the meeting to order. If everyone will
stand for the pledge of
>> allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
>> You'll remain standing for a moment of
silence.
You may be seated.
I guess uh for upcoming events, Battle
It Out will be in between meetings. Uh
Battle It Out is August the 21st, uh
Chestnut Square Park, 6 to9. Grown-ups,
your moment has arrived. Step into the
spotlight. Revive your childhood fun and
go ahead
in a thrilling battle royale
style challenges.
earn points and claim the grand prize.
Now, since I've never been, I have no
clue what that's all about. So, uh
Hayden, you want to tell me what what
that's about or
>> Yeah. So, we'll have essentially
life-size games, right? So, think
battleship that you grew up on as a kid,
but playing it on a full size volleyball
court or Nerf battles and things like
that. So, if you're competitive and you
like to win, we'll see you out there.
>> Well, very good. All right. Well, I need
to go this year. We How many years have
we had that? A couple of years now.
>> This probably our third year.
>> Third year. Okay. And then uh we will
have a meeting before, but I want to go
ahead and and talk about it. Is Rock the
Trail on September the 12th at Crossing
Pass Park. That way give you a little
advance notice to uh mark your calendar.
If I'm not mistaken, that's a Taylor
Swift. Um so I know we have a lot of
Swifties in here tonight. So, u if if
you're a Swifty, make sure you're you're
uh at the I know I know part of my
family will be here. So, anyway, but uh
anyhow, so I look forward to that. That
ought to be a lot of fun. Is that the
only one that's being is there? It's a
long is is it that because I know it's
like four hours, isn't it?
>> Yeah, we'll have another band to start
it off that's more like nostalgic 2000s
music.
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, very good. All
right. Well, those are welcoming and
upcoming events. Let's have uh mayor and
council introductions. Uh
let's start with did did I did I forget
something or no? Okay, good. Because I
usually do. Clarence, why don't you
start us off?
» It's always weird to start when you say
Clarence. Start off introducing
yourself. But I'm Clarence also Brooks
Jr.
>> Crystal Bholic.
>> Mayor David Conn.
>> Melanie Cox, town attorney. Marcus
McIntyre,
>> Adam McLam, town manager.
>> Very good. Okay, that uh we don't have
any anybody have any u thing to add any
additions or deletions? If not, can I
get a motion to pass the agenda?
>> Motion to approve the agenda.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
Very good. We have some presentations
tonight. It's uh my pleasure tonight to
call my friend and on my friend and
neighbor uh who I see uh around the
neighborhood. I saw him yesterday or day
before yesterday I saw him in the
neighborhood is Dr. Steven Smith. Dr.
Smith was u here a few uh months ago
with was it sweet potato pie?
>> Yes,
>> it was. You've now written another book.
>> I have.
>> Doctor, come on up and tell us about it.
exciting stuff going on around town. We
got Squid Games coming up, but uh books
go. That's a good side joke, but okay.
Uh last time I was here, I wrote my book
Chef Parley and sweet potato pie is
about me and my daughter and a five
generation year old recipe.
>> Dr. Smith, if you would talk, take the
talk. Oh, okay.
>> Because there's people watching and
>> Oh, I forgot. Yeah, the microphone. Hi,
people at home.
>> There you go.
Okay. And so it went really well. It's
now on Amazon,
Thrifty Books, and even in Walmart. So
I'm going to try to get it put in
Walmart store. So progress is being
made. In between that time, I wrote my
second book, which is entitled The Box,
and it's about all the things that you
can do with a regular old cardboard box.
And so I wrote it to remind us that you
don't have to have a lot of money, just
time spent with your child and an
imagination. And it walks through my own
true story of me and my daughter playing
with things and a cardboard box kind of
creations. Has activities at the end and
a bunch of fun facts about cardboard to
encourage nonscreen fun and family
interactions. And so, uh, I've been
around some of the bookstores in Union
County, including the book lady who's
fantastic.
And if you want a copy of it,
Amazon, um, my author name is Dr. Steo,
you can visit my website, which is now
up. I did it by myself from the ground
up. It took seven months. www.dsteo.com.
It has the books for sale. It has free
downloadable color and activity pages,
music that I created where you can vote
for your favorite one, and free games.
Nothing's going to be behind a payw wall
because I want people to interact and
have fun for free. And my website will
be a good one for you to use to
introduce your child to the internet in
a space that you trust because it's
secure, lockdown, ADA compatible, and
nothing's going to cost you except for
buying the book. So
over there somewhere is a signup sheet.
So if you want to attach to my
newsletter, I'll send emails out letting
you know if anything on the website
updates. I got the best contest in the
world in my mind. So I'll remind you
when those contests start or if I'm
about around town giving away books or
at a bookstore doing signings. So, I'm
trying to be as open as humanly
possible, but this is still the
beginning. I hope to turn this into a
cartoon that might stream on like
Netflix, HBO, something like that one
day. Um, and so book two is out there
and here it is. I'll pass it around if
you want to see it. I don't want to be a
distraction to the meeting though
because this fun stuff will make you
forget why you're here. But does anybody
have any questions for me? I'm Steve
Smith, Dr. Steve Smith, formerly of the
public safety advisory committee and the
parks. If your kids play at parks or
grandkids, I love it because I was like,
I helped to build these. So, it's a
reason why I turned down a lot of jobs
around the country after I got my
doctorate degree. It's because I love
living here with my neighbors, you all,
safe law enforcement. And so, it's a
good environment. And uh I plan to put
it in my book and write about that, too.
So, any questions? But thank you for
having me either way.
Signup sheet is here. I'll pass that
around.
You put your email there and I'll keep
it in there. I'm not going to send you
spam or crazy stuff. I promise you. Um,
and I'll answer any questions that you
have. Steve Smith again. Dr.steo.com is
the website. Wish me luck.
>> Dr. Steel, I got a question for you.
How's your last How's sweet potato
doing? Sweet potato pie. Is it doing
pretty decent?
>> It's doing really well. Um, and I
haven't even started the formal
marketing because I'm still setting up
the infrastructure, but I I even have it
on sale at um a bookstore in Los
Angeles. Actually, when I was out there
interviewing for a ding position in San
Diego, I went by a store called Maiden
Compton, which is a Compton Los Angeles
store. or they were revitalizing that
area and they sell books by all those
founding rappers and entertainers and
stuff. And I was like, "Would you sell
my book, please?" And he's like, "Yes,
bring it on." And he sold, uh, 27 copies
of it so far without even trying. And he
wants like 50 more later. And so, um,
it's growing. It's growing. And I can't
wait to see how it'll grow when I
actually start marketing the thing. So,
the third book is going to be entitled
The Airport. And I'm really proud of
that one because it will feature
situations where you're dealing with
parents that travel for work and they
miss their kids and things along with
what airports look like through the eyes
of a kid. So, we can remind ourselves
there's joy and happiness to be had
everywhere. So, when you're in those
miserable or seemingly miserable
situations, put on your kid eyeballs and
you'll start to have fun again,
possibly. So, that one's coming out
soon.
>> Any more questions?
>> That's it. Thank you. I appreciate you
coming again. And when you bring your
next book,
>> make it about food again cuz uh we like
the sweet potato pie you brought last
time. And uh if if you'll bring if
you'll bring food, we we'll eat it. Uh
we enjoy it.
>> And make it something like banana
pudding or something too. You
>> put it in order to see how it's going.
Okay.
>> Very good.
>> Meatloaf is number four. me.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank y'all. Thank you all for coming.
» Okay. I don't believe we have anybody
signed up tonight for public comments.
>> We we have another item. Adam.
>> Oh, the CRP.
>> I was trying to get through the meeting
a little quicker. Marcus. Uh, no.
>> I got to keep you honest.
>> Sorry, Adam. Uh, financial model, our
CIP, Mr. Mclam and Miss Massie. Um
apologize.
» Thank you.
» I feel very close to y'all. I don't know
if we moved this up or not, but good
evening, mayor and council. Um, we have
been going back and forth about this
financial model now for probably four or
five months. We've been talking about
it, telling you what we have, what we're
able to do, uh, some different steps and
different things. So, tonight, um,
finally want to push this out to y'all
and let y'all see some of the
information that can come out of the
model and then so that y'all can ask
additional questions as we move forward
in the future.
Um, so we I've said this before,
internally we have a CIP team, a team
that meets uh once a month, talks about
all of our active CIP projects. Out of
that group, we have a smaller group
that's been working on this model. And
that's Alicia Massie, Alicia Gaddy, and
myself been trying to get this ready for
y'all to be able to give this to y'all.
So, I want to tell them thank you for
all the work they've done with and for
this tonight. Couple of things that just
walk through really quickly what we'll
do. um want to give just a very quick
review of the CIP so everybody
understands what that is we'll talk
about the financial model what it is
some of the variables and assumptions
that are built into it so that you
understand how we're getting the
outcomes and then we'll review quite a
few scenarios and then ask y'all any
questions what I handed to y'all is a
cheat sheet as you're looking and we're
talking about all these rather than all
the detail that's there that is very
simple straightforward
so So, what is a CIP? So, for us, a CIP
is a strategic plan. It tells how we're
going to get somewhere in the future,
right? It has a list of projects. It
goes far beyond that. It tries to meet
y'all's priorities for how you want to
see these projects move forward. Uh we
are talking about right now an FY27
through FY31 CIP. for the next 5 years.
The model or the what y'all have been
given so far makes up 24 projects. In
that right now, there are 11 funded
projects, five partially funded, six
unfunded, and three future projects.
All right, the financial model we worked
with first tryon advisors. They were the
ones that built the model and all the
background information that's in there.
Now we can update the model and have and
run different scenarios. So that's how
we got to this point. The model can
analyze a number of things, but these
are just a few that we can put in there.
So it'll look at all town funding
sources. We can look at different tax
rates. We can look at our debt service
capital reserve policy. We can look at
um growth assumptions, expenditure and
the growth rate and how fast things are
growing. We we can also look at
different models for funding projects
which are your PIGO, your debt or your
outside funding, whether that be grants
or through CRTPO uh with Todd and
Council Member Oscel Brooks and the work
they do there.
All right, talk really quick about some
of those variables and assumptions so
you know what you're going to see in
just a second. So those variables again
can be any number of those things. I
will not read them again. all those that
are over there on the
my left I guess it would be your left
too left hand side um the assumptions I
do want to talk about those so we have
some assumptions built into the model
always when you're do when you're
looking at any kind of budget or
forecast we're going to assume
uh lower on the growth side and higher
on the expenditures and we're going to
do that to make sure that we always have
enough to fund those things right So we put in growth rates of 3% for our
nonrevalu years. So growing at a 3% rate
on non-revaluers.
Um
we have grown more than that the last
couple of nonrevalu years, but that's
the rate that we we went with and a
five-year growth on reval years. We know
that we've been much higher than that
the last couple of revals. We don't
think it'll continue to be that high in
the future. So that's we're modeling
that at five. Also another assumption is
that if if and when we do model debt,
we're modeling take taking that first
payment for the debt the year after the
debt is issued. So if it's issued in
FY30, we would take be the first payment
would be due in FY31. So there's a year
lag and when your first debt payment is
right now we have six scenarios that
we've run through the model tonight.
Yes, you do see on that cheat sheet it
is correct. You see one, two, three, and
five. You don't see one for zero or
four. So zero is just a base, right?
That's just flat what the budget has for
this year. No projects are in it. Four.
Reason why you don't see four is an
actual like scenario that you were given
is because it is done in model two or
scenario two with the addition of one
additional project. So that's why when
you're running these models, they do
take time. So, we we chose a few to run
through uh as actual scenarios.
All right. Well, any questions that far
before we start talking about the actual
scenarios themselves? And if I can't
answer the question, I'm going to look
over my shoulder this direction to help
answer the question.
We good? Good. All right. I'll keep
going.
So, scenario one funds all of those
projects that you see up there. Those
are your existing funded projects. So
that's all of the funded projects are
funded. It does show when you model it
out in the future that the debt service
cap reserve policy would need to be
reduced to 5 cent and FY29. If you know
right now we're at 5 1.5 cent. So we're
showing that you would need to reduce
that a little bit.
So this is one of the output screens
that we get out of the model. Um, I'll
walk through on this one with a little
bit more detail and not on the other
ones. You can see it. Um, so you can see
in FY24, FY25, the tax rate was 18.5
cents. In FY26, it went down to 17 and
it's 17 from there after, right? We're
modeling it at a 17 cent tax rate. Um,
now you come over to the debt service
capital reserve fund column, which is
the next one over. You can see that in
FY28
we reduce that or sorry FY29 we reduce
that to 5 cent. Um and that's to be able
to make the model work as it goes out in other columns. You see here we're
able to set targets and minimums for
general fund. So you can see we set up
at the top a target of 50% a minimum of
that is y'all's policy is that minimum
of 30% for your fund balance. So you can
see as it goes down it starts so uh
>> nothing is highlighted here at the top.
It didn't flag any of these cells
because you are above 50%. When you drop
below 50% it starts flagging them just
to let us know. And as it goes down, you
can see the model does go below 30 right
here. We wouldn't allow that to happen
that far out. What you would do is you
would fund a project out of debt service
capital reserve rather than let the mo
we wouldn't let us dip below your 30%
minimum. Um, but it wasn't worth
rerunning the model to move a project
when you're less than a percent uh that
far out because you're talking as far as
uh FY38 at that point.
Um you can also see we can look at the
debt service capital reserve that is
what this five or five and a half cent
is pulling over here is how much money
is getting generated or what or how much
surplus you have in that given year and
then what the fund balance is. And then
you have the last fund that you're
seeing here on the screen is the one
that uh is has the money for the public
works facility and the uh community
center in it.
All right.
>> Sorry, mayor. Can I ask a question?
>> Sure.
>> Um,
sorry. Um,
can you talk about 2026 growth rate? Um,
we see 3.4125.
That's an actual rate. We're in 26 right
now. Um,
>> we're in 27 now.
>> So, well, all right. But the 37.18
that's a that's an anomaly and there's
an explanation behind it. I know.
>> So that was the revalure and that's why
it is so much higher. Um and that's why
we modeled future revaluers. They're
there in the green. We modeled them at
5%.
They probably will be higher than 5%.
They could be lower. I mean, we I've
been with the town long enough that I
know the years that we did have a
decrease when we did revals.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so again, you want to be
conservative when we're modeling those.
You don't want to take those assumptions
that it's much higher than that.
