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which items two and three around just
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and I know he's going to have some
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So just let you know kind of where
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Um So first up we have our highway
department communication plan with
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and Justin I assume as well.

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Sarah, we got Sarah here.

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And what's your name? Sarah. Sarah.
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Morning.

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Good morning, yes.

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Good morning. Thanks for having us
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We just have a a thought we'd come
back with a quick update.

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Um at our last meeting with you guys.

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We took a lot of notes as to kind of
what your expectations were and what
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to be able to communicate out to
residents regarding this this project
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we as a team worked with your staff
and kind of came up with an overall
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So we'll go through that.

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um today just a quickly on a couple
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Um if you do want to put that
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Um so just as a quick reminder too,

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and we'll they'll send you these
documents after this meeting today.

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We will always have the frequently
asked questions.

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So we have based on your comments
last time, we did basically reformat
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and kind of retool it and made some
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based on what your desires were to
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And then we took that and we created
what we're calling core messaging.

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So an FAQ is really going to be a
could be a very long document.

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will be live and will always like
have different edits to it

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based on kind of where things are out
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And even like during construction we
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But then also just taking like a core
messaging right now is to again like

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the the why are we doing this, what
is it, what is it actually going to
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and then kind of when and how?

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So those things are kind of like will
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so we can really kind of get to what
is it that you guys need to help

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communicate out to your constituents
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So with that, one of the things we
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um what we're calling kind of your
communication toolkit.

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This is several slides. It's mostly
ment for an internal document for
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And this will continue to be updated
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As you decide exactly how you're
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and what the taxpayer impact is going
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This will be something that will
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and then you can continue to
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So when you get questions, you can be
able to go back to this document and
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okay, here's what the information,
the data is.

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And then that way, you're all saying
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and you all have all the data in
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So Sarah's going to walk through this
really quick and then we also have
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additional information on the few
other outreach plan that we have
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Yeah, I'm just going to add really
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core messaging is the last time we
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we just talked about how the FAQs
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but the core message is really going
to tell that story from beginning to
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and the FAQs will complement that.

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So anything that isn't included in
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readily available as part of that
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then the FAQs support that to make
sure we're telling the whole story.

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So, um as Megan mentioned, this
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have one place to always go and
access information should you get
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Um so we have everything from an
elevator pitch that high level
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of the um project and the kind of the
why of just a quick little

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quick little burb and we won't spend
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I Megan mentioned, it'll be sent out
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but just want to kind of show you
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And then we'll break down the core
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So whether someone's like, what are
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You have a slide just to speak on
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We have the project goals broken
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is going into that plan that you guys
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and then um or tells concept images
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You have one place to go and pull
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And then um project cost. What does
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And this is a great time to remind
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as decisions are made, as things are
updated, we will always be updating
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so that you guys have the most
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so that will continue to live as we
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As we build into this, as we solidify
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as we make those changes, we'll
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Um but just drawing some attention to
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open house this fall. We know we're
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All of those will be built into this.

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Um I'd just say that um this
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into is also

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so like the the purple is the design
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and the blue is the um the
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so you can kind of see again,
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all goes together. And then the
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and the October, those are the two

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really big outreach, um, meetings
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like having tours of the facility.

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Maybe doing something kind of around
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kind of having some, I don't know. I
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having some of your staff be part of
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Like with you know, the people could
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we could we could talk about those
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being able to have people look at the
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again, having you to be able to be
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so that you're being transparent
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the township meeting, we know it's
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out to the township to have the same
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to work with you on that so that
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in partnership with this with the
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to attend that. So again, um, we're
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message. So, this is just all that
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communication and design. So that's
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like. to Sarah's find is always on
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that available for you guys, um, the
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there. And then this is just again a
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sure we're communicating on. We could
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work with your team to make sure
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is there. Social media, we'll work a
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a cross-way that we're getting this
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house and facility tour. like don't
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it's gonna automatically play. Um,
next we just wanted to kind

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of share, we had the opportunity to
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and Amanda at the facility to create
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you guys have seen that full video
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opportunity to make some edits to
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we wanted to share that with you
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a really great spot and will be a
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forward to live on the website, to be
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the communities as well. Any
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might just automatically play after I
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The last, um, no, yeah, there. So, it
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by December 2027. What does that
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the construction process, so like
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the bids, that that has to get final
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construction again. That's part of
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been up here before kind of showing
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gets refined more, again as you
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design, those days will get changed.
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overall what Ken has shown you for
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then they'll award the bidding
contracts December, January. Yep.

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Okay. Just one minor correction that
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So we have, yeah, sorry. Okay. No,
it's just carry over because

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you have December, January 2027.
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First of the year 2027. Thank you. Oh
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I had a couple quick comments on the
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Absolutely.

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And I know that's what we're going to
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So, um, on the left side, um, I'm not
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going to be using property tax levy
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what most people are going to be
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option for us to consider. But I
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out to the public at this point in
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options are on the table in my mind.
It's just that we're really

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not looking at that as a priority at
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That I think the top three are really
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Okay. to maybe comment on that, then
maybe we say property tax levy

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question mark or possible. Yeah, you,
yeah, that would be fine.

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Um, yeah, I, I think I agree with uh,
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because what I would see if I, if I
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on, I would see that and go
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going to raise my property taxes.
They've already raised, going to

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raise tabs and now they're going to
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you say, right, option after it or,
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on that note, if we're going to do,
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or different possible funding
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I think we also may want to say the
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that's certainly going to be a
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know if it's a positive value, but
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it's going to be worth three to five
million, time will tell.

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I suppose we couldn't add in the sale
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the county. You think? No. Well, I
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I mean, that just kind of gives
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that we're not going after their
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find every avenue we can. To pay for
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I like that, yeah.

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So I would put that sale of
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wanted to find it first. And then
property tax levy second and and make
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potential options or however we want
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[clears throat] Okay.

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Um and then the one other minor
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I didn't have a time to read all the
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but I think somewhere in there it'd
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to the public that one of the key
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keeping our services full throttle
during this transition.

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Because that justifies the need of
finding a different spot to

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get it and that during this time,
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we do have that in here.

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Okay. Yep, good.

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If you feel that after you've read
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Amanda know that if it needs to get
beefed up like let us know.

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Can you show it real quick?

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rest is kind of one of the wise.

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Can you show it real quick? Is it one
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went through? Um it is not on the
slides. Again, because that's

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part of the bigger messaging we're
trying to make sure.

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But if you want us to add that, we
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just he added to it.

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in the general land properties. Yep,
there you go.

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I think we should add that.

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Just so they I mean

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I think it could be all encompassing
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of existing properties without
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That's true. I would I would I can
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clarity is we need clarification.

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Well, so probably I like the language
I'm seeing, so I guess

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I'll leave it up to their hands to.

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Let us make those edits and get them
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to send out to you. For sure is the
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because people go, what are you going
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Yep, for sure.

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Megan, can you tell me what you mean
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transition, keeping services going as
in a different form of communication?

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So it's in it's in these documents,
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what I just noted here is that

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um maybe on the core messaging
project goals, uh we'll add

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a bullet saying, you know, keep
existing services intact.

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We'll come up with better

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I'll lean on your judgment.

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I just think that's important.

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wherever we communicate that.

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We can do that.

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That's not a problem.

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[chair squeaking]

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Um

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I don't know if this is digging too
deep or maybe it's in that

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story you have there. Um

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something about the defrayed cost of
$5 million if we keep the

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existing building, would probably be
important for people to know

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because I'm seeing a lot of people
saying, um how come you're not just

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remodeling what you have? A lot of it
is the size, a lot of it is

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how old it is. It's just, it's more
financially feasible to start new.

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Yep.

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And that that is there are all pieces
in here that does say that

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you know, it is.

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Okay.

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Good.

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deferred maintenance and all that,
like it it doesn't that does not

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make sense. Okay.

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But again, if once you read it all,
if you feel like there's something

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else needs to be bolstered, let us
know. But

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I think what I'd like to just
encourage is to really take your

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time and read this. Um and again,

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remember that like there's pieces
that get pulled out because when

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you get so detailed too, you kind of
end up losing people. So we

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want to make sure that we're hitting
the things that are important.

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The key points, yes.

255
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Yep.

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Yep.

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So.

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Any other questions?

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you can explain, but yeah, let us
know we're happy to.

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None for me on this.

261
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I'm excited to see the video, any
other questions before we do?

262
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No, I'm ready to see you.

263
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Bring it on.

264
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All right, let's see if it works.

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Who's that guy?

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Is that an actor from Hollywood?

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Yeah.

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[music] Our highway department's
responsible for emergency response,

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and that looks different every day of
the year. We're responsible for

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the road maintenance in the summer
months throughout the year and also

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the snow clearing in the winter
months. Most of our county is

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rural and really counts on the County
Highway Department to get

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their roads cleared. Every day we
have to move equipment just to get

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to our equipment. If I wanted to go
get our sweeper out, I'd have to

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move four other pieces because we got
it packed in so tight.

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Some equipment is between two
buildings constantly going back

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and forth. Some days it actually adds
time to get what we need and

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get out the door. I worry about, you
know, the roof whenever it

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rains hard, we have water coming in,
we have it on our trucks,

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we have it on our floor. I worry that
someday this roof is going

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to be collapsed. New snow plow truck
is on the order of $400,000.

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And we need to make sure that we're
protecting those assets. The section

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that we're in currently was built in
1949 and

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Well, floor drains don't work.

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We have horrible ventilation like you
start welding and it gets smoky.

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We need to have a good facility to
operate efficiently out of

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and to make sure that as we have more
areas of pavement to maintain that

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we have a reliable, safe and
efficient facility to work out of.

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A building of this age, 75 years, the
different code compliance, just

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the space needs itself.

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It really didn't lend itself to a
remodel project or a band-aid
approach

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to to get us by. It's time to replace
the building. It's served

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us for some time for the last 10, 15
years. It really hasn't met

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our needs. It hasn't served us well.

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[music]

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Wow.

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Very well done.

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Wow.

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[music]

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Oh, that's pretty really good.

301
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One little thing I think I saw was
when Justin was talking,

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it said Cody's name. Cody Goodheart.

303
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Oh.

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[laughter]

305
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Just in one of the spots.

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At the very, at the very end of the
video, did you did you

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say that it hasn't served us well or
it has served us well?

308
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For some time it's served us well.

309
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Yes. Okay, there you go. All right,
sounds good. Yeah.

310
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Because it sounds like we've kind of
got our money's worth out of that
building.

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Yeah. Yeah, I would say.

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And even you know, speak on that. I
know we have uh some

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inquiries out just on looking at this
the value of the

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existing property.

315
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Um I have heard rumor that the
property just east of us

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was going to close.

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Um so that would be a very direct
comparable to

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A nice comp for the how much it would
be. Okay.

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Similar land size.

320
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Yeah, it's the potential um housing
just Oh yeah, okay.

321
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I think there's six or you know,

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obviously be a price for square foot
on a commercial property, but

323
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Okay, cool.

324
00:16:05,598 --> 00:16:08,544
Very well done. Appreciate that.
Everyone involved.

325
00:16:08,577 --> 00:16:11,594
Thank you guys. I'm getting, you
know, access to this video.

326
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And then again, putting it on your
website and utilizing how you feel
best.

327
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And how long was it? a minute and a
half, two minutes?

328
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Yes, we don't want it too long.

329
00:16:20,198 --> 00:16:22,158
A minute and a half. A minute and a
half? Okay.

330
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Can this video be uploaded to YouTube
where a lot of people

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can see it?

332
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Okay.

333
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Do we get revenue if we get uh

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revenue so we put on that

335
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Like your video.

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That the color looks nice.

337
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[laughter]

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I do got to say though, the video was
very tastefully done.

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I didn't I didn't really see anything
that struck me bad

340
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about it, so

341
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gets the point across without
problem.

342
00:16:44,734 --> 00:16:47,850
Yeah, it gets the point across
without being assessive about it.

343
00:16:47,883 --> 00:16:49,228
Yeah. Good.

344
00:16:50,454 --> 00:16:51,956
Well, thank you guys for having us.
We appreciate it.

345
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You have by Sandy County

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mn.gov. Is that

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for strictly

348
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for the building and stuff like that
just

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or is this does this go for

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It's just our county our county
website.

351
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Oh.

352
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And then there is a landing page.

353
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There is a landing page.

354
00:17:13,424 --> 00:17:17,178
Yeah, and that might be we can have a
direct link.

355
00:17:17,211 --> 00:17:18,175
Yeah, we should.

356
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It might be more difficult to find
it.

357
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Yeah.

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And I'm not sure if the if the video
was uploaded, if there

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would be a link in say like the
subject or something

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that a person could click or

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Okay.

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I know some some people find it a
challenge to find things

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on our website.

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So I from my perspective, this is our
one of our top

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priorities of this year.

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And so having it front and center,
whether it's a link on the front

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page or what have you, um to me, I
would be very supportive. Or YouTube.

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Cuz then we can share it.

369
00:17:47,607 --> 00:17:50,126
Well, the YouTube link would be on
the front page of our website.

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Oh, that way. Yes, there you go. Yes.

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Our QR code.

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Do you have QR codes that you're
going to be putting?

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Okay.

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We can absolutely do that.

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Well, it looks great. Good job on the
video.

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Thank you.

377
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Everything good as far as like update
for communication, anything

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else you'd like to comment on or
don't do we miss anything

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that is important to you?

380
00:18:09,436 --> 00:18:11,994
No, just a couple comments that were
made on the list of things

381
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but otherwise, yeah, no, it looks
great.

382
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Is it too late to ask for a different
um Hollywood actor at

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the beginning of it?

384
00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:21,196
We can come back and interview you to
film.

385
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No, no, no.

386
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[laughter]

387
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Yeah, you're going to say Justin.

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I'm Mr. Chair, if I may, uh,

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you know, looking at that open house,
is there any vision that

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commissioners would would like to
see,

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you know, our thought too is and
maybe it's partnering with the

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sheriff, there's the safety day in
September.

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Not that it would be the same day, we
wouldn't want to rain

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on that parade,

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but we'd also want to show that what
we do has a lot involvement

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with law enforcement and what they do
has a lot of involvement

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with what we do. So

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understanding that relationship and
the importance,

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um our expectation was, you know,
potentially having maybe

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there is some law enforcement or
safety and rescue

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or fire department to show that, you
know, the need that the plows

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get out, kind of clear the way for
emergency response.

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So that was

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kind of our vision, not making it
overdone.

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It's a chance to for folks to see the
facility, but to have that

406
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Have you two had a preliminary chat
on this?

407
00:19:09,535 --> 00:19:11,993
We have not, it's no, I just um I
know there's this, you know

408
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the date of the safety day for
September.

