[0:07] Good afternoon, everyone. It's
[0:10] Excuse me. On Wednesday,
[0:12] SEPTEMBER, the 9th 2026.
[0:13] Welcome to the public. Room of
[0:15] the city County building and
[0:16] the Public Safety Committee of
[0:17] the City County Council. We'll
[0:18] start introductions this
[0:20] evening with art cost to our
[0:23] left council running. Thank
[0:24] you, MR. CHAIRMAN Paul in a
[0:28] district. 22. Thank you, MR.
[0:29] Chair Brian Mowery District.
[0:31] 25. Thank you, MR. Cherry and
[0:36] Illini District 2. It perfect.
[0:36] Thank you, MR. Chaired up the
[0:39] Carlos Perkins District 6.
[0:40] Thanks, MISTER Everyone Keep
[0:43] Graves District 9. Thank you,
[0:44] MR. Chair Frankness Care
[0:46] District 19 southeast side.
[0:47] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Dan
[0:50] Boots District 3, Lawrence,
[0:51] Washington townships. I also
[0:52] we were Robertson chair, the
[0:54] committee. Represent District
[0:55] one. We have one guest council
[0:57] this evening. Council Brown.
[0:57] Thank you, MR. Chair Jesse
[1:00] Brown District 13. Thank you.
[1:02] Council. But first we have to
[1:03] presentation this evening.
[1:06] Going to 27 budget up first.
[1:07] Is it up, especially Park
[1:08] Police Department and chief
[1:10] talking to Terry and Welcome
[1:13] Thank you. CHAIRMAN Robinson,
[1:17] my mic working ok? Yes, Mary.
[1:18] All right. I'm gonna start
[1:21] with introductory remarks
[1:23] before I get into the actual
[1:26] presentation. And you'll hear
[1:28] from our cfo DePaul to my
[1:30] right with some details on the
[1:33] budget after I present an
[1:35] introductory presentation and
[1:36] then you'll hear some
[1:37] additional comments from me
[1:39] before we go into questions.
[1:42] So CHAIRMAN Robinson and
[1:44] members of the Public Safety
[1:45] and Criminal Justice
[1:45] Committee. Good evening and
[1:46] thank you for the opportunity
[1:47] to speak with you this
[1:49] evening. Want to begin by
[1:50] sharing my deep gratitude for
[1:53] each of you. For your support
[1:55] of the Annapolis Metropolitan
[1:56] Police Department and for the
[1:58] men and women who dedicate
[1:59] themselves to serving our city
[2:03] every single day. Also want to
[2:04] extend my sincere thanks to
[2:05] Mayor Hogsett for his
[2:06] leadership and for the budget
[2:08] proposal before you. This
[2:09] administration has
[2:10] demonstrated its support for
[2:13] impd year after year. And this
[2:14] proposed budget is yet another
[2:16] example of that. It's crucial
[2:19] to have a city that truly
[2:20] values understands and invests
[2:23] in its police department.
[2:24] Especially when we know that
[2:25] law enforcement agencies
[2:26] across the country are facing
[2:27] challenges in recruiting and
[2:29] retaining their officers. This
[2:32] budget provides that assurance
[2:34] backing words of support with
[2:35] meaningful action to ensure
[2:36] the men and women of impd have
[2:38] what they need to serve our
[2:39] community safely and
[2:42] effectively. I stood before
[2:44] you about 7 months ago when I
[2:45] was sworn in as chief of this
[2:49] great police Department. And
[2:50] that moment I tried to capture
[2:51] what I was feeling in just 3
[2:54] words. Honored, humbled and
[2:57] grateful. Today. Those words
[2:59] still ring true, perhaps even
[3:04] more than before. I thought I
[3:04] understood what I was stepping
[3:05] into when I accepted the role
[3:08] of chief. But the past several
[3:10] months have shown me the
[3:11] reality and no ways that I
[3:16] could prepare for. So
[3:17] alongside families and moments
[3:18] of heartbreak and watch our
[3:22] officers bring calm chaos.
[3:22] I've seen them run toward
[3:23] situations that would stop
[3:26] most people in their tracks. I
[3:28] watched the mentor, children
[3:30] check on our neighbors in need
[3:32] and quietly solve problems
[3:33] that never make the headlines
[3:35] but absolutely changed lives.
[3:37] These are not just stories of
[3:39] policing their stories of
[3:39] humanity, of courage and of
[3:46] service. Since then, we've had
[3:46] 5 officers shot. Several
[3:48] officers shot at. And officers
[3:50] attacked and injured simply
[3:52] for doing their job serving
[3:54] and protecting our community.
[3:57] I've stood alongside husbands
[3:59] and wives, family and friends
[3:59] and fellow officers have been
[4:03] witness to it all. The trauma
[4:04] they are repeatedly exposed to
[4:04] something I take extremely
[4:07] seriously. In order to serve
[4:07] our community the way it
[4:09] deserves to be served. We need
[4:11] healthy supported officers
[4:13] officers who can take days off
[4:16] who are compensated fairly and
[4:18] who are subjected to undue
[4:18] scrutiny when they're simply
[4:20] doing their jobs. These things
[4:22] matter. And I've seen
[4:24] firsthand the impact they have
[4:28] our officers. Our wellness
[4:30] unit is among the best in the
[4:32] country. And despite great
[4:33] progress at times, there's
[4:34] still stigma around asking for
[4:38] help. Especially when you're
[4:38] supposed to be the one who's
[4:42] helping others. Despite the
[4:43] mental and physical fatigue.
[4:44] And despite the public
[4:46] narrative surrounding safety
[4:47] in Indianapolis, officers
[4:48] continue to show up for their
[4:50] community doing more with less
[4:53] than ever before. You along
[4:55] with our community and our
[4:56] officers deserve to know
[4:59] exactly where things stand.
[5:00] That's why we've created the
[5:03] impd Transparency website. So
[5:05] neighbors can see the progress
[5:06] for themselves. Our community
[5:08] deserves full transparency,
[5:10] not opinions. Are rumors, but
[5:13] facts and real statistics.
[5:14] Don't just take someone's word
[5:17] for it. Review the data,
[5:18] follow the trends and see the
[5:21] facts. Since its launch in
[5:23] NOVEMBER of 2025, the site has
[5:26] averaged more than 1500 daily
[5:28] visits. And 47,000 monthly
[5:29] visits making it one of the
[5:30] city county's most visited
[5:33] resources. So where do things
[5:36] stand today? Our top priority
[5:40] remains keeping people safe.
[5:41] And today Indianapolis is
[5:41] seeing real measurable
[5:45] progress. Violent crime is
[5:48] down across nearly every major
[5:49] category with double-digit
[5:49] declines in homicides and
[5:51] non-fatal shootings. Property
[5:51] crime is also trending
[5:54] downward. These improvements
[5:56] are not accidental. And they
[5:57] don't belong to just one
[6:00] person. They're the result of
[6:02] focus strategies. Strong
[6:05] partnerships, data driven
[6:05] enforcement, growing community
[6:08] trust and above all. The
[6:09] dedication of the woman, a man
[6:13] of impd. We've seen lives
[6:14] saved because of the quick
[6:15] actions of our officers in the
[6:16] strong partnerships we have
[6:18] all across the city that
[6:19] commitment to protecting life
[6:23] is what drives us every day.
[6:24] And that focus must include
[6:24] some of our youngest
[6:28] neighbors. You've heard me say
[6:28] this before. The safety and
[6:31] well-being of our kids cannot
[6:34] rest on one group alone. It's
[6:38] a shared responsibility. While
[6:41] the overall numbers are
[6:42] declining, the proportion of
[6:42] youth involved in violent
[6:43] crime either as a victim or
[6:45] the suspect remain steady.
[6:48] That's a major concern for us.
[6:49] And one of the most urgent
[6:52] challenges we're facing. Impd
[6:53] remains committed to being
[6:54] proactive about keeping our
[6:55] kids safe. And that's why
[6:57] throughout the summer we
[6:58] increased patrols in areas
[6:59] where we know young people
[7:02] gather. We continue to enforce
[7:04] Indiana's curfew law when
[7:05] appropriate and prioritize
[7:06] outreach efforts focused on
[7:10] prevention. Curfew is a
[7:12] helpful tool, but reducing
[7:13] youth violence truly requires
[7:16] all of us working together.
[7:18] We've seen success with our
[7:19] connection Center, which pairs
[7:21] accountability with
[7:22] opportunity connects youth and
[7:23] their families to helpful
[7:24] resources through our
[7:26] community partners. Let me
[7:30] give you an example. We've
[7:30] intervene when young teenage
[7:32] girls were downtown getting
[7:33] drinks from an adult male who
[7:37] they did not know. And their
[7:37] parents that they were
[7:40] someplace else someplace safe.
[7:42] We've also called parents to
[7:43] come pick up their kids when
[7:43] they didn't even know they
[7:46] were gone. That's what
[7:46] prevention and intervention
[7:50] looks like. By working
[7:51] together through proactive
[7:53] policing curfew enforcement
[7:55] and immediate connections to
[7:56] services. We're building a
[7:58] system that helps step in
[7:59] violence is a chance to
[8:03] happen. But we also know law
[8:03] enforcement alone is not the
[8:07] answer. Our young people are
[8:09] our future and protecting that
[8:11] future is a responsibility. We
[8:14] must all share. That's why
[8:16] impd continues to focus on
[8:17] youth outreach. Parental
[8:18] engagement and diversion
[8:21] efforts. These efforts
[8:22] alongside community
[8:24] partnerships, give kids
[8:27] opportunities, keep families
[8:27] connected and reduce the risks
[8:31] that lead to violence. While
[8:32] we are proud of the progress
[8:34] we've made in reducing crime,
[8:35] we cannot lose focus. There's
[8:39] more work to be done. Too many
[8:40] lives are still being lost to
[8:41] violence, specifically gun
[8:43] violence. To the families who
[8:45] have lost loved ones. We
[8:48] grieve with you. Will continue
[8:50] to walk alongside you support
[8:52] you and we will not stop
[8:52] working to hold offenders
[8:57] accountable. And as our work
[8:58] progresses, so must our
[8:59] strategies. Criminals adapt
[9:04] and so must we. Leveraging
[9:05] smarter technologies and data
[9:05] driven approach is to stay
[9:06] ahead in the ever evolving
[9:10] world of public safety.
[9:11] Without a doubt, technology
[9:14] such as alp Ares help us solve
[9:14] crimes faster, remove violent
[9:16] offenders from our
[9:18] neighborhoods and locate
[9:19] endangered or missing people
[9:21] when time matters. The most.
[9:23] Our job is to keep people
[9:26] safe. And when a crime occurs,
[9:27] we're expected to use every
[9:28] tool available to find the
[9:32] person responsible. Whether by
[9:33] locating and endangered person
[9:34] are helping get a violent
[9:35] offender off the streets so
[9:37] they can't re offend Alp. Ours
[9:39] are a tool that has truly
[9:44] saved lives. That set. Misuse
[9:48] is unacceptable. Misuse hurts
[9:50] our credibility and erodes the
[9:50] public trust. That is
[9:53] essential to our mission.
[9:54] Technology itself is not the
[9:59] problem. Misuses. Last month.
[10:00] What I learned officer had
[10:02] used alprs for personal
[10:04] reasons. That officer was
[10:05] immediately placed on
[10:05] administrative duty with no
[10:07] police powers. Based on the
[10:10] facts gathered early in the
[10:11] investigation. I suspended him
[10:12] without pay and recommended
[10:13] his termination from our
[10:17] agency. Since then, we've
[10:17] taken clear steps to prevent
[10:21] misuse. A new policy has been
[10:22] issued. What you have in front
[10:25] of you this evening. Every
[10:26] alpr user had decided to keep
[10:28] their access. Those who didn't
[10:29] sign it had their access shut
[10:32] off. We also now require every
[10:33] search to be tied to a case or
[10:37] cad number. No exceptions. In
[10:38] the past that had been
[10:42] optional. Impd is also
[10:44] launched a new and stronger
[10:45] auditing process to identify
[10:46] potential misuse quickly and
[10:49] intervene early. Any facts or
[10:51] circumstances suggesting
[10:52] misuse will be thoroughly
[10:55] reviewed and investigated to
[10:56] ensure every search was
[10:57] conducted solely for a
[10:57] legitimate law enforcement
[11:02] purpose. Additionally, I
[11:03] continue to support
[11:06] legislation that guides prop
[11:07] or use of this technology also
[11:08] leveraging it to support our
[11:09] efforts and reducing crime and
[11:11] saving lives. We've already
[11:14] been in touch with legislators
[11:15] and look forward to working
[11:15] with them in the next
[11:19] legislative session. Holding
[11:21] ourselves accountable isn't
[11:22] easy, but it's how we grow how
[11:26] we learn. Impd is shown this
[11:27] community. We're willing to
[11:29] have tough conversations and
[11:31] from those challenges, real
[11:35] opportunities emerge. But
[11:38] accountability requires truth.
[11:39] Those conversations must be
[11:40] rooted in facts, not
[11:44] misinformation. Were rumors.
[11:45] That's why we provided a
[11:45] frequently asked questions
[11:49] fire on Alpr technology to
[11:49] provide our community with
[11:50] accurate information about
[11:53] what this tool does, how it
[11:58] works and who has access. As
[11:59] we continue to grow and
[11:59] improve, we will be guided by
[12:01] him for these first ever
[12:04] strategic plan. Implementation
[12:07] of this plan is now underway.
[12:09] Giving us direction for
[12:11] improving operations,
[12:11] strengthening trust, investing
[12:13] in our officers and
[12:14] professional staff and
[12:15] expanding innovative
[12:17] approaches to crime reduction.
[12:20] This plan ensures our work.
[12:21] He's guided not just by
[12:22] officer input but by community
[12:26] priorities. You helped shape
[12:27] these goals. And now it's on
[12:29] us to deliver results and said
[12:33] impd up for long-term success.
[12:34] So what would that success
[12:37] look like? Looking ahead, my
[12:40] priorities remain clear. With
[12:41] our strategic plan guiding us
[12:44] every step of the way success
[12:45] means we drive down violent
[12:48] crime even further. We'll do
[12:49] our part to hold accountable.
[12:51] Those who commit crimes of
[12:51] violence while also investing
[12:52] in prevention that stops
[12:55] violence before it starts
[12:57] less. Violence means more
[12:58] lives saved. And that's where
[12:59] our focus will stay in the
[13:01] coming year. Recruitment and
[13:05] retention. Our officers and
[13:06] professional staff are our
[13:08] most important asked important
[13:10] We prioritized fair
[13:11] compensation, meaningful time
[13:14] off and access to resources
[13:15] and technology. They need to
[13:18] succeed. Soon. We will launch
[13:19] a professional development
[13:20] program to expand learning
[13:24] opportunities and growth.
[13:24] Investing in our officers
[13:26] helps the department deliver
[13:27] safer, more effective policing
[13:30] for our community. Supporting
[13:31] our officers and professional
[13:35] staff. When our officers are
[13:36] healthy, supported and well
[13:37] trained, they're able to show
[13:42] up stronger for our community.
[13:42] That's why we're investing and
[13:43] well-being, training and
[13:46] development giving our teams
[13:47] the tools time and support.
[13:49] They need to do their jobs
[13:50] with professionalism and
[13:55] integrity. Expanding community
[13:56] partnerships. Public safety is
[13:58] something we build together.
[14:02] Impd cannot do this alone.
[14:03] Trust and collaboration with
[14:07] our community are essential.
[14:08] We'll keep strengthening
[14:09] relationships being
[14:10] transparent and making sure
[14:11] our neighbors have a real
[14:11] voice in shaping how their
[14:14] neighborhoods are policed when
[14:16] we work side by side, we
[14:17] create safer, stronger
[14:20] communities. Leverage,
[14:24] technology and data. Our
[14:25] community expects us to solve
[14:25] crimes and hold people
[14:27] accountable after violence has
[14:29] occurred to meet that
[14:30] responsibility. We must also
[14:31] use technology and data
[14:34] lawfully and effectively. We
[14:35] will continue building on the
[14:37] work of our analysts, the real
[14:38] time crime center and our
[14:40] officers making sure they have
[14:41] the tools and resources to
[14:43] turn information into action
[14:47] and action into safety. Using
[14:48] resources wisely. We're
[14:50] focused on maximizing
[14:51] efficiency, reducing
[14:53] unnecessary demands on
[14:56] officers. Time and making sure
[14:57] taxpayer dollars are used
[14:59] responsibly and effectively.
[15:02] We use resources wisely
[15:03] officers spend less time on
[15:04] task to pull them away from
[15:07] the community. More time
[15:08] responding and responding to
[15:09] calls building relationships
[15:13] and solving problems. Every
[15:14] dollar saved and every minute
[15:17] free dup means better service.
[15:18] Faster response and say for
[15:22] Indianapolis. The proposed
[15:23] budget before us highlights
[15:25] what truly matters. Keeps our
[15:27] progress in crime reduction
[15:28] moving forward, making sure
[15:29] officers have the training and
[15:32] equipment they need in our
[15:32] community partnerships,
[15:33] country continue to drive
[15:37] lasting change. I'm grateful
[15:39] to Mayor Hogsett for his
[15:40] continued support to the
[15:42] CHAIRMAN And committee for
[15:43] your guidance into our
[15:44] community and public safety
[15:46] partners for walking this path
[15:47] with us, your trust together
[15:49] with the did dedication of our
[15:49] officers and professional
[15:52] staff. Is what makes real
[15:54] progress possible. We know the
[15:56] work isn't finished, but with
[15:59] your partnership. We'll keep
[16:01] moving forward. Keep building
[16:01] momentum and keep shaping a
[16:02] safer in Annapolis for
[16:17] everyone. Thanks to. Going to
[16:18] get our budget presentation
[16:20] before I pass it over to our
[16:22] cfo. Sure, walk through the
[16:23] detailed budget, but I want to
[16:25] set the stage to talk about
[16:26] impd is officers the progress
[16:26] we've made and how we intend
[16:32] to move here. On the screen.
[16:33] You see this is our new
[16:35] mission statement that was
[16:35] developed. Marsh should
[16:39] strategic plan. It was formed
[16:41] from input from within our
[16:42] agency, by our officers that
[16:44] are sworn our professional
[16:46] staff. It was also formed from
[16:48] community input and feedback.
[16:51] Community feedback. That was
[16:51] derived from every zip code
[16:53] with in Marion County. So I do
[16:56] want to read it to you. So you
[16:58] know what to expect from your
[16:59] impd today tomorrow and in the
[17:02] future. Impd serves with
[17:05] courage and compassion.
[17:07] Partnering with our community
[17:08] to address crime and create a
[17:10] safer Indianapolis for
[17:11] everyone who lives works and
[17:15] visits here. This is a simple
[17:17] statement, but it's quite
[17:18] intentional. The words were
[17:21] chosen. After rigorous
[17:23] discussion and feedback many
[17:25] revisions. Courage and
[17:28] compassion. We need both to
[17:29] carry out our mission
[17:32] effectively. Because we know
[17:34] we can't do it alone and we're
[17:34] stronger when we work
[17:39] together. The safe indy for
[17:40] everyone regardless of race,
[17:42] creed, color, background and
[17:45] even immigration status.
[17:47] That's our new mission
[17:48] statement. And I'm extremely
[17:49] proud that it was developed
[17:50] with input from internally and
[17:54] externally. Additionally,
[17:55] you'll see our service area
[17:55] consist of Indianapolis,
[17:57] Marion County, which is more
[17:58] than 400 square miles. We
[18:00] serve nearly 900,000
[18:02] residents, not including
[18:02] Lawrence Beech Grove Speedway
[18:06] and so forth. We currently
[18:11] have. 1383 sworn officers who
[18:12] come to work every day to make
[18:16] Indianapolis a safer place. We
[18:17] are a 360 officers short of
[18:18] our authorized strength of 17.
[18:22] 43. I know each year there are
[18:23] questions about why we ask
[18:27] tough and 1743 officers. Also
[18:28] a cheer. You ask how you can
[18:33] help improve recruiting.
[18:34] Funding 1743 officers. One is
[18:35] one of the most impactful ways
[18:38] that you can help us. It
[18:39] demonstrates to potential
[18:40] recruits. The Indianapolis is
[18:42] serious about building a
[18:44] fully-staffed resilient police
[18:46] Department and you're
[18:46] committed to investing in the
[18:47] officers who protect our
[18:52] neighborhoods. Setting
[18:53] funding, setting in funding.
[18:54] This number of officers also
[18:55] sends a strong message to our
[18:58] community. The Indianapolis
[18:58] Value Safety understands the
[19:01] challenges of modern policing
[19:02] and he's committed to
[19:03] investing in the officers who
[19:06] keep our city safe.
[19:07] Additionally, we never know
[19:08] what our recruiting classes
[19:10] are going to look like. We
[19:11] could get a surge in
[19:13] applicants and then we would
[19:14] certainly need the available
[19:17] funding to support them. Right
[19:18] now we have more than 30
[19:19] recruits going through the
[19:21] academy. It's the largest
[19:23] class we've seen in the last 4
[19:24] years. Our next class is also
[19:26] projected to be of a similar
[19:27] size. So we are trending in
[19:31] the right direction. One of
[19:32] the most important factors is
[19:33] that funding for authorized
[19:34] strength allows us to utilize
[19:37] that money to cover our
[19:37] staffing shortages with
[19:39] overtime shifts. It's very
[19:43] similar to how ifd would staff
[19:44] a fire engine. It might
[19:46] require a fireman to be on a
[19:48] truck. And when they're short
[19:50] of a firefighter for whatever
[19:50] reason they hire back to fill
[19:53] that shortage shortage. It is
[19:56] essential that are of
[19:59] districts and patrol shifts
[20:00] are staffed appropriately so
[20:01] we can safely and effectively
[20:02] serve our community. And those
[20:04] shortages are often filled
[20:04] with overtime shifts. And
[20:08] that's a daily occurrence.
[20:09] Also, I'd like to know that if
[20:12] we did have all 1743 seats
[20:13] filled, we would actually
[20:14] spend more money on staffing
[20:17] and personnel. The current
[20:20] budget funds, 1743 positions.
[20:22] They're at the recruits
[20:24] starting salary. Every seat
[20:25] were filled, our actual
[20:26] personnel costs would be
[20:27] higher because officers
[20:28] actually earn more than the
[20:29] starting pay rate. Ms budget
[20:31] is already tight and it's not
[20:36] padded. I'd also like to know
[20:38] that if we need, if we needed
[20:39] to make any changes to our
[20:40] character, one budget that
[20:42] would require approval. So
[20:43] that's element of transparency
[20:46] within our budget. Based on
[20:49] the current numbers, a budget
[20:51] of 1743 were looking at
[20:52] breaking even in character.
[20:54] One this year were in 2027, I
[20:55] should say. And we don't have
[20:56] any extra money sitting around
[21:03] unused. So I think that would
[21:04] sufficiently explain an
[21:06] argument for why we continuing
[21:09] come to you and ask you to
[21:10] continue to authorize our
[21:12] strength of 1743 officers in
[21:15] budget forward accordingly.
[21:18] Our agency also has 220
[21:19] professional staff. We're
[21:22] short, 67 positions of our 287
[21:23] authorize a professional staff
[21:27] positions. This slide shows
[21:28] you are historical staffing
[21:32] levels. It represents the
[21:33] reality of what we're doing
[21:35] with your airline pd. We do
[21:36] have to make difficult
[21:37] decisions because we have
[21:39] fewer resources available. We
[21:40] want to do more. But
[21:42] unfortunately, we just don't
[21:43] have the staffing to do all of
[21:44] the things that we would like
[21:47] to do. Our priorities remain
[21:48] going after violent offenders
[21:49] and responding to 9-1-1.
[21:53] Calls. Not reflected in our
[21:55] number of hires in 2026. Is
[21:56] our latest class which U.S.
[21:59] Were in an AUGUST includes
[22:00] over 30 Actually, we've hired
[22:02] a total of 53. There's 53
[22:06] officers this year and we are
[22:07] scheduled to swear in a class
[22:16] in DECEMBER. Is our agency
[22:17] demographics for sworn
[22:20] officers and our leadership.
[22:20] It's our goal have a
[22:21] department that is reflective
[22:23] of the community that we serve
[22:25] that way. Our officers can
[22:27] relate understand different
[22:31] perspectives and foster trust.
[22:32] The department has written
[22:33] representation is one that can
[22:33] truly earn and maintain
[22:35] public. Trust. I'm so proud to
[22:38] say that my leadership team
[22:40] also reflects a diverse group
[22:41] of people. It's one of the
[22:41] most diverse leadership teams
[22:44] in the agency's history. I
[22:47] would like to know that I did
[22:48] become the first female police
[22:49] chief of our agency and its
[22:53] history this year and 30% of
[22:54] my command staff is black or
[22:55] Hispanic and nearly 20% are
[23:00] women. Continuing with
[23:02] demographics. Our current
[23:05] recruit class actually has
[23:06] started with 11 women. It's
[23:06] one of the largest female
[23:11] classes to date. Overall. Our
[23:12] agency. He's represented by
[23:14] 13% female officers, which is
[23:15] just about the national
[23:20] average. We did several years
[23:22] ago pledged work toward a goal
[23:26] of a 30% female recruit class
[23:28] and each recruit class by the
[23:29] year 2030. That's why called
[23:33] the 30 by 30 pledge. We also
[23:35] try to recruit more women by
[23:35] holding an annual event called
[23:38] her better. In fact, it does
[23:39] showcase other women officers
[23:42] to our community. We actually
[23:44] understand the importance of
[23:45] having female officers
[23:46] represented thrower throughout
[23:47] our rings, especially in our
[23:50] community, which is consistent
[23:51] consistently just over 50% of
[23:55] our population. We know that
[23:56] female officers also have
[23:57] fewer uses of force, fewer
[23:59] complaints are likely to use
[24:01] their words for de-escalation
[24:03] and they serve with
[24:04] compassion. So there's
[24:07] multitude of reasons why
[24:08] prioritizing on agency that's
[24:09] reflective our of our
[24:11] community is beneficial not
[24:12] only for the agency but
[24:13] beneficial for the community.
[24:18] We serve us well. This graph
[24:21] shows the breakdown of our
[24:22] professional staff, our
[24:23] professional staff. I would
[24:24] like to say and emphasize is
[24:28] the backbone of our agency. It
[24:29] is predominantly women with
[24:30] women making up 67%. Men
[24:33] making up 33% and less like to
[24:34] know that there's no disparity
[24:35] in pay between men and women
[24:36] amongst our professional
[24:41] staff. And we're learning we
[24:42] continue to lean more on
[24:43] professional staff to help
[24:45] ease the burden on sworn
[24:47] officers. We do utilize public
[24:50] safety officers, public
[24:51] assistance officers to crash
[24:52] investigations. We have
[24:53] analysts that are heavily
[24:55] involved in helping us solve
[24:57] crimes prevent crimes. We have
[24:58] public assistance officers are
[25:02] handling then checks. And
[25:03] essentially our professional
[25:06] staff are taking over more and
[25:07] responsibilities that have
[25:09] been in the past handled by
[25:11] some of our sworn officers. So
[25:12] we're continually looking for
[25:12] opportunities to expand on
[25:18] those responsibilities.
[25:21] Alright, retention strategies.
[25:23] These also apply to recruiting
[25:24] strategies. They definitely go
[25:28] closely hand in hand. Just
[25:30] last week our officers voted
[25:32] to approve a 10 hour shift
[25:32] model for agency following 8
[25:36] month pilot. This change
[25:37] allows officers a better work
[25:39] health balance with more days
[25:40] off, totaling about 37 more
[25:42] days off throughout the year
[25:43] while still working the same
[25:45] amount of hours shifts are
[25:48] built to overlap during the
[25:49] busiest calls for service
[25:52] hours. We also offer one of
[25:53] the highest starting salaries
[25:56] in the Midwest. Officer
[25:57] Wellness is a huge part of
[25:58] keeping our officers healthy
[25:59] and on the force for a long
[26:00] time so that they can retire
[26:02] in one piece, both physically
[26:07] and mentally. We've added
[26:08] benefits like 12 weeks of
[26:10] parental leave. Language pay
[26:14] and a uniform allowance. We
[26:14] offer more career
[26:15] opportunities along with
[26:17] professional development. We
[26:19] offer options to join
[26:21] specialty units and we also
[26:21] offer details throughout
[26:24] officers careers. Details to
[26:30] other units for exposure.
[26:31] We're also in the early stages
[26:32] of creating an Academy of
[26:35] continuing Education. For
[26:37] short ace. You can see that on
[26:39] the slide. This will provide
[26:40] officers with opportunities to
[26:41] take courses with specific
[26:44] career pass and mine, which is
[26:45] part of the feedback we've
[26:48] heard from our our officers is
[26:49] that they need more
[26:50] opportunities to know what
[26:50] career passing looks like
[26:54] within our agency. We also
[26:55] take the time to celebrate our
[26:56] officers successes with an
[26:58] annual awards ceremony. And
[26:59] every month district celebrate
[27:00] officers of the month all
[27:06] throughout the year. Officer
[27:07] training, education and
[27:08] training are essential to our
[27:12] mission and our vision. Our
[27:13] recruits complete. 26 weeks of
[27:14] training. While in the
[27:15] Catholic Academy. But our
[27:18] training does not stop there.
[27:20] We also continue to invest in
[27:20] crisis intervention training
[27:23] with each recruit class. After
[27:24] the academy officers are
[27:25] trained throughout their
[27:26] careers because of the
[27:27] profession is in constant
[27:29] change in flux. We have to
[27:31] keep up. Training goes beyond
[27:36] firearms. We trained to
[27:37] respond to critical incidents.
[27:39] Implicit bias training,
[27:42] defensive tactics. And while
[27:44] acronym is called iccat
[27:45] Integrated Communications
[27:46] Assessment and Tactics which
[27:49] teaches officers to slow down
[27:50] communicate clearly plan
[27:51] tactical positions and avoid
[27:52] creating rushed for dangerous
[27:57] situations. Supervisors
[27:57] receive additional training on
[27:59] top of that. And we're
[28:00] exploring ways to Expand
[28:04] leadership training. Our
[28:05] first-line supervisors have
[28:06] the greatest influence on the
[28:07] culture and direction of our
[28:09] agency. They play such a vital
[28:09] role that this is a priority
[28:12] for the department were
[28:13] participating in a consortium
[28:16] to advance police supervision
[28:17] called caps. And a first-line
[28:18] supervision study with the
[28:20] Ohio State University, we also
[28:23] provide a leadership Academy
[28:25] for officers and supervisors
[28:26] to enhance training. They've
[28:31] already had. We are grateful
[28:35] to the council for approving
[28:36] the spring fiscal to pay off
[28:37] installments early regarding
[28:41] our fleet. This will free up
[28:42] funding so that we are able to
[28:45] purchase approximately 180
[28:47] vehicles and we will continue
[28:49] to work at them. And our
[28:50] council to continue to meet
[28:53] our ongoing needs. Annually.
[28:55] We need about 300 year 300
[28:57] vehicles per year in order
[28:58] keep our fleet current and
[29:01] up-to-date. Needs are based on
[29:05] the age of cars. The mileage,
[29:06] Anand, it's it's really just
[29:07] more than a car to our
[29:09] officers. There's a direct
[29:09] correlation between community
[29:10] response and the health of our
[29:14] fleet. This is where officers
[29:16] spent a majority of their day
[29:19] over 10 hours a day. It's
[29:20] their office. And if they're
[29:22] responding to a call for help
[29:23] or call for service, they have
[29:25] to have a reliable method of
[29:26] transportation to get there
[29:32] safely and effectively.
[29:34] Alright, progress and
[29:36] improvements. You'll hear me
[29:36] talk a little bit more detail
[29:39] about each of these topics
[29:41] that you'll see violence
[29:43] reduction is at a five-year
[29:45] low recoup recruitment and
[29:45] retention efforts are more
[29:47] intentional, inconsistent with
[29:47] applicants with a focus on
[29:50] marketing and engagement. Our
[29:51] early stages of our strategic
[29:52] plan are being implemented and
[29:56] to our department technology
[29:56] helps us all that the violent
[29:57] crimes efficiently and
[30:00] effectively. Making hundreds
[30:01] of connections and meetings
[30:04] through our community
[30:05] engagement. Our mcat and
[30:06] homeless outreach unit connect
[30:10] to our vulnerable neighbors.
[30:11] Connecting them with critical
[30:11] resources and support
[30:15] services. And we continue to
[30:17] expand on officer wellness and
[30:18] provide officers with tools
[30:19] and resources to keep a
[30:20] well-balanced work. Health
[30:25] relationship. These violent
[30:28] crime and property crime
[30:30] statistics. These numbers show
[30:33] a 5 year decline in violent
[30:33] crime categories, including
[30:35] criminal homicides and
[30:36] non-fatal shootings. You can
[30:37] see that every category
[30:39] showing a decrease of 40% or
[30:41] better with the exception of
[30:41] property crime coming in at
[30:46] 25%. These numbers are
[30:47] outpacing the national trends
[30:48] of violence reduction across
[30:52] the country. Our gun violence
[30:52] reduction strategy started in
[30:56] 2021. We continue to remain
[30:58] focused on people, places and
[30:58] behaviors that are responsible
[31:01] for violent crime. And we
[31:02] recognize that it will
[31:03] continue to get more and more
[31:06] difficult to keep reductions
[31:07] at this pace. But that doesn't
[31:11] mean that we're going to stop.
