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[1:22] Welcome you to our Hyde Park City Council Meeting for July 8th. We appreciate you coming.
[1:33] We'll have our opening prayer
[1:41] or a thought and pledge by Councilmember Osborne.
[1:52] I dare kind to help me bothers. We gather here as a city council of the city of Hyde Park. We ask for guidance and direction. And listening here as we
[2:04] We discuss issues within our city and make decisions moving forward and pray that we
[2:10] might make those decisions that will be best for our community.
[2:15] We're grateful for this country that we have to live in and to enjoy the freedoms that
[2:22] we do and we're thankful for those that have dedicated their lives to protecting those freedoms.
[2:30] We ask for blessings to be upon our citizens with the things that they need and
[2:38] they will be mindful of those that we can help. These things we pray for in the
[2:43] name of thy Son, Jesus Christ. Amen. We please stand and follow me in the pledge.
[3:13] And when I say the audience, thank you, Frank, for coming.
[3:22] It's a for a very blessed that way in that country. So the next item of business is to review
[3:33] the meeting minutes from July 24th. And if you look at that,
[3:42] you'll notice that it also
[3:47] So how
[3:54] did the joint meeting with it?
[3:58] Yes.
[3:59] Right before it.
[4:00] So if
[4:04] you would, let's do those two separate items.
[4:08] The first one being the joint meeting, the workshop with planning commission.
[4:14] Dave, do you have any comments?
[4:15] I do not.
[4:16] Good.
[4:17] Yes.
[4:17] It's Stephanie.
[4:18] No.
[4:18] I don't care, Mayor, I was not in attendance, so I think it all sustained from voting on this.
[4:27] Sustain, we're upstain.
[4:28] Upstain.
[4:29] You can vote if it's grammatically correct.
[4:32] Um, Curt, Tiffany.
[4:38] No comments from me.
[4:39] Okay.
[4:40] I would look for a mostly to approve the workshop session from
[4:51] Jilla jute
[4:52] June 24th. There we go. June 24th. I
[4:59] Move we accept it
[5:00] Got a motion from Kurt is your second. Second from Dave in your discussion
[5:07] All one favor, say aye.
[5:10] Aye.
[5:10] Any opposed with nay?
[5:14] How about let's review the City Council meeting minutes from the same night?
[5:21] Does anyone have any comment?
[5:28] If there's no comment, I would look for a motion to approve the meeting minutes from June 24th.
[5:36] So moved.
[5:37] The motion from Dave and the second from Kirk in you more discussion
[5:44] All those in favor say aye. Hi in your pose with the motion carries
[5:52] 4-0 is that correct with with
[5:57] Geryl obscene because you're what the here
[6:02] The next item is to approve the agenda I
[6:07] I don't have any other comments to add to it if you don't counsel.
[6:13] That we accept the agenda is written.
[6:17] Got motion from Stephanie.
[6:19] Second.
[6:19] I'll second.
[6:20] Second from Geralt.
[6:23] Any discussion?
[6:26] All in favor say aye.
[6:28] Aye.
[6:29] Any opposed with nay?
[6:33] Motion carried 5-0.
[6:35] So now is the time we open it up to residents for comment and we ask them to list with it
[6:46] to three minutes and it's not on the item, it's currently on the agenda, so we'll open
[6:54] it up and it says I'm on the timer, yeah, I guess if I'm the only one here can I take six
[7:02] minutes?
[7:03] That's up to the mayor.
[7:04] Sit down in between.
[7:05] All right.
[7:05] I just have two quick items here. I've got a set of photographs I'd like to connect to you.
[7:17] And these are on from Center Street and Main Street intersection.
[7:21] And I'd like to, when we're done, leave the set with the table over there.
[7:27] If you would, so that they can look at them.
[7:30] I want passes this past week, and that's a problem.
[7:33] it is a problem and those that third picture those two little two little trees
[7:40] were this high five years ago and last year they became almost impossible to
[7:46] see pass and this year they're turning into real trees.
[7:53] Is that the code or a
[7:55] police thing? I figure the police don't have to go to crash there and if somebody
[8:05] with the back coat goes down there, it'll be taken care of.
[8:10] I've got a minute, two minutes left.
[8:12] What else do you want to cover, Frank?
[8:14] Yeah.
[8:14] Okay.
[8:15] I don't know if you guys have seen why the
[8:22] Park Lane is called the Velvet Highway.
[8:26] But I ran across this picture the other day.
[8:31] It was not the Velvet Highway when I was a young man.
[8:34] It was called the Green Velvet Highway.
[8:35] That's right, right there.
[8:38] That's so cool.
[8:39] That is pretty cool.
[8:42] That's kind of true.
[8:43] That's cows from the bottom to the top.
[8:46] If you look down the right-hand side of the road, you'll see some poles.
[8:50] That's the power poles.
[8:52] If you look down the left-hand side, you'll see poles.
[8:55] That was the telephone lines.
[8:56] There were 30 lines coming into Hyde Park at that time.
[9:00] That's all the telephone lines there were coming into town.
[9:03] I don't know when this was, this was back, no, no, this goes way, this goes way back,
[9:08] bailing me. This has got to be back in the 30s, 40s, maybe you can have, you can keep
[9:19] that. I, yeah, I wanted you guys to have those because I, we have some stoppage time for you.
[9:27] And I, the other day I was thinking,
[9:29] can we keep that one?
[9:30] Yeah, you can keep those.
[9:34] My dad would, I don't know what it would be like,
[9:36] driving cows down that highway now,
[9:38] trying to get around that round about.
[9:42] I will say, I was the last one to ride a horse
[9:45] after the cows across the highway for Dan Russ cows.
[9:49] Well, we used to drive them.
[9:51] I'd drive a herd across the highway.
[9:54] and I would stop two, three cars seven, seven, thirty in the morning, four, thirty in the afternoon, I'd stop two or three cars coming along the highway as my cows crossed the highway.
[10:08] So every time I go down to that intersection without fail, I think what the heck would my dad think of this intersection now?
[10:15] Well, at least the cows that go through the traffic circle said to stop and wind up, you know, it's just gone.
[10:21] Frank, did you have another intersection you wanted to discuss?
[10:25] I just wanted to say what a handsome man you are and I'm glad you live with my neighborhood.
[10:30] Okay, can that be part of the record?
[10:31] Can that be part of the minutes?
[10:35] Frank, you are giving this to us also?
[10:38] Oh, we'd love to hang this up.
[10:40] Thank you.
[10:41] Carol, did you make a motion on his saying that you're a good man?
[10:46] Yes.
[10:55] You kept it under time.
[10:57] You kept it under time.
[10:59] You did good.
[11:01] I think, technically, you have two items.
[11:06] Well, Frank, it's good to see you here.
[11:10] Do we have any other comment for the public input?
[11:13] But having no other public here, and Frank took both of his,
[11:19] we'll close the public input.
[11:26] Chief, did you see the intersection?
[11:30] Is that like, it's on center and main corner.
[11:38] And I would suggest that it's probably not the only intersection
[11:41] in town where we have similar issues.
[11:46] And we have many sidewalks that have bushes hanging out into the sidewalk.
[11:55] I feel like I need to go walking with my clippers and my pockets.
