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[0:00] I'm ready
[0:17] when you are ready. Okay. Call the meeting to order.
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[0:38] Welcome.
[0:43] So, our having a presentation from the Ervington Woods Park and O'Hare Nature Center,
[0:51] the Community Input Survey, presented by the Woods Committee.
[1:14] Okay, well, the survey was put together by me and CJ with input from the Woods Committee.
[1:25] and was live for, well, it's actually still alive, we are now technically up to
[1:31] 444 with versus, but we posted around town using and using the village email
[1:43] BLAS and social media gave residents about a month to submit responses and the overall
[1:53] feedback was great appreciation for the resource of the woods, having that space available
[2:04] for various preparation, professional uses, a lot of appreciation for the programming
[2:14] that exists at the Nature Center, and CJ's work, but also support for more and interesting.
[2:27] So most people, maybe not surprisingly, who responded, actually use the words.
[2:35] But, so we ask people to let us know how the woods are seen as valuable to their families,
[2:47] themselves and their families.
[2:49] And as you can see from the graph is, you know, as I said for recreation,
[2:56] is a green space, an environmental ecological health village.
[3:14] Visitors are fairly frequent.
[3:17] I think, you know, the most several times a month.
[3:31] Add to that.
[3:33] But we have good use.
[3:34] I mean, people really are in the woods and they are using it.
[3:38] Yeah.
[3:38] There's a lot of.
[3:39] The trail map is generally seen as useful, I think, that there are worsen suggestions
[3:50] about some improvements that we will avoid.
[4:03] Not surprisingly, visitors use it for hiking, for dog walking, biking, enjoying nature,
[4:13] enjoying the animals being in a green state.
[4:23] In terms of programming, this actually, could I just ask you a question?
[4:28] Did you get any use of what happens at FedRoc or did anyone admit to that?
[4:33] Oh, no, not it.
[4:34] Not it.
[4:35] No.
[4:36] There were speed back on FASH.
[4:41] People would like to see trash better.
[4:49] Not sure we have answers for that issue, specifically.
[4:56] We have to survey it, that's not an idea.
[4:57] Yeah, right.
[4:59] We can go out with the full everybody individually.
[5:03] But I was personally delighted to see that there's interest
[5:09] for adult programming.
[5:10] I think that the lecture series really
[5:16] from the other additional feedback we got,
[5:19] you know, people really appreciate the lecture series
[5:21] and are interested in more, and then
[5:35] the
[5:41] responses to what people were interested in sort of ran the gamut from youth programming to birding and more, you know, how to's and someone said that there used to be a foraging program offered that years ago they wish that would come back.
[6:05] There was a lot of enthusiasm for,
[6:13] you know, up in the corner, respondents were aware
[6:20] that we're working on the woods.
[6:23] Some of them want to help, most of them don't.
[6:27] They're grateful, but they don't want to be out in the woods manually, but I think that
[6:37] But there's, we have a, the Woods Committee has developed a subcommittee on programming
[6:43] and we're using this to think through what to offer.
[6:51] And the feedback on what to do better, maintenance is clearly something that I think people asked
[7:02] for some maintenance, the trail signs, maintenance, the trails, and then expansion of the trail
[7:14] features. I think one of the nice request was benches on the trails and one interesting
[7:28] or a couple of people asked for sidewalks along Mountain Road and Harman to make it fully
[7:33] pedestrian-friendly.
[7:38] Other things, I think, that are going to be harder, glass for outdoor bathrooms,
[7:44] more parking,
[7:47] but I think that there's some very, you know, doable right
[7:57] into.
[8:05] And then the responses
[8:06] surprised me. Maybe not so much that the email is the main way people get information, but
[8:11] But posters and flyers was still pretty high on the list, and the social media is not
[8:23] so high on the list, so you have, sorry, posters and the other account.
[8:33] But a lot of people, for the other police, specify a lot of those responses were flyers.
[8:42] which I actually didn't even know you could get to sign up for all the emails available but I didn't know about text.