[31:12] We'll build on those community
[31:13] partnerships, especially
[31:13] resources that target
[31:14] juveniles involved in gun
[31:15] violence and traumatic
[31:22] incidents. Some are our
[31:22] successes in violence
[31:24] reduction continued you'll see
[31:28] a pat on the side there. Our
[31:29] Indiana Crime Guns Task Force
[31:30] is a critical part in driving
[31:32] the violence and it
[31:34] contributes those to those
[31:35] slides there. 223 firearms
[31:38] seized. 19 machine gun
[31:42] conversion devices recovered.
[31:43] That's an incredible amount of
[31:45] fire power when those machine
[31:46] gun conversion devices are
[31:50] used within our community, the
[31:50] carnage and destruction that
[31:55] impact that they have is just
[31:57] incredible. And they simply
[31:58] just can't be So those bullets
[31:59] are just going anywhere and
[32:04] everywhere. Additionally,
[32:05] you'll see on that slide. Our
[32:06] District Violent crimes task
[32:09] force and violence reduction
[32:10] teams, contributions forsman
[32:12] efforts are targeting known
[32:14] crime contributors, focus
[32:15] location, policing, finding
[32:17] those locations that have high
[32:18] Crime Inc. Also working with
[32:19] our Indiana crimes, Guns Task
[32:23] Force. Identifying those who
[32:26] are most at risk of being
[32:27] involved in violence in our
[32:28] community and targeting them
[32:29] to prevent future violence and
[32:35] hold them accountable. I know
[32:36] the slide is a little bit
[32:37] small and hard to read.
[32:38] Hopefully you have a copy of
[32:39] the budget slides in front of
[32:46] you. But you can see that the
[32:46] the trends are consistent with
[32:47] what we've already shared
[32:49] about overall violence
[32:51] reduction, the numbers of
[32:54] youth that are impacted by
[32:55] homicides and non-fatal
[32:59] shootings have gone down. I
[32:59] would add that one cabbie out
[33:04] that the proportion. Of youth
[33:06] involved in our non-fatal
[33:07] shootings is up nearly 5 and a
[33:11] half percent. And all that
[33:13] means is that it's a slight
[33:14] increase in the proportion.
[33:14] When you compare the number of
[33:15] adults that have been involved
[33:18] in non-fatal shootings
[33:18] compared to the number of
[33:22] juveniles. Overall, fewer kids
[33:23] have been in impacted by
[33:27] violent crime. But I'd like to
[33:28] see an even bigger reduction
[33:29] in this particular area. I'd
[33:32] also like to know that we
[33:34] hosted several major events
[33:35] downtown throughout the summer
[33:38] for a second to. Might ask you
[33:43] have a seat. You don't like
[33:47] seeing What are cops a point
[33:48] of order? Absolutely. Frank,
[33:51] it's a point of order. It's
[33:53] unbelievable. What are cops
[33:54] did instead we take a moment
[33:55] see right behind. You have see
[34:02] back there. Thank you,
[34:06] CHAIRMAN. As I was saying,
[34:08] we've hosted several major
[34:09] events downtown throughout the
[34:11] summer. And while we saw an
[34:13] increase in news that we're
[34:13] out and about during those
[34:14] events, not a single young
[34:18] life was lost. Curfew allowed
[34:18] us to intervene early in our
[34:20] proactive efforts. Help
[34:21] mitigate issues before they
[34:24] could escalate. These outcomes
[34:25] matter. The fact that we've
[34:27] had fewer lives lost. You're
[34:29] young lives impacted by gun
[34:29] violence deserve some
[34:39] recognition. Was deserve some
[34:41] All right. I still continuing
[34:47] continuing with successes on
[34:49] the recruitment and retention
[34:50] remains our number one
[34:53] priority our strategic plan.
[34:54] We want to recruit people who
[34:57] have a heart to serve with
[35:01] integrity. In fairness, people
[35:01] who want to impact their
[35:02] community to stand up for
[35:03] those who can't stand up for
[35:04] themselves. And make a
[35:07] difference in their community.
[35:09] Again, we have more than 30
[35:11] recruits are current class
[35:11] with it, which is a
[35:12] significant increase from the
[35:15] last 4 years. I recruiting
[35:17] team has been restructured and
[35:18] is now under their training
[35:21] academy, which streamlines
[35:23] recruiting hiring and initial
[35:24] training process for recruit
[35:28] officers. The recruiting team
[35:28] is also bringing in new
[35:31] initiatives and fresh ideas.
[35:32] We've launched a new
[35:33] onboarding questionnaire to
[35:35] learn how recruits learned
[35:37] about impd and why they chose
[35:38] our department. So we have
[35:38] data on how applicants are
[35:42] hearing about We're having
[35:43] more consistent communication
[35:45] with our applicants staying in
[35:46] touch with them throughout the
[35:47] hiring process to keep their
[35:48] excitement up about. Joining
[35:52] impd. We're tracking return on
[35:55] investment on all events,
[35:55] partnerships and recruiting
[35:56] efforts in evaluating our
[35:57] processes to ensure we're
[35:59] focusing those efforts in the
[36:00] right places and engaging with
[36:03] the right people. New
[36:05] initiatives also mean new
[36:06] strategies. We have new events
[36:07] for recruits to give them
[36:10] unique insights into impd
[36:11] Schiff. 0 allows our recruits
[36:13] to meet specially units.
[36:16] Detectives and even chiefs and
[36:17] tour our facilities while
[36:17] they're considering a career
[36:21] was impd. Our applicants
[36:23] scenarios allow for strong
[36:24] candidates to have a hands-on
[36:25] experience out of her. She
[36:28] will some of you in our
[36:28] council have experienced what
[36:29] her shovels like and what
[36:30] scenario-based training can
[36:32] do. And that experience for
[36:33] potential applicants is simply
[36:37] invaluable. Also leveraging
[36:38] partnerships with military and
[36:42] colleges for great exposure.
[36:43] And are joined impd social
[36:44] channels you MAY seen have MAY
[36:45] have seen as leaning into
[36:46] storytelling showing what
[36:48] policing really looks like
[36:50] body-worn camera.
[37:04] Over 1700 seconds.
[37:16] Sharia. Those in the audience
[37:17] will have a chance to speak at
[37:18] the conclusion of
[37:18] representation. So if you want
[37:21] to sign up here, you have a
[37:22] chance to speak to the
[37:23] audience was we have public
[37:27] testimony. Thank you, Chief.
[37:28] So as I was talking about, our
[37:29] social media strategy as it
[37:31] relates to recruitment, we're
[37:32] showing what policing really
[37:34] looks like through body-worn
[37:36] camera footage. Social media
[37:37] gives us the chance to connect
[37:38] with people far beyond
[37:39] Indianapolis and raising it to
[37:43] build those bridges. We also
[37:43] incorporated a new functional
[37:44] fitness tests which was born
[37:46] out of the state standard.
[37:48] This exposes applicants to the
[37:49] physical demands of being an
[37:51] officer. We also offer that
[37:52] functional fitness tests,
[37:55] which isn't new hiring
[37:57] standard monthly to allow
[37:58] potential applicants to test
[38:00] their skills and learn the new
[38:01] test before they actually go
[38:06] during the hiring process. Our
[38:07] strategic plan was published
[38:10] earlier this year in FEBRUARY.
[38:11] And since then, we have
[38:12] created and executive staff
[38:14] position to oversee. It's
[38:16] progress and implementation
[38:19] are 2 priorities this year,
[38:19] our recruiting and retention,
[38:20] which you've already heard me
[38:23] emphasize. And we're
[38:24] identifying gaps in our
[38:26] community partnerships, making
[38:27] intentional expansion of
[38:28] relationships to represent our
[38:33] community. We often talk about
[38:33] community partnerships and
[38:34] we're fortunate to have so
[38:37] many. But we know we need more
[38:39] to truly serve Indy. Our
[38:41] partners must represent every
[38:43] neighborhood race, religion,
[38:45] orientation and ethnicity.
[38:45] That's why we're working to
[38:48] document who our partners are.
[38:50] So we can identify where the
[38:51] gaps exist and take action to
[38:57] make new connections.
[38:58] Technology continues to be a
[38:59] game changer for impd. It
[39:01] allows officers to work
[39:03] smarter. Connect the dots more
[39:04] quickly and ultimately solve
[39:04] crimes faster than ever
[39:07] before. Drones are helping us
[39:10] during all types of incidents.
[39:11] Currently we have 100 drones
[39:13] and service and 69 certified
[39:15] pilots. One of the largest law
[39:17] enforcement drone units in the
[39:19] U.S. We used drones for safe
[39:20] policing during large major
[39:21] events like JULY 4th or MARCH
[39:25] Madness. Additionally, every
[39:26] patrol officers equipped with
[39:27] body-worn camera. These
[39:29] cameras have been updated.
[39:31] They have better battery life,
[39:32] higher quality video and other
[39:33] features that increase
[39:36] transparency for our
[39:38] community. Our real time crime
[39:38] center is staffed with
[39:39] professional analysts and
[39:41] sworn officers. Both they
[39:42] worked during high-volume
[39:44] times as well as Friday and
[39:45] Saturday nights and during
[39:46] special events like the 4th of
[39:49] JULY. They also provide
[39:51] another tool that helps
[39:53] prevent mitigate and solve
[39:53] crimes efficiently and
[40:01] effectively. Continuing on
[40:02] with successes for community
[40:03] engagement. Game community
[40:07] engagement is at the heart of
[40:09] effective policing. Impd
[40:09] continues to make strides to
[40:11] engage all areas of our
[40:13] community through 105
[40:15] community meetings with key
[40:15] stakeholders and neighborhood
[40:19] leaders. The agency has made
[40:20] hundreds of new connections to
[40:20] parents, their children and
[40:24] other neighbors. Through more
[40:25] than 2400 events. We've either
[40:28] hosted or attended connecting
[40:30] with youth is the key focus of
[40:32] this We also have a gaming
[40:33] trailer that's going to be
[40:36] activated this fall for many
[40:37] of the youth gaming is very
[40:38] familiar and comfortable and
[40:39] this will allow special
[40:39] connections with our police
[40:43] officers. The mobile trailer
[40:44] will also allow our officers
[40:46] to visit our use where they
[40:47] are and not force them come to
[40:54] us. We're also calling for a
[40:58] second team so you get we will
[40:59] have public testimony from
[41:00] each of you. So when you're
[41:02] speaking to the microphone to
[41:04] the public, I'm sure you want
[41:06] others to hear you out and
[41:07] listen to So let's hear all
[41:08] says a few more slides to go
[41:09] that you guys get to come up
[41:09] and share your thoughts as
[41:13] well. So again, when you're
[41:15] speaking, you don't want on
[41:15] the scream at you when you're
[41:16] speaking. So let's let her
[41:19] speak look.
[41:35] With chief. Continuing on with
[41:37] community engagement. We're
[41:37] also going to continue and to
[41:39] get our mounted officers in
[41:41] community for more engagement,
[41:42] high visibility and positive
[41:48] community connections. Again
[41:49] with us. Our successes are
[41:51] mobile crisis assistance team.
[41:52] This mental health is an issue
[41:54] that impacts so many across
[41:55] our community. It's a complex
[41:57] and sensitive topic that
[41:58] requires a thoughtful and
[42:01] holistic approach. We
[42:02] recognize that law enforcement
[42:03] MAY not be the best response
[42:05] to mental health calls and
[42:06] we're committed to looking
[42:06] into other options in order to
[42:10] best serve our community. Our
[42:11] mcat teams do bring a
[42:12] collaborative approach,
[42:13] allowing law enforcement to
[42:16] address safety concerns. Well,
[42:17] trained professionals provide
[42:17] critical mental health
[42:21] expertise and resources. Our
[42:25] homeless outreach unit
[42:26] constantly navigates complex
[42:27] situations that require both
[42:30] compassion and enforcement.
[42:31] While addressing the needs of
[42:33] unhoused individuals. We also
[42:35] are maintain public safety and
[42:37] ensure that public spaces are
[42:39] accessible to everyone. Our
[42:40] homeless outreach has touched
[42:42] so many lives of the past
[42:44] year. Nearly 1500 people have
[42:46] been contacted and given
[42:47] resources and we look forward
[42:48] to working alongside our
[42:53] community partners in 2027.
[42:55] Officer wellness is another
[42:56] key priority. And our
[42:57] strategic plan as we move into
[43:01] 2027. We will continue to
[43:02] engage with officers and their
[43:03] families. Not just reactive
[43:05] Lee, but also proactively this
[43:06] year. We've had 5 officers
[43:09] shot in the line of duty,
[43:11] violence of any kind toward
[43:15] officers, unacceptable. And
[43:17] the impact of having officer
[43:18] shot. The sheriff has had a
[43:19] serious ripple effect across
[43:23] our entire agency. Officers
[43:24] see and experience trauma and
[43:25] other physical emotional and
[43:26] psychological demands while
[43:29] serving our community, the
[43:30] health and well-being of our
[43:31] police officers has a direct
[43:35] impact on public safety
[43:37] investing in our officers,
[43:37] insurers, Indianapolis,
[43:39] families, neighborhoods and
[43:40] businesses are served by first
[43:41] responders who are at their
[43:43] best. Annual wellness business
[43:47] are also increasing. We
[43:48] require officers in are most
[43:50] exposed units to participate
[43:51] in those wellness visits. The
[43:54] feedback from those meetings
[43:55] has been overwhelmingly
[43:56] positive and those visits will
[44:01] continue in 2027. Goals for
[44:05] 2027. You've heard me talk
[44:06] about the successes of these
[44:08] various topics and many of our
[44:10] priorities remain the same. We
[44:11] look forward to building on
[44:13] the progress we've already
[44:15] made 2026. As we move into
[44:22] 2027. Plans for impd North
[44:22] District. Speaking of our
[44:26] future. I'm very excited that
[44:29] impd North MAY be getting the
[44:29] first city constructed
[44:33] city-owned impd facility since
[44:34] the 1990's. We often talk
[44:35] about the impact of our
[44:36] facilities. Our officers,
[44:38] employees and the community,
[44:42] the around Israel. While our
[44:43] North District building has
[44:43] served us well for decades.
[44:47] It's also run its course. The
[44:48] proposed new facility will
[44:51] bring a welcoming and inviting
[44:51] space. That's designed to be
[44:53] accessible open and a true
[44:55] part of the neighborhood.
[44:55] We'll have a dedicated
[44:59] community. And open space to
[45:00] host neighborhood association
[45:04] meetings and community events
[45:05] more. It will also provide
[45:07] more interaction. We know the
[45:08] true community policing
[45:09] thrives on connection and this
[45:10] facility will provide the
[45:11] space needed for officers and
[45:12] neighbors to collaborate side
[45:17] by side. We all recognize how
[45:17] important safe modern
[45:19] facilities are for officers
[45:21] and staff. That's why a
[45:22] comprehensive master
[45:24] facilities plan is also
[45:26] underway. That will identify
[45:27] which building should be
[45:28] prioritized for upgrades
[45:29] replacement or new
[45:33] construction. Now I will turn
[45:35] it over to our cfo Paul to get
[45:35] into the nuts and bolts of our
[45:37] budget. Thank you. Chief MISS
[45:45] Hall. Good evening. The 23 79.
[45:46] The better question essential
[45:47] to sustaining for law
[45:48] enforcement operations. Every
[45:51] component, Mike, a little
[45:55] closer. Please Thank you.
[45:56] Every component from vehicles
[45:59] at service, mobile offices to
[46:00] the overtime required for
[46:01] major events is critical to
[46:02] our ability to protect
[46:03] residents and visitors. This
[46:07] budget supports operation
[46:08] operational continuity will
[46:09] strategically leveraging
[46:10] technology to offset staffing
[46:11] shortages and maintain
[46:19] effective policing. Like you.
[46:20] I don't think it a volume
[46:28] control. Okay. So our budget
[46:30] represents all characters,
[46:31] supplies, equipment, contracts
[46:34] and charge backs our budget
[46:35] requests has an increase of 40
[46:39] over 41 Million. With
[46:42] 25 million being in ip
[46:44] general, reduction of 57,000
[46:47] due to a fun shifts. And some
[46:51] new grant funds. Driving
[46:52] factors for increases will be
[46:53] just discussed in next slide.
[46:59] This. Our revenue sources are
[47:01] listed here. I'm peas revenue
[47:02] projections service, a modest,
[47:02] the reliable supplement to
[47:04] support public safety
[47:06] operations. While revenue is
[47:07] not a major funding source for
[47:09] the ipd budget, the end him
[47:10] income generated from record
[47:12] these acts reports violation
[47:13] penalties, help support the
[47:14] everyday services are officers
[47:19] rely on in Fields. The top 3
[47:21] sources of our revenue record
[47:22] Zacks reports and alarm fi
[47:23] violation, fines and
[47:26] penalties. And then we do
[47:28] receive the portion of the
[47:31] funding from the Capital
[47:31] Improvement Board, which is
[47:32] split between impd and I have
[47:38] to you. Grant funding as a
[47:39] vital pillar time these
[47:40] operational capability
[47:41] enabling the department to
[47:42] test new strategies require
[47:44] specialized equipment.
[47:46] Enhanced technology and expand
[47:47] officer bonus programs. These
[47:48] grants allow us to make
[47:49] targeted investments that
[47:50] directly improve our ability
[47:53] to respond to her crying
[47:53] support. Officers and serve
[48:07] the community. Character, wine
[48:07] or personal care, resigned to
[48:08] U.S. Workforce. Ensuring we
[48:09] have the personnel needed to
[48:12] meet public safety demands
[48:13] funding for sworn officers.
[48:14] New recruits, professional
[48:15] staff and negotiated
[48:17] negotiated compensation
[48:18] packages, protect staffing
[48:21] levels and supports retention
[48:22] to write directly impacting
[48:23] her ability to deliver
[48:24] consistent policing services
[48:31] citywide. Our personal budget
[48:31] is approximately 79% of our
[48:35] total overall budget. Our
[48:38] requests includes budget for
[48:42] 17. 43 sworn positions. As
[48:44] well as 258 professional staff
[48:46] positions. It's important to
[48:48] note that not all store in
[48:50] vacancies are budgeted 100%.
[48:51] If they were our budget would
[48:53] be a pact. That would be much
[48:55] higher in coordination with
[48:57] let them we assessed over time
[48:57] in her knees to determine the
[48:59] appropriate amount of budget
[49:03] each year ensure our character
[49:04] one request is realistic and
[49:05] reasonable will meeting our
[49:07] operational needs. If funding
[49:08] is reduced, we will not be
[49:10] able to fill vacant ships or
[49:11] cover events which would
[49:13] jeopardize public safety.
[49:16] There is an additional
[49:19] 21 million dollars included.
[49:23] In our personnel budget which
[49:24] covers union negotiated,
[49:25] raises cost living and just
[49:27] adjustments for non-union
[49:28] personnel and implementation
[49:33] of this step increase program.
[49:34] So I'm the general increases
[49:35] are comprised of the following
[49:37] for salaries around 12 million
[49:39] benefits around 8 Million. We
[49:40] had increase in workers comp
[49:45] of 600,000 and 150,053 1000
[49:59] for the staff and program. It
[50:01] takes a great deal of manpower
[50:02] to keep our city safe during
[50:03] special events and major
[50:05] games. The funding allocated
[50:07] to support overtime ensures
[50:08] community safety during high
[50:10] attendance events and supports
[50:11] traffic control. Emergency
[50:12] response and community
[50:14] engagement over time allows
[50:16] impd to cover the demands for
[50:17] each of without impacting
[50:20] regular patrols. Moving on to
[50:24] our supply budget. There is a
[50:26] modest increase in federal
[50:29] grants of 85,000. We saw a
[50:31] minor reduction little over
[50:33] 1000 Friday general, which is
[50:35] it do our Crime Guns Task
[50:36] Force Grant. It was just a
[50:39] reduced need. First appliance.
[50:40] So there weren't very many
[50:46] changes there. So our supply
[50:49] budget suppliers officers,
[50:50] officers need to safely and
[50:52] effectively perform their
[50:52] duties. This includes
[50:56] uniforms, body armor,
[50:57] investigator tools, animal
[50:57] supplies, parts for committing
[50:58] to be a core pairs office
[51:00] supplies and training
[51:01] materials. The supplies are
[51:02] fundamental to officer safety.
[51:04] Bring this in the quality for
[51:05] investigated a field
[51:09] operation. Supplies are only
[51:11] one percent our total overall
[51:15] budget. He budget changes are
[51:16] due to decreased. As I
[51:16] mentioned previously in the
[51:18] crime, guns test for supply
[51:20] budget and an increase in the
[51:23] of 85,000 for federal grants.
[51:25] A list of items planned uses
[51:26] for the funds has been
[51:27] mentioned previously and is
[51:32] listed on the slide. Other
[51:35] service in churches, a
[51:36] character 3 supports the
[51:39] infrastructure. The keep find
[51:40] pd operational, including our
[51:41] building leases are building
[51:43] maintenance, repair, repair
[51:44] software, licensing equipment,
[51:45] maintenance utilities, and
[51:47] special services. The services
[51:48] ensure officers have
[51:49] functional facilities,
[51:50] reliable technology, and
[51:51] support systems required to
[51:52] sustain modern policing
[51:58] efforts. Services and charges
[51:59] is responsible for 30% of impd
[52:03] is total budget request charge
[52:04] backs increased by
[52:05] approximately 1.6 million
[52:06] between building authority.
[52:12] And I sa. Key drivers of the
[52:17] 2.2 million increase. We're
[52:18] also result of some increases
[52:22] in our grant funding. General.
[52:23] There's a 700,000 increase for
[52:28] Crime Guns Task Force. And
[52:31] there is and remaining 162 k
[52:35] 19, sorry I'm child due known
[52:35] increases execute leases and
[52:40] contracts. The remaining
[52:42] drivers are basically grant
[52:42] funding that additional grant
[52:43] funding we pursued in are
[52:52] expecting awards for.
[52:53] Equipment funds. The major
[52:55] equipment and technology
[52:56] investments that strengthen
[52:56] operational effectiveness.
[52:57] This includes financing
[53:00] payments for approximately 118
[53:02] new vehicles. And our existing
[53:03] financing arrangements for the
[53:05] other. Because we had
[53:10] purchased in prior years. It
[53:10] also covers Florida law
[53:11] enforcement equipment such as
[53:12] communications equipment,
[53:15] drones in technology. These
[53:19] investments officer mobility
[53:19] situation where as long-term
[53:24] departmental readiness.
[53:25] Equipment comprises 4% of the
[53:28] total budget. Impd general
[53:33] increase by 107 1000 to
[53:33] toughen shift from our federal
[53:38] law enforcement funds. And the
[53:39] $50,000 increase for the Crime
[53:41] Guns Task Force Grant, which
[53:44] is also part the general, the
[53:45] state in federal grants
[53:47] responsible for the remaining
[53:47] increase of approximately 4.7
[53:50] million. Our plan is to
[53:50] purchase various law
[53:55] enforcement law enforcement
[53:55] and office equipment cover the
[53:56] cruiser, finance payments,
[53:57] communications equipment and
[54:01] technology. It's important to
[54:02] note that impd did submit a
[54:05] request for new vehicles for
[54:06] 2027. Unfortunately due to the
[54:08] number of requests that all of
[54:08] them received. They were
[54:09] unable to fund our request for
[54:13] the vehicles. As mentioned
[54:14] previously by the chief. Our
[54:16] needs 300 vehicles per year in
[54:17] an order spanned a safe and
[54:20] reliable fleet. As our just
[54:23] maintenance and repairs become
[54:26] more costly. Well, we are
[54:26] grateful for the additional
[54:27] funding this year to pay off
[54:29] the 2021 financing early. We
[54:31] will continue to request
[54:31] additional funding for
[54:37] vehicles. So fleet in occ
[54:38] charge backs Office of
[54:46] Corporation Counsel. Character
[54:47] 5 perversely in Church backs
[54:48] which are essential to
[54:49] maintaining reliable and
[54:52] support police fleet. These
[54:53] costs reflect core operations
[54:53] services than a cervical,
[54:55] think and are available,
[54:55] maintain and ready for daily
[54:59] deployments. There was an
[55:00] increase of approximately
[55:04] 1 million, which is primarily
[55:05] recharge facts, estimating an
[55:06] increase costs for fuel and
[55:11] maintenance needs for 2027.
[55:12] Happy to report. This is the
[55:14] last slide. This is our budget
[55:15] broken down by program area.
[55:16] This is still very new process
[55:20] for us. And we are taking each
[55:21] year in trying to make numbers
[55:23] more accurate and more
[55:23] transparent about what we are
[55:27] funding the police department.
[55:31] The 2027 the budget represents
[55:33] the funding necessary to
[55:34] sustain and strengthen law
[55:36] enforcement operations across
[55:37] Indianapolis. Well, just not
[55:37] addressed every need. It
[55:39] ensures impd remains
[55:40] operational and equipped to
[55:41] serve the growing this growing
[55:45] and dynamic city. That
[55:47] concludes my portion of the
[55:47] presentation and then turn it
[55:48] back over to Chief Terri for
[55:49] her comments. Thank you. Is
[55:53] how should achieve. Thank you.
[55:54] CHAIRMAN Robinson. Well,
[55:56] before we open up for
[55:57] questions, I want to address 2
[55:58] topics that I know of in on
[56:00] the minds of many of you. I
[56:03] want to recognize the
[56:04] emotional impact, the shooting
[56:05] involving Dallas jet has had
[56:08] on so many his family and
[56:10] loved ones. Our officers and
[56:12] their families. Our entire
[56:18] agency, neighbors. And and so
[56:21] many others in our community.
[56:22] In this incident has had a
[56:25] profound effect here. Any use
[56:27] of force, especially deadly
[56:29] force, weighs heavily on all
[56:32] of us. And it's something we
[56:34] all carry with That said, I do
[56:38] want to clarify a few things
[56:39] our community expects
[56:39] information quickly within
[56:41] hours of an incident
[56:42] occurring. And we do our very
[56:48] best to give them just that.
[56:48] The alternative silence simply
[56:52] not acceptable. It's what we
[56:54] shared the night of the
[56:55] incident was the information
[56:56] that we had gathered at that
[56:57] time.
[57:10] You to finish chief. Was
[57:12] preliminary and subject to
[57:14] change. We say that for a
[57:15] reason for every critical
[57:17] incident briefing. The
[57:18] investigation had only just
[57:21] begun. As that investigation
[57:23] progressed, new information
[57:24] was learned and new evidence
[57:38] was uncovered. I bow. If you
[57:40] want to in your statement, you
[57:41] can spend it. I I'm sorry.
[57:42] Sorry. If you want to fit your
[57:43] state, you can enter a
[57:48] statement I would really like
[57:52] finish my say I bowed as chief
[57:56] to be open and transparent
[57:59] through the good and the I can
[58:00] assure you it was not easy to
[58:05] announce that one officer was
[58:08] by a fellow officer. But it
[58:10] was a true labor was the and
[58:16] our community the truth. We
[58:17] had 2 officers shot the one
[58:32] officer. My fellow officer. Is
[58:33] still extremely rap sheet. If
[58:34] you if you don't have do, if
[58:43] you're speaking well, if you
[58:44] want to stop your state, you
[58:45] can stop that. We can move on
[58:51] to questions from committee to
[58:56] It's it's up to you. J
[59:01] with all due respect, MISTER
[59:04] CHAIRMAN. This is our meeting
[59:05] that you're the chair. It
[59:06] should not be up to the chief.
[59:07] She wants to give her
[59:08] statement in order is not in
[59:12] store. This is our resident.
[59:19] Around Again. Our communities
[59:23] deserve the We had 2 officers
[59:24] shot that Yes, one was shot by
[59:29] a fellow officer. A point of
[59:31] order for second MR. CHAIRMAN,
[59:31] like to do a recess for a few
[59:32] minutes to decide to move
[59:47] forward. This is ridiculous.
[59:48] So his to deputy, think we
[59:49] should have some folks coming
[59:51] People out here. And have your
[59:54] team come in little while.
[59:57] Talking to you you have your
[1:00:01] death. We'll have your
[1:00:03] deputies coming to a pr pr, We
[1:00:05] need to start with some of
[1:00:15] these loans. Thank
[1:00:22] I the motion for recess. If
[1:00:23] that was a motion Council I
[1:00:31] second, the motion so to we're
[1:00:32] going remove those continued
[1:00:34] The Ellen Show. So we want to
[1:00:34] do that. So you have your
[1:00:38] deputies come in and and those
[1:00:39] that continue to yell and
[1:00:39] shout over that he was going
[1:00:43] here. So we'll talk just wait
[1:00:45] till so they can come in and
[1:00:46] as they stand in the room with
[1:00:59] something about it. We're not
[1:01:05] going to recess go get him
[1:01:09] out. What to do So those
[1:01:10] individuals, deputy, continue
[1:01:14] to be loud, disruptive as a
[1:01:19] team stock is going to move
[1:01:27] out chief Clinton Please go
[1:01:39] here first. That's doesn't
[1:01:41] spread out. Please, gentleman.
[1:01:42] So that's got to please spread
[1:02:00] out. Most of the room as well.
[1:02:03] So so that they'd been worn.
[1:02:05] And again, we will have for
[1:02:08] public testimony if they yell
[1:02:10] and scream removal
[1:02:17] individually. So you go ahead
[1:02:22] and get him out so again, you
[1:02:25] guys will get a test to speak.
[1:02:26] But, you know, keep speaking
[1:02:27] of the Chiefs. You got your
[1:02:35] driveway. We've got one up. So
[1:02:36] again, deputies as the team
[1:02:38] continues her statement. And
[1:02:38] if they scream and yell over
[1:02:44] her just removal. All right.
[1:02:48] Thank you, CHAIRMAN. Pickup
[1:02:52] where I left off. Which was I
[1:02:54] vowed as chief to be open and
[1:02:55] transparent in the good and
[1:02:59] the bad. I can assure you is
[1:02:59] not easy to announce that one
[1:03:02] officer was shot by a fellow
[1:03:04] officer, but it was the truth
[1:03:04] and our community deserves the
[1:03:08] truth. We had 2 officers shot
[1:03:09] that night. Yes, one was shot
[1:03:12] by a fellow officer but also
[1:03:14] true based on the evidence
[1:03:15] I've reviewed is that Dallas
[1:03:18] jet shot an impd officer.
[1:04:17] Deputies. Again, if you
[1:04:17] haven't screamed got to come
[1:04:19] out here. All right, chief,
[1:04:21] thank you. Thank you.
[1:04:25] CHAIRMAN. He made choices that
[1:04:27] night and one of those choices
[1:04:27] was the fire around that
[1:04:29] struck an impd officer in the
[1:04:31] chest. The evidence confirms
[1:04:32] of the bullet lodged in the
[1:04:33] officer's best came from Jets.
[1:04:35] Gun. Thankfully the officers
[1:04:38] ballistic vest saved his life
[1:04:39] and both of our officers
[1:04:39] continue on the road to
[1:04:44] recovery. Also It also true
[1:05:03] little Over
[1:05:07] Thank you. Chief.
[1:05:12] Thank you. CHAIRMAN. Also true
[1:05:12] is that we have shown the
[1:05:15] family, the unedited body-worn
[1:05:16] camera footage from the
[1:05:18] officers directly involved in
[1:05:19] this incident during that
[1:05:19] meeting we offered for the
[1:05:37] family. All Deputy deputy has
[1:05:55] to go. You have to go the
[1:06:07] thank you. CHAIRMAN. So also
[1:06:08] true is that we've shown the
[1:06:09] family, the unedited body worn
[1:06:09] camera footage from the
[1:06:11] officers directly involved in
[1:06:12] this incident during that
[1:06:13] meeting we offered for the
[1:06:16] family to view additional
[1:06:16] unedited body worn camera
[1:06:17] footage, but they declined
[1:06:20] that offer that is what the
[1:06:21] law requires. And that is what
[1:06:24] we have done. Both the
[1:06:24] administrative and criminal
[1:06:26] investigations into this
[1:06:29] incident are ongoing.
[1:06:30] Therefore, we cannot release
[1:06:31] all video footage and evidence
[1:06:34] at this time. That is not
[1:06:35] appropriate for this case to
[1:06:36] be tried in the court of
[1:06:39] public opinion. We must allow
[1:06:40] the investigative processes to
[1:06:42] do their job based only on
[1:06:44] facts and evidence. We also
[1:06:46] have been respecting the
[1:06:47] family's wishes and are now
[1:06:48] only communicating with them
[1:06:52] through their attorney. I know
[1:06:53] there has been an overwhelming
[1:06:55] amount of misinformation
[1:06:55] circulate circulating on
[1:06:58] social media. Anyone can post
[1:07:01] or say something online. But
[1:07:03] impd is held to a higher
[1:07:05] standard. Our community trusts
[1:07:06] us to provide them with
[1:07:07] accurate and timely
[1:07:09] information. We don't go off
[1:07:11] of rumors or speculation our
[1:07:12] communications are based on
[1:07:15] fact. And when new information
[1:07:15] is learned, we will update
[1:07:18] accordingly. That is our
[1:07:20] commitment to truth.
