[1:14] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the September 2nd, 2026
[1:19] meeting of the Hide Park Planning Board.
Um, you'll notice on your screens that
[1:25] the uh public water ban has been lifted.
Please visit Duchess County website for
[1:31] more information on what to do or Hyde
Park uh should have it also up on their
[1:35] website. But the water has water ban has
been lifted. If you could now please
[1:39] stand with me and say the pledge of
allegiance.
[1:44] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[1:49] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:55] justice for all.
[2:01] Our first item on the agenda is a
continued public hearing for the
[2:05] Bellefield Phase 4 FDP condos. Come on
down, gentlemen.
[2:28] Good evening. Good [clears throat]
evening and thank you for having us back
[2:32] back tonight. Larry Budro with Belf,
Jared Okconor to my left and uh we're
[2:38] back to give the board an update. Um
>> before you uh get going, could I get a
[2:45] motion to open the public hearing?
>> So moved.
[2:48] » Second. All in favor, please say I.
>> I. I.
[2:51] » Thank you.
[2:54] » So, we were uh you know, working pretty
hard to get through all the comments and
[3:00] then the board issued some preliminary
conditions to approval and I believe,
[3:06] you know, there was a significant amount
of them and we plowed through all those.
[3:09] Of course, one of them was getting the
approval from the Roosevelt Fire
[3:14] Department and we did get some lastm
minute um comments that we wanted to,
[3:20] you know, uh, you know, get addressed
right away. We were fortunate to meet
[3:25] with Dan Nichols this morning uh at at
11:30 and thank you Don, you know, for
[3:31] helping with that and of course an um
thank you for being there and Tom Harvey
[3:36] was there. Uh Dan Nichols and Ryan were
both there and of course our team, you
[3:42] know, Tom Malroy was there. Um
he was uh glad to meet us and we had the
[3:49] architects LMV there, Tom and um and
Mike McCormack.
[3:55] Their uh issue was the egress out of the
buildings and as we showed it in the
[4:01] plans we submitted on August 18th show
the egress going into the courtyard.
[4:05] They didn't like that. Uh so uh it was a
really not hard to do. We just needed to
[4:11] understand that. Uh so now we
[clears throat] put the egress out
[4:16] towards the parking lot side of the
building. So we changed that. We um uh
[4:22] updated the plans and resubmitted it
back to him so he would be in a pos
[4:26] position to write an approval letter
back back and forth. Um uh the other
[4:33] thing we did for him is we removed the
retaining. Oh Jared, you probably show
[4:37] it.
[4:43] So we do have it here. We did uh include
it in the PowerPoint.
[4:50] But as as that comes up, the other thing
we did was you might remember there was
[4:54] a retaining wall uh on the on the east
and the north end of the courtyard and
[5:02] that was an accessibility issue for
them. So we took that out and we graded
[5:06] it down at 3:1. Uh the garage the wall
is already there with the parking
[5:12] garage. So we just sloped it right down.
>> And you put a stairway there.
[5:16] » Yeah. And a stair access. Where where is
this again?
[5:21] » Yeah, I'll show you when it comes up.
[5:27] » It's 3,3100
on the east end,
[5:31] » right?
>> Yep. Yep.
[5:33] » Yep.
>> Cynthy, what did you do?
[5:41] » It's loading.
>> Looks good.
[5:45] » A little temperamental tonight.
I think the other thing we did memory
[5:50] » and Dan had a concern with was the uh
pool house amenity was a little close to
[5:56] the actual residential building condo.
So um the architect said well we'll
[6:03] rotate it 90 and so he was happy with
that. Uh and then he wanted a note on
[6:09] the plan specifically referring to uh
NFPA13
[6:15] as a code requirement. We did look up
the code and it is required for the
[6:20] height of this building. So that we will
be sprinklering the buildings at NFPA
[6:25] NFPA13. So that note was added to the
cover sheet as note number 10. Uh, so I
[6:31] forward him an email with uh with uh a
note explaining all of that with the
[6:37] three attachments, the cover sheet,
grading, and layout plan. So I'll show
[6:41] you what we did here.
[6:47] I can then a good one.
[6:53] » That won't be won't be as clear.
[7:00] » Oh yeah, you can't there. There you go.
So stair egress here. We added this this
[7:06] right here. So now you can come out the
stair tower and out to the parking area,
[7:12] not the courtyard.
So, one here, one here, one here, one
[7:17] here.
[7:21] This this wall was taken out
and uh you'll see in the grading plan we
[7:26] added the stairs
to get out. This uh we rotated it 90°
[7:34] and we had to go from 40 to 35 ft in
order to work with the grade. So this is
[7:42] a lot more room in between the buildings
now.
[7:47] Oops.
[7:51] Same thing here. This wall was taken
out. Stair access down. And this was
[7:56] rotated 90 to give more room between the
buildings. And we added egress here,
[8:03] here,
there, and there. and Jared will get us
[8:08] to the grading plan, but um uh we had to
make sure all the grades work. So, we
[8:13] went to the grading plan, put the spot
grades on, made sure everything worked.
[8:17] » It it Larry, is it ADA now through the
structure? Is that is that how how does
[8:23] a handicap get into there without
accessing those stairs on the
[8:28] » uh which structure?
>> On on your on that structure there? You
[8:33] see you see the courtyard?
>> Yeah. Now you have the stairs, right?
[8:37] » So, so they would access it through the
building. Is that correct?
[8:42] » Yes. Okay. I just
>> Yeah. So, it's interesting the way, let
[8:45] me grab that. The way this lobby works,
the lobby is 2 feet above the uh garage
[8:52] elevation and uh we provided the the uh
floor plan of that um layout. But the
[9:01] two feet there then there's elevator
access to it and you go up to whatever
[9:05] floor you want and
>> okay
[9:08] » but yeah you would not be able to do
this. You can see the grade difference.
[9:12] That was one of the concerns
uh Dan had was uh you know how does he
[9:17] get you know to this courtyard you know
uh up this stair tower coming up some 12
[9:24] feet up here with all their equipment
that kind of stuff. So, this this was a
[9:30] a valid concern. We had to know what it
was and we addressed it. So, here's the
[9:35] grading plan. We had to work with the
grades a little bit. We had to pull this
[9:39] back a little bit to get that guy in.
Um, same thing here.
