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There. I try again. I try again. Try again. Try, try, try.

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okay. Okay.

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and you're standing. There is seating available

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in the lobby with the tv. You'll be seeing it live

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if that's your choice. Or you can stand. I'm okay with

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either one. How

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are we? We good? Yeah. All right. We're good.

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all right. With that, I will call the planning and zoning commission for tuesday, april 7th, 2026.

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two. Order. First

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is roll call. Commissioner sherrod.

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here. Vice chair wortz. Chair.

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chair hudson is here. Commissioner

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hall here. Commissioner de delay here. Commissioner

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deleon here. And commissioner kenard? Yes sir. We have

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a quorum. All next item is public

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comment. Uh, I should

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have a stack of public comment cards.

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alright, here they come.

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and there's in the thing

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in the . All right.

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so in a very minor departure, I am

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going to call your name and ask if you want to speak in general

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as public comment or if you want to speak on a specific agenda item.

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if you want to speak on a specific agenda item, I'll put you in a stack.

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okay. So first up I have david garza

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in general, or, uh, agenda item. Agenda item. Alright. Uh,

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6 5, 6, 4. Uh, which

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item? It's, I'll put it. Six four data center.

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uh, nick ock. Uh, in

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general. In general. All right. Thank you. Brett

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sutton, the data center agenda item.

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all right. Uh, nick choi.

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uh, dana. Thinner. Okay. Xavier

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garza. Item on 6.1.

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six one? Yeah. All right. Uh, sandra roth

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center agenda item. All right. Catherine.

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mike. Meek. Meek? Yes. Hi.

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yes. Agenda item. All right. Six four.

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uh, andrew walsh. Item.

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alright, uh, hannah miller.

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agenda item alexander sellers

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caballero. Caballero. Sorry. David center.

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nick clark. Adam, six four.

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uh, charmaine hadley.

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okay. Uh, dennis kaufman.

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data center. Helen kaufman. Data center.

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agenda items? Cameron harvey, the center.

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alright. Oh. Can barely read

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this one. Uh, s jenkins. S jenkins

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data center. Alright. Riley pruitt.

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in. Senator lisa

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zacharias.

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tiffany wilson.

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shauna wills agenda item 6.1. Six one.

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alright, mark leons 6.4.

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sally leons, 6.4.

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kristen markowitz. Hold on. Six

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six four. Christy yal data center.

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sarah near six four and six five.

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colby taylor data center.

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richard booth data center.

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um, monika kia. Um, adam, 6.1. Wr

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farms. Matthew martin data center.

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uh, mcir. Item six four.

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yes, sir. Uh, brandon

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lindsay run rumba data center. And

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greg rumba data center. Okay. So we have

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all right, so these are six one. So these

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oh, he said public comment, that's why I separated it out. Oh, okay.

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he, he was just general. Okay. So just to confirm, uh, nick ock,

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right? Uh, it's my apologies. It's about the data center data. Okay.

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consideration possible action of the meeting minutes for the regular scheduled planning and zoning meeting

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held on february 3rd, 2026.

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I'll make a motion that we accept the minutes. I'll second.

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so I have a motion by vice chair watz and

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a second by commissioner

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delay. All right, is there any discussion

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alright, hearing none then I will call for vote. All in favor say a.

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aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? Same sign.

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motion passes. Seven zero.

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next is item 5.1, consent agenda,

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consideration impossible action on the amending plat of the maldonado

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subdivision. 8.01 acres, more or less of land four

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lots located on limmer loop.

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hello commissioners, this is manny hernandez. Uh, for the record, um,

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the applicant is here to answer any questions if, uh, need be.

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but the, uh, proposed, the proposed amending

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plat is, uh, for the maldonado subdivision, it's approximately

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eight acres. It consists of four total lots, um, each of them

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being two acres. Um, the applicant is seeking to,

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uh, move the lot lines between lots three and four to

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dedicate, uh, 0.503 acres to lot four. Uh, this lot

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is located, uh, on the north side of limmer loop, uh, between

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innovation boulevard and ed schmidt.

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so currently this property is owned, uh, general commercial b two

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and the surrounding uses are as follows. To the north, we have, uh, vacant

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land, um, which is part of the etj, uh, the extra territorial

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jurisdiction. It has a da on it where if the use changes, it'll

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be, uh, annexed into city limits to the east. Uh, we have, um,

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it's vacant on all sides right now, but to the east and the west we have, uh, b two zoning as

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well. And to the south we have a vacant light industrial. Um, the image

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here is of the, um, lot layout, how

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it will look in the future if approved tonight. Um, and in your packet you should have,

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uh, the original plat of how that looked before.

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alright, and so staff has reviewed this, um, with the udc

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in mind. Um, the applicant did, uh, waive the shock clock bill

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and, uh, staff recommends approval of this plat with the condition that,

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um, the signature sheet is updated, um, uh,

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to, uh, howard as it, uh, still reads, uh, john, but

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that's something staff can, uh, handle on our end. Mm-hmm .

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alright, so with that, I will entertain a motion on

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5.1. I will make a motion to prove, uh,

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5.1 as read.

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I will second it.

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all right. And I would like to just clarify, are you

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okay with the staff recommendation? Absolutely. Yes. Alright. Uh,

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vice chair wortz, you, you're okay with the staff recommendation for

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the signature sheet? Yes. Alright. Alright. So

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I have a motion by commissioner sherrod and a second by vice chair tz.

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uh, any discussion on the motion? None,

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then I will call for vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All

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opposed? Same sign. Motion passes seven zero.

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next is item 6.1, old business consideration,

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possible action on the durango farms phase one lot two, a block, a

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repl, 1.226 acres, more or less of land

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located at the southwest corner of me lane and 1660.

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hi. So commissioners, uh, manny once again. Uh, let me just add

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in, uh, how we proceed with this. Uh, typically we will

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have presentation by staff that may answer some

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questions and then we will have the public comment come up. You will have,

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I'll, I'll address that during the public comment. Alright, thank you. So, um,

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you guys may remember this from a few months ago when it came before, but, um,

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so for those of you who might not remember, and for the general public, this is, uh, durango

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farms phase one lot two a, uh, repl.

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so it's located within city limits as stated earlier. It's on that corner of me, lane

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and north fm 1660. And the purpose of this repl

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is just to create a, a new lot for the monument sign and the

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landscaping around it. Um, currently that responsibility falls

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on the commercial lot, the daycare that's on there. So this'll, um, take

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that responsibility off of that and, uh, put that maintenance onto

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the hoa. Um, so the surrounding

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uses are, um, mostly part of the same durango farms, pud,

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but to the north you have a apartment complex, so you have some base zoning of multifamily

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within that pud to the west. You have, um, single family.

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um, so it's pud with that base owning as of sf

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one to the, um, east you have, uh, residential,

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some, uh, older, larger lot style, um, residential. And

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to the south you have, uh, the historic district. You have ot three there on the south side. And

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this is, um, this particular lot is done pud with a base

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zoning of, uh, general commercial. So here we have

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the plat for you guys. On the left hand side, I have the entire plat, and

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then I zoomed in for you guys on the right hand side, um, to view, um, in more

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detail. And, uh, the applicant is here as well for

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this project. If you have any questions for them. Um,

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I know there was some questions on that pue last time around and, um,

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staff has reviewed this similarly as the other one with udc in mind.

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they did waive the shock clock bill, and so staff recommends approval of this

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pla as presented. So we did, excuse me. So we did find

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out that, uh, the p are correct,

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uh, not pe the, the easements. Yeah, no, pues.

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yes. So they are, uh, part of the, uh, they were,

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uh, added in as, uh, requested by staff, uh,

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by the plate note requirements. Um,

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but as if you'd like more specifics, if there's anything in

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that pue or anything like that, the applicant is here to talk about that.

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no, I just know the last, at the last meeting we had questions and we're concerned about,

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about the way it went and everything. And I mean, staff was going to double check and make sure

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that that was correct. So yes, that's fine. Thank you.

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alright, so before, uh, we open it up to questions,

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comments from the dais, we've got some public comment mm-hmm .

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and first up will be,

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uh, monika kia.

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and when you come up, you will have three minutes

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to, uh, to speak.

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uh, unfortunately we do not have the, the fancy

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red, yellow, green that we, uh, typically have at city council.

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okay. So rick is going to use the good old fashioned three minute

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timer . Okay. Uh, please, uh, state

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your name and your address. Sure. Okay. My name's monique. Ready

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now. My name's monika key. I live at 1 34 greens fire lane

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in durango farm subdivision.

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okay. Um, good evening everyone, and thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.

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my name is monika key and I'm speaking on behalf of the homeowners of durango farms.

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I come before you today with serious concerns regarding the developer's ongoing actions

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and the direct impact that they're having on my community. The

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developer ma partners is attempting to transfer the additional

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maintenance responsibilities to our hoa, specifically, the easement that

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we're talking about. This easement is already damaged

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and needs serious repair that they are aware of. This is especially concerning

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because there was a prior agreement with the developers, which they have

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acknowledged that these issues, um, and are, are committing to make

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the necessary repairs before turning over the maintenance to us that has

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not been done. Instead, homeowners are now being asked to take on the cost of

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maintaining damaged infrastructure for a community of approximately only

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250 homes. This c creates a significant and unfair

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financial burden. This is not an isolated issue during

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development, critical responsibilities were not properly maintained. Our detention

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ponds were not adequately cleaned or managed, and were now facing ongoing

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drainage issues, issues that have already failed multiple times

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that the city's aware of and impacting not only our neighborhood,

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but the surrounding neighborhoods. In addition, we are

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now being expected to maintain ponds that serve nearby commercial properties,

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as the gentleman had discussed, which further increases the strain on all of

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us as homeowners. The developers just gave this to us.

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we didn't even know that we owned it. What is most concerning is

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the lack of transparency and governance. The board that was elected

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myself by the homeowners has been completely removed.

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the developers have now inserted themselves back into control over our community

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to do this very same thing. This undermines

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the voice of our community and raises serious concerns about decision making that

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directly affects us all. We're not here to be confrontational. We're

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here to be heard. Our community deserves accountability, transparency,

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and fair treatment. We are asking that no additional maintenance

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responsibilities be placed on us as an hoa. We just cannot

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afford any more damaged or unknown

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property that we didn't know about. We deserve to have a seat at the table

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with these developers to know what is going on. We didn't even know about

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this tonight. We just did research and I found out,

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wow, they're about to just give us over, uh, a monument

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that they know is damaged. There's all kind of issues like you guys were where

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with the pue and all this other stuff that us as you know, homeowners, we don't know all

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of this. But, um, again,

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our homeowners should not be left to carry a financial burden. We're all

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in experiencing it right now with the economy, but as homeowners,

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we do deserve. And we're simply asking what is fair, what is responsible,

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and what we all agreed upon when we purchased our homes. This is our city.

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we love our city, we love our neighbors. And I'm gonna

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continue to see what can we do to hold these developers accountable for what

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they are trying to do. I thank you guys for your consideration. Thank you.

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one, one more addition I forgot to add, um, with

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public comment, you can address us. We are not allowed

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to respond back. So if you ask a question of us, you

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will not get an answer on public comment. That's how it goes. Sorry,

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I didn't make that rule. All right, next up is shauna wills.

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hello and thank you for your consideration. I am shauna wills. I live at 3 3 2

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durango downs drive in durango farms. I think monia kept

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it pretty succinct what I'm concerned about or what I wanna voice his

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support for having full transparency for what we are re financially responsible

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for as a community and as the community of huddle. Also, what

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would be the impact of these changes on our city? So that, I think she

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captured the majority of it in specificity and I just wanna make sure that I'm on record for

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standing with the, with the understanding that we want to be more, we wanna be aware

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of what we are actually maintaining, how we do it, and that we improve

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the city. Thank you for considering. Thank you.

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and next up I have xavier garza.

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hello, my name is xavier garza and I'm the engineer of record for this rela application.

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the purpose of this application, like manny mentioned, is to subdivide lot two

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a from one to two lots to create a standalone lot for the existing

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monument sign and associated landscaping. The new lot will be conveyed

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to the hoa since the monument sign and associated landscaping or community

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benefits. The resulting two lots comply with all setback and easement

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requirements is defined in the city of hu udc in the durango

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farm, durango farms. Pud. Furthermore, it's my understanding that

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the hoa already maintains this monument sign and landscaping. So there is no

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change in the maintenance obligations with this repl. Thank you for your

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time. Thank you.

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okay, so that concludes the public comment on six one

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and I will now open it up to discussion and questions from

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the diets. Are there

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there a, a deed showing that the hoa

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is responsible for maintaining this?

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um, I can check on that, but I'm not

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aware of it at this moment. So I'd have to look at the deed. And

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in the previous plats, does it note that the hoa is responsible

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for maintaining the lot though the monument signs all

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the easements,

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the previous plat, yes. When this plat was originally recorded.

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I can pull that up. Okay, please. I can pull that up.

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so I am curious, what's your line of thinking on this?

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if it's in the original plat that the hoa is responsible

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for maintaining the easement, the landscaping lot, then they're responsible

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for maintaining it. If not, it's not their responsibility and

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the cost should not be on them. Great.

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typically, when a final plot is plotted and recorded, there is

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a note stating that the hoa is responsible for the easements

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and for the monument signs.

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and we do not have that answer tonight. Is that correct?

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I'm pulling up the original pla I'm just sending it over to this other computer. Excellent,

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excellent. And we can, um, ms. De

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garza, are you able to answer any of these questions?

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I, I do not know the answer to whether the maintenance was on the original repl.

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I do know that the maintenance is currently performed by the hoa

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on the monument sign. Well, they may be maintaining it for

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aesthetic purposes, but if you don't have record or we don't

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have record that they're supposed to maintain it, why are we trying to force them to maintain it?

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we're not. Okay.

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we're not forcing them. They're already doing it.

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but you want, I'm sorry. If they take over this

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lot for maintenance purposes, that means the hoa is gonna

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have to raise their fees in order to maintain this

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lot. That's an extra fee for them. You got,

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am I correct? But didn't he just say that they're already doing that? They

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are doing it now. I'm sorry.

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I have the original plat pulled up. Okay.

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um, I'm not sure how to get it on that screen

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for you. Um, but so the plat notes, uh,

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13 and 14 read as follows. 13 is all easements on private

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property shall be maintained by the property owner or his or her

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assigns. And 14 reads all amenity open space and drainage.

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lots shall be owned and maintained by the homeowners association. So,

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um, I'm not sure if that answers your question. I mean, this wasn't

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previously a open space lot, but that's the purpose of this

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repl to, uh, dedicate it as open space. Could you read that one more

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time please? So, 14 reads all amenity open space and drainage.

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lots shall be owned and maintained by the homeowners association.

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okay. It was in the original, so it was originally recorded. When was that plaque

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recorded? This original one,

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let me read through it.

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uh, 2021, uh, 29th of june.

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okay. Uh, 2021. What is that document number?

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the plaque number? Yeah, I'm looking on this page for it.

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yeah, these are, so the

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docket, if you wanna write it down, it is 20 21 11.

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that's not open. Just a order. Go ahead. 2021.

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1121. Mm-hmm . 11 27 61.

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thank you. Okay.

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lot two a. That's,

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does it state on the plaid that this lot is an open space or landscape

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lot on? So are you asking me or are you asking? I'm asking

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you. So currently as it stands, it is not open

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space, but the repl that is the, the purpose to,

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to dedicate it as such. Okay. So, mr. Garza,

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my question to you is, so this was

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not originally an open space or landscape lot,

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but right now you want to repl it so the hoa

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can have, uh, access and maintain it and be

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responsible for it. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay.

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thank you. That's not fair.

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alright, any further discussion

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from the diocese? I have a question for manny. All right, go for it.

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manny. When, uh, like when you're building a house, we have to go through inspections.

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we have to pull permits, uh, before we say that house is safe.

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sorry, before that, before we say that house is safe. So

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with, with land acquisition, uh, permits moving

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ground before we turn over, uh, land to hoa

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association, does the city do due diligence to make sure the developer's

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done everything they're supposed to do before we give that access? So this

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repl is just moving over that lot line. If you wanted to add any conditions onto

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an approval of this, um, item, that would be

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totally up to you guys. Okay.

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seems like we need to do some due diligence here to make sure the developer's done everything they're supposed to do

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dot their I's and cross their t's. Mm-hmm . I have

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a question. Is there any way that we can get legal to look at this

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and to determine, since there is some question, uh,

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and possibly, uh, table this item until our

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next meeting, until we can get an answer from, uh,

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legal on it? So I know that they are on the line, so if they have anything they'd like to

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share, they can now, but if you prefer to table this to a later meeting

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to have them look or postpone this to a later meeting to have them.

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I, I'm just saying that because we don't know there's, there's,

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you know, it's either, it's either owned gonna be owned by the hoa or it's gonna be

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owned by the city. I mean, basically that's what it is. And I don't think the city's going

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to own it. I would prefer that we get a legal

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opinion on it. Also, I would like to see and

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find out what is wrong with the monument. She said it

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was deteriorating or something like that damaged. And

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if that's the case, then possibly work into an agreement

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or something that the developer goes in and fixes it at their

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cost. Not the homeowner's cost. I mean, agreed.

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that's, that's to me a, a more fair way to go.

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so, so with that, with that said, uh, can legal

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weigh in on this or, uh, would you need time

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to, uh, research? Thank you. We,

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we wouldn't need time to look at it. Okay. Not prepare days.

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well, if it's okay, if it's okay, I'd like to make a motion that we table it. Uh,

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I I would like to hear any further discussion. She, before we, uh, entertain

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motions, she said she, she hear it or she has, she's not.

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yeah, she is ready. Right? Yeah. No, no. She said, she said she would need time to

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research it. Research it. Uh, I would like the city to

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investigate before we transfer land over to an hoa make sure the developer's done everything they're supposed to

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do before the hoa inherits costs should have been done by the developer.

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right. I agree.

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there's probably also property tax associated with it. If it's gonna be a new lot. I,

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I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. Would there be property tax associated with it? If it's a new lot, use

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the mic please. Yes. . Would there also be property tax associated with it if it's moved

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to a new lot? That would be on the hoa to pay? Yes,

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it should. If you're gonna replant it,

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it'll have a new, uh, id number. Mm-hmm . You should have a new id number. A lot

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number, the county lot number. There is someone here that works with the county that could tell us that, but I won't

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embarrass him or anything. So, yes.

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uh, I would say that pending

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legal's opinion,

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we probably should not make a decision on this tonight. Right.

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I agree. I agree. So with that said, uh,

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vice chair works. You wanted to make a motion to table? Yes. And

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when would you like to revisit this? At our next

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meeting? Which is what? Uh, the regular meeting? Uh,

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yes. Okay. I don't, I don't, uh, howard

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could we, could we look at it for the 20th meeting?

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would is that too soon?

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shouldn't this be a regular meeting? Yeah, let's do regular meeting, I think. No,

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I think it would be better if it were at the regular may meeting. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. What I

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mean, what's ever easiest for the staff and everything and next regular meeting

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is the fifth may

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god, I don't know. The fifth. All right. So

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you're making motion to table until until may 5th. May 5th second. Did we need

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a motion for that language? I spoke about? Uh, not necessarily.

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we need to wait on legal's decision. Okay.

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I'll second that. Motion to table item six

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one until may 5th, 2026. Regular meeting.

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corey actually seconded it.

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all right. I have a motion by vice chair wetz and commissioner

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sherrod to table until may 5th. Item 6.1,

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pending legal's opinion on this matter.

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is there any discussion on the motion? Are we gonna look at our processes

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on when we have these certain things or certain requests that developer,

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we require the developer to do their due diligence? I,

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depending on legal's opinion, I think that may be something that we need to

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look at incorporating into our udc. Okay. And

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then can we also include some type of notification to

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residents when we have certain things like this? Hmm.

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I don't think we need, yes.

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I'm, I'm going to say yes on something like this. It makes sense.

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but if you are repl repl, for example, the

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previous item mm-hmm . Where they're changing it from two and two to

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1.5 and 2.5 and they own, own both of the lots and

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they're not developed right. Then it really doesn't make sense to have

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staff spend time and money to send out notice

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to those property owners who are the people asking for the replay.

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so I think it's conditional. Okay. And I don't want to make a hard and fast

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rule that applies to everyone and we're just wasting money and time.

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okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. So yes, I think we need to

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consider it. Yeah. But I think it needs more refinement than,

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you know, 30 seconds of discussion here. That makes sense. Okay.

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alright. Any other discussion on the motion? Uh, I just want to say thank you

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for the people that came out, uh, for public comment. Appreciate it.

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add one more thing. Can I add something else? Yes. I would like to

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recommend that in the process of waiting for legal to come back to us on

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the, uh, may meeting, that the, um, developer

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takes the time to take care of these, some of these issues with that lot that

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they, they have that opportunity and I would

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encourage them to do so, but that's their choice.

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that's a recommendation. .

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thank you judge. Alright. Is there any further comment

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on this motion? Then I'll call for vote.

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all in favor of tabling until five, may, 2026 say

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aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? Same sign. Motion to

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table pass. Seven zero. Thank

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00:36:28,685 --> 00:36:32,435
you for coming out and speaking. Next

461
00:36:33,025 --> 00:36:36,985
up, item 6.2, conduct a public hearing and

462
00:36:37,405 --> 00:36:41,065
consider possible action on the penske huro. Preliminary plat 35.800

463
00:36:42,855 --> 00:36:46,765
acres, more or less of land for total. Lots to light industrial and to open

464
00:36:47,045 --> 00:36:50,355
space drainage located on innovation boulevard lard.

465
00:36:55,235 --> 00:36:58,545
welcome minister commissioners, manny once again. Uh, so

466
00:36:59,665 --> 00:37:02,285
penske preliminary plat is a

467
00:37:03,685 --> 00:37:07,155
proposed, uh, at tract land consisting of four total lots,

468
00:37:07,705 --> 00:37:11,245
uh, two light industrial and two open space drainage

469
00:37:11,955 --> 00:37:15,765
lots. It is located along innovation boulevard just

470
00:37:16,045 --> 00:37:20,025
south of the, uh, texas state technical college. Uh,

471
00:37:20,545 --> 00:37:24,165
so the penske, pud and annexation took place in august, 2024.

472
00:37:25,695 --> 00:37:29,365
it'll be a two phase project with phase one resulting

473
00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:33,295
in a car dealership. And phase two is still conceptual.

474
00:37:35,745 --> 00:37:39,645
so as I mentioned earlier to the north, we have texas state technical

475
00:37:40,205 --> 00:37:43,305
college, um, to the east across,

476
00:37:44,225 --> 00:37:48,005
um, innovation or county road 1 0 8. We have some light industrial

477
00:37:48,555 --> 00:37:52,505
land that's already been developed to the south. Uh, we have, uh, future

478
00:37:53,155 --> 00:37:56,965
development. Uh, it'll be b two, general commercial and to the west

479
00:37:57,305 --> 00:38:00,985
is, uh, highway one 30. Uh, the par, uh, as part of the

480
00:38:01,535 --> 00:38:05,345
annexation and pud, it came in with a base zoning of

481
00:38:05,645 --> 00:38:09,545
b two. So here is

482
00:38:09,865 --> 00:38:13,825
the preliminary plat for you guys, and it is also in your packet. You'll

483
00:38:14,245 --> 00:38:16,365
notice that, uh, north is to the right,

484
00:38:24,225 --> 00:38:26,045
let yep. .

485
00:38:32,505 --> 00:38:36,405
and so staff has reviewed this, uh, to the standards outlined

486
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:40,365
in the udc, uh, as well as those outlined in the, uh, pud

487
00:38:40,765 --> 00:38:44,465
or planned unit development that was established along with the annexation. Um,

488
00:38:44,915 --> 00:38:48,755
they did waive the shot clock bill and staff recommends approval. Okay.

489
00:38:51,945 --> 00:38:55,245
all right. And, uh, is the applicant present?

490
00:38:57,425 --> 00:39:01,325
yes. Excellent. Okay. So if we have any questions there we

491
00:39:01,445 --> 00:39:05,235
go. With that, I will open it up to discussion from

492
00:39:05,525 --> 00:39:08,845
the dais. Hey, manny, what's the phase two conceptual?

493
00:39:10,105 --> 00:39:12,875
what's the, any probability of what's going in there? Possibility?

494
00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:18,685
I just know that it's conceptual, but if they'd like to come up and speak or

495
00:39:18,985 --> 00:39:22,085
I'm not sure if they are aware. They don't know.

496
00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:27,095
okay. That's fine. Okay. . All right. We're

497
00:39:27,445 --> 00:39:28,965
still thinking about it. Looks good.

498
00:39:33,225 --> 00:39:37,165
no data center, right? ? I

499
00:39:37,635 --> 00:39:39,205
said I know what she said.

500
00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:45,405
okay. , any other comments, discussion from the diet

501
00:39:45,975 --> 00:39:49,905
after that? No. Nope. I think I covered it.

502
00:39:51,245 --> 00:39:52,935
I think they read my mind. Right.

503
00:39:55,505 --> 00:39:59,145
all right. With that then I will entertain a motion for

504
00:39:59,665 --> 00:40:02,025
6.2. I'll move. We accept 6.2.

505
00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:07,945
alright, as written, uh, do

506
00:40:08,165 --> 00:40:12,065
you, before we get onto a second, are you okay with the

507
00:40:12,285 --> 00:40:16,265
condition that the license agreement is finalized prior to recordation? Yes. As,

508
00:40:16,705 --> 00:40:20,685
as in the staff notes? Yes, absolutely. Okay. Those right aways have been established 'cause we

509
00:40:20,765 --> 00:40:24,605
were talking about that during the sip. So we have all the right aways where

510
00:40:24,905 --> 00:40:28,285
we were talking about putting our lines and everything in. I think legal might have a comment.

511
00:40:29,145 --> 00:40:32,465
ah, legal. Yes. Yes. Uh, uh,

512
00:40:33,485 --> 00:40:37,315
chairman, um, please open your public hearing and ask if anyone is wanting

513
00:40:37,805 --> 00:40:41,505
to speak on the matter. You are correct. Thank you for catching that. Yes.

514
00:40:41,875 --> 00:40:42,805
this is a public hearing,

515
00:40:46,665 --> 00:40:50,525
so I'm going to withdraw your motion. Yes, please do. Uh, this is

516
00:40:50,725 --> 00:40:53,715
a public hearing, so I will open the public hearing on this item

517
00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:58,625
at 7:41 pm is

518
00:40:58,845 --> 00:41:02,705
there anyone who wishes to speak to the

519
00:41:03,025 --> 00:41:05,075
penske preliminary plat item?

520
00:41:07,425 --> 00:41:10,045
please come up and, uh, state your name and address.

521
00:41:12,985 --> 00:41:16,975
uh, my name is catherine meek. My address is 1 0 8 david drive.

522
00:41:18,065 --> 00:41:21,785
and I realize that my questions cannot go

523
00:41:22,405 --> 00:41:26,245
answered, but on the agenda, I noticed this item is a consideration of

524
00:41:26,445 --> 00:41:29,695
a 35,000 acre piece of continuous

525
00:41:30,475 --> 00:41:34,275
land. And that what's that, uh, act, actually this

526
00:41:34,585 --> 00:41:38,525
is, uh, this is public hearing, so there is a little back and forth

527
00:41:38,685 --> 00:41:40,605
allowed, and I'll correct you. It is 35.800

528
00:41:43,575 --> 00:41:47,425
acres. Okay. Not 35, not okay. 35. Got

529
00:41:47,645 --> 00:41:51,305
you. Uh, alright. Thank you so much. Um, and

530
00:41:51,785 --> 00:41:55,625
as I understand it, the consideration is for light industrial and seeing

531
00:41:56,045 --> 00:41:59,825
what the applicable uses are. Correct? Uh, actually this is

532
00:42:00,445 --> 00:42:04,305
a, this is zoned a, uh, commercial. B two is

533
00:42:04,525 --> 00:42:08,365
the commercial zoning. So sales, uh, retail, that sort

534
00:42:08,645 --> 00:42:11,805
of, that sort of thing could also include some services,

535
00:42:13,105 --> 00:42:16,835
uh, across the street is light industrial. Okay.

536
00:42:17,385 --> 00:42:21,225
got you. Alright. That is what I wanted to know and I'm, I'm

537
00:42:21,445 --> 00:42:25,165
glad that I was able to actually get those questions answered. Thank you so much. Not a problem. Thank

538
00:42:25,485 --> 00:42:29,365
you. Mm-hmm . Alright. Is there anyone else to speak

539
00:42:30,785 --> 00:42:33,305
on the public hearing for item 6.2?

540
00:42:36,305 --> 00:42:40,305
all right. Seeing none, I will close the public hearing at

541
00:42:40,615 --> 00:42:44,535
7:43 pm and gavel.

542
00:42:45,175 --> 00:42:48,985
there we go. Now

543
00:42:49,485 --> 00:42:53,115
I will take, take my motion now. Take your motion. Okay.

544
00:42:53,605 --> 00:42:57,525
I move to accept it with the, with the stipulations that steady staff has placed on it.

545
00:42:57,715 --> 00:43:00,485
alright. Uh, do I have a second? A second.

546
00:43:01,955 --> 00:43:04,825
okay. So we have of,

547
00:43:07,455 --> 00:43:11,185
sorry, making notes here. We have a motion by a commissioner de delay and

548
00:43:11,485 --> 00:43:15,025
a second by commissioner kana kenard to

549
00:43:15,505 --> 00:43:18,355
accept with the staff note.

550
00:43:20,025 --> 00:43:21,005
any discussion on the motion?

551
00:43:24,155 --> 00:43:27,585
hearing none, I'll call for vote. All in favor say aye.

552
00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:32,105
aye. Aye. All opposed? Same sign. Motion passes.

553
00:43:32,775 --> 00:43:36,425
seven zero. Next is item 6.3

554
00:43:37,485 --> 00:43:41,425
consideration impossible action on the pensky huro final plat, 35.800

555
00:43:43,975 --> 00:43:47,905
acres, more or less of land four total lots, two light industrial and

556
00:43:48,125 --> 00:43:50,955
two open space drainage located on innovation boulevard.

557
00:43:57,745 --> 00:44:01,315
and if this seems familiar, it should. Yeah.

558
00:44:03,105 --> 00:44:06,975
uh, so before I begin

559
00:44:07,325 --> 00:44:10,985
this, and to address your question about the zoning, and

560
00:44:11,485 --> 00:44:15,345
I do apologize as that was a typo on my end. I have pulled

561
00:44:15,765 --> 00:44:19,745
that, uh, ppud document back and

562
00:44:20,105 --> 00:44:23,985
the base base zoning is uhi light. It

563
00:44:24,205 --> 00:44:27,865
is, it is li so I do apologize about that. Um,

564
00:44:30,115 --> 00:44:33,835
okay. Light industry. So with that said,

565
00:44:35,385 --> 00:44:39,105
um, I would like to

566
00:44:40,285 --> 00:44:44,045
reconsider 6.2. Yes. I agree.

567
00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:48,605
I don't have to, since we were provided that it

568
00:44:49,045 --> 00:44:52,765
was a commercial zoning, it is not, it is

569
00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:57,025
actually light industrial. I would like to reconsider 6.2.

570
00:44:58,275 --> 00:45:02,105
yeah, do that. Move, move. Second vote for the reconsideration. Yep.

571
00:45:02,625 --> 00:45:06,325
if it's in favor, then you can open it and go ahead. Okay. So then I, I'll move that. We

572
00:45:06,725 --> 00:45:10,685
reconsider 6.2 based on the okay. Well I, I was moving. You want to second?

573
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:14,855
I'll second it all. We're gonna fight. We'll, we'll fight. We'll

574
00:45:15,205 --> 00:45:19,125
fight. No fighting. Oh, come on. . Just remember I

575
00:45:19,245 --> 00:45:22,645
have a gavel. That's true. You do carry the hammer

576
00:45:23,305 --> 00:45:26,875
nos on her head. Alright.

577
00:45:27,365 --> 00:45:31,005
all right. Reconsideration. Making notes.

578
00:45:31,785 --> 00:45:34,725
all right. So, uh, any discussion on the motion to reconsider?

579
00:45:36,025 --> 00:45:39,925
no. All right. Hearing none, I will call for vote.

580
00:45:40,105 --> 00:45:44,065
all in favor of reconsidering 6.2. Say aye. Aye. Aye.

581
00:45:44,745 --> 00:45:48,605
all opposed? Same sign. Motion to reconsider passes.

582
00:45:48,975 --> 00:45:51,525
seven zero. All right. Back to 6.2.

583
00:45:55,265 --> 00:45:57,845
all right. So to correct the record,

584
00:46:00,025 --> 00:46:03,645
the zoning on this particular item is light industrial,

585
00:46:04,575 --> 00:46:08,415
which changes some of the uses available to it. Sales

586
00:46:09,105 --> 00:46:12,185
can still be conducted there as part of the light industrial zoning.

587
00:46:13,305 --> 00:46:17,205
uh, it's a more well unsurprisingly industrial

588
00:46:20,225 --> 00:46:22,795
use than selling

589
00:46:24,445 --> 00:46:28,345
anything else. So hopefully that answers the

590
00:46:28,765 --> 00:46:32,685
questions. And with that, I

591
00:46:32,805 --> 00:46:35,355
will open it up to discussion from the dais.

592
00:46:38,445 --> 00:46:41,355
I have no comments. Alright. Hearing none.

593
00:46:43,725 --> 00:46:47,205
I will, we don't have to reopen the public hearing,

594
00:46:48,035 --> 00:46:51,935
correct? No. Okay. Yep. Could you

595
00:46:52,475 --> 00:46:56,375
sit inky? Yeah, you do. Do do we have to,

596
00:46:56,795 --> 00:47:00,255
we have to re reopen the public hearing? No. Is that a yes?

597
00:47:01,835 --> 00:47:05,835
6.3 says consideration and possible action not public hearing. No.

598
00:47:06,075 --> 00:47:09,295
six two. Six two. We're six two. We're back on six two because yeah.

599
00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:13,485
business legal says yes. Legal says yes. Okay. Then

600
00:47:14,435 --> 00:47:17,195
we will reopen the public hearing on item 6.2

601
00:47:19,595 --> 00:47:21,385
at 7:47 pm

602
00:47:25,715 --> 00:47:28,455
is there anyone who wishes to speak on this item?

603
00:47:29,945 --> 00:47:33,775
yeah, that one in the back. Oh, one in the back. All

604
00:47:33,995 --> 00:47:33,995
right.

605
00:47:40,705 --> 00:47:44,015
yeah. Yeah. My name's jeremy carter. I live at 1 0 2

606
00:47:45,225 --> 00:47:48,315
comb road. Um, I didn't come here to speak on this topic,

607
00:47:49,335 --> 00:47:53,205
but I urge you to consider what they are going

608
00:47:53,555 --> 00:47:57,275
to produce there as opposed to what kind of

609
00:47:57,895 --> 00:48:01,355
sustainability impacts, right? Like, grow responsibly and sustainably

610
00:48:02,375 --> 00:48:04,795
and what it's gonna do for, not necessarily

611
00:48:06,655 --> 00:48:10,195
tax incentives to the city, but what it's also gonna do to the environment.

612
00:48:11,415 --> 00:48:14,585
um, and that's all I have to say about that. Alright. Thank you.

613
00:48:22,215 --> 00:48:25,545
alright. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak on this item?

614
00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:32,005
all right. Seeing no one, I will close the public hearing at

615
00:48:32,475 --> 00:48:35,035
7 48 gavel

616
00:48:37,005 --> 00:48:39,335
and open it up for motion from

617
00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:41,085
po.

618
00:48:46,465 --> 00:48:50,145
I will, I'll make the motion again. Alright. As, as stated with the city's

619
00:48:50,595 --> 00:48:54,485
staff comments. Okay. So

620
00:48:54,705 --> 00:48:58,465
we have a motion by commissioner de delay and I'll second.

621
00:48:59,255 --> 00:49:03,125
alright. Consider industrial and

622
00:49:03,905 --> 00:49:06,945
a second by commissioner hall. I don't think it was either, but that's

623
00:49:08,045 --> 00:49:10,185
all right. Is there any discussion on the motion?

624
00:49:12,765 --> 00:49:16,585
are we sure that just the light industrial covers a car lot? Figured that'd

625
00:49:16,785 --> 00:49:20,465
be commercial. Uh, the pud covers the automotive

626
00:49:21,105 --> 00:49:24,825
dealership use the planned unit development. Okay. So somebody can't

627
00:49:25,145 --> 00:49:28,965
come in sideways and say, oh, it's light industrial, so I wanna put, try

628
00:49:29,185 --> 00:49:32,815
to pull heavy industry in there. Nope. Yeah, that'll,

629
00:49:34,125 --> 00:49:37,965
the pud states that it, it'll be

630
00:49:38,205 --> 00:49:42,105
the base ho uh, base zoning of light industrial. So what's allowed in

631
00:49:42,435 --> 00:49:46,365
light industrial, but it would have to be an amendment to the pud in order to

632
00:49:46,645 --> 00:49:50,625
try to pull in some sort of heavy industrial. Anything that's not covered in the pud

633
00:49:51,165 --> 00:49:55,105
as stated currently, it would be an amendment. Just wanna make sure

634
00:49:55,185 --> 00:49:58,025
future has a good citizen that comes in there that's gonna play ball.

635
00:50:01,445 --> 00:50:05,105
um, if I'm correct, and I don't have the udc memorized,

636
00:50:05,545 --> 00:50:09,025
that's kind of a large document. Mm-hmm . , uh, light, light industrial

637
00:50:09,775 --> 00:50:13,065
does allow for things like automotive service,

638
00:50:13,795 --> 00:50:16,405
large vehicle service. Yeah. Uh, repair.

639
00:50:17,805 --> 00:50:21,335
and if I'm not mistaken, it does include

640
00:50:22,655 --> 00:50:23,315
some sales.

641
00:50:28,245 --> 00:50:30,305
I am looking at the chart right now. Um,

642
00:50:32,545 --> 00:50:35,485
it sales associated with industrial whatever, it's,

643
00:50:37,275 --> 00:50:40,775
it does permit some, some sales.

644
00:50:41,525 --> 00:50:45,055
okay. That's what I thought, but I just wanted to

645
00:50:45,805 --> 00:50:49,695
confirm. Okay. So yes, it is a

646
00:50:53,405 --> 00:50:56,975
permitted use then. Yeah. All right.

647
00:50:58,115 --> 00:51:01,015
so, uh, any further discussion on the motion,

648
00:51:03,765 --> 00:51:07,635
then I will call for vote. All in favor of 6.2

649
00:51:08,805 --> 00:51:12,515
with staff notes say aye. Aye. Aye.

650
00:51:12,955 --> 00:51:16,855
aye. All opposed? Same sign. Motion passes.

651
00:51:17,385 --> 00:51:20,365
seven zero. Okay.

652
00:51:28,795 --> 00:51:32,325
all right. And I was just handed a note. Uh, this meeting

653
00:51:33,115 --> 00:51:36,415
is currently being simulcast in the executive conference room

654
00:51:37,535 --> 00:51:40,975
upstairs. If the standing room only

655
00:51:41,745 --> 00:51:45,695
folks would like to have a seat, they can watch it on the screen up there.

656
00:51:46,435 --> 00:51:49,935
so we have the lobby and the executive conference room upstairs.

657
00:51:50,905 --> 00:51:54,855
thank you. All right. Next is 6.3

658
00:51:55,695 --> 00:51:59,245
consideration and possible action on the penske huddle. Final plat

659
00:51:59,795 --> 00:52:03,615
35.800 acres, more or less of land

660
00:52:03,855 --> 00:52:07,365
four total lots, two light industrial, and two open space drainage located

661
00:52:08,195 --> 00:52:08,855
on innovation boulevard.

662
00:52:15,595 --> 00:52:19,355
so this is the same spiel as

663
00:52:19,885 --> 00:52:23,575
last time, uh, for total. Lots to light industrial

664
00:52:24,115 --> 00:52:27,735
to, uh, drainage. Uh, this is just procedural

665
00:52:28,435 --> 00:52:32,315
to move the project along. We need the preliminary and the final plat approved. So that's

666
00:52:32,735 --> 00:52:36,535
why they're both here in front of you guys tonight. As stated, uh, this is

667
00:52:36,855 --> 00:52:40,715
a pud and annexation that, um, came in in august, 2024.

668
00:52:42,555 --> 00:52:46,265
and it'll be a two phase project. Phase one being that car dealership phase

669
00:52:46,755 --> 00:52:48,595
two conceptual. Um,

670
00:52:52,235 --> 00:52:55,935
the plant is also dedicating, uh, 1.5 acres for the future

671
00:52:56,325 --> 00:53:00,175
expansion of, uh, schneider boulevard in accordance with the master

672
00:53:00,855 --> 00:53:04,815
mobility plan. And here is that final plat for

673
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:05,135
you guys.

674
00:53:12,065 --> 00:53:15,205
who's gonna pay for that road developer?

675
00:53:17,035 --> 00:53:20,855
we will. Uh, okay. They're dedicating the right way, but we'll

676
00:53:21,095 --> 00:53:24,855
pay for it. Okay. Just wanna know. At least

677
00:53:25,165 --> 00:53:29,115
I believe so. It might, there might be a condition in the pod or the development agreement that

678
00:53:29,405 --> 00:53:33,265
says otherwise. Yeah. So the right of way's all clear then right of way is

679
00:53:33,655 --> 00:53:37,525
going to be ours. Okay. And it looks like

680
00:53:37,975 --> 00:53:41,945
their proposed road aligns with schneider boulevard. That's

681
00:53:42,365 --> 00:53:44,745
a good thing. . Yes. Yes.

682
00:53:48,995 --> 00:53:52,555
alright. Uh, any other discussion from the dais?

683
00:53:53,435 --> 00:53:57,385
this does not have a public hearing. Yes. I see there is a lot.

684
00:53:57,665 --> 00:54:00,395
one open space. Who's going to maintain that?

685
00:54:02,595 --> 00:54:06,485
yeah. So let me pull up

686
00:54:06,685 --> 00:54:10,385
those, uh, plat notes. But typically it'll fall under the

687
00:54:11,085 --> 00:54:13,445
property owner. But we can confirm that for you.

688
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:24,005
yes. All right. We have an answer.

689
00:54:26,745 --> 00:54:30,285
the text is too small. I can't see it. It's too small. Um, it will,

690
00:54:31,065 --> 00:54:34,745
the, um, open space will stay with, I'm sorry, please. Oh, amy chavez

691
00:54:35,445 --> 00:54:39,205
with p dawson engineers, uh, engineer of record. The open space

692
00:54:39,485 --> 00:54:43,485
will stay with the developer. Uh, they will own the property and they will maintain the property

693
00:54:44,225 --> 00:54:47,665
as well as the detention pond lot, which is off the screen. But number

694
00:54:48,365 --> 00:54:51,245
17, thank you. The intent. Thank you. Okay. 17.

695
00:54:55,105 --> 00:54:59,005
uh, did I hear that was t note 17? Mm-hmm . 17.

696
00:55:02,935 --> 00:55:05,405
there we go. Yep. That's what it says.

697
00:55:10,795 --> 00:55:13,695
okay. Alright. Any other discussion?

698
00:55:17,675 --> 00:55:21,595
then? I will entertain a motion on 6.3. I'll make a motion that

699
00:55:21,885 --> 00:55:24,705
we accept, uh, approve 6.3 as written second.

700
00:55:26,715 --> 00:55:30,645
alright. I have a motion by vice chair wetz and a

701
00:55:30,765 --> 00:55:34,725
second by commissioner da. On any discussion on the motion.

702
00:55:38,195 --> 00:55:41,905
hearing none, I will call for vote. All in favor say aye.

703
00:55:42,865 --> 00:55:46,705
aye. All opposed? Same sign. Motion passes.

704
00:55:47,535 --> 00:55:51,195
seven zero. Next

705
00:55:51,665 --> 00:55:55,525
is 6.40 what we've

706
00:55:55,765 --> 00:55:59,405
been all waiting for, public hearing consideration and possible action on the

707
00:55:59,825 --> 00:56:03,695
zydeco data center, formerly known as upper

708
00:56:04,395 --> 00:56:08,285
schmitz creek, pud, future land use map amendment.

709
00:56:12,565 --> 00:56:16,105
so the way this typically goes, uh, is we will have a presentation

710
00:56:16,845 --> 00:56:20,455
by staff and or the, uh, applicant.

711
00:56:21,925 --> 00:56:25,485
and then we will follow that up immediately with public hearing

712
00:56:26,445 --> 00:56:30,265
comments. Uh, given that there are so many people here who

713
00:56:30,885 --> 00:56:34,785
probably want to speak, I do have a stack of papers. Uh,

714
00:56:35,015 --> 00:56:38,995
given that there are so many people, I would ask that if someone

715
00:56:39,625 --> 00:56:43,185
has covered your points, that we

716
00:56:43,695 --> 00:56:47,565
don't, uh, belabor the minutia .

717
00:56:48,505 --> 00:56:52,285
if, if that, if you guys are understanding what I'm saying, I want

718
00:56:52,525 --> 00:56:56,445
everybody in here who wants to speak to have an opportunity to speak

719
00:56:57,675 --> 00:57:00,125
tonight. Not tomorrow morning, .

720
00:57:01,995 --> 00:57:05,485
okay. So if we can just kind of agree on that,

721
00:57:06,405 --> 00:57:10,225
I think we'll, we'll move along just fine. And we'll get through all of this. You

722
00:57:10,445 --> 00:57:14,265
can burn your selection bag. , no sleeping bags required? Yes.

723
00:57:14,625 --> 00:57:18,245
yes. All right. So with that, let's begin on 6.4.

724
00:57:19,435 --> 00:57:23,045
okay. Thank you, mr. Chair. My name is howard konz. I am the director of development

725
00:57:23,645 --> 00:57:27,645
services. For the record, uh, before I get started, I do wanna take care of a couple

726
00:57:27,765 --> 00:57:31,765
of, uh, housekeeping notes. Um, it's been said before, but I'm

727
00:57:31,965 --> 00:57:35,805
gonna hit it again. I don't want anybody to be lost on this. Tonight is april the seventh, and we are opening a public hearing

728
00:57:36,085 --> 00:57:38,685
related to this item. This item is 6.4.

729
00:57:40,105 --> 00:57:44,085
the next item on the agenda is 6.5, and they are related to one another. I

730
00:57:44,205 --> 00:57:47,885
will try and stay on task as best I can. Sometimes I slip between the two

731
00:57:48,285 --> 00:57:52,165
'cause they are related, but I'll try and try and stay on point. Uh, tonight the

732
00:57:52,325 --> 00:57:55,665
public hearing will open. It will not be closed. We will, um,

733
00:57:56,835 --> 00:58:00,165
keep the public hearing open until april the 20th.

734
00:58:01,505 --> 00:58:05,285
on april the 20th, we will reconvene and pick up this item

735
00:58:05,575 --> 00:58:09,485
again for the purpose of making the recommendation that pursuant

736
00:58:10,005 --> 00:58:13,985
to state law needs to go forward to the mayor and council. The

737
00:58:14,325 --> 00:58:18,125
city council will make the ultimate decision at their regular may meeting,

738
00:58:18,545 --> 00:58:22,405
may the seventh, um, that where there will be a second public

739
00:58:22,805 --> 00:58:26,625
hearing. So first public hearing will open this evening,

740
00:58:26,835 --> 00:58:30,355
april 7th. That will remain open until april the 20th, where

741
00:58:31,085 --> 00:58:34,945
you will make your motion and your decision between the seventh and the

742
00:58:35,225 --> 00:58:38,805
20th, you are free to deliberate amongst yourselves on your own. Um,

743
00:58:39,235 --> 00:58:43,065
we'll come back on the 20th. You'll make your motion, you'll make your recommendation. The public hearing will close,

744
00:58:43,285 --> 00:58:47,005
and then we'll go to the seventh of where the mayor and council will make the final decision. So

745
00:58:47,405 --> 00:58:50,665
if anybody's lost on that, feel free to email me or call me or ask me about it.

746
00:58:51,565 --> 00:58:55,285
um, but without further ado, we're gonna talk a little bit about this. Um,

747
00:58:55,655 --> 00:58:59,475
this first request is a request to amend

748
00:59:00,045 --> 00:59:03,785
the city's future land use map. The amendment to the future land

749
00:59:04,065 --> 00:59:07,295
use map is not the assignment of zoning. That's the next item.

750
00:59:08,535 --> 00:59:11,885
this is an important step though,

751
00:59:13,095 --> 00:59:16,945
because the guiding document that should form the foundation

752
00:59:17,385 --> 00:59:21,205
of decision making for staff and for our boards and commissions and for

753
00:59:21,405 --> 00:59:24,955
our city council is our comprehensive plan. Comprehensive plan

754
00:59:25,525 --> 00:59:29,505
entitled soar 2040, uh, fi, uh, formerly adopted in

755
00:59:30,225 --> 00:59:34,205
the end of 22, I believe, but we, it's been in place for a couple

756
00:59:34,285 --> 00:59:38,205
of years now. Um, within that comprehensive plan is a map, the future

757
00:59:38,405 --> 00:59:42,005
land use map. The future land use map calls out, um, designations

758
00:59:43,425 --> 00:59:47,035
for certain classes and categories of land uses.

759
00:59:47,665 --> 00:59:51,455
it does not assign zoning either. So being

760
00:59:51,805 --> 00:59:55,525
that this guiding document is so integral to the decision making

761
00:59:55,845 --> 00:59:59,155
process, if a request is incongruent

762
01:00:00,235 --> 01:00:04,065
with the tenants of the comprehensive plan and specifically the future land use map,

763
01:00:04,515 --> 01:00:08,425
then that request should not be considered favorably. So

764
01:00:08,645 --> 01:00:12,645
tonight the applicant has come forward realizing that the future land use map needs

765
01:00:12,925 --> 01:00:16,805
to be amended before that their intended final use could be

766
01:00:17,245 --> 01:00:21,045
considered favorably for that same site. That's why there's two

767
01:00:21,525 --> 01:00:24,605
separate applications that look the same, but function differently.

768
01:00:25,785 --> 01:00:29,245
so first we're talking about the future land use map amendment.

769
01:00:29,905 --> 01:00:33,765
the site itself is located on the southeast corner of edge schmidt boulevard

770
01:00:34,165 --> 01:00:38,125
and lier loop. It is roughly 40 acres, somewhere in the neighborhood

771
01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:42,105
of about 800 feet, east to west, and a little over 2000

772
01:00:42,835 --> 01:00:46,765
feet north to south. I've included a couple of maps on the screen

773
01:00:46,925 --> 01:00:50,835
there. There's a larger vicinity map on the left, and I've tried to call

774
01:00:51,125 --> 01:00:54,805
out some landmarks that we might know. So we've got some, um, residential subdivisions

775
01:00:55,555 --> 01:00:59,285
that are in the immediate vicinity. Cottonwood estates is north and west

776
01:00:59,985 --> 01:01:03,805
hu of squares to the east and northeast. Uh, emory estates is to the west and southwest.

777
01:01:06,785 --> 01:01:10,785
oh, correction. Oh, you're right. It is my bad. Sorry about that. Um,

778
01:01:12,465 --> 01:01:16,425
um, I'm, some of these are from the actual subdivision plats, not the dba on the sign out

779
01:01:16,645 --> 01:01:20,045
front. My, my apologies I pulled from the records I didn't pull from the street. But anyway,

780
01:01:20,825 --> 01:01:24,625
we know where we're at for that point. Um, next is a, is

781
01:01:24,845 --> 01:01:28,065
an insert of the current future land use map.

782
01:01:29,385 --> 01:01:33,085
and, um, you'll notice that the site itself is in the center outlined in green,

783
01:01:33,665 --> 01:01:37,425
um, and colored somewhat the lighter brown, the

784
01:01:37,805 --> 01:01:41,525
lavender or purple that's on the far west side of this map is the employment

785
01:01:42,125 --> 01:01:46,045
center designation within the comprehensive plan. Um, next down

786
01:01:46,285 --> 01:01:50,105
on the left side is suburban subdivision, and that's in the bright yellow. And

787
01:01:50,325 --> 01:01:53,845
those are typically the lower density single family detached type residential

788
01:01:54,555 --> 01:01:58,325
uses, whether it's fee simple and owner occupied or rental. The ownership arrangement's

789
01:01:59,005 --> 01:02:02,805
not important here. The land use is what we're talking about right, with this item.

790
01:02:03,505 --> 01:02:07,345
and then, uh, lower left, I pointed out corridor commercial, that's the, the garnet

791
01:02:07,785 --> 01:02:11,605
or the barn red and whatever it looks like on your screen. Um, corridor commercial

792
01:02:12,225 --> 01:02:16,125
is a, um, I mean, really it's used for all sorts

793
01:02:16,365 --> 01:02:19,995
of goods and services and, uh, point of service sales that are on site. Um, typically

794
01:02:21,055 --> 01:02:24,845
those that are on, uh, arterial arterials and thoroughfare,

795
01:02:25,655 --> 01:02:29,325
other auto oriented type businesses or the type of businesses that you need to reach by automobile.

796
01:02:30,705 --> 01:02:34,365
if we move to the right side of this, map com, uh, community activity center is the bright

797
01:02:34,785 --> 01:02:38,685
red sections. Um, if you go through the text of the future land use

798
01:02:38,885 --> 01:02:42,365
map, you'll see that there's a host of uses, but it's really encourages

799
01:02:43,625 --> 01:02:47,265
onsite live work play mix of uses, um, at

800
01:02:47,725 --> 01:02:51,495
somewhat of a higher density than you would expect from an exurban community. Civic

801
01:02:51,955 --> 01:02:55,765
uses are on here, that's the blue, and we all know that's the elementary and the middle school that are, that

802
01:02:56,205 --> 01:02:59,945
are up there off of exchange. And then this site, um, is

803
01:03:00,275 --> 01:03:03,085
currently designated in the future land use map as multifamily.

804
01:03:06,155 --> 01:03:09,865
move to the next slide. Here's a aerial photo of today. You can see, uh,

805
01:03:10,225 --> 01:03:13,485
the tighter squares are, uh, the existing

806
01:03:15,235 --> 01:03:18,885
land use pattern, a stable single family detached residential that's been

807
01:03:19,355 --> 01:03:23,145
established west, east, northeast, northwest. On

808
01:03:23,365 --> 01:03:27,005
the southwest side of the development site, across edge schmidt boulevard

809
01:03:27,625 --> 01:03:31,285
is the, uh, encore substation for electricity, uh, distribution

810
01:03:31,745 --> 01:03:35,645
to, uh, this specific area. The parcel itself in question

811
01:03:35,825 --> 01:03:39,785
is actually vacant and undeveloped. It's largely flat grassland. Um,

812
01:03:40,105 --> 01:03:43,725
you can see from one side to the other, despite the fact that it's 800 feet wide and about 2000

813
01:03:44,205 --> 01:03:48,195
feet long. Um, additionally, there's development sites to the south, that same

814
01:03:48,485 --> 01:03:52,405
land use pattern. There's a photograph taken

815
01:03:52,915 --> 01:03:56,885
from, uh, edgemont northbound the, the right side of the road as you're going north.

816
01:03:57,465 --> 01:04:01,325
um, and this is looking back towards the southeast at the apartments that are at

817
01:04:01,485 --> 01:04:04,605
the, what's currently the far western end of west live oak street.

818
01:04:06,505 --> 01:04:10,295
um, from that same spot rotating, uh, to the left about,

819
01:04:10,785 --> 01:04:14,525
uh, 90 degrees. This is looking northeast from that, uh, same vantage.