[1:07:20] Transparency and
[1:07:25] accountability. Now, the
[1:07:25] second topic I'd like to
[1:07:27] address is immigration
[1:07:28] enforcement. Our enforcement
[1:07:30] posture has not changed, but I
[1:07:32] do want to reiterate where we
[1:07:34] stand given the understandable
[1:07:35] fear and confusion throughout
[1:07:40] our community. Impd is not
[1:07:41] actively participating and
[1:07:43] federal immigration sweeps nor
[1:07:47] do we plan to. Impd works
[1:07:48] closely with our federal
[1:07:49] partners every day to hold
[1:07:50] violent offenders accountable
[1:07:54] and we remain committed to
[1:07:54] following all up up like a
[1:07:57] state and federal laws. But as
[1:07:59] a local law enforcement
[1:08:00] agency, our responsibility is
[1:08:03] enforcing state laws and local
[1:08:03] ordinances. We will continue
[1:08:05] to allocate our staffing and
[1:08:06] resources to serving our
[1:08:09] community preventing crime and
[1:08:09] holding violent offenders
[1:08:12] accountable. Impd does not ask
[1:08:13] about immigration status,
[1:08:17] period. Victims and witnesses
[1:08:18] should never hesitate to come
[1:08:20] forward. If you need help or
[1:08:24] are in danger, please call
[1:08:27] 9-1-1. We will respond to help
[1:08:27] and assist because that is
[1:08:30] what impd is all about. Our
[1:08:32] mission remains clear.
[1:08:35] Protecting our neighbors,
[1:08:36] preventing crime and
[1:08:37] strengthen trust in our
[1:08:39] neighborhoods. Regardless of
[1:08:40] immigration status, we're
[1:08:42] committed to serving every
[1:08:44] person who calls in the home.
[1:08:47] Now, CHAIRMAN, I am ready to
[1:08:49] answer questions. Thank you,
[1:08:50] chief. Again, we will have
[1:08:51] public testimony at the
[1:08:52] conclusion of the committee
[1:08:53] members questions, comments or
[1:08:54] questions. Committee members
[1:08:59] scary. Thank you, MR. Chair. I
[1:09:00] understand we were to 10 hour
[1:09:03] shifts 40's week. I'm sure
[1:09:03] housing effect or overtime
[1:09:11] situation. I appreciate the
[1:09:12] question a scary and it's a
[1:09:12] difficult question to answer.
[1:09:15] And we've done this pilot for
[1:09:16] the past 8 months and over
[1:09:17] time has increased. But our
[1:09:17] staffing has also decreased at
[1:09:19] the same time. So it's a
[1:09:20] difficult thing to measure.
[1:09:23] Our hope was that while we
[1:09:24] were still going to require
[1:09:26] overtime to fill staffing
[1:09:28] shortages, the impact of the
[1:09:31] individual officers are theory
[1:09:32] is that it would be less
[1:09:33] because they will be working
[1:09:35] shorter amount of time with
[1:09:36] the setup of the 10 hour
[1:09:40] shifts and the 4 shifts with
[1:09:40] some overlap. Our hope is that
[1:09:42] those additional overtime
[1:09:43] shifts would either be on one
[1:09:45] of the longer stretches of
[1:09:47] days off were that it would be
[1:09:48] in a shorter increment instead
[1:09:50] of pulling a double shift of
[1:09:52] 17 hours that they MAY only
[1:09:52] work for a five-hour extra
[1:09:58] shift additionally they do,
[1:10:00] it's not afford 4 on 4.10,
[1:10:02] hour days in a row. It's it's
[1:10:07] a rotating day schedule that
[1:10:08] allows them up to 5 days off
[1:10:08] in a row during different
[1:10:10] periods of that rotation. And
[1:10:11] I have heard direct feedback
[1:10:12] from officers that have been
[1:10:16] piloting that shift, that they
[1:10:17] do feel more refreshed when
[1:10:19] they come back to work from
[1:10:21] those absences. And in some
[1:10:22] cases, said that they've been
[1:10:23] very excited to return to work
[1:10:24] at the end of their days off.
[1:10:26] Thank Thank you. Cars,
[1:10:31] apartments. Thank you, MISTER
[1:10:34] CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Chief see
[1:10:34] a full Hall for your
[1:10:37] presentation this evening.
[1:10:39] MISTER CHAIRMAN. I have
[1:10:41] several questions. And so I'm
[1:10:43] going to be sensitive to not
[1:10:44] only my colleagues here, but
[1:10:47] also for the community that we
[1:10:50] would love to hear your And so
[1:10:50] Chief, I'm gonna ask you to
[1:10:54] the best of ability to make
[1:10:54] your responses a short and
[1:10:59] direct as possible. I'll stop
[1:10:59] my mice by making a statement.
[1:11:03] I I hold true. The tension,
[1:11:04] the emotions that are in this
[1:11:09] room. I hold true that while
[1:11:13] we recognize that your
[1:11:15] officers, your department show
[1:11:17] up in some of the most
[1:11:20] difficult times that I can
[1:11:20] imagine that your officers
[1:11:24] leave home every morning every
[1:11:24] afternoon with a prayer
[1:11:28] returning back home safe. We
[1:11:29] also hold true that there's a
[1:11:33] community that's hurting. And
[1:11:33] I believe strongly that 2
[1:11:37] things can be true. We can
[1:11:39] celebrate the work of the
[1:11:40] officers. We're supportive.
[1:11:43] And you mention in your
[1:11:44] presentation, the
[1:11:45] administration has been
[1:11:46] supported. This council has
[1:11:49] been supportive by approve in
[1:11:50] the budget of the sense of
[1:11:52] been sitting near this
[1:11:52] increased the last 3 years
[1:11:56] that I've been here, the impd
[1:12:00] reflects almost 25% off the
[1:12:01] budget for the entire and a
[1:12:04] price. 25%. And so we can hold
[1:12:07] that true. But we can also
[1:12:08] hold true that we have
[1:12:10] situations around flock
[1:12:12] cameras around police involved
[1:12:14] shootings are on ice raid that
[1:12:17] the same level off passion is
[1:12:19] conveyed in those moments. And
[1:12:21] I think what we're missing is
[1:12:24] that we celebrate on one and
[1:12:25] what we don't come out with
[1:12:26] the same level of passion when
[1:12:28] you have a community that's
[1:12:29] hurting and that you might
[1:12:31] have some officers, not all
[1:12:34] officers. Well, you might have
[1:12:35] some bad Apple within the
[1:12:36] department. And so chief, I
[1:12:39] want to encourage you. So
[1:12:41] consider that as a part of
[1:12:41] your leadership that that's
[1:12:43] what the community is looking
[1:12:45] for. Right? If something goes
[1:12:46] wrong that we need to hear
[1:12:51] that. And so I want to I want
[1:12:52] to start with that that that
[1:12:53] statement. Let me ask my
[1:12:57] questions. Does this
[1:12:58] particular proposed budget
[1:13:01] reflect the full projected
[1:13:03] scope of impd operations,
[1:13:04] personal and public safety
[1:13:08] needs for 2027, specifically.
[1:13:09] Was this department instructed
[1:13:12] to leave any anticipated
[1:13:13] expenses, our resources needs
[1:13:17] out of this budget with the
[1:13:19] expectation that those need
[1:13:19] will be addressed later
[1:13:21] through either the fall on the
[1:13:24] spin or the spring. Fiscal are
[1:13:25] not a supplemental
[1:13:34] appropriation. Anything that's
[1:13:47] on. So counselor, thank you.
[1:13:50] And I acknowledge the call for
[1:13:52] transparency and
[1:13:53] accountability and equal
[1:13:57] levels of passion through all
[1:14:02] both celebratory and through
[1:14:04] tracked tragedy and challenges
[1:14:05] that both our agency and our
[1:14:06] community is experiencing. So
[1:14:07] thank you for those comments.
[1:14:09] As far as your question about
[1:14:11] the budget, we were not
[1:14:13] instructed to leave anything
[1:14:14] out. We did make budget
[1:14:19] requests to let them based on
[1:14:20] our anticipated needs. And I
[1:14:23] know that cfo Hall did mention
[1:14:24] that. Not all of those
[1:14:25] requests were able to be
[1:14:27] fulfilled a fam, but there's
[1:14:28] not been any specific
[1:14:30] conversations about future
[1:14:30] plans to come back to the
[1:14:32] council and ask for more
[1:14:34] appropriations and others.
[1:14:37] Schools. I know that the bond
[1:14:39] bank decision regarding North
[1:14:41] District is still a separate
[1:14:43] conversation alongside the
[1:14:45] budget. And I know that we
[1:14:48] continue. We will continue to
[1:14:50] work with all them. And the
[1:14:52] council because the needs of
[1:14:54] the fleet have not been fully
[1:14:55] fulfilled. We've been very
[1:14:56] transparent about that. But we
[1:15:00] did make the request the other
[1:15:01] question that still
[1:15:02] outstanding is that we do have
[1:15:05] a collective bargaining
[1:15:07] agreement that is just that
[1:15:07] we're starting negotiations
[1:15:12] for our park Rangers, thank
[1:15:14] MR. To make this of those who
[1:15:14] want to. Thank you, MR.
[1:15:15] CHAIRMAN for that for the
[1:15:19] flexibility the spring fiscal
[1:15:20] allow you to purchase 180 new
[1:15:25] vehicles. Does the department
[1:15:26] currently have any new
[1:15:28] vehicles that I've been
[1:15:29] purchase but are not yet in
[1:15:34] service. We do have some
[1:15:37] vehicles that are still in the
[1:15:38] process of being outfitted by
[1:15:41] and by that, I mean, having
[1:15:41] the protective cages, the
[1:15:46] emergency lights, the proper
[1:15:46] storage. We do have some
[1:15:48] vehicles that have not been
[1:15:48] issued, but that are in our
[1:15:50] fleet because they're still
[1:15:53] being outbid and those are not
[1:15:55] included in 180, that you are
[1:15:56] proved to purchase. You know,
[1:15:57] we have not made a purchase
[1:16:01] yet with that money that was
[1:16:04] freed up by paying off our
[1:16:05] installment early as matter of
[1:16:07] fact. Let me w Chief
[1:16:08] Weddington when we think we're
[1:16:10] going to make those purchases.
[1:16:11] And while the deputy chief is
[1:16:14] coming as well, how many
[1:16:15] vehicles that you have park
[1:16:16] that are not be news right now
[1:16:30] that are brand new vehicles.
[1:16:45] We can't make the purchase for
[1:16:49] the new vehicles. The 180
[1:16:52] projected purchased until the
[1:16:54] budgets approved. Understood.
[1:16:54] I was a question about new
[1:16:55] vehicles that are not be news
[1:16:57] right now and that I've been
[1:16:59] that that I sit in the parking
[1:17:02] lot waiting to be outfitted
[1:17:04] for use I don't have that
[1:17:05] statistic or that number on
[1:17:06] hand. And I'm happy to provide
[1:17:08] that to you on a follow-up
[1:17:11] contact. Thank you that we
[1:17:12] very helpful, MR. CHAIRMAN
[1:17:14] level of flexibility. One more
[1:17:19] council one more one
[1:17:20] currently, you're reporting a
[1:17:22] 20% vacancy and so on
[1:17:22] officers, that is the
[1:17:27] difference between one 1743.
[1:17:28] And then the number officers
[1:17:29] that you have, that's a 20%.
[1:17:33] Plus. A 23% vacancy in
[1:17:39] staffing. In terms of average
[1:17:42] annual costs. How much does is
[1:17:43] it budgeted for a sworn
[1:17:46] officer within your budget?
[1:17:48] And I think our cfo prepared
[1:17:49] for that question. Yes. So
[1:17:49] will we'll turn it over to
[1:17:57] her. Yeah, we budget for the
[1:17:58] whole 17. 43 now for the
[1:17:59] vacancies. Some of those
[1:18:01] positions that are going to be
[1:18:03] used to fund over time. Our
[1:18:07] budget at a lower. Amount. I
[1:18:08] know you budgeted for 73. We
[1:18:10] approve the budget. The
[1:18:12] question is what is the per
[1:18:15] person cost in terms of budget
[1:18:18] 130,000 130,000? Yes. So I
[1:18:18] want the community here this
[1:18:20] that's the apples average cost
[1:18:23] for a budget done. I average
[1:18:30] cost of 130,000 times 360.
[1:18:30] That's almost 40 million
[1:18:37] dollars. That you department
[1:18:40] And what I heard you say. That
[1:18:42] we have spend all of that in
[1:18:46] overtime, at least a 2026, not
[1:18:49] 100%, not 136 of those 300
[1:18:50] positions will be new recruits
[1:18:54] hired in 2027 in 2027. So
[1:18:57] around 220 of those positions
[1:18:59] are going to find overtime for
[1:19:00] staffing shortages. But that
[1:19:04] they'll fall 2027 budget. So
[1:19:05] they will fall. The new
[1:19:07] recruits of fallen 2027.
[1:19:11] Correct? Okay. So the 2026 you
[1:19:11] have almost 40 million
[1:19:16] dollars. That impd is saying
[1:19:19] that you use in 2 wars over
[1:19:20] time and what we have seen at
[1:19:21] least since I've been here for
[1:19:25] the last 3 years an increase
[1:19:26] in your budget request in
[1:19:28] Carrick to one over the 3
[1:19:31] years and the rationale being
[1:19:34] the cba, the increasing costs.
[1:19:35] And I heard the chief said
[1:19:37] that the reason behind this,
[1:19:39] it helps recruit support. But
[1:19:45] yet we're still 20% vacancy.
[1:19:46] And there's a slush fund with
[1:19:49] an impd almost 40 million
[1:19:59] dollars. It's not time. Very
[1:20:00] closely with all of them to
[1:20:01] monitor our character. One
[1:20:04] spends the council receives
[1:20:05] monthly reports on are spent
[1:20:06] as well. That outlines what
[1:20:08] we're spending in character.
[1:20:10] One, the funding is used to
[1:20:10] support our full-time
[1:20:12] personnel to fill vacancies
[1:20:15] and whatever's left covers
[1:20:17] over time. Keep in mind we
[1:20:18] have officers retiring that
[1:20:22] kit. Large payouts to so there
[1:20:23] are a lot of factors involved
[1:20:26] with that 40 million and
[1:20:28] attrition is subtracted as
[1:20:31] well. So what we do is we work
[1:20:33] closely with all them to
[1:20:33] determine what amount we need
[1:20:36] based on trends and what we're
[1:20:38] trending in actual expenses to
[1:20:40] budget for the following year.
[1:20:43] Thank you. Final final
[1:20:43] statement and a question.
[1:20:46] MISTER Chair. Thank you.
[1:20:46] Council statement once the
[1:20:48] statement we're clear about
[1:20:50] budgeted, you gave me average
[1:20:52] costs, which means that their
[1:20:53] officers that are making less
[1:20:56] than 100,130 1000 miles, while
[1:20:57] the others that are making
[1:20:58] more its average parts of
[1:21:02] south. I I just my statement.
[1:21:03] But the point I'm really
[1:21:07] trying to make it is right. We
[1:21:09] oftentimes get question about
[1:21:09] our support for the department
[1:21:10] because we question the
[1:21:13] budget. And hoping that this
[1:21:15] year that's not the case. What
[1:21:18] we're saying, what I'm saying
[1:21:20] is that we fully support the
[1:21:21] department, but we need the
[1:21:23] department to be accountable
[1:21:26] as well. This is 25% of the
[1:21:28] overall budget for the
[1:21:30] enterprise that goes impd.
[1:21:30] That's some real questions
[1:21:33] about. How much we spend in
[1:21:37] overtime. And how much the
[1:21:39] impd the department has in a
[1:21:42] pocket of money. That is set
[1:21:43] aside that we don't get to
[1:21:45] decide on that. Because this
[1:21:49] council did not agree. And
[1:21:52] signed off on You between the
[1:21:53] union and the enterprise. That
[1:21:55] was so the mayor's office. We
[1:21:57] did not lock in that 17. 43
[1:21:59] number, right? That was
[1:22:01] dictated to us that we have to
[1:22:03] fund that. But what's embedded
[1:22:06] in that almost 40 million
[1:22:07] dollars. The department has
[1:22:09] force folks ability. Thank
[1:22:10] you. As the council pres will
[1:22:11] come back to you when come
[1:22:12] back later, comments or
[1:22:12] questions counselors. Comes
[1:22:18] around. They MARCH air for the
[1:22:19] opportunity to sit in. And
[1:22:22] thank you, Chief Gary, for
[1:22:23] your presentation. I first
[1:22:23] just wanted to make a
[1:22:25] statement my own about Dallas
[1:22:26] jet. Appreciate your comments
[1:22:30] here tonight. Chief. And I do
[1:22:33] have to say You mentioned
[1:22:33] swearing to uphold
[1:22:34] transparency and
[1:22:35] accountability. And I think
[1:22:39] you failed at that quite And,
[1:22:40] you know, the strategic plan
[1:22:41] called for community
[1:22:41] partnership. But I think that
[1:22:43] has been a failure as well.
[1:22:44] You know, yes, people were
[1:22:45] disruptive here. People
[1:22:46] interrupted you when you're
[1:22:48] speaking and I regret that.
[1:22:51] But I think the reason anyone
[1:22:52] have to people here are here
[1:22:53] tonight is not because they're
[1:22:54] actually concerned about the
[1:22:55] budget. It's because they've
[1:22:56] been looking for an
[1:22:57] opportunity to talk about this
[1:22:59] very a heartfelt issue where a
[1:23:01] young black man was shot 9
[1:23:02] times in the back. Apparently
[1:23:05] while he was running away and
[1:23:06] because that has not been
[1:23:07] acknowledged or talked about
[1:23:12] in public. Motions got a
[1:23:13] little high and they've got a
[1:23:14] very difficult to sit, still
[1:23:15] waiting for their turn to
[1:23:18] speak. And so I just wanted to
[1:23:18] dross all into that reality
[1:23:24] before before moving on.
[1:23:25] Council Perkins for some
[1:23:25] excellent comments. And I
[1:23:27] would agree with a lot of
[1:23:29] those. I wanted to first have
[1:23:30] a line of questioning about
[1:23:34] flock. Flock cameras. Yeah. I
[1:23:34] noticed the very large federal
[1:23:37] grants and the budget this
[1:23:38] year. You know, I I've known
[1:23:39] that for a few years. You've
[1:23:41] mentioned the real time crime
[1:23:43] center. Silly me. It was until
[1:23:44] this because actually Google
[1:23:44] that phrase and realize that
[1:23:46] is a product sold by flock.
[1:23:49] And so I wanted to know is are
[1:23:50] we paying for the flock? Real
[1:23:53] time crime center software
[1:23:56] products. You in character 3
[1:23:58] funding. We talked about new
[1:23:59] software licenses. You know,
[1:24:00] can you describe what the real
[1:24:03] time crime center is? I guess
[1:24:03] know our our real time crime
[1:24:06] center is not a flock product.
[1:24:10] Real real time crime center is
[1:24:14] dedicated staff out at Rock
[1:24:15] facility where we have
[1:24:17] analysts and vetted alongside
[1:24:21] our sworn officers. They also
[1:24:22] have access to multitude of
[1:24:26] our police systems to try to
[1:24:28] monitor and gather real-time
[1:24:30] intelligence, the relay that
[1:24:31] information to officers that
[1:24:32] are in the field or
[1:24:33] investigators that are in the
[1:24:37] field to try to either prevent
[1:24:38] mitigate or impact crime that
[1:24:41] is taking place in real time.
[1:24:41] Hence the real time crime
[1:24:42] center name. I appreciate
[1:24:49] that. Thank you. In terms of
[1:24:50] the audits, I know your
[1:24:51] presence of Chief Bailey had
[1:24:52] encouraged me to talk directly
[1:24:54] with the flock government
[1:24:55] affairs, folks. What I had
[1:24:57] similar concerns last year and
[1:24:59] Cameron Simmons, the chief.
[1:25:02] Government relations percent
[1:25:05] lock. Let me know that they
[1:25:05] had been routinely telling law
[1:25:06] enforcement that the biggest
[1:25:08] threat when using this
[1:25:10] technology was a lack of
[1:25:11] audits. And so conversations
[1:25:14] with Chief Bailey at the time,
[1:25:15] you know, I indicated what I
[1:25:17] heard from Cameron, which was,
[1:25:18] you know, although some
[1:25:20] departments audit every single
[1:25:20] use of alp ours every single
[1:25:25] day. This they found that most
[1:25:25] departments were auditing
[1:25:26] every single use available ERs
[1:25:29] every quarter. Based on the
[1:25:31] fact that the officer that you
[1:25:32] recommended for termination
[1:25:36] and for potential lawsuits,
[1:25:37] access cameras, according
[1:25:38] washing post 3800 times over
[1:25:40] the course of 10 months. It
[1:25:41] seems clear quarterly auditing
[1:25:43] has not been happening. So can
[1:25:44] you give as many details as
[1:25:46] you can about what that audit
[1:25:47] process looks like? Looks like
[1:25:48] a year ago when I first asked
[1:25:49] questions about it and then
[1:25:50] what it looks like today under
[1:25:56] the new policy. Sure. Thank
[1:25:57] you, counselor. The auditing
[1:25:58] process as I've mentioned, is
[1:26:02] ongoing in underway. There are
[1:26:02] daily auditing activities that
[1:26:06] are taking place currently
[1:26:09] again, as I shared with you
[1:26:09] separate communications that
[1:26:13] were fairly detail, a draft
[1:26:13] policy that we've developed
[1:26:14] where we've made multiple
[1:26:16] changes and improvements to
[1:26:18] that policy. The with respect
[1:26:21] to the level of accountability
[1:26:25] and oversight prevention and
[1:26:26] what you're speaking about as
[1:26:28] far as the auditing tools that
[1:26:28] flock is made available. They
[1:26:30] recently made available and
[1:26:34] spring of this year and ai
[1:26:37] assisted auditing tool. That
[1:26:38] is something that we are
[1:26:39] integrating into our audit
[1:26:42] processees I or to that part
[1:26:44] of that, what I described to
[1:26:45] you was that we were doing
[1:26:49] more spot checking, which to
[1:26:51] me admittedly was clearly not
[1:26:53] enough. It was not sufficient
[1:26:54] sufficient level of auditing
[1:26:55] and oversight. Now, I would
[1:26:59] like to make mention that
[1:27:01] while our retention period is
[1:27:02] 30 days for the captures, the
[1:27:04] photos that are taken by the
[1:27:07] cameras, the search history is
[1:27:11] maintained. And pre-paid and
[1:27:13] purpose perpetually. So we
[1:27:15] don't that doesn't get erased.
[1:27:17] So if there's any suspicion of
[1:27:19] misuse, we will investigate
[1:27:21] that misuse or potential
[1:27:23] misuse verify whether it was
[1:27:26] misuse and then take action
[1:27:27] accordingly. And so again, I
[1:27:29] also mention in my response to
[1:27:32] that, we are in the process of
[1:27:34] converting what is currently a
[1:27:35] standard operating procedure,
[1:27:38] which typically is not
[1:27:39] publicly accessible. We're in
[1:27:41] in the name of transparency
[1:27:42] with an effort to be
[1:27:44] intentional about that. We're
[1:27:46] converting that to a general
[1:27:49] order and we are also going to
[1:27:50] be presenting that to our
[1:27:51] general orders Board, which
[1:27:53] does have community members on
[1:27:55] it. So that we can solicit
[1:27:58] their feedback and get a final
[1:28:00] product that does have and
[1:28:01] reflect community impact
[1:28:06] community input. I picture the
[1:28:08] you know, and the terms of the
[1:28:09] detention policy, I did want
[1:28:09] say I mentioned this to you
[1:28:12] via e-mail as well. But you
[1:28:13] know, at the time that I talk
[1:28:16] with cameras in its last year,
[1:28:16] impd is policy added or
[1:28:17] attention of 180 days flock
[1:28:20] was recommending 30 days the
[1:28:22] time now is moving to 30 days
[1:28:24] and flock is actually putting
[1:28:25] by the fall to 7 days and
[1:28:27] recommending that the police
[1:28:27] departments. So I will say
[1:28:29] that it feels a little
[1:28:31] frustrating to have such a
[1:28:32] well funded and well trained
[1:28:33] police department be so behind
[1:28:34] the times and not paying
[1:28:36] attention to the most recent
[1:28:36] recommendations from the
[1:28:39] company or contracting with.
[1:28:42] That's not I would like That's
[1:28:43] mischaracterizing the
[1:28:44] communication that you and I
[1:28:47] had. And I did tell you that
[1:28:50] we actually I misspoke. We are
[1:28:53] evaluating that retention. A
[1:28:53] period 30 days has been
[1:28:58] implemented for a long time.
[1:28:59] Again, with the general orders
[1:29:00] board. They're going to have
[1:29:02] input on that 7 day retention
[1:29:04] period. And we are trying to
[1:29:05] find out this. I had a
[1:29:06] question from another
[1:29:07] counselor about the 7 day
[1:29:07] retention period. So I
[1:29:09] apologize for getting them
[1:29:10] mixed up. We're trying to get
[1:29:14] information from flock. They
[1:29:15] put that data out there. They
[1:29:18] put a statistic out there that
[1:29:22] said that 90% of our Police
[1:29:23] Department searches occurred
[1:29:26] within 7 days of a crime. And
[1:29:27] what I'm trying to get from
[1:29:29] flock is how is ai and what
[1:29:31] does I am pdt? Is that a show
[1:29:34] as it relates to that
[1:29:34] retention period and what
[1:29:36] would make sense for our
[1:29:37] community and also giving the
[1:29:39] general orders board
[1:29:40] opportunity to provide that
[1:29:41] feedback on what our retention
[1:29:42] period should be. And that's
[1:29:43] why the general order isn't
[1:29:46] draft form right now because
[1:29:49] those are conversations that
[1:29:51] are ongoing. We're absolutely
[1:29:53] not ignoring recommendations
[1:29:54] from flock. We're just trying
[1:29:55] to verify the data that makes
[1:29:56] sense and that's relevant to
[1:30:00] Indianapolis. I appreciate the
[1:30:01] clarification. MR. Just brief
[1:30:03] more on this topic. I've got a
[1:30:04] lot more, but I you that we're
[1:30:05] going to want to to more. Come
[1:30:06] back to you later. Appreciate
[1:30:11] that. So sure they're still
[1:30:12] working through this. And
[1:30:12] understand it's going to be a
[1:30:13] moving target a little bit.
[1:30:18] But how many officers do you
[1:30:19] suspects or believe have
[1:30:21] misused flock cameras with an
[1:30:23] impd and what are the chances
[1:30:26] that a random officer use of
[1:30:27] the lpr is audited to have
[1:30:31] data on either of us. I can
[1:30:32] tell you that like I mentioned
[1:30:34] already, we have daily
[1:30:35] auditing activities to verify
[1:30:37] if there's any additional
[1:30:39] misuse any misuse that's
[1:30:42] discovered will I'll take
[1:30:45] action on that. Like I already
[1:30:46] demonstrated at this time,
[1:30:48] we've only recommended I
[1:30:49] recommend and one officer for
[1:30:50] separation. He suspended
[1:30:51] without pay recommended for
[1:30:53] termination to our Mayor board
[1:30:57] based on his issues, any
[1:30:58] additional ongoing
[1:30:59] investigations or just that to
[1:31:01] the fact-finding missions. And
[1:31:03] I would you know, if if there
[1:31:05] are any other officers that I
[1:31:07] recommend for termination for
[1:31:08] this, I will certainly
[1:31:08] continue in the era
[1:31:09] transparency in that respect.
[1:31:13] As far as the percentage of
[1:31:14] searches that are audited. I
[1:31:15] do not have that data right
[1:31:17] now. It's can be something
[1:31:18] that we continue to have
[1:31:21] discussion on. I appreciate
[1:31:22] that. And just against the
[1:31:23] comment was a clear that all
[1:31:25] but on the subject, you know,
[1:31:26] I used to do quality assurance
[1:31:29] and a call center. And so we
[1:31:30] did real-time monitoring. We
[1:31:32] would we could listen live to
[1:31:33] calls calls every single day,
[1:31:34] you know, but 90% of calls
[1:31:36] never got checked at all. And
[1:31:38] so you could still be doing
[1:31:39] the work and I'm not doubting
[1:31:41] the grant also trying their
[1:31:43] best. But I'm wondering when I
[1:31:45] see an internal affairs
[1:31:45] budget, that is one 4th of the
[1:31:46] federal liaison is budget with
[1:31:48] a 90 d it just makes me wonder
[1:31:50] how much auditing is
[1:31:50] happening. Yeah. Compared to
[1:31:52] how much collaboration with
[1:31:55] federal agencies? Well, I well
[1:31:56] for one thing. Federal
[1:31:57] agencies do not have access to
[1:31:59] our lpr data. I'd like to get
[1:32:04] that out there. Secondly, any
[1:32:06] because the rich, the searches
[1:32:09] are retained and definitely
[1:32:10] any suspected misuse. That
[1:32:10] information is there for us to
[1:32:15] investigate and look at so
[1:32:16] also with the new ai tool that
[1:32:21] Flock has provided to us. It
[1:32:22] does provide more real-time,
[1:32:24] proactive ability for us to
[1:32:26] stay on top of suspected
[1:32:28] misuse that we can follow up
[1:32:28] and investigate. Look into
[1:32:29] that and prevent future
[1:32:31] misuse. I think that also will
[1:32:32] hold officers more
[1:32:34] accountable. Then what we've
[1:32:38] done in the past now any
[1:32:41] again, ongoing audit is
[1:32:42] happening daily. Any suspected
[1:32:44] misuse will be addressed
[1:32:47] appropriately. Thank you to
[1:32:47] Casa Rosada. Back to It was
[1:32:50] the end here. Council boots.
[1:32:51] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank
[1:32:52] you. Chief cfo for your
[1:32:55] presentation this evening.
[1:32:56] Statement in a couple
[1:32:57] questions you know my time and
[1:32:59] hopefully circle back one,
[1:33:03] just a request we have before
[1:33:04] us that a draft of the amended
[1:33:08] Alpr general order. Anyway, we
[1:33:09] can get a red line versions so
[1:33:11] we can see exactly the changes
[1:33:11] that are being made in the
[1:33:12] current version as compared to
[1:33:15] the original. This is the this
[1:33:16] is what the officers are
[1:33:18] currently operating under has
[1:33:22] an s o p I've had it converted
[1:33:23] to a draft general order
[1:33:24] because this is what we plan
[1:33:24] to present to the General
[1:33:25] Motors board. But the language
[1:33:27] in front of you, the
[1:33:28] procedures in front of you are
[1:33:30] what their operating under
[1:33:35] now. Are you asking for the
[1:33:35] 2023 policy he sets? That is
[1:33:38] in prior communication from
[1:33:39] council Brown. I'm happy to
[1:33:40] provide it to you in a
[1:33:41] separate communication. If you
[1:33:43] like that. Yeah, it was or a
[1:33:44] way to get a redline version
[1:33:48] comparing the 2 my we can. We
[1:33:50] can. I think that one of the
[1:33:51] things that will make it a
[1:33:54] little bit harder to follow is
[1:33:54] that it was previously
[1:33:57] combined. Public safety
[1:33:58] cameras on the whole. And we
[1:34:01] felt like Alpr cameras
[1:34:03] deserved a singular focus and
[1:34:07] that's why we pulled that out
[1:34:08] of up. Another stop that was
[1:34:09] combined with other public
[1:34:11] safety cameras. So but I'm
[1:34:11] happy to provide that to you
[1:34:14] as well. The be helpful. Thank
[1:34:18] you. My question One of the
[1:34:20] issues that I hear most of in
[1:34:25] my area is is traffic problems
[1:34:26] speeding running red lights,
[1:34:32] it that causes a lot of
[1:34:32] accidents. We've got a lot of
[1:34:33] vision, 0 issues. We've had
[1:34:37] some hit and run deaths. What
[1:34:38] is in But yet I saw nothing
[1:34:41] mentioned in the presentation
[1:34:44] about traffic control and I
[1:34:47] know are our revenue from
[1:34:48] tickets. Not that asking you
[1:34:49] to go on to get our whole
[1:34:51] population. But that revenue
[1:34:52] has gone down considerably are
[1:34:53] writing of tickets has gone
[1:34:57] down considerably the result
[1:34:58] is it's a wild wild west out
[1:35:01] on our streets. Sometimes.
[1:35:04] What do you have in mind for
[1:35:04] improving traffic control this
[1:35:08] coming year? Well, I did
[1:35:11] mention in my presentation,
[1:35:12] our transparency website and
[1:35:16] there Traffic statistics
[1:35:18] located at that transparency
[1:35:18] website. So you can see the
[1:35:23] traffic stop data. There's
[1:35:25] also we have under Chief
[1:35:27] Bailey's tenure. We did add to
[1:35:32] our traffic unit and with our
[1:35:33] staffing challenges. Frankly,
[1:35:37] it's hard sometimes to do more
[1:35:38] proactive work. But when we
[1:35:40] get those traffic complaints,
[1:35:41] which we've also improved the
[1:35:42] process of receiving the
[1:35:44] traffic complaints by
[1:35:45] providing that that link and
[1:35:49] then streamlining that data to
[1:35:50] the impacted neighborhoods. So
[1:35:51] the officers that worked that
[1:35:52] area and our traffic unit, as
[1:35:55] a matter of fact, on my way
[1:35:56] into work this morning, I
[1:35:57] passed one of our traffic
[1:36:00] officers that was running
[1:36:02] radar, doing traffic on Bull
[1:36:03] Creek Parkway and certainly
[1:36:08] committed to addressing
[1:36:09] particular traffic complaints.
[1:36:11] I hear 2 counselor. I was at a
[1:36:12] community meeting last week
[1:36:13] and it was brought up and they
[1:36:16] also asked for a red light
[1:36:18] traffic cameras to be brought
[1:36:19] here. So I'll just share that
[1:36:23] feedback with u n. They also
[1:36:25] asked Alpr cameras could help
[1:36:28] with red light and traffic
[1:36:30] violations, which I explained
[1:36:30] that it's really not designed
[1:36:32] to function like that. But our
[1:36:34] officers will do all that.