[12:12] So I know there's a code requirement for the intersection being able to have like visibility, but I don't know if that is probably coded for us with thing right now.
[12:26] Yeah, we'll pass this off to the co-inforcement officer. He can go out and investigate the intersection and determine if codes are being violated and if they are, we'll contact the property owners and get them fixed.
[12:35] Yeah, because I noticed that last week I rarely come in over that way, but I'd like, oh my heck, I got pulled out into the intersection.
[12:44] I shouldn't see parcels bluscious in the requirement.
[12:48] I think on corner lots is pretty significant.
[12:50] Yeah, so it would be more than just these two trees.
[12:53] It's 3035 feet each way.
[12:55] Yeah, and so.
[12:57] All right, we'll get our business portion.
[13:02] Mark, does do you have anything?
[13:05] I just had one thing I wanted to bring up in the staff report.
[13:10] There's a quick update or the RFP for our master transportation and parks plan is
[13:18] Currently open all entries are due by end of day tomorrow
[13:22] Currently, we have scheduled we have to have the bid awarded on July 22nd at the city council meeting
[13:29] However, we're getting a lot of requests for agenda spots on the 22nd
[13:34] And so I was hoping to ask the council if we could take some time in our general plan work session to
[13:40] to maybe start going through the RFP responses,
[13:45] maybe use the work, some of the work session time to do that
[13:48] so we can hopefully speed up the selection process
[13:50] and the actual city council meeting.
[13:55] I'm his favorite.
[13:56] Yeah, let's do that.
[13:58] Okay.
[13:58] Have you received any proposals back?
[14:01] Yeah, I know.
[14:02] No, I've had lots of questions, lots of inquiries,
[14:06] lots of interest, but I have not received any proposals yet.
[14:09] Okay.
[14:11] Chief, do you have anything?
[14:15] I do.
[14:16] I had my recap for June that I was going to present,
[14:20] as well as this weekend with the July 4 fireworks
[14:23] that I was going to update, everybody on.
[14:28] I'll try to be quick with it.
[14:30] For June, the department had 548 calls that came in.
[14:36] Out of that, 409 were in North Logan
[14:39] and 139 were in Hyde Park.
[14:41] So it worked out to be about 25% of the calls were Hyde Park type calls of that
[14:47] 25% or of that 139 58 of those were non-priority type calls. So your animal
[14:55] a loss and problems. This was an assist to vehicle abandon.
[15:00] And they've been inspections. And that's what that non-priority worked out to be 41%, basically, of that 139. The rest of the calls were priority calls, 58% of them. And as you look down through our highest numbers of those were your accident, property damage, and then your alarm insurance, our insurance alarms on that that we responded to. We did have some other pretty serious calls this month.
[15:29] We had a rape investigation that we're working on that we had another sex offense that we were working
[15:35] We had a automobile theft and then several medicals as you look down through that list
[15:41] there that we handled
[15:44] Wanted to point out to the citations. So in addition to the 548 calls the department had
[15:51] 315 traffic stops that they made between North Logan and Hyde Park for Hyde Park
[15:56] We had 24 citations or stops that resulted in citations and 51 additional stops resulted in warnings.
[16:07] So for total of 75 stops out of that's 115.
[16:12] I also was curious to see where we stand as far as apartment with criminal arrests.
[16:19] So in 2025 we had 257 criminal arrests that the department made.
[16:23] So your domestic violence, your thefts, your trespassing, your DUIs, your drugs, your rape,
[16:31] your sex offenses, those things all count as criminal offenses.
[16:36] Through the end of June, this year, we're at 104.
[16:41] So slightly lower than what we were last year on that, but still pretty much in that same
[16:47] area.
[16:47] We're keeping track pretty much on that.
[16:50] So that's where we're sitting with that.
[16:53] By way of update as well coming up in August we start with our deer abatement program again.
[16:59] We have the trap that arrived two day actually so we have two more on order.
[17:04] The first one we ordered before we talked and it is arrived so we can get that set up.
[17:10] We need to set up a time with Mark where we can figure out exactly where we're going to
[17:14] put that and so we can have that in place August 1 to start.
[17:18] Do we need to get a new list of volunteers or we just go from a list we gave you?
[17:26] We'll probably just go from the list that we have we had it was a it was a big list on that so
[17:33] We're seeing progress with that like said with the trap that we're talking about
[17:37] I think that will actually see the progress this year on that and I should be able to then that heard
[17:44] So when can we start tracking?
[17:46] I guess one yep and do we have how many we can take so over the course of
[17:54] three years we have 120 that we can take so last year we weren't able to take
[17:58] Annie on that so for two years now we can we can take 60 this year 60 next
[18:04] store however that falls and take all of them this year yep we can't take more
[18:09] than 120 though on that that's what our limit is from the detail we don't take
[18:16] So do we have a estimate of how many there are, is there anybody guessing?
[18:23] When we were putting this together, it'd be two years ago now, on that, their estimate
[18:30] was lower than what we were thinking.
[18:31] They were thinking less than 200 on there.
[18:36] I've got one.
[18:37] You know, within half a block of where I am, I counted them walk by my heart.
[18:42] Which is partially where that limit came from of the 120.
[18:44] That was their numbers that they put together and said this is what will allow keep in mind
[18:48] This is that then they heard for hard part and to and for dog Logan, right
[18:54] So this is the mine so yeah, yeah, so we're on top of it. We'll keep
[19:03] Keep everybody up to date on when that happens, but at least we have some of the equipment
[19:08] We have two more traps are in order. They take several weeks to build on that
[19:12] they have been ordered and they should be here by August, August one from what
[19:16] we've been told. Is the intent to put both of them down at marks? Well, we have
[19:20] three that we're going to implement this year on that. So whether we put the
[19:24] two at marks or whether we put, you know, spread it out, I don't know just yet.
[19:30] Okay, but there's probably enough at marks to put off three there to be honest.
[19:34] And whatever's there probably impacts both cities. I'm sure. I mean that's a good
[19:38] It's a good location to have an impact on both North Logan, and I think it might be great back and forth between the two.
[19:44] Rather than on the outskirts of the north or south boundary of one of the cities, so.
[19:49] Yeah, exactly.
[19:51] As far as recap with this weekend, this last weekend from, we're looking specifically from July 2nd until July 5th with the fireworks span.
[20:02] North Logan had no fireworks span and we had a partial in that restricted area.
[20:07] nothing west of 200 west and nothing east of 100 east on that so during those
[20:12] couple of days Hyde Park had six calls at that our department handled four of
[20:19] those calls ended up being people that were seeing the fireworks go off and
[20:23] they approved that yeah the fireworks show on that one of those was
[20:29] outside the the restricted area which resulted in a citation and one of those
[20:34] was reported a suspect in a truck that had set off an aerial and then took off.
[20:40] We weren't able to get a plate, we weren't able to apprehend that guy.
[20:44] So the four approved one citation out of that four high park and one unknown.
[20:51] Three additional calls were reported in North Logan.
[20:54] So out of that three, one resulted in a citation, one resulted in a warrant arrest on that.
[21:01] We ended up arresting that person involved with shooting off there and then one
[21:07] Saw the fireworks in the approved zone. So that would have been the second show. Yeah
[21:13] That he was concerned about but it was in that approved zone
[21:16] And so really you have the one citation and the one arrest
[21:20] in North Logan with that. So
[21:23] Calmer than it was in years past on that
[21:27] Still concerning with people shooting off fireworks
[21:32] So yeah, that's that's what I have for you.
