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and Instster Housing Commission joint

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meeting. It's Tuesday, August 25th,

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2026.

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Uh it is 6:04 p.m. and the meeting is

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now called to order. Everyone please

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stand for the prayer.

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» Who want to lead us in prayer tonight?

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[laughter]

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» Praise the Lord everybody.

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>> Lord you father you have for a small

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prayer. Father, we thank you for coming

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here to address all our issues to come

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together as one. We thank you for all

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the blessings you store upon us and

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bless council, the mayor and a

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administration here and uh housing in

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the Lord's name. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Please continue to stand for the pledge

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of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the

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flag of the United States of America and

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to the republic for which it stands. One

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nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Roll call.

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>> City Council Mayor Nolan,

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>> present.

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>> Mayor Pro Tim Chisum,

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>> present.

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>> Councilwoman Rage,

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>> present.

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>> Councilman Bishop,

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>> present. Councilwoman Scott.

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» Okay. Councilwoman Howard

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>> here.

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>> Councilwoman Richardson.

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>> Roll call for Inkingster housing.

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Commissioner Gillette.

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» Commissioner Moore.

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>> Commissioner Miller.

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» Commissioner Strowman.

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>> Present. Commissioner Thomas.

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>> Mayor, you do have a quorum on both.

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>> All right. Thank you. All right.

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Everyone had a just a little back

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backdrop. This meeting was requested by

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Mayor Promp. I think he sent an email

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over to the commissioners a few weeks

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ago.

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>> Yeah, about a month ago.

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>> About a month ago, actually. Um after I

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mean was that what was that sparked by?

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>> Some of the comments at the meeting.

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>> Comments, processes, and procedures.

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Open meetings act.

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um process with meeting notices,

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notifications,

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>> um and then of course the executive

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director decision.

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>> Okay. So that's what caused us to

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request the meeting. Um and I think I

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went to their last meeting and requested

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after city council expressed that they

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would like to meet have a joint meeting

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to discuss some of these issues. Um and

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they agreed to come and I appreciate

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them coming here tonight. So, we uh

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created an agenda. It's pretty broad um

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just so we can go over some of the

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things that we at least heard. Uh we can

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only discuss things on the agenda

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because it's a special meeting. So, it's

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very specific. But we put on there the

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open meetings act because there were

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some I believe there were some

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allegations of open meetings act

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violation. Um also process for selecting

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executive director position. There's

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been a lot of comments made at least at

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the city council meeting regarding that.

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Um, and I guess we're going to discuss

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that and and listen to whoever would

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like to speak on that. And then the

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status of Inkster housing. Um, because

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basically I've been getting reports of

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nothing but positive things for the last

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several months uh regarding Insta

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Housing and HUD and some of the other

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things going on uh at Instster Housing.

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what's going on at housing also. And of

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course, we have uh public comments at

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our meetings. They come at the end of

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the meeting. City Council will do our

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own public comments and then Inkingst

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Housing can do their own. I suspect most

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of them are going to be Instster housing

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comments tonight. Um be my guest. But

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anybody uh want to modify Can we even

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modify the agenda? We could take stuff

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so anybody want to delete anything from

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the agenda or

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>> maybe specify something that's already

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there. Make it more specific.

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I think anybody from housing, you want

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to speak to the three things on the

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agenda? Are you okay with them?

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Do we have a motion to approve the

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agenda?

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>> So move.

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>> Been probably moved to second. Any

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discussion? All those in favor say I.

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>> I. Oppos say nay.

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>> All right. Okay. Uh discussion.

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Open Meetings Act. Um, Miss Wales, I'm

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not sure if you this is you or someone

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else who would like to speak to

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the alleged Open Meetings Act violation.

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meeting was cancelled by the city

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attorney for I'm sorry, the housing

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attorney. Um, there was some sort of

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defect in the notice and I understand

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that meeting was canceled, was not held.

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we need to discuss tonight? Come on up.

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>> Good evening. Good evening.

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>> Want to know about open meetings act?

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because that that was one of the things

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there may have been some open meetings

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act violations. Um we are open meetings

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back. We don't we're not the authority

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on that. Meaning some open meetings act

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violations are misdemeanor criminal

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offenses. Um, some go to the attorney

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general if you think someone was doing

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something wrong, but we at least want to

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discuss it as a community. We're all one

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community, so if we're doing something

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wrong, we want to fix it, basically. Uh,

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we're not here to punish or penalize,

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but I do want to be a I want to be a we

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all want to be aware if there's

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something not happening that should be

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happen, right?

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it is punishable. Um, not necessarily by

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the council, but it is in Michigan.

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necessarily by the council or the mayor

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of Ingster, but it is a misdemeanor in

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the state of Michigan. And there have

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nuggets but I will say that after

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meetings um special meetings concluded

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in particular on July 11th

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they were told that they could not go

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into close session to discuss candidates

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whether it be the candidates the two

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candidates that they interviewed that

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day which I have photos

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videos

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interviewed prior to

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>> The Zoom which the attorney and the

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recruiter this particular day was

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joining the meeting or the interview

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were disconnected from the interview and

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so that the meeting was over. Yet the

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board members, which I have live video

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footage, still continued to meet.

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and the recruiter was on via Zoom.

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meeting was adjourned,

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>> but everybody else was in person.

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>> And by everybody else, it was just

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commissioners.

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>> Commissioners. Okay.

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You may recall July 11th was also our

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resident appreciation day.

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Myself along with two co-workers wanted

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to use the facility and grab something

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that we had left at the office. We saw

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that there were no more cars up front.

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over. We walked in through the

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boardroom. The commissioners were still

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there having a conversation.

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Papers resumes in front of them. We did

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not disturb. We walked through a back

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door to use the restroom. One of the

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colleagues was the newest. So, she had

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only been here maybe a month and a half

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or so. And

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>> say colleagues,

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>> You mean your employees?

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>> So, she's not that familiar that the

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house is like a fun house, the office.

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once she was done, she came back into

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the boardroom looking for myself and

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another team member and heard them

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discussing a candidate. Not only was it

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a candidate that they were discussing,

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it was not one that was there that day.

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know their name. And I immediately

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phoned the attorney who said that they

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had disconnected. The meeting was

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adjourned.

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I said, I have footage of that.

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I also when I walked in I said, "Oh, are

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you guys still meeting?" Of course, I

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was met with a no, but she had the

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proof. I asked, "How much longer will

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you be so that I can arm the building

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before we go back over to the uh park to

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Leone Park?" They said maybe about 10

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well, one of the questions, do you know

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whether they were they took any action

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meeting they were down to one candidate

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» You were one of the three though, right?

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>> I was not one of the three.

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>> You were not.

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» How many commissioners were there

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given time, two of them had left to come

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over to the um park. So, at the time

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when we caught them in discussion,

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Commissioner Thomas was not there.

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>> So, how many of these?

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» So, this is the same. Okay. Let make

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sure I understand. This is the same day

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as a resident's appreciation day. Yes.

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>> So, Commissioner Miller, he actually

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joined the interviews late because he

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stopped at the resident appreciation

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event first.

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>> Um, you can tell that by the time sync

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because he is in our interview video.

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Um, Commissioner Thomas joined the

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interviews first and then he left

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shortly after.

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>> Okay.

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So you the allegation here is that they

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were discussing in Easter housing

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business

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after the meeting ended and not in a

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public form.

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>> Yes.

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>> And that is one of the instidents.

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Yes.

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>> M.

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>> Yes ma'am.

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>> Um how many do you know how many um I

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know we had open meetings at

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>> um we had a girl come down.

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Two is okay. Three is dangerous. Four is

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no. That's a you cannot.

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>> So technically, you know, if we in the

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room together, we better not be talking

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this,

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>> right?

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>> Correct.

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>> You know what I'm saying? So, like I

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said, two, three is dangerous. Four is a

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no. And you said it was four people in

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there.

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>> Yes, ma'am.

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>> See, they only have five commissioners.

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So, they would have a quorum with three.

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>> With three. Correct. So, three is

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dangerous.

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>> Three. Three is a no.

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>> A no. Why?

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>> So, typically, you know, and and that's

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not unusual in the sense that, you know,

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if some of us, well, all of us pretty

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much up here are friends.

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>> I can talk to

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Councilwoman Howard about something.

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[laughter]

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>> Didn't happen at the meeting because

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there's no quorum.

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>> There's no qu.

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>> Now, we can't take any action, but we

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can discuss it if we want. I can call

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Councilwoman Richard and talk to her

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individually about the same thing,

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>> but we can't make any decisions.

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>> Correct. until we're all together and

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we're in a public setting pursuant to

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open meetings.

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>> So, um,

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>> and the, um, attorney, I'm sorry. Go

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ahead,

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>> go ahead.

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>> And the attorney I called and notified

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because the team member heard the

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candidates's name, which I know did

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interview,

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>> not that day.

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>> The other, and I'm going just, and I

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have a lot, so it's okay to give a

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little little bit of nuggets. um on June

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10th, which was the date that I finally

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had an interview, and we'll get back to

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the word finally. Um that's the one that

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I declined, but I was still there to

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help them because they were having

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technical difficulties again. Okay.

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>> So, I still stayed to help them. There

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was not a roll call done before the

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interview start.

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I raised my hand and I was acknowledged

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by Chairman Gillette and I said, "Aren't

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you guys supposed to take roll call?"

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And Miss Strowman said, "No, we're

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interviewing."

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Then

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Milt said, "Are you guys taking notes

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and roll call? You're supposed to. This

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is a meeting."

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>> And at that time, no one had note paper

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or anything. Miller actually got paper

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from the candidate, but the interview

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meeting had already began.

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>> Did they actually take a roll call after

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the attorney told him they should?

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>> No. What they did was later on in the

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interview, and it's all recorded in the

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cloud. Um, I forget if it was Miller or

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Gillette that said, "I'm sorry, we

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haven't even introduced ourselves to

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you."

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» All right. So June 10th, no roll call

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was taken. Interview happened. So a

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meeting happened with no roll calls.

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>> That is correct. And there were other

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people in attendance. Some that are in

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this room.

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>> Okay.

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>> Is that enough of the open meetings

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violation?

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>> That's you.

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>> Yeah, that's enough. I might need to say

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that's enough.

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>> Okay. One of the things I just want to

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let know, we did receive uh copy of the

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bylaws. First time I ever read them was

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today. So uh they were just adopted in

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October of 2025. So, a little under a

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year ago, October 16th, I believe. Um,

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and there were some items highlighted. I

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know you guys are familiar with the

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bylaws because you passed them. Um,

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everybody on council got a copy of I

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don't know if everybody read it, but I I

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do want to go through with that because,

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you know, it was presented and it was

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highlighted, I think, in three different

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areas that probably there should be some

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discussion on. And I I apologize for

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folks in the audience don't have a copy.

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So you can't really but I will read the pertinent parts and it's pretty

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straightforward.

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Section three is called nomination of

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the resident commissioner and there's

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the whole thing is not highlighted but

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basically it lays out a process of how

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you select a resident commissioner and I

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was unaware of this to be honest with

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you but basically you you uh it's voted

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on by the residents top three candidates

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if you have three candidates are voted

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on by the residents and then they are

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submitted to me and then mayor and

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council make the appointment. So that's

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according to this bylaws. Um I think

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that's new cuz that's not how we

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appointed them in the past, but that's

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fine. Um

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so that was adopted October 16th.

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We reappointed Commissioner Moore, who's

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the resident commissioner, November 3rd.

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Her term had already expired,

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but she continued to serve because we

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not we had not appointed anybody else or

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reappointed her. So the bylaws were in

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effect at the time we reappointed you

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officially.

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Now further on in the highlighted

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section

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um since my I'm going to take a wild

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guess there was no vote uh there was no

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top three people and there's no vote

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taken when we reappointed you. I don't

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remember anybody saying anything to me

439
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about some other people were interested.

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We typically ask somebody if they want

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to continue to serve and if they say yes

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and we want to reappoint them, we we

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make the motion and we reappoint them.

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This was new. We were not aware of this.

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So even though you passed it, no one

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gave it to us prior to November 3rd. Uh

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so we didn't know about Yes, ma'am.

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>> Can you check your emails? I gave it to

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you after we met for the first time. I

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said to you that your name was all

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through it and you said, "Well, I

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probably should see that if my name is

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all through it." I emailed it to you. It

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was probably November. I can verify when

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I get back.

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>> Oh, I'm not I'm not even going to

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dispute that. He probably did, but it's

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probably after November 3rd because

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November 3rd was the first Monday of the

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month and we probably didn't meet on

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Saturday and Sunday. I know we did. So,

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all I'm saying is I was unaware at the

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time I appointed her.

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>> I'm fine with it. Whatever you guys pass

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the bylaws, we have to deal with.

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>> You good?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Now, and you know, I kind of familiar

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with this situation. The resident

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commissioner will then serve the normal

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term for any other member of the board,

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which is a five-year term. At the

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conclusion of the term, the nomination

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process must be repeated, even if at the

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end of the result is reappoint.

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All resident commissioners must be in

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remain in good standing. No lease

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violations within the past year which

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IHC if at any point the resident

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commissioner becomes more than three

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months in a rears with rent or other

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debts to the commission or violates

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their lease in any other ways they will

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be terminated from the board and IHC

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will undertake the nomination process

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for a new appointee. Um, I don't want to

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put words in your mouth, but I am

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familiar with, there's only one resident

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member is Miss Moore. And I am familiar

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with a situation. I think we have

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discussed in the past where there was a

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mixup or something happened, but her she

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was in a rears on her rent. And I think

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I don't know if it was a mistake. I

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don't remember the details, but I know

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it was a couple years.

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>> Well, it was a long time that the

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mistake was left in place, which created

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a large balance that was due. Am I

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correct?

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All right. Um, so I I assume that's what

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we're talking about here.

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>> That's one of them. Um, and then we also

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have the bylaws for resident council as

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well.

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't hit that last

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part.

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>> Bylaws for the uh Inster Housing

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Commissioners and then also bylaws for

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the Inkster housing resident council.

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» Why is the resident council bylaws

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issued?

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because one of the same people is also

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on the resident council that had the

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violations as well and then the bylaws

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they must remain in good standing and

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there were two

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>> we we don't govern now

519
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>> I got it but I'm just sharing so it's a

520
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crossover one is on

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>> the language is the same essentially

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okay so

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I'm not I'm trying not to

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[clears throat] even though this is a

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public public hearings or meeting I'm

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not trying Not to get anybody's details

527
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of their situation. Sure. All right.

528
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>> Let's just say this. Has that been

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resolved?

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>> Yes, it was resolved last year.

531
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>> It was resolved this year.

532
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>> It was resolved last year in November.

533
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>> Okay.

534
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>> I have all the paperwork that I can

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prove that that was taken care of.

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>> Do we have any aars at this point?

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>> No.

538
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>> Miss Wales, what's your position on

539
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that?

540
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I don't want to put anyone's business

541
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out there.

542
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>> You don't I'm sorry.

543
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>> I don't want to put anybody's business

544
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out there like

545
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>> No, I don't want to hear numbers and

546
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stuff, but do

547
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» I don't know how to say this. Um

548
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do do you feel there's some Maria still

549
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outstanding?

550
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,840
>> Not in not that drastic. No, no, I

551
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:34,159
don't.

552
00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:34,880
>> Not three months.

553
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,520
>> No, no, no. Absolutely not. No. Excuse

554
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,000
me.

555
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,200
>> That's fine. Don't worry about I mean

556
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,840
that's fine. So in other words, at this

557
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,640
today this is not applicable.

558
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,799
>> No, that that part is not No.

559
00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,960
>> Okay, then we'll move on. The next

560
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,440
section was section five,

561
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,870
housing commission chairperson. Um

562
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,440
» and it basically says that the housing

563
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,960
commission chairperson should attend all

564
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:11,669
the meetings. I mean essentially um

565
00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:21,270
I'm just pausing because

566
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600
now I'm trying to put my finger on it.

567
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,600
My understanding is that if you miss

568
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,679
more than how many meetings?

569
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:28,320
>> Three.

570
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,480
meetings. Um,

571
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,840
this is the way I read it. If you miss

572
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,960
more than three meetings, the commission

573
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,400
has can contact the mayor and say, "Hey,

574
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,400
the person hasn't been coming. We need

575
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,000
somebody to replace it."

576
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,760
>> That's I'm paraphrasing, but that's my

577
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,400
understanding.

578
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,919
>> Mr. Mayor, isn't that unexcused?

579
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:51,520
>> Their bylaws don't speak to excuse,

580
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,520
aren't you? If you miss the meetings,

581
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,960
>> they have the commission has the

582
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,400
opportunity to say, "Hey, we're trying

583
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,840
to conduct business and this person's

584
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,480
not coming."

585
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:58,960
>> Okay,

586
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,559
>> mayor, you need to do something about

587
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,480
>> Okay.

588
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,320
Take a break. One second. Let's make a

589
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,679
master copy. Make a copy.

590
00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:06,320
>> Oh, you need this?

591
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,919
>> Because when we have the feature that

592
00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:09,200
was used to highlight it, it blocked

593
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,480
stuff out. It won't print. Right.

594
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,840
>> Oh, okay.

595
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,360
>> Real quick. Yeah. Just 30 seconds. I'll

596
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:14,080
bring yours right now.

597
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,640
>> Okay.

598
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,559
>> Thank you.

599
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,480
>> All right. Just Just so everybody knows,

600
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,120
I was never contacted about anybody

601
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,960
missing in meetings. I am aware that Mr.

602
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000
Gillette is working out of town, but no

603
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,080
commissioner has contacted me or sent me

604
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,000
an email asking for him to be replaced.

605
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,880
Now, the language says shall, and excuse

606
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,200
all the legal junk. Shall means they

607
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,840
have an option to let me know or not.

608
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,960
Um, I'm sorry, they may. Shall. May.

609
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,120
It was the question, not shall. If

610
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,320
it says shall, they have to tell me. May

611
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,400
is their option to let me know if it's a

612
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,440
prop.

613
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000
>> So, I read it as they had an option. I

614
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080
did not get contacted.

615
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,080
>> So, I haven't done anything. So,

616
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320
>> mayor, can I speak? Mhm.

617
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,280
>> So, as we did when um Commissioner

618
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,320
Strowman was out

619
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,440
>> ill,

620
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,080
>> we knew that she was out ill for several

621
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:10,640
months,

622
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,120
>> right?

623
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,080
>> Um we knew that as her that was her

624
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000
still absence. So, we all came to the

625
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,320
conclusion that you know we did not need

626
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,480
any practice. It's the same way with Mr.

627
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,679
Gillette.

628
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,960
>> We know that his job took took him to

629
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,159
out of town.

630
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:28,880
>> He has been trying to communicate, you

631
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,640
know, we Miller spoken with him. He was

632
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,159
here. He was here in May. He was here in

633
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,320
June and he also was here in July.

634
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,000
>> Y

635
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,840
>> that was one of the reasons why we did

636
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,909
not.

637
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:47,200
» So the way I understand they basically

638
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,480
have discretion. Um and I I was

639
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,240
definitely aware of Commissioner

640
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,280
Strowman's

641
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,840
>> when she missed meetings. Um I was with

642
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,960
her. I mean, so I was aware of that and

643
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,000
they did not take any action. And then

644
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
um Sher Gillette, I spoke to him at

645
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919
least once since he's been in California

646
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:08,640
and they did not take action.

647
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,360
>> Sure. Go ahead.

648
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,080
>> Uh so yes, there is a difference between

649
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,760
unexcused for certain reasons. Miss uh

650
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,840
Commissioner Strowman did notify me

651
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,159
herself as the AED. Matter of fact, I

652
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:27,279
think I might have Yeah, it was right after that. Um after we had the

653
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,440
transition in leadership,

654
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,400
>> she notified me. Typically when the

655
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,960
board will not be able to attend a board

656
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,080
meeting, they notify me.

657
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,400
>> Notifications and communications stopped

658
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,799
after February 5th, 2026 when the mayor

659
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,159
of Ingster said my name in his state of

660
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:50,159
the city address.

661
00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:52,559
>> Period. Period. Okay.

662
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,200
>> From who? from

663
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,679
three other board uh three of the board

664
00:24:57,679 --> 00:24:58,559
commissioners.

665
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,400
>> So when you say stop communicating, they

666
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,760
talk to you at the meeting because you

667
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,880
guys have to talk at a meeting.

668
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,760
>> Yeah, we talk at the meetings. Um but

669
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,360
it's a different style. But as far as

670
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,320
like responding to emails, calling me,

671
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,159
someone else will be notified. So I say

672
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:15,600
that to say to this moment, Gregory

673
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,880
Gillette has not notified the AED that I

674
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,840
am on assignment in California. I

675
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,080
actually found out from the recruiter,

676
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,320
not even from Commissioner Moore. Only

677
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,240
found out from Commissioner Moore when

678
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,919
she said that it's a three-hour time

679
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,760
difference and she had to call him late

680
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,039
in the day.

681
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,360
>> So, what do are you saying you think he

682
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,200
has an obligation to let you know?

683
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,679
>> I'm saying that's professional. We we we

684
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:42,159
plan a meeting. Um we're going through a

685
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:44,559
process. I'm running an agency.

686
00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:45,600
>> Yeah. Yeah. But

687
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,039
>> communication, he's the chair.

688
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,720
>> Yeah. But he could be as unprofessional

689
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880
as he wants. It's a volunteer position.

690
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,000
So that's

691
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,360
>> those are excuses.

692
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,600
>> Oh, no, no, no, hold on. I I No, no. We

693
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,880
not we not going to rock this meeting

694
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,720
like that. Let me Let me let y'all know

695
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,640
this is not the housing meeting. This is

696
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240
the Insta City Council meeting. We don't

697
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,400
talk out of turn. You will have

698
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,919
opportunity to talk because I I want to

699
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:07,360
hear what you have to say. If you want

700
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,360
to do a public comment, but we we're not

701
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,799
going to have chatter coming from the

702
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,200
audience. You know, it's not going down

703
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,640
like that. All I'm saying to you is that

704
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,960
okay, we can take that under

705
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,200
consideration as the person who appoints

706
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,480
and removes. Um,

707
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,840
but I just wanted to make sure that you

708
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,200
didn't feel he had an obligation to

709
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,600
communicate with you cuz I I didn't see

710
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,360
that anywhere in the bylaws. That's all

711
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,279
I'm saying.

712
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,039
I'm not defending him. I'm just saying I

713
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,279
didn't see that he had to contact you.

714
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,760
Um, I just see your duties for the

715
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,919
commissioners. If they they think so,

716
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,679
they want to report it to me, which they

717
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:45,760
have not. I didn't see anything about

718
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,120
any communication with you. But I

719
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,559
understand what you're saying. Once I

720
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,159
open my big mouth at the state of the

721
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:53,279
city in support of you, you did not he

722
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,720
did not communicate directly with you

723
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,159
anymore. Right.

724
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:56,960
>> That is correct.

725
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,159
>> Okay. All right.

726
00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:04,240
The reason why the communication wasn't

727
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,279
um related to her after you made that

728
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,919
statement, Miss Wells had notified us

729
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,720
that she was going to be a candidate.

730
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,440
So, um there was information that, you

731
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,520
know, we really could not speak to her

732
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,679
about because we were already into a

733
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:24,480
third party person that was uh coming

734
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,880
in November of 2025. You

735
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,919
>> record her?

736
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:30,080
>> Yes. Okay.

737
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,960
>> And then and at that point by the time

738
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,760
January came, you know, it was like she

739
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,080
wanted to be first. She said no. Then

740
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,600
she was like yes, she want to be

741
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,520
considered for the ED position. Okay.

742
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,600
>> Once you did that, you know, it was like

743
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,080
she's considered to be an ED. So we

744
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080
cannot relay any information to her or

745
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080
talk to her about different things

746
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919
because she was going to be a candidate

747
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,559
for the ED position. I mean, it would be

748
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,164
like us talking to the other candidates,

749
00:27:56,164 --> 00:28:00,559
[clears throat] letting them know this this this and I do have a email

750
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,559
that she did send me letting me know

751
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,200
that any correspondence that need to go

752
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,039
out send it to Miss Jan White because of

753
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,399
you know her position.

754
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,399
>> That makes sense. I mean I think she's

755
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,320
talking about something else though. But

756
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,919
>> um [clears throat and cough]

757
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:17,200
>> yeah you she should have been part of

758
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,799
the process if she's a candidate. No

759
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:20,399
question. Or even discussion about the

760
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:20,799
process.

761
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:21,440
>> Exactly.

