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Good afternoon. Thank you for coming. We got a full house today. Today is April 25th, 2023 and this is our regular 1 p.m. business meeting for the BOCC.

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At this time, I'm going to ask Commissioner Holly Davis to lead us in the invocation and fill Watson, I believe.

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did I see Phil I feel you're going to lead us in the pledge of

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legions and if you're able and you're willing please stand and join us.

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Thank you

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dear Heavenly Father today we give special thanks to our citrus county

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animal staff volunteers and the generous donors as we appear to be on the

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precipice of finally getting us a new animal shelter to honor our staff and all

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of your creatures.

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We would like to ask for you to help bless our wisdom today,

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that we may make decisions for the benefit of this community,

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and for all of us, staff, elected citizens,

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for all of us to work together to create a harmonious society

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for the benefit of us all.

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Please look out for our first responders,

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most especially in this community as we're looking at yet more mental health and

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anger issues that seem to be spilling over into our daily lives.

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Thank you for this glorious day and our earthly paradise in Jesus' name, Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the very public, which

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expands on nation, on their God, in the visible liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Mr. Watson, for your service.

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At this time, Madam Deputy Clerk, if you would do the rule call, this is a regular meeting of

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the Citrus County Board of County Commissioners, this 20th day of April, 2023, and

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attendance or chair, would they save off first by

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chair, Halle Davis, second by chair, Rebecca Bays,

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Commissioner Diana Fenigan, County Administrator,

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Steve Howard, and County Attorney, didn't he save time in life?

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Thank you.

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Mr. Howard, before we get a motion for the approval of the agenda,

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is there any additions or deletions?

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There are E13, if we could please pull that,

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forward to the Department of Transportation, section 53, 11 rural area funding. Also, there's

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additional item into attendance at NACO conference. Also, just the additional information

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was for H6, the MPO PowerPoint presentation was updated. That's all, please.

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So, E-13N into NIH-6.

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And then I would like to move E-2.

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Did you already say that before a regular business please, so that the architect and the engineer go on their way?

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That'd be great.

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Thank you.

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So, board, I'm looking for approval of the Agenda with these additions and lesions.

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Mature.

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Yes, damn.

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Did you say E-13 is pulled?

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E-13 is pulled.

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Okay. Motion to approve the agenda with polling E13 edition of N6, H6 and moving E2 as soon as possible.

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N2, N2, H6.

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I said, add N2, H6 and move E2 to as early as possible.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Very good.

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I also received additional information for O1.

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It also said, Neko, is that a different item?

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Oh, no, you're right. Good catch. Yes. Oh, one in the addition of a one.

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Amy, we very much appreciate you. And the addition of a one.

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Thank you. I'm looking for a second. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Davis.

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A second by Commissioner Davis.

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Bays. Is there any additional comments from the board? All in favor say aye. Aye.

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post-ainay for zero. And as you noticed, usually four of us up here, Commissioner Canard

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was not able to attend. Okay, so consent agenda, board, what is your wishes?

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Manager? Yes, Pam. I think a good idea for someone to hold out B-15. I will not be voting on B-15.

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Good. Madam chair.

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Hold for discussion.

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Motion to approve B1, 3B14.

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Second.

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Thank you. I have a motion by Commissioner Davis.

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Second by Commissioner Finnigan.

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For B1 through B14.

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Is there any public comment?

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On the consent agenda?

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On the consent agenda?

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Seeing none, is there any further board comment?

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All in favor, say aye.

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Opposed, say nay.

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That passes 4-0.

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B-15.

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Set a public hearing for a workshop.

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On SV22-022, still well for finnigan vacate roadways.

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Set hearing A and B.

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The public hearing will be May 23,

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23 at 1 30 p.m. And I'm looking for a motion to approve measure. Thank you. Motion from Commissioner

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Bayes to approve public hearing. Second by Commissioner Davis. Is there any further board comment?

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Is there any public comment? Seeing none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed say nay.

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we have a 301 recused. Thank you very much. Proclamations. See, see, see, one through, see, four, four.

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Madam Chair, Commissioner of Privacy, one through four.

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Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Davis. I heard Commissioner Bays first.

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is there any board discussion about the proclamations? All in favour say aye. Aye. Opposed

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say nay. That passes four zero. If you'd like to join me down front please.

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Could those

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people representing the risk manager of the year award please come forward?

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Just real

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quick.

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I want to say aye represent our bird insurance which you guys have your surplus insurance with

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Mary and I work very closely together.

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We are so honored to be able to work with Mary.

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She does such a great job.

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She's actually even been a mentor to a couple

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of our newer city risk managers.

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And I appreciate her help very much.

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I have a very large territory.

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And to be able to work with somebody that is so,

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You know, I have so much control over her job, which is very difficult.

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People really don't understand it, and she manages the claims beautifully.

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We never have to step in for anything, so I am very pleased to award you with this because

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it is my pleasure and preferred pleasure to work with you.

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You've done a fantastic job.

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I just wanted to say one thing, if you don't mind.

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I wanted to thank Pam so much for your kind words.

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I have to write this because I'm nervous.

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I truly appreciate the honor and I'm very humbled and appreciative of this award for the job that I enjoy doing each day.

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I am lucky to work with incredible people such as Pam Hancock and Paul Dawson who are our insurance companies.

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My boss is Erin and Barbara from Management and Budget, but most especially for Jennifer Palmer, who's my risk coordinator, who works hard each day and supports me.

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I'm truly blessed to work with great people.

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Thank you for coming.

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Mr. Howard and Ms. Lynn for having me today.

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So, Mary also does a great job.

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We award our cities for doing training or whatever we have a reimbursement fund and every year

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Mary puts it in, as she receives the $5,000 back to the county, so we are so proud to be able

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to support you guys with free and burst of your funds.

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With those individuals representing Citrus County

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Trash to Treasure, Art Expo, please come forward.

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For as each year, more than 230 million tons of solid waste

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go into the nation's landfills and waste to energy facilities

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and for as an order to focus the attention of our students, employees

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and the local community on the importance of recycling.

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University of Florida, IFA's Extension Citrus County, and conjunction with Citrus County

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Solid Waste Management, is sponsoring the third annual Citrus County Trash to Treasurer

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Recycling Art Contest for Citrus County Mill school students, high school students, and adults,

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and whereas artwork must have an environmental theme and be comprised of at least 70% use

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or recycled materials. The artwork will encourage recycling and be on display from April 17th

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to April 28th at the Citrus County Courthouse. That's here in Inverness until being moved to

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the Lecanto Government Complex for the UF-IVAS Extension Citrus County Earth Day Celebration

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on Saturday, April 29th and whereas winning artists will receive prize money from generous

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sponsor donations, a total of $555 in cash prizes will be awarded to those entries that show the

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most created creative expression and innovation in their use of recycled materials and whereas it is

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I hope of the exhibition sponsors that recycling awareness shall be significantly increased by students and employees, as well as the community through the display of thought-provoking artwork.

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Now, therefore, the Board of Citrus County, the Board of County Commissioners of Citrus County, does hereby recognize and encourage participation in the Citrus County trash to treasure art exhibition.

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Welcome's the special showing of the entries and commends the sponsors for promoting this

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extraordinary project in our local community.

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Executed this 25th day of April 2023.

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So that art displays are out front in the lobby area.

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So if you can all go out there and vote for your favorite people's choice, we'd really appreciate it.

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Come on out to our Earth Day event on April 29th.

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It's at 10 o'clock from to want to clock at our extension office in Lecanto.

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We'll have a lot of vendors and food trucks and we'll just have a good time.

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So we'd like to see everyone out there.

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Well, those individuals representing

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fentanyl awareness day, please come forward.

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Whereas citrus county florida supports policies

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of the Florida Department of Health

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to highlight the dangers of fentanyl within our community.

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Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that is 100 times more

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potent than morphine.

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And, whereas fentanyl related complications

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are estimated to cost Floridian $6.4 billion

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from 2016 to 2018, fentanyl is being added to illicit drugs

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as well as counterfeit prescription drugs without the user's knowledge.

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And we're as fentanyl's equivalent to three grains of salt can kill.

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In 2022, 71 citrus county residents died of substance overdose,

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with 71% of those deaths attributed to fentanyl.

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And we're as the state of Florida, including citrus county,

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is responding to an increase in fentanyl overdoses.

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The Florida Department of Health in citrus county, in partnership with the county,

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has assembled the task force and developed a work plan

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address drug use in addiction within our community. Partners and community members can work together

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to ensure that Narcan, a life-saving medication that can prevent overdose deaths, is available

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to all. Now, therefore, the Board of County Commissioners of Citrus County, Florida,

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does hereby proclaim May 9, 2023 as fentanyl awareness day, and encourages all government entities,

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businesses, students, parents, and residents within the county to become aware of the dangers of

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and the signs of an opioid overdose.

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Executed this 25th day of April, 2023.

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Thank you, Commissioners, for your proclamation.

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It's less than manufactured fentanyl and its dangers,

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while well-documented by health professionals

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and law enforcement are largely unknown to the general population

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and even more so to those most vulnerable populations

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are youth and young adults.

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According to the CDC, fentanyl is involved

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in more deaths of Americans under 50

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Then any other cause of death, including heart disease, cancer, and all other accidents.

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This is a national public health crisis.

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People are ingesting illicitly manufactured fentanyl without knowing it and dying at alarming rates as a result.

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Fetanyl is very cheap and extremely addictive.

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Drug dealers are dangerously mixing illicit manufactured fentanyl with and disguising it as other common drugs like oxy,

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Percocet and Xanix to increase profits and as little as two milligrams of fentanyl, which is about two

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grains of sand, can kill a person. To percept it, the practice of cutting drugs with fentanyl is

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relatively new, so public awareness is low.

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What can you do to help? Learn the facts and start the

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conversation. If you are a parent, talk to your kids, if you are an educator, talk to your

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students, don't stick them by as drug use, be prepared.

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Know the signs of an overdose, carry in our can.

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Please spread the word, thank you.

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Thank you.

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We have some quite a few times certains today, so I'm going to go ahead and open it to the

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public, but I will be stopping at 130, so if you want to get in line and get in the queue,

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Just to remind our y'all our old pros at this, you get three minutes to speak, if you're registered as a group, you'll have five minutes, all comments are directed to the chairman.

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Please state your name and your address for the record.

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Thank you.

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My name is Carolyn and Dorati.

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This is very difficult.

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It's okay. Take your time.

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Your fine.

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Take the time.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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my child died of a drug I've ever died of. I'm so sorry.

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But I want you to go

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to try

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positive health person.

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He on the way to have computers in France for ten years.

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His father

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died of a treatment post and he was there every night with me to make sure I slept so he would take care of his

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He inherited heap of chromatosis, and he had four hours.

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When he lost his business, because of his illness, he had no insurance.

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He had no way to pay for anything.

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And he owed the hospital money, so he wouldn't go there.

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So he came to me one day because he had been given meth and Nazi code of, from the doctors

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for his illness, he went to the cancer center, and they did flip on, I mean, to hope that

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they human cryptos and he came to me one day, he came to me one day and he said, mom,

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I'm taking meth because that's what the doctor's gave me and maybe it'll help my pain.

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Well, I became addicted to the meth and they came to my door one day and I would take him food.

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I would help phase bills, even on my sister's security.

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And they came to my door of one day and said,

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we found your son, dead, New York.

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In his yard.

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And I went there.

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And I, oh my son, in a body bag.

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And I told him how much I loved

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when the officer responded. He had on flip-flops a pair of shorts, and he had only a

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support being the day he didn't need to hold her knees.

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sing on the porch.

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He was taken to the medical exam at the office, and I had

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that day I was in the hospital for a week. The coroner didn't know where I was. The funeral

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didn't know where I was. So they just shipped my son's body to the morgue and the funeral.

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I just felt like even the coroner didn't have the call my son died because the

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autism of math and drug overdose is so bad, but I'm realize that these people are loved,

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that these people need help, and it's been, I'm sorry, it's up to you to do something

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help not just find a cure but of the end cause a lot of these people don't choose to be

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where they're at and they don't choose to have the condition that they have and they need help

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I thought about going into the streets and telling them about my pain and what it does to the families

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I lost my husband, I lost my oldest son in a fire, in her nando,

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sorry, I don't want to be one left.

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So please help them.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your story.

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Thank you.

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It's very difficult.

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Well, your family should be proud of you.

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Who represented them well.

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I hope it helps one person to overcome the badminton.

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Thank you.

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I don't know if you want to fall at. I'm sorry Mr. Sharpe.

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All right.

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Wallace.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is Nathan Sharpe.

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I've been Christopher.

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Commissioners last Wednesday.

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I had the privilege of making my first trip to the state capital.

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During a legislative session,

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And I encourage the same folks that come to these meetings and speak every two weeks to do the exact same thing.

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Spend some time wandering the halls, meeting your legislators, seeing committees in action, and watching the Florida base,

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is definitely an eye-opening experience.

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As the Super Majority in Tallahassee continues to erode home-roll, we can no longer afford to ignore what happens in Tallahassee,

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and the consequences of whom we send a representative.

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Today I want to provide an update on one of the bills I spoke about two weeks ago,

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and also talk about another preemption bill because it is the session of preemption.

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HB439, SB 1604, this is the land use and development regulation bill. It is on the second

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reading in both chambers. This is the bill that would prevent the county from denying a land use

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change for the sweetwater development in sugar mill because the infrastructure to support it doesn't exist.

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So let's take that in. Tallahassee is making it so you as a board won't be able to keep

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developments that our community doesn't want out.

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So they're taking that power away from you.

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The legislation was deemed, I'm sorry, the legislature has deemed that this was also

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the appropriate bill for the government to punish a business for speaking its mind.

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So it's all that certain have passed, unfortunately.

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HB-1515, SB-170, this is the local ordinance bill.

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It forces counties and cities to spend tax dollars to defend ordinances that address the

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needs of their communities, and pauses those audiences while the matters before court

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if they are challenged by a business entity. The bill also adds a requirement that a business

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impact assessment be added to certain types of audiences. This is potentially time-consuming

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and expensive for local governments that are already financially strapped in the middle of

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the resources. It could delay and impede the ability to respond to the needs of our citizens.

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The bill passed the Senate and is on the second reading calendar in the house. Last meeting

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was mentioned that finding a way to recharge residents when these bad bills were in process was

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important. For our county issued a press release in other communications to businesses and

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community leaders regarding the public construction bill. I'll send that out to everybody so they have

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a copy. But finding a way to work with the county administrator to do something like this before

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the next session will be beneficial. Thank you. Thank you sir. Next speaker please.

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My sympathies go out with this lady right here, I'm sorry for you, I really am.

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My name is Ray Kolowski,

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my address of phone number.

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What area do you live in?

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In Citrus County, in a county.

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Three, four, four, five, two.

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Thank you.

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I'm mainly here to talk about not having my...

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Taxpayer dollars going for sexualized tourism. I know that Ms. Davis has proposed this and I think it's

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very discriminatory against the people in Citrus County. We can advertise for voting, for hiking,

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fishing,

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but not for one particular group. I embrace everybody. I think do what they

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want to do, but don't force it on our community. We have a wonderful community here,

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their family oriented, God-loving people, and to promote something like this is going to

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be a detriment to the county. You see what happened to the Bush beer commercials. So let

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that sink in. Nobody wants to come in a situation like that. And that's all I have to say,

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God bless you all. May you make the right decision.

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Thank you, sir. Next speaker, actually, could you all know the cue that you're in? This

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will be our last speaker until our 130. So just know your position in line. Good afternoon,

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commissioners Sabrina Watson. I'll be speaking for the exceptional life project today so I'll take five minutes please in the spirit you have that on file. Yes, man. Okay. Thank you in the spirit of education

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I would like to read from the Constitution of the state of Florida today article two section eight talks about ethics and government

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Public offices a public trust the people have shall have the right to secure and sustain that trust against this

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Against abuse, to assure this right, any public officer employee who breaches the public trust for private gain and any person or entity,

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inducing such a breach shall be liable to the state for all financial benefits obtained by such actions.

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The matter of recovery, and additional damages may be provided by law.

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At the last Board of County Commissioners meeting, I spoke about the monkey business that, or the corporate welfare,

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some people call it for Monkey Island. During that time, Ms. Finnigan implied that I was telling

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tales of fiction. So I brought the complete information today so that everybody can see the clear

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tale. Let's start over here with Florida-limited liability company, Monkey Island Riverside LLC,

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whose manager is listed as Matthew Loman on sunbiz.org.

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That organization gave $350 in campaign donation money to Ms. Finnegan while she was running

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for office.

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And last meeting Ms. Finnegan, who did not recuse herself, voted to give Matthew Loman

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again, $98,000 under the name of the Historic Monkey Island Inc. as a nonprofit.

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She also mentioned that there was actually a plan in case that nonprofit were to be dissolved.

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I'd like to read everybody that plan.

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In the event Historic Monkey Island Inc. is dissolved or makes any conveyance of the Monkey

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Island property described above, the Monkey Island property shall

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revert to, and thereafter become fee-simple real estate, owned by

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Grand Tour Monkey Island Holdings LLC, its successors, and or assigns.

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So for the people who don't actually know what that means, that means that

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should they decide to dissolve in nonprofit after the county has given them

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$98,000 that mistaken voted on, that property wouldn't

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He'd go right back to, oh wait, Matthew Lohman, as Monkey Island Riverside LLC, and Commissioner

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Kanard in some emails indicated that people were talking about this and not giving the

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whole story.

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So I want to make sure everybody gets the whole story, including the part about the taxes, because

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yes, it is a bad tax, it is still a tax, at least months are coming from.

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But what people need to understand is that those taxes could be used for things other than corporate welfare.

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Such as, oh wait, I believe it was mentioned,

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shoring up shorelines.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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So at this time, sir, you'll be next in line.

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We're going to do our time-sertons.

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So we are going to jump to H1.

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Director Aurekhead, please come forward.

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Good

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afternoon.

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I'd like to introduce Taylor Cox from the Nest, the Nest.

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He has done a study of our transportation system that was the scope of work

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through the MPO.

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Good afternoon.

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As I've mentioned, I'm Taylor Cox,

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who has presented the conference of operations analysis

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with first citrus kind of transit, can we have a look at that?

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Just standing in front of it, I don't think you have to lean down just to be kind of in front of it.

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I'm going to go next.

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If you're not familiar with the COA, it's a short-term data-driven analysis,

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to improve transit over time.

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It looks like improvements to efficiency and effectiveness.

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As you can see, there's a few processes to go along with this.

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There's the goals and objectives.

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Marketing analysis, public outreach,

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to meet with the operators, and there's a lot of improvements

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that go involve this, which we'll talk about here shortly.

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And the goal of the COA, we've identified here,

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as a minimize impacts to existing ridership,

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increase operational efficiencies, preserve

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coverage, but re-line resources where,

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OK, go next, sort of there.

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So minimize impacts to existing ridership,

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increases operational efficiencies, preserve

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route coverage, our re-line resource

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with their negatively impacting ridership and transit, reduce route redundancy and better UIsV source

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elsewhere in the system. Streamline routes by removing a bunch of network overlap and we have

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potentially used on street bus stops. And last but not least, implement the new technology

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called Mobility on Demand, which I'll refer to as MOD throughout this project.

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Here's your current

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system, four routes, got her Nando, four city, Beverly Hills, and Chris

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River.

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And this I'll get more of the day to driven analysis based over time

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to transfer it out of it. We have this project we reviewed average daily

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ridership at the stop level for a weekdays. So this is a good idea of what stops

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of the highest number of ridership. We did this for 2019 for pre-COVID and 2022.

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The most important map is on your right and that's kind of small right there but

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identifies the stops with the on average zero boardings. Next. So, and this is the map of the

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2022 operation and the map on the right as you can see because it's a little more red. And

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this obviously identifies the stops that have on average zero boardings on regular basis. So,

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look at this to identify where stops need to be served as we make improvements to the system.

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And for the most part, in 2023, these may fluctuate a little bit, come back to normal, with more

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less season of your stops with the lowest number of ridership.

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This important component to our project, to look at operational analyses, is what we call

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latent demand or populations of the highest transit need.

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This includes your Google households, low income households, 65 in above age groups and

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15 to 24.

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These are most critical folks that need transit on a regular basis that don't necessarily

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have access to vehicle. Next, and we compiled this into a data component called a transit orientation

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index, and it provides a score to each one of these components, and these are areas that

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have the highest transit need, which we focus on heavily for the project.

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So kind of glanced

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go through quickly, it's our current route system, and some of the pros and cons we've identified

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and a fuel to base over our analyses, meeting with the drivers and the members of the public.

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So on the left, you're Beverly Hills and the right, you have your Chris River out.

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As you can see, they provide coverage, but they may under a lot, which is not necessarily

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the best way to effectively provide transit.

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So on the other thing, we look at, how many loops are being served, it those typically cut

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people off, and it kind of impacts on the right of ship.

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One thing I'd like to mention, it's going to difficult to see on the past few slides.

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on the Chris River route between the canto and the public on 44 there's on average zero

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boardings so that's that diagonal route you see on the zero what zero average daily

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boardings yeah so there's no people board in there next this is your

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floor city in Hernando routes is a nice stream mine routes which we like to see

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for transit purposes but fortunately there's significant overlap on you go

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So we like to look at this the way it preserves resources, but realign them to other more productive

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stops in the network.

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This is a component we use to identify immodisones, our mobility on demand, as I mentioned,

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and we take the pair of transit origin destination pairs and identify where they're going to

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more often.

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And it identifies areas that have the most origin destination pairs that help us identify

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ways to design the network.

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This on the right, you'll see me talk about this in a few moments.

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This is our Beverly Hills in Modizone.

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So for the project, the recommendations we propose, which I'll get to a little bit more,

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is the Streamline Cross County Connections on 44 to get away from some of that meandering

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in the loops.

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Streamline North South Connections on 44.

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Sorry, 41.

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Mobility on demand in Beverly Hills, Homassas and Citrus Springs, which has been identified in a few

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of your plans.

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And we think it would be beneficial.

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So we'll get that here shortly.

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I'll remove route redundancy and introduce bidirectional service to the areas of the highest

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ridership.

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And this is again based off all of our analyses, meeting with the people and the public, the

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operators, and reviewing past studies and some of our operational metrics.

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This is our recommended network.

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There's two streamlined routes, provide bidirectional service to all the highest ridership

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in the network, it provides plug-ins this next, but it provides coverage to most of the areas

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that have high latent demand, which are high as transit need, and it also provides

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two-inloaded options.

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This is your streamline cross-county connector.

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We can rename the convention when they implement this, but this is a bi-directional, very

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streamline route, and it provides connections to major development around the Walmart,

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areas in the Inverness and also provides a new service on Forest Drive which currently

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lacks services, multi-family housing there and yeah, but it's a very attractive network

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and it's much more streamlined what you have today.

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This is your Inverness and Forest City route, pretty much the exact same route you guys have

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today except it takes off that 44 and applies a 44 connection to the route I just showed

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you.

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Just the north-south streamlined connection provides coverage to all the major stops, provides new

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code, bidirectional service to old forest city road in the Forest City Public Library, as well as

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we've heard from the operators just north of the airport is the lack of service and that's

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and here it's going to have a high pocket of population, so we serve in that as well.

458
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This is your MOD option, Hernando, sorry, Homassassa, Beverly Hills, and Citroes Springs,

459
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,600
which is an area that lacks service,

460
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:24,320
and connections that are parts of the county.

461
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,480
This is an on-demand service that we're seeing a lot

462
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,520
happen throughout the country.

463
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,480
A lot of transit agencies have introduced this.

464
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:34,640
It's a cheaper pair of transit on regular basis.

465
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,680
Sounds like it would be operated in-house.

466
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,200
And yeah, it's a 15-minute service

467
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,600
that provides connections to folks

468
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,040
in the network and to the fixed rail.

469
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,720
So the benefits are streamlined by directional routes,

470
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:49,060
reduced number of transfers,

471
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:54,480
It retains your four vehicles and proves headway from 90 to 60 minutes as a huge improvement.

472
00:42:55,340 --> 00:43:04,340
Expans coverage from major chip generators, introduces an MOD options and extends this span from 520 to 630.

473
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:11,320
And introduces a Saturday service which is lacking right now, which is 9AM to 3PM that can be expanded or extracted.

474
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:17,280
Next, this is the most critical graphic you see here.

475
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:24,340
So the blue graphic on the left, the bars are your existing network of a six year period with inflation.

476
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,680
That's what it costs today.

477
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,760
The green is, or a six year period with the COA network.

478
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:32,480
Most important component is the right.

479
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:33,720
It's kind of hard to see where you are.

480
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:38,040
But the state and federal funds are in, and blue, sorry.

481
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:40,340
And then the local contributions and the orange.

482
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,960
You'll see the highest jump and contributions in 2025 and 2026.

483
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:52,100
But overall, the low contribution is significant less than to introduce all of this.

484
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,280
We would highly recommend this to be introduced all the ones, but it based off this

485
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,060
group of capacity.

486
00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:01,900
Overall, this is a very attractive network, and I think it would increase ridership.

487
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,540
So with that, I'll answer any questions, things you'll answer here as well, if she has any questions

488
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:06,880
to answer,

489
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,200
but hopefully you agree with some of these changes.

490
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,200
Thank you.

491
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,220
Board any discussion? Questions?

492
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:15,680
Commissioner Bays.

493
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:22,900
I love what you've presented, but I feel like maybe we need to take one step further.

494
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:40,920
I think maybe if we potentially work either sending a letter out to some of our employers, particularly more in the retail, fast food, to find out from the applicants, do they have transportation?

495
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:49,160
would transportation benefit them for a different bracket of hours, or we could actually maybe

496
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,580
work that even through our chamber network as well. But I think that would help us. I'm hearing

497
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:59,920
some of that. I've had people in floral city. They don't realize that they can't get a bus.

498
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:24,340
It's not necessarily on our route, which have to call schedule and appointment to get it. It may not be for those working hours, but I think this is another way that maybe we can help with getting people back into the workforce is providing this transportation, but we need to know who needs it and where it needs to go and what hours are best for them. So I think we just need to kind of hone in on that a little bit more.

499
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:29,360
Yes, so what's this kind of, I'm going to introduce some comment on that.

500
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,320
So we did a operational analysis as of the part of this,

501
00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:36,360
but we also looked at the on-demand component of that.

502
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,000
So we introduced some of the questions to writers.

503
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,660
As you hear me mentioned, also to the operators.

504
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:46,580
So if this gets implemented, there's going to be adjustments in the schedule.

505
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,280
I think there's some, yeah, there's definitely some leeway involved in that.

506
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,500
And I would encourage that once it gets it implanted to make sure that it's a component

507
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:57,760
to make it get addressed.

508
00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:04,040
And you can easily do it on a survey, be an app or anything like that.

509
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,720
And we've done that in the past on a few of our products.

510
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:08,260
So, there's an app for it?

511
00:46:08,420 --> 00:46:13,440
Yeah, we can introduce a survey monkey app that gets sent out to some of the employers, you

512
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,960
can be passed along to their managers and they can send it out to their employees or

513
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,060
could be posted through how we've done it with the transit agency

514
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:24,100
with on our online or even do it.

515
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,300
Another more advanced survey where we could go out and see

516
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,640
some of the folks at some major events or something like that.

517
00:46:30,340 --> 00:46:32,780
Yeah, I would highly recommend, as this is implemented,

518
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,020
definitely reach out to make sure the timeframes

519
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:38,480
are correct points of schedule and gets solidified.

520
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,120
So, I'm probably.

521
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:40,260
Thank you.

522
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,320
Thank you.

523
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,180
Commissioner Davis.

524
00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:44,240
I thought it was a great presentation.

525
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,980
I kind of nerded out over realigning everything

526
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:52,940
to be a lot more efficient. It was some really good minutes to pick you back on what Commissioner

527
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:58,400
Bay said. There's also been some discussions about making sure that our youth gets

528
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:05,260
were a pretty spread out county and we have 25-26% childhood poverty that our younger

529
00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:12,740
youth that are below working age have the ability to get to for example YMCA is in the center of

530
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:16,960
the county, the big one but then there's also one in Copeland Park and the Christopher and they're

531
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:24,040
one in Inverness. And so having a place where kids can go do something that's really fruitful

532
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,540
in their lives would keep them out of trouble and engaged and more likely to do well in

533
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:34,320
school. But then there's the big problem of the juniors and seniors in high school who are trying

534
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:42,160
to make money in, they don't have a car and all of that. So it gets difficult. And so I think that

535
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,940
that's a good thing for us to continue having this conversation. But this is a great start.

536
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:53,580
Yeah, and again, I think it provides significantly more coverage to what you are today if you hear me mentioned it's

537
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:56,220
Actually, I don't know if I 60

538
00:47:56,220 --> 00:48:04,000
It goes from 90 to 60 minute headways. Yes, but no breaks. So if you were to board a bus just for an example at

539
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:12,400
10 o'clock in the morning you have to wait 90 minutes. This is just repetitive. So it's a lot more improved more improved no work and then if

540
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,420
publishing us in an amount where it could be down to 30 minutes, then there's no changes

541
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:23,300
that need to be made to the service that would just be adding additional vehicles, but

542
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,080
that's later on down the road.

543
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,840
Thank you.

544
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Did you wish you're finnicking?

545
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,780
Efficiency is good.

546
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:30,140
Thank you.

547
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:31,600
Thank you.

548
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Everybody loves you.

549
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:33,720
Come on.

550
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:33,840
Come on.

551
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,480
Come on.

552
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,000
Come on.

553
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:48,560
Well, you have it eight, eight, 98, and that was 1989 was updated on the average weekday

554
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,000
warnings.

555
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:59,660
It's, it's time for the APC data for the average weekday data warnings between 2019 and 2022?

556
00:49:00,260 --> 00:49:00,560
Yes.

557
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:10,100
So, do you know what that total number is for people using the system?

558
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:16,040
I don't have a total number off top of my head, but I know it's increasing.

559
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,740
A lot of agencies will see around the network or around the country are starting to get

560
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:24,460
to that like 75% mark from pre-COVID.

561
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,200
However, with this, the change should increase that a lot, especially providing more coverage.

562
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:37,740
I'm not exactly sure how many of the zero boardings there are, stop-wise on the map, in relation

563
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:42,300
to the total boardings, so I can't 100% answer that question, but.

564
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,720
And then just for public, 75% of this is state and

565
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:52,920
been really funded and then it costs local county tax burden is 25% correct.

566
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,720
Correct. Okay.

567
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,320
And then the document will be published, so some of that ridership

568
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,460
information will be available in the documents just to

569
00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:04,920
include in here, I think. Thank you so much.

570
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:14,000
I just want to say I appreciate what the work that went into this, I know that you only touched on about less than half of this whole report.

571
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:22,020
So it is a very interesting report. I would encourage any of my fellow researchers or readers to dig into this.

572
00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:31,320
It's very helpful. I of course love it because with the traffic burden that we're feeling now with our found growth.

573
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,400
You know, if we could get more people writing buses, it's less vehicles on the road, less

574
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,160
chances of accidents, and like Commissioner Davis touched upon, you know, there's a lot

575
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:42,840
of children.

576
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:49,020
We're going to be opening up a lot of service industries in the center of the county and it

577
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:54,660
would be great if some of these children, these young adults, can get efficient ways

578
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:55,900
to and from work.

579
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,940
So I really appreciate it.

580
00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:01,020
I enjoyed reading the report and thank you for your time.

581
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:05,600
Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. There's any more questions for free and not, I appreciate you.

582
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:09,620
Give me a sign to present this today. Thank you so much. Thank you.

583
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:16,620
Okay. H2.

584
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:58,210
All right, this is an application for a street vacation. This is a request to vacate an alley in the

585
00:51:58,210 --> 00:52:04,070
unit. Homessastic unit number one. And this is a location that is on the southwest corner of

586
00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:09,710
of a road in U.S. 19, the east-west there that you're seeing that is an alley in the north

587
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:15,710
south that are drainage and utility easements. So this is what the alleys and easements look

588
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:21,890
like. They're very hard to see on site but they are there. This is a big part of the easement itself.

589
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:26,750
There are some drainage areas here and I'll show that in a moment. This is the alley that you can

590
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:31,150
see that the adjacent property owners have kept their fence out of the alley so good for them but

591
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:33,630
It's clearly not being utilized at this time.

592
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:35,730
And this is some of the drainage structures

593
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:37,750
that were in the drainage and utility easement.

594
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:39,490
So you see in the staff report, the applicant

595
00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:40,930
had a lot of hoops to jump through

596
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:43,350
because of these existing drainage easements

597
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:44,590
and drainage structures.

598
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:46,890
Our public works department work very hard

599
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:48,950
to look at an underground vault that was there

600
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:51,190
and had to do some TV, view the line and stuff.

601
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:52,130
I am not an engineer.

602
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:53,490
I just know it was very complicated.

603
00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:56,750
They have concluded, however, our public works staff

604
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:59,930
that they have no concerns now with this particular vacation

605
00:52:59,930 --> 00:53:01,930
and it will not affect drainage in the area.

606
00:53:02,550 --> 00:53:07,790
They are going to add a condition of this particular investigation on this building permit

607
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:08,390
before you.

608
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:12,270
This is for a proposed self-knowledge on the site, which is what's necessitating the vacation.

609
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:15,690
So staff has no concerns on this particular application.

610
00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:19,070
Utility companies in the area have also expressed no concerns.

611
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:22,970
There is a recommendation of approval from staff and state health staff.

612
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:24,850
Thank you, Joanna.

613
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:25,950
So

614
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:51,130
this is the public hearing portion of this agenda item H2 and I need to open it up to public see if anybody is in favor or against this project SV-22-3 would anyone like to speak on this either for against going once going twice

615
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:56,720
close the public portion of this board. What is your

616
00:53:57,630 --> 00:54:00,190
Madam Chair wishes here on H2.

617
00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:06,150
Madam. Motion to approve SB-22-03-Logan vacate

618
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,130
easements and alleys. Authorize the Chairman to

619
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:12,830
execute the Resolution and record it in the public

620
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:16,450
records. I have a motion by Commissioner Davis looking

621
00:54:16,450 --> 00:54:22,680
for a second. Second by Commissioner Finnegan is

622
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,140
any public comment.

623
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:27,870
Man, you don't need to know.

624
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:28,350
Not again.

625
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:30,010
See, none.

626
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:31,310
All in favor.

627
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:32,070
Say aye.

628
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:33,430
Opposed.

629
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:34,310
Say nay.

630
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:36,910
Passes 4-0.

631
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:38,270
Very good.

632
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:39,330
H3.

633
00:54:40,510 --> 00:54:40,990
Julianna.

634
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:43,330
H3 is also a street vacation.

635
00:54:43,330 --> 00:54:45,770
We're trying to vacate a portion of West Garden Street.

636
00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:48,670
This is located in the town side of Crystal Park.

637
00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:51,250
So this is it on paper.

638
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:52,210
You can see on the paper.

639
00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:54,290
It's definitely West Garden Street is there.

640
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:58,430
M.E. Stip North Bay Avenue, there's Turkey Oak on the North side there.

641
00:54:58,990 --> 00:55:04,330
This is what it looks like from the area that certainly is not developed, and you'll see that here that's the street.

642
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:06,410
You would never know a street is here.

643
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:15,690
The applicant is the house to the left side of this picture, and they understand it half of the road if this is a crew will go to the adjacent law on the right side of this picture.

644
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:24,510
So there are no concerns with this application, utility companies have also expressed no concerns and staff and state health staff are recommending approval.

645
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:26,690
Thank you.

646
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:38,110
Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on SV-23-01, vacating a portion of West Garden Street?

647
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:42,530
Welcome.

648
00:55:43,450 --> 00:55:46,410
My name is Rachel Lervin, I live on Bay Avenue.

649
00:55:46,410 --> 00:55:55,450
And I did not understand what this meant when I got the letter, but what impact is that going

650
00:55:55,450 --> 00:56:04,270
to have on more traffic coming down Bay, which is a dead end road, so is it to open

651
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:08,090
it up and make it go from Bay over to Olive?

652
00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:15,710
I mean, what is the purpose of vacating it?

653
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:21,390
And do you have any other questions and what we'll do is we'll I'll have Joanne address your questions.

654
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:27,810
Okay. And is it going to is this for further development later? That was another question.

655
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:31,550
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

656
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:37,190
Is there anyone else that would like to speak on this? Please step forward.

657
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:42,730
You'll fill out a green card and you get three minutes.

658
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,120
I'm Kathy Adams. I'm the owner of that property on the left. I'm going to say an I.

659
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:08,580
No, to answer your question, Rachel, the reason we're vacating that is so that there cannot be a road run through right next to our house.

660
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:16,920
It'll help us in the future and no development is proposed just what you see is what it's going to be.

661
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,480
It's just that there can't be a road by our house.

662
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,080
And you can't really develop on that half of the week.

663
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,560
No, it's 20 feet.

664
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,780
Okay, thank you.

665
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,260
Thank you.

666
00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:43,470
Madam Chair, I would like to speak on this.

667
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:49,030
Seeing none, I'm going to close the public portion of this agenda item H3.

668
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:51,490
Chair, board, what is your pleasure?

669
00:57:52,110 --> 00:57:59,490
Madam Chair, I'm motion to approve to authorize the Chairman, Exkeeth Resolution for SV-23-01,

670
00:58:00,530 --> 00:58:02,510
clerk to record the Resolution in the Public Records.

671
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:04,990
I have a motion by Commissioner Davis.

672
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:08,610
I'm looking for a second, second by Commissioner Baze.

673
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:11,790
Is there any further board comment?

674
00:58:12,450 --> 00:58:13,450
And did you get all your questions?

675
00:58:14,010 --> 00:58:14,690
Okay, very good.

676
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:15,670
Thank you.

677
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:17,630
Is there any further board comment?

678
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:20,490
Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

679
00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:25,150
Opposed, say nay, that passes 4-0. Congratulations.

680
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:32,190
H4. Is it 145? Yep. Okay. H4.

681
00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:37,870
CHW presentation on county road 486. IMA boundaries.

682
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:38,750
Hello.

683
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:39,710
Mr. Chair.

684
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:45,110
Just here to introduce CHW who is our consultant that will discuss the 486

685
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:47,030
interchange with the new Parkway extensions.

686
00:58:47,710 --> 00:58:50,550
I'm going to answer any questions, and leave a discussion next time.

687
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:51,330
Very good.

688
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:52,330
Thank you.

689
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:52,730
You're welcome.

690
00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:54,170
Hello.

691
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:54,730
Good afternoon.

692
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:57,930
It was a second to do the change over here.

693
00:58:58,770 --> 00:59:00,310
I'm Craig Brasier with CHW.

694
00:59:01,010 --> 00:59:04,410
This has been a new panoraker with airs, part of the consulting team.

695
00:59:04,770 --> 00:59:09,210
Also members of the team we weren't here today are Avis Craig, who is a local planning consultant

696
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:11,270
as well as Chris Donnelly architecture.

697
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:15,590
So with that, we can start the presentation.

698
00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:16,790
So,

699
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:27,310
the project at hand is the county row 486 interchange management area.

700
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:31,410
Obviously, the parkways being extended, there will be an interchange here.

701
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:35,870
The county has hired us to look at plant policies and land development regulations

702
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:38,830
to address future growth along this corridor.

703
00:59:39,110 --> 00:59:45,170
As expected, the new interchange will increase likely increased traffic along this corridor.

704
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:57,130
So the idea of the policies that we're going to propose to you will increase the quality of development along this corridor while still bringing economic development and job creating uses.

705
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,380
Up into this point, we've been focusing a lot of our attention on the public outreach and public participation,

706
01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:16,540
component of the process. We want to gather as much information as possible from the community,

707
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:22,300
year the local experts, we're the ones who are hired to then take that information and create these policies,

708
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,860
and development standard based on what we hear from the community.

709
01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:33,300
So at this point we had one open house workshop, which was well attended by more than 250 people.

710
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,860
Then we also held more focused individual or not individual, but in smaller groups, stakeholder meetings,

711
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:46,280
with the development community, with the institutional uses, with landowners, with city staff,

712
01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:50,880
because while we are county staff, while we have worked closely with growth management through this process,

713
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:54,400
we also wanted to make sure we were hearing from engineering, public works, parks,

714
01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:23,680
all the other departments as well, so we've gathered all this information and we kind of wanted to come to you today to give you an update on that public outreach and public participation process and as well as show you the boundaries of the area that we're considering and get your buy-in and get your feedback and get your input on that so that we can move forward and get into the more specific uses and standards of the project.

715
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:35,740
In addition to the in-person public outreach and meetings that we conducted, we've also got an active website, which Benoy and his team have been monitoring and they created and they updated.

716
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:52,180
And so everything that we've done at the workshop, we've replicated on the website so that if you weren't able to attend in person, you can go to the website and fill out surveys, visualization, preference surveys, give us feedback, just open comments.

717
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:59,800
And today we've had over 900 people go to the website and we've had more than 300 people download information from the website.

718
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:07,060
So we feel that there's been good use of the website and we hope that that will continue because the website will stay active throughout the life of the project.

719
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,340
We'll continue to update it.

720
01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:16,120
On there now you can find a series of maps about the property and things that we're looking at things that we've taken into consideration.

721
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:22,300
You can find minutes from all of the workshops and stakeholder meetings that we've had so far.

722
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,220
You'll find it overall schedule on there.

723
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:30,760
And then there's a general map where people can go on and just place comments and give us information about what they know.

724
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,880
Because that's one of the most helpful things is the more information we get put in,

725
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,100
the more we have to work with and hopefully the better the output will be.

726
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:42,620
So with that, this is a map.

727
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:45,240
Here this is an example of some of the information you can find on the website.

728
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,940
This is kind of taking in everything that we know today, and trying to show it all on one map.

729
01:02:52,400 --> 01:03:01,100
So if you want me to, I can give the specific website address for this page, but also you can go to the growth management website.

730
01:03:01,180 --> 01:03:04,480
And there's a link directly on the growth management landing page.

731
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:11,620
But one of the things we really wanted to look at today were the proposed boundaries for the interchange management area,

732
01:03:11,620 --> 01:03:15,480
where these policies and developments standards will apply.

733
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,220
So we're looking at a couple of options.

734
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,020
Here's one that's linear focused along the 486 corridor.

735
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:27,060
And we know that there's a lot of development that's already planned and in the works on the

736
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:32,800
north side, however, we felt that it was important to include that in the boundaries for

737
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,240
in the future if this development would just fall out if some development orders were

738
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,280
to expire, or if redevelopment occurs at some point in the future.

739
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:45,660
the coplan and the policies and the land development codes standards that we're creating last

740
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:52,360
you know, much longer than projects do sometimes. The other expands a little bit because we

741
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:58,020
think there is some opportunity and a pocket created by the Parkway Extension in the south of West

742
01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:05,520
corner of this red area here that we're looking at to create some what we're calling.

743
01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:10,260
Boyman

744
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:18,000
that maybe better position to take advantage of the parkway and the transit options that it offers,

745
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:23,840
because a lot of those light industrial, light manufacturing, research, laboratory type spaces need

746
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:30,200
close access to long distance for highways for transport, and we feel that there is some opportunity

747
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:39,500
there in that section. So as Benoy continues to show within the boundaries, whichever we choose,

748
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:41,720
we're looking at two different types of uses.

749
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,940
One would be a mixed use, which would be focused

750
01:04:45,940 --> 01:04:49,700
along the 486 corridor in this residential,

751
01:04:49,700 --> 01:04:52,820
a residential non-residential office, commercial retail

752
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:55,420
type uses, kind of in a town center.

753
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,840
Form is what our initial feedback was what we were hearing

754
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,740
that is kind of a desired development style

755
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:04,800
along this corridor.

756
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:09,040
The second part of that would be the employment center.

757
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,840
focused uses, which would be a little bit to the western end of the interchange management

758
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:15,160
area.

759
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,320
Like I said, in that pocket created by the Parkway itself.

760
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,460
And then the next one would look at that expanded boundary.

761
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,840
And this is the one that we would probably recommend moving forward with so that you can

762
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,520
take full advantage of the opportunities created by this new interchange.

763
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:45,580
So we were hoping today to just open up the discussion with you as a, you know, the indecision maker gets your feedback or any questions that you may have and then we'll return to you in a few months.

764
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:52,940
And I believe the next slide is a schedule if you wanted to go one more slide kind of showing when this started.

765
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:55,760
And if not, we started back last summer.

766
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:05,220
We're planning to go well through this summer and into the fall so that's kind of a, you know, a very general and we'll continue to update this schedule as we move through the process.

767
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:12,920
But there again, the website which is county road 486.imad.com.

768
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:17,520
And that's county road spelled out 486.imad.com.

769
01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:21,220
Or you can find a link directly from the growth management landing page.

770
01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:27,220
But all that information, pretty much everything I showed today is on the project website,

771
01:06:27,420 --> 01:06:31,200
and we'll continue to add information and keep that updated as we move forward.

772
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:37,360
But I'd be happy to answer between myself and the noise we should be able to answer whatever questions you have.

773
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,780
Thank you, Mr. Beshear.

774
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:40,540
Brasher, yes.

775
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:41,200
Brasher, yes.

776
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:41,520
Yes, okay.

777
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:42,620
I get it all done.

778
01:06:42,860 --> 01:06:44,020
I'm Sleva, sorry.

779
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:50,260
Sir, could you put your slide three on for me?

780
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:52,540
I think it's going to be the same

781
01:06:57,050 --> 01:06:59,430
project objectives.

782
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:03,470
Yeah, I think somebody has to put the presentation back on for us.

783
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:05,010
There we go.

784
01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:08,090
So go, I want to see the picture.

785
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:10,070
Oh, you can't see the picture.

786
01:07:10,770 --> 01:07:11,150
Oh, yeah.

787
01:07:11,530 --> 01:07:11,850
Okay.

788
01:07:11,850 --> 01:07:12,410
It's kind of white.

789
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:13,310
It's more white water.

790
01:07:13,310 --> 01:07:15,410
On ours, we can't read the words.

791
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:16,410
You can't see the picture.

792
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:17,990
So I'm going to put it different.

793
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:20,610
And I've always felt, this is my district.

794
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:27,410
I've always felt native Floridian, I saw this happen in my neighborhood growing up there in Sarasota,

795
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:37,330
and what they did by the hospital is they had shops, and then above that they had the shop owner

796
01:07:37,330 --> 01:07:45,030
could live above it, and it kind of looks like that, and is that part of like the,

797
01:07:48,050 --> 01:07:49,370
is that in your

798
01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:56,870
Yes, I believe so that is the well from what we were here in some of the feed back that we were getting that is a desired development form

799
01:07:56,870 --> 01:08:00,310
One of the specific uses are a

800
01:08:00,310 --> 01:08:04,950
Specific development that was used as an example was the town of Tioga, which is an actual county

801
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:08,470
Which we're very familiar with because our offices in the Gainesville area

802
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:14,410
So we've done work all in that area on very familiar with Tioga and it's a project that's turned out wonderful

803
01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:17,750
It's beautiful and everyone who sees it says, yeah, that's what we want

804
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:19,150
You know, that's what we're looking for.

805
01:08:19,350 --> 01:08:22,590
So yeah, we're trying to do a few things with these policies.

806
01:08:22,730 --> 01:08:25,990
Obviously, we want to respect the development rights

807
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:28,370
that people currently have along the corridor.

808
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:32,910
We want to encourage enhanced development

809
01:08:32,910 --> 01:08:36,410
and elevated development style and then offer some incentive

810
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:38,790
and send it for going beyond that

811
01:08:39,930 --> 01:08:43,810
and creating even more publicly accessible uses

812
01:08:43,810 --> 01:08:46,050
and benefits in this area.

813
01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:49,030
And those are the kind of details that will work through when we get into crafting

814
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:49,650
the policies.

815
01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:54,970
But yeah, that is the type of mixed use town center concept that we're working for along

816
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:55,490
the corridor.

817
01:08:55,890 --> 01:09:01,050
And that picture itself was an example of what we use at our workshop.

818
01:09:01,710 --> 01:09:04,630
So we had a visual preference survey.

819
01:09:04,750 --> 01:09:09,930
So we had different things that affect development such as building placement and building

820
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:15,970
form, which that picture was likely taken from, as well as landscaping, as well as

821
01:09:17,230 --> 01:09:22,230
parking and parking location and what parking lots can look like.

822
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:26,610
So we wanted to get people's feedback on what they liked and what they didn't like.

823
01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:32,330
So not all the pictures were nice, but we also, it was important to us to find out what people

824
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:38,990
didn't like about certain development styles and architectural form was one of the categories

825
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:40,490
for the visual preference survey.

826
01:09:41,070 --> 01:09:45,950
And if there are people who would still like to provide input on that survey, each one of

827
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:49,930
categories is on the website as well so you can go and give us feedback.

828
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:54,050
Well, I appreciate that. This is literally in my backyard.

829
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:55,970
Okay. Right in my backyard.

830
01:09:56,770 --> 01:10:02,590
So obviously, you know, I've known this was happening when I bought my home.

831
01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:04,090
I knew this was coming eventually.

832
01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:07,970
25 years ago we knew this was happening.

833
01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:13,570
I just would want it to be as painless

834
01:10:13,570 --> 01:10:25,430
and as welcoming the part of the community, not, you know, obviously I don't want to

835
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:28,810
pay for mail in my backyard, which we're not going to get, but I love that you have

836
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:36,530
already reached out to the community, having 200, respond the first time is fantastic. I appreciate

837
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:41,030
all the work that you're doing, and if you're looking for a consensus for me, like I said

838
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:41,910
This is my backyard.

839
01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:49,690
I would like to see option 2 where we incorporate that Duke energy easement and sanction road.

840
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:51,090
So thank you, sir.

841
01:10:51,310 --> 01:10:51,750
All right.

842
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:52,330
Board?

843
01:10:52,670 --> 01:10:53,810
Yes, ma'am.

844
01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:57,830
I too would like to see option 2 included as well.

845
01:10:58,030 --> 01:11:00,150
I do want some points of clarification.

846
01:11:00,490 --> 01:11:06,050
I believe I know the answer is to all of us, but for public record, there is, you know,

847
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:08,370
I blew up on Google Maps and really looked at that.

848
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:15,090
looks like there's basically many farms sort of farmsteads, and then there's that one triangle

849
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:16,670
that looks like an actual neighborhood.

850
01:11:17,790 --> 01:11:20,650
So what happens to all of them when we do the overlay?

851
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:27,210
And there's some discussion about especially as it relates to also the Pine Ridge neighborhood

852
01:11:27,210 --> 01:11:33,370
to the north, how you treat development adjacent to existing neighborhoods.

853
01:11:33,610 --> 01:11:38,010
That would definitely be something that's incorporated and there will be buffers and

854
01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:42,350
compatibility standards that may also include building height within certain distance.

855
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:49,790
There's a number of techniques we can use to enhance compatibility between new and existing

856
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:50,190
development.

857
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:53,610
So that will definitely be part of the draft that we bring back and we'll be looking

858
01:11:53,610 --> 01:11:57,430
from your feedback and your direction at that point as well.

859
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:58,870
So this is early on.

860
01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:03,550
We wanted to make sure before we got too far down a road with the two different types

861
01:12:03,550 --> 01:12:07,770
of uses being the mixed use kind of this town center development as opposed to something

862
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:11,310
that's a little bit more employee-focused such as, you know, like I said,

863
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:18,170
light manufacturing, light industrial, laboratory and research type uses that can take advantage

864
01:12:18,170 --> 01:12:24,490
of the access to the highway, which may have a little bit developed, different development

865
01:12:24,490 --> 01:12:29,190
form and different development standards associated with it, but it won't be as, you

866
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:31,610
know, visible when it is upfront on the corridor.

867
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:37,050
Well, I assume the other commissioners got this email because it's not my district and

868
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:39,850
I got it, I think he's in your district.

869
01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:42,470
He said he lives near Sugar Mill and he had,

870
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:45,730
I think, 90 decibels on the sound meter with the suncoast.

871
01:12:46,330 --> 01:12:49,830
And that's what the state is the one that decided

872
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:52,310
where it was going and did the planning and installation

873
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:53,690
and all that.

874
01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:57,470
And I have to say, it's a tough pill to swallow.

875
01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:00,150
If you're not getting an eminent domain,

876
01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:01,990
but you're living right next to it.

877
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:03,190
I understand.

878
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:06,270
Industrial light industrial and employment center

879
01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:12,350
is spot on perfect for next to a freeway it's perfect and that's that was the feedback we were

880
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:16,670
hearing especially from the business and the development communities if that would you

881
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:20,650
know understanding some of the difficulties that come along with the parkway extension but

882
01:13:20,650 --> 01:13:26,930
there there are some opportunities created and that is one that has been identified through

883
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:34,010
our public engagement process. I'm sorry to the residents for that I mean again it was the state

884
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:37,230
But the only upside is that commercial property

885
01:13:37,230 --> 01:13:38,730
goes for a lot more than residential.

886
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:43,410
And there is a silver lining, hopefully there's

887
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:45,810
a benefit down the line for some property on a suit.

888
01:13:45,930 --> 01:13:47,930
This was a tough conversation to have publicly

889
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:48,490
but I wanted to.

890
01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:52,810
And the workshop, the initial workshop

891
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,230
was those conversations we understand

892
01:13:55,230 --> 01:13:57,090
that everybody was happy and we were trying

893
01:13:57,090 --> 01:14:01,870
to explain the role that we were here to play.

894
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:10,550
And the point that the county was actually trying to get ahead of the future development that is going to result from this extension.

895
01:14:11,870 --> 01:14:20,190
And as time has gone on, as the project goes on and we hope to keep that engagement and that conversation going so that still if there's anyone who doesn't understand.

896
01:14:21,070 --> 01:14:30,750
In addition to the workshops, the stakeholder meetings we also have had a number of direct emails and a number of direct calls where we've had the opportunity to talk directly to citizens.

897
01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:35,730
and hopefully help them understand a little bit more about the process and where this is going.

898
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:41,230
And that it's, we still got quite a ways to go and there will be much more public engagement as we go forward.

899
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:43,830
Thank you.

900
01:14:44,210 --> 01:14:44,870
You're, are you done?

901
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:46,330
Can you show your fin again?

902
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:47,750
Thank you.

903
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:49,410
You answered my questions about buffering.

904
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:53,970
It seems like we really, in the mixed-use area, won a high-end look.

905
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:56,730
And I love the idea of the Employment Center.

906
01:14:56,850 --> 01:14:59,970
I'm just wondering, do you have that vision to keep that high?

907
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,500
And luck with landscaping, or how I would like to see that kind of flow in, they're kind of have that plan.

908
01:15:06,820 --> 01:15:10,340
There are, well, that's, that's the details that we're going to get into, but we want to, we definitely

909
01:15:10,340 --> 01:15:14,880
want to make sure that y'all were on board with that approach before we got too far down that road. So, I

910
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:22,620
know, I do appreciate that very direct feedback. But yeah, there's just a difference in the nature,

911
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:29,820
right, just the functionality of some businesses and these employment type uses. This is different than

912
01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:33,680
a next-use residential commercial retail office development.

913
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:39,060
So we can't factor in and we can utilize landscaping

914
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:42,280
and even building signage, signage absolutely,

915
01:15:42,860 --> 01:15:47,120
signage was something that we heard a lot of from all angles

916
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,800
that can be incorporated.

917
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,640
And you know, but there are some benefits of exposure

918
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,880
from the part way that those types of uses will benefit from

919
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,640
that actually are detrimental to residential,

920
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,960
or like we were talking about, but those uses can actually

921
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,700
see it as a bit of this because of some skillfully place

922
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,880
signage and landscape standards that make it look nice.

923
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,260
Because one of the things that we've always looked at

924
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:17,600
as a goal here that's driving this is now with this new interchange.

925
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,500
We understand that this may be some people's first encounter

926
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:24,820
with citrus county if they use the parkway and they get off

927
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:25,740
at this interchange.

928
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,680
It may be their first experience.

929
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:33,740
And that's what we were hearing from the staff is that they wanted it to be a positive experience, obviously.

930
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:40,360
And to have quality development around this interchange, that's really one of the driving goals of what we're trying to achieve.

