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can you guys hear me okay great welcome
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EXC don't feel bad I just can't

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talk absolutely um we're gonna have a
pledge and prayer first to hold the

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meeting and then we'll do
introductions uh

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um so we asked Am Blake shead
us followed

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by United States of
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America na
indivisible with liy and justice for all

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okay so I'll make a quick introduction
my left your right on the end is

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myiss is Mike Blake I'm the chair of the
County Commission to my right is B

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cousins county commissioner and our
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cler
John John

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wer I didn't know if I was going to be
able to get it out or not like come on

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boys okay so uh first of all tonight um
for anyone that wants uh wants to make

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any comment there is a laptop in the
back we ask that you go uh if you

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haven't already uh sign into that stop
for comment that's we're going to uh

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pull from that list to hear public
comment tonight so we're a little bit

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more
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um back by the back door
um I'm going to start out tonight

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basically by
reading

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uh oh basically just just a statement
that we are uh required read by law it

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will hopefully explain a few things as
some details in it

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ollowing

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open
com rules to that we get to that point

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uh and then we will answer questions
tonight we're not taking any action on

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this this is simply a public hearing um
the uh

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we'll will'll finish up the process and
this will be an action item on the

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regular number
one iron county is intending to increase

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the general fund property tax rate doll
amount of increase per year excuse me

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per year will be $1.2 million
the purpose of the proposed increase is

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due to the growing community and the
need to enhance and expand essential

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services to support the safety wellbeing
and quality of life for all residents

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first with our population steadily
increasing there is a greater demand for

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public service including law enforcement
and legal services second inflation has

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significantly impacted operational costs
across the board from Personnel to

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equipment and insurance the last time
Iron County did a tax increase the

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general CL was in
2003 in order to maintain and improve

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the quality of services we provide is
necessary to adjust this funding source

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the approximate percentage of increase
on County general fund tax rate is

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estimated
19.5% this is only on the county portion

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of property taxes in relation to
property taxes as a whole this is about

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two this is about a 2%
increase the tax on a personal residence

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valued at
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that's the median house price in iron
count would increase by

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$35.60 per year for

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$2.97 so uh we

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open first

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how dare you how dare you

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try now we havex public hearing tonight
we Friday night 6m

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hour was that on
purpose trying to sneak things

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by count
res your last how dare you because your

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last raise taxes negative impa on our

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school right

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before mail out
General being raised trying to

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school students

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of traed the educational interest of our
students in school or not only prison

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but the excuse Haven had increase
years I've been retired for more than 10

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I don't get an increase at all I can't
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ask um and with the inflation mention
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cost I have to make adjustments in my
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sp so my question to you when are you
going to start living

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withs in this County
all over taxed

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overed and you guys are over spending
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now we got the sales tax increas only
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this I'm G ask everybody to hold their
Applause both on either side oh listen

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to this is we I

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forgot all right

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so next but I I told you that I agre
that I would lay out the ground rules

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and I
forgot each speaker is limited to two

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minutes please don't repeat what others
have said please hold your applause on

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both sides until the end of public
comments uh what's to be said is to be

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directed to the commission without
attacks on other people's character

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those are the general rules that we have
for all our public hearings and those

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are the rules that I'm going to ask you
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to so moving on

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yes we're gonna so you can

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ask no we we'll do our best to answer
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sometimes sometimes we write down
questions and hold them till the end and

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answer them but we'll do our best to
answer questions as we

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yeah so
in government we're only allowed to have

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so much money in savings can't ra taxes
so we have so much

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money we have

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enough yeah we try to

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but we try to stay that range not too

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high pretty close yeah some years we'll
we'll use some of our savings and some

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years We'll add to that savings we also
have a capital projects fund where we

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put money aside for big projects that
come up say one of the buildings Remodel

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no absolutely not and and well sure
there are programs through our H office

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treasur office un a to make their their
property tax payments their our

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programs uh to help that

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why
say we do everything we can to work for

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those cases there are programs that are
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place

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place the office is well

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brother

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sometimes fix fix

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problem who's the next

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famously called
commissars remember

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that ever since I got up here and spoke
out against the

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jail I've been hassled by code
enforcement and pulled over excessive

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amount of times
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I tell you what I don't like your rules
man because you guys forget about the

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Constitution people have a right to say
what they want to say it doesn't fall in

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line kissing your butts like I know you
want used to Dave I'm gonna ask you to

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sit down this doesn't have anything to
do with the first am right to say what

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the hell have a First Amendment right we
also this is a public meeting you're

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under the Constitution sir D no
if you don't get to make rules that

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violate the constitutional rights of
everybody in here I will call of course

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you
will of course you will because you are

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law enforcement why don't you call code
enforcement on me

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again huh da this is outside the
parameters of the public hearing I'm

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working on a federal lawsuit against
these folks you'll be served

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soon
awesome okay

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speaker is
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people home tax

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not almost 3% more now my retirement has
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up I've been retired 41 years

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I'm kill us espe lot of been
retired amount of time

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so I'm confused I spent a lot of years
in the military serving this country and

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all
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the next speaker

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is the question that I don't

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this is a little
comp C clean up

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my so the way that so so first of all
Iron County collects the taxes only our

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portion of property tax is about 10%
rest of the school districts here City

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municipalities water
consy so the way that it works the IR

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county is a lot of a certain amount of
money through taxes so as propery values

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go up tax rates actually decrease so
even though the value else go the am

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count takes in is the

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same I mean it's it's but basically as

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as hous vales of houses go which is
exponential property tax rates actually

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decrease which keeps us the same amount
of money

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coming when those property values go up
we don't get more money the only money

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that we get that comes in is on New
Growth and just for for instance our our

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Revenue increase in New Growth this year
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$200,000 new grow that we that we get as
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that has that's I that covers roads that
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AG that new grow we get that
$200,000 to just put that in perspective

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uh that would only hire one and a half
police that wouldn't buy a new piece

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what's it's I mean it's

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just right so I actually have at the end
of this I figur there be questions on

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this I actually have a few slides to go
through after this to show the history

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of the tax rate and then what happens
when values change and how that affects

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taxes so I have
that the next speaker is Mrs

