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Good morning, would you please call the roll please? Council member Mark Craig, here. Council member Elizabeth Jollin, here. Council member Henry Rosenthall, yes. Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, here, and Mayor by the Pender.

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Here. All right, would that be instead an ask Captain Derek Paul to lead us in the pledge of allegiance, please?

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We've come bless us with a prayer there young me

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I would be happy to and I just have to tell you after being in Uganda for the last 10 days that I am grateful to be in the United States of America and

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the freedoms that we have we may should never ever take for granted. So let's let's bow together and ask Lord bless our meeting

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Thank you so much for today.

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I thank you for the privilege we have to come and come before you.

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I pray for your blessing over this meeting.

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Give us wisdom and clarity.

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I thank you, Father, for the privilege that we have to serve.

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May this community be better because of our time has been here this evening.

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With each and every one of us in your precious name, we pray.

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Thank you, Tony.

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Okay, so we will move on to Council any request for

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deletions or additions.

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Yes, Mr. Mayor, I had one item, please.

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Perhaps it could go as an item B. I would like to have a discussion regarding the renewal

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of the Village Manager's contract, Ted Yates, please.

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Okay, so were we going to do this under Mayor Council communication?

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Yes, please.

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And I'd like to ask for public comment.

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Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make an announcement, as you know, for a couple years, I've been

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trying to work with publics in doing a way with the plastic bags.

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I had a more recent meeting with the Management of Publics, and there are various contributions

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which I'm going to ask the Council to approve because last time I met with them, I want

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something a contribution to this community from publics. I got a contribution. The contribution

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is they will supply banks, cloth bags for people to not use the plastic bags. They will buy

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thousand bags and the only thing the ASK of us is could the public's use our insignia on their

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bag. They're going to pay for it. They're going to do it and that's all how they want out

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from us. So if I can go back and say yes, you can use our insignia under those circumstances,

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that's what they're waiting for me to tell. So Mark, are you having an objection to that?

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I don't have any objection, but I don't know if there's anything that we need to ask John

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quick about if using an official seal and a private thing, I mean, I hope there is no objection

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to that.

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John, can I answer the question?

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Yeah, I mean, we can work with them because obviously we have to license the use of the seal.

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We're happy to work with the public to turn, it shouldn't be an issue, I'm sure that

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we've done it before on behalf of other cities, I'm sure public is done it with other entities

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too.

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It's a fairly straightforward thing, right?

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You know, are you a firm or a firm or a firm?

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Fine.

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I'm fine with.

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Fine.

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I have one question.

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If the people come in and they don't have a cloth bag, they still use plastic bags.

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Yeah, sure.

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If they look to the use of them, they're there, but to these thousand bags that they're

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going to buy originally is for those people to use them instead of plastic.

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How do they distribute who do they who do they is it only people in the village we get the ones with the bill?

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I don't think they're gonna ask that question. Okay. They just give them out and tell they're gone. Right, and then we'll deal with the next step. Okay, all right, well

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I assume we got five votes and I'll travel on. Thank you. Okay. Thank you Henry. Okay, so

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Ted, you and John help me out if you wouldn't mind please

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Wait a second

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I would like to pull EF mainly for the consent agenda and both those items.

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I think it deserves more discussion and that's it for me.

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Okay, E is the Ferguson waterworks, right, Henry, is that what you're talking about?

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Yes, I believe it is.

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It's a hold on.

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Let me write this down so we don't.

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Henry, so you want E, which is tab five?

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Okay, what's your next one, Henry?

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The next one is F, F, so that would be Tab 6.

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That's correct.

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Virtuces of Ferguson.

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That's the 80,000 dollar purchase.

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A six-way limit.

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Okay, that is counsel.

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Are we okay with that?

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Pulling that F?

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Okay, so you're going to pull F, which is the,

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that's the thing with Markham, the audit.

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That's correct.

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We're pulling it for discussion, not to help me out of the, okay, okay, this is out for it, okay.

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Look at these times or for discussion, okay,

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okay, so I would like to move,

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um, Ted, you might have to help me out number nine, which would be C, okay,

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all right,

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um, that's something with our IT department, okay, approving SHI International Court,

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All right, so that's number nine.

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I'd like to move that to the consent agenda.

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Okay.

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It's, it's C, but it's tab number nine.

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It's in your, okay.

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Yeah, and the book is tab number nine.

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Okay. Then I would like to move tab 10

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to the consent agenda CPH for the solar.

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That's the solar lights tab that we have to get a wind load test.

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We have to do a win-load test on the polls

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before we can install any of the lighting,

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the LED replacement lighting fixture.

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So because of the four-to-building code,

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so it's something that we have to do

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to provide a report to be able to do that.

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So we already have a working relationship with CPH,

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so this would just be a work authorization.

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OK, all right.

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So I'd like to add that to the consent.

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And I would also like to add to the consent E, which

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would be tab 11,

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which is the tetra, tech.

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It's the debris monitoring for an hurricane,

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the recovery assistance services.

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But yeah, I'd like to actually have some discussion on that one, please.

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OK.

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So can we keep that as whatever tab it's going to tab,

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just keep that outside of the consent agenda, I have some comments.

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Do we want to have this, OK.

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So you want to have discussion on that?

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If we put it in the consent, can we, a John,

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can we have discussion on it in the consent?

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Yeah, I mean, you can.

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Should I leave?

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I mean, usually you didn't have discussion

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or do we need to just leave it where it is?

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I mean, if you're going to have

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just usually consent is things that are,

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you know, you don't really have discussion.

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If there's going to be discussion, I would keep it out.

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I'm going to move it then.

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I'd like to move it until after

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the consent agenda.

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Okay.

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To move it up to be one of the other.

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To the first resolution.

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That's it.

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I'd rather okay for not okay.

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Because I want to move tab.

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I wanted to put tab 12 in the consent,

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which is Ash Britt, which is the debris, it's all...

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I'd like to have some discussion about both of those tabs are interrelated.

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They are exactly. It's all about Hurricane disaster relief recovery.

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So can we keep those of those outside of this?

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So what we'll do, you're looking to move those to be in the first two resolutions.

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That would be the first tab.

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I would like to speak to nine.

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All right, so Henry, we're going to, we'll move nine out and we will put that right after the consent.

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is everyone okay moving the CPH for the win, win load?

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That was a pretty simple one.

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Tab 10, right?

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Tab 10, correct.

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Yeah, Henry wanted number nine.

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And I'll still, Henry, I'll still go through and explain what that is before there's public

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comment for it.

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As long as we have the public comment, that's the important.

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Yeah, you'd still have public comment on any item in the

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consent agenda. Okay. All right. So is everybody understand? So we're going to move

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10 to the consent. We're going to pull 9, 11 and 12 are going to come right after the consent.

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We will hear them. We're going to move the order of them. Okay. And the, yeah, the order of the

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right, you know, they're going to be the first three considered in the resolutions. Just so I know when

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I'm reading them off, which orders are you, which order are you looking to have them? We're going to

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We're going to move 10 to the consent agenda, okay?

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Number 9, we're going to do right after the consent.

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That'll be the first one.

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That'll be the first one.

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I don't know.

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And 11 in 12.

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And then we'll go back into the year we go back for there, okay?

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So you might have to help me, John, if I, for somebody up here can help.

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Yeah, I've got no little confusing.

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It's going to be, you know, it's going to be a little longer night where we are going

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to have a lot of public comment.

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So, and I dislike everybody to know, when I ask you, I'm going to ask that you would not

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take longer than your three minutes that because I'm going to ask you to please give somebody

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else a chance to speak that is here to speak. So you guys please bear with me tonight, all right.

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The two that were pulled from consent agenda is there a desire as to where they go in the

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solution section at the top or the bottom.

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I mean, I just, again, I just want to make sure I'm reading them off correct. That was five and six that were pulled from consent agenda.

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Okay. Okay. Okay. If not, I normally just go a number order, but since removing them around, I wanted to. Okay. Henry just wants to discuss him. Do we want to discuss him?

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He wants public comment form. So can we leave him in the consent? He just wants to discuss it?

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's just looking for public comment, then it can stay in consent and that's going to be public comment on it if he's okay with that.

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Okay, so I'm sorry could you repeat them so here's what we're going to do is we so Henry wants to have discussion for tab five and six

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It's in the consent agenda, but he wants to have discussion so we're going to leave it there

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We'll have discussion and we'll let public comment that he wants that public comment for

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Does everybody understand that?

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Okay, and ten as well. We can have. I'm sorry. Then I go ahead

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That's one

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And so then just to be clear, we're adding a Mark's edition is something pro, repeat that.

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What was that?

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It is a discussion regarding the renewal of the Village Manager's contract.

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Okay, and that's under Mayor Council and there will be public comment.

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Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

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Sorry for the delay here a little bit.

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But okay, so we can, okay, okay, go ahead.

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Hi, Samar.

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Yes, all right.

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I want Carlos to come up and talk about the latest survey

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that we did.

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The next survey is gonna be about freebie

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and that should be out the first of August.

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I'd also like the council to consider the committees

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that they did great.

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I'm extremely happy that there are lots of people that applied, it's going to be a really good thing that we're trying here.

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But there are a couple of committees that have 10 members I'd like for the Council to consider moving those to seven.

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I don't think any committee needs to be 10 people.

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And the last thing is I'd like permission from the Council to move forward with I know Peter has a full plate.

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I know Ted has a full plate.

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I have been working with Richard Black, I Richard, and we are looking at the Florida Keys

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Guides Association getting a ramp that used to exist here that hasn't been used since

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the 60s, redoing it, and I know there's a lot of steps, but I am more than willing to

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start doing stuff on my own, which I know people have a problem with, but moving forward

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with that.

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So I'd like the permission of the council that I can start pursuing applications with

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the guidance of, obviously, John Quick and everything, but to try to move this process

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along faster, is that I'm looking for permission.

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Go ahead.

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It wasn't from the 60s.

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I got the pictures from the 1961 Ford, but I used it as a kid with our, with our boat Jim Mooney

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used it with his formula.

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So we don't know when, but there was, the pictures clearly have a dock in the ramp.

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I knew when Sharon called me, I said, yes, we used to use it.

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So there was a ramp on the north side of the T dock, and we have all the pictures.

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So Vice Mayor, Peter's already started that process, and we have a proposal from CPH

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to assist us with all the permitting and the surveys that are required to apply for those.

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So we got that in, I'll send it out to Councils for you guys to review and the cost and everything.

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And then we can get a consensus to move forward.

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That, and also, I know there's people here curious about B-pass.

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When is that going to be available for the people sitting on pins and needles about the allocations?

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I know that the next market rate allocations are going to be at July 20th with our land use meeting.

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There is an agenda item tonight that impacts administrative relief.

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It's a code amendment, depending on how council works without or it passes it.

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There could be opportunity for additional allocations depending on how that occurs.

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but the next actual B pass allocation is going to be on July 20th, in my comments

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tonight I'll be sharing some additional allocations that we discovered and I

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can go through the history that when I speak about it enough.

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People sitting on pins and needles so I just want to add to that the list was posted

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on Monday so the list is posted on the website currently so people can see where they are

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on the list now.

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And that's accurate.

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That's not going to change.

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that's correct. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, Carlos. So, we have a

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way to hold up. If so, Council is clear, did I hear that everybody were

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giving a thumbs up for what Sharon said about the rant for the guys? We're all

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given a thumbs up. Well, we are, but Ted just said that he, they are working on it

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and they're going to, that's already underway. Is that just for work? We have a

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proposal that I can, I mean, I could pull it up and share the numbers, but I

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have been more advantageous for you guys to read through the proposal.

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There's a cost associated with both the surveys and the permitting that they would help

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guide us through.

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This is something we've worked with them before.

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So again, just gives you additional information on how the process is going to work.

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That's okay.

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I have no problem.

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I just want to make sure that we all are clear right now and it's recorded that we're

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giving a thumbs up all five of us right now.

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Mark, are you okay?

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Just to be clear, to move forward with gathering information, to then come back to present to us in the form of proposal, in other words.

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No, move forward.

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I'm interested in the project.

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It's great.

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I just want to, we need to follow the steps and let the staff do the work and bring it to us.

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That's what I think is what we're saying, right?

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Yeah.

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And I think we're there.

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We've got everything teed up.

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Again, off the top of my head, I believe the cost to engage,

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CPH, which is actually not if it's CPH,

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but WSP, I apologize, we have a lot of kinds of

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WSP to help guide us through the permitting and the surveys that need to be done.

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I think it's approximately around $69,000.

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So that is the cost to pursue this.

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And I've already spoken with the guidance association that the cost of the ramp, the

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Fencing everything will be taking care of through donations to the God's association.

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So it's at no cost to the village and that will give them the exclusive right to be able

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to continue bringing people to the keys to fish and have a place to launch.

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So I think it's a great thing for them and I think we should support it 100 percent because

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people come to the keys to fish.

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Elizabeth, you okay with that?

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Henry, you're okay with that?

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Okay.

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So I'm good to Ted. We're all five on board for you guys going moving forward with this.

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We'll prepare legislation and it'll be at your next meeting.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thank you. Vice Mayor, is that it?

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That's it.

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Okay. So now we got Mr. Carlos. What's up, Carlos? Go ahead, man.

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Oh, there you go.

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Carlos G. Albrano Social also a resident.

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And welcome.

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A lot of residents.

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I know half of the room.

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So for those that don't know, I managed the digital media

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for the village of Almorada.

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It's called Almorada Social.

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If you don't follow that, just Google Almorada Social.

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It's on YouTube, it's on Facebook,

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and it's on Instagram, and it's everywhere.

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And it's the most watched government institution

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social media account in Moreau County.

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It's tie and tie with the sheriff,

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which I co-managed at account as well.

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So Almorada Social.

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Before you lead into this survey,

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I just want to say on June 17,

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we reached 50,000 views on YouTube and we have other accounts, but YouTube is very interesting

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because it's not a network. So I just wanted to play a video real quick. It's 45 seconds. I

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know that there's no long. Just so you guys see a little bit of that and then it leads into the

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survey. So Frank, hit it.

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That's it. It was quick. And of course this video was released right before

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July 4th, but it's important to notice that the majority of those views are from residents.

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Those views come from the emails that I send, sometimes they come from Facebook, direct YouTube

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channels, it is you, the community that is watching these videos over and over and over.

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So thank you to the residents and if you're here today and you don't follow the accounts,

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please do because we post consistently there.

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Now, moving into this survey, I just want to say first, thank you, Council, for helping to implement that project.

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We're reaching a lot of people on the social channels, now we're reaching in third of the survey.

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I want to specifically recognize Vice Mayor Mahoney because of your persistence to get this done.

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We had to push to some barriers to accomplish to do the way we're doing it.

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But here we are, and we are reaching a lot of the community.

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The first survey, we had about 850 participants that were validated, registered voters,

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or residents of Alamurada.

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And then on the second survey, we had 454 participants, and only 10, really, I had to cut off.

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The rest follow all the procedures in all the instructions perfectly and the majority were registered voters

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So

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It could as to you

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You go around to help people are very happy that you were taking the step and they feel that is a direct channel of communication between council and residents without any filters

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So moving on to the survey

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All right, so this was survey number two building in code most of these questions were prepared by our prior

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planning or actor. And we implemented that right on early Memorial Day. It was supposed to be out there for 10 days.

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We gave an extra five days because of Memorial Day. 700 people visited the site.

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443 actually were valid in could answer the questions.

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Approximately takes four minutes for them to answer these questions. And again, this is the results of the survey.

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It's a community of reprojects, spearheaded by Vice Mayor Mahoney and implemented by Attention Media.

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So we only had eight duplicate answers.

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And if you get these surveys in the future, there was people that responded to the eight in this case.

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They repeated their name, same address.

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So if your intention was to vote for you and your significant other, you have to put the significant other on that.

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Otherwise, I can validate that they are actually voters, that could be the reason that they did this.

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But I had to eliminate the duplicates, the other eights that were not duplicates, of course, were counted.

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Only three answers could invalidate, meaning they're not resident, they're not registered voters.

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I just don't want to take a chance to put in our results.

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So, included in the results were 427 registered voters.

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16, we're not registered voters, do not own property, not a morada, but our residents.

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Now, I have no way to validate their leases, but the addresses match in there not anywhere else.

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So, I'm going to give them a benefit of the doubt, because it's a small margin of error.

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So, in total, we had for this survey number 243 responses.

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And you can see that on the very top chart, as you release the survey, the first four or five days,

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is really where the majority of people answer, right?

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So I send the email and then I wait a couple days and then we send the link and then I do

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a video for social media and then they keep answer, but really, when we announce that we're

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going to release a survey on this day, that's really when people answer.

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About 50, 50 are mobile devices and then desktop, so people are answering those two primary

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and then 67% the blue line there, oh, let's see if I can, right there, that little thing.

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Those are people that are responded via the email. So I have your email through various means that I acquired,

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and 67% of this 443 got the email responded. The remaining 30 something percent, which is about 120, they did it through the link.

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So when you, that means you did the email went through your junk mail, you didn't see it, and then later you got my link.

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So now that I have your response to your link, you are now on my database.

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So next time, it's likely that you will get a pay attention to your junk mail.

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So let's switch over here.

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So the first question.

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Are you a registered voter?

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90% of people that answer were registered voters.

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The second question, do you own property?

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92% of those on property in Almorada?

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There you go.

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The majority of the respondents, 87%.

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percent were full-time residents and 12 percent were part-time resident.

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Snowbirds. I don't know if we have any snowbirds here.

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Question. The next question is develop a

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Twimplement a moratorium on the village of Almorada and 81 percent.

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Just about 82 percent are in favor of implementing a temporary moratorium.

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Workforce affordable house. What to do with the 300 permits.

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50.47% wants to use the 300 units to create incentives and programs in homes that can

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legally use their downstairs apartments for rent.

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For affordable housing options. That was the majority of the answers.

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But that's just safety. So the pedestrian safety, again, is not a bridge. It's just a crossing.

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And 60% of the respondents do not want the crossing across the church village.

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How important for the village council to work on surface water quality, which is the water runoff.

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The wind and response was very important, 43%.

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High-port is the village council to work on ground shore war quality that is 57% very important

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High-port is the village council to work on overall habitat protection around the village 57%

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very important

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High-port is the village council to work on more affordable housing permits

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40% important

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Which is the winning answer there?

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How important is for the council to work on tourism the tourism development not important

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I think that's Sandy's job.

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You got it.

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So, not important for the council to focus on that.

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Hold on.

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What's going on?

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So that was the last question.

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Now,

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there you go.

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So, I will be posting these results on our social channels tomorrow.

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So, if you want to see there are more in depth of being a social channels.

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And then I'll send to the manager's office to be posted on the website.

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And I'll also do a video highlighting basically the same information.

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Again, 450 people that qualify to answer this is an awesome participation.

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It's below the first survey.

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It was Memorial Day.

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People are watching what we're doing and they're listening to you.

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Now, the next survey would be freebie.

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As you all know, freebie is coming for a contract that's coming for renewal

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and Vice-Mere Mahoney would like to get the community's opinion on privy.

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A couple of things that I'm doing on the upcoming system improvements is now that we had

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two surveys ready.

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If you already interacted and answered your surveys, you will no longer need to validate your

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name, your address, and all of that.

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I'm writing code that will bypass all of that.

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So if you're already interacted, you'll simply get an email because I have your voter ID number,

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and that's how I'm going to track you.

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And you only going to answer the questions.

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If I haven't validated you at or you're not going to have database,

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you're still going to get the validation questions.

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Maybe a couple more surveys.

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But this will make our survey process completely streamlined.

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And it's less data for you to input.

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And we're going to focus only on the actual survey question.

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And that concludes the survey.

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Again, I want to thank your council.

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Thank you community.

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Thank you residents for participating.

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and make sure you follow while I'm running social. Just Google. I'm running a social.

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Thank you, Carlos G. Thanks, Carlos. Any questions? Thank you very much.

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Yeah, we were just Carlos. He's just given the report, but I mean, Andy, if you

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want

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how about we talk a side by Andy? Let's do public. Let's do an under general public comment. Okay.

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All right, thank you. Thank you, council.

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Okay. So since we are on reports, so the next thing is going to

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The South Atlantic Fishing Environmentalists, John Reynolds, are you doing?

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Hey, thank you guys very much, I know you guys have a really busy schedule.

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I really appreciate you guys getting us on.

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This is really, really important for Alamurata.

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This is a fishing village, and it always has been fishing and diving is really important here.

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So, you know, what this is about is an Artificial Reef program, a spoken front of you guys.

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Recently about this, and then you asked for some more information.

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So, we came back with that.

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And now we have money allocated towards this, very good funding.

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And, you know, there's a lot of people that have really been waiting for this.

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We need our Artificial Reefs and our structures revitalized really bad.

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It's really important.

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And anyone who fishes out here knows how important wrecks are for a plagicic species, sail fishing,

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tourist, you know, tourist, and all the fishermen down here, the chartboard industry.

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So we were working with the state.

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They're pretty much going to handle all the footwork with us.

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We're way ahead of the game.

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We have contractors already in line.

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We have materials, and basically all we're really asking of the village is to be willing to hold the permit.

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After that, FWC will draft the permit application for the village's approval.

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There is absolutely no cost or feet of the village.

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There is no annual monitoring.

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There is no maintenance required, the contractor that will perform the job will be insured and responsible for all transport and deployment of all the materials.

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All the risk is assumed by the contractor company and included in the job cost, which again is paid for through a grant that the state will provide.

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The main reason why this is so important for the village of Islamarata to move forward with us on this is because if this doesn't happen within the confinement of the village and we can't move forward with this permanent process with you guys what's going to happen is this is going to fall into like a county.

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And once Monroe County gets ahold of it, just it's so much more widespread, they have so many more things to worry about.

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There's such a broader focus for them, and Adam Roddow will lose.

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And I mean, this is the sport-fishing capital of the world.

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This is where we need this, the whole fishing community, and then the rest of the community is behind this.

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And we can streamline this, we're a grassroots organization that has been working for the last few years on getting these structures in the water, working with the state, and now that the money is available, you know, we need to use it for this. This is what it's all for, you know, we're talking about $10 million allocated to artificial reefs and wrecks in Monroe County, solely for that purpose.

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And if I'm a rata, if the village will sign up for holding this permit, then the state will move forward.

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And we can start moving forward. There's not really much needed from you guys.

456
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And this will put us in the priority at the front of the list, basically, for this money.

457
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:31,840
And that's the most important thing. If we fall behind on this, we just might go to the back of the list.

458
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,500
and this might never happen for Alamurada.

459
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,740
So it's crucial that we get you guys support.

460
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,120
And so that's what we're here.

461
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:40,200
It's really exciting.

462
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:42,000
I mean, for the fishing community,

463
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,260
this is extremely exciting.

464
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:45,680
And I'm going to turn it over to Keith.

465
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,160
He is the director for the Artificial Reprogram from FWC.

466
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,760
And he can go through some more things for you guys.

467
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:54,040
And you know, I have a slideshow here to show you.

468
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:54,860
Thank you.

469
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:04,340
Thank you, John.

470
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,100
And thank you Mr. Mayor and Council

471
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,780
for allowing me to participate virtually today.

472
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:17,700
As John mentioned, I am the Administrator of Florida's Artificial Reap Program here in the Division of Marine Fisheries Management

473
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,440
events.

474
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:38,740
Okay, so just a quick overview and again, I've got a lot of slides here and I'll try to be brief as much as I can.

475
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:47,680
The FWC Artificial Reap Program, we are invited by statute to foster coordination between public and private organizations for artificial development,

476
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
to ensure long-term economic and social benefits

477
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,980
for the state of Florida.

478
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:54,520
Well, another primary goal is to understand

479
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,800
the function of artificial reads

480
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,240
and use them as a component of fisheries management.

481
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,260
We have over 4,000 artificial reads statewide.

482
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:06,100
These range in depth from just one foot all the way down

483
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:09,080
to 500 and 11 feet deep.

484
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:12,260
We provide financial and technical assistance

485
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,880
to the coastal governments, nonprofits,

486
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,440
and state universities to construct and assess

487
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:25,620
artificial reefs, village of olomerotic falls within, you know, our expected stakeholders that we

488
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:31,360
that we work with, we administer grants. We have managed the Florida Artificial Reef database on

489
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,660
our website. We host regional and state artificial reef workshops. We assist with environmental

490
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:47,420
permit planning and review, which is, again, part of this talk. We're going to liaison with the

491
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:54,300
of our 35 coastal counties, 33 of those have had artificial reef programs and Monroe County.

492
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,780
It's been 14 years since we've had any artificial activity.

493
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:03,960
Monroe County has not had an artificial reef manager during that time.

494
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,740
We help the counties communicate with each other through workshops regionally hosted every

495
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:14,260
one to two years and statewide summits every four to six years.

496
00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:21,520
You can find recordings of all these workshops, especially in most recent one, in 2020 that was virtual on our website,

497
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,100
lyoptisc.com slash artificial reeds.

498
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,380
So, first we should think about the definition of what is an artificial reeds.

499
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:40,920
These are objects of natural, human origin, intentionally placed on a seat for the purpose of enhancing marine life for human use.

500
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:48,700
These include concrete materials, culverts, as well as limestone boulders, design modules,

501
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,900
steel vessels.

502
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:56,280
This does not include materials that have long been prohibited, such as tires and fiberglass

503
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:56,820
boat holes.

504
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Fiberglass boat holes is probably the number one question, and we get they are prohibited

505
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,200
from being the sort of fisheries through their low lightweight nature, and the fact that

506
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,740
they do not break down over time.

507
00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:19,340
Trends over time from 1980 until 2020 you'll see we've had some shifts from starting out with again as I mentioned of those materials that were prohibited

508
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:21,020
They're no longer used

509
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:32,230
Initially the program started out with a lot of steel vessels and concrete when a recent years you see more use of design concrete modules more use of

510
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,620
The rock materials. This is the limestone holders

511
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:39,560
And we also rely on marine contractors.

512
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,740
We do not have all that many in the state of Florida.

513
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:47,460
There are about 12 that are actively participating in artificial reef deployments.

514
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:52,480
These all meet the Coast Guard requirements fully ensured.

515
00:41:53,020 --> 00:42:01,360
And these are the companies that are making sure materialists come where it's opposed to inside the designated areas with state and permutative oversight.

516
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,780
Grant and Ed Funding, our Florida State of Florida Artificial

517
00:42:05,780 --> 00:42:11,140
Program has been funded, the background of funding is the

518
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:15,760
Sport Fish Restoration, and since 1986, that's an

519
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,620
exercise tax on marine fuel and fishing tackle, as well as

520
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:25,220
state salt water fishing license fees. Now occasionally we

521
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:28,280
have additional appropriations, such as from the maritime

522
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:37,620
administration for the Vandenberg in 2009. And more recently, the BP oil still funding with each

523
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:43,040
of those for $10 million, we're in a process of funding that out for Northwest Florida.

524
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:49,700
And I'm pleased, as John also mentioned, we have an special appropriation that was just signed by the governor

525
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:56,260
of last week, and this is $10 million for the Florida Keys, and we're working with Monroe County

526
00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:59,780
on getting those funds through grant agreements to them.

527
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,400
So this meeting on the January is quite time-week

528
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,020
for starting to implement the use of those funds.

529
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:12,840
Remembered everyone, the economics of saltwater fishing is very strong.

530
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:19,660
We have over a million and a half-tall water licenses generating 37, 20 million in licensed sales.

531
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:26,100
And saltwater fishing is an statewide economic impact of 9.2 billion for the state of Florida.

532
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:35,160
And also we believe that the study with our research institute in 2018 showing that out of

533
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,340
a, and this is on the Gulf of Mexico side, that out of a quarter million people that took

534
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:47,640
fishing troops in 2016 and 2017 in Northwest Florida over two thirds went to artificial

535
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,280
reefs.

536
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,200
And this shows that in that, that is the gray area there in Northwest Florida.

537
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,260
This shows how important our artificial saw are, and they're being widely used by recreational

538
00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:00,140
anglers, particularly in North West Florida.

539
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:08,940
The socioeconomic context is also going to be visualized through this map that was generated

540
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:09,580
by Florida.

541
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:16,420
Sea Grant, and this was, they were tracking the GPS coordinates of boat tracks, and you see

542
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:20,580
these little areas, the green dots, or the locations of part of this reefs.

543
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:28,800
And you can see, you know, these artificial roots are a destination for a lot of voters and anglers.

544
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:35,660
The top image there is eight boats that are all fishing off of the tug boat of the Pensacola.

545
00:44:36,220 --> 00:44:40,180
And I'm sure you probably experienced a lot of that down in the keys as well.

546
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,160
We also think, you know, very closely about the ecological context of these artificial reefs that we're building.

547
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:59,980
We have different types of fish assemblages that are using the radio of those type A fish that are very closely associated with the structured type B being a little bit further out.

548
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:24,740
On there, and then you have type C like your amberjack and more transient species. And when we think about, you know, how these are fish species are engaging with each others and the as well as the structure, you know, some of these species, you know, are benefiting more from a production value of the of the reef structure in that they are spending their whole life history there.

549
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,160
and versus those that are more transient and more attractive.

550
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,160
So you see that those that are more attracted,

551
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,580
such as your amberjack, some jacks and such,

552
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:37,440
whereas your goes and blanies will be more on the production side.

553
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Then you have your gray snap or in the middle,

554
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,280
which kind of you know, have a little bit of a little bit of both.

555
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,120
So, you know, not to, not to deep into this,

556
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,180
but obviously fishing is an important part of these artificial reefs.

557
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,140
That's one of our goals and objectives.

558
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:59,240
And that also affects the production activity on the structure.

559
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,420
So in the absence of phishing in the absence of attraction, if you're just simply looking

560
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:08,160
at enhancement, you're seeing the highest level of production.

561
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,940
And then you add phishing on top of that, obviously, some of those phishing removed and brought

562
00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:14,280
home to be enjoyed.

563
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:19,500
And then when you have the attraction component of it, the structure itself is not necessarily

564
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:21,920
they're contributing as much to the fishery.

565
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:27,740
As those species that are more resulting some production

566
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:28,860
from that.

567
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
So getting to the permanent side of things,

568
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,020
all the permits issued for artificial reefs are

569
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:37,680
issued by the Army as Army Corps of Engineers

570
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,800
in federal waters.

571
00:46:39,540 --> 00:46:41,580
They operate under section 10 of the rivers.

572
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:44,740
And our Resacks, Section 404 of the Clean Water Act,

573
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:47,800
they also have a number of federal laws

574
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,760
that they will be reviewing with their federal partners.

575
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,680
And, you know, when we start to think about planning

576
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,260
a new, permitted artificial reef area,

577
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:01,980
which is the reason why we're here today,

578
00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:04,680
we start with the considering the spatial boundaries,

579
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:07,500
the navigational requirements, the marine habitats,

580
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,940
natural reefs, sea and grass,

581
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,120
sandborrowed areas, historical resources, protected species,

582
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:22,460
not only the spatial components of that, but the timing, if there's any critical habitat that's

583
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:27,340
not needs to be protected during a certain period of time, and other uses of the seed floor

584
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:33,200
such as telecommunication cable corridors and such. So when we look down here in the Florida

585
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,540
Keys, we have a total of 61 artificial reefs in our database. You can go on to our website and view

586
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:47,960
this, these are the data that are office maintains, and a lot of these are older, and the

587
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,940
coordinates may not necessarily be so up to date, and they're based on all the ran numbers.

588
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:56,800
When we look off of the Alamurata, we actually have a total of nine reefs, these include

589
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:02,760
quite a few emitters that were deployed in the mid-1980s, the Vibbon Dwayne, the Eagle and

590
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,500
the Alexander Barge, and the Bridge Span material, that's the pile of concrete that you

591
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:14,180
there in the center of the screen. And then the green triangles are are small refalves that

592
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:20,400
were deployed in 1999 and 2000 just like maybe I think a cluster of three of each site for

593
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:29,580
and boy by some some boy scouts. So if we add on that metric contours there in the middle of

594
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:34,320
the screen you'll see the 60-foot contour and a lot of these existing structures are about 100-foot depth

595
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:43,080
maybe 130. Now we also overlay the boundaries of the Florida Keys Marine Sanctuary and then we overlay

596
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:51,700
the locations of existing hard bottom. And John Reynolds was provided me with a series of five

597
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:57,260
coordinates and this is the area that we're looking at for consideration this evening to proceed

598
00:48:57,260 --> 00:49:04,480
doing some investigations who are the village of Ilamarata. He's a located 9.7 miles,

599
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:13,560
9.9 miles from the nearest access points. And the plan would be to look at perhaps in that

600
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,440
area find one spot that's a quarter-nautical mile by a quarter-nautical mile. That will allow it

601
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,260
to be compliant with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and National and Fisheries Service

602
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:31,180
statewide biological opinion for artificial reefs. We can go bigger than that if needed, but that's kind of what

603
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:35,880
what our starting point is here. So when you think about deep water reefs, that slide is located

604
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,740
in 300 foot depth of water. You often think of the large ships such as the ariskenes,

605
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:51,140
do a rovan and bird, and then the anestacilia off of Palm Beach County. And that vessel is I believe

606
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:53,520
that's off of the loose counting.

