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to the flag of the United States of

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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>> You'll remain standing for a moment of

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I guess uh for upcoming events, Battle

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It Out will be in between meetings. Uh

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Battle It Out is August the 21st, uh

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Chestnut Square Park, 6 to9. Grown-ups,

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your moment has arrived. Step into the

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spotlight. Revive your childhood fun and

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go ahead

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in a thrilling battle royale

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style challenges.

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earn points and claim the grand prize.

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clue what that's all about. So, uh

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life-size games, right? So, think

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battleship that you grew up on as a kid,

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to go this year. We How many years have

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ahead and and talk about it. Is Rock the

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Pass Park. That way give you a little

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advance notice to uh mark your calendar.

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Swift. Um so I know we have a lot of

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Swifties in here tonight. So, u if if

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you're a Swifty, make sure you're you're

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uh at the I know I know part of my

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family will be here. So, anyway, but uh

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anyhow, so I look forward to that. That

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only one that's being is there? It's a

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long is is it that because I know it's

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>> Yeah, we'll have another band to start

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it off that's more like nostalgic 2000s

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right. Well, those are welcoming and

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upcoming events. Let's have uh mayor and

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council introductions. Uh

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let's start with did did I did I forget

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something or no? Okay, good. Because I

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usually do. Clarence, why don't you

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» It's always weird to start when you say

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Clarence. Start off introducing

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yourself. But I'm Clarence also Brooks

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>> Mayor David Conn.

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>> Melanie Cox, town attorney. Marcus

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>> Very good. Okay, that uh we don't have

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tonight. It's uh my pleasure tonight to

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call my friend and on my friend and

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neighbor uh who I see uh around the

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neighborhood. I saw him yesterday or day

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before yesterday I saw him in the

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neighborhood is Dr. Steven Smith. Dr.

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Smith was u here a few uh months ago

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with was it sweet potato pie?

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>> it was. You've now written another book.

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>> Doctor, come on up and tell us about it.

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exciting stuff going on around town. We

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got Squid Games coming up, but uh books

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go. That's a good side joke, but okay.

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about me and my daughter and a five

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generation year old recipe.

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talk. Oh, okay.

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Thrifty Books, and even in Walmart. So

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Walmart store. So progress is being

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second book, which is entitled The Box,

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and it's about all the things that you

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don't have to have a lot of money, just

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time spent with your child and an

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imagination. And it walks through my own

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true story of me and my daughter playing

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with things and a cardboard box kind of

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creations. Has activities at the end and

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a bunch of fun facts about cardboard to

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encourage nonscreen fun and family

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interactions. And so, uh, I've been

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downloadable color and activity pages,

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music that I created where you can vote

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for your favorite one, and free games.

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have fun for free. And my website will

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a space that you trust because it's

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buying the book. So

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newsletter, I'll send emails out letting

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updates. I got the best contest in the

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world in my mind. So I'll remind you

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when those contests start or if I'm

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about around town giving away books or

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at a bookstore doing signings. So, I'm

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trying to be as open as humanly

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possible, but this is still the

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beginning. I hope to turn this into a

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cartoon that might stream on like

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Netflix, HBO, something like that one

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day. Um, and so book two is out there

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and here it is. I'll pass it around if

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you want to see it. I don't want to be a

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distraction to the meeting though

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because this fun stuff will make you

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forget why you're here. But does anybody

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have any questions for me? I'm Steve

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Smith, Dr. Steve Smith, formerly of the

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public safety advisory committee and the

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parks. If your kids play at parks or

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grandkids, I love it because I was like,

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reason why I turned down a lot of jobs

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around the country after I got my

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doctorate degree. It's because I love

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living here with my neighbors, you all,

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safe law enforcement. And so, it's a

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good environment. And uh I plan to put

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having me either way.

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it in there. I'm not going to send you

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spam or crazy stuff. I promise you. Um,

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have. Steve Smith again. Dr.steo.com is

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the website. Wish me luck.

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>> Dr. Steel, I got a question for you.

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How's your last How's sweet potato

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doing? Sweet potato pie. Is it doing

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haven't even started the formal

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marketing because I'm still setting up

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the infrastructure, but I I even have it

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on sale at um a bookstore in Los

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store. or they were revitalizing that

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area and they sell books by all those

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founding rappers and entertainers and

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stuff. And I was like, "Would you sell

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my book, please?" And he's like, "Yes,

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bring it on." And he sold, uh, 27 copies

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of it so far without even trying. And he

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wants like 50 more later. And so, um,

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it's growing. It's growing. And I can't

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the third book is going to be entitled

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The Airport. And I'm really proud of

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that one because it will feature

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situations where you're dealing with

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parents that travel for work and they

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miss their kids and things along with

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what airports look like through the eyes

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of a kid. So, we can remind ourselves

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there's joy and happiness to be had

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everywhere. So, when you're in those

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miserable or seemingly miserable

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situations, put on your kid eyeballs and

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you'll start to have fun again,

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possibly. So, that one's coming out

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coming again. And when you bring your

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the sweet potato pie you brought last

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you'll bring food, we we'll eat it. Uh

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>> Meatloaf is number four. me.

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>> Thank y'all. Thank you all for coming.

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» Okay. I don't believe we have anybody

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>> We we have another item. Adam.

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>> I was trying to get through the meeting

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a little quicker. Marcus. Uh, no.

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>> I got to keep you honest.

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>> Sorry, Adam. Uh, financial model, our

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CIP, Mr. Mclam and Miss Massie. Um

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apologize.

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» I feel very close to y'all. I don't know

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if we moved this up or not, but good

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evening, mayor and council. Um, we have

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been going back and forth about this

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financial model now for probably four or

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five months. We've been talking about

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it, telling you what we have, what we're

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able to do, uh, some different steps and

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different things. So, tonight, um,

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and let y'all see some of the

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information that can come out of the

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model and then so that y'all can ask

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additional questions as we move forward

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in the future.

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Um, so we I've said this before,

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internally we have a CIP team, a team

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that meets uh once a month, talks about

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all of our active CIP projects. Out of

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that group, we have a smaller group

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that's been working on this model. And

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that's Alicia Massie, Alicia Gaddy, and

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myself been trying to get this ready for

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y'all to be able to give this to y'all.

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So, I want to tell them thank you for

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all the work they've done with and for

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this tonight. Couple of things that just

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walk through really quickly what we'll

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do. um want to give just a very quick

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review of the CIP so everybody

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understands what that is we'll talk

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about the financial model what it is

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some of the variables and assumptions

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that are built into it so that you

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understand how we're getting the

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outcomes and then we'll review quite a

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few scenarios and then ask y'all any

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questions what I handed to y'all is a

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cheat sheet as you're looking and we're

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talking about all these rather than all

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the detail that's there that is very

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simple straightforward

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so So, what is a CIP? So, for us, a CIP

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is a strategic plan. It tells how we're

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going to get somewhere in the future,

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right? It has a list of projects. It

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goes far beyond that. It tries to meet

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y'all's priorities for how you want to

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see these projects move forward. Uh we

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are talking about right now an FY27

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through FY31 CIP. for the next 5 years.

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The model or the what y'all have been

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given so far makes up 24 projects. In

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that right now, there are 11 funded

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projects, five partially funded, six

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unfunded, and three future projects.

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All right, the financial model we worked

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with first tryon advisors. They were the

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ones that built the model and all the

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background information that's in there.

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Now we can update the model and have and

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run different scenarios. So that's how

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we got to this point. The model can

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analyze a number of things, but these

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are just a few that we can put in there.

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So it'll look at all town funding

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sources. We can look at different tax

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rates. We can look at our debt service

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capital reserve policy. We can look at

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um growth assumptions, expenditure and

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the growth rate and how fast things are

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growing. We we can also look at

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different models for funding projects

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which are your PIGO, your debt or your

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outside funding, whether that be grants

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or through CRTPO uh with Todd and

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Council Member Oscel Brooks and the work

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they do there.

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All right, talk really quick about some

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of those variables and assumptions so

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you know what you're going to see in

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just a second. So those variables again

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can be any number of those things. I

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will not read them again. all those that

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are over there on the

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my left I guess it would be your left

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too left hand side um the assumptions I

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do want to talk about those so we have

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some assumptions built into the model

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always when you're do when you're

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looking at any kind of budget or

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forecast we're going to assume

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uh lower on the growth side and higher

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on the expenditures and we're going to

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do that to make sure that we always have

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enough to fund those things right So we put in growth rates of 3% for our

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nonrevalu years. So growing at a 3% rate

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on non-revaluers.

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Um

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we have grown more than that the last

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couple of nonrevalu years, but that's

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the rate that we we went with and a

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five-year growth on reval years. We know

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that we've been much higher than that

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the last couple of revals. We don't

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think it'll continue to be that high in

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the future. So that's we're modeling

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that at five. Also another assumption is

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that if if and when we do model debt,

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we're modeling take taking that first

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payment for the debt the year after the

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debt is issued. So if it's issued in

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FY30, we would take be the first payment

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would be due in FY31. So there's a year

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lag and when your first debt payment is

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right now we have six scenarios that

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we've run through the model tonight.

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Yes, you do see on that cheat sheet it

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is correct. You see one, two, three, and

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five. You don't see one for zero or

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four. So zero is just a base, right?

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That's just flat what the budget has for

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this year. No projects are in it. Four.

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Reason why you don't see four is an

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actual like scenario that you were given

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is because it is done in model two or

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scenario two with the addition of one

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additional project. So that's why when

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you're running these models, they do

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take time. So, we we chose a few to run

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through uh as actual scenarios.

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All right. Well, any questions that far

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before we start talking about the actual

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scenarios themselves? And if I can't

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answer the question, I'm going to look

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over my shoulder this direction to help

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answer the question.

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We good? Good. All right. I'll keep

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going.

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So, scenario one funds all of those

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projects that you see up there. Those

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are your existing funded projects. So

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that's all of the funded projects are

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funded. It does show when you model it

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out in the future that the debt service

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cap reserve policy would need to be

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reduced to 5 cent and FY29. If you know

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right now we're at 5 1.5 cent. So we're

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showing that you would need to reduce

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that a little bit.

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So this is one of the output screens

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that we get out of the model. Um, I'll

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walk through on this one with a little

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bit more detail and not on the other

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ones. You can see it. Um, so you can see

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in FY24, FY25, the tax rate was 18.5

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cents. In FY26, it went down to 17 and

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it's 17 from there after, right? We're

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modeling it at a 17 cent tax rate. Um,

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now you come over to the debt service

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capital reserve fund column, which is

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the next one over. You can see that in

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FY28

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we reduce that or sorry FY29 we reduce

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that to 5 cent. Um and that's to be able

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to make the model work as it goes out in other columns. You see here we're

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able to set targets and minimums for

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general fund. So you can see we set up

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at the top a target of 50% a minimum of

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that is y'all's policy is that minimum

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of 30% for your fund balance. So you can

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see as it goes down it starts so uh

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>> nothing is highlighted here at the top.

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It didn't flag any of these cells

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because you are above 50%. When you drop

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below 50% it starts flagging them just

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to let us know. And as it goes down, you

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can see the model does go below 30 right

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here. We wouldn't allow that to happen

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that far out. What you would do is you

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would fund a project out of debt service

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capital reserve rather than let the mo

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we wouldn't let us dip below your 30%

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minimum. Um, but it wasn't worth

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rerunning the model to move a project

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when you're less than a percent uh that

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far out because you're talking as far as

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uh FY38 at that point.

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Um you can also see we can look at the

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debt service capital reserve that is

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what this five or five and a half cent

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is pulling over here is how much money

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is getting generated or what or how much

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surplus you have in that given year and

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then what the fund balance is. And then

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you have the last fund that you're

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seeing here on the screen is the one

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that uh is has the money for the public

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works facility and the uh community

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center in it.

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All right.

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>> Sorry, mayor. Can I ask a question?

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>> Sure.

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>> Um,

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sorry. Um,

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can you talk about 2026 growth rate? Um,

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we see 3.4125.

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That's an actual rate. We're in 26 right

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now. Um,

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>> we're in 27 now.

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>> So, well, all right. But the 37.18

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that's a that's an anomaly and there's

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an explanation behind it. I know.

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>> So that was the revalure and that's why

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it is so much higher. Um and that's why

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we modeled future revaluers. They're

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there in the green. We modeled them at

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5%.

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They probably will be higher than 5%.

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They could be lower. I mean, we I've

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been with the town long enough that I

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know the years that we did have a

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decrease when we did revals.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um, so again, you want to be

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conservative when we're modeling those.

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You don't want to take those assumptions

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that it's much higher than that.

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>> And then

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>> so yes, that is an anomaly at 37,

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>> right? And that's because of the reval,

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right?

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> Okay.

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Um, second question. You talk about the

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fund balance and we're looking at 26

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because we're in 27 now, but we're

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talking about past. The 10.6 represents

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the $4 million

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for the community center that we put

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aside along with the 6.8 or almost 7

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million for the public works. That's

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what those two numbers are, right?

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>> That is correct.

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>> All right. Good. That that's it.

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>> And I'm asking for the benefit of myself

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and the public. Very good. Thank you,

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Marcus.

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>> Yep.

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>> So, with each scenario, we also get a

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bunch of graphs that get uh put out, and

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these allow us to look at some people,

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myself, I'm more of a visual person than

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a t tabular person, but you have both to

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be able to look at this. So, you can see

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this gives the exact same information,

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but uh it makes it a little bit clearer

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to see at times. So, if you look at um

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if you go back to this one and you see

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in

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FY27,

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if all of the projects get built out and

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get, you know, expenditures happen the

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way that we think that they will, the

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5.5 cent that is going in will not be

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quite enough to pay for all of those

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projects into the debt service capital

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reserve fund. So you would have to go

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into the the fund balance of that fund.

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Is it okay to say it that way? Okay. The

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fund balance of that fund to pay the

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730.

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Right? So you can actually see that

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graphically here. Right? You see it dip.

530
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It doesn't mean that there's no money in

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that fund. It just means we're spending

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more than the five a half cent. We're

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00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,039
going into we're spending some of that

534
00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,960
savings account of that fund.

535
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,559
>> But that would be a one-time event

536
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:15,360
though. Correct.

537
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:15,679
>> Because

538
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:16,640
>> it's one time.

539
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,840
>> Yeah.

540
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,120
>> And then the following year there's

541
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,640
enough money and there is again

542
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,240
>> and if it's a onetime event, what would

543
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,480
we be able to build with that?

544
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,280
>> I'm sorry.

545
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,760
>> If it's a one-time event, what would be

546
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,159
how what what dollar amount would we be

547
00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:33,039
able to spend?

548
00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,440
if it's a onetime event.

549
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,280
>> So, you're saying that if we let's say

550
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,840
we have $5 million in that fund and

551
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,400
does that mean that we would spend 5.7

552
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,240
million cuz

553
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960
>> So, you'd still have

554
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,720
>> we wouldn't have anything. We would have

555
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,400
spent the 5.7, right?

556
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,840
>> So, in that fund right now there's

557
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320
roughly

558
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,760
$10 million 9.8 eight. We're going to

559
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,080
spend

560
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,240
>> if we spend if we spend 10.2 or 10,

561
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,520
>> but we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't let

562
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:10,720
it go into the negative.

563
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:17,270
>> Yeah, I I got you. Go ahead. Sorry.

564
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,789
» Go ahead.

565
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:21,200
» Okay.

566
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440
>> I apologize. I'm just asking questions

567
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,240
as we go. So what we would do is uh like

568
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,320
if what is the 5.5 equivalent to this

569
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,720
year?

570
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Uh but dollar-wise is it $5 million?

571
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,919
Okay. So the five and a half

572
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,640
cent this year is right around $5

573
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,520
million.

574
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
>> Yeah. This year, if we all the projects

575
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,080
get completed that are planned to get

576
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320
completed, money to be spent, we're

577
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,840
looking at 5.7

578
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,440
to be spent, but there's 9.8 available

579
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,000
overall. So, we would spend the 5

580
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,840
million. We would go into the savings

581
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,640
account and we would grab the 700 and we

582
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,960
would put it in with the other one to

583
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,280
pay for the onetime expense. This year,

584
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,279
still having

585
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,720
I can't do the math in my head. Uh 6 7 8

586
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,840
9 I know

587
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840
>> almost $4 million sitting in the savings

588
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,360
account,

589
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,760
>> right? Yeah.

590
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,799
>> Um no

591
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,880
>> no because then we would add

592
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120
>> No, we the 9 million the 9 million we're

593
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,039
only going to pull what the excess that

594
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,039
we need which is the 700. We'd still

595
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:32,159
have the 9 plus million.

596
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:33,520
>> You'll still have 9 million. Yeah,

597
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,200
>> I got you. I follow you. You're right.

598
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,350
I'm wrong. I follow you.

599
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,559
Yeah.

600
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:40,880
>> Yes,

601
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,600
>> I got you. Okay.

602
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,279
We tracking.

603
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,520
>> All right. So, you can see we also put

604
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960
the graph up here where you can see

605
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,960
tracking that um minimum line. So,

606
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,279
council's policy is that minimum line,

607
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,559
that red line you see at the top. Um the

608
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,240
last graph, and all of them look the

609
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,000
same on all of these future ones,

610
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,919
showing our debt instruments and when

611
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,679
debt is dropping off. So it makes more

612
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,120
sense when we look at future ones

613
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,799
because some of the other models have us

614
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,440
taking potentially if council chose to

615
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,360
taking future debt. So that's why we're

616
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,080
showing you a debt instrument column so

617
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,600
you can see when those drop off.

618
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,360
>> Clarifying question what you just said

619
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,880
there is that as we go forward for

620
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,559
instance we have an installment loan for

621
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,799
this building. You're take the model

622
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,720
takes into consideration when that debt

623
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,480
is paid off and therefore those funds

624
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,240
become available for use. That is

625
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,320
correct. So, as we're modeling through

626
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,000
our existing debt service as as it's

627
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,520
coming off and we're modeling this off

628
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,159
into the future, that is giving us the

629
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:41,520
ability to know how much we're going to

630
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,000
have available if we so choose to do X

631
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,360
project or Y project.

632
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,159
>> That is correct.

633
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,159
>> Good.

634
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,240
>> Any questions about scenario one or

635
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,880
about the data you're actually seeing

636
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,320
because the other ones mirror this. So,

637
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,480
>> good. So, this is just a one year it's

638
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,080
just a a one-year deficit is what you

639
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,600
about. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next

640
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,520
year we're going to be back back up

641
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,600
which really shouldn't going to affect

642
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,880
much of anything.

643
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,720
>> It's not even a deficit. It's only just

644
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,240
pulling money out of your savings.

645
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,520
>> Well, that's true.

646
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,120
>> It's not a deficit. You're right.

647
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:15,919
There's Yeah.

648
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,600
>> Yep.

649
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,400
>> All right. So, scenario two

650
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,960
funds all of the projects you see listed

651
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,279
here. So that's funding projects off of

652
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:29,520
that CIP that are in the funded category

653
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,880
and the partially funded category

654
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,840
minus the community center. It does not

655
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880
model funding the community center. So

656
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080
it it is that scenario that um council

657
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159
member McIntyre you asked about at the

658
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,400
last meeting. You wanted to see a

659
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,120
scenario that funded Indian Trail Road

660
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,679
and funded the public works facility. So

661
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:53,039
that's what we did here is we just

662
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,080
pulled the community center out um to be

663
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,000
able to show that model. So that's what

664
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,960
this is showing.

665
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000
>> And what is just for the public's uh

666
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,279
memory, what is the estimated cost of

667
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,799
the public works and the road? 8 million

668
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,279
and 21 million respectively.

669
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,240
>> Uh Todd

670
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,760
phase two 8 million 7 million

671
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,120
>> Indian Trail Road phase two or about 8

672
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:21,360
million.

673
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,640
>> Okay. About 8 million

674
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,080
>> and then 21 million

675
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,279
>> and 21 million is public works. Now you

676
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,000
see here that's phase one of the public

677
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,080
works facility. Remember council asked

678
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,559
we had a master plan and council said go

679
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,799
back and get us a phase one. So that's

680
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,279
what we did and this is the phase one.

681
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,840
Um but we have

682
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,320
7 million in the bank.

683
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,840
>> Yeah. So, you would need an installment

684
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,880
financing, some kind of other way to

685
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,279
fund the additional 14 million. So,

686
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:54,880
that's what you'll see when we show you

687
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,240
this model is we modeled it as a $14

688
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,200
million installment debt financing. Same

689
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,720
thing this building was at. Um, not 14

690
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,320
million, but same type of debt

691
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399
instrument. Uh, right now we're seeing

692
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:13,039
rates in the 5% for 20 years.

693
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,440
So, mayor, you mind? Mayor, I apologize

694
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,440
for asking so many questions. I'm sorry.

695
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,799
I just want to make sure I understand

696
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:20,480
that. So, you don't mind if I ask the

697
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,279
questions, right?

698
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,600
>> I do not. I don't mind. I don't mind.

699
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,600
>> I I appreciate that, sir. So, we have 21

700
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,039
million in terms of the estimated cost

701
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,200
of the public works as we've rendered,

702
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,799
but we have 7 million available.

703
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,120
Therefore, we need 14 for the Indian

704
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,200
Trail Road. We have 8 million cost

705
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,279
estimate, right? in today's dollars,

706
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,279
right? That's I think it's 8 million,

707
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,000
but we have about $800,000 close. Let's

708
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,799
just say a million dollars um that we

709
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,559
probably have in there as partially

710
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,480
funded. That means that we only need

711
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,360
seven. So 14 plus that seven give us we

712
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120
would need to go to market or to get

713
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,039
debt of 21 million for those two

714
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,000
projects.

715
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,919
>> So the way the model is run, we actually

716
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,600
don't need to go to market for Indian

717
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,399
Railroad.

718
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:02,799
>> Okay.

719
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,480
>> We only need to go for the public works

720
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,799
facility.

721
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,320
>> We only need 14.

722
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,760
>> Correct.

723
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,240
So good story. Then

724
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,440
>> uh we do show with this model you'll see

725
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
reducing the debt service capital

726
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,159
reserve policy in FY29

727
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,679
to 4 1.5 cent from the 5 and a half that

728
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:25,360
it is today. The story gets better um

729
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,320
with this model because you can actually

730
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,039
take on the debt instrument of 40 $14

731
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:35,360
million with no tax increase.

732
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,399
So, because of council's,

733
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,840
you know, what you've done in the past,

734
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,320
having the capital uh debt service,

735
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,159
capital reserve policy, putting money

736
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,360
aside, thinking forward, you're able to

737
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,120
take on a debt of $14 million without

738
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,039
having to have a tax increase to be able

739
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,000
to fund that.