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my question

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why arees charged up front a high
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cover

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think respons

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yeah so unfortunately we can't charge
the higher tax rate for certain people

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or certain buildings but when they do
build a new building that is when we do

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get new
property tax that mik was referring to

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so like he said this year our new growth
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$145,000 in our general fund from new
properties being built and so they'll

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start paying property taxes but we can't
charge them extra in the first year they

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they pay the same property factur as
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else Char
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rules and the
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un does kind
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happens cities and also appropriated
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more
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so you bring up a good point with
building permits so we do have building

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permit fees I mean there there are the
we can't charge an initial like moving

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moving in tax but there are building
uh those type of things and that really

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does help
offset that does bring Revenue into the

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county so that we're not so reliant on
just property tax property tax is one

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Revenue stream but we do get we do get
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didn't we would we wouldn't be able to
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um there are so many different funds
there's there's certain parameters on

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different funds of where that money can
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spent um for instance you know there's a
certain of money that can only be spent

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on public sa whether it be fire or
police um there's a certain percentage

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of money that can only be spent for
assessing and

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collecting we do bring fees we bring in
recording fees we bring in uh building

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permit fees uh
without those things we wouldn't be able

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to function so the you know the increase
to property tax is is specific and I'll

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tell you where that money's
go specifically it's going to go uh so

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that we can give our employees that we
can continue to pay our employees and

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continue offer health
insurance that's where this increase is

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going incre is solely

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going we're looking at a very small cost
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Liv increase for employees this year
that's uh numerous percentage points

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below the national average for cost of
living but it's what we can

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afford our employees are citizens as
well without them the county doesn't run

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and if we don't pay them a living wage
and that's my point

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I'm of living Cedar City than it

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is Washington all these
other

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stes people have a lot of money and want
to relocate here it's increasing the

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cost of living people already live
here is there not some way we can

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require them

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the same property
tax they're adding exponentially to the

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demand upon the services and
infrastructure

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there's got to be some kind of equable
way to take care of the people

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as
family land ownership go back to

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and started increasing recently

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possible

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what

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no I just you know we've I've been in
the commission coming up on eight

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years we've never discussed
the property tax increase honestly until

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last
year we've cut and cut and

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scried for the you know 2003 it's been
21 years since since there was an

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increase to this p uh the only reason
we're here tonight is because we're over

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a barrel but there is no more to come
with the growth with the growth of the

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county with our responsibility as
Government to to provide

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Services we we

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stretched there there is nowhere else
to so each of us Commissioners have

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duties in
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department just for instance one of my
assignments is

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Defenders

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attorney Prov
and just just one example but they so

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busy that one of the judges said look
you need

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to you need to hire
another people and attor you know we

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p3,000 a year allow
to that attor have a lot of

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that's just one example is is with our
County growing we have to have

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expenses
graice

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gas I've ran r

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years interesting we had a contractor
call the other day and said hey you

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build a house person
our house

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201 and I back records and on on

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almost, son just W up exactly exactly

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everything so when we have
Labor and we and we have excellent

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employees we we have
ra and and when we have

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have increased labor and materials you
have in the Count's business we bu I

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suppose this

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gentlem pick up I guess we could try
some but but I think Moz and I think

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Rocky Ridge I think some of these
companies that on that as their

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probably having something to about that
so um to buy a road Raider in our in our

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land in our road department is twice as
much

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asce so
um when I was

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run the county ands we can't
do and I don't welcome anybody in this

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room uh m m terms will be up in two
years I may run get I don't Mike's to

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Doone of my business but any of you guys
in this room are more than welcome to

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file and run as commission any one of
you fol because I'm telling you right

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now it's not this is this is the worst
part of I've uh I've been public service

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14 years and until we started talking
about jail we've been many

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years

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never we have we the
Utah um they came out and gave we

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struggled to there was a
it's a little better now but there was a

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time that we really struggled with
keeping sh

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de and and we still struggle
with our jail staff to our jail and

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we're down right and because we're down
five employees we have find other

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employees fill shs
over and and

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so it was two years ago I think the
state of Utah raised the hyri patrol

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rate pay by $8 an hour what do you think
happened they did that every one of

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every one of our
deputies iron Washington County they

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want to be IR make an hour more what do
we do Washington county is also G for

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that same wage so we have lost quite a
few of our people to them so we're

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competing with all of these
inflationary factors we don't know what

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to do I mean we just don't know
um we we still have to get up every

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morning
while we have to chip every road every

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Road in this
count has to be seven years so you guys

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I'm sure a lot of you don't what that
is you put you put oil oil down you put

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chip down you put and that that saves
from wearing out if you don't do that

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the roads are going to fall apart and
it's extremely expensive

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and so and those chips are twice the
cost they used to be the oil twice the

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cost lab twice the cost and so we have
the same guys and now we have all

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these we have the same 20 guys that we
had 20 years

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ago so we're running the county we're
still running the county

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at5 I'm open for suggestions I don't
know what to do

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Services would you be will

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to
don't

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and we we took over the
fa and and that help the evance because

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they rant that that so perin was just
going to close it up didn't want to to

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put the money for for it and it was kind
of an odd situation because the

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fairgrounds was um peran it was the city
and then the county of course had the

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had the fair it's County Fair and and I
think it's important for the county to

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have a fair to come together we could
eliminate that um we took that over and

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it has been more money um to run the
fairgrounds because we're paying all the

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expenses but we went in and cleaned it
up and

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and my husband and I and others help do
those

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fences for free we every stick of that
was donated because I knew we didn't

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have the money to do that so all that
those fences and all the wheels and all

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of that were donated Frank Nick donated
all of that

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and we weld it for a month straight and
then put all of that up road department

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did come in and help

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us but I just think it's really
important to have a fair but if we can't

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afford to we

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won't plan
oh I think I think you're probably

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talking about planning or so it's just
been Willy Milly put together when when

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perin didn't have the Monies to to do
that and so it it's just been kind of

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thrown together so so we felt like it
was really important before we did any

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more uh projects on that or anything to
because there is money we have spent you

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know monies for from the tourism dollars
that we can spend on that not out of the

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general fund tourism dollars that we
have spend on that that that we've been

