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But as John, good afternoon

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and welcome to the JULY 15,

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2026 meeting of the

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Metropolitan Development

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Commission. I will now call

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the meeting to order. We have

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a quorum in place. Will all

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rise and join me with the

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Pledge of Allegiance. Please.

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Last? Is there? Well. Members

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of the commission you received

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the minutes of the JULY first

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meeting last week, you had

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opportunity to review those.

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Are there any additions or

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deletions to those minutes?

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Hearing? Commissioner he can.

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I get a motion to approve. So

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moved. Commissioner her gut.

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Can I get to say that? Second?

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What call the roll her. Get.

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Her. Yes. While Lyle, yes.

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Where ats Murphy Murphy a

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Schumacher Schumacher. Yes.

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West west, yes. Do as a yes.

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The minutes from JULY first

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2026 past 7 to 0 moving

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forward. Are there any

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content? It's U.S. Withdraws

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or special request. Please

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introduce yourself.

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Absolutely. My name is

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Alexander Curlin. I represent

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the region. Community schools.

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Thank you for your time today.

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On behalf of vintage community

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schools in their community.

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And as you know, we have

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hearing today case numbers

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2026 Cbr 8, 1, 5, as well as

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2026 Cpl. 8, 1, 5, on the

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school's behalf and on the

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school communities behalf. I

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respectfully request a

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continuance for cause under

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Article 6 Section 8 Point and

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17 of the commission's rule.

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The school elementary school

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joins the site that is being

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requested for development and

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requested for variants. Yet

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the school was not contacted

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by the developer until JUNE.

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After the hearing

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recommendation had already

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been made. The board first had

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an opportunity to review the

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site plan on JUNE 24th barely

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a month ago and a revised plan

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reached the school only last

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week. The petitioners

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commitments still remain in

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draft form for the large part

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and the school is still in the

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middle of negotiating

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commitments with the

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developer. Indeed, the school

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district just had an

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opportunity to go visit the

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site on Monday. And the board

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hasn't even had a chance to

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talk amongst itself about that

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visit. We're not seeking a

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delay. What we're seeking is

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time to do due diligence. And

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so we are asking for fair

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opportunity to evaluate the

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materials to evaluate the

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requests and therefore,

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seeking a 45 day. Continuance.

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Thank you. I was there

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councilor out. You have a

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thoughts on this matter. First

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of all, welcome. Good to see

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Thank PRESIDENT Dylan

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Commissioners and Union City

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County Councilor District 14

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in support of the continuance

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requested by the school

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district. Did reach out to the

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petitioner and the

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representative. So let them

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know. I think there are other

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conversations with the school

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district. But again, appears

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it is fairly substantial

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change to the to the site. And

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so just backing up the

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council's comments that

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allowing for proper time for

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that communication to happen

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would be supportive of of

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their request. So thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you for all

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your hard work. We appreciate.

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Anyone else would like to

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comment on this. Yes, Council,

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please introduce yourself.

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Thank you. Members of the

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commission strict Brown with

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offices at 300 North Meridian

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Street. Sweet. 2500

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Indianapolis, Indiana, for 6,

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204, for the record today

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representing the petitioners

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on this case. And I believe

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there will be 3 additional

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speakers opposing this request

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for a continuance after made

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remarks on behalf of to share

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as well. Comments summarize

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those in paper form. If it's

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easier to digest while I'm

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given my remarks and why we

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oppose the continues. We'd be

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happy to give this to remind

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traitors and you all as well.

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It's that's helpful to you

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all. Does give your comments

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council. So we strongly oppose

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the request for a continuance,

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especially a 45 day.

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Continuance due to significant

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contractual consequences that

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are involved. This case has

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been pending since MARCH. It

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is already experienced

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multiple continuances. First.

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There is an additional month

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continuing student that encase

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and there is an automatic

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continuance take environments

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traitors for another month.

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continuance for cars for

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exactly the reasons that

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reminds traders have asked for

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additional continuance. I came

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here before you all and asked

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for a continuance after

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working with staff in late

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JUNE to allow more time to

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work with the school, which

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we've done and additional

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neighbors on additional

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commitments. Those resulted

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benefits to the school and to

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the community, which can

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easily be digested as removal

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of a building. Additional

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green space reduction of

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backup generators, reduction

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of power, cetera, unexplained

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those commitments here at the

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podium on on JULY one. They've

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been updated on our website as

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well. We also put out a media

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statement which is covered

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broadly by many different

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media outlets. And so we

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believe that the request is

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simply just a delay tactic or

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a wish for dc blocks to go

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away and not built to edge

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note facilities to serve

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Indianapolis. The parties have

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been afforded ample

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opportunity to participate and

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be held throughout this

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process. 2 different

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counselors have had public

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forums on this and getting a

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continuance at this stage

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would unnecessarily delay the

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process and undermine the

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integrity of the established

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procedures which have been

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designed to ensure fairness

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and transparency for all

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stakeholders, not just 3

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months. Traitors. There's no

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indication that any party has

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been deprived of the meeting

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opportunity to be heard or

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that any procedural safeguards

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have been compromised. Our

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outreach to counselor Nielsen,

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a neighboring counselor

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started on MARCH 10th. We also

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suspect that Megan will be one

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of the lead reminds traitors.

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If you look at tab 87 in

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binder, too, you can read our

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e-mails where we offered a

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one-on-one meeting on more

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than one occasion and she did

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not respond to our latest

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request on 6.11 Dc Blacks has

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been responsive to all of

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those have reached out and

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there are some neighbors here

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that could speak to that as

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well. As it relates to the

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school's request for a

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continuance, we strongly

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disagree with the facts that

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they present it before you the

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school is an entity that to

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receive public notice as part

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of the legal notice of this

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process. They received that

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notice in early APRIL. If you

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also look at. Tab 86 of

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binder, too. It details our

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outreach to Irvington

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Community Schools which began

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as direct outreach on MARCH 20

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force that was prior to the

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public notice being received

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specifically the school

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received 5 emails, 2 phone

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calls that were answered by

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receptionists for the school.

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Bloc's executive who left his

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contact information in a note

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for them to call him. One

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postcard that the school

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acknowledged they received at

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an Irvington Community Council

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meeting in JUNE as well as a

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legal notice. We also posted

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additional legal notice signs

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on the property as a neighbor.

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We additionally participated

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in private meetings with

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school board. We attended

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their public meeting. We

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hosted 9 members of the school

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board in the admin officials

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to Atlanta to visit building

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one on JULY 13th or observe

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the operations. That date was

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not chosen by us. That date

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was chosen. The school we had

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meaningful conversations.

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Those have. Resulted and there

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on the screen as a result, a

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in conclusion tan tan

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commitments concluding in

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county s they are also an

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entity that are on the

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commitments being able to be

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enforced. We have. Council

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said conclusion, yes, your

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memoirs in conclusion I'd love

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for you to hear from our

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experts that we fund in today

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and as well as the property

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owner. Thank you. Good

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afternoon, Vincent Ash. Here

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on behalf of the property

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owner and developer Law Group.

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Respectfully, we ask that

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oppose any continuance on this

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matter. The project to this

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property has actually been

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under contract a contract

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since DECEMBER of 2025,

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negotiate an extensive due

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diligence period, which has

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both extensions options have

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been utilized. In addition,

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there's you know, throughout

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that Ross Esol parties

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dedicated a significant time

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resources and capital reliance

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on an established schedule.

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And that's counselor spoke dc

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blocks of provided him a lot

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of opportunities for public

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engagement through multiple

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channels. I do want to

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emphasize that continued

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delays on this project not

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only affects this one, but it

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infects our timing and

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investment of other planned

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projects on the property as

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well broader development

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efforts. So with that, I

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kindly ask that you oppose

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any, continue it and hear

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Thank you. Schedule here

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today. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

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Please introduce yourself. Hi,

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I'm an award saying I I'm

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MISTER Ney and no word saying

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thank you. I'm a school

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psychologist in the

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Indianapolis school districts

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and charter schools. I just

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want to ask us talk about the

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kind broader concerns with

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these data centers and also

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just the tax initiatives that

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these people are getting for.

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Building data centers here. I

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need your position my position

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is I'm opposing it like I want

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continuance. I want us to

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continue talking. Thank you

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very much. Yes, Thank you very

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much. Thank you. Thank you.

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Councilor we've been waiting

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for you. I'm not done yet. And

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you're done. I have more to

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say. Thank you. You have taken

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a position now explain to you,

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why have that position and

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don't you people here right

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now to listen to me, Libya?

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Right now. We've got your

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Pitino. Listen. This can you I

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know. I agree. I know it's a

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continuance and I'm asking for

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that. And I know that you have

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my opinion. You know that.

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That's what I want. But what?

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What are my reasons? It's

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because what what else are we

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spending money on in this

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town? We're not here to

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debate. You know, I'm not Tell

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hearing think about later.

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This is for continuance

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Understand your position.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Counselor heart. Thank you,

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MR. PRESIDENT, welcome. So

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i'll be brief just on the

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continuous piece I'm opposed

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to continuance is a pretty

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digestible change from the

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petitioner. Really easy to

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understand. I agree with the

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petitioner that there was

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ample amount of notification

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made, especially on the fact

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that they were part of the

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original distribution of

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notification just due to legal

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process. Beyond that, I

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believe my understanding is

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of. Their concern for real

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continuance is because they're

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concerned about enrollment for

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their school and making sure

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that they can try and keep up

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their enrollment numbers. I

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don't believe that this

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particular development would

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impact that given that there's

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already so much industrial

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that is adjacent to their

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property. This is not new

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industrial. We're talking

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about a fully established

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industrial site today. And I

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don't think that this

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particular development would

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have any impact on their

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concern that I've heard. So

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I'm opposed to a continuance

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couple questions. Councilor

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her, first of hold you in high

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regard and have a lot of

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respect for you. Thank you for

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being here. You're in district

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20, sir. District 20 is the.

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District that this matter is

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being conducted. Just so you

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are the sitting city Council

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person in district, one. Yes,

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Okay. I just want make sure

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that's clear for the record.

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And then you add on the

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project on the project as a

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whole, I want know you want

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that. I want to right now as i

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look at the finding of facts

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on this project, it fits all

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of them. Write it when they

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come before you in the game

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for the hearing examiner,

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there's nothing in their

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petition that is outside the

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boundaries of would constitute

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any level of ability to pass

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your discretion where I see

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the opportunity for this

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development is in the

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tremendous amount of

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opportunity, both in the tax

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base and the community impact

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payments come from this.

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There's a lot that will come

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from. Don't go. All right.

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Going to be a lot that's going

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to come from the tif district

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that this is an ugly that will

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have a tremendous amount of

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impact on Irvington with

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allocation area already

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exists. When we talk about

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places like Irvington Plaza

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Ellenberger Park. So that will

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impact District 14. There's a

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large commitment and dollars

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that will go towards

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infrastructure, which I'm I'm

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right now under the impression

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that will go to impact the

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Washington Square Mall, which

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impacts a strict 20. There's

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another 2 and a half million

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dollars. That is just a

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charitable incentive from the

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petitioners that will go

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towards initiative that we've

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been trying to revive the Rams

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Bird ymca in a sense, you

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know, with some other

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operators, which is still

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communications, which those

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things are the things that

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when I did my my door knocking

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my listening might my surveys.

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That's what people want me to

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work on how to revive them

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all. How do you get the ymca

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back? And this provides a

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financial means to do that

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through those taxes and the

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abatement. So you're for the

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project. Right now. The

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project is favorable. Yes,

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thank you. Thank you for being

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Council. Thank you. All right.

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Counselor.

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Please introduce yourself. And

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Jon PRESIDENT Of the Central

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Indiana Building Trades

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Council. We stand appreciation

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being to the point is, well,

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please step stand in

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opposition of the continuance.

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One more time. We stand in

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opposition of the continuance.

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Thank you. You're back for

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more. I'm back for more. What

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we've got your request.

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Appreciate that. I do want to

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add one thing. I'm with regard

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to a counselor. Hart said he

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MAY very well be right. We

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just don't know which is why

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we're asking for more time. We

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didn't MISS West around. I

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don't think she is. She's not

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lying about the reach out when

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I think there was a mistake in

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how it happened because it

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never came to the board. And

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so as a result, the board was

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not notified until the end of

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JUNE or mid JUNE. And the

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board hasn't had an

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opportunity to review as MISS

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West. Rick Brown has admitted

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our conversation with dc

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Blocks has made this project

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better. More conversation.

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We'll make it even better. So

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to the extent that there's

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improvement to be done in this

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project. A short time for due

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diligence, isn't everybody's

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interest. Thank you very much.

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I'm gonna go Staff any the

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matter on the continuance.

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Thank you. PRESIDENT Dylan

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members of the commission

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staff is prepared to go

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forward today. And as you

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know, it is up to the

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commission to make the

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decision. Thank you very much.

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We've had a request members of

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the commission. For a

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continuance. 2026. Cvr. 8.15,

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in 2026. Cpl. 8.15 It would

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take a motion from a member of

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the commission and a second.

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Is there a motion to continue

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so moved? Thank you. Is there

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a second? Thank on your

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motion. On time. How long you

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want to continue it? 30 days.

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Can your manager motion that

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come amended for 30 days.

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Amend the motion for 30 days.

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I'm sorry. I amend the motion

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on the floor to be a 30 day.

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Continuance. And we have a

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second on that. Yes, sir.

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Thank you. We have a motion

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and a second. To continue.

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2026. Cvra 15, 2026 Cpl. 8.15,

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for 30 days. And I think on

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our schedule correctly rise

532
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try to get to AUGUST 19 not be

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correct. AUGUST 19 would be

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the hearing. Thank you, sir. I

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will now call the roll on the

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vote for continuance. Her.

537
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Yes. Yes, is to continue.

538
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That's correct. Got so yes.

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Vote is for the motion to

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continue a no vote is against

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the motion. Yes. Lyle. Yes.

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Already know. Murphy now.

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Schumacher. Yes. What snow?

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Dylan is a no. We will have a

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hearing today. The continuance

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has been defeated 4 to 3.

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Moving forward. Are there any

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other special request? Good

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afternoon. PRESIDENT Dylan

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members of the commission show

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called Around 11 South

552
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Meridian here Indianapolis. I

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have the other case today for

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public schedule for public

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hearing. It's agenda item. 17,

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2026, 0, 0, 5, 7 at 37. 0, 9,

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east Washington street. We

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would respectfully request a

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short continuance to your

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AUGUST 5th hearing just given

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kind of the dynamics in the

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room today. We think that

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would be beneficial for all

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parties concerned. Thank you.

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Members of the staff, you have

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any comments on that. Thank

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you. PRESIDENT Dylan members

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of the commission staff would

569
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have no objection to the

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continuance of 2026. Co nz

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Rose 5, 7, to the AUGUST 5th

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hearing and that would be

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without additional notice.

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Thank you is or what else you

575
00:21:46,621 --> 00:21:48,656
want comment on this

576
00:21:48,656 --> 00:21:49,357
particular continuance?

577
00:21:49,357 --> 00:21:52,357
Questions from members of the

578
00:21:52,426 --> 00:21:54,826
commission. Hearing. None we

579
00:21:56,764 --> 00:21:59,764
have before us. A continuous

580
00:22:01,102 --> 00:22:01,803
continue request.

581
00:22:01,803 --> 00:22:04,803
Councilmember sure you get it

582
00:22:08,543 --> 00:22:09,410
right for 2026. 5, 7, correct.

583
00:22:09,410 --> 00:22:12,380
To be heard on AUGUST 5th, let

584
00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:15,817
me call the roll her gut. Her

585
00:22:15,817 --> 00:22:16,617
star and then the motion. I

586
00:22:16,617 --> 00:22:19,353
need a motion. So moved

587
00:22:19,353 --> 00:22:21,622
segment. Second, thank you.

588
00:22:21,622 --> 00:22:25,822
Let me call the roll. Her. Get

589
00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:29,290
her. Yes. Lyle Lyle. Yes.

590
00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:29,831
Moreira Mauritius Murphy

591
00:22:29,831 --> 00:22:31,831
Murphy s Schumacher.

592
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,300
Schumacher. Yes, west, yes.

593
00:22:37,305 --> 00:22:37,972
Doing is a Council. You've got

594
00:22:37,972 --> 00:22:40,972
AUGUST thank you. Thank you

595
00:22:45,112 --> 00:22:48,712
very much. Yes, ma'am. I have

596
00:22:49,116 --> 00:22:50,985
a special request. I I request

597
00:22:50,985 --> 00:22:53,870
that you hear a few more

598
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:53,921
voices and to take a second

599
00:22:53,921 --> 00:22:54,623
vote about the continuance

600
00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,657
with the dc block so that you

601
00:22:56,657 --> 00:22:59,930
can make a wise decision that

602
00:22:59,930 --> 00:23:01,396
does not put un legal danger

603
00:23:01,396 --> 00:23:05,334
or even to put the dc blocks

604
00:23:05,334 --> 00:23:08,570
council in a legal bind. Thank

605
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:11,840
you. Decided the matter and to

606
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,375
the ips member. We are more

607
00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:16,975
and help more than glad to

608
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:17,746
hear your comments as a

609
00:23:17,746 --> 00:23:18,447
reminder straighter during the

610
00:23:18,447 --> 00:23:22,470
here. So please be ready for

611
00:23:26,522 --> 00:23:27,623
that. Thank you very much.

612
00:23:27,623 --> 00:23:28,856
Thank you. PRESIDENT Jesse

613
00:23:28,856 --> 00:23:30,692
Brown City going out to

614
00:23:30,692 --> 00:23:31,393
district 13. I'm asking for a

615
00:23:31,393 --> 00:23:32,393
special request for PRESIDENT

616
00:23:32,393 --> 00:23:34,529
Dylan and the rest of this

617
00:23:34,529 --> 00:23:35,197
commission to institute a data

618
00:23:35,197 --> 00:23:36,165
centre moratorium effective

619
00:23:36,165 --> 00:23:38,332
immediately or soon as

620
00:23:38,332 --> 00:23:39,801
possible. As of MAY you

621
00:23:39,801 --> 00:23:40,402
receive notice that all 25

622
00:23:40,402 --> 00:23:41,690
counselors, one of the

623
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:43,469
moratorium until the Su 47

624
00:23:44,573 --> 00:23:45,474
zoning was completed. As of

625
00:23:45,474 --> 00:23:47,676
this week, you've heard that

626
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,243
the dmv staff PRESIDENT There.

627
00:23:48,243 --> 00:23:48,877
I'm Mayor Hogsett and

628
00:23:48,877 --> 00:23:51,277
PRESIDENT Lewis have also

629
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,214
supported this moratorium. We

630
00:23:52,214 --> 00:23:52,949
heard in committee the danger

631
00:23:52,949 --> 00:23:55,949
of allowing developers to slip

632
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:56,753
through few weeks when the

633
00:23:56,753 --> 00:23:59,753
outcome is clear. But just

634
00:23:59,923 --> 00:24:00,557
paperwork has been done. The

635
00:24:00,557 --> 00:24:01,223
council cannot initiate a

636
00:24:01,223 --> 00:24:02,491
moratorium, but you can you

637
00:24:02,491 --> 00:24:04,526
don't need to wait for the

638
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:06,629
city council to return the

639
00:24:06,629 --> 00:24:08,631
amended proposal. And so I am

640
00:24:08,631 --> 00:24:09,364
asking you to act today to

641
00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:10,165
amend the agenda and or call a

642
00:24:10,165 --> 00:24:11,668
special meeting. Do everything

643
00:24:11,668 --> 00:24:12,435
in your power to institute a

644
00:24:12,435 --> 00:24:14,236
moratorium as soon as

645
00:24:14,236 --> 00:24:15,710
possible. Will further

646
00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:15,772
conversations happen? You do

647
00:24:15,772 --> 00:24:17,907
have this power so we need to

648
00:24:17,907 --> 00:24:18,541
use it. Thank you. Thank you,

649
00:24:18,541 --> 00:24:21,541
counselor. Let me make a

650
00:24:33,523 --> 00:24:35,923
point. Counselor. Castle, any

651
00:24:37,193 --> 00:24:38,194
makeup point of order? And you

652
00:24:38,194 --> 00:24:41,194
know, this better than most.

653
00:24:42,765 --> 00:24:45,168
We have. The city council

654
00:24:45,168 --> 00:24:48,168
who's taking the position that

655
00:24:49,706 --> 00:24:51,474
they want a moratorium on new.

656
00:24:51,474 --> 00:24:53,710
Data centers. The mayor has

657
00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:57,310
taken a position that he wants

658
00:24:57,447 --> 00:24:58,470
a moratorium on new. Data

659
00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:00,470
centers. No question.

660
00:25:01,116 --> 00:25:03,286
Everybody's public on that.

661
00:25:03,286 --> 00:25:04,253
The process now goes back to

662
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:07,853
the council to shoot us back.

663
00:25:08,458 --> 00:25:10,858
A ordinance. Requesting that

664
00:25:10,994 --> 00:25:11,561
that then we would have to

665
00:25:11,561 --> 00:25:13,561
address LaVar issues.

666
00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:19,870
Counselor. Is state law. 36 7,

667
00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:21,838
4, 1, 1, 1, 9, which is

668
00:25:21,838 --> 00:25:23,174
referred to as the vested

669
00:25:23,174 --> 00:25:26,174
rights. So the individuals in

670
00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:27,430
the I think there's 3 in the

671
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:30,430
queue. Correct me if I'm

672
00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:31,982
wrong. All have a vested right

673
00:25:31,982 --> 00:25:34,317
of the process and they've all

674
00:25:34,317 --> 00:25:37,121
gone through the process and

675
00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:39,256
should by statute have a vote.

676
00:25:39,256 --> 00:25:40,224
So from a point of order

677
00:25:40,224 --> 00:25:40,890
standpoint, we are waiting for

678
00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:43,594
the council to give us the

679
00:25:43,594 --> 00:25:44,228
moratorium. We've got the

680
00:25:44,228 --> 00:25:46,628
message from the mayor's

681
00:25:47,464 --> 00:25:49,864
office. Assuming that's going

682
00:25:49,934 --> 00:25:51,100
to happen in a timely fashion.

683
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:54,100
And that's those directions or

684
00:25:54,738 --> 00:25:55,873
we will follow at the time.

685
00:25:55,873 --> 00:25:56,674
But as of today, because of

686
00:25:56,674 --> 00:25:59,674
the vested rights state law,

687
00:26:00,911 --> 00:26:02,912
we got to keep moving. Just

688
00:26:02,912 --> 00:26:03,781
quick because I misstated

689
00:26:03,781 --> 00:26:05,820
wasn't speaking about, you

690
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:06,750
know, Metro blocks, dc blocks

691
00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:07,952
the people in front of you

692
00:26:07,952 --> 00:26:08,919
today. I was worried about for

693
00:26:08,919 --> 00:26:11,919
the next 30 45 days until you

694
00:26:12,722 --> 00:26:14,580
receive that proposal. I worry

695
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:15,626
that now new people look at

696
00:26:15,626 --> 00:26:16,292
that. That's of interest. You

697
00:26:16,292 --> 00:26:16,994
mentioned that's you can to

698
00:26:16,994 --> 00:26:18,596
avoid. We're going to stay in

699
00:26:18,596 --> 00:26:19,429
concert with what the council

700
00:26:19,429 --> 00:26:20,164
and the mayor's office wants

701
00:26:20,164 --> 00:26:22,366
to do. And then we will follow

702
00:26:22,366 --> 00:26:25,366
through from that. Thank you

703
00:26:30,541 --> 00:26:31,476
for being here. Council. Good

704
00:26:31,476 --> 00:26:33,430
afternoon. PRESIDENT Dylan

705
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:34,110
commissioners, Tonya Wilson,

706
00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:36,411
economic incentives. I'm here

707
00:26:37,883 --> 00:26:40,351
on behalf of item number 6

708
00:26:40,351 --> 00:26:41,860
staff respectfully requesting

709
00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:43,486
a 2 continuous for resolution.

710
00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:47,689
Number 2, 0, 2, 6, 8, 0, 3, 4,

711
00:26:49,794 --> 00:26:50,462
There was a identified which

712
00:26:50,462 --> 00:26:52,862
notice the incorrect parcel

713
00:26:52,864 --> 00:26:53,531
and we need time to write

714
00:26:53,531 --> 00:26:54,299
prompts a formation. Every

715
00:26:54,299 --> 00:26:57,299
notice and curry notice. And

716
00:26:57,669 --> 00:27:01,269
so we're asking for a 2 week,

717
00:27:01,506 --> 00:27:02,207
continuance to AUGUST the 5th.

718
00:27:02,207 --> 00:27:05,207
Thank you, Steph. Comments on

719
00:27:08,313 --> 00:27:08,980
this. Only that he would be

720
00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:09,848
required. Would you notice

721
00:27:09,848 --> 00:27:12,818
which is already in place? To

722
00:27:12,818 --> 00:27:15,218
give notice? Questions from

723
00:27:17,589 --> 00:27:18,223
members of the commission. But

724
00:27:18,223 --> 00:27:21,159
I also like to comment on

725
00:27:21,159 --> 00:27:22,928
request for a continuance.

726
00:27:22,928 --> 00:27:26,528
Seeing none we have before us

727
00:27:27,331 --> 00:27:29,331
2026. 3, 4, request for a

728
00:27:29,467 --> 00:27:30,202
continuance to the AUGUST 5th

729
00:27:30,202 --> 00:27:33,538
meeting. Can I get a motion to

730
00:27:33,538 --> 00:27:35,607
approve? Some of You

731
00:27:35,607 --> 00:27:37,576
Commissioner Murray? Can I get

732
00:27:37,576 --> 00:27:38,276
a second second? Thank you,

733
00:27:38,276 --> 00:27:41,276
commissioner her let me call

734
00:27:45,550 --> 00:27:49,150
the roll. Heard her. Lot. No.

735
00:27:52,757 --> 00:27:55,157
Where? Murphy s. Schumacher,

736
00:27:59,231 --> 00:28:01,631
Schumacher. Yes. West west,

737
00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:07,707
Dylan is a yes. You received.

738
00:28:07,707 --> 00:28:09,707
Continuance of 2026. 3, 4, to

739
00:28:10,343 --> 00:28:12,440
be continued to artists by

740
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,644
vote of 6 to one. Thank you.

741
00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:20,784
Thank you. Final. Requests

742
00:28:23,523 --> 00:28:24,123
withdraws continuances. Seeing

743
00:28:24,123 --> 00:28:24,724
Nancy, can you read the

744
00:28:24,724 --> 00:28:27,124
resolutions and to the

745
00:28:29,262 --> 00:28:31,662
minutes? Thank you. PRESIDENT

746
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,202
Dylan and commissioners. 2026

747
00:28:36,202 --> 00:28:38,360
are 0 to one authorizes the

748
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,805
Department Metropolitan

749
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,540
Development to use locally

750
00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:44,540
available funds in an amount

751
00:28:45,278 --> 00:28:45,878
not to exceed $15,000 to

752
00:28:45,878 --> 00:28:47,878
demolish this structure

753
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480
located at 26. 38. And 26 40

754
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:53,553
East 10th Street to facilitate

755
00:28:53,553 --> 00:28:55,953
investigation and removal of

756
00:28:58,324 --> 00:29:00,324
underground storage tanks.

757
00:29:02,395 --> 00:29:04,395
2026 a 0, 1, 4, a public

758
00:29:05,264 --> 00:29:05,999
hearing. Preliminary economic

759
00:29:05,999 --> 00:29:08,399
revitalization, excuse me, not

760
00:29:10,636 --> 00:29:12,720
for public hearing. 2026. A 0,

761
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:12,973
1, 4 preliminary economic

762
00:29:12,973 --> 00:29:14,973
revitalization area resolution

763
00:29:16,944 --> 00:29:18,100
for Metro Blocks, llc, located

764
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,100
at 25, 0, 5, North Sherman

765
00:29:21,247 --> 00:29:21,949
Drive Council district 8

766
00:29:21,949 --> 00:29:23,717
Senator Township recommended

767
00:29:23,717 --> 00:29:26,117
approval of 10 years. Real

768
00:29:28,622 --> 00:29:30,622
personal property abatement.

769
00:29:31,625 --> 00:29:32,493
2026. A 0, 1, 5 preliminary

770
00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:34,493
economic revitalization area

771
00:29:35,496 --> 00:29:37,798
resolution for Metro Block. So

772
00:29:37,798 --> 00:29:39,666
we'll see located a 25, 0, 5,

773
00:29:39,666 --> 00:29:41,902
North Sherman Drive Council

774
00:29:41,902 --> 00:29:43,370
district 8 Center Township

775
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:44,400
recommended approval. 15

776
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400
years. Enhanced personal

777
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:52,110
property tax abatement. 2026.

778
00:29:52,679 --> 00:29:54,114
A 0, 1, 9, 4, public hearing

779
00:29:54,114 --> 00:29:54,848
resolution authorizes an

780
00:29:54,848 --> 00:29:57,248
amendment to the 2023 Real

781
00:29:58,752 --> 00:30:00,752
property tax abatement

782
00:30:01,854 --> 00:30:03,854
approved by resolution 0, 2,

783
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,760
to 6 Alfa Laval, U.S. Group

784
00:30:10,731 --> 00:30:12,166
Services, Real Estate llc. 58

785
00:30:12,166 --> 00:30:12,733
20 Meritage Parkway Council

786
00:30:12,733 --> 00:30:14,733
district. 25 Franklin

787
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:20,710
Township. 2026. A 0, 3, 3, 4

788
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:26,130
public hearing. Finau Economic

789
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:28,130
revitalization area resolution

790
00:30:29,284 --> 00:30:30,752
for Ccbc see operations cells.

791
00:30:30,752 --> 00:30:33,752
Lc located at 5,000 West 25th

792
00:30:34,655 --> 00:30:36,240
Street Council District 11

793
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,724
Wayne Township recommended

794
00:30:36,724 --> 00:30:38,960
approval for years. Personal

795
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,494
property tax abatement. This

796
00:30:39,494 --> 00:30:41,894
the reading of the

797
00:30:43,698 --> 00:30:46,980
resolutions. Thank you, Nancy

798
00:30:47,335 --> 00:30:50,335
resolutions were for There are

799
00:30:50,638 --> 00:30:53,638
3 that are not scheduled for

800
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,442
public hearing 2026 to one

801
00:30:59,714 --> 00:31:01,714
2026. 1, 4, 2026. A 0, 1, 5.

802
00:31:08,289 --> 00:31:09,190
Let me be clear. Resolutions.

803
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:11,993
If approved, then would go to

804
00:31:11,993 --> 00:31:15,530
a public here. All this does

805
00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:16,264
is put them on the calendar.

806
00:31:16,264 --> 00:31:18,499
There's no decision on any one

807
00:31:18,499 --> 00:31:19,133
of them today. There's no

808
00:31:19,133 --> 00:31:22,733
debate on any one of them

809
00:31:22,737 --> 00:31:23,905
today. That all happens in the

810
00:31:23,905 --> 00:31:26,307
public meeting. That would be

811
00:31:26,307 --> 00:31:28,610
scheduled at this point for

812
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:30,111
AUGUST. 5th Rice, is that

813
00:31:30,111 --> 00:31:30,778
correct? That is correct. I

814
00:31:30,778 --> 00:31:32,681
just want to make sure I'm

815
00:31:32,681 --> 00:31:35,681
clear for the record. All

816
00:31:38,821 --> 00:31:41,821
right. We have before 2026 to

817
00:31:44,627 --> 00:31:46,627
one 2026. 1, 4, 2026. 1, 5,

818
00:31:46,861 --> 00:31:48,664
that are not set for a public

819
00:31:48,664 --> 00:31:49,864
hearing. Commissioner Murray,

820
00:31:49,864 --> 00:31:53,100
can I get a motion to approve

821
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,300
the 3 so moved? Thank you,

822
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,372
commissioner, any kind get a

823
00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:59,972
second second, let me call the

824
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,609
roll her. Get. Her. Yes. While

825
00:32:06,849 --> 00:32:09,249
Lyle, yes. Mauritius. Murphy

826
00:32:09,752 --> 00:32:11,200
Murphy s Robinson. I'm sorry,

827
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Robinson. Not here.

828
00:32:14,589 --> 00:32:16,589
Schumacher. Schumacher. Yester

829
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:25,130
one. No 2, 3, So you're no on

830
00:32:25,668 --> 00:32:28,668
2026. Won 4 in '01, 5, Got it

831
00:32:28,771 --> 00:32:32,371
in your yes. On 2026. To one.

832
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:39,645
West. West. Yes. Dylan is a

833
00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:44,417
yes. They pass. Some 2026. To

834
00:32:48,624 --> 00:32:51,240
one Nancy passes 7 to 0 2026.

835
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,566
1, 4, passes 6. Yes, one, no

836
00:32:56,566 --> 00:32:58,966
'01, 5 passes 60 s one. No.

837
00:33:01,504 --> 00:33:03,839
Moving forward. Nope, you can

838
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,439
you read those in the record?

839
00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:10,881
Is thank you. Sorry, Nancy, I

840
00:33:10,881 --> 00:33:11,615
jumped again. We get public

841
00:33:11,615 --> 00:33:13,583
hearings. I gotcha. Thank you,

842
00:33:13,583 --> 00:33:15,785
counselor. Appreciate it. All

843
00:33:15,785 --> 00:33:19,550
right. We now have before us

844
00:33:19,550 --> 00:33:21,550
2026 1, 9, for a public

845
00:33:21,910 --> 00:33:21,924
hearing. Resolution authorizes

846
00:33:21,924 --> 00:33:24,924
an amendment to the 2023 real

847
00:33:25,295 --> 00:33:27,295
property tax abatement

848
00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:30,867
approved by resolution to 6

849
00:33:30,867 --> 00:33:35,670
yet out. A lot U.S. Group

850
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Services, Real Estate llc,

851
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Parkway Council district. 25

852
00:33:42,879 --> 00:33:44,114
in Franklin Township. Thank

853
00:33:44,114 --> 00:33:45,715
you. PRESIDENT Doing and

854
00:33:45,715 --> 00:33:46,817
members of the commission. I

855
00:33:46,817 --> 00:33:49,217
am the Ramsey compliance

856
00:33:49,886 --> 00:33:50,554
manager for economic Sennas.

857
00:33:50,554 --> 00:33:52,554
This resolution requesting

858
00:33:53,557 --> 00:33:56,426
public handsome and the terms

859
00:33:56,426 --> 00:33:57,694
just agreement, the amendment

860
00:33:57,694 --> 00:34:00,694
would transfer to the new

861
00:34:00,898 --> 00:34:03,767
owner after loved by U.S.

862
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:04,569
Troops Services, Real Estate

863
00:34:04,569 --> 00:34:05,836
llc, an extended job creation

864
00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:07,836
commitment deadline to

865
00:34:10,441 --> 00:34:12,841
DECEMBER 31st. 2026. The dmv

866
00:34:13,644 --> 00:34:14,478
staff supports the amendment.