>> And then
>> so yes, that is an anomaly at 37,
>> right? And that's because of the reval,
right?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
Um, second question. You talk about the
fund balance and we're looking at 26
because we're in 27 now, but we're
talking about past. The 10.6 represents
the $4 million
for the community center that we put
aside along with the 6.8 or almost 7
million for the public works. That's
what those two numbers are, right?
>> That is correct.
>> All right. Good. That that's it.
>> And I'm asking for the benefit of myself
and the public. Very good. Thank you,
Marcus.
>> Yep.
>> So, with each scenario, we also get a
bunch of graphs that get uh put out, and
these allow us to look at some people,
myself, I'm more of a visual person than
a t tabular person, but you have both to
be able to look at this. So, you can see
this gives the exact same information,
but uh it makes it a little bit clearer
to see at times. So, if you look at um
if you go back to this one and you see
in
FY27,
if all of the projects get built out and
get, you know, expenditures happen the
way that we think that they will, the
5.5 cent that is going in will not be
quite enough to pay for all of those
projects into the debt service capital
reserve fund. So you would have to go
into the the fund balance of that fund.
Is it okay to say it that way? Okay. The
fund balance of that fund to pay the
730.
Right? So you can actually see that
graphically here. Right? You see it dip.
It doesn't mean that there's no money in
that fund. It just means we're spending
more than the five a half cent. We're
going into we're spending some of that
savings account of that fund.
>> But that would be a one-time event
though. Correct.
>> Because
>> it's one time.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the following year there's
enough money and there is again
>> and if it's a onetime event, what would
we be able to build with that?
>> I'm sorry.
>> If it's a one-time event, what would be
how what what dollar amount would we be
able to spend?
if it's a onetime event.
>> So, you're saying that if we let's say
we have $5 million in that fund and
does that mean that we would spend 5.7
million cuz
>> So, you'd still have
>> we wouldn't have anything. We would have
spent the 5.7, right?
>> So, in that fund right now there's
roughly
$10 million 9.8 eight. We're going to
spend
>> if we spend if we spend 10.2 or 10,
>> but we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't let
it go into the negative.
>> Yeah, I I got you. Go ahead. Sorry.
» Go ahead.
» Okay.
>> I apologize. I'm just asking questions
as we go. So what we would do is uh like
if what is the 5.5 equivalent to this
year?
Uh but dollar-wise is it $5 million?
Okay. So the five and a half
cent this year is right around $5
million.
>> Yeah. This year, if we all the projects
get completed that are planned to get
completed, money to be spent, we're
looking at 5.7
to be spent, but there's 9.8 available
overall. So, we would spend the 5
million. We would go into the savings
account and we would grab the 700 and we
would put it in with the other one to
pay for the onetime expense. This year,
still having
I can't do the math in my head. Uh 6 7 8
9 I know
>> almost $4 million sitting in the savings
account,
>> right? Yeah.
>> Um no
>> no because then we would add
>> No, we the 9 million the 9 million we're
only going to pull what the excess that
we need which is the 700. We'd still
have the 9 plus million.
>> You'll still have 9 million. Yeah,
>> I got you. I follow you. You're right.
I'm wrong. I follow you.
Yeah.
>> Yes,
>> I got you. Okay.
We tracking.
>> All right. So, you can see we also put
the graph up here where you can see
tracking that um minimum line. So,
council's policy is that minimum line,
that red line you see at the top. Um the
last graph, and all of them look the
same on all of these future ones,
showing our debt instruments and when
debt is dropping off. So it makes more
sense when we look at future ones
because some of the other models have us
taking potentially if council chose to
taking future debt. So that's why we're
showing you a debt instrument column so
you can see when those drop off.
>> Clarifying question what you just said
there is that as we go forward for
instance we have an installment loan for
this building. You're take the model
takes into consideration when that debt
is paid off and therefore those funds
become available for use. That is
correct. So, as we're modeling through
our existing debt service as as it's
coming off and we're modeling this off
into the future, that is giving us the
ability to know how much we're going to
have available if we so choose to do X
project or Y project.
>> That is correct.
>> Good.
>> Any questions about scenario one or
about the data you're actually seeing
because the other ones mirror this. So,
>> good. So, this is just a one year it's
just a a one-year deficit is what you
about. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next
year we're going to be back back up
which really shouldn't going to affect
much of anything.
>> It's not even a deficit. It's only just
pulling money out of your savings.
>> Well, that's true.
>> It's not a deficit. You're right.
There's Yeah.
>> Yep.
>> All right. So, scenario two
funds all of the projects you see listed
here. So that's funding projects off of
that CIP that are in the funded category
and the partially funded category
minus the community center. It does not
model funding the community center. So
it it is that scenario that um council
member McIntyre you asked about at the
last meeting. You wanted to see a
scenario that funded Indian Trail Road
and funded the public works facility. So
that's what we did here is we just
pulled the community center out um to be
able to show that model. So that's what
this is showing.
>> And what is just for the public's uh
memory, what is the estimated cost of
the public works and the road? 8 million
and 21 million respectively.
>> Uh Todd
phase two 8 million 7 million
>> Indian Trail Road phase two or about 8
million.
>> Okay. About 8 million
>> and then 21 million
>> and 21 million is public works. Now you
see here that's phase one of the public
works facility. Remember council asked
we had a master plan and council said go
back and get us a phase one. So that's
what we did and this is the phase one.
Um but we have
7 million in the bank.
>> Yeah. So, you would need an installment
financing, some kind of other way to
fund the additional 14 million. So,
that's what you'll see when we show you
this model is we modeled it as a $14
million installment debt financing. Same
thing this building was at. Um, not 14
million, but same type of debt
instrument. Uh, right now we're seeing
rates in the 5% for 20 years.
So, mayor, you mind? Mayor, I apologize
for asking so many questions. I'm sorry.
I just want to make sure I understand
that. So, you don't mind if I ask the
questions, right?
>> I do not. I don't mind. I don't mind.
>> I I appreciate that, sir. So, we have 21
million in terms of the estimated cost
of the public works as we've rendered,
but we have 7 million available.
Therefore, we need 14 for the Indian
Trail Road. We have 8 million cost
estimate, right? in today's dollars,
right? That's I think it's 8 million,
but we have about $800,000 close. Let's
just say a million dollars um that we
probably have in there as partially
funded. That means that we only need
seven. So 14 plus that seven give us we
would need to go to market or to get
debt of 21 million for those two
projects.
>> So the way the model is run, we actually
don't need to go to market for Indian
Railroad.
>> Okay.
>> We only need to go for the public works
facility.
>> We only need 14.
>> Correct.
So good story. Then
>> uh we do show with this model you'll see
reducing the debt service capital
reserve policy in FY29
to 4 1.5 cent from the 5 and a half that
it is today. The story gets better um
with this model because you can actually
take on the debt instrument of 40 $14
million with no tax increase.
So, because of council's,
you know, what you've done in the past,
having the capital uh debt service,
capital reserve policy, putting money
aside, thinking forward, you're able to
take on a debt of $14 million without
having to have a tax increase to be able
to fund that.
>> All right, important question. We have
AAA rating from both S&P and and
Moody's, right? So that means that if we
go to market, we should get a good rate.
Right now you're talking about 5%. Would
it benefit the town or and its residents
to issue a bond? Would we get a better
rate interest rate in terms of the
coupon rate we pay um on issuing a bond?
We'd have to get approval and so on.
It's a more lengthy process than going
and um going to a financial institution
and getting that debt or do we want to
stay at the 5%. Because the 5% the 5%
rate in today is still assuming a
20-year payback period, right?
>> And a bond is also a 20 year that's a
max we can go to. It's a 20-year period.
What would be and I I I'm looking at you
Alicia. What would be the your best
advice here in terms of how we fund this
through either installment or uh issue a
bond seeking bond approval.
Sorry,
those are important discussions that we
are having by the way. What is Oh,
» so I was actually pulling up an email
that we got today from another financial
advisor. Um, so bond rates are hovering
around 5% as well.
>> So I it would be half a dozen in one and
half dozen in the other.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Alicia has something another the
other
>> Alicia.
» Yeah.
>> Also, if you
the way it's modeled,
we would hope that rates would we would
get because we are AAA, right? You hope
that you get a better rate than 5%. But
again, we're going to model it on the
high end. We're going to model it at the
what we think is the worst case scenario
because we want to make sure that we're
not giving y'all information that's as
incorrect as we can we can possibly hope
for. Again, I won't go through
everything. I'll point this out very
quickly this time. Uh you can see in
FY29,
we're showing that dropping to four and
a half cent rather than the five and a
half cent. Remember that's that money
that is going over to the capital
reserve. You do see a few more years in
here that we're going to go into the
fund balance for the capital reserve to
fund some of those projects. Think you
we just said we're going to fund Indian
Trail Road through not having to go for
a debt instrument. Indian Trail Road
phase 2. That's how you're doing that,
right? You're going to go into what
you've been saving. and that's the
reason why you've been saving those
funds is to put those over to fund that
project. Um, you can see we stay well
above the target of 30%.
We don't go below like 36% in these two.
Um, I didn't point it out earlier, but
the value of a penny, you can see there
in column 13. Um, you can see it's it's
approaching a million dollars uh for for
one penny. Again,
you can see this graphically. Uh the
orange, the one that I'll point out is
the debt um looking at the debt graph at
the bottom there. That is the one that
starts to show that we are taking on
that debt instrument for the public
works facility. Uh again you can see we
on purpose we pulled that debt in
FY28
is when we modeled it for the first
payment to be in FY29.
Since this is the first one that has
debt in it I'll stop for a second and
any other questions
>> I have a simple question. When we borrow
from the fund balance, how long how much
time do we have before we have to
replace that money?
» Yeah, I was going to say none, but
>> we're we're not borrowing from it. It's
that's what we put that money aside for.
So, it's it's a um an eligible use for
us to use fund balance whenever we're
doing capital projects. That's money
that we've put aside. So, it's our
money. We're just shifting it to the
capital project so we don't have to pay
it back. It's not a borrowing.
>> Yeah. And then other question would be
seeing that we are in the process of
getting Indian Trail Road phase one out
to bid. If we so choose to
include
uh phase two both legs
because we have the equipment out there.
Maybe it's going to be one particular
and that's kind of Todd. I'm looking at
you.
>> I was going to
>> I'm kind of looking at you Todd Huninger
over through the mic there. That's where my head is focused. Um,
could we possibly kind of get some
savings there? Because you you kind of
get what I'm asking, right?
>> Cuz as we're going to do that in terms
of one, the disruption to the residents
would be once, not then and then after,
>> but also just possibly getting some, you
know, savings there because it's going
to be one continuous strip, right,
versus the two sections. Yep.
>> So, I I don't know. not something to
sort.
>> No. So Todd and I have had plenty of
conversations and this is his his train
and he should be congratulated for
driving it forward. Um
the plan has kind of been to get phase
one done, get phase or get phase one bid
out, get it started, and then hopefully
right after that phase two would go out.
This maybe the same contractor would
pick it up and there would be no gap in the two.
>> Yeah. We're going to come to y'all at
the end of this year.
» And I sent y'all today an email with an
updated timeline for phase one.
» Very good.
>> All right.
So now we'll look at scenario
three. So again, every scenario is
building on the one before it, right? So
scenario three now is all of the funded
and partially funded projects and we've
added in the community center.
Uh one thing that I did not say before
and I'll say now uh one thing that we
are able to do in the model as well as
you can see there we we are able to
model in operating expenses and actually
we can model
operating and revenue expenses. So when
you build a new facility, right, you
have new power, you have new water, you
have new all those things. We can
actually build that into the model. And
when you're looking at the community
center, you can actually model in the
potential revenue that could be
generated off of the facility as well.
Um, so in this model, because we don't
have any outside funding right now, we
don't know what that outside funding is.
I'll agree with the mayor's sentiment. I
hope we can get all 36 million outside
funded, but right now we don't have
that. We don't we aren't to that point
yet. So, we're modeling it at 36 million
as a bond debt again at 5% for 20 years.
uh we again the debt service capital
reserve policy uh would drop and you do
see there this is the first model that
we are showing you that would require a
tax increase potentially in FY31
um and that is to cover that those two
debts now that you have of the community
center and the public works facility so
you potentially the model is showing
debt of 47
7 million.
>> Why 47? Not 14 plus 36.
>> Is my math wrong? 14 50 million.
>> 50 million.
Sorry. So showing 50 million
with a 2 cent tax increase.
>> And then one question on to piggyback on
that. That means that we still build
Indian Trail Road from what we have.
We're not borrowing for that.
>> We are not.
>> 14 million
>> is for the the public works facility
with a total cost of 21.
>> Correct. So we have seven in the bank
plus 14 in trail road which is 7 million
plus the 1 million that's a total of
eight.
>> Yep.
>> And then the 36 million because it cost
40 but we have four saved up.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. I just want to I'm just repeating
those for people to kind of follow
along.
>> But
>> and the next tax reval is in 2030.
Right.
>> Is in 2030. That is correct. And then
this 50 million is the 14 million is
over 20 years through just regular
instrument. And the bond is over 20
years.
>> It's modeled the same way.
>> Model the same way. So we're in 2026.
When do you have this? When do you when
did you model it out to kind of
>> 201? So we modeled it
>> we modeled it one year past the debt
instruments dropping off on purpose so
that we could show
>> how far out that went.
>> Okay.
>> Um actually it's modeled out
20 I think 60 is what's in the model. I
think the model goes all the way to60.
We cut it at at one year past
>> um when the debt would drop off.
One thing that would be a little this is
really good information, right? In terms
of my assumption, I'll be honest, my
assumption was a 5 cents increase to
fund the um the the public the community
center. So, two cents is better than
five. The the the one thing that I'll
say when I look at some of these is we
had a list of partially we had funded,
partially funded, and those that were
unfunded.
If based on what you have here, and I'm
not asking for this now, but if you can, just send an email. Um, what
would remain unfunded
after we've done this?
>> So, you're going to see that in the next
one.
>> Oh, sorry. You see that you That's why
you're the town manager.
>> No, that's why I have great uh team
members that put this together. I just
stand I just stand up here that
question.