[1:36:36] They can. We have some of our
[1:36:38] officers that are not in the
[1:36:40] running to the taking 9-1-1.
[1:36:42] Calls that can address those
[1:36:43] traffic complaints and they do
[1:36:45] quite often. I know several
[1:36:46] North district officers in our
[1:36:50] community relations do that.
[1:36:50] Clearly, it's not enough. We
[1:36:51] we want to have a safe
[1:36:52] community where everybody
[1:36:55] feels safe on the roads and
[1:36:56] people feel like there's a
[1:36:57] chance that they MAY be held
[1:36:59] accountable for their driving
[1:37:00] behavior. And that's our our
[1:37:01] responsibility and our job to
[1:37:03] do that. So please keep the
[1:37:04] communication open so that we
[1:37:08] can address those issues.
[1:37:10] Originally looking back to the
[1:37:11] summer of 2021 and some of the
[1:37:14] civil unrest we had, my
[1:37:18] understanding was at the time
[1:37:19] that was understanding patrol
[1:37:21] officers that unless you had
[1:37:24] other probable cause, if you
[1:37:25] are at a stoplight and someone
[1:37:28] blatantly ran it, you could
[1:37:30] not go after them unless you
[1:37:31] had another reason such as
[1:37:32] license plate popped up
[1:37:35] something like that, that
[1:37:37] there was order not to engage
[1:37:39] the public to minimize the
[1:37:40] engagement roadside
[1:37:42] engagements that at the time
[1:37:45] at the height of problems
[1:37:46] nationwide. There anything
[1:37:48] still lingering to that effect
[1:37:51] or our officers encouraged?
[1:37:51] You see a traffic violation
[1:37:55] act on it. Yes, sir. To my
[1:37:58] knowledge, there's there's
[1:37:59] certainly not order for me to
[1:37:59] not engage with the public. We
[1:38:01] encourage officers to be
[1:38:03] proactive, especially when
[1:38:04] they're able to one of the
[1:38:06] things that we're trying to
[1:38:07] measure. Again, I mentioned a
[1:38:07] lot about driven
[1:38:11] decision-making. One of the
[1:38:12] things that we've been trying
[1:38:13] to improve on is getting
[1:38:16] accurate data on. What exactly
[1:38:17] is the gist discretionary time
[1:38:21] that our officers have. Are we
[1:38:21] asking is it realistic that
[1:38:22] we're asking them to make all
[1:38:23] these traffic stops or are
[1:38:26] they are literally on run to
[1:38:28] run, to run, to run for their
[1:38:30] entire shift. How much times
[1:38:31] it taking them to enter in a
[1:38:32] police report when they get
[1:38:33] one. How much time is it
[1:38:37] taking them to enter in a
[1:38:39] special report? If they've you
[1:38:40] had to use force they've been
[1:38:41] engaged in a vehicle, pursue
[1:38:43] door if they had some other
[1:38:47] report. That's not crime. So
[1:38:47] we're trying to get accurate
[1:38:49] data so that we can answer
[1:38:51] those questions and understand
[1:38:53] really where we are with their
[1:38:55] discretionary time in the
[1:38:56] meantime, we are we are
[1:38:58] continuing encourage them were
[1:38:59] sharing those traffic
[1:39:01] complaints with them. Officers
[1:39:01] that are working those beets.
[1:39:02] They take real ownership of
[1:39:05] that. It matters to them. It's
[1:39:06] our job to make sure they know
[1:39:07] about those traffic complaints
[1:39:09] so that they can address them.
[1:39:12] And then we'll leverage our
[1:39:12] traffic unit and are our
[1:39:14] proactive units like community
[1:39:17] relations. Some of our violent
[1:39:18] crime task force units at
[1:39:21] times can be tasked with that.
[1:39:22] Good, great final question.
[1:39:22] What makes their and
[1:39:27] COUNCILMAN Phase one here
[1:39:27] special events. Indianapolis
[1:39:31] is prides itself on that. But
[1:39:32] I also appreciate that's a
[1:39:34] considerable expense. That the
[1:39:37] taxpayers bare. We typically
[1:39:40] do not charge. The nfl. The
[1:39:44] nba. In 500, all these big
[1:39:47] events. We just pay all that
[1:39:49] over time. And back to
[1:39:52] counselor Perkins point of
[1:39:53] that's tens of millions of
[1:39:55] dollars that we pay overtime
[1:39:58] to put all these events. Why
[1:40:00] are we looking at getting at
[1:40:03] least some user fee to charge
[1:40:05] some of these folks to help
[1:40:08] pay for our security because
[1:40:09] our taxpayers are paying for
[1:40:12] all that. So I Thank you
[1:40:17] council. I did get some
[1:40:20] information on the Capital
[1:40:22] Improvement Board and a an
[1:40:23] annual contribution that they
[1:40:27] do make to public safety for
[1:40:29] budgets and impd gets 1.8
[1:40:31] 5 million annually added to
[1:40:33] our budget from the cip. So
[1:40:37] that's one part of the answer.
[1:40:39] A second thing that we're
[1:40:45] discussing is we we do the
[1:40:46] sports teams, our traffic unit
[1:40:49] for escorts of the
[1:40:49] professional teams. I think
[1:40:53] that we're weak in an
[1:40:54] evaluation phase. But
[1:40:56] comparing our fees to some of
[1:40:57] the other fees across the
[1:41:00] country. I think we have
[1:41:01] opportunity to re evaluate the
[1:41:02] what those fees look like and
[1:41:03] try to recruit more of our
[1:41:06] expenses on that front. But I
[1:41:08] think that and I MAY be
[1:41:12] speaking out of turn in some
[1:41:13] respects. It's certainly
[1:41:14] important to to staff these
[1:41:18] events in a safe way. It is a
[1:41:19] huge draw on our resources. It
[1:41:21] is a huge impact to our
[1:41:23] officers who have seen an
[1:41:25] increasing number of cancel
[1:41:27] days off on their calendar in
[1:41:28] JANUARY every year when that
[1:41:29] calendar comes out and we
[1:41:33] have, you know, every 4th of
[1:41:36] JULY is canceled for our
[1:41:37] officers. It's not a time for
[1:41:40] them to go and celebrate with
[1:41:41] their loved ones. It's a time
[1:41:41] for them to make sure our
[1:41:45] Indianapolis stay safe. Every
[1:41:46] memorial weekend is a canceled
[1:41:50] a off for the Indy 500. Those
[1:41:51] are real impacts that are that
[1:41:52] are just simply not tangible.
[1:41:55] At the same time we have to
[1:41:56] maintain staffing throughout
[1:42:00] the city while also directing
[1:42:01] a lot of resources to
[1:42:01] concentrated area to keep
[1:42:05] those events safe. That does
[1:42:06] require those cancel days off
[1:42:08] require part of that over time
[1:42:09] as well. So do I think that
[1:42:13] we're recouping one for one on
[1:42:16] all these special events know
[1:42:18] I would I would welcome an
[1:42:19] invitation to conversations to
[1:42:20] what that process looks like
[1:42:23] at the city level from a
[1:42:24] public safety standpoint and
[1:42:25] what that impact public safety
[1:42:28] is. I think one of the things
[1:42:28] that we all have to think
[1:42:32] about. Is what brings people
[1:42:34] to our special events in our
[1:42:35] city for these special events
[1:42:38] for these conventions. It's
[1:42:38] certainly not the lakes in the
[1:42:40] mountains that we have in
[1:42:43] Indianapolis. It's the safe
[1:42:47] walkable downtown. That's
[1:42:48] conveniently located where
[1:42:49] they feel welcomed by who's
[1:42:50] your hospitality right? And
[1:42:55] so. That's a that's a decision
[1:42:57] that's bigger than my seat.
[1:42:59] But I do welcome an invitation
[1:43:01] to the seat at the table for
[1:43:03] those conversations. Thank
[1:43:04] you. And I know that that
[1:43:05] power does not lie within your
[1:43:08] scope of your office, I make
[1:43:10] that issue and bring it up
[1:43:11] publicly every year. So this
[1:43:13] was my opportunity. Thank you.
[1:43:14] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank
[1:43:21] you. Council council hours.
[1:43:22] Thank you, MR. Chair and
[1:43:24] chief. Thank you and your your
[1:43:24] command staff entering final
[1:43:25] out there tonight. And every
[1:43:26] day out there for us for being
[1:43:29] here. Appreciate the work you
[1:43:31] do. I know it's a thankless
[1:43:32] job and belong shoulders and I
[1:43:33] take a lot of pride in what
[1:43:38] you do and thank you for that.
[1:43:39] You've up Clay. Interesting.
[1:43:40] You mentioned the red light
[1:43:43] cameras. To my understanding.
[1:43:44] Is that something that would
[1:43:45] have to come from the state
[1:43:46] House first? That's not
[1:43:50] currently legal. Is Yes, I and
[1:43:51] in the neighborhood meeting, I
[1:43:53] mention to the neighbors that
[1:43:55] patients start talking to
[1:43:56] their lawmakers about that. If
[1:43:57] that's something that they
[1:43:57] want to see in there and their
[1:44:01] community. All absolute if we
[1:44:03] do get to that point here in
[1:44:04] Indianapolis because I think
[1:44:05] we've seen with of the flock
[1:44:06] cameras when flood public's
[1:44:09] trust in that can't imagine
[1:44:10] what a ticket would do from
[1:44:13] camera. You should be have.
[1:44:14] Have officers that can do
[1:44:19] that. Not rely on technology
[1:44:20] the cars you had mentioned
[1:44:23] forgive me if you said the
[1:44:24] number, but that you are
[1:44:26] tonight in your budget. What
[1:44:27] was fiscal requests for those
[1:44:34] cars and how many? The request
[1:44:36] was for 300 vehicles. The
[1:44:38] estimated cost was around
[1:44:40] 13 million, but we were
[1:44:41] planning to finance that. So
[1:44:43] we would have needed financing
[1:44:44] payments. And of course, there
[1:44:44] are variables involved this
[1:44:46] far as interest rates what we
[1:44:49] could purchase at the time.
[1:44:55] Was it about 3? Yeah, actually
[1:44:57] like we we told them we need
[1:45:00] it. 13 million to purchase the
[1:45:04] vehicles to be financed. So
[1:45:05] yeah, we are anticipating
[1:45:12] around 3.2 million. Think we
[1:45:13] had the same conversation last
[1:45:13] year and the frustration, I
[1:45:14] for a lot of us with the set
[1:45:18] at the time to was that. Ok,
[1:45:19] we're not going to do in the
[1:45:20] budget. Wreckage can down the
[1:45:21] road, granted strength in in
[1:45:26] the fall. What is that worth
[1:45:27] to the control? I want it to
[1:45:28] be known that I think we're
[1:45:29] all getting a little tired
[1:45:31] exhausted. That tactic. It's
[1:45:32] not your fault or at all. I
[1:45:33] don't want you folks. I think
[1:45:34] you're working with in the
[1:45:35] balance that you have to work
[1:45:36] within. But I think we need
[1:45:41] to. Stop kicking the can down
[1:45:43] the road. We're going just do
[1:45:44] like that's what I'm here is
[1:45:44] for the budget is to put a
[1:45:46] budget together that we can
[1:45:47] look at and say, here's what
[1:45:48] we just had. Our expenses are
[1:45:49] going to be. And here's what
[1:45:53] we're gonna bring in. And
[1:45:54] doing the spread, doing it
[1:45:56] that way through the spring
[1:45:58] fiscal it seems seems wrong.
[1:45:59] So I think for whatever it's
[1:46:00] worth, think we need to try to
[1:46:01] figure out how you change
[1:46:06] that. The cbo, the park
[1:46:07] Rangers lost on MR. Chair of
[1:46:07] Promise here. How many
[1:46:13] partners that we have? I think
[1:46:15] it's 5 currently and of our
[1:46:19] hope is that we can get 3
[1:46:20] additional into a tear to
[1:46:22] academy. And I starting, think
[1:46:23] it's in JANUARY. So the
[1:46:27] process is open. We're looking
[1:46:28] for applicants and we're
[1:46:32] hoping to add to their ranks.
[1:46:32] I mean, that's the most
[1:46:33] respectful way. She if you
[1:46:41] think are, you know, 5. Yes,
[1:46:41] that is a number that I had
[1:46:43] looked it. Yes, it was 5
[1:46:46] officers you have right now 13
[1:46:47] 83. I would expect, you know,
[1:46:50] the same number with with a
[1:46:51] park ranger. So please compare
[1:46:52] Thank you. Thank you, Mallory
[1:46:57] Council Delaney. Thank you,
[1:47:01] MR. Chair thank you. Chief
[1:47:02] stabbed for coming here
[1:47:02] tonight filling the room full
[1:47:06] of officers as well. Want I
[1:47:08] want to reiterate a counselor,
[1:47:08] but said that I do hear quite
[1:47:10] a bit about traffic issues in
[1:47:11] my district and I'm grateful
[1:47:14] that. That's the number one
[1:47:16] thing that I'm hearing about.
[1:47:17] And as we see that violent
[1:47:19] crime is down, I think folks
[1:47:20] are really concentrating on
[1:47:22] their own neighborhood safety.
[1:47:22] Most of my neighborhoods don't
[1:47:23] have sidewalks. And so folks
[1:47:26] are concerned about getting
[1:47:27] run off the road with their
[1:47:29] kids inside Jen speeding cars
[1:47:31] North district has been really
[1:47:32] great trying to work with me
[1:47:34] and doing speed patrols. But
[1:47:36] those are such a one-off that
[1:47:37] it feels like we could have
[1:47:39] more. And I know it's a bigger
[1:47:39] conversation. But again, I
[1:47:41] just want to reiterate that
[1:47:42] that is one of the biggest
[1:47:44] issues that I hear about is
[1:47:46] just speeding in crazy driving
[1:47:48] and things like that. And so.
[1:47:50] Dpw has a lot of programs to
[1:47:53] help with the bill environment
[1:47:55] and trying to slow folks down.
[1:47:59] I'd like to see more from impd
[1:47:59] getting creative things like
[1:48:00] that in terms of how do we use
[1:48:02] enforcement as well to try to
[1:48:04] help control behaviors just
[1:48:06] generally following up on the
[1:48:11] budget presentation. You have
[1:48:12] a line in here that the
[1:48:13] federal grants are increasing
[1:48:16] by 14 million this year. And
[1:48:17] we've heard from a lot of
[1:48:21] other agencies that they are
[1:48:21] sure that they're getting the
[1:48:22] federal grants. They're
[1:48:23] hopeful that they'll come
[1:48:26] through and years of increased
[1:48:27] more than doubled from this
[1:48:28] year from last. Was hoping you
[1:48:29] could talk a little bit more
[1:48:31] and I MAY for this cause. You
[1:48:33] are getting drowned out at
[1:48:33] some point. So apologize if
[1:48:37] you're having to retrain here,
[1:48:38] but could you talk about what
[1:48:39] what those are going towards
[1:48:42] like? Are they filling a gap
[1:48:43] or are they creating new
[1:48:46] programs? Are they have? And
[1:48:47] then secondarily, have you
[1:48:48] already been given those
[1:48:49] funds? Are you expecting to
[1:48:54] receive them? We are expecting
[1:48:55] to receive them the fall of
[1:48:59] this year and in early next
[1:49:01] year we've applied for
[1:49:04] additional funding for law
[1:49:04] enforcement mental health And
[1:49:07] we applied for some cybercrime
[1:49:08] grants. We have 5
[1:49:09] discretionary funding awards
[1:49:13] that were expecting. All a lot
[1:49:15] of them do fill gaps there for
[1:49:16] equipment that we need. There
[1:49:19] are. I can remember there's
[1:49:23] Lake. I can't remember
[1:49:24] exactly, but I can get back
[1:49:25] with you on exactly what what
[1:49:28] those grants would cover. But
[1:49:30] a lot of its new funding. Some
[1:49:30] are overtime projects to
[1:49:34] swell. Thank you that that's
[1:49:35] all I have. MISTER Chair of
[1:49:39] around thank you, MR.
[1:49:42] CHAIRMAN. Also want to thank
[1:49:44] you for the way that you
[1:49:45] conducted the meeting this far
[1:49:46] this evening. I think you do
[1:49:48] that very well, counselor. I
[1:49:52] think when you and ask
[1:49:54] yourself what makes a good
[1:49:56] chief police in Indianapolis
[1:49:59] and you go back. It is those
[1:50:02] chiefs to handle policy and
[1:50:07] procedure who take issues head
[1:50:08] on handle very difficult
[1:50:10] events and situations often
[1:50:12] times that can't be
[1:50:13] anticipated it and they do so
[1:50:17] in a significant And that's
[1:50:18] not always easy. And in chief,
[1:50:22] I would just say to you then I
[1:50:23] think in the last 7 months
[1:50:24] you've worked very hard.
[1:50:26] Through all of these different
[1:50:28] issues. Those that can be
[1:50:30] planned for in those can't to
[1:50:32] address them in a significant
[1:50:34] way. Whatever that means
[1:50:35] everybody, significant can be
[1:50:37] a relative term. But I think
[1:50:39] that you have worked to handle
[1:50:42] these issues in a significant
[1:50:44] way. And I appreciate that.
[1:50:44] Not all chiefs over the years
[1:50:46] have been able to do so. And
[1:50:49] so I think it's a great a
[1:50:50] tribute to your leadership
[1:50:53] style thus far. I would like
[1:50:53] to talk about the 10 hour
[1:50:56] work. That the shift to 10
[1:51:01] hours. Some of the concerns
[1:51:03] I've heard in the Perry
[1:51:03] Township community and I don't
[1:51:06] believe them to be true, but I
[1:51:07] just thought maybe you could
[1:51:09] talk to those the South side.
[1:51:10] The idea would be that you're
[1:51:16] able to. Shifts together in a
[1:51:17] way that would provide
[1:51:18] additional officers and some
[1:51:21] of those peak times. The
[1:51:23] concern that I've heard is
[1:51:25] that those non peak times
[1:51:29] would have less officers and
[1:51:29] therefore less manpower on the
[1:51:32] streets. It's safe to say that
[1:51:34] even though we've moved to
[1:51:38] these 10 hour shifts, then our
[1:51:41] residents can be assured that
[1:51:41] the quality of their policing
[1:51:43] would not be diminished
[1:51:44] regardless of what shift would
[1:51:46] be. That's correct. That's
[1:51:48] correct. Then an the hours
[1:51:53] that are. The lowest staffing
[1:51:54] are typically between 02:00am
[1:51:57] and 06:00am and that shift
[1:52:00] that gets off around 02:00am
[1:52:01] inevitably is prepared to stay
[1:52:02] over. If there's something
[1:52:05] significant going on in the
[1:52:06] city. So those are the hours
[1:52:08] that we're talking about when
[1:52:12] most neighbors are our sleep
[1:52:12] and the officers and
[1:52:17] supervisors always have if
[1:52:18] there's some significant event
[1:52:22] or incident happening, we can.
[1:52:23] Differ low priority calls to a
[1:52:26] later time. Right before we
[1:52:27] can take an online report, we
[1:52:30] can take a low low priority
[1:52:31] call at a later time and
[1:52:33] different and handle
[1:52:35] emergencies. Our main priority
[1:52:38] is keeping our residents safe
[1:52:39] and they should know that when
[1:52:41] they call 9-1-1. Impd will
[1:52:45] show up for them. So
[1:52:46] regardless of how we
[1:52:47] strategically allocate that
[1:52:48] staffing and how we have
[1:52:50] stacked the shifts, we've have
[1:52:52] strategically stack those
[1:52:54] shifts to give us the most
[1:52:55] coverage during our highest
[1:52:59] volume of calls for service. I
[1:53:00] appreciate that. Chief I I pd
[1:53:01] and impd of always, I think to
[1:53:04] a great job with what and
[1:53:06] sometimes it's called creative
[1:53:10] scheduling in the 1980, 7 Pan
[1:53:11] American Games and today impd.
[1:53:13] So we sent a fabulous job
[1:53:14] throughout Indianapolis and
[1:53:16] Marion County. Expect that to
[1:53:18] continue. Do you anticipate
[1:53:20] with the way that those 10
[1:53:22] hour shifts will be working,
[1:53:23] that things that some of my
[1:53:23] colleagues have talked about
[1:53:25] like increased traffic
[1:53:27] patrols. Do you see more
[1:53:28] opportunities for those type
[1:53:30] of control, those type of
[1:53:32] practices due to the fact
[1:53:32] there might be additional
[1:53:33] officers on the beat at one
[1:53:37] time. Yes, as a matter of
[1:53:38] fact, one of the benefits
[1:53:39] can't believe. I did mention
[1:53:42] this before. Now some of my
[1:53:43] staff is probably screaming at
[1:53:44] me and their heads for not
[1:53:48] saying earlier. One of the
[1:53:49] benefits of the 10. Our model
[1:53:51] is that ever so often there's
[1:53:52] what we call an overlap day.
[1:53:53] And that's when all the
[1:53:55] staffing is all the officers
[1:53:55] are are working at the same
[1:54:01] time. So that affords our
[1:54:04] officers to do more proactive
[1:54:06] projects and affords beat
[1:54:08] officers to tackle a an issue
[1:54:09] in their particular beat or
[1:54:09] their zone with their
[1:54:13] partners. Maybe it's they get
[1:54:14] an undercover car and they
[1:54:15] catch a burglar or maybe it is
[1:54:17] a traffic enforcement detail.
[1:54:21] But they have all shared
[1:54:22] feedback that those overlap
[1:54:24] days or something that they
[1:54:28] enjoy. We're staffing is is
[1:54:30] this heavier? They have more
[1:54:33] flexibility and then obese or
[1:54:34] fuller. They're also
[1:54:35] opportunity for us to provide
[1:54:36] some additional training on
[1:54:37] those overlap days because we
[1:54:41] get the whole shift together.
[1:54:41] Nobody is on their days off
[1:54:43] unless they've taken time off.
[1:54:44] So the overlap days do offer
[1:54:48] that from time to time. And
[1:54:51] it's not a set schedule. So
[1:54:51] you can't really predict and
[1:54:53] we can. But it shouldn't be
[1:54:55] noticeable to the public. I
[1:54:56] just think that's so important
[1:54:59] to know that them there are
[1:55:00] those opportunities, new
[1:55:02] opportunities that will exist
[1:55:07] with these overlap days, too
[1:55:07] increase different areas MAY
[1:55:08] be that we aren't always able
[1:55:11] to focus on. Not only is it
[1:55:12] overwhelmingly popular by rank
[1:55:16] and file officers. I think it
[1:55:17] also has an opportunity to
[1:55:18] build camaraderie amongst the
[1:55:21] troops as well. So I think
[1:55:21] it's a positive step. I think
[1:55:23] it's good that the
[1:55:25] administration has moved this
[1:55:25] way and I'm so happy that the
[1:55:28] that the rank and file have
[1:55:29] also show overwhelming
[1:55:31] support. So I look forward to
[1:55:33] seeing how that works. I think
[1:55:35] it also gives us the ability
[1:55:36] to really continue to go back
[1:55:38] to the community place,
[1:55:39] community policing style that
[1:55:41] maybe we saw back in the 90's
[1:55:43] where we see officers walking
[1:55:44] neighborhoods again. And I
[1:55:47] know it's so hard when we have
[1:55:48] a deficits on numbers, but
[1:55:49] nevertheless, very important
[1:55:52] to continue to strive for. My
[1:55:53] last question is just you
[1:55:56] mentioned that 3 recruits, the
[1:55:57] largest class and in 4 years,
[1:56:03] it's trending up folks. Submit
[1:56:06] their application to join impd
[1:56:08] in that initial process. Do
[1:56:10] you ask them what led them to?
[1:56:14] Take that step? And if so, is
[1:56:16] there anything that you've
[1:56:17] noticed that the council, the
[1:56:18] police department, the
[1:56:19] administration, has been
[1:56:22] investing in seems to be
[1:56:23] paying off in the greatest way
[1:56:25] or is it more of them next?
[1:56:28] Thank you for that question.
[1:56:32] That is something that we have
[1:56:33] recently implemented as a part
[1:56:35] of re envisioning our hiring
[1:56:37] process in our recruitment and
[1:56:37] retention strategies is
[1:56:40] getting that data from our
[1:56:41] applicants. And from our new
[1:56:43] hires, we just got surveys
[1:56:46] back from the last class that
[1:56:48] we swear-in and we've had
[1:56:52] discussions about going back 2
[1:56:53] classes the last several
[1:56:56] classes and trying to get that
[1:56:57] same information. That's
[1:56:58] something as we started
[1:57:00] evaluating our recruiting or
[1:57:02] retention, that we were really
[1:57:04] missing was data that would
[1:57:05] help guide our decision-making
[1:57:09] on. What was bringing people
[1:57:10] through the And it totally
[1:57:13] it's a heart to serve. We are
[1:57:15] seeking people who have a
[1:57:16] heart to make an impact in
[1:57:18] their community. And that
[1:57:19] takes a special person to step
[1:57:20] up step forward and do that
[1:57:24] right now. So I'm happy to
[1:57:26] follow up ongoing with
[1:57:26] communication with you as we
[1:57:28] get some additional data from
[1:57:29] those surveys as we go further
[1:57:31] back recruit classes with that
[1:57:34] information. I appreciate
[1:57:35] that. Chief. I think that is
[1:57:36] critically important when the
[1:57:39] council has talked about
[1:57:40] things specifically with the
[1:57:41] American rescue plan. And when
[1:57:43] we had dollars available and
[1:57:45] we made efforts to invest in a
[1:57:46] variety of different
[1:57:49] initiatives and programs.
[1:57:51] Obviously, we have to use data
[1:57:53] and sorts of methods to be
[1:57:55] able to determine simply what
[1:57:56] was what wasn't effective in
[1:57:59] the truth is this city for
[1:58:00] many years like any other
[1:58:02] major city across America.
[1:58:03] Going to invest in things that
[1:58:06] don't always work. But in the
[1:58:07] same respect, they're going to
[1:58:08] be investing in things that
[1:58:12] are so significant for the
[1:58:13] forward progress of their
[1:58:15] city. And so I think we have a
[1:58:17] better idea of what those
[1:58:19] sayings are coming from. Those
[1:58:22] applicants. It will give here
[1:58:23] at the council, a greater
[1:58:27] ability to ensure that those
[1:58:29] areas are fully to ensure that
[1:58:30] we continue to see that upward
[1:58:32] trend. Thank you. You can also
[1:58:37] make Michael part. Thank you,
[1:58:38] CHAIRMAN. Thank you, chief for
[1:58:39] the presentation. First always
[1:58:43] say. I'm extremely grateful
[1:58:44] for impd the work. You do a
[1:58:45] leadership in the room, but
[1:58:47] also the folks that out on the
[1:58:50] street. I had a lot of
[1:58:50] opportunity to enter
[1:58:51] engagement both through round
[1:58:52] tables. I've hosted. I've been
[1:58:55] to small business group
[1:58:59] conversations I've done ride
[1:58:59] Alongs. Tattoo events to hear
[1:59:03] directly from the community.
[1:59:04] And, you know, the sentiment
[1:59:04] rings true. I'm talking to the
[1:59:09] community. They want basically
[1:59:10] what you expect out of
[1:59:10] government. Her core
[1:59:12] foundation is is public safety
[1:59:13] nets. Impd is a part of that.
[1:59:14] The fire department's part of
[1:59:16] that g m s even dpw is a part
[1:59:17] of that economic development
[1:59:21] is part of that. But you carry
[1:59:22] the brunt of is. There's a lot
[1:59:25] of expectations on impd in
[1:59:28] every single one of those
[1:59:28] officers that are there that
[1:59:29] want to talk to constituents,
[1:59:32] they want the same thing they
[1:59:33] want drugs off the street.
[1:59:34] They want guns off the street
[1:59:35] and they want criminals off
[1:59:36] the street and it's your job
[1:59:40] to do that. And that's the
[1:59:41] hard job. That is a very hard
[1:59:43] job to do. And I'm I'm
[1:59:43] grateful that every single
[1:59:46] officer we have is doing that
[1:59:46] want to sound like a broken
[1:59:47] record, not just on scene
[1:59:50] already. What I talk to you
[1:59:54] about all the time and this is
[1:59:55] a very interesting historical
[1:59:55] staffing locum. I encourage
[1:59:56] everybody to take a look at
[2:00:00] it. Well, I'm going through
[2:00:03] this. So in 2020 2021, our
[2:00:04] peak officers for the history
[2:00:05] in this document potential the
[2:00:06] history of Indianapolis. We
[2:00:07] have the highest number of
[2:00:11] officers 17. 24, but there's a
[2:00:12] trend starting in 2020 all the
[2:00:15] way to now. And there is an
[2:00:18] average that we're losing 60
[2:00:19] officers every year. Worst
[2:00:21] year with 74 officers. And I'm
[2:00:24] I'm really curious what out a
[2:00:24] lot of change since 2020. We
[2:00:25] all know what happened in
[2:00:29] 2020. On average loss of 60.
[2:00:33] What is the split between
[2:00:41] retirement and attrition. I
[2:00:43] don't have the breakdown of
[2:00:45] retirement versus just
[2:00:46] separation, but I can follow
[2:00:47] up with you and provide that
[2:00:50] data that historical. Fairly
[2:00:52] sure we have records of that
[2:00:53] so I I can give you the
[2:00:55] breakdown of it. Yeah. And I
[2:00:56] think is really important
[2:00:58] because folks are are aging
[2:01:00] out. All right. You have a
[2:01:01] particular issue. If you're I
[2:01:02] mean, you MAY know the average
[2:01:04] age of your officers and if
[2:01:07] it's over 50. That's a
[2:01:08] problem, right? And then it's
[2:01:09] going to indicate that there's
[2:01:10] there's probably more people
[2:01:11] retiring. But if it's
[2:01:13] attrition, it's that that
[2:01:16] we're losing officers to
[2:01:18] surrounding areas for
[2:01:19] particular reason. You know,
[2:01:19] part of me, I believe is that
[2:01:23] particular reason is they
[2:01:24] don't feel that they are
[2:01:24] they're wanted in the city as
[2:01:28] a whole. And that is a lot of
[2:01:28] the sentiment that I've
[2:01:30] working with with officers.
[2:01:32] And I think ultimately has to
[2:01:34] be a big part. Allard know
[2:01:36] their recruitment, but the
[2:01:39] retain Mont portion of the
[2:01:40] strategy with an impd which
[2:01:42] leads me to my next question.
[2:01:43] You put together the strategic
[2:01:47] plan and in that I'm confident
[2:01:49] there is a recruitment
[2:01:51] retention plan. What are the
[2:01:51] measurable goals that are set
[2:01:54] out within that? So we can
[2:01:58] start seeing one a loss in
[2:02:00] officers, but to again, well,
[2:02:02] just just getting to a net
[2:02:03] gain every year, I suppose to
[2:02:07] be and important first step.
[2:02:10] Yes, some of the things that I
[2:02:10] discussed during the
[2:02:14] presentation on recruitment
[2:02:15] and retention. We're getting
[2:02:17] the data that we need to make
[2:02:21] those decisions tracking what
[2:02:23] is working in our recruitment
[2:02:23] strategies. When I talk about
[2:02:27] returns on investments, we are
[2:02:29] continually engaging those
[2:02:30] applicants and then using
[2:02:31] these surveys and these
[2:02:31] questionnaires to try to
[2:02:35] identify. First of all, how
[2:02:35] did you hear about us? What
[2:02:38] brought you through the door?
[2:02:42] What are the specific? What do
[2:02:42] you think? How long you think
[2:02:46] you're going to stay here?
[2:02:49] What things about do you like
[2:02:50] that are bringing needs
[2:02:50] through the door? Certainly
[2:02:53] there's a difference between
[2:02:56] big city policing and rural
[2:02:57] policing and to speak to your
[2:03:00] first question. It is a
[2:03:01] combination of retirements and
[2:03:02] resignations. I'll tell you
[2:03:05] that. We've also seen several
[2:03:07] officers that have left our
[2:03:09] agency who have also returned
[2:03:10] to our agency after leaving
[2:03:12] and going to a different
[2:03:15] agency. So I think that's
[2:03:16] indicative of sometimes the
[2:03:18] grass MAY appear to be greener
[2:03:22] on the other side and then you
[2:03:23] have to use your lived
[2:03:24] experience and make a decision
[2:03:25] that's best for you and your
[2:03:26] family. And that has
[2:03:27] ultimately led some officers
[2:03:29] back to impd. One of the
[2:03:32] things that I always talk
[2:03:34] about amongst officers,
[2:03:36] especially officers who don't
[2:03:37] have exposure sometimes to
[2:03:39] other jurisdictions. Other
[2:03:40] police officers from other
[2:03:41] agencies. Networking is very
[2:03:44] important. Thankfully, I have
[2:03:48] that opportunity. And when I
[2:03:50] see hear about things that are
[2:03:51] happening in other
[2:03:52] jurisdictions and things that
[2:03:52] other agencies are
[2:03:57] experiencing are doing. It's
[2:03:58] very apparent to me the impd
[2:04:00] is doing a lot of things right
[2:04:02] already. We do set the
[2:04:03] standard in many ways. We are
[2:04:04] one of the best agencies in
[2:04:07] the country. We are trying to
[2:04:07] measure those things. We are
[2:04:11] using for second deputies.
[2:04:11] Again, I need you guys to
[2:04:16] watch the audience because
[2:04:21] they got to got to got to go
[2:04:22] deputy's to go deputy. Yes, to
[2:04:28] go. Minute. We made it very
[2:04:28] clear. Had chance as they got
[2:04:31] to go.