820
01:04:14,945 --> 01:04:18,365
and you can see some of the residential rooftops that are, um,

821
01:04:19,085 --> 01:04:23,005
adjacent to this site. Uh, so it gives you an idea of the scale because those,

822
01:04:23,285 --> 01:04:27,085
those homes exist right at the property border of the subject site and the

823
01:04:27,525 --> 01:04:31,205
existing, um, residential. So, uh, the current classification

824
01:04:31,625 --> 01:04:35,605
in the future land use map is multifamily. And, uh, put some information on

825
01:04:35,805 --> 01:04:39,765
this slide. This is lifted directly from soar 2040. The comprehensive

826
01:04:40,165 --> 01:04:43,995
plan, it reads multifamily primarily supports a mix of housing options that

827
01:04:44,285 --> 01:04:48,285
may consist of one or more of housing types. Should be, should be noted

828
01:04:48,565 --> 01:04:52,255
that, uh, one of the things that's listed as multifamily areas noted

829
01:04:52,605 --> 01:04:56,405
in the future land use map are intended to be used for existing apartment complexes and multifamily

830
01:04:56,925 --> 01:05:00,745
areas only in the future. They would prefer those go to activity centers so

831
01:05:00,965 --> 01:05:04,885
that you have a mix of uses where folks can live and have outside activities

832
01:05:05,545 --> 01:05:09,425
on the same lots. But this particular parcel is already, um,

833
01:05:10,365 --> 01:05:14,235
entitled with a pud. And the pud is, uh, largely residential

834
01:05:14,925 --> 01:05:18,845
in nature with some associated community, uh, retail on the

835
01:05:19,005 --> 01:05:23,005
west side of this existing parcel. Um, that's why the designation I think,

836
01:05:23,085 --> 01:05:26,325
was assigned to it because it's, it's already, uh, it's already

837
01:05:27,205 --> 01:05:31,005
entitled for that. So they made the future land use ma match up with that. The request, however,

838
01:05:31,395 --> 01:05:34,985
from the applicant is for heavy industrial, heavy industrial is because that's

839
01:05:35,685 --> 01:05:39,465
the land use category that best encompasses that type of, um,

840
01:05:41,145 --> 01:05:45,145
non-residential, uh, use. That really goes beyond

841
01:05:45,565 --> 01:05:49,265
commercial. It's, uh, heavy industrial allows for things that are

842
01:05:49,675 --> 01:05:53,675
more than simply point of service sales or high turnover sales. It's,

843
01:05:54,185 --> 01:05:57,845
uh, light assembly. It can be all sorts of warehousing

844
01:05:58,355 --> 01:06:02,265
uses and all the things that you would expect to find in what we would term an industrial park. We

845
01:06:02,485 --> 01:06:06,125
don't really need tutoring on what that is. Um, heavy industrial allows

846
01:06:06,545 --> 01:06:10,545
for major manufacturing, major employers and some, and some supportive retail and office. But

847
01:06:10,785 --> 01:06:13,485
by and large it's, uh, it's self-titled.

848
01:06:15,465 --> 01:06:19,405
so as we reviewed this, um, like I said, the, the chief guide that we

849
01:06:19,525 --> 01:06:23,365
had was that comprehensive plan. I cannot recommend enough that you leaf

850
01:06:23,605 --> 01:06:27,605
through that. It's a very compelling document that was ultimately put together with

851
01:06:27,845 --> 01:06:31,365
the input from the community. That's how those documents are built. There's a series

852
01:06:31,945 --> 01:06:35,205
of public meetings where consultants or staff or both

853
01:06:36,075 --> 01:06:40,045
solicit the input of the persons who want to contribute to the places where they live

854
01:06:40,225 --> 01:06:44,165
and make their home. And so they're asked questions, what do you wanna see? What do you not

855
01:06:44,365 --> 01:06:48,195
wanna see? And using those specific answers, they create things like future land use maps

856
01:06:48,985 --> 01:06:52,885
and the expectations of what all those designations are. So as we

857
01:06:53,045 --> 01:06:56,965
went through, we looked at it in the number one question, uh, that, that we, we have

858
01:06:57,125 --> 01:07:00,925
put forward. And I would hope that you would consider these questions as well as you make your decision,

859
01:07:01,295 --> 01:07:05,165
which is why I've put them here. But is the proposed use superior to the current entitlement

860
01:07:06,265 --> 01:07:10,105
in short staff beliefs? That that is not true? Uh, the proposed use

861
01:07:10,745 --> 01:07:14,505
is not superior to what's currently entitled. There are some, uh,

862
01:07:15,955 --> 01:07:19,725
some pages in there, some language in the future land use, uh, or I'm sorry, in the comprehensive

863
01:07:20,235 --> 01:07:24,045
plan that states, um, deficiencies that the community has things

864
01:07:24,325 --> 01:07:28,085
that we need to do. Some of the things were a greater variety of housing types.

865
01:07:29,215 --> 01:07:33,085
we're, we're pretty much, uh, you know, a single family detached community right now.

866
01:07:33,625 --> 01:07:37,145
and the opportunities for what's entitled on the lot, uh, right now,

867
01:07:38,065 --> 01:07:42,005
um, go towards remedying some of those deficiencies. However, the application

868
01:07:42,525 --> 01:07:46,525
itself's not. So, um, the second one, is there sufficient

869
01:07:46,765 --> 01:07:50,725
community benefit considering the perceived threats to the local development pattern?

870
01:07:51,135 --> 01:07:55,095
would this be better placed elsewhere in the city? Um, we staff

871
01:07:55,445 --> 01:07:59,405
believes that it would be, uh, better suited if it were elsewhere in the city

872
01:08:00,135 --> 01:08:04,045
using the euclidean pattern of zoning that we know about. We put some things where

873
01:08:04,325 --> 01:08:08,095
they belong and other things where they belong elsewhere. And it's the nexus

874
01:08:08,445 --> 01:08:11,685
between the uses that creates whether or not they're dissimilar or similar.

875
01:08:12,545 --> 01:08:16,485
we haven't found, uh, that the category of use is allowable in this future land

876
01:08:16,765 --> 01:08:20,725
use designation are congruent with the, um, emergent and the existing

877
01:08:20,845 --> 01:08:24,805
pattern of development along it schmidt and limmer. The third one

878
01:08:25,005 --> 01:08:28,705
is the bulk standards allowable in employment categories, um,

879
01:08:29,185 --> 01:08:33,025
as well as the effluent from those. So bulk standards would refer to

880
01:08:33,545 --> 01:08:37,405
the basic, uh, dimensions of what can be built on the site. You're

881
01:08:37,725 --> 01:08:41,665
talking about your setbacks, building height, impervious surface ratios, the

882
01:08:41,885 --> 01:08:45,885
amount of parking. Um, we haven't found necessarily

883
01:08:46,445 --> 01:08:50,005
that they're able to fit in congruently with the existing pattern.

884
01:08:50,705 --> 01:08:54,475
and we can speak more about this on the next item because we have conceptual site

885
01:08:54,765 --> 01:08:58,705
plans of what they would like to do within the pud that they seek on

886
01:08:58,925 --> 01:09:02,445
the lot. Um, but, but by and large, the irrespective

887
01:09:03,265 --> 01:09:07,125
of whatever use is placed here in the future, the parent category

888
01:09:07,425 --> 01:09:11,425
of industrial on this lot would lend itself and

889
01:09:11,645 --> 01:09:15,255
open itself up to uses that create noise, light,

890
01:09:16,095 --> 01:09:20,065
smoke, smells, vibration, uh, traffic, uh,

891
01:09:20,285 --> 01:09:24,245
especially deliveries, truck traffic deliveries, uh, at hours that are outside

892
01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:28,705
of what you would consider to be daylight hours, 7:00 am to 6:00 pm

893
01:09:29,385 --> 01:09:33,055
or something along those lines. Um, the, the idea of the, the, those

894
01:09:33,405 --> 01:09:36,305
employment categories have a higher degree of, um,

895
01:09:37,425 --> 01:09:41,335
uh, use, I'll call it, or just activity throughout the course of the day, which

896
01:09:41,685 --> 01:09:45,525
would be incongruent with residential uses that, you know, really wind down in the evening. And then

897
01:09:46,505 --> 01:09:50,345
lastly, um, future adaptation after the

898
01:09:50,725 --> 01:09:54,725
proposed use is no longer in operation, meaning resiliency, what is the most

899
01:09:54,885 --> 01:09:58,725
likely adaptive use for the next operator to come

900
01:09:58,945 --> 01:10:02,245
in on a site that is heavy or even light industry

901
01:10:03,225 --> 01:10:07,225
on a 40 acre lot in the middle of a number of subdivisions and

902
01:10:07,555 --> 01:10:11,265
community commercial, uh, can't be said, but, um,

903
01:10:11,615 --> 01:10:15,005
again, we'll talk a little bit about mitigation and the expectation of mitigating,

904
01:10:16,065 --> 01:10:19,065
uh, the, the differences between those dissimilar uses. So,

905
01:10:20,225 --> 01:10:24,165
um, for that, for that purpose, and I didn't touch on everything that's in the

906
01:10:24,285 --> 01:10:28,285
staff report, I encourage you to read the staff report, but even if you ignore the staff report, you can

907
01:10:28,365 --> 01:10:32,275
come up with your own decisions by reading intently that that comprehensive plan

908
01:10:32,565 --> 01:10:36,525
section on multifamily and the comprehensive plan section on, uh, heavy

909
01:10:37,085 --> 01:10:40,865
industry and decide if what's there today is, uh, superior to what's

910
01:10:41,565 --> 01:10:45,405
proposed. But staff has found, um, no indication that you should,

911
01:10:45,665 --> 01:10:48,325
uh, support this, uh, this application as presented.

912
01:10:49,765 --> 01:10:53,705
I make myself available for any questions you may have or, you know, at

913
01:10:53,925 --> 01:10:55,565
your discretion if you wanna call up the applicant.

914
01:11:06,665 --> 01:11:10,605
all right. So this does call for a public hearing. Before we begin the public hearing, I

915
01:11:10,725 --> 01:11:14,635
would like to read off that we did receive

916
01:11:16,405 --> 01:11:20,105
responses to the notices that were mailed out. Uh,

917
01:11:20,945 --> 01:11:24,725
and we received on this item, I believe it was

918
01:11:25,865 --> 01:11:29,645
33 responses

919
01:11:30,945 --> 01:11:34,845
as of perhaps last wednesday. Okay. Because we've, we've more

920
01:11:34,965 --> 01:11:38,965
than doubled that. And I figured there were a few more. We'll, we'll have

921
01:11:39,005 --> 01:11:43,005
some more for you on the 20th. Okay. Ev everything that's come in since the packet's been posted, we'll bring

922
01:11:43,125 --> 01:11:46,995
you the new ones for the 20th. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Uh, yes. So they,

923
01:11:47,785 --> 01:11:51,755
the, the, uh, responses that were sent in were

924
01:11:52,325 --> 01:11:56,305
received. They have been read as part of this packet and, uh,

925
01:11:56,845 --> 01:12:00,705
acknowledged. Can I, can

926
01:12:00,925 --> 01:12:04,345
I ask one question that's kind of unrelated? Okay. Uh,

927
01:12:05,105 --> 01:12:09,025
si signage. Uh, I know that was, uh, that's

928
01:12:09,795 --> 01:12:13,365
most of the reason why we're delaying or furthering this

929
01:12:14,235 --> 01:12:18,205
hearing, public hearing, is that correct? Yeah, I mean, if you wanna get into

930
01:12:18,445 --> 01:12:22,365
it. So, um, there been pretty snakebit with

931
01:12:22,645 --> 01:12:25,945
this meeting in general, let alone this item specifically. But, um,

932
01:12:26,895 --> 01:12:30,765
there we had a, there's a state law for how long signage needs

933
01:12:31,085 --> 01:12:35,045
to be posted on the site. Mm-hmm . That is one of four notifications that

934
01:12:35,285 --> 01:12:39,245
we are required by law or code. One of 'em is letters to the

935
01:12:39,365 --> 01:12:42,965
adjoining property owners. One of 'em is advertisement in the newspaper of general circulation

936
01:12:43,645 --> 01:12:47,085
within the community. Another one is, um, the advertisements

937
01:12:47,845 --> 01:12:51,805
are posted on the website and the fourth one is that a sign is posted on the site.

938
01:12:52,395 --> 01:12:56,345
okay. I was going through a series of checklists to make sure that we had dotted all of our I's

939
01:12:56,565 --> 01:13:00,525
and crossed all of our t's about two weeks ago or so. Maybe three.

940
01:13:01,075 --> 01:13:04,965
yeah. And realized on thursday of that week that we had not

941
01:13:05,165 --> 01:13:08,905
posted signs on the site, which were due to be posted by the

942
01:13:09,325 --> 01:13:13,115
previous monday. So we were four days late. The reason for that is because our code

943
01:13:13,825 --> 01:13:17,535
per the letter of the code reads that the applicant is to place

944
01:13:17,885 --> 01:13:21,845
signs on the site and then take photos of those signs and send them back to us

945
01:13:22,105 --> 01:13:25,965
as an affidavit that they've been established. And then further they're required to

946
01:13:26,285 --> 01:13:30,005
maintain those sites throughout the course of the notification period. We did not convey

947
01:13:30,325 --> 01:13:34,325
that to the applicant. Okay. This is my first meeting, my first go around here. I've only worked here since

948
01:13:34,525 --> 01:13:38,365
january, so I'm learning as I go. And most of the time I learn is because I screw something

949
01:13:38,645 --> 01:13:42,285
up. So, um, we worked with legal, worked with the city manager's,

950
01:13:42,805 --> 01:13:46,765
office and development services, and we decided a new plan that we would

951
01:13:46,885 --> 01:13:50,845
be able to get new signs up. And that's when we decided to push

952
01:13:51,465 --> 01:13:55,375
the deliberations of this to the 20th. The decision could

953
01:13:55,725 --> 01:13:59,025
be made on april the 20th, as long as we had the signs posted,

954
01:13:59,785 --> 01:14:03,765
you know, on site properly by april the fifth. Sounds great.

955
01:14:04,465 --> 01:14:08,405
so that friday we had put up the signs after learning thursday night, they weren't up, they were up

956
01:14:08,565 --> 01:14:12,565
the next friday. So we were ready to be a week in a, you know,

957
01:14:12,605 --> 01:14:16,235
in advance of what we needed. Mm-hmm . Then come to find out that the state legislature

958
01:14:17,105 --> 01:14:20,785
had arbitrarily changed the standard for what public

959
01:14:21,205 --> 01:14:25,115
hearing signs need to look like. And they changed the dimension to four feet wide

960
01:14:25,905 --> 01:14:29,155
and two feet tall. Our signs were

961
01:14:30,425 --> 01:14:34,325
not that, uh, close 30 something

962
01:14:34,725 --> 01:14:38,445
inches instead of 40 something inches, but at the end of the day, it wasn't what was prescribed

963
01:14:38,985 --> 01:14:42,885
and there's no slack in their rope. So we learned this

964
01:14:43,185 --> 01:14:46,445
on perhaps tuesday in the morning, I guess of the, after that weekend,

965
01:14:47,265 --> 01:14:51,245
called up a sign company had signs made on an emergency basis,

966
01:14:51,865 --> 01:14:55,605
and this guy right here went on good friday up to georgetown,

967
01:14:56,005 --> 01:14:59,465
picked up the signs and posted them on the site, um,

968
01:15:00,065 --> 01:15:03,845
on, you know, last friday. So we're still on board

969
01:15:04,165 --> 01:15:08,025
with the schedule we had put forward for the 20th and the seventh. Mm-hmm

970
01:15:08,485 --> 01:15:12,085
. Um, but we had to do it again to make sure that we were

971
01:15:12,645 --> 01:15:16,635
compliant with public notification laws, both domestic, I'll

972
01:15:16,925 --> 01:15:20,605
say, which is the city of hu requirements and the texas local government

973
01:15:20,965 --> 01:15:24,705
code, which is forward by the, the legislature. So we, we

974
01:15:25,165 --> 01:15:29,165
are on board, we are working out a plan in the future for what that's gonna

975
01:15:29,285 --> 01:15:32,765
look like. The signs are gonna change, they're gonna get bigger. Uh, they're gonna get more yellower,

976
01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:37,885
uh, so that you can see 'em, and we're gonna put bigger print on them so they're not so small when you're

977
01:15:38,085 --> 01:15:41,985
driving by trying to figure out what it reads. So, okay. I'm, I'm

978
01:15:42,325 --> 01:15:46,165
learning. I'm, I'm gonna get there. Yeah. I, I just wanted to ask, 'cause that was one

979
01:15:46,365 --> 01:15:50,365
comment that I saw in public that we were hiding something, so I just wanted to make sure.

980
01:15:50,665 --> 01:15:54,525
no, we're, we're not hiding. It's just drinking from the fire hose for the last three months has really

981
01:15:55,025 --> 01:15:58,965
got me, really got me twisted. So sorry about that. And then we're still

982
01:15:59,125 --> 01:16:02,665
gonna require the developer, the applicant to be able to

983
01:16:03,255 --> 01:16:07,025
still put the signs out, right? Or is that gonna fall in this city? No,

984
01:16:07,265 --> 01:16:10,765
I'm, I'm gonna work that out. We'll, we'll talk about it, you know, probably,

985
01:16:11,325 --> 01:16:15,265
actually, there's an item tonight to talk about our udc and I'm gonna slide a couple of things to

986
01:16:15,485 --> 01:16:19,315
you right there too. So, um, it's gonna, it's gonna be better and more

987
01:16:19,605 --> 01:16:23,495
automatic. Good. I wanna ask a question. Awesome. Thank

988
01:16:23,845 --> 01:16:27,405
you, howard. Sir, can you tell us how many, uh, letters

989
01:16:28,315 --> 01:16:32,145
that you've received are for this project? To

990
01:16:32,365 --> 01:16:35,965
my knowledge? Two. I'm sorry. Two. Thank you.

991
01:16:37,025 --> 01:16:40,825
so follow on question then, out of how

992
01:16:41,045 --> 01:16:44,805
many responses you've mailed out how many? I,

993
01:16:45,105 --> 01:16:48,885
but the number I think was 2, 2 35, and I think it was 235 letters went

994
01:16:49,165 --> 01:16:53,065
out to a, to a radius of 600 feet from the, the site. That's the buffer. And

995
01:16:53,285 --> 01:16:57,085
how many were received? We believe it's like 54 or 56 right now.

996
01:16:57,395 --> 01:17:01,185
okay. As, as of this evening. And, and two of them were four? That's

997
01:17:01,605 --> 01:17:05,405
correct. The others were against. Against, yes, sir. Okay. That answer,

998
01:17:05,645 --> 01:17:09,465
that, that put it in context? Nope, that's fine. Okay. I'm

999
01:17:09,685 --> 01:17:12,925
gonna stop any further discussion because we have a public hearing to get to.

1000
01:17:14,585 --> 01:17:18,485
so with that, are you gonna have the applicant come up or the public hearing? Which, which order

1001
01:17:18,705 --> 01:17:22,105
do you wanna do it in? Um, does the applicant have a presentation? Yes.

1002
01:17:22,865 --> 01:17:25,045
yes. Let's do it then. Let's hear the applicant's presentation.

1003
01:17:30,735 --> 01:17:34,605
thank. Give us

1004
01:17:34,765 --> 01:17:36,285
one second. We'll get it up on the screen for you.

1005
01:17:47,785 --> 01:17:51,105
uh, before we begin, I would like to ask the gallery to

1006
01:17:52,405 --> 01:17:55,725
refrain from comments noises, exclamations,

1007
01:17:58,205 --> 01:18:02,065
clapping, booze, anything like that while the presentations are

1008
01:18:02,285 --> 01:18:04,405
being conducted. Thank you.

1009
01:18:07,265 --> 01:18:11,225
is a mic, is that a microphone? I have one

1010
01:18:11,445 --> 01:18:15,445
over here. Um, let me see which one.

1011
01:18:15,675 --> 01:18:16,645
it's that works.

1012
01:18:24,265 --> 01:18:25,535
our internet is so slow today.

1013
01:18:33,825 --> 01:18:37,565
uh, good evening, commissioners. My name is wes gilmer and I'm a principal with zico development.

1014
01:18:38,285 --> 01:18:42,245
I really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you this evening. Um, I have two key points that I

1015
01:18:42,325 --> 01:18:46,285
would like you all to walk away with. The first being that this is an opportunity for the

1016
01:18:46,365 --> 01:18:50,065
city of hu to unlock hundreds of millions of dollars in taxable value by taking the

1017
01:18:50,605 --> 01:18:53,885
existing infrastructure on an otherwise very constrained and restricted site.

1018
01:18:54,785 --> 01:18:58,765
the second point is that not all data centers are created equal. And what we're proposing tonight is

1019
01:18:59,085 --> 01:19:03,005
designed to be a low impact, thoughtful neighbor with minimal burden on city utilities.

1020
01:19:05,865 --> 01:19:09,525
uh, so a little bit about zydeco. We've been around for 30 years. We're based here in austin.

1021
01:19:10,225 --> 01:19:13,725
uh, we're known for best in class engineering, best in class architecture and design.

1022
01:19:14,365 --> 01:19:18,205
I would encourage anyone who wants to see our projects to go drive met center, which is the project we're most well

1023
01:19:18,565 --> 01:19:22,565
known for in southeast austin. We've built five data centers

1024
01:19:22,865 --> 01:19:26,525
in the past. Um, all these are at met center, the most recent one being the 40 megawatt

1025
01:19:27,085 --> 01:19:30,965
a md facility. We've also notably built the, uh, ercot headquarters as well.

1026
01:19:32,855 --> 01:19:36,525
again, a little more on met center. It's a 550 acre project, three and a half million square feet

1027
01:19:36,895 --> 01:19:40,525
began in 96. Some of the tenants in the park include a-m-d-p-p-d,

1028
01:19:42,225 --> 01:19:46,205
the statesman headquarters. And then, um, the data centers that I mentioned being cyrus one

1029
01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:50,285
digital realty. So our goal is to

1030
01:19:50,445 --> 01:19:54,365
bring a significant tax value project to the city of hu while still being

1031
01:19:54,525 --> 01:19:57,905
a thoughtful neighbor on a very constrained site. Um,

1032
01:19:58,545 --> 01:20:02,445
I'm gonna walk through how we routed our concept plan today, but we've met with the adjacent neighborhood, hoa

1033
01:20:02,825 --> 01:20:06,685
two times their first time being in october, which has guided us towards the

1034
01:20:06,845 --> 01:20:10,205
plan plan that we're presenting to you today. Um, it will be an environmentally, environmentally

1035
01:20:11,125 --> 01:20:14,835
responsible project in that we're using modern cooling system technology that

1036
01:20:15,405 --> 01:20:19,065
minimize water use. Um, and then comparing this to the previously approved pud,

1037
01:20:19,585 --> 01:20:23,515
uh, the 173 multifamily units, this is significantly less than pervious cover. It's

1038
01:20:23,805 --> 01:20:27,565
separated by five acres of green space between the adjacent homes and the project.

1039
01:20:28,425 --> 01:20:32,045
um, and the building will be set back 300 feet opposed to 30 feet previously

1040
01:20:32,845 --> 01:20:36,745
approved. So the site, uh, I know the city staff just presented,

1041
01:20:37,225 --> 01:20:41,065
uh, an aerial, but we really view this as a transmission corridor. It's across the

1042
01:20:41,265 --> 01:20:45,055
street from the giant hud substation. It's one of the only sites in hudu,

1043
01:20:45,705 --> 01:20:48,785
actually one of the only sites in northeast austin with the existing transmission

1044
01:20:49,765 --> 01:20:52,745
and substation adjacency required for a project like this,

1045
01:20:54,115 --> 01:20:58,025
there are five large kv lines that run down the site. Obviously, when you drive

1046
01:20:58,145 --> 01:21:01,225
down edgemont boulevard, you really can't miss them. And when you map this out,

1047
01:21:02,235 --> 01:21:06,145
everything showing here in red is sitting in the encore transmission easement.

1048
01:21:06,405 --> 01:21:10,065
you cannot build any structure in that red area. So it creates a really

1049
01:21:10,505 --> 01:21:14,325
fragmented side geometry. There's essentially zero retail frontage. Um,

1050
01:21:14,705 --> 01:21:18,665
I can't really imagine another use working well here. It certainly doesn't seem like, um, it'd be friendly

1051
01:21:18,765 --> 01:21:20,845
for some multifamily development entrance either.

1052
01:21:23,325 --> 01:21:27,305
so, up top here is showing the, the concept plan of the previously approved p

1053
01:21:27,795 --> 01:21:31,625
below is showing our proposed concept plan. Um, so we're

1054
01:21:31,945 --> 01:21:35,505
proposing a 225,000 square foot building, whereas the previous project had 550,000

1055
01:21:36,345 --> 01:21:40,205
square feet. Um, just in general, data centers are

1056
01:21:40,425 --> 01:21:44,425
known for substantially lower traffic, uh, and daily activity. What I've,

1057
01:21:44,665 --> 01:21:48,525
what I've heard from residents is that this intersection here at et limber loop is

1058
01:21:48,745 --> 01:21:52,505
a high traffic intersection. It already gets super backed up. So adding all these units,

1059
01:21:52,905 --> 01:21:56,715
I think would be a, a problematic, um, issue. And then we're

1060
01:21:57,065 --> 01:22:00,825
adding significant buffer and setbacks. So the previous plan could build multifamily

1061
01:22:01,425 --> 01:22:05,225
units 30 feet away from the adjacent residential, whereas again, we're

1062
01:22:05,465 --> 01:22:08,645
setting our project back via a five acre, um,

1063
01:22:09,595 --> 01:22:13,385
greenscape buffer with two rows of trees, and then two eight foot masonry

1064
01:22:13,865 --> 01:22:16,985
walls separating the screen service yard from the adjacent residential.

1065
01:22:20,295 --> 01:22:24,225
from an infrastructure perspective, um, our project's gonna get in was going to use a

1066
01:22:24,345 --> 01:22:28,165
closed loop cooling system, which I'll get into, uh, how exactly that works. My

1067
01:22:28,385 --> 01:22:32,345
understanding is the previous plan required new water, sewer, storm water road extensions.

1068
01:22:33,525 --> 01:22:37,505
um, I'm not even sure that the water was in place to serve, is in place to serve

1069
01:22:37,745 --> 01:22:41,745
a project of that size, whereas we're not, um, really asking for any upgrades

1070
01:22:42,145 --> 01:22:45,945
from municipal, municipal utility standpoint. And our project, uh, creates essentially

1071
01:22:46,525 --> 01:22:50,465
no city service demand on schools, police parks, et cetera.

1072
01:22:50,845 --> 01:22:54,765
and then just to visualize the difference in estimated tax value, um,

1073
01:22:55,005 --> 01:22:58,645
you can see here we ran a conservative analysis. The previous project, um,

1074
01:22:59,445 --> 01:23:03,415
you can call it around $39 million of taxable value. Ours is around eight times that

1075
01:23:03,705 --> 01:23:07,275
amount, and that's assuming that this project would ever even get built. The, the developer

1076
01:23:08,105 --> 01:23:12,045
who took this through rezone was a group called aspen heights. They were not able to capitalize this project

1077
01:23:12,205 --> 01:23:16,085
because no one wants to live the, the, the kv line. The kv lines are super

1078
01:23:16,405 --> 01:23:20,325
problematic from a development perspective. So just

1079
01:23:20,605 --> 01:23:24,485
blowing up the concept plan a little bit more, I've already noticed that. I've already noted the three

1080
01:23:24,675 --> 01:23:28,645
16 foot building setback, the five acres of green space. Um, I'd like to

1081
01:23:28,765 --> 01:23:32,725
also note that the building will be single story. Um, so at max we expect that

1082
01:23:32,885 --> 01:23:36,805
to be around 42 feet is our best estimate. Um, and then again,

1083
01:23:37,005 --> 01:23:40,435
there's gonna be an eight foot cmu screening wall. We're willing for that to be 10 to 15 feet.

1084
01:23:41,385 --> 01:23:45,185
um, and then there's another eight foot screen wall for the screen service yard as

1085
01:23:45,405 --> 01:23:49,405
well. So what can the

1086
01:23:49,485 --> 01:23:53,165
nearby residents expect? Uh, a quiet low traffic facility. There's no regular

1087
01:23:53,805 --> 01:23:57,525
delivery traffic, no evening or weekend crowds. Sound levels designed to remain within

1088
01:23:57,905 --> 01:24:01,585
the city ordinance limits at all times, including nighttime, uh,

1089
01:24:02,045 --> 01:24:05,985
shielded, downward directed lighting to prevent any sort of spillover on homes. And

1090
01:24:06,205 --> 01:24:10,005
I've already noted on the setbacks, the landscaping and screening. And we're trying to just minimize the total impact

1091
01:24:10,405 --> 01:24:14,405
in general from the adjacent properties. We wanna include

1092
01:24:14,725 --> 01:24:18,725
a slide to talk about who needs a data center. So, uh, to be clear, we do not have a

1093
01:24:19,085 --> 01:24:22,865
customer yet for this project. Uh, we are in the preliminary design phase with encore.

1094
01:24:23,455 --> 01:24:27,405
we've asked for ing megawatts. Um, we have not heard an answer from them if that's even achievable

1095
01:24:27,725 --> 01:24:31,645
yet. They could come back and say it's 40 megawatts. Either way. The maximum amount that this pro, this project

1096
01:24:31,805 --> 01:24:35,515
would be is 70 megawatts. Um, that's a midscale data center. So it's

1097
01:24:35,905 --> 01:24:39,765
too small for a ai training facility. It certainly won't be a bitcoin mining

1098
01:24:40,325 --> 01:24:44,225
facility. Those are bad. Those are loud. You know, every time that you call 9 1 1 that you use

1099
01:24:44,445 --> 01:24:48,285
your email or use social media, it's being processed through a data center. So this, our

1100
01:24:48,645 --> 01:24:52,605
customers could be someone like adele, like instagram, visa payments processing. We're not really

1101
01:24:52,765 --> 01:24:56,605
sure, but it's just a good example of who a fa a facility of this size could potentially

1102
01:24:57,005 --> 01:25:00,765
work for. I wanted to speak a little on the closed loop

1103
01:25:01,115 --> 01:25:04,645
cooling system that will be, uh, written into the pod and certainly used for this project.

1104
01:25:05,225 --> 01:25:09,205
so, uh, this, it's sort of operates somewhere to a car radiator where there's an

1105
01:25:09,285 --> 01:25:13,185
initial charge, and from there there's only a 2% loss factor annually. So

1106
01:25:13,405 --> 01:25:16,705
when you look at in terms of, um, houses, uh,

1107
01:25:17,465 --> 01:25:21,445
the operations of the data center alone use around two homes worth of

1108
01:25:21,605 --> 01:25:25,575
water on an annual basis. If you include, uh, irrigation

1109
01:25:26,305 --> 01:25:30,165
for the whole site, that number could be closer to 15. But either way, that

1110
01:25:30,365 --> 01:25:34,325
is significantly less than what we expect the 173 multifamily unit

1111
01:25:34,605 --> 01:25:38,565
project to, to use. And on that front, we

1112
01:25:38,765 --> 01:25:42,745
wanted to point to two existing projects with real data that we got

1113
01:25:42,965 --> 01:25:46,925
from the city of round rock, the switch and sbe data centers that have been operational for one

1114
01:25:47,085 --> 01:25:51,045
year and two years respectively. Uh, looking at sb for an example, they only used

1115
01:25:51,245 --> 01:25:54,925
137,000 gallons for the actual operations of the data center

1116
01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:58,965
last year. And again, if you include the irrigation on the rest of the site, it's around 15

1117
01:25:59,285 --> 01:26:03,085
homes, but it's still de minimus compared to the alternative. And at the same time,

1118
01:26:03,315 --> 01:26:07,205
that project is providing the tax revenue equivalent to that of 600 single family homes.

1119
01:26:08,635 --> 01:26:12,245
from a noise standpoint, there's been no recorded noise complaints received by the city.

1120
01:26:12,785 --> 01:26:16,565
um, and that's for dba and dbc, low frequency vibration. They've been a friendly

1121
01:26:16,845 --> 01:26:20,485
neighbor to the adjacent residential areas, and there's been no harmful wastewater contaminants

1122
01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:25,125
identified. So, uh, we wanted to

1123
01:26:25,285 --> 01:26:29,165
address some common concerns versus facts. Um, so this is a mid-skill

1124
01:26:29,525 --> 01:26:33,145
data center. Um, and in order for this project to be approved, uh,

1125
01:26:33,545 --> 01:26:36,885
encore and ercot, who oversees the power grid, has to run an interconnection

1126
01:26:37,605 --> 01:26:41,525
analysis and ensure that this is not going to impact the existing residential customers. If there's

1127
01:26:41,805 --> 01:26:45,555
any sort of, uh, cost associated with grid enhancements to serve this project, they'll

1128
01:26:46,045 --> 01:26:50,025
be fully born by the developer and our eventual user. Um,

1129
01:26:50,345 --> 01:26:54,305
and from a, you can think about it like this as well. We're adding capacity to the grid in

1130
01:26:54,525 --> 01:26:58,285
that if the, uh, in the event that there is a grid shutdown, all of the power

1131
01:26:58,605 --> 01:27:01,325
from the grid serving this facility will be rerouted to the adjacent residential.

1132
01:27:02,825 --> 01:27:06,705
and that's the only case in which the backup generators would be running continuously. Um,

1133
01:27:06,925 --> 01:27:10,925
from a low frequency vibration standpoint, uh, there are specialized inertia pads and spring isolators

1134
01:27:11,825 --> 01:27:15,525
for this equipment to prevent vibration from entering the ground. And again, I think with the setbacks

1135
01:27:15,925 --> 01:27:19,405
that we're including here and the, uh, a hundred foot landscape buffer with trees

1136
01:27:19,985 --> 01:27:23,605
and the two eight foot masonry walls, I just think that that should not be a, an issue here. However,

1137
01:27:24,025 --> 01:27:27,755
we have initiated a, a sound in vibration study with kimley horn

1138
01:27:28,045 --> 01:27:31,445
that we're gonna bring to council and share what the results of that study as well.

1139
01:27:33,745 --> 01:27:37,365
um, sound similar story. We are, um, designing with best screening

1140
01:27:38,005 --> 01:27:41,765
practices, and we do believe that at the distance it's a setback that's going to be a, a non-issue.

1141
01:27:42,625 --> 01:27:46,165
um, there are some concerns that we've read online about the backup generators. The backup generators

1142
01:27:46,805 --> 01:27:50,785
will only be on for monthly testing for about 30 minutes at a time, all

1143
01:27:51,005 --> 01:27:54,905
during daytime hours from the hours of 10:00 am to 5:00 pm um,

1144
01:27:55,225 --> 01:27:58,765
the only time that they'd be on for an extended period of time is if there is a grid shutdown.

1145
01:27:59,745 --> 01:28:03,405
uh, air quality, our generators are used infrequently, as I mentioned, and they must comply with

1146
01:28:04,045 --> 01:28:07,365
tceq and federal air quality standards radiation. There's no

1147
01:28:08,085 --> 01:28:11,725
ionizing radiation that is produced by this project. Um, health impacts,

1148
01:28:12,125 --> 01:28:15,245
there's no harmful chemicals that are emit, uh, from this project.

1149
01:28:16,245 --> 01:28:20,245
emf fields, uh, data centers are fully enclosed, reinforce concrete structures

1150
01:28:20,635 --> 01:28:24,245
with building walls, concrete building walls that are over a foot thick, so that naturally

1151
01:28:24,645 --> 01:28:28,485
attenuates the emf fields. Um, and light pollution, as I mentioned, we're shielding the

1152
01:28:28,685 --> 01:28:32,685
lighting. We're directing it downward. It's not gonna be some beaming feature. Um, there's

1153
01:28:33,005 --> 01:28:36,925
really just gonna be security yard security lighting in the screening yard, um, at night.

1154
01:28:37,125 --> 01:28:41,005
and we're adhering to dark sky best practices. And we also wanted to address why is

1155
01:28:41,165 --> 01:28:45,115
a pud being used? The zoning code does not, uh, specifically address data centers. This

1156
01:28:45,405 --> 01:28:49,165
is our only route to do so. Um, however, uh, that's why we had to go with the heavy

1157
01:28:49,565 --> 01:28:53,565
industrial path. That's our only path via the city of hu code to entitle

1158
01:28:53,925 --> 01:28:57,925
a data center. That being said, you can, it's an opportunity for the city to maintain a

1159
01:28:58,045 --> 01:29:01,765
greater control over the design elements, such as, such as setbacks, building height,

1160
01:29:02,455 --> 01:29:06,445
sound, and site layout in addition to use. So if there's

1161
01:29:06,685 --> 01:29:10,685
concerns about the heavy industrial use, you can write in the code that one day. If this data center doesn't exist

1162
01:29:10,925 --> 01:29:14,825
here, you could write in all the things you'd be concerned about are also not allowed in

1163
01:29:15,045 --> 01:29:19,005
this project. From a timeline standpoint, um, we started meeting

1164
01:29:19,325 --> 01:29:23,325
with the neighborhood back in the fall of last year. We submitted our putt in february. We're obviously here

1165
01:29:23,485 --> 01:29:27,365
at pz tonight on april 7th. Council will be on may 7th. The earliest

1166
01:29:27,845 --> 01:29:31,845
possible date we think we'd start construction is 2028. But with what we're hearing with how

1167
01:29:32,005 --> 01:29:35,865
backed up the grid is at the moment, we think it's much more likely maybe 20, 29 and 2030 is

1168
01:29:36,085 --> 01:29:38,085
the actual energization date for this project.

1169
01:29:40,545 --> 01:29:44,525
and with that, really appreciate the time to present to you all tonight. We view this as the highest and best use for

1170
01:29:44,685 --> 01:29:48,685
this particular site. Um, and I'm here to answer any questions. Thank you.

1171
01:29:48,725 --> 01:29:52,585
thank you. Okay, so

1172
01:29:52,805 --> 01:29:56,805
we've got the presentations concluded. I believe now would be a good time

1173
01:29:57,065 --> 01:29:59,045
to open the public hearing.

1174
01:30:01,345 --> 01:30:03,695
so I am going to open the public hearing at 8:30 pm

1175
01:30:10,285 --> 01:30:13,265
and we have several people who have signed up to speak

1176
01:30:15,125 --> 01:30:18,755
the president. I'm gonna go straight down the line here. Uh, first

1177
01:30:19,205 --> 01:30:21,455
we have, uh, come on down. Nick kock.

1178
01:30:26,885 --> 01:30:29,385
is nick still here? He's there. Oh, there he is.

1179
01:30:36,015 --> 01:30:39,785
good evening. I'm nick crane. I'm at, uh, 10 13 vanderau road

1180
01:30:40,415 --> 01:30:44,375
here in hu. Um, obviously speaking, um, against

1181
01:30:45,905 --> 01:30:48,845
changing the zoning for the data center, um,

1182
01:30:50,425 --> 01:30:53,855
I just think that there's threats to long-term

1183
01:30:54,465 --> 01:30:58,385
sustainability and quality of life in the community. I know that the

1184
01:30:58,545 --> 01:31:02,415
presentation was just kind of addressing some of those issues, but with

1185
01:31:02,705 --> 01:31:06,365
the data centers in round rock, I think that one to two years of

1186
01:31:06,935 --> 01:31:10,605
data he was showing that's not enough. It's a short period of time. I know data centers are

1187
01:31:11,025 --> 01:31:14,905
new. They're trying to come all here at central texas, but I just don't think one to two years

1188
01:31:15,065 --> 01:31:18,805
of data, um, is enough to justify changing the zoning to

1189
01:31:19,755 --> 01:31:23,115
place the data center here. My biggest concerns are, uh, water

1190
01:31:23,805 --> 01:31:27,695
and then the, uh, electric grid, because there could be issues with,

1191
01:31:28,325 --> 01:31:32,305
uh, the facility consuming, um, a lot of water.

1192
01:31:32,845 --> 01:31:36,105
and then obviously the texas power grid, the grid here

1193
01:31:36,995 --> 01:31:40,945
isn't the best. Uh, we just moved over here from georgetown. Our neighborhood is, you know,

1194
01:31:41,045 --> 01:31:44,985
six was six years old over in georgetown. And, uh, you can pretty much put it on the

1195
01:31:45,345 --> 01:31:49,185
calendar power outages like once or twice a month, if not

1196
01:31:49,385 --> 01:31:53,265
more, which is a major issue. We have young kids, uh, we had family members staying

1197
01:31:53,625 --> 01:31:57,485
with us that needed, um, power for, you know, oxygen tanks and stuff. So,

1198
01:31:58,405 --> 01:32:02,165
um, having more draw on the electric grid is not good.

1199
01:32:02,665 --> 01:32:05,715
um, especially with central texas growing,

1200
01:32:06,745 --> 01:32:10,465
uh, as it is. So I would urge, uh,

1201
01:32:10,785 --> 01:32:14,565
to consider the water, the power, and then also, uh, the noise pollution because

1202
01:32:15,705 --> 01:32:19,685
you can, you can say that that data centers or this data center isn't gonna

1203
01:32:19,805 --> 01:32:23,765
have a ton of noise, um, data centers do, and that's gonna cause issues

1204
01:32:24,045 --> 01:32:27,745
for those neighborhoods around the proposed site. And

1205
01:32:28,845 --> 01:32:32,845
I mean, you could say that this data center is gonna be quiet, I'd say quiet compared

1206
01:32:32,965 --> 01:32:36,405
to what, like a 7 47 engine or, you know, I don't know.

1207
01:32:37,385 --> 01:32:41,155
uh, but so I would, I would consider the, the, the water impact that

1208
01:32:41,445 --> 01:32:45,085
could impact the local community, the power grid strain, that's the biggest problem.

1209
01:32:45,825 --> 01:32:49,805
and then how much it's going to, you know, drive up cost for the people to actually live

1210
01:32:49,965 --> 01:32:53,725
here and live around the proposed site. So I would,

1211
01:32:54,105 --> 01:32:57,165
uh, strongly advise against changing the zoning.

1212
01:32:58,985 --> 01:33:02,805
and, um, were you, I don't remember, sorry.

1213
01:33:03,085 --> 01:33:06,805
were you allowed to answer questions? We, we can do a little bit of back and forth.

1214
01:33:07,155 --> 01:33:10,955
okay. That is, that is permissible on a public hearing. Um, yeah,

1215
01:33:12,545 --> 01:33:15,025
so the biggest thing for me is,

1216
01:33:17,185 --> 01:33:20,895
um, where's the, the power coming from water

1217
01:33:21,345 --> 01:33:24,955
supply? And then also is there an alternative site

1218
01:33:25,425 --> 01:33:29,265
for the proposed, uh, data center. So

1219
01:33:29,905 --> 01:33:33,805
as far as alternative sites, I don't think that would be considered on this item.

1220
01:33:34,155 --> 01:33:37,915
this item is talking about changing this specific site

1221
01:33:38,595 --> 01:33:42,405
from residential multifamily to heavy industrial

1222
01:33:43,065 --> 01:33:46,795
for the data center. Okay. So it's specific to this particular site.

1223
01:33:47,225 --> 01:33:50,905
are there other places that might go, that's

1224
01:33:51,435 --> 01:33:55,355
open to discussion and speculation. Okay. But it's not part

1225
01:33:55,745 --> 01:33:59,195
of this item. Okay. With, with the five,

1226
01:34:00,615 --> 01:34:04,395
right. With the issues, uh, you know, with the water and the power, I would suggest

1227
01:34:04,885 --> 01:34:08,835
hopefully that no data centers come in to the city of hu so that

1228
01:34:09,225 --> 01:34:13,205
the people can have a high quality of life here. Thank you for your time. Alright. Thank you.

1229
01:34:13,305 --> 01:34:13,305
yep.

1230
01:34:21,235 --> 01:34:25,105
okay. I, I think that's acceptable. Alright, so

1231
01:34:25,475 --> 01:34:29,065
I've been asked, um, if you

1232
01:34:29,555 --> 01:34:33,045
come up to speak, if you could tell us what subdivision, what neighborhood

1233
01:34:33,565 --> 01:34:36,125
you're from, that would be helpful.

1234
01:34:37,905 --> 01:34:39,205
all right. Next up is, uh, david garza.

1235
01:34:51,195 --> 01:34:54,545
good evening. Uh, david garza. I live, uh,

1236
01:34:55,395 --> 01:34:59,165
just across the street from this proposed location at, uh, in emory farms. 4 22

1237
01:35:00,125 --> 01:35:03,385
emory farm creek road, farm creek drive, excuse me. Um,

1238
01:35:05,225 --> 01:35:09,065
so long, make it very quick and simple. I'm, I'm

1239
01:35:09,285 --> 01:35:13,015
against this, uh, proposed, uh, change. I think that there could

1240
01:35:13,365 --> 01:35:16,665
potentially be better uses, um,

1241
01:35:17,625 --> 01:35:21,345
for that land. Obviously I've lived there for, uh,

1242
01:35:21,775 --> 01:35:25,025
since 2017. It's the, the newer part of the subdivision. Um,

1243
01:35:26,845 --> 01:35:30,685
I grew up in hudu. Uh, I, I went

1244
01:35:30,925 --> 01:35:34,765
to the middle school when it was the middle school and the high school. Like, I remember there was

1245
01:35:34,985 --> 01:35:38,765
one light in this, in this town at one point. And that, that's, you know,

1246
01:35:39,075 --> 01:35:43,015
that was it. It was very simple, right? A lot of that hu do I miss? You

1247
01:35:43,235 --> 01:35:47,235
know, it was very, very easy to navigate through, um, not as much congestion,

1248
01:35:47,855 --> 01:35:51,615
but understanding that these are the times that we live in, you know, austin

1249
01:35:52,185 --> 01:35:55,475
grew, and with that, the surrounding areas grew. So

1250
01:35:56,915 --> 01:36:00,815
I'm all for that. And I'm not necessarily against data centers. Again, the,

1251
01:36:01,015 --> 01:36:04,915
these are changing times and it seems like data centers are here to stay with, uh,

1252
01:36:05,595 --> 01:36:09,315
the advancements in technology and, and just the direction and everything's going. Um,

1253
01:36:10,955 --> 01:36:14,255
but why there, you know, uh, ,

1254
01:36:15,215 --> 01:36:18,935
I mean, we're looking at images on the screen and you see neighborhood, neighborhood, neighborhood

1255
01:36:20,245 --> 01:36:24,035
data center, like schools, schools, you

1256
01:36:24,255 --> 01:36:28,215
know, there, there's, I'm not trying

1257
01:36:28,535 --> 01:36:32,375
to make this so complex and I'm not, I don't wanna get into the engineering side of things. I understand

1258
01:36:32,655 --> 01:36:36,615
it's closed loop system, you know, 200,000 gallons, and then that's essentially

1259
01:36:37,175 --> 01:36:40,545
a wall that they're gonna use. We're not really worried about that. They're gonna provide their own energy. Great.

1260
01:36:42,595 --> 01:36:46,575
my neighborhood's adjacent to it. I find it

1261
01:36:47,365 --> 01:36:51,355
difficult for someone, let's say I intend on selling my

1262
01:36:51,575 --> 01:36:55,135
home. A lot of young families in that neighborhood. If I sell my home

1263
01:36:56,355 --> 01:36:59,725
and I'm putting a listing on zillow, what I don't want is under amenities

1264
01:37:00,715 --> 01:37:04,535
to put a data center a

1265
01:37:04,855 --> 01:37:05,135
thousand feet away.

1266
01:37:12,225 --> 01:37:16,095
again, I, I understand in your, in your positions, it's difficult, right?

1267
01:37:16,415 --> 01:37:20,395
you're, you're trying to do what's best for the community, generate tax revenue. And believe me, I'm

1268
01:37:20,615 --> 01:37:24,575
all for reducing taxes and bringing in as much revenue as possible.

1269
01:37:25,275 --> 01:37:29,255
I'm to the other gentleman's point, we're not, it doesn't seem like

1270
01:37:29,455 --> 01:37:33,315
there's a shortage of land here in texas. We have land for

1271
01:37:33,535 --> 01:37:37,455
days. Um, you know, it, it could be a convenience putting it there

1272
01:37:37,615 --> 01:37:41,615
because of the infrastructure surrounding it. And yes, it is a landlocked spot.

1273
01:37:41,965 --> 01:37:45,955
it's, it, you know, the city made some decisions years back in place and

1274
01:37:46,175 --> 01:37:50,135
started sprinkling neighborhoods left and right. And, and so we just have this odd plot of

1275
01:37:50,295 --> 01:37:52,775
land with a bunch of utility of going across it

1276
01:37:54,425 --> 01:37:58,275
yourselves. You have an opportunity to really sit

1277
01:37:58,495 --> 01:38:02,435
down and think, what would be really cool to put there? You

1278
01:38:02,655 --> 01:38:06,615
know, aside from from, from family homes, what else could we do to bring

1279
01:38:06,855 --> 01:38:10,795
the, the community together? It's central to hu you know, um, we

1280
01:38:11,015 --> 01:38:15,015
have a lot of development in and around the, the surrounding areas. And I again, put a

1281
01:38:15,135 --> 01:38:18,805
data center outside the, uh, you know, outside

1282
01:38:19,435 --> 01:38:23,425
of, not in the middle of all of our residential mm-hmm . Um, again,

1283
01:38:23,895 --> 01:38:27,615
I don't, I, I, I, this is not to be combative. This is just me expressing, you know,

1284
01:38:29,195 --> 01:38:31,115
my thoughts and concerns as a homeowner. Uh,

1285
01:38:33,535 --> 01:38:37,335
I don't know if I'm in the minority, but . But again,

1286
01:38:37,795 --> 01:38:41,615
uh, I, I hope you all consider these things. Uh, again, it's not,

1287
01:38:41,995 --> 01:38:45,725
you know, it was a great presentation and there could be some, some benefits. But from

1288
01:38:46,055 --> 01:38:50,055
a simplicity standpoint, do I want to just be driving down the street and see

1289
01:38:50,255 --> 01:38:54,255
a data center across the street from my neighborhood? Nope. No, no. That's all I

1290
01:38:54,375 --> 01:38:55,735
have to say. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

1291
01:39:02,875 --> 01:39:04,155
all right. Next up we have brett sutton.

1292
01:39:14,435 --> 01:39:18,375
uh, hi, my name is brett sutton and I live at 1 0 2 golden

1293
01:39:18,725 --> 01:39:22,415
lane in carmel creek. Um, I've been thinking

1294
01:39:22,935 --> 01:39:26,775
about this issue for a while and researching it, uh, because I

1295
01:39:27,035 --> 01:39:30,805
saw the , uh, data center, and there's about five

1296
01:39:31,095 --> 01:39:34,135
different things on my mind. I mean, I'm an engineer.

1297
01:39:35,115 --> 01:39:38,935
um, I spent almost a decade engineering racks for

1298
01:39:39,205 --> 01:39:42,895
dell, uh, in data centers, you know, enough to fill up like,

1299
01:39:43,775 --> 01:39:47,745
I don't know, a million square feet, tons of tons of, uh, space,

1300
01:39:48,635 --> 01:39:51,555
you know, is what I've engineered. And I see, um,

1301
01:39:52,965 --> 01:39:56,795
different engineering concerns. I'm not concerned about the water. Um,

1302
01:39:57,315 --> 01:40:01,125
but four things really. It's, it's the electricity, it's

1303
01:40:01,415 --> 01:40:05,095
the heat, it's the noise, and then the attractiveness to the city.

1304
01:40:06,235 --> 01:40:09,255
um, so as far as electricity goes,

1305
01:40:10,455 --> 01:40:14,325
I think that they mentioned at the beginning of the presentation that,

1306
01:40:15,725 --> 01:40:19,695
well, this meets our adjacency needs. So there's a little bit

1307
01:40:19,855 --> 01:40:23,465
of a financial incentive to put it there, because if they don't

1308
01:40:24,135 --> 01:40:27,975
put the data center there, they have to go through what's called a large load interconnect,

1309
01:40:29,115 --> 01:40:32,955
uh, process, if I'm not mistaken, to actually, you

1310
01:40:33,175 --> 01:40:36,995
know, work through running the power lines out to, uh,

1311
01:40:37,215 --> 01:40:41,155
further out in the city, right? Which is where I would advocate for this to happen. I'm

1312
01:40:41,375 --> 01:40:44,555
against the data center in that particular location, but,

1313
01:40:45,845 --> 01:40:49,135
okay, so let's say that, you know,

1314
01:40:49,965 --> 01:40:53,155
they don't want to put it out there outside

1315
01:40:54,465 --> 01:40:57,325
the city and they're like, oh, we want this because it's cheaper.

1316
01:40:58,835 --> 01:41:02,785
okay, well, um, what about noise? And

1317
01:41:03,005 --> 01:41:06,425
what about heat? And if you're not gonna pay

1318
01:41:07,185 --> 01:41:11,045
for the large load interconnect process, then why don't

1319
01:41:11,645 --> 01:41:14,785
you pay for somebody in the city to choose

1320
01:41:16,355 --> 01:41:19,925
some consultants who can do a professional

1321
01:41:20,685 --> 01:41:24,505
engineering study, like a heat island simulation one

1322
01:41:25,065 --> 01:41:28,985
and a noise, uh, noise engineering study. Um,

1323
01:41:29,365 --> 01:41:33,325
I know they mentioned a noise study by kinley and horn, but it's like, well,

1324
01:41:33,625 --> 01:41:37,585
hey, they paid for this study. Like, is

1325
01:41:37,805 --> 01:41:41,665
it, isn't it gonna be biased towards them? Um, so

1326
01:41:42,105 --> 01:41:45,605
why not, you know, just find some engineers who are kind of third party

1327
01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:50,565
a could be university students who aren't really in it for

1328
01:41:50,765 --> 01:41:54,605
the politics or the finances, or b um, have some

1329
01:41:54,845 --> 01:41:58,665
people in the city find those consultants somewhere in the country. Um,

1330
01:41:59,795 --> 01:42:03,605
I'll volunteer to help with that. . Um, I live in carmel

1331
01:42:04,005 --> 01:42:07,515
creek, so I'm not really fully motivated

1332
01:42:08,145 --> 01:42:12,045
to get this outta my backyard, but I do think it should be in the outer regions

1333
01:42:12,545 --> 01:42:16,445
for, and I'll try to make this short. Okay, so attractiveness is kind of like a

1334
01:42:16,565 --> 01:42:20,315
no brainer to put it in the middle of a city. And then I, I googled

1335
01:42:21,015 --> 01:42:24,965
population projections for hudu and it was like 400,000. And I

1336
01:42:25,085 --> 01:42:28,925
was like, wow, that's a really weird number. I don't see it getting up there, but let's

1337
01:42:29,245 --> 01:42:33,045
just say that the city is a hundred or 200,000 people. Do you really want

1338
01:42:33,285 --> 01:42:36,475
the downtown to be like a data center? Like

1339
01:42:37,645 --> 01:42:41,505
I, I wouldn't. Um, so like round rock's

1340
01:42:41,925 --> 01:42:45,845
a hundred thousand. So what happens when hu's a hundred thousand? Like, are we gonna have a

1341
01:42:46,125 --> 01:42:49,845
downtown that looks like round rock, that's like actually cool, or like, you know,

1342
01:42:50,795 --> 01:42:54,765
like a data center . Um, so yeah, I guess

1343
01:42:55,045 --> 01:42:59,045
I addressed attractiveness, um, I addressed electricity

1344
01:42:59,365 --> 01:43:03,325
a little bit. I, yeah, I addressed noise and light,

1345
01:43:03,985 --> 01:43:07,965
but I do wanna just come back to one point, um, before I

1346
01:43:08,145 --> 01:43:11,235
end. And, and that is really that I think that

1347
01:43:13,665 --> 01:43:17,285
the electricity numbers should be public. The electricity consumption

1348
01:43:18,305 --> 01:43:22,125
should not be secretive, should not be under, uh, non-disclosure agreement

1349
01:43:22,675 --> 01:43:26,485
because we're afraid that we're gonna lose a competitive advantage. I racked

1350
01:43:26,725 --> 01:43:30,425
my brain trying to think of ways in which like having

1351
01:43:30,875 --> 01:43:34,865
that number private would give a business a competitive advantage. And

1352
01:43:35,085 --> 01:43:38,885
I'm not, I'm just not seeing it. Whether it's from a hardware producer, software

1353
01:43:39,445 --> 01:43:43,325
producer, hardware user, like purchaser of the

1354
01:43:43,685 --> 01:43:46,745
services or software user, I'm not seeing how

1355
01:43:47,895 --> 01:43:51,635
publishing a power consumption number would fail

1356
01:43:52,025 --> 01:43:55,565
to, to give a competitive advantage. And I, I'm saying this because

1357
01:43:56,285 --> 01:44:00,265
I think that power consumption numbers should be public. It, it

1358
01:44:00,485 --> 01:44:04,445
should be like a budget, you know, like we can see the city budget. Okay, so why can't

1359
01:44:04,645 --> 01:44:08,355
we see the power budget, right? So I would just really advocate that,

1360
01:44:09,225 --> 01:44:12,755
um, those numbers be made public, but I think that the equipment

1361
01:44:13,515 --> 01:44:17,505
that is being used inside of the data center should not necessarily be,

1362
01:44:17,955 --> 01:44:21,545
well, shouldn't really be public, but that, um,

1363
01:44:22,465 --> 01:44:26,225
you know, to verify that these power and these water numbers are

1364
01:44:26,845 --> 01:44:30,645
actually legitimate. That there, there be an engineer somewhere

1365
01:44:31,125 --> 01:44:34,675
in the city who is under nda, who can see an itemized list

1366
01:44:35,225 --> 01:44:39,105
of the equipment used, um, for, for

1367
01:44:39,325 --> 01:44:43,325
water and power consumption. Alright, thank you.