867
00:34:14,478 --> 00:34:15,979
Representatives from af of

868
00:34:15,979 --> 00:34:16,714
Laval and gp cm County Line

869
00:34:16,714 --> 00:34:20,314
Partners are expected to be in

870
00:34:20,518 --> 00:34:21,219
the audience. Thank you. Gonna

871
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:24,219
questions from members of the

872
00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:25,289
commission. There anyone else

873
00:34:25,289 --> 00:34:28,289
here today to cares the

874
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,428
comments? On '01, 5, Sharon,

875
00:34:34,832 --> 00:34:39,320
a. I will accept a motion to

876
00:34:39,437 --> 00:34:41,437
approve. 2026. 1, 9,

877
00:34:43,574 --> 00:34:44,775
commercial or so moved. Thank

878
00:34:44,775 --> 00:34:47,545
you commission. Allow can I

879
00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:48,212
get a second second call? The

880
00:34:48,212 --> 00:34:51,212
roll heard her. Yes, while

881
00:34:53,316 --> 00:34:54,552
yes. Where Murphy Murphy

882
00:34:54,552 --> 00:34:56,552
Schumacher Schumacher. Yes,

883
00:35:02,161 --> 00:35:05,761
West. West. Yes, don't as a

884
00:35:07,331 --> 00:35:08,833
2026 1, 9, 7 to 0. That takes

885
00:35:08,833 --> 00:35:11,233
us to 2026. 3, 3, for public

886
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:19,710
hearing. Final economic

887
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:21,710
revitalization area resolution

888
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:23,881
for Ccbc See Operations, llc

889
00:35:23,881 --> 00:35:26,281
that 5,000 West 25th Street

890
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,187
Council District 11 in Wayne

891
00:35:29,187 --> 00:35:29,887
Township recommended approval

892
00:35:29,887 --> 00:35:32,287
for years. Personal property

893
00:35:33,325 --> 00:35:35,126
tax abatement. Well, thank

894
00:35:35,126 --> 00:35:37,526
you, PRESIDENT Good afternoon.

895
00:35:38,129 --> 00:35:38,864
PRESIDENT Dylan and

896
00:35:38,864 --> 00:35:39,565
commissioners Cathy battle

897
00:35:39,565 --> 00:35:41,965
with the economic incentives

898
00:35:43,168 --> 00:35:44,203
team. The dmv. I am here on

899
00:35:44,203 --> 00:35:45,871
behalf of ccbc see operations

900
00:35:45,871 --> 00:35:48,271
or better known Coca-Cola

901
00:35:49,741 --> 00:35:52,141
battling and Consolidated llc

902
00:35:53,245 --> 00:35:54,745
located at 5,000 West 25th

903
00:35:54,745 --> 00:35:56,810
Street and the time the

904
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:59,810
Speedway on JULY, the 13th

905
00:35:59,384 --> 00:35:59,985
they received a approval of a

906
00:35:59,985 --> 00:36:01,985
resolution approving an

907
00:36:04,723 --> 00:36:05,390
abatement in their area. This

908
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:06,580
is for a four-year personal

909
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:08,526
property tax abatement at a

910
00:36:08,526 --> 00:36:10,526
50% straight line deduction

911
00:36:10,963 --> 00:36:12,698
with a 31.5 million

912
00:36:12,698 --> 00:36:13,332
investment. The company is

913
00:36:13,332 --> 00:36:15,434
installing a new blast,

914
00:36:15,434 --> 00:36:17,434
bottling man manufacturing

915
00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:19,471
line. This will be only the

916
00:36:19,471 --> 00:36:21,471
manufacturing glass. Bottom

917
00:36:22,341 --> 00:36:25,941
line in the us Coca-Cola has

918
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:29,470
thrive within city for many

919
00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:32,470
years. They will be retaining

920
00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:36,319
179 full time jobs of with 77%

921
00:36:36,356 --> 00:36:37,890
of those jobs are held by

922
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:39,489
Marion County. Residents going

923
00:36:40,726 --> 00:36:43,929
to be adding 16 new jobs with

924
00:36:43,929 --> 00:36:44,931
this project. Pain above $24.

925
00:36:44,931 --> 00:36:47,800
An hour. In addition, the

926
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,935
company has gone beyond the

927
00:36:49,935 --> 00:36:50,636
normal 5% inclusivity

928
00:36:50,636 --> 00:36:53,360
commitment and it's providing

929
00:36:54,641 --> 00:36:56,641
a 10% inclusivity commitment

930
00:36:56,675 --> 00:36:57,644
totaling 91 $1000 to go

931
00:36:57,644 --> 00:36:58,344
towards infrastructure

932
00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:00,344
improvements along Georgetown

933
00:37:03,483 --> 00:37:05,151
Road. Staff is recommending

934
00:37:05,151 --> 00:37:05,885
approval of resolution, 2, 0,

935
00:37:05,885 --> 00:37:06,452
2, 6, 8, 0, 3, 3, for 4 years.

936
00:37:06,452 --> 00:37:08,452
Personal property tax

937
00:37:09,722 --> 00:37:10,390
abatement. Thank you. Is

938
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:13,390
ruinous here today like to

939
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:15,940
comment on this resolution?

940
00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:16,763
Seeing none. Are there any

941
00:37:16,763 --> 00:37:19,763
questions from members of the

942
00:37:22,302 --> 00:37:22,902
commission on 2026, 3, 3,

943
00:37:22,902 --> 00:37:24,504
Hearing. Commissioners.

944
00:37:24,504 --> 00:37:26,773
Schumacher. Can I get a motion

945
00:37:26,773 --> 00:37:27,440
to approve 2026? 3, 3 so moved

946
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,400
treshon allow. Can I get a

947
00:37:31,978 --> 00:37:34,978
second second? Call the roll.

948
00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:39,252
Her. Yes, Lyle, yes. Ats?

949
00:37:39,252 --> 00:37:41,652
Murphy Murphy a. Schumacher

950
00:37:45,558 --> 00:37:47,958
Schumacher. Yes. West, yes.

951
00:37:49,362 --> 00:37:50,964
Doing as a yes, 2026. 3, 3,

952
00:37:50,964 --> 00:37:52,365
passes 7 to 0 and put a lot of

953
00:37:52,365 --> 00:37:55,168
time and effort into that.

954
00:37:55,168 --> 00:37:57,568
Well done. Thank you.

955
00:38:02,175 --> 00:38:04,175
2026. 3, 3 was continued to

956
00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:08,678
AUGUST 5th. So I believe we're

957
00:38:11,551 --> 00:38:13,951
done with our resolutions.

958
00:38:18,592 --> 00:38:19,260
Think 2026 a 0, 3, 4,

959
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:21,260
Continuing. This continues

960
00:38:22,696 --> 00:38:24,310
okay. Now as you read the

961
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:27,310
petitions of no appeal into

962
00:38:27,534 --> 00:38:28,135
the record. Yes, sir.

963
00:38:28,135 --> 00:38:30,535
Petitions and no appeal

964
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:34,940
recommended for approval.

965
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:38,579
2026. App's 0, 1, 1, 5,001 is

966
00:38:38,579 --> 00:38:39,580
5, 0, 0, 1, East Raman Street

967
00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:41,580
Center Township Council

968
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:48,620
District 19. 2026 0, 0, 1, 6,

969
00:38:49,223 --> 00:38:49,824
but 30, 30 Southeastern Avenue

970
00:38:49,824 --> 00:38:51,824
Centre Township Council

971
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:58,630
District 18. Twenty-twenty 6

972
00:39:00,201 --> 00:39:00,935
0, 2, 7 16, 11. East 18th

973
00:39:00,935 --> 00:39:03,335
Street Center Township Council

974
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,911
District 8. Twenty-twenty 6,

975
00:39:10,911 --> 00:39:12,911
0, 0, to 9 at 1, 0, 0, 3, or

976
00:39:13,882 --> 00:39:14,481
10, 0, 3 West 30th Street

977
00:39:14,481 --> 00:39:16,481
Center Township Council

978
00:39:21,755 --> 00:39:23,158
District 12. 2026 0, 0, 3, 0,

979
00:39:23,158 --> 00:39:23,892
amended 35, 0, 5, South Hardin

980
00:39:23,892 --> 00:39:26,292
Street Perry Township Council

981
00:39:30,365 --> 00:39:32,365
District. 22. 2026, 0, 0, 3,

982
00:39:33,268 --> 00:39:33,869
8, and 18, 30 Shelby Street

983
00:39:33,869 --> 00:39:35,869
Center Township Council

984
00:39:40,675 --> 00:39:42,675
District 8 teen. 2026 0, 0, 4,

985
00:39:43,645 --> 00:39:44,246
6, to 32 16 East 25th Street

986
00:39:44,246 --> 00:39:46,246
Center Township Council

987
00:39:52,621 --> 00:39:54,789
District h. 2026 Eazy e and 8,

988
00:39:54,789 --> 00:39:55,390
1, 3, amended 11, 27 South

989
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:57,790
East Re Center Township

990
00:40:00,228 --> 00:40:02,228
Council District. 18. And

991
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:06,735
lastly 2026 Eap 8 to 4 at 41

992
00:40:06,735 --> 00:40:08,735
0, 7, East Washington Street

993
00:40:09,538 --> 00:40:10,972
Center Township Council

994
00:40:10,972 --> 00:40:11,673
District 13. This season's the

995
00:40:11,673 --> 00:40:12,374
reading the resolutions that

996
00:40:12,374 --> 00:40:14,774
were recommended for approval

997
00:40:15,644 --> 00:40:16,645
by the hearing examiner. Thank

998
00:40:16,645 --> 00:40:20,245
you, Nancy. We have 2026, a p

999
00:40:22,752 --> 00:40:24,752
p o 1, 1, 2026, 0, 1, 6, 2026,

1000
00:40:32,395 --> 00:40:34,395
0 to 7, 2026, 0 to 9, 2026, 0

1001
00:40:40,635 --> 00:40:42,635
2026, 3, 8, 2026, 0 for 6,

1002
00:40:45,141 --> 00:40:47,141
2026. See Zn 8, 1, 3, 2026. C

1003
00:40:50,379 --> 00:40:51,790
a p 8, 2, 4 Commissioner

1004
00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:53,449
Murray. Can I get a motion to

1005
00:40:53,449 --> 00:40:54,150
approve all 9 so moved

1006
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,150
Commissioner Schumacher going

1007
00:40:56,452 --> 00:41:00,652
to get a second second. Let me

1008
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:02,625
call the roll. Heard her. Yes.

1009
00:41:02,625 --> 00:41:05,625
While yes, more already essler

1010
00:41:09,265 --> 00:41:12,265
Murphy Schumer. West. Yes, all

1011
00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:14,437
passed all 9 past 7 to 0. We

1012
00:41:14,437 --> 00:41:16,837
have one public hearing.

1013
00:41:22,645 --> 00:41:23,378
Please read into the record.

1014
00:41:23,378 --> 00:41:26,378
Thank you. PRESIDENT Dylan and

1015
00:41:27,783 --> 00:41:29,418
commissioners. Petitions for

1016
00:41:29,418 --> 00:41:30,530
public hearing people.

1017
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:30,786
Petitions recommended for

1018
00:41:30,786 --> 00:41:33,186
approval by the hearing

1019
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:36,190
examiner appeal feel filed by

1020
00:41:39,195 --> 00:41:41,195
every month straighter 2026.

1021
00:41:42,266 --> 00:41:44,266
Cvr 8, 1, 5, amended 2026 e 8,

1022
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:48,270
1, 5, but 305, fentayl drive.

1023
00:41:50,306 --> 00:41:52,306
Township Council district 20

1024
00:41:54,377 --> 00:41:55,450
property is owned issues. Dcb

1025
00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:57,445
Indianapolis llc by Monday

1026
00:41:58,849 --> 00:42:00,716
West Rick Brown requesting a

1027
00:42:00,716 --> 00:42:01,518
variance of use and

1028
00:42:01,518 --> 00:42:03,187
development standards of the

1029
00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:05,220
consolidated Zoning and

1030
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:05,722
subdivision ordinance to

1031
00:42:05,722 --> 00:42:07,558
provide for construction of a

1032
00:42:07,558 --> 00:42:09,793
data center not permitted

1033
00:42:09,793 --> 00:42:12,193
consisting of up to 2

1034
00:42:13,997 --> 00:42:15,999
buildings up to a total

1035
00:42:15,999 --> 00:42:18,135
330,000 Square feet with no

1036
00:42:18,135 --> 00:42:18,836
less than 100 parking spaces,

1037
00:42:18,836 --> 00:42:20,836
minimum 330 parking spaces

1038
00:42:25,509 --> 00:42:26,610
required. Also requesting

1039
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:29,379
approval of a subdivision plat

1040
00:42:29,379 --> 00:42:31,648
to be known as replant of of

1041
00:42:31,648 --> 00:42:33,648
the Thunderbird. Commerce

1042
00:42:33,817 --> 00:42:35,817
entered Subdividing. 32.4, 0,

1043
00:42:37,354 --> 00:42:39,754
6, acres into 2. Lots. Well,

1044
00:42:41,325 --> 00:42:42,392
all those intending to

1045
00:42:42,392 --> 00:42:43,930
testify, please stand but

1046
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:45,493
PRESIDENT Dylan will address

1047
00:42:50,534 --> 00:42:51,268
you for assembly. Women day.

1048
00:42:51,268 --> 00:42:51,970
All those intended to testify.

1049
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:54,970
Please stand raise your right

1050
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:00,912
hands. Do you swear or affirm

1051
00:43:00,912 --> 00:43:01,579
and to penalize the Purdue to

1052
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:02,379
tell the truth and nothing.

1053
00:43:02,379 --> 00:43:06,579
But the truth say I do. Thank

1054
00:43:07,352 --> 00:43:08,850
you. Thank you. Let me walk

1055
00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:09,988
through rules of engagement as

1056
00:43:09,988 --> 00:43:13,123
we move forward. This is a

1057
00:43:13,123 --> 00:43:15,523
public hearing. We conduct

1058
00:43:16,794 --> 00:43:19,794
with. Guidance by the rules

1059
00:43:21,166 --> 00:43:24,166
and by proper. Procedure and

1060
00:43:26,671 --> 00:43:29,710
buy. The crowd. Recognizing

1061
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:29,841
that these are tough issues

1062
00:43:29,841 --> 00:43:30,375
and then we're going to move

1063
00:43:30,375 --> 00:43:32,375
through pretty fast

1064
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:37,120
professionally as we can.

1065
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:38,516
Petitioner gets 15 minutes.

1066
00:43:38,516 --> 00:43:40,916
The reminds traitors get 15

1067
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:42,987
minutes. I will then go to any

1068
00:43:42,987 --> 00:43:45,523
city council, person who wants

1069
00:43:45,523 --> 00:43:48,593
to comment. Mills. And I think

1070
00:43:48,593 --> 00:43:52,793
you want to comment then go to

1071
00:43:53,197 --> 00:43:55,800
staff. Come back for 5 minutes

1072
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,335
rebuttal to the petitioner 5

1073
00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:58,360
minutes rebuttal to the rim on

1074
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,838
straighter. And then we will

1075
00:43:59,838 --> 00:44:02,600
take a vote members of the

1076
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600
commission, its 2 votes. 2

1077
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:09,100
bouts now. I have a special

1078
00:44:10,949 --> 00:44:13,170
requests. Alexander, make sure

1079
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:14,320
that you're up in front on the

1080
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,200
reminds traitors my front and

1081
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,620
the back Make sure you're up

1082
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:20,525
front. On stretchers to give

1083
00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:21,920
your testimony and your

1084
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:21,961
thoughts. That's the

1085
00:44:21,961 --> 00:44:23,963
appropriate time to tell us

1086
00:44:23,963 --> 00:44:26,632
what you think. And we

1087
00:44:26,632 --> 00:44:29,320
appreciate it very much.

1088
00:44:32,605 --> 00:44:33,239
Councilor you're on the clock.

1089
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,906
Thank you. Members of the

1090
00:44:33,906 --> 00:44:35,407
commission Monday, Western

1091
00:44:35,407 --> 00:44:36,742
Brown with offices at 300

1092
00:44:36,742 --> 00:44:37,510
north Brady and Sweet. 2500

1093
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:39,910
Indianapolis, Indiana for 6 to

1094
00:44:41,213 --> 00:44:43,616
0 for for the record. Today

1095
00:44:43,616 --> 00:44:44,316
joined by dc blocks executives

1096
00:44:44,316 --> 00:44:47,316
thereby owes aren't have one

1097
00:44:47,485 --> 00:44:48,488
of your binder. Dc blocks was

1098
00:44:48,488 --> 00:44:51,123
founded in 2014 and has over

1099
00:44:51,123 --> 00:44:52,230
10 locations in the Southeast

1100
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:54,423
information about the company

1101
00:44:55,661 --> 00:44:56,395
can be found in tap to but dc

1102
00:44:56,395 --> 00:44:57,263
Blacks would like to bring to

1103
00:44:57,263 --> 00:45:00,863
edge note facilities to and I

1104
00:45:02,501 --> 00:45:03,936
3 par saw. We appreciate your

1105
00:45:03,936 --> 00:45:04,637
attention to important in big

1106
00:45:04,637 --> 00:45:07,506
cases like this one project.

1107
00:45:07,506 --> 00:45:08,207
Details and facts tax are

1108
00:45:08,207 --> 00:45:10,607
absolutely critical here with

1109
00:45:11,443 --> 00:45:13,479
a lot of misinformation. So my

1110
00:45:13,479 --> 00:45:14,146
apologies for the 7 inches of

1111
00:45:14,146 --> 00:45:15,181
finder. But it's absolutely

1112
00:45:15,181 --> 00:45:18,117
critical that we have all the

1113
00:45:18,117 --> 00:45:19,190
facts with limited time. I'm

1114
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:20,986
going to work to show you how

1115
00:45:20,986 --> 00:45:22,956
we've responded to community

1116
00:45:22,956 --> 00:45:24,523
members made real progress by

1117
00:45:24,523 --> 00:45:25,925
working tirelessly to answer

1118
00:45:25,925 --> 00:45:28,861
questions at a lot of

1119
00:45:28,861 --> 00:45:30,797
commitments, make amendments

1120
00:45:30,797 --> 00:45:31,498
and make improvements at every

1121
00:45:31,498 --> 00:45:34,498
turn that demonstrate we meet

1122
00:45:35,201 --> 00:45:37,737
them. Findings of fact. Dc

1123
00:45:37,737 --> 00:45:38,405
Blocks has met some absolutely

1124
00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:40,805
great leaders and community

1125
00:45:40,941 --> 00:45:42,508
activists on the east side and

1126
00:45:42,508 --> 00:45:44,477
has significant support from

1127
00:45:44,477 --> 00:45:45,144
the Warren Township

1128
00:45:45,144 --> 00:45:47,144
Development Association. A

1129
00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:48,148
member of the Irvington

1130
00:45:48,148 --> 00:45:50,148
Community Council nearby

1131
00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:51,251
residents and East side,

1132
00:45:51,251 --> 00:45:53,651
neighbors, the trades and

1133
00:45:56,857 --> 00:45:57,824
civic leaders. This and has

1134
00:45:57,824 --> 00:45:58,458
produced the community support

1135
00:45:58,458 --> 00:46:00,858
that's outlined in Tab 17

1136
00:46:01,661 --> 00:46:02,362
through 25 in your binder.

1137
00:46:02,362 --> 00:46:02,963
Nancy and Kathleen also have

1138
00:46:02,963 --> 00:46:03,697
an additional letter of

1139
00:46:03,697 --> 00:46:04,364
support, not in your binder

1140
00:46:04,364 --> 00:46:06,764
from the Shepherd Community

1141
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,802
Center. We've also included

1142
00:46:09,802 --> 00:46:10,804
support from other

1143
00:46:10,804 --> 00:46:12,973
jurisdictions where dc Blocks

1144
00:46:12,973 --> 00:46:15,373
operates in taps. 26 through

1145
00:46:15,977 --> 00:46:17,244
32 because of this engagement,

1146
00:46:17,244 --> 00:46:19,800
dc blocks better understands

1147
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:19,779
the community needs including

1148
00:46:19,779 --> 00:46:21,681
pedestrian connectivity.

1149
00:46:21,681 --> 00:46:24,810
Irvington Plaza in Washington

1150
00:46:24,185 --> 00:46:25,180
Square Mall Parks, the Rance

1151
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:27,418
Burger ymca, Common Ground,

1152
00:46:28,755 --> 00:46:30,190
the Morehead Resource Center

1153
00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:31,124
collaboration, potential with

1154
00:46:31,124 --> 00:46:32,125
the Shepherd Community Center

1155
00:46:32,125 --> 00:46:33,593
and other community members

1156
00:46:33,593 --> 00:46:34,195
and future education

1157
00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:35,829
opportunities that both

1158
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:37,898
Irving, 10 community school as

1159
00:46:37,898 --> 00:46:40,330
well as the Warren Township

1160
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:42,703
schools. This list is, of

1161
00:46:42,703 --> 00:46:43,436
course, not exhaustive of the

1162
00:46:43,436 --> 00:46:44,137
community needs, but this list

1163
00:46:44,137 --> 00:46:44,838
represents a sample of the dc

1164
00:46:44,838 --> 00:46:47,838
connection over the last few

1165
00:46:48,909 --> 00:46:49,543
months. Which helped pose has

1166
00:46:49,543 --> 00:46:51,444
helped create a better

1167
00:46:51,444 --> 00:46:53,800
understanding of future

1168
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:53,713
involvement. Potential dc Box

1169
00:46:53,713 --> 00:46:56,516
is absolutely ready to do

1170
00:46:56,516 --> 00:46:57,684
great work on the east side.

1171
00:46:57,684 --> 00:46:58,451
And mayor eager to work with

1172
00:46:58,451 --> 00:47:00,821
dc box for the betterment of

1173
00:47:00,821 --> 00:47:03,821
the community as well. Dc

1174
00:47:04,625 --> 00:47:05,326
Blacks is unapologetic about

1175
00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:07,726
making a community protection

1176
00:47:08,496 --> 00:47:09,430
pledge which is in tab 3. This

1177
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:10,264
outlines the zoning

1178
00:47:10,264 --> 00:47:11,965
commitments in a manner that's

1179
00:47:11,965 --> 00:47:13,100
easier for the public to

1180
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,100
digest, but also makes a

1181
00:47:16,871 --> 00:47:17,839
commitment of at least 2.5

1182
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:18,939
million dollars for the

1183
00:47:18,939 --> 00:47:20,408
community benefit that is

1184
00:47:20,408 --> 00:47:21,142
outside any sort of formal tax

1185
00:47:21,142 --> 00:47:23,542
discussions. It's simply a

1186
00:47:25,179 --> 00:47:27,147
charitable contribution.

1187
00:47:27,147 --> 00:47:28,382
Leadership that the United Way

1188
00:47:28,382 --> 00:47:29,160
has reached out to host a

1189
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,785
listening session with dc

1190
00:47:30,785 --> 00:47:32,987
Blocks and counselor heart in

1191
00:47:32,987 --> 00:47:34,889
the community on AUGUST 5th,

1192
00:47:34,889 --> 00:47:35,790
where we hope we can continue

1193
00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:36,391
engaging with the community on

1194
00:47:36,391 --> 00:47:38,391
charitable and economic

1195
00:47:39,761 --> 00:47:41,896
impact. Let me Orient you to

1196
00:47:41,896 --> 00:47:43,731
the site in our specific

1197
00:47:43,731 --> 00:47:46,000
request. The site is a total

1198
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,868
of 32 acres with 22 acres that

1199
00:47:46,868 --> 00:47:48,236
can be developed in the

1200
00:47:48,236 --> 00:47:48,937
northwest corner of the

1201
00:47:48,937 --> 00:47:49,638
Thunderbird Commerce Center,

1202
00:47:49,638 --> 00:47:53,742
which is the old Ford stay on

1203
00:47:53,742 --> 00:47:54,775
site. As a former automotive

1204
00:47:54,775 --> 00:47:56,544
plant has shown here. This is

1205
00:47:56,544 --> 00:47:59,544
an industrial site zoned. I 3

1206
00:48:00,782 --> 00:48:03,840
since 1956, a variance of use

1207
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:03,751
is required because edge note

1208
00:48:03,751 --> 00:48:05,751
facilities hosting optical

1209
00:48:06,754 --> 00:48:08,756
network here are undefined.

1210
00:48:08,756 --> 00:48:09,590
The development standards

1211
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:11,293
reduce the parking spots,

1212
00:48:11,293 --> 00:48:11,993
providing a positive

1213
00:48:11,993 --> 00:48:13,993
environmental impact. The

1214
00:48:14,229 --> 00:48:17,132
reply allows the parcels to

1215
00:48:17,132 --> 00:48:19,300
correspond to their faces as

1216
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:20,301
the site plan shows phase one

1217
00:48:20,301 --> 00:48:22,670
and building one have plans to

1218
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:24,205
be operational within 24

1219
00:48:24,205 --> 00:48:27,805
months. S has the capacity to

1220
00:48:28,143 --> 00:48:28,778
serve building one with 10

1221
00:48:28,778 --> 00:48:29,377
megawatt with just minor

1222
00:48:29,377 --> 00:48:31,777
updates to the existing

1223
00:48:33,682 --> 00:48:35,450
substation. Building. 2 has a

1224
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:37,419
tenet. And as low density edge

1225
00:48:37,419 --> 00:48:38,620
note facility, it's not an ai

1226
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:41,200
data center. We've eliminated

1227
00:48:41,523 --> 00:48:42,224
building 3 completely added

1228
00:48:42,224 --> 00:48:45,194
more. Green space shifted the

1229
00:48:45,194 --> 00:48:47,229
building further to the south.

1230
00:48:47,229 --> 00:48:48,363
We've eliminated. 25 backup

1231
00:48:48,363 --> 00:48:51,299
generators and remove the need

1232
00:48:51,299 --> 00:48:51,967
for 28 megawatts of power. The

1233
00:48:51,967 --> 00:48:54,737
project details are on the

1234
00:48:54,737 --> 00:48:55,604
side of the slide. I know many

1235
00:48:55,604 --> 00:48:59,204
are familiar with the old Ford

1236
00:49:00,142 --> 00:49:00,742
to stay on site. This area was

1237
00:49:00,742 --> 00:49:02,742
industrial is currently

1238
00:49:02,744 --> 00:49:04,813
industrial and has an

1239
00:49:04,813 --> 00:49:05,948
industrial future. Monarch is

1240
00:49:05,948 --> 00:49:07,616
currently operational just

1241
00:49:07,616 --> 00:49:10,616
south of us with 37 truck

1242
00:49:10,986 --> 00:49:11,621
based just on Fentayl alone.

1243
00:49:11,621 --> 00:49:13,856
Cantley is an industrial

1244
00:49:13,856 --> 00:49:14,556
corridor to the West. But the

1245
00:49:14,556 --> 00:49:17,227
racetrack, less than a half a

1246
00:49:17,227 --> 00:49:17,860
mile from this site, English

1247
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:21,364
is to the south with the

1248
00:49:21,364 --> 00:49:22,365
photos of the semis and a s

1249
00:49:22,365 --> 00:49:23,999
easement with an active

1250
00:49:23,999 --> 00:49:24,700
substation is to the north

1251
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,700
separating us from the Penske

1252
00:49:28,838 --> 00:49:30,205
Trail. Chelan with highway

1253
00:49:30,205 --> 00:49:31,240
like interchanges are to the

1254
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,942
east. The atf truck terminal,

1255
00:49:33,942 --> 00:49:36,342
which has 96 truck terminals

1256
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,313
and 560 parking spaces is

1257
00:49:38,313 --> 00:49:39,140
immediate neighbor to the

1258
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:41,650
Pence e on one side and this

1259
00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:42,752
project on the other. We are

1260
00:49:42,752 --> 00:49:45,154
less than a mile as the crow

1261
00:49:45,154 --> 00:49:45,856
flies from the long operating

1262
00:49:45,856 --> 00:49:48,856
and not disruptive East Cape

1263
00:49:49,125 --> 00:49:50,960
Data center. Dc Box has built

1264
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,620
building one just outside of

1265
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:54,498
Atlanta. And we've provided to

1266
00:49:54,498 --> 00:49:55,431
ers to counselor Heart the

1267
00:49:55,431 --> 00:49:56,765
Indy Chamber. The building

1268
00:49:56,765 --> 00:49:58,902
trades the Warren Township

1269
00:49:58,902 --> 00:50:00,737
School Board and Irving 10

1270
00:50:00,737 --> 00:50:02,738
schools. So we know this

1271
00:50:02,738 --> 00:50:04,700
design operates like a quiet

1272
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:06,407
warehouse. Dc Box has

1273
00:50:07,577 --> 00:50:08,311
redeveloped in brownfield with

1274
00:50:08,311 --> 00:50:10,711
countless similarities to this

1275
00:50:11,581 --> 00:50:13,160
specific site in Birmingham,

1276
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:13,716
unbeknownst to dc Blocks, a

1277
00:50:13,716 --> 00:50:15,716
Birmingham neighbor testified

1278
00:50:16,586 --> 00:50:18,721
about dc box positive impact.

1279
00:50:18,721 --> 00:50:19,323
Julie Goldsberry, Ron Phillips

1280
00:50:19,323 --> 00:50:20,423
and Carrie Blackwell, a

1281
00:50:20,423 --> 00:50:22,823
retired isd firefighter. Found

1282
00:50:24,694 --> 00:50:26,563
keys. On their own when they

1283
00:50:26,563 --> 00:50:27,597
visited dc blocks in

1284
00:50:27,597 --> 00:50:28,232
Birmingham. And as I

1285
00:50:28,232 --> 00:50:29,566
understand it, they had a

1286
00:50:29,566 --> 00:50:30,266
lovely time meeting with

1287
00:50:30,266 --> 00:50:30,967
community members and elected

1288
00:50:30,967 --> 00:50:33,967
officials to learn more about

1289
00:50:34,638 --> 00:50:35,471
dc box. We've added

1290
00:50:35,471 --> 00:50:37,871
commitments to address the

1291
00:50:38,308 --> 00:50:41,111
dust, which has a prior

1292
00:50:41,111 --> 00:50:42,212
approved with item as well.

1293
00:50:42,212 --> 00:50:43,280
But we're thankful for

1294
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,748
neighbors like Ron Julian,

1295
00:50:44,748 --> 00:50:45,482
Gary, for their attention.

1296
00:50:45,482 --> 00:50:47,882
This project is absolutely

1297
00:50:47,984 --> 00:50:48,751
better because of them and

1298
00:50:48,751 --> 00:50:49,352
their attention to these

1299
00:50:49,352 --> 00:50:52,352
details as well as many

1300
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:53,923
others. Today we're joined by

1301
00:50:53,923 --> 00:50:56,920
please Challis who has a full

1302
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,694
accounting of this brownfield

1303
00:50:57,694 --> 00:50:58,329
to answer any questions there

1304
00:50:58,329 --> 00:51:00,729
to brownfield letters and

1305
00:51:01,632 --> 00:51:02,466
taps. 51 to 52, dc Blacks

1306
00:51:02,466 --> 00:51:04,602
would be the 3rd entity to

1307
00:51:04,602 --> 00:51:06,370
remediate this specific site.

1308
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:08,939
We did a walking tour with

1309
00:51:08,939 --> 00:51:12,539
loss and clues in JUNE to

1310
00:51:13,344 --> 00:51:15,212
answer questions. Dc Blocks

1311
00:51:15,212 --> 00:51:17,548
has schools as close as across

1312
00:51:17,548 --> 00:51:18,583
the fence. You can see in this

1313
00:51:18,583 --> 00:51:20,983
aerial here, Huntsville School

1314
00:51:24,188 --> 00:51:25,356
is 234 feet away. Where is the

1315
00:51:25,356 --> 00:51:26,357
dc blocks facility in

1316
00:51:26,357 --> 00:51:28,757
Indianapolis would be more

1317
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:30,761
than 817 feet away from the

1318
00:51:30,761 --> 00:51:31,428
building and then the

1319
00:51:31,428 --> 00:51:34,320
generators would be on the

1320
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:34,732
backside of that building, the

1321
00:51:34,732 --> 00:51:37,132
substation, an easement which

1322
00:51:37,968 --> 00:51:39,360
is planned for the expansion

1323
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,703
with or without the c block

1324
00:51:39,703 --> 00:51:43,175
sits in between us and the

1325
00:51:43,175 --> 00:51:43,874
trail in the school. The

1326
00:51:43,874 --> 00:51:44,441
school neighbor in Huntsville

1327
00:51:44,441 --> 00:51:46,110
has provided a letter

1328
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:47,978
outlining that that they have

1329
00:51:47,978 --> 00:51:48,647
not had any issues with the c

1330
00:51:48,647 --> 00:51:51,470
block, says their neighbor,

1331
00:51:51,715 --> 00:51:52,816
which has been operational for

1332
00:51:52,816 --> 00:51:55,816
8 years. That letter is in

1333
00:52:00,325 --> 00:52:01,250
tab. 26. Tab. 55 is a no-win

1334
00:52:01,250 --> 00:52:01,759
grows for this specific area

1335
00:52:01,759 --> 00:52:04,863
which shows the wind is moving

1336
00:52:04,863 --> 00:52:07,980
away from the school Epsilon

1337
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:07,833
also noted at the time of the

1338
00:52:07,833 --> 00:52:10,233
sound readings in Indianapolis

1339
00:52:11,102 --> 00:52:11,837
and tab. 63 63 that the wind

1340
00:52:11,837 --> 00:52:12,537
at that time of those readings

1341
00:52:12,537 --> 00:52:15,537
was also traveling away from

1342
00:52:16,341 --> 00:52:17,309
the school. Dc blocks can

1343
00:52:17,309 --> 00:52:18,760
provide a more positive

1344
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,511
experience for the school as a

1345
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:22,347
neighbor compared to other. I

1346
00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:24,182
3 uses allowed by right? You

1347
00:52:24,182 --> 00:52:26,582
can look tab. 44, for

1348
00:52:27,385 --> 00:52:28,587
comparison chart of those.

1349
00:52:28,587 --> 00:52:29,286
Some of the benefits

1350
00:52:29,286 --> 00:52:32,910
highlighted in the trip memo

1351
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:34,358
and tab. 43 show up to an 80%

1352
00:52:34,358 --> 00:52:35,727
reduction in traffic, which

1353
00:52:35,727 --> 00:52:38,127
means less Chuck diesel

1354
00:52:38,263 --> 00:52:38,864
exhaust less beef being

1355
00:52:38,864 --> 00:52:40,864
manufacturing waste and

1356
00:52:42,733 --> 00:52:44,736
emissions. 9 members from the

1357
00:52:44,736 --> 00:52:45,337
school. In addition to 4

1358
00:52:45,337 --> 00:52:46,370
members from the Warren

1359
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:47,739
Township school board have

1360
00:52:47,739 --> 00:52:49,774
traveled to Atlanta to see

1361
00:52:49,774 --> 00:52:50,509
building one. We've added

1362
00:52:50,509 --> 00:52:51,811
additional commitments for the

1363
00:52:51,811 --> 00:52:52,677
school. And we've even added

1364
00:52:52,677 --> 00:52:53,245
them as an entity that can

1365
00:52:53,245 --> 00:52:55,245
directly enforced the

1366
00:52:56,715 --> 00:52:57,415
commitments. Here is the full

1367
00:52:57,415 --> 00:52:59,815
build out rendering which

1368
00:53:02,288 --> 00:53:03,540
shows additional green space.

1369
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,893
The next slide is I use I 3

1370
00:53:06,893 --> 00:53:08,426
uses allowed by right today.

1371
00:53:08,426 --> 00:53:09,395
This next slide shows a number

1372
00:53:09,395 --> 00:53:10,396
of reasons why the approval of

1373
00:53:10,396 --> 00:53:12,165
this variance would benefit

1374
00:53:12,165 --> 00:53:14,565
the community over those

1375
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:15,735
existing. I 3 uses allowed by

1376
00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:17,570
right, including that data

1377
00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:18,638
center projects like this have

1378
00:53:18,638 --> 00:53:21,638
little traffic but high wages

1379
00:53:22,475 --> 00:53:23,442
and high assessed value dc

1380
00:53:23,442 --> 00:53:24,677
Black says a more

1381
00:53:24,677 --> 00:53:25,678
environmentally friendly use

1382
00:53:25,678 --> 00:53:26,480
than many of those uses on the

1383
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,880
Isle 3 list, which is

1384
00:53:29,515 --> 00:53:31,915
supported by our environmental

1385
00:53:32,585 --> 00:53:33,653
expert reports in tabs. 51 for

1386
00:53:33,653 --> 00:53:34,320
59. Tara Kind is here with us

1387
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,230
today. If you'd like to ask

1388
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:38,157
them any questions. But it is

1389
00:53:38,157 --> 00:53:39,525
worth noting that we would be

1390
00:53:39,525 --> 00:53:42,525
applying for the smallest air

1391
00:53:43,396 --> 00:53:44,664
permit that item offers and we

1392
00:53:44,664 --> 00:53:46,332
have plans to only use one 4th

1393
00:53:46,332 --> 00:53:47,660
of the smallest air permit due

1394
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:50,660
to the restrictions that we've

1395
00:53:50,336 --> 00:53:52,736
placed on the generators.

