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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the September 2nd, 2026

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meeting of the Hide Park Planning Board.
Um, you'll notice on your screens that

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the uh public water ban has been lifted.
Please visit Duchess County website for

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more information on what to do or Hyde
Park uh should have it also up on their

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website. But the water has water ban has
been lifted. If you could now please

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stand with me and say the pledge of
allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Our first item on the agenda is a
continued public hearing for the

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Bellefield Phase 4 FDP condos. Come on
down, gentlemen.

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Good evening. Good [clears throat]
evening and thank you for having us back

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back tonight. Larry Budro with Belf,
Jared Okconor to my left and uh we're

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back to give the board an update. Um
>> before you uh get going, could I get a

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motion to open the public hearing?
>> So moved.

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» Second. All in favor, please say I.
>> I. I.

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» Thank you.

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» So, we were uh you know, working pretty
hard to get through all the comments and

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then the board issued some preliminary
conditions to approval and I believe,

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you know, there was a significant amount
of them and we plowed through all those.

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Of course, one of them was getting the
approval from the Roosevelt Fire

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Department and we did get some lastm
minute um comments that we wanted to,

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you know, uh, you know, get addressed
right away. We were fortunate to meet

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with Dan Nichols this morning uh at at
11:30 and thank you Don, you know, for

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helping with that and of course an um
thank you for being there and Tom Harvey

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was there. Uh Dan Nichols and Ryan were
both there and of course our team, you

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know, Tom Malroy was there. Um
he was uh glad to meet us and we had the

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architects LMV there, Tom and um and
Mike McCormack.

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Their uh issue was the egress out of the
buildings and as we showed it in the

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plans we submitted on August 18th show
the egress going into the courtyard.

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They didn't like that. Uh so uh it was a
really not hard to do. We just needed to

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understand that. Uh so now we
[clears throat] put the egress out

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towards the parking lot side of the
building. So we changed that. We um uh

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updated the plans and resubmitted it
back to him so he would be in a pos

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position to write an approval letter
back back and forth. Um uh the other

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thing we did for him is we removed the
retaining. Oh Jared, you probably show

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it.

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So we do have it here. We did uh include
it in the PowerPoint.

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But as as that comes up, the other thing
we did was you might remember there was

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a retaining wall uh on the on the east
and the north end of the courtyard and

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that was an accessibility issue for
them. So we took that out and we graded

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it down at 3:1. Uh the garage the wall
is already there with the parking

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garage. So we just sloped it right down.
>> And you put a stairway there.

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» Yeah. And a stair access. Where where is
this again?

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» Yeah, I'll show you when it comes up.

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» It's 3,3100
on the east end,

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» right?
>> Yep. Yep.

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» Yep.
>> Cynthy, what did you do?

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» It's loading.
>> Looks good.

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» A little temperamental tonight.
I think the other thing we did memory

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» and Dan had a concern with was the uh
pool house amenity was a little close to

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the actual residential building condo.
So um the architect said well we'll

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rotate it 90 and so he was happy with
that. Uh and then he wanted a note on

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the plan specifically referring to uh
NFPA13

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as a code requirement. We did look up
the code and it is required for the

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height of this building. So that we will
be sprinklering the buildings at NFPA

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NFPA13. So that note was added to the
cover sheet as note number 10. Uh, so I

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forward him an email with uh with uh a
note explaining all of that with the

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three attachments, the cover sheet,
grading, and layout plan. So I'll show

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you what we did here.

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I can then a good one.

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» That won't be won't be as clear.

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» Oh yeah, you can't there. There you go.
So stair egress here. We added this this

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right here. So now you can come out the
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not the courtyard.
So, one here, one here, one here, one

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here.

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This this wall was taken out
and uh you'll see in the grading plan we

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added the stairs
to get out. This uh we rotated it 90°

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and we had to go from 40 to 35 ft in
order to work with the grade. So this is

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a lot more room in between the buildings
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Oops.

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Same thing here. This wall was taken
out. Stair access down. And this was

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rotated 90 to give more room between the
buildings. And we added egress here,

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here,
there, and there. and Jared will get us

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to the grading plan, but um uh we had to
make sure all the grades work. So, we

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went to the grading plan, put the spot
grades on, made sure everything worked.

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» It it Larry, is it ADA now through the
structure? Is that is that how how does

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a handicap get into there without
accessing those stairs on the

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» uh which structure?
>> On on your on that structure there? You

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see you see the courtyard?
>> Yeah. Now you have the stairs, right?

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» So, so they would access it through the
building. Is that correct?

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» Yes. Okay. I just
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me grab that. The way this lobby works,
the lobby is 2 feet above the uh garage

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elevation and uh we provided the the uh
floor plan of that um layout. But the

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two feet there then there's elevator
access to it and you go up to whatever

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floor you want and
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» but yeah you would not be able to do
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That was one of the concerns
uh Dan had was uh you know how does he

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get you know to this courtyard you know
uh up this stair tower coming up some 12

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feet up here with all their equipment
that kind of stuff. So, this this was a

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a valid concern. We had to know what it
was and we addressed it. So, here's the

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grading plan. We had to work with the
grades a little bit. We had to pull this

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back a little bit to get that guy in.
Um, same thing here.

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Now, he also had some comment, wasn't
it, about the stair tower it from the

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from the garage level and reworking that
ramp or

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» Well, his his concern was if there was a
fire in the garage, he didn't want the

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smoke going up the stair to
the stair tower that goes out has no

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access to the garage.
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Okay.
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» Separate. Okay, good.
So, uh we made progress on that and uh

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he was very helpful in saying, you know,
what do I need to do um you know to help

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move this forward and so I think uh I
think that box will be checked.

