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Good evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to our workshop meeting with the Board of Supervisors and our Equestrian Trail Committee.

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Um, I like to call this meeting to order, and if you're able, please join us for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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But allegiance. Bye. Demonize with the right?

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I want to make sure you added up.

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Thank you, everyone. Uh, roll call, please, Scarlett. Heidi Garcia?

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Lou, Colin, Tony? Bob Morgan. Richard Vessel on. Elizabeth Accomando, Tricia Farrell?

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Betty, argue? Penny Lawrence.

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Province here. And online, we have, uh, Frank Palin, I believe.

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And, um, do we have Mr. Foy? Not yet? Okay, who's supposed to join us?

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And Francis Bethel, thank you. All right, um, well, welcome everyone. Um, thank you for joining us tonight.

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Oh, you know, please check that you're present. Thank you.

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Mr. Please, for the record, Mr. Hansen is, uh, in the audience.

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You okay? Harry?

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Betty's having an issue with her… screen.

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Okay. Um, so, well, again, welcome everyone. Um, we're gonna… have Dr. Delaney is going to briefly go through the district-wide mobility plan, and this was adopted by the Board of Supervisors in 2019.

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And, um, then we're gonna talk to the Equestrian Trail Committee and see how, um, everything coincides and what adjustments we might need to be making to the trails.

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And see where they're at, and uh… Where we're at with some safe trails for everybody to ride on out here.

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So, with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Dr. Delaney.

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Thanks. So, for the record, Kim Delaney from Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council, so… Nice to see familiar faces and meet the new ones.

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We are working with the district at the moment, actually, on the district's strategic plan.

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Um, and so it's great to have a discussion about the mobility plan to kind of advance.

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The expectations about what to do with respect to trails and interconnectivity and.

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That might help, um, uh, further inform the board's decisions on the strategic planning for the district, kind of at a large scale.

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Uh, so, um, so I have a high-level summary. Of the, um, of the mobility plan that was adopted by the board about.

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Almost 3 years ago, and I'm just gonna put this up, and let's see if, uh, let's see if the magic happens and it gets to the screen. You gotta see that okay, right?

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Um, and so, um… Uh, and so I have kind of a brief presentation to cover.

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The mobility plan, um, as it was, um. As it was developed and adopted by the board.

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Um, and the community.

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There we go. Um… Okay. Sorry?

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But again, I'm talking about… Under captions.

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Well, apologies for the technical difficulties, but let's just go past that.

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Just gonna read on one. Okay. Um, so that said, um, uh, this is a high-level presentation of the mobility plan that was adopted by, uh, by the district.

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There we go. Uh, you all are familiar with the district, but for those members of the public who aren't, just kind of a general location map of.

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Of where Indian Trail is located with respect to, uh. Kind of metro, if you will, Palm Beach County.

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Um, a map of the district's legislative boundaries. Um, of course, the district was created in 1957 and has about 110 square miles.

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And it's overseen by a board of supervisors. Different than other, um, municipalities and communities in Palm Beach County?

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Which creates different challenges for the district, and that's one of the things we acknowledge.

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When we developed the mobility plan. Unlike municipalities that develop a mobility plan they can put in place, for example, a mobility fee.

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It's a steeper climb for the district, because the district doesn't have the same hours.

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That municipality, and so we considered that as part of that.

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Nobility plan process and, um, the plan that we recommended. The district has, of course, about 33 square miles, and the current population is about 51,000.

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About 6,000 more than we developed… when we built upon 3 years ago.

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Now, we used a lot of background information to help inform the plan, just to make sure that we weren't creating inconsistencies, and so.

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Um, two documents just to reference. One is Palm Beach County's future landings map, um, which.

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Um, which gives a high-level expectation as to densities and intensities in the district.

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The district, of course, is mostly residential, with just a little bit of commercial on some of the.

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Some of the major corridors. Um, that has changed a bit over time, as development has continued, there's more commercial development, for example, on Northlake.

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Than was envisioned when the time was about. Still doesn't change the need for mobility and safe connectivity through the community.

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But it changes the pressures on the community, and it changes the cut-through trap.

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Um, so as a planner, what we would say as an agency is.

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Even more important. They try to find ways to safely ride and walk and.

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Excuse me, or whatever node you're using, in addition to drill.

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Because you have that much more traffic that's cutting through the district now.

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Uh, that makes it a greater challenge. The other background document that we utilized was the acreage Neighborhood Plan.

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And that's a community planning document that was developed back in 1995.

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Um, it has, I think the committee was… Um, and the Landers Association that participated in that process.

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And I just highlighted a couple of the goal statements. Um, that we, um, that we use just as instructive guidance when we looked under the middle of the plan.

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Enhancing the rural character of the acreage. Preserving and protecting the acreage's lifestyle.

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And supporting land use controls that really perpetuate those conditions. Those are the kind of things that we.

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We really took as guidance, if you will, when we tried to understand.

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What kind of transportation network's gonna make sense in the economy? It doesn't… look and act and feel like other places, and that's not by accident. That's why people have moved to this community.

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So we wanted to make sure that we. Took all the opportunities we could to try to protect that sense of character, because you can't go recreate.

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World of livestock. It is, um, it is evaporating across the state. It's evaporating across the county.

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Um, and it's something to protect. Pardon me. At the time the plan was developed.

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At the time, the plan was developed, there were a number of large-scale projects that were in motion. I didn't update this map, the county didn't have one I could use to update it, but as you all know, the residents.

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There's a lot more development happening around you. Again, just reinforces the need to be careful about planning the roadway network and using the towers that we have.

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Uh, to make sure that it serves your residents, as well as the larger transportation network.

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That's the roadways plus. When… when we look at a community to try to understand, um.

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Mobility needs, mobility challenges. We really try to pay attention to who's out on the network, and so.

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Um, when you look around Indian Trail, there's lots of people moving in cars and trucks.

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But there's a lot of people moving into other modes as well, and so… A lot of these photos are from, like, a typical Tuesday, right? So… but there's people on horseback, there's people that are walking, there's kids that are…

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Tons of kids riding bikes and chaining their bikes to stop signs, getting on a bus.

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Um, in the morning, riding home after school. Pardon me. There's a lot of recreational, um, recreational users.

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Um, that are traveling the district at… At 5.15, when I drive through the district, I am amazed at how many people are on the sidewalk.

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Um, out getting a walk after work. Um, and so it's a very busy district.

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From what is considered a multimodal standpoint. Right? There's people that drive because they have to, or they want to.

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Then you have all these other users that are out there moving in other modes, some because they have to, some because they want to, and neither of those things is less important or more important than the other.

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But it's just background information that we want to be sure that we're taking, uh, we take into consideration.

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One of the other things that was really surprising. As we tried to better understand how the district performs.

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Um, is a water would be so wonderful. Thank you for that. I appreciate that.

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Um, is, uh, how many kids there are. Battle in the district, and how many safety.

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Crossing guardian for kids to be able to get through intersections. There aren't many communities that I've gone out and surveyed.

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Or I shouldn't even think about… where I've seen 3 crossing dots.

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At an intersection, because it's that difficult to get equipment. That is… That's a statement, right? That doesn't really need a lot of interpretation.

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Um, so there's a lot of fast-moving traffic, and there's a lot of slow-moving kids.

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Um, and so those are the kinds of things that, um, that we just want to be mindful of as we think about mobility in the community.

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Oh, and of course, we have people on horseback. We don't have a lot of people on horseback in a lot of places either, and so making sure that there are appropriate trails.

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And ways to cross roads. Um, we're two very big drivers, if you will, in understanding how the district is connected.

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Um, and how to protect it going forward. One of the things that we always think about, um, is.

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The relationship between speed. Um, and the risk to someone that is.

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Not in a vehicle, but exposed, and expose unit was in any other mode.

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On a horse, on a bike, on a scooter, in a wheelchair.

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A kid in a stroller, somebody walking on the sidewalk. Um, skateboarding, one wheel, so we've got a whole variety of modes that are out there now.

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Interesting background, but that's it. Um, so what we know is that.

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As driver speed increases. The field division was reduced, right? Because the faster you go.

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The longer the distance. Your point of focus is as a driver.

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And the less peripheral vision… Um, and so at 25 miles an hour.

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You can see people on the sidewalk pretty comfortably. So, and you can see the dog that got loose and ran in the road, or the kid.

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That decided to turn, because they're on their cell phone, not paying attention, and zip across traffic.

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So, slower speed drivers are much. More, um, abled.

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To see those other users that are happening on the fringe.

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And then react appropriately. But as the rate of speed picks up.

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It isn't Kim Theory, by the way, but it's actually very interesting when we researched this stuff.

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There's a whole series of analyses that are available online. That actually show pinpoints.

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But where drivers are viewing at different rates of speed. And so, as speed increases.

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Those pinpoints are much more focal. And they're longer distance in the, um, the, uh.

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The level of focus. And so, not only do you not see.

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The, um, the individuals that are. In the fringes, if you will, in your peripheral vision, but you're actually not focusing on them either, so they're fuzzy images, and you're not paying attention to them.

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And again, that just reinforces the point that. Um, faster routes may for more challenging conditions for anyone who's not just in a vehicle, but on, um.

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On the sidewalk or in the bike lane if there is one.

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The other thing that we pay attention to is the relationship between speed.

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An injury. And so, at 20 miles an hour, if you get hit by a car, you have a better chance of surviving. At 30 or 40 miles an hour, your odds go down tremendously.

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And so those are all considerations that we have as we try to understand mobility.

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Now, this image is distressing on purpose, so this, at the time of the plan.

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We went and pulled headlines that were all fairly recent headlines, um, and.

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Honestly, if I redid this slide, I probably would pull just about as many.

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Um, there are lots of injuries. Lots of crashes with injuries, and there are lots of crashes with fatalities, which is a really.

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Um, sincere travestly, um, to have as a point of awareness. And so.

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There's not one headline like this, that's okay. And the. Idea behind transportation planning today is the idea of Vision Zero.

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That's a term that you may not have heard, but if you have.

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Um, there's a… there's a rationale to that. Term being applied to the transportation network.

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Um, and that is an expectation that. Um, there is… a zero level of acceptance, if you will.

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For injuries and fatalities as a result of crashes. There's zero tolerance for that, and so the goal.

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Is that vision is that we have zero of those things taking place.

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So, now that's pretty aspirational. And there's a lot of folks that are a little critical of that, because we have a busy transportation network with lots of things happening.

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But that doesn't change our expectation as members in the community. There's never a time when it's okay that somebody's in a wreck.

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That causes injuries or fatalities, absolutely. And again. If I re-ran my poll of headlines, I think I probably would find the same kind of headlines today. And you guys know it.

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Better than I do. But again, points of awareness for us as we think about.

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The transportation network. Um, so… As we approached the mobility plan for the district, we developed what we call a catalog of improvements. And so we assembled.

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An array of different types of interventions that. We thought might be appropriate, as you think about how the roadway network, or rather the transportation network, has improved over time.

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Um, and these are, of course, tailored for this community, and there's a different set of images.

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And interventions that are appropriate. In a more urban condition, and a more suburban condition, but this is a rural condition.

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And it has a different feel. And so we wanted to be sure that we identified the kinds of improvements that would be able to maintain.

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That rural feel that you have, while still perform the appropriate mobility functions.

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But the transportation network has to. And so this next series of slides.

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Just pulls from the plan, um, some pages that illustrate the different types of improvements. So there are improvements in the pedestrian realm.

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That makes sense in this condition. Wider pathways.

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Um, shared use paths, because you have lots of locations where we wouldn't recommend cyclists share the road with drivers.

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Cyclists should be in their own grade-separated facility to really safely move through the district.

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Um, there are roadway realm improvements, for example, how you treat fencing and landscaping along the edge of the roadway.

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Um, there are different ways to treat intersections. And with intersection design, um, you have.

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Different opportunities that are presented, because an intersection can perform a basic task.

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Which is control the rate and volume of traffic moving from one point in an intersection to another.

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But if you… if you think a little more creatively. The way you design an intersection can also calm traffic down.

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It's not a bad thing. So, you can light up. Where pedestrians are to let drivers know, hey, slow down. There's a pedestrian in this crosswalk. Look, the lights are blinking.

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Pay attention. And that's especially important. In an area that doesn't have as much street light, um, uh, intensity.

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As other communities, you have a very dark district at night, and so, um, with high rates of speed and not a lot of lighting.

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Um, we wanted to be sure that we identified improvements. That would add lighting, specifically where you needed it.

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On the pedestrian, or at the stop sign, and so you'll see some of those examples.