409
00:19:14,717 --> 00:19:18,205
Uh, I can maybe tell you real quick
here.

410
00:19:18,305 --> 00:19:20,962
Well, you're if you do it the same
day, I guess that's kind of a

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separate question, but from my
perspective, correlating it with

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our shares department is a is a great
idea.

413
00:19:26,277 --> 00:19:28,736
I think so. Because it looks like
you're working together, it

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brings like community

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together. Absolutely 100%.

416
00:19:32,357 --> 00:19:33,918
Because that is the fact, that is
what they're doing.

417
00:19:33,951 --> 00:19:35,346
So might as well show that.

418
00:19:35,446 --> 00:19:37,904
Yeah, and that was our take too is,
you know, to show the

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importance that what we do, you know,
is relied upon by a

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lot of services.

421
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Good.

422
00:19:45,013 --> 00:19:45,917
September 12th.

423
00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:48,003
September 12th. Yep, that's Saturday.

424
00:19:48,372 --> 00:19:50,661
Yeah, we'd be happy to partner with
you however we can

425
00:19:50,694 --> 00:19:52,255
and help support those. Yep,
appreciate it.

426
00:19:52,288 --> 00:19:54,248
So maybe we'll do we can talk offline
and figure out a

427
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different day but around that time
frame.

428
00:19:57,338 --> 00:19:58,171
Okay. Perfect.

429
00:19:58,204 --> 00:20:01,427
And have instead of the internal
working is is great, but also

430
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communicate the value to the public,
IE your kids will get

431
00:20:03,852 --> 00:20:06,044
to

432
00:20:06,274 --> 00:20:07,107
uh, um,

433
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:10,894
the sheriffs will be out, uh,
deputies will be out giving tickets.

434
00:20:10,927 --> 00:20:12,256
We maybe not that one. [Laughter]

435
00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:15,778
But that we, you know, emergency
service can be people in

436
00:20:15,811 --> 00:20:19,365
dangerous health conditions can be
taken to the hospital.

437
00:20:19,398 --> 00:20:22,156
a lot quicker if we have safe roads.

438
00:20:22,189 --> 00:20:23,651
Anything else, commissioners?

439
00:20:23,684 --> 00:20:25,744
Um, I just want to ask one question
there for Justin.

440
00:20:25,777 --> 00:20:31,856
So, one of the comments that I've
been, well, been getting quite
frequently on the wheelage tax is, is
do, uh,

441
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they say that it can only be used for
road and bridges,

442
00:20:36,241 --> 00:20:38,234
not for a building.

443
00:20:38,732 --> 00:20:40,061
Can you clarify that?

444
00:20:40,327 --> 00:20:43,483
Definition and statute is highway
purposes.

445
00:20:43,516 --> 00:20:45,808
Highway purposes, yes. I like that.

446
00:20:47,103 --> 00:20:50,559
So, obviously for, for many
departments of public works, sheriff,

447
00:20:50,592 --> 00:20:53,648
we need a facility to operate out of.
Okay.

448
00:20:53,681 --> 00:20:55,541
We need equipment to to manage and
maintain roads.

449
00:20:55,574 --> 00:20:58,432
So they're all highway purposes by
definition.

450
00:20:58,465 --> 00:21:03,215
But I just thought I would ask that
well, so other people listening could
know that too, so.

451
00:21:03,248 --> 00:21:04,511
Oh, great. Good question.

452
00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:07,334
And to add to that, has that been
done in other counties?

453
00:21:07,534 --> 00:21:10,125
Wheeled tax to use for to use for
highway building?

454
00:21:10,224 --> 00:21:12,085
Uh, for equipment, for sure.

455
00:21:12,118 --> 00:21:14,975
I don't know uncertainty for for use
for facility,

456
00:21:15,008 --> 00:21:17,666
but I know the definition of highway
purposes.

457
00:21:17,699 --> 00:21:20,157
But we can definitely look into it
and confirm and next.

458
00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:21,884
Probably would be nice to know.

459
00:21:22,183 --> 00:21:23,047
Thank you.

460
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,934
Yeah, I think either way, I mean if
if, you know, from budgetary
standpoint

461
00:21:26,967 --> 00:21:30,123
that whelage tax revenue could be
used to offset some burden of road
and bridge

462
00:21:30,156 --> 00:21:31,950
and that other burden could be, also
it's

463
00:21:32,548 --> 00:21:35,637
maybe restricted, but then, you know,
say it is

464
00:21:35,936 --> 00:21:38,793
Yeah, it's all, it's all coming from
the same pool of tax.

465
00:21:38,826 --> 00:21:40,786
It's just a question that has come up
many, many times.

466
00:21:40,819 --> 00:21:42,879
So I thought I would just get it on.

467
00:21:42,912 --> 00:21:46,168
Commissioner Christenson, I'll seek
the answer and we can get
verification back.

468
00:21:46,201 --> 00:21:47,530
Thank you very much.

469
00:21:47,596 --> 00:21:51,084
Megan, one more time, can you go back
to the project costs?

470
00:21:51,583 --> 00:21:58,559
Um, can we increase the next fiscal?

471
00:22:05,734 --> 00:22:11,182
Um, this is probably too much in the
weeds, but we have, uh, you know, a
debt that's going off

472
00:22:11,215 --> 00:22:15,368
that we're basically maintaining.

473
00:22:15,401 --> 00:22:16,265
to go on it.

474
00:22:16,298 --> 00:22:19,952
I guess my as I say this, I think
that's probably too detailed.

475
00:22:19,985 --> 00:22:21,946
because it's not really new funding.

476
00:22:21,979 --> 00:22:23,839
Yeah, I would just leave that out.
Okay.

477
00:22:23,872 --> 00:22:30,848
No, because when I've brought that
up, uh, people will say, well, then
our taxes will go down if that, you
know, goes, expires, so.

478
00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:37,293
Very true, but I I like the part of
saying we're not really, we're not
going to be,

479
00:22:37,326 --> 00:22:41,711
hopefully not adding any new taxes
other than the wheel tax.

480
00:22:41,910 --> 00:22:43,472
Right. It's my home.

481
00:22:43,505 --> 00:22:44,338
Okay.

482
00:22:44,371 --> 00:22:46,796
All right, I just wanted to bring up
just wanted to bring up just in case
anyone had a opinion on it,

483
00:22:46,829 --> 00:22:49,520
but I I think that'd be good to keep
it out of there.

484
00:22:51,115 --> 00:22:52,443
Okay. Perfect.

485
00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:53,474
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

486
00:22:53,507 --> 00:22:55,367
Thank you. Yes, appreciate it. Well
done.

487
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,563
Good, good job, ladies.

488
00:22:56,596 --> 00:22:57,859
Thank you.

489
00:22:57,892 --> 00:23:00,350
I'm really glad we didn't bring in,
uh, some actors, huh?

490
00:23:00,383 --> 00:23:03,439
Haven't real people that are hands-on
doing the video, it's fantastic.

491
00:23:03,472 --> 00:23:04,801
I wasn't an actor.

492
00:23:05,466 --> 00:23:06,329
[Laughter]
Krissen,

493
00:23:06,362 --> 00:23:07,195
that's your call.

494
00:23:07,228 --> 00:23:11,580
Hey, maybe, Justin, maybe you have
another trade or another, uh, career
move. You never know.

495
00:23:11,613 --> 00:23:13,606
his acting career now.

496
00:23:14,035 --> 00:23:14,868
Thank you.

497
00:23:14,901 --> 00:23:16,894
Thank you, guys. Yeah, thank you,
guys. Appreciate it.

498
00:23:17,293 --> 00:23:21,246
Next up on the agenda, I don't know
if you heard it, but we switched
items two and three around

499
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:24,867
since our sheriff is here to respect
his time.

500
00:23:25,565 --> 00:23:29,119
So, update on the regional jail
meeting, we had a meeting yesterday
with, uh, Pine County.

501
00:23:29,152 --> 00:23:33,338
There were about 40 people invited or
not invited that were there.

502
00:23:33,637 --> 00:23:35,996
Um, with the was it seven counties or
eight?

503
00:23:36,029 --> 00:23:37,126
Eight. Eight.

504
00:23:37,159 --> 00:23:37,992
Okay.

505
00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:39,487
For some reason I was thinking seven.

506
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:46,363
So there were eight counties talking
about a subject that I thought was
very interesting of county jail
collaboration.

507
00:23:46,396 --> 00:23:50,250
And I give Pine County a lot of, uh,
credit for thinking outside of the
box.

508
00:23:50,283 --> 00:23:51,845
And I just wanted to bring this to
our attention,

509
00:23:51,878 --> 00:23:53,638
I don't think it's something we're
gonna solve today

510
00:23:53,671 --> 00:23:54,535
or tomorrow.

511
00:23:54,568 --> 00:23:58,953
It's kind of a long-term thought
process of how do we,

512
00:23:59,153 --> 00:24:04,402
um, administer and fund and our, uh,
jails and in a way that's, um,

513
00:24:04,435 --> 00:24:08,820
you know, most efficient.

514
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,308
So some of the key takeaways I had
and then Amanda was there.

515
00:24:12,706 --> 00:24:15,165
Um, Wayne and John were there from
our Sheriff's Department.

516
00:24:15,198 --> 00:24:19,084
Jeff Edblad was there, um, as well as
Jackie from the jail.

517
00:24:19,882 --> 00:24:20,945
So some of the key takeaways.

518
00:24:20,978 --> 00:24:25,230
And and what I was curious about is
none of us, most of us didn't sit
together and so I was thinking
afterwards like,

519
00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:29,947
I bet we all saw different parts of
this that we gravitated towards.

520
00:24:30,047 --> 00:24:34,598
What hit me, some of my key
highlights were mental health jeeling
is an extre

521
00:24:34,631 --> 00:24:38,186
extremely important topic for
everybody there.

522
00:24:38,219 --> 00:24:39,581
Um, it's just a very big challenge.

523
00:24:39,614 --> 00:24:42,504
Wayne and I talked a little bit about
that on our way back home.

524
00:24:43,002 --> 00:24:44,996
Um, so maybe you can comment on that
a little bit more.

525
00:24:45,295 --> 00:24:47,554
Um, most of the counties are way
overbuilt.

526
00:24:47,587 --> 00:24:51,540
I didn't realize, um, you know, our
low numbers are, um,

527
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:55,360
really not any different than
anywhere else.

528
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:58,118
And there were some a lot of legal
reasons that they went through that
are on the slide,

529
00:24:58,151 --> 00:25:00,343
maybe we can zip through that real
quick.

530
00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:05,824
Um, not a lot of love for Department
of love for Department of Corrections
in terms of the inconsistent.

531
00:25:05,894 --> 00:25:10,329
agencies of how they're inspecting.
Um, that was a challenge.

532
00:25:11,455 --> 00:25:14,681
Um, from my perspective, the one
question I asked was, um,

533
00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:17,504
can I ask the Pine County? It was a
formal meeting for Pine County,

534
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:20,534
and the rest of us were kind of
guests of that meeting.

535
00:25:20,673 --> 00:25:22,856
I asked them how they came up with
the eight counties.

536
00:25:23,504 --> 00:25:25,534
And their answer was solid. It was
because it's

537
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:27,607
they're the center and that's kind of
the counties

538
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,061
that are within an hour and a half
drive of them. Okay.

539
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,599
So I walked away from that thinking,
well,

540
00:25:32,632 --> 00:25:34,922
we work a lot with our neighboring
counties

541
00:25:34,955 --> 00:25:37,214
and maybe we would want to think
about it from that perspective,

542
00:25:37,247 --> 00:25:39,878
because I know we have some things
going with Chisago County

543
00:25:40,107 --> 00:25:41,552
um, in this area.

544
00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:44,608
And also a good comment was the need
for

545
00:25:44,641 --> 00:25:47,528
a lot of our state legislator's
involvement

546
00:25:47,561 --> 00:25:49,342
on this in different ways,

547
00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:51,106
and perhaps one of you two can
comment more on that.

548
00:25:51,139 --> 00:25:53,262
Why don't we just go through a couple
of the highlights

549
00:25:53,401 --> 00:25:56,298
do you want to narrate from here and
go through this?

550
00:25:56,331 --> 00:25:57,395
Oh, my, I certainly can.

551
00:25:57,428 --> 00:26:01,959
So this was really a meeting
spearheaded by Canabec County,

552
00:26:01,992 --> 00:26:05,088
and Kelly Schroder did a lot of uh
work,

553
00:26:05,121 --> 00:26:06,982
I think in conjunction with their
sheriff

554
00:26:07,015 --> 00:26:10,071
to put together some of the
information provided to the

555
00:26:10,104 --> 00:26:12,725
rest of the attendees in the meeting.

556
00:26:12,765 --> 00:26:15,752
It stemmed out of this uh 2024 jail
study that was

557
00:26:15,785 --> 00:26:17,745
done statewide to determine um
functionality

558
00:26:17,778 --> 00:26:20,356
of jails across the state and
feasibility of

559
00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:24,923
any sort of regional initiatives.

560
00:26:25,282 --> 00:26:27,212
Um, and I I can send all of you this
PowerPoint

561
00:26:27,245 --> 00:26:28,717
after the meeting today,

562
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:32,285
but uh Kelly touched on what the uh
State Department

563
00:26:32,318 --> 00:26:37,118
of Corrections should be doing based
on that jail study

564
00:26:37,151 --> 00:26:40,766
regarding regionalization or um
treatment

565
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,457
and alternatives for jail needs
because those

566
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:48,034
mental health components.

567
00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:53,303
we touched on the uh age of of jails

568
00:26:53,336 --> 00:26:56,911
and the life expectancy of those

569
00:26:56,944 --> 00:26:59,502
and then those highlighted on the
screens are the jails

570
00:26:59,535 --> 00:27:02,591
that were or the counties with the
jails that were

571
00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:05,412
involved in this meeting.

572
00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:08,242
So, um, I see Anny County being one
of the oldest

573
00:27:08,275 --> 00:27:10,743
in in that group.

574
00:27:10,776 --> 00:27:14,750
Um, but across the state there are
many, many aging jails,

575
00:27:14,783 --> 00:27:18,460
so lots of counties are having these
same conversations.

576
00:27:19,182 --> 00:27:22,228
Say, did they mention anything of
why, why does it say

577
00:27:22,261 --> 00:27:24,520
30-year life expectancy?

578
00:27:24,553 --> 00:27:27,108
Did they anybody touch on that at
all, why that's that?