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Couple other things to give the board an
update. We did receive REIA comments. Uh

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we're working through them. comments
seven and nine. You know, of the 20

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three uh 23 original comments, um we're
we've addressed

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most of them. I've seen personally seven
and nine are addressed. Uh we have 13,

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16, 17, and 21 to complete. I just got a
text message that they're, you know,

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they're basically done. Um the last
comment 23

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uh and I'll just read it here uh remains
Bellefield it said the uh in uh building

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inspector zoning administrator town
engineer should agree on the

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requirements for the building permit and
CO occupancy. So this refers to the CO

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occupancy phasing plan and for each of
those phasing plans we're saying what

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has to be in place
>> in order you know to get the CO and the

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comment says that the zoning
administrator town engineer should agree

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on it. So um
you know that we would need a response

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from from them

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and we can follow up.
>> Right. The four the four parties need to

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get together.
>> We'll follow up with them.

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Um Larry, I did just want to note that
um comment 15 was not turned red, but it

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is also a remaining comment and was not
addressed. It's in black.

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» Oh, yeah. Okay.
>> All right. Just want to highlight that.

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» Yeah. Okay.

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All right. Um the interpretive plan we'd
like to go over. Um

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the interpretive plan we presented it to
um the intent was it to establish the

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design intent of the interpretive you
know features. So you can go to that

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» um an interpretive plan meaning
>> the the the around the pond

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» sheet C1
>> the recreation.

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» Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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So, the idea is that we're presenting to
the board. Um, you know, our intent, uh,

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I think there's like almost 20 different
different design elements. Um some are

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repeated,
but um the uh we met with Dylan

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yesterday and the idea was you know how
does this work at at you know final

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approval and so we were working through
that today and we have some thoughts and

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we'll go through them. I'll go through
the big picture. Jared can go through

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some of the details, but the idea is
that you know the plan being presented

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is um
is our design intent for what we want to

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do. Uh the final design elements would
the idea we're thinking the final design

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elements would be approved by staff and
installed prior to the co. So what we

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would do is uh tie a certain number of
elements. We say in the note on the

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upper left that three or four of the
interpretive elements would be required

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to be in per CO and you take three * 4
and that's 12 of course or four * 4 is

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16. So we'll capture all the the uh
design elements within the there's

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there's four cos right one no two three
four five six six six cos right so 6 * 3

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is 18 6 * 4 is 24 so it's three to four
elements per co

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» then we so because we're not going to
build the whole thing at once right

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» and only have 30 people there right so
the idea is to sequence it with the co

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beef it up as you go.
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on on sequencing it and we can share
that. But the idea would be obviously

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for building 30,000
we the pond would be in the trail around

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the pond would be done. The stone tower
park would be done. So all those

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elements would be done and then in the
next co we'll come up with another list

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and that kind of thing.
So I think we can confidently provide

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the list of what would be done on the
first CO. Now

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» yes, oh sorry,
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provide a list that confidently says
what we can deliver uh for the first CO

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» because a lot of the earth work has to
happen for the pond. Makes sense to put

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in the trails.
>> Some of your larger elements will have

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to have been in place.
>> Exactly. Because we don't have to go

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back and try to do that when the other
buildings are being done. So, but then

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once we move beyond that, um, we've got
some thoughts on trying to give us some

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flexibility to deliver certain elements
that meet the intent of what we're

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showing here. So,
>> can I after I was thinking about this

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after we met yesterday, um, and I I
wonder if you could say a little more

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like I'm it surprises me as I think
about it, how much uncertainty you have

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about like what space you're going to
have or what things are going to look

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like when you're done. Can you talk a
little like I'm accustomed to seeing in

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the plan that you've you know what's
going to happen in enough detail that

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you're able to site a playground piece
of playground equipment, right? So why

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isn't that the the case with with this
particular piece of property in this

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project?
Well, the uh you know the whole thing

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with Bellefield is you know when we were
doing this trail by the by the uh uh

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hotel, right? We show it on plan, but
when we actually were doing it out in

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the field, you know, we were working
more with the contours, with the rocks

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that are there, with the trees that are
there. So, uh, we need that flexibility

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to I mean, we could show the trail, we
could show the playground feature, but

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we I I believe we need the flexibility
to work with what's actually out there.

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Uh, the trees, the rock outcrops, or
whatever else we may find. Um, that was

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what we were
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a concept plan or when looking at the
whole property, but when we get into

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this scale and this level of detail for
a site plan, uh, you know,

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shouldn't we have a sense of where the
trees are and actually have it kind of

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mapped out a little more clearly,
cleanly?

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» Well, well, when I say trees, I'm
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» a bunch of trees. Well, u you know, a
nice sycamore that doesn't show up on an

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aerial, you know, that you want to pop
around, you know, that kind of thing.

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» A rockout crop that doesn't show up on
the on the topo. Uh and that's what we

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did with that trail. We worked around
some rockout crops and stuff like that.

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Um
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play. Yeah.
>> As you as you as you dig out the pond,

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your things might not be what you
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» That's the idea. Um but this will be um
as we were speaking yesterday the final

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design element the idea I mean like a
bench you know how

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you know we'll show the detail what
we're going to do and we'll show where

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» after the pond is is built we'll have a
really good idea where that thing would

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fit and so then we can site it you know
specifically like that. So, we're

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committing to however many bench benches
we have in there, you know, we'll we'll

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show up. Um,
I I really like having uh I used to do a

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lot of golf courses, right? So, when you
do a golf course, you lay it out on

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plan, but it's all done in the field.
You know, you're working with the

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contours, you're moving things around,
and that's kind of what, you know, what

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I see here. But we're identifying
specifically, you know, ideas that that

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we're going going to put out there. Um,
you know, so it's not, you know, I mean,

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like that bench there, we want to have a
natural,

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you know, kind of wood type bench. So,
[cough] will be there. It will be,

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it'll be in the area of the location
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little left or right of it or
>> So, Larry, if I'm understanding

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correctly, you're you since you've done
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you're gonna you're going to it's it's
fine on paper, but as you get out into

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the field, you might come across
something naturally beautiful that you

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don't want to the bench is going to sit
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take it out and remove it. You you could
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of both worlds. That's your intention is
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you're presenting.
>> Yes,

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» that's correct.
>> Yes.

