1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,960 We're here for a city council joint special meeting with our sister sister 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,240 city, city of Indian Harbor Beach. We're going to talk about the muck project 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:18,560 night uh that's going to go on. Sure. We'll have some more information that 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:24,800 goes on there. Uh thank you for everybody being here. Thank you for uh 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,320 those you Harbor Beach that are here. We're glad to have you here. And uh with 6 00:00:27,119 --> 00:00:32,640 that I'm going to turn over to Dr. Fairle to carry on. 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:37,200 » Okay. U Thank you very much for showing up here. Appreciate it very much. It's a 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,800 very important project that we would like to see get kicked off and get 9 00:00:38,559 --> 00:00:45,200 underway as soon as possible. Been a long wait, but we feel like we're 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:51,200 getting there tonight. That's why we're here. We want to get together, talk 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:56,320 about the various any issues there might be, uh listen to your comments, your 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:01,680 input, and then make a decision on just how to move forward with this project. 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:06,920 So with that, we can start off with the pledge of allegiance followed by a 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,920 moment for silent meditation. 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 16 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:23,560 for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 17 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,560 justice for all. 18 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:47,280 Okay. So, one item that we need to take care of on our side of table, if you 19 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:51,920 will, is authorization for remote participation. Uh, council member David 20 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:56,320 Nut is not able to attend here in person. So, we need to uh have that 21 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,640 voted upon and get that approved. So, I'd entertain a motion. 22 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:04,320 » Like to make a motion for council to attend. 23 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,920 » Second. Have a motion by Deputy Mayor Dyer and a second by council member 24 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:14,039 Rooney. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. 25 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:14,039 » I. Those same sound. 26 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:29,920 Uh next is would be new business and this is discussion of future mood 27 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:34,400 project and direction to staff. Um I think at this point we'd like to give 28 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:40,480 the opportunity of the respected city managers to speak and we'll start off 29 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:44,239 with the facility management. >> So um I just wanted to say welcome 30 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,640 Indian Harbor. It's a very exciting time for us to get together to work together. 31 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:53,519 Um in front of you all you have a um a card um from from me and and the city 32 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:57,200 council to just say thank you for coming together to work together. And as you 33 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,239 leave this evening, there are um some plants out there that we'd like you to 34 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:03,599 take with you so we can all grow together and work together as a 35 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,440 community and we're very excited for this project. Um those are my comments. 36 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,040 Thank you. >> Thank you. 37 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:17,680 » There's your coffee. >> I'd like to thank our host city for 38 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:24,239 having this meeting tonight. We have a place a one of our new commemorative 39 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:28,400 coins in front of you. Uh there is no truth to the rumor that if you see our 40 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:35,840 mayor in the bar, he buys you a drinker to show me a coin. Uh but you can try 41 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:41,599 and look forward to working with our sister city on this project. 42 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:46,560 Okay. Thank you. Okay. Well, uh now it's time to start 43 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:53,200 the discussion about the renewal project. 44 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:59,120 So um what I'm seeing here is there's question of whether we pursue the grand 45 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:03,680 canal and the finger canals um or whether we do just the greater 46 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:10,720 canal or whether we do just the finger can there's a question of available 47 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:15,280 funding that um from what I've seen doing doing both for both cities that is 48 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:20,320 not possible at this time. there's just simply not enough money available to us. 49 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:25,919 So that route is it's not an option at this point. So now we're down to a 50 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:33,759 discussion of whether the grand canal or the bigger penalty is most frozen. Um 51 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:38,320 I'll start off and just say that I think that I've given this a lot of thought, 52 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:44,479 but I think that the finger canals make the most sense. That's the source of the 53 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:48,720 overall problem is the dra discharge pipes coming into these canals. I think 54 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:54,639 it's something we should go ahead and attack first. While that's being done, 55 00:04:51,680 --> 00:05:00,000 we can be sequing out other state money grants from state appropriations to fund 56 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:06,400 a future grand process. So with that those are those 57 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:11,720 are my thoughts and move on down the line 58 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,720 just okay. 59 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:20,880 Uh I I would agree ultimately I think everybody here would like to do both the 60 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:24,320 van canal and the finger canals but um with the elephant in the room with 61 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:27,440 property tax situation coming up you know we don't know what's going on with 62 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:32,639 the next year's budget in the years following after that uh I believe we get 63 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:40,880 the most value out of doing the fine canals and um likely since 64 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:45,759 project can be eventually bug um because I agree with the increased 65 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:49,199 the moving up timelines. Uh it's going to be harder to generate the funding for 66 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:55,039 the entire project. I know it's going to create some issues, but it is worth 67 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:59,440 doing. >> Um like everyone, I wish I wish we had 68 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:04,800 the funds to do it all at once, but that doesn't seem possible. So, I also think 69 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:10,240 that the finger canals are the place to start, and hopefully we can get around 70 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:14,400 to the Grand Canal at some point, too. Okay, Council Member Dorian, 71 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:19,680 » I concur with the comments that have been stated so far regarding the need 72 00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:24,560 for this. I'd also like to add a comment that in future city planning for both of 73 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:31,199 our cities, we should be also considering um storm water projects that 74 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:37,199 are going to reduce the uh input to the Viney River, which is really the source 75 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:42,160 of the muck accumulation. So that if we dredge the muck out of the out of the 76 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:47,919 finger canals and ultimately the uh brand canal, we don't continue to add 77 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:53,919 muck or the the reason muck accumulates in the canal. So it really is a two kind 78 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:59,120 of prronged approach at um but getting a better return on the investment by 79 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:02,800 combining both of those things. >> Council member Nut is remote. Can you 80 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:06,000 hear me? >> Yes. Can you hear me? 81 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:09,039 » Yeah. Uh, I'm going to keep it short and 82 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:12,039 sweet. I concur my fellow council members. 83 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:24,880 » I'll just start and I again knowing what the cost and there is 84 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:30,080 some time implications with this. Um, I know you guys saw the presentation as 85 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:35,440 well as we saw the presentation. There are some things um pushing us to 86 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:40,560 get started sooner than later. Um currently the current people that are 87 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:46,240 doing this that are already mobilized would like to take advantage before they 88 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:50,639 demobilize and and move on. If I'm not mistaken, I think this is 89 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:58,000 actually going to get pumped all the way down Bay is the is the plan. So before 90 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:01,520 they go and remove all those pipes and do away with that, then having to come 91 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:06,080 back and reset up, which would cost us additional funding to to come up with 92 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:13,680 that, it would be best to take advantage of that. Um, I think I'm in agreement 93 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:20,800 with uh with all of you. It would be great to do uh both the main canal, the 94 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:28,400 Grand canal in there and the finger canals, but when we're spending our 95 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:35,279 money to do it, I look at it as will benefit our residents more take care of 96 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:39,519 the finger canals. Um, since we actually have a lot of those that live right on 97 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:43,760 those finger canals on our side, I know we are doing some 98 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:47,839 projects to clean up some of that water before it 99 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:52,160 gets into the canal so that hopefully we don't get a 100 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:55,680 reoccurrence of this buildup in the in the canals because I think we all agree, 101 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,880 you know, we don't want to do all this take this all out just for it to all get 102 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:05,440 dumped back in there again and 101 15 years from now we back to do this again. 103 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:10,480 So, we certainly want to get our money, our return on investment on there to do 104 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:18,080 what we can to keep that from from going in there. I think as we heard in the U 105 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:23,120 presentation, that muck is pretty deep in a lot of 106 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:28,320 those canals. I think Saturn Beach was like 9 ft and some spots in Indian 107 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Harbor like 15t spots that was really really deep with 108 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:39,920 that stuff. So obviously it's it's a big problem that that we need to get on 109 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:44,800 there. Um and who knows with with projects as they've already done some of 110 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:49,680 the stuff to the north of us. Maybe a project will come back down this way to 111 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:53,920 take care of the Grand Canal. I think if that came to be they would 112 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:58,399 probably come down and do the Grand Canal, but they probably wouldn't do our 113 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:04,160 fingerings. So I think we would get left out again even if even if the county and 114 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:08,240 they got more money to come down here. So I again I think that's just another 115 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:12,959 reason why we really need to take care of the the vineyard canals because I 116 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:17,200 just don't believe we'll see that on our future for the county or everybody else 117 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:22,079 to to come out and take care of that. Those are really 118 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:26,880 » uh thank you for putting up the the monetary slide. Those are the big 119 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:30,880 numbers that we're working with. Um, I agree. Fingerprints first. I think it's 120 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:34,959 important that we check to see what happens with the half cent sales tax 121 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:39,440 come November for the Save Our Indian River Lagoon halfcent sales tax and 122 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:44,240 maybe that will open up more money for like a round two where we could also go 123 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:49,040 back and and take care of the Grand Canal. Um, we do 124 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:53,200 at Satellite Beach has some very u big storm water projects getting ready to 125 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:58,160 begin what we're calling the West Basin storm project. So, west of South Patrick 126 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:04,399 and I