740
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
>> All right, important question. We have

741
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,600
AAA rating from both S&P and and

742
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Moody's, right? So that means that if we

743
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,880
go to market, we should get a good rate.

744
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,279
Right now you're talking about 5%. Would

745
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,960
it benefit the town or and its residents

746
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,360
to issue a bond? Would we get a better

747
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,279
rate interest rate in terms of the

748
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,880
coupon rate we pay um on issuing a bond?

749
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,399
We'd have to get approval and so on.

750
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:22,480
It's a more lengthy process than going

751
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,960
and um going to a financial institution

752
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600
and getting that debt or do we want to

753
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,440
stay at the 5%. Because the 5% the 5%

754
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,520
rate in today is still assuming a

755
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000
20-year payback period, right?

756
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,240
>> And a bond is also a 20 year that's a

757
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
max we can go to. It's a 20-year period.

758
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,520
What would be and I I I'm looking at you

759
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,880
Alicia. What would be the your best

760
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,039
advice here in terms of how we fund this

761
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:58,320
through either installment or uh issue a

762
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360
bond seeking bond approval.

763
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,549
Sorry,

764
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,240
those are important discussions that we

765
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,909
are having by the way. What is Oh,

766
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:13,520
» so I was actually pulling up an email

767
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,840
that we got today from another financial

768
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960
advisor. Um, so bond rates are hovering

769
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,200
around 5% as well.

770
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,080
>> So I it would be half a dozen in one and

771
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,200
half dozen in the other.

772
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,320
>> Yeah.

773
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,039
>> Okay. Alicia has something another the

774
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:29,200
other

775
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:41,350
>> Alicia.

776
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,960
» Yeah.

777
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,679
>> Also, if you

778
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,320
the way it's modeled,

779
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,399
we would hope that rates would we would

780
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,080
get because we are AAA, right? You hope

781
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,720
that you get a better rate than 5%. But

782
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,320
again, we're going to model it on the

783
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,080
high end. We're going to model it at the

784
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240
what we think is the worst case scenario

785
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320
because we want to make sure that we're

786
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,720
not giving y'all information that's as

787
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,360
incorrect as we can we can possibly hope

788
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
for. Again, I won't go through

789
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,039
everything. I'll point this out very

790
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,399
quickly this time. Uh you can see in

791
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,000
FY29,

792
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,159
we're showing that dropping to four and

793
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,000
a half cent rather than the five and a

794
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,840
half cent. Remember that's that money

795
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,640
that is going over to the capital

796
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,919
reserve. You do see a few more years in

797
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:29,919
here that we're going to go into the

798
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,919
fund balance for the capital reserve to

799
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,039
fund some of those projects. Think you

800
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,640
we just said we're going to fund Indian

801
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,279
Trail Road through not having to go for

802
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,960
a debt instrument. Indian Trail Road

803
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,960
phase 2. That's how you're doing that,

804
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,159
right? You're going to go into what

805
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:45,440
you've been saving. and that's the

806
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,880
reason why you've been saving those

807
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,679
funds is to put those over to fund that

808
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,320
project. Um, you can see we stay well

809
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,080
above the target of 30%.

810
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,799
We don't go below like 36% in these two.

811
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,360
Um, I didn't point it out earlier, but

812
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,039
the value of a penny, you can see there

813
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:09,039
in column 13. Um, you can see it's it's

814
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,880
approaching a million dollars uh for for

815
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,559
one penny. Again,

816
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,799
you can see this graphically. Uh the

817
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,720
orange, the one that I'll point out is

818
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,000
the debt um looking at the debt graph at

819
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
the bottom there. That is the one that

820
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,679
starts to show that we are taking on

821
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:29,360
that debt instrument for the public

822
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,960
works facility. Uh again you can see we

823
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,880
on purpose we pulled that debt in

824
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,640
FY28

825
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880
is when we modeled it for the first

826
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:48,310
payment to be in FY29.

827
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Since this is the first one that has

828
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,519
debt in it I'll stop for a second and

829
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,200
any other questions

830
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440
>> I have a simple question. When we borrow

831
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,039
from the fund balance, how long how much

832
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,240
time do we have before we have to

833
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,389
replace that money?

834
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,960
» Yeah, I was going to say none, but

835
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,200
>> we're we're not borrowing from it. It's

836
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,040
that's what we put that money aside for.

837
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,760
So, it's it's a um an eligible use for

838
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,359
us to use fund balance whenever we're

839
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,040
doing capital projects. That's money

840
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,280
that we've put aside. So, it's our

841
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,440
money. We're just shifting it to the

842
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,359
capital project so we don't have to pay

843
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,599
it back. It's not a borrowing.

844
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,440
>> Yeah. And then other question would be

845
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,159
seeing that we are in the process of

846
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,679
getting Indian Trail Road phase one out

847
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,359
to bid. If we so choose to

848
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:42,960
include

849
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,200
uh phase two both legs

850
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,119
because we have the equipment out there.

851
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,359
Maybe it's going to be one particular

852
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:53,040
and that's kind of Todd. I'm looking at

853
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:53,520
you.

854
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,720
>> I was going to

855
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,480
>> I'm kind of looking at you Todd Huninger

856
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,720
over through the mic there. That's where my head is focused. Um,

857
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,200
could we possibly kind of get some

858
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,280
savings there? Because you you kind of

859
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,880
get what I'm asking, right?

860
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,400
>> Cuz as we're going to do that in terms

861
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,920
of one, the disruption to the residents

862
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,680
would be once, not then and then after,

863
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,880
>> but also just possibly getting some, you

864
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,720
know, savings there because it's going

865
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,200
to be one continuous strip, right,

866
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,520
versus the two sections. Yep.

867
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,280
>> So, I I don't know. not something to

868
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,599
sort.

869
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,920
>> No. So Todd and I have had plenty of

870
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,400
conversations and this is his his train

871
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,240
and he should be congratulated for

872
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,920
driving it forward. Um

873
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,200
the plan has kind of been to get phase

874
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,079
one done, get phase or get phase one bid

875
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,800
out, get it started, and then hopefully

876
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,200
right after that phase two would go out.

877
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,880
This maybe the same contractor would

878
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,320
pick it up and there would be no gap in the two.

879
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,760
>> Yeah. We're going to come to y'all at

880
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:03,430
the end of this year.

881
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680
» And I sent y'all today an email with an

882
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,270
updated timeline for phase one.

883
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,079
» Very good.

884
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,599
>> All right.

885
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,200
So now we'll look at scenario

886
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,280
three. So again, every scenario is

887
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,920
building on the one before it, right? So

888
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,160
scenario three now is all of the funded

889
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,400
and partially funded projects and we've

890
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,680
added in the community center.

891
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,359
Uh one thing that I did not say before

892
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,599
and I'll say now uh one thing that we

893
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,599
are able to do in the model as well as

894
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,599
you can see there we we are able to

895
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:41,440
model in operating expenses and actually

896
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,599
we can model

897
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:48,160
operating and revenue expenses. So when

898
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,760
you build a new facility, right, you

899
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,200
have new power, you have new water, you

900
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,400
have new all those things. We can

901
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,640
actually build that into the model. And

902
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,920
when you're looking at the community

903
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,280
center, you can actually model in the

904
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,599
potential revenue that could be

905
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,040
generated off of the facility as well.

906
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,000
Um, so in this model, because we don't

907
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,160
have any outside funding right now, we

908
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,400
don't know what that outside funding is.

909
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
I'll agree with the mayor's sentiment. I

910
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,839
hope we can get all 36 million outside

911
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,000
funded, but right now we don't have

912
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,599
that. We don't we aren't to that point

913
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,040
yet. So, we're modeling it at 36 million

914
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,160
as a bond debt again at 5% for 20 years.

915
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,400
uh we again the debt service capital

916
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,839
reserve policy uh would drop and you do

917
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,680
see there this is the first model that

918
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,480
we are showing you that would require a

919
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,200
tax increase potentially in FY31

920
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,839
um and that is to cover that those two

921
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:50,480
debts now that you have of the community

922
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,960
center and the public works facility so

923
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,440
you potentially the model is showing

924
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
debt of 47

925
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
7 million.

926
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,920
>> Why 47? Not 14 plus 36.

927
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,480
>> Is my math wrong? 14 50 million.

928
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:06,960
>> 50 million.

929
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160
Sorry. So showing 50 million

930
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,240
with a 2 cent tax increase.

931
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,240
>> And then one question on to piggyback on

932
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,839
that. That means that we still build

933
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,560
Indian Trail Road from what we have.

934
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,760
We're not borrowing for that.

935
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,480
>> We are not.

936
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,599
>> 14 million

937
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,160
>> is for the the public works facility

938
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,440
with a total cost of 21.

939
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,920
>> Correct. So we have seven in the bank

940
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,760
plus 14 in trail road which is 7 million

941
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,000
plus the 1 million that's a total of

942
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,560
eight.

943
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,200
>> Yep.

944
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,000
>> And then the 36 million because it cost

945
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,760
40 but we have four saved up.

946
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,400
>> Mhm.

947
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,160
>> Right. I just want to I'm just repeating

948
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,440
those for people to kind of follow

949
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,320
along.

950
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:46,960
>> But

951
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,599
>> and the next tax reval is in 2030.

952
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:50,240
Right.

953
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,119
>> Is in 2030. That is correct. And then

954
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,000
this 50 million is the 14 million is

955
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,240
over 20 years through just regular

956
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,160
instrument. And the bond is over 20

957
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,880
years.

958
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,079
>> It's modeled the same way.

959
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,720
>> Model the same way. So we're in 2026.

960
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,800
When do you have this? When do you when

961
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,880
did you model it out to kind of

962
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,599
>> 201? So we modeled it

963
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,000
>> we modeled it one year past the debt

964
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,920
instruments dropping off on purpose so

965
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,440
that we could show

966
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,880
>> how far out that went.

967
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,920
>> Okay.

968
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,839
>> Um actually it's modeled out

969
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:31,520
20 I think 60 is what's in the model. I

970
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,280
think the model goes all the way to60.

971
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,720
We cut it at at one year past

972
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,480
>> um when the debt would drop off.

973
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880
One thing that would be a little this is

974
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,880
really good information, right? In terms

975
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,119
of my assumption, I'll be honest, my

976
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,320
assumption was a 5 cents increase to

977
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,440
fund the um the the public the community

978
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,599
center. So, two cents is better than

979
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,400
five. The the the one thing that I'll

980
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,520
say when I look at some of these is we

981
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,160
had a list of partially we had funded,

982
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,400
partially funded, and those that were

983
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,920
unfunded.

984
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,000
If based on what you have here, and I'm

985
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,560
not asking for this now, but if you can, just send an email. Um, what

986
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,960
would remain unfunded

987
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,839
after we've done this?

988
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:20,880
>> So, you're going to see that in the next

989
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,119
one.

990
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,839
>> Oh, sorry. You see that you That's why

991
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:25,680
you're the town manager.

992
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,480
>> No, that's why I have great uh team

993
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,240
members that put this together. I just

994
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,640
stand I just stand up here that

995
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,320
question.

996
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,520
>> Go ahead. Uh so one thing I want to

997
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,119
point out modeling at

998
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,960
every $10 million of debt with our

999
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,040
evaluation at the time at 5% interest

1000
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400
over 20 years every $10 million equates

1001
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960
to about a million dollar in debt. It's

1002
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,200
actually very easy numbers. A million

1003
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,960
dollar equates to a penny. I mean

1004
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,560
because we're hitting close to that is a

1005
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,000
penny, right? So you can kind of think

1006
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,079
of it that way. So what that means is

1007
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,440
this model again because of how prudent

1008
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,920
the town has been, the council has been,

1009
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,599
and doing the things that y'all do

1010
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,440
financially,

1011
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
you're actually able to absorb a large

1012
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,880
percentage. you're able to absorb um 14

1013
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,240
million in debt for the community center

1014
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,160
and or sorry for the public works

1015
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480
facility and

1016
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,760
tw roughly 20 million give or take 18

1017
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,839
million of the community center,

1018
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,359
right? Because you're only needing to

1019
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:43,440
take two cent in in a tax increase. So

1020
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960
you're able to absorb all that because

1021
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,880
you only needed that that two cent. All

1022
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,599
right, I'll go forward. Y'all can see

1023
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,480
kind of what we see here. Um, we did set

1024
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,880
a target on this debt service capital

1025
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,480
reserve. You can kind of see it starts

1026
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640
to show up here a little bit. What that

1027
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,720
is, that target is just a cash flow

1028
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,880
thing. It's not a problem that these are

1029
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,280
showing up as red. It's just we're we're

1030
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,760
making sure that cash flow is okay in

1031
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,119
those future years.

1032
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,200
All right. You can see again those debt

1033
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,040
instruments coming on board, when they

1034
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040
come on board, how they model themselves

1035
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,309
through.

1036
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:26,319
All right, scenario five is that last

1037
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:27,839
one.

1038
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:31,200
Um, what we did for scenario five is all

1039
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,680
of your fully funded, all of your

1040
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,160
unfunded, or sorry, fully funded,

1041
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
partially funded, and unfunded

1042
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,800
with one exception. We pulled the

1043
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,680
community center back out to just give a

1044
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,520
little bit of a better idea of what it's

1045
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
going to show for that. We know what the

1046
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
community center adds now, but we pulled

1047
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,680
it out just so we could see what was

1048
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,920
here. So, this is the list of all of the

1049
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,440
projects that would be funded through

1050
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
that.

1051
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Um, public works is still in there.

1052
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,599
Again, that debt service capital reserve

1053
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:07,280
policy drops down from what it is today.

1054
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,960
And you could, we actually were able to

1055
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,079
see two different options depending on

1056
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,000
how council feels that they want to do

1057
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,800
things going forward in the future. If

1058
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,000
you run a payo model, which that means

1059
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,760
paying cash for the projects, right?

1060
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,079
You're not going to take on debt, uh, to

1061
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,160
fund those unfunded projects, which is

1062
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,400
those three listed underneath there. It

1063
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,160
shows that you would potentially need a

1064
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,880
5 cent tax increase to cover that.

1065
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680
If you run it as a transportation bond

1066
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,079
or a street bond or you know ones that

1067
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,200
we've done in the past, those same three

1068
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,319
groupings of projects would show about a

1069
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,839
penny and a half tax increase to fund

1070
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:52,079
that large grouping of sidewalk projects

1071
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,440
and those two intersection projects.

1072
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,079
The model that you actually see here is

1073
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,200
the one with the debt instrument, the

1074
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,839
transportation bond. Uh because you can

1075
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:10,390
see the 18.5 cent tax rate.

1076
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
That was a lot of information to throw

1077
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,760
at y'all. Um we've digested this for

1078
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,359
several weeks now or tried to at least.

1079
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:22,079
Um,

1080
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,119
you can see the graph is the same, but

1081
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,640
now I'll stop. I know y'all have asked

1082
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,440
questions as we've gone along, but we're

1083
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,319
here to answer any questions.

1084
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,240
I I just want everybody to realize that

1085
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,160
we're looking at scenarios and the

1086
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,119
definition of what a scenario is because

1087
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,880
I don't want to hear tomorrow we're

1088
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,520
raising taxes 5 cents or 3 cents or 2

1089
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,240
cents or or whatever because that's not what we're saying.

1090
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,480
A lot of this is um

1091
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,839
it's a scenario

1092
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:00,960
a future possibility. It's a projection

1093
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,960
into the future. We we

1094
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,119
>> and it's without any money that you know

1095
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,160
coming in and I you know for uh for a

1096
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,839
community center and I would hope that

1097
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:18,880
we'd bring in money not promising but I believe that we will you know bring in

1098
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,000
money for a community center uh like be

1099
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,640
nice to bring it all in and

1100
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,400
>> Yes sir. I know we talk a lot about the

1101
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,000
community center and we we talk a lot

1102
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,079
about uh what we want to see in the

1103
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,839
future and um I

1104
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,200
stopped last um a couple weeks ago I

1105
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,240
went to the aquatic center in in um

1106
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,880
Monroe and that's that's a community

1107
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,119
center um and I was really impressed. Uh

1108
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,760
they have 16,000

1109
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,160
uh people that that are that are

1110
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,319
members. That's a lot. That's a lot. a

1111
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,640
lot of people. I was very impressed with

1112
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,079
how nice it was. If you think about it,

1113
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,800
um we don't have a YMCA in and I don't

1114
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,480
think we do anywhere around.

1115
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,520
>> Not in Union County. No.

1116
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,640
>> As a matter of fact, I talked to

1117
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,760
somebody today that works there. They

1118
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,599
draw from South Carolina. If you think

1119
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,200
about it, they draw from uh 601 going

1120
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,800
out South Carolina way. They draw uh a

1121
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,560
lot of Indian Trail people. They draw

1122
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,560
Monroe people. They draw Marshville

1123
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,359
people. They they bring it all and they

1124
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,680
charge and and these are not exact

1125
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,520
numbers. So don't anybody say

1126
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,560
I know they they they pay $50 a month to be a part of that. And at $50 a month

1127
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920
times 16,000 people is $800,000 a year

1128
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,160
in in revenue. I'm not saying that's and

1129
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,560
it probably took years to get that uh a

1130
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,920
number of years to get it. So, um uh but

1131
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,599
those are all possibilities of things

1132
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:56,160
that you you think of and um um

1133
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,520
it's a scenario, you know. So, anyway, I

1134
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,400
just I wanted to

1135
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,839
>> No, I think that's a good point that

1136
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:03,920
again these these aren't council's not

1137
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,599
approving to do anything tonight.

1138
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:09,040
Council's not even if you approve a CIP,

1139
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,920
you're still not approving

1140
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,960
any kind of increase or decrease or

1141
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
anything. You're just saying we like the

1142
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,720
CIP. We feel like this is a good plan,

1143
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,800
strategic plan to move forward.

1144
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,160
>> You got to have a plan. That's right.

1145
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,319
You know, CRTPO, which uh you know, our

1146
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:32,560
main delegate down here is is there. And

1147
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,079
uh you know, Charlotte Regional

1148
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:35,920
Transportation Planning Organization

1149
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,119
plans roads out to what how many years?

1150
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,560
Uh 30 years. 30 years down the road, you

1151
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,640
know, and you got to have a plan, you

1152
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,160
know, and if you don't have a plan,

1153
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,680
you're So,

1154
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,599
>> and that's what we feel like we we're

1155
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:50,960
for the first time, we're able to give

1156
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,280
y'all a lot of information to help you

1157
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,680
make the best decisions you can for

1158
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,599
those plans, right? We're we're able to

1159
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,920
give y'all a lot of data that in the

1160
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,160
past you may have heard us say, "Yeah,

1161
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,760
we think we can do that. Yeah, that

1162
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
looks good. We think we can." Now, we

1163
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,280
can really show what we think is

1164
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,440
actually going to come to could come to

1165
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,200
life. Um,

1166
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,720
I was going to say something else and I

1167
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,079
forget.

1168
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:21,680
>> Any other questions for me? Um, tonight

1169
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
I welcome any questions from y'all or

1170
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,640
from anyone.

1171
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,240
>> And we can always ask questions. Oh,

1172
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,119
yeah. Later, too. So, anybody has

1173
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,119
questions, feel free to ask.

1174
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:32,880
>> If there are additional scenarios or

1175
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,160
something different that you would like

1176
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,200
to see run a sixth or seventh,

1177
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,440
>> let us know. We can run those through.

1178
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,839
Um, again, just a reminder, we are

1179
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,160
working towards adopting some kind of

1180
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,040
CIP as we move forward in the future.

1181
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,559
Um, oh, I remember what I was going to

1182
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,440
say. Later tonight, Todd's going to come

1183
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,040
up and see if y'all want to go to CRTPO

1184
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,760
for outside funding for future projects.

1185
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,200
We're always going to be looking for

1186
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,599
those options for things that are there.

1187
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:02,319
So,

1188
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:03,680
>> very good.

1189
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,280
>> Thank you all again. I appreciate

1190
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,240
everybody's help.

1191
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,920
>> Very good job. Thank you for all your

1192
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,280
hard work.

1193
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,880
All right. Now, it bring

1194
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,599
>> Thank you.

1195
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,480
>> brings us uh

1196
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,520
up to public comments. And tonight, we

1197
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,079
don't have any. So, we're going to move

1198
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,480
over to law enforcement. And tonight,

1199
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,559
we're very fortunate to have Lieutenant

1200
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,880
Norris with us tonight.

1201
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,720
Lieutenant, come on up.

1202
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,559
>> Good evening.

1203
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,040
See, I'm not Captain Mullis.

1204
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,880
Couple couple feet lower to the ground.

1205
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,559
Um, I'm Lieutenant Coin Norris,

1206
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,280
Sheriff's Office. Um, we've had a very, busy month this past July. I'll

1207
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,559
just go over a couple of things,

1208
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,319
highlights, a couple things we touched

1209
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:50,960
on. Um, first off, thank you, uh,

1210
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,280
Crystal for the heading off the adoptive

1211
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,480
cop. Y'all hooked us up. Everybody felt super special. It's a great great

1212
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,280
deal. Great deal for the office there.

1213
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Um, the uh, ABC investigation has been

1214
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,720
rocking right along. They did nine

1215
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,400
investigations this last month. It's

1216
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,000
totaled almost six and a half hours

1217
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,480
worth of worth of work on the uh keeping

1218
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,160
that in check. Everything looks good.

1219
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Any trails?

1220
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,400
>> I saw one was when one was in like

1221
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,839
wasn't settled

1222
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:21,200
>> the very first one. Maybe you can tell

1223
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:21,920
me about it later.

1224
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,319
>> Yeah, they as far as far as the

1225
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:25,839
investigation. I think they I think they

1226
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:29,359
had two that were verbally warned. It's

1227
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,040
not a big deal. Everything's under

1228
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,000
control. Um, as far as the town's

1229
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,599
concerned, everything stays on track.

1230
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:36,720
>> What they were, you can tell me later

1231
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,079
what maybe the first one was.

1232
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um,

1233
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,119
as far as traffic enforcement, over a

1234
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,520
thousand citations or that's including

1235
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,040
verbal warnings, but thousand

1236
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,960
enforcement actions taken this last

1237
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,839
month. Um, very busy on traffic. We

1238
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,119
always stay busy on traffic Indian

1239
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,280
trail. 74 is a mad house, so that

1240
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,440
doesn't slow down for us.