607
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,420
Also, South Carolina, an artificial deepwater artificial reef-upated

608
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:01,480
deploy there on the left.

609
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,120
That's with deploy and 500-foot depth of water.

610
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,600
And we have other examples of high profile structures,

611
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,940
such as these towers that were deployed off of footmires.

612
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:17,440
And some of you might be aware of the efforts of West Palm Beach

613
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,280
efficient club, Tom Tlyford, who has deployed these, these reef starts and added depth of up to

614
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:30,740
511 feet of water and these have been quite successful with some of their offshore anglers.

615
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:37,700
And so next steps here would be to identify the permit holder. Again, John is asking a forward

616
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:44,560
ability to, on the morada, to be the permit holder in this, following that kind of, you know,

617
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:51,660
at WC together with John and in our research institute to to complete some some desktop analyses,

618
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:56,060
conducts a lot of assessments, I'm going to be down in the area the first week of August,

619
00:50:56,420 --> 00:51:00,380
and so that's an opportunity to complete some drop cameras on this site.

620
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,240
Maybe I'm not on the week and bring down. We will draft out the permit application for the

621
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:10,920
village, review and approval. We'll submit that to the only quarter of the years, and then if

622
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,820
approved and we could look towards allocating some funding, coordinating with Monroe County,

623
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:24,980
using utilizing a portion of that 2324 appropriation and then identify materials, solicit the

624
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:32,340
vendor and complete the deployment. So that is the presentation that I have and I've got a little

625
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:39,600
little video here to play to address any questions that there might be. Thank you for your time.

626
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,940
Counseling by having any questions for Ron or the gentleman speaking.

627
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:54,620
I do. Last time I think it was Mark brought up liability and John I talked to you about it.

628
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:02,720
Let's just say if we hold the permit then if something happens a hurricane

629
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:10,880
in the reef shifts and somebody something happens will be liable. Is that wrong, right? How does that work?

630
00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:17,140
I don't, I'm not sure. I have to see what the rights and obligations are as the permit holder.

631
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,840
I haven't seen a copy of that. I know that when he was here before I had asked for them to reach out.

632
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,600
I hadn't heard anything, so I don't have any additional information from the last presentation.

633
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,100
But you address that with him?

634
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,540
Certainly before any, if the village were to move forward,

635
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,440
we would want to look into the rights and obligations

636
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,040
to make sure to protect the village.

637
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:39,380
Absolutely.

638
00:52:39,580 --> 00:52:41,560
Keith, you want to take that question.

639
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,280
Yeah, and I can chime in a little bit in our experience.

640
00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:48,820
And according to the guidelines that we

641
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:52,900
develop with the agencies, the greatest risk

642
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:54,980
it occurs during the construction phase.

643
00:52:54,980 --> 00:53:04,920
And that is transferred to the, you know, through your, through contracting with the selected vendor to make sure the material is where it's supposed to be placed.

644
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:19,100
Following all the permit requirements, which requires the domain analysis, and also, especially at this depth of water 300 feet, it's highly unlikely that any of those would move during during a storm event.

645
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:27,900
So, Kate, does it, is there FWC overseeing this the whole time of installation or?

646
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,420
Yes, we are here to assist as needed.

647
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:42,740
You know, so if we are needed to be present to help oversee the contractor that we, you know, we will be there to help with that.

648
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:46,800
However, we're also the goal of this $10 million appropriation

649
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,420
to Monroe County is to help restart

650
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:52,400
the County's Artificial Reprogram.

651
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,900
So our expectation as we have with all of our other counties,

652
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,220
33 counties around the state of Florida,

653
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,720
is that the county has the infrastructure

654
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:07,880
to provide the oversight of the contractors' operations.

655
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:10,080
Okay, thank you.

656
00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:13,280
I have a couple of questions, please.

657
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,740
This could be for either Keith or for John.

658
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:20,660
We had a group come to us a couple of years ago that wanted to sink a ship and they

659
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:25,660
ask us for the same kind of a sponsorship or to sign off on the permit and the question

660
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:27,700
of liability arose at that time.

661
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:32,680
And that group offered that they had some sort of insurance and I believe it was through

662
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:38,560
maybe Patty or now we are another scuba diving association.

663
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:55,640
So I don't know if there's a sport-fishing or other-fishing association that may be able to offer some kind of insurance where we could be added on to your policy or however that, I'm just asking if there's a corresponding type of arrangement with your group.

664
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Right, this is a, this is a totally different project, first of all, so the risks deemed in a shallow water reef that you're talking about and divers and clearance are totally different.

665
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:20,920
This is a project that would be an over 300 feet of water.

666
00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:28,780
So, I get that there probably won't be too many divers on that, but I'm just, you know,

667
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:33,460
you never know hungry lawyers find a way to sue, and they're going to look for us because

668
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:37,800
our name is on the permit, but if you learn of that, you can let us know.

669
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,960
The other question I have is more of a science question.

670
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:47,000
I am not a biologist, but I am a fisherman, and I've been fishing down here for over 50 years,

671
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,040
And I've noticed the decline in the fishing and the numbers and the quality and everything.

672
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:58,060
And so what concern I have is that you're reef, although, I mean, it's intended purposes

673
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:59,180
to aggregate fish.

674
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:04,840
So people can catch them and that supports tourism and supports sport fishing and we're the

675
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,820
sport fishing capital of the world and I'm 100% in favor of all that.

676
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:16,600
But as a biologist or as a fishery professional, I wanted to kind of know, is this structure

677
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:22,400
going to draw the fish from existing areas and concentrate them and make it easier for them to

678
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,960
be caught and if it does that's maybe it's okay maybe it's not but would it also provide

679
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,060
some sort of a for lack of a better word bringing ground or nursery in other words if we put

680
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:39,760
this out there is it going to result in an increase of fish or in a decrease because if it just

681
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,140
makes them easier to catch and people slaughter them then I don't know if that's a good thing or

682
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:50,420
I mean, the fish have to have a place to hide, and if we, you know, where I'm going with

683
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:50,660
this?

684
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Yeah, can you address that?

685
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,440
Definitely.

686
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:58,560
At this depth, at this depth, mostly what we're going to be targeting is, is polegic species.

687
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:04,260
Keith can probably speak more to data concerning the benefits of artificial reefs.

688
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,480
And keep in mind, this is not a fad.

689
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:14,680
Fads are a totally different device, a fish attracting device like a fad that moves into

690
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:22,340
upper polygic volumes and then is attacked by, you know, maybe, like, a large industrial

691
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:26,820
fishery or something is kind of a totally different thing that we're talking about.

692
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,720
But if Keith wants to take, I don't know if you want to speak to the benefits of.

693
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,180
Yeah, yeah, well, like I briefly briefly touched on in my presentation, you know, both the

694
00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:45,020
production and production are happening at the structure really depends on the species and their

695
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:52,200
stage in life history. We have plenty of examples of deep water habitats. In fact, that was the

696
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:58,100
actually that one example I gave up in South Carolina placed in 500 feet of water. You know, that's been

697
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:05,060
successful in identifying, you know, they created some new spawning aggregations personally. So that is a perfect

698
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:11,160
example where I think these depot or artificial reef can provide on the on the production side

699
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,920
of the equation. But it's a continuum. You are going to have both. Now, there is going to be

700
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,300
better catch per unit effort at these artificial reef locations that part of our objectives.

701
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:28,560
That is also, you know, why we have very careful fisheries independent and fisheries deep

702
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,580
and in monitoring in place so we can make adjustments to the bag and the size elements. And also,

703
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:37,400
So, you know, we have other things that are improving

704
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:45,200
and science and so on and other

705
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,980
in technological advancements that we've had in recent years and

706
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:56,710
we used to 30 years

707
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:57,190
ago.

708
00:58:57,970 --> 00:59:03,370
So that, you know, all of those factors are part of this big equation of fisheries management

709
00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:10,130
and artificial reefs while they will be, you know, having some better increase to catch

710
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:16,770
in an effort, there is that production side of the equation that you're not getting from

711
00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:24,750
advances in electronics, for example, that is that is a direct increase in the catch

712
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:29,410
green and effort without having that production. So I'd like to think that we're creating

713
00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:35,690
permanent habitats out here and they are providing long-term ecological benefits, but this is

714
00:59:35,690 --> 00:59:40,410
not a replacement for careful fisheries management oversight.

715
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:42,730
All right, that's all I have.

716
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:43,430
Thank you.

717
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:43,870
Thanks, Mark.

718
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:45,490
Elizabeth, you were entering out of anything.

719
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:50,170
You know, I have an opportunity to talk with Pete Fresno this afternoon,

720
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:52,670
and I wonder if we could ask him to comment on this.

721
00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:56,930
He's quite eloquent and I would like to hear what he has to say about it

722
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:57,850
when the time is right.

723
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,420
So if that's a man-able.

724
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,940
One reader.

725
01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:12,620
Good.

726
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:21,760
Yeah, I would. I think you give a different perspective of the issue, which I think would be helpful.

727
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,260
Sure, so good evening council. If this artificial reef is being proposed as a

728
01:00:27,260 --> 01:00:33,640
Marine protected area, specifically a no-take zone, I would be in full support of it. I think the village council

729
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:39,820
should continue to pursue it. I think what it seems like where this reef would be an area

730
01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:44,120
where fish are targeted and harvested, I would not be in support of that. Now, I would recommend

731
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,560
that the council not continue to pursue this. I think we should be advocating for measures

732
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:55,460
that are conserved and enhanced are marine resources and I don't think this meets that criteria.

733
01:00:55,540 --> 01:01:00,520
I don't think there's enough evidence. I show that it's going to benefit our resources. That's my

734
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:10,600
personal opinion on it. Can I speak to that? So in South Carolina, all of those, all of those

735
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:16,520
reefs in recent years are made into something called SMZs and their special management zones,

736
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:22,840
and that is actually the direction that safe would like to take this permit. And so it is very

737
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,900
restrictive on what type of fishing is allowed within these special management zones.

738
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:32,100
And South

739
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:40,080
improving aggregations of species, but growing stock on these artificial reefs and

740
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:48,260
and this allowing the use of gear or overfishing in these areas, but it's

741
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:52,280
called an SMZ and it could be included in the permit application.

742
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:54,440
Henry, go ahead.

743
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:55,720
Just have one question.

744
01:01:55,900 --> 01:02:01,000
Within the last year, I met with I believe his name was Porter and lower

745
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:12,440
And his suggestion was to use the light poles that are being abandoned and broken up for

746
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:14,380
maybe artificial reef.

747
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,220
Is that material conducive to that type of activity?

748
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,380
I can answer that.

749
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:25,520
So the county is actually taking possession of all those poles.

750
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:31,260
They've budgeted a million dollars to pursue and develop artificial reefs.

751
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:36,600
So all of those polls went to the county they're in the county's possession right now to further their program

752
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,840
Okay, good because I mentioned to the DOT and I didn't think any

753
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:51,080
Gravity suit of speak on behalf of this person who are met so it's being done with it or it's fit the Poles are gone

754
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,900
The Poles are gone and the county has possession of so I just question I I'd we've talked before

755
01:02:56,660 --> 01:03:01,160
You talked to potentially about a barge. I don't know if that's changed now that the

756
01:03:01,260 --> 01:03:04,740
states a little bit more involved they're just you could share what you would be

757
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:11,600
thinking out there yeah concrete and and metal barges is the direction of

758
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:18,100
this particular site steel steel barges in concrete yeah

759
01:03:20,250 --> 01:03:21,990
so the county could use

760
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:26,730
the material yeah we we have no involvement in that material whatsoever but

761
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:30,550
I believe the county would probably have a purpose for it and some sort of use yeah

762
01:03:30,550 --> 01:04:00,530
Thank you. So, John, can you or Keith get with our with John Quick and get some information to him to where our Ted so we can decipher this and there can be you know a little bit of relationship there to go over this so we know our John can check out the liability and Ted is that possible if we could get a copy of the application and what eventually would the permit would look like and the kind of responsibility is any kind of additional information that you could

763
01:04:00,530 --> 01:04:03,030
provide us that I could get the Council would be great.

764
01:04:04,970 --> 01:04:05,310
Yes, absolutely.

765
01:04:07,830 --> 01:04:08,130
All right.

766
01:04:08,490 --> 01:04:10,490
I think Captain Ed, did you want to say something?

767
01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:20,610
I'm a record of Captain Davidson.

768
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:26,490
I sat on the Reef Advisory Council to the South Atlantic National Fisheries Council

769
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:29,870
for 17 years after the Magnus and Act was first established.

770
01:04:30,830 --> 01:04:36,030
For the first half dozen of those years, I jointly sat on the Advisory Panel

771
01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:40,130
for the Gulf, Atlantic Fisheries Council,

772
01:04:41,530 --> 01:04:43,830
played a strong hand in writing the brief management

773
01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:49,290
protective regulations from the Texas Mexican border

774
01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:56,550
to Virginia, have long familiarity with artificial reef projects,

775
01:04:58,010 --> 01:05:01,470
some of which can be beneficial, and some of which

776
01:05:01,470 --> 01:05:13,330
can be very controversial and I'm surprised to find myself saying that Commissioner Mark

777
01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:20,970
is absolutely correct and his concerns about them accidentally on foreseen should have

778
01:05:20,970 --> 01:05:28,530
been foreseen. They wind up concentrating fish that are scattered more thinly on the natural

779
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:33,510
habitat and winding up being a very negative contribution

780
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:35,290
to survival of the base stocks.

781
01:05:40,210 --> 01:05:42,830
The proponents have always argued that they're adding habitat

782
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:46,710
and that algae grows on the rex.

783
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:51,530
But the brutal fact is that we have empty niches in all

784
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:54,340
of the natural habitat because everything that's

785
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:58,530
animal was overharvested has been for years.

786
01:05:59,650 --> 01:06:02,670
So the Habitat argument isn't it.

787
01:06:02,890 --> 01:06:04,650
What is absolutely mandatory,

788
01:06:06,890 --> 01:06:10,270
which is referred to, and that is you have to regulate the

789
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:19,190
area where you're going to sink the artificial stuff, whether it's a ship or boulders

790
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:20,710
or broken cement light poles.

791
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:31,250
Because if you don't, there are wire of fish traps, there are long lines, there are

792
01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:36,190
deep water trowels, there are all sorts of commercial fishing techniques and mechanisms

793
01:06:36,190 --> 01:06:43,130
that will not only overharvest the fish that are artificially concentrated, but also damaged

794
01:06:43,130 --> 01:06:46,430
the bottom habitat around the area.

795
01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:54,670
So, it's important for instance, not to put them too near the natural habitat because you're

796
01:06:54,670 --> 01:07:00,490
going to vacuuming the fish for entertainment purposes out of the more protective

797
01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:02,850
natural habitat where they belong.

798
01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:08,230
So you have to be really careful, it's not a magic apple pie kind of a thing.

799
01:07:08,410 --> 01:07:14,590
There are a lot of serious considerations, particularly in the Florida case, because the rest

800
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:20,990
So the shoreline of North America is mostly heart bottom, and a rock out crops, and that's

801
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:21,450
sort of thing.

802
01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:27,550
Here we have living reef, tropical reef, that came up into Gulf Stream, from Central

803
01:07:27,550 --> 01:07:28,530
America and the Caribbean.

804
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:30,450
It's a lot more sensitive.

805
01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:36,670
There's only a 10 degree basically temperature survival range for tropical corals.

806
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:41,470
It can't stand a lot of extra stress, in addition to what's going on with the environment,

807
01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:44,910
global warming, ocean acidification, all of those.

808
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:48,390
Captain, can you wrap it up, please, so we have others,

809
01:07:48,550 --> 01:07:50,390
we've got a lot of stuff going on here.

810
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:52,430
And basically, you have to be really, really careful

811
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:56,530
where you cite these because all the natural

812
01:07:56,530 --> 01:07:59,270
based stocks can only stand so much predation

813
01:07:59,990 --> 01:08:04,210
from the natural predators and the natural environment

814
01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:07,250
and the Budweiser hominids.

815
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:09,330
All right, thank you.

816
01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:17,350
So, John, you and Keith, we'll get back to our attorney, please, or Ted, please follow up with him.

817
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:24,030
Yep. I couldn't agree with him more, and I think that's why the location is absolutely essential outside the boundary where it is.

818
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:29,570
And making this an SMZ would be critical as well. And yes, we can get with more information where you guys, thank you very much.

819
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:37,450
Thank you for your time. Okay, so we're going to move on here to, we're going to open general public comment.

820
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:41,510
So, Marty, do we have somebody signed up for General Public comment?

821
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:44,310
Yes, we have quite a list of folks.

822
01:08:45,850 --> 01:08:46,550
It'll be next.

823
01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:48,150
Coming next.

824
01:08:51,070 --> 01:08:51,310
All right.

825
01:08:51,490 --> 01:08:57,890
The first few speakers would be TJ Wilicker, followed by Jay Ferris, followed by Dave Galen,

826
01:08:58,670 --> 01:09:01,230
and then I can update as they get down.

827
01:09:01,530 --> 01:09:08,610
This is for any just that words, they're not tabs that we're going to have public comment on.

828
01:09:08,610 --> 01:09:16,300
All right, so this is general public comment. If it's about a tab or something we're gonna talk about, then you need to wait until that comes up

829
01:09:17,050 --> 01:09:18,630
All right, all right, Marty

830
01:09:20,580 --> 01:09:24,690
So first up would be TJ Wiliker, Jay Ferris, and Dave Gailin

831
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:30,820
What's it?

832
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,280
It just it was a little yeah, yeah

833
01:09:37,150 --> 01:09:40,170
Ted, can you get Terry see if we can make it a cooler?

834
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:45,510
Okay, young man. All right, thank you

835
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:51,390
G. J. Wellaker. I'm a lifelong fisherman and from most of the people that you'll probably

836
01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:56,310
hear from the next time not originally from here. But I've been a professional fisherman for

837
01:09:57,830 --> 01:10:03,330
about two years or so. And then fortunately I went through a crash in the Great Lakes

838
01:10:03,930 --> 01:10:15,270
with a mismatch fishery that collapsed and destroyed entire towns. And we all know that

839
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:20,410
not live here. And I am in full support of the Artificial

840
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:30,390
Reprogram Building Habitat and policing it to the extent where we're not

841
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:34,390
just killing fish like Peter spoke about. We're not here to kill fish, but we're

842
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:41,790
creating environment. We're creating a sustainable fishery, hook in line, and

843
01:10:41,790 --> 01:10:46,530
creating the longevity of Alamurata, why people come here.

844
01:10:47,470 --> 01:10:47,810
That's the reason.

845
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:48,350
I'm here.

846
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:51,630
That's the reason that a lot of people come here to come fishing.

847
01:10:52,090 --> 01:10:56,550
You spoke about how long that you've fished here as well.

848
01:10:56,970 --> 01:11:00,290
Unfortunately, we have a couple of fisheries that are suffering greatly.

849
01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:05,890
And unless something's done to help other fisheries, there's going to be a significant problem.

850
01:11:06,730 --> 01:11:11,370
So I'll just keep every if and I'm in tell support of the Artificial Reprogram.

851
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:12,670
Thank you.

852
01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:13,710
Thank you.

853
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,160
Next up, Jay first.

854
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,480
Hello everybody.

855
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,980
Jay friends, I own ASAP Marine construction.

856
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:35,040
I've been talking with John for quite a while trying to work on the logistics of moving material out there.

857
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,840
Getting a place where it's supposed to be.

858
01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:39,700
I'm in full support of it.

859
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:42,540
Once the science and the legalities are figured out.

860
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:48,660
If we can get some some more direction on what we're taking out there and how we're getting it out there

861
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:54,160
Then I'd like to participate in it all for my services anybody has any questions on

862
01:11:54,160 --> 01:12:02,400
How or what we're gonna do feel free to call me. I have three yards one in the village one in tab and here and one in key largo where we can

863
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,260
Store stuff bring stuff in

864
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:11,360
Save it crush it deal with it make it compatible to be put out so anything I can do

865
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:14,560
Colin asks me, we'll figure it out.

866
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:16,460
Thank you, Jay.

867
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:19,720
Dave Gailer?

868
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,540
Yes, ma'am, Dave Gailer.

869
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,300
I own KK4 Charters at Wilharb Arena.

870
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:29,960
I'm in full support of this artificial reef program.

871
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,600
As long as everything is getting done, the way it should be done, everything is checked out.

872
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,460
It's proper placing and the fishing that gets done there is proper.

873
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,040
It's not over-fished, illegally-fished.

874
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:51,160
Fish Trouts have been banned for years, long lines are banned and highly regulated and I'm

875
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,480
in full support of that I hope you guys will hold permit and be really awesome to have

876
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:55,820
another place to fish.

877
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:57,200
Thank you.

878
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,280
Thank you.

879
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,300
Who's next money?

880
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:01,200
Joey's balding?

881
01:13:09,090 --> 01:13:10,390
My name is Joey's balding.

882
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:11,330
I'm a local down here.

883
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:12,350
I'm born and raised down here.

884
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:13,730
I'm a third generation captain.

885
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:16,230
I run the legacy out of postcard in.

886
01:13:16,810 --> 01:13:19,910
I believe this is an awesome opportunity for us.

887
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:26,210
you know, as long as the, you know, it is regulated, how we fish it, but um, you know,

888
01:13:26,350 --> 01:13:30,450
there's, there's a lot of benefits that can come from this artificial, um, artificial

889
01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:37,050
reprogram, I think, um, and having the opportunity to have the first shot at it, you know,

890
01:13:37,090 --> 01:13:43,230
before it gets to the, you know, Monroe County, and you know, I think this is just a great

891
01:13:43,230 --> 01:13:47,330
opportunity. There's a lot of different types of fishing, you know, we have our highly

892
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:53,190
migratory species, you know, even if it was fished around and you could cut sale fish off of it

893
01:13:53,190 --> 01:13:57,650
and release, you know, that's catch and release, you know, a lot of the fishing we do too is catch and release,

894
01:13:58,570 --> 01:14:03,510
you know, I do believe in conservation. I believe that things should be properly managed.

895
01:14:05,170 --> 01:14:11,430
I just, I'm in full support of this and I hope that we can move in the right direction with this program. Thank you.

896
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:12,710
Thank you.

897
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:14,500
Morning.

898
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:15,180
Who's next?

899
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,440
John Reynolds is also signed up to speak on this, so I don't know if he wants to speak

900
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,480
as a citizen or not.

901
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:23,640
Okay.

902
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:24,860
Okay.

903
01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:25,980
This is John.

904
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,640
Kyle is also signed up.

905
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:28,300
Carlos G.

906
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,080
But I believe he has spoke already.

907
01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:30,880
Okay.

908
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,140
So next up is Sandy Besec.

909
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:36,180
Okay.

910
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,600
So Sandy, say hello.

911
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:39,160
So that's.

912
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:39,680
That's.

913
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,340
Okay.

914
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:41,400
Are that said?

915
01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:42,060
Next up.

916
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:42,300
No.

917
01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:42,760
No.

918
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,120
general public

919
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:59,720
comment hi Sandy basically a 40-year full-time property owner and Alan

920
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,020
I'm here to advocate for you all to please put the breaks on the many expensive and impactful changes currently under consideration for founders and all of our parks until a master plan is vetted by the full Islanderada community.

921
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:21,400
The Parks and Recs Committee charged with hearing such proposals meets only four times a year for a grand total of seven hours a year.

922
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:29,480
Their meetings are not televised to inform the full community live, yet they are expected to deal with proposals that impact easily

923
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:33,160
hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer-supported parks.

924
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:36,160
Changes mostly benefiting tourists and often

925
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,800
favoring part-time residents and elite interest

926
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,580
without the full input of all island-rounded taxpayers.

927
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,880
And June 13th, I attended the Parks and Recs meeting

928
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,880
as I almost always do it was called an emergency meeting

929
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,660
by the Village Manager to process requests

930
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:53,000
a group of pickleball advocates, attendees,

931
01:15:53,220 --> 01:15:55,940
who clearly wish to promote major tournament venues,

932
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,700
which would require a large number of new courts

933
01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:01,620
to be constructed in Founders Park by Residence taxpayers.

934
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:06,460
When asked by the committee, why can't they simply drive to Key Largo, where 20 courts

935
01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:11,580
are being currently built, one at the podium actually stated that the drive from I'm not

936
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:13,800
at the Key Largo was not seeing it enough.

937
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:20,320
This is not an emergency, but it is now, because the pickleball group wants many more courts

938
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,880
to be built, which would infringe on Founders Park Green Space, including moving the boulders

939
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,940
on the great lawn to create new parking spots,

940
01:16:28,340 --> 01:16:30,260
provide for treatment levels of participants,

941
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:31,780
their suggestion.

942
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,240
The tennis folks presence stated they would prefer not

943
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,460
to share space with the picclers, though multi-use markings

944
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:39,740
are easy to arrange.

945
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,540
Additionally, the current village manager,

946
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:44,720
who also attended this meeting, has stated

947
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,460
it's one of his priorities to build new village government

948
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:50,840
buildings inside Founders Park with a large community

949
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,940
hearing room and individual offices for each council member,

950
01:16:53,940 --> 01:16:58,280
even though they can perform their administrative duties from home.

951
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:02,340
And if larger space is needed for certain occasion when meetings,

952
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:07,000
Coral Shore's high school is very experienced and skilled at live TV broadcast

953
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,600
Dean of School Board meetings.

954
01:17:09,340 --> 01:17:11,900
So there's no clear justification for this.

955
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:18,440
And there has been no explanatory public hearings for constructing new major government buildings

956
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:23,600
that great taxpayer expense and certainly not an environmentally sensitive, beautifully

957
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:29,320
forested areas as Founders Park, like the rumored location on the hill where there are many

958
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:34,560
native trees that should not be cut down, not a single one of them. Clearly, a pause in all

959
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,580
parks development should be authorized by the Village Council until there is a comprehensive

960
01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:45,740
master plan draft that has been shared transparently and commented upon and agreed to the

961
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:53,240
taxpayer owners of what should remain primarily a family-nature-oriented park. Lastly, the Parks

962
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:58,800
and Records Committee should meet monthly and be televised while discussing the format

963
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:04,360
for the obviously-needed community-endorous, comprehensive master plan for Founders Park and all

964
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:04,680
of that.

965
01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:05,640
Thank you.

966
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,140
Mayor, could I just clear the record real quick?

967
01:18:09,140 --> 01:18:11,600
There's so much incorrect in that presentation.

968
01:18:14,420 --> 01:18:17,320
So all of our parks and rec meetings are assumed.

969
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,300
So we have a lot of participants that actually participate

970
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:23,860
by Zoom so they all are all out there for public viewing.

971
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:29,800
This conversation has been gone on well before me

972
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,640
as it relates to the growth of the Pickable All Group and Almerada.

973
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:39,080
So this project has been before parks and rec before and has come back a couple of times

974
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:43,000
and that was a purpose of the meeting because there's continues to grow and there's continued

975
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:50,380
to be pursued by Parks and Rec. So it's not designed to be a tournament venue. The level

976
01:18:50,380 --> 01:18:55,440
of courts, I believe someone mentioned at the meeting that you could host a local tournament

977
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:01,360
if you wanted to, as it relates to construction of, I did not say that we were going to build

978
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,140
individual offices for council. However, if that's something you want, we can talk about it,

979
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,980
but that was not brought up that evening. What we did is talk conceptually about

980
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:15,140
the project of a public work facility in council chambers on property that is not currently active

981
01:19:15,140 --> 01:19:19,800
recreation area. So I just I just wanted to correct that because it was okay.

982
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:28,020
And Ted I will say listen I've had people knock on my door there's I see a gentleman sitting out here asking about

983
01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:36,500
two years ago. So anyways, anybody, anybody else smarty for general public comment?

984
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:42,560
Yes, next up, Ben Kiddner. Okay. How many more after him, Bernie?

985
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:48,610
For general.

986
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:53,310
Six. Okay. Okay, Ben.

987
01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:58,690
Good evening, Castle. I'm Ben Kiddner. And I'm holding in my hand.

988
01:19:58,690 --> 01:20:11,830
Twenty-seven emails on Marty McGrath's stationary that were texted in support of Mr. Yates.

989
01:20:13,890 --> 01:20:27,870
And they comprise a large amount of the building and development faction of Islanderada as well as a lot of the wealthy landowners who really like Mr. Yates and think he's the best thing since peanut butter.

990
01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:31,970
And I have to differ with that.

991
01:20:32,030 --> 01:20:37,330
I'm afraid because we will discuss later in the meeting,

992
01:20:38,690 --> 01:20:42,190
the overruns from payage excavating contracts,

993
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,870
which have stretched into $4 million,

994
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:50,610
which shows that they were improperly supervised and managed.

995
01:20:51,670 --> 01:20:56,230
And that's from the public works department and the finance department.

996
01:20:56,230 --> 01:21:06,390
with this never broke into the public spear until such time as, you know, within the last few months.

997
01:21:07,470 --> 01:21:11,610
And to me, that's a side of mismanagement.

998
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:20,370
And Mr. Yates has been since his inception, a source of dissension in the staff

999
01:21:20,370 --> 01:21:27,070
because for one thing, when you fire somebody with the incredible impeccable credentials of

1000
01:21:27,070 --> 01:21:33,050
Dan Galizio, who is doing a sterling job for 18 months, without so much as an explanation,

1001
01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:40,510
just an arbitrary and capricious dismissal, which casts darkness on his reputation.

1002
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:45,850
I don't see that as being a good managerial procedure.

1003
01:21:45,850 --> 01:22:00,070
And I don't see having these employees of the village subjected to the fear of having this

1004
01:22:00,070 --> 01:22:07,170
kind of bias on the diets, because for example, Mr. Greg is wearing on his chest there,

1005
01:22:07,170 --> 01:22:16,610
the Ted team Ted. Okay, so team Ted, you know, team Ted paid for these 27 things to be put out here

1006
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:22,870
by the attorney right before the meeting. Okay, so the, you know, it's pretty obvious to anyone that's

1007
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:30,290
looking the fix is in. I mean, he's got heavy support from the bias on the diets. And, and I'm just saying that

1008
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:45,270
The consideration of the, he has closed off every way he possibly can, the, the ability of the public to interact with the village staff.

1009
01:22:45,690 --> 01:22:50,890
And the village staff are scared of being fired if they don't fall in with the bias on the dice.

1010
01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:54,790
And you know, this is, I'm not making this stuff up.

1011
01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:57,950
No, I'm really, I'm really not.

1012
01:22:58,630 --> 01:23:02,330
Excuse me. We have other people that are going to talk. I need to let them have their turns.

1013
01:23:02,830 --> 01:23:06,030
Excuse me. Yes, sir. Okay, fine. Thank you very much before who's coming up next,

1014
01:23:06,330 --> 01:23:06,390
Marty?

1015
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:13,190
K-Craft. Okay. Before before the next person comes up, I have this email that VAM was just talking about.

1016
01:23:13,310 --> 01:23:21,430
I want to public to see this is Mr. Barnaby Rich. Barnaby Rich is a resident here, and Barnaby is not a contractor.

1017
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:25,470
I want people to know Barnaby Rich.

1018
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:32,810
Bob Rich lives here in Alamurada, okay, so that's my first email when Van said that I looked at the email

1019
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:40,850
Barnaby is not a developer, okay, he's he's a he's a resident here, and he's supported the Coral Shore's high school

1020
01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:48,670
Excuse me, van, excuse me. I have no no sit down. I'm not sit down. I also mentioned sort of that there were a number of wealthy

1021
01:23:48,670 --> 01:23:49,370
okay

1022
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:53,590
residents that we're in here too. So don't just don't try to

1023
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:58,330
obviously escape the city out of here. Mr. I just want to let the public know that Barnaby

1024
01:23:58,330 --> 01:24:04,230
Rich has helped coach Rich Russell at the high school for many years with a cross. Barnaby

1025
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:13,370
is a very giving young man. Okay. So that's where this email. There is other people. Wayne Porter

1026
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:18,950
I saw earlier this afternoon. Wayne and Tina have been here for 40 years. Okay. Island Community

1027
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:23,770
church. Alright Wayne runs the worship there so anyways let's move on with the next

1028
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:27,630
public general public comment please. Jake Roth.