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Um, in these… in these images. With respect to equestrian facilities.

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We also did a bit of work to understand what types of equestrian improvements might be.

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Appropriate, um, how, um, trails are designed, where facilities are appropriate for.

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Um, mounted riders to share a quarter with vehicles or with people in other modes.

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Um, how you might want to steer traffic, if you will, particularly at an intersection.

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Into an equestrian crossing, so if you're mounted, you don't have to dismount to press the button.

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And then get back on your burst to wait for the light to change, but instead.

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We use appropriate infrastructure to make that a lot easier. Um, there are… there are bicycling improvements that are also appropriate, certainly, in the district, and so those are illustrated on this slide.

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Um, there's not a lot of transit service, but as transit service does evolve.

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Um, there are very specific ways to design shelters, so they look like they make sense in a place, so we found some of those examples that we thought.

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Might be, um, points to consider over time. Uh, with respect to equestrian facilities, we went actually into, um, some of the national research to understand.

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Different types of surfaces, they're appropriate as soft surfaces and as.

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Farm surfaces that still perform a vehicular function, but also can accommodate equestrians as well in an appropriate way.

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So that background material is just part of the plan for you to use as reference.

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There's a lot of planting opportunities, and the district is a place where.

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You know, your primary function is stormwater, and so we wanted to identify those types of improvements.

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That would allow you to perhaps treat the stormwater as well, before it gets into collection facilities.

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Help stabilize the bank. Give you some shade coverage, where we can find shade coverage.

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So we went through and we identified the types of species that were species that would make sense in this condition.

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Um, to give you that set of recommendations. Um, and then signage, of course, an important component of the district.

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The new district logo had just been identified when the plan was drafted.

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So we tried to incorporate that. Into an array of different signage types that might be appropriate, so you could better mark the trails, so if you're out on a bike, or you're out.

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On your scooter, or you're out on a horse, then you had a set of signage indicators to let you know where you're supposed to be going.

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And where you make your turns. Um, lighted, uh, stop, uh, lighted, uh, street signs, also a strong recommendation, especially in a district that's kind of dark at night.

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Uh, so, um, lighted, uh, street signs and also lighted or flashing stop signs.

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Highly recommended in the condition that you have. Um, and so with that, with that set of.

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Ideas in hand, and that was reviewed by the board and the community a bit, so we got some feedback and made some tweaks as we carried forward.

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Um, we went into an analysis of. Um, identifying different typical sections for the different types of roadways that you have in the district, because we wanted to develop.

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A typology, if you will, or a range of appropriate types of roadway designs that would make sense over time.

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Um, and so I have a series of images that illustrate, um, those various roadway types.

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So, for example, of course, you have a number of unpaved local streets, and they have.

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A certain right-of-way, they tend to be about 60 feet in width.

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And the way you would accommodate different users in that 60 feet of width.

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Is illustrated, for example, on the top right-hand side of the image.

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Um, where street tree plantings would make sense over time, either by individuals or maybe.

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In partnership with the district, um, and then the roadway itself.

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Can simply accommodate cyclists on the edge of the roadway. You don't have to necessarily add sidewalks, it might be cost prohibitive to do that.

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But you should always be, um, considering, we would suggest, a multi-use trail.

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So, off-road bikes, or, um, or, uh, people that are on horseback.

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Have a place to be, um, so that you have that safe differentiation between vehicles that are moving through the network.

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And then people that are moving either by horse or on bike.

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On the bottom, uh, left-hand side. Is a recreational trail street concept. You have one of those streets, 168th Street is a very interesting, um.

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Roadway, um, that. Could become a really cool recreational trip.

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Um, and so we, um, we developed a design for that trail, uh, that roadway.

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That would actually limit the amount of pavement. And expand the recreational benefits that you have. It's along with… it's along one of your canals.

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Um, and it gives you an opportunity for a little infill recreational facility.

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In the southwest part of the district, where you don't have a lot of parks.

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Um, and so this is kind of like. Getting multiple benefits out of a single roadway facility, where it can perform a transportation function, but it can also perform a recreational function as well, and give you some infill recreational use where you don't have it today.

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Uh, just a little example for, uh, um, uh, for perspective. So this is the existing condition.

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On 168th Street, which has a really wide bank along the canal.

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And with some intervention, we could actually turn that into, you know, a recreational opportunity.

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Like, there's grant funding, I know there's a lot of grant discussion these days.

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Um, but, um, uh, you know, presuming that you're positioned to take advantage of that over time.

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Um, this is the type of improvement that might work in that type of condition.

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Um, we identified two different types of what we referred to as equestrian streets. Again.

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Indian Trail Improvement District has a unique. Characteristic, which is you have people riding horse, and they come here because they want to ride on horses, and you want to protect them.

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As a community. And so we identified. Two different types of equestrian street concepts.

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One for roads that are 60 feet in width. Like 140th Street, for example.

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And another one for roads that are 80 feet in width, like Keyline Boulevard, for example. And those two.

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Cross-sections are illustrated on this slide. Uh, the cars have a place.

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Um, there are soft shoulders that are maintained to create separation.

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Um, and then what's recommended, um, is instead of sidewalks on both sides.

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A wider, uh, multi-use surface. That can accommodate bicyclists, pedestrians, and equestrians in one space.

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Um, we recommend this typically, and increasingly when we work in communities.

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The default for a long time has been put sidewalks on both sides of the road, and the cyclists can find a way to share that space.

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It's not really efficient, and nobody's happy at the end of the day.

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Uh, because there's just not enough space. Um, and so instead.

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The thinking has shifted to provide one. Quality facility on one side of the road.

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That can accommodate multiple users, and that way, everyone has a little bit more room.

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And you don't have as much interference with vehicles. And so you can see both of these images.

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Take that into consideration. Um, where we only have 60 feet of width.

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The equestrians would share that space, because we're pretty tight, or they'd ride in the soft shore loop, and that's okay, too.

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Um, but we wanted to be sure that we just illustrated where the pieces could fit.

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Uh, we have a little bit more right-of-way, you have room for a much larger, more substantial equestrian trail that we would recommend maintaining.

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In all of these quarters, so you can build the network over time, and then add multi-use paths that are water multi-use pads.

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On one side of the road that are landscaped, if possible.

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Uh, for pedestrians and cyclists to have a place to be.

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A little example of what that might look like. This is the 80-foot example, so here's.

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Kind of the existing condition, and we're trying to be. Fairly accurate with, um, you know, representing where the footprints of homes tend to be, and where fence lines tend to be.

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Um, so this is just a typical condition, but that said, this is an 80-foot right-of-way example. The before and what the after might look like.

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So again, um, concentrating the bicycle-pedestrian activity on one side and separating that.

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From the equestrian activity that could exist on the. Um, and again, being very, um, very direct in that type of planning.

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To build the network over time. Um, it will take some cooperation with private owners, and that's acknowledged. That's not unique to the district.

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Um, it's more common in the district because you don't have the level of authority that municipalities have.

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Uh, but that said, you know, when you get buy-in to a plan like this, you know, it's interesting how you get good participation, so people are willing to.

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Plant the kinds of trees that are in the list, because they want their street to be the tree along the street, and have a canopy cover.

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Um, and so, um, so again, this, uh, this example is intended to illustrate that.

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A couple other examples, I think these are the only two.

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Uh, there is a rural community connector. Concept that was identified.

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For example, on roads like Orange and Coconut. Now, one of the challenges that we acknowledge, um, for orange and coconut as examples, and also 60th Street.

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Is that there are roads that you control, and there are roads that are owned by others. Um, and so.

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We tried to do our best to… be, um… be inclusive in identifying.

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The demands that we knew were on the roadways, or vehicular lanes.

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Um, and also creating accommodations. For your users at a local scale.

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Um, and so these two examples do that. Um, they would require more right-of-way.

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Then the right-of-way that currently exists. And that's a tricky thing to figure out.

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Um, but, um, our… Our recommendation to you is it's worth the effort.

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Um, and there's… there's competition. For that level of effort with other priorities in every community.

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Um, but it doesn't change our recommendation, so if we really wanted.

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Um, coconut, for example, to perform in a way that created that equestrian connection.

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Um, it's gonna take… outreach on the part of the district.

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To find a way to gain easements to create enough land area.

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To be able to continue a trip. And the default condition.

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Is… it's a very tight right of work. It's an 80-foot right of work, and in 80 feet.

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A five-lane section doesn't give you a lot of room to do much else. And that's… That's the default condition, and we know what that looks like.

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But there's also an aspirational condition, and that looks kind of more like this one.

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Um, and so, um, uh, coconut is one of those roads that has money on it now for construction.

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Um, the other place to make these types of interventions is at the intersection.

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If you recall, the intersection, um. Examples that were in the catalog of improvements identified different ways to treat those intersections.

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That's another place to go in working collaboratively with the county to try to improve this roadway.

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To serve a local set of needs, as well as the larger scale.

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Commuter needs that the road is going to serve. Um, given its ownership and its design.

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Uh, the bottom image on the bottom left illustrates the rural parkway concept.

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That, um, could be appropriate for a roadblock 60? There's also money on 60th, for 60th to be won.

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There was a lot of discussion when the plan was written.

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About the, um, strip of homes on the south side of 60th Street.

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At the eastern end of that corridor. Uh, between 140th and…

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And 120th? So, in that section, I think there were, like, 23 homes.

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We're really going to be heavily impacted when the road was widen.

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Um, and so… This type of design was identified.

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To try to create a buffer? For those residents, if they continue to exist in homes, they'll have very shallow front boards over time.

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Uh, that there are ways to try to buffer and mitigate the impact in the roadway widening.

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Particularly in that condition, so it was very tailored. To, um, that expectation that.

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Um, those front yards were likely to be taken, either through amusement or the acquisition, and the road widened.

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Um, and this gives a chance for 60th Street, again, to perform multiple purposes, which you can see in the bottom.

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Image on the left-hand side is. It's a pretty good-sized equestrian trail that you can create that's along the canal bank, so… and then you can landscape and, um.

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Adds bioswales in front of where the homes exist. If you can imagine, this is looking to the east, right? So that.

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Um, that, uh, multi-purpose trail is on. The left-hand side, which is along the canal bank.

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Um, and then the landscaping and… sidewalk, or on the right-hand side, which is in front of the house.

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Um, to again, try to create some buffer, protect those values, make a better quality of life, and make a much safer transportation condition as a result.

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Uh, so a couple of cross-sections, for example. This is the Rural Community Connector, existing condition and long-term.

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This is, again, for a road like Kokan. Again. This is a condition where.

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Acquisition of additional property is necessary to accomplish this, we know that.

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We are beyond… we've colored outside of the lines. To give you something else to think about as a community.

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Um, and um… Oh, man, this is how that might look. Um, yep, absolutely.

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Streets in Canada. The tree-lined streets and how it impacts traffic.

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Sure, sure, absolutely. So, just, uh, if I could take a moment, so… What we know about, um, what we know about driver behavior.

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Is that when drivers are in a wide-open condition. The field of vision.

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The point of focus is longer distance. It contributes to faster speeds.

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Less peripheral vision. More crashes.

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That are higher speed, so those crashes tend to have more injuries and fatalities. But that's the condition.

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For drivers moving in a wide-open space. Think about driving on I-95 as an extreme example.

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Feels comfortable to go fast, and you're not really, like, able to see so much that's on the side.

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Um, what we know is that there's a height-to-width ratio. Um, that is a relationship.

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Between the width of the space. That you're able to view, and the height of structures or landscaping or other materials.

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That are in your peripheral vision. So, if you can think about driving down, I'll use an extreme example.

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Clematis Street in downtown West Palm. Not recommending that, just using it for perspective. If you think about Clematis Street.

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Um, there's a… there's a set of building faces and landscaping.

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That constrain your field of vision, right? You don't feel comfortable going fast in that condition, because there's a lot of stuff around you, right?

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So, landscaping plays that role. In roadway corners. So if you think about driving down a canopy road, for example.

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Martin Grade Highway in, uh, in Martin County. So, it doesn't feel comfortable to go fast down a canopy street.

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Because you don't feel comfortable as a driver that you can go quickly and avoid things that come out from the side, right?

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So that height-to-width ratio becomes established with landscaping. That's the… that's the premise that's used.

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In developing these corridor designs. Which is trying to create a proper height to width ratio for you as a driver.

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Right? That's the width view, versus, for example, we're not going to have buildings at the edge of the street, but we could have landscaping at the end of the street.

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To begin to close in your view as a driver. It slows people down naturally.