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able to do some
improvements and um so so that you know

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that's been a really good thing but but
we felt like we needed to back up and

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plan what what it's going to actually
look like we've never done that and so

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the county is going to do put out RFP to
be able to plan what a master plan on

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the fairgrounds what it would look like
not not in the next few years unless we

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have a big boom which I you know I would
love that

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but it's been really a fun project to
work on that but we like I said we've

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never used the
general couple other things I'd like to

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mention

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conru our senior center was a lot of

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in cont that buil dou of our

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street I'm not sure why we

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own I think

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but anyway we sold that building we
desperately needed more room for our

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road shop to work on their equipment
when they have to go down in the middle

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of the night their trucks are cold and
got II and and they have to

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come it's nice to have facility they
trucks C and so we built a new road

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building and we buil that bu
875,000 you bu

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that and that's how

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Department workers in the RO Department
the work in the count and

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we so those are just some examples
things we've done um we have beenal

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I equip whatever I can one of my ass is
flooding in the we'

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had

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decied remember that about 3:00
morning that channel

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ands

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and and we have aart we have we have a
fulltime

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operator we
hav years and we have

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so anyway we we have him work fulltime
cleaning channels so we don't know these

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are so they do
PR but it jump the bank on that

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subis they

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we didn't have
to we and so there's just lots of there

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lots of things you guys we have toay for
this count

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and buses you know that

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for this year

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my name's Robert comto I'm in the same
boat as a lot of these folks I'm just at

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the bottom my taxes gone 30 40% in two
years two years and California did watch

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in Implement an exitx which isn't fair
to me because I've spent literally at

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least
$100,000 so I'm supporting the community

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and I feel I feel your pain just like
just like you folks and and honestly you

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might not like this but I don't mind
this what I mind is the $229 we just got

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charged for the school board a couple
months ago and I thought it was unfair

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that they had students coming up and
saying we need a bigger gy we need a

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bigger dance well they're they're
students they want everything for free I

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want pre too they don't have I don't
think they should have a voice because

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they're not taxpayers but we're not
we're not I

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understand here's my here's my point
here's my

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point these folks all these folks here
do you look at your total tax bill you

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don't just say hey it only went up $2 no
we look at our total tax bill and mine's

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going up 2300 a year okay so I've gone
from 15 to close to 3,000

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so I'm not far behind you folks okay and
people not everybody from

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California is down I'm retired too I
want to fix

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thec and I'm I'm not getting more unless
my investments which they're going to

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grow with President Trump things are
going to get better under President

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Trump we were better off so I'm not down
on this one I'm just down on the two or

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three that we've had this year so

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we're going to catch up to you see in
California we have 2% every six

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month I'm telling you right now I st an
expensive house in California it won't

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be long before my taxes will surpass
what I was pay CN thank you for list let

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me we're good John Let's Get Back on TR

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Sten
stepen oh he's

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[Music]

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I moved here from
California I came up here every since

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so ridiculously
expensive that I came I did well years I

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did as St I bring in
[Music]

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44,400 with my wife and I'm permanently
disabled I'm 69 years old my lifespan is

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very
Li and also I should take

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b as
well not drink

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and the announc I get so Security in my
retirement I apply for Discount the same

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told par I made $400 too
much at what point I have never had

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children my wife and I
work never had a single child and at the

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am and I
understand to support all children

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but there's a lot of things you
cut that

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aren't schools want more security it's
not stopping the

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shs what's going on with Society why are
we not looking these things didn't

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happen occasionally somebody in the next
town get cut the night that's it it's

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people that's
allow you can't reprimand you can't

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touch them verbally or physically and
now the Big C on TV is putting in

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isolation
rooms what are the school supposed to do

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how do you stop where are we failing as
a people if we become more and

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more technically Advanced and we're
regressing back

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to I don't understand that I also don't
understand why you guys can't see the

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people onit in they're going their
houses where they going to live be B

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us we keep wan to grow the city I know
GRE the ideology that he was going

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to gr with maximum potential Main Street
we don't have

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infrastructure where's the money going
to come from when they meet new

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sanitation where's the money going to
come from we may need more water we

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bought $30 million this last year

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a that has been gone
was years for the last 3 OD

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years people need to look at me control
our expansion people want to move here

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well then we need more jails we need
more police officers we don't have what

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we need right
now and you saw you have about one the

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jail I remember all four
rooms I would

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today when at the hospital this
AR about this meeting tonight why

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published if well probably
people well there was a notice mail to

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every property owner with their property
tax bill as well I think someone someone

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had a yellow paper when they brought up
yeah right there that was M with all

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property tax bills
okay

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I

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back because buy
T I have with took great job

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this

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$14,900 I have
expens I don't I can't reply for because

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I $400 too much where am I supposed to
turn I have

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to I can't just ask some else to
I'm you guys are asking this for

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19

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inrease in the school

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easy you keep hearing about
shootings why are we not teaching

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children you can't spank a child you
can't repr that's

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what I am

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very okay okay thank you very much and
thank you for your time thank you sir

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okay then fin my
theol

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61% the school get
61% okay my wife work to the school

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she's a school teacher for 25 years in
California our schools I'm sorry they're

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pathetic most of the kids are third
grade reading level I'm talking about

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high school and there is no discipline
they have what do they have coaches my

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wife has been taught self-defense

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self-defense not if but when a student
abuses her or attacks

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him
sorry schools are fail here

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in Mike ke

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so what is your market

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value okay so your tax increase will L
what that is that's that's

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your home

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[Music]

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is know

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that's the last one go

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the um

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I'll answer some
questions a couple questions on um

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property values going up and things I I
prepared a

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few slides to explain that that helps da
could you that

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slide is that I mean a lot of everyone
knows home values nearly doubled the

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last four or five years and so everyone
thinks or assumes oh my value is going

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way up I'm paying way more taxes where's
the money going lot people ask that so

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if you could go to the next slide this
shows the iron C so the general fund tax

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rate over the last 20 years so back to
2003 so every year the tax rate will

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change depending on if values go up or
down if values go up the tax rate goes

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down so if you look at the start which
was