[9:46] Now, he also had some comment, wasn't
it, about the stair tower it from the
[9:52] from the garage level and reworking that
ramp or
[9:56] » Well, his his concern was if there was a
fire in the garage, he didn't want the
[10:01] smoke going up the stair to
the stair tower that goes out has no
[10:07] access to the garage.
>> Okay. Right. So, the smoke can't go.
[10:12] Okay.
>> They're separate through it. Separate.
[10:14] » Separate. Okay, good.
So, uh we made progress on that and uh
[10:21] he was very helpful in saying, you know,
what do I need to do um you know to help
[10:26] move this forward and so I think uh I
think that box will be checked.
[10:34] Couple other things to give the board an
update. We did receive REIA comments. Uh
[10:40] we're working through them. comments
seven and nine. You know, of the 20
[10:46] three uh 23 original comments, um we're
we've addressed
[10:53] most of them. I've seen personally seven
and nine are addressed. Uh we have 13,
[11:01] 16, 17, and 21 to complete. I just got a
text message that they're, you know,
[11:07] they're basically done. Um the last
comment 23
[11:14] uh and I'll just read it here uh remains
Bellefield it said the uh in uh building
[11:20] inspector zoning administrator town
engineer should agree on the
[11:24] requirements for the building permit and
CO occupancy. So this refers to the CO
[11:30] occupancy phasing plan and for each of
those phasing plans we're saying what
[11:35] has to be in place
>> in order you know to get the CO and the
[11:40] comment says that the zoning
administrator town engineer should agree
[11:45] on it. So um
you know that we would need a response
[11:51] from from them
[11:55] and we can follow up.
>> Right. The four the four parties need to
[12:00] get together.
>> We'll follow up with them.
[12:06] Um Larry, I did just want to note that
um comment 15 was not turned red, but it
[12:13] is also a remaining comment and was not
addressed. It's in black.
[12:21] » Oh, yeah. Okay.
>> All right. Just want to highlight that.
[12:24] » Yeah. Okay.
[12:29] All right. Um the interpretive plan we'd
like to go over. Um
[12:35] the interpretive plan we presented it to
um the intent was it to establish the
[12:44] design intent of the interpretive you
know features. So you can go to that
[12:51] » um an interpretive plan meaning
>> the the the around the pond
[12:54] » sheet C1
>> the recreation.
[12:56] » Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
[13:02] So, the idea is that we're presenting to
the board. Um, you know, our intent, uh,
[13:10] I think there's like almost 20 different
different design elements. Um some are
[13:17] repeated,
but um the uh we met with Dylan
[13:22] yesterday and the idea was you know how
does this work at at you know final
[13:28] approval and so we were working through
that today and we have some thoughts and
[13:33] we'll go through them. I'll go through
the big picture. Jared can go through
[13:37] some of the details, but the idea is
that you know the plan being presented
[13:43] is um
is our design intent for what we want to
[13:48] do. Uh the final design elements would
the idea we're thinking the final design
[13:54] elements would be approved by staff and
installed prior to the co. So what we
[14:00] would do is uh tie a certain number of
elements. We say in the note on the
[14:05] upper left that three or four of the
interpretive elements would be required
[14:10] to be in per CO and you take three * 4
and that's 12 of course or four * 4 is
[14:17] 16. So we'll capture all the the uh
design elements within the there's
[14:24] there's four cos right one no two three
four five six six six cos right so 6 * 3
[14:31] is 18 6 * 4 is 24 so it's three to four
elements per co
[14:36] » then we so because we're not going to
build the whole thing at once right
[14:40] » and only have 30 people there right so
the idea is to sequence it with the co
[14:48] beef it up as you go.
>> Yeah. And and then we have some thoughts
[14:52] on on sequencing it and we can share
that. But the idea would be obviously
[14:57] for building 30,000
we the pond would be in the trail around
[15:02] the pond would be done. The stone tower
park would be done. So all those
[15:07] elements would be done and then in the
next co we'll come up with another list
[15:11] and that kind of thing.
So I think we can confidently provide
[15:18] the list of what would be done on the
first CO. Now
[15:20] » yes, oh sorry,
>> we can confident confidently provide or
[15:24] provide a list that confidently says
what we can deliver uh for the first CO
[15:29] » because a lot of the earth work has to
happen for the pond. Makes sense to put
[15:33] in the trails.
>> Some of your larger elements will have
[15:35] to have been in place.
>> Exactly. Because we don't have to go
[15:37] back and try to do that when the other
buildings are being done. So, but then
[15:41] once we move beyond that, um, we've got
some thoughts on trying to give us some
[15:44] flexibility to deliver certain elements
that meet the intent of what we're
[15:48] showing here. So,
>> can I after I was thinking about this
[15:51] after we met yesterday, um, and I I
wonder if you could say a little more
[15:56] like I'm it surprises me as I think
about it, how much uncertainty you have
[16:02] about like what space you're going to
have or what things are going to look
[16:05] like when you're done. Can you talk a
little like I'm accustomed to seeing in
[16:09] the plan that you've you know what's
going to happen in enough detail that
[16:12] you're able to site a playground piece
of playground equipment, right? So why
[16:15] isn't that the the case with with this
particular piece of property in this
[16:19] project?
Well, the uh you know the whole thing
[16:23] with Bellefield is you know when we were
doing this trail by the by the uh uh
[16:29] hotel, right? We show it on plan, but
when we actually were doing it out in
[16:34] the field, you know, we were working
more with the contours, with the rocks
[16:38] that are there, with the trees that are
there. So, uh, we need that flexibility
[16:44] to I mean, we could show the trail, we
could show the playground feature, but
[16:49] we I I believe we need the flexibility
to work with what's actually out there.
[16:55] Uh, the trees, the rock outcrops, or
whatever else we may find. Um, that was
[17:00] what we were
>> Yeah, I I guess I I understand that from
[17:03] a concept plan or when looking at the
whole property, but when we get into
[17:06] this scale and this level of detail for
a site plan, uh, you know,
[17:13] shouldn't we have a sense of where the
trees are and actually have it kind of
[17:18] mapped out a little more clearly,
cleanly?
[17:19] » Well, well, when I say trees, I'm
saying, you know, uh,
[17:25] » a bunch of trees. Well, u you know, a
nice sycamore that doesn't show up on an
[17:29] aerial, you know, that you want to pop
around, you know, that kind of thing.