1368
01:44:50,875 --> 01:44:52,715
okay, next up I have nick choi.

1369
01:45:04,795 --> 01:45:08,705
good evening. Uh, my name is nick choi. I own a property on

1370
01:45:09,065 --> 01:45:12,825
hilton street, which is, uh, directly adjacent to the

1371
01:45:13,245 --> 01:45:17,145
proposed plan. I'm here to express concerns about the proposed zoning change

1372
01:45:18,105 --> 01:45:21,485
for the data center. Uh, first, this is a 70 megawatt

1373
01:45:22,285 --> 01:45:25,985
facility roughly equivalent to powering 20,000

1374
01:45:26,845 --> 01:45:30,715
homes. While I, I appreciate the focus on the power, reliability

1375
01:45:31,545 --> 01:45:34,925
and availability, the high power consumptions

1376
01:45:36,195 --> 01:45:39,785
from the dana center can pressure and

1377
01:45:40,325 --> 01:45:44,185
increase the ongoing, uh, electric bill for

1378
01:45:44,405 --> 01:45:47,725
the surrounding area. This will not be just one time

1379
01:45:48,675 --> 01:45:52,285
cost, but added reoccurring cost for the neighborhoods

1380
01:45:53,345 --> 01:45:56,625
and surroundings areas for the huddle. Second,

1381
01:45:57,625 --> 01:46:00,175
the proposed proposal describes low noise.

1382
01:46:01,635 --> 01:46:05,075
this is around 40 decibel as the document shows. However,

1383
01:46:06,065 --> 01:46:09,865
the constant 40 decibel is not silent. It

1384
01:46:10,085 --> 01:46:14,005
may not be noticeable in the daytime, however, at night it can be

1385
01:46:14,215 --> 01:46:18,215
noticeable comparison

1386
01:46:18,985 --> 01:46:22,695
to, to the existing data center. I don't think it's

1387
01:46:23,255 --> 01:46:26,655
directly applicable because those existing facilities are a lot smaller

1388
01:46:27,635 --> 01:46:30,895
and located further away from existing residential areas.

1389
01:46:32,755 --> 01:46:35,695
and I visited those sites today. They are right next to highways,

1390
01:46:37,165 --> 01:46:41,145
meaning there are a lot of background note already existing, which

1391
01:46:41,505 --> 01:46:45,255
makes it people who, um, around the area may not notice

1392
01:46:45,525 --> 01:46:48,015
that this project is different.

1393
01:46:49,975 --> 01:46:53,885
third, mainly data center rely on backup power generators during

1394
01:46:54,245 --> 01:46:58,025
the power outages. Potentially not one,

1395
01:46:59,065 --> 01:47:02,845
but potentially couple dozens. And these are not

1396
01:47:03,095 --> 01:47:07,045
small power generator you may see when you go on a campsite. These

1397
01:47:07,485 --> 01:47:11,085
are large industrial generator, not just one, but many

1398
01:47:13,945 --> 01:47:17,575
during the extended power scenarios such as winter storm

1399
01:47:18,165 --> 01:47:21,675
uri operating multiple generators, steam seriously

1400
01:47:23,025 --> 01:47:26,885
raises concerns about sustained noise and air quality concerns

1401
01:47:27,705 --> 01:47:31,545
for the community. So if, if

1402
01:47:31,955 --> 01:47:35,325
someone states that there's no noise or no air quality concerns,

1403
01:47:36,475 --> 01:47:39,725
that may be normal state, but during the emergency

1404
01:47:40,565 --> 01:47:43,565
situation, it may be difficult for the surrounding areas.

1405
01:47:44,625 --> 01:47:48,605
fourth, I'm concerned about property values at best, these types of development

1406
01:47:49,625 --> 01:47:53,445
is neutral for the area at best, but it introduce

1407
01:47:54,035 --> 01:47:57,685
risk for nearby homeowners and does not enhance neighborhood

1408
01:47:58,495 --> 01:48:02,485
value. Finally, there is more appropriate locations

1409
01:48:02,725 --> 01:48:06,205
for these types of facility, such as existing industrial

1410
01:48:06,975 --> 01:48:10,895
zones or sites nearby highway where already there

1411
01:48:11,265 --> 01:48:14,875
are background noises exist away from residential communities.

1412
01:48:16,505 --> 01:48:19,445
for these reasons, I do not support the proposed zoning change.

1413
01:48:20,565 --> 01:48:24,395
I give some thoughts about why developer selected this particular site.

1414
01:48:25,765 --> 01:48:29,645
I can relate that the developer see, sees the location attractive because

1415
01:48:30,265 --> 01:48:34,205
the substation is right there. So during the winter storm, they don't have

1416
01:48:34,325 --> 01:48:37,045
to worry about distribution line falling down by the trees.

1417
01:48:40,205 --> 01:48:43,895
I can also see the, uh, perspective from the city. This will, uh, allow

1418
01:48:44,305 --> 01:48:48,105
the, um, land utilizations also generate a lot of tax

1419
01:48:48,405 --> 01:48:52,245
revenues. I like to encourage

1420
01:48:52,645 --> 01:48:56,525
the huddle city leaders to do the right thing for the people and the

1421
01:48:56,885 --> 01:49:00,855
families in the huddle and not be misled by tax revenues. Thank

1422
01:49:01,205 --> 01:49:01,205
you.

1423
01:49:10,995 --> 01:49:11,765
next up is sandra roth.

1424
01:49:25,915 --> 01:49:29,615
my name is sandra roth and I live at 6 0 1 open range

1425
01:49:30,065 --> 01:49:34,015
drive in emory farm subdivision. I'm not gonna belabor the point.

1426
01:49:34,165 --> 01:49:38,135
each one of the gentlemen that proceeded me, I agree with

1427
01:49:38,335 --> 01:49:41,825
everything they said. Those are my concerns. My house faces

1428
01:49:42,695 --> 01:49:46,575
ed schmidt boulevard. The last thing I want to do is look out of my living room

1429
01:49:46,815 --> 01:49:49,905
window and see a data center. So I object

1430
01:49:51,145 --> 01:49:55,045
to the proposal and the erection of the data center. Thank you.

1431
01:49:55,295 --> 01:49:55,645
thank you.

1432
01:50:03,265 --> 01:50:06,565
uh, next is, I'm gonna butcher the name again, sorry. Catherine,

1433
01:50:07,635 --> 01:50:09,675
mike, meek, meek,

1434
01:50:12,425 --> 01:50:16,225
it gets people. Uh, yes. Catherine meek. I'm at

1435
01:50:16,505 --> 01:50:20,065
1 0 8 david drive in country estates. And

1436
01:50:21,005 --> 01:50:24,925
I am not tied to this project and probably represent

1437
01:50:25,185 --> 01:50:29,165
the unpopular opinion in the room. But as an energy

1438
01:50:29,525 --> 01:50:33,285
consultant with 20 years in the development space, I wanted to bring some context

1439
01:50:33,905 --> 01:50:37,845
as to what a project like this means in practice. Uh, the

1440
01:50:38,005 --> 01:50:41,965
developer showed two previous projects, one with a year in marketplace and the

1441
01:50:42,085 --> 01:50:44,885
other with two years in marketplace. And just for a little bit of perspective,

1442
01:50:46,135 --> 01:50:50,095
those projects probably started in concept about

1443
01:50:50,445 --> 01:50:54,405
five years ago when technology did not offer a lot of the things

1444
01:50:54,565 --> 01:50:58,525
that are available now. In fact, in the developer's project, they've cited that they

1445
01:50:58,645 --> 01:51:02,585
wanna use a closed loop cooling system and that the tenant has

1446
01:51:02,805 --> 01:51:06,685
not quite yet been defined yet. So if we put this in practice at the rate of technology

1447
01:51:07,525 --> 01:51:11,365
movement, their end use tenant in the building may not

1448
01:51:11,635 --> 01:51:15,605
need water at all. It may be air cooled, it may be a proprietary cooling system they

1449
01:51:15,805 --> 01:51:19,435
use for their chip. And as far as deciding what

1450
01:51:19,845 --> 01:51:23,595
the actual load will be at 70 megawatts, that

1451
01:51:23,885 --> 01:51:27,865
is a sizable amount of power. But I also wanna give some context as

1452
01:51:28,085 --> 01:51:31,725
to how that works. Data center projects have a ramp schedule.

1453
01:51:32,545 --> 01:51:36,215
so at best case scenario, they may start with maybe

1454
01:51:36,565 --> 01:51:40,465
25 megawatts of power. And every year for six

1455
01:51:40,825 --> 01:51:44,685
to 10 years, depending on the size of the project, they increase a little bit

1456
01:51:44,845 --> 01:51:48,845
more, a little bit, a little bit more. That's according to encore and ercot

1457
01:51:49,165 --> 01:51:52,985
study to maintain grid harmony. So it does not all come on

1458
01:51:53,205 --> 01:51:56,625
at the exact same time. And as the developer pointed out,

1459
01:51:57,225 --> 01:52:00,705
any infrastructure needs that are required are gonna be bore by

1460
01:52:01,545 --> 01:52:05,075
by them to get the project up. So here's another little perspective that

1461
01:52:05,685 --> 01:52:09,635
I wanna leave the city and the residents with for the state of texas. Best

1462
01:52:09,925 --> 01:52:12,905
case scenario, our energy infrastructure is 60 years old.

1463
01:52:14,275 --> 01:52:18,155
it's weak and crumbling and it isn't sufficient. Take away a large load

1464
01:52:18,445 --> 01:52:22,415
interconnection and data center demand. We need stable power, which

1465
01:52:22,765 --> 01:52:26,295
means we need new and higher volume transmission lines.

1466
01:52:27,385 --> 01:52:31,325
and the only way to get that is to pass that cost onto

1467
01:52:31,885 --> 01:52:35,805
somebody who has a project that they're willing to pay the increased cost of

1468
01:52:35,965 --> 01:52:39,955
infrastructure for when

1469
01:52:40,265 --> 01:52:44,085
the developer pays for it, it does not show up in rate base

1470
01:52:45,035 --> 01:52:48,905
when the developer does not pay for it. And the utility has to extend

1471
01:52:49,325 --> 01:52:53,165
because of natural growth. It does show up in distribution

1472
01:52:53,665 --> 01:52:57,375
and, and in rate base. And with encore, you have the two metrics, right?

1473
01:52:58,025 --> 01:53:01,825
you have the cost of supply, and then you have the cost of delivery. So

1474
01:53:02,045 --> 01:53:05,925
the residents immediately in the area, their relationship to that

1475
01:53:06,085 --> 01:53:09,965
substation is going to change once the volume of power increases.

1476
01:53:10,985 --> 01:53:14,925
and the way delivery works is the more you need, the less you pay for it

1477
01:53:15,085 --> 01:53:18,965
because the channels to get it there become more efficient. Now, what I wanna

1478
01:53:19,445 --> 01:53:23,045
pose to the city and to the residents today is not necessarily

1479
01:53:24,345 --> 01:53:28,305
how you feel about data centers. That is important. And

1480
01:53:28,525 --> 01:53:32,505
you have the advantage of having really the purse in

1481
01:53:32,725 --> 01:53:36,645
the room to let them know what you want to see in order to accept this

1482
01:53:36,925 --> 01:53:40,885
growth. It's not really do we want

1483
01:53:41,085 --> 01:53:44,885
them, it's if they come, what do we want them to do for us?

1484
01:53:45,475 --> 01:53:49,305
what do we want them to bring for us? Looking at the

1485
01:53:49,675 --> 01:53:53,545
site map, uh, when mr. Konz was laying out the

1486
01:53:53,765 --> 01:53:57,625
plot, I can tell you that if I were citing this project, I probably would not

1487
01:53:57,845 --> 01:54:01,665
have chosen something right in the middle of a residential community. And

1488
01:54:01,885 --> 01:54:05,725
it wasn't until, and I'll I'll also say this, I was not aware of this project

1489
01:54:06,295 --> 01:54:10,105
until tonight. I didn't prepare a speech. I'm giving you 20

1490
01:54:10,535 --> 01:54:14,205
years of my insights and my knowledge about how these

1491
01:54:14,805 --> 01:54:18,065
projects grow and what their constraints are.

1492
01:54:19,145 --> 01:54:22,555
now I can see why this site has been

1493
01:54:23,585 --> 01:54:27,375
slated for this project. And to put it into context, 40 acres is a very small

1494
01:54:27,955 --> 01:54:31,555
data center. We're normally seeing megawatts,

1495
01:54:32,625 --> 01:54:36,245
not rather not megawatts, but gigawatts, which go on hundreds

1496
01:54:36,805 --> 01:54:40,605
of acres, not tens of acres. So even in the developer's plan,

1497
01:54:41,275 --> 01:54:45,185
buffering a five acre, uh, really

1498
01:54:45,745 --> 01:54:49,415
window between the facility itself and the community around it means

1499
01:54:49,765 --> 01:54:53,415
the community has space to ask for what they do. Look at in that five acres,

1500
01:54:54,195 --> 01:54:58,195
does it look like a park? Does it look like a hedge wall? To not have

1501
01:54:58,485 --> 01:55:02,305
to look at that building, that is a very serious, I think, concern. We

1502
01:55:02,525 --> 01:55:06,115
all worry about, oh, this big huge open piece of land,

1503
01:55:06,865 --> 01:55:10,845
what's it gonna look like now when somebody builds something on it? So the residents have

1504
01:55:11,045 --> 01:55:15,035
an opportunity then to say, all right, if there's an upside, then this

1505
01:55:15,325 --> 01:55:19,145
is what we want. And that's why I came out tonight. No

1506
01:55:19,365 --> 01:55:19,565
data center

1507
01:55:25,865 --> 01:55:29,565
is my time over. Well, thank you so much. I I generally don't

1508
01:55:29,915 --> 01:55:33,885
hold people to the three minutes, but we do have a lot of other people who need. That's

1509
01:55:34,285 --> 01:55:38,175
what I had to say. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. She didn't get any claps.

1510
01:55:39,585 --> 01:55:41,625
all right, next up is andrew walsh.

1511
01:55:51,155 --> 01:55:54,965
good evening counsel. Uh, as the previous speaker,

1512
01:55:55,545 --> 01:55:59,155
and unlike everyone else here, you know, everyone else here

1513
01:56:00,165 --> 01:56:03,485
I stand with the, the proposed rezoning of the

1514
01:56:04,295 --> 01:56:08,165
itchy grass and trees into a data center. You guys,

1515
01:56:08,635 --> 01:56:12,245
elon musk is about to be a trillionaire. Isn't that cool? ,

1516
01:56:12,825 --> 01:56:16,485
who are we to stand between a man and his dreams? More locally.

1517
01:56:16,905 --> 01:56:20,125
our mayor is a gambler. We've seen him at the shady game rooms around town.

1518
01:56:21,185 --> 01:56:22,685
why not let 'em gamble with our future?

1519
01:56:26,265 --> 01:56:29,765
uh, I don't know about y'all. I'm tired of hearing my friends and neighbors

1520
01:56:30,685 --> 01:56:34,605
complain about their rising electric bill. Uh, instead of paying to heat

1521
01:56:34,765 --> 01:56:36,965
your home, we can just stick a giant heater right downtown.

1522
01:56:41,865 --> 01:56:45,665
uh, the proposed data center will add over three permanent jobs to

1523
01:56:45,885 --> 01:56:49,675
our city , that

1524
01:56:49,965 --> 01:56:53,705
enable us to create videos of sonic the hedgehog kissing donkey

1525
01:56:54,125 --> 01:56:58,025
kong. Um, in all honesty, it is pretty sickening how

1526
01:56:58,265 --> 01:57:01,625
our future's being sold to big tech billionaires. Um,

1527
01:57:02,295 --> 01:57:06,205
aaron king, you ran on no new revenue, so you should probably stick

1528
01:57:06,445 --> 01:57:09,875
to that. Peter gordon, your facebook posts are tone deaf.

1529
01:57:10,865 --> 01:57:14,765
we all saw him last night. It was, it's disgusting quote. Not as bad

1530
01:57:14,925 --> 01:57:18,485
as the other data center. I'm sorry. Rough quote. Not as bad as other data centers.

1531
01:57:19,305 --> 01:57:23,185
that's not good enough for us. It's not the flex you think it is. Uh,

1532
01:57:23,495 --> 01:57:26,965
every summer since I moved here, we've been put on water restrictions

1533
01:57:28,705 --> 01:57:32,605
to told us we can't do this. We can't do that. Why? We want to add to

1534
01:57:32,725 --> 01:57:36,495
that strain. And I know they call this closed loop, but still

1535
01:57:37,115 --> 01:57:40,845
they, the energy that they consume, the power plants consume tons of water.

1536
01:57:41,705 --> 01:57:45,675
so whether it's directly on site or indirect, it's going to put a strain on our grid.

1537
01:57:46,685 --> 01:57:50,645
I have a daughter, she turns six months old today. I can see

1538
01:57:50,865 --> 01:57:54,805
the average age up here is a lot higher than that. So she's gonna have to deal with this

1539
01:57:55,205 --> 01:57:58,955
decision much longer than you guys are. I implore

1540
01:57:59,445 --> 01:58:03,125
this council to stop the madness, put in a green space, a park, anything

1541
01:58:03,705 --> 01:58:07,375
but this data center. Thank

1542
01:58:07,725 --> 01:58:07,725
you.

1543
01:58:17,115 --> 01:58:20,885
real quick, uh, point of clarification. This is not city

1544
01:58:21,165 --> 01:58:24,725
council. This is p and t. I just wanna make sure you guys know .

1545
01:58:26,305 --> 01:58:29,875
thanks for the compliment. Thank you brandon. It's a rehearsing there. It's

1546
01:58:30,365 --> 01:58:34,085
public hearing. They can say what they want. I know. I just wanna make sure this is,

1547
01:58:36,525 --> 01:58:40,115
I I was looking around. Uh, yeah, they're not up here. Alright,

1548
01:58:40,705 --> 01:58:41,805
uh, next up is hannah miller.

1549
01:58:48,055 --> 01:58:52,005
hello, my name is hannah miller and I live at three 19 black bear drive in cottonwood

1550
01:58:52,615 --> 01:58:56,525
farms. Um, a lot of the people up here have already said a lot of the things I

1551
01:58:56,645 --> 01:58:59,925
was, uh, had in mind, but I will just mention a few things.

1552
01:59:00,945 --> 01:59:04,605
um, as previously stated, we do not have a lot of data on data centers

1553
01:59:05,305 --> 01:59:09,165
and we have no idea of their long-term impacts on the environment or the

1554
01:59:09,325 --> 01:59:13,025
health of the residents who live nearby. And even if

1555
01:59:13,405 --> 01:59:16,885
zydeco is able to make good on their word and not use a lot of water or electricity,

1556
01:59:17,585 --> 01:59:20,885
it will still affect property values. People are going to look at home listings,

1557
01:59:21,665 --> 01:59:24,765
see it's close to a data center, and just scroll on by without giving it a second thought.

1558
01:59:25,825 --> 01:59:29,645
um, there are plenty of options for what to do with that land other than

1559
01:59:29,845 --> 01:59:33,565
a data center, as you said, a trail, a nature park, a bike path, a dog park.

1560
01:59:34,685 --> 01:59:38,645
I don't think the residents of huro should have to put up with poten so many potential

1561
01:59:39,325 --> 01:59:41,925
negative factors because iica wants to save some money. Thank you.

1562
01:59:50,275 --> 01:59:51,235
next up is alexander sellers.

1563
02:00:03,305 --> 02:00:07,255
hi, I am alex sellers. I live off of 2 0 8 brookside street in hu town square north.

1564
02:00:07,945 --> 02:00:11,605
um, I am opposed to it obviously. Unlike the very, very few people

1565
02:00:11,965 --> 02:00:15,605
that are here at the fort. Um, there are some concerns with data centers.

1566
02:00:16,005 --> 02:00:19,145
I come from a background in cybersecurity engineering. I've worked at data centers myself.

1567
02:00:20,265 --> 02:00:24,245
um, they do come with busy construction. Now, as we all know, limmer loop and ed

1568
02:00:24,285 --> 02:00:28,145
schmidt are both two lane roads. They, um, the two

1569
02:00:28,365 --> 02:00:32,005
comparables they gave both sbe and switch are adjacent to toll

1570
02:00:32,405 --> 02:00:35,965
road 45 feeder roads. And if you look at the map, it's close to I 35

1571
02:00:36,465 --> 02:00:40,365
as well. So you have easy access. Now with this, it does

1572
02:00:40,525 --> 02:00:44,275
not bring many jobs. Once it's completed, it's gonna bring 20 to 40 maxs. That

1573
02:00:44,565 --> 02:00:48,065
includes a standard number of five to seven people of the size of the data center for

1574
02:00:49,605 --> 02:00:53,605
security onsite technicians and then it specialists. So

1575
02:00:53,765 --> 02:00:57,645
these are gonna be very specialized roles, um, which probably won't be coming from this,

1576
02:00:57,825 --> 02:01:01,385
uh, this community. Um, this also removes the pillar

1577
02:01:01,905 --> 02:01:05,885
for highest quality of life here for hu um, the bi. Now, during conversation

1578
02:01:06,445 --> 02:01:10,325
they had with rhoa, they brought up a, uh, a motion saying that

1579
02:01:10,625 --> 02:01:14,425
the buyers and use, uh, and users of the data center can help the

1580
02:01:14,645 --> 02:01:18,005
community. Do you want amazon meta? Who's facebook at instagram,

1581
02:01:18,665 --> 02:01:21,525
or even google to come in here and have a say on your community meetings?

1582
02:01:22,745 --> 02:01:26,545
no. Um, this land cannot be reclaimed once the zone has

1583
02:01:26,765 --> 02:01:30,605
been used for data center for up to eight to 10. Uh, after, you know, it becomes

1584
02:01:31,045 --> 02:01:34,875
redundant. Eight to 10 years. It takes a long time to have this all this ripped out, have

1585
02:01:35,165 --> 02:01:38,485
it destroyed, taken down. There's gonna be batteries. It has to be an environmental impact

1586
02:01:39,205 --> 02:01:42,425
analysis done. Um, the, uh,

1587
02:01:43,755 --> 02:01:47,685
there's not, they have not specified what kind of data center is gonna be built. Obviously it's

1588
02:01:47,925 --> 02:01:51,235
roughly after the ramp up period, probably about 70, uh, megawatts.

1589
02:01:52,265 --> 02:01:55,545
um, besides it not being used for ai farming or,

1590
02:01:56,345 --> 02:02:00,225
um, bitcoin mining, um, zydeco does not have a user for the data center yet.

1591
02:02:00,545 --> 02:02:04,425
but if it is a compute data center, the refresh is every five to 10 years. Now

1592
02:02:04,645 --> 02:02:08,565
that's overtime and it's not some dude driving up in a truck, you know, his little, uh, f-150

1593
02:02:09,185 --> 02:02:12,875
or, um, silverado and dropping off a couple of units, like

1594
02:02:13,205 --> 02:02:17,085
a couple of computers. It's semis coming in there, unloading, loading, leaving.

1595
02:02:17,865 --> 02:02:21,365
if it's data storage data center, the refresh is every three to six years.

1596
02:02:22,185 --> 02:02:26,025
um, that number is actually, I can't remember the website's name, but they, um, do

1597
02:02:26,625 --> 02:02:30,485
impact for hard drives. Um, so that number is a hundred percent accurate.

1598
02:02:30,985 --> 02:02:34,985
the risk, um, sies second building just had a fire at

1599
02:02:35,215 --> 02:02:38,965
their, um, battery storage facility. I'm sure someone else is gonna bring this up soon.

1600
02:02:39,625 --> 02:02:43,135
um, the negative impacts of just that, um, alone,

1601
02:02:44,305 --> 02:02:48,285
it, you know, requires cleanup environmental repairs for quite some time. This is

1602
02:02:48,365 --> 02:02:52,165
obviously a one off, but what happens if it happens here? Um, next to this

1603
02:02:52,565 --> 02:02:56,365
neighborhood now mentioned in their request and part of the

1604
02:02:56,805 --> 02:03:00,435
documentation they have under item six criteria, the proposed future land does,

1605
02:03:00,825 --> 02:03:04,405
uh, use, does not create a public nuisance or have adverse impact on surrounding properties

1606
02:03:05,185 --> 02:03:09,125
or, uh, the natural environment. Justification of the nearby residents are aware of the intended to use

1607
02:03:09,245 --> 02:03:13,165
the property and largely support the change, which, uh, recognizes the facts that

1608
02:03:13,565 --> 02:03:16,965
intended land use is not a nuisance nor will have an adverse impact.

1609
02:03:17,965 --> 02:03:21,685
I don't know who they talked to besides peter gordon. Um, as attached on the,

1610
02:03:22,025 --> 02:03:25,485
uh, the agenda packet, there are many individuals living within the direct impact,

1611
02:03:26,065 --> 02:03:29,805
um, impacted area that it provided feedback objecting to

1612
02:03:30,125 --> 02:03:34,125
the rezoning. Now I live 2,300 feet away. I've seen

1613
02:03:34,245 --> 02:03:38,125
quite a few of my neighbors that are on the exact same street as me. I'm sure they're all here to oppose it

1614
02:03:38,285 --> 02:03:42,165
as well. Um, now going back to the hu pillar for create the

1615
02:03:42,325 --> 02:03:46,285
highest quality of life next to the switch data center, which again, off of the,

1616
02:03:46,985 --> 02:03:50,325
um, toll road 45 next to I 35, it is

1617
02:03:51,005 --> 02:03:54,825
directly north to of the dell, um, campus.

1618
02:03:56,515 --> 02:04:00,245
looking at one of the houses there, 2302 stratford drive

1619
02:04:00,745 --> 02:04:04,685
in round rock. The house directly north. Um, or no, this

1620
02:04:04,805 --> 02:04:08,725
one was directly east of that data center. So this would directly impact

1621
02:04:09,045 --> 02:04:12,965
the houses along in hu town square south. That house was

1622
02:04:13,165 --> 02:04:16,965
built in 1985. Those houses along that strip were built in 2012.

1623
02:04:18,385 --> 02:04:22,165
by that logic, I'm no real estate agent, but I have worked in real estate appraisal

1624
02:04:22,405 --> 02:04:26,325
in the past. Um, that is not a comparable, I don't know what they're looking at,

1625
02:04:26,485 --> 02:04:30,475
but that is not a comparable. Um, now looking at the next

1626
02:04:30,825 --> 02:04:34,485
one, there was the, um, se the houses there

1627
02:04:34,835 --> 02:04:38,465
were built in 2002, 2004, 2005. Um,

1628
02:04:39,025 --> 02:04:42,125
all north of the se building two, which is still being developed.

1629
02:04:43,185 --> 02:04:46,905
um, along all of those, if we're gonna remove everything else, taking

1630
02:04:47,465 --> 02:04:51,285
the exact impact on the housing values since the se

1631
02:04:51,545 --> 02:04:55,345
campus one was built and launched in october of 2024, um,

1632
02:04:56,065 --> 02:04:59,805
we have a negative home valuation of eight and a half percent.

1633
02:05:01,545 --> 02:05:05,085
wow. Now, um, with all of that,

1634
02:05:06,355 --> 02:05:10,325
with hu town square being where it is, limmer and at schmidt, all those homes

1635
02:05:10,595 --> 02:05:13,165
were built well after 2020, uh, 20 14, 20 15.

1636
02:05:14,755 --> 02:05:18,105
they're not near busy road, uh, busy roads. And again, they're all newer. So

1637
02:05:18,905 --> 02:05:21,405
I'm gonna leave that there. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you.

1638
02:05:28,235 --> 02:05:30,995
alright, next up we have david, uh, caballero,

1639
02:05:39,225 --> 02:05:43,105
how are you? My name is, uh, david caballero. I'm on 7 1 7 gray fox

1640
02:05:43,395 --> 02:05:47,365
loop. Um, I'm a registered architect as well for the state of texas. Um, so I, I

1641
02:05:47,485 --> 02:05:51,405
do wanna compliment the developer, ms. Meeks as well. I've been in a lot of these forums and it's very

1642
02:05:51,525 --> 02:05:54,975
difficult sometimes, especially with community members, but I, I appreciate you come out and presenting.

1643
02:05:56,025 --> 02:06:00,005
um, even though I am ag against the, the data center as well, um, as well

1644
02:06:00,125 --> 02:06:03,565
as everybody else. So, you know, I, I did make the signs too and kind of passed 'em out. So sorry for that.

1645
02:06:04,245 --> 02:06:08,005
. Um, what can I say that hasn't been said?

1646
02:06:08,505 --> 02:06:12,055
um, I think a lot of my concerns is obviously the, the rising utility costs.

1647
02:06:12,945 --> 02:06:16,925
um, but mainly is just location. I mean, I, I think when you look at the

1648
02:06:17,045 --> 02:06:21,045
site and you're in between the, the two large community investments, right? Even with

1649
02:06:21,245 --> 02:06:25,085
cottonwood farms at, at the, at the top corner, um, you're asking

1650
02:06:25,385 --> 02:06:29,165
to bring this facility into our neighborhood, into our community, and then

1651
02:06:29,525 --> 02:06:33,445
repeatedly the developer repeats, hey, we're, we're here to be a good neighbor, right? But, but you're

1652
02:06:33,685 --> 02:06:37,685
asking us to accept this prison in our neighborhood, right? Something we

1653
02:06:37,885 --> 02:06:41,885
can't access that shielded has no community input. No community

1654
02:06:42,365 --> 02:06:46,055
resources that gives back to the community. It just benefits the taxes, right?

1655
02:06:47,105 --> 02:06:51,005
but it doesn't benefit us, right? So how do, how can we,

1656
02:06:51,545 --> 02:06:55,525
you know, justify it? Justify it? There we go. Thanks, thanks for

1657
02:06:55,685 --> 02:06:59,485
that. And so that, that's my main concern. 'cause the only thing that I'm seeing is like, now you're

1658
02:06:59,765 --> 02:07:03,605
reducing our home prices, right? I get, hey, you're, you're, you're trying to keep, no, we're

1659
02:07:03,885 --> 02:07:07,885
not raising tax rates. That's our, that's our big goal for, for this year, right? And you're trying to find any way

1660
02:07:08,085 --> 02:07:12,045
to do it, right? But what you're not seeing is that you're doing it by lowering

1661
02:07:12,405 --> 02:07:16,325
our home prices, increasing our utility rates, and you're not making it sustainable as for us to

1662
02:07:16,485 --> 02:07:19,725
be here, right? Or to even make it a livable place where we want to be here,

1663
02:07:21,575 --> 02:07:25,545
right? And so, I, I get, it's not a desirable area. Um,

1664
02:07:25,765 --> 02:07:29,445
you're looking at the small piece of land that, that has all those utilities and easements run through it,

1665
02:07:30,025 --> 02:07:34,025
but it's such a crown piece and it's such a crown jewel. Um,

1666
02:07:34,245 --> 02:07:37,935
that's nestled in between, in between neighborhoods that can be better than a david center, right?

1667
02:07:38,305 --> 02:07:42,125
and I think it's our responsibility to find a better piece, a better jewel

1668
02:07:42,405 --> 02:07:45,845
that you want to place in the community, right? And that's our responsibility

1669
02:07:47,865 --> 02:07:51,725
and that's what we're here for, right? And so that, that's my piece. That's all, that's

1670
02:07:51,925 --> 02:07:52,635
all I say. It's,

1671
02:08:01,585 --> 02:08:02,805
uh, next up is nick clark.

1672
02:08:10,555 --> 02:08:12,205
good evening everybody. Good evening.

1673
02:08:14,825 --> 02:08:18,665
so we're doing my best not to belabor all the wonderful points that have been made tonight. Uh, I'm

1674
02:08:18,885 --> 02:08:22,725
obviously in the camp of no data center, so shout out to all my friends here for that.

1675
02:08:23,745 --> 02:08:27,465
um, hey, whoop, um, sorry, a and m brad. Um,

1676
02:08:28,065 --> 02:08:32,045
hey, but so I just wanna add a little color to a couple of things that have been

1677
02:08:32,165 --> 02:08:36,125
discussed here and put 'em into some context that maybe more people can quantify

1678
02:08:36,285 --> 02:08:39,915
and understand. So when we're talking about power, what was proposed is about 70 megawatts,

1679
02:08:40,525 --> 02:08:44,485
right? So if we wanna talk about megawatts, 20 megawatts can power upwards of 15,000

1680
02:08:45,085 --> 02:08:48,965
residential homes, right? So in hu, and this is based

1681
02:08:49,125 --> 02:08:53,125
on quick google, this 15,000 homes represents most of the

1682
02:08:53,205 --> 02:08:56,715
residential homes in hudu. So we're talking 20 megawatts

1683
02:08:57,325 --> 02:09:01,245
versus 70. So we're talking almost triple, actually more than triple

1684
02:09:01,555 --> 02:09:04,805
what the actual residential energy cost of the entire neighborhoods

1685
02:09:05,905 --> 02:09:09,805
of hudu. Put that in context. That's more than every one of our homes

1686
02:09:10,705 --> 02:09:14,685
for one building. And then when you talk about the electrical

1687
02:09:14,805 --> 02:09:18,515
infrastructure was mentioned earlier, there's benefits to where they have moved this location. They're

1688
02:09:19,005 --> 02:09:22,965
trying to save themselves money and not have to pay for infrastructure. That is the ultimate

1689
02:09:23,125 --> 02:09:27,005
goal of the developer. I work in construction, so I understand the angle and I

1690
02:09:27,445 --> 02:09:30,445
actually appreciate it. But the problem is, as I was mentioned before,

1691
02:09:32,305 --> 02:09:36,105
the trends show across the entire country. When these data centers are built, the

1692
02:09:36,385 --> 02:09:40,005
end users subsidize the cost. And I'm not talking about direct infrastructure

1693
02:09:40,485 --> 02:09:44,365
that the developer may pay on site to handle the power that they're bringing

1694
02:09:44,705 --> 02:09:48,485
to their facility. But we're talking about what encore at their plants,

1695
02:09:49,425 --> 02:09:53,425
at the overall distribution, any cost that they have to increase to

1696
02:09:53,885 --> 02:09:57,845
generate power for this plant, that ends up going to every end user within this

1697
02:09:58,125 --> 02:10:01,525
area via their electrical providers. So you will see those incremental

1698
02:10:02,265 --> 02:10:06,205
up upticks and they won't tell you why. You'll just, most of the people here,

1699
02:10:06,795 --> 02:10:10,565
they're, they're here, they active, they probably look at their bills, but most of the other residents

1700
02:10:10,845 --> 02:10:14,705
in this town, they won't look, they won't understand. They'll just question why they're at bills or

1701
02:10:15,185 --> 02:10:19,165
harder to meet. So that's power. Then I

1702
02:10:19,245 --> 02:10:23,165
wanna get into water. Obviously they have a closed cooled system, which is very,

1703
02:10:23,365 --> 02:10:27,345
very, very efficient. I've worked on a couple of these buildings that have it, it is great. But

1704
02:10:27,565 --> 02:10:31,085
when we already have data centers in town, taking ca taking up our resources,

1705
02:10:31,825 --> 02:10:35,585
we want to add another thing that's gonna take up our resources. That's

1706
02:10:36,005 --> 02:10:39,545
just a simple question. I'm gonna leave, I'm not gonna get into the numbers when we already have these things taking

1707
02:10:40,065 --> 02:10:43,995
our, taking our resources. Do we want to exacerbate the problem? Something

1708
02:10:44,605 --> 02:10:48,425
else I was mentioned earlier is the, uh, the health, the, the

1709
02:10:48,645 --> 02:10:52,565
issues that this, the health impacts of this development could have. In a study done

1710
02:10:52,805 --> 02:10:56,685
by richard klein of the community and environmental defense services, they found that data

1711
02:10:56,845 --> 02:11:00,625
centers pose negative health risks to those living within even just a half mile radius

1712
02:11:01,265 --> 02:11:04,935
due to the emission of nitrogen dioxide and fine particulate matter. These

1713
02:11:05,285 --> 02:11:09,105
aren't just technical stats. Even the national institute of health links that these particles to

1714
02:11:09,425 --> 02:11:13,425
the thousand or lead two thousands of premature deaths annually. If

1715
02:11:13,645 --> 02:11:17,565
you guys are accused for a real life example in south memphis, the time magazine reported

1716
02:11:17,745 --> 02:11:20,725
on a large scale data center by, uh, xai,

1717
02:11:21,915 --> 02:11:25,755
that had reported that residents were experiencing severe respiratory

1718
02:11:26,445 --> 02:11:30,285
illnesses such as copd, as a direct result of nearby data

1719
02:11:30,485 --> 02:11:34,245
center pollution. And when what was mentioned earlier is whenever the power goes out,

1720
02:11:34,795 --> 02:11:38,515
it's great that the power grid will not take power from the homes and give

1721
02:11:38,805 --> 02:11:42,605
it to the data center and they will be forced to use generators. But as it was mentioned,

1722
02:11:42,845 --> 02:11:46,835
these generators are giant. These guys have a 70 megawatt facility. Some

1723
02:11:47,125 --> 02:11:50,795
of the largest generators I've worked with are three to four, um, megawatts,

1724
02:11:51,405 --> 02:11:55,405
and they're as big as a shipping container. So you gotta imagine they're gonna

1725
02:11:55,525 --> 02:11:59,365
have dozens of these things. And when, if the power goes out for multiple days, like

1726
02:11:59,605 --> 02:12:03,465
we had in the great freeze of 2021, all those powers or all

1727
02:12:03,685 --> 02:12:07,245
those generators are gonna run 24 7. And gus, who's gonna be breathing

1728
02:12:07,825 --> 02:12:11,245
all that smog, all the pollution, the kids at the schools,

1729
02:12:11,905 --> 02:12:15,705
the neighborhoods, and anyone going nearby that facility. So

1730
02:12:15,925 --> 02:12:19,805
think about that. So one more thing to add is,

1731
02:12:19,965 --> 02:12:23,625
furthermore that the cambridge university study of 6,000 projects across

1732
02:12:24,305 --> 02:12:28,245
the united states who did in fact create heat islands where the surface temperatures

1733
02:12:28,885 --> 02:12:32,745
were raised by an average of 3.6 degrees and in some cases raise the

1734
02:12:32,965 --> 02:12:36,965
temperature upwards of 15 degrees. So for anyone that is, has a green thumb in

1735
02:12:37,165 --> 02:12:40,845
plants, plants, I hope we don't plan on planting anything new. This data center just saying.

1736
02:12:42,225 --> 02:12:45,685
and finally, I gotta ask, what does hu really get in exchange for this

1737
02:12:46,415 --> 02:12:49,525
giant risk to our resources, our health, even our local temperatures

1738
02:12:50,615 --> 02:12:54,605
we're asking for uh, meager 10, 15 jobs. Not even

1739
02:12:54,765 --> 02:12:56,165
accounting, if any of them are remote.

1740
02:12:59,625 --> 02:13:03,365
the temporary construction surge will not be staffed by our

1741
02:13:03,685 --> 02:13:07,645
neighbors. It's not gonna be many people from huda. It's gonna be people from out of town.

1742
02:13:08,195 --> 02:13:12,005
it's gonna be people from the area, and you're even out of state. Those are gonna be the people that build those jobs.

1743
02:13:13,185 --> 02:13:17,045
and when the cranes are gone and the dust settles, all we're gonna be left

1744
02:13:17,245 --> 02:13:21,125
is with a giant eyesore. We're gonna have something that sucks

1745
02:13:21,385 --> 02:13:24,525
our resources and potentially puts the health of our children at risk.

1746
02:13:26,035 --> 02:13:29,885
guys, just so everyone know, understands, again, I'm a construction manager. I work on these projects

1747
02:13:30,205 --> 02:13:34,105
all the time. I'm very pro-development. I really am. Um, I'm

1748
02:13:34,325 --> 02:13:38,245
arguing against this project and for the fact that I am pro-development, should really speak

1749
02:13:38,485 --> 02:13:42,265
volumes about these types of projects and data centers in general. Excuse

1750
02:13:42,685 --> 02:13:46,485
me, in general. Um, and my parents live here.

1751
02:13:47,205 --> 02:13:51,165
I live here with my wife, my two kids who are under five years old. I plan to

1752
02:13:51,325 --> 02:13:55,165
be here a really long time, and I really care about the prosperity of this town and this community.

1753
02:13:55,905 --> 02:13:59,765
and I'm obviously, everyone here feels the same way. So I hope that you

1754
02:13:59,925 --> 02:14:03,805
guys make your voices heard, make some considerations on that this is really the

1755
02:14:03,965 --> 02:14:07,845
right thing for the city. As I've been sitting here listening to everyone speak, I keep looking at these tenants

1756
02:14:08,205 --> 02:14:12,125
and these pillars of our community that we claim to uphold, grow responsibly

1757
02:14:12,685 --> 02:14:16,685
and sustainably, and create the highest quality of life. Do we really believe that we're offering the

1758
02:14:16,805 --> 02:14:20,725
highest quality of life to these neighborhoods and these schools and these children by putting a data center

1759
02:14:20,965 --> 02:14:24,265
right next to 'em? I don't think so, guys. So

1760
02:14:25,415 --> 02:14:27,005
thank you. Thank you.

1761
02:14:34,905 --> 02:14:36,905
uh, next up is charmaine hadley.

1762
02:14:43,345 --> 02:14:47,245
and it's shannon bradley. Um, no, pretty

1763
02:14:47,645 --> 02:14:50,045
sure. It's pretty sure it's hadley .

1764
02:14:52,375 --> 02:14:56,285
hello, I'm, um, charmaine hadley. 10 10, hey, needle loop in, uh, caramel

1765
02:14:56,695 --> 02:15:00,645
creek. Um, a lot of people have said everything I wanted to

1766
02:15:00,765 --> 02:15:04,625
say as well. Um, but I do wanna throw some things out there for everyone who

1767
02:15:05,075 --> 02:15:06,545
does not know. Um,

1768
02:15:11,505 --> 02:15:15,475
as early as 2026, texas has over

1769
02:15:15,915 --> 02:15:19,595
79 to 200 plus operating data

1770
02:15:20,415 --> 02:15:24,375
facilities, okay? As of march, 2026,

1771
02:15:26,425 --> 02:15:30,375
we lead the us with 140 data centers under

1772
02:15:31,165 --> 02:15:34,805
construction. They're not even up yet. A lot of the times.

1773
02:15:35,745 --> 02:15:39,185
um, this gentleman right over here, I forgot your name, but

1774
02:15:39,865 --> 02:15:43,605
do you live here? Do you live in the community in which that data center

1775
02:15:43,905 --> 02:15:47,285
is gonna be built at, behind, around, or near it?

1776
02:15:48,065 --> 02:15:51,965
or are you just here temporarily to do what it is that you need to do? Because

1777
02:15:52,385 --> 02:15:55,965
if you don't live here and you're not living in those, uh, communities

1778
02:15:56,905 --> 02:16:00,885
behind and or around where that data center is going to be, I highly

1779
02:16:01,295 --> 02:16:05,205
doubt you should be here trying to tell us as residents

1780
02:16:05,555 --> 02:16:07,645
that we should allow you in. That is not right.

1781
02:16:14,565 --> 02:16:18,485
I, when I do not mean to interrupt mm-hmm . But if you

1782
02:16:18,605 --> 02:16:22,605
could address okay. Us no problem. Opposed audience. I, you know, I was

1783
02:16:22,685 --> 02:16:25,025
just, just saying, um,

1784
02:16:27,775 --> 02:16:31,325
water. Everyone has talked here about water for homes, businesses.

1785
02:16:31,915 --> 02:16:34,855
what about ag? What about our farms?

1786
02:16:36,155 --> 02:16:39,665
okay. One of the biggest things that we are concerned about as

1787
02:16:40,365 --> 02:16:43,725
residents, as anyone living here in the united states of america, is the fact that

1788
02:16:44,745 --> 02:16:48,565
the cost of our food three years ago is not what the cost of our food is

1789
02:16:48,765 --> 02:16:52,645
today. We need our local farmers to help keep this

1790
02:16:52,885 --> 02:16:56,845
city going the way that it's going. Okay? So think

1791
02:16:57,125 --> 02:17:00,885
about the water that they need to help those farms keep

1792
02:17:01,165 --> 02:17:04,965
going. And the water that quote unquote right now may not

1793
02:17:05,745 --> 02:17:09,515
be allocated towards those data centers right now. Well, this

1794
02:17:09,805 --> 02:17:12,645
particular data center right now, but it will,

1795
02:17:14,105 --> 02:17:17,065
it definitely will. Water adds up. It,

1796
02:17:18,835 --> 02:17:22,805
it's gonna evaporate faster at the data center than it is in the ground

1797
02:17:23,135 --> 02:17:26,845
where it needs to be on our fruits, our vegetables for our animals,

1798
02:17:27,465 --> 02:17:31,325
for our kids, for these schools. I don't have, I don't wanna have

1799
02:17:31,525 --> 02:17:35,525
to worry about our kids getting sick at school

1800
02:17:35,885 --> 02:17:39,425
because of the drinking water. I don't, I already hear people

1801
02:17:40,345 --> 02:17:43,885
or see people talking about on the ring app and everywhere else.

1802
02:17:44,665 --> 02:17:48,525
hey, my water stinks. Why is the

1803
02:17:48,685 --> 02:17:52,545
water shut off? Why is this happening? What, so why are we wanting to

1804
02:17:52,765 --> 02:17:56,745
bring another data center in? Doesn't make any sense. The

1805
02:17:56,965 --> 02:18:00,685
employment number for data centers, there are more people who are employed

1806
02:18:01,315 --> 02:18:05,315
than there are people who are actually going to run it. It's really fast

1807
02:18:05,625 --> 02:18:09,525
for someone to say, hey, we're gonna hire about 800 people to go ahead

1808
02:18:09,765 --> 02:18:13,345
and put this all together. But out of those 800 people, nine times outta 10,

1809
02:18:14,025 --> 02:18:18,005
10% of them 10%, and based upon the size,

1810
02:18:18,245 --> 02:18:21,525
it's going to be smaller. So there are no jobs

1811
02:18:22,315 --> 02:18:24,925
that are coming after this data center is built.

1812
02:18:26,715 --> 02:18:30,545
okay? Um, you

1813
02:18:30,765 --> 02:18:34,765
talking about the, the backup generators, gas is through the roof,

1814
02:18:36,025 --> 02:18:39,885
is gas is through the roof. I pay $4

1815
02:18:40,785 --> 02:18:44,485
and change for gas. And you're

1816
02:18:44,805 --> 02:18:47,925
telling me they're going to have backup generators available

1817
02:18:49,475 --> 02:18:53,405
just for their buildings when no one else

1818
02:18:53,665 --> 02:18:57,585
is going to be able to benefit from it. If the power goes out, no

1819
02:18:57,805 --> 02:19:01,555
one, but we're gonna benefit from the pollution. We're gonna benefit from

1820
02:19:01,845 --> 02:19:05,725
the sickness. We're gonna benefit from everything else in a, in a matter of, there's

1821
02:19:06,165 --> 02:19:10,165
none of us gonna be here. We're all gonna be gone. You wanna know why? 'cause

1822
02:19:10,285 --> 02:19:14,205
either people are going to move, because no one

1823
02:19:14,325 --> 02:19:18,165
wants to live by a data center. No one. I

1824
02:19:18,435 --> 02:19:22,325
guarantee you, if the data center was going up across the street from

1825
02:19:22,605 --> 02:19:26,325
your homes, you would be sitting right in this crowd with us.

1826
02:19:27,345 --> 02:19:28,025
so, I mean, that's,

1827
02:19:36,395 --> 02:19:37,845
yeah, that's really all I got for right now.

1828
02:19:45,225 --> 02:19:46,405
uh, next up we have dennis kaufman.

1829
02:19:59,235 --> 02:20:03,025
hello. Um, I am opposed of the data center, uh, live

1830
02:20:03,265 --> 02:20:07,135
in emory farms subdivision. Um, a lot of the points have been

1831
02:20:07,425 --> 02:20:11,265
made. Um, but I will say, um, you, this lady here is talking about,

1832
02:20:11,505 --> 02:20:15,345
you know, what kind of data center I'm gonna tell you right now, I sell high end servers and stuff

1833
02:20:15,645 --> 02:20:19,585
for my job. If you're talking about closed loops for data center, you're talking about

1834
02:20:20,235 --> 02:20:23,845
stuff that's not gonna be just running the mill server stuff. Um, so

1835
02:20:24,805 --> 02:20:28,705
if they're trying to tell you, oh, you know, it might be easy for something small, it's not gonna take a whole lot of energy.

1836
02:20:29,895 --> 02:20:32,965
they're, they're pulling the pool over your eyes. Um,

1837
02:20:34,085 --> 02:20:38,025
and on top of that, um, you know, I, I like to, obviously I'm invested because I like

1838
02:20:38,185 --> 02:20:42,145
to sell the stuff to 'em, right? But being in the middle of the city, that doesn't make any

1839
02:20:42,305 --> 02:20:46,105
damn sense. Um, and property value, someone's

1840
02:20:46,785 --> 02:20:50,735
actually mentioned, um, I actually talked to some of my customers that live in, up in ohio and pennsylvania that

1841
02:20:51,025 --> 02:20:54,105
has data centers. You can bet the bottom line, they can't sell their houses

1842
02:20:55,295 --> 02:20:59,225
next to the data center. So, um, heat, I

1843
02:20:59,345 --> 02:21:03,145
mean, to the gentleman over, there's, you know, probably try and say something

1844
02:21:03,425 --> 02:21:07,105
else. I I shouldn't have to tell him about laws of thermodynamics. Right? Energy

1845
02:21:07,505 --> 02:21:11,405
can't be lost and created. The heat's going to rise somehow, right? And

1846
02:21:11,625 --> 02:21:15,505
you gotta take care of it somehow, whether it's water, which, if it's a closed loop,

1847
02:21:15,945 --> 02:21:19,945
probably not. But they're gonna be running filters and pumps and everything else. And then

1848
02:21:20,065 --> 02:21:22,745
eventually you're gonna have to do maintenance on that closed loop.

1849
02:21:24,445 --> 02:21:28,305
so, you know, whether it's the first time they, they take however many gallons they need,

1850
02:21:28,535 --> 02:21:32,195
they're eventually gonna have to do something else with it, because they're gonna have to deal with leaks.

1851
02:21:32,545 --> 02:21:35,845
they're gonna have to deal with maintenance, um, and outcomes and other things. So,

1852
02:21:36,925 --> 02:21:40,905
um, that's it. Like I said, I think I wish the other guy was here. 'cause I would've tell 'em that three

1853
02:21:41,385 --> 02:21:45,025
permanent jobs. Yeah, they're probably gonna be remote, but yeah. . Thank you.

1854
02:21:50,165 --> 02:21:51,115
uh, next up is helen kaufman.

1855
02:22:02,245 --> 02:22:06,155
hi, helen kaufman, spouse of that man. We've

1856
02:22:06,505 --> 02:22:10,465
lived here in emory farms at 100 emory farms or emory fields

1857
02:22:10,755 --> 02:22:13,665
drive corner of emory farms and emory fields.

1858
02:22:14,885 --> 02:22:18,745
we were the original owners of that land when there was cows to the west of

1859
02:22:18,945 --> 02:22:22,665
us, cows to the north of us, and nothing but maybe 10 other

1860
02:22:23,205 --> 02:22:26,965
houses in that neighborhood. We have lived here that long.

1861
02:22:27,355 --> 02:22:31,045
that is the first time that man has spoken publicly, even though he is felt

1862
02:22:31,845 --> 02:22:35,765
passionately. And, and this is more of his field. I agree

1863
02:22:36,085 --> 02:22:39,925
with most everything that's already been said as far as concerns about the environment,

1864
02:22:40,625 --> 02:22:44,465
the electrical, um, the sound, et

1865
02:22:44,685 --> 02:22:47,905
cetera. I think what I can add,

1866
02:22:50,025 --> 02:22:53,245
uh, is in regards to aesthetics and history,

1867
02:22:54,135 --> 02:22:57,585
where the community has consistently come out and spoken in regards to

1868
02:22:58,315 --> 02:23:02,015
what do we want from the city, and why that was zoned

1869
02:23:02,365 --> 02:23:06,045
that way. And then also something for you to consider,

1870
02:23:06,385 --> 02:23:09,765
not just why that site, but why we as a city was attractive to them.

1871
02:23:10,705 --> 02:23:14,005
um, I'm gonna borrow upon knowledge that I'm not an engineer.

1872
02:23:14,865 --> 02:23:17,965
um, I've worked in many careers, uh, but I have friends

1873
02:23:19,115 --> 02:23:23,005
that are very knowledgeable. One of them worked for the us department of energy.

1874
02:23:24,825 --> 02:23:28,725
he has a doctorate in engineering, electrical engineering, a doctorate

1875
02:23:29,675 --> 02:23:33,505
also for fun in astrophysics. Uh, he used to set

1876
02:23:33,725 --> 02:23:37,665
the us agenda for, at the international energy summits in geneva. He

1877
02:23:37,885 --> 02:23:41,885
gave me, uh, a couple websites I paste on fa, facebook. And I'd like to

1878
02:23:42,005 --> 02:23:45,845
pass this around to each of you, uh, on the board that demonstrates,

1879
02:23:48,065 --> 02:23:51,965
uh, the lighter of the lines is how the general increases,

1880
02:23:52,985 --> 02:23:56,965
uh, with energy in communities have gone, and then those with

1881
02:23:57,365 --> 02:24:01,225
data centers, how that's increased, about double that. If

1882
02:24:01,465 --> 02:24:04,485
you could hand that to manny, he'll pass 'em around. Thank you.

1883
02:24:07,225 --> 02:24:10,745
um, so that, that friend of mine I spoke of, uh,

1884
02:24:11,285 --> 02:24:14,305
jonathan williams, uh, he provided me this website, um,

1885
02:24:15,505 --> 02:24:18,705
and, and links, um, that, uh, is

1886
02:24:19,565 --> 02:24:22,285
provided by the bureau of labor statistics

1887
02:24:23,635 --> 02:24:27,145
that have historically provided us

1888
02:24:28,005 --> 02:24:31,865
analysis and critiques of data that evaluates trends and,

1889
02:24:32,665 --> 02:24:36,585
um, and, uh, critiques on

1890
02:24:36,805 --> 02:24:40,045
things that affect inflation. Of course, electric use is part of that.

1891
02:24:40,945 --> 02:24:44,725
so this is putting data in front of your faces. I'm, I'm not gonna speak

1892
02:24:45,005 --> 02:24:48,565
for the data too much, except you can see that as our technology

1893
02:24:49,105 --> 02:24:53,015
and knowledge of this early adopters still

1894
02:24:53,485 --> 02:24:57,345
a proof in concept, uh, in many communities. As, as

1895
02:24:57,565 --> 02:25:01,565
they were talking about, technology's evolving. Well, that may be the case, but developers

1896
02:25:02,065 --> 02:25:05,885
are always going for the bottom line. And sometimes budgets cut and things change. They

1897
02:25:06,125 --> 02:25:07,765
don't always make the best choices for communities.