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2003 um the tax rate was coming down and
values were going up well when 2008 hit

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crash happened home values went down
right so that that increase you can see

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is right after 2008 you can see the tax
rate going back up because values were

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going down so and then
it abely

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oh I got some more slides
so yeah so so the last few years you can

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see the tax rates been going down down
down we're probably at record low tax

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rates right now because we're at record
high values

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clarify yeah this
is so if if there was a tax increase

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then the very last dot like say this
year with the tax increase then it would

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be a little bit higher than
what it is go to the next

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slide yes

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[Music]
yes the

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rate oh the dollar amounts okay not the
tax

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rate
okay okay

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this this will explain that too so yeah
the tax rate is going down so the

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struggle is it feels just a little bit
like Voodoo but there's it's like

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proportional there reverse proportional
things so Mrs we get there this but it

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is yeah okay so so this is the first of
three slides so we'll say this is year

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one in year one we have three homes in
this town so one's Valu at 100,000 one

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01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:36,799
110 ,000 and
120,000 so the total value is 330,000

466
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:42,960
and this town needs $1,000 to operate
okay so to figure the tax rate you take

467
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:49,640
the $1,000 that they need divided by the
total value in that P is 330,000 so the

468
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:56,480
rate is
3% so each home you take the 100,000 on

469
01:04:53,839 --> 01:05:02,839
the first home Times by the tax
rate3 that house is going to pay

470
01:04:59,799 --> 01:05:10,279
$33 next home's going to pay
333 363 because it's valued at

471
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:15,279
120,000 and that makes up the total
th000 that goes to the city and now

472
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:23,480
let's go to the next slide this let's go
to year two in year two let's say every

473
01:05:19,279 --> 01:05:30,440
home went up by 5% 5% increase look at
the tax rate it went down from3 to. 29

474
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:36,160
so every home is still paying the same
amount of

475
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:44,640
taxes same ,000 this town still gets
$1,000 and now let's go to year

476
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:49,240
three okay this year values go up again
first two homes go up by 5% the third

477
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:57,520
home goes up by
10% so the tax rate dropped from. 29 to.

478
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:02,839
27 now the first two homes they're
paying less money than they were the

479
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:08,000
first year the first two years the third
home is paying more money because it

480
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:15,279
went up by
10% but the average in increase in that

481
01:06:11,279 --> 01:06:22,160
town was about a 7% value
increase so since the first two

482
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:26,880
homes went up by less than the average
increase now they're paying less than

483
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:32,000
they did the year before for the town's
still getting the same th000 they're

484
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:40,319
just getting more from this home and
less from those homes okay so remember

485
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,319
that any questions right now

486
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:19,640
so that would be the assessor office
they're the ones that value all the

487
01:07:16,359 --> 01:07:25,680
homes or businesses in the county okay
so they that change in value say your

488
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:30,799
home was worth 300,000 three years ago
now it's worth

489
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:34,680
400,000 that varies on the market so
they would change that value the

490
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:47,920
sessor if we're appreciating every year
um was there an error and did I overpay

491
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,920
last year was I

492
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:56,200
overvalued so I not sure what your value
was but you can check that with the

493
01:07:53,720 --> 01:08:00,480
assessor's office you
okay so I mean your value will

494
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:26,759
change so so on your on your
home do you I mean it's everyone can

495
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:32,600
contest their value we send out a notice
in July saying your value is 300,000

496
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:37,600
this year if you think that's too high
you can appeal it we have a we hire a

497
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:42,480
third party hearing officer that will
come in look at your home your evidence

498
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:47,279
of why you think it's too high and then
they can lower that value so that's what

499
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,279
you would have had to

500
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:52,159
do

501
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:59,159
okay okay I can speak that like before I
was the clerk I work in the reporter's

502
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:02,719
office which works with the assessor's
office the assessor's office has the

503
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:07,359
responsibility to Value each property
year about 55,000 Parcels I don't know

504
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:13,799
how many structures when I was there was
41,000 um but there are like when you

505
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:19,199
have your neighbor sell their homes
those get into the MLS the values get

506
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:23,040
set and then what Mass raising is
different like if you a house you figure

507
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:29,080
out what that house is worth right how
many kitchens how many whatever and um

508
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:35,520
but then in Mass prais you have tax like
valuation areas so like if you live up

509
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:40,920
by the C City Temple your value been way
right but if you live kind of where I

510
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:45,839
live it
hasn't not quite in dog town but I my

511
01:09:43,719 --> 01:09:51,319
grandpa was born in dog town but but the
but but those areas they move and so

512
01:09:48,839 --> 01:09:55,840
there's not enough manpower to appraise
every property every year and

513
01:09:53,440 --> 01:10:00,560
commissioner pres is right about every
five years they revalue each property

514
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:04,640
but then your property resides a
taxation area and so they fluctuate so

515
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:08,239
that might have been part of it and then
the explanation I know that they did

516
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:12,640
kind of change
their their approach this year they've

517
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:18,280
spoken about that commission they're not
here to defend themselves that's talk

518
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:21,280
about principles strokes but anyway
taxation

519
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:40,640
so that's an interesting challenge
because yeah so the answer is maybe you

520
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:45,080
know no
well I

521
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:48,199
know you know commissioner C says
something I

522
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,760
think and that is you know you want to
move here then close the door behind you

523
01:10:52,960 --> 01:11:00,120
and we've been seeing this gr for a long
time in high school uh and so you know

524
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,920
my parents bought their home it was
41,000 I bought my first home that was

525
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:08,679
85,000 and then I sold it to my tenant
and it paid off both our houses I mean

526
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:14,199
it's just silly it's like funny money at
some point but but that inflation like

527
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:17,920
we have to respect property rights which
means they can people can come in if

528
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:26,080
there's money coming from somewhere else
they can build and they can build it up

529
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:30,640
and we are affected by increases values
yeah watch your watch your value really

530
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:36,239
close when you get the notice the short
answer is yes you know I mean you want

531
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,080
to have you want to make sure that you
are valued correctly and if you feel

532
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:43,120
like you're not then there is that
process Equalization

533
01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:48,969
[Music]

534
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:59,159
this okay so yeah you can see how the
change in value the the town is getting