[2:04:39] And deputies, why are you guys
[2:04:45] doing there? He has to go
[2:04:52] settle to you. Got to go
[2:04:54] MISTER MISTER
[2:05:22] You have to go
[2:05:41] in
[2:05:51] Thank you
[2:06:01] all still in
[2:06:23] deputy. Was he still here? You
[2:06:44] can go out this door a
[2:07:21] to
[2:07:30] continue. Its CHAIRMAN.
[2:07:30] Councilor heart of the other
[2:07:31] part of my answer, your
[2:07:32] question, is that something
[2:07:35] that we've also been doing?
[2:07:38] It's on those separations
[2:07:40] refining our exit interviews,
[2:07:42] making that data that we can
[2:07:44] use so that we can go back.
[2:07:45] And if there are retention
[2:07:46] issues that that the agency
[2:07:49] has control over, we want to
[2:07:51] proactively address those
[2:07:53] issues internally and continue
[2:07:55] to make this agency an agency
[2:07:56] that our officers choose to be
[2:07:58] choose to continue to serve
[2:08:01] and want to be here. So those
[2:08:02] are things that we have
[2:08:03] identified to the course of
[2:08:05] this year through the
[2:08:06] implementation of the streets,
[2:08:07] strategic plan and any
[2:08:10] measurables out of that.
[2:08:11] Again, you and counselor I'm
[2:08:13] happy to have those ongoing
[2:08:13] conversations with you so we
[2:08:16] can work together to identify
[2:08:17] what the issues are. And if
[2:08:18] there's things within our
[2:08:22] control Thank you all wrapped
[2:08:22] up with MR. CHAIRMAN is that,
[2:08:24] you know, I've. I've got a
[2:08:27] business and where but the
[2:08:29] types of folks that I got to I
[2:08:32] can't hire experience. People
[2:08:33] write that if they were there
[2:08:33] already said they're happy.
[2:08:35] They're in their ways. We hire
[2:08:35] folks. We have to get them
[2:08:36] when there are new to the
[2:08:37] career and trying you know, we
[2:08:40] actually have to go find them
[2:08:41] in schools and bring them
[2:08:42] create our own pipeline of
[2:08:44] recruitment. I think. You
[2:08:46] know, from my observation,
[2:08:48] that's our biggest opportunity
[2:08:48] for growth here in the city is
[2:08:49] how do we create a pipeline?
[2:08:53] And I say that having gone to
[2:08:54] a career in technical school
[2:08:54] where at that current
[2:08:57] technical school, there was an
[2:08:57] option, 4 ifd not. I do. But
[2:09:00] to be a fireman, there is an
[2:09:03] opportunity ms, but there's
[2:09:06] not an opportunity to find a
[2:09:08] role impd. And I I realize you
[2:09:09] can't be an impd officer at 18
[2:09:12] years old, right? But what are
[2:09:14] other ways that we can start
[2:09:14] getting folks acclimated to
[2:09:19] what that looks like. At age
[2:09:21] of career and technical are an
[2:09:23] option because if we don't
[2:09:24] start creating that pipeline,
[2:09:25] I think we're going to
[2:09:28] continue to see just a
[2:09:30] decrease of officers for a
[2:09:31] long time coming. And I think
[2:09:31] there's been a lot of
[2:09:33] precedent because they're
[2:09:35] zeroes on that same chart to
[2:09:36] the right, which means there's
[2:09:38] years that we didn't hire
[2:09:39] officers, which those years
[2:09:41] that we froze hiring, which
[2:09:44] hurt us in the future. So, you
[2:09:45] know, there's a lot of things
[2:09:46] that have got us to this point
[2:09:47] today. But I think we're gonna
[2:09:48] have to figure out a creative
[2:09:49] strategy of create a pipeline
[2:09:50] for Ghana. But those numbers
[2:09:55] up in the future. Yes,
[2:09:55] counselor can agree more. I
[2:09:57] would like to mention that we
[2:10:01] do have a cadet program while
[2:10:02] it's small. It's still is
[2:10:03] cadet program for younger
[2:10:04] folks that are of age to apply
[2:10:08] for impd as a sworn officer. I
[2:10:09] also view our public safety
[2:10:10] officer positions as one of
[2:10:13] those potential pipelines. We
[2:10:14] have at least one former
[2:10:15] public safety officer that's
[2:10:19] in our sworn process and MAY
[2:10:20] become a sworn officer. At
[2:10:23] some point. We're also looking
[2:10:25] at the public safety officer
[2:10:26] roles of potential pipeline to
[2:10:28] our park Ranger program as
[2:10:29] well. We have existing public
[2:10:32] safety officers that I believe
[2:10:33] are intending to apply for the
[2:10:36] openings to park Rangers.
[2:10:38] We're also working at
[2:10:39] formalizing an internship
[2:10:41] program so that we can attract
[2:10:43] some folks that maybe aren't
[2:10:46] sure and get them into our
[2:10:48] organization, expose them to
[2:10:49] our organization and invite
[2:10:49] them to be a permanent part of
[2:10:51] the organization. Figure
[2:10:52] Counselor, Counselor Grace,
[2:10:56] thank you. Chief. Our chief,
[2:10:59] thank you for your
[2:10:59] presentation. Just a quick
[2:11:04] question. And then comments.
[2:11:07] She for the department worked
[2:11:10] with 6. If it can. West
[2:11:13] officers, then the regulatory
[2:11:14] bodies has suggested a city
[2:11:15] like Indianapolis. You have.
[2:11:22] Today. Our reality 13 83.
[2:11:24] Yeah. We still talk about this
[2:11:25] 17. 43, I think for me, chief,
[2:11:28] if you can really talk about
[2:11:30] the origin of 17, 43, why that
[2:11:31] number why that number was
[2:11:33] arrived at. When we see crime
[2:11:35] going in the right direction
[2:11:37] at 13, 83 and have a final
[2:11:43] comment chair. The 17. 43
[2:11:45] number to my recollection was
[2:11:47] the number that was
[2:11:50] implemented under Mayor
[2:11:51] Hogsett administration early
[2:11:54] in his administration MAY be
[2:11:54] the first or second year of
[2:11:57] that administration. I think
[2:12:00] that and conversations with
[2:12:02] Chief Bailey some outside
[2:12:03] organizations and it's been a
[2:12:05] while have recommended arced
[2:12:06] our strength to be closer to
[2:12:11] the 2,2200 range, not even 17.
[2:12:13] 43 and I love that. You
[2:12:14] pointed out that we are making
[2:12:17] great strides in crime
[2:12:19] reduction, even well. 360
[2:12:20] officers short of our
[2:12:22] authorized staffing. I think
[2:12:24] that we have been very
[2:12:25] intentional in our strategies
[2:12:28] and the gun violence reduction
[2:12:30] strategy specifically and
[2:12:32] leveraging those partnerships
[2:12:34] to achieve those reductions in
[2:12:36] crime. But it does come at a
[2:12:39] cost because there is a lot of
[2:12:40] overtime involved and
[2:12:42] maintaining that level of
[2:12:43] service, which we do not want
[2:12:47] to take shortcuts on. So and
[2:12:48] chief, I heard presentation
[2:12:52] about the need for 17. 43, but
[2:12:53] I want to know why we've
[2:12:54] arrived at that number. We've
[2:12:56] seen success. It's 360
[2:12:59] officers short and I'm curious
[2:13:00] to know, is it time to
[2:13:01] readjust that number because
[2:13:04] we're continually funding at
[2:13:05] that number. Yes, we've heard
[2:13:07] the 212200, you know, expected
[2:13:10] number. But even at the 17,
[2:13:14] 43, the funded number. I think
[2:13:14] we're working well. I'd love
[2:13:15] to know what the origin of 70
[2:13:20] 43 is. Origin was under Mayor
[2:13:23] Hogsett administration as far
[2:13:24] as that goes. But I would
[2:13:27] argue that. I've heard from
[2:13:29] counselors all evening about
[2:13:30] things that you'd like to see
[2:13:33] out of our agency. There are
[2:13:34] things that I agree with that
[2:13:36] i'd like to see out of our
[2:13:38] agency. There are times that I
[2:13:40] remember as a young officer
[2:13:41] myself having the latitude to
[2:13:45] do during my patrol shift that
[2:13:46] officers that are working
[2:13:46] today don't have the same
[2:13:50] luxury to do. Technology has
[2:13:50] changed times of change.
[2:13:52] Staffing levels have certainly
[2:13:54] changed. If we had that
[2:13:56] additional staffing, we would
[2:13:56] be able to provide an even
[2:14:00] higher level of service. And
[2:14:03] while we've achieved great
[2:14:04] reductions in our violence or
[2:14:04] violent crimes and even our
[2:14:06] property crimes, quality of
[2:14:07] life issues to me, I'm not
[2:14:09] satisfied with that. There's
[2:14:11] still too much violence and we
[2:14:12] have more work to do and we
[2:14:13] need more officers to be able
[2:14:17] to do that. And I certainly
[2:14:19] appreciate that. Slight
[2:14:21] clarification can come back to
[2:14:23] that. But I MARCH air finally,
[2:14:26] I have a a comment or maybe a
[2:14:32] suggestion considering recent
[2:14:33] shootings in shootings that
[2:14:35] happened in the black
[2:14:38] community across Indianapolis
[2:14:39] chief. I think it's time that
[2:14:40] we really look and consider
[2:14:41] the research that has shown
[2:14:46] that black officers. Use force
[2:14:47] less frequently, particularly
[2:14:48] when interacting with black
[2:14:51] residents. Increasing the
[2:14:52] number of black officers can
[2:14:54] strengthen trust, improve
[2:14:57] community cooperation and help
[2:14:57] officers obtain the
[2:14:58] information needed to prevent
[2:15:00] violence and solve crimes. A
[2:15:01] department that reflects the
[2:15:02] community. It serves as better
[2:15:03] position to protect that
[2:15:06] community. Chief, to recap.
[2:15:09] Our community is hurting the
[2:15:09] black community Indianapolis
[2:15:13] is heard. I think one
[2:15:14] suggestion is that we hire
[2:15:17] more black officers to patrol
[2:15:18] our committees, whatever it
[2:15:20] takes to attract and retain
[2:15:20] those officers. We have to do
[2:15:23] it. Thank you. MISTER Chair.
[2:15:24] Think also just a comment.
[2:15:27] Some counselors, anyone else
[2:15:29] will circle back to the
[2:15:29] council Perkins. Then round
[2:15:30] groups will go to the audience
[2:15:33] to get public testimony. Thank
[2:15:36] you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. I think
[2:15:37] tonight is an example for me
[2:15:45] off. Community. Lived on the
[2:15:48] tension on the pressure and
[2:15:52] often times. Our voice, not
[2:15:53] frustration is interpreted as
[2:16:05] violent. It's not lost on me.
[2:16:06] What has transpired here
[2:16:14] tonight. And I wonder. What my
[2:16:15] colleague just shared in terms
[2:16:19] off. The numbers. And a
[2:16:25] vacancy. I wonder. Instead of
[2:16:30] our strategic plan. We need to
[2:16:30] look at a different way of
[2:16:39] public safety. Indianapolis is
[2:16:42] not unique. In not being able
[2:16:46] to fill vacancies. I think
[2:16:48] what we oftentimes feel to do.
[2:16:53] It's a take the opportunity.
[2:16:56] To be relevant in the moment.
[2:16:58] If you look across the entire
[2:17:00] country, major cities are
[2:17:03] having challenges recruiting
[2:17:04] police officers to fit in the
[2:17:04] traditional way in which we
[2:17:07] police our communities. It's
[2:17:11] all for that to us as a
[2:17:11] consideration. I also want to
[2:17:14] follow up on the question and
[2:17:17] by my colleague, Minority
[2:17:22] leader around. Our vehicles on
[2:17:24] our fleet. What we do know. Is
[2:17:27] that we approved resources to
[2:17:33] purchase. 180. New vehicles.
[2:17:35] What we do know is that your
[2:17:37] requested me was around 300.
[2:17:41] What we don't know. Is how
[2:17:42] many vehicles, new vehicles
[2:17:44] you have right now. That has
[2:17:46] been sittin in a lot waiting
[2:17:47] to be outfitted to get on the
[2:17:52] road. We don't know that. And
[2:17:54] so I think that's important
[2:17:55] for the community. And it's
[2:17:56] important for you to know
[2:17:57] that, right? If we're
[2:18:00] purchasing new vehicles. Yet
[2:18:01] we still have vehicles sit and
[2:18:07] just waited. They have to be a
[2:18:08] better way for community move
[2:18:10] forward. Has to be a better
[2:18:16] way. And so I offer both my
[2:18:18] questions and my comments is
[2:18:20] as as an encouragement for us
[2:18:22] to to remain at the table.
[2:18:25] Don't back away from the
[2:18:26] opportunity to be innovative
[2:18:26] in this moment. I truly
[2:18:32] believe. That this. Is Colin
[2:18:33] us Indianapolis to look at a
[2:18:34] different way of public
[2:18:37] safety. Thank you, MR.
[2:18:38] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Council
[2:18:41] Council Brown. Thank you, MR.
[2:18:43] CHAIRMAN to everything that
[2:18:44] council Perkins or said. Thank
[2:18:46] you for saying that, sir. I
[2:18:47] want to quickly ask a couple
[2:18:48] questions just to follow up
[2:18:53] earlier questions. Last week.
[2:18:53] We had the city what I would
[2:18:55] describe as a terrorist
[2:18:56] attack. People are living in
[2:18:59] fear. I cannot tell you the
[2:19:00] number of frightened phone
[2:19:01] calls I got from parents,
[2:19:03] teachers, principals, children
[2:19:06] at the physical therapy, place
[2:19:08] that I go to take care of very
[2:19:10] painful issue in my neck and
[2:19:11] shoulder. That's a 20% of
[2:19:13] their patient appointments
[2:19:14] were canceled due to fear of
[2:19:17] what was going on last week.
[2:19:17] That's not just an economic
[2:19:20] impact. That's literally
[2:19:21] dozens of dozen people that
[2:19:23] clinic alone living in pain,
[2:19:24] physical pain because of what
[2:19:27] happened last week. When I
[2:19:28] reached out on Monday, you let
[2:19:29] me know you haven't heard
[2:19:30] anything about this. When I
[2:19:32] reached out to commander fully
[2:19:33] during the downtown district
[2:19:34] calling Tuesday, he also had
[2:19:35] not heard anything about this.
[2:19:37] There were hundreds of report.
[2:19:38] All over our city. And so to
[2:19:42] me. You know, I hate to even
[2:19:46] say this, but if indeed, we
[2:19:46] are beginning on us
[2:19:50] information. Then that is a
[2:19:52] gigantic intelligence failure.
[2:19:54] Why are we not better commit
[2:19:56] connecting with our community?
[2:19:57] I mean, you couldn't go on
[2:20:00] social media without scene.
[2:20:01] Live video of masks. People
[2:20:03] snatching folks out of cars.
[2:20:05] When I sent a license plate
[2:20:06] over saying there was just
[2:20:07] abduction tied to this license
[2:20:10] plate number. You and no one
[2:20:10] under sec even responded to
[2:20:16] that email. So when you say
[2:20:18] you had no interactions with
[2:20:18] ice, assuming that was the
[2:20:21] agency in charge last week,
[2:20:22] you know, I noticed in your
[2:20:23] budget if I kind of the
[2:20:24] numbers, right, you have 2.2
[2:20:25] million dollars for federal
[2:20:28] liaison Ce not one of your
[2:20:28] federal liaison side of the
[2:20:29] inclination of what was
[2:20:30] happening. I mean, when you
[2:20:30] say you didn't have
[2:20:31] communication, is that still
[2:20:37] true today? So what is
[2:20:38] preventing your department
[2:20:40] from using the flock
[2:20:41] technology from using these
[2:20:45] 1300 sworn officers to try to
[2:20:46] prevent what a group of people
[2:20:47] who have not identified
[2:20:48] themselves to the chief of
[2:20:49] police or the mayor of the
[2:20:50] city. Why would you not why we
[2:20:55] do not try to stop them. I
[2:20:58] would just remind you that the
[2:21:00] federal agencies have no
[2:21:02] mandate to notify local law
[2:21:03] enforcement when they conduct
[2:21:04] operations involving federal
[2:21:07] and Portsmouth, federal laws.
[2:21:09] So they're not required to
[2:21:10] notify U.S. And they likely
[2:21:11] won't notify you as long as
[2:21:13] you put up no resistance when
[2:21:15] they don't. If you don't pay
[2:21:16] and incentives structure that
[2:21:16] makes it worse for them not to
[2:21:17] notify you. Why would they
[2:21:24] have another fight? Okay. I
[2:21:26] mean, I guess it for the
[2:21:27] questions I find this
[2:21:28] extremely Don't know why we
[2:21:30] pay so much for public safety
[2:21:31] if people could be kidnapped
[2:21:32] off the streets and our law
[2:21:32] enforcement can't even
[2:21:37] communicate about that. Going
[2:21:38] on to counseling graves. His
[2:21:38] comments about demographics
[2:21:40] and the force. You know, I do
[2:21:41] appreciate the efforts that
[2:21:45] you've made. And I think you'd
[2:21:47] agree are 4 still does not
[2:21:48] look like the people that pay
[2:21:50] our taxes and that we
[2:21:52] represent. On that note, I
[2:21:53] want to ask if you have this
[2:21:54] available, how many impd sworn
[2:21:55] officers live in Marion
[2:22:01] County. I can get that
[2:22:03] information. We do have that
[2:22:03] information. I report back to
[2:22:04] you on that. I don't have it
[2:22:08] memorized. Yeah, no. It's much
[2:22:09] easier to say here on the mike
[2:22:10] that actually do recruitment
[2:22:12] and communities. But I wager
[2:22:14] if we had more than 5 Hispanic
[2:22:16] officers, we might have had
[2:22:17] better insights as to what was
[2:22:19] happening with ice. For
[2:22:20] example, and, you know, costs
[2:22:22] might go down if we're not
[2:22:24] sending take-home cars to
[2:22:26] donut counties. You know, from
[2:22:26] my conversations with rank and
[2:22:27] file officers and sounds like
[2:22:29] there's a push to expand that
[2:22:33] to 2 counties away for people
[2:22:34] to have take home cars. I'm
[2:22:34] not sure if that's moving
[2:22:38] forward or not. I understand
[2:22:39] the need to keep morale up
[2:22:41] with the heartbreak of
[2:22:43] officers. But there are
[2:22:44] 900,000 people in the city.
[2:22:45] It's really hard for me to
[2:22:45] believe we don't have anybody
[2:22:46] who could do a decent job of
[2:22:48] the police officer with the
[2:22:48] 26th. Check of training
[2:22:55] invention on that note. I do
[2:22:56] want to my harsh say I want to
[2:22:58] give you and your commanders
[2:22:59] and all the wreckage officers
[2:22:59] who do this because you are
[2:23:02] doing an impossible job. It is
[2:23:03] truly unfair. What this
[2:23:04] council with this mayor, what
[2:23:06] the city asks of you and your
[2:23:08] staff, it's impossible. You
[2:23:09] can't blood from a stone. And
[2:23:12] to my colleagues point, you
[2:23:13] cannot do the work of 1700
[2:23:15] officers with 1300 officers.
[2:23:18] You just can't do it. Every
[2:23:19] job I've ever had that tried
[2:23:20] to downsize staff and just
[2:23:23] told us to do more It didn't
[2:23:23] work out that way. It just
[2:23:27] ended up that some of the I
[2:23:28] didn't get at some of that.
[2:23:30] He's didn't get caught. Some
[2:23:31] of the people making 3800
[2:23:32] searchers on flock cameras
[2:23:35] didn't get investigated right?
[2:23:36] That's that's because you
[2:23:37] don't have the staff to do all
[2:23:38] the things that are on your
[2:23:40] shoulders. I appreciate leader
[2:23:41] Mowery mentioning that park
[2:23:43] Rangers are important public
[2:23:47] safety future. But but that is
[2:23:49] like a purple level of respect
[2:23:49] would be a greater level
[2:23:53] respect as recognition that. 5
[2:23:54] or even 8 park Rangers, 4 of
[2:23:59] 400 square miles City Miles,
[2:24:00] City it. You know, impossible
[2:24:01] that they're not gonna be able
[2:24:02] to do their jobs actually make
[2:24:04] the park safe. And so I think
[2:24:06] that you should expect or for
[2:24:08] this council, you expect By
[2:24:11] Mike like off is should
[2:24:11] certainly expect more from the
[2:24:18] mayor. But we need to to cause
[2:24:19] a partisan basis point
[2:24:20] reinvent public safety because
[2:24:22] we can't keep doing the old
[2:24:22] model without the same
[2:24:23] resource and staff that we
[2:24:27] once had. You know, we could
[2:24:28] have some creativity into some
[2:24:29] municipal code changes where
[2:24:30] necessary since the park
[2:24:32] Rangers demonstrate we do have
[2:24:34] a category of sworn officers
[2:24:34] level to Riley at training as
[2:24:37] opposed to a level one. Why
[2:24:38] couldn't we have a new
[2:24:38] category of sworn officers
[2:24:40] just for traffic enforcement
[2:24:42] if they didn't serve warrants,
[2:24:44] that could alleviate some of
[2:24:45] what constituted heard in the
[2:24:46] past about, you unwelcome
[2:24:48] interactions between the
[2:24:49] public. You know, we're not
[2:24:53] we're not putting anybody and
[2:24:53] lives risk were not know
[2:24:54] what's drawing a gun when
[2:24:55] you're the most. That could
[2:24:56] happen as a person orange
[2:24:57] that's get your parking ticket
[2:24:58] traffic moving violation.
[2:25:02] Could do that. And I will give
[2:25:03] credit for some of your staff
[2:25:04] commander fully of downtown
[2:25:05] district has done an excellent
[2:25:07] job. Just looking for problems
[2:25:08] that could be solved within
[2:25:11] the city government as an
[2:25:12] example, food trucks are not
[2:25:13] legally allowed to operate
[2:25:16] after 11:00pm, but only bns
[2:25:19] that visits neighborhood
[2:25:20] services agents can issue them
[2:25:23] violation of that after
[2:25:24] 11:00pm being agents are out
[2:25:25] after 11:00pm. But downtown
[2:25:26] district officers absolutely
[2:25:29] out there on foot. So why
[2:25:31] can't we internally circle the
[2:25:32] wagons and get jurisdiction to
[2:25:33] cover the things that they're
[2:25:34] standing there able to do
[2:25:37] anyway and then why can't we
[2:25:39] take some frankly, ridiculous
[2:25:40] hats off of the officers
[2:25:41] shoulders. So when I did buy
[2:25:43] right along with downtown
[2:25:45] district for the 10 hour
[2:25:46] shift, the very first thing
[2:25:47] that the officer I worked with
[2:25:51] had to do was walk around to
[2:25:53] wire privatized parking South
[2:25:54] Meridian Street and hang
[2:25:57] handwritten signs over each
[2:25:59] parking meter spot saying no
[2:26:00] parking Friday and Saturday
[2:26:03] evening by order of impd for
[2:26:04] Public Safety. That is
[2:26:05] ridiculous. When an average of
[2:26:09] $130,000 a year officer is
[2:26:10] literally taking twine, tied
[2:26:11] it around, assigned a writing
[2:26:13] on it with a marker. What we
[2:26:13] have to find some efficiencies
[2:26:15] and not ask each police
[2:26:17] officer to just be the Batman
[2:26:21] with 1000 jobs, right? We need
[2:26:22] to continue funding. Clc are
[2:26:24] continue any any sort of non
[2:26:27] police. Nancy, one officer
[2:26:28] efforts to end a crime on the
[2:26:31] issue of homelessness, I will
[2:26:32] commend officers. Major
[2:26:32] McIlroy has done a great job.
[2:26:33] I think with that program that
[2:26:37] shouldn't be impd is job he I
[2:26:37] walked around with Captain
[2:26:40] Leary who personally both
[2:26:41] people up and Lugar plaza
[2:26:42] professionally politely
[2:26:44] humanely. But insistently and
[2:26:46] encourage them to keep
[2:26:48] walking. That is crazy for
[2:26:49] police captain to have to do
[2:26:51] that job. Just what we're
[2:26:53] seeing across part. My tirade.
[2:26:57] But what we're seeing across
[2:26:58] this enterprise is a total
[2:27:00] failure to lead to be
[2:27:03] creative. We're using a number
[2:27:04] that was made up a decade ago
[2:27:05] for no reason other than
[2:27:07] that's the number we made up a
[2:27:07] decade ago. Where is the
[2:27:08] creativity with the
[2:27:08] leadership? Where is our
[2:27:11] mayor? This guy in the room
[2:27:16] today I MISS Him. You know, we
[2:27:18] talk about the Cip has an
[2:27:18] agreement that hasn't been
[2:27:22] updated. 12 years. I checked.
[2:27:24] Way underpaying another made
[2:27:25] patrol cip the mail service
[2:27:26] patrol, the jails that are
[2:27:27] being overcrowded with people
[2:27:29] outside of Marin County. The
[2:27:30] mayor doesn't directly control
[2:27:31] the roads that the state House
[2:27:32] doesn't appropriately. Fund
[2:27:34] for. The man hasn't said a
[2:27:35] word that I'm aware of about
[2:27:37] Dallas jet. The mayor surely
[2:27:38] was not on camera talking
[2:27:40] about eyes just about his
[2:27:41] potential run for mayor again,
[2:27:42] breaking its promise a second
[2:27:45] time. But it's not just the
[2:27:46] mayor. We've seen a failure of
[2:27:47] leadership here in this room
[2:27:50] tonight. The community has
[2:27:53] been calling for a public
[2:27:53] meeting, a public hearing of a
[2:27:55] public safety. And instead the
[2:27:56] hearing that was already
[2:27:57] scheduled without excuses to
[2:27:58] throw dozens of people out of
[2:27:59] the room. So when we do hear
[2:28:00] the public comment and with
[2:28:01] that goes into the record
[2:28:03] tonight, I just want it known
[2:28:06] that there was considerably
[2:28:08] more people who took time out
[2:28:09] of day pay to park downtown,
[2:28:11] went through airport security.
[2:28:12] And then were manhandled
[2:28:13] rather than being able to
[2:28:13] speak to the elected
[2:28:16] government. You know,
[2:28:16] workspace on the taxes they
[2:28:19] pay for us. So. Didn't have a
[2:28:20] question at the end, I guess.
[2:28:22] But I guess I got my time.
[2:28:28] Thank you. For Brown. Thank
[2:28:29] you, MR. CHAIRMAN couple just
[2:28:30] final quick questions. I'll
[2:28:34] try to be brief new chief just
[2:28:38] to share with us the extent of
[2:28:39] the de-escalation training.
[2:28:40] That's part of the academy and
[2:28:43] what type of post academy
[2:28:43] training is involved
[2:28:50] de-escalation. Yes. So one of
[2:28:52] the things that I described in
[2:28:55] the presentation was the eye
[2:28:55] cat, the Integrated
[2:28:56] Communication assessment
[2:29:00] tactics. Does encourage
[2:29:01] officers to slow down to make
[2:29:06] a plan. We also reinforced
[2:29:07] consistently time distance and
[2:29:08] barriers. When you get out of
[2:29:13] the academy ongoing range
[2:29:14] training, ongoing defensive
[2:29:15] tactics training that
[2:29:19] emphasizes. Slowing down using
[2:29:21] time. If you have using
[2:29:22] distance, if you had of it and
[2:29:24] using barriers, if you have
[2:29:25] it. So you do allow yourself
[2:29:28] that time to create a plan, a
[2:29:30] safety plan and use proper
[2:29:32] tactics to keep both you and
[2:29:33] community safe while you're
[2:29:34] handling whatever the problem
[2:29:38] is in front of you, the crisis
[2:29:39] intervention term training is
[2:29:40] something that we continue to
[2:29:43] invest in with our officers,
[2:29:44] which also teaches officers
[2:29:50] how to interact appropriate
[2:29:50] appropriately with folks who
[2:29:51] maybe have some mental health
[2:29:52] issues or substance abuse
[2:30:01] issues. Various. Conditions
[2:30:01] that they're trained to try to
[2:30:06] approach by using proper
[2:30:08] boysen fraught inflections by
[2:30:08] MAY be using not using
[2:30:14] flashlights by. Taking a
[2:30:14] different approach. Certainly
[2:30:17] not touching somebody,
[2:30:17] especially when we're talking
[2:30:21] about some autistic
[2:30:21] individuals that MAY make
[2:30:24] scare them more, create a
[2:30:25] reaction out of them. And we
[2:30:28] also consistently try to look
[2:30:29] at what other resources we
[2:30:32] have available the moment
[2:30:32] that might taken a uniformed
[2:30:33] police officer out of that
[2:30:34] position, especially when it
[2:30:39] comes to mental health shoes.
[2:30:41] The time barriers that I
[2:30:42] mentioned at our range
[2:30:47] training. Not every situation
[2:30:48] is something that requires 4
[2:30:49] sets a last resort. But we
[2:30:52] also want to train officers to
[2:30:54] be safe at the end of the day
[2:30:57] that train that proper
[2:31:00] training does Reed's result
[2:31:01] fewer instances of force. And
[2:31:04] you can see on the
[2:31:06] transparency website that
[2:31:08] downward trajectory and those
[2:31:11] use-of-force I hope I hit a
[2:31:12] high level without being a
[2:31:14] training academy instructor
[2:31:16] myself. But those are some of
[2:31:17] the high level things that our
[2:31:20] agency continues to invest in.
[2:31:22] We continue to look at things
[2:31:24] through that lens. We can
[2:31:24] treat continue to try to
[2:31:26] incorporate those things and
[2:31:29] those concepts in our policies
[2:31:30] even de-escalation is
[2:31:30] something that is part of the
[2:31:31] language in our use force
[2:31:36] policies. When we do after
[2:31:37] actions and review incidents,
[2:31:39] we look through that lens of
[2:31:42] what were the opportunities
[2:31:43] and what training issues do we
[2:31:46] need to then address if we're
[2:31:49] seeing some failures or some
[2:31:50] some missteps and how we carry
[2:31:51] things out or what are
[2:31:53] opportunities. Maybe I should
[2:31:55] say for improvement in that in
[2:31:57] that area. Great. I would just
[2:31:58] encourage you to continue that
[2:32:02] trend particularly for I know
[2:32:03] you get a dress that in the
[2:32:05] academy, but I think as I
[2:32:07] understand, officers go
[2:32:11] through annual gun training in
[2:32:13] range training is are also
[2:32:14] annual de-escalation training
[2:32:17] as well to get the money, ok?
[2:32:19] It just depends what the
[2:32:21] topics of the cycle It MAY not
[2:32:25] be annually every year, but we
[2:32:27] do have different trainings,
[2:32:28] different training topics,
[2:32:29] some of those are mandated by
[2:32:31] the state. And then I would
[2:32:34] say that we have we offer over
[2:32:35] 100 hours of ongoing continual
[2:32:37] training annually to every
[2:32:38] officer. Thank you, Chief.
[2:32:39] Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN.
[2:32:42] Thank you. Council I assure
[2:32:43] you, MISTER CHAIRMAN, make
[2:32:43] this very brief. Just want to
[2:32:46] make a couple of points. I
[2:32:49] know the number 1743 been
[2:32:50] brought up. Not only a lot
[2:32:54] tonight, but over the past
[2:32:55] several years. In fact, I
[2:32:56] think on my dying day, the
[2:32:57] number 17 43 will run back a
[2:33:04] crossed my mind. 1743, my
[2:33:05] understanding was a number
[2:33:06] that the administration came
[2:33:07] up with when they did a study
[2:33:08] on what impd staffing should
[2:33:13] be. It is true to say that
[2:33:14] that number is now outdated
[2:33:15] because the number today
[2:33:16] necessary is tremendously
[2:33:22] more. But we aren't near 1743.
[2:33:23] I can't imagine how pest some
[2:33:25] of the people on this caucus
[2:33:29] in this council would be if we
[2:33:33] allocated 2,200 officers
[2:33:34] funding in an impd budget. I
[2:33:35] think the idea is to work to
[2:33:36] get towards that number. And
[2:33:38] I'm sure the minute that impd
[2:33:42] hires at 1740 3rd officer that
[2:33:43] we will increase the number.
[2:33:45] So I think it's important that
[2:33:46] we have something to work
[2:33:47] towards. I'm sure once we
[2:33:48] achieve that, we will continue
[2:33:50] to work towards additional
[2:33:52] officers. Officers who can run
[2:33:54] traffic officers. You don't
[2:33:55] have to work as much overtime
[2:33:56] and this time with their
[2:33:58] family. Secondly, the idea
[2:34:01] that officers live in Marion
[2:34:02] County, there's nothing more
[2:34:03] that I would like to see that
[2:34:05] all of our impd officers live
[2:34:07] in Indianapolis, Marin County.
[2:34:08] I don't think there's anything
[2:34:10] anybody from the Chiefs office
[2:34:14] would like to see more then
[2:34:15] then officers on impd live in
[2:34:16] Marin County. That isn't the
[2:34:18] reality. There aren't lines
[2:34:22] down monument Circle. Trying
[2:34:23] to become impd officers. We
[2:34:26] have to be creative. Folks
[2:34:27] want take-home cars. We have
[2:34:28] to expand. Those are just the
[2:34:31] realities. So some of my
[2:34:32] colleagues, the suggestion
[2:34:35] that we ought to be hiring.
[2:34:37] Residents of Marin County,
[2:34:39] obviously the idea that we
[2:34:40] should have a police
[2:34:41] department that's reflective
[2:34:42] of our community
[2:34:44] demographically, of course.