[8:51] So, and then local news that dispatch in particular was missing.
[8:59] So, website, did you get probably to the similar edge storm?
[9:06] Not in my tenure of sort of being involved with the woods.
[9:09] there was a survey done in 2008 I think it's quite it was quite extensive I I turned it over to the Woods
[9:19] Kennedy Liaison from RPAC she has it it's book and it was it was before the Woods existed the
[9:30] Woods Park existed so it was really more feedback for for the record parks programs and parks.
[9:44] I think it's a little more accessible, but it's curious, that's actually.
[9:50] Well, we are in the middle of redoing the with Spark part of the website.
[9:57] To date, it really hasn't been a place for information.
[10:02] It was outdated for a long time, and we didn't have a student head built it
[10:11] built it and didn't leave access, but we do hope to, you know, incorporate maybe
[10:22] a newsletter work has volunteered to write a blog, but to have it more actively
[10:32] posted with, you know, information about programs that are available.
[10:42] Some of the other recommendations, you know, there were outliers, pool, playground, ice skating, swimming, the reservoir, things like that are maybe not doable, but there are other recommendations that would require
[11:00] departmental operation systems like more trash cans, school use,
[11:13] and just more
[11:16] awareness of what's being offered so that it already works really well with
[11:22] the rec department, the email for us quite successfully, but I think that there's
[11:29] There seems, as you all are aware, there's a gap in sort of figuring out how to do
[11:39] what,
[11:41] what outreach do you have and connections of the schools?
[11:48] That's always been kind of hard for me.
[11:51] So mostly, so most our strongest connection to the school district is through our after school programs.
[11:56] So with direct families, the students, I'd say probably with the high school students because there's that direct connection with the honors society, volunteer hours, changing forest on Thursdays, which 8 through 12, and then the Saturday programs, like the volunteers to achieve, like that's kind of our direct line of contact with some of the guidance counselors where we'll do helper helper to verify their
[12:28] volunteer hours, and that we're like a rep site. So when kids come, they're actually doing volunteer work and
[12:34] there's evidence of that. I think with the younger
[12:38] families, like this was our first year running the budding and junior natal trillist,
[12:42] which was geared towards kindergarten through 5th grade, and that was all about getting
[12:46] kids outside learning about ecology in a fun applied way that allowed me to work on by like
[12:53] collecting feedback of the woods to do bio indicators. So we'd be like, all right, we
[12:56] We found 10 organisms today that are animals, and 12 organisms they have plants, and then
[13:03] I-NAT, learn about a different topic each week, and so the parents are learning about
[13:08] that, and I think there will be a ripple effect, or a feedback effect, that might go back
[13:13] to the school districts and say, hey, like our kids are learning the supply, like bio, and
[13:17] we're doing this now in, like, your grade, like, learning about the analogy, the same fish,
[13:22] and we've done that withs.
[13:23] So I think there might be a ripple effect because we've had that with the high school program
[13:29] where it's pretty easy to get volunteers on Saturdays or for our summer internship program
[13:35] for those that don't go away or don't have a paid summer program that might have some
[13:41] volunteer time to put in, they'll work with us.
[13:46] So it's mostly our bread and butter over the years that's really been worked out and like
[13:50] direct face-to-face contact with families and then those families talk to
[13:55] another family but some of the the challenges have always been like our
[14:02] caring capacity like how many students we can actually accommodate in one
[14:07] after school program, the Saturday program is a little bit different because we
[14:10] get adults so are quite serious anyone that is 12 years and younger has to be
[14:16] accompanied by a parent or like an adult.
[14:23] We did meet with Mara last summer just to introduce
[14:26] ourselves and let her you know let her know that about the nature center and what CJ's programming
[14:33] offers. The feedback that these sort of got which I've always noticed is they're just really busy
[14:42] And it's hard for them to add anything that is sort of not already in there.
[14:58] It's very hard for them to sort of...
