[0:00] A base shell carbon filters will not
remove chloramine.
[0:05] I'm putting a chlorine a carbon filter
in my house.
[0:08] Cuz I don't want the chlorine. Yep. I
can tell you what, I can walk into the
[0:11] people's houses in Minneapolis and St.
Paul, Maplewood, whatever. I walk in, I
[0:15] don't even need to test the water. I
don't have to. I can smell it.
[0:20] Chlorine and chloramine, either one,
eats all your rubber seals,
[0:27] toilet flappers,
washers and faucets, washers and wash
[0:31] machines.
It
[0:34] deteriorates them and fails them.
And one of the reasons they use
[0:39] chloramine is chloramine will go We're
just going to use numbers, so don't hold
[0:43] me to this. Chlorine will go 2 miles,
chloramine will go 4.
[0:48] So you don't have to have chlorine
inducing pumps
[0:52] further and further down your water
systems.
[0:56] So if there is a complaint with the
chlorine in the water, I suggest they
[0:59] put in carbon. All of this. Absolutely.
And just And I believe Josh, you can
[1:03] correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe
the reason why we have chloramine is
[1:06] because we have ammonia in our water and
with through the chemical process of the
[1:10] NH3,
that's what creates the chlorine to
[1:13] chloramine.
Correct?
[1:17] I believe that's correct, but it's a
brine question.
[1:21] I I don't know what you
>> that I I just wanted to be clear or just
[1:24] wanted to state that because I don't
want people to think that we add
[1:27] chloramine to our water. We don't. It
just It creates that by a a reaction of
[1:32] the of it. So is there any potential
that the Myox system is
[1:36] creating more It's There's no potential.
It's the same same end product. It still
[1:41] smells the same.
I think that from my perspective, the
[1:46] difference that you see is when we were
using our backup and going back and
[1:50] forth, you notice a lot more because
it's harder to dial in consistently. So
[1:54] the longer you're on when like
we had like the Myox kicking out a lot,
[2:00] so we'd be using backup. Um and there is
a shelf life of that of um when it
[2:06] starts breaking down in the tank too. So
if it's sitting there, it's not as
[2:09] strong as what it was before when you
put it in there. So switching back and
[2:13] forth, I will have higher levels. We
haven't had that. Our Myox has been
[2:17] working really well. Um
but my perspective on it is no, you
[2:22] don't have
higher residual of chloramine because we
[2:25] have the Myox system. Okay. And I I just
bring this up because it's it's always a
[2:30] a talking point and there's very strict
standards on all of this stuff. And
[2:34] there's
all these cities all use chlorine and
[2:37] they all have the same process
essentially other than we create our own
[2:39] chlorine instead of buying it. I haven't
actually gotten a
[2:44] chlorine
uh complaint in a while personally.
[2:47] Okay.
Um we're also running the pacing, which
[2:51] I think we've ever since we started
that,
[2:54] uh
we've had less complaints as far as I've
[2:56] gotten.
Um is there areas that are always going
[3:00] to get it? Yeah, because you can't have
the chlorine the same everywhere because
[3:05] of dead ends and things like that. It's
We try to put in loops and all that,
[3:10] which a lot of our is, but we still have
dead ends. So you're going to have worse
[3:13] areas than others.
Sure.
[3:17] Okay.
I have something I'd like to say about
[3:19] that. I don't doubt what Council member
Lundine said about the rubber being ate
[3:25] up by the chlorine. And if that's true,
I'd really like to make that information
[3:29] available somehow on our website or to
the public to put in a
[3:33] carbon filter because I
if I had city water, I would definitely
[3:37] be putting in a carbon filter if if that
was an actual problem where it could
[3:41] start deteriorating the rubber gaskets
in my washing machine and my
[3:46] my uh
toilet tank and anywhere else the water
[3:50] may flow that might affect appliance,
dishwasher,
[3:54] um
uh
[3:56] just But they also That's new
information to me. I didn't know that.
[3:59] » toilet flappers. They make specific
toilet flappers for chlorine. Do Do
[4:04] water softeners do a similar process
with the chlorine content? None at all?
[4:08] Okay. So really you just need a filter a
carbon filter. Okay. You can you can buy
[4:12] a carbon cartridge,
but now you're replacing that cartridge
[4:18] on a regular basis, and they aren't
cheap.
[4:21] It's
I can just tell you I know if I was to
[4:25] give somebody a quote through our
company for carbon filters, it's about
[4:27] 2,800 bucks. It's just like a water
softener. It regenerates automatically
[4:32] every 3 days. Okay. And it flushes the
carbon in there
[4:36] and keeps it clean and keeps it
generating. Now, you do not want to put
[4:40] a carbon filter on a well
because the carbon will hold bacteria in
[4:45] it and it will create more bacteria.