[2:34:45] But that isn't the reality of
[2:34:47] what we're saying. So I think
[2:34:49] that's something we have to
[2:34:50] work towards. But we also have
[2:34:51] to work towards reality. But
[2:34:53] that isn't the case today. And
[2:34:54] then we have to make sure that
[2:34:57] we have a fully staffed
[2:34:58] department, but he's capable
[2:34:59] of answering and responding to
[2:35:03] the call so that when one of
[2:35:04] us or our loved ones call
[2:35:05] 9-1-1, for whatever it might
[2:35:06] be, somebody is there to
[2:35:08] respond and I will fight that
[2:35:11] point to the death. It's very
[2:35:13] important that we ensure that
[2:35:14] we are going out all across
[2:35:17] central Indiana and recruiting
[2:35:20] officers and then we get to
[2:35:22] 17. 43. And when the day comes
[2:35:23] that there are lines from the
[2:35:24] city county building to the
[2:35:26] state House applying to be
[2:35:28] impd officers. Then then we
[2:35:32] can next. The Donut County
[2:35:33] push. But we have to continue
[2:35:38] forward progress. When know
[2:35:39] that I'm for a public hearing,
[2:35:40] testimony from those in the
[2:35:41] audience as clerk, want to
[2:35:49] read your statement, please.
[2:35:50] Before reopening Florida
[2:35:50] public comments. We like
[2:35:52] treeline committee members and
[2:35:54] the public. A few ground rules
[2:35:55] so everyone can have a fair
[2:35:57] chance to speak and be heard.
[2:35:58] It is important that we each
[2:36:00] observe following rules.
[2:36:01] First, each speaker will be
[2:36:03] limited to 2 minutes. Second,
[2:36:06] any public comments most
[2:36:10] recently related agenda item
[2:36:11] under consideration. Speakers
[2:36:12] to stray from item under
[2:36:16] consideration become unduly
[2:36:17] repetitious. Someone to next
[2:36:19] conclude their comments.
[2:36:21] Finally, it tends to cause
[2:36:23] disruptions to prevent the
[2:36:23] committee from proceeding
[2:36:25] through tonight's agenda in a
[2:36:26] recently efficient manner will
[2:36:30] be removed. Please remember
[2:36:32] this. Some types speech or
[2:36:33] incitement to violence are not
[2:36:33] protected by the First
[2:36:36] Amendment. It out we would
[2:36:36] deal with those issues if they
[2:36:39] come up that we don't think
[2:36:41] they And share mean if a
[2:36:43] committee member asked for
[2:36:44] consent to because it we can
[2:36:45] adopt these rules. We can
[2:36:47] proceed to public comments,
[2:36:48] MR. Chair council Brown. I
[2:36:50] would like to move that. We
[2:36:51] extend the public 5 minutes
[2:36:54] this evening as opposed to 2
[2:36:55] minutes in light of the
[2:36:56] significantly reduce number of
[2:36:58] people remaining in the Thank
[2:36:59] you. Council property
[2:36:59] suggested peers who want to
[2:37:00] make a recommendation
[2:37:01] regarding that request. How we
[2:37:03] move forward with that. I
[2:37:04] think I think you vote on
[2:37:06] whether or not that's
[2:37:07] something you wanted to. The
[2:37:12] Motion Council bro. Moos on
[2:37:15] the floor extend the 2 minute
[2:37:15] public testimony to 5 minutes
[2:37:20] there. A second. Motion fails.
[2:37:26] Thank you. As Clark. Sorry.
[2:37:28] Wasn't about the clerk to as
[2:37:33] clerk has The motion fails on
[2:37:36] the 5 minute testimony, but
[2:37:37] The lack of second and then
[2:37:39] we'll go to the 2 minutes for
[2:37:39] the pup test when the car has
[2:37:43] a. A list of those individuals
[2:37:45] color. First, 3 out, please
[2:37:46] your names will come forward.
[2:37:47] Please state your name. You
[2:37:51] come forward. Corey Graham.
[2:37:57] Mandi McIntosh, Sandra. Please
[2:38:03] State your name. Most first
[2:38:03] individuals. They're still
[2:38:04] PRESIDENT. Come forward. You
[2:38:05] name for the record. Please.
[2:38:13] Mandi McIntosh. Hello? My name
[2:38:15] is Mandee and I live in being
[2:38:17] Creek. Another neighborhood
[2:38:17] where police presence Lee's
[2:38:19] many residents feeling more
[2:38:21] unsafe rather than protected.
[2:38:22] I am also a volunteer
[2:38:24] organizer with the Valley.
[2:38:24] This movement in partnership
[2:38:26] with Live Free Indy. As
[2:38:29] counselor Perkins said, if we
[2:38:30] are going to get serious about
[2:38:33] safety in our community, we
[2:38:35] have to be equally serious
[2:38:36] about accountability for those
[2:38:36] who are tasked with public
[2:38:40] safety. But if we the citizens
[2:38:41] seeking that accountability
[2:38:44] have to see force and violence
[2:38:48] deployed by this body. Used on
[2:38:49] someone just fighting to have
[2:38:51] their voice heard. I have to
[2:38:55] ask. How can we trust this
[2:38:58] body to do anything to hold
[2:39:03] these agencies accountable
[2:39:05] laughter is being policed in
[2:39:05] this place. If you fail
[2:39:09] tonight. Every time you pass
[2:39:10] this budget and the overtime
[2:39:13] slush fund with it. You fail
[2:39:13] this community. That's my
[2:39:25] time. My name is Sandra
[2:39:27] McLennan. I am an organizer
[2:39:28] with the live free base in the
[2:39:31] action coalition. We heard a
[2:39:34] lot of rhetoric this evening
[2:39:35] about accountability
[2:39:37] standards, that sort of thing.
[2:39:41] Each year. We come back to
[2:39:43] this council and ask for that.
[2:39:46] We ask you to hold the line on
[2:39:50] accountability. And metrics of
[2:39:54] effectiveness. And each year
[2:39:54] this pie just chooses after
[2:39:59] the focus. Chooses to close
[2:40:00] its eyes and avoid the reality
[2:40:06] in front of us. In 2 years.
[2:40:06] This city will walk off of a
[2:40:10] fiscal cliff. We will not have
[2:40:11] money to meet the needs of
[2:40:15] everyday residents. We will
[2:40:18] continue to nickel and dime
[2:40:19] the budget and throw a key
[2:40:20] programs that support
[2:40:22] vulnerable populations. As
[2:40:26] this budget has dot. This will
[2:40:31] not be enough. In 2 years. You
[2:40:32] won't be able to look back and
[2:40:36] blame Joe Hogsett. We are here
[2:40:40] because committees like this
[2:40:41] have let this budget grow out
[2:40:46] of control. Instead of holding
[2:40:50] this agency accountable to
[2:40:52] success metrics like
[2:40:53] recruitment numbers decreases
[2:40:57] in use of force. Or solve the
[2:40:59] murder cases. You ask the
[2:41:00] taxpayers to just keep giving
[2:41:06] without question. Earlier this
[2:41:09] year, our jaws dropped. As
[2:41:13] we're watching tv and we see
[2:41:17] impd officer. Grab a teenager
[2:41:22] and scream at him. I'm going
[2:41:29] to kill you. Understand me.
[2:41:30] That's my time. Thank you.
[2:41:35] Thank you. Clerk you want to
[2:41:37] read to you. Come forward the
[2:41:38] region next 3 days, please.
[2:41:42] Ericka Davis. Forward haven't
[2:41:48] Devontae scrubs. My name is
[2:41:49] Erica with Live Free, Indiana,
[2:41:54] and the ballot. This movement.
[2:41:54] We want to ours this council
[2:41:59] to ask itself. What is your
[2:41:59] responsibility and holding
[2:42:02] this agency accountable? We
[2:42:05] believe this is critical in
[2:42:07] your role. And unfortunately,
[2:42:07] it seems like you've ignored
[2:42:13] this responsibility. Earlier
[2:42:14] this summer we develops or
[2:42:17] acquires far city councilors.
[2:42:18] Most of this committee did not
[2:42:22] receive a passing grade. The
[2:42:26] most consistent mark against
[2:42:28] this goers was the unflinching
[2:42:32] support for the impd budget,
[2:42:32] even though they had been big
[2:42:35] question marks every year. Our
[2:42:39] movement is very clear. If the
[2:42:40] choice is supporting this
[2:42:43] budget will not pivot. Then we
[2:42:45] have to get serious about
[2:42:47] pivoting. Some of the
[2:42:48] COUNCILMAN And COUNCILWOMAN In
[2:42:57] this out of your seats. We're
[2:42:57] going to rank candidates this
[2:43:02] upcoming cycle. And those who
[2:43:04] are not receiving a passing
[2:43:06] grade MAY find themselves
[2:43:06] facing a live free candidate
[2:43:09] on the ballot. We want to work
[2:43:13] with this council. Okay. We
[2:43:15] want to work with this
[2:43:16] council. But if this body
[2:43:18] refuses to take seriously the
[2:43:19] concerns that truly keep us
[2:43:22] safe and hope this agency
[2:43:24] accountable we will have to
[2:43:25] advocate for our community and
[2:43:27] find different leadership.
[2:43:27] Thank you. Thank you for your
[2:43:36] comments. Now. I'm a bike
[2:43:38] Baptist preacher so I
[2:43:38] guarantee that. I'll be a 2
[2:43:42] minutes. But I will guarantee
[2:43:43] that re what I have on my
[2:43:47] paper. A man. Devontae scrolls
[2:43:51] Exodus. Farrow became afraid
[2:43:52] of the people he could not
[2:43:56] control. So he turned his fear
[2:44:00] into public policy. He used
[2:44:03] the power of government to
[2:44:04] decide which lives will be
[2:44:04] protected in which sons could
[2:44:09] be teal. Farrell did not carry
[2:44:10] out every at with his own
[2:44:14] hands. He built the system.
[2:44:18] Issued orders. And gave others
[2:44:18] the authority to carry them
[2:44:23] out. Members of this committee
[2:44:24] before you look at the numbers
[2:44:24] in this budget, look at this
[2:44:31] picture. That's down yet. He
[2:44:34] was 21 years old. Us and
[2:44:36] father. Good to see you.
[2:44:38] Chief. A brother. And my
[2:44:44] cousin. Our family chose this
[2:44:44] photograph to protect his
[2:44:46] dignity beneath that Dallis
[2:44:51] body carried 9 bullets.
[2:44:51] Tonight I am Pete impd is
[2:44:52] asking the city for nearly
[2:44:56] 400 million dollars. The
[2:44:57] department is asking you to
[2:44:59] consider what it needs. Dallas
[2:45:00] body forces you to confront
[2:45:01] what the power has already
[2:45:05] done. Impd for said down the
[2:45:08] shot 2 officers and later
[2:45:08] acknowledge MISS Tonight.
[2:45:11] They're now saying the dollars
[2:45:12] did not do it. And now tonight
[2:45:14] they're saying he did do it.
[2:45:16] But we don't know what really
[2:45:17] happened. We were told to get
[2:45:21] it in litigation. You MAY not
[2:45:22] control the prosecutor, but
[2:45:26] you do control the purse. Hope
[2:45:26] this request require the
[2:45:30] footage for choir. A public
[2:45:32] accounting require meaningful
[2:45:34] oversight before you place.
[2:45:35] Nearly 400 million more
[2:45:37] dollars behind this
[2:45:39] department. But the story an
[2:45:39] exodus did not even with
[2:45:40] Tehran. You've got understand
[2:45:44] that. The midwives. They
[2:45:47] refuse to surrender life to
[2:45:50] demand of power. They
[2:45:52] understood that when death
[2:45:54] becomes organize, life has to
[2:45:56] get organized to. I'm almost
[2:45:59] let me say this. Your vote
[2:46:00] organized this city toward
[2:46:05] life. Your vote can declare
[2:46:07] that Indianapolis will not
[2:46:07] finance silence and college
[2:46:14] safety. Your vote can declare
[2:46:17] that black lives is worth more
[2:46:19] than protecting the
[2:46:19] institution from
[2:46:22] accountability. Do not give
[2:46:24] fair role. Another chariot,
[2:46:26] another police car. Another
[2:46:34] ratings. Do not phone refuse
[2:46:35] to confront. You need to hold
[2:46:40] impd accountable. You need to
[2:46:41] really adds to real questions
[2:46:41] of what's going on where this
[2:46:44] money is going. And we need
[2:46:46] justice for dollars. Check.
[2:46:47] Thank you for your comments.
[2:46:54] Are. Well South Pasco, Johnny
[2:46:56] Hall, just terrific. And
[2:47:01] William Smith. One read off 2
[2:47:06] more names. Please escort. No
[2:47:11] rg Thank you. Good evening,
[2:47:12] Josh Reddick. The other for me
[2:47:12] got kicked out. I was for a
[2:47:14] moment, kicked out the
[2:47:17] escalating in the hallway.
[2:47:18] Some reason I was asked to
[2:47:20] leave despite trying to keep
[2:47:21] peace in the space for that
[2:47:26] brand for tonight. I MISS My
[2:47:27] update on my daughter's
[2:47:27] cheerleading because I had to
[2:47:31] be here. I want to see if she
[2:47:31] made the team. In fact, I've
[2:47:32] been coming here for 10 years
[2:47:35] now since I got to the city.
[2:47:35] As I've gotten to the city,
[2:47:36] have seen a community that is
[2:47:38] desperate for change in deeply
[2:47:38] hungry for something
[2:47:42] different. A city that has so
[2:47:43] much potential and so much
[2:47:44] pent-up energy that you all
[2:47:47] saw as a fraction in the room.
[2:47:48] The city can't move forward
[2:47:49] because committees like this
[2:47:50] one, nothing more than to hold
[2:47:53] it back. Every year. We come
[2:47:55] in here and you handled the
[2:47:56] scent with greater force to
[2:47:57] handle critique was silent.
[2:47:58] You handle invitations for
[2:47:58] innovations like it's a
[2:47:59] foreign language. You can
[2:48:03] speak. And each year you've
[2:48:03] resisted building the public
[2:48:04] safety system that meets the
[2:48:05] needs of this moment in the
[2:48:08] future of our city. It's
[2:48:09] costing us, as Erica said
[2:48:10] earlier is going to cause some
[2:48:13] of the seats, too. We are
[2:48:14] marching towards a fiscal
[2:48:17] crisis in the city. And you
[2:48:18] let the mayor and the fop both
[2:48:21] you every single year. Instead
[2:48:22] of fighting back, you believe
[2:48:22] the people that come in here
[2:48:25] and say that's not enough.
[2:48:27] Every year you come in here
[2:48:27] and some of your districts
[2:48:28] where we have the highest
[2:48:29] number of police action
[2:48:29] shootings and you say nothing
[2:48:33] about it. Have the highest
[2:48:34] number of overdoses that need
[2:48:36] a different kind of response
[2:48:37] because in my neighborhood
[2:48:38] when the cop show up during an
[2:48:40] overdose, they take the bat
[2:48:40] product they thrown in the
[2:48:41] trash can to the cops are
[2:48:44] going overdose again. Folks
[2:48:45] need treatment. They can't
[2:48:46] access it because our single
[2:48:47] point of contact is the same
[2:48:48] point of contact that shows up
[2:48:51] every other kind response. The
[2:48:52] absence of creativity is
[2:48:53] costing lives and it's costing
[2:48:56] every taxpayer in the city.
[2:48:58] And until that is understood
[2:48:59] and changed our move, it's
[2:49:00] going to keep building power
[2:49:01] to find some folks who do
[2:49:01] understand that. Thank you.
[2:49:10] Thank you for your comments.
[2:49:10] William Smith, Wayne Township
[2:49:14] Precinct, Captain. And I want
[2:49:15] to do what I do best speak-up
[2:49:16] impromptu, something I wrote
[2:49:18] tonight. Night shots and I
[2:49:21] thought I knew what happened.
[2:49:23] Yeah, I see that was not as it
[2:49:25] seems as I watched listened to
[2:49:26] the chief, the silence was
[2:49:29] deafening. That's I ask what
[2:49:32] exactly is transparency? Is it
[2:49:33] kicking out those emotions run
[2:49:39] hot? Is it a question of
[2:49:39] 40 million dollars ball Dallas
[2:49:40] Jets starter they grow up,
[2:49:42] never knowing their father.
[2:49:42] Resident question of 9 shots
[2:49:45] on the back and that waiting
[2:49:46] for answers that keeps
[2:49:51] shifting like quicksand. I ask
[2:49:52] something just stand here and
[2:49:53] accept the answers that we're
[2:49:56] given. I say no, not while
[2:49:59] Dallas Jets, Texas, from
[2:50:00] tooth. Now I see so many
[2:50:03] removed from the council room.
[2:50:03] Being shot in the back. Simply
[2:50:05] speaking their minds or even
[2:50:08] laughter. Thank you. Thank you
[2:50:15] for your comments. But looks
[2:50:15] like uncertainty rebut 3
[2:50:18] winnings. Sorry, sir. You do
[2:50:19] it. Well, read these names
[2:50:25] are. Danny Abdullah Gray
[2:50:28] Steinhardt Tour and Everett.
[2:50:30] Gar jet and then see whole
[2:50:31] Grain. Thank you, sir. Thank
[2:50:36] you. As clerk. Write, my name
[2:50:37] is not a line with the party
[2:50:40] for Socialism and Liberation.
[2:50:42] I honestly have to say I was
[2:50:42] really disgusted with the
[2:50:43] behavior of this council
[2:50:46] earlier this evening. A lot of
[2:50:46] people like Council Bryant
[2:50:49] Brown said that came out of
[2:50:51] this meeting to, you know, so
[2:50:53] there their concern and care
[2:50:55] for community and for Dallas
[2:50:57] jet who was shot 9 times by
[2:51:01] tying Terry's police force.
[2:51:02] And we if she was such a great
[2:51:04] leader. She would have been
[2:51:05] meeting with the family
[2:51:07] meeting with the community
[2:51:08] trying to smooth things over
[2:51:11] and we never saw that happen.
[2:51:12] We never got the answers that
[2:51:14] we want. We haven't seen the
[2:51:18] complete video footage. So,
[2:51:19] you know, Perkins makes a good
[2:51:20] point that it's a few bad
[2:51:20] apples, but we've got to
[2:51:22] finish the quo. A few bad
[2:51:27] apple spoils the bunch. And so
[2:51:31] we have a system of cops and I
[2:51:32] don't think black caps will do
[2:51:33] it because James, by always,
[2:51:40] he told us that the black caps
[2:51:40] have more to prove. So we
[2:51:42] needs a complete overhaul of
[2:51:43] impd. We need a complete
[2:51:45] overhaul of this council. I
[2:51:48] was completely discuss to like
[2:51:49] people showed up to really
[2:51:50] voice there, just their
[2:51:53] displeasure with impd. And
[2:51:55] this is what we did. We threw
[2:51:56] out a black man and you threw
[2:51:59] out a black man. Robertson,
[2:52:00] because time that some funding
[2:52:00] to says that a lot of funny
[2:52:07] sit. So we don't want this
[2:52:09] 400 million dollars going so
[2:52:10] impd we would rather
[2:52:11] reallocated better things like
[2:52:14] our infrastructure like are,
[2:52:15] you know, we had devastating
[2:52:20] floods in the city. I'm like
[2:52:20] giving us some better panned
[2:52:21] jobs. Like maybe I could be
[2:52:22] thinking about ways to do
[2:52:26] that. Other thing, giving them
[2:52:27] 400 billion 1 million dollar
[2:52:28] blank check like they don't
[2:52:28] need it. They don't deserve
[2:52:29] it. Thank you for your
[2:52:40] comments. I'm Dani. I do love
[2:52:41] I am a mother, a social
[2:52:43] worker, a trauma. There is a
[2:52:44] member of the party for
[2:52:47] Socialism Liberation. And I'm
[2:52:50] also a far East Side resident
[2:52:53] where impd murder Dallas jet.
[2:52:55] And I'm here because I love
[2:52:55] the people, Indianapolis
[2:53:00] Conus. I know you have no
[2:53:00] intention of actually
[2:53:01] listening says, but there's a
[2:53:02] few things I gotta say. All
[2:53:03] right. So this is a pattern of
[2:53:07] behavior. Dallas does not one
[2:53:08] off incident. We have Adam. We
[2:53:10] have Gary Hero. And so this is
[2:53:12] an issue that predates Chief
[2:53:13] Terry, someone out here said
[2:53:15] that you, Terry, is a good
[2:53:15] police chief and I actually
[2:53:17] agree with job because she a
[2:53:18] puppet as you don't. Exactly
[2:53:20] what about his supposed to do
[2:53:21] right? I want to talk about in
[2:53:25] can I cat as a trauma there is
[2:53:28] mental health is near and dear
[2:53:29] to me, I know how to
[2:53:30] de-escalate a situation while
[2:53:32] killing people. And I've done
[2:53:33] it many times and I'm not the
[2:53:36] I'm not very tall. I've never
[2:53:38] killed anybody and every shiny
[2:53:38] body in the back when they
[2:53:40] were running away from me and,
[2:53:42] you continue to defund mental
[2:53:43] health. Impd wants 400 million
[2:53:47] dollars. Reverend Scruggs said
[2:53:48] outside, you don't get
[2:53:50] 400 million dollars. One
[2:53:52] dollars jet and his family
[2:53:54] still don't have answers to
[2:53:54] why their loved one has 9
[2:53:58] bullets in his back. 25% of
[2:54:02] the budget is going impd.
[2:54:03] Budget has doubled since 2017
[2:54:04] and yet people continue to be
[2:54:06] killed and tortured. The issue
[2:54:09] is not recruitment. The people
[2:54:10] Indianapolis just don't become
[2:54:10] thugs and criminals that I
[2:54:12] think we are. That's what's
[2:54:15] going on right now. Kicking
[2:54:16] people out for being mean to
[2:54:19] the police chief for laughing
[2:54:21] at comments. But no one is
[2:54:22] getting kicked out impd for
[2:54:24] shooting people in back. That
[2:54:27] was was shot in the back 9
[2:54:28] times. But I want to keep
[2:54:30] talking about transparency.
[2:54:31] And yet his daddy is still not
[2:54:32] seeing the full footage. Young
[2:54:43] bull. Bauer, My name is rest
[2:54:44] and hurt. And I live in
[2:54:47] Lawrence Township have some
[2:54:48] comments about the flock
[2:54:49] cameras. The lpr is automatic
[2:54:51] license plate readers,
[2:54:53] Hendricks County and Johnson
[2:54:55] counties have flocked
[2:54:56] transparency hubs. Well,
[2:54:57] Marion County has drafts of
[2:54:57] standard operating procedures.
[2:54:58] We don't have any information
[2:55:00] about that publicly available.
[2:55:02] And impd officer was recently
[2:55:04] suspended for alpr misuse
[2:55:05] which we found out not from an
[2:55:07] audit. But from The Washington
[2:55:10] Post when Lprs misread, it is
[2:55:12] costly. Aurora, Colorado
[2:55:13] recently settled for 1.9
[2:55:17] million dollars for incident
[2:55:18] in Twenty-twenty where woman
[2:55:19] in her entire family were
[2:55:20] forced onto hot asphalt
[2:55:20] because they misread a minivan
[2:55:27] as a motorcycle. Next Lpr
[2:55:27] result in innocent people
[2:55:30] being arrested and held at
[2:55:31] gunpoint per Benjamin Franklin
[2:55:32] and the General Blackston
[2:55:34] ratio, legal principle. It is
[2:55:36] better for 100 guilty persons
[2:55:36] to escape than one innocent
[2:55:41] person should suffer
[2:55:43] computers. Make the push lower
[2:55:44] case letter l compared to a
[2:55:45] number one on the license
[2:55:46] plate can be very easily
[2:55:48] misread know would like to see
[2:55:49] the data on how ours is being
[2:55:52] used right now. We cannot
[2:55:54] afford to turn India into a
[2:55:54] Penndot. The connaught only
[2:55:56] for the moral quandaries. But
[2:55:58] for how much those settlements
[2:56:00] will cost our city over the
[2:56:01] next we'll say 10 years
[2:56:02] because litigation takes a lot
[2:56:06] of different time. Separately
[2:56:06] about impd officer should be
[2:56:09] from Marion County. There's
[2:56:13] nothing about us without we
[2:56:14] don't send National Guard from
[2:56:15] Ohio and Indiana help out.
[2:56:16] Should be our people. People
[2:56:19] have a stake in the community
[2:56:20] making those decisions. That's
[2:56:29] all I have. Thank. Thank you.
[2:56:32] Good My name. The story on
[2:56:33] Everett. My comments are going
[2:56:36] to be a little different
[2:56:38] public safety conversations
[2:56:40] can be very difficult as we've
[2:56:42] seen tonight. But
[2:56:44] accountability, trust strong
[2:56:45] community relationships remain
[2:56:46] essential to getting this work
[2:56:50] right. Last month, a
[2:56:53] participated in leadership.
[2:56:56] Indianapolis is Opportunity.
[2:56:56] Indianapolis program, where
[2:56:58] heard directly from Chief
[2:57:00] Terry and reviewed impd
[2:57:01] strategic plan that she spoke
[2:57:05] to this evening with food out
[2:57:06] was the focus on share
[2:57:08] responsibility. Stronger
[2:57:09] partnerships and getting more
[2:57:10] frontline officers into the
[2:57:13] neighborhoods they serve.
[2:57:17] Chief Terry also emphasize
[2:57:18] remaining acessible and what
[2:57:19] accessible and connected not
[2:57:21] simply leading from within the
[2:57:22] department. That matters
[2:57:23] because the strategic plan was
[2:57:27] informed by community input as
[2:57:28] council considers this budget.
[2:57:31] I encourage you to ensure that
[2:57:33] impd not only has the capacity
[2:57:34] for what he needs to do on a
[2:57:39] day-to-day basis, but also to
[2:57:40] fulfill its commitment to
[2:57:42] meaningful community
[2:57:43] engagement. Engagement cannot
[2:57:44] be ad hoc or occur only after
[2:57:49] a problem arises. It should
[2:57:50] mean consistent relationships,
[2:57:51] meaningful opportunities for
[2:57:52] residents to help inform
[2:57:55] public safety priorities and
[2:57:58] engagement of enforce prior to
[2:58:00] engagement of any enforcement
[2:58:03] situation. Trust is central in
[2:58:04] that work. Residents should
[2:58:05] feel that engagement with impd
[2:58:07] is respectful, inconsistent
[2:58:08] and that their concerns are
[2:58:11] heard and taken seriously.
[2:58:12] That work should also be
[2:58:14] measured where engagement is
[2:58:16] happening. Who is being
[2:58:18] reached and whether residents
[2:58:20] feel heard respected and
[2:58:20] meaningfully engage public
[2:58:22] safety requires
[2:58:26] accountability. Transparency
[2:58:27] and genuine partnership
[2:58:28] between law enforcement,
[2:58:31] government and community. The
[2:58:32] strategic direction is there
[2:58:32] now we just have to do the
[2:58:33] action. Thank you. Thank you
[2:58:37] for your comments. Are. Read a
[2:58:44] few more names store council
[2:58:51] chief. My name is Deirdre. It
[2:58:52] and the oldest brother of
[2:58:54] Dallas, j. This is my sister
[2:59:00] Asia right here. I wrote a
[2:59:01] statement was going for like
[2:59:06] to that. Chief. I represent a
[2:59:08] whole lot of people outside
[2:59:11] and around the community who
[2:59:12] are hurting and seek a level
[2:59:14] of accountability that way.
[2:59:16] Quite frankly, the
[2:59:19] unprecedented and transcending
[2:59:19] in making Indianapolis and
[2:59:26] overall safest for us. All.
[2:59:27] Respectfully, none of the
[2:59:27] safety training that you
[2:59:29] mention tonight to the
[2:59:31] COUNCILMAN Was handled in the
[2:59:32] situation with those. And
[2:59:32] that's based off of the
[2:59:33] limited footage that we've
[2:59:36] been able to see. There wasn't
[2:59:37] any level of the escalation
[2:59:40] process with my brother. I
[2:59:42] want to thank everyone that
[2:59:44] came out The outpouring love
[2:59:45] and support for our family
[2:59:47] that we received in this
[2:59:48] devastating time seeing so
[2:59:50] many people come together to
[2:59:51] stand with us and on our
[2:59:52] Dallas means more than I can
[2:59:56] put into words. Thank you guys
[2:59:57] for sure in our family that we
[2:59:59] that we're not standing alone.
[3:00:01] Our family is grieving. But we
[3:00:06] are continuing to seek truth.
[3:00:07] Accountability like you
[3:00:08] tonight, chief Dallas's Life
[3:00:14] matter. Obviously please
[3:00:16] continue to stand with this
[3:00:19] peacefully and with purpose as
[3:00:20] we make sure his name is not
[3:00:22] forgotten. I appreciate the
[3:00:23] COUNCILMAN Today who spoke to
[3:00:26] the high emotions in the room,
[3:00:27] your support and diligence in
[3:00:28] holding our public officials
[3:00:35] accountable is appreciated. I
[3:00:36] have some some more thoughts.
[3:00:46] I think that I think it's not
[3:00:47] true. The Dallas checks out
[3:00:52] any police officers. That is
[3:00:58] the misinformation of impd
[3:01:00] Thank Thank you. Thank you.
[3:01:08] Thank you for your comments.
[3:01:09] My name is Lindsay whole grave
[3:01:11] and I'm with the people who
[3:01:13] are here tonight to say how
[3:01:13] now to giving killer cops.
[3:01:15] 400 million dollars. And the
[3:01:19] last 10 years impd is budget
[3:01:21] has nearly doubled from
[3:01:23] 227 million in 2017 alone. So
[3:01:26] I have to ask as I am pt, sold
[3:01:30] twice as much crimes that in
[3:01:31] 2017, actually the answer is
[3:01:32] not because I did the research
[3:01:36] myself. Let's look at impd
[3:01:37] zone data and joins 2017. Impd
[3:01:38] saw that. They said that they
[3:01:42] saw only 33% of homicides, 15%
[3:01:43] of robberies and 9% of crimes
[3:01:46] like rape or sell in 2023. The
[3:01:47] last year that they've
[3:01:49] published these comparable
[3:01:50] records, they saw 32% of
[3:01:51] homicides and 14% of
[3:01:53] robberies, both down one
[3:01:55] percent and only 12% of
[3:01:58] crimes. Just a 3% increase.
[3:01:59] You're taking twice as much of
[3:02:00] our money and instead of doing
[3:02:03] anything to keep people safe
[3:02:05] from I'm standing, it looks
[3:02:06] like you're doing is using our
[3:02:07] money to terrorize Black
[3:02:13] Indianapolis. Is many people
[3:02:14] here that stand with me and
[3:02:16] I'm going to say the names
[3:02:17] that impd has murdered from
[3:02:21] 2017. We have Aaron Bailey,
[3:02:24] Daniel Cedars Dashawn Downing
[3:02:25] owner nor thing Jays on read
[3:02:27] McIlroy. Those action movie
[3:02:29] and her unborn son, Marcus
[3:02:32] Lewis, Jr on a lead afford
[3:02:33] just Elan Gary Harrell,
[3:02:33] Freddie Davis, Herman
[3:02:36] Whitfield, 3 the 3rd Adam
[3:02:37] sites. And now because of your
[3:02:39] refusal to muzzle this
[3:02:40] dangerous game, they have
[3:02:43] murdered Alice jet. The blood
[3:02:47] of all these victims are on
[3:02:50] your hands. And if you vote to
[3:02:51] give impd 400 million dollars,
[3:02:55] it will not ever come from
[3:02:56] your hands. That will forever
[3:02:59] be blood on your hands. So
[3:03:02] fire arrest and convict and
[3:03:05] jail. Although line killer
[3:03:08] cops, because that's our mind.
[3:03:09] This council justice get
[3:03:15] peaks.
[3:03:19] Do what's right clerk you
[3:03:22] having more names on there,
[3:03:23] follow comments or questions
[3:03:26] from causes for the chief.
[3:03:27] Seeing none. Thank you. Final
[3:03:32] comments. Chief. No, thank
[3:03:33] you. CHAIRMAN Robinson and
[3:03:35] thank you counselors for the
[3:03:37] opportunity to have a
[3:03:38] meaningful conversation. And
[3:03:38] think you will take brief
[3:03:41] recess. Prove it. Chief of a
[3:03:42] blow come Freeman recessed the
[3:03:56] transition.