1241
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,160
um answered over 5,277

1242
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,680
calls last month. So, averaged out about

1243
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,079
170 calls answered per day or responded

1244
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:11,200
to. So, very very busy. Um all our

1245
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,040
violent crimes, breaking interms,

1246
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,559
aggravated assaults is all remaining

1247
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,280
very low, well under well under 2% on

1248
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,160
most of them. So, percent wide. So, very

1249
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,200
good on the stats. So, y'all have any uh

1250
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,960
specific questions? guys. I know the

1251
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,200
guys gals work real hard to

1252
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,079
>> keep everything safe. So,

1253
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,359
>> I was going to say something about adopt

1254
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:32,960
a cop at the end, but since you brought

1255
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,680
it up, I want to do just a quick shout

1256
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,079
out to Betty Prudin and to Katie Das and

1257
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,160
Bontra, the Bontara Seniors Club because

1258
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,160
they really took hold of this. I had

1259
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,160
some health issues last month and they

1260
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,760
made it possible for y'all as well. But

1261
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,200
our community, there's so many people

1262
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,440
even sitting in this room that adopted,

1263
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,800
you know, an officer. They have no idea

1264
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,400
what they're getting themselves into.

1265
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:52,640
Yeah.

1266
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,800
>> Um, but I also wanted to thank Captain

1267
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,400
Mullis and Lieutenant Evans who

1268
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,160
especially made trips there to pick up

1269
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,599
different baskets to make sure everyone

1270
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,440
was taken care of. So, thank y'all all

1271
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,520
for everything you do. Truly, we do

1272
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,800
appreciate you and the community loves

1273
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:05,200
y'all.

1274
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,800
>> No problem at all. We appreciate the

1275
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,640
support. Thank you.

1276
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,599
>> Very good. Well,

1277
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:10,559
>> y'all have a good evening.

1278
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,319
>> You too. Thank you. And and Crystal, I

1279
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:16,000
thank you too because u um you know I'm

1280
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:21,599
enjoy being part of it and it's a good feeling. It's a good feeling

1281
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,000
to to help you guys out or the best we

1282
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,839
can because of all the things you do.

1283
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:27,359
Put your life on the line for us every

1284
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:30,160
day. So, uh

1285
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,960
enjoy enjoy what enjoy those goodies.

1286
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,520
>> All right. Uh brings us to the consent

1287
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,910
agenda. Can I get a motion?

1288
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,839
» Motion to approve the consent agenda.

1289
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:45,760
>> All in favor?

1290
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,680
Unanimous.

1291
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920
All right. brings us up to the first our

1292
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,480
first public hearing. Uh by addressing

1293
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,079
council, you acknowledge you've read the

1294
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,400
town's public comment rules and will

1295
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,240
abide by them. Reszoning petition CZ

1296
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,119
202676

1297
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,640
6500 Monroe Road. Miss D. There you go.

1298
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,920
>> Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and

1299
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,400
Council. Our first public hearing of

1300
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,040
four tonight is for 6500 Old Monroe

1301
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,119
Road. This is a conditional resoning.

1302
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,319
We're looking at a reasonzoning for 1.73

1303
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:24,400
acres from SF1 to CZGBD.

1304
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,680
Um the intent is to develop a bank with

1305
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,040
uh drive-thru windows and um within this

1306
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,559
overlay district, this is within the

1307
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,000
subreional overlay. It does require uh

1308
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,800
conditional zoning for drive-throughs

1309
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,720
and your applicants are on the screen

1310
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,520
there before you with NWF acquisitions

1311
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,800
and region law.

1312
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,640
I'm going to share with you this concept

1313
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,280
plan, but just please promise me that

1314
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440
you understand this is actually more of

1315
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,160
a land use CZ. So, we are we are doing a

1316
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,680
CZ to allow the drive-thru for the bank.

1317
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,760
Um, but the applicant was willing to

1318
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,280
share kind of where they are with their

1319
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
concept plan and and so um thought we

1320
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,440
would just share this with you, but know

1321
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
that it's not tied to your approval

1322
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,069
tonight.

1323
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,079
And here is the uh photo of the property

1324
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,960
currently zoned SF1

1325
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,760
and it's uh been an abandoned structure

1326
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,119
for some time now.

1327
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,880
Take a look at the surrounding

1328
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160
commercial. Um so this is adjacent to

1329
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,720
the ABC store

1330
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:40,160
here fuel centers and then there are two

1331
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,800
commercial projects. um one here and

1332
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,119
then Sun Valley Station. If you may may

1333
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,800
remember, they've picked back up and

1334
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,119
submitted for site plan review as well.

1335
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,319
Um and then of course you have your

1336
00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:55,430
Brandon Oaks residents in the rear.

1337
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,920
Here's some uh photos of the site. This

1338
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,359
is looking southeast from Old Monroe

1339
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:05,670
Road.

1340
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,000
You see this is looking northeast with

1341
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,150
Sun Valley Commons to your left.

1342
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,000
There's another one a little bit further

1343
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,640
down. And then this is looking directly

1344
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,559
into the property. You can see the ABC

1345
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:26,390
store and our beautiful zoning sign.

1346
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,640
So existing conditions out there. Uh you

1347
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,359
do have a mix um with that SF 4 behind

1348
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:35,520
Brandon Oaks and then further down past

1349
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,400
the ABC store and Sun Valley station

1350
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
plans. uh it goes back into SF1 with

1351
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,000
kind of undeveloped property. Um but

1352
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,480
surrounding this specific parcel is all

1353
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,960
GBD

1354
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,799
future land use of course because it's

1355
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,480
in the subregional activity center

1356
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,280
overlay it does uh call this area out to

1357
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,599
be mixed use um shopping in an

1358
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,280
entertainment district. And so this

1359
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,829
furthers that

1360
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,599
this request is consistent with the

1361
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,440
comprehensive plan in the areas of

1362
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,200
economic development goal number one,

1363
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,880
land use and housing goal number one,

1364
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,559
and land use and housing goal number

1365
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,200
four.

1366
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,359
Community meetings were held on June

1367
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,680
29th. We did have three residents

1368
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,640
attend. Um the main question was really

1369
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,040
residential impacts and town mitigation.

1370
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,240
There were no actual um comments in

1371
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,799
opposition. I think the Brandon Oaks

1372
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:33,040
community kind of blasted out a notice

1373
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,040
to all residents. So, we did have some

1374
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,280
residents that once they realized how

1375
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,880
far it was from their house and that it

1376
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,960
fronted Old Monroe Road, they they

1377
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,480
didn't really have too many questions

1378
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,079
for us. Um planning board um at their

1379
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,720
July 21st, 2026 meeting did u vote for

1380
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,920
approval for this request.

1381
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680
And here are your recommended conditions

1382
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,520
for this. The first one you can kind of

1383
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,559
skip over. That's just a a standard.

1384
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,839
Hey, they still have to um adhere to all

1385
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,319
the other regulations, including um NC

1386
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:10,000
DO's regulations. The second one um is

1387
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,280
where we're going to add that use for

1388
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520
banqu with drive-through facilities. But

1389
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,960
also note that um you know, this is

1390
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,160
going to have to go through construction

1391
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,400
drawings and site plans and things could

1392
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,240
change. And so we're leaving those

1393
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,040
permitted uses by right there as well so

1394
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,400
that they'll still have those options

1395
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,400
rather than just locking them into only

1396
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,839
a bank. Um and then we've got some rear

1397
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,000
landscape buffers, a budding residential

1398
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,920
with the most significant being that we

1399
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,559
want them to connect to that wall um

1400
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,480
that provides that buffer to the Spanish

1401
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,309
moss residents.

1402
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,839
and I'll be glad to answer any questions

1403
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:50,000
you may have following public public

1404
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,240
comment and the requested action is

1405
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,480
before you. Thank you.

1406
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,480
>> Okay. So, he wants to ask questions

1407
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,799
after public com after

1408
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,079
>> I'll take your questions anytime.

1409
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,920
>> Okay. Well, I you I have some. So, all

1410
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,079
right. And I'm anxious to uh you know, I

1411
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,079
saw the brick wall there. Does that

1412
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,119
they're going to cut a hole in that

1413
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,960
wall, right? They gonna have to, right,

1414
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,000
to to

1415
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. um that that portion that

1416
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,520
is um perpendicular to Old Monroe will

1417
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
come down, but you'll have a wall um

1418
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,559
that runs parallel with those those

1419
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,400
residences on

1420
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,760
>> see that start yesterday. So, we need we

1421
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
need that wall cut down and we need that

1422
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,599
road back there. And my question to you,

1423
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:30,559
>> you want some access,

1424
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:34,799
>> huh? Yeah, a little access there. Um,

1425
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:37,920
do you, and this might be a silly

1426
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,079
question, but

1427
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,160
when do you think they'll put the road

1428
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,799
in? When, first of all, is when do you

1429
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:46,400
think they'll start? Is, is this just

1430
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,079
something that if it gets approved, it's

1431
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:49,680
going to start pretty quickly?

1432
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,680
>> Well, you've got the parcel adjacent to

1433
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,480
it that has site plan approval as of

1434
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,280
October of 2025. So, likely they'll be

1435
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,640
the first ones um to extend the road.

1436
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,480
And then this property would would come

1437
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,799
next and and bring it all the way to the

1438
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,240
property that you're interested in

1439
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,119
connecting.

1440
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:08,720
>> How long do you I'm just cur because I

1441
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,000
get asked that question all the time,

1442
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,839
especially by the ABC store. What What

1443
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:13,760
are we talking a year maybe? Or is that

1444
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,000
was that optimistic?

1445
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,000
>> Well, there's

1446
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,440
that's really outside of our control

1447
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,799
because there's other governmental

1448
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:23,200
agencies that aren't quite as efficient.

1449
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,359
Um so it it takes time. Development

1450
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:29,119
takes a long time. Um, but I would say,

1451
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,520
you know, gosh, the one property got

1452
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,000
site plan approval in 2025. Like, it

1453
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,359
wouldn't surprise me if they weren't

1454
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:36,880
asking for a pre-construction meeting

1455
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,160
any time now and start, you know, start

1456
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,480
building and constructing. Um, this

1457
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,480
property, I would say at least a year to

1458
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,559
get through all of the site plan

1459
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:47,839
approvals and such.

1460
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,920
>> Now, here's here's the million-dollar

1461
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,119
question. Can we go ahead and build a

1462
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,680
road now? Can how soon can we build that

1463
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,520
road? um back there.

1464
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,799
>> Todd says if you give him the money,

1465
00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:59,520
he'll build it today.

1466
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,510
>> Is that true, Todd?

1467
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,599
» No. So, the road's going to be funded by

1468
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,920
private development. So, we have to wait

1469
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,040
for the private development.

1470
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,160
>> I just wondered if maybe private

1471
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,520
development would want a little, you

1472
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,599
know, the AB the ABC store might

1473
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,920
contribute help contribute to that if it

1474
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,720
would speed it up. And does that make any sense? We can have

1475
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,240
those conversations, but I think it's

1476
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,319
hard for them to start investing real

1477
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:23,920
dollars until they have their permits in

1478
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,240
hand.

1479
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,079
>> I got you. I got you. Well, that makes

1480
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,040
sense. And pardon me for being a little

1481
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,799
optimistic and no

1482
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:33,520
>> excited about that, but okay. Thank you.

1483
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,040
You're welcome. Quick question.

1484
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,559
>> I have another question. Sure. Real

1485
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,359
quick. Um, I wasn't on council when the

1486
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,040
uh Sun Valley Station came through, so I

1487
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,079
know we're talking about the bank now,

1488
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:43,839
but what's going in the Sun Valley

1489
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,079
Station? Is the bowling alley? And

1490
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:47,839
>> so they've submitted for site plan

1491
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,559
approval for like a retail strip. Um

1492
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,240
don't know exactly what those tenants

1493
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,319
are. The previous tenants was like an

1494
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,040
entertainment um center that included

1495
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,839
bowling uh a gym and a a pet store. Um

1496
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:03,839
and then COVID hit and of course those

1497
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:05,839
industries especially the entertainment

1498
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:07,839
crashed. Um so it's coming back around

1499
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:11,440
now but the specific tenants aren't solidified at this time.

1500
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,000
>> Thank you.

1501
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,799
>> You're welcome.

1502
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:15,280
>> Okay. Well, at this time, uh, I would

1503
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,079
like to, um, open in someone make a

1504
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,400
motion to open and close public, uh,

1505
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:20,960
comments.

1506
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,079
>> Are you looking to me? I'll make a

1507
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,319
motion to open public comments. Sorry.

1508
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:25,440
Anybody sign up to speak?

1509
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,559
>> No. Open and close.

1510
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,880
>> I'll make a motion to open and close

1511
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,920
public comments for

1512
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,670
uh, CZ2026-0076500

1513
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,520
Old Monroe Road.

1514
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,040
>> Right. Okay. All in favor?

1515
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:53,349
>> Can I ask a question? unanimous

1516
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:56,160
» I wanted to ask some questions.

1517
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,400
>> Well, you you first of all, you would

1518
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,920
have needed to sign up, but you didn't.

1519
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,079
But that's okay. I um I'll give you

1520
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,319
permission uh to come up and Did you

1521
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,480
want to speak in public comments?

1522
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,559
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait one second. If we

1523
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,559
open it and you I'll just close it. We

1524
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:11,040
can't really

1525
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,200
>> Well, we did. We did we didn't do we

1526
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,280
actually didn't vote on it correctly or

1527
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,000
I mean we just did okay we voted on on

1528
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,680
>> I just want to follow proper procedure

1529
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,520
>> I would just you need to make a motion

1530
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,640
just to open public

1531
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,400
>> yeah let let me let me do that that way

1532
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,240
>> okay let's back up okay did you want to

1533
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,829
come up and speak

1534
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:34,160
» do do you want to come up and speak

1535
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,079
>> all right before you do before you do

1536
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,480
let me just make the motion All right

1537
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,599
I'll make a motion to open Public

1538
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,559
comments for

1539
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:50,150
CZ 2026-0076

1540
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,520
6500 Old Monroe Road. May I explain to

1541
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,520
him the procedure, the time, and so on

1542
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,079
and so forth.

1543
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:58,079
>> All right. Go ahead. Can I Okay. All in

1544
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,640
favor? Unanimous. Now come up. You can

1545
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,000
speak

1546
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,160
>> if you just say your name and your

1547
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:04,720
address.

1548
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,240
>> And you have three minutes to speak.

1549
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,240
Okay. There's a little buzzer that'll go

1550
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:08,640
off.

1551
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,559
>> Okay. Um,

1552
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,280
so, um, I live at 1010 Spanish Moss

1553
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,160
Road. Uh, my name is Chase Anderson.

1554
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,359
This is my first home and first time

1555
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,920
attending these, so uh, forgive me for

1556
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,520
any misunderstanding, but um, I wanted

1557
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,920
to know that if there's going to be a

1558
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,880
wall built behind between my house and

1559
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,079
the bank,

1560
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,160
>> do you know how close that wall will be

1561
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,720
to my house?

1562
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,920
Um, we could we can take a look at it

1563
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,200
and do some measurements for you. Um, I

1564
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,200
do have my card here for you like to

1565
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,920
meet to discuss specifically.

1566
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:54,950
>> Um, let's look at

1567
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,160
your

1568
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,160
>> Randy. Sorry. The some of the res some

1569
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,119
of the people said that they couldn't

1570
01:03:59,119 --> 01:03:59,599
hear. Yeah.

1571
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,920
>> I'm assuming you're somewhere in here.

1572
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,720
>> Yeah.

1573
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,880
So, they will be um it'll be on

1574
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,440
the wall will be constructed on this

1575
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,280
property. So, there will be some

1576
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,960
distance obviously with your backyard,

1577
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,119
but we can sit down with you and and

1578
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:16,880
show you the plans and and kind of give

1579
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,559
you some measurements oneonone if you'd

1580
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:18,960
like.

1581
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,000
>> Okay.

1582
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,160
Um, yeah. My other concern is just like

1583
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,400
how high the wall is to have privacy in

1584
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,119
case the drive-thru like the customers

1585
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,240
are kind of looking into my backyard.

1586
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,230
And um,

1587
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,119
another concern I had is the my backyard

1588
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,079
kind of slopes down low and if there's

1589
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,000
heavy rainfall and there's a wall, I

1590
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,280
don't know if that would cause some kind

1591
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,799
of flooding. So that was why I was

1592
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:48,079
wondering like how close the um wall

1593
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,839
will be to my house.

1594
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:51,839
>> Gotcha. So if you'll take a look at the

1595
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,440
site plan, you can kind of see that

1596
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,880
there's some some distance here between

1597
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,200
the bank operations and your property.

1598
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,119
There's going to be like a natural

1599
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:02,960
buffer area, but then you'll have the

1600
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,920
wall. Um the wall will match and be the

1601
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,280
same height, same materials and

1602
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,440
everything of the existing wall with the

1603
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,960
hair fuels center. Um and then as far as

1604
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,799
storm water, so they will be required to

1605
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:17,839
submit calculations to show um that they

1606
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:20,319
will not be diverting any water onto any

1607
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:23,520
other property. Um and that's through um

1608
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,400
you know engineered plans showing with

1609
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,000
exact calculations how they're going to

1610
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,680
account for the water.

1611
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:30,160
>> Okay.

1612
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,960
>> Yep.

1613
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,960
>> Uh thanks. That was that was all that I

1614
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,440
had. So I appreciate me.

1615
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,480
>> Don't worry about it. You didn't know

1616
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,160
the procedure. That's what we're here

1617
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,319
for. We're here to answer your questions

1618
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:44,799
and uh hopefully you got got them

1619
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:48,240
answered and then you got Brandy knows

1620
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,640
he's a good one to talk to. So,

1621
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,039
>> okay,

1622
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:52,559
>> Clarence Clarence has something. So,

1623
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,240
>> I'm going to add something real quick to

1624
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,599
Mr. Chase. Um Mr. Anderson, they went

1625
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:00,160
into this in more detail in the planning

1626
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,079
board meeting. So, I you know recommend

1627
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:03,200
you go back and look at the planning

1628
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,039
board meeting. It talks about that the

1629
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,200
concerns of lights coming into the homes

1630
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,880
and the walls the size and you actually

1631
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,480
have a planning board member here

1632
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,119
Richard Ser. So um I would encourage

1633
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,000
that and I'd like to if we don't have

1634
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,160
any other uh speakers I'll go ahead and

1635
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,240
make a motion to close public hearing.

1636
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,559
>> Okay. All in favor?

1637
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:26,160
Unanimous. Very good.

1638
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,839
Okay.

1639
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:30,079
We have no more council deliberation.

1640
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,520
>> I have a question for Brandy, sir.

1641
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,520
>> Okay. Brandy. Uh, Miss Brandy, you

1642
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,920
mentioned that it's a bank going there.

1643
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,160
Which bank?

1644
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,079
>> Uh, the applicant is here tonight, and

1645
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,160
if he would like to divulge that, I will

1646
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,200
let him do so.

1647
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,000
>> Oh, my my my approval or not hinges on

1648
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:52,069
the name of the bank.

1649
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,000
» For they're pointing to each other. I

1650
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,839
think they're trying to flip a coin.

1651
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,000
>> For full and fair disclosure, I work for

1652
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,520
a bank.

1653
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,870
>> Which bank?

1654
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,559
Exactly. That's why I'm asking you.

1655
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,799
>> No. Okay. Sorry. I'm not getting any

1656
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,000
answers from the back.

1657
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,440
>> You need to because the thing is I need

1658
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,200
to know if I if I should abstain or not.

1659
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,000
>> We can talk later.

1660
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,000
>> Yeah.

1661
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,559
>> Okay. So, okay. Now I know why you were

1662
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:24,880
asking the question. So, um Okay. So,

1663
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,190
can now can I get a motion?

1664
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,200
» Yes, you can.

1665
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,760
All right. I'd like to make a motion to

1666
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,960
approve ordinance 43, number 431,

1667
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,000
pertaining to petition CZ 2026-0076

1668
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,119
as presented.

1669
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,520
>> All in favor?

1670
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:46,880
>> Unanimous. Marcus, you can raise your

1671
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,119
hand all the way up. Halfway up

1672
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:50,880
anything. Go ahead.

1673
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,559
like to make a motion to adopt the

1674
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,559
statement of consistency findings for

1675
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:58,549
CZ2026-000076

1676
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:01,039
as read into the record by staff.

1677
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:04,400
>> All in favor? Unanimous and unanimous

1678
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,799
both ways. So, thank you, Brandy.

1679
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:07,280
>> Welcome.

1680
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,640
>> You go on. Go. You want to do the next

1681
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:11,359
one for me?

1682
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:13,760
>> Yes, absolutely. Our second one for the

1683
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,480
night is um zoning text amendment

1684
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,400
20260084.

1685
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,159
This is Indian Trail Fairview Road

1686
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:22,560
corridor signage and we're looking at um

1687
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,709
amending the code

1688
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:28,560
and specifically we're looking to

1689
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,560
establish standards for signage for

1690
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,480
multi-tenant properties along Indian

1691
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,120
Fair View Road based upon the size of

1692
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,000
the property. Um and we've got two

1693
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,600
applicants who have requested this

1694
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,520
Premier Eye Care and the Church at

1695
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,430
Indian Trail.

1696
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,920
So, two signage requests actually came

1697
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,359
in the same week for

1698
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,040
essentially almost the same exact

1699
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,920
height. Um, it exceeded well exceeded

1700
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,759
the height requirements. And so when we

1701
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:01,120
started researching um we found out that

1702
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,159
the light industrial park um that is

1703
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:06,000
going to be coming across from the

1704
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,880
Church of Indian Trail already included

1705
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,440
that in their CZ. So, you've got one 15

1706
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,359
foot tall sign, you've got someone

1707
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,359
requesting a 14 foot tall sign, and

1708
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,279
you've got someone requesting a 15 foot

1709
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,400
tall sign. And then you think about what

1710
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,480
else is going on in that corridor. We

1711
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,759
can see 74 junction asking, maybe even

1712
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:28,000
our own public works facility. There's

1713
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,839
other light industrial folks that we're

1714
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:31,600
working with further down, Stinson

1715
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,839
hardest. Um, so we really started to

1716
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:35,440
realize that, okay, maybe this corridor

1717
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:36,960
is changing a lot faster than we

1718
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,000
realized. And um so we are putting forth

1719
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,799
that amendment tonight. Here's some of

1720
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:47,120
just the example of businesses. Um it

1721
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,960
was before my time so I don't know how

1722
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,560
it happened but Extreme Ice actually

1723
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,480
already has you know a pretty fairly

1724
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,360
tall sign. Um and then Indian Trail

1725
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,600
Corporate Park um is now Oak

1726
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Trail Crossing. They've changed their

1727
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,440
name. Um that's the light industrial

1728
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:06,159
that that got the 15 foot tall sign. So

1729
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,400
we we really are changing the face of

1730
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,080
this corridor to no longer being

1731
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,120
residential at all.