762
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,520
>> She's talking about communicating

763
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,559
whether you're going to make it to a

764
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,200
meeting or not. So, probably two

765
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,120
different things. Um, but again, I don't

766
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,159
think he had an obligation. We may or

767
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:33,679
agree or disagree with it. It was

768
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,120
unprofessional if he didn't communicate

769
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,960
with her. I mean, I don't have any

770
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,000
opinion, you know, but I understand what

771
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,360
she's saying when she's saying she

772
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,840
expected communication. Let's say that.

773
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Um, but okay. Nevertheless,

774
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,440
should do we need to discuss that any

775
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,480
further? I mean, I I don't know what to

776
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,200
do with that.

777
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
I think we should. And the only reason I

778
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,840
say that is because yeah, she skipped a

779
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,679
lot of months. The email to reach out to

780
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:02,960
Jamila

781
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,679
>> was way closer to today's date.

782
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:06,640
>> Is that?

783
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120
>> Yes. It was not in February. It was not

784
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120
in March. It was not in April. The

785
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520
contract and everything, he was not even

786
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,919
paid until March.

787
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,360
>> So,

788
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,720
>> who wasn't paid? I'm sorry.

789
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,840
>> Uh, stand quiet.

790
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,960
>> Oh, you talking about the recruit? I

791
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,000
thought you told Mr. Jul.

792
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,559
>> She's saying he was uh uh what do you

793
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,480
say? Procured and all that in November.

794
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
That is not true.

795
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,279
>> He didn't get

796
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:30,720
>> But really, that doesn't matter. I mean,

797
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,399
>> no, but but she's what she's saying is

798
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,159
that was the reason why Chairman

799
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:35,919
Gillette stopped communicating with me,

800
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:37,360
which makes no sense at all when I'm

801
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,240
running your agency.

802
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,360
>> You already told me your version of why

803
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,200
he stopped commun after I said I support

804
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360
you, he stopped communicating to you.

805
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,120
That's very clear. Um

806
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,120
>> and as did uh Commissioner Moore. No, I

807
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,080
mean,

808
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,480
>> Mr. Mayor, just a question. Um, Miss

809
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Swells, would

810
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,760
>> So, is there a secretary of the Inkster

811
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,559
housing commission?

812
00:29:58,559 --> 00:29:58,880
>> Yes.

813
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,679
>> Who's the secretary?

814
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:01,360
>> Oh, of the Inkster Housing Commission?

815
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:01,919
>> Yes.

816
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,000
>> Uh, typically it's myself.

817
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,039
>> Takes the minutes.

818
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,559
>> So, you take the minutes.

819
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,399
>> Okay. So, now Jamila does because I'm in

820
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,159
this dual role. Jamila White. Yes.

821
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:11,840
>> Gotcha. Okay. And the reason I was

822
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,039
asking u Mr. there is in the how we went

823
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,159
back and forth on the planning

824
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,240
commission with the recorded secretary

825
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,399
really just kind of past practice

826
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:22,480
certifying the minutes but most times

827
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,840
the clerk or the secretary of the board

828
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,559
is whomever would be responsible for

829
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,120
receiving the absences. Um it is you

830
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,279
know professional courtesy that a board

831
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,520
member would alert somebody from the

832
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,520
board that they're going to be absent

833
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,120
for an extended amount of time whatever

834
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,320
the case may be unless they're

835
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,799
incapacitated because they do jeopardize

836
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,640
one of having a quorum. Mhm.

837
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,399
>> So yeah, I think you know that's

838
00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,720
something that the board needs to take

839
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,559
into consideration regardless of it

840
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:49,919
being in the bylaws or not.

841
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:51,279
>> No, no, but he he communicated with

842
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:51,679
them.

843
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:52,799
>> Oh, he communicated with them.

844
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,279
>> No, no, they knew where they knew.

845
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:55,919
>> She didn't know.

846
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:58,000
>> So at the meeting,

847
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,600
no one from the board when his name was

848
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,279
called Road said anything. They just sat

849
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,430
there. Y'all just sat there silent.

850
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,960
» You just said absent, but you didn't say

851
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
he's out of town. He

852
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
>> said California. I mean, you know, I was

853
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,200
under the impression that we all knew

854
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,039
that he was in California. It wasn't

855
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,440
like it was a secret because he did let

856
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,440
everyone know that his job was taking

857
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,360
him to California.

858
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,039
>> I think all the commissioners knew for

859
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:25,520
sure.

860
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,039
>> Okay.

861
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,559
So, you said he let everyone know was

862
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,360
his email in a formal meeting or just in

863
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,039
passing?

864
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,039
>> I don't know if it was an email or not

865
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,840
at this moment because I did talk to

866
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,909
email

867
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,880
Okay. I was just bringing that up for

868
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,000
the future uh any commissioners just to

869
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080
know that hey it's a common courtesy to

870
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,720
let your colleagues and or whomever the

871
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120
clerk of the board whether it's the ex

872
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,840
uh acting executive director or not or

873
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,000
an appointed clerk at that particular

874
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,519
time hey I'm not going to be at this

875
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,760
meeting because of x y and z that way

876
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,600
because when we get ready to you know

877
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,679
come up if no one is communicated and we

878
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,039
sitting here waiting on the rest of the

879
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:10,159
board members to show up and we don't

880
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:13,519
have a quorum we can't conduct business

881
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:14,559
that makes sense.

882
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,840
>> Makes sense.

883
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,159
>> Great.

884
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,799
>> Yeah. I found out um if I may, I

885
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:20,960
actually found out as I said by staying

886
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080
quiet because when I was originally

887
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,320
finally reached out to on

888
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Oh goodness, it was I'm going to let you

889
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,919
know the exact date

890
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,320
after all the emails. he reached out to

891
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,880
me on Saturday, May 9th, which we also

892
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,279
were having um a Mother's Day event over

893
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,200
at the Simmons Center. And so I remember

894
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,039
it vividly because I was shopping for

895
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,360
flowers for the ladies when he called.

896
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,880
And he said that he was calling to

897
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,720
schedule um an interview for May 13th at

898
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,039
8:00 p.m. And I did ask why did it, you

899
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,559
know, need to occur at 8:00 p.m. And

900
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,679
that's when he said that. Oh yeah,

901
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,480
chairman is in uh California and I don't

902
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,399
know when he's coming back. I said he

903
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:13,120
may not be back for a while. That was

904
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,870
how I was notified.

905
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,799
» Okay.

906
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,240
>> Anything else on this issue,

907
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
commissioners?

908
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720
>> I do have a something to say as far as

909
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,320
the opening.

910
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,120
>> Sure.

911
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,310
>> Go ahead.

912
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,080
So the very first one that we were

913
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600
supposed to have was supposed to be for

914
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,080
Friday, May 22nd and that Saturday, May

915
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,960
23rd.

916
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,360
>> Okay.

917
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,240
>> Um the information was taken with myself

918
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,120
and the receptionist. We changed the top

919
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,919
part of the of the meeting, the dates

920
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:50,159
and everything. I didn't look at the

921
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:52,320
Zoom link because I mean I don't do the

922
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,559
Zoom link. This came from out of the

923
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,919
computer at 4500 in the road. So why did

924
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:59,039
you do it this time?

925
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:00,559
>> Well, I was doing it because of the

926
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,480
simple fact the meeting had to be the

927
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,799
special meeting had to be posted and by

928
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,760
Miss Wells being in, you know, in the

929
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,159
candidate and I had to make sure that was done. I do have a letter here

930
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,960
that she told me to make sure that I

931
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,159
gave everything to Janu also to Troy

932
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,599
>> and also to our person that communicate

933
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,159
because um since she could not get that

934
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,399
information

935
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,800
that as a matter of fact that email was

936
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,159
dated for May Monday May 18th

937
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,159
>> you don't have that I can always

938
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,520
>> is that the meeting that end up getting

939
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,560
cancelled Yes, that's one of them.

940
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,280
>> Um because

941
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
as a matter of fact, Mayor Pro

942
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,280
Steven Tism called me and told me there

943
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,440
was a number missing from off of the

944
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Zoom link. And I was like, how? Cuz all

945
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,359
I did was copy. We came copy the seat

946
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:02,560
out of the computer and repost at that

947
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,320
meeting.

948
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,240
was to be able to do

949
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,200
that meeting. Milton

950
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,720
could never pronounce his last name, but

951
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,960
>> he told us that we could not have that

952
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,200
meeting because of that Zoom link was

953
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440
missing that number that particular

954
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,960
meeting that's the meeting that Miss

955
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,440
Wells was supposed to interview. She was

956
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,560
in the she was in the office in her

957
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,640
office on Zoom which um Chair Dette did

958
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,119
say that he had asked her not to be in

959
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:38,160
the building because he wanted her to be on Zoom so that none of

960
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,839
the and all the candidates was like

961
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,440
that. He wanted everybody to be have the

962
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,400
same process for the interview at that

963
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,200
time.

964
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,560
>> How would the process be any different

965
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,680
if she was in the building?

966
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,240
>> I I don't know. I cannot question him.

967
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,920
I'm just saying what was said.

968
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,240
>> Okay.

969
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,000
>> At that time, like I said,

970
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
>> the chair. The chair.

971
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,119
>> He didn't want her in the building when

972
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:58,480
she did her Zoom interview.

973
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,789
>> Is this the chair that's in California?

974
00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:05,440
[laughter]

975
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,400
>> He was here.

976
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,119
>> Oh, he was here.

977
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,280
>> He was here. So what was the Zoom for?

978
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,960
>> The Zoom was for We were told that there

979
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,720
had to be an open meeting. There had to

980
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,440
be participants on the Zoom and and in

981
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,079
person.

982
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,920
>> Oh, so some of the candidates had to do

983
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,640
it by Zoom.

984
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,640
>> Yes. All the candidates did it by Zoom.

985
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,280
>> Okay. Okay.

986
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,760
>> So that's why all the candidates did by

987
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,440
the Zoom, but we found out that they

988
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320
couldn't get in. It was because

989
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,160
he told us that there was a there was a

990
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,760
number. At that point, everybody was

991
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,720
still on the Zoom link. And it was said,

992
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,720
and I know everybody here know, the

993
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,480
commissioner knows it was said that the

994
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,760
Zoom link, and I quote,

995
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,920
I made sure all my people had the right

996
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Zoom link, but Mrs. Moore didn't. And

997
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,320
she's on the Zoom now, and Mrs. Moore

998
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,240
didn't give them the correct Zoom link.

999
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,880
So, when she came out and Mil before she

1000
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,200
came out, Mil said, "This meeting has to

1001
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,880
be cancelled. we have to stop this

1002
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,000
meeting, which we did. At that point, he

1003
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,839
did say that they could be they could be

1004
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:08,400
able to go through the sunshine law and

1005
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,480
we could be able to have to have 18

1006
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,680
hours

1007
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,760
>> before we post the correction for the

1008
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,280
meeting. That was done. Mr. Gillette

1009
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,200
um has done like Mr. Gillette initiated.

1010
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,640
said that this was okay for us to cross

1011
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,119
out the May 22nd date, put the right

1012
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,960
Zoom number and put the Saturday, May

1013
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,680
30th, 2026 4 p.m. start. This was posted

1014
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,200
on the building at 4500 and on the

1015
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,839
building at 20 295

1016
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:38,800
Simmons building.

1017
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,470
>> Okay. And

1018
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,280
» and here.

1019
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,480
>> Yeah. Oh, and here. And we

1020
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,320
commissioner Miller came and put it on

1021
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:48,960
the door.

1022
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,839
>> Okay. So that was all taken care of. So

1023
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:53,359
>> did you meet the next day?

1024
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:54,240
>> Yes, we did.

1025
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,200
>> What happened at the meeting?

1026
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,119
>> We met we met the next day, which I do

1027
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,079
have a um

1028
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,720
I do have something from the our third

1029
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,040
party, Mr. Stan Quay, but he tried to

1030
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880
get in touch with Miss Wils the night

1031
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,680
before. He did say he spoke with her

1032
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,320
because she was a little upset, which I

1033
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,359
understood why she was upset because she

1034
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,280
said she was prepared for the interview,

1035
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,839
but it did not He wanted her to come at

1036
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,359
4:00 the next day.

1037
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:22,240
>> The next day.

1038
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:22,640
>> Yes.

1039
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,040
>> Okay.

1040
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,440
>> She said at that time she said no. But I

1041
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,880
do have the the paperwork that says that

1042
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,760
he did try to contact her. He did try to

1043
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,320
contact her on her email, but he did

1044
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,359
both office and personal email because

1045
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:39,599
it was a Saturday. He wanted to see if

1046
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,280
she was going to be able to be scheduled

1047
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680
for that meeting. He said there was a no

1048
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,359
call. No sir. Oh, she did not he she did

1049
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:48,400
not communicate with him.

1050
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:48,880
>> No.

1051
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,280
>> Okay.

1052
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,119
>> He did not communicate with him at that

1053
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,040
point. And we did get a he did send

1054
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,359
another letter or email. She told us

1055
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,800
that she had take a mental day and that

1056
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440
was why. So that was one of the reason

1057
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,760
why she did not get that interview. But

1058
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,440
>> she still with you on I'm sorry for

1059
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,280
interrupting. Is she still was she still

1060
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,640
with you on Friday when you decided to

1061
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,720
move the date to Saturday? Was she still

1062
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,320
>> Yes, she was still in the room. She was

1063
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,000
still in the room that particular day

1064
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400
that that Friday because she was really

1065
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,040
upset. She she like I said I

1066
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,800
>> Well, she was in the room with you.

1067
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,079
>> I was in the room.

1068
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,320
>> No, not same room with her.

1069
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880
>> Excuse when um she came out.

1070
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,520
>> I wasn't there.

1071
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,800
>> She came out of when she came out of her

1072
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,680
office.

1073
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,760
>> Yes, I was I was in the room still.

1074
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,640
>> Did y'all decide

1075
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,839
>> We all was still in the room.

1076
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:34,960
>> Did you decide you're going to meet the

1077
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,480
next day while she was in the room?

1078
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,079
>> Yes. She knew that we were going to meet

1079
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,359
the next day that Saturday.

1080
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:40,000
>> Okay.

1081
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,720
>> Like I said, but it was Mr. Craig took

1082
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,119
her out of your hall because he asked

1083
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,160
her but she was really really upset you

1084
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,560
know and so he asked her at that time

1085
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,599
would she be able to interview at 4:00

1086
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,400
she did tell him no he did tell her well

1087
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,079
you need to get with me to so we can

1088
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,520
reschedu

1089
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,720
>> for Saturday now I have all those his

1090
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,440
emails I have them stating that this

1091
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,359
information I'm not just talking

1092
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:09,280
>> so I'm just only reason I as so it

1093
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,520
wasn't a no call no No, he talked to

1094
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,000
her. She said she was unavailable and he

1095
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,520
said he'd get back with her later for

1096
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,240
with another time.

1097
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,920
>> He did. It was both in the in the email.

1098
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,359
They both did. They said that they were

1099
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,760
going to get back with him to reschedu

1100
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,480
the

1101
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:22,960
>> Okay.

1102
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,640
>> But like I said, he said when he tried

1103
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
to call her, she didn't answer. So, you

1104
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
know, we end up going on with the

1105
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,040
interview.

1106
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,560
>> So, the next day you interviewed some

1107
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,520
other folks.

1108
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,800
>> Okay.

1109
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,960
>> So, that was the only violation for Oh,

1110
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,599
I'm sorry. of July of July 11th

1111
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,160
that was posted that we all were there.

1112
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,520
That was the day of the resident

1113
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,760
appreciation.

1114
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,839
>> Um

1115
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:53,359
there was a correction. I was want to

1116
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,040
correct that. You said that Mr. Miller

1117
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,079
came straight over there. No, Mr. Miller

1118
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,480
came to the interviews that we would

1119
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,000
have but there was two people that was

1120
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,440
interviewing because one had already

1121
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,640
interviewed that Friday.

1122
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,040
That was from July of July 10th and this

1123
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,599
is July 11th. He came he said that he

1124
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,160
was going to go over he would to do the

1125
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,560
interview at the for appreciation. So he

1126
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,440
came in first and let us know that he

1127
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,200
was and then he left

1128
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,000
>> at that point. He had just left myself

1129
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,839
and commissioner was commissioner Thomas

1130
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:34,240
there at that time. Yes, he was myself.

1131
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,680
No, I'm sorry. He was not there. He got

1132
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,880
a chance to see um

1133
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,720
>> both was it both entries? Okay. I'm

1134
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,800
sorry. My mistake. Yeah. He was there as

1135
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160
myself, Mr. Thomas

1136
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,359
and Commissioner.

1137
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:50,880
>> Okay. Four out of the five.

1138
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,359
>> Yes. And so after that, like I said,

1139
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:56,160
because they did come in, she wasn't

1140
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,319
telling the story. They did her name.

1141
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,960
>> And at that time, you know, we were

1142
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,119
talking about the

1143
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,280
both candidates that was it want to talk

1144
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,440
about anything else and we told them

1145
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,839
give them about 10 minutes I told about

1146
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,520
10 minutes

1147
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,480
at that point

1148
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,079
Mr. Thomas left that left myself and

1149
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,839
we all walked out because I told her let

1150
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:26,550
me go over to the res

1151
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
» okay I think I saw y'all over there I

1152
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,920
know I saw Mr. Miller. Um, okay. So, let

1153
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,760
me safe to say you were not aware that

1154
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680
you couldn't disc shouldn't be

1155
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,560
discussing.

1156
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,160
>> Yes, we knew that, you know, so we

1157
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,160
didn't discuss, like I said, when he

1158
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,079
came back, Mr. Miller came back for the last person that we were

1159
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,760
interviewing and we all we talked the

1160
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,400
gentleman left, we talked, we made that

1161
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,400
because the for some reason the Zoom

1162
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,200
link kept giving us only 30 minutes and

1163
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,160
it was shut off.

1164
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Somebody had the cheap account.

1165
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,349
>> Free free account.

1166
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:04,480
[laughter]

1167
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,800
>> That was the reason why we end up losing

1168
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
milk and sand.

1169
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:09,839
>> Okay.

1170
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:12,800
>> So, y'all did discuss two of the

1171
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
candidates after the meeting had ended.

1172
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,839
>> Not really after the meeting had ended.

1173
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,839
We discussed after the candidate had

1174
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,680
left. The candidate had just left

1175
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,079
because he had his children.

1176
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,160
>> No, no one had adjourned the meeting.

1177
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,440
You see, you did not in the meeting.

1178
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,599
>> No, we didn't end the meeting

1179
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,280
>> because we were still sitting there

1180
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,160
because we were trying to get and milk

1181
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,680
back on the line because we wanted to

1182
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,920
make sure that they knew what we want

1183
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,599
had to do. Okay. is because we were

1184
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:48,319
supposed to do um questionnaers to score

1185
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:49,760
all three of those candidates.

1186
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,240
>> Okay.

1187
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,920
>> And as she said there was only one

1188
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,000
candidate. No, there was still three

1189
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,240
candidates. We scored all three of the

1190
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:56,640
candidates.

1191
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,800
>> Oh, she said it was three, not counting

1192
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,040
herself. I think that's what she said. I

1193
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,240
think she That's what she said. Do y'all

1194
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:02,480
remember?

1195
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,280
>> You're correct, Mayor.

1196
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,160
>> Oh, you weren't here. [laughter]

1197
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,319
Uh but anyway, y'all had never adjourned

1198
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:09,680
the meeting. So, basically, the meeting

1199
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,119
was still going. Whether Milt's there or

1200
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,119
not is irrelevant, Right. The meeting

1201
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,440
was still going. We wasn't just talking

1202
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520
amongst ourselves. Meeting was still

1203
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
going because of the simple fact we had

1204
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,599
just two candidates had just left.

1205
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:22,160
>> Okay.

1206
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,520
>> And we wanted to make sure that

1207
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,359
Commissioner Miller found out. Well, he

1208
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:26,800
kind of didn't want to one of the

1209
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,119
candidates was [clears throat]

1210
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:30,240
>> not.

1211
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,880
>> I doubt he didn't. But um we wanted to

1212
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,640
let him hear his opinion about

1213
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,880
everything when he came back in. So when

1214
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,760
they came in, it was quite a few of the

1215
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,280
ladies that came in. They came in

1216
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,200
through the side door, you know, and

1217
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,280
then like I said, we, you know, because

1218
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,880
that wasn't the first interruption we

1219
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,200
had had, but it was okay. We just was

1220
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,520
like, fine. So, you know, like I said,

1221
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
and I do have everything.

1222
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,920
>> Mr. Mayor,

1223
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,359
>> um, while we're on that particular

1224
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:00,160
subject with open meetings and utilizing

1225
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,680
a virtual platform, um, going forward in

1226
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,760
the future, a note should be taken for

1227
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,960
Zoom. If you are going to post a meeting

1228
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,359
using Zoom and allow candidates or

1229
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:13,200
whomever to join the meeting with the

1230
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,760
public body, um, a couple things should

1231
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,599
be

1232
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:21,200
uniform across the board. If the acting

1233
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,160
executive director is making the Zoom

1234
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,280
meeting or scheduling it, the PMI option

1235
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,200
should be selected, which means personal

1236
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,200
meeting ID. That is the one that is

1237
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,520
associated firmly with that Zoom

1238
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,800
account. If the meeting ends for

1239
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480
whatever the reason may be, whether it's

1240
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
a technical difficulty or if it's a time

1241
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,359
limit, if you restart that meeting with

1242
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:46,480
that same PMI, it will be the exact same

1243
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,920
information that is on the meeting

1244
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,760
notice. If you start a new meeting

1245
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,760
without the PMI, it will not be the

1246
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,200
exact same information. Therefore, it

1247
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,720
violates the open meetings act.

1248
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,240
>> I want to say this one thing and I want

1249
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,760
to read it to you because this is what

1250
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,800
it said because I text her to ask the

1251
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,480
question. This is from Miss Wells to me.

1252
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,359
It actually says um I do not believe

1253
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:08,800
that there are any issues that will

1254
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,400
prevent you from using the already

1255
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,400
generated board meeting link and that's

1256
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
what I thought that we had on the page.

1257
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,040
You you can use the copy and paste

1258
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,200
feature that is in the calendar invite

1259
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,520
for tomorrow for ease of use. Please

1260
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,920
note that an announcement says document

1261
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,079
sheets will still need to be created

1262
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,000
distributed to appropriate outlet for

1263
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,560
the city. We typically use um PR Mr. T

1264
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,870
seat internal communication office

1265
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,880
talking to me but however since I am not

1266
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,720
directly involved in this matter to

1267
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,280
white should be included instead this is

1268
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,359
David from Monday May 18th

1269
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:51,359
>> gotcha yeah I just wanted to make that

1270
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:53,520
note um because that goes for anybody

1271
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,599
who creates it once that meeting is

1272
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:57,040
scheduled

1273
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,680
>> um via Zoom it should you should make

1274
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,000
sure that it's the personal meeting ID

1275
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,280
for uniformity across the board because

1276
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,119
that's what's on the notice. And so if

1277
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,640
you start a new one and that box isn't

1278
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,920
checked, it's going to change that

1279
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,119
information. You're going to be

1280
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,640
scrambling in the middle of the meetings

1281
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,560
trying to get

1282
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,920
employees or candidates or elected

1283
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,839
officials, whatever the case may be, the

1284
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,839
new information to get online and then

1285
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,680
if that happens again, it's just a

1286
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160
recycling type of matter of issues. So I

1287
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,720
just wanted to make that note. Um if

1288
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,880
there's no central person create uh

1289
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,800
making it just for continuity.

1290
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,599
>> Okay.

1291
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,160
>> All right. So are we anything else needs

1292
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,079
to be said on the meeting where they

1293
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,920
were talking about candidates?

1294
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,079
>> Uh yeah. Uh she just said it was the two

1295
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,520
that they had interviewed that day or

1296
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,880
maybe even including the one that they

1297
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
interviewed that night before. That is

1298
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,680
not the name of the candidate that the

1299
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,319
employee heard. Period.

1300
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,000
>> But do you understand though if the

1301
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,440
meeting was not adjourned, they can talk

1302
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,400
about any candidate.

1303
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,520
>> I also confirmed because July 11th was

1304
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,480
Milton Spic's birthday. By the time I

1305
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,000
spoke with him, he was out having

1306
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,960
dinner. So the meeting had adjourned,

1307
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,240
like I said, at least 45 minutes before.

1308
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,000
>> I have access to the cameras.

1309
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,599
>> Hold on. Hold on. Whether Mint was there

1310
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:20,640
or not doesn't mean the meeting

1311
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,400
adjourned. I'm just saying I don't know

1312
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,599
whether it was adjourned or not. I'm

1313
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,520
just saying Milton is not necessary for

1314
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,359
the meeting. The city attorney I mean

1315
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:29,760
the the attorney is not necessary.

