[0:13] one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:17] for all.
[0:21] » Any questions?
>> Stay on the line, please.
[0:27] » Can you hear me, Rosie?
[0:35] » Okay, thank you.
[0:39] » [clears throat]
[0:55] » Good evening, everybody. Glad everyone
has come to the meeting tonight.
[1:01] I know.
[1:13] Um, I think we're going to wait, I
guess, an extra 15 minutes until they
[1:17] get
whoever went to the school.
[1:20] Uh, but we'll we'll wait for the public
hearing
[1:23] um, a little later.
Okay, uh, council, if you've had time to
[1:29] read your minutes.
>> I'll get it.
[1:32] » Yep.
>> You need a motion?
[1:34] » Actually, I have a correction.
[1:38] » Um,
we have to take a motion.
[1:43] » Tammy, you need to speak up because
Darwin has the mic.
[1:47] » Speak up, please.
[1:51] All right, page five.
Um,
[1:55] under the minutes of uh, of my
presentation, it said tell me people
[1:59] that everyone knows job will be closing
at the end of December.
[2:03] That's inaccurate. I was
sharing a geographic and population
[2:07] presentation that I've been working with
Randy Ellis to
[2:11] with Randy Ellis's approval to promote
a new buyer.
[2:17] » But you didn't say at the end of
December.
[2:20] » But that's not what I was telling
presentation.
[2:25] » You didn't say it. It's misrepresenting
>> Yeah. Presentation by saying that I was
[2:29] here to say it's closing at the end of
December.
[2:32] The point was to promote the fact that
people in the community are what makes
[2:36] you
getting buyers.
[2:44] » Second the motion as corrected.
>> Who made the motion?
[2:48] » I think I made the motion.
>> Who made the motion?
[2:50] » Warren.
>> I did. Warren.
[2:54] » Pete seconded it.
>> Pete.
[3:03] » Roll call.
[3:07] » Up.
>> Tammy.
[3:09] » Yes.
>> Warren.
[3:11] » Yes.
>> Karin.
[3:12] » Yes.
>> Pete.
[3:14] » Yes.
>> Andy.
[3:16] » Yes.
[3:28] » Okay, I got to say
a couple of things here before we start
[3:33] the um
public hearing.
[3:37] I'm going to let um Pete give you an
update um concerning Matt Zarbo and the
[3:44] questions that were brought up last
month um
[3:50] about the cold jam and the water in
Wiscoy.
[3:57] » So, everybody remembers last last month
Can you hear this? It's all right.
[4:02] » Is that a hold it up?
>> The center of
[4:04] » Yep, right in the center.
>> Is that better?
[4:06] » There you go.
>> Okay, sorry.
[4:08] Uh so, last one
uh John brought up the fact that
[4:12] possibly getting water from the co-gen
for Wiscoy.
[4:16] Um so, I did talk to the engineer.
Um so, it's he he said to set up a plant
[4:22] to treat surface water was
about 10 times as expensive as treating
[4:30] ground water.
Um and he said the cost of setting up
[4:34] the plant would outweigh the cost of
running the line to Wiscoy.
[4:38] Um but so, to be more
it's not not feasible to go with the
[4:43] co-gen.
Um but then then his also his other
[4:46] concern was now you're getting your
water from a private entity and if they
[4:49] close up, you know, what do you do?
Where do you get your water after that?
[4:53] Um but the other thing on the water to
Wiscoy, we did ask him
[4:59] uh to
try and shave some numbers off of
[5:02] things. Um so, what they did was they
took fire flow out of the equation. So,
[5:08] the main line going to Wiscoy would be a
smaller main line
[5:13] um and also they they brought up the
point before was keeping the water
[5:17] fresh.
It would keep the water fresher. Um it
[5:20] would save about $150 to $200 per user
per year
[5:26] um going with a smaller main line. They
would still keep the the line in town
[5:31] big enough so they could add hydrants
later down the line if they wanted to.
[5:36] They could add a storage tank and then
that would be your fire flow in the
[5:40] future
uh if ever wanted. So, there is there is
[5:44] a cheaper option on the EDU's,
um but last month we applied for more
[5:51] funding. So, I I think right now we sit
tight until we see what what all the
[5:56] funding comes in and then we can kind of
make a decision whether to move forward
[5:59] with it or to uh
uh you know, cancel the project or or we
[6:05] want to do it.
Um anybody got any questions on that?
[6:11] » I'll say.
>> Thank you.
[6:12] » What was the estimate?
Last estimate you got there, what what
[6:17] would be the total cost per year
of water the average?
[6:23] » Of water with the project itself?
>> With the project with the
[6:27] payback and the
>> I I'd have to look back at my notes,
[6:31] Jim. I'll get that for you, but I want
to say it was around $1,000 a year,
[6:35] something like that.
>> What's the cost of the pipe?
[6:37] » With the newer rates.
>> What's the average water usage?
[6:42] 400 a month per quarters?
>> Um on on an average in the US, the
[6:47] average water user uses about 10,000
gallons per quarter.
[6:52] Um so
um and we're $12 a thousand currently.
[6:57] So, you're
10 10 * 12 per per quarter on an
[7:02] average.
>> 1,200.
[7:05] 10 *
Yeah.
[7:07] » 1,200.
>> Yeah.
[7:08] » Plus a thousand for the payback.
>> Correct.
[7:11] » 200 a year.
>> Well, the the the the payback was water
[7:15] included in it
was what that that was total cost that
[7:18] the engineer came up with.
So,
[7:21] but I can I can look I've got the
numbers. I can look up the final numbers
[7:25] if you do. So, just take me a minute.
>> Can I can I take a question? Um is that
[7:31] based on like a a two-person household
or four or what? Do you know?
[7:36] » Um average it's just it goes up. The
average household in the US is what it's
[7:41] it's based off from.
>> Just out.
[7:43] » Yeah, it would be about four.
>> I've never heard of that 3.4.
[7:46] » And I I took so I did a little project
here this last winter
[7:52] or the spring when we were working on
water rates and and all that. Um
[7:57] I took our total gallons sold
um in the first quarter
[8:03] figured out how many I I subtracted all
the businesses, the people that cut
[8:06] hair, the laundromat, the car wash, the
school, the stores, subtracted those out
[8:12] of it.
So I had a pretty close number to just
[8:16] residential and then divided up what we
sold for for water. And it averaged out
[8:22] to be about 10,000 gallons per town
unit. Um but we do have we do have a lot
[8:27] of users that don't use 3,000 gallons in
a quarter.
[8:30] Um there's there's a third of our users
don't use 3,000 gallons in a quarter. So
[8:36] um
you know so there's different ways to
[8:40] we're looking at.
>> Will you if you find more money to to
[8:44] cover the cost of that, at that point
will you then ask the people in Wisco
[8:49] Lake if they're if they're buying in on
it or if they're not and then make a
[8:54] decision cuz if they're if they don't
want it
[8:56] » That's
>> based on cost then why would you bother
[8:58] hearing?
>> That's what we've talked is is it would
[9:01] be a vote for just the people in Wisco
Lake that are affected by it.
[9:04] » Okay.
>> Because if the people in the
[9:07] that are currently on the water system
>> They will have no choice.
[9:09] » wouldn't pay that debt service. They pay
the debt service they already have. So
[9:14] like so.
You would be included in that cuz it'd
[9:17] go by your house.
>> So I'd have to pay the $1,000 a year?
[9:21] » Yes.
So
[9:24] Yeah, if if you tie it into the water.
>> I mean if you don't
[9:28] tie into the water
>> you would you would have to pay the
[9:29] usage, but if you don't tie into the
water you still have to pay on the debt
[9:32] service because it goes past your
property.
[9:35] » So it's $1,000.
>> It would be whatever they figured that
[9:38] debt service to be. It wouldn't because
if you don't tie in, you won't have
[9:42] usage in debt service. You would just
have debt service.
[9:46] » And it depends on what we come up with
for funding. Right now, currently we're
[9:49] 70% funding for the project.
>> I thought you couldn't go over or
[9:53] something.
>> There's There's way There's
[9:56] maximum you can get is 70% of the
funding. Um but there are some other
[10:01] grants that will kick in for other
things. Also, if the project runs into
[10:07] Say we get heavy the way the engineer
explained it to us, if we get heavy on
[10:11] funding, then currently the way the
project set up, each homeowner would be
[10:16] responsible for hooking their home into
the line. Um
[10:20] so you could build that into the
project. So, that part of that would be
[10:23] funded, so the the people wouldn't have
to tie in their house themselves. It
[10:28] would be all part of the project, be a
done deal. So, that would be covered in
[10:31] the funding as well if we had extra
funding if you know, say more grants
[10:36] came through than what we were
expecting.
[10:38] » The tie-ins increase the project cost,
though.
[10:40] » It would, but that that would be if we
had more funding, though. Like, you
[10:43] know, if the the the
>> You'd You'd offset that.
[10:46] » You'd offset that with the project.
>> you're still going to be only going to
[10:49] get 70%.
>> You'd still get 70%, but you would you
[10:52] would include more of the project. So,
yeah. So, you have We have to weigh it
[10:57] out how it you know, how it came out and
and put that in the public hearing, but
[11:02] so we're still waiting on funding.