1029
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:36,000
Yeah good evening Captain Jake Roth. I'm

1030
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,640
like eight year captain down here and just in the last eight years I definitely

1031
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:44,220
noticed a decrease in the fishing sadly some of them are doing better than

1032
01:24:44,220 --> 01:24:50,580
others some are obviously struggling. But in regards to the refroject that we're

1033
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:55,060
A lot of us are going to be a catching release fishery, potentially sale fish.

1034
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,180
Obviously, we're going to take the pelagic fish, like two nodes in Kingfish and that stuff.

1035
01:25:01,820 --> 01:25:08,360
Another side of this is, if we lose this ability to control these permits, excuse me, permits,

1036
01:25:08,700 --> 01:25:11,980
we could potentially not have the ability to manage this zone.

1037
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:19,420
If it goes to the county and it gets dispersed wherever, we don't have a saying where it goes or what happens with it.

1038
01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:24,180
that might be something to think about. We could potentially say this is going to be regulated on

1039
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:30,440
our terms because we're picking the spot where we might not have that choice if the county says

1040
01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:34,220
we're going to put it in your backyard and it's just going to happen and you don't really get to say

1041
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:40,060
in it. So something to think about. Thank you very much for your time. Everybody that's came up

1042
01:25:40,060 --> 01:25:43,340
about that. Who's next, Marty? Thank you, Flair.

1043
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,140
60 seconds of good stuff. Not bad at all. Okay,

1044
01:25:54,140 --> 01:25:58,040
They frankly are representing the Upper Keys Rotary Club just wanted to give you a quick

1045
01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,420
report on the Fourth of July.

1046
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:05,880
The Fourth of July event here at Founders Park went off very well beautifully, one of

1047
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,860
the main reasons was because of Maria and her staff.

1048
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,160
They did a great job, tremendous amount of work,

1049
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:18,780
can't say enough about them.

1050
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:23,800
The Upper Keys Rotary Club in cooperation with the village of Al Marada and some sponsorship

1051
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:31,100
ship from the airport authority, puts together the 4th of July event for the Village of

1052
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:37,060
Almyrata, and this year we ran out of parking, we did not run out of rum punch, that

1053
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:37,840
went okay.

1054
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:44,820
And otherwise it was a very, very good event, the staff did a beautiful job for us.

1055
01:26:45,460 --> 01:26:49,920
The Upper Keys Roadary Club, I got to come back to the village in early November and help

1056
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:57,180
sponsored here. So we'll be working with you for the same kind of thing then. So thank you very much for the

1057
01:26:57,180 --> 01:27:01,020
cooperation of your staff. They did a great job and we'll see you in November.

1058
01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:02,680
Thank you, Frank.

1059
01:27:07,650 --> 01:27:08,650
Bernie who's next?

1060
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:16,590
Jordan Eddinger. Jordan?

1061
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:22,480
Okay.

1062
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:26,300
Somebody want to grab these

1063
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:30,460
was he Walter Walker Stanley? Walter Stanley in here

1064
01:27:35,140 --> 01:27:37,740
who's next? Tony Young.

1065
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:42,640
Well, everyone I think

1066
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,180
They're just right outside, but I'll go ahead.

1067
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,120
My name's Tony Young, a business owner here in Alamara,

1068
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,620
for every young charter company.

1069
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,860
I think I can bring an interesting perspective

1070
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:52,980
on the Artificial Reef Program, first off,

1071
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:54,520
I'm in full support of it.

1072
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:56,800
My company specializes in charter fishing

1073
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,360
and also spearfishing and diving.

1074
01:27:59,180 --> 01:28:01,800
It's been a long time since we've had an Artificial Reef

1075
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,360
put down.

1076
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,200
I think this is a huge opportunity for Alamara

1077
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,560
to be the permanent holder being controlled as project

1078
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,300
and really do something great for our community here.

1079
01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:12,220
When we talk about the marine species

1080
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:17,440
and the management of a fishery, just to isolate one of the particular would be a group of species

1081
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:23,020
black group. On the diving side, a lot of these species are closed during their spawning time.

1082
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:27,180
And we see that on the eagle, they're doing the bibs, some of our large artificial reefs that

1083
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:32,880
use fish spawn in large numbers that may have not congregated there before. So this would be an

1084
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,640
opportunity for another artificial reef to provide a spawning ground for fisheries that are,

1085
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:42,120
you

1086
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:46,740
said it's out of the realms of a lot of bonnet fishing and it would be a mainly catching release

1087
01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:50,300
fishery so I'm in full support of it I think it's a great opportunity for Alamarata

1088
01:28:50,300 --> 01:28:54,660
and I really appreciate you all this time thank you guys you know man hey can you tell

1089
01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:59,560
those your friends outside did whoever we'll send we'll send him in he said he's not

1090
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,760
up oh he's not all right who's next marney

1091
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:09,840
Joe Wishmire and I think Andy Newman said he wanted to say something to you so

1092
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:16,000
Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Mr. Mayor and Council, well, here we go again with all the

1093
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:20,940
talk about keeping meeting shorter and more manageable, so decisions made by Council

1094
01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:26,960
on important items happen before late hours. Some, at midnight, when everyone is tired and

1095
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,520
worn out. Tonight's meeting starts with one presentation, three committee reports, then

1096
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:38,800
a tarny manager, communications, which includes items like update on the fills and a comprehensive

1097
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:44,240
plan amendment, which is so important it should be on the agenda where a public comment

1098
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:49,800
is done. Then there are 19 tabs to be discussed. Do you think that that meeting will

1099
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:57,050
conclude before midnight? Tab 16 and 17 regulating a mending administrative relief and

1100
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:59,970
a touring on V-Pass, which has not been heard by the

1101
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,620
Yolpiae, I don't believe, are at the end of the meeting when council members in public are, again, tired, worn out, and hungry.

1102
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:23,580
The agenda packet is 472 pages long. As a resident of Islam Rata, I don't get access to that information until it is posted Friday afternoon before the meeting on Thursday. Not much time to decipher all that information.

1103
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:29,620
I remember when Mayor Pinder would not hear an agenda item regarding floor area ratio, which

1104
01:30:29,620 --> 01:30:35,160
was presented by our fire planning director, Dan Glizio, to help control development because

1105
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:40,160
he did not find out about it until his packet came out, well, just like the rest of us.

1106
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:45,200
With talk in the past about adding more counsel meetings and even special call meetings,

1107
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,580
you feel that pickleball courts are important enough to warrant a special call meeting, yet

1108
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:56,760
tonight, we get another marathon meeting. I would hope you as council would reconsider your priorities

1109
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:03,120
and use everyone's time more efficiently. We all know how crazy many seasons is. You even

1110
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:10,260
have scheduled a council meeting for the second day during many season. Really? And here it is 7 o'clock

1111
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:19,850
and we're still on public comments so we know how long the meeting will go. Thank you. Thank you very

1112
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:20,850
down Richard.

1113
01:31:22,030 --> 01:31:24,690
I'll keep this very brief because it's been spoken on a bunch tonight.

1114
01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:27,170
It's about the Artificial Reef Project.

1115
01:31:27,550 --> 01:31:28,850
I'm sorry, Richard Black, I'm running.

1116
01:31:30,290 --> 01:31:31,730
I just wanted to mention a couple of things.

1117
01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:36,090
One, QS has several of these Artificial Reefs in near proximity

1118
01:31:36,090 --> 01:31:38,370
of major spawning aggregation sites.

1119
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:41,390
And does it pull away from those major spawning aggregation sites?

1120
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:45,950
And in fact, spreads out people from fishing that one spawning

1121
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:51,390
and gives them more options to fish. So that's something to think about when putting a deep water wreck.

1122
01:31:51,790 --> 01:31:59,170
The other thing, Jake, also had mentioned earlier, if you guys don't take this permit, you can bet the county will take it.

1123
01:31:59,170 --> 01:32:08,050
And if they take it, you will have no control over that, and we can have another eagle site or another near shore reef site that really doesn't help what we really need.

1124
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:10,170
So a couple things to think about. Thank you.

1125
01:32:10,610 --> 01:32:12,810
Thank you, Richard. Marny, anybody else?

1126
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:22,410
I don't have any hands raised on Zoom, and I don't have anyone else specifically signed up to speak right now.

1127
01:32:22,730 --> 01:32:25,530
Okay, Andy, did you want to say something before we close it?

1128
01:32:32,260 --> 01:32:32,400
Okay.

1129
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,860
Well, if you're going to speak, yes, but if, okay, thank you.

1130
01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:41,800
So with that being said, public comment is now, general public comment is closed.

1131
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:43,180
All right.

1132
01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:43,960
Let's move on.

1133
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,560
So Diane, can you please come forward and give us your report, Young Lady?

1134
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:49,380
Yes, sir.

1135
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:49,720
I can.

1136
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:57,880
Thank you. I'm Diane Harboy. I'm the chairperson for the near shore citizens advisory committee for the near shore water.

1137
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:05,960
I just want to give you a little update on what we're up to and what's happening. The committee heard from staff updates. I'm the Papa Joe's bud and Mary's idle speed.

1138
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:14,800
No wake zone. We are happy to report that the permit approvals are moving forward and I was informed yesterday. We actually got our army core.

1139
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:23,140
So we are going to have all of the no-wake idle speed markers before Papa Joe's opens.

1140
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:30,940
So I want to give a big shout out to everybody on that committee because they had the foresight to start early enough to make that happen.

1141
01:33:31,420 --> 01:33:33,980
And a special thank you to Pete.

1142
01:33:34,780 --> 01:33:36,060
He's bad at it.

1143
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:36,780
He's bad man.

1144
01:33:36,780 --> 01:33:37,540
He gets it.

1145
01:33:38,020 --> 01:33:39,380
So Pete, you're awesome.

1146
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:40,840
Thank you.

1147
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:46,060
All right, the committee continues to monitor the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary rule making.

1148
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:51,540
We are particularly interested in the newly formed Marine Booye working group,

1149
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:57,740
and how that committee and the village can participate with this group to achieve shared,

1150
01:33:58,060 --> 01:34:03,580
signage, and enforcement goals. The committee heard updates from the White Marlin Beach

1151
01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:09,380
vessel exclusion zone and supports the current plan and will continue to support the homeowners

1152
01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:16,000
as well as a village to address the ongoing public safety issues in this location.

1153
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:22,080
The committee discussed the public safety issues at Tavanere Creek that we are seeing, Council

1154
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:28,860
Support to Draft, and pass a resolution directed to the state, supporting the extension

1155
01:34:28,860 --> 01:34:36,820
of the no-wag zone in Tavanere Creek to the mouth of the creek on the bay side, at the end

1156
01:34:36,820 --> 01:34:41,340
the tree line. There's so many paddle borders and everything in there now and bigger

1157
01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:47,540
faster boats. We all know about the blind corner. So we would like to work with the village

1158
01:34:47,540 --> 01:34:53,260
to pass the resolution to the state. This resolution should be coordinated concurrently

1159
01:34:53,260 --> 01:34:58,220
with Monroe County, giving their shared jurisdiction over tab near Creek.

1160
01:34:59,540 --> 01:35:03,280
The committee heard public comment regarding the no-wake zone at the south end of

1161
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:08,780
harbor. This is the, if you go out, we'll harbor channel from the base side. You

1162
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:12,480
hang a right, and you go by whale harbor, Marina. This is what we were

1163
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:17,560
talking about. Given the lack of visible signage, there are ongoing

1164
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:22,920
violations that pose threats to boaters and the local captains, because they get

1165
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:27,780
on-plane as soon as they hang a right. Some of those boats are like face towards

1166
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:31,820
postcard in. They're fairly shallow. They get bounced on the bottom,

1167
01:35:31,820 --> 01:35:51,760
Prop Damage all kinds of stuff so committee members are reaching out to whale harbour to discuss the possibility of placement of no-wake zone signage on the whale harbour property and seek council support to reach out to F. dot regarding placement of potential signs on their property

1168
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:57,740
The committee is asking the village to authorize funds for additional signage at this location,

1169
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:04,800
and no way signage in both directions at the first-screen marker as you go out towards the ocean.

1170
01:36:05,780 --> 01:36:07,760
So we're asking for funding for that.

1171
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,020
The committee received an update from the Sheriff's Department,

1172
01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:17,960
and was thrilled to hear about the increased activity related to removal of derelict vessels.

1173
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:25,520
The committee continues to support the extended hours and staffing for patrol on the water.

1174
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,020
And that concludes my formal report.

1175
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,920
I do want to speak for one second to what Sharon spoke to earlier.

1176
01:36:32,500 --> 01:36:38,320
The guys association did come to the near shore water committee about utilizing the ramp.

1177
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,340
And at that time whoever had run it before,

1178
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:49,200
basically shut us down and said no, we don't want to bring it back, they didn't want

1179
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:54,800
the commercial activity on the property at the marina, and they were concerned about

1180
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,760
the parking. For not just those captains and their trailers, but for their clients

1181
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:04,880
that they might be picking up here. So I'm just telling you what I know from what we

1182
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:11,080
went through. I will say that Ken, Mr. Gay tier, he had some out-of-the-box great ideas

1183
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:17,760
about possibly some of the places that where the village is buying up some properties like maybe like

1184
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:23,180
down there by care via the blackwater, that's buying some of that property so that they could utilize

1185
01:37:23,180 --> 01:37:29,060
that ramp already existing, parked or trucks and cars and stuff there. So he's an out of the box

1186
01:37:29,060 --> 01:37:34,900
thinker and I think he cares about our community and I'd like to say thank you. And that's my report.

1187
01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:36,640
And let's cancel out any questions.

1188
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:38,040
Yeah, I have some questions.

1189
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,440
So thank you Diane, that's as usual, a great report.

1190
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,860
So I know I asked this at a prior meeting

1191
01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:44,920
and we discussed it a little bit.

1192
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:50,080
But if I could, is it possible for us to get a copy of this?

1193
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:54,940
No, it's not in the packet, but it would be helpful

1194
01:37:54,940 --> 01:37:57,260
because you just asked us to do five things.

1195
01:37:58,140 --> 01:37:58,920
And they're important.

1196
01:37:59,300 --> 01:38:00,540
And I don't know how we would follow it.

1197
01:38:00,540 --> 01:38:03,260
What's the procedure for following up on those requests?

1198
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,220
Right.

1199
01:38:04,220 --> 01:38:07,060
I know we talked about this yesterday.

1200
01:38:07,780 --> 01:38:13,840
It's not been practiced for formal reports to be, you know, turned into and then put

1201
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:19,120
in part of Council Packers, but I'm happy to work with our committees.

1202
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:24,440
I know there's a lot of changes from we go on with committees, as it relates to Council Attendants

1203
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:34,200
and Potential Reporting, but we can definitely work on that to get that in part of the

1204
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:39,660
I mean, I actually, I can't remember the first thing that you asked for us to do and you just said it.

1205
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,740
So, um, can, are you an agreement that it would be helpful?

1206
01:38:43,060 --> 01:38:47,400
And they have to write something anyway, so it would be a submission, can we agree on that?

1207
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:54,640
Okay, but now, um, can we talk for a second about, follow through on the request that she made?

1208
01:38:54,740 --> 01:38:56,060
How does that, what does that look like?

1209
01:38:56,180 --> 01:39:00,720
If you could send me the request that, it, it, it came out of your report.

1210
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:06,040
I'd be happy to get those to Council and then we can look at ways to how to expedite, you know,

1211
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,560
and discuss how to be this happened.

1212
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,400
And discuss how to get those things done.

1213
01:39:11,620 --> 01:39:14,600
Yeah, I think you guys do great work and they're important.

1214
01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:19,280
It's all very important and I'd like to support those requests formally.

1215
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:25,500
And I think as the changes in committee that, you know, part of that legislation because I have a council representative

1216
01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:30,000
and that's going to be real important because I think there's a lot of dialogue that goes on in that committee

1217
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:37,080
that it would be great for Council to hear firsthand versus I know rushed kind of summary report.

1218
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:43,200
There's there's a lot of interaction that goes on in the meetings that I think would be great

1219
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:47,580
for Council to attend and then and then and then also then you've got a Council person that can

1220
01:39:47,580 --> 01:39:53,240
help relay what that directed from that committee is. Right and we had discussed that in the past

1221
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:57,480
and I know Henry came to one of our meetings and we thank you for that and you know we'd love to see

1222
01:39:57,480 --> 01:40:02,200
council member attend all of the advisory committee meetings to have a better idea of, you

1223
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:07,420
know, not all of you at one, but you know, yeah, like you don't have anything else to do.

1224
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:10,960
So I'd like to see that too.

1225
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:11,680
All right.

1226
01:40:11,860 --> 01:40:12,740
So Ted, we're going to handle that.

1227
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:13,120
Thank you.

1228
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:14,640
Thank you.

1229
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:18,680
Ms. Carolyn Whiteman, can you please come forward,

1230
01:40:21,090 --> 01:40:21,970
Arson Ratt?

1231
01:40:24,250 --> 01:40:28,830
I'm Carolyn Whiteman with Parks and Rec Committee and I'm here to report on just

1232
01:40:28,830 --> 01:40:36,250
to clarify something, the special call meeting was not as extensive as is being reported.

1233
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:45,230
The special call meeting was designed to support the decision about how to finish the tennis

1234
01:40:45,230 --> 01:40:51,650
courts because there had already been a tennis courts or designed to be, they're supposed

1235
01:40:51,650 --> 01:40:55,330
to be redone at the end, I believe, of July.

1236
01:40:55,330 --> 01:41:03,350
And so the special call meeting was specifically for the question of how those five courts would be aligned.

1237
01:41:04,010 --> 01:41:11,770
And whether possibly one of the courts might be a multi-use for combination of pickleball and tennis.

1238
01:41:12,130 --> 01:41:15,830
So that's the only purpose for this special call meeting.

1239
01:41:16,030 --> 01:41:24,970
I'll say on the side, I personally have no objection and would agree that it would be helpful if the committee

1240
01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:33,030
is part of an overall planning group because obviously how other areas of the park are being

1241
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:39,050
used, having an overall plan obviously makes sense. But just to clarify this meeting must

1242
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:46,070
specifically about one issue and it was designed for that because of the tennis. So we have

1243
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:52,110
the first thing we did was we wanted to hear about the tennis program because there was a question

1244
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:55,590
about whether one of the courts might be utilized for pickleball.

1245
01:41:55,970 --> 01:41:59,450
We heard from the tennis group, and they have a very active program.

1246
01:42:00,470 --> 01:42:05,750
Both of the tennis pros, for some of you may remember, we've had tennis courts down there

1247
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:10,190
for ever, and there have been times when there were no court, no programs at all.

1248
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:16,830
We have two very active tennis programs and pros that are multi-generational.

1249
01:42:16,830 --> 01:42:23,810
And so the first part of the decision by the committee or recommendations was that the tennis program

1250
01:42:23,810 --> 01:42:29,870
be left as is and the reason for that is the possibility of redoing a fifth court,

1251
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:36,270
the fifth tennis court would involve as they were resurfacing, it would involve putting four

1252
01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:45,010
different sets of pickleball courts, lots of lines, movable nets, and probably most of all a scheduling

1253
01:42:45,010 --> 01:42:52,230
issue as to who has the right to utilize those courts. So the decision was made in conjunction

1254
01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:59,690
with both the pros and in this case Susie is both a tennis professional and also a pickleball

1255
01:42:59,690 --> 01:43:05,310
professional. So we wanted to have their advice as their recommendation. So the first thing that

1256
01:43:05,310 --> 01:43:11,230
was the recommendation of the committee was to leave the five courts as they are. They will be

1257
01:43:11,230 --> 01:43:15,870
surfaced, I believe, the end of this month after the summer programs are over.

1258
01:43:16,350 --> 01:43:20,650
That then brought us to the question from the Pickleball people about, well, okay, what

1259
01:43:20,650 --> 01:43:22,150
are you going to do about us now?

1260
01:43:22,650 --> 01:43:28,970
And so obviously, despite all of the claims of, you know, let's take over the whole great

1261
01:43:28,970 --> 01:43:34,830
law and all the rest of that, it's very clear, first of all, yes, an overall program would

1262
01:43:34,830 --> 01:43:42,750
certainly an overall plan for the park would also be helpful, but it's very clear there

1263
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:45,250
is not much for them to do very much.

1264
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:53,450
So the recommendation or suggestion by various people talking was to explore the possibility

1265
01:43:53,990 --> 01:44:02,470
and to refer to the manager was with us for the meeting and to refer to the manager and

1266
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:10,390
staff, the possibility of exploring whether there might be a place to put some courts back here

1267
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:17,310
where the public works has a lot of stuff and there's parking and so on. That obviously

1268
01:44:17,310 --> 01:44:25,090
makes some juggling about parking and finance and all the rest of that. So this was referred

1269
01:44:25,090 --> 01:44:32,270
and deferred to conversation. And I think the manager has an update on that. What that brought

1270
01:44:32,270 --> 01:44:39,250
then is okay if there's going to be room over there then you're going to use public work so

1271
01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:45,010
where public works is going to go which brought up the conversation of the possibility that

1272
01:44:45,010 --> 01:44:51,710
there is building possibilities and we know nothing specifically about that of whether public

1273
01:44:51,710 --> 01:44:57,950
works might move over into an example chamber and so on but what I'm going to say from our committee

1274
01:44:57,950 --> 01:44:59,970
report is the only top.

1275
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:19,500
Bake that we were focused on was the resurfacing of the tennis courts. And what came from that then was the recommendation for staff and the manager to explore the possibilities of possibly realigning a few more pickled more courts here on this property.

1276
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:28,460
So let me stop and ask if there are any questions and then I'd like for the manager to take over for the next step.

1277
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,640
Are there any questions on that?

1278
01:45:32,180 --> 01:45:32,960
Mark, any questions?

1279
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:33,820
Do you have Sharon?

1280
01:45:35,940 --> 01:45:37,240
Then looks like it currently.

1281
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:37,720
Okay.

1282
01:45:38,340 --> 01:45:40,500
So maybe I can ask Ted.

1283
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,280
Just Ted was there and he's got the next chapter.

1284
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:50,580
Just briefly, the committee opened up discussing options within using one of our existing tennis courts.

1285
01:45:50,580 --> 01:45:58,680
And then that pivoted, one of the members of Parks and Rec remembered there was the committee had explored expanding our current area.

1286
01:45:58,700 --> 01:46:03,740
So that resurfacing and the dialogue kind of steer toward expanding our current area.

1287
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,800
So that was their recommendation to look at.

1288
01:46:07,940 --> 01:46:13,120
I've been very cautious about building additional courts somewhere.

1289
01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:17,020
I think it takes away from the beauty and a lot of the park settings that we have here.

1290
01:46:17,020 --> 01:46:22,500
I would be, you know, in support of expanding our current area, but you have parking issues and other issues.

1291
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:27,440
So, we did meet with an engineering firm that we've worked with K2 design.

1292
01:46:27,940 --> 01:46:31,260
They've not been engaged, there's no contract that was going to bring it tonight.

1293
01:46:31,820 --> 01:46:39,280
They've quoted approximately $19,000 to do a site plan, lay it out, and then a cost estimate that can be brought back to Council.

1294
01:46:39,980 --> 01:46:43,780
So, we're happy to move forward and explore that if that's okay with Council.

1295
01:46:44,380 --> 01:46:49,400
if not I understand also and you know that's kind of where the whole meeting was you

1296
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,340
know around

1297
01:46:52,380 --> 01:47:02,400
council and that also brings up the question of what would there be for an

1298
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:09,240
overall plan for the for the park because many of us remember when the park didn't exist

1299
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:13,340
and people thought it was a stupid idea to have it and now we've got so many people

1300
01:47:13,340 --> 01:47:18,920
morning so many bits of spaces including oh why don't we put pickle ball in the great lawn well

1301
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:25,320
you know as Frank said we were all here on the 4th of July and there was no place the great lawn is you know

1302
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:31,120
the great lawn is the great lawn and the only reason the parks and wreck facility or the public

1303
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:37,260
work facility and council chambers came up is at long-term as we look at additional parking needs here

1304
01:47:37,260 --> 01:47:45,500
Um, if, if AJ's, you know, shed city where he operates out of is relocated, there's ample parking

1305
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:49,300
on that side that could help for tennis, it could help for pick a block, it could help for

1306
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:51,380
a sporting events on our field.

1307
01:47:51,580 --> 01:47:54,220
So that was the only reason that that was brought up during that meeting.

1308
01:47:54,660 --> 01:47:58,320
So Ted, what you were talking about when Carol and stuff, can you bring that back to sit

1309
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:02,980
the next meeting, something with your, what you're talking about to where, so, so for sake

1310
01:48:02,980 --> 01:48:07,960
time we can yeah I can bring I can bring the estimate and quote to counsel it's

1311
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:11,360
time yeah more and for me it's under the authority but I'm happy to bring it and

1312
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:16,940
put it on the agenda just follow up with that because we just talked about a number

1313
01:48:16,940 --> 01:48:24,800
of items that need to be planned and so the planning issue is beyond what are we doing

1314
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:32,340
with this park it's it's a big issue so could we request I guess we were asking

1315
01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:37,760
at the next meeting for you to bring back something that is more comprehensive than just looking

1316
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,260
at the park. Because if we're talking about needing more space for AJ and we all, we've known

1317
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:49,240
this because we know his, they have, they have needs up and down the community that, it's a bigger

1318
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:53,240
conversation than just what are we doing with pickleball courts and this park. I mean, especially

1319
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:59,660
things we're talking about, more trailer needs, trailer space for a ramp, and this is a larger

1320
01:48:59,660 --> 01:49:05,040
conference. So, the request would be to bring something back that is encompasses the park

1321
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,100
and village.

1322
01:49:06,860 --> 01:49:09,900
Kurt, all right. Okay, Caroline, is that it?

1323
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:14,040
That's, that's, that's, it was a single solo topic for us.

1324
01:49:14,060 --> 01:49:18,500
Thank you so much for all your your service and what you do. Okay.

1325
01:49:18,500 --> 01:49:20,480
You need to do it. Thank you. Thank you.

1326
01:49:21,060 --> 01:49:21,640
Thank you. Corey.

1327
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,560
Good evening, Council. I'm

1328
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,900
Grable and I'm here to update you on with the historical preservation

1329
01:49:35,900 --> 01:49:40,580
commission's been up to. It's been a while since we've been here so there's kind of a lot to talk

1330
01:49:40,580 --> 01:49:44,680
about but I'll get through this quick second. Our two main projects have been historically

1331
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:50,940
designating some properties and then also the new storyboards behind the monument. So we have

1332
01:49:50,940 --> 01:49:55,580
historically designated two properties in the village, Mickey's Castle or Treasure Village Monastery

1333
01:49:55,580 --> 01:49:59,740
is a lot of people know it and then the Russell Cottage which is now located at the Green

1334
01:49:59,740 --> 01:50:04,460
digital hammock, nature reserve, which houses the Florida Bay Forever campus now.

1335
01:50:05,780 --> 01:50:09,060
So once you historically designate something, how does everybody know it's historically

1336
01:50:09,060 --> 01:50:09,520
designated?

1337
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:16,180
Well, years ago, we came up with the possibility of doing something like, which I have

1338
01:50:16,180 --> 01:50:22,200
copies for all of you, it's a, sorry, it's a port hole, kind of design like a brass port

1339
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:22,620
hole.

1340
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,880
And it's taken us so long because the technology has finally gotten to where we were

1341
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,780
going with, personally, and we're going with all these things that wouldn't fade.

1342
01:50:30,460 --> 01:50:35,080
Well, now it comes to you, you can order the poor hole from Amazon for 50 bucks, and you

1343
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,860
can get, like, uh, it's almost like something that they make digitally, and it just sticks

1344
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:44,000
on it. And that way, it's like easy. And I don't know if anyone, we have a lot of fishing

1345
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:48,320
guys in here, fish the captain's cup at the fishing club recently, they actually gave trophies

1346
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:53,540
a way that looked just like this. So I have a phone call and divinity to find out who made those

1347
01:50:53,540 --> 01:50:59,140
him. So maybe we could hook up with them and work something out for this. So this is kind of what

1348
01:50:59,140 --> 01:51:03,920
if it's something historically designated what we would put on the property outside so they

1349
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:10,840
could be part of where everybody walks around and looks at that kind of thing. So the new storyboards,

1350
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:15,700
if you've been behind the monument, you see where it explains the hurricane and it has some

1351
01:51:15,700 --> 01:51:20,580
little tiny names on it. You can't really see what's going on. So the object was to have a huge

1352
01:51:20,580 --> 01:51:25,360
Matt made out of this special material that would last in the sound over 100 years.

1353
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:30,880
So it took us a couple years to find the right people to get that done and who could do everything we wanted to do.

1354
01:51:31,380 --> 01:51:35,180
So finally, I just found that the minutes today in my email.

1355
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:40,420
November 2021 was the meeting where the storyboards were delivered to us.

1356
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,360
We finally got them done after years of working on them, whatever.

1357
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:50,080
So at the time we had George Pebrera was our chair and he had offered to take them with him

1358
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,320
because he wanted to have them fitted on some big boulders

1359
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,480
that were kind of like the same material as the monument.

1360
01:51:55,380 --> 01:51:56,660
And we're like, George is good.

1361
01:51:56,780 --> 01:51:58,020
Anyone can get it done, George can.

1362
01:51:58,540 --> 01:52:00,300
So George took them at that point.

1363
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:02,940
Well, then as we all know, unfortunately, George passed away.

1364
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,380
He had it for a while before he passed away.

1365
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:09,620
But now, some of his properties will kind of fall into probate

1366
01:52:09,620 --> 01:52:12,060
and some things are going on, so we're not really sure

1367
01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:14,340
where the storyboards are right now.

1368
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:16,540
We're trying to locate them.

1369
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,920
And once we do locate them, and we

1370
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:24,520
can show them to everybody. We're hoping we can get some local commitment from some local contractors

1371
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:29,140
to help us get them put up behind the monument like they should have done. Like George wanted

1372
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:35,620
them done. So that's pretty much where we are. Right now, if you have any questions.

1373
01:52:35,860 --> 01:52:41,300
Any questions for Corey? Henry? I have to ask to question. What's on the story boards?

1374
01:52:41,700 --> 01:52:46,660
The story boards, sorry, I should have gone over that. It's a big giant map. And years ago there

1375
01:52:46,660 --> 01:52:50,600
as a gentleman who was very unhappy because in the monument we have a lot of veterans

1376
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:55,740
in turd, but their names or their branch of service was not like mentioned anywhere.

1377
01:52:56,440 --> 01:53:02,220
So this was kind of a compromise with him, it was a giant map of the keys where the bodies

1378
01:53:02,220 --> 01:53:07,380
were found and the names of the people including the servicemen and the locals and it was

1379
01:53:07,380 --> 01:53:11,400
a servicemen that had their branch of service next to their name, you know, where they were

1380
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:11,820
found.

1381
01:53:11,820 --> 01:53:15,440
So, I mean literally, it's three storyboards that are like,

1382
01:53:15,820 --> 01:53:18,340
in giant crates like this and they wait like a hundred pounds.

1383
01:53:18,460 --> 01:53:20,020
There's no way any one could have just lost them.

1384
01:53:20,420 --> 01:53:21,640
So I'm sure they'll turn up.

1385
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:24,260
I hate to say it like that but I'm not sure.

1386
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:25,300
But that's the idea.

1387
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,800
So in addition to what's back there now is supposed to kind of augment

1388
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:31,620
and give people a better idea of how far somebody's went,

1389
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,240
where they went and things like that and who was there.

1390
01:53:34,540 --> 01:53:39,480
So the monument remains in place with the storyboards on each side.

1391
01:53:39,480 --> 01:53:46,320
No, they'll be behind like you know close to the church, there's this couple back there now so it'll just augment that area there.

1392
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:47,040
Okay.

1393
01:53:47,280 --> 01:54:06,080
And we are searching for the storyboards, so I've been in touch with the Cabrera family and I talk with Sheriff's office today to try to get in touch with some other contacts of George to see if we can search some storage areas and trucks that exist that we know that there's different things.

1394
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,580
So yeah, so we're working to find the boards.

1395
01:54:09,940 --> 01:54:16,100
Cory is that story board similar to the big map that's down it up at the Keylargo government

1396
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:18,440
center on the wall, the one that used to be in the building department.

1397
01:54:18,940 --> 01:54:20,080
It is very similar to that.

1398
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:20,560
Yes.

1399
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:21,480
Thank you.

1400
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:22,820
Dad had one of those.

1401
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:23,600
He's got a couple.

1402
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:24,400
He made copies.

1403
01:54:25,060 --> 01:54:26,060
They're like four foot long.

1404
01:54:26,220 --> 01:54:26,500
Yeah.

1405
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:27,860
Okay.