[15:00] At a, like, a day at the nature center or a program, I think that they, it seems like they'd feel very stretched to do what they need to do. But we, I think CJ, and the Woods Committee does, it has been doing a good job with a couple of years ago. We had three scouts come forward asking for projects in the woods for their equal scout badge.
[15:30] We worked with them. I guess the green team has a team group. They reached out to us to
[15:39] request coordinating a volunteer day in the woods this month. I think that that's
[15:46] sort of how we best serve the community is by just being responsive directly.
[15:55] Yeah, I think it's kind of neat too because we also have for less, it's made four or five
[16:00] years like supported different seniors or juniors that are doing their science research project
[16:04] and it's quite hard to find a mentor and so like that's always been my philosophy like being
[16:09] a forward to the students where it's like they have this great outdoor classroom and we have
[16:14] these continuing products going on like today we just did our third year of the Do Your Vegetation
[16:18] Survey and so the students were involved in that so that's a continuing project that's someone
[16:23] maybe next year for a science research project like hey I've got four years in the
[16:30] of data collection under your vegetation,
[16:32] lined with what's going on with your management,
[16:34] that could be something that someone takes on
[16:36] as a data source.
[16:37] So I think that's the cool niche of what we do.
[16:41] It's things are kind of open-ended
[16:42] and they're dynamic in that someone could take a piece
[16:47] and take it to another level.
[16:48] Or we have a really defined box,
[16:51] which I feel like it's helpful for the school district
[16:53] where we have like CJ or Zoe,
[16:57] another WITS committee member could be a science mentor for high school student.
[17:03] You have the Saturday program, so for guides, counselors are pulling their air out because
[17:09] their students don't have enough hours for the honors side.
[17:11] It's like, hey, email WITS committee or email CJ or Zoe and then figure out when the Saturday
[17:18] of volunteers are.
[17:19] And I think emails for me, it's pretty low tech, but it has this really big reaching
[17:26] effect where I can directly target families and students and let them know like a week
[17:32] after this is what's going on because it's somewhat open-ended where it's like if someone
[17:37] has a conflict that Saturday, it's no big deal, it's not the end of the world, it's not
[17:41] like a paid program where people have a little bit more anxiety about like I signed up
[17:47] for this eight program, I pay this money,
[17:49] and I wanna make sure that I get it
[17:51] versus the Saturdays, I think, with how busy families,
[17:55] especially high school and middle school students are.
[17:57] I think that's a good resource
[17:59] that we've been able to provide to the community for.
[18:03] I know it's been put six or seven years now.
[18:09] Does that make sense?
[18:10] Yeah.
[18:11] Do we have email address with survey respondents
[18:15] or is it anonymous?
[18:15] It was voluntary to provide it to some people did, and we've between the survey, the lecture
[18:28] series, and then through all the programs that we run, we have a few hundred people
[18:37] who specifically have asked it.
[18:42] I think it's noteworthy that you say you had 400 in some.
[18:49] I would assume that's one per household, get households and three or four respondents.
[18:59] So if you're looking at a percentage of the community that's involved, 400 out of the
[19:05] mental number of households, which weighs
[19:11] about 25% on all
[19:18] the programs that the directive
[19:19] department does.
[19:25] So I'd say that's that's huge and the fact that if you've got an email
[19:32] list that
[19:35] you can have that direct contact and it was brought up originally it never seems
[19:42] like to put it in newspaper or you publish it out and
[19:49] say they know. And that's there's
[19:52] too much information.
[19:57] Having that list now you have a direct target of
[20:04] concern in this huge.
[20:07] I think my hope is when we have a chance to fully make our part of the website what we
[20:19] can, you know, I was surprised there were people who responded that they had no idea
[20:24] there was a nature center.
[20:26] There was actually someone who responded that they lived in Irvington and had no idea there
[20:29] was, so, you know, I think that there's, you know, opportunity to widen that but I think
[20:39] we have a very solidly of 16 interns this summer.
[20:50] That's a word of mouse.
[20:52] They're finding us and coming and building a new nursery.
[21:00] Today helping us with the vegetation surveys.
