting here.

1088
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:40,720
» Okay, that's it for the meeting forum.
Um so, I'm going to go down to the dog

1089
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,360
control officer,
which isn't here tonight, right?

1090
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:48,240
» Mr. Chief, the dog control officer.
>> Okay.

1091
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:53,760
Um we did we have a report in here, but
we also um

1092
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:55,960
had an inspection of the
kennel

1093
01:21:55,160 --> 01:22:01,640
um
unsatisfactory.

1094
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:05,360
But, she is now naming the town that
she's unsatisfied with them.

1095
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,680
» Who was that again?
>> I'm sorry, I can't

1096
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,880
» Okay.
Um which I appreciate that because she

1097
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:16,160
would never before name the who was
doing the problem and what the problem

1098
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:20,920
Well, we know what the problem is.
Conditions on the shelter and then poor

1099
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:26,080
record keeping for the town.
Uh that she named there.

1100
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,080
So, um

1101
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:34,680
And he passed his inspection
Richfield so

1102
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:40,280
we're we're good there.
Rich do you have anything for legal that

1103
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:44,440
you could
>> No no nothing that's

1104
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:47,440
been asked
by me to look into it now.

1105
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,440
» Okay.
Town clerk.

1106
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,800
» I got no permits.
>> And

1107
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:58,080
any licenses are out?
Yes it's been busy with the hunting

1108
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,080
licenses yeah.

1109
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:04,600
All right.
Now to the supervisor do I have the

1110
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:06,080
privilege of doing our fire contract Mr.
Buffalo?

1111
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:10,760
» I don't know
correct.

1112
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,760
» Okay.

1113
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,680
» I don't see any exception for a renewal
someone someone renewal right?

1114
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,280
» It's a renewal.
>> Yeah I don't see any exception for a

1115
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,440
renewal I don't know.
>> So we need to do a public hearing next

1116
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:28,400
meeting?
>> Yes yes that will be with notice.

1117
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:33,960
» With notice okay.
>> Make sure you get an affidavit of

1118
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,960
publication for that in the newspaper.

1119
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,760
» Did you hear him?

1120
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,680
Okay we need a motion then for um

1121
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:48,000
» For public hearing?
>> Public hearing for the

1122
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:53,720
firemen's contract
for September

1123
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:56,160
8th 9th?
>> Is that our regular meeting?

1124
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,200
» Yes that that will be our regular
meeting. Yes.

1125
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:03,040
» September 9th.
>> September 9th.

1126
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:06,960
» I'll make a motion.
I'll for September 9th.

1127
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:10,040
» I'll second that.
>> Andy second?

1128
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,640
Vote to accept Arlene.
>> Yes.

1129
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,320
» Uh Tammy.
>> Yes.

1130
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,960
» Warren.
>> Yes.

1131
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:31,160
» Pete?
>> I abstain from the 10.

1132
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,160
» Pete abstain.

1133
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:35,640
Who abstained
Andy?

1134
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,760
» Yes.
>> You?

1135
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:42,920
So carried.
>> Okay.

1136
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:47,200
Um
We had an update the other day the

1137
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:52,600
gentleman came in from the um
bridge over on County Route 4.

1138
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:58,520
Uh, they will be switching to the other
side in about 2 weeks.

1139
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:02,920
I wanted people to know this.
And um

1140
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:07,200
I've been asked several times
where are they getting their water?

1141
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,800
And I asked him.
And he said the river.

1142
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,320
He said
I'm just letting you know the water's

1143
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,880
not coming from
us.

1144
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:20,440
Okay?
Um

1145
01:25:20,848 --> 01:25:25,360
» [clears throat]
>> Good work, power and water and

1146
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:30,320
» I can see it.
I got the pump right down on the side.

1147
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:33,000
When we get that set
>> Did you drink your water?

1148
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:41,160
Motion to pay all bills.
>> I think second motion to pay all bills.

1149
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:45,800
» Pete motion to pay all bills.
I second

1150
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,800
Tanny second the motion.

1151
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,200
It's seven bills.
Darlene?

1152
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,280
» Yes.
>> Tanner?

1153
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,640
» Yes.
>> Warren?

1154
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,520
» Yes.
>> Pete?

1155
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,680
» Yes.
>> Andy?

1156
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,680
» Yes.

1157
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:09,560
» So carried.

1158
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:16,000
» Okay. Now I would like a motion to
adjourn.

1159
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,200
» I will make it.
>> Oh.

1160
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:22,280
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Just wanted to let you know the town

1161
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:26,480
hall is available September 2nd if you
want to have the meeting here for that.

1162
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:30,000
» Okay, well then let's just plan that.
Add the firehouse so that

1163
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:38,520
cuz it's September 2nd.
For the town hall meeting for water

1164
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:43,760
rates September 2nd at the fire hall.
Okay?

1165
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,760
Thank you, Julie.

1166
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:51,680
» I need a motion.
>> Okay, you need a motion to adjourn.

1167
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:56,960
» So I'll make a motion to adjourn.
>> Warren made a motion to adjourn. Second.

1168
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,120
» I second.
>> Pete second.

1169
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,600
I'll
need to read a roll call to

1170
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,640
Darlene.
>> Yes.

1171
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,240
» Patty.
>> Yes.

1172
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,040
» Warren.
>> Yes.

1173
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,840
» Pete.
>> Yes.

1174
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,800
» Andy.
>> Yes.

1175
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:21,240
» So moved. We are adjourned.
>> Okay, thank you everyone for coming.

1176
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,240
» Thank you.