[21:35] Thank you.
[21:36] I'll just say mayor.
[21:37] I know this is on our agenda for a little later discussion but it's come to my attention
[21:43] and I think the attention to the city council that fireworks by state code doesn't include
[21:51] sparklers, poppers, snakes, those kinds of things and that's the way when I looked at it
[21:58] that I understand it and so I guess my question is,
[22:03] when we say no fireworks outside of that zone,
[22:07] some people are gonna say, well, that's everything.
[22:12] That's, you can't do anything.
[22:13] And others who've done some homework are gonna say,
[22:16] well, I can do sparklers in my driveway.
[22:19] And you know, some of these little poppers and things
[22:21] because they don't fall within the Utah Code definition
[22:25] of explosive device or fireworks though.
[22:28] I think that's what's going on the citation
[22:32] from Hyde Park.
[22:33] It was sparklers or something.
[22:35] Yeah.
[22:36] And that will be probably, if that's the case,
[22:40] it will be dismissed.
[22:42] Okay.
[22:43] And I don't know.
[22:44] I have what did to it.
[22:45] Governor's order that he put out, I believe, said anything.
[22:49] And sparklers that were longer than 12 inches were illegal.
[22:54] legal. Sparklers under that 12 inches would have been allowed on that. But there's also
[23:01] a caveat with that where the cities can restrict and go tighter than that particular restriction
[23:06] than the governor's order and according to whatever is recommended by the local fire
[23:14] enterprises or institutions. Well, I'll bring it up as we talk later.
[23:24] Anything else,
[23:24] glad that it was a calm, fourth of July and we're going to be discussing fireworks later
[23:30] on again.
[23:31] So, from me, I know the next couple of meetings who have got some full agendas and so please
[23:44] be aware we've got a lot of the things happening on July 29, 22nd, 22nd, 22nd and then
[23:56] And then August 12, we got a lot to cover both those days, so be watching the box to
[24:06] be seeing those.
[24:10] Other than that, we'll move on to the next item.
[24:16] Consider ordinance 2026, dash 12 with ordinance establishing a temporary land use regulation
[24:24] imposing 180-day moratorium on specified landscaping and related development due to drought
[24:33] conditions. What I'm really wanting to see if the council would consider is a landscape
[24:42] moratorium because if people put in sod right now it has to use a lot of water and we're not in
[24:57] a dire strait for water but I just I'm wanting to look into what if we have a problem next
[25:09] to bring to so the proactively that's what that is about so we have to have a
[25:17] public hearing on that no no but I do have an update from the city attorney if
[25:23] you would like to hear okay so I was reviewing this this morning and I had a
[25:33] question for the city attorneys I called them and as we were looking at it
[25:37] together. He said that the real crux of the moratorium as it's written right
[25:44] now is reference to municipal water improvement project and that's probably a
[25:52] product of this being taken largely from our last moratorium but our city
[25:58] attorney's concern was if we take that part out where the city does not have a
[26:03] critical infrastructure problem right now, and he's nervous that this would not hold up
[26:10] if the city were to get challenged on it by somebody.
[26:12] Well, what about the critical infrastructure is we have not got the well running yet.
[26:18] Right, but the well is on our 10-year master plan.
[26:20] It's not something that we needed to have right now.
[26:24] So, you know, if we adopt it under the drought conditions with the governor, what they've
[26:30] to put out, how can you not do that?
[26:33] Right, but the city's already declared water restrictions.
[26:35] We have other ways that we can control it.
[26:37] And so that's it.
[26:39] He just said, it doesn't feel like there's enough teeth in it.
[26:42] Where if somebody were to challenge the moratorium,
[26:45] he's not sure that the city could defend it.
[26:47] It's where to go to legal action.
[26:49] I'll just put it on the record as mayor.
[26:51] I think that's a very weak answer from our attorney.
[26:55] Because the governor has declared a state of emergency
[26:58] with the drought conditions, that should be sufficient.
[27:02] Right, and in response to that, we took other measures to try and curb the water usage.
[27:07] Water usage, but in new landscape development for new houses,
[27:12] it's only going to affect a few, but if they have a semi-load of sod coming up,
[27:17] they got to water it every day.
[27:20] When was the last ticket or citation we gave for
[27:24] are watering outside of two days a week, never.
[27:30] Okay, I think that's a weak answer,
[27:35] but that's the extent of my vote.
[27:39] Well, as I looked at, I guess my question is,
[27:43] what does this really look like?
[27:44] Because our code says that developers
[27:52] will have education
[27:54] programs and subdivisions for water-wise stuff. Are we doing that even? That when people come in
[28:01] to sign up for utilities, if that's when they're told some things about landscaping and stuff,
[28:08] and I'm thinking maybe that's too late because they've already ordered stuff. I guess my question,
[28:14] what does this really look like? And maybe if the concern is sod, then maybe it ought to address
[28:22] that specifically, but if someone's wanting to put, you know, gravel chips, all this water-wise
[28:30] kinds of things that we ask for in the code, and say, hey, I'll put in my sod next spring.
[28:37] I mean, last thing I knew, what gravel and chips don't require water.
[28:43] Well, that's what I'm saying, is that if they were to do everything in their landscape minus
[28:48] this, whatever it is, the 45%, the 50% front and side yard lawn, if they did everything
[28:55] else, wouldn't we kind of want that rather than just weeds growing and will do around
[29:01] the New York for the next month?
[29:03] You got to find chips and rocks or you put them bushes and also planting during the heat
[29:08] is a really bad idea.
[29:11] So true, but that's their choice if they want to do it.
[29:15] I mean, that's all I'm saying, Mayor, is that I get the sod part of it if you're trying to put in sod right now, but the rest of the landscaping is just a specified landscaping.
[29:33] So, you know, there's certain requirements that the city has that you have to have your landscaping in within.
[29:40] I don't believe the city any city holds a a new house builder homeowner hand in in that it's in our code the
[29:53] other ways, principles, all of those things are out there.
[30:00] I don't believe the cities went up to measure to see the new houses that put in too much thought either. I don't know that the city is at the point where we've ever approved a landscape design that's residential. So, if, if the council wants to do this, they, you know, we can continue and refine it.
[30:33] if you want to go with legal and it's your option.
[30:44] One thing I just think of, we have two schools with big grassy areas.
[30:51] I don't know what point they're going to plant seed or wood.
[30:56] Both of them have secondary.
[30:58] Both of them have secondary,
[31:05] but they're not good to use secondary.
[31:12] I don't really mind me, does this ordinance they can put it in if they have secondary?
[31:19] It really doesn't define, I don't think it addresses secondary.
[31:25] It addresses things, it's in like this paragraph right here, city council finds mitigating the
[31:31] droughts impact on the city's water system and preventing further non-essential water usage
[31:35] that may stretch damage or overwhelm the city's water system as a compelling kind of ruling public interest.
[31:41] So it's all about things that could put a stress on the city's system.
[31:44] It does not address things that may stress secondary water system, not
[31:49] owned or maintained by the city.
[31:55] And even when I sent out, we recommended older and ordering twice.