579
00:27:27,141 --> 00:27:27,974
Um,

580
00:27:28,007 --> 00:27:30,303
they did not. And we did talk about
the studies

581
00:27:30,336 --> 00:27:32,795
that are done to determine, um, you
know,

582
00:27:32,828 --> 00:27:35,187
what the best route is for counties
to do that receive

583
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:37,877
like that that that letter from the
state saying

584
00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:39,133
that their jail is out of compliance.

585
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:40,628
They'll have to close.

586
00:27:40,661 --> 00:27:43,937
And if it's, um, more fiscally
responsible to

587
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:47,544
build or, um, transport, and for
those studies,

588
00:27:47,577 --> 00:27:52,139
they go off of a 30-year lifespan.

589
00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:55,397
I, I, I agree with where I think
you're going.

590
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:57,610
30 years doesn't seem like a very
long time.

591
00:27:57,643 --> 00:27:59,603
If I buy a house, I hope it

592
00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:01,098
lasts 100 years

593
00:28:01,131 --> 00:28:03,350
and my kids want to move into it
someday too.

594
00:28:03,383 --> 00:28:06,679
Um, I think specifically with jails
is

595
00:28:06,712 --> 00:28:11,462
uh because of the changes in
requirements for those jails,

596
00:28:11,495 --> 00:28:13,778
and we we see that with our own jail.

597
00:28:13,907 --> 00:28:17,033
Structurally, well, Dan might
disagree after this morning,

598
00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:20,302
but structurally, it's sound. It's a
concrete building.

599
00:28:20,335 --> 00:28:23,521
But we're having issues with wiring,
um,

600
00:28:23,554 --> 00:28:28,338
with the technology within the
building, with, um,

601
00:28:28,886 --> 00:28:31,992
the, the service of inmates. We have
a whole portion of the jail

602
00:28:32,025 --> 00:28:34,782
that isn't used anymore because
judges don't

603
00:28:34,815 --> 00:28:37,732
order that type of sentencing.

604
00:28:37,765 --> 00:28:40,961
So, um, I think they use 30 years
because it seems like

605
00:28:40,994 --> 00:28:44,449
a reasonable time frame for life
expectancy given

606
00:28:44,482 --> 00:28:48,077
frequent changes.

607
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:49,000
I'm not saying I agree with it.

608
00:28:49,033 --> 00:28:50,993
I just wanted to bring that up.

609
00:28:51,026 --> 00:28:53,634
I mean, it it's a ridiculous number.

610
00:28:53,667 --> 00:28:56,514
It and and I'm not, that's not
pointed at you or anybody.

611
00:28:56,547 --> 00:28:58,507
Yeah, I mean, we're building a
highway building

612
00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:01,141
hoping it will last a heck of a lot
longer than 30 years.

613
00:29:01,221 --> 00:29:04,477
I mean, we're hoping for 75 years
from the building

614
00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:06,310
that's going to go up.

615
00:29:06,343 --> 00:29:08,264
So to say 30 years

616
00:29:08,297 --> 00:29:11,254
and then what's what's the average
cost?

617
00:29:11,287 --> 00:29:12,479
Did they bring that up?

618
00:29:12,512 --> 00:29:13,795
We didn't talk, but isn't it like 50
million or

619
00:29:13,828 --> 00:29:15,459
something like that?

620
00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:17,656
Yeah. So 50 million every 30 years.

621
00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:18,522
Jeez.

622
00:29:18,555 --> 00:29:20,804
Well, and and you got to that's 50
million today.

623
00:29:20,837 --> 00:29:23,495
Next year it's going to be at 5%.

624
00:29:23,528 --> 00:29:26,903
The year after that is add another
5%. Something.

625
00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:27,769
Yep.

626
00:29:27,802 --> 00:29:28,676
Yeah.

627
00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:29,822
Anyway.

628
00:29:29,855 --> 00:29:33,589
Um, so, yes, Kelly touched on some of
the points

629
00:29:33,622 --> 00:29:37,974
that this uh jail study uh came
across like um

630
00:29:38,007 --> 00:29:42,060
bed space and uh benefits for
regionalizing, um,

631
00:29:42,093 --> 00:29:46,996
being able to pool and share staff
and resources.

632
00:29:49,169 --> 00:29:51,199
And and just raise the question of
does it make sense

633
00:29:51,232 --> 00:29:54,268
for all 87 counties to have a jail?

634
00:29:54,301 --> 00:29:56,520
Currently not all 87 do.

635
00:29:56,553 --> 00:30:00,168
Um, 77 do. There is some
regionalization

636
00:30:00,201 --> 00:30:03,387
throughout the state, specifically in
in much

637
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:05,304
smaller counties.

638
00:30:06,487 --> 00:30:10,265
and then there are a few slides here
and then there are a few slides here
and again I'll I'll share this with
all of you.

639
00:30:10,394 --> 00:30:16,131
One thing that I want to touch on
when I click through these slides
that have specific information to the
counties.

640
00:30:16,164 --> 00:30:23,140
It was noted during the meeting that
perhaps the data within these slides
is not exactly accurate.

641
00:30:23,290 --> 00:30:26,217
Um, it's the data's pulled from a a
statewide

642
00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:28,977
uh Department of Corrections report,

643
00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:33,831
but um perhaps the way counties do
their reporting is not consistent.

644
00:30:33,864 --> 00:30:40,292
So there will be some um variable
data in this that shouldn't be
considered.

645
00:30:40,398 --> 00:30:45,797
There was a lot of discussion on that
about the inconsistencies of it and I
can't remember if it was Cannabic or
Pine mentioned.

646
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:50,773
I think it was Cannabic that that's
their whole budget for a particular
area, not just the jails.

647
00:30:51,859 --> 00:30:53,949
So, I mean, whatever it's it's flawed
data.

648
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,550
But ours was on track, it seemed
like, right?

649
00:30:56,583 --> 00:30:57,975
Correct. Ours was pretty accurate.

650
00:30:58,008 --> 00:31:02,230
Yep. Um, and and so this is
Commissioner Dove touched on it,

651
00:31:02,263 --> 00:31:05,081
the capacity of the jails throughout
the region

652
00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:06,865
that was here

653
00:31:06,898 --> 00:31:12,289
far exceeds what the average daily
population is within those jails.

654
00:31:12,947 --> 00:31:17,927
Um, Carlton County is a a brand new
jail built to house about 100 people,

655
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
but their average population is
around 25.

656
00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:25,062
Um, and so that is is part of what
spurred the

657
00:31:25,095 --> 00:31:28,162
you know, idea to have a conversation
about regionalizing

658
00:31:28,195 --> 00:31:33,623
because some of these counties on
this list have newer facilities.

659
00:31:33,656 --> 00:31:36,025
Um, some of us do not.

660
00:31:36,058 --> 00:31:41,180
Um, but all of us don't use our jails
to their full capacity.

661
00:31:42,675 --> 00:31:47,854
Not that we'd want to necessarily use
it to our full capacity, that would
increase our costs significantly.

662
00:31:47,887 --> 00:31:51,970
Um, and we'd have to ramp up staffing
and resources,

663
00:31:52,003 --> 00:31:56,049
but um space-wise it's not being
utilized.

664
00:31:56,378 --> 00:32:01,747
Um, just some more comparisons
amongst the counties.

665
00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:06,025
Um, one piece that was talked a lot
about was inmate classification.

666
00:32:06,105 --> 00:32:09,809
Uh, so determining which inmates can
be housed

667
00:32:09,842 --> 00:32:13,207
near one another.

668
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,719
Um, and what what jails are set up

669
00:32:15,752 --> 00:32:17,303
currently

670
00:32:17,336 --> 00:32:20,303
or um being constructed on how to set
them up

671
00:32:20,336 --> 00:32:24,070
so you don't have certain
classifications with others.

672
00:32:24,103 --> 00:32:26,352
You know, many of us can see like
males and females

673
00:32:26,385 --> 00:32:27,218
being separated,

674
00:32:27,251 --> 00:32:29,717
but there's a lot more that goes into
it when we talk

675
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:30,583
about violent offenders,

676
00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:32,932
sexual offenders, things like that.

677
00:32:32,965 --> 00:32:36,004
Um, so that was a a big part of the
conversation yesterday.

678
00:32:36,273 --> 00:32:40,648
Um, again, more about that
classification and and separation.

679
00:32:44,127 --> 00:32:47,203
I'm I'm just going to flip through
some of these that would be a lengthy

680
00:32:47,236 --> 00:32:49,744
conversation that I don't feel
equipped to answer

681
00:32:49,777 --> 00:32:53,544
and Wayne ever wants to chime in, you
please jump on in.

682
00:32:54,202 --> 00:33:00,859
Um, so one one other piece that was
talked about yesterday, um, and we've
had conversations about that here
too.

683
00:33:02,165 --> 00:33:05,241
is the the factors that lead into
jails and their

684
00:33:05,274 --> 00:33:10,094
um daily populations.

685
00:33:10,127 --> 00:33:13,014
There's significant changes in um how
the courts

686
00:33:13,047 --> 00:33:16,054
handle um sentencing,

687
00:33:16,087 --> 00:33:22,595
jail is not being ordered nearly as
frequently or for as long as it has
in the past.

688
00:33:22,714 --> 00:33:25,621
Um, marijuana laws changed, which
means there's a

689
00:33:25,654 --> 00:33:27,126
a big pool of

690
00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:31,102
the population that used to be
arrested and put in jail for

691
00:33:31,135 --> 00:33:34,232
drug use that now

692
00:33:34,265 --> 00:33:35,358
are not.

693
00:33:35,391 --> 00:33:37,411
Um, that's now legal,

694
00:33:37,444 --> 00:33:39,613
so those people aren't serving time
in jail,

695
00:33:39,646 --> 00:33:42,763
even for a weekend, even for getting
caught on a Friday

696
00:33:42,796 --> 00:33:44,507
and spending a few days in our jail,

697
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:45,513
that's not happening anymore.

698
00:33:45,546 --> 00:33:48,785
That's a a legal thing now.

699
00:33:48,925 --> 00:33:54,256
So, um, we talked a lot about that,
we talked a lot about that, we talked
about, you know, sentence to serve
our our Huber.

700
00:33:54,655 --> 00:34:00,684
other jails have areas like that as
well that are just not being used,
they're vacant.

701
00:34:02,777 --> 00:34:05,249
Um, this touches on on court
hearings.

702
00:34:05,289 --> 00:34:07,916
So, I I think part of the reason why
this conversation

703
00:34:07,949 --> 00:34:09,571
took place

704
00:34:09,604 --> 00:34:12,979
and the timing that it took place of
of now versus

705
00:34:13,012 --> 00:34:15,630
you know, 10 years ago when many
counties started having

706
00:34:15,663 --> 00:34:17,643
conversations about jails

707
00:34:17,676 --> 00:34:23,566
is the fact that so many court
hearings take place remotely now.

708
00:34:23,895 --> 00:34:28,307
Um, 10 years ago, regionalization
probably couldn't even be considered

709
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:34,040
because it'd be an enormous amount of
transport back and forth for court
hearings.

710
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:38,764
Um, but now the majority of court
hearings are held remotely.

711
00:34:38,854 --> 00:34:42,867
And so that offers some potential for
um housing

712
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:46,697
at at different jails.

713
00:34:47,065 --> 00:34:49,673
But there's still a lot of
complications

714
00:34:49,706 --> 00:34:51,637
and you know, I think it was Wayne
brought up a good point

715
00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:52,872
during the meeting yesterday of

716
00:34:52,905 --> 00:34:55,782
no county theoretically is going to
get away from having

717
00:34:55,815 --> 00:34:59,662
any type of jail at all.

718
00:34:59,891 --> 00:35:04,640
and so if you have even an area for
for booking, um

719
00:35:04,806 --> 00:35:07,842
You have to have meal services, you
need a

720
00:35:07,875 --> 00:35:11,303
kitchen, you need staff. Um, so

721
00:35:11,891 --> 00:35:15,157
you can't fully get away from the
costs of operating

722
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:18,994
any type of facility, even if you do
some um,

723
00:35:19,027 --> 00:35:20,838
regionalization for some.

724
00:35:20,871 --> 00:35:22,462
We talked about, you know,

725
00:35:22,495 --> 00:35:25,103
regionalizing certain classification
of offenders

726
00:35:25,136 --> 00:35:26,890
at different jails, that sort of
thing.

727
00:35:27,627 --> 00:35:30,428
Um, and then it was just a lot of
discussion.

728
00:35:31,255 --> 00:35:36,125
So, that's a quick high-level
overview of what

729
00:35:36,158 --> 00:35:38,507
I saw the conversation being like
yesterday.

730
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,523
I will say, um,

731
00:35:40,653 --> 00:35:44,118
I had thought when we got the invite
for the meeting,

732
00:35:44,151 --> 00:35:45,732
um, and then all went,

733
00:35:45,765 --> 00:35:51,273
maybe we'd leave with some
significant next steps of

734
00:35:51,306 --> 00:35:54,044
like, let's we're we're moving
forward with this

735
00:35:54,077 --> 00:35:56,446
conversation of regionalization or
we're

736
00:35:56,479 --> 00:35:59,409
not because it just absolutely would
not work.

737
00:35:59,588 --> 00:36:02,355
More so, and and both of you, please,
you know,

738
00:36:02,388 --> 00:36:04,299
chime in if your opinion differs.

739
00:36:04,332 --> 00:36:09,331
I left more with the sense of
frustration with

740
00:36:09,364 --> 00:36:12,544
the DOC and with the

741
00:36:12,853 --> 00:36:17,264
the process of of jails becoming
outdated or

742
00:36:17,297 --> 00:36:20,573
or needing improvements, um, the lack
of offenders

743
00:36:20,606 --> 00:36:23,636
being sentenced to serve jail time.

744
00:36:23,745 --> 00:36:28,207
Um, it more so seemed like the next
steps were creating

745
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,233
some sort of task force or work group
to push the state,

746
00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:34,994
um, and law makers to have some
changes surrounding

747
00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:37,983
jails and funding and requirements
versus

748
00:36:38,016 --> 00:36:41,152
next steps of coming back together to
continue the

749
00:36:41,185 --> 00:36:43,238
conversation of regionalization.

750
00:36:43,637 --> 00:36:46,873
I uh, I'd like to ask our sheriff to
come up, please.

751
00:36:46,906 --> 00:36:49,175
if you would like. Um, and while
you're coming up,

752
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:52,245
a couple comments to piggyback off of
Amanda is,

753
00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:54,626
I talked to our attorney after the
meeting a little

754
00:36:54,659 --> 00:36:57,865
bit about what he sees as the future,
um, number of

755
00:36:57,898 --> 00:37:00,586
inmates going up or down, and he was
very clear with

756
00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:03,157
me that it's all depending on who's
the governor and

757
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:06,625
who's the state legislature and how
they uh, create laws.