>> For the debt for the people that were
[11:07] uh you had miscalculated, I brought that
up. Last time you guys said 150, and I
[11:13] said it's only 75. Is it
What's that number?
[11:20] What do I want to say?
Did you recount it with count go through
[11:24] the
>> I I did not, John. No. Uh that would be
[11:26] something that we would have to
fine-tune
[11:29] » Because you
>> for public hearing.
[11:31] » I know when you guys or when they came
in
[11:34] and
the
[11:35] » [clears throat]
>> uh
[11:37] the
contractor or not contractor
[11:40] » The engineer.
>> Engineer.
[11:42] Came around. He He came up with 150
housing and stuff like that. Was He was
[11:49] counting from partial land, stuff like
that.
[11:52] » Vacant lots. Things that could be
building lots.
[11:55] » Right. Right. But the water would go in
front of
[11:57] » Right.
>> And it'd be just as easy not to count
[12:00] them in because you don't have a house
there.
[12:03] » Well, they still have to pay on the
cost.
[12:06] » Because they have that
>> runs past their
[12:08] » They have access to the water so they
have to pay the debt service.
[12:12] It's not there. Most of them are empty
lots and never had housing on it. And
[12:18] that's where they parcel them off
because there was different owners that
[12:23] had
owned that piece of property without
[12:26] having a house on it or
>> Right. There's There's no house on it.
[12:29] They wouldn't get a water They wouldn't
have to pay a water bill, but they'd
[12:31] still pay the debt service. Just like
Like Jim was saying, if it runs past his
[12:35] house, whether he ties into the water or
not, there's still the debt service goes
[12:40] with it. It's part of the ad valorem.
So.
[12:43] » Like in example
Andy did not hook into our into the new
[12:48] system of over Clay Bed and but he still
has to pay the ad valorem. He does not
[12:54] get a water bill quarterly. Cuz he
doesn't use the town water.
[12:59] » Yeah.
>> But he pays the ad valorem.
[13:01] » It's on your tax bill.
>> And it's on the tax.
[13:04] » And that's something we can't We have no
control over that. That's That's the
[13:07] state deal there. That That's how they
say you have to do it. So.
[13:13] That's part of the regulations on the
state. It has nothing to do with the
[13:16] town.
>> So that person with that vacant lot
[13:19] would be paying an ad valorem on the
taxes.
[13:22] » Right.
>> But like Like we said, I mean, there'll
[13:25] before we get Once we get all the
funding figured out, we can figure out
[13:29] how many EDU's there are
actual and get the cost figured out. I
[13:35] mean obviously we're not going to decide
on anything until we know what we're
[13:39] going to have for funding and what the
total cost of the project is. I mean the
[13:42] cost of the project changes every day
just because of cost of materials.
[13:46] » Right.
>> So,
[13:48] you know, when
it's too far to speculate I guess right
[13:52] now, you know, and and that would it
would definitely be put to a public vote
[13:57] on whether they yes or no. So, you know,
and everybody's everybody's opinion
[14:01] like, you know, Jim decides not to not
to tie into it. I mean their opinion
[14:06] counts. So, you know.
Even though he's not right in the Wiscoy
[14:10] area, it still affects us.
>> Right.
[14:12] » So, it affects myself. So, whether I tie
into it or not, I mean the project goes
[14:17] past my house. So,
>> So, it wouldn't be an actual vote. It's
[14:20] just a public hearing inside of the
referendum.
[14:22] » Yeah.
That's right.
[14:25] So.
[14:30] Yeah, that's all I have on that the
Wiscoy water right now.
[14:34] You know, feel free to contact me
anytime and we'll talk about it. So,
[14:39] I try to stay up to date on it and
you know, like I said, we've we're we're
[14:43] a long ways out from making a decision
whether to yes or no on it.
[14:47] So.
>> You know, when I got my tax bill,
[14:51] they got the $300 for access to water.
They told me that was because I had fire
[14:57] hydrant service.
I told Jim he doesn't have fire hydrant
[15:02] fire hydrant service, why does he have
to pay that?
[15:06] » The the
the cost the because it got that be the
[15:10] cost of the project, not the not
hydrants itself.
[15:14] So.
>> Well, not for me.
[15:16] They're only charging me $300 a year.
>> Right.
[15:21] Yeah, I mean I I I think that's you're
getting charged the ad valorem, aren't
[15:25] you? Which is the part of the project. I
think same thing they any pay is same
[15:29] thing I pay. So.
>> So, it had nothing to do with the water
[15:32] lines.
>> No, not really. It's just a fact that
[15:35] the line the the public water goes past
your house.
[15:38] So, that's uh
[15:44] » Just as an example, we have three
parcels on the playback road that are
[15:48] all separately taxed. So, we pay the ad
valorem three times but are only metered
[15:52] once.
[15:58] Okay, at this time
it's uh
[16:04] 7:16. We need a motion to open the
public hearing
[16:08] uh establishing a local law for a
torium in the battery energy energy
[16:14] storage system project and data center
project in the town of Huron.
[16:19] » So moved.
>> I'll second.
[16:23] » Is this the interductory form of the
local law or is this
[16:27] you guys voting to adopt to adopt it?
All right.
[16:31] » We introduced it last We introduced it
last meeting. It consists
[16:35] » Because it's a moratorium it affects the
entire town is if you approve it, it's
[16:40] going to be subject to county planning
board review because since it affects
[16:45] the entire county under 239 M it's got
to go to county review which
[16:51] none of the moratoriums have failed
which is just a procedural
[16:56] step it has to go to the county planning
board.
[16:59] So.
>> And that can be sent after tonight?
[17:03] » Yeah, but when you vote on it you're
voting to adopt it subject to review not
[17:07] approval subject to review because even
if they were to disapprove it
[17:13] you this town board can under the by
supermajority
[17:17] overrule what they what the County
Planning Board says. So, it's just
[17:21] subject to the review of the County
Planning Board.
[17:24] » [clears throat]
[17:27] » And I can talk to you after or tomorrow
and you want me to see the application
[17:32] and all that stuff. All very
straightforward.
[17:34] » Okay.
>> Did I repeat the motion?
[17:36] » He made the motion and Warren seconded
it.
[17:39] » Okay.
>> I just call the favor vote.
[17:42] » Tammy?
>> Yes.
[17:44] » Warren?
>> Yes.
[17:45] » Theresa?
>> Yes.
[17:47] » Pete?
>> Yes.
[17:48] » Randy?
>> Yes.
[17:53] » Okay.
Um
[17:55] I have asked Patty McQueen to come and
speak with us uh speak with everyone
[17:59] tonight. Uh she's done a lot of research
on the uh data centers and the battery
[18:05] and energy storage and she's very
knowledgeable on it. So, so thank you,
[18:10] Patty.
>> You're welcome.
[18:12] » I'll just got to switch this out. All
right, check.
[18:15] » Is there anybody on this?
>> Who's
[18:18] » I thought I had my mic.
>> From that mic you can use, Patty.
[18:21] » Mhm.
>> Okay.
[18:23] » Good. All right.
>> Good.
[18:34] » All right, I'll go ahead and take it
from here.
[18:37] So, thank you for the opportunity to
speak.
[18:41] I've always supported the moratorium
for what is considering this evening.
[18:47] AI data centers don't care about this
county, the town, the residents of the
[18:54] town, or the world or the America.
They see an opportunity to exploit cheap
[19:02] land,
lax zoning laws, and a less dense
[19:08] population to complain.
That the county IDA
[19:14] may be pushing this should scare all of
you.
[19:20] Or they're looking out for the county
with solar farms and wind.
[19:25] How many jobs did that industry bring?
You can see across the county,
[19:33] many towns are giving or considering
moratoriums like this.
[19:40] Uh Alfred and Burns both have one on
data centers.
[19:46] Angelica has the whole bass on us
problem they're dealing with. And last
[19:53] night Friendship did a moratorium
on uh battery storage facilities.
[20:00] Yes, Governor Hochul signed a
moratorium.
[20:04] But that's only on large data centers.
It doesn't protect the standard.
[20:10] Let's look at the resources
a mammoth small data center would use.
[20:17] An AI data center uses 20 terawatts
to 1 gigawatt of electricity depending
[20:26] on size.
The equivalent of 16,500
[20:33] to 826,000
households on the electric grid that we
[20:40] need right now.
Requiring these facilities from the
[20:46] power company for the last part, the
financial burden is passed on to
[20:52] commercial
and business customers with higher
[20:57] electricity bills.
States like Ohio and Virginia
[21:03] are addressing this by implementing
block tariffs for large data centers.
[21:10] New York State has no such law.
Data 89 data centers are water
[21:18] intensive.
With usage spanning from milliliters
[21:24] per query.
So, if you ask one question
[21:29] of the of the AI bot,
it uses water. Two millions of gallons
[21:36] per day for large facility.
The exact numbers depend on cooling
[21:42] methods, energy sources, and operational
scale.
[21:48] As AI adoption grows, water consumption
is becoming a real environmental
[21:57] and global resource
issues.
[22:01] AI data centers consume significant
water primarily for cooling.