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» Okay,
>> that's the idea.

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» Well, the the other issue I think you
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[clears throat] so thick,
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» from the topo maps, you're not seeing a
lot of the elements that are within the

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site. So, as you start uh grubbing the
understory and cleaning that all out,

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you're talking about large scale
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So, as you build that landscape, you'll
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designers will look at it and go, "It
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better here."
>> And as you build the pond,

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» Yeah.
>> everything's going to mirror off of that

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pond.
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these things here, um, the gazebo, the
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today, but, uh, where is the best spot
for the dock? You know, that's going to

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go out in the water. We show it there to
the right. Yeah, right there. We show it

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there, but actually when we get the pond
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little bit. So,
>> or angle it or something.

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» Angle it. Angle it. And there are some
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is very steep on the slope. And so when
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is the trail actually going to look like
for that section, that might spark more

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ideas on what else might make sense to
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there's other elements we want to put
there. So that's those are like the

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level of details that we don't have now,
but we're committing to, you know, go

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through and do that work.
>> That answers my question. Thank you.

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» Yeah. and and and these items lend
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know. So that's why it
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here, I think the the only concern would
be that by staging it um we won't see

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some of these elements. So as long as
there is a list to have flexibility to

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be able to work them into the landscape
in the proper way sounds fantastic. as

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long as we still retain all of the
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» I I think we're gonna be a little
careful with the wording here, too. This

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this has the potential to be kind of
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not. And that's our job, not staff's
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subjective
>> well I think the board has also been

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very clear on some of the items that
they want to see like they want to see a

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grouping of some of these recreational
equipments together rather than all all

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spread out oneonone. So if we can get
the wording in there that says that

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there is at least one place where
there's multiple recreation structures

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then that carries through what the board
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» without you actually having to say,
"Well, it's going to go exactly here."

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» Yeah. And and I do agree, you know, with
with that. Um

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» so So there is um a condition that
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looking at interpretive trails and and
adding additional um equipment, it said

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to the satisfaction of the planner. But
I really think that should all be

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revised and it really should be. I think
to your point this is conceptual and

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just maybe at another date you can come
back with you know ha have the list as

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you say but then once you're really out
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I'm sure a good chunk of what's showing
is park is going to be graded so you'll

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have I think you know a little bit
better of a canvas to figure out where

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you're going to put things you know so
for example there was there there was a

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swing set and I think the group had said
we want more equipment. So I saw one

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additional swing set but I don't know
that that's I don't think I'm the one

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that would say that's adequate. I think
you all have to say this is appropriate

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for a park that's serving this area.
>> Right. Well, and I think we've been

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specific in asking for an actual
>> playground area.

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» Yeah. where you have multiple options,
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» for multiple ages to play fairly close
by to each other so that

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» mom's not chasing after
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. And and I think that's just
something that's going to work itself

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out. So, it's it's almost better. Okay.
you show conceptually,

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» you can get a park and trails in and
then just come back um once you've

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started the construction to nail down ex
exactly the program that you think is

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» appropriate for this area.
>> So, how would that be worded on a

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resolution?
>> Yeah, we have to change that. [laughter]

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» I'm going to Henry will take care of
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» I'm going to take a shot at it. I'll
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in as he [clears throat] always does.
[laughter] Yeah.

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» Uh final design design elements must be
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installed prior to CO
>> building.

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» So maybe we be we become specific about
which COS, right?

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» Yes. And that
>> a schedule of that with so once you

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develop their schedule
>> like like you said at the very first one

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we're going to have all of the you will
have had all of these elements that have

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to be in place
>> as you do 3,000.

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» Yes. included in that might be the first
round of the recreation area.

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» Yeah.
>> Spelled out.

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» Yeah. As Jared said, we we have a pretty
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30,000. That's the
>> So, just to understand kind of

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mechanically what this would mean, is
this a condition to the site plan

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approval for the whole phase or it's a
condition that applies in post site plan

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in the construction phase? you you
pretty clearly need it or want certainly

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want it to be not a condition of site
plan. Correct. You need the site plan

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approved forward. So that's just what
we're talking

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» but just as we're talking about the
phasing so that you can finish one

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element of the site plan and get a co so
you don't have to have everything in

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place. This would work its way into
that. I think once those building

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locations are tagged and set where they
are and then the trail the pond goes in

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and the trail goes around it, you're
it's going to answer its own questions.

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It's going to fall
once those buildings are staked and

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pinned and cleared and then the pond is
in.

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» We want to get the pond done by the end
of the year so that baby's, you know,

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up.
>> Just what what what sort of technical

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mechanism are we talking about here? It
would be nice if it's not like a full

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amended site plan, right? If it's
>> now we phase 4 a

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» for pond.
>> Yep.

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» Maybe it's all attached to a 4A.
>> Is that

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» if is that a a way of handling it? If
it's attached to that as a separate

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heading,
>> would that hold up?

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» It has to be on this one. Okay.
>> Well, I think we'll figure out the

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mechanism.
>> Yeah. And then the other advantage is

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just once you started grading and some
trees etc. Even the planning board could

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go out there and and with you and then
say all right this is a perfect location

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for XYZ.
>> So again I think there should be some

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conceptual expectations
of what you're going to put there and at

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least maybe yeah some preliminary
quantities lists. So you've you've

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already expanded it immensely since we
first talked to you by talking about the

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number of elements and you know instead
of just saying yeah exactly. So now

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you're talking about 18 different
>> we can detail this a little bit more by

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uh at least identifying for the first co
what to do then the others we can put a

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number on it.
>> Yep.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. to be determined. But um I like

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that approach.
>> And it may be that by the time you're

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getting your first CEO, things are
grubbed and cleared and things and you

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sort of have an idea and come back for
all of the approvals for us. You don't

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have to come back every every time or
anything. Right.