[21:04] I don't
[21:11] know if the USDA grant was if that PDF was shared.
[21:16] But, you know, like this from January through May of the end of May, so with that grant,
[21:25] the federal government will pay for our trees, but they don't pay for the planting.
[21:29] So that all that comes through the volunteer capacity on Aaron and that's kind of the cool bread and butter
[21:35] is that all of these students and families get to be a part of an active federal forestry grant
[21:39] and who has an active federal forestry grant at this time about the many people.
[21:43] And so the students are directly into resume building,
[21:47] and the little ones just get to plant trees
[21:49] and learn how to do that and see the restoration happen
[21:53] when they graduate.
[21:54] And I think that's been a big thing.
[21:56] Like now, with changing forests,
[21:59] we're going to be almost on the 3rd to 4th cohort
[22:03] high school students.
[22:04] And so some of their...
[22:06] In my experience, not having this data now through Zoe's work,
[22:14] we have this data set to then say like, you're like a lot of work you do where you might have a
[22:19] feeling and a read on the community and what's going on but then you you survey and you pull and it's
[22:24] like, okay, like maybe I was on point here with this feeling and another thing is like, oh I actually
[22:29] wasn't that like I should get more in tune with that but I feel like with the adult programming
[22:36] that was an interesting thing because with the Living Forest series that grant we got through
[22:41] Mary Jane Shimsky, $15,000 to bring in educators around natural resource management and
[22:49] ecology, those were big feedback points that in the survey that Zoe put together were
[22:57] telling because I thought, I thought we were maybe going to have higher feedback for early
[23:03] childhood or elementary program, but it was really the adult programming that had the highest
[23:08] back.
[23:11] Did you want to talk about the dark sky telescope then? Oh sure so. That wasn't
[23:19] part of it, but I thought that had a like waiting list for a good use of it. A community member
[23:27] came forward and asked us to host a dark sky event and so she organized it. It came together
[23:36] They're really nicely, I think we had five or six telescopes and people brought dinner
[23:42] and blankets and chairs and someone volunteered to narrate
[23:52] what we were seeing and unfortunately
[23:55] due to the limitations of the parking lot, we had just as many, we had to cap the attendance
[24:03] to 30 and we had just as many people on the wait list.
[24:07] So there's that's an event that we would like to do again to try to figure out how to be more inclusive to expand that but it was I was really actually very nice.
[24:28] So from, oh, so probably close to 2000 last two to three years, but from, I can quantify
[24:38] directly from January through May for the USDA grant, we did 1,155 trees, so those
[24:48] somewhere around 200, we're two-inch calipertries of three to 400 pound trees that are most
[24:58] of fruiting.
[24:58] So we plant them and they break dormancy, they're going to be producing like our tillamericana,
[25:04] the fastwood, has berries, so it's already feeding birds, it's pollinating, flowering.
[25:10] So they're at reproductive stage, which is pretty cool.
[25:13] And so part of the work we're doing with families and students is learning how like we are
[25:19] treating this community for us and how we're stewards and we're ecologists. We understand that.
[25:24] You know, if you plan the maturetry it might come to freaking earlier and might have these benefits
[25:29] similar to what our speaker series looked at. Like what Doug Talami presented so well,
[25:34] which is the really big picture like you plant an oak that oak brings in these caterpillars,
[25:38] those caterpillars then bring in spurts and there's a co-mechanalism between species
[25:43] and from plants to insects and animals.
[25:49] And so that's been, that is like this hidden educational piece
[25:54] where it's not a paid learning program per se,
[25:59] but families and students are coming,
[26:01] and they're learning about a bunch of tree
[26:03] while we're putting this tree in this area,
[26:06] like how that relates to the pH.
[26:08] There is a commutualism between this tree,
[26:11] And then three years later, we might be seeing these caterpillars, and we see these caterpillars.
[26:15] We might see these varieties or these species of birds.
[26:20] And looking at also, we have challenges with sleep disease, so you have mortality of species
[26:28] that we're losing in the woods, so we're talking about that.