>> Go ahead. Uh so one thing I want to
point out modeling at
every $10 million of debt with our
evaluation at the time at 5% interest
over 20 years every $10 million equates
to about a million dollar in debt. It's
actually very easy numbers. A million
dollar equates to a penny. I mean
because we're hitting close to that is a
penny, right? So you can kind of think
of it that way. So what that means is
this model again because of how prudent
the town has been, the council has been,
and doing the things that y'all do
financially,
you're actually able to absorb a large
percentage. you're able to absorb um 14
million in debt for the community center
and or sorry for the public works
facility and
tw roughly 20 million give or take 18
million of the community center,
right? Because you're only needing to
take two cent in in a tax increase. So
you're able to absorb all that because
you only needed that that two cent. All
right, I'll go forward. Y'all can see
kind of what we see here. Um, we did set
a target on this debt service capital
reserve. You can kind of see it starts
to show up here a little bit. What that
is, that target is just a cash flow
thing. It's not a problem that these are
showing up as red. It's just we're we're
making sure that cash flow is okay in
those future years.
All right. You can see again those debt
instruments coming on board, when they
come on board, how they model themselves
through.
All right, scenario five is that last
one.
Um, what we did for scenario five is all
of your fully funded, all of your
unfunded, or sorry, fully funded,
partially funded, and unfunded
with one exception. We pulled the
community center back out to just give a
little bit of a better idea of what it's
going to show for that. We know what the
community center adds now, but we pulled
it out just so we could see what was
here. So, this is the list of all of the
projects that would be funded through
that.
Um, public works is still in there.
Again, that debt service capital reserve
policy drops down from what it is today.
And you could, we actually were able to
see two different options depending on
how council feels that they want to do
things going forward in the future. If
you run a payo model, which that means
paying cash for the projects, right?
You're not going to take on debt, uh, to
fund those unfunded projects, which is
those three listed underneath there. It
shows that you would potentially need a
5 cent tax increase to cover that.
If you run it as a transportation bond
or a street bond or you know ones that
we've done in the past, those same three
groupings of projects would show about a
penny and a half tax increase to fund
that large grouping of sidewalk projects
and those two intersection projects.
The model that you actually see here is
the one with the debt instrument, the
transportation bond. Uh because you can
see the 18.5 cent tax rate.
That was a lot of information to throw
at y'all. Um we've digested this for
several weeks now or tried to at least.
Um,
you can see the graph is the same, but
now I'll stop. I know y'all have asked
questions as we've gone along, but we're
here to answer any questions.
I I just want everybody to realize that
we're looking at scenarios and the
definition of what a scenario is because
I don't want to hear tomorrow we're
raising taxes 5 cents or 3 cents or 2
cents or or whatever because that's not what we're saying.
A lot of this is um
it's a scenario
a future possibility. It's a projection
into the future. We we
>> and it's without any money that you know
coming in and I you know for uh for a
community center and I would hope that
we'd bring in money not promising but I believe that we will you know bring in
money for a community center uh like be
nice to bring it all in and
>> Yes sir. I know we talk a lot about the
community center and we we talk a lot
about uh what we want to see in the
future and um I
stopped last um a couple weeks ago I
went to the aquatic center in in um
Monroe and that's that's a community
center um and I was really impressed. Uh
they have 16,000
uh people that that are that are
members. That's a lot. That's a lot. a
lot of people. I was very impressed with
how nice it was. If you think about it,
um we don't have a YMCA in and I don't
think we do anywhere around.
>> Not in Union County. No.
>> As a matter of fact, I talked to
somebody today that works there. They
draw from South Carolina. If you think
about it, they draw from uh 601 going
out South Carolina way. They draw uh a
lot of Indian Trail people. They draw
Monroe people. They draw Marshville
people. They they bring it all and they
charge and and these are not exact
numbers. So don't anybody say
I know they they they pay $50 a month to be a part of that. And at $50 a month
times 16,000 people is $800,000 a year
in in revenue. I'm not saying that's and
it probably took years to get that uh a
number of years to get it. So, um uh but
those are all possibilities of things
that you you think of and um um
it's a scenario, you know. So, anyway, I
just I wanted to
>> No, I think that's a good point that
again these these aren't council's not
approving to do anything tonight.
Council's not even if you approve a CIP,
you're still not approving
any kind of increase or decrease or
anything. You're just saying we like the
CIP. We feel like this is a good plan,
strategic plan to move forward.
>> You got to have a plan. That's right.
You know, CRTPO, which uh you know, our
main delegate down here is is there. And
uh you know, Charlotte Regional
Transportation Planning Organization
plans roads out to what how many years?
Uh 30 years. 30 years down the road, you
know, and you got to have a plan, you
know, and if you don't have a plan,
you're So,
>> and that's what we feel like we we're
for the first time, we're able to give
y'all a lot of information to help you
make the best decisions you can for
those plans, right? We're we're able to
give y'all a lot of data that in the
past you may have heard us say, "Yeah,
we think we can do that. Yeah, that
looks good. We think we can." Now, we
can really show what we think is
actually going to come to could come to
life. Um,
I was going to say something else and I
forget.
>> Any other questions for me? Um, tonight
I welcome any questions from y'all or
from anyone.
>> And we can always ask questions. Oh,
yeah. Later, too. So, anybody has
questions, feel free to ask.
>> If there are additional scenarios or
something different that you would like
to see run a sixth or seventh,
>> let us know. We can run those through.
Um, again, just a reminder, we are
working towards adopting some kind of
CIP as we move forward in the future.
Um, oh, I remember what I was going to
say. Later tonight, Todd's going to come
up and see if y'all want to go to CRTPO
for outside funding for future projects.
We're always going to be looking for
those options for things that are there.
So,
>> very good.
>> Thank you all again. I appreciate
everybody's help.
>> Very good job. Thank you for all your
hard work.
All right. Now, it bring
>> Thank you.
>> brings us uh
up to public comments. And tonight, we
don't have any. So, we're going to move
over to law enforcement. And tonight,
we're very fortunate to have Lieutenant
Norris with us tonight.
Lieutenant, come on up.
>> Good evening.
See, I'm not Captain Mullis.
Couple couple feet lower to the ground.
Um, I'm Lieutenant Coin Norris,
Sheriff's Office. Um, we've had a very, busy month this past July. I'll
just go over a couple of things,
highlights, a couple things we touched
on. Um, first off, thank you, uh,
Crystal for the heading off the adoptive
cop. Y'all hooked us up. Everybody felt super special. It's a great great
deal. Great deal for the office there.
Um, the uh, ABC investigation has been
rocking right along. They did nine
investigations this last month. It's
totaled almost six and a half hours
worth of worth of work on the uh keeping
that in check. Everything looks good.
Any trails?
>> I saw one was when one was in like
wasn't settled
>> the very first one. Maybe you can tell
me about it later.
>> Yeah, they as far as far as the
investigation. I think they I think they
had two that were verbally warned. It's
not a big deal. Everything's under
control. Um, as far as the town's
concerned, everything stays on track.
>> What they were, you can tell me later
what maybe the first one was.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um,
as far as traffic enforcement, over a
thousand citations or that's including
verbal warnings, but thousand
enforcement actions taken this last
month. Um, very busy on traffic. We
always stay busy on traffic Indian
trail. 74 is a mad house, so that
doesn't slow down for us.
um answered over 5,277
calls last month. So, averaged out about
170 calls answered per day or responded
to. So, very very busy. Um all our
violent crimes, breaking interms,
aggravated assaults is all remaining
very low, well under well under 2% on
most of them. So, percent wide. So, very
good on the stats. So, y'all have any uh
specific questions? guys. I know the
guys gals work real hard to
>> keep everything safe. So,
>> I was going to say something about adopt
a cop at the end, but since you brought
it up, I want to do just a quick shout
out to Betty Prudin and to Katie Das and
Bontra, the Bontara Seniors Club because
they really took hold of this. I had
some health issues last month and they
made it possible for y'all as well. But
our community, there's so many people
even sitting in this room that adopted,
you know, an officer. They have no idea
what they're getting themselves into.
Yeah.
>> Um, but I also wanted to thank Captain
Mullis and Lieutenant Evans who
especially made trips there to pick up
different baskets to make sure everyone
was taken care of. So, thank y'all all
for everything you do. Truly, we do
appreciate you and the community loves
y'all.
>> No problem at all. We appreciate the
support. Thank you.
>> Very good. Well,
>> y'all have a good evening.
>> You too. Thank you. And and Crystal, I
thank you too because u um you know I'm
enjoy being part of it and it's a good feeling. It's a good feeling
to to help you guys out or the best we
can because of all the things you do.
Put your life on the line for us every
day. So, uh
enjoy enjoy what enjoy those goodies.
>> All right. Uh brings us to the consent
agenda. Can I get a motion?
» Motion to approve the consent agenda.
>> All in favor?
Unanimous.
All right. brings us up to the first our
first public hearing. Uh by addressing
council, you acknowledge you've read the
town's public comment rules and will
abide by them. Reszoning petition CZ
202676
6500 Monroe Road. Miss D. There you go.
>> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and
Council. Our first public hearing of
four tonight is for 6500 Old Monroe
Road. This is a conditional resoning.
We're looking at a reasonzoning for 1.73
acres from SF1 to CZGBD.
Um the intent is to develop a bank with
uh drive-thru windows and um within this
overlay district, this is within the
subreional overlay. It does require uh
conditional zoning for drive-throughs
and your applicants are on the screen
there before you with NWF acquisitions
and region law.
I'm going to share with you this concept
plan, but just please promise me that
you understand this is actually more of
a land use CZ. So, we are we are doing a
CZ to allow the drive-thru for the bank.
Um, but the applicant was willing to
share kind of where they are with their
concept plan and and so um thought we
would just share this with you, but know
that it's not tied to your approval
tonight.
And here is the uh photo of the property
currently zoned SF1
and it's uh been an abandoned structure
for some time now.
Take a look at the surrounding
commercial. Um so this is adjacent to
the ABC store
here fuel centers and then there are two
commercial projects. um one here and
then Sun Valley Station. If you may may
remember, they've picked back up and
submitted for site plan review as well.
Um and then of course you have your
Brandon Oaks residents in the rear.
Here's some uh photos of the site. This
is looking southeast from Old Monroe
Road.
You see this is looking northeast with
Sun Valley Commons to your left.
There's another one a little bit further
down. And then this is looking directly
into the property. You can see the ABC
store and our beautiful zoning sign.
So existing conditions out there. Uh you
do have a mix um with that SF 4 behind
Brandon Oaks and then further down past
the ABC store and Sun Valley station
plans. uh it goes back into SF1 with
kind of undeveloped property. Um but
surrounding this specific parcel is all
GBD
future land use of course because it's
in the subregional activity center
overlay it does uh call this area out to
be mixed use um shopping in an
entertainment district. And so this
furthers that
this request is consistent with the
comprehensive plan in the areas of
economic development goal number one,
land use and housing goal number one,
and land use and housing goal number
four.
Community meetings were held on June
29th. We did have three residents
attend. Um the main question was really
residential impacts and town mitigation.
There were no actual um comments in
opposition. I think the Brandon Oaks
community kind of blasted out a notice
to all residents. So, we did have some
residents that once they realized how
far it was from their house and that it
fronted Old Monroe Road, they they
didn't really have too many questions
for us. Um planning board um at their
July 21st, 2026 meeting did u vote for
approval for this request.
And here are your recommended conditions
for this. The first one you can kind of
skip over. That's just a a standard.
Hey, they still have to um adhere to all
the other regulations, including um NC
DO's regulations. The second one um is
where we're going to add that use for
banqu with drive-through facilities. But
also note that um you know, this is
going to have to go through construction
drawings and site plans and things could
change. And so we're leaving those
permitted uses by right there as well so
that they'll still have those options
rather than just locking them into only
a bank. Um and then we've got some rear
landscape buffers, a budding residential
with the most significant being that we
want them to connect to that wall um
that provides that buffer to the Spanish
moss residents.
and I'll be glad to answer any questions
you may have following public public
comment and the requested action is
before you. Thank you.
>> Okay. So, he wants to ask questions
after public com after
>> I'll take your questions anytime.
>> Okay. Well, I you I have some. So, all
right. And I'm anxious to uh you know, I
saw the brick wall there. Does that
they're going to cut a hole in that
wall, right? They gonna have to, right,
to to
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. um that that portion that
is um perpendicular to Old Monroe will
come down, but you'll have a wall um
that runs parallel with those those
residences on
>> see that start yesterday. So, we need we
need that wall cut down and we need that
road back there. And my question to you,
>> you want some access,
>> huh? Yeah, a little access there. Um,
do you, and this might be a silly
question, but
when do you think they'll put the road
in? When, first of all, is when do you
think they'll start? Is, is this just
something that if it gets approved, it's
going to start pretty quickly?
>> Well, you've got the parcel adjacent to
it that has site plan approval as of
October of 2025. So, likely they'll be
the first ones um to extend the road.
And then this property would would come
next and and bring it all the way to the
property that you're interested in
connecting.
>> How long do you I'm just cur because I
get asked that question all the time,
especially by the ABC store. What What
are we talking a year maybe? Or is that
was that optimistic?
>> Well, there's
that's really outside of our control
because there's other governmental
agencies that aren't quite as efficient.
Um so it it takes time. Development
takes a long time. Um, but I would say,
you know, gosh, the one property got
site plan approval in 2025. Like, it
wouldn't surprise me if they weren't
asking for a pre-construction meeting
any time now and start, you know, start
building and constructing. Um, this
property, I would say at least a year to
get through all of the site plan
approvals and such.
>> Now, here's here's the million-dollar
question. Can we go ahead and build a
road now? Can how soon can we build that
road? um back there.
>> Todd says if you give him the money,
he'll build it today.
>> Is that true, Todd?
» No. So, the road's going to be funded by
private development. So, we have to wait
for the private development.
>> I just wondered if maybe private
development would want a little, you
know, the AB the ABC store might
contribute help contribute to that if it
would speed it up. And does that make any sense? We can have
those conversations, but I think it's
hard for them to start investing real
dollars until they have their permits in
hand.
>> I got you. I got you. Well, that makes
sense. And pardon me for being a little
optimistic and no
>> excited about that, but okay. Thank you.
You're welcome. Quick question.
>> I have another question. Sure. Real
quick. Um, I wasn't on council when the
uh Sun Valley Station came through, so I
know we're talking about the bank now,
but what's going in the Sun Valley
Station? Is the bowling alley? And
>> so they've submitted for site plan
approval for like a retail strip. Um
don't know exactly what those tenants
are. The previous tenants was like an
entertainment um center that included
bowling uh a gym and a a pet store. Um
and then COVID hit and of course those
industries especially the entertainment
crashed. Um so it's coming back around
now but the specific tenants aren't solidified at this time.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
>> Okay. Well, at this time, uh, I would
like to, um, open in someone make a
motion to open and close public, uh,
comments.
