1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:09,000 Roll call. Uh, invitation will be given by councelor Thomas and pledge of 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,000 allegiance by councelor Bradis. 3 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:11,440 » Stephen Ford >> here. 4 00:00:10,719 --> 00:00:12,559 » Brad Willis >> here. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,799 » Leslie Evans >> here. Crystal Lacy 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,080 » here. Roger >> here. 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,560 » Scott Thomas >> here. 8 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:21,960 » Here >> everybody's here. 9 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:26,910 Father, [snorts] 10 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:38,719 we pray Lord that you just give us wisdom and guidance as we liberation 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:44,520 tonight as we head home. Pray for those who 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,520 name. Amen. Amen 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:53,760 to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:59,399 stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,399 for all. 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:09,600 » Special order of business. Uh recommendation was brought by the budget 17 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:13,840 committee for the police fleet uh because of availability of vehicles. 18 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:17,840 That's why we're having [snorts] this special meeting. 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:22,240 We have prepared uh two resolutions just in case actually one resolution for the 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,560 purchase of the vehicles and then I think that we have uh one of our uh 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:33,439 council members that'll that'll maybe make a suggestion on that. So anyway, um 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:39,040 obviously I I'll I'll turn it over to Josh uh and Chief Herring in the fact 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:45,600 that uh we have have been fighting this uphill battle with vehicles over there 24 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:51,520 at the PD and um uh [snorts] we had began to entertain enterprise rental 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:55,600 fleet um to to come in and and take care of all 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,320 of our vehicle needs over there. We've got some of our vehicles over there in 27 00:01:57,119 --> 00:02:01,920 the in the police on the police department side of things that are 19 28 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:08,239 years of age that we're we're still driving every day. And uh you know, 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:11,760 obviously that went arry with with Enterprise 30 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:17,599 uh still very disappointed in that was it was a very good program I think but 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:24,800 then they then they quit uh doing it for police vehicles. U so anyway uh [snorts] 32 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:29,040 Chief Herring picked up the ball uh vised with me a couple times. We've been 33 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:32,800 up to Jofflin [snorts] to look at edu, I think is the company's name. Uh, and 34 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:37,280 I'll turn it over to him and let him discuss to tell tell everybody what we 35 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:42,000 found out. So, so, thank you guys all for coming in. I 36 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:46,800 know I'm not the only one on the agenda, but I do appreciate you guys coming in 37 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:51,920 and taking the time to listen to me. Um, so obviously I've been working at the 38 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:56,720 police department for about 20 years. And 20 years ago, we had five officers 39 00:02:54,879 --> 00:03:01,760 and five vehicles. [snorts] At that time, replacing my oldest unit each year 40 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:07,200 kept our fleet current. But now with 13 officers, 13 units, and one reserve unit 41 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:12,080 and growing, still only adding just the one vehicle every year hasn't kept pace. 42 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:17,599 Uh we currently have vehicles ranging from 5 to 19 years old as the mayor just 43 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:22,640 said um responding to calls to service. So coming to your house, we have a 44 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:27,599 19year-old car, maybe a 16 year old car. Um we've had several issues with the 45 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:33,040 16-year-old cars obviously um transmission wise. Um but just obviously 46 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,200 the older those cars get, the more problematic they are for us at the at 47 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,720 the police department. And that's not good when you're trying to answer a 48 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:44,959 domestic call and your car breaks down and you know you have to find some other 49 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,519 way to get to it or find somebody to come pick you up and take take you. So 50 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:54,640 that's not always the fun fun part of it. Um as as we all know vehicles are 51 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:58,400 not cheap and their maintenance isn't is just as expensive. Um in the last few 52 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:03,439 years I've just been paying attention to a lot of our vehicles that are are in or 53 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,280 past the seven and eight year mark which have been more problematic for us. um 54 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:12,239 everything from water pumps in the Ford Explorers costing upwards of $5,000 to 55 00:04:10,239 --> 00:04:17,359 replace to the Dodge Durango and the Chargers um having coolant issues and 56 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:24,800 