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It's much more attractive. You get shade on the street. You actually get stormwater mitigation and can better control stormwater flows if you have proper landscaping.

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And you tend to have higher property values as well. Um, and so those are all aspects.

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Of planning that are integrated into these recommended designs. So, if you're able to create.

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A line of street trees. Miraculously, or actually scientifically.

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You slow drivers, you make a safer condition, and it's a much more pleasant place to be. People want to live there, and the property values.

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Actually able to maintain. Um, and so, um, so thank you for asking that question, Betty, I appreciate that.

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So, um, so yeah, so that's… that's what happens with this type of condition. Now, something to mention.

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Is that, you know, recall. Coconut, for example, has an 80-foot right away.

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About 80 feet is only wide enough to accommodate 5 lanes, which is what's currently planned.

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Very narrow bike lanes. And then sidewalks. And there's not enough width left to plant street trees.

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So, when you have. For a commercial and urban collector.

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Uh, for example, Tokamit's an urban collector. You have to maintain.

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Um, a distance from the face of, uh, the edge of the roadway.

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To where the trunk of a tree is. So you have to have a curb.

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And at least 4 foot of clear space. Before you can begin to have a tree, for example, and if you don't have a curb, you need even more distance. Makes sense, because if somebody swerves.

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They have to be able to recover and not hit a tree.

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So, um, the tree doesn't want to be hit, but the driver doesn't want to be in that way. So… So when we think about a road like Coconut.

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We know the default condition is not going to be able to provide you.

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Tree coverage. So, and street tree plantings. They have to happen outside of the right-of-way, because there's just physically not enough room.

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Um, so, um, so this. Cross-section suggests a 96-foot width. You have 80 today, that means you need 8 feet on either side.

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You could compromise this. You know, if you decided this was important.

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You could try to get just maybe 10 feet. A right-of-way to give you at least.

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Tree-free tree plantings that can stagger down the roadway as you get.

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Um, so just food for thought for you as we think about how you want the community to look and feel.

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Okay? Um… Another example, this is the 60th Street diagram. Remember, I suggested to you.

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That, um, the canal bank gives you kind of a cool opportunity for a nice.

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Multi-use path, and so this. Cross-section illustrates that. If you can imagine now, we're looking to the west, right? So the canal's on your right-hand side.

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And, um, and the homes that are subject to some type of modification, perhaps, are on the left-hand side.

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So, existing condition looks like this. Um, and the future condition, we know the county's anticipating a five-lane section.

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Um, in this location, um, if you, um. Uh, if, uh, if you reconsider how space is allocated.

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You could have a very nice equestrian, multi-use path along the canal bank.

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And protect that with some street tree planting, so it feels much safer.

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And actually performs better. So, and then across the street.

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Um, a… maybe a shared use path with some landscaping to try to protect.

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Those homeowners that are going to be along the roadway that's going to change.

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Pretty materially in the way it performs. Um, so again, before and afters for those seats.

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So, um, and those are the cross-sections. Let me pause for a moment. Does that all make sense? Do you have questions about that? I only have a couple of slides left.

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So, I'm happy to walk through them, but up to you, Elizabeth?

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And to the board? Yeah, go right ahead, and then we'll ask real quick. Yeah, keep going.

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So with that, there's just a couple of slides. That illustrate a map, a couple of maps of the district, um, and where you might want to consider improvement. So this first map just.

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Illustrates existing conditions, um, and the symbology, or the markings on the map.

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Are tied to improvements that were already planned and in budgets at the time the plan was developed.

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Um, you can see those little squares. That are on avocado, for example, that's traffic calming that was in a few locations. You had traffic calming on a couple of side streets.

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Um, and so… Uh, we actually recommended a series of phased improvements, and this.

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This map actually includes all three, I realize. Midterm, near-term, midterm, and long-term improvements.

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Um, ways to interconnect the district. Focusing on Main Streets.

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To improve them as equestrian roads. So that if you're on horseback, you can navigate.

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On one end of the district to the other end of the district in a fairly safe way.

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If you see those funky circles on the map. Those funky circles are actually equestrian crossings.

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Where what's recommended is fencing. To steer equestrians into a holding location, if you will.

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Um, and, um, frosting infrastructure, where you have signal boxes that are mounted high for equestrians and low for pedestrians and cyclists.

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So that you can get through those intersections more safely. And there is a map that teases out.

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Just the equestrian stuff. That's actually my closing map, because I figure that's what you're going to want to talk about the most.

359
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But this is, like, big picture, this is how to interconnect the entire district, what we… testing, um, with this set of, um, maps.

360
00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:11,623
Is that 95% of homes within Indian Trail. Would be within a half mile.

361
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,116
Of what we would call a premium. Multimodal facility. So 95% of homes, when we, within a half mile.

362
00:38:17,116 --> 00:38:21,978
Of at least an 8 to 10 foot multi-use path. So you could ride your bike safely.

363
00:38:21,978 --> 00:38:26,982
Across the entire district with this type of infrastructure. It's not every single road.

364
00:38:26,982 --> 00:38:31,654
It's just the roads that are necessary to get to the largest number of people, so we'll try to economize that.

365
00:38:31,654 --> 00:38:36,928
This is not a not-costly plan, this is a costly plan.

366
00:38:36,928 --> 00:38:42,132
It is phased for implementation over time, and it's designed for the district.

367
00:38:42,132 --> 00:38:47,398
To be successful and secure in grant dollars as they become available. And I know there's some challenges with that.

368
00:38:47,398 --> 00:38:57,398
I don't want to belabor that point with you as a board this evening, but it… the plan was designed expressly to make you competitive to get grant dollars.

369
00:38:57,698 --> 00:39:03,717
Over time, uh, from transportation agencies, foundations, and others. And so that was part of the thinking.

370
00:39:03,717 --> 00:39:13,717
Pardon me. With respect to bicycle pedestrian improvements specifically, this map illustrates that network that's specifically for.

371
00:39:18,188 --> 00:39:20,735
Bicycle… for wider sidewalks. Multi-use paths, and then fenced equestrian trails. And what you can see is.

372
00:39:20,735 --> 00:39:25,423
It's 72 miles, for example, of 8 to 10 foot sidewalks.

373
00:39:25,423 --> 00:39:31,423
Adding the county in, you get 85 miles of total network.

374
00:39:33,196 --> 00:39:36,448
Um, and then 41 miles. Of what would be considered the safest equestrian trails that we could identify in this condition.

375
00:39:36,448 --> 00:39:43,480
Um, and again, uh, 95% of homes are within a half mile.

376
00:39:44,706 --> 00:39:47,983
And a half mile is used because that's like a… That's like a roughly a 10-minute walk, or it's a 5-minute bike ride.

377
00:39:47,983 --> 00:39:54,290
Um, so that's a rule of thumb that's used in planning. So if you're within a half mile, it's considered you're benefited by that.

378
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:57,237
Because it's close enough for you to be reasonably accessing that.

379
00:39:57,237 --> 00:39:59,651
And then getting into the network, if you will, to go from place to place.

380
00:39:59,651 --> 00:40:09,651
Okay? All of the schools are connected, all of the parks are connected, all of the commercial destinations are connected.

381
00:40:10,863 --> 00:40:15,683
Um, as well. Pardon me. And then, my final slide, um, is the equestrian network.

382
00:40:15,683 --> 00:40:17,515
And so this map illustrates what's recommended. Um, with respect to the equestrian Network.

383
00:40:17,515 --> 00:40:24,989
The solid lines are the trails that were existing at the time the plan was drafted.

384
00:40:24,989 --> 00:40:27,327
And the dashed lines. Are the corridors that are recommended.

385
00:40:27,327 --> 00:40:29,783
To be prioritized over time, for you to connect the district.

386
00:40:29,783 --> 00:40:39,783
From, uh, top to bottom, and from left to right, if you will, north, south, east, and west.

387
00:40:39,907 --> 00:40:46,712
Uh, they, um, they are designed. And located to maximize access to equestrian destinations.

388
00:40:46,712 --> 00:40:53,584
Like Hornstein Park, like Corbett. And like the Royal Pines Natural Area, so they're on purpose, um.

389
00:40:53,584 --> 00:41:01,237
In this configuration. Um, and then, as I mentioned, uh, those, uh, those.

390
00:41:01,237 --> 00:41:03,420
Yellow and black circles. Are equestrian crossings that are recommended in specific locations.

391
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:09,642
Um, not everywhere in the district, but just in specific locations.

392
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:15,529
To be able to get people through the trickiest intersections. At places where it's efficient for you to add trails and to get people across major corridors.

393
00:41:15,529 --> 00:41:24,840
Um, knowing those are big challenges for everybody going through that intersection. Everyone's at risk going through the busy intersection.

394
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:32,569
But especially if you're mounted. Um, and so we've tried to be very, um, cautious.

395
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:42,569
And diligent in, um, in… finding ways to get you through the district, if that's a desire.

396
00:41:44,829 --> 00:41:51,758
Work from an equestrian standpoint. And I think that is my closing slide. It is my contact information, of course, is available, but I'll leave this map up, because I think this is probably the one that's on top of that the most.

397
00:41:51,758 --> 00:41:58,697
Yeah, I think so, too. Um… Thank you, Dr. Delaney. I appreciate you going through this. Um…

398
00:41:58,697 --> 00:42:04,897
What I see on here and what we… Which was about a few years ago, and what we actually see our reality today.

399
00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:08,164
Um, a lot of these roads are… now filled with more commercial traffic.

400
00:42:08,164 --> 00:42:14,764
Um, much faster traffic. We have a speeding problem out here.

401
00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:29,590
Um, the potential trail, for example. On 190th, um… you know, the GL is going to be building that road to go through.

402
00:42:29,802 --> 00:42:35,190
Um, their community. Uh, some of them just aren't gonna fit, and they're not going to…

403
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:42,990
Be able to connect. Um, to the areas where people can go ride.

404
00:42:44,656 --> 00:42:54,656
Um, that's why I'm glad that the Trail Committee is here, and… to hear their thoughts on all of this, um…

405
00:42:57,856 --> 00:42:59,634
Key Lime, for example. We just had people here at our last meeting, um, with some serious concerns that people are having… doing… using some extreme speeds.

406
00:42:59,634 --> 00:43:09,194
And we're seeing that now as a cut-through road, because there's so much traffic on Orange Boulevard, or 70th when it goes to the west.

407
00:43:09,194 --> 00:43:10,848
So people are having trouble. You know, if they're turning north.

408
00:43:10,848 --> 00:43:20,848
Um, instead, they're going around, they're using key lime as a cut-through, same thing with coming south to go to the school.

409
00:43:24,656 --> 00:43:31,667
So, I don't know that even… Even if we have the ability and the dollars to acquire the right-of-way, if those roads would still be viable.

410
00:43:31,667 --> 00:43:41,667
For equestrian. That's my concern with that. Um, and the same thing with coconut. I mean.

411
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:53,830
What we see now with coconut between Avenir and everything else, um… you know, it's so different than it was then. Not that this isn't great, but I think we have to rethink some of these… some of these options just because of the changes that are happening all around us.

412
00:43:53,830 --> 00:44:03,830
That are very much affecting us internally. And in order to keep the roads safe, I love the idea of narrowing. We talked about that a couple of months ago.

413
00:44:09,579 --> 00:44:13,168
Um, that slows vehicles down better than speed bumps. Um, narrowing of the roads, um, and then that is no acquisition.

414
00:44:13,168 --> 00:44:23,168
All right, so we could do it that way. So, um, thank you, I appreciate that. And, um, with that, um… And if I could just respond to an observation that you made.

415
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:34,140
And we're kind of… this is 3 years or so ago that we finished this work, and you've already seen the impact of the development that we knew was coming.

416
00:44:36,281 --> 00:44:44,614
And so much more is coming. And quite a bit. Um, and so, of the things to consider as a community.

417
00:44:44,614 --> 00:44:51,716
And I mentioned, I just touched on this just briefly, but… Um, the intersections that are going to be developed on Coconut, for example.

418
00:44:51,716 --> 00:44:55,141
We'll have a very material effect. On how traffic moves through that corridor.

419
00:44:55,141 --> 00:45:05,141
Um, and… and I know there's, like, a love-hate relationship with roundabouts. What I would suggest to you.

420
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:13,471
Is that you can't speed through a circle. So, roundabouts become a very effective mechanism.

421
00:45:13,471 --> 00:45:17,399
Um, that physically require people to slow down. They don't… Well, not everybody likes it, but it's not always because you want to make the speeder happy.