>> Are you looking to me? I'll make a
motion to open public comments. Sorry.
Anybody sign up to speak?
>> No. Open and close.
>> I'll make a motion to open and close
public comments for
uh, CZ2026-0076500
Old Monroe Road.
>> Right. Okay. All in favor?
>> Can I ask a question? unanimous
» I wanted to ask some questions.
>> Well, you you first of all, you would
have needed to sign up, but you didn't.
But that's okay. I um I'll give you
permission uh to come up and Did you
want to speak in public comments?
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait one second. If we
open it and you I'll just close it. We
can't really
>> Well, we did. We did we didn't do we
actually didn't vote on it correctly or
I mean we just did okay we voted on on
>> I just want to follow proper procedure
>> I would just you need to make a motion
just to open public
>> yeah let let me let me do that that way
>> okay let's back up okay did you want to
come up and speak
» do do you want to come up and speak
>> all right before you do before you do
let me just make the motion All right
I'll make a motion to open Public
comments for
CZ 2026-0076
6500 Old Monroe Road. May I explain to
him the procedure, the time, and so on
and so forth.
>> All right. Go ahead. Can I Okay. All in
favor? Unanimous. Now come up. You can
speak
>> if you just say your name and your
address.
>> And you have three minutes to speak.
Okay. There's a little buzzer that'll go
off.
>> Okay. Um,
so, um, I live at 1010 Spanish Moss
Road. Uh, my name is Chase Anderson.
This is my first home and first time
attending these, so uh, forgive me for
any misunderstanding, but um, I wanted
to know that if there's going to be a
wall built behind between my house and
the bank,
>> do you know how close that wall will be
to my house?
Um, we could we can take a look at it
and do some measurements for you. Um, I
do have my card here for you like to
meet to discuss specifically.
>> Um, let's look at
your
>> Randy. Sorry. The some of the res some
of the people said that they couldn't
hear. Yeah.
>> I'm assuming you're somewhere in here.
>> Yeah.
So, they will be um it'll be on
the wall will be constructed on this
property. So, there will be some
distance obviously with your backyard,
but we can sit down with you and and
show you the plans and and kind of give
you some measurements oneonone if you'd
like.
>> Okay.
Um, yeah. My other concern is just like
how high the wall is to have privacy in
case the drive-thru like the customers
are kind of looking into my backyard.
And um,
another concern I had is the my backyard
kind of slopes down low and if there's
heavy rainfall and there's a wall, I
don't know if that would cause some kind
of flooding. So that was why I was
wondering like how close the um wall
will be to my house.
>> Gotcha. So if you'll take a look at the
site plan, you can kind of see that
there's some some distance here between
the bank operations and your property.
There's going to be like a natural
buffer area, but then you'll have the
wall. Um the wall will match and be the
same height, same materials and
everything of the existing wall with the
hair fuels center. Um and then as far as
storm water, so they will be required to
submit calculations to show um that they
will not be diverting any water onto any
other property. Um and that's through um
you know engineered plans showing with
exact calculations how they're going to
account for the water.
>> Okay.
>> Yep.
>> Uh thanks. That was that was all that I
had. So I appreciate me.
>> Don't worry about it. You didn't know
the procedure. That's what we're here
for. We're here to answer your questions
and uh hopefully you got got them
answered and then you got Brandy knows
he's a good one to talk to. So,
>> okay,
>> Clarence Clarence has something. So,
>> I'm going to add something real quick to
Mr. Chase. Um Mr. Anderson, they went
into this in more detail in the planning
board meeting. So, I you know recommend
you go back and look at the planning
board meeting. It talks about that the
concerns of lights coming into the homes
and the walls the size and you actually
have a planning board member here
Richard Ser. So um I would encourage
that and I'd like to if we don't have
any other uh speakers I'll go ahead and
make a motion to close public hearing.
>> Okay. All in favor?
Unanimous. Very good.
Okay.
We have no more council deliberation.
>> I have a question for Brandy, sir.
>> Okay. Brandy. Uh, Miss Brandy, you
mentioned that it's a bank going there.
Which bank?
>> Uh, the applicant is here tonight, and
if he would like to divulge that, I will
let him do so.
>> Oh, my my my approval or not hinges on
the name of the bank.
» For they're pointing to each other. I
think they're trying to flip a coin.
>> For full and fair disclosure, I work for
a bank.
>> Which bank?
Exactly. That's why I'm asking you.
>> No. Okay. Sorry. I'm not getting any
answers from the back.
>> You need to because the thing is I need
to know if I if I should abstain or not.
>> We can talk later.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, okay. Now I know why you were
asking the question. So, um Okay. So,
can now can I get a motion?
» Yes, you can.
All right. I'd like to make a motion to
approve ordinance 43, number 431,
pertaining to petition CZ 2026-0076
as presented.
>> All in favor?
>> Unanimous. Marcus, you can raise your
hand all the way up. Halfway up
anything. Go ahead.
like to make a motion to adopt the
statement of consistency findings for
CZ2026-000076
as read into the record by staff.
>> All in favor? Unanimous and unanimous
both ways. So, thank you, Brandy.
>> Welcome.
>> You go on. Go. You want to do the next
one for me?
>> Yes, absolutely. Our second one for the
night is um zoning text amendment
20260084.
This is Indian Trail Fairview Road
corridor signage and we're looking at um
amending the code
and specifically we're looking to
establish standards for signage for
multi-tenant properties along Indian
Fair View Road based upon the size of
the property. Um and we've got two
applicants who have requested this
Premier Eye Care and the Church at
Indian Trail.
So, two signage requests actually came
in the same week for
essentially almost the same exact
height. Um, it exceeded well exceeded
the height requirements. And so when we
started researching um we found out that
the light industrial park um that is
going to be coming across from the
Church of Indian Trail already included
that in their CZ. So, you've got one 15
foot tall sign, you've got someone
requesting a 14 foot tall sign, and
you've got someone requesting a 15 foot
tall sign. And then you think about what
else is going on in that corridor. We
can see 74 junction asking, maybe even
our own public works facility. There's
other light industrial folks that we're
working with further down, Stinson
hardest. Um, so we really started to
realize that, okay, maybe this corridor
is changing a lot faster than we
realized. And um so we are putting forth
that amendment tonight. Here's some of
just the example of businesses. Um it
was before my time so I don't know how
it happened but Extreme Ice actually
already has you know a pretty fairly
tall sign. Um and then Indian Trail
Corporate Park um is now Oak
Trail Crossing. They've changed their
name. Um that's the light industrial
that that got the 15 foot tall sign. So
we we really are changing the face of
this corridor to no longer being
residential at all.
Um but the the amendment will establish
standards um based upon the size of the
property. It will improve visibility and
wayfinding for businesses and um
establish consistent signage standards.
And so here's the revisions that we are
looking at. Um there's strike through
and underline in red. That's what's
going away. And then the blue underline
is the new um so we already have a
specialized section for Highway 74 and
um and Old Monroe Road and we decided
that was the best place to add this in.
Um so we're just adding in Indian Trail
Fair View to that section and then we're
adding it into the chart. So, what we've
done is we've um we've increased the
square footage and the height of the
sign based on how the size of the
property and this complies with the
requests that we've had from both
applicants.
Your consistency findings for this
request is that um it is reasonable and
in the public interest as it promotes
the goals of the comprehensive plan and
economic development goal number two and
quality of life goal number one.
and I'll be glad to answer any questions
you may have. Thank you,
>> Marcus.
>> Um, you mentioned that um there was
there were three possible I care at
Indian Trail and the the land being
cleared there by whatever industrial
park
>> um they included it in theirs. What is
what are what what is the what what's
going to be the height of this each of
these sites? Would it all be 15?
>> 15. Yes.
>> 15. So the 14 would basically have to
come out to 15.
>> Yeah. Uh no. Well, they could they could
do less. It's just a max.
>> No more than 15,
>> right? And you'll see if you'll see on
the chart like the tallest even, you
know, even if you've got more than seven
acres, the tallest is 15.
>> Okay. All right.
>> You good?
>> I'm good. Thank you.
>> Okay. All right. So, we have no one
speaking for um public hearing. Can I
get somebody to make a motion to open
and close public hearing? Motion to open
and close public hearing.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
Okay, that uh brings us to Can I get a
motion? Uh a motion to uh
>> Yes.
>> approve or go ahead.
>> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance
number 432 pertaining to petition ZT
2026-0084
as presented.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
And I would like to make the motion to
adopt the statement of consistency
findings for ZT2026-000084
as read into the record by staff.
>> All in favor?
>> Unanimous.
Okay, Brandy, you're up again.
>> All right, moving right along. Our third
is another zoning text amendment
20260085.
This one is to remove the school impact
study.
So, we're looking at removing the
requirement for a residential applicant
to provide a school impact study. Um,
that might sound crazy, but just hang in
there with me. Um, we really do feel
like that the changes will better serve
the residents and the applicants
overall. Um, and this is something that
the planning department's putting forth
as we've seen it be an issue. So, um,
currently in the code now, if you are
proposing 50 or more lots of residential
development, you're required to pro
provide a student impact study. Um, and
it was supposed to help provide a a
student yield, like projecting how many
students this development would bring.
Um, we have recently found that there is
no one any longer doing these
projections. these projections were kind
of all over the place. Um they weren't really consistent. They were
greatly contested. Um and so it just
ended up not being very informative. Um
we pulled the list serve for all the
planners in the state and did not get
one single person who um has it the way
we have it that requires a student
impact study. Um which made sense why we
can't find anybody to do one. So, um,
most communities
require the reporting coming straight
from the public school system. And so,
they have folks um that really know what
they're doing over there and they model
this for the school system's own um
needs as well and then they can just
provide us with it as we have resonings.
And so this has been something that
we've been receiving from the county in
addition to the the school impact study.
Um but they they do provide the relevant
um input to us that talks about um the
actuals in the attendance areas, the
school's rated capacity, um the total
existing residential units contributing
to the attendance area, and then they
add any other comments that they feel
may be appropriate for for the request.
So, what we're looking at doing is um
under the section where it says
application procedures, we're not going
to require the school impact study as a
um as a requirement for the applicant,
but instead we're going to be looking
under a new section in staff reviews
where that burden will be placed on
staff when they receive a reasonzoning
to reach out to the county to get this
information so that then the community
planning board and town council can take
that into consideration rather than
taking projections, you know, that that
are kind of all over the place depending
on who does the study.
And again, this is where the new section
will come in um under the subdivision
regulations and the previous one will go
away.
So our consistency findings for this
issue is this is a reasonable request
and in the public interest because it
promotes the goals of the comprehensive
plan in the areas of community
engagement goal number one and economic
development goal number two.
And I'll be glad to answer any questions
you may have. Thank you.
>> Clarence, I'll make it quick since we're
talking about um impact studies. We have
a lot of citizens here. Now would be a
good time. um you always hear why don't
we make um developers pay for
improvements to our school with impact
fees. So why is that something that we
don't do?
>> Right? So if you look at your tax bill
um it breaks it down. You can see that
the tax structure um there is designated
funds that go to the school system. The
model is set up that as you have growth
ideally it should pay for the you know
the needs of folks coming in. Um, and so
as a town when it comes to reszonings,
um, you know, things that are not
legally under our control, we have to be
careful about making decisions based on
that. And schools is one of those,
right? Because we don't, um, we don't
have schools. We don't have a school
system that we operate.
>> And impact fees are illegal in North
Carolina.
>> Correct. Correct. You do have system
development fees with water and sewer,
which could kind of be considered the
same thing, but actual impact fees are
illegal. Um, let me just ask a follow-up
question to that. I know you're going to
ask, but I'm going to ask for your
opinion here. Um, seeing that we're
going to sort of ask the county for that
information. This schools,
um, water and sewer do not fall under
our purview, right? So why why would we
include that as a means of sort of maybe
that could influence our decision one
way or another when we're making this
when we are deciding things like I I
just think legally doesn't that expose
us it becomes a slippery slope. I'm very
cons I'm I'm curious about your answer
but that that's sort of where I look at
it because we do not control anything
dealing with the schools. um we do not
control anything water and sewer and
we're removing it because it's not
consistent as to what other
municipalities or other plan um towns
are doing. But how do we how do we
really is should that something be part
of should we even consider that? Should
it be included?
>> I mean I think it's okay to consider it
whether you consider or not residents
are going to come forward and complain
right the schools are too crowded. Um,
with legislative reasoning, you have a
lot of um, discretion. So, as long as
you're not denying it for an illegal
reason, pretty much the courts are going
to end up on our side.
>> Yeah. Um, but if the focus of the
conversation is only about schools and
not about roads and traffic and property
values and all the other reasons why,
you know, people complain about new
developments. I mean, potentially it
could be a problem.
>> Yes. I I I would never want that to be
the focus of the conversation or the
reason for your denial,
>> but it's part of the decision tree now
because it's included in there, even if
it's not implicit or exor.
>> I mean, I would be fine if if it was
completely out.
>> Yeah, I I think we would as well. Now,
politically, it might be a little harder
that it's not touched on in some way. I
I'm just thinking of it from a decision
tree standpoint, but anyway, I just ask.
>> I did want to touch on um Clarence's
question. Years ago, the county actually
um hired attorneys from I don't know if
it was Kentucky or somewhere who had
been very successful around the country
in litigating the impact fees. And that
case went, you know, all through the
court of appeals. And the courts in
North Carolina have been very, very
clear that it is illegal. you cannot do
anything that could be defined as some
sort of impact fee. And the same thing
with with um reasonzoning, you know, if
we allow it and say, "Oh, but if you, know, pay this much for the
schools," then that's going to be
overturned. If if there's going to looks
like there's something we're trying to
do to buffer the impact with the schools
that they could interpret as a fee, then
that's going to be stricken.
>> Yeah.
Is is there a desire to strike it all
together?
>> That would be my recommendation, but the
attorney will advise us on that.
>> I mean, I think that's the safest route.
>> Yeah, I'd like to I I don't I would
prefer we do not include it because
>> and don't get the information from the
county at all.
>> Things if you give it then it becomes
part of the decision tree. It's it's
really to protect the planning board and
the council where that's not part of the
decision. Now, somebody in their own
mind can make up you can decide however
they want. But if I list it, then it's
like I have the ingredients and I'm
going to make this, right? I'm going to
make brown bread, but I'm only using
white flour. I'm not making brown bread.