[17:34] » A rockout crop that doesn't show up on
the on the topo. Uh and that's what we
[17:39] did with that trail. We worked around
some rockout crops and stuff like that.
[17:44] Um
>> so the the topography is coming into
[17:47] play. Yeah.
>> As you as you as you dig out the pond,
[17:51] your things might not be what you
expect.
[17:52] » That's the idea. Um but this will be um
as we were speaking yesterday the final
[17:59] design element the idea I mean like a
bench you know how
[18:04] you know we'll show the detail what
we're going to do and we'll show where
[18:09] » after the pond is is built we'll have a
really good idea where that thing would
[18:14] fit and so then we can site it you know
specifically like that. So, we're
[18:19] committing to however many bench benches
we have in there, you know, we'll we'll
[18:24] show up. Um,
I I really like having uh I used to do a
[18:31] lot of golf courses, right? So, when you
do a golf course, you lay it out on
[18:35] plan, but it's all done in the field.
You know, you're working with the
[18:39] contours, you're moving things around,
and that's kind of what, you know, what
[18:44] I see here. But we're identifying
specifically, you know, ideas that that
[18:51] we're going going to put out there. Um,
you know, so it's not, you know, I mean,
[18:57] like that bench there, we want to have a
natural,
[19:00] you know, kind of wood type bench. So,
[cough] will be there. It will be,
[19:05] it'll be in the area of the location
that we identify. Uh, but it might be a
[19:10] little left or right of it or
>> So, Larry, if I'm understanding
[19:14] correctly, you're you since you've done
golf courses and all, you're saying that
[19:19] you're gonna you're going to it's it's
fine on paper, but as you get out into
[19:24] the field, you might come across
something naturally beautiful that you
[19:28] don't want to the bench is going to sit
right there and you're going to have to
[19:31] take it out and remove it. You you could
just shift it over 5T and have the best
[19:36] of both worlds. That's your intention is
to make it better than actually what
[19:41] you're presenting.
>> Yes,
[19:42] » that's correct.
>> Yes.
[19:43] » Okay,
>> that's the idea.
[19:46] » Well, the the other issue I think you
have on the site is the understory is
[19:49] [clears throat] so thick,
>> the topography
[19:52] » from the topo maps, you're not seeing a
lot of the elements that are within the
[19:57] site. So, as you start uh grubbing the
understory and cleaning that all out,
[20:03] you're talking about large scale
landscaping, not building structures.
[20:07] So, as you build that landscape, you'll
see and landscape architects and
[20:12] designers will look at it and go, "It
was supposed to go here, but it looks
[20:16] better here."
>> And as you build the pond,
[20:18] » Yeah.
>> everything's going to mirror off of that
[20:21] pond.
>> Yeah, that's that's the idea. I mean,
[20:24] these things here, um, the gazebo, the
Jarro and I were talking about this
[20:30] today, but, uh, where is the best spot
for the dock? You know, that's going to
[20:35] go out in the water. We show it there to
the right. Yeah, right there. We show it
[20:40] there, but actually when we get the pond
in, you know, we might want to move it a
[20:45] little bit. So,
>> or angle it or something.
[20:47] » Angle it. Angle it. And there are some
areas, you know, right here in this bend
[20:52] is very steep on the slope. And so when
we get in there and find a way like what
[20:57] is the trail actually going to look like
for that section, that might spark more
[21:00] ideas on what else might make sense to
put here given the topography of it if
[21:04] there's other elements we want to put
there. So that's those are like the
[21:07] level of details that we don't have now,
but we're committing to, you know, go
[21:12] through and do that work.
>> That answers my question. Thank you.
[21:14] » Yeah. and and and these items lend
themselves to that flexibility, you
[21:19] know. So that's why it
>> I mean just to play de devil's advocate
[21:24] here, I think the the only concern would
be that by staging it um we won't see
[21:30] some of these elements. So as long as
there is a list to have flexibility to
[21:35] be able to work them into the landscape
in the proper way sounds fantastic. as
[21:41] long as we still retain all of the
elements throughout the project.
[21:47] » I I think we're gonna be a little
careful with the wording here, too. This
[21:50] this has the potential to be kind of
subjective, what's acceptable and what's
[21:53] not. And that's our job, not staff's
job. um when it comes to those sorts of
[21:59] subjective
>> well I think the board has also been
[22:02] very clear on some of the items that
they want to see like they want to see a
[22:06] grouping of some of these recreational
equipments together rather than all all
[22:11] spread out oneonone. So if we can get
the wording in there that says that
[22:16] there is at least one place where
there's multiple recreation structures
[22:23] then that carries through what the board
has been asking for. Yeah, I I agree
[22:28] » without you actually having to say,
"Well, it's going to go exactly here."
[22:31] » Yeah. And and I do agree, you know, with
with that. Um
[22:35] » so So there is um a condition that
discusses
[22:42] looking at interpretive trails and and
adding additional um equipment, it said
[22:49] to the satisfaction of the planner. But
I really think that should all be
[22:54] revised and it really should be. I think
to your point this is conceptual and
[22:59] just maybe at another date you can come
back with you know ha have the list as
[23:06] you say but then once you're really out
there and you've started construction
[23:11] I'm sure a good chunk of what's showing
is park is going to be graded so you'll
[23:17] have I think you know a little bit
better of a canvas to figure out where
[23:22] you're going to put things you know so
for example there was there there was a
[23:26] swing set and I think the group had said
we want more equipment. So I saw one
[23:32] additional swing set but I don't know
that that's I don't think I'm the one
[23:36] that would say that's adequate. I think
you all have to say this is appropriate
[23:41] for a park that's serving this area.
>> Right. Well, and I think we've been
[23:45] specific in asking for an actual
>> playground area.
[23:49] » Yeah. where you have multiple options,
right,
[23:52] » for multiple ages to play fairly close
by to each other so that
[23:57] » mom's not chasing after
>> Yeah.
[24:00] » Yeah. And and I think that's just
something that's going to work itself
[24:03] out. So, it's it's almost better. Okay.
you show conceptually,
[24:07] » you can get a park and trails in and
then just come back um once you've
[24:13] started the construction to nail down ex
exactly the program that you think is
[24:18] » appropriate for this area.