currently cost us two motors in in one Durango and one Dodge uh Charger. Um 57 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:29,120 the that brings me to another issue. As we continued to just get one vehicle a 58 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:33,440 year on state bid, those vehicles change. From when I started, we were 59 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:38,080 doing Crown Vicks, then it changed one year to to Chevy and Palace, then 60 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:44,160 Chargers, then Durangos, Ford Explorers, and then to Chevy Titles, which means 61 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:50,000 that's an wide array of of models in one fleet. and uh makes it almost impossible 62 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:54,720 to predict a budget on upcoming general maintenance. The tires uh oil changes 63 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:59,120 cost much less predicting something major when it breaks down um with all 64 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:02,880 the different year models and the mates and of those vehicles in one fleet. 65 00:05:02,613 --> 00:05:09,199 » [clears throat] >> Uh what I propose to the budget 66 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:14,160 committee with the help of ESU pursuits and government capital who the city is 67 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:20,240 currently working with now um we have an opportunity to standardize my fleet 68 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:26,560 across the patrol division with six Taho fully updated and one admin truck fully 69 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:30,400 updated um to replace all of our oldest vehicles 70 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:34,320 except for two. One is an 8-year-old vehicle and one is a six-y old vehicle. 71 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:38,639 The 8-year-old vehicle has 50,000 miles on it, so it's pretty squared away. Um, 72 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:43,199 and it happens to be our animal control truck that we have. And then the 73 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:48,320 six-year-old vehicle, um, we had no no issues out of, and as of today, we've 74 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:52,960 had no issues. Um, so the reason why I picked the Chevy Tahoe, uh, obviously 75 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:57,199 they are a little more expensive. You're going to you're going to pay for what 76 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:01,280 you get. And uh we currently have two newer Taho in our fleet that you guys 77 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:08,639 graciously let me uh purchase a couple years back. And uh getting that the same 78 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:14,400 vehicles across the patrol division to be able to um keep up with the 79 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:18,479 maintenance, keep up with all of that uh better. And then also like there's a lot 80 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:23,840 of safety issues when it comes to law enforcement. You get in, you get an 81 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:28,560 officer that's driving say a Chevy Imp, and then something happens and he has to 82 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:32,880 jump in a Dodge Durango. Well, it's not easy for him to just jump in that car. 83 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,720 Sometimes the shifter is a spin shifter, sometimes it's a column shifter, 84 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:41,520 sometimes it's on the floor. So, there's just things that will slow an officer 85 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:45,360 down trying to respond to those cars. But if they're the same standardized 86 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,880 across the patrol division, it'll make it a lot easier for us to get in those 87 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:53,199 cars, know where everything is, and respond to those calls in a timely 88 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:58,720 manner. Um, the uh Chevy Tahoe has generally holds 89 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:02,880 it a better resale value compared to something like the Ford Expedition 90 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:07,520 largely due to its strong demand and reliability. Uh, both vehicles are 91 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:13,599 durable, but the Tahoe has a reputation for longevity. And the Tahoe typically 92 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:19,680 edges out the competition and resale uh value due to its uh cons constant 93 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:26,479 demand. People just want they like the Taho. They're durable. Families use 94 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:30,400 them. They're work vehicles. Uh the feds right now, they are using them and they 95 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:36,080 are buying them up. And that is part of the reason why we're here tonight trying 96 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:41,199 to get this on in front of you guys is because that is happening across the the 97 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:45,120 United States. Um the space is another thing with those 98 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:50,479 Taho. You know, we put all these cages in our in our vehicles. You got a 99 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Durango that is very small, very tight. You got a Charger is really really small 100 00:07:52,880 --> 00:08:01,440 and really really tight. with the Tahoe, the space allows enough space um for law 101 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,759 enforcement, for the prisoner transport cages, um just everything that's 102 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:10,400 necessary for the officer to do the job. So, the Tahoe is is the pick for that. 103 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:16,720 Um going back to maintenance, um I've talked to Jason Yates probably a half a 104 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:21,840 dozen times and uh just the major uh work and repair that he does for most of 105 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:26,160 