1406
01:54:28,860 --> 01:54:30,180
Anybody else have anything for Cory?

1407
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:31,920
All right.

1408
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:33,140
Thank you very much, Cory.

1409
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:34,920
All right.

1410
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:41,360
So we are. I say something before I move. I have a question that I'm sure a lot of people want the answer to

1411
01:54:41,820 --> 01:54:45,260
Who in puts these agendas together and why are they?

1412
01:54:45,980 --> 01:54:48,000
Tell two in the morning and

1413
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:49,960
ridiculous that

1414
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,380
what I'm baffled by

1415
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:59,080
the size of this agenda and how long it's 730 you know what I look like at two in the morning?

1416
01:55:00,220 --> 01:55:07,740
I mean, who puts, no, no, no, and I'm not staying here till 19 tabs are over.

1417
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:09,920
I'm sorry, but who puts these together?

1418
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:14,800
Why don't we have a say in the size, length, more meetings?

1419
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:16,320
I'm sort of confused.

1420
01:55:16,700 --> 01:55:18,780
I think more meetings is the answer, I mean.

1421
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,420
I've been asking for them and that never happened.

1422
01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:25,240
We've asked for that for meeting after meeting.

1423
01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:27,060
This is crazy tonight, you know?

1424
01:55:27,060 --> 01:55:32,170
So we separated land use issues, so we actually have a really large agenda on July 20th.

1425
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:34,240
That's going to start at 5.30 now.

1426
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:39,340
I mean, there's just a lot of business that goes on in a three week period, so, you know,

1427
01:55:39,420 --> 01:55:41,300
these are things that need to get in front of council.

1428
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:48,600
Yeah, I like to say because something about meetings and I've been, I went to aqueduct meetings

1429
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:55,520
for over eight years, very smooth, but we have to, we have to trust our staff when it comes to the consent.

1430
01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:25,300
and we're pulling everything and Mr. Weishmire comes up here and says it's the time, but people, if we don't, you guys all ask for public comment, we're letting you speak, but we have to trust our staff and a lot of this could be, it's normal stuff on Consent Agenda and if we trust our staff that is doing what they're supposed to be doing, a lot of this could be done on Consent Agenda, just like Monroe County or Marathon or the Florida Keys Aquaduct.

1431
01:56:25,300 --> 01:56:30,060
I've been to many board meetings and I'll tell you something.

1432
01:56:30,420 --> 01:56:33,560
I've even watched the South Florida Water Management meetings many times.

1433
01:56:33,860 --> 01:56:38,880
They cut you off after your two minutes or whatever it is or three minutes and I've

1434
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,260
been to many meetings, I'll go up to the same way.

1435
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:47,600
I mean, they got, you know, so we're trying to do the best we can and we've got the public,

1436
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:53,460
you know, screaming at us that we're not giving you guys long enough to speak, three minutes

1437
01:56:53,460 --> 01:57:00,060
And, you know, we have to start, you know, limiting, but just like tonight, I mean, I

1438
01:57:00,060 --> 01:57:02,440
wanted to move more stuff to the consent agenda.

1439
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:04,800
Well, wait a second, that's not what I asked.

1440
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:09,180
Okay, I know, no Chair and I understand you're saying about the tabs, how many they're

1441
01:57:09,180 --> 01:57:09,980
there are.

1442
01:57:10,020 --> 01:57:15,640
And it could be by the time it gets so late, Sharon, we might have to refer something to the

1443
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:16,160
next meeting.

1444
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:20,540
And, Vice Mayor, we do look at the agenda and the size of the agenda and if there's

1445
01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:26,000
things that can be moved, we do, we do talk about that and delay that. I mean there are

1446
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,680
things that get moved off of genders and push to later meetings because we respect

1447
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:34,860
your time and we understand how challenging it is. It is 11 o'clock at night to try to

1448
01:57:34,860 --> 01:57:37,000
still stay focused and do this and get this business done.

1449
01:57:37,020 --> 01:57:42,920
It just feels like a lot of stuff is rammed down our throats and at midnight I don't make

1450
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:47,140
a very good decision and I make decisions good at nine o'clock either but I'm just saying

1451
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:53,320
this is got a change. I'm not happy about this at all and right now it's

1452
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:57,580
I can even seize that far. It is a tough balance. I know there are other communities.

1453
01:57:57,620 --> 01:58:03,100
Why don't we have more meetings? I keep asking. We talk about it and we don't do it.

1454
01:58:03,340 --> 01:58:08,700
I'm willing to do it. We can we can do more meetings. I mean, I, you know, this is something

1455
01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:14,300
that we, we can look at and do more meetings. I mean, it's just a matter of council

1456
01:58:14,300 --> 01:58:21,040
being willing to do more meetings and I mean, we've scheduled, it's challenging to schedule meetings

1457
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:26,660
with Council. We've worked hard. We've juggled this summer. We've put two meetings that

1458
01:58:26,660 --> 01:58:31,400
were two weeks apart and then we had a long gap before this one which is what yielded this

1459
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:37,880
to be a longer meeting because we had two shorter meetings earlier in June and then we had a

1460
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:42,260
longer period of time. So I'm happy to work at scheduling more meetings.

1461
01:58:43,620 --> 01:58:46,720
It's just a matter of trying to get business done and in front of you guys.

1462
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:51,540
What I don't understand is we have time to go over this agenda.

1463
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:55,420
Every one of us go over it. And if we have questions before the meeting tonight,

1464
01:58:55,860 --> 01:59:00,240
we can ask Ted. And if Ted want, if we have to go to the staff member that prepared that,

1465
01:59:00,340 --> 01:59:05,640
we can do that. But is it just because Henry that you wanted to pull these out?

1466
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:09,140
because the public comment is that what we can let public comment happen.

1467
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:15,480
But that's why I think certain things like, you know, this hurricane stuff,

1468
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:18,460
you know, it's not, it's going to go up the CPI.

1469
01:59:18,660 --> 01:59:22,320
It's going to go up whatever the CPI is.

1470
01:59:22,620 --> 01:59:24,940
It's nothing's changed and here we are.

1471
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:27,440
We're in a middle of hurricane season already.

1472
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:35,360
But the more that we pick stuff apart, but you know, if we read this and we come in here prepared,

1473
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,800
I don't understand why we got to come in here and pick more stuff apart.

1474
01:59:39,860 --> 01:59:41,140
That's just my personal.

1475
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:42,980
Public has a right to know, sir.

1476
01:59:43,460 --> 01:59:45,860
Yeah, the pub, yes, sir, I understand that.

1477
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:49,780
The public gets our agenda the same time we get it.

1478
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:59,700
So I'm not saying that I'm for being transparent for the residents, but we also have this

1479
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,100
Much time before our meeting. So anyways, let's move on.

1480
02:00:03,780 --> 02:00:07,220
So how are we going to solve the problem? Because I think it's legitimate to say that.

1481
02:00:07,220 --> 02:00:12,400
Excuse me, weren't I? I just want one thing. My name is wishmire. And I do respect.

1482
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,640
Because I know you call me out every meeting. It's not how you pronounce it. It's wishmire.

1483
02:00:17,060 --> 02:00:19,700
Thank you very much. Thank you very much for the heads up.

1484
02:00:20,200 --> 02:00:28,200
So how can we resolve it? Because it isn't fair to this council or to the public for us to be here till midnight.

1485
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:32,920
we don't make a decisions at that point. We don't have it. So, what, what, how can we solve that?

1486
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:39,540
I'll just say that we, we currently have a sort of an unofficial schedule of one meeting

1487
02:00:39,540 --> 02:00:45,520
every three weeks. When I served 20 years ago, it was two meetings a month, and then sometimes

1488
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:51,220
four, if we were doubling as the LPA. Maybe we could try to go to two meetings a month,

1489
02:00:51,380 --> 02:00:56,820
to try to get more on those agendas. I mean, we're busy. We've got a lot of stuff going on,

1490
02:00:56,820 --> 02:01:06,180
And you really can't, we can't really accommodate, I mean, it is a priority to have public comment and transparency and get the notices out early.

1491
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:07,300
That's a requirement.

1492
02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:08,580
I mean, it's a high priority.

1493
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:11,760
But we also have to have the time to discuss this.

1494
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:15,620
And we also have to be able to survive until we get there.

1495
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:19,460
I mean, it's physically taxing on us to do this at the end of the day.

1496
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:23,860
So the answer is to create more time not to try to cut something out.

1497
02:01:23,860 --> 02:01:29,400
So if we add more time and you want we want to have this as a discussion item either now or the next meeting or whatever

1498
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:35,600
I would be happy to have another meeting every month. That would be great. I'm happy to lay out what a

1499
02:01:36,460 --> 02:01:42,360
You know second and fourth Thursday or first and third Thursday of each month would look like on a schedule so that you guys can

1500
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:43,800
can

1501
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,580
I mean have time to absorb it. I mean, you know

1502
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:52,320
If right now it's the time that you guys want to figure this out that's fine, but I can happy to lay that out

1503
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:56,280
So that you can at least have something in front of you as to what that would look like.

1504
02:01:56,420 --> 02:02:00,340
I mean, that was something in my experience that I've dealt with, we were second and

1505
02:02:00,340 --> 02:02:00,600
fourth.

1506
02:02:00,820 --> 02:02:05,840
So, I mean, at least the public knows going forward, this is how the meeting is going to

1507
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:06,240
go forward.

1508
02:02:06,380 --> 02:02:11,840
I think every three weeks is unusual because there's no real consistency on date or the

1509
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:13,220
week of the month or any of that kind of stuff.

1510
02:02:13,380 --> 02:02:15,240
It just rotates because you're going every three weeks.

1511
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:17,160
So I'm happy to put that together.

1512
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:19,540
Email it out and bring it to us on the meeting on the weekend.

1513
02:02:19,540 --> 02:02:26,660
Can I just ask if we could consider and just throw it out there two meetings back to back

1514
02:02:28,380 --> 02:02:32,500
because every three weeks means you have to be in town every three weeks and occasionally

1515
02:02:32,500 --> 02:02:36,640
people I know this group goes out of town so is that something that we would you would

1516
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:37,540
be willing to consider?

1517
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,940
I've already got my week planned around this meeting and could we do it on a Tuesday and

1518
02:02:41,940 --> 02:02:44,240
Thursday of the same week or a Wednesday and Thursday of the same week?

1519
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:46,120
Is that something you would be willing to come up with?

1520
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:49,660
but you have that we also have to ask the staff because they're the ones that

1521
02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:53,920
put this together and you know when we ask for things they scramble around to

1522
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:58,140
do the best that they can to get us the best information so if we can blend

1523
02:02:58,140 --> 02:03:03,060
that together it's it'll work it might make less work for the staff if the one

1524
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:07,580
like these 19 tabs are prepared ones and split over two meetings that are back

1525
02:03:07,580 --> 02:03:12,920
to back I mean I could stomach that I'm not I agree with her I really do I

1526
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:19,600
I mean, who pushed the final stamp on what we're looking at to see me, who's the guy that

1527
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:20,600
was the final stamp?

1528
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:28,480
So the final stamp, I guess, when we put these agendas together, okay, we've got all of

1529
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:32,380
our staff and all of our different departments that are feeding material into this.

1530
02:03:32,460 --> 02:03:34,640
We have a program that helps assist that.

1531
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:38,720
We're working with the clerk's office and at the end of it all, we're going to publish it.

1532
02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:40,580
We did publish it to you guys earlier.

1533
02:03:40,580 --> 02:03:47,720
Okay, so Council has a public has a portal for the board that we publish it, and that's something we put into place

1534
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:54,520
that we're able to publish the agenda as it's being built. And so that agenda changes on the portal

1535
02:03:54,520 --> 02:04:01,820
throughout the time that we're building it over a three-week period. So as you're coming up to that final week before we publish before the week before

1536
02:04:01,820 --> 02:04:07,080
you should have a good idea of what's on the agenda. I mean, we're happy to again

1537
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:12,620
look at different options for you guys, but there's a lot of work that goes into preparing

1538
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:15,520
everything that comes in front of you and they're all necessary.

1539
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:19,320
It's the same amount of work if you would do it one one one one one one one one

1540
02:04:19,320 --> 02:04:21,420
one small meeting or two sure meetings.

1541
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:22,560
I'm not arguing with the Henry.

1542
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:24,240
Same amount of work.

1543
02:04:24,500 --> 02:04:29,600
I mean, we'd say tonight, we'll put the tab, we're not going any further there.

1544
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:33,560
Yeah, and we'll need one Monday, we'll like to do the tonight.

1545
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,420
I don't know that we can meet the legal advertising requirements.

1546
02:04:37,460 --> 02:04:38,520
I understand all that.

1547
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:39,380
I'll be in facetious.

1548
02:04:39,660 --> 02:04:41,660
But that's something we can get it done tonight.

1549
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:44,200
Two meetings back to back.

1550
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:46,620
It could be done.

1551
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:48,420
Can we ask for that to be considered?

1552
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:50,180
We can talk about it.

1553
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,480
That or maybe two is day third day in the same week.

1554
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:53,080
That's not true.

1555
02:04:53,220 --> 02:04:54,540
We have a night to recover.

1556
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:55,700
That's fine.

1557
02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:56,580
All right.

1558
02:04:57,380 --> 02:05:00,900
But we need to, could we, could we figure it out before the next marathon?

1559
02:05:01,100 --> 02:05:01,280
Good.

1560
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:02,720
Okay.

1561
02:05:03,340 --> 02:05:04,940
So, how do we leading that?

1562
02:05:05,060 --> 02:05:06,440
Can you put together?

1563
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:15,520
I can't get us an email us some of these some options that we can do this to where all of us can agree that we're going to be in town and we can be here, please.

1564
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:17,260
I'm sorry.

1565
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:18,140
Just to be clear.

1566
02:05:18,380 --> 02:05:20,080
Is it two meetings a week?

1567
02:05:20,380 --> 02:05:21,140
The Tuesday Thursday?

1568
02:05:21,620 --> 02:05:23,460
Two different proposals for you.

1569
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:25,500
I'll put together two meetings a week.

1570
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:26,640
Every three weeks.

1571
02:05:26,860 --> 02:05:32,600
And I'll put together a second and fourth option for Thursdays.

1572
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:39,160
you guys can look at it and you know we can have another discussion about it and make a decision.

1573
02:05:39,580 --> 02:05:45,320
Okay. All right. Thank you, Ted. All right. So we're going to move on to Mayor and Council

1574
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:51,640
Communication. Mark, you want to start it off. But Sharon's listed first. I don't want to step

1575
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:59,260
in front of a lady. Well, you're there. It's about the committee thing right here. Okay, invite

1576
02:05:59,260 --> 02:06:02,240
Okay, initiate discussion on this item.

1577
02:06:02,460 --> 02:06:07,340
I just wanted to move the committees that had ten people to seven.

1578
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:09,020
That was it.

1579
02:06:09,140 --> 02:06:10,680
I think ten is sort of crazy.

1580
02:06:11,740 --> 02:06:15,700
And now that we have people who actually want to be on committee,

1581
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:19,740
who have applied a bunch of people who, I don't even know, which is great.

1582
02:06:20,900 --> 02:06:22,560
I think ten is a lot of people.

1583
02:06:22,660 --> 02:06:26,200
I think seven, that's, you know, there's a couple of committees that have ten.

1584
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:29,780
And I wanted to make it uniformed across the board at 7.

1585
02:06:31,300 --> 02:06:32,960
I don't know how anybody else feels.

1586
02:06:33,580 --> 02:06:35,160
So John is going to prepare legislation.

1587
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,400
We talked with that in our meeting a couple weeks ago,

1588
02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:42,200
and so John's working on legislation that would allow council to

1589
02:06:43,420 --> 02:06:45,300
appoint up to 7 people.

1590
02:06:45,580 --> 02:06:48,160
So if depending on the committee and depending on applicants,

1591
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:50,900
you could choose a lower number.

1592
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:53,960
Just from experience odds are really good numbers,

1593
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:56,740
because, you know, you're not gonna have a tight road

1594
02:06:56,740 --> 02:06:58,220
anywhere for recommendations.

1595
02:06:58,680 --> 02:06:59,840
So that's what it is being prepared.

1596
02:07:00,220 --> 02:07:02,300
Yeah, I have a resolution that I kind of

1597
02:07:02,300 --> 02:07:03,560
writing that I can bring.

1598
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:05,320
If everybody's okay with it,

1599
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:06,820
frankly, I can put it on consent agenda.

1600
02:07:08,060 --> 02:07:10,220
It would be like Ted said up to seven.

1601
02:07:10,900 --> 02:07:12,180
And the reason I did it by resolution

1602
02:07:12,180 --> 02:07:14,280
is some of your committees were created

1603
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:17,180
by resolution and it mentions the number in there.

1604
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:20,440
So this way, this resolution will supersede all others.

1605
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,300
The only ones that won't address will be the LPA

1606
02:07:23,300 --> 02:07:27,300
in the Historic Preservation Commission because those were created by ordinance in your land

1607
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:32,080
development regulations, but it will not impact what your concern is by Mayor Mahoney

1608
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:37,160
because the LPA has seven members in the Historic Preservation has five, so it's not going to

1609
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:38,680
exceed the seven on those.

1610
02:07:39,340 --> 02:07:44,860
And then can I just ask what's the time frame for this interview process, could you refresh

1611
02:07:44,860 --> 02:07:45,580
me on that?

1612
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:51,920
So that hasn't been decided by Council, I mean, we extended the deadline to June 30th.

1613
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:57,960
we now have a group of applicants that council needs to decide, I mean, I believe, and we discussed

1614
02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:02,940
it that there may not be interest in interviewing existing numbers because you guys already

1615
02:08:02,940 --> 02:08:09,120
know existing numbers, but that's really up to you in terms of who you interview for your

1616
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:11,400
selection process, how you interview them.

1617
02:08:11,580 --> 02:08:17,200
I know there was a discussion regarding individual interviews with committee members having

1618
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:24,040
kind of I don't want to quote speed dating type scenario set up. I'm happy to get that

1619
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:28,320
facilitated we will probably need a pretty full night to do that because there is a lot

1620
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:33,320
of applicants. I mean we'll look and I'll get the number for you guys to I guess

1621
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:37,960
absorb is it relates to who are the existing applicants and who are new new people that

1622
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:42,120
you need to talk to and then ultimately you'll need to decide and they'll be legislation

1623
02:08:42,120 --> 02:08:47,860
and for each of those committees that will officially point people to those committees.

1624
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:52,840
I think there's people on the list that I don't need to, I don't need to see Tony

1625
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:53,120
Hammond.

1626
02:08:53,340 --> 02:08:54,280
I say I'm right there.

1627
02:08:54,540 --> 02:08:56,320
You know, I mean, he's an existing member.

1628
02:08:56,600 --> 02:08:57,160
Yeah, no.

1629
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:57,520
Well, no.

1630
02:08:57,940 --> 02:09:00,440
But there are going to be existing members like the LPA.

1631
02:09:00,540 --> 02:09:03,440
There's 14 people on the list.

1632
02:09:03,980 --> 02:09:08,080
And so it shouldn't just be existing members.

1633
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:26,680
It should be maybe somebody new who's applied that we all know why bring them in and if we all know them if we got the list and individually ranked on our own will we, you know, want to see don't want to see it may shorten it so it's not a full day in terms of interviews.

1634
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:37,940
Yeah, we could do that. I think if we get you the list of applicants, both returning and new because there may be some that are returning that I don't know some of council's never talked to.

1635
02:09:37,940 --> 02:09:41,180
So there may be opportunities to bring you guys

1636
02:09:41,180 --> 02:09:45,200
have different interview schedules based on your familiarity

1637
02:09:45,200 --> 02:09:46,140
with that applicant.

1638
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:50,100
OK, Carolyn, so.

1639
02:09:50,260 --> 02:09:54,620
I just have one thought on the size of the committee

1640
02:09:54,620 --> 02:09:57,620
is just be thoughtful about having a quorum,

1641
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:01,560
because as you skinned down the number of people

1642
02:10:01,560 --> 02:10:04,820
that are on a committee, that also skins down the number

1643
02:10:04,820 --> 02:10:06,680
of people in order to have a quorum,

1644
02:10:06,940 --> 02:10:09,040
so that you can actually have a full meeting.

1645
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,180
And that is a consideration, just something to consider.

1646
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:13,100
Thank you.

1647
02:10:13,140 --> 02:10:14,020
Thank you, Carolyn.

1648
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:16,400
OK, Mark.

1649
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:22,010
OK, I was hoping that Elizabeth would be here,

1650
02:10:22,270 --> 02:10:23,670
but I'll get started.

1651
02:10:24,670 --> 02:10:27,650
I asked to have this item come ahead and Henry,

1652
02:10:27,890 --> 02:10:30,190
you probably since that this is sort of a counterpart

1653
02:10:30,190 --> 02:10:34,090
to your tab seven that we're going to speak about later

1654
02:10:34,090 --> 02:10:36,130
in this evening regarding Ted's contract.

1655
02:10:36,450 --> 02:10:37,750
And I wanted to say to you personally,

1656
02:10:37,750 --> 02:10:41,430
I'm not trying to supersede or jump in front of or anything.

1657
02:10:41,490 --> 02:10:46,570
We can still have that conversation, but I did this for two reasons.

1658
02:10:46,630 --> 02:10:50,930
First, there's a lot of people in the room here that want to address that, and God only

1659
02:10:50,930 --> 02:10:52,470
knows when we're going to get to Tab7.

1660
02:10:52,570 --> 02:10:55,590
So I thought maybe we'd give them a chance to have some public comment up front.

1661
02:10:55,610 --> 02:10:57,030
I hope you wouldn't mind that.

1662
02:10:57,370 --> 02:11:04,370
But the other reason is because I'm very concerned that if we, no matter how we decide the

1663
02:11:05,250 --> 02:11:11,590
we're going to be divided on this council and our community is divided that has been a

1664
02:11:11,590 --> 02:11:18,190
problem in our community for years and years when I served 23 years ago and we really can't

1665
02:11:18,190 --> 02:11:23,770
go forward and do what we're supposed to do for the people that live here if we're going to be

1666
02:11:23,770 --> 02:11:31,590
divided we will be ineffective we will be inefficient it's just we just won't be able to get anything

1667
02:11:31,590 --> 02:11:37,590
done and it's just not a fun place to be. I'm not here for fun but I want to be able to work

1668
02:11:37,590 --> 02:11:42,910
with people that I respect and enjoy and I don't want something like this to come between us

1669
02:11:42,910 --> 02:11:48,850
and cause permanent damage because I think it will if we go the wrong direction. The way that

1670
02:11:48,850 --> 02:11:54,590
it's phrased is I understand it in the proposed resolution in Tab 7 it's kind of an all or nothing

1671
02:11:54,590 --> 02:12:01,170
thing. Black or white, you know, yes or no. And so I started to look at that and I was

1672
02:12:01,170 --> 02:12:06,050
uncomfortable with that, not only for myself, of course, but for you too, because I don't

1673
02:12:06,050 --> 02:12:11,170
know the range of feelings and ideas and thoughts that you might have on this topic. And I

1674
02:12:11,170 --> 02:12:16,130
thought that there might be another way. And I think we're obligated to look for a better way.

1675
02:12:16,490 --> 02:12:21,990
So I spoke with our Village Attorney John's partner, Allison Smith, who you might know specializes

1676
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:26,310
and labor law. And I had some questions about some of the documents that were there. And that's

1677
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:32,110
kind of how this got started. And I was asking her, you know, other councils, other, you know,

1678
02:12:32,230 --> 02:12:36,870
city governments, I'm sure they've had this division issue come up before. And I'm sure there's been

1679
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:43,550
some other issues regarding village managers and city managers and other key employees. And how,

1680
02:12:43,590 --> 02:12:51,070
how do they handle that? And I said, this could be a super divisive and damaging thing for us if

1681
02:12:51,070 --> 02:12:57,610
don't do it right. And so she suggested to me something I thought was very interesting. I'm going

1682
02:12:57,610 --> 02:13:03,450
to have her, I hope she's listening and she's with us via Zoom and she's agreed to come

1683
02:13:03,450 --> 02:13:09,570
and speak about it. But, you know, this is about Ted and this is about whatever Ted has done

1684
02:13:09,570 --> 02:13:16,750
up until this point since we hired him. And it's also about going forward. And so if there's some

1685
02:13:16,750 --> 02:13:22,890
It's certain about past performance, and it's fixable she has a way to do that.

1686
02:13:23,190 --> 02:13:29,010
She's suggested what she called PIP, a personal improvement program, and this is something

1687
02:13:29,010 --> 02:13:36,230
that government agencies do, corporations do, and if you have an executive or somebody else

1688
02:13:36,230 --> 02:13:39,870
or whoever it can be, be anybody, and there's an issue there.

1689
02:13:40,670 --> 02:13:44,450
The remedy is not to bring out the guillotine.

1690
02:13:44,450 --> 02:13:51,850
The remedy is to pull aside, to analyze the problem, to set semetrics so that the person

1691
02:13:51,850 --> 02:13:55,910
can measure up to that and give some time for correction with instruction.

1692
02:13:56,610 --> 02:13:59,630
And so she'll speak to that a little bit more.

1693
02:13:59,890 --> 02:14:02,050
So that's what I want us to talk about.

1694
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:08,550
I put this on here, and I made a specific reference that it was to be to consider a renewal of

1695
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:15,310
that's contract, and I think of that as a positive statement, and no disparity to you, but Henry

1696
02:14:15,310 --> 02:14:16,930
but Tab7 is more negative.

1697
02:14:17,570 --> 02:14:19,990
I really don't want to go down the negative path.

1698
02:14:20,270 --> 02:14:24,010
If this fails, then I know we have to go there, and that's fine.

1699
02:14:25,210 --> 02:14:26,770
But I'm very fond of Ted.

1700
02:14:26,990 --> 02:14:28,130
I think he's done a good job.

1701
02:14:28,330 --> 02:14:33,990
I know that there might not be unanimous agreement about that, but I think you will all agree

1702
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:41,750
that if we don't get along and we don't work together, we're depriving ourselves of the opportunity

1703
02:14:41,750 --> 02:14:47,670
to, we have an obligation to the public to do that. We're not here to fight and I think this

1704
02:14:47,670 --> 02:14:53,710
is going to be a long-term problem if it doesn't come out right. I'm trying to give it an opportunity

1705
02:14:53,710 --> 02:14:59,330
to happen. So I'm going to ask Allison if she's there, she could give a little bit more information

1706
02:14:59,330 --> 02:14:59,970
about her.

1707
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,860
Thoughts about how we can address what I think is the issue. And then afterwards, I would like us to have public comment. And then we can figure out where we go from there. If that's okay with the council.

1708
02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:14,700
All right. Thank you. Allison, if you're around, are you there?

1709
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:21,940
She is. I just texted her because once you mentioned her name, I wanted to make sure she was there.

1710
02:15:21,940 --> 02:15:23,260
So, Marty, if you can,

1711
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:29,860
she might be on, I don't know, she has a cell phone, she's a 95-4 number.

1712
02:15:30,220 --> 02:15:30,960
She all

1713
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:43,360
up with her.

1714
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:57,940
Do we want to move ahead with public comment while we wait for her?

1715
02:15:58,420 --> 02:16:00,420
Line with me, if that's what you want to do.

1716
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:05,400
Just give it another 30 seconds.

1717
02:16:05,620 --> 02:16:06,540
She might be waiting for you.

1718
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:10,160
Wait a minute, 30 seconds and see.

1719
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:18,780
So, she's on the computer, let me find out.

1720
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:21,100
I should have might be under the name Jessica Smith.

1721
02:16:21,100 --> 02:16:26,780
Well, while we're waiting, I did want to make one more comment or one more report to the council.

1722
02:16:28,220 --> 02:16:35,100
So, you know, I told you I was partial to Ted and I liked Ted, but I felt an obligation to verify

1723
02:16:35,100 --> 02:16:43,020
how Ted was doing, not so much from how you guys think, because I kind of know that, but I wanted

1724
02:16:43,020 --> 02:16:47,900
to ask the people that work for him. I thought that that would be a really good indicator about

1725
02:16:47,900 --> 02:16:50,440
what kind of a manager Ted really was.

1726
02:16:51,900 --> 02:16:54,940
And so at the conclusion of the staff meeting yesterday,

1727
02:16:55,620 --> 02:16:57,080
I was allowed to come in.

1728
02:16:57,220 --> 02:16:58,840
All of the department heads were there

1729
02:16:58,840 --> 02:17:02,020
and some other upper-level staff members were there,

1730
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:04,360
and I told them what was on the agenda,

1731
02:17:04,840 --> 02:17:07,820
and I asked them if they would like to offer a comment

1732
02:17:07,820 --> 02:17:12,620
about their thoughts about Ted's performance as a manager.

1733
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:17,160
And I'm happy to report to you that it was universal

1734
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:23,780
And each and every one of them gave, I'll just be brief and say, glowing remarks.

1735
02:17:24,900 --> 02:17:31,140
They spoke of consistency, and they spoke of leadership, they spoke of concern, a concern

1736
02:17:31,140 --> 02:17:31,740
for them.

1737
02:17:32,020 --> 02:17:33,840
He knows everybody by name.

1738
02:17:34,140 --> 02:17:39,840
I also asked them if within their departments, do you think, if did they think, would there

1739
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:42,200
be anybody there that would have a different opinion?

1740
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:43,440
And they said, no.

1741
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:49,440
So, as we go forward, if we're going to make a decision that is a drastic one, I think

1742
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:51,040
it's important that you all know that.

1743
02:17:51,100 --> 02:17:52,100
Some of them are here tonight.

1744
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:53,100
They may want to speak.

1745
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:53,840
They may not.

1746
02:17:53,940 --> 02:17:54,780
That's their choice.

1747
02:17:56,120 --> 02:18:03,680
But to me, the folks that work for you are the ones who know you best and they can tell

1748
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:07,740
you from the inside about what Ted's like as a manager.

1749
02:18:08,260 --> 02:18:11,080
As was at the same meeting, he was not.

1750
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:15,720
He left the meeting so that I could not want him in the room when that happened.

1751
02:18:16,780 --> 02:18:21,720
And I also told them that they would be, their comments would be held in confidence.

1752
02:18:21,980 --> 02:18:23,340
So I'm not going to give out any names.

1753
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:26,460
Mark, can you give me one minute to say something?

1754
02:18:28,710 --> 02:18:34,570
I know I think there's something coming up in our agenda on the budget item, correct.

1755
02:18:34,570 --> 02:18:42,670
But help me, why we're waiting for this and if not we can move on to public comment, but Ted, when you came here last year

1756
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:54,250
you moved some money around that was not making any money correct and so it's been not quite a year yet.

1757
02:18:54,630 --> 02:19:03,370
Can you tell us, because I know you told us when you did this, when you moved it, how much interest has that made since you've been here?

1758
02:19:04,130 --> 02:19:13,570
Well, I believe you're referring to, so I was part of, so Minusal investments as a practice

1759
02:19:13,570 --> 02:19:15,030
that is heavily regulated.

1760
02:19:15,930 --> 02:19:20,510
And when I got here, we have checking accounts that had upwards of 37, 30, $38 million

1761
02:19:20,510 --> 02:19:26,470
sitting in it, so I research interviewed several companies selected an organization called

1762
02:19:26,470 --> 02:19:31,770
Ford a class that deals with agencies and municipalities and counties in terms of investment

1763
02:19:31,770 --> 02:19:38,130
funds is very proper timing because we weren't earning anything and interest rates are

1764
02:19:38,130 --> 02:19:44,010
starting to go up but I got authority from council to move up to $10 million which we moved

1765
02:19:44,010 --> 02:19:50,150
in a short amount of time and we're probably approaching I mean this is less than a year upwards

1766
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:55,670
of $300,000 and interest income so the budget amendment you'll see tonight a lot of the

1767
02:19:55,670 --> 02:20:00,470
changes and the additions of revenue are because we've divided that interest income through

1768
02:20:00,470 --> 02:20:06,550
of our different funds. So there's some smaller amounts that relate to increases in revenue,

1769
02:20:07,490 --> 02:20:11,810
and it's been distributed in that, and I can talk about that and get to that agenda.

1770
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:18,470
But I just wanted those of us, because I remember when you did come to Council and ask us about that,

1771
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:24,590
and I happen to ask that about that today because of the budget thing. So are we ready, John?

1772
02:20:24,750 --> 02:20:28,410
Yeah, Allison called in on herself. I don't know what the issue is, but she's available now.

1773
02:20:28,410 --> 02:20:44,290
Hi, Allison. This is Mark Greg. I had given a little presentation here to the council and to the public and I introduced them to the concept of the PIP that you and I spoke about last week, earlier in this week.