1898
02:25:10,555 --> 02:25:14,525
when we moved in, we liked hu to, it appealed to us because it was

1899
02:25:14,685 --> 02:25:18,545
a city that liked the aesthetics. It knew its location was maybe not

1900
02:25:18,765 --> 02:25:22,265
the big shaker mover. Maybe they won't, won't always have big, uh,

1901
02:25:22,965 --> 02:25:26,365
employers, but it would be a quality life where family could go from very early

1902
02:25:27,225 --> 02:25:31,205
all the way to retirement. The reason why, way back when holland

1903
02:25:31,665 --> 02:25:35,545
was a mayor, that time and time again, we've showed up to say, hey,

1904
02:25:35,765 --> 02:25:39,475
we want multi-family is because we want people to have options

1905
02:25:40,275 --> 02:25:43,925
whether they can't afford, which is becoming harder and harder, single family

1906
02:25:44,295 --> 02:25:47,885
homes, or they're at the point of downsizing into retirement to be near

1907
02:25:48,405 --> 02:25:52,405
grandkids, et cetera. We want that quality of life. We also wanted to

1908
02:25:52,605 --> 02:25:56,485
have neighborhoods that connect, sort of like a circuit, so that eventually

1909
02:25:56,885 --> 02:26:00,845
would have that walkable space. When we bought,

1910
02:26:01,185 --> 02:26:05,165
we thought neighborhoods would be built around us. I'm not gonna

1911
02:26:05,335 --> 02:26:08,885
speak ill of anybody on, on, on this committee

1912
02:26:10,025 --> 02:26:13,815
or on the board, but in the past time and time again,

1913
02:26:14,225 --> 02:26:17,365
my neighborhood has been told things that have not come out. True,

1914
02:26:19,715 --> 02:26:23,565
true developers have made promises and they failed. And then the city said,

1915
02:26:23,845 --> 02:26:27,765
well, they promised us it. And they said they'd be open to, but we really, our hands are tied

1916
02:26:28,105 --> 02:26:31,955
now. So forgive

1917
02:26:32,445 --> 02:26:36,105
me, but I cannot extend trust again on something that hits so

1918
02:26:36,645 --> 02:26:39,965
many ways to our community as a whole

1919
02:26:40,755 --> 02:26:44,005
that makes emory farms an isolated

1920
02:26:45,065 --> 02:26:48,885
island and abandoned as a neighborhood surrounded

1921
02:26:49,205 --> 02:26:53,025
by industrial when it comes to development. Yes,

1922
02:26:53,595 --> 02:26:57,445
that interchange is very busy and it's traffic. But here's the thing that

1923
02:26:57,605 --> 02:27:01,585
we're told about emory fields and why it had to be connected and why

1924
02:27:01,875 --> 02:27:05,825
that, um, uh, you know, road had

1925
02:27:06,045 --> 02:27:09,845
to continue is because it was a thoroughfare in case there was traffic jams. We need alternative

1926
02:27:10,485 --> 02:27:14,485
routes. When you have a neighborhood put in there, it could potentially connect to the

1927
02:27:14,605 --> 02:27:18,445
other neighborhoods. And if limmer loop or ed schmidt gets blocked out,

1928
02:27:18,645 --> 02:27:21,275
it gives some other alternatives for police, fire

1929
02:27:22,845 --> 02:27:26,565
families to get through, to get home to their kids, to pick them up, to make dinner,

1930
02:27:27,025 --> 02:27:30,605
to, to crow the crops, take their care. As far as the easement, my neighborhood

1931
02:27:31,145 --> 02:27:35,045
has that easement. It's not too hard. It's not

1932
02:27:35,205 --> 02:27:39,125
too much of a nuisance for that developer to use. And I'll tell you how it

1933
02:27:39,325 --> 02:27:43,085
is used. It is used as a walking space for hiking, for walking

1934
02:27:43,515 --> 02:27:47,205
dogs, for wildlife to transit, and still be a beautiful aspect

1935
02:27:47,565 --> 02:27:51,465
of our city. I saw the

1936
02:27:51,685 --> 02:27:55,485
plans of the buffer zone that was promised of the industrial space behind

1937
02:27:55,905 --> 02:27:58,875
us. That buffer zone was fought over very

1938
02:27:59,975 --> 02:28:03,485
tooth and nail. It's a big mound of dirt.

1939
02:28:04,625 --> 02:28:08,485
the trees are not so big that they will fill that up. And, and a third of them, I walked it just

1940
02:28:08,725 --> 02:28:12,645
yesterday with my dog, have been removed. For what reasons?

1941
02:28:13,045 --> 02:28:16,885
I don't know. Last time I saw 'em, they were very healthy on his indicator.

1942
02:28:17,755 --> 02:28:20,285
they're spaced so far apart. It's not gonna be a buffer.

1943
02:28:22,545 --> 02:28:25,815
you did a wonderful study and presentation on, on, on maybe

1944
02:28:26,915 --> 02:28:30,685
ways of, uh, you know, addressing

1945
02:28:31,205 --> 02:28:35,005
some of the economical concerns about electric. You did nothing for the heat.

1946
02:28:36,265 --> 02:28:39,965
uh, lot, you know, increase. 'cause my husband

1947
02:28:40,275 --> 02:28:44,085
said on thermodynamics. Those are the things on the aesthetics.

1948
02:28:47,035 --> 02:28:50,975
hudu is a proud city. We have a long history. There

1949
02:28:51,325 --> 02:28:55,265
are multi-generational families here. And, and, and

1950
02:28:55,485 --> 02:28:59,485
that's what I bought into. I grew up in the town of maytag. Maybe you've heard of them.

1951
02:29:01,345 --> 02:29:05,245
uh, they're well renowned. I used to be able to go anywhere in the world and wa look inside a washer

1952
02:29:05,565 --> 02:29:08,445
or dryer if I was homesick and, and see maiden newton, iowa,

1953
02:29:09,795 --> 02:29:13,705
hudu has that feel. But

1954
02:29:13,925 --> 02:29:16,165
let's face it, through several administrations,

1955
02:29:18,615 --> 02:29:20,645
developers have come in and they've swindled us.

1956
02:29:22,675 --> 02:29:26,475
they have learned that we don't have the oversight. If they say they'll

1957
02:29:26,965 --> 02:29:30,685
be open to consideration, well, those are empty promises

1958
02:29:31,245 --> 02:29:34,905
that have no guarantee of oversight or, or whatever. They can kind of run

1959
02:29:35,355 --> 02:29:39,295
shot over us. They've seen lawsuits. We've

1960
02:29:39,645 --> 02:29:43,605
gotten some attention. I think that the reason we as a

1961
02:29:43,725 --> 02:29:47,685
city is attractive is because

1962
02:29:48,375 --> 02:29:52,245
we're small enough that we can be manipulated. And I'm not saying you're

1963
02:29:52,565 --> 02:29:56,505
dumb and you don't know your expertise and then engineering and whatnot. I'm

1964
02:29:56,725 --> 02:30:00,685
saying it, we're disorganized. We don't have the power and the resources

1965
02:30:01,045 --> 02:30:04,885
behind us that, that they can easily throw things in

1966
02:30:05,085 --> 02:30:08,805
their favor, um, and then not fulfill promises

1967
02:30:09,365 --> 02:30:12,625
or change them. And that's where my concern is.

1968
02:30:13,865 --> 02:30:17,705
um, you know, best of intentions, just be

1969
02:30:17,925 --> 02:30:21,805
wise about that be wise, that when you get national

1970
02:30:21,965 --> 02:30:24,835
attention for lawsuits, sometimes,

1971
02:30:26,505 --> 02:30:30,385
uh, not, not the best of characters, we go, oh,

1972
02:30:30,605 --> 02:30:34,405
well, that might be a good small city to plant my seed and take advantage

1973
02:30:34,825 --> 02:30:38,595
of. Um, and that's where I, I'm most concerned

1974
02:30:39,235 --> 02:30:41,745
that hasn't been addressed. Um,

1975
02:30:44,145 --> 02:30:46,565
I'm just gonna real quick look over my things here. I,

1976
02:30:48,505 --> 02:30:52,425
um, well, that is

1977
02:30:52,895 --> 02:30:56,765
about time. I don't mean to cut you off. Thank you. No, that, that's okay. I had it. Thank you. Pretty

1978
02:30:57,125 --> 02:30:57,245
much everything.

1979
02:31:02,945 --> 02:31:04,145
uh, next up we have cameron harvey.

1980
02:31:10,065 --> 02:31:14,045
hi there. My name's cameron harvey. I, uh, live at 1 2 0 denton drive in

1981
02:31:14,205 --> 02:31:18,165
the riverwalk, uh, subdivision. Um, just so in case y'all

1982
02:31:18,445 --> 02:31:21,705
aren't aware, most of the houses in the riverwalk subdivision are,

1983
02:31:22,545 --> 02:31:26,275
uh, fully electric. So there is no gas, there is nothing

1984
02:31:26,765 --> 02:31:30,725
there any sort of power outage that happens. We cannot cook food. We cannot

1985
02:31:31,165 --> 02:31:33,915
preserve food. We, we can't do heat. We get nothing.

1986
02:31:35,285 --> 02:31:38,595
I had to live through that. My wife had to live through that, through the snowpocalypse

1987
02:31:39,445 --> 02:31:42,645
of 2021. I am very concerned

1988
02:31:43,515 --> 02:31:47,095
on a personal level that me and my family can be negatively

1989
02:31:47,735 --> 02:31:51,695
impacted by this, this data center

1990
02:31:51,975 --> 02:31:55,935
being put into the community. Um, I'm not gonna go through

1991
02:31:56,435 --> 02:32:00,175
all of the other minutiae. You've already been hit through it a lot.

1992
02:32:00,515 --> 02:32:04,395
um, water, electricity, noise, all

1993
02:32:04,615 --> 02:32:08,605
of that. I, I will just skip that. Um, what

1994
02:32:08,935 --> 02:32:12,335
I do want you to know is that

1995
02:32:13,605 --> 02:32:17,325
last week bloomberg released an article stating that

1996
02:32:17,795 --> 02:32:21,495
of all of the planned data center buildouts in the united states,

1997
02:32:22,515 --> 02:32:25,175
nearly half of them have been canceled or delayed.

1998
02:32:27,795 --> 02:32:31,455
how can we be sure that this developer is not going to be

1999
02:32:32,275 --> 02:32:35,895
one of those halves? How can we be sure that if we go through with this

2000
02:32:36,335 --> 02:32:40,275
proposal, that they are gonna be able to build that, that they have all

2001
02:32:40,495 --> 02:32:44,465
of the components in their supply line to actually build

2002
02:32:45,005 --> 02:32:48,975
that data center to even get it off the ground? He's already said that

2003
02:32:49,095 --> 02:32:53,015
he doesn't have a tenant. Do you really want to give up this land

2004
02:32:53,315 --> 02:32:57,035
for someone who says, I have no business. I cannot

2005
02:32:57,525 --> 02:33:01,415
promise you that there is anyone who is gonna

2006
02:33:01,765 --> 02:33:05,655
take up this. Yeah. So I

2007
02:33:05,775 --> 02:33:09,245
just, I I really hope

2008
02:33:09,885 --> 02:33:12,735
that you take a quick thought on this

2009
02:33:13,915 --> 02:33:17,855
and I really hope that you reject this proposal. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

2010
02:33:23,795 --> 02:33:25,885
all right. I'm not gonna try to butcher this one. S jenkins.

2011
02:33:31,315 --> 02:33:35,255
hi radda jenkins. I live on 7 0 5 east

2012
02:33:35,495 --> 02:33:39,215
street in old town. Hu I've called hu home for almost

2013
02:33:39,835 --> 02:33:43,735
10 years. I wanna say. I really appreciate the director for the work that you put in to

2014
02:33:43,895 --> 02:33:47,255
show exactly where the data center is for proposed to go

2015
02:33:47,955 --> 02:33:51,215
and all of the use cases that it will impact. So thank you for that.

2016
02:33:52,995 --> 02:33:56,575
so the pod or the pudi don't know if you get to mush it together like that or not,

2017
02:33:57,125 --> 02:34:01,015
doesn't address data centers like the presenter shared. And that is

2018
02:34:01,175 --> 02:34:04,635
a great example of how unregulated this technology and

2019
02:34:05,245 --> 02:34:09,075
this use case is, and what a significant gamble

2020
02:34:09,595 --> 02:34:13,395
it is to bet on something where the lines are so gray and can

2021
02:34:13,615 --> 02:34:17,475
be manipulated to the user's goals. Okay, everybody's

2022
02:34:18,035 --> 02:34:22,015
already talked about water and about power. So I'm not gonna belabor the point, but

2023
02:34:22,275 --> 02:34:26,155
I do wanna go back to the trust. When they talk about it being closed loop and

2024
02:34:26,315 --> 02:34:30,275
they talk about it being sustainable, they're asking for a lot of trust. I know that

2025
02:34:30,395 --> 02:34:34,215
the data center that's being built in abilene is much, much bigger. But

2026
02:34:34,435 --> 02:34:38,355
just for an understanding of the use, it's gonna use about 20%

2027
02:34:39,255 --> 02:34:43,095
of the electricity that new york city uses, and

2028
02:34:43,315 --> 02:34:46,865
it's gonna use water comparable to what the entire city of hutto uses.

2029
02:34:48,335 --> 02:34:51,845
so when you think about that and you put that into perspective, it's very, very hard to trust

2030
02:34:52,345 --> 02:34:55,355
this is gonna be sustainable or not have a big impact.

2031
02:34:56,815 --> 02:35:00,795
if you look up any of the cases and where communities have added these, and I

2032
02:35:00,915 --> 02:35:04,555
urge you to please do so, you will see that their utility bills have gone up

2033
02:35:05,255 --> 02:35:09,235
in some cases very, very significantly. We already have insanely expensive

2034
02:35:09,795 --> 02:35:13,675
water here. Let's not make it worse. He talked about

2035
02:35:13,975 --> 02:35:17,915
how little impact it would have on our traffic. That's because of how few jobs

2036
02:35:18,215 --> 02:35:19,235
it will bring .

2037
02:35:22,375 --> 02:35:26,355
so as much as I hate driving in auto traffic and as terrible

2038
02:35:26,535 --> 02:35:30,115
as it is, um, I do recognize that we need jobs and we need homes.

2039
02:35:31,705 --> 02:35:35,515
this doesn't solve either of those problems. We've heard about the health, we've heard about

2040
02:35:35,715 --> 02:35:38,835
the property values. Overall, this is not good for our community.

2041
02:35:40,175 --> 02:35:43,975
and while this location is especially terrible and is

2042
02:35:44,275 --> 02:35:48,275
a very clear no with the backing of everything that the director said, I would go

2043
02:35:48,555 --> 02:35:51,395
a step further and say, when you consider all of the negative implications,

2044
02:35:52,975 --> 02:35:56,835
we should not put a data center in heto. Yes, just like all the construction

2045
02:35:57,195 --> 02:36:01,015
people, I also have that construction background and I appreciate that there is

2046
02:36:01,435 --> 02:36:05,275
a, a need for growth, but we need to be thoughtful about that. So whether

2047
02:36:05,715 --> 02:36:09,395
we put it in a field somewhere, or whether we put it as an enormous

2048
02:36:09,825 --> 02:36:13,595
eyesore right next to our schools and our homes, it will still use our water.

2049
02:36:13,935 --> 02:36:16,275
it will still impact our environment. It will still use our power.

2050
02:36:18,495 --> 02:36:22,395
so I ask all of you to please vote no, not just on this data center, but on data centers for

2051
02:36:22,665 --> 02:36:25,635
hudu. Let's make it really clear that hudu cannot be bought.

2052
02:36:26,725 --> 02:36:27,155
thank you.

2053
02:36:34,175 --> 02:36:35,695
uh, next up is riley pruitt.

2054
02:36:42,015 --> 02:36:45,315
hi, I'm riley pruitt. I live at 2 0 2 3. Matt locke circle

2055
02:36:46,135 --> 02:36:50,035
in carmel creek. Uh, I just wanted to thank y'all for volunteering

2056
02:36:50,935 --> 02:36:54,915
and serving as you do hu planning and building the city. Uh, thanks

2057
02:36:55,115 --> 02:36:58,875
for taking the time tonight. Um, I agree with everything that

2058
02:36:59,555 --> 02:37:03,475
everyone said. I'm against the data center. Um, I wanted to bring up

2059
02:37:03,595 --> 02:37:07,515
three points that we didn't talk about. Um, one, there was

2060
02:37:07,745 --> 02:37:10,795
inconsistency in zydeco presentation.

2061
02:37:12,225 --> 02:37:16,205
they said that it's the data center's, a small

2062
02:37:16,365 --> 02:37:20,245
data center. It's not gonna be used for ai, it's not gonna be used for bitcoin

2063
02:37:20,605 --> 02:37:23,245
mining. But then they said they don't have a tenant.

2064
02:37:24,985 --> 02:37:28,845
how does that make sense? Well, what if a bitcoin miner comes around and what

2065
02:37:29,045 --> 02:37:33,045
if a, what if ai chips gets smaller and quieter and can be

2066
02:37:33,125 --> 02:37:37,085
done in a, in a, you know, a smaller data center? You can't be a

2067
02:37:37,205 --> 02:37:41,075
beggar and a chooser. So it doesn't make sense to be able to promise things that

2068
02:37:41,365 --> 02:37:45,185
we don't know. I wanted to point that out. They're gonna say whatever they want to

2069
02:37:45,405 --> 02:37:49,065
get, whatever they want. The second thing is, if we accept

2070
02:37:49,485 --> 02:37:53,485
this, if we bring this online, and if we repl

2071
02:37:53,725 --> 02:37:57,515
this rezone this, it sets a really horrible precedent in hudu.

2072
02:37:58,345 --> 02:38:02,045
it says, hey, any, any developer in the united states

2073
02:38:02,835 --> 02:38:05,385
come by in hudu. It doesn't matter what the zoning is.

2074
02:38:07,295 --> 02:38:10,405
we'll just stamp it. We'll make it a data center.

2075
02:38:12,065 --> 02:38:16,045
it makes us look like idiots. We don't wanna do that. This won't be the

2076
02:38:16,165 --> 02:38:20,085
last thing. And then the final thing is, I I want to make

2077
02:38:20,285 --> 02:38:24,045
an appeal to beauty, uh, beauty in the city. I live in carmel

2078
02:38:24,365 --> 02:38:28,225
creek, but I also have lived in hu since I was 12. And I actually lived on

2079
02:38:28,645 --> 02:38:32,505
hilton street in, uh, in hu town square. Uh,

2080
02:38:32,725 --> 02:38:35,975
and I would look out my window west at this exact

2081
02:38:36,915 --> 02:38:40,845
land, this exact zone. And there was nothing there.

2082
02:38:41,585 --> 02:38:45,445
and it was kind of beautiful. And I, I pictured myself as a 12-year-old

2083
02:38:45,965 --> 02:38:49,005
looking out and seeing this horrendous data center

2084
02:38:50,065 --> 02:38:54,045
and what that would do to my psyche, what that would do to my life. I I have no idea how

2085
02:38:54,245 --> 02:38:58,245
it would affect me. I have no idea how it would affect anybody in that neighborhood. And so

2086
02:38:58,445 --> 02:39:02,205
I wanna make an appeal to beauty. Hudu is in risk of becoming

2087
02:39:02,485 --> 02:39:04,395
a hideous industrial park. Yeah,

2088
02:39:08,265 --> 02:39:12,165
we, we are on our way there. We're so

2089
02:39:12,525 --> 02:39:16,525
enticed by money that we forgot about beauty. We forgot about the reason

2090
02:39:16,725 --> 02:39:20,685
people live places. We wanna live in huro because it's beautiful. The people are

2091
02:39:20,845 --> 02:39:24,585
beautiful, the buildings are beautiful. That's why we live here. So

2092
02:39:25,065 --> 02:39:29,005
we have an opportunity to do the last thing on the hu pillars to create a high quality

2093
02:39:29,305 --> 02:39:33,125
of life. We have the opportunity to uphold that. So I hope we make the right

2094
02:39:33,365 --> 02:39:34,725
decision on it. Thank you. Thank you.

2095
02:39:40,155 --> 02:39:41,435
next up is lisa zacharias.

2096
02:39:57,415 --> 02:40:00,735
hello, I'm lisa zacharia, uh, 2012 blue drive.

2097
02:40:01,765 --> 02:40:05,665
I live in the enclave of brushy creek and I am

2098
02:40:06,075 --> 02:40:09,805
objecting to rezoning. Um, like I said, everybody else,

2099
02:40:10,265 --> 02:40:14,245
um, had all my bullets, most of them, but I

2100
02:40:14,365 --> 02:40:18,225
wanted to touch on when he was speaking of,

2101
02:40:18,545 --> 02:40:22,315
um, the water and the direct use for cooling

2102
02:40:23,505 --> 02:40:26,865
and how many gallons of potable water that's gonna use per day.

2103
02:40:27,745 --> 02:40:31,685
and, you know, if, if it's affects the town of, what are

2104
02:40:31,765 --> 02:40:35,405
we at? Almost 50,000 people now, you know?

2105
02:40:35,945 --> 02:40:39,905
so 5 million gallons of potable water a day is equivalent to our

2106
02:40:40,235 --> 02:40:44,105
town. And so it, it is just too much strain

2107
02:40:44,545 --> 02:40:47,555
on what we already are doing. Because even summers

2108
02:40:48,675 --> 02:40:52,565
with the droughts and we're, you know, we're restricted water

2109
02:40:53,025 --> 02:40:56,925
use on our properties. We can't water. And, you know, odd number of

2110
02:40:57,045 --> 02:41:00,885
days, yada, yada, yada. We can't water. And it, it just, uh, it's

2111
02:41:01,165 --> 02:41:04,865
a severe strain on, on hu um, the

2112
02:41:05,525 --> 02:41:09,275
indirect, uh, use power consumption, uh, used

2113
02:41:09,585 --> 02:41:12,965
for generation. Uh, the, uh, power generation increased by 400%.

2114
02:41:14,035 --> 02:41:17,695
like, what are we doing? I I, I really don't

2115
02:41:18,045 --> 02:41:21,885
think this is necessary to be here and to be in, in a neighborhood,

2116
02:41:22,865 --> 02:41:26,525
you know? Um, what about,

2117
02:41:26,985 --> 02:41:30,565
um, innovation and mitigation? He, he just said it,

2118
02:41:31,025 --> 02:41:34,985
but didn't even touch on that. Uh, what are the solutions for

2119
02:41:35,205 --> 02:41:38,555
that? Um, there are supposed to be coming solutions.

2120
02:41:39,275 --> 02:41:42,655
I've read, uh, zero water cooling or reclaim waste water.

2121
02:41:43,555 --> 02:41:46,725
what are we gonna do about that when they have to test out the machines

2122
02:41:47,705 --> 02:41:51,525
and change out the water that's cooling? Um, what, what's

2123
02:41:51,925 --> 02:41:55,885
gonna happen to that, uh, blow down discharge discharge? Uh, is it

2124
02:41:55,965 --> 02:41:59,925
gonna be dumped back into our aqui aquifer? Uh, what's gonna happen

2125
02:42:00,085 --> 02:42:03,925
with that? So there's a lot of questions he didn't answer. He just

2126
02:42:04,705 --> 02:42:08,205
grazed over it. Uh, he didn't give us any numbers on decibels

2127
02:42:08,765 --> 02:42:12,765
of how much, how noisy it was gonna be. Of course, it's gonna start off

2128
02:42:13,065 --> 02:42:17,025
low when it ramps up, it's going to get louder. The noise, uh,

2129
02:42:17,705 --> 02:42:21,645
I'm reading that it carries over a mile away and it's

2130
02:42:22,405 --> 02:42:25,545
constant 24 7. 'cause those machines are not gonna be turned off.

2131
02:42:26,545 --> 02:42:30,445
so worried about that. What about, you know, close neighbors to that and then

2132
02:42:30,565 --> 02:42:34,545
you talking one to two miles away depending what they were ramping up. He

2133
02:42:34,765 --> 02:42:38,765
didn't talk about that. He wasn't specific on that. It is

2134
02:42:38,805 --> 02:42:42,685
just, what about water pressure?

2135
02:42:43,865 --> 02:42:47,735
we already have a problem with our water. Um, brown

2136
02:42:48,095 --> 02:42:52,085
water, low water pressure. You know, we don't know what they're

2137
02:42:52,405 --> 02:42:56,385
gonna bring to us. Uh, chemicals leaching into the ground that may cause cancer 10

2138
02:42:56,605 --> 02:43:00,465
to 15 years from now. Uh, what are we doing with our, um,

2139
02:43:01,105 --> 02:43:04,965
you know, the next generation that live here? I mean, I,

2140
02:43:05,245 --> 02:43:09,165
I moved here in 2006. I was in huro square, I was close

2141
02:43:09,405 --> 02:43:13,305
to it, but now I'm in, you know, enclave of brushy creek. So

2142
02:43:13,625 --> 02:43:17,625
I'm across on 79. But it's, you know, we're only two

2143
02:43:17,845 --> 02:43:21,765
miles away. But that, that sound is gonna affect us. The heat's gonna affect the

2144
02:43:21,925 --> 02:43:25,825
population there, and I just don't think it would be

2145
02:43:26,775 --> 02:43:30,445
productive for us. We, we can come up with something better, like a green,

2146
02:43:31,025 --> 02:43:34,595
you know, landscaping, greenscape, a dog park, something

2147
02:43:35,205 --> 02:43:38,755
that could be useful and beautify hu where we can use that, that

2148
02:43:39,365 --> 02:43:43,265
property better. Um, I'm just so

2149
02:43:43,485 --> 02:43:47,145
worried about that. And then of course, it's gonna decrease our property values.

2150
02:43:48,465 --> 02:43:51,385
um, it definitely is not gonna increase it.

2151
02:43:53,745 --> 02:43:57,725
uh, a

2152
02:43:57,845 --> 02:44:00,845
lot of my bullets were already taken. Um, what were,

2153
02:44:01,915 --> 02:44:05,445
were they, were they given any tax breaks to come here? What were the incentives,

2154
02:44:06,345 --> 02:44:10,205
uh, or subsidies? Zach mentioned, you know, what are they looking

2155
02:44:10,425 --> 02:44:14,405
at? Just to bring that here. You know, it, it's not worth it. It really

2156
02:44:14,815 --> 02:44:18,645
isn't worth it. Not for us. So with that

2157
02:44:18,845 --> 02:44:22,345
in mind, I hope that you vote no against the

2158
02:44:23,085 --> 02:44:24,445
rezoning. Thank you.

2159
02:44:31,195 --> 02:44:32,515
next up we have, uh, mark lyons.

2160
02:44:35,395 --> 02:44:38,915
this is just the future age map, two evening.

2161
02:44:39,545 --> 02:44:43,285
I'm mark lyons. I live at 3 0 4 westfield street in huddle town square.

2162
02:44:44,485 --> 02:44:47,775
I have two points. One, I commend the chair on his choice of shirt.

2163
02:44:51,385 --> 02:44:54,605
and this data center does not support any of the pillars.

2164
02:44:55,625 --> 02:44:59,605
so I recommend that you do not support this land use as a data center. Thank you.

2165
02:45:00,015 --> 02:45:00,365
thank you.

2166
02:45:06,835 --> 02:45:10,805
okay. You want the good news or the bad news? I have both. We're halfway through

2167
02:45:11,845 --> 02:45:15,725
. Next up we have sally

2168
02:45:16,155 --> 02:45:16,155
leon.

2169
02:45:20,605 --> 02:45:24,525
a long time. Those chairs are not great .

2170
02:45:26,065 --> 02:45:29,865
uh, my name is sally lyons and that is my husband over there. And

2171
02:45:30,345 --> 02:45:34,205
mine's not gonna be quite as short as his, but it will be short. And I'm gonna

2172
02:45:34,445 --> 02:45:38,205
tug on your heartstrings and I'm sorry about that, but that's how I am.

2173
02:45:39,185 --> 02:45:43,125
anyway, if I can get this, this is a picture of my son. I

2174
02:45:43,245 --> 02:45:47,035
live at 3 0 4 westfield in old, um, hu town

2175
02:45:47,325 --> 02:45:51,005
square. And, um, he has,

2176
02:45:51,345 --> 02:45:55,105
he had autism and he passed away two years ago. And

2177
02:45:56,975 --> 02:46:00,845
sorry, we had to move from the house that

2178
02:46:01,005 --> 02:46:03,105
we lived in for 33 years in hu

2179
02:46:07,045 --> 02:46:09,525
to another house in hu, which is right

2180
02:46:11,065 --> 02:46:13,685
across the street from where the data center's gonna be.

2181
02:46:17,585 --> 02:46:21,565
I'm 65 years old and that's probably gonna be

2182
02:46:21,725 --> 02:46:25,295
the last house that I live in. I'm very sensitive to sound.

2183
02:46:26,045 --> 02:46:29,685
I can't even, I have to put earplugs on because his cpap

2184
02:46:30,125 --> 02:46:34,045
machine makes too much noise. And also he

2185
02:46:34,325 --> 02:46:38,205
snores . So I can't,

2186
02:46:39,405 --> 02:46:42,965
I can't handle any kind of hum

2187
02:46:43,865 --> 02:46:47,825
or vibration that might be coming under the ground or

2188
02:46:48,045 --> 02:46:51,465
through the air. And I also have, um,

2189
02:46:53,425 --> 02:46:57,065
bad sinuses. So that's, that's

2190
02:46:57,485 --> 02:47:01,335
another problem. So what I ask you, please don't

2191
02:47:01,685 --> 02:47:05,685
let that be put right there. Put it on the landfill.

2192
02:47:06,505 --> 02:47:10,345
nobody lives there. , great spot for

2193
02:47:10,565 --> 02:47:13,365
it. And it's still in the huddle.

2194
02:47:14,935 --> 02:47:15,605
thank you. Thank you.

2195
02:47:20,835 --> 02:47:23,195
alright, next up is christian markowitz.

2196
02:47:29,145 --> 02:47:33,145
thanks for hanging in there, . It's been a long evening, but we

2197
02:47:33,365 --> 02:47:37,225
appreciate your time. My name is christian markowitz and I live at

2198
02:47:37,455 --> 02:47:41,445
700 north emory cove in emory

2199
02:47:41,775 --> 02:47:44,545
farms. We've lived there since 2017,

2200
02:47:46,505 --> 02:47:50,045
and I brought, I brought both my daughters home to the house we live in.

2201
02:47:52,225 --> 02:47:56,125
I'd like to express my reasons for the opposition. Many of them have already

2202
02:47:56,325 --> 02:47:59,565
been stated, but a big portion of that is that

2203
02:48:00,575 --> 02:48:03,945
there is a effect on homeowners equity.

2204
02:48:04,585 --> 02:48:08,585
if you look at reports, it is a negative equity loss of

2205
02:48:08,805 --> 02:48:12,305
five to 15% for anyone within

2206
02:48:12,905 --> 02:48:16,675
two miles of a data center. That

2207
02:48:16,965 --> 02:48:20,965
would be a huge loss to residents. Um, we're looking at about

2208
02:48:21,295 --> 02:48:24,545
300 homes just within the one mile radius

2209
02:48:25,515 --> 02:48:29,465
between the three neighborhoods. As far as environmental is

2210
02:48:29,685 --> 02:48:33,635
concerned. As somebody else stated, the sab e center that the developer

2211
02:48:34,245 --> 02:48:37,165
discussed did have a two alarm fire on march 22nd.

2212
02:48:39,145 --> 02:48:42,425
the firefighters that attended to that fire did inhale

2213
02:48:43,385 --> 02:48:47,125
toxins, um, and had to be treated and also took

2214
02:48:47,555 --> 02:48:51,125
five hours to put out other concerns,

2215
02:48:51,645 --> 02:48:55,445
of course, would be the location. It is not the location

2216
02:48:55,995 --> 02:48:59,975
that residents want because we would live right next to it. There

2217
02:49:00,325 --> 02:49:03,605
would be light pollution. There would be concerns about epa

2218
02:49:04,465 --> 02:49:08,245
and tceq requirements being followed. A closed

2219
02:49:08,485 --> 02:49:12,365
loop system does have toxin chemicals in it to keep the

2220
02:49:12,565 --> 02:49:16,565
water clear. It is not something that would not be affecting the community,

2221
02:49:17,785 --> 02:49:21,725
excuse me, where it to leak out. It does leak out at times during maintenance

2222
02:49:22,665 --> 02:49:26,505
and it would go straight into our wastewater. So that is something to

2223
02:49:27,005 --> 02:49:30,955
consider. Other items, of course, include

2224
02:49:31,955 --> 02:49:35,825
what others have discussed, which would be air pollution. But for me

2225
02:49:36,235 --> 02:49:40,085
it's the water pollution and all of those directly affected. It's not just the

2226
02:49:40,285 --> 02:49:44,075
homes, it is the middle school and the elementary school that

2227
02:49:44,425 --> 02:49:45,105
my kids attend.

2228
02:49:48,555 --> 02:49:52,095
it would affect the neighborhood within a hundred feet. The most.

2229
02:49:54,185 --> 02:49:57,995
their metal yard directs or is

2230
02:49:58,615 --> 02:50:02,455
directly up against the fence. Yeah, a hundred feet sounds like a lot,

2231
02:50:02,995 --> 02:50:06,685
but there would be floodlights out there, there would be activity in that metal yard.

2232
02:50:07,675 --> 02:50:11,455
that's where they would most likely have their generators. That's within

2233
02:50:11,775 --> 02:50:15,055
a hundred feet of some of these people's homes. That shouldn't be acceptable.

2234
02:50:17,175 --> 02:50:19,735
tceq is already having a difficult time

2235
02:50:21,615 --> 02:50:25,575
maintaining and measuring chemicals in the water because of all

2236
02:50:25,735 --> 02:50:28,875
the data centers within texas that are coming up and starting up.

2237
02:50:29,875 --> 02:50:33,775
it is something to consider who would be ensuring that our

2238
02:50:33,975 --> 02:50:37,975
water isn't poisoned? Who would be ensuring that when those

2239
02:50:38,135 --> 02:50:42,055
generators are up and running, whether it's during an emergency or just

2240
02:50:42,295 --> 02:50:46,095
during testing, that it is only just 30 minutes. A proposal

2241
02:50:46,435 --> 02:50:50,395
is just that. It's not a contract, it's an idea. And

2242
02:50:50,615 --> 02:50:53,895
what they've brought is a great idea in respect to

2243
02:50:54,765 --> 02:50:58,675
what income would bring to their company, but not

2244
02:50:59,215 --> 02:51:02,215
a great idea for what it would bring to us taxpayers.

2245
02:51:03,355 --> 02:51:07,245
so me being someone who is within 200 feet

2246
02:51:07,755 --> 02:51:11,615
of this potential development, I would like to vote no on it.

2247
02:51:12,065 --> 02:51:13,255
thank you. Thank you.

2248
02:51:19,285 --> 02:51:20,045
next up is christine benson.

2249
02:51:26,235 --> 02:51:30,135
hi, I am christine benson, and I live at 7 0 1 gray fox

2250
02:51:30,335 --> 02:51:33,355
loop, which is in cottonwood farms. So you asked, um,

2251
02:51:34,415 --> 02:51:38,095
I read both staff reports for items 6.4 and 6.5, and I have concerns.

2252
02:51:39,115 --> 02:51:43,095
I'm gonna try not to belabor the points, as you said, , but I'll do my best

2253
02:51:43,235 --> 02:51:46,535
to keep it short. Um, staff recommended denial of both items.

2254
02:51:47,355 --> 02:51:50,775
I'm asking you to follow that recommendation, but I wanna give you three specific reasons from the application

2255
02:51:51,695 --> 02:51:55,255
documents themselves. First, the numbers just don't add up.

2256
02:51:56,195 --> 02:51:59,855
the applicant's pud document says that the rear setback from the residential

2257
02:52:00,335 --> 02:52:04,095
properties is 400 feet in the presentation he just showed us, it said 316,

2258
02:52:04,855 --> 02:52:08,845
which lines up with the hoa presentation, but the concept plan showed

2259
02:52:09,265 --> 02:52:12,925
100 feet. Um, their hoa yeah, sorry. There, there are three different

2260
02:52:13,405 --> 02:52:17,245
documents here. Three different numbers. The single most important buffer between

2261
02:52:17,725 --> 02:52:21,525
a 24 hour industrial operation in people's homes. How are we supposed to trust

2262
02:52:21,845 --> 02:52:25,165
these people if there are already these types of discrepancies

2263
02:52:25,865 --> 02:52:29,755
in the plans? Second, the applicant's own, uh, future land

2264
02:52:30,045 --> 02:52:33,915
use man. Uh, what was them mandate? Future f-f-l-u-m. Yeah.

2265
02:52:34,805 --> 02:52:38,285
flum claims that nearby residents largely support this application.

2266
02:52:38,865 --> 02:52:42,725
it says largely support. Uh, there are at least 33

2267
02:52:43,365 --> 02:52:47,245
written objections just in the record so far along with every single person

2268
02:52:47,615 --> 02:52:50,805
who's come here tonight. Two comments in favor.

2269
02:52:51,765 --> 02:52:54,815
I will let you decide if that is what largely support means.

2270
02:52:56,215 --> 02:52:59,645
third, what's being replaced here is not just an empty field.

2271
02:53:00,705 --> 02:53:03,685
the existing entitlement for this land as zydeco covered,

2272
02:53:04,945 --> 02:53:08,105
did include 173 homes, retail, dining,

2273
02:53:09,345 --> 02:53:13,325
and a street connection between, uh, ed schmidt and albany way,

2274
02:53:13,735 --> 02:53:16,925
which would potentially alleviate traffic on limmer loop, I would hope.

2275
02:53:18,105 --> 02:53:22,005
and your staff said that that entitlement, the one that was in place,

2276
02:53:22,585 --> 02:53:26,525
the one that the developer wants to throw away, the one that's in

2277
02:53:26,605 --> 02:53:30,605
place better aligns with soar 2040. It better aligns

2278
02:53:30,925 --> 02:53:34,765
with what the city needs and what the community has said they want. We're not choosing between

2279
02:53:35,245 --> 02:53:39,105
a data center and nothing. We are choosing between a data center and

2280
02:53:39,325 --> 02:53:43,325
homes, restaurants and walkable retail for the families that already live here.

2281
02:53:44,705 --> 02:53:47,645
the two people who spoke in favor of the rezoning claim tonight

2282
02:53:48,905 --> 02:53:52,685
are talking down to us like we're bratty children who don't understand what's best for us.

2283
02:53:53,195 --> 02:53:57,025
that we don't understand that this data center's not as bad, but

2284
02:53:57,245 --> 02:54:01,165
we deserve better than that. We're not kids. We deserve to tell you what

2285
02:54:01,365 --> 02:54:05,165
we want. And I hope that you'll listen. The staff said no. All of the community

2286
02:54:05,605 --> 02:54:09,245
members here are saying no. I'm saying no. Please follow your staff recommendations

2287
02:54:10,265 --> 02:54:13,325
and community and deny both items. Thank you.

2288
02:54:20,635 --> 02:54:22,305
next up is christie yal.

2289
02:54:30,835 --> 02:54:34,565
good evening. My name is kristi yal. I live at 5 28 emory crossing boulevard

2290
02:54:35,065 --> 02:54:38,925
and emory crossing subdivision. I'm a newer resident here. My husband

2291
02:54:39,145 --> 02:54:42,705
and I moved here last summer to retire here to be closer

2292
02:54:43,185 --> 02:54:47,165
to our kids. And I, a few things I just wanna ask. When I look at those,

2293
02:54:47,285 --> 02:54:51,265
that pillar up there, create the highest quality of life. For

2294
02:54:51,585 --> 02:54:55,465
who? For us or for zydeco and

2295
02:54:55,685 --> 02:54:59,605
the millions that they're gonna make off of this data center. We're not gonna make the

2296
02:54:59,765 --> 02:55:03,565
millions off of it. They are. And I, I can tell you from

2297
02:55:03,805 --> 02:55:07,755
where I came from when I moved here from louisiana, look it up, this

2298
02:55:08,045 --> 02:55:11,765
place called cancer alley in louisiana long time

2299
02:55:12,105 --> 02:55:15,685
ago. They welcomed the chemical plants. They promised

2300
02:55:16,375 --> 02:55:20,205
lower taxes, better schools. We're gonna come in here and we're gonna

2301
02:55:20,515 --> 02:55:24,025
make your lives great. Look it up. Cancer

2302
02:55:24,975 --> 02:55:28,535
alley. And this has been over 50 years.

2303
02:55:29,945 --> 02:55:33,775
all of the people who make a difference moved.

2304
02:55:34,585 --> 02:55:38,195
got out. What's left are the people who can't move,

2305
02:55:39,025 --> 02:55:42,985
who have to stay there. One data center, you're

2306
02:55:43,405 --> 02:55:47,255
going down a very slippery slope. One turns

2307
02:55:47,755 --> 02:55:51,585
into four, turns into eight, turns into this entire

2308
02:55:52,115 --> 02:55:56,105
area, becoming a data center. And if you're more of a visual learner as

2309
02:55:56,525 --> 02:56:00,405
I am, everybody behind me, raise your hands if you're

2310
02:56:00,605 --> 02:56:02,225
against this data center so they can see.

2311
02:56:05,085 --> 02:56:05,645
I rest my case.

2312
02:56:09,935 --> 02:56:10,285
thank you.

2313
02:56:14,875 --> 02:56:16,915
next up is sarah near

2314
02:56:25,085 --> 02:56:28,935
good evening. Um, everything I'm about to say comes directly

2315
02:56:29,165 --> 02:56:32,695
from the ida report for this agenda. 6.4 and 6.5.

2316
02:56:35,745 --> 02:56:39,735
sorry, I'm gonna be reading from a speech I

2317
02:56:39,855 --> 02:56:43,335
am speaking tonight to urge this commission to formally adopt the development

2318
02:56:43,975 --> 02:56:47,925
services director's recommendation to deny item 6.4, the future land

2319
02:56:48,285 --> 02:56:51,315
user map or use map amendment. And item 6.5,

2320
02:56:52,395 --> 02:56:55,375
the ped revision for the zydeco data center.

2321
02:56:56,795 --> 02:57:00,455
I'm not here to discuss noise trafficked or property values.

2322
02:57:01,635 --> 02:57:04,565
I'm here to address the city's legal and procedural obligations.

2323
02:57:05,845 --> 02:57:09,785
your own professional planning staff has explicitly outlined why this heavy

2324
02:57:10,135 --> 02:57:14,015
and industrial designation is incongruent with the

2325
02:57:14,455 --> 02:57:18,455
surrounding stable single family subdivisions, they have documented

2326
02:57:18,885 --> 02:57:22,775
exactly how this proposal violates the performance metrics of the

2327
02:57:22,915 --> 02:57:26,855
hu soar 2024 comprehensive plan. It removes future housing

2328
02:57:27,135 --> 02:57:30,815
diversity, fails to create an efficient infrastructure system and isolates

2329
02:57:31,775 --> 02:57:35,735
a 40 acre per parcel solely to accommodate a

2330
02:57:35,855 --> 02:57:39,695
single developer's custom zoning request. Most critically

2331
02:57:40,045 --> 02:57:43,895
city staff has formally warned in tonight's agenda packet that approving this action

2332
02:57:44,245 --> 02:57:48,215
affords the opportunity for spot zoning in texas. It is an

2333
02:57:48,375 --> 02:57:52,235
illegal practice that renders a zoning ordinance void. The

2334
02:57:52,455 --> 02:57:56,135
legal test in texas courts for spot zoning is whether a municipality

2335
02:57:57,365 --> 02:58:00,455
acts arbitrarily, unreasonably and without substantial

2336
02:58:01,525 --> 02:58:05,405
relation to its comprehensive plan. Because your own planners have

2337
02:58:05,605 --> 02:58:09,285
already established on the public record that this pud violates the soar 2040

2338
02:58:09,795 --> 02:58:13,725
plan. The foundational evidence for arbitrary action is already

2339
02:58:13,925 --> 02:58:17,925
written in tonight's packet as an advisory board, this commission

2340
02:58:18,325 --> 02:58:22,245
serves as a city's procedural firewall. If the

2341
02:58:22,365 --> 02:58:26,085
city council approves a zoning change that their own development services department

2342
02:58:26,745 --> 02:58:30,605
has formally flagged as a spot zoning risk, the council is making

2343
02:58:31,085 --> 02:58:34,245
a demonstr demonstrably arbitrary legislative

2344
02:58:35,125 --> 02:58:38,925
decision. More telling the applicant

2345
02:58:39,465 --> 02:58:43,245
has admitted that they have no customer for this facility. They're asking this

2346
02:58:43,525 --> 02:58:47,155
commission to grant a custom industrial pod for a hypothetical user.

2347
02:58:48,385 --> 02:58:52,245
do not trade the documented future of hu do's neighbors for a speculative gamble.

2348
02:58:53,225 --> 02:58:56,795
we ask you to reject this epy shell protect

2349
02:58:57,285 --> 02:59:01,045
your comprehensive plan and demand that this land be used to benefit the people

2350
02:59:01,345 --> 02:59:05,275
of huro. And now, on a much more personal note,

2351
02:59:06,125 --> 02:59:09,865
I am a high school english teacher every single day

2352
02:59:10,365 --> 02:59:14,225
I see just the despair and the apathy in

2353
02:59:14,465 --> 02:59:18,305
my kids. You could do something so awesome for them by

2354
02:59:18,525 --> 02:59:22,525
using this land to benefit them. Give them some hope, give them

2355
02:59:22,685 --> 02:59:25,805
some joy. This is not it. Thank you.

2356
02:59:34,635 --> 02:59:35,445
next up we have joseph cortez.

2357
02:59:44,955 --> 02:59:48,925
good evening commission. Thank you for coming out and thank you to everybody here. I know this is how y'all wanted to

2358
02:59:49,045 --> 02:59:52,965
spend your evening. Um, I mean, we got families here. That's how important

2359
02:59:53,205 --> 02:59:56,465
it is. You know, you see that this is important to everybody. So

2360
02:59:57,485 --> 03:00:01,305
I do have ape. Oh, so I, my address is in hu highlands balsam

2361
03:00:01,725 --> 03:00:05,605
street. Um, but I own and operate. Um, I'm one of the owners of

2362
03:00:05,805 --> 03:00:09,445
the hu farmer's market, uh, which takes place two doors down from this

2363
03:00:10,005 --> 03:00:12,965
property at the hu discovery united methodist church every wednesday.

2364
03:00:14,325 --> 03:00:17,965
I did have a nice speech and I still read it, but mr. Uh, zydeco did a great job

2365
03:00:18,555 --> 03:00:22,555
kind of doing it for me. When he said, there will be no traffic. That

2366
03:00:22,845 --> 03:00:26,205
means no people coming from out of town to support our local businesses

2367
03:00:26,865 --> 03:00:30,005
to bring tax dollars in that right revenue for decades,

2368
03:00:31,225 --> 03:00:34,685
no impact. He said, there's no impact. Yeah, no impact to businesses on that front.

2369
03:00:35,705 --> 03:00:39,605
so we can expect nothing. And I appreciate him bringing those

2370
03:00:39,845 --> 03:00:43,525
points up. But, so anyways, every single week we see what community

2371
03:00:44,165 --> 03:00:48,125
actually looks like. Families are showing up together just like they are today. Kids running

2372
03:00:48,405 --> 03:00:52,285
around at the farmer's market, the farmers, the small businesses connecting with their

2373
03:00:52,725 --> 03:00:56,645
neighbors. And that's not theoretical. That's real life happening right here in

2374
03:00:56,915 --> 03:01:00,885
huro. And that's exactly why I'm here, here. 'cause this proposed data center,

2375
03:01:01,165 --> 03:01:05,005
especially in this location, is fundamentally at odds with what makes this city worth

2376
03:01:05,285 --> 03:01:08,805
living in. I wanna be very clear, this is not about being against technology.

2377
03:01:09,995 --> 03:01:13,785
it's about placement. It's about priorities. You'll hear about tax

2378
03:01:14,005 --> 03:01:17,685
revenue, you'll hear about economic development. But I want to challenge that

2379
03:01:18,035 --> 03:01:20,995
because revenue alone is not the measure of a healthy community.

2380
03:01:22,675 --> 03:01:26,125
this project does not bring people into huro to support our small businesses.

2381
03:01:27,025 --> 03:01:30,565
it does not create a space where families gather. It does not support

2382
03:01:31,055 --> 03:01:34,385
local vendors, restaurants, or shops. It brings infrastructure

2383
03:01:36,305 --> 03:01:40,165
but not life. And once that land is used for this purpose, it'll be gone

2384
03:01:40,365 --> 03:01:44,205
for decades. That means no park, no space for

2385
03:01:44,405 --> 03:01:48,365
local businesses, no place for future families. No opportunity to build something

2386
03:01:48,685 --> 03:01:51,765
that actually serves the people who live here. And that matters

2387
03:01:52,755 --> 03:01:56,585
because all of you on this commission are not just decision makers. You are members of

2388
03:01:56,805 --> 03:02:00,685
this community. Many of you have families here. Some of you have kids who play

2389
03:02:00,885 --> 03:02:04,725
sports here. You volunteer, you show up, you invest your time into building this city.

2390
03:02:05,465 --> 03:02:09,465
and that's what community looks like. So I would ask you to think about that, not just as

2391
03:02:09,685 --> 03:02:13,485
commissioners, but as a neighbors. What kind of huddle are we building?

2392
03:02:14,385 --> 03:02:18,305
one where land in the heart of our city is used to bring people together. Or

2393
03:02:18,525 --> 03:02:22,285
one where it's locked away for decades serving something that has no connection to daily life.

2394
03:02:22,565 --> 03:02:26,545
here, this decision's not just about a project, it's about whether we

2395
03:02:26,765 --> 03:02:30,325
prioritize people or we prioritize profits, which is also debatable.

2396
03:02:31,505 --> 03:02:35,365
and I'll leave you with this. There are other places where a data center could go,

2397
03:02:36,425 --> 03:02:40,245
but there's only one heart of hudu. Please protect it. Thank you.

2398
03:02:49,985 --> 03:02:50,795
cassie cans.

2399
03:02:59,705 --> 03:03:03,685
my name's cassie cans. I live at 2, 2 3 hilton street, directly behind where

2400
03:03:04,105 --> 03:03:07,765
the status center wants to go. I'm married to a first responder. I have two little children.

2401
03:03:08,265 --> 03:03:12,125
one of the points that I have not heard brought up is the strain that we're gonna put on our first responders.

2402
03:03:13,305 --> 03:03:17,025
he made a good point and said, seie hasn't had any issues. Seie did.

2403
03:03:17,435 --> 03:03:21,365
seie had a really big fire. They also had toxic waste leak into fresh

2404
03:03:21,565 --> 03:03:24,885
water systems. And whether we wanna acknowledge it or not, that's a real strain.

2405
03:03:26,425 --> 03:03:30,345
we don't have a whole lot of first responders in this town. We are growing, but

2406
03:03:30,565 --> 03:03:34,065
we don't have a whole lot. And you want us to send, you want me

2407
03:03:35,025 --> 03:03:38,385
to send my husband into things like this under-resourced,

2408
03:03:39,845 --> 03:03:42,745
understaffed, under supplied. Why?

2409
03:03:44,145 --> 03:03:48,005
why? So I can have no new customers. So I can

2410
03:03:48,165 --> 03:03:52,025
have my children watching a data center and no bunnies in my backyard so my garden can

2411
03:03:52,245 --> 03:03:56,005
die. So I can't resell my home when I wanna build my farmstead

2412
03:03:56,405 --> 03:03:59,345
and, and actually live on site with my horses. Why?

2413
03:04:01,105 --> 03:04:05,045
I'm urging you to listen because I'm not, I'm not sitting here saying,

2414
03:04:05,245 --> 03:04:08,405
let's not do the data center. I I don't want a data center. This is zoning.

2415
03:04:09,725 --> 03:04:12,685
I don't want heavy construction in my backyard. I don't want

2416
03:04:14,705 --> 03:04:18,485
institutionalized places that make loud noises and make it impossible for my

2417
03:04:18,725 --> 03:04:22,605
children who I'm worried about, who they're hiring and what they're doing around my family.

2418
03:04:24,085 --> 03:04:27,765
I want safety. I want security. I don't want more taxes

2419
03:04:28,385 --> 03:04:32,085
on my water system when I already have to call y'all every other week. 'cause the water's

2420
03:04:32,445 --> 03:04:35,525
brown. But I'm paying a couple hundred dollars

2421
03:04:37,185 --> 03:04:40,485
for a family of four with children that I have to fight to take a bath.

2422
03:04:41,365 --> 03:04:44,685
. I mean, come on . You have kids. So like,

2423
03:04:45,585 --> 03:04:49,485
I'm asking you to really think about this. Are do we have more spaces for first

2424
03:04:49,645 --> 03:04:53,185
responders? Do we, do we have the finances for it? Because

2425
03:04:53,705 --> 03:04:57,625
I don't see him picking up the bill. I see us picking up the bill. I see it coming

2426
03:04:57,785 --> 03:05:01,665
out of our tax dollars when we're already taxed out the wazoo to pay for

2427
03:05:01,935 --> 03:05:05,865
more first responders than I would love nothing more, honestly. Um, but I don't wanna

2428
03:05:06,025 --> 03:05:09,425
have to pay for all the equipment that's gonna take to put the batteries out when the batteries catch fire.

2429
03:05:11,045 --> 03:05:14,965
and then what about my home? Is my home in danger? So all

2430
03:05:15,185 --> 03:05:19,145
of my crap is no longer worth anything because it caught on fire and

2431
03:05:19,305 --> 03:05:23,035
it, it spread and we couldn't get it. We couldn't get a handle on it. Five hours

2432
03:05:23,925 --> 03:05:27,865
for round rock. And round rock has a significantly larger first responder district,

2433
03:05:28,935 --> 03:05:32,785
five hours. Not to mention the families

2434
03:05:33,135 --> 03:05:37,065
that are impacted by the toxins that were, they were exposed to on the

2435
03:05:37,265 --> 03:05:41,105
job. And they're already, they're already risking everything. It's already

2436
03:05:41,465 --> 03:05:45,465
a debate about whether or not he's coming home. And now I wanna expose him to

2437
03:05:45,625 --> 03:05:49,585
more. That doesn't seem fair and that's

2438
03:05:49,865 --> 03:05:53,385
not being talked about enough. But I'm not really gonna shy away from that when it's my family,

2439
03:05:54,495 --> 03:05:58,255
when it's my, my community that I'm so plugged into because

2440
03:05:58,805 --> 03:06:02,095
I'm a first responder spouse. Please consider that

2441
03:06:02,875 --> 03:06:06,415
you could put a park in, you could give us a space for our kids to grow and

2442
03:06:06,895 --> 03:06:10,475
flourish. I'm, I'm also an lpca, almost a . Um,

2443
03:06:11,335 --> 03:06:15,295
I sit with our youth. I sit with the mental health

2444
03:06:15,635 --> 03:06:19,475
of our youth. And you're telling me that a data

2445
03:06:19,755 --> 03:06:23,585
center is more important than the kids that wanna commit suicide

2446
03:06:24,075 --> 03:06:26,355
on a weekly basis. That I'm having to talk down,

2447
03:06:28,545 --> 03:06:32,505
that I'm having to hold the broken pieces of them because

2448
03:06:32,995 --> 03:06:36,075
they don't have anywhere where they can let loose and be kids for a minute. That's safe.

2449
03:06:37,925 --> 03:06:41,885
I have one park in my neighborhood and it's about as old as the

2450
03:06:42,045 --> 03:06:45,965
neighborhood. And it, it's not really safe. And we don't let the kids go. I

2451
03:06:46,085 --> 03:06:49,845
have to go to round rock, cedar park, leander. Why don't we have something like that?

2452
03:06:51,585 --> 03:06:55,425
do we not care about our kids that much? We're a young town.

2453
03:06:56,765 --> 03:06:59,825
we have families. A lot of our community is families.