>> So, how would that be worded on a
[24:22] resolution?
>> Yeah, we have to change that. [laughter]
[24:25] » I'm going to Henry will take care of
that.
[24:26] » I'm going to take a shot at it. I'll
take a shot at it. Then Jerry will jump
[24:30] in as he [clears throat] always does.
[laughter] Yeah.
[24:33] » Uh final design design elements must be
approved by uh planning board and
[24:38] installed prior to CO
>> building.
[24:42] » So maybe we be we become specific about
which COS, right?
[24:45] » Yes. And that
>> a schedule of that with so once you
[24:48] develop their schedule
>> like like you said at the very first one
[24:52] we're going to have all of the you will
have had all of these elements that have
[24:55] to be in place
>> as you do 3,000.
[24:58] » Yes. included in that might be the first
round of the recreation area.
[25:03] » Yeah.
>> Spelled out.
[25:05] » Yeah. As Jared said, we we have a pretty
good idea of what we want to do for
[25:09] 30,000. That's the
>> So, just to understand kind of
[25:13] mechanically what this would mean, is
this a condition to the site plan
[25:16] approval for the whole phase or it's a
condition that applies in post site plan
[25:24] in the construction phase? you you
pretty clearly need it or want certainly
[25:28] want it to be not a condition of site
plan. Correct. You need the site plan
[25:32] approved forward. So that's just what
we're talking
[25:35] » but just as we're talking about the
phasing so that you can finish one
[25:38] element of the site plan and get a co so
you don't have to have everything in
[25:43] place. This would work its way into
that. I think once those building
[25:47] locations are tagged and set where they
are and then the trail the pond goes in
[25:52] and the trail goes around it, you're
it's going to answer its own questions.
[25:56] It's going to fall
once those buildings are staked and
[26:01] pinned and cleared and then the pond is
in.
[26:04] » We want to get the pond done by the end
of the year so that baby's, you know,
[26:08] up.
>> Just what what what sort of technical
[26:10] mechanism are we talking about here? It
would be nice if it's not like a full
[26:14] amended site plan, right? If it's
>> now we phase 4 a
[26:21] » for pond.
>> Yep.
[26:23] » Maybe it's all attached to a 4A.
>> Is that
[26:26] » if is that a a way of handling it? If
it's attached to that as a separate
[26:31] heading,
>> would that hold up?
[26:33] » It has to be on this one. Okay.
>> Well, I think we'll figure out the
[26:36] mechanism.
>> Yeah. And then the other advantage is
[26:39] just once you started grading and some
trees etc. Even the planning board could
[26:44] go out there and and with you and then
say all right this is a perfect location
[26:48] for XYZ.
>> So again I think there should be some
[26:52] conceptual expectations
of what you're going to put there and at
[26:57] least maybe yeah some preliminary
quantities lists. So you've you've
[27:03] already expanded it immensely since we
first talked to you by talking about the
[27:07] number of elements and you know instead
of just saying yeah exactly. So now
[27:12] you're talking about 18 different
>> we can detail this a little bit more by
[27:16] uh at least identifying for the first co
what to do then the others we can put a
[27:22] number on it.
>> Yep.
[27:24] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. to be determined. But um I like
[27:28] that approach.
>> And it may be that by the time you're
[27:32] getting your first CEO, things are
grubbed and cleared and things and you
[27:37] sort of have an idea and come back for
all of the approvals for us. You don't
[27:43] have to come back every every time or
anything. Right.
[27:46] » Right. Um Yeah. And it'll still be tied
to the CEO, but it'll be approved.
[27:51] » Correct. Right.
And and of course there's certain items
[27:54] in landscaping and probably recreation
that are movable,
[27:59] » right? And that that our zoning administ
she may deem some of these things as
[28:04] dimminimous.
>> Okay.
[28:05] » So, you know, we I heard terms like we
would move it over 5T. I think RZA would
[28:10] say something like that is dimminimous
>> anyway. Um, we're just like if we if you
[28:17] drew a big circle and said this is where
we're going to put a huge group of of
[28:20] elements and then you go in you're like
oh no now we got to shift it over you
[28:23] know 250 ft. That starts changing the
whole lay of the land.
[28:28] » Mhm.
>> So I think I think we're
[28:31] » sounding like we're all singing to the
same tune at this point.
[28:34] » Yeah. Well, we agree with that.
>> Cool. All right. Okay.
[28:38] The um
so the question I have to the board is
[28:43] we made changes to the plan because of
the fire chief. So we have those we
[28:48] issued those to the fire chief and I did
copy you and Cynthia
[28:53] » and he said he's going to be preparing
uh like his official response
[28:58] » that would say comment 15 has been
addressed and
[29:02] » that he has no other concerns.
>> Right. Do you want us to resubmit the
[29:06] set um
for u the 16th, you know, with the
[29:13] updated fire chief's comments in there?
And and and we have most of the rena
[29:18] comments done.
>> I imagine there also been any new
[29:21] elevations for the amenity building
since you
[29:24] » flipped. That's all been flipped.
>> And in order to have done that, you
[29:27] would have had to submit yesterday,
right?
[29:29] » Um I mean, you guys are It's up to you
obviously. Um,
[29:33] » well, I would also remind that you're
out next week, so
[29:36] » I am out next week. Um, but I would
imagine the board needs to especially
[29:41] see this sheet so that you can approve
the kind and quantity of the recreation
[29:48] that then would be dealt with in some
kind of phase.
[29:52] » Well, this this sheet was submitted.
>> So, this is so Yeah, I mean, I guess if
[29:57] the question is, do we want a whole
brand new site plan set? Well, I'm
[30:01] asking you what do you want in
>> she is is it five sheets have changed?
[30:07] » You might also the changes for the fire
department those egress go right out
[30:12] into the landscaping currently.
>> Oh yeah. Definitely
[30:16] updated the
>> landscaping. So it's it's pretty
[30:18] intense. I mean to
>> Well, um it would be the uh cover sheet,
[30:23] site plan.