931
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:45,200
And that's the same discussions you've been having around the other interchanges as well.

932
01:16:45,780 --> 01:16:53,760
I mean, I'm only one of five, but I've seen a light industrial look very nice, like a park area with the light industrial.

933
01:16:53,760 --> 01:17:01,540
and that would be more of my vision as to see everything when someone drives by this, even an

934
01:17:01,540 --> 01:17:04,900
employment center, they say, wow, they said you're scouting to this, right?

935
01:17:05,180 --> 01:17:12,460
I was just specifically why we included an architecture firm on our team is so that when we get

936
01:17:12,460 --> 01:17:17,420
down to crafting that level of detail in the development standards, we hope that that's what

937
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:21,220
we're trying to achieve. Thank you. Anything further?

938
01:17:21,220 --> 01:17:22,880
Can I show you something?

939
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,200
Are you ready?

940
01:17:25,940 --> 01:17:26,360
I already.

941
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:35,360
This is probably some for you and some for staff, but I like to look at things maybe in a

942
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,860
little bit bigger picture.

943
01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:42,400
What I'd like for us to look at is demographics that currently exist today.

944
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,820
How many households are already developed?

945
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,720
How many vacant lots do we have in some of those areas?

946
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,040
I'd like to look at traffic patterns taking into consideration what's going to be built down

947
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,300
for 86 and how people would traverse.

948
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:58,740
I think it's also important to look beyond that.

949
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:02,060
We have a development that's going to go in over on Brock Crusher Road.

950
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,580
As you, I kind of eat, sleep and breathe, transportation.

951
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,180
So I had Walt today.

952
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:09,720
We sit down.

953
01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:11,720
We really kind of looked at it.

954
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:16,840
If we think about the intersection on 44 in St. Coast Parkway,

955
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,340
and we have an IMA going around that.

956
01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:25,040
I'm a little concerned when I look at what's going to happen

957
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,380
between that going west, down to 486,

958
01:18:28,420 --> 01:18:30,700
and how people are going to travel.

959
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:38,790
How we tie in, I know we're going to have some other transportation

960
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:44,970
later today, but I think we have to really

961
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:50,550
take into account developments, the capacity of the road.

962
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:54,290
I'm very concerned that 486 is forelane right now.

963
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:57,170
We only have a median in there that we can take out.

964
01:18:57,890 --> 01:19:00,150
And frankly, it would look ugly if you take the median out.

965
01:19:00,310 --> 01:19:03,350
But that's the last chance we have is to make that

966
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:04,490
and expand that road.

967
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,770
So if we do this, either we're going to have to teach people

968
01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:09,730
how to slow down a little bit,

969
01:19:12,780 --> 01:19:13,540
enjoy life.

970
01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:17,500
But we need to be very careful in this planning.

971
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:21,640
And then I think the way that we go about it is we really do the deep dive.

972
01:19:21,900 --> 01:19:29,680
We look at where people are, do they have one car to cars, are they retired, are they

973
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:37,360
of working age, really go into the nitty gritty details of all of this.

974
01:19:42,210 --> 01:19:46,710
I think about the expansion of the other roads that we're going to collect the roads that

975
01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:49,070
we're going to have to increase the capacity.

976
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:53,370
And for those that are setting out there, I want you to listen very carefully.

977
01:19:55,030 --> 01:20:02,010
19, 44, 41, art, state roads.

978
01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:05,110
They fund those roads.

979
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:09,890
They fund the capacity and they fund the maintenance of them.

980
01:20:10,450 --> 01:20:16,270
So every time you come to us and you say you want us to expand a road or you want us to put a new road in,

981
01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:23,550
We have to come up with a 50% match, that's to build it, and then we have to come up with

982
01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:26,150
the money to maintain it.

983
01:20:26,850 --> 01:20:32,050
So when you think about this some coast parkway going in, and it goes all the way out to

984
01:20:32,050 --> 01:20:36,690
19 when it's done, and how you're going to move in and about this county, and I'll take

985
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:42,930
it one step further when you get on, right now there's a 60% discount, if you're using

986
01:20:42,930 --> 01:20:49,950
that with frequency on your toes. I think we should take it further to the governor and say

987
01:20:49,950 --> 01:20:58,850
if you're using it within your county it becomes free. Amen. This will reduce our burdens

988
01:20:58,850 --> 01:21:10,170
for maintenance and for expansion. We have an estimate to widen 491 all the way down to 200 because

989
01:21:10,170 --> 01:21:19,370
that's evacuation route. It's a hundred and sixty-five million dollars and

990
01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:23,130
that's on our backs.

991
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:30,470
We have to come up with 50 percent of that. Now let me tell you, I've taken my heels and I've gone

992
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:36,670
all the way to Calhassie and I'm like, you put the evacuation sign up there. We would shirt and

993
01:21:36,670 --> 01:21:39,110
certainly like your help with this.

994
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:43,390
So I'm saying all of this because I think it's really important.

995
01:21:43,810 --> 01:21:48,530
I hear it loud and clear every day when I go out and I talk to the people of the county and

996
01:21:48,530 --> 01:21:51,090
the citizens and they tell me we don't want growth.

997
01:21:51,550 --> 01:22:00,800
Well, growth is here, it's coming but we can plan smart and we need to be very cautious in

998
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:06,740
how we develop our collector roads and develop our businesses and what they're going to

999
01:22:06,740 --> 01:22:09,220
look like and how we're going to pay for

1000
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:12,290
it.

1001
01:22:12,830 --> 01:22:17,430
Let's be, we're going to, we're going to do this right.

1002
01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:20,310
I've heard you, we're going to do it right.

1003
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:21,890
We're not going to stop growth.

1004
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:22,970
It's coming.

1005
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:25,550
It'd be no different than one of you studying out there

1006
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:26,310
with a house.

1007
01:22:26,750 --> 01:22:28,410
And you've got three people living in it.

1008
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:31,370
And I'm said today, I'm going to create a administrative

1009
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:34,410
regulation that when you sell it, only one person can buy that

1010
01:22:34,410 --> 01:22:34,810
house.

1011
01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:37,070
You're only going to allow one residence living in it.

1012
01:22:37,090 --> 01:22:38,730
Well, it just doesn't work like that.

1013
01:22:38,730 --> 01:22:44,890
people buy land for investments, they put things up, but we can have a plan on how we want

1014
01:22:44,890 --> 01:22:51,310
them to develop an invest in our community, and I think that we want the highest

1015
01:22:51,310 --> 01:22:55,870
invest use for every single piece of land that we have, because nearly 50% of our state

1016
01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:57,330
our county is protected.

1017
01:22:59,930 --> 01:23:06,330
So I'm excited about what we're doing, but I really, really want us to look at all of those

1018
01:23:06,330 --> 01:23:10,590
roads, all those things, all the way people move throughout this county and what

1019
01:23:10,590 --> 01:23:14,670
how it's going to tie in. I don't think we can just look at these individually.

1020
01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:18,910
I don't think we can look at 486 individually. I don't think we can look at 44 or

1021
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:25,710
Cardinal or 495. I think we have to take the map. We have to lay them out on the bigger picture

1022
01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:30,690
and know who the people are here currently, know the developments and what we're attracting

1023
01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:38,130
and how we can best serve. I'll leave it with one final thought. We need industry.

1024
01:23:39,930 --> 01:23:45,010
Industry and job opportunities beyond retail is what we need.

1025
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,500
In 2010 to 2014, your tax

1026
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:58,420
burden from Duke, they were a contributor, a 45% of your tax base. Today they're 15,

1027
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:01,000
and

1028
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:09,200
going down further. So we have got to shift that back. We have to have opportunities to keep our

1029
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:16,820
young people here and to create jobs because jobs is what transfers the burden away from the

1030
01:24:16,820 --> 01:24:23,960
residents. So we've got to be very serious and very directed as we're planning this county out that

1031
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:30,260
we're going to create job opportunities that have more of an industrial or light manufacturing

1032
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,580
component to it because that only creates a 30-cent

1033
01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:37,600
per dollar burden on us.

1034
01:24:39,550 --> 01:24:42,470
Madam Chair, did you get all that?

1035
01:24:42,650 --> 01:24:43,170
I do.

1036
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:45,530
Told you it was going to be long.

1037
01:24:45,530 --> 01:24:46,330
I warned you.

1038
01:24:46,570 --> 01:24:48,710
And I don't know how much is in your control,

1039
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:50,910
but if you can get that list checked out.

1040
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:52,650
I really, really appreciate it.

1041
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:53,770
I agree with you.

1042
01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:55,750
And if you didn't get it, they're coming up later.

1043
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:56,930
I don't say it all over.

1044
01:24:57,450 --> 01:24:58,830
I do want to say like,

1045
01:24:58,830 --> 01:25:05,470
I'm going to just say this, it is, it is in my backyard, I have known it was going to be

1046
01:25:05,470 --> 01:25:10,910
in my backyard, just like most of us citizens that have lived here more than 25 years.

1047
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:14,990
So I'm not saying, no, not in my backyard.

1048
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:22,750
I'm saying, please be cognizant of us neighbors that are there and that we do it properly,

1049
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:30,190
like a Mr. Bayes said, I also would like to see some of the pressure off of, in my district,

1050
01:25:30,330 --> 01:25:31,590
I have the smallest district.

1051
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:37,810
I have the most people, I have some of the most vulnerable people, people living on very,

1052
01:25:37,810 --> 01:25:39,330
very, very fixed incomes.

1053
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:46,110
And if we could take some of that pressure off of these people so that we could pave the roads

1054
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:52,510
and take care of them that they would have the quality of life and that they're social security

1055
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:59,630
could not be spent so much on taxes and things. I would love to see it properly done with light

1056
01:25:59,630 --> 01:26:06,730
industry. I've said this since 2018. I don't know. Food, food industry is a light industry.

1057
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:13,690
I would love to see a chocolate factory in my district. It would make it smell so delicious. But

1058
01:26:13,690 --> 01:26:20,870
that, you know, I'm being fresh, but those are light industry jobs that pay well quality jobs with

1059
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:26,490
insurance and with that when we bring that in like you said and we know how we're going to move

1060
01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:32,770
them around let's move them around on the sun coast parkway take the burden off of our roads take

1061
01:26:32,770 --> 01:26:41,550
the burden off of our wallets you know commissioner base can she can go to church on some of this

1062
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:47,210
stuff she'll preach to you and she'll say it but she's right on a lot of it and I hope you

1063
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:53,390
and all of us know what growth is coming and we just want to do it right.

1064
01:26:53,970 --> 01:26:55,730
And I want it to look pretty.

1065
01:26:56,830 --> 01:27:02,490
I want it to look like that that building belongs there.

1066
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:04,970
It fits in with a nature coast.

1067
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:09,710
It is not some big eyesore, so thank you.

1068
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:12,170
And you've got a big job on your hands.

1069
01:27:12,190 --> 01:27:17,110
And I encourage every one of you here today to go to the website and vote.

1070
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:22,050
and take the control back, you know,

1071
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:25,070
we're like a Commissioner Finnegan said, she's one vote.

1072
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:29,290
I'm one vote, and we, but you, you all,

1073
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:31,110
the citizens of Citrus County can say,

1074
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:34,030
this is what I want and help us out.

1075
01:27:34,150 --> 01:27:35,570
So thank you so much.

1076
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:37,550
Absolutely, we appreciate the direct feedback

1077
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:39,610
and the conversation, and I would echo that,

1078
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:43,570
and please go to the website or contact us in any way,

1079
01:27:43,570 --> 01:27:50,550
note that not everybody has direct access to the internet and that's fine, you can pick up the phone and call us

1080
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:56,990
and we'll be more than happy to talk to you or find a better way or another way to get your information.

1081
01:27:57,630 --> 01:28:04,130
And I did not get your preference, Mr. Baze, of option one or two and I don't remember if I got you did you, too.

1082
01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:06,610
Okay, thank you.

1083
01:28:06,930 --> 01:28:08,270
Okay, so you got a clear.

1084
01:28:08,570 --> 01:28:09,670
Foro, there you go.

1085
01:28:09,730 --> 01:28:11,470
All right, that's good.

1086
01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:12,310
All right, we'll see you soon.

1087
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:15,610
Fourth and prosper. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

1088
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:22,430
Got a consensus there. Okay, so now we are on H5.

1089
01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:24,330
Time's certain.

1090
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,560
Thank you, sir.

1091
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:31,850
Aaron.

1092
01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:37,740
Donna, can you you want to take that out there, sir? Thank you.

1093
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,040
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Commissioners.

1094
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,280
I'm Erin Doran, Management and Budget Director.

1095
01:29:59,060 --> 01:29:59,980
We're here today to present.

1096
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:21,980
Since the CIP for 2024 to 2008, I just want to say real quick that this is not possible without management and budget team, specifically staff, but we're looking for assistance management and budget director and the Colburns and Georgia broker in the back there budget analyst.

1097
01:30:21,980 --> 01:30:27,600
I also want to thank you to the departments every year we do this, we look five years

1098
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:32,580
out in this particular document and all the departments try to convey to us the projects

1099
01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:37,280
that they want done, then they try to convey their budget, we try to understand it, we try

1100
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,600
to make it fit, then we try to convey all that information back to you.

1101
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,480
It's a lot of back and forth, it's a lot of information, then we try to make it accessible

1102
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:46,240
and transparent.

1103
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,560
So it does take quite a bit of work.

1104
01:30:49,560 --> 01:31:01,460
Erin. Yeah. Gentlemen, there's some seats up front if you'd like to sit down. You've been standing back there. If you if you would like a seat, I keep looking at these empty seats. So. Sorry. Thank you.

1105
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,540
Just feel bad for them standing there.

1106
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:16,140
So, just quickly, the total budget for the 2024 CIP is a little, well, almost $7,79,

1107
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:25,340
$1,892,822,82, to slightly under $80,000, and then this is just for the year of 2024.

1108
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:30,620
At this time, we're not asking you to vote or approve this CIP, that is done in September when

1109
01:31:30,620 --> 01:31:31,500
we bring you the budget.

1110
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:36,900
This is just for you to look at those projects that are requesting funding in 2024, make sure

1111
01:31:37,540 --> 01:31:42,620
Those are still the projects that you're interested in got accomplished your goals that nothing's missing

1112
01:31:43,870 --> 01:31:46,370
This kind of briefly goes over

1113
01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:50,630
What we put in the capital improvement program so it's an expenditure

1114
01:31:51,010 --> 01:31:55,630
Over $50,000 and it usually has a useful life of 10 years or more

1115
01:31:56,250 --> 01:32:00,530
Sometimes I can vary depending on the projects. It looks at

1116
01:32:00,530 --> 01:32:06,190
projects, and equipment, it allows for evaluation of the needs of the departments.

1117
01:32:06,970 --> 01:32:10,670
We also look at financing, so do we have the funds in their current budget?

1118
01:32:10,730 --> 01:32:14,810
Is it something we have to grow and get financing for?

1119
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:21,190
It also feels a requirement of a state statute and it serves for public relations and economic

1120
01:32:21,190 --> 01:32:21,770
development.

1121
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,920
The first department is the general fund.

1122
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:31,640
So I'm not going to read over every project unless you would like me to.

1123
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:36,720
These are the projects, however, that are being requested for general fund taxes.

1124
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:46,080
There are a few that I wanted to point out, county transit buses, that is totally grant funded

1125
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:53,860
next year, that's $600,000. We also have some debt service, so in all of the slides, the debt

1126
01:32:53,860 --> 01:33:01,020
services in blue, so that's an obligation we have to pay that, unfortunately, that's just how it is.

1127
01:33:01,020 --> 01:33:08,460
Every project listed in green as you go through the slides are all new projects that are being requested.

1128
01:33:10,020 --> 01:33:14,980
So, we have constitutional officer renovations of 480,000.

1129
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:21,220
On that particular page, you will see that various constitutional officers have made requests.

1130
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:25,400
What they've requested and the total for those projects.

1131
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:34,960
We have an emergency operations chiller that needs additional funding, judicial infrastructure

1132
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,480
replacement that's actually funded by court fees.

1133
01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:46,840
On the next slide, we have the Latino government building chiller number two.

1134
01:33:47,460 --> 01:33:53,260
That is actually an ARPA project and they are actually requesting additional funding, so it's

1135
01:33:53,260 --> 01:34:00,620
to be more than they thought last year when it was in the budget. After that, our all projects

1136
01:34:00,620 --> 01:34:06,940
that were added, this year to the general fund, a lot of them are refurbishments for HVACs.

1137
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,620
There are some that are part of your strategic plans that we can't have government building space

1138
01:34:12,620 --> 01:34:21,020
need that list of $15,000. New Court House space need study. That was also part of this

1139
01:34:21,020 --> 01:34:27,300
strategic plan. There's the morgue. I know Commissioner Davis has been speaking with you all

1140
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:32,340
about that. This is what was budgeted on the high side and it would be over two years, at least

1141
01:34:32,340 --> 01:34:40,340
at this point until we get further information. May I? Oh, sure. Just to be clear, because that's

1142
01:34:40,340 --> 01:34:45,340
six county project. That's also more or less mandated like we can't not do it.

1143
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,200
So. Yes, it's part of the medical examiner. We have an agreement with them.

1144
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:51,600
Yes.

1145
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,960
But if we did so point of clarification since you're the budget director.

1146
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:58,640
If we do the.

1147
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,280
Build the suit with a least option, you know,

1148
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:07,460
to buy later that would reduce the capital outlay would it not when it just end up being a higher

1149
01:35:07,460 --> 01:35:13,040
Well, it depends on how they choose to fund it because remember they have like five different options.

1150
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:20,460
Are we gonna fund it for every person we send that has an autopsy. Are we going to do it per county divided up?

1151
01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:23,400
So we'll have to see what the board chooses.

1152
01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:26,480
But in any event, this is our worst case scenario. Yes.

1153
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:27,360
Thank you.

1154
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:33,100
And then there's a communications plan. That was also a part of your strategic plan.

1155
01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:35,260
That is $200,000.

1156
01:35:36,060 --> 01:35:42,780
And then just so you know any of these projects that are listed in fiscal year 24 when you actually look at the CIP book

1157
01:35:43,660 --> 01:35:49,300
They could have been funded in previous years and cash carried forward or this could be the first year of funding

1158
01:35:49,300 --> 01:35:55,160
And they could need additional funding like the mort. We did that over two years because we know it's going to take them a while

1159
01:35:56,140 --> 01:36:02,300
The next slide is public buildings. This is just all the debt service that we currently have on our buildings

1160
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:11,300
I know when financial advisor was here, she kind of went over that service when that was coming off and how that was secured.

1161
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:13,440
Get Aaron.

1162
01:36:16,980 --> 01:36:22,280
I'm not going to look this way at Commissioner Bays because she'll have a lot to say about this.

1163
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:23,960
But I'm going to throw it out there.

1164
01:36:24,260 --> 01:36:29,360
Wouldn't it be nice to look at all the needs that we have with the county?

1165
01:36:30,380 --> 01:36:37,380
And instead of doing piecemeal, let's address this and come up with a real plan.

1166
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:43,460
Because as soon as this building was built, evidently it wasn't.

1167
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:48,200
We were building it because the taxpayer say, we only want to spend this much money.

1168
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,480
So we built it to that moment in time.

1169
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,580
We can no longer build things to today's moment in time.

1170
01:36:56,580 --> 01:37:08,740
We have to come up with a broader plan and what are your thoughts about that and I'll go ahead and start with you because I know you have a lot of thoughts.

1171
01:37:10,780 --> 01:37:12,460
And they're all good thoughts, mind you.

1172
01:37:14,980 --> 01:37:23,120
Well, I will just tell you, I have heard plenty that there's never enough space for constitutional officers.

1173
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,620
the judges want more space.

1174
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,380
I am not for putting another dime into any of this.

1175
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:36,920
I think we have to have a master facilities plan throughout the entire county.

1176
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:43,180
I would like to see us work with the city of Vemperness

1177
01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:48,740
to talk about how we can redesign all of our government buildings,

1178
01:37:48,740 --> 01:37:52,500
houses for efficiencies under one roof.

1179
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,740
That means we would find a location here.

1180
01:37:58,740 --> 01:37:59,960
Put everybody under it.

1181
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:04,520
That would then put the sheriff's office and the

1182
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:05,480
Stobas building.

1183
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,680
That would put them back on the tax rolls.

1184
01:38:08,060 --> 01:38:12,180
It would also put the clerks building back on the tax roll.

1185
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,760
Next to the public sub there.

1186
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,100
And I think we just have to work the numbers.

1187
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:22,200
we have to figure out what we're going to put back on the tax rows and what's going to be

1188
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:27,080
what's going to be generated out of that, that offsets action and the scales of efficiency

1189
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:33,940
putting us all under one and stop putting band aids on this. I would also say that we should look

1190
01:38:33,940 --> 01:38:46,180
at trying to integrate the resource center back to Locantil and combining our workforce in one place.

1191
01:38:46,180 --> 01:38:49,480
I think we've got a couple of different options on the table

1192
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:52,440
to potentially for reuse of that building.

1193
01:38:53,380 --> 01:38:57,140
One, either maybe that can become our mental health facility.

1194
01:38:58,660 --> 01:39:02,540
Or to, I know that the veterans' villages looking,

1195
01:39:04,540 --> 01:39:06,500
we've been in negotiations with them

1196
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:08,900
for a contract up there on the hill to build that,

1197
01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:11,140
maybe we sell that building to them,

1198
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:12,240
which is another option.

1199
01:39:12,820 --> 01:39:15,600
So that's those that gives us a west side east side

1200
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:20,600
that gives us our center of our county, and I think we start to consolidate and we have the

1201
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:30,240
scales of efficiencies of operating collaboratively together and not spending this money

1202
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:35,540
just shuffling the deck, you know, as they say, putting lipstick on a pig.

1203
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:43,220
So if I can clarify, do you mean when we're looking at the Licanto government building

1204
01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:46,480
in the New Court, how sweet he's putting everything together.

1205
01:39:46,780 --> 01:39:48,740
Now I'm saying here in the city of Inverness,

1206
01:39:50,020 --> 01:39:52,900
if we take the sheriff, the stove all building

1207
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:56,180
and what the clerk is using over by publics

1208
01:39:56,180 --> 01:39:58,140
and we end this area that we're in

1209
01:39:58,140 --> 01:40:02,020
and we build one facility here somewhere in downtown Invers.

1210
01:40:02,020 --> 01:40:03,840
We need to work with our partners

1211
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,480
in the city of Inverness to come up with a plan for that.

1212
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:10,680
We have no idea of what they're even planning for their city,

1213
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:24,400
But we need to work collaboratively with them to figure out what their vision is, what that looks like but that gives us the opportunity to put these buildings that are setting the sheriff and the stove of building and the other one back on the tax rolls.

1214
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:39,180
Because I do believe this is my firm belief that I believe that if we do that one between the sheriff and the stove all building, I think we would get a really nice hotel over here on the lakeside.

1215
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:50,080
I think that gives a real opportunity, so then work with putting those entities into one building but still go ahead with the projects for LeCanto.

1216
01:40:51,000 --> 01:41:02,480
I don't have a problem with LeCanto government building, but I think what we need to do before we start doing groups and things at the Resource Center.

1217
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:08,940
We need to see if how our space needs are in LeCanto potentially moving that group of people

1218
01:41:08,940 --> 01:41:16,440
to the LeCanto government building and then either figuring out if that works for a medical

1219
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:21,560
center or the mental health center. So we're not building one. Maybe it's something we can

1220
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:27,120
repurpose and if it's not that, maybe we can sell that building to the veterans village group.

1221
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:34,460
could be a possibility. I just think there's we need a master facilities plan. We have no idea

1222
01:41:34,460 --> 01:41:39,040
what we're doing. We're running in the dark here. We know that our sheriff says he needs

1223
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:48,380
a new facility. His lease is running out. You know we you know we have growing pains and we

1224
01:41:48,380 --> 01:41:53,960
before we just keep putting money into buildings that are functionally obsolete we need we need to

1225
01:41:53,960 --> 01:42:01,960
have a real a look at this okay are there any other projects that you all I just have

1226
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:11,680
really one quick question on here I'm a little confused when you have there is currently

1227
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:22,900
radio debt service of 721,755 and I don't know what the page number is but on the next

1228
01:42:22,900 --> 01:42:28,060
when you have Radio Equipment Replacement of 362.

1229
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:33,460
Right, so the previous debt is on

1230
01:42:37,780 --> 01:42:38,940
the...

1231
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:40,240
We did, yeah.

1232
01:42:40,820 --> 01:42:44,440
That was back in 2014, so we were police radios,

1233
01:42:44,780 --> 01:42:48,760
but we also upgraded the radios and got

1234
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:53,540
an additional six simulcast remote site and inverness.

1235
01:42:53,540 --> 01:43:02,940
The new one is that is coming off in November of 2024 and they're saying that radios are going to need to be replaced.

1236
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:10,160
So the last one is for and that is on page 51 is a radio equipment replacement.

1237
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:17,240
And so that's 130 mobile radios and 150 portable radios over a four year period.

1238
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,900
So I think they're just trying to not get behind again.

1239
01:43:19,900 --> 01:43:27,500
So here's my question, what is the lifespan of a radio, what's the life expectancy of a radio system?

1240
01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:30,780
Barb is motioning to me, it's ten years.

1241
01:43:30,940 --> 01:43:32,360
This is the radio of the radio.

1242
01:43:37,020 --> 01:43:39,240
And then how long do we finance them for?

1243
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:46,520
Well, this and new one, they're not looking to finance or looking to save the money over for your period.

1244
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,540
How long was the last finance period?

1245
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:52,100
It started in 2014, so it appears to be ten years.

1246
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:58,630
because at one time we rolled a bunch of bad debt.

1247
01:43:59,010 --> 01:44:03,370
We were upside down in 2014 because I voted on that.

1248
01:44:03,630 --> 01:44:08,030
We rolled bad debt into that and that's the one thing that I'm going to tell you.

1249
01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:13,730
If we have something that has a lifespan on it, we should be able to figure that debt out

1250
01:44:13,730 --> 01:44:18,910
and pay for it on the lifespan and not be rolling upside down debt into it.

1251
01:44:19,390 --> 01:44:22,630
Yeah, I don't know who's rolled her say if something was rolled into that.

1252
01:44:22,630 --> 01:44:27,490
I can just tell you it was October 28th of 2014, and it matures November 11th of

1253
01:44:27,490 --> 01:44:27,990
2024.

1254
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:31,850
Could you keep the cross-talk down a little bit this time?

1255
01:44:32,710 --> 01:44:33,390
Which is fine.

1256
01:44:33,710 --> 01:44:39,770
But I just, I mean, I want to be very clear that when we've got a capital investment, whatever

1257
01:44:39,770 --> 01:44:44,590
the lifespan is, we shouldn't have debt that extends beyond the capital of the lifespan of it.

1258
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:45,070
Yes.

1259
01:44:45,490 --> 01:44:49,110
And when the financial advisor was here, that was one of the things they had mentioned

1260
01:44:49,110 --> 01:44:49,510
as well.

1261
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:53,090
So any time we go out to do that, that is something they look at.

1262
01:44:53,210 --> 01:44:57,850
So I don't know what, what that was for, what happened then, but we want to make sure

1263
01:44:57,850 --> 01:44:59,970
when we bring you that proposed budget in July.

1264
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,000
It doesn't have any other projects. You may want to wait for. So other than that, the community center,

1265
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:13,560
regroup, are there any other ones that you may want to wait for that facility to plan to be completed before we budget for that?

1266
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:24,740
Well, I want to piggyback on that because I, when I actually had in my mind, and I was thinking about this with the parkway,

1267
01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:31,560
We can do this right or we can put lipstick on a pig we I we've I've added up about five million dollars

1268
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,260
And it's three different buildings

1269
01:45:35,060 --> 01:45:43,300
Three buildings that are not on the on our tax rolls and we're just going to keep doing this and keep doing this and

1270
01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:48,200
People are gonna say I don't have enough I don't have enough room

1271
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:53,720
I need to expand this and it obviously all falls on the backs of us taxpayers

1272
01:45:53,720 --> 01:46:01,380
So at what point do we just say okay wait can we take a moment and you're and you're this is great

1273
01:46:01,380 --> 01:46:07,480
I really appreciate this report, but this is the first opportunity we as a board have been able to say to you hey

1274
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:14,540
That $5 million this this this budget cycle and then next year the another five million dollars and the next year another

1275
01:46:14,540 --> 01:46:21,120
10 million dollars or whatever can we actually get a plan together and and get rid of some of these buildings

1276
01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:26,320
There's some constitutional officers that are in three separate buildings.

1277
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:34,600
And you know, because previous boards decided this building was going to go, let's get

1278
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:40,680
a plan, let's figure it out, and that's what I would like to see with our RCIP.

1279
01:46:41,620 --> 01:46:44,200
You know, what is the plan?

1280
01:46:44,780 --> 01:46:48,780
Again, not just for today, what's the plan for the next 10 years.

1281
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:55,120
So, I really appreciate what you're saying about getting some of these buildings off the

1282
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:59,420
tack, getting them back onto the tax rolls, you know, we've got buildings sitting on

1283
01:46:59,420 --> 01:47:06,800
that lake, that it's a beautiful lake, let's do something with that and generate something

1284
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:15,660
that will help us rather than just, you know, let, let, let, let, I'm going to stop talking.

1285
01:47:17,540 --> 01:47:21,500
but so that's where I what I would like to see I don't know if that's something we can

1286
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:27,260
accomplish in the next few months but I think there's three buildings I'm counting just

1287
01:47:27,260 --> 01:47:32,420
with five million dollars. So do you want us to I mean because obviously we can out of

1288
01:47:32,420 --> 01:47:36,460
project in there we could get quotes for a facility's master plan do I know that will be

1289
01:47:36,460 --> 01:47:43,220
done in a few months I can't imagine that it would be but we can go out and get a quote for

1290
01:47:43,220 --> 01:47:48,160
we can add it into the CIP, but again, we don't want to bring you a proposed budget with anything

1291
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:52,920
in there that you may want to wait to do. If you feel like you're going to get rid of a building

1292
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:58,960
or you may want to build a new one, that is just going to add costs. Like you said for the taxpayers,

1293
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:07,460
that won't pay off in the end. Madam Chair, Mr. Bates. Well, like in here, I see constitutional officer

1294
01:48:07,460 --> 01:48:10,540
renovations at 480,000,

1295
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:16,080
we've got, and I'm also going to ask,

1296
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,620
what's the citrus central roof coating?

1297
01:48:19,860 --> 01:48:21,540
I mean, we just did that building.

1298
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:26,520
So in 10 years, I mean, I would have to ask the facilities.

1299
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:28,620
They're the ones that entered those projects.

1300
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:30,920
I don't know if they went out and looked at it,

1301
01:48:30,940 --> 01:48:33,280
and it wasn't good.

1302
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,280
I mean, I just think that's worthy of,

1303
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:39,700
I mean, we spent a bunch of money renovating that building.

1304
01:48:39,860 --> 01:48:42,020
I don't know what was done to the roof at that time,

1305
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:45,800
but you've got the judicial infrastructure replacement.

1306
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,740
That's 211,600.

1307
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,780
You've got, which is this building.

1308
01:48:55,040 --> 01:49:01,980
You've got one to, you got three new courthouse

1309
01:49:01,980 --> 01:49:05,800
refurbishments at $70,000 each,

1310
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:14,750
you've got one, two, three, more roughly at $70,000 each

1311
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:15,810
for this building,

1312
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:27,240
you've got $580,000 into resurfacing the resource center parking lot.

1313
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:35,220
I just think it's time, I mean, we may end up doing it, it may not be feasible, but what

1314
01:49:35,220 --> 01:49:39,700
I'm saying is it's time to look before we keep putting money into air conditioners and roofs

1315
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:45,620
and paving lots and doing and changing out stuff.

1316
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:51,680
Let's look to see what we can get done and what it means to put these buildings back on

1317
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:52,580
the tax rolls.

1318
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:53,940
Is it good?

1319
01:49:55,460 --> 01:49:55,640
Yeah.

1320
01:49:58,540 --> 01:50:03,160
I appreciate having a master plan because I know sometimes if there's always space needs

1321
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:10,500
renovation we may look to go bigger. But for we completely go down a rabbit hole. If we are

1322
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:17,580
giving out buildings we have to build one first. So that all goes on the taxpayers. So we

1323
01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:22,980
have to figure out where we're getting at money. I'm okay with a long range plan. If that's

1324
01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:30,700
you know the wishes of the board. But that's going to be wildly, wildly expensive. In the

1325
01:50:30,700 --> 01:50:37,820
meantime we can't not replace air conditioning and take care of our roofs and take care of

1326
01:50:37,820 --> 01:50:43,840
our buildings because let's face it, it's going to take us from inception three or four

1327
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:50,080
years to get an animal shelter built, right? Imagine how long it's going to take if we're talking

1328
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:57,280
about putting all of these government entities in one space and I don't see that being an

1329
01:50:57,900 --> 01:51:04,040
I'm going through my head where we're property could be maybe, but you just, you can't

1330
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:09,120
start selling off buildings if you don't have any place to put, no, no, I understand that part.

1331
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:13,300
I'm just saying that I think if we look at a master plan, there's, I think there's

1332
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:14,480
a way to get this accomplished.

1333
01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:22,420
So, you know, if that would be the desire of the board planning is always great, but I

1334
01:51:22,420 --> 01:51:27,260
realize how many years that's going to take and there's no way, there's no way or

1335
01:51:27,260 --> 01:51:33,140
and I understand you can't have a price for a plate in a couple of months, because that would

1336
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:39,020
take who goes there and engineering and how much space and what's the property going to

1337
01:51:39,020 --> 01:51:44,360
look like I understand this. So in the meantime, we're going to have to take care of the things

1338
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:49,320
that we need to take care of. Now I had this conversation in my briefing the other day. I mean,

1339
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:54,600
I don't know. I would have to go visit and talk to a lot of people. I don't think that the description

1340
01:51:54,600 --> 01:52:01,040
of the need of each one was enough for me like I can't verify some of these things.

1341
01:52:01,900 --> 01:52:05,600
Do they need to be done now? Can we push them next year or five years?

1342
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,200
I'm not really sure. That's a little bit more digging that we're going to have to do.

1343
01:52:10,620 --> 01:52:11,400
Planning is wonderful,

1344
01:52:14,430 --> 01:52:17,850
but it's going to take a long time to get a whole master plan.

1345
01:52:18,430 --> 01:52:23,750
Great, and like we discussed in the briefing, if there are certain projects and sometimes

1346
01:52:24,270 --> 01:52:29,590
don't necessarily have all of the information, they just know, per se, it needs to be done,

1347
01:52:29,730 --> 01:52:34,010
or needs to be looked at, or we start saving for it. We can always go back to the Department

1348
01:52:34,010 --> 01:52:43,590
and ask for additional information, whichever ones that you need that for. But yes, we just want

1349
01:52:43,590 --> 01:52:49,850
to, when we bring you back this proposed budget, that it doesn't have something in it that you

1350
01:52:49,850 --> 01:52:56,290
don't want. That you're spending money on and then you ultimately tell us, that's not what

1351
01:52:56,290 --> 01:53:01,850
we want to spend the money on this. You're not saying you can't do it. Not saying we can't

1352
01:53:01,850 --> 01:53:10,010
still budget for it. And if you want to pull it out you can, but if we know now, that's up to you

1353
01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:14,850
all. Or if you want additional information, let me know if you want information on these projects,

1354
01:53:14,850 --> 01:53:16,870
we can get thought for you as well.

1355
01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:22,070
And I think that what I'm saying is obviously we have to fix a roof, we have to fix

1356
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:22,550
air condition.

1357
01:53:22,730 --> 01:53:28,510
What I'm saying is this board needs to be the board that looks at this hard, because if

1358
01:53:28,510 --> 01:53:32,410
we don't have this conversation, it's just going to keep going down.

1359
01:53:32,710 --> 01:53:37,630
Somebody has to make that step, and I was doing the calculations like I said, there's

1360
01:53:37,630 --> 01:53:41,430
five million, half a million of that is refurbishing.

1361
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:49,030
Some of that refurbishing, you know, can be put off, new carpeting, things, you know, we've

1362
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:53,770
got $2 million for the Coke Billion, there are $3 million for the Coke Billion, half a million

1363
01:53:53,770 --> 01:53:57,370
for cord house refurbishment, refurbishment.

1364
01:53:58,130 --> 01:54:00,250
We have to have that discussion.

1365
01:54:00,730 --> 01:54:08,390
Do we want to continue going the next year and a half for me the next three years for you

1366
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:16,630
of just keep adding to the repairs and instead of saying, let's take a beat, let's figure out a

1367
01:54:16,630 --> 01:54:24,870
plan and come up with it. Now, I know when I threw that out there, it was a conversation that

1368
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:30,950
can't be brought, you know, just miraculously happened before this budget, but I needed the conversation

1369
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:37,950
to happen. Because if there are some refurbishments, a half a million dollars that aren't really

1370
01:54:37,950 --> 01:54:43,290
necessary in this budget cycle, and we could figure out a plan and put that in that bucket

1371
01:54:44,210 --> 01:54:52,490
of future space needs. That's what we need to do. And, but again, I'm the same mindset.

1372
01:54:53,110 --> 01:55:00,050
I don't know what, you know, new courthouse, I want to chew 131 refurbishment. Is it new

1373
01:55:00,050 --> 01:55:04,170
benches? Is it carpeting? Is it? Or is it something like, you know, there's plumbing

1374
01:55:04,170 --> 01:55:10,670
you know, I don't know. A little bit more information would be helpful, but I definitely agree

1375
01:55:10,670 --> 01:55:17,750
we just have a lot of buildings that we own that are not on the tax rolls and they're getting

1376
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:28,530
older and older by the day. So, I like staff to fix this. Can we share Davis?

1377
01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:35,130
So, I really appreciate what you've put together and I very, very much appreciate my colleagues

1378
01:55:35,130 --> 01:55:37,170
for being forward-thinking.

1379
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:40,790
I'd always like to be out there forward-thinking as well.

1380
01:55:41,290 --> 01:55:49,230
And just think of the government inefficiencies of us being spread out all over the place, all over the county.

1381
01:55:49,930 --> 01:55:52,490
And Commissioner Bayes said it absolutely.

1382
01:55:52,730 --> 01:55:56,910
I've always wondered why we don't have a central complex for everything.

1383
01:55:56,910 --> 01:56:08,330
It just really makes sense for us to do that, and I do agree with her as well that this can all be figured out, you know, to your point, Commissioner Finnegan tonight.

1384
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:13,130
We can't sink the ship while we're trying to figure this out.

1385
01:56:13,310 --> 01:56:17,070
But I think all of us up here, and I really do appreciate my colleagues.

1386
01:56:17,290 --> 01:56:23,970
I'll say that again. All of us up here are looking, and I think at least I can't speak for them on this.

1387
01:56:23,970 --> 01:56:26,850
that would encourage staff to think that long ball.

1388
01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:29,590
I know our new administrator absolutely does,

1389
01:56:29,950 --> 01:56:32,270
and paint that picture of what are we going to do

1390
01:56:32,270 --> 01:56:34,750
to make this more efficient, and more attractive.

1391
01:56:35,490 --> 01:56:38,370
You know, if you have a nice master plan,

1392
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:41,430
government complex, then it's a lot more attractive.

1393
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:44,230
Is Mr. Rubio still an audience?

1394
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:46,610
He brought up, there he is, back wall.

1395
01:56:47,170 --> 01:56:49,890
He brought up, you know, making sure we have some sort of,

1396
01:56:49,890 --> 01:57:01,810
You know, modest stature, you know, stature or art element in the new animal shelter, so making it pretty and a nice place to go without going overboard, of course.

1397
01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:03,350
So anyway.

1398
01:57:04,290 --> 01:57:05,830
What would you like from us?

1399
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:07,490
And I do have one other question, I'm sorry.

1400
01:57:07,850 --> 01:57:12,690
Where is County Road, 491 from Beverly Hills to 200?

1401
01:57:12,990 --> 01:57:14,290
Where is the widening of that?

1402
01:57:14,290 --> 01:57:15,870
Where is that in the master plan?

1403
01:57:16,490 --> 01:57:22,150
I believe that is on the 5 to 10-year project list, what Commissioner Bays had mentioned,

1404
01:57:23,230 --> 01:57:28,670
$165 million dollars. That was the one I had emailed the attachment for.

1405
01:57:28,750 --> 01:57:31,990
I thought that was 41. No, that's $490.

1406
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:37,190
Oh, $490, okay. And I don't know, that's why I said I didn't know if that covered the entire area,

1407
01:57:37,190 --> 01:57:44,070
area you were looking for, but it does. I believe it's Pine Ridge out to 200. Right.

1408
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:47,650
So that is the 165 million dollars in it.

1409
01:57:47,670 --> 01:57:54,090
We're going to have some bad wrecks on that road, so that needs to somewhere.

1410
01:57:55,610 --> 01:58:03,350
And I know Mary Jensen was discussing adding a project because this is a living document.

1411
01:58:03,550 --> 01:58:05,470
I can tell you we've changed it today.

1412
01:58:05,630 --> 01:58:07,730
We've already got Griggs for projects that are in here.

1413
01:58:08,490 --> 01:58:10,770
It continues to live.

1414
01:58:10,770 --> 01:58:19,550
So, there, I'm sure will be more projects in here and probably some taken out by the time you go to approve it in September, and we let you know what those are.

1415
01:58:19,930 --> 01:58:35,150
So, we were discussing adding something in here for that project, what that is, I don't know, because it is a lot of money and how we go about acquiring that or when we start that project, I know it's something she said they'd also talk to the MPO about.

1416
01:58:37,930 --> 01:59:05,070
So is there anything and we can go back to staff and we can ask them if there's anything and we do kind of when we're having the meetings if there's anything they can push that maybe isn't absolutely necessary for that next year if you want we can go back and have that conversation with them again and say hey can you take a second look at that is there anything would you like that done or is there anything you absolutely would not want to see budgeted for

1417
01:59:06,350 --> 01:59:12,850
I would like to see more information on a few items and I would like staff to think, okay,

1418
01:59:13,110 --> 01:59:23,950
if in a perfect world we were able to have a government complex in 10 years, what could be

1419
01:59:26,210 --> 01:59:31,270
pushed towards that goal? What could get us one step closer to that goal?

1420
01:59:33,690 --> 01:59:38,470
Yeah, I was going to say more descriptive. I think if something's on this list, it needs to

1421
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:43,650
like sell it like your life depends on it. But what else I'd like to see is, you know,

1422
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:48,910
like I sell whole barns on here. Well, that may be very necessary. Maybe there's nowhere in our

1423
01:59:48,910 --> 01:59:57,070
equipment's getting runes. I don't know that. But or maybe they're forecasting. So not only sell it,

1424
01:59:57,070 --> 01:59:59,950
but we absolutely needed this year or...

1425
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
He needed within the next three years, or, you know, is there a timeline? Because I'm sure some of these things they know, like, hey, I really like it doesn't this year, but, you know, we need the roof reduffer, but it's not really a problem now. It's just getting old. It might last us another three to five years. I don't know. The ACs, how old are they? Are they really not keeping up? Or is it just, you know, we feel like they're timing out. So that's the type of information I want to see

1426
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:32,060
because maybe there's a project that's pretty important,

1427
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,160
but maybe it doesn't have to be done this year.

1428
02:00:37,140 --> 02:00:39,200
Okay, we will go back to the departments,

1429
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:41,800
and for those projects that don't,

1430
02:00:41,860 --> 02:00:43,960
especially like the each-back projects,

1431
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,700
we'll have them put in, you know,

1432
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:48,900
if there are, I know years ago there were some

1433
02:00:48,900 --> 02:00:50,320
that, you know, there were a pair of costs,

1434
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,160
had exceeded the cost of replacement.

1435
02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:57,080
So we'll have them look at that information in,

1436
02:00:59,110 --> 02:01:01,110
and, you know, we'll send that back out to you.

1437
02:01:01,110 --> 02:01:08,530
also ask them, you know, to consider if in 10 years we had a new space, would we need this

1438
02:01:09,290 --> 02:01:14,950
could it, and could it wait? So can we really wait or is it going to cause damage to the building?

1439
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:26,780
And, you know, there's, and we can talk about it later, but, you know, there's a $94,000 for

1440
02:01:26,780 --> 02:01:32,200
soccer field lighting. Again, these prices kill me.

1441
02:01:35,150 --> 02:01:36,930
Perhaps we could even reach out to do

1442
02:01:36,930 --> 02:01:44,970
energy, you know, that'll be their client and see if, you know, they can be a better community

1443
02:01:44,970 --> 02:01:51,370
partner with us about certain things and maybe get some of these. I mean, that just jumped

1444
02:01:51,370 --> 02:01:54,030
out of me, $94,000 for soccer field lighting.

1445
02:01:57,590 --> 02:02:05,630
Yes, and if you want, do you want me to go through the rest of these sides or do you want

1446
02:02:05,630 --> 02:02:05,990
to?

1447
02:02:06,410 --> 02:02:12,090
I was going to real quick just to point out some, and then if you have some comments under

1448
02:02:12,090 --> 02:02:17,830
aviation, we just wanted to let you know the Inverness Airport Business Park, that is part

1449
02:02:17,830 --> 02:02:26,790
you know, your strategic plan. They put that 375 aside every year, just to keep going

1450
02:02:26,790 --> 02:02:32,810
just to put some money away for that. Also airport landscaping signs, that was part of

1451
02:02:32,810 --> 02:02:38,630
your strategic plan as well. I believe this first year is kind of like a design. They're

1452
02:02:38,630 --> 02:02:43,430
going to be coming to you looking for some guidance as to what you all want to see from

1453
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:48,370
Parks and Recreation, the barge canal boat ramp that first one.

1454
02:02:48,630 --> 02:02:56,630
That's also part of your strategic plan and it does have some cash carry forward that you will see in the final book that comes to you in September.

1455
02:02:57,550 --> 02:03:05,490
The Artificial Reef, and handset number one, we were just notified that we did get that $1.2 million award.

1456
02:03:06,910 --> 02:03:17,450
So we've got that, further down we just wanted to point out that there is a four island trail park floating dock and a four island golf beach floating dock.

1457
02:03:17,590 --> 02:03:20,250
Those are two separate docks.

1458
02:03:21,310 --> 02:03:28,250
And then the Beverly Hills master plan that is part of your strategic plan and we're looking to fund that with impact fees.

1459
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:41,080
The next one is storm water, and just that first project, that's the water shed

1460
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:44,980
me an engine plan that we do with Swift Mud, it's an ongoing project.

1461
02:03:45,580 --> 02:03:51,960
We pay 50% they pay 50% so we continue to do that every year.

1462
02:03:55,420 --> 02:04:01,120
I'm not sure exactly what the Castle Lake flood mitigation is.

1463
02:04:02,820 --> 02:04:05,480
which is $500,000 under stormwater.

1464
02:04:15,790 --> 02:04:19,450
It looks like it was a project that was identified for flood mitigation.

1465
02:04:21,170 --> 02:04:23,690
It was documented by Swift Mud staff,

1466
02:04:24,490 --> 02:04:29,530
and County staff, the summer of 2021, when we had flood or flooding,

1467
02:04:30,130 --> 02:04:34,670
and it was prioritized due to the impact it had on the infrastructure.

1468
02:04:35,630 --> 02:04:37,410
I'd be happy to work with you.

1469
02:04:37,410 --> 02:04:47,410
I met with Congressman Bill Arrakis's office and there is a ton of money for flood mitigation from the federal level.

1470
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:55,980
Do they have that? Is that going through him like the other ones or is that an actual ring?

1471
02:04:56,180 --> 02:04:58,000
If you let me know and I'll look into it.

1472
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:03,000
You and I can go meet with them because there's various buckets of money from what I understand.

1473
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:13,580
And it's pretty much this is like one of their number one things that they're after and there's a lot of money I think I got an email on it. I'll look for it and I'll forward it to you.

1474
02:05:13,580 --> 02:05:17,560
Okay, you can. I'd be great for it. Yeah, Mr. Bays.

1475
02:05:18,860 --> 02:05:30,860
The next slide is for transportation. We wanted to point out obviously annual road resurfacing that is part of your strategic plan and you all had decided to do that.

1476
02:05:30,860 --> 02:05:38,260
four tenths of the milk from transportation tax to add to rotor servicing and then they also have

1477
02:05:38,260 --> 02:05:46,200
a scop grant where we're getting about $1.6 million to help do that road. We're going to

1478
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:53,420
try to fit all of these projects into their budget. However, generally we collect about $9 million in

1479
02:05:53,420 --> 02:06:00,340
gas tax and outside of the extra funding we're getting the projects come to about $13 million.

1480
02:06:00,860 --> 02:06:05,040
So we're going to look and see if they have any additional funds left at the end of this year.

1481
02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:07,900
Maybe a project comes in under, or they get a really great bid.

1482
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:13,800
If we can't make it all fit, we will let you know when we come to you and then July of that proposed budget.

1483
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:20,600
If there is something on here, after we speak with them and give them your direction that they still say they need.

1484
02:06:20,780 --> 02:06:23,000
But it can't be funded. They don't have the funds.

1485
02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:27,240
If you all want to fund it at that point from General Fund, you could.

1486
02:06:27,940 --> 02:06:32,340
And you said that we collect how much per year, about $9 million.

1487
02:06:32,940 --> 02:06:35,300
Okay, and there's a lot written about that.

1488
02:06:35,300 --> 02:06:37,780
Our gas taxes, what are they doing with our gas taxes?

1489
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:43,300
Well, if we collect $9 million, but for fiscal year, 2023, 2024,

1490
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:48,860
we have $18 million, $750,000 on the book.

1491
02:06:49,940 --> 02:06:51,940
So do the math.

1492
02:06:53,860 --> 02:06:56,380
The next slide is for libraries.

1493
02:06:56,380 --> 02:07:02,320
that first one is just that service for the floral city public library. The next one is a

1494
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:11,560
lakes region library renovation. The library actually has 300,000 that is going to be donated

1495
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:17,420
to them for this renovation and we were looking to see if the board might be willing to consider

1496
02:07:17,420 --> 02:07:22,060
ARPA funding for that other 300,000, the library can only

1497
02:07:22,060 --> 02:07:29,620
love you .333 mills. So for them to collect and reserve that kind of funding to

1498
02:07:29,620 --> 02:07:34,120
match that to get that renovation completed, it would take them quite a bit of time.

1499
02:07:35,460 --> 02:07:45,940
So we have that for your consideration, and we do have to bring ARPA back at some point to you to discuss some of the other projects we've heard you say you may or may not want to continue with.

1500
02:07:45,940 --> 02:07:52,340
Do you want to consensus today, or that would be great if you could have that?

1501
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:59,140
Madam Chair, I'd make a motion for a consensus. I guess it really doesn't mean I could be a motion, but I will lead the consensus on that.

1502
02:07:59,980 --> 02:08:02,960
I think rough lines would be perfect and I agree.

1503
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:03,900
I agree.

1504
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:05,300
Mr. Finning in?

1505
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,000
All right. Thank you very much.

1506
02:08:08,860 --> 02:08:09,920
See how easy that was?

1507
02:08:10,940 --> 02:08:11,900
Thank you.

1508
02:08:11,900 --> 02:08:14,960
The solid waste management is the next.

1509
02:08:15,860 --> 02:08:18,500
As you know, they're looking at a landfill expansion.

1510
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:21,780
So that project went up about $2 million per year

1511
02:08:21,780 --> 02:08:23,880
because they're having to acquire some land.

1512
02:08:24,700 --> 02:08:28,920
There's the dozer and the compactor lease that's just,

1513
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:30,620
you know, payments that we have to make.

1514
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:32,740
And then this citizen's service area.

1515
02:08:33,120 --> 02:08:35,160
That is also, they're going to have to run

1516
02:08:35,160 --> 02:08:37,140
and make that when they do the landfill expansion.

1517
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:40,120
So that was just recently updated last week

1518
02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:46,520
That will be about $5.1 million when all is set in done for the new citizen service area.

1519
02:08:49,060 --> 02:08:50,780
Utilities, water, and wastewater.

1520
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:53,480
We just can't shake.

1521
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:58,240
He should have to do this. This is the most fun.

1522
02:08:59,460 --> 02:09:00,320
I just like to eyeball.

1523
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:06,820
So as you know, utilities get quite a bit of grant funding.

1524
02:09:08,260 --> 02:09:10,900
They do have some debts, so that is on here in blue.

1525
02:09:10,900 --> 02:09:14,660
They have those septic to sewer projects.

1526
02:09:15,140 --> 02:09:17,860
You'll see some of those say low and flash grants.

1527
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:22,940
And what that is is basically they're looking to

1528
02:09:22,940 --> 02:09:25,120
do the assessments through the SRF program.

1529
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:27,720
So that way utilities and they have to front the money.

1530
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:29,300
They don't have to be the bank.

1531
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,000
SRF will do that.

1532
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:32,840
And then as they pay the money back,

1533
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,900
obviously we will make the payment to SRF for that.

1534
02:09:39,300 --> 02:09:42,400
They have a few on here that are new to Imperial Gardens.

1535
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:47,780
That was another grant we just received and anapolis Avenue force mean upgrades.

1536
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:56,310
That is an ARPA project so other than that you know they're just doing every other

1537
02:09:56,310 --> 02:09:57,490
project everywhere.

1538
02:09:58,450 --> 02:10:03,170
And very successful at grades if something happens to Ken we're just going to stuffle and stick

1539
02:10:03,170 --> 02:10:07,170
them in that office and you know because we like learning on baking.

1540
02:10:09,650 --> 02:10:19,870
because I don't know if the public's $26 million and mostly it looked like, you know, grants, grants, grants.

1541
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:32,550
Did you have fabulous job of that? And there are projects. It's one of those when you see it, it also makes you feel good because you know that it's, you know, a lot of it's really hoping the environment.

1542
02:10:33,370 --> 02:10:37,790
So, public safety is on the next slide.

1543
02:10:38,890 --> 02:10:42,330
This is our fire in our EMS, extremely important.

1544
02:10:42,630 --> 02:10:46,050
They have some things on there, new fire station eight.

1545
02:10:46,770 --> 02:10:50,850
For next year, that is just the design, they'll be looking at moving that station.

1546
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:56,210
The fire apparatus equipment capitalists, again, some dead service we have to pay.

1547
02:10:56,590 --> 02:11:00,710
And then there are two new projects, are the fire trainings in our air pack replacements.

1548
02:11:01,390 --> 02:11:07,290
That is equipment that has to be replaced, and then the fire safety house replaces.

1549
02:11:08,810 --> 02:11:11,950
We all know how I feel about that.

1550
02:11:12,170 --> 02:11:13,730
Let's try to find some grant any.

1551
02:11:15,170 --> 02:11:18,730
So the next slide is your strategic element in summary.

1552
02:11:18,850 --> 02:11:23,810
These are the projects that we've identified in the CIP that, you know,

1553
02:11:23,870 --> 02:11:27,090
really back to your strategic plan from your meeting in January.

1554
02:11:27,090 --> 02:11:32,690
It says at the bottom additional funding in future years, obviously some of these, it's just the beginning.

1555
02:11:33,770 --> 02:11:35,710
I'm going to say all of them it's just the beginning.

1556
02:11:36,210 --> 02:11:39,790
And I'm sure as time goes on, they'll be probably more in there.

1557
02:11:46,070 --> 02:11:48,270
The next is a project summary.

1558
02:11:48,830 --> 02:11:54,350
This just compares next year, 23, 24 with this year, 22, 23.

1559
02:11:55,090 --> 02:12:00,990
and these are just all of the various departments or really sections we divide the

1560
02:12:00,990 --> 02:12:08,990
projects up into so you can kind of see comparing look at them. The last slide we've

1561
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:13,450
kind of already done this but any projects that you don't want or that you feel

1562
02:12:13,450 --> 02:12:18,850
need to be incorporated. Let us know we will then like I said try to tie it all

1563
02:12:18,850 --> 02:12:22,290
into the budget, try to get it all to fit within the guidelines you've provided

1564
02:12:22,290 --> 02:12:28,770
us previously we will bring that back in July and then hopefully it's everything we want we

1565
02:12:28,770 --> 02:12:35,710
can get you that additional project and then it will be with the budget in September for adoption.