2454
03:07:01,155 --> 03:07:04,945
can we start paying attention to them because we're here, we're

2455
03:07:05,295 --> 03:07:08,535
the future. And I'm already halfway out the door

2456
03:07:09,325 --> 03:07:13,105
because what the heck? And I'm not really advocating

2457
03:07:13,895 --> 03:07:17,895
come live in huddle. I'm not. I wanna

2458
03:07:18,115 --> 03:07:21,975
be. I love y'all. I wanna be, but quite

2459
03:07:22,215 --> 03:07:26,215
frankly, it's really hard when stuff like this gets pushed and a data center company comes in and says,

2460
03:07:26,395 --> 03:07:30,375
we don't mean any harm and we're not gonna do any harm. But my other next point then I'm gonna end

2461
03:07:30,535 --> 03:07:34,255
with this one. If he doesn't honor everything he says, we have two options

2462
03:07:34,595 --> 03:07:38,455
as a community. We get into a really pricey lawsuit that we may or may not be able

2463
03:07:38,615 --> 03:07:42,375
to afford. Or we turn a blind eye and they get to do whatever the hell they wanna do. Pardon

2464
03:07:42,695 --> 03:07:42,895
my french.

2465
03:07:50,215 --> 03:07:54,175
I urge you to think about that. It is unchecked, it

2466
03:07:54,375 --> 03:07:57,655
is unregulated across the country. Don't let it into our waters,

2467
03:07:58,785 --> 03:08:01,085
please. Thank you. Thank you.

2468
03:08:07,675 --> 03:08:09,165
next up is colby taylor.

2469
03:08:16,135 --> 03:08:19,595
colby taylor. I live at 1204 round cove in car meadows.

2470
03:08:20,545 --> 03:08:23,915
I'm not a cross the street permit or anything. I'm about a mile away.

2471
03:08:25,495 --> 03:08:29,495
the whole point here is, uh, the rezoning. I think it's pretty common sense. Uh,

2472
03:08:30,255 --> 03:08:33,905
you're within the two three mile radius. What do you have residential?

2473
03:08:35,115 --> 03:08:38,875
families. Families. Families. Families. Use the space for families, right?

2474
03:08:39,515 --> 03:08:43,035
I mean, make it a garden, make it something else. The data center doesn't make any sense.

2475
03:08:43,675 --> 03:08:47,635
I work in the industry. It would bring my company lots of money. It was actually kind of funny

2476
03:08:48,075 --> 03:08:51,875
'cause I worked with every company that he put up there. They don't, though, they

2477
03:08:52,155 --> 03:08:55,495
don't have anyone to go into the data center yet. But

2478
03:08:56,965 --> 03:09:00,715
again, do something for the families, not for another

2479
03:09:01,195 --> 03:09:04,315
greedy company. You have plenty of them. That's it. Thank you.

2480
03:09:05,245 --> 03:09:05,635
thank you.

2481
03:09:10,695 --> 03:09:14,155
all right. Congratulations. Three quarters of the way. Done. .

2482
03:09:15,625 --> 03:09:18,145
next up is robert roseberry.

2483
03:09:20,495 --> 03:09:24,465
all right. Sorry. Couldn't tell if it was a wire. K yeah,

2484
03:09:24,755 --> 03:09:28,635
I know. I'm sorry. My handwriting is not good. Are your doctor, my name is robert roseberry.

2485
03:09:29,155 --> 03:09:33,035
I live at 2 2 7 dale street, huddle square. I've been there about 12

2486
03:09:33,315 --> 03:09:37,295
years. Uh, we started to raise a family there. Um,

2487
03:09:38,655 --> 03:09:42,395
I'm a united states air force veteran. Uh, worked for the state for 10 years. I've

2488
03:09:42,675 --> 03:09:45,455
worked in construction. I'm a cancer patient. Um,

2489
03:09:49,455 --> 03:09:53,145
the gentleman here, uh, had a nice presentation. Um,

2490
03:09:53,705 --> 03:09:57,265
one lady pointed out there was some question about it, but,

2491
03:09:58,105 --> 03:10:02,045
um, it was a nice presentation and I, if, if I was getting paid to be here to sell this to

2492
03:10:02,205 --> 03:10:06,005
you, I probably would've said the same thing. Um, and he

2493
03:10:06,405 --> 03:10:09,845
actually, uh, proved some of our points in his presentation. There are health concerns.

2494
03:10:11,225 --> 03:10:14,805
um, uh, like I said, I'm a cancer patient. I have several other disabilities.

2495
03:10:15,625 --> 03:10:19,465
um, I don't need more. I don't want my kids to have more. Uh, our

2496
03:10:19,685 --> 03:10:23,545
house is about 2000 feet to the east of the proposed location, uh,

2497
03:10:24,585 --> 03:10:28,585
um, the school and about a hundred houses are

2498
03:10:28,805 --> 03:10:32,725
between, uh, me in there. Um, he, he

2499
03:10:32,925 --> 03:10:36,835
proved some of our points in his presentation, uh, when he addressed the health concerns, uh, when

2500
03:10:37,125 --> 03:10:40,805
he addressed the noise concerns, the water concerns, the power consumption, uh, concerns.

2501
03:10:42,105 --> 03:10:45,965
um, and one person brought up apparently the, the temperature concerns

2502
03:10:46,395 --> 03:10:50,205
that, uh, surround the data center as well. And, and he did mention that there are different

2503
03:10:50,445 --> 03:10:54,335
types of data centers. They're not, uh, all, uh, created equal.

2504
03:10:55,425 --> 03:10:58,985
um, but a quick google search on any of these, uh,

2505
03:11:00,625 --> 03:11:04,545
topics that a lot of people have brought up, um, will show you like, yes,

2506
03:11:04,765 --> 03:11:07,945
there are health concerns. Um, he cannot say

2507
03:11:08,875 --> 03:11:11,745
that this is a hundred percent safe. Um,

2508
03:11:13,465 --> 03:11:17,325
how many years after asbestos was used, uh, was in until they determined,

2509
03:11:17,525 --> 03:11:21,325
hey, this is actually bad for you. Mm-hmm . Um, madam cury

2510
03:11:21,605 --> 03:11:24,985
found out when it was too late, the radiation was bad for her. Um,

2511
03:11:26,375 --> 03:11:30,305
there was a movie that came out in the late nineties, early two thousands, um,

2512
03:11:30,995 --> 03:11:34,985
that was based on a true story, aaron brockovich, where, uh, the company is

2513
03:11:35,205 --> 03:11:39,085
saying it's safe. It's safe, it's safe. Meanwhile, all the people in the area are getting

2514
03:11:39,245 --> 03:11:41,665
poison from contaminated groundwater. Um,

2515
03:11:44,105 --> 03:11:48,005
so, uh, I wanna I wanna pause and just ask

2516
03:11:48,205 --> 03:11:51,965
a question real quick. Um, I I've been to a city council meeting or,

2517
03:11:52,225 --> 03:11:56,045
or or two before. Um, I haven't been to a planning and zoning meeting before.

2518
03:11:56,705 --> 03:12:00,625
is the turnout here today? Standing room, room only. Is that normal for

2519
03:12:00,845 --> 03:12:04,675
your meetings? ? We've had standing, standing room only

2520
03:12:05,575 --> 03:12:09,425
twice in the eight years that I've been on pnz. And

2521
03:12:09,645 --> 03:12:13,165
you have a meeting once a month. That's true. Once a month. Once a month, a month.

2522
03:12:14,225 --> 03:12:18,045
um, and there was the gentleman that represents,

2523
03:12:18,565 --> 03:12:22,445
re represents the company and then one of lady that we're in favor.

2524
03:12:23,065 --> 03:12:26,965
but everybody else I've heard so far has been a resounding, no, we don't want this.

2525
03:12:27,585 --> 03:12:31,545
and as the one gentleman pointed out, we're not anti-development. Um,

2526
03:12:31,935 --> 03:12:35,845
we're just, we don't want this possible health hazard and other concerns

2527
03:12:36,785 --> 03:12:40,285
in our neighborhood. Um, and, and, and the gentleman

2528
03:12:40,845 --> 03:12:44,765
representing the company did bring up, um, what else

2529
03:12:44,925 --> 03:12:48,905
are you gonna do with that property? Uh, and, and a couple people have addressed that, but

2530
03:12:50,265 --> 03:12:54,205
we don't have to do anything with it. Not doing anything with it to me

2531
03:12:54,375 --> 03:12:57,745
would be a better choice than a potential health hazard. And

2532
03:12:58,465 --> 03:12:58,705
he did.

2533
03:13:02,545 --> 03:13:05,585
and, and of course there are brother options that other people brought up, but, uh,

2534
03:13:07,025 --> 03:13:10,705
he brought up the, the, the water, the closed loop system. Um,

2535
03:13:11,435 --> 03:13:14,165
like I said, I, I've worked for the government. I've, I've been in construction

2536
03:13:15,505 --> 03:13:19,355
and, and they have all these plans and all these, uh, um, ways

2537
03:13:19,665 --> 03:13:23,185
to mitigate the noise and the water consumption. And

2538
03:13:23,685 --> 03:13:27,605
I didn't hear one to, they have the backup generators, which would create another problem as other people

2539
03:13:27,925 --> 03:13:31,245
have pointed out. Um, but this closed loop water system,

2540
03:13:32,345 --> 03:13:36,245
um, I've been around long enough to know, okay, the water they put in there

2541
03:13:36,365 --> 03:13:40,205
on day one, it's not gonna be the water that's in there 10 years from now. There there's gonna be issues.

2542
03:13:40,595 --> 03:13:43,465
they're gonna have to, I would assume, uh,

2543
03:13:44,715 --> 03:13:48,425
replace that water every now and then. Uh, what happens with that water? How

2544
03:13:48,845 --> 03:13:51,145
contaminated is it? What are they gonna do with it? Um,

2545
03:13:56,595 --> 03:14:00,435
they're, they're gonna have to flush it. Just like the fire hydrants. They're gonna have to keep

2546
03:14:00,725 --> 03:14:04,265
adding water to it. And, and in a city where for

2547
03:14:04,825 --> 03:14:08,765
months on end, every single year, for as long as I've lived here, we've been in

2548
03:14:08,845 --> 03:14:12,595
water restriction. Um, and yeah, he pointed out that an apartment complex

2549
03:14:13,185 --> 03:14:17,125
is probably used more water. That's, I I, I'd be okay

2550
03:14:17,325 --> 03:14:20,785
with that. Um, that's providing more places to live. Um,

2551
03:14:22,665 --> 03:14:26,665
and, uh, power concerns. The

2552
03:14:26,885 --> 03:14:30,605
one gentleman pointed out how much more power it would need. Our power system is strain.

2553
03:14:30,995 --> 03:14:34,075
like he pointed, one guy pointed out in, in 2021 snowpocalypse.

2554
03:14:35,425 --> 03:14:39,285
um, it proved to us that our grid couldn't handle what

2555
03:14:39,445 --> 03:14:43,325
we have. So I don't know what our infrastructure is supposed to do to

2556
03:14:43,525 --> 03:14:46,945
support this, but I don't think we want it anyway. Um,

2557
03:14:49,045 --> 03:14:52,965
apparently I did a quick google search 'cause somebody brought up to me, one of my neighbors over here brought up to me that

2558
03:14:53,245 --> 03:14:57,065
apparently, uh, in a data center area, it can raise the,

2559
03:14:57,705 --> 03:15:01,645
the temperature of the area. Mm-hmm . And a quick google

2560
03:15:01,925 --> 03:15:05,765
search. Uh, ironically ai told me

2561
03:15:06,315 --> 03:15:09,885
that, uh, within a six mile range, uh, it can raise the temperature.

2562
03:15:11,385 --> 03:15:15,125
um, and there's also radiation concerns. I looked that up too while I was sitting here waiting

2563
03:15:15,785 --> 03:15:19,725
and he said, yeah, it's not ionizing radiation, but obviously there

2564
03:15:19,925 --> 03:15:23,885
is radiation. Um, and some people may say,

2565
03:15:24,075 --> 03:15:27,765
well that's not harmful. It is harmful. It's questionable. This whole thing is questionable

2566
03:15:28,105 --> 03:15:31,905
at best. And you,

2567
03:15:32,185 --> 03:15:36,135
uh, the, the only good thing I've heard here about

2568
03:15:36,485 --> 03:15:40,405
having a data center would be revenue for the city. Um, I think

2569
03:15:40,595 --> 03:15:44,385
it's not worth it. Um, related to

2570
03:15:44,605 --> 03:15:47,635
the risks. And yeah, they, they,

2571
03:15:49,125 --> 03:15:52,625
I was reminded of the wizard or I was paying no attention to the man behind the curtain. Um,

2572
03:15:54,555 --> 03:15:58,445
when uh, they have all these concerns that he did bring up and he validated our

2573
03:15:58,645 --> 03:16:02,515
concerns there and he's got an answer for everything, which is concerning in itself. , they

2574
03:16:02,805 --> 03:16:06,425
got the right answer for everything. But one lady brought up, um,

2575
03:16:07,595 --> 03:16:11,025
once it's done, it's done. And this is our time to

2576
03:16:12,485 --> 03:16:14,795
stop it from happening. This is our time to,

2577
03:16:18,195 --> 03:16:22,115
you have an overwhelming option here to

2578
03:16:22,335 --> 03:16:25,855
listen to the community or to choose

2579
03:16:26,785 --> 03:16:30,735
money. And, and basically all the people that have come up

2580
03:16:30,855 --> 03:16:34,135
here and talked that that's the way I see it, that's your option.

2581
03:16:35,715 --> 03:16:39,655
um, and he mentioned like acceptable levels of pollution and noise

2582
03:16:39,895 --> 03:16:43,775
and radiation and everything. And there's been talk about selling

2583
03:16:44,255 --> 03:16:48,175
your houses and moving. 'cause you don't wanna live next to a data center. I'd be willing

2584
03:16:48,335 --> 03:16:50,745
to bet if you tried to put it on the market today,

2585
03:16:52,365 --> 03:16:56,295
good luck selling it because right now the buyer's gonna find

2586
03:16:56,415 --> 03:17:00,275
out, oh, they're thinking about putting a data center there and it's probably gonna go through because the

2587
03:17:00,495 --> 03:17:03,535
little guy most of the time doesn't turn out well for him.

2588
03:17:06,405 --> 03:17:09,865
good luck with that right now I'm talking about today.

2589
03:17:10,935 --> 03:17:12,415
I could be wrong, but that'd be my guess.

2590
03:17:16,175 --> 03:17:19,215
I think I got everything. I'm sorry if I went too long. Thank you. Thank you.

2591
03:17:26,675 --> 03:17:28,435
all right, next up is gary oldham.

2592
03:17:35,155 --> 03:17:38,855
so good evening. My name is gary oldham.

2593
03:17:39,295 --> 03:17:43,215
I live at 29 28 clinton place in, uh, far northeast round rock, texas.

2594
03:17:43,645 --> 03:17:46,935
I've lived there for 20 years and I frequently shop and dine in in hu.

2595
03:17:48,035 --> 03:17:52,015
I'm one of the co-founders of protect round rock. We're a grassroots community organization

2596
03:17:52,655 --> 03:17:56,475
formed last december to oppose what ultimately became the

2597
03:17:56,705 --> 03:18:00,595
ninth data center to be approved in round rock. Uh,

2598
03:18:01,165 --> 03:18:05,105
make no mistake, artificial intelligence and greed

2599
03:18:06,315 --> 03:18:10,135
are the reasons data centers are exploding, particularly across

2600
03:18:10,495 --> 03:18:14,295
texas. You've heard concerns, very, very valid concerns.

2601
03:18:14,855 --> 03:18:18,835
we've heard, I heard from the applicant and I, I was

2602
03:18:19,055 --> 03:18:22,725
somewhere between deja vu and ptsd hearing those claims because

2603
03:18:23,215 --> 03:18:26,975
they are almost verbatim the same false claims

2604
03:18:27,445 --> 03:18:31,215
made by the data center developers in round rock. They're saying from

2605
03:18:31,455 --> 03:18:35,215
the same hymnal, but that hymnals a work of fiction. Along with the other compelling

2606
03:18:35,815 --> 03:18:39,375
reasons there are to reject data centers like auditory

2607
03:18:39,935 --> 03:18:43,645
noise pollution, the visual blight, the insidious

2608
03:18:44,835 --> 03:18:48,585
low frequency sound, the infrasound that causes real health

2609
03:18:49,035 --> 03:18:52,585
impacts on human beings, on animals, on

2610
03:18:53,045 --> 03:18:56,825
wildlife and livestock. And the strain on the grid. Yes,

2611
03:18:57,075 --> 03:19:00,875
data center developers have to pay to connect to the grid, but guess what? That

2612
03:19:01,165 --> 03:19:04,645
grid, the electrical provider has to generate far more

2613
03:19:05,365 --> 03:19:09,245
electricity and distribute that electricity to support these data centers. And we rate payers.

2614
03:19:09,645 --> 03:19:13,485
everybody in this room and all of you pay for that. We are subsidizing involuntarily

2615
03:19:14,545 --> 03:19:18,485
the data center industry through, through our electric bills. But I wanna

2616
03:19:18,685 --> 03:19:22,525
talk about something else I was pleased to hear some people touch on already. I spent

2617
03:19:22,835 --> 03:19:26,705
half my lengthy career in the fire service. I'm

2618
03:19:26,925 --> 03:19:30,845
a member today of the international association of fire chiefs national fire protection association.

2619
03:19:31,585 --> 03:19:35,485
I'm a survivor of occupational cancer that I acquired through exposure

2620
03:19:35,665 --> 03:19:37,925
to carcinogens on the job in the fire service.

2621
03:19:40,125 --> 03:19:44,005
a couple people already mentioned one of the fires that sabe data center round rock

2622
03:19:44,245 --> 03:19:47,485
has had, they've been operational for about two years. In march, 2024,

2623
03:19:48,565 --> 03:19:52,235
there was a second alarm fire there. It required 14 pieces of fire apparatus.

2624
03:19:52,845 --> 03:19:56,745
it was a second alarm fire, including automatic aid from adjoining cities. It

2625
03:19:56,965 --> 03:20:00,705
took five hours to bring under control. And with all the automatic aid

2626
03:20:01,045 --> 03:20:04,685
and other resources provided to round rock, that drew down fire resources throughout

2627
03:20:05,205 --> 03:20:09,205
the region, putting everybody at greater risk during that time, 14

2628
03:20:09,365 --> 03:20:12,925
pieces of apparatus, 44 firefighters caused $2 million in damage.

2629
03:20:15,045 --> 03:20:19,025
it also caused about $400,000 in damage city property, personal

2630
03:20:19,145 --> 03:20:22,905
protective equipment of those firefighters that had to be destroyed and replaced.

2631
03:20:24,155 --> 03:20:28,105
40 plus firefighters were exposed to carcinogens and other toxins. They're

2632
03:20:28,585 --> 03:20:32,445
gonna have to worry about having a ticking time bomb inside their bodies for the rest of their lives. And

2633
03:20:32,665 --> 03:20:34,555
hopefully they'll live a full life, but they'll always have that worry.

2634
03:20:37,365 --> 03:20:41,065
in addition, this, the, the, the second alarm fire on the 24

2635
03:20:41,485 --> 03:20:45,265
or the 22nd of march in 2024 was in a roofless battery

2636
03:20:45,945 --> 03:20:49,865
building. And throughout the entire time that fire was occurring in that building,

2637
03:20:50,155 --> 03:20:53,725
toxic smoke was billing out of the area and

2638
03:20:54,225 --> 03:20:57,545
directly into the neighborhoods adjacent to the sb data center.

2639
03:20:58,285 --> 03:21:02,105
you have homes on either side of this proposed location. There's, uh, cottonwood creek

2640
03:21:02,305 --> 03:21:05,905
elementary is a quarter mile away. Hu middle schools just a little further than that,

2641
03:21:07,185 --> 03:21:10,785
directly in the path of any smoke, particularly with a, a dominant southwest wind that we have here.

2642
03:21:12,455 --> 03:21:16,265
when, when using the techniques of sb folks instructed ground rock

2643
03:21:16,505 --> 03:21:20,505
fire to use dry chemical extinguishers proved insufficient. They had to

2644
03:21:20,585 --> 03:21:24,405
apply copious amounts of water to extinguish that fire. The water runoff

2645
03:21:24,915 --> 03:21:28,905
containing carcinogens and other toxins went into the storm drain. It went into

2646
03:21:29,125 --> 03:21:33,025
brushy creek. And when we talk about environmental hazards, it's not just a day-to-day

2647
03:21:33,465 --> 03:21:37,345
operations, but it's things like this. They've had a second structure fire

2648
03:21:37,625 --> 03:21:41,585
this year in another battery compartment. Uh, building wasn't quite as

2649
03:21:41,785 --> 03:21:45,525
severe as the first one, but that's two major fires in just two years.

2650
03:21:46,225 --> 03:21:50,165
and that's the kind of risk you're accepting willingly if you allowed another data center

2651
03:21:50,445 --> 03:21:54,365
in your community. It is an absolute lie to say

2652
03:21:54,525 --> 03:21:58,405
the data centers do not place a demand on emergency services, and they don't place

2653
03:21:58,685 --> 03:22:02,445
a threat to the environment or the community or their wellbeing of the people. And that's in your

2654
03:22:02,925 --> 03:22:06,925
city. I would urge you to represent and look out for the best

2655
03:22:07,365 --> 03:22:11,045
interest of the human beings that make up the beautiful and vibrant community

2656
03:22:11,565 --> 03:22:15,415
of hudu. It's not the soulless concrete buildings churning data, supporting

2657
03:22:16,265 --> 03:22:20,195
ai, supporting mass surveillance that make your community a beautiful place to live. It's

2658
03:22:20,485 --> 03:22:24,445
the people, the people behind me, the people at the deus look out

2659
03:22:24,605 --> 03:22:27,085
for their best interest and deny this application.

2660
03:22:29,885 --> 03:22:31,965
I have a copy of the fire report that'll leave.

2661
03:22:38,475 --> 03:22:39,205
next up we have richard booth.

2662
03:22:45,745 --> 03:22:49,545
um, hi, my name is richard booth. I work at, I live at, uh, and

2663
03:22:49,805 --> 03:22:53,175
I work at, uh, 1 0 9 emory stable drive in, uh, emory farms.

2664
03:22:54,385 --> 03:22:58,125
um, I've doodled all over my notes, so I don't

2665
03:22:58,725 --> 03:23:02,005
wanna, uh, go over a bunch of things that have already been talked about.

2666
03:23:03,065 --> 03:23:06,965
um, I'm a retired environmental engineer, but I still work.

2667
03:23:07,865 --> 03:23:11,765
uh, in the last five years I've worked as the air quality consultant on 18

2668
03:23:11,955 --> 03:23:15,845
data centers, 16 in california, one in texas, and one in chicago.

2669
03:23:17,385 --> 03:23:20,945
um, I can honestly tell you that the site over on

2670
03:23:21,525 --> 03:23:24,915
ed schmidt is the worst data center site process

2671
03:23:25,755 --> 03:23:29,605
I've ever seen. Nothing even comes close to being as worse

2672
03:23:29,845 --> 03:23:33,185
as that. I wanna make one statement here. Um,

2673
03:23:35,555 --> 03:23:38,185
everybody's brought up some really good points, um,

2674
03:23:39,665 --> 03:23:43,605
but I think the main issue has been overlooked and minimized. And I'll tell you what I think

2675
03:23:43,725 --> 03:23:47,325
it is. I think what we should be asking is, is this appropriate

2676
03:23:48,185 --> 03:23:51,925
and necessary to locate, locate a data center that will be

2677
03:23:52,405 --> 03:23:55,845
sandwiched in between four large existing housing developments

2678
03:23:57,065 --> 03:24:00,435
in close proximity to an elementary and a middle school, several

2679
03:24:01,245 --> 03:24:04,845
churches, and a myriad of local businesses? I think the answer to that

2680
03:24:05,285 --> 03:24:09,085
question is no. In my opinion, the site represents

2681
03:24:09,325 --> 03:24:13,315
a poor choice as a location for a data center, and it certainly conveys

2682
03:24:14,005 --> 03:24:17,525
a complete lack of concern with respect to the lives and wellbeing

2683
03:24:18,065 --> 03:24:22,045
of the residents who live in the nearby subdivisions whose children will attend

2684
03:24:22,325 --> 03:24:26,085
the nearby schools. And for the people who work at all the nearby businesses,

2685
03:24:27,855 --> 03:24:31,035
based upon the concerns being addressed by the texas legislature

2686
03:24:31,865 --> 03:24:35,825
via uh, sb six, it may be beneficial for the city of hu

2687
03:24:36,185 --> 03:24:39,645
to step back and wait till all of these environmental inciting

2688
03:24:40,205 --> 03:24:43,945
concerns are dealt with in a responsible manner. Hu

2689
03:24:44,275 --> 03:24:48,205
already has a proposed 600 megawatt hyperscale data center

2690
03:24:48,975 --> 03:24:52,835
being built out on the east side. I think we've done our part with

2691
03:24:53,125 --> 03:24:56,965
respect to data centers. , uh, I've previously submitted

2692
03:24:57,565 --> 03:25:01,405
a whole list of questions to the planning commissioner. I've revised those.

2693
03:25:01,845 --> 03:25:05,365
I have a set here and I would like to request that I be allowed to put 'em into the public record.

2694
03:25:07,705 --> 03:25:11,285
can do. Thank you.

2695
03:25:14,915 --> 03:25:18,715
in closing, I I'd like to, uh, answer just a couple of concerns that I've heard and

2696
03:25:18,935 --> 03:25:22,585
I'll make this very quick. Uh, the gentleman before me was talking about

2697
03:25:22,955 --> 03:25:26,575
the best fires, bess battery energy storage

2698
03:25:27,015 --> 03:25:30,935
systems. I've worked on those projects in california at the moss landing

2699
03:25:31,575 --> 03:25:35,215
facility at the corbe best facility, and I'm currently working on another one.

2700
03:25:36,355 --> 03:25:39,895
uh, those fires are extremely hard to put out.

2701
03:25:41,165 --> 03:25:45,095
they emit huge amounts of toxic materials, hydrogen fluoride being

2702
03:25:45,395 --> 03:25:48,395
the, the most pr uh, prevalent. Um,

2703
03:25:50,975 --> 03:25:54,815
I was a little bit concerned when I got the notice in the mail that was only sent out to the residence

2704
03:25:55,335 --> 03:25:57,595
within 200 feet. Uh,

2705
03:25:59,625 --> 03:26:03,575
right now, when we do modeling for these facilities, we go out to a two and a

2706
03:26:03,695 --> 03:26:07,205
half mile radius around the plant, not 200 feet.

2707
03:26:08,595 --> 03:26:12,425
so you've got schools, churches, and hundreds and hundreds of families that could

2708
03:26:13,175 --> 03:26:17,145
possibly be impacted by any type of accident at one of these facilities.

2709
03:26:18,395 --> 03:26:21,215
not only the accident, but the, just the use of the emergency generators.

2710
03:26:23,235 --> 03:26:27,095
um, one gentleman brought up

2711
03:26:27,295 --> 03:26:31,235
the fact that, uh, uh, a small facility on, on

2712
03:26:31,555 --> 03:26:34,865
he, he stated a false small facility on 15 acres.

2713
03:26:35,955 --> 03:26:39,225
uh, well this is a small facility on 42 acres.

2714
03:26:40,515 --> 03:26:43,095
we regularly routine, routinely permit

2715
03:26:44,525 --> 03:26:48,415
much larger data centers above a hundred megawatts on acreage as low as 15

2716
03:26:48,825 --> 03:26:52,695
acres. So this acre, this acreage up here could hold a lot more

2717
03:26:53,755 --> 03:26:57,685
and we certainly don't want that. Um, I've

2718
03:26:57,975 --> 03:27:01,795
given, uh, the copy to the gentleman and I really appreciate the

2719
03:27:02,015 --> 03:27:04,815
opportunity to speak before the commission. Thank you.

2720
03:27:12,085 --> 03:27:12,695
next is matthew martin.

2721
03:27:18,195 --> 03:27:22,175
uh, good evening. I'm, uh, matthew martin. 2 2 8 hilton street, hu town square.

2722
03:27:23,275 --> 03:27:27,095
uh, you may have seen me in h uh, the ho 18 meeting call was I idaho last week.

2723
03:27:27,515 --> 03:27:31,125
and I'm speaking more to agenda item 6.5 here.

2724
03:27:32,315 --> 03:27:36,055
my primary concern is in regards to sound levels, particularly as current huda ordinances

2725
03:27:36,635 --> 03:27:40,495
do not speak to c weighted decibel limits, which cover the low drum vibrations

2726
03:27:41,045 --> 03:27:44,725
of data centers decided to go, brought up a good point during the hoa

2727
03:27:45,165 --> 03:27:48,955
meeting and that I did not have a proposal for what the limit should be. Thus,

2728
03:27:49,405 --> 03:27:53,405
I conducted some research on how other city ordinances handled this issue. I found

2729
03:27:53,605 --> 03:27:57,605
the language imbued as ordinance to be quite agreeable. As noted for any sound source

2730
03:27:57,875 --> 03:28:01,125
regulated by this article. The c weighted sound level dbc

2731
03:28:02,015 --> 03:28:05,515
shall not exceed the a weighted sound level dba when

2732
03:28:06,045 --> 03:28:08,965
measured at the real property line of the property from which the sound is generated

2733
03:28:10,345 --> 03:28:13,885
in terms of the quantitative limit. I did note that zydeco hoa

2734
03:28:14,565 --> 03:28:18,445
presentation slide 19 on tonight's presentation, had the

2735
03:28:18,605 --> 03:28:22,405
following language for reference, sound levels at the property boundary are

2736
03:28:22,765 --> 03:28:26,205
expected to be below approximately 40 dba, which is comparable

2737
03:28:26,805 --> 03:28:30,805
to a quiet residential environment. My suggestion would thus be that the

2738
03:28:30,925 --> 03:28:34,505
sound limit at the property boundary be both under 40 dba and

2739
03:28:35,055 --> 03:28:38,805
40 dbc. Uh, you were talked about,

2740
03:28:39,305 --> 03:28:43,255
uh, the predictive noise impact assessment. Someone, uh, uh, rightfully

2741
03:28:43,925 --> 03:28:47,645
said, hey, we need a third party acoustic engineer, not so, uh, self-selected.

2742
03:28:48,925 --> 03:28:52,445
I would also want to add that interns of the noise impact assessment, a couple stipulations.

2743
03:28:53,905 --> 03:28:57,445
one, the baseline measurement should be in the dead of night, say 3:00 am

2744
03:28:58,625 --> 03:29:02,245
and also an elevation of a second story home as sound would travel

2745
03:29:02,765 --> 03:29:06,765
directly to folk story home. Uh, second story rooms not being blocked by fences, for

2746
03:29:06,965 --> 03:29:10,605
example. Also, we should include a stipulation on how ongoing

2747
03:29:11,005 --> 03:29:14,445
testing would be performed to ensure this data center remains compliant,

2748
03:29:15,215 --> 03:29:18,845
along with what penalties and potential shutdown procedures would entail for continued

2749
03:29:19,285 --> 03:29:23,125
violation. In addition to my sound concern above, I am seeking

2750
03:29:23,435 --> 03:29:27,245
clarification on this, uh, on if this upcoming vote on the agenda,

2751
03:29:27,715 --> 03:29:31,545
item six, uh, 6.5 triggers the vested

2752
03:29:32,105 --> 03:29:35,185
in, uh, vested right statute of local government code chapter 2 45,

2753
03:29:36,885 --> 03:29:40,495
specifically section 2 45 0.002 a two, which

2754
03:29:40,905 --> 03:29:44,845
in summary provides grandfathering protections for a plan for develop

2755
03:29:45,165 --> 03:29:48,905
development of real property or plat application is filed with a regulatory agency.

2756
03:29:50,305 --> 03:29:53,955
my concern here is that the amendment request for the plan unit development fits

2757
03:29:54,405 --> 03:29:58,085
a two language of a plan for development. As I'm understanding

2758
03:29:58,445 --> 03:30:02,285
this, any stipulations that you wish to include in the pud would need

2759
03:30:02,485 --> 03:30:05,825
to be addressed via altering the present amendment requests being voted on may 7th

2760
03:30:06,785 --> 03:30:10,405
to emphasize, I have concerns that if we vote to approve on may 7th,

2761
03:30:11,185 --> 03:30:15,085
we would no longer be able to add stipulations to the pud instead being beholden

2762
03:30:15,645 --> 03:30:19,605
to our present insufficient ordinances. If this is the case, we should

2763
03:30:19,755 --> 03:30:23,485
deny this specific amendment request, adjusting to a more agreeable amendment request before

2764
03:30:23,805 --> 03:30:27,105
go forward. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you.

2765
03:30:32,995 --> 03:30:34,085
next is katie martin.

2766
03:30:37,715 --> 03:30:41,685
good evening. My name is katie martin. I live at 2 2 8 hilton street in hu town square.

2767
03:30:42,585 --> 03:30:46,575
I'm about 200 feet from the pro proposed site and I'm here to formally voice

2768
03:30:46,985 --> 03:30:50,725
my opposition to the zoning change. I wanna echo some of the concerns

2769
03:30:51,085 --> 03:30:54,925
of the other speakers, um, especially when it comes to noise level, the temperature and the

2770
03:30:55,135 --> 03:30:58,925
fires. Um, but in my comments, I wanna focus on the character of our neighborhood.

2771
03:30:59,665 --> 03:31:03,645
my husband and I chose to buy our very first home in hu specifically because of the

2772
03:31:03,805 --> 03:31:07,745
small town feel. If there had been a data center in that space when my husband and

2773
03:31:07,965 --> 03:31:11,945
I were looking at houses, we likely wouldn't have moved to this neighborhood. If

2774
03:31:12,165 --> 03:31:16,165
the building ends up producing industrial noise, even at a low volume, even if it's

2775
03:31:16,365 --> 03:31:20,365
well below city ordinance levels, who will want to buy our home if we

2776
03:31:20,565 --> 03:31:24,445
decide to move because we don't want to listen to it anymore. I personally

2777
03:31:24,885 --> 03:31:28,085
would prefer if this land remained an open space like a park, as some have suggested.

2778
03:31:29,425 --> 03:31:33,345
but if it must be developed, it should be in done in a way, um, in line with the

2779
03:31:33,635 --> 03:31:37,565
soar 2040 comprehensive plan and in a way that serves the people

2780
03:31:37,685 --> 03:31:40,825
living next to it. We need community fee facing retail.

2781
03:31:41,745 --> 03:31:45,575
we need a grocery store. We need services that add value to our daily lives,

2782
03:31:46,105 --> 03:31:49,845
not a data center. I urge this commission to ensure that development of this land serves

2783
03:31:50,245 --> 03:31:54,005
the people of hu hu. First, thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you.

2784
03:32:00,105 --> 03:32:01,025
is it brent mcgurk?

2785
03:32:07,385 --> 03:32:11,355
okay. Hello, my name is brent mcgirk. I live at 3 0 1 brookside

2786
03:32:11,715 --> 03:32:15,415
street, uh, north side of uh, hu town square. Um,

2787
03:32:16,455 --> 03:32:20,135
I'm not gonna open my notepad. Everybody's touched on literally everything I wrote down. So,

2788
03:32:20,775 --> 03:32:24,585
um, I have worked, um, at data centers for

2789
03:32:24,805 --> 03:32:28,325
a data center as a data center technician, checking all the systems to make sure that there are no leaks,

2790
03:32:28,985 --> 03:32:32,855
alarms, or anything like that. The low volume noise

2791
03:32:34,585 --> 03:32:37,585
is the biggest pain. That's

2792
03:32:38,705 --> 03:32:41,705
one concern that I had and it was finally touched on. Um,

2793
03:32:43,165 --> 03:32:47,045
I actually work at one of zy co's or our equipment is

2794
03:32:47,205 --> 03:32:50,955
at zydeco. One of zy co's uh, data center is cyrus one down

2795
03:32:51,465 --> 03:32:55,405
in the met center. If you go park your car and you get out, you can hear

2796
03:32:55,565 --> 03:32:59,125
it. It's constant and it's mind-numbing.

2797
03:33:00,265 --> 03:33:04,165
um, I did, I will open my notepad 'cause there is

2798
03:33:04,285 --> 03:33:07,355
a quote that I found in the intent section

2799
03:33:08,665 --> 03:33:12,165
of the hu development code, a quote by justice

2800
03:33:12,745 --> 03:33:16,685
george sutherland. It says, a nuisance may be, may be merely the right

2801
03:33:16,845 --> 03:33:19,685
thing in the wrong place, like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.

2802
03:33:21,275 --> 03:33:23,935
this is certainly that wrong place.

2803
03:33:25,545 --> 03:33:29,405
and I would say that there is no right place in huro. I would agree with others

2804
03:33:29,605 --> 03:33:33,505
that we don't need a data center here. I hope you vote no.

2805
03:33:33,775 --> 03:33:35,285
thank you for your time. Thank you.

2806
03:33:41,025 --> 03:33:44,865
uh, looks like jeremy cortez, carter,

2807
03:33:47,705 --> 03:33:51,245
jeremy, carter, lawrence, jeremy c

2808
03:33:54,595 --> 03:33:58,485
okay. Probably left. You guys have been pretty

2809
03:33:58,805 --> 03:34:02,235
thorough. You probably didn't have anything to add. Uh, brandon

2810
03:34:04,645 --> 03:34:06,205
. Thank you. .

2811
03:34:09,215 --> 03:34:12,365
thank you for letting me talk for just a moment. I'll be quick. 'cause

2812
03:34:13,865 --> 03:34:17,665
almost everything I have to say has already been covered by other people than many of these fun

2813
03:34:17,885 --> 03:34:21,865
people. Um, I I do want to make two

2814
03:34:22,225 --> 03:34:26,155
points though. One is just like, how do we want hu to grow? You know, like,

2815
03:34:27,045 --> 03:34:30,965
I like growth in terms of we get more amenities, more

2816
03:34:31,405 --> 03:34:35,165
services, more population. My home property goes up, price

2817
03:34:35,485 --> 03:34:39,485
goes up, great. I don't really care about growth that just feeds hundreds of millions of

2818
03:34:39,605 --> 03:34:43,405
dollars to someone that doesn't live here, like at all. In fact, I find it very

2819
03:34:43,645 --> 03:34:47,645
counterproductive. Um, it's gonna stop us from real

2820
03:34:47,925 --> 03:34:51,785
growth. It, no one's gonna move here. So

2821
03:34:53,585 --> 03:34:57,395
beyond that, you know, we talk about the primary benefit being revenue, like

2822
03:34:57,745 --> 03:35:01,525
tax revenue, but the center is a tax on homeowners

2823
03:35:02,125 --> 03:35:06,085
here. Like, that's what it is. It's just a unevenly distributed

2824
03:35:07,065 --> 03:35:10,965
tax. Like it's gonna take tens of thousands of dollars off of all our property

2825
03:35:11,085 --> 03:35:14,755
value. How is that better than like,

2826
03:35:15,315 --> 03:35:19,165
rate a 1% increase in property taxes? I'm not sure I understand the

2827
03:35:19,365 --> 03:35:21,025
map there. Um,

2828
03:35:24,665 --> 03:35:28,155
and then, you know, everyone here understands quite well that

2829
03:35:29,425 --> 03:35:33,365
we have supply and demand economy, and that there's no way you can create

2830
03:35:33,995 --> 03:35:37,845
70 megawatts of demand on our power and it not increase prices

2831
03:35:38,265 --> 03:35:42,235
for everyone here. And that when they make those claims, it's just entirely ingenuous.

2832
03:35:43,585 --> 03:35:47,565
so given those things, I just hope that you guys will do what

2833
03:35:47,805 --> 03:35:51,545
the community very clearly wants and say no.

2834
03:35:52,065 --> 03:35:55,395
and I wanna stand with two people. I've said before, like,

2835
03:35:56,805 --> 03:36:00,685
a lot of people just don't want it here. I don't want it in huddle. Like please just say no

2836
03:36:00,865 --> 03:36:04,565
to all of them going forward. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

2837
03:36:09,905 --> 03:36:12,255
all right, next up is lindsey roach

2838
03:36:18,215 --> 03:36:22,175
going once, going twice. Ler ready,

2839
03:36:23,115 --> 03:36:26,985
guys? Ready? It's the last one. Greg roach. He

2840
03:36:27,205 --> 03:36:31,005
left too. Oh, all right. Now with that

2841
03:36:31,275 --> 03:36:35,055
said, um, is there anyone else who would like to speak

2842
03:36:35,665 --> 03:36:39,605
on this item? Name,

2843
03:36:40,235 --> 03:36:42,975
uh, address, and if you would, what community?

2844
03:36:44,395 --> 03:36:48,115
uh, my name is brian schaffner. I live at 7 0 1 gray fox

2845
03:36:48,565 --> 03:36:52,015
loop in cottonwood farms. Uh, my wife christina's already spoken.

2846
03:36:52,755 --> 03:36:56,635
and, um, I don't have a lot to add.

2847
03:36:57,195 --> 03:37:00,935
um, with everything everyone else has said,

2848
03:37:01,595 --> 03:37:05,035
um, I am opposed to this data center. Um,

2849
03:37:06,155 --> 03:37:09,655
and I, I, I have to say I'm, I'm really

2850
03:37:11,055 --> 03:37:14,015
inspired by all of the people who have come out to speak tonight.

2851
03:37:15,235 --> 03:37:18,995
um, it, it's just a wonderful expression of,

2852
03:37:19,555 --> 03:37:23,045
of the community because the community is, is just

2853
03:37:24,235 --> 03:37:27,835
the people who live here coming together for common purpose. And, um,

2854
03:37:30,295 --> 03:37:33,655
I I just want it on the record that I stand with them

2855
03:37:34,315 --> 03:37:38,135
and I want to ask you in the strongest possible

2856
03:37:38,335 --> 03:37:42,075
terms, please listen to our neighbors and

2857
03:37:42,355 --> 03:37:44,655
reject the data center. Thank you. Thank you.

2858
03:37:49,195 --> 03:37:51,495
is there anyone else who would like to speak on this item?

2859
03:37:53,555 --> 03:37:55,135
please come on up. How your please.

2860
03:38:00,385 --> 03:38:04,115
hello? Hi, my name is pam lawrence. I live at

2861
03:38:04,685 --> 03:38:08,025
400 farm creek drive in hu in emory farms,

2862
03:38:08,705 --> 03:38:12,575
which is directly across the street from this proposed location.

2863
03:38:13,435 --> 03:38:17,395
I'm not gonna cover any of the points that I have been discussing, partly on

2864
03:38:17,855 --> 03:38:21,295
facebook with people, um, because it's all been covered here tonight.

2865
03:38:22,315 --> 03:38:26,095
um, I'm, oh, first I wanna say thank you to all of you for staying

2866
03:38:26,565 --> 03:38:30,515
late and listening intently and paying attention to

2867
03:38:30,735 --> 03:38:34,735
what everybody's saying because for my, in my mind, that's what's

2868
03:38:35,055 --> 03:38:37,655
important to me is that our elected officials and our volunteers,

2869
03:38:39,075 --> 03:38:42,975
um, listen to the community and what the community has to say.

2870
03:38:43,395 --> 03:38:46,355
and, and they are overwhelmingly asking you all

2871
03:38:47,995 --> 03:38:51,515
to really pay attention here and to decide

2872
03:38:52,845 --> 03:38:56,775
that this property should be used for the benefit of the citizens who live around

2873
03:38:57,095 --> 03:39:00,815
it. And not just for tax revenue and not just to make money

2874
03:39:01,155 --> 03:39:05,105
for a data center. There's too many unknowns about

2875
03:39:05,455 --> 03:39:09,415
data centers, and you've heard it all tonight. And the other thing I

2876
03:39:09,535 --> 03:39:13,495
wanna say about the presentation from zydeco is, you know, that was a

2877
03:39:13,615 --> 03:39:17,495
very nice presentation, but extremely self-serving. You know, it's, it,

2878
03:39:17,655 --> 03:39:21,245
it doesn't ha it doesn't cover any of the, the negative impacts that

2879
03:39:21,775 --> 03:39:25,335
the people are concerned about. So thank you for your time

2880
03:39:26,395 --> 03:39:30,255
and I hope everybody has a great night, and I hope you make a very informed decision.

2881
03:39:31,145 --> 03:39:31,895
thank you. Thank you.

2882
03:39:37,475 --> 03:39:39,885
okay. So, uh, is there anyone else?

2883
03:39:41,785 --> 03:39:45,785
all right. I am not going to close the public hearing as was

2884
03:39:46,005 --> 03:39:49,725
discussed several hours ago. We're going to continue this public

2885
03:39:50,085 --> 03:39:53,975
hearing on may 20th, if they're teenth. April, april, april,

2886
03:39:54,415 --> 03:39:58,405
april, april 20. Thank you. It's getting late. I know. I've been up here for a few

2887
03:39:58,525 --> 03:40:02,145
hours. , um, let's past my bedtime. Um,

2888
03:40:02,865 --> 03:40:06,765
so yes, april 20th. There, the public hearing will

2889
03:40:07,405 --> 03:40:11,135
continue. If there are people who want to speak, um, after

2890
03:40:11,595 --> 03:40:14,995
viewing this or not viewing this or whatever want to speak, encourage

2891
03:40:15,605 --> 03:40:19,325
them to come. I want, I personally would like to hear

2892
03:40:19,755 --> 03:40:23,645
more voices. I, I like that. I

2893
03:40:23,765 --> 03:40:27,585
like public engagement. Um, that being said, we

2894
03:40:28,145 --> 03:40:32,135
as a body are not going to vote on this until april 20th.

2895
03:40:34,265 --> 03:40:38,115
so we will consider on our own, we will not meet

2896
03:40:39,025 --> 03:40:42,605
and debate this between ourselves. That would be a violation of texas

2897
03:40:43,465 --> 03:40:46,865
law. But yes, uh,

2898
03:40:48,535 --> 03:40:50,525
april 20th on this item,

2899
03:40:52,825 --> 03:40:56,585
we will have a decision. So

2900
03:40:57,225 --> 03:41:01,165
that's something you can look forward to. With that, we're not going to

2901
03:41:01,435 --> 03:41:04,905
vote, we're just going to continue public

2902
03:41:05,445 --> 03:41:09,385
hearing that start at eight 30. It will be continued. And

2903
03:41:09,625 --> 03:41:13,465
we are adjourning. No, we're not adjourning. No,

2904
03:41:13,785 --> 03:41:17,455
we we're not no adjourning the public hearing. Pause.

2905
03:41:18,375 --> 03:41:22,295
we're gonna pause it. Just move to the next item. We're moving to the next item. There

2906
03:41:22,645 --> 03:41:26,485
we go. No, late night. We need,

2907
03:41:26,785 --> 03:41:30,575
uh, don't we wait a minute. Hold on. Pretty picture. Don't

2908
03:41:30,925 --> 03:41:34,895
we need to table 6.4? No, we're

2909
03:41:35,245 --> 03:41:39,205
not taking any action on it, so, right. But we are taking

2910
03:41:39,445 --> 03:41:39,445
action.

2911
03:41:43,825 --> 03:41:47,355
we need because of the public hearing. No, that's custody.

2912
03:41:48,115 --> 03:41:52,115
okay. All right. I, I messed up. You may want to explain to them that, that

2913
03:41:53,555 --> 03:41:56,685
this, once we make the decision, city council, they make the final.

2914
03:41:57,655 --> 03:42:01,635
right. They may not know that. Okay. So the next

2915
03:42:01,925 --> 03:42:05,875
item is 6.5, which is a public hearing. Just

2916
03:42:06,165 --> 03:42:10,165
saying it's a public hearing consideration and possible action on the zydeco

2917
03:42:10,525 --> 03:42:14,185
data center, formerly known as upper schmidt creek pod

2918
03:42:14,765 --> 03:42:14,765
revision.

2919
03:42:19,125 --> 03:42:23,005
. All set. Did should we, I'll ask, should we take

2920
03:42:23,245 --> 03:42:27,245
a a, a break at all for any reason to come for break? About five minutes, right? No,

2921
03:42:27,445 --> 03:42:31,125
just keep going. Okay. I'm into it either way. I'm just, do we want, do we want to it? Alright.

2922
03:42:31,505 --> 03:42:35,485
you know what, let's do it. All right. I got stress. My we're gonna, I believe you. I

2923
03:42:35,605 --> 03:42:39,305
believe we're gonna take a seven minute recess. We will reconvene, uh, on my

2924
03:42:39,645 --> 03:42:41,755
clock at 10 50. Okay.

2925
03:42:43,825 --> 03:42:47,805
all right. I got the same. So it is, uh, thank you. 10 51. We're gonna reconvene.

2926
03:42:48,625 --> 03:42:51,905
yes, sir. And we're going to jump into 6.5

2927
03:42:54,065 --> 03:42:57,725
public hearing con consideration and possible action on the zydeco

2928
03:42:58,085 --> 03:43:01,825
data center, formerly known as upper schmitz creek hud

2929
03:43:02,485 --> 03:43:04,965
revision. One second.

2930
03:43:08,825 --> 03:43:11,485
I'm waiting for technology to catch up to us. Alright, .

2931
03:43:13,295 --> 03:43:17,165
thank you, mr. Chair. Uh, my name for the record again is howard kuhns. I'm the

2932
03:43:17,445 --> 03:43:20,825
director of development services. This item 6.5 is

2933
03:43:21,605 --> 03:43:25,505
a public hearing and consideration and possible action related to

2934
03:43:25,825 --> 03:43:29,705
the item that we just, uh, talked about. Um, the previous item was

2935
03:43:29,945 --> 03:43:33,845
the future land use map revision. This is effectively a rezoning,

2936
03:43:34,165 --> 03:43:37,085
it is a revision to the planned, uh, unit development,

2937
03:43:38,385 --> 03:43:41,935
uh, formerly known as upper schmidt's creek. But this is the one that would facilitate

2938
03:43:42,705 --> 03:43:46,705
the, uh, establishment of a data center. On the

2939
03:43:46,925 --> 03:43:50,605
subject parcel, uh, put up a map there. We're at the same

2940
03:43:51,075 --> 03:43:54,985
site, 40 acres southeast corner of limber loop and, um,

2941
03:43:55,315 --> 03:43:58,905
edge schmidt boulevard. Um, put up some, uh,

2942
03:43:59,565 --> 03:44:03,365
references there so you can orient yourself. Uh, the map that I put

2943
03:44:03,685 --> 03:44:07,525
together of, uh, the existing zoning shows b two commercial

2944
03:44:08,265 --> 03:44:12,165
in the vicinity. There is some single family directly adjacent

2945
03:44:12,345 --> 03:44:15,965
to the east single family that is adjacent to the west

2946
03:44:16,465 --> 03:44:20,245
across the edge schmidt boulevard. Um, there's additionally single family

2947
03:44:20,595 --> 03:44:23,985
residential to the northwest and the northeast. And those are both across,

2948
03:44:24,985 --> 03:44:28,775
uh, existing rights of way as well. We've got some, um, light

2949
03:44:29,125 --> 03:44:32,925
industrial that's in the vicinity, uh, to the west, uh, about 12

2950
03:44:33,165 --> 03:44:36,985
or 1500 feet to the west. Um, there is some existing b one,

2951
03:44:37,585 --> 03:44:41,555
uh, local business, which is the, uh, more restrictive, less

2952
03:44:42,035 --> 03:44:46,005
pervasive, uh, type of retail and local business zoning that

2953
03:44:46,285 --> 03:44:50,145
we have. There is a piece of unincorporated, so

2954
03:44:50,905 --> 03:44:54,765
nz no zoning, unincorporated williamson county directly to the north across

2955
03:44:55,075 --> 03:44:58,665
leer loop and, um, multi-family on

2956
03:44:59,145 --> 03:45:01,995
the southeast. Um, which is the currently

2957
03:45:03,265 --> 03:45:07,065
the western terminus of live oak street. The site itself is

2958
03:45:07,375 --> 03:45:11,045
zoned pud. And there are, uh, there's an, the existing entitlement

2959
03:45:11,405 --> 03:45:15,265
is pud, um, for the multifamily development that we spoke about earlier. So

2960
03:45:16,025 --> 03:45:19,825
an aerial photo, again, the, the site itself highlighted in red. You

2961
03:45:20,045 --> 03:45:23,985
can see the existing and emergent, uh, development pattern of

2962
03:45:24,205 --> 03:45:27,725
single family detached east and west civic uses of the elementary

2963
03:45:28,245 --> 03:45:31,955
and the middle school a little bit further east. And, um, this site,

2964
03:45:33,065 --> 03:45:37,045
uh, the adjoining site to the south and the site to the north across

2965
03:45:37,405 --> 03:45:41,185
edge schmidt are, uh, vacant, currently undeveloped. So

2966
03:45:41,425 --> 03:45:45,345
the current classification is pud, um, as stated in

2967
03:45:45,565 --> 03:45:49,545
the staff report. And I, and I don't wanna read to you from that, but

2968
03:45:49,765 --> 03:45:53,465
the important parts of the current classification is that seven parcels, 21

2969
03:45:54,085 --> 03:45:58,025
acres for commercial two parcels, which are 18 acres for residential. And

2970
03:45:58,245 --> 03:46:01,885
the rest of what's in there will be right of way. And that shouldn't be lost because

2971
03:46:02,535 --> 03:46:06,485
there is currently a plan for the connection of albany

2972
03:46:06,865 --> 03:46:10,545
way from the east will move to

2973
03:46:10,985 --> 03:46:14,315
the west and will connect to edge schmidt. So essentially

2974
03:46:15,555 --> 03:46:19,525
bifurcate this site that we're talking about today with an extension that will

2975
03:46:19,725 --> 03:46:23,345
connect that neighborhood to the arterial edge schmidt, um,

2976
03:46:24,125 --> 03:46:27,345
173 units in different housing types. Um,

2977
03:46:28,625 --> 03:46:32,525
the requested classification is pud with a base zoning of light

2978
03:46:32,805 --> 03:46:36,355
industrial, um, that would, uh, facilitate the establishment

2979
03:46:37,225 --> 03:46:41,085
of this data center project. Now, um, in a, in

2980
03:46:41,245 --> 03:46:45,125
an attempt to mitigate, you know, perceived or real negative effects on the adjacent neighborhoods

2981
03:46:45,645 --> 03:46:49,625
and the, and the rest of the adjacent pattern, they have proposed a host of,

2982
03:46:50,305 --> 03:46:54,005
um, I kind of call it restrictions, I guess, on the development

2983
03:46:54,405 --> 03:46:58,005
of the site setbacks, um, buffer yards, landscaping.

2984
03:46:58,785 --> 03:47:02,005
um, there's also a, a wall, um, that would

2985
03:47:02,895 --> 03:47:06,755
block both visual and, and the auditory intrusion from

2986
03:47:07,045 --> 03:47:10,965
the site onto the neighboring sites. Um, and you can

2987
03:47:11,125 --> 03:47:15,045
read through that. It's, it's in the applicant's material, it's in the a ir and, and it's also

2988
03:47:15,205 --> 03:47:18,215
in this report here. So as we went through and did our evaluation,

2989
03:47:19,465 --> 03:47:22,925
um, the, the staff concerns really were all of the,

2990
03:47:23,545 --> 03:47:27,375
all the site plan concessions proposed being those buffer yards,

2991
03:47:27,905 --> 03:47:31,685
the increase in the setbacks, things like that. Um, all of them are

2992
03:47:32,085 --> 03:47:35,985
proposed as mitigation to reduce the interference between two

2993
03:47:36,375 --> 03:47:40,365
dissimilar land use categories. If we were

2994
03:47:40,525 --> 03:47:44,435
talking about, uh, a land use that was being established on this site that

2995
03:47:44,745 --> 03:47:48,095
was more harmonious with the existing pattern, there,

2996
03:47:49,015 --> 03:47:52,605
there wouldn't be a need for higher and more intensive

2997
03:47:53,195 --> 03:47:56,705
buffering and uses such as what's proposed for this. So

2998
03:47:57,555 --> 03:48:01,515
that, um, makes you take a little bit of a, of, of a harder look

2999
03:48:01,985 --> 03:48:05,845
at the proposal for the, um, uh, the conceptual

3000
03:48:06,395 --> 03:48:10,365
site plan that was included. Um, when you do, does a single

3001
03:48:10,945 --> 03:48:13,965
use operation with this low development density

3002
03:48:15,475 --> 03:48:19,345
provide more benefit to the community than the current entitlement? I think the text of

3003
03:48:19,565 --> 03:48:23,335
the comprehensive plan indicates that no, it does not. The needs

3004
03:48:23,825 --> 03:48:27,805
as identified in the comprehensive plan and from the community at large, and we'll talk a little bit

3005
03:48:27,925 --> 03:48:31,375
about that in a second. Um, the, are are spelled out reasonably

3006
03:48:32,365 --> 03:48:36,025
succinctly that we need a greater diversity of housing. We need, um,

3007
03:48:36,475 --> 03:48:39,885
more opportunity for, uh, local, commercial and local employment.