Yeah. Or layout, grading, landscape,
[30:29] » elevation. um this sheet because we'll
uh provide a little bit more I [snorts]
[30:34] think five sheets
[30:38] » and then that just we're not there's
going to be some conditions right
[30:43] » on the 16 we'll get most of them
>> whatever you submit is not going to be
[30:47] what gets signed
>> yeah yeah most of them will be addressed
[30:52] » including the fire department
>> right
[30:55] » I would suggest doing getting the board
or at least the file
[31:00] any altered sheets and then I would do a
digital set of the entire set and then
[31:06] on the table of contents indicate the
sheets that
[31:11] » which have been updated [laughter] but
make it an inclusive set digitally of
[31:16] all of the sheets
>> all of the ones that have changed so the
[31:21] board can
>> that makes sense those
[31:23] » sorry printed printed of the ones that
are changed and digital of everything
[31:27] » digital of everything can embed and all
the sheets that are altered and then
[31:32] ghost
>> and then five physical copies
[31:35] » in the digital set. So at any given time
they have a full set of all the sheets.
[31:40] » And if I may, I mean, don't kill
yourself, Larry, cuz you may have to
[31:43] change these things a little bit like
this amenity with just the stairs and no
[31:47] ramp for ADA strollers or anything like
that. I don't
[31:51] » It's It's tofi great change.
>> Just be prepared. So, we have ad access
[31:57] into the [clears throat] lobby. And then
>> I I get that. I understand. But it's
[32:01] supposed to, you know, be the same for
everyone and so you may get some push
[32:05] back and you might have to edit a little
bit. So, don't kill yourself on this set
[32:09] until you get approvals
>> because as you saw from your the comment
[32:14] letters that have come through, the 60
plus conditions have been we're down to
[32:20] manageable numbers. Now,
>> are you intending to update the lighting
[32:27] plan or are you going to address that as
a condition?
[32:32] » Oh,
>> because you're going to have exits now
[32:36] where you didn't have
>> and there are
[32:38] » we'll add those.
>> Bonnie had a a comment that that um
[32:42] there are some there are uh inaccuracies
on the lighting plan. There's it looks
[32:46] like it maybe some fixtures got updated,
but the photometrics didn't. It doesn't
[32:50] quite line up.
>> That's already a condition.
[32:53] » No. So, I'll send you Larry. What I did
was I went through
[32:57] » more comments.
>> So, I went through the resolution and
[33:01] where all my comments were embedded so
that I could say addressed so we could
[33:05] take it off or and there were some that
there were still some questions and one
[33:09] of them for example is where the
dumpster is as an example uh top right
[33:15] » by 3,300. The dumpster for 3,300.
>> Yeah.
[33:18] » Yeah.
>> 3300. There was a fixture there. So you
[33:21] have that you have those kind of foot
candles.
[33:24] » Yeah, there's a fixture here.
>> There used to be one there, right? And
[33:28] now it moved. So it's not a So there's
something off.
[33:31] » Yeah, that's that's clearly off.
>> Yeah. So So I think
[33:35] » the courtyard seemed funny, too.
>> And the court and the other thing is I
[33:38] think the way the courtyards at least
you have it set up right now is I
[33:43] believe the only lighting.
>> Yeah, we didn't put any lighting in
[33:46] there. Uh we'll put some lighting in
there. Yeah, ballards, whatever you
[33:50] want. But it's just I don't know that
you're really going to not have any
[33:53] lighting in the in the courtyard in the
evening.
[33:56] » I think I saw like a 14t candle level
underneath one of those lights in the
[34:00] courtyard, too.
>> I know. I [laughter] I didn't think it
[34:04] might be.
>> I didn't think that was the sun.
[34:06] » The sun, [laughter]
>> you know. Also, the pool the pool being
[34:10] lit, right?
>> The pool will have to be lit to a
[34:12] certain degree, right? If it's
>> Yeah. I mean, unless you're covering it.
[34:16] I that's actually worth checking in with
the health department about that because
[34:20] they have got requirements for
>> for lighting up
[34:23] » lighting on swimming pools.
>> Yeah. Um this doesn't approve the
[34:29] swimming pool. This has to go to the
health department. Is
[34:32] » Sure. But if they come back and say I I
think they their requirements are like
[34:35] 30 foot candles or something over
swimming pools.
[34:38] » Oh lord.
>> They want 30.
[34:39] » They're really heavy cuz Yeah. So it's
[laughter]
[34:44] » but you're gonna have lights in the
pool. You're gonna have all kinds of
[34:47] things. It's gonna be reflective.
>> There's all that. Um but again that's a
[34:51] you know would be a health department
separate if it ends up significantly
[34:56] changing a lot.
>> Yeah. But I think Cynthia's got the the
[34:59] right approach.
>> Yes.
[35:00] » The sheets that change to show the
change that we discussed with the fire
[35:05] department
>> that helps their conditions to go away.
[35:10] bring those out and then we're going to
still have conditions
[35:14] » that will need to be met. Lighting is an
excellent example.
[35:18] » Um,
>> yeah, that's that's that's fine.
[35:21] » I'll send you my comments. I don't know
that you're going to want to deal with
[35:24] them.
>> Crazy doing the lighting plan because I
[35:27] wouldn't go crazy adjusting the lighting
plan because you're going to have to
[35:30] readjust.
>> It's going to be a condition anyway. So,
[35:33] » yeah, that's fine. Uh, the main thing I
want to get off is the fire department.
[35:37] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Yes. All the others are will
[35:41] manage here.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um
[35:47] » Okay, great. Terrific. Um so we know
what we need to do. Uh anything else,
[35:52] Jar?
>> That covers it.
[35:54] » I think it covers it. Again, thank you
for having us
[35:57] » here and we'll adjourn to the 16th.
>> To do their
[36:01] » Oh, right. So, [laughter]
[36:05] » is there anybody here? Is there anybody
here in from the public who would like
[36:08] to speak to this application?
>> Right.
[36:11] » If not, may I get a motion to adjourn
the public hearing to [clears throat]
[36:17] what do we say? September 16th.
>> 16th. Yeah.
[36:20] » September 16th.
>> Yeah.
[36:22] » So moved.
>> Second.
[36:23] » All in favor, please say I.
>> I.
[36:25] » I.
>> Motion carries.
[36:26] » I just want to know where's the ferris
wheel going to go.
[36:30] » Oh, that could be cool.
>> Yeah. Midway. So this mountain
[36:34] » right on the overlook.
>> When we get it all cleared and ready,
[36:37] you come on out, pick a spot.
>> There you go.
[36:40] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you, Larry.