1566
02:12:38,010 --> 02:12:42,850
Here in thank you. Thank you and because I was the next one up I was tagged

1567
02:12:45,490 --> 02:12:53,870
because apparently during the time certain each one yeah we get a vote on it yeah yeah I'm going to

1568
02:12:53,870 --> 02:13:11,090
Thank you, and H5H6, Ms. Mary, Mary Jensen, Walter Easton,

1569
02:13:11,570 --> 02:13:14,110
Presentation, Regional Travel and Road impacts.

1570
02:13:16,330 --> 02:13:22,570
Why they're coming up, board, we heard the presentation on H1 and I was a remiss and not

1571
02:13:22,570 --> 02:13:29,310
asking calling for a vote. I need a motion to accept and approve the comprehensive operation

1572
02:13:29,310 --> 02:13:36,070
analysis draft final report. Looking for a motion for H1.

1573
02:13:36,350 --> 02:13:38,830
Madam Chair, motion to approve H1.

1574
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:42,970
I'm looking for second from Commissioner Bays.

1575
02:13:43,210 --> 02:13:50,530
Is there any public comment on our transit H1 presentation that we saw earlier?

1576
02:13:51,570 --> 02:13:58,450
Seeing none, is there any further board comment on H1? All in favor say aye? Aye.

1577
02:13:58,570 --> 02:14:05,270
Opposed say nay. H1 passes for zero. We are now at H5, H6.

1578
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:11,910
H6 presentation. Hey Bob, are you doing?

1579
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:21,800
So we have Walt Eastman, Bob Espicito, and Mary. No, no Mary?

1580
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:25,200
Just one.

1581
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:32,000
We're going to continue the theme of traffic and transportation and impacts.

1582
02:14:33,220 --> 02:14:36,500
The first map you see on the screen is the map of the county.

1583
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:42,800
As was discussed, we have several roads at the county that are designated as evacuation routes.

1584
02:14:43,460 --> 02:14:49,080
If you look on the map, you see the roadways indicated with a blue outline.

1585
02:14:50,180 --> 02:14:53,420
Those are the our evacuation routes in the county.

1586
02:14:53,420 --> 02:14:57,000
One very significant one is kind of a 491.

1587
02:14:57,800 --> 02:14:59,980
Also on this map is done.

1588
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,660
Just a car code of the roadway showing roadways that are being impacted or over either at or over capacity.

1589
02:15:09,460 --> 02:15:22,880
But you also need to look at the line with. The thinner red line means that those roads are approaching capacity. Once a road gets a little thicker red, you're definitely at or over capacity.

1590
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:27,860
And just to kind of use some background, the numbers with traffic.

1591
02:15:28,500 --> 02:15:32,420
This is traffic, not just within the county, or just local traffic.

1592
02:15:33,060 --> 02:15:38,900
This also includes traffic from any kind of tourism, which we love our tourists, but there

1593
02:15:38,900 --> 02:15:39,500
is an impact.

1594
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:43,980
But we're also seeing impact from outside our area.

1595
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:50,920
For example, to the right side of the page, you see I 75, that is the elephant in the room.

1596
02:15:50,920 --> 02:16:01,320
It fails repeatedly, almost daily, and when it happens, those travelers either seek alternate routes or their phones tell them alternate routes.

1597
02:16:02,700 --> 02:16:09,740
And most recently, you know, when the truck hit the bridge and 75 close, we actually felt those impacts here in Citrus County.

1598
02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:16,360
They found a way across, through Pasco County, across the 41, 44.

1599
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:21,620
So those outside the manager impacting us as well.

1600
02:16:23,200 --> 02:16:26,680
With that, we started looking, not just at our county,

1601
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:28,960
and just our neighbors to the south, which, you know,

1602
02:16:29,020 --> 02:16:32,120
our Nanda County's part of RMPO, we started to get a concern

1603
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:34,260
about outside influences.

1604
02:16:34,940 --> 02:16:36,780
And I'll bring up this second map.

1605
02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:44,440
Okay, can I ask you the two red dots on 491. Yes. What is that? Those are traffic count stations.

1606
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:50,420
Okay, it's impossible. I know it's very bad, but yes, those are traffic count stations.

1607
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:52,400
Thank you. Yes.

1608
02:16:53,460 --> 02:16:55,040
And now bring up a second map.

1609
02:16:57,660 --> 02:17:01,840
Which I can zoom out here.

1610
02:17:08,230 --> 02:17:10,790
Okay, now this has the same roadway network.

1611
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:15,070
But now you're also seeing hot spots of

1612
02:17:15,070 --> 02:17:16,990
a densification of population.

1613
02:17:18,550 --> 02:17:20,210
And you can see the areas within Citrus,

1614
02:17:20,290 --> 02:17:21,850
the kind of matches what makes sense.

1615
02:17:22,130 --> 02:17:25,370
You know, that's the center ridge, those areas are growing out.

1616
02:17:25,650 --> 02:17:27,890
But if you look toward neighbors to the North,

1617
02:17:27,970 --> 02:17:31,770
the actual county, to the east, you have a Cala and the villages.

1618
02:17:32,910 --> 02:17:35,290
Of course, to our South Pasco County Spring Hill areas.

1619
02:17:36,270 --> 02:17:38,250
Those are all generating traffic.

1620
02:17:38,250 --> 02:17:47,230
And you can see on the map, SR-200 is approaching capacity, 75 again, it's over-capacity

1621
02:17:47,230 --> 02:17:51,690
and fails, steroid-44 has times where it is over-capacity.

1622
02:17:54,130 --> 02:18:01,350
So this is also the ed that I recently just saw a video on Marion Town.

1623
02:18:01,350 --> 02:18:10,730
Barry County is about to invest almost $290 million in infrastructure. One of those projects

1624
02:18:10,730 --> 02:18:17,070
is an off ramp off a 75 to a roadway over 200, which is going to be the home for a buck

1625
02:18:17,070 --> 02:18:23,210
east. Yes, so all of this is going to again generate traffic. They're going to look for alternative

1626
02:18:23,210 --> 02:18:24,090
routes.

1627
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:32,320
Well on the legend, it says total population, what are those numbers there? It didn't

1628
02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:32,820
We have a number.

1629
02:18:33,060 --> 02:18:33,740
It just gives density.

1630
02:18:34,340 --> 02:18:36,440
And what does it say under total population?

1631
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:38,440
He says yellow and then the red.

1632
02:18:38,580 --> 02:18:38,600
Yeah.

1633
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:40,540
It just says dense.

1634
02:18:40,780 --> 02:18:42,720
Let's see if I can zoom in a little bit more.

1635
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:45,320
It's sparse and dense.

1636
02:18:45,460 --> 02:18:46,320
Sparse and dense.

1637
02:18:46,340 --> 02:18:46,900
Thank you.

1638
02:18:52,500 --> 02:19:01,160
So the timing of this was kind of ironic because recently Bob, Mr. Esposito, the MPO, they just recently

1639
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:03,140
completed a study with a suncoast.

1640
02:19:03,140 --> 02:19:07,300
and looking at impacts to roadways here in a county.

1641
02:19:08,420 --> 02:19:10,720
And I don't want to steal Bob's thunder,

1642
02:19:10,900 --> 02:19:12,300
but one thing I do want to use notice

1643
02:19:12,300 --> 02:19:16,020
when we get into this presentation is the impact

1644
02:19:16,020 --> 02:19:18,140
counter road 491.

1645
02:19:19,820 --> 02:19:23,060
You'll see in a presentation that the piece

1646
02:19:23,060 --> 02:19:26,800
from Pine Bridge to 200 is going to go to at level F.

1647
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:31,480
So we're definitely going to pay attention to that roadway.

1648
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:33,500
Come with that. I'll turn it over to Bob.

1649
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:40,030
I'm sure.

1650
02:19:43,660 --> 02:19:44,240
You want me to pause?

1651
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:47,940
I have no. I've heard this. I need to take a.

1652
02:19:47,940 --> 02:19:48,100
All right.

1653
02:19:49,440 --> 02:19:52,640
Well, before you leave, Madam Chair, I'm Bob Esposito with our

1654
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:54,600
Andres Citrus IPO, the Executive Director.

1655
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:56,140
Thank you for.

1656
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,940
MPR County Board for having me here today.

1657
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:01,240
Thank you.

1658
02:20:01,580 --> 02:20:02,480
I can hear you, Bob.

1659
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:06,400
It's a long running job.

1660
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:07,560
You know where to find me.

1661
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:10,640
It's a long running job that I asked to have a

1662
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:13,420
speaker put in the rest room so we missed a moment.

1663
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:14,460
There you go.

1664
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:14,960
Right idea.

1665
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:27,080
As Walt said earlier, the MPO did a court or study, did a phase two on the Turkey

1666
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:33,400
O bypass study and basically the second part of the study and the county requested the review

1667
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:38,200
of the Sancao's Parkway impacts to specific roadways and that's the left map on your

1668
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:39,880
screen right there.

1669
02:20:39,880 --> 02:20:45,080
Since the study started construction of the Suncows Parkway north of North of counter

1670
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:49,600
road 4 to 86 to U.S. 19 has been accelerated.

1671
02:20:50,340 --> 02:20:55,620
We really didn't anticipate the Suncows Parkway being accelerated so fast, but it's actually

1672
02:20:55,620 --> 02:21:02,060
going to be up to red-level north of Crystal River probably within the next six to seven

1673
02:21:02,060 --> 02:21:02,340
years.

1674
02:21:02,580 --> 02:21:04,180
It's going to move that fast.

1675
02:21:04,180 --> 02:21:12,060
So, really, that's going to be the natural bypass for the folks in Crystal River, the Sun Coast Parkway.

1676
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:23,540
And as you can see on the right map, there, we're actually getting to the point that Florida Turnpike Enterprise is getting ready to start that project as we speak.

1677
02:21:24,340 --> 02:21:30,420
And they, on the last portion, but they actually moved, they were way ahead of schedule, which was great. Next slide, please.

1678
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:42,300
Using the FDOT's regional model, 2040, 2045 forecast, there were three alternatives prepared.

1679
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:52,380
As you can see, the scenario, a Sunco's Parkway Terminus at 486, b is the Terminus at 486 plus improvements

1680
02:21:52,380 --> 02:21:57,800
that U.S. 19, adding dual southbound to eastbound left-turn lanes

1681
02:21:58,420 --> 02:22:02,260
at Citrus Avenue, left-turn lane, right-turn lanes on each approach,

1682
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:09,080
and at state road 44, westbound and northbound, right-turn lane, and dual southbound to eastbound left-turn lanes.

1683
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:16,740
Recommended that we focus on Parkway A, Parkway at a county road 46,

1684
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:21,240
and B, Parkway to U.S. 19, be the focus of today's presentation.

1685
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:26,680
alternative be included improvements to the turkey oak and did not significantly change the

1686
02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:35,920
results of the analysis. Remainter that the purpose of this phase of the study was to identify

1687
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:43,700
which roadways would be most impacted by the Sun Coast Parkway related traffic to which may

1688
02:22:43,700 --> 02:22:51,220
become deficient. The volumes presented are order of magnitude volumes and are not meant to be

1689
02:22:51,220 --> 02:23:01,440
For Sunco's Parkway, volume forecast, please consult with the Florida turn pipe enterprise and we can reach out to them, or maybe the board can reach out directly.

1690
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:03,800
Next slide, please.

1691
02:23:09,980 --> 02:23:13,060
Today, again, we're going to focus on the corridors of the greatest concern.

1692
02:23:13,720 --> 02:23:21,140
The first is County Road 491, as Walt mentioned earlier, and that's been brought up earlier from Cardinal Street to Grover Cleveland.

1693
02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:29,160
I'll turn it a at 7800 trips and it's a level of service F.

1694
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:35,240
Alternative C is 3,000 trips and it's a level of service E.

1695
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:41,040
Some of the Sancao's Parkway trips are local and not inverted regional trips.

1696
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:45,820
Those may have used US-19 or other roads.

1697
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:47,380
Next slide, please.

1698
02:23:49,540 --> 02:23:56,520
The second is county road 491 from Le Canto Highway from Pine Ridge State Road 200.

1699
02:23:57,440 --> 02:24:06,580
Again, alternative A is 5,000 trips and it's a level service F and alternative C is a level service E.

1700
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:12,120
The recommendations are to continue to seek funding for state road 44 in Turkey,

1701
02:24:12,120 --> 02:24:14,740
to drive for intersection improvements.

1702
02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:21,240
Secraditional court or funding and improvements for county road 491 and state road 200.

1703
02:24:22,620 --> 02:24:28,900
And the 2050 long range transportation plan coordinate with FDOT and forecast external

1704
02:24:28,900 --> 02:24:31,640
station volumes on US-19.

1705
02:24:32,120 --> 02:24:37,540
Update forecast population employment to address Sancos Parkway and update assessment of

1706
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:39,260
the Sancos Parkway impacts.

1707
02:24:40,600 --> 02:24:42,420
Any questions or comments?

1708
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:46,540
Mr. Bays.

1709
02:24:50,140 --> 02:25:01,120
I know that we have traffic counts on the Suncos Parkway, but I would specifically like to have an origin destination study that identifies

1710
02:25:02,360 --> 02:25:12,940
where those people are coming from and going to that are entering exiting so that we can tell by their license plates

1711
02:25:15,150 --> 02:25:22,790
where they're from. I think that's going to be highly important to us. And then the next thing is I would just say that

1712
02:25:24,490 --> 02:25:32,350
From a state and an MPO level, I would like to continue the focus on getting some help since the states identified

1713
02:25:32,990 --> 02:25:39,750
491 as a evacuation route. And we know that 19 is a high coastal flood area

1714
02:25:40,370 --> 02:25:43,770
and a likelihood of that being closed down in evacuation

1715
02:25:45,150 --> 02:25:53,250
that's probably not going to be an alternative, so for 91 is our evacuation route. I'd like to

1716
02:25:53,250 --> 02:26:01,410
work with the state closer on that to find more additional funding that's not directly on the

1717
02:26:01,410 --> 02:26:07,090
back of citrus county at 50% at 165 million. We can look into that absolutely.

1718
02:26:09,490 --> 02:26:10,570
Just so you all know

1719
02:26:10,570 --> 02:26:18,130
I did ask Commissioner Slayabon, Commissioner Canard, or on the MPO board, and I asked them

1720
02:26:18,130 --> 02:26:23,050
months ago, six, seven, eight months ago, to do additional counts on state road, 200,

1721
02:26:23,730 --> 02:26:30,530
and U.S. 41, mainly because we know those roads are failing, and if it comes back that we

1722
02:26:30,530 --> 02:26:34,930
can prove to the state that it's failing, maybe we can get some additional money for those

1723
02:26:34,930 --> 02:26:41,470
roads, so the counts should be wrapped up as of hopefully this week and we should have more data

1724
02:26:41,470 --> 02:26:43,270
hopefully at the next MPO board meeting.

1725
02:26:43,430 --> 02:26:44,490
I'm sure.

1726
02:26:45,170 --> 02:26:46,050
Mr. Bays.

1727
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:48,290
The wall touched on a little bit earlier.

1728
02:26:48,650 --> 02:26:57,430
The governor fast tracked that interchange on 75 for the buccas, which is also the bypass that

1729
02:26:57,430 --> 02:27:03,810
Mary and County is planning around the World Equestrian Center and it's my understanding

1730
02:27:03,810 --> 02:27:11,550
is going to come out somewhere about top of the world in 200 and if 75 has an incident

1731
02:27:11,550 --> 02:27:16,230
on it, people are going to get on their phone and they're probably going to use that

1732
02:27:16,230 --> 02:27:22,530
get on 200 and find their way down 491, which is going to have additional impacts on us.

1733
02:27:23,710 --> 02:27:30,950
That's one issue. Second issue is they've got to do something to address that bridge on 200.

1734
02:27:31,650 --> 02:27:33,890
That is a disaster.

1735
02:27:35,870 --> 02:27:36,970
I would agree with that.

1736
02:27:37,350 --> 02:27:41,890
I actually talk regularly with my counterpart, Rob Bommas, from the Ocalamary and TPO,

1737
02:27:42,470 --> 02:27:45,990
and there are only six miles from the Citrus County line.

1738
02:27:46,750 --> 02:27:51,690
So those are why we're looking at trying to find additional funding for state road 200.

1739
02:27:52,470 --> 02:27:55,130
We know this whole area is problematic.

1740
02:27:55,530 --> 02:28:00,550
And we do know that as we had a meeting with Florida Turnpike Enterprise last month.

1741
02:28:00,550 --> 02:28:05,410
that they're going to start doing a more holistic, regional study for the area, and I believe

1742
02:28:05,410 --> 02:28:07,770
it was from almost Gainesville down there.

1743
02:28:08,250 --> 02:28:13,050
I was going to mention, as you've heard, some things we can control here in the county, it's

1744
02:28:13,050 --> 02:28:17,210
other doorstep, but a lot of what you're hearing is outside our region, even outside our

1745
02:28:17,210 --> 02:28:17,690
MPO.

1746
02:28:18,330 --> 02:28:24,130
So we have approached the state DOT to ask for them to participate in the regional traffic

1747
02:28:24,130 --> 02:28:30,130
model to help us better determine what impacts are coming our way, and what we can do as a

1748
02:28:30,130 --> 02:28:36,330
group, the state and county, what we can do to put itself in best position to grow and develop

1749
02:28:36,330 --> 02:28:39,410
responsibly and protect our capacity in our roadways.

1750
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:46,290
Basically, on a regular basis, I'm begging District 7 first, much money as we can get.

1751
02:28:46,510 --> 02:28:51,990
They actually work kind enough to give us about 2.3 million additional dollars from working

1752
02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:57,570
with work program towards U.S. 41, so anywhere we can find money, as I say, roads don't

1753
02:28:57,570 --> 02:29:04,570
themselves. Right, I would just like to add one other thing. Yes, being. A few months back,

1754
02:29:04,770 --> 02:29:12,430
Commissioner Canard had brought up a stoplight at Gospel Island on 44 and recently the state

1755
02:29:12,430 --> 02:29:21,590
put funding into repaying from 44 out to 75 and so I thought, oh, this is the perfect time to ask

1756
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:27,110
and at that time when Commissioner Canard or Commissioner Canard had asked, they wanted us to have about

1757
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:33,670
$100,000 to add to that, and the state has come back now, and they're going to fully fund that white.

1758
02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:42,130
So I'm very pleased, and again, I've sent my email off thinking them, but I want to thank again, and thank you for pushing that along.

1759
02:29:42,410 --> 02:29:42,890
You're welcome.

1760
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:49,890
I reached out to the folks at FDOT, and they were kind enough to agree to put a traffic signal in there, and they are not cheap.

1761
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:51,730
So you're welcome.

1762
02:29:53,370 --> 02:29:58,090
Another thing, it's not your money, it's a good thing, right?

1763
02:29:58,870 --> 02:29:59,970
Also working with...

1764
02:30:00,860 --> 02:30:07,460
The FDOT traffic safety, I know they were wanting RRFBs, which are rectangular rapid flashing

1765
02:30:07,460 --> 02:30:12,160
beacons along with the Gucci State Trail over here in Invernison. There was some discussion

1766
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:20,200
back and forth that I was able to get DOT to acquiesce and do the study and they're going to supply

1767
02:30:20,200 --> 02:30:24,920
the RRBs, but the Invernison's going to have to install them in maintain them, and that's typical.

1768
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:27,940
Also, anything else?

1769
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:29,320
Thank you.

1770
02:30:29,740 --> 02:30:32,780
I appreciate all the work that you put into this, your contacts.

1771
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:37,700
As you know, chair the MPO, I've sit with you and work with you a lot and I've heard

1772
02:30:37,700 --> 02:30:43,460
a lot of this and we're heading in the right direction, we're moving forward.

1773
02:30:44,020 --> 02:30:46,860
But is there any other questions for Mr. Esposito?

1774
02:30:46,860 --> 02:30:48,500
We do have a presentation.

1775
02:30:48,820 --> 02:30:53,460
I have got to get to cut you off short, but if you have any questions, make it quick.

1776
02:30:53,460 --> 02:30:54,460
Thank you.

1777
02:30:55,080 --> 02:30:55,240
Thank you.

1778
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:55,580
My pleasure.

1779
02:30:55,900 --> 02:30:56,140
Thank you.

1780
02:30:56,640 --> 02:30:57,140
Thank you.

1781
02:30:57,260 --> 02:30:58,360
Thank you so much.

1782
02:30:58,760 --> 02:30:59,220
Thank you.

1783
02:30:59,800 --> 02:31:00,360
Thank you.

1784
02:31:01,060 --> 02:31:01,400
Absolutely.

1785
02:31:02,120 --> 02:31:02,380
Okay.

1786
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:04,360
We have to jump and I'm so sorry.

1787
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:06,860
This one is a little longer than we thought.

1788
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:08,460
But H2?

1789
02:31:09,960 --> 02:31:11,520
What number E2?

1790
02:31:12,420 --> 02:31:12,980
E2.

1791
02:31:15,440 --> 02:31:16,320
Make it quick.

1792
02:31:19,960 --> 02:31:21,000
Yes, we did.

1793
02:31:22,780 --> 02:31:23,340
E2.

1794
02:31:23,340 --> 02:31:27,760
We're jumping all over the place today is the new animal shelter.

1795
02:31:28,420 --> 02:31:37,600
We select the preferred new animal shelter conceptual design and I'm just going to go out there

1796
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:45,620
and I'm going to say, board, I would like to make a motion to approve A2 and identifying

1797
02:31:45,620 --> 02:31:49,760
this funding sources is through debt issuance.

1798
02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:56,180
I'm making that motion. I will be looking for second. Thank you.

1799
02:31:56,180 --> 02:32:06,260
I have a motion made by Commissioner Slava, a second by Commissioner Davis. Is there any public comment on the animal shelter?

1800
02:32:09,950 --> 02:32:15,030
Please come forward on E2.

1801
02:32:16,050 --> 02:32:17,590
Fill out your green card.

1802
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:26,940
Thank you for a very productive morning. What's your name?

1803
02:32:26,940 --> 02:32:29,040
I don't know, I am.

1804
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,300
I have a lot more to say.

1805
02:32:31,620 --> 02:32:32,060
I am.

1806
02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:35,760
Again, I thank you, I'm very glad you came to this decision.

1807
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:42,160
But I am here to send major kudos to commissioner base.

1808
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:44,480
You know, we're talking about the animal shelter right?

1809
02:32:48,260 --> 02:32:48,700
Nanananananananananan!

1810
02:32:48,860 --> 02:32:52,080
I'm so sorry to throw it out there.

1811
02:32:52,540 --> 02:32:53,240
Oh, my god.

1812
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:54,760
The new girls get all the attention.

1813
02:32:55,680 --> 02:33:03,340
She asked a very pointed question about breeding and ordinances in Citrus County.

1814
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,480
So I don't get lost.

1815
02:33:07,740 --> 02:33:14,580
Our animal shelters and their employees and their charges, they deserve a safe updated

1816
02:33:14,580 --> 02:33:16,100
and comfortable environment.

1817
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:23,620
I believe there are more animals than there are homes and I put a lot of blame on breeders

1818
02:33:23,620 --> 02:33:25,920
for profit or from ignites.

1819
02:33:26,780 --> 02:33:29,900
We need prevention, unwanted animals,

1820
02:33:30,680 --> 02:33:32,520
the throwaways, and the abused,

1821
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:34,900
or why we need expanded shelters.

1822
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:36,480
Thank you.

1823
02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:37,340
Thank you, Donna.

1824
02:33:37,740 --> 02:33:38,300
Thank you.

1825
02:33:41,790 --> 02:33:42,010
Hello.

1826
02:33:42,550 --> 02:33:42,770
Hi.

1827
02:33:43,210 --> 02:33:46,190
Wanda Moe, Citrus County Foundation for Animal Protection,

1828
02:33:46,910 --> 02:33:49,990
just wanted to say a major thank you to this group.

1829
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:52,370
This has been so needed for so long

1830
02:33:52,370 --> 02:33:55,210
and you are the ones who are doing it

1831
02:33:55,210 --> 02:34:00,910
becoming part of a very important part of Citrus County history. What you vote on today

1832
02:34:00,910 --> 02:34:08,810
will last us for the next 50 years or so, and I was very encouraged that you see the need

1833
02:34:08,810 --> 02:34:14,770
for the larger shelter, the larger option. And I can't thank you enough for all your work,

1834
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:20,570
and you're amazing, and I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you, want to thank you for everything

1835
02:34:20,570 --> 02:34:21,730
you do.

1836
02:34:24,920 --> 02:34:30,480
Hello. Hello. My name is Alice Weer. I was unable to get to the workshop this morning.

1837
02:34:31,180 --> 02:34:37,600
However, I've got a couple of questions if you don't mind. I went to the website last night,

1838
02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:45,760
and all I could see was maybe four rectangles with different rooms in them. And I was wondering

1839
02:34:46,600 --> 02:34:54,820
The price tags, let's say the $6 million price tag. Does that include fixtures? Does it

1840
02:34:54,820 --> 02:35:01,220
include a washer or a dryer? Does it include a exam table? Does it include the things

1841
02:35:01,220 --> 02:35:05,500
that are cages? Does it include anything except the walls?

1842
02:35:10,040 --> 02:35:11,460
We will answer your questions.

1843
02:35:11,820 --> 02:35:17,220
Is that all the questions you have? When everybody's done, then we'll answer the questions.

1844
02:35:17,220 --> 02:35:20,200
Oh, are you for the shelter?

1845
02:35:20,580 --> 02:35:21,100
I'm sorry.

1846
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:22,440
Are you for the shelter?

1847
02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:27,160
I am definitely for a shelter, but I am also definitely appalled

1848
02:35:27,160 --> 02:35:32,800
at the amount of money for what apparently we are getting.

1849
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:35,820
And I find that that is

1850
02:35:38,320 --> 02:35:39,720
appalling.

1851
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:47,420
So we say you can build a 2600 square foot house

1852
02:35:47,420 --> 02:35:53,720
with alumni and poor $400,000, $300,000.

1853
02:35:53,720 --> 02:35:57,480
Three bedrooms, two baths living room, dining room, kitchen, et cetera.

1854
02:35:57,820 --> 02:36:04,000
But it includes, it includes those things that includes a sink.

1855
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:05,100
It includes covers.

1856
02:36:05,340 --> 02:36:06,200
It includes paint.

1857
02:36:06,460 --> 02:36:08,180
It includes insulation.

1858
02:36:08,480 --> 02:36:09,920
It includes all these things.

1859
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:15,720
And I was wondering also, is this going to be, there was no, no.

1860
02:36:18,180 --> 02:36:22,480
description of the outside. Is this going to be a metal building with the metal roof?

1861
02:36:24,820 --> 02:36:31,600
If so, I'm not at all sure, but what type of insulation are you going to have?

1862
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:40,300
Are they going to have in that metal thing that will prevent it from sounding like a war zone,

1863
02:36:40,500 --> 02:36:45,760
every time it rains hard? I have a metal roof on my barn. My barn is open,

1864
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:54,760
but it's got a metal roof. I cannot imagine if it was enclosed with a metal roof and very little buffering shall we say.

1865
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:56,140
Thank you.

1866
02:36:56,460 --> 02:36:56,880
Thank you.

1867
02:36:57,540 --> 02:36:57,620
Thank you.

1868
02:36:58,080 --> 02:36:59,040
Next speaker, please.

1869
02:37:05,960 --> 02:37:08,060
Hi, Diane Liptec again, her name is Connie.

1870
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:20,480
I want to thank you for taking the time to actually very carefully review all the angles and aspects that are involved in an animal shelter.

1871
02:37:20,480 --> 02:37:25,300
I mean, these are the animals that are lost to society.

1872
02:37:26,460 --> 02:37:31,760
But the people who are taken care of them are also the people who have extended their

1873
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:34,420
hearts and their souls to take care of the animals.

1874
02:37:35,420 --> 02:37:37,060
And it's a big endeavor.

1875
02:37:38,860 --> 02:37:44,560
They come in in all different conditions and what has happened at this particular place.

1876
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:53,200
It has so long since outgrown its ability to function properly that the staff has become lost.

1877
02:37:54,840 --> 02:37:57,020
It's just very difficult to keep up with it.

1878
02:37:57,140 --> 02:38:02,980
So the fact that you're actually considering doing something that is going to provide the right size,

1879
02:38:03,100 --> 02:38:12,220
the right equipment, the right space, the right air conditioning, and clean facility, is a lot of all.

1880
02:38:12,220 --> 02:38:16,560
I just I can't thank you enough. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1881
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:16,560
Thank

1882
02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:25,580
you. Is there any other? Okay. I want to close the public portion of this. I just

1883
02:38:25,580 --> 02:38:31,480
want to say this is not a metal building with a tin roof and this is also not a home.

1884
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:38,240
I do appreciate what you're saying about the cost. We have raised 3 million Indonesians. I think

1885
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:44,320
that's a tip of the iceberg. We have commercial property. I have a motion on the floor for the

1886
02:38:44,320 --> 02:38:50,880
A2, and I'm million dollar building, which is what we ask for from the architect and the engineering firm.

1887
02:38:52,200 --> 02:38:59,780
And I just, and I don't mean this in any disrespect, but this is a hospital that is being built.

1888
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:10,020
And my home, yes, it is, you know, say it took 150, 200, I don't know what they go for now, but say it's 200 square foot.

1889
02:39:10,020 --> 02:39:18,440
This is 350 square foot. It's a commercial hospital building and my guests don't defecate and

1890
02:39:18,440 --> 02:39:26,660
urinate on my floor. And that's why you have piping, you have sanitary measures. You're cleaning

1891
02:39:26,660 --> 02:39:32,580
these floors two, three times a day. So that's why you have to have the proper drainage and

1892
02:39:32,580 --> 02:39:37,820
sewage system through these things. But as a sticker shock, yes it is, but I'm going to tell

1893
02:39:37,820 --> 02:39:42,640
this is important and it's never going to be cheaper to build this building than it is today.

1894
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:48,400
We have put it off for 20 years. I have spent the last two years. I got a three-two vote from

1895
02:39:48,400 --> 02:39:52,540
the previous board. Commissioner Davis has been there with me from the beginning.

1896
02:39:53,880 --> 02:39:58,660
If we had built it two years ago, it would have been considerably less expensive.

1897
02:39:59,420 --> 02:40:04,820
But I am so glad I have a motion on the floor. We have taken public comment. Is there any additional

1898
02:40:04,820 --> 02:40:13,060
board comments? Mr. Finnegan. So part of your most of them in agreement with. I agree to

1899
02:40:13,060 --> 02:40:19,380
go with option two. I think those of you that missed the workshop this morning. I don't agree

1900
02:40:19,380 --> 02:40:25,560
with the numbers but I do agree with the building and just because the numbers are here,

1901
02:40:26,860 --> 02:40:31,860
a 9 million dollar building, it doesn't mean that's what will be bid on it. It can definitely come

1902
02:40:31,860 --> 02:40:37,700
much lower than that. We've got a great staff that's looking after this and they understand

1903
02:40:37,700 --> 02:40:44,180
what crisis should be and they're going to be watching out for that as will we all. The part

1904
02:40:44,180 --> 02:40:54,160
I'm not with you on is securing the loan because we gave that's farm all that extra time which

1905
02:40:54,160 --> 02:41:00,420
should be coming to a head and with the money that we have, you said this morning that you have

1906
02:41:00,420 --> 02:41:05,900
million dollars, donors ready to go. You add that with what we have. We have that's

1907
02:41:05,900 --> 02:41:10,160
farm. I just, I don't know that we're going to need a loan. I hope that we wouldn't

1908
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:14,360
need a loan and then how much to secure if we do. So I would like to see the money

1909
02:41:14,360 --> 02:41:20,360
come in. Well, I said, we have to, we have to say where funding is coming from. It doesn't

1910
02:41:20,360 --> 02:41:24,840
matter if it's going to be a million or nine million. We don't know what it will be until

1911
02:41:24,840 --> 02:41:34,000
we get the step taken. So I said through debt issuance. So that could either be loans, bonds,

1912
02:41:34,740 --> 02:41:41,260
donations, sale of land, that's why I said debt issuance. Very clear because we don't know

1913
02:41:41,260 --> 02:41:49,220
until we get this out to bid and we see more donations that come in. But we have to do this step

1914
02:41:49,220 --> 02:41:55,020
in order to even go to the next step. We can talk about it for another two years, but

1915
02:41:55,020 --> 02:42:01,620
we have to identify the funding source. So, again, I agree with you. It could be much less,

1916
02:42:02,260 --> 02:42:05,200
but debt issuances where it would be the funding source.

1917
02:42:05,320 --> 02:42:09,180
Well, I think that was my point that I didn't want debt because if we sell this property,

1918
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:14,220
everyone says we're going to sell this property. Everyone had faith in this person that we're selling this property.

1919
02:42:15,480 --> 02:42:24,240
don't we wait a couple months before we get debt issuance, before we, and Aaron, I don't know, or Steve, we just don't know how we're able to.

1920
02:42:25,220 --> 02:42:26,560
What Aaron, come forward, please?

1921
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:31,160
How, how the timeline on that works, or debt issuance?

1922
02:42:33,200 --> 02:42:35,420
If this motion goes through, Aaron.

1923
02:42:36,780 --> 02:42:42,880
So we wouldn't necessarily go right now because we don't have the cost of that, we need to issue.

1924
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:44,860
So that would come back to you.

1925
02:42:45,160 --> 02:42:47,380
It's something we'd give at the financial advisor on.

1926
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:56,780
We'd look at the interest rates and depending on how much you need to borrow or if you want to look at possible other projects would be better to go with a loan or a bond.

1927
02:42:56,960 --> 02:43:02,160
So this doesn't mean that you're going out tomorrow and getting the debt.

1928
02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:07,400
It just means that these are the funding sources we're going to use.

1929
02:43:07,400 --> 02:43:15,280
And if you all want to wait another however many months on Bets Farm, I know we talked about earlier.

1930
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:20,640
We're still only at like 30% design so they need to finish design first.

1931
02:43:21,900 --> 02:43:36,680
So yeah it would always come back to you but it's just we're looking at it as is it just going to be cash funding or is it going to be donations and

1932
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:43,640
some type of dot issuance at some level regardless of what that is when the time comes.

1933
02:43:45,380 --> 02:43:52,600
And I would say that would work for me if we said moving ahead because we have a while to go.

1934
02:43:52,840 --> 02:43:59,300
With cash on hand and then in the event that we don't reach this estimated cost and it costs that much,

1935
02:43:59,560 --> 02:44:01,300
then we move to debt issuance.

1936
02:44:01,500 --> 02:44:02,280
Are you comfortable with that?

1937
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:08,900
No, the motion on the floor is A2 and I've, you know, and, and, and, and did

1938
02:44:08,900 --> 02:44:13,520
if I ensources through debtster issuance, I didn't mean that no so hard, but, um,

1939
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:19,260
no, that's what's on the floor and you can vote what you feel you, you know, on that

1940
02:44:19,260 --> 02:44:19,720
motion.

1941
02:44:20,020 --> 02:44:20,320
I understand.

1942
02:44:20,600 --> 02:44:21,760
Thank you.

1943
02:44:22,020 --> 02:44:22,600
Madam Chair.

1944
02:44:22,980 --> 02:44:24,280
Thank you, thank you.

1945
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:24,860
Thank you, Aaron.

1946
02:44:25,320 --> 02:44:30,100
Just as a point of clarification, um, value engineering will happen after the

1947
02:44:30,100 --> 02:44:34,280
start coming in, right, which hopefully, as you've said, will hopefully reduce it.

1948
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:39,320
And second up, this is this is the step necessary to get the train to leave the station.

1949
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:44,900
It doesn't mean there's not another station where we get to vote again on whatever funding

1950
02:44:44,900 --> 02:44:50,400
ends up needing to be dealt with, okay, bads closes, all these other things.

1951
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:56,320
So I remain helpful, though it will be able to do it without that, and that would certainly

1952
02:44:56,320 --> 02:44:59,580
I think all of our preference. Is that help at all?

1953
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:26,080
I just feel like you further made my point. Yeah, but we have to choose this step in order to go to the next step. And that's why, you know, it's not a very hard, but it's two years I've been talking about this. We just have to move forward. We don't even know what we're going to be getting with the debt until we go to this next step. So I have a motion on the floor a second. I would like to call the question.

1954
02:45:28,620 --> 02:45:32,980
All in favors say I, I oppose say nay.

1955
02:45:33,340 --> 02:45:35,800
Okay, so that passes three, one.

1956
02:45:36,460 --> 02:45:37,900
We are moving forward people.

1957
02:45:38,100 --> 02:45:39,680
Thank you so much.

1958
02:45:42,140 --> 02:45:44,000
Very good.

1959
02:45:44,680 --> 02:45:49,560
And Madam Chair, I just want to point out that if I wasn't caught off and I had something

1960
02:45:49,560 --> 02:45:54,060
for that to say I'm may have went ahead with that, but I didn't need to get caught off.

1961
02:45:54,060 --> 02:45:55,720
I just sorry you felt you would cut off.

1962
02:45:55,720 --> 02:46:05,740
like I asked if there was more comments and you were quiet so no okay well very good I

1963
02:46:05,740 --> 02:46:10,620
didn't I don't I don't believe I've cut you off though I'm so sorry you feel that way I will be

1964
02:46:10,620 --> 02:46:19,640
cognizant of that okay so now we are going back to open to the public and if you can remember

1965
02:46:19,640 --> 02:46:25,760
the line you were in, believe the gentleman in the the garnet shirt was first here

1966
02:46:28,350 --> 02:46:29,090
and you

1967
02:46:29,090 --> 02:46:31,110
the only one I could remember that was first.

1968
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:44,800
Okay folks I need you to to quiet down a little

1969
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:50,520
bit so that we can hear the next speaker. Thank you sir. Yeah three minutes. Good afternoon.

1970
02:46:51,740 --> 02:46:58,580
I moved to Citrus County 47 years ago because it was a beautiful place. It still has a beautiful

1971
02:46:58,580 --> 02:47:04,780
place. When we talk, I'm sorry I need your name and we. Oh, I'm sorry. My name is Len Kelly.

1972
02:47:07,100 --> 02:47:07,620
And I live in

1973
02:47:07,620 --> 02:47:19,150
Citrus County on Bismarck on Brandon's Brandon Street. I've been in business here since 1980. I came in

1974
02:47:19,150 --> 02:47:27,290
76 since 1980. I've been a builder and a realtor. And I've had to live under all the federal regulations

1975
02:47:29,310 --> 02:47:36,470
against discrimination of race, creed, sexual orientation, just as we all, and I agree with

1976
02:47:36,470 --> 02:47:41,150
every bit of that that we should not discriminate against any of that.

1977
02:47:42,310 --> 02:47:49,370
The flip side of that coin is we shouldn't promote based upon sexual orientation.

1978
02:47:49,370 --> 02:48:00,990
I think we can all agree that LGBT that acronym refers to sexual orientation, not color,

1979
02:48:01,310 --> 02:48:05,250
not creed, not race, but sexual orientation.

1980
02:48:07,500 --> 02:48:13,820
Consequently, if we shouldn't discriminate against sexual orientation, we shouldn't promote

1981
02:48:13,820 --> 02:48:22,760
sexual orientation. We should promote against white Christian because there's a whole bunch

1982
02:48:22,760 --> 02:48:31,120
of black Christian in this county, not just white, and we should not promote based upon my

1983
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:43,040
sexual orientation. Whatever that might be, I don't care what someone else is, and I don't care what

1984
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:49,060
the beautiful county that we have here with all the changes we talked about 486 when I came

1985
02:48:49,060 --> 02:48:57,360
to 48, to citrus county 486 was a dirt road. I hung out with novel Bryant. But I don't want

1986
02:48:57,360 --> 02:49:05,020
this kind. I resent the fact that we are going to spend tax money collected from tourism to

1987
02:49:05,020 --> 02:49:13,020
promote tourism based upon someone's sexual orientation. I think it's long. I think it's more

1988
02:49:13,020 --> 02:49:20,380
wrong and I question whether it's legally right that we can promote and take tax dollars and spend

1989
02:49:20,380 --> 02:49:27,020
it on someone's sexual orientation to get them to come here. When you show a picture of this

1990
02:49:27,020 --> 02:49:34,220
beautiful area and someone in a kayak, I don't know what that person's sexual orientation is,

1991
02:49:34,220 --> 02:49:41,180
I can't tell whether that person is gay or heterosexual or lesbian or anything else. I'm promoting

1992
02:49:41,180 --> 02:49:46,560
the county and the beauty of the water and all that stuff. That's what we need to promote

1993
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:52,220
our tourism about. Not spend our dollars on promoting someone's sexual orientation.

1994
02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:57,420
Thank you, sir. Thank you. I do want to say I'm going to give everybody their time to speak

1995
02:49:57,420 --> 02:50:03,300
obviously I would never take that away. But I think there's been something written email sent

1996
02:50:03,300 --> 02:50:09,520
out that we were voting on spending money on this DEI and this has not been something we voted

1997
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:15,060
on and I don't see it on the agenda in the future so just so you know that we we have

1998
02:50:15,060 --> 02:50:22,220
not voted on spending any money to promote that it was pulled from the agenda so I still

1999
02:50:22,220 --> 02:50:32,580
want to hear what you say but it was pulled by me it was pulled and it's not yeah and the

2000
02:50:32,580 --> 02:50:37,760
person that actually wrote it I don't see them in the audience so it's just a it's almost

2001
02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:44,700
It's like, let's divide us a little bit more and go and, but, but I still want to hear

2002
02:50:44,700 --> 02:50:46,460
everybody's, thank you sir.

2003
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:54,820
Hi.

2004
02:50:55,620 --> 02:50:55,660
Hi.

2005
02:50:55,660 --> 02:50:55,760
Hi.

2006
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:57,100
My name is Margaret Fraud.

2007
02:50:57,320 --> 02:51:00,040
I live in Green Breyer, a Citrus Hills.

2008
02:51:00,840 --> 02:51:08,020
And I am here to ask for you to use your authority to help us.

2009
02:51:08,020 --> 02:51:17,680
We have a problem in Green Breyer with a tremendous amount of landlords buying our houses

2010
02:51:17,680 --> 02:51:24,360
and turning them into rental units, and there is no law against it.

2011
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:28,400
I'm asking you to use your power, your authority,

2012
02:51:29,380 --> 02:51:37,060
MetroCrest, which is next to us, has rules against how many limited rentals are allowed.

2013
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:41,480
And when you buy a home there, you're only allowed to have a certain amount of rental properties.

2014
02:51:42,400 --> 02:51:43,980
We do not have that.

2015
02:51:44,140 --> 02:51:49,340
And so in Greenborough, one in Greenborough, two, we are in undunnendate with landlords.

2016
02:51:50,120 --> 02:51:57,100
We have four of the more board of directors buying up houses as fast as they can, and there's no law against it.

2017
02:51:57,100 --> 02:52:15,400
However, as your authority could appeal to developers or perhaps make it a rule that when they do our condos in the declarations that they write that they could write a limitation on the amount of rentals are allowed.

2018
02:52:15,400 --> 02:52:31,460
I think you were able to do that because some younger, more intelligent developers are putting it in and some of the developers are not putting it in.

2019
02:52:31,460 --> 02:52:34,960
And if we had a rule that said that our

2020
02:52:34,960 --> 02:52:38,440
in Citrus County, you can, you can,

2021
02:52:41,280 --> 02:52:43,480
you cannot have too many rentals.

2022
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:46,400
Then we can keep the landlords out.

2023
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:49,320
Do you think you can do that?

2024
02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:52,960
When you're done, we will answer all your questions.

2025
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:54,940
As soon as everybody's done, we'll answer.

2026
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:55,620
I'm finished.

2027
02:52:55,880 --> 02:52:56,540
Thank you, Margaret.

2028
02:52:56,900 --> 02:52:58,060
Thank you.

2029
02:52:58,420 --> 02:52:59,320
Next speaker, please.

2030
02:53:00,280 --> 02:53:02,980
Ma'am, could you turn in your green card?

2031
02:53:04,760 --> 02:53:05,080
Ma'am.

2032
02:53:08,740 --> 02:53:09,460
Thank you, sir.

2033
02:53:11,280 --> 02:53:11,860
Good afternoon.

2034
02:53:12,540 --> 02:53:13,800
Lealing ship, floral city.

2035
02:53:14,280 --> 02:53:17,060
And I'm glad I got the sit here and listen today.

2036
02:53:18,020 --> 02:53:22,200
Because the men that gave the last presentation, the Walton Bob Show,

2037
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:27,260
I think that they are definitely waving a huge yellow flag for us.

2038
02:53:28,320 --> 02:53:30,060
I just, I change what I'm going to say.

2039
02:53:30,060 --> 02:53:35,620
I just want to ask a question, what is the board solution of getting the road's resurfaced

2040
02:53:35,620 --> 02:53:39,820
and bigs because I think we're going to have a serious opportunity.

2041
02:53:41,240 --> 02:53:46,060
And so I'm not even going to go any further, if that were to say I would probably not

2042
02:53:46,060 --> 02:53:51,740
stand up to the number one priority spot because I just see it as a disaster.

2043
02:53:53,900 --> 02:53:58,920
I think that we need to take the attitude of come heck or high water we're going to fix

2044
02:53:58,920 --> 02:54:01,980
those rows before we get inundated with all this traffic.

2045
02:54:02,140 --> 02:54:03,040
And that's not the mention.

2046
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:04,820
When you start building shopping centers,

2047
02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:08,140
and I can speak to that, I've been around that.

2048
02:54:08,440 --> 02:54:10,600
The amount of heavy trucks and things

2049
02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:12,420
that are going to be coming, not to include

2050
02:54:12,420 --> 02:54:14,860
in the influx of workers, you're going to be

2051
02:54:14,860 --> 02:54:16,680
putting a lot of strain on these roads.

2052
02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:20,000
And I'd really think that we need to put this fix

2053
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:23,680
in the roads, maybe the bed, before it's old enough,

2054
02:54:23,940 --> 02:54:25,320
to collect social security.

2055
02:54:26,100 --> 02:54:26,760
Thank you.

2056
02:54:26,760 --> 02:54:27,620
Thank you, Lee then.

2057
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:29,700
Next speaker.

2058
02:54:35,180 --> 02:54:39,380
I'm last love joy from Beverly Hills, and I simply want to say I'm just glad it

2059
02:54:39,380 --> 02:54:46,720
proposal for the spending on the advertisement, it was pulled, because I find that that's

2060
02:54:46,720 --> 02:54:52,060
to me, unconstitutional, we worked very hard in this country for everybody to be treated equally,

2061
02:54:52,580 --> 02:54:55,320
which means also people coming to our county.

2062
02:54:56,400 --> 02:54:58,960
We have too many things to promote in this county.

2063
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:06,160
We rivers and just the active it's a wonderful county. I love this county. I've been here now 10 years. I came from D.C.

2064
02:55:06,580 --> 02:55:13,840
It's a cesspool. I love this county. I really do. I'm just glad to hear the fact that there's been pulled that we're going to advertise

2065
02:55:13,840 --> 02:55:25,400
their proposed everybody because we are a very loving community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And you have a very good name for being a loving community. Thank you, sir.

2066
02:55:27,500 --> 02:55:34,520
next speaker please hi I'm Dr. Carmen Clubechek and Vanessa Village for I

2067
02:55:35,740 --> 02:55:41,560
would like to say hello to all the commissioners Madam Chair. The reason I'm

2068
02:55:41,560 --> 02:55:50,220
here is to ask I know Commissioner Davis will be speaking later on but we

2069
02:55:50,220 --> 02:55:56,320
We're supposed to have a workshop, and that never came about.

2070
02:55:56,520 --> 02:56:04,780
I see Mr. Walt Eastman here, I see Mary Jensen here, Mr. Howard, and then Lynn.

2071
02:56:05,660 --> 02:56:11,460
And I'm requesting that this be done because there's a lot of misconception, misinformation,

2072
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:17,440
being distributed among the residents, and this all needs to be clear up so that we're

2073
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:19,260
all on the same page.

2074
02:56:19,260 --> 02:56:21,720
I really think this is very important.

2075
02:56:22,400 --> 02:56:28,480
One of the other residents, I think, in one of the previous meetings, I wanted for signs

2076
02:56:28,480 --> 02:56:32,160
for speeding to be put up at least to slow down.

2077
02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:39,760
My next door neighbor had a call to share up because one of the workers was speeding down on

2078
02:56:39,760 --> 02:56:46,300
Chris Wood and we have children that play out industry and this is a disaster waiting to happen.

2079
02:56:47,220 --> 02:56:52,880
They're very inconsiderate, there's always dust going everywhere, you know, I have to vacuum

2080
02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:57,420
my house at least twice a day, I'm sure all the other residents as well.

2081
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:04,320
So something really needs to be done, I know you're trying, I really appreciate that the

2082
02:57:04,320 --> 02:57:10,940
board is trying, I just wish I had more results, you know, than I can go back and tell

2083
02:57:10,940 --> 02:57:15,460
residents, but I do appreciate it. Thank you all. Thank you, Dr.

2084
02:57:16,540 --> 02:57:17,720
Next speaker please.

2085
02:57:24,900 --> 02:57:28,720
Good morning, ladies. I'm Brad Benson from

2086
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:33,100
County below you, Hernando County. Back to talk about the Baker Act

2087
02:57:33,100 --> 02:57:38,740
Boone Doble and I just want to say it was at our our board meeting

2088
02:57:38,740 --> 02:57:44,340
this morning and asked about it and they say it's now all they're all

2089
02:57:44,340 --> 02:57:53,640
for you to do something, and I sense, and then I asked the deputy to Mr. Rogers, our

2090
02:57:53,640 --> 02:58:00,420
county administrator. If she's one charge in the project, and he looked over at her

2091
02:58:00,420 --> 02:58:08,660
and saw who was asked her, and pulled her, you know, he is. So, seems to me, like something

2092
02:58:09,640 --> 02:58:15,620
going on under the table again, I don't, I have more trust in you than I do in our own

2093
02:58:15,620 --> 02:58:19,400
people. That's why I came here today. Wish you wouldn't make us wait so long.

2094
02:58:19,600 --> 02:58:23,380
Public comment, I think, could be taken care of real quick, because I've got yet another

2095
02:58:23,380 --> 02:58:30,660
meeting to speak at tonight. Last but not least, on the idea of the transgender tourism,

2096
02:58:32,120 --> 02:58:38,420
I would just say for anybody that would entertain that idea to take a look at what

2097
02:58:38,420 --> 02:58:44,680
happen to bud light and what is about to happen to Fox News for fire and Tucker Carlson.

2098
02:58:45,060 --> 02:58:48,940
When you do something that stupid, you get what you deserve.

2099
02:58:49,340 --> 02:58:53,840
If you want to have no tourism, then I would say go ahead and do it.

2100
02:58:54,960 --> 02:58:58,280
But if you want tourism here, that ain't the way.

2101
02:58:58,500 --> 02:59:01,400
Because the people down here don't buy into that nonsense.

2102
02:59:02,380 --> 02:59:06,220
Now on the Baker Act thing, I try to get a risk of it.

2103
02:59:06,220 --> 02:59:13,040
Please it's hard to hear him when there's cross-talk and then public things are funny guy. Oh, is that right?

2104
02:59:15,560 --> 02:59:18,700
Finally, I just like say find it interesting

2105
02:59:20,020 --> 02:59:30,820
That Miss Fenigin is willing to spend all kinds of money on the Baker Act facility and 40 new beds and so we are hugging all the doctors that

2106
02:59:30,820 --> 02:59:35,820
Push in this thing, but can't can't quite support an animal shelter

2107
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:41,400
Now, I know people are more important than animals, but we're not really taking care of these

2108
02:59:41,400 --> 02:59:42,820
people that are Baker acted.

2109
02:59:43,080 --> 02:59:45,540
We're drugged them and taken them off the streets.

2110
02:59:46,120 --> 02:59:48,200
It's a bad idea all the way around.

2111
02:59:48,460 --> 02:59:49,340
The Baker acted.

2112
02:59:49,460 --> 02:59:50,780
Self is a bad idea.

2113
02:59:51,260 --> 02:59:53,420
A new facility isn't even worse one.

2114
02:59:54,360 --> 02:59:55,980
And thank you very much for your time.

2115
02:59:56,020 --> 02:59:59,980
I appreciate you all letting somebody from Hernando come up here where we have a-

2116
03:00:19,890 --> 03:00:33,250
We have been such a county for 32 years now in its current state. We have also done work here for the county and numerous

2117
03:00:33,250 --> 03:00:40,410
capacity is over the last 32 years. I have to give you a back story first because it

2118
03:00:40,410 --> 03:00:46,070
involved the previous board. The previous board was faced with giving us an extension

2119
03:00:46,070 --> 03:00:54,790
on road resurfacing project back in November of 2022. At that time, there was material supply chain

2120
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:58,950
issues that we were dealing with that happened throughout the state throughout the country.

2121
03:00:58,950 --> 03:01:04,750
And we had difficulty our supplier here in Lakanto, making asphalt a difficult to get in the aggregate.

2122
03:01:05,390 --> 03:01:12,250
There were times that we would go a day, a week, two weeks that he just didn't have any aggregate to make them material.

2123
03:01:12,910 --> 03:01:16,050
So we would be shut down. We'd find out that morning he has nothing.

2124
03:01:16,730 --> 03:01:23,610
So we asked for extensions of time. We were granted an extension of time at the November 8th Board meeting.

2125
03:01:23,610 --> 03:01:37,290
Unbeknownst to us, also on that slate, was to ban us as a contractor to bid on or be awarded any more work for Citrus County until the words are until all outstanding projects are complete.

2126
03:01:38,150 --> 03:01:44,750
So we had that project that we had finished up the work that we could do on as well as Turner Camp Road.

2127
03:01:44,750 --> 03:01:49,570
And there's an upcoming agenda item today that will close out Turner Camp Road.

2128
03:01:49,830 --> 03:01:53,070
We finished the actual work on that at the beginning of March.

2129
03:01:53,870 --> 03:01:59,790
Our impression was that when the work was completed, that we could get back on to

2130
03:01:59,790 --> 03:02:05,930
been work, come to find out that no all the paperwork needs to go through, that including

2131
03:02:05,930 --> 03:02:10,830
today's agenda item, so it's pushed us back and we're missing bid opportunities.

2132
03:02:10,830 --> 03:02:17,290
We had bid a job in September prior to being banned on November 8th that wasn't awarded

2133
03:02:17,290 --> 03:02:22,330
until late November, well it was awarded to the second low bidder because we were then

2134
03:02:22,330 --> 03:02:22,870
banned.

2135
03:02:23,330 --> 03:02:26,770
So we missed out on the parking lot project at the Imranus Airport.

2136
03:02:27,670 --> 03:02:33,490
We also bid on a Cardinal Drive sewer project which we were low bidder and that is on your

2137
03:02:33,490 --> 03:02:40,810
agenda today and we were $229,000 roughly lower than the person to kind of

2138
03:02:40,810 --> 03:02:44,010
contractor that you're consider and recommend in the award too.

2139
03:02:44,570 --> 03:02:47,090
We are done with all our current work with Citrus County.

2140
03:02:47,570 --> 03:02:51,850
We've missed out on other opportunities through the utility departments, mother road maintenance

2141
03:02:51,850 --> 03:02:54,930
departments, to do work because we've been banned.

2142
03:02:55,490 --> 03:02:58,910
We don't know anyone, nobody's talking to us from the county side.

2143
03:02:59,070 --> 03:03:03,850
All of our communications have been us reaching out to county people to find out what's going

2144
03:03:03,850 --> 03:03:09,510
on and we're just getting nowhere and we don't know what it's going to take other than

2145
03:03:09,510 --> 03:03:12,350
keep moving to Gold Pass, post back, and getting drug out.

2146
03:03:13,430 --> 03:03:14,070
Thank you, sir.