3008
03:48:40,675 --> 03:48:44,665
keep people from having to make trips to work where we lose that retail

3009
03:48:45,085 --> 03:48:49,045
leakage, where we're going to round rock in pflugerville and austin to get goods and

3010
03:48:49,325 --> 03:48:52,445
services that we would prefer be, uh, sold here within the community.

3011
03:48:53,625 --> 03:48:57,605
um, so the, it goes back to the question of is what's proposed better than

3012
03:48:57,805 --> 03:49:00,685
what's existing? And staff has not been able to necessarily make that statement

3013
03:49:02,045 --> 03:49:05,965
establishing a project with no active nor passive benefit to the surrounding community.

3014
03:49:06,785 --> 03:49:10,425
in that we're talking about, um, the, the,

3015
03:49:10,985 --> 03:49:14,825
the expectation that this site will effectively wall off, um,

3016
03:49:15,425 --> 03:49:18,215
the communities on either side from themselves.

3017
03:49:19,785 --> 03:49:23,565
um, it would be, you know, a site that

3018
03:49:23,805 --> 03:49:27,675
would not lend itself to pass through traffic, whether

3019
03:49:28,225 --> 03:49:32,105
it be, uh, rights of way for automobiles or off

3020
03:49:32,325 --> 03:49:35,805
highway trails, uh, or or other type of use that you could, uh, pedestrian

3021
03:49:36,635 --> 03:49:40,485
bike bed facilities for that neighborhood that, especially to

3022
03:49:40,645 --> 03:49:44,385
the east, trying to get back down to the edge schmidt corridor, which is

3023
03:49:44,725 --> 03:49:48,685
emergent with corridor retail. So it would be nice if we could get some of those cars

3024
03:49:48,985 --> 03:49:52,275
off the road by facilitating, uh, travel between

3025
03:49:53,065 --> 03:49:56,585
the rooftops and the local retail. But,

3026
03:49:57,145 --> 03:50:00,725
um, putting up this site, we, we lose the opportunity to connect the roadway network

3027
03:50:01,665 --> 03:50:05,005
and lose the expectation that there would be, uh, pedestrian connectivity

3028
03:50:05,905 --> 03:50:09,685
for the folks that are around. 'cause these will likely be secure sites, and they don't want

3029
03:50:09,955 --> 03:50:13,665
intrusion from the folks from the outside that being able to pass through. So, um,

3030
03:50:14,145 --> 03:50:16,725
one, one of the thing, it, it would basically just be a hole of inactivity

3031
03:50:18,345 --> 03:50:21,685
in the, in a donut basically, of higher activity of all the, the rooftops.

3032
03:50:23,195 --> 03:50:26,855
does this fulfill those certain needs identified by hudu and its residents? So since,

3033
03:50:27,205 --> 03:50:30,865
since I've been here, I've, I've been educated to the idea that hudu is,

3034
03:50:31,345 --> 03:50:35,325
um, quite introspective. Um, we, we look at our processes,

3035
03:50:35,885 --> 03:50:39,885
we look at our procedures, we look at our forms, we look at everything and decide whether

3036
03:50:40,325 --> 03:50:44,205
or not it's the best bang for the buck, be it, you know, whether it's, uh, the

3037
03:50:44,365 --> 03:50:48,045
best idea for the number of persons assigned to it or how much money is budgeted to it.

3038
03:50:48,705 --> 03:50:52,565
and one of the things that we do is put out a survey, quite often, put out a, a, a survey

3039
03:50:52,785 --> 03:50:56,765
to the citizenry and say, what, what's going well? What's not going well? What are

3040
03:50:56,845 --> 03:51:00,725
your highest priorities? And what would you rather see stopped? And some of the things that come out of that

3041
03:51:00,875 --> 03:51:04,595
true are traffic traffic's probably the number one answer that I see when

3042
03:51:04,885 --> 03:51:08,845
I went through the results from this calendar year. So when you talk about traffic and you

3043
03:51:08,965 --> 03:51:12,785
say the number of trips onto and off of the site as currently entitled versus

3044
03:51:13,225 --> 03:51:17,195
the number of trips onto and off of the site as proposed. True.

3045
03:51:17,765 --> 03:51:21,725
I think the pro I think the proposal, uh, uh, would have fewer trips per day. I

3046
03:51:21,845 --> 03:51:25,325
agree. I think there would be less cars coming into. Um, but at what cost

3047
03:51:26,025 --> 03:51:29,445
is the expectation? The, the, the, the emergence of traffic

3048
03:51:30,065 --> 03:51:33,785
is the expectation that you are, uh, moving forward in

3049
03:51:34,125 --> 03:51:37,675
commerce and the, um, the idea that

3050
03:51:39,835 --> 03:51:43,595
development is gonna bring more roads, it's going to create more

3051
03:51:44,635 --> 03:51:48,605
connections in the transportation network. And that is the number one way

3052
03:51:48,805 --> 03:51:52,805
to alleviate traffic pinch points. Because what we have is, you know, traditional

3053
03:51:53,325 --> 03:51:57,305
development of cul-de-sacs generally forces traffic in the other direction, and

3054
03:51:57,525 --> 03:52:01,485
then eventually they all end up at the same intersections. And then eventually we get two and three

3055
03:52:01,805 --> 03:52:05,485
light cycles before you can get through. The only main intersections that are through

3056
03:52:06,585 --> 03:52:10,485
the expectation would be to create more of those roadway networks,

3057
03:52:11,335 --> 03:52:14,965
minor and local streets to take some of the, you know, initial

3058
03:52:15,445 --> 03:52:18,405
push of rush hour traffic off of the major corridors and connectors.

3059
03:52:19,885 --> 03:52:23,875
additionally, um, you know, some of the things in there that were identified were more

3060
03:52:24,165 --> 03:52:27,945
options for shopping and entertainment, which is something that huda is pretty low

3061
03:52:28,225 --> 03:52:32,165
on. Um, and more options for local employment. So people don't

3062
03:52:32,445 --> 03:52:36,045
necessarily have to leave and travel so far to go to work. The current entitlement creates opportunities

3063
03:52:36,825 --> 03:52:40,685
for all those things, you know, diversify the work, um, create more

3064
03:52:41,175 --> 03:52:44,905
entry and exits off of the, the site itself. And then, um,

3065
03:52:45,525 --> 03:52:49,465
shopping and entertainment and employment. So, um, if

3066
03:52:49,685 --> 03:52:53,525
you read through the staff report, there's a, there's a number of other, uh, uh, points that

3067
03:52:53,725 --> 03:52:57,505
were put in there. But at the end of the day, um, staff's analysis has

3068
03:52:57,805 --> 03:53:01,285
shown that this would not be an appropriate assignment of, uh, zoning

3069
03:53:01,825 --> 03:53:05,145
to this site in light of the existing and emergent, uh,

3070
03:53:05,945 --> 03:53:09,885
uh, development pattern and the dissimilar district being placed in

3071
03:53:10,085 --> 03:53:12,805
the, in the middle unto itself, staff can't support it.

3072
03:53:15,795 --> 03:53:19,685
alright. And do we have a, uh, presentation from the

3073
03:53:19,885 --> 03:53:21,205
applicant on this item?

3074
03:53:26,825 --> 03:53:30,765
um, it's extremely late and I appreciate y'all, y'all appreciate y'all bearing with us. There's, there's just too much

3075
03:53:30,925 --> 03:53:34,845
to address right now and I just wanna let y'all, um, get outta here on, I just do wanna

3076
03:53:35,045 --> 03:53:38,965
note, uh, mr. Kunz on the, on the albany road connection issued

3077
03:53:39,365 --> 03:53:43,325
to ed schmidt. Um, that's designed because we, specifically in our october

3078
03:53:43,685 --> 03:53:47,685
meeting with the neighborhood, hoa, we showed them an iteration of our site plan actually connecting a

3079
03:53:47,805 --> 03:53:51,725
ring road, uh, to ed schmidt boulevard. And not a single person on the call said they wanted that

3080
03:53:51,935 --> 03:53:55,925
there was 20, 30 people on the call and they said, we think that would bring

3081
03:53:56,045 --> 03:53:59,405
too much trafficking into the neighborhood. We prefer your plan. Um, not showing that road,

3082
03:54:00,065 --> 03:54:04,005
if the neighborhood's position has changed on that, it's certainly something that we can look back into. 'cause we did

3083
03:54:04,125 --> 03:54:07,965
have side plans that, that showed that. So thank you. Thank you.

3084
03:54:08,635 --> 03:54:12,355
alright. And as this calls for a public hearing, I will

3085
03:54:12,715 --> 03:54:15,625
open the public hearing at 11:02 pm

3086
03:54:17,825 --> 03:54:21,675
oh my god. And very similar to what

3087
03:54:21,965 --> 03:54:25,635
we just did on item 6.4, this will be continued

3088
03:54:26,355 --> 03:54:29,955
onto april 20th meeting, is that correct?

3089
03:54:33,985 --> 03:54:37,635
gosh, I'm sorry. Is is that going? Is this public hearing going to be continued

3090
03:54:38,115 --> 03:54:42,015
as well? That is correct, yep. All right. Two items will be heard again. Uh, so is

3091
03:54:42,235 --> 03:54:43,595
there anyone to speak on this item?

3092
03:54:46,395 --> 03:54:50,215
all right. Seeing no one, and with us not taking action on this,

3093
03:54:50,695 --> 03:54:54,635
I do have two questions. Okay. Um,

3094
03:54:55,075 --> 03:54:58,435
number one question is, it was mentioned in,

3095
03:54:59,355 --> 03:55:03,245
in the public comments, but it was something that I made

3096
03:55:03,535 --> 03:55:07,125
note of as soon as I saw this. What sort

3097
03:55:07,555 --> 03:55:11,495
of additional fire department resources are going

3098
03:55:11,815 --> 03:55:15,565
to be required to combat any sort of battery

3099
03:55:16,325 --> 03:55:20,175
fire at this facility? Uh, I understand that

3100
03:55:20,565 --> 03:55:24,235
fire departments currently have issues even with evs

3101
03:55:24,915 --> 03:55:28,725
in garages, and I want, I am

3102
03:55:28,945 --> 03:55:32,115
curious to know if we can get any sort of information about

3103
03:55:33,695 --> 03:55:36,785
what additional resources would be required.

3104
03:55:39,185 --> 03:55:42,625
I can ask. I I don't know. That outstrips my yeah, yeah. Subject matter

3105
03:55:43,215 --> 03:55:46,905
expertise. We probably ask the esd and they've got an answer for us,

3106
03:55:47,285 --> 03:55:50,785
but I don't know the answer. Okay. I can ask them. Uh, second,

3107
03:55:51,365 --> 03:55:55,005
second question is a kind of legal one.

3108
03:55:55,805 --> 03:55:59,565
um, I've seen it mentioned in the staff report and,

3109
03:55:59,965 --> 03:56:02,985
uh, seen mention of it elsewhere, spot zoning.

3110
03:56:04,205 --> 03:56:07,695
are we in danger of falling into

3111
03:56:08,535 --> 03:56:12,485
some sort of spot zoning with this? I don't know if I'd use the word danger per

3112
03:56:12,705 --> 03:56:16,705
se. Okay. Um, I, I did recognize that there could be an opportunity

3113
03:56:17,335 --> 03:56:20,825
just because of the, the nature of the block

3114
03:56:21,405 --> 03:56:25,405
and the surrounding area, that to place this assignment unto itself,

3115
03:56:26,565 --> 03:56:29,905
um, especially in light of the direction from the comp plan,

3116
03:56:30,765 --> 03:56:34,025
um, that it, it did open us up to the potential for a liability,

3117
03:56:35,135 --> 03:56:39,105
depending heavily, depending heavily on the argument that

3118
03:56:39,345 --> 03:56:42,205
could be made by the, by a person who was aggrieved. So

3119
03:56:44,005 --> 03:56:47,985
my answer is yes, and I felt strongly enough about it that I wanted to mitigate that risk to

3120
03:56:48,145 --> 03:56:51,815
the city, um, by opening up the conversation. I, I want,

3121
03:56:52,185 --> 03:56:56,145
I want to talk about it not in a legal way per se, we

3122
03:56:56,305 --> 03:56:59,525
don't have to go to exec or anything, but just talk about what the concept is.

3123
03:57:01,385 --> 03:57:04,915
I have been involved in cases in my professional history where,

3124
03:57:05,605 --> 03:57:08,185
um, spot zoning was called for and was completely appropriate.

3125
03:57:10,245 --> 03:57:14,145
um, the, the reason was there were certain

3126
03:57:15,585 --> 03:57:19,585
districts that were residential. The residential districts did not allow

3127
03:57:19,925 --> 03:57:22,925
for other certain uses that were usual and customary

3128
03:57:24,235 --> 03:57:27,715
ancillary for residential. So they had to put in little dots

3129
03:57:28,265 --> 03:57:32,085
of, for, it was for schools and for, uh, fire stations. Mm-hmm

3130
03:57:32,485 --> 03:57:36,375
. You couldn't put civic uses in a residential district in this city where I worked. So every

3131
03:57:36,725 --> 03:57:40,455
time you would do a subdivision, you had to put those little things in there to allow,

3132
03:57:40,875 --> 03:57:44,775
because the only reason for the civic uses was the rooftops. That's who they served, right?

3133
03:57:45,185 --> 03:57:48,925
so they started to put them closer to where the people lived rather than moving them to a different

3134
03:57:49,325 --> 03:57:52,445
district. Um, so I don't always,

3135
03:57:53,685 --> 03:57:56,615
I try and tell people that it's not always bad or wrong,

3136
03:57:57,945 --> 03:58:01,825
but we know of the instances where it's done, where it is bad and

3137
03:58:02,045 --> 03:58:05,845
it is wrong. And if you were to place this entitlement

3138
03:58:06,285 --> 03:58:10,215
where it's located, I, I feel that there's not the nexus

3139
03:58:10,745 --> 03:58:14,725
of the immediate adjacent neighborhood, that it's immediately adjacent

3140
03:58:14,885 --> 03:58:18,845
neighborhood is not a requirement or a need or even a, a,

3141
03:58:19,125 --> 03:58:22,505
a, um, a a patron or a client of this use.

3142
03:58:23,185 --> 03:58:27,085
it is unto itself. And I thought that it was just a little too remote

3143
03:58:27,505 --> 03:58:31,505
to make me comfortable to that I didn't wanna, didn't wanna mention it. So the

3144
03:58:31,835 --> 03:58:34,825
following question then for me is,

3145
03:58:36,345 --> 03:58:39,415
is there a way to include conditions,

3146
03:58:40,485 --> 03:58:44,275
requirements in the p to mitigate that

3147
03:58:45,225 --> 03:58:47,485
or eliminate it?

3148
03:58:49,845 --> 03:58:52,905
I mean, mathematically, yes. Right now, off the top of my head, I'm

3149
03:58:53,985 --> 03:58:57,955
not sure that I can think about how other than somehow incorporating

3150
03:58:58,805 --> 03:59:02,135
this, like folks have mentioned where there,

3151
03:59:03,175 --> 03:59:07,125
there is a use on there that would be useful to the rooftops

3152
03:59:07,805 --> 03:59:11,635
adjacent. So people have talked about passive recreation, dog parks, open

3153
03:59:11,935 --> 03:59:15,825
space trails, things like that per perhaps. Um,

3154
03:59:16,305 --> 03:59:19,885
if you combine the uses and you mix those uses together,

3155
03:59:20,705 --> 03:59:24,365
see the wild card here is that this is a pud zoning. It's not a straight

3156
03:59:24,845 --> 03:59:27,365
euclidean district that calls for what you can and what you cannot.

3157
03:59:29,825 --> 03:59:33,625
the language that's in our udc speaks to, you know, freedom of design

3158
03:59:34,345 --> 03:59:37,865
and, you know, being able to work outside the bounds of

3159
03:59:38,485 --> 03:59:42,155
specific metrics for the purpose of creating something that would necessarily

3160
03:59:42,945 --> 03:59:46,585
be a, a approved or approvable, um, by

3161
03:59:46,985 --> 03:59:50,925
the decision makers. So I can't possibly enumerate

3162
03:59:51,665 --> 03:59:55,445
all the possibility or all the combinations of ways that that could work. That's

3163
03:59:55,765 --> 03:59:59,665
why I say mathematically I think so. But as I sit here right now and the

3164
03:59:59,885 --> 04:00:03,885
entire 45 seconds of consideration, I've given your question, um, I don't have an

3165
04:00:04,005 --> 04:00:06,765
answer for you right now on that. Alright. All right. , sorry.

3166
04:00:09,715 --> 04:00:10,745
okay, well, um,

3167
04:00:13,935 --> 04:00:17,865
words that on

3168
04:00:18,495 --> 04:00:21,735
since we're taping. It's fine. We go to next month, right?

3169
04:00:22,715 --> 04:00:26,635
yeah. So this is going to be handled on the 20th. Okay. It'll be voted on that.

3170
04:00:26,925 --> 04:00:30,865
we'll close the public hearing on the 20th and we'll vote okay on

3171
04:00:31,085 --> 04:00:35,005
this item on the 20th. So we can just have discussion already next, next month about,

3172
04:00:35,825 --> 04:00:39,565
yes, we can certainly have discussion on it next month. Okay. Yeah, if you have any

3173
04:00:40,045 --> 04:00:43,965
questions that you want to, you know, talk, think about over the next month, you can ask 'em now,

3174
04:00:44,125 --> 04:00:48,075
I guess. Mm-hmm . Well, just the, the 6.5 agenda item.

3175
04:00:49,125 --> 04:00:52,765
I, I agree with the staff with your sentiments about this.

3176
04:00:54,145 --> 04:00:58,125
it takes you back to the early 1930s of the red line districts and the

3177
04:00:58,285 --> 04:01:02,085
fallout thereafter, and the social justice that came with that, and all the health effects

3178
04:01:02,425 --> 04:01:06,285
and side effects of those neighborhoods. Especially in austin. There's three or four of 'em in austin

3179
04:01:07,065 --> 04:01:10,605
who are still suffering generational poverty, health effects,

3180
04:01:11,145 --> 04:01:14,965
and all the things that happen with the heavy industry that was pushed into those neighborhoods

3181
04:01:15,405 --> 04:01:18,465
under the red lines. And this smells just like this and

3182
04:01:19,805 --> 04:01:23,445
I, I have a lot to say about it. Okay. That's fair.

3183
04:01:24,585 --> 04:01:26,225
anyone else before we move on?

3184
04:01:29,875 --> 04:01:32,385
okay. Then we'll move on to item 6.6

3185
04:01:34,165 --> 04:01:38,165
consideration and possible action on the 2026 planning and zoning commission's cip

3186
04:01:38,685 --> 04:01:42,575
recommendation. You'll notice in the packet that the staff

3187
04:01:42,925 --> 04:01:46,905
report was pretty thin. Um, staff really didn't value add to this at

3188
04:01:47,125 --> 04:01:50,415
all. This is a procedural matter where

3189
04:01:51,225 --> 04:01:55,165
the full recommendation being made at a regular meeting of all of you that goes

3190
04:01:55,405 --> 04:01:59,255
forward to the city council staff did not touch

3191
04:01:59,625 --> 04:02:03,465
the document or change any of the lines or any of the other information. So

3192
04:02:03,865 --> 04:02:07,805
I'm gonna go ahead and let the chair speak to this as it's, um, been your project

3193
04:02:08,305 --> 04:02:12,245
for a number of months now. Um, but really the only thing that we're

3194
04:02:12,485 --> 04:02:16,485
looking for is staff, is just a formal vote where we can count who said yay,

3195
04:02:16,705 --> 04:02:20,205
who said nay? That, uh, goes to the, uh, mayor and council.

3196
04:02:20,915 --> 04:02:24,565
alright, so, uh, regarding the cip,

3197
04:02:25,385 --> 04:02:29,365
uh, I know that everyone saw the worksheet that we were

3198
04:02:29,735 --> 04:02:33,045
using mm-hmm . That staff had developed. It was

3199
04:02:33,795 --> 04:02:37,005
loosely based off of the 2025 cip

3200
04:02:38,155 --> 04:02:42,105
that council approved. Um, had a lot

3201
04:02:42,585 --> 04:02:46,485
of bright colors, had a lot of numbers, had a lot of columns that

3202
04:02:46,645 --> 04:02:50,585
didn't add up, et cetera, et cetera. I took it upon myself to

3203
04:02:50,805 --> 04:02:54,755
clean that up and to make it a little more

3204
04:02:57,345 --> 04:03:01,205
reader friendly, let's say. And that is

3205
04:03:01,405 --> 04:03:04,825
what you have as the first asm gonna say

3206
04:03:05,655 --> 04:03:08,385
slide sheet in your packet.

3207
04:03:10,945 --> 04:03:14,555
it is far too small to read . Okay.

3208
04:03:15,035 --> 04:03:18,405
it's just you're not reading that normal pages to tell me

3209
04:03:19,085 --> 04:03:22,765
. Um, which is why I brought my computer,

3210
04:03:23,135 --> 04:03:27,005
which has the spreadsheet that I manipulated .

3211
04:03:27,665 --> 04:03:30,115
so I can tell you that

3212
04:03:32,105 --> 04:03:35,515
all of our comments that we made

3213
04:03:36,225 --> 04:03:38,805
as part of the cpac were captured

3214
04:03:41,355 --> 04:03:44,805
what was presented to us. And our comments

3215
04:03:45,665 --> 04:03:49,665
are unchanged. It's just clarified you,

3216
04:03:49,985 --> 04:03:53,925
you don't have to scroll through a spreadsheet to find fiscal year 30.

3217
04:03:55,425 --> 04:03:59,355
you don't have to say why are there all these, it, it's

3218
04:03:59,645 --> 04:04:03,645
just cleaned up. That's all. That's all I've done with this is clean it up

3219
04:04:04,185 --> 04:04:08,085
so that we don't have to get into what's the tax

3220
04:04:08,285 --> 04:04:12,265
rate impact and what's the funding sources and

3221
04:04:12,585 --> 04:04:16,555
how does the funding source shake out over the next 30 years. That doesn't

3222
04:04:17,065 --> 04:04:19,715
matter a whole lot to the cpac.

3223
04:04:21,585 --> 04:04:24,545
so what I have is

3224
04:04:25,705 --> 04:04:29,005
the comments, uh, we can go through them if you'd like,

3225
04:04:31,345 --> 04:04:35,195
but the, if there's been no changes to it, yeah.

3226
04:04:35,485 --> 04:04:39,385
we, we, we do have one with a stick. They're just separat separated out. That's all. Can

3227
04:04:39,605 --> 04:04:43,275
I ask some on park? Pp seven four,

3228
04:04:43,735 --> 04:04:47,485
sorry, my voice is going. Uh, we have for 88

3229
04:04:47,965 --> 04:04:51,345
compliance, it's not, there's no set, uh,

3230
04:04:52,165 --> 04:04:55,885
I guess number there. It's just two zero xx and it's at the bottom of parks.

3231
04:04:56,595 --> 04:05:00,445
yeah. Now, now one of the things that I would like to

3232
04:05:00,645 --> 04:05:03,465
accomplish mm-hmm . Um,

3233
04:05:04,905 --> 04:05:08,445
is we've been working on the, the cip process

3234
04:05:09,225 --> 04:05:13,005
as a city and getting it to council and getting the recommendations

3235
04:05:13,685 --> 04:05:17,385
and all of that stuff. There is room for improvement mm-hmm

3236
04:05:17,845 --> 04:05:20,835
. And the process currently

3237
04:05:21,865 --> 04:05:25,605
is, well that's why I took it upon myself

3238
04:05:25,925 --> 04:05:29,505
because I had to meet with the,

3239
04:05:30,225 --> 04:05:34,205
uh, cip engineer. I had to meet with the city manager, I had to meet with the finance

3240
04:05:35,045 --> 04:05:38,565
director and just collecting this information

3241
04:05:39,305 --> 04:05:43,245
so that it made sense mm-hmm . And I could compile it into something

3242
04:05:43,595 --> 04:05:45,615
presentable and digestible

3243
04:05:48,275 --> 04:05:51,435
shouldn't have to be done. But I understand we're going through

3244
04:05:53,505 --> 04:05:56,745
the process, we're building this mm-hmm . And

3245
04:05:58,345 --> 04:06:01,945
my intent is if this is approved,

3246
04:06:03,295 --> 04:06:07,085
then after it goes to counsel and

3247
04:06:07,525 --> 04:06:11,295
should counsel prove it, et cetera, I want to sit down with

3248
04:06:11,685 --> 04:06:15,685
the stakeholders and refine this process.

3249
04:06:17,395 --> 04:06:21,345
because if I'm not here, I don't want the

3250
04:06:21,635 --> 04:06:25,605
next chair to have to go, how do I, how do I manage

3251
04:06:25,925 --> 04:06:29,745
this? It should be a clear cut process. Sure. Do this, do this, do

3252
04:06:29,965 --> 04:06:33,165
this, take it to council. Mm-hmm . Good idea.

3253
04:06:34,115 --> 04:06:37,605
good idea. So that's what I've been working on. Okay. Independently,

3254
04:06:38,635 --> 04:06:41,325
hopefully that process, because it is a staff process,

3255
04:06:43,705 --> 04:06:47,495
will get tweaked by staff, but it shouldn't be anything we need to vote on.

3256
04:06:48,355 --> 04:06:52,325
alright. But I just wanted to explain, this is why I kind of

3257
04:06:52,605 --> 04:06:56,405
took it on because I looked at these processes and went, yeah, this needs

3258
04:06:56,685 --> 04:07:00,105
help . Yeah. You right. So

3259
04:07:00,785 --> 04:07:04,715
that's kind of where we're at. Um, that's the first page.

3260
04:07:07,185 --> 04:07:10,845
uh, that's also the second page. It's also the third page.

3261
04:07:11,865 --> 04:07:15,725
and it looks like that's the fourth page. So they're getting this or a cleaned

3262
04:07:15,965 --> 04:07:18,305
up version. They're going to get,

3263
04:07:20,405 --> 04:07:24,075
I would assume that they're going to get this if give

3264
04:07:24,485 --> 04:07:28,485
'em this so they can read this. Okay. Yeah. That, that sounds fair. No, do

3265
04:07:28,645 --> 04:07:32,545
tell 'em like this. That sounds fair. I'll give, I'll give them a big magnifying glass and, and

3266
04:07:32,765 --> 04:07:35,925
this, yeah. There we go. Sitting back there going, we're gonna kill you .

3267
04:07:36,905 --> 04:07:40,585
but, but my intent is, and

3268
04:07:40,995 --> 04:07:44,925
I've I've talked with howard about this, my intent is to be there and do

3269
04:07:45,085 --> 04:07:49,065
the presentation to council. If they have questions about why

3270
04:07:49,285 --> 04:07:53,005
did you guys do this? Here's the rationale. I can answer

3271
04:07:53,365 --> 04:07:57,355
that. Rather than having staff members go, well,

3272
04:07:57,825 --> 04:08:01,805
we thought this and I think cpac thought this. No, they're

3273
04:08:02,005 --> 04:08:05,365
hearing it directly from the straight, straight from the horse's mouth. There we go.

3274
04:08:06,425 --> 04:08:09,235
so my intent is to present that

3275
04:08:10,795 --> 04:08:14,625
microscopic first four pages. Yes. Have no

3276
04:08:14,845 --> 04:08:17,885
problem with you doing that. So, I mean,

3277
04:08:19,115 --> 04:08:22,925
make a motion. So you're saying everything's cleaned up and there's been no changes

3278
04:08:23,305 --> 04:08:27,145
to it or anything? No changes to, to what? We, why

3279
04:08:27,365 --> 04:08:31,325
don't we just vote on it now? Well, unless anybody has anything,

3280
04:08:31,645 --> 04:08:35,245
I don't, I don't know if, go ahead, tony, make a motion. I don't know if anybody

3281
04:08:35,795 --> 04:08:39,005
here has complete trust that I didn't change something.

3282
04:08:40,045 --> 04:08:43,925
I, well, so if you do have a question that rick would not

3283
04:08:44,085 --> 04:08:47,565
have changed anything, if you do have a question or, hey, did this get changed?

3284
04:08:49,245 --> 04:08:52,085
I can tell you I only, I only make a suggestion.

3285
04:08:53,265 --> 04:08:57,265
uh, some of the columns are kind of repeatable. Oh, yes. If there's a way we

3286
04:08:57,485 --> 04:09:01,385
can kind of clean that up before we hand it off. Right. The,

3287
04:09:02,165 --> 04:09:06,035
uh, the, the columns or the rows. Some

3288
04:09:06,395 --> 04:09:09,485
like, uh, sidewalk reconstruction, some of 'em,

3289
04:09:10,445 --> 04:09:14,425
they're still on there and we've moved that to a different, you know, the top

3290
04:09:14,645 --> 04:09:17,945
of the sidewalk construction. Um,

3291
04:09:18,835 --> 04:09:22,525
some of 'em still have double values. I just wanna make sure that

3292
04:09:23,835 --> 04:09:27,705
some of the finance numbers are confirmed and that we

3293
04:09:27,925 --> 04:09:31,345
don't have numbers in the right, wrong place. Um,

3294
04:09:32,505 --> 04:09:36,385
as far as the discrepancies and any of the conflicts go,

3295
04:09:37,705 --> 04:09:41,325
we as a body as cpac did not identify those

3296
04:09:42,745 --> 04:09:46,535
and we did not discuss those and we did not approve those.

3297
04:09:47,555 --> 04:09:51,445
well, there's, therefore they remain. Well, I know there's some,

3298
04:09:52,125 --> 04:09:56,115
I why I say that is there is some notes like include with

3299
04:09:57,445 --> 04:10:01,365
t one refy. Right. And, and that is a

3300
04:10:01,805 --> 04:10:05,115
cac note. It's not the presented title. Okay.

3301
04:10:05,945 --> 04:10:09,935
so like, uh, what, what was one you just said the parks,

3302
04:10:10,665 --> 04:10:11,965
uh, sidewalk p 74.

3303
04:10:14,905 --> 04:10:17,945
was that, was that the parks 80 a? Yes.

3304
04:10:19,135 --> 04:10:22,835
sorry. For some reason getting, we don't have p 74 here. Dumb.

3305
04:10:23,315 --> 04:10:26,905
yeah. P 74 2 dash two xx.

3306
04:10:28,105 --> 04:10:31,965
is that the bottom of parks? Yep. P okay. Got it. Uh, p 74,

3307
04:10:32,825 --> 04:10:36,605
uh, two xx. That was a da

3308
04:10:36,845 --> 04:10:40,785
compliance parks for the parks. Mm-hmm . As opposed to the

3309
04:10:41,505 --> 04:10:45,125
trails and the, uh, facilities. Mm-hmm . And that

3310
04:10:45,605 --> 04:10:49,525
was a ca recommendation to include in the cip.

3311
04:10:50,155 --> 04:10:53,515
yeah. Okay. That's the comment. So in the presented

3312
04:10:54,185 --> 04:10:58,095
as it's a da compliance parks. And then the comment

3313
04:10:58,595 --> 04:11:01,815
is c, a recommendation to include in the c-I-p-c-I-p. Okay.

3314
04:11:03,075 --> 04:11:06,515
you know, if we look at the very next one, t zero one

3315
04:11:07,255 --> 04:11:11,115
refi, it's presented as t zero one

3316
04:11:11,695 --> 04:11:15,665
refi sidewalk construction. We didn't make any comments on it. There

3317
04:11:16,015 --> 04:11:18,965
are no, that column is blank. Yeah. Okay.

3318
04:11:23,405 --> 04:11:27,085
okay. So I'd like to make a motion. Yeah. So that being said,

3319
04:11:27,475 --> 04:11:31,395
if you guys are good with going forward with the

3320
04:11:32,215 --> 04:11:35,895
comments notes that we made on cpac mm-hmm .

3321
04:11:36,335 --> 04:11:40,015
I will entertain a motion. Okay. I'd like to make a motion

3322
04:11:40,555 --> 04:11:44,105
to approve 6.6, the planning on zoning commission

3323
04:11:44,895 --> 04:11:47,685
cip recommendation items as presented.

3324
04:11:49,205 --> 04:11:52,975
I'll second. I'll second cory. All right.

3325
04:11:53,755 --> 04:11:57,275
so I have a motion by commissioner schad and a second

3326
04:11:57,995 --> 04:12:00,935
by commissioner hall. Any discussion on the motion?

3327
04:12:04,045 --> 04:12:07,335
just a question for staff. Um, what are,

3328
04:12:08,325 --> 04:12:12,125
what are the continued like improvements on this process

3329
04:12:12,955 --> 04:12:16,845
that we're working on currently as a staff?

3330
04:12:18,865 --> 04:12:21,675
can you restate that? What are the improvements, uh, for the cip process

3331
04:12:22,925 --> 04:12:26,885
planning process? Like, what are we doing as staff on improving this process?

3332
04:12:28,705 --> 04:12:32,165
are we doing anything now? Other than what rick just stated?

3333
04:12:33,365 --> 04:12:37,105
I can't speak to that. I, I haven't been involved in, I just started in january, so

3334
04:12:37,385 --> 04:12:41,165
I'm, I, I inherited this. Okay. In the beginning of february. I could,

3335
04:12:41,725 --> 04:12:45,625
I could ask around and okay. And find out and get some answers back to you, but I'm, I'm

3336
04:12:45,845 --> 04:12:49,845
not, I think this is usual and customary in local governments across

3337
04:12:50,125 --> 04:12:53,915
the nation where p and z makes a recommendation on cips,

3338
04:12:55,085 --> 04:12:58,565
specifically the, the x's and o's of the city of hu's process.

3339
04:12:59,505 --> 04:13:03,365
I'm not aware if there's any talk about changing or altering it at all. This is the

3340
04:13:03,565 --> 04:13:07,365
first I'm hearing about it. No changing or altering it. It is just more of improving,

3341
04:13:07,875 --> 04:13:11,865
obviously. Right. And so I was just curious. So as an

3342
04:13:12,085 --> 04:13:14,825
example, and I've, I've got, uh,

3343
04:13:17,555 --> 04:13:21,325
five mm-hmm . Proposed tweaks to the process. As an example,

3344
04:13:23,155 --> 04:13:27,005
only, uh, capital improvement projects approved

3345
04:13:27,185 --> 04:13:31,105
by city council are assigned a four digit

3346
04:13:31,455 --> 04:13:35,275
year after the project number. Okay. P zero two

3347
04:13:36,155 --> 04:13:39,965
is xx, x, x until council approves it. Then

3348
04:13:41,015 --> 04:13:44,875
whatever year they approve it in, that gets plugged into the xs.

3349
04:13:45,645 --> 04:13:49,455
okay. That year. That way everybody can look

3350
04:13:49,695 --> 04:13:53,695
and go, that's an x that's not approved yet. Right. That's a 2026

3351
04:13:55,895 --> 04:13:59,225
that's funded for this year. Council said. So, okay.

3352
04:14:00,175 --> 04:14:03,645
that's an improvement to the process. Yeah. Alteration

3353
04:14:04,315 --> 04:14:08,315
to the process. Yeah. I only ask 'cause it's probably a

3354
04:14:08,435 --> 04:14:12,175
good idea for a, a board that we

3355
04:14:12,535 --> 04:14:16,275
do lessons learned like what can we do better next time? Exactly. Exactly. And that,

3356
04:14:16,575 --> 04:14:20,515
that's kind of what I did, you know? Yeah. Call that the, the military

3357
04:14:21,325 --> 04:14:25,115
experience or whatever. It's like, okay, here's how we can make it better

3358
04:14:25,385 --> 04:14:28,915
next time. Yeah. Right. And once I kind of discuss

3359
04:14:29,395 --> 04:14:33,255
these with howard, my hope is

3360
04:14:33,545 --> 04:14:37,435
that I'm gonna bring it back as an agenda item

3361
04:14:37,715 --> 04:14:41,545
that I request you guys take a look at it and go, yeah,

3362
04:14:41,835 --> 04:14:45,675
that's something that, you know what? That sounds pretty good. Or, oh, you forgot this

3363
04:14:46,335 --> 04:14:49,275
and we can tweak it again mm-hmm . And then

3364
04:14:50,505 --> 04:14:54,495
help hopefully refine this process. Okay. Because right now, as

3365
04:14:54,715 --> 04:14:58,435
it stands, if, you know, we all die in a meteor strike.

3366
04:14:59,505 --> 04:15:03,475
yeah. The next people are gonna be starting from square one and not know what

3367
04:15:03,715 --> 04:15:07,075
to do. Right. And that's not a good way to do things.

3368
04:15:09,065 --> 04:15:12,905
and, and, sorry, one more question. I'm sorry. Okay. It, um,

3369
04:15:13,725 --> 04:15:17,665
, uh, the storage of this spreadsheet or,

3370
04:15:18,305 --> 04:15:21,245
uh, whatever the master spreadsheet for scip,

3371
04:15:22,665 --> 04:15:26,405
is that somewhere that we don't have like

3372
04:15:27,365 --> 04:15:31,065
floating works at cip worksheets everywhere or

3373
04:15:32,325 --> 04:15:36,305
I I, when I need it, I go to finance alberta is can okay, can can

3374
04:15:36,525 --> 04:15:40,145
give that to me. Okay. That's fine. Um, the, the document tonight I think is

3375
04:15:40,565 --> 04:15:44,305
actually the one, uh, that we got from, from rick. Okay. So

3376
04:15:44,825 --> 04:15:48,785
it, it hasn't actually been washed, quote unquote through the finance process yet.

3377
04:15:49,005 --> 04:15:52,205
this is literally the raw recommendation that will go,

3378
04:15:53,025 --> 04:15:57,025
uh, to the council. Okay. I was just making sure 'cause we worked on

3379
04:15:58,145 --> 04:16:02,115
the cip list and it was the wrong one, so that's why I asked that. Yeah.

3380
04:16:03,715 --> 04:16:07,565
okay. I'm good. And, and the intent is to

3381
04:16:07,725 --> 04:16:11,645
avoid that in the future. Exactly. . Okay. All right.

3382
04:16:11,905 --> 04:16:15,125
so we have, uh, I once again, we have a motion by commissioner

3383
04:16:16,205 --> 04:16:20,145
rad and a second by commissioner hall to approve the

3384
04:16:20,485 --> 04:16:23,885
cip list recommendation to city council.

3385
04:16:26,545 --> 04:16:28,965
all right. Any further discussion on the item?

3386
04:16:31,315 --> 04:16:35,225
okay. Then I will call for vote. All in favor say aye. Aye.

3387
04:16:35,705 --> 04:16:39,575
aye. All opposed. Same sign. Motion passes seven

3388
04:16:39,955 --> 04:16:43,755
zero. And now the moment some

3389
04:16:44,045 --> 04:16:45,985
of 'em have, some people have been waiting for

3390
04:16:48,305 --> 04:16:52,275
the presenta 6.7 presentation only by the huro city council's

3391
04:16:53,025 --> 04:16:56,545
ad hoc committee for the city of hu's unified development code and

3392
04:16:57,245 --> 04:16:59,205
engineering design manual amendment.

3393
04:17:01,695 --> 04:17:04,145
thank you mr. Chair. Howard konz for the record. Um,

3394
04:17:05,985 --> 04:17:09,725
put a couple of staff notes together real quick before the presentation. So this, this agenda item,

3395
04:17:10,145 --> 04:17:13,585
I'm sure you went through your packets and you saw that the udc itself is

3396
04:17:14,435 --> 04:17:17,865
many, many dozens of pages. Uh, the engineering design manual

3397
04:17:18,825 --> 04:17:22,685
as well. This is not the expectation of staff that you went

3398
04:17:22,885 --> 04:17:26,465
through it and you have a litany of questions and points and you wanna put it forward. Mm-hmm

3399
04:17:26,925 --> 04:17:30,765
. This is an opportunity for the committee to broadly and generally present

3400
04:17:31,165 --> 04:17:35,125
their changes to the document. Um, the reason is this process has been

3401
04:17:35,245 --> 04:17:39,025
going on for quite a while. I believe it started maybe in late 24 or spring

3402
04:17:39,445 --> 04:17:43,265
of 25 timeframe. We're already in april of 26. Um,

3403
04:17:43,545 --> 04:17:47,085
in that time we have new commission members. And the document that

3404
04:17:47,635 --> 04:17:51,085
this board, this commission saw the last time that went forward has been,

3405
04:17:51,905 --> 04:17:55,765
I'd say radically changed. Mm-hmm . Um, by the committee. So I think it's fair that

3406
04:17:56,085 --> 04:17:59,785
you get another bite at the apple to take a look at it, to see what it's turned into, um, before

3407
04:18:00,205 --> 04:18:04,125
you make a recommendation on it. So to that end, um, we have another calendar

3408
04:18:04,425 --> 04:18:07,170
for you. Another, another calendar of how this is gonna go. Tonight is april 7th,

3409
04:18:08,465 --> 04:18:12,365
and that is the ad hoc presentation. Um, feel free to ask them

3410
04:18:12,505 --> 04:18:16,225
any questions or get any clarification that you're looking for. Um,

3411
04:18:16,755 --> 04:18:20,635
between, uh, now and the next time that you vote,

3412
04:18:21,375 --> 04:18:24,875
legal has advised us that the city council will have to, um, propose

3413
04:18:25,465 --> 04:18:29,425
and pass a resolution that will create the opportunity for you

3414
04:18:30,485 --> 04:18:34,385
pnz commission. Have a joint meeting with the city council to

3415
04:18:34,925 --> 04:18:38,845
ultimately approve the document, whether it is a wholesale

3416
04:18:39,645 --> 04:18:43,515
revision to all the pages or repeal and replace. However it's done. That'll

3417
04:18:44,005 --> 04:18:47,635
be done at a joint meeting. So at the may 7th, which is the first regular

3418
04:18:48,265 --> 04:18:52,145
may meeting of the city council, there will be an agenda item on there to set the date for

3419
04:18:52,365 --> 04:18:56,325
that meeting. Tentatively the date is, um, uh, may the

3420
04:18:56,485 --> 04:19:00,365
21st. So the next time that you'll have to talk about

3421
04:19:00,565 --> 04:19:04,265
this as a group will be a special called meeting in may,

3422
04:19:05,225 --> 04:19:08,965
um, may the 12th planning and zoning special called

3423
04:19:09,245 --> 04:19:13,075
meeting for consideration. That will be the long meeting. That

3424
04:19:13,365 --> 04:19:17,325
will be the exhaustive exercise where we go through this chapter by chapter and page by page

3425
04:19:17,865 --> 04:19:21,725
and talk about what the changes are from the existing document, which you can find on

3426
04:19:21,925 --> 04:19:25,885
the city's development services website. It's, it's the one that we're operating under today. Mm-hmm .

3427
04:19:26,065 --> 04:19:29,605
versus the revised version that has been put in front of you,

3428
04:19:30,185 --> 04:19:33,985
uh, in your packet. Side note, if anybody wants one

3429
04:19:34,205 --> 04:19:38,075
printed out, let me know and I will. But I held

3430
04:19:38,365 --> 04:19:42,245
off on staff, um, printing those, uh, you know,

3431
04:19:42,385 --> 04:19:46,125
for you tonight. It was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400 and change

3432
04:19:46,695 --> 04:19:50,505
pages of paper. So if I get the opportunity to save that, I would take it. But

3433
04:19:50,725 --> 04:19:54,685
if you want one, I am absolutely willing and able to create that for you. You can come by and

3434
04:19:54,805 --> 04:19:58,605
pick it up if you want to be able to make changes, you know, with a pen and, and the paper.

3435
04:19:59,425 --> 04:20:02,765
um, finally, may the 21st, which is the second regular meeting

3436
04:20:03,505 --> 04:20:07,325
of, uh, the mayor and council. May the 21st would be that joint meeting

3437
04:20:07,785 --> 04:20:11,465
for p and z and council. So may 12th special called meeting. You'll

3438
04:20:11,885 --> 04:20:15,205
get to talk with them and staff and anybody else and hash it out for what your recommendation

3439
04:20:15,965 --> 04:20:19,725
for approval will be. And that will move forward to, uh, the meeting later

3440
04:20:20,005 --> 04:20:23,895
that month. So if there's, um, anything I can help you with, there

3441
04:20:24,245 --> 04:20:28,245
are, uh, a couple of things that I, that I did wanna talk about and add. I

3442
04:20:28,365 --> 04:20:32,265
can do it whenever it's appropriate. Um, one of 'em would be an ordinance for, um,

3443
04:20:32,625 --> 04:20:36,465
the city's capital recovery ordinance. The idea that we would, uh, put

3444
04:20:36,685 --> 04:20:40,565
things in the ground and then as users come and tie into it, they would pay us back a prorated

3445
04:20:40,925 --> 04:20:44,925
portion of, you know, whatever went in the ground. But there's a lot more to it than that, but mm-hmm . There's

3446
04:20:45,205 --> 04:20:48,845
something we want to add to the udc, which is the capital recovery ordinance. And the other one is,

3447
04:20:49,245 --> 04:20:53,205
I talked about earlier this evening, was the public hearing signs. I think the process we have in place right

3448
04:20:53,365 --> 04:20:57,265
now for public hearing signs could be refined. I've done it in a couple of other, uh,

3449
04:20:57,485 --> 04:21:01,325
cities where I have gone out to bid, um, as the department,

3450
04:21:01,825 --> 04:21:05,595
as the city, to all the sign manufacturers that I can find and tell them exactly what

3451
04:21:05,885 --> 04:21:09,845
I want. Size, color, location. And these sign companies will often establish

3452
04:21:10,345 --> 04:21:14,205
the signs. They'll go out and put 'em in the ground for you. All you have to do is go out and tell them.

3453
04:21:14,425 --> 04:21:18,285
so I'll put that out as a bid, I'll get a series of quotes back.

3454
04:21:18,525 --> 04:21:22,525
hopefully I will go with the lowest qualified bidder likely, or something like

3455
04:21:22,605 --> 04:21:26,445
that, or make a recommendation. We will change the fee schedule so that

3456
04:21:26,785 --> 04:21:30,115
any application that a client makes that requires a public hearing sign,

3457
04:21:31,075 --> 04:21:35,045
they would give us what ends up being a pass through. They pay us, and I'm making

3458
04:21:35,165 --> 04:21:39,045
this up a hundred dollars. Mm-hmm . So let's say there's a hundred dollars signed fee. We would

3459
04:21:39,205 --> 04:21:43,165
eventually contract with a signed contractor who would invoice us for a hundred dollars for that

3460
04:21:43,285 --> 04:21:46,915
sign going up. We just pass it through. The sign company goes out, establishes

3461
04:21:47,605 --> 04:21:51,475
the sign, they take a picture of it and send it back to us. The thing about them is they'll

3462
04:21:51,965 --> 04:21:55,675
use nicer poles. , they usually use a c channel post

3463
04:21:56,305 --> 04:22:00,285
rather than, you know, we, we may do with some wooden stakes that we were able to pick up from

3464
04:22:00,405 --> 04:22:03,405
lowe's, which worked this time. Prior to that we were using these

3465
04:22:04,895 --> 04:22:08,675
steel h frame sort of thing. A wire h frame that

3466
04:22:09,155 --> 04:22:12,835
blow over as soon as the sun shines on it. Like it's just the wire h frames that

3467
04:22:13,165 --> 04:22:17,105
I gave to the city. Yeah, yeah. Well, we, we, we had them in, the signs we had were so

3468
04:22:17,385 --> 04:22:21,305
big and the frames were so small that that wasn't really getting it done for us. So

3469
04:22:21,705 --> 04:22:25,605
we can also make these two-sided and place them perpendicular to the right of way so they're

3470
04:22:25,805 --> 04:22:29,725
visible in both travel directions without necessarily having to stop in front of it to

3471
04:22:29,925 --> 04:22:33,845
see it. And because we're gonna make them a little bit bigger, four by four, we can put two inch lettering

3472
04:22:34,245 --> 04:22:38,165
on it, two inch lettering, it, you know, 35 miles an hour, at least you can get some of the big words,

3473
04:22:39,125 --> 04:22:43,045
. Um, so anyway, that's a, that's an expectation that I'm gonna put together and I'll probably have

3474
04:22:43,285 --> 04:22:46,985
a, some, some verbiage to that, to that end, uh, by the time we,

3475
04:22:47,305 --> 04:22:51,285
we sit down again and talk about this, so it's late, I've talked too much already. I'm gonna

3476
04:22:51,365 --> 04:22:54,885
let the folks that did the hard work get up in front of you and, and give you the, the high points

3477
04:22:55,425 --> 04:22:58,275
of what they've gone through. And you can go ahead and ask him any questions. Awesome.

3478
04:23:01,465 --> 04:23:05,195
well, if howard thinks he talked too much, he hadn't seen us talk . Um,

3479
04:23:06,495 --> 04:23:10,435
so we made up a subcommittee mm-hmm . After we, um, it, it came to council

3480
04:23:10,695 --> 04:23:14,255
to vote. Um, we, some of us read through it and, um,

3481
04:23:15,475 --> 04:23:19,295
I think the consensus was it might've been sized a little bit. Um,

3482
04:23:19,735 --> 04:23:23,555
and while there are radical changes for central texas, I would argue

3483
04:23:23,865 --> 04:23:27,735
that in other parts of the country, in the state of texas, the changes are maybe not

3484
04:23:27,955 --> 04:23:31,325
as radical. Central texas, if you go to other metro areas,

3485
04:23:31,975 --> 04:23:34,915
is kind of known for being, um, extremely complicated bureaucratic

3486
04:23:36,375 --> 04:23:40,165
and bogs a lot of stuff down. And what that ultimately does is costs

3487
04:23:40,575 --> 04:23:44,435
you more in tax money in, in terms of we need more employees to navigate the

3488
04:23:44,635 --> 04:23:48,575
process. A lot of times, how many times have you guys had a meeting where we

3489
04:23:48,795 --> 04:23:52,795
have two parts of code to conflict and we're trying to figure out what executives means, or how

3490
04:23:52,995 --> 04:23:56,795
many times. I know on the council side we have people, we're debating what the code

3491
04:23:57,035 --> 04:24:00,995
of we're reading actually means. Staff's got one interpretation, but it changed

3492
04:24:01,315 --> 04:24:05,285
because we have a different staff member and then people on council read it and we can't

3493
04:24:05,525 --> 04:24:09,445
even figure it out. And yet we're expecting developers to do this. So what we did is

3494
04:24:09,705 --> 04:24:13,595
we read through every single page down to, and when

3495
04:24:13,885 --> 04:24:17,525
I say ized, we had things like what was once an sf one neighborhood

3496
04:24:18,025 --> 04:24:21,925
is now called a neighborhood hamlet. And we're like, why would you make a change to handle

3497
04:24:22,085 --> 04:24:25,925
it? What was the point of that? We looked at it as it's just making a change. To make

3498
04:24:26,125 --> 04:24:29,575
a change. We spent $400,000, uh, councilman

3499
04:24:30,245 --> 04:24:33,925
morris went through, we found a lot of sections. Section two is now section

3500
04:24:34,255 --> 04:24:38,195
three, section four is now section two. And when y'all put it back

3501
04:24:38,685 --> 04:24:42,645
together, safe to say it was almost the same damn code, but for $400,000,

3502
04:24:43,905 --> 04:24:47,705
we renumbered it and moved the paragraphs around. So

3503
04:24:47,925 --> 04:24:51,645
we read through it all with a couple focuses. One, we wanted to take away as much staff

3504
04:24:51,965 --> 04:24:55,185
discretion as possible because what we find a lot of times is,

3505
04:24:55,985 --> 04:24:59,725
um, and here's an example that I'll start off. Um, there

3506
04:25:00,005 --> 04:25:03,555
was one for a detention pond. Could be up to 25% in a building setback,

3507
04:25:04,705 --> 04:25:08,605
um, depending on staff, uh, discretion. And you had to have the, and it

3508
04:25:08,765 --> 04:25:12,605
wasn't staff at that time, it was city engineer or director of planning. So one of your

3509
04:25:12,985 --> 04:25:16,775
two highest paid people are now in a room debating where

3510
04:25:17,245 --> 04:25:21,245
the detention pond goes. What we did is we said, look, we don't want you to have the

3511
04:25:21,365 --> 04:25:25,365
opportunity to put it in this building setback, either make it work or don't make it work. We don't really

3512
04:25:25,485 --> 04:25:28,945
care. But the problem with putting that stuff in a building setback is

3513
04:25:29,605 --> 04:25:33,265
a developer then comes up and says, hey, instead of 25, can I do 35?

3514
04:25:34,665 --> 04:25:38,245
and the staff's like, well, I I could let you do 35 if you do this over here.

3515
04:25:38,945 --> 04:25:42,805
and then we spend four months of debate on something that most of the public

3516
04:25:43,235 --> 04:25:47,175
doesn't care because detention pond's a detention pond. And so we're

3517
04:25:47,725 --> 04:25:51,445
spending all this staff time doing all these debates. And I can tell you my

3518
04:25:51,765 --> 04:25:55,555
personal job, what my boss always says is, well, they can't make you do that. Yeah.

3519
04:25:55,865 --> 04:25:59,765
but you want this over here to happen. So now we we're horse trading, so we took

3520
04:25:59,925 --> 04:26:03,335
a lot of that stuff away. The things that were left, a lot of them are staff,

3521
04:26:04,025 --> 04:26:07,925
any staff, anybody in planning can make the decision because we're trying to, again, make

3522
04:26:08,165 --> 04:26:11,945
it a little bit more black and white. A couple other things, big changes we win is

3523
04:26:12,225 --> 04:26:16,125
we want to really go through what really matters to what we hear about the

3524
04:26:16,325 --> 04:26:20,305
people in huda. What do they hear? And a lot of times what we've heard is we

3525
04:26:20,525 --> 04:26:24,475
like the small town feel. But if you look at a small town in texas, what

3526
04:26:24,765 --> 04:26:28,745
do you see? You see, uh, multiple different types of uses, building types. We

3527
04:26:28,965 --> 04:26:32,315
are talking like the prototypical, um, uh, whataburger

3528
04:26:33,005 --> 04:26:37,005
with the tall steeple. And then what do you see in the big cities? They're all just block

3529
04:26:37,525 --> 04:26:41,485
buildings. They're all the same color, they're all the same, everything. Because the code has gotten

3530
04:26:41,745 --> 04:26:45,645
so complicated that developers just go, look, what does it take to

3531
04:26:45,805 --> 04:26:49,405
get it done? And so we've thrown out what makes a lot of people say what we

3532
04:26:49,845 --> 04:26:53,765
want is small town, and we thrown in big city. So to that extent,

3533
04:26:54,305 --> 04:26:57,285
um, we really looked at things like we had parking,

3534
04:26:58,465 --> 04:27:02,245
we had exhibits to where they tell you you can't have the building up on a street

3535
04:27:02,625 --> 04:27:06,445
backed up to the street. But then the diagram for parking shows a building up on a street and

3536
04:27:06,645 --> 04:27:10,445
tells you how to do the parking. And so the depictions are not matching with the,

3537
04:27:10,715 --> 04:27:14,565
with the actual wording of the law. And then in some areas we have, we

3538
04:27:14,765 --> 04:27:18,645
want you to have the buildings up on the street, but then other areas, we're telling you why we don't want the

3539
04:27:18,885 --> 04:27:22,845
buildings up on the street. And we're sitting there going like, you've got the government telling everybody

3540
04:27:23,345 --> 04:27:27,285
how to run the business. And then when it fails, we blame the business people. But the

3541
04:27:27,605 --> 04:27:31,045
business people are going, hey, my business only works like a restaurant.

3542
04:27:31,835 --> 04:27:35,765
typically they want their parking up on the street because you drive by and you see an empty lot.

3543
04:27:35,965 --> 04:27:39,845
you think the restaurant's terrible. You see it's busy. You would think that

3544
04:27:40,045 --> 04:27:43,755
would make people go away, but for some reason people are attracted to full parking lots.