1396
00:53:53,206 --> 00:53:56,206
We're excited to be joined

1397
00:53:56,577 --> 00:53:58,644
today by trades men and women

1398
00:53:58,644 --> 00:54:00,746
here today and the Central

1399
00:54:00,746 --> 00:54:01,747
Indiana building trades to

1400
00:54:01,747 --> 00:54:02,549
assist with this 2 billion

1401
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:06,149
dollar project. And I will let

1402
00:54:06,752 --> 00:54:07,353
John say a few words. Please

1403
00:54:07,353 --> 00:54:08,870
introduce yourself your

1404
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:11,687
address and have you been duly

1405
00:54:13,861 --> 00:54:14,594
sworn? Jon 18? 28 North

1406
00:54:14,594 --> 00:54:15,294
Meridian Street. Kind of. Yes,

1407
00:54:15,294 --> 00:54:18,565
I have been duly sworn. Thank

1408
00:54:18,565 --> 00:54:19,166
you, Mr, welcome. All right.

1409
00:54:19,166 --> 00:54:19,766
PRESIDENT And executive

1410
00:54:19,766 --> 00:54:21,568
director of the Central

1411
00:54:21,568 --> 00:54:22,503
Indiana Building Trades

1412
00:54:22,503 --> 00:54:23,703
Council probably representing

1413
00:54:23,703 --> 00:54:24,303
over 35,000 men and Women of

1414
00:54:24,303 --> 00:54:26,106
the Union construction

1415
00:54:26,106 --> 00:54:26,773
industry here in Indianapolis.

1416
00:54:26,773 --> 00:54:29,773
We are pleased to announce

1417
00:54:29,877 --> 00:54:30,477
that we have executed and

1418
00:54:30,477 --> 00:54:31,143
signed a project labor

1419
00:54:31,143 --> 00:54:33,543
agreement for this project.

1420
00:54:39,186 --> 00:54:41,655
Thank you. Thank you, MR.

1421
00:54:41,655 --> 00:54:42,422
Please incorporate our robust

1422
00:54:42,422 --> 00:54:43,156
findings of fact and tap 33

1423
00:54:43,156 --> 00:54:43,791
and include the exhibit book

1424
00:54:43,791 --> 00:54:45,559
in its entirety into the

1425
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,660
record. We are in full

1426
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:48,328
agreement. But the staff

1427
00:54:48,328 --> 00:54:49,363
report and would draw your

1428
00:54:49,363 --> 00:54:50,464
attention to the fact that

1429
00:54:50,464 --> 00:54:51,398
this parcel is also in an

1430
00:54:51,398 --> 00:54:51,965
industrial reserve, which

1431
00:54:51,965 --> 00:54:54,365
means it's prime for

1432
00:54:55,502 --> 00:54:57,370
industrial development. The

1433
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:59,373
unit excite with access to

1434
00:54:59,373 --> 00:55:00,807
fiber for an edge. No facility

1435
00:55:00,807 --> 00:55:02,900
to be adequately located. The

1436
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:05,900
site is just below utility

1437
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,280
easement with an a substation.

1438
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,882
The data center would generate

1439
00:55:08,882 --> 00:55:10,500
fewer trips list, daily

1440
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:11,840
activity less visual impact

1441
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,684
than the other I 3 uses as

1442
00:55:15,322 --> 00:55:17,192
outlined in the traffic memo.

1443
00:55:17,192 --> 00:55:18,193
2 certified independent

1444
00:55:18,193 --> 00:55:18,926
Indiana appraisers have

1445
00:55:18,926 --> 00:55:19,594
confirmed that the surrounding

1446
00:55:19,594 --> 00:55:21,762
property values will not be

1447
00:55:21,762 --> 00:55:22,763
affected in a substantially

1448
00:55:22,763 --> 00:55:25,163
adverse manner. The full

1449
00:55:25,666 --> 00:55:27,134
report can be found in tabs.

1450
00:55:27,134 --> 00:55:27,901
47 48 along with a consistent

1451
00:55:27,901 --> 00:55:30,301
George Mason University study

1452
00:55:30,971 --> 00:55:32,307
and tab. 49 is here with us

1453
00:55:32,307 --> 00:55:34,508
today. If you have any

1454
00:55:34,508 --> 00:55:36,908
questions, the next slides

1455
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,247
show, the robust commitments

1456
00:55:39,247 --> 00:55:41,181
dc Box has agreed to pay for

1457
00:55:41,181 --> 00:55:41,916
infrastructure generation

1458
00:55:41,916 --> 00:55:42,617
transmission and distribution.

1459
00:55:42,617 --> 00:55:46,217
So these costs are not passed

1460
00:55:46,221 --> 00:55:46,921
on to local customers, dc

1461
00:55:46,921 --> 00:55:49,230
boxes also. And this is this.

1462
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:51,191
A big has committed to using

1463
00:55:51,191 --> 00:55:52,694
green. Our through Nas Offset

1464
00:55:52,694 --> 00:55:53,394
Program, which was important

1465
00:55:53,394 --> 00:55:55,129
to counselor Nielsen

1466
00:55:55,129 --> 00:55:57,129
constituents in the

1467
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,666
neighboring district. You can

1468
00:55:58,666 --> 00:56:00,635
see more energy information

1469
00:56:00,635 --> 00:56:02,670
and tab 73 through 85 that

1470
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:04,472
show other utilities in

1471
00:56:04,472 --> 00:56:06,740
Indiana, including a U.S. Have

1472
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:07,908
projected savings and or rate

1473
00:56:07,908 --> 00:56:08,576
decreases due to data center

1474
00:56:08,576 --> 00:56:10,576
load offsetting residential

1475
00:56:11,813 --> 00:56:12,614
customer burden. This project

1476
00:56:12,614 --> 00:56:14,549
will use both waterless

1477
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:16,284
cooling and a closed loop

1478
00:56:16,284 --> 00:56:18,118
system. This project at full

1479
00:56:18,118 --> 00:56:20,355
build out is proposed to use

1480
00:56:20,355 --> 00:56:21,889
less water. Then a single

1481
00:56:21,889 --> 00:56:23,889
restaurant. More information

1482
00:56:26,861 --> 00:56:27,862
can be found in tabs. 56 58.

1483
00:56:27,862 --> 00:56:29,197
The next side. You can see a

1484
00:56:29,197 --> 00:56:31,199
view of the Penske trail

1485
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,600
showing the berm and the

1486
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,536
landscaping on top of the berm

1487
00:56:34,536 --> 00:56:36,739
is a double staggered. Rove

1488
00:56:36,739 --> 00:56:37,705
evergreen trees. We've worked

1489
00:56:37,705 --> 00:56:38,673
closely with District

1490
00:56:38,673 --> 00:56:39,574
Councilor and other councilors

1491
00:56:39,574 --> 00:56:40,576
staff, the neighborhood on

1492
00:56:40,576 --> 00:56:41,476
additional commitments. We've

1493
00:56:41,476 --> 00:56:43,212
inspected the generators in

1494
00:56:43,212 --> 00:56:43,946
Atlanta and Birmingham on

1495
00:56:43,946 --> 00:56:46,946
every tour. The generators are

1496
00:56:47,783 --> 00:56:50,719
housed. And only run during

1497
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,452
outages are testing testing.

1498
00:56:51,452 --> 00:56:53,622
Times are consistent with what

1499
00:56:53,622 --> 00:56:54,856
staff requires. Only annual

1500
00:56:54,856 --> 00:56:55,791
know annual test during school

1501
00:56:55,791 --> 00:56:57,826
session. Dc boxes also

1502
00:56:57,826 --> 00:56:58,560
committed to using diesel

1503
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,195
particulate filters which kept

1504
00:56:59,195 --> 00:57:01,595
or 95% of the particulate

1505
00:57:03,332 --> 00:57:03,966
emissions. Epsilon expert

1506
00:57:03,966 --> 00:57:05,133
engineer is here with us

1507
00:57:05,133 --> 00:57:08,133
today. If you have questions,

1508
00:57:08,971 --> 00:57:09,672
we have 3 sound studies at

1509
00:57:09,672 --> 00:57:10,372
Thunderbird and the building

1510
00:57:10,372 --> 00:57:11,873
in Atlanta, which is the same

1511
00:57:11,873 --> 00:57:13,108
as building one. There's a

1512
00:57:13,108 --> 00:57:13,876
commitment for sound study

1513
00:57:13,876 --> 00:57:15,744
when the equipment is selected

1514
00:57:15,744 --> 00:57:17,613
to guarantee 65 db at the

1515
00:57:17,613 --> 00:57:19,682
property line. And we also

1516
00:57:19,682 --> 00:57:20,382
added a commitment to address

1517
00:57:20,382 --> 00:57:21,500
low frequency, which we know

1518
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:24,253
is important to a number of

1519
00:57:24,253 --> 00:57:25,487
commissioners. We've addressed

1520
00:57:25,487 --> 00:57:26,622
the lighting mitigation, the

1521
00:57:26,622 --> 00:57:29,220
closest residential home is

1522
00:57:30,426 --> 00:57:31,627
over 743 feet away. There's a

1523
00:57:31,627 --> 00:57:32,228
decommissioning plan per

1524
00:57:32,228 --> 00:57:34,228
counselor Nielsen's and

1525
00:57:35,598 --> 00:57:37,998
unnerving 10 request we've met

1526
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:39,340
last week with trail users in

1527
00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:41,737
a project supporter during who

1528
00:57:41,737 --> 00:57:43,772
has great ideas for pedestrian

1529
00:57:43,772 --> 00:57:45,441
connectivity. We thank her in

1530
00:57:45,441 --> 00:57:47,576
the community for bringing

1531
00:57:47,576 --> 00:57:49,545
project facts by knocking on

1532
00:57:49,545 --> 00:57:50,814
over 3,000 doors. Our list of

1533
00:57:50,814 --> 00:57:52,814
supporters he's seen

1534
00:57:52,948 --> 00:57:54,651
continuous growth through

1535
00:57:54,651 --> 00:57:56,319
education. Today, we're joined

1536
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:57,200
by supporters, neighbors that

1537
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,654
rates experts and members of

1538
00:57:58,654 --> 00:58:02,254
the project team, which can be

1539
00:58:03,860 --> 00:58:04,894
seen on the screen. To close

1540
00:58:04,894 --> 00:58:05,861
dc Blocks has made project

1541
00:58:05,861 --> 00:58:07,630
reductions they've committed

1542
00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:09,299
to pay for energy is a closed

1543
00:58:09,299 --> 00:58:10,200
loop system or water list

1544
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
system provide a significant

1545
00:58:12,903 --> 00:58:13,603
buffer. We've addressed sound

1546
00:58:13,603 --> 00:58:15,906
the plan of operation clearly

1547
00:58:15,906 --> 00:58:17,207
shows the intensity of this

1548
00:58:17,207 --> 00:58:18,909
proposed useful not be

1549
00:58:18,909 --> 00:58:20,877
increase compared to the

1550
00:58:20,877 --> 00:58:21,810
permitted uses. There will not

1551
00:58:21,810 --> 00:58:22,679
be a substantial deviation

1552
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,781
from care in the neighborhood

1553
00:58:24,781 --> 00:58:27,181
character than the permitted

1554
00:58:27,417 --> 00:58:28,852
uses. The property is uniquely

1555
00:58:28,852 --> 00:58:30,487
suited for high capacity

1556
00:58:30,487 --> 00:58:31,454
electric infrastructure due to

1557
00:58:31,454 --> 00:58:33,424
its proximity of the 2

1558
00:58:33,424 --> 00:58:35,824
facilities and the fiber

1559
00:58:36,359 --> 00:58:37,259
network strict application

1560
00:58:37,259 --> 00:58:38,328
creates an unusual or

1561
00:58:38,328 --> 00:58:39,620
unnecessary hardship because

1562
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:41,831
data centers are not expressly

1563
00:58:41,831 --> 00:58:43,900
permitted in any district

1564
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:44,601
under the zoning ordinance and

1565
00:58:44,601 --> 00:58:45,268
staff feedback. The proposed

1566
00:58:45,268 --> 00:58:46,603
data center cannot proceed

1567
00:58:46,603 --> 00:58:49,500
despite the fact that it's

1568
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,500
zone for medium industrial and

1569
00:58:52,876 --> 00:58:53,543
provides commitments. For

1570
00:58:53,543 --> 00:58:54,210
safeguards for the adjacent

1571
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:55,779
properties and the broader

1572
00:58:55,779 --> 00:58:56,780
community, the hardship arises

1573
00:58:56,780 --> 00:58:59,549
from the ordinance failure to

1574
00:58:59,549 --> 00:59:01,418
address the use, not from any

1575
00:59:01,418 --> 00:59:03,520
action of the current owner.

1576
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,322
Petitioner. Moreover, the

1577
00:59:05,322 --> 00:59:06,456
property has been vacant for

1578
00:59:06,456 --> 00:59:07,625
20 years. Strict enforcement

1579
00:59:07,625 --> 00:59:10,260
of the ordinance result in

1580
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:10,761
significant economic injury by

1581
00:59:10,761 --> 00:59:11,462
preventing development that is

1582
00:59:11,462 --> 00:59:13,764
otherwise appropriate for the

1583
00:59:13,764 --> 00:59:15,131
infrastructure and the zoning.

1584
00:59:15,131 --> 00:59:16,534
Our petition also aligns with

1585
00:59:16,534 --> 00:59:18,902
the comp plan and our entire

1586
00:59:18,902 --> 00:59:19,937
team is available for

1587
00:59:19,937 --> 00:59:22,380
questions. I would I should

1588
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:22,673
have made a note. The only

1589
00:59:22,673 --> 00:59:24,441
correction from the staff

1590
00:59:24,441 --> 00:59:27,441
report is we have increased

1591
00:59:27,511 --> 00:59:31,111
the jobs from 17 to 21. And so

1592
00:59:34,584 --> 00:59:35,453
that's an update. We time's

1593
00:59:35,453 --> 00:59:36,153
members of the commission

1594
00:59:36,153 --> 00:59:38,389
questions for the petitioner.

1595
00:59:38,389 --> 00:59:40,789
Plus. Councilor place that

1596
00:59:44,662 --> 00:59:47,398
podium. So I to question

1597
00:59:47,398 --> 00:59:50,398
counselor get go, did I

1598
00:59:51,302 --> 00:59:52,370
understand correctly said the

1599
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:52,737
distance from the protected

1600
00:59:52,737 --> 00:59:55,737
district or the school is

1601
00:59:56,474 --> 00:59:58,474
approximately 800 feet 117

1602
00:59:58,576 --> 00:59:59,277
feet from the building and

1603
00:59:59,277 --> 01:00:02,277
then the generator sit behind

1604
01:00:03,548 --> 01:00:04,115
that building. And then what

1605
01:00:04,115 --> 01:00:07,115
did you say about low

1606
01:00:08,219 --> 01:00:11,122
frequency? We if you look at.

1607
01:00:11,122 --> 01:00:13,122
35.

1608
01:00:21,365 --> 01:00:24,202
It and certain tab, 30 And

1609
01:00:24,202 --> 01:00:27,802
then if you go to Page 6.

1610
01:00:34,413 --> 01:00:37,413
Page, 3 of us, 11 under With

1611
01:00:37,416 --> 01:00:38,750
ups. So we did a sound study

1612
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:39,350
to get ambient sound, which is

1613
01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:42,350
in your binder for the

1614
01:00:43,187 --> 01:00:45,187
Thunderbird Commerce Center.

1615
01:00:45,257 --> 01:00:46,290
We also did Epsilon did a

1616
01:00:46,290 --> 01:00:47,693
review to make sure that when

1617
01:00:47,693 --> 01:00:50,229
we committed to our original

1618
01:00:50,229 --> 01:00:52,397
commit was still is 65 db at

1619
01:00:52,397 --> 01:00:53,731
the property line. We had ups

1620
01:00:53,731 --> 01:00:54,466
do a review of that. Not with

1621
01:00:54,466 --> 01:00:56,866
the specific specifications of

1622
01:00:58,136 --> 01:00:58,871
the equipment, but Ken 65 be

1623
01:00:58,871 --> 01:01:00,272
achieved. And so that's that's

1624
01:01:00,272 --> 01:01:01,139
study one. And that's in your

1625
01:01:01,139 --> 01:01:03,410
binder. Study to is the

1626
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:04,276
ambient noise from the

1627
01:01:04,276 --> 01:01:06,276
Thunderbird Commerce Center.

1628
01:01:06,411 --> 01:01:08,413
So we know what's happening

1629
01:01:08,413 --> 01:01:09,281
right now. Now as part of

1630
01:01:09,281 --> 01:01:10,650
discussion with the school and

1631
01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:13,500
and other community members

1632
01:01:14,386 --> 01:01:15,187
is, you know, what are they

1633
01:01:15,187 --> 01:01:15,888
hearing now and what will they

1634
01:01:15,888 --> 01:01:19,525
here in dc boxes here? So we

1635
01:01:19,525 --> 01:01:21,493
we did that say the 3rd study.

1636
01:01:21,493 --> 01:01:23,893
Was building. One is

1637
01:01:24,162 --> 01:01:24,863
operational in Atlanta East.

1638
01:01:24,863 --> 01:01:27,980
And so we did a study of that

1639
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:30,980
building. And provided that to

1640
01:01:31,703 --> 01:01:32,437
you as well. The force sound

1641
01:01:32,437 --> 01:01:36,370
study that will come after the

1642
01:01:37,509 --> 01:01:38,443
equipment is picked will be

1643
01:01:38,443 --> 01:01:40,460
specific to that equipment,

1644
01:01:40,460 --> 01:01:40,779
making sure that that

1645
01:01:40,779 --> 01:01:43,779
equipment is not producing any

1646
01:01:44,116 --> 01:01:46,719
sort of noise. That's louder

1647
01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:49,222
than 65 at the property line.

1648
01:01:49,222 --> 01:01:52,325
What we added to that study

1649
01:01:52,325 --> 01:01:54,325
was addressing low-frequency

1650
01:01:54,994 --> 01:01:55,961
noise. So I know when you all

1651
01:01:55,961 --> 01:01:58,300
discussed your guardrails, you

1652
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:01,300
had some discussions about a

1653
01:02:01,901 --> 01:02:04,700
specific number of dbc. The

1654
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,400
issue with that is the

1655
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,800
community's goals and dc block

1656
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,276
schools. Our to not have low

1657
01:02:10,276 --> 01:02:12,144
frequency. Be an issue, right?

1658
01:02:12,144 --> 01:02:12,979
No one wants to be to serve dc

1659
01:02:12,979 --> 01:02:13,646
boxes and want to disturb

1660
01:02:13,646 --> 01:02:14,347
anyone. The neighbors don't

1661
01:02:14,347 --> 01:02:15,140
want to be dysart's. We have

1662
01:02:15,140 --> 01:02:18,614
to find a way to accomplish

1663
01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:22,956
that. So the issue when you

1664
01:02:22,956 --> 01:02:23,656
you guys talked about that

1665
01:02:23,656 --> 01:02:25,758
variant, that Delta and what

1666
01:02:25,758 --> 01:02:28,758
happens at that Delta. The

1667
01:02:29,896 --> 01:02:33,990
issue is if you pick. A

1668
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:34,300
specific number Epsilon can

1669
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:35,000
come up to anything I say. I'm

1670
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,303
just a layperson when it come

1671
01:02:38,303 --> 01:02:40,273
when it comes to sound. We

1672
01:02:40,273 --> 01:02:42,408
didn't think that would

1673
01:02:42,408 --> 01:02:43,943
achieve Sagal. And so picking

1674
01:02:43,943 --> 01:02:44,611
a number wouldn't presume

1675
01:02:44,611 --> 01:02:45,879
produce the results that dc

1676
01:02:45,879 --> 01:02:48,879
Box once in the community

1677
01:02:49,415 --> 01:02:51,651
wants. But what can produce

1678
01:02:51,651 --> 01:02:52,819
that result is sound

1679
01:02:52,819 --> 01:02:53,453
engineering to address low

1680
01:02:53,453 --> 01:02:55,688
frequency. And so what we

1681
01:02:55,688 --> 01:02:58,688
committed to do first. Have

1682
01:03:01,795 --> 01:03:02,328
the sound study. Look at

1683
01:03:02,328 --> 01:03:03,496
low-frequency week.

1684
01:03:03,496 --> 01:03:05,896
Unpredicted off of those

1685
01:03:05,999 --> 01:03:07,133
specific equipment items and

1686
01:03:07,133 --> 01:03:09,169
make sure that it's designed

1687
01:03:09,169 --> 01:03:11,169
and engineered appropriately

1688
01:03:11,372 --> 01:03:13,240
not to cause low frequency

1689
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,375
issues. It's important to know

1690
01:03:14,375 --> 01:03:16,343
dc boxes built these

1691
01:03:16,343 --> 01:03:18,145
buildings. So we know they

1692
01:03:18,145 --> 01:03:18,879
haven't had any luck frequency

1693
01:03:18,879 --> 01:03:20,213
issues at their facilities. We

1694
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,982
don't want them to have any in

1695
01:03:21,982 --> 01:03:23,149
the future. And we know we can

1696
01:03:23,149 --> 01:03:25,149
accomplish this through

1697
01:03:25,819 --> 01:03:27,288
engineering, but we went one

1698
01:03:27,288 --> 01:03:28,255
step further. We said we'd

1699
01:03:28,255 --> 01:03:31,255
summit the message to the

1700
01:03:31,458 --> 01:03:32,126
administrator and then we also

1701
01:03:32,126 --> 01:03:35,126
went one step further than

1702
01:03:35,763 --> 01:03:37,731
that. And we. Said we would do

1703
01:03:37,731 --> 01:03:38,365
an annual tests which gets

1704
01:03:38,365 --> 01:03:39,766
submitted to the District

1705
01:03:39,766 --> 01:03:41,569
Councilor and the

1706
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:42,269
administrator. And so let's

1707
01:03:42,269 --> 01:03:44,669
say something funky happens

1708
01:03:45,973 --> 01:03:47,740
with the equipment in year 5.

1709
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:48,309
There's an annual test every

1710
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:51,478
year to make sure that that

1711
01:03:51,478 --> 01:03:53,480
low frequency is performing

1712
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,800
the way that it should in

1713
01:03:57,384 --> 01:03:59,687
relation to va dbc. So that

1714
01:03:59,687 --> 01:04:00,387
was the way we tackle that to

1715
01:04:00,387 --> 01:04:02,756
address community members. We

1716
01:04:02,756 --> 01:04:06,356
did get feedback there on file

1717
01:04:09,296 --> 01:04:11,165
with Kathleen one of the known

1718
01:04:11,165 --> 01:04:13,340
for Montz for data centers who

1719
01:04:13,340 --> 01:04:15,200
excellent work to get into

1720
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,380
these issues. Emailed us just

1721
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:17,738
yesterday and said she was

1722
01:04:17,738 --> 01:04:20,138
satisfied with our commitment

1723
01:04:21,108 --> 01:04:22,243
and our how we address

1724
01:04:22,243 --> 01:04:24,643
low-frequency here. And that's

1725
01:04:26,548 --> 01:04:30,619
the I I I I I not right that.

1726
01:04:30,619 --> 01:04:36,190
Yes, I e e I and then I and

1727
01:04:36,124 --> 01:04:36,758
then I I 3. Yeah. Other

1728
01:04:36,758 --> 01:04:37,359
questions. Members of the

1729
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:38,460
Commission Commissioner

1730
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:40,460
Wesley, everything yes,

1731
01:04:46,668 --> 01:04:50,268
please. And do In the report

1732
01:04:52,541 --> 01:04:55,541
in 62. Page, 2 of 3 at the

1733
01:04:55,944 --> 01:04:58,813
bottom. The conclusion is that

1734
01:04:58,813 --> 01:05:01,883
65 dba is realistic. As a goal

1735
01:05:01,883 --> 01:05:06,683
to be met and youth. So it is

1736
01:05:06,755 --> 01:05:09,755
much yes in your discussion.

1737
01:05:10,158 --> 01:05:12,158
Under 10, I'm 60. About

1738
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,640
halfway back. You go. Grants.

1739
01:05:22,404 --> 01:05:26,400
Db. Want access some times and

1740
01:05:29,211 --> 01:05:29,911
dates or the x axis. You've

1741
01:05:29,911 --> 01:05:32,911
published dba and bbc results

1742
01:05:34,383 --> 01:05:37,453
and others as well. Those are

1743
01:05:37,453 --> 01:05:38,287
from the Atlanta project. And

1744
01:05:38,287 --> 01:05:40,590
they do show that you're in

1745
01:05:40,590 --> 01:05:43,590
compliance there with a 65 db.

1746
01:05:44,927 --> 01:05:47,927
A. Limit. You're under that

1747
01:05:49,632 --> 01:05:52,632
limit. That's the red line.

1748
01:05:57,773 --> 01:05:58,474
The Line. Is the bc. And it

1749
01:05:58,474 --> 01:06:01,474
shows that you'd be under 80

1750
01:06:06,716 --> 01:06:07,250
db, a limit. And I understand

1751
01:06:07,250 --> 01:06:08,651
you're not going to

1752
01:06:08,651 --> 01:06:11,687
necessarily put a number to it

1753
01:06:11,687 --> 01:06:12,722
because it's just tricky was

1754
01:06:12,722 --> 01:06:13,890
bbc and it can be cite

1755
01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:14,557
specific or can be

1756
01:06:14,557 --> 01:06:16,557
resonant frequencies, Cree

1757
01:06:19,395 --> 01:06:20,129
both. But where the rubber

1758
01:06:20,129 --> 01:06:22,330
meets the road is and you said

1759
01:06:22,330 --> 01:06:24,100
it very well. You don't want

1760
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:24,867
to do something bad in the

1761
01:06:24,867 --> 01:06:25,501
neighborhood. Don't want to

1762
01:06:25,501 --> 01:06:27,104
have little effect in the

1763
01:06:27,104 --> 01:06:30,104
neighborhood. Would there be a

1764
01:06:31,274 --> 01:06:34,610
way? To describe a no result

1765
01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:37,610
and a remedy? In particular,

1766
01:06:38,381 --> 01:06:41,381
possibly with the school. And

1767
01:06:41,685 --> 01:06:43,719
have the number be a hidden To

1768
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:46,119
avoid any frivolous complaint.

1769
01:06:49,258 --> 01:06:51,128
Here's the idea. If the low

1770
01:06:51,128 --> 01:06:51,728
frequency but you're emitting

1771
01:06:51,728 --> 01:06:54,128
causes going causes any

1772
01:06:58,202 --> 01:06:59,690
complaint. With Steph?

1773
01:06:59,690 --> 01:06:59,769
Teachers, students at the

1774
01:06:59,769 --> 01:07:02,769
school of glasses rarely are.

1775
01:07:05,742 --> 01:07:07,770
Choppers are rattling. If it's

1776
01:07:07,770 --> 01:07:09,478
above a number, could be 85

1777
01:07:09,478 --> 01:07:10,714
dba some ceiling. Both things

1778
01:07:10,714 --> 01:07:14,314
were true. Then you'd be there

1779
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:16,787
to address it and probably the

1780
01:07:16,787 --> 01:07:17,454
best way to address that at

1781
01:07:17,454 --> 01:07:21,540
that point would be dirt or

1782
01:07:25,762 --> 01:07:26,463
concrete. At that location.

1783
01:07:26,463 --> 01:07:28,932
And we could even back up one

1784
01:07:28,932 --> 01:07:30,367
step and say, have you had to

1785
01:07:30,367 --> 01:07:32,536
comply with bbc requirements

1786
01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:33,370
in other parts of the country.

1787
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:37,570
Is this a thing going on in

1788
01:07:37,641 --> 01:07:38,842
other parts of the country?

1789
01:07:38,842 --> 01:07:40,911
Know the answer to that. Your

1790
01:07:40,911 --> 01:07:41,577
last question is no. And

1791
01:07:41,577 --> 01:07:45,150
that's why it took us some

1792
01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:45,717
time to work with Epsilon to

1793
01:07:45,717 --> 01:07:46,383
better understand kind of how

1794
01:07:46,383 --> 01:07:49,386
to measure this and try and

1795
01:07:49,386 --> 01:07:52,986
track the sun include can give

1796
01:07:53,624 --> 01:07:54,359
some comments. We were. Your

1797
01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:59,159
idea is one way to look at it,

1798
01:07:59,296 --> 01:08:00,298
we had looked at discrete

1799
01:08:00,298 --> 01:08:01,398
tones and other ways to

1800
01:08:01,398 --> 01:08:02,320
address it. And so that's why

1801
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,301
we made these commitments

1802
01:08:03,301 --> 01:08:06,301
because we think there are

1803
01:08:06,771 --> 01:08:08,706
multiple ways to address it.

1804
01:08:08,706 --> 01:08:12,306
Do I understand that you have

1805
01:08:14,478 --> 01:08:17,448
a specific Of a maybe just

1806
01:08:17,448 --> 01:08:18,383
wondering what can be offered.

1807
01:08:18,383 --> 01:08:21,383
To guard against a low

1808
01:08:33,531 --> 01:08:35,531
frequency problem.

1809
01:08:52,851 --> 01:08:53,651
And let you

1810
01:08:53,651 --> 01:08:56,588
hear from London in just

1811
01:08:56,588 --> 01:08:59,588
minute. If you have questions.

1812
01:09:01,250 --> 01:09:03,194
Your your point well taken. I

1813
01:09:03,194 --> 01:09:04,129
think what we could to to

1814
01:09:04,129 --> 01:09:06,432
address that is we so we right

1815
01:09:06,432 --> 01:09:09,334
now we have an annual sound

1816
01:09:09,334 --> 01:09:11,537
study which will done to

1817
01:09:11,537 --> 01:09:12,570
address and reported out. And

1818
01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:13,838
we're we're one of our

1819
01:09:13,838 --> 01:09:14,506
commitment is also a website

1820
01:09:14,506 --> 01:09:16,906
going forward, right? We've

1821
01:09:17,710 --> 01:09:18,643
been asked to keep our Web

1822
01:09:18,643 --> 01:09:20,579
site operational so that the

1823
01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:21,213
community can continue to find

1824
01:09:21,213 --> 01:09:24,115
documents not to go trace

1825
01:09:24,115 --> 01:09:26,515
chasing down everywhere. What

1826
01:09:26,785 --> 01:09:27,920
I think we could do to address

1827
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,920
your commitment is agree. If

1828
01:09:31,557 --> 01:09:32,258
we do get a complaint to do an

1829
01:09:32,258 --> 01:09:34,658
additional sound study within

1830
01:09:34,927 --> 01:09:38,527
so many. Days or months or

1831
01:09:39,164 --> 01:09:41,634
whatever. Want to cap that at

1832
01:09:41,634 --> 01:09:42,234
probably not more than 2 sound

1833
01:09:42,234 --> 01:09:42,868
studies per year. They

1834
01:09:42,868 --> 01:09:44,868
equipment's not changing,

1835
01:09:45,137 --> 01:09:49,108
right. And so what you find at

1836
01:09:49,108 --> 01:09:49,775
least twice a year you find

1837
01:09:49,775 --> 01:09:53,375
out. But I think that would

1838
01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:55,414
help guard against frivolous

1839
01:09:55,414 --> 01:09:56,810
complaints, but also

1840
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:59,810
reactionary to any sort of

1841
01:09:59,484 --> 01:10:00,920
concerns that we would see if

1842
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,720
it's that would satisfy your

1843
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,890
question. We'd be happy to

1844
01:10:04,890 --> 01:10:05,240
amend the commitments to add

1845
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:05,724
an additional sound say. The

1846
01:10:05,724 --> 01:10:09,324
other thing I would point out

1847
01:10:12,897 --> 01:10:13,566
is we've added that the war,

1848
01:10:13,566 --> 01:10:14,733
the District Councilor the

1849
01:10:14,733 --> 01:10:16,733
Warren Township Development

1850
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:18,837
Association and the Irvington

1851
01:10:18,837 --> 01:10:20,573
schools are enforcing bodies

1852
01:10:20,573 --> 01:10:21,241
in the commitments as well. So

1853
01:10:21,241 --> 01:10:23,641
we've given them additional

1854
01:10:27,513 --> 01:10:28,181
protections there as well.

1855
01:10:28,181 --> 01:10:28,881
With the same study include

1856
01:10:28,881 --> 01:10:32,481
the church such as we seeing

1857
01:10:36,220 --> 01:10:37,156
him. Temp 60. Please introduce

1858
01:10:37,156 --> 01:10:39,556
yourself, sir. Yeah, good

1859
01:10:40,993 --> 01:10:43,630
afternoon, Clints year. A lot

1860
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:43,797
to so see. It's from 3 Millon

1861
01:10:43,797 --> 01:10:45,797
main place suite 2.50,

1862
01:10:45,999 --> 01:10:47,999
Maynard, Massachusetts, 0, 1,

1863
01:10:48,235 --> 01:10:50,635
7, 5, 4, where you do sworn

1864
01:10:52,405 --> 01:10:53,173
in. Thank you for seeing. To

1865
01:10:53,173 --> 01:10:55,542
answer the question, the

1866
01:10:55,542 --> 01:10:56,243
details of how the

1867
01:10:56,243 --> 01:10:56,943
post-construction sound study

1868
01:10:56,943 --> 01:10:57,611
have not been ironed out yet,

1869
01:10:57,611 --> 01:11:00,611
but that's something that I

1870
01:11:02,249 --> 01:11:03,416
would work with dc blocks on

1871
01:11:03,416 --> 01:11:05,117
putting together. So depending

1872
01:11:05,117 --> 01:11:08,117
on how that studies conducted,

1873
01:11:08,822 --> 01:11:09,556
it would kind of impact what's

1874
01:11:09,556 --> 01:11:11,323
presented, for instance, if

1875
01:11:11,323 --> 01:11:14,323
the measurements are are short

1876
01:11:14,361 --> 01:11:15,495
in duration, we're unlikely to

1877
01:11:15,495 --> 01:11:16,530
present to a plot of that

1878
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:17,230
data. But if it's over a

1879
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:18,231
longer duration than it makes

1880
01:11:18,231 --> 01:11:18,965
more sense to show it as a

1881
01:11:18,965 --> 01:11:23,165
plot like you have in front of

1882
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:27,973
you. When you see duration,

1883
01:11:27,973 --> 01:11:28,642
you're not talking about the

1884
01:11:28,642 --> 01:11:31,111
fast or slow scale. You're

1885
01:11:31,111 --> 01:11:32,212
talking about over weeks or

1886
01:11:32,212 --> 01:11:34,612
months, correct. Time duration

1887
01:11:37,117 --> 01:11:37,784
of the South measurement.

1888
01:11:37,784 --> 01:11:39,784
Weather. That's 20 minutes.

1889
01:11:42,722 --> 01:11:44,391
One hour. Boys is not an exact

1890
01:11:44,391 --> 01:11:47,391
science just offering new be

1891
01:11:48,228 --> 01:11:48,930
able offer something take care

1892
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:49,664
of the school. I don't think

1893
01:11:49,664 --> 01:11:51,698
that's responsive, though. But

1894
01:11:51,698 --> 01:11:53,698
that's okay.

1895
01:12:00,841 --> 01:12:03,310
And please, thank you. We're

1896
01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:04,450
happy to offer the exact same

1897
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:06,848
study it. The methodology is

1898
01:12:06,848 --> 01:12:07,748
approved by the administrator.

1899
01:12:07,748 --> 01:12:08,449
And so we're happy to provide

1900
01:12:08,449 --> 01:12:11,449
the exact same state. That's

1901
01:12:11,953 --> 01:12:14,210
not an issue at all. Cancer.