2147
03:03:14,370 --> 03:03:15,990
Thank you.

2148
03:03:16,370 --> 03:03:17,250
Next speaker, please.

2149
03:03:22,390 --> 03:03:23,510
Good afternoon, commissioners.

2150
03:03:23,530 --> 03:03:27,070
Ken Hinkle, 102, 7, North Short Line Way,

2151
03:03:27,350 --> 03:03:29,350
Emeritus, several things.

2152
03:03:29,470 --> 03:03:30,710
Y'all are doing a excellent job.

2153
03:03:31,830 --> 03:03:33,750
I know you get a lot of critique from everybody,

2154
03:03:34,610 --> 03:03:36,210
but it's part of the job.

2155
03:03:36,950 --> 03:03:39,750
I love the forward thinking that Ruthie is explaining

2156
03:03:39,750 --> 03:03:42,170
and all of you are doing forward thinking.

2157
03:03:42,170 --> 03:03:49,250
five million dollars for renovations every year seems a little bit excessive to me and

2158
03:03:49,250 --> 03:03:53,530
putting everything under one umbrella would be the best thing in a course like I

2159
03:03:53,530 --> 03:03:57,370
like Rebecca's idea of putting it in for NASA.

2160
03:03:57,390 --> 03:04:03,450
Since I was in the city council from 18 years we want to do that to me, taking the

2161
03:04:03,450 --> 03:04:08,500
whole overnight shopping center and putting a complete project right there would be

2162
03:04:08,500 --> 03:04:16,060
And I'm a way that animal shelter, if people don't understand, go out to the current shelter,

2163
03:04:16,580 --> 03:04:19,720
and you see why we need it, it's disgusting.

2164
03:04:20,740 --> 03:04:23,940
Really, I'm here because I live in Cambridge, grains.

2165
03:04:24,060 --> 03:04:28,240
You'll be voting on the bid award for the, I think it's around $10 million.

2166
03:04:30,360 --> 03:04:31,380
It's a bargain,

2167
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:36,360
but many, almost everybody out there is retired.

2168
03:04:36,360 --> 03:04:39,640
and there are fixed incomes and we brought about this before.

2169
03:04:40,300 --> 03:04:46,380
I'm, everyone else just got a $10 million grant on top of a $16 million grant.

2170
03:04:46,880 --> 03:04:50,540
And I went to the same manager and I said, OK, how did you get another $10 million?

2171
03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:56,840
He says, will you re-applied to FDEP and this is so many people turn on the money back

2172
03:04:56,840 --> 03:05:00,220
in because they don't have the money to do the project.

2173
03:05:00,380 --> 03:05:02,900
He went on the 50, 50, whatever the match is.

2174
03:05:02,900 --> 03:05:09,000
So, I was a guest, Mr. Cheek, I could still have an excellent job, see about if they can

2175
03:05:09,000 --> 03:05:15,720
reapply for more grant money for the 22 or 23 or 23 or 24, because this project is not

2176
03:05:15,720 --> 03:05:17,180
going to be really going to finish until 25.

2177
03:05:18,080 --> 03:05:18,800
Thank you.

2178
03:05:18,940 --> 03:05:19,640
Thank you, Ken.

2179
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:21,040
Next speaker, please?

2180
03:05:29,720 --> 03:05:30,500
How about people?

2181
03:05:31,420 --> 03:05:38,860
I'm Frank Papson from Arrowhead, and my funder has been shot out from under me, so I'll go on two

2182
03:05:38,860 --> 03:05:47,680
other things that I listened to here, one, I hope you had success in Tallahassee getting the

2183
03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:55,160
money that you were looking for. That's number one. Number two is the consolidation of City Hall,

2184
03:05:56,500 --> 03:06:02,480
when you keep saying cotton solidation, I keep thinking of Washington DC and all the traffic

2185
03:06:02,480 --> 03:06:07,600
that is generated. I also think about the fact that you're going to building that's going to have

2186
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:12,780
additional employees that have to park somewhere and then you're going to have additional

2187
03:06:12,780 --> 03:06:18,400
people public coming to this building and that they're going to need the park and they really

2188
03:06:18,400 --> 03:06:23,220
don't need to walk blocks and blocks to get there. So you're going to have to do something about

2189
03:06:23,220 --> 03:06:31,120
the parking. That's one. The other one that I'm thinking about was the project on 486491,

2190
03:06:31,120 --> 03:06:41,360
I hope you turn around and make the builders put in traffic lights where they're going to need it because you're going to have a lot of people going in and out of there.

2191
03:06:42,280 --> 03:06:51,460
And the turn lanes, I want you to make sure that they pay for that too, because that's an expense that the builders should be paying for.

2192
03:06:51,840 --> 03:06:54,440
And that's all I have to say. Thank you.

2193
03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:55,840
Thank you.

2194
03:06:59,150 --> 03:07:00,090
Any other speakers?

2195
03:07:01,050 --> 03:07:03,230
I'm going to close open to the public.

2196
03:07:04,430 --> 03:07:06,310
Board, is there anything you would like to address?

2197
03:07:08,360 --> 03:07:08,860
Madam Chair.

2198
03:07:09,160 --> 03:07:09,940
Commissioner Bays.

2199
03:07:13,240 --> 03:07:13,940
So, pay for it.

2200
03:07:13,960 --> 03:07:15,300
I've heard a little bit about that.

2201
03:07:15,300 --> 03:07:17,760
I really don't know exactly all the details.

2202
03:07:17,980 --> 03:07:19,960
There's always two sides to every story.

2203
03:07:20,740 --> 03:07:27,300
I will tell you this is the second instance that I've heard this with two local companies.

2204
03:07:29,720 --> 03:07:38,740
And I'm very concerned, I don't know what the deal is, why the prior board pre-empted local

2205
03:07:38,740 --> 03:07:41,600
businesses from doing business here.

2206
03:07:41,940 --> 03:07:48,660
But when it comes down to awarding bids between a business that has brick and mortar employees

2207
03:07:48,660 --> 03:07:56,760
that's within our county, and we can't get it resolved, I think that's a tragedy.

2208
03:08:01,610 --> 03:08:04,630
No, whoever it was, that was the board.

2209
03:08:06,170 --> 03:08:11,590
So I'm asking for staff

2210
03:08:13,870 --> 03:08:17,450
to really dig into this, really look at it, figure out what's going

2211
03:08:17,450 --> 03:08:17,910
on.

2212
03:08:18,050 --> 03:08:21,750
I mean, I've heard some bits and pieces back and forth, I heard it from another company that

2213
03:08:21,750 --> 03:08:28,270
we have in the county that they weren't able to do work here, and I know that when I worked

2214
03:08:28,270 --> 03:08:36,310
them previously, they were an excellent partner. It was a printing company. So, and this on

2215
03:08:36,310 --> 03:08:43,610
roads, I would like to see this resolved. I just, it concerns me that we're shutting out local

2216
03:08:43,610 --> 03:08:50,730
businesses from being able to do work here. So, maybe there's a good reason for it, but I would

2217
03:08:50,730 --> 03:08:58,250
like to have answers. I would like the minutes pulled from that when that was decided because I

2218
03:08:58,250 --> 03:09:06,830
I remember recall that I was not an agreement of stopping a local person from doing work,

2219
03:09:07,610 --> 03:09:12,990
but the administrator was saying they were overwhelmed with work and work getting work done.

2220
03:09:13,630 --> 03:09:15,490
So I would like to see those minutes.

2221
03:09:19,140 --> 03:09:19,360
Is that it?

2222
03:09:21,650 --> 03:09:22,050
Sorry.

2223
03:09:22,690 --> 03:09:23,030
Is that it?

2224
03:09:23,390 --> 03:09:24,030
That's the only one.

2225
03:09:26,130 --> 03:09:27,290
Commissioner Finningin?

2226
03:09:27,990 --> 03:09:32,990
Well, since you started with paper, I also asked the question, actually,

2227
03:09:32,990 --> 03:09:37,130
my briefing and I went, I went, I don't know.

2228
03:09:37,310 --> 03:09:37,890
We're barred.

2229
03:09:42,050 --> 03:09:46,410
And they did have a reason, but it's my understanding that you are caught up and my response

2230
03:09:46,410 --> 03:09:51,590
was like to save over a quarter of a million dollars and also with a local company.

2231
03:09:52,470 --> 03:09:56,070
So I would be an agreement if we can somehow work that out.

2232
03:09:57,530 --> 03:09:58,670
They did give me a reason.

2233
03:09:58,790 --> 03:10:03,730
I don't know that it's my place to bring all that up now, but I would say if you don't have the

2234
03:10:05,250 --> 03:10:13,470
every one needs to start talking. That would be my hope. I think a lot of these people are gone.

2235
03:10:16,010 --> 03:10:24,370
From Ms. Fraught in Green Breyer. I don't know if we could, I mean, we can't give that,

2236
03:10:24,470 --> 03:10:31,090
but I would have to get with our attorney to know what we are allowed to do as a county.

2237
03:10:31,090 --> 03:10:37,010
I'm not very familiar with Green Breyer, obviously it's not an HOA, so it must just be in the county.

2238
03:10:38,190 --> 03:10:44,210
I've been in places that apartments have HOAs and yes, they have rental stipulations, like once every quarter you could rent.

2239
03:10:44,830 --> 03:10:46,890
I feel that's the way you're going.

2240
03:10:47,710 --> 03:10:54,190
I just don't know, we'll have to pump that off and maybe try to get something back to you later.

2241
03:10:54,530 --> 03:10:57,170
I've talked to several lawyers, the first thing I said.

2242
03:11:00,790 --> 03:11:07,670
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I know you're not allowed to come back, but you could email me if you'd like.

2243
03:11:08,570 --> 03:11:24,550
And I think just, you know, thanks to Mr. Ginkl and Pat Mr. Papson and all of those that had something to offer in the forward thinking and, you know, there's a lot of fiction like it's said too.

2244
03:11:24,550 --> 03:11:30,570
So I just want to before everything goes sideways in comments just because I voted

2245
03:11:30,570 --> 03:11:33,810
nay on one vote does not mean I'm not for the animal shelter.

2246
03:11:33,950 --> 03:11:43,010
I think I've made it very clear that as with all board members we're all on board for the

2247
03:11:43,010 --> 03:11:48,710
larger size animal shelter and I'm happy that it's moving forward and I think we'll get

2248
03:11:48,710 --> 03:11:54,310
to the accomplished. I just had a question about incurring debt, and I think in the future

2249
03:11:54,310 --> 03:12:01,030
this Board will work well together to hopefully not incur debt, but that's just a way

2250
03:12:01,030 --> 03:12:06,770
that the Board wants to move forward right now and we're all good with that. So, thank you.

2251
03:12:07,830 --> 03:12:08,430
Thank you, Mr. Davis.

2252
03:12:09,070 --> 03:12:11,250
Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

2253
03:12:11,250 --> 03:12:17,690
Um, pay, right, my understanding or my memory, I would like to review those minutes as well.

2254
03:12:17,810 --> 03:12:20,570
My memory is pretty much exactly as yours.

2255
03:12:20,770 --> 03:12:24,810
You're overwhelmed with work until you get caught up, you can't.

2256
03:12:25,690 --> 03:12:34,550
You, but clearly you're caught up, and I would share the, uh, the dismay, the outrage that

2257
03:12:34,550 --> 03:12:37,550
we would not allow a local company.

2258
03:12:37,850 --> 03:12:41,210
By the way, my father always really thought you guys did a great job at Christopher

2259
03:12:41,210 --> 03:12:48,790
rare board and especially to save taxpayer money so hopefully stop and figure out a way to

2260
03:12:48,790 --> 03:12:57,910
work that out. Mr. Ship, Mr. Papsen, I'm going to throw in roads, turn lanes and all that

2261
03:12:57,910 --> 03:13:05,770
in together at our board retreat where discuss looking at concurrency which is what means

2262
03:13:05,770 --> 03:13:10,830
that the developers have to pay for what they're doing right in their area.

2263
03:13:12,050 --> 03:13:13,630
Impact fees, we're going to look at that.

2264
03:13:13,650 --> 03:13:16,990
We're looking at alternate funding sources for getting the roads paved.

2265
03:13:17,530 --> 03:13:20,270
So we are working on all that, Mr. Ship.

2266
03:13:20,310 --> 03:13:23,690
I know you wanted to be the first priority, but we have about 10 first priorities.

2267
03:13:25,150 --> 03:13:26,770
So bear with us as we chew through that.

2268
03:13:28,510 --> 03:13:31,210
Speaking of all of the heavy lift on our plate,

2269
03:13:31,210 --> 03:13:39,650
I think we've already put the DEI thing to rest that I just want to say something and you

2270
03:13:39,650 --> 03:13:43,650
said it best, Chair, so I'll try not to screw up with additional comments.

2271
03:13:45,430 --> 03:13:52,250
I read in Wall Street Journal that today, I think, that China just got busted for manipulating

2272
03:13:52,250 --> 03:13:56,010
social media to cause dissension within the American public.

2273
03:13:56,010 --> 03:14:01,390
We already know, we already know that Russia has been doing that.

2274
03:14:01,950 --> 03:14:02,190
Okay?

2275
03:14:02,350 --> 03:14:08,250
We are so focused on being angry at each other and make no mistake.

2276
03:14:08,310 --> 03:14:10,830
We have bad actors within us as well.

2277
03:14:11,510 --> 03:14:12,590
I work in media.

2278
03:14:13,530 --> 03:14:14,250
I hear a lot.

2279
03:14:14,410 --> 03:14:15,010
Follow the money.

2280
03:14:15,250 --> 03:14:15,930
Follow the money.

2281
03:14:16,150 --> 03:14:16,310
Sure.

2282
03:14:16,430 --> 03:14:18,370
I know some politicians are crooked.

2283
03:14:18,490 --> 03:14:19,950
They've got to be out there.

2284
03:14:20,390 --> 03:14:21,930
We're, I can always speak for myself.

2285
03:14:22,130 --> 03:14:24,330
But I would bet that none of us are.

2286
03:14:24,850 --> 03:14:34,890
But follow the money. Your eyes, your attention, are worth a fortune, a fortune to companies, media companies.

2287
03:14:35,770 --> 03:14:41,050
I remember being raised with three channels and you had to get up to go turn the channel.

2288
03:14:42,430 --> 03:14:49,230
Okay, think now you have uncountable channels. You've got YouTube and you've got 24-7 to fill.

2289
03:14:49,230 --> 03:14:56,750
So, the more they can enrage you and make you turn around and go, that commissioner gave us

2290
03:14:56,750 --> 03:14:59,810
she's insane and then just start telling all your friends.

2291
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:08,340
And then it goes around and around and around. And it's just really sad. Just reach out to me. I am an open door and an open book.

2292
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:18,360
If you think I've done something phone headed, then please send me an email and say, what do you think? And I need to know, you know, or get in touch from me through our assistant.

2293
03:15:18,600 --> 03:15:24,540
And I think all five of us would ask you to do the same thing. And I'll always tell you the truth.

2294
03:15:25,400 --> 03:15:32,820
I, before Dr. Obviously, that'll come up in a little bit. So I have some ideas.

2295
03:15:34,200 --> 03:15:34,960
I think I got everything.

2296
03:15:37,170 --> 03:15:45,710
Thank you. Now, the very first speaker, a woman that talked about her son and mental health.

2297
03:15:46,350 --> 03:15:50,970
And I mean, that was very touching. It was a long time ago that was said.

2298
03:15:50,970 --> 03:16:00,930
But I am very, very aware of people losing children

2299
03:16:00,930 --> 03:16:04,750
and the loss of a child doesn't matter how old you are.

2300
03:16:05,710 --> 03:16:07,830
It doesn't matter if you child's 60 years old.

2301
03:16:08,590 --> 03:16:15,750
But we, as a board, know that this is an issue with our mental health.

2302
03:16:16,110 --> 03:16:18,470
People don't choose to be drug addicts.

2303
03:16:18,490 --> 03:16:21,170
People don't choose to have mental health problems.

2304
03:16:21,170 --> 03:16:25,790
but this board, the sheriff, our health department,

2305
03:16:26,010 --> 03:16:28,210
we're all trying to figure that out.

2306
03:16:28,550 --> 03:16:32,690
And I do appreciate the gentleman, Mr. Benson,

2307
03:16:32,910 --> 03:16:37,170
from Hernandez saying that Hernandez waiting on us

2308
03:16:37,170 --> 03:16:39,610
to figure out what we're going to do.

2309
03:16:41,670 --> 03:16:45,210
They don't need to wait on us to figure out.

2310
03:16:46,610 --> 03:16:49,930
I don't really understand what they're waiting on.

2311
03:16:49,930 --> 03:16:59,130
We're trying to figure out where the facility would go. Who's going to pay for it and how much is going to you know be it and what area it's going to be so

2312
03:17:01,150 --> 03:17:04,990
I don't know what to say about her name awaiting on us, but um

2313
03:17:05,570 --> 03:17:11,390
Pave right. We're we're going to look into it. I would like to see what's it going to take to get them back on Citrus County's

2314
03:17:12,850 --> 03:17:19,470
Job sites. They're a local company and appreciate what you bring to our county what you've done for our county. Also subcontractor

2315
03:17:19,470 --> 03:17:26,570
So I'm very aware of bidding for a job and being a little bit or so thank you for that.

2316
03:17:29,360 --> 03:17:32,260
Mr. Papsen, you were very nice today.

2317
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:34,440
Thank you.

2318
03:17:34,900 --> 03:17:35,920
It felt like Christmas.

2319
03:17:39,140 --> 03:17:41,280
Traffic, yeah, I don't believe me.

2320
03:17:41,700 --> 03:17:43,700
46 and 41, you know it's my district.

2321
03:17:44,760 --> 03:17:46,240
The traffic lights are there.

2322
03:17:46,240 --> 03:17:48,380
The turn lanes are the developer.

2323
03:17:48,480 --> 03:17:54,480
There's one at 4.91 and 46 and there's one in right there at Walmart.

2324
03:17:56,060 --> 03:17:59,920
Train turn lanes are there, developers take a care of that.

2325
03:18:00,360 --> 03:18:06,160
So we have a great growth department and they're right on there dealing with them, making

2326
03:18:06,160 --> 03:18:11,720
sure that takes the burden off of that road, but believe me, there's going to be a lot.

2327
03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:15,900
There's a lot more coming to that area and we got to get ahead of it.

2328
03:18:17,860 --> 03:18:23,620
Cambridge Greens now. Mr. Howard could I ask Mr. Cheek question?

2329
03:18:24,140 --> 03:18:27,560
Absolutely come forward Mr. Cheek. Maybe he'll get to see the whole grant money.

2330
03:18:28,220 --> 03:18:30,760
Yeah, he's able to get. He's got to see so wealthy.

2331
03:18:33,000 --> 03:18:35,080
He's got to bring one of those Brink's trucks he keeps.

2332
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:37,860
I'm going to ask you a hypothetical question.

2333
03:18:39,740 --> 03:18:46,140
We, this Cambridge Bridge, Cambridge Green Bid, is a very, very good bid.

2334
03:18:46,140 --> 03:18:48,480
That's why we want to move forward on it.

2335
03:18:48,940 --> 03:18:51,840
But say we move forward on this and we get going.

2336
03:18:52,840 --> 03:18:55,920
Is there anything stopping us because it is going

2337
03:18:55,920 --> 03:18:58,580
to take several years of getting more grant money

2338
03:18:58,580 --> 03:19:00,040
towards that project?

2339
03:19:00,440 --> 03:19:02,040
Not as far as I know.

2340
03:19:02,480 --> 03:19:05,160
Not as far as you know, so there is a possibility.

2341
03:19:05,700 --> 03:19:08,800
Well, typically they like to see the projects.

2342
03:19:09,540 --> 03:19:10,880
They like to fund it before it starts.

2343
03:19:11,740 --> 03:19:14,200
But in this case with the fact that we have a grant in place,

2344
03:19:14,200 --> 03:19:16,820
we could probably amend it if we can get some additional funding.

2345
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:20,880
Either, throughout the state of preparation or spring's money, we have both of those.

2346
03:19:21,060 --> 03:19:22,700
Okay, so there is hope.

2347
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:23,500
Yes, ma'am.

2348
03:19:23,760 --> 03:19:24,500
Okay, okay.

2349
03:19:24,500 --> 03:19:27,500
One thing we can guarantee is the number that we originally quoted.

2350
03:19:27,920 --> 03:19:31,800
It will never go beyond the $6,000 if we never got any more money with this big.

2351
03:19:31,820 --> 03:19:35,620
And that's what the hookups and the plumber and the...

2352
03:19:35,620 --> 03:19:39,640
We have $4,000 to apply to that over and above what we got in this.

2353
03:19:39,640 --> 03:19:55,120
So it will, there will be 6,000 for the homeowner that can have no, no more than 6,000, and if we could get it lower across the county than either saving money during construction or getting more grand money.

2354
03:19:55,500 --> 03:19:55,560
Yes.

2355
03:19:55,560 --> 03:19:56,320
Thank you, sir.

2356
03:19:56,620 --> 03:19:56,820
You're welcome.

2357
03:19:56,960 --> 03:19:58,260
Thank you.

2358
03:19:59,540 --> 03:20:02,420
I'm all for that, getting it every area.

2359
03:20:02,860 --> 03:20:08,480
Homassassa, Cambridge Greens, all of the areas, try to get as much as we can from feds.

2360
03:20:08,480 --> 03:20:15,220
from the staff perspective we are to yes I know I know yeah 26 million this year already, so very good

2361
03:20:16,980 --> 03:20:20,860
I think it would cover the D.I

2362
03:20:20,860 --> 03:20:26,900
The workshop for infinite villages so we'll be coming up the green briar mark it

2363
03:20:27,340 --> 03:20:32,600
That you would need that isn't that's that's out of our purview what you're asking

2364
03:20:32,600 --> 03:20:36,280
You need H.O.A. or P.O.A. the county commission is not

2365
03:20:37,000 --> 03:20:39,400
has no jurisdiction over that.

2366
03:20:40,200 --> 03:20:49,360
I also don't know if in my neighborhood, for instance, if somebody buys a house and they want

2367
03:20:49,360 --> 03:20:53,700
to rent it, I don't believe there's anything in my neighborhood to stop that.

2368
03:20:53,960 --> 03:20:55,380
But I wanted to ask you that question.

2369
03:20:55,580 --> 03:20:57,020
What you thought about Green Breyer?

2370
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:03,260
I can't remember whether she mentioned Maddox.

2371
03:21:03,740 --> 03:21:05,660
I think she said Maddox has some restrictions.

2372
03:21:05,660 --> 03:21:12,960
So, Meadow Crest did, some of the villages within Meadow Crest did amend their deed restrictions to prohibit short-term rentals.

2373
03:21:13,300 --> 03:21:16,960
I remember because I was part of that before I came to work with the county.

2374
03:21:18,300 --> 03:21:23,260
So, green bars, condominium, condominium, one-and-two, so there's condominium documents.

2375
03:21:23,820 --> 03:21:29,720
And I think the frustration that she's having is that the board has folks on it who have rental properties.

2376
03:21:29,720 --> 03:21:33,760
So there doesn't seem to be an impetus to change the

2377
03:21:33,760 --> 03:21:36,960
deed or the condo docs to prohibit the rentals.

2378
03:21:37,080 --> 03:21:39,600
I think that's the frustration, but it wouldn't have

2379
03:21:39,600 --> 03:21:42,780
be anything that the county could get involved in.

2380
03:21:42,900 --> 03:21:44,880
It needs to be done with the condo docs.

2381
03:21:46,520 --> 03:21:51,420
So the condo board needs to amend the condominium documents.

2382
03:21:53,860 --> 03:21:54,920
What's the future?

2383
03:21:55,520 --> 03:21:55,780
Yes.

2384
03:21:56,180 --> 03:21:56,380
OK.

2385
03:21:56,380 --> 03:21:59,620
So, talk to your board, tell them what you want.

2386
03:22:00,420 --> 03:22:02,120
That is out of our jurisdiction.

2387
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:05,700
I'm sorry.

2388
03:22:06,240 --> 03:22:09,540
I wish I could give you better news, but this is out of our jurisdiction.

2389
03:22:10,760 --> 03:22:10,900
Okay.

2390
03:22:11,900 --> 03:22:12,140
Okay.

2391
03:22:12,480 --> 03:22:12,860
So,

2392
03:22:15,070 --> 03:22:16,470
I think that's it.

2393
03:22:16,950 --> 03:22:21,470
Now, we can go on any other further discussion.

2394
03:22:21,470 --> 03:22:25,110
We can move on to E regular business.

2395
03:22:29,750 --> 03:22:36,050
So board, would you like to prove the bids in its entirety or prove individually?

2396
03:22:39,050 --> 03:22:39,790
It's entirely.

2397
03:22:39,950 --> 03:22:42,170
Would you like to make a motion?

2398
03:22:42,310 --> 03:22:43,350
She won, right?

2399
03:22:44,710 --> 03:22:46,830
It's 21A through.

2400
03:22:52,150 --> 03:22:53,450
I'm looking for a motion.

2401
03:22:53,610 --> 03:22:55,710
Do you want to do entirety or prove individual?

2402
03:22:55,810 --> 03:23:01,670
Madam chair, I would make a motion to approve Bids E1A through E1G.

2403
03:23:02,730 --> 03:23:03,270
Very good.

2404
03:23:03,270 --> 03:23:04,840
I have a motion by Commissioner Bays.

2405
03:23:04,840 --> 03:23:13,000
Second, second by Commissioner Davis, is there any public comment on E1A through G?

2406
03:23:16,440 --> 03:23:18,700
Give us your name and where you live?

2407
03:23:21,780 --> 03:23:25,900
I'm Joe Azarelli and I'm living sugar mill.

2408
03:23:26,280 --> 03:23:36,320
I worked for Pave Wright and I would like to see you table E1A until you can review this

2409
03:23:36,320 --> 03:23:45,300
further so that you can save the $220,000, I'm sure calf carts are a wonderful company

2410
03:23:45,300 --> 03:23:47,080
but they were not a little bitter.

2411
03:23:48,780 --> 03:23:52,940
I would like to give you a little bit of background with regard to the decision to ban

2412
03:23:52,940 --> 03:23:53,580
pay, right?

2413
03:23:55,140 --> 03:24:03,200
There was a meeting in August of 2022 where the staff originally recommended that pay, right,

2414
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:10,900
be banned from bidding any future paving work until the one project of concern was done.

2415
03:24:11,660 --> 03:24:19,640
And because of the supply chain issues that we were experiencing, they decided not to ban them,

2416
03:24:20,260 --> 03:24:22,060
when this came back up in November,

2417
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:30,220
without any reason that I know of, the ban was for

2418
03:24:30,220 --> 03:24:36,780
for all of county work, not just paving work, and for until all county work was complete.

2419
03:24:39,540 --> 03:24:44,740
The Underground Division of Pavewright, which I am responsible for,

2420
03:24:46,880 --> 03:24:47,860
wasn't having any issues

2421
03:24:47,860 --> 03:24:53,100
like the paving was, I'm not to say we didn't have any issues, but we were not late or

2422
03:24:53,100 --> 03:24:54,680
delayed in the same respect.

2423
03:24:56,900 --> 03:25:02,340
I don't believe that we should have been banned from bidding on the cardinal project and I think

2424
03:25:02,340 --> 03:25:04,060
it should be awarded to pay right.

2425
03:25:05,000 --> 03:25:12,980
In another comment that I would like to add to Commissioner Baze is I just find banning

2426
03:25:12,980 --> 03:25:13,680
strange.

2427
03:25:14,400 --> 03:25:18,040
All of these projects had performance and payment bonds.

2428
03:25:18,420 --> 03:25:23,140
The county was under no risk that the work would ever get done, it was going to be done.

2429
03:25:23,140 --> 03:25:30,440
And addition by banning us, you've removed the bidding

2430
03:25:30,440 --> 03:25:34,140
cool, and therefore, subject yourself, possibly paying more

2431
03:25:34,140 --> 03:25:36,440
than you needed to on future work.

2432
03:25:36,820 --> 03:25:40,760
So anyway, I'd like to see you table that and reconsider

2433
03:25:40,760 --> 03:25:44,220
and then reconsider and keep reconsidering until you can give

2434
03:25:44,220 --> 03:25:44,800
it to pay right.

2435
03:25:45,300 --> 03:25:46,040
Thank you.

2436
03:25:46,180 --> 03:25:46,880
Thank you, sir.

2437
03:25:48,400 --> 03:25:49,320
Any other

2438
03:25:51,560 --> 03:25:52,800
public comment?

2439
03:25:58,770 --> 03:26:04,150
Mike Delgado, I live in Sugar Millwoods, such as County, the President of

2440
03:26:04,150 --> 03:26:10,750
Pave Wright, and I appreciate you considering us back on the bidder's list, but we

2441
03:26:10,750 --> 03:26:18,170
I think we were banned illegally basically, I mean, there was no sit-down meeting with us

2442
03:26:18,170 --> 03:26:24,930
to show us why we were banned, there should be a meeting, a way the protocol calls for in

2443
03:26:24,930 --> 03:26:33,890
bid documents and to save $225,000 on this bid, I think it's good for the county.

2444
03:26:34,790 --> 03:26:35,730
Good for the citizens.

2445
03:26:36,730 --> 03:26:39,770
Everybody needs money and keep it as tight as possible.

2446
03:26:41,070 --> 03:26:42,910
But like I say, we should get the Cardinal bid.

2447
03:26:43,030 --> 03:26:44,230
We were low bidder.

2448
03:26:44,650 --> 03:26:46,270
And that's what this county is about.

2449
03:26:46,790 --> 03:26:49,130
Local businesses working together.

2450
03:26:49,790 --> 03:26:52,370
We worked for this county for 33 years.

2451
03:26:52,370 --> 03:26:59,770
Who called us when citrus hills had a 24 inch water mainly they called us. We got it done

2452
03:26:59,770 --> 03:27:03,070
You know we work with the utility department

2453
03:27:03,710 --> 03:27:10,370
So I just think you need to consider us on that bid get us back on the bidders list. That's what this county needs

2454
03:27:11,750 --> 03:27:12,770
Thank you, sir

2455
03:27:13,390 --> 03:27:20,550
Any further comment in the public? Madam chair. Yes, ma'am

2456
03:27:20,550 --> 03:27:24,090
I'd like to amend my motion. I'd like to withdraw E1 A

2457
03:27:24,090 --> 03:27:31,070
and ask staff to go back and review this to see what the circumstances are.

2458
03:27:31,590 --> 03:27:32,950
A couple of things.

2459
03:27:34,890 --> 03:27:40,350
I know that there is a machine out there now that's used by some companies.

2460
03:27:40,690 --> 03:27:44,390
I don't know that you use it, but it's pulled by one truck.

2461
03:27:45,630 --> 03:27:47,070
It has a hopper on it.

2462
03:27:47,090 --> 03:27:48,950
The asphalt's drawn up.

2463
03:27:48,950 --> 03:27:58,430
It goes into it, it's programmed by a computer that you put the new product in to mix it up.

2464
03:27:58,530 --> 03:28:04,670
And then it puts it into a dump truck, you put it back on the ground and rolls it out, and it's done pretty quick.

2465
03:28:05,570 --> 03:28:09,070
I know that there's a company here in this county that leases those.

2466
03:28:09,410 --> 03:28:14,490
Part of the issue is that that's not part of the specs of the way we're bidding these jobs.

2467
03:28:14,490 --> 03:28:16,870
But I think it's a better way to do it.

2468
03:28:16,930 --> 03:28:21,130
It might cost us a little more money up front, even with, as opposed to using aggregate

2469
03:28:21,130 --> 03:28:27,030
base, that we can actually use more of a concrete base, which will prevent the deterioration

2470
03:28:27,030 --> 03:28:29,390
of some of these roads in particular intersections.

2471
03:28:30,310 --> 03:28:36,630
But I would like to see some of that put into our bidding processes, and if we're going

2472
03:28:36,630 --> 03:28:47,230
to have penalties that I would like to see some performance measurements built into our contracts.

2473
03:28:47,470 --> 03:28:53,910
It says if you're delayed, it's going to cost you x, y, or z. You've got to have some mechanism

2474
03:28:53,910 --> 03:28:58,150
in there so that we're not just preempt in these companies. There's not a lot of them out there

2475
03:28:58,150 --> 03:29:03,030
and particularly in our county that we're getting the benefit from, but I would like to pull

2476
03:29:03,030 --> 03:29:10,790
that off and then my motion. So what would your motion be to approve E1, B,

2477
03:29:13,510 --> 03:29:15,050
through E1G?

2478
03:29:15,630 --> 03:29:19,730
I'm in my second, too. I think, man.

2479
03:29:22,010 --> 03:29:26,590
Can we do this business and then you can talk

2480
03:29:26,590 --> 03:29:32,810
about the hopper and all that at your, during your, yeah, comments, okay, did you have something

2481
03:29:32,810 --> 03:29:38,530
about this motion? I did, and it's very, very, very short. You say that every time, but go ahead.

2482
03:29:40,250 --> 03:29:45,330
I was, if you noticed, I was quickly scanning that, trying to make sure I wasn't about to

2483
03:29:46,190 --> 03:29:52,570
second what y'all were interested in. I missed it, so that's why, and I have a feeling that that's

2484
03:29:52,570 --> 03:29:57,110
what happened with Commissioner Bays as well. So thank you for getting up and setting us straight.

2485
03:29:57,110 --> 03:29:59,970
Okay, so we have a motion of floor for E1B.

2486
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,820
E through G, amendment short. We had an motion E 1 B through G by Commissioner B, second by Commissioner Davis. Is there any public comment? Again, do I have to reopen it? Yes. Madam, I don't think you have to reopen it, but I before you get ready to vote. I think I might have some input on this issue for you. Go ahead. Oh. So while I understand you may be sympathetic to the discussion that you've heard today,

2487
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:32,660
That's only one party.

2488
03:30:33,000 --> 03:30:41,360
You have someone who's been told that they were the apparent low bitter, so if you're not voting

2489
03:30:41,360 --> 03:30:49,020
for them, there may be some repercussions for that, because the board took action and directed

2490
03:30:49,020 --> 03:30:52,360
staff not to allow pay right to bid.

2491
03:30:52,980 --> 03:30:58,000
So until the board undoes that, staff has been working consistent with the board's direction,

2492
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:02,700
And so, for this bid, which has already gone on the street, it's already been collected.

2493
03:31:03,660 --> 03:31:07,680
The apparent low bidder has been notified that they are the low bidder.

2494
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:12,320
I just want to make sure you understand that you may be having some repercussions from

2495
03:31:12,320 --> 03:31:19,740
that entity, because you're now changing what staff has done at your direction.

2496
03:31:20,960 --> 03:31:22,380
Hi, Chair, yes, ma'am.

2497
03:31:24,480 --> 03:31:26,140
How could they have been the low bidder?

2498
03:31:26,500 --> 03:31:28,460
Have they bid on it if they were exempt from bidding?

2499
03:31:28,460 --> 03:31:31,040
And how would the other company even know them?

2500
03:31:33,620 --> 03:31:37,820
I don't know the specifics of how it went down, so to speak.

2501
03:31:38,080 --> 03:31:41,920
I don't know whether they, I think they were precluded from bidding.

2502
03:31:42,200 --> 03:31:47,840
So I don't think that their bid was perhaps Aaron can let lend some light on this, but

2503
03:31:47,840 --> 03:31:51,520
I believe that their bid, if it was opened, it was set to the side.

2504
03:31:51,940 --> 03:31:55,880
So it was not included, but maybe Aaron knows better than I do.

2505
03:31:57,160 --> 03:32:07,980
okay we and hold on hold on we are going to finish this motion on the floor for

2506
03:32:07,980 --> 03:32:15,760
E 1 B 3 G and then we will talk about what we're going to do with E 1 A so that

2507
03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:25,660
being said is there any other board comment not for B 3 J all the more reason the

2508
03:32:28,180 --> 03:32:42,980
Okay, so that means that all in favor of E1, B through G, the bid's approving that, say I, I oppose say nay, thank you. Now, E1A,

2509
03:32:44,320 --> 03:32:53,360
Cardinal Street Force Main Project, this one, I'd like to make a motion to table it, I am going to listen to staff.

2510
03:32:53,360 --> 03:33:02,900
I'm not saying I'm going to make any promises to anyone, I want to hear both sides of this story, and then we can make a decision,

2511
03:33:05,410 --> 03:33:07,290
put it back on the agenda in two weeks.

2512
03:33:07,530 --> 03:33:14,470
I don't know how time sensitive this project is. It's not a paving project. It looks like a water mean project.

2513
03:33:15,410 --> 03:33:17,110
So I don't know how to change.

2514
03:33:22,410 --> 03:33:24,350
The horse might already be out of the barn.

2515
03:33:24,350 --> 03:33:28,470
I don't know, and I will tell you, I've been in communication with their lawyer.

2516
03:33:28,750 --> 03:33:34,790
There are the, I have been writing letters back and forth with their lawyers, so to find

2517
03:33:34,790 --> 03:33:35,550
there.

2518
03:33:36,310 --> 03:33:43,530
Uh, pay rights attorney, so I didn't know that they intended to go outside of those letters

2519
03:33:43,530 --> 03:33:45,290
that I've been writing with their lawyer.

2520
03:33:46,390 --> 03:33:52,450
This is a sewer force name project, it's a CIP project that is self-funded, so there's

2521
03:33:52,450 --> 03:33:59,050
So other outside influence that is creating the time frame for this but us.

2522
03:33:59,210 --> 03:33:59,310
Okay.

2523
03:33:59,970 --> 03:34:04,210
So we could table it, get both sides of the story, find out what happened.

2524
03:34:05,430 --> 03:34:06,350
Is that what you're saying?

2525
03:34:08,090 --> 03:34:11,750
We're just in this year's CIP and it's utility funds.

2526
03:34:14,200 --> 03:34:14,740
Okay.

2527
03:34:15,180 --> 03:34:17,080
Well, I think we need it.

2528
03:34:17,980 --> 03:34:19,100
What is your suggestion?

2529
03:34:19,880 --> 03:34:20,500
Madam maternity.

2530
03:34:20,840 --> 03:34:22,620
On E1A.

2531
03:34:22,620 --> 03:34:36,500
My suggestion is that the Board's direction to staff was to not allow pay-bright to bid until pay-bright completed all of its outstanding projects at the time.

2532
03:34:37,260 --> 03:34:49,400
Staff, we put together a letter, we've gotten very extremely negative letters from their attorney.

2533
03:34:51,680 --> 03:35:00,640
threatening the county staff put together a course for pay right to complete.

2534
03:35:01,440 --> 03:35:09,280
I think there was two projects, maybe with three sub paragraphs that they had to complete.

2535
03:35:09,380 --> 03:35:16,100
I believe that they have completed all but one project and there is a disagreement between

2536
03:35:16,100 --> 03:35:24,560
the county and pay right as to the payment, they're requesting additional funds.

2537
03:35:24,780 --> 03:35:31,020
The county is doing alternative dispute resolution with them at their request to resolve

2538
03:35:31,020 --> 03:35:37,420
that one last issue. That one last issue per the contract would be determined at the county's

2539
03:35:37,420 --> 03:35:42,500
discretion. So I understand staff is meeting to determine how they're going to proceed forward

2540
03:35:42,500 --> 03:35:44,380
with the alternative dispute resolution.

2541
03:35:45,680 --> 03:35:52,820
So I can say that we are working toward resolving that one last item and we've told

2542
03:35:52,820 --> 03:35:56,680
I've told their lawyer that as soon as that one last item is resolved that we would bring

2543
03:35:56,680 --> 03:36:01,440
it and the staff would bring it back to the board and request the board please to release

2544
03:36:01,440 --> 03:36:02,700
them to further bidding.

2545
03:36:06,600 --> 03:36:08,060
That's everything in a nutshell.

2546
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:10,000
Thank you, Mr. Chief.

2547
03:36:10,780 --> 03:36:13,420
Board, what is your pleasure with E1A?

2548
03:36:16,180 --> 03:36:26,040
I'm going to take my motion back. Madam Chair, I'll make the motion. I still want to table this. I want to hear what's going on.

2549
03:36:26,460 --> 03:36:39,800
We've had a company that's come forward. We set up here. They expect us to have the to vet this. I understand what's going on, but I, this is the second time that I've heard this with companies.

2550
03:36:39,800 --> 03:36:45,340
and I want to know what's going on. I want to hear it. I want it to be vetted in public. It's been

2551
03:36:45,340 --> 03:36:53,700
brought public today, and I think we owe it to the citizens and to the companies to get the answers.

2552
03:36:54,280 --> 03:37:00,680
All second thought. I have a motion to table and get the background on E1A,

2553
03:37:01,420 --> 03:37:07,400
a motion by Commissioner Bay, the second by Commissioner Davis, and Madame Chairman.

2554
03:37:07,400 --> 03:37:13,400
And that'll be including putting their attorney's letters in the backup material so you all can see those.

2555
03:37:14,120 --> 03:37:15,120
That's fine.

2556
03:37:18,840 --> 03:37:18,900
Okay.

2557
03:37:20,340 --> 03:37:23,520
Okay, so I've already opened this up to public comment.

2558
03:37:24,320 --> 03:37:24,860
All in favor.

2559
03:37:24,900 --> 03:37:25,600
More discussion.

2560
03:37:26,640 --> 03:37:26,960
Okay.

2561
03:37:27,420 --> 03:37:29,020
Thank you.

2562
03:37:29,220 --> 03:37:30,200
See, it's not on purpose.

2563
03:37:32,280 --> 03:37:33,880
It's ready for the board discussion.

2564
03:37:34,060 --> 03:37:34,900
Mr. Finnegan.

2565
03:37:34,900 --> 03:37:44,700
Um, only because Mr. Cheek, it seems like I'm hearing it's not going to, you know, harm the project or the taxpayers to delay it two weeks.

2566
03:37:45,140 --> 03:37:58,860
I think that we can bet this out in two weeks, but what I'm also hearing loud and clear to everyone from Pave, right? It sounds so far like it's your attorney that has kept you from being eligible to bid on this project.

2567
03:38:00,660 --> 03:38:05,900
So, well, then we'll have two weeks to get it all fed it out,

2568
03:38:06,020 --> 03:38:06,420
Madam Attorney.

2569
03:38:06,420 --> 03:38:10,960
We'll just remember it might not be two weeks because of the way the agendas preparation

2570
03:38:10,960 --> 03:38:11,560
it might be.

2571
03:38:12,100 --> 03:38:13,980
I just want to make sure we're right.

2572
03:38:14,380 --> 03:38:15,000
As far as possible.

2573
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:15,660
I said yes.

2574
03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:18,020
Sorry about that, Madam Attorney.

2575
03:38:18,240 --> 03:38:19,300
I'm not going to put you in there.

2576
03:38:19,420 --> 03:38:19,880
That was me.

2577
03:38:20,400 --> 03:38:21,260
I put that out there.

2578
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:22,180
As soon as possible.

2579
03:38:22,180 --> 03:38:23,320
But I am worried.

2580
03:38:24,520 --> 03:38:27,920
I don't know how that works, but if someone was notified and ready to get started.

2581
03:38:27,920 --> 03:38:35,340
And then, you know, we're a month out, I don't know, I'm gonna trust our attorney on that

2582
03:38:35,340 --> 03:38:39,480
because I feel like at this point, I don't mind getting the information, but I don't

2583
03:38:39,480 --> 03:38:44,240
want to put the county in sticky and the sticky situation at the same time.

2584
03:38:45,180 --> 03:38:46,220
Any other comments?

2585
03:38:46,640 --> 03:38:47,200
You know what I'm saying?

2586
03:38:47,440 --> 03:38:48,040
You don't be on the edge.

2587
03:38:48,980 --> 03:38:49,960
I can get a bit of system.

2588
03:38:50,420 --> 03:38:51,140
Like, are you done?

2589
03:38:51,480 --> 03:38:52,280
Can we go up lights?

2590
03:38:53,220 --> 03:38:53,620
Not yet.

2591
03:38:54,080 --> 03:38:55,420
Anything else, Commissioner Bays?

2592
03:38:55,620 --> 03:38:55,820
Nope.

2593
03:38:55,820 --> 03:39:00,660
Davis. Okay, so all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed.

2594
03:39:00,900 --> 03:39:04,500
Say nay. That passes 40. Moving on.

2595
03:39:07,770 --> 03:39:10,310
We did E 2 or at E 3.

2596
03:39:15,460 --> 03:39:16,660
Budget transfers.

2597
03:39:19,990 --> 03:39:21,270
Board. Madam chair.

2598
03:39:21,570 --> 03:39:24,850
Yeah, a motion approved item E 3. Thank you.

2599
03:39:25,110 --> 03:39:26,950
Commissioner Bay. Second by Commissioner Davis.

2600
03:39:27,070 --> 03:39:29,410
Is there any public comment on budget transfers?

2601
03:39:30,310 --> 03:39:30,890
Thank you, gentlemen.

2602
03:39:32,470 --> 03:39:36,450
See, none is there any further board comment on budget transfers.

2603
03:39:39,130 --> 03:39:47,370
All in favor say aye, aye, opposed say nay, passes 40, e4, budget resolutions.

2604
03:39:47,610 --> 03:39:49,530
Madam Chair, Commissioner, approve e4.

2605
03:39:50,750 --> 03:39:56,610
On a motion by Commissioner Davis, looking for a second to approve e4.

2606
03:39:56,850 --> 03:39:57,390
Second.

2607
03:39:57,390 --> 03:40:03,010
I'm going to second from Commissioner Finnigan, is there any public comment on E4?

2608
03:40:03,990 --> 03:40:06,890
Seeing none, is there any further board comment?

2609
03:40:07,930 --> 03:40:09,330
All in favor say aye.

2610
03:40:09,470 --> 03:40:09,910
Aye.

2611
03:40:10,210 --> 03:40:10,770
Opposed?

2612
03:40:11,030 --> 03:40:11,830
Say nay.

2613
03:40:12,410 --> 03:40:14,770
Passes 4-0, E5.

2614
03:40:15,990 --> 03:40:19,670
Waste disposable account agreement for intercounty recycling.

2615
03:40:20,250 --> 03:40:22,850
Motion to approve E5-A and B.

2616
03:40:23,910 --> 03:40:24,170
Thank you.

2617
03:40:24,170 --> 03:40:32,070
motion by Commissioner Davis for E5A and B. I'm looking for a second. Second by Commissioner Finn again.

2618
03:40:32,610 --> 03:40:41,050
Is there any public comment? Seeing none. Is there any further board comment? All in favor say aye.

2619
03:40:41,050 --> 03:40:49,330
Aye. Opposed, say nay, passes 4-0. E-E-6. Release on Retainage,

2620
03:40:49,610 --> 03:40:58,170
ITB-22-085. I'm looking for a motion. This was a Scott resurfacing project.

2621
03:40:58,610 --> 03:41:01,130
Motion to approve E-6 A-B-N-C.

2622
03:41:01,410 --> 03:41:03,950
Thank you. Motion by Commissioner Davis. Second.

2623
03:41:04,270 --> 03:41:07,910
Second by Commissioner Finnigan. I'm hoping you saw this. You were the only one there.

2624
03:41:09,250 --> 03:41:19,570
Any public comment on E6, A, B, and C? Any further board comment? All in favor say aye.

2625
03:41:20,450 --> 03:41:28,390
Opposed, say nay. We're at 3, 0 right now until Commissioner B gets back. E7.

2626
03:41:28,870 --> 03:41:32,350
Make a motion to approve. E7, vote A and B.

2627
03:41:32,350 --> 03:41:43,170
Thank you. Motion by Commissioner Finnegan for E7AMB. Second by Commissioner Davis. Is there any public comment on fire service assessment program proposal?

2628
03:41:45,770 --> 03:41:52,930
Seeing none. Any further board comment? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay.

2629
03:41:53,710 --> 03:42:01,570
We're at 30 right now. E8. Waste disposal account agreement with right tree services.

2630
03:42:01,570 --> 03:42:08,210
A and B. Motion to approve. E 8 A and B. Thank you. I got a motion by Commissioner Davis.

2631
03:42:08,330 --> 03:42:10,070
I'm looking for a second. Second.

2632
03:42:10,450 --> 03:42:16,570
Commissioner Finnigan. Is there any public comment on E 8? Is there any further board discussion?

2633
03:42:20,420 --> 03:42:27,480
All in favor say aye. Aye. Post say nay. Passes 30 right now. E 9.

2634
03:42:27,480 --> 03:42:28,800
I'm sorry, go ahead.

2635
03:42:28,980 --> 03:42:32,680
PDC request for local lines television partnership.

2636
03:42:32,940 --> 03:42:35,580
Motion to approve E9.

2637
03:42:36,020 --> 03:42:38,900
Okay, I got a motion by Commissioner Davis.

2638
03:42:39,780 --> 03:42:41,140
I'm looking for a second.

2639
03:42:46,380 --> 03:42:47,740
Well, I'm sorry what?

2640
03:42:48,220 --> 03:42:49,320
You can still vote against.

2641
03:42:49,540 --> 03:42:50,900
We need to have questions.

2642
03:42:50,920 --> 03:42:53,720
You need to second that so I can tell you what it's about.

2643
03:42:54,600 --> 03:42:56,000
I'll give you a second for discussion.

2644
03:42:57,800 --> 03:43:03,960
is there any public comment about E9?

2645
03:43:06,360 --> 03:43:07,280
Any board discussion?

2646
03:43:10,200 --> 03:43:13,040
Can you tell me what your concerns are, so I can address them?

2647
03:43:13,860 --> 03:43:21,820
Sure. So, as pointed out before, there was a budget for marketing. 527,000 dollars that was allocated.

2648
03:43:22,660 --> 03:43:28,040
I haven't heard that no tourists are coming to citrus counties, so there's like a full court

2649
03:43:28,040 --> 03:43:33,920
grass, on more advertising dollars, and it seems like that's what's been heading, heading

2650
03:43:33,920 --> 03:43:46,300
down the way, so that's one, two, just the amount of money, you know, for boat, boat, you

2651
03:43:46,300 --> 03:43:46,480
know.

2652
03:43:47,140 --> 03:43:51,940
It's basically to put a little logo on a boat as to how I understand I'm sure you'll

2653
03:43:51,940 --> 03:44:00,160
it's way better and not familiar with any of this. It sounds like a really good deal for Mad

2654
03:44:00,160 --> 03:44:10,180
Media and One O'Captain. But probably mostly is that T.C. has been getting so much hot

2655
03:44:10,180 --> 03:44:18,120
press. And my understanding of the board's pleasure was to use that special project money

2656
03:44:18,120 --> 03:44:21,900
and start pushing it to the other side of the county.

2657
03:44:22,920 --> 03:44:28,460
So we're back instead of marketing being under the marketing budget,

2658
03:44:28,520 --> 03:44:30,880
we're taking it from special projects,

2659
03:44:32,180 --> 03:44:34,300
and after the last vote,

2660
03:44:34,540 --> 03:44:37,840
it seems like we need to move or save some of the special project money

2661
03:44:37,840 --> 03:44:39,020
for the other side of the county,

2662
03:44:39,400 --> 03:44:41,880
and we're back in the crossover area.

2663
03:44:43,280 --> 03:44:44,680
So that's, so.

2664
03:44:45,300 --> 03:44:52,480
I've actually had a discussion on the Mr. Pritcher about this because it took me even as someone in marketing for decades

2665
03:44:52,480 --> 03:44:59,660
It took me a while to figure out our funding is five pennies right on

2666
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:11,560
Item 5 pennies. So, the first four are spent on marketing the county by state preemption. One

2667
03:45:11,560 --> 03:45:19,400
cent can go to capital. At some point, they deemed the fourth penny for special projects. It is

2668
03:45:19,400 --> 03:45:22,480
advertising. So, when you build an advertising budget,

2669
03:45:25,820 --> 03:45:27,080
and I'm going to maybe get in trouble

2670
03:45:27,080 --> 03:45:30,200
for saying this and the non-government corporate world

2671
03:45:30,200 --> 03:45:32,320
when we are building client budgets,

2672
03:45:33,000 --> 03:45:34,480
we call it a slush fund.

2673
03:45:34,980 --> 03:45:37,440
Because we want to be able to take advantage

2674
03:45:37,440 --> 03:45:40,360
of new projects that come up that are in that

2675
03:45:40,360 --> 03:45:42,860
advertising arena and be able to do that.

2676
03:45:43,140 --> 03:45:46,340
So a client may give us a half million dollar budget

2677
03:45:46,340 --> 03:45:50,820
for advertising to manage, it's not coming to the agency.

2678
03:45:51,620 --> 03:45:56,580
And we may put aside 120 of that 500

2679
03:45:56,580 --> 03:46:01,600
to wait for special things to come up and that's where the derivation of the name is, special

2680
03:46:01,600 --> 03:46:06,920
projects, but it's incredibly misleading and it even took me a while to figure out I'm like

2681
03:46:06,920 --> 03:46:11,640
okay, so the special projects thing is actually the same advertising that we're doing on the other

2682
03:46:11,640 --> 03:46:18,380
three pennies and John said yes, so this is advertising it's just something that is not our

2683
03:46:18,380 --> 03:46:24,300
regular baseline, typically in an in a marketing budget you're looking at a baseline that you go

2684
03:46:24,300 --> 03:46:31,420
to go back to that same thing because it works year after year after year. If you keep working

2685
03:46:31,420 --> 03:46:37,540
well with it like we have with TDC and we keep getting more tourists and so the money we get keeps

2686
03:46:37,540 --> 03:46:45,060
coming in and just for clarification guys this is a state preemption. We cannot spend that tax money

2687
03:46:45,060 --> 03:46:54,280
which tourists pay not residents tourist pay it. We cannot spend it to repay the roads, build the

2688
03:46:55,920 --> 03:47:07,680
So what we do is a lot of times we'll take in a corporate budget, and I've seen us do this with TDC, is that we'll have a new project come in, a new advertising possibility option.

2689
03:47:08,240 --> 03:47:10,100
And we go, you know what, this sounds like a really good program.

2690
03:47:11,020 --> 03:47:17,660
We're going to try it for the 40,000 or the 20,000, or whatever the amount is, but make no mistake.

2691
03:47:17,660 --> 03:47:26,360
We get a ridiculous amount of data back from the agency on what happened with that media.

2692
03:47:26,780 --> 03:47:27,360
How many eyeballs?

2693
03:47:27,640 --> 03:47:31,880
I mean, the amount of tracking that's on us as humans right now is pretty scary.

2694
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:36,800
I mean, it's pretty, is big brother is out there and they know where you're shopping and where

2695
03:47:36,800 --> 03:47:37,300
you're going.

2696
03:47:37,820 --> 03:47:44,700
If you dig into deeply into the reports, which is all public record, you will see that we actually

2697
03:47:44,700 --> 03:47:50,320
are mined in those dollars very, very carefully. Hopefully that clears that up. This is something

2698
03:47:50,320 --> 03:47:55,280
that is going to be centered mostly in saltwater fishing. I asked, and I was planning to get

2699
03:47:55,280 --> 03:48:01,580
my TDC report later, we do have some stuff planned for the east side, specifically Jackie

2700
03:48:01,580 --> 03:48:07,660
Hupner said that they're going to bring a capital project idea to us for that fifth penny from

2701
03:48:08,600 --> 03:48:23,560
So I am beating that job regularly, trust me, but this local line is going to be, and you can just not, John, I believe it's all salt water, but they were going to, maybe, do a little bit of fresh water.

2702
03:48:23,920 --> 03:48:25,420
John Pritchard with the first album.

2703
03:48:25,960 --> 03:48:37,640
No, it's what we wanted to be in terms of, yes, he primarily salt water, but the reason we brought this forward was that he was open and willing to put people into it.

2704
03:48:37,640 --> 03:48:40,420
along the lakes and invernance as well.

2705
03:48:41,720 --> 03:48:48,920
Also part of the package that he provided us was when we have media that come in, he will

2706
03:48:48,920 --> 03:48:50,000
take them out.