think that will help, like you said, keep this from 127 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:11,320 happening and it's natural, but at the same time, keep it from happening too 128 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,320 quickly again. Um, yeah, 129 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:21,760 you only have enough money for one, so only 130 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,760 it's not going to cost your budget. All 131 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:31,760 right, let me try to give this a shot. Um, and we might go through all the 132 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:38,160 slides and uh we'll be discovered how deep some of this muck is. 5 to 9 ft 133 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:44,640 deep, some areas of 15 ft. We're also told what this muck will do. It always 134 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:49,839 seeks the lowest point. We dredge our finger canals 135 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:54,640 and we don't do the grand canals or finger canals that eventually fill back 136 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:59,600 up from the muck that's in the grand something that they 137 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:04,560 um I'd like to see us and I'm speaking now totally out of time as far as budget 138 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:10,480 because other grant or sourcing opportunities that help us 139 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:16,800 fund what really needs to be funed. I'd like to hear from a expert that would 140 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:21,440 tell us if we do the finger canals and not do the grand canals, how much risk 141 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:26,000 would we have and allowing that muck to resettle back into the finger? Would we 142 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:31,360 have to come back and revisit finger canals again 143 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:39,120 should that muck migrate back to the lowest point? And if we're concerned 144 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:45,600 about future budget sources, sources coming from our our 145 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:50,320 tax revenues um and other things that could be changing in the near future. 146 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:56,399 Should we wait? Realize waiting is a risk because apparently we have a 147 00:12:52,800 --> 00:13:00,880 dredging company that is pre-staged from another area, but I don't know if we 148 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,959 want to put blinders on and see that constraint. 149 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:10,720 So I mentioned a few things here, but one of those is really an expert 150 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:15,839 that knows that presented this this slide and how much risk do we have only 151 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:19,560 doing with the air canal without filling back in bug. 152 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Those are my initial thoughts. 153 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:31,200 » So we do have um four or five representatives from regard county. if 154 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:36,800 one of you would like to come up to speak to help answer that question. One 155 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:41,040 of the things is they decide you're going to come up and speak. Um there are 156 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,760 because this a this would be a water quality project. Uh we have gone after 157 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:49,760 state revolving funds in the past to do storm water projects and this would 158 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:53,440 qualify as one of those projects. The challenge we're faced with with doing it 159 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:58,079 with the county is there are a lot of aspects of making that agreement work. 160 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,920 To be able to the fact that the county would be doing the project to be 161 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:06,320 reimbursing the county and working with us to make those those things happen 162 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,440 would be challenging. Um but it is something that we have been discussing 163 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:12,720 with our city engineer at Fed and Hunt to put into our facility plan. So if 164 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,199 it's something that the council would like to consider at a future date, um we 165 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:21,040 could we would be ready to do so. So, I wanted to bring that point up that's an 166 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:28,360 aspect of a point of a funding option. Um because it is a water quality project 167 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,360 that we could use those funding for 168 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:46,720 clarify we get a million dollar loan from the county to do this within the 169 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,480 next eight months. >> Well, it wouldn't it would not come from 170 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:55,040 the county. It would it would be an SRF thing and and going through SRF is a 171 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,800 process. It we would have to update the facility plan. That facility plan would 172 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:03,519 have to come to you for approval. The applications would have to be changed 173 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:10,800 for um approval. So it would be probably a year process from now if we were to 174 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:16,079 start it today um to even >> yes that would be $7. 175 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:20,480 So that would be why I mean I would agree um that the the monies that we 176 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:24,560 have from the halfent sales tax that's what this process was what it was for. 177 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:28,079 So being able to do part of it um obviously that's what the money was 178 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:33,279 there to do. But if the the council would like to consider future funding to 179 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:37,560 potentially do the full rank amount um SRF money would be an option 180 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:46,800 » when we get a an estimate like this. Does it go to competitive bidding point 181 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,920 that does this? >> So, it does. The county has actually 182 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,959 gone to competitive bidding when they did the Pineita Consway and they 183 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,959 actually ended up doing it twice when they went to the O galley dredging 184 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:01,440 project as well. Um, and and that has been the challenge is that there really 185 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:07,279 seems to only be one company that can do these types of projects um for the 186 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:12,639 funding that they to make happen. I guess some type of study process. 187 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:16,399 » When the county was doing this, it's by observation looked like they were moving 188 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,839 up. >> That's correct. 189 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:25,360 » Filtering the waterway this project 190 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:30,560 » pretty far away. >> That see when they bid the Ogali when 191 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:35,360 they they bid the Ogali project, they bid the project to be able to pump it 192 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:40,000 further south. And so that is why the it is coming up now to say if if the city 193 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:44,880 would like to join to be able to make this happen, the the lines are already 194 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:48,480 there. Um so the mobilization that's already there to do the Ogalli project 195 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,920 and so when the Ogalli project is completed if we were to go ahead and 196 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:58,079 sign a contract and those the mobilization costs would be less because 197 00:16:54,399 --> 00:17:03,839 they've already done it. there's doesn't appear or should we look 198 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:10,959 for an opportunity to pass part state entity maybe the county and 199 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:20,240 kind of follow suit what they did on the bikes further south I know there 200 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:25,679 so wasn't there an issue with the county granting commission site 201 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,319 my understanding of it yes that was not an option 202 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:33,640 from the county that can speak to that. 203 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:43,520 » Yeah, the Are you referring to the Pineita DMO? Yes, that one is will not 204 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,720 be able to be used. It had too many complaints and it was shut down and we 205 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:52,400 had to shut that down and it's being restored. So, that's not an option. That 206 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:56,000 is why we were looking at piggybacking into our pipe that's already going to be 207 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:00,080 there at the end of our galley project because it doesn't get any better than 208 00:17:57,919 --> 00:18:03,919 this. The pipe's there. There's cost to hook into it. You've got your permits. 209 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Everything's I mean there are some hurdles we got to get done as far as 210 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:12,160 permit modifications and things like that, but the timing is going to work 211 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:15,919 out. Um Gator is here to answer any questions if you'd like to ask them 212 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:21,520 anything. But from what I understand, when our O'Galli project ends, 213 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:26,559 um he would need a contract signed by at least September to keep the pipes in 214 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:30,480 place where they are. Um that's 6 milesi of pipes in the inter coastal waterway 215 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:35,520 all the way down to Palm Bay. And just so you know, you're not only um we're 216 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:39,520 not only asking for permission from fine for y'all to go into the DMA for the 217 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:44,960 dewatering which is in Palm Bay, but you have also been granted permission to um 218 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:48,640 dispose of your mock in the DMCA down in Miko, which we worked really hard to 219 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:54,080 get. So, I mean, you've got a lot of things lined up perfectly for you. So, 220 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:59,360 um, if there's any extra money on top of the finger canals when when you're done, 221 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:04,160 um, there might be some I would recommend doing some of the, uh, brain 222 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:08,400 canal with those extra funds that you have left and maybe looking at the 223 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:13,679 depths. We have the engineer record here looking at depths, but um, maybe even 224 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:19,120 Gator can talk to it, but usually the Grand Canal is deeper, so that's where 225 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:23,440 it would run off to if it was going to. Um, but maybe there's a way of doing a 226 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:26,000 little bit along the whole Grand Canal if there's enough funds, but that would 227 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,160 be something that y'all would have to work out with Gabber. 228 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,039 Anything else along here? >> Yeah. 229 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:37,440 » So, that answer your question about >> Well, kind kind of. Well, the Grand 230 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:41,039 Canal seat it back in. >> Well, it it helps, right? So, we have 231 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:47,440 now now we have the impression that the Grand Canal is deeper than bigger canals 232 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:52,720 more than getting higher. Yeah. >> Yeah. 233 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Is that really the case? And are we missing something from a technical 234 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:00,080 aspect that says that by the finger canals, 235 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:04,520 we're not going to have overflow from the gravity now back into the finger 236 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,520 canals. 237 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:14,080 » Um I'm waiting on um our engineer to answer that. 238 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:17,200 » Reduce the likelihood. It would >> Yeah, it would reduce the likelihood if 239 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:21,679 we use the extra funds. Anything left over to bring the Grand Canal down like 240 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,640 But we >> What What's the likelihood? 241 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:30,159 » I don't know. I'm not >> of extra funds. That's 242 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:35,039 » Oh. Oh, well, um I'm I'm glad you asked that. I mean, there is the the the water 243 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:39,120 quality grants and the FD grants that are coming up. I think they come up in 244 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:43,840 June to apply for them and then you might know by November. So, there's a 245 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:47,840 good chance you I mean, it was a lot easier to get grants for muk dredging 246 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:54,640 before. It's a little bit harder now, but if you're in construction, it's 247 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:58,720 sometimes easier. Um, but there are um connections, maybe some lobbyists that 248 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:03,039 might be able to help you get some funding, but it's hard to say. 249 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,679 » So, I I know >> legislative appropriations, too. I know 250 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:11,280 some of the some of the finger canals talking to some of the residents in our 251 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:14,960 city uh that you know the buck's so high that they're unable to navigate the 252 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,799 boat. So right I think that would be the motivating factor be the finger canals 253 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,919 and also um >> would you agree that that's where 254 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,799 majority of the inputs come in is through the through the finger canals 255 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,400 like the the >> like they always back up first. Yeah. 256 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:36,640 that that's it settles in areas where there's not a lot of flow and so that 257 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:40,679 gets and wind pushes it up in there and it gets stuck up in there. Um 258 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,280 question. 