1316
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,079
>> I'm sharing with you that before the

1317
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,720
meeting adjourned they wanted to go into

1318
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,520
close session and discuss candidates. He

1319
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,200
himself will share this. He told them no

1320
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,119
you have to do it in open meeting.

1321
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,200
>> Do it in public.

1322
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,760
>> Okay we got it. We're done. They did the

1323
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
meeting adjournment. I never saw those

1324
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,480
um particular, you know, notes. It's on

1325
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,319
the board minutes that I didn't get

1326
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:56,800
those. But when I called him back, he

1327
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,720
said, "Yeah, we were done a while ago."

1328
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,640
And I reviewed the footage and he was

1329
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,720
correct. I saw when they logged off.

1330
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,640
>> Okay. What I'm focusing in, I'm sorry

1331
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,599
cuz my brain I'm very linear.

1332
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,280
If no one made a motion to adjourn the

1333
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,480
meeting and they stayed and kept

1334
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640
talking, the meeting is still going. If

1335
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,559
someone made a motion to adjourn and it

1336
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,480
vote got voted on and they adjourned the

1337
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,160
meeting, then you are 100% correct. If

1338
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,880
they kept talking, there's a problem.

1339
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,920
>> I can confirm they did.

1340
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,599
>> I I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm just

1341
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:24,960
saying that's to me that's what I'm

1342
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,800
zeroing in on. They saying they didn't

1343
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,200
make a motion. If you heard a motion

1344
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,640
because you were on Zoom. Well, I think

1345
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,520
the Zoom ended at that point.

1346
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,280
>> No, the Zoom was over. Yeah.

1347
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,040
>> I don't know. I mean, I guess if you

1348
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,760
weren't in the room,

1349
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,040
>> just trust me.

1350
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,839
>> I got my ways. Um, but anyways, I just

1351
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:42,160
wanted to combat some of the things that

1352
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,240
she was sharing. Um, if we and it's

1353
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,200
really quickly, I'm not going to take

1354
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520
you down long memory lane, but I will

1355
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,160
share this with the council. I have all

1356
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,079
of the dates of this horrible experience

1357
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,559
during this process. And one of them,

1358
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,040
um, cuz Mayor, I know you personally

1359
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,720
just last Monday, I believe it was on

1360
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:01,680
the 17th, was approached by Miss Ivonne

1361
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,599
Moore, and the only thing that I kept

1362
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,079
hearing while I stood over there was her

1363
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,319
saying, "I declined. I canceled. I was a

1364
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:10,640
no-show." That is not correct. As I

1365
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,040
said, Stan reached out to me on May 9th

1366
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,280
at 8 in the morning on a Saturday to

1367
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,079
schedule me for May 13th. Okay, this

1368
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,720
should sound familiar because when we

1369
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,880
did the commercial, you asked, they

1370
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,760
cancelled my interview the night before

1371
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,480
at 7:53 p.m. And the reason was because

1372
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,200
they were notified that they did not

1373
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,760
adhere to the Open Meetings Act. They

1374
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,520
had not posted it. They had not made it

1375
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:39,920
public.

1376
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,119
>> Clear on that. But this what I'm trying

1377
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,119
to it was a statement made. I don't know

1378
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,119
if it's true or not that you were there

1379
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,400
and he talked to you that night.

1380
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:49,680
>> Unless No, that's wrong.

1381
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,480
>> Y'all hear that?

1382
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,160
>> That is wrong. This is a whole time and

1383
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,200
that's what I'm saying. You're hearing

1384
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,200
the the the villain side. You're not

1385
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,160
hearing the truth. My original first

1386
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:04,640
interview was scheduled for May 13th

1387
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,359
at 8:00 p.m. This is a Wednesday. So it

1388
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:09,040
wasn't made the later date in May. You

1389
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,359
said

1390
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,280
>> correct. It started way before the

1391
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,599
information that you all have received.

1392
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,800
>> Okay. So I can vividly tell you it was a

1393
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,520
Tuesday night at 7:53 p.m. because I sat

1394
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,599
in the parking lot at Famous Days

1395
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,359
because I stayed in the office to

1396
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:25,200
prepare because I was excited for my

1397
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,440
interview the next day. And right up

1398
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,800
against that 24-hour mark, Stan reached

1399
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,440
out. I too have the same email that she

1400
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,440
has. I have everything. This is just a

1401
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,359
percentage of it. Was that was that

1402
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:39,119
meeting noticed up?

1403
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:40,240
>> No.

1404
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,720
>> Now I also have it recorded where when

1405
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,359
he reached out to me, I also advised him

1406
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:48,160
to make sure that it was properly posted

1407
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,440
and communicated. And he said that,

1408
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,880
"Yeah, we didn't have to do that with

1409
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,720
Aaron. I don't know how they handled it

1410
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,800
with the last person, but I'll let them

1411
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
handle that." Okay, that was on the 9th,

1412
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,280
right? I have it documented. Moving

1413
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,920
forward, they cancelled that interview.

1414
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,240
Okay. Then the next one

1415
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,079
>> real quick. They canceled. They couldn't

1416
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,200
have had the meeting anyway because they

1417
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,559
didn't notice.

1418
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,079
>> Yes. So they cancelled my interview that

1419
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:14,559
was scheduled.

1420
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,160
>> So they canceled on you first. That's

1421
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,720
what you

1422
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,880
>> canceled on me first. That was the first

1423
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,000
one. The second one was when I actually

1424
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,559
was following up.

1425
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,559
I have emails and I just started being

1426
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,240
really transparent and instead of just

1427
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,800
communicating with Stan Quai, I included

1428
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,870
all five board members.

1429
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,119
I also included starting back in April

1430
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,200
when I gave them each my resume packet

1431
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,800
on February 17th. I gave it to Gregory

1432
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Gillette, Ivonne Moore, Mabel Strowman,

1433
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,200
and William Miller.

1434
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,160
>> On February 17th,

1435
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,359
>> Mr. Thomas wasn't there.

1436
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:56,960
>> On August,

1437
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,559
>> Mr. Thomas wasn't there.

1438
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:01,599
>> He was not there. On August 18th, this

1439
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,240
is just the disrespect. On August 18th,

1440
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,680
the packet that I gave Commissioner

1441
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Strowman, she brought it back to me and

1442
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,119
said it's still sealed. I didn't even

1443
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,760
open it.

1444
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,359
>> Did she tell you she didn't? She thought

1445
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:16,960
you submitted through the recruiter.

1446
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,720
>> She said there's a process to follow. I

1447
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,880
believe you were in that meeting. Okay.

1448
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,400
>> But we we pick and choose and want to

1449
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,839
follow processes because we just went

1450
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,599
through the bylaws. We didn't follow

1451
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,800
processes. But anyways, so no one

1452
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,240
responded. Stan already had candidates.

1453
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,800
I'm continuing to reach out. I was

1454
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,640
advised to even ask for a job

1455
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,800
description because I never had it. No

1456
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,119
one ever even shared where to locate it.

1457
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,240
I had to Google and I found a blurb that

1458
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,720
I printed out a blurb on or narrow very

1459
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,440
vague. And when I questioned him in

1460
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,760
here, he himself said he did not even

1461
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,559
have the job description and continue to

1462
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,200
reach out to the board. I have email

1463
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,640
where they said just send her that one.

1464
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,559
It'll work. old one, not the new one. My

1465
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,200
next interview date,

1466
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,760
I get contacted

1467
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,480
um let's see, on

1468
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,000
May 18th about No, I'm reaching out to

1469
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,559
them on like May 18th like, "Hey, can we get this back on the schedule?

1470
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,280
What's going on?" Stan sends an email

1471
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,520
and says, "We're looking to do uh

1472
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,400
interviews sometime later next week."

1473
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,559
But I also have it documented. I went on

1474
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,839
a family reunion in Tuskegee, Alabama.

1475
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,559
My daddy is 73 and he's the baby. So,

1476
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,800
all six of his sisters are in their 70s

1477
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,760
or 80s. We only do it every other two

1478
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,800
years. This was booked February 23rd,

1479
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,960
2026.

1480
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,480
I said, "Okay, good to know. Just FYI,

1481
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,640
I'm out next week on vacation."

1482
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,040
Ladies and gentlemen, that next week was

1483
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,480
Memorial Day weekend, Friday at 8:00

1484
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,920
p.m. Now, I received a lot of ridicule

1485
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,680
from people saying, "Oh, you should have

1486
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,440
made it happen. You should have went."

1487
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,400
Well, guess what? Once again, it did not

1488
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,880
happen. They had to cancel what they had

1489
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,480
planned because one of the

1490
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,760
commissioners, it was his birthday

1491
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,760
weekend and no one even got with him.

1492
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,040
No, that was the weekend before. It was

1493
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,319
his birthday weekend. No one even had

1494
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:19,760
confirmed with him

1495
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,800
>> from what the meeting

1496
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,800
>> that they were doing these meetings,

1497
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,720
these interviews.

1498
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,359
>> So let's just say had I said, "Okay,

1499
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,000
daddy, lose the money that you have. You

1500
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,359
have to drive down to Alabama by

1501
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:32,960
yourself." And they cancelled.

1502
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:33,839
>> Well, let's not go through

1503
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:36,640
hypotheticals. So the meeting didn't

1504
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,839
happen. Is that the bottom line?

1505
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:39,520
>> Again, correct. And that was not a

1506
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,240
Sheena Wells.

1507
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:41,440
>> You told them you were unavailable

1508
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,960
because you were out of time. They

1509
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,280
didn't have the meeting anyway.

1510
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,920
>> Okay. So why is it even a big deal in a

1511
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,720
sense? Um but I did ask for and I was

1512
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,839
very patient and I did ask if you know

1513
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:55,599
coming back from the holiday which that

1514
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,440
Monday was a holiday if I could be

1515
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,319
scheduled.

1516
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:02,240
>> Um and I continue to have to ask ask ask

1517
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,359
and I can go on and on but the the

1518
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:06,960
process

1519
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,839
>> commissioner

1520
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:10,720
council woman

1521
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,319
>> you can finish the thought and then just

1522
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:13,680
remember to come back to me once you

1523
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,079
>> fine go ahead. So, because I came a

1524
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,280
little bit late, I just want to make

1525
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,280
because the way my brain works, I just

1526
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,000
want to make sure that I'm on track. So,

1527
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,920
are are you looking to have an

1528
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,000
opportunity to interview? Are you

1529
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,920
looking to that? That's like ultimately

1530
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,359
your end goal is to at least have a fair

1531
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:32,480
opportunity to interview.

1532
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:32,720
>> Correct.

1533
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:33,599
>> At minimum. Yes.

1534
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:37,040
>> At minimum. Okay. And then is there

1535
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,119
anything else you're looking for us to

1536
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,760
do? um and decision like what decision

1537
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,640
do you want us to make tonight so I can

1538
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,799
know by the end of the meeting whether

1539
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:49,520
if I need to take a vote or kind of

1540
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,880
where to go from I mean I don't know if

1541
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,160
we need to take a vote or not but I'm

1542
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,200
just saying like

1543
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,799
>> kind of like what

1544
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:57,119
>> is the purpose of us being here because

1545
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,280
my understanding like

1546
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,240
>> we aren't the governing body right and

1547
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,799
so at least I can speak for myself I can

1548
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:06,400
make suggestions

1549
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,839
>> and I can um yeah I can make phone

1550
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:12,400
calls, I can make suggestions. Um, I

1551
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,319
from my understanding may even be able

1552
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:15,599
to remove the board. Even though in the

1553
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,839
bylaws it says in order to even remove

1554
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,599
like one member, they have to kind of

1555
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:21,839
initiate that. So that's kind of unclear

1556
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:22,000
to me.

1557
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,520
>> No, no, no. That's their bylaws. Our

1558
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,880
charter said we can remove

1559
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,680
>> you can remove them

1560
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,200
>> four members with cause.

1561
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,480
>> Got it. Okay. So we're trying to

1562
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,240
establish cause to remove them

1563
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,640
currently.

1564
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,000
>> We're not trying to establish cause.

1565
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,720
>> Well,

1566
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:33,920
>> we're listening.

1567
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,400
>> Okay.

1568
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,200
>> If we deem there is cause, then we can

1569
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,000
take action.

1570
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,680
>> Got it. Okay. So I just wanted to make

1571
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,359
it very clear so I can track. Well,

1572
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,319
okay. Oh, thank you.

1573
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,240
>> So when we say Okay, now I think I got

1574
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,319
it now. Unless we There's more meetings.

1575
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:51,839
Is there more meetings that we haven't

1576
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:52,480
talked about?

1577
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,040
>> Yes.

1578
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,480
>> Okay. [laughter]

1579
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,760
>> All right.

1580
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,559
>> What's the

1581
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,680
>> Okay. For the one that Miss Wells is

1582
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,280
speaking of.

1583
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,760
for the one that Miss Wells was speaking

1584
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,880
of as far as for Memorial's Day weekend.

1585
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,680
That particular um weekend, we had asked

1586
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,760
her because we were trying to get all

1587
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,465
the interviewers in as soon as possible.

1588
00:58:14,465 --> 00:58:14,480
[clears throat]

1589
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,319
>> So, we were trying to find out. We

1590
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,799
actually put her first and asked her if

1591
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,480
she could be available for that week.

1592
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,240
It's like she told us and I have them

1593
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,319
email. I can read it or I'll just wait

1594
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:25,599
and read it out.

1595
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,640
>> It was said that no, I could not go. are

1596
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,160
going to Alabama

1597
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:36,559
>> and that you know um I won't be able to do interview. So they asked was it

1598
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,720
possible because they wanted her to be

1599
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,400
able to interview. Was it possible for

1600
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,200
her to take 30 minutes maybe while she

1601
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,240
was down in Alabama to send the

1602
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,040
interview? Okay. At that point she did

1603
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,839
tell us no I cannot because I don't know

1604
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:53,839
what type of activities and this is in

1605
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,760
the email that my aunt was going to

1606
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,400
have. So we were like fine. At that

1607
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,720
point there was no meetings done for

1608
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,799
that week. That next week when after we

1609
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,240
came back on the 26th

1610
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,240
>> hold on real quick. Just because she

1611
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,599
said that you canceled all the

1612
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:09,440
interviews or you just decided not to

1613
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:09,760
meet them?

1614
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,119
>> They decided not to meet at all.

1615
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:12,240
>> So it had nothing to do with really what

1616
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:12,640
she said.

1617
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,160
>> No because they was like okay they

1618
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,559
wanted her to be first. That was the

1619
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,240
whole point in a nutshell. Okay.

1620
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,720
>> They wanted her to be first on the on

1621
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,720
that. So they decided, okay, it is

1622
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,359
Memorial's Day weekend and they they

1623
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:27,680
will not try to go any other interviews.

1624
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,440
That's was how that was. Okay.

1625
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,200
>> Next week, and she said she's coming

1626
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,720
back, you know, um

1627
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,640
>> for the interviewers. We did schedule

1628
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,920
the interview for May 22nd. That's the

1629
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,920
meeting that got screwed up, messed up

1630
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:42,480
because

1631
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,319
>> May 22nd. Could have been May.

1632
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,400
>> It was not May 22nd. No,

1633
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,920
>> that's that's before Memorial Day,

1634
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,880
>> right?

1635
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,720
>> May 22nd. That was the meeting that we

1636
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,960
were supposed to have, but we didn't.

1637
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,480
>> So, you know, like I said,

1638
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,480
>> so that was the first meeting.

1639
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,160
>> Then the then the Memorial Day weekend,

1640
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,720
you didn't meet.

1641
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,000
>> We didn't meet at all. Period.

1642
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,040
>> So, when was the next meeting?

1643
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,349
>> The next meeting was um

1644
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:07,359
we didn't have another meeting until the

1645
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:10,240
30th. That was the meeting on the 30th.

1646
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:11,520
>> 30th of May or June?

1647
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,710
>> May.

1648
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,000
There was no interview scheduled on the

1649
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,839
30th.

1650
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,920
>> On the 30th of June. Yes. Not on May.

1651
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,720
Not in May.

1652
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,319
>> June 30th. There there were interviews

1653
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:23,040
scheduled.

1654
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,109
>> No, May 30th.

1655
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,760
» Anybody follow May 30th? I'm sorry. It

1656
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,680
was May 30th that the interview was

1657
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,079
scheduled.

1658
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:32,880
>> They were scheduled.

1659
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,520
>> Yes. Okay.

1660
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,880
>> As well as May 29th.

1661
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,799
>> 29th and the 30th. They were scheduled

1662
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:39,599
for that day.

1663
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,400
>> Was she Was she?

1664
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,000
>> I'm sorry.

1665
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,920
I I just my mind is just

1666
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,520
>> racing and confused.

1667
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,400
>> Yeah, it is.

1668
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,480
>> Um, so the meetings for the 29th or the

1669
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,359
30th that you schedule, was she given an

1670
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:00,880
opportunity to be interviewed?

1671
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,440
>> Opportunity to be able to to come in for

1672
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,720
that meeting.

1673
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,839
>> And what happened?

1674
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,319
>> That meeting that's the meeting that we

1675
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:10,400
end up having that that Friday because

1676
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,760
of the

1677
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,240
>> notice

1678
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,640
>> the notice, right? And so then we had

1679
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,880
the meeting that Saturday which she was

1680
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,400
supposed to attend for that Saturday

1681
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:18,960
that she

1682
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,319
>> she was there that Friday then she got

1683
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:21,359
upset and didn't

1684
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:22,880
>> Yes.

1685
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Then the next meeting that we had was on

1686
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,799
we didn't have another meeting in We

1687
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:30,240
didn't have a meeting in June but there

1688
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,720
was conversation in June regarding the

1689
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,040
meeting.

1690
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,640
>> There was what conversation

1691
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,319
>> in June regarding the meeting. Yes.

1692
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,359
So was she scheduled anytime after that

1693
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:42,079
or she

1694
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:43,680
>> scheduled after that for the meetings

1695
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,910
that we were going to have

1696
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
that um July because that's when um we

1697
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,119
were going through all make sure all the

1698
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,119
candidates will be available and that's

1699
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,480
when we had the meeting

1700
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,839
>> that when she said that she was

1701
01:01:57,839 --> 01:01:59,680
available in July

1702
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,400
>> she wasn't available because that that

1703
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,799
111 a.m. on um July 10th in the morning,

1704
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:09,280
she sent us a a email telling us that

1705
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:14,160
she was withdrawing from being the ED.

1706
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,559
>> Okay.

1707
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,720
>> So, I mean, so at that point,

1708
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,079
>> what date was that?

1709
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,760
>> That was the day before 10th 11:11

1710
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,680
a.m. in the morning

1711
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,760
>> on June or July.

1712
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,720
>> I'm sorry, July. July 10th. That was the

1713
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,079
last time we were going to do it. And

1714
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:31,599
that's when Mr. that she was going to

1715
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:33,599
withdraw at that time.

1716
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:35,359
>> What's your position now?

1717
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:37,920
>> Uh I am the acting executive director

1718
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,799
and the director of human resources

1719
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:41,520
>> for

1720
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,880
>> Easter housing commission. Yes.

1721
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,559
>> And how long have you done that?

1722
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,240
>> Um how long have I what I'm sorry.

1723
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,000
>> How long have you been in that position?

1724
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,599
>> Um so I've been with Easter housing

1725
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,160
commission since November 15, 2021. So

1726
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,720
it'll be five years this November. And

1727
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,359
recently I've been in the dual role of

1728
01:02:57,359 --> 01:02:59,839
acting executive director, director of

1729
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,799
human resources since September 17th.

1730
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,400
Well, we dated it back, but September

1731
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,520
28th, 2025.

1732
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,839
So, next month will be a year.

1733
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:10,480
>> There's a question.

1734
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,680
>> Question. Yes. Uh do you

1735
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,520
so when you have employees like that, do

1736
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,599
you do evaluations

1737
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:19,200
for

1738
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,039
to see if they're competent or they're

1739
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,119
not or if they're doing a good job, pay

1740
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:27,599
raise or do you guys do evaluations

1741
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:28,480
like for

1742
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,039
>> we did not do an evaluation when they

1743
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,680
put her in as acting um executive

1744
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,119
director. Um at the time our other um

1745
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,839
executive director had resigned. Um they

1746
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,760
didn't want to leave the keep open too

1747
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,760
long because we were actually going

1748
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,319
through a red development. They wanted

1749
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,920
to make sure that we still had someone

1750
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,480
in place. So they put appointed Miss

1751
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,520
Wells as acting executive director at

1752
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,319
that time.

1753
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,160
>> Can I ask for the they are please?

1754
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,280
>> I was about to say that. You mean the

1755
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:58,160
boards

1756
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:58,799
>> commission

1757
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,039
>> commissioners? So at that time that's

1758
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,640
when they um they

1759
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,280
>> oh I'm sorry

1760
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,599
>> they um appointed her appointed her as

1761
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:08,880
acting executive director

1762
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,799
>> and she was satisfactory.

1763
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:12,559
>> Well yes I mean she gave us her

1764
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,880
paperwork to let us know since the the

1765
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,880
other one had resigned. So I mean that

1766
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,680
same night. So I mean that was something

1767
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:20,880
that was asked of

1768
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,190
>> I want to say I object so bad.

1769
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:25,760
» Okay.

1770
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,359
You good?

1771
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:30,160
>> Yeah. Now, I received a text message at

1772
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,079
1000 p.m. from the chairman of the board

1773
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,559
after the situation with the former ED.

1774
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,880
I won't get into details about that. And

1775
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,640
I was volunte, you are in charge. That

1776
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,880
is how it went down. I have the text

1777
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,359
message. Again, the board did not

1778
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:49,119
receive my packet until February 17th

1779
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,440
and then Commissioner Thomas received it

1780
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,160
on March 6th before he went to a

1781
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,359
conference. So it was not in September.

1782
01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:58,880
>> I think two different things.

1783
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:59,520
>> Two different things.

1784
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,599
>> She's saying as soon as the other the

1785
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,599
last ED left,

1786
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,280
>> they received something from you

1787
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,359
requesting to be to act. Is that what

1788
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:07,760
you're saying?

1789
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,039
>> Said my packet.

1790
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,640
>> That is your that was your package. I'm

1791
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,000
not going to sit here and say

1792
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,440
>> when did I give it to you?

1793
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,000
>> Was but it was just you know it was you

1794
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,400
it was submitted. You submitted.

1795
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,440
>> I'll put it back.

1796
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,160
>> The appointment was a request made other

1797
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,240
executive director design that same

1798
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,960
night. that she left that we were

1799
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,160
presented with a a paper that was asking

1800
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,200
us exactly what they wanted and what was

1801
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,599
all the details in that package.

1802
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,039
>> Who is that?

1803
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,319
>> Miss

1804
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:39,839
>> I'm confused.

1805
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,039
>> I thought you appointed her.

1806
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,400
>> The night that the night that the

1807
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,880
executive director resigned and she left

1808
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,760
out of the building that same night,

1809
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,400
Miss Wells was appointed as the acting

1810
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,400
executive director. She gave us the

1811
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,839
package as far as what she wanted.

1812
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,760
>> Hold on, hold on, hold on.

1813
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,520
>> Was that a night of a meeting?

1814
01:05:59,520 --> 01:05:59,920
>> Yes,

1815
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,240
>> it was. We were in close session

1816
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,880
afterwards. We were in close session. We

1817
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,240
were not in a meeting. We were in

1818
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,440
>> Well, that's that's a meeting. That's a

1819
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:07,680
meeting.

1820
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,799
>> That's a meeting. And it was a

1821
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:09,599
resolution.

1822
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:11,599
>> When I say we weren't in our regular

1823
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,680
meeting, we were in close session. And

1824
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,799
that came our attorney was there. He was

1825
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:19,200
on the phone and that was um taken. A

1826
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,640
vote was taken.

1827
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,319
>> Took a vote to appoint her act.

1828
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:23,839
>> You all appointed her. That's all I need

1829
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:24,880
to know. Okay,

1830
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,680
>> that's fine.

1831
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:26,480
>> They or they.

1832
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,119
>> Okay, that's fine.

1833
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,359
>> Who recommended her?

1834
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:30,079
>> How was she re?

1835
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,440
>> I heard it was unanimous.

1836
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,640
>> That's what I heard from Chairman

1837
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Gillette.

1838
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,799
>> Well, no hearsay.

1839
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:38,799
>> I'm just asking I just wanted to know

1840
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:40,079
>> recommend her

1841
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,640
>> who who recommended her to take that

1842
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,760
position.

1843
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,240
>> Majority of the commission felt that she

1844
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,640
was the right person to lead the agency

1845
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,119
at that time. So you guys got together

1846
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,920
and said, "Oh, Kim would be good." And

1847
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,760
then you voted on it in a close session

1848
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,160
meeting. That's what I'm saying.