[32:01] That was my recommendation to put that into a mandate is how skilled from you.
[32:06] Do you want to continue this kind of discussion or should we brush to the side, council?
[32:17] I
[32:19] think it's important to help people understand that now is not the time to put in sod or extensive landscape.
[32:35] Marcus, do we able to determine the number of properties that would maybe be doing yard work?
[32:43] I couldn't get an exact number,
[32:47] but essentially if again, we're following the code which we tend to think that maybe this is what the old townfield Hyde Park is, we write codes and we ignore them and do whatever we want to do, I don't agree with that, but this I think would generally apply only to new construction.
[33:07] Yeah, I mean, so the numbers that we're talking about is all you have to do is kind of take a look at how many building permits we have approved in the last year.
[33:18] And at some point they ought to be in the process of finishing those and selling those and owners coming in and out on the landscape.
[33:25] So I mean, it's whatever that number is, it's probably in the 30s, 40s, 50s.
[33:30] What do you do about 48-year?
[33:33] Yeah, I was going to say 35-40-year.
[33:35] And if you do it for 180 days, and the planting season,
[33:40] 180 day puts it out to spring or winter.
[33:47] So you're actually enacting a moratorium
[33:49] for the next three months, 90 days,
[33:54] because nobody saw it in the November.
[33:57] So if you put that out there, you
[33:59] might affect a whole bunch of 10 homes, but...
[34:05] Well, and if we need to in the spring, we can revisit this.
[34:13] We have another winter like we did.
[34:16] Yeah.
[34:17] And I guess as I read that and kind of go back to your comment
[34:20] earlier, Mayor, do we as a city approve new landscaping?
[34:27] Do we issue permits?
[34:28] I mean, I took out all my sod a couple years ago in my front yard
[34:32] and it's wood ships and landscaping and only for commercial and industrial.
[34:39] So I guess my point is is that I didn't know I needed to come in and have that approved
[34:43] by the city and does anybody know that and if we don't require it, then yes we do my
[34:52] adress you can come by and cite me if you're not getting approval.
[34:55] We do not have a requirement what this looks like.
[34:58] We don't have a requirement for single-family homes to have a landscaping permit, that's not something that we required in our code.
[35:07] In our landscaping codes, when we did the commercial industrial, that kind of stuff, there was a lot of shells.
[35:19] And in the residential, it should.
[35:25] So should don't need a plan from approved by the site, the city, shelves do.
[35:36] So council at that time.
[35:37] So now we're saying this would only apply to commercial and this means gateway won't be
[35:44] putting in any landscaping around the tickle ball courts until next spring.
[35:48] No, this would apply for all of our residential because
[35:54] those unless you're on secondary water system,
[35:58] which we don't govern.
[35:59] Right, and that's kind of my question, Mayor.
[36:03] What does this really look like?
[36:04] We don't require anybody to do it now.
[36:06] There's a bunch of sheds, and we're gonna say,
[36:09] well, we're not gonna approve.
[36:12] We never have, we don't issue permits for residential.
[36:17] We don't have to authorize their new landscaping.
[36:19] So is this something new and different?
[36:22] What it would look like with some of these issues of building permit, they'd also get
[36:27] a notice that there's a moratorium in effect for landscape, that's how you notify
[36:33] the builder who's the contractor for the homeowner.
[36:39] Another question that we as City staff had is how far do you want us to take it?
[36:45] This paragraph right here is second to last.
[36:47] Just, it says City Council finds it is in the public's interest to issue a temporary
[36:54] line-to-stregulation prohibiting the approval, issuance of permits for, or construction
[36:58] of landscaping, irrigation systems, green space improvements, and other site improvements
[37:03] requiring additional municipal water until, and then there's the entails.
[37:09] That sounds a lot like not letting people put new water meters in.
[37:15] Well, this document was copied from something that Mayor Wheeler enacted some time ago.
[37:24] And it definitely could be approved and find a better moratorium or just if staff had
[37:37] an issue, they should look it up and find it.
[37:41] No, we don't have an issue.
[37:42] We just want to know how far did you want us to take this?
[37:44] Why
[37:50] 180? Because that's what the state allows. By statute, any temporary
[37:57] landage regulation can go up to 180 days. See, after three months, I think they
[38:04] can put it inside in less impact on our block. Well, in three months, you know, we
[38:11] be getting into that fall. They might do it then, but the 180 days, the state
[38:18] It requires that whatever the reason we enacted a moratorium, we have to have a planned
[38:27] device to come out of that moratorium.
[38:33] There are quantifiable things that allow you to enact a moratorium and perhaps that's
[38:41] question for League of Cities too that they might could help us it is this it so so if we if we
[38:50] go 180 we're pushing it into next year like you said yep what did we gain by stopping a few from
[38:59] doing it now you gain not stressing our current aquifer well but next thing and you may end up have
[39:10] You have to read, you may, yeah, you could, or we could get 300 in since the snow, we don't, yeah, it's, that's the game.
[39:20] I just, yeah, if we have 30 this year and 30 next year and the 30 this year gets pushed, so I kind of like the idea of like in the fall is a good time to plant and it's not as hot.
[39:37] Maybe we just need to look at this.
[39:40] That's what I think.
[39:42] The only way we can do it is by saying that you only
[39:45] give a bother two days a week.
[39:47] And if you plant new soil, that's going to burn.
[39:51] And then for some, if we, it's my recommendation
[39:57] in the newsletter that two days a week,
[40:00] you have to pass something that says this is what it is
[40:03] and give it the teeth so it can be enforced.
[40:06] So
[40:11] maybe maybe the slow the flow people have something that we can get but and they send
[40:21] us something back under agreement we need to get moving with them.
[40:30] Should we continue
[40:32] talking about I think you need to talk about water but not take an action on this tonight.
[40:40] I would feel comfortable just kind of,
[40:46] I could even help on some research or whatever,
[40:48] and try to feel a little more informed
[40:52] before we report on this.
[40:54] Okay.
[40:55] That's how it is.
[40:56] I just want me to get in your forefront.
[40:57] Okay.
[40:58] Is that a
[41:03] motion, since it's an item on there,
[41:11] motion dies with, does it really continue this?
[41:14] Well, continue means it'll be brought back up
[41:17] but it's a moratorium, but it can die
[41:24] with no motion, and then a moratorium doesn't come up, but water should.
[41:32] We could move to table it, which essentially means we're not going to talk about this anymore.
[41:38] When I table things, it's coming up the next meeting, because table it means kicking it down the road, and it should be a water discussion, perhaps.
[41:47] If we're tabling it, then we want input from slow to slow people if we get into that agreement.
[41:57] We don't want to just keep kicking it.
[42:03] So is there a motion to table it?
[42:06] To hopefully next time when we get input?
[42:14] Question four.
[42:15] If we proceed with this,
[42:24] not sure how to ask this,
[42:33] can we, it'll, if we table it, it
[42:37] comes back, this very one, no, it comes back as, we're going to come back it and then
[42:45] do this.
[42:47] Well, if you give us direction, we can do whatever you want us to do.