758
00:37:06,658 --> 00:37:10,203
Obviously, the marijuana law changes
quite a bit.

759
00:37:10,236 --> 00:37:13,203
Um, the one I agree with Amanda's
frustration that

760
00:37:13,236 --> 00:37:15,445
there was really no clear next steps
direction.

761
00:37:15,478 --> 00:37:18,069
They're going to send a summary of it
to us and

762
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:20,916
the one thing I I wanted to mention
what I saw possibly

763
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,165
coming out of this is a feasibility
study.

764
00:37:24,198 --> 00:37:26,647
And so I just wanted to bring this
especially to

765
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,872
alert to our commissioners that

766
00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:31,909
I would expect they're going to ask
us to pony up if

767
00:37:31,942 --> 00:37:34,021
they go that direction. Um,

768
00:37:34,054 --> 00:37:36,752
and I would have a lot of questions
before I would

769
00:37:36,785 --> 00:37:38,646
feel comfortable throwing dollars at
it because I

770
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,247
think we need to think of Isanti
County and what

771
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,316
is our geographical area we work
with, you know,

772
00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:46,259
depending on the sheriff's input and
all that, but I

773
00:37:46,292 --> 00:37:48,671
don't know if it's should be based
out of Pine County.

774
00:37:48,704 --> 00:37:51,312
And Wayne, appreciate you coming here
and you being

775
00:37:51,345 --> 00:37:53,395
there yesterday. You asked a lot of
good questions and

776
00:37:53,428 --> 00:37:54,983
comments. Um,

777
00:37:55,182 --> 00:37:57,142
two things I would like to make sure
you cover with us

778
00:37:57,175 --> 00:37:59,394
or I'm going to ask them afterwards
otherwise. Um,

779
00:37:59,427 --> 00:38:01,826
your idea with the state legislators,
I thought that

780
00:38:01,859 --> 00:38:04,078
was fascinating. I want I'd like the
full board to hear

781
00:38:04,111 --> 00:38:07,377
that. And anything else you think us
as a commissioner,

782
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:09,141
commissioning board should think
about big picture

783
00:38:09,174 --> 00:38:11,672
about how we go forward. Like I said,
I think this

784
00:38:11,705 --> 00:38:13,536
is just something on the tip of our
radar just the

785
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:16,247
beginning. If there's something more
urgent, we

786
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,931
should be aware of, bring that to our
attention. The floor's yours.

787
00:38:19,592 --> 00:38:21,825
So there's a lot to talk about. Um,

788
00:38:21,865 --> 00:38:25,090
So one of the biggest issues that we
have with uh, our

789
00:38:25,123 --> 00:38:28,661
jail when we talk about
classification is um,

790
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,459
there was the list. I don't know if
you want to bring

791
00:38:31,492 --> 00:38:33,960
that back up or not, but like how you
classify somebody

792
00:38:33,993 --> 00:38:36,392
based on their history or what the
potential crime

793
00:38:36,425 --> 00:38:38,853
was they committed. But there's more
than that, too.

794
00:38:38,886 --> 00:38:41,803
So think about the homicide that we
had a few years ago

795
00:38:41,836 --> 00:38:43,717
where we had four people in custody
for that.

796
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:46,378
They may all classify the same, but
now they're

797
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:48,271
co-conspirators and even though
they're same

798
00:38:48,304 --> 00:38:50,115
classification, we can't put them
together.

799
00:38:50,148 --> 00:38:52,776
So sometimes your classifications are
are

800
00:38:52,809 --> 00:38:54,609
even more complicated than just what
was the crime

801
00:38:54,642 --> 00:38:57,171
committed. The easy way to look at it
is, you don't

802
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:59,184
put a man with a woman in the same
cell, right?

803
00:38:59,217 --> 00:39:01,605
Obviously, that's two different
classifications.

804
00:39:01,638 --> 00:39:04,864
But it expands and that was one of
the things is

805
00:39:04,897 --> 00:39:07,655
where do you put certain people and
that's where the

806
00:39:07,688 --> 00:39:09,840
the mental health part of it came up.

807
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,036
Um, for the last few years and I've
been to the capital

808
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:15,169
a few times with the sheriff's
fighting uh,

809
00:39:15,202 --> 00:39:16,664
with the 48-hour rule.

810
00:39:16,697 --> 00:39:18,966
And what that is if you're not
familiar with it is

811
00:39:18,999 --> 00:39:21,447
essentially when you're arrested
without a warrant,

812
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,361
you have 48 hours to be seen or heard
by a judge.

813
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:26,822
Uh, it's a it's a constitutional
right.

814
00:39:27,948 --> 00:39:32,303
Well, the issue that we're having is
sometimes people

815
00:39:32,443 --> 00:39:35,858
are um, heard by the judge and they
go through the

816
00:39:35,891 --> 00:39:37,811
court proceedings and then they go
through what's

817
00:39:37,844 --> 00:39:40,183
called a rule 20 which assesses their
mental

818
00:39:40,216 --> 00:39:42,834
capacity and if they have any mental
illness.

819
00:39:42,867 --> 00:39:45,086
And when they're found not to hold or
have that

820
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,445
capacity be held accountable for the
crimes,

821
00:39:48,478 --> 00:39:50,737
we no longer have mental health
facilities like

822
00:39:50,770 --> 00:39:52,431
we once did, and that is because the
legislature

823
00:39:52,464 --> 00:39:54,338
took that away.

824
00:39:54,517 --> 00:39:57,115
So now you have an individual who was
arrested

825
00:39:57,148 --> 00:39:59,407
on a crime, who's gone through the
court proceedings,

826
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,660
found to not be competent to stand
trial,

827
00:40:01,693 --> 00:40:03,188
but we can't release that.

828
00:40:03,237 --> 00:40:08,220
person because they're a danger to um
the people, society.

829
00:40:08,619 --> 00:40:11,110
So where do they stay? They stay in
our jail.

830
00:40:11,509 --> 00:40:12,672
And why are they in our jail?

831
00:40:12,705 --> 00:40:16,093
Because they're not being they're not
being charged with a crime anymore.

832
00:40:16,193 --> 00:40:19,349
So we have one of those individuals
in our jail now.

833
00:40:19,382 --> 00:40:22,140
We have another one that's going
through a rule 20 right now.

834
00:40:22,173 --> 00:40:23,634
It's very likely we're going to have
two.

835
00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:27,155
And that's not unusual for any of the
jails.

836
00:40:27,554 --> 00:40:30,312
So the problem with that is, you
know, our correctional

837
00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:33,401
officers are wonderful and they're
very, very good at their job

838
00:40:33,434 --> 00:40:35,593
and trained well on how to do their
job.

839
00:40:35,626 --> 00:40:37,487
But they are not mental health
professionals.

840
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,872
Um, we can care short time for
individuals and their immediate
needs,

841
00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:44,563
but their long-term needs, we're not
we're not trained for that.

842
00:40:44,596 --> 00:40:49,446
That's that should be something that
um, that's why we have facilities

843
00:40:49,479 --> 00:40:52,967
for that and doctors and staff that
are trained specifically for that.

844
00:40:53,067 --> 00:40:55,525
So, one of the individuals that we
have in custody now

845
00:40:55,558 --> 00:40:56,821
has been here six months

846
00:40:56,854 --> 00:41:01,006
and is number 16 on the bed for a
waiting list.

847
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,192
So, think about that. Six months
already and and number 16.

848
00:41:05,225 --> 00:41:07,684
How much longer are we going to have
that individual here

849
00:41:07,717 --> 00:41:09,378
who shouldn't be in the jail to begin
with?

850
00:41:09,411 --> 00:41:13,165
So, so so he has to be somewhere is
the thing.

851
00:41:13,198 --> 00:41:15,457
Has to be somewhere. That so?

852
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:20,141
Right. We can't release him because
this person is dangerous to the
public.

853
00:41:20,174 --> 00:41:23,131
But the legislature took away our
mental health facilities,

854
00:41:23,164 --> 00:41:27,117
our hospitals, um, things, places
like Mead.

855
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:28,911
So, the jails are stuck with him.

856
00:41:28,944 --> 00:41:32,897
You know, and that's a liability for
the jail, for for us,

857
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:35,090
um, anything that happens to those
individuals.

858
00:41:35,123 --> 00:41:39,475
So we've been fighting with the
legislatures trying to find a remedy

859
00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:43,760
to this and there are some very proud
legislatures that are are

860
00:41:43,793 --> 00:41:46,550
like I said, proud that they got rid
of these treatment facilities.

861
00:41:46,583 --> 00:41:50,337
Um, sometimes I think what looks good
on paper doesn't make sense in
reality.

862
00:41:50,370 --> 00:41:53,427
And if you're not in reality, if you
don't see it first-hand,

863
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:56,417
you don't know. So, what is their
answer then?

864
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:59,805
They don't have an answer. So, what
we got was about $50 million

865
00:41:59,838 --> 00:42:03,592
in the last uh legislative session to
try to help.

866
00:42:03,625 --> 00:42:07,479
But $50 million in the grand scheme
of things, 77 jails in the state

867
00:42:07,512 --> 00:42:11,465
with all with mental health people,
it did nothing. It did nothing.

868
00:42:11,498 --> 00:42:14,455
Um, the other individual that we have
is going through a rule 20

869
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:19,039
and if that person is also found to
be, you know, unable to be held

870
00:42:19,072 --> 00:42:22,826
accountable or stand trial or has a
mental illness,

871
00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:25,019
we're stuck with the second person in
our facility.

872
00:42:25,052 --> 00:42:26,912
And that is a separate
classification.

873
00:42:26,945 --> 00:42:30,699
You don't put someone like that with,
you know, a DUI arrest.

874
00:42:30,732 --> 00:42:32,991
They they need special treatment.

875
00:42:33,024 --> 00:42:36,180
So that really breaks up your jail
and how much space you have,

876
00:42:36,213 --> 00:42:38,672
how much room you have, where do you
put certain people?

877
00:42:38,705 --> 00:42:42,658
Um, we don't have this often, but
like I said, men and women.

878
00:42:42,691 --> 00:42:44,651
What if you have somebody who's
transgender?

879
00:42:44,684 --> 00:42:45,847
Where do you put that person?

880
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,531
You know, and and still respect their
privacy and their rights,

881
00:42:50,564 --> 00:42:54,318
and how do you sell them up with
somebody, you know, and so sometimes

882
00:42:54,351 --> 00:42:58,703
it's it's really, really difficult to
move on with the classification.

883
00:42:58,736 --> 00:43:00,497
So one of the conversations were,

884
00:43:00,530 --> 00:43:02,789
and and I asked this because I wanted
clarity.

885
00:43:02,822 --> 00:43:05,580
Are we saying just for the sake of
argument that, okay,

886
00:43:05,613 --> 00:43:08,669
Pine County is going to hold all of
our our male in custodies

887
00:43:08,702 --> 00:43:11,559
and our county would hold, hold all
females

888
00:43:11,592 --> 00:43:13,054
or what are we talking about?

889
00:43:13,087 --> 00:43:16,741
Um, and they said, you know, that's
one of the things that we could
discuss.

890
00:43:16,774 --> 00:43:20,230
The problem I think with that and all
the ideas are great

891
00:43:20,263 --> 00:43:23,518
and they need to be talked about. But
the problem with that is

892
00:43:23,551 --> 00:43:26,508
um, number one, if you had a regional
facility,

893
00:43:26,541 --> 00:43:31,491
Let's just say, let's just say Isanti
County no longer had a jail.

894
00:43:31,524 --> 00:43:36,407
And we house all of our inmates in
Pine County or or wherever.

895
00:43:36,507 --> 00:43:41,457
Now we're looking at taking a deputy
off of the road to transport someone

896
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:45,343
all the way to Pine County to book
them in, process them, and then

897
00:43:45,376 --> 00:43:46,838
return to duty here.

898
00:43:46,871 --> 00:43:50,426
So you short the staff, you short
public safety. It doesn't make sense.

899
00:43:50,459 --> 00:43:52,619
And that's why Amanda was saying and
I had said,

900
00:43:52,652 --> 00:43:56,505
it would make sense that every county
have at least what they call

901
00:43:56,538 --> 00:43:59,894
a class one jail, which means that
you could hold somebody for up to

902
00:43:59,927 --> 00:44:01,189
72 hours here.

903
00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:03,980
to at least process them, book them
in,

904
00:44:04,013 --> 00:44:08,365
and then you would have to transport
them later to your regional facility.

905
00:44:08,398 --> 00:44:12,949
But that would still require a
medical, food service, inmate

906
00:44:12,982 --> 00:44:17,533
or corrections officers for the
inmates, the care, transport
vehicles,

907
00:44:17,566 --> 00:44:21,420
And if you, if you board inmates in
another facility,

908
00:44:21,453 --> 00:44:24,410
it would only make sense that you
have to pay for that, right?

909
00:44:24,443 --> 00:44:29,393
So, essentially we'd be paying for
our jail that we have existing

910
00:44:29,426 --> 00:44:32,283
and adding more to move them.

911
00:44:32,316 --> 00:44:35,372
Whereas right now we have what's
called a class three jail,

912
00:44:35,405 --> 00:44:38,163
which is full service. So we can
house everybody.

913
00:44:38,196 --> 00:44:40,355
And we've got plenty of room to do
it.

914
00:44:40,388 --> 00:44:43,943
The problem is, and I'm not saying
any judge in particular,

915
00:44:43,976 --> 00:44:47,331
but judges overall are not sentencing
people to jail.

916
00:44:47,364 --> 00:44:49,623
We have a 111 bed facility.

917
00:44:49,656 --> 00:44:53,211
A big part of it is meant for a
sentence to serve, which is a program

918
00:44:53,244 --> 00:44:54,307
that we don't even run anymore.

919
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:58,294
It's too expensive and even if we did
or could afford it,

920
00:44:58,327 --> 00:45:01,084
we don't have the inmate population
to put in there.

921
00:45:01,117 --> 00:45:02,559
And it's frustrating because

922
00:45:02,592 --> 00:45:06,117
pre-COVID our population was 50 to 60
inmates.

923
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:09,057
Now we're averaging, I would say 25.
Today we had 28, you know,

924
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:12,279
in in custody last Tuesday when I
checked it was 28.

925
00:45:12,677 --> 00:45:14,372
That's half of what we're used to.

926
00:45:14,571 --> 00:45:17,760
We can we can facilitate many more.

927
00:45:18,059 --> 00:45:21,315
But we can't if the judges aren't
putting them in jail.

928
00:45:21,348 --> 00:45:24,105
And again, I'm not cutting on the
judges. It's just the way the

929
00:45:24,138 --> 00:45:26,995
court systems are working right now.
They're more about rehabilitation

930
00:45:27,028 --> 00:45:28,722
and treatment versus incarceration.