2707
03:48:50,080 --> 03:48:53,980
Previously, we've had to pay for these sort of things, so in a roundabout way, we're paying

2708
03:48:53,980 --> 03:48:54,780
for it.

2709
03:48:54,880 --> 03:49:01,540
However, he's going to put them on the lakes, so they experience what we're talking about.

2710
03:49:01,620 --> 03:49:03,620
These writers now go up and experience it.

2711
03:49:03,620 --> 03:49:08,440
So, it is county-wide. It's not strictly on the salt water fishing areas.

2712
03:49:10,540 --> 03:49:11,460
So, may I ask a question?

2713
03:49:12,460 --> 03:49:13,020
Does anyone have a question?

2714
03:49:14,200 --> 03:49:14,880
Or should I say anything?

2715
03:49:15,440 --> 03:49:16,140
Is that a hand?

2716
03:49:16,460 --> 03:49:16,720
Okay.

2717
03:49:18,620 --> 03:49:20,900
So, it's one boat captain.

2718
03:49:21,320 --> 03:49:24,100
Of course, where I live, there's a lot of boat captains.

2719
03:49:25,320 --> 03:49:32,620
I don't understand how one person, I mean, if we're relying on one person to do this work,

2720
03:49:32,620 --> 03:49:39,520
of taking, I guess, torus to places. I mean, it wasn't bit out. It wasn't, we just kind of,

2721
03:49:39,520 --> 03:49:44,060
what's it, it's an advertising opportunity. He brought us this proposal. He has a television

2722
03:49:44,060 --> 03:49:50,560
show and he wanted us as the TVC to be a part of the sponsor. As you can see in the packet,

2723
03:49:51,100 --> 03:50:02,600
there's the SOTM Fishing, the Plantation, several other gifts and plumbing power, I don't know

2724
03:50:02,600 --> 03:50:05,920
We would get a chance to be a sponsor.

2725
03:50:06,520 --> 03:50:09,420
So Discover Crystal River is mentioned at the beginning of every show,

2726
03:50:09,560 --> 03:50:11,300
where there's a commercial in every show.

2727
03:50:11,600 --> 03:50:16,380
It goes to over 13 million homes through the waypoint network,

2728
03:50:16,720 --> 03:50:24,000
which is the primary network where the fishing community is consuming content.

2729
03:50:24,920 --> 03:50:27,260
It's not on the, it's, so they can watch it on the man,

2730
03:50:27,520 --> 03:50:31,200
because instead of being there at 9 a.m. to watch the show,

2731
03:50:31,200 --> 03:50:36,440
They can watch it at their leisure, and we're in front of the folks that are interested

2732
03:50:36,440 --> 03:50:40,540
primarily in fishing, whether it's salt or fresh water.

2733
03:50:40,680 --> 03:50:41,420
How does one watch?

2734
03:50:41,620 --> 03:50:42,760
I've never heard of it before.

2735
03:50:42,920 --> 03:50:43,940
It's like Hulu.

2736
03:50:45,440 --> 03:50:47,320
So it's just a little app, way of policing.

2737
03:50:49,260 --> 03:50:58,620
But for outdoors and fishing primarily, it is the leading place where content is consumed.

2738
03:50:58,620 --> 03:51:04,060
So, as you can see in the back of it, it talks about reaching 13 million through the social

2739
03:51:04,060 --> 03:51:10,900
media web traffic and other appearances, and waypoint has over 10 million views through

2740
03:51:10,900 --> 03:51:11,660
their analytics.

2741
03:51:13,440 --> 03:51:18,100
So this, you know, as we are, as Commissioner Davis told him earlier about the tracking and

2742
03:51:18,100 --> 03:51:20,200
things, we know this works.

2743
03:51:20,500 --> 03:51:27,800
We know this gets us in front of our fishing, fishing autos, and we can, we can find out we

2744
03:51:27,800 --> 03:51:32,280
see we have so much data that we can tell when the shows were watched all those sort of things

2745
03:51:32,280 --> 03:51:39,000
they're all provided their way point. As for one person, most of these shows are one person.

2746
03:51:39,280 --> 03:51:45,940
We advertise with Rick Murphy annually who runs Florida insider fishing report. He also has

2747
03:51:45,940 --> 03:51:52,040
we also earlier this year we did the national show where he took they were on the lakes in

2748
03:51:52,040 --> 03:51:53,920
invernance as well as in the salt water,

2749
03:51:54,180 --> 03:51:58,760
so on the sportsman adventure is a nationally broadcast show

2750
03:51:58,760 --> 03:51:59,740
that he does.

2751
03:52:01,660 --> 03:52:08,060
So it's, you know, this is a significant portion of our tourism

2752
03:52:08,680 --> 03:52:11,780
is being on the water, all of us,

2753
03:52:11,940 --> 03:52:16,200
especially fishing, so with a chance to thank you.

2754
03:52:16,200 --> 03:52:17,820
Okay, don't leave.

2755
03:52:17,980 --> 03:52:18,460
No, I'm not going to go.

2756
03:52:18,460 --> 03:52:20,020
I wish you finn again, do you have any other questions?

2757
03:52:20,020 --> 03:52:25,900
Okay, I didn't want you to just have to keep going on and on and on, I do have a couple questions.

2758
03:52:28,600 --> 03:52:32,420
I'm going to ask you a few questions and please bear with me.

2759
03:52:34,340 --> 03:52:36,400
The Red Fish Circuit.

2760
03:52:36,580 --> 03:52:37,060
Here.

2761
03:52:38,480 --> 03:52:40,060
Where are red fish at?

2762
03:52:40,600 --> 03:52:41,420
I'm not a fisherman.

2763
03:52:42,960 --> 03:52:45,520
Are there red fish in the lakes in hernandow?

2764
03:52:46,180 --> 03:52:47,300
No, that's a saltwater species.

2765
03:52:47,300 --> 03:52:54,540
Okay, so salt water. That's what I want to know. Yes, sorry. Not a statement. So it would be

2766
03:52:55,480 --> 03:52:56,800
Crystal River area

2767
03:52:56,800 --> 03:53:05,520
Homassassa. Homassassa. Okay, I didn't see in this proposal what you would be putting on the boat

2768
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:12,520
It's not a boat. It's a television show that the boat is a that's a we have a different sponsorship where we're doing that. This is strictly

2769
03:53:16,580 --> 03:53:24,500
It's a custom boat route with you featured on the custom boat route.

2770
03:53:24,520 --> 03:53:26,520
Six full day fishing charters.

2771
03:53:27,820 --> 03:53:28,400
No, I know.

2772
03:53:28,560 --> 03:53:31,180
I'm asking what it's going to be.

2773
03:53:31,180 --> 03:53:36,620
It would be the logo, which has the discover pressure of the logo with the communities

2774
03:53:36,620 --> 03:53:37,920
underneath it.

2775
03:53:38,160 --> 03:53:38,660
Okay.

2776
03:53:38,660 --> 03:53:41,760
list, Inverness, Florida City, and Homosasa.

2777
03:53:42,160 --> 03:53:48,720
Thank you. And in this $18,000 television wrap situation, it's a six-fold

2778
03:53:48,720 --> 03:53:54,560
days fishing charters with Captain Brandon Brandt. Who gets to go fishing with?

2779
03:53:54,700 --> 03:53:57,820
That's what I was talking about where we take our media partners, when we have travel

2780
03:53:57,820 --> 03:54:05,640
writers come in or the trade folks. That's where we get exclusively. We want you on

2781
03:54:05,640 --> 03:54:14,920
links in Inverness today for this, or we take them scalloping or out on the insure, you know,

2782
03:54:14,920 --> 03:54:21,400
you know, as a captain he knows some of the ins and outs certainly of insure, so there's

2783
03:54:21,400 --> 03:54:24,640
we have a lot of options on that.

2784
03:54:25,440 --> 03:54:26,140
Oh, he thank you.

2785
03:54:26,400 --> 03:54:33,320
And I want to tell you, not a fisherman, but I am very aware of Captain Branch and he does

2786
03:54:33,320 --> 03:54:40,280
can get, I would like to see one, the data, but he's up to 20 million views.

2787
03:54:41,240 --> 03:54:49,900
This guy's no joke, but I would like it to be, I'm not going to support this today, because I want

2788
03:54:49,900 --> 03:54:57,620
it to come back with saying where these six fishing charters are going to go, because there is no

2789
03:54:57,620 --> 03:55:02,280
way I would want it to all be Christopher. You can say almost that's it, but I want to see it,

2790
03:55:02,280 --> 03:55:04,680
I want to see it in black and white.

2791
03:55:05,960 --> 03:55:11,880
I want to see where we'd be positioned for 18,000 on the boat.

2792
03:55:12,200 --> 03:55:13,700
We're going to be behind the motor.

2793
03:55:14,420 --> 03:55:16,860
There's just some questions I would like to see.

2794
03:55:17,620 --> 03:55:20,220
But if I just had a little bit more data,

2795
03:55:20,760 --> 03:55:24,020
I would definitely support this because of Captain Branch.

2796
03:55:25,420 --> 03:55:27,700
But I want to see what you plan for the lakes,

2797
03:55:27,960 --> 03:55:29,140
what you plan for home as NASA.

2798
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:30,960
Who would be taking out?

2799
03:55:30,960 --> 03:55:33,340
because I don't know who you take out.

2800
03:55:33,540 --> 03:55:35,960
You got a lot of perks in a lot of these things,

2801
03:55:36,160 --> 03:55:37,700
but I never know who goes out.

2802
03:55:38,020 --> 03:55:41,140
What media goes out, or is it just you, John,

2803
03:55:41,280 --> 03:55:43,600
going out on six, done the tours all the time?

2804
03:55:44,120 --> 03:55:45,300
Is it, is it good for your Davis?

2805
03:55:45,460 --> 03:55:47,300
Are you out there fishing all the time?

2806
03:55:47,440 --> 03:55:48,260
And I don't know it.

2807
03:55:48,340 --> 03:55:51,660
But I just would like a little bit more information.

2808
03:55:51,860 --> 03:55:54,540
And I do think I understand where you're going,

2809
03:55:54,660 --> 03:55:56,800
but I think that you need to give us a little bit more

2810
03:55:56,800 --> 03:55:57,360
information.

2811
03:55:57,960 --> 03:55:58,780
You're fine, mate.

2812
03:55:58,780 --> 03:55:59,680
Yes.

2813
03:56:00,620 --> 03:56:02,480
Thanks for throwing that out there.

2814
03:56:02,940 --> 03:56:04,340
No, I have never been on one.

2815
03:56:05,300 --> 03:56:08,720
I believe the only staff that may go out there is the

2816
03:56:08,720 --> 03:56:13,080
is possibly Terry that I'm not sure who handles the fam trips.

2817
03:56:14,220 --> 03:56:17,040
It's everybody but me pretty much.

2818
03:56:17,760 --> 03:56:20,920
It depends on where we are in terms of conferences,

2819
03:56:20,920 --> 03:56:28,160
trade shows, but the material in Jody are there are two primary dealers and Terry works

2820
03:56:28,160 --> 03:56:33,960
with the travel trade, the people that are booking the rooms and Jody generally handles

2821
03:56:33,960 --> 03:56:34,440
the media.

2822
03:56:35,700 --> 03:56:40,460
So I just want to introduce a different thought here.

2823
03:56:42,720 --> 03:56:49,120
If we are to work as a team, we really need to try to respect each other's experiences and what

2824
03:56:49,120 --> 03:56:49,660
we're doing.

2825
03:56:49,660 --> 03:56:52,860
The TDC board is working very hard on this.

2826
03:56:53,040 --> 03:56:54,680
I have heard everybody loud and clear.

2827
03:56:55,120 --> 03:57:00,920
I do understand that the perception is that we're not working outside of

2828
03:57:00,920 --> 03:57:06,120
Christopher, I've already put multiple things in motion to

2829
03:57:06,120 --> 03:57:07,900
assuage all of those concerns.

2830
03:57:08,480 --> 03:57:12,760
I believe including Mr. Pricer will be giving a full presentation of

2831
03:57:12,760 --> 03:57:15,460
everything that the TDC does next to you.

2832
03:57:15,460 --> 03:57:20,700
to make sure that the commission is comfortable with all of that.

2833
03:57:21,360 --> 03:57:26,480
And so I would just like to suggest that we need to still try to keep things moving

2834
03:57:26,480 --> 03:57:29,440
while those changes are taking effect.

2835
03:57:29,620 --> 03:57:35,700
We have much, much, much bigger priorities that we need to focus on.

2836
03:57:37,260 --> 03:57:37,820
And all it would,

2837
03:57:39,940 --> 03:57:42,200
we keep knocking it out of the park

2838
03:57:42,200 --> 03:57:49,060
with our budget keeps going up and up and up and up because we are doing things right.

2839
03:57:51,410 --> 03:57:55,550
And so ultimately, you know, we've had a staff morale problem in the past.

2840
03:57:55,710 --> 03:57:57,010
I think that's getting a lot better.

2841
03:57:57,710 --> 03:58:05,670
We need to not go backwards in that area with the BCB staff as a whole because they all watch this.

2842
03:58:07,270 --> 03:58:11,110
Well, I'm glad they watched it and I hope they hear me when I say,

2843
03:58:11,110 --> 03:58:18,470
This has nothing to do with trust. I want to know what the plan is that if this is coming before me

2844
03:58:18,470 --> 03:58:28,690
I'm not gonna just blindly because I think you're a media genius. I want to know where they're going to be what the plan is.

2845
03:58:29,110 --> 03:58:36,390
Just saying hey, we're going to do this. There's six trips and I mean there's a lot of questions. So like I said

2846
03:58:36,390 --> 03:58:41,450
It has nothing to do with trust or morale of the TDC staff.

2847
03:58:42,230 --> 03:58:48,390
This is give us a little bit better information with more information so that when we get

2848
03:58:48,390 --> 03:58:54,810
the emails and we get it because I get the heat, I want to say I voted for this because

2849
03:58:54,810 --> 03:59:00,150
I'm going to tell you right now they get 20 million views but I'm not seeing any backup data

2850
03:59:00,150 --> 03:59:01,470
in any of this.

2851
03:59:01,470 --> 03:59:08,450
I'm just a trust that is that is right and I'm just I'm that's all I have to say

2852
03:59:08,450 --> 03:59:17,330
Would you refresh my memory, John was the presentation more detail of them with us in our B.O.C. because it's been a couple of weeks

2853
03:59:17,330 --> 03:59:19,790
No, this is what this is what was provided like up branch

2854
03:59:19,790 --> 03:59:24,490
And he was there. He made a he made a verbal presentation at the T.D.C. meeting

2855
03:59:24,490 --> 03:59:30,570
So that's on camera on video on exactly everything that was included. It was at the January

2856
03:59:30,570 --> 03:59:39,550
of 23 meeting. You know the day I'll go watch it. Second Wednesday of January. I mean that's

2857
03:59:39,550 --> 03:59:49,110
that's when we meet. I don't remember the digit currently. 1-11. Very good. Is this your base? You had

2858
03:59:49,110 --> 03:59:49,790
something?

2859
03:59:52,620 --> 03:59:56,540
If somebody was going to go out and buy this meaty package because that's exactly kind of

2860
03:59:56,540 --> 03:59:59,000
how I see it, that we're subsidizing.

2861
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,280
This person's advertising media. What would this package cost anybody else to go out and buy?

2862
04:00:09,050 --> 04:00:15,650
I don't have an answer for that one. This is what was presented to us, and I don't know if we got a hometown discount,

2863
04:00:16,010 --> 04:00:23,350
because he's a local versus a national show. I thought it was a further, the amount of what we're getting.

2864
04:00:23,350 --> 04:00:24,930
I thought it was very much in line.

2865
04:00:25,430 --> 04:00:29,230
We've paid more for other things.

2866
04:00:29,930 --> 04:00:35,990
And I think this one was, I think it was a very much in line.

2867
04:00:36,230 --> 04:00:41,010
I think the ability to showcase a homegrown talent

2868
04:00:41,470 --> 04:00:44,390
is important as well that we show that we're

2869
04:00:44,390 --> 04:00:47,730
that the county is supportive of the local entrepreneurs.

2870
04:00:48,650 --> 04:00:51,290
And I believe that, like I said,

2871
04:00:51,290 --> 04:00:57,270
is, through waypoint, if it was just on some other type of network, I don't think we would have

2872
04:00:58,110 --> 04:01:01,110
been as enthusiastic about bringing it forward.

2873
04:01:02,370 --> 04:01:10,290
But because the documented views that you that waypoint generates and its lead in the fishing

2874
04:01:10,290 --> 04:01:17,350
content area, made it something that we definitely were excited about to bring forward

2875
04:01:17,350 --> 04:01:20,250
to the TEC and ultimately to the commission.

2876
04:01:25,410 --> 04:01:26,090
Anything else?

2877
04:01:28,710 --> 04:01:31,210
Why is there a time limit on this?

2878
04:01:32,210 --> 04:01:34,550
You said that this fall is moving.

2879
04:01:35,510 --> 04:01:39,010
And why can't I have the time to go watch this?

2880
04:01:39,290 --> 04:01:40,310
Is there time, Sunson?

2881
04:01:44,560 --> 04:01:49,640
I mean, if you need two weeks to, I think two weeks would.

2882
04:01:49,640 --> 04:01:50,940
No, we don't mean to.

2883
04:01:51,220 --> 04:01:51,840
For another two weeks.

2884
04:01:51,840 --> 04:01:54,920
Well, I know, but I know that was the next day.

2885
04:01:54,920 --> 04:02:00,000
So if two weeks is sufficient, then yeah, that will be fine.

2886
04:02:00,240 --> 04:02:07,180
I'm already making the presentation that day, so that will be just another item that we could do.

2887
04:02:07,560 --> 04:02:18,920
It was more of a global comment that so much attention has been focused on every single thing that TVC sends forward to BCC right now seems to get

2888
04:02:18,920 --> 04:02:24,240
come up in the works and I just want I was trying to make sure that you knew that you

2889
04:02:24,240 --> 04:02:28,980
everyone has been heard and we're working on this stuff but there's some things that

2890
04:02:30,120 --> 04:02:35,640
I thought were easier proves. However, it totally let's wait two weeks. Find with me.

2891
04:02:36,240 --> 04:02:42,100
Yeah, because it just mentions red fish and found out that's only two areas of the county.

2892
04:02:42,720 --> 04:02:47,560
Six trips didn't tell me who was going on the trips. There's a lot of, I mean,

2893
04:02:47,560 --> 04:02:51,400
Yeah, and things are being watched and the staff needs to hear that.

2894
04:02:51,640 --> 04:02:52,680
Everything is being watched.

2895
04:02:52,860 --> 04:02:54,420
Everything is being watched.

2896
04:02:55,220 --> 04:02:58,600
So it doesn't mean that this is in a good project.

2897
04:02:59,000 --> 04:03:00,720
Like I said, I'm very aware of this captain.

2898
04:03:01,720 --> 04:03:04,740
If I had a little blur information, I'd be voting for it right now,

2899
04:03:04,880 --> 04:03:08,280
because of Captain Breach's track record.

2900
04:03:10,440 --> 04:03:11,200
Madam Chair.

2901
04:03:11,380 --> 04:03:11,640
Yes.

2902
04:03:12,660 --> 04:03:16,700
I guess I set through these meetings.

2903
04:03:16,700 --> 04:03:22,500
And so I hear everything first hand and I prepare for the meeting and all of that and it's obviously been a while

2904
04:03:22,500 --> 04:03:24,120
I didn't even re-review this

2905
04:03:25,340 --> 04:03:28,200
So so what do you I'm just saying that it's

2906
04:03:30,400 --> 04:03:30,780
I

2907
04:03:31,620 --> 04:03:35,860
The more detail part and everything like that like I see all that detail

2908
04:03:36,380 --> 04:03:45,180
So I understand what I'm hearing you is that you need to hear see all that detail to double check the other boards work and that's fine

2909
04:03:45,600 --> 04:03:46,680
It can wait

2910
04:03:46,680 --> 04:03:50,240
So, we have a motion on this, would you?

2911
04:03:50,400 --> 04:03:54,320
I will revise the motion to table it for two weeks.

2912
04:03:54,800 --> 04:03:57,740
And I will revise my second to table it.

2913
04:03:58,200 --> 04:03:59,820
Thank you.

2914
04:04:00,480 --> 04:04:02,540
Madam Chair, before they were done,

2915
04:04:02,540 --> 04:04:06,940
correction I need to make earlier Commissioner Davis talked about the division of the pennies.

2916
04:04:07,240 --> 04:04:10,320
This is actually a reserve fund, the special projects,

2917
04:04:12,320 --> 04:04:15,060
and Commissioner Davis and I had a discussion about

2918
04:04:15,060 --> 04:04:19,920
It's at the right name for it as it's really an advertising opportunity fund.

2919
04:04:20,680 --> 04:04:27,160
I found out that it's part of our admin regulations regarding the VCP reserve funds as

2920
04:04:27,160 --> 04:04:28,600
why it's called special projects.

2921
04:04:29,320 --> 04:04:34,060
So somewhere along the lines when this reserve was created, that was the name it was given.

2922
04:04:34,820 --> 04:04:40,200
So unless we change the AR, no matter, we can't really officially change the name,

2923
04:04:40,200 --> 04:04:47,240
But the use of the fund is advertising opportunities.

2924
04:04:48,120 --> 04:04:50,200
And some of these things, I heard Commissioner Frederick

2925
04:04:50,200 --> 04:04:53,860
and talking about the budget and allocating it.

2926
04:04:54,040 --> 04:04:54,880
We do that.

2927
04:04:55,140 --> 04:04:56,700
These are opportunities that come along

2928
04:04:56,700 --> 04:04:59,640
that we did know about, as I've already submitted,

2929
04:04:59,740 --> 04:05:03,520
the budget for review in March.

2930
04:05:03,720 --> 04:05:05,060
It would have to be in the system.

2931
04:05:05,800 --> 04:05:08,380
And we're talking about things that were presented in January of 23.

2932
04:05:08,380 --> 04:05:17,780
I can't forecast everything, so this opportunity to move money into our advertising budget allows

2933
04:05:17,780 --> 04:05:26,340
us to utilize the successes of the program. The last two years have been record years, but

2934
04:05:26,340 --> 04:05:33,160
unless we have access to these transfers, the department doesn't get a chance to utilize

2935
04:05:33,160 --> 04:05:38,760
some of the spoils, so to speak, and reinvest those things into the marketing.

2936
04:05:39,580 --> 04:05:40,680
So, I'm sure.

2937
04:05:42,020 --> 04:05:42,160
Yeah.

2938
04:05:42,500 --> 04:05:43,120
Hold on.

2939
04:05:43,580 --> 04:05:45,200
I appreciate that.

2940
04:05:45,580 --> 04:05:46,880
I'm going to say it again.

2941
04:05:47,180 --> 04:05:48,320
I hope you're staff here, sis.

2942
04:05:48,560 --> 04:05:52,140
The only district that doesn't have tours and don't get anything from y'all.

2943
04:05:52,900 --> 04:05:54,540
But, I did hear.

2944
04:05:54,880 --> 04:05:58,320
Commissioner Davis say, I'd like to start doing something district three.

2945
04:05:58,540 --> 04:05:59,560
I didn't appreciate it that.

2946
04:05:59,560 --> 04:06:07,160
But that being said, you are under a microscope, especially for me, because I'm very sensitive to this.

2947
04:06:07,380 --> 04:06:10,060
I want to know where this money is going throughout the rest of the county.

2948
04:06:10,480 --> 04:06:14,960
I know you're saying that, but if you don't show me that it's going to go somewhere,

2949
04:06:15,460 --> 04:06:18,820
then I just have to always trust you that you're doing that.

2950
04:06:18,900 --> 04:06:21,840
It's not an always thing. That's what I was saying. It's all in the works.

2951
04:06:22,500 --> 04:06:28,660
Right, but that's what I want. So if you're hearing me, I want to know what area that this is going to target where we're going.

2952
04:06:32,860 --> 04:06:36,900
Don't do that, Frank, because I will all ask and don't be disrespectful.

2953
04:06:38,260 --> 04:06:38,590
Thank you.

2954
04:06:39,460 --> 04:06:40,840
Commissioner Finning, if you want to say something.

2955
04:06:40,900 --> 04:06:41,400
I have a question.

2956
04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:41,860
Yes.

2957
04:06:42,480 --> 04:06:46,820
You're saying that this money may be something called special projects.

2958
04:06:47,380 --> 04:06:53,660
So my question to you is, is this in the same pot of money or a different pot of money,

2959
04:06:54,480 --> 04:06:59,460
then special projects such as the River Restoration Money that we just expanded?

2960
04:07:01,480 --> 04:07:11,720
That is the capital 1% that what we did for Save Crystal River and what the River Project received comes from the capital portion that is set aside.

2961
04:07:12,440 --> 04:07:22,680
This is when, so for example, we budgeted 1.8 last year for our budget, which is 80% of the money.

2962
04:07:22,680 --> 04:07:33,160
We collected 3.1 million total, so 80% of that is to six in that neighborhood, so the difference

2963
04:07:33,160 --> 04:07:42,900
between our budget and what we generated revenue-wise, that gets fixed at the true of time,

2964
04:07:43,300 --> 04:07:45,220
and that goes into the special projects fund.

2965
04:07:47,720 --> 04:07:53,400
Anything we do above budget goes in there as a reserve.

2966
04:07:55,130 --> 04:08:08,770
So to answer my question, is the set of the same budget line part of money where you can do the river restoration projects or other special projects or is this a different line item?

2967
04:08:08,770 --> 04:08:11,070
I had this, it's a different fund.

2968
04:08:11,690 --> 04:08:13,870
This special project is a different fund.

2969
04:08:14,530 --> 04:08:18,170
The capital items is its own fund and it only, only.

2970
04:08:19,570 --> 04:08:24,130
So, we are two, two, we are two, one, two, two.

2971
04:08:24,190 --> 04:08:26,430
And the special project, I mean, that special project,

2972
04:08:26,630 --> 04:08:28,470
and capital is two, two, one, H.

2973
04:08:29,590 --> 04:08:34,330
So those are, that's the, I don't believe the capital

2974
04:08:34,330 --> 04:08:37,750
wants to list it on that, if that's our summary of accounts,

2975
04:08:37,750 --> 04:08:39,650
I don't believe it's on there.

2976
04:08:39,990 --> 04:08:43,110
If it is, it's on the very last numbers.

2977
04:08:46,010 --> 04:08:47,950
There's a indirect cost budget adjustment,

2978
04:08:48,390 --> 04:08:49,730
reserved carry forward budget adjustment,

2979
04:08:50,130 --> 04:08:51,030
reserved cash forward.

2980
04:08:51,470 --> 04:08:51,610
I don't know.

2981
04:08:51,610 --> 04:08:54,030
Yes, I don't believe the capital gets budgeted in that big budget.

2982
04:08:54,250 --> 04:08:55,750
There's a special project, 5821.

2983
04:08:56,370 --> 04:08:56,750
Correct.

2984
04:08:57,370 --> 04:08:58,990
Which it looks like it's a $1 million.

2985
04:09:00,270 --> 04:09:03,070
That would be right at the beginning of the fiscal year.

2986
04:09:03,530 --> 04:09:06,710
And is that's where this money is coming from or no?

2987
04:09:06,710 --> 04:09:09,690
The 18,000 is coming from that number correct.

2988
04:09:09,690 --> 04:09:11,890
The river money is coming from this or now.

2989
04:09:11,930 --> 04:09:14,990
No, that's coming from the capital, which is a different fund.

2990
04:09:15,210 --> 04:09:17,570
Thank you for clearing that up for me.

2991
04:09:18,050 --> 04:09:24,750
And if there is money in this special project's budget at the end of the year,

2992
04:09:25,010 --> 04:09:28,650
and it's true to, does it still stay in that category?

2993
04:09:28,930 --> 04:09:30,870
Or does it get pushed in the capital or is that in the lab?

2994
04:09:30,890 --> 04:09:33,650
No, it stays in that reserve fund.

2995
04:09:33,650 --> 04:09:37,990
So it rises and falls depending on how well we do.

2996
04:09:38,110 --> 04:09:47,030
I do want to say for Commissioner Davis' benefit that your well-experienced

2997
04:09:47,030 --> 04:09:54,730
marketing, it seems that I think to wait is prudent for the community because for whatever reason

2998
04:09:54,730 --> 04:10:01,790
the community has been emailing a lot about this fund, TDC.

2999
04:10:01,790 --> 04:10:09,010
So, for us to have all the information, and I hope when you come back, that you don't rely on us watching the show,

3000
04:10:09,550 --> 04:10:17,150
I think there was a lot of questions asked, and I would really like to see everything and great detail in the back of documentation,

3001
04:10:17,650 --> 04:10:24,130
because that is public record, and I think that only benefits you, and the TDC and all of the commissioners,

3002
04:10:24,390 --> 04:10:28,810
so that when we do get emails, asking to explain things, we can explain things very well.

3003
04:10:29,570 --> 04:10:31,230
I'm going to thank you for that.

3004
04:10:31,570 --> 04:10:32,430
It's all in the works.

3005
04:10:32,770 --> 04:10:33,430
Thank you.

3006
04:10:35,820 --> 04:10:36,340
Miss Flint.

3007
04:10:36,700 --> 04:10:36,720
Yes.

3008
04:10:36,740 --> 04:10:37,200
Thank you.

3009
04:10:37,340 --> 04:10:43,560
I asked Miss Parker that the agenda cut off deadline for the next meeting was April 20th.

3010
04:10:43,860 --> 04:10:46,360
So I think the motion was to bring it back in two weeks.

3011
04:10:46,880 --> 04:10:51,460
Again, could if we could just say bring it back on the next available agenda rather than two weeks.

3012
04:10:51,500 --> 04:10:53,600
Because we're not going to make it.

3013
04:10:54,640 --> 04:10:54,960
Wait.

3014
04:10:56,880 --> 04:10:58,840
April 20th is a Thursday.

3015
04:10:58,840 --> 04:11:01,260
That's the agenda cut off.

3016
04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:05,100
That's when we have to have all the materials in the system.

3017
04:11:05,380 --> 04:11:12,040
Our next meeting is until May 11th, and your agendas come out a week in advance.

3018
04:11:14,280 --> 04:11:16,380
The pessimist or preacher will need some time.

3019
04:11:17,400 --> 04:11:18,200
That's okay.

3020
04:11:18,200 --> 04:11:19,300
You're given the presentation.

3021
04:11:19,720 --> 04:11:20,460
Give them a beer bowl.

3022
04:11:21,640 --> 04:11:24,000
He's going to be here, giving a presentation.

3023
04:11:24,720 --> 04:11:25,900
I don't think it's that hard.

3024
04:11:26,060 --> 04:11:27,320
The few questions we ask.

3025
04:11:27,620 --> 04:11:27,640
No.

3026
04:11:27,640 --> 04:11:33,480
What I'm saying is the agenda cut off.

3027
04:11:33,700 --> 04:11:36,500
I think he's on the next agenda is what she's saying.

3028
04:11:37,160 --> 04:11:42,400
He's already on the agenda and this could just be included with what he's his presentation on the next agenda.

3029
04:11:43,660 --> 04:11:45,880
The agenda's already done for the next meeting.

3030
04:11:46,060 --> 04:11:47,680
I understand, but he's on the agenda.

3031
04:11:48,320 --> 04:11:50,960
For a different, you want this agenda item.

3032
04:11:51,140 --> 04:11:56,460
You're tabling this agenda item, which means this backup material is going to go forward.

3033
04:12:05,000 --> 04:12:16,120
If I may ask Madam Attorney, what do we legally have to do to allow staff to add this item into his presentation and make it a voting document?

3034
04:12:16,520 --> 04:12:17,940
What motion do I need to make?

3035
04:12:20,190 --> 04:12:24,110
How is the agenda done if I don't get the agenda and fill May 2?

3036
04:12:25,730 --> 04:12:32,430
Because it takes time for all of the departments to review and we have to have deadlines.

3037
04:12:32,430 --> 04:12:36,390
I understand that, but the Commissioner deadlines are this Friday.

3038
04:12:38,090 --> 04:12:38,330
Correct.

3039
04:12:38,330 --> 04:12:39,270
This coming Saturday.

3040
04:12:39,930 --> 04:12:46,050
So I'm asking you what motion do I need to make to take this agenda item with all

3041
04:12:46,050 --> 04:12:51,170
of its backup and put it into his presentation and making an voting item?

3042
04:12:51,630 --> 04:12:56,390
I don't know the answer to that because that's outside of our rules and regulations.

3043
04:12:56,390 --> 04:13:07,290
So, we tried to discourage commissioners from putting agenda items on that staff as opposed to put on.

3044
04:13:07,490 --> 04:13:08,190
I don't know.

3045
04:13:08,430 --> 04:13:11,170
The administrator and the assistant administrator are here.

3046
04:13:11,570 --> 04:13:14,450
I don't know how they want to handle this.

3047
04:13:14,490 --> 04:13:15,450
I'm just the lawyer.

3048
04:13:15,870 --> 04:13:16,990
I'm just the lawyer.

3049
04:13:17,390 --> 04:13:18,130
Yeah, I think we can take.

3050
04:13:18,350 --> 04:13:19,030
We've got directions.

3051
04:13:19,290 --> 04:13:20,290
I think from the board and more.

3052
04:13:20,590 --> 04:13:24,770
I think Commissioner Davis can put it on her agenda item.

3053
04:13:24,770 --> 04:13:31,330
If her deadline is Friday, I mean, this isn't, you know, brain surgery.

3054
04:13:31,910 --> 04:13:33,310
Rob's gonna say rocket science.

3055
04:13:33,710 --> 04:13:40,830
I mean, does it, nobody wants to, like, do we have to put it on the next agenda?

3056
04:13:40,890 --> 04:13:41,290
Is it that important?

3057
04:13:41,290 --> 04:13:41,850
It's just at a point.

3058
04:13:41,910 --> 04:13:42,010
It's just at a point.

3059
04:13:42,270 --> 04:13:45,750
And one fell sweet with this presentation.

3060
04:13:47,250 --> 04:13:48,690
That's that we're taking our others.

3061
04:13:49,070 --> 04:13:49,550
I mean, I'm in different.

3062
04:13:50,110 --> 04:13:54,170
However, however, the OSF staff work it out.

3063
04:13:54,170 --> 04:13:56,370
You have a motion before to table it.

3064
04:13:56,650 --> 04:13:57,170
Mm-hmm.

3065
04:13:57,170 --> 04:13:58,110
I have a second.

3066
04:13:59,330 --> 04:14:00,290
Do I need to open it up?

3067
04:14:00,470 --> 04:14:01,990
Did I already open up the public comment?

3068
04:14:02,830 --> 04:14:03,950
I don't even know where I'm at.

3069
04:14:04,010 --> 04:14:04,730
I don't believe so.

3070
04:14:05,350 --> 04:14:05,590
Okay.

3071
04:14:05,710 --> 04:14:06,450
Thank you, sir.

3072
04:14:07,370 --> 04:14:08,970
So if we're tabling it,

3073
04:14:09,130 --> 04:14:11,270
figure it out.

3074
04:14:11,910 --> 04:14:13,410
Staff will figure it out.

3075
04:14:16,140 --> 04:14:19,580
And I know I need to open it up for public comment.

3076
04:14:20,260 --> 04:14:23,100
Sir, any public comment on E9?

3077
04:14:24,320 --> 04:14:24,940
Mr. Davis.

3078
04:14:31,070 --> 04:14:40,590
Hi, Jean Davis. I'm a lifetime resident of Inverness City Council member, and I just want to commend you for opening up the dialogue on the

3079
04:14:40,590 --> 04:14:49,550
Emberness East Side and West Side. I can tell you that from council and me as a resident being here, we feel like we're a redhead and step child to

3080
04:14:49,550 --> 04:14:57,790
Crystal River. When we see millions of dollars that are being collected and and I honestly, I've watched the fishing shows and I see a little blurb

3081
04:14:57,790 --> 04:14:59,630
Ernesto Torcetti.

3082
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:09,720
It said, it's all about Christopher. And I would challenge you to say that number one, perceptions of funny thing. My perception of it can be different than your perception depends on where we're from.

3083
04:15:10,160 --> 04:15:26,840
But I would challenge you to say that when somebody comes to Christopher, the common, the common thread we continue here, we don't collect bad tax dollars over here. That is true. We don't have the hotels and hotels you have, but I can challenge you to say that those people go over, they may go see the manatees one day.

3084
04:15:26,840 --> 04:15:29,320
They may go fish a day and most of the time

3085
04:15:30,580 --> 04:15:33,640
Manipete manatee observers and the fishermen are two different classes people

3086
04:15:34,400 --> 04:15:39,640
Then they're coming over to Emerniss. They want to see the back trails. They want to see our 27-mile chain of blakes

3087
04:15:39,640 --> 04:15:42,600
They want to go downtown Emerniss. This is the county seat

3088
04:15:42,600 --> 04:15:48,780
But yeah, we get no credit for that extra night or two that's being spent over there. So anyway for transparency

3089
04:15:49,780 --> 04:15:56,720
Command you I would we look forward to working with commissioner Davis and the TDC and how we can how we can make

3090
04:15:56,720 --> 04:15:59,580
that a little fair process as we go forward.

3091
04:15:59,760 --> 04:16:01,880
But anyway, thank you for looking at it tonight.

3092
04:16:02,180 --> 04:16:02,640
Thank you.

3093
04:16:02,640 --> 04:16:03,560
Thank you, sir.

3094
04:16:04,240 --> 04:16:05,620
Any other public comment?

3095
04:16:07,740 --> 04:16:09,120
Any further board comment?

3096
04:16:11,200 --> 04:16:11,460
I do.

3097
04:16:11,800 --> 04:16:13,500
You have under it.

3098
04:16:13,760 --> 04:16:15,040
Visit Crystal River.

3099
04:16:15,420 --> 04:16:16,240
And then it has homelessness.

3100
04:16:16,820 --> 04:16:18,220
Inverness, floral city.

3101
04:16:18,660 --> 04:16:20,560
Can we add Beverly Hills in there?

3102
04:16:23,650 --> 04:16:24,410
Yes, Mr. Williams.

3103
04:16:24,490 --> 04:16:26,170
I would just like to tag on to that.

3104
04:16:27,070 --> 04:16:36,210
Sometimes I think the translation gets lost on tourism and bedtax and, you know, hotels but that

3105
04:16:36,210 --> 04:16:43,030
bedtax is collected on anything six months or less and we have a lot of rentals.

3106
04:16:43,330 --> 04:16:47,410
A lot of houses that work collecting that tax on on this side of the county.

3107
04:16:48,070 --> 04:16:52,350
You know, I know the cove has things you have all the RV parks.

3108
04:16:52,410 --> 04:16:54,470
You have a number of things that work collecting that on.

3109
04:16:54,470 --> 04:16:58,130
It doesn't mean because we don't have hotels over here necessarily that we're not contributing.

3110
04:16:59,190 --> 04:17:02,270
There is that other component where people are coming in.

3111
04:17:02,710 --> 04:17:05,690
So, you know, I think that would be very nice to bring that in.

3112
04:17:05,830 --> 04:17:13,910
I would also like to recommend that we may be based on the last couple of years of scalloping

3113
04:17:13,910 --> 04:17:18,570
that we shorten our scallop period just to give some reprieve.

3114
04:17:18,730 --> 04:17:24,150
I'm starting to hear that our scallop season is not as good as it used to be and that

3115
04:17:24,150 --> 04:17:28,390
need to give it an opportunity. So I think that's something worthy of looking at as well.

3116
04:17:30,090 --> 04:17:32,370
Okay, thank you. Any further board comment?

3117
04:17:37,830 --> 04:17:40,250
I'm giving you the opportunity. I cannot read your

3118
04:17:40,250 --> 04:17:47,110
mind. So you have to be out there with me. I'm like a dog with a bone when some go and I'm going. So I just

3119
04:17:47,110 --> 04:17:53,010
wanted to, I don't know if now was, I mean, we could talk to staff later, but Commissioner

3120
04:17:53,010 --> 04:17:59,390
and I cannot talk. So I might as well talk to you now. I have thought the same thing. I'm sure

3121
04:17:59,390 --> 04:18:04,830
tourism probably doesn't make that but there's not going to be any if we keep having these

3122
04:18:04,830 --> 04:18:10,070
dismal scallops seasons which the last year was very dismal in the year before that wasn't great.

3123
04:18:10,430 --> 04:18:15,990
I just don't know that we decide that I think it's safe, correct? Now we expanded hours really.

3124
04:18:16,350 --> 04:18:19,790
See this is why I have to see this is why we have to do it now because I can't how this comes

3125
04:18:19,790 --> 04:18:23,770
with her later, so I guess you want to say something about that.

3126
04:18:23,770 --> 04:18:25,390
If WC decides the seasons.

3127
04:18:25,530 --> 04:18:26,370
That's what I call it.

3128
04:18:26,390 --> 04:18:27,610
But you don't have to.

3129
04:18:27,630 --> 04:18:28,690
They decide the season.

3130
04:18:28,690 --> 04:18:31,150
You decide how long you want to open it for.

3131
04:18:31,430 --> 04:18:31,570
No.

3132
04:18:31,730 --> 04:18:34,430
If WC decides when the season starts and wins it ends.

3133
04:18:34,450 --> 04:18:36,070
I know, but you don't have to have it.

3134
04:18:36,210 --> 04:18:37,270
Open that entire period.

3135
04:18:39,850 --> 04:18:41,450
I don't know that for sure.

3136
04:18:41,830 --> 04:18:42,450
I will follow up.

3137
04:18:42,450 --> 04:18:44,850
And I know Casco is opening up their season.

3138
04:18:45,250 --> 04:18:47,990
So I think, I think Hernando is as well.

3139
04:18:47,990 --> 04:18:54,910
So, I think that what I do know about that breeding cycle, I think it's going to further

3140
04:18:54,910 --> 04:18:58,390
hamper what our production is going to be here.

3141
04:18:58,670 --> 04:19:04,590
My understanding was also that it's FWC, but Mr. Howard, if you have the appropriate staff

3142
04:19:04,590 --> 04:19:07,170
to get the appropriate answers, I would be fantastic.

3143
04:19:07,330 --> 04:19:08,670
We will do that.

3144
04:19:08,790 --> 04:19:09,490
Thank you.

3145
04:19:09,490 --> 04:19:09,950
Thank you, thank you.

3146
04:19:09,950 --> 04:19:10,630
Any further?

3147
04:19:11,310 --> 04:19:11,730
Board comment?

3148
04:19:12,970 --> 04:19:15,350
All in favor of tabling this, say aye.

3149
04:19:16,250 --> 04:19:16,530
Aye.

3150
04:19:16,530 --> 04:19:25,910
same name, that passes 4-0. Commissioner Bays on item E. I'll get it. Just give me a second.

3151
04:19:26,530 --> 04:19:35,710
E six, I need a vote for the release of retainage. I need your vote. E seven, fire service

3152
04:19:35,710 --> 04:19:43,050
assessment program. I need your vote. Approved. On E eight, waste disposal, account agreement,

3153
04:19:43,050 --> 04:19:52,250
right tree service. I need your vote. I approve. Thank you. Got that, Miss Amy? Yes, that's it. Thank you. Okay. Now we are in E 10.

3154
04:19:53,350 --> 04:20:01,170
I'm sure I make a mission to approve E 10. Second. I got a motion by Commissioner Finnegan. I heard

3155
04:20:01,170 --> 04:20:08,650
Commissioner Bay's first. Is there any public comment on E 10? Seeing none, is there any further board comment?

3156
04:20:08,650 --> 04:20:18,610
Hearing none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. That passes four zero. E 11 by send by

3157
04:20:18,610 --> 04:20:24,470
Senals Park and pool facility use agreement. Motion for for the 11.

3158
04:20:26,750 --> 04:20:28,650
Motion by Commissioner Finnigan.

3159
04:20:28,830 --> 04:20:35,790
I heard Commissioner Davis that time. Is there any public comment on E 11? Is there any further

3160
04:20:35,790 --> 04:20:46,550
board comment on e11. All in favor say aye. I oppose say nay. Passes 40. E12. E12 is

3161
04:20:46,550 --> 04:20:55,830
a FTA fiscal year 2023 certifications and assurances A, B, C, and D. Looking for a motion.

3162
04:20:56,010 --> 04:21:02,310
I'll make a motion to approve E12, A, B, C, and D. I have a motion by commissioner again. Second

3163
04:21:02,310 --> 04:21:08,130
by Commissioner Davis. Is there any board any public comment? Seeing none is there any further

3164
04:21:08,130 --> 04:21:17,070
board comment? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. The pass is four zero. We pulled

3165
04:21:17,070 --> 04:21:29,890
E 13 E 14. Make a vote for the 14. Motion by Commissioner Finnegan for the Florida Department

3166
04:21:29,890 --> 04:21:32,190
the Transportation State Block Grant.

3167
04:21:32,190 --> 04:21:33,330
I'm looking for a second.

3168
04:21:33,650 --> 04:21:34,330
The Mr. Davis.

3169
04:21:34,850 --> 04:21:37,210
Is there any public comment on E14?

3170
04:21:38,670 --> 04:21:40,810
Seeing none is there any further board comment?

3171
04:21:41,790 --> 04:21:43,230
All in favor say aye.

3172
04:21:43,410 --> 04:21:43,710
Aye.

3173
04:21:43,890 --> 04:21:45,270
Opposed say nay.

3174
04:21:45,810 --> 04:21:46,150
Aye, sorry.

3175
04:21:47,090 --> 04:21:47,850
The pass is 40.

3176
04:21:48,830 --> 04:21:51,130
E15, Transportation Disadvantaged Trip

3177
04:21:51,130 --> 04:21:52,750
and Equipment Grant Application.

3178
04:21:53,250 --> 04:21:54,810
One of my favorite boards, by the way.

3179
04:21:55,110 --> 04:21:56,130
Motion to approve E15.

3180
04:21:56,870 --> 04:21:57,430
Thank you.

3181
04:21:57,430 --> 04:22:00,530
Second. Motion by Commissioner Finnagan.

3182
04:22:03,200 --> 04:22:05,920
Second by Commissioner Davis. This is any public comment.

3183
04:22:06,880 --> 04:22:08,660
See, then, is there any further board comment?

3184
04:22:09,600 --> 04:22:14,520
Select your children. If you have a favorite, and you don't want to tell them, but this is one of my favorites.

3185
04:22:15,760 --> 04:22:25,980
Don't tell any of the other children. So all in favor say aye, aye. Opposed say nay passes 40. Thank you. E 16.

3186
04:22:26,640 --> 04:22:28,360
Motion to produce 16.

3187
04:22:29,480 --> 04:22:35,520
Mr. Finnagan for Citrus County Behavioral Health Transportation Plan. I'm looking for a second.

3188
04:22:35,520 --> 04:22:41,440
Like a child. I don't like commissioner Davis. Any public comment?

3189
04:22:42,180 --> 04:22:46,200
Seeing none any further board comment? All in favor say aye.

3190
04:22:46,980 --> 04:22:48,300
Opposed say nay.

3191
04:22:48,880 --> 04:22:51,380
Passes 4-0. E-17.

3192
04:22:51,680 --> 04:22:55,200
Course Civic Contract Monitoring Update for March 2020.

3193
04:22:55,820 --> 04:22:56,920
Mr. Howard.

3194
04:22:59,990 --> 04:23:04,670
I do not other than we continue to work close with them, I think we're getting close to

3195
04:23:04,670 --> 04:23:05,930
bringing forward an endendum.

3196
04:23:06,590 --> 04:23:10,530
And also I think they also have agreed to a contract monitor, which we're going to bring

3197
04:23:10,530 --> 04:23:11,790
forward as well at their expense.

3198
04:23:11,930 --> 04:23:16,210
I think that's all positive news as we continue to try to strengthen that relationship.

3199
04:23:17,150 --> 04:23:17,410
Thank you.

3200
04:23:18,530 --> 04:23:20,150
I'm looking to approve E-17.

3201
04:23:20,390 --> 04:23:21,770
Motion by Commissioner Bayes.

3202
04:23:21,770 --> 04:23:22,730
I'm looking for a second.

3203
04:23:23,490 --> 04:23:24,650
Second by Commissioner Finnigan.

3204
04:23:24,850 --> 04:23:27,070
Is there any public comment on course of it?

3205
04:23:27,070 --> 04:23:36,150
see none any further board comment. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Post say nay. Passes 4-0.

3206
04:23:38,310 --> 04:23:44,050
F. Outstanding Commission items. Mr. Howard. Just one item being told by staff that Mr.

3207
04:23:44,270 --> 04:23:48,970
Starrie, how will he smitting the permit application this week is what we're being told.

3208
04:23:49,650 --> 04:23:53,070
So we'll keep you updated if that materializes.

3209
04:23:53,070 --> 04:23:54,550
was. Okay,

3210
04:24:00,600 --> 04:24:07,680
is there anything else? It's all informational. That's all. Okay, item G, G1.

3211
04:24:08,220 --> 04:24:13,860
What else? Mary to come forward and maybe it's maybe a tag team with some of her staff and even

3212
04:24:13,860 --> 04:24:18,940
Eric. But this is this one item that was brought up during our strategic planning retreat to look at any

3213
04:24:18,940 --> 04:24:23,760
and all options and potential opportunities, tools in the toolbox. So this is one of the staff

3214
04:24:23,760 --> 04:24:27,740
I wanted to bring forward at least get some consideration a little bit of direction going forward.

3215
04:24:28,060 --> 04:24:28,760
So, thank you.

3216
04:24:29,900 --> 04:24:31,940
Good afternoon, Mary Jensen Public Works Director.

3217
04:24:32,860 --> 04:24:38,820
So, we have everything in place currently and we've had it since actually the AR was written in 1985.

3218
04:24:39,600 --> 04:24:42,940
We have the LDC is in conjunction with the AR.

3219
04:24:43,040 --> 04:24:49,880
They all are in agreement or the board to choose what roads they accept or do not accept.

3220
04:24:49,880 --> 04:24:52,480
both commercial and residential, both by family.

3221
04:24:53,700 --> 04:24:56,540
All that is in place, it has been in place

3222
04:24:56,540 --> 04:24:57,800
for many, many years.

3223
04:24:58,540 --> 04:25:02,400
Previous boards have chosen to have a preference

3224
04:25:02,400 --> 04:25:06,360
for which roads they accept for county maintenance

3225
04:25:06,360 --> 04:25:08,420
in which roads they do not accept.

3226
04:25:08,980 --> 04:25:12,220
In the past, the preference has been commercial,

3227
04:25:12,880 --> 04:25:16,740
they do not accept residential roads they do.

3228
04:25:16,740 --> 04:25:26,380
And as budgets get tightened and gas tax is non-existent, it's going down every year, we

3229
04:25:26,380 --> 04:25:33,240
as staff are just asking the board if it's still your preference to actually accept residential

3230
04:25:33,240 --> 04:25:36,360
roads or is there a new preference?

3231
04:25:36,360 --> 04:25:44,780
Perhaps maybe to look at it more in-depth, Eric Joanna, Walt and I, and Carl, when I'll look

3232
04:25:44,780 --> 04:25:51,000
each development, each road, you know, if it's a collector, maybe we accept that road, but perhaps

3233
04:25:51,700 --> 04:25:56,980
at the board's discretion, maybe we don't accept a blanket of residential, maybe we do.

3234
04:25:57,360 --> 04:26:01,600
We just, after this really wants to see the direction that the board wants us to continue to go on.

3235
04:26:01,620 --> 04:26:04,020
If it's something different, or if it's the same.

3236
04:26:04,320 --> 04:26:10,200
And as county engineer, I do bring every road up to you to bring into our system, so I would like direction as well.

3237
04:26:12,350 --> 04:26:14,250
We want to start.

3238
04:26:15,470 --> 04:26:19,630
You don't mean how like roads or back there up.

3239
04:26:23,370 --> 04:26:27,790
I think this is a great opportunity to take as a county to look at this.

3240
04:26:29,330 --> 04:26:34,450
We know the deficit that we have been funding to maintain our roads currently.

3241
04:26:35,630 --> 04:26:37,810
We have a lot of new developments coming in.

3242
04:26:37,810 --> 04:26:43,410
And I think, as you said, our plant or land development code right now for any of these

3243
04:26:44,030 --> 04:26:49,410
PUDs, they would have to build them to county standards, but we don't have to accept them.

3244
04:26:50,690 --> 04:26:56,710
So from my standpoint, this is an opportunity that we, you know, we're going to have to

3245
04:26:56,710 --> 04:26:57,370
grow up.

3246
04:26:57,370 --> 04:27:03,810
We're going to have to start to be like counties surrounding us, stop accepting these roads.

3247
04:27:03,810 --> 04:27:10,390
they'll have to put a mechanism in place in these large-scale subdivisions that will maintain

3248
04:27:10,390 --> 04:27:21,230
these roads because I think we're going to hear more discussion we have not maybe the next

3249
04:27:21,230 --> 04:27:28,830
agenda or maybe sometime next month we're going to be talking about an MSTU or BU on how

3250
04:27:28,830 --> 04:27:36,830
going to fund roads. So, this is an opportunity that we can start to divest

3251
04:27:36,830 --> 04:27:42,370
ourselves of having to have those funds allocated in these subdivisions.

3252
04:27:43,390 --> 04:27:49,990
One caveat that I'm concerned about, and you know, we did have that you and I've had

3253
04:27:49,990 --> 04:27:56,470
this conversation in Joanne is, what are we going to do, and how would we handle some of these

3254
04:27:57,870 --> 04:28:06,470
smaller areas that are, you know, maybe dirt or limerach roads that somebody can just go in and build a house and might be, you know, five acre lots.

3255
04:28:06,710 --> 04:28:11,490
We used Cardinal as an example, some little roads off of that.

3256
04:28:12,030 --> 04:28:22,450
That's been developed years ago, but what would be, I'd like to hear some of your thoughts, maybe you're not prepared today to talk about that, but I do see that as a problem.

3257
04:28:22,450 --> 04:28:29,310
I think there's particularly on the east side of the county.

3258
04:28:29,710 --> 04:28:36,730
There's some areas that you almost need like a sand buggy to get to them.

3259
04:28:37,370 --> 04:28:41,670
And then I'm fearful that we'll end up in the same situation like we did with the

3260
04:28:41,670 --> 04:28:43,190
Embroness village as four.

3261
04:28:43,430 --> 04:28:48,690
If we're not cognizant and have a plan of action for those type developments.

3262
04:28:48,690 --> 04:28:55,990
So, I'll color outside the lines, I'll look to our attorney, she's phenomenal, and also

3263
04:28:55,990 --> 04:28:56,350
Joanna.

3264
04:28:57,070 --> 04:29:03,690
But, unfortunately, we do have plats that exist that are old and we could potentially end

3265
04:29:03,690 --> 04:29:09,110
up with situations like Invernance Village or again in various places throughout our county.

3266
04:29:09,250 --> 04:29:17,250
We don't have, and this is where I'm looking to our attorney, the mechanisms in place to stop

3267
04:29:17,250 --> 04:29:24,130
that. There's nothing legal that I'm aware of, necessarily, that we can do to fix the past

3268
04:29:24,130 --> 04:29:24,530
extent.

3269
04:29:24,650 --> 04:29:31,250
I'm not going forward. Going forward, if we have a situation where we just have some

3270
04:29:31,250 --> 04:29:35,710
roads that's not really a subdivision, but somebody can go in by a piece of property,

3271
04:29:36,750 --> 04:29:41,650
develop, you know, put a house on it, it could be maybe, you know, two houses, four houses,

3272
04:29:41,730 --> 04:29:46,950
six houses, whatever it is, it's not really a subdivision, it's just a road. What is

3273
04:29:46,950 --> 04:29:52,770
Your consideration or your ideas or thoughts about going forward with those types of situations.

3274
04:29:53,330 --> 04:29:55,530
I think it all depends on the plant.

3275
04:29:58,880 --> 04:29:59,980
Do we have a way to...

3276
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:09,600
Make to require them to build those roads to a county standard, or can we have step zones for development

3277
04:30:09,600 --> 04:30:10,180
of those?