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» Right. Um Yeah. And it'll still be tied
to the CEO, but it'll be approved.

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» Correct. Right.
And and of course there's certain items

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in landscaping and probably recreation
that are movable,

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» right? And that that our zoning administ
she may deem some of these things as

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dimminimous.
>> Okay.

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» So, you know, we I heard terms like we
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say something like that is dimminimous
>> anyway. Um, we're just like if we if you

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drew a big circle and said this is where
we're going to put a huge group of of

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elements and then you go in you're like
oh no now we got to shift it over you

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know 250 ft. That starts changing the
whole lay of the land.

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» Mhm.
>> So I think I think we're

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» sounding like we're all singing to the
same tune at this point.

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» Yeah. Well, we agree with that.
>> Cool. All right. Okay.

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The um
so the question I have to the board is

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we made changes to the plan because of
the fire chief. So we have those we

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issued those to the fire chief and I did
copy you and Cynthia

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» and he said he's going to be preparing
uh like his official response

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» that would say comment 15 has been
addressed and

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» that he has no other concerns.
>> Right. Do you want us to resubmit the

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set um
for u the 16th, you know, with the

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updated fire chief's comments in there?
And and and we have most of the rena

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comments done.
>> I imagine there also been any new

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elevations for the amenity building
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» flipped. That's all been flipped.
>> And in order to have done that, you

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would have had to submit yesterday,
right?

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» Um I mean, you guys are It's up to you
obviously. Um,

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» well, I would also remind that you're
out next week, so

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» I am out next week. Um, but I would
imagine the board needs to especially

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see this sheet so that you can approve
the kind and quantity of the recreation

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that then would be dealt with in some
kind of phase.

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» Well, this this sheet was submitted.
>> So, this is so Yeah, I mean, I guess if

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the question is, do we want a whole
brand new site plan set? Well, I'm

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asking you what do you want in
>> she is is it five sheets have changed?

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» You might also the changes for the fire
department those egress go right out

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into the landscaping currently.
>> Oh yeah. Definitely

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updated the
>> landscaping. So it's it's pretty

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intense. I mean to
>> Well, um it would be the uh cover sheet,

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site plan.
Yeah. Or layout, grading, landscape,

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» elevation. um this sheet because we'll
uh provide a little bit more I [snorts]

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think five sheets

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» and then that just we're not there's
going to be some conditions right

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» on the 16 we'll get most of them
>> whatever you submit is not going to be

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what gets signed
>> yeah yeah most of them will be addressed

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» including the fire department
>> right

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» I would suggest doing getting the board
or at least the file

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any altered sheets and then I would do a
digital set of the entire set and then

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on the table of contents indicate the
sheets that

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» which have been updated [laughter] but
make it an inclusive set digitally of

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all of the sheets
>> all of the ones that have changed so the

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board can
>> that makes sense those

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» sorry printed printed of the ones that
are changed and digital of everything

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» digital of everything can embed and all
the sheets that are altered and then

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ghost
>> and then five physical copies

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» in the digital set. So at any given time
they have a full set of all the sheets.

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» And if I may, I mean, don't kill
yourself, Larry, cuz you may have to

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change these things a little bit like
this amenity with just the stairs and no

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ramp for ADA strollers or anything like
that. I don't

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» It's It's tofi great change.
>> Just be prepared. So, we have ad access

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into the [clears throat] lobby. And then
>> I I get that. I understand. But it's

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supposed to, you know, be the same for
everyone and so you may get some push

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back and you might have to edit a little
bit. So, don't kill yourself on this set

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until you get approvals
>> because as you saw from your the comment

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letters that have come through, the 60
plus conditions have been we're down to

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manageable numbers. Now,
>> are you intending to update the lighting

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plan or are you going to address that as
a condition?

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» Oh,
>> because you're going to have exits now

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where you didn't have
>> and there are

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» we'll add those.
>> Bonnie had a a comment that that um

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there are some there are uh inaccuracies
on the lighting plan. There's it looks

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like it maybe some fixtures got updated,
but the photometrics didn't. It doesn't

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quite line up.
>> That's already a condition.

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» No. So, I'll send you Larry. What I did
was I went through

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» more comments.
>> So, I went through the resolution and

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where all my comments were embedded so
that I could say addressed so we could

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take it off or and there were some that
there were still some questions and one

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of them for example is where the
dumpster is as an example uh top right

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» by 3,300. The dumpster for 3,300.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> 3300. There was a fixture there. So you

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have that you have those kind of foot
candles.

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» Yeah, there's a fixture here.
>> There used to be one there, right? And

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now it moved. So it's not a So there's
something off.

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» Yeah, that's that's clearly off.
>> Yeah. So So I think

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00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,279
» the courtyard seemed funny, too.
>> And the court and the other thing is I

412
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,960
think the way the courtyards at least
you have it set up right now is I

413
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,480
believe the only lighting.
>> Yeah, we didn't put any lighting in

414
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,760
there. Uh we'll put some lighting in
there. Yeah, ballards, whatever you

415
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:55,279
want. But it's just I don't know that
you're really going to not have any

416
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:58,799
lighting in the in the courtyard in the
evening.

417
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,080
» I think I saw like a 14t candle level
underneath one of those lights in the

418
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,559
courtyard, too.
>> I know. I [laughter] I didn't think it

419
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,079
might be.
>> I didn't think that was the sun.

420
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:11,200
» The sun, [laughter]
>> you know. Also, the pool the pool being

421
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,000
lit, right?
>> The pool will have to be lit to a

422
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,879
certain degree, right? If it's
>> Yeah. I mean, unless you're covering it.