[22:08] So, the per query usage range from 0.3
ml to 500 ml.
[22:15] That's a single drop of water to two
cups for every question.
[22:22] A reasonable
extrapolation
[22:26] on an annual basis of a small data
center would be 1.2
[22:33] trillion questions per year.
So, let's say that we say a cup,
[22:41] you know, go for the middle. That would
be 289.
[22:46] 3 billion liters of water per day and
the equivalent of 1,250
[22:55] households
added to the town of Hume's
[22:59] fragile water system
or if they're tapping into groundwater,
[23:04] I assume before wells start drying up.
I posted a video on the community
[23:12] Facebook page that is a sound that a
small data center makes
[23:19] every
minute of every day.
[23:23] The cooling fans of an AI data center
have no stop
[23:28] with a great noise of at least 60
decibels. Even a small data center,
[23:35] and I encourage you to listen to it if
you have.
[23:39] It's on the town resource page.
Now, let's talk about jobs.
[23:44] Someone last night brought up the
proposed data center in Genesee County.
[23:50] This is a large data center
with a lot of controversy.
[23:56] It seems the only people behind it are a
few politicals and a planning and
[24:01] economic development board.
They do have the potential for 125
[24:09] jobs.
But with the sweetheart deal that the
[24:13] Genesee IDA gives
the cost of those jobs are going to be
[24:19] between 6.4 million to 11 million per
job.
[24:25] The company has received 1.46 billion in
tax breaks, and I cannot find any
[24:34] document
or data that guarantees that these jobs
[24:39] will go to Genesee County residents.
Other factors? What happens if the AI
[24:46] bubble burst?
As Wall Street expects at some point,
[24:51] does construction stop? Are promises
unfulfilled?
[24:56] What happens in 10 years when technology
has advanced and you don't need these
[25:01] huge facilities anymore? Do they become
the new closed Kmart's or abandoned
[25:08] solar fields down the road?
A moratorium doesn't mean no never,
[25:14] but it does thoughtfully allow the town
board and town residents to have a
[25:21] measured approach to any discussion and
consideration.
[25:26] So, I really encourage this board to
vote yes tonight.
[25:31] The same thing is true for bus systems.
Coming down the road, they will be
[25:37] storing less dangerous batteries than
lithium ion.
[25:43] If you look in Google battery storage
and battery storage fire,
[25:50] they could promise the town of Hume
500 fire trucks, it won't matter.
[25:56] If a fire starts in one of them in a
lithium ion battery storage facility, it
[26:04] burns until it is done. There's a
facility in California that one of the
[26:12] commissioners in Friendship went to look
at that it's burning still a year later.
[26:20] Lots of ground run off that will pollute
the water system.
[26:25] Lots of environmental
poisons for the residents of the town,
[26:32] increased problems with asthma and other
issues. And again, the town by doing
[26:39] this is just protecting themselves and
you so that someone can't sweep in, try
[26:47] to sell to somebody like that previously
happened solar
[26:53] and the town is then stuck with an AI
data center or a vast system because
[27:01] they weren't protected to prevent the
sale. Thank you.
[27:13] Danny, can I ask a question real quick?
Does the 125 jobs mean that we're
[27:17] setting one up? No.
>> Or is that once it's up, that 125 people
[27:22] run on that?
>> No,
[27:24] more people will be in it. Yeah, those
are more like the administrative,
[27:30] custodial,
security.
[27:33] Mostly these data centers are bringing
their own people.
[27:38] » Right.
>> And this is a large data center. I mean,
[27:41] this is
huge, a huge, huge project.
[27:46] There wouldn't be 125 jobs with a small
data center.
[27:50] » And they wouldn't be local.
>> Most of the jobs, beyond the unions that
[27:56] do help build it,
would be and if your union's big, yay
[28:01] you, but if it's not,
uh you know, you don't have an
[28:06] opportunity either.
Uh those would be mostly a few
[28:11] administrative, custodial,
and security. The lower-paying jobs in
[28:17] the facility, not the programming or
maintenance of the data management the
[28:23] site requires.
>> For large, general, what is a
[28:27] measurement unit that they use to
distinguish between small
[28:32] » It's in the It's in the It's
um I would have to look that up. I don't
[28:38] know it off the top of my head. But like
a small could be maybe like two football
[28:44] fields.
A large could be,
[28:49] you know, hundreds hundreds of
uh
[28:54] smalls are 50 ft.
Smalls are 50 ft.
[28:58] Uh so, medium maybe 250 ft
or larger, but it the large is very
[29:05] large. I would have to look it up, but I
could get back to you.
[29:09] » Twin size between a small and
>> Yeah.
[29:12] » You mentioned large.
So, is that a trough or is there an
[29:17] evaporation factor? Do they recycle a
lot of their water?
[29:22] » So,
it would depend on the cooling system
[29:26] they use. But there is an evaporation
factor.
[29:30] And they try to work that in the pitch
to towns.
[29:35] Uh and Erin Brockovich, if anybody's
heard of her, has really done a lot of
[29:43] research on this water usage. Um
Uh just to say, "Oh, it's self-contained
[29:51] and we won't use that much water." It's
not true.
[29:56] Uh and they try to say that um to get
over that, but the water does evaporate
[30:04] uh depending on the type of cooling
system they use. And I think it's
[30:08] something that this industry is going to
have to really look at because this is
[30:14] what is happening in a lot of towns
where there has been a data center
[30:20] adopted. If you look at the handout, I
gave you a couple of examples of towns
[30:28] that had a data center adopted. And um
one of them in Georgia is even looking
[30:35] at how they're going to have to ration
their water or they will have real
[30:42] problems in the next decade down the
road. And the sites nearest the data
[30:49] centers
are having increasing groundwater
[30:54] problems. They have to use a pail to
flush their toilets.
[31:00] They
have to bring in drinking water because
[31:04] the sediment is so bad. And that's just
in the construction phase of the data
[31:12] center that the one town in Georgia is
dealing with. So, encourage you to read
[31:19] read that handout.
>> The other thing is battery storage
[31:24] systems under state law are considered a
public utility. So, you're not going to
[31:29] be able to stop a public utility. The
only practical thing that you can do is
[31:36] if the local municipalities want to do
this that don't have zoning,
[31:41] you would adopt the zoning law and you
establish an area where
[31:47] they could be built.
But public utilities, even with zoning,
[31:52] they are afforded under the common law,
they are afforded a deferential standard
[31:58] of review. So, you can delay them, but
you really can't stop them. And during a
[32:03] moratorium, you just can't say stop it.
What you have to do is take proactive
[32:09] steps to say how you are planning to
address it
[32:13] as part of your land use policy in the
town. Are you going to have a site use
[32:19] plan law? Are you going to establish a
planning board? Are you going to adopt
[32:24] or update your comprehensive plan to
take into consideration that stuff?
[32:28] Because the court's going to uphold
well, just a moratorium, but we're not
[32:31] going to do anything. You have to do
something within the time frame of the
[32:35] moratorium to address how you're going
to try to appeal that.
[32:39] » What said that recommended in the last
meeting was to outline very specific
[32:44] regions to avoid, like the river valley
next to a school.
[32:47] » With with zone right with zoning. You do
that with zoning. Copy and paste the
[32:51] plan and spot do that. You got that
zoning law.
[32:53] » Well, if you made a zoning law and gave
it permission at highest place in town
[32:56] away from all the water possible,
they're not going to want to come.
[33:01] » You got to be careful about that.
Careful about that cuz lawyers slaughter
[33:05] and I could probably figure a way around
it.
[33:10] » Cuz they don't have a great source of
water.
[33:12] » Correct. So, there's a couple towns over
in the Finger Lake region that I
[33:15] represent and so they wanted to do an
outright ban and they can't do it. So,
[33:20] let's let's figure out the least
attractive
[33:25] » Yeah, that word word it right.
>> Right.
[33:30] Plus
>> And you have the least 200 children.
[33:41] » They change your patience stuff for a
home here. They have to eat too. Self
[33:47] torture with sound.
With your sound.
[33:51] They say the sound has changed their
lives.
[33:57] » [snorts]
>> You said
[34:02] » Yeah, you don't want that in your
backyard.
[34:05] » As a tester I'll play it through the
fire fire siren and have it turn it down
[34:09] a little bit.
[34:12] And the what what Pat you brought up
about the the lithium batteries burning
[34:16] even a
car
[34:19] You can't put them out. Um there's
there's no possible way unless you you
[34:24] take the whole car and you sink it in
about 10,000 gallons of water. And
[34:28] so there's the batteries just burn.
Can't keep burning. So
[34:34] » So what you're saying is an electric
school bus is not a good idea.
[34:37] » Bad idea.
>> That's right. Yeah.
[34:38] » If you If you Google
If you Google electric bus fire,
[34:43] and
they come up, they're they're pretty
[34:46] scary.
>> But don't Google it because you're
[34:48] causing a cup of water.
>> Yeah.
[34:51] » Every time you Google.
>> That's true.
[34:57] » Does anyone have more questions for
Patty?
[35:12] Thank you for that.
>> Thank you.
[35:22] » Does anyone from the audience here have
any thoughts or questions?