[26:31] And it's a great way for both of us that's always been our feedback loop with the community,
[26:40] which is while planting a tree, understanding kind of what their interests are,
[26:44] like how we can tailor things differently, and now we have this quantifiable PDF,
[26:49] this document that. That's like, okay, this is what we did this year,
[26:53] and maybe three or four years later, we do another poll, and we can see how ideas and interest change.
[27:00] And I think that that's been really interesting, because we do that a lot in the forest.
[27:03] We have a lot of these long-term ecological research.
[27:06] There's a lot of some are affiliated with universities like Herbert Forest, we've got
[27:11] some deer transects with Cornell, and so what we want to do is make decisions based on
[27:16] feedback from the forest.
[27:18] So we may have ideas of what's going on, but based on how fast trees are growing, lack of
[27:23] regeneration, CH, prior land use, area that was clear cut, it's going to potentially have
[27:30] a lot more in bases, what types of in bases are those, and because we can only do so much
[27:35] with the limited staff, that allows us to then quantify where we can put our time and energy
[27:41] and volunteer power or educational resources into prioritizing these objectives that we have,
[27:49] that we think about with the Woods Committee, that we then project to the Reckham Parks,
[27:54] that then get projected out to you all as trustees, kind of this like this cyclical system of like
[28:02] thinking about what's going on, but having that feedback from both the forest, and then
[28:08] from the community to then say, okay, like, in the last two years, these are the interests
[28:12] from the community, these are the feedback things we're getting from woods, these are the
[28:19] feedbacks we're getting from the grant, and then to say, like, holistically, what can
[28:23] we do within our pie chart for time and for money, and then come up with these plans
[28:31] Which
[28:40] say that
[28:43] this is a sort of scientific and esoteric discussion we've just been.
[28:48] That said, you know, five years ago, or whenever Michael Marios did the survey,
[28:57] the other story completely gone and no trees being planted just in three years.
[29:05] A visual walks through the woods now, here to three years ago, in certain areas, it's really transformed.
[29:13] I'm sure that it could be as much has been done visually in these last three years that has been done.
[29:24] You know, and when that original survey was being done, Michael was talking about, you know,
[29:31] we've got to do 20,000 trees to get anywhere here.
[29:35] It's going to take 10 years, et cetera.
[29:37] We are a bit longer away now, and it's obvious visually, and we have stayed at one of the
[29:47] reasons.
[29:48] So, obviously, it's all these pieces of volunteers of knowing what to wear and when and
[29:58] getting those grants to come in.
[30:09] So, is the main takeaway from the survey? Like you were just saying, like, it's taken conjunction with brand. So, that's family. You know, as wondering, like, if there are specific actions or specific things that you take from us there, like, okay, we have those
[30:29] conclusions that you drew from it.
[30:33] Um, I think there's.
[30:34] maintenance that needs to be done. That was direct feedback that is needed for the trails,
[30:41] I think, and then the Woods Committee is going to work with CJ to try to plan out more programs,
[30:50] figure out how we can have that.
[30:58] Do you have any thoughts about registration? Or is it still planning to?
[31:01] Still planning, we've had the core grant has taken up a great deal of our time so far this summer.
[31:11] But the subcommittee for programming has met and I think we've actually come up with a great framework for what we could do.
[31:21] we just have to put some time into finding the programs to offer, finding the lectures,
[31:31] finding the people who are willing to do a guided walker. And the good thing to do with the living
[31:40] forest series, that's a PDF now, that's like a template, kind of just like with this,
[31:45] when we do the living forest series 2.0, we're not going to reinvent it again like we did last year,
[31:51] We've got this template similar to the survey, like if we do another survey poll, we want to make sure that our questions are similar to those questions we asked them three years ago.
[31:58] So they're comparable.
[32:00] And I think it's, it's fun because then you start standing out not on a like wet soil, but you're on like more solid ground and you have
[32:08] of convincing, like, this is kind of, we're looking at, kind of,
[32:15] I think it's exciting.