I'm making white white bread, right? But
if I include the brown flour, then I am
making that. You get what I'm saying?
It's like I think it's it would be
better to leave out because it it
doesn't factor into into decision and it
shouldn't and therefore it limits us. it
legally it it protects the town, the
residents and the planning board and
everybody else.
I mean
that would be I speak for myself one of
many
>> but that would be
>> I think as long as you understand like
the school board may frown on that
somewhat, right? Like we're not even we
don't even care. We're just
>> but we but it but it's not part of our
decision and it it shouldn't be and it
cannot be,
>> right?
I mean
» a question if if how how do we do it? I
know how we do it now but what what is
the actual process of of when you do it?
What what what how what is the school
impact? Does that make sense? What what
are we doing to
>> get that information?
>> Yeah. So the last one we did was over
five years ago and there was one
consultant at the time that did the
work. Um but basically the developer
pays this third party consultant to do a
report to basically do some projections
to say how many kids are going to do you
know are going to be going into um Sun
Valley High in Trail Elementary you know
all the whatever whatever cluster it
might be um they're projecting what what
that development will bring um and you
know if you think about it you yeah
there's some difference in apartments
and town homes and single family, but it
it's really kind of a guessing game,
honestly. Um, but that report would be
included in in the planning board agenda
packets and town council packets. Um,
and and discussed as part of
>> Do you find that because it was done by
the developer that it it probably leaned
towards
positive things to say to you would
think so, would you? Or would you not?
the professional.
>> I I I think you are asking an obvious
question. Yes, I think it would.
>> The professional we worked with um since
I've been in Indian Trail, she actually
had some pretty uh pretty contentious
conversations with developers because
she was not willing to do that. But I
certainly think that there probably were
some consultants that would lean very
conservative.
>> This a tough uh thing.
I'm almost thinking what'd you bring it
up for? I'm I'm kidding. Um but um yeah,
any other questions? What What are your
thoughts, Clarence and Crystal, in terms
of I mean, we're going to we're going to
remove that requirement. What about
having that included? What are your
thoughts?
I mean, I agree that if we don't have
it, there's, you know, nobody can see
that it makes sense because we can't
judge it. But then I don't know how the
school board would look upon it. I guess
they see that us asking for that
information. Looks like we can do
something with it, but I'm sure they
know we can't. So,
>> exactly.
>> I mean, I'm fine with removing it
because really and truly it does
eliminate any question of if we
considered that
Clarence,
>> thank you for asking. Um, I I see I see
your point. Um, I think it's a good
point that it can have a uh negative it
could have a negative impact. Also, the
fact that um
we even have to have this discussion. We
haven't really had any developers come
to us and ask for any projects or
housing projects and it's hard to find
somebody anyways which slows down that
process. But I really um I don't think
it will be a
negative move for us as far as the
school board is concerned.
>> I don't think so. Um then sorry I
appreciate you you guys may I'm just
asking a couple questions. Melanie, if
we were to move on with this um here, um
how would you how would you recommend we
approach it? I'd like to make a motion,
right? And what I'd like to do is to
kind of give the planning board the no,
sorry, the planning director and her
staff sort of the instructions. How do
we do that?
>> If it's changed, it would have to go
back to planning board, right? We can't
vote on it removing it alto together
because that's not what planning board
considered and recommended. So we'd have
to go through the process already. Would
it be beneficial to approve it as is so
at least we have something so in the
event a developer comes forward, we
don't have to tell them, hey, you have
to do the school study and there's no
one that can do it. Um
>> yes,
>> I I got you. I I follow. But I do think
um I was looking through my emails to
look for it, but um leaning
on the I don't want to say it's illegal,
but the court could find it's arbitrary
and capriccious for us to turn down a
development because of the school study.
That was the language I was looking for.
>> All right. So, mayor, I've answered I've
questions have been answered. If you
want, I can make a motion or if you have
anything else.
>> No, I I do. It's a very difficult um I
kind of put my two cents in. It's it's a
difficult decision to make.
>> Uh because it's also a political
decision.
>> Yeah.
>> It's a um
look, you don't want to look at it
politically because I don't believe it
is a political, but other people may
turn it into a political uh uh situation
that you don't care. Uh that that and
that doesn't I don't I really don't see
it that way. I don't I don't see it that
we don't care. I I see it that we're
doing the right thing to do if because
of what you want to do, but uh it would
have been easy for me just not to say
anything, be honest with you, and let
you guys do it. So, go go ahead and I I
kind of would like to see it. Um
>> I want you to protect yourselves, too.
So, I don't want you So, it's it's up to
you guys. So it we're politicians and
sometimes some things may be political.
But that being said, sir, um Miss D, you and your staff would look into sort
of the advancement of that in terms of
removing it at some point.
>> Yes, I I do agree um with Miss Cox, it
would be great because this did just
come up. So we didn't we're not just
combing the code and trying to create
funds things for y'all. So if we had if
we got the school impact study removed
then our next planning board meeting we
can propose an amendment to to wosing.
>> You go along that way and then I'll make
a motion to open and close.
>> Oh, sorry.
>> Anybody signed up?
>> No. Can I No, you can.
>> I I'll make a motion to open and close
public comments.
>> All in favor?
>> Yeah.
>> Unanimous.
>> Sorry, mayor. I was jumping ahead there.
Um, and I'll make a motion to approve
ordinance number 433
pertaining to petition ZT2026-
080085
as presented.
>> All in favor?
>> Unanimous.
>> I'll make a second motion to adopt the
statement of consistency findings for
ZT2026-0085
as read into the record by staff.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
Okay.
All right, last one for the night is CZ
202260086
Hanfield Vet Clinic. This is a
conditional resoning modification from
the original CZ 2014003M.
Um that M says that we've already
modified it. Um we don't do two M's, so
we're going with a new case number. Um
so we are looking to add a land use uh
for a veterinarian clinic and office. um
without outdoor animal areas. Um and
this is in the Hanfield Village Shopping
Center. No new structures are planned.
This is within an existing structure. Um
and the original Hanfield Village uh CZ
did not allow it. It excluded uh
veterinarian services as um a prohibited
use.
So just a little bit about the
conditional zoning. This is obviously
the public shopping center. It was
approved in 2015
and amended in 2024 to allow
drive-through facilities and a cigar
shop on Wesley Chapel Stouts Road. You
may remember that. Um, and this
petition, just like the previous
modification, doesn't change any of the
original approvals. We're just changing
the specific use for vet. Everything
else remains in place. Um and again
property conditions uh currently it's
within that Sun Valley Activity Center
overlay that we talked about on um the
first public hearing for tonight. It's
zone CZGBD which is general business
district. And then obviously you've got
um the Publix and all of the the
tenants, the restaurants and personal
services in that shopping center.
surrounding conditions. It's adjacent to
other shopping as well as the um Sun
Valley High School and then there are
some nearby residential subdivisions.
This is the building. So, previously
where um the joint chiropractic was and
located behind the um copper t uh tap
and table club Pilates Geico
and then your existing zoning
conditions. So, you can see that Sun
Valley Commons is GBD. You've got the
Hanfield Village that's GBD and then you
do have some um SF1 surrounding it as
well.
future land use. Again, um it is in the
subregional activity center overlay. It
does um plan for this area to be an
entertainment district and mixed use is
what we are looking for. So, it complies
with that and it complies with the
comprehensive plan in the areas of
economic development goal number one,
land use and housing goal number one,
and land use and housing goal number
four.
And why wouldn't they allow vet clinics
um by right? So, we did look at a couple
of the impacts um and really talked a
lot in planning board about the outdoor
areas um and really honed in with the
tenant that it would be primarily vet
clinic. They're not going to be having
boarding where, you know, the dogs are
going to um have to go in and out. Um
and so the outdoor area would not be
necessary. And we also have an example
in the Sun Valley area already with PEP
bar if y'all are familiar with that. Um
we were a little concerned when that
came in by Wright. Um but that has not
been an issue with there needing to be
any um outdoor facilities for the
animals. They're they're they're in and
out um quickly.
So, our recommended conditions um is
just this blue at the bottom and that it
allows the veterinarian clinics and
offices without outdoor animal areas may
be permitted. Um and any indoor animal
boarding must only be associated with
medical care.
The requested action is before you and
I'll be glad to answer any questions you
may have. Thank you.
>> Okay. And again, we have no one signed
up for public hearing. So, can I get an
open and close on public hearing?
>> Motion to open and close public hearing.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
>> Can I get a motion?
All right. Motion to approve ordinance
number 434 pertaining to position
petition CZ2026-0086
as presented.
>> All in favor?
>> Unanimous. Motion to adopt the statement
of consistency findings for
CZ2026-000086
as read into the record by staff.
>> All in favor unanimous.
» Okay, Randy. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Brings us to old B business uh project
update. Uh Chestnut Square Park phase 2B
field and community center. Mr.
Huninger.
» Uh, thank you, Mayor Council.
So, tonight we're going to talk u give
you a little bit of the history less,
you know, where we're, you know, how we
came to be at this point. Uh, concept
site plan and then the design contract.
So, um, we back in January of last year,
um, basic council decided to delay this
project due to the fact, uh, staff came
back to y'all to suggest this might be a
good piece of property to for a future
community center. And so then we came
back to you the following month in
February 2025 uh, to approve
analysis uh, contract to see if this
would be doable.
Uh and then basically um Adam came back
to y'all uh just recently to get council
approval on concept 2B.
So just right now the you know what we
got out there is what we built was Chest
Square Park phase 2A.
So, just to go back to our CIP ordinance
and give you a rundown of where where
we're at is basically we expended those
funds. This is what we expended to build
that phase 2A section. Uh so, we used
those four funding sources, Cal
Preserve, part Bond, storm water, skip
grant. Uh and I'm not going to go
through the amounts, but basically that
equaled about 3.19
basically $3.2 million.
Um
and so what we have remaining in that
$7.5 million CIP
uh is uh basically 4.3 uh and you have
those fund four funding sources general
fund capital reserve part bond and then
a little bit of storm water which we
probably won't use. Um, but just to be
transparent, that's that's exactly what
the amounts were.
So, uh, when we came to y'all with a
chestnut phase 2, this was what was
going to be the total, uh, site layout
and what was going to be built in the
future. Obviously, we're not building
that now. U, so that parking lot area is
changing. Uh, the fields being
repositioned. Um, and so, uh, just to
give you a sense of what y'all approved
way back then, that was what that was
what was technically approved. Now, we
doesn't we don't have to build that
weird parking lot area with the circle,
um, and so forth and so on. So, I think
it's been a good decision. So, this is
what you approved in June, uh, concept
2B.
All right. So, again, we've shifted the
field down. Um the way this the this con
this uh submittal agreement that you're
going to uh ask to be approved tonight
basically we'll replplat this property.
So this property line you see down here
at the b bottom going across the field
will no longer be there that this
property will be one property not two
separate properties. Uh so we're going
to clean up that u and then again you
get more parking. Um
and uh we we'll uh still do the part do
the uh bathroom facility at the existing
parking lot that was built in phase 2 A
um and then um finish out the boardwalk.
So what you approved in that original
contract analysis was $59,700.
We're pretty much have expended all that
money. And so the supplemental agreement
is broken down into two main sources.
And I'll give you a breakdown of that in
a minute. Um, so you basically have the
Chesnut Square part two phase 2B design,
which is around $274,000.
And then you'll have the community
center um design renderings. Uh, again,
giving you a sense of what that's could
be in the future, give you options of
what you could choose,
um, the facade and everything. Um, that
will be part of that. Uh, and you
basically that 177,000 you see there is
going to give you almost uh a 50% design
of that building. I mean, you're going
to get a good sense of what that
building is going to look like from in
from inside and out. U
so just just so we're clear about that.
Um and so that breakdown of that
supplement agreement is again
any any plan you've got to go back and
do some surveying. Uh so we're going to
do a little bit of surveying. The
schematic design is 38,000. That's
basically getting you at 30% design
plans and then it comes back to us to
review as staff and you know again
that's when you're going to find if you
got any hiccups with grade or anything
like that. Um hopefully that's not the
case but again that's a stepping stone
and then you go into um basically
construction docks in permitting which
gets you to basically your 90 to 90 to
100% plans. That's all in that 89,000.
Um,
and that's includes storm water. You
know, we we still got to make sure the
pond itself uh can can take the
impervious that we're putting back the
additional impervious we're putting back
out there. We may have to put a smaller
pond in a different in a a different
location. Don't know that yet, but
again, that's part of that that money.
And then the sub services, that's
basically all the subcontractors. You've
got you got the the guy that's going to
design this uh synthetic turf field. All
right, that's a separate consultant.
Then you have your architectural design
um
of the building and all that. And then
you have um
and also the bathroom stuff. Again, we
have to go back and take a look at make
sure what we designed back then. We did
have somewhat of a a permanent design
for that building, but again, that's
been several years old. So he has to go
back and make sure it's up to code now
the any updated building code standards.
So you got a little bit of services in
that. And then of course we got to get a
new cost estimation to figure out
exactly what it's going to cost us. Cuz
again you have 4.3. I can't guarantee
you it's going to come in below that. Uh
hopefully it does, but we we'll know
that sooner or rather than later when we
get to that 60% plan stage. And so we'll
come back to y'all then. And then
basically we we'll have to do some
material testing services out there. Uh
so you've got to factor that in, you
know, a pot of money to make sure you
have enough to do that. And then
reimburse is just, you know, documents,
printing, stuff like that.
Uh what's not in this number is uh the
permitting itself is trying to get the
documents together, but do you know
obviously the town do pays the
permitting fees for those third party uh
agencies. So, that's a little bit of
money. It's not much, but again, it's
not technically in that number. Just so
you're we're clear.
Any questions about uh the breakdown
um of those two amounts? Again, you've
got 40 451,700 is your total amount. And
that gets you again that 177 is inside
that sub subcontractor services. So,
that's your total plus your community
center renderings, which is your 50%
design plans.
All right. Anyway, I'll take questions
if anybody has any. Um,
before we go into the ordinance, let's
ask questions and I'll explain what the
orange change is.
>> Anybody have any questions?
>> Yeah. The um the 451 represents the
50some, the 177, and the 280 something.
Right.
>> No, the 59 the 50ome we already paid
for. All right. That that was the
>> 177 and the 280 something.
>> Correct. Yes. Um the 177 is going to
come out from the community
fund, right? Pulling from two sources,
>> right? And you'll see that. Yeah.
>> All right. That's all I asked. That's
all I I'm asking.