1849
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,680
>> Majority of the commission made the

1850
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,039
decision in close session. She was the

1851
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,480
best fit to lead the lead the agency at

1852
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,119
that time. I came back in town, I think

1853
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:11,520
somebody else, and we all supported them

1854
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,599
because she was our HR director. She

1855
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,599
knew the she knew the agency better than

1856
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:17,119
probably most people in there. So she

1857
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,079
was re recommended by the board,

1858
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:20,720
>> right?

1859
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,280
>> She was appointed appointed, but but she

1860
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,640
you had to have a recommendation before

1861
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,960
you even appoint them. So they had to

1862
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,880
know that she was competent.

1863
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,240
>> Well, no, they

1864
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,160
>> and competent to do the job. That's what

1865
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,480
I'm trying to say.

1866
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,559
>> So why can't you all just give her an

1867
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,400
opportunity to at least interview?

1868
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,391
>> We did.

1869
01:07:40,391 --> 01:07:42,950
[applause]

1870
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,559
» We did until that day on the 10th. She

1871
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,680
withdrew. She withdrew on the 10th. That

1872
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,760
same day she was supposed to interview

1873
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,960
at at 6 o'lock in the evening. I spoke

1874
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,720
to Miss Wells at Monday. Uh Stan Quay

1875
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,720
spoke to him. She said she was going to

1876
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,240
be at the meet. She was going to be at

1877
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,440
the interview and at 11 a.m. in the

1878
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,319
morning of July 10th, she withdrew her

1879
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:08,960
name.

1880
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,520
>> July 14th, she rescended that

1881
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,160
withdrawal.

1882
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,559
>> Hold on a second. Hold on. Just so the

1883
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,440
record's clear. In between there before

1884
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,000
the second inter I'm sorry the only

1885
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,159
interview before the interview was

1886
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,600
scheduled in July I spoke to the chair

1887
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,839
at that point they were moving forward

1888
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:30,080
with the second round of interviews.

1889
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,520
Miss Wales was not part of that. I said

1890
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,960
I understand she didn't interview the

1891
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,159
first time. There was some confusion

1892
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,159
over who canceled what. I didn't know

1893
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:39,920
but I'm having a conversation with him.

1894
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,159
I said, "Given the fact she's worked for

1895
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:44,080
you for almost a year and done a good

1896
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,239
job and is a current employee, why don't

1897
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,080
you give her the courtesy of just

1898
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,839
forwarding her to the second round? I

1899
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,640
requested that was not a demand." Mr.

1900
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,159
Wales said, "I'll talk to the

1901
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,719
commissioners." He did not say, "Okay."

1902
01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:58,400
Next thing I knew, she was getting

1903
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,679
interviewed.

1904
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:01,839
>> Okay. I was like, "Well, cool. I'm happy

1905
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:03,920
because she's already there. You guys

1906
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,679
are going to take a look. I'm good.

1907
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:09,040
I'm not going to talk about my personal

1908
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,040
conversations with certain folks, but I

1909
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,640
know she had an interview scheduled.

1910
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,159
Obviously, she had some second thoughts

1911
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,239
about it. I know there's a resident

1912
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,960
appreciation day on a Saturday. I heard

1913
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,480
some conversation about, okay, I got to

1914
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,120
get ready for this event, so I'm not

1915
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,920
available the night before to interview.

1916
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,600
Okay. This sound normal.

1917
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,480
Okay. And then Saturday came and the

1918
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,239
appreciation day happened. You guys

1919
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,000
interviewed the other people. She didn't

1920
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,239
get interviewed on Friday because she

1921
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:39,679
withdrew.

1922
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:40,400
>> She withdrew.

1923
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,400
>> That's is that basically what everybody

1924
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:42,719
Okay.

1925
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:44,719
>> Yes. She withdrew from

1926
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:46,319
>> and then the next week I received an

1927
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,080
email saying she would like to be cons

1928
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,400
still considered for the position. Then

1929
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,640
I I received a response from the chair

1930
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,520
saying you're no longer in consideration

1931
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,760
and we're moving forward. So are we all

1932
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,880
on the same page?

1933
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,199
>> Yes.

1934
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,719
>> Okay. So that's where we at. Okay.

1935
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,320
>> Young lady, the young lady in the gray

1936
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,080
has been wanting to interject to provide

1937
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,000
clarity. One more question.

1938
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,360
>> She wants to ask Miss Wells one more

1939
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:07,920
question.

1940
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,920
>> Just just one cuz I'm nosy.

1941
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,640
>> Why did you withdraw?

1942
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,120
>> Several reasons at the time. And

1943
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,719
actually I wrote my speech about it so

1944
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:21,679
that I don't forget anything. But I've

1945
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,640
only shared just

1946
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,880
a fog of what occurred during this

1947
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,199
process. I also was bullied into sending

1948
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:33,120
my resume by 5:00 p. him on a day that I

1949
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,960
was not even aware there was an unknown

1950
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,440
deadline. So, there was so many things

1951
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,719
leading up to that decision. Resident

1952
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,960
appreciation day is the one day a year

1953
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,480
that since we say we're here for our

1954
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,880
residents, we service our residents that

1955
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,440
we all should be there. And I spoke to

1956
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:50,640
the chairman because it was something

1957
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,040
else going on with some somebody else.

1958
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,120
And he said no, he had other

1959
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,960
obligations. I spoke to Commissioner

1960
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,600
Moore. I said, "Why would you guys pick

1961
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,960
that date? can it be after since you do

1962
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,239
interviews at 8:00 PM or another day?

1963
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,000
And she said, "Oh, I'll talk to him, but

1964
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,440
he's in California. I'll call him

1965
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,640
later." So, it was no buy in from any

1966
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,480
other commissioners but Commissioner

1967
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,400
Miller and Commissioner Thomas who said,

1968
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,760
"We will still make sure that we're

1969
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,040
there." Then, in addition to that, there

1970
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:21,920
was

1971
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,080
>> So, let me let me cut through it.

1972
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:24,719
>> Yes.

1973
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:27,440
>> I can [clears throat] sleep.

1974
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,520
I'm

1975
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,480
>> at that age. I'm just

1976
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:36,320
>> trying to go with you here. So, you

1977
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,840
resigned basically because you were

1978
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,880
upset.

1979
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,159
>> No, that that's the thing. I've been

1980
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:41,600
hearing that narrative of being in my

1981
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,960
feelings. No, it was just with all that

1982
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,440
we have been doing, all the good, all

1983
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,560
the progress that has been coming and to

1984
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,400
still be ridiculed. If you sit in our

1985
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,640
board meetings, they've never treated

1986
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,719
any ED this way. I don't know if it's

1987
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:00,000
retaliation. So, no. Let me let me

1988
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,280
>> It's politics. So,

1989
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,120
>> they ain't gonna like you. But let me

1990
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,880
tell you, I I just I just I don't want

1991
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,159
them to like my name,

1992
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:08,400
>> Councilwoman. Uh for for me, just for

1993
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:09,600
me. Okay.

1994
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:10,960
>> So,

1995
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,520
>> evidently you were competent and you

1996
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,280
made a good candidate and you did a lot

1997
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,440
of things and then later through some

1998
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:19,840
process because I'm just saying this

1999
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,480
like it was me. They got on my nerves so

2000
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,560
I don't want it. So then you thought

2001
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,560
about it. Is that is that when you

2002
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,000
reconsidered and said, "Well, I I I I do

2003
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,840
want to be that." Is that

2004
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,520
>> what it was? Was the people that I'm

2005
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,440
doing it for was the reason that I

2006
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,199
humbly came back around and it takes a

2007
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:37,920
big person for

2008
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,920
>> for the people.

2009
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,360
>> I can relate to that.

2010
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,040
>> I let a lot of people down that believe

2011
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,920
in me that are a part of feeling

2012
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,000
inspired. So for the betterment.

2013
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,840
>> I got you. I feel good. Thank you.

2014
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,840
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

2015
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,800
Okay, that's fair.

2016
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,400
>> She the young lady in the she's had her

2017
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:04,630
hand raised for a while. Feel bad.

2018
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,239
» State your name, Sula.

2019
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:07,440
>> Shana Clark.

2020
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:07,760
>> Okay.

2021
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:08,960
>> Oh, Lord. Okay.

2022
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,000
>> Oh, I know you.

2023
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,360
>> Yes, I know you too.

2024
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,280
>> Um, this is one of my first meetings um

2025
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,520
I have ever uh came to. I am a Inkster

2026
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,480
native. I was born and raised here. Love

2027
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,800
Ingster. As some of you guys may know, I

2028
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,520
do a lot of community stuff in Ingster

2029
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,520
and outside of Inkingster. My son has a

2030
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,199
lemonade stand. We sell lemonade. We

2031
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:36,239
also give away gently used uh gym shoes

2032
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:39,440
to the public.

2033
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,480
I have known Miss Wells for a very long

2034
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:45,040
time. I'm also a a very successful

2035
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,040
businesswoman and also philanthropist.

2036
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,040
So, I understand business. I understand

2037
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,520
politics. I understand emotions and I

2038
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,480
understand um what's really going on

2039
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:59,440
here. I spoke at the all staff meeting

2040
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,760
this Friday. I was asked to speak as one

2041
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,080
of the keynote speakers. It was an

2042
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,120
absolutely amazing meeting. I want to

2043
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,520
give Miss Wells, outside of me knowing

2044
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,000
her personally on a business standpoint

2045
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,760
as a businesswoman, she's doing amazing.

2046
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,440
She is doing absolutely amazing. And I'm

2047
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,400
not sure where the disconnect is coming

2048
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,199
in, but for me being from Inkster to see

2049
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,679
somebody that is doing so many good

2050
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,920
things, I'm not sure why it's such a big

2051
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,560
problem on giving her a chance. I can

2052
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,040
relate to being pushed out of places or

2053
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,199
people kind of just picking on you. And

2054
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:38,880
we're going to act human here. You know

2055
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,120
how that feels when you're doing so many

2056
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:42,960
good things, when you're trying and you

2057
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,520
do have this person, that person, people

2058
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,120
that are older than you, people that are

2059
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,480
younger than you, so many people coming

2060
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:50,239
at you. It does get discouraging. It

2061
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:54,960
gets very discouraging. I just want to

2062
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960
I want to put in my hand clap for her.

2063
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,719
For one, I I never even seen the

2064
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,960
projects get redone, excuse me, Inkster

2065
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,000
housing get redone. I I just now saw it.

2066
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,679
I saw it all over Facebook and I'm like,

2067
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:07,280
who doing this? And when me and her

2068
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,480
actually talk, I've been doing her hair

2069
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,120
for a long time. I didn't even know all

2070
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,360
what she was doing. She doesn't come in

2071
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,520
and brag on it or anything like that. I

2072
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,560
really just found out about her role.

2073
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,280
>> So to be from Inkingster and to see what

2074
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,560
she's doing, she's not even from

2075
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,679
Inkingster. So for somebody to come in

2076
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:27,920
to care that meeting, she's very

2077
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,560
professional. She keeps people in line.

2078
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,960
She keeps people focused. She brings in

2079
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,280
the right people. You need people like

2080
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,159
that. You need people like that. You

2081
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,000
need people like that. And I I really

2082
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,120
hope that um I know it's like a whole

2083
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,120
process, whatever you guys got to go

2084
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,640
through, but from what I understood in

2085
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,760
corporate America, although I'm an

2086
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,719
entrepreneur. I've been in corporate

2087
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:52,000
America for a long time. I have my

2088
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,480
degree and everything.

2089
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,800
Usually they hire internally. Usually

2090
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,480
that's that's that's how it goes. Or

2091
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,480
they are they're the first person to

2092
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:02,400
consider. That's why she was That's why

2093
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,560
she That's why they put her in a seat

2094
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,320
cuz she was qualified to do so. So I I

2095
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,400
really hope that you guys can come

2096
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,560
together and consider somebody so great.

2097
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,320
And this is not me talking on a person

2098
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,120
living cuz I I'm a businesswoman. So I'm

2099
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,719
You wrong, you wrong. You're terrible.

2100
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:19,840
You're great. You're

2101
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,840
great. I I don't I don't have I

2102
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,520
understand feelings and I know how to

2103
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:24,960
put them to the back when it comes to

2104
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,719
business. But when you get somebody

2105
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:29,280
great, you get somebody that can really

2106
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,480
manage people, keep people in line, and

2107
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,080
really get the job done, you really need

2108
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,159
to appreciate those type of people, you

2109
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:37,840
know, and someone that actually cares

2110
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,120
about the community. So, I I really do

2111
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,159
um I hope that this goes well for the

2112
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,400
city of Instster as a whole. Um I hope

2113
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,239
you guys see her value and everybody

2114
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,320
anybody else that's contributing on a on

2115
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,960
a great level, but she definitely does

2116
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,560
deserve it. the city of Inkingster

2117
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,560
deserves someone like that. And again,

2118
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,320
that's outside of me knowing her. I am

2119
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,080
not being like that because I I wouldn't

2120
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,159
have came today cuz I'm that 100. I

2121
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,000
wouldn't have came. I'm I don't I don't

2122
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,679
got to I don't got to do that. I don't

2123
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,800
have to I'm not going to lie to put, you

2124
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,400
know, anybody to make them look good.

2125
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,159
I'm I'm not I'm not like that. Anybody

2126
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,600
can say that about me. Um but she is a

2127
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,520
woman that deserves a chance. She is a

2128
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,320
woman that deserves respect. Um I have

2129
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,800
witnessed disrespect. you know, I' I've witnessed things go on with her

2130
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:31,360
before and coming from, you know, why are they disrespecting her? Why are

2131
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,719
they giving her a hard time? I think

2132
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,880
that that needs to be considered and you

2133
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,520
guys really need to look in inside the

2134
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,120
staff and and the board and things like

2135
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,880
that cuz it's a lot of disrespect going

2136
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,280
on. It's a lot of things that's going on

2137
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,159
that try to make it hard for a beautiful

2138
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:46,960
smart

2139
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,159
>> I already piece of

2140
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,159
>> black woman that that is doing amazing

2141
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:51,840
things in the city. That's all I wanted

2142
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:52,960
to say. Yes.

2143
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,480
>> I'm sorry. I thought we were

2144
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,640
>> I'm sorry. I thought it was for um to

2145
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,880
offer clarity to a specific conversation

2146
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,960
that we were having that we were going

2147
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,640
to use that for a public comment.

2148
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,000
>> Oh, I didn't know. I told you this my

2149
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,040
first one. Y'all could have stopped.

2150
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,480
>> You're okay. You're okay. I just didn't

2151
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,520
want to I just wanted to

2152
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,880
>> Well, no, it was probably a comment that was probably needed, but I This is

2153
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:11,679
my first one.

2154
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:13,920
>> Okay. If you have more, feel free to

2155
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,520
fill out um one of the public comments.

2156
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,040
>> No, that's all I got to say. Just Just

2157
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,400
hopefully y'all give her the respect

2158
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,600
that she deserves.

2159
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,840
>> Thank you. I do I do want to say

2160
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,679
>> thank you two things. Um if you guys

2161
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:26,560
have something to say fill out the

2162
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,600
public comment sheet please. Two um I

2163
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,880
don't know um

2164
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:31,600
>> right over here.

2165
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,430
>> I don't who

2166
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:36,320
» Yes.

2167
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,080
>> Um I'm not like well versed in HR or if

2168
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,679
it's a legal issue. I don't know. But

2169
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:47,520
once you resend um in that way can you I

2170
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,560
guess go back on it like I I think

2171
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,159
that's kind of like what's the So I'm

2172
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,600
like give her the give her a chance to

2173
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,120
interview and they're saying well she

2174
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,120
withdrew so if there's a possibility for

2175
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,679
her to not withdraw then I

2176
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:01,679
>> it was never accepted or acknowledged.

2177
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:02,560
>> Got it. Okay.

2178
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,400
>> Well

2179
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,080
n sort of I mean I've had experience

2180
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,920
from an attorney standpoint with

2181
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:11,760
resignations

2182
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,239
>> being rescended.

2183
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,400
>> I don't know about participating in an

2184
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,400
interview process. has to be

2185
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,960
reconsidered to be interviewed. You

2186
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:21,760
can't ask for that.

2187
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,199
>> I'm not You can ask for a million

2188
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,640
dollars. I mean,

2189
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,360
>> now, but that doesn't entitle you to be

2190
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:28,719
back in the process.

2191
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:31,280
>> So, so what I'm saying is that let me

2192
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,960
sum it up from what my conversations

2193
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,120
with some of the commissioners, not all

2194
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,159
of the commissioners.

2195
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:40,800
>> They there were commissioners who wanted

2196
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,199
you to be interviewed. They wanted to

2197
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,760
hear you at the interview.

2198
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,640
when you decided to not interview, they

2199
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,719
closed the book on it. They they said,

2200
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,719
"Okay, if she does not want the job,

2201
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:57,199
that's that's where they ended it." When

2202
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:00,080
you asked four or five days later, and I

2203
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,600
found out at the same moment that you

2204
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,760
wanted to be considered,

2205
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,320
the response was, "It's too late." That

2206
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,000
that's what it was. It wasn't my

2207
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,760
response because it's not for me to say,

2208
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,560
but that's what they did. So, that's how

2209
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,040
we're here now. I think you did a great

2210
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,239
job as uh acting director. I'm not there

2211
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,440
on a day-to-day b basis, but I see the

2212
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,440
progress that Ingster housing's made,

2213
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:26,080
but I'm just the mayor. The housing

2214
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,480
commissioner's job is to hire and fire

2215
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,800
the executive director. I haven't

2216
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,520
bullied one of them. I haven't tried to

2217
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,000
force their hand, but I I know all of

2218
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,560
them, and I talked to some most of them,

2219
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,600
probably all of them. Um, but it's their

2220
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,600
decision at the end of the day.

2221
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,400
Um, as far as people disrespecting folks

2222
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,159
and not acting professional, obviously

2223
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:51,280
I'm not there. Um, it happens every day

2224
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,960
in life. We know that. Um, people check

2225
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,480
me when I'm out of order, and I

2226
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:57,920
appreciate that.

2227
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,840
>> Um,

2228
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,480
>> but as the city council, we can't really

2229
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,280
do, we're not here to decide who's

2230
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,040
disrespectful.

2231
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,880
>> We're here because we want I respect you

2232
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,360
and we wanted to listen. And Chisum

2233
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,199
asked for the meeting. essentially. So

2234
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:17,360
the board has not made a a final

2235
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,760
decision yet. I think they decided you

2236
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:20,960
are no longer going to be in the

2237
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,880
process.

2238
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,880
That's on them. If they want to do

2239
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,120
anything with that, that's on them at

2240
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,480
their next meeting. Um all we do is

2241
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,800
appoint and remove. And the only way we

2242
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,400
remove we thought the board was doing

2243
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,480
something inappropriate.

2244
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:38,960
Okay. Or doing something to hurt Instant

2245
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,760
Commission. Um, so that's what our role

2246
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,159
is as city council. Um,

2247
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:48,800
so I'm glad we had this meeting. I don't

2248
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,080
know if it makes anything better. We're

2249
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,000
gonna definitely Did you fill out a form

2250
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:52,719
already?

2251
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:54,000
>> I want to hear you. Go ahead and fill

2252
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,320
out the form. We want to hear from

2253
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,239
everybody because it does matter. Look,

2254
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,080
y'all know where my support was when we

2255
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,199
started this process, but I can't I'm

2256
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:06,159
not trying to step on the commission in

2257
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,400
the process, right? I was public with

2258
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,320
mine. I was the first one to come out,

2259
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:11,760
right? I didn't know she wanted the

2260
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,120
position. I didn't I didn't think I

2261
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,480
didn't even ask her.

2262
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,080
>> I just said I support her cuz I see the

2263
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,040
progress. Um I maybe I'm probably

2264
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,719
responsible for all this mess cuz it

2265
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,480
seemed like there was there's a reaction

2266
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,719
to that that was not positive. Um

2267
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:28,960
but we're going to move down to the

2268
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,600
status of Inster Housing. I almost

2269
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:32,560
didn't even want to talk about it at

2270
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,040
this point, you know.

2271
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,159
But I'mma leave that up to the

2272
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:39,040
commissioners if you want to tell us

2273
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,320
where Instster housing's at. Um I'm

2274
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,440
familiar with some of the things that

2275
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:44,639
have happened, but maybe everybody

2276
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,320
doesn't know about the situation with

2277
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,239
HUD, us improving our situation, the two

2278
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,560
major redevel development projects we

2279
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,560
got going on. We have a lot going on in

2280
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,120
the city of Vincent. Um so maybe

2281
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,760
somebody want to briefly kind of just

2282
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,199
let let the public know what's going on.

2283
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:04,480
You don't have to. It was up to you

2284
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:16,470
guys.

2285
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,310
» Well, basically,

2286
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,480
as you know, as Miss Wes did say, I'm

2287
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,000
resident commissioner, but I'm not a

2288
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,280
resident commissioner. I'm just a

2289
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,040
commissioner that happens to be a

2290
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,199
resident. And that is something that's

2291
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,080
been told since we went to all the

2292
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,270
conferences and

2293
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,520
Yes, we've been progressing with the

2294
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,120
redevelopment, but there's still some

2295
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,239
hitches in the redevelopment for res.

2296
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:45,840
There's a lot of things that's happening

2297
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,480
with the developers. There's a lot of

2298
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:50,159
things happening with their crew that's

2299
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:54,880
on site. Um, a lot of things that hasn't

2300
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,600
been really talked about that they need

2301
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,480
to talk about and talk with the new

2302
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,800
management company.

2303
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,600
asked before I asked them to before the

2304
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:06,880
meeting. They didn't want to have a

2305
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,960
meeting of management company, you know,

2306
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,960
but the residents really do need to

2307
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,120
speak to the management company that

2308
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,840
they're coming in. Um I know Miss Wells

2309
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,880
did um talk to residents at that time.

2310
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,000
They did have a meeting. She was texting

2311
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,639
um asking information. But we need to

2312
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:27,040
see these people that's giving us all

2313
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,840
these we can't block the streets. Can't

2314
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,719
get through. God can't get through.

2315
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:34,800
up there two or three, you know, two or

2316
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,320
three days.

2317
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,960
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

2318
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,040
>> Just just for me and and since we in

2319
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,480
this forum,

2320
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:45,600
>> let's start with if we can start

2321
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,080
instead of the the tough the the

2322
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,280
minutiae that we're dealing with while

2323
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,000
we moving forward. Let's just give the

2324
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,440
bunch of people here, people that's

2325
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,639
watching don't know what we've been

2326
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:56,800
doing. We did that a lot.

2327
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,560
>> Saying that part, but I still want them

2328
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,400
there is still some things that need to

2329
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,719
be be addressed. I mean, it's a good thing. I'm not saying it's

2330
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:06,320
not a good thing. I've been watching.

2331
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,000
I've been looking at the units. I've

2332
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,440
asked to go through them and walk

2333
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:10,880
through them, the new the ones that's

2334
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,719
finished and the ones that they are

2335
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:15,120
doing. I mean, I'm proud of what what's

2336
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,360
going on, you know, but I still I mean,

2337
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,679
and I'm I know the city's proud, too,

2338
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:22,239
but I'm still not going to just not pay

2339
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,560
attention to all the other things that's

2340
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,840
going on, too. You know,

2341
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,120
>> I walked on there was some problems

2342
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:27,840
going on over there.

2343
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:28,239
>> Yes.

2344
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,480
>> But I I stay in my lane. So, I went to

2345
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:32,719
the acting director and expressed myself

2346
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:34,800
and I'm sure she communicated with the

2347
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,080
with whoever.

2348
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,199
>> Yes. With the particular,

2349
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:38,800
>> you know, but I didn't want to, you

2350
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,320
know, I I'm not going to call them

2351
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,760
directly. That's not my that's not my

2352
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,920
lane. But some of the stuff they were

2353
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,120
doing was different from what they

2354
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,320
promised

2355
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,679
>> in in the initial meeting because I went

2356
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:49,040
to initial meeting. I was disappointed

2357
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,880
we weren't getting brand new housing,

2358
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,560
but I understand that's the way the deal

2359
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,880
worked out. I'm really disappointed that

2360
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,719
they have so much power over this thing.

2361
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:58,239
They have their own management company.

2362
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:00,239
They're making decisions. They're firing

2363
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:01,760
vendors,

2364
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,679
but again, that's not my deal. You know

2365
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:06,159
what I mean? Um because it's going to be

2366
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:07,600
a problem. And right now, the moment

2367
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,239
that we make a mistake, it's going to be

2368
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:12,159
a problem. Eastern housing is going to

2369
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:15,600
look a lot different. Um that's just I

2370
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,880
can already see it coming, you know, but

2371
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,000
um you know, like I said, you know,

2372
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,600
there's stuff that has to be managed.