1732
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,320
Um but the the amendment will establish

1733
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,280
standards um based upon the size of the

1734
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,120
property. It will improve visibility and

1735
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,600
wayfinding for businesses and um

1736
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:28,320
establish consistent signage standards.

1737
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,480
And so here's the revisions that we are

1738
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,120
looking at. Um there's strike through

1739
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,960
and underline in red. That's what's

1740
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,920
going away. And then the blue underline

1741
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,400
is the new um so we already have a

1742
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,800
specialized section for Highway 74 and

1743
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,800
um and Old Monroe Road and we decided

1744
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,960
that was the best place to add this in.

1745
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,800
Um so we're just adding in Indian Trail

1746
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,560
Fair View to that section and then we're

1747
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,560
adding it into the chart. So, what we've

1748
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,080
done is we've um we've increased the

1749
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,440
square footage and the height of the

1750
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:02,000
sign based on how the size of the

1751
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,400
property and this complies with the

1752
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,840
requests that we've had from both

1753
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,950
applicants.

1754
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,719
Your consistency findings for this

1755
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:13,520
request is that um it is reasonable and

1756
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,040
in the public interest as it promotes

1757
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,880
the goals of the comprehensive plan and

1758
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960
economic development goal number two and

1759
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,040
quality of life goal number one.

1760
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,640
and I'll be glad to answer any questions

1761
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,800
you may have. Thank you,

1762
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,760
>> Marcus.

1763
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,960
>> Um, you mentioned that um there was

1764
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,640
there were three possible I care at

1765
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,159
Indian Trail and the the land being

1766
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,080
cleared there by whatever industrial

1767
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,120
park

1768
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,320
>> um they included it in theirs. What is

1769
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,040
what are what what is the what what's

1770
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,560
going to be the height of this each of

1771
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,800
these sites? Would it all be 15?

1772
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:51,520
>> 15. Yes.

1773
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,760
>> 15. So the 14 would basically have to

1774
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,600
come out to 15.

1775
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,520
>> Yeah. Uh no. Well, they could they could

1776
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,199
do less. It's just a max.

1777
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:00,159
>> No more than 15,

1778
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:01,360
>> right? And you'll see if you'll see on

1779
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,480
the chart like the tallest even, you

1780
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:05,920
know, even if you've got more than seven

1781
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,480
acres, the tallest is 15.

1782
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,400
>> Okay. All right.

1783
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,120
>> You good?

1784
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,480
>> I'm good. Thank you.

1785
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,199
>> Okay. All right. So, we have no one

1786
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,080
speaking for um public hearing. Can I

1787
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,600
get somebody to make a motion to open

1788
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,840
and close public hearing? Motion to open

1789
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,199
and close public hearing.

1790
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:26,640
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

1791
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,920
Okay, that uh brings us to Can I get a

1792
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,400
motion? Uh a motion to uh

1793
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:34,960
>> Yes.

1794
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,480
>> approve or go ahead.

1795
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,320
>> I'll make a motion to approve ordinance

1796
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,440
number 432 pertaining to petition ZT

1797
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,600
2026-0084

1798
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:44,719
as presented.

1799
01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:47,760
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

1800
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,840
And I would like to make the motion to

1801
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,440
adopt the statement of consistency

1802
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,880
findings for ZT2026-000084

1803
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,120
as read into the record by staff.

1804
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,800
>> All in favor?

1805
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,480
>> Unanimous.

1806
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,480
Okay, Brandy, you're up again.

1807
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,239
>> All right, moving right along. Our third

1808
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:05,920
is another zoning text amendment

1809
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,400
20260085.

1810
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,199
This one is to remove the school impact

1811
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,920
study.

1812
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,520
So, we're looking at removing the

1813
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,159
requirement for a residential applicant

1814
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,480
to provide a school impact study. Um,

1815
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,400
that might sound crazy, but just hang in

1816
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,560
there with me. Um, we really do feel

1817
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,320
like that the changes will better serve

1818
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,000
the residents and the applicants

1819
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,320
overall. Um, and this is something that

1820
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,400
the planning department's putting forth

1821
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,239
as we've seen it be an issue. So, um,

1822
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:38,640
currently in the code now, if you are

1823
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,159
proposing 50 or more lots of residential

1824
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:43,760
development, you're required to pro

1825
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,719
provide a student impact study. Um, and

1826
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,800
it was supposed to help provide a a

1827
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,040
student yield, like projecting how many

1828
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,679
students this development would bring.

1829
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:57,520
Um, we have recently found that there is

1830
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,280
no one any longer doing these

1831
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,800
projections. these projections were kind

1832
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,360
of all over the place. Um they weren't really consistent. They were

1833
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,880
greatly contested. Um and so it just

1834
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,280
ended up not being very informative. Um

1835
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,520
we pulled the list serve for all the

1836
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,760
planners in the state and did not get

1837
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,960
one single person who um has it the way

1838
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,040
we have it that requires a student

1839
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,920
impact study. Um which made sense why we

1840
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,800
can't find anybody to do one. So, um,

1841
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,280
most communities

1842
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,840
require the reporting coming straight

1843
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,440
from the public school system. And so,

1844
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,640
they have folks um that really know what

1845
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,159
they're doing over there and they model

1846
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,840
this for the school system's own um

1847
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,400
needs as well and then they can just

1848
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,040
provide us with it as we have resonings.

1849
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,480
And so this has been something that

1850
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,360
we've been receiving from the county in

1851
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,480
addition to the the school impact study.

1852
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:01,440
Um but they they do provide the relevant

1853
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,960
um input to us that talks about um the

1854
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,000
actuals in the attendance areas, the

1855
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,120
school's rated capacity, um the total

1856
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,360
existing residential units contributing

1857
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,040
to the attendance area, and then they

1858
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,960
add any other comments that they feel

1859
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,199
may be appropriate for for the request.

1860
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,080
So, what we're looking at doing is um

1861
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,320
under the section where it says

1862
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,320
application procedures, we're not going

1863
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,080
to require the school impact study as a

1864
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,320
um as a requirement for the applicant,

1865
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,320
but instead we're going to be looking

1866
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,640
under a new section in staff reviews

1867
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,480
where that burden will be placed on

1868
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,719
staff when they receive a reasonzoning

1869
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:46,640
to reach out to the county to get this

1870
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,960
information so that then the community

1871
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,800
planning board and town council can take

1872
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,400
that into consideration rather than

1873
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,600
taking projections, you know, that that

1874
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,440
are kind of all over the place depending

1875
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:01,199
on who does the study.

1876
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,520
And again, this is where the new section

1877
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,920
will come in um under the subdivision

1878
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,640
regulations and the previous one will go

1879
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,719
away.

1880
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:12,560
So our consistency findings for this

1881
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,280
issue is this is a reasonable request

1882
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,719
and in the public interest because it

1883
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:18,480
promotes the goals of the comprehensive

1884
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:20,400
plan in the areas of community

1885
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,320
engagement goal number one and economic

1886
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,040
development goal number two.

1887
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,640
And I'll be glad to answer any questions

1888
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,520
you may have. Thank you.

1889
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,320
>> Clarence, I'll make it quick since we're

1890
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,040
talking about um impact studies. We have

1891
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,640
a lot of citizens here. Now would be a

1892
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,960
good time. um you always hear why don't

1893
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,840
we make um developers pay for

1894
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,760
improvements to our school with impact

1895
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,520
fees. So why is that something that we

1896
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,400
don't do?

1897
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,719
>> Right? So if you look at your tax bill

1898
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,480
um it breaks it down. You can see that

1899
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,440
the tax structure um there is designated

1900
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,679
funds that go to the school system. The

1901
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:58,400
model is set up that as you have growth

1902
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,719
ideally it should pay for the you know

1903
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:04,480
the needs of folks coming in. Um, and so

1904
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:08,000
as a town when it comes to reszonings,

1905
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,920
um, you know, things that are not

1906
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,600
legally under our control, we have to be

1907
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,520
careful about making decisions based on

1908
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,360
that. And schools is one of those,

1909
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,760
right? Because we don't, um, we don't

1910
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,199
have schools. We don't have a school

1911
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:20,719
system that we operate.

1912
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:22,320
>> And impact fees are illegal in North

1913
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:22,800
Carolina.

1914
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,480
>> Correct. Correct. You do have system

1915
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,640
development fees with water and sewer,

1916
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,880
which could kind of be considered the

1917
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,960
same thing, but actual impact fees are

1918
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,280
illegal. Um, let me just ask a follow-up

1919
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,480
question to that. I know you're going to

1920
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:36,320
ask, but I'm going to ask for your

1921
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,199
opinion here. Um, seeing that we're

1922
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,400
going to sort of ask the county for that

1923
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,440
information. This schools,

1924
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,679
um, water and sewer do not fall under

1925
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:52,560
our purview, right? So why why would we

1926
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,880
include that as a means of sort of maybe

1927
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,120
that could influence our decision one

1928
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,960
way or another when we're making this

1929
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,440
when we are deciding things like I I

1930
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,000
just think legally doesn't that expose

1931
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,239
us it becomes a slippery slope. I'm very

1932
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,560
cons I'm I'm curious about your answer

1933
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,320
but that that's sort of where I look at

1934
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,640
it because we do not control anything

1935
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,440
dealing with the schools. um we do not

1936
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,600
control anything water and sewer and

1937
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,360
we're removing it because it's not

1938
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,120
consistent as to what other

1939
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,760
municipalities or other plan um towns

1940
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,560
are doing. But how do we how do we

1941
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,719
really is should that something be part

1942
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:33,040
of should we even consider that? Should

1943
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,719
it be included?

1944
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:37,520
>> I mean I think it's okay to consider it

1945
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,480
whether you consider or not residents

1946
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,320
are going to come forward and complain

1947
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:48,390
right the schools are too crowded. Um,

1948
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,960
with legislative reasoning, you have a

1949
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,199
lot of um, discretion. So, as long as

1950
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,679
you're not denying it for an illegal

1951
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:00,239
reason, pretty much the courts are going

1952
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:01,760
to end up on our side.

1953
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,880
>> Yeah. Um, but if the focus of the

1954
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,520
conversation is only about schools and

1955
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,920
not about roads and traffic and property

1956
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,840
values and all the other reasons why,

1957
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,679
you know, people complain about new

1958
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:16,080
developments. I mean, potentially it

1959
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,440
could be a problem.

1960
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,880
>> Yes. I I I would never want that to be

1961
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,040
the focus of the conversation or the

1962
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,960
reason for your denial,

1963
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,840
>> but it's part of the decision tree now

1964
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,520
because it's included in there, even if

1965
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,239
it's not implicit or exor.

1966
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:34,080
>> I mean, I would be fine if if it was

1967
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,040
completely out.

1968
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,360
>> Yeah, I I think we would as well. Now,

1969
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:38,880
politically, it might be a little harder

1970
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,040
that it's not touched on in some way. I

1971
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,719
I'm just thinking of it from a decision

1972
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:45,679
tree standpoint, but anyway, I just ask.

1973
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:48,080
>> I did want to touch on um Clarence's

1974
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,280
question. Years ago, the county actually

1975
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,920
um hired attorneys from I don't know if

1976
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,000
it was Kentucky or somewhere who had

1977
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,560
been very successful around the country

1978
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,560
in litigating the impact fees. And that

1979
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,320
case went, you know, all through the

1980
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,320
court of appeals. And the courts in

1981
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,000
North Carolina have been very, very

1982
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,400
clear that it is illegal. you cannot do

1983
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,920
anything that could be defined as some

1984
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,000
sort of impact fee. And the same thing

1985
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,560
with with um reasonzoning, you know, if

1986
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,000
we allow it and say, "Oh, but if you, know, pay this much for the

1987
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,120
schools," then that's going to be

1988
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,880
overturned. If if there's going to looks

1989
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,320
like there's something we're trying to

1990
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,040
do to buffer the impact with the schools

1991
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,080
that they could interpret as a fee, then

1992
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,280
that's going to be stricken.

1993
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:36,159
>> Yeah.

1994
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:38,080
Is is there a desire to strike it all

1995
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,600
together?

1996
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,679
>> That would be my recommendation, but the

1997
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,920
attorney will advise us on that.

1998
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,800
>> I mean, I think that's the safest route.

1999
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,800
>> Yeah, I'd like to I I don't I would

2000
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,400
prefer we do not include it because

2001
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,080
>> and don't get the information from the

2002
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,120
county at all.

2003
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:56,719
>> Things if you give it then it becomes

2004
01:20:56,719 --> 01:20:58,480
part of the decision tree. It's it's

2005
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,640
really to protect the planning board and

2006
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,960
the council where that's not part of the

2007
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,560
decision. Now, somebody in their own

2008
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,199
mind can make up you can decide however

2009
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:10,080
they want. But if I list it, then it's

2010
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,440
like I have the ingredients and I'm

2011
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,520
going to make this, right? I'm going to

2012
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,280
make brown bread, but I'm only using

2013
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:16,719
white flour. I'm not making brown bread.

2014
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,800
I'm making white white bread, right? But

2015
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,719
if I include the brown flour, then I am

2016
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:21,920
making that. You get what I'm saying?

2017
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,920
It's like I think it's it would be

2018
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,280
better to leave out because it it

2019
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,440
doesn't factor into into decision and it

2020
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:29,679
shouldn't and therefore it limits us. it

2021
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:32,640
legally it it protects the town, the

2022
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,280
residents and the planning board and

2023
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,280
everybody else.

2024
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,199
I mean

2025
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:42,239
that would be I speak for myself one of

2026
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:43,280
many

2027
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,159
>> but that would be

2028
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:45,840
>> I think as long as you understand like

2029
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,679
the school board may frown on that

2030
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,440
somewhat, right? Like we're not even we

2031
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:50,480
don't even care. We're just

2032
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,280
>> but we but it but it's not part of our

2033
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,440
decision and it it shouldn't be and it

2034
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:56,639
cannot be,

2035
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,040
>> right?

2036
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,110
I mean

2037
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,920
» a question if if how how do we do it? I

2038
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,679
know how we do it now but what what is

2039
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:10,159
the actual process of of when you do it?

2040
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:13,280
What what what how what is the school

2041
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,080
impact? Does that make sense? What what

2042
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,840
are we doing to

2043
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,040
>> get that information?

2044
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,520
>> Yeah. So the last one we did was over

2045
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,639
five years ago and there was one

2046
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:26,400
consultant at the time that did the

2047
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,800
work. Um but basically the developer

2048
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,920
pays this third party consultant to do a

2049
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,880
report to basically do some projections

2050
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,920
to say how many kids are going to do you

2051
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,199
know are going to be going into um Sun

2052
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:43,840
Valley High in Trail Elementary you know

2053
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,400
all the whatever whatever cluster it

2054
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,080
might be um they're projecting what what

2055
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,800
that development will bring um and you

2056
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,719
know if you think about it you yeah

2057
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:56,239
there's some difference in apartments

2058
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:59,040
and town homes and single family, but it

2059
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,199
it's really kind of a guessing game,

2060
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:04,159
honestly. Um, but that report would be

2061
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,400
included in in the planning board agenda

2062
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,800
packets and town council packets. Um,

2063
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,639
and and discussed as part of

2064
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,880
>> Do you find that because it was done by

2065
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,199
the developer that it it probably leaned

2066
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:19,199
towards

2067
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:22,159
positive things to say to you would

2068
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:24,159
think so, would you? Or would you not?

2069
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:25,040
the professional.

2070
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,280
>> I I I think you are asking an obvious

2071
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,040
question. Yes, I think it would.

2072
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,600
>> The professional we worked with um since

2073
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,320
I've been in Indian Trail, she actually

2074
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,719
had some pretty uh pretty contentious

2075
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:40,239
conversations with developers because

2076
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,400
she was not willing to do that. But I

2077
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,080
certainly think that there probably were

2078
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,040
some consultants that would lean very

2079
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:47,679
conservative.

2080
01:23:47,679 --> 01:23:50,800
>> This a tough uh thing.

2081
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,159
I'm almost thinking what'd you bring it

2082
01:23:52,159 --> 01:24:00,080
up for? I'm I'm kidding. Um but um yeah,

2083
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,639
any other questions? What What are your

2084
01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:04,320
thoughts, Clarence and Crystal, in terms

2085
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,040
of I mean, we're going to we're going to

2086
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,040
remove that requirement. What about

2087
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,719
having that included? What are your

2088
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:15,270
thoughts?

2089
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,840
I mean, I agree that if we don't have

2090
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,800
it, there's, you know, nobody can see

2091
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,320
that it makes sense because we can't

2092
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,000
judge it. But then I don't know how the

2093
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,360
school board would look upon it. I guess

2094
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,760
they see that us asking for that

2095
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,560
information. Looks like we can do

2096
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:31,760
something with it, but I'm sure they

2097
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,120
know we can't. So,

2098
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,000
>> exactly.

2099
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,719
>> I mean, I'm fine with removing it

2100
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:38,239
because really and truly it does

2101
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,159
eliminate any question of if we

2102
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:43,750
considered that

2103
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:44,639
Clarence,

2104
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:49,679
>> thank you for asking. Um, I I see I see

2105
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:51,920
your point. Um, I think it's a good

2106
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:57,920
point that it can have a uh negative it

2107
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,159
could have a negative impact. Also, the

2108
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:03,280
fact that um

2109
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,000
we even have to have this discussion. We

2110
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,760
haven't really had any developers come

2111
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,400
to us and ask for any projects or

2112
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,040
housing projects and it's hard to find

2113
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,880
somebody anyways which slows down that

2114
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,480
process. But I really um I don't think

2115
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:24,480
it will be a

2116
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,800
negative move for us as far as the

2117
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:27,920
school board is concerned.

2118
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,679
>> I don't think so. Um then sorry I

2119
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:33,760
appreciate you you guys may I'm just

2120
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,520
asking a couple questions. Melanie, if

2121
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,840
we were to move on with this um here, um

2122
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,679
how would you how would you recommend we

2123
01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,199
approach it? I'd like to make a motion,

2124
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:45,360
right? And what I'd like to do is to

2125
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,400
kind of give the planning board the no,

2126
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,480
sorry, the planning director and her

2127
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,400
staff sort of the instructions. How do

2128
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,400
we do that?

2129
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,080
>> If it's changed, it would have to go

2130
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,920
back to planning board, right? We can't

2131
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,760
vote on it removing it alto together

2132
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,199
because that's not what planning board

2133
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:03,440
considered and recommended. So we'd have

2134
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:06,320
to go through the process already. Would

2135
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,679
it be beneficial to approve it as is so

2136
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:11,440
at least we have something so in the

2137
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,280
event a developer comes forward, we

2138
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,639
don't have to tell them, hey, you have

2139
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:16,400
to do the school study and there's no

2140
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,480
one that can do it. Um

2141
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:19,040
>> yes,

2142
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:22,000
>> I I got you. I I follow. But I do think

2143
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,440
um I was looking through my emails to

2144
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:26,400
look for it, but um leaning

2145
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,360
on the I don't want to say it's illegal,

2146
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:30,960
but the court could find it's arbitrary

2147
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,040
and capriccious for us to turn down a

2148
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,800
development because of the school study.

2149
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,320
That was the language I was looking for.

2150
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,440
>> All right. So, mayor, I've answered I've

2151
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,199
questions have been answered. If you

2152
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,719
want, I can make a motion or if you have

2153
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:45,600
anything else.

2154
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,199
>> No, I I do. It's a very difficult um I

2155
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:51,679
kind of put my two cents in. It's it's a

2156
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:53,760
difficult decision to make.

2157
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,440
>> Uh because it's also a political

2158
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:56,000
decision.

2159
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,120
>> Yeah.

2160
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,840
>> It's a um

2161
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,520
look, you don't want to look at it

2162
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:02,960
politically because I don't believe it

2163
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,040
is a political, but other people may

2164
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,560
turn it into a political uh uh situation

2165
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,920
that you don't care. Uh that that and

2166
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,400
that doesn't I don't I really don't see

2167
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:15,920
it that way. I don't I don't see it that

2168
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,520
we don't care. I I see it that we're

2169
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,880
doing the right thing to do if because

2170
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,199
of what you want to do, but uh it would

2171
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:24,719
have been easy for me just not to say

2172
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,400
anything, be honest with you, and let

2173
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,920
you guys do it. So, go go ahead and I I

2174
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,639
kind of would like to see it. Um

2175
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,719
>> I want you to protect yourselves, too.

2176
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:37,040
So, I don't want you So, it's it's up to

2177
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:40,159
you guys. So it we're politicians and

2178
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,480
sometimes some things may be political.

2179
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:47,920
But that being said, sir, um Miss D, you and your staff would look into sort

2180
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,920
of the advancement of that in terms of

2181
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,199
removing it at some point.

2182
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:53,840
>> Yes, I I do agree um with Miss Cox, it

2183
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,320
would be great because this did just

2184
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,159
come up. So we didn't we're not just

2185
01:27:58,159 --> 01:27:59,679
combing the code and trying to create

2186
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:02,159
funds things for y'all. So if we had if

2187
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:05,440
we got the school impact study removed

2188
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:07,199
then our next planning board meeting we

2189
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:10,400
can propose an amendment to to wosing.

2190
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,800
>> You go along that way and then I'll make

2191
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,600
a motion to open and close.

2192
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,360
>> Oh, sorry.

2193
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,320
>> Anybody signed up?

2194
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,920
>> No. Can I No, you can.

2195
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,920
>> I I'll make a motion to open and close

2196
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,120
public comments.

2197
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,320
>> All in favor?

2198
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:24,719
>> Yeah.

2199
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:25,840
>> Unanimous.

2200
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,080
>> Sorry, mayor. I was jumping ahead there.

2201
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,480
Um, and I'll make a motion to approve

2202
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,520
ordinance number 433

2203
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,520
pertaining to petition ZT2026-

2204
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,520
080085

2205
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,639
as presented.

2206
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,080
>> All in favor?

2207
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:42,719
>> Unanimous.

2208
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:45,120
>> I'll make a second motion to adopt the

2209
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,040
statement of consistency findings for

2210
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,790
ZT2026-0085

2211
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,639
as read into the record by staff.

2212
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:56,080
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2213
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,840
Okay.

2214
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,159
All right, last one for the night is CZ

2215
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:02,480
202260086

2216
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,480
Hanfield Vet Clinic. This is a

2217
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,639
conditional resoning modification from

2218
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:10,719
the original CZ 2014003M.

2219
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:12,960
Um that M says that we've already

2220
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,000
modified it. Um we don't do two M's, so

2221
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:20,320
we're going with a new case number. Um

2222
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,440
so we are looking to add a land use uh

2223
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:28,239
for a veterinarian clinic and office. um

2224
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:31,679
without outdoor animal areas. Um and

2225
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,679
this is in the Hanfield Village Shopping

2226
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,679
Center. No new structures are planned.