3278
04:30:10,780 --> 04:30:14,720
So I don't think Joanna is here and I don't know if Eric knows off the top of his head, but

3279
04:30:14,720 --> 04:30:22,080
we do have a provision in the LDC that you can't build a single family. You can't subdivide

3280
04:30:22,080 --> 04:30:28,320
something, like you're describing, like if there's one lot of record and there's one

3281
04:30:28,320 --> 04:30:33,740
house to be built on that one lot, someone can't go in and build five houses without providing

3282
04:30:33,740 --> 04:30:39,160
actually. They would have to plant that. Well, I think we're missing the point. What I'm trying

3283
04:30:39,160 --> 04:30:46,300
to say is that if we had, I'll use Thomas Road off of Cardinal as an example. So it was a road,

3284
04:30:46,680 --> 04:30:54,100
but there's maybe five acre tracks. And so there's several homes that are built along that particular

3285
04:30:54,100 --> 04:30:59,940
road. That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm not talking about a parcel and somebody

3286
04:30:59,940 --> 04:31:04,680
dividing it up. I'm saying if we've, if it's already been plated, but there's no real road

3287
04:31:04,680 --> 04:31:10,580
to it. And somebody wants to come in and buy 10 acres and build a house and the next person wants

3288
04:31:10,580 --> 04:31:17,560
to build, you know, buy 10 acres and build a house. Can't is there some mechanism in our land development

3289
04:31:17,560 --> 04:31:23,980
code that we can get to so that they just can't build on dirt roads and then, or can we have

3290
04:31:23,980 --> 04:31:29,360
that zoning that you have to have a line-rock based road that you're going to maintain, or

3291
04:31:29,360 --> 04:31:32,100
the, I see what you're saying.

3292
04:31:32,160 --> 04:31:35,800
So you're talking about an existing plat that's old.

3293
04:31:36,440 --> 04:31:36,580
Yes.

3294
04:31:36,580 --> 04:31:38,040
And somebody wants to come in today.

3295
04:31:38,740 --> 04:31:46,200
Today, just like with Invernous Villages for, we do not have anything within our LDC that would require

3296
04:31:46,200 --> 04:31:50,140
someone to have a paved road before they build a house.

3297
04:31:50,340 --> 04:31:53,200
So we have nothing in the LDC at this time.

3298
04:31:53,200 --> 04:32:01,040
You could certainly put something in your LDC that says that you can't build on a non-paved road

3299
04:32:01,040 --> 04:32:03,640
But you are going to

3300
04:32:03,640 --> 04:32:12,280
You seriously, I mean, I think you would need to look and see how many parcels or properties you're going to affect and whether you're going to affect the rural nature of

3301
04:32:12,800 --> 04:32:14,360
What some people want

3302
04:32:14,960 --> 04:32:17,940
But you could certainly put that in your LDC that somebody can't

3303
04:32:19,260 --> 04:32:20,720
You know build on

3304
04:32:20,720 --> 04:32:29,500
dirt or clay or I mean you could do it. Our former building official wanted, you know,

3305
04:32:29,520 --> 04:32:36,780
he mentioned that many times as a solution, but it was always, it would affect too many,

3306
04:32:36,780 --> 04:32:41,140
too many. There would be too many unintended consequences. That's the word I was looking

3307
04:32:41,140 --> 04:32:48,400
for. But you could do it. It's not there now. So if all things being equal, if just these

3308
04:32:48,400 --> 04:32:52,560
new developments, we could deny accepting those.

3309
04:32:53,520 --> 04:32:56,840
But I think that to me is a good start point.

3310
04:32:57,260 --> 04:33:02,060
But I think we need to have that look at how many old developments

3311
04:33:02,060 --> 04:33:06,700
are studying out there that could potentially be a problem,

3312
04:33:07,380 --> 04:33:08,340
one where the other.

3313
04:33:09,080 --> 04:33:13,060
I would like to see that information, but my preference

3314
04:33:13,060 --> 04:33:17,120
would be not to accept these major developments and their

3315
04:33:17,820 --> 04:33:26,540
I just, when we're saying accepting, I don't think you're saying you don't want to accept the dedication of the roads.

3316
04:33:26,600 --> 04:33:29,080
You're saying you don't want to accept maintenance of the roads.

3317
04:33:29,180 --> 04:33:33,480
I just want to make sure we're all clear on the record because those are two separate things.

3318
04:33:33,600 --> 04:33:40,020
And that's one of the issues we deal with and everybody's village is for is that the dedication has been accepted by the county.

3319
04:33:40,980 --> 04:33:44,140
Just not acceptance of the maintenance of the roads.

3320
04:33:44,860 --> 04:33:51,660
But even accepting the dedication, they could come back and say, hey, these are county roads

3321
04:33:51,660 --> 04:33:53,280
you're responsible for paying them.

3322
04:33:53,540 --> 04:33:59,800
They cannot say that because the statute says that we once, the statute provides that

3323
04:33:59,800 --> 04:34:07,220
even if we accept a dedication to the public of the roadways, we are not obligated to improve

3324
04:34:07,220 --> 04:34:10,440
them, build them, construct them, or maintain them.

3325
04:34:10,440 --> 04:34:19,780
But the perception is we're ignoring a neighborhood and we are responsible for these

3326
04:34:19,780 --> 04:34:27,200
rows and that is what is out there and what we get all the emails about and we're still

3327
04:34:27,200 --> 04:34:30,900
going to be in the same situation, PR-wise.

3328
04:34:33,440 --> 04:34:39,540
So what you're proposing then is they would literally have to create like an HOA or some

3329
04:34:39,540 --> 04:34:45,680
mechanism as they, these developers come in, they build these subdivisions that they have

3330
04:34:45,680 --> 04:34:49,780
to collect so much money from each one of the residents to maintain that road.

3331
04:34:49,780 --> 04:34:50,120
Correct.

3332
04:34:50,560 --> 04:34:54,740
There's got to be some sort of a vehicle because the county is no longer that vehicle.

3333
04:34:56,060 --> 04:34:57,940
And they would be required to do that.

3334
04:34:59,260 --> 04:35:00,900
If that is the pleasure of the board,

3335
04:35:03,320 --> 04:35:08,580
they would be required to do that in order for you to accept

3336
04:35:08,580 --> 04:35:12,260
the dedication of the roads, and to accept the platform recording.

3337
04:35:18,480 --> 04:35:20,280
Board any other?

3338
04:35:22,300 --> 04:35:28,680
I can I concur, but I would just add that there's really no for those that are existing

3339
04:35:29,300 --> 04:35:32,440
neighborhoods or not a developer.

3340
04:35:32,660 --> 04:35:38,820
There's always ways to get an MSBU through if it's already paved or if you want to go from

3341
04:35:38,820 --> 04:35:43,580
San Road, Del I'm Rock Road, whatever, just need 50% plus one.

3342
04:35:44,260 --> 04:35:48,540
So the mechanism is there that we can still be the person that, or that,

3343
04:35:48,560 --> 04:35:49,380
or that concept, basically.

3344
04:35:49,800 --> 04:35:51,180
Yeah, we have an AR for that.

3345
04:35:53,060 --> 04:35:53,120
So.

3346
04:35:53,280 --> 04:35:53,960
I'm sure thinking.

3347
04:35:54,940 --> 04:35:59,320
So just to clarify, we're still accepting the dedication,

3348
04:35:59,320 --> 04:36:02,920
and the new development comes and paves everything,

3349
04:36:03,900 --> 04:36:04,840
sells the homes,

3350
04:36:04,840 --> 04:36:11,040
Maintains the roads for three years. And then we never accepted the maintenance.

3351
04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:19,640
I guess there would be an assumption that there's paved county roads. So then what happens

3352
04:36:20,590 --> 04:36:26,620
when there's pot holes and the roads need to surface and obviously they're not ours to maintain.

3353
04:36:26,980 --> 04:36:32,040
I guess how how does the public in that development know?

3354
04:36:32,040 --> 04:36:41,080
So if there's not an HOA or something established, I'm trying to look forward before all

3355
04:36:41,080 --> 04:36:45,700
the stickiness happens because I'm sure it will because we're dealing with it now.

3356
04:36:47,400 --> 04:36:51,360
And I'm just another question and maybe you're ready to answer them all.

3357
04:36:51,480 --> 04:36:58,100
So if we, can we say if we're not accepting all these roads and they are paved and they're

3358
04:36:58,100 --> 04:37:06,320
for three years for the developer to say, we're not going to accept them, but we will put

3359
04:37:06,320 --> 04:37:12,560
an MSBU immediately on that subdivision that can be do that, so that the roads will always

3360
04:37:12,560 --> 04:37:13,400
be maintained.

3361
04:37:14,700 --> 04:37:20,240
So, to answer your first one, that's where fact versus perception comes into play, just

3362
04:37:20,240 --> 04:37:26,540
like the chairman said, the law does not require you to do it, but people just assumes

3363
04:37:26,540 --> 04:37:30,200
since they pay taxes that they will have a road to drive on.

3364
04:37:30,920 --> 04:37:37,400
So I especially, if it's already paved, I'm sensitive to your concerns in your question.

3365
04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:41,400
And that's the perception issue that you all have to make a decision about.

3366
04:37:42,260 --> 04:37:48,120
And when you're saying, put it on three years developers maintenance, that's the current regulation.

3367
04:37:48,440 --> 04:37:53,960
I don't know, I don't think we would have that same three-year requirement, because...

3368
04:37:53,960 --> 04:37:56,800
Yeah, we wouldn't be involved.

3369
04:37:57,540 --> 04:38:02,300
We would be y'all are on your own with your roads.

3370
04:38:04,680 --> 04:38:09,060
So there is, I mean, the subdivision would have to petition us, the homeowners.

3371
04:38:09,720 --> 04:38:11,980
Like let's say they're in a homeowner's associate.

3372
04:38:12,160 --> 04:38:16,540
In a neighborhood there's 20 houses, there's a homeowner's association, and all of a sudden

3373
04:38:16,540 --> 04:38:22,200
all the homeowners association people all get old, pass away, go in assisted living, whatever

3374
04:38:22,200 --> 04:38:27,860
there's no officers or directors of the association, and then there's no one to maintain the

3375
04:38:27,860 --> 04:38:28,380
roads.

3376
04:38:29,280 --> 04:38:34,960
That's when they could come to the county, whoever's left and say, you know, forcent MSVU

3377
04:38:34,960 --> 04:38:39,060
on us, or we'll vote for an MSVU, but it wouldn't happen immediately.

3378
04:38:39,820 --> 04:38:46,500
They would buy with the knowledge known or unknown that they were buying into an area that

3379
04:38:46,500 --> 04:38:48,820
the roads were not going to be maintained by the county.

3380
04:38:48,820 --> 04:38:58,800
Now, one of the biggest subdivisions that I understand that's coming before you, I've had conversations with lawyers on their behalf, and they're setting up a community development district.

3381
04:38:58,940 --> 04:39:00,940
Similar to the way things are in the villages.

3382
04:39:02,280 --> 04:39:09,440
So in that situation, there's so much more than roads that the folks are buying into. So that wouldn't be a problem.

3383
04:39:09,440 --> 04:39:23,520
the problem that you're describing would come into smaller subdivisions like the, you know, the, you know, when you have 20 lots, you know, 25 acre lots with one road going in and out.

3384
04:39:24,140 --> 04:39:33,540
That's, that's the areas and that may be one that your county engineer recommends that you do take the roads in that neighborhood because it's just one.

3385
04:39:33,540 --> 04:39:39,540
All right, first blush, I like the idea of not putting all these extra roads because I think developers do that.

3386
04:39:39,540 --> 04:39:44,420
They make all the money, they leave, and we're left putting the bill.

3387
04:39:45,360 --> 04:39:48,780
I just want to make sure before we move ahead and starting to do that,

3388
04:39:49,220 --> 04:39:55,740
that we look 15 years down the road and see what all the problems could be,

3389
04:39:56,000 --> 04:39:59,020
so that whatever we're deciding makes the most sense.

3390
04:40:00,770 --> 04:40:01,570
Thank you.

3391
04:40:01,570 --> 04:40:12,030
I believe this is what we talked about to it, the retreat is we're looking at alternative funding mechanisms for this whole thing.

3392
04:40:12,950 --> 04:40:22,030
So I guess right now where I am is if you're in a hole you stop digging so we probably shouldn't accept anymore in my mind,

3393
04:40:22,530 --> 04:40:30,190
at least for the for the near future until we figure out exactly how we're going to wrestle this existing problem.

3394
04:40:30,190 --> 04:40:32,830
But your points are very well taken.

3395
04:40:33,230 --> 04:40:33,810
And I agree.

3396
04:40:35,730 --> 04:40:36,970
Come a share base.

3397
04:40:40,240 --> 04:40:44,680
Is there a way to required the developer to

3398
04:40:46,860 --> 04:40:48,280
put in place?

3399
04:40:51,620 --> 04:40:54,420
Do they're at, do they're at, like an MSPU?

3400
04:40:56,040 --> 04:40:57,360
And I'm just going to use hypothetically.

3401
04:40:57,560 --> 04:41:02,680
Look, well, let's use rock-cresher, let's use anything that's being that all these new ones that were doing.

3402
04:41:02,680 --> 04:41:08,900
is there how do we get there legally how do we get there that they so even at the end of

3403
04:41:08,900 --> 04:41:14,800
three years the developers I built out I'm out of here I'm gone I don't care it's on you

3404
04:41:14,800 --> 04:41:21,100
you figure it out how do we make sure that we get to the end result that we want and keep it

3405
04:41:22,600 --> 04:41:28,700
moving forward so any that that have already been approved like you just described those examples

3406
04:41:28,700 --> 04:41:34,860
those, you can't do anything about those, because those are already under the existing approvals.

3407
04:41:35,300 --> 04:41:39,980
So, those plots have already been recorded, that we are stuck, we have those roads.

3408
04:41:41,380 --> 04:41:49,800
Going forward, the way that you protect the county is, there is no three years developers' maintenance type language anymore.

3409
04:41:49,800 --> 04:41:56,620
it is upon acceptance of the final plat, the developers on notice that we are not and will

3410
04:41:56,620 --> 04:42:02,160
not, won't ever accept the roads for maintenance, and then they have to create the mechanism

3411
04:42:02,160 --> 04:42:06,740
whether it is a homeowner's association, property owner's association, community development

3412
04:42:06,740 --> 04:42:11,360
district, something. And we're going to look at the documents that they've prepared to create

3413
04:42:11,360 --> 04:42:19,780
these things. We're going to make sure that they're recorded in the public records on the date that

3414
04:42:19,780 --> 04:42:25,340
Now, whether the developer is honest and forthright with the people that are buying the

3415
04:42:25,340 --> 04:42:31,500
lots and tells them, hey, by the way, you're in a homeowner's association, which I,

3416
04:42:31,680 --> 04:42:36,440
either the developer, I'm going to control for the period until I sell out X number of

3417
04:42:36,440 --> 04:42:43,120
percent of the lots. And once I'm out of here, y'all are, it's on you. Now, whether the developers

3418
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:47,460
going to be honest with them, you don't know, but you hope they, you hope they are and you hope

3419
04:42:47,460 --> 04:42:50,280
that we don't have people coming in five years later saying,

3420
04:42:50,700 --> 04:42:53,540
well, I thought I was paying county taxes to take care of these roads.

3421
04:42:55,420 --> 04:42:59,340
So what the reverse thing does be to say everything

3422
04:42:59,340 --> 04:43:01,600
that comes in, we're gonna have an MSB on it,

3423
04:43:01,800 --> 04:43:05,080
so that you're guaranteed that?

3424
04:43:06,080 --> 04:43:08,480
Well, I think you are looking at, I know,

3425
04:43:08,600 --> 04:43:11,260
that's why I'm saying, like it, going forward.

3426
04:43:12,400 --> 04:43:12,460
I mean,

3427
04:43:14,670 --> 04:43:16,370
I don't think, I mean, I don't know,

3428
04:43:16,370 --> 04:43:19,370
but I thought the MSBU was for resurfacing.

3429
04:43:20,370 --> 04:43:24,450
So the initial road construction or whatever until,

3430
04:43:24,830 --> 04:43:26,550
so I don't know how long it takes a road

3431
04:43:26,550 --> 04:43:29,630
to need resurfacing five, seven, 10, I don't know.

3432
04:43:29,850 --> 04:43:30,870
25 is what we're holding.

3433
04:43:30,870 --> 04:43:33,750
Oh, 25, 20, I'm just the lawyer.

3434
04:43:34,710 --> 04:43:36,610
So for the first 25 years, I don't know who's

3435
04:43:36,610 --> 04:43:37,570
going to maintain them.

3436
04:43:38,110 --> 04:43:39,130
Can I help commissioner Bayes?

3437
04:43:39,710 --> 04:43:43,230
I think what correct me for my commissioner Bayes

3438
04:43:43,230 --> 04:43:48,550
trying to say is, so do what we're doing and county accept the maintenance, but immediately

3439
04:43:48,550 --> 04:43:55,290
say, this is a new development, you're getting an M.S.B.U. so 20, 25 years later, that pot of money

3440
04:43:55,290 --> 04:43:57,030
is that what is that what you're trying to ask her?

3441
04:43:58,350 --> 04:44:07,610
Certainly, you all have the ability to set up M.S.B.U.s, so are we, may I keep going?

3442
04:44:11,070 --> 04:44:15,190
I don't want to, I don't want to cut her off.

3443
04:44:17,010 --> 04:44:19,810
So we have a whole county and everyone wouldn't be paying that.

3444
04:44:19,930 --> 04:44:22,730
So for people that are just moving to this new development,

3445
04:44:23,290 --> 04:44:26,410
are we allowed to say this development, this development

3446
04:44:26,410 --> 04:44:30,830
because they're all after ex-date, you all have MSBUs.

3447
04:44:31,070 --> 04:44:32,150
Is that allowed?

3448
04:44:34,740 --> 04:44:43,260
It's so hard to answer in the abstract, but theoretically you could put an MSVU on the subdivision,

3449
04:44:43,380 --> 04:44:51,540
but it sounds like what is being offered to you is that you give that all that responsibility to the developer,

3450
04:44:52,080 --> 04:44:54,540
and just don't even make the county responsible.

3451
04:44:55,560 --> 04:44:59,920
My only concern based on your questions is that whole perception thing that commissioned.

3452
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:06,160
The chairman brought up, because no matter how many times we all know what the law is, you're still getting the emails.

3453
04:45:09,460 --> 04:45:11,160
That's my head.

3454
04:45:11,360 --> 04:45:11,720
The mission.

3455
04:45:11,860 --> 04:45:12,360
I'm assured.

3456
04:45:12,640 --> 04:45:13,920
And again, are you done?

3457
04:45:14,460 --> 04:45:19,260
Yes, I'm just wondering, before, I mean, I don't know, does this sound like a workshop?

3458
04:45:20,080 --> 04:45:24,660
I mean, I think that people in the community would maybe want to have a say, we're missing a commissioner.

3459
04:45:24,660 --> 04:45:31,180
I mean, obviously we're not changing anything and this is, no, this is just preference.

3460
04:45:31,480 --> 04:45:37,400
This is just preference and every road we accept or don't accept, I would come up in a

3461
04:45:37,400 --> 04:45:38,240
being a gender item.

3462
04:45:38,460 --> 04:45:39,440
So it's just a preference.

3463
04:45:39,760 --> 04:45:45,400
It's just to allow staff direction and just say, you know, we're interested in vetting this,

3464
04:45:45,460 --> 04:45:48,960
we're interested in this and that and so it's just a preference.

3465
04:45:48,960 --> 04:45:54,920
And there's the MSB idea, so obviously we needed to decide which way we're going to do that for development.

3466
04:45:55,360 --> 04:46:02,620
And there is not a vote, it is just a discussion and so it doesn't matter that can't are inside here.

3467
04:46:03,160 --> 04:46:05,360
So the preference would be not to accept our votes.

3468
04:46:07,320 --> 04:46:11,020
My preference would be today, not to accept our votes.

3469
04:46:12,340 --> 04:46:13,240
It was sure Davis.

3470
04:46:13,360 --> 04:46:16,160
Yeah, my preference was to slow our roll, pardon the pun.

3471
04:46:16,160 --> 04:46:21,100
What I was going to say before that came about, as I have two words, blighted neighborhoods.

3472
04:46:21,880 --> 04:46:27,180
If they don't take care of it themselves, then we've got a paved version of IV4.

3473
04:46:27,600 --> 04:46:32,580
And we have to keep a tidy county and everything needs to be paved in a good condition.

3474
04:46:33,180 --> 04:46:40,940
So I am concerned about that and that's why I think we're going to get ahead of it this year in figuring out the alternate funding mechanisms.

3475
04:46:40,940 --> 04:46:41,880
So,

3476
04:46:44,660 --> 04:46:51,640
well to Commissioner Davis's point then I would like that information you know what what is that look like if this

3477
04:46:51,640 --> 04:46:58,040
Board in the future said we do want to accept them but no more burden to the taxpayers people that are moving here

3478
04:46:58,040 --> 04:47:02,220
Going to take care of these specific roads. What is that cost?

3479
04:47:02,420 --> 04:47:07,220
What does that look like? I would like to have a little more information on that option to and I don't

3480
04:47:07,220 --> 04:47:11,880
Expect you to answer that today, Mary, but just in the future. What is your question?

3481
04:47:12,700 --> 04:47:16,900
If this board decided when a development comes up,

3482
04:47:17,100 --> 04:47:19,140
very given us the option of saying she might say,

3483
04:47:19,400 --> 04:47:21,260
hey, this is where we need to accept these words.

3484
04:47:21,480 --> 04:47:23,140
We don't, or maybe she'll say this community,

3485
04:47:24,000 --> 04:47:25,320
you don't need to accept these words.

3486
04:47:25,720 --> 04:47:27,520
But there would be another option.

3487
04:47:28,860 --> 04:47:30,080
The county clinics have them,

3488
04:47:30,800 --> 04:47:32,620
but that entire community from the Gekko

3489
04:47:32,620 --> 04:47:34,260
is going to have an MSVU,

3490
04:47:35,040 --> 04:47:38,000
so you'd never have that blighted neighborhood

3491
04:47:38,000 --> 04:47:39,460
to Commissioner Davis's point.

3492
04:47:39,460 --> 04:47:46,660
So we would be maintaining them that that community would pay for that community so if that could be an option

3493
04:47:46,660 --> 04:47:55,360
I would just like more information of what that would look like financially to each homeowner which I'm sure it's different

3494
04:47:55,360 --> 04:48:04,540
You know, we need scenarios because I'm sure it depends on how many homes and a lot size and things like that the best you could do because I have

3495
04:48:04,540 --> 04:48:09,920
you know zero knowledge word that would start so I mean I'm sure you would give us a

3496
04:48:09,920 --> 04:48:14,780
range you know yeah it's like a hundred eighty six thousand dollars a mile for a

3497
04:48:14,780 --> 04:48:19,220
general road and unless you get into the citrus springs and pyrage and it's closer

3498
04:48:19,220 --> 04:48:23,980
to three fifty three eighty okay so does that make sense it's just the more

3499
04:48:23,980 --> 04:48:27,340
information if we did want to say we'll accept them but all these communities they're

3500
04:48:27,340 --> 04:48:33,640
going to be paying for themselves no extra burden on our current taxes if I made that

3501
04:48:33,640 --> 04:48:37,560
That's what I was saying is that I believe we talked about that at the retreat in the alternate

3502
04:48:37,560 --> 04:48:38,960
funny mechanisms.

3503
04:48:39,480 --> 04:48:41,920
Isn't this going to be like a big presentation this year?

3504
04:48:42,720 --> 04:48:44,980
I thought it was in there for you for everybody.

3505
04:48:45,780 --> 04:48:46,220
It is.

3506
04:48:46,320 --> 04:48:47,000
It is.

3507
04:48:47,040 --> 04:48:47,900
But that's what I'm saying.

3508
04:48:48,180 --> 04:48:51,320
But you're asking for the detail more is that part of our journey.

3509
04:48:52,000 --> 04:48:55,940
But also is part of that larger conversation because we need to fix the old communities.

3510
04:48:57,240 --> 04:48:59,400
I think we're heading in that direction.

3511
04:48:59,520 --> 04:49:02,180
And I think that we've all beat that to that.

3512
04:49:02,180 --> 04:49:12,980
Thank you, I was going to say talk this to a to death but and I'm sorry, but so tomorrow if developer Lynn is putting in her out.

3513
04:49:13,400 --> 04:49:18,680
No, no, you're already in the 20 I know I want to be two guys.

3514
04:49:18,680 --> 04:49:32,160
All right, Jean Davis is sitting in the audience if Mr. Davis and it's an application tomorrow for his 20 home some division is staff going to process that application only if he tells them how he's going to maintain the road

3515
04:49:33,200 --> 04:49:37,660
or is this going to come back and I mean staff needs to know what they're telling

3516
04:49:37,660 --> 04:49:43,760
people tomorrow when they drop the application off. I know you said you're not

3517
04:49:43,760 --> 04:49:48,960
voting but it was my understanding that you would bring that to us and make

3518
04:49:48,960 --> 04:49:53,440
your recommendations. So I would assume she would just tomorrow make her

3519
04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:59,200
recommendations and I think now that Eric and Joanna Walt Carl and I would

3520
04:49:59,200 --> 04:50:01,640
we get together, we've heard your direction,

3521
04:50:02,060 --> 04:50:05,360
and we would talk about how this would go.

3522
04:50:05,760 --> 04:50:07,580
And I'm speaking for Eric, but we definitely

3523
04:50:07,580 --> 04:50:10,260
would need to discuss this with the community.

3524
04:50:11,580 --> 04:50:15,540
And there is a point on us, once you submit the plans

3525
04:50:16,080 --> 04:50:18,600
and we approve them, then you're cut off.

3526
04:50:18,840 --> 04:50:20,620
And we actually have to accept the roads.

3527
04:50:20,700 --> 04:50:22,280
But there's a certain point.

3528
04:50:22,580 --> 04:50:26,900
So we do have time to be able to get this out

3529
04:50:26,900 --> 04:50:33,100
and have the developers understand what the preference is going to be from here going forward.

3530
04:50:34,120 --> 04:50:41,300
Yes. So my preferences that all new subdivisions would require a recorded HOA and would

3531
04:50:41,300 --> 04:50:46,140
provide perpetual maintenance of the roads and the DRAs within the subdivision. That's my

3532
04:50:46,140 --> 04:50:48,200
And DRAs.

3533
04:50:48,200 --> 04:50:50,780
And DRAs.

3534
04:50:51,540 --> 04:50:53,140
H-O-O-P-O-A.

3535
04:50:54,400 --> 04:50:55,420
Thank you.

3536
04:50:56,480 --> 04:50:59,700
I think just to provide for perpetual maintenance.

3537
04:51:00,000 --> 04:51:06,300
And then they can decide whether that's going to be H-O-A, P-O-A, C-D-D.

3538
04:51:06,580 --> 04:51:06,840
Okay.

3539
04:51:07,600 --> 04:51:08,900
I like that.

3540
04:51:10,560 --> 04:51:12,060
I wish you gave us.

3541
04:51:12,400 --> 04:51:12,600
Yeah.

3542
04:51:13,700 --> 04:51:14,200
Wish you all.

3543
04:51:14,960 --> 04:51:15,520
That works.

3544
04:51:15,860 --> 04:51:16,600
We have a consensus.

3545
04:51:16,600 --> 04:51:23,780
You have a consensus. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Okay, G2. Contract with

3546
04:51:23,780 --> 04:51:31,400
Duckit, Duncan, Associates for Impact, V, Analysis, A, M, B, approve and

3547
04:51:31,400 --> 04:51:39,420
authorize. The chair to execute the contract and be approved budget transfer. G2.

3548
04:51:39,760 --> 04:51:42,200
I'm just going to make a motion, Eric, but if you want to talk.

3549
04:51:46,020 --> 04:51:54,460
All second and then you can sign. So you can sign. I'll make the motion to approve G2A and

3550
04:51:54,460 --> 04:52:00,340
B. Thank you. Motion by Commissioner Finnigan. Second by Commissioner Bays. It's

3551
04:52:00,340 --> 04:52:06,260
really staff or public comment. If you wish, I'll be happy to answer any questions. I don't have

3552
04:52:10,020 --> 04:52:11,680
You're just so quick to jump out there.

3553
04:52:11,760 --> 04:52:13,460
I thought you had something to say to us.

3554
04:52:15,190 --> 04:52:16,150
Once you say, it's dinner time.

3555
04:52:16,290 --> 04:52:18,210
I'd be happy to talk about it.

3556
04:52:18,390 --> 04:52:20,590
But if you raise a move on, I'm happy to move on.

3557
04:52:21,470 --> 04:52:25,090
Is there any public comment about G2?

3558
04:52:25,890 --> 04:52:26,610
Seeing none.

3559
04:52:26,870 --> 04:52:28,990
Is there any further board comment?

3560
04:52:31,410 --> 04:52:32,790
All in favor say aye.

3561
04:52:34,130 --> 04:52:35,430
Opposed say nay.

3562
04:52:35,430 --> 04:52:38,470
We have a three zero right now.

3563
04:52:42,130 --> 04:52:46,090
G1, Mr. Discussion, and no vote, no nothing.

3564
04:52:47,470 --> 04:52:48,970
Good job, Eric, wait a minute.

3565
04:52:49,430 --> 04:52:55,590
OK, and now we are at item I, I1.

3566
04:52:56,530 --> 04:52:59,350
This is to nominate and appoint the Citrus County Veterans

3567
04:52:59,350 --> 04:53:00,390
Service Advisory Board.

3568
04:53:00,410 --> 04:53:06,970
I sit on this board and I would like to say that I wish

3569
04:53:06,970 --> 04:53:09,710
that all five of these gentlemen could be on the board.

3570
04:53:10,990 --> 04:53:20,450
I would like to make a motion, though, to nominate Andrew Brewer, Bill Maryman, and Greg

3571
04:53:20,450 --> 04:53:21,370
Pilateer.

3572
04:53:22,790 --> 04:53:28,210
That would be my recommendations and nominations to appoint for the three individuals to

3573
04:53:28,210 --> 04:53:31,230
fill the regular member's seats on this Veterans Advisory Board.

3574
04:53:31,230 --> 04:53:34,890
Two of them already sit there. They're very active.

3575
04:53:37,170 --> 04:53:41,110
It really truly, the other three, I would love to have on the board.

3576
04:53:41,810 --> 04:53:49,910
We do get a little benefit from David because he is thus billaracuses representative veterans representative.

3577
04:53:50,250 --> 04:53:53,990
So he's there anyway. So we kind of get a freebie with him.

3578
04:53:53,990 --> 04:53:56,790
So that is my motion.

3579
04:53:57,310 --> 04:53:57,750
I'm sorry.

3580
04:53:58,250 --> 04:53:58,990
Thank you.

3581
04:53:59,950 --> 04:54:06,910
I'm sure slave law made the motion to nominate Mr. Brewer, Mr. Maryman, and Mr. Pelleteer,

3582
04:54:07,130 --> 04:54:08,770
and a second-fight commissioner base.

3583
04:54:09,290 --> 04:54:12,990
Is there any public comment about this advisory board?

3584
04:54:14,350 --> 04:54:14,950
Nominations.

3585
04:54:17,720 --> 04:54:18,800
Any board comment?

3586
04:54:18,940 --> 04:54:20,180
Did you have any recommendations?

3587
04:54:20,780 --> 04:54:20,920
Yes.

3588
04:54:21,400 --> 04:54:27,460
recommendations, we get hit two of the three, was David Halbstein, Bill Maryman, and Greg

3589
04:54:27,460 --> 04:54:28,200
Pellitier.

3590
04:54:28,520 --> 04:54:34,420
But I do notice that Mr. Watson is here and if Mr. Howard, I would love to hear Mr.

3591
04:54:35,400 --> 04:54:40,120
Watson's thoughts and recommendations if that's fine with you, please come forward.

3592
04:54:40,840 --> 04:54:44,880
And you know, David's there anyway, that's why I said I get a free beat with him.

3593
04:54:45,240 --> 04:54:48,960
Well, I think it's nice, you know, for him to get the appointment, he's putting in the

3594
04:54:48,960 --> 04:54:53,700
time he has put in the effort and I would wholeheartedly recommend him.

3595
04:54:53,700 --> 04:54:55,200
Well, I have a motion for him.

3596
04:54:55,360 --> 04:54:55,620
How are you?

3597
04:54:55,960 --> 04:54:56,480
How are you?

3598
04:54:56,480 --> 04:54:56,780
I'm good.

3599
04:54:57,140 --> 04:54:57,660
That's right.

3600
04:54:57,660 --> 04:54:58,500
That's right.

3601
04:54:59,240 --> 04:55:00,580
Thank you.

3602
04:55:01,860 --> 04:55:03,740
Phil Watson Veterans Service Manager.

3603
04:55:05,180 --> 04:55:06,780
So, you know, obviously we had a great veterans community.

3604
04:55:07,020 --> 04:55:08,820
We have some great folks to choose from.

3605
04:55:09,080 --> 04:55:13,200
I can only speak to the people that I've engaged with throughout the community,

3606
04:55:13,580 --> 04:55:14,520
doing veterans issues.

3607
04:55:14,520 --> 04:55:20,200
So obviously Bill Merrimon, he's been on the board in great pellets here between the programs

3608
04:55:20,200 --> 04:55:21,000
that they run.

3609
04:55:21,600 --> 04:55:25,660
I deal with Greg a lot with the shelter he runs for almost veterans.

3610
04:55:26,620 --> 04:55:28,840
Bill does a lot for ease of, he's one of the post commanders.

3611
04:55:29,600 --> 04:55:32,640
He also has flagged disposable things like that.

3612
04:55:33,420 --> 04:55:37,060
Dave, I know quite well from Gus Miller-Axis office.

3613
04:55:38,720 --> 04:55:42,660
I've engaged with him in a lot of community activities across the board, not just veterans,

3614
04:55:42,660 --> 04:55:47,580
stuff but across the board. The other two people, honestly, I cannot speak to them. I've never

3615
04:55:47,580 --> 04:55:52,480
met them. I've never engaged with them in the community, so I can only focus on the three that

3616
04:55:52,480 --> 04:55:57,340
I do know not just on a personal level, but from community engagement across the community,

3617
04:55:57,700 --> 04:56:08,300
so that's my assessment on that. Thank you. I, the resume of Mr. Brewer was something I did not want

3618
04:56:08,300 --> 04:56:15,140
pass up. And like I said, I have Dave there anyway, and I would also get the benefit of Mr.

3619
04:56:15,240 --> 04:56:20,560
Brewer. That's why I did the motion the way I did. And I also areas, as may also. I mean,

3620
04:56:20,700 --> 04:56:26,220
there's just no losing with these five veterans. So I would encourage all five to attend.

3621
04:56:26,660 --> 04:56:33,120
But I Mr. Watson. So you're saying you get the benefit of Dave in which I think if he's

3622
04:56:33,120 --> 04:56:39,520
put in the time he should get the appointment, my opinion, but I don't know Mr. Burr also, but

3623
04:56:39,520 --> 04:56:41,320
would he still be allowed to attend also?

3624
04:56:41,920 --> 04:56:46,400
Yeah, they're public meetings, so they get advertised, so anyone, anyone that can be

3625
04:56:46,400 --> 04:56:51,160
an attend and they are advertised, legally, you have to advertise them, so anyone can attend

3626
04:56:51,160 --> 04:56:51,720
those meetings.

3627
04:56:51,860 --> 04:56:55,640
So I would say if we appointed David since he's already in the community, it was veterans

3628
04:56:55,640 --> 04:57:00,840
he is a veteran putting in time, maybe Mr. Burr or could just be the added benefit, and then

3629
04:57:00,840 --> 04:57:01,860
we could vote on him another year.

3630
04:57:01,860 --> 04:57:08,420
just gonna have to wait for your motion. I guess the last thing I would add is, so I got nominated.

3631
04:57:08,780 --> 04:57:14,160
I'm setting on Gospel of Rax as veterans committee for his district. So we had our first meeting

3632
04:57:14,160 --> 04:57:22,460
on Friday. Obviously Dave was at that meeting. But in Congressman Bill of Rax had a town hall here in

3633
04:57:22,460 --> 04:57:28,640
Emeritus and February. And so he announced at that town hall he's the point person for the house

3634
04:57:28,640 --> 04:57:29,900
for veterans issues.

3635
04:57:31,360 --> 04:57:33,040
So that's a pretty big deal for our district,

3636
04:57:33,180 --> 04:57:36,440
for our veterans, is our study member of Congress

3637
04:57:36,440 --> 04:57:39,620
is a point person for a few nice day's house,

3638
04:57:39,780 --> 04:57:40,700
for veterans issues.

3639
04:57:41,700 --> 04:57:44,300
So any connection that we can strengthen with that,

3640
04:57:44,360 --> 04:57:47,000
I think would be a long-term benefit for our community

3641
04:57:47,000 --> 04:57:49,020
as our 19,000 plus veterans.

3642
04:57:50,540 --> 04:57:53,020
And we continue to grow with our veterans.

3643
04:57:53,740 --> 04:57:55,160
And obviously we got a new veterans clinic

3644
04:57:55,160 --> 04:57:56,200
that's on that horizon.

3645
04:57:56,200 --> 04:58:01,180
And so, you know, I can just speak from my personal experience working with that office compared

3646
04:58:01,180 --> 04:58:06,620
to the previous district, it's night and day, and so I just want to add that for context.

3647
04:58:07,960 --> 04:58:14,360
Well, I would be happy to, you guys gave a very good argument, and I would be happy to amend

3648
04:58:14,360 --> 04:58:21,940
my motion to nominate David Helpsine, Bill Maryman, and Greg Pelleteer, if Commissioner

3649
04:58:21,940 --> 04:58:22,460
Bases.

3650
04:58:23,120 --> 04:58:23,720
Oh, second thing.

3651
04:58:23,820 --> 04:58:24,540
All right, with that.

3652
04:58:24,540 --> 04:58:31,260
So, a very good argument, and I would encourage the other two gentlemen very, very impressive.

3653
04:58:33,020 --> 04:58:40,520
I did ask the veteran community, and that's how I got Mr. Brewers recommendation from the veteran community talking to him, and he has a great reputation.

3654
04:58:41,120 --> 04:58:43,080
So that's why he was my choice, Phil.

3655
04:58:44,440 --> 04:58:50,680
That being said, is there any other public comment regarding this amended nomination?

3656
04:58:51,240 --> 04:58:54,020
I'm just tired and you just beat me down, so whatever.

3657
04:58:55,620 --> 04:59:00,700
Well, I wanted to say thank you to Mr. Watson and to the other people that we don't know.

3658
04:59:01,060 --> 04:59:03,080
Thank you for applying if you're out there listening.

3659
04:59:03,340 --> 04:59:08,080
I'm sure they're all fantastic veterans and I'd like that so many people.

3660
04:59:08,280 --> 04:59:10,140
And they're very well known in the veteran community.

3661
04:59:11,020 --> 04:59:16,020
So I did do my research on the others, so thank you.

3662
04:59:16,260 --> 04:59:16,900
Commissioner Davis.

3663
04:59:16,900 --> 04:59:27,640
Well, you reach out to the two applicants, personally, and invite them to come, because, you know, these are typically very happy, welcoming boards, and absolutely.

3664
04:59:27,940 --> 04:59:36,600
You know, we did that in the pilot community to get people to show up for the aviation advisory board and be part of the conversation, you know, because that's a real, that's a real interest of them.

3665
04:59:36,700 --> 04:59:40,640
And when people keep showing up, then, you know, they tend to also get appointed.

3666
04:59:42,040 --> 04:59:42,640
Thank you.

3667
04:59:42,640 --> 04:59:43,160
Thank you.

3668
04:59:43,600 --> 04:59:45,400
Thank you, Mr. Watson.

3669
04:59:45,400 --> 04:59:48,360
Is there any other public comment on this nomination?

3670
04:59:49,120 --> 04:59:50,800
See none any further board comment?

3671
04:59:51,400 --> 04:59:52,640
All in favor say aye.

3672
04:59:53,080 --> 04:59:53,620
Aye. Aye. Aye.

3673
04:59:53,620 --> 04:59:54,400
Opposed say nay.

3674
04:59:55,360 --> 04:59:56,620
That passes four zero.

3675
04:59:58,080 --> 04:59:59,960
I think I'm missing one vote.

3676
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:04,080
From Commissioner Davis G2.

3677
05:00:04,600 --> 05:00:04,620
Aye.

3678
05:00:05,280 --> 05:00:07,080
That's four zero.

3679
05:00:08,860 --> 05:00:11,220
And that's the only one I was missing correct.

3680
05:00:12,060 --> 05:00:15,780
Okay, so that being done work committee reports, Mr. Bass.

3681
05:00:17,860 --> 05:00:19,320
Please don't say roads.

3682
05:00:22,480 --> 05:00:26,160
I just don't really have any reports.

3683
05:00:26,160 --> 05:00:33,300
We'll tell you that tomorrow at 3 o'clock we have our public

3684
05:00:36,150 --> 05:00:55,070
safety coordinating council meeting, which we've invited a whole bunch of people to the table to kind of get a grip on what we're doing in our community with where we have gaps or maybe we'll have overlaps on mental health and incarceration and a whole host of other things with public safety.

3685
05:00:55,070 --> 05:00:56,910
So we will be looking at that.

3686
05:00:57,470 --> 05:00:59,870
I still want to go back out and say just for more time,

3687
05:00:59,990 --> 05:01:05,470
thank you to FDOT District 7 for the stop light at Gospel Island on 44.

3688
05:01:05,750 --> 05:01:08,450
There will be a ways coming, but we got it.

3689
05:01:11,730 --> 05:01:16,170
And as of right now, we have the appropriation, the $9 million.

3690
05:01:16,770 --> 05:01:21,550
For the Empress Airport, we just got to make sure the governor signs it, don't jinx it.

3691
05:01:22,390 --> 05:01:27,910
Hey, put it out there in the universe, make him tell the people he's not going to sign in.

3692
05:01:28,670 --> 05:01:29,750
Anyway, good news.

3693
05:01:30,310 --> 05:01:30,570
Thank you.

3694
05:01:31,430 --> 05:01:33,630
And I want to thank Frank for all of this hard work.

3695
05:01:33,670 --> 05:01:34,550
Wherever he's at.

3696
05:01:35,550 --> 05:01:35,790
Thank you.

3697
05:01:35,790 --> 05:01:36,630
I'm going to help you.

3698
05:01:36,630 --> 05:01:37,470
Miss your fin again.

3699
05:01:37,890 --> 05:01:38,370
Anything?

3700
05:01:39,050 --> 05:01:39,910
Commissioner Davis.

3701
05:01:40,610 --> 05:01:44,530
I just had TDC in the last two weeks and it's only going to take about 30 minutes.

3702
05:01:44,530 --> 05:01:45,130
Is that okay?

3703
05:01:45,270 --> 05:01:45,950
Yeah, sure.

3704
05:01:46,210 --> 05:01:46,610
Go ahead.

3705
05:01:47,150 --> 05:01:49,370
I have 4 CF day after tomorrow.

3706
05:01:49,370 --> 05:01:51,950
So, I want something else next time.

3707
05:01:52,230 --> 05:01:53,170
Thank you.

3708
05:01:53,970 --> 05:01:58,370
And, Commissioner, finish and do everything for board meetings.

3709
05:01:59,230 --> 05:02:01,070
I mean, that you want to talk about, excuse me.

3710
05:02:01,110 --> 05:02:01,310
Committee.

3711
05:02:01,750 --> 05:02:06,950
Yes, just as we're thinking, FDOT, I was with them last night with the good people of sugar

3712
05:02:06,950 --> 05:02:12,310
Mel Woods, and representative actually, David Halbesine, from Congressman Villa Rackis's office.

3713
05:02:12,730 --> 05:02:17,370
It all started months ago when I was invited at a guest speaker, and the Congressman

3714
05:02:17,370 --> 05:02:24,910
and was also there. And then their complaints came up about road noise from the Parkway.

3715
05:02:25,690 --> 05:02:32,150
So we're not going to analyze that and try to help them a bit. I was not the solution

3716
05:02:32,150 --> 05:02:37,770
to the problem. So the congressman and I, with the joint effort we got to our senator

3717
05:02:37,770 --> 05:02:43,510
and health rep involved and sent a letter out an FZOT came out in great force last night.

3718
05:02:43,510 --> 05:02:50,970
heard the people of such as County, more specifically, Sugar Mill Woods, and are offering them

3719
05:02:50,970 --> 05:02:57,230
maybe not the solution that they wanted, but a solution. So it's nice that a state entity will

3720
05:02:57,230 --> 05:03:02,090
hear our voices, and I thank them for their time and efforts, and I'm sure the people of Sugar

3721
05:03:02,090 --> 05:03:07,470
Mill Woods are thinking them also. It's a good meeting. I'm curious, did they bring up because this

3722
05:03:07,470 --> 05:03:15,610
That was brought up at the MPO for the future extensions and Pine Ridge and the different neighborhoods that this is going to be going.

3723
05:03:15,650 --> 05:03:17,610
Going to have the same kind of problems.

3724
05:03:18,070 --> 05:03:19,750
Did they touch on that at all?

3725
05:03:20,730 --> 05:03:28,990
That they will be analyzing and doing the same studies for noise, which they did in the whole stretch that goes by sugarmoids.

3726
05:03:29,870 --> 05:03:32,030
But they're not going backwards.

3727
05:03:32,030 --> 05:03:39,750
So, once they get to your district and once they put it in, if people are complaining and saying,

3728
05:03:39,950 --> 05:03:44,990
oh well, now there is more people or when you stretch it out to the next leg, they're not going,

3729
05:03:44,990 --> 05:03:48,810
they're not going backwards and reassessing, but they will be assessing it next.

3730
05:03:50,290 --> 05:03:58,710
They do the noise study and it's an average of decibels, so it's not like if one motorcycle goes by

3731
05:03:58,710 --> 05:04:01,470
that hits 90, it's an average of all day.

3732
05:04:01,990 --> 05:04:04,910
They put in their module, full traffic,

3733
05:04:04,930 --> 05:04:07,110
going the speed limit before, you know.

3734
05:04:07,730 --> 05:04:08,870
And they assess from there.

3735
05:04:08,950 --> 05:04:10,470
And then they identify the houses

3736
05:04:10,470 --> 05:04:12,110
that would actually be affected.

3737
05:04:12,550 --> 05:04:15,770
And they have a formulae, I think it's over 15 decibels

3738
05:04:15,770 --> 05:04:19,930
what is normal, or it affects X amount of people.

3739
05:04:20,090 --> 05:04:21,550
They would give a better presentation.

3740
05:04:22,950 --> 05:04:25,590
But like in the case of Sherman, it was three houses.

3741
05:04:26,110 --> 05:04:28,470
But then they assess, like if they're gonna build a wall

3742
05:04:28,470 --> 05:04:33,010
what the cost will be. Well, it has to be under, I think, like the $40,000, which the

3743
05:04:33,010 --> 05:04:39,930
one house would have been like anywhere from 80, something, $1,200,000. So it didn't qualify.

3744
05:04:40,390 --> 05:04:45,370
And those were two houses together. And it has to affect two or more homes. So one house

3745
05:04:45,370 --> 05:04:50,490
was here. It was too expensive and only affected the one home. So they didn't qualify. And

3746
05:04:50,490 --> 05:04:56,790
then the two houses over here, it was just too expensive per home. So those three houses

3747
05:04:56,790 --> 05:05:04,390
and qualified, no more houses have been built since the study, but once they put it out to public

3748
05:05:04,390 --> 05:05:11,630
knowledge that the roots being built they don't go back. So the last study was 2015. So just

3749
05:05:11,630 --> 05:05:17,410
something to think about when the residents are sure they'll be asking you in the future, but that's

3750
05:05:17,410 --> 05:05:22,490
how that works. And they're very informative if you have any questions that you have to answer.

3751
05:05:22,490 --> 05:05:25,070
Thank you. Anything else?

3752
05:05:25,490 --> 05:05:25,850
That's it?

3753
05:05:25,890 --> 05:05:27,510
Thank you.

3754
05:05:27,690 --> 05:05:29,970
Bishop Noard is not here.

3755
05:05:30,850 --> 05:05:32,210
Commissioner Bays, anything?

3756
05:05:34,510 --> 05:05:36,690
Commissioner Davis, you have something on the agenda.

3757
05:05:37,850 --> 05:05:38,230
Yes.

3758
05:05:39,010 --> 05:05:42,730
And I believe going back to my notes,

3759
05:05:43,510 --> 05:05:47,830
we may have missed adding 01 to the agenda vote.

3760
05:05:48,370 --> 05:05:50,550
No, it's on here.

3761
05:05:51,130 --> 05:05:55,550
In my motion, did I say O1?

3762
05:05:56,530 --> 05:05:58,290
We updated it afterwards.

3763
05:05:59,430 --> 05:06:02,530
Remember, I had um, I just didn't write the note down.

3764
05:06:03,910 --> 05:06:05,850
Thank you for keeping us straight.

3765
05:06:06,210 --> 05:06:07,710
As I didn't take a note on what I'm about to do.

3766
05:06:08,870 --> 05:06:09,290
I know.

3767
05:06:10,630 --> 05:06:13,010
It's even, you know, it's hard to sit in those chairs.

3768
05:06:13,210 --> 05:06:14,750
It's even harder to be up here on video.

3769
05:06:15,110 --> 05:06:15,850
Trust me.

3770
05:06:15,850 --> 05:06:32,830
Um, so update on Imranus Villages for the A1 is what I wanted to hear from staff on exactly what we've done to be a real sticky wicket for the builder and the lot owner there.

3771
05:06:34,700 --> 05:06:35,980
What a generic backup.

3772
05:06:37,640 --> 05:06:38,380
Oh, he just left.

3773
05:06:39,740 --> 05:06:40,240
Left left.

3774
05:06:40,700 --> 05:06:41,500
Left left.

3775
05:06:42,300 --> 05:06:42,500
Okay.

3776
05:06:42,840 --> 05:06:43,600
That's unfortunate.

3777
05:06:43,600 --> 05:06:43,840
that.

3778
05:06:45,960 --> 05:06:51,740
What I was really hoping for is that every other week we get a presentation from staff

3779
05:06:51,740 --> 05:06:55,160
very quickly about this any code violations, et cetera, et cetera.

3780
05:06:55,460 --> 05:06:58,620
There was some document they did put together, I thought, let's see if we can catch them,

3781
05:06:58,660 --> 05:07:02,600
but thought there was a document that they did put together. I thought we could, we can ensure

3782
05:07:02,600 --> 05:07:07,880
that they could move on to B and C and then backtrack to A. We can get them done. I drove

3783
05:07:07,880 --> 05:07:14,160
around again, I'm pretty much in there every week at this point, and I drove around again

3784
05:07:14,160 --> 05:07:24,200
with some more people that are yet also impressed with what a difficult position we're

3785
05:07:24,200 --> 05:07:25,400
in with that neighborhood.

3786
05:07:27,680 --> 05:07:33,220
So one of whom who was in the truck was one of our code compliance officers, and he said

3787
05:07:33,220 --> 05:07:39,040
Essentially, and I think we all understand how case cases work, right?

3788
05:07:39,140 --> 05:07:42,940
When there's a code complaint and everything, there's a case number filed, et cetera,

3789
05:07:43,660 --> 05:07:47,920
and they'll then transfer the property into another ownership,

3790
05:07:48,780 --> 05:07:52,640
so then they have to start the code over again, and they just keep doing this.

3791
05:07:52,640 --> 05:07:54,720
He's up to like 11 LLCs.

3792
05:07:55,180 --> 05:07:56,940
No, they're very good at this game.

3793
05:07:57,340 --> 05:08:00,800
Yeah, so yeah, he's, he's threading the needle.

3794
05:08:00,800 --> 05:08:07,300
So, so far, hopefully I'm not missing anything, because it's a long list, as Debbie, excuse me,

3795
05:08:07,380 --> 05:08:13,360
Swift must not happy, FWC is not happy, DEP, he's not happy, I took the state attorney around and he, he

3796
05:08:13,360 --> 05:08:18,960
crested that hill and he just, there's the bait and switch that's happening, I believe, is that first

3797
05:08:18,960 --> 05:08:25,920
neighborhood is paved, it has drainage, it has beautiful homes with barrel tile roofs and all of that and

3798
05:08:25,920 --> 05:08:32,660
He pressed that hill and he starts to come down and he uttered two words, he goes, oh boy,

3799
05:08:33,600 --> 05:08:40,300
because he saw the vista of what's going on in IV-4, and so there's a lot of people,

3800
05:08:40,520 --> 05:08:46,160
there's a lot of attention on this, and I would, in going over it with the state of attorney,

3801
05:08:46,400 --> 05:08:49,280
he said, oh good, Eric's there,

3802
05:08:51,480 --> 05:08:55,860
he said, yeah, well, the neighbors have basically

3803
05:08:55,860 --> 05:09:00,720
gone to every single government agency and every single government agency is saying our hands

3804
05:09:00,720 --> 05:09:03,820
are tied, which is their favorite phrase to hear.

3805
05:09:04,640 --> 05:09:09,220
And I'm being empathetic with that, Dr. Hill, when I say that.

3806
05:09:09,800 --> 05:09:16,040
And so I think we need all of the different government entities and agencies need to get in

3807
05:09:16,040 --> 05:09:16,700
a room together.

3808
05:09:18,000 --> 05:09:23,120
No sunshine thing, it would not be a public, so it would be one commissioner in the room

3809
05:09:23,120 --> 05:09:28,020
and one representative from all those entities and I did not get a chance to talk to the

3810
05:09:28,020 --> 05:09:34,780
attorney about this before the meeting, so she's now cringing. We can move on from that idea and give you

3811
05:09:34,780 --> 05:09:38,140
time to gather your thoughts and maybe go to Eric.

3812
05:09:40,760 --> 05:09:42,760
What were you talking about, B or C?

3813
05:09:44,000 --> 05:09:50,240
That was just, just you were just talking. It's something that's not A B and C. It was, it was me just

3814
05:09:50,240 --> 05:09:53,480
giving y'all an update, and so...

3815
05:09:53,480 --> 05:09:55,240
Sorry, Eric, you were almost gone.

3816
05:09:55,380 --> 05:09:55,920
It's okay.

3817
05:09:57,220 --> 05:09:59,200
So, like the mafia, we just pull you right back again.

3818
05:09:59,760 --> 05:10:01,700
Our office is active on two fronts,

3819
05:10:01,880 --> 05:10:02,580
an number in this village.

3820
05:10:03,180 --> 05:10:07,820
One with licensing compliance with the building department,

3821
05:10:07,860 --> 05:10:10,780
where they go and make sure that the trash is picked up,

3822
05:10:10,920 --> 05:10:12,740
silvence is up, that type of thing.

3823
05:10:14,000 --> 05:10:18,340
If they are out of compliance, then they are basically frozen,

3824
05:10:18,340 --> 05:10:20,300
and then they can't proceed with any of their inspections

3825
05:10:20,300 --> 05:10:22,560
until they pay the fine clean it up.

3826
05:10:23,380 --> 05:10:27,760
That's a nominal fee, so it's $100 each incident,

3827
05:10:28,280 --> 05:10:31,040
so that the builder moves on pretty quickly from that one.

3828
05:10:31,580 --> 05:10:34,920
The other one is code enforcement is actually gone out there

3829
05:10:34,920 --> 05:10:37,760
and notified folks that have clear property

3830
05:10:37,760 --> 05:10:38,860
without permits.

3831
05:10:39,260 --> 05:10:41,900
That would be the right of way or individual lots.

3832
05:10:42,460 --> 05:10:46,440
And they have, in the neighborhood, a 30-ish notification

3833
05:10:46,440 --> 05:10:52,200
sent out with registered mail and now that feedback is coming in from the folks that received

3834
05:10:52,200 --> 05:10:58,480
those letters. They go after the owner. So some owners from what I understand were unaware

3835
05:10:58,480 --> 05:11:04,840
that there a lot was being cleared and they have higher attorneys so they're taking action

3836
05:11:04,840 --> 05:11:08,840
that way because they don't want to be cited by code enforcement or something they were unaware of.