259 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:03,919 So from a technical perspective, are we missing anything up here as far as the 260 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:10,559 experience that you have doing this type of work and our ultimate goal to do 261 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:15,120 everything but now we are trying to understand what it's reasonable for us 262 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:19,600 to go through or practical for us to do. What are we missing from a technical 263 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:24,520 perspective and our approach only finger campus? 264 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,520 I 265 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:32,520 I can't think of anything. I mean, I just Is somebody more qualified to 266 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,520 answer that? Virginia, 267 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,159 » right? And I wasn't at your meeting last week. So, Virginia Barker with Bvard 268 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:51,360 County Natural Resources Management Director. Um, so I I think there's 269 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:57,280 nothing wrong with the idea that the finger canals are the highest priority, 270 00:22:53,679 --> 00:23:04,000 but the finger canals can be done for less than the currently available 271 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:10,000 funding that you have. And so if you said finish the finger canals and then 272 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:16,880 take the available dollars to proceed on bringing the grand canal down as far as 273 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:22,799 the money goes. That would give you time to pursue state grants, pursue 274 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:27,919 legislative funds, swirl 2.0, you know, find other ways to find other money and 275 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:32,360 get you as far as possible with the funds that are currently available. 276 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:41,600 use this approach kind of from of a time perspective. 277 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:45,600 Um to do the bigger canals in my mind takes more time than to do the Grand 278 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:52,159 Canal moving equipment around each canal. So 279 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:57,360 um it's looking at it from that perspective. Are we still on the right 280 00:23:53,919 --> 00:24:01,760 track and just doing the finger canals? >> Yes, we have a schedule that we have put 281 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:06,880 together. I can provide all some copies of that. It's it's just an estimate 282 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:10,880 tenative but um it it does look at doing the finger canals and a little bit of 283 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,559 the grand canal from what I understand with any funds left over. It was the 284 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:19,120 volume that could be afforded but it definitely considered doing the finger 285 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:25,919 canals and it definitely is a tight schedule. So, it's um 286 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:31,520 it can be done and we're uh working on trying to get an extension to do that. 287 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:36,000 Right now, the fine lease expires in December this year, but um we're getting 288 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:40,400 indication that maybe we can get it extended to the end of this like 289 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:45,600 timeline that we've presented to them if the uh fine board approves it at their 290 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:50,320 next meeting. So, we'll know soon. >> So, what is your estimated timeline 291 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:55,360 right now? Where where does it end? December 28th. 292 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,039 » 28. >> And then do you recall off the top of 293 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,080 your head how long it'll take? The finger can now only like a rough 294 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:09,320 estimate. >> Um, it was 295 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:09,320 I I have the I didn't 296 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:17,520 see. >> So 297 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:23,520 basically that gives us what a year and eight months to find. more funding. So, 298 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:28,640 we're within the timeline to get the extra 15 mil to finish the grant amount 299 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,600 as well. >> All right. 300 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,960 » I think the permit permit goes up to 20. Correct. The Army Corp of Engineers 301 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,960 permit >> Jean 302 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:46,919 the permits they've been extended to for another five years. 303 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:54,799 » Oh, yeah. the permits are are extended. 304 00:25:53,200 --> 00:26:00,320 » I keep keep in mind if you get more funding, the way this process will work 305 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:05,200 is that the volume down in Palm Bay holds about what we can dredge in one 306 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:09,760 year for your two cities. To get additional funds, we would have to dig 307 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:13,840 that volume out or some of it. We're planning to be digging it out. By the 308 00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:19,919 way, Bill Cogland with Gator Dredging, chosen contractor for the project. We'll 309 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:24,960 be digging out of it. So depending upon amount of funds that may come in, you 310 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:31,760 were able to get 2 million, 3 million, 5 million is possible. Um, also I believe 311 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,840 the Grand Canal has slightly different dredging windows that we can and cannot 312 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:38,880 dredge in. May be wrong there. I know some of the finger canals have more 313 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:45,679 restrictive dredge times, but it's possible we could 314 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:50,559 get additional uh volume removed in 27, but at some point there at the end of 315 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:56,799 27, we'll have to dig the muck out of the facility. Uh right now we've 316 00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:01,279 requested a full year to dig it out, but understanding that if if funds were 317 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:07,679 becoming available, we could speed that process up and potentially do dredging 318 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:14,039 in 28 to some level um based on additional funds that may be 319 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,039 derived. 320 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:25,919 » I just had one further comment. has to do with the uh the comment 321 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:31,120 regarding removing muck and then having muck from higher levels sink back into 322 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:35,200 where we dredge. So in the finger canals when they are dredged the the entire 323 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:39,600 canal was not dredged it's just the center of the canal. So there's an 324 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:44,159 offset from each side and the end I think it's 30 feet and at the end and 325 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:46,320 something like 15 feet on the sides. Okay. 326 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,640 » So if we dredge out the middle, we still have the same concern that we do between 327 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,799 finger canals and the grand canal that there could be settling in those finger 328 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,799 canals into the area that was dredged. So I just don't I want people to 329 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:04,559 understand that that is still going to be a problem regardless of how we which 330 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,880 areas we dredge first. >> It is true. We don't get every cubic 331 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:13,600 yard of mock out of the canals. Basically that is based on we don't want 332 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:18,960 to impact or have any negative impacts on the structures the docks the seaw 333 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:24,080 walls what I will suggest is we maintain typically a minimum of 10 ft off of 334 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:29,120 docks or seaw wall um you can see where that may affect the the width based on 335 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:34,480 how far a dock sticks out but also keep in mind that the muck gen generally the 336 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:38,880 canals the sand bottom or whatever natural bottom it was is still kind of a 337 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:45,919 concave uh shape. We go in and we clear out 338 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:50,000 mainly you know the middle 75 or 80%. Uh but what's on the edges because it the 339 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:53,919 natural bottom goes up to the seaw wall generally it's already shallower. 340 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:58,399 Normally we're only leaving 6 in maybe or a foot of muck on the edges whereas 341 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:03,200 in the middle we're generally taking out you know four to nine feet depending 342 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:09,840 upon the canal. I think the last contract we cleaned 27 finger canals as 343 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:14,640 well as Grand Canal, maybe more. Uh most of those canals now there are some odd 344 00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:20,399 canals within Satellite Beach. Some are called lakes, big squares, and basically 345 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:25,200 they were sand mines 50 years ago or whatever to build your can, you know, 346 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:30,559 your uplands. Uh but generally the canal, the finger canals we take out 347 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:35,520 four feet of muck. They may be 4t deep. Generally we leave an eight or 10 foot 348 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:41,279 bottom to the natural bottom. Whereas Grand Canal we typically started 349 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:48,720 removing muck down at about 10 feet taking it down to 20 29 30 based on what 350 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:52,640 they had originally excavated to get to build turtle tortoise island and these 351 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,799 other areas. You know these canals were basically sand mines at one point. 352 00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:03,279 that's why they're filling in. Generally, um unless there is some high 353 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,760 spots on Grand Canal, uh generally the finger canals are already higher than 354 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:12,399 the bottom of Grand Canal and even the muck level that's currently there. So, I 355 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:17,919 do think Indian Harbor has additional funds beyond just the finger canals 356 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:23,200 available. I'm sure with Atkins or whoever's doing the the pre-ervey of 357 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,679 areas that you select, if there are any high spots in Grand Canal with the 358 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:32,320 additional funds, if I understand there's a city line here, but you guys 359 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:36,080 work that out. Um, if the concern is that material would flow back into the 360 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:41,960 canals, then obviously we would look to to hit those high spots to to minimize 361 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,960 that potential. 362 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,919 answer everybody's questions so far 363 00:30:54,159 --> 00:31:03,120 comments we we can I don't know if everybody here 364 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,799 we can we just go through the the presentation 365 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:13,039 » I don't think we have the whole one we just had the next steps uh the last four 366 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,080 slides of the presentation that we did I think we are able to do it if you want 367 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,480 but it's up to you. >> I just I mean I know some of the 368 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,760 residents may have not seen the the >> entire thing, 369 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:27,919 » right? >> Okay. Um Abby, you wanted 370 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:34,880 the whole thing. >> And we need uh or do we need Oh, no. Do 371 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,880 that. >> Okay. 372 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,240 Sure. 373 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,519 » Part of our agenda packet. The whole one. 374 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,840 » The full one. Okay. I have it on a flash drive if that's 375 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640 » Thank you. 376 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,399 So, I'm gonna 377 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600 Where did we put it? 378 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,320 Oh, under the agenda. 