422
00:45:17,399 --> 00:45:25,310
Right? The roundabouts are there sometimes for a purpose, and so you have a couple.

423
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:30,431
Very significant intersections. That will be developed over time.

424
00:45:31,228 --> 00:45:38,910
Um, that with, um. With roundabouts as part of the roadway design.

425
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,542
You would make it much less comfortable for. For example, the Trans Am that passed me as I was coming down Coconut today.

426
00:45:43,542 --> 00:45:50,205
I mean, I think he was going 65 or 70, I couldn't believe how fast he was able to go, because there's nothing… to stop that rate of speed.

427
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:54,805
Right? Um, and so just food for thought as a community.

428
00:45:54,805 --> 00:46:01,616
Um, that, um, it might be worth pursuing that. We did have a chance.

429
00:46:01,616 --> 00:46:09,162
To, um, have that type of conversation with. Um, with the county team.

430
00:46:09,162 --> 00:46:16,400
As part of the strategic plan work that we're doing. For the district, and that was, I think, fairly well received.

431
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,652
As a collaborative opportunity that you may want to explore. So I… you have… it has not come back to you yet as a board, because.

432
00:46:19,652 --> 00:46:29,652
We're still working on trying to figure out what your strategic plan is going to look like, but that's one of the areas that you might want to consider.

433
00:46:35,127 --> 00:46:40,173
As, um, as you carry forward. Uh, yeah, because when we were going through the mobility plan, um.

434
00:46:40,173 --> 00:46:43,591
And we met with the county then, and Commissioner. Mckinley supported what we were looking for.

435
00:46:43,591 --> 00:46:52,318
Um, but the county assistant engineer at the time was adamantly against traffic circles on.

436
00:46:52,318 --> 00:47:01,918
Coconut Boulevard. Um, she now works for the Avenir CDD, so I'm sure she would.

437
00:47:03,322 --> 00:47:11,122
Have some say on that. Um, but I do think that traffic circles.

438
00:47:11,701 --> 00:47:16,936
Are the best approach on coconut. Um, I also… there's two things, um…

439
00:47:16,936 --> 00:47:20,162
We had requested… we have currently. At Great View, and equesting.

440
00:47:20,162 --> 00:47:24,916
Cross it. And as I recall, when they were coming in for that permit.

441
00:47:24,916 --> 00:47:32,548
Um, there was a huge discussion because they did not put that on the permit, but we requested that it be reinstalled.

442
00:47:32,548 --> 00:47:42,548
Um, so… and I know you were part of that discussion around that time, because we were working on the mobility plan.

443
00:47:45,883 --> 00:47:52,603
Um, but that's a critical piece there. Um, the other thing is that the, um…

444
00:47:52,603 --> 00:48:00,280
I don't want everyone to have the impression, because the. Slides that you showed were the 4- and 5-lane roads.

445
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,353
It is not the intention, it is not my recollection. That the equestrian roadways.

446
00:48:03,353 --> 00:48:11,153
Through the district, there were non-county roads, those were all two-lane roadways. Correct.

447
00:48:20,174 --> 00:48:27,794
And, um, with respect to 60th. We had another option, and I think we did for coconut as well, where we looked at how can we make this a little bit smaller and not need as much, um, from the residents, where we could partner.

448
00:48:27,794 --> 00:48:31,864
Um, with them. And, um… And I believe, uh, we got on 60th Street.

449
00:48:31,864 --> 00:48:40,264
We got a concession from the county to actually put a wall on the.

450
00:48:41,911 --> 00:48:48,137
Canal side, canal bank side, and… And also, I don't think the canal bank is accessible to us any longer, unless.

451
00:48:48,137 --> 00:48:58,137
City of West Palm Beach has suddenly decided that they want to work with us. It's my understanding that they're adamantly… Opposed and are enforcing any.

452
00:48:58,354 --> 00:49:08,354
Trespassing on their property. Um, so there was a wall. Um, that they had conceded to that would take up less space.

453
00:49:10,758 --> 00:49:16,230
Um, and then we could have a multi-purpose path on one side of the… And I thought we had had a drawing about that at one point that was a little bit less, I think it was a 90-foot right-of-way.

454
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:21,423
Uh, rather than the 114 or 20 that was shown there.

455
00:49:22,496 --> 00:49:29,696
Um, but it is important that we. Push that, because that also.

456
00:49:30,381 --> 00:49:33,162
Um. Minto, we were supposed to have that through their property.

457
00:49:33,162 --> 00:49:39,762
Um, and as I recall, there was supposed to be, um.

458
00:49:43,497 --> 00:49:53,280
Uh, equestrian trails around their fold property. That's obviously not happening. It's not what they've done. In fact, one of the first things they did was they took off the.

459
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,640
Um, equestrian… on Seminole Pratt, which that whole design was supposed to be to allow the.

460
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,864
Interconnectivity from each side of the acreage. Um.

461
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:11,800
The other thing is that 1 90th, as part of the conditions for GL homes.

462
00:50:14,223 --> 00:50:21,170
There are built-in conditions there that require them to build. An equestrian trail, and it is something that I fought for, and I will continue to fight for.

463
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:24,911
Um, we also tried to get the county. To give us, um, land.

464
00:50:24,911 --> 00:50:32,711
That is going to be, um, adjacent to the existing park, Friedland Park.

465
00:50:32,912 --> 00:50:41,312
Um, and to get that dedicated as an additional. Equestrian park of some sort.

466
00:50:43,435 --> 00:50:46,529
So, that was the reason. For that whole… to try to give something for that Western… I call it the Northwestern quadrant.

467
00:50:46,529 --> 00:50:56,529
Um, it would benefit everybody that lives over there. They wouldn't… they don't have access, really, to Hamlin.

468
00:51:00,373 --> 00:51:04,395
Um, and as seminal crap becomes more of an industrial. Parkway, um, it's going to be extremely unsafe for people to get from one side to the other with equestrian.

469
00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:11,100
So if we could just keep in mind that our community is being divided.

470
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:17,601
Um, by, uh, some of these things that are going on.

471
00:51:19,653 --> 00:51:28,252
The attempt with coconut. Was that that road was never supposed to be a major thoroughfare road.

472
00:51:28,252 --> 00:51:29,990
And, um… And so, really, what we were trying to do was work with the county to come up with more.

473
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:39,990
Of a residential-feeling road, rather than it turning into, like, a Seminole Pratt or a Royal Palm Beach Boulevard.

474
00:51:43,293 --> 00:51:52,320
Um, and… I've said this to some of my friends who object to, um.

475
00:51:52,320 --> 00:52:01,341
Some of the plans that we have recommended, um… the… what you're advocating for if you accept the county's plan.

476
00:52:01,341 --> 00:52:05,400
Planned with an 80-foot right-of-way and a 5… Lane Road is exactly what Royal Palm Beach Boulevard looks like from.

477
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:15,400
40th to 60th, and if that's what you think should be going through our community and that we should support that.

478
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,414
Um, then, you know, we're not going to be able to protect our equestrian, we're not going to be able to protect our… residents who like to run.

479
00:52:23,414 --> 00:52:32,271
Um, who like to walk out with their kids or ride their bikes, or any of that, because.

480
00:52:32,271 --> 00:52:40,710
If you think about Royal Palm Beach Boulevard. You have concrete to concrete.

481
00:52:40,422 --> 00:52:48,631
You have a curb, you have a 3-foot sidewalk. With FPL poles in the center of them, okay? Um, there are no medians.

482
00:52:48,631 --> 00:52:50,719
It's… it's visually. Not pleasing, um, it's not safe.

483
00:52:50,719 --> 00:53:00,719
There's no safe place for bikers to go, and quite frankly, if I was a parent pushing a buggy, I wouldn't feel safe.

484
00:53:03,904 --> 00:53:13,175
On the sidewalk there. Um, and so what we've… tried to do is to get the county to think of us.

485
00:53:13,175 --> 00:53:15,877
As a community, what we are. We deserve. To be treated as other communities are treated. We deserve that when they're making.

486
00:53:15,877 --> 00:53:23,677
So-called improvements in our community, that they're given consideration to the safety.

487
00:53:23,682 --> 00:53:26,461
Of everyone. And the priority should be over.

488
00:53:26,461 --> 00:53:36,461
In my opinion, the vehicles, um, because the county's goal seems to be just moving traffic as fast as possible through our community.

489
00:53:39,884 --> 00:53:45,355
Um, so I just… I thought it's really important to share that, because it… even though everything that we knew was going to come is happening.

490
00:53:45,355 --> 00:53:47,835
It's still not too late. I still think that if we.

491
00:53:47,835 --> 00:53:57,835
Really focus on… we have started in some areas, we have gotten grant funding, um, that is in that, um.

492
00:54:02,236 --> 00:54:04,617
Norse, uh… quadrant east of Seminole Pratt, um, around Hamlin Park.

493
00:54:04,617 --> 00:54:12,417
And we… the whole intent of that was to expand out from there.

494
00:54:13,660 --> 00:54:21,720
Um, but what we haven't done. Is started looking at the whole, um.

495
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:29,795
Landscape tree, um… concept, which, in my opinion, would probably be a lot cheaper than some of the other things we're doing.

496
00:54:29,795 --> 00:54:33,823
Um, so… Anyway, to that point, maybe the county's not going to listen to us if we're not doing it ourselves.

497
00:54:33,823 --> 00:54:41,230
So, um, I just want to put that out there. Thank you.

498
00:54:42,110 --> 00:54:44,110
Oops.

499
00:54:44,381 --> 00:54:49,513
Thank you, Betty. I agree with you on Coconut. I've said it before.

500
00:54:49,513 --> 00:54:54,397
West Palm has said, they don't oppose State Road 7, they just want it west.

501
00:54:54,397 --> 00:55:02,197
And I'm really nervous that the county will start to widen Coconut.

502
00:55:03,461 --> 00:55:13,461
Before the extension's done. And the Florida Department of Transportation will scrap the extension and move those funds somewhere else.

503
00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:15,823
That cannot be touched, widened. And we have no say over it, when we can voice our opinions on it, but we have no say over Coconut, and I'm really nervous about that.

504
00:55:15,823 --> 00:55:20,370
And then, you know, State Row 7 will be right through the acreage.

505
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:25,229
And I really believe that's what City of West Palm would like to see.

506
00:55:25,229 --> 00:55:35,229
I found the picture of the horse on the M Canal very interesting. That's never gonna happen, you know horse manure will contaminate their drinking water, so that's not gonna happen.

507
00:55:38,608 --> 00:55:46,408
I say that in jest, because that's their whole. Thing. Anyways… Okay.

508
00:55:47,233 --> 00:55:48,818
So, I would like to, um… talk to, um, Charlie and Robin a little bit of.

509
00:55:48,818 --> 00:55:57,218
Some of their questions that I have of a non-horse owner to horse experts.

510
00:56:06,275 --> 00:56:12,689
And… And then some of these ideas and some of these pathways, I think all of us agree we'd like to go back 30 years if we could, and we would make a lot of changes right now, but unfortunately, we can't.

511
00:56:12,689 --> 00:56:15,151
So… For instance, okay, so we were talking about 60th.

512
00:56:15,151 --> 00:56:24,751
We know 60th is probably going to be widened to 5 lanes one day, and all that.

513
00:56:30,622 --> 00:56:33,102
So, as a horse owner. And that picture looked nice. If there was… even if it wasn't on the canal side, maybe on the M canal side, maybe the other side, and there was, uh… what do you call it a bridle path or whatever for horses.

514
00:56:33,102 --> 00:56:40,902
How do your horses respond with vehicles doing 50 and 60 miles an hour down?

515
00:56:44,330 --> 00:56:47,152
A 4- or 5-lane road. How do you feel. Riding on something like that, and how do your horses feel? And maybe you could speak.

516
00:56:47,152 --> 00:56:57,152
In general for your horse friends that also aren't here tonight, give me, like, a 30-second rundown on that.

517
00:57:00,663 --> 00:57:10,135
And if you don't mind, I'm gonna add… Remember, all the industrial that's coming west of Seminole Pratt will likely be traveling down this road also, so we're looking at.

518
00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:16,119
Probably a lot of truck traffic. We all know a horizontal. It's not a designated truck route, so they shouldn't be a…

519
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,693
That's a condition we can fight for. A horse to move in front of the car in about 2 seconds.

520
00:57:19,693 --> 00:57:29,693
In about 2 seconds. So, you have to have… you're talking about multi-use, so I'm going to go back to that.