3837
05:11:09,460 --> 05:11:15,480
So that's working this way through the system. If unresolved or they call it unabated then it would

3838
05:11:15,480 --> 05:11:20,780
before a special master and they would, the special master would have the ability to give a daily

3839
05:11:20,780 --> 05:11:26,840
fine, which is a little more substantial until it's remedied. So that's what our office

3840
05:11:26,840 --> 05:11:32,580
is doing on a number of spillage. And that is exactly what I heard a couple different things.

3841
05:11:33,480 --> 05:11:35,580
Number one, they're clearing land without permission.

3842
05:11:37,860 --> 05:11:42,140
And they are, it's a higher professionalism

3843
05:11:42,140 --> 05:11:48,180
this outfit. They are moving dirt from one place to another without any permits and so when

3844
05:11:48,180 --> 05:11:52,720
they're cutting their new roads, which they're not supposed to be doing, they push dirt onto

3845
05:11:52,720 --> 05:11:58,360
unbuilt lots that they do not have permission to push the dirt on, and they're pushing the dirt

3846
05:11:58,360 --> 05:12:06,740
onto go for tortoise burrows. And there's all kinds of just very bad things happening. One gentleman said

3847
05:12:06,740 --> 05:12:13,880
that he bought the lot specifically, but it had an old live-out canopy, very, like, and there's

3848
05:12:13,880 --> 05:12:19,740
some beautiful trees that have been cut down over there. And, there, like, it's down

3849
05:12:19,740 --> 05:12:25,840
to, like, five or six trees on the lot now, the canopy's gone. And, he's one of the ones

3850
05:12:25,840 --> 05:12:32,540
that he was outraged, because he didn't get permission for that to happen. And so, also,

3851
05:12:32,540 --> 05:12:36,600
So there's a lot of houses being built in my neighborhood in Citrus Springs.

3852
05:12:37,080 --> 05:12:42,380
They go up, I watch it, you know, they clear the pad, they put the foundation down and

3853
05:12:42,380 --> 05:12:45,880
boom, that sucker is occupied like within six months.

3854
05:12:46,560 --> 05:12:53,040
And it's all tidy, there's no trash, there's one big dumpster out front, one porta-potty,

3855
05:12:53,300 --> 05:12:53,860
that's it.

3856
05:12:53,940 --> 05:13:00,280
You drive through and this village is for, and the officer that you sent out around with

3857
05:13:00,280 --> 05:13:07,800
said, you know, they have like one dumpster per street. Okay, and there's piles of trash and

3858
05:13:07,800 --> 05:13:15,100
they're making these little net fence boxes to throw trash in, and there's dust everywhere,

3859
05:13:15,140 --> 05:13:22,600
and there's trash flying everywhere, and it's, I get the sense that they are also doing this

3860
05:13:23,200 --> 05:13:29,400
do a slab, there are houses that look like they were half built three years ago. I don't

3861
05:13:29,400 --> 05:13:34,500
know when they were built, but there's the whole middle section of roads that have a slab.

3862
05:13:34,740 --> 05:13:44,500
They have bare-cinder block with a big spray painted address on the front. Some of them don't

3863
05:13:44,500 --> 05:13:52,580
even have roofs. They have the underlayment only. They didn't even put the shingles or the

3864
05:13:52,580 --> 05:13:56,600
is going to be if it's been sitting follow for three years and they just keep starting

3865
05:13:56,600 --> 05:14:02,880
new and my sense is that he's trying to mow through all of the land he has without any

3866
05:14:02,880 --> 05:14:08,320
of us figuring out a way to stop him. And to a person, every person I've taken out there and these

3867
05:14:08,320 --> 05:14:14,120
are all people that are very engaged in this are just like this can't happen. This can't happen.

3868
05:14:14,120 --> 05:14:19,160
It's just can't happen. We've got to figure out a way and that's why Madam maternity I would like

3869
05:14:19,160 --> 05:14:23,760
get all the agencies and the room together and figure out how we can shut this down because

3870
05:14:23,760 --> 05:14:24,760
it's not okay.

3871
05:14:25,080 --> 05:14:26,260
And I don't mean to cut you off.

3872
05:14:26,260 --> 05:14:26,720
I don't.

3873
05:14:26,780 --> 05:14:31,460
You don't have a lot of good words there, but I want to pull you back a little bit because

3874
05:14:31,460 --> 05:14:33,980
one you said where you live is such a spring.

3875
05:14:34,060 --> 05:14:37,920
She meant such a show because we both don't live in the same district.

3876
05:14:39,020 --> 05:14:39,720
Thank you.

3877
05:14:40,460 --> 05:14:47,580
So, that being said, do we need, do we have any questions for Eric, board, do you have any questions

3878
05:14:47,580 --> 05:14:48,080
for him?

3879
05:14:48,700 --> 05:14:49,300
I do.

3880
05:14:50,120 --> 05:14:51,860
I can be sure it's been again laid in.

3881
05:14:52,300 --> 05:14:53,360
I'll go ahead and let her go first.

3882
05:14:53,420 --> 05:14:54,860
I just put a cough dump in my cell.

3883
05:14:59,380 --> 05:14:59,960
If you hear-

3884
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:09,620
There's somebody at $20 an hour, and you put them out there 10 hours a day, whatever, make it up. It's cheaper than legal fees.

3885
05:15:12,600 --> 05:15:16,600
Higher somebody, put them out there, stop them from daylight to dusk.

3886
05:15:17,900 --> 05:15:26,400
Well, that we have, I could enforce an officer that is assigned to that neighbor, and he goes out there with regular frequency, and every time there is a violation,

3887
05:15:27,080 --> 05:15:33,540
We have to go through the process so they send mail and notice a violation to property owner.

3888
05:15:33,920 --> 05:15:36,000
The property owner has 30 days to respond.

3889
05:15:36,620 --> 05:15:38,260
And then that's what gets the ball rolling.

3890
05:15:38,300 --> 05:15:40,840
What happens when they're moving dirt?

3891
05:15:42,920 --> 05:15:50,180
It depends if it would fall under the building inspection enforcement or the code enforcement.

3892
05:15:50,940 --> 05:15:52,900
So each one has their own process.

3893
05:15:52,900 --> 05:15:58,700
the building inspector enforcement does have the ability to stop them, but it's just $100 fine.

3894
05:15:59,000 --> 05:16:04,440
So they can show up with $100 and they move on and move the dirt to the correct spot.

3895
05:16:05,160 --> 05:16:11,500
So it's a little bit of a chase game where as soon as we notice the violation, it can be fixed.

3896
05:16:11,780 --> 05:16:13,600
Ultimately we're looking for compliance.

3897
05:16:13,800 --> 05:16:16,060
We're not looking to build a war chest.

3898
05:16:16,640 --> 05:16:18,180
We want it to be fixed.

3899
05:16:18,180 --> 05:16:24,420
So as soon as they got there and fixed it then we have to release them of that violation because it no longer exists.

3900
05:16:24,640 --> 05:16:27,180
I think what Commissioner Basis saying is,

3901
05:16:28,560 --> 05:16:32,660
maybe we need to hire a subcontractor with an umbrella,

3902
05:16:33,560 --> 05:16:35,600
an attire and a cooler,

3903
05:16:36,600 --> 05:16:40,380
and have sit out there day after day with a note pad and a camera,

3904
05:16:41,180 --> 05:16:46,620
and let them know every day, every little thing they do, we're watching them.

3905
05:16:47,960 --> 05:16:51,740
Now, I don't have the money for that to pay that person.

3906
05:16:52,160 --> 05:16:53,840
It's cheaper than legal fees.

3907
05:16:56,280 --> 05:16:59,480
So I mean, you've got V and C on here.

3908
05:16:59,860 --> 05:17:02,140
Request consideration for a moratorium,

3909
05:17:02,740 --> 05:17:05,260
or request consideration for outside council.

3910
05:17:06,920 --> 05:17:08,560
Oh, I, if I may.

3911
05:17:10,020 --> 05:17:10,580
Are you done?

3912
05:17:11,180 --> 05:17:11,620
I'm sorry.

3913
05:17:12,680 --> 05:17:15,640
So first question, and I think you touched on that.

3914
05:17:16,240 --> 05:17:18,260
We're obviously up there red tagging,

3915
05:17:18,260 --> 05:17:20,560
but they're fixing it quickly and moving on.

3916
05:17:20,920 --> 05:17:22,440
I guess they're fixing it to our standards

3917
05:17:22,440 --> 05:17:24,160
that we're removing the red tag.

3918
05:17:25,560 --> 05:17:26,440
And I don't know if you know

3919
05:17:26,440 --> 05:17:29,160
or maybe Commissioner Dave's nose or something is.

3920
05:17:29,480 --> 05:17:32,120
It's just curious because we just had this discussion

3921
05:17:32,120 --> 05:17:34,600
about roads and that was my point

3922
05:17:34,600 --> 05:17:36,880
if someone goes out and the roads are all paved

3923
05:17:36,880 --> 05:17:38,900
and they assume county ends of roads.

3924
05:17:40,560 --> 05:17:43,720
I'm assuming these people were told something

3925
05:17:43,720 --> 05:17:46,100
not accurate because they literally were moving

3926
05:17:46,100 --> 05:17:55,940
two dirt roads that are not paved. So, the developer that's not a developer, that's what I call them,

3927
05:17:56,040 --> 05:18:02,680
lied to all these poor people. I want to be part of a solution to stop the madness. I was just curious,

3928
05:18:03,300 --> 05:18:07,820
though, do these individual people, do you know if they have lawsuits going? Because you're saying they're

3929
05:18:07,820 --> 05:18:13,680
cutting down their trees, they're on their property, they've lied to them, are there active lawsuits with

3930
05:18:13,680 --> 05:18:18,180
individual homeowners I mean are they are they pursuing that I don't know so

3931
05:18:18,180 --> 05:18:23,600
it's quite late and I don't know if you have any good solutions to stop

3932
05:18:23,600 --> 05:18:30,760
the madness and I know you're saying all the elected officials in a room

3933
05:18:31,300 --> 05:18:37,300
only one commissioner by agencies agencies but I mean it could be a publicly

3934
05:18:38,140 --> 05:18:41,340
advertised. Not a good idea. Okay.

3935
05:18:44,150 --> 05:18:44,910
Do you want to elaborate?

3936
05:18:48,820 --> 05:18:52,440
Yeah. Okay. Did you have any solutions? I didn't have any.

3937
05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:56,020
I don't. We're pursuing every leave though.

3938
05:18:56,640 --> 05:19:01,840
The. A reaction that we have so I know we had at one point over 90 violations on.

3939
05:19:02,840 --> 05:19:07,500
One office of our building and then we had another 30 violations in a different office.

3940
05:19:07,500 --> 05:19:14,100
So it is not a lack of pursuing this, and a lack of violations, and we've issued at least

3941
05:19:14,100 --> 05:19:20,780
120 within the last 60 days that they fix it and move on.

3942
05:19:21,180 --> 05:19:22,060
So I'm not done yet.

3943
05:19:22,360 --> 05:19:23,420
I did.

3944
05:19:24,020 --> 05:19:28,640
So just to throw it out there, I knew some of this probably isn't popular, their conversation,

3945
05:19:29,520 --> 05:19:31,280
and maybe Madam Attorney could help.

3946
05:19:31,280 --> 05:19:41,220
But only because commissioner base had said, you know, cheaper than legal fees, I want us as a county.

3947
05:19:41,260 --> 05:19:48,680
If we can stop the madness to stop it, I might be missing where we would be on the hook for legal fees.

3948
05:19:48,960 --> 05:19:52,360
That's why I asked if the homeowners are suing.

3949
05:19:54,840 --> 05:19:58,660
Maybe I'm missing something where the county's deficient.

3950
05:19:58,660 --> 05:20:05,120
I think that we as a commissioner we might want to be careful about some of that the our words

3951
05:20:06,080 --> 05:20:10,260
Just so that they don't they don't come back and invite us

3952
05:20:11,080 --> 05:20:13,080
So that might be why the

3953
05:20:13,080 --> 05:20:16,040
Commissioner Davis said no she doesn't want to elaborate

3954
05:20:18,320 --> 05:20:26,120
I am curious though if this board is thinking I've said it twice about a moratorium. I don't know if it was

3955
05:20:27,460 --> 05:20:34,700
I've said the word moratorium twice and if that is something this board is leaning towards

3956
05:20:34,700 --> 05:20:45,400
today and there is a motion for that I will support that only if it's new permits as of

3957
05:20:46,540 --> 05:20:51,480
today. If there is a house with a construction loan and interest in all that I would not

3958
05:20:51,480 --> 05:20:54,000
I want to put that additional burden on somebody.

3959
05:20:55,940 --> 05:21:00,290
But like she said, you have a choice of put it

3960
05:21:00,290 --> 05:21:01,970
in a more touring, you don't know.

3961
05:21:02,070 --> 05:21:03,670
I'm going to garner my words.

3962
05:21:03,950 --> 05:21:05,650
Don't know how that would go.

3963
05:21:06,450 --> 05:21:08,970
You could pay for somebody to be there for the county

3964
05:21:08,970 --> 05:21:11,030
and to just keep gigantum.

3965
05:21:12,490 --> 05:21:18,550
But this person, like she said, is how many different LLCs?

3966
05:21:19,110 --> 05:21:19,490
11.

3967
05:21:20,150 --> 05:21:20,290
11.

3968
05:21:20,710 --> 05:21:22,110
This is a shell game.

3969
05:21:22,110 --> 05:21:29,110
This is a, these are grifters that are, that they know the game and they have really,

3970
05:21:31,450 --> 05:21:38,050
we keep saying, we're not responsible for this, we can only do so much, but the perception is,

3971
05:21:38,150 --> 05:21:40,210
oh no, these are our roads, we need to fix them.

3972
05:21:40,730 --> 05:21:46,950
So, I am at a loss as to what to do, but if this is one of the options, I will support it.

3973
05:21:47,250 --> 05:21:50,730
Are we legally allowed to do a moratorium on permits moving forward?

3974
05:21:52,360 --> 05:21:57,420
You are legally allowed to do a moratorium under the proper circumstances.

3975
05:21:59,420 --> 05:22:00,260
Which would be?

3976
05:22:00,780 --> 05:22:04,520
Well, you would have to make a determination.

3977
05:22:06,540 --> 05:22:07,740
Public safety?

3978
05:22:09,540 --> 05:22:10,380
No.

3979
05:22:12,200 --> 05:22:22,340
You are able to do a moratorium and the courts look at a test as to whether or not you can have a

3980
05:22:22,340 --> 05:22:29,160
have a moratorium. And it's basically, if I can summarize it, you have to be undertaking

3981
05:22:29,920 --> 05:22:38,260
a new regulation, a new law, a new project, or something that you feel that the current

3982
05:22:38,260 --> 05:22:46,120
state of affairs is going to conflict with what you intend to do while you do it. So that's

3983
05:22:46,120 --> 05:23:00,600
Just like when you're implementing a concurrency scheme, you can stop allowing development for the period of time while you pass your rules and regulations implementing concurrency.

3984
05:23:01,400 --> 05:23:12,220
So you have to have an idea of what it is you're going to do, and then you can stop the behavior which would be contrary to where you're trying to get.

3985
05:23:13,060 --> 05:23:38,540
So you would have to, in order to do a moratorium in this regard, you would have to say what it is you intend to do and how what's going on now is contrary to what you intend to do and you would have to limited to a very specific time and you would have to implement whatever it is you want to do by the end of the time period.

3986
05:23:38,540 --> 05:23:47,420
If you don't do it correctly and very limited, then you are subject to a take-ins analysis

3987
05:23:47,420 --> 05:23:48,340
by the court.

3988
05:23:48,460 --> 05:23:54,540
Basically, you have taken their ability to utilize their property for whatever period of time.

3989
05:23:54,960 --> 05:23:57,300
So the answer is, yes, you can do a moratorium.

3990
05:23:57,720 --> 05:24:05,660
You just have to craft it properly, and I don't know what your intention is that you want to do.

3991
05:24:05,660 --> 05:24:16,910
If there was ever a case, if there was ever a case that we need the course to decide

3992
05:24:16,910 --> 05:24:20,290
on something, I think this is the case.

3993
05:24:22,280 --> 05:24:28,500
That is my personal opinion as a commissioner, but if there was ever a situation that we

3994
05:24:28,500 --> 05:24:36,220
needed a judge to say, this is my ruling, it would be this situation.

3995
05:24:36,220 --> 05:24:43,620
And my fear is that the judge would not agree with what you want to do, but I'm with you if you all want a judge to decide where

3996
05:24:43,620 --> 05:24:53,960
Always have that fear, but if there was ever a case, we need a judge to say, to rule on something. To me, it would be this situation.

3997
05:24:53,960 --> 05:25:16,960
Madam, could the thing that we're trying to accomplish be, because if the county gets involved and the good people out in IV4 want to MSVU and the county to take the roads and the storm water, that would be what we're trying to accomplish.

3998
05:25:16,960 --> 05:25:23,360
if they keep building where we need drainage and stormwater control or DRA is, that interferes

3999
05:25:23,360 --> 05:25:26,800
with how we're trying to move forward. Would that not be plausible?

4000
05:25:28,120 --> 05:25:36,660
If, absolutely, that would absolutely be plausible. However, what we're hearing is the cost

4001
05:25:36,660 --> 05:25:43,800
to do the MSBU is making the MSBU prohibitive. So if you're going to tell someone, they can't

4002
05:25:43,800 --> 05:25:50,260
use their property for whatever period of time, six months, eight months, a year, three

4003
05:25:50,260 --> 05:25:58,040
years until you get roads built. That's a significant amount of time to tell someone they

4004
05:25:58,040 --> 05:26:04,660
can't use their real property. So the longer out you are, the less likely the courts are

4005
05:26:04,660 --> 05:26:12,620
going to support what you're doing. But I'm, you know, at the end of the day, if you don't have

4006
05:26:12,620 --> 05:26:19,040
road. I'd say you're going to have, you're going to be subject to some problems for telling

4007
05:26:19,040 --> 05:26:23,360
them they couldn't have used their property for six months or a year. But I'm happy to

4008
05:26:23,360 --> 05:26:30,540
let y'all do the moratorium. I'll draft it up. Or if y'all want another lawyer to tell you about

4009
05:26:30,540 --> 05:26:39,500
it, I'm good with all of that. May I? Commissioner Davis. So B and C were a little bit intertwined

4010
05:26:40,280 --> 05:26:46,600
is to do the moratorium, but also get outside council to help us with this just to get a second opinion.

4011
05:26:47,440 --> 05:26:49,460
We do second opinions all the time.

4012
05:26:50,360 --> 05:26:56,840
So, seems to me like we ought to do that, and then I would really like to do the meeting of the agencies.

4013
05:26:57,480 --> 05:26:59,160
The meeting of the agencies is fine.

4014
05:26:59,520 --> 05:27:00,300
I don't know.

4015
05:27:00,380 --> 05:27:03,220
You all probably haven't seen the letter that we got from Swiftm,

4016
05:27:03,220 --> 05:27:07,080
or know you have seen the letter that we got from Swiftmud in response to Mr.

4017
05:27:07,080 --> 05:27:16,900
easements, questions to SwiftMud. SwiftMud is not pleased by the tone of their letter with,

4018
05:27:16,900 --> 05:27:24,220
I mean, they're blaming us in the letter for not taking action. I would say that I know

4019
05:27:24,220 --> 05:27:30,580
that they watch our meetings also. So the more times we talk about things and so forth,

4020
05:27:30,600 --> 05:27:36,260
just know that people are watching and they're taking in what we say at these meetings. I'm happy

4021
05:27:36,260 --> 05:27:43,320
to sit down with any agency, with any lawyers to talk about any of this, at any time, absolute

4022
05:27:43,320 --> 05:27:43,880
math finish.

4023
05:27:44,660 --> 05:27:46,820
I wanted to cut you off a long time ago.

4024
05:27:47,560 --> 05:27:54,380
I really did, because I think that you are giving your tipping your hand more than any

4025
05:27:54,380 --> 05:27:57,080
of us, because people are watching.

4026
05:27:58,260 --> 05:28:01,740
I can't, so I'm not supposed to answer the commissioner's question.

4027
05:28:02,360 --> 05:28:03,640
I'm just saying.

4028
05:28:05,360 --> 05:28:10,520
It's the answer just the question, and don't elaborate that you think we wouldn't win

4029
05:28:10,520 --> 05:28:13,320
in court or whatever, you know, what you said earlier.

4030
05:28:15,240 --> 05:28:15,640
Go ahead.

4031
05:28:15,840 --> 05:28:19,540
I think I have to tell you what I believe your risks are.

4032
05:28:20,140 --> 05:28:21,600
You have done that a lot.

4033
05:28:22,000 --> 05:28:22,460
You have done that.

4034
05:28:22,460 --> 05:28:25,000
This is the first time I've done it in the public meeting.

4035
05:28:25,760 --> 05:28:28,580
No, we've taught when I first said more to you.

4036
05:28:29,580 --> 05:28:29,760
Okay.

4037
05:28:29,900 --> 05:28:31,080
You and I had a conversation.

4038
05:28:31,180 --> 05:28:33,180
I disagree with you but go ahead.

4039
05:28:34,040 --> 05:28:38,020
I'm happy for y'all to hire outside council to deal with this issue.

4040
05:28:38,480 --> 05:28:40,280
I didn't say anything about outside council.

4041
05:28:40,500 --> 05:28:41,380
I said more to orient.

4042
05:28:42,060 --> 05:28:45,300
I'm happy for y'all to craft a more to orient.

4043
05:28:45,360 --> 05:28:48,620
But I need to know what you all want the more to orient to be.

4044
05:28:49,020 --> 05:28:51,180
I want to hear what you were trying to tell us.

4045
05:28:52,580 --> 05:28:54,180
And I feel like you cut it short.

4046
05:28:56,380 --> 05:28:58,000
You said you were going to work.

4047
05:28:58,260 --> 05:28:58,720
You were happy to...

4048
05:28:58,720 --> 05:28:59,460
Oh, I'm happy.

4049
05:28:59,740 --> 05:29:00,820
I miss your babies.

4050
05:29:01,160 --> 05:29:01,360
Yes.

4051
05:29:01,360 --> 05:29:07,260
And I'm happy to sit down with any other attorneys, other agencies, I'm happy at any time

4052
05:29:07,260 --> 05:29:07,900
to do that.

4053
05:29:10,120 --> 05:29:14,860
So, to Commissioner Davis's question, absolutely, I'll be doing that or we can have, you

4054
05:29:14,860 --> 05:29:16,680
know, staff there too.

4055
05:29:17,140 --> 05:29:19,540
I mean, I don't know what happened when you went out with State Attorney.

4056
05:29:19,740 --> 05:29:23,080
I didn't know you had completed that, but I've been out of town, so we haven't caught up

4057
05:29:23,080 --> 05:29:23,480
on that.

4058
05:29:23,900 --> 05:29:25,640
So I'm happy to do any of that.

4059
05:29:25,820 --> 05:29:27,860
And I'm happy to draft a moratorium.

4060
05:29:27,860 --> 05:29:33,500
I just need to know direction from y'all what you want the moratorium to be. I'm also happy to

4061
05:29:34,300 --> 05:29:39,540
Contact lawyers to get outside council. I just need y'all to tell me what opinions you want from them

4062
05:29:41,440 --> 05:29:43,480
I'm happy to do any of that.

4063
05:29:46,010 --> 05:29:47,270
I'll take a crack at

4064
05:29:51,270 --> 05:29:53,070
it. I think that we

4065
05:29:53,070 --> 05:29:58,830
neighbors give one I'd like to go to outside council. I would like them to review this

4066
05:30:00,660 --> 05:30:29,440
From a level of how we acquired this position, the person that acquired the property and has 11 different entities, and he's changing them around and moving the ball, and he's able to go out and move dirt, do things that are basically against our rules and regulations.

4067
05:30:35,410 --> 05:30:41,730
What I want is I want something that definitively puts it out there that stops this

4068
05:30:43,090 --> 05:30:50,990
impact that we have with Swift Mud, either we can get on the same page or we're going

4069
05:30:50,990 --> 05:30:52,230
to find out the differences.

4070
05:30:53,670 --> 05:30:55,730
But the time is up.

4071
05:30:55,790 --> 05:31:01,230
The ball has moved and I don't want to hear that either we're at fault, we're not at fault.

4072
05:31:01,230 --> 05:31:07,650
We've been talking about this for years, years, and it's time.

4073
05:31:07,950 --> 05:31:13,810
Let's just move the needle, let's go to neighbors and give them, let's get an outside resource

4074
05:31:13,810 --> 05:31:21,470
that will tell us what our role, what our responsibility is, if we have any, and if Swift

4075
05:31:21,470 --> 05:31:30,510
Mud has any or let them look at this developer and tell us what options we have, but we keep

4076
05:31:30,510 --> 05:31:35,890
I'm dragging this can along and I'm just I want some answers and I want to move on

4077
05:31:35,890 --> 05:31:43,470
We're told it's a hundred thousand dollars or some of the some weird number to pay roads and do everything that we need to do or told

4078
05:31:43,470 --> 05:31:45,490
But we can't keep up with the

4079
05:31:47,170 --> 05:31:53,150
Things that are going on in the subdivision. It's just too much. It's just time. I

4080
05:31:53,150 --> 05:31:56,330
want outside council. I want to get this reviewed and

4081
05:31:57,550 --> 05:31:59,330
Close the books on it

4082
05:31:59,330 --> 05:32:01,150
one way or the other.

4083
05:32:03,510 --> 05:32:04,030
Mr. Davis?

4084
05:32:04,570 --> 05:32:04,950
I agree.

4085
05:32:05,110 --> 05:32:08,170
But do you also want to do a moratorium on building?

4086
05:32:08,290 --> 05:32:10,450
Because they continue to build on the low lots.

4087
05:32:10,610 --> 05:32:13,090
And it's going to get more and more expensive to fix it.

4088
05:32:13,090 --> 05:32:15,030
No, I've done my own research on that.

4089
05:32:15,150 --> 05:32:17,010
As much as I would like to say, a moratorium.

4090
05:32:17,110 --> 05:32:19,250
I would tell you, be careful of what you want.

4091
05:32:20,410 --> 05:32:22,590
So I say, let's get outside council.

4092
05:32:22,710 --> 05:32:25,550
If outside council tells us, you know,

4093
05:32:26,050 --> 05:32:27,870
I think we can do that in pretty quick order.

4094
05:32:28,010 --> 05:32:30,530
They could tell us you can either accomplish this or you can't.

4095
05:32:30,530 --> 05:32:35,450
And then we can put the moratorium in, but I don't think putting the moratorium on right now.

4096
05:32:35,450 --> 05:32:41,570
I don't think that we can come up with a measure that meets the test standard to get us where we want to go.

4097
05:32:42,110 --> 05:32:50,250
For the record, I didn't come in here with the actual, yeah, your name on one of the discussion is what I wanted.

4098
05:32:51,910 --> 05:32:53,010
I like action.

4099
05:32:56,860 --> 05:32:57,780
May I?

4100
05:32:57,780 --> 05:33:06,350
Mr. Finningham, if swift, if swift mud is not responsible for the roads and we're not responsible for the roads

4101
05:33:06,350 --> 05:33:10,030
But we both have an interest in it could our attorneys not talk I mean obviously

4102
05:33:10,030 --> 05:33:16,070
They're punting it back with a letter and saying why are you doing anything so could our attorneys not put their heads together and say

4103
05:33:17,550 --> 05:33:20,170
What direction do we go to it seems like?

4104
05:33:21,790 --> 05:33:28,450
We happen to in it and we're still at the same spot you've been speaking to swift muds

4105
05:33:29,890 --> 05:33:32,690
I didn't ask, I didn't make the request.

4106
05:33:33,150 --> 05:33:35,950
Yeah, I didn't make the request of Swift Mud.

4107
05:33:36,430 --> 05:33:38,250
Mr. Eastman spoke to Frank.

4108
05:33:38,670 --> 05:33:40,310
I wasn't partied at the conversation.

4109
05:33:40,310 --> 05:33:42,550
I didn't know the conversation was happening.

4110
05:33:43,030 --> 05:33:43,810
I didn't know anything.

4111
05:33:44,170 --> 05:33:48,070
I have a very good relationship with Elizabeth Fernandez

4112
05:33:48,070 --> 05:33:48,930
with Swift Mud.

4113
05:33:49,110 --> 05:33:52,010
And the she and I have talked many times about this.

4114
05:33:52,550 --> 05:33:55,230
But I wasn't part of the discussion

4115
05:33:55,230 --> 05:33:57,790
that led to her writing to us.

4116
05:33:57,790 --> 05:34:04,930
And at this point, and I was on vacation so I just got back and I don't know how to go forward

4117
05:34:04,930 --> 05:34:14,050
because there are so many inaccuracies in my opinion, in the letter and I would like to talk to her about it.

4118
05:34:14,170 --> 05:34:19,090
But I'm in a quandary now because this agenda item was here and I didn't make the call.

4119
05:34:19,430 --> 05:34:25,270
So I think that I can speak with her about this issue but I don't know if the well has been poisoned.

4120
05:34:25,270 --> 05:34:32,190
I don't know, but I would like to talk to her, and I could, but I mean, if you guys, I mean,

4121
05:34:32,190 --> 05:34:34,790
I don't see that anyone heard. Well, man.

4122
05:34:35,610 --> 05:34:37,450
Mr. Finnegan, are you done?

4123
05:34:38,330 --> 05:34:38,510
Yes.

4124
05:34:39,530 --> 05:34:43,550
To your point, that's why I'm suggesting putting all the agencies in the room.

4125
05:34:44,110 --> 05:34:47,310
And I have no animosity whatsoever towards whiff mud.

4126
05:34:47,310 --> 05:34:52,030
I just want to get this solved for the residents, so we can all get on to other issues.

4127
05:34:52,030 --> 05:35:01,910
And so it does need to involve FWC, DEP, State Attorney, Swift Mud, and us.

4128
05:35:02,690 --> 05:35:03,830
I take all the agencies.

4129
05:35:04,250 --> 05:35:05,670
I don't know who would be in the room.

4130
05:35:05,870 --> 05:35:09,930
I mean, if we're going to have, anyway.

4131
05:35:10,550 --> 05:35:12,690
Room full of attorneys signed me up.

4132
05:35:13,390 --> 05:35:19,070
I'd much rather be in a room full of attorneys than executive directors and people that have other agendas.

4133
05:35:20,230 --> 05:35:29,290
For the record I would be more or less blue or not silent because I would be worried about opening my mouth and in the term environment.

4134
05:35:30,530 --> 05:35:36,070
So in this hypothetical meeting, I would assume it would be you.

4135
05:35:37,170 --> 05:35:38,830
This is just that she wanted all attorneys.

4136
05:35:39,670 --> 05:35:42,350
What Howard and Miss Lynn?

4137
05:35:43,050 --> 05:35:43,970
I did other agencies?

4138
05:35:44,290 --> 05:35:46,050
I did mean our only attorneys.

4139
05:35:46,110 --> 05:35:47,410
I met from the other agencies.

4140
05:35:48,230 --> 05:35:50,970
as opposed to having to partner agency heads.

4141
05:35:51,390 --> 05:35:55,270
She wants the attorneys from those agencies not staff.

4142
05:35:56,190 --> 05:35:57,470
Is that possible?

4143
05:36:00,020 --> 05:36:02,100
I know that I can speak with the state attorney.

4144
05:36:02,780 --> 05:36:04,820
I know that I can speak with Ms. Fernandez.

4145
05:36:06,900 --> 05:36:09,280
I don't know the lawyers it.

4146
05:36:09,500 --> 05:36:12,300
I would say that all of those agencies don't live here.

4147
05:36:12,760 --> 05:36:17,560
I do, this is my district, and if there can be duct tape

4148
05:36:17,560 --> 05:36:23,100
to make sure that I don't open my mouth, but I want to hear the conversation and know

4149
05:36:23,100 --> 05:36:28,340
what the parameters are, so I understand what's happening, but if I'm overruled, if Mr.

4150
05:36:28,480 --> 05:36:32,020
Howard thinks that's a bad idea, if it ought to be just attorneys, then I will

4151
05:36:32,020 --> 05:36:34,640
see it to the group.

4152
05:36:34,640 --> 05:36:38,260
I think she was being, she was being halfway serious.

4153
05:36:38,500 --> 05:36:42,640
Yeah, I would be kidding, because she was saying she would rather deal with that.

4154
05:36:42,640 --> 05:36:47,540
I think that Mr. Eastman's question was filtered before it got to

4155
05:36:47,540 --> 05:36:57,780
to miss Hernandez just by the, you know, I don't know the response we got was just so inconsistent

4156
05:36:58,360 --> 05:37:00,160
with the request that was made.

4157
05:37:00,400 --> 05:37:01,720
Got it.

4158
05:37:01,760 --> 05:37:02,640
The mission is

4159
05:37:05,770 --> 05:37:11,250
no matter if you have this meeting, what is that, what resolution is there

4160
05:37:11,250 --> 05:37:17,950
at the end of that about knowing whether we have the right to stop this person, how is it

4161
05:37:17,950 --> 05:37:22,590
going to stop this person, what's the end game?

4162
05:37:22,950 --> 05:37:24,450
It's two separate issues.

4163
05:37:25,890 --> 05:37:27,710
He's threading the needle.

4164
05:37:28,170 --> 05:37:29,630
He is who?

4165
05:37:29,770 --> 05:37:32,850
Well, the collective they are threading the needle

4166
05:37:33,610 --> 05:37:36,450
of managing to work around all the various ages.

4167
05:37:36,450 --> 05:37:38,890
What is having this meeting going to stop him?

4168
05:37:39,070 --> 05:37:41,050
Because we can get all of them same room

4169
05:37:41,050 --> 05:37:44,210
and discuss where things might overlap,

4170
05:37:44,430 --> 05:37:46,230
or things might be able to be stopped,

4171
05:37:46,230 --> 05:37:47,710
or rectified or whatever.

4172
05:37:48,050 --> 05:37:50,970
It's worth a shot after this many years of dealing.

4173
05:37:51,410 --> 05:37:53,670
But in the meantime, while you're waiting for that meeting

4174
05:37:53,670 --> 05:37:56,330
to happen, he just keeps pulling more from it,

4175
05:37:56,330 --> 05:37:57,170
saying he's moving.

4176
05:37:57,250 --> 05:38:01,530
That's why I said, I would entertain a moratorium

4177
05:38:02,250 --> 05:38:07,610
with new permits only until we can have neighbors in Ghiblin,

4178
05:38:07,770 --> 05:38:11,210
or somebody say to us, this is what we, this is what,

4179
05:38:12,610 --> 05:38:13,590
this is our case.

4180
05:38:14,510 --> 05:38:21,190
So, I would like somebody, if you don't like that suggestion, somebody to give me another

4181
05:38:21,190 --> 05:38:25,570
suggestion, you gave, talk to neighbors and give, and Commissioner Davis said, let's

4182
05:38:25,570 --> 05:38:26,750
get them all in a room.

4183
05:38:28,650 --> 05:38:31,230
What does this, what would the board like to see us do?

4184
05:38:31,390 --> 05:38:32,530
What is your pleasure?

4185
05:38:33,450 --> 05:38:36,510
Because I've got two separate things going on, and there's only four of us.

4186
05:38:38,880 --> 05:38:48,320
My only desire is whatever you decide. I want answers. I don't, I'm tired of talk. I just want answers.

4187
05:38:49,440 --> 05:38:50,320
Are you going to be both?

4188
05:38:52,370 --> 05:38:53,230
So give me an answer.

4189
05:38:54,930 --> 05:38:57,750
Hence the attorneys in a room, we're not attorneys.

4190
05:38:58,410 --> 05:39:06,890
And we're talking about doing something that may, may help the future, may hurt potential property owners.

4191
05:39:06,890 --> 05:39:10,610
We don't know who else, or I don't know, maybe everyone else knows who owns the rest of

4192
05:39:10,610 --> 05:39:11,510
those lots.

4193
05:39:12,970 --> 05:39:17,090
And we have one commission, it doesn't think I'm more atrium is going to work or attorney

4194
05:39:17,090 --> 05:39:19,670
has some reservations about it.

4195
05:39:19,710 --> 05:39:27,770
So if commissioner Davis has a possible solution of getting brilliant legal minds together,

4196
05:39:29,190 --> 05:39:32,570
they know the law better than the four of us, that's for sure.

4197
05:39:32,570 --> 05:39:41,990
Right. And in the meantime, waiting for this meeting to happen, just curious when you say

4198
05:39:41,990 --> 05:39:48,370
moratorium? I mean, what's the time length you were tomorrow? No, no, no, moratorium has

4199
05:39:48,370 --> 05:39:54,430
done an end day, like how what's the time frame that you're looking? Until we get, I just think

4200
05:39:54,430 --> 05:40:01,630
we need to stop. You talk about talking. This, we need to stop this. Any new permits should

4201
05:40:01,630 --> 05:40:09,210
stop from today on and then if it go to neighbors in Ghiblin or go to to the different

4202
05:40:09,210 --> 05:40:14,830
agencies but in the meantime they're probably watching the meeting they're saying oh I

4203
05:40:14,830 --> 05:40:19,890
got two months let's tear down the trees let's move the dirt let's get make sure that

4204
05:40:19,890 --> 05:40:26,290
there's no area that it's built on that you that's all we're doing is talking that that's

4205
05:40:26,290 --> 05:40:30,390
why I'm just saying if someone put a motion on the table for a moratorium it would need

4206
05:40:31,170 --> 05:40:39,810
And then if it needed to be extended, I mean, I'm assuming something like that could be done, but you can't just say forever and ever a man because they're still property owners.

4207
05:40:40,870 --> 05:40:43,270
Could it could a more torturing going affect tomorrow?

4208
05:40:45,750 --> 05:40:46,030
No.

4209
05:40:46,750 --> 05:40:47,630
It can't.

4210
05:40:47,790 --> 05:40:49,730
Because I mean, it's got to come back before you.

4211
05:40:49,850 --> 05:40:50,930
There's got to be a resolution.

4212
05:40:51,250 --> 05:40:52,030
It's got to be drafted.

4213
05:40:53,750 --> 05:40:54,630
I'm sorry.

4214
05:40:54,870 --> 05:40:55,770
I bet you have your meeting.

4215
05:40:56,810 --> 05:40:58,930
Okay, so that's my idea.

4216
05:41:07,510 --> 05:41:08,070
I mean,

4217
05:41:13,140 --> 05:41:15,060
I would call them.

4218
05:41:17,520 --> 05:41:21,900
I mean, time frame of is at one month, six months a year.

4219
05:41:22,220 --> 05:41:27,540
Like, what I would say, I would say by the time we get them retained narrow the questions.

4220
05:41:28,280 --> 05:41:30,280
They do their res maybe three months.

4221
05:41:31,920 --> 05:41:33,080
I don't know. Maybe quicker.

4222
05:41:33,080 --> 05:41:40,880
Then, if I may, what I would suggest is that we draft the moratorium for the next meeting,

4223
05:41:41,480 --> 05:41:45,000
although you're done going to tell me that it can't go until the following meeting,

4224
05:41:45,520 --> 05:41:52,200
but anyway, and make it for whatever period of time it takes to get neighbors and

4225
05:41:52,200 --> 05:41:56,960
give ones answer back and that would give us time to have the agency meeting.

4226
05:41:57,580 --> 05:41:59,200
To try to bring this in for a landing.

4227
05:42:00,380 --> 05:42:04,160
because we can still vote, we can still vote the moratorium down.

4228
05:42:04,260 --> 05:42:07,960
I just think it's interesting that we're following the rules.

4229
05:42:09,000 --> 05:42:11,260
And it's a while, while West out there with this guy.

4230
05:42:13,100 --> 05:42:18,080
So I think this, you know, I'll do a support wishes,

4231
05:42:19,180 --> 05:42:23,800
but I think like what Commissioner Bay said enough talk.

4232
05:42:24,740 --> 05:42:25,840
Let's do something.

4233
05:42:26,600 --> 05:42:28,080
excuse me for one moment.

4234
05:42:33,240 --> 05:42:34,160
You're in charge of the shift?

4235
05:42:34,200 --> 05:42:34,560
Yes.

4236
05:42:35,000 --> 05:42:36,860
Madam attorney, did you have something to say?

4237
05:42:37,480 --> 05:42:40,780
If you want me to do draft the moratorium,

4238
05:42:41,180 --> 05:42:44,000
I just need to know what y'all want.

4239
05:42:45,380 --> 05:42:50,780
It needs to be based upon the county taking some kind of action

4240
05:42:50,780 --> 05:42:54,760
to change a rule, build something,

4241
05:42:55,580 --> 05:42:56,480
tear something down,

4242
05:42:57,280 --> 05:42:58,300
change a regulation.

4243
05:42:58,300 --> 05:43:01,700
and I mean, it needs to be something that you are doing.

4244
05:43:02,300 --> 05:43:04,980
So I just need you to tell me what you want it to say.

4245
05:43:05,260 --> 05:43:06,820
If that's what you want me to do.

4246
05:43:07,180 --> 05:43:10,800
Do you have any suggestions, such as environmental destruction,

4247
05:43:11,100 --> 05:43:15,480
wildlife destruction, tearing down trees on people's property

4248
05:43:15,480 --> 05:43:16,460
without permission?

4249
05:43:16,940 --> 05:43:22,600
Well, they're already not allowed to do that.

4250
05:43:24,780 --> 05:43:26,040
I mean, they're not allowed to do that.

4251
05:43:26,040 --> 05:43:29,260
So if they're not following the rules, why can we not wrap up more

4252
05:43:29,260 --> 05:43:30,920
touring around that for two months?

4253
05:43:32,600 --> 05:43:36,420
What is the law you were working on is strengthening the existing?

4254
05:43:36,880 --> 05:43:40,880
Because Eric had said they're slapping them because they're not allowed to do all these

4255
05:43:40,880 --> 05:43:41,420
things.

4256
05:43:41,860 --> 05:43:46,340
But we need to, if we're doing a more retirement, it has to be based on something that we're

4257
05:43:46,340 --> 05:43:47,300
trying to accomplish.

4258
05:43:47,780 --> 05:43:52,980
Could we set up a new law or tougher penalties for the existing ones that we have?

4259
05:43:54,480 --> 05:44:02,760
Unfortunately, code compliance is not the tool that I have experienced for members want it to be.

4260
05:44:03,280 --> 05:44:09,040
Code compliance is not a, like I felt like what Commissioner Bayes was saying.

4261
05:44:09,540 --> 05:44:16,080
She wanted to hire someone to sit out there to make them stop doing the things they're not supposed to do while they're doing it.

4262
05:44:16,080 --> 05:44:19,360
unfortunate, and I felt like that's what she was trying to get at.

4263
05:44:19,500 --> 05:44:21,500
Like, let's hire a person and have them sit out there.

4264
05:44:21,700 --> 05:44:26,920
What I was hearing from that was she wants somebody to immediately stop doing what they're not supposed to do.

4265
05:44:27,280 --> 05:44:29,660
Unfortunately, these are not criminal acts.

4266
05:44:30,200 --> 05:44:38,260
There is no police officer or anybody with authority that can go out there with a gun and say stop driving that tractor.

4267
05:44:39,280 --> 05:44:40,880
So it's a civil thing.

4268
05:44:40,880 --> 05:44:45,760
and, unfortunately, civil remedies are never immediate. They're never what you are

4269
05:44:45,760 --> 05:44:51,980
want them to be. So, when you say strength in it, I guess you could, yes, I guess I could

4270
05:44:51,980 --> 05:44:57,400
craft something that would say that we are increasing the penalties for clearing lots

4271
05:44:57,400 --> 05:44:58,300
without a permit.

4272
05:45:00,500 --> 05:45:14,340
That could be one thing. And we could go into the ordinance making process of changing that. I don't know exactly. I can't remember where it is. I think it might be in the LDC, but we could figure it out. Yes.

4273
05:45:16,420 --> 05:45:17,440
That would be a start.

4274
05:45:18,160 --> 05:45:25,380
Just curious, is there anything, because we had talked about how do we stop this from happening in other developments in the future that may be around dirt roads?

4275
05:45:26,680 --> 05:45:32,680
I go back to these people about a home on a dirt road and obviously rely to, they thought,

4276
05:45:32,840 --> 05:45:37,440
or they think that it's getting paved and it wasn't, do we, can we put anything in place

4277
05:45:37,440 --> 05:45:44,720
as a penalty to any sort of these developers, that's not developers, that are doing the same thing.

4278
05:45:44,840 --> 05:45:50,200
Like, if they're misleading in sales, can we come back and make that any sort of a law?

4279
05:45:50,200 --> 05:46:09,260
Well, there are already laws that say that you can't be fraudulent, you can't misrepresent things in the sale of real property, but none of the homeowners that I'm aware of, or at least, yes, that I'm aware of are actually suing them, the homeowners have come to you all to fix their problem.

4280
05:46:09,260 --> 05:46:15,760
There are remedies that they could have if they hired a lawyer and went after these people.

4281
05:46:16,160 --> 05:46:20,260
It's a common scheme that these people are perpetrating on the victims.

4282
05:46:21,160 --> 05:46:24,960
I don't know whether the state attorney believes that it's risen to a criminal level or not,

4283
05:46:25,000 --> 05:46:26,940
because I haven't talked to the state attorney.

4284
05:46:28,140 --> 05:46:33,460
But if it's not a crime, then those folks have civil remedies.

4285
05:46:33,760 --> 05:46:35,600
I don't know of any of them that have sued.

4286
05:46:36,340 --> 05:46:38,340
So there are already laws.

4287
05:46:40,900 --> 05:46:44,940
When I stepped back in, Commissioner Bay said she would like to say something.

4288
05:46:48,840 --> 05:46:51,320
And I have not been out there in probably three weeks.

4289
05:46:51,960 --> 05:46:54,340
So I don't know where they're at in their development.

4290
05:46:57,130 --> 05:47:01,290
The roads where there is no development.

4291
05:47:03,510 --> 05:47:08,110
Could we put a moratorium on that for stormwater drainage,

4292
05:47:09,650 --> 05:47:10,210
mitigation,

4293
05:47:13,270 --> 05:47:17,730
I know I'm stretching, but is there a way to, for that particular that we can

4294
05:47:17,730 --> 05:47:22,350
put a moratorium on for six months to figure out stormwater drainage,

4295
05:47:27,920 --> 05:47:28,320
environmental

4296
05:47:28,320 --> 05:47:30,300
permit issues,

4297
05:47:37,120 --> 05:47:41,740
getting back to what Commissioner Slayba was saying earlier, why don't you

4298
05:47:41,740 --> 05:47:43,340
Let us just craft something,

4299
05:47:45,500 --> 05:47:47,400
rather than discussing it.

4300
05:47:48,740 --> 05:47:50,960
Sure, on our hand.

4301
05:47:52,140 --> 05:47:53,580
The, the Mr. Davis.

4302
05:47:53,900 --> 05:47:57,540
The state attorney did say that if there's been an IMSA.

4303
05:47:57,540 --> 05:47:59,520
Are you sure you want to say all that?

4304
05:47:59,520 --> 05:48:02,020
Okay, I mean, I'm just, I

4305
05:48:04,480 --> 05:48:06,140
don't know what they say.

4306
05:48:06,260 --> 05:48:09,700
Can we, can we, can we move on?

4307
05:48:09,920 --> 05:48:12,780
I hope y'all see how hard this is.

4308
05:48:14,140 --> 05:48:14,920
I really do.

4309
05:48:14,920 --> 05:48:18,660
This is criminal behavior.

4310
05:48:20,080 --> 05:48:22,420
It's hypothetical criminal behavior.

4311
05:48:26,080 --> 05:48:31,400
Commissioner Davis, do you have a solution for us that you would like to see us move forward?

4312
05:48:34,400 --> 05:48:41,140
No, there's no motions here because you would have to bring the neighbors and give them contract back to you just want to consensus at this point.

4313
05:48:43,060 --> 05:48:57,320
It's up to y'all. If y'all want me to reach out to neighbor's Ghiblin, get a retainer agreement from them sign it and then bring it to you for ratification afterwards, then I can certainly do that similar to what the next item is.

4314
05:48:57,320 --> 05:49:09,400
I can do that with a time frame and immediate time frame for what for them to say they can do something.

4315
05:49:09,940 --> 05:49:16,740
Either they're going to do it. They find something or what they're doing.

4316
05:49:19,760 --> 05:49:23,280
We've talked about a lot of different things. We've talked about a more term.

4317
05:49:23,280 --> 05:49:28,320
we talked about our current violations, we talked about if it's even our responsibility, we talked

4318
05:49:28,320 --> 05:49:33,760
about the responsibility of the homeowners for a lawsuit, so I mean, I'm just like, we

4319
05:49:33,760 --> 05:49:36,160
we've possibly put it to on their behalf as we're the counties.

4320
05:49:36,660 --> 05:49:41,640
So what exactly are we asking them to do, it's just what I need for a vacation on?

4321
05:49:43,800 --> 05:49:45,080
My issue is,

4322
05:49:48,280 --> 05:49:54,140
I want to know, and again, I mean, I'm cautious about what I'm saying here.

4323
05:49:54,800 --> 05:50:02,780
I want to know what our rights are and what they're not and how we move forward.

4324
05:50:04,200 --> 05:50:08,520
We just keep bouncing in the ball and we're not getting anywhere, we keep talking about

4325
05:50:08,520 --> 05:50:08,800
this.

4326
05:50:08,940 --> 05:50:16,660
I mean, I don't know how many hours of time we take up all of us, staff us doing this and

4327
05:50:16,660 --> 05:50:20,260
then the homeowners are setting out there and I know they're tired of it.

4328
05:50:20,260 --> 05:50:27,660
I hope they all band together, go hire an attorney for criminal lawsuit, and maybe if we're

4329
05:50:27,660 --> 05:50:31,280
all in this together between them and us, maybe we get somewhere.

4330
05:50:32,040 --> 05:50:37,720
But I'm ready to get to figure out what we can and can't do and move forward.

4331
05:50:37,780 --> 05:50:41,940
To stop construction, stop the criminal activity.

4332
05:50:43,500 --> 05:50:45,120
Is that safe to say?

4333
05:50:46,060 --> 05:50:46,360
Stop.

4334
05:50:46,660 --> 05:50:49,640
Well, it feels like at the county we can just stop construction.

4335
05:50:49,640 --> 05:50:52,700
It seems like the homeowners would have to, you know,

4336
05:50:52,760 --> 05:50:54,540
if there's a criminal activity, they're the victims.

4337
05:50:55,660 --> 05:50:58,400
So, like we struck me from wrong Madame attorney,

4338
05:50:58,580 --> 05:51:00,240
we're not allowed to sue in their behalf.

4339
05:51:00,440 --> 05:51:02,760
They would have to do that because they're the actual victims.

4340
05:51:03,560 --> 05:51:08,800
We would need to know how we stop the this contractor

4341
05:51:08,800 --> 05:51:10,020
from moving forward.

4342
05:51:10,100 --> 05:51:13,500
That's the only thing I see that we're allowed to do.

4343
05:51:13,620 --> 05:51:14,540
Am I missing something?

4344
05:51:15,100 --> 05:51:16,740
Okay, thank you for saying that.

4345
05:51:16,920 --> 05:51:18,440
I do have a question.

4346
05:51:20,400 --> 05:51:30,660
Is it the not developer, not contractor pulling the permits in their name are the homeowners pulling these permits?

4347
05:51:31,540 --> 05:51:32,100
Both.

4348
05:51:33,180 --> 05:51:34,000
I think it's both.

4349
05:51:34,500 --> 05:51:36,640
I think the doctor and the land.

4350
05:51:39,170 --> 05:51:39,390
Okay.

4351
05:51:40,010 --> 05:51:40,410
Thank you.

4352
05:51:41,610 --> 05:51:43,630
Will you say that for open to public?

4353
05:51:44,250 --> 05:51:45,350
Save it for us.

4354
05:51:45,590 --> 05:51:46,410
Is that what I want to say?

4355
05:51:46,410 --> 05:51:53,370
I think it's sometimes both because sometimes the property owner, they're using the property

4356
05:51:53,370 --> 05:52:01,350
owner's name if there's a third party but I think sometimes also the contractor and the property

4357
05:52:01,350 --> 05:52:02,070
owner guy.

4358
05:52:02,510 --> 05:52:07,190
But I think there's two issues and this is what I need to know for neighbors given.

4359
05:52:07,590 --> 05:52:12,130
Do you want them to tell you what your rights and responsibilities are as to construction of the

4360
05:52:12,130 --> 05:52:18,530
streets, and let me finish as one question, or do you want them to only focus on how do we

4361
05:52:18,530 --> 05:52:28,030
make this stop while we put this MSBU together? Because ultimately putting the MSBU together,

4362
05:52:28,390 --> 05:52:32,850
I don't know if that's going to be your answer, because I don't know if that's going to be feasible.

4363
05:52:32,850 --> 05:52:47,770
I have said before that I thought that the MSBU, the price that we got was so high, it would not be something that some of these people could even afford.

4364
05:52:48,890 --> 05:52:56,830
And I do not feel comfortable saying to people, we're going to put an MSBU on and you're going to pay this much money.

4365
05:52:56,830 --> 05:53:04,670
I do not feel comfortable with it, so I don't, I think that would, that part would be a waste of money.

4366
05:53:05,590 --> 05:53:10,990
So if that's if, if, if, if there, but I'm only one vote, so maybe if it else is comfortable.

4367
05:53:11,050 --> 05:53:18,650
If more of you thought that then stopping the construction, it gets you nowhere

4368
05:53:18,650 --> 05:53:25,850
Because if the goal of stopping construction is to facilitate the construction of the roads,

4369
05:53:26,850 --> 05:53:33,010
and you don't intend to construct the roads, then what are you stopping construction for?

4370
05:53:34,050 --> 05:53:36,670
I'm sorry. Let me finish this.

4371
05:53:36,670 --> 05:53:45,890
This, they, they are, there is construction happening where's drainage, DRA needs to be.

4372
05:53:46,410 --> 05:53:58,090
And if we could stop that until maybe we figure out where the storm water system needs to be on the vacant land that we have access to now.

4373
05:53:59,070 --> 05:54:12,450
But he just keeps building, and we don't have areas where there are some lots, aren't there some homes being built on DRAs that we're looking at?

4374
05:54:12,610 --> 05:54:17,810
DRAs are only going to be relevant if roads are constructed.

4375
05:54:18,150 --> 05:54:25,330
I understand that, but it's just the cart before the horse and it's just this vicious cycle that we're on.

4376
05:54:25,330 --> 05:54:29,850
And if we don't stop something, how are we ever going to fix it?

4377
05:54:32,040 --> 05:54:33,140
I don't know.

4378
05:54:33,960 --> 05:54:35,180
I'll try to bring this in.

4379
05:54:35,220 --> 05:54:39,360
The point would be is to hit the pause button, Madam maternity.

4380
05:54:40,300 --> 05:54:43,880
So number one, the rights and responsibilities, et cetera,

4381
05:54:43,980 --> 05:54:48,300
as Commissioner Bay said, would be number one, point number two,

4382
05:54:48,480 --> 05:54:51,040
which is actually a little bit flipped.

4383
05:54:51,520 --> 05:54:54,900
The point number two should be the first thing that they work on

4384
05:54:54,900 --> 05:55:00,740
is figuring out a way that we can do that moratorium to hit the

4385
05:55:00,740 --> 05:55:04,580
basically to hit the pause button because I said I used the phrase earlier

4386
05:55:04,580 --> 05:55:09,540
if you're in a whole stop digging. This one really is bad. It's getting

4387
05:55:09,540 --> 05:55:14,860
deeper and deeper and deeper and we need a legal way to hit the pause button

4388
05:55:14,860 --> 05:55:24,880
so we can figure that out and it might make the associated parties a little bit more

4389
05:55:24,880 --> 05:55:28,040
associated roads and all of that.