[3:04:42] I count. Thank
[3:04:46] you. We're going to get
[3:04:47] started if we could. And we're
[3:04:51] going to give the floor She
[3:04:52] from alone. Once everybody
[3:05:06] accidents. All right. Chief
[3:05:08] floor is yours. Appreciate
[3:05:10] your patients. See me. All
[3:05:12] right. Good evening,
[3:05:13] counselors thank you all for
[3:05:14] being here. I know it's late
[3:05:17] in the hour. Weve got
[3:05:18] important things to talk to
[3:05:18] you about, but we will be
[3:05:20] purposeful as we move through
[3:05:23] the the power point. But after
[3:05:24] thanking us certainly want to
[3:05:28] thank our staff members,
[3:05:29] members of the executive
[3:05:30] command staff that are here
[3:05:33] with us. I always appreciate
[3:05:34] the support of Indianapolis
[3:05:36] Professional firefighters
[3:05:37] Union PRESIDENT Shannon Wiley,
[3:05:40] who's also here with tonight
[3:05:43] supporting this effort. If we
[3:05:44] want to go right into the
[3:05:46] slides are gone. I want to
[3:05:51] talk to you. About 3 games
[3:05:52] this evening. One is our
[3:05:54] accomplishments, progress and
[3:05:56] lessons learned. We're going
[3:05:59] to talk about our fiscal
[3:05:59] responsibility and
[3:06:00] efficiencies and our budget
[3:06:01] priorities and alignment. One
[3:06:02] thing I want to point if you
[3:06:06] can see the slide, but you'll
[3:06:08] see our fine cfo that I'm
[3:06:10] joined with tonight. Don sites
[3:06:15] ran, do each year in. Que won
[3:06:15] of each year. We have what we
[3:06:19] call a finance retreat. We
[3:06:19] served breakfast, says and
[3:06:22] breakfast and lunch and we
[3:06:23] bring all of our staff
[3:06:25] members. It's located a
[3:06:26] civilian clothes and we go
[3:06:29] over the budget and identify
[3:06:30] spending plans so they know
[3:06:34] how their piece of our service
[3:06:36] delivery and then Ifd how they
[3:06:38] fit in the proverbial big
[3:06:40] picture. It's a very
[3:06:42] well-received event, but it
[3:06:43] speaks to how seriously we
[3:06:44] take our budget management. We
[3:06:45] do that each year and on leads
[3:06:51] the way. Next slide. The next
[3:06:52] one is are what we call our
[3:06:56] pillars of performance. They
[3:06:58] include our customer service,
[3:07:01] fiscal responsibility, capital
[3:07:03] improvements, community
[3:07:04] engagement, leadership,
[3:07:06] development, operational
[3:07:07] efficiencies, the all
[3:07:08] important health wellness and
[3:07:10] safety of our staff and
[3:07:15] professional development. I
[3:07:16] want to highlight our
[3:07:18] structure, our executive staff
[3:07:19] and our people will touch on
[3:07:21] that in future slides. But I
[3:07:24] wanted Present our mission
[3:07:27] statement to you, Don, is
[3:07:28] going to bring that up so you
[3:07:30] can see it is what we live by
[3:07:32] every day. Want to protect
[3:07:33] lives, property and the
[3:07:37] environment while serving this
[3:07:38] community with courage,
[3:07:39] commitment and compassion. And
[3:07:43] I'm so proud to serve with the
[3:07:45] other 13 124 members of this
[3:07:49] department, 1276 Warren
[3:07:52] firefighters and an incredible
[3:07:53] 48 member civilian staff,
[3:07:53] which tell you every year, I
[3:07:56] wouldn't even want to imagine
[3:07:58] trying to do what we do
[3:07:59] without our civilian I'm so
[3:08:02] grateful for them. The second
[3:08:03] part is our success
[3:08:08] indicators. But tell our staff
[3:08:11] if what you want to what you
[3:08:12] bring to us doesn't touch one
[3:08:13] of these areas. I'm really
[3:08:14] going to want to know why
[3:08:17] we're doing it. Success
[3:08:18] indicator number one's serve
[3:08:20] our customers that both our
[3:08:20] internal customers and the
[3:08:24] public. Run the business.
[3:08:25] We're talking to you tonight
[3:08:27] about a 298 million dollar
[3:08:28] budget. And we need to be
[3:08:32] very, very frugal with that.
[3:08:33] Manage our resources, our
[3:08:34] stations, our tools, our
[3:08:37] equipment, our apparatus. And
[3:08:38] then lastly, but certainly not
[3:08:39] least. We want to continue the
[3:08:42] development of our people. The
[3:08:46] next slide is our 4 service
[3:08:48] bureaus. Everything in the
[3:08:49] department comes up between
[3:08:52] these areas of administration
[3:08:53] community risk reduction,
[3:08:53] logistics and our operations
[3:09:00] bureau. I mentioned the 1276
[3:09:02] firefighters. Remind you that
[3:09:05] 94% of Indianapolis
[3:09:07] firefighters are on the street
[3:09:08] running out of neighborhood
[3:09:10] stations protecting this
[3:09:12] public much to the chagrin of
[3:09:14] the people sitting behind me,
[3:09:17] I think and others. We have a
[3:09:18] very slim and minutes straight
[3:09:20] of staff. But as long as we're
[3:09:22] here, those resources will be
[3:09:22] on the street serving the
[3:09:25] public in that capacity. They
[3:09:27] have very important jobs. The
[3:09:30] 76 administrative staff, but
[3:09:31] we will always concentrate on
[3:09:34] our service delivery out
[3:09:36] there. 65 recruits are part of
[3:09:39] our ask in the 2020 7 budget
[3:09:40] that we're presenting to you
[3:09:42] tonight. We would hope if
[3:09:44] approved these folks would
[3:09:47] start in early JANUARY of 2027
[3:09:49] and this is to keep up with
[3:09:53] our anticipated attrition and
[3:09:55] the department, you know, the
[3:09:56] makeup of the department's, I
[3:09:56] won't spend time going through
[3:09:59] that again. The next slide is
[3:10:03] just for information purposes.
[3:10:05] Our average age of our fire
[3:10:07] fighters. These are the sworn
[3:10:09] members. 43 and a half years
[3:10:10] of age and seniority at 15
[3:10:18] years. Are hiring and
[3:10:19] professional development. I'll
[3:10:20] let you can read through the
[3:10:21] hiring process is pretty
[3:10:22] standard. We have a written
[3:10:24] test in Aurora interview. We
[3:10:25] have what's called the See
[3:10:28] pad. The candidate physical
[3:10:29] ability test. That's a
[3:10:31] university universally used
[3:10:32] testing the fire service much
[3:10:35] like an ops. 2 course. The
[3:10:37] candidates go through. It's a
[3:10:39] timed event. It's pass fail.
[3:10:40] You don't get more points for
[3:10:40] going fast. It's 10 minutes
[3:10:43] and 20 seconds. And if you
[3:10:46] pass it, then you move on in
[3:10:48] our process. We continue our
[3:10:48] ongoing operational training.
[3:10:52] Our firefighters have fire
[3:10:53] fire service and ems training
[3:10:56] that they have to complete
[3:10:57] every year. I do always brag
[3:10:58] about our career development
[3:11:02] and college bridge. When
[3:11:03] recruit is sitting and recruit
[3:11:04] school. They can look at our
[3:11:07] career development manual and
[3:11:09] say I aspire to be a battalion
[3:11:11] chief and they can look at
[3:11:13] that book and know exactly
[3:11:14] what courses, how long
[3:11:15] everything they need to do
[3:11:17] that and we don't move the
[3:11:19] finish line on. We help them
[3:11:21] decide early on how to prepare
[3:11:23] for what they want to do and
[3:11:28] then college bridges program
[3:11:30] when initiated encompasses
[3:11:31] both brick and mortar and
[3:11:33] online universities that we
[3:11:34] partner with that. Look at the
[3:11:35] training. I have the
[3:11:38] firefighters go through. They
[3:11:39] assign a credit value for
[3:11:41] that. Right now it's trending
[3:11:43] much rain, 30 to 40 credit
[3:11:45] hours. And that's toward a
[3:11:48] full degree at those
[3:11:49] institutions. I think we have
[3:11:50] 12 or 13 that are partnering
[3:11:53] with us now. And then we
[3:11:54] always want to continue as in
[3:11:56] our for success in Decatur,
[3:11:57] the professional development
[3:12:01] of our people. This next
[3:12:02] slide. I'll just hit on the
[3:12:05] box. The wellness first. I
[3:12:08] attribute tribute this too.
[3:12:09] When we talk about response
[3:12:10] times. But I want to be very
[3:12:13] clear on this response time
[3:12:13] for us is not just getting to
[3:12:16] the scene quickly. We want to
[3:12:20] meet our Nfpa 17, 50 standard
[3:12:22] of 4 minutes for the first
[3:12:24] apparatus and 8 minutes for
[3:12:24] full complement. But what that
[3:12:27] means to me is a fully
[3:12:32] trained, fully equipped.
[3:12:33] Motivated the whole person.
[3:12:36] And that's where we get the
[3:12:37] mental physical, spiritual and
[3:12:37] emotional well-being of that
[3:12:39] individual. Because guess
[3:12:40] what, that's the person is
[3:12:42] going to do the best job when
[3:12:46] they respond your home. Your
[3:12:47] business are somebody you care
[3:12:48] about. So we will always
[3:12:50] concentrate on whole percent
[3:12:56] to deliver those services.
[3:12:58] Just a community engagement
[3:13:01] will be hit briefly on our
[3:13:02] targeted initiatives, our
[3:13:03] partnerships and again, pre
[3:13:04] packed protecting our most
[3:13:08] back, vulnerable people. On
[3:13:10] the next slide. I want to
[3:13:12] always remind you of something
[3:13:15] we're very proud of is our
[3:13:16] international accreditation.
[3:13:18] And so one rating that
[3:13:19] positions our community in a
[3:13:22] very elite status. There's
[3:13:24] 30,000 fire departments in the
[3:13:26] United States as of 9, 1, of
[3:13:28] this year, there's 334 that
[3:13:30] are internationally
[3:13:31] accredited. And if that was an
[3:13:35] elite enough. Those who
[3:13:37] continue on and challenge
[3:13:38] themselves with the iso rating
[3:13:41] us a rating from one to 10,
[3:13:42] one being the best in 10.
[3:13:44] Meaning you have a lot of work
[3:13:49] to do. There's only 127 out of
[3:13:51] 30,000 that meet both those
[3:13:52] standards and your
[3:13:52] Indianapolis Fire Department
[3:13:56] is one out in math. That's 0
[3:14:02] point. O 4% or it means 99.9,
[3:14:03] 6% of our nation's fire
[3:14:07] service does not and is not
[3:14:07] protected by fire Department
[3:14:09] of that quality. And we're
[3:14:14] very proud of Move on and on
[3:14:18] the next one is example. I
[3:14:18] wanted to show you how we
[3:14:21] gauge and monitor our progress
[3:14:23] in reaching our goals. This is
[3:14:24] just a snapshot of them. But
[3:14:26] are planning division. Lets us
[3:14:30] know how are trending if we're
[3:14:31] headed. If we're on track or
[3:14:33] we're behind what we need to
[3:14:35] do to catch up. So we do this
[3:14:36] measurement with each of our
[3:14:42] sign goals and priorities.
[3:14:43] Managing our dollars. I'll let
[3:14:45] you read through that. But our
[3:14:45] quartermaster service, I talk
[3:14:50] about them a lot. It's one of
[3:14:51] the pillars of our service
[3:14:52] talk about it nationally and
[3:14:53] other departments want to copy
[3:14:55] what we do. We can't
[3:14:57] firefighter whose had a fire
[3:14:58] and needs their gear cleaned
[3:15:02] are so Dar serviced in some
[3:15:04] way can bring that gear in on
[3:15:06] Monday. If they work, let the
[3:15:08] quartermaster know that need
[3:15:11] service. We will pick it up.
[3:15:13] It will be have a hospital
[3:15:15] grade ozone level cleaning any
[3:15:15] repairs that need to be done
[3:15:18] will be done. And when that
[3:15:19] firefighter comes back to work
[3:15:20] on Thursday, that gears at the
[3:15:22] station waiting on that and
[3:15:23] all they have to do is let us
[3:15:25] know that needs to be Clint.
[3:15:27] That's part of our cancer
[3:15:29] prevention and making sure
[3:15:29] we're doing everything we can
[3:15:34] to keep our people safe. Some
[3:15:35] of our priorities and goals.
[3:15:36] I'll let you read through that
[3:15:40] is always on. Readily
[3:15:40] available to you. If you have
[3:15:43] any questions about any of
[3:15:45] these. But for time's sake,
[3:15:47] you can bring them up when do
[3:15:49] have questions. But we'll move
[3:15:50] on through that. And you
[3:15:50] certainly can redo those
[3:15:55] priorities and goals. Some of
[3:15:56] what the residents should
[3:15:58] expect from us next year.
[3:15:59] We've identified 270 what we
[3:16:03] call high-risk structures. We
[3:16:05] are going to get in those
[3:16:06] buildings, inspect those
[3:16:09] developed pre plans and make
[3:16:10] them safe for our people to
[3:16:11] whether they work there. They
[3:16:13] visit there. They play there.
[3:16:14] We've identified those
[3:16:16] priorities and we're going to
[3:16:16] make sure that those
[3:16:20] structures are safe. We have a
[3:16:21] very limited deputy fire
[3:16:24] marshal staff and our fire and
[3:16:27] life safety division. There's
[3:16:28] over. 35,000 Inspector
[3:16:31] Parcells in our community. We
[3:16:32] did research a few years ago
[3:16:32] that said a deputy fire
[3:16:35] marshal can do about 600
[3:16:37] inspections a year
[3:16:39] individually. So 600 times 15
[3:16:41] doesn't get you to 35,000. So
[3:16:45] we've been creative. We do
[3:16:46] some company inspections, but
[3:16:48] we've entered into 2
[3:16:51] agreements with contractor
[3:16:52] contract inspectors to help us
[3:16:53] kind of bridge that gap. And
[3:16:56] we're projecting 21,000
[3:16:58] additional inspections at that
[3:16:59] group will will help us with a
[3:17:01] good go past the Pulse point
[3:17:03] activation. But I do want to
[3:17:04] communicate to you. We have a
[3:17:07] list of 30 comparable fire
[3:17:08] departments across the nation
[3:17:12] that we look at we speak to
[3:17:14] them often. We don't have to
[3:17:15] reinvent the wheel on
[3:17:17] everything. So we looked at
[3:17:17] Seattle and Kansas City who
[3:17:19] have already implement Pulse
[3:17:20] point and what it'll do. It's
[3:17:24] it's app that people who are
[3:17:28] certified in cpr already, we
[3:17:29] can let them know that there's
[3:17:30] an incident in a public space,
[3:17:33] not in a private space going
[3:17:34] on. We can alert them that
[3:17:35] there's an emergency. We can
[3:17:39] tell them where the close is.
[3:17:39] Automatic electronic
[3:17:44] defibrillator is and in this
[3:17:46] example, we feel like close to
[3:17:48] 2000. We'll have 2000
[3:17:49] opportunities make a
[3:17:49] difference in Somebodys Day
[3:17:52] with this program. So we're
[3:17:53] excited about launching next
[3:18:01] year. And before turn it over
[3:18:03] to Don, I did want to bring
[3:18:03] this light to light,
[3:18:05] especially the middle box.
[3:18:08] It's what we do. When we talk
[3:18:12] about Ifd a good value. If you
[3:18:14] take our proposed 2027 budget
[3:18:15] and you divide it by what the
[3:18:18] census as our population. And
[3:18:20] then you divide that number by
[3:18:21] 365 days. You come up with
[3:18:25] $0.83 Less than a bottle of
[3:18:27] water, our bag of chips or cup
[3:18:28] of coffee. You might have
[3:18:29] gotten to get through this
[3:18:33] meeting tonight. For $0.83 You
[3:18:35] don't you don't get Urnas
[3:18:37] Malone. You get every
[3:18:38] Indianapolis firefighter, all
[3:18:40] our tools, equipment,
[3:18:40] knowledge in heart and
[3:18:43] ability. And we're going to
[3:18:44] calm and make it better for
[3:18:47] you. The other thing I want
[3:18:49] pass on before I pass it on
[3:18:50] the dollar want you to think
[3:18:51] about and I tell our people to
[3:18:53] take great pride in that in
[3:18:54] the United States Fire Service
[3:18:57] when something happens, you
[3:18:57] call us and we have to make it
[3:19:01] better. There's nobody else to
[3:19:02] call whether you're 100 feet
[3:19:03] up in the air or 100 feet
[3:19:07] below the water trapped in a
[3:19:09] in a trench, confined space.
[3:19:10] Our whatever emergency you MAY
[3:19:15] have fire is just a portion of
[3:19:16] what we do to call us the fire
[3:19:18] department doesn't even come
[3:19:21] close to our responsibilities.
[3:19:22] And it is a great
[3:19:22] responsibility. But one we
[3:19:26] wear with pride because
[3:19:26] America's fire service will be
[3:19:29] there when you calls no matter
[3:19:29] the emergency. And you get us
[3:19:31] for $0.83 a day. So I think
[3:19:36] we're of arc. The red boxes.
[3:19:38] Just I always remind you,
[3:19:43] folks being an iso. One rating
[3:19:44] does not lower insurance
[3:19:46] premiums, but it holds the
[3:19:48] line on. If you look at our
[3:19:51] surrounding any state that
[3:19:52] touches Indiana, you'll see
[3:19:54] those rates climbing at a
[3:19:56] higher rate for residents to
[3:19:58] hear. And that is due in large
[3:20:01] part to the rating of your
[3:20:02] fire department. So with that,
[3:20:04] i want to pass it on to Donald
[3:20:05] walking through our numbers
[3:20:13] for 2020 cent. So good
[3:20:14] afternoon community committee
[3:20:16] members. Again, my name is Don
[3:20:17] sites. Randall and I am the
[3:20:19] cfo for the Indianapolis Fire
[3:20:20] Department. And I'm going to
[3:20:22] take just a few minutes to
[3:20:22] review the budget portion of
[3:20:26] our presentation. Our 2027
[3:20:30] budget introduced budget is
[3:20:31] 298.9 million and of this
[3:20:35] amount. 85% covers personnel
[3:20:35] which includes salary and
[3:20:36] benefits for our sworn
[3:20:39] firefighters and civilians.
[3:20:40] Retirement payouts, monthly
[3:20:41] pension payments and funeral
[3:20:45] benefits. Recognizing the
[3:20:46] personnel is our largest part
[3:20:48] of our budget. The remaining
[3:20:50] 15% covers are operational
[3:20:50] costs, which I'll discuss in
[3:20:51] more detail on the character
[3:20:56] sites. So we talk about
[3:20:57] budgets on one side of our
[3:20:58] budget. We have the expense,
[3:21:00] which is what we are paying
[3:21:02] for. The other side of our
[3:21:03] budget is the revenue, which
[3:21:03] is the cash to cover what
[3:21:06] we're paying for most of it.
[3:21:08] These revenue or cash come
[3:21:09] from property and income
[3:21:11] taxes. So any fluctuations in
[3:21:12] these taxes could have an
[3:21:15] impact on our budget. Other
[3:21:16] than taxes. It collects a
[3:21:19] small amount of revenue for
[3:21:20] building inspections and can
[3:21:22] step construction. Plan
[3:21:26] reviews and these inspections
[3:21:26] and plan reviews are supported
[3:21:27] by civilian our civilian
[3:21:29] effort to ease as well as
[3:21:30] outside contracts, which Chief
[3:21:31] Malone mentioned earlier in
[3:21:38] the presentation. Recognizing
[3:21:40] the tax revenue limitations.
[3:21:41] It does regularly apply for
[3:21:44] grants to support personnel in
[3:21:45] operational costs. Currently
[3:21:47] we have pending applications
[3:21:49] for safer, which is our
[3:21:49] staffing grant and also the
[3:21:50] assistance to firefighters
[3:21:52] grant for equipment.
[3:21:53] Additionally over the last few
[3:21:54] years, we've been successful
[3:21:59] with was a grant has helped us
[3:22:00] fund equipment for our special
[3:22:02] operations and ems program and
[3:22:02] then off. And also, course,
[3:22:05] we have the Indiana task Force
[3:22:06] one, which is federally funded
[3:22:12] by fema each year. When we
[3:22:13] look at our budget by
[3:22:16] character. Look at our budget,
[3:22:17] but sorry, but we look at our
[3:22:19] budgets by character. We know
[3:22:21] the personnel is our largest
[3:22:22] expense and it's mostly funded
[3:22:23] by the fire General Fund in
[3:22:26] 2027. The fire general fun is
[3:22:28] picking up 50 firefighters who
[3:22:30] were previously covered by a
[3:22:32] safer grant which expires
[3:22:34] JANUARY of 2027. So this
[3:22:35] contributes a good portion of
[3:22:36] the increase that were seen in
[3:22:38] 2027 for fire. General.
[3:22:39] Additionally, the increase is
[3:22:41] a result of labor agreement.
[3:22:44] Cola as well as the Indiana
[3:22:45] public retirement contribution
[3:22:48] requirements was. 23.3% is in
[3:22:48] increase of twenty-six 0.3%
[3:22:51] for 2027. So those are the
[3:22:52] things that are contributing
[3:22:53] to the fire general increase
[3:22:57] in 2027. Alternatively,
[3:23:00] though, the Federal Grant Fund
[3:23:01] is decreasing 27 2027 as a
[3:23:03] result of those 50
[3:23:04] firefighters moving off of the
[3:23:04] grant fund over to the fire
[3:23:05] General Fund. And then
[3:23:09] finally, the fire pension dot,
[3:23:11] Fire pension fund is slightly
[3:23:12] down as there are fewer
[3:23:12] pension obligations that we
[3:23:19] have to make next year. We
[3:23:20] look at supplies. There is an
[3:23:22] increase in fire general,
[3:23:23] which is a result of contract
[3:23:25] increases. And this is
[3:23:26] primarily within our
[3:23:27] Quartermaster Division, which
[3:23:28] supports the purchase of fired
[3:23:30] year personal protective
[3:23:31] equipment, such as boots,
[3:23:33] gloves, helmets, shields. And
[3:23:37] station where? Everything else
[3:23:38] flat. 2027 character to for
[3:23:43] supplies. Then and character 3
[3:23:45] for services. Only fire
[3:23:45] general reflects an increase
[3:23:46] which is driven by contracts
[3:23:50] and monthly bills. Other than
[3:23:50] that, there are no changes in
[3:23:51] the other funds with in
[3:23:57] character. 3. For character
[3:23:58] for equipment, our capital.
[3:24:01] There is an increase in the
[3:24:02] Federal Grant Fund, which
[3:24:03] includes our pending grant
[3:24:04] applications for the
[3:24:05] assistance to firefighters.
[3:24:07] Grant program. We have
[3:24:08] applications outstanding for
[3:24:10] fire hose cardiac monitors and
[3:24:10] a safety trailer which would
[3:24:13] fall under this equipment.
[3:24:15] Also the fire the fund has a
[3:24:17] minimal increase which covers
[3:24:19] rising costs for air
[3:24:21] management program and that
[3:24:23] they that division asking
[3:24:24] regulators for are
[3:24:25] self-contained breathing
[3:24:30] apparatus, cbs. Finally, we
[3:24:32] have character 5, our internal
[3:24:33] charge backs, which also
[3:24:35] reflects an increase for both
[3:24:36] Fleet and Office of
[3:24:39] Corporation Counsel. So we
[3:24:43] talked about our budget on the
[3:24:44] character level which breaks
[3:24:46] things down by the category.
[3:24:47] However, this next slide shows
[3:24:49] us how our budget it added
[3:24:50] allocated by program are
[3:24:51] specific function and some of
[3:24:54] these are self-explanatory. So
[3:24:55] I'll just highlight a few of
[3:25:00] these programs. Emergency
[3:25:02] operations is by far our
[3:25:02] largest program. And this
[3:25:03] includes our swan,
[3:25:04] firefighters, ems, and your
[3:25:07] management expenses include
[3:25:08] salaries and benefits for the
[3:25:09] individuals who firefighters.
[3:25:09] And that's working on the
[3:25:14] street. The cardiac monitors
[3:25:15] medical oversight and
[3:25:16] supplies, equipment and
[3:25:16] testing for breeding their
[3:25:20] systems. Within our
[3:25:21] administration program
[3:25:23] expenses for the chief's
[3:25:24] office media Relations finance
[3:25:27] planning an hr combined. This
[3:25:29] includes things such as travel
[3:25:30] conference, registration,
[3:25:30] utilities, wellness exams, and
[3:25:31] medical services in our
[3:25:35] charge. Next. Community risk
[3:25:36] reduction includes our deputy
[3:25:36] fire marshal public educator
[3:25:39] in plan to ease other than
[3:25:43] their salaries and benefits.
[3:25:44] Expenses include smoke,
[3:25:45] alarms, educational supplies
[3:25:46] and cost to host or
[3:25:48] participate in various public
[3:25:49] safety events. Additionally,
[3:25:50] the building inspection
[3:25:51] contracts are folic in this
[3:25:55] program. Our training academy
[3:25:56] includes salaries and benefits
[3:25:58] for our training staff as well
[3:25:59] as training supplies and
[3:26:00] equipment such as books,
[3:26:00] lumber, drywall. Ladders,
[3:26:04] hoses and sauce. Our
[3:26:05] technology program cover
[3:26:06] software for training
[3:26:08] inventory and run management
[3:26:10] licenses. Security monitoring
[3:26:11] cellular Wi-Fi services and
[3:26:12] computer supplies and
[3:26:14] equipment. And finally, our
[3:26:15] wellness program includes a
[3:26:17] functional movement, return to
[3:26:18] work in behavioral health
[3:26:20] contracts, as well as fitness
[3:26:20] equipment that is used at our
[3:26:21] health and wellness
[3:26:24] facilities. So that shows you
[3:26:25] less about the character and
[3:26:26] more about the program or
[3:26:28] function where our budget is
[3:26:29] allocated as well as some of
[3:26:30] the examples of the types of
[3:26:31] expenses of which are using
[3:26:34] our budget for to support
[3:26:36] these programs. And with I'm
[3:26:37] done with the budget pass of
[3:26:41] the time that CHAIRMAN. Before
[3:26:43] we get into the questions, if
[3:26:43] if you would allow me, I just
[3:26:46] want to tell you what we have
[3:26:47] in the appendix for you and
[3:26:48] then we can go right into the
[3:26:49] questions. Where are we
[3:26:52] prepared for you is a 2026
[3:26:56] versus 2027 comparison by
[3:26:58] character. Then we've provided
[3:27:02] that same comparison. 26 and
[3:27:07] 2027 2026 2027 by fund.
[3:27:09] Summarized the major budget
[3:27:10] changes for you so you can go
[3:27:13] to that one sheet and kind of
[3:27:14] look at what's driving any
[3:27:18] changes in the 2027 budget.
[3:27:19] And then as usual, we provided
[3:27:20] the most updated
[3:27:23] organizational chart for you.
[3:27:26] And then lastly, our staffing
[3:27:27] analysis. And if you recall,
[3:27:30] that's our 3 year projection
[3:27:32] on our attrition rate. We tell
[3:27:35] you, we need 65 recruits. And
[3:27:36] 2027, that's based on mask.
[3:27:39] It's not just a guess. It's
[3:27:41] what we our experience, our
[3:27:43] the drop program that lets us
[3:27:44] know what that attrition rate
[3:27:47] is likely to be. So we can
[3:27:48] staff accordingly so we can
[3:27:49] make the best effort to try
[3:27:53] control our overtime costs.
[3:27:56] With that MISTER CHAIRMAN, if
[3:27:58] you want to open up to
[3:28:00] questions to your committee,
[3:28:01] we're ready. Sure will. Thank
[3:28:02] you both for your
[3:28:03] presentation. The question to
[3:28:08] the committee. Got Maui. Thank
[3:28:09] Chair chief, thank you for
[3:28:13] being is right here. Can
[3:28:14] Stephen Dank and file are out
[3:28:15] there protecting right now,
[3:28:15] keeping us safe. I know been a
[3:28:16] late night. So want to be
[3:28:20] brief here. Really appreciate
[3:28:21] any do for our community. And
[3:28:25] I want let you know that your
[3:28:27] organization of your
[3:28:28] department is does not go
[3:28:29] unnoticed. I mean, the one
[3:28:29] thing we've talked with impd
[3:28:30] about I know you probably
[3:28:32] watch every meeting that we
[3:28:33] have. So maybe you're going to
[3:28:34] the restroom getting popcorn
[3:28:38] we talk about this. But we
[3:28:40] urged them to get in contact
[3:28:42] with you to figure out a
[3:28:45] facilities One thing just have
[3:28:46] really enjoyed about I I think
[3:28:47] speak for almost the whole
[3:28:48] committee hears that we can
[3:28:52] come to you and you know
[3:28:53] exactly what dates that are,
[3:28:54] what years things are going to
[3:28:56] be revamped and redone. We've
[3:28:58] we've worked with impd to get
[3:28:59] there. I think they're trying
[3:29:00] to get there. We just don't
[3:29:01] really have a plan yet. I
[3:29:03] don't kind of MISS That in the
[3:29:04] presentation. I was home and
[3:29:05] have a little more something
[3:29:06] involved and just other than
[3:29:09] just the North District. But
[3:29:10] bravo for your work you've
[3:29:11] been doing on that. You've
[3:29:13] done heck of a job leading
[3:29:16] this department and look for
[3:29:16] is for budget as it comes is
[3:29:21] budget season. Thank you, sir.
[3:29:21] Thank you, counselor, this is
[3:29:22] the folks behind me and others
[3:29:24] that aren't here. And can't
[3:29:26] say enough about the men and
[3:29:28] women are responding to runs
[3:29:29] while we're sitting here and
[3:29:32] are just amazing civilian
[3:29:32] staff. Thank you, Appreciate
[3:29:38] it. Carrie, thank you, MR.
[3:29:41] Chair. You know, I've been on
[3:29:43] Think about that coming 15 16
[3:29:44] years next year. You guys are
[3:29:47] in a really well oiled machine
[3:29:48] and he was at that 10 year
[3:29:50] plan. I guess my question is
[3:29:51] on recruits. How many
[3:29:53] applicants to get year? We
[3:30:00] range. We between 2,2500
[3:30:03] applicants and that's
[3:30:08] typically for 122, 140 jobs.
[3:30:11] We will hire 2 classes from an
[3:30:14] applicant list. So if we had
[3:30:15] 2000 applicants currently
[3:30:16] we're gonna if approved. We're
[3:30:21] gonna hire 65 in. And 2027.
[3:30:22] And then likely the wage
[3:30:26] trending another 50 to 60 in
[3:30:28] 2028 and will hire 2 classes
[3:30:30] from that one application
[3:30:35] process. And then by our mayor
[3:30:35] it all we have to at the 18
[3:30:38] month mark of that list, we
[3:30:41] have to start a new process
[3:30:42] because a-list expires at the
[3:30:42] 24 month Mark. So it's good
[3:30:43] for 2 years and we get to
[3:30:49] classes. On the average
[3:30:51] recruit. What you you take him
[3:30:52] on. What do they get paid
[3:30:54] while they in training? I
[3:30:56] guess. Is there a minimum
[3:31:00] salary? They're making the
[3:31:00] yes, its scale years fact
[3:31:01] answer this without looking
[3:31:04] over it off the first years,
[3:31:07] approximately 55,000. Then at
[3:31:09] the beginning of their second
[3:31:13] year. 63 63 in have. And then
[3:31:15] at the beginning of their 3rd
[3:31:17] year after they've completed 2
[3:31:19] years, there's a substantial
[3:31:20] raise to approximately 90,000.
[3:31:28] Ok, thank you. Thank you, MR.
[3:31:31] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Chief.
[3:31:32] Thank you, Don. I really
[3:31:33] appreciate your presentation
[3:31:36] every year getting and into
[3:31:37] the nuts and bolts of it. And
[3:31:38] I'm sorry that you didn't get
[3:31:40] the time to celebrate some of
[3:31:42] those things. And one of the
[3:31:45] comments that you made about
[3:31:46] putting the heart and some of
[3:31:49] the things that you all do.
[3:31:49] And in most of the things you
[3:31:50] do definitely ring true. And
[3:31:52] it was something that I think
[3:31:53] was missing in the earlier
[3:31:56] part of this evening. I
[3:31:58] especially want to highlight
[3:32:01] that Pulse point program that
[3:32:02] sped through. I think that's
[3:32:04] incredible. I think again,
[3:32:06] that's not firefighting. But
[3:32:07] that's life saving measures
[3:32:08] that often times the people
[3:32:09] behind you. That's what
[3:32:10] they're doing when they come
[3:32:12] out to these runs. And I am
[3:32:13] not only cpr certified, but
[3:32:14] I'm an instructor and I want
[3:32:16] to help beat those Seattle
[3:32:17] numbers. Anything I can do to
[3:32:18] support you. Chief, let me
[3:32:23] know. And I think there are no
[3:32:23] complaints from me. Only
[3:32:24] commenting complements include
[3:32:28] owes I think our community is
[3:32:30] saying, especially on the West
[3:32:32] side not to stay away, but in
[3:32:36] fact, township once to
[3:32:37] consolidate the fire
[3:32:39] department, can you update
[3:32:40] this committee on what any
[3:32:41] fire consolidation looks like
[3:32:42] in and around the county and
[3:32:42] particularly in Wayne
[3:32:47] Township. Be happy to thank
[3:32:49] you for your comments on Pulse
[3:32:50] Point. We did kind of a breeze
[3:32:51] through that. I hope you'll
[3:32:52] take the time to look at your
[3:32:52] packet. There's some other
[3:32:56] initiatives in there community
[3:32:57] connect and our plan to get to
[3:33:00] all 72 of our neighborhoods to
[3:33:02] identify their risk and help
[3:33:04] them develop individualized
[3:33:05] programs for that area for
[3:33:08] those areas. So please take a
[3:33:08] moment and read through that.
[3:33:09] I think you'll be excited
[3:33:15] about it like we are
[3:33:17] currently. There are no
[3:33:18] ongoing conversations, least
[3:33:19] that I'm part of. And I think
[3:33:21] I would be part of it as far
[3:33:26] as any township are excluded
[3:33:30] mergers or consolidations.
[3:33:32] Certainly we're open to it.
[3:33:32] But that starts at the
[3:33:33] political level with the with
[3:33:37] those folks if they say make
[3:33:39] it happen. If these ready, we
[3:33:41] have a plan called in the
[3:33:43] works. We updated every 5
[3:33:45] years. And the last update was
[3:33:51] in 2023. So we know what fully
[3:33:53] consolidated fire Department
[3:33:58] looks like believe it was last
[3:33:59] year. We a deep dive into all
[3:34:00] of the stations, equipment
[3:34:04] tools. You know, we're kind of
[3:34:05] acts. Do they use what kind
[3:34:08] cba do they wear? And we know
[3:34:10] that information from all the
[3:34:12] departments and then we shared
[3:34:14] it with all the departments.