535
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:04,440
the same thousand but it shifts house to
house so every year the tax rate will

536
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:08,600
change and the amount you pay to the
town is going to change depending on

537
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:15,719
what your home does versus everyone
else's home next

538
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:22,800
slide okay so looking at properties in
Iron County we have all of the homes and

539
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:29,000
Commercial businesses that are assessed
by the Iron County Assessor office there

540
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:35,800
are also properties like utility
companies the railroad mines sand and

541
01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:41,040
gravel BS that are assessed by the state
the airlines so they also all pay

542
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:46,679
property taxes what's happened over the
last couple of years is their values

543
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:52,920
haven't really changed or they've gone
down where our home values have gone way

544
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:57,600
up so it's kind of hard to see but
looking at the second graph and this

545
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:03,560
came directly from the state showing
Iron County the blue portion is

546
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:09,120
Residential Properties and the orange
portion is personal properties which is

547
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:13,960
assessed by the the local assessor's
office so this the gray and the yellow

548
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:21,360
portions at the top are what are
assessed by the state so in

549
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:27,000
2014 there's a 12% and 3% between
utility companies and natural resources

550
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:32,560
so 15 % they were paying
15% of the total taxes in Iron County

551
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:39,159
now the
2024 they're only paying 6% of the total

552
01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:45,639
taxes in our County so what what that's
causing is a tax

553
01:13:41,639 --> 01:13:51,199
shift so there's not more money coming
in from taxes it's just that their

554
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:56,120
values aren't going up like home values
so homeowners are paying more taxes and

555
01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:03,960
these business businesses that used to
pay 12 15% of the total taxes they're

556
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:08,800
only paying 6% now so we're paying a lot
more they're paying a lot less and I

557
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:15,239
thought yeah so the essentially assess
companies like Dominion Energy

558
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:21,719
mcif all these companies the state
assesses we don't ass the values they

559
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:25,560
do I don't know how to say this nice but
they figured out that they can hire a

560
01:14:23,719 --> 01:14:31,840
lot of attorneys
M obvious and they can try get their

561
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:36,199
values down and and we have we have one
attorney in the county we pay hundreds

562
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:40,880
of thousands of dollars to fight these
big corporations to try to keep their

563
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:48,320
values where they should be but it's a
Conant ble losing that because it's a

564
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:50,800
tax from from like say they used to pay
a lot of

565
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,960
tax yeah so so
doesn't

566
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:03,440
change the cost goes up because we got
make

567
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:10,600
difference that's why I mean a lot of
you said I'm paying three four $500 more

568
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:16,400
than it was three years ago this is a
lot of reason why you go to the next

569
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,400
slide

570
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:34,639
that would you come

571
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:47,080
to a little out of control I'm Stephanie
and I just I just wanted to remind

572
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:52,040
everyone there has been this enormous
shift of tax burden but as it's gone

573
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,000
from these companies they're prob traed
companies they're the ones that we have

574
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:59,880
our inv
so they're feeling a fiduciary

575
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:06,159
responsibility to
us but yet we're ALS so we have to

576
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:11,880
decide what we want to do I mean it
seems to me it's just it bees repeating

577
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:19,080
that these are publicly traded companies
that many of we have

578
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:23,920
any so they are powerful they have Lobby
and these attorneys that are able to

579
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:29,920
sway the legisl the
legisl happen nationally but these are

580
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:34,080
huge billion doll companies that we are
prob invested in so it's a fairly

581
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:38,159
complex
issue those are the bad because if

582
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:45,239
you're getting dividends or if you're
getting any typ of

583
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,239
payment well

584
01:16:48,639 --> 01:16:58,800
in um tremendous you're all up and it's
these same companies who scking into to

585
01:16:55,639 --> 01:17:06,280
us on the backside but it's not it's not
a simple issue so I would just say well

586
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:09,960
I to express this is not this this to me
is a I agree with you except it's a

587
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:14,880
question of equity and that's what makes
me angry about this on behalf of myself

588
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:19,360
and all taxpayers in the we have a
smaller voice so I would encourage us to

589
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:23,199
reach out to our our state legislators
you know Senator

590
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:27,639
Victor representative ship
representative Al and let them because

591
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,199
what what's happening is they're getting
they're getting you know pressur from

592
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:38,600
lobbies they are hired by being a
Pacific you know Rocky Mountain Power or

593
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:45,760
Sky big companies and and we don't it
bothers me that we have

594
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:52,120
less we've talked blue we've
talked we' met with the

595
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:58,520
legisl many many times on this very
issue and

596
01:17:55,199 --> 01:18:05,440
difficult for them too because they they
you know they have lobbyists that that

597
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:12,560
you know take those values down it's not
good for res by any but we have

598
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:19,320
tried after
meting ouris so so just a look right

599
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:24,320
here this shows the real property which
is you know homes and businesses here

600
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:30,880
versus the centrally assessed the gr the
yellow you go back to say just

601
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:36,760
2014 we'll go all the way back home
values were at

602
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:42,840
2.4 billion and now they're at 7.5
billion utilities were at

603
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:47,320
384 billion and now they're at 418
billion so they've they've hardly gone

604
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:54,000
up in value all our homes have gone way
up in value causing that big act shift

605
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:59,000
so you know everyone's oh the school the
Count's getting more money well we're

606
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:03,440
getting way more money from you but way
less money from them get the same amount

607
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:09,920
of money you had a
question okay uh one more slide I

608
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:16,239
believe this is just another graph kind
of showing since

609
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:23,520
2013 uh this is the T part of the tax
shift residential homes were 54% of the

610
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:28,800
total taxes this is Statewide and now
this was in 2022

611
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:34,480
they were paying 67% of the total taxes
so showing that shift a little more

612
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:38,040
clearly we you go back one slide I don't
know if John's head's in the way butross

613
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:46,320
the
bottom cross the bottom so in

614
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:53,280
2023 centrally assessed properties paid
$1,670 less that year in taxes just in

615
01:19:50,719 --> 01:20:00,360
that one year from the previous year so
that was up by by home

616
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:03,480
owners yeah any questions on
that I

617
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:23,639
would anything
else I time I I don't understand totally