[35:27] Um Frankin?
>> [clears throat]
[35:33] » Who would be your
planning
[35:38] » Jennifer?
Uh if you go back and watch Sunday
[35:42] morning with the Sunday morning show
this past week they I think it was this
[35:47] past week or maybe the week before.
Sullivan County where my where you still
[35:52] live.
And I said to her one day, "What are all
[35:55] these buildings?" Well, they're all
battery storage and data centers.
[36:00] They're all windowless. And now people's
houses
[36:05] the value is declining. It's like
dramatically. And the sound of particles
[36:10] Well, who would want to buy a house with
that sound? So
[36:13] that's another little
I guess I'll be on the planning. We'd be
[36:17] happy to be on the planning board.
Love to.
[36:36] » Yeah.
>> It's think you know, if you want to make
[36:39] a difference in the town, you have to
get involved. And the way to get
[36:42] involved is to be a volunteer. Get on a
planning board and put your say put put
[36:48] your experiences forward, put your
community forward. We can't serve on the
[36:51] planning boards as board members. It
needs to be community members. So, if
[36:57] this is
hits home or hits close to home for you,
[37:01] it's essential that you consider being
part of the planning committee.
[37:05] » I would ask if anyone here is interested
in that to um
[37:09] go into the town office, let Don know,
and um we would um
[37:15] look at getting a board started.
[37:23] » I think uh you know, everybody wants to
see our town grow, wants to see it
[37:28] prosper.
Uh we want industry, business, whatever
[37:32] keeps people here,
um jobs for people, but this isn't the
[37:36] way to do that. Uh data centers are not
the future for
[37:41] growth in a community like ours.
Um
[37:44] that'd be my opinion today and tomorrow
right on through, so
[37:49] um you know, I think like
Mr. Buck said, we have to come up with a
[37:53] law but I to back this this
but uh I think when we do that, we need
[38:00] to word it very carefully so that it is
very difficult for somebody to come in
[38:04] here and put put a data center
or a large battery storage in our in our
[38:11] in our community.
>> Nelson.
[38:15] » Shepard.
[38:21] » We've had it the public hearing open for
uh 15 minutes now. Do we need to go any
[38:26] further any longer, Mr. Buck?
I mean
[38:29] » Now, there's no further questions or
comments. Now, you
[38:31] » I have a I have a question.
>> Certainly.
[38:34] » So,
if we were to take part of the zoning
[38:38] board, is that being at the public we
can't block it, right? We can't say I'm
[38:42] removing it now.
>> can totally not not a
[38:45] data centers
have not been classified as that yet.
[38:48] » Oh, okay.
>> Battery storage centers are part of the
[38:51] electric grid.
>> All right, they are.
[38:53] » Yes.
>> So, but are there ways within the zoning
[38:56] board to legally say, "Well, you can't
be within so many feet of a water
[38:59] source" or
>> If you adopt a zone, yeah. With yeah,
[39:01] when you adopt a zone.
>> All right, so you can make it
[39:04] » Right. And then I'll
>> impossible to build one.
[39:07] » Well, you can't
>> Yeah.
[39:09] » It has to be It can't be You can't
structure it so that it's impossible.
[39:13] You can structure it so that it's very
restrictive.
[39:16] » Okay.
>> And then one of the other things you do
[39:19] is in conjunction with a zoning law,
you adopt what's called a site plan
[39:25] review law.
So,
[39:28] yes, you can
have a project here, but now, under your
[39:34] land use laws, however,
when you build it on this site,
[39:38] planning boards are going to establish
reasonable criteria. What is reasonable
[39:42] criteria?
We learned some of this stuff with solar
[39:46] panel that through the solar farm.
Landscape mitigation. I don't want to
[39:50] say it.
So,
[39:52] » Okay.
>> what you want to do is say, "Okay,
[39:54] you're going to have to build a berm
with trees on top of it." And you got to
[39:59] get very specific about the types of
trees,
[40:02] how tall they have to be, how often they
get watered, how often they get
[40:07] replaced. You can establish a a a trust
fund to replace those trees. They have
[40:12] to fund in advance because, you know,
>> [clears throat]
[40:15] » our first
foray into this was the Dan Wolcott
[40:20] solar farm up on uh
>> Mills Mills
[40:23] » Mills Road.
Um
[40:26] we had trees in there, but
look look at the trees. The trees are
[40:30] all dormant trees. They don't replace
them. I want to say that what, 10% of
[40:34] them are dead? They're dead.
But now we've learned from that with our
[40:39] most recent solar project that was
called Urban Attic Campbell. We
[40:43] established a trust. We made them buy uh
>> Speaking
[40:48] » um fire fighting vehicles that have
tracks
[40:52] for each of the fire companies and they
contribute toward that. But there's only
[40:56] so much money cuz there's there's really
battery storage systems in the solar
[41:02] wind are a little bit different from AI.
There's a profit motive, but that is not
[41:06] at all about power. That's about tax
credits.
[41:09] » [snorts]
>> And the reason you know that is a lot of
[41:11] these companies are Canadian and
>> Yeah.
[41:14] » that project Dan Wolcott's project has
been bought and sold
[41:19] to my knowledge five times
since since they built
[41:23] So it's all about swapping these tax
credits back and forth. That doesn't
[41:28] contribute anything meaningful. What you
really need to have a new theory of
[41:31] solar, especially
if you're going to be having these data
[41:34] centers. You're going to have to have
that sort of electric generation
[41:38] capability and subsequent transmission
capability that they just don't they
[41:43] just don't have it.
So but that's how you do it. You can't
[41:46] make it impossible cuz like I said, a
clever lawyer will get
[41:49] » we can make it very unattractive.
>> Yes.
[41:52] » Yes. Okay.
>> Quick key.
[41:54] » Then
>> I know.
[41:56] Quick chat.
[42:01] » Claim hardship. They will claim
hardships if you try to keep them out
[42:05] without having the law
>> Right.
[42:07] » in place.
>> Right.
[42:08] » So they'll find a way to come.
>> So wording, reasonable and strict
[42:12] restrictions. And so
because you're getting into this, a lot
[42:17] of this stuff is really the brave new
world.
[42:20] You don't know what the courts are going
to uphold. What do you look at what
[42:23] other
You You take it what when other people
[42:27] have tried to restrict like really tried
to restrict windmills. They used to
[42:31] allow the towns to decide if they wanted
to have wind power or not. Well,
[42:37] eventually when Cuomo was in here, he
got pissed off with all that and he
[42:40] wanted the money from the
solar and wind lobby. What did he do?
[42:44] Well,
he made it an Article 10 proceeding and
[42:47] took most of that authority away from
the towns and then might have violated
[42:52] municipal home rule law.
So, that's the other thing you got to be
[42:55] careful of because eventually if Albany
sees there's a lot enough money in it,
[42:59] they're just going to say, "Okay, just
like with windmill and solar, eh."
[43:04] Okay, we're going to listen to what the
locals have to say. You can have
[43:08] symbolic input, but the state's
ultimately going to do what they're
[43:12] going to do.
So, if you're too restrictive with all
[43:15] that stuff out here,
I mean, they've done it in the last 10
[43:18] years with solar and wind. Now you go
through either Article 10 or I think
[43:22] it's now 94-C with projects above a
certain megawatt. I think it's 5
[43:27] megawatt.
Towns don't really have it. All the
[43:30] approval's vested with the PSU out of
Albany.
[43:35] So, but to answer your question, yes, if
you decide to do
[43:39] a zoning law, but it doesn't have to be
complicated. Zoning law doesn't have to
[43:42] be complicated. You can have three
zones.
[43:45] Business zone, which could be primarily
uh what was the village of Fillmore.
[43:50] And
residential and then the rest of it.
[43:53] Then you say,
"With respect to data centers, we can
[43:57] limit size. You got to make sure they
contribute to roads and all that stuff."
[44:02] But a zoning law does not have to be all
that complicated. It's got to be precise
[44:07] and exact, but it doesn't have to be all
that complicated because traditionally
[44:13] uh in the southern tier
folks just want to be able to do with
[44:17] their property what what they want to be
able to do with their property under the
[44:19] fifth amendment. You got to have that
balance. And it's only when things like
[44:24] I mean the last wave of
development that prompted municipalities
[44:30] to adopt zoning light or some form of
zoning law was Dollar General. They
[44:35] don't want Dollar Generals to sell what?
They can't do it. You at least have to
[44:39] have a site plan review law and a
planning
[44:42] Otherwise
if I want if I own 10 acres, I want to
[44:47] sell that to Dollar General for 3 and
1/2 million dollars, that's my right.
[44:51] And if there's no land use
controls in place, that's it.
[44:56] It's cowboy country. So, you got to
balance balance it.
[45:01] So,
that's why you elect these fellows and
[45:04] fellas.
[45:10] » Anyone else?
[45:17] Okay.
[45:20] Now, we need to go ahead and vote.
[45:24] Yes.
>> Well, it's going to the vote is going to
[45:28] be you would adopt it subject to the
review by the county planning
[45:34] » [clears throat]
[45:37] » I'll make the motion that
Rich suggested.