1774
02:20:44,730 --> 02:20:55,410
And so I was hopeful that you could provide a little guidance and some background about that program and to help us perhaps find an option here other than,

1775
02:20:55,410 --> 02:20:59,690
and all or nothing option about how we can move forward and keep

1776
02:20:59,690 --> 02:21:05,310
Ted and work with Ted and but to preserve the the counsel's right to make a change

1777
02:21:05,310 --> 02:21:09,870
if that's what they want to do later on. So if you're there if you could let us

1778
02:21:09,870 --> 02:21:15,290
yes let us yes go. Okay thank you. Yeah yes I apologize I'm not sure of

1779
02:21:15,290 --> 02:21:18,990
quick technology failed at the moment when I needed so I apologize I'm not I'm

1780
02:21:18,990 --> 02:21:22,890
to do my literally been watching the meeting from the beginning and of course as

1781
02:21:22,890 --> 02:21:25,330
as it was my turn into when it was on the fruit.

1782
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:29,670
So, but I am here by phone and I did his introduction.

1783
02:21:30,970 --> 02:21:34,630
Yes, so the PIT is a performance improvement plan.

1784
02:21:35,730 --> 02:21:42,750
I've drafted many PIT for various clients throughout the state for various reasons.

1785
02:21:43,170 --> 02:21:50,210
And typically you want to use it to give somebody that you may be hindering separating from your

1786
02:21:50,210 --> 02:21:54,810
service, and as you correctly mentioned before, private sector or public sector.

1787
02:21:55,410 --> 02:21:59,530
When you are thinking you may want to separate that person, but there is a potential for

1788
02:21:59,530 --> 02:22:01,230
rehabilitation of that person.

1789
02:22:01,950 --> 02:22:09,930
It also helps to minimize liability so that that person is told to very direct and clear

1790
02:22:09,930 --> 02:22:14,450
terms what the issues with their performance, it also can be used to address behavior, so

1791
02:22:14,450 --> 02:22:19,490
what the issues are with their performance, or their behavior, what are the things in a very

1792
02:22:20,290 --> 02:22:22,890
incredible way that they need to change.

1793
02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:25,830
You can't possibly write something that says,

1794
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:27,710
you need to take more account that they're not very,

1795
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:28,810
just like I did.

1796
02:22:29,150 --> 02:22:29,790
You can travel well.

1797
02:22:29,790 --> 02:22:30,910
That's what we're having in the measure.

1798
02:22:31,170 --> 02:22:32,610
Do you just want to call an house in 2017?

1799
02:22:32,930 --> 02:22:34,970
Can you maybe speak a little bit slower?

1800
02:22:35,290 --> 02:22:37,530
I don't think we're having trouble hearing you.

1801
02:22:37,770 --> 02:22:38,670
Every time I split.

1802
02:22:41,130 --> 02:22:44,690
Or I'm sure I can slow down and please interject

1803
02:22:44,690 --> 02:22:46,870
if you can't hear me again at any point.

1804
02:22:48,030 --> 02:22:48,730
Thank you, Allison.

1805
02:22:48,730 --> 02:22:51,870
And I think I don't hate everybody here.

1806
02:22:52,510 --> 02:22:57,870
I think we're just, if you could just slow down your speech, I think that might help us.

1807
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:59,770
Okay.

1808
02:23:00,150 --> 02:23:01,010
I will slow down.

1809
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:07,150
So I'll start over with the performance improvement plan.

1810
02:23:07,870 --> 02:23:10,310
And it's also delayed on my end as well.

1811
02:23:10,810 --> 02:23:11,770
So of course, technology.

1812
02:23:14,130 --> 02:23:17,330
So as I mentioned, everything's something.

1813
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:27,060
So, as I was saying, the performance improvement plan is used when you want to try to

1814
02:23:27,060 --> 02:23:31,860
rehabilitate an employee, and it can be very effective as well.

1815
02:23:33,060 --> 02:23:38,660
So, essentially, what you're doing is you're telling the employee in very tangible, meaningful

1816
02:23:38,660 --> 02:23:49,900
terms that there are areas of improvement, whether it's performance related or whether it's

1817
02:23:49,900 --> 02:23:56,180
that these are the specific issues that we want you to work on and it also gives them

1818
02:23:56,180 --> 02:24:02,800
relevant option plan so we want you to amend your modified certain behavior and here are some

1819
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:10,320
tools that we can offer you to amend or modify that behavior or performance and it's generally

1820
02:24:10,320 --> 02:24:17,200
given for no less than 30 days and no more than 90 days. You want to have a good period of time

1821
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:20,280
within which you can really assess the behavior,

1822
02:24:20,540 --> 02:24:22,160
but it's very, it's not vague.

1823
02:24:22,540 --> 02:24:25,180
So you can't say something in the PIP,

1824
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:27,880
like you need to be more accountable.

1825
02:24:28,860 --> 02:24:32,760
You have to be very specific because you would have to say,

1826
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:34,940
we would like a report that you,

1827
02:24:35,020 --> 02:24:37,440
so let's say the accountability issue

1828
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:40,500
where that you felt that the manager wasn't providing

1829
02:24:40,500 --> 02:24:44,520
sufficient detail regarding many things

1830
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:50,440
that the manager is having with committees to you as the elected body, you would say,

1831
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:58,380
we would like a report to be generated every Friday or every Monday or one week regarding

1832
02:24:58,380 --> 02:25:04,580
any meetings that you have with committees regarding village business, you know, it would be very,

1833
02:25:04,580 --> 02:25:12,720
very, very specific. So you put on all of those, put on all of that data and then that measured,

1834
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:19,140
you can measure that, you can see that you do it, do it, do it, and that also allows the

1835
02:25:19,140 --> 02:25:23,900
manager to see if people are falling up to par, if you're not performing up to par, and

1836
02:25:23,900 --> 02:25:30,180
essentially at the end of the PIP, nobody's going to be surprised because you either met the

1837
02:25:30,180 --> 02:25:36,680
metrics or you didn't make the metrics. So that's something that a lot of employers will

1838
02:25:37,220 --> 02:25:39,380
and sort of going straight to a separation,

1839
02:25:40,420 --> 02:25:44,240
if there is a thought that this person can be re-hubbed

1840
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:48,640
a lot of times they will use a performance improvement plan,

1841
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:51,720
and that will help that will be helpful in terms of seeing

1842
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:53,880
if this person has a future in your institution,

1843
02:25:54,380 --> 02:25:56,060
or they don't have a future in your institution.

1844
02:25:57,060 --> 02:25:58,920
So that's the long and short of PIPs.

1845
02:25:58,920 --> 02:26:00,960
And I do a two-hour training on PIPs.

1846
02:26:00,980 --> 02:26:02,280
I really tried it from key,

1847
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:06,800
But that's a bit of a better bus meeting, but that's essentially it.

1848
02:26:07,260 --> 02:26:09,040
So Allison, this is Mark Greg again.

1849
02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:15,040
I can't recall if you said that you might be the individual that if we chose to do this,

1850
02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:21,540
that you would be able to handle that for us, or would we hire a special consultant to do that.

1851
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:31,200
I know we had discussed the idea of bringing in a consultant or a facilitator for us as the council to have a retreat.

1852
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:36,780
so we could discuss things more and kind of get to know each other a little bit better and

1853
02:26:36,780 --> 02:26:42,020
a friendly or context let's say then a council meeting and I did participate in one of

1854
02:26:42,020 --> 02:26:49,380
those 20 years ago and I found it to be effective but if we chose to do this what would

1855
02:26:49,380 --> 02:26:52,320
be the steps or the procedure for us to go forward?

1856
02:26:53,680 --> 02:27:10,020
Okay, so if you choose to do the PIP, I can certainly drop the PIP before you, it would require me to, of course, meet with the different elected officials who want to have input since you report to the reports to you all.

1857
02:27:10,680 --> 02:27:19,000
So I would have to meet with you and get your deliverables, the things that you want to work on. If you have something, you may say, I think you're wonderful.

1858
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:26,980
or you may, you know, this is a great opportunity to give some input to add to that, but I

1859
02:27:26,980 --> 02:27:34,140
certainly contrast it and put that in writing and you know, solidify that and also monitor

1860
02:27:34,140 --> 02:27:36,960
the PIP as well.

1861
02:27:37,900 --> 02:27:41,840
All right, thank you. I don't have any questions on that. I don't know if any of the other

1862
02:27:41,840 --> 02:27:44,440
the council members would like to ask a question.

1863
02:27:46,830 --> 02:27:47,150
Elizabeth.

1864
02:27:49,070 --> 02:27:49,250
Henry?

1865
02:27:50,170 --> 02:27:50,590
No.

1866
02:27:51,050 --> 02:27:51,170
Okay.

1867
02:27:52,130 --> 02:27:52,210
All right.

1868
02:27:52,490 --> 02:27:53,150
Thank you, Allison.

1869
02:27:53,430 --> 02:27:53,990
Thank you, Allison.

1870
02:27:55,310 --> 02:27:55,530
All right.

1871
02:27:55,950 --> 02:27:56,930
Thank you very much.

1872
02:27:57,170 --> 02:28:00,610
I am going to try to sign back on when the other item comes up.

1873
02:28:00,790 --> 02:28:01,850
I'll try to be by video.

1874
02:28:05,150 --> 02:28:05,330
Yeah.

1875
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:06,090
Okay.

1876
02:28:06,270 --> 02:28:06,450
Yeah.

1877
02:28:06,610 --> 02:28:08,090
There is going to be public comment.

1878
02:28:08,110 --> 02:28:09,290
Just we're getting there.

1879
02:28:09,370 --> 02:28:10,550
Just hold tight.

1880
02:28:10,970 --> 02:28:11,250
Okay.

1881
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:12,370
Okay.

1882
02:28:12,810 --> 02:28:13,110
No worries.

1883
02:28:13,110 --> 02:28:14,910
Okay, think you're talking to her.

1884
02:28:15,070 --> 02:28:16,850
Oh, no, Allison, I wasn't talking to you.

1885
02:28:16,970 --> 02:28:18,410
I was talking to somebody in the audience.

1886
02:28:18,530 --> 02:28:19,010
Sorry.

1887
02:28:19,370 --> 02:28:20,110
All right.

1888
02:28:20,830 --> 02:28:21,050
All right.

1889
02:28:21,210 --> 02:28:22,410
Thank you very much.

1890
02:28:26,290 --> 02:28:28,210
We'll open public comment now.

1891
02:28:29,450 --> 02:28:30,350
I want to say something.

1892
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:31,790
Go ahead then.

1893
02:28:34,610 --> 02:28:37,830
And I was told to think what I say before open my mouth.

1894
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:39,150
So I'm going to.

1895
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:46,190
I don't didn't like the fact that we all met with Ted separately.

1896
02:28:46,190 --> 02:28:49,990
because you never know what is said behind closed doors.

1897
02:28:50,490 --> 02:28:54,390
So I'm going to take this opportunity to say something to you and to you.

1898
02:28:54,830 --> 02:28:57,350
This has been a cakewalk for you guys.

1899
02:28:57,890 --> 02:28:59,450
It hasn't been a cakewalk for me,

1900
02:29:00,190 --> 02:29:01,090
Henry or Elizabeth.

1901
02:29:01,790 --> 02:29:03,530
We have been treated differently

1902
02:29:04,330 --> 02:29:06,230
and that bothers me.

1903
02:29:06,510 --> 02:29:08,270
And you know I told you that

1904
02:29:08,990 --> 02:29:10,670
that I don't know why

1905
02:29:11,330 --> 02:29:14,110
we have been you guys get thrown calls

1906
02:29:14,110 --> 02:29:20,830
in the loop, we're not. And that bothers me, big time. And before everybody gets up here and says,

1907
02:29:21,570 --> 02:29:29,930
he's great, he's wonderfully horrible, firearm. I think that the truth needs to be told that

1908
02:29:29,930 --> 02:29:35,870
we have been treated differently. We beg for an orientation, never got it. I don't even know the staff.

1909
02:29:36,110 --> 02:29:41,330
You're talking about the staff says he's great. I don't even know all the staff. We didn't get the

1910
02:29:41,330 --> 02:29:48,410
opportunity to be treated like you two got treated and you know that's a problem for me and you have to be honest wait wait

1911
02:29:48,410 --> 02:29:57,470
You have to be honest said you have even said to me. He treats you horribly. I mean, I told Ted that that that he he needs to work with you

1912
02:29:57,470 --> 02:29:59,970
I did tell Ted that you know Ted move had that come

1913
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,220
Recession. Work with me, isn't the right word. Change the behavior.

1914
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:11,260
The chair and I will tell you that some people are more proactive than others. I have to be a very proactive

1915
02:30:11,260 --> 02:30:18,720
proactive than what? And proactive meeting take the bull by the horn. I'm going to make phone calls. I'm going to do

1916
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:24,160
I'm I'm a way to then we need take the bull by the horn. You don't think you don't want to jump into the

1917
02:30:24,660 --> 02:30:29,300
because I watched the way Ted treated Henry, and it was wrong.

1918
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:30,820
I did not help you with the film.

1919
02:30:30,820 --> 02:30:33,500
I didn't say you didn't.

1920
02:30:33,500 --> 02:30:33,760
Okay.

1921
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:35,060
No, we're going to have the conversation.

1922
02:30:35,100 --> 02:30:35,840
I know we are.

1923
02:30:35,940 --> 02:30:37,040
I'm not worried about it.

1924
02:30:37,060 --> 02:30:41,260
Did I not tell you how we did it, how the bridge was done, and how we did it?

1925
02:30:41,380 --> 02:30:43,620
I've heard about the bridge 50 million times.

1926
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:45,160
This doesn't have to do with the bridge.

1927
02:30:45,480 --> 02:30:46,940
It has to do.

1928
02:30:47,420 --> 02:30:51,060
It has been easy for you guys because he communicates with the two of you.

1929
02:30:51,060 --> 02:30:54,700
when you did, when you did, I helped you.

1930
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,000
You helped me, because you helped me,

1931
02:30:57,460 --> 02:30:58,820
because he didn't listen to me.

1932
02:30:59,040 --> 02:30:59,940
Come on, man.

1933
02:31:00,220 --> 02:31:00,780
Tell the truth.

1934
02:31:01,580 --> 02:31:03,700
I'd to listen with you think you've been treated the same.

1935
02:31:08,830 --> 02:31:14,490
I have some deep concerns about my position on this council

1936
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:17,750
and in partial or impartial treatment.

1937
02:31:18,130 --> 02:31:18,970
Yes, and we've discussed that.

1938
02:31:18,970 --> 02:31:20,970
That was something we discussed in the review,

1939
02:31:21,330 --> 02:31:22,370
which I did submit.

1940
02:31:23,770 --> 02:31:26,450
say so we might as well bring it out

1941
02:31:26,450 --> 02:31:32,810
then that Henry I was told I'm going to go ahead and say this right now I was told that you told him

1942
02:31:32,810 --> 02:31:36,990
that if he got rid of the and you were going to fire him

1943
02:31:36,990 --> 02:31:38,650
was that right to

1944
02:31:39,210 --> 02:31:44,730
can we keep this on this here say is not necessary in this public form I don't think that this is a firm

1945
02:31:44,730 --> 02:31:50,490
We can we can say that for later. I'll let me let me get her say something if I'm going to be drug

1946
02:31:50,490 --> 02:31:54,340
I'm gonna speak about it because all I've done is try to help

1947
02:31:55,090 --> 02:32:00,630
Look we're getting to that we're getting to a solution sharing is told us and you know

1948
02:32:00,630 --> 02:32:04,350
It's like, hey excuse me. Hey, please quiet

1949
02:32:04,350 --> 02:32:09,870
Okay, thank you, but this is like family therapy if we don't talk about our problems

1950
02:32:09,870 --> 02:32:14,570
we're never going to fix them. I just heard something very meaningful. I mean, I did

1951
02:32:14,570 --> 02:32:21,150
know that. I mean, you know, you and I, maybe we're the golden boys because we had a relationship

1952
02:32:21,150 --> 02:32:26,070
with Ted that started over a year ago. We hired him. We went through the brain damage of the

1953
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:31,110
manager selection process and we worked with Ted and you and I took Ted out on the boat before

1954
02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:37,050
he was hard. We did a certain navigation of the village. We bonded with Ted and maybe that's why

1955
02:32:37,050 --> 02:32:42,830
we got, why there is the perception that it could be subliminal, it could be real, I don't

1956
02:32:42,830 --> 02:32:43,250
know.

1957
02:32:43,390 --> 02:32:44,190
Let me see this.

1958
02:32:44,490 --> 02:32:49,250
If I contributed to that, to your bad feelings or yours or yours, I apologize from

1959
02:32:49,250 --> 02:32:50,330
the bottom of my heart.

1960
02:32:50,590 --> 02:32:52,270
That was never our intent.

1961
02:32:52,450 --> 02:32:58,630
We were never trying to alienate you or you're going to get one because if I did something wrong,

1962
02:32:58,810 --> 02:32:59,390
I need to do that.

1963
02:32:59,550 --> 02:33:06,770
You, it is that these people, I ran because I wanted to make a difference and everything I

1964
02:33:06,770 --> 02:33:14,150
tried to do, you know you sort of fought me on and it makes zero sense to me and I know

1965
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:20,170
I don't want to be in this position, I hate this, I hate the fact that this council now is getting

1966
02:33:20,170 --> 02:33:25,470
aligned on it, all day all I've heard is Sharon, you're the swing vote, Sharon you're the swing vote,

1967
02:33:25,710 --> 02:33:32,710
Sharon do this, Sharon do that, I'm sick of this, I want you to have the chance to treat us

1968
02:33:32,710 --> 02:33:39,810
like you treat everybody else. And I'm a firm believer that if I'm calling you out which

1969
02:33:39,810 --> 02:33:44,710
is what I'm doing, you should have the chance and I do believe everybody should have a chance

1970
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:51,450
to change. And if you can't see how you've treated me wrong and her wrong and him wrong,

1971
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:58,610
then there is a problem. But I believe that maybe if I brought this out and I'm not picking on you,

1972
02:33:58,610 --> 02:34:04,490
I'm not picking on you, I'm trying to make this work so that we don't have a town where

1973
02:34:04,490 --> 02:34:10,530
everybody do this, do that, do this, do that, and it's crazy, when there's so many other problems

1974
02:34:10,530 --> 02:34:16,730
we can be solving, we can be addressing instead, we're bickering over maybe in the swing vote,

1975
02:34:17,150 --> 02:34:24,150
and I'm sick of it. So I wanted to bring that out and at least with what she said,

1976
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:35,950
Maybe if I told you how I feel and you don't change the way you treat people, us all of us equally, then yes, I do have a great big problem.

1977
02:34:37,210 --> 02:34:39,850
So, there you go for honesty, transparency.

1978
02:34:40,890 --> 02:34:41,310
That works.

1979
02:34:42,470 --> 02:34:50,670
And I would just say what I'm looking for is to approach this from a rational professional standpoint rather than from emotion.

1980
02:34:50,670 --> 02:34:56,870
And although I enjoyed your, I don't know what we would call that, statement, but it needed

1981
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:57,710
to come out.

1982
02:34:57,850 --> 02:34:58,470
It really did.

1983
02:34:58,690 --> 02:35:00,610
And we haven't had a chance to do that.

1984
02:35:01,090 --> 02:35:06,030
So it's weird to do it in a meeting like this, but if that's what it takes to make things

1985
02:35:06,030 --> 02:35:12,190
right, so that we can work together, you know, we're, we're a diverse council, and I was really

1986
02:35:12,190 --> 02:35:14,610
happy that we have two women elected to the council.

1987
02:35:15,430 --> 02:35:20,170
And that diversity can be a problem, but if we harness it and put it in the right way,

1988
02:35:20,170 --> 02:35:21,350
That's our superpower.

1989
02:35:22,110 --> 02:35:29,010
We can do so much with the broad background that we have our perspectives and our ideas about things.

1990
02:35:29,070 --> 02:35:32,830
If we all think alike, we're going to all wind up in the same spot, and that doesn't work well.

1991
02:35:33,970 --> 02:35:47,250
If we don't handle this correctly, it can be devastating to every person in the village, to the staff, and it's going to set us back for years, I think.

1992
02:35:48,650 --> 02:35:55,210
If Ted doesn't stay for whatever reason, who's going to take his place, I hope you thought

1993
02:35:55,210 --> 02:35:56,150
that through.

1994
02:35:56,490 --> 02:35:59,390
I mean, who's going to want to work here is what I'm asking.

1995
02:35:59,970 --> 02:36:04,650
I think he'd be crazy to take a job after looking at our track record and they're going

1996
02:36:04,650 --> 02:36:05,190
to see meetings.

1997
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:08,070
They're going to see this meeting when they come to look at that.

1998
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:10,370
So bear that in mind as we go forward.

1999
02:36:10,750 --> 02:36:13,650
I'm just saying give Ted a fair chance.

2000
02:36:13,850 --> 02:36:15,230
He hasn't even been here a year.

2001
02:36:15,230 --> 02:36:25,010
You know, if this was poker Ted's all in, he sold everything he had, he cashed out in his career and his family, his life, his home, everything, and he's down here, he's fully invested.

2002
02:36:25,370 --> 02:36:28,410
He is not perfect, and I'm not trying to make that argument.

2003
02:36:29,070 --> 02:36:42,550
But I don't think it's right to accept our relationship with him without a fair opportunity to provide constructive criticism, to provide standards for performance and to measure that over a period of time,

2004
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:46,950
call it probation if you want to and then we come back and if you're not happy then and you

2005
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:53,770
want to do that, I'll second your motion to do whatever you want. But I'm just asking for an

2006
02:36:53,770 --> 02:37:01,850
opportunity to Ted to be treated correctly at to make an adjustment. Ted, I said this to him

2007
02:37:01,850 --> 02:37:06,730
and you should also know this. Ted and I have had some discussions where we raised our voices

2008
02:37:06,730 --> 02:37:12,530
to each other. It wasn't the golden boy thing that you might think it was. We've had some

2009
02:37:12,530 --> 02:37:15,970
bumps in the road along the way, but Ted is a professional.

2010
02:37:16,090 --> 02:37:18,790
I think he's the first professional manager we've ever had.

2011
02:37:19,570 --> 02:37:22,030
And you put two lawyers in a room, you're going to get a fight.

2012
02:37:22,110 --> 02:37:22,890
That's how it works.

2013
02:37:23,290 --> 02:37:25,970
But when it's over, we move on to the next thing.

2014
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:28,430
And then we laugh about stuff later on.

2015
02:37:28,690 --> 02:37:29,790
That's how it has to be.

2016
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:31,550
You can't take this stuff personal.

2017
02:37:32,390 --> 02:37:34,450
So I do understand it is personal.

2018
02:37:34,970 --> 02:37:38,990
And now we understand a little bit more about what the problem is.

2019
02:37:39,610 --> 02:37:41,590
Ted's up against a firing squad right now.

2020
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:43,050
And I think you've got his attention.

2021
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:46,770
So my expectation is an adjustment will be made.

2022
02:37:47,630 --> 02:37:48,630
So I'd like to say something.

2023
02:37:48,950 --> 02:37:49,710
I'd like to say something.

2024
02:37:50,010 --> 02:37:53,110
I'd like because, to me, it's seven months.

2025
02:37:53,930 --> 02:37:58,090
Why did it take six months for me to finally be heard?

2026
02:37:58,450 --> 02:37:58,750
Seriously.

2027
02:37:59,670 --> 02:38:02,850
I'd like for you guys to chime in, say something.

2028
02:38:03,450 --> 02:38:05,510
So before, because this is a huge decision.

2029
02:38:14,140 --> 02:38:15,460
Turn your mic on, please, Henry.

2030
02:38:16,380 --> 02:38:18,140
I thought you were calling me a different name.

2031
02:38:18,140 --> 02:38:18,860
I

2032
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:34,840
create Tab 7 and you're absolutely put us together and I'm going to wait until Tab 7 before I make a comment.

2033
02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:36,400
Why?

2034
02:38:36,980 --> 02:38:38,520
Because we're going to do it over.

2035
02:38:39,980 --> 02:38:46,220
The point I'm making is Tab 7 is going to be difficult and we don't have to go there.

2036
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:49,140
We have a better option.

2037
02:38:49,160 --> 02:38:50,600
All right, I'll talk to you.

2038
02:38:50,780 --> 02:38:52,680
We owe that to the people that put us here.

2039
02:38:52,680 --> 02:38:55,900
First of all, I could care less salary treated me.

2040
02:38:56,120 --> 02:38:57,100
That doesn't bother me.

2041
02:38:57,740 --> 02:39:01,480
I've been a little older, most of you.

2042
02:39:03,140 --> 02:39:03,940
Good, really?

2043
02:39:03,940 --> 02:39:06,040
No, yes, just a little, right?

2044
02:39:09,010 --> 02:39:09,170
Wait,

2045
02:39:13,670 --> 02:39:15,810
I'm not learning train anybody

2046
02:39:15,810 --> 02:39:17,470
for a job that they prefer,

2047
02:39:17,470 --> 02:39:20,410
for children, they're fearful of coming in in the first place.

2048
02:39:24,650 --> 02:39:27,970
His actions were he came from,

2049
02:39:28,050 --> 02:39:32,250
speak volumes with the people.

2050
02:39:32,250 --> 02:39:39,110
that was all vetted by the process. I understand that I don't want to go negative.

2051
02:39:39,230 --> 02:39:41,190
I don't want to go negative. You don't want to go negative.

2052
02:39:42,350 --> 02:39:44,890
That's not what we're talking about.

2053
02:39:45,310 --> 02:39:49,050
If you don't want to go there, I'm silent. I'm sorry.

2054
02:39:49,370 --> 02:39:50,510
Oh, so you don't want to go there.

2055
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:58,840
I saw a couple of occasions to be included in a meeting.

2056
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:03,580
Something I've been working on for a long, long time.

2057
02:40:03,580 --> 02:40:09,980
and I wasn't. That was a big deal. I've been slated before or all my life.

2058
02:40:10,020 --> 02:40:14,460
That's not a big deal to me. He would have been to her and her, but not to me.

2059
02:40:16,700 --> 02:40:22,420
Before he fired Dan. I don't know. Two weeks before.

2060
02:40:23,260 --> 02:40:26,560
I sit between on the way out of his office. So I said, let me tell you something.

2061
02:40:27,380 --> 02:40:30,840
If I have to choose between you and Dan,

2062
02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:33,800
I'm chosen Dan.

2063
02:40:33,800 --> 02:40:36,040
I want you to know that out front,

2064
02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:45,600
and then we have the opportunity night to set a program

2065
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:50,220
to make him better, better suited for our needs.

2066
02:40:52,360 --> 02:40:59,960
He had all the opportunity in the world to see that maybe he's talking to the wrong people.

2067
02:41:01,380 --> 02:41:05,420
Maybe he's siding with this side rather than this side.

2068
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:17,260
We introduced or had someone come to us at a Georgia for that job several years ago,

2069
02:41:20,520 --> 02:41:21,060
and it was

2070
02:41:21,060 --> 02:41:22,520
top to two people.

2071
02:41:23,740 --> 02:41:30,540
And finally, he left, and his closing remark is, if I can't get all four of you or

2072
02:41:30,540 --> 02:41:37,380
all five of you to support me, I don't want to job, because it was split.

2073
02:41:37,380 --> 02:41:42,960
they voted, they voted 3, 2, 3, 2, and to God was smart enough to say, I need all

2074
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:44,120
five of you.

2075
02:41:47,340 --> 02:41:51,760
Who has attempted to make it all five?

2076
02:41:54,180 --> 02:41:58,560
Who has his job as the managed

2077
02:41:58,560 --> 02:41:59,400
to staff?

2078
02:42:03,130 --> 02:42:07,450
There's a difference between management and a leader.

2079
02:42:09,640 --> 02:42:11,140
A leader is for the people.

2080
02:42:14,990 --> 02:42:15,930
His job as management.

2081
02:42:20,050 --> 02:42:23,590
I've had all kinds of calls like you have and emails and what have

2082
02:42:23,590 --> 02:42:32,650
you. And you wouldn't know something at the hundredths I've had. There's only three that I paid

2083
02:42:32,650 --> 02:42:34,610
attention to. Three.

2084
02:42:38,180 --> 02:42:39,720
And all three said one thing.

2085
02:42:42,520 --> 02:42:46,970
I went to Dan and we had an argument.

2086
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:57,850
I didn't get what I wanted. But you know, I really respect that guy. All three said the same thing,

2087
02:42:57,850 --> 02:43:00,430
of a hundreders, whatever it is.

2088
02:43:02,670 --> 02:43:08,290
But you know, those three are up for compromise. I know what

2089
02:43:08,290 --> 02:43:11,930
Dan was under. I didn't have to ask him. In fact, I haven't asked him,

2090
02:43:15,070 --> 02:43:16,530
but to coly walk into

2091
02:43:16,530 --> 02:43:24,530
somebody and say, but your service is no longer needed, I don't know what that means. I've employed

2092
02:43:24,530 --> 02:43:32,470
The largest employer in this county for years, how many people, I don't know, but I never

2093
02:43:32,470 --> 02:43:35,910
walked up to somebody and said, pack it in.

2094
02:43:37,450 --> 02:43:44,370
There has to be something there or some quality that he doesn't have, and you know what?

2095
02:43:44,610 --> 02:43:46,070
Lebris don't change his spots,

2096
02:43:48,480 --> 02:43:54,420
okay, what program, you know, in fact the IT person came to me

2097
02:43:54,420 --> 02:44:04,080
before the meeting. I prepared something for this man to help him. Just something I'm

2098
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:12,550
going to, I'll still give it to him. But I know his failures took a while to do it.

2099
02:44:12,730 --> 02:44:22,450
In fact, I asked to do it before all of his started. He says to me to a program as you compile

2100
02:44:22,450 --> 02:44:23,530
for the German,

2101
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:26,720
he just completed.

2102
02:44:30,730 --> 02:44:32,030
But how can I,

2103
02:44:34,190 --> 02:44:38,870
I don't know. I just don't know. I don't

2104
02:44:38,870 --> 02:44:48,090
think a program is really going to change that much because he's passed that point.

2105
02:44:50,510 --> 02:44:51,590
I don't

2106
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:59,980
to say, I really don't. But I wrote the man's contract. I knew.

2107
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:09,580
What he was like when I wrote the contract. We had some stumbling bucks, bucks, not major. I took some

2108
02:45:09,580 --> 02:45:19,280
things away from him. I put some things in that he didn't ask for. At one point, it came to the

2109
02:45:19,280 --> 02:45:26,140
situation when I said to him, and he's back in Ohio, when I hang up, we're done.

2110
02:45:29,160 --> 02:45:30,600
I negotiate that

2111
02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:37,840
That's what I do. I've been doing since I was just it's tall as this table believe it or not

2112
02:45:40,620 --> 02:45:42,760
I just don't know

2113
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:49,340
That a program is going to support our needs. I really don't

2114
02:45:50,660 --> 02:45:52,500
So I

2115
02:45:54,580 --> 02:45:59,520
don't know. I like the guy. I think it's a nice guy. I never really talked to his wife

2116
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:04,380
I'm sure she's a nice person as well, and I really feel bad.

2117
02:46:06,390 --> 02:46:08,250
I do. I feel bad.

2118
02:46:10,850 --> 02:46:11,570
So I'm sorry.

2119
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:18,690
You have to talk with me. You probably said hello or whatever. We'll be never really sat down and

2120
02:46:19,700 --> 02:46:24,200
at any social. Maybe you should. Maybe I should.

2121
02:46:27,930 --> 02:46:31,810
I don't know. I don't want to go on and on. I really don't.

2122
02:46:31,810 --> 02:46:43,830
But somebody has to pull this thing together and I test don't think he's prepared for that job.

2123
02:46:44,610 --> 02:46:45,710
I really don't.

2124
02:46:47,640 --> 02:46:51,280
I just wish I could say something nicer.

2125
02:46:51,880 --> 02:46:52,540
I really do.

2126
02:46:53,080 --> 02:46:55,440
But I love her prepared for some things.

2127
02:46:58,120 --> 02:46:59,120
I've got a relationship.

2128
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:01,220
She says you use people.

2129
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:03,480
You better use people.

2130
02:47:03,480 --> 02:47:04,960
I don't know at all.

2131
02:47:08,040 --> 02:47:12,460
Maybe just for just the listening more than talking. I don't know.

2132
02:47:13,240 --> 02:47:21,140
I just don't know. But that's my feeling. I guess you know where I'm going. Not proud of it.

2133
02:47:23,050 --> 02:47:23,690
Excuse me?

2134
02:47:23,950 --> 02:47:24,910
You shouldn't be proud.