618
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:27,800
where there was a time where the state
imposed we have the certified rate if

619
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:31,600
our values go up the break goes down
like the chart showed but there wasn't

620
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:35,480
there was a 5year period and you can
correct me if I'm wrong but it was a

621
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:39,199
5year period where the state of Utah
imposed a I think it was a property tax

622
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:45,159
of some kind for the was it for the
school I think it's the state ass State

623
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:49,520
and they they they assessed a certain
rate and they did not do the centrally

624
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:54,000
assist it was fixed for five years so
and I think in those five years when our

625
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:59,320
home values really went up the state
didn't the that rate lower the rate and

626
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:05,080
so that was part of the increase as well
so you look at the essentially assess sh

627
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:10,239
and that state you know ship that that's
where a lot of I think the rates went up

628
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:16,280
um you know but un so they yeah so they
froze their tax rate was like froze for

629
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:22,679
five years so the tax rate stayed the
same but values were going way up so the

630
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:25,800
tax rate should have went down so if
we're paying the same rate as we did

631
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:29,960
last year year but our values went way
up we're going to pay way more money so

632
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:35,960
the statement grow that rate for five
years is a small portion of your taxes

633
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:40,560
but they did a lot more money from
that that ended like two years

634
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:54,000
ago when we were doing the going through
the issues associated with the J I

635
01:21:51,360 --> 01:22:02,199
really hated I'm just buing my soul now
the idea more taxes to ja but I liked I

636
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:09,679
I didn't like but I hated less the idea
of the sales ta and the reason I did is

637
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:14,520
because it everyone shares that burden
it bothers me that we have more people

638
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:20,280
living in our County we have people who
own homes and people who don't own homes

639
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:26,440
and yet we are bearing the burden as
homeowners and property owners and

640
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:31,520
business owners for everyone is there no
way to take part of this and allow

641
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:36,120
everyone to Bear the burden as opposed
to just Property

642
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:41,639
Owners well with the Jael funding it
turned out to be a sales tax increase of

643
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:46,440
.3% but I know a gentleman right now
that is he he drives from Vegas he stops

644
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:52,800
a Home Depot he buys two for sixes
concrete Nails what Center blocks and

645
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:57,199
he's building his cabin in K County and
he's paying for our Jil

646
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:02,800
okay yeah it's much better though so I'm
just wondering is there no way for us to

647
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:10,639
allow people who are buying their stuff
at Home Dep to help us good point and so

648
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:16,760
we do collect some sales tax there's a
limit like that rate can't be increased

649
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:22,960
we do receive some increase in funding
for that every year that has allowed us

650
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:28,480
not to do a tax increase for 20 years if
with without the sales tax we would have

651
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:34,560
to do a tax increase every year for last
20 years you know so that is helping but

652
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:38,400
with the inflation and our cost going up
so much last couple years it's been

653
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:44,960
outpacing
that it's been when we did the jail um

654
01:23:43,639 --> 01:23:51,520
public
hearing it was

655
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:56,320
brutal but we knew because we sat in
meetings and meetings and gone through

656
01:23:53,080 --> 01:24:00,199
the jail and and knew that that our jail
was

657
01:23:57,159 --> 01:24:08,840
full and and I was comfortable about
letting criminals go back out and and

658
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:15,600
have another crime I I I don't know who
you know if others are comfortable with

659
01:24:11,719 --> 01:24:20,159
that but I never have been during that
public hearing we had a lot of people

660
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:25,800
from California say oh well they incre
increase ours just a little bit each

661
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:30,520
year to keep up with inflation
well I know why the Commissioners have

662
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:36,600
not done that over the years it's
difficult it's hard that's why I didn't

663
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:42,760
run again to tell you the
truth when I you get as old as I am and

664
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:47,719
and you get yelled at that many times
for roads or whatever

665
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:54,440
else it's
hard so you know the Commissioners over

666
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:59,639
the years maybe they were afraid that
they wouldn't get

667
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:05,679
reelected I you know and and that may be
the case if they raise taxes I wasn't

668
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:12,239
worried about that I knew we needed to
jail and I know that we need to fiscally

669
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:17,920
pay for what we need in our
count and if and if we get yelled at

670
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:23,560
that's fine but we understand because we
set through meeting after meeting after

671
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:30,040
meeting and understand the budget and
understand the need for the

672
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:38,480
gel we had the oldest gel that is
operating and and it it was it was

673
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:42,719
difficult when I had to re up for um py
commissioner it was before we had gone

674
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:46,320
through the legislature and about that
sales

675
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:53,560
tax
so it it's it's a hard job I'll tell you

676
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:56,920
that and and four years of it at my age
has been

677
01:25:54,760 --> 01:26:03,199
has been
hard so to speak exactly but I was

678
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:08,880
willing to do it because I know the
needs of the county and I love the

679
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:12,400
county well we appreciate your service
your public hearing is kind

680
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:18,119
of I
just just think I make one more quickly

681
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:28,239
then
questions so when when we as a

682
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,239
commission as a

683
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:38,760
commission a
Department

684
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:45,199
officials we sat down and crunched
numbers down to the dollar in every

685
01:26:42,119 --> 01:26:54,239
Department to determine what our very
basic needs were what do we need to keep

686
01:26:50,040 --> 01:27:02,159
flow this this isn't building in any p
it's not building in

687
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:07,199
a we sat down and figured out know do we
do we do a 20% tax raise and we're like

688
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:14,560
you know what we can get by with
19.5 but we can't get away with 19 I

689
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:19,199
mean we spend hours and hours crunching
the numbers to see what our

690
01:27:16,679 --> 01:27:24,280
responsibilities are as far as services
to the

691
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:29,840
community and and 19.5%
is what we have to have to continue

692
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:37,280
services to the community there you know
we could have said hey let's do

693
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:41,520
40% we good to go that that's not Cas
we're

694
01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:45,600
19.5% because that's what we
need to to keep our

695
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:56,679
count if you sit through the budget
meetings that we have we literally go

696
01:27:52,840 --> 01:28:02,840
line by line in the county and it's like
you know what you guys came in $500