379 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,519 So, 380 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,519 Okay. 381 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,600 » It's It's not going to be in a PDF. >> It's going to be I mean it's not going 382 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,399 to be in Power. So, you're going to have to use 383 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,200 » the arrows. >> Okay. 384 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,360 » Because it's a PDF. It's not. 385 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,559 So, she'll just have to use the arrow. She won't go to use that. 386 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:45,640 » Oh, so let's see here. The display 387 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:45,640 we downloaded. 388 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:54,200 Hold on a second. I got the team. 389 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,600 There you go. That's going to be 390 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:13,480 So what you would just do is slow down. >> Yeah, thank you much. 391 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,480 » Thank you. 392 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:26,159 » Well, hello everybody. I see some familiar faces from our first two um 393 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:30,399 meetings together. So, this is repetitive. Well, now it's just going to 394 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:34,879 stick in your head forever. So that's great. Um I'm Abby Garing. I'm an 395 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,320 environmental specialist with the Bvard County Save Our Indian River Lagoon 396 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:43,040 program. Um you already heard from Gene Allen. She's the county's our sororal u 397 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:46,599 project engineer on our our muk management projects. 398 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:57,440 So a portion of this project is being funded by the Saur Indian Lagoon 399 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:00,800 program. So I think it's really important that I start off this 400 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,119 presentation and touch on that a bit and what we are and what our mission is. So 401 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,599 the Save Our Indian River Lagoon program is funded through a halfsent sales tax 402 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,720 um that was voted for by the citizens of Bvard County in 2016 and it passed in 403 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:19,520 every precinct. Um this followed a series of harmful algae blooms in the 404 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:23,760 lagoon starting in around 2010. Um since then there's been a series of harmful 405 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,839 algae blooms and then especially in 2016 it led to substantial fish kill. Um, so 406 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,280 it was very obvious at that point that we were kind of at this tipping point 407 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,960 for the lagoon and the citizens of Bvard County stepped up um and took on the 408 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,119 challenge to restoring it. And so our mission is to restore the lagoon through 409 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:43,880 collaborative science-based projects which reduce and remove nutrient 410 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,880 pollution. 411 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:50,079 We've talked a lot about muk today already. Um, but I think it's really 412 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:54,800 important to highlight that there's a lot of this tax going towards a variety 413 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:58,320 of projects to stop sources of nitrogen and phosphorus before it enters the 414 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,760 lagoon, which would help slow down the accumulation of muck in the future. And 415 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:06,960 so, there's not one silver bullet that's going to address the stresses being put 416 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,920 on this lagoon. There's a lot of different things impacting it. So, it's 417 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,000 going to take a lot of different approaches to fix the problem. We've got 418 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:20,880 to do it all in synergy at the same time. Um working towards the same 419 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:24,800 mission. So the program funded funds um wastewater treatment facility upgrades, 420 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,680 septic to sewer conversion, septic upgrades, leaky lateral repairs. Um we 421 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,960 do a lot of storm water projects. The city of Satellite Beach was just 422 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,560 mentioning some storm water projects. Um these are projects that will help slow 423 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:39,440 down the accumulation of muck in the future. But there's a lot of other 424 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,599 things our program does like we like to educate the public on practices that you 425 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:46,800 can perform from your home that could also help slow the accumulation. So 426 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,240 these canals do tend to be the hot spots. There's a lot of storm water 427 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,680 outfells at the end of them. There's a lot of inputs. There's a lot of people 428 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,359 living on it. There's a lot of mamming your grass and blowing it into the 429 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,800 canals and all these little things start to add up over time. So there are things 430 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,960 that we can do as individuals to kind of help make this even more beneficial. We 431 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:09,520 also help build back ecosystem resilience through oyster, clam, and 432 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:14,760 seaggrass restoration. Um, and then what we're here to talk about today is muck 433 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,760 removal. 434 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:21,760 So, what is muck? I'm sure you've either stepped in it, maybe got your boat stuck 435 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:26,400 in it, probably smelled it a little bit as you drove over the causeway. Um, it's 436 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:31,839 defined as being a fine grain organic rich sediment. Scientifically, it has 437 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:37,280 about 10 to 10 to 30% organic matter and a high silt and clay content. Um, 438 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Florida Tech has estimated that there's about 6,000 acres of mock throughout 439 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,119 Bvard County. So, it's definitely a problem um that we're really working 440 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,800 hard to tackle. And this is a problem because the Indian River Lagoon, it 441 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,560 muck, it's easily resuspended. We've talked about it being fluid. Um, it's 442 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,000 like this black mayonnaise that's kind of suffocating the bottom of the lagoon. 443 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:01,040 And something as simple as a boat going by, a dolphin, a manatee, anything wind 444 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,640 um can stir up the sediment, cloud the water, and potentially block light from 445 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,839 reaching your seagrasses. Uh the next point might seem kind of 446 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,200 weird to think about. It consumes oxygen, and so it is a sediment, but 447 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,800 like I mentioned, there's a lot of organic matter. So you have all these 448 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:18,480 tiny little bacteria working really hard underneath the water to break down this 449 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,960 material. And in that process, they're rapidly consuming oxygen. So that is one 450 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,160 thing people might not think about in terms of muck, but it's constantly 451 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,160 pulling oxygen from that water column that the fish ultimately need to 452 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:34,240 breathe. It's generally characterized by the death of biota. We have worked with 453 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:39,040 biologists. Um there's not much that can survive in the muck. We refer to it as 454 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:42,640 this internal source of nutrients. So we have our external sources that come from 455 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,560 storm water, those types of outputs. And then this is an internal source. So, 456 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:51,040 it's in the lagoon constantly fueling these harmful algae blooms by releasing 457 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,480 nitrogen and phosphorus. It also produces toxic hydrogen sulfide. Do you 458 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,760 see this happening in areas where there's no oxygen? So, that's why you 459 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,440 might smell that run egg smell out there over the lagoon. Um, that's part of 460 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:04,800 these chemical reactions going on within the muck. 461 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,800 And we've touched on this today already, but it tends to favor these deeper low 462 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:13,839 energy areas like canals that have been dug out prior to um like areas near the 463 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,119 causeways where these big blue column burrow pits underneath the water have 464 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:22,920 been dug out to build up these causeways. We tend to see muck 465 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,920 accumulating in those areas as well. 466 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,320 So now that we know a lot of the reasons why muck is bad, how are we proving that 467 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:34,079 these projects are actually beneficial? Um, so I'll start by saying, you know, a 468 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:38,720 picture is worth a thousand words. And so the image here is water and muck that 469 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:44,960 was entering one of our old dredge material management areas. And the water 470 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:49,280 right here is after um we after the water was treated and leaving the site. 471 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:54,079 So visually you can see an improvement in the water clarity. But dredging also 472 00:39:52,240 --> 00:40:00,680 helps reduce that internal nutrient loading, will help restore oxygen and 473 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,680 improve the overall water clarity. 474 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,760 digging into the data a little bit but not too much um we can look at something 475 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,680 called the bloom severity index. So this is just a simple number that we can use 476 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:16,400 to show how intense and widespread a harmful algae bloom is in a specific 477 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,720 area. So the graph that we're looking at here, this was data that was collected 478 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:25,040 by the European Space Agency and it was processed by a consulting firm, Applied 479 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,400 Ecology, um, looking at a project area that was recently dredged, the Ogali 480 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,200 River. With the bloom severity index, what 481 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,280 you're looking for is pretty much high numbers means that there's worse blooms. 482 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,480 So during this study, what was really interesting is during the time it was 483 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,560 processed, there wasn't a lot of rainfall going on, but there were still 484 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,520 algae blooms in this local area. So that's kind of signifying that you're 485 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,800 not having those external sources of nutrients, but at that time it might 486 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,960 have been the muck in that area fueling the blooms itself. 487 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:58,640 Before dredging, the average bloom severity index was about 101. And after 488 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:04,480 dredging, there was about a 74% d decrease to an average of 26. Um what's 489 00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:09,520 interesting is during this time um even after dredging was complete uh long 490 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,800 after so in 2020 there were blooms all throughout the lagoon but specifically 491 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,640 in this area when a polyide ecology looked back they saw about a 54% 492 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,480 reduction in bloom severity in that dredge area compared to those other 493 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:24,240 areas outside of it. So we are seeing that there is potential to decrease um 494 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,240 harmful algae blooms with these types of projects. 495 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:32,880 So thinking back on those pictures that we saw before, the murky water entering 496 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,400 the site, the clear water leaving the site, you could visually see that 497 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,160 difference. But how can we confirm through data that, you know, we are 498 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:44,560 seeing an improvement? And lucky for us, St. John's River Water Management 499 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,520 District, um they maintain a bunch of different long-term water quality 500 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:53,200 monitoring stations throughout the lagoon. So, we can use these um stations 501 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:56,319 to collect real-time data and look at what the conditions were before 502 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,040 dredging, what the conditions were during dredging, and how it looked after 503 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:04,240 dredging. So, looking at Turkey Creek, this was an area that had been 504 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:11,280 previously dredged. The average turbidity before dredging was about 4.1, 505 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:15,599 and after dredging, it decreased to 2.9. For that same Ogali River area before 506 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:20,880 dredging, the average turbidity was about 6.4 before and it decreased to 507 00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:24,640 about an average of 3.8 after dredging. And this might not seem like a huge 508 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,800 difference. We're looking at 34 30 to 40% decreases. But what's really 509 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:33,359 encouraging is that these results are cumulative 6 and 5 years after dredging 510 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,880 was complete in these areas. So we are able to track long-term benefits, not 511 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:42,680 just right in the moment. We're continuously seeing the benefits of 512 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,680 these types of projects. 