3545
04:27:44,545 --> 04:27:48,405
and so to that extent, we made changes there. We made changes to parking.

3546
04:27:49,295 --> 04:27:53,245
we're dictating how much parking you have and should have. And then when you have

3547
04:27:53,365 --> 04:27:57,285
too much and too little, and we said, it's really not up to us to determine that because

3548
04:27:57,525 --> 04:28:01,405
every time we get in and doing that, you have parking lots that are too big and people

3549
04:28:01,645 --> 04:28:05,645
are telling you, we don't need that much parking. And then other times you have people saying, we need more

3550
04:28:05,885 --> 04:28:09,725
parking. And you got the city telling you, you don't need that much parking. So again,

3551
04:28:09,965 --> 04:28:13,565
we're like, look, we keep us not being business owners

3552
04:28:14,075 --> 04:28:17,905
keep telling the business people how to run their business when again, in

3553
04:28:18,125 --> 04:28:22,125
our opinion, most of the people don't care about that. What we try to stick to

3554
04:28:22,285 --> 04:28:26,135
is what do people care about? They care about landscaping, they care about trees.

3555
04:28:27,185 --> 04:28:31,135
but the problem we have with our tree ordinance right now is that, um, for every

3556
04:28:31,495 --> 04:28:34,995
50 linear feet, you have to put two canopy trees in an ornamental tree.

3557
04:28:35,745 --> 04:28:39,355
the problem is the canopy trees, the minimum one was like 90 feet,

3558
04:28:39,945 --> 04:28:43,405
um, at maturity up to 130 feet. So we'd start telling developers.

3559
04:28:44,585 --> 04:28:48,485
we had the, um, I hate to say the word data center, but we had the data center

3560
04:28:48,875 --> 04:28:52,205
over by lowe's and you drive down 79,

3561
04:28:53,225 --> 04:28:56,285
but rules are rules. And so we made those people put so many trees,

3562
04:28:57,275 --> 04:29:01,165
they're not gonna make it. Most of 'em are gonna die because we're making them put in a

3563
04:29:01,285 --> 04:29:05,165
hundred foot tall or a hundred foot wide canopy trees and we're making 'em plant

3564
04:29:05,405 --> 04:29:09,325
'em 25 feet apart. And then we're throwing ornamental trees in. On top of that, we have

3565
04:29:09,545 --> 04:29:13,485
an irrigation in water issue. And so we're like, look, maybe we need

3566
04:29:13,685 --> 04:29:17,505
to do one tree per every 50 feet and an ornamental tree and try

3567
04:29:17,725 --> 04:29:21,605
to find a way to where it's something that's gonna be more long term. Because as we, some of us

3568
04:29:21,745 --> 04:29:25,745
see it in 20 years, we should have a very nice tree canopy. Yeah. But

3569
04:29:25,965 --> 04:29:29,965
we're gonna have to cut down most of the trees that we're making people plant. Mm-hmm . And so what's the

3570
04:29:30,085 --> 04:29:33,805
healthiest way to do that? Another one the council voted on. And, and

3571
04:29:34,295 --> 04:29:38,055
these next four, I think three or four items are items that the council physically

3572
04:29:38,725 --> 04:29:42,565
voted on. So I think at this point, um, barring some major change on council,

3573
04:29:43,385 --> 04:29:47,225
we we we're gonna expect to change, make it happen. Um, we don't want trees in

3574
04:29:47,445 --> 04:29:51,245
between the sidewalk and the street. Um, we appreciate the

3575
04:29:51,475 --> 04:29:55,365
idea for, um, shade, but we see a, an issue with long

3576
04:29:55,605 --> 04:29:59,545
term maintenance of the sidewalk and the trucks hitting them. And the

3577
04:29:59,765 --> 04:30:03,685
few times that we have seen that work, um, you have some pretty beat up

3578
04:30:03,845 --> 04:30:07,785
trees out there. Um, but that is city way right away. So we

3579
04:30:08,005 --> 04:30:11,635
made that vote. We took a vote on rear

3580
04:30:12,055 --> 04:30:15,965
entry homes. We're not real happy with rear entry homes, think brookside and

3581
04:30:16,155 --> 04:30:19,925
durango. And so the city manager is a big proponent of it. Don't understand

3582
04:30:20,265 --> 04:30:23,685
why executives, what we did is we took that out of the code based on a legal opinion

3583
04:30:24,675 --> 04:30:28,605
that by not being in a code, we would have the ability to then do a

3584
04:30:28,745 --> 04:30:32,545
pud if a certain thing came up. And for some reason we saw that. Um, so

3585
04:30:32,765 --> 04:30:36,725
we took a vote to where we would take it out and leave ourselves open to the

3586
04:30:36,845 --> 04:30:40,325
ability to negotiate that for some reason that would come.

3587
04:30:41,975 --> 04:30:44,325
there was one other thing we took a vote on. You remember what it was?

3588
04:30:47,075 --> 04:30:50,925
signage. Uh, we did bring up the staff. I haven't seen the changes that signed ordinance

3589
04:30:51,285 --> 04:30:55,005
is too complex and if they can't find a way to fix it,

3590
04:30:55,425 --> 04:30:59,365
our, our suggested fix was every sign would come before city council as a consent

3591
04:30:59,645 --> 04:31:03,605
agenda item. We can look at say a chick-fil-a pole sign and

3592
04:31:03,805 --> 04:31:07,785
say, we'll approve that exact thing maintained just like that. And then we use

3593
04:31:08,005 --> 04:31:11,885
an example of a discount tire. Usually those are pretty rowdy looking when they're new,

3594
04:31:12,185 --> 04:31:15,405
we would just say no, because the way the code is written, it's so complex.

3595
04:31:16,565 --> 04:31:20,185
I do this for a living, I don't even know what signs are allowed. And so that's

3596
04:31:20,605 --> 04:31:24,525
another debate. So really try to look at the code line by line and find

3597
04:31:24,785 --> 04:31:28,605
out, okay, where are we spending a lot of staff time? We're not gonna hire more staff

3598
04:31:28,845 --> 04:31:32,325
members to sift through code and debate with things for six or nine months.

3599
04:31:33,395 --> 04:31:37,345
then we look at things like academy was a major issue. Um, due

3600
04:31:37,565 --> 04:31:41,365
to glazing requirements, they almost couldn't build because we required

3601
04:31:42,385 --> 04:31:46,365
so much changes that we had to have emergency meetings. And a couple

3602
04:31:46,445 --> 04:31:50,265
times academy deal almost died over glass on the outside. So

3603
04:31:50,485 --> 04:31:54,405
they have fake glass. And 'cause our original code was, they just had to have

3604
04:31:54,525 --> 04:31:58,085
almost glass walls. And they were like, we can't have four sides of the building with glass everywhere.

3605
04:31:58,705 --> 04:32:02,645
wow. So little things like that. We went through and tried to really think, what, what

3606
04:32:02,805 --> 04:32:06,765
is it we're really trying to do with our code? How can we simplify it? And then how can

3607
04:32:06,965 --> 04:32:10,405
we go through and when we have developmental issues, is it a people person?

3608
04:32:11,105 --> 04:32:14,935
is it a process person or is it a code, uh, type issue?

3609
04:32:15,285 --> 04:32:18,485
and if it's a code, we can fix it. If it's a person, we can fix it. If it's a process,

3610
04:32:19,345 --> 04:32:23,085
we can fix all that. So I think in all that, I don't know, we cut out what maybe

3611
04:32:24,075 --> 04:32:27,985
we'd suggested like let's say a fourth or a fifth of a code. Um,

3612
04:32:28,505 --> 04:32:32,285
the last thing I'll tell you, uh, here's another example. Um, things like,

3613
04:32:32,665 --> 04:32:36,485
um, path of travel from your building to the parking lot. We have the complicated

3614
04:32:36,885 --> 04:32:40,645
way of figuring it out. Well, we're not in the tas and a da

3615
04:32:41,165 --> 04:32:45,125
business, but we're dictating to people how to put their pathway of travels, how to lay all

3616
04:32:45,285 --> 04:32:49,245
this stuff out. And so we've kind of said, this is, that's not a responsibility that's a

3617
04:32:49,325 --> 04:32:52,605
developer as long as they get it approved by the proper governmental authorities,

3618
04:32:53,745 --> 04:32:57,205
why are we going in on top of them and suggesting? 'cause a lot of times what happens,

3619
04:32:57,965 --> 04:33:01,925
a city will tell you to do one thing, but the fire department's telling you to do it different. And they're the ones

3620
04:33:02,085 --> 04:33:05,765
that say in charge of a fire lane. And so then you start moving things to make the city happy

3621
04:33:06,665 --> 04:33:10,605
and you negotiate with the fire department. And developers get very frustrated when they're like, look,

3622
04:33:10,825 --> 04:33:14,605
we just wanna do what's right, but we can't mirror the two things. And so we

3623
04:33:14,905 --> 04:33:18,545
try to get this negotiating done. And so we're trying to get outta that. Um,

3624
04:33:19,275 --> 04:33:23,165
when it comes to, um, say you open up a restaurant, what we kinda

3625
04:33:23,325 --> 04:33:27,295
looked at is, um, when you, when you go to permit right

3626
04:33:27,645 --> 04:33:31,565
now, we spend a lot of time telling you how it's all gonna look inside and different things. And we

3627
04:33:31,765 --> 04:33:35,485
kind of took the opinion of if you're building, say a restaurant and you're doing a building finish

3628
04:33:36,025 --> 04:33:39,755
out, um, that if you have an architect that say this

3629
04:33:40,045 --> 04:33:43,845
is oversimplifying it, but if you have an architect that say, signs the plans and says, these meet

3630
04:33:44,555 --> 04:33:48,475
your 20, 24 building codes that we have adopted, um, then

3631
04:33:48,905 --> 04:33:52,845
that's where we're done as a city. As long as we're suggesting changes.

3632
04:33:53,195 --> 04:33:57,165
like they get the fire marshal to sign off on their plans, they get the health

3633
04:33:57,285 --> 04:34:01,285
department to sign off 'cause that's gonna handle your plumbing, your grease trap, all those

3634
04:34:01,445 --> 04:34:05,305
sort of things. And then your, um, your uh, state rep for

3635
04:34:05,525 --> 04:34:09,495
the, uh, tas or a da, they're gonna sign off on that. If everything else meets

3636
04:34:09,845 --> 04:34:13,565
the building codes, then we're done from a planning and from a permitting side

3637
04:34:14,095 --> 04:34:18,085
where I think the city and where we thought the sea would then come in would be when it came to inspection

3638
04:34:18,445 --> 04:34:22,285
time, the inspectors would be more making sure that it followed the 2024

3639
04:34:23,045 --> 04:34:26,715
building code, which I think is what we have adopted now, but as may be adopted

3640
04:34:27,205 --> 04:34:31,085
with further revisions that way, instead of spending months and months trying to permit

3641
04:34:31,285 --> 04:34:35,225
something, it's like, look, if you wanna set up your check stand a certain way

3642
04:34:35,445 --> 04:34:39,125
and you wanna set it up, we think it's silly, but that's your business model.

3643
04:34:39,505 --> 04:34:43,405
go ahead and knock yourself out. If it works great. If it fails, then someone else

3644
04:34:43,565 --> 04:34:47,565
will move in as long as you've got the other three people signed off. So a

3645
04:34:47,685 --> 04:34:51,525
lot of times again, um, we have gotten into issues where the health departments

3646
04:34:51,965 --> 04:34:55,905
requiring one thing when it comes to plumbing, the city's requiring another. And

3647
04:34:56,125 --> 04:35:00,125
it's kinda like, why are we, why are we in the business of saying about plumbing? If it

3648
04:35:00,285 --> 04:35:03,445
meets the code and they can get it permitted by the proper authorities,

3649
04:35:04,785 --> 04:35:08,705
why are we involved in that? So as you guys go through, that's what we're really looking for.

3650
04:35:08,995 --> 04:35:12,685
does that kind of sum it up? Yeah. Really looking for how do we make our staff

3651
04:35:13,025 --> 04:35:16,885
to where they're not buried in the minutiae of things. And then how much of it is

3652
04:35:17,085 --> 04:35:21,045
really important, uh, to the public. And then, um, a lot of

3653
04:35:21,165 --> 04:35:24,925
us change state laws. We took some of that into account. You can't dictate

3654
04:35:25,485 --> 04:35:29,245
building materials anymore. Um, some cities

3655
04:35:29,515 --> 04:35:33,285
used to require a certain type of limestone, just couldn't even be limestone. We weren't

3656
04:35:33,565 --> 04:35:37,345
that bad. But we've made changes to where we're looking ahead. Um, lot

3657
04:35:37,775 --> 04:35:41,215
sizes. I think the original code had maybe 25 pages on lot sizes

3658
04:35:42,305 --> 04:35:45,885
depend on what you were gonna build, how wide lot had to be.

3659
04:35:46,545 --> 04:35:50,385
and we dictate all that stuff. And so we kind of said this is, we want, we

3660
04:35:50,605 --> 04:35:53,445
think five feet on the side of homes is too narrow.

3661
04:35:54,785 --> 04:35:58,085
you don't wanna be hearing, you don't wanna hear your neighbor yelling at the, at the husband.

3662
04:35:58,845 --> 04:36:02,645
'cause it's ever the husband yelling at the women. It's the the wife yelling at the husband for something.

3663
04:36:02,905 --> 04:36:06,555
but you can hear that or or the old pass me the sugar neighbor. Okay.

3664
04:36:07,195 --> 04:36:11,045
alright. Yeah. So the houses are so close. So we said, okay,

3665
04:36:11,585 --> 04:36:14,725
it should be seven and a half feet or should it be 10 feet? And then we don't dictate

3666
04:36:15,655 --> 04:36:19,645
right now. Um, I forget that I think it's a hundred thousand

3667
04:36:19,805 --> 04:36:23,385
people. You can't dictate lot sizes anymore with the state of texas. Mm-hmm

3668
04:36:23,845 --> 04:36:27,705
. Typically what we've seen in the past is they hit the big cities first. The

3669
04:36:27,925 --> 04:36:31,845
next session they hit the smaller cities. So we're trying to think ahead a little bit to where

3670
04:36:31,965 --> 04:36:35,965
instead of dictating lot size, we'll just dictate side setbacks. Now it's seven

3671
04:36:36,085 --> 04:36:39,785
and a half feet. And so the builders originally when we talked to them, that's

3672
04:36:40,205 --> 04:36:43,905
great. That's great. And then they said, wait a minute, seven and a half feet, that's

3673
04:36:44,325 --> 04:36:48,305
15. Yeah. I can't build a 40 foot house anymore. I said, well that's, that's

3674
04:36:48,725 --> 04:36:52,685
your problem. Maybe you go vertical. Maybe it looks like san francisco. We don't know,

3675
04:36:52,865 --> 04:36:56,745
but we're like, and you just need a wider lot. Right. Exactly. But

3676
04:36:56,965 --> 04:37:00,925
see they want the 45 foot and we can't, we feel like we can't dictate in the future. So we were trying

3677
04:37:01,125 --> 04:37:04,985
to think ahead of potential issues to where, um, we

3678
04:37:05,205 --> 04:37:09,005
really don't want people, um, building a second home in our backyard. We actually,

3679
04:37:09,235 --> 04:37:13,205
somewhere around here we have that. Mm-hmm. And I don't know if they torn it down yet, but we vote

3680
04:37:13,405 --> 04:37:17,225
on a council to remove that house. Oh, it, it came to p and z mm-hmm . Did

3681
04:37:17,445 --> 04:37:21,405
it. Yeah. So we have that. Um, now we went to, to

3682
04:37:21,525 --> 04:37:24,725
build the, um, engineering manual a little bit. And some of the things we looked there is,

3683
04:37:25,625 --> 04:37:29,185
um, you know, when we, when we permit

3684
04:37:29,805 --> 04:37:33,325
a neighborhood, we have a pervious ratio and impervious ratio calculations.

3685
04:37:34,295 --> 04:37:38,205
right. But if you drive through new neighborhoods, everybody's adding

3686
04:37:38,405 --> 04:37:42,325
like a foot onto their driveways. Well one guy does that. It's really not gonna

3687
04:37:42,485 --> 04:37:45,785
cause flooding downstream. When you have thousands of homes adding

3688
04:37:46,785 --> 04:37:50,605
two feet along every driveway, that could be a problem. Well why are they doing it?

3689
04:37:50,955 --> 04:37:54,885
well 'cause the driveways are too narrow. So we're suggesting we make the driveways

3690
04:37:55,225 --> 04:37:59,005
one foot wider, two feet on a double. And then also the driveway length

3691
04:37:59,585 --> 04:38:03,525
is, uh, a minimum to where an f-150 can park in the driveway without crossing over

3692
04:38:03,685 --> 04:38:07,605
the sidewalk. And then the garage, we told the builders we only got a couple things

3693
04:38:08,425 --> 04:38:12,085
and then the garage has to be able to fit an f-150 in it. Yeah. Because right now

3694
04:38:12,555 --> 04:38:16,475
I've had a ford explorer not fit in a garage in texas. Mm-hmm . And so the idea

3695
04:38:16,765 --> 04:38:20,525
there being, we don't care so much about the outside articulation. That's been

3696
04:38:20,845 --> 04:38:24,765
a lot of, um, variances over the years for how your

3697
04:38:24,965 --> 04:38:28,605
garage is set up. We're like, look, we don't wanna get into all that. We're just telling you the truck's

3698
04:38:29,045 --> 04:38:33,005
gotta be able to park in it. It's gotta be a park in the driveway. 'cause ultimately we want less cars on the

3699
04:38:33,125 --> 04:38:37,025
street. We also want the streets a minimum, a certain width so

3700
04:38:37,245 --> 04:38:41,185
that we can have parking on both sides. 'cause it's a nightmare. We're painting one

3701
04:38:41,405 --> 04:38:45,285
side that's an upkeep and we're trying to make it to where we don't have staff members

3702
04:38:45,565 --> 04:38:49,565
going out to every two years painting red stripes and ticketing people. 'cause no one likes that.

3703
04:38:50,015 --> 04:38:53,805
we'll just make the streets two feet wider. And if, because literally I think we're

3704
04:38:54,125 --> 04:38:58,045
building them 28 feet wide and need to be 30 to park on both sides mm-hmm . And so

3705
04:38:58,265 --> 04:39:02,245
by skipping two feet, what we've done is we've caused an issue now with

3706
04:39:02,485 --> 04:39:06,405
the homeowners are upset because of the police department's going through. And all we have

3707
04:39:06,565 --> 04:39:10,315
to do as a city is just tell the builder, when you build your neighborhood, look,

3708
04:39:10,625 --> 04:39:14,565
we don't care what type of house you build. That's the market. We're just telling you, you gotta

3709
04:39:14,725 --> 04:39:18,285
have seven and a half foot. You gotta park an f-150 inside, you gotta park it outside

3710
04:39:19,065 --> 04:39:23,005
and the street's gotta be 30 feet. You as a market people, you figure out what you wanna

3711
04:39:23,205 --> 04:39:27,165
build. And as long as the landscaping on the outside of the street

3712
04:39:27,285 --> 04:39:31,125
looks great, we even suggested the city manager about passed out. You'll

3713
04:39:31,405 --> 04:39:35,205
like this howard, we suggested kinda like, why do we require

3714
04:39:35,535 --> 04:39:39,365
trees in front yards? And the reason we said it was not that we don't

3715
04:39:39,565 --> 04:39:43,395
think a house can't sell, the problem we have is from my front door

3716
04:39:43,945 --> 04:39:47,925
to the street, it's 25 feet, but I have a live oak planted in the middle of

3717
04:39:48,045 --> 04:39:52,005
my yard. Yeah. So I've already, the house is nine years old. I've already had to trim the tree

3718
04:39:52,265 --> 04:39:56,165
off the house. So we've gone through and told everybody we love trees,

3719
04:39:57,825 --> 04:40:01,565
but you gotta put a hundred foot wide canopy tree in the yard. That just doesn't

3720
04:40:01,845 --> 04:40:05,535
make sense. And then we have people when their trees die, then the coats

3721
04:40:05,885 --> 04:40:09,765
people are going around and we're telling everybody what to do. And we're like, you know what? We don't know what

3722
04:40:09,965 --> 04:40:13,725
the market wants. And we're assuming things and we're like, you know what? We're not in

3723
04:40:14,045 --> 04:40:17,925
business selling homes. Let them do it. And so we gave in on that one and

3724
04:40:18,085 --> 04:40:21,905
said, okay, we'll just follow the, um, what texas a and m, um,

3725
04:40:22,205 --> 04:40:26,085
agricultural agriculture, something and said a name and trees, whatever

3726
04:40:26,285 --> 04:40:29,715
a and m says to do in our area. They're the forestry, uh, experts. Yeah.

3727
04:40:30,575 --> 04:40:34,205
leave it to them. Um, that's a lovely of things that we did

3728
04:40:35,955 --> 04:40:39,805
that won't live come on up a year or two. We got till three. We had this book till

3729
04:40:40,005 --> 04:40:43,965
three. So we got out to say jim morris city council. Actually,

3730
04:40:44,285 --> 04:40:48,125
before we continue, I do have a couple of questions before we get into the,

3731
04:40:48,505 --> 04:40:51,995
uh, uh, can we finish our presentation first? Okay,

3732
04:40:52,515 --> 04:40:55,555
sure. , because we are doing the presentation. Sure.

3733
04:40:56,665 --> 04:41:00,245
but, um, jim moore city council, um, yeah. Part of the things is about,

3734
04:41:00,785 --> 04:41:04,725
in in the references we it does talk about landscaping or anything else is make

3735
04:41:04,885 --> 04:41:08,885
sure there's appropriate re references there. And, and if there was something in

3736
04:41:09,005 --> 04:41:13,005
the engineering manual, a lot of things I looked at as making sure that we didn't have duplication

3737
04:41:13,605 --> 04:41:17,605
in the engineering manual and in the, uh, udc mm-hmm . So

3738
04:41:17,805 --> 04:41:21,765
that we don't have to conflicting things and then, or if even if it's supposed to be identical,

3739
04:41:22,105 --> 04:41:25,865
now you gotta maintain document, maintain maintenance is a, is an issue. So that's

3740
04:41:26,285 --> 04:41:29,965
some things that we looked at quite a bit. I I looked at the engineering manual and made sure those

3741
04:41:30,365 --> 04:41:34,285
references. I do wanna bring up some of the things that mayor brought up. There were probably 40 or 50 instances

3742
04:41:35,055 --> 04:41:39,055
where a specific person had to speak on this waiver. Those

3743
04:41:39,405 --> 04:41:43,245
have been eliminated. Uh, there were several of 'em. Wait, wait a minute. Wait, say that again.

3744
04:41:43,795 --> 04:41:47,345
well, to it, a waiver as as mayor said that either the

3745
04:41:48,285 --> 04:41:52,115
director of engineering or the planning director had to be the only

3746
04:41:52,405 --> 04:41:56,325
person to do that waiver. So like code didn't say

3747
04:41:56,915 --> 04:42:00,885
development staff, it said the director of engineering. Like there

3748
04:42:01,085 --> 04:42:04,795
was one that had to have the director of engineering sign off and the development director. Well,

3749
04:42:05,665 --> 04:42:09,445
not everybody's working here during the day. That's right. Some are working at home. Someone's over here.

3750
04:42:10,025 --> 04:42:14,005
you gotta get two of them lined up. One of 'em has one opinion, one of 'em has another. And the developer's

3751
04:42:14,525 --> 04:42:18,495
like, look, just tell me what to do and I'll do it. But if you guys don't

3752
04:42:18,845 --> 04:42:21,765
know , then how are we supposed to know what to do? No, I,

3753
04:42:23,085 --> 04:42:26,925
I understood that to be rick hudson needs to sign off on

3754
04:42:27,125 --> 04:42:31,075
this. And I'm like, whoa. No, no. Just step, step, step. No. The thing is though, okay, it's

3755
04:42:31,365 --> 04:42:35,225
no fault of the director or the, you know, the planning de planning director or the, in

3756
04:42:35,625 --> 04:42:39,585
the, the engineering, uh, the or city engineer. No, no, no.

3757
04:42:40,065 --> 04:42:43,845
uh, disparaging opinion about them. But when you, when you've got a

3758
04:42:44,165 --> 04:42:47,995
planning process, it may take six or nine months. And now in the, in the plat,

3759
04:42:48,285 --> 04:42:51,685
the preliminary plat review, we've gotta have all these waivers done by this individual.

3760
04:42:52,465 --> 04:42:56,345
you're talking a minimum of 48 hours just to get requests and response and

3761
04:42:56,565 --> 04:43:00,525
that there's no, there's no dwell time on that. Mm-hmm . So I think that that's one of the things is that we,

3762
04:43:00,775 --> 04:43:04,325
we've tried to streamline the process and I mean streamline

3763
04:43:04,905 --> 04:43:08,845
to to that we don't have as many checks and balances while maintaining still

3764
04:43:09,065 --> 04:43:13,035
the fundamental meaning of fundamental, uh, design of the udc that

3765
04:43:13,325 --> 04:43:17,005
we do have the checks and balance of putting a, a good product out on the, on the, on the neighborhoods

3766
04:43:17,365 --> 04:43:21,285
and the streets. So that, that was a lot of instances. And I, I do wanna bring up, and, and

3767
04:43:21,445 --> 04:43:25,325
mayor did this before, there were probably at least

3768
04:43:25,565 --> 04:43:28,655
30, maybe as much as 60 instances where

3769
04:43:29,995 --> 04:43:33,125
this part of the document disagreed with this. Whether it was a picture

3770
04:43:34,025 --> 04:43:37,985
and a text or a table and a text or a description. See

3771
04:43:38,205 --> 04:43:42,165
this, could I ask for our $400,000 back from, I think it was 160,000

3772
04:43:43,005 --> 04:43:46,725
because we did a lot of work on this. And so I'm like, I think it was a hundred, I think it was 160,000

3773
04:43:47,705 --> 04:43:51,445
was the actual consulting for the redesign. But I mean,

3774
04:43:52,195 --> 04:43:56,085
yeah, we spent three to four hours, probably eight, at least eight

3775
04:43:56,595 --> 04:44:00,085
sundays, the three of us, um, to meeting, to, to review

3776
04:44:00,685 --> 04:44:04,525
all this. But, um, so, and, and the la the the last thing we talked about the,

3777
04:44:04,785 --> 04:44:08,725
you did the driveways, the, well, let me mention pla two oh was on the pla

3778
04:44:08,805 --> 04:44:12,645
so plating right now, if you're a developer and, and I'm, I,

3779
04:44:12,915 --> 04:44:16,885
most people know I try to stick as much as I can on a developer. Okay. But the more we

3780
04:44:17,045 --> 04:44:21,005
cause them in cost, the less they're willing to do for us. Well, right now, if you're,

3781
04:44:21,985 --> 04:44:25,885
if there's a, let's take the 40 acres we talked about today. Let's say somebody wanted to build

3782
04:44:26,085 --> 04:44:29,965
a restaurant. We're all excited for the restaurant. He needs to buy three acres. He's looking

3783
04:44:30,105 --> 04:44:34,045
at a 12. He or she's looking at a 12 to 15 month process to get that

3784
04:44:34,525 --> 04:44:38,005
property plotted to where it's a legal lot. Okay. And in that

3785
04:44:38,545 --> 04:44:42,365
you have to do a tree study. You have to do a flood study, you have to do a tia,

3786
04:44:43,505 --> 04:44:47,445
um, there's over probably a hundred thousand dollars worth of costs

3787
04:44:48,305 --> 04:44:52,255
to do everything. And you're just trying to get the three acres okay. Or the two

3788
04:44:52,425 --> 04:44:56,315
acres. You push them through all that. And so what typically happens is people do

3789
04:44:56,535 --> 04:45:00,335
an ilic a lot and it's not like they're gonna go to jail or anything, but they're closing on land on meets

3790
04:45:00,655 --> 04:45:04,475
and bounds, which is very hard to index at the, uh, the, the,

3791
04:45:04,795 --> 04:45:08,735
uh, county. And so the whole reason is why are they, why are

3792
04:45:08,815 --> 04:45:12,535
they doing this? And they're doing it because our process is on, we don't wanna necessarily

3793
04:45:12,935 --> 04:45:16,775
do away with those processes. What matt rector was working on was a different,

3794
04:45:17,775 --> 04:45:21,695
a different way of doing it to where, and I forget what he called the, uh, lot, but you

3795
04:45:21,895 --> 04:45:25,315
were gonna be able to get a lot in 30 days because our opinion is

3796
04:45:25,995 --> 04:45:29,895
the state wants a lot platted in 30 days. And all cities

3797
04:45:30,215 --> 04:45:33,965
have done is figured out all the ways to drag it out to where what

3798
04:45:34,255 --> 04:45:38,075
we would say is, we get you an answer in 30 days. It just takes you

3799
04:45:38,295 --> 04:45:42,295
12 months to get everything ready in the application done to get it. Well, that's not the intent of the

3800
04:45:42,415 --> 04:45:45,935
state. So how do we get the intent of the state? The developer

3801
04:45:46,725 --> 04:45:50,655
doesn't mind doing all this work. They just don't wanna do it all when they just went

3802
04:45:50,815 --> 04:45:54,655
to three acres. Can they even get the three acres and they run? And what happens in commercial real

3803
04:45:54,935 --> 04:45:58,855
estate, they run out of time. They've maybe got six months to, for due diligence and

3804
04:45:58,975 --> 04:46:02,905
then they have to close. Well, six months, you can't get through the process.

3805
04:46:03,215 --> 04:46:06,915
there's not a city in central texas that can get it done. Other

3806
04:46:07,265 --> 04:46:10,785
parts of the state we looked at, they can get it done. They've moved their processes

3807
04:46:11,305 --> 04:46:15,145
to a different part of the development. So we still wanna protect everything. We just wanna

3808
04:46:15,345 --> 04:46:19,225
make sure that we just go quicker. We don't want to have this, I don't know how these people are

3809
04:46:19,385 --> 04:46:23,025
waving a shot clock other than they're probably being

3810
04:46:23,415 --> 04:46:26,895
told that, hey, this is a easier way, just waive it. Well,

3811
04:46:27,445 --> 04:46:31,305
the whole point is we need legal lots. And so we worked on that

3812
04:46:31,485 --> 04:46:35,225
and I, again, I don't remember what matt rector called it, but that was a big thing to where

3813
04:46:35,515 --> 04:46:39,305
staff was saying, you can't get it done sooner. And then we said, you're

3814
04:46:39,625 --> 04:46:43,305
gonna have to figure it out. And so rector came up with a way, it's like a provisional

3815
04:46:43,855 --> 04:46:47,625
plat or something effort. But anyway, you get the, you get the league lot and you stick out the process.

3816
04:46:49,295 --> 04:46:52,785
but, um, yeah. And uh, I guess the last thing, understanding

3817
04:46:53,635 --> 04:46:57,635
what, what mayor has said and what we've tried to accomplish is a, there, in the packet,

3818
04:46:57,835 --> 04:47:01,675
there are three documents. There's the red line that starts on

3819
04:47:01,875 --> 04:47:05,875
page two 17, which is the, basically the document that was given to

3820
04:47:06,075 --> 04:47:09,975
us by the consultant that we got rid of all the accuracy things

3821
04:47:10,455 --> 04:47:14,415
and the just typo type of stuff. So that that's your modified yes.

3822
04:47:14,635 --> 04:47:18,395
it was our modified of accuracy, just typos. This table didn't

3823
04:47:18,795 --> 04:47:22,575
agree. You know, we didn't, we didn't change the content of the, of,

3824
04:47:22,855 --> 04:47:26,755
of what it just said that this table said it needed a a a an sup

3825
04:47:27,265 --> 04:47:30,995
over here. It said you didn't. So find out what it's supposed to be and make it one. So after those

3826
04:47:31,395 --> 04:47:35,265
accuracy checks, so just to clarify, that's not what the, what

3827
04:47:35,875 --> 04:47:39,555
the consultant submitted? That's exactly what the

3828
04:47:40,175 --> 04:47:43,655
the committee what the, what what the co what the consultant gave us was

3829
04:47:44,835 --> 04:47:48,405
a lot a load of kaka. So I mean it really was our red line that

3830
04:47:49,035 --> 04:47:52,765
okay, so the, yeah, I'll, I'll give you an example. Um, so we would have like,

3831
04:47:53,105 --> 04:47:56,875
um, when, when you go through the code, this is another one. There's

3832
04:47:57,365 --> 04:48:01,245
a lot of stuff doing here. When you go through the code, a lot of times you've got your definitions over here

3833
04:48:01,445 --> 04:48:05,365
of what all the different uses are. I wanna open up a daycare, here's a definition. Mm-hmm

3834
04:48:05,765 --> 04:48:09,675
. Then you go to your zoning table. Okay. And that's sometimes that said

3835
04:48:09,965 --> 04:48:13,645
an su it would have an s for whatever zoning classification.

3836
04:48:14,665 --> 04:48:18,365
but when you go back to the definition, it didn't say that it would say zone by. Right.

3837
04:48:19,025 --> 04:48:22,725
and so we mirror, mirror those up. We also recommended

3838
04:48:23,715 --> 04:48:27,565
that instead of having all this information, two places just have it in one. Mm-hmm

3839
04:48:27,925 --> 04:48:31,905
. Because a lot of times you're flipping through, I don't know what the code was, five, six,

3840
04:48:32,125 --> 04:48:36,045
maybe a thousand pages. And so you go through a thousand pages and you're going back and

3841
04:48:36,165 --> 04:48:39,995
forth and we had definitions that didn't exist. We had definitions that

3842
04:48:40,395 --> 04:48:44,325
were there that not in the zoning table. And so they didn't match up. Even tonight

3843
04:48:44,765 --> 04:48:48,125
with the z code, there is no heavy industrial in the city of texas,

3844
04:48:48,895 --> 04:48:52,805
idaho of texas, out where they got heavy industrial. It's not in

3845
04:48:52,965 --> 04:48:56,885
the old code. It's not a new code. So yeah. Just so you guys know, they're

3846
04:48:57,205 --> 04:49:01,145
asking for a zoning that doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah. Earlier and now it's coming. So

3847
04:49:01,365 --> 04:49:05,145
it's industrial and light industrial. Right. That's it. You get it. That's

3848
04:49:05,565 --> 04:49:09,405
how you get to the code to where again, somewhere in there it probably says something about heavy industrial.

3849
04:49:10,075 --> 04:49:13,985
well, it says, you know, b is for business and, and light industrial and

3850
04:49:14,365 --> 04:49:18,345
I is for industrial. Those are the, that's our two codes. B and I and the new udc oh.

3851
04:49:18,665 --> 04:49:22,605
and in the old one didn't have a heaviness. So that's what I mean. Right. That's sometimes we see those and we

3852
04:49:22,725 --> 04:49:26,165
go, there's some, there's a conflict somewhere and we would try to find it. Mm-hmm .

3853
04:49:26,825 --> 04:49:30,345
no, all, all I was asking about is the,

3854
04:49:30,945 --> 04:49:34,805
the consultant provided a, okay, here's a mess,

3855
04:49:34,965 --> 04:49:38,845
here's what we're submitting and we're not going

3856
04:49:39,125 --> 04:49:43,065
to get that. So we shouldn't look for that. What we should look for is

3857
04:49:43,285 --> 04:49:46,835
what he submitted and you guys redlined with

3858
04:49:47,465 --> 04:49:51,195
the graphical errors and stuff. Right. Okay.

3859
04:49:52,025 --> 04:49:56,005
the first document is a red line, but the red line is the product

3860
04:49:57,025 --> 04:50:00,815
of, of direction from the subcommittee to city staff

3861
04:50:01,785 --> 04:50:05,755
to correct all the typo pointing to the wrong picture. Okay.

3862
04:50:06,065 --> 04:50:10,005
the picture saying, having the wrong example. I think guys just saying the same thing. He's saying

3863
04:50:10,755 --> 04:50:14,645
consultants, we're not getting the consultants final product. But the red

3864
04:50:14,765 --> 04:50:17,695
line document is after we've gotten the cleaned up consultant

3865
04:50:18,825 --> 04:50:22,765
is what, what is what the subcommittee has decided that this is what we want

3866
04:50:22,965 --> 04:50:26,465
to change the changes that mayor outlined about the, the

3867
04:50:27,005 --> 04:50:30,905
driveways and or the um, the planning process. Okay. Those have the red

3868
04:50:31,125 --> 04:50:35,125
lines in there. So that's what I'm trying to get you guys to focus on is what the

3869
04:50:35,285 --> 04:50:39,185
red line is, is what are the changes to the udc that the

3870
04:50:39,405 --> 04:50:43,405
subcommittee has directed to staff for us to

3871
04:50:43,565 --> 04:50:47,485
implement new. So that's what y'all should be, I feel like that's what y'all should be looking at. He saying, because

3872
04:50:47,645 --> 04:50:51,275
those are contextual changes. He's saying the red line is a consultant's clean copy

3873
04:50:51,715 --> 04:50:55,405
with our suggested changes. Okay. So everything from typographical

3874
04:50:56,745 --> 04:51:00,595
to yes sir. Misalignment to substantial changes when

3875
04:51:00,885 --> 04:51:04,545
it came to objection. Doesn't match that. Right. I I, I understand what's

3876
04:51:05,205 --> 04:51:09,125
included, but I have a question regarding that

3877
04:51:09,315 --> 04:51:13,075
because what of what you just said that

3878
04:51:14,015 --> 04:51:17,925
these are directed to staff by council or the

3879
04:51:18,085 --> 04:51:21,685
ad subcommittee committee as these are the changes.

3880
04:51:22,585 --> 04:51:26,395
so we're certainly not going to look at the red lines and go, well,

3881
04:51:26,685 --> 04:51:30,645
that's not right. We're not, I think you disagree. I disagree. I think

3882
04:51:30,725 --> 04:51:34,565
you should. I mean, you guys looked at it once, y'all should look at it. Howard howard's right? You guys looked at it once

3883
04:51:34,745 --> 04:51:38,605
as a different makeup, but you looked at it once senate to city council. We got a subcommittee,

3884
04:51:39,555 --> 04:51:43,085
made a bunch of changes. And I think what we're asking is go back and look at it,

3885
04:51:43,755 --> 04:51:47,685
read through it. See if you track with us. If you're like, hey, we, we see major

3886
04:51:47,965 --> 04:51:51,805
issues. I haven't signed a plat, I don't know, must it been three years since

3887
04:51:52,045 --> 04:51:55,525
the mayor signed a plat or four years? So I haven't looked he doesn't know he is january.

3888
04:51:56,425 --> 04:52:00,185
no, but it's a, it's a texas state thing. It is been a while. Yeah. And so, um,

3889
04:52:00,585 --> 04:52:04,475
so there's things like that to where we're looking at making changes to things that

3890
04:52:06,085 --> 04:52:09,895
I haven't seen from a city side. And so I think your guys' input is invaluable

3891
04:52:10,625 --> 04:52:14,605
to be able to go, hey, did you think about this? Or, I see where you're going. I

3892
04:52:14,725 --> 04:52:18,665
think there's a better way to do this. And we wanted to cut another yeah. You're just asking for

3893
04:52:19,235 --> 04:52:23,205
some more ice to look at. Yeah. And I'm sorry, I'm being unclear, but the, I I would like,

3894
04:52:23,885 --> 04:52:27,705
I would suggest that p and z look at the red

3895
04:52:27,925 --> 04:52:31,845
line copy mm-hmm. For actual contextual changes. You know, does this look

3896
04:52:32,045 --> 04:52:35,625
good? Right. Hey, have you, you know, whatever. Yeah. Uh, and then the, the,

3897
04:52:36,185 --> 04:52:39,865
the, the, um, the next thing is the engineering now, and that's

3898
04:52:40,525 --> 04:52:44,405
engineering manual starts on page 5 5 5 that has no red lines in it. That

3899
04:52:44,645 --> 04:52:48,085
is what we consider the subcommittee considers to being the final

3900
04:52:48,685 --> 04:52:52,475
engineering manual draft, which has very little changes from what matt

3901
04:52:52,825 --> 04:52:56,565
rector did that one. So we have very little if any, changes in that.

3902
04:52:56,985 --> 04:53:00,445
and then the last on page h 8 69 is the udc

3903
04:53:01,505 --> 04:53:04,805
in a final draft form with all the red lines incorporated.

3904
04:53:06,585 --> 04:53:10,405
so, okay. Just trying to get, give you a little map. Yeah. Of these three. That's

3905
04:53:10,725 --> 04:53:14,585
what I was trying to clarify is, wait, what are we getting? Okay, so

3906
04:53:14,805 --> 04:53:18,085
we're getting, we're getting the well in this packet, those are those three

3907
04:53:19,005 --> 04:53:22,665
documents. Okay. Okay. So we're getting the engineering manual, which has

3908
04:53:23,155 --> 04:53:26,765
very few red line corrections. We're getting the initial

3909
04:53:27,265 --> 04:53:31,105
red line pass and we're getting the final red

3910
04:53:31,325 --> 04:53:35,145
line, the product of those red lines. Okay. If all are included. So the, that's

3911
04:53:35,565 --> 04:53:39,285
what I was trying to clarify is, so the udc document and the engineering manual

3912
04:53:40,075 --> 04:53:43,825
have no red lines in them. Those are final versions based on

3913
04:53:44,235 --> 04:53:48,165
okay. What was in the red line. Okay. And on the engineering manual, there really were

3914
04:53:48,365 --> 04:53:52,005
no errors. It was more of using the engineering manual

3915
04:53:52,945 --> 04:53:56,805
as the, as the, the gospel mm-hmm . And then making sure the udc

3916
04:53:57,625 --> 04:54:01,395
agreed to it and we had proper references to the proper thing. Okay.

3917
04:54:01,745 --> 04:54:05,625
and that this reference may say, it didn't just say see engineering manual, it

3918
04:54:05,845 --> 04:54:09,785
said see engineering manual section, this. Right. Okay. So that's good. So, uh,

3919
04:54:10,825 --> 04:54:14,725
couple of couple of few questions. Um, you talked about

3920
04:54:15,405 --> 04:54:19,165
businesses and you know how we shouldn't be in the business of

3921
04:54:19,885 --> 04:54:23,845
dictating to businesses. I don't, some things I don't

3922
04:54:24,205 --> 04:54:28,125
disagree with that. But when we look at like tonight's

3923
04:54:28,725 --> 04:54:32,715
the 42 acres, originally we had

3924
04:54:32,995 --> 04:54:32,995
to,

3925
04:54:37,125 --> 04:54:40,625
or I, I believe that we should say, you've got

3926
04:54:41,385 --> 04:54:45,205
x number of shops, you need to have x number of

3927
04:54:45,745 --> 04:54:49,595
a da parking you need and mm-hmm .

3928
04:54:49,905 --> 04:54:53,725
because what I don't want to happen is a development come in 40 acres,

3929
04:54:54,515 --> 04:54:57,855
whatever, and they end up like the, the, uh,

3930
04:54:59,015 --> 04:55:02,675
the fitness place that's sharing space with the church where they're parking

3931
04:55:03,215 --> 04:55:07,095
all over the lawn. That that shouldn't be allowed. Well, that's

3932
04:55:07,515 --> 04:55:11,395
good code. So it's against code. It should be allowed. Yes. And I would say, I would say

3933
04:55:11,655 --> 04:55:15,545
yes, my opinion, yes. And no one, we, I don't know if they should be, they

3934
04:55:15,835 --> 04:55:19,755
should be parking on paved areas. We're not getting into that. What I say no is when it

3935
04:55:19,915 --> 04:55:23,675
comes to aada, a parking spots that's covered by the a da and the

3936
04:55:23,975 --> 04:55:27,955
tas after hug gonna, I tell you how many spots you gonna have. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And so

3937
04:55:28,095 --> 04:55:31,975
you can't get a site plan approved. Mm-hmm . Like, I think it's like after 48 spots you

3938
04:55:32,195 --> 04:55:35,945
have to go to 3 88 parking spots or something mm-hmm . And so like

3939
04:55:36,235 --> 04:55:39,825
we keep 'em at 47 spots at keep two, but that's not a city code.

3940
04:55:40,535 --> 04:55:44,255
that's 80 d eight. And that's what we try to get rid of is a lot of times our code was

3941
04:55:44,575 --> 04:55:48,395
one and the problem is, is right now they mirror up. Two years

3942
04:55:48,595 --> 04:55:52,095
from now the government makes some change and now all of a sudden they don't mirror up.

3943
04:55:52,775 --> 04:55:56,615
and so we're looking at just saying, look, that's an aada a issue. Now we don't want you parking on

3944
04:55:56,845 --> 04:56:00,835
grass. And we actually have an issue in downtown where, you know, some people wanna

3945
04:56:01,115 --> 04:56:04,675
park in gravel and we wanna do this, we wanna do that. Some of those we have problems with.

3946
04:56:05,155 --> 04:56:09,155
'cause we have uh, tceq and we have drainage. We have a drain, I think it's a drainage

3947
04:56:09,515 --> 04:56:13,515
permit. Right. With them or ms four. Yeah. Ms four. And so that dictates

3948
04:56:14,075 --> 04:56:18,035
things. And so we're like, look. Right, we can't, we're not gonna break that. And so things like

3949
04:56:18,315 --> 04:56:22,045
that, I think that's what I think the code handles we're just taking out. We're

3950
04:56:22,395 --> 04:56:26,145
just, we're providing a reference to that. We don't wanna tell heb it's that way if it changes. Yeah.

3951
04:56:26,815 --> 04:56:30,635
and, and we do, we do that kind of thing all the time where it's in compliance with state

3952
04:56:30,835 --> 04:56:34,675
law or in compliance with state. Yes. We, we don't wanna tell heb where to put their parking

3953
04:56:34,975 --> 04:56:38,715
at. Right. How much to have and what's, what's gonna be a handicap spot because

3954
04:56:38,995 --> 04:56:42,895
that's already, that's already, um, um, governed by other

3955
04:56:43,455 --> 04:56:47,395
state and federal laws. And I guess, I guess what I'm looking at from

3956
04:56:47,885 --> 04:56:51,725
a larger development, not an individual business standpoint, but a larger

3957
04:56:51,925 --> 04:56:55,765
development standpoint, if we don't dictate to them that they

3958
04:56:55,965 --> 04:56:59,795
must have parking, where else

3959
04:57:00,745 --> 04:57:04,725
is that dictated to them? The state? Like in terms of if, if we

3960
04:57:04,925 --> 04:57:08,825
don't, so heb for example, if we don't tell 'em, you

3961
04:57:09,075 --> 04:57:13,055
must have paved parking. Mm-hmm . Who else does

3962
04:57:13,345 --> 04:57:16,865
that? Does the state mandate that customer, if there's nowhere to park, they don't go,

3963
04:57:17,655 --> 04:57:21,395
well, what if it's gravel? Well, now that no, see no. That's different issue.

3964
04:57:21,775 --> 04:57:25,665
that that's, that's, we're not gonna tell you how much what we have, we're, we're, we're suggesting is

3965
04:57:25,785 --> 04:57:29,525
we're not gonna tell you how much parking to have. Right. We did say it's gotta be like nine by

3966
04:57:29,985 --> 04:57:33,865
18, or I forget, nine and a half by 18 that. But our current code right now,

3967
04:57:34,515 --> 04:57:37,945
every time the school district does a project that come to us for variances mm-hmm . Why

3968
04:57:38,605 --> 04:57:41,865
we dictate how many motorcycle parking spots you have to have in a development.

3969
04:57:42,845 --> 04:57:46,825
we don't wanna get into that. We cities dictate, I've seen cities not only dictate

3970
04:57:47,185 --> 04:57:51,085
you have to have a bike rack, they dictate a certain type of bike rack. Yes. Right. And

3971
04:57:51,305 --> 04:57:55,305
it's specific to that city. And we're like, look. Yes. We don't wanna get into, if you have

3972
04:57:55,425 --> 04:57:59,245
a bike rack or not, the public and your customers will determine it. The

3973
04:57:59,465 --> 04:58:03,305
problem is how many times you see a bike rack just stuck out over on the side somewhere?

3974
04:58:03,785 --> 04:58:07,685
'cause it checked a box. Yeah. When if you just let the people go, look, I got something else. The

3975
04:58:07,905 --> 04:58:11,825
reason we don't wanna get into the parking is we don't know. You know, when I was a kid,

3976
04:58:12,485 --> 04:58:16,465
the um, open air malls was a big thing. And then on they tore 'em all

3977
04:58:16,505 --> 04:58:20,385
down. They built enclosed malls. And I don't know what the hell happened. They started

3978
04:58:20,585 --> 04:58:24,285
tearing all 'em down, went back to enclo or, uh, outdoor malls. Mm-hmm . And

3979
04:58:24,605 --> 04:58:28,405
so the business community is gonna dictate whatever the customers want. Right. We

3980
04:58:28,625 --> 04:58:32,095
just wanna make sure we have what we find important protected

3981
04:58:32,785 --> 04:58:36,425
drainage, uh, landscaping on the outside, you know, home depot,

3982
04:58:37,445 --> 04:58:40,945
we said, look, do we care how much landscaping's in the center island?

3983
04:58:42,095 --> 04:58:45,985
some people say, yes, I'm a guy that says no, because if you drive through, all the trees

3984
04:58:46,105 --> 04:58:50,025
are broken down anyway. And so we're not out there patrolling it, antagonist it. Well

3985
04:58:50,225 --> 04:58:54,175
we wanna make sure it's from the street. When you drive down the road and you're new passing through huro,

3986
04:58:55,095 --> 04:58:59,065
does it look good or does it look like an eyesore? We want it to look good. If, if you're in a

3987
04:58:59,145 --> 04:59:03,135
passenger car and you pull out a chick-fil-a, do you need to get out of the sunroof

3988
04:59:03,645 --> 04:59:07,405
to see the traffic coming at you? Almost. Almost. So,

3989
04:59:07,695 --> 04:59:11,155
yeah. But when it comes to your point on gravel parking and grass right.

3990
04:59:11,755 --> 04:59:15,385
we're not making changes that that's, that's governed by. Okay. And, and that, that's

3991
04:59:15,785 --> 04:59:19,745
kind of where I was going is, you know, I understand, okay, we wanna make it

3992
04:59:19,865 --> 04:59:23,625
easier and so on, but if the state doesn't say

3993
04:59:24,205 --> 04:59:27,945
you will have paved parking for this kind of facility,

3994
04:59:29,125 --> 04:59:33,095
then isn't it our job to say that? Yeah. If that's what we want. I think that's

3995
04:59:33,295 --> 04:59:37,175
in our, that's our ms four permit change. We're just not, we're just not gonna be dictate. It

3996
04:59:37,375 --> 04:59:41,295
has to be pa or right. Mayor, mayor,

3997
04:59:41,735 --> 04:59:45,405
while ago, while ago, excuse me, while ago, you were talking about the

3998
04:59:45,845 --> 04:59:49,795
concrete foot on each side of the driveway mm-hmm . Is that something that, that

3999
04:59:50,305 --> 04:59:54,105
we are going to, uh, highly encourage the

4000
04:59:54,325 --> 04:59:58,265
builder to do, or well, that's a great thing about the engineering manual and

4001
04:59:58,505 --> 05:00:02,485
the udc mm-hmm . It's very easy to highly encourage it. If you all say,

4002
05:00:02,685 --> 05:00:06,505
you know, it's a good idea and we pass it, you're gonna have to build it that way. Yep.

4003
05:00:06,865 --> 05:00:10,765
and so that's, that's our building code that we have. No, you just kind of confusing me a little bit. 'cause

4004
05:00:10,885 --> 05:00:14,835
when you said if you have 50 or 60 homes, uh, and you have 'em all like that, it's

4005
05:00:15,125 --> 05:00:19,045
gonna increase flooding. Well it does now because when, when, when they're doing

4006
05:00:19,205 --> 05:00:22,945
their calculations on and approving things, they're doing it based on

4007
05:00:23,705 --> 05:00:27,445
so much impervious pavement. Well, every time one homeowner and you have a

4008
05:00:27,725 --> 05:00:31,285
thousand homeowners add on everywhere, now it's throwing off that detention

4009
05:00:31,795 --> 05:00:35,685
pond was only built to handle so much. Yeah. Right. And so a thousand homes

4010
05:00:35,925 --> 05:00:39,905
adding that on. So what we're saying is we'll just make it wider. They'll run

4011
05:00:40,125 --> 05:00:43,975
different calcs and people are gonna start building wider and longer driveways, which

4012
05:00:44,325 --> 05:00:48,135
is gonna affect, honestly, it's gonna affect lot sizes. 'cause you can't have a longer driveway. Right.

4013
05:00:48,555 --> 05:00:52,385
okay. And that's gonna push your house back and oh,

4014
05:00:52,645 --> 05:00:56,355
I understand. He lives in a neighborhood you couldn't even park at fort explorer in yeah.

4015
05:00:57,105 --> 05:01:00,925
in uh, durango. Unless you wanna, you know, you gotta have your garage door open to get the bumper in in

4016
05:01:01,125 --> 05:01:05,005
there. Good luck with getting well, it's public safety hazard. You go through some streets, two cars

4017
05:01:05,255 --> 05:01:08,965
can't get by. If trash cans are out or people are parked on the street, that causes

4018
05:01:09,725 --> 05:01:13,685
emm s problems as well. That's right. Right. And go, you know, we, we looked at, I told

4019
05:01:13,845 --> 05:01:17,805
the city manager, go drive down to brookside. He said, it can be done better. I'm like, I don't think it

4020
05:01:17,965 --> 05:01:21,965
can because I'm seeing issues down there because we, we gave like, every time

4021
05:01:22,085 --> 05:01:26,045
you give a developer a foot, they're gonna take 10 feet. Mm-hmm . And so we're like, look

4022
05:01:26,205 --> 05:01:29,525
on some of it, do we really care? And it was like, no, we probably don't.

4023
05:01:30,265 --> 05:01:34,025
but on the stuff, we do care. We just stopped making it gray and said, look, either

4024
05:01:34,505 --> 05:01:38,445
do it this way or go pick a different city. We don't really care, but this is what the new rule's

4025
05:01:38,805 --> 05:01:42,795
gonna be. And then that way staff doesn't spend week after week

4026
05:01:43,235 --> 05:01:46,885
arguing about things. 'cause then they call us and then we're like,

4027
05:01:47,885 --> 05:01:51,875
I mean I don't understand what, you know, why, why are you upset about this? But we also

4028
05:01:52,375 --> 05:01:56,365
added a lot more suvs into the process. Okay. Because a lot of

4029
05:01:56,485 --> 05:02:00,405
things we had, what the recommendations were from the consultant was a

4030
05:02:00,525 --> 05:02:04,415
lot more uses in, I think it was b one or b two, which

4031
05:02:04,765 --> 05:02:08,725
is all around residential. And some of the uses, we were like, no, no, no,

4032
05:02:08,885 --> 05:02:12,885
no, we, we don't want all that. We wanna have an sup process because sometimes we're okay

4033
05:02:13,045 --> 05:02:17,025
with that use. And then it depends on the use we're okay with. So

4034
05:02:17,315 --> 05:02:21,295
it's like, I'll just say not all drive throughs are built the same. Right.

4035
05:02:21,645 --> 05:02:25,605
and so some of them you'd say, that'd be freaking awesome and we'll do it. Right. And other ones

4036
05:02:25,925 --> 05:02:29,825
you're like, no, no, no. The traffic on that, you know, chick-fil-a would be great, but

4037
05:02:30,285 --> 05:02:34,085
I mean, tell me a chick-fil-a that doesn't have a double drive through wrapped around the building out into the street

4038
05:02:34,305 --> 05:02:38,210
mm-hmm . That's not gonna go well everywhere. So we wanna have a little bit more input. We

4039
05:02:38,410 --> 05:02:41,965
want staff to be able to say, hey, um, yeah, it's zoned. Right.