Any other questions? So, um I thought of
this question earlier, but u which
really has nothing to do with this, but
this
uh this was approved,
uh the phase 2B was approved unanimously
by
council, was it not? Okay. I just wanted
to make sure that it was already
everybody understood that it was
unanimously passed. Go ahead. That was my comment.
>> When you say phase 2b, what I guess what
is it? It was approved for us to go get
these numbers to bring back to council
for them to approve the project itself.
The the schematic design that Todd
showed that showed the community center,
>> the field, and the parking lot, the
second one. Yes, that was approved by
council at the
>> two meetings ago.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Uh move on.
>> Okay. So the way the ordinance breaks
down is basically you're adding an
additional cap reserve fund which is the
community center fund to fund that 177
which is on the second um your other
funding sources don't change. Um
so basically you're adding that 17 on
top of the 7 and a half million.
And if you have any more questions I'll
be happy to answer them. If there's no
more questions, I just I just want to um
just bring this up very quickly. Um
the importance of having a I I I've read
and seen where
uh why haven't we move forward with
trying to um collect money or try to ask
for money for for the community center?
And um um I just
You can't really ask for money until you
have until you have something to show
them. And um I kind of would like that.
Adam, would you like to
or or mention or say
in other words, we've got to you've got
to have a if you're going to ask
somebody for $40 million,
you can't tell them what you think it's
going to look like. You got to show them
what it's got to look like. Is is this
is what my point is trying to be. Not
that I think anybody's gonna give us $40
million, but what if they did? You know,
that'd be great. Or a million dollars or $500,000 or $200,000 that before you
do that, you've got to you've got to
show them. You don't go buy a
Rolls-Royce without without seeing it,
you know, without knowing what it is. So
I I just kind of want that out there
because I have seen several people
question the fact that why well I'll
just point we haven't we haven't or
haven't gotten any money and I want to
do my best to get money for it and but
that's the reason and right
>> and and that's what that 177 is going to
give us. So that'll give us like Todd
just said to 50% design plans roughly
>> roughly
>> between two and three external
renderings of the community center so
that council, the public, park and rec
park and recck committee, everybody can
weigh in to what that looks like at that
point.
>> If I can add this too, mayor, um it it's an important step in our evolution
right as a town where we want to
construct a community center. We've
identified a place for it that where
we'd like to see it, but without without
the the a plan, right, which is
basically saying at this point in time,
we want to build this. This is how much
we estimate it to cost. It'll cost us. I
think that is what you will need as the
mayor, as the face of the town going out
and asking people for money. They're
going to ask you, well, what are you
going to build? You have something to
show, right? Even if it's the plan, how
much it's going to cost? you have an
estimate of what it's going to cost if
you had the money one time. So I think
these things are necessary for us to
move on to that next phase. And anybody
who you know brings up a point in saying
well why haven't you asked for money? I
mean I'm just going to be honest.
So let's not worry about these. Let's
not worry about you know the people who
some very small minority who think that
way. Let's put this forward and get
there and therefore we go that we you
know
>> well I think it's it's I think it's
necessary. I just want the public to
realize too that that's that's what
we're doing. That's that's why we're
doing and and I think it's a it's a good
idea. So, thank thank you for for that.
So,
>> so we have a you know several motions we
got to do um to get this get the finish
line.
>> Okay. Can I uh can I get a motion?
Somebody want to make a motion?
>> Congress.
I would like to make a motion
to approve design contract supplemental
agreement number one with McAdams as
presented.
>> All in favor?
>> Unanimous.
>> Also would like to make a motion to
approve the amended U Chestnut Park
phase 2 ordinance number 094 as
presented.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
I also would like to make a motion to
approve the budget amendments for
Chestnut Park phase two as pres
presented.
>> Yes. Okay. All in favor? Unanimous.
And I am done with my motions.
>> Okay. Next we have Stallings Fire
Department storm water relocation. Mr.
Huninger, go right ahead.
>> All right. So, um,
just so you know, I did talk to, uh, the
storm water committee about what I'm
about to present tonight. Uh, and they,
uh, they recommended moving forward, uh,
with my request. So, just give you a
rundown one more time in case uh,
somebody audience doesn't know what's
going on here. U,, so you got the
property of Stalin's Fire Department
along road and that's basically what it
looks like.
You got a you got a rideway that was
bought by the NC DOT to do the old mower
widening and so they purchased this. So
that impacts their dried attention which
is in the green area. So uh they came to
the town because uh you know they
haven't they don't have any experience
you know you know trying to get this
thing moved uh contractwise or anything
else. Um so um we uh the DOT did give
them a certain amount of money to uh
move the dry pond back to the back. We
have uh as a as a staff has have
recommended that we do not just uh
remove replace the dry pond. We want to
get this site back in compliance. Um and
that would be to put a water quality
feature back there. And so, uh, our
consultant that that we hired, uh, that
the the fire department is paying, um,
basically, uh, designed a wet pond back
there.
And it's because, as you can see all
that impervious on the screen. Um, uh,
the fire department when it was first
built was the building structure itself
and then the front parking area. And
then they had a little bit of park uh,
asphalt in the back for the trucks to
obviously drive around the building. But
all that parking at the that you see at
the back here
uh basically was built due to the fact
this is a place you go and cast your
votes. So they need the parking area to
have somebody to park back there. Um and
so that got added. I don't know when. Um
but again that's not being captured by
any kind of a storm water uh facility.
Uh and so it needs to come back into
compliance. So um so I've talked to
them. We um
we did put a little bit of design funds
uh together. It was about $7,000 storm
funds uh that uh I did go to the
committee for and and we just approved
as staff because it was a low amount. Uh
so we did uh add a little bit of design
funds to get that water quality designed
feature design. But that's the reason
why we we need to put this back in
compliance in our stormwater permit our
MS4 permitting. It really encourages
retro, we call it retrofitting a uh uh
property. And so being this is a
government facility, we think this is uh
this be our first one, but we think it's
a good idea to spend $200 to help uh
this uh property get back in compliance
because technically they didn't have to
do this. I mean, they all they needed to
do was because our grandfather didn't is
move that dry pond and we feel like
that's not um a good a permanent
solution.
So where we at right now is we have full
design plans completed. We have an
engineer estimate that was completed
that has been uh shared to the um sen
fire department fire chief. Um
uh obviously all that impervious I just
showed you all that parking lot area the fire department does want to uh
rehab all the asphalt. So that is wasn't
part of this scope. You know obviously
DOT is not paying for all that based on
the rideway acquisition. So, they've got
to come up with those funds. So, that's
what they're doing right now is they're
going back to the county and trying to
get more funds for the project. Um, they
feel like they can get those fairly
soon. So, we're tenatively going to
advertise this in September if they can
get those funds. If not, it'll just get
delayed till, you know, whenever. Um,
but we we still are trying to get this
thing bid out as soon as we can to go
ahead and get the process start because
we we do know road is finally coming
soon.
Um,
and then there's obviously a little bit
more a little bit of material testing.
Um, so we we have a called one of our
consultant we've used in the past. It's
very small amount but there will be a
little bit of testing that need to be done.
So DOT basically gave them $38,816
to move this pond. And obviously to move
it, you had to redo some of the storm
water pipe mean, you know, all the
parking lots drained towards open road.
Now it's got to drain to the back. So
you got to reverse all of it. So all
that's included in the 308. Uh the
design obviously taken some of that. Um
so right now that that's a total of 358
because again they're going to need
every bit of 308. So, they knew the 49
was going to be extra
and they're basically in charge of all
the overages. Uh, again, we're going to
help them out with some storm funds, but
that's that's it as far as that goes.
So, just wanted to give you a clo more
closeup what I was talking about with
the imper the impervious. Again, that's
all new asphalt back there. So, it's a
very big area u that they want to
improve. So, that's a big number they've
got to go get. And so
now again, we gave them seven grand to
uh to design the water quality feature.
Um but now they've got to go back and
get our total in engineers estimate with
everything included 750,000.
Um uh the uh their total would be the
259 plus the parking lot. And to convert
that to make that a water quality, we
basically we took several line items
that are considered water quality line
items like your your plantings
um uh some of the vegetation
um and and uh for instance a trash rack
uh appearance uh you know items for the
structure stuff like that that ends up
being around 92 and again that's an
engineer's estimate. I haven't bid it
out yet. Don't know what the total
number is going to be but needed funds
for the county. They need to go back and
get 397,000 to make this work. But what
I'm asking the town to do, uh, the
council is approved using, uh, not to
exceed $100,000 of storm water funds uh,
to help build the, uh, water quality
pond.
And I'll be happy to answer any
questions.
>> Question.
>> Yeah. So, they need 397.
>> They need 397. Not well, not including
our stuff. That's all them. And there
they will they be able to get that
money.
>> I'm been told that shouldn't be a
problem.
>> Okay.
>> I think if anything,
you know, the asphalt parking lot won't
get won't happen. But the obviously I
think getting the that's that's about
150 something thousand just to do the
asphalt.
>> Yeah.
>> So he they've got at least get 160
$170,000. I
>> mean we we I'm I'm fully supported. We
love we love our firemen, right? They
do, you know, first responders. to do um
service when hopefully there's not a
fire, but if there is and it's also a
place where a lot of people go to vote
to as well. It's a very big polling
place.
>> Yeah, it's it's a lot of parking back.
So, um I'm sure it gets used uh
seasonally.
>> I have a question. Um
>> Yes, sir.
>> Since the um DOT, I guess, to took part
of that land, correct? Correct. And this
is a reason why we're doing it.
>> Yes. Uh, do you know how much money the
fire department received for that for
that land?
>> That was that 308
>> as a 308. So, so
out of that 375 that they need, am I
understanding that right? 308 of it.
>> Yeah. 750 total, they've got basically
308 to play with and they need more.
They need the difference now.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> I just wanted to make sure I knew I
understood what Yeah. Yeah. No.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> All right. Can I get a motion?
» I would like to make a motion to approve
the request for using the additional
$100,000
of stormwater funds for construction
costs for the Stalins Fire Department
storm water recloation
project as presented.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
>> All right. Thank you, Mayor Council.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
All right. So, we're going to move on to
uh
budget amendments. Excuse me. Economic
development agreement. I'm sorry.
I I had skipped to the next one
in my mind. So, yes, we are on the
economic our economic development for
the Indian Trail Waterline. Um, so
council back in March of this year uh
directed myself and and the team to work
on an agreement with Indian Trail Town
Center LLC for not for an amount not to
exceed half a million dollars. Uh we
have worked with uh Melanie, gotten that
agreement drafted. It uh went to Taipar.
They were good with it. It's come back
to us. So now we are here tonight to uh
ratify that agreement. Also with that is
the budget amendments that it'll take to
do that. Um
it is my recommendation to in this
year's budget. We allotted $200,000 for
economic development to use that. And in
the past y'all have put aside and saved
out of past budgets an amount of
$320,000
for economic development. So, take 300
of that, the 200 of this year's budget,
adds up to 500 to be able to fund that.
Um, leaving in that, let's call it the
economic development savings account.
Again, I'm not using a budgetary term.
I'm using just a a general term would
still be about $20,000 sitting there for
future projects that council wanted to
do incentives for. Remember, this
doesn't mean that council does not have
money to do incentives. You would just
have to do budget amendments from
unassigned fund balance to move that
money in the future if you wanted to
>> explain very well.
>> So, uh, can I get a motion?
>> Well, before you do so, I I just want to
say something. I I was part of the the
original council that approved this and
for some reason it wasn't I don't know
what the reason is. Um, it it it wasn't
enacted upon and that we're back here
again voting on this. So Melanie based
on this this is executable that we don't
have to come back again that's a
clarifying question
>> once taipar
>> once the party agrees
>> correct correct I think the issue last
time it was a three-party agreement and
the county never executed it
>> all right okay thank you sorry may I
just wanted to clarify that
>> all right
>> uh one thing I probably should have said
is the um the funds aren't due to taipar
until after the line is in the ground
and fully operational and approved by
the county. Um, so there the asset will
be in place before any funds are given
over to uh the developer.
>> Well, maybe I shouldn't ask this
question, but did the county pay it into
or do we know or do we
>> No,
>> they did not.
>> That's why we're making a new agreement
that does not include the county as the
old one did.
>> Gotcha. Well, I was afraid of that, but
Okay. All right. So, tap. So, they have
to eat that. Is that basically what's happening there?
>> All All litigation monitor, too.
>> Okay. All right. Well, I'm glad to see
Indian Trail step up and doing what they need to do. Um All
right. Now, can I get a can I get a
motion?
>> I'll make a motion to approve the
request for you. Oh, I'm sorry, wrong
one. Make approve make a motion to
approve the economic development
incentive agreement as presented by Mr.
Mlam. All in favor? Unanimous.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the
accompanying bud budgets amendments as
presented.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
>> And then I'll make a motion to approve
the accompanying journal entry as
presented.
>> All in favor? Unanimous.
Very good. Thank you. Um, this brings us
up to CRTPO delegate and alternate
minutes correction. Miss Sims, Mr.
Mclam.
>> So, from time to time, uh, when we're
putting together minutes, we may reverse
something in the minutes or things like
that. Um, working with Melanie, if that
happens, there are general statutes that
allow us to update those, but you have
to have clear and concise information to
be able to do that. Because our minutes
uh because our meetings are on YouTube,
we have that information. So, uh, to do
this, what we're going to do is show a
very short, it's a minute and 20
seconds, if that, uh, clip from the
meeting that this took place at, and
then we would ask for council to make a
motion to update the minutes to what
happened at the meeting. So, this is the short clip of the meeting.
>> Okay. Next is the uh, CRTPO, Charlotte
Regional Transportation Planning
Organization, and um, I need a
nomination. Uh, I think I know who has
done a fantastic job with it. And uh,
who would like to nominate Clarence? Oh.
>> Huh? Would you?
» All in favor?
Unanimous.
All right. Alternate delegate.
Clarence, would you like to
>> like to nominate Mayor Con?
>> All in favor?
unanimous.
>> So, the way that we wrote the minutes
was that uh the way that the minutes
were written and approved was that Mayor
Conn was the primary delegate and
council member Oscar Brooks was the
alternate delegate, but as you can see
through the recording, it was actually
the exact opposite. So, all we're
looking for is uh approval to update the
minutes.
» I I can make that motion for you if you
want, mayor.
>> Sure. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the
correction of the December 9th, 2025
meeting reflecting council member Als
Brooks, Clarence Als Brooks as the
primary delegate and the mayor, Mr.