2135
02:47:25,370 --> 02:47:31,830
Well, thank you anyway. Anyway, but that's just me. It's just me.

2136
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:35,930
I've been like that all my life,

2137
02:47:39,450 --> 02:47:46,350
I don't want to talk about me, my 15-year acquaintances.

2138
02:47:47,330 --> 02:47:49,390
I shouldn't talk about me so I won't.

2139
02:47:50,270 --> 02:47:56,350
I really want to talk about him, but I just don't think as we go down the road together,

2140
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:58,710
anything's going to change.

2141
02:47:59,410 --> 02:48:03,470
If the change were made, he could have made it years ago where he came from.

2142
02:48:07,340 --> 02:48:15,820
I don't want to speak. I don't want to speak some of the problems they had. They're listening. The people from this whole town are listening tonight.

2143
02:48:16,540 --> 02:48:21,960
I have not spoken to any of those people, but all the people have.

2144
02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:30,800
I guess I should finish. Yes, I should finish. Yes, thank you.

2145
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:31,520
All right, Elizabeth.

2146
02:48:35,080 --> 02:48:35,680
Yes,

2147
02:48:37,820 --> 02:48:39,240
so, so much to say.

2148
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:50,420
Let's see, Mark, I am surprised that you're bringing this to our attention tonight in most employment scenarios.

2149
02:48:52,380 --> 02:49:08,900
You do, you employ someone, you have a review process, it's documented, so that that staff person can make improvements and then you check back in and you gauge whether improvement has been made, that is traditional in an employment setting and that hasn't been done among this group.

2150
02:49:08,900 --> 02:49:17,900
And so I think it is in our discussion tonight, which is uncomfortable, it would be critical

2151
02:49:17,900 --> 02:49:25,400
to recognize the role that we're playing in the severe dysfunction that I identify and

2152
02:49:25,400 --> 02:49:27,780
what's happening on a management level.

2153
02:49:28,700 --> 02:49:35,860
I want to give Mr. Yates the credit for making a professional decision to sign onto a contract

2154
02:49:35,860 --> 02:49:40,220
that clearly states that he is on a one-year probationary period.

2155
02:49:40,480 --> 02:49:43,220
I mean, that there's, you know, he's been working for a while.

2156
02:49:43,420 --> 02:49:44,340
He knew what he was getting into.

2157
02:49:44,480 --> 02:49:45,880
We have compensated him greatly.

2158
02:49:47,380 --> 02:49:50,500
And, or fairly, I should say, for his work.

2159
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:56,440
And for, and, and interestingly, he was employed under a different set

2160
02:49:56,440 --> 02:49:59,620
of council people who had a different agenda for the town.

2161
02:49:59,720 --> 02:50:03,880
We had an election and, and now we have a new set of people

2162
02:50:03,880 --> 02:50:11,820
who are elected by our community to choose a path for this community, and this makeup, as you

2163
02:50:11,820 --> 02:50:21,000
said, is unusual. And this group is a disruption of our status quo. And if we can't recognize

2164
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:33,040
that, as a council, we will continue to be divided. And what is happening on this group, in

2165
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:37,380
that we are creating, we are creating division in the community by our actions.

2166
02:50:38,360 --> 02:50:47,280
And I would suggest that we all are playing a role in, again, what I identified as some major

2167
02:50:47,280 --> 02:50:49,060
problems in the way you manage.

2168
02:50:50,260 --> 02:50:57,140
I think a number of us have put severe pressure on the manager, and he has been forced

2169
02:50:57,140 --> 02:51:01,020
to make decisions that he might not otherwise make, had he had a more functioning council.

2170
02:51:01,020 --> 02:51:04,200
And that's a big part of what's happening here,

2171
02:51:06,360 --> 02:51:11,900
and that's a big part of what's happening here.

2172
02:51:12,180 --> 02:51:20,180
And so if we can't take ownership of our own behavior and moving forward, nothing will change.

2173
02:51:20,180 --> 02:51:32,040
My very real sense is that many of the decisions that Mr. Yates is forced to make are coming right out of this group.

2174
02:51:32,460 --> 02:51:33,280
And that's unfortunate.

2175
02:51:35,460 --> 02:51:39,440
And yes, we have had multiple managers over the years.

2176
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:46,880
And a number of us sitting here have been on the diets when those managers have chosen to come and go.

2177
02:51:46,880 --> 02:52:18,340
So I take my decision very seriously and I know that I was elected to take my job seriously and I did write a review for Mr. Yates. It's on file. We discussed it. I didn't get the sense it was taken seriously, but you know that it was not, it was not a, actually it was in my opinion a fair review which would require

2178
02:52:18,340 --> 02:52:25,560
your improvement in performance and in any other employment scenario that I've ever been

2179
02:52:25,560 --> 02:52:32,080
in, whether I'm the employer or the employee, there is a process that we have not lived

2180
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:32,440
up to.

2181
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:39,600
We have not done our share and unfortunately, well, we have not done our part.

2182
02:52:39,600 --> 02:53:09,580
So I respect your request of this group mark, but I, I, I, I, I, I question your sincerity in, in moving, not, let me, let us not true. I don't question your sincerity. I respect your request. And it's a further and more complicated conversation than let's, you know, write up a little plan for Mr. Yates and hope that he, um,

2183
02:53:09,580 --> 02:53:15,740
follow through. Well, I think what I heard you say is that we are part of the problem. Is that?

2184
02:53:15,780 --> 02:53:21,260
You did hear me say that. And I agree with you. So here we go. We're starting to build rapport. We're

2185
02:53:21,260 --> 02:53:28,940
moving forward. What can we do to move forward? I mean, I offered to apologize if I did something wrong

2186
02:53:28,940 --> 02:53:35,160
and offended and I stand by that. But I do think that we should try to find a way to work together

2187
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:41,120
and then work with Ted and go forward. And if that doesn't work, you know, maybe we all go

2188
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:47,760
efficient. I don't know. But if we're going to have decisions like this that have enormous

2189
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:53,220
consequences that are disrupted and we don't try to at least work it out, you know, marriage

2190
02:53:53,220 --> 02:53:58,860
counseling or whatever you want to call it, we're a failure. What's interesting to me is that

2191
02:53:58,860 --> 02:54:06,600
We've created a community of us and them and that's, as you're saying, you know, good

2192
02:54:06,600 --> 02:54:08,860
marriage counseling, you know, it's not all or nothing.

2193
02:54:09,180 --> 02:54:09,960
There is a middle road.

2194
02:54:10,100 --> 02:54:16,920
In fact, Sharon has, every single meeting is talking about a middle road and wouldn't it be

2195
02:54:16,920 --> 02:54:20,140
amazing if we could find a middle road?

2196
02:54:20,140 --> 02:54:23,940
It's not pay everything over or shut everything down and grow trees.

2197
02:54:24,140 --> 02:54:27,520
There is a middle road and we are not allowing that to happen.

2198
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:37,100
I mean, and there's lots of speculation as to why our recent planning developer planning

2199
02:54:37,100 --> 02:54:38,640
director was fired.

2200
02:54:38,920 --> 02:54:39,560
We have no reason.

2201
02:54:40,140 --> 02:54:47,420
No one knows because there was nothing written down, and that is a very good example of my

2202
02:54:47,420 --> 02:54:54,080
sense is that we pressured Mr. Yates into making that decision, and we all have an opinion

2203
02:54:54,080 --> 02:54:54,640
about that.

2204
02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:57,800
We all know our role in it, and we can all take ownership for that.

2205
02:54:58,100 --> 02:55:03,400
But wouldn't it be interesting if we actually moved forward in a middle ground without

2206
02:55:03,400 --> 02:55:11,500
thinking it's, pay everything over for build or plant trees everywhere and did some smart

2207
02:55:11,500 --> 02:55:11,840
development?

2208
02:55:11,960 --> 02:55:19,840
This is an opportunity and while it might be naive and unrealistic to think that we could actually

2209
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:22,940
do something different in the way we govern.

2210
02:55:22,940 --> 02:55:29,320
this is quite an opportunity. But that would require each of us to take ownership of our roles

2211
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:34,380
in the severe dysfunction that we're under right now. And I agree with Sharon a hundred percent,

2212
02:55:34,540 --> 02:55:39,960
there is severe dysfunction here at the current at our current operating level.

2213
02:55:40,840 --> 02:55:45,320
Okay, so Elizabeth, I'm going to tell you that I disagree with you. Okay.

2214
02:55:45,880 --> 02:55:51,860
This council, since I got on, I've worked for Unity, since this council came into, this

2215
02:55:51,860 --> 02:55:57,200
town came into existence, I've worked on Unity, Tony can tell you, there's others,

2216
02:55:57,440 --> 02:56:03,640
Jim Mooney, there's many others in this community, but I beg to differ with you because

2217
02:56:03,640 --> 02:56:08,180
you came on here divided because there's divided people in our community.

2218
02:56:08,440 --> 02:56:13,080
There's a force in our community that doesn't want what they want, they want what they

2219
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:20,480
and they're determined to go okay so no Sharon I'm gonna I'm gonna say it I'm

2220
02:56:20,480 --> 02:56:26,340
gonna say it okay because I'm so people are calling me want to tell me all

2221
02:56:26,340 --> 02:56:31,300
about the stuff about Ted up there but I'm a I'm a facts guy so I go behind

2222
02:56:31,300 --> 02:56:36,380
and find out that some of these people that are calling and I go see the

2223
02:56:36,380 --> 02:56:39,040
people I know I went to high school with some of the guys that they were

2224
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:45,340
talking about. Okay, so I call and get the true facts from somebody about something that they

2225
02:56:45,340 --> 02:56:50,940
are saying one thing and we got people in this room right here that are creating division

2226
02:56:50,940 --> 02:56:57,440
in this community. Okay, we got people right in this room that are creating major because

2227
02:56:57,440 --> 02:57:09,020
they, and there's other people in this room that agree with us, all right? But I, I, I, I beg to

2228
02:57:09,020 --> 02:57:14,220
Elizabeth, you were spending hours at a time with Dan and there's a thing called a

2229
02:57:14,220 --> 02:57:19,200
administrative interference. Everything is supposed to go through Mr. Yates. Okay?

2230
02:57:20,180 --> 02:57:24,680
You spent a lot of time with Dan and if I'm going to go talk to a department head,

2231
02:57:24,820 --> 02:57:31,400
I have to get permission for Mr. Yates, our village manager, to go talk to them. Okay?

2232
02:57:32,260 --> 02:57:37,820
And I want to say, listen, do other thing? You just made a comment about the previous

2233
02:57:37,820 --> 02:57:45,100
Council. When I got on here, Maria Bassett was the man acting manager. We hired Mr. Orvick.

2234
02:57:45,300 --> 02:57:52,000
Mr. Orvick resigned from here, okay? And I'll let's say something. There's a certain

2235
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:58,100
group in our community, Mr. Orvick could not take it anymore because of what was going to

2236
02:57:58,100 --> 02:58:05,620
he would call me and say it's what some people, they think they can live the way and do what

2237
02:58:05,620 --> 02:58:12,620
want to do, but they want to tell us don't do, as I do, do, as I say. So look, I've lived

2238
02:58:12,620 --> 02:58:18,680
in this community a long time. And I, you know, Sharon, you've lived here a long time.

2239
02:58:18,920 --> 02:58:22,800
When you call me about that ramp, what did I do? I didn't even have to tell you there used

2240
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:29,280
to be a ramp there. I called the county and got pictures for you, okay, for the guides.

2241
02:58:29,560 --> 02:58:34,980
Because I, I think, Richard and the next generations coming, they need to have that opportunity

2242
02:58:34,980 --> 02:58:40,920
the, to have a ramp, we need to help them. Okay, but, you know, we are grown-ups here.

2243
02:58:41,160 --> 02:58:48,640
In the way, I think the way that some of us have trees, Ted and I have had words, too.

2244
02:58:49,020 --> 02:58:56,720
But you know what? There's a thing called forgiveness. I've had guys work for me in my company

2245
02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:03,100
that said they fell off an excavator. Collected workers' comp. It was a fraud. Okay, you

2246
02:59:03,100 --> 02:59:08,180
know what, though, because they weren't good workers, I brought him back again. I gave

2247
02:59:08,180 --> 02:59:14,260
them a second chance. And I just think, and I see people out there shaking their head like

2248
02:59:14,260 --> 02:59:18,740
van and others. Okay, but I'm sorry, I'm going to speak the truth there, because the truth

2249
02:59:18,740 --> 02:59:24,440
sets you free. And you know what, we ought to try to work together. Okay, because I'm not

2250
02:59:24,440 --> 02:59:29,800
working to divide. I've tried Elizabeth since you got on here. We need to work together. If we

2251
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:38,040
We are unproductive and there's so much negativity going on that he said she said to me

2252
02:59:38,040 --> 02:59:45,140
I don't want to be involved in it anymore. I don't want to be involved in it. If these other people think they can do such a great job

2253
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:50,680
Hey, you know, and you know what some of these people

2254
02:59:50,680 --> 02:59:58,600
It's been a lot of money in this community trying to take myself and mark Greg out saying that I was the

2255
02:59:58,600 --> 02:59:59,800
I was stopping

2256
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:23,520
Clean water coming south because I back our lobbyist up Gray Robinson. And you know what I told Miss Judy Hall, Judy? You know what? I am not going to throw one ounce of dirt at these people. One ounce of mud because that my father told me that's not the way to do it. And you know what? The people of Alamara voted? Both times I got elected, I had to most votes of anybody.

2257
03:00:25,400 --> 03:00:26,440
What's that?

2258
03:00:27,260 --> 03:00:28,240
What's he saying?

2259
03:00:29,400 --> 03:00:30,760
Hey, you know what?

2260
03:00:30,980 --> 03:00:31,700
I'm allowed to speak.

2261
03:00:31,880 --> 03:00:32,320
They spoke.

2262
03:00:32,520 --> 03:00:33,540
I'm allowed to speak.

2263
03:00:34,880 --> 03:00:35,400
Yeah.

2264
03:00:35,640 --> 03:00:38,080
I am speaking on it.

2265
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:39,820
So we're talking about division.

2266
03:00:43,270 --> 03:00:45,230
So, you know, I heard you, Henry.

2267
03:00:45,630 --> 03:00:48,310
Henry and I have, we hadn't voted all the time together.

2268
03:00:48,890 --> 03:00:50,290
We disagree, but you know what?

2269
03:00:50,330 --> 03:00:51,110
We're grownups.

2270
03:00:51,110 --> 03:00:55,270
Can't we agree that we can disagree on something and still be friends?

2271
03:00:57,590 --> 03:00:58,870
Can I just say a couple things?

2272
03:00:59,610 --> 03:01:04,870
I'm finished. I'm finished because I don't need to say any more. I see a lot of people that I know in this room

2273
03:01:04,870 --> 03:01:14,230
and I've gotten Henry's gotten 100 phone calls, shares got 100 phone calls, maybe more for Sharon. I've gotten probably over 150 phone calls.

2274
03:01:14,430 --> 03:01:19,770
I had to turn my phone off three days ago because I have a family. I have a life.

2275
03:01:21,750 --> 03:01:27,930
Mr. Mayor, I think we have seen the enemy and it is us.

2276
03:01:28,750 --> 03:01:32,870
We need help and why don't we take advantage of it.

2277
03:01:34,050 --> 03:01:41,170
I think I mentioned to you when I tried to sell my story about the performance improvement

2278
03:01:41,170 --> 03:01:41,650
program.

2279
03:01:42,570 --> 03:01:48,490
But Allison has worked within their firm as work with and others these professionals that

2280
03:01:48,490 --> 03:01:53,030
and they have we have a little retreat I don't know that we go to the Bahamas but we might

2281
03:01:53,030 --> 03:01:58,490
go somewhere here and stay for a day we just we just talk about the other things nothing to do

2282
03:01:58,490 --> 03:02:04,550
with government how how we we we we team up and we solve problems we have we discuss things and we

2283
03:02:04,550 --> 03:02:09,510
get to know each other a little bit better I think that would do us a world of good and if we're

2284
03:02:09,510 --> 03:02:15,950
going to continue fighting we're going to go nowhere mark and then for the League of Cities offers

2285
03:02:15,950 --> 03:02:22,570
exactly a lot of these classes that and and I go to a lot of these things. I've got I've had great

2286
03:02:22,570 --> 03:02:29,010
relationships. I've met very great good people from this but I think at this point I think we need to

2287
03:02:29,010 --> 03:02:33,670
we need to have public comment we need to let public comment come up because a lot of people have

2288
03:02:33,670 --> 03:02:40,670
came so I would like to at this time if you're opposing Ted I'd like to have the people that

2289
03:02:40,670 --> 03:02:48,170
post-tad staying here come forward and then we will do those to support dead. So, if you're

2290
03:02:48,170 --> 03:02:52,850
if you're opposing Ted, would you please sign up with Marty and come forward?

2291
03:02:56,840 --> 03:02:57,520
Three minutes.

2292
03:02:58,360 --> 03:03:07,020
Can you say your name please? Joe Wishmire. Plantation. Plantation. Key. There have been a lot

2293
03:03:07,020 --> 03:03:12,240
of inconsistencies since Mr. Yase has taken over his manager. That has led to some dissension

2294
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:17,520
with some council members, even during council meetings. Even when some members attempted to

2295
03:03:17,520 --> 03:03:23,080
get items put on agenda, they were told no. There was also a dissension among staff members

2296
03:03:23,080 --> 03:03:28,640
which led to the firing of a very popular and overqualified planning director who was promoted

2297
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:34,940
to director of development services and planning to Angleysio. He did not even consult council

2298
03:03:34,940 --> 03:03:40,860
members to let them know of his plans to fire him. While he did not have to, it would have been

2299
03:03:40,860 --> 03:03:45,860
consider it since he was a high ranking official and not in the best interest of the village

2300
03:03:45,860 --> 03:03:54,360
to let him go. Now some departments and staff members have four day work weeks. I can't even

2301
03:03:54,360 --> 03:04:01,020
get info on who works and when so that I can make plans. Is it four or ten hour days? Is it just

2302
03:04:01,020 --> 03:04:07,140
four days? Again, without consulting council members. Did Mr. Yates forget that the council

2303
03:04:07,140 --> 03:04:12,940
works for the people of Island Marada and he works for the council. We deserve more transparency

2304
03:04:12,940 --> 03:04:14,360
on major decisions.

2305
03:04:17,450 --> 03:04:21,690
I don't know how department heads can function properly knowing that they can be

2306
03:04:21,690 --> 03:04:28,370
fired at any moment no matter how good of a job that they are doing. While Mr. Yates was not here

2307
03:04:28,370 --> 03:04:39,230
for all of the wastewater projects, he was here for some. Lack of oversight has now led to

2308
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:43,040
the

2309
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:46,260
of us who are dealing with it.

2310
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:50,260
Since 1997, we have had 11 different managers

2311
03:04:50,260 --> 03:04:51,780
most from out of state.

2312
03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:56,200
The average term of a manager is usually less than two years.

2313
03:04:56,720 --> 03:04:58,540
The last one lasted seven months.

2314
03:05:00,020 --> 03:05:01,700
We as residents deserve better.

2315
03:05:01,940 --> 03:05:04,340
I am sure that for $200,000 a year,

2316
03:05:04,580 --> 03:05:06,500
plus $48,000 for housing,

2317
03:05:07,060 --> 03:05:08,920
we can find a local in Monroe County

2318
03:05:08,920 --> 03:05:10,800
that understands our unique problems

2319
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:12,220
and will stick around longer.

2320
03:05:12,220 --> 03:05:13,760
Thank you.

2321
03:05:19,400 --> 03:05:20,540
He's coming up.

2322
03:05:30,120 --> 03:05:32,440
And a whole different speech on the merits.

2323
03:05:33,220 --> 03:05:34,740
If we get to those.

2324
03:05:35,500 --> 03:05:39,160
But this is a pretty...

2325
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:41,280
First shaking discussion.

2326
03:05:42,260 --> 03:05:44,340
First of all, I got to say,

2327
03:05:45,080 --> 03:05:48,800
Mark is a solo person and an issue declared issue advocate.

2328
03:05:49,440 --> 03:05:51,800
You should not have taken access.

2329
03:05:52,440 --> 03:05:55,560
Soul access to a village lawyer without three votes.

2330
03:05:55,560 --> 03:06:01,220
This guy right here has denied other people's request because they didn't have three votes.

2331
03:06:01,620 --> 03:06:02,980
That's not right.

2332
03:06:06,180 --> 03:06:07,740
You can check ahead, but it's not right.

2333
03:06:09,720 --> 03:06:18,360
It's also questionably ethical for a declared advocate to interview staff non-confidentially,

2334
03:06:18,620 --> 03:06:24,160
who are quite probably scared crapless for their own jobs after the brutal way that Dan was treated.

2335
03:06:25,820 --> 03:06:27,160
Don't know why they wouldn't be.

2336
03:06:29,050 --> 03:06:33,850
It's disingenuous to pretend as you started to,

2337
03:06:34,050 --> 03:06:39,330
that there's not great division, obviously you misperseed that.

2338
03:06:43,360 --> 03:06:46,360
There's already lots of division on the council,

2339
03:06:47,220 --> 03:06:49,540
but not between you two guys and Yates,

2340
03:06:49,620 --> 03:06:51,120
because you've been waiting all along,

2341
03:06:51,620 --> 03:06:54,780
and you have been disrespecting and intimidating

2342
03:06:54,780 --> 03:06:57,180
our two new council members.

2343
03:06:59,640 --> 03:07:02,100
And inappropriately, they've got a lot of

2344
03:07:02,100 --> 03:07:10,100
it on reform platforms by people who wanted change the same voters who rejected your former

2345
03:07:10,100 --> 03:07:13,760
couple of colleagues that were in on the deals.

2346
03:07:18,860 --> 03:07:22,940
The condescending way you have treated these

2347
03:07:22,940 --> 03:07:30,800
highly accomplished women who were put into your company by the voters including the way

2348
03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:35,560
do move things around and put Sharon in between you guys so you could

2349
03:07:35,560 --> 03:07:41,860
murder a advice tour which we've all seen you do during meetings.

2350
03:07:43,860 --> 03:07:44,400
And

2351
03:07:47,790 --> 03:07:49,710
that's not where she was sitting in the beginning.

2352
03:07:51,090 --> 03:07:52,490
You guys moved her.

2353
03:07:55,020 --> 03:07:58,300
It's disgraceful anyway the way the women have been treated.

2354
03:07:58,960 --> 03:08:02,760
It shouldn't have been necessary for Sharon to do that heart-rending

2355
03:08:02,760 --> 03:08:11,580
difficult, that took a lot of guts. Disclosure, but you shouldn't have had to. And you

2356
03:08:11,580 --> 03:08:19,700
guys shouldn't have participated in that kind of treatment and of which Ted Yates'

2357
03:08:21,400 --> 03:08:26,100
obviously guilty. You shouldn't have had to tell him if he had the character and

2358
03:08:26,100 --> 03:08:31,240
integrity that you're going to dilute yourselves into thinking that you need to

2359
03:08:31,240 --> 03:08:36,180
We need everybody needs to be able to speak so I got to let someone else talk to your time right now

2360
03:08:36,180 --> 03:08:44,620
Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Well, you know, we're glad to hear your family history some more. Okay, it's really good. So Marny, who's next, please?

2361
03:08:45,940 --> 03:08:46,160
Hey, and

2362
03:08:47,940 --> 03:08:49,800
John, just to let you know

2363
03:08:50,420 --> 03:08:52,280
when he just said something about

2364
03:08:53,500 --> 03:08:54,000
three

2365
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:58,640
consensus Henry put this thing on tap seven with no other

2366
03:08:58,640 --> 03:09:03,420
consensus from other counsel at all one counsel person.

2367
03:09:05,940 --> 03:09:08,240
Okay I just want the public to know

2368
03:09:08,240 --> 03:09:16,480
that are who's next please. Uh uh that a poet is opposing Ted anybody else opposing Ted.

2369
03:09:19,900 --> 03:09:24,990
Van Kadenhead. Um I I also think Ted's a nice guy.

2370
03:09:25,950 --> 03:09:35,470
House and ever. He was put in on a temporary basis. His trial period began almost a year ago.

2371
03:09:37,870 --> 03:09:44,390
Any problems that we've had with him should have been addressed in this council by you people.

2372
03:09:44,770 --> 03:09:50,590
Now, the only person that left that made a review, we should have had a six-month review, which we did not.

2373
03:09:50,590 --> 03:09:53,010
That's a failure of all five of you.

2374
03:09:53,770 --> 03:10:03,430
We had a review for the termination of this contract was an evaluation by Captain Jolund and

2375
03:10:03,430 --> 03:10:05,210
she's the only one that put it in writing.

2376
03:10:05,890 --> 03:10:10,970
All five of you made evaluations for the garbage contract.

2377
03:10:11,290 --> 03:10:18,250
You rated all the different areas of the contention for the garbage contract and something

2378
03:10:18,250 --> 03:10:26,850
as important as a village manager, you should have put in in writing your opinions, your evaluation

2379
03:10:26,850 --> 03:10:31,530
of his performance, which none of you have done, say, for the captain.

2380
03:10:33,670 --> 03:10:37,190
So he's had his time.

2381
03:10:37,410 --> 03:10:47,230
He's had his probation and for Mr. Greg to come in here in a desperate means to try to

2382
03:10:47,230 --> 03:10:54,250
You skate the problem that we've been having and to kick the can down the road with a PIP programmer or some other

2383
03:10:55,170 --> 03:11:02,970
This is a this is a call the question question and it should have been called on tab one not tab seven

2384
03:11:02,970 --> 03:11:05,030
because it it you know

2385
03:11:05,030 --> 03:11:05,810
it

2386
03:11:05,810 --> 03:11:06,770
is

2387
03:11:06,770 --> 03:11:11,030
ingrained in everything in the agenda tonight all 19

2388
03:11:13,510 --> 03:11:15,350
tabs of it

2389
03:11:15,350 --> 03:11:28,670
You know, I had stood up here for months and said that in the charter of this village, that we've had two meetings a month,

2390
03:11:29,210 --> 03:11:34,790
the supposed to be the first and third Thursday of every month, that's in the charter of the village.

2391
03:11:35,230 --> 03:11:38,850
And that changed to three meetings a month, which led to a lot of confusion.

2392
03:11:38,850 --> 03:11:43,590
And if everybody in the village could concentrate, I know in that there was going to be

2393
03:11:43,590 --> 03:11:49,150
a meeting on the second and fourth of the first and third Thursday, then we could plan

2394
03:11:49,150 --> 03:11:49,970
around that.

2395
03:11:50,110 --> 03:11:55,010
And all you could plan your vacations and your business trips and you're being out of town.

2396
03:11:55,490 --> 03:11:56,870
But that's not possible.

2397
03:11:58,070 --> 03:12:02,890
So you've done it to yourself, you're crippling yourself and you're definitely crippling

2398
03:12:02,890 --> 03:12:05,530
the people of Adam and Rada by the dissension,

2399
03:12:06,030 --> 03:12:09,710
because you have made the disunity in the community.

2400
03:12:10,110 --> 03:12:11,470
And you've done it with impunity

2401
03:12:11,470 --> 03:12:13,350
with all this learning unity.

2402
03:12:13,790 --> 03:12:15,330
And we're getting tired of it.

2403
03:12:15,550 --> 03:12:19,650
We don't want to continue to listen to one excuse after another.

2404
03:12:19,810 --> 03:12:22,150
And we want to see a fish netty else needs to speak.

2405
03:12:22,490 --> 03:12:22,830
Your time's up.

2406
03:12:22,830 --> 03:12:24,190
Listen, my time's not up.

2407
03:12:24,370 --> 03:12:26,350
I've still got a yellow time is up, right?

2408
03:12:26,350 --> 03:12:29,450
Yeah, okay, well, you cut me off like you always do.

2409
03:12:29,450 --> 03:12:33,190
And you've got, you've got, man, you're out of order, sir.

2410
03:12:33,410 --> 03:12:36,350
You don't allow the people to see me.

2411
03:12:36,610 --> 03:12:38,430
I'm going to ask you need to step down.

2412
03:12:38,530 --> 03:12:40,370
You need to step down, man.

2413
03:12:42,210 --> 03:12:46,970
Hey, Derek, any more, he can be asked for it,

2414
03:12:46,970 --> 03:12:48,590
because I am not going to put up with that.

2415
03:12:48,590 --> 03:12:50,230
Who's next, Marty?

2416
03:12:51,030 --> 03:12:52,990
Anybody who's opposing to head next?

2417
03:12:54,250 --> 03:12:56,470
I'm not clear on the people who put up.

2418
03:12:58,690 --> 03:13:06,250
I'm asking if they're opposing Ted, not to stay here to come up, so are you coming up, Sandy?

2419
03:13:07,230 --> 03:13:08,490
Okay, you're opposing Ted.

2420
03:13:09,510 --> 03:13:16,210
I'm here to show respect in particular as a woman for the two women who were on the board

2421
03:13:17,130 --> 03:13:21,350
because I serve in a lot of boards and I still do.

2422
03:13:21,350 --> 03:13:27,830
And I respect all of you for what you do, but I would like to say, I noticed as soon as Sharon Mahoney was

2423
03:13:28,530 --> 03:13:37,970
Selected as Vice Chair, I think it was by Mark, I'm not sure who did it. But as soon as it was either you or Mark, but as soon as it happened

2424
03:13:37,970 --> 03:13:44,730
The first thing she was told to do was move because she was sitting where Henry was sitting

2425
03:13:45,350 --> 03:13:46,890
She was fine

2426
03:13:46,890 --> 03:13:59,070
And I watched that on TV and that what happened is she was placed between the both of you and I don't know if there's a protocol that the vice chair has to sit to the left of the chair

2427
03:13:59,070 --> 03:14:16,570
but she was fine where she was and she was next to Elizabeth and it sounds trivial but she's surrounded by certain perspectives and I feel sorry for all of you because there's so much polarization going on

2428
03:14:16,570 --> 03:14:21,690
And I have a lot of respect for all of you, but as a woman I want to say, especially for Elizabeth and Sharon,

2429
03:14:22,450 --> 03:14:25,930
I have a lot of empathy for what you're trying to do today. Thank you.

2430
03:14:26,670 --> 03:14:30,170
Thank you, Sandy. Anybody else opposing Ted?

2431
03:14:31,810 --> 03:14:35,330
If you're not in support, you're opposing him. So nobody else, Marny?

2432
03:14:36,530 --> 03:14:41,290
There are two hands raised on Zoom. Okay. First, Dave Peckovich. Okay.

2433
03:14:43,930 --> 03:14:46,870
Go ahead and speak. You've been allowed to speak.

2434
03:14:47,770 --> 03:14:48,970
Good evening, Council.

2435
03:14:50,330 --> 03:14:53,510
And thank you for this moment.

2436
03:14:54,990 --> 03:14:58,090
In the last meeting, I want to make a couple of comments about the last meeting.

2437
03:14:58,930 --> 03:14:59,970
And Ted reminded us.

2438
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:08,940
In the last meeting at the village council, has gone through ten managers. I think this is a sad, horrible excuse for the dysfunction

2439
03:15:08,940 --> 03:15:24,340
and management that's been going on. Another thing I want to say about the last meeting was, and in this meeting, many people are asking, why was the unfire by death? Why was he transitioned out?

2440
03:15:24,340 --> 03:15:26,560
And I believe this was crystal clear.

2441
03:15:26,880 --> 03:15:31,100
Dan wouldn't fit into Mr. Yates's plans for expansion,

2442
03:15:31,300 --> 03:15:31,840
development.

2443
03:15:32,620 --> 03:15:34,060
It's as simple as that.

2444
03:15:35,240 --> 03:15:37,280
We don't need a rehabilitation of Ted.

2445
03:15:37,900 --> 03:15:39,740
We need to transition away.

2446
03:15:40,900 --> 03:15:42,880
I am Forty Mile Marada,

2447
03:15:44,040 --> 03:15:44,700
not team Ted.

2448
03:15:45,560 --> 03:15:46,260
Thank you, Council.

2449
03:15:46,900 --> 03:15:47,880
Thank you, Dave.

2450
03:15:48,400 --> 03:15:49,240
Who's next, Marty?

2451
03:15:51,680 --> 03:15:54,200
Kate Robert, hold on one sec.

2452
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:57,060
Okay, you've got permission to speak, I had.

2453
03:15:58,100 --> 03:16:01,620
Thank you very much, Robert Moser, in Lower Metacombe.

2454
03:16:04,300 --> 03:16:06,020
But this meeting sucks.

2455
03:16:06,840 --> 03:16:13,320
I want to say that I wish Dan would have gotten a PIP chance.