[36:42] » Guys, have a great night.
[36:46] » There are no more public hearings
scheduled for the evening. We're going
[36:50] into workshop. Our next item on the
agenda is the Goran timber harvest
[36:54] application. It is not 5 after 12. It is
6:36
[37:00] now, right?
[37:05] » [clears throat]
[37:13] » Good evening.
>> Good evening.
[37:14] » Good evening. Um my name is Christopher
Apprentice with Lower Hudson Forestry
[37:19] Services. Uh here representing uh the
Goran Trust uh for Timber Harvest at uh
[37:26] 959 Violet Avenue. Um parcel is uh
6164-01-458755.
[37:38] Um totals 175.76 acres uh of which we're
proposing uh commercial timber harvest
[37:45] on 90 of those acres. Um property has
been managed uh under DC approved um 48A
[37:53] forest management plan since 1982.
um has been harvested uh numerous times
[37:59] over the years um and we are just
continuing with the um management plan
[38:06] that was approved um back in 2023.
Um trees to be harvested uh mix of
[38:13] hardwood and softwood all marked by a
certified forester with blue paint. Uh
[38:18] there's 1438 trees uh across the 90
acres to be harvested. It averages about
[38:24] 16 trees per acre. Um the plan is to um
lop all the tops uh down to 3 ft high or
[38:34] lower. Uh helps with the uh breakdown um
and deterioration of the uh the slash
[38:39] that's left behind.
um erosion control plan is uh will be
[38:44] following the state's best management
practices for timber harvesting. Most of
[38:49] the topography is very flat rolling. Um
so slopes are not really a concern. Um
[38:56] but anywhere there are trails and
there's numerous old trails left from
[39:01] the previous harvests. um they will be
smoothed um free of debris and uh any
[39:08] erosion control devices will be
installed as necessary. Uh there is a
[39:12] DEC classified stream and wetlands um in
the application packet. We've gotten the
[39:19] approval for a DEC um stream crossing
and wetland um crossing permit. Uh we'll
[39:28] be crossing with um wooden crane mats.
uh approximately 100 foot uh section of
[39:34] the the wetland and the stream. Um that
crossing will then be removed at the
[39:40] completion of the uh uh the process and
[clears throat] um it will be restored
[39:45] back to what it is currently. Um there's
also uh DC um rare threatened endangered
[39:52] species, the uh Blandings turtle. So,
uh, there's a letter in the application
[39:58] that, uh, the DEC's provided for, um,
seasonal restrictions. They'll
[40:03] basically, uh, only allow us to harvest
between October 16th and April 14th. Um,
[40:10] there is also a letter from the New York
State Parks, Recreation, Historical
[40:14] Preservation. Um, the property did get a
hit on the, uh, EF mapper for being in a
[40:21] potential historic or archaeological
sensitive site. Um the letter states
[40:26] that this project won't have any u uh
bearing on anything that they have
[40:31] found. Um access to the property is
going to be off of State Route 9G.
[40:36] There's a pre-existing old abandoned
orchard that's there. Um there's two old
[40:41] breaks in the stone wall that were used
for access to the orchard. Um what we
[40:46] plan on doing is um putting in a
tracking pad um to prevent mud and
[40:52] debris from entering onto the highway.
Um, I did speak with the DOT, uh, Tina
[40:57] Riley. She sent me an email that I can
present. Um, but basically, um,
[41:05] since we don't have a contractor yet, I
can't apply for a DOT temporary access
[41:11] permit because of the bonds and
insurance. But, um, I can give you this.
[41:17] Basically, it says that, uh, let the
planning board know that we don't have
[41:20] any objections to this type of work. uh
and you know an application can be put
[41:25] in once a contractor is found. Um
so um I know that visuals was a big um
[41:33] item because this is a special use
permit. Um the harvest is actually um a
[41:40] long ways from the the state highway. Um
you know 800 feet is as close as it
[41:46] comes. um more of the property is over
1,000 ft past um the the the Route 9J.
[41:54] So, um aesthetically, no one's really
going to notice that it's what's going
[41:59] on back there. Um there's a few houses
um that the harvest will be near, but um
[42:06] I visually I don't think that will
impact them at all. Um the hope is that
[42:12] you know with weather um cooperating
that it would take approximately three
[42:17] three and a half months to complete the
the process. Um you know if we couldn't
[42:22] finish before the April 14th deadline
then um obviously we would have to come
[42:26] back the following year. Um I think
that's all I have.
[42:32] » Thank you very much. Very thorough and I
know you've been working really closely
[42:36] uh with Tad on this. Yeah.
>> Excellent. All right. I'm going to Let's
[42:41] see.
Miss Bonnie, any questions on this?
[42:46] » No, I do not. Thank you, [clears throat]
>> Mr. Renia.
[42:49] » No comments,
>> Mr. Hensman.
[42:52] » I was just going to confirm that you
will get with the zoning administrator
[42:55] to figure out what sheets to include in
the site plan application.
[43:00] » Uh, yes. Okay.
>> Thank you,
[43:04] Mr. Tuttle.
>> No comments. Thank you,
[43:07] » Mr. Waters. I
>> I just had a question for interest. Uh
[43:12] what what happens to the harvest? Is
that up to the contractor yourself? What
[43:17] what does the wood is it stay in the
community? Is it forest? Is it broken
[43:23] down into lumber, timber since it's
hardwoods and stuff? I I just wanted to
[43:27] know, do you know how that process
works?
[43:30] » [clears throat]
>> Um
[43:32] the lower grade firewood and stuff like
that more likely than not would stay in
[43:36] the community. And I mean when I say
community, Duchess County,
[43:39] » Duchess,
>> um soft wood more likely than not goes
[43:43] to Canada.
>> Um hardwood kind of average grade will
[43:49] probably stay somewhere in New York.
Higher grade,
[43:53] » um China,
>> wherever the market is. um Japan, Korea,
[43:59] it's a pretty worldwide uh uh you know
process. So
[44:05] » um surprisingly, you know, round logs
get stuffed into rectangular shipping
[44:11] containers and put on boats and they go
across the world. So um that's where a
[44:16] lot of uh of wood from New York goes
now.
[44:18] » Wow.
>> Just wanted to know.
[44:21] » Excellent question.
>> Good good question.