David Cohen as the alternate delegate of
CRTPO as presented.
>> Uh, all in favor? Unanimous.
>> Thank you.
>> I just want to quickly say that um
Clarence had been the uh the primary
delegate for quite some time. Uh, and
then of course we we did, but
it it did get put on social media by a
council person who actually voted for
it, voted in this and and said that
um that that was incorrect that he went
by the minutes even though he knew
better. So anyway, I'm not going I'm not
going to divulge in that. It's just kind
of a sad situation. But let's move on to
uh new business CRTPO call for projects.
Mr. Huninger.
All right. So, um
uh talk to talk to Adam about this and
uh try to get a sense of, you know, what
projects could we submit? uh this fall
call again uh if you don't recall I
talked a little bit about this
previously uh but they you've got a a
significant amount of money um uh for
this fall call usually it's only around
30 million and there are a little bit
over 50 uh due to not being not using uh
some monies uh in the pre previous
uh iterations. So, um I think it's a
it's an opportunity to at least um you
know, at least submit at least one
project. If we don't do two, we're going
to I'm going to show you two projects
tonight, but again, if we can at least
do one of them, I think would be a good
idea, uh just because there's
opportunity there. And I think you're
going to get a lot of applicants, so
it's probably going to be a tough um a
tough application process uh to get
award funding, but I think we ought to
take a a shot at it. So, uh, two
projects tonight like to talk about is
Chestnut Lane Potter Road intersection
improvements. That's one of the
intersections in our, uh, transportation
master plan and Price Mil Creek
Greenway.
All right. So, uh, if you go to your the
transportation master plan, that
basically this is the drawing you'll see
u, uh, in the main body of the document
and the appendixes. Um, so
what what the uh suggestions or
recommendations were was to basically uh
add uh two right turn lane movements on
and I'll I'll zoom in here in a minute
on two legs of the intersections and
then extend uh left turn lanes on the
other sections and then basically
improves all pedestrian uh uh uh safety
features like the curb ramps, the ped uh
push buttons
But right now there's no crosswalks out
there right now. There's it's all the
striping is kind of gone. Um and so and
then add
a sidewalk that's missing uh at in the
Stalin section.
So if you look at it, uh so it would be
this right turn lane would be a brand
new lane. Right now it's a straight
right combo. you would build a brand new
right turn lane uh coming up from the
neighborhoods on the east side or west
side of the town going to eastly
um you would add a right turn lane right
now that's a straight right and then you
would extend the left turn lane along
Potter going north
um and then the left turn lane
uh I believe I didn't highlight it but I
believe that's on Potter going south you
would extend that left turn lane a
little bit as well
uh And then again do improvements. Um
refle reflectivity markings. Uh all
these curb ramps need to be updated. Uh
and then add that go if you go back to
the other drawing. This section of
sidewalk here is is not there on the uh
this is the Indian parcel but it's
basically Stalin's uh you know
subdivisions that need to be connected
back to this intersection. Um, so I we
pic I picked this one or suggested this
to Adam because uh we're going to come
to y y'all in September with pro with
suggestion to do a joint venture with
Stalins's to uh connect the sidewalk on
Chestnut on the west side of town uh
where the new subdivision have been
built uh west of Kenwood South if y'all
know that area. there's uh missing
sidewalk connections and they would like
the uh us to partner with them that you
know Chestnut Lane in that area is a
mixed bag of Stalins and Indian parcels.
So would like to extend that sidewalk
all the way to Weddington Road. Is that correct? Weddington Road. Yeah.
So, I think if we're going to do that,
if y'all decide to do that, then I think
it's a good idea to go ahead and get
this started in the process. Again,
you're talking about if we would get
approved in 2026, we wouldn't be able to
do design till 2029. So, it would be a
long ways away. Um, but again, you would
be able to at least start the process of
getting this updated. So I thought just
be being that it's not um uh moneywise
it's a few million
because just those turn lanes that's
pretty much what's you're eating the
money. Uh but if we can get a 8020 split
it would be a little over half million
to the town to be to spend. Again, you
would have several years from 29 all the
way to 2031
32
u to uh spend out that money and then
get reimbursement for it. So
anyway, and then the next one is Price
Mil Creek Greenway. U this this project
is actually in the priorit
prioritization 8. U that's a process of
trying to get projects into the step.
And so they've um they've started that
process. Right now it has been ranked.
It is not ranked very well. Uh we do
have two projects uh in the pedestrian
what they call it non-highway group.
It's this project and our sidewalk
connections project. And if you don't if
you don't recall that that's all our gap
connections. We have like eight to nine
streets that we combined all together.
that actually got ranked high out of 40
non-highway projects in P8. Uh that is
number seven. So I feel like that's got
a a great shot of getting to the step.
So um I wouldn't mess with that right
now, but Price Mill is in the middle of
the road, lower half. It's just it's
been sitting there, Lord knows since me
and Adam been here. Um and so it's just
never going to get funded through that
process.
I think it's an ideal candidate greenway
wise because again road is coming. I
know some people don't think that but it
is coming and you're going to have a
10ft multi-use path on that side road
that this greenway will connect to. And
as you can see it's going to connect you
know six subdivisions um u well six
subdivision have opportunities to get to
that greenway. Some of them going to
have to walk a little longer than
others, but it it's to me going to get
used more probably most more than most
greenways we've got planned in the
future. Um, and again, we've got
uh it's one one and a half miles and if
you look at the drawn county parcels, we
already own about 80% of the property
already that we don't even have to pay
for. Um, so that's a savings in itself.
Uh, we don't have to go back and buy
that permanent easement from these
folks. we would just have to deal with
heritage subdivision which I think they
would welcome uh that connection. Um and
then we se several parcels right there
uh along road where we have already part
property.
So again uh think it's a ideal candidate
uh to move forward with if you would
like. Um this is a big number because we
use DO's estimating tool. Uh, so I
haven't really had chance to really
break down the cost. I don't think it's
going to cost $4.7 million, but again,
that's what the the the program spit
out. Um, so that would obviously at 8020
split that would be a million dollars
we'd be on the hook for, which again, I
don't think it's going to cost that much
to build. Um, if we act sooner rather
than later.
and I'll be happy to ask answer any
questions about those two projects.
>> Do you recommend you act a little
hesitant about doing both projects?
>> No, I just um No, I don't have a
hesitency, but uh I mean I I wanted to
be transparent the fact that you know
there's there's only three intersections
we have in a master plan. We we already
got one starting like we're going to
start doing design for Stinson Hardest
Yroview.
So there's only two left. It's that one
and Fate Church in Unionville. Faith
Church is pretty high costwise.
Um, but I picked again picked this one
because
I would think not, you know, I'm not
making a decision for y'all, but I would
think the partnership with Stalins to do
that sidewalk connection is probably a
good project to to move forward with.
And if you're going to do that, then,
you know, why not try to improve this
intersection? It's it doesn't fail right
now. It's fine right now, but we we do
forecast the 2050. it will fail in 2050
and that's crash ratio data and
everything. It's going to fail. Um you
have about 25 crashes a year at the
intersection. We did look at, you know,
uh redoing the intersection to a
roundabout to an RCI intersection. It
just it doesn't work because Potter has
more um more volume and it's only a
two-lane road um than Chestnut does. So
that that
uh misbalance with the traffic uh is not
acceptable those types and roundabout
wouldn't would fail in 2050. So you
don't want to build a roundabout.
>> So this is a cheaper option is build
some turn lanes and and do some
pedestrian improvements.
>> So our recommend I mean like the
recommendation from myself and the team
would be to go after both projects.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. I think that that speaks volumes.
And if you don't have any questions or
Clarence
>> question um and did I understand you say
uh Stalins is submitting the project
also as a joint.
>> No no this is Stalins um
uh went to their board uh to see if they
would be willing to fund it now without
any help. So, they have agreed to do
that and so we'll be coming to y'all to
actually build a project without any
help from any uh funding sources.
>> That's a completely different project
than the ones that we're talking about
right now. These are two projects. We
will come at the next council meeting
with another project that is uh solely
sidewalk connections and a
bridge uh over the creek down there at
the low point on um Chestnut. Yeah, it's a it's technically a low priority
project for us in our ped plan, but
since Stalins is willing to spend money
to do it, to me, I think that, you know,
that helps assist us in saying that, you
know, uh we maybe should we should look
at moving forward, you know, sooner
rather than later since we are getting
help with it.
>> Okay, good.
>> But tonight, we would need a motion to
go to put both of these projects in for
the fall call. Can I get a motion?
>> Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion to submit both of the
projects presented by Mr. Huninger for
the fall call for projects with CRTPO.
>> All in favor unanimous.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you, Mayor.
>> Thank you, Todd. All right. That brings
us up to uh CRTPO update. I'll do on
time. Sure. Also, Brooks, we're we're
getting down to the nitty-gritty.
You tell me to take my time.
>> No, no, but no. We're We're telling you
we're doing good on time. Don't mess it
up.
» Well, thank you, Mr. Also Brooks. Um,
>> that was good.
>> Councilman McIntyre would say Also
Brooks. Clarence also Brooks.
All right.
Ready? All right. So, kind of catch up
what's going on here on Monday, May
11th. The city of Charlotte voted six to
five to resend the support for the
current I77 South Express lanes.
From what I was told, it was kind of a
spare of the moment thing that they
didn't really know what was going to
happen. They had one council member that
wasn't really sure which way they were
going to lean, but the final result was
a six to five. So, with that said, at
the May CRTPO meeting, the mayor of
Matthews made a motion for CRTPO's board
to vote to follow Charlotte's footsteps
and receing its support for the I77
South Lane project. Um, now this item
wasn't on our agenda for the main
meeting, so it needed a uh supermajority
to pass. With that said, Charlotte, we
have a weighted vote and Charlotte
carries 40 votes. The motion pass with
the supermajority.
Are you advanced? Okay, there you go.
Thank you. So, no, go ahead. You're
doing a good job. Um, so after the uh
that vote was cast to resend support,
then soon after that, Senator Vicky
Sawya proposed language for bill Senate
Bill 257. The language discussed that a
reimbursement rule that would require
the municipalities of the no that voted
to resend it support for the I77 South
Express lanes to be responsible repay NC
DOT back between 6064 million for the
primary the preliminary cost and I'm
happy to say that Indian Trail was not
part of that. Um, you know, we were not
one of those municipalities. And with
that said, I cast a vote that we did not
rece
on the agenda. I didn't have time to
come back to the council to discuss
anything. Um, so that was my decision at
the time.
>> Can I interrupt you for just one second?
>> Yes, sir. I want to interrupt you and
just say before you did that is Clarence
did not vote with a majority, the super
majority. He he voted against the super
majority. Therefore, Indian Trail did
not owe millions of dollars uh to
for what what this is all about. And I'm
just just saying that kudos to our CRTBO
rep who I know
Monrose
got got caught up in all that and knows
a couple of million dollar or they don't
act could owe a couple of million
dollars along with other towns. And I
just just wanted it to be known that you did the right thing that you
didn't join you didn't join the super
majority. you didn't you didn't uh vote
for an item that wasn't on the agenda
that they put on the agenda and rush
through and I'm just going to say good
job and go on.
>> Thank you. So, if we broke it down, uh
what NC do is saying is they spend about
$60 million to this point uh you know on
this project and um excuse me and since
we have a weighted vote, Indian Trail is
at two votes. Uh we that's based on
population. Indian Trail is at about
45,000 in population. Once Indian Trail
hits 50,000 then we will receive another
vote or unless something changes and
then we have three votes. So what they
did is they broke it down uh the 40
votes of Charlotte was you know how much
they would pay and then each other
municipality that voted against it how
much they would pay based on their vote
which is based on the population. So
with that said, at the July CRTPO
meeting, a few municipality reps hinted
that after having some discussion with
their boards, they might have second
thoughts about voting to resend. Um, so
the motion, it was asked, the motion
failed at that time, but we were advised
that the money was still in step and
that we could cast another vote at the
September meeting. So with that said, um
I want you to come back, present it to
our two board members that are here now
and uh see if you have any feedback. I
strongly suggest that we continue the
same path uh until we have more
information or more information is
available because uh NCA DOT was saying
that they haven't presented um all their
information yet. So,
>> so um what whatever path you choose that
we don't end up owing money is the path
I said I suggest. Um, having said that,
I I don't agree with that with a
punitive measure, but I do think that
the deliberation that you've, you know,
you've engaged in has been very well
serving and and I know the mayor talked
about, you know, Clarence's um, uh,
approach to this, but many of you didn't
know Clarence was not on the town
council and he was coming to every one
of those CRTPO meetings because I was a
representative, I think, at that time.
And Clarence has taken an a very um he
he's he's taken this on very seriously
in that Charlotte as you know has 40
votes. We have two. So Charlotte always
the projects kind of this bigger city in
your you know big banks and other big
companies there. But in Indian Trail
Clarence being there at the table
attending the meetings gives us
representation that Todd and his team
can present projects and we can get them
funded. Right. So that kudos to Clarence
for really taking this on and being our
primary delegate to the fact that when I
was on there, I never got up here and
speak. So you can see he's elevated sort
of the representation and what he's
bringing back to the to the council and
to the residents. So kudos to you,
Clarence. But whatever path you choose
that make sure we don't we don't pay but
we get money, I'm I'm all right with it.
>> Thank you.
>> I second everything he just said. But
no, honestly, you've you've obviously
made a good decision whenever you were
put under the pressure and I I fully
support what you do.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.
>> Well, again, with that said, um
I have not done this on my own. I've
been supported and coached and mentored
by, you know, various people. I
appreciate that. The mayor himself, the
mayor is the alternate. the mayor and I
actually we still have discussions.
He'll call me, he gets the agenda, he'll
call me about things that are going on
in CRTPO and we have that discussion and
so I try my best to make sure that I
don't go up there and say what Clarence
wants to say. So, um it is something
that I still continuously have
conversation and I did sent to the town
manager an email to send out to all the
council so that the council could have
feedback as well. So, all right. No
other questions or comments?
All right. Well, we'll keep it going
then. Thank you.
>> Hang on. There's one other thing that
you had asked. Can you pull up that
picture?