2227
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:38,400
This is within an existing structure. Um

2228
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:42,159
and the original Hanfield Village uh CZ

2229
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,400
did not allow it. It excluded uh

2230
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,760
veterinarian services as um a prohibited

2231
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,520
use.

2232
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:50,800
So just a little bit about the

2233
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,480
conditional zoning. This is obviously

2234
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,320
the public shopping center. It was

2235
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,880
approved in 2015

2236
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,360
and amended in 2024 to allow

2237
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,280
drive-through facilities and a cigar

2238
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,199
shop on Wesley Chapel Stouts Road. You

2239
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,159
may remember that. Um, and this

2240
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:08,320
petition, just like the previous

2241
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,800
modification, doesn't change any of the

2242
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,719
original approvals. We're just changing

2243
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:15,520
the specific use for vet. Everything

2244
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,719
else remains in place. Um and again

2245
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:21,199
property conditions uh currently it's

2246
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:23,280
within that Sun Valley Activity Center

2247
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,280
overlay that we talked about on um the

2248
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,560
first public hearing for tonight. It's

2249
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,440
zone CZGBD which is general business

2250
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:33,840
district. And then obviously you've got

2251
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,480
um the Publix and all of the the

2252
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:38,159
tenants, the restaurants and personal

2253
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:42,239
services in that shopping center.

2254
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,159
surrounding conditions. It's adjacent to

2255
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:47,360
other shopping as well as the um Sun

2256
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,600
Valley High School and then there are

2257
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,550
some nearby residential subdivisions.

2258
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,320
This is the building. So, previously

2259
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,840
where um the joint chiropractic was and

2260
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:04,159
located behind the um copper t uh tap

2261
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:09,669
and table club Pilates Geico

2262
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:11,840
and then your existing zoning

2263
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,360
conditions. So, you can see that Sun

2264
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,440
Valley Commons is GBD. You've got the

2265
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:17,840
Hanfield Village that's GBD and then you

2266
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,960
do have some um SF1 surrounding it as

2267
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,880
well.

2268
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,199
future land use. Again, um it is in the

2269
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,679
subregional activity center overlay. It

2270
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:30,000
does um plan for this area to be an

2271
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,080
entertainment district and mixed use is

2272
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,560
what we are looking for. So, it complies

2273
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,120
with that and it complies with the

2274
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,560
comprehensive plan in the areas of

2275
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,400
economic development goal number one,

2276
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,159
land use and housing goal number one,

2277
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:43,920
and land use and housing goal number

2278
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,400
four.

2279
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,600
And why wouldn't they allow vet clinics

2280
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,120
um by right? So, we did look at a couple

2281
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:57,120
of the impacts um and really talked a

2282
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,840
lot in planning board about the outdoor

2283
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:04,480
areas um and really honed in with the

2284
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:08,080
tenant that it would be primarily vet

2285
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,520
clinic. They're not going to be having

2286
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,520
boarding where, you know, the dogs are

2287
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,120
going to um have to go in and out. Um

2288
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,840
and so the outdoor area would not be

2289
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,320
necessary. And we also have an example

2290
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,880
in the Sun Valley area already with PEP

2291
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,760
bar if y'all are familiar with that. Um

2292
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,040
we were a little concerned when that

2293
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,760
came in by Wright. Um but that has not

2294
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,360
been an issue with there needing to be

2295
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,840
any um outdoor facilities for the

2296
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,520
animals. They're they're they're in and

2297
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,600
out um quickly.

2298
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,560
So, our recommended conditions um is

2299
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,520
just this blue at the bottom and that it

2300
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,840
allows the veterinarian clinics and

2301
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,239
offices without outdoor animal areas may

2302
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:52,880
be permitted. Um and any indoor animal

2303
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,280
boarding must only be associated with

2304
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,239
medical care.

2305
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,080
The requested action is before you and

2306
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,520
I'll be glad to answer any questions you

2307
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:02,639
may have. Thank you.

2308
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,800
>> Okay. And again, we have no one signed

2309
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,199
up for public hearing. So, can I get an

2310
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,400
open and close on public hearing?

2311
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,719
>> Motion to open and close public hearing.

2312
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:15,120
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2313
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,000
>> Can I get a motion?

2314
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,719
All right. Motion to approve ordinance

2315
01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:23,600
number 434 pertaining to position

2316
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,550
petition CZ2026-0086

2317
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:29,520
as presented.

2318
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,280
>> All in favor?

2319
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,360
>> Unanimous. Motion to adopt the statement

2320
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,199
of consistency findings for

2321
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:41,189
CZ2026-000086

2322
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:44,080
as read into the record by staff.

2323
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:49,830
>> All in favor unanimous.

2324
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,199
» Okay, Randy. Thank you. Thank you.

2325
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,679
>> Brings us to old B business uh project

2326
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:59,840
update. Uh Chestnut Square Park phase 2B

2327
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,280
field and community center. Mr.

2328
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:09,110
Huninger.

2329
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,189
» Uh, thank you, Mayor Council.

2330
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,600
So, tonight we're going to talk u give

2331
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,480
you a little bit of the history less,

2332
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,639
you know, where we're, you know, how we

2333
01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:23,760
came to be at this point. Uh, concept

2334
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:29,189
site plan and then the design contract.

2335
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:33,920
So, um, we back in January of last year,

2336
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,199
um, basic council decided to delay this

2337
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,679
project due to the fact, uh, staff came

2338
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,080
back to y'all to suggest this might be a

2339
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,000
good piece of property to for a future

2340
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,239
community center. And so then we came

2341
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:47,679
back to you the following month in

2342
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:51,120
February 2025 uh, to approve

2343
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,840
analysis uh, contract to see if this

2344
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:55,760
would be doable.

2345
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:59,520
Uh and then basically um Adam came back

2346
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,159
to y'all uh just recently to get council

2347
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:07,590
approval on concept 2B.

2348
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,520
So just right now the you know what we

2349
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,679
got out there is what we built was Chest

2350
01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:16,000
Square Park phase 2A.

2351
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,639
So, just to go back to our CIP ordinance

2352
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:20,320
and give you a rundown of where where

2353
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,480
we're at is basically we expended those

2354
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:24,159
funds. This is what we expended to build

2355
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:27,920
that phase 2A section. Uh so, we used

2356
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:29,280
those four funding sources, Cal

2357
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,520
Preserve, part Bond, storm water, skip

2358
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,840
grant. Uh and I'm not going to go

2359
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,120
through the amounts, but basically that

2360
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,280
equaled about 3.19

2361
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:40,320
basically $3.2 million.

2362
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:41,920
Um

2363
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,679
and so what we have remaining in that

2364
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:47,040
$7.5 million CIP

2365
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,480
uh is uh basically 4.3 uh and you have

2366
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:53,120
those fund four funding sources general

2367
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,280
fund capital reserve part bond and then

2368
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,440
a little bit of storm water which we

2369
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:00,480
probably won't use. Um, but just to be

2370
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:02,320
transparent, that's that's exactly what

2371
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,520
the amounts were.

2372
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:10,400
So, uh, when we came to y'all with a

2373
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,040
chestnut phase 2, this was what was

2374
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,080
going to be the total, uh, site layout

2375
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:17,520
and what was going to be built in the

2376
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,840
future. Obviously, we're not building

2377
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,880
that now. U, so that parking lot area is

2378
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,600
changing. Uh, the fields being

2379
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,719
repositioned. Um, and so, uh, just to

2380
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:30,400
give you a sense of what y'all approved

2381
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,159
way back then, that was what that was

2382
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,320
what was technically approved. Now, we

2383
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,440
doesn't we don't have to build that

2384
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,840
weird parking lot area with the circle,

2385
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,000
um, and so forth and so on. So, I think

2386
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,040
it's been a good decision. So, this is

2387
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,840
what you approved in June, uh, concept

2388
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,679
2B.

2389
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:50,080
All right. So, again, we've shifted the

2390
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,719
field down. Um the way this the this con

2391
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:56,480
this uh submittal agreement that you're

2392
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:58,880
going to uh ask to be approved tonight

2393
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,800
basically we'll replplat this property.

2394
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,960
So this property line you see down here

2395
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,000
at the b bottom going across the field

2396
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,760
will no longer be there that this

2397
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,239
property will be one property not two

2398
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:12,320
separate properties. Uh so we're going

2399
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,280
to clean up that u and then again you

2400
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,920
get more parking. Um

2401
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,199
and uh we we'll uh still do the part do

2402
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,520
the uh bathroom facility at the existing

2403
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,159
parking lot that was built in phase 2 A

2404
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:31,189
um and then um finish out the boardwalk.

2405
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:34,080
So what you approved in that original

2406
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,280
contract analysis was $59,700.

2407
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,960
We're pretty much have expended all that

2408
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,840
money. And so the supplemental agreement

2409
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,880
is broken down into two main sources.

2410
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,400
And I'll give you a breakdown of that in

2411
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,800
a minute. Um, so you basically have the

2412
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,400
Chesnut Square part two phase 2B design,

2413
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,600
which is around $274,000.

2414
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:56,800
And then you'll have the community

2415
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,239
center um design renderings. Uh, again,

2416
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:02,320
giving you a sense of what that's could

2417
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,159
be in the future, give you options of

2418
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:06,320
what you could choose,

2419
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,119
um, the facade and everything. Um, that

2420
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:11,199
will be part of that. Uh, and you

2421
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:15,440
basically that 177,000 you see there is

2422
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,400
going to give you almost uh a 50% design

2423
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:19,600
of that building. I mean, you're going

2424
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,040
to get a good sense of what that

2425
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,040
building is going to look like from in

2426
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,080
from inside and out. U

2427
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,880
so just just so we're clear about that.

2428
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,119
Um and so that breakdown of that

2429
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:34,719
supplement agreement is again

2430
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:36,400
any any plan you've got to go back and

2431
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,080
do some surveying. Uh so we're going to

2432
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,760
do a little bit of surveying. The

2433
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,760
schematic design is 38,000. That's

2434
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,520
basically getting you at 30% design

2435
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,280
plans and then it comes back to us to

2436
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,239
review as staff and you know again

2437
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:49,360
that's when you're going to find if you

2438
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,119
got any hiccups with grade or anything

2439
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,600
like that. Um hopefully that's not the

2440
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,000
case but again that's a stepping stone

2441
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,080
and then you go into um basically

2442
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,239
construction docks in permitting which

2443
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:03,360
gets you to basically your 90 to 90 to

2444
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:08,400
100% plans. That's all in that 89,000.

2445
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,400
Um,

2446
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,400
and that's includes storm water. You

2447
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,320
know, we we still got to make sure the

2448
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:17,199
pond itself uh can can take the

2449
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:18,800
impervious that we're putting back the

2450
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,080
additional impervious we're putting back

2451
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,320
out there. We may have to put a smaller

2452
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,480
pond in a different in a a different

2453
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,480
location. Don't know that yet, but

2454
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:29,679
again, that's part of that that money.

2455
01:39:29,679 --> 01:39:31,360
And then the sub services, that's

2456
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,600
basically all the subcontractors. You've

2457
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,920
got you got the the guy that's going to

2458
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,719
design this uh synthetic turf field. All

2459
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:41,199
right, that's a separate consultant.

2460
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:43,520
Then you have your architectural design

2461
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,280
um

2462
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,119
of the building and all that. And then

2463
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,239
you have um

2464
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:52,560
and also the bathroom stuff. Again, we

2465
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,000
have to go back and take a look at make

2466
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,360
sure what we designed back then. We did

2467
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,679
have somewhat of a a permanent design

2468
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:00,800
for that building, but again, that's

2469
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,400
been several years old. So he has to go

2470
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,639
back and make sure it's up to code now

2471
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:07,199
the any updated building code standards.

2472
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:08,880
So you got a little bit of services in

2473
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,719
that. And then of course we got to get a

2474
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:12,800
new cost estimation to figure out

2475
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,800
exactly what it's going to cost us. Cuz

2476
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,679
again you have 4.3. I can't guarantee

2477
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:20,400
you it's going to come in below that. Uh

2478
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,800
hopefully it does, but we we'll know

2479
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,320
that sooner or rather than later when we

2480
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,199
get to that 60% plan stage. And so we'll

2481
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:29,440
come back to y'all then. And then

2482
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:31,199
basically we we'll have to do some

2483
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,440
material testing services out there. Uh

2484
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:35,679
so you've got to factor that in, you

2485
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,840
know, a pot of money to make sure you

2486
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,440
have enough to do that. And then

2487
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:42,480
reimburse is just, you know, documents,

2488
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:46,239
printing, stuff like that.

2489
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:50,800
Uh what's not in this number is uh the

2490
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,400
permitting itself is trying to get the

2491
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:53,840
documents together, but do you know

2492
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,199
obviously the town do pays the

2493
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:57,840
permitting fees for those third party uh

2494
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,679
agencies. So, that's a little bit of

2495
01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:01,199
money. It's not much, but again, it's

2496
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:02,880
not technically in that number. Just so

2497
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,600
you're we're clear.

2498
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,600
Any questions about uh the breakdown

2499
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,440
um of those two amounts? Again, you've

2500
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:16,159
got 40 451,700 is your total amount. And

2501
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,199
that gets you again that 177 is inside

2502
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:22,159
that sub subcontractor services. So,

2503
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,400
that's your total plus your community

2504
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,239
center renderings, which is your 50%

2505
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:28,560
design plans.

2506
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,080
All right. Anyway, I'll take questions

2507
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:33,920
if anybody has any. Um,

2508
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,320
before we go into the ordinance, let's

2509
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,480
ask questions and I'll explain what the

2510
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:39,679
orange change is.

2511
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:40,960
>> Anybody have any questions?

2512
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,440
>> Yeah. The um the 451 represents the

2513
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,159
50some, the 177, and the 280 something.

2514
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:46,560
Right.

2515
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,639
>> No, the 59 the 50ome we already paid

2516
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:50,400
for. All right. That that was the

2517
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,639
>> 177 and the 280 something.

2518
01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:55,600
>> Correct. Yes. Um the 177 is going to

2519
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,800
come out from the community

2520
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,280
fund, right? Pulling from two sources,

2521
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:02,960
>> right? And you'll see that. Yeah.

2522
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,440
>> All right. That's all I asked. That's

2523
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:08,080
all I I'm asking.

2524
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:12,480
Any other questions? So, um I thought of

2525
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:14,800
this question earlier, but u which

2526
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:16,239
really has nothing to do with this, but

2527
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:17,760
this

2528
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,239
uh this was approved,

2529
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:23,199
uh the phase 2B was approved unanimously

2530
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:24,800
by

2531
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,679
council, was it not? Okay. I just wanted

2532
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,600
to make sure that it was already

2533
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:30,880
everybody understood that it was

2534
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:35,119
unanimously passed. Go ahead. That was my comment.

2535
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:37,440
>> When you say phase 2b, what I guess what

2536
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,960
is it? It was approved for us to go get

2537
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,119
these numbers to bring back to council

2538
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,760
for them to approve the project itself.

2539
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,760
The the schematic design that Todd

2540
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,639
showed that showed the community center,

2541
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:52,400
>> the field, and the parking lot, the

2542
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,080
second one. Yes, that was approved by

2543
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,760
council at the

2544
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:56,800
>> two meetings ago.

2545
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,159
>> Right.

2546
01:42:58,159 --> 01:42:58,560
>> Okay.

2547
01:42:58,560 --> 01:42:58,880
>> Yeah.

2548
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,320
>> Okay. All right. Uh move on.

2549
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,960
>> Okay. So the way the ordinance breaks

2550
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,119
down is basically you're adding an

2551
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:08,880
additional cap reserve fund which is the

2552
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,520
community center fund to fund that 177

2553
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,920
which is on the second um your other

2554
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:17,199
funding sources don't change. Um

2555
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:19,119
so basically you're adding that 17 on

2556
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:25,669
top of the 7 and a half million.

2557
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:27,040
And if you have any more questions I'll

2558
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,520
be happy to answer them. If there's no

2559
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:34,480
more questions, I just I just want to um

2560
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:38,080
just bring this up very quickly. Um

2561
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,760
the importance of having a I I I've read

2562
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,320
and seen where

2563
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:47,440
uh why haven't we move forward with

2564
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:51,520
trying to um collect money or try to ask

2565
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,639
for money for for the community center?

2566
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:59,119
And um um I just

2567
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:00,639
You can't really ask for money until you

2568
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:02,320
have until you have something to show

2569
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,280
them. And um I kind of would like that.

2570
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,760
Adam, would you like to

2571
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,760
or or mention or say

2572
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,159
in other words, we've got to you've got

2573
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:15,600
to have a if you're going to ask

2574
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,560
somebody for $40 million,

2575
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,560
you can't tell them what you think it's

2576
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,159
going to look like. You got to show them

2577
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:24,080
what it's got to look like. Is is this

2578
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,560
is what my point is trying to be. Not

2579
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,280
that I think anybody's gonna give us $40

2580
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,760
million, but what if they did? You know,

2581
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:37,119
that'd be great. Or a million dollars or $500,000 or $200,000 that before you

2582
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,040
do that, you've got to you've got to

2583
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,440
show them. You don't go buy a

2584
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,080
Rolls-Royce without without seeing it,

2585
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,239
you know, without knowing what it is. So

2586
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,639
I I just kind of want that out there

2587
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,679
because I have seen several people

2588
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:54,880
question the fact that why well I'll

2589
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,119
just point we haven't we haven't or

2590
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:58,560
haven't gotten any money and I want to

2591
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,760
do my best to get money for it and but

2592
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,520
that's the reason and right

2593
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,760
>> and and that's what that 177 is going to

2594
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,360
give us. So that'll give us like Todd

2595
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,040
just said to 50% design plans roughly

2596
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:12,320
>> roughly

2597
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:15,199
>> between two and three external

2598
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:18,480
renderings of the community center so

2599
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:21,199
that council, the public, park and rec

2600
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:23,199
park and recck committee, everybody can

2601
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:25,119
weigh in to what that looks like at that

2602
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:25,679
point.

2603
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:31,280
>> If I can add this too, mayor, um it it's an important step in our evolution

2604
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,840
right as a town where we want to

2605
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,600
construct a community center. We've

2606
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,360
identified a place for it that where

2607
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,400
we'd like to see it, but without without

2608
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,800
the the a plan, right, which is

2609
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,800
basically saying at this point in time,

2610
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,639
we want to build this. This is how much

2611
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:50,080
we estimate it to cost. It'll cost us. I

2612
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:51,840
think that is what you will need as the

2613
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,760
mayor, as the face of the town going out

2614
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,440
and asking people for money. They're

2615
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:57,280
going to ask you, well, what are you

2616
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:58,719
going to build? You have something to

2617
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:01,280
show, right? Even if it's the plan, how

2618
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,880
much it's going to cost? you have an

2619
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,400
estimate of what it's going to cost if

2620
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,320
you had the money one time. So I think

2621
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,639
these things are necessary for us to

2622
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:11,040
move on to that next phase. And anybody

2623
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,040
who you know brings up a point in saying

2624
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:14,880
well why haven't you asked for money? I

2625
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,950
mean I'm just going to be honest.

2626
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,719
So let's not worry about these. Let's

2627
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:22,880
not worry about you know the people who

2628
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,199
some very small minority who think that

2629
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,840
way. Let's put this forward and get

2630
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,520
there and therefore we go that we you

2631
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:29,840
know

2632
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,360
>> well I think it's it's I think it's

2633
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:32,800
necessary. I just want the public to

2634
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,400
realize too that that's that's what

2635
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,000
we're doing. That's that's why we're

2636
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,639
doing and and I think it's a it's a good

2637
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:42,320
idea. So, thank thank you for for that.

2638
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:43,360
So,

2639
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,080
>> so we have a you know several motions we

2640
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,639
got to do um to get this get the finish

2641
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:49,040
line.

2642
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:54,870
>> Okay. Can I uh can I get a motion?

2643
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:56,320
Somebody want to make a motion?

2644
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:57,920
>> Congress.

2645
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,960
I would like to make a motion

2646
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,679
to approve design contract supplemental

2647
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:06,239
agreement number one with McAdams as

2648
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:07,360
presented.

2649
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:08,480
>> All in favor?

2650
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:09,679
>> Unanimous.

2651
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:11,280
>> Also would like to make a motion to

2652
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:15,119
approve the amended U Chestnut Park

2653
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:19,040
phase 2 ordinance number 094 as

2654
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,159
presented.

2655
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:23,440
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2656
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:26,560
I also would like to make a motion to

2657
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:27,840
approve the budget amendments for

2658
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:31,679
Chestnut Park phase two as pres

2659
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:33,360
presented.

2660
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,679
>> Yes. Okay. All in favor? Unanimous.

2661
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:39,520
And I am done with my motions.

2662
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,679
>> Okay. Next we have Stallings Fire

2663
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:43,600
Department storm water relocation. Mr.

2664
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,199
Huninger, go right ahead.

2665
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:52,390
>> All right. So, um,

2666
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,239
just so you know, I did talk to, uh, the

2667
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:55,760
storm water committee about what I'm

2668
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,239
about to present tonight. Uh, and they,

2669
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:01,360
uh, they recommended moving forward, uh,

2670
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,639
with my request. So, just give you a

2671
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,880
rundown one more time in case uh,

2672
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:09,040
somebody audience doesn't know what's

2673
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,000
going on here. U,, so you got the

2674
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,520
property of Stalin's Fire Department

2675
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,600
along road and that's basically what it

2676
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,840
looks like.

2677
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,000
You got a you got a rideway that was

2678
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,960
bought by the NC DOT to do the old mower

2679
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,639
widening and so they purchased this. So

2680
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:28,159
that impacts their dried attention which

2681
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:31,360
is in the green area. So uh they came to

2682
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,280
the town because uh you know they

2683
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:34,960
haven't they don't have any experience

2684
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,840
you know you know trying to get this

2685
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,719
thing moved uh contractwise or anything

2686
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:46,400
else. Um so um we uh the DOT did give

2687
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,320
them a certain amount of money to uh

2688
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,440
move the dry pond back to the back. We

2689
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:54,320
have uh as a as a staff has have

2690
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,760
recommended that we do not just uh

2691
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,480
remove replace the dry pond. We want to

2692
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:03,600
get this site back in compliance. Um and

2693
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,440
that would be to put a water quality

2694
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:08,159
feature back there. And so, uh, our

2695
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:11,119
consultant that that we hired, uh, that

2696
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:14,080
the the fire department is paying, um,

2697
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,639
basically, uh, designed a wet pond back

2698
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:18,639
there.