931
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,211
That's just the the movement right
now in the legislature.

932
00:45:32,808 --> 00:45:35,965
So, when we continue to go to the
capital every year, we continue

933
00:45:35,998 --> 00:45:41,479
to fight for the 48-hour rule and the
violations that are in place

934
00:45:41,977 --> 00:45:44,137
with it. Um, needs of the jail,

935
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:45,864
we need legislators who are going to
listen.

936
00:45:46,362 --> 00:45:50,847
And right now it's pretty, pretty
50/50 in the legislature, right?

937
00:45:50,946 --> 00:45:52,807
So, some do and some don't.

938
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,398
And we made some progress last year
like I said, which is great.

939
00:45:55,431 --> 00:45:57,690
But overall, it really didn't make
that much of a difference.

940
00:45:57,723 --> 00:45:59,816
We still have the same issues.

941
00:46:01,211 --> 00:46:04,866
So that that's the classification
issue, that's also the regional

942
00:46:04,899 --> 00:46:08,553
jail issue. I think that is going to
cost us a lot of money to

943
00:46:08,586 --> 00:46:09,914
house people.

944
00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:13,968
And right now our jail is equipped
and and set up to house everybody.

945
00:46:14,067 --> 00:46:16,825
And we've got plenty of space. It's
just we're not using a lot of the

946
00:46:16,858 --> 00:46:18,319
space because we can't.

947
00:46:18,352 --> 00:46:23,103
It's designated for certain things.
It serves is it's secured because

948
00:46:23,136 --> 00:46:24,797
it's a jail but it's non-secured,
right?

949
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:27,588
So, same with your your work release,
those people can come

950
00:46:27,621 --> 00:46:31,474
and go to work. So it's a different
part of the jail and how it's run.

951
00:46:31,507 --> 00:46:35,760
It's not like a a pod where you're
stuck within a a certain area.

952
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:38,185
Um, there's more freedom to move.

953
00:46:38,583 --> 00:46:41,241
Um, we can't put the general
population in there.

954
00:46:41,274 --> 00:46:43,367
Because obviously, we don't want them
walking out the door.

955
00:46:43,666 --> 00:46:48,018
So, our jail when the remodel was
done years ago to make it a

956
00:46:48,051 --> 00:46:49,645
111 bed facility,

957
00:46:50,243 --> 00:46:52,801
I don't want to say it was a waste of
money, but I'm going to be honest,

958
00:46:52,834 --> 00:46:56,322
it ended up being a waste of money
because we can't use it for what it
is.

959
00:46:57,219 --> 00:47:00,973
So, and even if we were to remodel it
to make it a secured facility,

960
00:47:01,006 --> 00:47:04,793
we don't have the population coming
from our judges to fill it.

961
00:47:04,893 --> 00:47:06,886
So, we're in a really, really tough
spot.

962
00:47:07,185 --> 00:47:09,943
Jails never ever make money. They
never will.

963
00:47:09,976 --> 00:47:13,829
I also think that if we got rid of
our jail, that our citizens would

964
00:47:13,862 --> 00:47:16,752
lose a sense of security that we
don't have a jail here.

965
00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:19,045
And that that's a big thing.

966
00:47:19,244 --> 00:47:22,898
Someone referenced was it a state
statute that jails cannot claim

967
00:47:22,931 --> 00:47:25,722
revenue in their financing, how they
deal with things.

968
00:47:26,021 --> 00:47:27,715
That was interesting, I thought. Did
you?

969
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:30,971
I don't yeah, I don't.

970
00:47:31,004 --> 00:47:34,259
I don't know if that's more of a an
accounting finance type of

971
00:47:34,292 --> 00:47:35,887
question, but I thought that was an
interesting comment.

972
00:47:37,481 --> 00:47:39,840
So you're and you're right, it's not
a revenue generator.

973
00:47:39,873 --> 00:47:43,229
No, it's always going to cost us
money to to have have a jail.

974
00:47:43,262 --> 00:47:45,853
Public safety is expensive and it
always will be.

975
00:47:46,052 --> 00:47:49,208
A revenue generator I suppose would
be applicable if somebody's taking

976
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:52,696
someone from our county and they're
charging us 500 and it's really

977
00:47:52,729 --> 00:47:53,693
costing them 300 a day.

978
00:47:53,726 --> 00:47:57,978
I heard it yesterday that Pine County
is housing a couple dozen

979
00:47:58,011 --> 00:48:00,104
of St. Louis Counties?

980
00:48:00,802 --> 00:48:02,695
And it's because of funding?

981
00:48:03,692 --> 00:48:07,180
Yeah, they had a yeah, a structure
issue.

982
00:48:08,376 --> 00:48:11,731
That brings up the inconsistency with
the Department of Corrections

983
00:48:11,764 --> 00:48:14,754
and I brought that up too and.

984
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:19,205
I I don't want to be disparaging when
I say this, but and and maybe

985
00:48:19,238 --> 00:48:22,693
you're not aware of it, but the
sheriff's association the majority,

986
00:48:22,726 --> 00:48:26,381
we had submitted a vote of no
confidence against the commissioner

987
00:48:26,414 --> 00:48:27,577
of corrections.

988
00:48:27,610 --> 00:48:31,563
Because of the inconsistency of how
the DOC is is run.

989
00:48:31,596 --> 00:48:35,051
And I can give you examples, so the
last three years we had a great

990
00:48:35,084 --> 00:48:37,277
inspector. We worked very, very well
with.

991
00:48:37,476 --> 00:48:40,532
But in the last three years, we've
been told that our jail is so old

992
00:48:40,565 --> 00:48:42,924
that we can't house inmates from
other facilities.

993
00:48:42,957 --> 00:48:46,645
Uh, we have a new inspector now who I
think we're going to have a

994
00:48:47,442 --> 00:48:51,129
Who is saying, well, why can't you
house for other other agencies?

995
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:54,916
And my question was, well, you tell
me because we haven't done anything

996
00:48:55,514 --> 00:48:58,969
And what it comes down to is it's
it's based on the interpretation

997
00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:02,690
of the DLC inspector and how they
look at things and how they rule

998
00:49:03,188 --> 00:49:07,540
So, we may not change anything, or we
may change to meet one inspector's

999
00:49:07,573 --> 00:49:09,965
needs, another one comes in and says
something different.

1000
00:49:10,164 --> 00:49:12,356
And how how do you keep up with that?

1001
00:49:13,453 --> 00:49:16,542
And what I think the answer is, and
what and what the sheriff's

1002
00:49:17,539 --> 00:49:21,990
I personally believe that the DOC
should be running our prisons and

1003
00:49:22,023 --> 00:49:25,179
that the jail should be run by the
sheriffs, should be run through the

1004
00:49:25,212 --> 00:49:27,970
sheriff's association because the the
jail falls under the

1005
00:49:28,003 --> 00:49:29,498
responsibility of every sheriff
anyways.

1006
00:49:29,697 --> 00:49:33,850
That would take away the
inconsistency, the change of an

1007
00:49:33,883 --> 00:49:35,211
inspector from the DOC.

1008
00:49:35,776 --> 00:49:38,135
Um, that was brought before the
legislature and we didn't get any

1009
00:49:38,168 --> 00:49:39,497
traction with that.

1010
00:49:40,361 --> 00:49:41,756
No.

1011
00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,812
So nobody is even willing to discuss
it?

1012
00:49:44,845 --> 00:49:46,240
We'll continue to fight for it.

1013
00:49:46,539 --> 00:49:49,695
But you got to have legislatures who
are willing to look at the

1014
00:49:49,728 --> 00:49:52,918
big picture overall and we're just
not having luck with that right

1015
00:49:53,515 --> 00:49:57,004
Have you had this same conversation
with Jimmy Gordon or Mark Curran?

1016
00:49:57,203 --> 00:49:59,395
Not directly, but I know that they're
aware of it.

1017
00:50:02,192 --> 00:50:06,574
And I think that our state reps and
our senators are probably on board.

1018
00:50:06,607 --> 00:50:08,497
But you got to look at the entire
state

1019
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:13,271
and not everybody has the same views
as our representatives or senators.

1020
00:50:13,304 --> 00:50:17,466
No, but it's impossible to operate if
you're not getting consistency

1021
00:50:17,499 --> 00:50:19,473
from one inspector to another. I
mean,

1022
00:50:19,722 --> 00:50:21,503
It's just insanity.

1023
00:50:21,536 --> 00:50:22,738
Yep, it's difficult.

1024
00:50:22,771 --> 00:50:25,146
And when you, when you ask
commissioner about the 30-year rule,

1025
00:50:25,179 --> 00:50:26,508
that's a DOC thing.

1026
00:50:26,628 --> 00:50:30,143
So, if the sheriff's office or the
sheriff's office or the sheriff's
association was in charge of it

1027
00:50:30,176 --> 00:50:32,963
and you had a building that was
structurally sound

1028
00:50:32,996 --> 00:50:35,109
for the next 75 years, I don't think
that would be an issue.

1029
00:50:35,328 --> 00:50:38,026
It's basically how you run it and how
you maintain it.

1030
00:50:38,059 --> 00:50:39,531
Yep. You know. Wayne,

1031
00:50:39,564 --> 00:50:42,206
Question for you that maybe is more
applicable for Amanda,

1032
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,264
is AMC very helpful in helping you
with this?

1033
00:50:45,374 --> 00:50:48,042
I really have no affiliation with the
MC at all.

1034
00:50:48,075 --> 00:50:50,108
I I don't know. Okay, Amanda?

1035
00:50:50,526 --> 00:50:54,962
It's something that I've talked about
in various meetings, um, with AMC

1036
00:50:54,995 --> 00:51:01,187
but I don't think, you know, they AMC
functions on those legislative
priorities that are voted on

1037
00:51:01,220 --> 00:51:05,043
each year by commissioner by by their
um members.

1038
00:51:05,076 --> 00:51:07,640
So I don't know that this has gotten
enough traction to be a

1039
00:51:07,673 --> 00:51:10,873
legislative priority by the voting
members.

1040
00:51:10,906 --> 00:51:12,737
Could they be a helpful voice for
Wayne's desire

1041
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:16,168
to have the DOC be involved like you
said?

1042
00:51:16,976 --> 00:51:18,527
I wonder how AMC could help with
that.

1043
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,241
I think every voice would matter.

1044
00:51:20,274 --> 00:51:23,845
And one of the questions that you had
asked Mr. Chair was, you know, what

1045
00:51:23,878 --> 00:51:26,453
what about the commissioners, what
can we do?

1046
00:51:26,603 --> 00:51:28,712
So, you have 87 sheriffs in this
state

1047
00:51:28,745 --> 00:51:31,921
and the majority of us go to the
capital at least twice a year

1048
00:51:31,954 --> 00:51:34,074
and we can discuss these issues.

1049
00:51:34,107 --> 00:51:36,376
That's one sheriff for 87 counties.

1050
00:51:36,409 --> 00:51:39,276
What if you had five commissioners
also for 87 counties?

1051
00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:40,970
That's a lot of people.

1052
00:51:41,003 --> 00:51:43,392
And people will pay attention to
numbers.

1053
00:51:43,425 --> 00:51:44,837
It's true. It's good point.

1054
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:46,880
as commissioners, you fill that
capital building

1055
00:51:46,913 --> 00:51:50,182
and you talk to those legislatures
also and say, hey, listen,

1056
00:51:50,321 --> 00:51:54,148
We've just you you've taken the
sheriffs and multiply it by five.

1057
00:51:54,308 --> 00:51:56,301
Plus we would be there with you as
well.

1058
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:58,713
I think that's how you voice it.

1059
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,029
set it up. Good deal.

1060
00:52:01,374 --> 00:52:04,799
Yeah. I I'm not the one to set it up,
but we could we could figure it out.

1061
00:52:04,832 --> 00:52:07,390
I mean, there is a day that the
sheriffs go to the capital.

1062
00:52:07,423 --> 00:52:08,725
We call it the day on the hill.

1063
00:52:08,758 --> 00:52:10,310
We could probably do the same thing.

1064
00:52:10,343 --> 00:52:12,293
Our commissioners could do the same
thing.

1065
00:52:12,326 --> 00:52:14,538
for commissioners to have their day
on the hill.

1066
00:52:14,887 --> 00:52:16,070
Somebody has to start it.

1067
00:52:16,103 --> 00:52:18,721
Yeah. I'll be meeting with our
senator next week.

1068
00:52:18,754 --> 00:52:22,079
Can you give kind of a summary of
your proposed plan.

1069
00:52:22,112 --> 00:52:24,185
Now, Amanda's here on that.

1070
00:52:24,843 --> 00:52:27,800
The proposed plan that you had that
you're not getting any traction on,

1071
00:52:27,833 --> 00:52:30,979
like Commissioner Westerberg said
it'd be good to have kind of a
cheerleader,

1072
00:52:31,012 --> 00:52:35,208
a legislative cheerleader helping
you, helping this get more traction
at the capital.

1073
00:52:35,766 --> 00:52:37,676
And like you said, they're probably
both gonna be on board

1074
00:52:37,709 --> 00:52:39,051
with this idea anyway.

1075
00:52:39,084 --> 00:52:40,516
Let's just plug them in with the
particulars

1076
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:42,868
unless you've had those conversations
with those two.

1077
00:52:42,901 --> 00:52:45,858
Yeah, I I haven't directly had those
conversations. I certainly can.

1078
00:52:45,891 --> 00:52:47,692
I'm happy to get started and steer
them your way

1079
00:52:47,725 --> 00:52:49,506
if they want more DLs, of course.

1080
00:52:49,539 --> 00:52:51,496
Yep. That's a good idea.

1081
00:52:52,209 --> 00:52:54,867
When it comes to this regional thing
here,

1082
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:59,252
would there be any room for like cost
sharing, you know, um,

1083
00:52:59,285 --> 00:53:02,720
when it comes to it, like if we have
somebody in their jail or,

1084
00:53:02,753 --> 00:53:03,757
you know, some kind of cost sharing

1085
00:53:03,790 --> 00:53:07,006
or I suppose we have to pay if we
have somebody in their jail,

1086
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,414
but in turn, they would pay if we had
were housing some of their

1087
00:53:10,447 --> 00:53:11,932
inmates as well.

1088
00:53:12,012 --> 00:53:14,653
So it would be a cost sharing
essentially.

1089
00:53:14,792 --> 00:53:18,526
You you could potentially offset it
as far as the boarding, but like

1090
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,512
if we had an Anoka County in custody
in Pine County,

1091
00:53:22,545 --> 00:53:25,426
we're responsible for picking them up
to bring them to court.