513 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,880 This was a lot more impactful when there was animations bringing in all these 514 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,720 pictures and it looked really wow. But one thing that people don't really keep 515 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:59,359 in mind or think about in terms of dredging because we focus on our program 516 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:04,400 nutrient reduction is how much trash is removed in the canal. So these pictures 517 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:08,560 are from the recent Bvard County Grand Canal project in the northern Grand 518 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:13,200 Canal area. And these are just a handful of pictures we received every single day 519 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:18,079 from the contractors out there. So, the trash gets stuck in the dredge cutter 520 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,000 head. It clogs it, stops it. The guys have to shut it down, wrangle out all 521 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:26,240 these wires and ropes, and then start back up again. Um, they dispose of all 522 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,880 the trash. And so, all of this trash is sitting in the bottom in the muck, and 523 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,880 it's getting removed through this process. 524 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:43,119 So, moving on to the history of the project, why we're all here. Um, looking 525 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:46,960 at specifics, uh, for City of Satellite Beach, it's about 34 acres. We're 526 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,680 working with about 12 finger canals. And for Indian Harbor Beach, it's roughly 33 527 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,359 acres with 10 finger canals. And it might not seem like there's been a lot 528 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:59,119 of motion with these projects, but there has been a lot going on behind the 529 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:04,160 scenes. Um, things that people just can't really see dayto-day. And so it 530 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:08,960 takes a lot of effort to acquire these permits for these types of projects. 531 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,240 It's a very lengthy process and it it takes a lot of data collection. So I'm 532 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:16,800 going to go through that a little bit, the permitting process um and then 533 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:21,160 conceptual permitting and design and we'll end it with our next steps. 534 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:28,400 So the engineers for this project um in the room today, they were working very 535 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:33,280 hard to get us these permits. You start out with hydrographic surveys. So, one 536 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:38,000 of the surveys surveyors used was Morgan and Ecklund. They use a multi-beam 537 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:42,240 surveyor to look at the top of the muck and then you go out there in the field 538 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:45,440 um and you probe at a 100 foot interval. So, you're really just out there with a 539 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:48,480 massive pole. It's measured. You're feeling for the top of the muck pushing 540 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,440 it down all the way to the bottom until you can confirm hard bottom. 541 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,880 for satellite beach. Um it was mentioned before, but the average muck thickness 542 00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,760 was about 5 feet, and there were some pockets up to 9 feet in those areas that 543 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:07,760 were dug a little deeper. The estimated volume is about 297,000 544 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:12,000 cubic yards of muck. And for Indian Harbor Beach, um same average thickness, 545 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:17,040 about 5 to 6 feet, but there were some pockets of muck up to 15 feet in some 546 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:21,400 areas. The estimated volume is roughly 220,000 cubic yards. 547 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:29,680 So the engineers also had to look and take environmental surveys. So seaggrass 548 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,839 and mangroves are protected species. So they focused on areas that had historic 549 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:39,119 seaggrass but also areas that had potential for seaggrass habitat. Um it 550 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,319 included reviewing aerial imagery, looking at bathometric data and also 551 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,160 going through all the historical seaggrass databases. But ultimately the 552 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,680 findings were there's no seaggrass within the project limits. This isn't 553 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:55,280 surprising. We're working in canals. It's typically deeper than what 554 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:59,520 seaggrasses can survive in. Um, and for mangroves, they look at field verified 555 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:04,079 aerial interpretation. And then they found that there were some a mangroves 556 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:06,960 in satellite beach. Um, but a lot of the mangroves in Indie Harbor Beach were 557 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,480 outside the dredge template. This just means again these are protected species. 558 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:16,240 So, the contractors are going to have to follow their permits um, and keep this 559 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:20,400 in mind throughout the process. There's also been a lot of geotechnical 560 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:24,000 work. Um, so samples were collected and analyzed for physical and chemical 561 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,000 properties. So confirming that the material itself is muck. Yes, it meets 562 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:32,720 the definitions of what how we define muck. Um, no, it's not sand. And then 563 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,720 looking at the chemical properties of it as well. All the material is going to be 564 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,720 handled and disposed of per our permit conditions. 565 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:48,240 So, we have successfully received permits um issued by the Army Corps of 566 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,920 Engineers and Florida Department of Environmental Protection, which is huge. 567 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,000 Um it takes a lot to get these permits, like I mentioned before. So, the 568 00:46:54,160 --> 00:47:00,880 satellite beach payable volume, this is almost just like a cushion volume, um is 569 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:05,680 about 299,000 cubic yards and the Indian Harbor Beach payable volume is about 570 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:10,880 325,000 cubic yards. Note these are higher than the estimated volumes but 571 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:15,359 again it gives us this little cushion. The approved method is hydraulic 572 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:19,359 dredging um versus mechanical dredging. So hydraulic dredging it's almost like 573 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:23,040 an underwater vacuum is the simplest way I can explain it where it sucks up the 574 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,280 muck, sucks up the water, creates the slurry and it gets piped down to the 575 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,680 deatering facility. Mechanical dredging was not included in 576 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:35,440 the Army Corps permit, but if that's an option, you'd have to undergo a permit 577 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,119 modification. The contractor in the city are required 578 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,800 to follow the general and special conditions within the permits. These are 579 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,800 pretty much a rule book for them to follow. 580 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:53,920 So, the next steps what we're all discussing here today, um we would need 581 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:58,800 to get our permit modification. So for any project changes um updating 582 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,680 dewatering and disposal sites um the city or the contractor would be 583 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,680 responsible for these permit modifications. 584 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,200 Uh the city also has to select an engineer to finalize the issue for 585 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:14,240 construction drawings with the technical specifications. So really with these 586 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:17,680 projects, you're working with the technical specifications which have all 587 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:22,480 the nitty-gritty details for the contractor to follow from um detailed in 588 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,319 a document and then they have to follow those rules in accordance with the 589 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,200 permits as well. We also have to complete 590 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:33,280 pre-construction permit requirements. So updating those seaggrass surveys, there 591 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,839 has been some time um in between and so it's important to go back and update 592 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,960 those surveys and that's what the permitting agencies expect. 593 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:46,720 Then the engineer has to develop a bid package. Um these this bid package will 594 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:51,119 probably go through many iterations of review. Then they get the go ahead to 595 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,880 put it out for bid for a certain amount of days. Then we receive bids, review 596 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,880 the bids, and then we can select the contractor. 597 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:05,680 And an option that we've been talking about today is piggybacking on our 598 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:09,440 existing existing Ogali contract, but we would still have to do options one 599 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:14,839 through four um on this list. So there's still some work to be done to get us 600 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,839 where we're we're trying to go. 601 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,440 There are some things to consider with this piggyback option. Um some of the 602 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,280 benefits include reducing your mobilization and setup costs that was 603 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,200 mentioned here today. They will already be, this picture is from one of our 604 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,079 permits, um, showing where the pipeline would have to go up into Mather's 605 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:37,520 Bridge, but they're already going to be mobilized on the northeast part of the 606 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:42,160 Ogali causeway. So, they would just have to add the additional piping to get it 607 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:46,160 up here um, under Mather's Bridge. It would overall improve efficiency. It's 608 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,960 just economy of scale. It's how it works with these projects. The larger volume, 609 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:56,000 the more efficient you can be. and it would also speed up the project start 610 00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:00,640 time pending available funding. Some things that will impact the costs is the 611 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,960 overall longer pumping distance. So now we'll be pumping it from these canals 612 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:10,559 all the way down to the BV52 dewatering facility down in Palm Bay. 613 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,839 Narrow canal access. So it is a lot different to be working in, you know, 614 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:16,720 our galley pit is out there in the causeway. There's no boats. There's no 615 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,160 obstructions. It's very different from when you're working in a canal system 616 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,720 where you have people's docks. there's a certain distance we have to keep 10 ft 617 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:28,000 off the docks. Um you also have boats. Um we might have boats in the template. 618 00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,280 There's just a lot of coordination that will need to be done between the 619 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:38,240 contract entity and the citizens. And so there are going to be booster pumps. You 620 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:42,079 it's dredging is not pretty. Um there's going to be some booster pumps, some 621 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:49,359 noises that you might not be expecting. Um but you you heard it here today, so 622 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:53,280 expect it. Um, it also requires you might look into doing waivers. So 623 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,440 for the Northern Grand Canal Boulevard County project, we went door to door and 624 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,960 delivered waivers for residents to sign that allowed the contractors to get 625 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,960 within 5T of their property rather than 10 ft. 626 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,760 Um there there's also coordination. If there's a massive sailboat in the dredge 627 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:12,400 template, you might have to move it for a few days while a dredge moves through. 