521
00:57:32,552 --> 00:57:41,875
Use. Some horses will. Be okay with a bike coming by them, or so forth, and some horses are not trained enough to do that.

522
00:57:41,875 --> 00:57:49,777
So, any of these paths. I'd like to see, so that's my opinion, of course. You're going to get 100 different opinions.

523
00:57:49,777 --> 00:57:58,177
Sure. But… I think it would be important… I don't know how we would ever find this out. It would probably take.

524
00:57:58,177 --> 00:58:04,608
Too much work. I'd actually like to know. How many homes out here still have horses. I've lived off… A lot. There's a lot? Okay.

525
00:58:04,608 --> 00:58:13,681
I don't see them like I used to. And you don't. Not like it used to be. That's my question. Because the roads have become… You know, very dangerous. I'm out there, by the way, with horses.

526
00:58:13,681 --> 00:58:23,128
Well, summertime right now, not out there that much, but… at least 3 or 4 days a week.

527
00:58:23,128 --> 00:58:32,979
Okay. In our neighborhood, a lot of people slowed out. Education, or people moving in here for… someone that's not been around horses, we need a lot more of that.

528
00:58:32,979 --> 00:58:42,157
I like the plans, they look nice. They do look nice. You know, compliments of the board.

529
00:58:42,157 --> 00:58:46,170
That was the Lord's vision. Okay, another question for you. For instance, when people go to Nicole Hornstein, they go ride the arenas and stuff, I know they'll trailer there.

530
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:56,170
But would you… would you think that most people would like to have a trail somewhere near their home where they could actually ride, right out of their barn.

531
00:59:04,403 --> 00:59:10,450
And just go… then rather. Trailer somewhere. Everybody would. Of course. I just wanted to hear that from you. I agree. I really do agree. So, when…

532
00:59:10,450 --> 00:59:12,401
When I bring that up. Something that, you know, when we want to stay off.

533
00:59:12,401 --> 00:59:18,212
These main roads, I would think. And believe it or not, all my years out here working with the fire department.

534
00:59:18,212 --> 00:59:21,649
I… one was too many, but I did have one person hit.

535
00:59:21,649 --> 00:59:30,627
On their horse, riding their horse. So, that was me personally. I can't speak for everyone, but one was too many.

536
00:59:30,627 --> 00:59:36,646
When I think about some of our roads, our quarter-mile roads that end on canals.

537
00:59:36,646 --> 00:59:42,204
On some of the drainage canals. And over the years, people have applied for.

538
00:59:42,204 --> 00:59:50,342
Permits to gate those off, even though they don't… they're not supposed to put anything on those canal banks and something like… and things like that.

539
00:59:50,342 --> 00:59:59,492
And there's an ITID, I believe, still supposed to be able to get onto these canal easements when needed for maintenance.

540
00:59:59,492 --> 01:00:05,920
But if… and maybe it's just something we can look at, and maybe it's too late, maybe there's too many gates on these canals.

541
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:15,920
But would it… would it… do you think it would be nicer where you were able to ride down the quarter-mile roads.

542
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:26,110
Go to a canal, cut across. Come back and maybe do… you know what I'm saying? Kind of you… Like we had that…

543
01:00:26,110 --> 01:00:34,491
But, like I said. We can't do that. So many aids. Right. So many box on 8.

544
01:00:34,491 --> 01:00:44,491
And so maybe that'd be something that we could look at with residents, this… and just, you know, we're getting a drone, we could fly around and look at some of these areas and maybe.

545
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:46,948
Google, there's hardly any gates here, and… And maybe we could make some trails like that. I mean, I'm just trying to think…

546
01:00:46,948 --> 01:00:54,748
Places for you guys to ride safely, where you could leave your house.

547
01:00:57,421 --> 01:00:57,569
Ride, go home. And stay off these roads because…

548
01:00:57,569 --> 01:01:06,339
I don't even like riding my bike down, I'll be honest with you.

549
01:01:06,339 --> 01:01:10,539
Cross. But now, it would be safer.

550
01:01:10,627 --> 01:01:12,961
Instead of coming down Breakview. It's now, it's right there, the next vertical.

551
01:01:12,961 --> 01:01:17,460
But there's so many gates that there's no way to… Right. They can't get to the park.

552
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:25,227
Anywhere. And that's where we would have to reach out to the residents and go, how badly do you want this gate? I would suspect.

553
01:01:25,227 --> 01:01:28,125
Not many of them would give it up, but it's worth.

554
01:01:28,125 --> 01:01:38,125
An ask or a question. Go ahead. Um, so we did have this discussion, I believe, during the mobility plan.

555
01:01:39,548 --> 01:01:43,362
I challenged that we could not… according to the attorneys, we did not use those canal easements for.

556
01:01:43,362 --> 01:01:48,441
The equestrian trails, uh, without actually getting an easement to do so.

557
01:01:48,441 --> 01:01:55,463
Um, so that is not as simple as, you know, if we have an open area, but, you know, it sounds great.

558
01:01:55,463 --> 01:02:02,417
But, um, I asked, um, Paul Schofield used to be the manager for the City of Wellington.

559
01:02:02,417 --> 01:02:12,417
And I asked him how they dealt with it, and what they did was they actually started buying.

560
01:02:12,926 --> 01:02:15,883
The actual canals and canal banks. From the residents. And then in doing that, they were able to put what they wanted.

561
01:02:15,883 --> 01:02:25,483
Along those canal banks. So, it's just a thought. Sounds like a power lines thing.

562
01:02:31,877 --> 01:02:38,682
Um. A power line? Well, I'm just… Well, if you think about where our canals are, right? Right, I'm talking about FPL power lines. Yeah, but if you think about where our canal lines.

563
01:02:38,682 --> 01:02:42,860
Are in the easements. If we're not permitted to use that for anything but drainage, if we purchased it.

564
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:48,860
Then we could potentially use it. To make course trails.

565
01:02:51,958 --> 01:03:01,454
So, thanks. All right, and… like I said, you're not allowed to… put your cars on them, you're not allowed to store things on them, and…

566
01:03:01,454 --> 01:03:10,245
Maybe people would be interested in selling. Off that, if… obviously, we're not going to spend a lot of money on it, but it's just a…

567
01:03:10,245 --> 01:03:14,743
And then they would have to pay taxes on it. It's a thought, I'm just… I think you'd have to… I'm sorry. I think you'd have to be careful with the ATV and…

568
01:03:14,743 --> 01:03:24,743
Dirt bike riders on these, so… That would be… that is probably why most people have gated that off. Right, so we put nice posts there where the horses fit through in the… Me too, these don't. Yeah, ATVs would… yeah.

569
01:03:24,849 --> 01:03:34,849
So that, that would be… we'd have to make sure we… In a perfect world, is that something that you would find interesting?

570
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:42,292
Ah, the P. Sure. Is that something you guys would ride if we had areas around the acreage like that?

571
01:03:42,292 --> 01:03:44,608
Where you're away from. The orange and the coconut and some of the main roads.

572
01:03:44,608 --> 01:03:52,878
Where, you know, you might have to cross them, but you're not riding.

573
01:03:52,878 --> 01:03:55,878
Parallel with them. Right. Agree.

574
01:04:05,542 --> 01:04:11,500
Even the way it is now, back at homework. People that are turning cloud, other people are going off the road to the right to get there. There's no way that…

575
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,500
I agree. And…

576
01:04:13,888 --> 01:04:19,136
And then, Dr. Delaney, I saw that you mentioned the roundabouts.

577
01:04:19,136 --> 01:04:22,126
And I know we got one at 1 40th and Temple.

578
01:04:22,126 --> 01:04:28,726
I know a lot of people really dislike those, especially those.

579
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:33,354
With trailers, and just for me to make a left. On one of those with my F250.

580
01:04:33,354 --> 01:04:43,354
Is difficult without hitting the edge of the grass, so those people who have boats and campers and buggies and things like that, they can't make that left, and what they're doing as they're approaching the roundabout.

581
01:04:47,961 --> 01:04:57,961
They're cutting it short, and so if the roundabout's here, they're just… angling off, and they're turning that way.

582
01:05:00,406 --> 01:05:06,343
Which, when you have a car coming. From your left, and then it gets really dicey, and I've seen that happen, so…

583
01:05:06,343 --> 01:05:08,558
It just says a lot. Yeah, and the accidents that happen… the crashes that happen are lower speed.

584
01:05:08,558 --> 01:05:11,822
So, crashes that happen around about… I don't think they're in a locality.

585
01:05:11,822 --> 01:05:19,785
All routes, yeah. I mean, I'm not… I'm certainly not against ground belt. But the one on Hall is way too small.

586
01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:28,820
There's no way that you can get a poor horse trailer and a truck.

587
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:37,214
I'm… I'm Paul in that roundabout. There's no way. So I think when I was browsing through the mobility plan, I saw where.

588
01:05:37,214 --> 01:05:40,330
You kind of divided the lane. Instead of doing a roundabout, you kind of, as the person came up to the intersection, it was a divide, like.

589
01:05:40,330 --> 01:05:50,330
That seemed to slow down people also, so maybe instead of doing a full roundabout, we could do that… yeah, we could do that instead.

590
01:05:55,782 --> 01:06:05,782
Um, I actually drove down one of the roads, and I… definitely slows you down a little bit, so… and I think we have other areas where kind of the similar, but I think there might be, like, a speed hump there, too.

591
01:06:06,809 --> 01:06:10,300
That, um… I think that's… is it 1 40th? That they do that, where the road kind of splits instead of doing a roundabout, it splits again, and I think there's, like, a small.

592
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:18,458
Speed hump there. But I think the splitting of the lane a little bit to where it's not just a straight shot. Maybe if we did that more at our intersections.

593
01:06:18,458 --> 01:06:24,273
Would slow people down and not be an inconvenience for people with the larger vehicles.

594
01:06:24,273 --> 01:06:32,730
Sure. Would be something we could maybe focus in on instead of the.

595
01:06:38,693 --> 01:06:44,347
Speed humps and the, um… The one that you have, that you're referring to, isn't actually the picture that we used in your catalog, because it is extremely effective, it's pretty low cost, it adds a little landscaping in the street.

596
01:06:44,347 --> 01:06:52,147
So, and where the roundabouts might be. More appropriate, is in the larger.

597
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:55,505
Rights of what, like coconut and orange. The bigger intersections, where a trailer can make, if you have a four-lane roundabout.

598
01:06:55,505 --> 01:07:00,917
Tulane and Tulane. You have enough room for trailers to navigate that.

599
01:07:00,917 --> 01:07:09,317
So, they're very tight in neighborhood streets, and they perform a different function.

600
01:07:10,578 --> 01:07:16,728
You know, it's intended to slow people down. And actually make them, like, a little cautious, right? That's kind of part of the purpose. But to your point.

601
01:07:16,728 --> 01:07:19,666
Um, the, um, the types of locations. Where you may want to focus some energy.

602
01:07:19,666 --> 01:07:29,400
Is if coconut is to be improved. And we're not advocating for them. Right. We're just acknowledging.

603
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:34,600
What's in the plans that are happening around them, right? So… If those plans materialize.

604
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,839
A strategy you may want to consider. Would be collaborating with the county.

605
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:46,239
To help find a way to treat the intersections of those major roadways differently.

606
01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:51,469
Again, not advocating for the widening. But acknowledging that it's a scenario that might be.

607
01:07:51,469 --> 01:07:58,908
Worth, um, some effort on the part of the district. To mitigate some of the sweets.

608
01:07:58,908 --> 01:08:04,262
Well, because they are going to white and orange layer as well, so… it would make a difference. Um…

609
01:08:04,262 --> 01:08:13,262
Have you guys come up with any thoughts on… where we could put trails today.

610
01:08:15,168 --> 01:08:15,986
Without having to… buy, or, you know, acquire, or…

611
01:08:15,986 --> 01:08:24,386
Make a lot of changes. Have you… have you found anywhere in the district.

612
01:08:26,650 --> 01:08:28,860
That makes sense. We have looked at the old trail maps.

613
01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:38,860
And started working with some of that, but a lot of the areas that still be investigated.

614
01:08:38,424 --> 01:08:40,424
Put that…

615
01:08:44,389 --> 01:08:50,745
Some of the… some of the areas are very safe. Like, near my house, something dirty.

616
01:08:50,745 --> 01:08:55,984
Section of grass. Some areas are very dense, so, you know, working with.

617
01:08:55,984 --> 01:09:01,384
With all of that. I'll take some time.

618
01:09:04,821 --> 01:09:14,821
Okay. And, um, what about heading up to the M1? When you guys went out there, right?