[32:17] I'm sure you all know because you're being pulled in all these different directions.
[32:20] So it's nice, like, when you're still getting pulled out of different directions
[32:24] but you now have some quantifiable feedback.
[32:27] That's not just in your mind from what you're seeing, but it's from other people around you.
[32:31] And you're like, you know what, like, even though it might not be the feedback that you want,
[32:36] It's at least you can stand solid on that to then think about that with other colleagues
[32:43] and was committed to then figure out these plans.
[32:49] Yeah, but the responses we got, I don't think we felt comfortable that we can move forward
[32:56] and feel like we're responding to a decent population of the community, not just.
[33:02] Thank
[33:06] you.
[33:39] So now that we've had all the departments present that
[33:47] we should just kind of discuss
[33:49] where everyone's at, which projects we want to approve and the funding.
[33:57] So I'll just go through a few of the changes that were made from the last time we discussed
[34:03] us the draft of the capital budget, the fire department air compressor got increased
[34:11] from 60,000 to 65,000 based on the quote that the fire department got.
[34:20] We removed the senior center transfer switch 27, 28 projects after the discussions from the
[34:31] meeting with the fire department, we added the decontamination room.
[34:38] The West
[34:40] sunny-side covert project borrowing was moved from 2627 to 2728 based on where
[34:47] the stage we are currently for that project and then the way that this is
[34:55] currently laid out it's showing the usage of about 1.3 million of fund
[35:01] balance, typically in the past we've aimed to keep the unassigned fund balance around
[35:07] the range of 7 million, so at this point in time, although we're awaiting the final audited
[35:13] numbers, estimated to be at about 9.2 million.
[35:22] The 9.2 is before the 1.3 is used, and then we also, about 7.7, because then we also
[35:33] author as the $35,000 or the, um, that is still the, yeah, the strategy contract. Um, and
[35:41] then we still need to fund the, the charger projects. Um, so that'll be about $110,000.
[35:48] So after all those will be around the range of seven point.
[36:01] So the quote that, um, they got, was for
[36:06] for 782,000. So we rounded that up to 785,000. In the previously last year, we approved
[36:17] the building safety projects for the fire department. So in that number, there was the
[36:23] 20,000 for the apparatus bay, the 140,000 for the state contamination room, and then 50,000
[36:32] for the elevator engineering.
[36:34] So I backed those out to be used
[36:37] towards this decontamination room project.
[36:43] And then there was also for many years ago
[36:46] a window project for the firehouse,
[36:49] which I spoke to Bonn Council about,
[36:52] and we can actually use those bar of funds
[36:54] towards this project as well.
[36:57] So that lowers the amount of fund gallons
[37:01] that we need to be in for a new, fun, balance about 405 steps and then just be clear
[37:09] in this decadentation room that
[37:14] if the building could do anything, we're not going to
[37:20] support it down, basically we lose all.
[37:26] It's hard to answer.
[37:27] I mean could we build a building around an existing decontamination room, if we could put
[37:33] Yes, we could and might introduce problems in terms of design efficiency could it be done. Yes, but that's kind of always been a reality to face.
[37:49] I know that I'm just clarifying it.
[37:51] Yeah, all know what we're doing here.
[37:54] I mean, should we, okay, I guess I have a couple of questions.
[37:59] What are we, because I know the last thing, we talked a little bit about the police patrol vehicle.
[38:03] And is that one that's like on a regular schedule?
[38:06] Do we know what the
[38:09] I might like to
[38:11] So he did that one was based on need
[38:17] and mileage and I think the state of the vehicle he said that it was
[38:23] It had needed a lot of repairs and maintenance.
[38:29] I think he mentioned in his presentation
[38:31] to what the Myelif was,
[38:36] 45,000 miles, but also you have to account runtime
[38:41] to that factors.
[38:45] I mean, I think that's a bigger project, Ross.
[38:48] I think overall, he doesn't talk about it again every year.