our vehicles. Um, I'm pretty sure he could tell you that Taho is probably his 106 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:32,240 number one pick when it comes to to vehicles that he would work on and 107 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:36,560 getting parts availability um, and just the reliability of it. Um, he's been 108 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,560 doing this type of work for a long time, so I respect anything that he tells me. 109 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:44,320 I'm not I'm not a mechanic, so I can't tell you that that man back there could 110 00:08:42,479 --> 00:08:48,800 tell you anything I need to know about about a vehicle. Um, but and also it 111 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:52,399 holds its warranty just or holds a warranty just like any vehicle that you 112 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,240 would buy off of a lot. Um, it's a limited warranty uh that includes 113 00:08:54,560 --> 00:09:01,360 bumper-to-bumper coverage, three years or 36,000 mi. And then the powertrain 114 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:05,680 warranty is 5 years and 60,000 mi, whichever one comes first. So, going 115 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:11,440 back to the ESU Pursuits, using them to build these units, um, the equipment 116 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:15,120 that they put in these units, they will actually warranty that that equipment. 117 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:20,160 So when you're talking about the cages, the sirens, the lights, the gun locks, 118 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:26,560 all of that is covered by three years of warranty. And then the main brain that 119 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:30,080 runs the lights is a 5year warranty. So these [clears throat] guys are sharp 120 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:36,640 when it comes to this stuff after we spoke to them and they uh they have it 121 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:40,640 down to where they know that if they put that in that car that they're going to 122 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,880 warranty it theirelves and they will send a tech to us in Huntsville. we 123 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:49,200 would not have to go to Joplin. They would send them to us and they would fix 124 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:54,080 a light or a gun lock or whatever it was that was wrong with it for the three 125 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,640 years or five years on the plane. Um 126 00:09:56,056 --> 00:10:01,760 [clears throat] so I obviously choosing the ESU to build 127 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:06,480 these um they have several locations all over the the US. Um they have years of 128 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:11,360 experience after talking to them. Most of them are law enforcement, fire, 129 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:17,440 emergency personnel. Um they do do fire, they do EMS, they do anything that has 130 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:21,519 to do with uh emergency response vehicles. Um they're the ones that's 131 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,279 doing the installs on these vehicles. So they have a good idea of what a law 132 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:30,480 enforcement off or law enforcement vehicle needs, a fire fire department 133 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:37,120 vehicle, what they need in that vehicle. Um ESU also does tradeins. So, if we buy 134 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:41,279 vehicles from them and they put this equipment in the vehicle, whenever we're 135 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:46,399 ready to get rid of that vehicle, we can go back to them and say, "We want to 136 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:50,240 trade this in." And if it's seven vehicles, six vehicles, whatever it is, 137 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,680 or just three of those, we can take those, trade them into them. They will 138 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,200 give us top dollar because they are the ones that put the equipment in there. 139 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:01,360 They know how good that vehicle was done. And of course, if you're buying a 140 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,040 vehicle that's got the resale value, then they're more likely to give you top 141 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:11,200 dollar on the trade and then you just go right back into what you're what you 142 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:14,720 started with in the the first place. Um, the mayor the mayor and I took a trip 143 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:19,120 down there. He told you guys that and we spoke to them for several hours. Um, 144 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:24,560 they gave us advice, they gave us options, they answered all the questions 145 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:29,040 crazy from both of us and absolutely had no pressure techniques. The guy that 146 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:34,160 talked to us was a salesman at all. He was actually still a law enforcement 147 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:39,440 officer that worked in Joplin and uh so he had good good advice on stuff that 148 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:45,440 they run into all the time over there in Joplin. Um 149 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:50,399 so I went and I just so after all that I went on in 2024 and 2025 and I pulled 150 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:56,959 our vehicle maintenance and our equipment mostly the upfitting side of 151 00:11:52,160 --> 00:12:01,680 the equipment and in 2024 we spent 29 $325.37 152 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:07,120 out of a $30,000 budget in maintenance just in repairs. 