423
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:22,560
I that's actually worth checking in with
the health department about that because

424
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:25,599
they have got requirements for
>> for lighting up

425
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:31,119
» lighting on swimming pools.
>> Yeah. Um this doesn't approve the

426
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,560
swimming pool. This has to go to the
health department. Is

427
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:37,520
» Sure. But if they come back and say I I
think they their requirements are like

428
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:38,960
30 foot candles or something over
swimming pools.

429
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:42,923
» Oh lord.
>> They want 30.

430
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:46,079
» They're really heavy cuz Yeah. So it's
[laughter]

431
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,800
» but you're gonna have lights in the
pool. You're gonna have all kinds of

432
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:54,240
things. It's gonna be reflective.
>> There's all that. Um but again that's a

433
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:57,520
you know would be a health department
separate if it ends up significantly

434
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:00,320
changing a lot.
>> Yeah. But I think Cynthia's got the the

435
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,680
right approach.
>> Yes.

436
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,560
» The sheets that change to show the
change that we discussed with the fire

437
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,079
department
>> that helps their conditions to go away.

438
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:17,200
bring those out and then we're going to
still have conditions

439
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,440
» that will need to be met. Lighting is an
excellent example.

440
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,119
» Um,
>> yeah, that's that's that's fine.

441
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,200
» I'll send you my comments. I don't know
that you're going to want to deal with

442
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,760
them.
>> Crazy doing the lighting plan because I

443
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,359
wouldn't go crazy adjusting the lighting
plan because you're going to have to

444
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,960
readjust.
>> It's going to be a condition anyway. So,

445
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,359
» yeah, that's fine. Uh, the main thing I
want to get off is the fire department.

446
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,000
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Yes. All the others are will

447
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:46,359
manage here.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um

448
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,599
» Okay, great. Terrific. Um so we know
what we need to do. Uh anything else,

449
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Jar?
>> That covers it.

450
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,400
» I think it covers it. Again, thank you
for having us

451
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,854
» here and we'll adjourn to the 16th.
>> To do their

452
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,854
» Oh, right. So, [laughter]

453
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,960
» is there anybody here? Is there anybody
here in from the public who would like

454
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:15,520
to speak to this application?
>> Right.

455
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:20,000
» If not, may I get a motion to adjourn
the public hearing to [clears throat]

456
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,680
what do we say? September 16th.
>> 16th. Yeah.

457
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880
» September 16th.
>> Yeah.

458
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,119
» So moved.
>> Second.

459
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,079
» All in favor, please say I.
>> I.

460
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,560
» I.
>> Motion carries.

461
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,760
» I just want to know where's the ferris
wheel going to go.

462
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,599
» Oh, that could be cool.
>> Yeah. Midway. So this mountain

463
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:38,880
» right on the overlook.
>> When we get it all cleared and ready,

464
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,680
you come on out, pick a spot.
>> There you go.

465
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,800
» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you, Larry.

466
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,800
» Guys, have a great night.

467
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,240
» There are no more public hearings
scheduled for the evening. We're going

468
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:58,800
into workshop. Our next item on the
agenda is the Goran timber harvest

469
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:03,599
application. It is not 5 after 12. It is
6:36

470
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,599
now, right?

471
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:07,080
» [clears throat]

472
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,599
» Good evening.
>> Good evening.

473
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:22,160
» Good evening. Um my name is Christopher
Apprentice with Lower Hudson Forestry

474
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:32,800
Services. Uh here representing uh the
Goran Trust uh for Timber Harvest at uh

475
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:35,800
959 Violet Avenue. Um parcel is uh
6164-01-458755.

476
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:48,720
Um totals 175.76 acres uh of which we're
proposing uh commercial timber harvest

477
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:56,480
on 90 of those acres. Um property has
been managed uh under DC approved um 48A

478
00:37:53,200 --> 00:38:03,280
forest management plan since 1982.
um has been harvested uh numerous times

479
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:10,079
over the years um and we are just
continuing with the um management plan

480
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:15,520
that was approved um back in 2023.
Um trees to be harvested uh mix of

481
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:21,760
hardwood and softwood all marked by a
certified forester with blue paint. Uh

482
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:30,400
there's 1438 trees uh across the 90
acres to be harvested. It averages about

483
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:37,520
16 trees per acre. Um the plan is to um
lop all the tops uh down to 3 ft high or

484
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:41,359
lower. Uh helps with the uh breakdown um
and deterioration of the uh the slash

485
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:46,800
that's left behind.
um erosion control plan is uh will be

486
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:53,040
following the state's best management
practices for timber harvesting. Most of

487
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:58,960
the topography is very flat rolling. Um
so slopes are not really a concern. Um

488
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:04,240
but anywhere there are trails and
there's numerous old trails left from

489
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:10,079
the previous harvests. um they will be
smoothed um free of debris and uh any

490
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:17,920
erosion control devices will be
installed as necessary. Uh there is a

491
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:24,160
DEC classified stream and wetlands um in
the application packet. We've gotten the

492
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:32,000
approval for a DEC um stream crossing
and wetland um crossing permit. Uh we'll

493
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:38,560
be crossing with um wooden crane mats.
uh approximately 100 foot uh section of

494
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:43,572
the the wetland and the stream. Um that
crossing will then be removed at the

495
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:48,960
completion of the uh uh the process and
[clears throat] um it will be restored

496
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:55,920
back to what it is currently. Um there's
also uh DC um rare threatened endangered

497
00:39:52,880 --> 00:40:01,839
species, the uh Blandings turtle. So,
uh, there's a letter in the application

498
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:05,680
that, uh, the DEC's provided for, um,
seasonal restrictions. They'll

499
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:12,560
basically, uh, only allow us to harvest
between October 16th and April 14th. Um,

500
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:17,839
there is also a letter from the New York
State Parks, Recreation, Historical

501
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:23,359
Preservation. Um, the property did get a
hit on the, uh, EF mapper for being in a

502
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:29,440
potential historic or archaeological
sensitive site. Um the letter states

503
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:34,000
that this project won't have any u uh
bearing on anything that they have

504
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:38,000
found. Um access to the property is
going to be off of State Route 9G.