[42:50] If you want me to take it back to the city attorney, redraft it to match more of what our current conditions are
[42:56] So that a little more comfortable with it. Great. I can do that if you just want to keep it at the forefront as a conversation piece
[43:02] We could do that if you want me to reach out to the slow-to-flow people because we did sign the deal with them and
[43:08] We're gonna be starting a public outreach and some other stuff with them hopefully as soon as next week
[43:14] And you want to wait for that?
[43:16] We can do that
[43:17] We just need you to tell us what you want to do
[43:19] That's what went out in the news letter, but it has.
[43:22] No, we don't have that, we haven't passed that.
[43:25] No, if we pass that, does that take care of this?
[43:28] I think it does.
[43:31] Well, I think that's a whole different.
[43:32] I'm going to think twice about putting sod in.
[43:35] If I can only water twice, when it's 90 degrees to 100.
[43:39] I think that has to be a different resolution,
[43:41] because that wasn't advertised in this.
[43:45] I'm really sure.
[43:45] If you look at that suggestion, if you'd rather throw this out and we rewrite a resolution
[43:54] to actually put in water restrictions, we can do that too.
[43:59] To me, that makes more sense because that impacts residents across the board and not the
[44:08] 30 or 40 people who are ready to do their landscape in their new construction this summer
[44:14] in fall. They're probably not going to put new sod in as you stated if they can only
[44:19] water a couple of times a week, but it still allows them to put in water-wise plants
[44:25] and, you know, the trees that they may want to have with minimal watering. I mean, watering
[44:32] some water-wise plants versus watering, you know, the 10,000 square feet of sod is,
[44:42] you
[44:46] What do we want to distinguish between city water and canal water?
[44:53] We already have. This is the only thing. I don't think we have a say in canal water.
[44:58] or canal waters, yeah.
[45:00] The whole different issue, we have no control over that. When it says the city water system, that's talking to us. And Marcus, I'm looking again. We looked earlier. Tanks are full again, so I don't know how many, what's our GPM? I don't know. I don't know. Top of my head. Yeah, I know I look. We have a good flow. Tell me now the spring. I'm just wanting to lean more leaning into concern for next year than I am worried about this year.
[45:31] how's that? And I appreciate that, Mary. Hey, that's good. I also think Geralt had a good point earlier if we just tell the people this fall or this summer.
[45:42] Well, you can do it next year, and now we have twice as many people next year, and maybe it's even worse next year.
[45:47] And we just, how long do we keep rolling this? And you can only have a moratorium for someone.
[45:52] So to move this, I think what I'm hearing is the council would like more input from perhaps
[46:04] slow the flow, people, perhaps somebody from the league might have something.
[46:12] We ought to research what other cities have done, and if the governor's watcher declaration
[46:23] helps cover us legally, and move, have that come up for the stretch in the next time.
[46:32] That sounds...
[46:33] That's not North Logan, and they have a mandatory twice.
[46:38] Yep.
[46:39] We don't think.
[46:39] Yep, so it wouldn't be like, would be the only ones in town, you know, in the valley doing this kind of thing, right?
[46:46] Okay.
[46:49] So, a motion to table it with those items?
[46:53] Yeah, I would make that motion, for sure.
[46:56] A motion you can read, look at it.
[46:58] A second?
[46:58] A motion from Darrell, the second from Kurt.
[47:01] More discussion?
[47:05] Yes.
[47:06] Okay.
[47:06] by table in it. This that allow us to make changes as we desire to this. Yes.
[47:18] As long as it's advertised with those changes, I think. Yeah. So it still be a more
[47:22] authoritarian. Yeah. So any more discussion?
[47:31] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
[47:35] And he was opposed with nay, motion carried 5-0.
[47:42] The next item is to consider the option for fireworks to remain during the year.
[47:51] Yeah. The governors fireworks ban was for two through five July. Yeah. Pull those up. Marcus. I'm looking back.
[48:08] Don, you managed to find the actual executive order. So got that on the screen. What's that? Don, you managed to find the actual executive order from the government.
[48:15] Oh, yeah. I have that.
[48:16] out there. But did you get the letter from the state force too?
[48:22] We have that in here too. Okay.
[48:27] Does it allow us to impose,
[48:34] okay, that's a real small screen.
[48:36] I'm going to pull it up here.
[48:40] What paragraph is that, Marcus?
[48:43] So I just circled and it's like the middle of page two. It talks about how there's a Utah
[48:49] uh, code that authorizes the discharge of fireworks around Independence Day and, uh,
[48:57] Pioneer Day, the holidays.
[49:00] Well, I, I see in their, yeah, paragraph seven that, you know, they're going to re-look
[49:06] this again for July 22nd through the 25th.
[49:10] Mm-hmm.
[49:11] And so, you know, whatever decision we make tonight could be overruled and or, you know,
[49:17] So the chatter is they're going to be doing the same thing what what they allow on the last one is the government
[49:25] Band them outright for
[49:28] State properties and unincorporated counties
[49:32] Then he allowed cities
[49:35] if they had safe areas
[49:38] to
[49:41] Declare those and they have to be
[49:45] sent into the state if they have a declared area for fireworks. It's only going to get
[49:55] hotter and drier. The last one I came up with what the fire chief, Smithville Fire
[50:04] Jeremy said, leaning more towards going even more conservative and saying, in
[50:16] exempt cities from their fireworks, but no discharge of any fireworks in the city,
[50:24] it's going to be hotter and drier. And with that do we include sparklers of
[50:31] anyone? As defined by the state. Let the state define what fireworks are. And if the state says.
[50:42] So yeah, this was brought up at our last meeting and the council asked to have it brought up again.
[50:47] We didn't end up having any resolutions written because the day after we had that meeting,
[50:52] the governor made this announcement. Donia did a great job looking all around the valley to see
[50:57] other cities are doing. I don't think you found any other cities who had done an official resolution.
[51:02] Logan City did have some kind of declaration.
[51:11] So all I'm asking is on this, if they come out with something, which they likely will,
[51:21] rather than giving the city latitude, I'm more in line with
[51:29] out right. North Logan had a ban, because they have Logan City Fire Chief. Logan City
[51:37] had a ban, so North Logan had it. And even if our fire chief said you could have the
[51:45] same safe zone,
[51:50] hotter and drier, I'm just worried about that.
[51:55] Not might have been confusing to some. I know I looked at it and addresses seem to be a little
[52:02] confusing. I was not sure if they were county addresses. I don't know if it was high park
[52:08] city addresses. Well the map only identified property in the high park, the ice. So I'm
[52:20] Okay, with that mayor, I mean, I've kind of joked
[52:22] that there weren't any bombs bursting in air
[52:24] when this pioneer is rolled into the valley
[52:26] and, you know, on the 24th and make Utah's only state
[52:30] that says we've got, you know, two weeks of July
[52:34] that we do fireworks and, you know, so.
[52:38] And this wouldn't affect like New Year's.
[52:42] Right, no.
[52:43] Not yet, wouldn't affect what?
[52:45] New Year's?
[52:46] No, we'll talk about that in December.
[52:49] We may not be hot but it could be dry.
[52:54] If I may, real quick, managing wire sparklers under 12 inches in length are not considered
[53:01] fireworks in Utah.
[53:03] They're considered an exempt explosive with anything over 12 inches.
[53:09] So that's what you're talking about here with Governor's order on that.
[53:13] So yeah, 12 inches or less would be allowed or do they even sell them that short?