153 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:12,560 In 25, we spent $18,978 in just in repairs out of a $29,000 154 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:16,800 budget. In the equipment budget, it consistently around 60,000, but just 155 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,120 particularly in upfitting, it ranges from 7,000 to 10,000 depending on what 156 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:24,639 you're putting in the car. And then obviously if it's a K9 unit, it goes up 157 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:29,760 from there. >> And and I'll add this SU group since 158 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:38,519 it's kind of cradle to grave uh what they do for these vehicles. Uh since 159 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:38,519 they have the the uh in stock 160 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:45,040 build out for one of these cars like the cages and K9 units and all that. Since 161 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:49,839 they have all that in stock, it actually saved us on the front end of this 162 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:54,079 probably about $40,000 from what we've done in the past. buy one vehicle and 163 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:59,279 then take it to somebody to customize it for for a police unit, right? And and if 164 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:03,680 they're doing all six or seven of these vehicles all at one time, it saves us 165 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:07,920 about $40,000 historically from what we've spent in the past to do those 166 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,800 vehicles. So, that's a good point to add to what they do. 167 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,639 » Yeah. Because if we continue just for say the next six years buying one 168 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:20,079 vehicle every year, that's $60,000 if you if you're going by the $10,000 mark 169 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:23,839 to to upfit that vehicle every year. So, we're roughly paying 60,000. So, yes, 170 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,320 the 40,000 would be >> y 171 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:30,880 » be very accurate. Um, on the [snorts] 2024 and the 2025, again, if we just 172 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:37,600 followed that trend like I just said and we ran that out for six years, um, you 173 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:43,040 would see it's a $565,000 um, if of 2024, if we just continue to 174 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:47,040 do the same thing, spending the vehicle fund every year, upfitting it every 175 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:52,079 year, and then the maintenance. Obviously, with newer vehicles, we're 176 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:57,360 I'm hoping with newer vehicles that are my maintenance budget will actually be 177 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:01,839 better off because I'm not having to take every vehicle that's 13 years old, 178 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:06,240 16 years old, 19 years old, and trying to keep it on the road when I've got all 179 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:12,639 these new the newer vehicles to to not put so much maintenance into. Um, and 180 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:18,160 then again with 2025's uh trend, if it stayed, it would be around 503,000. 181 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:23,954 um if we did it for six years, just continued on the same route. Um as far 182 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:29,279 as financing, um ESU uses Capital [snorts] Fleet Solutions and we got a 183 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:35,839 quote from them for a six-year lease on seven units upfitted and it was $537,000 184 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:41,680 and at 6.9% interest. And me and the mayor 185 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:46,399 kind of chuckled when when we saw the saw that because we knew that the 186 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:50,480 interest rate was not that. And uh he actually came up with the idea of 187 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:55,680 looking at the government capital which the fire department and the city is 188 00:14:52,000 --> 00:15:04,160 working with and uh I sent it over to DC over there and uh he came back with his 189 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:08,560 at 4.89% 89% interest, same vehicles, same price for [snorts] the six years. 190 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:13,839 The difference in the ESU, the capital fleet, and uh going with DC at the 191 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:18,800 government capital is the first one was a lease. It was a true lease. So we we 192 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:23,040 would not technically own those vehicles or the equipment in there until it was 193 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:27,120 done at the end of its lease. With the DCs, if we go with the government 194 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,959 capital, we own them as soon as soon as the checks wrote and they're delivered 195 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,680 to us. >> And we're not hamstring by what offer a 196 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:38,240 lot of times certain mileage, certain hours on vehicles. And now they're 197 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:43,120 geared more for police and fire rescue type vehicles, but at the same time, as 198 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,800 everybody in here knows, uh, a lot of times, uh, you know, we c we get the we 199 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:51,040 get the calls and complaints sometimes that people don't realize that these 200 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:54,560 guys have have performed maybe an investigative duty. They're sitting in 201 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:59,440 their car. they're they have to have that car on with the computer running so 202 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,800 they can go to ACIC so they can do everything that they need to do from 203 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,399 their car. Uh those vehicles are constantly running so we're not 204 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,880 hamstring by that as far as the leasing goes. 205 