4040
05:02:42,585 --> 05:02:46,045
but the drive through's an sup and you have to get through council and council

4041
05:02:46,635 --> 05:02:50,445
does not like traffic backing up into the streets or p and z doesn't

4042
05:02:50,765 --> 05:02:54,625
like it back up in the streets. So you guys are gonna have to rework this. I'm

4043
05:02:54,845 --> 05:02:58,685
telling you now, if you don't, you're liable to get a denial. And then we come up and we go, we don't

4044
05:02:58,885 --> 05:03:02,805
want it backed in the street answer's. No. And that, that was

4045
05:03:02,965 --> 05:03:06,915
another question that I had is, um, with

4046
05:03:07,345 --> 05:03:11,025
the, I'm gonna say, uh, elimination of

4047
05:03:11,765 --> 05:03:15,485
a quarter of the udc, did you guys

4048
05:03:15,785 --> 05:03:18,605
go and take a look at the sup

4049
05:03:20,105 --> 05:03:24,015
uh, I'm gonna say allowances so that there

4050
05:03:24,385 --> 05:03:28,165
is some flexibility when they come up and they say, yeah, you know, we want to do this

4051
05:03:28,625 --> 05:03:32,275
uh, 30 foot drive through for a chick-fil-a single lane.

4052
05:03:33,785 --> 05:03:37,595
no, that ain't gonna work. . Have you ever been to a chick-fil-a it that

4053
05:03:37,885 --> 05:03:41,685
ain't gonna work. Right. Well, my understanding is by law you, you're able to do that anytime an sup process

4054
05:03:42,015 --> 05:03:45,805
comes up that you've got two important things you can do. And, and howard or the

4055
05:03:46,085 --> 05:03:49,705
attorney, um, can jump in, tell I'm wrong. But typically, um,

4056
05:03:50,105 --> 05:03:53,885
you know, I'm famous for making a comment to the isd one time when they came up and said,

4057
05:03:54,465 --> 05:03:58,445
you can't tell us what to do and we're here, we're here just as a courtesy. And

4058
05:03:58,605 --> 05:04:02,235
I was like, look, you're asking for an sup. If we ask you to paint your building pink,

4059
05:04:02,865 --> 05:04:06,765
we can do that in sup because when you come up for an sup and you want a variance of code,

4060
05:04:07,465 --> 05:04:11,385
we can require anything. And that's why I tell people all the time, listen

4061
05:04:11,805 --> 05:04:15,645
to the presentation and then decide maybe

4062
05:04:15,995 --> 05:04:19,955
there is no way to mitigate it. Maybe it's like, look, you're gonna have to do x, y, z. And they're like, well

4063
05:04:20,075 --> 05:04:23,955
that kills the site. Well that's not my problem. The other flip side is, is once you do do

4064
05:04:24,115 --> 05:04:27,985
that sup people say, you know, I heard tonight. Well how are you gonna enforce it? Well,

4065
05:04:28,655 --> 05:04:31,475
if you violate certain things, if you say you can't have

4066
05:04:32,835 --> 05:04:36,795
whatever, more than 20 people in a drive through, that's the legal limit we're gonna allow

4067
05:04:36,955 --> 05:04:40,915
you to have. Mm-hmm . Then you regularly see 25, you can end up

4068
05:04:41,115 --> 05:04:45,035
through a process, another public process you can take to sup back away

4069
05:04:45,635 --> 05:04:49,385
rescind it and that effectively closes 'em down. Yep. And so suvs

4070
05:04:49,915 --> 05:04:53,875
I find are very, very important in development process because you can

4071
05:04:54,065 --> 05:04:57,395
massage each thing completely different. What I really dislike personally

4072
05:04:58,775 --> 05:05:01,995
is when you just have code that's broad to where

4073
05:05:03,005 --> 05:05:06,835
staff, a council's not paying attention, whatever, all of a sudden

4074
05:05:07,095 --> 05:05:10,615
up zone by. Right. Well, you know, not every zoning thing for

4075
05:05:11,105 --> 05:05:15,015
some of us works out. It always depends on each situation. And

4076
05:05:15,235 --> 05:05:19,055
so what we've looked at is how do we do this to where you all can put input? You

4077
05:05:19,275 --> 05:05:23,195
know, one of the things council, uh, tasks at p and z with is be tough

4078
05:05:23,455 --> 05:05:26,635
on people. Don't be afraid to be tough. You're the first line of defense.

4079
05:05:28,235 --> 05:05:31,635
arguably we will end up being the nice guys. But that's, you know,

4080
05:05:32,375 --> 05:05:36,325
people that know me know I'm not trying to be the nice guy. But that's the point of it is,

4081
05:05:36,505 --> 05:05:40,405
is that you guys help move the line forward. I think the sup process,

4082
05:05:40,865 --> 05:05:44,785
as you guys go through it, you'll see opportunities to, to

4083
05:05:45,005 --> 05:05:48,725
push the, push the line some to where people come, you know,

4084
05:05:49,045 --> 05:05:53,045
squawking at council, man, these guys are tough. It's like, well as the city builds out, it

4085
05:05:53,445 --> 05:05:57,235
gets tougher. Go try to permit in cedar park. It's not an easy, uh, it's

4086
05:05:57,525 --> 05:06:01,185
not an easy trip going through cedar park. And and that's part of the reason why I asked the

4087
05:06:01,725 --> 05:06:05,145
question about the s is because, um,

4088
05:06:06,975 --> 05:06:10,945
that gives the city council p and z

4089
05:06:11,345 --> 05:06:14,975
whatever gives the city the ability to negotiate.

4090
05:06:16,455 --> 05:06:20,365
because in my opinion, 70%

4091
05:06:21,375 --> 05:06:24,895
of the people who come in here to p and z wanting something,

4092
05:06:25,805 --> 05:06:28,945
it's a custom. We've never seen this particular,

4093
05:06:29,925 --> 05:06:33,365
it's not cookie cutter. We have to look at each

4094
05:06:34,145 --> 05:06:38,135
individual one and decide, is this right? Is this wrong? Do we need

4095
05:06:38,295 --> 05:06:42,295
to tweak this somewhere? And if the sup has been expanded but the

4096
05:06:42,565 --> 05:06:46,335
code has been cut back, then we still have the ability

4097
05:06:46,955 --> 05:06:50,795
to negotiate that power of the su. Right. That's right. You

4098
05:06:51,015 --> 05:06:54,855
know, if, if I've never a yes on any project, but I can always get to a yes,

4099
05:06:55,195 --> 05:06:59,155
you may not like it. And I can't tell you how many times we had a guy six months ago,

4100
05:06:59,435 --> 05:07:03,305
he was up here banging, I'm gonna sue you if you guys don't vote this way. And I was like, don't,

4101
05:07:03,945 --> 05:07:07,895
don't, uh, chat me with a good time. That's fine. There's a certain thing that I'm looking

4102
05:07:08,075 --> 05:07:11,895
for and if you want me to vote you, you can get six other votes.

4103
05:07:12,195 --> 05:07:16,175
if you want my vote and me to not be, you know, talking about it, then you're

4104
05:07:16,415 --> 05:07:20,415
gonna have to go do certain things because I have concerns about things. And so a

4105
05:07:20,535 --> 05:07:24,525
lot of times people end up not wanting, um, I've voted against more

4106
05:07:24,815 --> 05:07:28,575
developments around here than I voted for. And it was simple things. I just

4107
05:07:29,025 --> 05:07:32,855
wanna take what you said in verbal. I want to have it in writing as part of the

4108
05:07:33,095 --> 05:07:36,935
sup. 'cause I know that by law, if you don't follow that, which you heard today, people

4109
05:07:37,215 --> 05:07:41,035
don't follow rules 'cause we're not attach 'em to the sup. Right. You

4110
05:07:41,255 --> 05:07:45,215
attach to that. You don't build the berm or we sit in your permit and I

4111
05:07:45,575 --> 05:07:49,455
don't know what that happens to your deal, but you can't operate anymore. And that's, I build a burn myth.

4112
05:07:49,695 --> 05:07:53,695
I was you. Yep. Or whatever the issue is. Exactly. And so that's what we're trying to task y'all with is a look,

4113
05:07:53,955 --> 05:07:57,775
you'll look at that and you'll go, there's a whole lot of s's got put in where

4114
05:07:58,015 --> 05:08:01,395
it was permitted by. Right. Because as we build all these neighborhoods up,

4115
05:08:02,615 --> 05:08:06,535
I don't know that a daycare goes next to every neighborhood because daycares cause

4116
05:08:07,095 --> 05:08:10,975
a little bit of traffic, especially some of the bigger ones. So let's make

4117
05:08:11,175 --> 05:08:15,025
sure that when we build a daycare, we have proper parking. 'cause again, we're

4118
05:08:15,375 --> 05:08:19,375
not dictating parking. But you want to have one that holds a hundred kids and you have

4119
05:08:19,575 --> 05:08:23,375
a q line of six cars and you have four parking spots. Well that

4120
05:08:23,655 --> 05:08:27,575
doesn't make sense. , so you guys are gonna go, doesn't work for me. I think you

4121
05:08:27,695 --> 05:08:31,695
need a minimum like 50 parking spots and you need a queue line. And so I think what'll

4122
05:08:32,055 --> 05:08:35,865
happen is the market always takes advantage and does the

4123
05:08:36,085 --> 05:08:40,005
bare minimum. Yes. The problem is when you write all in code, they do the bare minimum

4124
05:08:40,425 --> 05:08:44,245
and it's our fault. Everything is screwed up. Exactly. Because we codified it.

4125
05:08:44,475 --> 05:08:48,325
yeah. But if we make the market go, look, there are a bunch of grumpy people up

4126
05:08:48,525 --> 05:08:52,275
there. They vote no a lot. You're gonna have to present a really good item

4127
05:08:52,825 --> 05:08:56,445
to the, you know, to the planning and zoning. And you get through that, you go to city council

4128
05:08:56,985 --> 05:09:00,885
and they're just as bad. I think what you'll find is a lot

4129
05:09:01,005 --> 05:09:04,825
more people will present things in a manner where you'll sit back and you'll go, you

4130
05:09:05,045 --> 05:09:08,775
know, I'm okay with this. And then we'll start having a deal to where, hey, when you come to hu, don't

4131
05:09:09,125 --> 05:09:12,605
cut the corners. Don't screw around. You go through the process like that,

4132
05:09:13,545 --> 05:09:17,345
but you try to screw around. You try to skimp on something, people

4133
05:09:17,765 --> 05:09:21,305
just say no 'cause mm-hmm . I mean, the easiest thing to say is no.

4134
05:09:21,905 --> 05:09:25,805
and you don't really get hurt by saying no. Where you get hurt is by saying yes and going, well we

4135
05:09:25,925 --> 05:09:29,365
screwed that up. We shouldn't have done that. That's right. Which is why like your neighborhood,

4136
05:09:30,055 --> 05:09:34,005
we're just now going through, digging up all the ditches and redoing 'em. 'cause we said,

4137
05:09:34,205 --> 05:09:38,145
and I don't wanna talk to you about that, we said 20 years ago to stuff and

4138
05:09:38,365 --> 05:09:42,365
we were saying yes to all these neighborhoods, open ditches because, well, we wanted homes

4139
05:09:42,645 --> 05:09:45,865
20 years ago. And so we would do anything to get people moved to hu now

4140
05:09:46,865 --> 05:09:50,685
we don't have to do all that. Now we can say, look, we want roads. If we want roads

4141
05:09:51,005 --> 05:09:54,725
built in concrete, you put in the engineering manual. Oh, you wanna do asphalt? Well,

4142
05:09:55,085 --> 05:09:59,085
I dunno what to tell you. Go to another city. We're now, we're upping things up. Well it costs

4143
05:09:59,285 --> 05:10:03,205
us more. Well what costs you more? Costs us less. And so don't build it.

4144
05:10:03,985 --> 05:10:07,935
so there's a lot of things like that to where, you know, um, we're

4145
05:10:08,285 --> 05:10:11,605
trying to get to where, I guess yeah, more of a market based approach.

4146
05:10:12,485 --> 05:10:16,275
approach where y's input city staff gets input and it's

4147
05:10:16,565 --> 05:10:20,445
like, hey, you can do really good and, you know, do something great

4148
05:10:20,785 --> 05:10:24,685
and you just sell right through the system. And then again, you try to cut

4149
05:10:24,845 --> 05:10:28,685
corners or we think you're cutting corners or you're doing something that really is stupid, doesn't

4150
05:10:29,125 --> 05:10:33,015
make sense. We just, you know, cut it down and say no real quick and save staff

4151
05:10:33,365 --> 05:10:36,285
time and save everybody a whole lot of grief.

4152
05:10:37,505 --> 05:10:41,355
hey, mike. That's right. Go ahead. At the meeting that we had here

4153
05:10:42,085 --> 05:10:45,995
a couple of saturdays ago mm-hmm . We were kind of touched base on zero

4154
05:10:46,445 --> 05:10:50,365
escaping. Uh, my question exactly what I was gonna call out. Huh? I was gonna call

4155
05:10:50,485 --> 05:10:54,405
that. Go ahead. Is that what you were ask? Yeah, go ahead. You fine? No, I was just asking did y'all kind

4156
05:10:54,565 --> 05:10:58,565
of touch base or change anything? Uh, as far address that there was some landscape

4157
05:10:59,045 --> 05:11:03,045
changes? Go ahead. I was gonna say, I don't think we changed any of that. I

4158
05:11:03,165 --> 05:11:06,935
think we actually put I know, don't be afraid. Do say don't,

4159
05:11:07,285 --> 05:11:10,905
don't be afraid to step up for the record. Evan porterfield city council place. Fine. You're

4160
05:11:11,325 --> 05:11:15,245
you're too far away to bite. You're fine. Um, yeah, I don't think any of that we changed the language

4161
05:11:15,385 --> 05:11:19,285
on, I think, um, I think we actually added more language. Uh, I don't think it was much, but we

4162
05:11:19,605 --> 05:11:23,225
added more language to allow more of that. Uh, 'cause our mindset was,

4163
05:11:23,625 --> 05:11:27,625
hey, if you want to do that, I mean, that just saves on the irrigation costs. So mm-hmm . Um, you

4164
05:11:27,845 --> 05:11:31,845
know, we wanted to be that more of an option. I don't think we dictated that necessarily. Texas a

4165
05:11:32,165 --> 05:11:35,325
m I'd like to see that be a little more forceful for constraint of water

4166
05:11:36,185 --> 05:11:40,165
and save saved the city money. Uh, we, we can, we can go in

4167
05:11:40,465 --> 05:11:44,365
and and look at that and see if we need to uh, yeah. If

4168
05:11:44,485 --> 05:11:48,475
you guys want to yeah. If you want to enhance that at all. But like I said, I think, I think the only thing we did was made

4169
05:11:48,765 --> 05:11:52,685
it, uh, easier for people to do that. But it wasn't anything that we dictated that they had to

4170
05:11:52,805 --> 05:11:56,005
have. Yeah. Like, uh, but we, we were in favor of it. I don't live in an hoa

4171
05:11:57,265 --> 05:12:01,165
and if, if I did and an hoa came along and said,

4172
05:12:01,745 --> 05:12:05,725
you have to have grass, I'd tell 'em go get bent . Well, right

4173
05:12:05,845 --> 05:12:09,765
now, a lot of times the city's telling you you have to play. Exactly. Yeah. And that's one

4174
05:12:09,885 --> 05:12:13,765
thing, again, we want landscaping, but we go through, I mean those,

4175
05:12:14,025 --> 05:12:17,735
we, we know what it's, except for last year, it usually lasts.

4176
05:12:18,085 --> 05:12:21,705
rain is sometime in may and then rain again till september. Yeah. So

4177
05:12:22,515 --> 05:12:26,045
what I've seen around, around the metro area is when we actually had mighty

4178
05:12:26,565 --> 05:12:30,275
find open up, they opened up on a tco because they couldn't plant landscape

4179
05:12:30,905 --> 05:12:34,835
for four months because we were in the middle of a stage three mm-hmm . And it's like, okay,

4180
05:12:35,425 --> 05:12:39,055
how does that make sense? And then they plant all that stuff and you're going, but every

4181
05:12:39,435 --> 05:12:43,325
year we're putting ourselves in. Yeah. And you know, right now, this year it's gonna

4182
05:12:43,605 --> 05:12:47,485
be a whole lot better 'cause you have more water. But you're in a market that you have

4183
05:12:47,645 --> 05:12:51,205
to ask yourself. You know, I'm not advocating for the data center people.

4184
05:12:51,755 --> 05:12:55,525
most of their water used is in irrigation. Right? Yeah. They're irrigating

4185
05:12:56,225 --> 05:12:59,925
all this stuff because we're saying, hey, you gotta plant all these trees. Sometimes it makes sense.

4186
05:13:00,985 --> 05:13:04,515
the one by lowe's, when you drive down 79, it's in a hole. They're

4187
05:13:05,005 --> 05:13:08,845
walling off a whole thing of trees. You're gonna drive by and always see

4188
05:13:09,045 --> 05:13:12,765
a big building there. Yeah. But the trees are supposed to block the building, but they're never gonna grow 60

4189
05:13:13,075 --> 05:13:17,045
feet tall. No. So what would've maybe made more sense is to go, do we really

4190
05:13:17,165 --> 05:13:21,005
need all that right there? Maybe we needed the money. I don't know, spend it some other park.

4191
05:13:21,945 --> 05:13:25,445
so you, a lot of things like that. If you guys will look at it and kind of go, hey, you know what,

4192
05:13:26,185 --> 05:13:30,165
um, we do want planting. There's a lot of trees in phoenix, but it's a

4193
05:13:30,245 --> 05:13:34,245
desert. Mm-hmm . But they have different things. There's mexican sagebrush that goes really

4194
05:13:34,525 --> 05:13:38,485
nice. Right. It doesn't die when it gets to be zero. Yep. It doesn't die when

4195
05:13:38,685 --> 05:13:42,485
you don't water it for six months. Mm-hmm . But people aren't

4196
05:13:42,925 --> 05:13:46,645
planting it. I mean, it's more of a climate thing. Um, I know some, there's

4197
05:13:47,005 --> 05:13:50,885
a lady I know she hates, um, crate myrtles. I got crate myrtles in my backyard.

4198
05:13:51,545 --> 05:13:55,525
the things bloom year round. And they never look like they need water. I don't know

4199
05:13:55,565 --> 05:13:59,085
where they get their water from. I don't know how it works. Oh, they're plants. But I know you can, from your foundation,

4200
05:13:59,625 --> 05:14:03,605
you keep 'em 30, 30 feet from your foundation. I fence. Fence. But you can chop 'em

4201
05:14:03,685 --> 05:14:07,525
off. It seems like that. Like back, what, what can we do to where we get what

4202
05:14:07,725 --> 05:14:11,545
we want? We want shade. That stuff does reduce overall, um,

4203
05:14:12,745 --> 05:14:16,565
um, temperature in our city. Mm-hmm . Yeah. Um, but we wanna make sure it's also something

4204
05:14:16,965 --> 05:14:20,725
to where in 10 years people aren't cutting all the trees down because they died.

4205
05:14:21,235 --> 05:14:24,965
tree or house. You're gonna pick your house every time. But we want, we want

4206
05:14:25,645 --> 05:14:29,285
greenery. My, as an example for the trees, my front yard,

4207
05:14:30,035 --> 05:14:33,845
when I bought the house, they had two brand new trees planted.

4208
05:14:34,225 --> 05:14:38,035
and I looked at it and I'm like, well, I ain't gonna move that tree, but they're

4209
05:14:38,525 --> 05:14:42,465
eight feet apart. One of them's dead and the freeze killed one

4210
05:14:42,685 --> 05:14:46,425
off. I chopped it down. I'm like, yep, okay, we're good. I got one

4211
05:14:46,705 --> 05:14:50,665
big old tree and everyone loves it. Now, on the flip side, I think we did, uh,

4212
05:14:51,165 --> 05:14:55,125
I don't know what we ever did with, we were advocating to more tree surveys. There is a

4213
05:14:55,245 --> 05:14:58,925
little bit of a, if you have a property and you have a tree and you wanna cut it down,

4214
05:15:00,095 --> 05:15:04,085
we're like, I like the trees there, but who am I? Or who

4215
05:15:04,245 --> 05:15:08,085
are we as a government to say, rick can't cut a tree down. It's in the middle of his

4216
05:15:08,445 --> 05:15:12,165
property on two acres. And now, now he has to work his development around it. Well, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

4217
05:15:12,485 --> 05:15:16,445
. That's not our responsibility. Well, we ought to try to find, like we did, um, have a certain

4218
05:15:16,605 --> 05:15:20,245
development that may come. And right now their pud says they have to have,

4219
05:15:20,955 --> 05:15:24,805
they had to keep the trees. It's at limmer. Um, no, it's at edge bit. And live oak

4220
05:15:25,005 --> 05:15:29,005
to southeast corner have to keep the trees, historic trees, the,

4221
05:15:29,225 --> 05:15:33,095
the pecan trees. They're really big. No, they're really big. Um, the han peon property. Yeah,

4222
05:15:33,385 --> 05:15:37,225
the pecan trees. The hanson. Yeah. That's, those are live trees. The put says you gotta keep

4223
05:15:37,505 --> 05:15:41,465
'em. Well, another person came through and said, hey, we might have a certain use. You guys, they've really

4224
05:15:41,545 --> 05:15:45,385
been wanting, we'd like to put there, but the trees are in the way. We said they can come

4225
05:15:45,625 --> 05:15:49,145
'em down. But we'd like the opportunity to move them. And so our ideas

4226
05:15:49,685 --> 05:15:53,485
at our cost, we wanna be able to move them to one of our parks to where they're very nice, mature

4227
05:15:53,905 --> 05:15:57,745
trees. Okay. But we are pro-development and they're gonna plant other trees.

4228
05:15:58,365 --> 05:16:02,305
and I do wish we had these, you know, big 24 inch trees.

4229
05:16:02,965 --> 05:16:06,945
but to say you have to work your whole development around a 24 inch tree mm-hmm . Or you have

4230
05:16:07,105 --> 05:16:11,065
to move at your own cost kind of kills development. And it's really not a

4231
05:16:11,185 --> 05:16:15,025
prop for some of us, it's a property rights issue. But again, we're trying to find ways

4232
05:16:15,265 --> 05:16:19,175
instead of saying no, how do we incentivize you to say, yes, I'll

4233
05:16:19,465 --> 05:16:23,435
move it. So whether it's tree credits or so. Right. Again,

4234
05:16:23,785 --> 05:16:27,245
little things like that, we, I don't know that we could think of everything. Um, we, um,

4235
05:16:28,085 --> 05:16:31,465
we did get rid of the, the on the, on the single family or the family units.

4236
05:16:32,105 --> 05:16:35,765
remember there was sf and mf, but they had hamlets. And

4237
05:16:36,185 --> 05:16:39,845
remember they were like five or six hamlets and hamlets had commercial in them. That's

4238
05:16:40,265 --> 05:16:43,945
right. And we got rid of that. Neighborhoods could have zoning for neighborhoods,

4239
05:16:44,505 --> 05:16:48,385
could have commercial in there within the hamlet, per the consultant. They split

4240
05:16:48,585 --> 05:16:52,465
yeah. Potentially families to hamlets. They went from two or three zoning to like six

4241
05:16:52,625 --> 05:16:56,185
or eight zonings in these different hamlets with different types of commercial.

4242
05:16:56,885 --> 05:17:00,425
and for a little, his history on that, I believe that was because

4243
05:17:01,875 --> 05:17:05,345
there was a push, a trend, whatever you want to call it,

4244
05:17:05,965 --> 05:17:09,955
to the village concept where there is a, there

4245
05:17:10,305 --> 05:17:13,825
is a corner store, which doesn't exist. It's a

4246
05:17:14,465 --> 05:17:18,125
convenience store gas station. Yeah. You know, there was corner stores,

4247
05:17:18,555 --> 05:17:22,465
there was walkability of this so that you don't have to get in your

4248
05:17:22,625 --> 05:17:26,585
car and drive. I think that was the intent. Well, we saw as a little bit of laziness to where a guy

4249
05:17:26,785 --> 05:17:30,725
come up and say, I'm gonna zone a hundred acres is residential, and I'm gonna put some

4250
05:17:30,885 --> 05:17:34,885
commercial on the outside. And we're like, look, you can do the commercial on the outside,

4251
05:17:35,265 --> 05:17:39,165
but we want to have a say in that. And so you're gonna have to zone it exactly one way.

4252
05:17:39,345 --> 05:17:43,045
you can't just come in. Because what you could also do is, as we get older

4253
05:17:43,365 --> 05:17:47,205
neighborhoods, you don't have an hoa next thing you know, I'm buying two lots, tearing

4254
05:17:47,525 --> 05:17:50,965
them down, and I'm building a liquor store right in the middle of your neighborhood and you're going,

4255
05:17:51,705 --> 05:17:55,365
I'm going, I'm zoned by. Right rick, you can't do nothing about it. Uh, this is a neighborhood,

4256
05:17:55,915 --> 05:17:59,585
blah, blah, blah. And we're like, we're not doing that. Right. And, you know, uh,

4257
05:18:00,625 --> 05:18:04,545
I'm gonna go way back to the old smart code, which they used in

4258
05:18:05,005 --> 05:18:08,845
brooklyn's. And they did exactly what you were talking about. Here's all the houses,

4259
05:18:09,585 --> 05:18:13,405
here's the commercial up front. We meet the requirements mm-hmm . And it's

4260
05:18:13,605 --> 05:18:17,325
like, okay, so yes, I get it. The neighborhood or a

4261
05:18:17,685 --> 05:18:21,645
hamlet thing. I think that was the but intent. But we mixed that and got back to,

4262
05:18:21,905 --> 05:18:25,365
but it wasn't implemented well. Well essentially we cut out 54 pages.

4263
05:18:26,235 --> 05:18:29,925
okay. Um, current document three, four. There's, you cut out 54 pages outta how many

4264
05:18:30,665 --> 05:18:34,445
cop, 3 78. 3 78 to 3 24. 3 24. That wasn't enough.

4265
05:18:34,875 --> 05:18:38,845
then you cut more. Well, hey, that's why I, hey, you guys can cut it more scissors. You're not

4266
05:18:38,885 --> 05:18:42,885
gonna hurt our feelings. But no city manager did think he, he told me once that

4267
05:18:43,085 --> 05:18:46,435
you guys kind of got a, uh, the council kind of has a little bit of a libertarian bent.

4268
05:18:47,185 --> 05:18:51,005
and I wouldn't say it's more of a libertarian bent. I'd say it's more of a, um, we're

4269
05:18:51,285 --> 05:18:55,205
trying to be efficient, efficient with, you know, our, some of our employees

4270
05:18:55,795 --> 05:18:59,685
make well over six figures. And so they're not able,

4271
05:18:59,965 --> 05:19:03,885
there's only 40 hours a week that they're able to work and get everything done. And so we're really trying to,

4272
05:19:04,005 --> 05:19:07,885
again, before we started this conversation, really dial into what do we really

4273
05:19:08,245 --> 05:19:12,235
need to be focusing on? What's really important? And then how do we take as much gray

4274
05:19:12,525 --> 05:19:16,045
out and just tell people like mm-hmm . Answer's no. Now ultimately they could bring

4275
05:19:16,565 --> 05:19:20,485
anything to council to get it overwritten. Right. But if staff can go back and say,

4276
05:19:20,685 --> 05:19:24,605
like, for instance, the sign, if it was all suvs, um, and it was on consent,

4277
05:19:25,035 --> 05:19:28,955
it's like, hey guys, counsel's very particular right now. And look,

4278
05:19:29,275 --> 05:19:33,215
look around at the signs. Um, they're saying no to everything unless you put stone

4279
05:19:33,625 --> 05:19:37,185
and you make it look pretty and you gotta put some lipstick on it. Otherwise they say no.

4280
05:19:37,815 --> 05:19:41,725
right now we can't even, we got development on one 30 trying to build in our

4281
05:19:41,885 --> 05:19:45,125
sign. I think the, the maximum's like six feet and so

4282
05:19:47,145 --> 05:19:50,575
mm-hmm . It's a, it's a, it's a psychological issue

4283
05:19:51,355 --> 05:19:55,175
with development in these big box people. They don't like six foot tall signs

4284
05:19:55,705 --> 05:19:59,545
for 40 acre developments. And so we usually end up doing a variance or

4285
05:19:59,825 --> 05:20:03,565
we do a pud mm-hmm . And I think one of the issues we have is everything's a pud now,

4286
05:20:03,895 --> 05:20:07,725
right? Mm-hmm . And a pud. Everybody's writing their own code. Yep. Well, what's

4287
05:20:08,005 --> 05:20:11,605
the point of having a code if you're gonna have every development's a p, so what's causing

4288
05:20:12,025 --> 05:20:16,005
the pud and what can we do? And some of it we're, it's gonna have to

4289
05:20:16,125 --> 05:20:20,125
be a put 'cause it's maybe some major mixed use and it's, you know, it's gonna be great. In other

4290
05:20:20,325 --> 05:20:24,245
parts. It's like, like, I don't know, the last time we had a neighborhood built that was built by code,

4291
05:20:24,505 --> 05:20:27,925
it seems like they're all built by some development agreement and some p

4292
05:20:28,585 --> 05:20:32,385
and so we're just getting out of, uh, what like slope. We

4293
05:20:32,605 --> 05:20:36,605
had one that was uh, I think called exchange. They got a variance for the

4294
05:20:36,725 --> 05:20:40,725
slope of the roof. Yeah. I don't even know why we cared. And we always say yes.

4295
05:20:40,945 --> 05:20:44,845
so it's like, why do we run through this system? Let's not use to have time for

4296
05:20:45,045 --> 05:20:49,045
that, but let's make sure we're not, you know, we're limiting the amount of multifamily they're having

4297
05:20:49,185 --> 05:20:53,075
to, uh, the amount of units they can have per acre. Things like that. Okay.

4298
05:20:53,465 --> 05:20:57,445
so, uh, I wanna bring something up regarding what we're looking at on the screen right

4299
05:20:57,645 --> 05:21:00,705
now. I'm a little concerned with 34

4300
05:21:02,475 --> 05:21:06,065
days for us to have a special called meeting for

4301
05:21:06,525 --> 05:21:10,525
consideration on this. I think that might be rushing this. I would not

4302
05:21:10,645 --> 05:21:14,275
be here on may 12th. I'm gonna be on vacation. Okay. Okay.

4303
05:21:14,765 --> 05:21:17,185
I won't be here. Well look, but that's,

4304
05:21:18,905 --> 05:21:22,105
that's a concern of mine. I think that might be a little too

4305
05:21:23,515 --> 05:21:27,275
much rush because I mean, I'm, I'm not casting,

4306
05:21:27,945 --> 05:21:31,205
I'm not throwing shade. But you guys took nine months to look at this

4307
05:21:32,065 --> 05:21:35,965
and we're doing it in 35 days. Well that's . We did a lot of work.

4308
05:21:36,645 --> 05:21:39,645
I pushed back, I pushed back this little bit. You guys already approved it as a board

4309
05:21:40,655 --> 05:21:44,035
and we didn't like it. And so then what we did is we didn't,

4310
05:21:45,355 --> 05:21:49,235
I I hear you, but I'm just saying. So we took it and we said, hey, and we gave it back to staff

4311
05:21:49,535 --> 05:21:53,415
in january and they were like, holy smokes, you guys are making

4312
05:21:53,845 --> 05:21:57,825
major. I passed that. Then, um, ashley left.

4313
05:21:58,535 --> 05:22:02,075
howard came in, wanted to give howard the opportunity to read this because he's getting ready.

4314
05:22:02,855 --> 05:22:06,355
he takes a job and the first thing he comes to is, is finding out like, hey, they just,

4315
05:22:07,105 --> 05:22:11,095
they just gutted a whole section of this. So, um, I don't think the, the

4316
05:22:11,315 --> 05:22:15,275
date, to me, the dates and the times to me don't mean I don't care if we

4317
05:22:15,355 --> 05:22:19,115
do it in june or july. Okay. We're using an old code. It's just some things

4318
05:22:19,385 --> 05:22:23,195
like, um, oh, like, oh, I know what the other one was. We changed, we

4319
05:22:23,395 --> 05:22:27,195
took a vote on right now as code is, if you wanna have a food truck and you wanna park

4320
05:22:27,435 --> 05:22:31,355
it at lowe's, you have to go get an affidavit signed by someone with

4321
05:22:31,555 --> 05:22:35,425
the public restroom saying that your people can use that

4322
05:22:36,035 --> 05:22:40,035
bathroom. And so we ran into an issue where an ice cream truck wanted to

4323
05:22:40,195 --> 05:22:43,915
park. Now, to be honest with you, most people just park the truck.

4324
05:22:44,865 --> 05:22:48,795
they conduct their business and they don't even pay tax in. I don't think they pay

4325
05:22:48,955 --> 05:22:52,725
tax in. How do they get in? They get out. And so we're like, okay, now you got a person who's

4326
05:22:53,075 --> 05:22:56,915
like, look, I wanna be here permanently and come in and I wanna follow

4327
05:22:57,155 --> 05:23:00,975
everything and pay taxes. But this public restroom thing, I'm selling ice

4328
05:23:01,195 --> 05:23:05,195
cream. Does it make any sense for me to have, you know, someone order a sundae

4329
05:23:05,555 --> 05:23:09,515
and then go, hey, I gotta go to the bathroom really bad. That's good. And we're like, okay.

4330
05:23:09,975 --> 05:23:13,755
so we took a vote and said, look, my wife, that's up to the person who's frequenting

4331
05:23:14,035 --> 05:23:17,935
the food truck yeah. To go figure out how to get the restroom. Exactly. And most people are

4332
05:23:18,155 --> 05:23:22,155
gonna say, yeah, you can use my restroom. 'cause potentially lowe's or whoever's gonna sell more

4333
05:23:22,355 --> 05:23:25,925
merchandise. Right? Yeah. So little things like that we were navigating through

4334
05:23:26,465 --> 05:23:30,265
and I would call this a living document. As you guys go through, you

4335
05:23:30,485 --> 05:23:34,365
can say you wanna move to june 12th, whatever howard and you guys come up with, I don't

4336
05:23:34,525 --> 05:23:38,325
think we care. Okay. We're using an old one. I think where they're caught into

4337
05:23:38,625 --> 05:23:41,875
is they see substantial changes coming in some areas potentially.

4338
05:23:43,145 --> 05:23:46,565
and they're telling people, I'm guessing you guys are doing this.

4339
05:23:47,385 --> 05:23:51,285
here's what it says today. If you wait like a month, this won't be an issue.

4340
05:23:52,125 --> 05:23:55,885
. And what you're asking for a variance on, I think they're gonna do it, but we don't know quite

4341
05:23:56,225 --> 05:23:59,725
yet. And so, yeah. I mean for example, tonight

4342
05:24:00,385 --> 05:24:03,785
the data center stuff that was in the

4343
05:24:04,405 --> 05:24:08,315
revisions that we looked at and approved over

4344
05:24:09,045 --> 05:24:12,965
a year ago. Yeah. Almost two years ago. It's like okay. And what was approved, by the way, took out

4345
05:24:13,165 --> 05:24:17,165
the sup for data centers. Right. What I

4346
05:24:17,315 --> 05:24:21,245
spearheaded put it in there. And so when I read that, the first thing I did is said, no, no, no,

4347
05:24:21,405 --> 05:24:25,215
no. Gotta be an sup for data centers. Gotta have input.

4348
05:24:25,625 --> 05:24:29,425
so things like that that were right. But I'm, I'm saying that was an

4349
05:24:29,645 --> 05:24:33,165
example of hey, you know, we voted on on these

4350
05:24:33,685 --> 05:24:37,305
sup changes and approve them, you know, two years ago,

4351
05:24:37,925 --> 05:24:41,845
whatever. And it's been a while. You know, tonight we have an

4352
05:24:42,205 --> 05:24:45,955
sup or we have, we have a data center that

4353
05:24:46,245 --> 05:24:48,805
should absolutely be going through an sup process

4354
05:24:50,585 --> 05:24:54,525
and we're operating off of old code. Well, old code still has

4355
05:24:54,645 --> 05:24:58,605
an sup process. Right. We, we 'cause we didn't adopt the change and then we put it back

4356
05:24:58,725 --> 05:25:02,655
in. But yeah, to, to your point, we do have some issues like that to where we've

4357
05:25:03,005 --> 05:25:06,995
made or we want some changes. I think everybody would agree to 'em. Mm-hmm . But old code.

4358
05:25:07,665 --> 05:25:11,605
but um, I think old code's gonna be more restrictive on things that maybe I think you guys are

4359
05:25:11,685 --> 05:25:15,585
gonna find doesn't matter as much. And then the stuff we are picking on,

4360
05:25:15,925 --> 05:25:19,885
I think think you guys have finally like, that's pretty good now I don't think we haven't

4361
05:25:20,165 --> 05:25:24,005
seen your changes. Right. Or your suggestions. Now howard brought in my opinion, brought

4362
05:25:24,365 --> 05:25:27,965
up the cost recovery, the capital, whatever that was called. That was great catch.

4363
05:25:29,185 --> 05:25:33,075
um, I'm a little concerned personally about the signage thing only

4364
05:25:33,365 --> 05:25:37,085
because when, when this data center we, we use tennet as example

4365
05:25:38,155 --> 05:25:42,045
when they came through and I found out, I uh, I think the city manager told me

4366
05:25:42,555 --> 05:25:46,445
that, um, hey we had to go put the sign out 'cause they missed it. I was like, well that's their problem.

4367
05:25:46,605 --> 05:25:50,525
right? Well you know, we're trying to be helpful and I'm like, that's not our job as a city

4368
05:25:51,145 --> 05:25:55,125
to me. We set the rules and that's it. And anything we do

4369
05:25:55,385 --> 05:25:58,765
to try to help somebody, yeah. I think we ought to spend the time helping

4370
05:26:00,185 --> 05:26:03,965
the, the single family guy that's just trying to build a shed in his backyard.

4371
05:26:04,705 --> 05:26:08,605
the big, big time developer. To me it's a rule. Send a picture. I didn't get your picture.

4372
05:26:09,585 --> 05:26:13,325
so you got bumped off the agenda or hey, you can come, but first thing we're

4373
05:26:13,605 --> 05:26:17,405
gonna say is you didn't have your sign, um, done and you didn't maintain it.

4374
05:26:17,725 --> 05:26:21,700
'cause one of them blew down. Yeah. And I've been in municipalities to where, where you get to drive by

4375
05:26:21,935 --> 05:26:25,565
every day and check the sign because if you got reported that your sign was stolen

4376
05:26:26,585 --> 05:26:30,445
or taken down, guess what? Greenville, south carolina, they pop you to

4377
05:26:30,605 --> 05:26:34,585
the next month. It's your problem, your jobs to put it in your jobs to

4378
05:26:35,045 --> 05:26:38,685
maintain it. To me, every time we put it on us, that's a thing where someone's

4379
05:26:39,325 --> 05:26:43,325
gonna say, you guys screwed up. And I'm like mm-hmm . No offense to these guys, they make too much

4380
05:26:43,445 --> 05:26:46,765
money to be worrying about signs. Again, in my opinion, the council may vote differently.

4381
05:26:47,665 --> 05:26:51,605
the developer, that dude needs to stay out there and if he has to, I almost had to

4382
05:26:51,725 --> 05:26:55,585
pitch a tent. I kid you not on this one site. 'cause the people kept pulling the sign down. So

4383
05:26:55,805 --> 05:26:59,805
I got permission to tape it inside the window of the building. That way they had to

4384
05:26:59,885 --> 05:27:03,545
bust out the glass to get to it. That was the city took the

4385
05:27:03,925 --> 05:27:07,545
position. That is not our problem. That's a you problem not an us figure

4386
05:27:07,965 --> 05:27:11,965
it out. Mm-hmm . But you don't want to see set a legal precedent that you're doing a favor. Then it turns around,

4387
05:27:12,665 --> 05:27:16,365
oh it looks like you should do be viewing this and you're held accountable. Yeah. The neighboring

4388
05:27:16,755 --> 05:27:20,425
communities, the developer has to go put the sign out there and take the photos. Yeah. Now

4389
05:27:21,265 --> 05:27:25,165
I'd be all in favor of us buying signs from the sign guy. We pay 10 bucks and charge

4390
05:27:25,435 --> 05:27:29,165
15 and we have a certain way they have to go. I mean like, uh, like

4391
05:27:29,485 --> 05:27:33,405
a detail in a construction document. Here's the certain poll. Yeah. That

4392
05:27:33,605 --> 05:27:37,455
sign's a hundred dollars sign. You better keep an eye. 'cause people sometimes steal those polls.

4393
05:27:37,805 --> 05:27:41,765
mm-hmm . It has to go up a certain way. Make sure you take a picture. 'cause if we don't have

4394
05:27:41,845 --> 05:27:45,805
a picture, the p and z, the first thing they're gonna do, make a motion to kick it to the next

4395
05:27:45,965 --> 05:27:49,805
month. I've seen it happen before. And then all of a sudden developers are now in our community

4396
05:27:50,165 --> 05:27:53,485
a lot more. They're paying a lot more attention. They're like, hey, these people aren't screwing around.

4397
05:27:54,385 --> 05:27:58,245
but again, I'm a little bit more hardcore because then they got everything signed. If they want it bad enough, they'll

4398
05:27:58,525 --> 05:28:02,085
do it. That's what I said. If they want it bad enough, they'll do it. I also make a suggestion,

4399
05:28:03,265 --> 05:28:06,965
uh, going back to the zeroscape that maybe we should go to texas a and m forestry

4400
05:28:07,745 --> 05:28:11,015
and we check with them, what do you need a plants are that we can plant

4401
05:28:11,755 --> 05:28:15,725
that will not die? And that go back to what our grandpas used to do.

4402
05:28:15,765 --> 05:28:19,625
here it is on side. So now what our suggested change is

4403
05:28:20,385 --> 05:28:24,245
not having all these trees and landscape and all that. It just refers back to the texas

4404
05:28:24,645 --> 05:28:28,165
a and m. That way is they update 'cause of the professionals. Our code automatically

4405
05:28:28,805 --> 05:28:31,945
updates that, that's what jim was alluding to. A lot of times we say,

4406
05:28:32,905 --> 05:28:36,765
hey, you have to do it this way. Which is what's in the engineering manual. Yep. Well then when

4407
05:28:36,925 --> 05:28:40,845
we adopt a new engineering, um, there's like, I don't know, six different

4408
05:28:41,165 --> 05:28:44,225
code books. They're all adopted as 20, 24 I believe. Mm-hmm . Um,

4409
05:28:45,425 --> 05:28:48,085
or you know, atlas 14. We just now reference

4410
05:28:49,445 --> 05:28:53,345
whatever the, whatever the terminology is that way, um, staff can

4411
05:28:53,565 --> 05:28:56,165
just go, nope, sorry, 2024 it says this or 2025.

4412
05:28:57,765 --> 05:29:01,605
'cause the fire chief gets on us for having old code. And so we bump that up real quick

4413
05:29:02,385 --> 05:29:06,325
and then people like the, like I'm not took on the isd but they're wanting to use like a

4414
05:29:06,445 --> 05:29:10,445
different, um, electrical code that's like six years old. And we're like,

4415
05:29:10,945 --> 05:29:14,865
no, it's 2024 and I don't have to tell you it is what it is. Um, so

4416
05:29:15,085 --> 05:29:18,665
yeah, that's what we kind of took into account. It's how do we do that to where um,

4417
05:29:19,745 --> 05:29:23,745
you know, people aren't out planting bradford pears, um, in our climate. Right. But

4418
05:29:23,965 --> 05:29:27,925
they're also not out trying to plant a tree. They're like, it's an exotic tree. It not gonna

4419
05:29:28,355 --> 05:29:32,025
live. Or it's invasive. I personally think we are banned.

4420
05:29:32,445 --> 05:29:36,365
banned, yes. But, uh, bradford pear trees, they're, they're an invasive

4421
05:29:36,485 --> 05:29:40,385
species. They need to be bamboo. No more bamboo. We got a, we got a city park that bamboo

4422
05:29:40,805 --> 05:29:44,725
all over it. So I don't know who planted that years ago they probably thought it was a good idea

4423
05:29:45,025 --> 05:29:48,865
and my god, but cost a million bucks. Bucks. They probably, they bloom in

4424
05:29:49,085 --> 05:29:53,045
the spring. They're pretty, that's all. They're good. But the texas a and m, the texas a and m

4425
05:29:53,125 --> 05:29:56,675
manual, like the a da regulations

4426
05:29:57,475 --> 05:30:01,445
like the atlas 14, all of these things we can

4427
05:30:01,655 --> 05:30:05,035
refer back to and yeah. Just say, hey, when,

4428
05:30:05,755 --> 05:30:09,645
when the fire code changes, we're going with the new fire

4429
05:30:09,845 --> 05:30:13,765
code. Mm-hmm . We don't have to spell it out. It saves us

4430
05:30:13,885 --> 05:30:16,955
money. Have updated it every time it changes. Yeah.

4431
05:30:17,955 --> 05:30:21,725
yeah. Less meetings. My hope is that, and what we're gonna see unintended consequences.

4432
05:30:23,115 --> 05:30:27,005
staff's gonna come up and say, hey, you guys thought this was a good idea? Here's why you don't wanna

4433
05:30:27,125 --> 05:30:30,895
do it that way. Mm-hmm . And I think two things I'd ask of everybody is one, don't

4434
05:30:31,245 --> 05:30:34,885
do a knee jerk reaction and wanna pass a bunch of code 'cause someone

4435
05:30:35,995 --> 05:30:39,965
skirted the deal. Because that's why code gets the way it is. Right. And then the second

4436
05:30:40,185 --> 05:30:44,085
one is when, when you do determine like, hey, this is actually a really big issue, we just need

4437
05:30:44,205 --> 05:30:47,895
to act quicker. Um, like our uh, parking issue. We've

4438
05:30:48,245 --> 05:30:52,245
been given, well we've been given tree variances and parking issues for eight years since I've

4439
05:30:52,525 --> 05:30:56,345
been on council. And I'm like, can we just fix the, you know, the dane code and

4440
05:30:56,565 --> 05:31:00,485
it's always yeah, we're gonna get on that. We don't always have to spend $400,000 to have a guy

4441
05:31:00,665 --> 05:31:04,525
go, here's how you fix your, um, your content variance issue when it comes to

4442
05:31:04,685 --> 05:31:08,115
parking. So yeah, as, as far as

4443
05:31:09,015 --> 05:31:12,975
the presentation and kind of q and a, that, that was my last one. I'm

4444
05:31:13,195 --> 05:31:16,945
good. Is kind of on the calendar and the, the pacing of this, it's,

4445
05:31:18,575 --> 05:31:22,555
that's kind of rough for four people who haven't looked at this

4446
05:31:22,995 --> 05:31:26,995
udc revision. I do it sooner than that, but I'd say we do a

4447
05:31:27,035 --> 05:31:30,995
quicker, that's my wife's due date, so I can't be here that day. Okay. Why then I say, you guys, you just

4448
05:31:31,115 --> 05:31:34,965
post an emergency meeting. Uh, do it. You got 72 hour notice, spend

4449
05:31:35,315 --> 05:31:39,235
a night, bring a cooler some sandwiches and just bang it out on a saturday and call

4450
05:31:39,475 --> 05:31:43,065
a day. I mean, what do you think? Let's do it. Which is good. Good

4451
05:31:43,495 --> 05:31:47,385
to me. I'm retired. I live here. I'm retired too. So I live

4452
05:31:47,755 --> 05:31:51,735
here. I mean, someone stole my cotton. There's gonna be problems. Not

4453
05:31:51,955 --> 05:31:55,755
forget about age. 'cause I did think someone said, said, hey, like, you guys are older than me.

4454
05:31:56,635 --> 05:32:00,595
I didn't think, I didn't think you guys, he was just as oldest. Probably the oldest oldest up here

4455
05:32:00,795 --> 05:32:04,755
in here. Okay. I'm probably the oldest one. I'm the youngest one about a lot.

4456
05:32:05,375 --> 05:32:08,955
so, but I do appreciate your guys' time going through this. I do appreciate

4457
05:32:09,485 --> 05:32:13,355
staff going through and um, doing all. And I think ultimately what we're gonna have

4458
05:32:13,515 --> 05:32:17,405
is, um, I think what we talked on council is we can have one o'clock

4459
05:32:18,275 --> 05:32:22,245
more developer friendly in some instances, but we won't be giving incentives. We'll be

4460
05:32:22,405 --> 05:32:26,325
hopefully charging more to do business in hu we'll be moving faster and we'll

4461
05:32:26,525 --> 05:32:30,255
get higher quality. Um, we're just going about it a little bit different than maybe

4462
05:32:30,605 --> 05:32:34,605
some other people do. Tony, it's bedtime, . Yeah, we

4463
05:32:34,765 --> 05:32:38,765
gotta go. I told you we can go until two or three. You guys done? Or you want some

4464
05:32:38,885 --> 05:32:42,845
more? We ain't done yet. . We, we still got off. We still

4465
05:32:43,005 --> 05:32:46,925
got stuff to do. Alright. Please don't, please don't run. But hopefully

4466
05:32:47,395 --> 05:32:51,325
it's fast. I'll get out here now. It won't run off. All right, tony. We're trained to go

4467
05:32:51,445 --> 05:32:55,325
to two or three o'clock in the morning. We're good. We're good. I know

4468
05:32:55,485 --> 05:32:59,195
you are, but I'm not. I'm old. All right. We're not military retired.

4469
05:33:00,265 --> 05:33:04,245
I'm 20 years older than you mike. Guys, calm down. So thank you for

4470
05:33:04,405 --> 05:33:07,835
the presentation. We're gonna move on to item seven. Development

4471
05:33:08,805 --> 05:33:12,805
services director report. You know what we should have done? Make a sign.

4472
05:33:14,435 --> 05:33:18,165
4.0. Keep it real, tony.

4473
05:33:18,585 --> 05:33:21,945
um, it's late. I'm not gonna drag this out. Um,

4474
05:33:22,915 --> 05:33:26,885
just the dates that we've mentioned today. Uh, everybody send me

4475
05:33:27,045 --> 05:33:30,685
an individual email and let me know what you think about. I know,

4476
05:33:31,065 --> 05:33:34,965
you know, if you want more time to look at the code, my directive since I

4477
05:33:35,085 --> 05:33:38,985
got here was move it and move it faster. It's been dragging on

4478
05:33:39,205 --> 05:33:43,205
like a nosebleed right. For months and months and months and months. And we need to get it done and done. And

4479
05:33:43,405 --> 05:33:47,365
I, you know, I worked with legal. We put a schedule together that would work. But if we're gonna

4480
05:33:47,485 --> 05:33:51,485
change it, let me know soon. 'cause that joint meeting resolution's may the seventh

4481
05:33:51,745 --> 05:33:55,265
and we're, they're gonna have to put a date on that, so we'll push it back. But

4482
05:33:56,035 --> 05:33:59,805
just let us know what you think. Um, otherwise the next time I see you in person

4483
05:34:00,115 --> 05:34:03,815
will be april the 20th. Drive fast and take chance. Let's

4484
05:34:04,165 --> 05:34:05,925
do it over it. All right. Um,

4485
05:34:08,275 --> 05:34:11,845
yeah. Uh, so I guess, yeah, we're done. It's fine. This, this calendar.

4486
05:34:12,995 --> 05:34:16,865
yeah, let's do it. You know, go ahead and email. Back it out the way. All right. Done. Uh,

4487
05:34:17,335 --> 05:34:21,125
let's see. Request for future agenda items. I don't think we have. I have a,

4488
05:34:21,565 --> 05:34:25,525
I have one. Oh, we do. All right. Yes. So I've spoken

4489
05:34:25,785 --> 05:34:29,485
to some of the city directors and had good conversations with about some information

4490
05:34:30,005 --> 05:34:33,865
I found out about it's, uh, part of the board that both howard

4491
05:34:34,305 --> 05:34:38,165
and I are part of the american planning association. And they sent me some information

4492
05:34:38,695 --> 05:34:42,425
about inclusion, about our neurodivergent, our

4493
05:34:42,965 --> 05:34:45,425
autistic community. Mm-hmm . Those all

4494
05:34:47,335 --> 05:34:51,245
we're not very inclusive of them in our community as far as some

4495
05:34:51,445 --> 05:34:54,505
things that we could do better. Okay. And

4496
05:34:55,545 --> 05:34:59,525
it doesn't cost a lot of money with what I have been given and done a

4497
05:34:59,645 --> 05:35:03,205
little research on. It's just some friendly reminders of things that we could do

4498
05:35:04,025 --> 05:35:07,825
and make it more safe for them. Make them feel safer in

4499
05:35:08,045 --> 05:35:11,945
the community. Okay. So you would like to have an

4500
05:35:12,165 --> 05:35:15,745
agenda item proposing, uh,

4501
05:35:17,255 --> 05:35:21,125
these inclusion mm-hmm . Where are we talking

4502
05:35:21,325 --> 05:35:25,165
about the udc or what are we talking about? Just, just a discussion and see what, you

4503
05:35:25,365 --> 05:35:28,925
know, p and c can talk about it. Okay. And then we can forward it up to council.

4504
05:35:29,475 --> 05:35:32,485
okay. Uh, would amenable

4505
05:35:33,625 --> 05:35:37,245
to inviting deib

4506
05:35:38,455 --> 05:35:42,195
chair and or members? Yes. I had a, had a long conversation with her. Okay,

4507
05:35:42,485 --> 05:35:45,595
good. About this. Good. And the lab, uh, library

4508
05:35:46,565 --> 05:35:49,255
director and talked to jeff. Okay. Uh, at parks.

4509
05:35:50,825 --> 05:35:54,605
so, uh, can we

4510
05:35:54,845 --> 05:35:57,405
add that for,

4511
05:35:59,525 --> 05:36:02,495
geez, that would be the may 7th, wouldn't it?

4512
05:36:03,715 --> 05:36:07,655
no, may 5th. May 5th. May 5th. Yeah. The, the next regularly scheduled meeting

4513
05:36:07,855 --> 05:36:10,775
would be may the fifth, but we could

4514
05:36:12,625 --> 05:36:16,155
still got some pretty heavy items, you know, on our immediate future.

4515
05:36:17,475 --> 05:36:21,435
so it don't have to be may 5th, we can push it back. It's just something I wanted to get on

4516
05:36:21,655 --> 05:36:24,895
the agenda that we could look at. Do you think june would be better?

4517
05:36:25,995 --> 05:36:29,775
yes. Right. Right now I say that not knowing how much

4518
05:36:30,095 --> 05:36:33,315
of what we have, we're gonna kick down the road and, and lengthen out. So,

4519
05:36:34,155 --> 05:36:38,135
but right, right now, plan for it. And it's the type of thing that it can roll

4520
05:36:38,745 --> 05:36:42,735
month to month if something comes up in june, but okay. And then gives us time to

4521
05:36:42,895 --> 05:36:46,155
reach out to some of those directors who have read over it and thought you saying, sir,

4522
05:36:49,015 --> 05:36:52,915
I just think it's very, very helpful. Yep. Uh, and you know, but

4523
05:36:53,375 --> 05:36:57,255
I don't know if you guys remember from that, uh, the, I call it the come

4524
05:36:57,415 --> 05:37:01,175
to jesus meeting we had on a saturday where all the boards are here. Oh yeah.

4525
05:37:01,555 --> 05:37:05,415
I'm very, very, very big on let's get input from

4526
05:37:05,655 --> 05:37:09,655
the other boards. Sure. Okay. So, uh, some of it

4527
05:37:10,135 --> 05:37:13,975
I support that it rings true with me. Uh, when I was healing from

4528
05:37:14,215 --> 05:37:17,905
my brain injury, I was, didn't feel safe going, leaving my house until

4529
05:37:18,295 --> 05:37:21,235
I got back home. So I couldn't find my way around. Wow. And

4530
05:37:22,335 --> 05:37:26,295
I, I know there's people out there, I see 'em and how they look and how they talk

4531
05:37:26,455 --> 05:37:29,855
and the way they walk. And let's do something about it.

4532
05:37:31,725 --> 05:37:33,615
city council thing. All right.

4533
05:37:35,955 --> 05:37:37,725
any other agenda items? Nope.

4534
05:37:42,405 --> 05:37:45,775
well then we'll move on to item nine, which is adjournment.

4535
05:37:46,555 --> 05:37:49,815
and we will adjourn this meeting on the 8th of april

4536
05:37:51,475 --> 05:37:52,715
at 12:46 am

4537
05:37:56,505 --> 05:37:59,145
thank y'all. Good night y'all. Stay tight night.