628 00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:16,400 Um, so there's a lot of coordinating to do, but it is possible. We got it all 629 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:20,400 done. um with the Northern Grand Canal and it was great getting to work with 630 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:24,000 the residents in that aspect. Um you're always dealing with the 631 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,480 potential for rising labor and material cost. That's why timing is of the 632 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:35,040 essence and then any future scheduling delays. So hopefully no hurricanes uh to 633 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,400 slow down progress. Overall, like I mentioned, timing is 634 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:42,720 really important for the most optical cost savings. Like Jean mentioned, we're 635 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:46,800 kind of in a good position right now to be taking this piggyback route. Um, but 636 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,400 it's also important to have the contractor input as well. Um, because 637 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:54,079 it's going to ultimately impact their means and methods of construction. So, I 638 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,240 think we're we're in the right direction. We're coordinating with 639 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:02,880 contractors. We coordinating with you. We're working with the citizens. And I 640 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:09,160 think um we're in a good position to get this going. 641 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:09,160 And you're familiar with this slide. 642 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:17,119 So that is all I have for you. If this has led to any other questions, please 643 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:21,800 let us know. It's a lot to digest. The city mentioned it is on their website 644 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,800 though. 645 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:45,680 Um just one quick question and the next steps. I know you said we have to do um 646 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,280 one through four, but will we still be bidding this out or this is just all 647 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,280 assuming we would be going with Gator? >> Yeah, this is assuming we'd be going 648 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:57,440 with Gator. >> Thank you. 649 00:52:54,319 --> 00:53:01,359 » When will that project be done by G? uh December of this year, but a contract 650 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:07,400 would need to be signed around September in order to get still be able to keep 651 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,400 the pipes in the water. 652 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:20,920 » So, we can move into public comments at this time. So, if you would like to come 653 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,920 up to speak on this item, please step 654 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,559 three minutes to speak. 655 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:40,160 Good afternoon. Scott, president of Satellite Beach 625 Simmon. I came 656 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:44,160 before the city council back in 99 and uh us myself along with some of the 657 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:49,359 other homeowners on the Cinn Canal. I asked for help from the city to dredge 658 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:53,359 the cine canal. I had a 41 foot sales having problems with the depth in there 659 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,760 as well as the muck is seriously a problem. Uh we did a great job back in 660 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:05,359 99 2000 when we dredged and positive spoils on island but here we are 25 661 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:10,240 years later and the problem is back canal drains canal continues to outflow 662 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:14,960 into my canal making the depth the problem is there the smells are there 663 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:19,920 nine yards seems insane to me you guys wouldn't go push forward with this $7.6 664 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:23,680 $6 million money sitting here allocated for projects like this. Please don't 665 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:28,800 miss the effort. Get it done. We have an opportunity here that it's not going to 666 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:32,480 come around again anytime soon. As a voter, I certainly want depth, but I 667 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,400 also appreciate the fact that the dredging has improved the quality of the 668 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:41,119 border. Over the past 5 years, six years, I've seen the clarity improvement 669 00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:45,599 all throughout the canal system. Would you don't mind because you're a boater 670 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:51,599 and you're out there. Would you agree that the bigger canals are right down 671 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:55,440 that's out there's the shallow shallow part 672 00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:01,440 in and out? Absolutely. Grand Canal is not the immediate sort of boat. 673 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:06,079 » Absolutely. Although the canal that leads from the uh Grand Canal out to the 674 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:10,000 Banana River should be considered on the north and south side of Simpsons Island 675 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,319 and in particular for Indian Harbor Beach. That southern entrance uh can be 676 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:18,960 problematic and if you can take advantage of this opportunity, the 677 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:23,920 mangroves that grow out of the south end of Lansing Island are very dangerous. 678 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:28,079 I've had several near miss collisions. I sound my horn when I come up to that 679 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:31,440 blind turn. Proper boating protocol is that if you hear a horn, you should 680 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,599 reciprocate. Said, "Tell me that you're coming." Most voters don't do that. And 681 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,119 I come around the turn and then boom, there they are. You almost head into 682 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:44,319 each other. The the mangroves there are just way way overgrown and problematic. 683 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,319 Very dangerous. 684 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,480 Ron Paul sat beach. I actually have three questions. The first one I want to 685 00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:57,119 hit was with Neil because he really hit on the head which has been brought up 686 00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:02,720 every time we have a storm water discussion or a canal discussion is how 687 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:06,880 effective will really be in reducing the crap that goes into the canal that 688 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,720 causes the market blah blah blah. So I'd love to hear from county if we have any 689 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:16,400 numbers on that how success we've been in reducing it. But the the first 690 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:20,960 question uh who goes first simultaneous dredging or you guys going to flip a 691 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,200 coin or whoever has most money who's going first 692 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:33,240 that's probably question 693 00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:41,720 how they want to proceed. you could go in first. Whoever signs a contract, 694 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:50,799 » seems to me it's important question by the way. Um the other one is is um book 695 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:54,640 about the You're a good speaker by the way. Um 696 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,440 so you mentioned some boats will have to be moved potentially. So, I'm sure 697 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:03,920 Harbor has a lot of der boats under the finger canals like we do and come up 698 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,359 some of them aren't going to move be moved and some of the canals are pretty 699 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:11,520 tight here. Grant Court, I think is one of the tightest which just the police 700 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:16,319 boat itself can barely clear the sides going in there. So, how does that work? 701 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:19,599 » The boats that can't be moved. They just have to maintain that 10 foot off 702 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,920 five. >> So, if there's So, so contractor have 703 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:28,480 been set tight. I'm sure you have a floating bar. You've had canals where 704 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,880 we've either not dredged. So I bring it up. So the police department or some 705 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:38,240 fish and wildlife remove the festival or give us permission to 706 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,240 sounds like a big one too. Okay. Thank you. 707 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:55,440 So uh Barbara Sean Glaze we are 2 and 1/2 ft from the wall in depth. So you 708 00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:00,400 can imagine what kind of boats can fit in there. Luckily we have bait boats and 709 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:05,520 skips not necessarily sailboats per se but I 710 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:15,119 can tell you some of us that are in our movies. So, and the question is when we 711 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:21,119 get to a foot or 6 in or until we see right on top, when when do we when does 712 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,720 our property start really really appreciating because this isn't a 713 00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:31,520 concern just about my property going down to 100,000 because I well, you 714 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,240 know, our prices are not 100,000 anymore, but you get the idea. going 715 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:40,559 down to a property where we're we're we're now stuck with just kind of 716 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:45,200 land, right? But land that it came to use, land that sinks, the mosquitoes and 717 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:52,160 plants that go along with it. I mean, I much rather not have a house on that mug 718 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:59,200 if we're at that point rather than uh I just make a house just of course beach 719 00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:04,000 side, but I don't I don't know. So, and and then where what happens with our 720 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:09,520 taxes in these situations when we can't use when it's no longer a truly water 721 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:15,040 and I know we when you look at all the kind of the paperwork 722 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:21,440 it's maybe habitable maybe not all that kind of stuff you know but paperwork 723 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:26,160 isn't what sells my property the water does you know you look at my water and 724 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:31,599 you say that looks like 725 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:35,040 Well, can't put my vote here. Well, now I've knocked out that entire group of 726 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:39,760 voters regarding boats, right? Specifically my property. So, I've also 727 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:45,040 knocked out all the rich people that want to buy my property, right? Make no 728 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,680 assumptions. It's going to be the rich people that buy it, but they can't buy 729 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:55,200 it because they can't split their boats there. And so, now I have to go down to 730 00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:58,880 the next more like none of us. But uh no, but I have to get on the next people 731 00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:04,079 and then eventually I'm gonna have to go down to the next person. The prices drop 732 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:07,760 and so what what happens when now we don't make money 733 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:12,799 and y'all don't make money, right? Because eventually my desk here and and 734 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:18,079 so when does this payoff become a problem for for y'all or I'm just kind 735 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:23,040 of curious because it does, right? It does become a problem and so there has 736 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:30,799 to be this kind of balance. So two and a half ft three feet in the in the middle 737 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:37,440 that's where the trail and I'm I'm a little beyond the canal moving down 738 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:41,280 towards so just uh that's kind of it and and of course I mean the answer I don't 739 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:46,880 know even asked that question who drank first my right 740 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:52,160 but but that's just a thought I mean I just be nice to 741 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,720 you know there's there's the thinking and all the things that go along with 742 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:59,440 it. There's the doing and then there's the cost and all the smell and everybody 743 01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:04,640 understands this, but then there's the aspect of using the water and and that 744 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:08,240 would be something that'd be nice to do. You know, it's I can tell you right now, 745 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:13,119 I can't get my foot away. I can't get my own boat at and you know, when the 746 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:17,599 water's dropping and you know, unless the people going on the boat jump up and 747 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:23,040 down and then we hop off the boat and I stay on and then we kind of push it off, 748 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:27,599 jam it in reverse, m flying all over the damn place. And this is with my engine 749 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:33,680 trimmed up. So, don't worry about the engine trous then. And then I move it 750 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:39,760 around and I get everybody. That's not voting. That's not the water 751 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:44,799 