1902
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:17,210
Please come back. So you're

1903
01:12:17,692 --> 01:12:18,359
going to make a commitment.

1904
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,728
Kathleen, that you're gonna

1905
01:12:20,728 --> 01:12:23,728
provide the study to staff?

1906
01:12:23,765 --> 01:12:24,966
Kathleen, you get with that's

1907
01:12:24,966 --> 01:12:27,468
that's in the commitments as

1908
01:12:27,468 --> 01:12:30,468
they right now. Yes, thank

1909
01:12:31,739 --> 01:12:32,740
Commissioner else. That's all

1910
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:34,542
for the moment. Thank you,

1911
01:12:34,542 --> 01:12:35,710
PRESIDENT On. Yes,

1912
01:12:35,710 --> 01:12:36,343
Commissioner Murray. I just

1913
01:12:36,343 --> 01:12:37,445
want clarify that on the

1914
01:12:37,445 --> 01:12:39,547
committee. You're going to

1915
01:12:39,547 --> 01:12:40,214
amplify that that you would

1916
01:12:40,214 --> 01:12:43,214
conduct a sound study upon

1917
01:12:45,620 --> 01:12:46,354
receipt of a complaint.

1918
01:12:46,354 --> 01:12:47,540
However, you would not conduct

1919
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:50,540
more than 2 sound studies per

1920
01:12:55,730 --> 01:12:58,730
annum. Yes, upon studies. Take

1921
01:13:00,302 --> 01:13:01,569
time. So we. We could commit

1922
01:13:01,569 --> 01:13:02,471
that upon a noise complaint,

1923
01:13:02,471 --> 01:13:06,710
we could have a sound study

1924
01:13:06,276 --> 01:13:07,910
back within 2 months and we

1925
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:08,643
would cap the number of annual

1926
01:13:08,643 --> 01:13:12,113
study Stone studies to no more

1927
01:13:12,113 --> 01:13:14,349
than 2 per year. And steps.

1928
01:13:14,349 --> 01:13:15,350
Make a note of that

1929
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:18,350
commitment. Yes, I am. Thank

1930
01:13:19,721 --> 01:13:20,855
you. Thank you. Commissioners.

1931
01:13:20,855 --> 01:13:22,855
Additional questions

1932
01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:25,961
yesterday. PRESIDENT Don't I

1933
01:13:25,961 --> 01:13:26,562
really appreciate the

1934
01:13:26,562 --> 01:13:28,562
conversation about the

1935
01:13:30,265 --> 01:13:32,401
decommissioning plan. I think

1936
01:13:32,401 --> 01:13:33,168
that was amiss in the form of

1937
01:13:33,168 --> 01:13:36,768
forward this the on plant that

1938
01:13:37,572 --> 01:13:38,407
was exhausted in 2007. In

1939
01:13:38,407 --> 01:13:41,407
addition to the plan, other

1940
01:13:41,442 --> 01:13:42,778
decommissioning plan dollars

1941
01:13:42,778 --> 01:13:45,181
that will be allocated towards

1942
01:13:45,181 --> 01:13:46,148
what happens if when distant

1943
01:13:46,148 --> 01:13:48,884
point in the future. Should

1944
01:13:48,884 --> 01:13:49,918
this project be successful

1945
01:13:49,918 --> 01:13:50,519
that the community wouldn't be

1946
01:13:50,519 --> 01:13:51,186
left with a shell of a

1947
01:13:51,186 --> 01:13:53,188
building like they were the

1948
01:13:53,188 --> 01:13:55,188
last time.

1949
01:14:02,464 --> 01:14:03,532
Commissioner. That's something

1950
01:14:03,532 --> 01:14:07,132
that we have have looked at.

1951
01:14:07,903 --> 01:14:10,639
There is. The land is

1952
01:14:10,639 --> 01:14:11,373
valuable. The building will be

1953
01:14:11,373 --> 01:14:13,773
after our decommissioning plan

1954
01:14:13,909 --> 01:14:16,678
is is executed. The building

1955
01:14:16,678 --> 01:14:17,746
would be left as a concrete

1956
01:14:17,746 --> 01:14:20,146
industrial shell, which also

1957
01:14:20,916 --> 01:14:23,852
would be valuable. We had some

1958
01:14:23,852 --> 01:14:25,540
direct feedback, some from

1959
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:27,757
some neighbors in in Irvington

1960
01:14:27,757 --> 01:14:28,458
that that agreed to that

1961
01:14:28,458 --> 01:14:32,580
they're asked in it. Take us

1962
01:14:32,395 --> 01:14:34,330
as far as demolition because

1963
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:37,901
of the value that that could

1964
01:14:37,901 --> 01:14:40,901
be maintained with that. And

1965
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:45,239
so not concerned

1966
01:14:51,446 --> 01:14:53,615
the impact. There's there's no

1967
01:14:53,615 --> 01:14:54,484
bond it. There's no Lake City

1968
01:14:54,484 --> 01:14:55,218
bond on this project as some

1969
01:14:55,218 --> 01:14:57,987
of the other concerns. I think

1970
01:14:57,987 --> 01:15:00,987
for other projects have then

1971
01:15:03,726 --> 01:15:06,726
we also did look into.

1972
01:15:06,763 --> 01:15:09,966
Specific bonds, we came to the

1973
01:15:09,966 --> 01:15:12,366
conclusion that this is

1974
01:15:12,402 --> 01:15:14,802
outside the norm for.

1975
01:15:17,307 --> 01:15:18,741
Industrial type projects and

1976
01:15:18,741 --> 01:15:20,410
that money is used for this

1977
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:21,678
purpose would be better served

1978
01:15:21,678 --> 01:15:22,312
in the indirectly in the

1979
01:15:22,312 --> 01:15:24,312
community, providing real

1980
01:15:24,747 --> 01:15:25,648
economic impact. There. I

1981
01:15:25,648 --> 01:15:26,717
mean, I think there's

1982
01:15:26,717 --> 01:15:27,750
something to be said for what

1983
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:29,687
happens in the present term.

1984
01:15:29,687 --> 01:15:32,790
But as we know, things are

1985
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:33,724
going to and people at one

1986
01:15:33,724 --> 01:15:34,424
point in time did never think

1987
01:15:34,424 --> 01:15:37,594
that we would make sell fewer

1988
01:15:37,594 --> 01:15:38,295
cars. But we do. And

1989
01:15:38,295 --> 01:15:40,164
therefore, the plant that was

1990
01:15:40,164 --> 01:15:41,198
there is no longer there. And

1991
01:15:41,198 --> 01:15:44,198
the building has sat vacant

1992
01:15:44,901 --> 01:15:46,270
for 25 years. So being that

1993
01:15:46,270 --> 01:15:48,272
things change removing already

1994
01:15:48,272 --> 01:15:50,400
fit fast enough into quantum

1995
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:51,341
computing and it's going to

1996
01:15:51,341 --> 01:15:52,900
change the nature of data

1997
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:54,712
centers as the existence of

1998
01:15:54,712 --> 01:15:55,613
there being planned. Now. So

1999
01:15:55,613 --> 01:15:58,130
I'm asking in the

2000
01:15:58,481 --> 01:15:59,583
decommissioning plan that

2001
01:15:59,583 --> 01:16:02,419
didn't happen before, which I

2002
01:16:02,419 --> 01:16:03,654
think is a really good step

2003
01:16:03,654 --> 01:16:04,355
forward. If there can be a

2004
01:16:04,355 --> 01:16:06,755
conversation of allocation of

2005
01:16:07,992 --> 01:16:08,792
dollars. So that if the

2006
01:16:08,792 --> 01:16:10,628
community is not left burdened

2007
01:16:10,628 --> 01:16:11,228
by something that it doesn't

2008
01:16:11,228 --> 01:16:14,828
use at any point in the

2009
01:16:25,776 --> 01:16:27,776
future.

2010
01:16:48,567 --> 01:16:50,340
Marked a sea. The sea

2011
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:50,702
blocks on the chief

2012
01:16:50,702 --> 01:16:52,702
development officer address

2013
01:16:55,273 --> 01:16:56,775
10, 40 Crown Point Plaza the

2014
01:16:56,775 --> 01:16:57,409
land letter, Georgia through

2015
01:16:57,409 --> 01:16:59,809
3, 3, 8, have even do the

2016
01:17:00,345 --> 01:17:01,546
think you go ahead. Yeah.

2017
01:17:01,546 --> 01:17:03,181
These are long-term assets.

2018
01:17:03,181 --> 01:17:03,815
These these buildings are

2019
01:17:03,815 --> 01:17:06,215
built a precast, concrete

2020
01:17:06,551 --> 01:17:07,552
insulated, precast concrete.

2021
01:17:07,552 --> 01:17:09,952
These have 8200 your life

2022
01:17:11,489 --> 01:17:12,190
spans for for the building. If

2023
01:17:12,190 --> 01:17:12,891
we were never if someone were

2024
01:17:12,891 --> 01:17:16,491
to ever been in this project

2025
01:17:18,196 --> 01:17:19,130
is likely won't be there. This

2026
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:21,130
building would serve.

2027
01:17:21,399 --> 01:17:22,100
Multitude of uses for

2028
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:24,100
additional manufacturing. In

2029
01:17:26,137 --> 01:17:26,805
addition, the successor.

2030
01:17:26,805 --> 01:17:27,372
Perhaps not want to pay

2031
01:17:27,372 --> 01:17:27,973
property taxes on the

2032
01:17:27,973 --> 01:17:30,373
structure so they would

2033
01:17:30,774 --> 01:17:31,443
probably demolish a building.

2034
01:17:31,443 --> 01:17:32,677
What we focused on a nerdy

2035
01:17:32,677 --> 01:17:33,345
commission was to remove any

2036
01:17:33,345 --> 01:17:35,345
contaminants, anything that

2037
01:17:36,648 --> 01:17:38,718
would harm the environment.

2038
01:17:38,718 --> 01:17:39,951
Batteries, fuel things of that

2039
01:17:39,951 --> 01:17:42,621
nature. But the structure is a

2040
01:17:42,621 --> 01:17:43,555
is is is a is a robust

2041
01:17:43,555 --> 01:17:45,190
structure that could serve a

2042
01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:47,590
multitude industrial uses for.

2043
01:17:50,462 --> 01:17:53,432
All of our lifetimes. Does

2044
01:17:53,432 --> 01:17:54,132
that help at all? I think what

2045
01:17:54,132 --> 01:17:54,833
the commissioners asking and

2046
01:17:54,833 --> 01:17:55,634
correct me I'm wrong, we want

2047
01:17:55,634 --> 01:17:58,634
a commitment that you're going

2048
01:18:00,505 --> 01:18:04,900
to budget. Budget in your in

2049
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:04,710
your ongoing pro forma in the

2050
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:06,770
event that this happens, that

2051
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:08,813
there's funds that we can see.

2052
01:18:08,813 --> 01:18:09,515
I think that's inappropriate.

2053
01:18:09,515 --> 01:18:13,115
Does that make sense to your

2054
01:18:15,754 --> 01:18:16,422
guests are inappropriate

2055
01:18:16,422 --> 01:18:17,890
commitment, counselor that

2056
01:18:17,890 --> 01:18:18,591
they need to make the staff

2057
01:18:18,591 --> 01:18:19,859
for for the environmental

2058
01:18:19,859 --> 01:18:20,593
abatement for the

2059
01:18:20,593 --> 01:18:21,294
environmental protections that

2060
01:18:21,294 --> 01:18:22,280
we're talking about. Is that

2061
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,628
correct? I just want make sure

2062
01:18:25,965 --> 01:18:28,167
we're not. Acts of the ladies

2063
01:18:28,167 --> 01:18:29,936
and gentleman. My question for

2064
01:18:29,936 --> 01:18:31,204
were and staff feel free to

2065
01:18:31,204 --> 01:18:33,839
comment this will be an

2066
01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:35,141
ongoing subject of

2067
01:18:35,141 --> 01:18:36,842
conversation. I'm sure But

2068
01:18:36,842 --> 01:18:37,977
again, back to the nature of

2069
01:18:37,977 --> 01:18:39,478
where the project is. It

2070
01:18:39,478 --> 01:18:40,246
already was an industrial

2071
01:18:40,246 --> 01:18:40,913
facility, but it had a life

2072
01:18:40,913 --> 01:18:43,349
span that they thought was

2073
01:18:43,349 --> 01:18:45,218
never going to end. And it

2074
01:18:45,218 --> 01:18:47,954
did. And it set vacant for 25

2075
01:18:47,954 --> 01:18:49,187
years being unproductive. It's

2076
01:18:49,187 --> 01:18:50,890
going to happen again.

2077
01:18:50,890 --> 01:18:51,691
Regardless of what the

2078
01:18:51,691 --> 01:18:54,600
building is made of. And so

2079
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:54,728
I'm asking just as much as we

2080
01:18:54,728 --> 01:18:56,728
prepare for infrastructure,

2081
01:18:57,797 --> 01:18:58,831
like training bridges and

2082
01:18:58,831 --> 01:18:59,899
railroad bridges and car

2083
01:18:59,899 --> 01:19:00,533
bridges that they don't last

2084
01:19:00,533 --> 01:19:01,868
forever. The city has to

2085
01:19:01,868 --> 01:19:03,269
budget dollars and the

2086
01:19:03,269 --> 01:19:03,936
PRESIDENT To make sure that

2087
01:19:03,936 --> 01:19:06,936
their dollars in the future

2088
01:19:06,939 --> 01:19:08,207
when the think laps. So I'm

2089
01:19:08,207 --> 01:19:10,477
asking what agreement can be

2090
01:19:10,477 --> 01:19:11,177
made now for structures like

2091
01:19:11,177 --> 01:19:12,478
this, because this is such a

2092
01:19:12,478 --> 01:19:13,113
new type of project and we

2093
01:19:13,113 --> 01:19:16,113
know things are going to

2094
01:19:24,757 --> 01:19:25,391
change. We'll agree to budget

2095
01:19:25,391 --> 01:19:26,126
annual reserves for that

2096
01:19:26,126 --> 01:19:29,726
purpose reduce it to a written

2097
01:19:33,233 --> 01:19:35,633
commitment. Kathleen, you got

2098
01:19:37,237 --> 01:19:37,871
Commissioner. Yeah, that I

2099
01:19:37,871 --> 01:19:38,839
think I think you present

2100
01:19:38,839 --> 01:19:39,606
don't I've a question on that.

2101
01:19:39,606 --> 01:19:42,600
Just smile Murphy, Michael

2102
01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:45,212
medications answer from a

2103
01:19:45,212 --> 01:19:46,413
construction standpoint. These

2104
01:19:46,413 --> 01:19:49,249
structures are some are told

2105
01:19:49,249 --> 01:19:51,552
concrete panel similar too.

2106
01:19:51,552 --> 01:19:52,850
And Amazon Distribution Center

2107
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:54,850
warehouse in their

2108
01:19:55,689 --> 01:19:57,356
construction. That correct?

2109
01:19:57,356 --> 01:19:58,725
These would all likely be the

2110
01:19:58,725 --> 01:20:00,725
precast panels, structural

2111
01:20:02,529 --> 01:20:03,764
precast panels with

2112
01:20:03,764 --> 01:20:05,465
insulation. So even superior

2113
01:20:05,465 --> 01:20:06,600
tilt up a situation, ok? That

2114
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,000
generally similar to those

2115
01:20:10,837 --> 01:20:11,572
type of distribution center

2116
01:20:11,572 --> 01:20:12,272
where houses much more robust,

2117
01:20:12,272 --> 01:20:13,674
so much that robotics for the

2118
01:20:13,674 --> 01:20:14,408
security for the environment,

2119
01:20:14,408 --> 01:20:15,543
containment, for the for the

2120
01:20:15,543 --> 01:20:17,377
for the efficiency of the

2121
01:20:17,377 --> 01:20:18,111
building. And we have dozens,

2122
01:20:18,111 --> 01:20:19,313
if not, maybe hundreds of such

2123
01:20:19,313 --> 01:20:22,313
structures in Marion County, I

2124
01:20:26,530 --> 01:20:26,787
believe. I'm asking staff. We

2125
01:20:26,787 --> 01:20:27,421
require a decommissioning plan

2126
01:20:27,421 --> 01:20:30,421
of all of those warehouse

2127
01:20:31,291 --> 01:20:33,691
structures in Marin County.

2128
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:34,796
I'm I'm not aware of

2129
01:20:34,796 --> 01:20:36,129
decommissioning All those. I'm

2130
01:20:36,129 --> 01:20:39,129
not either not confident we

2131
01:20:39,299 --> 01:20:40,702
don't. And so I appreciate

2132
01:20:40,702 --> 01:20:43,360
your offer and it will put in

2133
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,360
the record. I understand your

2134
01:20:47,208 --> 01:20:47,909
point that. Planning to tear

2135
01:20:47,909 --> 01:20:48,576
these down doesn't make a lot

2136
01:20:48,576 --> 01:20:50,845
of sense. However, funding

2137
01:20:50,845 --> 01:20:53,245
that. He's maybe not

2138
01:20:56,484 --> 01:20:57,118
unreasonable. Thank you.

2139
01:20:57,118 --> 01:20:59,118
Additional questions from

2140
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:05,792
members of the commission.

2141
01:21:05,792 --> 01:21:08,960
Thank you. Please be prepared

2142
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:08,763
for your 5 minute rebuttal.

2143
01:21:08,763 --> 01:21:11,763
With a reminds traders come

2144
01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:14,969
forward. And I have a

2145
01:21:14,969 --> 01:21:17,369
question. Where is Alexander

2146
01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:21,342
from IPs? My name is

2147
01:21:21,342 --> 01:21:23,411
Alexandra. In tourney at 85

2148
01:21:23,411 --> 01:21:26,411
10, every mother was and are.

2149
01:21:27,715 --> 01:21:28,650
She left? Would you please let

2150
01:21:28,650 --> 01:21:29,417
her know that? I asked for to

2151
01:21:29,417 --> 01:21:30,117
come up as on straighter

2152
01:21:30,117 --> 01:21:32,200
because I wanted to hear what

2153
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,220
she had to say. In the reminds

2154
01:21:36,691 --> 01:21:37,392
training period. Didn't know

2155
01:21:37,392 --> 01:21:38,693
her points. I don't know her.

2156
01:21:38,693 --> 01:21:41,163
But if I see, I absolutely

2157
01:21:41,163 --> 01:21:42,960
will. Thank you very much.

2158
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,332
Honors. I do appreciate your

2159
01:21:44,332 --> 01:21:44,999
time. I'm not members of the

2160
01:21:44,999 --> 01:21:46,869
on stretchers. You have 15

2161
01:21:46,869 --> 01:21:49,269
minutes. Your honors. I

2162
01:21:50,672 --> 01:21:52,307
introduce yourself. My name is

2163
01:21:52,307 --> 01:21:52,975
Alexandra Kurland. I represent

2164
01:21:52,975 --> 01:21:55,975
a community schools and you

2165
01:21:56,178 --> 01:21:56,878
have been sworn in and your

2166
01:21:56,878 --> 01:21:58,213
honor. I have not been sworn

2167
01:21:58,213 --> 01:21:59,315
in because I am not going to

2168
01:21:59,315 --> 01:21:59,949
talk. I'm going to introduce

2169
01:21:59,949 --> 01:22:01,115
the board members who are

2170
01:22:01,115 --> 01:22:01,850
going to talk as they are the

2171
01:22:01,850 --> 01:22:03,185
ones who live in the Irvington

2172
01:22:03,185 --> 01:22:06,121
Conchita and sworn in I think

2173
01:22:06,121 --> 01:22:07,455
you please and it is. So I'm

2174
01:22:07,455 --> 01:22:09,910
going to introduce Heather,

2175
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:11,493
Audrey Nancy do set the clock.

2176
01:22:11,493 --> 01:22:14,163
Please. If she's going, she's

2177
01:22:14,163 --> 01:22:14,897
the board of PRESIDENT Of the

2178
01:22:14,897 --> 01:22:16,832
board and then on Frida and as

2179
01:22:16,832 --> 01:22:17,498
well as Eric Serrano, who are

2180
01:22:17,498 --> 01:22:18,200
3 board members who live in

2181
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,869
Irvington. And we're going to

2182
01:22:20,869 --> 01:22:21,604
talk to say thank you. Each

2183
01:22:21,604 --> 01:22:22,271
individual, introduce yourself

2184
01:22:22,271 --> 01:22:25,271
and still many you've been

2185
01:22:26,241 --> 01:22:28,900
sworn in. Good afternoon,

2186
01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:29,111
commissioners. My name is

2187
01:22:29,111 --> 01:22:29,845
Heather Rodriguez. I am the

2188
01:22:29,845 --> 01:22:30,546
board chair for every 10

2189
01:22:30,546 --> 01:22:33,546
community schools and I have

2190
01:22:34,483 --> 01:22:35,149
been sworn in. Thank you. If

2191
01:22:35,149 --> 01:22:37,549
you're what's your address?

2192
01:22:40,489 --> 01:22:42,889
Heather? Our address, but

2193
01:22:43,192 --> 01:22:43,926
sorry is 57 51 East University

2194
01:22:43,926 --> 01:22:45,926
Avenue, Indianapolis, Indiana,

2195
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:50,332
for 60. When go. Thank you. I

2196
01:22:50,332 --> 01:22:52,201
as mentioned I have to my

2197
01:22:52,201 --> 01:22:53,602
colleagues who will be

2198
01:22:53,602 --> 01:22:54,203
speaking along with Our

2199
01:22:54,203 --> 01:22:55,672
elementary schools said

2200
01:22:55,672 --> 01:22:56,473
immediately next to the

2201
01:22:56,473 --> 01:22:59,473
property that dc Blocks is

2202
01:23:00,276 --> 01:23:01,100
asking to develop our

2203
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:01,710
students. Our families and our

2204
01:23:01,710 --> 01:23:04,110
staff are the closest

2205
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:05,514
neighbors. This project has

2206
01:23:05,514 --> 01:23:07,914
Irvington Community schools is

2207
01:23:09,151 --> 01:23:09,985
the appellate here. We filed

2208
01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:12,555
our uphill on time and our

2209
01:23:12,555 --> 01:23:13,422
position has not changed. I

2210
01:23:13,422 --> 01:23:15,291
also want to be direct about

2211
01:23:15,291 --> 01:23:18,195
something that is public as

2212
01:23:18,195 --> 01:23:20,195
mentioned already today,

2213
01:23:20,230 --> 01:23:21,498
members of our board and

2214
01:23:21,498 --> 01:23:23,898
leadership recently toured ec

2215
01:23:24,367 --> 01:23:25,101
boxes, Atlanta facility. That

2216
01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:28,101
was a fact-finding mission and

2217
01:23:28,405 --> 01:23:29,500
nothing else. We accepted no

2218
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:32,500
funds, no guests and no

2219
01:23:32,809 --> 01:23:33,710
promises of any kind. It was

2220
01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:34,411
not an endorsement being

2221
01:23:34,411 --> 01:23:38,110
informed as part of our duty

2222
01:23:38,248 --> 01:23:40,449
to our students. The building

2223
01:23:40,449 --> 01:23:41,117
I see us all was only 30%

2224
01:23:41,117 --> 01:23:41,751
complete. The construction

2225
01:23:41,751 --> 01:23:43,753
included drilling into a

2226
01:23:43,753 --> 01:23:46,289
mountain that was so loud that

2227
01:23:46,289 --> 01:23:48,525
even the generators could not

2228
01:23:48,525 --> 01:23:50,994
be heard. Even the ICs went to

2229
01:23:50,994 --> 01:23:51,695
Atlanta. We were unable to

2230
01:23:51,695 --> 01:23:54,950
discover any meaningful facts

2231
01:23:55,332 --> 01:23:56,320
during that trip. What what we

2232
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,702
ask the commission to hold on

2233
01:23:58,702 --> 01:24:01,404
to is this that burden and a

2234
01:24:01,404 --> 01:24:02,380
use variance is not on us. It

2235
01:24:02,380 --> 01:24:06,209
is on dc blocks and it is

2236
01:24:06,209 --> 01:24:06,877
heavy. My colleagues will walk

2237
01:24:06,877 --> 01:24:09,277
through the 5 findings. The

2238
01:24:09,713 --> 01:24:12,713
applicant must approve and why

2239
01:24:14,851 --> 01:24:15,619
on this record, it cannot.

2240
01:24:15,619 --> 01:24:16,253
Please introduce yourself your

2241
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:17,587
address and have you been

2242
01:24:17,587 --> 01:24:20,587
sworn? And then a certain

2243
01:24:23,193 --> 01:24:25,328
place. Ericsson around. Sir,

2244
01:24:25,328 --> 01:24:27,630
my name is Eric Serrano. I

2245
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:28,398
have been sworn my under says

2246
01:24:28,398 --> 01:24:30,398
51st 7.51 East University

2247
01:24:32,536 --> 01:24:34,472
Avenue going to be Is a

2248
01:24:34,472 --> 01:24:35,572
mention my name is Eric

2249
01:24:35,572 --> 01:24:36,239
Serrano. I'm a member of the

2250
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:36,941
Irvington community and the

2251
01:24:36,941 --> 01:24:38,475
chief information officer of

2252
01:24:38,475 --> 01:24:40,710
the Jane Pauley Community

2253
01:24:40,710 --> 01:24:41,745
Health Center located on the

2254
01:24:41,745 --> 01:24:42,847
East side of Indianapolis Step

2255
01:24:42,847 --> 01:24:44,881
provides care to over 60,000

2256
01:24:44,881 --> 01:24:46,250
local residents, mostly

2257
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:46,884
children and a member of

2258
01:24:46,884 --> 01:24:48,884
government and community

2259
01:24:50,521 --> 01:24:51,188
Schools Board of Governors.

2260
01:24:51,188 --> 01:24:51,888
Want to start the standard

2261
01:24:51,888 --> 01:24:53,624
because it frames everything.

2262
01:24:53,624 --> 01:24:54,959
State law does not ask. But

2263
01:24:54,959 --> 01:24:56,727
this project improves the site

2264
01:24:56,727 --> 01:24:57,428
or whether it is a nicer than

2265
01:24:57,428 --> 01:24:58,162
a warehouse to grant a

2266
01:24:58,162 --> 01:25:00,198
variance. The commission fined

2267
01:25:00,198 --> 01:25:01,499
in writing that dc boxes all

2268
01:25:01,499 --> 01:25:03,899
5, the required findings. The

2269
01:25:04,135 --> 01:25:05,168
burns entirely an applicant.

2270
01:25:05,168 --> 01:25:05,903
And if even one fighting feels

2271
01:25:05,903 --> 01:25:06,871
the variance cannot and should

2272
01:25:06,871 --> 01:25:10,471
not be granted, I address the

2273
01:25:10,942 --> 01:25:11,642
first 2. Want to be fair, but

2274
01:25:11,642 --> 01:25:12,276
what has changed because you

2275
01:25:12,276 --> 01:25:13,811
are here and have heard a

2276
01:25:13,811 --> 01:25:15,213
great deal about in the last 2

2277
01:25:15,213 --> 01:25:16,714
weeks. The applicant reduced

2278
01:25:16,714 --> 01:25:18,140
their plan from 3 buildings

2279
01:25:18,140 --> 01:25:19,584
after 2, they brought the

2280
01:25:19,584 --> 01:25:21,685
power usage down from 78 to 15

2281
01:25:21,685 --> 01:25:24,589
and for the first time mention

2282
01:25:24,589 --> 01:25:26,224
the school at all. Those are

2283
01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:26,891
real changes and we won't

2284
01:25:26,891 --> 01:25:28,826
dismiss them. But a smaller

2285
01:25:28,826 --> 01:25:29,527
version of the wrong use in

2286
01:25:29,527 --> 01:25:32,527
the wrong proceeding is still

2287
01:25:32,563 --> 01:25:33,297
the wrong thing. And none of

2288
01:25:33,297 --> 01:25:33,998
these changes answers findings

2289
01:25:33,998 --> 01:25:34,699
that the law actually

2290
01:25:34,699 --> 01:25:37,699
requires. That's what I want

2291
01:25:38,303 --> 01:25:39,470
to show you. Finding one state

2292
01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:41,172
of the use will not be

2293
01:25:41,172 --> 01:25:41,873
injurious to public health and

2294
01:25:41,873 --> 01:25:42,573
safety. The applicant cannot

2295
01:25:42,573 --> 01:25:43,708
show that and the record its

2296
01:25:43,708 --> 01:25:44,442
officers. You why start with

2297
01:25:44,442 --> 01:25:47,442
the noise that we've discussed

2298
01:25:48,450 --> 01:25:49,814
today. The sound study in the

2299
01:25:49,814 --> 01:25:50,848
record is one of 10 megawatt

2300
01:25:50,848 --> 01:25:51,482
building in Atlanta. One 5th,

2301
01:25:51,482 --> 01:25:54,850
the time the size of the

2302
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:54,785
proposed site in Indianapolis.

2303
01:25:54,785 --> 01:25:56,153
That study does not tell you

2304
01:25:56,153 --> 01:25:58,289
what will happen next or

2305
01:25:58,289 --> 01:25:58,890
school. It is the same

2306
01:25:58,890 --> 01:25:59,691
undersized comparison.

2307
01:25:59,691 --> 01:26:00,358
Applicant used as its

2308
01:26:00,358 --> 01:26:02,358
Huntsville facility, which

2309
01:26:02,628 --> 01:26:05,280
they open art conversations

2310
01:26:05,464 --> 01:26:06,164
with. And again, just

2311
01:26:06,164 --> 01:26:08,164
incomparable comparisons that

2312
01:26:10,335 --> 01:26:11,680
they're trying to make.

2313
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:11,904
Applicant now points to a berm

2314
01:26:11,904 --> 01:26:12,638
to landscaping, to placing

2315
01:26:12,638 --> 01:26:14,940
building to between itself and

2316
01:26:14,940 --> 01:26:15,741
the generators in the school.

2317
01:26:15,741 --> 01:26:16,408
But the noise that matters

2318
01:26:16,408 --> 01:26:19,408
here is low frequency noise

2319
01:26:19,978 --> 01:26:20,645
and the low frequency noise is

2320
01:26:20,645 --> 01:26:23,450
not meaningfully stopped by

2321
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:24,182
trees or building wall, a

2322
01:26:24,182 --> 01:26:26,751
rebuttal in the second in the

2323
01:26:26,751 --> 01:26:27,486
record explains exactly why.

2324
01:26:27,486 --> 01:26:30,486
And the 65 just perfect that's

2325
01:26:30,489 --> 01:26:31,189
been discussed today, measured

2326
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:34,193
at the property line has not

2327
01:26:34,193 --> 01:26:34,927
been independently verified.

2328
01:26:34,927 --> 01:26:35,894
When we asked we've also asked

2329
01:26:35,894 --> 01:26:37,696
for the operating loss of the

2330
01:26:37,696 --> 01:26:40,232
generators to know how often

2331
01:26:40,232 --> 01:26:41,990
their run and if they're only

2332
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:42,534
run during emergency use, we

2333
01:26:42,534 --> 01:26:45,534
were not provided those logs

2334
01:26:45,837 --> 01:26:46,506
at all. You just heard minutes

2335
01:26:46,506 --> 01:26:47,106
ago, they're asking you to

2336
01:26:47,106 --> 01:26:47,839
take all of the noise,

2337
01:26:47,839 --> 01:26:50,109
commitments on faith and faith

2338
01:26:50,109 --> 01:26:50,776
alone. The harm is also

2339
01:26:50,776 --> 01:26:51,476
understated because nothing

2340
01:26:51,476 --> 01:26:53,278
actually limits how the site

2341
01:26:53,278 --> 01:26:55,847
will be run. You've heard of

2342
01:26:55,847 --> 01:26:57,882
Co multiple times edge note

2343
01:26:57,882 --> 01:26:59,510
facility that's marketing

2344
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:59,751
labels. That's nothing. That

2345
01:26:59,751 --> 01:27:00,452
doesn't mean anything that

2346
01:27:00,452 --> 01:27:02,852
doesn't restrict anything or

2347
01:27:03,822 --> 01:27:04,488
any use for the facility.

2348
01:27:04,488 --> 01:27:05,190
There's no to restrict how

2349
01:27:05,190 --> 01:27:05,924
these 86 will operate without

2350
01:27:05,924 --> 01:27:07,326
restricting the resources that

2351
01:27:07,326 --> 01:27:09,962
they require to operate and to

2352
01:27:09,962 --> 01:27:11,960
fix. This is very simple. We

2353
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:12,831
can cap the site at 15

2354
01:27:12,831 --> 01:27:14,900
megawatts and limit the power

2355
01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:16,603
to any individual rocket. 15

2356
01:27:16,603 --> 01:27:17,302
kilowatts. Most importantly,

2357
01:27:17,302 --> 01:27:20,206
those restrictions and to be

2358
01:27:20,206 --> 01:27:21,373
written in the commitments.

2359
01:27:21,373 --> 01:27:22,475
Then we talk about the

2360
01:27:22,475 --> 01:27:24,875
generators even down to 31

2361
01:27:25,177 --> 01:27:28,177
after the proposed 55 or so

2362
01:27:29,115 --> 01:27:29,782
diesel generators the

2363
01:27:29,782 --> 01:27:30,515
commitments now worry that

2364
01:27:30,515 --> 01:27:32,850
they're only allowed to use in

2365
01:27:32,850 --> 01:27:32,752
an emergency use, but that

2366
01:27:32,752 --> 01:27:35,152
emergencies is not clearly

2367
01:27:39,626 --> 01:27:41,461
defined. The way it reads.

2368
01:27:41,461 --> 01:27:42,161
Now, nothing stops from

2369
01:27:42,161 --> 01:27:45,640
running during school day to

2370
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:45,931
relieve great stress for

2371
01:27:45,931 --> 01:27:46,633
financial gain. Demand

2372
01:27:46,633 --> 01:27:47,634
response, a peak shaving load

2373
01:27:47,634 --> 01:27:51,234
shutting with I a s that

2374
01:27:51,237 --> 01:27:51,871
loophole must be close to an

2375
01:27:51,871 --> 01:27:54,700
emergency must mean an

2376
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:55,842
unplanned last of utility

2377
01:27:55,842 --> 01:27:56,442
power and running for economic

2378
01:27:56,442 --> 01:27:58,842
dispatch must be flatly

2379
01:27:58,878 --> 01:28:00,113
prohibited in the commitments

2380
01:28:00,113 --> 01:28:01,470
and underneath all of it, this

2381
01:28:01,470 --> 01:28:02,649
person is a former for plant

2382
01:28:02,649 --> 01:28:03,316
with documented arsenic and

2383
01:28:03,316 --> 01:28:05,184
thallium contamination and

2384
01:28:05,184 --> 01:28:05,919
under state environmental

2385
01:28:05,919 --> 01:28:08,319
covenant and existing recorded

2386
01:28:08,987 --> 01:28:09,722
condition. And the

2387
01:28:09,722 --> 01:28:10,890
construction will disturb that

2388
01:28:10,890 --> 01:28:12,580
soil right next to the

2389
01:28:12,580 --> 01:28:12,992
children. A record like that

2390
01:28:12,992 --> 01:28:16,592
is the opposite of a clean

2391
01:28:17,530 --> 01:28:18,231
showing on health and safety.

2392
01:28:18,231 --> 01:28:19,640
Finding 2 states that use and

2393
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:19,666
value the adjacent area will

2394
01:28:19,666 --> 01:28:22,660
not be substantially or

2395
01:28:23,203 --> 01:28:23,903
adversely affect him. The

2396
01:28:23,903 --> 01:28:24,604
recommendation reviewing came

2397
01:28:24,604 --> 01:28:28,308
out of a record that did not

2398
01:28:28,308 --> 01:28:29,800
account for our school at all.

2399
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:29,609
Neither the staff report nor

2400
01:28:29,609 --> 01:28:31,609
the hearing examiner's

2401
01:28:33,346 --> 01:28:34,181
findings mention it one time.