2373
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,800
This is my logic was since we're already

2374
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,840
there and the and the acting director is

2375
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,280
managed it now. I'm not saying she's

2376
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,280
perfect. I'm saying she's manager. Why

2377
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,199
would we want to bring somebody new and

2378
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:36,880
hope that they can handle

2379
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,239
>> that? That was my decision.

2380
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:42,149
>> Right. Right. Right. [applause]

2381
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:44,320
» Sometimes, you know, I I knew her. The

2382
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,080
other person could be excellent. She

2383
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,000
could be 10 times whatever. I don't

2384
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,840
know. I didn't sit on the interview. I

2385
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,360
didn't look at her resume. I'm just

2386
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,320
saying I know what what she's doing now.

2387
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,400
That's how I was looking at. But that's

2388
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,320
just my little two cents. Um, you know,

2389
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,000
I think housing is going in the right

2390
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,880
direction. Um, and and I one of the I

2391
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,199
think the chair, somebody said to me,

2392
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:08,880
>> one of the commissioners said it's a

2393
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,320
group effort and I believe that

2394
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,480
wholeheartedly. It's not one person, not

2395
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:16,000
just Miss Wales. It's a group effort.

2396
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,320
And I know that because I know how the

2397
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,880
city runs. It's not about me. If my

2398
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,199
staff is lousy, I'm lousy.

2399
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:27,120
>> If my staff is great, I'm great.

2400
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,159
That's the way it is. Um, so, mayor, if

2401
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,400
I could, I just wanted to address that

2402
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,480
the process right now that we're going

2403
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:36,639
through with be it the third party

2404
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:38,400
management company, the actual

2405
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,960
developer, those were voted on by the

2406
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,080
sitting board and the former ED. So the

2407
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,320
team now we inherited it

2408
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,440
>> and we are kicking up rocks and dust

2409
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:51,280
challenging and giving them push back to

2410
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,600
hold them accountable. Not everybody's

2411
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,360
going to be able to do that.

2412
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,920
>> They tried to even change the appliances

2413
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,080
from what's been advertised as stainless

2414
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,199
steel to black and tried to tell me they

2415
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:04,320
already ordered.

2416
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,120
>> Well, guess what?

2417
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:05,920
>> Cheaper.

2418
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,000
>> As Miss Clark said, I pushed back. We'll

2419
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,679
cancel that order. They deserve

2420
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,120
stainless steel. That's what's on the

2421
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,040
resume. I mean on the website. That's

2422
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,600
the pamphlets. That's what we need. So,

2423
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Commissioner Moore, you were a part of

2424
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,120
it from the beginning. So, now we have

2425
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,360
to work together and get around. As

2426
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,880
Commissioner Miller said, we can't stay

2427
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,719
in the complaints. Now, what are we

2428
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:26,480
going to do? We're here now.

2429
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,040
>> It was voted. We're here. We have to

2430
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,880
learn and work together. We can't work

2431
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,360
against each other. And I include you

2432
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,600
all in those correspondences. And again,

2433
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,199
I don't expect you to respond, but don't

2434
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,120
act surprised when it doesn't work.

2435
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,960
Because I include us in there because we

2436
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,120
are one voice. We are. And I'm fighting.

2437
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,840
And to answer your question again, it's

2438
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,600
hard to fight the people that's in

2439
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,760
California, not Gillette, but the

2440
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,679
developer that's from California and

2441
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:00,800
Montana and the others that they have

2442
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,199
coming here and fight with the board

2443
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,840
that's my key stakeholders. It's very

2444
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,960
difficult. So, all of those go into it.

2445
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,440
We say one thing, and I am talking to

2446
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:12,719
you right now, and I'm not being

2447
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:14,560
disrespectful, and I mean it because

2448
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,080
you're really the only one that's

2449
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,719
sharing much over here. You asked, "Was

2450
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,760
I in my feelings?" I think you might be

2451
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,080
because it's nothing that you can say as

2452
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,760
a reason that makes sense for where you

2453
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,840
live that you don't want a person that

2454
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,320
will fight that will make things happen.

2455
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,080
The whole team has on not trouble

2456
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,920
shirts. They couldn't give you an answer

2457
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,840
when you just ask what's going on at

2458
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,440
Inster Housing. They can answer that.

2459
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:44,000
We're not troubled. Our five scores

2460
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,400
increased

2461
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,159
dramatically.

2462
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:52,880
We had the first ever 96% 97%

2463
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:58,000
in Hood's Inspire Health and Safety, a A

2464
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,199
from a D of the last ED that you guys

2465
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:02,800
hired.

2466
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,440
Why wouldn't I get a chance? It's

2467
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:08,400
proven. The communication

2468
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,760
has improved. The collaboration

2469
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,800
has improved. The energy people want to

2470
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,719
come to work. They beat me to work.

2471
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:20,560
>> So, it's it's not making sense. And to

2472
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,639
take a gamble to take a gamble.

2473
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:26,480
>> I've said it before. You keep doing the

2474
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,719
same thing, you'll get the same results.

2475
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:30,800
But you know what? You what you just

2476
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:31,760
said

2477
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,600
>> was exactly what I wanted you to say at

2478
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,560
the interview.

2479
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:35,199
>> Exactly.

2480
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,760
>> Because you have a case to be made to

2481
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:38,960
have the job.

2482
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,800
>> Exactly.

2483
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,800
>> The only thing I'm mad about is the

2484
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,000
interview didn't happen.

2485
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,920
>> And I'm not blaming. I'm just saying the

2486
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,760
interview didn't happen where you could

2487
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:48,880
make your

2488
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,560
>> They listening to you right now. I

2489
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,880
>> So respectfully, mayor, I'll say this.

2490
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,440
Me doing that, I am a god-fearing woman

2491
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,280
and everything happens for a reason. And

2492
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,960
I sincerely I'm not one that just prays

2493
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,760
silently. I talk out loud. Okay? My aunt

2494
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,120
is in the audience. She would tell you

2495
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,120
my mother spoke to you all already,

2496
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,520
right? And let you know. So I asked him

2497
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,679
to guide my decisions. Be it if I

2498
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:11,760
understand them or not.

2499
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,159
>> I even spoke to you before I made the

2500
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:14,960
decision.

2501
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,760
>> That was a part of my decision.

2502
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,239
>> Okay. Let's just be transparent.

2503
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:21,280
>> Okay.

2504
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,000
>> And what that I said make your case.

2505
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,639
>> Sure did. Look, if you in the spot and

2506
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:27,840
you have a resume,

2507
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:28,960
>> you were upset.

2508
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:29,199
>> Yeah,

2509
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:29,920
>> I was mad.

2510
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:30,639
>> Yeah, I know.

2511
01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:31,679
>> You don't quit.

2512
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:32,320
>> I didn't.

2513
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,639
>> You make your case and make them make

2514
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:36,080
that tough decision.

2515
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:37,520
>> They're going to have to tell me I'm not

2516
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,199
the best candidate. If I know I've been

2517
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:40,639
doing it for a year,

2518
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:42,320
>> they got to tell me that

2519
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,639
>> you don't bow out. It makes it too easy.

2520
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,639
Because if this is personal in nature,

2521
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,080
if some people don't like you for

2522
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,560
whatever reason, whatever. Look, trust

2523
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,629
me, I know all about that. [laughter]

2524
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:57,120
You make it hard on them by doing your

2525
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,320
job and then making sure everybody knows

2526
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:01,840
what you're doing. If they want to

2527
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,920
select somebody they don't know over you

2528
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,600
with your resume or what you done in the

2529
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,040
last year, then make them make that

2530
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:07,840
decision.

2531
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:08,400
>> Yeah.

2532
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,239
>> But you do not bow out.

2533
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,639
>> So bow. So where I was going to say with

2534
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,639
things happen for a reason

2535
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:17,120
>> that out of control of what we actually

2536
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:18,719
do here in the physical

2537
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:21,520
>> in that moment is when I realized how

2538
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,239
much this team relies on me how much

2539
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:27,360
this team respects me how much this team

2540
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:28,719
cuz I've seen their resumes now on

2541
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:31,040
Indeed cuz I'm on there right they're

2542
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,040
looking we've already lost a couple

2543
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,400
>> because that's what they're saying I

2544
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,080
have residents even saying this don't

2545
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,639
make no sense I finally get call backs

2546
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:43,520
right so maybe in that moment that let

2547
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,280
down had to be done in that way that it

2548
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,480
was done to let those that I'm a voice

2549
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:53,280
for realize I did not ask them to do any

2550
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,760
of this. I'm very humbled about it and

2551
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,840
appreciative when I walked in the office

2552
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,800
and saw red eyes, right? And they even

2553
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,840
said that's why would the commissioners

2554
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,280
not see it,

2555
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:06,480
>> right?

2556
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,280
So again, and I think uh commissioners,

2557
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,960
I'm sorry, uh Councilwoman Scott was

2558
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,320
there to kind of see the stability.

2559
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,760
Someone in the audience right now,

2560
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,280
they're sick of having transition. I've

2561
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,639
been there, you ask how long have I been

2562
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:22,390
there? Since 2021,

2563
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,840
that's going on five years and there has

2564
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,480
been three EDs.

2565
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:29,920
>> That's been our that's been our history.

2566
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:30,800
I've been there since

2567
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,960
>> we have to change it.

2568
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,800
>> That's what I'm saying. If you look at

2569
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,639
my resume, my last job I was there for

2570
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,960
18 years. I know I look, you know,

2571
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:42,080
young, but I was there for 18 years. So,

2572
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,760
it's longevity. I'm also one of those

2573
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,520
people when I interview, I look at

2574
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,159
stability, longevity.

2575
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,679
>> So, that is something.

2576
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:53,280
>> Everything happens for a reason.

2577
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,040
>> I just because of what you just said,

2578
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:56,800
because of the people behind you. Look

2579
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,560
at all them people behind you.

2580
01:33:58,560 --> 01:33:59,120
>> I feel it.

2581
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:00,560
>> Should have been at that interview.

2582
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,199
>> I feel it.

2583
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,400
you'd have been at that interview. They

2584
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,679
could have sat at that interview with

2585
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:06,480
you.

2586
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:08,080
>> It would be very difficult for them

2587
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:09,280
like, "Nah, we going to ignore

2588
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,520
everything she's done. We going to hire

2589
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,120
Sally Smith

2590
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,480
>> who we don't know."

2591
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:18,719
>> I just wanted to share that

2592
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:21,760
>> I did ask you that morning.

2593
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,960
>> Why? Well, I asked you that it was

2594
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,120
afternoon, but I asked you. Yeah, I

2595
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:31,120
asked you. I said I said you No, ma'am.

2596
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,440
in the office to Miss White

2597
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,280
>> and I asked you I said come here for a

2598
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,840
minute to your office and I asked you

2599
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,320
why. I said why did you withdraw? And at

2600
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,000
that point if you hadn't told me that

2601
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,360
you changed your mind I would have went

2602
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,760
to told the commission the commissioners

2603
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:47,440
miss wells changed her mind. She needs

2604
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:50,239
to take that interview tonight.

2605
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:51,600
>> But when you approached me was that

2606
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,600
after I had rescended already?

2607
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,000
>> No you hadn't rescended. Well that that

2608
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,360
was not after you had rescended.

2609
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,320
>> No no rescended four days later mean?

2610
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:01,679
That that was before she

2611
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:02,880
>> she said the next day

2612
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,000
>> that was [clears throat] that was that

2613
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,280
same she the the text came in at 1:11

2614
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:07,920
a.m.

2615
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:08,880
>> Mhm.

2616
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,880
>> When I we read everything when I went

2617
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,760
over to the office she was they was

2618
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,440
getting the things ready for the

2619
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:18,159
appreciation. Miss White and her were in

2620
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:20,000
Miss conference room. It was right

2621
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,840
there. I asked her I said come here for

2622
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,440
a minute into your office. She came in

2623
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:26,800
office. I said why did you talk?

2624
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,560
But I'm sorry. You had said that had you

2625
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,320
known then you would have talked to me.

2626
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,880
So this is after I already had done it.

2627
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,320
>> No, but it didn't matter.

2628
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:35,840
>> Yeah. I just wanted to be clear. That's

2629
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:36,239
all.

2630
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:38,159
>> She said you she got your email at one

2631
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:39,600
morning. The next day she saw you on

2632
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:40,000
Saturday.

2633
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,239
>> No, this was the same day. It was 7:00

2634
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:44,239
p.m. That's why I'm saying it it's not

2635
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:46,480
adding up. It was 7:00 p.m. Me and Jame

2636
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:48,159
were still packing up things for the big

2637
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:50,320
event that was the next day. And she was

2638
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,920
looking for assistance to set up the

2639
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,480
laptop and just happened to be on our

2640
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:56,400
side by the office. And she grabbed me

2641
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,000
playfully like, "Come here. What's

2642
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:58,639
wrong?"

2643
01:35:58,639 --> 01:35:59,760
>> No, I said that's what she did. I said,

2644
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,760
"Why did you withdraw?" I said it point

2645
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,320
blank. Why did you withdraw? Cuz if you

2646
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,239
had have told me right then and there

2647
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:08,480
that you changed your mind, I would have

2648
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:10,239
told them because it wasn't quite six

2649
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:10,880
yet.

2650
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,400
>> She had changed her mind to the last.

2651
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,000
>> Yes, I had. I had already sent the email

2652
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,920
at 1 in the morning. She got

2653
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,280
>> You talking about Friday before Saturday

2654
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:20,159
or Saturday?

2655
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:21,679
>> Friday. That same day.

2656
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:24,000
>> She She texted her at one o'clock. She

2657
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,239
saw her the same day. She asked her,

2658
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:28,560
"Hey, why did you withdraw?" Instead of

2659
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,800
saying in that moment, "Hey, actually I

2660
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,719
was my feelings are her x y having the

2661
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:33,920
conversation and saying actually I do

2662
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,000
want to interview that day." She waited

2663
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,480
4 days after and that's when she said

2664
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:40,239
and that's what Miss Morris saying like

2665
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,719
she why wait so long? We can't get

2666
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:43,360
there.

2667
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,040
>> I could have told them. Miss Wells

2668
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,239
changed her mind

2669
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:48,320
>> because I was in there early because I

2670
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,239
went early to make sure that everything

2671
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,400
was set up because that was why Mr.

2672
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,800
Gillette was coming in and he m sure I

2673
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,440
got there early and I asked her why did

2674
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,280
you withdraw?

2675
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,600
>> I asked that question and then 4 days

2676
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,159
later she rescended it.

2677
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:05,920
>> Did you fill out a form?

2678
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,440
>> We about to get busy with the public

2679
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:09,600
comments. Okay. Anybody have anything

2680
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,440
else on the status? That's the last

2681
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,440
thing on the Oh, no. No. Mr. Thomas. Mr.

2682
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:13,840
Thomas.

2683
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:14,719
>> Mr. Thomas

2684
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:16,480
>> want to say something.

2685
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,560
>> Good evening everybody. Um, actually I'm

2686
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,159
offended by being here tonight.

2687
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:24,000
>> Wow. Um, be honest with you. Um, I don't

2688
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:25,520
know who the young lady was speaking on

2689
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,440
that she's saying the commissioner is

2690
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:30,400
disrespectful as well because we some

2691
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,080
it's some of us on this commission as

2692
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,760
some of her biggest supporters.

2693
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,159
>> It's some of us who found out when she

2694
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:39,679
pulled back custard out and told her to

2695
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,760
come back to the commission. still at

2696
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,520
this moment right now. The reason

2697
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,480
there's not a ed in place right now

2698
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,080
because there's been a push back from

2699
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,080
commissions that we need to talk about

2700
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,239
this before we make this decision.

2701
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:53,280
>> Right. Good.

2702
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,199
>> She have support. She's been a walking

2703
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:58,880
resume. But in Easter housing

2704
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,480
and I told everybody, get out your

2705
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:01,920
feelings cuz it's not about y'all. It's

2706
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,360
about the damn people.

2707
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:08,149
>> There you go. There you go. [applause]

2708
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:10,400
Everybody been around and seen how insta

2709
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,639
housing was just five years ago. It was

2710
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:15,440
the most embarrassing sight to see. We

2711
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,560
winning now. We in the best position we

2712
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,400
can possibly be. And that's because the

2713
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,400
collaboration of everybody as a team

2714
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,159
have made the sacrifice to make it

2715
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:25,360
happen.

2716
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,080
>> Members of our teams work overtime. At

2717
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,560
one point, they would never do that.

2718
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:31,920
>> Don't think that's not noticed. Don't

2719
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,320
think that's not appreciated.

2720
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,000
She's not out the race. Like I just told

2721
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,360
everybody last week at the meeting,

2722
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,000
she's not out the race. It's still

2723
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,040
discussions about this situation.

2724
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,760
Again, she's been walking resume. I

2725
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,360
asked the question, what what number

2726
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,679
would we give the agency? I believe I

2727
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:51,520
got about a seven, eight where we

2728
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,520
thought the agent agency was at. That's

2729
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,040
a great number compared to where we was

2730
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,000
at.

2731
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:56,719
>> That's good.

2732
01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:58,560
>> I think everybody want to do the right

2733
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,560
thing. Just get the emotions out the

2734
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,119
way, y'all. Because I know for a fact me

2735
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:04,800
as a black man can't no woman stand up

2736
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,800
here and say I disrespect them and insta

2737
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,159
commission nowhere else.

2738
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:09,840
>> That's true.

2739
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,760
>> And I think I serve more people in

2740
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:13,040
probably most than everybody and money

2741
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,960
come out of my pockets when it come to

2742
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,880
serving these people in. And I'm here on

2743
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,800
in commission because the condition is

2744
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,480
and the way the people was being treated

2745
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:23,360
in housing and the team have done a

2746
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:24,960
great job. I don't think nobody can

2747
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,119
question Miss Will integrity her

2748
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:28,800
professionally and what she have done

2749
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,520
with the culture of the agency. A

2750
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,199
decision have to be made. It's gonna be the right decision

2751
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,360
was best for the agency.

2752
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,280
She was the number one prize for us.

2753
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:45,750
And that's honest truth.

2754
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,239
» So we got a decision have to be made and

2755
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:56,149
we going to have to make the decision.

2756
01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:01,590
Yes.

2757
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,760
» Um, I was going to wait till everybody

2758
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,040
else spoke, but man called my name. So,

2759
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,199
um,

2760
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,840
man, this this a lot of this book of

2761
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,159
words is

2762
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:16,960
echoes, right?

2763
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,239
I am proud as all get outs like that,

2764
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:23,520
right? For for me from my first day

2765
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,000
coming, the culture build was the most

2766
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,480
important thing with regard to the

2767
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:31,920
organization, right? You have to build a

2768
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,000
culture that we could grow from, right?

2769
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,840
Because Insta Housing has had a lot of

2770
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,560
tumor. It's been a lot of in and out, up

2771
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,920
and down, you know, for not just years,

2772
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,840
decades. It's been it's been there's

2773
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,800
been some great folks at the

2774
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,719
>> Yeah, it's still to see where it is now.

2775
01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:53,760
is immensely impressive. It's a

2776
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,840
testament to the work of many, many

2777
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,679
folks. There's folks here who I know who

2778
01:40:57,679 --> 01:41:00,159
here now sitting out there with y'all

2779
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:02,719
who was frowned up about the place,

2780
01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:04,320
right? They're like, "Man, I come to

2781
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,639
work cuz I got to eat." Right? People

2782
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,159
come here now because they want to build

2783
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:09,280
something,

2784
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:14,880
>> right? So, I'm I'm proud. I'm proud. Um

2785
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,480
>> suited up police officer sitting over

2786
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,800
there whose family, right, he came

2787
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:22,719
through. He trumpet the you know sing

2788
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:25,280
for the organization. I will say this

2789
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,560
thing right here is heartbreaking for me

2790
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,360
for us to be sitting on sideways or

2791
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,040
opposite sides of the table talking

2792
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,639
about what's going on for me. This

2793
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:37,040
shouldn't have got nowhere near this.

2794
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,360
Right.

2795
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,159
>> Right. We family. We y'all got Look, we

2796
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,840
can talk and work it out. At least I

2797
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,679
would have I would have thought so.

2798
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,920
Right. And I don't want to mistake the

2799
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,760
decorum of me sitting here silent

2800
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,639
because he call my name. talk, but it's

2801
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:53,760
like I don't want to me sitting here

2802
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,920
silent is the quorum. We got we got a

2803
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,360
vice chair. We got a pecking order.

2804
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:58,560
That's why y'all not hearing from me

2805
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:05,520
speaking, right? I say that to say cuz I got to stop because I'll talk all day.

2806
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,080
I say that to say that this could have

2807
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,960
been done better. We set up what we

2808
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,040
believe is the proper way to do things.

2809
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,360
You set up We have a a a committee

2810
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:16,960
that's doing this. That's why they

2811
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,880
speaking. There's two people that built

2812
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:20,320
we built a committee around it so they

2813
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,040
can focus on it and bring things to us,

2814
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,760
>> right? That's how this this thing works

2815
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,040
so that they can concentrate and move

2816
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:28,480
the things forward, right? Unless you

2817
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:32,159
concentrate the work. Um

2818
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:34,560
I'm I'm so heartbroken that we here with

2819
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,840
this. Um

2820
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,679
if I can reserve just because I want to

2821
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:41,119
hear from y'all y'all my people. I

2822
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:43,520
didn't y'all so many pulled me to the

2823
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,880
side. So I I've had that. And I know I

2824
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,000
have an idea what y'all going to say.

2825
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,280
God bless y'all for saying what's on

2826
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,280
your mind is in your hearts. If I can

2827
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:54,400
reserve something, I'll speak at that.

2828
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,880
I'm glad y'all here, man. Thank the

2829
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,639
public.

2830
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:07,191
>> All right. First one, Da Johnson.

2831
01:43:07,201 --> 01:43:13,830
[clears throat]

2832
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,280
» Oh. Um, madam clerk, you want to

2833
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:16,880
announce the rules for Good evening?

2834
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,400
Hold on one second, please. Madam Cler,

2835
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:19,360
you want to announce the rules for

2836
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,360
public comment, please?

2837
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,760
>> For the Inst City Council, that's

2838
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,159
>> for um public comments for the Inkster

2839
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,840
City Council. You get three minutes and

2840
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:29,280
your three minutes starts once you

2841
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,480
approach the podium. Once the um sound

2842
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,880
go off,

2843
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,800
that's when it ends.

2844
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,480
>> Let me restart it because I did take

2845
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,239
nine minutes from [clears throat]

2846
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:43,910
>> seconds.

2847
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,760
And just to uh state for the record

2848
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,000
again, the Inkster City Council will

2849
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,600
recognize the public comments that were

2850
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,679
turned in for the Inkster City Council.

2851
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,360
Any that were turned in for Instra

2852
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,360
Housing, if we have them, we will ensure

2853
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,960
that the Inster Housing Commission gets

2854
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:58,960
them and then they will address those.

2855
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,400
>> I did them over.

2856
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,560
>> Oh, and you forward. Oh, so you're good

2857
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,800
to go.

2858
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:05,679
>> Good evening, y'all.

2859
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:06,400
>> Good evening.

2860
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,800
>> First of all, speak to the

2861
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,737
>> I do apologize. My name is Da

2862
01:44:10,737 --> 01:44:12,639
[clears throat] Johnson. I am a resident

2863
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:14,719
of Inkster housing. I live in Lemon

2864
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:16,719
Gardens, too. Why y'all broke it up, I

2865
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:19,119
don't know. Um, I've been there my whole

2866
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,840
life. It's just been Lemon Garden. But I

2867
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,920
can say this,

2868
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,520
Insta Housing's turnover rate is

2869
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,760
horrible.

2870
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,920
You are HR.

2871
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,719
I cannot personally say I don't like

2872
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:37,199
you. I can say I hate your work ethics.

2873
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,920
I do not like the work ethics of your

2874
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,199
team.

2875
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:44,239
Case in point,

2876
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,880
you stated that you sent someone to my

2877
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,679
home to do drywall.

2878
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:53,119
Lie. You sent someone to my home to

2879
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:58,159
paint over the mold in the bathroom.

2880
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:01,750
I approve.

2881
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:06,000
You have a landscaping company

2882
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,920
that comes through supposed to do

2883
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,520
landscaping. They have do it.

2884
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,560
>> I have proof.

2885
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,400
>> Secondly, do you remember the first

2886
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,840
encounter we ever had?

2887
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,000
>> First encounter we ever had. You ran up

2888
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,760
to the maintenance yard speaking to a

2889
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,280
cousin of mine. Didn't know it was my

2890
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:28,000
cousin.