2699
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:20,400
And it's because, as you can see all

2700
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:23,440
that impervious on the screen. Um, uh,

2701
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:25,360
the fire department when it was first

2702
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,199
built was the building structure itself

2703
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,520
and then the front parking area. And

2704
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:30,960
then they had a little bit of park uh,

2705
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:32,639
asphalt in the back for the trucks to

2706
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:34,960
obviously drive around the building. But

2707
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,280
all that parking at the that you see at

2708
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,920
the back here

2709
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,159
uh basically was built due to the fact

2710
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:44,480
this is a place you go and cast your

2711
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,800
votes. So they need the parking area to

2712
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,600
have somebody to park back there. Um and

2713
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,520
so that got added. I don't know when. Um

2714
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,520
but again that's not being captured by

2715
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,320
any kind of a storm water uh facility.

2716
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,320
Uh and so it needs to come back into

2717
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,360
compliance. So um so I've talked to

2718
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,920
them. We um

2719
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,239
we did put a little bit of design funds

2720
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:11,360
uh together. It was about $7,000 storm

2721
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,000
funds uh that uh I did go to the

2722
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:15,920
committee for and and we just approved

2723
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:17,920
as staff because it was a low amount. Uh

2724
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,080
so we did uh add a little bit of design

2725
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,040
funds to get that water quality designed

2726
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:24,800
feature design. But that's the reason

2727
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,480
why we we need to put this back in

2728
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:28,239
compliance in our stormwater permit our

2729
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:31,199
MS4 permitting. It really encourages

2730
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:34,639
retro, we call it retrofitting a uh uh

2731
01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:36,800
property. And so being this is a

2732
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,199
government facility, we think this is uh

2733
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:40,880
this be our first one, but we think it's

2734
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,199
a good idea to spend $200 to help uh

2735
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:46,000
this uh property get back in compliance

2736
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
because technically they didn't have to

2737
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,159
do this. I mean, they all they needed to

2738
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:51,679
do was because our grandfather didn't is

2739
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:53,040
move that dry pond and we feel like

2740
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,560
that's not um a good a permanent

2741
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,239
solution.

2742
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:01,119
So where we at right now is we have full

2743
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:02,960
design plans completed. We have an

2744
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,400
engineer estimate that was completed

2745
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,920
that has been uh shared to the um sen

2746
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,679
fire department fire chief. Um

2747
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:14,480
uh obviously all that impervious I just

2748
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:18,080
showed you all that parking lot area the fire department does want to uh

2749
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,040
rehab all the asphalt. So that is wasn't

2750
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:22,639
part of this scope. You know obviously

2751
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:24,480
DOT is not paying for all that based on

2752
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:26,719
the rideway acquisition. So, they've got

2753
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,560
to come up with those funds. So, that's

2754
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,400
what they're doing right now is they're

2755
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,159
going back to the county and trying to

2756
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:35,679
get more funds for the project. Um, they

2757
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:37,280
feel like they can get those fairly

2758
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,360
soon. So, we're tenatively going to

2759
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,440
advertise this in September if they can

2760
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,360
get those funds. If not, it'll just get

2761
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:47,360
delayed till, you know, whenever. Um,

2762
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,119
but we we still are trying to get this

2763
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:50,800
thing bid out as soon as we can to go

2764
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,159
ahead and get the process start because

2765
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:55,520
we we do know road is finally coming

2766
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:57,520
soon.

2767
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,679
Um,

2768
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:01,440
and then there's obviously a little bit

2769
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,520
more a little bit of material testing.

2770
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,320
Um, so we we have a called one of our

2771
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:07,920
consultant we've used in the past. It's

2772
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,520
very small amount but there will be a

2773
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,800
little bit of testing that need to be done.

2774
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:17,520
So DOT basically gave them $38,816

2775
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,960
to move this pond. And obviously to move

2776
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,040
it, you had to redo some of the storm

2777
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,719
water pipe mean, you know, all the

2778
01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:26,239
parking lots drained towards open road.

2779
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:27,520
Now it's got to drain to the back. So

2780
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,119
you got to reverse all of it. So all

2781
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,520
that's included in the 308. Uh the

2782
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,440
design obviously taken some of that. Um

2783
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:38,800
so right now that that's a total of 358

2784
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,080
because again they're going to need

2785
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,159
every bit of 308. So, they knew the 49

2786
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:44,320
was going to be extra

2787
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,880
and they're basically in charge of all

2788
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,719
the overages. Uh, again, we're going to

2789
01:52:48,719 --> 01:52:50,239
help them out with some storm funds, but

2790
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:52,719
that's that's it as far as that goes.

2791
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:55,280
So, just wanted to give you a clo more

2792
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:56,480
closeup what I was talking about with

2793
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,080
the imper the impervious. Again, that's

2794
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,639
all new asphalt back there. So, it's a

2795
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,719
very big area u that they want to

2796
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:04,239
improve. So, that's a big number they've

2797
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:07,679
got to go get. And so

2798
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:11,119
now again, we gave them seven grand to

2799
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:13,360
uh to design the water quality feature.

2800
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,520
Um but now they've got to go back and

2801
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,480
get our total in engineers estimate with

2802
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:21,280
everything included 750,000.

2803
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:26,000
Um uh the uh their total would be the

2804
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,000
259 plus the parking lot. And to convert

2805
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,080
that to make that a water quality, we

2806
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:33,840
basically we took several line items

2807
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:35,840
that are considered water quality line

2808
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,480
items like your your plantings

2809
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:41,760
um uh some of the vegetation

2810
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:45,920
um and and uh for instance a trash rack

2811
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,000
uh appearance uh you know items for the

2812
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,840
structure stuff like that that ends up

2813
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,520
being around 92 and again that's an

2814
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,199
engineer's estimate. I haven't bid it

2815
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:54,960
out yet. Don't know what the total

2816
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:56,800
number is going to be but needed funds

2817
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,159
for the county. They need to go back and

2818
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:01,840
get 397,000 to make this work. But what

2819
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,159
I'm asking the town to do, uh, the

2820
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:06,800
council is approved using, uh, not to

2821
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,360
exceed $100,000 of storm water funds uh,

2822
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,679
to help build the, uh, water quality

2823
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:13,440
pond.

2824
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:14,719
And I'll be happy to answer any

2825
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:16,880
questions.

2826
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:17,520
>> Question.

2827
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,080
>> Yeah. So, they need 397.

2828
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,880
>> They need 397. Not well, not including

2829
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,599
our stuff. That's all them. And there

2830
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,119
they will they be able to get that

2831
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:27,760
money.

2832
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,480
>> I'm been told that shouldn't be a

2833
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:30,960
problem.

2834
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:32,480
>> Okay.

2835
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,040
>> I think if anything,

2836
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,320
you know, the asphalt parking lot won't

2837
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,080
get won't happen. But the obviously I

2838
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,400
think getting the that's that's about

2839
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,000
150 something thousand just to do the

2840
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:42,719
asphalt.

2841
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:43,119
>> Yeah.

2842
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,199
>> So he they've got at least get 160

2843
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:46,320
$170,000. I

2844
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,960
>> mean we we I'm I'm fully supported. We

2845
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,119
love we love our firemen, right? They

2846
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:54,480
do, you know, first responders. to do um

2847
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:56,080
service when hopefully there's not a

2848
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,080
fire, but if there is and it's also a

2849
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,280
place where a lot of people go to vote

2850
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:00,560
to as well. It's a very big polling

2851
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:00,719
place.

2852
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:02,400
>> Yeah, it's it's a lot of parking back.

2853
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,760
So, um I'm sure it gets used uh

2854
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:07,920
seasonally.

2855
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:09,119
>> I have a question. Um

2856
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:10,719
>> Yes, sir.

2857
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:14,400
>> Since the um DOT, I guess, to took part

2858
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,560
of that land, correct? Correct. And this

2859
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,080
is a reason why we're doing it.

2860
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,480
>> Yes. Uh, do you know how much money the

2861
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,719
fire department received for that for

2862
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:23,280
that land?

2863
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:24,320
>> That was that 308

2864
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:27,199
>> as a 308. So, so

2865
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:30,159
out of that 375 that they need, am I

2866
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:32,400
understanding that right? 308 of it.

2867
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:36,080
>> Yeah. 750 total, they've got basically

2868
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,639
308 to play with and they need more.

2869
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:39,920
They need the difference now.

2870
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:40,719
>> Okay. Yeah.

2871
01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:42,320
>> I just wanted to make sure I knew I

2872
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,000
understood what Yeah. Yeah. No.

2873
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,520
>> Okay. Okay.

2874
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:51,270
>> All right. Can I get a motion?

2875
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:54,719
» I would like to make a motion to approve

2876
01:55:54,719 --> 01:55:56,719
the request for using the additional

2877
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,480
$100,000

2878
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:00,480
of stormwater funds for construction

2879
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,159
costs for the Stalins Fire Department

2880
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:04,480
storm water recloation

2881
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,159
project as presented.

2882
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:08,719
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2883
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:10,400
>> All right. Thank you, Mayor Council.

2884
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:12,719
>> Thank you.

2885
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:16,390
>> Okay.

2886
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,639
All right. So, we're going to move on to

2887
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:20,639
uh

2888
01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:23,599
budget amendments. Excuse me. Economic

2889
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:28,149
development agreement. I'm sorry.

2890
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,159
I I had skipped to the next one

2891
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:33,280
in my mind. So, yes, we are on the

2892
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,520
economic our economic development for

2893
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,320
the Indian Trail Waterline. Um, so

2894
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:42,639
council back in March of this year uh

2895
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:46,560
directed myself and and the team to work

2896
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:50,159
on an agreement with Indian Trail Town

2897
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:54,000
Center LLC for not for an amount not to

2898
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,320
exceed half a million dollars. Uh we

2899
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:00,239
have worked with uh Melanie, gotten that

2900
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:04,000
agreement drafted. It uh went to Taipar.

2901
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,440
They were good with it. It's come back

2902
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,880
to us. So now we are here tonight to uh

2903
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,400
ratify that agreement. Also with that is

2904
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:14,480
the budget amendments that it'll take to

2905
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:17,119
do that. Um

2906
01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:20,159
it is my recommendation to in this

2907
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:24,080
year's budget. We allotted $200,000 for

2908
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,880
economic development to use that. And in

2909
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,280
the past y'all have put aside and saved

2910
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:32,000
out of past budgets an amount of

2911
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,760
$320,000

2912
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,400
for economic development. So, take 300

2913
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,719
of that, the 200 of this year's budget,

2914
01:57:38,719 --> 01:57:41,760
adds up to 500 to be able to fund that.

2915
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:45,520
Um, leaving in that, let's call it the

2916
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,440
economic development savings account.

2917
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,159
Again, I'm not using a budgetary term.

2918
01:57:50,159 --> 01:57:52,880
I'm using just a a general term would

2919
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,520
still be about $20,000 sitting there for

2920
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,159
future projects that council wanted to

2921
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,080
do incentives for. Remember, this

2922
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,599
doesn't mean that council does not have

2923
01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:03,360
money to do incentives. You would just

2924
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,199
have to do budget amendments from

2925
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:07,199
unassigned fund balance to move that

2926
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:10,960
money in the future if you wanted to

2927
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,960
>> explain very well.

2928
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,880
>> So, uh, can I get a motion?

2929
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:16,560
>> Well, before you do so, I I just want to

2930
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,320
say something. I I was part of the the

2931
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:23,119
original council that approved this and

2932
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,040
for some reason it wasn't I don't know

2933
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,400
what the reason is. Um, it it it wasn't

2934
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:30,719
enacted upon and that we're back here

2935
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:32,960
again voting on this. So Melanie based

2936
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,960
on this this is executable that we don't

2937
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,719
have to come back again that's a

2938
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:40,159
clarifying question

2939
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:41,760
>> once taipar

2940
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:43,599
>> once the party agrees

2941
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:45,760
>> correct correct I think the issue last

2942
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,080
time it was a three-party agreement and

2943
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,840
the county never executed it

2944
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:51,760
>> all right okay thank you sorry may I

2945
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,280
just wanted to clarify that

2946
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,159
>> all right

2947
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:55,679
>> uh one thing I probably should have said

2948
01:58:55,679 --> 01:58:59,599
is the um the funds aren't due to taipar

2949
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,760
until after the line is in the ground

2950
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,760
and fully operational and approved by

2951
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,599
the county. Um, so there the asset will

2952
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:11,040
be in place before any funds are given

2953
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,400
over to uh the developer.

2954
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:15,599
>> Well, maybe I shouldn't ask this

2955
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,320
question, but did the county pay it into

2956
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:19,920
or do we know or do we

2957
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:20,639
>> No,

2958
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:21,679
>> they did not.

2959
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,159
>> That's why we're making a new agreement

2960
01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:26,400
that does not include the county as the

2961
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:27,599
old one did.

2962
01:59:27,599 --> 01:59:29,520
>> Gotcha. Well, I was afraid of that, but

2963
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,400
Okay. All right. So, tap. So, they have

2964
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,080
to eat that. Is that basically what's happening there?

2965
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,639
>> All All litigation monitor, too.

2966
01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:41,520
>> Okay. All right. Well, I'm glad to see

2967
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:44,960
Indian Trail step up and doing what they need to do. Um All

2968
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,199
right. Now, can I get a can I get a

2969
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:47,760
motion?

2970
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,520
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

2971
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,520
request for you. Oh, I'm sorry, wrong

2972
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,400
one. Make approve make a motion to

2973
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,000
approve the economic development

2974
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,239
incentive agreement as presented by Mr.

2975
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:02,159
Mlam. All in favor? Unanimous.

2976
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:03,599
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

2977
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:06,880
accompanying bud budgets amendments as

2978
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:08,159
presented.

2979
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,560
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2980
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:12,400
>> And then I'll make a motion to approve

2981
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,960
the accompanying journal entry as

2982
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:15,920
presented.

2983
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,239
>> All in favor? Unanimous.

2984
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:23,599
Very good. Thank you. Um, this brings us

2985
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:26,639
up to CRTPO delegate and alternate

2986
02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:28,880
minutes correction. Miss Sims, Mr.

2987
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:30,239
Mclam.

2988
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:32,560
>> So, from time to time, uh, when we're

2989
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,760
putting together minutes, we may reverse

2990
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:37,440
something in the minutes or things like

2991
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:40,639
that. Um, working with Melanie, if that

2992
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:42,800
happens, there are general statutes that

2993
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,280
allow us to update those, but you have

2994
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,679
to have clear and concise information to

2995
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:50,560
be able to do that. Because our minutes

2996
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:52,560
uh because our meetings are on YouTube,

2997
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:55,280
we have that information. So, uh, to do

2998
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:56,719
this, what we're going to do is show a

2999
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:59,199
very short, it's a minute and 20

3000
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:02,560
seconds, if that, uh, clip from the

3001
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,639
meeting that this took place at, and

3002
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:06,800
then we would ask for council to make a

3003
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,840
motion to update the minutes to what

3004
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:14,080
happened at the meeting. So, this is the short clip of the meeting.

3005
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:17,040
>> Okay. Next is the uh, CRTPO, Charlotte

3006
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:18,880
Regional Transportation Planning

3007
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,679
Organization, and um, I need a

3008
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:24,560
nomination. Uh, I think I know who has

3009
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:27,440
done a fantastic job with it. And uh,

3010
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:31,679
who would like to nominate Clarence? Oh.

3011
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:36,790
>> Huh? Would you?

3012
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,880
» All in favor?

3013
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:40,880
Unanimous.

3014
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:44,080
All right. Alternate delegate.

3015
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:46,560
Clarence, would you like to

3016
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,280
>> like to nominate Mayor Con?

3017
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,760
>> All in favor?

3018
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:53,840
unanimous.

3019
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:55,679
>> So, the way that we wrote the minutes

3020
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:58,880
was that uh the way that the minutes

3021
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,360
were written and approved was that Mayor

3022
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:05,360
Conn was the primary delegate and

3023
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:08,080
council member Oscar Brooks was the

3024
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:10,080
alternate delegate, but as you can see

3025
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,800
through the recording, it was actually

3026
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,880
the exact opposite. So, all we're

3027
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,719
looking for is uh approval to update the

3028
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:21,910
minutes.

3029
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:23,679
» I I can make that motion for you if you

3030
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:24,480
want, mayor.

3031
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:25,280
>> Sure. Go ahead.

3032
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,920
>> Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the

3033
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,360
correction of the December 9th, 2025

3034
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:33,679
meeting reflecting council member Als

3035
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:36,960
Brooks, Clarence Als Brooks as the

3036
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:39,440
primary delegate and the mayor, Mr.

3037
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:43,760
David Cohen as the alternate delegate of

3038
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:45,920
CRTPO as presented.

3039
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:48,480
>> Uh, all in favor? Unanimous.

3040
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:52,560
>> Thank you.

3041
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:56,639
>> I just want to quickly say that um

3042
02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:59,760
Clarence had been the uh the primary

3043
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:03,920
delegate for quite some time. Uh, and

3044
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:07,920
then of course we we did, but

3045
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,000
it it did get put on social media by a

3046
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,639
council person who actually voted for

3047
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:19,040
it, voted in this and and said that

3048
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,599
um that that was incorrect that he went

3049
02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:23,199
by the minutes even though he knew

3050
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:26,159
better. So anyway, I'm not going I'm not

3051
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:28,000
going to divulge in that. It's just kind

3052
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,840
of a sad situation. But let's move on to

3053
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:36,719
uh new business CRTPO call for projects.

3054
02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:49,669
Mr. Huninger.

3055
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:52,320
All right. So, um

3056
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:55,760
uh talk to talk to Adam about this and

3057
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:57,679
uh try to get a sense of, you know, what

3058
02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:00,159
projects could we submit? uh this fall

3059
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,199
call again uh if you don't recall I

3060
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:04,480
talked a little bit about this

3061
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,360
previously uh but they you've got a a

3062
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:10,159
significant amount of money um uh for

3063
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,159
this fall call usually it's only around

3064
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:14,480
30 million and there are a little bit

3065
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:18,800
over 50 uh due to not being not using uh

3066
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:22,080
some monies uh in the pre previous

3067
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:25,280
uh iterations. So, um I think it's a

3068
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,480
it's an opportunity to at least um you

3069
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:29,920
know, at least submit at least one

3070
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,599
project. If we don't do two, we're going

3071
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:32,960
to I'm going to show you two projects

3072
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,040
tonight, but again, if we can at least

3073
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,800
do one of them, I think would be a good

3074
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:38,800
idea, uh just because there's

3075
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:40,080
opportunity there. And I think you're

3076
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:41,199
going to get a lot of applicants, so

3077
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:44,159
it's probably going to be a tough um a

3078
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:46,000
tough application process uh to get

3079
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,080
award funding, but I think we ought to

3080
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:51,440
take a a shot at it. So, uh, two

3081
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:53,520
projects tonight like to talk about is

3082
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:55,520
Chestnut Lane Potter Road intersection

3083
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:56,800
improvements. That's one of the

3084
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,960
intersections in our, uh, transportation

3085
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:02,000
master plan and Price Mil Creek

3086
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,080
Greenway.

3087
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:07,040
All right. So, uh, if you go to your the

3088
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:08,159
transportation master plan, that

3089
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:10,239
basically this is the drawing you'll see

3090
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:12,880
u, uh, in the main body of the document

3091
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:16,239
and the appendixes. Um, so

3092
02:05:16,239 --> 02:05:18,719
what what the uh suggestions or

3093
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:21,360
recommendations were was to basically uh

3094
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:24,400
add uh two right turn lane movements on

3095
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:26,880
and I'll I'll zoom in here in a minute

3096
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:28,880
on two legs of the intersections and

3097
02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:31,599
then extend uh left turn lanes on the

3098
02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:34,239
other sections and then basically

3099
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:38,239
improves all pedestrian uh uh uh safety

3100
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:41,440
features like the curb ramps, the ped uh

3101
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,520
push buttons

3102
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,360
But right now there's no crosswalks out

3103
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:46,960
there right now. There's it's all the

3104
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:50,000
striping is kind of gone. Um and so and

3105
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,760
then add

3106
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:54,560
a sidewalk that's missing uh at in the

3107
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:57,360
Stalin section.

3108
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:00,000
So if you look at it, uh so it would be

3109
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,520
this right turn lane would be a brand

3110
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,440
new lane. Right now it's a straight

3111
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:06,320
right combo. you would build a brand new

3112
02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:09,440
right turn lane uh coming up from the

3113
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:11,679
neighborhoods on the east side or west

3114
02:06:11,679 --> 02:06:14,639
side of the town going to eastly

3115
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,639
um you would add a right turn lane right

3116
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:18,239
now that's a straight right and then you

3117
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,639
would extend the left turn lane along

3118
02:06:20,639 --> 02:06:23,520
Potter going north

3119
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:26,560
um and then the left turn lane

3120
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:29,760
uh I believe I didn't highlight it but I

3121
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,520
believe that's on Potter going south you

3122
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:32,639
would extend that left turn lane a

3123
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,639
little bit as well

3124
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,840
uh And then again do improvements. Um

3125
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:41,520
refle reflectivity markings. Uh all

3126
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,079
these curb ramps need to be updated. Uh

3127
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,480
and then add that go if you go back to

3128
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:48,960
the other drawing. This section of

3129
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:52,639
sidewalk here is is not there on the uh

3130
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:54,239
this is the Indian parcel but it's

3131
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:56,400
basically Stalin's uh you know

3132
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:57,760
subdivisions that need to be connected

3133
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:01,679
back to this intersection. Um, so I we

3134
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:03,760
pic I picked this one or suggested this

3135
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,760
to Adam because uh we're going to come

3136
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:09,599
to y y'all in September with pro with

3137
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:11,440
suggestion to do a joint venture with

3138
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:14,880
Stalins's to uh connect the sidewalk on

3139
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:18,159
Chestnut on the west side of town uh

3140
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:20,079
where the new subdivision have been

3141
02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:22,480
built uh west of Kenwood South if y'all

3142
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:24,960
know that area. there's uh missing

3143
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,040
sidewalk connections and they would like

3144
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,840
the uh us to partner with them that you

3145
02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:32,560
know Chestnut Lane in that area is a

3146
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:36,960
mixed bag of Stalins and Indian parcels.

3147
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,960
So would like to extend that sidewalk

3148
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:43,679
all the way to Weddington Road. Is that correct? Weddington Road. Yeah.