line really. So So just kind of question 752 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,520 stuff like that. You made a comment that the bar boats can't move. 753 01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:50,240 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Because we got to get them dredge, 754 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,520 » right? >> Your comment was based on you feel that 755 01:01:52,079 --> 01:02:01,520 those boats are just sitting in the buck and they can't move. I can tell you if 756 01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:06,400 our leaders sail where which is sailbo you know it's it's the heels can cut 757 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:11,680 through u but it's not it's not moving and and 758 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,920 some boats some larger boats just only move because we buy 759 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:21,040 not I'm not going to have to that's not ever future but there's a lot of I can 760 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:29,200 tell you at the end of our canal you can have a large you know if you and I can 761 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:35,040 tell you I don't know if this matters. Um, what if someone decided to they come 762 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:38,799 down and visit? What if what if they jumped into my water not understanding 763 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:43,359 because I couldn't explain it in time and it's a kid. Yeah, because I've done 764 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,920 this. I've done it just to figure it out and and I sink, you know, repeat the 765 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:54,640 feet in my mind. What if that kid can't get himself out in the ground? I mean, 766 01:02:51,839 --> 01:03:02,240 is who's responsible? I guess me or or all of us. It doesn't matter, 767 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:06,400 right? So or even that's another thing to take in consideration. This this mod 768 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:10,400 is tremendous. I don't know if y'all played around in it. So that that's I 769 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,359 think that's where we get the most value out of doing the clear canals. If we had 770 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:17,200 to pick one of them over the other, but that has the immediate impact for you 771 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:22,400 guys that live on and also that two feet goes to five to seven feet. hopefully 772 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:26,160 not this is grown and open and and you can tell like what coach y'all done to 773 01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:30,160 part a difference like it makes a difference and just be able to continue 774 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:35,119 to have I mean we're we're we're now we're no longer talking I'm so sorry 775 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:39,280 we're no longer talking about are we the small beach is I mean so fortunately 776 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:45,280 you've been held the time caps where we get to be but trust me the the the west 777 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:51,839 isn't coming right so I mean we are coming like every other small beach town 778 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:54,960 was, you know, down south and and then the question is how do we grow up and 779 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:59,839 how do we move forward? How do we take care of this? And and the answer is we 780 01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:04,400 have our answers like we have to have methodology processes and I understand 781 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:07,520 all this myth is way over my head. Uh that's why I would never do any of this 782 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,480 stuff that you all do. But but there has to be something where 783 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:17,119 we we say okay you know what to become that big town to become that because our 784 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:22,960 our houses their million dollar homes in Rier and Palm Bay and all this just 785 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:28,079 makes our property expensive people want to be on the water neighbor moved from 786 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:32,960 Sunre onto our on our street the other day. He doesn't probably know about the 787 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:37,839 deficit but as far as they want to go. So our own houses can only become more 788 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,839 expensive if we have water. So >> that's why we're here today and we all I 789 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:48,240 think we're going to see this move forward I guess once we both do and 790 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:53,039 that'll help alleviate a lot of concerns. So the faster we can do that 791 01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:59,520 the better off we are made year of beach 50 years ago 20 years ago all the houses 792 01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:03,079 like my house built mansions. What's that do for Texas? 793 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:15,280 Alan Dylan 10 foot beach. Uh they were talking about the the removal of the m 794 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:21,839 the mugs talk about moving it removing from the middle of the canal. Trying to 795 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:29,119 figure out how far now my canal is 120 120 ft 125 wide 125 ft. Now my dock 796 01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:34,720 comes out 21 ft. Dock on the other side come out. So that leaves about 78 ft out 797 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,799 the middle bit of by the dots. So how much are we looking about pulling out 798 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:42,720 out of that 78 ft in black canal that would be probably appropriate for the 799 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:48,640 rest of it? I wondered how much is going to be pulled out. And now my comment I 800 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,799 think everybody knows how I feel about uh what's happening with the debris 801 01:05:51,039 --> 01:06:01,039 that's falling in there from not only the yard services but in the cutting of 802 01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:06,000 the mango the mangrove over on Lancing Island and across from Lancing Island. 803 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:09,760 I've been down especially in Indian Harbor Beach where they just cut it and 804 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:15,200 just let it blow across the canal grand canal and you see it you see it in 805 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:20,720 different areas and it's not everybody but there needs to be some regulation 806 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:25,359 and some enforcement to stop this because right now we're talking what 807 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:30,400 what are we talking $40 million and now what's going to happen 808 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:34,319 30 years from now if we don't start controlling this stuff it's going to be 809 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:40,400 back here back here doing it again because price double except 810 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:45,920 I guess my point is is I'm I'm for doing the canal. I think it work. I do see uh 811 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:52,240 see some of the problem people have further up the back of the canals. 812 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:56,160 Uh I think a good worthy project and I've only been on the rest of this 813 01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:01,359 county for 68 years. I've seen the destruction of that any river and east 814 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:06,079 canal that time and I've got my own opinion on how it all happened over the 815 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:11,200 years but we got a lot of a lot of politicians and developers 816 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:18,280 contributed to the destruction of this thing. We need to get a handle on it 817 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,280 thousand times. Thank you. Thank you. 818 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:26,480 » My name is Clip Rockwood. I live in Indian Harbor Beach on a finger canal. I 819 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:30,880 I know most of you guys. I voted for most of you guys. I know John pretty 820 01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:35,599 well over the last eight years. I've been emailing him and bugging him and I 821 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:40,799 don't know you guys, but I appreciate I've been on boards. I've been in your 822 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:45,200 shoes at different counties and uh it's not easy. It's not easy to satisfy 823 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:49,039 everyone. It's not easy to fit it in the budget. But I just wanted to say that I 824 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:54,319 appreciate the Peter. I think the one thing that we're missing. I appreciate 825 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:58,240 the the the presentation and when we hear about, you know, grass clippings 826 01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:01,760 and things like that, I can't get a boat in. I I haven't. That was my biggest 827 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:07,920 complaint. I can't get my boat in. I'm paying for water for uh it's just I know 828 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:14,720 some people have a couple feet. I don't have any feet at all. Uh I don't I don't 829 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:20,960 have anything. Uh, I've had a landscape guy jump in and it was it was over his 830 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:25,679 head. I mean, we're just full. Just absolutely full. And I think the part 831 01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:31,839 that we're missing is various times throughout the year we 832 01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:36,719 have emergency outflows from ores and paddles directly into our canals and in 833 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:41,440 the upper beach. That's raw sewage. That's something that maybe we haven't 834 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:45,759 considered, but that's happened. And it's hundreds of thousands, if not 835 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:49,759 millions of gallons of raw sewage. That's what we have. So the nitrogen 836 01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:55,040 composition and all this stuff that we're talking about is that. So you 837 01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:59,199 could say grass clippings and things and mitigate this, mitigate that. What are 838 01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:03,199 we going to do to mitigate outflow? Because if there was 20 million gallons 839 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:08,640 of raw sewage on South Patrick Drive, it'd be cleaned up. But because it gets 840 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:13,520 dumped in the water, it's kind of like, well, you guys pay a fine and it's, you 841 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:19,520 know, get a and then it doesn't get cleaned up. And what happens is that all 842 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,880 the canals die and and getting a boat in and out, no 843 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:27,679 one's going to feel sorry for me, but it's it's a bigger problem. I'd love to 844 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:31,520 get a boat out, sure, but the bigger problem is I worry about my kids. I 845 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:40,040 worry about cancer. All that stuff is still there. We got to get it done the 846 01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:40,040 fingertips. So, thanks. Appreciate it. 847 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:52,159 Uh, I'm Chip Gri. I I also live on the same street that Cliff live on, but I 848 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:57,360 also have a footprint and satellite piece as well. Um, so do we, we'll do a 849 01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:02,480 little bit of build up and tear down. I am extremely happy to see everybody 850 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:06,480 working together between Indian Harbor Satellite Beach, not just on this 851 01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:10,960 project with some of the other recent initiatives that do. 852 01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:16,640 So great, great job on the teamwork between we're neighbors, right? So good 853 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:21,679 job. Um I share Sean's concern. I brought this up to Clint 854 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:26,400 to bring it up and Sean open the door. If we had a kid jump into that muck, 855 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:31,440 they're not get and and I and I guarantee you counseling 856 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:35,360 would be earning the money. We wouldn't need to have this conversation. You 857 01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:39,840 won't be able to dredge it fast, right? So, are we going to wait till that 858 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:43,280 happens? Um, as far as getting the boat in, I agree with both these guys. I just 859 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:47,679 sold my 24 boat because I can't get it on others. I'm paying for large 860 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:53,199 property. If this was a road, the canals were 861 01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:57,280 roads. You leave them in disrepair. Fight for money to get it done. But 862 01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,719 there is there is a significant risk. There's a lot of kids on those canals. 