[38:51] The cars, the vehicles, and I think we need to look
[38:56] overall the number of vehicles that we have, I mean, I think that's the kind of
[39:01] a project for them.
[39:03] Is there a flashback like financial
[39:08] analysis?
[39:09] Did they determine what the impact of 50 more residents would be on the police
[39:16] perfect?
[39:17] And how many policemen they needed, and it was like, we don't own six or something like that,
[39:25] extra policemen.
[39:27] And then they said the standard for the community of the size two point.
[39:38] Well, that's because we have four.
[39:42] Yeah, but you mean cars?
[39:43] No.
[39:44] The police officers.
[39:46] Officers for.
[39:48] Yeah, I mean, the problem that we have is we're small community.
[39:51] So you have a minimum staffing.
[39:54] So it's so that these numbers are based on what?
[39:57] It doesn't matter data, because if you have a, you have certain staffing, you have to
[40:04] staff it.
[40:05] So, whether you have, we kind of have almost similar to dots theory and they have doubled
[40:09] the number of residents, but it has to do, this is a problem of being a small community
[40:13] and having a police department, you have to staff it properly, you can't, you can't really
[40:18] get around that.
[40:19] But I have a different question also.
[40:22] What about the ADA, the lift for this building?
[40:29] That's what I was going to say.
[40:32] That's what I was going to suggest.
[40:35] And the police vehicle that we also have coming from 47,000 of that from fund balance.
[40:44] and then the remaining $40,000 was from an old capital project for many years ago for
[40:52] a transportation ban for the recreation department that was no longer needed.
[40:58] Those funds can be used towards this.
[41:01] Actually found the project description that the police chief submitted on the current state
[41:07] of the vehicle.
[41:09] So, he said the new vehicle would replace patrol vehicle, which is a 2022 Ford SUV with 37,000 miles, an engine idle hours of 1,300, which equates to approximately 75,000 miles a vehicle, an engine where this vehicle has a useful and safe life expectancy of approximately one more year.
[41:38] replacement vehicles can take up to one year from the time they are
[41:42] budgeted for to receiving the vehicle and outfitting it for service. There is a
[41:47] need for a 4x4 PPV vehicles in the plea as evidence by the winter weather
[41:53] conditions this past year. We have routinely utilized vehicles in the past and most
[41:58] police departments in the area also current.
[42:07] I don't have other questions but I do
[42:10] I do think we need a vehicle review, an overall vehicle because it's starting point for the new project correct. Yeah.
[42:19] Yeah.
[42:21] I think it's the one double check. I think this is right, but I know for the library, we've talked about two different things like systems.
[42:25] And I think this is the number for the pump one.
[42:29] Is there a placement? It's not the replacement in kind.
[42:32] Right. Your placement.
[42:33] There's
[42:38] a lot of fire trucks being purchased, like one year after the end,
[42:49] there's a lot all at once.
[42:50] I just wonder what it's looking for.
[42:54] So as far as the debt for the fire trucks typically, there's, I can't at least like a three year time period between when they start the process and actually like getting the finished product and funding it.
[43:14] So like when we take out the bond,
[43:18] Yeah, so we just approved the rescue, we haven't taken borrowed for that yet, but
[43:30] you estimated a longer time.
[43:33] Right, I estimated the borrowing at this point three years from now, so we won't be borrowing that money, but since the contract was approved, we need the bond resolution.
[43:44] Yeah, no, I remember I was just noting like I was looking at like how much of the dentist got really
[43:53] short of time at like
[43:54] A lot of a free view
[43:59] I was just
[43:59] It was like please please vehicles ladder like the water is
[44:03] I mean the fire key said
[44:09] But that's probably even like a very low
[44:13] Estimate the two point five
[44:15] We're in trouble. We don't use that.
[44:22] That has been suggested.
[44:34] It has occurred to me as well.
[44:37] I mean, the latter 36 were not approving it now.
[44:42] It's for entry year.
[44:43] So it's kind of just like a placeholder at this point.
[44:48] But it's also the kind of time we talk about these things.