505
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:43,520
There's a pre-existing old abandoned
orchard that's there. Um there's two old

506
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:49,200
breaks in the stone wall that were used
for access to the orchard. Um what we

507
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:53,920
plan on doing is um putting in a
tracking pad um to prevent mud and

508
00:40:52,079 --> 00:41:00,800
debris from entering onto the highway.
Um, I did speak with the DOT, uh, Tina

509
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Riley. She sent me an email that I can
present. Um, but basically, um,

510
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:13,920
since we don't have a contractor yet, I
can't apply for a DOT temporary access

511
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:19,200
permit because of the bonds and
insurance. But, um, I can give you this.

512
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:23,280
Basically, it says that, uh, let the
planning board know that we don't have

513
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:29,040
any objections to this type of work. uh
and you know an application can be put

514
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:35,440
in once a contractor is found. Um
so um I know that visuals was a big um

515
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:44,000
item because this is a special use
permit. Um the harvest is actually um a

516
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:49,920
long ways from the the state highway. Um
you know 800 feet is as close as it

517
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:57,839
comes. um more of the property is over
1,000 ft past um the the the Route 9J.

518
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:02,720
So, um aesthetically, no one's really
going to notice that it's what's going

519
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:08,160
on back there. Um there's a few houses
um that the harvest will be near, but um

520
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:14,800
I visually I don't think that will
impact them at all. Um the hope is that

521
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:18,800
you know with weather um cooperating
that it would take approximately three

522
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:24,319
three and a half months to complete the
the process. Um you know if we couldn't

523
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:30,000
finish before the April 14th deadline
then um obviously we would have to come

524
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:34,000
back the following year. Um I think
that's all I have.

525
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:38,880
» Thank you very much. Very thorough and I
know you've been working really closely

526
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:43,599
uh with Tad on this. Yeah.
>> Excellent. All right. I'm going to Let's

527
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:48,319
see.
Miss Bonnie, any questions on this?

528
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:51,200
» No, I do not. Thank you, [clears throat]
>> Mr. Renia.

529
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,839
» No comments,
>> Mr. Hensman.

530
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,359
» I was just going to confirm that you
will get with the zoning administrator

531
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:02,960
to figure out what sheets to include in
the site plan application.

532
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,160
» Uh, yes. Okay.
>> Thank you,

533
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,720
Mr. Tuttle.
>> No comments. Thank you,

534
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:15,359
» Mr. Waters. I
>> I just had a question for interest. Uh

535
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:20,319
what what happens to the harvest? Is
that up to the contractor yourself? What

536
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:25,440
what does the wood is it stay in the
community? Is it forest? Is it broken

537
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:29,520
down into lumber, timber since it's
hardwoods and stuff? I I just wanted to

538
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,240
know, do you know how that process
works?

539
00:43:30,204 --> 00:43:34,160
» [clears throat]
>> Um

540
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:38,160
the lower grade firewood and stuff like
that more likely than not would stay in

541
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,560
the community. And I mean when I say
community, Duchess County,

542
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,880
» Duchess,
>> um soft wood more likely than not goes

543
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:51,520
to Canada.
>> Um hardwood kind of average grade will

544
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,599
probably stay somewhere in New York.
Higher grade,

545
00:43:53,839 --> 00:44:03,920
» um China,
>> wherever the market is. um Japan, Korea,

546
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:08,640
it's a pretty worldwide uh uh you know
process. So

547
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,520
» um surprisingly, you know, round logs
get stuffed into rectangular shipping

548
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:18,160
containers and put on boats and they go
across the world. So um that's where a

549
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,400
lot of uh of wood from New York goes
now.

550
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,240
» Wow.
>> Just wanted to know.

551
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,240
» Excellent question.
>> Good good question.

552
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,680
» Yeah. Thank you,
>> Mr. Ve. Uh, no comment,

553
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,119
» Mr. Oliver.
>> No comments.

554
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:33,680
» Miss Lee,
>> no comments. Thank you.

555
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:39,040
» Um, I guess my only question is did you
that uh letter that you just pointed out

556
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:42,560
from did that get sent over to the
planning office?

557
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:44,880
» No, I have just gotten it. So,
>> okay. If you could forward that over to

558
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Cynthia, that would be great.
>> Okay.

559
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:53,440
» Just add that to your file.
>> Okay. Um, so we do have a resolution

560
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,960
tonight to classify the project and
circulate to the agencies that need to

561
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,599
be circulated to. Uh, Mr. Tuttle, I
believe you have this one.

562
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,800
» I do.
Resolution to classify project and

563
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:11,280
circulate to Duchess County Planning and
Development. Goran Timber Harvest,

564
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:15,040
September 2nd, 2026. Resolution 2026-26.
Whereas, whereas, whereas

565
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,240
Now therefore, be it resolved that the
planning board hereby classifies the

566
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:23,599
project as an unlisted action under
seeker and determines to conduct an

567
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,319
uncoordinated review. Be it further
resolved that the planning board directs

568
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,800
the secretary to refer the project to
the Duchess County Department of

569
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Planning and Development pursuant to
section 239M of the general municipal

570
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,880
law. Be it further resolved that the
planning board directs the secretary to

571
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:41,119
send a courtesy referral to the New York
State Department of Transportation.

572
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,200
» Second. Is there any discussion? All in
favor, please say I.

573
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,680
» I.
>> Any nays or abstensions? Motion carries

574
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:52,119
unanimously.
>> Thank you for coming out tonight.

575
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,119
» Thank you.

576
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,160
» We need to set a public hearing. Sorry.
>> Set a public hearing.

577
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,880
» May I get a motion to set a public
hearing for September 16th?