2402
01:28:34,181 --> 01:28:35,848
In the last 2 weeks, the

2403
01:28:35,848 --> 01:28:37,451
applicant has moved building

2404
01:28:37,451 --> 01:28:38,451
to back estimated an added

2405
01:28:38,451 --> 01:28:40,851
setback of roughly 280 feet

2406
01:28:42,222 --> 01:28:42,956
and welcome mat and but that

2407
01:28:42,956 --> 01:28:44,325
setback is only estimate. It's

2408
01:28:44,325 --> 01:28:46,590
not confirmed the writing not

2409
01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:46,760
recorded and Africans

2410
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,595
conclusion that the site will

2411
01:28:48,595 --> 01:28:50,597
not be a nuisance rests on the

2412
01:28:50,597 --> 01:28:51,232
same unverified, probably

2413
01:28:51,232 --> 01:28:53,632
look. Property line noise

2414
01:28:55,768 --> 01:28:57,204
figures presented. 11th hour

2415
01:28:57,204 --> 01:28:57,838
gesture toward the school does

2416
01:28:57,838 --> 01:29:00,600
not prove the absence of

2417
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,675
adverse effect. If anything,

2418
01:29:01,675 --> 01:29:02,409
it concedes that the effect on

2419
01:29:02,409 --> 01:29:03,577
the school was never seriously

2420
01:29:03,577 --> 01:29:04,411
measured in the first place

2421
01:29:04,411 --> 01:29:07,181
earlier this week in a meeting

2422
01:29:07,181 --> 01:29:08,415
with our school leaders, dc

2423
01:29:08,415 --> 01:29:09,830
Box even admitted that are

2424
01:29:09,830 --> 01:29:09,783
relevant. Sound study could

2425
01:29:09,783 --> 01:29:12,186
not be completed before they

2426
01:29:12,186 --> 01:29:13,386
want to break ground. I like

2427
01:29:13,386 --> 01:29:13,988
to reiterate our ask for

2428
01:29:13,988 --> 01:29:15,456
continuance due to the

2429
01:29:15,456 --> 01:29:16,457
continued evolution of this

2430
01:29:16,457 --> 01:29:18,492
project practically by the

2431
01:29:18,492 --> 01:29:19,226
hour, I've covered to findings

2432
01:29:19,226 --> 01:29:20,895
both of which fail on the face

2433
01:29:20,895 --> 01:29:22,897
of the record. My colleague

2434
01:29:22,897 --> 01:29:23,596
will take part of the other 3

2435
01:29:23,596 --> 01:29:26,596
and that's where it continues

2436
01:29:27,340 --> 01:29:27,701
to fall part. Thank you. Thank

2437
01:29:27,701 --> 01:29:28,402
you, Eric. Please introduce

2438
01:29:28,402 --> 01:29:31,402
yourself address and have you

2439
01:29:32,773 --> 01:29:34,608
got for. My name. Is Madison

2440
01:29:34,608 --> 01:29:35,242
Mon-fri to the address is 5,

2441
01:29:35,242 --> 01:29:37,242
7, 5, one East University

2442
01:29:39,847 --> 01:29:40,581
Avenue not been sworn in. Good

2443
01:29:40,581 --> 01:29:42,883
afternoon. Commissioners, as I

2444
01:29:42,883 --> 01:29:43,551
said, my name is on Freedom,

2445
01:29:43,551 --> 01:29:44,218
alumni of the school. And I

2446
01:29:44,218 --> 01:29:44,919
also on the board. So I'll

2447
01:29:44,919 --> 01:29:47,788
take the last 3 findings, as

2448
01:29:47,788 --> 01:29:49,123
my colleague said, funding 3

2449
01:29:49,123 --> 01:29:51,125
money for the variance arises

2450
01:29:51,125 --> 01:29:52,493
from a condition killer to the

2451
01:29:52,493 --> 01:29:53,194
properties of the law means a

2452
01:29:53,194 --> 01:29:54,762
condition of the land itself.

2453
01:29:54,762 --> 01:29:55,529
So we're talking shape size,

2454
01:29:55,529 --> 01:29:56,230
typography. Not what the

2455
01:29:56,230 --> 01:29:59,830
business want to be built on

2456
01:30:00,768 --> 01:30:02,770
it. Bloc's does not need does

2457
01:30:02,770 --> 01:30:04,838
not come from dc blocks needs

2458
01:30:04,838 --> 01:30:06,173
do not come from any part to

2459
01:30:06,173 --> 01:30:06,908
keep anything killer about.

2460
01:30:06,908 --> 01:30:07,908
This parcel comes from its own

2461
01:30:07,908 --> 01:30:08,642
business plan. What the data

2462
01:30:08,642 --> 01:30:11,420
center site, there's a

2463
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,582
hardship of the land. One

2464
01:30:13,582 --> 01:30:14,482
thing that truly killer about

2465
01:30:14,482 --> 01:30:15,183
this property that it's

2466
01:30:15,183 --> 01:30:17,183
contaminated. Former factory

2467
01:30:17,652 --> 01:30:18,420
and environmental covenant is

2468
01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:19,530
reason to be more careful

2469
01:30:19,530 --> 01:30:19,720
about sensitive developed

2470
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,824
here. Not a reason to grant

2471
01:30:22,824 --> 01:30:23,592
it. Funding for strict

2472
01:30:23,592 --> 01:30:25,992
application of the ordinance

2473
01:30:26,394 --> 01:30:27,796
should be unnecessary

2474
01:30:27,796 --> 01:30:28,530
hardship, weight, Let go back

2475
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:31,530
Russia. Lyle. You talked about

2476
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:33,702
the commission plan. Dc when

2477
01:30:33,702 --> 01:30:34,369
we were in Atlanta, we heard

2478
01:30:34,369 --> 01:30:35,360
that these buildings would

2479
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,872
last 50 years and now we're

2480
01:30:37,872 --> 01:30:40,375
being told 8200. So as my

2481
01:30:40,375 --> 01:30:40,976
colleague said, these these

2482
01:30:40,976 --> 01:30:42,976
information points are

2483
01:30:45,413 --> 01:30:46,810
changing by minute. So funding

2484
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:46,649
for stirred up Haitian the

2485
01:30:46,649 --> 01:30:47,616
ordinance would be an

2486
01:30:47,616 --> 01:30:49,616
unnecessary hardship. There's

2487
01:30:50,785 --> 01:30:51,485
no unnecessary hardship lands

2488
01:30:51,485 --> 01:30:52,888
already. Zoned industrial has

2489
01:30:52,888 --> 01:30:54,623
many permitted uses available

2490
01:30:54,623 --> 01:30:55,557
today. The property can

2491
01:30:55,557 --> 01:30:56,658
already be used when different

2492
01:30:56,658 --> 01:31:00,258
more profitably use is not a

2493
01:31:00,462 --> 01:31:01,196
hardship. The law recognizes

2494
01:31:01,196 --> 01:31:02,970
is the heart of it. Dc box not

2495
01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:02,898
asking for relief from a

2496
01:31:02,898 --> 01:31:03,597
hardship. It's asking

2497
01:31:03,597 --> 01:31:04,399
permanently change with this

2498
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:08,136
land MAY be used for. That is

2499
01:31:08,136 --> 01:31:08,869
rezoning. Rezoning belongs

2500
01:31:08,869 --> 01:31:10,906
before the City County Council

2501
01:31:10,906 --> 01:31:12,339
on a full legislative record,

2502
01:31:12,339 --> 01:31:13,410
not inside a variance

2503
01:31:13,410 --> 01:31:13,742
proceeding, which is actually

2504
01:31:13,742 --> 01:31:14,943
where a permanent change like

2505
01:31:14,943 --> 01:31:17,943
this gets least amount of

2506
01:31:18,246 --> 01:31:20,215
public accountability. Finding

2507
01:31:20,215 --> 01:31:22,215
5, the approval not

2508
01:31:22,384 --> 01:31:23,850
substantially interfere with

2509
01:31:23,850 --> 01:31:23,785
comprehensive plan. The city

2510
01:31:23,785 --> 01:31:24,453
is right now in the middle of

2511
01:31:24,453 --> 01:31:27,453
writing rules for this very

2512
01:31:27,657 --> 01:31:28,290
kind of facility, moratorium

2513
01:31:28,290 --> 01:31:29,692
and draft standards that

2514
01:31:29,692 --> 01:31:32,920
include required buffer from

2515
01:31:33,395 --> 01:31:34,196
schools from cap on noise.

2516
01:31:34,196 --> 01:31:35,264
Getting experience today would

2517
01:31:35,264 --> 01:31:36,865
leapfrog the exact protection

2518
01:31:36,865 --> 01:31:37,866
cities in the process of

2519
01:31:37,866 --> 01:31:38,534
adopting this interferes with

2520
01:31:38,534 --> 01:31:41,534
the plan doesn't conform to

2521
01:31:43,380 --> 01:31:43,872
it. So that's a 5 burden is on

2522
01:31:43,872 --> 01:31:46,775
dc blocks to prove every one

2523
01:31:46,775 --> 01:31:47,777
of them and it feels on each.

2524
01:31:47,777 --> 01:31:50,546
And the recent changes do not

2525
01:31:50,546 --> 01:31:51,514
rescue Actions are welcome,

2526
01:31:51,514 --> 01:31:53,114
but the commitments are still

2527
01:31:53,114 --> 01:31:55,218
in draft. Not final. Not

2528
01:31:55,218 --> 01:31:56,180
record. It. A small project

2529
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:58,200
does not turn a rezoning into

2530
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:59,222
a variance that not carry

2531
01:31:59,222 --> 01:31:59,921
their burden and are asking

2532
01:31:59,921 --> 01:32:01,123
you to decide for the record

2533
01:32:01,123 --> 01:32:04,123
is even complete. Heather will

2534
01:32:11,567 --> 01:32:13,967
close out. Israeli introduce

2535
01:32:14,803 --> 01:32:15,504
yourself. Okay. Yes. Hogan,

2536
01:32:15,504 --> 01:32:17,504
Heather Rodriguez, 57 51 East

2537
01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:21,770
University Avenue. So you have

2538
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:22,912
now heard by dc Blocks cannot

2539
01:32:22,912 --> 01:32:25,460
meet the findings. Law

2540
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:26,182
requires. We recognize the

2541
01:32:26,182 --> 01:32:28,751
applicant has made changes and

2542
01:32:28,751 --> 01:32:30,386
we have set so plain fully.

2543
01:32:30,386 --> 01:32:32,722
But what they're really asking

2544
01:32:32,722 --> 01:32:33,456
for a permanent change to what

2545
01:32:33,456 --> 01:32:36,158
this land MAY be used for next

2546
01:32:36,158 --> 01:32:38,194
to an elementary school. Is a

2547
01:32:38,194 --> 01:32:40,229
rezoning dressed up as a

2548
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:41,300
variance and it belongs before

2549
01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:43,432
the City County Council with

2550
01:32:43,432 --> 01:32:46,200
the full record, that process

2551
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:46,570
demands for those reasons. We

2552
01:32:46,570 --> 01:32:47,871
respectfully ask the

2553
01:32:47,871 --> 01:32:49,710
commission to deny the

2554
01:32:49,710 --> 01:32:50,974
variance. And if the

2555
01:32:50,974 --> 01:32:52,842
commission is not prepared to

2556
01:32:52,842 --> 01:32:54,744
deny today, we ask that you

2557
01:32:54,744 --> 01:32:56,780
not approve it on this

2558
01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:57,947
incomplete record that you

2559
01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:00,450
hold the matter open until the

2560
01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:01,417
final recorded turns exist.

2561
01:33:01,417 --> 01:33:04,253
And the school has had chair

2562
01:33:04,253 --> 01:33:06,256
at fair Chance to review them.

2563
01:33:06,256 --> 01:33:08,191
This is why we are asking for

2564
01:33:08,191 --> 01:33:09,425
the continuance. Thank you for

2565
01:33:09,425 --> 01:33:10,160
your time and your

2566
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:10,794
consideration all handed over

2567
01:33:10,794 --> 01:33:12,795
to Yes, ma'am. Please

2568
01:33:12,795 --> 01:33:14,795
introduce yourself your

2569
01:33:14,797 --> 01:33:17,197
address. Megan Latham sworn

2570
01:33:17,768 --> 01:33:18,735
in. My address is 6, 1, 5, 5,

2571
01:33:18,735 --> 01:33:19,469
Oak Avenue, Indianapolis,

2572
01:33:19,469 --> 01:33:20,504
Indiana, one 3rd of a mile

2573
01:33:20,504 --> 01:33:23,373
away from the fan tail Drive

2574
01:33:23,373 --> 01:33:24,208
location of even a new resort,

2575
01:33:24,208 --> 01:33:24,908
leaving a business card at a

2576
01:33:24,908 --> 01:33:25,541
school's front MAY. And have

2577
01:33:25,541 --> 01:33:28,541
you been doing swan? Yes.

2578
01:33:29,413 --> 01:33:30,470
Thank you. Go making a

2579
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:31,481
business card of school's

2580
01:33:31,481 --> 01:33:32,448
front office is not meaningful

2581
01:33:32,448 --> 01:33:33,317
outreach. And I was deeply

2582
01:33:33,317 --> 01:33:35,152
disturbed to learn that the

2583
01:33:35,152 --> 01:33:35,851
petitioner didn't contact the

2584
01:33:35,851 --> 01:33:37,540
school board until after the

2585
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:39,256
first hearing had already

2586
01:33:39,256 --> 01:33:42,590
passed and only under public

2587
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:43,860
pressure. The 5 to 11 year-old

2588
01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:44,561
students at I c e s are the

2589
01:33:44,561 --> 01:33:46,530
most vulnerable stakeholders

2590
01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:47,798
involved in this proposal.

2591
01:33:47,798 --> 01:33:49,633
Legally. There are 5 findings

2592
01:33:49,633 --> 01:33:50,601
of fact that are relevant

2593
01:33:50,601 --> 01:33:51,200
today. If even one fall short,

2594
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,600
the entire variance is

2595
01:33:53,837 --> 01:33:54,837
intended to be dismissed. It's

2596
01:33:54,837 --> 01:33:58,642
a high bar was set that way

2597
01:33:58,642 --> 01:33:59,343
historically by design. And

2598
01:33:59,343 --> 01:34:00,744
this petitioners inability to

2599
01:34:00,744 --> 01:34:01,745
meet that bar is thoroughly

2600
01:34:01,745 --> 01:34:02,813
evidence exposing critical

2601
01:34:02,813 --> 01:34:03,447
gaps in the record that no

2602
01:34:03,447 --> 01:34:05,847
three-ring binder is big

2603
01:34:07,184 --> 01:34:07,886
enough to explain away. On

2604
01:34:07,886 --> 01:34:09,253
finding one. The school board

2605
01:34:09,253 --> 01:34:09,786
has already shared matters of

2606
01:34:09,786 --> 01:34:10,487
concern that remain

2607
01:34:10,487 --> 01:34:11,322
unaddressed by the petitioner

2608
01:34:11,322 --> 01:34:14,524
and offer a brief summary of

2609
01:34:14,524 --> 01:34:15,693
the remaining 4 as they stand

2610
01:34:15,693 --> 01:34:17,428
on finding to the petitioners

2611
01:34:17,428 --> 01:34:18,629
primary property value report

2612
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:19,998
opens with a disclaimer

2613
01:34:19,998 --> 01:34:20,698
acknowledging its own limited

2614
01:34:20,698 --> 01:34:23,101
basis than looks backward to

2615
01:34:23,101 --> 01:34:25,101
determine property impacts.

2616
01:34:25,235 --> 01:34:25,969
Despite 40% of the data center

2617
01:34:25,969 --> 01:34:26,638
comparable is never having

2618
01:34:26,638 --> 01:34:29,380
operated during the Integra

2619
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:29,707
study at all. None of the

2620
01:34:29,707 --> 01:34:31,707
comparable Sosa brownfield

2621
01:34:33,111 --> 01:34:33,811
with an active erc, an active

2622
01:34:33,811 --> 01:34:34,612
item investigation regarding

2623
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:36,612
evidence, public exposure

2624
01:34:37,582 --> 01:34:38,316
pathways to carcinogens. Vinyl

2625
01:34:38,316 --> 01:34:40,418
chloride migrating toward a

2626
01:34:40,418 --> 01:34:41,818
public greenway in elementary

2627
01:34:41,818 --> 01:34:43,818
school through the

2628
01:34:43,922 --> 01:34:45,922
contaminated groundwater. But

2629
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,192
nice The second property value

2630
01:34:47,192 --> 01:34:48,920
report from echoes the framing

2631
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,929
in language of the petitioners

2632
01:34:50,929 --> 01:34:51,628
on council closely enough that

2633
01:34:51,628 --> 01:34:54,280
it seriously raises questions

2634
01:34:54,865 --> 01:34:57,202
about its independence on

2635
01:34:57,202 --> 01:34:57,902
finding three-test peculiarity

2636
01:34:57,902 --> 01:34:58,603
factors including sized epton

2637
01:34:58,603 --> 01:35:00,471
access to easements described

2638
01:35:00,471 --> 01:35:01,538
the entire Thunderbird campus.

2639
01:35:01,538 --> 01:35:03,938
Their shared conditions of

2640
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:06,144
doing business at Thunderbird

2641
01:35:06,144 --> 01:35:07,245
and Monarch Success. As a

2642
01:35:07,245 --> 01:35:08,413
conforming I 3 use under the

2643
01:35:08,413 --> 01:35:09,280
same conditions proved they

2644
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,280
impose no real limitations to

2645
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:13,785
development at all. What staff

2646
01:35:13,785 --> 01:35:15,853
accepted as peculiar is quite

2647
01:35:15,853 --> 01:35:18,560
literally ordinary to this

2648
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:18,923
park on finding for staff's

2649
01:35:18,923 --> 01:35:19,991
hardship. Reasoning hinges on

2650
01:35:19,991 --> 01:35:20,692
the claim that the proposed

2651
01:35:20,692 --> 01:35:23,692
use is prohibited solely due

2652
01:35:24,562 --> 01:35:26,970
to the absence listed land use

2653
01:35:26,970 --> 01:35:27,565
classification. Unfortunately,

2654
01:35:27,565 --> 01:35:29,734
that's not hardship under

2655
01:35:29,734 --> 01:35:30,636
Indiana law. It's unknown

2656
01:35:30,636 --> 01:35:33,360
regulatory gap that applies

2657
01:35:34,106 --> 01:35:35,207
equally to any parcel in

2658
01:35:35,207 --> 01:35:35,808
Marion County. Indiana

2659
01:35:35,808 --> 01:35:36,507
precedent requires the

2660
01:35:36,507 --> 01:35:38,476
property can't reasonably be

2661
01:35:38,476 --> 01:35:39,111
put to any conforming use and

2662
01:35:39,111 --> 01:35:41,450
that loss of profit never

2663
01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:42,448
constitutes unnecessary

2664
01:35:42,448 --> 01:35:43,820
hardship. The local developer

2665
01:35:43,820 --> 01:35:44,849
stated on the record that

2666
01:35:44,849 --> 01:35:46,785
plenty of other things could

2667
01:35:46,785 --> 01:35:48,419
go here. Dc Box auto landed

2668
01:35:48,419 --> 01:35:49,922
new wasn't zone for its

2669
01:35:49,922 --> 01:35:51,922
purposes. Any so-called

2670
01:35:52,191 --> 01:35:54,158
hardship has been entirely

2671
01:35:54,158 --> 01:35:54,894
self-inflicted on finding 5.

2672
01:35:54,894 --> 01:35:56,950
The comprehensive plan's owned

2673
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:57,563
this parcel from medium

2674
01:35:57,563 --> 01:35:58,197
industrial, which is an

2675
01:35:58,197 --> 01:36:00,197
increasingly constrained

2676
01:36:00,499 --> 01:36:01,333
designation. And the 4.65 loop

2677
01:36:01,333 --> 01:36:03,135
yet staff maintains data

2678
01:36:03,135 --> 01:36:04,236
centers aligned with light

2679
01:36:04,236 --> 01:36:06,105
industrial use. Well, also

2680
01:36:06,105 --> 01:36:08,173
recommending approval for this

2681
01:36:08,173 --> 01:36:08,774
one today proving I 3 parcels

2682
01:36:08,774 --> 01:36:11,174
suited perfectly for an

2683
01:36:11,677 --> 01:36:12,344
approved by right use and

2684
01:36:12,344 --> 01:36:13,646
denying the opportunity to

2685
01:36:13,646 --> 01:36:15,114
hard pressed to your base

2686
01:36:15,114 --> 01:36:17,150
businesses that want to stay

2687
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:20,615
local. This is an exchange for

2688
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:22,530
21 long-term jobs. Despite

2689
01:36:22,530 --> 01:36:24,523
their efforts to show to shore

2690
01:36:24,523 --> 01:36:25,189
up their case. Indiana and

2691
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:25,858
Marion County Land use Law

2692
01:36:25,858 --> 01:36:28,258
gives this commission ample

2693
01:36:28,861 --> 01:36:30,496
foundation to deny this today

2694
01:36:30,496 --> 01:36:31,163
our community is reasonable to

2695
01:36:31,163 --> 01:36:31,863
reject the stas conclusion.

2696
01:36:31,863 --> 01:36:33,532
And we ask this commission to

2697
01:36:33,532 --> 01:36:34,567
do the same. This petition

2698
01:36:34,567 --> 01:36:36,967
should rightfully be denied.

2699
01:36:37,369 --> 01:36:39,369
Thank you.

2700
01:36:42,408 --> 01:36:44,408
Please introduce yourself

2701
01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:46,312
address and have even do a My

2702
01:36:46,312 --> 01:36:49,312
name is right. Steinhardt my

2703
01:36:50,249 --> 01:36:50,983
dresses. 1, 1, 5, 3, to

2704
01:36:50,983 --> 01:36:51,618
Newport, driving up, listening

2705
01:36:51,618 --> 01:36:52,318
in for 6 to 3, 6. And I'm

2706
01:36:52,318 --> 01:36:52,985
sorry, your name or more time

2707
01:36:52,985 --> 01:36:54,587
Rice. Time hurt. Thank you.

2708
01:36:54,587 --> 01:36:57,323
All right. My voice is very

2709
01:36:57,323 --> 01:36:59,580
dry and I have been sworn in.

2710
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:00,893
So speaking more to counselor

2711
01:37:00,893 --> 01:37:02,561
Lyles Point. I think that this

2712
01:37:02,561 --> 01:37:04,497
entire setup edge, you know,

2713
01:37:04,497 --> 01:37:06,899
that for hyper Scalers could

2714
01:37:06,899 --> 01:37:08,435
turn us into the ai version of

2715
01:37:08,435 --> 01:37:09,134
Detroit within a few years

2716
01:37:09,134 --> 01:37:12,370
that they will just leave us

2717
01:37:12,370 --> 01:37:12,772
out to dry. Microsoft is

2718
01:37:12,772 --> 01:37:15,172
already paused construction of

2719
01:37:15,474 --> 01:37:16,576
their Wisconsin data center.

2720
01:37:16,576 --> 01:37:19,576
Google or timeline. I here's

2721
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:21,147
what I want you come. You get

2722
01:37:21,147 --> 01:37:21,747
a comeback on rebuttal for 5

2723
01:37:21,747 --> 01:37:23,250
minutes. So you and the

2724
01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:26,119
gentleman that's in line. We'd

2725
01:37:26,119 --> 01:37:26,820
like for you to lead and give

2726
01:37:26,820 --> 01:37:27,954
your comments as we come back

2727
01:37:27,954 --> 01:37:31,358
to very much. Thank you very

2728
01:37:31,358 --> 01:37:34,358
much. Members of the City

2729
01:37:35,962 --> 01:37:36,630
Council. Counselor heart sure

2730
01:37:36,630 --> 01:37:39,630
district. Would you like to

2731
01:37:41,768 --> 01:37:42,435
start? Thank Commissioner

2732
01:37:42,435 --> 01:37:44,435
COUNCILMAN Nielsen. Please

2733
01:37:46,908 --> 01:37:49,476
come forward. Let me State one

2734
01:37:49,476 --> 01:37:51,143
more time. Thank you for being

2735
01:37:51,143 --> 01:37:52,780
here. We hold you in high

2736
01:37:52,780 --> 01:37:53,613
regard. I know you're a

2737
01:37:53,613 --> 01:37:55,613
hard-working city councilor

2738
01:37:58,184 --> 01:37:59,118
go. You're on a class. Good

2739
01:37:59,118 --> 01:37:59,853
afternoon. PRESIDENT Dylan

2740
01:37:59,853 --> 01:38:02,253
commissioners again. My name

2741
01:38:02,289 --> 01:38:05,289
is Andy Nielsen. City County

2742
01:38:05,625 --> 01:38:06,293
Councilor for District 14. I

2743
01:38:06,293 --> 01:38:08,693
come before you today

2744
01:38:09,296 --> 01:38:11,696
requesting that you deny. 26

2745
01:38:12,766 --> 01:38:13,900
Tbra 1, 5, and I will probably

2746
01:38:13,900 --> 01:38:14,602
repetitive to what has been

2747
01:38:14,602 --> 01:38:18,172
discussed. So I ask that you

2748
01:38:18,172 --> 01:38:19,406
bear with me. After hearing

2749
01:38:19,406 --> 01:38:20,207
clearly an overwhelmingly from

2750
01:38:20,207 --> 01:38:20,774
my district and engaging with

2751
01:38:20,774 --> 01:38:23,174
the company and their

2752
01:38:24,312 --> 01:38:25,110
representatives. I do not

2753
01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:25,712
believe the development will

2754
01:38:25,712 --> 01:38:28,349
be in the best interest of my

2755
01:38:28,349 --> 01:38:28,983
constituents and my community.

2756
01:38:28,983 --> 01:38:31,983
But in recognition of the

2757
01:38:32,452 --> 01:38:33,120
analysis in front of you. I

2758
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,520
believe the findings, one 4

2759
01:38:35,689 --> 01:38:36,389
have not been satisfied

2760
01:38:36,389 --> 01:38:38,789
requiring that the commission

2761
01:38:38,992 --> 01:38:39,793
tonight, this petition. It

2762
01:38:39,793 --> 01:38:42,196
should be noted that the

2763
01:38:42,196 --> 01:38:44,596
discussion today. During the

2764
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:46,900
petitioners. Presentation is

2765
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:50,304
the exact basis for which we

2766
01:38:50,304 --> 01:38:50,871
asked for a continuance. As an

2767
01:38:50,871 --> 01:38:52,505
example to that, the

2768
01:38:52,505 --> 01:38:53,206
conversation from commissioner

2769
01:38:53,206 --> 01:38:56,806
a while with something that I

2770
01:38:56,844 --> 01:38:58,379
have been asking for since 0.

2771
01:38:58,379 --> 01:38:59,450
For some background and

2772
01:38:59,450 --> 01:39:01,282
context. The proposed site

2773
01:39:01,282 --> 01:39:01,949
sits directly on the border.

2774
01:39:01,949 --> 01:39:04,852
If you look at your map up

2775
01:39:04,852 --> 01:39:07,788
there on the border. That is

2776
01:39:07,788 --> 01:39:09,323
the corner. A district 20.

2777
01:39:09,323 --> 01:39:12,323
Everything north and east of

2778
01:39:13,361 --> 01:39:14,610
that, his district, 14.

2779
01:39:14,610 --> 01:39:14,795
Respect to district lines. My

2780
01:39:14,795 --> 01:39:16,397
involvement engagement on this

2781
01:39:16,397 --> 01:39:19,397
position is unique. Given the

2782
01:39:19,901 --> 01:39:22,301
proximity, the proposed site

2783
01:39:22,537 --> 01:39:24,238
and that 95 97% of the nearly

2784
01:39:24,238 --> 01:39:24,939
1800 residents who live within

2785
01:39:24,939 --> 01:39:27,308
a half mile half mile radius

2786
01:39:27,308 --> 01:39:28,143
of the proposed site live in

2787
01:39:28,143 --> 01:39:30,543
district 14. Many of those

2788
01:39:31,450 --> 01:39:32,146
residents are here today. And

2789
01:39:32,146 --> 01:39:32,713
as we all know, political

2790
01:39:32,713 --> 01:39:35,113
lines do not reflect

2791
01:39:36,884 --> 01:39:38,386
neighborhood boundaries. In

2792
01:39:38,386 --> 01:39:39,187
late APRIL 2026, held a

2793
01:39:39,187 --> 01:39:40,388
community forum for neighbors

2794
01:39:40,388 --> 01:39:41,880
learn more about the from the

2795
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:42,490
petition earlier this spring

2796
01:39:42,490 --> 01:39:44,890
closed a month-long survey

2797
01:39:45,693 --> 01:39:46,360
collect input from residents.

2798
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:47,628
The results from the survey

2799
01:39:47,628 --> 01:39:49,970
reflect everything that I've

2800
01:39:49,970 --> 01:39:52,970
heard from text messages calls

2801
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:52,900
e-mail social media. He's been

2802
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:53,534
to Irvington around the side.

2803
01:39:53,534 --> 01:39:54,402
You know, you're walking

2804
01:39:54,402 --> 01:39:57,305
around. Some is going to tell

2805
01:39:57,305 --> 01:39:59,705
you direct contact with

2806
01:40:00,142 --> 01:40:01,275
constituents that 83% of my

2807
01:40:01,275 --> 01:40:02,977
constituents and respondents

2808
01:40:02,977 --> 01:40:05,377
oppose this development. The

2809
01:40:07,115 --> 01:40:07,748
context. The context of the

2810
01:40:07,748 --> 01:40:09,350
commutes position is very

2811
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:11,520
important as it was not made

2812
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,287
with pace is instead an

2813
01:40:12,287 --> 01:40:14,322
example of how engaged

2814
01:40:14,322 --> 01:40:15,856
community makes an informed

2815
01:40:15,856 --> 01:40:16,525
decision and it's not one

2816
01:40:16,525 --> 01:40:17,425
steeped in anti development

2817
01:40:17,425 --> 01:40:20,425
fervor which I'll prove later

2818
01:40:21,496 --> 01:40:23,664
as Wall. Unfortunately, as

2819
01:40:23,664 --> 01:40:24,366
this process has unfolded. I

2820
01:40:24,366 --> 01:40:26,834
really don't want to have to

2821
01:40:26,834 --> 01:40:27,502
say this, but unfortunately,

2822
01:40:27,502 --> 01:40:30,380
as this process unfolds has

2823
01:40:30,380 --> 01:40:31,273
become abundantly clear that

2824
01:40:31,273 --> 01:40:31,874
any potential benefits from

2825
01:40:31,874 --> 01:40:33,775
this project are fully

2826
01:40:33,775 --> 01:40:36,775
transactional. I need you to

2827
01:40:38,614 --> 01:40:39,915
understand that. After months.

2828
01:40:39,915 --> 01:40:41,116
Months of pushing the company

2829
01:40:41,116 --> 01:40:41,985
in the representatives for a

2830
01:40:41,985 --> 01:40:43,985
more comprehensive, thoughtful

2831
01:40:44,180 --> 01:40:46,418
and meaningful process to

2832
01:40:46,622 --> 01:40:47,356
discuss potential benefits,

2833
01:40:47,356 --> 01:40:48,560
the company and the

2834
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,560
representatives have instead

2835
01:40:50,792 --> 01:40:52,761
chosen to operate within a

2836
01:40:52,761 --> 01:40:55,161
silo seeking input from

2837
01:40:55,330 --> 01:40:55,964
stakeholders and others who

2838
01:40:55,964 --> 01:40:56,665
are friendly us to their

2839
01:40:56,665 --> 01:40:59,650
development. The second that

2840
01:40:59,669 --> 01:41:00,402
pushback is given.

2841
01:41:00,402 --> 01:41:02,802
Communication lines stay open,

2842
01:41:02,905 --> 01:41:03,640
but meaningful get engagement

2843
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,410
has disappeared. And you do to

2844
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:06,909
recognize that a good example.

2845
01:41:06,909 --> 01:41:07,610
One member of the historic

2846
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:10,100
Irving and Community Council

2847
01:41:10,713 --> 01:41:11,480
MAY be supportive of this. The

2848
01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:13,383
entire community Council your

2849
01:41:13,383 --> 01:41:14,650
packet has written a letter in

2850
01:41:14,650 --> 01:41:16,152
opposition. This community

2851
01:41:16,152 --> 01:41:17,120
meeting on AUGUST, the 4th or

2852
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:21,320
the 5th. I found out about it

2853
01:41:21,723 --> 01:41:22,457
when you all did. And again, I

2854
01:41:22,457 --> 01:41:23,580
emphasize that the performance

2855
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:23,792
bond that was discussed

2856
01:41:23,792 --> 01:41:26,792
earlier is something that I've

2857
01:41:29,398 --> 01:41:30,766
been asking for since day one.

2858
01:41:30,766 --> 01:41:31,433
I say all this while in

2859
01:41:31,433 --> 01:41:32,401
recognition that the

2860
01:41:32,401 --> 01:41:33,350
commission is well aware of

2861
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:33,770
the sensitivity to these

2862
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:36,371
projects, this petition is not

2863
01:41:36,371 --> 01:41:37,373
new to that conversation.

2864
01:41:37,373 --> 01:41:38,641
However, it is key that these

2865
01:41:38,641 --> 01:41:39,309
concerns are also centered and

2866
01:41:39,309 --> 01:41:42,309
present as we continue this

2867
01:41:43,780 --> 01:41:44,480
discussion. I appreciate

2868
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:45,381
understand the question and

2869
01:41:45,381 --> 01:41:46,582
analysis before the nbc are

2870
01:41:46,582 --> 01:41:48,117
focused on ensuring in the

2871
01:41:48,117 --> 01:41:48,985
case as been discussed in the

2872
01:41:48,985 --> 01:41:50,853
case of a variance of use that

2873
01:41:50,853 --> 01:41:52,354
5 findings of fact been

2874
01:41:52,354 --> 01:41:54,122
satisfied as the embassy in dc

2875
01:41:54,122 --> 01:41:56,291
as aware as MISTER Serrano

2876
01:41:56,291 --> 01:41:57,327
emphasize determining that

2877
01:41:57,327 --> 01:41:59,963
even one finding has not been

2878
01:41:59,963 --> 01:42:00,663
satisfied is justification. I

2879
01:42:00,663 --> 01:42:03,199
would say a requirement that

2880
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:04,334
you deny this petition and

2881
01:42:04,334 --> 01:42:05,835
here I will prove that finding

2882
01:42:05,835 --> 01:42:06,703
one provides the mdc with at a

2883
01:42:06,703 --> 01:42:08,605
minimum, the discretion to

2884
01:42:08,605 --> 01:42:09,305
conclude the finding not been

2885
01:42:09,305 --> 01:42:11,140
satisfied and finding for has

2886
01:42:11,140 --> 01:42:14,140
not been satisfied on finding

2887
01:42:15,412 --> 01:42:16,412
one. I believe strongly that

2888
01:42:16,412 --> 01:42:19,820
the staff report emphasizes a

2889
01:42:19,820 --> 01:42:19,716
powerful tool that is in your

2890
01:42:19,716 --> 01:42:20,350
possession commissioners,

2891
01:42:20,350 --> 01:42:22,180
which is also key to good

2892
01:42:22,180 --> 01:42:23,387
government public policy.