2456
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:17,020
I think this is a council communication about a PIP chance

2457
03:16:17,020 --> 03:16:20,180
and I think that Dan Glusio deserved the PIP chance.

2458
03:16:20,920 --> 03:16:23,020
And that's all I'm going to say. Thank you very much.

2459
03:16:23,460 --> 03:16:23,780
Thank you, Robert.

2460
03:16:24,440 --> 03:16:25,820
Okay, Marny, anybody else?

2461
03:16:25,820 --> 03:16:37,400
Not that I'm aware of. Okay, so now we're going to go to those if you're here tonight or you're on zoom and you are supporting Ted as our village manager

2462
03:16:38,200 --> 03:16:43,580
Who do we have signed up, Marnie? I know Mr. Hammond is Tony's here

2463
03:16:44,400 --> 03:16:53,960
Everyone was signed up to speak on item number seven, so I don't okay, so okay, so if you're here to speak on Ted's behalf

2464
03:16:53,960 --> 03:16:58,120
We start coming forward to the mic.

2465
03:17:07,530 --> 03:17:09,910
Well, I guess I drew the short straw on this one.

2466
03:17:13,850 --> 03:17:15,450
First of all, thank you, Council.

2467
03:17:15,590 --> 03:17:18,550
Thank those of you that contacted me and responded to me.

2468
03:17:18,730 --> 03:17:19,430
Sharon, thank you.

2469
03:17:20,730 --> 03:17:22,750
Lady, thank you for your comments as well.

2470
03:17:23,070 --> 03:17:26,230
And I think we learned some things tonight.

2471
03:17:26,770 --> 03:17:27,570
Then I think we're important.

2472
03:17:29,550 --> 03:17:31,350
But I'm here to speak in favor,

2473
03:17:31,350 --> 03:17:36,970
on behalf of Mr. Yates. I believe that there's a more and this is a key word that I've

2474
03:17:36,970 --> 03:17:42,790
used with all of you. I believe there's a more edemptive path. There's a path that doesn't

2475
03:17:42,790 --> 03:17:50,610
involve malicious payback, which I see happening here, that can be taken rather than jumping

2476
03:17:50,610 --> 03:17:58,670
immediately into not renewing his contract. You know, I've been an educational my life. I don't know

2477
03:17:58,670 --> 03:18:01,830
of a single school administrator or teacher.

2478
03:18:02,250 --> 03:18:03,390
Tony, can you hold up a minute?

2479
03:18:03,410 --> 03:18:05,830
Can we please have silence to not be talking?

2480
03:18:06,090 --> 03:18:08,550
If you're going to talk, can you go outside please?

2481
03:18:09,110 --> 03:18:12,570
Because it's disruptive for Mr. Hamm and when he's speaking.

2482
03:18:13,810 --> 03:18:18,890
I start to say, I don't know any school that the teachers and the administration

2483
03:18:19,430 --> 03:18:22,130
don't have to go through a review on a regular basis.

2484
03:18:23,750 --> 03:18:26,650
What my jobs in grad school is supervising student teachers.

2485
03:18:26,650 --> 03:18:36,050
So that's a normal process, so I'm embarrassed that we haven't had that in place already and that would certainly have prevented much of what we're dealing with.

2486
03:18:36,870 --> 03:18:47,370
I believe that Mr. Hates has functioned with great integrity, even by refusing to publicly air his reasons for terminating his employee and that's what he was hired to do.

2487
03:18:47,370 --> 03:18:51,050
Um, the employees that work under him are his responsibility.

2488
03:18:51,710 --> 03:18:56,770
I think Council, you have the responsibility of hiring a village manager and village attorney,

2489
03:18:56,830 --> 03:18:58,910
if I understand the rule correctly.

2490
03:18:59,590 --> 03:19:06,830
And so, uh, he did and functioned in within the realm of his job description.

2491
03:19:07,610 --> 03:19:09,770
Uh, I would challenge us to take the high road.

2492
03:19:09,950 --> 03:19:15,230
I always try to look for the high road in this and I just want to encourage you to do that.

2493
03:19:15,910 --> 03:19:21,290
not to pit ourselves in this side, and that side, I heard that mentioned here, and that's

2494
03:19:21,290 --> 03:19:29,490
the problem, because we have a very, very vocal group who do not speak for the majority

2495
03:19:29,490 --> 03:19:31,430
of the islands.

2496
03:19:33,730 --> 03:19:35,210
It's all I want to say about that.

2497
03:19:36,290 --> 03:19:41,570
There's, I believe that there's more equitable and reasonable solution for a man that's

2498
03:19:41,570 --> 03:19:44,770
in a position only a year, actually less than a year.

2499
03:19:45,270 --> 03:19:46,290
He's done his job well.

2500
03:19:46,530 --> 03:19:48,470
He's conducted himself in a professional manner.

2501
03:19:48,570 --> 03:19:49,430
I know him personally.

2502
03:19:49,990 --> 03:19:52,890
You hired him to make the hiring and firing decisions.

2503
03:19:53,390 --> 03:19:54,590
Don't tie his hands.

2504
03:19:56,170 --> 03:19:57,710
And thank you Ted for having the integrity,

2505
03:19:58,230 --> 03:20:02,470
not to air any reasoning in front of this group.

2506
03:20:03,730 --> 03:20:05,150
He had to make a very difficult call.

2507
03:20:05,330 --> 03:20:06,190
And he made the call.

2508
03:20:06,890 --> 03:20:08,210
I am very concerned for this village.

2509
03:20:08,350 --> 03:20:11,550
Like many of you said, I do not know if we will

2510
03:20:11,550 --> 03:20:18,370
survive many more village managers. I have village managers called some of the

2511
03:20:18,370 --> 03:20:21,190
candidates call me and say, you know, you've been here a long time, you're a

2512
03:20:21,190 --> 03:20:27,510
pastor in the community, what would you do? I would have to say, don't come, you

2513
03:20:27,510 --> 03:20:33,690
know, at this point. So I'm concerned about that and I did a survey today. I

2514
03:20:33,690 --> 03:20:38,570
went in, I had to go in and do some LPA work and the staff was all wearing

2515
03:20:38,570 --> 03:20:47,330
team Ted, stickers, and they said the morale has been better right now than it's been in ages.

2516
03:20:48,090 --> 03:20:52,730
And so I went around and I said, is that true? Is that true? Is that true? Is that true? Is that you see the shaking their head?

2517
03:20:52,970 --> 03:20:59,530
But they can't say that. So team Ted, would you guys stand up? If you're just, if you're here for team Ted, stand for me.

2518
03:20:59,670 --> 03:21:04,570
Will you? You're allowed to do it. So if you're team Ted, stand up.

2519
03:21:04,570 --> 03:21:11,610
All right. These are staff members who are saying, yeah, we work with this guy. We think this is great.

2520
03:21:12,130 --> 03:21:18,290
And I bet there are a lot of other people in the room that would also stand and say, yeah, we're team-ted.

2521
03:21:20,570 --> 03:21:28,930
So I stopped it when I had to tell people to stop. So I gave Tony a few more seconds. Captain Ed, I appreciate it.

2522
03:21:29,150 --> 03:21:32,430
Thank you. Captain Ed, by the way, great comments on the reef. Good job.

2523
03:21:32,430 --> 03:21:35,830
not so great comments on on the rest of the things you had to say.

2524
03:21:37,590 --> 03:21:43,190
Henry, I am, I, because Mike's not here to defend himself, I'm going to say this.

2525
03:21:43,910 --> 03:21:49,710
I'm going to give you, I asked Tony to come at the last meeting I said I was going to ask

2526
03:21:49,710 --> 03:21:55,890
Tony Hamon to come to this meeting, because I wanted Tony Hamon's opinion on Mike Forster

2527
03:21:55,890 --> 03:21:57,490
and Tony was in Uganda.

2528
03:21:57,490 --> 03:22:00,210
So, Marty, would you restart the clock, please?

2529
03:22:00,830 --> 03:22:03,790
This has nothing to do with Ted, and Tony wanted to say,

2530
03:22:03,790 --> 03:22:06,550
ask me if he could say this, and I told him absolutely.

2531
03:22:06,770 --> 03:22:07,670
I don't need three minutes.

2532
03:22:07,770 --> 03:22:08,590
I need thirty seconds.

2533
03:22:09,530 --> 03:22:17,250
I just want to say that naming the dog park in Mike's honor would be a wonderful thing to do.

2534
03:22:17,550 --> 03:22:23,810
I am deeply hurt that you would bring a man who's the cease-up in the way you did publicly.

2535
03:22:24,970 --> 03:22:25,930
I'm embarrassed.

2536
03:22:27,150 --> 03:22:28,830
I'm saddened by that.

2537
03:22:30,110 --> 03:22:32,530
I've known Mike, as well as anybody, as Buddy said.

2538
03:22:33,210 --> 03:22:34,890
And I knew him, and I watched him change.

2539
03:22:35,370 --> 03:22:39,790
We started out as enemies, literally, or on the political side of things.

2540
03:22:40,330 --> 03:22:41,330
And we developed a friendship.

2541
03:22:41,570 --> 03:22:43,150
He went to Africa with me three times.

2542
03:22:43,450 --> 03:22:44,830
I watched him change.

2543
03:22:45,190 --> 03:22:49,350
And I believe that that change is a result of what I saw

2544
03:22:49,350 --> 03:22:55,290
is hard, and I watched him put a family in a trailer on our property for over a month, actually

2545
03:22:55,290 --> 03:22:59,690
about six months, until he could get re-established back in the bomb, it's about toys for the

2546
03:22:59,690 --> 03:23:00,450
kids, everything.

2547
03:23:01,390 --> 03:23:05,650
So, anyway, I just, I want you to know how saddened I am by that, and I always said

2548
03:23:05,650 --> 03:23:06,650
hadn't happened publicly.

2549
03:23:07,410 --> 03:23:07,910
Thank you, Tony.

2550
03:23:08,430 --> 03:23:15,870
Marny, who's next, please, speaking in favor for Ted, come on to the mic, come on.

2551
03:23:16,790 --> 03:23:18,070
You have three minutes, young man.

2552
03:23:18,430 --> 03:23:18,950
Thank you.

2553
03:23:18,950 --> 03:23:26,410
So the compliment, Glenn Latham, I've been here 11 years, this has been interesting.

2554
03:23:27,350 --> 03:23:35,030
Seeing the device of nature here, but I appreciate everybody being candid and airing your

2555
03:23:35,030 --> 03:23:38,950
dirty laundry because it's not easy to do that.

2556
03:23:38,950 --> 03:23:50,270
And I don't see how a council could really effectively make a decision if you're so divisive.

2557
03:23:50,790 --> 03:23:54,190
I think first there needs to be a PIP for the council.

2558
03:23:55,370 --> 03:23:57,890
So something, so come together.

2559
03:23:58,210 --> 03:24:05,790
I would implore you to come together as a council so that you can make a good decision on

2560
03:24:05,790 --> 03:24:11,610
where to move forward. I've known Mr. Yates for a year and since he's been here and I

2561
03:24:11,610 --> 03:24:18,010
can say a lot of good things about him and I've heard some nitpicky things, some personal

2562
03:24:18,010 --> 03:24:24,330
things, some people feeling attacked or and I've been on you know half billion dollar company

2563
03:24:24,330 --> 03:24:32,590
executive committees and when we had disagreements we worked it out so your grownups and

2564
03:24:32,590 --> 03:24:35,070
We need to come together and work things out.

2565
03:24:35,670 --> 03:24:41,170
I share and I felt sorry for you actually when you were speaking and you've got to work

2566
03:24:41,170 --> 03:24:41,670
it out.

2567
03:24:41,790 --> 03:24:42,610
You're a grown woman.

2568
03:24:43,270 --> 03:24:47,430
You know, you just can't take your ball and go home and you know, work it out.

2569
03:24:47,550 --> 03:24:50,850
That's what you're elected to do and probably even paid.

2570
03:24:50,890 --> 03:24:52,610
I don't know if you're paid and probably something.

2571
03:24:53,910 --> 03:24:57,110
But you're paid more than me for what I do here.

2572
03:24:59,030 --> 03:25:00,430
So you know, come together.

2573
03:25:00,430 --> 03:25:11,410
I implore the council to come together and you've got to fix yourselves before you can even think about making the decision about the village manager because it hasn't worked

2574
03:25:11,410 --> 03:25:14,720
all these years when 11 in like 24 years

2575
03:25:15,670 --> 03:25:19,700
Come on, we got to do better than that we've got a good guy here now

2576
03:25:19,990 --> 03:25:27,190
Let's make it work and it's really your responsibility I believe to help make that work

2577
03:25:27,190 --> 03:25:31,390
So, that's what I'd like to see. Thank you.

2578
03:25:31,690 --> 03:25:33,050
Who's next, who's here?

2579
03:25:33,330 --> 03:25:34,590
It's going to come speak, please.

2580
03:25:42,200 --> 03:25:47,300
I'm not going to need three minutes because Tony Hammond and Glenn just said a lot.

2581
03:25:48,660 --> 03:25:52,880
You know, originally we all have all our very emails. You know what we think of Ted.

2582
03:25:55,260 --> 03:25:56,700
I'm sorry, David Epstein.

2583
03:25:56,700 --> 03:25:58,520
I'm out of politics,

2584
03:26:00,580 --> 03:26:03,780
is really, there's nothing you can't say that's been good for

2585
03:26:03,780 --> 03:26:09,500
the past year about him, about Ted and his wife, look at July 4, look at all the

2586
03:26:09,500 --> 03:26:14,340
events that have happened, look at the staff, you have over $10 million worth of staff

2587
03:26:14,340 --> 03:26:17,700
here that's pretty damn happy for more I can tell.

2588
03:26:19,480 --> 03:26:26,680
I'm kind of effectively been a city manager on an air force base for last few years and

2589
03:26:26,680 --> 03:26:29,320
Homestead, I've done it around the world.

2590
03:26:30,080 --> 03:26:32,000
I know what it takes, you got to be a leader.

2591
03:26:32,700 --> 03:26:34,220
I know somebody said, you don't need to be a leader.

2592
03:26:34,540 --> 03:26:35,760
Yeah, absolutely, you have to be a leader,

2593
03:26:36,300 --> 03:26:38,880
you have to be a manager, you have to do all those things.

2594
03:26:39,180 --> 03:26:40,820
And that's what's going on here right now.

2595
03:26:41,360 --> 03:26:43,180
So I kind of, you know, what Gwen said,

2596
03:26:43,300 --> 03:26:46,060
and what Tony said, let's fix this problem.

2597
03:26:46,340 --> 03:26:48,280
Then take a look at that a year from now.

2598
03:26:48,320 --> 03:26:49,520
See what that looks like.

2599
03:26:49,720 --> 03:26:50,840
But that's what I've seen.

2600
03:26:51,080 --> 03:26:52,840
I've only been coming here a couple of months.

2601
03:26:53,680 --> 03:26:55,200
You're going to start seeing me a little bit more.

2602
03:26:55,200 --> 03:27:04,240
As I start to wind down my government career on the other side and I look forward to it and I look forward to working with Ted over the next five to ten years.

2603
03:27:04,680 --> 03:27:07,660
That's really what needs to happen here.

2604
03:27:08,040 --> 03:27:09,000
Everything else has been said.

2605
03:27:10,000 --> 03:27:11,240
Thank you Ted for what you do.

2606
03:27:11,660 --> 03:27:12,200
Thank you.

2607
03:27:13,240 --> 03:27:13,440
All right.

2608
03:27:13,460 --> 03:27:16,300
Thanks for giving us the extra time to Dave.

2609
03:27:17,500 --> 03:27:18,080
Thank you.

2610
03:27:18,300 --> 03:27:18,900
Good evening, Council.

2611
03:27:19,080 --> 03:27:19,980
Good evening, fellow.

2612
03:27:20,300 --> 03:27:21,320
I'm a lot of residents.

2613
03:27:22,020 --> 03:27:23,260
First I'm going to say,

2614
03:27:23,260 --> 03:27:31,700
I'm sorry. Yes, I know. Andy Newman. I am a full-time resident of Alamurada on El Capitand

2615
03:27:31,700 --> 03:27:39,820
Drive, Lower Metacombe Key. Father Tony, I respect you so much. Your words offer so much encouragement,

2616
03:27:40,480 --> 03:27:47,460
so much wisdom, Councilwoman Jolyn. Your words just now, a couple, I guess, 30, 45 minutes

2617
03:27:47,460 --> 03:27:55,340
go of sort of coming to terms. I respect you so much now for what you just did. I'm very impressed

2618
03:27:55,340 --> 03:28:01,860
with that. With that, I'm not, I guess my concern more than anything else is about consistency,

2619
03:28:05,700 --> 03:28:11,560
continuity. This, this council has had four of this community. It's had four village managers. Since

2620
03:28:11,560 --> 03:28:18,680
2020, I personally don't believe that we can afford to have another one to have to go out

2621
03:28:18,680 --> 03:28:24,840
for RFP, whatever you want to call it, and go through the process again, I think you should

2622
03:28:24,840 --> 03:28:29,540
give it a little more time. That's all I have to say. Thanks so much for your the opportunity

2623
03:28:29,540 --> 03:28:34,340
to speak to you guys. Andy, I just want to correct you. We've had two managers, Greg or Vic and

2624
03:28:34,340 --> 03:28:37,060
that is our second since I got elected in 2020.

2625
03:28:38,060 --> 03:28:40,340
Okay, but I believe that, Maria has had to.

2626
03:28:40,340 --> 03:28:41,540
Maria was the intern.

2627
03:28:41,600 --> 03:28:45,760
Pass a yes, so it's past four different times, just so.

2628
03:28:46,240 --> 03:28:47,500
But thanks for your correction, Mayor.

2629
03:28:48,180 --> 03:28:49,480
Who's next, please?

2630
03:28:50,900 --> 03:28:51,140
Right?

2631
03:28:54,380 --> 03:28:58,000
Are you representing yourself or, or is it a chamber?

2632
03:28:59,220 --> 03:29:00,820
So, good evening, Mayor and Council.

2633
03:29:02,320 --> 03:29:04,740
I know I won't need five minutes, so it's okay, yeah.

2634
03:29:04,740 --> 03:29:09,180
So, of course, I want to apologize that I've prepared statements that relate to tab 7,

2635
03:29:09,340 --> 03:29:10,480
which is about the resolution.

2636
03:29:11,340 --> 03:29:15,300
So, obviously, as I talk about it, you know, we're not, we're not on that tab, but you'll

2637
03:29:15,300 --> 03:29:16,400
get the idea.

2638
03:29:16,920 --> 03:29:19,520
My name is Craig McMay, and I reside in Plantation Key.

2639
03:29:19,820 --> 03:29:25,380
I'm here tonight in the capacity of President for the Island Marada Chamber of Commerce Board

2640
03:29:25,380 --> 03:29:26,000
of Directors.

2641
03:29:26,680 --> 03:29:32,260
The Chamber Board Directors met for a special call and meeting on July 5th to discuss the

2642
03:29:32,260 --> 03:29:37,440
The solution before you tonight are proving the non-rail dealable of the village managers contract.

2643
03:29:38,160 --> 03:29:44,580
The resolution states that it is in the best interest of the village not to renew the employment contract with Mr. Gates as a village manager.

2644
03:29:45,380 --> 03:29:47,580
The Chamber Board does not agree with the statement,

2645
03:29:47,960 --> 03:29:51,840
believe it would not be in the best interest of the village to not renew the contract

2646
03:29:51,840 --> 03:29:57,120
and we would encourage each of you to consider the village as a whole while you consider this issue.

2647
03:29:57,740 --> 03:29:59,980
The village needs continuity and stability.

2648
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:13,220
To move us forward, this resolution would not accomplish either of these issues. We would also encourage you to consider the large sum of money that would be spent on yet another search for a village manager and what that process would do to our reputation.

2649
03:30:14,160 --> 03:30:27,680
We do not feel that one year is enough time to learn all the idiosyncrasy of the village. We encourage you to vote against the resolution and to instead give clear direction on the changes you believe that are needed from the manager and time for the changes to take place.

2650
03:30:27,680 --> 03:30:32,340
We implore you to focus on stability and continuity for everyone's sake.

2651
03:30:32,340 --> 03:30:34,660
Thank you all for your time. Thank you all for your service.

2652
03:30:35,140 --> 03:30:40,600
Craig, can you please tell me how many people the board represents that you guys met?

2653
03:30:40,920 --> 03:30:44,740
I mean, I know we've all got phone calls from some of the board members, but

2654
03:30:44,740 --> 03:30:48,880
So we believe we had eight board members on the meeting.

2655
03:30:49,440 --> 03:30:51,460
All right. So I believe it could be, you know, plus or minus one.

2656
03:30:52,020 --> 03:30:55,180
Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Who's next?

2657
03:30:58,410 --> 03:31:03,970
I represent myself, Frank Turfler, live on Gumbo, Limbo, Lane, here in Almorada.

2658
03:31:04,830 --> 03:31:07,390
I'm in a time of my life when I serve on boards.

2659
03:31:07,610 --> 03:31:10,990
I've had seats out about, I counted it up.

2660
03:31:11,130 --> 03:31:14,970
I was sitting there at eight different boards in about the last seven or eight years.

2661
03:31:15,470 --> 03:31:18,210
And there's one thing that always works.

2662
03:31:18,490 --> 03:31:21,450
And that is the board speaks with one voice.

2663
03:31:21,890 --> 03:31:25,390
The board speaks to the manager with one voice.

2664
03:31:26,030 --> 03:31:34,650
That's a philosophy that is probably the only logical way to make it work and folks you aren't doing that.

2665
03:31:35,510 --> 03:31:39,290
And so what I think is that you haven't had a board retreat, apparently.

2666
03:31:40,010 --> 03:31:44,050
You haven't really gone through level setting within the board.

2667
03:31:44,210 --> 03:31:46,150
Level setting is extremely important.

2668
03:31:46,670 --> 03:31:53,050
You haven't done the things you haven't done the homework as a board that you need to do in order to be effective with your executive.

2669
03:31:53,050 --> 03:32:03,490
And so I'm sorry. I love y'all, but I put it on you. You can't really blame the executive for failing when you have not succeeded

2670
03:32:03,490 --> 03:32:08,130
And that's where I'm at. Thank you. Thank you very much

2671
03:32:09,990 --> 03:32:11,250
Who's next?

2672
03:32:15,190 --> 03:32:16,350
Anybody else

2673
03:32:18,460 --> 03:32:21,320
Here or Martin anybody else on zoom

2674
03:32:22,940 --> 03:32:26,700
There are no zoom hands raised. Okay, no zoom. Okay.

2675
03:32:29,240 --> 03:32:29,960
Yeah, good evening

2676
03:32:29,960 --> 03:32:35,900
I had Derek Rodberg, I've been a long time resident of the keys 53 years now.

2677
03:32:36,580 --> 03:32:41,180
There's an expression if it's not logical, it's political, and this is about as political

2678
03:32:41,180 --> 03:32:42,220
as it can get.

2679
03:32:43,440 --> 03:32:49,100
I do note Ted, a couple of different avenues, but he and his wife are all in in this town.

2680
03:32:49,840 --> 03:32:55,280
They are doing everything in their power to make this the best town in America, and I think

2681
03:32:55,280 --> 03:32:59,080
if we give him a chance, he'll do that.

2682
03:32:59,080 --> 03:33:07,220
So please please consider the people of Ilamara when you're making this decision. It's a critical importance

2683
03:33:07,220 --> 03:33:14,440
It really is. That's all I have to say. Okay. Thank you, Dirt. Hey Tony. Can you do me a favor please?

2684
03:33:15,780 --> 03:33:19,260
I'm going to give you this list of emails. Can you read these names off?

2685
03:33:19,900 --> 03:33:21,700
Can you come up to the mic please?

2686
03:33:42,710 --> 03:33:43,810
Let's see

2687
03:33:45,700 --> 03:33:48,040
Tony, if you would please

2688
03:33:51,430 --> 03:33:58,420
I'll read him Tony good John would it be better for me to read him either one. There's nothing illegal about it

2689
03:33:58,870 --> 03:34:00,070
Okay, I don't like Tony dude

2690
03:34:01,250 --> 03:34:02,490
Barnabey rich

2691
03:34:03,830 --> 03:34:08,360
And you Newman Susan Latham

2692
03:34:10,370 --> 03:34:14,730
Random Ace Scott K

2693
03:34:16,940 --> 03:34:18,110
Joel Bishop

2694
03:34:19,360 --> 03:34:21,660
Jack and Jamie Nibalsky

2695
03:34:22,720 --> 03:34:24,400
Lindsay fast

2696
03:34:24,400 --> 03:34:32,020
have happened at Fri Manity. David Habitat Fri Manity, Frank Derfler,

2697
03:34:33,300 --> 03:34:38,440
speaking on his own behalf, Pet Kee, Tony Hammond,

2698
03:34:40,640 --> 03:34:41,480
Derek Wadberg,

2699
03:34:46,480 --> 03:34:47,360
Russell Hubert,

2700
03:34:49,380 --> 03:34:50,040
Carl Abon,

2701
03:34:52,420 --> 03:34:52,980
Ty Harris,

2702
03:34:55,340 --> 03:34:56,000
Brad Ekblum,

2703
03:34:58,180 --> 03:34:58,960
Chris Chantine,

2704
03:35:01,100 --> 03:35:01,660
Mark Greg,

2705
03:35:04,570 --> 03:35:05,290
Joe Roth,

2706
03:35:08,000 --> 03:35:08,800
Deborah Esslinger,

2707
03:35:11,340 --> 03:35:19,910
David Epstein, Andreas Hoffman, Richard Engel, Richard here at the night too.

2708
03:35:20,270 --> 03:35:20,790
Claire Johnson,

2709
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:24,140
Bob and Neil,

2710
03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:33,080
Brett Guy, Roger Young, and Wade and Tina Porter.

2711
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:34,900
Thank you, Tony.

2712
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:37,680
We do not have a hand raise on Zoom.

2713
03:35:46,300 --> 03:35:49,020
Okay, Claire, you're giving permission to speak.

2714
03:35:49,220 --> 03:35:49,580
Go ahead.

2715
03:35:50,560 --> 03:35:58,140
yes thank you very much can you can you hear me yes we're we can hear you okay okay great so thank

2716
03:35:58,140 --> 03:36:04,180
you for giving me this opportunity and thank you council for a thank was job and watching

2717
03:36:04,180 --> 03:36:08,960
the council meeting this past June I was in dispute and I know I'm probably going to repeat

2718
03:36:08,960 --> 03:36:15,340
some things that people have already said I was in disbelief of the topic regarding a village manager's

2719
03:36:15,340 --> 03:36:21,360
decision about a staff member, and taking on the position as a council member, there are times

2720
03:36:21,360 --> 03:36:25,820
you should stand above the crowd and do the right thing. This discussion was not the right

2721
03:36:25,820 --> 03:36:32,360
thing to do. A council member's role is to set policies and not micro-manage. For council

2722
03:36:32,360 --> 03:36:38,240
member to ask the manager to qualify his decision is unprofessional and appropriate and overstepping.

2723
03:36:38,780 --> 03:36:44,320
The professionalism of how Ted answered should speak volumes. Our charter states at certain

2724
03:36:44,320 --> 03:36:48,200
interference with village employees shall constitute malfeasance and office.

2725
03:36:48,700 --> 03:36:53,060
There are always two sides to every story and we, the council in the public are not

2726
03:36:53,060 --> 03:36:57,540
privy to the true nature of an employee's performance or lack of performance.

2727
03:36:59,180 --> 03:37:03,700
I am hopeful that the council will look at the entire picture, even including the effects

2728
03:37:03,700 --> 03:37:08,720
on staff and all potential ripple effects that micro-managing will have.

2729
03:37:09,000 --> 03:37:11,580
The charter is specific with their rules and regulations.

2730
03:37:11,580 --> 03:37:15,660
You might not agree with them, but they should certainly be respected.

2731
03:37:16,200 --> 03:37:18,200
They should very much for allowing me to speak.

2732
03:37:18,540 --> 03:37:19,060
Thank you, Claire.

2733
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:21,080
Monty, do we have anybody else?

2734
03:37:22,020 --> 03:37:23,700
Okay. Roger.

2735
03:37:29,870 --> 03:37:31,630
Roger, your own tide Avenue.

2736
03:37:32,270 --> 03:37:33,870
Now, you've already got my email.

2737
03:37:35,670 --> 03:37:39,490
And I already know that I would prefer Mr. Yates to continue.

2738
03:37:41,610 --> 03:37:42,690
Tonight, I saw something.

2739
03:37:42,770 --> 03:37:43,690
I'm known sharing forever.

2740
03:37:44,330 --> 03:37:51,990
and I really felt what you said tonight, but after seeing all the staff and speaking to many

2741
03:37:51,990 --> 03:37:57,070
staff, many of the staff members that aren't here, probably don't want to show their face

2742
03:37:57,070 --> 03:38:05,190
possibly attribution. I can't say that's a fact, others have families. My question to you would

2743
03:38:05,190 --> 03:38:11,790
be, you said something to the effect of these guys talk to the staff more than you, or they

2744
03:38:11,790 --> 03:38:14,190
talk to you to them more than you.

2745
03:38:14,730 --> 03:38:16,470
My question is, I'm in the building of Pummelod.

2746
03:38:16,490 --> 03:38:17,770
I recognize allow these faces.

2747
03:38:17,770 --> 03:38:19,490
I see a lot of them almost every day.

2748
03:38:20,570 --> 03:38:24,330
Have you ever gone to that, not the third floor, not the third floor?

2749
03:38:25,430 --> 03:38:30,690
Do you ever have you ever gone into the second floor and walked through that place and met

2750
03:38:30,690 --> 03:38:31,390
any of the people?

2751
03:38:32,190 --> 03:38:33,130
Because you'd be really surprised.

2752
03:38:33,230 --> 03:38:39,550
That's more of what's going on than allow the interference you're getting out here in

2753
03:38:39,550 --> 03:38:40,110
his town.

2754
03:38:40,110 --> 03:38:41,590
Because we are definitely divided.

2755
03:38:42,590 --> 03:38:44,950
It started before the election.

2756
03:38:45,430 --> 03:38:48,030
Everybody knows who everybody is and everybody's

2757
03:38:48,030 --> 03:38:49,890
A villain in everybody else's story.

2758
03:38:50,690 --> 03:38:54,230
But I would urge you to go in and meet some of these staff people.

2759
03:38:54,610 --> 03:38:57,270
You might really change your mind on a couple things.

2760
03:38:57,950 --> 03:39:00,310
Or at least find people that you can talk to.

2761
03:39:00,350 --> 03:39:03,130
I'll go in there and ask, hey, why am I not getting this?

2762
03:39:03,310 --> 03:39:03,850
Or why am I here?

2763
03:39:04,150 --> 03:39:05,690
And I usually get a really good explanation.

2764
03:39:06,290 --> 03:39:07,430
I go to Key Largo.

2765
03:39:08,050 --> 03:39:08,370
Marathon?

2766
03:39:08,550 --> 03:39:09,430
I don't get that.

2767
03:39:09,430 --> 03:39:15,190
Some of them are good, I can't say all of them, but here it's a whole different show, and it is running well.

2768
03:39:15,590 --> 03:39:17,050
I don't have an issue with the staff.

2769
03:39:17,330 --> 03:39:23,870
No, no, what I thought you said, maybe I'm misinterpreted, that you thought staff tends to go,

2770
03:39:23,910 --> 03:39:27,570
no, okay, without I read it wrongly that I apologize because I was going to say,

2771
03:39:27,910 --> 03:39:32,150
but you did just say you haven't spent any time with staff, maybe on second floor.

2772
03:39:32,410 --> 03:39:36,290
No, so it might be a few of you to go in there and speak to them.

2773
03:39:36,290 --> 03:39:46,070
Okay, no, you're right. No, I mean, it's not a dialogue time and I I just have to say that I I have trouble with public comment

2774
03:39:47,090 --> 03:39:47,570
questioning

2775
03:39:49,530 --> 03:39:53,670
Someone's truth. That's all. I mean, it's no, no. No. I mean, I just

2776
03:39:53,670 --> 03:39:59,930
This is Raju and that's that's fine. I don't know Miss. I can say don't know you, but to question her truth is really trouble

2777
03:39:59,930 --> 03:40:05,570
Oh, absolutely wasn't question her truth. No, I didn't take it and share knows that. I believe that. No, I'm doing

2778
03:40:05,570 --> 03:40:11,530
we're going I get it and there's a lot of emotion is room and I hate to see it. I hate to

2779
03:40:11,530 --> 03:40:16,730
see it. I'm hoping something can be resolved. Maybe not tonight but at least sooner or later

2780
03:40:16,730 --> 03:40:21,430
and we can just something done. And thank you all for your service. Thank you, Roger.