3149
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:46,480
So, I think if we're going to do that,

3150
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:48,159
if y'all decide to do that, then I think

3151
02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:49,679
it's a good idea to go ahead and get

3152
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:53,840
this started in the process. Again,

3153
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,480
you're talking about if we would get

3154
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,800
approved in 2026, we wouldn't be able to

3155
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:03,119
do design till 2029. So, it would be a

3156
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:06,159
long ways away. Um, but again, you would

3157
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:08,239
be able to at least start the process of

3158
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:11,199
getting this updated. So I thought just

3159
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:15,920
be being that it's not um uh moneywise

3160
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:19,280
it's a few million

3161
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:21,280
because just those turn lanes that's

3162
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:22,719
pretty much what's you're eating the

3163
02:08:22,719 --> 02:08:25,360
money. Uh but if we can get a 8020 split

3164
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:26,960
it would be a little over half million

3165
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:29,440
to the town to be to spend. Again, you

3166
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:32,159
would have several years from 29 all the

3167
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,320
way to 2031

3168
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,000
32

3169
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,400
u to uh spend out that money and then

3170
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,599
get reimbursement for it. So

3171
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:44,239
anyway, and then the next one is Price

3172
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:47,760
Mil Creek Greenway. U this this project

3173
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,679
is actually in the priorit

3174
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:52,719
prioritization 8. U that's a process of

3175
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:55,119
trying to get projects into the step.

3176
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:57,440
And so they've um they've started that

3177
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,320
process. Right now it has been ranked.

3178
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,800
It is not ranked very well. Uh we do

3179
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:05,599
have two projects uh in the pedestrian

3180
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:08,000
what they call it non-highway group.

3181
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,679
It's this project and our sidewalk

3182
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:11,440
connections project. And if you don't if

3183
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,679
you don't recall that that's all our gap

3184
02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:16,560
connections. We have like eight to nine

3185
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:19,280
streets that we combined all together.

3186
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:22,320
that actually got ranked high out of 40

3187
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:26,079
non-highway projects in P8. Uh that is

3188
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:28,880
number seven. So I feel like that's got

3189
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,599
a a great shot of getting to the step.

3190
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:34,239
So um I wouldn't mess with that right

3191
02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:36,400
now, but Price Mill is in the middle of

3192
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,880
the road, lower half. It's just it's

3193
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:41,119
been sitting there, Lord knows since me

3194
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:43,920
and Adam been here. Um and so it's just

3195
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:45,360
never going to get funded through that

3196
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:46,800
process.

3197
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,119
I think it's an ideal candidate greenway

3198
02:09:49,119 --> 02:09:51,760
wise because again road is coming. I

3199
02:09:51,760 --> 02:09:53,119
know some people don't think that but it

3200
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:55,280
is coming and you're going to have a

3201
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:57,599
10ft multi-use path on that side road

3202
02:09:57,599 --> 02:09:59,840
that this greenway will connect to. And

3203
02:09:59,840 --> 02:10:02,560
as you can see it's going to connect you

3204
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:07,360
know six subdivisions um u well six

3205
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:09,119
subdivision have opportunities to get to

3206
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:10,320
that greenway. Some of them going to

3207
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:11,360
have to walk a little longer than

3208
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:14,079
others, but it it's to me going to get

3209
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:16,400
used more probably most more than most

3210
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:17,760
greenways we've got planned in the

3211
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:21,679
future. Um, and again, we've got

3212
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:23,920
uh it's one one and a half miles and if

3213
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:27,119
you look at the drawn county parcels, we

3214
02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:29,280
already own about 80% of the property

3215
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:30,719
already that we don't even have to pay

3216
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:34,880
for. Um, so that's a savings in itself.

3217
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:36,639
Uh, we don't have to go back and buy

3218
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:38,239
that permanent easement from these

3219
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:40,320
folks. we would just have to deal with

3220
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:42,719
heritage subdivision which I think they

3221
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:47,360
would welcome uh that connection. Um and

3222
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,840
then we se several parcels right there

3223
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:52,159
uh along road where we have already part

3224
02:10:52,159 --> 02:10:54,560
property.

3225
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,920
So again uh think it's a ideal candidate

3226
02:10:57,920 --> 02:10:59,679
uh to move forward with if you would

3227
02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:03,920
like. Um this is a big number because we

3228
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:07,119
use DO's estimating tool. Uh, so I

3229
02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:08,800
haven't really had chance to really

3230
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:11,119
break down the cost. I don't think it's

3231
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:14,159
going to cost $4.7 million, but again,

3232
02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:17,360
that's what the the the program spit

3233
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:21,440
out. Um, so that would obviously at 8020

3234
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:23,199
split that would be a million dollars

3235
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:25,199
we'd be on the hook for, which again, I

3236
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:26,719
don't think it's going to cost that much

3237
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:31,040
to build. Um, if we act sooner rather

3238
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:32,800
than later.

3239
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:34,719
and I'll be happy to ask answer any

3240
02:11:34,719 --> 02:11:37,119
questions about those two projects.

3241
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:39,440
>> Do you recommend you act a little

3242
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:42,560
hesitant about doing both projects?

3243
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,400
>> No, I just um No, I don't have a

3244
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:46,960
hesitency, but uh I mean I I wanted to

3245
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:48,719
be transparent the fact that you know

3246
02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:50,239
there's there's only three intersections

3247
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:52,079
we have in a master plan. We we already

3248
02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:53,920
got one starting like we're going to

3249
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:55,920
start doing design for Stinson Hardest

3250
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,239
Yroview.

3251
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:00,000
So there's only two left. It's that one

3252
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,679
and Fate Church in Unionville. Faith

3253
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:04,560
Church is pretty high costwise.

3254
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,040
Um, but I picked again picked this one

3255
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:08,639
because

3256
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:11,040
I would think not, you know, I'm not

3257
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:12,480
making a decision for y'all, but I would

3258
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:13,840
think the partnership with Stalins to do

3259
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,599
that sidewalk connection is probably a

3260
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:17,599
good project to to move forward with.

3261
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:19,280
And if you're going to do that, then,

3262
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:20,960
you know, why not try to improve this

3263
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,599
intersection? It's it doesn't fail right

3264
02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:26,719
now. It's fine right now, but we we do

3265
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:29,920
forecast the 2050. it will fail in 2050

3266
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,159
and that's crash ratio data and

3267
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:35,360
everything. It's going to fail. Um you

3268
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:37,760
have about 25 crashes a year at the

3269
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:41,119
intersection. We did look at, you know,

3270
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:42,960
uh redoing the intersection to a

3271
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,199
roundabout to an RCI intersection. It

3272
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:47,119
just it doesn't work because Potter has

3273
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:50,400
more um more volume and it's only a

3274
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,239
two-lane road um than Chestnut does. So

3275
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,400
that that

3276
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:59,360
uh misbalance with the traffic uh is not

3277
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,440
acceptable those types and roundabout

3278
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:03,520
wouldn't would fail in 2050. So you

3279
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,199
don't want to build a roundabout.

3280
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,199
>> So this is a cheaper option is build

3281
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:09,440
some turn lanes and and do some

3282
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,679
pedestrian improvements.

3283
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,280
>> So our recommend I mean like the

3284
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:16,719
recommendation from myself and the team

3285
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,960
would be to go after both projects.

3286
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:19,280
>> Okay.

3287
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:21,679
>> Yeah. I think that that speaks volumes.

3288
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:24,480
And if you don't have any questions or

3289
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,400
Clarence

3290
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:30,560
>> question um and did I understand you say

3291
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,040
uh Stalins is submitting the project

3292
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,320
also as a joint.

3293
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:38,800
>> No no this is Stalins um

3294
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:40,960
uh went to their board uh to see if they

3295
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:42,880
would be willing to fund it now without

3296
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:46,239
any help. So, they have agreed to do

3297
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:48,480
that and so we'll be coming to y'all to

3298
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,079
actually build a project without any

3299
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:52,560
help from any uh funding sources.

3300
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,159
>> That's a completely different project

3301
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:55,679
than the ones that we're talking about

3302
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:58,320
right now. These are two projects. We

3303
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:00,239
will come at the next council meeting

3304
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:03,760
with another project that is uh solely

3305
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,360
sidewalk connections and a

3306
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:11,679
bridge uh over the creek down there at

3307
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:17,520
the low point on um Chestnut. Yeah, it's a it's technically a low priority

3308
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,840
project for us in our ped plan, but

3309
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:22,400
since Stalins is willing to spend money

3310
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:25,280
to do it, to me, I think that, you know,

3311
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,360
that helps assist us in saying that, you

3312
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:30,400
know, uh we maybe should we should look

3313
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:31,840
at moving forward, you know, sooner

3314
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:33,599
rather than later since we are getting

3315
02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:34,480
help with it.

3316
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:36,639
>> Okay, good.

3317
02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:38,560
>> But tonight, we would need a motion to

3318
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,639
go to put both of these projects in for

3319
02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:44,800
the fall call. Can I get a motion?

3320
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:46,239
>> Yeah.

3321
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:49,280
>> I'll make a motion to submit both of the

3322
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,159
projects presented by Mr. Huninger for

3323
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:56,800
the fall call for projects with CRTPO.

3324
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,440
>> All in favor unanimous.

3325
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:00,000
>> Thank you.

3326
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,280
>> All right. Thank you, Mayor.

3327
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,440
>> Thank you, Todd. All right. That brings

3328
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:07,440
us up to uh CRTPO update. I'll do on

3329
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,199
time. Sure. Also, Brooks, we're we're

3330
02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:14,310
getting down to the nitty-gritty.

3331
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:16,239
You tell me to take my time.

3332
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:17,920
>> No, no, but no. We're We're telling you

3333
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:19,440
we're doing good on time. Don't mess it

3334
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:22,550
up.

3335
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:25,599
» Well, thank you, Mr. Also Brooks. Um,

3336
02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:26,400
>> that was good.

3337
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,000
>> Councilman McIntyre would say Also

3338
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,639
Brooks. Clarence also Brooks.

3339
02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:34,149
All right.

3340
02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:37,040
Ready? All right. So, kind of catch up

3341
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:40,480
what's going on here on Monday, May

3342
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:43,920
11th. The city of Charlotte voted six to

3343
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:45,760
five to resend the support for the

3344
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:49,920
current I77 South Express lanes.

3345
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:51,920
From what I was told, it was kind of a

3346
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:53,679
spare of the moment thing that they

3347
02:15:53,679 --> 02:15:54,560
didn't really know what was going to

3348
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,960
happen. They had one council member that

3349
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,639
wasn't really sure which way they were

3350
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:00,560
going to lean, but the final result was

3351
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:04,000
a six to five. So, with that said, at

3352
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:06,320
the May CRTPO meeting, the mayor of

3353
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,960
Matthews made a motion for CRTPO's board

3354
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,199
to vote to follow Charlotte's footsteps

3355
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:13,840
and receing its support for the I77

3356
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:17,599
South Lane project. Um, now this item

3357
02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:19,679
wasn't on our agenda for the main

3358
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:22,800
meeting, so it needed a uh supermajority

3359
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:25,599
to pass. With that said, Charlotte, we

3360
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:27,119
have a weighted vote and Charlotte

3361
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:29,599
carries 40 votes. The motion pass with

3362
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:33,110
the supermajority.

3363
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:35,760
Are you advanced? Okay, there you go.

3364
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:39,040
Thank you. So, no, go ahead. You're

3365
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:44,000
doing a good job. Um, so after the uh

3366
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,120
that vote was cast to resend support,

3367
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:49,439
then soon after that, Senator Vicky

3368
02:16:49,439 --> 02:16:51,760
Sawya proposed language for bill Senate

3369
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:55,280
Bill 257. The language discussed that a

3370
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,439
reimbursement rule that would require

3371
02:16:57,439 --> 02:16:59,840
the municipalities of the no that voted

3372
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:02,960
to resend it support for the I77 South

3373
02:17:02,960 --> 02:17:05,920
Express lanes to be responsible repay NC

3374
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:09,120
DOT back between 6064 million for the

3375
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:12,880
primary the preliminary cost and I'm

3376
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:15,120
happy to say that Indian Trail was not

3377
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:18,160
part of that. Um, you know, we were not

3378
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:21,519
one of those municipalities. And with

3379
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:25,200
that said, I cast a vote that we did not

3380
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:30,150
rece

3381
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:31,920
on the agenda. I didn't have time to

3382
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:33,599
come back to the council to discuss

3383
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:37,439
anything. Um, so that was my decision at

3384
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:38,080
the time.

3385
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:39,840
>> Can I interrupt you for just one second?

3386
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:41,760
>> Yes, sir. I want to interrupt you and

3387
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:44,479
just say before you did that is Clarence

3388
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:47,200
did not vote with a majority, the super

3389
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:49,920
majority. He he voted against the super

3390
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:53,519
majority. Therefore, Indian Trail did

3391
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:58,399
not owe millions of dollars uh to

3392
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,880
for what what this is all about. And I'm

3393
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:06,000
just just saying that kudos to our CRTBO

3394
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:09,920
rep who I know

3395
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,679
Monrose

3396
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:13,920
got got caught up in all that and knows

3397
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,840
a couple of million dollar or they don't

3398
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:17,679
act could owe a couple of million

3399
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:20,160
dollars along with other towns. And I

3400
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:24,240
just just wanted it to be known that you did the right thing that you

3401
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:26,240
didn't join you didn't join the super

3402
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:30,160
majority. you didn't you didn't uh vote

3403
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:32,559
for an item that wasn't on the agenda

3404
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,479
that they put on the agenda and rush

3405
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:36,319
through and I'm just going to say good

3406
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:37,679
job and go on.

3407
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:40,080
>> Thank you. So, if we broke it down, uh

3408
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:43,120
what NC do is saying is they spend about

3409
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:45,920
$60 million to this point uh you know on

3410
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:50,800
this project and um excuse me and since

3411
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:52,960
we have a weighted vote, Indian Trail is

3412
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:56,319
at two votes. Uh we that's based on

3413
02:18:56,319 --> 02:18:58,479
population. Indian Trail is at about

3414
02:18:58,479 --> 02:19:01,040
45,000 in population. Once Indian Trail

3415
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:03,439
hits 50,000 then we will receive another

3416
02:19:03,439 --> 02:19:05,840
vote or unless something changes and

3417
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:07,840
then we have three votes. So what they

3418
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:10,160
did is they broke it down uh the 40

3419
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,800
votes of Charlotte was you know how much

3420
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:14,719
they would pay and then each other

3421
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:16,800
municipality that voted against it how

3422
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:18,399
much they would pay based on their vote

3423
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:22,000
which is based on the population. So

3424
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,240
with that said, at the July CRTPO

3425
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:27,280
meeting, a few municipality reps hinted

3426
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,679
that after having some discussion with

3427
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:31,599
their boards, they might have second

3428
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:35,040
thoughts about voting to resend. Um, so

3429
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,760
the motion, it was asked, the motion

3430
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:40,880
failed at that time, but we were advised

3431
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:42,960
that the money was still in step and

3432
02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:45,439
that we could cast another vote at the

3433
02:19:45,439 --> 02:19:49,200
September meeting. So with that said, um

3434
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:52,560
I want you to come back, present it to

3435
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:55,040
our two board members that are here now

3436
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,520
and uh see if you have any feedback. I

3437
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,200
strongly suggest that we continue the

3438
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:01,280
same path uh until we have more

3439
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:02,960
information or more information is

3440
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:06,960
available because uh NCA DOT was saying

3441
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,520
that they haven't presented um all their

3442
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:13,120
information yet. So,

3443
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:16,880
>> so um what whatever path you choose that

3444
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:18,800
we don't end up owing money is the path

3445
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:22,720
I said I suggest. Um, having said that,

3446
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:24,160
I I don't agree with that with a

3447
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:26,000
punitive measure, but I do think that

3448
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:28,319
the deliberation that you've, you know,

3449
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:30,800
you've engaged in has been very well

3450
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:33,200
serving and and I know the mayor talked

3451
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,720
about, you know, Clarence's um, uh,

3452
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:38,399
approach to this, but many of you didn't

3453
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:39,920
know Clarence was not on the town

3454
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:42,479
council and he was coming to every one

3455
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:44,720
of those CRTPO meetings because I was a

3456
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:47,040
representative, I think, at that time.

3457
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:51,600
And Clarence has taken an a very um he

3458
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,000
he's he's taken this on very seriously

3459
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,720
in that Charlotte as you know has 40

3460
02:20:56,720 --> 02:20:59,600
votes. We have two. So Charlotte always

3461
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:02,000
the projects kind of this bigger city in

3462
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:04,000
your you know big banks and other big

3463
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:06,080
companies there. But in Indian Trail

3464
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:07,760
Clarence being there at the table

3465
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:09,760
attending the meetings gives us

3466
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:11,760
representation that Todd and his team

3467
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:13,680
can present projects and we can get them

3468
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:16,640
funded. Right. So that kudos to Clarence

3469
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:19,520
for really taking this on and being our

3470
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:22,000
primary delegate to the fact that when I

3471
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:23,600
was on there, I never got up here and

3472
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:25,680
speak. So you can see he's elevated sort

3473
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,200
of the representation and what he's

3474
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,200
bringing back to the to the council and

3475
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,640
to the residents. So kudos to you,

3476
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:33,280
Clarence. But whatever path you choose

3477
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:35,359
that make sure we don't we don't pay but

3478
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:38,560
we get money, I'm I'm all right with it.

3479
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:41,120
>> Thank you.

3480
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:43,200
>> I second everything he just said. But

3481
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:45,760
no, honestly, you've you've obviously

3482
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:47,920
made a good decision whenever you were

3483
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:50,560
put under the pressure and I I fully

3484
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:52,560
support what you do.

3485
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,880
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

3486
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:58,479
>> Well, again, with that said, um

3487
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:01,920
I have not done this on my own. I've

3488
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,120
been supported and coached and mentored

3489
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:07,920
by, you know, various people. I

3490
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:09,760
appreciate that. The mayor himself, the

3491
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:11,760
mayor is the alternate. the mayor and I

3492
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:13,840
actually we still have discussions.

3493
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:15,840
He'll call me, he gets the agenda, he'll

3494
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,000
call me about things that are going on

3495
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,120
in CRTPO and we have that discussion and

3496
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:24,160
so I try my best to make sure that I

3497
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:26,720
don't go up there and say what Clarence

3498
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:29,600
wants to say. So, um it is something

3499
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:31,760
that I still continuously have

3500
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,319
conversation and I did sent to the town

3501
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:36,720
manager an email to send out to all the

3502
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,800
council so that the council could have

3503
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,920
feedback as well. So, all right. No

3504
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:44,319
other questions or comments?

3505
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:45,920
All right. Well, we'll keep it going

3506
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:46,640
then. Thank you.

3507
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:48,560
>> Hang on. There's one other thing that

3508
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:50,560
you had asked. Can you pull up that

3509
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:51,520
picture?

3510
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:55,600
>> Oh, okay. Actually, I do have a So,

3511
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:59,359
um, yes, we what we did, we have some

3512
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:01,680
citizens here, concerned citizens, and

3513
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:04,080
we got a phone call from a citizen that

3514
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:07,040
had some questions about their road and

3515
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:08,960
paving, and uh, thought it was a good

3516
02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:11,760
idea to get Phelix, who's the uh,

3517
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:15,200
engineer up there from or we got some NC

3518
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:18,479
DOT uh, reps up there, the mayor, Todd

3519
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:21,040
Huntinger, town manager, and myself. and

3520
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:22,720
we asked them to come down so that we

3521
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:26,319
can um so that they can see the

3522
02:23:26,319 --> 02:23:28,000
conditions of some of the roads in

3523
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:30,800
Indian trail and put eyes on it to u so

3524
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:33,040
that we can have a more in-depth

3525
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:35,600
conversation of the streets and the

3526
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:40,160
traffic in Indian trail. So, and I also

3527
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,080
I should have started a presentation

3528
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:45,120
with this, but I would like to do a did

3529
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:48,319
you know on my presentation and I have a

3530
02:23:48,319 --> 02:23:50,160
question. So, this is more of a question

3531
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,319
cuz I don't know. So, if you know that's

3532
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:54,479
good or what do you call someone who

3533
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:56,240
lives in Indian Trail? So,

3534
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:58,000
>> I call him an Indian trailian.

3535
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:59,040
>> That's what you call him.

3536
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:01,040
>> That's what I call him. But I mean, I

3537
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:01,520
don't know.

3538
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:03,280
>> I think we need an official. I'm not

3539
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:05,200
going to tell you what my wife calls me

3540
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:06,960
sometimes. And it's not necessarily

3541
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:09,280
Indian trilian, but no, she's I'm

3542
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:09,840
kidding.

3543
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,040
>> But do you call her?

3544
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:14,080
>> You know, being born born and raised, we

3545
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:17,040
never never we we stuck more with

3546
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:18,960
Spartans. We were we were proud to be

3547
02:24:18,960 --> 02:24:22,160
Sun Valley people. So we we never had

3548
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,080
anything to do as far as Indian trail

3549
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:26,160
goes. Again, Indian Trail was much

3550
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,160
smaller. It was about all the state

3551
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:29,439
chumps lived on in Sun Valley.

3552
02:24:29,439 --> 02:24:31,359
>> You got that right. You got that right.

3553
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:34,560
Um, but no, I I throw that question out

3554
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:36,720
to the community and I would like if

3555
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:39,520
anyone has any uh there's people been

3556
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:41,520
here longer than me, but or if anybody

3557
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,000
has any suggestions, I would like to

3558
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:47,359
know. So that's the do you know what

3559
02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:52,399
just good people call them that or and just to

3560
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:54,240
I think we ought to work on a flag for

3561
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:55,920
Indian Trail. I' I'd like to have our

3562
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:57,600
own flag, but that's don't we won't get

3563
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:58,880
in that discussion. Just something to

3564
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:00,240
think about. We'll call them good people

3565
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:01,840
that love their council and love to

3566
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:03,600
support their council. Everything they

3567
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:05,200
do, that's what we'll call them. Thank

3568
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:06,080
you. I appreciate it.

3569
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:09,359
>> Thank you, Clarence.

3570
02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:10,000
>> You're welcome.

3571
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:11,200
>> All right, this brings us up to the

3572
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:13,200
manager report.

3573
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:14,080
>> Mr. Mclam,

3574
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,080
>> I'll be short tonight. Just two things.

3575
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:19,760
Uh first one is Todd and his team got

3576
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:21,920
authorization to uh rideaway

3577
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,880
authorization today for

3578
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:29,439
uh highway 74 mixeduse path and greenway

3579
02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:32,000
from NC do. So we will start moving

3580
02:25:32,000 --> 02:25:33,760
forward on the rightway that we need for

3581
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:36,399
that project to keep it moving forward.