[44:23] » Yeah. Thank you,
>> Mr. Ve. Uh, no comment,
[44:26] » Mr. Oliver.
>> No comments.
[44:28] » Miss Lee,
>> no comments. Thank you.
[44:31] » Um, I guess my only question is did you
that uh letter that you just pointed out
[44:36] from did that get sent over to the
planning office?
[44:40] » No, I have just gotten it. So,
>> okay. If you could forward that over to
[44:43] Cynthia, that would be great.
>> Okay.
[44:46] » Just add that to your file.
>> Okay. Um, so we do have a resolution
[44:51] tonight to classify the project and
circulate to the agencies that need to
[44:56] be circulated to. Uh, Mr. Tuttle, I
believe you have this one.
[44:59] » I do.
Resolution to classify project and
[45:03] circulate to Duchess County Planning and
Development. Goran Timber Harvest,
[45:06] September 2nd, 2026. Resolution 2026-26.
Whereas, whereas, whereas
[45:13] Now therefore, be it resolved that the
planning board hereby classifies the
[45:16] project as an unlisted action under
seeker and determines to conduct an
[45:20] uncoordinated review. Be it further
resolved that the planning board directs
[45:24] the secretary to refer the project to
the Duchess County Department of
[45:27] Planning and Development pursuant to
section 239M of the general municipal
[45:30] law. Be it further resolved that the
planning board directs the secretary to
[45:34] send a courtesy referral to the New York
State Department of Transportation.
[45:38] » Second. Is there any discussion? All in
favor, please say I.
[45:42] » I.
>> Any nays or abstensions? Motion carries
[45:45] unanimously.
>> Thank you for coming out tonight.
[45:49] » Thank you.
[45:52] » We need to set a public hearing. Sorry.
>> Set a public hearing.
[45:54] » May I get a motion to set a public
hearing for September 16th?
[45:57] » I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
[45:59] » All in favor, please say I.
>> I.
[46:01] » I.
>> There you go. Now you're all set.
[46:03] » Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you for the uh update
[46:06] on what happens to it. That's It's
important to know that. Yeah.
[46:10] » Thank you.
>> It is.
[46:10] » I will see you in a few weeks.
>> Thank you.
[46:12] » Got it.
>> Thank you.
[46:14] » Have a good night.
>> You too.
[46:17] » Our next item on the agenda is uh other
business with the CIA hotel and villas.
[46:22] Uh they are looking to do a phase three
recovery plan study uh on their site to
[46:28] see if it's uh usable for expanded
villas and um other items on their site
[46:37] plan.
This is uh just an authorization that
[46:41] would allow them to do just just the
study and
[46:46] see am I missing anything?
[46:53] » Bonnie, do you have any input on this?
>> Yes. So, we're we're literally
[46:58] talking about this trying to sort it
out. So, so this is a recovery plan.
[47:04] We're saying we're authorizing a
recovery plan. the recovery plan results
[47:08] in disturbance. So on the one hand it's
a mitigation but on the other hand
[47:12] you're disturbing you know 8 acres of
the site that wasn't accounted for in
[47:18] seeker. So I was just looking at this to
see if there was any you know paragraph
[47:25] that says something to the effective and
we find that this isn't a significant
[47:30] impact. Um,
>> yeah, if we could just to add some kind
[47:35] of sentence that you're
cognizant that
[47:40] this this has implications from a secret
perspective, too.
[47:45] » I think that's a fine idea. I think we
can have that absolutely significant
[47:48] that it won't affect the prior
>> Yeah. that that it's that it's not
[47:52] right. And ultimately, it is a recovery
plan. And it's a it's a type of
[47:55] mitigation, but the fact that they're
going to be cutting into this area and
[47:59] digging it out is also a disturbance.
So, just if we could put some wording in
[48:03] there.
>> Yeah.
[48:06] » Can we collectively come up with a uh a
sentence or so to put in there?
[48:11] » Um,
reference the last
[48:16] reaffirmation
resolution date.
[48:21] » Oh, right. Um
>> where something like whereas the
[48:26] planning board acknowledges
that this will this may result in
[48:32] additional.8
acres of disturbance
[48:38] that comma period. However,
the recovery plan is a form of
[48:44] mitigation
and the planning board finds it won't
[48:49] result in a significant adverse impact.
>> So, to be clear, um what's being
[48:56] approved here
is a phase three
[49:01] » recovery plan
>> plan.
[49:04] So they
>> a data recovery plan
[49:06] » they are
>> what what what is the scope of work
[49:10] exactly that's entailed in that? Are
they are they going to dig out the
[49:13] entirety of that 8 acres? Are they doing
>> a grid pattern? Right. They do a grid
[49:18] pattern and they right they they dig
[clears throat] up shovel holes every
[49:22] » and to a point where I I for in my brain
I recall that there might be some
[49:27] percentage that they have to dig up 60%
or whatever may have been there and
[49:34] collect it. Um and then there's a whole
process of cataloging it
[49:39] » putting it in a museum etc etc. But but
so it's an archaeological in
[49:45] investigation but there is disturbance.
So that's I'm just
[49:48] » right entire it's across8 acres
>> but it's not entire acres I don't
[49:56] » well
>> the way this whereas is written
[49:59] » there's this whereas in here in order to
evaluate the impacts of the project
[50:03] changes in the approximately 6 and2 acre
pre-cond sites.
[50:09] Uh Chipo requested that the applicant
undertake a phase three recovery plan
[50:12] which involves physical digging on the
property which implies to me that they
[50:15] could still say they could do they
they're digging out like samples
[50:20] essentially and then Chipo could say
nope too valuable stop and don't do
[50:25] anymore. Right? Is that is that accurate
>> in theory? Yeah. I was just reacting to
[50:29] the the phrase you just used involves
physical digging of the property. So I
[50:34] just want to say somehow that you know
the planning board acknowledges
[50:38] um that there's some dis some limited
disturbance however
[50:44] » I like that term
>> some limited disturbance however this
[50:48] isn't considered significant
>> you know is not a significant
[50:53] » adverse impact
>> that's good
[50:55] » and and the planning board otherwise
affirms its prior seeker determination
[51:00] » yeah get that Henry [laughter]
Maybe
[51:04] too
>> and it is temp is just temporary. They
[51:08] dig it up and then they put it back.