4390
05:55:28,360 --> 05:55:29,420
I got it.

4391
05:55:30,180 --> 05:55:36,640
Are you going to be drafted or more draft you a moratorium and what are your rights and responsibilities?

4392
05:55:37,820 --> 05:55:41,340
Are you going to do any kind of motion in seconds so that we can?

4393
05:55:41,340 --> 05:55:48,340
Yes, so I make a motion that we direct our attorney to.

4394
05:55:49,200 --> 05:55:50,320
Is there already a motion?

4395
05:55:52,630 --> 05:55:59,550
Oh, good. You got it. Sorry. I couldn't see how the side of my head.

4396
05:56:00,330 --> 05:56:05,350
I shouldn't approve the county attorney to create a moratorium and to acquire outside

4397
05:56:05,350 --> 05:56:09,890
council, neighbors in Giblin to review and advise the county and when our rights and

4398
05:56:09,890 --> 05:56:16,910
responsibilities are. Actually, it was to have neighbors in Giblin advise us on the moratorium

4399
05:56:16,910 --> 05:56:19,130
as well as the rights and responsibilities.

4400
05:56:25,200 --> 05:56:27,440
So I'm not drafting a moratorium. I'm going to

4401
05:56:27,440 --> 05:56:31,860
neighbors given to advise on whether a moratorium is appropriate.

4402
05:56:33,100 --> 05:56:40,500
Yes, the moratorium is the other issue that we need to decide whether we want to just go ahead and do something now.

4403
05:56:41,020 --> 05:56:45,080
And we can always vote it down later, but at least get it in process. That would be a second motion.

4404
05:56:46,140 --> 05:56:47,460
So that's my motion.

4405
05:56:48,280 --> 05:56:50,480
Just neighbors in Ghiblin for now.

4406
05:56:50,540 --> 05:56:53,840
So we have a motion on the floor by Commissioner Davis. This is our second.

4407
05:56:55,680 --> 05:56:57,840
I'll second I had to make it go away.

4408
05:57:00,730 --> 05:57:01,150
Thank you.

4409
05:57:03,320 --> 05:57:06,280
Is there any public comment on this motion?

4410
05:57:06,620 --> 05:57:09,580
Come here.

4411
05:57:10,140 --> 05:57:13,120
And if you ever me out at me again, Mr. Frank,

4412
05:57:14,340 --> 05:57:15,900
if there were four me out,

4413
05:57:16,240 --> 05:57:17,520
if there were four gentlemen up here,

4414
05:57:17,640 --> 05:57:18,760
you would not me out at me.

4415
05:57:18,760 --> 05:57:19,960
Yeah, I would.

4416
05:57:20,100 --> 05:57:21,840
Yeah, trust me, I would.

4417
05:57:23,780 --> 05:57:25,900
Children don't like to see their parents fighting.

4418
05:57:25,900 --> 05:57:29,900
Well, anyway, getting back to why I'm here, okay?

4419
05:57:31,280 --> 05:57:33,780
I've been in construction since I was 15.

4420
05:57:34,300 --> 05:57:38,700
I'm 81 years old. I stopped construction maybe 10 years ago.

4421
05:57:40,600 --> 05:57:45,040
No where in an entire country other than here in Florida,

4422
05:57:45,880 --> 05:57:49,900
do they build housing projects without building the roads?

4423
05:57:51,380 --> 05:57:55,240
And I don't understand why you turn around and still let people turn around

4424
05:57:55,240 --> 05:57:58,540
and build all these houses with dirt roads.

4425
05:57:59,100 --> 05:58:00,100
Why aren't they paved?

4426
05:58:00,560 --> 05:58:02,040
That's what's supposed to be.

4427
05:58:02,240 --> 05:58:04,380
The homeowner, when he buys the house,

4428
05:58:04,680 --> 05:58:07,320
assumes there's going to be a road there.

4429
05:58:07,540 --> 05:58:10,160
When I moved here, I assumed it was going to be roads

4430
05:58:10,160 --> 05:58:11,740
and found out no, they're not.

4431
05:58:12,040 --> 05:58:14,580
And not only were they not, they never will be.

4432
05:58:15,640 --> 05:58:18,160
But you're building houses all over the place.

4433
05:58:18,340 --> 05:58:19,400
You're building projects.

4434
05:58:19,400 --> 05:58:33,080
What is happening on 2, 485 and 491 where we're building this big project and are they putting roads in there or they're going to be dirt roads?

4435
05:58:33,760 --> 05:58:40,880
If you tell me you're putting dirt roads in, then I don't want to say what my thoughts would be.

4436
05:58:40,880 --> 05:58:49,340
You know, but you should be, you should have, as a January 1st, all projects will be,

4437
05:58:49,380 --> 05:58:54,860
we'll have a 25-year road and they will be inspected and you'll have an environmental protection

4438
05:58:54,860 --> 05:59:00,140
agency out there checking to make sure that you're not screwing up on the drainage, you know,

4439
05:59:00,260 --> 05:59:05,880
and just get it over with. I don't understand why you still want to build dirt roads.

4440
05:59:05,880 --> 05:59:08,040
And that's my two cents.

4441
05:59:08,820 --> 05:59:09,520
Thank you, sir.

4442
05:59:10,080 --> 05:59:10,660
Next speaker.

4443
05:59:16,790 --> 05:59:18,350
That was very good.

4444
05:59:19,450 --> 05:59:20,970
I have several concerns.

4445
05:59:23,050 --> 05:59:26,930
The issue that I have is that we're not compliant with SwiftMut.

4446
05:59:27,450 --> 05:59:32,710
There's no ERP in place, so this is a big issue.

4447
05:59:34,510 --> 05:59:39,210
Not only do we need retention areas, as you well are aware,

4448
05:59:39,210 --> 05:59:47,270
there's homes that are built and what may end up needing to be torn down to build a retention

4449
05:59:47,270 --> 05:59:56,590
pot because there's so much homes already built. We don't even know where they're going to be

4450
05:59:56,590 --> 05:59:59,970
putting anything down. What kind of roads we can have and so forth.

4451
06:00:00,080 --> 06:00:25,140
That's why it caused so much money. Miss Lynn made the comment, you know, that they can't stop permitting, you know, in the past, because you're not allowed to do that, but because you continue to give permits and they continue to build, that's why an MSBU is out of reach for a lot of us.

4452
06:00:25,140 --> 06:00:37,420
So, the county misfine again is also responsible because you continue to make the problem worse by doing that.

4453
06:00:37,860 --> 06:00:39,880
I don't know the answer, I'm not a lawyer.

4454
06:00:40,280 --> 06:00:46,380
I wish I did go to law school because this has become a real headache for me and for some other residents.

4455
06:00:46,880 --> 06:00:49,260
But something needs to be done.

4456
06:00:49,260 --> 06:01:00,020
And you're right, it is criminal, but like Mr. Frank, we assume we were going to get roads, we were told that it wouldn't cost us a lot of money.

4457
06:01:00,540 --> 06:01:06,740
But 80 to $100,000, really? That's ridiculous. That really is ridiculous.

4458
06:01:07,900 --> 06:01:13,400
I want to go back to G1 that you all kind of for our information.

4459
06:01:14,580 --> 06:01:19,720
You're really not addressing the fact that they need to be

4460
06:01:19,720 --> 06:01:23,500
compliant with SwiftMud, they need an ERP before they can build.

4461
06:01:24,380 --> 06:01:29,760
No where in that statement is that said, you know, I've been to SwiftMud meetings,

4462
06:01:30,420 --> 06:01:35,200
I've had discussions with Mr. Frank, and as a manufacturer, I'm going to call

4463
06:01:35,200 --> 06:01:40,280
him on the letter that they send you because I really don't understand the

4464
06:01:42,920 --> 06:01:47,740
And I do appreciate, I know how difficult it is for you because this is in something

4465
06:01:48,760 --> 06:01:53,040
that many of you were on the board at the time when all this mess was going on.

4466
06:01:53,220 --> 06:01:55,820
But someone needs to put a stop to this.

4467
06:01:56,180 --> 06:01:57,820
And I really don't have the solution.

4468
06:01:58,460 --> 06:02:01,320
I'm just, it's a big headache for all of us.

4469
06:02:01,500 --> 06:02:02,820
You know, not just for you.

4470
06:02:03,080 --> 06:02:05,660
And I do appreciate the time that you put in.

4471
06:02:05,660 --> 06:02:09,760
But Miss Lynn, you need to give us some guidance also.

4472
06:02:10,380 --> 06:02:15,920
You know, when we have meetings, you don't attend the meetings, so you don't even know what our concerns are.

4473
06:02:16,820 --> 06:02:19,720
Miss Lynn is not. Miss Lynn is this board's attorney.

4474
06:02:19,880 --> 06:02:25,320
No, I understand. But the board is also present, so they can guide the individual.

4475
06:02:25,880 --> 06:02:27,780
Thank you. Next speaker.

4476
06:02:34,680 --> 06:02:37,960
My name is Don Martin, and I do live in everyone else for.

4477
06:02:39,280 --> 06:02:45,440
Just seems like there's a lot of kicking the can down the road, but been to several meetings as always the same stuff.

4478
06:02:46,080 --> 06:02:48,740
I have, and some more residents, which is like some answers.

4479
06:02:50,200 --> 06:02:51,400
As to where we are on the roads.

4480
06:02:51,480 --> 06:02:56,120
I'm in the home, where we are on the roads, one way or the other.

4481
06:02:56,420 --> 06:03:03,940
When we came, when we came in January of 21, is when we bought our lot.

4482
06:03:03,940 --> 06:03:11,000
We go in this guy's rep, representative sales office, I ask him about the roads, when

4483
06:03:11,000 --> 06:03:16,000
the street is finished, then they will pay you the roads and put it in your taxes.

4484
06:03:17,560 --> 06:03:22,460
The homes that have the paved streets and that's, we're told that's phase one, okay?

4485
06:03:22,700 --> 06:03:28,600
I live in phase two, which when I walked out of that office, I took that guy out of his

4486
06:03:29,060 --> 06:03:29,500
word.

4487
06:03:29,500 --> 06:03:31,780
Well, I have a dummy, it was a lie.

4488
06:03:33,300 --> 06:03:38,960
So, but you guys, I'm sorry, the board needs to do whatever they need to do to stop

4489
06:03:38,960 --> 06:03:41,480
this builder tomorrow,

4490
06:03:44,360 --> 06:03:48,740
from coming to next road or clearing the next spot, to save the next

4491
06:03:50,140 --> 06:03:59,380
innocent home buyer that moves into Citrus County, because we come in on assuming, I mean,

4492
06:03:59,380 --> 06:04:06,110
almost 73 years old, I've raised up a handshake with you word. You take a person that's a word

4493
06:04:07,320 --> 06:04:12,960
at the word like the gas cells representative. But here we are today. You've been to several meetings.

4494
06:04:13,140 --> 06:04:14,320
It's a headache for everybody.

4495
06:04:16,740 --> 06:04:19,160
I mean, just give us some concrete answers one way there.

4496
06:04:19,400 --> 06:04:26,410
What's going to happen and life goes on. I mean, but they're again to save,

4497
06:04:27,430 --> 06:04:31,330
especially the people that have built their homes under certain of what might be the recess

4498
06:04:31,330 --> 06:04:33,970
upon later, the home might have to be torn down.

4499
06:04:35,270 --> 06:04:42,470
Well, as far as I know, I'm not on one of those lots, but it's just, I can imagine if I was

4500
06:04:42,470 --> 06:04:43,470
on one of those lots.

4501
06:04:44,270 --> 06:04:47,430
And it's just, you need to do everything and can to shut down Vanderbilt construction.

4502
06:04:48,270 --> 06:04:49,010
Thank you.

4503
06:04:49,130 --> 06:04:49,750
Thank you.

4504
06:04:50,050 --> 06:04:51,190
Next speaker, please.

4505
06:04:52,690 --> 06:04:54,230
Sir, can you fill out a green card?

4506
06:04:59,570 --> 06:05:03,030
When Martin, I also live in Edinburgh, Nashville, four.

4507
06:05:03,970 --> 06:05:09,670
The county knew this was all going on back in 17 and 18 because you were getting letters

4508
06:05:09,670 --> 06:05:10,770
from Swift Mud.

4509
06:05:11,230 --> 06:05:12,570
They were addressed to the county.

4510
06:05:12,710 --> 06:05:14,650
It's not like this just happened overnight.

4511
06:05:15,250 --> 06:05:21,610
You've known for two years, this guy's tearing up trees that drill LDC says he needs a permit

4512
06:05:21,610 --> 06:05:22,730
to take out.

4513
06:05:22,730 --> 06:05:29,850
You know that it's not something that we keep picking the can I agree with that

4514
06:05:29,850 --> 06:05:38,350
But you've known all this for two years. You knew back in January. I brought the LDC up with the cutting down the trees and I

4515
06:05:38,350 --> 06:05:41,970
Just don't understand everybody saying it just happened

4516
06:05:44,850 --> 06:05:52,190
Could you just bring it down a little bit and and just you're you're you're yelling and

4517
06:05:52,190 --> 06:05:59,270
Into the might apologize. I won't use this microphone comes back because on home gear and it's just pretty true. That's okay

4518
06:05:59,950 --> 06:06:05,870
None of us were on the board then do you you were on the board?

4519
06:06:06,210 --> 06:06:14,490
No, you were on the board when this just said 718 and 18 we were elected. You got letters from Swift mud 1718

4520
06:06:15,550 --> 06:06:20,590
1921 22. I've a stack this much. I showed them to Mr. Howard

4521
06:06:20,590 --> 06:06:23,890
I showed them to you at our personal meeting.

4522
06:06:25,390 --> 06:06:28,690
I have a stack, it went to the county,

4523
06:06:29,090 --> 06:06:34,050
it went to Randy Oliver, it went to,

4524
06:06:34,050 --> 06:06:37,410
and I can't help who past board is,

4525
06:06:37,730 --> 06:06:39,990
it's not like the county just stopped,

4526
06:06:40,270 --> 06:06:42,670
we got a new board, now we have a new county.

4527
06:06:43,450 --> 06:06:45,210
It's still responsible for the county.

4528
06:06:47,770 --> 06:06:49,430
So it's not like this, it's just started.

4529
06:06:49,430 --> 06:06:54,290
And as far as them coming out and checking what he's doing,

4530
06:06:54,750 --> 06:06:56,870
I didn't see anything on the attachment

4531
06:06:57,430 --> 06:07:00,390
where he stuck on a house at the present time

4532
06:07:00,390 --> 06:07:04,050
and dumping his concrete leftover into the ground.

4533
06:07:04,570 --> 06:07:05,850
It's all over the front yard.

4534
06:07:06,030 --> 06:07:07,830
If the county's out there every day,

4535
06:07:08,110 --> 06:07:09,310
they had to see that today.

4536
06:07:09,590 --> 06:07:10,930
I seen it coming in.

4537
06:07:11,690 --> 06:07:13,850
And I believe that's an ERP issue.

4538
06:07:14,190 --> 06:07:17,470
I believe that's an issue with your resources.

4539
06:07:18,930 --> 06:07:23,490
My resources, but nowhere on that attachment doesn't list that.

4540
06:07:23,610 --> 06:07:28,850
Lairn the listing homes on rejoice and I don't really think he's cut the whole street in yet.

4541
06:07:30,410 --> 06:07:32,510
And he moves dirt on a daily basis.

4542
06:07:32,870 --> 06:07:34,230
He'll move a pile here.

4543
06:07:34,530 --> 06:07:35,730
He'll move a pile here.

4544
06:07:35,990 --> 06:07:38,150
And if it wasn't for staying at 48 hours,

4545
06:07:38,590 --> 06:07:39,310
he's barren.

4546
06:07:39,530 --> 06:07:41,990
His concrete is construction material.

4547
06:07:42,730 --> 06:07:44,690
And I believe the county knows that too.

4548
06:07:44,690 --> 06:07:51,670
You come out there and you don't have basements and in redess four in the reach. So why is he building 20 feet?

4549
06:07:53,350 --> 06:08:00,290
15, 20 feet wide. 20 feet down in that wide. What's he doing? He's not putting infrastructure in.

4550
06:08:01,270 --> 06:08:04,790
Thank you. Is there anybody else that has something to say?

4551
06:08:07,080 --> 06:08:10,800
I know that you're coming from a place of frustration as

4552
06:08:10,800 --> 06:08:19,040
are most of your neighbors, but Dr. Kubitsha, you said, the county needs to do something,

4553
06:08:19,140 --> 06:08:25,820
the county needs to stop this. What about the homeowners that are pulling these permits?

4554
06:08:26,420 --> 06:08:32,720
You're putting all that on us, but I'm just saying, this is not a one-way street,

4555
06:08:33,340 --> 06:08:40,040
this is not. And you've been sitting there the whole time. We're trying to find solutions for you.

4556
06:08:40,040 --> 06:08:48,040
now we are the oldest ones up here today we were elected in November of 2020.

4557
06:08:49,820 --> 06:08:54,720
Okay, but I'm just saying you know pointing at us and saying you're the board you've done this you've

4558
06:08:54,720 --> 06:09:02,620
known that commissioner Bay said that this is not this has been going on forever we have been

4559
06:09:02,620 --> 06:09:08,960
two years you hear every time we bring something forward nope you can't do that nope you can't

4560
06:09:08,960 --> 06:09:12,680
That's why I have said three times, a moratorium.

4561
06:09:14,120 --> 06:09:19,900
So, we're trying, but coming up here and yelling,

4562
06:09:20,940 --> 06:09:23,360
recording us, like we're doing something wrong.

4563
06:09:24,920 --> 06:09:26,200
We're trying.

4564
06:09:28,320 --> 06:09:31,600
I don't know, I mean, you come up here and tell me,

4565
06:09:31,860 --> 06:09:36,060
what would you like to, what do you think weight should be done

4566
06:09:36,060 --> 06:09:38,180
to this non-developer?

4567
06:09:38,180 --> 06:09:44,060
And, and which still open to the public, is there anybody out there that hasn't spoken that would like to please serve?

4568
06:09:44,340 --> 06:09:45,700
Come speak, come to the microphone.

4569
06:09:54,820 --> 06:09:58,300
My name is David Littlefield, I live in the municipality floor.

4570
06:09:58,980 --> 06:10:04,420
I think that the board really needs to be working more with Swiss mud.

4571
06:10:05,000 --> 06:10:12,280
I realize that there's been bad feelings between the two boards in the past, but I think if you were working together

4572
06:10:12,280 --> 06:10:17,820
and all working towards the same goal, maybe something could be resolved.

4573
06:10:19,540 --> 06:10:20,260
Thank you.

4574
06:10:21,160 --> 06:10:25,760
I don't think that we, any of us here have any bad blood works with blood.

4575
06:10:26,100 --> 06:10:26,900
I really did.

4576
06:10:27,880 --> 06:10:29,020
I'm stuck in that.

4577
06:10:29,380 --> 06:10:29,460
Yes.

4578
06:10:29,460 --> 06:10:31,920
He's not here, but he's got some bad blood.

4579
06:10:32,180 --> 06:10:32,700
Yes.

4580
06:10:34,000 --> 06:10:34,740
Thank you, sir.

4581
06:10:35,140 --> 06:10:36,220
Anyone else?

4582
06:10:38,720 --> 06:10:39,540
Anyone else?

4583
06:10:45,130 --> 06:10:48,490
You've already spoken as there's somebody else that would like to speak.

4584
06:10:49,740 --> 06:10:51,200
for you.

4585
06:10:54,310 --> 06:10:59,730
You've come up here already. Thank you. Okay. I'm going to close the public comment.

4586
06:11:00,010 --> 06:11:03,190
Nobody else is coming forward. I could talk to you after the meeting.

4587
06:11:05,150 --> 06:11:07,510
Can I share? Yeah.

4588
06:11:09,690 --> 06:11:11,350
I had so many thoughts.

4589
06:11:12,630 --> 06:11:18,410
One was, I'm actually a little bit shocked. I did not know this was going on for that many years.

4590
06:11:18,410 --> 06:11:26,150
truly that's eye-opening but something the last female speaker said. I don't know that they can

4591
06:11:26,150 --> 06:11:34,250
hear you. Something the last female speaker said made me curious maybe Eric could help with this.

4592
06:11:35,990 --> 06:11:42,430
She said they're whatever straight they haven't even cut the street yet.

4593
06:11:42,430 --> 06:11:53,310
So it's minus in that village there were no streets if I'm correct and that although we

4594
06:11:53,310 --> 06:11:58,470
we have the easement for that and that they don't have permission to even do that.

4595
06:11:58,970 --> 06:11:59,590
Is that correct?

4596
06:11:59,670 --> 06:12:05,330
And if so are we able to block our easements?

4597
06:12:05,350 --> 06:12:11,950
I think she said they're advertising on a particular street which they haven't cut in yet.

4598
06:12:11,950 --> 06:12:20,890
I think that's what she said, and unfortunately, as Swift Mud found, when Swift Mud went out there,

4599
06:12:21,350 --> 06:12:28,430
they are doing this covertly. I don't know how they're doing it covertly, but they're

4600
06:12:28,430 --> 06:12:35,270
cutting in these streets by the dark of night or stealthily or something, so that whenever any of

4601
06:12:35,270 --> 06:12:41,010
our inspectors are out there or whatever Swift Mud wasn't able to catch them doing it, we haven't

4602
06:12:41,010 --> 06:12:47,290
able to catch them doing it except now that we're doing more enforcement. The letter was written

4603
06:12:47,290 --> 06:12:54,670
in 2021. I don't know what letter the woman was speaking of, but the letter from Swift mud to us

4604
06:12:54,670 --> 06:13:03,410
with the violation was September 7th of 2021. It wasn't as long ago as 17 or 18.

4605
06:13:04,430 --> 06:13:09,210
But we can't, I mean it's kind of like the whole idea of this is a criminal. It's not like

4606
06:13:09,210 --> 06:13:13,910
the sheriff's department and we can, you know, haul them, you know, pick them out of their

4607
06:13:13,910 --> 06:13:17,950
back home or whatever they're using. I mean, if our people are out there, we can tell them

4608
06:13:17,950 --> 06:13:24,490
to stop, but we can't use self-help methods or anything like that. The only way we could stop them

4609
06:13:24,490 --> 06:13:30,090
is by going to court and getting the court to give us some kind of an injunction and then the

4610
06:13:30,090 --> 06:13:36,090
same problem Swift Mud has is who do you sue? Because they're like the show game.

4611
06:13:37,490 --> 06:13:42,090
And I would be willing to vote, because I know we have the motion, but before you did

4612
06:13:42,090 --> 06:13:46,850
open to the public, I thought I saw Eric pop up, and if you had anything that you

4613
06:13:46,850 --> 06:13:50,270
would need to offer, I just didn't want to miss out on any information before we did

4614
06:13:50,270 --> 06:13:50,690
the vote.

4615
06:13:51,010 --> 06:13:51,830
I don't want to end.

4616
06:13:52,550 --> 06:13:57,210
And this was originally plated in the 70s, I believe, or 1970s, so it's been around

4617
06:13:57,210 --> 06:13:58,290
a long time.

4618
06:13:59,070 --> 06:14:04,330
But we had just recently caught them in the act, clearing the property with the code enforcement.

4619
06:14:04,330 --> 06:14:06,370
And that process is playing out.

4620
06:14:06,450 --> 06:14:09,330
You have to notice a violation in 30 days to respond.

4621
06:14:10,150 --> 06:14:12,850
And then if they fix it, then it's resolved.

4622
06:14:13,150 --> 06:14:16,910
And if they don't fix it, then you said a special master hearing.

4623
06:14:17,450 --> 06:14:18,530
So it takes time.

4624
06:14:18,930 --> 06:14:19,830
It's not a...

4625
06:14:19,830 --> 06:14:21,590
You catch them in the act and it stops.

4626
06:14:22,750 --> 06:14:24,310
You can notify them that they're in violation

4627
06:14:24,310 --> 06:14:25,830
and then the clock begins.

4628
06:14:26,110 --> 06:14:28,570
And it could be several months before they get to a special master.

4629
06:14:34,490 --> 06:14:36,370
You know what this sounds like to me.

4630
06:14:36,930 --> 06:14:39,030
You know how squatters know the system.

4631
06:14:39,030 --> 06:14:47,270
And they squat in the home and they know they've got a year before they're going to be a year free rent until they have to go to the next place in squat.

4632
06:14:47,890 --> 06:14:50,030
This is very much what this sounds like.

4633
06:14:50,170 --> 06:14:59,970
This person knows the law better than most of us in this room and they know how far they can push it.

4634
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:22,440
Until they go to the next new LLC and go on. So it's a difficult thing, but we do. We're going to move forward on this motion that we have today and hopefully we can get some answers. We've opened up to public comment. Is there any additional?

4635
06:15:22,440 --> 06:15:24,540
I just have one last thing.

4636
06:15:24,820 --> 06:15:25,780
I do.

4637
06:15:27,260 --> 06:15:28,300
Commissioner Davis.

4638
06:15:30,180 --> 06:15:33,500
Since I got yelled at, I think I need to be able to respond.

4639
06:15:35,840 --> 06:15:38,060
And I will keep it as brief as possible.

4640
06:15:38,360 --> 06:15:39,440
Frank, you're absolutely right.

4641
06:15:39,580 --> 06:15:43,200
It is the definition of insanity, but this is a 51 year old development.

4642
06:15:43,860 --> 06:15:45,500
And that's why we're in this pickle.

4643
06:15:46,400 --> 06:15:47,760
You don't have to worry about the new developments.

4644
06:15:50,540 --> 06:15:55,220
You, at several people, said it needs to be stopped tomorrow, the good news is, we're not

4645
06:15:55,220 --> 06:16:00,720
a banana republic in the United States, rules are here for a reason, it takes government

4646
06:16:00,720 --> 06:16:02,980
takes time.

4647
06:16:04,480 --> 06:16:12,180
Mr. Martin said it best when he said, nobody wants this headache and so you can see by my

4648
06:16:12,180 --> 06:16:16,840
expression and my reaction, I don't want this headache, this board doesn't want this

4649
06:16:16,840 --> 06:16:24,000
take trust me, I have spent so many hours on this in an increasing amount in the last two years.

4650
06:16:24,520 --> 06:16:32,540
Finally, this is a new board, the last board, and the prior administration basically said,

4651
06:16:32,800 --> 06:16:38,760
it's on them, it's buyers beware, we got nothing to do with it. Okay, so understand that I am

4652
06:16:38,760 --> 06:16:44,740
your commissioner, I represent you, and I have been working my tail off on this, so I don't

4653
06:16:44,740 --> 06:16:50,920
appreciate being yelled at for that effort, because I can just go, you know what? This is

4654
06:16:50,920 --> 06:16:56,420
buyer beware. You do wash my hands of it and I'm not doing it because I do care and I do

4655
06:16:56,420 --> 06:16:59,660
think you've been sold a bill of goods. So I'm doing well.

4656
06:17:02,140 --> 06:17:03,320
Thank you. Thank you.

4657
06:17:03,480 --> 06:17:04,040
Thank you. Mr. Baze,

4658
06:17:10,110 --> 06:17:18,960
a question since this all started back in the 30 or 70s. And

4659
06:17:18,960 --> 06:17:19,780
We

4660
06:17:24,680 --> 06:17:33,420
were not required to do roads, but now if we do roads, why are we under the standards,

4661
06:17:34,140 --> 06:17:41,680
current standards of swift mud, as opposed to ditch and swell because I think swift mud and their

4662
06:17:41,680 --> 06:17:47,120
requirements is what's making this project so much more expensive, but if it doesn't meet the

4663
06:17:47,120 --> 06:17:53,400
for what we do in present-day under the roads.

4664
06:17:53,880 --> 06:17:59,920
Why do we have to conform to the current requirements of swift men?

4665
06:18:01,400 --> 06:18:07,260
Anyone who's receiving a government permit has to comply with the regulations

4666
06:18:07,260 --> 06:18:10,920
that are in place at the time they're requesting the permit.

4667
06:18:10,920 --> 06:18:17,300
So, unfortunately, this development has set fallow for all these years, and the

4668
06:18:17,300 --> 06:18:21,080
permit would be applied for today, so we have to do current day standards.

4669
06:18:21,520 --> 06:18:27,980
I will say that when Phase I was done when Mr. Frank was here, he was able to work with

4670
06:18:27,980 --> 06:18:37,780
Swifma to get Swifma to agree to a lesser type of lesser system than was currently required.

4671
06:18:38,740 --> 06:18:43,980
in conversations with, I guess some of our folks have talked to some of

4672
06:18:43,980 --> 06:18:49,100
Swift mud folks and I don't know if there's that same attitude today to let

4673
06:18:49,100 --> 06:18:53,100
us do the lesser but I don't think we've ever asked and I think that might have

4674
06:18:53,100 --> 06:18:58,220
been along some of what Mr. Eastman was trying to accomplish but like I said I

4675
06:18:58,220 --> 06:19:05,060
think it got filtered unfortunately. So the reason is because it's being done

4676
06:19:05,060 --> 06:19:05,380
today.

4677
06:19:09,710 --> 06:19:14,230
So in addition to the motion on the floor, and I know you're supposed to have some

4678
06:19:14,230 --> 06:19:20,970
conversation, can we have that conversation with SwiftMud if we can find a less intensive

4679
06:19:23,250 --> 06:19:28,470
method for drainage and in

4680
06:19:30,870 --> 06:19:32,090
addition to that,

4681
06:19:34,590 --> 06:19:40,570
because of the bad actor building on all these

4682
06:19:40,570 --> 06:19:48,670
thoughts, can we at least send a letter and ask, are you willing to do something in

4683
06:19:48,670 --> 06:19:58,890
lieu of this? Or if we can't go that route, then find out if

4684
06:20:00,970 --> 06:20:02,930
if there's any legal

4685
06:20:02,930 --> 06:20:08,330
recourse to him for doing this? Send a letter to who's swith mud or the bad actor.

4686
06:20:08,330 --> 06:20:15,710
I would like to have conversation with Swiftman to find out if they would be amenable to a

4687
06:20:15,710 --> 06:20:23,810
lesser standard of drainage than what's currently required to try to bring the cost down.

4688
06:20:25,810 --> 06:20:30,970
I don't know if it's worth having the conversation with the bad actor to see if he's willing

4689
06:20:30,970 --> 06:20:35,170
to give up some land for this,

4690
06:20:37,710 --> 06:20:42,270
and if not, then can we have that conversation on a legal

4691
06:20:42,270 --> 06:20:46,770
basis to find out if we have any recourse for that?

4692
06:20:47,510 --> 06:20:54,430
So yes, we can talk to Swift Mud, but I believe earlier in your agenda, you approved a contract

4693
06:20:54,430 --> 06:21:01,930
for Burrell to do some additional studies to determine if you'll recall

4694
06:21:01,930 --> 06:21:09,810
the county engineer did the preliminary, and of course that seems to be the worst case scenario

4695
06:21:09,810 --> 06:21:13,990
and they've asked to hire Troy Burrell to do some more studies.

4696
06:21:14,170 --> 06:21:20,850
So that is being done to see if maybe we're estimating high and perhaps he can hold those

4697
06:21:20,850 --> 06:21:21,370
numbers in.

4698
06:21:21,430 --> 06:21:22,870
You guys did that already today.

4699
06:21:22,870 --> 06:21:28,230
So, I think that when you get that information, you'll be in a better position to approach

4700
06:21:28,230 --> 06:21:35,550
swift mud, because you'll know more about the topography, I think they said they're going

4701
06:21:35,550 --> 06:21:40,490
to do borings, or I know I heard a drone was going to do some mapping.

4702
06:21:40,750 --> 06:21:45,370
So I think you might be in a better position to bring that to swift mud to the engineers

4703
06:21:45,370 --> 06:21:52,410
at swift mud, not to the other folks at swift mud, and maybe they can help you.

4704
06:21:52,410 --> 06:21:53,170
So I agree.

4705
06:21:53,310 --> 06:21:57,430
I think we should approach with my, but I might suggest it might be better to wait until

4706
06:21:57,430 --> 06:21:58,530
we have that better information.

4707
06:21:59,170 --> 06:22:06,410
Then the second thing as to the bad actor, he and his lawyer are keenly following this

4708
06:22:06,410 --> 06:22:06,990
issue.

4709
06:22:07,630 --> 06:22:14,590
In fact, I know that our PIO got an email from them not too long ago, so they are following

4710
06:22:14,590 --> 06:22:22,830
And this, he has always offered to give some of his property at Fair Market value for drainage.

4711
06:22:23,090 --> 06:22:24,310
He's always offered that.

4712
06:22:24,430 --> 06:22:25,730
It's been from the very beginning.

4713
06:22:26,770 --> 06:22:32,770
Now, unfortunately, he probably doesn't own as many as he used to that might be the most

4714
06:22:32,770 --> 06:22:33,370
important ones.

4715
06:22:33,670 --> 06:22:38,770
And then my other question is, is, I mean, they do it.

4716
06:22:38,870 --> 06:22:44,570
I know they model water tables, what things, is there a way, some kind of a radar system

4717
06:22:44,570 --> 06:22:50,930
that we can fire over and and find these areas where they've actually buried this debris in the ground.

4718
06:22:53,900 --> 06:22:58,500
I don't know the answer to that, but I don't know that we have regulations that I don't know.

4719
06:22:58,760 --> 06:23:03,400
Are they allowed to bury debris? I don't. I don't even know if they're allowed.

4720
06:23:03,560 --> 06:23:08,340
They may be allowed to do that. I don't know. I don't think you can bury debris.

4721
06:23:08,520 --> 06:23:12,980
Trees or vegetate. I don't know. Does anybody know?

4722
06:23:12,980 --> 06:23:17,180
I can't speak to that on the spot, we have to go back and see what the regulations are.

4723
06:23:17,760 --> 06:23:18,280
Well,

4724
06:23:20,870 --> 06:23:28,350
aside from a moratorium, are we allowed to stop issuing permits tomorrow until we can have a moratorium put in place?

4725
06:23:28,350 --> 06:23:28,870
It's

4726
06:23:32,650 --> 06:23:33,570
the same thing.

4727
06:23:33,710 --> 06:23:38,570
I understand, but you're telling me a moratorium is going to take time.

4728
06:23:38,830 --> 06:23:42,130
I'm telling you, they are watching this and they don't care.

4729
06:23:42,130 --> 06:23:48,850
they're going to do whatever they want to do. And if we don't wrap this up in a bow, let him

4730
06:23:48,850 --> 06:23:54,350
bring him to the table. If he wants to sue us, good. Let's go to court. So in the past, Randy Oliver

4731
06:23:54,350 --> 06:24:01,690
issued a directive to staff not to issue any building permits. And I believe that was in place

4732
06:24:01,690 --> 06:24:03,390
for about three months.

4733
06:24:05,500 --> 06:24:12,260
During that time period, we got letters from the, we didn't get letters

4734
06:24:12,260 --> 06:24:16,960
from the quote unquote bad actor we got letters from the contractor who's out there.

4735
06:24:17,080 --> 06:24:23,160
We keep talking like there's only one person but there is a scheme of people and the contractor

4736
06:24:23,160 --> 06:24:29,000
had his lawyer write a letter and after about three months Randy re-lented and started

4737
06:24:29,000 --> 06:24:34,040
told the building official to start issuing but if the board knowing the risks involved

4738
06:24:34,040 --> 06:24:38,460
wants to tell the building department not to issue permits then the board can do that.

4739
06:24:38,460 --> 06:24:48,580
board is I hate to keep doing please I said I said that an hour go and yeah I said

4740
06:24:48,580 --> 06:24:54,560
an hour go that if there was ever a case that we needed the courts to decide it

4741
06:24:54,560 --> 06:25:02,080
was this so we have a motion the floor we have beat this to death we have a motion

4742
06:25:02,080 --> 06:25:06,980
by commissioner Davis a second by commissioner base we have public comment at this

4743
06:25:06,980 --> 06:25:09,220
I would like to call the question, please.

4744
06:25:10,440 --> 06:25:11,560
Nobody has anything else.

4745
06:25:11,700 --> 06:25:12,680
I'm begging you, please.

4746
06:25:13,160 --> 06:25:14,560
Can we vote on this?

4747
06:25:14,920 --> 06:25:15,660
Yes, I was just curious.

4748
06:25:16,960 --> 06:25:18,820
I was just curious if Commissioner Bays was going

4749
06:25:18,820 --> 06:25:20,720
to make another motion after this.

4750
06:25:22,680 --> 06:25:23,760
OK, let's get through this.

4751
06:25:23,820 --> 06:25:26,380
I want you to let's just do a consensus right now at this point.

4752
06:25:26,580 --> 06:25:29,000
I mean, what does everybody want to do at this point?

4753
06:25:29,120 --> 06:25:31,240
I don't want to throw something out there and retract it.

4754
06:25:31,260 --> 06:25:32,680
I mean, what do you feel like?

4755
06:25:32,920 --> 06:25:36,880
I mean, if the more a Tory I'm going to take a few months

4756
06:25:36,880 --> 06:25:43,660
we need a little time for the attorney and we want to not issue permits like we have already

4757
06:25:43,660 --> 06:25:51,080
done for a few months or you know wait for letters and then maybe we'll let maybe not. I mean

4758
06:25:51,080 --> 06:25:57,000
all that takes time so I mean I'd be okay with issuing no permits. Then I'll put that on the table

4759
06:25:57,000 --> 06:26:02,660
when you're done if you want or if you want to amend your motion. So it's like Swiftman has problems

4760
06:26:02,660 --> 06:26:10,420
issuing permits. So they don't issue permits. Well nobody's asked them to issue a permit.

4761
06:26:12,250 --> 06:26:13,170
I'm sorry, what?

4762
06:26:13,690 --> 06:26:14,910
Let's call the vote.

4763
06:26:15,790 --> 06:26:18,430
Do you want to amend it? No, it's up to motion.

4764
06:26:19,070 --> 06:26:23,010
Okay, so all in favor of the motion on the floor say aye.

4765
06:26:23,450 --> 06:26:28,110
Aye. Opposed say nay. Motion passes for zero.

4766
06:26:30,470 --> 06:26:35,870
I'd like to put a motion on the table that we stop. As of tomorrow morning we issue no permit.

4767
06:26:35,870 --> 06:26:37,450
for three months.

4768
06:26:37,650 --> 06:26:40,170
For Amber Nessville, it's four.

4769
06:26:40,330 --> 06:26:42,330
No new construction.

4770
06:26:42,870 --> 06:26:43,890
No new permits.

4771
06:26:43,950 --> 06:26:45,210
No new permits.

4772
06:26:45,690 --> 06:26:47,690
I have a motion by Commissioner Bays.

4773
06:26:48,410 --> 06:26:49,310
Did you second it?

4774
06:26:49,370 --> 06:26:50,190
I did.

4775
06:26:50,590 --> 06:26:51,710
Second by Commissioner Davis.

4776
06:26:51,910 --> 06:26:54,670
Is there any public comment on this new motion?

4777
06:26:55,170 --> 06:26:57,750
It's your chance to come up and talk and say what you want to say?

4778
06:26:58,430 --> 06:26:59,470
It's a new thing.

4779
06:27:02,270 --> 06:27:03,070
I mean we're here.

4780
06:27:03,310 --> 06:27:05,430
Let's just order pizza and let's just do it.

4781
06:27:05,530 --> 06:27:06,850
We've only been here since nine

4782
06:27:06,850 --> 06:27:13,930
on camera is very stressful. I have a severe migraine. First of all, I didn't mention that you all

4783
06:27:13,930 --> 06:27:19,770
were not here, so I don't know if you heard that or not. I do appreciate everything you all do,

4784
06:27:19,990 --> 06:27:27,050
but you have to understand our frustration just like yours. It's just that when repeatedly we've

4785
06:27:27,050 --> 06:27:33,630
been told, we can't hope permits, we can't do that. This has been going on now for two years,

4786
06:27:33,630 --> 06:27:39,530
had it stopped two years ago, maybe we didn't have to come up with 80 to 100,000, might have

4787
06:27:39,530 --> 06:27:41,970
been maybe 30 or 50, you know what I mean?

4788
06:27:42,830 --> 06:27:48,630
So the longer that this is delayed, the more expensive it is, I think you all agree with

4789
06:27:48,630 --> 06:27:48,930
that.

4790
06:27:49,210 --> 06:27:51,190
And I do appreciate what you're trying to do.

4791
06:27:51,390 --> 06:27:53,110
I just don't have an answer for you.

4792
06:27:53,690 --> 06:27:54,310
Madam Chair.

4793
06:27:54,310 --> 06:27:55,030
Thank you.

4794
06:27:56,850 --> 06:28:02,650
Would you all consider getting going together in your subdivision and getting your own legal,

4795
06:28:02,650 --> 06:28:07,650
So that we fight this together. I mean, there was a lie to you. We didn't.

4796
06:28:08,590 --> 06:28:11,450
Our hands are not. We didn't capture us for you.

4797
06:28:11,550 --> 06:28:16,330
They have been homeowners that have gone to legal console.

4798
06:28:16,930 --> 06:28:22,410
And unfortunately, we can't seem to get anyone in the wilderness to take the case.

4799
06:28:22,570 --> 06:28:27,070
So if you have someone who's willing to do that, give us a name.

4800
06:28:27,830 --> 06:28:27,830
Okay.

4801
06:28:30,560 --> 06:28:31,560
Thank you.

4802
06:28:35,690 --> 06:28:36,490
Bless you, Frank.

4803
06:28:36,490 --> 06:28:38,590
Thank you, Frank.

4804
06:28:39,870 --> 06:28:41,410
Anything anybody else?

4805
06:28:44,220 --> 06:28:44,680
Okay.

4806
06:28:45,400 --> 06:28:46,040
So we have a motion.

4807
06:28:46,720 --> 06:28:50,220
I'm going to close public comment.

4808
06:28:50,780 --> 06:28:52,840
The motion for by commissioner Bayes.

4809
06:28:53,060 --> 06:28:54,960
A second by commissioner Davis.

4810
06:28:55,120 --> 06:28:56,880
Is there any further board discussion?

4811
06:28:59,460 --> 06:29:00,020
I just a lord.

4812
06:29:00,400 --> 06:29:02,320
All in favor say aye.

4813
06:29:02,320 --> 06:29:02,820
Aye.

4814
06:29:03,300 --> 06:29:03,940
Opposed.

4815
06:29:04,200 --> 06:29:04,860
Say nay.

4816
06:29:06,060 --> 06:29:07,240
That passes for zero.

4817
06:29:07,900 --> 06:29:08,580
Thank you.

4818
06:29:08,760 --> 06:29:09,400
Thank you.

4819
06:29:09,580 --> 06:29:10,040
I hope that helps.

4820
06:29:10,040 --> 06:29:16,780
okay. I will give you a quarter if you can do your next agenda item in 25 words or less.

4821
06:29:19,850 --> 06:29:22,470
Am I allowed to pay a quarter to another commissioner? Is that?

4822
06:29:24,110 --> 06:29:24,790
Take it in a row.

4823
06:29:27,510 --> 06:29:32,890
Yes, I said this before. On the last time we voted on this that I wanted to

4824
06:29:32,890 --> 06:29:39,330
go see if Niko was worth my time to invest in going. I went in February. It was like being a

4825
06:29:39,330 --> 06:29:44,290
commissioner all over again and it is worth our time so I would like

4826
06:29:45,530 --> 06:29:55,560
permission to do so I'd make a motion that we approve item and to travel to

4827
06:29:55,560 --> 06:29:59,060
go for Holly Davis. I'll second that.

4828
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:02,140
Is there any public comment on travel?

4829
06:30:06,180 --> 06:30:07,720
It's not fun, it's all work.

4830
06:30:10,100 --> 06:30:13,720
Seeing no public comment, is there any board discussion?

4831
06:30:14,440 --> 06:30:22,180
My only question is, is it fall within our individual travel budget?

4832
06:30:25,880 --> 06:30:28,140
We'll have to figure that out on the back side.

4833
06:30:28,560 --> 06:30:33,540
Clearly, if I end up in the red, then I understand that it's on me.

4834
06:30:33,540 --> 06:30:39,640
I will also further say that I am going to Washington, D.C. on personal travel on my own personal

4835
06:30:39,640 --> 06:30:46,200
time very soon. So, if anyone wants me to do anything while I'm in D.C. at Congress,

4836
06:30:46,480 --> 06:30:53,640
I'm hoping to get in with Congressman Bellaracca. So, let's stop now. And that's all my

4837
06:30:53,640 --> 06:30:54,020
own done.

4838
06:30:54,500 --> 06:30:58,360
So, the question was, is it this would come out of your travel budget?

4839
06:31:00,280 --> 06:31:00,720
okay.

4840
06:31:03,140 --> 06:31:07,500
Any other questions? As long as it falls within your travel

4841
06:31:07,500 --> 06:31:12,840
budget, it falls outside of it and you want to pick it up. I'll get with that.

4842
06:31:13,620 --> 06:31:18,200
I missed your fin again. Sorry about that. I couldn't quite hear

4843
06:31:18,200 --> 06:31:22,740
Mr. Bayes in the bathroom, but were you asking if this exceeds the travel budget?

4844
06:31:22,980 --> 06:31:26,760
Is that what you were saying? I didn't hear the answer either. That was going to be my

4845
06:31:26,760 --> 06:31:33,140
is that if we each have our own travel budget and if you travel outside of the state then you

4846
06:31:33,140 --> 06:31:38,000
have to get permission and I sent my only issues. If it falls within your budget I'm fine with

4847
06:31:38,000 --> 06:31:45,440
it and if it's over and you still want to go then it's on your dime. I would agree with that.

4848
06:31:47,800 --> 06:31:53,400
Commissioner Davis. Just to clarify the reason that this was a walk on and it was very

4849
06:31:53,400 --> 06:32:00,160
tight timing is that the early bird deadline passed last week and so we needed to just get

4850
06:32:00,160 --> 06:32:06,480
this approved because we have a special AR for out-of-state travel. I haven't had time

4851
06:32:06,480 --> 06:32:10,480
to get with staff and try to figure out where we are with the budget and et cetera et cetera

4852
06:32:10,480 --> 06:32:18,580
but I have been asked to speak there so I am going to be there. And as speaker they usually pick up the

4853
06:32:19,480 --> 06:32:22,600
Doug has a question in for them on that.

4854
06:32:22,840 --> 06:32:24,120
Okay. Thank you.

4855
06:32:24,220 --> 06:32:26,140
This is a worst case scenario in other words.

4856
06:32:27,720 --> 06:32:29,460
That was actually going to be my point if you're

4857
06:32:29,460 --> 06:32:32,200
Speaker, why is this an issue to pay?

4858
06:32:32,940 --> 06:32:36,140
So, and just respectfully, I mean, you're a grown commissioner.

4859
06:32:37,260 --> 06:32:38,760
You should choose your own.

4860
06:32:39,300 --> 06:32:40,880
But, you know, when we talk about travel,

4861
06:32:41,280 --> 06:32:43,340
I just worry if you're outside of your budget,

4862
06:32:43,740 --> 06:32:47,780
could you be at places where the travel

4863
06:32:47,780 --> 06:32:53,900
wasn't so much like out of state to be more of a benefit to, you know, the board.

4864
06:32:54,620 --> 06:32:57,700
So, you know, if it was in state travel, obviously you could do a lot more of that and

4865
06:32:57,700 --> 06:33:02,040
have a lot more education and benefit that that would be it, but I agree with Commissioner

4866
06:33:02,040 --> 06:33:09,040
Bayes, if, you know, I'm hoping if you're speaking, they should honor you and be as I said

4867
06:33:09,040 --> 06:33:15,580
last time on the last time this was voted on, I travel extensively over the years for fun

4868
06:33:15,580 --> 06:33:23,280
And for my own work, and I'm used to doing that, but mostly for my own work, and I don't do these as junkets.

4869
06:33:23,680 --> 06:33:30,260
I would only invest my time to go there if it is good for the county, and it is non-stop work the whole time.

4870
06:33:31,360 --> 06:33:32,400
Thank you.

4871
06:33:32,900 --> 06:33:37,700
So, if there's no further questions, all in favor say aye.

4872
06:33:38,700 --> 06:33:41,660
Opposed say nay, S is 4-0.

4873
06:33:42,760 --> 06:33:43,880
Thank you.

4874
06:33:45,120 --> 06:33:46,840
Congratulations. You get to travel.

4875
06:33:48,940 --> 06:34:13,320
I, too, I'm, I'm the next O, O, one. I think that I'm actually outside of my travel budget. I spend a lot of my own money on travel. I, I think it's ridiculous that we have to ask for permission to go to these conferences, but I am, because I do have a budget. Why do I have to ask for permission?

4876
06:34:13,320 --> 06:34:16,380
but that's something you have to figure out.

4877
06:34:16,900 --> 06:34:19,740
Because I am a grown, blank commissioner.

4878
06:34:21,700 --> 06:34:23,320
And but I, this was incorrect.

4879
06:34:24,080 --> 06:34:27,060
I actually am using my own points for the airfare

4880
06:34:27,060 --> 06:34:28,760
and my own points for the hotel.

4881
06:34:29,320 --> 06:34:32,700
I just was one, you need to get permission

4882
06:34:32,700 --> 06:34:35,760
to go outside of the state, so I need that permission

4883
06:34:35,760 --> 06:34:40,960
and the registration fee can come out of my travel budget.

4884
06:34:40,960 --> 06:34:47,460
So, I'm asking that I get approval of this, a motion to approve.

4885
06:34:47,880 --> 06:34:48,380
Thank you.

4886
06:34:48,400 --> 06:34:48,700
Second.

4887
06:34:49,160 --> 06:34:50,700
Thank you, Commissioner Bays.

4888
06:34:51,000 --> 06:34:52,260
Thank you, Commissioner Davis.

4889
06:34:52,520 --> 06:34:54,760
Is there any public comment on my travel?

4890
06:34:55,900 --> 06:34:56,460
Thank you.

4891
06:34:56,920 --> 06:34:57,320
Seeing none.

4892
06:34:57,420 --> 06:34:58,880
Is there any further board comment?

4893
06:34:59,760 --> 06:35:01,260
All in favor say aye.

4894
06:35:01,800 --> 06:35:02,180
Opposed.

4895
06:35:02,380 --> 06:35:02,660
Say nay.

4896
06:35:02,700 --> 06:35:03,920
That passes four zero.

4897
06:35:04,160 --> 06:35:05,100
Thank you.

4898
06:35:05,940 --> 06:35:06,380
Okay.

4899
06:35:07,440 --> 06:35:09,260
And where are we at?

4900
06:35:09,260 --> 06:35:11,100
We have one more item.

4901
06:35:14,680 --> 06:35:18,340
Madam Chairman, Madam Chairman, Madam Chairman, Madam Chairman.

4902
06:35:18,400 --> 06:35:19,620
I called you here on her.

4903
06:35:20,480 --> 06:35:21,560
Thank you.

4904
06:35:23,400 --> 06:35:29,620
I just am asking for a motion of vote to ratify my signature on the engagement letter with

4905
06:35:29,620 --> 06:35:34,800
Shots and Bowen to defend the county in the boat ramp lawsuit.

4906
06:35:36,060 --> 06:35:44,520
very good I am looking for a group P1 I am looking for a second that a motion from Commissioner

4907
06:35:44,520 --> 06:35:55,360
Davis looking for a second I will second that I was waiting for a very public comment

4908
06:35:55,940 --> 06:35:58,700
Seeing none, is there any further board comment?

4909
06:35:59,840 --> 06:36:01,060
All in favor, say aye.

4910
06:36:02,060 --> 06:36:03,220
Opposed, say nay.

4911
06:36:03,580 --> 06:36:04,120
And wait.

4912
06:36:04,420 --> 06:36:05,800
We have three o'clock right now.

4913
06:36:06,300 --> 06:36:08,960
And commissioners, just so you know, I've already emailed

4914
06:36:08,960 --> 06:36:13,140
neighbors, Giblin, and when I get that retainer letter, I'll sign it

4915
06:36:13,140 --> 06:36:15,600
and bring it to you just like we did here.

4916
06:36:16,000 --> 06:36:16,840
Thank you.

4917
06:36:17,560 --> 06:36:17,900
OK.

4918
06:36:18,500 --> 06:36:21,560
At this time, I have our final open to the public, Frank.

4919
06:36:21,960 --> 06:36:22,780
Got anything to say?

4920
06:36:22,940 --> 06:36:23,960
Final open to the public.

4921
06:36:23,960 --> 06:36:27,380
What a great job we're doing, how hard we work,

4922
06:36:29,930 --> 06:36:31,210
and that we care about you.

4923
06:36:34,440 --> 06:36:37,640
I actually enjoy coming in here with these things.

4924
06:36:37,880 --> 06:36:43,060
I actually enjoy you people and appreciate the effort that you put out.

4925
06:36:43,780 --> 06:36:50,560
And I do have one little thing that relates back to your zoning.

4926
06:36:51,060 --> 06:36:54,540
I remember hearing the man say, that's $100 fine.

4927
06:36:54,540 --> 06:37:00,000
And the board could turn around and say, the second fine is five hundred and a third

4928
06:37:00,000 --> 06:37:06,800
fine is a thousand, I mean you could, you know, penalize these people that don't comply

4929
06:37:06,800 --> 06:37:12,380
with different zoning problems, you know, just like they do it elsewhere, I mean, you know,

4930
06:37:13,020 --> 06:37:14,240
just a thought.

4931
06:37:14,620 --> 06:37:15,180
Thank you.

4932
06:37:16,220 --> 06:37:16,940
Thank you.

4933
06:37:17,580 --> 06:37:24,520
Any other public comment, I'm going to close that public portion of the

4934
06:37:24,520 --> 06:37:32,220
comments and our upcoming meetings are May 11 which will be a Thursday at 1 p.m. here.

4935
06:37:33,080 --> 06:37:40,140
May 23, 2023 at 1 p.m. in this room and that is a regular schedule to say meetings

4936
06:37:40,140 --> 06:37:47,140
and then a regular meeting June 6, 2023 at 1 p.m. right here in this room. We have upcoming work

4937
06:37:47,140 --> 06:38:00,180
We have a pay and class study workshop May 11, 10 a.m. I suggest on May 11 that we all pack our lunches and wear comfy clothes because it's going to be a long one.

4938
06:38:01,640 --> 06:38:07,760
And we have that's May 11 that 10 a.m. for the paying class study. Then we have a workshop for the airports.

4939
06:38:07,760 --> 06:38:14,180
Christopher and Amberness Tuesday June 6, 2023 at 9 a.m. in this room. We have a strategic planning

4940
06:38:14,180 --> 06:38:24,400
retreat, which I believe we have to reschedule because we're signed up for DC and you might

4941
06:38:24,400 --> 06:38:25,620
not have a quorum.

4942
06:38:29,190 --> 06:38:32,830
Did I say DC, Texas? I do not know where I'm going.

4943
06:38:39,410 --> 06:38:41,490
Okay, so July 19th, just put

4944
06:38:41,490 --> 06:38:46,450
that out 9 a.m. here in this room, then we have a preliminary budget hearing Wednesday

4945
06:38:46,450 --> 06:38:54,710
July 26, 2023, right here in this room, and it doesn't say the time because the governing

4946
06:38:54,710 --> 06:39:00,350
body of special library districts at 8.30 a.m. fire protections, special districts

4947
06:39:00,350 --> 06:39:09,690
at 8.45, and then the BOCC is 9 a.m. so we start at 8.30 on July 26, and then we have

4948
06:39:09,690 --> 06:39:19,870
tentative budget hearing September 7th, 2023 at 501 PM, right here in this room, and then the final budget hearing is Tuesday, September 26, 501 PM.

4949
06:39:22,290 --> 06:39:26,250
And I'm going to be public here, Chairman. Chairman, I think we need to get Commissioner Bases vote.

4950
06:39:26,250 --> 06:39:33,930
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

4951
06:39:33,930 --> 06:39:44,190
is a four-o vote. And it is 736 and I am going to adjourn this meeting. Thank you and thank

4952
06:39:44,190 --> 06:39:48,890
you for your time, ladies. Thank you staff that stuff around.