You want to put a UV light in. That'll
[4:50] help kill the bacteria. Okay. So that
was just my question on that. Um does
[4:55] anybody else have any questions on L2 as
far as the emergency repairs? I know we
[4:59] talked about this about a year ago.
What are you guys going to do about
[5:02] that? Can I just ask a silly Maybe it's
not a silly question. It says they were
[5:05] set to expire in 2018, but we weren't
going to replace them until 2028.
[5:12] We didn't know they had a 10-year shelf
uh shelf life on those tanks. Okay. So
[5:17] the just the
random CIP was
[5:21] at 20 Yeah.
>> in the in the CIP plan wasn't correct
[5:25] because of the knowledge we didn't have
at the time of putting that into a
[5:28] placeholder of 2028. Okay. But this was
scheduled to be replaced like 2 years
[5:34] ago and was No, it was scheduled to have
a 20-year shelf life basically or
[5:39] um
Yeah, so 2028 was always the expected
[5:44] replacement date.
With all of the tanks that were
[5:48] installed in 2008, the 20-year life was
kind of what was put on those. As Josh
[5:54] has seen with Lyle looking at the other
tanks, not all of them had that 10-year
[5:58] expiration, but
just something that was overlooked when
[6:03] that plan was kind of getting put
together, so it was given that same
[6:06] shelf life. So it was intended for 2028.
When Josh gets the new tanks with a new
[6:12] expiration date on it, we're going to
make sure that going forward we're
[6:15] staying within that life that is
specified on those certain tanks. Right.
[6:20] Okay.
And we had had a pretty long discussion
[6:23] about this a year or two ago and and
keeping these systems going. Um
[6:28] it's a pretty specialized system, but
it's pretty cool. So
[6:31] Uh any questions Any more questions on
L2?
[6:35] Otherwise, I have a question on L3
quick, Travis. Uh so will
[6:38] » to make a minus solution. No. No, this
is all consent agenda still. Will we be
[6:42] assigning an investigator to fill uh
Saba's role while he's filling the
[6:46] lieutenant role or is it just kind of
going to be shared or
[6:49] how's that set up? I think I laid it a
little bit in there briefly, but no,
[6:53] it's uh
we're not going to
[6:57] He'll fill both roles and delegate some
of the minor investigations to patrol.
[7:02] Okay. Sounds good. Thanks. I can't I
haven't been able to open these files
[7:06] and I I'm still not able to, so
>> more so because of he's already working
[7:09] that schedule, that shift and yeah, it's
it it's a better fit. But yeah, so we're
[7:13] not going to backfill that.
Sounds good. And then for item L4, I had
[7:20] another question maybe from Miss Wood.
Uh it seems there's potentially one or
[7:24] two additional positions on here for
seasonal than I remember last year
[7:28] specifically in administration, I think.
I thought last year we only had one
[7:31] seasonal here in city hall. Is that Does
that kind of come and go or did I just
[7:36] miss the other ones last year?
>> budgeted. We didn't have people apply
[7:39] for them, so
we ended up sharing just because of time
[7:42] constraints.
Um we do have more seasonals for public
[7:46] works this year, but all the money
dollar amount is staying the same. It's
[7:49] just based upon availability. We need
more bodies to fill the shifts.
[7:53] Um as we're having younger
um
[7:56] younger adults apply for the positions,
they don't have as much availability as
[8:00] some people, so we're having more
bodies, but same amount of hours. Okay.
[8:03] How about for the Is that the true for
administration in city hall office? I
[8:07] think there was three Sounded like three
of them on there that might have been
[8:11] here.
>> three budgeted last year too, but we
[8:13] ended up sharing a person who kind of
did both. Um we didn't get all the
[8:17] projects done that we wanted because we
didn't hire
[8:20] an individual for each of the positions
cuz we shared them, but that's just
[8:23] basically because we didn't have people
apply.
[8:25] Okay. Do you know the total budgetary
amount of those
[8:29] three specifically roughly? The admin
one was 5,200. I believe parks was 5,200
[8:34] and the EDC D is 3,600
per year. So roughly
[8:40] 14,800
or 15,000
[8:45] roughly, just
14,15,000. Okay.
[8:49] All right. Any questions or concerns on
those? Nope.
[8:52] Make a motion to approve consent agenda.
Second. Motion by Lundine, second by
[8:57] Peterson. All in favor, say aye. Aye.
Any opposed?
[9:00] Motion carries 4-0.
Motion to adjourn.
[9:05] Second. Motion to adjourn by Council
member Lundine, second by Council member
[9:08] Heman. All in favor, say aye. Aye.
Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. We will
[9:13] pick back up into committee of the whole
momentarily.