>> Oh, okay. Actually, I do have a So,
um, yes, we what we did, we have some
citizens here, concerned citizens, and
we got a phone call from a citizen that
had some questions about their road and
paving, and uh, thought it was a good
idea to get Phelix, who's the uh,
engineer up there from or we got some NC
DOT uh, reps up there, the mayor, Todd
Huntinger, town manager, and myself. and
we asked them to come down so that we
can um so that they can see the
conditions of some of the roads in
Indian trail and put eyes on it to u so
that we can have a more in-depth
conversation of the streets and the
traffic in Indian trail. So, and I also
I should have started a presentation
with this, but I would like to do a did
you know on my presentation and I have a
question. So, this is more of a question
cuz I don't know. So, if you know that's
good or what do you call someone who
lives in Indian Trail? So,
>> I call him an Indian trailian.
>> That's what you call him.
>> That's what I call him. But I mean, I
don't know.
>> I think we need an official. I'm not
going to tell you what my wife calls me
sometimes. And it's not necessarily
Indian trilian, but no, she's I'm
kidding.
>> But do you call her?
>> You know, being born born and raised, we
never never we we stuck more with
Spartans. We were we were proud to be
Sun Valley people. So we we never had
anything to do as far as Indian trail
goes. Again, Indian Trail was much
smaller. It was about all the state
chumps lived on in Sun Valley.
>> You got that right. You got that right.
Um, but no, I I throw that question out
to the community and I would like if
anyone has any uh there's people been
here longer than me, but or if anybody
has any suggestions, I would like to
know. So that's the do you know what
just good people call them that or and just to
I think we ought to work on a flag for
Indian Trail. I' I'd like to have our
own flag, but that's don't we won't get
in that discussion. Just something to
think about. We'll call them good people
that love their council and love to
support their council. Everything they
do, that's what we'll call them. Thank
you. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you, Clarence.
>> You're welcome.
>> All right, this brings us up to the
manager report.
>> Mr. Mclam,
>> I'll be short tonight. Just two things.
Uh first one is Todd and his team got
authorization to uh rideaway
authorization today for
uh highway 74 mixeduse path and greenway
from NC do. So we will start moving
forward on the rightway that we need for
that project to keep it moving forward.
Uh and the last one I will we are not
going to sing but I will say happy
birthday to Miss Trina. It is her
birthday today. So
Well, I'll sing. No, I'm kidding. Just kidding. I wouldn't put
you through that on your birthday. Thank
you, Adam. Very, very good. Very good
job tonight on all all that was
explained. Brings us to council member
comments.
>> Council member McIntyre.
>> All right, let's go. Let's make it
quick. Um,
before I close tonight, I want to
reflect on something special that
happened in our community today. Um, we
had the privilege of unveiling the
street in honor of Mr. Jerham Sutton.
Mr. Sutton means a great deal to this
community and recognizing him reminds us
of the lasting impact one person can
have through service to others. I also
want to thank Miss Bhalik for her
continued efforts with adopt cot.
Supporting the men and women who serve
and protect our community matters and we
appreciate her commitment. And while
we're talking about service, I'll say
this. Public service requires courage.
Leadership is not about showing up only
when decisions are easy or the votes are
comfortable. The people elect us to show
up, take a position, cast the difficult
votes, and be accountable to them. When
the moment gets uncomfortable, that is
precisely when leadership matters most.
Avoiding a difficult decision does not
make the responsibility disappear.
In that same spirit of responsibility
and service that's going to carry on
into our schools as the new year begins.
My wife and I, one of our sons starts
his college journey on Thursday. And we
are incredibly proud of him. Of course,
there's one small benefit. His room is
going to officially become my new gym. I
also wish Mr. Mlam and Miss and Mrs. Cox
and their families the very best as
their children begin their college
journeys as well. To all of our students
returning to elementary, middle, high
school, college, I wish you a safe and
successful year. And to our teachers,
educators, administrators, school
resource officers, crossing guards,
cafeteria workers, coaches, and support
staff. Thank you. Um my mother worked in
education for aboutif
um working in education is more than a
job. It's a vocation. We know they do
not pay the teachers and and everybody
else as much as they should but these
are very important people within our
community and we are very grateful for
the commitment to our children.
Um,
I want to thank each and every one of
you for here tonight for putting up
profess for listening to the questions
that I asked and and and you know other
um
uh members of of the council asked. Um,
we don't just ask this question in a
vacuum. We ask them to really get
information and to make informed
decisions because we take this very
seriously. Staff, I know it's a little
bit late for you. We do appreciate all
that you do. Um the good thing is we
only have one month um one meeting this
month before we get back to our two
regular meetings. Mayor, thank you for
putting up with me. But to each of you
who serve and who participate, I want to
say thank you to each of you. You matter
a lot to the community. It's an honor to
sit up here and to be able to serve you
in the best that we can. And with that,
I say to everybody, have a wonderful
rest of the summer and have a pleasant
evening.
>> Council member Vholik.
>> All right. Okay. See, I was going to say
I'm going to take all of Marcus's time,
but then he talked a lot, so I'm going
to make mine short, I hope. No. Um, I
wanted to kind of piggyback a little
bit. Uh, the unveiling today of was it
Jerome Sutton Way? Correct. Yeah.
>> Um, it just felt good. It felt good to
do something good for someone who meant
so much. And as the cars drove by and
people were honking and waving and just
seeing how it put a smile on his face
and I looked at him and I said, "How do
I get my name, you know, up there?" And
he's like, "It's not for me. for the
kids and that really truly does someone
that's humble. It really shows us how
good the people in Indian Troll are. So,
I also wanted to mention him. Um I hear
congratulations are in order for someone
Alicia. Um so, I wanted to say that. And
then let's see. I have a whole bunch of
I'm trying really hard to make this
shorter. Um summer is always a little
bit slower with meetings, but
August starts things back up. So, I have
a central line meeting tomorrow. um
going back with the Chamber for Women in
Business and Leadership Union coming up.
So hopefully we'll get some ideas to
bring back for council to maybe use in
our town. And then I wanted to recognize
Common Heart as they celebrated their
20th anniversary recently. Um I did get
to go to that ribbon cutting which was
really fun and it's really nice to see
someone in our community again making
such a difference. So um I already said
thank you to all my adopt people. Again,
thank you to the sheriff's department
for keeping us safe. I know y'all are
busy. Um hopefully I'll get to do a ride
along soon and see how busy y'all are.
Um but everybody, thank y'all for coming
and have a great night.
>> Council member Also Brooks,
I want to say thank you to the citizens
that are here tonight. Um and investing
in your government, seeing how your
government runs and being a part of it.
Say congratulations to Miss Massie and
Mr. Cobb on their promotions. Um, want
to say happy birthday to Indian Trail
Citizen Sherry Hammonds. Uh, this is
fundraiser season. Crisis Assistance
Ministries is having a fundraiser going
on. I ask you to go to their website and
look and feel free to donate if you feel
led.
Um, the Veterans Memorial out there, I
want you to know that there are
scholarships. If you know a veteran that
needs your name out there, uh, and if a
scholarship is needed, you come talk to
me, um, or Mr. Patrick Oconor back
there, Mr. McIntyre, uh, not to single
you out, but I want to say thank you for
the questions that you asked this
evening. Uh, those financial questions
help me and it helps me learn more
things that I don't think about. So, I
greatly appreciate that.
Um, also to the citizens, I would
encourage you to also watch the uh,
planning board meetings. They go into a
little more depth on the things that you
hear and because I can see it in your
faces. Sometimes we're discussing things
and if it goes over your head or it
seems like, hey, they're not really
getting into the meat of things. I
encourage you to watch the planning
board meetings as well and they're on
YouTube. Also, I've always said thank
you to the employees that work on
holidays so that we can enjoy whether
it's Fourth of July parade or whatever.
We can enjoy things, but forgive me, I
should be including law enforcement,
first responders. They're there at the
parades and things like that so that we
can um have a good time. And I never say
thank you to our town attorney who does
a great job as well. So, with that said,
I really appreciate seeing everyone here
tonight. Hope you continue to come. Hope
you spread the good word in Indian Trail
and I hope you bring people with us with
you so they can see how their government
runs. Have a good night.
>> Very good.
>> Mayor Con,
>> um I'd like to thank Lieutenant North.
You did a good job tonight. Uh tell Andy
he better not miss too many more
meetings. Uh that that you you did a
great job. Also Jerome Sutton is quite a
great guy and couldn't happen to a
better person. and Marcus, thank you for being who you are and uh answer uh
asking those questions and and the same
to
all of you. Um
you uh you're you're here tonight.
was a night night we had to
answer some big questions and make some
big decisions. And I think what you
said, Marcus, was was meant a lot. It
meant a lot. So, thank y'all. Real
quick, I I meant to do this earlier. I
didn't. I also wanted to tell you about
what all I saw at the aquatic center.
I'm not going to get into that. I'm
going to save that for next time, but uh
real quick, mayor's pretty busy this
week. I think it's important that the public know that that I don't
sit around do nothing. Uh so, uh I went
to the co uh copper tapping uh tapping
table, new restaurant. It's where the uh
East Coast wings were. Good restaurant.
Um, they're going to be here the next
meeting and they're going to present
something and I'm gonna try to talk them
into bringing our food.
>> Stick to stick.
>> What now?
>> Stick. I put my order stick.
>> I put your steak. Okay. No, but but I am
going to I'm going to try to see if I
can do that. Uh, attended ABC board me
uh in meeting and I think we're going to
get a big check from pretty soon. I
think that's really good. Uh, also
attended the Crimestoppers lunch
meeting. Crimestoppers will be here in
September uh for uh the meeting in
Indian Trail. It's never been in Indian
Trail. It's going to be here and I'm
very proud of that. So, uh I'm glad it's
coming. We had Facebook Live, a great
meeting with the the Legion Post. We we
talked to some good people there. Uh we
had uh I I spoke at a um something
called the convention estates at the um
uh Golden Corral on sat a couple of
Saturdays ago. I was the guest speaker
and I enjoyed it. It was it was a lot of
fun. Uh coffee with the mayor this last
time was at the VFW. Some of you were
here were there. Uh I see in this room
were there. Uh it was great. Uh we had a
big crowd there. Uh may the mayor cooked
hamburgers and hot dogs and had good
stuff. And um before I forget to say
this, I I I'm not taking credit for all
this because staff helps me out a lot
with all this stuff. Staff staff is uh
behind the mayor 100%. We had some great
questions. Uh and they got some answers.
Uh went to Kimberly's place, moved to
Monroe. I don't know if anybody knew
that. Kimberly's Place used to uh be
right here in town. They've got a nice
place that they bought up in uh Monroe.
very nice. Went up there and visited
them. Uh we did a uh a ride with the
with DOT Clarence and I and you saw
everybody that was in that picture.
Uh rode through some neighborhoods and
Wesley Chapel Road. Uh something I don't
have on here and I wanted to say this. I
got a call from a resident the other day
uh that was uh that actually complained
about u uh rightfully so complained
about Wesley Chapel Road. And uh I
called DOT and um they said they'd try
to help us out. They actually uh said we
need to put some long they called them
long patches and within two days they
had two long patches on Wesley two or
three long patches on Wesley Chapel
Road. And uh that I thought that was
Have you seen them out there Clarence?
Which is it's amazing uh that that it happened that fast. Um, uh, met
with the senior group downstairs, went
to the aquatic center, met met with 316
sports with, uh, John Sprinkle, uh,
Ronnie Bowers and Jeff and Seth
Sullivan, a Christian uh, sports here in
town with First, it's not First Baptist
Church anymore. It is
>> Church of Indian Trail.
Uh, we had
breakfast with the sheriff, ate with a
Andy and the chief, and Adam and myself
about every month and a half. Uh Adam
and I visited the uh residence that got
flooded. Their yard got flooded and uh
Adam being the man he is um is going to
try to work with them. I don't think
it's Indian Trail's fault at all. They had bought a house in a in a flood
zone. But it's just just who we are and
it's just who you are, Adam. And it's
just just what I'm so proud to work with
the town that we're going to help them
anyway or do our best to help them
anyway. um stopped by Moore Park. Uh and
uh I'd say Jim's left. I saw Jim and I
saw multiple people for the water line
there. There's y'all having some some uh
bumps in the road over there putting
that water line in. So, uh but anyway, I
think it's getting straightened out. Um
met with a couple cha Chaseep on some
future projects. Uh went to back to
school bash on Saturday. Uh, man, I
enjoyed that. Giving away uh uh some
bags and school supplies to children and
uh we had some good food and it was just
a great time. Uh went and worked with
the Deerstein neighborhood. I uh Miss
Moore was here tonight uh and uh went
worked with them. But without all that
being said, that the mayor gets pushed
by the and helped by the staff and
staff. Thank you so much, Adam. you're
great to work with and council. I
appreciate all the ones that are here
tonight. And uh with that being said,
I'm I'm uh I think we've been here long
enough and I've been talking long
enough. Uh what else? What do I need?
>> Close session.
>> What? Oh, we do have a close session.
>> Oh,
leave. You're not leaving.
>> I forgot. I forgot. We have close
session tonight. Okay. Well, I can still
say I'm done, right? I'm done.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought you were asking
for a motion to adjurnn.
>> No, no. I I'm I'm I'm done now. Okay.
Now that I'm done, I say God bless
everybody and uh we are going into close
session. So, uh, we're going to, uh,
enter into close session under
NCGS14331811A5
to establish and instruct the staff, uh,
or, uh, agent concerning the negotiation
of a piece, a price in terms of a
contract concerning the acquisition.
And on another page,
uh, acquisition of real property located
at, uh, 704 074 8019B and 07105036
and under NCGS134
31811A3
to consider and give instructions
concerning the following
judicial actions. Town of Indian Trail
versus Liquid Management
24 CV2.
What now?
>> You don't have to read the phone
numbers.
>> I don't have to read that. Okay, very
good. Do y'all want they
>> town of Indian Trail versus PNG?
>> Do what now?
>> In the second case, Town of Indian Trail
versus PNG.
>> Town of Indian Trail versus
>> PNG. Are you telling me I don't have to
read that
>> the file number? Just the case name.
>> Oh, just just give it
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> And don't read the numbers.
>> All right. LLC. Is that what you LLC uh
24v2756-890.
Can I get a motion?
So move.
>> Okay. All in favor. We're going into
close session. Thank y'all for being
here. Can
>> I get a motion to come out of close
session?
>> All in favor?
>> Motion to close close session.
>> Motion to come out of close session.
>> Motion to return to open session.
>> Motion to come on close session.
>> It's fine. It's all fine. You got it
right.
Are
>> you going to vote?
Unanimous.
>> Motion to close session.
All in favor?
>> Motion to adjurnn.
>> That's right.