2891
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,360
>> My daughter

2892
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,520
>> like this was a dating service.

2893
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:36,159
>> Excuse me, D. I'm sorry. you you have to

2894
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:54,070
your I do apolog.

2895
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,360
They were out partying. So, she ran over

2896
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,440
telling my cousin she had a date for

2897
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,119
him. That was the first impression. I

2898
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:03,199
didn't even know who the lady was. I

2899
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:04,400
asked him when she left. He said,

2900
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,639
"That's HR.

2901
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:08,239
Next time I see her, she's serving

2902
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:09,600
drinks out of her car at our

2903
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:14,960
appreciation. I don't appreciate that."

2904
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:19,280
If they want to make her ED, that is

2905
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,199
fine. If she has the qualifications,

2906
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:23,440
just get the job done and follow through

2907
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,920
and follow up. That's all I ask. I

2908
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,800
managed for 18 plus years and this is

2909
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,840
horrible. Thank you,

2910
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:46,709
>> George T. Anderson.

2911
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:48,080
» Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

2912
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,440
>> Good evening,

2913
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:50,960
>> everyone.

2914
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:55,750
I'm George Terrell Anderson.

2915
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:57,520
I've been with the housing commission

2916
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,119
for

2917
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:02,400
41 years.

2918
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:06,390
I wonder if uh [applause]

2919
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,480
I wonder if some of these names that I'm

2920
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:11,440
about to read off some of you might

2921
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:14,320
notice or recognize. How about Floyd

2922
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,560
Simmons? Did some of you ever know Floyd

2923
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,320
Simmons?

2924
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,800
>> How about Dr. Terrell Hussein? Did y'all

2925
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,600
know him?

2926
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,679
Martial Armstrong,

2927
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:29,600
Linda Bernard, Aaron Cooper, Glattis

2928
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:35,040
Neil, Paul Bolinger, Linda Jones,

2929
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:38,960
all former Inkster housing executives

2930
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:44,960
executive directors. I knew all of them.

2931
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,440
Commissioner, I remember you 41 years

2932
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:50,719
ago. [laughter]

2933
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:53,040
I voted for you 41 years ago.

2934
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,840
>> Thank you. That's sweet.

2935
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,000
>> So, uh,

2936
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:03,520
in regards to the current

2937
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,280
temporary executive director, Miss

2938
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,960
Wells,

2939
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,320
I think she's doing a wonderful job.

2940
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:10,000
Y'all,

2941
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:14,159
I saw I've seen everyone on this list,

2942
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:16,000
and I can tell you some stories about

2943
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:20,000
all of them, good and bad.

2944
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:26,320
Some of them left in the questionable circumstances

2945
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:30,000
and I I won't go any further than that.

2946
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,480
Miss Wells, you're all right with me.

2947
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,639
Don't Don't uh change course in the

2948
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:38,080
middle of the stream. Thank you,

2949
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:38,560
gentlemen.

2950
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:38,880
>> Thank you.

2951
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:43,430
ladies and gentlemen.

2952
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:43,840
Pisha

2953
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:57,750
>> Hajes.

2954
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,639
Good evening.

2955
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:00,159
>> Good evening.

2956
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,639
>> My name is Kesha. I live at uh Twin

2957
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:03,760
Towers

2958
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,679
>> and

2959
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:10,320
I've had a issue with a person. I I

2960
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,480
don't even know her full name, but she

2961
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:14,880
lives above me in my apartment.

2962
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,360
>> Okay. But it seems as though the issue

2963
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,880
is the disrespect

2964
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:23,600
and it seems as though when you report

2965
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,960
it to the manager, he's on her her side.

2966
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,040
First of all, I uh she was a security

2967
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:33,440
guard for maybe about six months and

2968
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:36,000
another guy that lives there, but it's

2969
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,560
just a point of

2970
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,119
he's on their side. He claims he's not a

2971
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:43,679
biased person.

2972
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:45,600
Every time you see him, he's in the

2973
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,960
guard's booth, not in his office. He has

2974
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,080
them two laughing and giggling. You walk

2975
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,639
past, she can say snark uh snide

2976
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:57,119
comments, but then when he's not around,

2977
01:49:57,119 --> 01:49:59,920
if you comment back, she goes in on you.

2978
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:02,239
So, I'm not going to let nobody call me

2979
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:04,960
and hoes and ballheads and I

2980
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,440
don't say anything back to her. But you

2981
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,760
know what? I didn't even know we were

2982
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,840
able to um put in complaints every 10

2983
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,080
seconds, but she can make her complaint.

2984
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,159
She throws rocks and then hides her

2985
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:21,440
hand. When I first started, uh if I say

2986
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,320
anything to this lady, if I say she'll

2987
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,056
walk past him,

2988
01:50:26,056 --> 01:50:26,159
>> [clears throat]

2989
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,639
>> ugly. And I'm like, grow up. I wasn't

2990
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:30,880
talking to you at your bald head ass.

2991
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,199
Rudy says he sees the camera, but you

2992
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:36,000
cannot hear any voices on the camera. I

2993
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,239
just want this the stuff to stop. It

2994
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:40,080
makes no type of sense. He's not

2995
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,320
addressing it. She's not even supposed

2996
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:43,840
to be in the guard's booth. They have a

2997
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,360
note on the door says no residents in

2998
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,440
the guard booth. She's in that guard

2999
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:52,320
booth. We just had an incident. So when

3000
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,480
I see her in the guard booth again last

3001
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:56,960
week, I got upset cuz Rudy is in the

3002
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,920
guard's booth right with her and Evans.

3003
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,800
So I didn't have my key fob. They have

3004
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,119
this thing when they want to you to use

3005
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:07,199
your key fob, use it. Sometimes they

3006
01:51:07,199 --> 01:51:08,480
just let me in the building without the

3007
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,639
key fob. So this particular day, I work

3008
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:12,719
for Mills on Wheels and I know I ain't

3009
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:14,800
got that much time left, but it's just a

3010
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,360
point of when I seen her, I got upset

3011
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,280
and I don't know how many letters is in

3012
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,159
my file right now because

3013
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:24,400
the stuff is not being addressed. I just

3014
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,040
came here for that. Thank you.

3015
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,390
>> Thank you,

3016
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:38,097
Rita Walker.

3017
01:51:38,107 --> 01:51:39,280
» [snorts]

3018
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,119
>> Good evening.

3019
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:42,719
>> I wrote down just so I don't forget

3020
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:45,280
anything. Um, while I'm not a resident

3021
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,119
of Ingster, a lot of my family members

3022
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:48,719
are and I do a lot of business in

3023
01:51:48,719 --> 01:51:51,119
Ingster and I just would like to express

3024
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:53,280
my concern regarding what appears to be

3025
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,440
um an unfair and inequitable hiring

3026
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:57,920
process within the city of Ingster. uh

3027
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:00,000
when an employee has served successfully

3028
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,119
in an intrim leadership role for nearly

3029
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,360
a year demonstrating their ability,

3030
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,280
commitment and qualifications to perform

3031
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,520
the duties of that position. It's

3032
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:11,360
troubling to see that individual be

3033
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:14,159
overlooked for the permanent role. Um

3034
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:15,760
personally, I feel like you should hire

3035
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,159
from within. Sometimes you don't even I

3036
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:20,080
don't know you guys policy, but I work

3037
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,800
in HR as well. And sometimes you don't

3038
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,320
even have to open the position

3039
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,880
externally. If you know you have a great

3040
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,440
person internally doing that job, you

3041
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:31,280
snag that person up before somebody else

3042
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,760
grabs them from underneath you. Um the

3043
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,760
sh the city should be committed to fair,

3044
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,520
transparent, and consistent hiring

3045
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,080
practices that recognize experience,

3046
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,000
performance, and demonstrated

3047
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,400
leadership. Employees who have already

3048
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,159
proven themselves while doing the work

3049
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,960
deserves genuine consideration and a

3050
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,520
fair opportunity for advancement. I

3051
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:54,000
respectfully ask the city council and

3052
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,560
city leadership to examine the hiring

3053
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:58,880
and selection process and ensure that

3054
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,599
qualified internal candidates are being

3055
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:04,400
evaluated fairly and without favoritism

3056
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,119
or bias. The employees of Ingster and

3057
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,520
the residents they serve deserve nothing

3058
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,119
less. Thank you.

3059
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:16,870
>> Thank you,

3060
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:23,830
» Miss Sheena Wells.

3061
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:30,790
Shana Clark.

3062
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:35,109
» Um

3063
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:39,119
to basically

3064
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:41,280
conclude what I said earlier about

3065
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,520
internally when you have someone that

3066
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,560
has proven themselves

3067
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,960
um over the years. I just want to know

3068
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,480
why are we considering anything outside

3069
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,440
of her. So I just want to leave that

3070
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:57,520
question with you guys and that's all I

3071
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,888
have to say.

3072
01:54:00,898 --> 01:54:04,149
[applause]

3073
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:05,840
» Just so y'all know for the city since

3074
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,679
we're a governmental entity we have to

3075
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:10,320
post positions. Um so we have an opening

3076
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,560
we have to post it and interview. We

3077
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,639
can't just hire without posting and

3078
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,080
giving people opportunity to apply for

3079
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,800
the job.

3080
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,310
Kenneth Scott.

3081
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:26,229
» Finally. [laughter]

3082
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:27,679
» Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

3083
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:28,320
>> Good evening.

3084
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,760
>> My name is Kim Scott and I am a

3085
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,080
maintenance technician

3086
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:38,239
for Easter and also the union steward

3087
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:40,960
for AFME 290.

3088
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,560
And I'm here to let you know that the

3089
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,880
members of 290 endorse Miss Wales to be

3090
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,840
the EDS. Give her interview. Give her a

3091
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:51,840
chance. You know, you know, we know what

3092
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,480
she says. Now, like you say, we have

3093
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:56,480
some residents here. We It's hard to

3094
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:57,920
make everybody happy. You know,

3095
01:54:57,920 --> 01:54:58,960
sometimes you're going to have that

3096
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,199
problem. But believe you me, if there's

3097
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,119
any residents that's going to be mad,

3098
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:04,480
it's probably because they got bad

3099
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:09,360
housekeeping. That's no offense to any resident in the world. they ain't

3100
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:12,000
paying their bills, they tearing up the

3101
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
residents or they they part of the

3102
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,920
criminal elements, they gonna have a problem, Miss Miss V.

3103
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:22,400
Okay. So, as a as a Navy veteran, if you

3104
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,639
got a person a woman in in place to

3105
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:26,719
command the troops, let her do her job.

3106
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:33,430
All right. [applause]

3107
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:38,870
» Tangela Ward.

3108
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:43,109
That ain't working.

3109
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:44,560
» Good evening, everyone. Good evening,

3110
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:45,119
council.

3111
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:46,080
>> Good evening.

3112
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,199
>> I have a couple of questions to ask. I

3113
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:51,520
have been in the city all of my life.

3114
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:53,599
Moved out a couple of times.

3115
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,119
>> I have been over to the Simmons

3116
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:58,080
buildings for one to get an office,

3117
01:55:58,080 --> 01:55:59,760
nothing. For two or three years,

3118
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,080
nothing. Why isn't our envision center

3119
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,880
open? Why is it being utilized? Why is

3120
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,119
it so hard to use the Simmons building?

3121
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:08,560
Why can't you get in there to use the

3122
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,639
Simmons building? Now, we have all of

3123
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:12,400
these people that's working for housing.

3124
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,400
Where is the residence at? Because I'm

3125
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,000
getting complaints from the residents.

3126
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,040
I'm getting complaints from the

3127
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:18,320
residents saying they're being pushed

3128
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,760
out of their apartments. Um, I have one

3129
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,599
resident that's scared to come. She's

3130
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:26,080
struggling with her rent, but you said

3131
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,719
on your website you had programs to help

3132
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:31,040
people with the rent. That's not true. I

3133
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:32,400
have a lot of residents that's not

3134
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:34,960
getting any help with their rent. Again,

3135
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:37,040
the building, the vision center is for

3136
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,920
the community, right? Am I right? Is it

3137
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,159
for the community? So, why is it being

3138
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:44,800
used by the community?

3139
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,560
I've been over there several times to

3140
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:49,679
put in pro um to use the building

3141
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:52,560
several times. I even offered to rent a

3142
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,480
building with paying money over at the

3143
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:57,280
Simmons building. Nothing. I had a

3144
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,400
meeting with the ED and Cooper. Nothing.

3145
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,320
Still, I'm still waiting. That's been

3146
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,199
about what a year. Nothing.

3147
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:07,360
>> Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. I don't know

3148
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,840
anything about this ED, so I can't

3149
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:11,199
really say anything. But I think it's

3150
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:14,560
very biased to have all of the staff

3151
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:17,360
coming in for her support because the

3152
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:20,239
staff needs a job, right?

3153
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:21,920
>> So, they're not going to go against

3154
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,239
their ED, right?

3155
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,800
And another point I want to ask, how

3156
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,040
many residents

3157
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:30,960
do you have that work in Inkster

3158
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,320
housing?

3159
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,760
>> I know a lot of people that applied for

3160
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:36,960
jobs

3161
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,840
>> that was qualified. Nothing. Wasn't even

3162
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:41,679
called back. I'm not pointing any

3163
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:44,239
fingers at anybody, but it's about the

3164
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:47,760
community again. We have a beautiful

3165
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,840
stage over at the Simmons building that

3166
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,560
is not being utilized. You can't utilize

3167
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,000
it unless you know somebody that's

3168
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,840
sitting in a commissioner or on a board

3169
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,440
or something. I don't know how you get

3170
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,440
in there because I've been trying for

3171
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,320
almost five years now. And for the

3172
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:05,360
council, the Inkster Wreck is for the

3173
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,639
community. The Inkster Wreck is for the

3174
01:58:08,639 --> 01:58:12,159
community. No one should have a problem

3175
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:14,080
with getting inside the Insta Wreck. I

3176
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,520
live in a community. I don't want to

3177
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,920
call anybody names out, but we are going

3178
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,320
to have a problem if I hear of a next

3179
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,800
person trying to put a program in the

3180
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,440
Insta Wreck and it's not getting done.

3181
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,679
Good programs.

3182
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:30,000
Um, it was a basketball program. This

3183
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,360
guy brought in at least 50 youth off the

3184
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:36,320
street. He's not in there anymore. He's

3185
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:37,840
not. He's can't he's a resident of

3186
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:41,840
Ingster Hami. He's not in there. me. I

3187
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,000
have a youth program, criminal violence

3188
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,920
intervention.

3189
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,760
My youth was in the wreck. You know

3190
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,639
what? I had a bunch of grown-ups

3191
01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,199
talking about kids

3192
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,280
talking about how bad they were, how

3193
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,280
disrespectful they were. But guess how

3194
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:58,800
many people came to me and said

3195
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:00,800
something?

3196
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:04,719
These are adults, not one.

3197
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:06,800
And guess what? My program is struggling

3198
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,080
on the streets with kids that's

3199
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:09,599
homeless. Did y'all know we have

3200
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:12,080
homeless kids in Inkster?

3201
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,239
We have homeless people in Inkster. I

3202
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:16,000
don't have anywhere for them to go. We

3203
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,239
talk about gun violence. I went to Lance

3204
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,040
and to advocate for CVI day. Nowhere for

3205
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,000
the kids to go. I can stop it. I can

3206
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,320
minimize it, but where are we going?

3207
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,800
Where do you take them to?

3208
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:31,760
Where do you take it to?

3209
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,800
It's about the community. It's about the

3210
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,400
community. It's too much bickering.

3211
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:39,040
meeting was not even spoke to happen.

3212
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:42,320
What is it for? A bunch of nonsense. If

3213
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,400
they were going to hire, she should have

3214
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:45,840
been hired. It's no need to come here

3215
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:47,440
and do all of this. It's a waste of

3216
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:48,800
time.

3217
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,280
>> It's like she's bullying herself to be

3218
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:54,320
ED. If you want her, you won't. Now, let

3219
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,199
me tell you, I'm a manager.

3220
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:00,239
And if someone I don't I

3221
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:01,840
never heard of anything that you can

3222
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,800
schedule a interview because if I say

3223
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,480
that I need for you to interview on

3224
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,239
Tuesday at 2 o'clock. If you not there

3225
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:11,199
then you don't want the job.

3226
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:12,960
Period. Point blank. You don't want the

3227
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:16,400
job. When I when I was uh hired for

3228
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:20,080
salary I did not have an opportunity to

3229
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:21,760
tell them when I wanted to come in. And

3230
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:23,040
I'm not shooting these shots at her

3231
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,480
because I don't even know her. But I'm

3232
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,080
just talking about business.

3233
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:27,760
>> Okay. Thank you. Have a good day. All

3234
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,440
right.

3235
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:35,589
>> Taylor Lewis.

3236
02:00:35,599 --> 02:00:38,000
» Hello everyone. I am Taylor Lewis. I am

3237
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,280
the director of finance at IHC. I'm not

3238
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,639
going to give my backstory about how I

3239
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:44,400
came in. However, I'm going to start

3240
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,920
from September. September 2025. We had a

3241
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,599
transition. It wasn't just because

3242
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:51,840
someone decided to resign. Mrs. as well

3243
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:54,719
as got volunttoled to be in the position

3244
02:00:54,719 --> 02:00:56,960
and whatever form for formalities they

3245
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,040
had with the resolution, it happened.

3246
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,639
And so my issue was she was doing such a

3247
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:04,560
great job. I even reached out to the

3248
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,880
mayor myself as well as the chairman and

3249
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,199
the vice chair to say, "Hey, cuz I knew

3250
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:12,400
that the process was happen to happen to

3251
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:13,920
support. Why would we even reach out to

3252
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:15,360
a third party that's going to take a

3253
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,080
percentage of whomever salary that they

3254
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:19,920
recruit when you have the person that's

3255
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,920
already right there? And why would you

3256
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,159
even allow him to be her recruiter when

3257
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:26,320
she's already in house with you? He did

3258
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:28,480
not recruit her. She's already there.

3259
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,080
So, why would she go through that type

3260
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:31,920
of process? Okay, they say that's the

3261
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,920
formality of it. It didn't happen with

3262
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:37,199
the prior ED that same formality. Um,

3263
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:39,599
fast forward, I sent them all an email.

3264
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,119
The only person that responded to my

3265
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:43,760
email out of I guess we just gonna say

3266
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:45,199
just because because you don't have to

3267
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:47,040
be professional in a volunteer position,

3268
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:48,480
right?

3269
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,599
>> Um was the mayor.

3270
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:53,920
February rolled around. Miss Moore

3271
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,440
always comes to the finance office and

3272
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,119
I'm going I have to say Miss Moore

3273
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:58,159
because Miss Moore is the only

3274
02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:01,520
commissioner that we see all the time.

3275
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,280
She will always come in speak to us all.

3276
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,199
It really just drastically changed. And

3277
02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:06,880
for everybody saying well she had to she

3278
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,320
had opportunity. She had opportunity.

3279
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:11,040
the opportunity and the support dwindles

3280
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:12,639
down when you could tell that there's

3281
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:14,719
pressure or some type of issue. We all

3282
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:18,639
know that we're all human. Um, when the

3283
02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:20,800
situation occurred with the prior ED,

3284
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,480
Miller reached out to make sure we was

3285
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:25,280
okay, but that was it. And that's that's

3286
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,199
just not how that's supposed to work.

3287
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:29,040
Fast forward, they would say, "Oh, she

3288
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:30,560
had the opportunity. She had she had the

3289
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:32,080
opportunity." But talk about all the

3290
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:33,760
disrespect in between. We're not going

3291
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:35,599
to sit around and act like things do not

3292
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:38,320
bother you on a mental level. And when

3293
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:39,280
uh they're talking about the things that

3294
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:40,639
we need to fight for and all of that,

3295
02:02:40,639 --> 02:02:42,719
Mrs. Wells and myself that got thrown

3296
02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:45,199
into this at the last ninth hour, the

3297
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,040
only reason that we still have employees

3298
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,440
that's working for the um management

3299
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,119
company is because it's Mrs. because of

3300
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:53,360
Mrs. Wells. We went to bat for those

3301
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:54,880
employees to make sure that they stayed

3302
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,040
there. And I know because I was line by

3303
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:58,719
line with her right along with Mill, our

3304
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,159
attorney, to make sure we're able to

3305
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:02,080
keep our staff. So, it's not a it's not

3306
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,560
just about doing what's best for just

3307
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,239
the agency and the resident. She try to

3308
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:08,080
do what's what's best for the employees

3309
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,639
and the residents as well. So, it's kind

3310
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:13,840
of just like a odd thing of like

3311
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,599
the ladies on the board act like they

3312
02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:17,520
don't understand why we here or it's

3313
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,360
because it's the support is not really

3314
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,679
there. How do you govern a board a board

3315
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:23,520
that you only show up to once a month or

3316
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:24,960
you're in California majority of the

3317
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:26,159
time? While I understand it's a

3318
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:27,679
volunteer position, how could you really

3319
02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:29,119
manage what's going on and you're never

3320
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:32,159
here? The people that are here are here.

3321
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:33,679
If you would have asked any one of us

3322
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:35,520
what's going on in the agency, we could

3323
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:36,880
have answered you. We could have gave

3324
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:40,719
you a long positive answer beyond, well,

3325
02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:42,080
this is what's going on negative with

3326
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,480
the uh management company and all those

3327
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:45,280
things. Well, of course, there's

3328
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:46,639
negativity going on because when the

3329
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:48,320
decision was placed in front of the

3330
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:49,760
stakeholders that make the decision,

3331
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:51,520
they didn't think this far ahead that we

3332
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:53,679
will get to a place that is positive,

3333
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:55,760
that's less um turnover, that's more

3334
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:57,760
staff retention, more people that want

3335
02:03:57,760 --> 02:03:59,520
to be in the place. And those are not

3336
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,159
the people that created that advocacy. I

3337
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:03,840
love Commissioner Thomas. I love

3338
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:06,000
Commissioner Miller. I love Commissioner

3339
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:07,360
Strowman. I had a different kind of

3340
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:09,440
respect and love for Commissioner Moore.

3341
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:11,599
But she showed that it became more

3342
02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:14,239
personal than it was anything else. And

3343
02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:17,440
she showed that across the board.

3344
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:20,159
The thing is, it's not just about, oh,

3345
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:21,679
she had a missed opportunity and she

3346
02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:23,599
just threw to Thailand. We beat her over

3347
02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:26,320
the head about why would you re, you

3348
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,880
know, rescend your um I mean withdraw

3349
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:31,679
your offer to be the ED. I understood

3350
02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:33,760
why because I worked side by side with

3351
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,400
her and so she got back in. And I just

3352
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:37,920
think as a courtesy you would want to

3353
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:40,400
say, "Well, we received your withdrawal

3354
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:42,480
and that's it." But if I don't know if

3355
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:44,400
you received it, opened it, responded to

3356
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:46,880
it, why wouldn't I go in and try to

3357
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,280
resend my withdrawal if nobody responded

3358
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:51,199
to it? I know everybody that's up there

3359
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:53,119
on the council if you send them an email

3360
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,040
while maybe they don't respond but you

3361
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:58,480
would expect them to this the respect is

3362
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:01,040
not the same.

3363
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:01,920
>> Thank you.

3364
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:10,229
>> Appreciate

3365
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:15,750
Van Hall.

3366
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,360
» Good afternoon council.

3367
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,599
>> Good afternoon commissioners. As you

3368
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:23,280
guys know, uh I I'm police officer. I'll

3369
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:27,599
be 10 years next month and I will be uh

3370
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:29,360
so I love this city live in this city.

3371
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:31,679
Um been Inster Housing maybe two going

3372
02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:33,920
on three years with Inster Housing as a

3373
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:35,280
police officer. Just want to talk about

3374
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:36,960
a few things internally. I think you all

3375
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:39,760
should go look internally of things. Um

3376
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:41,199
like right now you got Miss Wells and

3377
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:42,480
the team because I see this from the

3378
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:45,199
outside. Um, we got an issue now where

3379
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:47,599
the new company once again before she

3380
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:50,800
got in, they're trying to change the the

3381
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,560
pest control, but you a lot of people

3382
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:53,760
don't see this. I remember I came to

3383
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:54,719
city council meeting one time.

3384
02:05:54,719 --> 02:05:55,599
Everybody's about to fight about to

3385
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:56,639
bring up fights because people playing

3386
02:05:56,639 --> 02:05:58,320
about the roaches all on news. We don't

3387
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,239
want that again. The management company

3388
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:01,679
now is trying to change that to they do

3389
02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:03,599
like two sprays a month or something.