3582
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:39,439
Uh and the last one I will we are not

3583
02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:41,359
going to sing but I will say happy

3584
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:43,200
birthday to Miss Trina. It is her

3585
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:46,560
birthday today. So

3586
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:51,600
Well, I'll sing. No, I'm kidding. Just kidding. I wouldn't put

3587
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:53,280
you through that on your birthday. Thank

3588
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,680
you, Adam. Very, very good. Very good

3589
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:58,000
job tonight on all all that was

3590
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,080
explained. Brings us to council member

3591
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:01,439
comments.

3592
02:26:01,439 --> 02:26:02,640
>> Council member McIntyre.

3593
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:03,840
>> All right, let's go. Let's make it

3594
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:06,560
quick. Um,

3595
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:08,000
before I close tonight, I want to

3596
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:09,520
reflect on something special that

3597
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,840
happened in our community today. Um, we

3598
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,680
had the privilege of unveiling the

3599
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:17,040
street in honor of Mr. Jerham Sutton.

3600
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:18,800
Mr. Sutton means a great deal to this

3601
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:21,840
community and recognizing him reminds us

3602
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:24,720
of the lasting impact one person can

3603
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,319
have through service to others. I also

3604
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:30,399
want to thank Miss Bhalik for her

3605
02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:33,040
continued efforts with adopt cot.

3606
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:34,560
Supporting the men and women who serve

3607
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:37,040
and protect our community matters and we

3608
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,280
appreciate her commitment. And while

3609
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:41,120
we're talking about service, I'll say

3610
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:44,399
this. Public service requires courage.

3611
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:46,240
Leadership is not about showing up only

3612
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:48,560
when decisions are easy or the votes are

3613
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:51,200
comfortable. The people elect us to show

3614
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:53,920
up, take a position, cast the difficult

3615
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:57,200
votes, and be accountable to them. When

3616
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,760
the moment gets uncomfortable, that is

3617
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,560
precisely when leadership matters most.

3618
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:04,640
Avoiding a difficult decision does not

3619
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:07,760
make the responsibility disappear.

3620
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:09,680
In that same spirit of responsibility

3621
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:12,319
and service that's going to carry on

3622
02:27:12,319 --> 02:27:15,439
into our schools as the new year begins.

3623
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:17,600
My wife and I, one of our sons starts

3624
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:20,720
his college journey on Thursday. And we

3625
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:23,359
are incredibly proud of him. Of course,

3626
02:27:23,359 --> 02:27:27,120
there's one small benefit. His room is

3627
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:30,240
going to officially become my new gym. I

3628
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:35,040
also wish Mr. Mlam and Miss and Mrs. Cox

3629
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:36,640
and their families the very best as

3630
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:38,399
their children begin their college

3631
02:27:38,399 --> 02:27:40,880
journeys as well. To all of our students

3632
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:42,640
returning to elementary, middle, high

3633
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:45,120
school, college, I wish you a safe and

3634
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,600
successful year. And to our teachers,

3635
02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:49,359
educators, administrators, school

3636
02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:51,120
resource officers, crossing guards,

3637
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:53,280
cafeteria workers, coaches, and support

3638
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,240
staff. Thank you. Um my mother worked in

3639
02:27:56,240 --> 02:28:02,070
education for aboutif

3640
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:04,560
um working in education is more than a

3641
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:06,560
job. It's a vocation. We know they do

3642
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:09,040
not pay the teachers and and everybody

3643
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,520
else as much as they should but these

3644
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:13,040
are very important people within our

3645
02:28:13,040 --> 02:28:15,600
community and we are very grateful for

3646
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:18,240
the commitment to our children.

3647
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:19,840
Um,

3648
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:21,439
I want to thank each and every one of

3649
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:23,040
you for here tonight for putting up

3650
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:24,960
profess for listening to the questions

3651
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:28,000
that I asked and and and you know other

3652
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:30,080
um

3653
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:32,720
uh members of of the council asked. Um,

3654
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,560
we don't just ask this question in a

3655
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:36,080
vacuum. We ask them to really get

3656
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:37,520
information and to make informed

3657
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:39,680
decisions because we take this very

3658
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:41,920
seriously. Staff, I know it's a little

3659
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:43,520
bit late for you. We do appreciate all

3660
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:45,200
that you do. Um the good thing is we

3661
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:48,000
only have one month um one meeting this

3662
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:49,840
month before we get back to our two

3663
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:51,439
regular meetings. Mayor, thank you for

3664
02:28:51,439 --> 02:28:53,359
putting up with me. But to each of you

3665
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:55,200
who serve and who participate, I want to

3666
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:56,880
say thank you to each of you. You matter

3667
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:59,680
a lot to the community. It's an honor to

3668
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:01,439
sit up here and to be able to serve you

3669
02:29:01,439 --> 02:29:03,520
in the best that we can. And with that,

3670
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:05,200
I say to everybody, have a wonderful

3671
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,040
rest of the summer and have a pleasant

3672
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:08,640
evening.

3673
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:11,600
>> Council member Vholik.

3674
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:12,880
>> All right. Okay. See, I was going to say

3675
02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:15,120
I'm going to take all of Marcus's time,

3676
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,120
but then he talked a lot, so I'm going

3677
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:20,880
to make mine short, I hope. No. Um, I

3678
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:22,240
wanted to kind of piggyback a little

3679
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:24,560
bit. Uh, the unveiling today of was it

3680
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:26,240
Jerome Sutton Way? Correct. Yeah.

3681
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:28,800
>> Um, it just felt good. It felt good to

3682
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:30,319
do something good for someone who meant

3683
02:29:30,319 --> 02:29:32,399
so much. And as the cars drove by and

3684
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:34,720
people were honking and waving and just

3685
02:29:34,720 --> 02:29:36,240
seeing how it put a smile on his face

3686
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:38,160
and I looked at him and I said, "How do

3687
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:39,840
I get my name, you know, up there?" And

3688
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:41,439
he's like, "It's not for me. for the

3689
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:43,760
kids and that really truly does someone

3690
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:46,640
that's humble. It really shows us how

3691
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,880
good the people in Indian Troll are. So,

3692
02:29:48,880 --> 02:29:51,920
I also wanted to mention him. Um I hear

3693
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:54,319
congratulations are in order for someone

3694
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:57,359
Alicia. Um so, I wanted to say that. And

3695
02:29:57,359 --> 02:29:59,520
then let's see. I have a whole bunch of

3696
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:00,880
I'm trying really hard to make this

3697
02:30:00,880 --> 02:30:03,280
shorter. Um summer is always a little

3698
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:06,319
bit slower with meetings, but

3699
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:08,240
August starts things back up. So, I have

3700
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:10,640
a central line meeting tomorrow. um

3701
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:12,399
going back with the Chamber for Women in

3702
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:14,800
Business and Leadership Union coming up.

3703
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:16,160
So hopefully we'll get some ideas to

3704
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,640
bring back for council to maybe use in

3705
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:20,800
our town. And then I wanted to recognize

3706
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:22,319
Common Heart as they celebrated their

3707
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:24,960
20th anniversary recently. Um I did get

3708
02:30:24,960 --> 02:30:26,880
to go to that ribbon cutting which was

3709
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:28,880
really fun and it's really nice to see

3710
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:31,120
someone in our community again making

3711
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:34,080
such a difference. So um I already said

3712
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:36,080
thank you to all my adopt people. Again,

3713
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:37,280
thank you to the sheriff's department

3714
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:39,120
for keeping us safe. I know y'all are

3715
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:41,359
busy. Um hopefully I'll get to do a ride

3716
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:43,600
along soon and see how busy y'all are.

3717
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:45,280
Um but everybody, thank y'all for coming

3718
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:47,840
and have a great night.

3719
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:50,479
>> Council member Also Brooks,

3720
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:52,240
I want to say thank you to the citizens

3721
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:55,520
that are here tonight. Um and investing

3722
02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:56,960
in your government, seeing how your

3723
02:30:56,960 --> 02:30:59,520
government runs and being a part of it.

3724
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:01,680
Say congratulations to Miss Massie and

3725
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:04,720
Mr. Cobb on their promotions. Um, want

3726
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:06,720
to say happy birthday to Indian Trail

3727
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:10,640
Citizen Sherry Hammonds. Uh, this is

3728
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:13,040
fundraiser season. Crisis Assistance

3729
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,600
Ministries is having a fundraiser going

3730
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,600
on. I ask you to go to their website and

3731
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:19,680
look and feel free to donate if you feel

3732
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:21,439
led.

3733
02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:25,359
Um, the Veterans Memorial out there, I

3734
02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:26,479
want you to know that there are

3735
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:28,479
scholarships. If you know a veteran that

3736
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:30,880
needs your name out there, uh, and if a

3737
02:31:30,880 --> 02:31:32,560
scholarship is needed, you come talk to

3738
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:35,920
me, um, or Mr. Patrick Oconor back

3739
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:39,520
there, Mr. McIntyre, uh, not to single

3740
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:41,120
you out, but I want to say thank you for

3741
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:43,200
the questions that you asked this

3742
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:45,359
evening. Uh, those financial questions

3743
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:47,359
help me and it helps me learn more

3744
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:49,040
things that I don't think about. So, I

3745
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,200
greatly appreciate that.

3746
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:53,359
Um, also to the citizens, I would

3747
02:31:53,359 --> 02:31:55,680
encourage you to also watch the uh,

3748
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:57,600
planning board meetings. They go into a

3749
02:31:57,600 --> 02:31:59,120
little more depth on the things that you

3750
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:01,760
hear and because I can see it in your

3751
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:03,439
faces. Sometimes we're discussing things

3752
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:05,359
and if it goes over your head or it

3753
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:06,720
seems like, hey, they're not really

3754
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,160
getting into the meat of things. I

3755
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:09,359
encourage you to watch the planning

3756
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:11,600
board meetings as well and they're on

3757
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:14,479
YouTube. Also, I've always said thank

3758
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,479
you to the employees that work on

3759
02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:18,319
holidays so that we can enjoy whether

3760
02:32:18,319 --> 02:32:20,080
it's Fourth of July parade or whatever.

3761
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:23,280
We can enjoy things, but forgive me, I

3762
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:24,960
should be including law enforcement,

3763
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:27,200
first responders. They're there at the

3764
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:29,280
parades and things like that so that we

3765
02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:32,240
can um have a good time. And I never say

3766
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:35,280
thank you to our town attorney who does

3767
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:38,080
a great job as well. So, with that said,

3768
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:40,800
I really appreciate seeing everyone here

3769
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:43,040
tonight. Hope you continue to come. Hope

3770
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:45,520
you spread the good word in Indian Trail

3771
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,840
and I hope you bring people with us with

3772
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:49,600
you so they can see how their government

3773
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:52,240
runs. Have a good night.

3774
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:52,960
>> Very good.

3775
02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:54,240
>> Mayor Con,

3776
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:56,800
>> um I'd like to thank Lieutenant North.

3777
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:59,520
You did a good job tonight. Uh tell Andy

3778
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:00,880
he better not miss too many more

3779
02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:03,280
meetings. Uh that that you you did a

3780
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:06,560
great job. Also Jerome Sutton is quite a

3781
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:08,319
great guy and couldn't happen to a

3782
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:15,040
better person. and Marcus, thank you for being who you are and uh answer uh

3783
02:33:15,040 --> 02:33:17,920
asking those questions and and the same

3784
02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:19,840
to

3785
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,319
all of you. Um

3786
02:33:22,319 --> 02:33:24,319
you uh you're you're here tonight.

3787
02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:26,160
was a night night we had to

3788
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:28,800
answer some big questions and make some

3789
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:30,560
big decisions. And I think what you

3790
02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:33,120
said, Marcus, was was meant a lot. It

3791
02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:35,760
meant a lot. So, thank y'all. Real

3792
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,520
quick, I I meant to do this earlier. I

3793
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:39,120
didn't. I also wanted to tell you about

3794
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:41,200
what all I saw at the aquatic center.

3795
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:42,479
I'm not going to get into that. I'm

3796
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:44,800
going to save that for next time, but uh

3797
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:47,200
real quick, mayor's pretty busy this

3798
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:51,280
week. I think it's important that the public know that that I don't

3799
02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:54,399
sit around do nothing. Uh so, uh I went

3800
02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:57,840
to the co uh copper tapping uh tapping

3801
02:33:57,840 --> 02:34:00,319
table, new restaurant. It's where the uh

3802
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:02,880
East Coast wings were. Good restaurant.

3803
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:04,880
Um, they're going to be here the next

3804
02:34:04,880 --> 02:34:06,399
meeting and they're going to present

3805
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:07,680
something and I'm gonna try to talk them

3806
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:09,840
into bringing our food.

3807
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:11,439
>> Stick to stick.

3808
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:12,000
>> What now?

3809
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:13,280
>> Stick. I put my order stick.

3810
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,920
>> I put your steak. Okay. No, but but I am

3811
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:18,160
going to I'm going to try to see if I

3812
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:20,960
can do that. Uh, attended ABC board me

3813
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:23,040
uh in meeting and I think we're going to

3814
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,040
get a big check from pretty soon. I

3815
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:27,120
think that's really good. Uh, also

3816
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:29,359
attended the Crimestoppers lunch

3817
02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:31,680
meeting. Crimestoppers will be here in

3818
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:35,200
September uh for uh the meeting in

3819
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:36,960
Indian Trail. It's never been in Indian

3820
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:39,120
Trail. It's going to be here and I'm

3821
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:41,439
very proud of that. So, uh I'm glad it's

3822
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:43,840
coming. We had Facebook Live, a great

3823
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:47,840
meeting with the the Legion Post. We we

3824
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:50,560
talked to some good people there. Uh we

3825
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:53,840
had uh I I spoke at a um something

3826
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:57,280
called the convention estates at the um

3827
02:34:57,280 --> 02:34:59,520
uh Golden Corral on sat a couple of

3828
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:01,600
Saturdays ago. I was the guest speaker

3829
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:04,000
and I enjoyed it. It was it was a lot of

3830
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,399
fun. Uh coffee with the mayor this last

3831
02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:08,319
time was at the VFW. Some of you were

3832
02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:10,880
here were there. Uh I see in this room

3833
02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:13,600
were there. Uh it was great. Uh we had a

3834
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:16,000
big crowd there. Uh may the mayor cooked

3835
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,160
hamburgers and hot dogs and had good

3836
02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:20,800
stuff. And um before I forget to say

3837
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:23,600
this, I I I'm not taking credit for all

3838
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:25,520
this because staff helps me out a lot

3839
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:28,160
with all this stuff. Staff staff is uh

3840
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:31,120
behind the mayor 100%. We had some great

3841
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:34,000
questions. Uh and they got some answers.

3842
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:36,080
Uh went to Kimberly's place, moved to

3843
02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:37,439
Monroe. I don't know if anybody knew

3844
02:35:37,439 --> 02:35:40,160
that. Kimberly's Place used to uh be

3845
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:41,760
right here in town. They've got a nice

3846
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:43,920
place that they bought up in uh Monroe.

3847
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:45,439
very nice. Went up there and visited

3848
02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:49,040
them. Uh we did a uh a ride with the

3849
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:51,359
with DOT Clarence and I and you saw

3850
02:35:51,359 --> 02:35:53,920
everybody that was in that picture.

3851
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:56,800
Uh rode through some neighborhoods and

3852
02:35:56,800 --> 02:35:59,280
Wesley Chapel Road. Uh something I don't

3853
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:01,359
have on here and I wanted to say this. I

3854
02:36:01,359 --> 02:36:04,080
got a call from a resident the other day

3855
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,399
uh that was uh that actually complained

3856
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:10,240
about u uh rightfully so complained

3857
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:12,800
about Wesley Chapel Road. And uh I

3858
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:16,640
called DOT and um they said they'd try

3859
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:20,000
to help us out. They actually uh said we

3860
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:22,240
need to put some long they called them

3861
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:24,960
long patches and within two days they

3862
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:27,359
had two long patches on Wesley two or

3863
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:29,040
three long patches on Wesley Chapel

3864
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:31,439
Road. And uh that I thought that was

3865
02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:33,280
Have you seen them out there Clarence?

3866
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:38,720
Which is it's amazing uh that that it happened that fast. Um, uh, met

3867
02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:40,880
with the senior group downstairs, went

3868
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:43,840
to the aquatic center, met met with 316

3869
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:46,800
sports with, uh, John Sprinkle, uh,

3870
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:48,960
Ronnie Bowers and Jeff and Seth

3871
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:51,760
Sullivan, a Christian uh, sports here in

3872
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:54,160
town with First, it's not First Baptist

3873
02:36:54,160 --> 02:36:55,600
Church anymore. It is

3874
02:36:55,600 --> 02:36:56,560
>> Church of Indian Trail.

3875
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:58,479
Uh, we had

3876
02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:00,720
breakfast with the sheriff, ate with a

3877
02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:04,080
Andy and the chief, and Adam and myself

3878
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:07,280
about every month and a half. Uh Adam

3879
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:11,040
and I visited the uh residence that got

3880
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:13,359
flooded. Their yard got flooded and uh

3881
02:37:13,359 --> 02:37:16,800
Adam being the man he is um is going to

3882
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,160
try to work with them. I don't think

3883
02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:22,399
it's Indian Trail's fault at all. They had bought a house in a in a flood

3884
02:37:22,399 --> 02:37:25,439
zone. But it's just just who we are and

3885
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:27,200
it's just who you are, Adam. And it's

3886
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:29,040
just just what I'm so proud to work with

3887
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:30,399
the town that we're going to help them

3888
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:32,080
anyway or do our best to help them

3889
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:36,720
anyway. um stopped by Moore Park. Uh and

3890
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:39,120
uh I'd say Jim's left. I saw Jim and I

3891
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,520
saw multiple people for the water line

3892
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:45,040
there. There's y'all having some some uh

3893
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:47,120
bumps in the road over there putting

3894
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:50,160
that water line in. So, uh but anyway, I

3895
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:53,200
think it's getting straightened out. Um

3896
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:56,960
met with a couple cha Chaseep on some

3897
02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:59,600
future projects. Uh went to back to

3898
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:02,240
school bash on Saturday. Uh, man, I

3899
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:05,439
enjoyed that. Giving away uh uh some

3900
02:38:05,439 --> 02:38:08,560
bags and school supplies to children and

3901
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:10,800
uh we had some good food and it was just

3902
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:13,600
a great time. Uh went and worked with

3903
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:16,479
the Deerstein neighborhood. I uh Miss

3904
02:38:16,479 --> 02:38:20,880
Moore was here tonight uh and uh went

3905
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:22,399
worked with them. But without all that

3906
02:38:22,399 --> 02:38:26,000
being said, that the mayor gets pushed

3907
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:28,160
by the and helped by the staff and

3908
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:30,000
staff. Thank you so much, Adam. you're

3909
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,319
great to work with and council. I

3910
02:38:32,319 --> 02:38:33,840
appreciate all the ones that are here

3911
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,479
tonight. And uh with that being said,

3912
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:38,880
I'm I'm uh I think we've been here long

3913
02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:39,920
enough and I've been talking long

3914
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:41,520
enough. Uh what else? What do I need?

3915
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:42,319
>> Close session.

3916
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:45,280
>> What? Oh, we do have a close session.

3917
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:47,439
>> Oh,

3918
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:48,399
leave. You're not leaving.

3919
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:51,120
>> I forgot. I forgot. We have close

3920
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:54,640
session tonight. Okay. Well, I can still

3921
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:56,960
say I'm done, right? I'm done.

3922
02:38:56,960 --> 02:38:58,319
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought you were asking

3923
02:38:58,319 --> 02:38:59,439
for a motion to adjurnn.

3924
02:38:59,439 --> 02:39:03,280
>> No, no. I I'm I'm I'm done now. Okay.

3925
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:04,880
Now that I'm done, I say God bless

3926
02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:07,439
everybody and uh we are going into close

3927
02:39:07,439 --> 02:39:09,359
session. So, uh, we're going to, uh,

3928
02:39:09,359 --> 02:39:11,040
enter into close session under

3929
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:15,349
NCGS14331811A5

3930
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:18,160
to establish and instruct the staff, uh,

3931
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,960
or, uh, agent concerning the negotiation

3932
02:39:20,960 --> 02:39:23,920
of a piece, a price in terms of a

3933
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:28,000
contract concerning the acquisition.

3934
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:30,399
And on another page,

3935
02:39:30,399 --> 02:39:32,560
uh, acquisition of real property located

3936
02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:40,240
at, uh, 704 074 8019B and 07105036

3937
02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:43,439
and under NCGS134

3938
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:45,520
31811A3

3939
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:47,359
to consider and give instructions

3940
02:39:47,359 --> 02:39:49,680
concerning the following

3941
02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:51,920
judicial actions. Town of Indian Trail

3942
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:55,120
versus Liquid Management

3943
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:57,439
24 CV2.

3944
02:39:57,439 --> 02:39:57,920
What now?

3945
02:39:57,920 --> 02:39:58,640
>> You don't have to read the phone

3946
02:39:58,640 --> 02:39:59,040
numbers.

3947
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:00,319
>> I don't have to read that. Okay, very

3948
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:01,760
good. Do y'all want they

3949
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:03,680
>> town of Indian Trail versus PNG?

3950
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:04,479
>> Do what now?

3951
02:40:04,479 --> 02:40:06,160
>> In the second case, Town of Indian Trail

3952
02:40:06,160 --> 02:40:06,960
versus PNG.

3953
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:08,960
>> Town of Indian Trail versus

3954
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:11,040
>> PNG. Are you telling me I don't have to

3955
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:11,600
read that

3956
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:13,439
>> the file number? Just the case name.

3957
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:15,439
>> Oh, just just give it

3958
02:40:15,439 --> 02:40:16,800
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.

3959
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:18,160
>> And don't read the numbers.

3960
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:21,840
>> All right. LLC. Is that what you LLC uh

3961
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:25,429
24v2756-890.

3962
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:27,280
Can I get a motion?

3963
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:28,479
So move.

3964
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:31,200
>> Okay. All in favor. We're going into

3965
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:32,720
close session. Thank y'all for being

3966
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:33,200
here. Can

3967
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:35,520
>> I get a motion to come out of close

3968
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:36,880
session?

3969
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,000
>> All in favor?

3970
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:40,479
>> Motion to close close session.

3971
02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:42,000
>> Motion to come out of close session.

3972
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:45,040
>> Motion to return to open session.

3973
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:46,560
>> Motion to come on close session.

3974
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:48,560
>> It's fine. It's all fine. You got it

3975
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:50,960
right.

3976
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:51,040
Are

3977
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:52,960
>> you going to vote?

3978
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:53,840
Unanimous.

3979
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:57,280
>> Motion to close session.

3980
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:58,880
All in favor?

3981
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:00,560
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3982
02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:03,720
>> That's right.