863 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,480 The first one that goes in, it's going to find themselves slept in the m not 864 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:09,360 out. And that this whole this whole, hey, we don't have enough money for 865 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:13,360 this, we don't have money for that. It's going to go away. Um, one of the other 866 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:18,080 things that I that I've heard not only here tonight, I heard at Indian Harbor 867 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:23,679 Beach meeting. I I'm I'm sitting hearing about the property tax potentially going 868 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:28,960 away. This project should have been done long before the bus sitting here right 869 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:33,679 should have done long ago. Um there's multiple contributing factors that have 870 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:39,840 led to this point. The sewage development on and I appreciate the fact 871 01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:44,560 that they are doing cleanup projects and I also see the water throughout the 872 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:49,360 canals and throughout the getting better. There's grasses in areas where 873 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:54,719 there wasn't grass 10 years ago, 8 years ago. So, you're starting to see the the 874 01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:58,880 the improvements really taking a hold. These finger canals, they're they're a 875 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:04,159 problem. They're not just a problem from a navigational perspective. They are a 876 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:08,560 risk. That's a risk to you guys. It's a risk to whoever's going to defend the 877 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:13,280 project that's been done. It's been put on hold. 878 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:17,920 So, yeah, votes an issue. the rest of the kids and I don't have any kids by 879 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:25,560 the way. So appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you. 880 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,560 Anyone else? 881 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:35,159 Anyone on our council have any additional comments? 882 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:41,040 I would just uh just like take the opportunity to say that, you know, it 883 01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:44,000 took a while to get to that point that we're currently at within the Lagoon and 884 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:47,600 that we've came a long way, but we still have a long way to go. Um, anytime you 885 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,880 get a captive audience, I would like to stress the importance of the half cent 886 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:56,000 sales tax. We do do a lot and as you're seeing, you're seeing results and it's 887 01:12:54,480 --> 01:13:01,480 going to take a while. So, I highly encourage continuing that this year. 888 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,440 Ju just quickly, I really appreciate your 889 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:14,000 comments out there. I don't live on a greenhouse. I don't see it every day, 890 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:20,120 but you do. And what you've told us today is is some great information. 891 01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:20,120 Highly appreciate. 892 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:32,480 Okay. So, that's been able to do respective side. Um, so what I'm hearing 893 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:37,840 is that there's somebody's unarmed attention 894 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:44,800 jurist as well is a desire to move forward with duding finger pen uh with 895 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:50,880 the understanding that if there was additional money left over 896 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:56,080 that we continue to dredge until we utilize the remainder of that money. And 897 01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:59,840 in the meantime, while that's going on, we're pursuing other funding sources, 898 01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:06,239 state appropriations, grants, what have you, uh, to try to do mostly call phase 899 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:13,120 two, which be grand. Um, so that's what I'm hearing. And so I 900 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,280 would unless there's other council input on it 901 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:24,560 like to make a motion to uh do initially the canals and then over monies and 902 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,480 resources would be devoted towards the grand canal and 903 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:34,560 all while actively pursuing the potential of the grant state resources 904 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:37,600 to do the additional project. >> Second. 905 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:44,000 » I'll second. I have a motion by Kevin McDy second by 906 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:46,400 Councilman Gori. All those in favor signify by saying I. 907 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:49,400 » I. >> I. 908 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,320 » That was an I. 909 01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:59,239 » All those same signs. 910 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:10,719 Um I think we also need to set aou John is that correct with the city 911 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:16,640 of agreement but establish 912 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:20,640 um the framework for payment respect for shares 913 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:24,239 any other components that need to be included in 914 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,880 that maintain a motion. 915 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:40,560 like to make a motion for the for the multi multi-use area for the facilities. 916 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:44,560 » Well, it's it's everything. It's the framework about getting the project done 917 01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:52,440 in this general agreement between the two cities, how it's paid for, who's who 918 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,440 pays what share, etc. 919 01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:00,400 Second >> motion by Mayor Dyer, second by council 920 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,600 member Romney. All those in favor 75 by saying I 921 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:08,880 » I >> I 922 01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:16,640 same sign. Motion carries 5 it. Thank you, Mr. So then further 923 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:21,120 discussion. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're all in agreement that we're piggybacking on 924 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,199 the current contract that we're both going that we're making these 925 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:29,600 agreements. Correct. >> That would be the best. 926 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,800 » Okay. All right. >> There was there was that comment. I 927 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:36,480 don't know where that access canal between the the river and Grand Canal 928 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,760 Falls. description of the bank account 929 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:47,960 that needs to be one of those areas that would have 930 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,960 in 931 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:56,880 so there's a common in the permit or not but it's on it's on the map as far as 932 01:16:54,239 --> 01:17:01,440 what's going to get drenched if we did fully but I didn't know whether that's 933 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:06,960 access canal was considered a finger canal or or a grand canal just because 934 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,840 it was brought up that that is a restrictive area. 935 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:14,320 » Are you talking about the south thing? 936 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:18,679 » Oh, well for you it would be on us it would be next to um 937 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:28,640 and just that that finger canal that canal whether it aligns with 938 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:32,719 an understanding whether it's part of the grand canal or it is a canal. It 939 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:36,080 doesn't really change what we're trying to do. Let's just I was asked a 940 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,880 question. You have one. Of course. I always have questions. So, 941 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:48,880 » that can you talk about is the one to the north of Landon Island and south of 942 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:52,960 Samson Island. Okay. I went through there yesterday and then my my bottom 943 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,840 sound was fell. I had three foot of water. 944 01:17:54,480 --> 01:18:03,679 That's not acceptable. out when Lansen Island was building, the developer had a 945 01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:10,640 blowout on the the northwest side and blow into that 946 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:16,719 and they had to clean it out, but it has never been rained. That means that we 947 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:21,280 need to look at this because developer should have should have straightened 948 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:24,719 that mess out right there. So, just want to throw that in there because I 949 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:31,679 remember it very well. it helped me out. 950 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:37,360 » So if that's not that might be the starting place for the leftover money 951 01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:44,440 » or it's something that we want to make sure it's there and be able to 952 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,440 money 953 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:55,679 session on our side of a motion. 954 01:18:52,960 --> 01:19:01,679 Well, oh, I was going to say copy paste everything in part 955 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:06,400 add to it to clarify that's Samson's 956 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:11,360 finger or Frank that would be the only caveat that I 957 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:18,640 would add to my first motion that you guys had stated 958 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:24,080 basically to execute the finger canals first use the excess money to do the the 959 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:29,679 grand canal whatever we had left while pursuing 960 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:34,960 additional funds from whatever source we can get to do phase two i.e. 961 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,080 a second. >> Good summary. 962 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,239 » I have a motion to second. Is there any further 963 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:52,080 » vice mayor? Yeah. >> Yes. 964 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,960 » S. >> Yes. 965 01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:02,960 » Yes. That motion passes to follow along with them. 966 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:10,080 do basically a memorandum of understanding that we together. 967 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:13,320 Do I have a motion for that? Turn copy paste again. 968 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:20,280 » Second motion. 969 01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:20,280 Second further. 970 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:29,199 » Yes. Vice. Yeah. >> Yes. 971 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:32,199 » Yes. Anything 972 01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,760 further from 973 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:46,000 the manager? >> The the only other last piece is the the 974 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,600 the agreement to do the piggy backing the theater. Are we agreeing to do the 975 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:55,199 piggy backing for the engineering as well engineering? 976 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:59,840 I'm sorry with >> Okay, we can um yeah, I think we do need 977 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:03,679 to decide. already done. That's how it happens. 978 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,800 » The design and permitting aspect is done, but there's still additional work 979 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:11,199 that will have to be done as the project continues. So, 980 01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:15,440 » okay. So, sounds like we have two more that we need to do. One is to create the 981 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:21,360 piggyback um the work on the 982 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:26,080 current county gator 983 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:31,120 dredging excavating dredging dredging gator dredging to utilize them for 984 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:36,080 services. I enterain motion 985 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:39,800 » make a motion to utilize gator dredging to piggy back off. 986 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:46,960 Second that motion >> motion by councilman Romy second 987 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,920 councilor. All in favor signify by saying I. 988 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:57,760 » I. Those post same sign. Motion carries 5. 989 01:21:53,679 --> 01:22:06,719 Next, it would be a agreement for us to move forward with 990 01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:11,199 having a current engineer uh >> back at reality to utilize their 991 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:17,040 services to continue the necessary additional 992 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:21,360 engineering and permitting efforts uh to get the project ready to work. But 993 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:27,400 anyway, I guess they have to do bidding documents as well. specifications for 994 01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,400 the project. 995 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:36,320 » Like to make a motion to uh use Atkins Reserve 996 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:39,040 by conflict. >> Second. 997 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,159 » Motion by Mayor Dyer. Second by the council. All those in favor signify by 998 01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:46,320 saying I >> I 999 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:49,320 suppose same sign by 1000 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:59,440 do the same I'll ask first is there any questions or comments 1001 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:04,280 I'll entertain a motion about doing the back 1002 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,280 gator 1003 01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,120 7. 1004 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,560 » Yes. Council Chase. >> Yes. 1005 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,520 » Sans. >> Yes. 1006 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:32,560 » Yes. That motion passes. Uh the second one is to utilize current engineering 1007 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:36,320 firm currently doing that project for that. 1008 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:47,679 Yes. >> Yes. 1009 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:52,320 » Yes. >> Oscar. 1010 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:59,400 » Yes. Passes. Any further from either side 1011 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,400 discussion? 1012 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,880 I say that uh we're now a jured. Thank you everybody for being here.