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:14,959 » Right. So the the or government capital when 206 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:19,800 they sent that back at the 4.89% 9%. The the yearly payment was 106,31447 207 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:29,040 compared to the 6% interest at 110,000 a year. And and those payments obviously 208 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:34,560 they don't start until the a year after the financing, which obviously helps my 209 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:40,720 budget tremendously in the year 2026 by not having to to make a payment until 210 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:45,759 2027. Um and so what I proposed to the budget committee uh using the government 211 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:52,720 capital due to its lower interest rates and uh using my vehicle fund which was 212 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:58,240 it's 55,000 is typically what we get in our budget for a new vehicle every year 213 00:16:55,199 --> 00:17:05,439 and then taking 20,000 from my equipment which makes a $75,000 down payment 214 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:11,919 towards the 537,000 which would bring it down to 462. 2 at 215 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:18,559 4.98% interest for the six years and it brings it under 100,000 around 91, 216 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:23,039 uh, 590 is what it brings it down to, which is definitely more manageable for 217 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:27,520 me even out of my current budget now if I was to pull that out there. Um, I'm 218 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:31,360 not going to lie to you. I don't think I mean probably the first two or three 219 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:36,240 years I would be okay as far as maintenance and and the equipment, I'd 220 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:40,480 be fine. But um [snorts] it's it's it would get it would get hard come you 221 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,200 know the fifth year, sixth year, seventh year trying to make it to where we're 222 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,280 actually [clears throat] profiting off of the cars because we 223 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:53,280 have newer cars with less miles and things like that. But uh I definitely 224 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:56,559 think that that it's doable the 91,000 to uh to pay out of my budget if I had 225 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,880 to. >> I think uh on on this year's budget, 226 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:06,400 just so you know, you can see down here what Chief Herring prepared the 55,000. 227 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:11,360 That's a line item that he's got in his budget right now. Uh and he's got an 228 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:17,120 additional 60,000 I think under equipment. Uh he's proposing taking 229 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:20,960 55,000 using 20,000 out of the equipment budget and then 10,000 out of 230 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:25,760 maintenance, which would be $85,000 a year that we're already currently paying 231 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:30,320 out uh for the use of the vehicle. So, we're getting really close with that 232 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:37,440 $75,000 uh dollar down payment. We're getting really close to only being we're 233 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:42,640 within uh $6,59010 of what our today's budget is. So 26 234 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,600 budget. Every year we end up putting a little bit more into these budgets. 235 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Obviously, you know, we've done it for the fire department. This gets us a 236 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:56,320 start in the right direction of of maintaining a one type of vehicle in the 237 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:01,360 fleet. Mr. Yates is here. He can he can vouch. He and I have had private 238 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:04,400 conversations about this and and uh you know I mean Jason gets to work on a 239 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:09,120 little bit of everything out there at his shop, but he said the Taho seem to 240 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:16,080 have worked out all the bugs in 23 I think 23 and 24 and these 25 and 26 241 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:21,840 vehicles are are the uh cream of the crop so to speak. again that fiveyear 242 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:26,799 60,000 milei warranty uh we get to that that's almost the life of this thing uh 243 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:31,120 and what what Chief Herring's proposed I think is absolutely a doable thing. I 244 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:36,720 think the budget committee agrees with that in the aspect of u of of what we're 245 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,960 currently financing and how we increase that every year. I think this will pay 246 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,559 for itself. Now does that mean that it's going to get us out of the hole that 247 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:50,880 we're in now? Yes. in the fact that we've got 19 year old vehicles that 248 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:54,400 we're replacing. Is it going to are we going to have another jump off 249 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:58,960 point at some point in time? Probably six, seven, eight years down the road, 250 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:03,200 yes, we may have to look at replacing more and keeping some of these as part 251 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:07,280 of our fleet. But what it does is it gets us out of that routine of buying 252 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:12,400 one vehicle a year. uh and it doesn't really affect the bottom line, so to 253 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:15,679 speak, in the fact that it's $6,590 more what we're proposing now than what 254 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:21,600 we were already going to spend this year. So, uh I think it's a no-brainer. 