[45:45] In Rich's words.
>> Subject to review
[45:48] » by the county
>> by the county planning
[45:50] » Subject to review
>> by the county planning. Yes.
[45:53] It's backwards, but we can
We don't have to do secrets exempt under
[45:58] a 617.5 236
of the DPC regulations. We do have to do
[46:04] it at 2:39 average.
[46:08] » And we have a second.
[46:11] » I'll second it.
>> Starting second.
[46:18] I'll call the vote. Um Tammy?
>> Yes.
[46:22] » To accept?
Warren?
[46:24] » Yes.
[46:27] » Starting?
>> Yes.
[46:29] » Pete to
>> Yes.
[46:32] » Mandy?
>> Yes.
[46:35] » Okay. Paul Carey?
[46:41] Need a motion to approve the motion of
Carey.
[46:44] » So moved.
>> I'll second that.
[46:49] » 746
>> They got it in there.
[46:53] » 746
>> Yes.
[46:56] » Pete to make it a second.
>> Thank you.
[47:24] » Tammy?
>> Yes.
[47:26] » Terry?
>> Yes.
[47:29] » Warren?
>> Yes.
[47:31] » Pete?
>> Yes.
[47:33] » Mandy?
>> Yes.
[47:38] » Paul Carey?
>> [clears throat]
[47:43] » Okay. So, I'm going to work we had
Monday we had an update from
[47:50] on the water analysis.
And they had questions. We met with of
[47:55] for about an
uh an and a half.
[47:58] And they had more questions, so we had
to answer those questions. And we are
[48:02] going to have uh I need a motion for
this.
[48:05] Uh a
community town hall water rate meeting
[48:13] September 2nd
at 7:00.
[48:19] And I hope to be able to get the school.
If not, we will be here. And then we'll
[48:23] we'll have that on our website
to confirm what place we will uh be at.
[48:30] » You said September 2nd?
>> September 2nd, which is a Wednesday.
[48:34] They could not meet here tonight because
we moved our meeting up. We asked them
[48:39] if they could come August 26th, uh our
our regular second meeting of the month,
[48:44] and they could not be here on the 26th
uh 26th, so we decided just to, you
[48:50] know, do a
community
[48:53] town hall meeting tomorrow.
>> I'll make the motion
[48:57] to hold that meeting.
>> Keith made a motion to uh have that
[49:01] on September 2nd.
Yes.
[49:06] A second?
>> I'll second.
[49:09] » One seconded.
Roll call.
[49:15] Tanny?
>> Yes.
[49:18] » Warren?
>> Yes.
[49:20] » Excuse me, Darlene. I was supposed to
say you first. I was going down the
[49:23] line. I apologize. Thank you.
Darlene?
[49:27] » Yes.
>> Keith?
[49:28] » Yes.
>> Andy?
[49:30] » Yes.
>> All carried.
[49:34] » And we will have a handout for you that
evening.
[49:38] And uh Becky Sims will be there along
with Challis.
[49:42] » Memphis.
[49:46] » Uh they've got they've done a lot of
work thus far, but there was just a few
[49:49] more things they needed, so um
I look forward to
[49:53] uh Mr. Matth Challis, Mr. Matth Challis
uh
[49:57] is the other gentleman. So, I look
forward to that meeting. So, put that on
[50:00] your calendar and then we'll be on the
just water rates. They're doing just
[50:06] water rates right now. Then once they go
through that, then they'll be doing the
[50:11] sewer rate analysis.
[50:16] Okay, let's go on to highway, Kevin.
>> The only thing I have is
[50:22] uh I
got all my paperwork in
[50:25] to the state to get reimbursed for our
chips money.
[50:31] And you should see a check for that
around September 10th.
[50:42] » Okay, what date the
your chips?
[50:45] » September 10th is
>> September 10th?
[50:47] » Should be in by the 7th of August.
>> For your chips within the year?
[50:53] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[50:55] » That's
That's all I have. I'm just going to
[50:59] throw maintenance in this
past.
[51:02] » Okay.
Uh we'll go on to museum.
[51:05] » Um I'm going to start with a technical
note and I noticed on that Hume-Muscol
[51:10] website they posted a link to that
Filmer-Hume info. I hope you're running
[51:16] virus software. Norton has labeled it as
a malicious website that has tracking
[51:23] information and it's going to download
all kinds of crap on your computer for
[51:29] pop-ups or whatever. Um and I'm not the
only one that got that message flagged
[51:34] by my when I went to click on it to see
what was there. So, if you are not
[51:39] running virus software and you've
clicked on it, then you really need to
[51:43] have your computers checked and get some
virus software on it because it is
[51:47] you know, it it has malicious software
embedded in it. And I think that's
[51:51] probably how he's making his money.
Um as far as the museum goes, we are
[51:56] trying to match up items with the
donated list so that we can get ready
[52:00] and move upstairs. Rosemary has been
coming up and helping me. I had an email
[52:06] from a community member about
fundraising for the museum. As a
[52:10] historian, I cannot raise funds. We need
to have a historical society in order to
[52:17] raise funds and create um
money for items for the museum and other
[52:23] historical projects in the community.
So, um we've had a couple of meetings.
[52:27] Rosemary's been the only one that showed
up. We had them published in the a
[52:31] monthly newsletter. Um
and I'm going to, you know, get some
[52:36] more dates out there after the end of
August and um
[52:41] all I can say is the only way we're
going to get the museum open and get it
[52:44] interactive and get it going is that
it's going to have to be a community
[52:48] effort. It cannot just be me or Rosemary
or one or two people because it is a
[52:53] tremendously large project to get it to
where we want it to be.
[53:00] Okay. Um
and that's basically what we're doing
[53:03] there.
>> Okay, I know on the the lift
[53:08] we got the carpentry part of it um
approved.
[53:13] Uh we've got to wait for the Spectrum to
come and install the phone line in the
[53:18] lift because there is a phone. If
someone is unable to raise it lower or
[53:23] get stuck in the middle, they have a way
of contacting somebody on the outside.
[53:27] So, we're
waiting on Spectrum to do that. Then the
[53:31] um lift people will come up to Syracuse
and inspect it with the weights. And at
[53:36] that time they will be showing us how to
use the lift.
[53:41] » Do you have a time frame on it?
>> Um
[53:44] well I'm going to be gone
so they said they would contact me when
[53:48] I got back.
And that would give Spectrum time to
[53:52] come and and put in the phone line.
[53:58] » Justice.
>> Status quo.
[54:00] » Status quo. Our judge is on vacation for
this
[54:04] for this month so there won't be a
>> There will not be a DA day in August.
[54:10] No, not that till September.
>> Okay.
[54:21] Okay, now we're going to go into the
community forum.
[54:27] First on the
agenda is Dave Stenzel.
[54:32] Dave, you have 5 minutes.
>> All right, I'm Dave. I'm going to ask
[54:35] that you use the mic so that we record
it, please. Thank you. And if everybody
[54:39] could speak up, I'd greatly appreciate
it.
[54:42] » Got to my issue with
the laundromat and we had to reimburse
[54:47] for all
damage.
[54:49] » So
>> and uh Darlene looked into it. Insurance
[54:52] company said it
wasn't even posted on the website.
[54:57] I don't know when it was or when it was
on the website. Was it a half an hour
[54:59] before or was it a day before? I don't
know. Um I have a letter here I'm going
[55:02] to give to the town. I'd like to
introduce it and
[55:05] ask for a
[55:10] How do I put it? I can I can actually
I'll just read the letter, it'll be
[55:12] easier. Uh business owner relies on the
delivery of clean water to provide a
[55:16] quality service to its customers and to
guarantee that no damage to the
[55:19] customer's personal belongings or
businesses' equipment happens again,
[55:23] I'm requesting the board try to enact a
policy of notifying businesses that rely
[55:28] on water for their operation and also
the school for certain health reasons
[55:33] prior to any change in water flow
direction or excessive use of water that
[55:37] may happen which could potentially stir
up iron in the system. Uh this could be
[55:42] accomplished by uh simple phone call
group or text group, uh a Facebook page,
[55:48] uh so the water it will not it's not
going to affect the water department's
[55:51] ability to perform its work, whether
it's planned or emergency. I'm willing
[55:55] to go out and go to the businesses, get
all the numbers, do whatever we got to
[56:00] do to do this, but
I lost 8% of my profit for the year in
[56:07] one day.
8% one day.
[56:11] And that's not the first time it's
happened.
[56:13] Um I can claim it on my insurance, but I
have a deductible. Talk to insurance, he
[56:17] said, "Okay, you're going to have your
deductible. We still have we're not
[56:20] going to get it all back because the
deductible's not not I And then our
[56:24] policy's going to go up. So, I'm not
sure why I have insurance because why
[56:29] claim it if your policy's just going to
go up? You know, we already discussed
[56:32] that with the insurance agent. But this
is just I'm willing to do the legwork on
[56:36] this to get a to get the group together
because I know the car wash we want, I
[56:39] know Sarah the bakery want, and I know
the school um
[56:44] they they weren't in session at time,
but [clears throat]
[56:46] iron is a secondary contaminant. There
is no
[56:49] ill health effect as a norm, but when
the water was coming in that day, I can
[56:54] guarantee you there's some child who
drank that water, they would have had
[56:57] intestinal problems that night.