2893
01:42:23,387 --> 01:42:25,388
That's discretion. If you read

2894
01:42:25,388 --> 01:42:26,900
the staff report, staff states

2895
01:42:26,900 --> 01:42:28,358
in relation to finding well,

2896
01:42:28,358 --> 01:42:28,925
and finding one and I quote,

2897
01:42:28,925 --> 01:42:30,925
public testimony and

2898
01:42:31,362 --> 01:42:33,762
correspondents have race could

2899
01:42:34,630 --> 01:42:35,432
raise concerns related to

2900
01:42:35,432 --> 01:42:36,165
potential impacts. Other

2901
01:42:36,165 --> 01:42:36,900
proposed data center including

2902
01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:38,702
noise operation of diesel fuel

2903
01:42:38,702 --> 01:42:40,303
generators and overall energy

2904
01:42:40,303 --> 01:42:41,400
consumption staff acknowledges

2905
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,604
these concerns as part of the

2906
01:42:46,776 --> 01:42:47,478
public record. And took that

2907
01:42:47,478 --> 01:42:49,878
into consideration during the

2908
01:42:51,649 --> 01:42:52,182
zoning analysis. An

2909
01:42:52,182 --> 01:42:52,882
acknowledgement in

2910
01:42:52,882 --> 01:42:55,282
consideration of the concerns

2911
01:42:55,285 --> 01:42:56,320
in the staff's analysis is the

2912
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:57,855
very basis by which you

2913
01:42:57,855 --> 01:42:59,356
commissioners MAY deny

2914
01:42:59,356 --> 01:43:01,292
petition. This is a clear

2915
01:43:01,292 --> 01:43:03,930
recognition that this process

2916
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:03,761
discretion from staff's

2917
01:43:03,761 --> 01:43:05,761
analysis, community concern

2918
01:43:06,897 --> 01:43:07,565
and voice has been weighed

2919
01:43:07,565 --> 01:43:09,565
against several incomplete

2920
01:43:09,766 --> 01:43:11,766
commitments which remain

2921
01:43:11,936 --> 01:43:13,704
ongoing, thereby strengthening

2922
01:43:13,704 --> 01:43:14,271
the community's argument and

2923
01:43:14,271 --> 01:43:14,972
concern. You have the

2924
01:43:14,972 --> 01:43:16,140
discretion to provide a more

2925
01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:18,420
critical analysis that this

2926
01:43:18,420 --> 01:43:19,944
finding has not been

2927
01:43:19,944 --> 01:43:20,544
satisfied. Discretion is also

2928
01:43:20,544 --> 01:43:22,944
abundantly clear in the

2929
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,490
petitioners on analysis. As I

2930
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:25,882
sat there, they spent 7 of

2931
01:43:25,882 --> 01:43:27,882
their 15 minutes discussing

2932
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:29,180
who was in support of Not

2933
01:43:29,180 --> 01:43:32,180
proving that the findings of

2934
01:43:32,957 --> 01:43:34,925
fact have been met. Every time

2935
01:43:34,925 --> 01:43:35,960
a letter of testimony support

2936
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,270
described presented it is with

2937
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:38,495
in this very argument this is

2938
01:43:38,495 --> 01:43:39,964
a similar application, the

2939
01:43:39,964 --> 01:43:41,532
same appeal that I'm making to

2940
01:43:41,532 --> 01:43:42,199
you today when a community

2941
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:43,634
group or other stakeholder

2942
01:43:43,634 --> 01:43:46,634
groups because it position on

2943
01:43:46,705 --> 01:43:47,371
a petition is considered this

2944
01:43:47,371 --> 01:43:50,307
introduces a way to now is

2945
01:43:50,307 --> 01:43:51,775
that, in fact, when discussing

2946
01:43:51,775 --> 01:43:53,111
finding the nbc does have the

2947
01:43:53,111 --> 01:43:55,111
discretion to consider

2948
01:43:55,246 --> 01:43:56,147
community support and or

2949
01:43:56,147 --> 01:43:59,147
opposition and what is so

2950
01:43:59,150 --> 01:44:01,118
powerful in this moment is

2951
01:44:01,118 --> 01:44:02,754
that the staff report

2952
01:44:02,754 --> 01:44:03,587
acknowledges this allowing the

2953
01:44:03,587 --> 01:44:05,557
mdc to re Kuwait

2954
01:44:05,557 --> 01:44:07,957
considerations with in finding

2955
01:44:09,261 --> 01:44:10,361
one and to conclude that the

2956
01:44:10,361 --> 01:44:12,361
overwhelming community concern

2957
01:44:13,310 --> 01:44:14,833
and opposition outweighs any

2958
01:44:14,833 --> 01:44:17,602
offsets again at best finding

2959
01:44:17,602 --> 01:44:18,536
one is on unstable grounds.

2960
01:44:18,536 --> 01:44:20,505
Once you begin to re waited, I

2961
01:44:20,505 --> 01:44:21,406
maintain that is not been

2962
01:44:21,406 --> 01:44:23,308
satisfied. And the meeting mdc

2963
01:44:23,308 --> 01:44:26,308
must deny the petition. Moving

2964
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:28,130
on to finding 4 finding 4

2965
01:44:28,130 --> 01:44:28,713
requires the petitioner

2966
01:44:28,713 --> 01:44:29,480
demonstrate that, quote, the

2967
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:31,880
strict application of the

2968
01:44:32,217 --> 01:44:34,286
terms of the zoning ordinance

2969
01:44:34,286 --> 01:44:35,420
constitutes an unusual and

2970
01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:36,121
unnecessary hardship if apply

2971
01:44:36,121 --> 01:44:39,157
to the property for which the

2972
01:44:39,157 --> 01:44:39,824
variant us up the proposed

2973
01:44:39,824 --> 01:44:41,259
site. Again, this has been

2974
01:44:41,259 --> 01:44:41,993
discussed is currently zoned.

2975
01:44:41,993 --> 01:44:42,694
I 3 providing for media

2976
01:44:42,694 --> 01:44:44,329
industrial use as part of the

2977
01:44:44,329 --> 01:44:46,329
Thunderbird Commerce Center

2978
01:44:46,865 --> 01:44:47,531
that was established in 2022.

2979
01:44:47,531 --> 01:44:50,531
That did say vacant for 20

2980
01:44:50,602 --> 01:44:52,437
years. But that's not the

2981
01:44:52,437 --> 01:44:54,390
complete story. Over the past

2982
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:55,574
several years. All other

2983
01:44:55,574 --> 01:44:56,341
parcels within 100 Commerce

2984
01:44:56,341 --> 01:44:57,741
Center have been or are

2985
01:44:57,741 --> 01:44:59,741
currently being developed.

2986
01:45:02,147 --> 01:45:04,547
This very body. Considered

2987
01:45:05,217 --> 01:45:05,917
petitions for Monarch Beverage

2988
01:45:05,917 --> 01:45:06,651
that developed for that for a

2989
01:45:06,651 --> 01:45:08,190
50,000 square-foot facility in

2990
01:45:08,190 --> 01:45:10,190
2024. Creating roughly 500

2991
01:45:10,956 --> 01:45:13,356
jobs. This commission also

2992
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:15,160
approved rezone and incentives

2993
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,563
dandy and Louth is finishing a

2994
01:45:18,563 --> 01:45:20,733
facility by later this fall.

2995
01:45:20,733 --> 01:45:22,167
Ford and that will create 350

2996
01:45:22,167 --> 01:45:25,700
jobs just last week. And this

2997
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:25,704
very chamber, the City County

2998
01:45:25,704 --> 01:45:26,772
Council approved the tax

2999
01:45:26,772 --> 01:45:28,908
abatements that you all set to

3000
01:45:28,908 --> 01:45:29,575
us. So as we look to the

3001
01:45:29,575 --> 01:45:31,109
application of what must be

3002
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:33,509
satisfied and are fighting

3003
01:45:33,546 --> 01:45:35,481
force, things are falling

3004
01:45:35,481 --> 01:45:36,616
apart. Again, the petitioner

3005
01:45:36,616 --> 01:45:38,618
must satisfy the strict

3006
01:45:38,618 --> 01:45:39,952
application provides a

3007
01:45:39,952 --> 01:45:41,921
hardship if we approach this

3008
01:45:41,921 --> 01:45:43,322
analysis from the petitioners

3009
01:45:43,322 --> 01:45:43,990
per session, there are

3010
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:45,358
remedies within the zoning

3011
01:45:45,358 --> 01:45:47,930
code that would nullify all of

3012
01:45:47,930 --> 01:45:47,560
this. A special commercial

3013
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,560
district zoning

3014
01:45:51,300 --> 01:45:51,763
classification. That would

3015
01:45:51,763 --> 01:45:54,000
allow the petitioner to submit

3016
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:54,834
for their own set of rules. We

3017
01:45:54,834 --> 01:45:56,469
wouldn't have to consider this

3018
01:45:56,469 --> 01:45:57,403
hardship application because

3019
01:45:57,403 --> 01:45:59,803
the petitioner could submit

3020
01:46:00,573 --> 01:46:01,240
for this body's consideration.

3021
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:01,807
A set of standards to fall

3022
01:46:01,807 --> 01:46:04,207
outside of a hardship

3023
01:46:05,211 --> 01:46:06,913
exemption. This commission has

3024
01:46:06,913 --> 01:46:07,446
approved previous data-center

3025
01:46:07,446 --> 01:46:09,446
campuses under this

3026
01:46:10,383 --> 01:46:11,817
application. If we approach

3027
01:46:11,817 --> 01:46:12,584
analysis from the property

3028
01:46:12,584 --> 01:46:13,252
owners position, it's

3029
01:46:13,252 --> 01:46:15,154
abundantly clear that that

3030
01:46:15,154 --> 01:46:15,955
there's not a hardship with

3031
01:46:15,955 --> 01:46:18,355
the ability develop the

3032
01:46:19,580 --> 01:46:20,526
property and I zoning. Why as

3033
01:46:20,526 --> 01:46:21,260
mentioned earlier, this is the

3034
01:46:21,260 --> 01:46:23,663
last parcel being developed at

3035
01:46:23,663 --> 01:46:24,363
the Commerce Center. Without

3036
01:46:24,363 --> 01:46:26,763
community opposition. I would

3037
01:46:27,968 --> 01:46:28,701
also point out. For these

3038
01:46:28,701 --> 01:46:29,635
reasons finding for is clearly

3039
01:46:29,635 --> 01:46:32,350
not satisfied. Meaning nbc

3040
01:46:32,872 --> 01:46:35,272
must deny the petition.

3041
01:46:37,344 --> 01:46:38,100
Commissioners. I recognize and

3042
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:40,410
appreciate the questions in

3043
01:46:41,948 --> 01:46:42,648
front of you. The analysis for

3044
01:46:42,648 --> 01:46:43,916
the indices focus on ensuring

3045
01:46:43,916 --> 01:46:44,650
these 5 findings of facts have

3046
01:46:44,650 --> 01:46:47,500
been satisfied, including that

3047
01:46:49,689 --> 01:46:50,390
one. Even slightly

3048
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:51,458
insufficient. Is security is

3049
01:46:51,458 --> 01:46:53,159
sufficient to deny the

3050
01:46:53,159 --> 01:46:53,827
petition. And as I outlined, i

3051
01:46:53,827 --> 01:46:54,861
believe that finding one of

3052
01:46:54,861 --> 01:46:57,261
best provides the commission

3053
01:46:58,632 --> 01:47:00,166
with the discretion necessary

3054
01:47:00,166 --> 01:47:01,401
to deny and finding 4 has

3055
01:47:01,401 --> 01:47:03,202
clearly not been satisfied.

3056
01:47:03,202 --> 01:47:06,473
This is a moment for you all

3057
01:47:06,473 --> 01:47:07,107
to recognize that for these

3058
01:47:07,107 --> 01:47:09,507
reasons, the embassy must

3059
01:47:19,180 --> 01:47:20,654
design petition. Thank But

3060
01:47:20,654 --> 01:47:23,540
since capture, we'll this

3061
01:47:25,157 --> 01:47:27,557
time. Good. Thank you,

3062
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:31,764
counselor counselor being.

3063
01:47:31,764 --> 01:47:33,967
Councilor Heart council cross

3064
01:47:33,967 --> 01:47:37,567
up cancer around at top. No,

3065
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:40,400
you're good okay. Council

3066
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,440
fleas and Michael part

3067
01:47:44,945 --> 01:47:45,812
representing district MR.

3068
01:47:45,812 --> 01:47:46,813
PRESIDENT CHAIRMAN. Well,

3069
01:47:46,813 --> 01:47:47,481
counselor, we appreciate by

3070
01:47:47,481 --> 01:47:48,482
the way, we appreciate your

3071
01:47:48,482 --> 01:47:51,482
hard work as well. I

3072
01:47:53,587 --> 01:47:54,288
appreciate So I'll tell you

3073
01:47:54,288 --> 01:47:54,956
what's interesting. You know,

3074
01:47:54,956 --> 01:47:55,690
when I look at this, ladies

3075
01:47:55,690 --> 01:47:58,690
and gentlemen, thank you. Look

3076
01:47:58,993 --> 01:47:59,693
at the counter top. As say, a

3077
01:47:59,693 --> 01:48:00,327
brief story before I get into

3078
01:48:00,327 --> 01:48:03,327
this. Looking at this map

3079
01:48:03,564 --> 01:48:04,231
right here because what's

3080
01:48:04,231 --> 01:48:04,898
interesting about this site

3081
01:48:04,898 --> 01:48:06,700
is, you know, we talk about

3082
01:48:06,700 --> 01:48:09,470
where it's located and who it

3083
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:13,440
impacts. And when I go back to

3084
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:14,410
think it was 2020 to 21, even

3085
01:48:14,410 --> 01:48:15,900
I was approached by the

3086
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:16,743
predecessor of District 14,

3087
01:48:16,743 --> 01:48:17,712
which was Jason lawyers and

3088
01:48:17,712 --> 01:48:18,446
counselors and and the city of

3089
01:48:18,446 --> 01:48:21,282
Indianapolis. And they came to

3090
01:48:21,282 --> 01:48:22,160
me and they said Councilor

3091
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:23,170
Heart, would you be supportive

3092
01:48:23,170 --> 01:48:26,554
of creating a tiff in this

3093
01:48:26,554 --> 01:48:27,255
area to support what's going

3094
01:48:27,255 --> 01:48:28,323
on with Laos development but

3095
01:48:28,323 --> 01:48:30,910
used that allocation outside

3096
01:48:30,910 --> 01:48:33,691
of your district. That's a big

3097
01:48:35,163 --> 01:48:35,862
ask. And I said with pleasure.

3098
01:48:35,862 --> 01:48:39,199
And the reason I said that is

3099
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:39,934
because my vision for the east

3100
01:48:39,934 --> 01:48:42,934
side east of Indianapolis, the

3101
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:44,105
East Washington corridor is it

3102
01:48:44,105 --> 01:48:45,939
doesn't stop at the district

3103
01:48:45,939 --> 01:48:46,941
lines of the boundaries. If

3104
01:48:46,941 --> 01:48:47,909
there was development that was

3105
01:48:47,909 --> 01:48:48,610
going to happen or Benton,

3106
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:49,710
Pleasant West of District 20,

3107
01:48:49,710 --> 01:48:53,581
that was a good thing. And so

3108
01:48:53,581 --> 01:48:54,282
I look at this as exactly is

3109
01:48:54,282 --> 01:48:55,383
the counselor said we're not

3110
01:48:55,383 --> 01:48:57,783
divided by boundary lines.

3111
01:48:58,219 --> 01:48:59,870
This is opportunity that we're

3112
01:48:59,870 --> 01:49:02,870
looking at a redevelopment of

3113
01:49:03,725 --> 01:49:04,492
an entire plot of land and why

3114
01:49:04,492 --> 01:49:05,393
that's important is when I

3115
01:49:05,393 --> 01:49:07,394
look at this and I'll tell you

3116
01:49:07,394 --> 01:49:08,364
what the process that I went

3117
01:49:08,364 --> 01:49:11,867
through is a very long one.

3118
01:49:11,867 --> 01:49:12,568
You know, I've spent weeks

3119
01:49:12,568 --> 01:49:15,360
every week since this was was

3120
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,605
opened up and MARCH writing

3121
01:49:17,605 --> 01:49:18,273
about this in my my letter, my

3122
01:49:18,273 --> 01:49:21,109
newsletter that I send out

3123
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:21,709
weekly called The Sunday Post

3124
01:49:21,709 --> 01:49:23,440
in that is been weekly

3125
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:24,812
meetings with the petitioner

3126
01:49:24,812 --> 01:49:27,212
community members going on

3127
01:49:27,916 --> 01:49:28,716
site. I've spent countless

3128
01:49:28,716 --> 01:49:31,486
hours trying to find the facts

3129
01:49:31,486 --> 01:49:32,688
of all of these things, but

3130
01:49:32,688 --> 01:49:33,722
also been a very fortunate

3131
01:49:33,722 --> 01:49:35,925
position where this is maybe

3132
01:49:35,925 --> 01:49:36,959
maybe not so fortunate. But

3133
01:49:36,959 --> 01:49:39,562
the second data center I've

3134
01:49:39,562 --> 01:49:40,229
had in my district. And so

3135
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:43,732
I've been at the ability to

3136
01:49:43,732 --> 01:49:45,732
actually. Compare these 2

3137
01:49:45,834 --> 01:49:46,535
things in on the surface. What

3138
01:49:46,535 --> 01:49:48,637
is extremely different is the

3139
01:49:48,637 --> 01:49:49,271
plot of land itself. The first

3140
01:49:49,271 --> 01:49:51,540
time I went through this

3141
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:52,741
process, it was with Google.

3142
01:49:52,741 --> 01:49:55,744
It was a hyper scalers and it

3143
01:49:55,744 --> 01:49:56,879
was in agricultural area with

3144
01:49:56,879 --> 01:49:59,815
a lot. And you all seen this a

3145
01:49:59,815 --> 01:50:01,217
lot of residential around it.

3146
01:50:01,217 --> 01:50:02,785
This on the other hand is a

3147
01:50:02,785 --> 01:50:04,253
highly industrial area that

3148
01:50:04,253 --> 01:50:07,253
this photo itself, it doesn't

3149
01:50:09,570 --> 01:50:09,625
it? Ladies and gentleman, but

3150
01:50:09,625 --> 01:50:12,250
the city council are

3151
01:50:13,963 --> 01:50:15,930
completely statement. Thank

3152
01:50:15,930 --> 01:50:18,000
But incomplete. A statement

3153
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:18,701
council This is a very

3154
01:50:18,701 --> 01:50:21,700
industrial area that even to

3155
01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:22,838
the south of it, you have

3156
01:50:22,838 --> 01:50:23,405
thousands of truck bays. You

3157
01:50:23,405 --> 01:50:25,405
have metal recycling

3158
01:50:26,575 --> 01:50:27,443
facilities. You have bakeries.

3159
01:50:27,443 --> 01:50:28,210
This is not a of an

3160
01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:31,210
agriculture. This is not a

3161
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:34,350
dwelling area and thank you,

3162
01:50:34,350 --> 01:50:36,986
MR. PRESIDENT so when I look

3163
01:50:36,986 --> 01:50:37,620
at this, I have to consider,

3164
01:50:37,620 --> 01:50:40,620
ok, what are we actually

3165
01:50:40,656 --> 01:50:41,257
putting? And I look at it, 4

3166
01:50:41,257 --> 01:50:41,925
main buckets. What I'm

3167
01:50:41,925 --> 01:50:42,524
considering these types the

3168
01:50:42,524 --> 01:50:44,524
data center development

3169
01:50:46,695 --> 01:50:47,363
specifically I'm looking at.

3170
01:50:47,363 --> 01:50:48,164
The quality of life for the

3171
01:50:48,164 --> 01:50:48,898
folks that are living around

3172
01:50:48,898 --> 01:50:52,334
it. I'm looking at the energy.

3173
01:50:52,334 --> 01:50:52,935
I'm looking at the environment

3174
01:50:52,935 --> 01:50:53,670
and I'm looking at the

3175
01:50:53,670 --> 01:50:57,270
financial impact of all of it.

3176
01:50:57,674 --> 01:50:58,340
And so that's what I spent my

3177
01:50:58,340 --> 01:50:59,376
time doing. And, you know,

3178
01:50:59,376 --> 01:51:01,776
from a relatively standpoint

3179
01:51:02,178 --> 01:51:03,113
where I I live close of this

3180
01:51:03,113 --> 01:51:05,150
where I live in relation to

3181
01:51:05,150 --> 01:51:06,480
the site is very close to what

3182
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:07,183
I lived in relay still live in

3183
01:51:07,183 --> 01:51:10,183
relation to where the Google

3184
01:51:10,587 --> 01:51:11,288
site was. The Google site was

3185
01:51:11,288 --> 01:51:12,550
3 point or 2.2 miles from my

3186
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:14,724
house. This is 3.2 miles from

3187
01:51:14,724 --> 01:51:15,392
my house. So I'm very close to

3188
01:51:15,392 --> 01:51:18,392
the same amount of distance

3189
01:51:23,733 --> 01:51:24,467
apart. Ladies and gentleman.

3190
01:51:24,467 --> 01:51:25,502
Council is going to finish his

3191
01:51:25,502 --> 01:51:27,902
statement on a interrupted,

3192
01:51:31,575 --> 01:51:33,276
please. So going through this

3193
01:51:33,276 --> 01:51:34,100
process, I've had hosted

3194
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:34,844
public meetings. Whitehead 100

3195
01:51:34,844 --> 01:51:37,244
people show up. The

3196
01:51:38,448 --> 01:51:38,982
petitioners have come and

3197
01:51:38,982 --> 01:51:39,583
again comparing and

3198
01:51:39,583 --> 01:51:41,284
contrasting some of the

3199
01:51:41,284 --> 01:51:43,118
experience I've had the

3200
01:51:43,118 --> 01:51:43,787
ability to ask questions to

3201
01:51:43,787 --> 01:51:44,521
the petitioner in this case

3202
01:51:44,521 --> 01:51:46,522
for us is what I've had in the

3203
01:51:46,522 --> 01:51:47,290
past has been a very seamless

3204
01:51:47,290 --> 01:51:50,560
process. If I sent an email

3205
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:51,228
phone call a text, it was

3206
01:51:51,228 --> 01:51:51,928
answered very quickly. They

3207
01:51:51,928 --> 01:51:53,964
had no problem coming down

3208
01:51:53,964 --> 01:51:54,631
here. They had no problem

3209
01:51:54,631 --> 01:51:57,200
taking people out to their

3210
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:58,301
sites to see it, which leads

3211
01:51:58,301 --> 01:52:00,937
me to my example of of I went

3212
01:52:00,937 --> 01:52:01,605
out to Atlanta to see the site

3213
01:52:01,605 --> 01:52:04,574
and I took a decibel meter

3214
01:52:04,574 --> 01:52:05,309
with me and I did that with

3215
01:52:05,309 --> 01:52:08,145
intent. Now, albeit it was one

3216
01:52:08,145 --> 01:52:11,414
I got off of Amazon, right? So

3217
01:52:11,414 --> 01:52:12,984
it was like $30 winter. But my

3218
01:52:12,984 --> 01:52:13,651
theory being if I use that

3219
01:52:13,651 --> 01:52:14,718
same meter and every single

3220
01:52:14,718 --> 01:52:18,555
place that I go, meaning I did

3221
01:52:18,555 --> 01:52:21,225
it at the site in Atlanta at

3222
01:52:21,225 --> 01:52:24,225
various stages from the the 75

3223
01:52:26,330 --> 01:52:26,898
feet 150 feet and 475 feet. I

3224
01:52:26,898 --> 01:52:29,367
also did it in active

3225
01:52:29,367 --> 01:52:30,968
construction zone in Atlanta.

3226
01:52:30,968 --> 01:52:33,305
And I also didn't back here at

3227
01:52:33,305 --> 01:52:33,971
my house. I did at Lincoln

3228
01:52:33,971 --> 01:52:34,572
School and I did it in the

3229
01:52:34,572 --> 01:52:36,972
active area without the

3230
01:52:37,441 --> 01:52:38,109
development. What I was able

3231
01:52:38,109 --> 01:52:39,577
to find by learning through

3232
01:52:39,577 --> 01:52:43,177
that experience is that on the

3233
01:52:45,116 --> 01:52:45,816
meter itself? A day in my

3234
01:52:45,816 --> 01:52:47,318
backyard on a Saturday and I

3235
01:52:47,318 --> 01:52:49,153
live in a regular suburban

3236
01:52:49,153 --> 01:52:50,870
neighborhood on a day a

3237
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:52,590
Saturday night in my backyard.

3238
01:52:52,590 --> 01:52:53,224
It was 58 decibels. Birds

3239
01:52:53,224 --> 01:52:55,326
chirp and kids playing to

3240
01:52:55,326 --> 01:52:58,863
those sorts of things. So when

3241
01:52:58,863 --> 01:52:59,864
I went to the site itself, it

3242
01:52:59,864 --> 01:53:02,660
was up to 70 75 decibels. What

3243
01:53:02,660 --> 01:53:06,266
I want to the school. It was

3244
01:53:08,105 --> 01:53:08,739
65. At the time. I had a

3245
01:53:08,739 --> 01:53:09,307
business before the sound

3246
01:53:09,307 --> 01:53:09,974
studies came out. The

3247
01:53:09,974 --> 01:53:10,675
conclusion that, wow, it's

3248
01:53:10,675 --> 01:53:12,143
gonna be really hard. Just to

3249
01:53:12,143 --> 01:53:14,178
hit 65 again. Chief decibel

3250
01:53:14,178 --> 01:53:14,879
meters. But I tell you this

3251
01:53:14,879 --> 01:53:15,580
story because I'm I'm putting

3252
01:53:15,580 --> 01:53:16,747
in the work to try and learn

3253
01:53:16,747 --> 01:53:19,747
about the development on the

3254
01:53:20,985 --> 01:53:23,521
impact. Also put up to very

3255
01:53:23,521 --> 01:53:24,222
long memos that I submitted

3256
01:53:24,222 --> 01:53:25,356
prior to the hearing examiner

3257
01:53:25,356 --> 01:53:29,327
that you all had for a long

3258
01:53:29,327 --> 01:53:30,895
time now. And that was a lot

3259
01:53:30,895 --> 01:53:32,163
of finding that I looked into

3260
01:53:32,163 --> 01:53:32,864
2 main things. The primary

3261
01:53:32,864 --> 01:53:35,867
thing was the site itself and

3262
01:53:35,867 --> 01:53:36,735
where it sits as well as the

3263
01:53:36,735 --> 01:53:37,468
school's relation to that,

3264
01:53:37,468 --> 01:53:40,338
because I think there's 2 main

3265
01:53:40,338 --> 01:53:41,720
things that are probably the

3266
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:43,341
highest objection here. One is

3267
01:53:43,341 --> 01:53:43,975
the school to is the noise. I

3268
01:53:43,975 --> 01:53:44,509
think the noise has been

3269
01:53:44,509 --> 01:53:45,877
settled through the

3270
01:53:45,877 --> 01:53:47,613
conversations I've had with

3271
01:53:47,613 --> 01:53:49,810
how they're going get a lot of

3272
01:53:49,810 --> 01:53:49,781
that. The school on the other

3273
01:53:49,781 --> 01:53:52,651
hand, I think it was approved

3274
01:53:52,651 --> 01:53:53,919
for the recent changes to

3275
01:53:53,919 --> 01:53:56,621
eliminate a building and moved

3276
01:53:56,621 --> 01:53:57,623
back even farther 800 feet

3277
01:53:57,623 --> 01:53:58,323
away. But what was most

3278
01:53:58,323 --> 01:53:59,240
important in those memos? And

3279
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,560
I want to make sure I say for

3280
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,560
the record. Is that that

3281
01:54:05,970 --> 01:54:05,797
school moved in in when the

3282
01:54:05,797 --> 01:54:09,397
forward Vist tm plant was in

3283
01:54:09,501 --> 01:54:10,202
Operation. And so it didn't

3284
01:54:10,202 --> 01:54:11,270
move. The school didn't come

3285
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:11,970
when it was all Greenfield.

3286
01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:13,672
Nothing else there. They knew

3287
01:54:13,672 --> 01:54:16,672
when they moved into that

3288
01:54:17,342 --> 01:54:19,244
location that it's next to an

3289
01:54:19,244 --> 01:54:19,945
industrial area. And there I

3290
01:54:19,945 --> 01:54:20,611
mean, that that unity medals,

3291
01:54:20,611 --> 01:54:21,480
that the Kroger Bakery, all

3292
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:24,249
those things were there when

3293
01:54:24,249 --> 01:54:27,849
that school moved in and going

3294
01:54:27,953 --> 01:54:29,187
back to the current petition

3295
01:54:29,187 --> 01:54:31,155
what's coming in now and what

3296
01:54:31,155 --> 01:54:35,355
I've seen on site is a very

3297
01:54:35,527 --> 01:54:36,194
benign structure. My gut

3298
01:54:36,194 --> 01:54:36,895
feeling when I walked up to

3299
01:54:36,895 --> 01:54:40,432
this thing, I looked at them

3300
01:54:40,432 --> 01:54:42,734
and I said this is it. This is

3301
01:54:42,734 --> 01:54:44,336
the building. I walked inside

3302
01:54:44,336 --> 01:54:45,370
the building and and it is

3303
01:54:45,370 --> 01:54:46,705
really an edge note facility.

3304
01:54:46,705 --> 01:54:47,607
There is no doubt about that.

3305
01:54:47,607 --> 01:54:51,376
And I tell you this from a

3306
01:54:51,376 --> 01:54:52,210
position of expertise. I've

3307
01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:52,879
worked in it for my entire

3308
01:54:52,879 --> 01:54:53,546
career. I have a degree in

3309
01:54:53,546 --> 01:54:55,946
programming. I have another

3310
01:54:56,982 --> 01:54:57,849
degree in it. I am expert in

3311
01:54:57,849 --> 01:54:59,719
the field. I've toward

3312
01:54:59,719 --> 01:55:01,719
multiple datacenters outside

3313
01:55:01,921 --> 01:55:02,922
of this one and other

3314
01:55:02,922 --> 01:55:05,910
petitions. I've toward data

3315
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:06,992
center factories. I'm very

3316
01:55:06,992 --> 01:55:07,593
fun. A fluent to what is going

3317
01:55:07,593 --> 01:55:10,593
on with these types of

3318
01:55:12,365 --> 01:55:13,333
developments. Inside the data

3319
01:55:13,333 --> 01:55:15,733
center itself. I was

3320
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:17,804
registering 65 decibels. And

3321
01:55:17,804 --> 01:55:18,504
why it's an edge. No

3322
01:55:18,504 --> 01:55:20,607
facilities. Because this is a

3323
01:55:20,607 --> 01:55:22,709
co-location again, not a hyper

3324
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:23,443
scalers the way they designed

3325
01:55:23,443 --> 01:55:25,812
the building is on the

3326
01:55:25,812 --> 01:55:28,513
perimeter of it is where we

3327
01:55:28,513 --> 01:55:29,215
have the where they have the

3328
01:55:29,215 --> 01:55:29,849
infrastructure where they're

3329
01:55:29,849 --> 01:55:30,917
bringing in the fiber and

3330
01:55:30,917 --> 01:55:31,584
creating that redundancy for

3331
01:55:31,584 --> 01:55:32,719
any particular user in the

3332
01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:35,719
center of that building. Very

3333
01:55:37,390 --> 01:55:38,424
unique design. They are

3334
01:55:38,424 --> 01:55:40,526
providing redundancy on fiber

3335
01:55:40,526 --> 01:55:41,194
optic networks by having that

3336
01:55:41,194 --> 01:55:43,194
perimeter operations inside

3337
01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:48,736
the building. As I look

3338
01:55:48,736 --> 01:55:49,301
through this and this process,

3339
01:55:49,301 --> 01:55:50,270
I've taken things

3340
01:55:50,270 --> 01:55:52,670
consideration like the noise,

3341
01:55:53,773 --> 01:55:55,241
the dust you know, I've been

3342
01:55:55,241 --> 01:55:56,740
here through the entire

3343
01:55:56,740 --> 01:55:57,810
development of Thunder bird

3344
01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:59,112
from monarch to where it is

3345
01:55:59,112 --> 01:56:01,512
now. And there's been 0.

3346
01:56:03,383 --> 01:56:04,317
Vermont runs for dust. Not on

3347
01:56:04,317 --> 01:56:06,286
dandy, not on Monarch

3348
01:56:06,286 --> 01:56:06,886
Logistics facility. Not not

3349
01:56:06,886 --> 01:56:09,886
win. Even Louth was was

3350
01:56:10,156 --> 01:56:11,926
preparing the site 0

3351
01:56:11,926 --> 01:56:14,326
Remonstrance and I'm I'm

3352
01:56:14,495 --> 01:56:15,428
convinced that the the the

3353
01:56:15,428 --> 01:56:17,731
main issue here is just the

3354
01:56:17,731 --> 01:56:18,432
name data center, right? It's

3355
01:56:18,432 --> 01:56:20,701
it's a lot of the unknown of

3356
01:56:20,701 --> 01:56:21,368
what it actually is going on

3357
01:56:21,368 --> 01:56:23,768
inside that building inside

3358
01:56:24,904 --> 01:56:25,539
the building is. Service

3359
01:56:25,539 --> 01:56:28,539
servers are all over the

3360
01:56:28,909 --> 01:56:29,610
place. I mean, we've got a man

3361
01:56:29,610 --> 01:56:31,579
business operations. They are

3362
01:56:31,579 --> 01:56:33,313
required for our daily lives

3363
01:56:33,313 --> 01:56:33,980
of this at this point,

3364
01:56:33,980 --> 01:56:36,950
operation of how we we live

3365
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:40,321
in, we work. With that last

3366
01:56:40,321 --> 01:56:41,354
piece that I look at is. The

3367
01:56:41,354 --> 01:56:42,220
commitment back to the

3368
01:56:42,220 --> 01:56:43,991
community. What is this gif

3369
01:56:43,991 --> 01:56:46,894
with this really going? What

3370
01:56:46,894 --> 01:56:47,760
would provide benefits one?

3371
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:48,429
You know, there's been the

3372
01:56:48,429 --> 01:56:50,829
complaint about there's not

3373
01:56:51,799 --> 01:56:52,499
enough jobs. Listen, this

3374
01:56:52,499 --> 01:56:54,899
entire site development, not

3375
01:56:55,836 --> 01:56:56,503
just one site. And so we've

3376
01:56:56,503 --> 01:56:58,903
already got they've got 600

3377
01:56:59,940 --> 01:57:00,908
and some trucks coming in. To

3378
01:57:00,908 --> 01:57:03,908
that site. They've already got

3379
01:57:04,780 --> 01:57:06,280
1000 employees in there. If

3380
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:08,182
sitting in site developer,

3381
01:57:08,182 --> 01:57:09,383
shoes I'm looking at how do I

3382
01:57:09,383 --> 01:57:10,840
make sure that I'm having

3383
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,286
adequate site control in the

3384
01:57:12,286 --> 01:57:13,454
operations of vehicles coming

3385
01:57:13,454 --> 01:57:16,190
in and out of this entire

3386
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:17,230
site. Not just the one there.

3387
01:57:17,230 --> 01:57:18,250
They have to think about the

3388
01:57:18,250 --> 01:57:18,659
safety of that. They have to

3389
01:57:18,659 --> 01:57:21,659
think about the amount of

3390
01:57:22,429 --> 01:57:23,630
people there and there's not

3391
01:57:23,630 --> 01:57:23,830
MISS Out thing. There's a

3392
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:25,650
negative to it having a little

3393
01:57:25,650 --> 01:57:25,766
amount of jobs and they've

3394
01:57:25,766 --> 01:57:28,166
already provided 1000 jobs in

3395
01:57:29,136 --> 01:57:30,370
the entire site. What I'm

3396
01:57:30,370 --> 01:57:32,406
proud of is the agreement that

3397
01:57:32,406 --> 01:57:36,600
they have with the the union

3398
01:57:36,277 --> 01:57:37,512
because as another distinct

3399
01:57:37,512 --> 01:57:38,512
difference from the first time

3400
01:57:38,512 --> 01:57:39,647
ahead, Google come through

3401
01:57:39,647 --> 01:57:41,448
here. There was no Google or

3402
01:57:41,448 --> 01:57:42,149
there was no Union agreement.