[53:22] Yeah, well I know they sell a big ones. I bought the shortest for my grandkids
[53:26] that we did and we live in a safe zone by the way so you know I was I was okay
[53:31] they're just don't have a chief come by in my place but you know they were yeah
[53:35] they were the shortest little things but you look in that same consideration though
[53:39] So my kids, when they have that sparkler, they're doing this with them all over and if you're
[53:46] in an area right next to the hillside with that, it's as dangerous if not more than your
[53:51] area is going off.
[53:52] So that's my two cents worth is.
[53:56] But it's controllable by an adult who says, don't run out in the dry grass.
[54:01] You cannot control a model rocket once you buy a rocket.
[54:04] story though. So it comes out to the adults are there. I talked to some girls this weekend actually
[54:09] on the 4th. When I went up to pick up my boy they had four girls out in the park. I'm not ready
[54:14] to shoot out the fireworks. No adults. I'm like no, not doing that.
[54:21] Because that's what comes
[54:22] out to it. The adults are there and monitoring it. It's a different story if they're not I think is
[54:28] As dangerous. Well, I would agree. I would agree. Yeah, it's it's fire. Yeah,
[54:37] so the council okay with
[54:41] If we come out in the outbreak band, you could see if Tiffany. Yeah.
[54:47] Yeah, I think it's for me. I think it's a ban on everything
[54:52] That's just my stance just this year. I think it's easier to enforce and I
[54:59] I would just think that it's cleared everyone. It's everything is banned.
[55:04] I know I heard fireworks going off between my house and your house over the forest.
[55:11] There were for sure fireworks going off.
[55:14] Is that a motion difference?
[55:19] Sure, I'll make that motion. I'll do that.
[55:22] I'll be the bad guy.
[55:24] We don't need the motion. I just want to. I didn't have a lot of time on the last one. So in the governor gave them air. They authority to do it. But I just want to read it by you this time.
[55:37] I think it's good. We just encourage people to save them for the New Year's Eve.
[55:43] It's hard to vote against something like that because if I vote again or that's one thing being
[55:52] voted against it and then we have a fire, it doesn't make me look pretty good. I couldn't support it because of our
[55:59] conditions. I would support a citywide. I support you there. Supporting a ban, you would be a
[56:08] Okay, I think you got it.
[56:11] I've seen too many of those big ones,
[56:13] tip sideways and go off them.
[56:16] You cannot control it.
[56:17] You don't have it there.
[56:17] There's any little bees that you can go
[56:19] a different direction too.
[56:22] Yeah.
[56:24] Okay.
[56:29] Is that a lot different for you as a police force
[56:35] than what you had over the forest?
[56:38] Didn't we do the same thing?
[56:40] Didn't we do?
[56:41] do the same thing. We have a safe zone through high part. Are we still going to have a safe zone? No, I think we're saying the mayor's asking for that right now.
[56:49] So that puts a cut and dry, didn't it? Yeah, and obviously we have the fire chief have his input, but we can, we can just say no on our safe zone on the first west here, lined up with Smithfields.
[57:08] there are six, excuse me, first East lined up with their six East. That's how Jeremy
[57:17] and I said, you know, we looked at it from north to south and figured that inside the
[57:23] city boundaries, it was very green and plush at this time, but it's going to be, you know,
[57:34] couple of weeks from now we're going to have drier conditions.
[57:39] All right, we'll look to take
[57:41] order and I'm sure the government will come up with something really late, but we'll be able
[57:50] to take those or actions immediately.
[58:00] I think people will be watching for it, too. Yeah,
[58:03] Yeah, because it really is his, his band gave me the authority to do that, but having your concurrence on it is better so we can react quicker.
[58:20] It's the next time.
[58:22] All right, the next item is any city business.
[58:29] Yeah, there's, so we have one discussion item, is that what we're talking about?
[58:34] Yep.
[58:35] So as you all know, at the end of August, we have a city council meeting to the 26th.
[58:40] That is a very important meeting.
[58:41] It is our tax increase public hearing.
[58:45] The problem with that meeting is that's the only thing we can have that night.
[58:49] We can't even have another business meeting that night.
[58:51] And so the question for the council is, we have a lot of things happening right now.
[58:55] We already know there's people trying to get things put forward on a city council agenda for that week
[59:00] And so we would just like to inquire about having an additional business meeting sometime that week
[59:06] Is that something the council's interested in doing or do we just tell everybody tough luck?
[59:11] We're only doing the tax hearing that week
[59:15] So like we could do the tax hearing on the 25th? No, we have to do the tax hearing on the 26
[59:21] But what we would do is have a regular city council meeting on the 25th or the 24th or the 27th
[59:29] To have a regular business meeting
[59:42] Once a the to or Tuesday the 25th work
[59:48] It works for me.
[59:50] I think that would work.
[59:56] Does...
[59:57] You have...
[59:58] There's a...
[1:00:00] Just meeting on the 26th and it has to be that only that for that meeting. So regular city council, are you open to having another meeting on the 25th?
[1:00:19] I would be in favor of another meeting. Yeah.
[1:00:25] Yeah.
[1:00:34] Good.
[1:00:35] and 26. Okay. Okay. Anything else on? I was just re-effortize the next two meetings.
[1:00:45] We've got quite a few things that are coming up and with CRA and and back for the and we
[1:01:00] We got Wolf Packway, some discussion to have on that.
[1:01:04] We got Sunrise coming to present.
[1:01:09] Yeah, so some highlights.
[1:01:12] Shriver Foods came and did a work session with our people
[1:01:14] a couple of months ago.
[1:01:15] It looks like they're getting ready
[1:01:16] to submit some actual documents for something
[1:01:19] they want to plan on doing.
[1:01:21] And what they're doing is very time sensitive.
[1:01:25] So we're going to be having some tight deadlines
[1:01:27] for that one.
[1:01:28] As the mayor mentioned, we are gearing up
[1:01:30] to apply for more money to continue our Wolfpack Way Road project and so there's a couple
[1:01:34] deadlines we're going to have to meet Sunrise Engineering. He's going to kind of do a presentation
[1:01:37] for that and then yeah there are some other things that will be announced very shortly that
[1:01:44] will also be happening those nights. Oh and our RFP selection for the 22nd. We have a lot
[1:01:50] of things going on right now and next.
[1:01:56] I'm going to pull it up on my calendar. Can
[1:02:05] you show
[1:02:11] us
[1:02:11] And while before we go there, if I can, on the 26, that didn't show on your calendar,
[1:02:17] but that's when we would typically have our 4th Wednesday work session.
[1:02:23] So, all right, we can't do that either.
[1:02:25] That would be cancelled, so we'd have to do that another day.
[1:02:28] And we could do that on Tuesday, on the Tuesday prior, if we feel like we need to have a work session.
[1:02:34] Or we could do it before a planning commission meeting, because that's our general plan work session.
[1:02:38] We could do it pretty much anytime.
[1:02:40] What's happening on the 22nd again?
[1:02:43] That's the day we're going to be selecting the consultant to do our parks and trails study and we have a few other things happening.
[1:02:51] I think Sunrise is coming in with,
[1:02:57] what was it?
[1:03:00] Joshua's talking about needs to present.
[1:03:05] They're coming on the 12th,
[1:03:11] August 12th, not Sunday.