697
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:11,600
under budget last year let's lower your
budget $500 try to or you went over $200

698
01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:14,600
let's raise your budget $300
year

699
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:28,040
really just can't to say more everything
G up so I would never

700
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:31,639
you know I would have never considered
it wasn't even a thought my mind we'

701
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:36,520
have to raise taxes this is I'm going
into

702
01:28:32,679 --> 01:28:40,280
my as a commissioner until the last two
years this was a foreign conversation

703
01:28:39,159 --> 01:28:49,760
it's
not about but this year in our budget

704
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:55,639
you know we've had requests we had over
30 Personnel

705
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:57,920
requests from different departments
have

706
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:12,040
this employes seven employees across the
county

707
01:29:10,119 --> 01:29:20,360
in
really and some of say half those

708
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:20,360
employees come from Enterprise

709
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:56,760
I'm going to
say yeah as commissioners

710
01:29:55,239 --> 01:30:00,840
we've been able to we've been able to
raise wages we've been able to keep our

711
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:04,560
wages
competitive I don't know

712
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,560
last talk about it

713
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:32,159
this is up until very recently

714
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:51,000
this it's more important to me not to
take an increase because increase to my

715
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:51,000
salary affects everybody

716
01:30:54,119 --> 01:31:01,920
that's my
two have a couple more questions let's

717
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:01,920
go right here m

718
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:43,440
so remember we had saved up money but
that m not much some of that money was

719
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:47,920
actually money that was Federal money
that was the the capital projects for

720
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:55,840
that and
then Citi

721
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,840
legisl representative ship

722
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,199
HP which allow

723
01:32:10,679 --> 01:32:21,760
for we have asked and asked and asked
for from every different place the

724
01:32:17,719 --> 01:32:26,560
legisl they throw so much money for for
recreation and all those fun things

725
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:31,360
but we bought
not1 from any of that so jails are

726
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:37,679
interesting in that regard because there
is money that happens

727
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:44,000
tail so with the federal inmates
remember they're house between

728
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:49,600
conviction and sentenc and then the
states generally the ones that help us

729
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,600
with our fa

730
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:55,840
like no federal

731
01:33:00,900 --> 01:33:03,960
[Music]

732
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:12,800
but this one

733
01:33:14,679 --> 01:33:24,159
this okay so truth and Taxation is is is
it's actually an extra requirement that

734
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:28,239
wasn't there previously um when Luke
talked about the levy like are there are

735
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:33,520
different levies on your tax bill when
you own property right and so and we are

736
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:37,840
one of the the general fund and so that
general fund um is a fixed amount and

737
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:45,760
the only way it can go up is through
that new growth that Luke explained um

738
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:50,719
uh but when an entity wants to increase
that Levy which is what the

739
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:56,000
Commissioners are working on now then
they required to go through this process

740
01:33:53,199 --> 01:34:00,320
it's put to a vote like that there are
bonds that are put to a vote or um like

741
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:05,159
last year there was a group that was
going to force this on to the ballot

742
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:11,719
before they we kind of change directions
and that's you can refer an action of a

743
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:15,480
of an elect by any action that you know
a Board of Commissioners or a city

744
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:19,960
council makes you can refer that to the
ballot um but there are you know

745
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:24,679
guidelines for that but for this in this
in this instance there's no other method

746
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:28,520
to get it on the ballot this is but
other than the public hearing and the

747
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:33,400
consideration of your elected officials
this is representative there really is

748
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:33,400
doesn't go

749
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:42,119
that yeah is there somebody over I just
pull you come and talk the

750
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:48,880
microphone we don't want to either

751
01:34:56,430 --> 01:35:01,109
[Music]

752
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:24,600
so the the restaurant tax is so when you
go to a restaurant you pay an extra 1%

753
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:28,560
sales tax that goes to a separate F it's
not part of this general fund it's its

754
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:34,080
own separate
fund yeah for tourism that's mandated by

755
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:40,800
the state so those that money is used
for recreation or tourism type

756
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:44,960
[Music]
activities yes so the revenues it'll

757
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:50,520
show the revenues coming in from that
sales tax and then the expenses of what

758
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:50,520
that money

759
01:35:54,199 --> 01:36:01,400
no I mean you can you can always request
more information detail on that we can

760
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:04,920
get you that and the television thing so
if any of you go by

761
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:20,360
just yeah there's like 30 or 40

762
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:50,400
we have so three pie recreational area
this County campgound Recreation Area so

763
01:36:47,639 --> 01:36:54,080
as we over the last several years we've
upgraded that area we've attracted

764
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:58,560
different events
like the uh UT State High School

765
01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:04,280
Mountain Bike
championships we have another Regional

766
01:37:00,679 --> 01:37:09,040
Mike Bas those those events have
actually used over a million dollars

767
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,040
into our

768
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:21,719
economy all those things so so when we
pay you know when we upgrade those

769
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:27,920
facilities actually well Sumer games
over a year ago we got new direct which

770
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:51,369
[Music]

771
01:37:51,679 --> 01:38:01,159
has real quick
so we're having a meeting next week with

772
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:06,639
the BLM in fact I talked to one of the
people at another meeting and and she

773
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:11,360
said there may be funds available that
the county and bl can go in together

774
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,360
because

775
01:38:13,159 --> 01:38:18,679
that the BLM the BLM

776
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:42,960
we're we're looking at that
absolutely both those

777
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:49,320
Recreation they're not count but but we
understand yeah we understand the impact

778
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,320
on our roads because

779
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:10,360
they have money they have M Recreation
stuff but I would

780
01:39:26,260 --> 01:39:29,319
[Music]

781
01:39:44,679 --> 01:39:48,480
let me explain what so

782
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:55,880
you
so something that's really been a

783
01:39:52,679 --> 01:39:57,960
problem in the back in theot developers
go

784
01:40:00,599 --> 01:40:08,400
out they take a
road they take a road V and they Blade

785
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:12,560
the shake brush they sell lots to people
and the developer run off to California

786
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:16,320
with money okay and then everybody when
they started using that road would

787
01:40:13,639 --> 01:40:20,599
complain but the road is horrible and
and they say we want our road fix