>> Yeah, they usually Yeah, they they put
[51:11] it back.
>> Well, but I think they're doing this
[51:13] because they want to put buildings on
it.
[51:15] » Well, that but that comes that when that
will be that's going to be a separate
[51:19] plan when they disturb it. They have to
investigate first and then to disturb
[51:24] » later.
>> Exactly.
[51:25] » Well, no, they're disturbing now.
>> They don't have authority. You can't we
[51:29] can't even consider that area
>> allows Shipo to continue.
[51:33] » Correct.
>> Yes.
[51:33] » Correct.
>> Correct.
[51:36] » Yes. This this doesn't this does not
decide one way or the other whether or
[51:40] not the land can be usable
>> for for any kind of development.
[51:44] » Right. They have an application into
Shipo that's something separate whether
[51:48] they're going to authorize it.
>> I saw a project that actually had to do
[51:51] that. Um, and
you know, they didn't find anything, but
[51:56] they they did these little they went out
like with little tools.
[52:00] » Yeah,
>> it was [laughter] very funny. It was an
[52:02] archaeological dig. It was
>> fascinating.
[52:03] » It was a full scale, but you know, they
took out, you know, a quart of dirt
[52:08] [laughter]
>> every five feet.
[52:11] » I I just I know of one that was really
significant, phase three. And these
[52:15] things, if they find stuff,
>> they're going to have to keep digging.
[52:18] » Yeah. Yeah. So, but we don't know at
this point.
[52:21] » Correct. So I think we just acknowledge
that there's some disturbance.
[52:24] » I think but that it's
>> I like what you had said there.
[52:27] » Yeah.
>> That we do acknowledge that there will
[52:29] be disturbance.
>> Yep.
[52:31] » Thank you, Bonnie.
>> Thank you.
[52:34] » That was my comment.
>> Excellent.
[52:40] » And Henry, when you do have it written,
what we tend to do is we read it up to a
[52:44] point and then we point to you and you
can read the part that you just wrote.
[52:52] A lot of pressure, honey. [laughter]
[52:58] » That's cooling. Going to work now.
[53:03] Baptism by fire. [laughter]
>> Used to ride my motorcycle back there. I
[53:08] lost a pair of riding goggles. Maybe
they'll find them. [laughter]
[53:14] » And you know what? Depending on how old
and how old you are, they might find
[53:17] them to be archaeologically significant.
[53:24] » Yeah, [laughter]
[53:29] » I think it's worse for you today because
they're just afraid to speak one
[53:39] of
>> Yes. Yes. I think that would be lovely.
[53:42] Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result
[53:45] in limited disturbance that will not
result in a significant environmental
[53:49] impact.
and has determined
[53:52] » that this disturbance will not
result in a significant environmental
[53:57] impact
[54:02] but has determined
[54:08] that the disturbance
will not result in a significant
[54:12] environmental impact.
>> That sounds good. Try one more time.
[54:17] Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result
[54:20] in limited disturbance but has
determined that the disturbance will not
[54:24] result in a significant environmental
impact.
[54:26] » Can we say seeker significant environ
just so that we're
[54:29] » significant? Yes. Seeker environment
>> seeker
[54:32] » significant have no impact on our prior
result of seeker determination. I guess
[54:36] I I I worry about bringing in the prior
um
[54:41] » yeah because we're not
>> the prior negative declaration just
[54:44] because
>> we're talking about two little pieces
[54:47] » changing it then
>> because again this data recovery plan is
[54:49] for the sake of doing further
environmental investigation which you
[54:52] will do at a pri at a you know at the
next meeting.
[54:56] » Um so I guess I
>> I wouldn't say that we're we're
[54:59] reaffirming or that we're touching the
prior negative declaration at all. I
[55:02] would just say again
>> I would just keep it very cursory. Yes.
[55:06] » Say in effect that it's not going to
result in any any that. Yeah. Um
[55:12] » minimal in minimal
>> minimal.
[55:13] » Yeah. Okay.
>> You can just say with respect to seeker
[55:16] right after
[55:20] » takes a village.
>> I know.
[55:21] » Yeah.
>> Love it. Good point.
[55:25] » Whereas the planning board acknowledges
that the data recovery plan may result
[55:29] in limited disturbance but has
determined that the disturbance will not
[55:32] result in a significant environmental
impact with respect to secret. Yes.
[55:36] » Very good.
>> Perfect.
[55:37] » That sounds good to me.
>> Excellent. Nice job. Okay.
[55:40] » Michael would like it.
>> Yes. Yes.
[55:43] » We're going to find out.
>> All right. So,
[55:47] » here.
>> Any other comments?
[55:48] » He's watching.
>> No. You know what? It may theoretically,
[55:52] but I think this covers your texting.
>> I think it's better to say it than
[55:58] » Right. And again, this is not even the
for the site plan. This is just a study
[56:02] because OPRHP demands it. Yeah,
>> Mr. Renia, any comments?
[56:08] » Uh, no, I think that sounds very good.
>> Okay, good.
[56:10] » And did it I would agree it's a
standalone project if you would.
[56:14] » Right. Right. It's outside of the Yeah.
Okay. Uh, any more comments on the
[56:19] board?
>> No comments.
[56:20] » Okay. And, uh, Mr. Ve.
>> Okay. Resolution to authorize phase 3
[56:26] recovery plan. Uh, resolution 2019 39Q.
Whereas, whereas, whereas now therefore
[56:34] be resolved that the planning board
hereby authorizes the implementation
[56:38] of the phase 3 archaeological
data recovery plan subject to uh receipt
[56:44] of OPRHP's
written authorization
[56:49] of said phase three plan.
>> And go ahead and read into the record,
[56:53] Henry.
Whereas the planning board acknowledges
[56:56] that the data recovery plan may result
in limited disturbance but has
[57:00] determined that the disturbance will not
result in a significant environmental
[57:03] impact with respect to seeker.
>> Second.
[57:07] » Is there any discussion?
All in favor please say I.
[57:11] » I.
>> Any nays or absention? Motion carries
[57:14] unanimously. Thank you everybody.
>> Uh may I get a motion to adjurnn?
[57:18] » So moved.
>> Second.
[57:20] » All in favor please say I.
>> I.
[57:21] » I.
>> Thank you all. That was lovely. Thank
[57:24] you. Thank you. Easy.