1092
00:53:25,505 --> 00:53:28,346
We're responsible for their medical,
their needs.

1093
00:53:28,585 --> 00:53:30,794
And the other thing too, even though
if they're in Pine County

1094
00:53:30,827 --> 00:53:34,462
and something happens that inmate and
that person passes away,

1095
00:53:34,495 --> 00:53:38,003
that in-custody death reflects us,
not Pine County.

1096
00:53:38,132 --> 00:53:39,856
Really? Yes.

1097
00:53:39,976 --> 00:53:42,524
Well, that's a good point. And I
suppose with the Anoka County,

1098
00:53:42,557 --> 00:53:44,866
they're already pretty set with what
they got going on, huh?

1099
00:53:44,899 --> 00:53:48,129
I honestly I think that other than
the battles we have with the

1100
00:53:48,162 --> 00:53:49,839
legislature and classification,

1101
00:53:49,872 --> 00:53:52,530
the 48-hour rules, I think all the
jails are sad.

1102
00:53:52,563 --> 00:53:55,191
It's just jails are stressful.
They're very hard to manage.

1103
00:53:55,224 --> 00:53:56,945
They're high they're high stress.

1104
00:53:56,978 --> 00:53:58,602
And they're not money makers.

1105
00:53:58,811 --> 00:54:01,977
But if we could just figure out what
the classification specifically

1106
00:54:02,010 --> 00:54:05,645
mental health and then as far as the
inconsistencies with the DOC,

1107
00:54:05,678 --> 00:54:08,508
it'd be a lot easier for sheriffs to
run them.

1108
00:54:09,265 --> 00:54:10,508
I have a few questions.

1109
00:54:10,541 --> 00:54:13,182
Um, where do they go to treatment
then if they get

1110
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:15,654
for medical assessed for

1111
00:54:16,301 --> 00:54:18,690
that they would need treatment
instead of going to jail.

1112
00:54:18,723 --> 00:54:20,102
Where do they go then?

1113
00:54:20,178 --> 00:54:22,906
So part of that rule 20 is all within
the court system,

1114
00:54:22,939 --> 00:54:26,802
so we have employees here in the
county that will help with that or
they'll

1115
00:54:26,835 --> 00:54:30,500
they'll outsource that to other
people who could come in and give
these

1116
00:54:30,533 --> 00:54:33,509
assessments to try to determine their
their capacity.

1117
00:54:33,542 --> 00:54:35,436
Um, anything that's medical,

1118
00:54:35,615 --> 00:54:38,303
Um, like if we have somebody who's in
our custody now,

1119
00:54:38,336 --> 00:54:39,970
we would bring them to Cambridge.

1120
00:54:40,708 --> 00:54:43,458
But if we had to bring them somewhere
else, we could.

1121
00:54:43,747 --> 00:54:46,717
What that opioid funding does that
cover?

1122
00:54:48,102 --> 00:54:50,830
So in terms of receiving mental
health treatment, um,

1123
00:54:50,863 --> 00:54:55,055
the facilities I think that Wayne is
referencing are probably St. Peter,

1124
00:54:55,088 --> 00:55:00,330
um, Mental Health Hospitals and also
Anoka Metro Regional Treatment
Center.

1125
00:55:00,363 --> 00:55:02,722
um, last year, I believe the
legislature

1126
00:55:02,755 --> 00:55:06,509
appropriated 50 million for uh Miller
building expansion.

1127
00:55:06,542 --> 00:55:09,649
So that is in the works. If you drive
past Anoka,

1128
00:55:09,682 --> 00:55:12,180
um, Metro Regional Treatment Center,

1129
00:55:12,213 --> 00:55:15,578
and the intent is to expand capacity
to alleviate

1130
00:55:15,611 --> 00:55:18,189
issues like the 48-hour rule where
people have been

1131
00:55:18,222 --> 00:55:22,797
found incompetent and do have mental
health and require treatment.

1132
00:55:22,917 --> 00:55:26,276
Um, it's it's taking time.

1133
00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:28,345
Yeah. Any other build out.

1134
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,968
Then, um, is that 55 million, is that
what?

1135
00:55:33,462 --> 00:55:35,113
The legislature granted 50 million.

1136
00:55:35,146 --> 00:55:38,166
50 million. Where is that then? Where
did that go?

1137
00:55:38,675 --> 00:55:39,837
I don't I don't know.

1138
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:41,731
Miller building expansion. Is my
understanding.

1139
00:55:41,764 --> 00:55:44,544
Okay. Oh, okay. Anoka, Anoka Metro.

1140
00:55:44,813 --> 00:55:46,677
Yeah. Okay, that's interesting.

1141
00:55:47,115 --> 00:55:50,002
Okay. What I would like to do today
is uh not

1142
00:55:50,035 --> 00:55:52,215
repeat yesterday where we kind of
walk away from this

1143
00:55:52,248 --> 00:55:55,536
conversation, frustrated or not
really knowing what our next steps.

1144
00:55:55,974 --> 00:55:56,807
[clears throat]

1145
00:55:56,882 --> 00:55:59,779
Um, I really like your idea of a next
step that seems

1146
00:55:59,812 --> 00:56:03,785
pretty reasonable is have a more of a
force of the commissioners

1147
00:56:03,818 --> 00:56:05,841
joining you at the capital on

1148
00:56:05,891 --> 00:56:07,991
I'm making it so I I think that would
be a nice

1149
00:56:08,024 --> 00:56:10,941
priority to take away from this. It'd
be a lot more effective

1150
00:56:10,974 --> 00:56:12,754
than what we came up with yesterday.

1151
00:56:12,787 --> 00:56:15,973
Yesterday I really give Pine County a
lot of credit for setting this up,

1152
00:56:16,006 --> 00:56:17,658
but we we talked a lot and

1153
00:56:17,691 --> 00:56:19,023
it was brainstorming and it was good,
but it

1154
00:56:19,056 --> 00:56:22,584
we never really walked away with,
what's do this or that.

1155
00:56:22,863 --> 00:56:26,976
Yeah, I would like to know more
options and possibilities.

1156
00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:28,354
It'd be nice to know.

1157
00:56:30,018 --> 00:56:32,500
That sound like a good takeaway for
us that

1158
00:56:32,669 --> 00:56:35,766
Yeah, if you guys would like, I I can
look into

1159
00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:37,978
what it would take to set up like a
day on the hill for

1160
00:56:38,011 --> 00:56:39,303
commissioners.

1161
00:56:39,336 --> 00:56:43,120
I mean, obviously I I can't tell
everybody in the state what to do,

1162
00:56:43,153 --> 00:56:45,781
but we could figure out what the
process is to do that.

1163
00:56:45,814 --> 00:56:47,874
Um, I think that after our meeting
yesterday,

1164
00:56:47,907 --> 00:56:50,824
that continue conversations are
important.

1165
00:56:50,857 --> 00:56:53,345
And I don't mean to be negative,

1166
00:56:53,378 --> 00:56:55,747
but I I had said too during that
meeting, we could start a task

1167
00:56:55,780 --> 00:56:57,820
force or some sort of a correlation

1168
00:56:57,853 --> 00:57:01,637
but if the legislature is going to
oppose anything we do or the

1169
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:03,314
DOC doesn't support it, then what's
the point of having it?

1170
00:57:03,862 --> 00:57:06,829
We need to start with the legislature
and start making changes,

1171
00:57:06,862 --> 00:57:10,766
you know, and and that's going to
require some sort of a group

1172
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:12,649
and and putting our voices together,

1173
00:57:12,682 --> 00:57:15,131
but the eight counties that were
there, that's not going to be

1174
00:57:15,164 --> 00:57:16,665
enough to change the legislature.

1175
00:57:16,698 --> 00:57:18,971
It's going to take a lot more of us.

1176
00:57:19,868 --> 00:57:21,688
Well, Sheriff, I appreciate your
comments.

1177
00:57:21,721 --> 00:57:24,947
I think the um next steps, I guess we
got two in your court.

1178
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:28,166
If you could just give me a summary
email of talking points

1179
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:30,568
with our Senator, I'd be very happy
to get that conversation

1180
00:57:30,601 --> 00:57:33,518
started with hopes of probably
getting them in direct contact with
you.

1181
00:57:33,551 --> 00:57:35,710
And then just keep us apprised of
when to get to the capital

1182
00:57:35,743 --> 00:57:37,404
when we can help with that.

1183
00:57:37,437 --> 00:57:39,457
I think that would be some great
steps. Be great.

1184
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:41,889
Sure. Anything else for the sheriff?

1185
00:57:41,922 --> 00:57:44,082
Um, no. Thank you. Good job. Thank
you for all your hard work.

1186
00:57:44,115 --> 00:57:45,609
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1187
00:57:46,656 --> 00:57:49,154
All right. I kind of figured that
might be more than a 10-minute

1188
00:57:49,187 --> 00:57:50,460
conversation.

1189
00:57:50,493 --> 00:57:53,213
A lot of good stuff. A very
interesting day.

1190
00:57:53,343 --> 00:57:56,210
Um, next up is discussion on data
centers as requested by

1191
00:57:56,243 --> 00:57:58,522
Commissioner Christensen.

1192
00:57:58,555 --> 00:58:02,817
Yeah, um, so this has been something
that's really come up,

1193
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:06,535
come up a lot as far as these these
large data centers and uh

1194
00:58:06,568 --> 00:58:09,664
my my concern is is that right now, I
mean,

1195
00:58:09,697 --> 00:58:12,614
I'd like to see personally a
moratorium,

1196
00:58:12,647 --> 00:58:15,165
kind of like the city of Vandy has
done. I believe there's was

1197
00:58:15,198 --> 00:58:17,092
30 months. Um,

1198
00:58:17,729 --> 00:58:22,892
just just to get a better
understanding of what is in involved.

1199
00:58:23,181 --> 00:58:27,533
Cuz I mean, I'm not against I'm not
against modern technology,

1200
00:58:27,566 --> 00:58:30,473
as long as it doesn't negatively
impact our residents.

1201
00:58:30,506 --> 00:58:33,542
And one of the things with these uh
these things, they

1202
00:58:33,575 --> 00:58:36,502
they consume, you know, millions of
gallons of water per day for

1203
00:58:36,535 --> 00:58:38,010
cooling,

1204
00:58:38,548 --> 00:58:40,419
competing with local drinking
supplies.

1205
00:58:40,452 --> 00:58:43,538
They demand immense power, driving up
utility costs for

1206
00:58:43,571 --> 00:58:44,986
residents and causing severe

1207
00:58:45,434 --> 00:58:47,395
air and noise pollution.

1208
00:58:47,428 --> 00:58:49,497
Now I'm referring to the very large
facilities.

1209
00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:52,032
There are some that are are smaller.

1210
00:58:52,421 --> 00:58:55,497
Um, I've also been told that we don't
have the um

1211
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:57,932
infrastructure for one. However,

1212
00:58:58,390 --> 00:59:01,476
um my understanding is that they can
supply their own uh

1213
00:59:01,509 --> 00:59:04,337
power with large generators.

1214
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:07,160
These can be very noisy facilities.

1215
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,901
And I think it would be very smart to
uh

1216
00:59:10,479 --> 00:59:11,894
cuz if they come in, if they come in
and buy some property

1217
00:59:12,302 --> 00:59:13,475
and they meet all the zoning

1218
00:59:13,508 --> 00:59:17,312
as you know, you know, there's not a
whole lot we can do about it.

1219
00:59:17,345 --> 00:59:20,740
But it'd be nice to have something in
place to give us time, um,

1220
00:59:20,773 --> 00:59:22,275
to

1221
00:59:22,308 --> 00:59:26,252
look at all the facts and what's
actually going on with them.

1222
00:59:26,285 --> 00:59:28,285
Just to give us some time to look at
it.

1223
00:59:28,318 --> 00:59:31,165
Maybe something for a sub committee
or something.

1224
00:59:31,198 --> 00:59:34,367
But but I mean, for right now, I
mean, if you look into these um,

1225
00:59:34,726 --> 00:59:37,094
these massive data centers.

1226
00:59:37,127 --> 00:59:41,280
It's uh again, I'm not against modern
technology. That's fine.

1227
00:59:41,313 --> 00:59:44,270
As long as we have a good
understanding of it and

1228
00:59:44,303 --> 00:59:48,256
maybe we can do some adjustments in
our zoning,

1229
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:50,857
you know, they have to provide more
information, whatever the

1230
00:59:50,890 --> 00:59:52,734
case may be. But I really think a

1231
00:59:53,212 --> 00:59:56,558
temporary moratorium and I've thought
like the city of Vania,

1232
00:59:56,591 --> 00:59:58,713
they had talked about one year, but
30 months really gives

1233
00:59:59,283 --> 01:00:02,133
guy a lot more time to look into it.

1234
01:00:02,241 --> 01:00:06,823
The problem with a moratorium and
I've had this discussion with our
county attorney many times

1235
01:00:06,856 --> 01:00:08,985
over the last several years is

1236
01:00:09,018 --> 01:00:13,981
you have to be able to articulate
what the emergency is to have a
moratorium.

1237
01:00:14,041 --> 01:00:19,051
Well, I mean, we could we could pass
something that says we don't have to
have them,

1238
01:00:19,084 --> 01:00:24,017
which is a totally different thing,
but a moratorium.

1239
01:00:24,136 --> 01:00:28,648
Okay. If if we do that, somebody can
challenge that and they'll be saying,
well, what's the emergency?

1240
01:00:28,681 --> 01:00:32,166
why are you doing this on that basis?

1241
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,268
Well, I think the emergency could be,
I think the emergency could be, I
mean, in theory, the emergency could
be a

1242
01:00:37,301 --> 01:00:42,740
the fact that the the lack of
knowing, you know, the impact in the
area.

1243
01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:47,433
I mean, maybe, um, until we could
determine what an impact study would
be

1244
01:00:47,466 --> 01:00:50,443
for it, be based on water
consumption, the noise.

1245
01:00:50,476 --> 01:00:55,476
I mean, I've I've watched quite a few
videos where, uh, holy macro, they
are noisy.

1246
01:00:55,509 --> 01:01:00,608
And and when, um, when they're told
how it's going to be initially,

1247
01:01:00,641 --> 01:01:03,130
it's never what it ends up being.

1248
01:01:03,163 --> 01:01:09,621
It's louder, more noisy, water
consumption, and the electric, the
cost of electric goes up.

1249
01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:15,670
I'm not saying it does in all cases,
but the large mega these mega data
centers.

1250
01:01:16,238 --> 01:01:18,856
So, I don't know, this is something
we should take seriously.

1251
01:01:18,889 --> 01:01:20,414
how you need to do it.