788
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:25,000
because it's County Road no we have to
we make developers bring roads to the

789
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:29,000
road us see in subdivisions they have a
certain standard they they have to over

790
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:33,639
excavate those RS about 3T they have to
bring in like a 3in minus gravel

791
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,029
[Music]

792
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:08,480
people well
you but anyway to finish my point if we

793
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:13,920
took every Ro in the county and and paid
it for everybody we have to Triple taxes

794
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:17,440
but but we require developers to do as
our standard and then we'll take them

795
01:41:15,480 --> 01:41:21,280
over we'll Cloud them snow and we'll
maintain those rules because we get we

796
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:25,760
get funds from the state for to to
maintain those rules but if some devel

797
01:41:23,719 --> 01:41:30,520
like I'll give you an example Sunset
Canyon out by qua on the other side the

798
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:34,159
developer came in there and he bled on
the dirt and he chips him dirt he didn't

799
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:38,920
put any road base he didn't put any
gravel base and those RS were horrible

800
01:41:37,159 --> 01:41:44,119
and finally all the residents got
together out there and they put it they

801
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:48,760
it cost we got a bid as a County uh and
we got several bids and we hired a

802
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:55,239
company to come in and fix all the roads
and they they added about $20,000 to

803
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:55,239
their tax bill to pay for the

804
01:41:59,639 --> 01:42:02,719
who was your developer who

805
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:13,599
developed neighbors decid to through
those roads the way they should have

806
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:17,920
been the first time then then we'll take
them over fix them and we'll maintain

807
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:22,480
them but tell them it won't because it's
not fair it's not fair to put that that

808
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:25,920
burden on everybody in the county the
Developers done in the first place

809
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,840
because you paid a lower amount of money
for that law because those rules

810
01:42:35,599 --> 01:42:41,320
wer with
as way more

811
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:51,920
money but that was back before now now
the county has them do that because it

812
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:58,679
was such a huge problem all those years
ago now now when when they do their

813
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:02,920
subdivision they have to bring those
roads up to County standards and then

814
01:43:03,050 --> 01:43:06,140
[Music]

815
01:43:13,130 --> 01:43:17,169
[Music]

816
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:23,560
we there's a

817
01:43:25,159 --> 01:43:29,040
yes so they have a meeting

818
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:45,199
every they're making improvements they
making improvements and it's very

819
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:59,840
expensive well the roads that you come
in on that the big road that comes in

820
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:06,840
front of
town yeah no the next one right in front

821
01:44:03,639 --> 01:44:13,840
yeah they they we chip sell that the
county chip sell that um and a few years

822
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:20,800
ago when they put some improvements in
there and so all of the roads that you

823
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:24,800
come out on our County Roads
that have

824
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:28,469
[Music]

825
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:43,440
the county gives you a lot of services I
mean ITA feel like it because your road

826
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:47,880
is very good but we we help pay for when
you come in and use the swimming pool in

827
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:55,040
here
or the your kids play baseball in here

828
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:55,040
the parks if you come in

829
01:44:55,119 --> 01:45:00,800
the library we pay for the library

830
01:45:40,599 --> 01:45:43,040
we have law

831
01:45:44,599 --> 01:45:49,239
enforcement that's our biggest bud

832
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:16,520
wednes no no it's
actually going out west no it's actually

833
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:21,679
we're going to meet with the BLM over
another issue and we are going to talk

834
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:27,000
to them about that but but I talked to
another uh

835
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:32,960
one of the BLM employees the other day
and and she said she was

836
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:39,320
looking if if they had
money a pot somewhere else that they

837
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,320
could use for that

838
01:46:54,260 --> 01:46:57,369
[Music]

839
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,360
I

840
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:54,840
just want to say
thank appreciate that

841
01:48:04,580 --> 01:48:07,689
[Music]

842
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:16,520
that
employe

843
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:23,599
I cut this cut
that for ways to save money and that you

844
01:48:21,599 --> 01:48:29,480
guys are doing a great job you guys are
brugal you guys conservative that was a

845
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:32,480
joke but you guys you have integrity to
I don't hear a

846
01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:48,639
comments years

847
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:04,960
from

848
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:18,360
stought impr there I paid most
improvs the rest of the taxers have to

849
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,360
pay some El

850
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,560
approved District

851
01:49:23,719 --> 01:49:32,560
those homeowners those
houses taxes they pay Now cover those

852
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,560
cost great

853
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:56,320
job we appreciate everybody come
out take these

854
01:49:52,880 --> 01:50:01,520
as we've met over the last year talking
about different

855
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:07,199
issues uh we really have taken a lot of
uh a lot of the

856
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:13,040
suggestions that we've gotten from you
guys we really do appreciate your your

857
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:13,040
participation know that it's not

858
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:24,639
convenient thank you for coming out
tonight um if there are more individual

859
01:50:19,639 --> 01:50:24,639
questions and stuff that come up um

860
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:35,639
no honestly the clerk's office is kind
of Clearing House for that but but those

861
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:39,480
concerns those questions and stuff that
come in the cl's office are disseminated

862
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:44,679
us we'll
help and we'll help answer those

863
01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:44,679
questions

864
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:49,909
[Music]

865
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:55,960
yes

866
01:51:01,639 --> 01:51:09,639
ma' I know there used to be hot tties in
my

867
01:51:06,599 --> 01:51:14,159
childhood I think tonight's a good might
be

868
01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:19,599
good thank you very much for coming out
appreciate you just want to announce

869
01:51:16,199 --> 01:51:19,599
that it's not going to be voted on

870
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:30,239
tonight so again um the vote on this
will be November 25th 10 A.M

871
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,370
[Music]

872
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:10,079
and another thing these meetings are
required to be in the evening after 6 o'

873
01:52:06,679 --> 01:52:14,400
6 o'cl or later so that's state law we
have to do it in the evening um dur and

874
01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:21,119
it can't be during any other public
meetings so like pan has meetings on

875
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:25,520
Thursday sear I think Wednesday en has
Tuesdays so we can do this meeting

876
01:52:23,639 --> 01:52:33,159
during those meetings and it has to be
in the evening so I mean Fridays and

877
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:33,159
Monday nights this is kind of our only