[3:34:15] That's not something we want
[3:34:15] to keep a secret. So we all
[3:34:18] have a better handle on what
[3:34:20] the entire Marion County
[3:34:21] environment looks like. As far
[3:34:25] as capability of each agency,
[3:34:27] but we know what it looks
[3:34:29] like. We're certainly ready to
[3:34:30] exercise a merger if it's
[3:34:34] brought to us, we're not
[3:34:36] actively seeking them, but it
[3:34:36] presented to us. We will. We
[3:34:38] certainly know how to work it
[3:34:40] through the plan get it done.
[3:34:42] Thank you, chief and I I know
[3:34:46] that. The work is not easy.
[3:34:49] The equipment is heavy. And as
[3:34:50] it turns out, MR. CHAIRMAN
[3:34:53] fires hot so thank you for all
[3:34:54] the things that you and your
[3:34:56] men and women do each and
[3:34:57] every for the strides that you
[3:34:58] have been made under your
[3:35:02] tenure. I adore you. I adore
[3:35:03] your team and just really
[3:35:03] appreciate serving alongside
[3:35:05] all of you. Thank you. Thank
[3:35:07] you, ma'am. We appreciate you.
[3:35:07] Thank you. Council Council
[3:35:10] heart. Thank you, MR.
[3:35:12] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Chief. I
[3:35:16] think his nation and so what I
[3:35:20] want to point out is how
[3:35:21] really what everybody saying,
[3:35:23] how well done the presentation
[3:35:27] isn't. Reminds me of what my
[3:35:28] other my day job is not the
[3:35:29] other examples given earlier
[3:35:30] about hiring people. But, you
[3:35:31] know, I do want to consult and
[3:35:35] work around it. And I had a
[3:35:36] customer approaching one time
[3:35:36] about doing standard operating
[3:35:37] procedures. And I said, what
[3:35:39] are you doing? And I said,
[3:35:40] well, we just asked all
[3:35:41] directors to do the standard
[3:35:42] operating procedures. And I
[3:35:43] said we're going to come back
[3:35:45] with 11, 12, 13 different.
[3:35:47] Different operating
[3:35:48] procedures. And that was what
[3:35:49] was going through my mind when
[3:35:50] I was looking at this. This is
[3:35:53] the best one I've seen and I
[3:35:55] have the fortunate ability to
[3:35:57] sit on a lot of committees.
[3:35:58] And this is the best
[3:36:01] presentation I've seen. Really
[3:36:03] and I'm in my 7th year on the
[3:36:06] council. And so it got me
[3:36:08] thinking you know, one of the
[3:36:08] areas that I also the ability
[3:36:09] to sit on, which is the audit
[3:36:10] committee. And sure that with
[3:36:14] her acting CHAIRMAN. It one of
[3:36:15] the things that I will be
[3:36:16] suggesting in that next
[3:36:17] meeting is for them to
[3:36:22] contemplate. Ap. That is doing
[3:36:24] a standardized Templet earlies
[3:36:25] researching what a
[3:36:26] standardized temple looks like
[3:36:31] for the budget season because
[3:36:32] it's it's a Don't use the word
[3:36:33] for us, but it doesn't seem
[3:36:35] very prune a pragmatic that we
[3:36:37] have all these agencies and we
[3:36:38] don't have a standardized
[3:36:39] templet of what the best
[3:36:42] practice looks like. And I
[3:36:43] call things and some of are
[3:36:44] the conversations we talk Phs,
[3:36:47] right? I'm saying, hey, I have
[3:36:48] 10 years of one way, but we've
[3:36:51] been paying dpw contracts 100
[3:36:53] plus years. Right? This is a
[3:36:53] very similar thing like this
[3:36:55] is good. This is the gold
[3:36:56] standard. And this is what we
[3:36:59] should expect every single
[3:36:59] presentaran every single
[3:37:03] committee that we have. So
[3:37:03] that's putting more work in
[3:37:04] your department. But I do
[3:37:07] think that would be worthwhile
[3:37:08] for our entire city
[3:37:13] infrastructure to see. But
[3:37:14] beyond that, sorry to cut the
[3:37:15] cameras started. Get the
[3:37:17] glory. But you guys are doing
[3:37:20] phenomenal work into a lot of
[3:37:21] good examples. But one thing
[3:37:22] that is very important to me,
[3:37:23] I want to bring up to the
[3:37:27] committee. Actually had it, I
[3:37:28] was fortunate to have the I b
[3:37:31] j published this last Friday,
[3:37:35] but I publish an article on
[3:37:35] fire consolidation and the
[3:37:36] title of it was we raised one
[3:37:38] tax. Let's take an opportunity
[3:37:42] to lower another and what that
[3:37:44] means is in those townships on
[3:37:46] the Westside Pike, Wayne and
[3:37:48] Decatur, they're paying an
[3:37:50] additional We can alleviate
[3:37:50] that levy for those people in
[3:37:52] the west side of town, it's
[3:37:53] going to take action at the
[3:37:57] state House. And I'm already
[3:37:58] starting those conversations
[3:38:00] with state representatives.
[3:38:00] Now, what I think that takes
[3:38:02] is essentially getting the the
[3:38:03] trustees and the advisory
[3:38:05] board members out of the way.
[3:38:07] And I think that comes down to
[3:38:09] the state making that law. And
[3:38:09] that's what I'm going to be
[3:38:11] chasing in the session. But I
[3:38:12] want everybody to be aware
[3:38:14] that I would love to see a
[3:38:16] copy of in the works because I
[3:38:18] will be out waving, met thing
[3:38:18] around put in every
[3:38:22] legislators face a confined
[3:38:22] because we've got to find
[3:38:23] savings. We've got to find
[3:38:25] efficiencies. More
[3:38:31] importantly, you know, I've
[3:38:31] proposals for new fire
[3:38:32] stations. And the last thing I
[3:38:33] want to see is a fire station,
[3:38:34] one mile away from another
[3:38:36] fires to station from
[3:38:39] different fire townships that
[3:38:41] speaking of speedway and I
[3:38:41] have to right or maybe it was
[3:38:44] pike and But either way, there
[3:38:45] was 2 very close. That to me
[3:38:45] would have been a waste of
[3:38:47] money and a waste of effective
[3:38:50] measures. And so that's on my
[3:38:54] list going into really now in
[3:38:54] 2 of his Asian Day, all the
[3:38:56] way through session next year.
[3:38:58] So happy to take any
[3:38:59] supporters with me that want
[3:38:59] to join in that effort. I
[3:39:02] think that is one way that we
[3:39:03] can move Indianapolis for,
[3:39:04] especially an opportunity now
[3:39:06] to talk about property taxes
[3:39:08] so much in this state. And I
[3:39:11] think we can drive some of
[3:39:11] that change and find some
[3:39:13] savings for people but give a
[3:39:14] better result of the of the
[3:39:14] day. And that's something
[3:39:15] that's really hard to asked to
[3:39:19] do. And I think we can do with
[3:39:19] Thank you. Council are
[3:39:21] appreciative comments are
[3:39:22] thank you. Counselor Council
[3:39:26] Perkins. Thank you, MR. Chair,
[3:39:28] let me just follow my my
[3:39:29] colleague's comment so that
[3:39:31] we're clear Pike has 0
[3:39:33] interest in consolidated in a
[3:39:34] fire department. So that just
[3:39:37] be clear with that. We very
[3:39:38] proud of the work that our
[3:39:40] Pike Township Fire Department
[3:39:44] is still in. That does not
[3:39:45] negate the work that you're
[3:39:47] doing. Chief and so I want to
[3:39:48] say that to my colleague to
[3:39:53] the chief thank you for always
[3:39:58] center in new leadership. And
[3:39:58] your workers that work
[3:40:00] alongside you to make this
[3:40:01] happen. You're one of the only
[3:40:05] does that come here and every
[3:40:07] chance you get you deflect
[3:40:08] from self and you sent to the
[3:40:09] folks that are doing the work.
[3:40:13] So thank you. I will also you
[3:40:14] can do a tremendous job in
[3:40:14] teaching a master class of
[3:40:16] some of the executives and
[3:40:18] directors across the
[3:40:21] enterprise. What it means to
[3:40:23] represent your department.
[3:40:23] Well, by presented the
[3:40:24] necessary information that we
[3:40:25] need to understand the work
[3:40:27] that you're doing, but also
[3:40:29] the way they interact with
[3:40:31] this council making sure that
[3:40:33] the needs of your department
[3:40:34] is reflected to us. And so
[3:40:35] thank you. And I hope the
[3:40:36] administration is watching all
[3:40:38] the cameras are not on. Well,
[3:40:39] at least the regular cameras
[3:40:40] on. And we have one reporter
[3:40:43] here, but hopefully the
[3:40:44] administration is is is
[3:40:46] watching that I think that the
[3:40:48] department, the enterprise can
[3:40:50] learn from for your expertise
[3:40:52] in the way that you you can
[3:40:53] present the of the men and
[3:40:56] women that work with you. My
[3:40:57] only question I have is around
[3:41:00] fleet management or roughly
[3:41:02] about 70 million dollars set
[3:41:04] aside for fleet management in
[3:41:06] 2027 budget. Talk to us a
[3:41:07] little bit about the current
[3:41:12] state of the fleet. Is
[3:41:12] adequate enough to meant make
[3:41:18] sure that you are maintain in
[3:41:19] good equipment, makes to quit
[3:41:20] meant as you're doing the work
[3:41:24] across the city. Thank you.
[3:41:26] Yes, sir, again thank you for
[3:41:28] your comments. But as you
[3:41:28] said, I'll defer to the people
[3:41:30] I get to work with every day.
[3:41:31] You know, we can. We can talk
[3:41:33] about programs and initiatives
[3:41:33] that they're the folks truly
[3:41:36] make it happen. I think the
[3:41:41] state of our is strong. This
[3:41:43] council and administration
[3:41:45] supported a ten-year apparatus
[3:41:48] replacement plan. We completed
[3:41:50] an 8 and a half where we
[3:41:51] replace all of our frontline
[3:41:54] engines. Ladders. Rescue squad
[3:41:56] battalion bogeys, all of our
[3:41:57] response vehicles. We've
[3:42:00] initiated a second ten-year
[3:42:00] apparatus plan, which we're
[3:42:03] working through now, we don't
[3:42:06] have to buy their quantity
[3:42:08] that we needed to in the First
[3:42:08] 10 year plan because we were
[3:42:11] so far behind now. Now we're
[3:42:13] buying a few pieces of the
[3:42:16] year. So we are able if we
[3:42:18] stay on that trajectory, we
[3:42:21] can stay on track and never
[3:42:23] find ourselves in the hole
[3:42:25] with the need to replace
[3:42:26] apparatus as many
[3:42:28] municipalities across the
[3:42:30] country are. We're I think
[3:42:32] we're in in very good shape
[3:42:32] with the plan that we're
[3:42:33] following and the support
[3:42:37] we're receiving. Council
[3:42:43] Delaney. Thank you, MR. Chair.
[3:42:44] You know, it's been a long
[3:42:45] night and just wanted to take
[3:42:47] this time to thank you. And
[3:42:48] your command staff are coming
[3:42:49] out tonight and sitting
[3:42:50] through the long meeting to
[3:42:52] wait for your turn. Really
[3:42:54] appreciate that. And also just
[3:42:56] wanted to commend you for
[3:42:57] doing a good job and getting
[3:42:58] out there in the community. I
[3:42:58] feel like I've had the
[3:42:59] opportunity to speak with you
[3:43:00] throughout the year. So it's
[3:43:04] not just someone time exchange
[3:43:06] here. Most recently at opening
[3:43:06] of the new station, 32 on
[3:43:10] College Avenue. It's it's a
[3:43:12] beautiful building was really
[3:43:16] great to get to see how your
[3:43:17] firefighters live and work
[3:43:18] together and that station and
[3:43:19] how you're planning on
[3:43:19] building the new ones. And so
[3:43:21] I just wanted to highlight
[3:43:22] that. Thank you for the work
[3:43:26] you Thank you, ma'am. We
[3:43:28] appreciate you being there.
[3:43:28] That was a that was long day.
[3:43:32] Long time coming. We just put
[3:43:35] a new 3,000 gallon tanker in
[3:43:35] that station to help protect
[3:43:37] the northeast side. For those
[3:43:41] what we call properly hydrated
[3:43:41] areas, just meaning they don't
[3:43:44] have a hybrid on every 500
[3:43:46] feet on the property line. So
[3:43:48] that new vehicle is in service
[3:43:49] at that station and serving
[3:43:54] your community up there. Now.
[3:43:58] Kathleen Grace, thank you,
[3:43:58] chief, thank you so much for
[3:44:00] to work. I'm not going to
[3:44:01] belabor the point of my
[3:44:02] colleagues that you guys are
[3:44:02] doing a great job and you do
[3:44:07] that great job every year. My
[3:44:09] question is what can I take
[3:44:10] back to the wonderful,
[3:44:12] wonderful people on the east
[3:44:13] side down East 38th Street
[3:44:15] where we've seen tremendous
[3:44:17] amount of growth
[3:44:21] revitalization. We've got now
[3:44:23] whole hospital which provides
[3:44:24] so much in our community.
[3:44:25] We've got grocers. We've got a
[3:44:26] major employer would cook
[3:44:28] medical. We've got a new bank
[3:44:28] that's opening on on next
[3:44:32] week. But we still have a
[3:44:34] small, small building, a
[3:44:35] station. 24, which can't fit
[3:44:40] those larger apparatus I've
[3:44:41] got meetings with Audubon
[3:44:42] Guard zakai meetings with
[3:44:43] Shane, shared and Heights
[3:44:44] neighborhood Association next
[3:44:45] month over the next few weeks.
[3:44:47] What can I tell them about
[3:44:49] U.S. Being on the list to get
[3:44:54] a new, a facility. That's a
[3:44:54] fair question. And I
[3:44:56] appreciate the question. You
[3:44:57] and I have had other
[3:44:57] conversations about it. We've
[3:45:00] talked about the 10 year
[3:45:02] apparatus plan. We have a 20
[3:45:02] year station replacement plan
[3:45:07] where we identify the 10
[3:45:08] stations most in need. That's
[3:45:11] not determined by who the fire
[3:45:11] chief likes or doesn't like.
[3:45:14] We have an exhaustive
[3:45:16] evaluation tool that we use to
[3:45:19] rank those. I'll tell you
[3:45:21] station 24 is right at the top
[3:45:22] of the list. I actually
[3:45:23] brought the plan with me
[3:45:25] tonight and you'll see it's
[3:45:26] right at the top. But what we
[3:45:29] have to do is we look at those
[3:45:32] 10 stations that are on the
[3:45:34] list and when we get the
[3:45:35] funding to build a new
[3:45:38] station, then the decision is
[3:45:41] made which one of the 10 are
[3:45:42] most in need because it's not
[3:45:46] a static thing. Sometimes
[3:45:46] something develops. Mold are
[3:45:48] the foundation is crumbling.
[3:45:50] Are its where one MAY have
[3:45:53] been ahead of it a year and a
[3:45:55] half ago. Some things happened
[3:45:56] that now this other station is
[3:45:59] more in need, but it's always
[3:46:00] that group of the I guess we
[3:46:02] could say the top 10 or the
[3:46:04] bottom 10, most in need.
[3:46:07] Firefighters see the list. You
[3:46:10] MAY think you should be number
[3:46:10] one. But if you're number 7,
[3:46:12] at least you know where you
[3:46:13] are. So I think you you would
[3:46:15] tell them they're definitely
[3:46:20] part of the conversation any
[3:46:20] help you could give us in
[3:46:23] identifying additional funding
[3:46:26] to build the station. It will
[3:46:28] certainly help bring to a
[3:46:29] reality sooner. Thank you. I
[3:46:32] know it's not about what would
[3:46:33] you prefer because that's your
[3:46:35] old neighborhood. You grew up
[3:46:35] as a kid. So I think that
[3:46:37] would be at the top of the
[3:46:39] list. My only complaint chief,
[3:46:41] I think in my budget time
[3:46:42] budget season phone call and I
[3:46:43] usually look forward to us
[3:46:46] having a chat. So I look
[3:46:49] forward to us getting
[3:46:50] opportunity to talk a little
[3:46:50] bit of on a personal level as
[3:46:51] we move later in the year.
[3:46:57] Thank you. We'll tell I MISS
[3:46:57] That with budget and 9.11
[3:46:59] happening this week. We just
[3:47:00] cut kind of swap, but I
[3:47:01] usually try to give all you
[3:47:03] folks to call it. We'll get
[3:47:04] back on track next year with
[3:47:07] it for Okay. Thank you guys.
[3:47:12] Council Brown. Thank you, MR.
[3:47:15] Chair get well-deserved. All
[3:47:15] the kudos that you've heard
[3:47:17] from all my fears of a side
[3:47:19] aisle. I would echo all of I
[3:47:21] would agree with counselor
[3:47:21] heart that this was I think
[3:47:22] the best presentation of
[3:47:24] seeing for a budget. And I
[3:47:24] think one thing that really
[3:47:28] sets it apart is the way it's
[3:47:30] oriented towards the
[3:47:31] constituents of taxpayers.
[3:47:32] Right? So how much are they
[3:47:33] spending? What do they get for
[3:47:34] that money? What can they
[3:47:36] expect from you this year and
[3:47:38] always and that's not just the
[3:47:39] budget presentation that comes
[3:47:40] through all the interactions
[3:47:41] with you and your command
[3:47:42] staff. And of course, the
[3:47:45] heroes local 4.16 And so want
[3:47:48] to get out of the way for the
[3:47:49] exit. Kudos. The only 2
[3:47:50] concerns I had and it's been a
[3:47:50] long as I could just be. I was
[3:47:54] mistreated the budget and I
[3:47:56] read correctly that it
[3:47:57] actually cost us a substantial
[3:47:58] out of money to participate in
[3:48:04] Task Force one. Sorry. So task
[3:48:07] Force one is 100% funded by
[3:48:08] fema. So it doesn't cost the
[3:48:10] city any money. As far as the
[3:48:11] revenues from property taxes
[3:48:13] or income taxes. It does hit
[3:48:14] our budget. However, it's
[3:48:16] reimburse federally federal
[3:48:17] federal cash dollars. So
[3:48:20] there's no cost on us. If
[3:48:21] makes sense, got it. I was
[3:48:22] looking at 2 different sheets
[3:48:23] fail to make that connect
[3:48:25] thank you for I'm sorry. I'll
[3:48:26] point out. So whenever we talk
[3:48:28] to when we talk, when we look
[3:48:30] at task Force one will it's
[3:48:33] always associated with the
[3:48:35] Federal Grant Fund, which is
[3:48:37] 2, 5, 5, 3, 9, our other
[3:48:38] operating expenses, which are
[3:48:40] day-to-day operations at
[3:48:40] Safire General Fund. So it's
[3:48:41] it's within it. But it's a
[3:48:41] simple fund which is
[3:48:43] reimbursed by fema. Perfect
[3:48:43] had to be in state because
[3:48:46] that would make any sense. The
[3:48:49] only other concern I have is
[3:48:49] really it was just or
[3:48:50] department I wouldn't have any
[3:48:54] concerns at all. But I think
[3:48:56] in general, the enterprise is
[3:48:57] very, very over reliant on
[3:48:58] character, 3 contractors, et
[3:49:00] cetera. And so, you know, I've
[3:49:03] had really good time
[3:49:05] conversations and interactions
[3:49:07] with Chief beard and everybody
[3:49:09] under him. And as a fire
[3:49:11] marshal. And it does make me a
[3:49:12] little bit concerned.
[3:49:14] Obviously, we want more
[3:49:15] buildings inspected, but I
[3:49:16] would of course, love to have
[3:49:18] those people now says about
[3:49:19] contractors. And so as a
[3:49:22] stopgap in order to make sure
[3:49:22] we're make building safe,
[3:49:25] fully support this. But to the
[3:49:26] extent possible, would love.
[3:49:29] You know, I would love to be
[3:49:31] unionized. Public-sector
[3:49:31] workers as opposed to just
[3:49:32] contractors that have less
[3:49:35] control over. So just note for
[3:49:36] the future, not expecting a
[3:49:37] separate things and fix that
[3:49:38] because I'm sure it has to do
[3:49:39] with staffing availability.
[3:49:41] But that's just my preference.
[3:49:43] Moving forward. Otherwise I
[3:49:44] have like nothing I can
[3:49:45] critique before. Thank you
[3:49:48] again. Appreciate your
[3:49:49] comments that that's just
[3:49:50] finances. The cost of an fte
[3:49:53] in salary and benefits. First
[3:49:54] is what we can hire a
[3:49:56] contracting firm to do too.
[3:49:58] Try to get to that same
[3:50:00] result. And that's more of
[3:50:02] those 35,000 parcels actually
[3:50:02] inspected. So it's safe for
[3:50:05] our citizenry, but your point
[3:50:06] well taken. Understood. Thank
[3:50:10] you, sir. That's the wells.
[3:50:11] Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN for
[3:50:15] second comment in question.
[3:50:17] Chief and MISS Sikes Randall.
[3:50:20] Were there any unfunded
[3:50:21] request in the 2027 budget
[3:50:21] from the Office of Finance and
[3:50:24] Management? And if so, what
[3:50:29] were those if you have them?
[3:50:30] So there were a few requests
[3:50:32] because we understand the tax
[3:50:33] You know, we just didn't ask
[3:50:35] for all of the things. But we
[3:50:36] did have a few budget request
[3:50:42] which included. Capital. So we
[3:50:43] asked for money to
[3:50:44] administration vehicle
[3:50:47] replacement plan. I won't get
[3:50:47] into the specifics of the age
[3:50:51] of our vehicles. However, the
[3:50:53] the request included
[3:50:55] purchasing x amount of
[3:50:55] vehicles annually so that we
[3:50:57] can phase out the older
[3:50:59] vehicles. So that was one
[3:51:00] request for admin vehicle
[3:51:01] replacement plan to release or
[3:51:02] own those currently because
[3:51:03] that was what I was thinking
[3:51:04] when you went through the
[3:51:05] vehicle and apparatus plan, I
[3:51:07] noticed you didn't say admin
[3:51:08] vehicles and some of those are
[3:51:10] pretty old that I see going
[3:51:13] around the city. Yet. 2
[3:51:15] separate things are apparatus
[3:51:18] replacement plan was was for
[3:51:19] our heavy-duty. Respond to did
[3:51:21] not include administrative
[3:51:23] vehicles. I would love if you
[3:51:23] had an average age, you can
[3:51:27] send that on a separate
[3:51:28] communication, education and
[3:51:29] future budget review and
[3:51:31] analysis. MADAM Cfo, and I'm
[3:51:32] sorry to interrupt. You know
[3:51:37] your your time hours. We also
[3:51:38] asked for money to support
[3:51:42] station repairs so annually we
[3:51:44] received annually, receive
[3:51:46] money take care of our fire
[3:51:47] stations. There's 45 fire
[3:51:49] stations. You know what cost
[3:51:50] to take care of your house. So
[3:51:51] we do have annual budget, too.
[3:51:53] Take care of our fire
[3:51:57] stations. However, roofs
[3:51:57] approaches which the country
[3:51:58] approaches with the fire
[3:52:00] apparatus drive on. It's a lot
[3:52:05] of wear and tear those
[3:52:05] annually. Those can cost
[3:52:06] upwards of a couple $100,000
[3:52:11] to replace and so we want with
[3:52:11] their requests, asked for
[3:52:13] money to dedicate to certain.
[3:52:16] So those types of repair so
[3:52:17] that we can do certain amount
[3:52:19] of approaches per year we can
[3:52:20] to a certain amount of risk
[3:52:22] per year because our annual
[3:52:24] budget, it deals with the
[3:52:25] day-to-day operations. Right.
[3:52:26] And so sometimes we can't
[3:52:29] swing a $300,000 repair for 4
[3:52:31] approaches. So we asked for
[3:52:32] dedicated station repair
[3:52:33] funding to cover some of those
[3:52:34] heavy duty expenses that we
[3:52:34] know we need to maintain
[3:52:40] annually. We also asked for
[3:52:41] additional sets of fired year.
[3:52:42] So our quartermaster budget
[3:52:46] annually purchases 250 cents
[3:52:47] of gear for our incumbents out
[3:52:48] on the street as well as 2
[3:52:51] sets a fire year for our
[3:52:53] recruits. So about 390 total
[3:52:54] sets of gear were purchasing
[3:52:57] annually. We asked 4
[3:52:59] additional sets a fire gear
[3:52:59] fill the gap for a new
[3:53:04] replacement. And then finally
[3:53:06] ask for some character, one
[3:53:08] items for 3 additional admin
[3:53:11] personnel to support our
[3:53:12] pension office to support our
[3:53:15] training division. And also to
[3:53:16] support our Special Operations
[3:53:17] division for a drone operator.
[3:53:18] That's a big thing. Now. It
[3:53:21] was it was really used during
[3:53:23] the floods. And we're finding
[3:53:24] that across the public safety.
[3:53:28] It's a standard that people
[3:53:30] are moving toward. So we asked
[3:53:31] for an empty for. They are so
[3:53:31] 3 admin positions we ask for.
[3:53:34] And then finally we asked to
[3:53:38] adjust our work factor. So I
[3:53:39] do use is a work factor to
[3:53:40] estimate how much over time
[3:53:41] we're going to spend annually.
[3:53:44] The work factor includes a
[3:53:45] number of firefighters. We
[3:53:46] have off daily percent because
[3:53:46] that's how we predict when
[3:53:48] we're going to have to call in
[3:53:51] overtime. We're finding that
[3:53:53] we're having more people offer
[3:53:54] details and more for sick. So
[3:53:55] we wanted just that work
[3:53:56] factor to line up with
[3:53:56] actually how many firefighters
[3:54:00] are off today. So that was our
[3:54:03] second admin to summarize.
[3:54:03] There were 3 operational
[3:54:04] requests and then to care to
[3:54:07] one requests. My goodness.
[3:54:09] Thank you for that. I
[3:54:11] appreciate you coming
[3:54:12] prepared. I'm really concerned
[3:54:14] about not just the equipment
[3:54:17] for personnel, but also those
[3:54:18] approaches and those roofs and
[3:54:20] that dedicated station repair
[3:54:21] fund. I know it's tight right
[3:54:25] now and know. Money
[3:54:26] administrator cars MAY seem
[3:54:28] like a drop in the bucket, but
[3:54:29] if we can do it for impd, I
[3:54:32] don't understand why we can't
[3:54:33] for our fire department. I
[3:54:35] think the drone comment and
[3:54:36] even just the advent of
[3:54:37] technology, MR. CHAIRMAN, my
[3:54:40] final comment is truly commend
[3:54:40] not just the chief but the
[3:54:43] staff and specifically, you
[3:54:44] know, redone. The comms team
[3:54:47] really do give a true line of
[3:54:49] sight and into what is
[3:54:50] happening. The transparency
[3:54:52] with it if is there because
[3:54:53] you're constantly telling the
[3:54:53] story. You're telling the
[3:54:56] story with video photographs,
[3:54:57] words and sometimes codes that
[3:55:00] I don't even understand. But
[3:55:01] the photos tell the story of
[3:55:02] the heroes doing the work out
[3:55:05] there each and every day. And
[3:55:07] so thank you for allowing me
[3:55:10] time to check in on some of
[3:55:10] those unfunded requests. And
[3:55:11] thank you for all that you do.
[3:55:13] You have my time, MR.
[3:55:14] CHAIRMAN, thank you. Just a
[3:55:20] Maui. Thank you, MR. Chair.
[3:55:21] I've said this to staff and I
[3:55:21] just want to say to the
[3:55:22] committee and I wish the chair
[3:55:23] was so here to hear this as
[3:55:28] well. I understand that you've
[3:55:29] gone every year since I've
[3:55:30] been on the council was
[3:55:32] something coming 10 years now
[3:55:33] with eye with impd. And I
[3:55:38] think that's great however,
[3:55:39] the e there's just so many
[3:55:40] great things in this. But in
[3:55:41] this budget presentation that
[3:55:42] we had to just kind of gloss
[3:55:44] over spare time because we
[3:55:47] spent so much time p d. I
[3:55:49] would love to see you guys.
[3:55:53] Kind of you know, will get the
[3:55:53] ice cream and the U.S. Had
[3:55:55] about it for a little while.
[3:55:55] But I would love to see you
[3:55:56] guys have your own time here
[3:56:00] in front of us because council
[3:56:01] well questions about what was
[3:56:02] not, you know, approved in
[3:56:04] this budget. I'd love to get
[3:56:06] that little bit more maybe
[3:56:07] during analysis. We can't we
[3:56:10] can't do that. But for the
[3:56:11] sake of the other counselors
[3:56:12] here, I won't ask any more
[3:56:15] questions on that. But I would
[3:56:18] love if we could get you guys
[3:56:18] separated and have impd one
[3:56:20] night. I have to be another
[3:56:22] night that way. Both get your
[3:56:25] time to shine. I know I've
[3:56:25] known you long enough to know.
[3:56:26] I think you prefer not to have
[3:56:28] the cameras, but you deserve
[3:56:30] them. And to us about the work
[3:56:33] show. So I would love to have
[3:56:34] this split. Think about that
[3:56:37] next year. Thank you,
[3:56:40] counselor. Couple No other
[3:56:41] questions. I have a couple
[3:56:44] final comments myself. What I
[3:56:48] want to commend you again,
[3:56:49] Chief lawn, accreditation
[3:56:51] renewal. I do think that's a
[3:56:52] spooktacular statistic. You
[3:56:54] guys deserve to be very proud
[3:56:56] of that. Along with the Pulse
[3:56:58] point program. I think that's
[3:56:59] a great initiative. And I
[3:57:02] think that will be very a
[3:57:04] great stride forward and true
[3:57:06] public safety as well as the I
[3:57:07] class one rating. I think
[3:57:08] that's something else. Very
[3:57:12] special I'm sure you
[3:57:15] anticipated my annual question
[3:57:16] Houser ladder truck to the
[3:57:17] North side, which station is
[3:57:22] then. Always put me on the
[3:57:23] spot to make the other
[3:57:25] councilors. Joe, as you are
[3:57:28] your trending very well
[3:57:32] station 9. They're on 6286
[3:57:35] Street has a both a new engine
[3:57:38] and ladder stations. 6 North
[3:57:42] Central High School has and
[3:57:51] ladder there what bad? 9 sixes
[3:57:53] station for 80th in ditch has
[3:57:54] a new ladder and a new engine
[3:57:57] coming in DECEMBER. Well, not
[3:57:58] directly in your area. We
[3:58:00] talked about station 32 that
[3:58:01] something really going on with
[3:58:04] head that way, the station
[3:58:06] that we do will staff with the
[3:58:07] city of Lawrence. There are no
[3:58:10] planned in station. 36 has a
[3:58:14] brand new aerial You're doing
[3:58:17] very, very well and your
[3:58:19] really are letter protected
[3:58:20] for sure. Not that I'm wishing
[3:58:23] for a high rise fire, but now
[3:58:24] in the unlikely I can rest
[3:58:28] assured that you'll be there.
[3:58:30] Final question. Got piggy
[3:58:31] backing off well. I think what
[3:58:33] Kessler Heart was was a
[3:58:38] inferring and that is. We're
[3:58:40] going to be seeing a pretty
[3:58:40] tight budget the next couple
[3:58:41] years, particularly with the
[3:58:44] trend from the state house
[3:58:48] squeezing property taxes and
[3:58:49] their battle cry of possibly
[3:58:53] being eliminating property
[3:58:54] taxes. You guys making some
[3:58:57] worst-case scenario planning?
[3:58:59] Have been a couple years when
[3:59:00] we have to revamp income tax
[3:59:04] structure as well. Really.
[3:59:08] Planning for possible
[3:59:08] catastrophic scenarios in the
[3:59:12] future financially speaking?
[3:59:12] Well, you it's a great
[3:59:15] question. We have tasked our
[3:59:16] planning Division. Chief
[3:59:16] Wilson is here. They do an
[3:59:18] excellent job for us. The
[3:59:22] Astros to forecast if if we
[3:59:23] needed to make cuts, if we had
[3:59:26] to tighten our bill. Where
[3:59:29] would we do that? Why would we
[3:59:31] pic that station or that
[3:59:35] apparatus what cut could we
[3:59:38] make without damaging our
[3:59:39] service delivery are unduly
[3:59:42] increasing response times. So.
[3:59:43] We don't want to exercise
[3:59:47] that. But to your question,
[3:59:48] we're ready if if this happens
[3:59:49] and we need to go to this
[3:59:51] level, we know what we want to
[3:59:54] do. If it's a deeper level, we
[3:59:56] know what that next level of
[3:59:58] action we need to take is we
[4:00:00] we went through that exercise.
[4:00:02] I believe last and we have a
[4:00:03] plan that we we hope we don't
[4:00:05] have to use, but we're ready
[4:00:11] with To take on a on a scale.
[4:00:13] Your level, what we would do
[4:00:14] first, what we would do. In
[4:00:15] case we we were faced with
[4:00:20] that. Situation. Great. The
[4:00:21] perfect answer I expected from
[4:00:23] you. Chief, thank you much.
[4:00:26] Any final comments. Hearing?
[4:00:27] None. We are adjourned. Thank
[4:00:42] you, ladies and gentlemen.