3403
01:57:42,149 --> 01:57:44,719
So I'm very proud to see that

3404
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:45,419
I'm very supportive of that

3405
01:57:45,419 --> 01:57:46,620
and I wouldn't be supportive

3406
01:57:46,620 --> 01:57:47,289
of the project it wasn't

3407
01:57:47,289 --> 01:57:50,259
there, that that that was a

3408
01:57:50,259 --> 01:57:50,926
must for me beyond that, it

3409
01:57:50,926 --> 01:57:54,696
is. We are in a place right

3410
01:57:54,696 --> 01:57:55,362
now on the council. We just we

3411
01:57:55,362 --> 01:57:56,630
we just had a real tax come

3412
01:57:56,630 --> 01:57:58,400
through our proposal for will

3413
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,168
tax come through because those

3414
01:58:00,168 --> 01:58:00,835
were doing a lot in relation

3415
01:58:00,835 --> 01:58:04,439
to send an act bill one and

3416
01:58:04,439 --> 01:58:05,106
so. As a counselor, I've got

3417
01:58:05,106 --> 01:58:07,475
to think about the tax base

3418
01:58:07,475 --> 01:58:08,176
coming to Indianapolis Wright.

3419
01:58:08,176 --> 01:58:10,679
Is it going to we're going to

3420
01:58:10,679 --> 01:58:11,379
ask more people for it or are

3421
01:58:11,379 --> 01:58:14,379
we going to have development

3422
01:58:14,815 --> 01:58:16,718
pay that tax base? What this

3423
01:58:16,718 --> 01:58:17,385
type of development provides

3424
01:58:17,385 --> 01:58:19,785
is 30 million dollars in 10

3425
01:58:20,210 --> 01:58:22,900
years under abatement. You

3426
01:58:22,900 --> 01:58:24,125
can't find that in another

3427
01:58:24,125 --> 01:58:25,126
tight pick, a warehouse,

3428
01:58:25,126 --> 01:58:26,394
structure type like this and

3429
01:58:26,394 --> 01:58:27,280
you won't get that type of tax

3430
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:30,280
base. We have to consider

3431
01:58:30,398 --> 01:58:31,365
those types of things. But of

3432
01:58:31,365 --> 01:58:33,168
that 30 million 10 million

3433
01:58:33,168 --> 01:58:36,168
goes to the school corporation

3434
01:58:36,238 --> 01:58:36,937
to Warren Township School

3435
01:58:36,937 --> 01:58:39,337
Corporation. That's a million

3436
01:58:40,976 --> 01:58:43,144
dollars a year. You can look

3437
01:58:43,144 --> 01:58:44,790
across the city of Minneapolis

3438
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:44,713
across 8 in the app and

3439
01:58:44,713 --> 01:58:45,946
Indiana. And you're gonna

3440
01:58:45,946 --> 01:58:46,548
start to see. We are already

3441
01:58:46,548 --> 01:58:48,817
seeing the request for

3442
01:58:48,817 --> 01:58:50,619
referendums in response to

3443
01:58:50,619 --> 01:58:53,755
Senate Bill one. So we have to

3444
01:58:53,755 --> 01:58:54,356
find other mechanisms to try

3445
01:58:54,356 --> 01:58:56,558
and support the school

3446
01:58:56,558 --> 01:58:57,292
funding. This does that the

3447
01:58:57,292 --> 01:58:59,327
other piece goes back to that.

3448
01:58:59,327 --> 01:59:00,996
If I was talking about this

3449
01:59:00,996 --> 01:59:01,697
puts roughly 10 million

3450
01:59:01,697 --> 01:59:03,566
dollars in it. If that stays

3451
01:59:03,566 --> 01:59:05,534
in the district again. And

3452
01:59:05,534 --> 01:59:07,235
it's not even district 20, to

3453
01:59:07,235 --> 01:59:10,235
be honest, it's his district,

3454
01:59:11,674 --> 01:59:13,775
14 that it stays All that is

3455
01:59:13,775 --> 01:59:14,477
going to go right back to

3456
01:59:14,477 --> 01:59:15,144
where people live to make the

3457
01:59:15,144 --> 01:59:16,778
improvements on the roads,

3458
01:59:16,778 --> 01:59:18,314
driving the plaza to the

3459
01:59:18,314 --> 01:59:18,981
parks. That's a positive thing

3460
01:59:18,981 --> 01:59:20,983
that wouldn't happen if the

3461
01:59:20,983 --> 01:59:21,617
development didn't happen. And

3462
01:59:21,617 --> 01:59:22,318
there are other types of

3463
01:59:22,318 --> 01:59:24,718
development that could happen

3464
01:59:25,721 --> 01:59:27,456
here like. Chemical facilities

3465
01:59:27,456 --> 01:59:30,590
are unapproved use under I 3

3466
01:59:30,590 --> 01:59:30,893
today which I am 100%

3467
01:59:30,893 --> 01:59:32,270
convinced are more invasive

3468
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:32,695
than what this type of

3469
01:59:32,695 --> 01:59:35,695
development is. But even on

3470
01:59:36,299 --> 01:59:36,999
that. Their community impact

3471
01:59:36,999 --> 01:59:38,134
payments, right? What they're

3472
01:59:38,134 --> 01:59:38,834
talking about doing with the

3473
01:59:38,834 --> 01:59:39,569
school that I mentioned

3474
01:59:39,569 --> 01:59:40,269
earlier with with winds there,

3475
01:59:40,269 --> 01:59:43,306
what we're trying to do with

3476
01:59:43,306 --> 01:59:44,600
that hopefully that works out.

3477
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,775
If not, there's still 2 and a

3478
01:59:46,775 --> 01:59:48,979
half million dollars to go

3479
01:59:48,979 --> 01:59:50,446
towards building 3rd spaces to

3480
01:59:50,446 --> 01:59:51,113
bring in the type of

3481
01:59:51,113 --> 01:59:51,714
programmatic activity that

3482
01:59:51,714 --> 01:59:54,114
leads to more positive

3483
01:59:54,584 --> 01:59:55,785
outcomes on the east side. I

3484
01:59:55,785 --> 01:59:57,552
can tell you from of sitting

3485
01:59:57,552 --> 01:59:58,621
in those seats where I'm on my

3486
01:59:58,621 --> 01:59:59,222
counselor side getting 2 and a

3487
01:59:59,222 --> 01:59:59,889
half million dollars to

3488
01:59:59,889 --> 02:00:02,889
district 20 is a very hard

3489
02:00:02,925 --> 02:00:03,893
thing to do. And then finally

3490
02:00:03,893 --> 02:00:04,627
on the other the Washington

3491
02:00:04,627 --> 02:00:07,627
Square Mall. I mean, that's

3492
02:00:08,764 --> 02:00:10,199
that's what I have been asked

3493
02:00:10,199 --> 02:00:10,900
to solve as a counselor from

3494
02:00:10,900 --> 02:00:12,735
the time I campaigned has to

3495
02:00:12,735 --> 02:00:15,735
be the counselor. I've been

3496
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,400
working very diligently for my

3497
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:18,975
entire term redo this mall in

3498
02:00:18,975 --> 02:00:21,210
some fashion. We are getting

3499
02:00:21,210 --> 02:00:23,610
very close. To positive

3500
02:00:24,513 --> 02:00:25,514
outcomes and this project

3501
02:00:25,514 --> 02:00:27,914
itself will add 5 million

3502
02:00:27,984 --> 02:00:29,753
dollars to an opportunity to

3503
02:00:29,753 --> 02:00:31,921
improve the Washington Square

3504
02:00:31,921 --> 02:00:33,123
Mall with which gives me the

3505
02:00:33,123 --> 02:00:33,789
ability to attract other

3506
02:00:33,789 --> 02:00:35,659
dollars through grants and

3507
02:00:35,659 --> 02:00:36,960
through investors that I

3508
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:38,940
wouldn't have otherwise to

3509
02:00:38,940 --> 02:00:38,829
complete my objective of what

3510
02:00:38,829 --> 02:00:42,429
I promised. The people I would

3511
02:00:43,399 --> 02:00:44,101
work on. So. With that the

3512
02:00:44,101 --> 02:00:48,301
last piece will say is on the

3513
02:00:48,338 --> 02:00:49,390
whole boom or bust thing I

3514
02:00:49,390 --> 02:00:49,806
have. I'm not convinced that

3515
02:00:49,806 --> 02:00:52,806
there is bus coming anytime

3516
02:00:53,443 --> 02:00:54,440
soon on ai. In fact, I still

3517
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:54,844
think we're in the very

3518
02:00:54,844 --> 02:00:57,844
beginning phase of this. And

3519
02:01:00,651 --> 02:01:02,786
I'll tell you why. So what The

3520
02:01:02,786 --> 02:01:04,555
normal. People are looking at.

3521
02:01:04,555 --> 02:01:05,255
Silicon manufactures. So

3522
02:01:05,255 --> 02:01:07,257
silicon manufacturers are the

3523
02:01:07,257 --> 02:01:07,925
people that make your cp using

3524
02:01:07,925 --> 02:01:10,160
your and there are the ones

3525
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:10,794
that are powering all that the

3526
02:01:10,794 --> 02:01:13,794
servers that run the data

3527
02:01:14,965 --> 02:01:17,000
centers now in we see there

3528
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:19,680
running out of supply and

3529
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,138
they're shifting their units

3530
02:01:21,138 --> 02:01:24,700
from end user units to server

3531
02:01:24,700 --> 02:01:25,750
units that is showing a huge

3532
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:25,741
demand shift over to that

3533
02:01:25,741 --> 02:01:27,210
product line. Bush tells us

3534
02:01:27,210 --> 02:01:29,546
that there's only more and

3535
02:01:29,546 --> 02:01:30,414
more use. We are only at the

3536
02:01:30,414 --> 02:01:33,414
first phase of this. We're

3537
02:01:34,318 --> 02:01:37,254
only at the large. Essentially

3538
02:01:37,254 --> 02:01:38,289
hyperscale phase where we're

3539
02:01:38,289 --> 02:01:40,424
companies like meta, Google

3540
02:01:40,424 --> 02:01:41,426
aws. Those folks are the ones

3541
02:01:41,426 --> 02:01:44,228
that are building right now.

3542
02:01:44,228 --> 02:01:45,296
We haven't got to the

3543
02:01:45,296 --> 02:01:46,296
enterprise layer yet, which

3544
02:01:46,296 --> 02:01:47,265
are the applications that we

3545
02:01:47,265 --> 02:01:48,565
use on our daily lives. The

3546
02:01:48,565 --> 02:01:49,233
canvas, the Quickbooks and all

3547
02:01:49,233 --> 02:01:49,834
those sorts of things. When

3548
02:01:49,834 --> 02:01:52,169
you start seeing the ai

3549
02:01:52,169 --> 02:01:52,904
features integrated into that,

3550
02:01:52,904 --> 02:01:53,870
they're going to start running

3551
02:01:53,870 --> 02:01:54,571
their own servers, their own.

3552
02:01:54,571 --> 02:01:55,707
We're close. They're going to

3553
02:01:55,707 --> 02:01:58,443
start leasing out space and

3554
02:01:58,443 --> 02:01:59,677
then you're going to start

3555
02:01:59,677 --> 02:02:00,410
getting into small medium

3556
02:02:00,410 --> 02:02:01,646
enterprise businesses that are

3557
02:02:01,646 --> 02:02:05,246
going to run their own. We're

3558
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:06,500
only at the very beginning

3559
02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:06,751
this structure I am convinced

3560
02:02:06,751 --> 02:02:09,554
will be here for a long time.

3561
02:02:09,554 --> 02:02:10,521
I think it will be a product

3562
02:02:10,521 --> 02:02:11,856
that will produce a lot of

3563
02:02:11,856 --> 02:02:12,490
revenue for the city of

3564
02:02:12,490 --> 02:02:13,570
Indianapolis and a lot of

3565
02:02:13,570 --> 02:02:15,570
positive outcome and

3566
02:02:15,526 --> 02:02:16,894
charitable distributions.

3567
02:02:16,894 --> 02:02:17,528
Going forward and MR. CHAIRMAN

3568
02:02:17,528 --> 02:02:20,198
members of the board, I'm

3569
02:02:20,198 --> 02:02:22,598
supportive of this project.

3570
02:02:24,135 --> 02:02:27,135
Thank you. Russians down We're

3571
02:02:27,438 --> 02:02:31,380
not going to do this. We're

3572
02:02:31,376 --> 02:02:34,976
not going to do this. We're

3573
02:02:35,179 --> 02:02:37,448
not going to do this. Members

3574
02:02:37,448 --> 02:02:39,448
of commission questions

3575
02:02:43,221 --> 02:02:45,621
Councilor hurt. Cancer. Thank

3576
02:02:50,328 --> 02:02:50,995
you for being here. Appreciate

3577
02:02:50,995 --> 02:02:53,395
Thank you. PRESIDENT Dylan,

3578
02:02:54,999 --> 02:02:57,680
the members of the commission.

3579
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:57,769
The matter before you includes

3580
02:02:57,769 --> 02:03:00,769
2 petitions or to request one

3581
02:03:01,407 --> 02:03:02,508
is supply at. And that has

3582
02:03:02,508 --> 02:03:05,109
been explain to you briefly,

3583
02:03:05,109 --> 02:03:05,777
the other part of that is a

3584
02:03:05,777 --> 02:03:08,514
variance of use as well as

3585
02:03:08,514 --> 02:03:10,515
development standards. Like to

3586
02:03:10,515 --> 02:03:12,984
get rid of earth like to talk

3587
02:03:12,984 --> 02:03:14,820
about the plant itself. As you

3588
02:03:14,820 --> 02:03:17,220
know, plats are ministerial

3589
02:03:18,457 --> 02:03:19,230
that if they meet the certain

3590
02:03:19,230 --> 02:03:19,891
standards with in the

3591
02:03:19,891 --> 02:03:22,891
ordinance, it has to be

3592
02:03:26,999 --> 02:03:27,633
approved. And those conditions

3593
02:03:27,633 --> 02:03:30,633
that staff is included as

3594
02:03:32,404 --> 02:03:34,390
staffs report on Page 52 53.

3595
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:35,908
There is also a motion. If you

3596
02:03:35,908 --> 02:03:37,209
choose to approve the staff,

3597
02:03:37,209 --> 02:03:39,111
the plat, there's a motion on

3598
02:03:39,111 --> 02:03:41,511
Page. 52, the staff would

3599
02:03:43,716 --> 02:03:46,716
recommend using. The other. To

3600
02:03:49,255 --> 02:03:49,955
call out the other. Petition.

3601
02:03:49,955 --> 02:03:52,423
Request is a variance of use

3602
02:03:52,423 --> 02:03:53,726
and development standards.

3603
02:03:53,726 --> 02:03:55,894
There's been a lot of

3604
02:03:55,894 --> 02:03:57,696
discussion on the variance of

3605
02:03:57,696 --> 02:03:58,497
use, but staff would like to

3606
02:03:58,497 --> 02:03:59,198
just briefly mentioned the

3607
02:03:59,198 --> 02:04:00,699
development standard that was

3608
02:04:00,699 --> 02:04:03,990
being requested. Is a

3609
02:04:04,670 --> 02:04:05,804
reduction in parking for

3610
02:04:05,804 --> 02:04:07,606
industrial uses. And again, it

3611
02:04:07,606 --> 02:04:09,241
presents an issue in terms of

3612
02:04:09,241 --> 02:04:11,377
trying to determine exactly

3613
02:04:11,377 --> 02:04:14,377
what those requirements are in

3614
02:04:14,915 --> 02:04:15,848
terms of parking because this

3615
02:04:15,848 --> 02:04:17,616
is not use. It has been

3616
02:04:17,616 --> 02:04:20,160
contemplated in the ordinance.

3617
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:26,191
But they are reducing. The the

3618
02:04:26,191 --> 02:04:28,591
number of required parking

3619
02:04:29,895 --> 02:04:31,864
spaces from 330 down to no

3620
02:04:31,864 --> 02:04:34,733
more or no less than 100

3621
02:04:34,733 --> 02:04:35,434
parking spaces. Staff support

3622
02:04:35,434 --> 02:04:39,400
system. Reason why is what it

3623
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:40,840
does is it it decreases the

3624
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,840
amount of hard surface and

3625
02:04:44,577 --> 02:04:45,879
pavement that is required and

3626
02:04:45,879 --> 02:04:46,513
it increases them land that

3627
02:04:46,513 --> 02:04:49,490
can be used for different

3628
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:51,449
other different uses, which

3629
02:04:51,718 --> 02:04:53,718
would include buffering

3630
02:04:53,719 --> 02:04:55,989
transitional yards and maybe

3631
02:04:55,989 --> 02:04:56,656
some other industrial uses.

3632
02:04:56,656 --> 02:04:59,125
And for for those reasons,

3633
02:04:59,125 --> 02:05:00,961
staff is recommending approval

3634
02:05:00,961 --> 02:05:01,595
of that development statement

3635
02:05:01,595 --> 02:05:03,995
and reduction of parking

3636
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:09,690
spaces. The other part of the

3637
02:05:09,690 --> 02:05:09,936
variance request relates to a

3638
02:05:09,936 --> 02:05:10,770
variance of use. And you've

3639
02:05:10,770 --> 02:05:12,806
heard a lot about that. And

3640
02:05:12,806 --> 02:05:15,806
that's the 5 criteria that is

3641
02:05:18,511 --> 02:05:19,145
required. To prove the

3642
02:05:19,145 --> 02:05:22,145
variants of you should be

3643
02:05:23,617 --> 02:05:24,351
granted. The first one talks

3644
02:05:24,351 --> 02:05:26,620
about the public health safety

3645
02:05:26,620 --> 02:05:29,200
and general welfare general,

3646
02:05:31,910 --> 02:05:31,758
where fit welfare staff

3647
02:05:31,758 --> 02:05:32,424
believes that the proposed

3648
02:05:32,424 --> 02:05:34,824
commitments that have been

3649
02:05:34,861 --> 02:05:35,528
submitted and they have been

3650
02:05:35,528 --> 02:05:39,128
ended a number of times to

3651
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:40,834
respond to. Concerns have been

3652
02:05:40,834 --> 02:05:41,668
raised directly, regulate

3653
02:05:41,668 --> 02:05:42,569
those operational

3654
02:05:42,569 --> 02:05:44,969
characteristics of the data

3655
02:05:45,805 --> 02:05:47,340
center. The campus. That

3656
02:05:47,340 --> 02:05:49,340
includes Sojourner 8 are

3657
02:05:50,911 --> 02:05:51,578
testing hours. The sound level

3658
02:05:51,578 --> 02:05:53,280
and the buffering of the

3659
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:55,680
screening that they are

3660
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:58,653
providing as well as

3661
02:05:58,653 --> 02:06:01,530
insulating those generators to

3662
02:06:01,923 --> 02:06:04,323
minimize the sound. They've

3663
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:06,920
also committed to 2 finding or

3664
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:08,920
funding electrical

3665
02:06:11,298 --> 02:06:12,300
infrastructure. And that would

3666
02:06:12,300 --> 02:06:15,300
ensure the associated cost not

3667
02:06:15,836 --> 02:06:18,139
borne by local rate payers.

3668
02:06:18,139 --> 02:06:19,874
They also provided and

3669
02:06:19,874 --> 02:06:20,575
conducted the trip generation.

3670
02:06:20,575 --> 02:06:22,109
And again, this gets back to

3671
02:06:22,109 --> 02:06:24,177
the use as a data center that

3672
02:06:24,177 --> 02:06:27,177
when it is completed, there's

3673
02:06:27,415 --> 02:06:30,918
going to be fewer. Trips to

3674
02:06:30,918 --> 02:06:32,453
that data center. There are

3675
02:06:32,453 --> 02:06:33,421
fewer employees. There would

3676
02:06:33,421 --> 02:06:34,755
be security there with the

3677
02:06:34,755 --> 02:06:35,423
technical people. There would

3678
02:06:35,423 --> 02:06:37,423
be maintenance. Basically.

3679
02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:38,793
Those are the 3 categories of

3680
02:06:38,793 --> 02:06:42,393
people that will going to this

3681
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:46,801
data center. And as has been

3682
02:06:46,801 --> 02:06:49,201
mentioned, watch has happened

3683
02:06:50,337 --> 02:06:52,341
when with this reduction is

3684
02:06:52,341 --> 02:06:53,410
this now 72% reduction in the

3685
02:06:53,410 --> 02:06:56,410
total daily trips that would

3686
02:06:57,845 --> 02:07:01,282
be going to this site 7 also

3687
02:07:01,282 --> 02:07:04,282
and with that staff would

3688
02:07:05,386 --> 02:07:06,120
notice that. Traffic that is

3689
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,656
going to be generated is going

3690
02:07:08,656 --> 02:07:11,125
to be more internal. Tale

3691
02:07:11,125 --> 02:07:14,128
drive is a private street and

3692
02:07:14,128 --> 02:07:16,265
it access is from English

3693
02:07:16,265 --> 02:07:18,633
Avenue. So most of the traffic

3694
02:07:18,633 --> 02:07:21,360
it's going to be from English

3695
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:24,360
Avenue into Fentayl Drive. So

3696
02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:25,840
the impact of the traffic by

3697
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:28,840
this development is going to

3698
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:33,615
be minimal. Staff. Also

3699
02:07:33,615 --> 02:07:34,616
believes again that watch has

3700
02:07:34,616 --> 02:07:37,160
been proposes terms of

3701
02:07:38,787 --> 02:07:40,289
commitments does protect. Does

3702
02:07:40,289 --> 02:07:41,890
not create any unregulated or

3703
02:07:41,890 --> 02:07:44,290
unchecked impact on public

3704
02:07:51,233 --> 02:07:52,633
health. On adjacent property

3705
02:07:52,633 --> 02:07:54,469
impacts again, there's been a

3706
02:07:54,469 --> 02:07:55,203
lot of discussion about this,

3707
02:07:55,203 --> 02:07:57,706
the school. And I just like to

3708
02:07:57,706 --> 02:07:59,708
mention that the Pence he

3709
02:07:59,708 --> 02:08:01,510
trail it separates this

3710
02:08:01,510 --> 02:08:03,579
property from the school and

3711
02:08:03,579 --> 02:08:04,947
that Pence, the trail is 80

3712
02:08:04,947 --> 02:08:06,848
feet wide. And then there's

3713
02:08:06,848 --> 02:08:09,248
also that buffering. There's

3714
02:08:09,351 --> 02:08:11,751
easement along that northern

3715
02:08:11,954 --> 02:08:12,654
portion of that and then has

3716
02:08:12,654 --> 02:08:13,789
been mention those buildings

3717
02:08:13,789 --> 02:08:14,523
are going to be south of that.

3718
02:08:14,523 --> 02:08:18,293
So there's going to be a total

3719
02:08:18,293 --> 02:08:20,693
of 800 and 17th approximately

3720
02:08:21,630 --> 02:08:21,697
817 treat separation from the

3721
02:08:21,697 --> 02:08:24,970
protected district to the

3722
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:29,538
North. Staff are also again,

3723
02:08:29,538 --> 02:08:30,205
about the traffic and where

3724
02:08:30,205 --> 02:08:33,205
that's going to how that's

3725
02:08:35,544 --> 02:08:36,211
going to be handled. The

3726
02:08:36,211 --> 02:08:36,879
uniqueness of the property.

3727
02:08:36,879 --> 02:08:39,514
And again, it gets back to

3728
02:08:39,514 --> 02:08:42,514
this is redevelopment of the

3729
02:08:42,751 --> 02:08:45,751
property that was. Was used

3730
02:08:45,754 --> 02:08:48,154
for heavy manufacturing over

3731
02:08:48,323 --> 02:08:50,723
272 acres years ago and

3732
02:08:52,362 --> 02:08:53,620
because of that. How it was

3733
02:08:53,620 --> 02:08:55,632
has been developed and how it

3734
02:08:55,632 --> 02:08:58,320
has now. Return to

3735
02:08:59,903 --> 02:09:00,636
redevelopment of that. It

3736
02:09:00,636 --> 02:09:04,236
creates an issue because it is

3737
02:09:04,841 --> 02:09:06,841
being. Discussed about

3738
02:09:06,976 --> 02:09:08,440
industrial uses. And we and

3739
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,440
been mentioned that a data

3740
02:09:11,314 --> 02:09:12,150
center does not really have a

3741
02:09:12,150 --> 02:09:13,516
definition in our ordinance.

3742
02:09:13,516 --> 02:09:14,918
And they're working on that

3743
02:09:14,918 --> 02:09:16,190
right now. So Steph police

3744
02:09:16,190 --> 02:09:19,190
because of that, that creates

3745
02:09:19,622 --> 02:09:22,458
a unique situation. Seth also

3746
02:09:22,458 --> 02:09:23,560
believes that the data center

3747
02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:26,729
based upon what we know is

3748
02:09:26,729 --> 02:09:27,397
would be considered a light

3749
02:09:27,397 --> 02:09:30,397
industrial use, maybe and I

3750
02:09:32,101 --> 02:09:34,137
won or night too. Property is

3751
02:09:34,137 --> 02:09:36,720
owned by 3 and the

3752
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:38,720
comprehensive plan recommends

3753
02:09:38,740 --> 02:09:38,741
heavy industrial so staff

3754
02:09:38,741 --> 02:09:41,741
again, I'm jumping to that

3755
02:09:45,415 --> 02:09:46,281
fift. Criteria. Staff believes

3756
02:09:46,281 --> 02:09:47,917
that issues as it has been

3757
02:09:47,917 --> 02:09:49,986
defined and how it is being

3758
02:09:49,986 --> 02:09:50,787
presented today is come is

3759
02:09:50,787 --> 02:09:52,221
consistent with the

3760
02:09:52,221 --> 02:09:52,922
comprehensive plan of heavy

3761
02:09:52,922 --> 02:09:55,322
industrial. There's also been

3762
02:09:55,358 --> 02:09:58,958
a mention of the over the

3763
02:09:59,996 --> 02:10:02,396
overlay of an industrial.

3764
02:10:03,132 --> 02:10:04,000
Industrial over life, which

3765
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:04,735
then again, Seth believes is

3766
02:10:04,735 --> 02:10:07,135
consistent with being proposed

3767
02:10:08,771 --> 02:10:10,741
here. The unnecessary

3768
02:10:10,741 --> 02:10:12,842
hardship, the staff talks

3769
02:10:12,842 --> 02:10:13,844
about in the Senate and the

3770
02:10:13,844 --> 02:10:16,212
report is the again, the

3771
02:10:16,212 --> 02:10:17,481
absence of a listed use as a

3772
02:10:17,481 --> 02:10:21,810
data center. As we know this

3773
02:10:21,785 --> 02:10:24,121
is you said has recently been

3774
02:10:24,121 --> 02:10:26,521
brought forth in the

3775
02:10:28,580 --> 02:10:28,592
forefront. And I I understand

3776
02:10:28,592 --> 02:10:29,193
there's some other

3777
02:10:29,193 --> 02:10:30,761
jurisdictions that are

3778
02:10:30,761 --> 02:10:31,495
struggling with the same thing

3779
02:10:31,495 --> 02:10:33,330
that we are struggling here in

3780
02:10:33,330 --> 02:10:36,930
terms of defining it and where

3781
02:10:37,367 --> 02:10:38,350
it is appropriate. But again,

3782
02:10:38,350 --> 02:10:41,350
staff believes that is an

3783
02:10:41,705 --> 02:10:43,700
unnecessary heart hardship. So

3784
02:10:43,700 --> 02:10:44,410
for these reasons, staff is

3785
02:10:44,410 --> 02:10:45,776
recommending approval of this.

3786
02:10:45,776 --> 02:10:48,450
However, before I close, I

3787
02:10:48,450 --> 02:10:48,746
would like to get back to the

3788
02:10:48,746 --> 02:10:51,146
comment by Commissioner Lyle

3789
02:10:52,249 --> 02:10:56,449
relative to. The one to get my

3790
02:10:58,656 --> 02:11:00,557
notes Budgeting some money. An

3791
02:11:00,557 --> 02:11:01,325
annual budget. 2 for the

3792
02:11:01,325 --> 02:11:03,725
removal when this is

3793
02:11:04,994 --> 02:11:06,994
decommissioned. Staff would

3794
02:11:08,499 --> 02:11:11,735
also like to add to that is it

3795
02:11:11,735 --> 02:11:14,438
needs part of that should be

3796
02:11:14,438 --> 02:11:14,906
and environmental remediation.

3797
02:11:14,906 --> 02:11:17,306
As part of that

3798
02:11:17,808 --> 02:11:18,442
decommissioning plan. And

3799
02:11:18,442 --> 02:11:20,842
again, you know, setting

3800
02:11:21,979 --> 02:11:24,979
aside. Some type of annual

3801
02:11:27,352 --> 02:11:29,253
budget for that. But then

3802
02:11:29,253 --> 02:11:31,155
staff would like to have some

3803
02:11:31,155 --> 02:11:33,570
clear tight numbers on how

3804
02:11:33,570 --> 02:11:33,624
much that would be rather than

3805
02:11:33,624 --> 02:11:36,240
just making a blanket

3806
02:11:37,194 --> 02:11:37,896
statement. But then again.

3807
02:11:37,896 --> 02:11:38,596
Staff would be glad to answer

3808
02:11:38,596 --> 02:11:41,596
any questions to my questions

3809
02:11:42,466 --> 02:11:44,466
for staff. Commissioner

3810
02:11:45,570 --> 02:11:47,872
Shurmur 2 weeks ago, we passed

3811
02:11:47,872 --> 02:11:49,174
petition that went on to the

3812
02:11:49,174 --> 02:11:51,574
council that regulations for

3813
02:11:51,710 --> 02:11:53,310
for data centers as we were

3814
02:11:53,310 --> 02:11:54,579
trying to play catch-up on the

3815
02:11:54,579 --> 02:11:55,313
whole situation. Yes. How

3816
02:11:55,313 --> 02:11:56,681
would you can that as an apply

3817
02:11:56,681 --> 02:11:58,717
to this case? Because this was

3818
02:11:58,717 --> 02:12:00,585
already in the pipeline, but

3819
02:12:00,585 --> 02:12:02,754
that is coming out. How would

3820
02:12:02,754 --> 02:12:05,154
you compare the commitments

3821
02:12:05,290 --> 02:12:08,126
that we have from the

3822
02:12:08,126 --> 02:12:08,960
developer to what is in was in

3823
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:11,960
the documents that we passed 2

3824
02:12:12,230 --> 02:12:14,499
weeks ago. I think the

3825
02:12:14,499 --> 02:12:17,499
commitments that have been hit

3826
02:12:17,802 --> 02:12:19,237
provided by petitioner. And

3827
02:12:19,237 --> 02:12:20,939
they have been again, they

3828
02:12:20,939 --> 02:12:21,640
have been amended through

3829
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:24,640
through this whole process to

3830
02:12:25,110 --> 02:12:25,644
address some of those issues.

3831
02:12:25,644 --> 02:12:26,278
Seth believes those

3832
02:12:26,278 --> 02:12:27,979
commitments that they are

3833
02:12:27,979 --> 02:12:29,915
offering does offer some

3834
02:12:29,915 --> 02:12:30,582
protection and some regulation

3835
02:12:30,582 --> 02:12:34,182
on how that data center is

3836
02:12:35,186 --> 02:12:38,186
going to be regulated and

3837
02:12:40,792 --> 02:12:41,459
again, I think Because of

3838
02:12:41,459 --> 02:12:44,459
those we are supportive of

3839
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:47,733
this. Do you think anything is

3840
02:12:47,733 --> 02:12:48,934
glaringly missing? Maybe firm

3841
02:12:48,934 --> 02:12:51,503
commitments that based on what

3842
02:12:51,503 --> 02:12:52,571
pushed forward 2 weeks ago.

3843
02:12:52,571 --> 02:12:53,339
The only thing it is what I

3844
02:12:53,339 --> 02:12:55,339
just previously mentioned

3845
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:56,741
about decommissioning

3846
02:12:56,741 --> 02:12:59,741
expanding that to include some

3847
02:13:00,513 --> 02:13:01,847
kind of annual contribution

3848
02:13:01,847 --> 02:13:02,647
and then also related to that

3849
02:13:02,647 --> 02:13:05,470
would be an environmental

3850
02:13:06,452 --> 02:13:08,852
remediation plan. Budget as

3851
02:13:09,755 --> 02:13:10,489
not contribution budget, I'm

3852
02:13:10,489 --> 02:13:13,759
sorry for the budget and their

3853
02:13:13,759 --> 02:13:14,927
numbers. Yes. Is that

3854
02:13:14,927 --> 02:13:15,760
something that you guys are

3855
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,764
able to quantify later or how

3856
02:13:18,764 --> 02:13:19,465
will that be handled? That's a

3857
02:13:19,465 --> 02:13:22,401
good question because I think

3858
02:13:22,401 --> 02:13:24,103
this is just been presented.

3859
02:13:24,103 --> 02:13:25,360
Just come forward here with

3860
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:25,738
the petitioners represented.

3861
02:13:25,738 --> 02:13:27,540
Well, Kathleen, on the of the

3862
02:13:27,540 --> 02:13:28,674
hard to quantify yeah, in 5

3863
02:13:28,674 --> 02:13:31,674
minutes and there I agree.

3864
02:13:32,311 --> 02:13:33,450
Don't you think? Yeah. But

3865
02:13:33,450 --> 02:13:37,245
we're going to push to get the

3866
02:13:37,984 --> 02:13:38,651
environmental. Remediation as

3867
02:13:38,651 --> 02:13:40,453
part of Commissioner Wiles

3868
02:13:40,453 --> 02:13:41,653
request on commitments and

3869
02:13:41,653 --> 02:13:44,457
then got to let them work on

3870
02:13:44,457 --> 02:13:45,124
there. Budging on the number.

3871
02:13:45,124 --> 02:13:47,525
And yes, and that it has an

3872
02:13:47,525 --> 02:13:49,361
annual budget. Yes. Further

3873
02:13:49,361 --> 02:13:51,361
questions for Kathleen.

3874
02:13:52,632 --> 02:13:56,232
PRESIDENT Bill on. So just to

3875
02:13:56,869 --> 02:13:58,104
follow up on Bruce, is your

3876
02:13:58,104 --> 02:13:59,272
comments. Cathy, my

3877
02:13:59,272 --> 02:14:01,672
recollection of Su 47 amended

3878
02:14:04,760 --> 02:14:06,647
ordinance that we passed. For

3879
02:14:06,647 --> 02:14:09,181
data centers provided for a

3880
02:14:09,181 --> 02:14:11,181
400 foot setback from

3881
02:14:12,119 --> 02:14:14,519
protected districts. And this

3882
02:14:15,789 --> 02:14:17,890
is 800 feet 802. Yes, okay.

3883
02:14:17,890 --> 02:14:18,792
And we provided in that

3884
02:14:18,792 --> 02:14:20,792
ordinance. I believe 65

3885
02:14:21,193 --> 02:14:21,929
decibels at the property line.

3886
02:14:21,929 --> 02:14:24,329
And that's consistent with

3887
02:14:26,660 --> 02:14:29,660
what their commitment as this

3888
02:14:29,770 --> 02:14:33,370
Yes. And if this were improved

3889
02:14:34,641 --> 02:14:38,378
by under and I 3 use. Say it

3890
02:14:38,378 --> 02:14:39,446
was industry, media

3891
02:14:39,446 --> 02:14:41,846
manufacturing. Would there be

3892
02:14:43,500 --> 02:14:43,984
a minimum setback from a

3893
02:14:43,984 --> 02:14:45,218
protected district? There

3894
02:14:45,218 --> 02:14:46,786
would And you know what that

3895
02:14:46,786 --> 02:14:47,888
would? I would not know. I'm

3896
02:14:47,888 --> 02:14:48,755
sorry. I would have to look at

3897
02:14:48,755 --> 02:14:51,755
the ordinance on that. Ok?