3390
02:06:03,599 --> 02:06:05,360
So, we don't want that. It's letting you

3391
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:06,480
guys know what's going on cuz a lot of

3392
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:07,840
people don't mind I say that but it's

3393
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,320
internal and you got people like Miss W

3394
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:11,360
and everybody in this team that's

3395
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,280
fighting for that internally and I see

3396
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:15,280
it cuz I'm working side by side with

3397
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:17,599
them. Um

3398
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:18,960
like the process of hiring. I know Miss

3399
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:20,560
Lewis mentioned it. Um like I said I

3400
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,400
know some internal things as well. Not

3401
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,800
going to mention that but there was no

3402
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,199
process for that either. Just here you

3403
02:06:27,199 --> 02:06:29,360
go. We could have did the same thing.

3404
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:31,760
Give her a try. Could the same thing? No

3405
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:32,880
interviews. None of that stuff took

3406
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,840
place. We did the same exact thing. Then

3407
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:37,520
she didn't work. Didn't do the interview

3408
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:38,960
process. Wasted money. I see what's

3409
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:39,679
going I see it.

3410
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:41,199
>> You mean with the last ED?

3411
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:41,679
>> Yes.

3412
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:42,079
>> I thought

3413
02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:43,280
>> Yeah. It was just It was just given.

3414
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:44,960
Here you go. No, it was no interviews,

3415
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:46,719
none of that. So, and she's doing a

3416
02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:49,599
great job from a D to a A and I see the

3417
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:52,480
progress of it. I love it. I'm sitting

3418
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,960
next to her house probably for a while.

3419
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:55,920
They're trying to promote me, but I was

3420
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,360
like, "No, I'm stay over there." So,

3421
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:58,719
>> going back to the road.

3422
02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:01,920
>> No, no,

3423
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:04,480
I need you. And just like now, thank you

3424
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:05,599
for the fight for the commission as

3425
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,119
well.

3426
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:09,040
She, Miss Wells, and the team, Taylor,

3427
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:10,560
of course, got to figure out the money.

3428
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:12,320
We got a new housing officer that just

3429
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,119
started. She made that company pay half

3430
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:16,239
of the price, probably more. I don't

3431
02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:17,920
know how much to get another officer

3432
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:19,199
over there because we know it's about to

3433
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:21,599
happen. That wasn't a thought before all

3434
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,719
this. She had to kind of bully them.

3435
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,599
Hey, we need X, Y, and Z.

3436
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:28,880
So things like that intern attorney, I

3437
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:29,679
think you guys should come to these

3438
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:31,679
board commission board meetings and ask

3439
02:07:31,679 --> 02:07:32,960
for numbers, ask for certain things

3440
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:34,560
because even like the roast problem.

3441
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:35,679
When I first started out, I was going to

3442
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:37,840
people houses with a hood on

3443
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:39,920
>> a hood or tell them to come outside. I'm

3444
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,920
not going to catch nobody. Now I can

3445
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:42,880
walk in.

3446
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,079
>> Wait, you wouldn't chase the criminal

3447
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:44,320
now?

3448
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,229
>> No, I wouldn't, sir. We [laughter]

3449
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:49,679
» um I say

3450
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:50,560
>> chase somebody.

3451
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:52,639
>> Internally, things I know about the last

3452
02:07:52,639 --> 02:07:54,800
situation, we could have did the same

3453
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,199
thing. Once again, I say wasting money

3454
02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:58,320
because I know a lot of people don't

3455
02:07:58,320 --> 02:07:59,520
have money. Cities don't have money.

3456
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,760
Government don't have fun. I hood. Why

3457
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:03,440
waste money? Like that just didn't make

3458
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:06,000
sense to me. And I'm a city of Inster

3459
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,239
resident and I see how this stuff is

3460
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:10,000
progressing. I know people talk horribly

3461
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:11,520
about things. I like to ask that people

3462
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,679
a question. For the last couple years,

3463
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:15,520
where did you see it going now though?

3464
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:17,520
We could talk bad about certain things,

3465
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:19,840
but where was it at before?

3466
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:21,199
>> Where where was it at?

3467
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:22,719
>> So that's how I got.

3468
02:08:22,719 --> 02:08:24,853
>> Thank you.

3469
02:08:24,853 --> 02:08:27,750
>> [applause]

3470
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,520
» Jania Clark, I could swear you already

3471
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:30,079
spoke.

3472
02:08:30,079 --> 02:08:32,239
>> Maybe it's your mom.

3473
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:38,069
>> Oh, you good?

3474
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:41,750
» Jamlo White

3475
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,239
all that crying. [laughter]

3476
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:49,430
>> I wasn't gonna say that.

3477
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,709
» Uh, no. I ain't gonna do that today.

3478
02:08:51,709 --> 02:08:52,800
[laughter]

3479
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,119
Um, good evening. Um, my name is Jamila

3480
02:08:55,119 --> 02:08:58,239
White. Um, so I've been here since u

3481
02:08:58,239 --> 02:09:01,360
2022. I have been in six different

3482
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:04,079
positions. Um, I believe that I have

3483
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:07,679
been in these positions due to that. Um,

3484
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:09,520
more than likely common sense, right?

3485
02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:10,800
You see something, you do something

3486
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,599
about it. Seriously. Right.

3487
02:09:13,599 --> 02:09:17,360
um commenting on um a lot of people

3488
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:19,440
don't know the things that happen on the

3489
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:23,199
back end with housing. Um we always hear

3490
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:24,880
the complaints as far as these the

3491
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,639
people are homeless or they're getting

3492
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:28,880
put out. They can't seek assistance or

3493
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,840
anything like that. Right. We have Miss

3494
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,440
Wells have put in place that we do call

3495
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:37,040
out and reach out to these organizations

3496
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,360
to make sure that they even have money.

3497
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:41,199
But the thing about it is that past

3498
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:42,800
leadership

3499
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:44,960
and excuse my expression on it was

3500
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:48,079
shitty very much so and I'mma speak on

3501
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:52,639
that due to the fact that last year we

3502
02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:53,679
didn't know what was going on in the

3503
02:09:53,679 --> 02:09:54,960
back end when this new development

3504
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:56,560
company was coming in pretty much I was

3505
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:59,199
told in so many words that I wasn't

3506
02:09:59,199 --> 02:10:02,480
going to have no job just like that and

3507
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:04,000
it was not nothing that was going to

3508
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,760
save us at all anything you they going

3509
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:09,199
to do whatever they want one by one of

3510
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:10,719
y'all might be walking up out of here

3511
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:12,880
come next year, which is actually this

3512
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:18,800
year. So, Miss Wells did fight that um

3513
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,360
back and forth everything and literally

3514
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:22,800
stood on it so that we wouldn't have to

3515
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:25,520
be on that face front with that. On top

3516
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:26,960
of that, Insta Housing wouldn't even be

3517
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:29,760
where they at right now if it was not we

3518
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,920
inherited

3519
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:35,199
a tremendous amount of debt from

3520
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:38,560
residents who was able to stay in

3521
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:42,239
housing by previous leaderships.

3522
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:44,639
And I'm I can't say nobody name, but

3523
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:46,400
I'mma say the highest I ever had to go

3524
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,800
to court for was $40,000

3525
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:52,480
in back rent. How? when this lady then

3526
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:54,960
inherited this debt long way eons before

3527
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,880
I even got here but it was my job to

3528
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,159
clean it up. So for that negative impact

3529
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:01,920
I don't think that we should you know I

3530
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:02,880
mean of course people going to have

3531
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:04,400
their personal feelings that's fine you

3532
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,000
know or whatever whatever but got to

3533
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:07,760
look at the impact of the positivity

3534
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:10,159
that it has made the changes in

3535
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:13,360
everybody's lives we have not just you

3536
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:15,280
know made people homeless come to us

3537
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:18,400
help we are here to help we do need that

3538
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:22,560
support but as far as back then and

3539
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:24,880
where we at right now

3540
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:30,800
it is I'm very happy about it.

3541
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:36,470
>> Thank you.

3542
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:41,750
» Miss Sheena. Well,

3543
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,440
» do I get six minutes like her?

3544
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,360
>> Nope.

3545
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:48,320
>> You already had like 20.

3546
02:11:48,320 --> 02:11:49,920
>> They told you I like.

3547
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:51,440
>> Anyh who, I do want to thank you all for

3548
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:54,560
giving me your Tuesday evening. I do.

3549
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,159
Um,

3550
02:11:56,159 --> 02:11:57,679
I don't know what will come out of this,

3551
02:11:57,679 --> 02:11:59,520
but earlier you did ask the question,

3552
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:03,360
Lindsay, so I will respond with what my

3553
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,320
hope is. It doesn't mean it will happen.

3554
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:08,320
But I do want to address something. You

3555
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:09,599
know, number one, you you really find

3556
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,199
out how they feel when they come up to

3557
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,800
this mic. And that's good to know. Um,

3558
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:17,040
because my mother always taught me when

3559
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:18,239
you pointing a finger, it's three

3560
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:20,400
pointing back at you. And we can point

3561
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:23,440
that out. Um so anyway, for quite some

3562
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,480
time I have carried the responsibility

3563
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:29,440
of a very very important role um with

3564
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:31,360
Instster Housing Commission way before

3565
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:34,000
we had the transition from the last ED.

3566
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:38,320
I was since day one the go-to person. Um

3567
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,800
the reason why it's obvious to see the

3568
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:43,599
shift in um a couple of the

3569
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:46,800
commissioners is because I was once told

3570
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:49,199
you have done amazing things here at

3571
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:51,440
Inster Housing. You changed it around. I

3572
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:52,960
know there was a comment not too long

3573
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:57,040
ago that said that my work ethic is

3574
02:12:57,040 --> 02:13:01,119
not up to par.

3575
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:03,520
I can outwork anybody in here. Let's

3576
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,280
just know that, okay? Including you, Mr.

3577
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:06,560
B, cuz I get on the flight in the

3578
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,400
morning, okay? [laughter]

3579
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:11,760
On my anniversary to better myself. But

3580
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:15,520
anyways, um the actual we go with with

3581
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:17,920
data and I know that Tangela left, but

3582
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:21,280
she asked how many people are employees

3583
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,119
that live in the city of Ingster and I

3584
02:13:23,119 --> 02:13:24,639
don't know if she heard me, but it's

3585
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:26,800
about 30%. And I actually just hired

3586
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,440
another Inkster resident that started

3587
02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:32,880
last week. So I do respond, you still

3588
02:13:32,880 --> 02:13:34,880
have to be qualified. You still have to

3589
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:37,119
fit the culture because we work too

3590
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:39,040
hard. So it's not just we're going to

3591
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,360
hire your niece or your uncle. They

3592
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:44,960
still have to fit the culture and get

3593
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:47,840
it. As Ken said, I am a drill sergeant

3594
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:49,440
because I believe in you. I got to be

3595
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:51,920
able to believe in you. I respect you.

3596
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,239
Respect me. And we came a long way. If

3597
02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:57,360
that man stands up and endorses me, that

3598
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:59,440
shows that it's power and leadership.

3599
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:02,560
I'm the wife of a Navy veteran. So, I do

3600
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,760
believe in discipline. But nonetheless,

3601
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:07,440
the responsibilities that I've had to

3602
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:11,280
carry, I I definitely take it serious.

3603
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:16,960
Um, and you know, I understand the the mission

3604
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,920
the vision. I don't know what that was.

3605
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:22,960
The vision. Um, and I know that we can

3606
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,639
continue to make progress. As someone

3607
02:14:24,639 --> 02:14:27,040
said, I'm not perfect. Nobody is. I

3608
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,400
don't even strive to be perfect. I

3609
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:30,239
strive to be the best at what I do. I

3610
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:31,760
strive to make sure that my name means

3611
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:34,880
something. Um, and so with that being

3612
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:37,920
said, I really do hope that the city of

3613
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:40,320
Inster, the mayor, the city council

3614
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,520
members understand that while you're not

3615
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,840
over the Inster Housing Commission, we

3616
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,360
are one. And it's very important. If the

3617
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:50,880
news came in here right now, they're not

3618
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:52,639
going to see Inster Housing. They're not

3619
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:54,719
going to see city council. They're going

3620
02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:57,599
to see the city of Inster. And my pledge

3621
02:14:57,599 --> 02:15:00,800
is to continue to change that narrative.

3622
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,360
As Taylor said earlier in September, we

3623
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:04,400
could have took it in a different

3624
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:06,960
direction. I intentionally did not.

3625
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,400
There was not one press release that

3626
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:10,560
went out because the city of Insta did

3627
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:13,760
not need that bad eye, black eye, at

3628
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:15,840
all. And I still stand on that. So, I

3629
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,840
hate that we're here, too. I really do.

3630
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:19,440
I think it's very unprofessional and

3631
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:21,360
immature

3632
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:23,599
even tonight. I don't want to have to go

3633
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:26,880
back and forth with it, you know, but

3634
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:30,800
here we are. So, Lindsay, my my ask is

3635
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,320
there needs to be a change on the board

3636
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:35,119
of commissioners. There's two of them at

3637
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:38,159
least that needs to change. We're not

3638
02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:40,000
going to get anywhere. One of the former

3639
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:43,760
EDs that hired me left and said, "Unless

3640
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:45,520
that board changes, you're not going to

3641
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,560
be able to really make real change."

3642
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:52,239
And I've experienced it now firsthand.

3643
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:55,840
Even the last, the governance needs to

3644
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,159
be there. It's just oversight. That's

3645
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:00,079
it. It's just oversight. But we have to

3646
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:02,400
respect each other and work together.

3647
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:04,719
And I'm committed to it. We don't need

3648
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:06,639
to lie. The truth doesn't need any

3649
02:16:06,639 --> 02:16:09,920
colors. It is what it is. We both have

3650
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:11,760
emails. I'm sure I've been doing HR a

3651
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:13,679
long time. Probably got a little more.

3652
02:16:13,679 --> 02:16:14,880
But I don't want to take it there

3653
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:16,480
because that's not what it's about. When

3654
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:20,159
you ask why did I change again, it's for

3655
02:16:20,159 --> 02:16:22,159
the people that believe in me. And so I

3656
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:24,800
just ask that you all believe in us and

3657
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:26,800
understand if you keep doing the same

3658
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,800
thing, you will get the same results.

3659
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:29,840
And I thank you.

3660
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:36,309
>> Thank you.

3661
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:37,760
» City clerk.

3662
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,439
>> No comment. Mayor,

3663
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:40,719
>> city treasur is not here. What you

3664
02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:42,399
waiting on?

3665
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:46,629
>> Some public comments.

3666
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,719
» Gave it to me.

3667
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:51,519
>> You going to read them?

3668
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:53,760
Yeah,

3669
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,040
I have no choice but to read.

3670
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:57,359
>> Well, I tell you what. Well, I I'm here.

3671
02:16:57,359 --> 02:17:01,830
Let me fill out

3672
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:03,439
» you.

3673
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:05,040
I got something I was going to say.

3674
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:06,479
>> I'm just trying to wait till the end

3675
02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:12,230
because I I get I want to make

3676
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:14,639
» Oh, at the end.

3677
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:17,599
>> This is from the security 1900 in the

3678
02:17:17,599 --> 02:17:19,840
road. It says to whom they concern. I am

3679
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:21,519
writing this letter to express my full

3680
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:24,000
support for Mrs. Wells to remain in her

3681
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:26,319
current position as executive director.

3682
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:28,080
Will her time in this position? Mrs.

3683
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,399
Wells has demonstrated professionalism,

3684
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:32,639
honesty, dedication, and a genuine

3685
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:33,920
commitment to fulfilling the

3686
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,639
responsibilities of her role. From what

3687
02:17:36,639 --> 02:17:38,399
I have personally witnessed, she has

3688
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:40,000
carried herself professionally and has

3689
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:42,000
worked hard to serve the residents and

3690
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:43,599
the community to the best of her

3691
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:46,160
ability. Leadership is not always an

3692
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:48,319
easy responsibility. It requires someone

3693
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:50,319
who is willing to listen, address

3694
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:52,240
concerns, make difficult decisions, and

3695
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:54,639
remain professional while doing so. I

3696
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:56,240
believe Mrs. Wells has demonstrated

3697
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,679
these qualities and deserves the

3698
02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:59,599
opportunity to continue the work she has

3699
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:01,760
started. I believe that when someone's

3700
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:04,000
performing their duties effectively,

3701
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:06,000
honestly, and professionally that should

3702
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:08,465
be recognized and supported. Excuse

3703
02:18:08,465 --> 02:18:09,920
[clears throat] me. Miss Wells has done

3704
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,679
an excellent job thus far, and I have

3705
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:13,359
confidence in her ability to continue

3706
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:18,309
moving forward in a positive direction.

3707
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:20,319
For these reasons, I strongly support

3708
02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:22,080
Miss Wells remaining in her seat and

3709
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:24,479
continue to serve as executive director.

3710
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,479
I believe maintaining consistency and

3711
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:28,719
leadership is important, especially when

3712
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:30,479
the leadership has shown dedication and

3713
02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:32,800
a commitment to doing the job properly.

3714
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:35,519
Please accept this letter as my sincere

3715
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:37,200
statement of support for Mrs. Wells and

3716
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:38,800
her continued service as executive

3717
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:42,559
today. Respectfully, Felicia Flair

3718
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:50,389
>> Security.

3719
02:18:50,399 --> 02:18:53,679
The other one is also

3720
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:55,439
to home may concern. I'm writing in

3721
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:56,880
response to a complaint regarding an

3722
02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:59,200
incident at 12 Twin Towers. I don't know

3723
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:02,240
if this is relevant.

3724
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:04,080
>> I just still printed it because it was

3725
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,840
sent to me for you.

3726
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:06,639
>> Okay.

3727
02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:09,200
>> Public comments.

3728
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:11,120
>> All right.

3729
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:12,719
Well, I work security at the front

3730
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:14,479
entrance of the apartment building.

3731
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:16,000
complaint states that a resident was

3732
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:17,760
inside the security booth and that that

3733
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:20,240
resident are not permitted to be in that

3734
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:22,639
area.

3735
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:24,080
I would like to clarify the

3736
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,080
circumstances because complaint as

3737
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:27,920
presented does not accurately represent

3738
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,559
what occurred. While I am a resident of

3739
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,479
the building, I am also employed as

3740
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:34,479
security and work at the front security

3741
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,479
booth. On the day in question, the

3742
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:37,679
security guard who was working

3743
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:39,040
approached me and asked if I could

3744
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:40,800
relieve him because he had an emergency

3745
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:43,040
and needed to leave. I was speaking with

3746
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,679
him and explaining that unfortunately I

3747
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:47,359
could not relieve him because I was

3748
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:49,200
dealing with a personal emergency of my

3749
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:51,359
own. Therefore, the suggestion that I

3750
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:52,880
was simply a resident improperly

3751
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:54,880
occupying or hanging around inside the

3752
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:57,359
security group is misleading. My

3753
02:19:57,359 --> 02:19:59,120
presence there was directly related to

3754
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:02,080
my role as a security employee in a

3755
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:03,920
conversation with another security guard

3756
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,640
concerning coverage of the post. I take

3757
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:08,800
my position and responsibility seriously

3758
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:10,640
and I understand that residents who are

3759
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,479
not authorized should not be inside the

3760
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:15,359
security. However, I believe it is

3761
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:17,840
important that before accusations are

3762
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,720
made against me for full circumstances

3763
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:22,800
are considered the facts that are

3764
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:25,200
verified. I respectfully request that

3765
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:26,800
this explanation be included with the

3766
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:28,880
complaints and that the record

3767
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:31,120
accurately reflects that I am not only a

3768
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,560
resident of Twin Towers on 1900 Road but

3769
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:36,720
an employee who works security at this

3770
02:20:36,720 --> 02:20:39,120
location. I am more than willing to

3771
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:41,439
discuss this matter further and answer

3772
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:44,880
any questions regarding what occurred.

3773
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:46,960
>> That it

3774
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:47,920
madame clerk.

3775
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:49,040
>> No comments. Mayor

3776
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:50,720
>> Shy Treasur is not here. Mayor and

3777
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:52,160
council communications. Anybody have any

3778
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:53,840
communications?

3779
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:54,560
>> Communications?

3780
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:56,319
>> Oh, I I do this time.

3781
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,000
>> Go ahead. Go ahead.

3782
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:00,080
>> All right. Good evening, everyone. So,

3783
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:01,840
the reason for this meeting is because

3784
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:03,840
the public and employees came to the

3785
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:06,399
city council and the mayor. What they

3786
02:21:06,399 --> 02:21:08,960
saw at board meetings and throughout

3787
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:10,560
overall was just a lack of couple of

3788
02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:12,240
items on the board and they wanted this

3789
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:15,439
body to resolve it. However, there are

3790
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:17,920
methods and procedures in place for us

3791
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:20,479
to handle it accordingly. We don't want

3792
02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:22,800
to act prematurely and or set a

3793
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,200
precedent that makes matters worse. So,

3794
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:27,760
here we are tonight. A couple of things

3795
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,840
to the board that I will just suggest

3796
02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:32,000
because of different little hiccups and

3797
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:33,359
there's always room for improvement or

3798
02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:35,840
enhancement is a stud our study sessions

3799
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:38,640
for Robert's rules of order. Uh it opens

3800
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:41,680
meetings act. Um make sure that

3801
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:43,040
everybody's on the same page when it

3802
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:45,520
comes to professional courtesy.

3803
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:47,439
centralize who the meeting notices go

3804
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:50,319
through or are dispersed from. Um, and

3805
02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:51,920
then Zoom talked about earlier with the

3806
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:55,120
personal meeting items. And then also a

3807
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:56,960
couple of questions just to think about

3808
02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:59,040
is to relieve the tensions that are

3809
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:02,560
there. We keep hearing them over and we know there's different

3810
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:04,800
things going back and forth is what does

3811
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:06,560
the board consider as a common courtesy

3812
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:10,319
thing to do regarding the hiring of the

3813
02:22:10,319 --> 02:22:12,399
permanent ED?

3814
02:22:12,399 --> 02:22:15,600
And finally, the assistant um or I'm

3815
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:18,240
sorry, the ED position. What is the

3816
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:20,880
Russian hiring a permanent ED? What do

3817
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:22,720
you envision if you pause on this

3818
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:25,200
process? What do you envision if you

3819
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:28,160
move forward? I ask these questions

3820
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:32,000
because a few things can happen.

3821
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,000
If the commission doesn't respond to the

3822
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:37,600
will of the people, it can be hurtful.

3823
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:40,080
If we were to replace the board or some

3824
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:42,319
members, the new board may come in and

3825
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:44,960
hire or fire an ED and put IHC in

3826
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:47,120
entirely total different position or

3827
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:49,840
direction than what we even desire or we

3828
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:51,680
can think of. then it could be a trickle

3829
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:55,040
down effect on not only the AED but the

3830
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:57,200
employees and then the residents and

3831
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:58,960
then we'll find ourselves back in a full

3832
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:01,520
360 a year later as you all heard the

3833
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:03,439
mayor and other um former elected

3834
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:05,040
officials and current elected officials

3835
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:08,240
talk about uh the amount of different

3836
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:09,760
executive directors that we've been

3837
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:11,520
through.

3838
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:13,280
So I know everyone is here to serve and

3839
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,040
the residents of to serve the residents

3840
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:17,680
of Instster and Inster Housing. So that

3841
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:20,160
is the action I believe that needs to be

3842
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:22,319
acted upon and taken into major

3843
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:23,840
considerations.

3844
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:27,520
Feelings, titles, ranks and any level of

3845
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:30,800
entitlement needs to be eliminated.

3846
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:33,920
So there is absolute clarity and this

3847
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:37,280
situation can move forward positive.

3848
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:38,960
The mayor stressed out. He's already

3849
02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:41,760
lost all his hair

3850
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:43,920
>> and therefore we need to make sure we

3851
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,080
can do everything in our power to move

3852
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:47,359
forward.

3853
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:48,560
>> All right. Thank you.

3854
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:50,479
>> May I say something? Mr. Mayor,

3855
02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:52,319
>> you need to say something.

3856
02:23:52,319 --> 02:23:54,080
>> Did you have comments?

3857
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,319
>> Anybody down there?

3858
02:23:56,319 --> 02:24:01,990
>> Just one last thing. I guess um

3859
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:04,720
I guess the the problem that I'm having

3860
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:07,439
is that you have someone who was

3861
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:11,760
qualified and um I understand what she

3862
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:14,080
did uh when she made the mistake of

3863
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:16,640
resigning or saying that she didn't want

3864
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:18,479
the position.

3865
02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:20,800
Um, I think things can happen because

3866
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:23,680
getting uh this this arena that we have

3867
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:26,880
here, people can attack your character

3868
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:29,200
and that makes you

3869
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:31,520
um angry.