578
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,880
» I'll make that motion.
>> Second.

579
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,680
» All in favor, please say I.
>> I.

580
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,319
» I.
>> There you go. Now you're all set.

581
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:08,720
» Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you for the uh update

582
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,319
on what happens to it. That's It's
important to know that. Yeah.

583
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,079
» Thank you.
>> It is.

584
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,720
» I will see you in a few weeks.
>> Thank you.

585
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,440
» Got it.
>> Thank you.

586
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,480
» Have a good night.
>> You too.

587
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:25,520
» Our next item on the agenda is uh other
business with the CIA hotel and villas.

588
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:32,240
Uh they are looking to do a phase three
recovery plan study uh on their site to

589
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:38,560
see if it's uh usable for expanded
villas and um other items on their site

590
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,839
plan.
This is uh just an authorization that

591
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:50,680
would allow them to do just just the
study and

592
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,680
see am I missing anything?

593
00:46:53,200 --> 00:47:00,800
» Bonnie, do you have any input on this?
>> Yes. So, we're we're literally

594
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:05,839
talking about this trying to sort it
out. So, so this is a recovery plan.

595
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:11,040
We're saying we're authorizing a
recovery plan. the recovery plan results

596
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:17,040
in disturbance. So on the one hand it's
a mitigation but on the other hand

597
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:23,040
you're disturbing you know 8 acres of
the site that wasn't accounted for in

598
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:27,440
seeker. So I was just looking at this to
see if there was any you know paragraph

599
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:33,520
that says something to the effective and
we find that this isn't a significant

600
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:38,000
impact. Um,
>> yeah, if we could just to add some kind

601
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:43,040
of sentence that you're
cognizant that

602
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,960
this this has implications from a secret
perspective, too.

603
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:50,400
» I think that's a fine idea. I think we
can have that absolutely significant

604
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:54,640
that it won't affect the prior
>> Yeah. that that it's that it's not

605
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:58,160
right. And ultimately, it is a recovery
plan. And it's a it's a type of

606
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,599
mitigation, but the fact that they're
going to be cutting into this area and

607
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,160
digging it out is also a disturbance.
So, just if we could put some wording in

608
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,119
there.
>> Yeah.

609
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:13,920
» Can we collectively come up with a uh a
sentence or so to put in there?

610
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:18,319
» Um,
reference the last

611
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:24,559
reaffirmation
resolution date.

612
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:28,800
» Oh, right. Um
>> where something like whereas the

613
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:34,640
planning board acknowledges
that this will this may result in

614
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:42,240
additional.8
acres of disturbance

615
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:46,880
that comma period. However,
the recovery plan is a form of

616
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:52,559
mitigation
and the planning board finds it won't

617
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:59,280
result in a significant adverse impact.
>> So, to be clear, um what's being

618
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:02,480
approved here
is a phase three

619
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,880
» recovery plan
>> plan.

620
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,319
So they
>> a data recovery plan

621
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:11,599
» they are
>> what what what is the scope of work

622
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,800
exactly that's entailed in that? Are
they are they going to dig out the

623
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,979
entirety of that 8 acres? Are they doing
>> a grid pattern? Right. They do a grid

624
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:26,000
pattern and they right they they dig
[clears throat] up shovel holes every

625
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:32,160
» and to a point where I I for in my brain
I recall that there might be some

626
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:37,200
percentage that they have to dig up 60%
or whatever may have been there and

627
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:43,280
collect it. Um and then there's a whole
process of cataloging it

628
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:47,920
» putting it in a museum etc etc. But but
so it's an archaeological in

629
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:53,280
investigation but there is disturbance.
So that's I'm just

630
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:56,880
» right entire it's across8 acres
>> but it's not entire acres I don't

631
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:01,040
» well
>> the way this whereas is written

632
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:06,960
» there's this whereas in here in order to
evaluate the impacts of the project

633
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:11,040
changes in the approximately 6 and2 acre
pre-cond sites.

634
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,079
Uh Chipo requested that the applicant
undertake a phase three recovery plan

635
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,559
which involves physical digging on the
property which implies to me that they

636
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:22,640
could still say they could do they
they're digging out like samples

637
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:26,640
essentially and then Chipo could say
nope too valuable stop and don't do

638
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:31,760
anymore. Right? Is that is that accurate
>> in theory? Yeah. I was just reacting to

639
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:36,480
the the phrase you just used involves
physical digging of the property. So I

640
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:42,559
just want to say somehow that you know
the planning board acknowledges

641
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,760
um that there's some dis some limited
disturbance however

642
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,280
» I like that term
>> some limited disturbance however this

643
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,040
isn't considered significant
>> you know is not a significant

644
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,440
» adverse impact
>> that's good

645
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:02,720
» and and the planning board otherwise
affirms its prior seeker determination

646
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,319
» yeah get that Henry [laughter]
Maybe

647
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,160
too
>> and it is temp is just temporary. They

648
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,920
dig it up and then they put it back.
>> Yeah, they usually Yeah, they they put

649
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,400
it back.
>> Well, but I think they're doing this

650
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,839
because they want to put buildings on
it.

651
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:21,760
» Well, that but that comes that when that
will be that's going to be a separate

652
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,119
plan when they disturb it. They have to
investigate first and then to disturb

653
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,599
» later.
>> Exactly.

654
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:31,280
» Well, no, they're disturbing now.
>> They don't have authority. You can't we

655
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,440
can't even consider that area
>> allows Shipo to continue.

656
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,119
» Correct.
>> Yes.

657
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,640
» Correct.
>> Correct.

658
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:42,480
» Yes. This this doesn't this does not
decide one way or the other whether or

659
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:46,400
not the land can be usable
>> for for any kind of development.

660
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,400
» Right. They have an application into
Shipo that's something separate whether

661
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:55,040
they're going to authorize it.
>> I saw a project that actually had to do

662
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:59,119
that. Um, and
you know, they didn't find anything, but

663
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,720
they they did these little they went out
like with little tools.