1252
01:01:20,613 --> 01:01:23,360
I don't know if a moratorium would be
the answer then.

1253
01:01:23,393 --> 01:01:26,310
Yeah. And and the other part about
that is

1254
01:01:26,343 --> 01:01:27,995
[gasp]

1255
01:01:28,028 --> 01:01:31,144
shockingly, I actually talked to
somebody that's in the process of

1256
01:01:31,177 --> 01:01:34,655
he's working on a project right now
in another state.

1257
01:01:34,745 --> 01:01:38,412
And he the company he works for has
been putting these up.

1258
01:01:38,771 --> 01:01:41,163
And he's been on these for several
years.

1259
01:01:41,312 --> 01:01:44,969
And and we talk specifically about
Isanti County.

1260
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,833
And he said, what you just brought up
was, we don't have the infrastructure
here.

1261
01:01:48,866 --> 01:01:54,065
We don't have the the things that are
needed to to do that right now in
Isanti County.

1262
01:01:54,098 --> 01:01:59,387
I'm not saying it's not possible for
it to happen, but that was his take
on that.

1263
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:04,861
I mean, the sheer size of some of
these places.

1264
01:02:05,061 --> 01:02:10,422
The the locations, um, that that's
all he's been doing.

1265
01:02:10,542 --> 01:02:13,678
Well, the city of Isanti still. I and

1266
01:02:13,711 --> 01:02:18,143
I understand that, but the city of
Isanti, they don't necessarily have
the infrastructure either.

1267
01:02:18,176 --> 01:02:24,491
However, to prevent, you know,
something from happening, they needed
to have more time to take a look at,

1268
01:02:24,524 --> 01:02:30,152
take a look at the impact and
everything of it and get a better
understanding of the data centers.

1269
01:02:30,185 --> 01:02:33,909
Oh, can do we have to, can we just
not allow it?

1270
01:02:33,942 --> 01:02:38,074
Yes, and that then that's actually
the probably the better approach.

1271
01:02:38,107 --> 01:02:44,047
Okay. We we have a lot of leeway on
what we can do that in that direction
with things.

1272
01:02:44,286 --> 01:02:48,322
We we have more liability if we go
the moratorium route.

1273
01:02:48,422 --> 01:02:52,136
Okay. Then I would I would make a
suggestion that we are not going
allow,

1274
01:02:52,169 --> 01:02:55,667
um, the large mega data centers.

1275
01:02:55,956 --> 01:03:00,548
Or at least, at least for now, at
least for now, at least until, you
know, they can be more proven.

1276
01:03:00,581 --> 01:03:06,208
Well, and I, I wish I had my zoning
book in front of me right now because
there's one ordinance I I'd pull up,

1277
01:03:06,241 --> 01:03:08,002
but I don't want to misquote, so.

1278
01:03:08,035 --> 01:03:09,500
Um,

1279
01:03:09,919 --> 01:03:12,536
this is something that we definitely
can look at though.

1280
01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:17,908
Because they because in theory they
can come in, um, maybe they're, you
know, time is on their side, they

1281
01:03:17,941 --> 01:03:21,356
could buy a piece of property with
the intent, you know, to do it.

1282
01:03:21,389 --> 01:03:23,432
I'm sorry, you don't want to do a
moratorium.

1283
01:03:23,502 --> 01:03:28,213
You know, so. We literally can pass
an ordinance that there might be
something in place like this already,

1284
01:03:28,246 --> 01:03:31,681
but I don't want to say for sure, my
memory's not perfect on this.

1285
01:03:31,714 --> 01:03:37,454
But we literally can say anything
that we don't list as something
allowed is not allowed.

1286
01:03:37,524 --> 01:03:41,507
Yeah, well, I think I think, uh, for
the sake of this, um, I would like to
see it actually say

1287
01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:45,596
mega data center.

1288
01:03:45,835 --> 01:03:47,088
I don't know if we

1289
01:03:47,121 --> 01:03:49,639
Go ahead. I think I think there'd
have to be, um, some

1290
01:03:49,672 --> 01:03:54,822
specifications in that what the
definition of mega data center is

1291
01:03:54,855 --> 01:03:58,422
compared to just a data center.

1292
01:03:58,512 --> 01:04:05,067
Um, the other piece of of why it
might be good for the subcommittee to
work on an actual ordinance.

1293
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:10,897
Uh, Commissioner Westerberg's correct
in that a moratorium is is for those
emergency situations.

1294
01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:15,630
But I've I've heard you mention 30
months a few times and I'd have to
confirm with the county attorney, but

1295
01:04:15,663 --> 01:04:20,793
typically the max time frame for a
moratorium is one year with the
potential

1296
01:04:20,826 --> 01:04:22,856
of extending it out six months.

1297
01:04:22,889 --> 01:04:26,124
But only for an additional year. I
think Minnesota statute caps it at
two years.

1298
01:04:26,157 --> 01:04:29,184
I, you know what? And I and I I
you're right, I stand corrected,

1299
01:04:29,217 --> 01:04:31,915
I believe there is it is something
like that.

1300
01:04:31,948 --> 01:04:38,163
But if if nothing else, because I
mean, we do want to stay, um, you
know, obviously the United States
wants to stay up on their

1301
01:04:38,196 --> 01:04:45,172
technology and all that stuff too,
but again, this cannot be at the
sacrifice of our our residents
either.

1302
01:04:46,059 --> 01:04:48,341
So, and and again, I

1303
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:53,112
you know, we have so much leeway as
far as what we want to pass for an
ordinance.

1304
01:04:53,145 --> 01:04:58,008
I mean, we can't I don't even want to
say the things we can't do, I guess,
but.

1305
01:04:58,787 --> 01:05:01,086
Uh, we have things that, like I said,

1306
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,059
we can literally say anything

1307
01:05:03,092 --> 01:05:04,713
not listed is not allowed.

1308
01:05:04,746 --> 01:05:07,905
And that's that would cover that.
Right.

1309
01:05:07,975 --> 01:05:10,483
And so you don't have to define large
or small or medium.

1310
01:05:10,516 --> 01:05:11,349
No.

1311
01:05:11,382 --> 01:05:12,853
You can just say a word data center.

1312
01:05:12,886 --> 01:05:15,126
So, okay, and let's let's just say
this, okay.

1313
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,625
so let's just for the sake of
argument, um,

1314
01:05:17,658 --> 01:05:20,059
if we say don't say large, that's
fine.

1315
01:05:20,092 --> 01:05:21,444
So you got data center.

1316
01:05:21,477 --> 01:05:24,202
But they still have the right to come
in and if they can show that

1317
01:05:24,235 --> 01:05:27,174
it is truly not going to have a
negative impact,

1318
01:05:27,207 --> 01:05:28,388
it's something we could allow.

1319
01:05:28,421 --> 01:05:29,735
something we could allow.

1320
01:05:29,768 --> 01:05:33,164
Well, if it's not allowed, it's not
allowed. Okay. Right.

1321
01:05:33,197 --> 01:05:36,585
if we don't have it on a list of
things that are allowed. Right.

1322
01:05:37,273 --> 01:05:38,917
then it's not allowed. Right.

1323
01:05:39,176 --> 01:05:42,041
Yeah, it's just it's something that I
don't think we should um,

1324
01:05:42,074 --> 01:05:43,458
sweep under the rug.

1325
01:05:43,491 --> 01:05:46,526
I've I've got a lot of um, a lot of
people that are

1326
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:49,308
concerned about this.

1327
01:05:49,341 --> 01:05:50,255
Yep.

1328
01:05:50,288 --> 01:05:51,521
the noise factor alone

1329
01:05:51,554 --> 01:05:54,598
The noise factor and the massive
water. I mean, imagine that,

1330
01:05:54,631 --> 01:05:58,181
potentially millions of gallons per
day of water for cooling.

1331
01:05:58,380 --> 01:06:01,475
The other thing though is, now this
is a different topic,

1332
01:06:01,508 --> 01:06:03,468
but solar fields, for example,

1333
01:06:03,501 --> 01:06:06,878
we only have say over up to a certain
size and anything over

1334
01:06:06,911 --> 01:06:10,855
I'm I don't know if it's 48 acres,
somebody could correct me on that.

1335
01:06:10,888 --> 01:06:13,633
Anything over that, we have no say in
it. state controls that

1336
01:06:13,666 --> 01:06:17,066
completely or the federal government.
I think it's the state.

1337
01:06:18,133 --> 01:06:21,418
And we may run into that problem with
data centers too. That's true.

1338
01:06:21,451 --> 01:06:23,998
But at the same time if we have
something in place ahead of time

1339
01:06:24,031 --> 01:06:25,784
and hopefully other counties might
follow suit,

1340
01:06:25,817 --> 01:06:29,042
it's going to make it harder for them
to, you know,

1341
01:06:29,075 --> 01:06:31,876
Solar was a little bit different
thing, so.

1342
01:06:32,663 --> 01:06:35,259
But again, I don't I don't want to I
don't want to sweep it under

1343
01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:37,727
the rug, I think it's something that
we need to address.

1344
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:38,593
Yep.

1345
01:06:38,626 --> 01:06:41,393
Yeah, no, we can look at that for
sure. It's not a problem.

1346
01:06:41,426 --> 01:06:44,233
I want to say I concur with Todd's
comments.

1347
01:06:44,266 --> 01:06:46,795
How fast can we push this through
Planning Commission?

1348
01:06:46,828 --> 01:06:50,173
is it kind of a simple just, well,
the wording of something?

1349
01:06:50,206 --> 01:06:53,046
The problem you run into on all that
stuff is

1350
01:06:53,634 --> 01:06:56,589
when you when you go if you're in a
hurry, you're going to have

1351
01:06:56,622 --> 01:07:01,225
somebody asking the question after
you're done, what about this?

1352
01:07:01,258 --> 01:07:04,922
Oh, we we didn't see that. Somebody
didn't ask the right question.

1353
01:07:04,955 --> 01:07:06,889
I'm not saying that it can't be done.

1354
01:07:07,128 --> 01:07:10,541
But I'm I really want to take a look
and see what we have for an

1355
01:07:10,574 --> 01:07:13,955
ordinance on the books right now that
may cover that already.

1356
01:07:14,094 --> 01:07:16,720
Yeah, because you could have a, you
could have a, you know, this

1357
01:07:16,753 --> 01:07:18,616
is where the thing I see you could
get complicated.

1358
01:07:18,649 --> 01:07:21,803
because you could have a small, a
small data center that would be

1359
01:07:21,836 --> 01:07:25,492
totally fine and not, uh, you know,
not affect anything, but

1360
01:07:25,525 --> 01:07:26,358
Okay.

1361
01:07:26,391 --> 01:07:27,833
So, but, but

1362
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:32,248
per Amanda's statement, where where's
the definition? Right. Right.

1363
01:07:32,607 --> 01:07:35,806
So and maybe that's something the sub
committee can look in at, you know.

1364
01:07:36,005 --> 01:07:38,780
Because I there was one that, one
that caught my eye, I

1365
01:07:38,813 --> 01:07:41,471
because I've done a lot of studying
on this is they were in a rural

1366
01:07:41,504 --> 01:07:44,244
area. In fact, they went in on a, um,
if I remember right,

1367
01:07:44,277 --> 01:07:48,801
it was an opportunity zone like we
had an opportunity zone potential.

1368
01:07:48,981 --> 01:07:52,708
And they went in and they set up the,
uh, they set up a data center there.

1369
01:07:52,937 --> 01:07:55,922
um, without really much
infrastructure, but they had massive,

1370
01:07:55,955 --> 01:07:58,166
I mean, massive generators,

1371
01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,607
you know, that were able to be heard
for a long ways and

1372
01:08:01,667 --> 01:08:02,671
Well,

1373
01:08:02,704 --> 01:08:03,906
So,

1374
01:08:03,939 --> 01:08:06,936
Yeah, and I again, I think it's
something to look at.

1375
01:08:06,969 --> 01:08:09,575
I mean, I'm going to be in zoning
office all afternoon, so I'll

1376
01:08:09,608 --> 01:08:11,753
bring that up, but

1377
01:08:15,191 --> 01:08:17,946
Right now it's the kind of thing that
I it's not something like it's

1378
01:08:17,979 --> 01:08:19,696
going to happen next week.

1379
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:20,562
Yeah.

1380
01:08:20,595 --> 01:08:22,625
Well, just uh I'll just um

1381
01:08:22,658 --> 01:08:24,034
Let me change that.

1382
01:08:24,223 --> 01:08:27,716
The County Board can pass anything
they want. We Jeff encourages me

1383
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:32,292
all the time to go through the normal
process. Right.

1384
01:08:32,325 --> 01:08:34,199
And and I agree with him on this.

1385
01:08:34,488 --> 01:08:38,262
But we do have the we we actually
could just do that.

1386
01:08:38,295 --> 01:08:40,907
I would advise against it heavily.

1387
01:08:40,940 --> 01:08:41,773
No.

1388
01:08:41,806 --> 01:08:42,639
So.

1389
01:08:42,672 --> 01:08:43,944
Well, I mean, I

1390
01:08:43,977 --> 01:08:46,703
I'd like to see it get through as as
soon as reasonably possible,

1391
01:08:46,736 --> 01:08:49,977
I guess would be my wording.

1392
01:08:50,047 --> 01:08:52,682
But I guess I go back to your comment
about we're probably not

1393
01:08:52,715 --> 01:08:54,518
set up with the infrastructure for us
to do it.

1394
01:08:54,551 --> 01:08:57,650
So maybe in some ways we don't have
to have this done yesterday.

1395
01:08:57,870 --> 01:08:59,198
The

1396
01:09:01,059 --> 01:09:04,912
Well, you're going to be challenged
maybe at some point and that's the

1397
01:09:04,945 --> 01:09:06,806
that's the point of this, yeah, is
getting ahead of the game before.

1398
01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:08,251
This is a great time to do it.

1399
01:09:08,284 --> 01:09:11,413
challenged Definitely.

1400
01:09:11,773 --> 01:09:12,606
Say that I'm I'm

1401
01:09:12,639 --> 01:09:14,629
You could be challenged in what way?

1402
01:09:14,662 --> 01:09:16,692
If we don't have something in place
wording-wise.

1403
01:09:16,725 --> 01:09:17,558
Yeah.

1404
01:09:17,591 --> 01:09:18,424
Yep.

1405
01:09:18,457 --> 01:09:19,290
Yeah.

1406
01:09:19,323 --> 01:09:20,406
So.

1407
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,685
If someone wants to put one in and
they have lawyers and this and that.