619
01:09:17,543 --> 01:09:21,740
And what did you think about all that? Very knowledge. That's too… Yeah, sorry. Yeah, M0. I mean, they're giving us…

620
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:28,874
Less than a month, a year. To be able to use that. Hmm.

621
01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:39,890
Because of hunting in the corporate. Right, so that's… And everything else. So that's… The problem is very limited. Right. And the limited time, it's August, and they're… It's too hot. And it's too hot.

622
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:50,820
There's no shade on that. I mean, it was a nice place, no doubt, but… Not if it's only August.

623
01:09:50,150 --> 01:09:57,780
No, that doesn't make sense. And at 1.30, it's where are you looking at, Charlie?

624
01:09:57,780 --> 01:10:02,478
On a 401 Irving. So, 483, all the way down to 60.

625
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:13,140
Yeah, you're, you're, like, in the best place. Yeah, do you mean… And you got a lot of easement on that M1 canal, too.

626
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:17,609
Yeah, so on that south side. And east. And…

627
01:10:17,609 --> 01:10:23,618
The traffic is good there, still. They're far enough away from the building.

628
01:10:23,618 --> 01:10:30,630
I didn't have a few crossings that… You know, education.

629
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:38,463
Silent. I think we started. And, uh… That's pretty nice to have lift.

630
01:10:39,267 --> 01:10:49,267
Okay. And that'll take you, so… So you're going from, basically, from 40th to 60th, and then just…

631
01:10:50,326 --> 01:10:56,942
Turning around. Well… Well, yeah, you can, you can do that, or you can go all the way to 60th and go on to the north side of 60th and go to the direction.

632
01:10:56,942 --> 01:11:02,959
Once you get to Coconut, you all understand that situation. Come back over to that out of the frost equipped in.

633
01:11:02,959 --> 01:11:10,521
So, if we're going to make these trails that we need crossings, besides.

634
01:11:10,521 --> 01:11:18,921
On the north side of the education. But we're in order for them.

635
01:11:22,316 --> 01:11:27,622
The manager doesn't really have something. If I can just make an observation, um, what, um, the map on the screen illustrates.

636
01:11:27,622 --> 01:11:30,989
The alignments that were recommended. Based on input from the board and the Park and Rec Department.

637
01:11:30,989 --> 01:11:40,945
When the plan was drafted, the coconut, for example, is not recommended as part of your trail network. We tried to find a way to accommodate equestrians if that was a design.

638
01:11:40,945 --> 01:11:49,945
But we'd never recommend that road be held up to, like, a trail steam.

639
01:11:51,738 --> 01:11:59,940
So, what made more sense when the plan was drafted. Was to try to focus your effort on the roads that you can, frankly, still salvage and protect. So.

640
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:01,587
So, for example, if you think about. Where that crossing is at Temple and Seminole Press, right?

641
01:12:01,587 --> 01:12:10,587
If you're gonna focus your efforts, there's a shotgun approach sometimes to planning.

642
01:12:14,808 --> 01:12:16,467
That's really hard to avoid, because. When you have a 64 colors to use, you want to use all the colors all over the place, right? But…

643
01:12:16,467 --> 01:12:23,670
But to be effective and efficient in developing a trail network.

644
01:12:25,498 --> 01:12:30,347
What the plan recommends is focusing your effort. On a smaller number of corridors.

645
01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:36,103
Where you really put your effort in to get a quality facility. So, acknowledging.

646
01:12:36,103 --> 01:12:43,441
That there were gates along a number of the canals, and so we knew, when the plan was drafted, that that was kind of a non-starter.

647
01:12:43,441 --> 01:12:53,441
You got the M1 and the M2, right? You have a couple of canals that are desirable, and you have those key destinations.

648
01:12:55,345 --> 01:13:05,345
So what… what became the recommendation. Was to try to focus your efforts in those locations where, again, you could make.

649
01:13:05,688 --> 01:13:13,247
A few quality facilities. So that you had a way to traverse the district. Like, for example, Temple, right? Or Great View.

650
01:13:13,247 --> 01:13:17,880
Right? There are just a couple of roads. Where that might be… a better value for your effort.

651
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,561
Um, to get those facilities connected, and then… When they lead to roads like Pratt Whitney.

652
01:13:20,561 --> 01:13:29,340
Seminole fratweather, you have a better chance of trying to get a safe crossing then. And there's only a few of them that are recommended.

653
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:33,581
Um, so that you can, again, focus your effort. It's much more powerful to try to do that.

654
01:13:33,581 --> 01:13:40,781
This is… this set of lines, the dashed lines on this map.

655
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:49,702
Were the culmination of that work. It might be… a place to start to validate whether or not.

656
01:13:49,702 --> 01:13:59,302
These are the facilities, these are the alignments. That still makes sense, and maybe prioritize this.

657
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,795
Uh, we've already started building some of it. Yeah, the solid lines are… Well, it's definitely going to be a safer road, because about every 10 feet or so.

658
01:14:04,795 --> 01:14:14,795
Feed well. So you can't really speed on. And that is… that does lead to the question.

659
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:20,913
If we made a tap. This ain't enough as well.

660
01:14:20,913 --> 01:14:27,646
It's probably the slowest road. I think he removes those horrible books you're talking about.

661
01:14:27,646 --> 01:14:35,952
We've actually had complete some residence, but… using Lisbon, the ones that live there.

662
01:14:35,952 --> 01:14:42,240
Um, because it did keep people from. Going really fast, and now they have no place to walk, and there's no place to ride.

663
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,440
Because the cars are going to pass.

664
01:14:47,984 --> 01:14:52,733
But we are looking at other options, too.

665
01:14:52,733 --> 01:14:55,133
Purchases. Disengaged back there.

666
01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:10,542
Thank you. Up front out of this, so when… For the committee.

667
01:15:10,542 --> 01:15:12,542
Yeah.

668
01:15:14,569 --> 01:15:23,998
For them to have a printer. It's just about getting sad feedback, I don't know.

669
01:15:23,998 --> 01:15:32,998
This is what I'm asking. So, I want to make sure that they have.

670
01:15:40,994 --> 01:15:43,579
They have it. There's more, yeah. I want to make sure you guys have a copy of this, and I want you guys… I mean, you can just drive it and see, yeah, something bigger, because this… I'm in trouble seeing it just on the screen.

671
01:15:43,579 --> 01:15:53,179
Um, and get a feel for, especially the dotted lines, where they were thinking, you know.

672
01:15:57,310 --> 01:16:06,662
Back then, that these might be viable. Are they still… what would we need to do to make it happen, to make it safe?

673
01:16:06,662 --> 01:16:16,249
You know, is there… I worry about dogs, too, obviously, right? So, you know, you got some crazy dogs, they're gonna see horses, and they're gonna run the fence. How is your horse gonna react?

674
01:16:16,249 --> 01:16:22,858
Um, you know, is there a buffer? Can we make a landscape buffer, like Dr. Delaney was saying, right? And it… it…

675
01:16:22,858 --> 01:16:25,558
It helps the resident, and it'll help the rider. If there's a buffer. Um, so there's many aspects to benefit.

676
01:16:25,558 --> 01:16:35,558
For that. Um, so I'd really like for you guys to have this and really look at that.

677
01:16:36,358 --> 01:16:45,869
And see which roads make the most sense. What's going to give you the most bang for your buck, so to speak, when you're out riding?

678
01:16:45,869 --> 01:16:52,583
Um, and what's the connectivity look like? Every time we say we're crossing Seminole Pride on a horse, and I think about the construction that's going on now, it just makes me cringe.

679
01:16:52,583 --> 01:16:56,366
Um, is there a way, you know. Do… do we have two?

680
01:16:56,366 --> 01:17:04,361
You know, talking… we're talking about 168, so we have one on the west side, one on the east side. Where is that one on the west side going? Is it going around this loop?

681
01:17:04,361 --> 01:17:12,950
That's kind of nice. Um, we went back and forth a little bit a year or so ago with GL about that, and they didn't want us to do it, but I think, you know, there's room.

682
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:22,950
Um, to have conversation about that in the future, for sure. Um, so we can have that.

683
01:17:25,781 --> 01:17:31,807
That trail. Um… I mean, because even now, by me, I see less and less people riding, because people are drilling so fast down the main road.

684
01:17:31,807 --> 01:17:41,407
Um, so… and I agree, education… We've got to get, you know, create a pamphlet.

685
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:56,100
You know, something, a handout that we could give people, like the way the police have for the… for the four-wheelers, you know, something like that. You know, maybe, um… The girl. Yes. Yes. You get a handout, right. No, but just something, you know, to have here, to.

686
01:17:57,934 --> 01:18:03,450
Pass out at events, or whatever, give your neighbors, um… just the more education we can provide.

687
01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:11,673
Obviously, the better. And then we've got young, young people that are just starting to drive, they don't understand.

688
01:18:11,673 --> 01:18:15,252
Um, you know, sharing the road with horses. Uh, so maybe something the schools can give out?

689
01:18:15,252 --> 01:18:25,252
When, you know, to the seniors or something like that. In the driver's egg course. Yeah, yeah.

690
01:18:25,394 --> 01:18:26,501
Um, so, just… thinking along those lines, um, I'd love to see you guys.

691
01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:36,440
You know, work on something like that, too, and maybe you can get that girl to do the video.

692
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:46,440
To work with us, but Trisha's gonna need ours. I think she graduated, but I… we will contact Mr. Wright again. We will contact Mr. Wright again. I think they're… they were very open to helping us out, and they did a…

693
01:18:52,294 --> 01:19:02,294
Classic. And that was great, and… There you go. And yeah, I think my thing's… Right, right. Any… even the one that.

694
01:19:08,743 --> 01:19:15,270
They made. You know, structure and all the groups. You know, and… I know we did put him on social media, I don't know how often we run it. I think, yeah, I think it needs to be… You need to do, like, a monthly? Yes. A monthly refresh on that. Yep.

695
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:22,227
Spitstorming here on the equestrian, maybe, um… maybe we come up with.

696
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:35,555
Something that we… because we're going to have a social media PR person, maybe we can come up with, like, a monthly… bull… like, little social media blurb, you know, just, hey, this is… remember, you know, this is Equestrian Day, remember this safety action, or whatever, to start getting it out there.

697
01:19:35,555 --> 01:19:45,296
Um, so we can work on that. We'll get that put on the agenda. Between that, let's make sure this gets put on, um, printed up for them.

698
01:19:45,296 --> 01:19:49,299
Um, I would say that we… we did do a tour.

699
01:19:49,299 --> 01:19:59,299
April? March? April? May? Spring? Somewhere. Um, we did do the tour where we met up at, um.

700
01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:05,430
Acreage Community Park South, and we drove. The, um… that 1.30 at that one… no, we did the, um…

701
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:14,643
I guess the southeastern quadrant of the acreage, um, and did, like, the 140th to 130th.

702
01:20:16,539 --> 01:20:17,970
Passed by the, um… park that's over there, trying to see what the park would be…

703
01:20:17,970 --> 01:20:25,732
Trail looks like, what needs to be fixed, what we need to focus in on. So we did do that, that drive there.

704
01:20:25,732 --> 01:20:33,532
And we're trying to, um… the light that's going on? Um.

705
01:20:35,164 --> 01:20:42,494
We are trying… we… the way we were looking at it is, it was… so much that had to be taken care of that we're trying to focus in on one section at a time.

706
01:20:42,494 --> 01:20:47,647
Because otherwise, we come up with all these ideas, but there's so many that… you couldn't focus. So that's when the committee decided to.

707
01:20:47,647 --> 01:20:57,647
Narrow it down. Let's focus on this, let's make sure we get the science put in, let's make sure that we're looking at that trail and whatnot. And once we see that getting accomplished.

708
01:21:05,522 --> 01:21:15,361
Then we start moving on to another section. So. Um, we did take a look at the MO panel area. Um, I know it was brought up, I don't know if it was ever confirmed about the hunting, and if it would really affect… I just know that that was something.

709
01:21:15,361 --> 01:21:25,361
Former committee member had mentioned. But I don't know if we ever found out about the hunting schedule, and if it would affect anybody that was riding in there.

710
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:33,443
So, I wanted to ask a question about that, because… They shouldn't be hunting on our side, in our area. I think the fear was that they were shooting over there, across the way, and… But I don't think that's permitted. I think there… there's limitations on that, so…

711
01:21:33,443 --> 01:21:43,443
I don't know. I think it's something that we need to investigate a little bit further on.