Guarantee.
[56:59] It was like coffee coming in the
building.
[57:01] So, not only protect the businesses, I
want to protect the kids, anybody who
[57:05] would have drank that water by mistake.
I mean, cuz a kid if he drinks out of a
[57:08] drinking fountain or something, I don't
know what they have at school anymore.
[57:10] They don't drink at fountains, they have
water stations, whatever they call it.
[57:13] So, but now I'm willing to do the
legwork on it. It's just something I
[57:16] wish you guys could you know, approve or
look into. You know,
[57:20] next next month is fine, just something
I want to make it where
[57:24] a text goes out to all of us quick.
Because if I were to shut my business
[57:28] down for the hour till they cleared it
up,
[57:31] I wouldn't have lost any money at all.
My customers are going to come back and
[57:35] I'll pay later.
It's not a problem, but I lost I lost
[57:39] over $1,000
in one day. And that's the second time
[57:41] it happened. The last time this happened
was the last time they had a leak across
[57:44] from your house.
When they leak there
[57:47] no notification.
I mean it was an emergency, I
[57:49] understand, but I would have shut down.
And I had four people that I had
[57:53] reimbursed at those four back then. And
that was it wasn't as much.
[57:56] Unfortunately, we had one guy who had
Ariat shirts.
[57:59] If anybody knows what an Ariat shirt is,
they're a hard to hard shirt. They're
[58:03] 100 bucks a piece.
But now I got a letter here. Hand it to
[58:07] you. If you If you introduce it in, it
would be great.
[58:10] Um
That's
[58:12] All I have and I thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dave.
[58:15] » Thanks, Dave.
>> Um Dave, I can put out a an email to the
[58:20] New York alert
to try to uh
[58:24] set up with them. We have to be eligible
for it, so that's what they're looking
[58:28] at.
>> All right. If not, do something local.
[58:31] Like I said, I'm willing to do the
legwork.
[58:33] » Okay, thank you very much.
>> If you want to do the local, I'd like to
[58:36] review that.
How much exposure to the town is and
[58:39] discuss it as well with the insurance
>> Say that again to me.
[58:44] » Before you adopt any policy, I want to
look into that and I want to also
[58:48] discuss it with the insurance company
and make sure
[58:50] » Yes. Yes.
Richard?
[58:53] » I have a I have a question for you,
David. Can you This is a new number this
[58:56] is for your party here.
Very You probably have it here.
[59:00] » Yes.
>> Uh I have a good friend that owns a
[59:02] laundry mat.
He has to have a filter system.
[59:07] You don't You don't have a filter
system?
[59:09] » No. And I don't have that.
>> There's no There's no
[59:12] uh requirements that make you have
>> Correct. No, there's no requirements for
[59:16] a filter system on a laundry mat. And a
system on a 2-in line coming in and on a
[59:21] that day it happened to be busier busy
and the system that size would cost me
[59:28] probably between 30 and 50 thousand
dollars.
[59:31] And a little business like that can I I
can't.
[59:33] » I I understand. I'm just bringing it to
your Yeah.
[59:36] There's something figured in there.
I heard that you had put in this, but I
[59:40] just I I didn't know if
>> No. No, no, no.
[59:44] » Cuz that would have saved a lot of you.
>> Oh, sure.
[59:47] » I I I understand that you know.
But same
[59:51] I have to have a small filter system on
mine and no water meter. Ours is an
[59:55] equipment.
So, I'm just
[59:57] » Okay.
>> going
[59:59] » Okay, next on the docket is Bill and
Kathy Brewer.
[1:00:15] » You can use this one, too, if you want
to.
[1:00:17] » Well, I want
>> He can have one.
[1:00:18] » I'm going to let him talk.
I [clears throat] don't know where I'll
[1:00:22] start. Um first of all, Bill and I are
here at the direction of Tammy Potter in
[1:00:27] the clerk's office who said when there's
an issue like ours that we have to
[1:00:32] present at the board. So, here we are.
>> Kathy, can you hold the mic away?
[1:00:36] » Okay. Thank you.
We're here at the direction of Tammy
[1:00:40] Potter from the town clerk's office who
said this is procedure for our concern
[1:00:46] such as ours.
We are here tonight to ask for
[1:00:50] assistance in correcting our water bill
for the last two quarters, January
[1:00:55] through June.
We have paid the current bill of $539.13
[1:01:02] under protest hoping that now that we
have consulted Corey Potter and an
[1:01:07] outside water expert that you will hear
us out on our situation.
[1:01:12] At first we thought the bills since
January something to do with the upping
[1:01:17] of the sewer and water charges. And of
course, this is a minor part of it, but
[1:01:23] after examining the situation, it has
become evident that there were other
[1:01:27] considerations.
For instance, we are two people in a
[1:01:31] household. National average is 50
gallons per day usage. We do two loads
[1:01:38] of wash a week in our efficiency washer.
We do one load of dishes every other day
[1:01:43] using 5 to 7 gallons of water. Two
showers a day generally average 6
[1:01:50] minutes.
Flushing toilets for long duration, and
[1:01:54] all of our yard is watered by rain water
and rain water from rain barrels.
[1:02:00] Our entire house was then checked for
leaks, and there were none, including
[1:02:04] toilets by 5 to 4 minutes.
Our water softener used 5 gallons two
[1:02:11] times a week for regeneration.
And as it happened, we called again. He
[1:02:18] came to our house, and was soon to
notice our outside meter was
[1:02:23] non-functional.
And our inside meter was also frozen and
[1:02:29] non-functional,
and was at least 24 years old.
[1:02:35] We had no idea how long the meter was
actually non-functional, and wondered it
[1:02:40] was how long was not tested and put in
for our usage.
[1:02:45] Corey immediately installed a new meter,
and we put in average averaging 27 to 50
[1:02:52] gallons a day. He tells us on monitoring
those each morning and
[1:02:57] our figures.
It is difficult to say how many gallons
[1:03:01] the actual home actually uses a month,
as the readings are often down, like on
[1:03:06] the 25th of the month, but then that
extra gallons will be on the 12th of the
[1:03:11] next week.
Tammy at the clerk's office noted that
[1:03:15] the average two-person house is between
a $250 and $300 bill right now. And our
[1:03:24] the other
house is on the right street.
[1:03:28] I know that you say you can't compare
it, but we compared it to many loads of
[1:03:33] wash and when you're done, how many
grandchildren are in our house and how
[1:03:37] many in that house. We will gladly pay
something we have used and all of us
[1:03:42] have, but there is something wrong with
our water billing. Your attention to
[1:03:46] this matter will be appreciated. We need
to know when our meter was actually
[1:03:52] stopped and why and how estimates were
able to be done as our water
[1:03:58] bill went up
when we were working from home lately.
[1:04:03] Thank you for listening.
And um
[1:04:06] » So, y'all all
passed away last year. This favors some
[1:04:10] people in Charlotte. This is a list of
water bills
[1:04:13] for the last 9 years.
And uh you'll see that it's pretty
[1:04:17] balanced.
It's my
[1:04:20] especially Mr. Norman who used this
spring water so much.
[1:04:23] And uh our meter was
it was part of the time where because
[1:04:28] they were in school still. And after
2019, they didn't live with us.
[1:04:33] So,
there were four people at one time, but
[1:04:36] after that, you know, it went up. And we
had a couple of spikes here and you can
[1:04:40] look at this this way. In the back of
the video,
[1:04:44] the last year,
at the very end where we had a big bill.
[1:04:48] We got hit with sure a couple of large
ones in there. And I don't know whether
[1:04:52] that's because of uh
the meter was in work. You don't know
[1:04:57] how long it was cuz it's 24 years old.
There used to be a place to read this.
[1:05:02] And uh
So, when I took this off the wall,
[1:05:05] excuse me, finish.
And this is the outside of the meter.
[1:05:09] Nobody said I had to pay this with the
inside
[1:05:13] except quarterly.
That one time. So
[1:05:18] as he's out you can look at them. If you
have questions you can ask me.
[1:05:22] » [clears throat]
[1:05:25] » Thanks very much.
You're welcome, too.
[1:05:56] Thank you, yes.
[1:06:04] Eric Delson.
[1:06:11] Thank you, Darlene.
[1:06:18] That's very well.
Hey, we're going to motion to go to the
[1:06:23] table this until we have time to take a
look at this.
[1:06:27] So we need a motion. I'll make a motion
to table the brewers water issue.
[1:06:33] I'll second that. Who second it?
Pete, Andy. Andy.
[1:06:39] Did you table um
To to look into it.
[1:06:44] Look into it further. Table the brewers
water situation until we have time to
[1:06:48] take a look at it.
[1:06:51] Um
[1:06:54] Roll call.
Darlene. Yes.
[1:06:58] Danny. Yes.
Lawrence. Yes.
[1:07:02] Pete. Yes.
Andy. Yes.
[1:07:06] So Terry, thank you.
[1:07:10] Okay, next on the community forum is
Linda Deegan.
[1:07:18] Hello.