[1:03:16] On the 15th of this month, I don't know the time yet, but there'll be a groundbreaking
[1:03:25] for something to stone or whatever they call their health.
[1:03:34] I need to give the time thing for Thailand.
[1:03:37] Yeah, we have meeting with him tomorrow.
[1:03:38] You can.
[1:03:40] We can pass from there.
[1:03:40] So on the 15th, hopefully you will do it in the morning before it gets real hot, but they'll
[1:03:46] have a groundbreaking, this is on the medical facility,
[1:03:49] on the Peckway, and I will get you times on that.
[1:03:58] Council, love to have you there.
[1:04:02] That's the only other thing I've got.
[1:04:06] Stephanie, I'm certain you have things.
[1:04:08] I don't have a thing.
[1:04:10] OK.
[1:04:10] Thank you.
[1:04:13] I found it out a few months, so.
[1:04:16] Good.
[1:04:17] Thank you.
[1:04:18] You don't need to, you don't need to.
[1:04:20] Tiffany, do you have anything on the front porch?
[1:04:27] Our next event will be the second Thursday of August.
[1:04:31] And we're doing a summer social.
[1:04:33] So we're going to have lunch and a lunch and some
[1:04:38] two-week-liver spots.
[1:04:40] I don't know if they're good to know you games,
[1:04:41] but interactive type things for people to do.
[1:04:44] We'd like everybody to come, like, come once.
[1:04:48] OK.
[1:04:49] Who's winning?
[1:04:49] I mean, sorry,
[1:04:55] we're driving to Montana, too, so I'll turn it when it's time to leave.
[1:05:01] So, we'll meet tomorrow.
[1:05:03] All right.
[1:05:07] If council has any other comment.
[1:05:10] I just wanted to mention the planning commission has done a lot of good work.
[1:05:16] Looking at updating some of our zones,
[1:05:23] especially looking at the RT and the mixed use, so I don't know if all that's going to
[1:05:30] capture it in minutes, but I know that you're having some good discussions along that line
[1:05:37] and I don't know at what point they'll be coming to us. I don't know if there's anything
[1:05:40] more. Marcus, we need to say about that, but we need to.
[1:05:45] So all the code updates that we had talked about, the City Council wants to do for all of
[1:05:49] our zoning with the help of our intern who's been great.
[1:05:54] We've got them on a little schedule now.
[1:05:56] So the plan is every planning commission meeting will have two public hearings and two discussion
[1:06:01] items, and that will start at the next meeting.
[1:06:04] So there'll be two public hearings to discuss new ordinances.
[1:06:08] And right after the planning commission finishes those, they'll start working on the next two.
[1:06:11] Will he be pushing those changes and presenting the rationale to the City Council so we can get them on our agenda and get them approved as fast as they're approved with them?
[1:06:23] Yeah, I can talk to him about that. We've got a meeting tomorrow to go over the progress and make a plan for getting all these ordinances pushed through. So I'll see if we can get his, he does these little presentations or he talks about all the work that he's done. I'll see if he can come and do those for the City Council.
[1:06:37] He's done a really good job, I listen to the presentation last week and he's awesome.
[1:06:46] I just want to make sure that that's going to move forward in to us and
[1:06:50] make it added to these busy meetings we have over the next couple of months.
[1:06:53] And say, I think to do a lot of good things.
[1:06:55] One of the things that they talked about also over the last month or so is why
[1:07:02] why they are even part of the review for development agreements, because it's essentially
[1:07:10] a legislative action and that's not what they're there for, they're to help us plan and
[1:07:16] you know all the rest of it, so I don't know how that gets to us.
[1:07:20] Well that would be a change, the development agreements, well our public hearings are in
[1:07:30] planning commission we would have to specify that one specifically to be at the city council level and so yeah it's a
[1:07:39] little complicated we were looking at that today actually talking through a couple of things because I think with all
[1:07:45] these code changes we're doing in the end what we're going to have to do is probably update the city's
[1:07:50] approval process as far as who gets to see what yeah especially with the comments of the planning
[1:07:55] and commission about, you know, they want to spend the time, their time working on things
[1:07:59] that they can influence, they can have an impact on.
[1:08:02] And so, at the end of all these changes, probably this winter, we'll get into our land use
[1:08:09] authority tables, and be looking at who's going to be spending their time looking at these
[1:08:12] plants and approving them.
[1:08:14] So we're not wasting anybody's time, who doesn't have to.
[1:08:18] And I'll just, in the Harold journal, the other day that some other cities are putting
[1:08:22] a moratorium on data centers? Do we need to do something like that?
[1:08:28] We're done necessarily.
[1:08:32] Don't we have anybody begging down our door to build a data center?
[1:08:36] But if that's something you wanted to do, we could look into it.
[1:08:41] We're hoping that with the update to our land use table,
[1:08:44] that we can kind of head that off before it becomes an issue.
[1:08:50] And I was just going to say as I interact with the staff and attend some of the development
[1:08:55] review committee meetings that when I saw it happen in this past week at the front window
[1:09:05] with one of our staff that seems to me there's a lot of people who aren't following the code
[1:09:13] or they don't like the code and so if they don't like the answer that they're given from
[1:09:18] staff from a municipal code. They want to talk to somebody else about it. And I suspect a lot of that ends up with the mayor
[1:09:25] and I don't think it's right that the mayor has to deal with this stuff all the time.
[1:09:30] In some of it, there's nothing I can do about it because I'm not in that line of decisions.
[1:09:38] So I guess, and I see it, it seems like week after week where we, to some degree, the last couple of weeks involved the visionary and development agreement stuff that I just, I would hope that is a city council that we would have the backs of our staff when they're enforcing the codes.
[1:10:05] and at some point, I don't know how it works,
[1:10:09] but maybe they just need to say,
[1:10:11] we'll call Dave Fowles on the City Council,
[1:10:13] or any one of us, right?
[1:10:15] Because they're the ones that can change the code
[1:10:18] and because I just see that hours and hours,
[1:10:22] that our residents are paying our staff
[1:10:25] to go round and round and over and over again
[1:10:28] with the same thing.
[1:10:29] When I said these DRC meetings and it's the same thing
[1:10:32] that they showed before and there's requirements
[1:10:34] in there and there's timelines and then they get all in a huff and why aren't you doing this
[1:10:39] and that and they think they need to go to the top of the line and I just I tired of hearing that
[1:10:44] and seeing that I think we have businesses out there that are running businesses that aren't
[1:10:49] in compliance with our code. Yeah they didn't get the answer they want from from the front office
[1:10:57] and so they're going to go to Mikael then Marcus and me and trying to wear it down to get the
[1:11:03] naturally. And they say the phrase doesn't pencil. Yeah, it doesn't pencil. So anyway,
[1:11:10] I just, I would, from what I see, I would, I want to just say that I think our staff
[1:11:14] is doing a great job. They're doing what they can do to enforce the code. But, you know,
[1:11:22] there've been times and places where in other cities, perhaps, where, you know, if you just,
[1:11:27] you know, the squeaky wheel gets agrees. And, and, you know, they're in there demanding
[1:11:31] phone numbers so they can call somebody over and over again I saw Brett the
[1:11:34] other day phone call after phone call from people from the same person what's
[1:11:39] that from the same person you know and so anyway I just want to do you do great
[1:11:47] say that the our staff's doing a great job the best they can do and and it's upon
[1:11:52] us as a city council if we need to change some stuff we need to take that
[1:11:56] responsibility and we need to do our homework and make the changes that need to be
[1:12:01] If they need to be made and if not, we need to pull our full weight behind what we have in our staff.