1408
01:09:23,718 --> 01:09:25,866
Because I'm, and I'm fairly sure, I
don't know, uh, Commissioner Laro

1409
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:27,814
would agree with me, but if you know,
we

1410
01:09:28,243 --> 01:09:31,048
not that we have to do this, but if
we had a public hearing on it,

1411
01:09:31,081 --> 01:09:32,941
I'm sure we would pack the room with
people that don't want the

1412
01:09:32,974 --> 01:09:35,010
noisy things next to them.

1413
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:36,531
I don't doubt that.

1414
01:09:36,564 --> 01:09:37,397
So.

1415
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:39,128
Yeah. We know that part.

1416
01:09:39,161 --> 01:09:40,109
So.

1417
01:09:40,142 --> 01:09:40,975
But.

1418
01:09:41,008 --> 01:09:44,446
So we so we have a consensus that we
want to deal with this proactively.

1419
01:09:44,496 --> 01:09:46,439
I would like to I'd like to see that.

1420
01:09:47,057 --> 01:09:48,629
Based on based on all the
constituents that

1421
01:09:48,662 --> 01:09:50,722
have been, you know, looking at it.

1422
01:09:50,755 --> 01:09:52,037
You know, I

1423
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:53,399
Um.

1424
01:09:53,984 --> 01:09:56,201
I would expect that we should take
the time to do it so that we do it

1425
01:09:56,234 --> 01:09:57,761
correctly though.

1426
01:09:58,897 --> 01:10:00,202
So, do we

1427
01:10:00,235 --> 01:10:04,012
do we have a, uh, talk to our
attorney then or how do we

1428
01:10:04,888 --> 01:10:09,552
Well, no, it's the the the proper way
to do this is

1429
01:10:10,041 --> 01:10:11,393
Now we've talked about it here.

1430
01:10:11,426 --> 01:10:13,984
I'm going to bring this up to the
planning commission,

1431
01:10:14,017 --> 01:10:17,206
whether it's the sub committee or the
full planning commission.

1432
01:10:17,734 --> 01:10:19,764
They come up with something.

1433
01:10:19,797 --> 01:10:21,658
I mean, we literally we we reach out
to other

1434
01:10:21,691 --> 01:10:25,109
counties all the time that have an
ordinance in place.

1435
01:10:25,438 --> 01:10:29,770
and look at that and say how does
that fit Isanti County?

1436
01:10:29,803 --> 01:10:32,022
I think, um, Elk River just did
something too.

1437
01:10:32,055 --> 01:10:34,514
So they might be able to reach out to
Elk River

1438
01:10:34,547 --> 01:10:36,437
and see what what they did.

1439
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:37,703
Or City of Isanti.

1440
01:10:37,736 --> 01:10:40,775
I see we have our IT guy here. Yeah.

1441
01:10:41,074 --> 01:10:43,483
I I I do have a question if you

1442
01:10:43,516 --> 01:10:46,971
Have you seen any of the stuff as far
as uh, um, these data

1443
01:10:47,004 --> 01:10:50,452
centers that are producing their own
electricity?

1444
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:52,366
I have.

1445
01:10:52,983 --> 01:10:55,143
Um, a lot of it's steam based.

1446
01:10:55,176 --> 01:10:58,412
Uh, there are some turbine based as
well.

1447
01:10:58,445 --> 01:10:59,608
Okay.

1448
01:10:59,641 --> 01:11:02,318
One comment I do have about the
infrastructure,

1449
01:11:02,351 --> 01:11:05,109
Isanti County really doesn't have the
infrastructure as

1450
01:11:05,142 --> 01:11:07,999
as far as transport. The fiber in the
area is very

1451
01:11:08,032 --> 01:11:12,467
limited, mostly owned by the state at
this point.

1452
01:11:12,507 --> 01:11:13,500
Okay.

1453
01:11:13,533 --> 01:11:15,693
And some Mitco and things like that
for a data center

1454
01:11:15,726 --> 01:11:18,363
to come through they would need huge
bundles of fiber,

1455
01:11:18,396 --> 01:11:22,330
um, just to transport all the data
back and forth.

1456
01:11:22,363 --> 01:11:25,300
So, but it's not impossible to make
it happen.

1457
01:11:25,333 --> 01:11:27,831
but there's there's places that are
way better set up

1458
01:11:27,864 --> 01:11:30,243
right now to make it happen and
that's

1459
01:11:30,276 --> 01:11:32,615
And that's why we're seeing a lot of
cities pass

1460
01:11:32,648 --> 01:11:35,186
moratoriums because they are set up.

1461
01:11:35,219 --> 01:11:37,697
As of now in Minnesota, the only
counties I could

1462
01:11:37,730 --> 01:11:40,288
find that have passed moratoriums are

1463
01:11:40,321 --> 01:11:43,477
Wright and Pine, Carlton's
considering one.

1464
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:45,770
Um, but the cities have the
infrastructure in place,

1465
01:11:45,803 --> 01:11:48,025
which is why they're

1466
01:11:48,394 --> 01:11:51,849
more rapidly passing these
moratoriums, um,

1467
01:11:51,882 --> 01:11:54,500
because of that fiber piece.

1468
01:11:54,533 --> 01:11:57,230
Across the county to rural land
sites, there's not

1469
01:11:57,263 --> 01:12:00,323
fiber.

1470
01:12:00,529 --> 01:12:03,506
So, I guess my concern is that a
conglomerate comes in,

1471
01:12:03,539 --> 01:12:06,994
buys a piece of property, and then
just, you know,

1472
01:12:07,027 --> 01:12:10,183
all of a sudden now, you know, they
meet all the ordinance,

1473
01:12:10,216 --> 01:12:13,036
the thing pops up and there's we
don't have no say in it.

1474
01:12:13,515 --> 01:12:16,063
So, maybe it's not this year, but
maybe it's a couple years

1475
01:12:16,096 --> 01:12:18,654
from now, but meantime they have the
money, the deep

1476
01:12:18,687 --> 01:12:20,471
pockets to wait.

1477
01:12:21,109 --> 01:12:22,102
So.

1478
01:12:22,135 --> 01:12:24,494
But anyway, it's good to know. I
thank you for backing that up

1479
01:12:24,527 --> 01:12:26,328
for me that there are some that are
are run with

1480
01:12:26,361 --> 01:12:28,005
alternative power source.

1481
01:12:28,404 --> 01:12:29,732
So.

1482
01:12:29,948 --> 01:12:32,606
Anyway, I'll just get back to the
point of we do reach out

1483
01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:35,895
to other counties and see what
they're doing.

1484
01:12:35,928 --> 01:12:38,489
See how that fits

1485
01:12:38,559 --> 01:12:40,977
with our county and sometimes it's
almost, yep,

1486
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:43,170
that's a good idea, we're good to go
on that.

1487
01:12:43,203 --> 01:12:45,761
Although most of the time it's not
quite that simple.

1488
01:12:45,794 --> 01:12:47,817
Or tweaking it a little bit, whatever
they got.

1489
01:12:47,957 --> 01:12:50,445
But but then you still go through the
planning commission,

1490
01:12:50,478 --> 01:12:52,950
get that and then it comes back here.

1491
01:12:53,637 --> 01:12:55,398
So if we go through it's it

1492
01:12:55,431 --> 01:12:57,820
you can maybe correct me on this,
Amanda, but

1493
01:12:57,853 --> 01:13:01,806
you know, if we have a moratorium in
place,

1494
01:13:01,839 --> 01:13:04,022
somebody still can challenge that.

1495
01:13:04,091 --> 01:13:06,490
I mean, that that's my what I think
I'm hearing out of

1496
01:13:06,523 --> 01:13:08,772
the county attorney on this.

1497
01:13:08,805 --> 01:13:10,845
I mean, we have to have a reason.

1498
01:13:10,878 --> 01:13:13,366
So in other words, no data centers
at, you know,

1499
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,858
at the we can say no data centers.

1500
01:13:15,891 --> 01:13:18,927
Could we say no data centers allowed
and then give it a time frame?

1501
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,253
Or is that still a moratorium?

1502
01:13:20,286 --> 01:13:22,236
No, no, it's not a moratorium.

1503
01:13:22,269 --> 01:13:24,900
Okay, good. But we'd have to this is
where

1504
01:13:25,558 --> 01:13:27,917
you know, we just a while back we had
a, uh,

1505
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:31,405
cleaned up some language in the
ordinances we had

1506
01:13:31,438 --> 01:13:34,584
where we defined words.

1507
01:13:34,617 --> 01:13:38,075
Right. We have to say, okay, what is
a data center?

1508
01:13:38,274 --> 01:13:40,304
You know, what is that? Okay.

1509
01:13:40,337 --> 01:13:42,666
Well, maybe, um, I don't know. Have
you done any

1510
01:13:42,699 --> 01:13:45,211
research into it at all what they
are?

1511
01:13:45,799 --> 01:13:48,147
Well, a little bit. I mean, I had
about an hour-long

1512
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:50,791
conversation with somebody the other
day about this.

1513
01:13:50,941 --> 01:13:52,851
No, that's that's that's tip of the
iceberg.

1514
01:13:52,884 --> 01:13:55,422
Yeah, so I mean, maybe um, watch
watch some videos and

1515
01:13:55,455 --> 01:13:57,914
things and get some, um, all of us
gets more education

1516
01:13:57,947 --> 01:14:00,608
on this data center so we know, but,
uh,

1517
01:14:00,867 --> 01:14:02,598
Anyway, yeah, well, thank you,

1518
01:14:02,631 --> 01:14:05,189
thank you for, uh, putting that on
the agenda, Amanda,

1519
01:14:05,222 --> 01:14:07,511
and I think, um, it was good a good
conversation.

1520
01:14:07,544 --> 01:14:10,394
Yep. No, it's it's well worth
bringing up.

1521
01:14:10,454 --> 01:14:13,760
Just for my clarification and, um,
next steps,

1522
01:14:13,793 --> 01:14:16,151
is there any direction the board
wants to give me

1523
01:14:16,184 --> 01:14:18,244
regarding follow-up on this item or
is it is the

1524
01:14:18,277 --> 01:14:20,636
plan that it will go to potentially a
sub committee,

1525
01:14:20,669 --> 01:14:22,928
the planning commission? I just don't
want to drop the

1526
01:14:22,961 --> 01:14:25,320
ball if there's an expectation that I
have something to

1527
01:14:25,353 --> 01:14:27,074
follow up with.

1528
01:14:27,107 --> 01:14:30,203
My my answer, my answer for me
personally would be

1529
01:14:30,236 --> 01:14:34,269
let's get something done as soon as
possible on it.

1530
01:14:34,302 --> 01:14:36,980
Well, you know, Amanda, if there's
some county that,

1531
01:14:37,013 --> 01:14:41,269
you know, I mean

1532
01:14:41,936 --> 01:14:44,355
put it to this way, if if I wouldn't
mind if you reached

1533
01:14:44,388 --> 01:14:46,149
out to somebody and said, what do you
what did you

1534
01:14:46,182 --> 01:14:47,574
guys do here like

1535
01:14:47,607 --> 01:14:48,849
If Isanti did that.

1536
01:14:48,882 --> 01:14:50,932
And then and then Elk River, Elk
River that'd be

1537
01:14:50,965 --> 01:14:53,573
Sherburne, Sherburne County, I
believe is Elk River.

1538
01:14:53,606 --> 01:14:56,314
So if you could reach out and give us
some ideas that

1539
01:14:56,347 --> 01:14:58,603
we could that we could, um,

1540
01:14:58,636 --> 01:14:59,948
potentially take a look at and

1541
01:14:59,981 --> 01:15:01,310
Yeah.

1542
01:15:02,752 --> 01:15:05,581
And along with that, um, our expected
time frame would be

1543
01:15:05,614 --> 01:15:07,592
by the end of the year, something
like that.

1544
01:15:07,625 --> 01:15:10,027
Uh, yes, by no no later than the end
of the year.

1545
01:15:10,804 --> 01:15:12,535
I'm not going to gear and beat that
out.

1546
01:15:12,568 --> 01:15:14,598
Well, that's our expectation, doesn't
mean it's gonna happen.

1547
01:15:14,631 --> 01:15:15,824
Yeah. I hope it's that.

1548
01:15:15,857 --> 01:15:16,690
Right.

1549
01:15:16,723 --> 01:15:17,556
I mean.

1550
01:15:17,589 --> 01:15:19,571
Because it sounds to me like we could
do something

1551
01:15:19,604 --> 01:15:21,495
relatively quickly, but we need

1552
01:15:21,528 --> 01:15:24,405
I would like to see what the other
counties and cities have done

1553
01:15:24,438 --> 01:15:26,420
their actual language.

1554
01:15:26,453 --> 01:15:27,286
Yeah.

1555
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:28,152
Yeah.

1556
01:15:28,185 --> 01:15:29,018
Yep.

1557
01:15:29,051 --> 01:15:31,900
If there's anything complicated or
things we don't know that we've

1558
01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:34,499
been talking about here, you know,
please bring that to our attention.

1559
01:15:34,532 --> 01:15:35,861
Yeah.

1560
01:15:36,326 --> 01:15:39,474
And again, thank you for putting it
on the agenda and thank you,

1561
01:15:39,507 --> 01:15:42,272
Commissioners, for uh hearing me out
on it.

1562
01:15:42,305 --> 01:15:43,169
Yeah, it's good.

1563
01:15:43,202 --> 01:15:44,585
Anything else on this issue?

1564
01:15:44,618 --> 01:15:45,621
No.

1565
01:15:45,654 --> 01:15:48,145
All right, we're up to miscellaneous
staff.

1566
01:15:49,660 --> 01:15:51,713
Nope, I don't have anything.

1567
01:15:52,072 --> 01:15:54,075
Heather doesn't have anything either?

1568
01:15:55,331 --> 01:15:56,484
Commissioners?

1569
01:15:56,517 --> 01:15:57,381
Nothing, that was it.

1570
01:15:57,414 --> 01:15:58,247
No.

1571
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,114
We are adjourned.

1572
01:15:59,147 --> 01:16:00,475
Yep.

1573
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,033
Do you want to cover something?

1574
01:16:03,123 --> 01:16:06,261
No, Commissioner Burke's not here. We
I we just I was had the

1575
01:16:06,294 --> 01:16:07,724
employee appreciation.

1576
01:16:07,757 --> 01:16:08,960
Oh.

1577
01:16:08,993 --> 01:16:12,440
meal and, but we need to discuss with
him to ensure we have a

1578
01:16:12,473 --> 01:16:14,016
place for that.

1579
01:16:14,096 --> 01:16:16,060
Don't forget the fair this week.

1580
01:16:16,093 --> 01:16:16,926
Yes.

1581
01:16:16,959 --> 01:16:17,792
Yeah.

1582
01:16:17,825 --> 01:16:18,658
Yep.