255 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:26,240 I absolutely support the idea. Chief, I want to tell you, you done a fantastic 256 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:30,400 job of preparing this and thanks for not dropping the ball. I know I get busy a 257 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:34,480 lot of times and and you stayed lazy being focused on this and I think it's 258 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:38,480 high time we do something about it. So for that, I I greatly appreciate all the 259 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:43,640 work that you put into this. And now we'll open it up for questions to our 260 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,640 council members. 261 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:50,520 Anybody have any questions for Chief? 262 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:57,120 » Yes. [laughter] >> Did you get better the second time? 263 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:02,400 » Yeah. >> They always say that the first version 264 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:06,400 is always second. So, some people had a first version tonight. I had a first. 265 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,919 » You did good both times. >> You did both. 266 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:14,960 » Yeah. I think you done a fantastic job as well. Um, the only other thing that 267 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:20,400 I'll add to this and our our and I got to think about this today. Uh, Jessica's 268 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:25,600 not here. I think since it's a financial u perform that we're looking at like 269 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:32,159 like financing money, I'm not sure if it has to go out uh like 270 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,679 you know in a formal bid pack since since we've been keeping everybody 271 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:41,440 astute of everything that's going on here with the council and all that. I 272 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:46,000 don't know that it has to, but that's the only that's the only caveat that I 273 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:50,640 thought of that would hinder us from buying these tomorrow. 274 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:55,039 » I thought government capital might be there are certain 275 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,280 there are certain ones you can do business with and that's already been 276 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,280 taken care of. And I kind of thought they were 277 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,400 I uh >> I know that they are used around the 278 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:06,480 state. That's how we got in touch with them in the first place. 279 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:11,039 » So if that's the case, you may not we may not have a a cool off or waiting 280 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:15,679 period for that. But but we will find that out. That's that's the legality of 281 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:21,840 it. But what we need tonight is decide if we want to enter into this agreement 282 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:29,200 with government capital. Uh and if so, uh we need to take a vote on that. Well, 283 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:34,240 I'll make the motion that we proceed using government council for the 284 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:39,760 purchase of the six Taho and the one truck and 285 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:45,520 » approve resolution. The the only thing that I would like to 286 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:50,559 see done instead of u depleting his budget in 2026 287 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:57,559 since we're just in February that the 75,000 down payment be made out in 288 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,559 general so we don't 289 00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:07,120 » yeah so we so since you all since you all made this suggestion in our in our 290 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,320 budget committee meeting we went ahead and prepared another resolution just 291 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:16,000 that >> um we'll have I think we'll have to vote 292 00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:21,360 on those two separate things but um so table hold that thought. So we have a 293 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:26,320 motion on the on the table right now uh to go ahead and proceed with government 294 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,720 capital uh corporation for the financing of the $462,573 295 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:39,120 at 4.89% 89% of annual payments beginning April or May of 2027 296 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:42,400 uh for $91,59010 that'll come directly from the budget of 297 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,760 the police department. >> Is it 4.89 or 4.98? 298 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:56,080 » It's 4.89. This is the original sheet. >> Okay. 299 00:23:52,080 --> 00:24:01,200 » That's just a typo. It's 4.89%. >> Yeah. Uh so we have a motion for that. 300 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Do we have a second? >> Make a second. 301 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:11,919 » Second from Guy. Uh, do we need a roll call since it's 302 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:15,200 half a million dollars? >> Call. [laughter] 303 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,640 » Yes. >> Yes. 304 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720 » Leslie Evans. >> Yes. Chris Lacy. 305 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,400 » Yes. >> Roger O. 306 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000 » Yes. >> Thomas. 