[1:07:21] Thank you for the holes. I'm going to
sit down here for a minute. Um
[1:07:24] And
first I want to say this is part of
[1:07:27] talking about what I have to say is
about the community being involved. And
[1:07:31] so when Dave said up When Dave said I
will be the feet to do that, to take
[1:07:38] care of finding phone numbers and stuff,
that's what we need. We need citizens to
[1:07:42] step up and help with the issues. I
appreciate that a lot a lot. Um and when
[1:07:48] Sarah Sardina talked to you at the end
of the last board meeting and she said I
[1:07:51] was there and she said, "Could you do
that? Put the phone numbers down and
[1:07:55] call us all up?" At that point I'm going
to say the same thing. Sarah, maybe you
[1:08:01] could put a list together and then they
could put it out there or whatever. Um
[1:08:06] so community involvement is great. Um
and when you're looking about um
[1:08:12] a planning board, I have paperwork to
help planning boards here um and
[1:08:18] responsibilities,
um town laws uh 271 creation membership
[1:08:23] training for planning boards. So if
anyone is interested like uh
[1:08:29] Jen said she'd be interested in doing
that. So I've got the paperwork for
[1:08:32] that. Um and then I can hand them hand
out you can pick up the priorities for
[1:08:38] the community. Um it was a survey that
was done in 2020 three four. Um the last
[1:08:45] planning committee uh
was 2010 and the paperwork was put out.
[1:08:50] Um and some folks here I was on the last
one. I think Rosemary was on the
[1:08:54] planning um
committee, not the planning board, but
[1:08:58] um coming up with priorities for the
community of what we need. The 10-year
[1:09:02] the 10-year plan and the 10-year plan.
Daryl was on it, too, the first time in
[1:09:06] 2010. Eliana, Greg McCord, oh, there
were several gentlemen on it. Um,
[1:09:12] and so, this is what has been put out.
Now, if we they had at the board meeting
[1:09:17] in January, a year ago January, um, here
Daryl came and spoke to
[1:09:24] the community here.
Um,
[1:09:27] there were some people here from the
from the committee I've been on, Rev
[1:09:32] William, and
a group for 5 years trying to do extra
[1:09:35] things in town that maybe the board
doesn't can't do, it doesn't have time
[1:09:39] to do, and we have to rely on the board
for some things
[1:09:43] that have to be legally done if we're
trying to do something.
[1:09:47] Um, and so, this was discussed at that
board meeting, and here made a point of
[1:09:53] saying,
"The things on this list that the
[1:09:58] community members asked for in a survey
need to be implemented
[1:10:06] by the community.
And then it can be run through the town
[1:10:11] board."
Um, so, if you picked one up, um, the
[1:10:16] first one on the list was we need
medical services in the area.
[1:10:21] Um,
that's done.
[1:10:24] Um, it's not going to happen. So, number
two, um, we need senior citizens senior
[1:10:29] housing. Um, I went to a meeting on
housing at the Crossroads,
[1:10:36] um,
with the county legislators, with
[1:10:39] supervisors, with Jason Iserman, who's
head of the land bank.
[1:10:45] Kier Doran, Stacy Berasley, um,
people there were there representing
[1:10:49] school districts, um, and we're thinking
about housing because some of the school
[1:10:54] districts are talking about children and
families that are living in cars
[1:10:58] and living in campers.
And the shape of what's happening at
[1:11:03] schools right now. Um so they were
talking about housing um
[1:11:07] and this this number two on the list of
senior housing in this community has if
[1:11:14] you can read it here it's come up
before. It's been discussed in 2010 it
[1:11:18] was a priority.
Um and here we are 16 years later and
[1:11:22] we're again looking at senior housing. I
went to a
[1:11:27] a seminar on
uh
[1:11:30] grants uh
state grants, county grants, whatever at
[1:11:34] um
the Cuba library a few weeks ago
[1:11:38] um and money's available. They told us
to not call it senior housing and
[1:11:43] instead call it elderly housing. I'm not
sure why but anyway so there there is
[1:11:48] money out there. We had to become a
pro-housing community in order to tap
[1:11:52] into some of those funds. So I asked
Darlene and she
[1:11:57] would do the paperwork for
to make us a pro-housing community.
[1:12:01] Ashley said that the county I've talked
to her several times and met with her.
[1:12:05] She helped Darlene put that together and
then at one of the board meetings a few
[1:12:09] months ago they voted to yes accept that
we are pro-housing community to get
[1:12:16] funds. Um
so you can see on the list um some of
[1:12:20] the things that they wanted um
the community put together and there's
[1:12:24] the signers to have. Um
And on the the community vision I've got
[1:12:31] some other papers but this was on the
website also.
[1:12:35] They We want to foster community pride.
Um we want to provide support to
[1:12:41] residents to help clean up properties.
Um we want senior housing it's a high
[1:12:46] priority. We want to showcase and
enhance Hughes history.
[1:12:51] Um
All right. Um
[1:12:55] affordable housing is a top priority. Um
in addition, the lack of senior housing
[1:12:59] will push aging residents, many who
lived here for decades, to seek housing
[1:13:04] outside the area. We don't want that.
Um
[1:13:08] so we need to create a business plan
with market research, um tax incentives,
[1:13:14] and market ideas to get developers to
come in the area.
[1:13:18] This has been something that I have
tried to work on for a while now. Um
[1:13:24] and bring it up often at our regular
Fillmore Friends of Hue meetings, and
[1:13:29] try to talk to several people in the
county
[1:13:32] about what they can do
senior housing here, elderly housing. Um
[1:13:37] and
um under community resources, um
[1:13:42] what is
uh in the list of things that we want to
[1:13:46] do, strategies, would be expand the
water sewer to attract developers,
[1:13:50] expand water districts into Wiscoy and
Rossburg, provide residents with
[1:13:54] resources to maintain properties and
remove blight, recruit volunteers for
[1:13:59] emergency fire and emergency services,
as well as community organizations.
[1:14:03] There's such a lack of that. I mean, Jen
will tell you about that as a EMT worker
[1:14:08] that they're they need
We need help. Um
[1:14:12] also,
recruiting volunteers. Also, working
[1:14:15] with the University of Rochester, um
more or less providers to expand medical
[1:14:20] services into Hue.
That was a wish.
[1:14:24] Um
let's see. And foster balance between
[1:14:27] development and rural character. Um we
need oversight for land use development,
[1:14:32] site plan reviews, and other land
regulations.
[1:14:35] Um and we discourage development of
farmland on the flood plain. And there
[1:14:39] will be some new
flood plain
[1:14:42] numbers coming out of lake areas in 2027
from the county, um
[1:14:47] that I was told I heard that
will not make some people happy.
[1:14:51] Um,
because property is slowly changing.
[1:14:55] That So,
I talked to 2 months ago I talked to
[1:14:59] David Cartwright in person. We sat down
and talked. Um,
[1:15:04] he did not know there was going to be an
audit done. I said you could have saved
[1:15:08] yourself some money and everything else
because an audit will show you where the
[1:15:12] discrepancies are. But what he is
telling me now
[1:15:15] I talked to him Sunday. Um, he said well
on that website that people can look up
[1:15:21] it has malicious I know what I'm saying
is he said to me he said said tell
[1:15:26] people to get on there and look at it.
And then we might put it on. So, I did
[1:15:30] not put it on.
>> Um,
[1:15:32] » Your five is up. So, if you just take
your time.
[1:15:34] » So, so anyway, I'll I'll I'll finish it.
Yeah. So, so when I talked to to David,
[1:15:41] I said if you're coming back here to
live,
[1:15:44] here are some things that you can work
on. Take your time and I don't know if
[1:15:47] you want to come back here. This is what
the people in this community ask for.
[1:15:51] These things. And so, um, if you're
coming back, let's work on some of those
[1:15:56] things. So,
anyway, thanks to everyone that does
[1:16:00] things in the community and that's
trying to
[1:16:04] make this a better place for even the
youngsters. Um, and there are sacrifices
[1:16:08] to be made. There will be sacrifices to
be made.
[1:16:14] » Thank you, David.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:16] » You carried the list.
[1:16:23] » Next on the community forum is Tom
Bauer.
[1:16:38] You want to stand in front of the camera
from the system? That's fine.
[1:16:44] Oh.
>> lots of
[1:16:47] » I'll post in person in the spring.
>> Yeah, right. Yeah.
[1:16:49] Tony, last month you mentioned something
about the fire contracts and in saying
[1:16:54] and where was that deep down?
>> We're doing them tonight.
[1:16:58] We're voting on them tonight.
>> Okay. I did look into that.
[1:17:03] Though, fire protection contracts shall
not be entered into until a hearing has
[1:17:07] been held by the town
>> Okay. Um you really need to
[1:17:09] » Can you get a I mean directional mic?
>> Yeah, that's always
[1:17:15] Ready?
[1:17:18] » Okay.
>> If we're going to do this.
[1:17:20] Um fire protection contracts uh
shall not be entered into until a public
[1:17:24] hearing has been held by the town board
for town law
[1:17:27] chapter 62 article 11 section 184
paragraph two
[1:17:31] and the town board by resolution
determines contracts in the public
[1:17:35] interest.