3870
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:34,720
>> It does and you do crazy things. The

3871
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:38,800
thing that she said that I liked was

3872
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:41,200
that she

3873
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:43,200
wanted to serve the people. And that's

3874
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:45,359
what this is about. That's what we're

3875
02:24:45,359 --> 02:24:48,800
about. Even though we can't we have

3876
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:52,399
limited we're limited in what we can do.

3877
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:55,359
We're the middle person. So because you

3878
02:24:55,359 --> 02:24:57,280
get federal money, we don't need the

3879
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:01,439
feds out here. We don't.

3880
02:25:01,439 --> 02:25:04,640
>> And and another thing is

3881
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:06,960
that

3882
02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:09,840
Miss Moore said made a comment that she

3883
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:12,160
liked it. Why did you do it? and she was

3884
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:15,520
willing to resend or take your

3885
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:18,000
resignation and just let you come back

3886
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:20,080
and interview

3887
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:23,520
if you had this discussion. So that

3888
02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:27,200
means and to me if you could say that

3889
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:29,520
now I don't understand why you can't

3890
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:33,359
just let her compete or interview for

3891
02:25:33,359 --> 02:25:36,160
the position. I think what we all want

3892
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,000
to do is be on one accord. Easter

3893
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,520
already gets enough negative press.

3894
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:45,200
It's on the news again today and we need

3895
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:48,640
to come together as one. We really do.

3896
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:50,240
Um

3897
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:53,200
but I I still want you to know that even

3898
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,520
if they don't, you still follow your

3899
02:25:55,520 --> 02:25:57,040
heart.

3900
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:59,200
Um I've been through a lot of things.

3901
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:01,200
Said I would never sit back in this

3902
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:03,680
seat. Never.

3903
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:05,920
But there were people and that man

3904
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:07,280
sitting up there in front with the

3905
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:09,359
glasses and the bald head

3906
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:11,920
>> that pushed me

3907
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:14,479
back because he said, "People need you."

3908
02:26:14,479 --> 02:26:18,560
And we do. We need each other because we we

3909
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:21,520
fall short sometime. But I'm hoping that

3910
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:23,280
this could be worked out. And I think

3911
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:27,200
that it could. I really do. So, I just

3912
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:30,800
want us to kind of come together and

3913
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:32,880
maybe you guys can talk with her and

3914
02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:37,040
come to an agreement, but um let's just

3915
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,200
kind of settle it and because we don't

3916
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:42,160
need anything else negative in housing.

3917
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,880
We need housing. She's done a great job.

3918
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:47,840
She she brought you to a higher score

3919
02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:50,319
and you you you said that she worked and

3920
02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:54,080
you're not going to get good people that work. you can hire some new people,

3921
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:55,520
but you got somebody already

3922
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:57,040
experienced.

3923
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:01,680
So, um I feel that if you just work with

3924
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:03,920
them and you have to put the feelings

3925
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:07,520
aside and do whatever gift God gives you

3926
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:09,920
to do and that's to help people and

3927
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:12,000
that's what we're here for. So, I'm

3928
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,319
hoping that we come to one to an

3929
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:18,000
agreement and then we'll all be happy

3930
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:23,120
people. That's what they say. So, um,

3931
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:25,520
if you guys can just kind of get

3932
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:28,479
together and talk it out and if she's

3933
02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:31,920
the best one for the

3934
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,840
position,

3935
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:37,280
you reconsider and let her do her gift

3936
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:39,359
because it is a gift for all of us to

3937
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:41,439
work with people and we're trying to

3938
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:43,439
keep people in Ingster because in a

3939
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,760
couple years we gonna have a census and

3940
02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:48,479
there's our money again. So we need to

3941
02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:51,200
work on one accord to make Inkster a

3942
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:53,200
better place and and the personal

3943
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:55,200
things. Yeah, we get mad. I get I was

3944
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,240
mad, but

3945
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:00,319
sometimes you just have to overlook that

3946
02:28:00,319 --> 02:28:03,120
and do your gift. So that's all I had to

3947
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:07,133
say.

3948
02:28:07,143 --> 02:28:10,550
[applause]

3949
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:12,319
» Okay, go ahead.

3950
02:28:12,319 --> 02:28:14,560
>> I'll be quick. I just want to say one of

3951
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:17,040
the hardest commitments and uh things

3952
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:18,960
that's even harder to do is to change

3953
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:22,319
the culture in anything. And I believe

3954
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:23,920
sitting here all the things people have

3955
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:26,800
had to say about you. Your scores is up.

3956
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:29,040
People want to come to work. People are

3957
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:31,280
excited to be there. They work extra

3958
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:33,520
work overtime. That all is about

3959
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:34,800
changing the culture and you should be

3960
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:38,240
commended for that. Right.

3961
02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:41,120
And [applause] like commissioner said, I

3962
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:42,240
believe it's time for the people just

3963
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:44,319
put their feelings aside and just do

3964
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:46,000
what's best for the agency and most

3965
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:55,349
importantly the residents. And that's all I say. [applause]

3966
02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:57,280
» Um I just want to ditto what my

3967
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,840
counterpart said and the board. You all

3968
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,000
do have the authority to be able to give

3969
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:07,280
her an opportunity to at least have an interview. Um, also I want to say

3970
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:09,760
that for a person, a leader to have your

3971
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:12,319
staff behind you like this, people don't

3972
02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:13,920
leave jobs because of the salary,

3973
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:15,760
because of the pay, even if they're

3974
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,760
getting wonderful pay, they leave jobs

3975
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:19,680
because of bad leadership.

3976
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:22,319
>> And so therefore, if you have somebody

3977
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:24,800
who has this type of leadership, y'all,

3978
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:27,040
I mean, this is phenomenal to me. I I

3979
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:29,439
have I've been in HR. I have not seen

3980
02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:32,319
this in years. Um, so this is like

3981
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:34,640
refreshing, honestly. And I think you

3982
02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:38,800
all need to take a look at that really hard. I know the residents had

3983
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:40,720
some um some things that they had to

3984
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:43,040
say. Give a person the opportunity to at

3985
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,439
least fix the problems um and at least

3986
02:29:45,439 --> 02:29:49,323
come in and be able to do that. So those

3987
02:29:49,323 --> 02:29:53,510
[applause]

3988
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:55,120
» I'm gonna wrap this up for at least for

3989
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:58,399
the council. Um I hire and fire people

3990
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:00,399
all the time. When I look at our

3991
02:30:00,399 --> 02:30:02,319
organization, our small city, I have to

3992
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,479
take in consideration not only who's

3993
02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:07,280
best for the job, who's going to stay.

3994
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:09,520
Um because we are a small city, we don't

3995
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:11,520
pay like city Detroit, Grand Rapids,

3996
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:13,680
Lancing. So, you got to find that right

3997
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:16,560
fit. Who's going who cares about our

3998
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:18,160
community? Who's committed to the people

3999
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:21,280
who are here? Who's likely to stay? And

4000
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:23,040
that's how I approach that's one of the

4001
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:25,120
things I take into consideration. We

4002
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:26,880
need stability in Instster housing. the

4003
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:29,040
last five or six directors, they all

4004
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:31,840
been hired from outside except for one.

4005
02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:33,520
Um, and I think that was the last

4006
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:36,080
director who got it. She was the deputy.

4007
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:37,600
I think everybody else, we went out and

4008
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,200
I wasn't I mean, I wasn't part of it,

4009
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:42,319
but I was here at the time and they

4010
02:30:42,319 --> 02:30:44,160
didn't stay a long time. That's all I'm

4011
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:46,000
going to say. We all were here. Miss M

4012
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:48,319
been here from day one. Um, they just

4013
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:49,920
didn't stay a long time. So, that's why

4014
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:51,760
I get nervous when we're talking about

4015
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:54,479
outside people. Um because they usually

4016
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:57,040
use us as a stepping stone and I think a

4017
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:58,800
few of them have and good for them. I'm

4018
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:00,800
not mad at them. But we have to be

4019
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:03,439
discerning when we choose people who

4020
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:06,319
cares about us and if something is

4021
02:31:06,319 --> 02:31:08,399
working, let's build on that and make

4022
02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:10,560
Instster housing better. And I'm not

4023
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:12,000
telling you what to do. I just hope the

4024
02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:14,960
commission goes quickly and makes some

4025
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:16,960
sort of decision so we can move this

4026
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:18,479
organization forward because I think

4027
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:20,479
everybody's in limbo now. I mean, I'm

4028
02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:22,640
looking at half the staff tonight. So,

4029
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:25,040
and I've heard enough from them, which

4030
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:27,280
like someone else said, this is amazing.

4031
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:30,240
I've never I've never fired or not hired

4032
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:31,840
somebody and had 15 people from

4033
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:33,600
organizations say, "Hey, you we should

4034
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:34,880
keep that." I've never I've never

4035
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:36,399
experienced that before because I'm not

4036
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,479
firing anybody who's good. But, you

4037
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:40,640
know, or not hiring someone, somebody's

4038
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:42,240
great, I want to hire them. But, it is

4039
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:44,240
something to say for your people who

4040
02:31:44,240 --> 02:31:46,640
work under you to have confidence in.

4041
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,000
And that kind of means something to me

4042
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:49,760
even though it's not my decision. But I

4043
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:51,040
trust the commission is going to do what

4044
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,000
they got to do um and do what's best for

4045
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:55,280
Insta Housing. I mean, that's why

4046
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:56,479
they're there. I mean, they're not

4047
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:57,600
getting paid for this. This is a

4048
02:31:57,600 --> 02:31:59,439
volunteer position. They're here because

4049
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:01,840
they care about Insta Housing, Instster

4050
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:03,840
residents. So, I trust that they're

4051
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:06,000
going to do make a good decision. So, I

4052
02:32:06,000 --> 02:32:08,800
just hope that comes soon um so we can

4053
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:11,840
move forward. Any of the commission any

4054
02:32:11,840 --> 02:32:14,240
commissioners like to speak?

4055
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:19,510
I think we'll we'll definitely

4056
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:24,150
» Did you just [laughter]

4057
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,840
Okay. All right. So, just for everybody

4058
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:32,240
um because I I' I've heard a lot and I

4059
02:32:32,240 --> 02:32:36,399
appreciate a lot of the point of

4060
02:32:36,399 --> 02:32:40,000
views. I truly um

4061
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:41,840
like I say I've been here for a while

4062
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:44,640
and everybody don't know the roles I

4063
02:32:44,640 --> 02:32:47,680
didn't stuff but since I've been there

4064
02:32:47,680 --> 02:32:49,280
and I mentioned it earlier culture build

4065
02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:50,640
has been like the number one thing for

4066
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:52,160
me because that's the thing that'll lift

4067
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:55,920
you through most things and

4068
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:58,160
with regard to why we are even in this

4069
02:32:58,160 --> 02:32:59,920
position and I've told the I've told the

4070
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:01,680
director this and I told her I'm always

4071
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:04,000
going to try and find the best person

4072
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:05,600
possible for the community that I live

4073
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:08,479
in. Right. I'm not about to isolate.

4074
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:09,840
Like I've seen the history of Instster

4075
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:12,960
housing and want, you know, and I want

4076
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:15,760
to make sure that we get because we

4077
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:17,280
deserve the best that we can get. We do

4078
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,920
a lot out here, right? So I want to make

4079
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:22,560
sure that when I go when we go out, we

4080
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,240
go out and try to find the most talented

4081
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,000
people available for where we are trying

4082
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,319
to go. Not so much where we are, but

4083
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:30,399
where we're trying to move forward,

4084
02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:32,960
right?

4085
02:33:32,960 --> 02:33:34,640
And just open because y'all my family,

4086
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:37,600
right? We most almost everybody. Yeah, I

4087
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,920
can't think of a person

4088
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,760
talking about what we doing as far as

4089
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:45,280
vision. The reason why I'm so hurt by

4090
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:47,120
this, right? Because it's like, okay,

4091
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:48,399
well, y'all should just give her the

4092
02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:53,439
interview, right? The problem is that we here now. See, like before it had

4093
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:55,760
been something. So now I'm saddened

4094
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:57,840
because instead of her being able to

4095
02:33:57,840 --> 02:33:59,439
stand on pure merit and the strength of

4096
02:33:59,439 --> 02:34:02,080
her character and her works, there's a

4097
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:03,920
pressure campaign up front.

4098
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:06,960
>> That's asking us to do something, right?

4099
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:08,880
That is a very large problem for us with

4100
02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:10,560
regard to president and issues going on

4101
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:12,240
in the future,

4102
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:17,840
>> right? That's a problem. If we can if if folks can come to us and say, "Hey,

4103
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:20,319
y'all need to give it to her in mass and

4104
02:34:20,319 --> 02:34:23,040
y'all going to do it." That puts us in a

4105
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,120
very bad spot with regard to future

4106
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:26,640
government

4107
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:31,200
legalities future and and and there's a there's a looming threat with

4108
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,359
regard to all of this. And I love y'all.

4109
02:34:33,359 --> 02:34:35,760
That's why I try to keep from breaking

4110
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:38,160
apart because this is a threat from an

4111
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:39,600
organization that I love and tried to

4112
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:41,120
help build and woke up and sleepless

4113
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:44,160
nights with regard to trying to build to

4114
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:46,720
like I my complaints go up. I can't tell

4115
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:49,359
y'all my complaints, right? Complaints

4116
02:34:49,359 --> 02:34:52,560
go up, right? So

4117
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,560
I I can't go that way with it. But now

4118
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:57,760
we here with people who I care about,

4119
02:34:57,760 --> 02:34:59,280
you know, looking down on me, telling me

4120
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:01,040
what I got to do, what my colleagues

4121
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:02,080
have to do with regard to our

4122
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:05,439
organization I'm in love with.

4123
02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:08,319
And I can't we can't go back, you know,

4124
02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:12,000
cuz we here now. I'm so sorry, y'all.

4125
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:15,200
So now I got to make this decision with

4126
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,080
my with my people bearing down on me who

4127
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:19,920
as as far as everything is concerned. I

4128
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:21,280
know we do things for residents. It's

4129
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:22,880
always been y'all my first customers. I

4130
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,000
want to make sure y'all families are

4131
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:25,840
doing well. Cuz if that's happening,

4132
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:27,200
y'all going to do well for our people.

4133
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:28,479
Y'all my first customers, y'all

4134
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:29,920
livelihoods, y'all happiness, y'all

4135
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:31,600
strength, y'all peace of mind. That's

4136
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:33,760
what I'm here for. To find great people

4137
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:34,880
who want to do great things in the town

4138
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:37,439
that I love.

4139
02:35:37,439 --> 02:35:39,040
and and now I got to come with a

4140
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,439
decision like this for you know and I

4141
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:42,880
just want y'all to understand the weight

4142
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:45,439
of this right because this this it's a

4143
02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:47,680
whole different situation that we in now

4144
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:49,520
and

4145
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:55,429
you know

4146
02:35:55,439 --> 02:36:00,240
so I'm going to do the best I can

4147
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:03,760
for my community. This is too good of an

4148
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:05,200
opportunity we didn't built and put

4149
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:06,960
oursel in to do great things for not

4150
02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:09,520
only us, y'all families growth. We in a

4151
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:10,800
position now where we can grow big

4152
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:12,720
enough where all y'all got director low

4153
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:16,399
jobs, subj jobs, everybody. I Jala Love,

4154
02:36:16,399 --> 02:36:20,720
she is amazing, right? My job is to make

4155
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:22,800
sure the organization grows so that you

4156
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:24,960
a director over on that side of town. We

4157
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:27,200
director, she over there, a man of

4158
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:28,319
director over there. They running

4159
02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:30,399
finance for three organizations. It's a

4160
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:32,160
bigger thought process. is not we big

4161
02:36:32,160 --> 02:36:33,520
enough. We strong enough. I'm telling

4162
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:38,080
you, we're the fourth largest housing authority in the region. It's

4163
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:41,120
Flint, Detroit, Grand Rapids, and

4164
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:45,110
Instra, Michigan.

4165
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:46,640
» We got too good of an opportunity to be

4166
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,479
bigger than we are. And for us to be

4167
02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:53,520
here, sid track users. So,

4168
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:54,960
God bless y'all. It's It's going to be

4169
02:36:54,960 --> 02:36:58,800
hard now. I love y'all so much. Sorry.

4170
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:02,230
Any

4171
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:02,800
other question?

4172
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,800
>> In fact, I'm just gonna close it out.

4173
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:09,680
>> It's very It's a very difficult uh

4174
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:12,800
position you got us all in. Very

4175
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:15,280
difficult.

4176
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:17,359
We've never had a problem with Miss

4177
02:37:17,359 --> 02:37:19,359
Well,

4178
02:37:19,359 --> 02:37:23,439
but in her feeling, she felt we had a

4179
02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:25,760
problem.

4180
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:29,600
Now, I don't think like you younger

4181
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:33,359
people think. So, I'm like, what's going

4182
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:35,680
on?

4183
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:39,830
And here we are.

4184
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:43,040
But I hate being threatened.

4185
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:47,040
And that's where I had to draw the line.

4186
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:49,840
You don't threaten me and tell me I

4187
02:37:49,840 --> 02:37:52,960
better hire somebody. And that's where

4188
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:57,200
I'm at. So, I'm done. Any

4189
02:37:57,200 --> 02:38:00,080
other commissioners like to speak?

4190
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:03,120
>> I'd like to say something. Um, through

4191
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:06,080
this whole process of of gathering the

4192
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:08,080
information from third party, everybody

4193
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:10,399
knew that that was coming. Um, we want

4194
02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:14,000
to say that I stopped coming in. I was

4195
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:18,560
actually acting as vice chair. I cannot

4196
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:20,640
I was doing they didn't understand. They

4197
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:22,399
kept saying I'm in my feelings. I'm not

4198
02:38:22,399 --> 02:38:24,560
in my feelings, but I have to do with

4199
02:38:24,560 --> 02:38:26,080
the vice chair. He's giving me

4200
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:28,000
information from where he's at and I

4201
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:29,920
have to follow that information that

4202
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:30,960
he's given. You

4203
02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:32,000
>> talking about the chair?

4204
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:33,680
>> Yes. You know, and it's like it was

4205
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:35,840
never I was never in my feelings about

4206
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,240
anything. And that's the problem that I

4207
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:41,680
have. I've I've always been

4208
02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:44,399
racist. I've never been disrespectful to

4209
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:46,960
anybody that works in Inka House. They

4210
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:48,800
cannot say that I've been disrespectful

4211
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:50,479
to them. They cannot say I've been mean

4212
02:38:50,479 --> 02:38:52,560
to them. Yeah. I stopped coming in for a

4213
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:55,760
while because I did tell um Mayor Pro

4214
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:58,880
Tim Chisum that um you guys didn't give

4215
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:01,439
me the respect that I deserved as me

4216
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,080
being vice chair. You did not. And

4217
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:06,240
that's the truth. But I never I mean it

4218
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:08,399
wasn't about feelings because I knew I

4219
02:39:08,399 --> 02:39:11,760
was here to do a job for the community

4220
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:14,240
for my residents. And that's where

4221
02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:18,160
Commissioner Miller said that you guys are a part of me. But y'all,

4222
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:21,200
second, residents are my my main

4223
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:23,680
concern. Always. They're going to always

4224
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:26,000
be my main concern. Always. It has

4225
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:27,760
nothing to do it has a lot to do with

4226
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:30,960
one because I live there and I see a lot

4227
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:34,399
of stuff. I don't I don't get that

4228
02:39:34,399 --> 02:39:38,000
information out sometimes. But I'm there

4229
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:41,520
for the resident, point blank. And I and

4230
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:43,280
I'm there for you guys. I' If any of

4231
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:45,200
y'all ever ask me to do anything, I have

4232
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:46,800
always done it. I've never questioned

4233
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:48,720
it. So for you to say I was in my

4234
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:51,040
feelings and I was being disrespectful.

4235
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:52,160
If you thought I was being

4236
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:54,240
disrespectful, you should have told me

4237
02:39:54,240 --> 02:39:56,640
because I'mma tell you guys, you know,

4238
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:59,840
point blank.

4239
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:01,439
That's it.

4240
02:40:01,439 --> 02:40:03,760
>> Mr. Thomas.

4241
02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:05,840
>> I say something

4242
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,880
out of time. [laughter]

4243
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:10,880
>> Oh, good evening. I just

4244
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:12,479
>> I got to go out of town.

4245
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:14,880
>> Stressing me out. Um, I'll just say this

4246
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:17,680
to everybody. Um,

4247
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,200
I believe everybody had the best

4248
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:22,000
interest of the agency and we got to

4249
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:23,840
make the best decision for the agency at

4250
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:26,000
the end of the day.

4251
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:27,680
I think we had to talk and I discuss

4252
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:29,040
everybody get everything out the

4253
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:30,560
feelings out the way. It's what's in the

4254
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:34,560
best interest of the agency. Um,

4255
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:36,960
brother because y'all not able to be

4256
02:40:36,960 --> 02:40:38,479
inside

4257
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:40,560
the closed meetings. Y'all don't know

4258
02:40:40,560 --> 02:40:43,359
the support that she have.

4259
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:45,520
Y'all don't know the direction we've

4260
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:48,240
been trying to push it to make things

4261
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:50,479
right.

4262
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:52,399
The decision have not been hasty because

4263
02:40:52,399 --> 02:40:54,080
if it was hasty, it would have been

4264
02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:57,680
another ED already. Trust me,

4265
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:00,000
it's been great push back to give her

4266
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:01,680
the opportunity because she have been a

4267
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,000
walking Miss Wales has been a walking

4268
02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:06,319
resume for us and she have done a great

4269
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:06,720
job.

4270
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:07,680
>> Amen.

4271
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,520
>> And you can't take that away from her.

4272
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:10,960
Yes. Some people may say, well, she

4273
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:12,800
don't have a lot of experience. Well,

4274
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:14,160
I've seen a lot of people come in

4275
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:15,439
situations, have all the experience in

4276
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:18,640
the world and fumble the ball.

4277
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:20,160
You seen people come in different

4278
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:22,399
cultures because if you don't know Insta

4279
02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:25,040
culture, you going to fumble the ball.

4280
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:25,840
>> Period.

4281
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,439
>> I don't care who you is.

4282
02:41:27,439 --> 02:41:29,200
>> You have all the education experience in

4283
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:30,880
the world.

4284
02:41:30,880 --> 02:41:33,439
So you know we got a decision to make

4285
02:41:33,439 --> 02:41:34,800
and I believe the decision gonna be in

4286
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:36,720
the best interest of the residents and

4287
02:41:36,720 --> 02:41:38,880
the agents because we all know what's

4288
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:41,040
the plans and what we've been working on

4289
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:43,680
for the last three years. The challenges

4290
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:46,640
we have had with other EDS people

4291
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:49,040
leaving and you know you always have to

4292
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:51,920
question this when somebody want to work

4293
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:54,399
in any agency. Why you leaving the

4294
02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:55,920
previous agency?

4295
02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:57,520
>> That's the one thing I always question I

4296
02:41:57,520 --> 02:41:58,720
always question. Why you leaving that

4297
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:01,439
agency if you that great? Cuz you ain't

4298
02:42:01,439 --> 02:42:05,280
getting a lot of money here. Come to you

4299
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:07,200
ain't getting a lot of money. Hood ain't

4300
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:08,880
sitting down a lot of money to do this

4301
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:10,720
work. It's not coming.

4302
02:42:10,720 --> 02:42:12,880
>> So people who do this work and stay with

4303
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:14,800
Inkston through our difficult times have

4304
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:17,520
been people who genuinely love the

4305
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:20,240
community, love the work we doing. And

4306
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:21,600
you know at the end of the day, the best

4307
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:24,319
decision going to be made

4308
02:42:24,319 --> 02:42:26,000
because as if you know me, you know I

4309
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:28,160
don't mind cussing people out.

4310
02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:30,960
cuz I'm unapologetic a black man and I

4311
02:42:30,960 --> 02:42:34,160
don't bow to nobody and if people wrong

4312
02:42:34,160 --> 02:42:36,640
they be told about they

4313
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:39,120
mean everybody in this room I will tell

4314
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:41,760
you about yourself

4315
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:43,600
and that go to every commissioner we

4316
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:45,600
going to make the best decision for at

4317
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:48,560
the end of the day

4318
02:42:48,560 --> 02:42:50,319
thank y'all very much for everybody

4319
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:55,990
thank the city councly

4320
02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:57,600
move to second discussion All those in

4321
02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:59,040
favor say I. I.

4322
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:00,800
>> Both say nay.

4323
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:06,309
>> Mean 8:45

4324
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:13,663
took ad.

4325
02:43:13,673 --> 02:43:15,692
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