307 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,720 » Yes. >> Yes. 308 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:29,840 » Yes. >> Mr. May I make a move motion that we 309 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:33,039 approve resolution 6-2026. >> I'll second that. 310 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,799 » Have a motion. Have a second. All those in favor say I. 311 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:41,039 » Uh that is a resolution regarding a lease purchase agreement for the 312 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:45,919 purposes of procuring police units and upfitting. And I won't you all have been 313 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:52,320 that was included in your packet. So you all had a chance to look at that. That 314 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:56,880 resolution passes. Okay. Next. >> Well Leslie opened the door. You told 315 00:24:53,760 --> 00:25:00,640 her to wait. Yes. So Leslie, you want to make a motion for resolution number 316 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,039 7-2026? >> Yes. I make a motion that we approve 317 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:08,159 resolution 7-206. >> I second. 318 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,240 » Have a second by Miss Lacy. All those in favor say I. 319 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,960 » All oppose, same sign. And just to go on the record, u this is a resolution 320 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:22,720 amending the adopted 2026 budget for the city of Huntsville. and and I'll I'll 321 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:28,559 cut down here. [snorts] Basically, what we are doing to be very clear, 322 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:33,440 we have the $75,000 in the police department's budget. We're leaving that 323 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:38,880 in there. Uh we have about 980 some odd,000 in unallocated funds that that 324 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:44,240 has not been budgeted. We will we will draw from unallocated funds for the $75 325 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:48,960 or $75,000. So, it does not affect uh Chief 326 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:54,240 Herring's budget this year at all. And the city will cover a $75,000 down 327 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,480 payment is what that resolution is about. 328 00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:01,600 » That also leaves us in good shape for your first payment. 329 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,600 » And and whenever we talked about this, but just so everybody's clear how we 330 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:10,480 budget on these things, we start in about September, October, uh we'll add. 331 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:15,760 So, so we'll just have to remind ourselves that'll be a carryover. So, 332 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:18,480 you'll have better almost I would say depending on how we budget you'd 333 00:26:17,258 --> 00:26:21,600 [snorts] have almost two years worth of payments already at your disposal 334 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,120 whenever you got ready to do it >> right 335 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:29,120 » at any point in time DC Greer with government capital said that we could 336 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:32,799 always go in if we pay a big chunk down we can go in if interest rates are are 337 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:38,320 lower we'll find out in March if they're going to go down again uh March or April 338 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:43,919 uh hopefully they will if President Trump gets his way uh I'm hoping he does 339 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:48,880 uh and they do go down um If that happens, we can always put a big 340 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,799 down payment toward this and refinance uh right after our first payment. 341 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:55,279 [clears throat] So, >> there should be some dollars from the 342 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,200 resale. >> Yes. Yes. 343 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:04,080 » Yes. And I we've got some ideas about that and Chief Herring and I will be 344 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:07,760 working on those things. So, >> how much does it cost us to get signage? 345 00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:13,279 [cough and clears throat] >> So, obviously you guys have seen the 346 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:18,000 newer Taho that we have. I don't want to say it's plain, but it's a very basic. 347 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:24,000 It's a state police, state highway police setup, [snorts] and that is very 348 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:27,360 inexpensive. It's roughly $300 just for the stickers. I put them on. So, I'm not 349 00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:32,240 paying for somebody to put them on because they are so easy. 350 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,159 » And Josh has at his disposal act money. >> Yes. The 988 pack. 351 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,679 » The 988. >> It has to go towards vehicles. It can't 352 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:41,360 go towards anything else. So, either equipment or just the vehicle itself. 353 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,880 And now that we're doing the step program, we may have potentially some 354 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,799 money's coming to us. >> I've heard that the step program has 355 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:54,559 actually bought like bought outright departments cars. So 356 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:58,640 » part of the reason why we're >> do we have a motion for adjournment so 357 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,679 we can let the planning committee Oh, and and to the planning commission, 358 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,520 thank you all so much for waiting patiently. Uh thank you very much for 359 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,360 that. Appreciate it, >> sir. Yes, sir. Make the motion. 360 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,320 » Tim Ford, let's go. Let's go home. Let's planning commit me.