Paragraph one section 184 paragraph
[1:17:38] eight.
Now
[1:17:39] » Here here.
>> The only reason that I bring this up is
[1:17:44] as Linda mentioned and everyone knows
that we have a real problem uh manning
[1:17:50] the ambulance in the fire.
>> Doing what again?
[1:17:53] » Manning the ambulance in the fire.
>> Oh, yeah.
[1:17:56] » And so I mean that's the purpose of the
public hearing is so we can have a
[1:18:00] community discussion just like with the
fire and just like we did with battery
[1:18:05] and
and the
[1:18:08] AI
and nonsense. Uh so, but and and no
[1:18:11] one's here to criticize anyone, but we
just got to get it out there and admit
[1:18:15] it.
We got a problem.
[1:18:17] And other towns have addressed the
ambulance. The county does contract MTS
[1:18:25] as backup service for the entire town.
And if I recall right, there's a $1
[1:18:30] million line item county budget.
And so we really should make better use
[1:18:35] of that in my opinion, and and how empty
our page for transporting
[1:18:41] on the initial page. And so in case we
can't go out here, but they're what
[1:18:46] human Again, that is for the public
hearing. And we can, you know, have put
[1:18:51] these things out there, these gossip.
So, I would urge that the town can
[1:18:56] comply with home loan net issue.
So, also,
[1:19:02] Mr. Towns, on the water issue, and
obviously we need to do something there
[1:19:08] to alert people when there's a problem.
Uh but
[1:19:12] we really need to get to the root
problem.
[1:19:14] Why is the water so discolored
with the iron bacteria?
[1:19:21] And as for my it was the iron and the
lead. So, once the system is
[1:19:25] contaminated with these possible lead
and iron bacteria,
[1:19:28] » Iron is actually an iron bacteria. It's
hard to tell if you have iron bacteria.
[1:19:32] The only way you're going to know that
is if your water pulls when it boils. If
[1:19:35] you don't get iron bacteria, I I I've
I've never seen it as an iron bacteria.
[1:19:39] It's just a a fair iron problem. It's
just a That's a high concentration of
[1:19:43] it, which
the states that their MCLs are
[1:19:47] secondary, not a primary. And so,
>> Right. And and to get to the root
[1:19:51] problem, to assure that you don't have
a problem,
[1:19:55] you probably Right. As a community,
we need to get to the root problem,
[1:19:59] which is flushing the system.
Uh I I know I was thinking I don't
[1:20:04] really want to flush it.
You know, one of the fighting lines is
[1:20:07] holding the money here, baby.
[1:20:12] That's why MCLs are put on secondary,
and iron is secondary, and and water is
[1:20:18] secondary.
Um so, in a long run, the primary advice
[1:20:22] is that you need to ensure that people's
property is ruined in the basement. So,
[1:20:26] So, we need to get to the root of that
problem.
[1:20:29] I know
it's great, but we need to get to the
[1:20:33] real problem first.
So, and then lastly, I just wanted to
[1:20:38] kind of remind you that
you work at the PD.
[1:20:41] » Savage.
>> A lot of groups.
[1:20:44] I don't mean to call him names, I just
criticize him when I come here.
[1:20:47] » Totally.
>> You have to be honest here.
[1:20:49] » Thank you.
>> I appreciate it.
[1:20:52] » Thank you.
>> Thanks, Nolan. Uh Todd.
[1:20:56] Could I have that uh could I have what
you had there, that law? You have that
[1:21:00] written?
>> Yeah.
[1:21:06] » Sure, Mr. Buckman.
>> Yeah.
[1:21:09] Do you want to take a quick look?
>> Sure.
[1:21:10] » Cuz I was going to do the contracts
tonight.
[1:21:14] Show him what it is. Thank you.
[1:21:20] Did he have
Did he have a right?
[1:21:23] » No, that's fine.
Go on.
[1:21:27] » Thank you.
>> Yep. Jim's got us covered.
[1:21:29] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[1:21:30] » Um
>> You keep sitting here.
[1:21:32] » Okay, that's it for the meeting forum.
Um so, I'm going to go down to the dog
[1:21:38] control officer,
which isn't here tonight, right?
[1:21:42] » Mr. Chief, the dog control officer.
>> Okay.
[1:21:45] Um we did we have a report in here, but
we also um
[1:21:50] had an inspection of the
kennel
[1:21:55] um
unsatisfactory.
[1:21:57] But, she is now naming the town that
she's unsatisfied with them.
[1:22:03] » Who was that again?
>> I'm sorry, I can't
[1:22:06] » Okay.
Um which I appreciate that because she
[1:22:09] would never before name the who was
doing the problem and what the problem
[1:22:13] Well, we know what the problem is.
Conditions on the shelter and then poor
[1:22:18] record keeping for the town.
Uh that she named there.
[1:22:23] So, um
[1:22:26] And he passed his inspection
Richfield so
[1:22:31] we're we're good there.
Rich do you have anything for legal that
[1:22:38] you could
>> No no nothing that's
[1:22:43] been asked
by me to look into it now.
[1:22:45] » Okay.
Town clerk.
[1:22:48] » I got no permits.
>> And
[1:22:51] any licenses are out?
Yes it's been busy with the hunting
[1:22:55] licenses yeah.
[1:22:58] All right.
Now to the supervisor do I have the
[1:23:01] privilege of doing our fire contract Mr.
Buffalo?
[1:23:05] » I don't know
correct.
[1:23:08] » Okay.
[1:23:13] » I don't see any exception for a renewal
someone someone renewal right?
[1:23:17] » It's a renewal.
>> Yeah I don't see any exception for a
[1:23:20] renewal I don't know.
>> So we need to do a public hearing next
[1:23:22] meeting?
>> Yes yes that will be with notice.
[1:23:25] » With notice okay.
>> Make sure you get an affidavit of
[1:23:29] publication for that in the newspaper.
[1:23:35] » Did you hear him?
[1:23:38] Okay we need a motion then for um
[1:23:42] » For public hearing?
>> Public hearing for the
[1:23:45] firemen's contract
for September
[1:23:51] 8th 9th?
>> Is that our regular meeting?
[1:23:54] » Yes that that will be our regular
meeting. Yes.
[1:23:57] » September 9th.
>> September 9th.
[1:24:00] » I'll make a motion.
I'll for September 9th.
[1:24:05] » I'll second that.
>> Andy second?
[1:24:17] Vote to accept Arlene.
>> Yes.
[1:24:20] » Uh Tammy.
>> Yes.
[1:24:23] » Warren.
>> Yes.
[1:24:25] » Pete?
>> I abstain from the 10.
[1:24:27] » Pete abstain.
[1:24:31] Who abstained
Andy?
[1:24:34] » Yes.
>> You?
[1:24:38] So carried.
>> Okay.
[1:24:41] Um
We had an update the other day the
[1:24:44] gentleman came in from the um
bridge over on County Route 4.
[1:24:50] Uh, they will be switching to the other
side in about 2 weeks.
[1:24:55] I wanted people to know this.
And um
[1:25:00] I've been asked several times
where are they getting their water?
[1:25:05] And I asked him.
And he said the river.
[1:25:09] He said
I'm just letting you know the water's
[1:25:12] not coming from
us.
[1:25:15] Okay?
Um
[1:25:20] » [clears throat]
>> Good work, power and water and
[1:25:23] » I can see it.
I got the pump right down on the side.
[1:25:28] When we get that set
>> Did you drink your water?
[1:25:33] Motion to pay all bills.
>> I think second motion to pay all bills.
[1:25:38] » Pete motion to pay all bills.
I second
[1:25:42] Tanny second the motion.
[1:25:51] It's seven bills.
Darlene?
[1:25:54] » Yes.
>> Tanner?
[1:25:58] » Yes.
>> Warren?
[1:25:59] » Yes.
>> Pete?
[1:26:02] » Yes.
>> Andy?
[1:26:04] » Yes.
[1:26:06] » So carried.
[1:26:10] » Okay. Now I would like a motion to
adjourn.
[1:26:15] » I will make it.
>> Oh.
[1:26:17] » Yes, ma'am.
>> Just wanted to let you know the town
[1:26:19] hall is available September 2nd if you
want to have the meeting here for that.
[1:26:23] » Okay, well then let's just plan that.
Add the firehouse so that
[1:26:30] cuz it's September 2nd.
For the town hall meeting for water
[1:26:35] rates September 2nd at the fire hall.
Okay?
[1:26:40] Thank you, Julie.
[1:26:46] » I need a motion.
>> Okay, you need a motion to adjourn.
[1:26:49] » So I'll make a motion to adjourn.
>> Warren made a motion to adjourn. Second.
[1:26:55] » I second.
>> Pete second.
[1:27:02] I'll
need to read a roll call to
[1:27:05] Darlene.
>> Yes.
[1:27:07] » Patty.
>> Yes.
[1:27:09] » Warren.
>> Yes.
[1:27:11] » Pete.
>> Yes.
[1:27:13] » Andy.
>> Yes.
[1:27:14] » So moved. We are adjourned.
>> Okay, thank you everyone for coming.
[1:27:18] » Thank you.