712
01:21:47,711 --> 01:21:50,418
I think that was just more of a, um… I see you. I think that was just more of a… something that somebody pointed out, but I don't know if we ever had an actual fact.

713
01:21:50,418 --> 01:21:56,391
To back that up on, so we can figure that out. Heidi had something to say.

714
01:21:56,391 --> 01:22:02,991
During, um, hunting seasons from March, or from August to January.

715
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:17,319
Horses can ride in Corbett, however, you have to wear an orange vest, but they highly… do not recommend doing that, only because of the amount of…

716
01:22:18,489 --> 01:22:25,976
Hunters that are now there, and safety. Um, they do hunt Liam Moss.

717
01:22:25,976 --> 01:22:33,124
Leah Moss is on the… south side of… our road that acts as the LA Canal.

718
01:22:33,124 --> 01:22:35,438
And that is a still hunt area. Yes. Yes, ma'am.

719
01:22:35,438 --> 01:22:45,438
But our property is not, so that's still… it's close enough that it would put a horse rider in danger. Yeah, no, I would recommend it during the season. It should or whatnot.

720
01:22:50,806 --> 01:22:56,490
It's the point that the vicinity is too close. The other concern was the alligators out there.

721
01:22:56,490 --> 01:23:05,590
Um, especially during the mating season, so… Well, that's the spring, yeah, so… So we're gonna bank itself is pretty mowed.

722
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:13,990
Yeah. At Gators when they hear her. Footsteps, or boards of smoke. Yeah, yeah.

723
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:29,336
And I think we were putting a pathway to cross over to the island. So, um… I think it would be interesting if you've ran into an alligator on the island, but… but other than that, to walk to a bank back there and stuff like that wasn't so bad.

724
01:23:29,336 --> 01:23:39,336
Um, so… I'm not a horse rider. I just join in. I kind of… I'm there just to make sure the meeting runs smoothly, so… and they stay on track. But, um… I don't know, that's bad.

725
01:23:44,577 --> 01:23:47,132
I've got a question for you. Go ahead, Lou.

726
01:23:47,132 --> 01:23:57,132
I just, you know, all these meetings over all these years, horse trails, horse trails, horse trails, I had horses for 16 years.

727
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:11,320
And out of all these purple trails, do you guys know how many of them are… accessible, usable, and good usable working order today, or… I thought I heard not too long ago that a lot of these purple trails.

728
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:18,162
Are not usable, safe, or passable. Do we know what the current condition of all the trails are?

729
01:24:18,162 --> 01:24:26,946
Not all the trails, no. But, uh, there's a lot of trails that are still out there.

730
01:24:26,946 --> 01:24:36,546
And then some of the trails have had Bertile Island. The only thought is, you know.

731
01:24:37,582 --> 01:24:42,887
Expanding more trails and trails. That's all great, but if the trails we have aren't working order, then…

732
01:24:42,887 --> 01:24:47,415
What are we doing? Again, a lot of the trails are working.

733
01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:54,615
But… they're here and there. Well, one example is right here.

734
01:24:59,470 --> 01:25:00,657
I don't know what we did. But 60… the 61st here is supposed to be an equestrian trail. I don't know where the trail is now.

735
01:25:00,657 --> 01:25:05,638
And 1 40th. I don't know where that trail is. Where's somebody supposed to go?

736
01:25:05,638 --> 01:25:13,106
And the way we design that road, I don't know where they're supposed to ride.

737
01:25:13,106 --> 01:25:20,214
So, and that is on our map. I think 61st was done after we did the tour.

738
01:25:20,214 --> 01:25:29,855
Um, right here. Yeah, right here. Yeah. I think it was done after the tournament. But that was something we were looking at when we did do the tour, that was something they were looking at, was… Seeing how the swales were, and how a horse could traverse.

739
01:25:29,855 --> 01:25:39,855
Through, um, on the horse trail section. What I'm saying is that now that we've redone it, I don't think whoever redid it thought about that.

740
01:25:45,394 --> 01:25:48,358
And that was supposed to be… part of the quest… the… the… design of that road for the R3 plan.

741
01:25:48,358 --> 01:25:57,462
So, something that I was going to bring up, and I just thought about it as they're sitting here, because.

742
01:25:57,462 --> 01:26:00,112
There used to be signage there. And then I drove it on the weekend.

743
01:26:00,112 --> 01:26:07,941
And the signage is not there, I don't know where you would go. Can I put you guys on task to look at that before the next meeting? That really should be… And see what needs to be done, yeah.

744
01:26:07,941 --> 01:26:14,345
I was gonna say that I have no problem setting up an audit of the trail system.

745
01:26:14,345 --> 01:26:24,450
It's staffed, and we can kind of take a ride out there and take a look at each of these, and kind of take videos and photos of.

746
01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:30,355
Concerns, and what is accessible, what's not accessible. Who's maintaining our trails right now?

747
01:26:30,355 --> 01:26:40,355
Is it parks? Is it maintenance? It's more maintenance than anything right now, but… This has been a long.

748
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:46,432
Ongoing issue with district staff. Is that, you know, everybody points the fingers about who's responsible for it.

749
01:26:46,432 --> 01:26:53,632
Years ago, we directed that the Parks Department was responsible for maintaining.

750
01:26:55,850 --> 01:27:02,900
The equestrian trails. And again, I think that that's kind of gone to the wayside.

751
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:06,637
And I think that's kind of what you're referring to. We hear from people all the time, they cannot drive.

752
01:27:06,637 --> 01:27:13,237
Ride on the trails that we have, because of. The trash.

753
01:27:15,872 --> 01:27:20,409
It's not maintained. Um, you know, there's been obstructions put in there, like you said.

754
01:27:20,409 --> 01:27:29,737
Um, so if… if we're not maintaining it regularly. We're not even aware as staff.

755
01:27:29,737 --> 01:27:37,874
What's going on, and I think that that's… Priority number one. That's just my opinion.

756
01:27:37,874 --> 01:27:45,534
And so we need to figure out who could be doing this… Right, because we've got… We've got now…

757
01:27:45,534 --> 01:27:49,791
Our stormwater. In charge of swells, which is basically the trails.

758
01:27:49,791 --> 01:27:52,882
Stormwater can't maintain trails. Trails are part of the park system.

759
01:27:52,882 --> 01:28:02,882
But the swales are being replaced as we're redoing roads, and they're getting very steep now, with some major… people can't even mow it, never mind ride a horse on it.

760
01:28:05,633 --> 01:28:13,353
So, that's something that we're looking at. Uh, right now, that's a major issue.

761
01:28:13,353 --> 01:28:18,153
Um, so with that… Uh, this is all…

762
01:28:23,733 --> 01:28:29,246
Relative to that. Um, so… yeah, I'd like Kenny, I'd like you guys to just kind of do an inventory of the existing trails. Let's start there.

763
01:28:29,246 --> 01:28:37,646
Do the inventory of the existing trails. And then we're… we have to…

764
01:28:37,798 --> 01:28:39,676
It has to be delegated to one department or another. Because, especially now that stormwater's doing swell, stormwater is not…

765
01:28:39,676 --> 01:28:48,202
You know, parks or roadway or anything. No, that's what I'm saying. It can't… it can't be. It can't be.

766
01:28:48,202 --> 01:28:58,202
And it can't be road, so that leaves parks. And I, you know, I know it's putting a lot more on you, because we ask a lot from parks, because we want all our parks to be nice, and.

767
01:28:58,553 --> 01:29:05,823
We want you, you know, babysitting Juniper and all of that, which we have to have a conversation about.

768
01:29:05,823 --> 01:29:14,174
Um, so I know it's adding to your… to your plate, but we are adding staff, so hopefully that's gonna help.

769
01:29:14,174 --> 01:29:24,174
And it's not something that somebody has to be out there constantly, like we do at ACP, that we need somebody with eyes on it constantly.

770
01:29:26,579 --> 01:29:32,579
But, um, at least… have a schedule more than that.

771
01:29:36,668 --> 01:29:45,841
Oh, like, twice. Right, so… and… and trash, trash, I mean, we're not garbage men, but…

772
01:29:45,841 --> 01:29:55,677
We've got to keep it maintained to a certain level, and, you know, maybe… Put some signs out, you know, people stopped throwing trash on the ground, and maybe more people will have…

773
01:29:55,677 --> 01:30:05,677
We'll adopt roads and clean up the trash. And I remember a few years back, um, Keith would say, well, what about an Adopt-a-Trail program?

774
01:30:07,983 --> 01:30:12,393
The same way we have the Adopt-a-Road program. And then maybe people can adopt the trail, and yeah, and keep the trails clean, and that would be really helpful, and especially, you know, equestrian people.

775
01:30:12,393 --> 01:30:15,936
Um, I think that would be great, and that would take the burden off of staff, because… they're busy trying to keep the parks together.

776
01:30:15,936 --> 01:30:25,936
Um, so, yeah, just, um, if you can do an inventory, and then we can figure out a schedule, you know, just a check.

777
01:30:27,259 --> 01:30:32,714
Okay. And just see where we're at, and if you have to… if you need something, you know, just come to the board, and… We'll… we'll get it done, because this is important.

778
01:30:32,714 --> 01:30:40,160
It's important we have trails, but it's more important that we have safe trails, because nobody wants to ride.

779
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,133
And I see it all the time. There's no safe place to ride, no safe place to ride.

780
01:30:44,133 --> 01:30:54,133
So, let's make those safe places, and let's improve on the places that we have to make them safe or safer.

781
01:30:56,733 --> 01:31:02,420
We do have a sponsorship form for the, uh. Trail tossing sound. Excellent.

782
01:31:02,420 --> 01:31:12,420
So, don't we have to improve that step further? Yeah. Well, I mean, we're working on… And then, um… You could workbook the Adopter Road and do basically the same thing, just change the road to trail. Yeah, that's what we're working on, but they're finishing it up, and then they'll bring it to the board for… Excellent, excellent, thank you.

783
01:31:21,913 --> 01:31:24,892
Rich. All right. Carrie, can you make the… or Scarlett, the map?

784
01:31:24,892 --> 01:31:32,692
Larger, again, the one that's on the left, thank you so much.

785
01:31:38,282 --> 01:31:48,282
Oh, hey. So I'm looking at the existing equestrian trail I'm looking at along the L8 there, and… Obviously, some of these, I would… honestly, uh, Kenny or Jeff, if you guys go out there, I would like to see some of these, so let me know if you're gonna do some of this.

786
01:31:51,163 --> 01:31:54,808
I'm looking… so here we are, about 33. Square miles of units, right, with residential, but we're 110 square miles total.

787
01:31:54,808 --> 01:32:04,808
We gotta have some somewhere nice areas for some of these trails. I'm looking at future equestrian trails.

788
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:18,239
They look like they're a little bit… maybe in a safer area. Some of these I'm not looking at main roads running through there.

789
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:21,671
Almost looks like maybe west is best, and maybe South. And… when you guys were talking about the M0.

790
01:32:21,671 --> 01:32:31,671
Where are you entering along the M0 on the south side of core? Remember, we're talking around 190th and 94th, or is that where the entrance is?

791
01:32:36,370 --> 01:32:40,837
Heading west out towards the… M1 impoundment, correct?

792
01:32:43,591 --> 01:32:45,418
Okay. I mean, that… Seems really nice area, but once again, that's not from your house, especially you, Charlie, right?

793
01:32:45,418 --> 01:32:55,418
And, uh, that's probably about as far away as you could get. So, another question is.

794
01:32:56,849 --> 01:32:57,771
When you guys are riding. How far can you actually ride before you need a break or your horse needs water?

795
01:32:57,771 --> 01:33:07,771
Things like that. Are we talking a couple miles? Are we talking 10 miles? Ocean of the rider, position of the horse. Okay, so it's… it's pretty dynamic.

796
01:33:10,644 --> 01:33:12,770
7? So…

797
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:17,936
And if we were to do something like this, obviously, we may even need to install.

798
01:33:17,936 --> 01:33:27,936
Uh, wells with pitcher pumps in order to pump water out for you guys and things. It's not as well.

799
01:33:28,514 --> 01:33:36,914
I don't know how safe the water is, and it becomes our liability.

800
01:33:39,605 --> 01:33:45,605
You did bring that up. Bring your own water, sorry.

801
01:33:48,525 --> 01:33:52,725
Yeah, same. The… So the natural area…

802
01:33:57,894 --> 01:34:07,894
Baha'i ACP. And I remember talk about the trailhead there, and things like that. Where is the actual riding?