3898
02:14:51,992 --> 02:14:54,995
Maybe price check on that. I

3899
02:14:54,995 --> 02:14:57,995
can verify. I believe it's 150

3900
02:14:58,640 --> 02:14:58,799
feet. That's what I was 150 or

3901
02:14:58,799 --> 02:14:59,499
200 years. Only ourselves here

3902
02:14:59,499 --> 02:15:00,901
with proof I write. It would

3903
02:15:00,901 --> 02:15:03,700
be much. It could be much

3904
02:15:03,700 --> 02:15:06,700
closer. That is correct. Yes.

3905
02:15:07,874 --> 02:15:08,909
And then on medium industrial,

3906
02:15:08,909 --> 02:15:10,244
is there a decibel level limit

3907
02:15:10,244 --> 02:15:10,944
at the property line under the

3908
02:15:10,944 --> 02:15:13,344
current ordinance? No, there

3909
02:15:16,250 --> 02:15:19,250
is not okay. Further questions

3910
02:15:22,723 --> 02:15:25,123
for staff. Hearing. None.

3911
02:15:28,128 --> 02:15:30,528
Petitioner. Hold on one

3912
02:15:43,211 --> 02:15:45,211
second, please.

3913
02:15:54,422 --> 02:15:55,123
I'd like to

3914
02:15:55,123 --> 02:15:58,723
get a commitment from as you

3915
02:16:01,629 --> 02:16:03,629
start. 4. Inclusive of

3916
02:16:03,932 --> 02:16:05,932
environmental mediation. That

3917
02:16:07,535 --> 02:16:09,935
goes with Commissioner Lyles.

3918
02:16:11,372 --> 02:16:12,730
Commitment request. The

3919
02:16:12,730 --> 02:16:13,775
verdict given. That's all you

3920
02:16:13,775 --> 02:16:14,676
got to do's and environmental

3921
02:16:14,676 --> 02:16:16,676
mediation of appropriate

3922
02:16:18,780 --> 02:16:19,480
funds. And that needs to be

3923
02:16:19,480 --> 02:16:21,683
worked out with staff to make

3924
02:16:21,683 --> 02:16:22,850
sure they are appropriate.

3925
02:16:22,850 --> 02:16:25,250
Well, that commitment, yes,

3926
02:16:28,323 --> 02:16:30,524
you do. Yes. Thank you. Yes,

3927
02:16:30,524 --> 02:16:33,161
commission good. You're on the

3928
02:16:33,161 --> 02:16:36,161
clock. Go. Thank you. Members

3929
02:16:36,164 --> 02:16:38,166
of the commission as staff is

3930
02:16:38,166 --> 02:16:40,568
showing you in a staffer.

3931
02:16:40,568 --> 02:16:42,968
We're with their commitments.

3932
02:16:43,371 --> 02:16:43,972
Send their expert opinion that

3933
02:16:43,972 --> 02:16:46,372
this request meets the

3934
02:16:48,760 --> 02:16:49,311
findings of facts. The hearing

3935
02:16:49,311 --> 02:16:51,412
examiner found this case meets

3936
02:16:51,412 --> 02:16:54,782
the findings of fact under her

3937
02:16:54,782 --> 02:16:57,518
memo is in your staff report.

3938
02:16:57,518 --> 02:16:59,487
We have experts here today who

3939
02:16:59,487 --> 02:17:01,457
have reviewed the specific

3940
02:17:01,457 --> 02:17:02,690
request and made filings

3941
02:17:02,690 --> 02:17:05,260
inside your binder and inside

3942
02:17:05,260 --> 02:17:07,528
the record that show we meet

3943
02:17:07,528 --> 02:17:11,128
the findings of fact. And to

3944
02:17:12,868 --> 02:17:15,268
that end. Even remind

3945
02:17:15,804 --> 02:17:16,805
straighter the land use chair

3946
02:17:16,805 --> 02:17:18,805
Vinton Community Council

3947
02:17:20,409 --> 02:17:21,442
stated at their JUNE meeting

3948
02:17:21,442 --> 02:17:22,177
that we met the legal

3949
02:17:22,177 --> 02:17:22,878
requirements, specifically the

3950
02:17:22,878 --> 02:17:26,478
findings of fact, if you look

3951
02:17:28,500 --> 02:17:29,118
at tab 20 or tap 88 Page 17 at

3952
02:17:29,118 --> 02:17:30,686
the first full paragraph of

3953
02:17:30,686 --> 02:17:31,754
that transcript from their

3954
02:17:31,754 --> 02:17:33,220
JUNE meeting. The link for

3955
02:17:33,220 --> 02:17:36,622
that video is also in your

3956
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:40,729
binder. Dc boxes, bill, these

3957
02:17:40,729 --> 02:17:41,429
buildings in other

3958
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:44,429
jurisdictions. This is not a

3959
02:17:45,601 --> 02:17:47,601
hypothetical. Exercise. It's

3960
02:17:48,504 --> 02:17:49,939
not speculation. We know the

3961
02:17:49,939 --> 02:17:50,639
outcomes unsound. We've done

3962
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:53,639
the work to better understand

3963
02:17:55,978 --> 02:17:56,845
that. The water. From this

3964
02:17:56,845 --> 02:17:59,845
site is from the employee

3965
02:18:02,184 --> 02:18:03,285
toilets. The employee kitchen

3966
02:18:03,285 --> 02:18:05,200
sink in the landscape. That's

3967
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:06,922
the only water returning to

3968
02:18:06,922 --> 02:18:09,659
citizens energy, which is the

3969
02:18:09,659 --> 02:18:10,460
same as residential uses or

3970
02:18:10,460 --> 02:18:12,860
commercial uses. And maybe

3971
02:18:13,228 --> 02:18:13,896
even some industrial uses. We

3972
02:18:13,896 --> 02:18:16,296
have a decommissioning plan

3973
02:18:18,735 --> 02:18:20,690
and we are. Appreciate the

3974
02:18:20,690 --> 02:18:21,503
thoughtful comments so we can

3975
02:18:21,503 --> 02:18:22,138
incorporate into additional

3976
02:18:22,138 --> 02:18:24,538
commitment of which we've

3977
02:18:24,573 --> 02:18:26,642
stated. We're in full

3978
02:18:26,642 --> 02:18:28,545
agreement. We would be the 3rd

3979
02:18:28,545 --> 02:18:29,778
and to clean up this

3980
02:18:29,778 --> 02:18:31,748
brownfield. And we think that

3981
02:18:31,748 --> 02:18:32,415
is a huge benefit to the

3982
02:18:32,415 --> 02:18:34,117
community. We believe that

3983
02:18:34,117 --> 02:18:37,117
cleaning up Brownfields is the

3984
02:18:37,787 --> 02:18:39,789
right thing to do. Getting

3985
02:18:39,789 --> 02:18:41,791
these parcels back into the

3986
02:18:41,791 --> 02:18:42,926
tax base is another big

3987
02:18:42,926 --> 02:18:43,727
benefit with Brownfield

3988
02:18:43,727 --> 02:18:46,727
cleanup. This is in compliance

3989
02:18:47,640 --> 02:18:47,764
with items erc. And so we know

3990
02:18:47,764 --> 02:18:51,364
that this can be done. There

3991
02:18:52,768 --> 02:18:53,837
are. 3 buildings and it's been

3992
02:18:53,837 --> 02:18:54,738
stated and it's in the

3993
02:18:54,738 --> 02:18:56,738
Irvington Community Council's

3994
02:18:56,740 --> 02:18:58,909
letter. They did not oppose

3995
02:18:58,909 --> 02:19:01,309
the construction of monarch

3996
02:19:03,213 --> 02:19:05,480
abf or Dandy. It's exact same

3997
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:06,816
brownfield, its exact same

3998
02:19:06,816 --> 02:19:09,816
type of construction that we

3999
02:19:13,490 --> 02:19:14,570
are looking to do please.

4000
02:19:14,570 --> 02:19:14,658
Believe that edge. No

4001
02:19:14,658 --> 02:19:16,658
facilities with optical

4002
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:17,594
network gear inside, provide a

4003
02:19:17,594 --> 02:19:19,994
positive benefit for the

4004
02:19:21,665 --> 02:19:23,433
community. We moved that

4005
02:19:23,433 --> 02:19:24,702
building by eliminating the

4006
02:19:24,702 --> 02:19:25,835
other building and moving

4007
02:19:25,835 --> 02:19:28,104
building to further south. We

4008
02:19:28,104 --> 02:19:29,706
moved in an additional 237

4009
02:19:29,706 --> 02:19:30,340
feet to the heart of the

4010
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:31,942
industrial complex of the

4011
02:19:31,942 --> 02:19:33,942
Thunderbird Commerce Center.

4012
02:19:35,745 --> 02:19:37,847
We have 2 separate property

4013
02:19:37,847 --> 02:19:39,150
tax appraisers that looked at

4014
02:19:39,150 --> 02:19:39,716
this specific impact to

4015
02:19:39,716 --> 02:19:41,510
confirm there are no adverse

4016
02:19:41,510 --> 02:19:43,454
effects on property owners and

4017
02:19:43,454 --> 02:19:45,622
it follows the cop plant. We

4018
02:19:45,622 --> 02:19:48,558
have the sound studies. We

4019
02:19:48,558 --> 02:19:50,227
have talked with isd. We have

4020
02:19:50,227 --> 02:19:53,827
the trip memo reviews this. We

4021
02:19:54,970 --> 02:19:54,831
have done research on air

4022
02:19:54,831 --> 02:19:57,831
quality with Carrick on. We've

4023
02:19:58,350 --> 02:19:58,803
done the comparisons. There's

4024
02:19:58,803 --> 02:20:00,671
a Virginia Department of

4025
02:20:00,671 --> 02:20:02,273
Environmental report there

4026
02:20:02,273 --> 02:20:03,507
that shows Loudoun County,

4027
02:20:03,507 --> 02:20:05,243
which has the most longest

4028
02:20:05,243 --> 02:20:08,243
serving data centers. He's one

4029
02:20:10,130 --> 02:20:11,681
of the healthiest counties in.

4030
02:20:11,681 --> 02:20:15,281
Jen. Yeah, as well as the

4031
02:20:16,954 --> 02:20:18,589
United States of America. And

4032
02:20:18,589 --> 02:20:20,191
as it relates to some of the

4033
02:20:20,191 --> 02:20:22,827
rim on straight ers comments

4034
02:20:22,827 --> 02:20:25,227
will continue to. Educate

4035
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:27,732
folks and meet with folks and

4036
02:20:27,732 --> 02:20:28,598
have conversations. But I

4037
02:20:28,598 --> 02:20:29,166
think some of the commitments

4038
02:20:29,166 --> 02:20:31,535
are addressed in the

4039
02:20:31,535 --> 02:20:32,670
commitments. They MAY be.

4040
02:20:32,670 --> 02:20:35,206
Difficult to find and we're

4041
02:20:35,206 --> 02:20:38,206
happy Continue to work with

4042
02:20:38,709 --> 02:20:40,745
folks on that. But the

4043
02:20:40,745 --> 02:20:42,981
generators are restricted to

4044
02:20:42,981 --> 02:20:45,981
only power outages outside of

4045
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:47,818
the control. The property

4046
02:20:47,818 --> 02:20:48,552
owner. So we've worked with a

4047
02:20:48,552 --> 02:20:50,388
number of fremont's traders on

4048
02:20:50,388 --> 02:20:52,857
this language. We've been did

4049
02:20:52,857 --> 02:20:55,920
up and we've made sure that we

4050
02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:58,692
have this only for testing and

4051
02:20:58,930 --> 02:21:00,865
only for power outages.

4052
02:21:00,865 --> 02:21:02,533
Pacific item also regulates

4053
02:21:02,533 --> 02:21:03,502
this. Derek Hahn was able to

4054
02:21:03,502 --> 02:21:04,136
let me know that item

4055
02:21:04,136 --> 02:21:05,970
regulates this, that the

4056
02:21:05,970 --> 02:21:07,172
generators are only running

4057
02:21:07,172 --> 02:21:07,772
when the power's out. And

4058
02:21:07,772 --> 02:21:09,400
we've agreed to let our

4059
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:11,208
neighbors no one are power

4060
02:21:11,208 --> 02:21:14,208
goes out and win. Those

4061
02:21:16,148 --> 02:21:19,148
generators will. Used. So we

4062
02:21:19,417 --> 02:21:20,151
think addressed a number of

4063
02:21:20,151 --> 02:21:23,151
the concerns and will continue

4064
02:21:24,956 --> 02:21:25,557
to work too work with the

4065
02:21:25,557 --> 02:21:26,291
community, educate the

4066
02:21:26,291 --> 02:21:28,691
community and and discussed

4067
02:21:33,999 --> 02:21:36,999
how they'll be protected here.

4068
02:21:37,202 --> 02:21:40,202
Perfect. Thank you. Time to

4069
02:21:41,173 --> 02:21:41,907
From ice traders, please come

4070
02:21:41,907 --> 02:21:42,807
forward and rice and the

4071
02:21:42,807 --> 02:21:43,709
gentleman who was in line. I'd

4072
02:21:43,709 --> 02:21:47,909
like to make sure you get your

4073
02:21:50,749 --> 02:21:53,149
thoughts in. Please Nancy

4074
02:21:54,853 --> 02:21:56,288
Reset the clock. Please

4075
02:21:56,288 --> 02:21:58,288
introduce yourself. Start

4076
02:21:58,390 --> 02:22:00,559
over. Even sworn address. Go.

4077
02:22:00,559 --> 02:22:02,194
My name is right and her. Yes,

4078
02:22:02,194 --> 02:22:02,861
I have been sworn in. My

4079
02:22:02,861 --> 02:22:03,562
address is 1, 1, 5, 3, to 4

4080
02:22:03,562 --> 02:22:05,962
driving Apple's Indiana for 6

4081
02:22:08,432 --> 02:22:09,401
to 3, 6, I want to point out

4082
02:22:09,401 --> 02:22:12,404
that I think they're going to

4083
02:22:12,404 --> 02:22:13,105
make the ai version of that,

4084
02:22:13,105 --> 02:22:13,772
right? They're going to leave

4085
02:22:13,772 --> 02:22:15,440
us high and dry the way the

4086
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:16,108
market has been changed ever

4087
02:22:16,108 --> 02:22:17,309
since they introduce token

4088
02:22:17,309 --> 02:22:19,578
based billing for these ai

4089
02:22:19,578 --> 02:22:20,245
stuff, companies, smaller

4090
02:22:20,245 --> 02:22:22,245
enterprise companies have

4091
02:22:23,181 --> 02:22:24,983
blown their entire annual

4092
02:22:24,983 --> 02:22:26,151
budget in a than a quarter.

4093
02:22:26,151 --> 02:22:28,200
You can look at the interview

4094
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:28,720
with Uber ceo for that jp

4095
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:29,988
Morgan and other major banks

4096
02:22:29,988 --> 02:22:30,956
increase the risk rating of

4097
02:22:30,956 --> 02:22:33,356
construction debt for building

4098
02:22:34,920 --> 02:22:37,692
these data centers as they go

4099
02:22:39,165 --> 02:22:40,699
into other markets. It's very

4100
02:22:40,699 --> 02:22:41,366
difficult, not impossible to

4101
02:22:41,366 --> 02:22:43,766
repurpose these tempted use

4102
02:22:47,272 --> 02:22:49,750
that very quickly depreciate.

4103
02:22:49,750 --> 02:22:49,842
And over 60% of all venture

4104
02:22:49,842 --> 02:22:50,576
capital in the U.S. Last year

4105
02:22:50,576 --> 02:22:54,581
went I even Google who we know

4106
02:22:54,581 --> 02:22:55,148
has a lot of cash reserves ran

4107
02:22:55,148 --> 02:22:57,584
to market to get over

4108
02:22:57,584 --> 02:22:58,618
80 billion dollars in venture

4109
02:22:58,618 --> 02:23:00,190
capital before Openai and in

4110
02:23:00,190 --> 02:23:01,754
Tropic could run to the market

4111
02:23:01,754 --> 02:23:03,456
to go public and Openai

4112
02:23:03,456 --> 02:23:04,591
because of their finances

4113
02:23:04,591 --> 02:23:06,593
showed that the costs

4114
02:23:06,593 --> 02:23:07,560
increased linearly with

4115
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:10,560
revenue. They could not show

4116
02:23:10,562 --> 02:23:12,310
profit, have pushed them going

4117
02:23:12,310 --> 02:23:12,832
public 2027 and now they're in

4118
02:23:12,832 --> 02:23:14,767
a lawsuit for corporate

4119
02:23:14,767 --> 02:23:16,102
espionage. This is not a

4120
02:23:16,102 --> 02:23:16,802
standard development. Should

4121
02:23:16,802 --> 02:23:17,837
not be a variance. The should

4122
02:23:17,837 --> 02:23:20,837
be going through the proper

4123
02:23:21,874 --> 02:23:22,942
procedures. So there are some

4124
02:23:22,942 --> 02:23:24,377
concerns there. I and in

4125
02:23:24,377 --> 02:23:25,110
support of getting some sort

4126
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:27,314
of bond to make sure that

4127
02:23:27,314 --> 02:23:31,490
we're so well on this. As far

4128
02:23:31,490 --> 02:23:31,784
as the potential moral to the

4129
02:23:31,784 --> 02:23:34,784
community. I am concerned that

4130
02:23:35,121 --> 02:23:35,855
some of that computer would be

4131
02:23:35,855 --> 02:23:37,657
rented out 2 models like Rock,

4132
02:23:37,657 --> 02:23:38,791
which have been shown to

4133
02:23:38,791 --> 02:23:41,191
create child abuse material.

4134
02:23:41,561 --> 02:23:43,196
What commitments that we have,

4135
02:23:43,196 --> 02:23:43,896
that if it is found that

4136
02:23:43,896 --> 02:23:45,364
compute that is being stored

4137
02:23:45,364 --> 02:23:48,964
is being used for that, could

4138
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:52,668
we have that revoked? But how

4139
02:23:52,972 --> 02:23:54,700
can protect ourselves on that?

4140
02:23:54,700 --> 02:23:55,408
The concerns about the tax

4141
02:23:55,408 --> 02:23:58,177
abatements it with how quickly

4142
02:23:58,177 --> 02:24:00,314
the financial station is

4143
02:24:00,314 --> 02:24:01,848
changing. Maybe lowering that

4144
02:24:01,848 --> 02:24:04,684
tax abatement to like 2 years

4145
02:24:04,684 --> 02:24:06,787
because it's moving very, very

4146
02:24:06,787 --> 02:24:07,454
quickly. Don't write

4147
02:24:07,454 --> 02:24:09,454
computational resources to

4148
02:24:09,957 --> 02:24:10,858
grok and those types of things

4149
02:24:10,858 --> 02:24:11,424
postpone this for a while

4150
02:24:11,424 --> 02:24:13,894
until we can have the

4151
02:24:13,894 --> 02:24:14,594
ordinance for get up. I truly

4152
02:24:14,594 --> 02:24:17,364
for a year because this is a

4153
02:24:17,364 --> 02:24:17,997
lot but a positive. Thank you,

4154
02:24:17,997 --> 02:24:19,997
Reiser. Please introduce

4155
02:24:20,434 --> 02:24:23,434
yourself and your Be mindful

4156
02:24:24,438 --> 02:24:26,838
o'clock. Short clock. Steve

4157
02:24:27,141 --> 02:24:27,875
Key free. 46, north kid Lee

4158
02:24:27,875 --> 02:24:29,243
Avenue. I love Half mile north

4159
02:24:29,243 --> 02:24:30,611
of the proposed site. Even

4160
02:24:30,611 --> 02:24:33,611
Darlie swan. Steve. Yes, I

4161
02:24:35,281 --> 02:24:38,118
have go okay. Appreciate the

4162
02:24:38,118 --> 02:24:40,540
opportunity speak. I have 3

4163
02:24:40,540 --> 02:24:41,155
main questions based on the

4164
02:24:41,155 --> 02:24:41,988
premise that your decisions

4165
02:24:41,988 --> 02:24:43,691
based on what's best for the

4166
02:24:43,691 --> 02:24:44,725
community, not only today, but

4167
02:24:44,725 --> 02:24:47,725
long term. The first question

4168
02:24:47,995 --> 02:24:48,696
is based on the usually

4169
02:24:48,696 --> 02:24:51,960
negative perception of data

4170
02:24:52,665 --> 02:24:55,350
centers. Whether fair or not

4171
02:24:55,350 --> 02:24:56,236
has the staff or anyone looked

4172
02:24:56,236 --> 02:24:58,505
at what is going to be the

4173
02:24:58,505 --> 02:25:00,441
effect on property values of

4174
02:25:00,441 --> 02:25:03,441
residential areas within the I

4175
02:25:04,311 --> 02:25:07,248
love it. I would hate to trade

4176
02:25:07,248 --> 02:25:09,249
8 income boost right now and

4177
02:25:09,249 --> 02:25:09,950
watch the east side to

4178
02:25:09,950 --> 02:25:11,518
neighborhood with her because

4179
02:25:11,518 --> 02:25:12,318
of the property values as

4180
02:25:12,318 --> 02:25:15,918
people want to move away from

4181
02:25:16,290 --> 02:25:17,910
from the data center. Second

4182
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:20,910
question and not knowing what

4183
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:21,729
how process works. Dc Blocks

4184
02:25:21,729 --> 02:25:25,329
has made has made many, many

4185
02:25:25,866 --> 02:25:27,100
pledges add. How is the system

4186
02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:28,169
set up in there? Is there a

4187
02:25:28,169 --> 02:25:29,370
way to hold him accountable

4188
02:25:29,370 --> 02:25:32,970
for the pledge is being made?

4189
02:25:33,400 --> 02:25:33,741
Who does that and what

4190
02:25:33,741 --> 02:25:36,478
consequences if they are not

4191
02:25:36,478 --> 02:25:37,177
meeting their pledges. The 3rd

4192
02:25:37,177 --> 02:25:39,713
question is kind of related,

4193
02:25:39,713 --> 02:25:41,583
but it's more balding, a yes,

4194
02:25:41,583 --> 02:25:43,652
which I understand has made a

4195
02:25:43,652 --> 02:25:45,286
pledge that the data center

4196
02:25:45,286 --> 02:25:48,286
will not impact any bodies.

4197
02:25:48,756 --> 02:25:50,926
Rates. Same question is before

4198
02:25:50,926 --> 02:25:53,662
is the city or who holds a yes

4199
02:25:53,662 --> 02:25:55,730
to keep that pledge in the

4200
02:25:55,730 --> 02:25:56,731
future that the status center

4201
02:25:56,731 --> 02:25:58,500
data centers are not going be

4202
02:25:58,500 --> 02:26:00,869
footed on the bills of

4203
02:26:00,869 --> 02:26:02,700
residential customers. And if

4204
02:26:02,700 --> 02:26:02,771
they tried to do that, who's

4205
02:26:02,771 --> 02:26:04,472
going to find it and how will

4206
02:26:04,472 --> 02:26:05,874
they be held accountable?

4207
02:26:05,874 --> 02:26:08,274
Appreciate the time. Thank

4208
02:26:10,578 --> 02:26:12,480
you. See. La sworn in, I'll

4209
02:26:12,480 --> 02:26:14,950
start my conclusion due to

4210
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:16,785
time. They've asked us to

4211
02:26:16,785 --> 02:26:17,819
trust them repeatedly their

4212
02:26:17,819 --> 02:26:18,753
best trust them to. But the

4213
02:26:18,753 --> 02:26:21,220
the record tells a different

4214
02:26:21,220 --> 02:26:21,756
story. One of repeated

4215
02:26:21,756 --> 02:26:22,424
mischaracterizations that were

4216
02:26:22,424 --> 02:26:23,725
quietly corrected only when

4217
02:26:23,725 --> 02:26:24,526
they're caught never on their

4218
02:26:24,526 --> 02:26:26,227
own initiative. I have the

4219
02:26:26,227 --> 02:26:28,163
details are going to them. If

4220
02:26:28,163 --> 02:26:29,297
I'm allowed. When we asked for

4221
02:26:29,297 --> 02:26:29,931
real accountability for these

4222
02:26:29,931 --> 02:26:30,932
commitments, the current

4223
02:26:30,932 --> 02:26:32,267
statement of commitments

4224
02:26:32,267 --> 02:26:34,667
answers with these commitments

4225
02:26:36,171 --> 02:26:36,838
MAY the enforced and the short

4226
02:26:36,838 --> 02:26:39,740
list of who MAY and forced

4227
02:26:39,740 --> 02:26:40,342
them notably excludes been

4228
02:26:40,342 --> 02:26:41,209
counselor who represents 97%

4229
02:26:41,209 --> 02:26:43,446
of the populace that lives

4230
02:26:43,446 --> 02:26:45,380
within half of a mile of this

4231
02:26:45,380 --> 02:26:46,282
project. You're being asked to

4232
02:26:46,282 --> 02:26:46,982
grant permanent vested rights

4233
02:26:46,982 --> 02:26:49,752
to a petitioner who has shown

4234
02:26:49,752 --> 02:26:50,418
again and again that what they

4235
02:26:50,418 --> 02:26:51,786
tell our community and how

4236
02:26:51,786 --> 02:26:53,755
they actually intend to

4237
02:26:53,755 --> 02:26:54,356
operate aren't always the same

4238
02:26:54,356 --> 02:26:55,230
thing. And they have no

4239
02:26:55,230 --> 02:26:58,230
intention of allowing us to

4240
02:26:58,761 --> 02:26:59,795
hold them accountable to that.

4241
02:26:59,795 --> 02:27:01,864
Addition to their inability to

4242
02:27:01,864 --> 02:27:03,864
satisfy the 5 findings

4243
02:27:03,898 --> 02:27:04,599
required for a variance you've

4244
02:27:04,599 --> 02:27:06,200
really ask that you can that

4245
02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:06,701
you consider the way to

4246
02:27:06,701 --> 02:27:07,369
commitments to our community

4247
02:27:07,369 --> 02:27:07,970
and that light and maintain

4248
02:27:07,970 --> 02:27:10,970
that the request for a

4249
02:27:21,150 --> 02:27:21,851
variance be denied. Thank you.

4250
02:27:21,851 --> 02:27:25,451
Steve. Can you come back up?

4251
02:27:28,957 --> 02:27:29,592
Please. Let me try to answer

4252
02:27:29,592 --> 02:27:31,992
your questions because I

4253
02:27:33,329 --> 02:27:36,329
thought they Asian that. This

4254
02:27:37,199 --> 02:27:39,101
is very formal record. All the

4255
02:27:39,101 --> 02:27:42,101
commitments will be in the

4256
02:27:43,839 --> 02:27:45,307
record if it passes. Those

4257
02:27:45,307 --> 02:27:45,875
commitments will then be made

4258
02:27:45,875 --> 02:27:48,875
sure they go to code

4259
02:27:50,913 --> 02:27:51,647
ordinance. Enforcement and

4260
02:27:51,647 --> 02:27:54,150
they will follow up along with

4261
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:55,217
the dmv to make sure those

4262
02:27:55,217 --> 02:27:55,851
commitments are being

4263
02:27:55,851 --> 02:27:58,851
followed. If they are not

4264
02:27:58,988 --> 02:28:00,923
followed. They literally have

4265
02:28:00,923 --> 02:28:01,624
the after several warnings

4266
02:28:01,624 --> 02:28:04,393
have the ability to shut them

4267
02:28:04,393 --> 02:28:05,895
down. So the answer your

4268
02:28:05,895 --> 02:28:06,563
question is yes, the

4269
02:28:06,563 --> 02:28:08,963
commitments are followed up

4270
02:28:12,268 --> 02:28:13,135
on. They are enforced and

4271
02:28:13,135 --> 02:28:15,535
frankly, Steve, I pay

4272
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:17,574
attention myself. So I'm gonna

4273
02:28:17,574 --> 02:28:18,441
make sure that they do what

4274
02:28:18,441 --> 02:28:21,345
they say they're going to do

4275
02:28:21,345 --> 02:28:24,345
if it passes. Now, your

4276
02:28:25,115 --> 02:28:28,418
question Help me in on that

4277
02:28:28,418 --> 02:28:29,819
one. Come back with that. My

4278
02:28:29,819 --> 02:28:30,486
understanding s has made a

4279
02:28:30,486 --> 02:28:32,321
pledge. I don't remember if

4280
02:28:32,321 --> 02:28:34,291
it's just specific to this

4281
02:28:34,291 --> 02:28:35,658
project or for data centers in

4282
02:28:35,658 --> 02:28:38,328
general that they had made a

4283
02:28:38,328 --> 02:28:41,328
pledge that they would not

4284
02:28:43,165 --> 02:28:44,433
basically pass on the cost or

4285
02:28:44,433 --> 02:28:45,680
providing power to these this

4286
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:47,304
data center bore all the

4287
02:28:47,304 --> 02:28:50,304
answers. I don't know which

4288
02:28:51,174 --> 02:28:52,342
and that that would not fall

4289
02:28:52,342 --> 02:28:53,744
on PRESIDENT Michel rate rate

4290
02:28:53,744 --> 02:28:54,978
payers. And so the same

4291
02:28:54,978 --> 02:28:56,812
question is how is that held

4292
02:28:56,812 --> 02:28:58,181
accountable to that kind a

4293
02:28:58,181 --> 02:29:01,181
problem us has made that

4294
02:29:02,850 --> 02:29:02,785
commitment. You are correct.

4295
02:29:02,785 --> 02:29:05,255
And they are regulated by the

4296
02:29:05,255 --> 02:29:06,223
State Regulatory Commission

4297
02:29:06,223 --> 02:29:08,191
and it is on file with the

4298
02:29:08,191 --> 02:29:10,260
State Regulatory Commission. I

4299
02:29:10,260 --> 02:29:13,260
you are seaboard and they

4300
02:29:14,365 --> 02:29:17,601
follow up on how that is being

4301
02:29:17,601 --> 02:29:21,201
assessed on charges. So it was

4302
02:29:21,405 --> 02:29:22,500
clearly in their domain. And I

4303
02:29:22,500 --> 02:29:25,108
think there is a lot of

4304
02:29:25,108 --> 02:29:25,808
attention right now on the

4305
02:29:25,808 --> 02:29:27,808
Indian Regulatory Commission

4306
02:29:28,846 --> 02:29:29,513
and they will stay on top of

4307
02:29:29,513 --> 02:29:33,713
not only a yes, but all the

4308
02:29:36,687 --> 02:29:37,421
toys. Thank you, sir. Did this

4309
02:29:37,421 --> 02:29:40,421
staff lucketts and anything as

4310
02:29:40,591 --> 02:29:41,492
far as impact on residential

4311
02:29:41,492 --> 02:29:43,492
property values locations

4312
02:29:45,596 --> 02:29:46,897
close to data centers has that

4313
02:29:46,897 --> 02:29:47,598
been looked It has been looked

4314
02:29:47,598 --> 02:29:49,366
at and has been looked at by

4315
02:29:49,366 --> 02:29:51,602
several members of the

4316
02:29:51,602 --> 02:29:52,336
commission. I won't speak for

4317
02:29:52,336 --> 02:29:53,360
members of the commission, but

4318
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:56,360
we've not seen anything that

4319
02:29:58,977 --> 02:30:00,911
throws off. Values. Thank you.

4320
02:30:00,911 --> 02:30:03,311
And present PRESIDENT We're

4321
02:30:03,748 --> 02:30:04,615
paying attention to it.

4322
02:30:04,615 --> 02:30:07,615
Kathleen, I don't think we

4323
02:30:08,151 --> 02:30:08,953
have a formal study doing

4324
02:30:08,953 --> 02:30:10,955
what? No, we do not great.

4325
02:30:10,955 --> 02:30:12,789
PRESIDENT Delaune Commissioner

4326
02:30:12,789 --> 02:30:15,759
Murphy. To that end, though

4327
02:30:15,759 --> 02:30:17,759
petitioner has submitted 2

4328
02:30:18,663 --> 02:30:20,640
appraisal analysis as part of

4329
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:20,732
their evidence or their

4330
02:30:20,732 --> 02:30:22,466
documents supporting that.

4331
02:30:22,466 --> 02:30:24,802
There is not military is

4332
02:30:24,802 --> 02:30:26,271
impact on neighboring property

4333
02:30:26,271 --> 02:30:27,505
values and those are part of

4334
02:30:27,505 --> 02:30:28,374
the record that part of what

4335
02:30:28,374 --> 02:30:31,374
staff review to reach their

4336
02:30:33,177 --> 02:30:34,144
conclusion. That is correct.

4337
02:30:34,144 --> 02:30:35,780
It's in the record and we ask

4338
02:30:35,780 --> 02:30:38,150
you to get them and read get

4339
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:38,716
comfortable with it.

4340
02:30:38,716 --> 02:30:40,450
Appreciate your Thank you for

4341
02:30:40,450 --> 02:30:42,954
being here. Members of the

4342
02:30:42,954 --> 02:30:45,954
commission. We're going to go

4343
02:30:49,590 --> 02:30:49,794
to our ballots. We have to. We

4344
02:30:49,794 --> 02:30:53,394
have to balance. One is a

4345
02:30:54,650 --> 02:30:55,660
variance. One of plat, their

4346
02:30:55,660 --> 02:30:57,368
companion ballots in order to

4347
02:30:57,368 --> 02:30:57,969
move forward with the plat.

4348
02:30:57,969 --> 02:31:01,500
We'll vote on it on the

4349
02:31:01,500 --> 02:31:03,107
ballot. But under under rules

4350
02:31:03,107 --> 02:31:03,741
and under the law, the

4351
02:31:03,741 --> 02:31:05,741
Metropolitan Development

4352
02:31:07,579 --> 02:31:09,514
Commission. Most to prove and

4353
02:31:09,514 --> 02:31:12,514
fine that the plaque for

4354
02:31:13,651 --> 02:31:15,420
outdated MAY 28 2026. Complies

4355
02:31:15,420 --> 02:31:16,200
with the standards of the

4356
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:18,200
subdivision regulations

4357
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:18,756
subject to the following

4358
02:31:18,756 --> 02:31:20,756
conditions. The following 11

4359
02:31:21,759 --> 02:31:23,759
conditions. Kathleen, which

4360
02:31:26,431 --> 02:31:28,334
are on file with. The filing

4361
02:31:28,334 --> 02:31:31,334
and the petitioner. Yes yes.

4362
02:31:33,839 --> 02:31:34,540
There on Page. 52 and 53.

4363
02:31:34,540 --> 02:31:35,140
Commissioner Murphy that made

4364
02:31:35,140 --> 02:31:38,740
the motion. Can I get a

4365
02:31:40,878 --> 02:31:41,547
second? Thank Members of the

4366
02:31:41,547 --> 02:31:43,947
commission. 2 ballots go to

4367
02:31:55,728 --> 02:31:57,728
you about

4368
02:33:23,949 --> 02:33:25,949
First petition is

4369
02:33:27,487 --> 02:33:29,487
2026 cpa, 8, 1, 5 Dcb

4370
02:33:29,688 --> 02:33:31,591
Indianapolis llc. There were 7

4371
02:33:31,591 --> 02:33:33,827
ballots cast. This is the

4372
02:33:33,827 --> 02:33:36,227
place petition. There were

4373
02:33:36,930 --> 02:33:37,564
yes, 7, yes votes, 0, no

4374
02:33:37,564 --> 02:33:40,564
votes. The place has been

4375
02:33:50,744 --> 02:33:52,312
approved. State income pit

4376
02:33:52,312 --> 02:33:53,513
petition is a companion

4377
02:33:53,513 --> 02:33:55,513
variants petition. Again,

4378
02:33:57,550 --> 02:33:59,950
there were 7 ballots cast.

4379
02:33:59,953 --> 02:34:01,956
There were 6 yes votes, one,

4380
02:34:01,956 --> 02:34:02,689
no vote. The petition, the

4381
02:34:02,689 --> 02:34:05,689
various petition has also been

4382
02:34:09,896 --> 02:34:10,563
approved. Petition has been

4383
02:34:10,563 --> 02:34:11,000
passed. This concludes our