664
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,520
» Yeah,
>> it was [laughter] very funny. It was an

665
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,520
archaeological dig. It was
>> fascinating.

666
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,800
» It was a full scale, but you know, they
took out, you know, a quart of dirt

667
00:52:08,316 --> 00:52:13,280
[laughter]
>> every five feet.

668
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:17,200
» I I just I know of one that was really
significant, phase three. And these

669
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,720
things, if they find stuff,
>> they're going to have to keep digging.

670
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,040
» Yeah. Yeah. So, but we don't know at
this point.

671
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,920
» Correct. So I think we just acknowledge
that there's some disturbance.

672
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,599
» I think but that it's
>> I like what you had said there.

673
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
» Yeah.
>> That we do acknowledge that there will

674
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,800
be disturbance.
>> Yep.

675
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,520
» Thank you, Bonnie.
>> Thank you.

676
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,520
» That was my comment.
>> Excellent.

677
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,480
» And Henry, when you do have it written,
what we tend to do is we read it up to a

678
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,319
point and then we point to you and you
can read the part that you just wrote.

679
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:56,186
A lot of pressure, honey. [laughter]

680
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,839
» That's cooling. Going to work now.

681
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:11,680
Baptism by fire. [laughter]
>> Used to ride my motorcycle back there. I

682
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:16,319
lost a pair of riding goggles. Maybe
they'll find them. [laughter]

683
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:22,520
» And you know what? Depending on how old
and how old you are, they might find

684
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,520
them to be archaeologically significant.

685
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,972
» Yeah, [laughter]

686
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:36,599
» I think it's worse for you today because
they're just afraid to speak one

687
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,599
of
>> Yes. Yes. I think that would be lovely.

688
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:47,680
Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result

689
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,800
in limited disturbance that will not
result in a significant environmental

690
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,599
impact.
and has determined

691
00:53:52,640 --> 00:54:00,200
» that this disturbance will not
result in a significant environmental

692
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,200
impact

693
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,680
but has determined

694
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,160
that the disturbance
will not result in a significant

695
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:18,559
environmental impact.
>> That sounds good. Try one more time.

696
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,480
Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result

697
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,440
in limited disturbance but has
determined that the disturbance will not

698
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,400
result in a significant environmental
impact.

699
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,119
» Can we say seeker significant environ
just so that we're

700
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,880
» significant? Yes. Seeker environment
>> seeker

701
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:41,040
» significant have no impact on our prior
result of seeker determination. I guess

702
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,559
I I I worry about bringing in the prior
um

703
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:44,640
» yeah because we're not
>> the prior negative declaration just

704
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:48,079
because
>> we're talking about two little pieces

705
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,119
» changing it then
>> because again this data recovery plan is

706
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:55,119
for the sake of doing further
environmental investigation which you

707
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,240
will do at a pri at a you know at the
next meeting.

708
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:01,119
» Um so I guess I
>> I wouldn't say that we're we're

709
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:04,160
reaffirming or that we're touching the
prior negative declaration at all. I

710
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,720
would just say again
>> I would just keep it very cursory. Yes.

711
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,440
» Say in effect that it's not going to
result in any any that. Yeah. Um

712
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:14,400
» minimal in minimal
>> minimal.

713
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:19,640
» Yeah. Okay.
>> You can just say with respect to seeker

714
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,640
right after

715
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:22,559
» takes a village.
>> I know.

716
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:27,040
» Yeah.
>> Love it. Good point.

717
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,720
» Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result

718
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,680
in limited disturbance but has
determined that the disturbance will not

719
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,720
result in a significant environmental
impact with respect to secret. Yes.

720
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,559
» Very good.
>> Perfect.

721
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,760
» That sounds good to me.
>> Excellent. Nice job. Okay.

722
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,400
» Michael would like it.
>> Yes. Yes.

723
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,160
» We're going to find out.
>> All right. So,

724
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,599
» here.
>> Any other comments?

725
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,359
» He's watching.
>> No. You know what? It may theoretically,

726
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:59,920
but I think this covers your texting.
>> I think it's better to say it than

727
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:06,720
» Right. And again, this is not even the
for the site plan. This is just a study

728
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:10,319
because OPRHP demands it. Yeah,
>> Mr. Renia, any comments?

729
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:12,160
» Uh, no, I think that sounds very good.
>> Okay, good.

730
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:17,119
» And did it I would agree it's a
standalone project if you would.

731
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:20,160
» Right. Right. It's outside of the Yeah.
Okay. Uh, any more comments on the

732
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,440
board?
>> No comments.

733
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:31,520
» Okay. And, uh, Mr. Ve.
>> Okay. Resolution to authorize phase 3

734
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:36,000
recovery plan. Uh, resolution 2019 39Q.
Whereas, whereas, whereas now therefore

735
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:41,440
be resolved that the planning board
hereby authorizes the implementation

736
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:47,520
of the phase 3 archaeological
data recovery plan subject to uh receipt

737
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:52,240
of OPRHP's
written authorization

738
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:55,280
of said phase three plan.
>> And go ahead and read into the record,

739
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,119
Henry.
Whereas the planning board acknowledges

740
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,319
that the data recovery plan may result
in limited disturbance but has

741
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:05,920
determined that the disturbance will not
result in a significant environmental

742
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:09,599
impact with respect to seeker.
>> Second.

743
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,240
» Is there any discussion?
All in favor please say I.

744
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,880
» I.
>> Any nays or absention? Motion carries

745
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:19,359
unanimously. Thank you everybody.
>> Uh may I get a motion to adjurnn?

746
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,440
» So moved.
>> Second.

747
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,640
» All in favor please say I.
>> I.

748
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:28,680
» I.
>> Thank you all. That was lovely. Thank

749
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:28,680
you. Thank you. Easy.