[1:12:07] I agree with you, but I'm one vote and I can't vote unless it's on the agenda.
[1:12:14] So I think we need to remember that.
[1:12:16] I agree with you.
[1:12:18] I appreciate our staff and they're doing a great job.
[1:12:22] It comes to us if we don't work with the business, we can vote no on it.
[1:12:29] And I've recently heard that some cities aren't doing development agreements and all the
[1:12:34] time that we've spent on development agreements, I'm kind of thinking maybe that's not a bad
[1:12:39] idea to say, not to say that our codes are perfect because I've got some issues with,
[1:12:44] you know, our transitions, you know, our residential transition.
[1:12:48] And so I think maybe development agreements are okay to some degree because we didn't get
[1:12:53] quite right but generally it's it's already in writing and just follow what it is that the city is
[1:13:02] requiring for that particular you know land use and anyway thank thank you for listening I'm
[1:13:09] done mayor have a great week okay but it was nice to protect right from numerous phone calls and
[1:13:17] Well, and Marcus and Miguel and Mayor and everybody.
[1:13:21] That's part of dealing with the public.
[1:13:24] Yes, that is part of the job.
[1:13:28] We're figuring it out.
[1:13:29] You know, you're right.
[1:13:30] We don't have perfect, we don't have perfect codes
[1:13:34] and there's places we can improve.
[1:13:36] And we're welcome to do that.
[1:13:39] Development agreements are permitted by state code
[1:13:42] but we should be the
[1:13:49] exception, not the rule.
[1:13:51] There you go.
[1:13:51] Yeah.
[1:13:53] And yeah.
[1:13:53] OK.
[1:13:54] Anyway, thank you.
[1:13:55] I have some questions.
[1:13:57] OK.
[1:13:58] Hi, part days.
[1:14:01] Fireworks.
[1:14:02] We have more.
[1:14:04] Do we have more?
[1:14:05] We haven't used any of ours.
[1:14:07] So it was fired off earlier in July.
[1:14:11] On the second, on the second.
[1:14:13] That was a person in the valley that wanted to have license and certified the
[1:14:23] handle and he would do at his residence but he couldn't. So he asked if it
[1:14:32] could be a city celebration for the fourth. So it was all his his expense. The city
[1:14:39] did not spend anything on that. Well, and that's the other question I have. I read somewhere,
[1:14:46] someone's mad that we're spending their money. Oh, the fireworks we've done is, we haven't done
[1:14:52] any. Yeah. I want to make sure that people know that. Not only was the second donut is, but step-
[1:15:00] Also, the home town tans ones are sponsored by cash-fally bank. So again, no money out of text there. If they don't know what they make it up, they assume the worst. That's okay. That's okay. And you know, if they want to know that we're sure to share with the market shared with the individual that was really upset. And we didn't spend any money. So.
[1:15:29] and it's not tax-care funds that are spending on the
[1:15:33] celebration. We have sponsors that are doing things, so.
[1:15:38] But we could spend money on getting the stockings out of the
[1:15:41] United States.
[1:15:46] That was the e-mail that we got. Mayor Ilight, I've got one more
[1:15:51] thing. Sorry, it's a huge deal. Oh, I thought maybe you're
[1:15:57] down there. Keep going. Keep going. I've been sitting here waiting for you to
[1:16:01] talk all night Kirk. That just came out quick quick. The route we start up
[1:16:11] here will always do go straight down and down with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:16:14] What time?
[1:16:17] 9 30s. I put that on your paper. Oh, okay. I didn't pray.
[1:16:22] three. Okay, I didn't read all that. Okay. All right, Dave, you use all your
[1:16:28] trump cards. I'll swing out here and take three minutes. We've got two schools
[1:16:38] that are going to start here in town in a couple months. I saw an email this
[1:16:45] afternoon. Somebody wants to come and talk about safe routes. Amy wants to come
[1:16:49] I'm going to talk to you for asking for two months, yeah, but I think I saw that this afternoon
[1:16:54] once they come in a couple weeks and present that, I haven't heard anything about the
[1:17:00] middle school.
[1:17:02] As big a concern as that is, I'm also aware that, you know, at the middle school, they built
[1:17:11] the road down there.
[1:17:13] We're going to accept utilities, roads and whatever it is, wherever the line breaks between
[1:17:18] school property in our property, we're going to take responsibility for roads and all those other
[1:17:25] utilities and I know you've reached out in the staff reach out. I just am concerned mayor that
[1:17:35] school district has not been acting in good faith with the city, that we just don't have a clue
[1:17:41] what they're doing and the timing and their slow responses to requests. I would just request
[1:17:51] that maybe you have a little sit down with the superintendent or something to fix this because I
[1:18:00] just can't you know the small town of Hyde Park we're getting two schools coming on and what do we
[1:18:06] know about it. We have had one person from the school district standing in front of this
[1:18:10] council and say it's thinking word in the last year about it.
[1:18:15] Marcus let's you and I just
[1:18:23] worked together for me to send something to Superintendent
[1:18:28] McKee because I don't want to cross that boundary of right now where you have some
[1:18:37] ongoing
[1:18:37] discussions legally with the school district, but this is something else I think that needs
[1:18:46] to come to the city, so I agree with you with everything you said from needing somebody
[1:18:57] here to not dealing with Hyde Park in good faith. I agree with all of that.
[1:19:05] So I will,
[1:19:09] can I ask a question mayor about the schools, who, because of who they have as their inspectors, who grants them their occupancy?
[1:19:18] So the school district gets their building permits directly from the state of Utah.
[1:19:24] Cash County building department is doing all the inspections on the school.
[1:19:28] I believe they still get the CFO issued from the state after the county gives it the final
[1:19:36] seal of approval. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
[1:19:39] But we get to inspect our utilities.
[1:19:43] Yeah, that's one of the things we're having to little struggle with right now. But yeah,
[1:19:47] we're going to be doing our best to get those roads and utilities inspected before we adopt
[1:19:52] them as public infrastructure. A lot of them are buried now, so we're just going to see
[1:19:57] we can find. But we'll put something together for the superintendent.
[1:20:04] Anything else council?
[1:20:09] Good morning. Is it too late to put something in the budget? I just think we need to call
[1:20:16] this patio over here to preserve the cement. Call it. Call it. Call it. Call it in this west
[1:20:33] We do set aside money every year for building improvements, so we could potentially pull from that.
[1:20:40] So we wouldn't necessarily need to change the budget.
[1:20:42] I keep mentioning it to some people and they just brush me out.
[1:20:46] Okay.
[1:20:46] But it doesn't need to be done.
[1:20:48] Okay.
[1:20:51] All right, if there's nothing else I'd look for emotions from the council. I'll make a motion that we go home.
[1:20:59] Got a motion to leave. Is there a second? Second from Kirk. All those in favor say aye.
[1:21:06] Aye. Aye.
[1:21:06] Thank you very much.
[1:21:10] Thank you very much.