[44:53] So if you don't talk about it now, it doesn't happen.
[44:56] but it does happen.
[44:57] No, but I just think we have a vehicle.
[45:00] We should do. I think if you add them all up together, we need a different policy. We keep talking about that and timing and whatever, but maybe some of these things. We can't help the timing. It's a long time. But when we have some control for it. What are the next steps? So ideally, if we approve the capital budget at the
[45:29] next board meeting at the end of August,
[45:33] then I would have to give the projects
[45:36] that we want to borrow for to bond accounts,
[45:38] so we'll then come up with the bonding resolutions,
[45:43] and then those get posted 30 days.
[45:48] And I'm sorry, I'm not looking at you strange,
[45:50] it popped up, it said hand-brace behind your head.
[45:53] Sorry.
[45:54] I'm just looking at me saying,
[45:55] I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,
[45:57] I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,
[45:59] Yeah, I wasn't glaring at you. I was like, what is that behind your head?
[46:03] So typically we borrow in November. So ideally, the goal would be to have the approved capital budget at the end of August, so that we could then have the bond resolutions approved, which need to be posted publicly for 30 days.
[46:24] It's, um, or we can forward with that.
[46:29] And then when will you have sort of like the,
[46:31] what the service looks like?
[46:33] I have that now.
[46:37] So you have it with the borrowings that are proposed.
[46:40] Yes.
[46:47] One is.
[46:48] So.
[47:07] So with the, if you look at the last column on this schedule here with, um,
[47:14] with these new borrowings, assuming a 3.7% borrowing rate, which obviously can change.
[47:25] Once we go out to borrow, it would increase the 2728 debt service payments by about $282,250 over the 2627 payments.
[47:40] And just to put that in perspective, the amount we were able to raise taxes to say within the tax cap this year was about 750,000.
[47:53] So that does take up a big chunk of that.
[47:56] Is the total test service right now?
[47:59] The total.
[48:02] So this year, so
[48:14] in 2627, between interest and principal, we're paying down about 1.78 million.
[48:27] This would add on 3.47 million.
[48:44] This largely made up the library project.
[48:53] Grants of the culverts.
[48:55] Like that actually might happen or they all.
[49:02] like the downing wood Broadway culvert, the borrowing would be $983,000, but that's after
[49:10] the $1.4 million grant that we already received.
[49:16] Again, I don't know what grant that maybe evaporated.
[49:20] I think I just was reading the news that my, that was in the courts that it might
[49:23] actually not be allowed to be held back.
[49:25] I'm sure there was building resiliency grant was terminated within the administration and my understanding is it has come back. I don't know that it would unfortunately literally just decided about that. I don't know about something happening recently, but I heard the news about this.
[49:44] I want to say, in the spring and the late winter spring.
[49:49] There was something this week that actually looks like it might not be able to hold that
[49:54] grant.
[49:57] Right.
[50:00] Well, you hear something about it.
[50:03] Do we have any conflict?
[50:13] I mean, other than fun balance, you mean, within the current budget, no, and it looks
[50:24] It's going to go over
[50:28] 400,000.
[50:30] I mean, could you have figured it out?
[50:33] Closer.
[50:39] That's only the proof.
[50:41] Yes.
[50:42] The Haramon Road project was approved last half of all budget.
[50:46] Over budget.
[50:51] The change order.
[50:52] The change order.
[50:54] Yes.
[50:54] Along the.
[50:55] We're expecting.
[50:59] Here.
[51:01] Potentially that.
[51:14] And that would
[51:21] end up coming from fund balance, and that could be, or any from each of them.
[51:32] I think downing what it's definitely too soon to tell because they haven't even started.
[51:37] I think that the reports are still being approved.
[51:41] but stay in recently back with the co-on and the impacted parts but it's still
[51:50] prettier. I see the floor there.
[52:03] Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
[52:08] I think we're going to join.
[52:10] We're going to join the motion.
[52:18] Motion to adjourn.
[52:21] All in favor?
[52:23] Aye.