803
01:34:12,405 --> 01:34:20,339
In that area. They're not… well… So, the talk about Trailhead around ACP, where would the riding there be? The trailhead for Acre…

804
01:34:20,339 --> 01:34:29,926
Acp and South. Is pretty much right at the end of 61st here, and just slightly to the right. Okay. If you look, the gate is…

805
01:34:29,926 --> 01:34:36,669
There, but it's, like, blocked. Where it used to be, I don't know… Um, there's actually two fences, and the second fence will be removed once we finish that area. Okay.

806
01:34:36,669 --> 01:34:38,630
But there is a trail. That was built that runs up that side.

807
01:34:38,630 --> 01:34:47,362
And then goes the backside of Acreage Community Park. I've been on that. Yeah. And that's part of it. And ERM closed that back entrance. Okay.

808
01:34:47,362 --> 01:34:50,207
And, um, the county said that we could not open up.

809
01:34:50,207 --> 01:34:56,600
This entrance, um… well, actually, the second entrance until the paving was done.

810
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:01,707
And until the trailhead was done, we couldn't open up that gate. So that's something that maybe we should look into as well.

811
01:35:01,707 --> 01:35:11,707
I was just told last week when I brought this up, or the last meeting, um, that that's actually being done as part of.

812
01:35:12,219 --> 01:35:20,190
This improvement. Whenever it's gonna start. Okay. So when is it starting?

813
01:35:23,459 --> 01:35:33,248
Um, just quickly, for the record, Burgess was requesting, uh. To add this to the record, that will include the mowing and trash pickup with athletic fields RFP for existing trails.

814
01:35:33,248 --> 01:35:38,648
So, this will be added into there as well.

815
01:35:41,490 --> 01:35:46,400
Um, so what's happening with that construction project? The, uh, with the South Florida Water Management. We just got an email from them Friday. They were supposed to be releasing the permit this week.

816
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:52,000
Is what they said, so it'll be about a week early from their deadline, which was for 12.

817
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,928
Is that holding up, doing the equestrian… Um, the trailhead?

818
01:35:54,928 --> 01:35:59,270
We can… the trailhead's gonna be done internally, but we have to kind of.

819
01:35:59,270 --> 01:36:07,954
Coordinate with them as far as staging materials and things like that to limit the amount of damage to that park.

820
01:36:07,954 --> 01:36:14,615
So it is kind of in that same general area. So, we can get the bulk of at least.

821
01:36:14,615 --> 01:36:22,836
Demo work out, then we can start working. That trail and the parking lot, everything else, so we kind of have to work side by side with them on now.

822
01:36:22,836 --> 01:36:31,236
I have another question. So, Charlie, you live right by Royal Pines Natural Area?

823
01:36:32,375 --> 01:36:34,186
And you ride in there? And to the park? Yes. Aren't there trails in there for horseback riding? I think you have to have a…

824
01:36:34,186 --> 01:36:41,386
It's very small. Small. Yes, there it is. But there is.

825
01:36:42,322 --> 01:36:47,423
So… when we're looking at the natural area on the west side of.

826
01:36:47,423 --> 01:36:53,423
Of, um, ACP South Expansion. Between the park and 143rd.

827
01:36:57,482 --> 01:37:04,439
Is… are we gonna be able to ride. In that area, or is, um… a no on that.

828
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:09,669
Could… could we maybe… says that we are allowed to drop rye.

829
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:15,435
On that trail. So that's what our permit says.

830
01:37:15,435 --> 01:37:21,595
So, I don't know why they would allow us to. Build a trail, get all that money. In fact, we use grant funding to build it.

831
01:37:21,595 --> 01:37:23,781
And then turn around and say we can't use it. Especially when they're not…

832
01:37:23,781 --> 01:37:28,676
Maintaining it themselves. That really was supposed to be just a connectivity.

833
01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:36,758
Um, trail, and, uh, beginner trail. So that's why there's a trailhead there. If you had, like, young kids and you wanted to.

834
01:37:36,758 --> 01:37:46,758
Them to be able to ride. It's not meant to be, like, an all-day kind of park event, yeah.

835
01:37:49,691 --> 01:37:52,333
Or you could park there, and you could ride. To the other trails. When you look at the size of that area back there, I mean, you could really…

836
01:37:52,333 --> 01:38:02,333
We're not allowed to go through the ERM area, only on the trail, which is really just along the river. That's something that they won't even talk about? No, no.

837
01:38:08,261 --> 01:38:17,447
No, it's just on the perimeter. Yeah. Sorry. This is through the chair. So, just quickly, at the Royal Palm Preserve, they've really.

838
01:38:17,447 --> 01:38:23,499
Restricted… most of the trail. Now it's along the canal, which runs parallel with E-Road.

839
01:38:23,499 --> 01:38:32,889
And then with South North Road, and there's, like, one… interior path or trail that connects.

840
01:38:32,889 --> 01:38:41,106
And then, as Ms. Argue was saying. Over at Acre Ridge Pines, it's the same thing, there's just a…

841
01:38:41,106 --> 01:38:49,420
A quick trail through, and… And apparently they do have cameras, and they do monitor, and if a horse goes off the path.

842
01:38:49,420 --> 01:38:56,667
They actually restrict you and trespass you off those trails. So it's not like you can just meander through there. Yeah, I've actually heard about people.

843
01:38:56,667 --> 01:39:01,485
Even recently riding in there and being caught, and um… wasn't… yeah.

844
01:39:01,485 --> 01:39:06,619
Payments to build that burp, and I think the county has said some jokes about it.

845
01:39:06,619 --> 01:39:13,819
Some of those things. I gotta go back and look at those.

846
01:39:17,326 --> 01:39:26,210
It'd be worth bringing back up. I mean, I don't… I don't know how much destruction, horse hoofs, walking through…

847
01:39:26,210 --> 01:39:32,650
Trail design for them, create… I'm gonna say it's probably not that much, that it's not like it's gonna… destroy the planet or anything, so… Why couldn't we have something for our equestrian riders?

848
01:39:32,650 --> 01:39:40,347
Through the natural air, it'd be really nice. It's the… the ocean.

849
01:39:40,347 --> 01:39:46,365
Well, it depends, though. Right, but it depends. Because if people are, you know.

850
01:39:46,365 --> 01:39:56,365
Giving drugs to their horses, then that's in the manure. So, you know, if you've got somebody that.

851
01:39:57,662 --> 01:40:02,746
You know, it's not giving them anything, but… you know, it's not likely. It's gonna be something else in the Northside Stephanie.

852
01:40:02,746 --> 01:40:07,800
Unfortunately. And this is why it's such a big problem. From the more coming out of Welland.

853
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:14,946
We live in an area where we're on relatively septic, and we have 50,000 people, and every one of us will probably take some sort of.

854
01:40:14,946 --> 01:40:24,946
Well, that's… that's why it's all in the rivers and the ocean and everything else, but don't let the horses put it.

855
01:40:26,540 --> 01:40:36,540
No, I know, weekly, but that's the… Okay, well, I didn't know that. Thank you for saying that.

856
01:40:39,383 --> 01:40:49,383
Well, I think… does anybody have any more questions, or we can wrap up for tonight? I think… One last thing I wanted to say. Um, thank you for… reviewing this with us, um, tonight, and, um, I wanted to point out, because I forgot.

857
01:40:54,367 --> 01:40:56,251
And Burgess, I hope you're listening. Um, those arrowhead, um, trail signs that she has.

858
01:40:56,251 --> 01:41:02,667
Um, in here, I really like those, and I think those are great markers for trails.

859
01:41:02,667 --> 01:41:11,928
Um, and, you know, that whole concept. So, if we could take a look at that.

860
01:41:11,928 --> 01:41:14,540
Um, I know that… you were looking at some other options. I'm going to say again.

861
01:41:14,540 --> 01:41:23,667
I think those new signs that we have, I know you put a lot of work into them.

862
01:41:23,667 --> 01:41:25,270
But I think anybody who is colorblind. Um, the coloring, it just doesn't… doesn't work. Um…

863
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:30,159
So, we have to find a way to have something that's unique, that stands out for.

864
01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:35,859
People, when they're in the community, and it's not just my opinion, I've heard that from a lot of people.

865
01:41:35,859 --> 01:41:41,848
In the community that are equestrian and non-equestrian, that they don't understand the coloring.

866
01:41:41,848 --> 01:41:51,848
So, I just want to… I really like this. Um, I know it's got the old.

867
01:41:52,517 --> 01:42:02,517
Itid symbol on it, but maybe we can incorporate that somehow. Yeah, I designed that one, too. Yeah, see? So, there you go. Yeah, I can take the logo out, that's… I still like that old logo, by the way. It kind of looks like a cross.

868
01:42:13,878 --> 01:42:15,909
Which is very great. I'm sorry? We have one in the making of the trail crossings that are very straight. Okay, good, thank you. Yeah, through the chair. Yeah, part of the problem with.

869
01:42:15,909 --> 01:42:21,671
The color ones, you know, we wanted it to signify the turquoise for drivers.

870
01:42:21,671 --> 01:42:31,671
And also the crosswalks, but the problem is, if you've driven around, a lot of them that are facing directly east or directly west, the face of them.

871
01:42:34,930 --> 01:42:40,330
They're really fade, and we even… bought them at a, you know.

872
01:42:40,330 --> 01:42:46,330
The sap of the sun. And elements here, these two.

873
01:42:53,505 --> 01:42:56,687
Too much, that's something else. I would've… Um, yeah, so we'll have to… One thing we're going to have to budget to replenish them every few years. It's not just a one-shot deal when we get 5 to 10 years.

874
01:42:56,687 --> 01:43:04,487
Yes. And maybe, maybe we can utilize… maybe we could utilize them, though.

875
01:43:05,904 --> 01:43:08,267
Right? For something else. Like, maybe no parking in a fire zone.

876
01:43:08,267 --> 01:43:15,211
Or something like that. Um, you know, get fluorescent paint and spray over them instead of just saying, oh, we'll toss them.

877
01:43:15,211 --> 01:43:24,211
Right? We already bought them, so when the new ones are made, let's repurpose.

878
01:43:24,545 --> 01:43:26,826
Those ones that we can't use. You can still make letters and all that, right?

879
01:43:26,826 --> 01:43:36,135
So, yeah, so we could do that all in-house, it'll save a lot of money.

880
01:43:36,135 --> 01:43:38,320
You could actually wrap them. Yeah, even better. Although that does fade quick.

881
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:48,320
Um, that would be my concern. Um, the wraps do tend to fade, unless you're doing them in white.

882
01:43:48,619 --> 01:43:57,840
Um, with very minimal color. So, that's… that would be my only concern there. And will people see them?

883
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:05,308
Great. Well, very good. Thank you, everyone, for coming tonight. Go ahead. I wanted to make a statement. You know, you're talking about sharing the road, or so forth. Just remember today.

884
01:44:05,308 --> 01:44:11,336
My mailbox has been taken down two times. With somebody on their cell phone.

885
01:44:11,336 --> 01:44:16,358
So my daughter pointed this out to me, you know, being out there on a horse, or… having animals or kids close to the road?

886
01:44:16,358 --> 01:44:23,252
Watch out. Yeah, yeah. Distraction is a major problem, and it's the cause of most of our crashes.

887
01:44:23,252 --> 01:44:33,144
Right, that's why we're not calling them accidents, we're calling them crashes, because they're avoidable. So, yeah, that's a major problem, and, um, working with PPSO.

888
01:44:33,144 --> 01:44:43,144
Edward. Right, perhaps, right. Um, working with PVSO to try to do some community outreach on that.

889
01:44:45,331 --> 01:44:51,321
Um, because that is a major problem for horses. Pedestrians, other vehicles, you know, so thank you.

890
01:44:51,321 --> 01:44:58,787
All right, well, with that, um, this meeting was… Is it possible to get the… a copy of that video that the student brought in here and gave the presentation?

891
01:44:58,787 --> 01:45:01,139
Is there any kind of copyrights or anything like that? Yep.

892
01:45:01,139 --> 01:45:07,658
No. Is that you could put it on our website. Yeah, that would be great, thank you. And have it automatically running without the sound. Perfect.

893
01:45:07,658 --> 01:45:17,658
Bring to the ITIV pretube. It should be. Oh, it's on YouTube? If you can't… if you can't find it, just get with Carrie. He'll be able to.

894
01:45:20,350 --> 01:45:25,708
Yeah, he'll be able to take care of it. All right, well, this meeting was noticed, published in the Palm Beach Post on the 31st.

895
01:45:25,708 --> 01:45:32,908
And with that, we are adjourned. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, guys.