2781
03:40:23,390 --> 03:40:29,030
And I know Sharon, thanks you too. Of course. Mr. Mayor, there's one speaker we've not heard from.

2782
03:40:29,190 --> 03:40:32,830
Who's that? Ted. Okay. We'll also have a speaker on Zoom now. Okay.

2783
03:40:32,830 --> 03:40:38,170
This go ahead. Who is it just lower their hands? Okay.

2784
03:40:40,050 --> 03:40:45,010
Everybody else in the room want to speak? Okay. And support a Ted? Okay.

2785
03:40:45,190 --> 03:40:54,370
George Perez. What more Greg's suggestion is great. I think that that PIP is a great idea.

2786
03:40:54,550 --> 03:41:02,590
I use it in my business throughout the years. And I'm glad we do because I've been able to keep very good people in the business.

2787
03:41:02,590 --> 03:41:07,950
and you don't know until you give them that opportunity, you know, who's going to be the positive

2788
03:41:07,950 --> 03:41:16,550
ones and who are not. And so it's a great idea. So, you know, this is a great town being

2789
03:41:16,550 --> 03:41:23,370
led by seemingly great people and I just wish hope and implore you guys to try to work together.

2790
03:41:23,470 --> 03:41:29,790
You know, just bring it in, unite, maybe go out and spend social time and stuff and like you

2791
03:41:29,790 --> 03:41:35,830
You know spend some time together and stuff and you never know what comes out of it, but you know, we I think that's a great

2792
03:41:35,830 --> 03:41:43,740
Excuse me great opportunity here and you can guys can make some massive improvements for a for a town again. Thank you George

2793
03:41:44,670 --> 03:41:46,710
Arnie, we have anybody else

2794
03:41:46,710 --> 03:41:50,950
Anybody else in the room want to speak on behalf of Ted

2795
03:41:51,770 --> 03:41:55,550
That's it. All right. Do we have any other public comment right now?

2796
03:41:55,550 --> 03:42:03,070
There's another hand up hold on to this one, so I'll say that with that being said public comment is closed. Ted

2797
03:42:03,070 --> 03:42:03,610
One more.

2798
03:42:08,410 --> 03:42:12,590
John Fernandez. You're been given permission to speak. Go ahead.

2799
03:42:19,110 --> 03:42:19,870
Hey, John

2800
03:42:24,860 --> 03:42:31,170
John Fernandez, you have person to speak. Okay, are you behaving? Yes

2801
03:42:32,990 --> 03:42:38,050
Okay, I've been watching this meeting from the beginning and I've felt a comment first of all

2802
03:42:38,050 --> 03:42:43,950
I don't think we should have made it just a public comment differently than we normally do it.

2803
03:42:44,250 --> 03:42:51,730
And that is, we normally do not ask people to tell us at the beginning of a public comment

2804
03:42:51,730 --> 03:42:57,150
whether they're for or against whatever. I think that's inappropriate. The only time we do that

2805
03:42:57,150 --> 03:43:04,350
is when there is something that the attorney says you need to do in order to raise your hand and so on.

2806
03:43:05,070 --> 03:43:10,930
That was a different thing that we normally do with public common.

2807
03:43:11,750 --> 03:43:17,490
I don't necessarily approve or agree or disagree to let the manager go.

2808
03:43:18,350 --> 03:43:21,450
I do think that if I was the manager,

2809
03:43:22,830 --> 03:43:25,550
and I can see that I have less than three votes,

2810
03:43:26,510 --> 03:43:28,610
I would on my own say, you know what?

2811
03:43:28,690 --> 03:43:30,570
I don't think this is the place I want to stay.

2812
03:43:31,990 --> 03:43:37,810
Because that's just obviously that at some point there's going to be an issue where that

2813
03:43:37,810 --> 03:43:42,110
third vote is going to be gone and then I'm going to be history.

2814
03:43:43,310 --> 03:43:49,110
So I think that the manager should probably think very hard as to whether this is the place

2815
03:43:49,110 --> 03:43:50,070
for him.

2816
03:43:50,330 --> 03:43:56,490
Now, one of the things he mentioned in the past is that before he accepted position, he did

2817
03:43:56,490 --> 03:44:03,910
a lot of research on the village and read the minutes and for previous meetings for a number

2818
03:44:03,910 --> 03:44:10,030
of months and years. And I think it should again an idea how our small community operates.

2819
03:44:11,510 --> 03:44:18,330
As to whether we should keep him or not keep him, it's up to you five people.

2820
03:44:19,230 --> 03:44:24,130
It's up to you. Before this meeting, I didn't talk to any of them. I didn't talk to any one of

2821
03:44:24,130 --> 03:44:31,330
you guys up there, but I already knew in my own mind who were going to be two of the votes

2822
03:44:33,320 --> 03:44:38,600
because I've seen you guys functioning. And I know two individuals there are going to

2823
03:44:38,600 --> 03:44:44,280
be this keep them. I won't say who those individuals are, but I think it's very obvious.

2824
03:44:45,080 --> 03:44:53,880
So the others, I really didn't know how they were going to vote. Again, you know, rehabilitating

2825
03:44:53,880 --> 03:44:59,980
in the video, who's getting paid over $200,000 and thousands of dollars for housing.

2826
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:16,920
And so on, you know, you don't rehabilitate at that point. You, you find the person that is able to function without having to have this extra ordinary training for that on the job, because that's what's basically what you say.

2827
03:45:17,680 --> 03:45:24,900
So, again, I'm sorry that we have gone to this point in our selection of the village manager.

2828
03:45:25,960 --> 03:45:32,460
But at the end of the day, those five individuals are in the podium up there, are the ones who make decisions.

2829
03:45:33,500 --> 03:45:36,640
And they have reasons as to why they're going to make it the way they are.

2830
03:45:37,840 --> 03:45:43,300
And whatever they decide, we should accept that and go from there.

2831
03:45:43,400 --> 03:45:44,640
Thank you very much, folks.

2832
03:45:46,590 --> 03:45:48,910
Morning, everybody else.

2833
03:45:50,420 --> 03:45:52,240
Yep, one hand is one up.

2834
03:45:58,360 --> 03:45:58,580
Okay.

2835
03:45:58,880 --> 03:45:59,900
Susan, go ahead.

2836
03:46:01,640 --> 03:46:02,420
Well, I'm sorry.

2837
03:46:02,500 --> 03:46:04,880
This is Tom Raphael, from Iowa, Marata.

2838
03:46:05,300 --> 03:46:06,060
Can you hear me?

2839
03:46:06,600 --> 03:46:07,060
Yes.

2840
03:46:08,180 --> 03:46:09,240
Okay, great.

2841
03:46:09,900 --> 03:46:11,640
Thanks for the opportunity to speak.

2842
03:46:12,400 --> 03:46:13,720
I was an executive man.

2843
03:46:13,820 --> 03:46:15,980
Well, it was a manager for over three years.

2844
03:46:16,060 --> 03:46:17,140
Different shape sizes.

2845
03:46:17,580 --> 03:46:19,920
Different states, handled many steps.

2846
03:46:20,980 --> 03:46:23,560
In my observation, this is broken.

2847
03:46:23,560 --> 03:46:27,760
And a lot of it is just self-inflicted, gunshot wound.

2848
03:46:28,840 --> 03:46:31,580
There's no rehab at this point.

2849
03:46:32,120 --> 03:46:36,200
You need to start fresh, and it's not personal. This is business.

2850
03:46:36,580 --> 03:46:39,780
But I think you start to, you need to start with a new manager

2851
03:46:39,780 --> 03:46:41,940
that you all agree on.

2852
03:46:42,140 --> 03:46:46,120
And that manager has to have the ability to relate to all of you,

2853
03:46:46,360 --> 03:46:50,320
not just the ones he thinks as the power in this equation.

2854
03:46:51,500 --> 03:46:54,480
It's a big vote, it's never pretty to do it.

2855
03:46:54,620 --> 03:47:00,240
I've done it many times in the past, but you can't re-had everybody, and that particular

2856
03:47:00,240 --> 03:47:05,320
position, you're going to re-have, you should have re-have that for 90 days for four months.

2857
03:47:05,820 --> 03:47:11,000
And as far as seeing people over at the staff, that should be part of your intake procedure.

2858
03:47:11,460 --> 03:47:15,820
The manager should walk you guys over and introduce you to every staff member.

2859
03:47:15,860 --> 03:47:19,080
That should be standard operating procedure.

2860
03:47:19,080 --> 03:47:22,460
You lack too many basics to be functional.

2861
03:47:23,000 --> 03:47:26,620
You've got the power to change it in your elected to manage.

2862
03:47:26,960 --> 03:47:27,760
Soint managing.

2863
03:47:28,600 --> 03:47:31,900
So it's never too late, but you need a new team.

2864
03:47:32,140 --> 03:47:34,740
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

2865
03:47:34,900 --> 03:47:36,000
Martin, okay, go ahead.

2866
03:47:39,210 --> 03:47:40,930
Martin, do you have anybody else on Zoom or not?

2867
03:47:40,930 --> 03:47:41,530
I'm CAC.

2868
03:47:41,770 --> 03:47:45,150
Hello, and I live in a Marauder for own property for 10 years.

2869
03:47:45,930 --> 03:47:49,010
And this is the first council meeting that I have ever attended.

2870
03:47:50,470 --> 03:47:56,110
I must say that I'm kind of, I'm a rural follower and it just even the

2871
03:47:56,110 --> 03:47:59,330
communication here, how you're talking about interviewing people for different

2872
03:47:59,330 --> 03:48:03,270
boards and stuff is all we don't need to interview him because we don't know all about it.

2873
03:48:03,550 --> 03:48:08,290
I came from a big corporation and so one of the things you have to do is in order to evaluate

2874
03:48:08,290 --> 03:48:12,130
people fairly, you have to all be judged by the same set of criteria.

2875
03:48:12,990 --> 03:48:18,370
And if you guys are, everybody's doing their own thing, you're looking for somebody who's

2876
03:48:18,370 --> 03:48:23,630
You're looking for somebody who's five, 10, and you're looking for somebody that doesn't get out of a chair.

2877
03:48:24,010 --> 03:48:27,590
I mean, you're not on the same page and you're not judging by the same things.

2878
03:48:28,310 --> 03:48:31,290
And we all have opportunities to improve.

2879
03:48:32,830 --> 03:48:34,210
And nobody's perfect.

2880
03:48:35,850 --> 03:48:42,270
And again, what is the big deal with a 90-day, a 90-day performance improvement?

2881
03:48:42,790 --> 03:48:47,010
If the person wants to improve and understands, and you guys can communicate effectively,

2882
03:48:47,410 --> 03:48:51,610
as to what needs to change and the dynamics between you all.

2883
03:48:52,470 --> 03:48:56,930
This is a very dysfunctional group and it's really sad,

2884
03:48:57,750 --> 03:48:59,130
because just because you're going to get a new guy

2885
03:48:59,130 --> 03:49:01,550
or how is he going to be any different than the guy you had before.

2886
03:49:02,290 --> 03:49:04,890
I mean, you know, when you hate your job and you want to move on to a new one

2887
03:49:04,890 --> 03:49:08,570
because you hate your boss, guess what? You're the same you at the next place.

2888
03:49:09,250 --> 03:49:13,590
So when you guys bring in a new person, it's going to be the same you

2889
03:49:13,590 --> 03:49:22,650
And anyway, I don't really, I'm, I met Ted this week because he swam, great swimmer and it's really great to see that he's gotten in the community.

2890
03:49:22,690 --> 03:49:26,930
He's a, bought a home. He's involved in the church. He does men's Bible study.

2891
03:49:27,050 --> 03:49:33,470
I mean, he wants to be here. He's not coming in and written and hanging out somewhere else. He's, he's really involved.

2892
03:49:33,630 --> 03:49:38,670
And I just think we need to give him a chance. And we all need to, we all need to be team out in the rota.

2893
03:49:38,810 --> 03:49:42,930
No matter where we've come from. And I don't think we are team out in the rota.

2894
03:49:43,630 --> 03:49:44,910
Thank you.

2895
03:49:48,750 --> 03:49:50,290
I don't want to use anybody else.

2896
03:49:50,650 --> 03:49:51,750
Richard got it.

2897
03:49:56,830 --> 03:49:57,850
My name is Richard England.

2898
03:49:58,490 --> 03:50:00,670
I work for a bank here locally.

2899
03:50:01,810 --> 03:50:05,250
I've been in a Florida in two generations.

2900
03:50:05,490 --> 03:50:07,650
I've been coming down the keys.

2901
03:50:08,110 --> 03:50:09,110
Most of my life.

2902
03:50:09,970 --> 03:50:12,930
I just find it appalling to me

2903
03:50:12,930 --> 03:50:15,910
to a point that

2904
03:50:15,910 --> 03:50:17,930
the five of you

2905
03:50:17,930 --> 03:50:24,650
couldn't agree on what to drink, what to eat, and that's gotten to get correct.

2906
03:50:25,390 --> 03:50:33,050
That's the main issue here. I don't think it's Ted. I think the focus is there. You guys have to

2907
03:50:33,050 --> 03:50:39,630
get a team building effort together, find a common ground and build from there.

2908
03:50:43,410 --> 03:50:44,470
I'm with the

2909
03:50:44,470 --> 03:50:49,650
And that's why I see the dysfunction right now.

2910
03:50:49,930 --> 03:50:52,070
That's what really needs to be corrected.

2911
03:50:54,120 --> 03:50:55,380
Marty, anybody else?

2912
03:51:01,490 --> 03:51:03,870
My name is Angie, and I'm from Almyrata.

2913
03:51:04,650 --> 03:51:08,910
And I think the reason we're here on this subject is because of a contract.

2914
03:51:09,550 --> 03:51:10,970
And that's it.

2915
03:51:12,210 --> 03:51:16,450
Right? The responsibility to vote yesterday.

2916
03:51:18,510 --> 03:51:19,630
Thank you.

2917
03:51:19,630 --> 03:51:24,490
Anybody else marines at it? There was some handrails on zoom. Let me get back to it.

2918
03:51:26,020 --> 03:51:28,440
They still have our handrails. Yes, they do.

2919
03:51:30,320 --> 03:51:35,700
Okay, um, Collar with the last four numbers of three eight six nine. Go ahead.

2920
03:51:38,350 --> 03:51:46,570
Oh, hello, they're, um, I have hired and fired before. It is uncomfortable for everybody.

2921
03:51:47,350 --> 03:51:52,850
This is not that situation. This is a vote, not just for no contract. Please do not renew the contract.

2922
03:51:52,990 --> 03:51:54,430
Thank you.

2923
03:51:54,570 --> 03:51:55,570
Thank you.

2924
03:51:55,870 --> 03:51:56,710
All right, Marty's at it.

2925
03:51:56,870 --> 03:51:58,310
Anybody else?

2926
03:52:00,130 --> 03:52:00,650
On Zoom?

2927
03:52:01,910 --> 03:52:03,990
I don't have anyone with her hand breeze right now.

2928
03:52:04,350 --> 03:52:07,530
So with that being said, if nobody else in here wants to speak,

2929
03:52:07,730 --> 03:52:09,390
public comment is now closed.

2930
03:52:09,990 --> 03:52:13,230
Ted, would you like to speak yourself?

2931
03:52:14,210 --> 03:52:14,510
Yeah.

2932
03:52:14,530 --> 03:52:16,130
I've got to say a few words.

2933
03:52:17,250 --> 03:52:21,170
Thank you to everyone that should have both

2934
03:52:22,170 --> 03:52:28,530
friends in the community, people that I don't know from the community, and my staff, of course.

2935
03:52:29,830 --> 03:52:35,350
I did do a lot of research, this best as I could to prepare for this role.

2936
03:52:37,030 --> 03:52:38,630
It wasn't like this where I came from.

2937
03:52:39,270 --> 03:52:40,550
I knew this was different.

2938
03:52:41,670 --> 03:52:50,650
I had councilmen that disagreed, but they rose above that and they shared a vision and we got worked on.

2939
03:52:51,790 --> 03:52:57,270
It actually functions better when they don't disagree because that's what makes the system work.

2940
03:52:59,390 --> 03:53:00,410
It's been very difficult.

2941
03:53:02,290 --> 03:53:10,530
This particular council is more divided than anyone that this happened and has been seated before.

2942
03:53:11,110 --> 03:53:14,110
The staff sees it, the residents see it.

2943
03:53:14,310 --> 03:53:15,650
I'm living through it.

2944
03:53:16,650 --> 03:53:20,010
Sharing it right, I communicate with everyone of you differently.

2945
03:53:20,010 --> 03:53:24,630
every single one of you because you communicate with me differently.

2946
03:53:26,030 --> 03:53:29,990
We have different dialogues, I mean everything that I send to Henry

2947
03:53:29,990 --> 03:53:33,170
ends up in a newsletter for ICA two days later.

2948
03:53:33,870 --> 03:53:35,950
So I communicate cautiously with your Henry

2949
03:53:35,950 --> 03:53:40,970
because I get taken shots at, I try to communicate and have a productive

2950
03:53:40,970 --> 03:53:43,510
business relationship with Council.

2951
03:53:44,750 --> 03:53:48,350
And there's a level of, I know it's all public record,

2952
03:53:48,350 --> 03:53:53,310
But there's a level of confidentiality that I need to have dialogue with, and sometimes that's

2953
03:53:53,310 --> 03:53:53,870
really challenging.

2954
03:53:54,050 --> 03:53:55,370
So I'm just being honest with you.

2955
03:53:57,970 --> 03:54:03,930
I had challenges building relationships with each council member differently.

2956
03:54:05,070 --> 03:54:08,090
I've had rough roads with every single person sitting up here.

2957
03:54:08,230 --> 03:54:12,410
I mean, there's no one that I can point to and say, we've been good from day one.

2958
03:54:12,490 --> 03:54:13,550
That's not been the case.

2959
03:54:14,010 --> 03:54:16,490
I've known that to be the challenge,

2960
03:54:19,030 --> 03:54:22,530
a lot of people reached out to me and support.

2961
03:54:24,790 --> 03:54:30,230
And I almost have a text that I send back to them that's, I can almost copy, that says,

2962
03:54:31,150 --> 03:54:37,210
I love this town, I want to be part of the future of this town, and I think with more time,

2963
03:54:37,770 --> 03:54:41,070
I can bring council together and bring the community together.

2964
03:54:41,070 --> 03:54:47,710
Those are the words that I've shared with people. I have to bring you guys together. If you're ever going to have

2965
03:54:48,610 --> 03:54:53,430
Any type of productive future here in Alamara, I mean, I've heard people screaming saying

2966
03:54:54,370 --> 03:54:56,470
Look if they get rid of you

2967
03:54:56,470 --> 03:55:00,290
We're going to petition to just to go back to the county. I

2968
03:55:00,290 --> 03:55:02,570
I don't know if I mean if that's what you want

2969
03:55:02,570 --> 03:55:06,710
I will help you go back to the county. I will do whatever you want me to do

2970
03:55:07,890 --> 03:55:11,050
I've never worked in a place that I have not been

2971
03:55:11,070 --> 03:55:17,770
wanted. You know, my previous job I controlled my own destiny, it is different. But you know,

2972
03:55:17,770 --> 03:55:22,810
we've had that conversation that being a strong mayor doing the job that I'm doing is a

2973
03:55:22,810 --> 03:55:30,070
different job than what I do here. I've got five personalities and no matter how you slice it,

2974
03:55:30,070 --> 03:55:36,590
you all have five separate agendas that you want to push. And those agendas don't necessarily overlap.

2975
03:55:36,590 --> 03:55:45,230
So, my job is to try to balance that, use my professional background and expertise, to try to get you where you want to go.

2976
03:55:45,690 --> 03:55:53,770
Sometimes there's pushback when that happens. Sometimes there's embracing when that happens, but it's not a smooth ride.

2977
03:55:53,910 --> 03:56:02,850
And I accept that. I mean, there's things that Elizabeth has tried to share with me that she would like to see done.

2978
03:56:03,410 --> 03:56:07,250
She gets very frustrated because she feels like nothing is happening.

2979
03:56:07,950 --> 03:56:18,310
There's a lot of things I do in the background that is trying to push us toward a consensus building workshop.

2980
03:56:20,290 --> 03:56:26,950
You know, when I was actually really refreshing when I went up to Orlando and spent time with other managers in Florida,

2981
03:56:26,950 --> 03:56:34,210
because, I mean, you guys are no different than any other council out there, we all got into

2982
03:56:34,210 --> 03:56:39,310
a room, there was hundreds of us, and we all vented and talked about different things,

2983
03:56:39,370 --> 03:56:47,030
and it was actually very therapeutic. And we talked about ways to make things happen, and

2984
03:56:47,030 --> 03:56:53,010
to make the communities better. We've talked a lot about strategic planning. I've sent numerous

2985
03:56:53,010 --> 03:56:57,650
most of Council saying that I've been talking with companies behind the scenes that can help bring

2986
03:56:57,650 --> 03:57:05,590
us together to look at different issues as it relates to my role with you guys. Your role with

2987
03:57:05,590 --> 03:57:12,880
as Council members, you know, you're just trying to get everyone on the same page and

2988
03:57:14,090 --> 03:57:19,450
that's all I've ever wanted. I mean, you know, my poor wife Sharon's the first meeting she had to

2989
03:57:19,450 --> 03:57:24,870
to when I, you know, this is not an optimal situation. But for the first time, the other night,

2990
03:57:26,230 --> 03:57:31,810
and as much as I love this place and talked about it, and she loves the weather, she'll tell you

2991
03:57:31,810 --> 03:57:37,070
that, but for the first night sitting at dinner, she looked at me and said, you know, this is our home,

2992
03:57:37,150 --> 03:57:38,330
and I really want to stay here.

2993
03:57:40,630 --> 03:57:44,170
And if you don't share in that, that's a big statement.

2994
03:57:44,170 --> 03:57:49,910
But I've taken this job and this role with that in the background.

2995
03:57:52,010 --> 03:57:56,610
I think it's really important the culture and the morale that we have with our staff.

2996
03:57:58,230 --> 03:58:01,250
And I would never do anything to jeopardize that ever.

2997
03:58:02,010 --> 03:58:06,990
And decisions I've made, Dan is not the only employee I've terminated.

2998
03:58:11,750 --> 03:58:12,430
It's not.

2999
03:58:12,430 --> 03:58:21,130
and they were affecting the effectiveness of their department and we needed to make a change.

3000
03:58:22,470 --> 03:58:26,750
I didn't, I don't make those decisions because Council tells me to make those decisions,

3001
03:58:27,030 --> 03:58:31,690
or I don't make those decisions because there's pressure put on to me by anyone else in this

3002
03:58:31,690 --> 03:58:32,170
community.

3003
03:58:34,250 --> 03:58:40,970
I was a big fan and supporter of Dan and spent a lot of time working with him and getting

3004
03:58:40,970 --> 03:58:47,230
to know him. Just like a employee, I know their families, I know of what they bring their

3005
03:58:47,230 --> 03:58:54,990
dogs to work, I know their dogs, I mean, it's important that they have a healthy home life

3006
03:58:54,990 --> 03:59:00,270
on a healthy work like because we spend more time together as a family than they do at home

3007
03:59:00,270 --> 03:59:05,410
with their husbands and their spouses and their kids. So they've got to have fun, they've

3008
03:59:05,410 --> 03:59:09,790
got to be able to get the work done, and that culture is the most important thing to

3009
03:59:09,790 --> 03:59:15,630
and I've said that from day one. And so it means a lot for all them to be sitting here. They're not

3010
03:59:15,630 --> 03:59:19,830
sitting here because they're scared they're gonna get fired. I mean that's just the silliest and most

3011
03:59:19,830 --> 03:59:26,370
ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's actually insulting. To them and to me. Okay.

3012
03:59:28,670 --> 03:59:29,730
You know it's

3013
03:59:30,550 --> 03:59:36,750
if you guys don't want me here I will move on and I will God will lead me in a direction that

3014
03:59:37,430 --> 03:59:44,590
he wants me to go. I have faith in that and then that is not what I want, but I'll trust him

3015
03:59:44,590 --> 03:59:53,750
and I'll trust where he's gonna leave me and what you know I'll do next. And you know but I want to be here

3016
03:59:54,190 --> 03:59:59,970
you know and I want to make it work and I mean none of us are

3017
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:25,960
Perfect. And I understand the concerns that were brought up, and I am more than happy to try to get us focused on a way that not only can we work better together and communicate together, but I want to get you guys working better together and communicating better together, because it's hard. This is a hard job when there's so much conflict between certain council members.

3018
04:00:25,960 --> 04:00:41,680
It's hard enough by itself, but some of the issues that were brought up here tonight, I think on both sides made a lot of sense, and I think I'm actually happy to have told people this.

3019
04:00:41,920 --> 04:00:46,260
I'm happy that this is actually happening, because we needed this to happen.

3020
04:00:48,540 --> 04:00:58,680
If we had to continue to go on floundering, we needed to have this discussion, the community needed to

3021
04:00:58,680 --> 04:01:02,340
to show that this position matters to them, okay?

3022
04:01:02,480 --> 04:01:04,400
I'm not just someone hidden behind the scenes

3023
04:01:05,080 --> 04:01:07,740
that, you know, counsel directs, I mean,

3024
04:01:07,940 --> 04:01:09,420
I have a presence in the community,

3025
04:01:09,940 --> 04:01:12,460
I'm, you know, it's important.

3026
04:01:12,720 --> 04:01:14,520
I mean, people come up to me in the store

3027
04:01:14,520 --> 04:01:17,560
that I don't even know I've never met and said,

3028
04:01:17,960 --> 04:01:19,900
hey, can one enters myself, you're doing a good job,

3029
04:01:19,980 --> 04:01:23,420
then they walk away, that's like the best day ever

3030
04:01:23,420 --> 04:01:25,540
when that happens, it's like three words,

3031
04:01:25,740 --> 04:01:27,980
and I can walk away, you know,

3032
04:01:27,980 --> 04:01:28,760
there's

3033
04:01:35,260 --> 04:01:39,660
so much beauty and

3034
04:01:41,680 --> 04:02:05,880
community here to be proud of. I mean, guys live in paradise and it's like everyone's got blinders on that we are so blessed to have all of this around us and have the ability to try to shape that for the next 5 or 10 or 15 years or however many years that we're all around here and we spend so much time

3035
04:02:05,880 --> 04:02:15,600
Standing at that podium and putting out newsletters and calling people and talking about negative issues that are just self-serving for personal

3036
04:02:15,600 --> 04:02:21,940
agendas because people have created a podium and created a platform

3037
04:02:21,940 --> 04:02:23,900
You know that

3038
04:02:23,900 --> 04:02:30,340
continues to create division here and I mean we got to get away from that and

3039
04:02:30,340 --> 04:02:34,980
We got it nothing's perfect here whether's development, whether's protecting the environment

3040
04:02:34,980 --> 04:02:41,540
I mean, all of it has to work together in a delicate kind of balance, and we've just got

3041
04:02:41,540 --> 04:02:47,320
to get to that, and there's just way too much effort talking about negative things versus

3042
04:02:47,320 --> 04:02:57,160
focusing on positive things, and it's hard because there are so many people that would

3043
04:02:57,160 --> 04:03:05,340
anything to be able to live work and play in Alamurata. And so I don't know what your

3044
04:03:05,340 --> 04:03:09,920
decision is going to be tonight. I'm going to walk out of here hopefully with some

3045
04:03:09,920 --> 04:03:22,040
direction as to where my future is going to go. But I think the community, because what

3046
04:03:22,040 --> 04:03:29,540
this has shown me the last week is that they're paying attention and you know all the

3047
04:03:29,540 --> 04:03:34,800
stuff that I've tried to do, I mean I bought a house before the contract on a house before

3048
04:03:34,800 --> 04:03:40,680
you even had your election. That's about as risky as it can get, knowing that this whole

3049
04:03:40,680 --> 04:03:45,780
council could have turned over and I would have been probably voted out, you know, two weeks later,

3050
04:03:47,140 --> 04:03:52,020
but it didn't happen that way. And I still think that you guys can find a way to work together

3051
04:03:52,680 --> 04:04:08,090
productively. I hope that we find a way to work the other productively. I don't know that I can say anything else. Thanks.

3052
04:04:09,130 --> 04:04:11,810
Well, did I want to say amen to what you just said?

3053
04:04:20,010 --> 04:04:23,010
Because none of us are perfect. None of us sitting up here are perfect.

3054
04:04:23,010 --> 04:04:30,390
We all have faults. We all have strengths. We all have weaknesses. If we could just get our strengths together and work together

3055
04:04:32,050 --> 04:04:33,590
Things could be different

3056
04:04:34,430 --> 04:04:36,570
So all right, so council

3057
04:04:38,390 --> 04:04:40,020
Let's we're we going from here

3058
04:04:41,430 --> 04:04:43,310
I wouldn't mind a break

3059
04:04:43,310 --> 04:04:45,250
Okay, thank you

3060
04:04:46,310 --> 04:04:48,290
So let's take a

3061
04:04:49,470 --> 04:04:50,670
7 minute break

3062
04:27:43,060 --> 04:27:49,080
Meeting back to order, and money, we need to extend. Do I hear a second?

3063
04:27:49,280 --> 04:27:53,380
May I have to extend for half an hour? Half an hour? Okay.

3064
04:27:53,900 --> 04:27:56,420
Mr. May, I don't know that we concluded the last item.

3065
04:27:57,380 --> 04:27:57,400
Okay.

3066
04:28:01,480 --> 04:28:05,400
Is your intention to continue that item or revisit it when we get to tab seven?

3067
04:28:05,480 --> 04:28:08,460
I know there are a lot of people here for other discussion items.

3068
04:28:08,720 --> 04:28:14,520
I'll be brief. I intend to make a motion. If you think it's appropriate now, I'll do it.

3069
04:28:14,520 --> 04:28:17,680
if you'd rather have more discussion, I'll wait, you're, you're, you're, you're

3070
04:28:17,680 --> 04:28:18,100
call.

3071
04:28:19,120 --> 04:28:19,840
Want to be respectful.

3072
04:28:24,420 --> 04:28:25,760
What, what, what was the discussion?

3073
04:28:26,700 --> 04:28:26,960
What, what?

3074
04:28:27,100 --> 04:28:28,480
If there's another discussion.

3075
04:28:28,880 --> 04:28:31,620
I'm just, I don't want to cut anybody off as what I'm saying.

3076
04:28:31,640 --> 04:28:33,520
If you want to talk about this some more, we can.

3077
04:28:33,600 --> 04:28:35,380
Otherwise, I intend to make a motion.

3078
04:28:40,720 --> 04:28:42,680
Well, are you okay with a motion?

3079
04:28:44,060 --> 04:28:46,100
If you want to say something, say it?

3080
04:28:50,130 --> 04:28:50,750
I think.

3081
04:28:56,960 --> 04:28:57,980
We've got to go through the.

3082
04:28:58,060 --> 04:29:00,680
Are you, are you, are you, is it a motion that?

3083
04:29:00,700 --> 04:29:02,180
Waiting for consensus?

3084
04:29:03,220 --> 04:29:08,080
I would like to make a motion, however, if someone would like to have for the discussion,

3085
04:29:08,360 --> 04:29:09,340
I could wait for that.

3086
04:29:10,180 --> 04:29:11,920
That's absolutely top of that.

3087
04:29:12,320 --> 04:29:13,480
Well, maybe we do.

3088
04:29:13,640 --> 04:29:14,300
Maybe we don't.

3089
04:29:14,660 --> 04:29:14,880
Let's see.

3090
04:29:15,780 --> 04:29:27,300
So my motion is that we table tab 7, and that we agree to retain John's firm and Alison to assist us

3091
04:29:27,300 --> 04:29:42,540
with the performance improvement program, number one, and number two to help us with a program to get to know each other better, you know, as council members to help us to work together.

3092
04:29:43,260 --> 04:29:51,700
I'm struggling to come up with the name of what that's called, but a consultant to help us sort out some of our differences a little further.

3093
04:29:51,700 --> 04:29:59,040
I think we made a great start tonight, but that would be my motion and that we

3094
04:30:01,010 --> 04:30:11,790
As I said, I think I said to table tab 7, I'm not saying to, we can revisit that after the PIP program, if that goes through. So that is my motion.

3095
04:30:13,450 --> 04:30:16,710
Did you stay to, sorry, it was a little long-winded.

3096
04:30:16,790 --> 04:30:17,310
It was.

3097
04:30:18,470 --> 04:30:20,110
I've been told that.

3098
04:30:20,990 --> 04:30:28,190
My motion would be to table tab 7, and instead, we would engage the Weissere

3099
04:30:28,190 --> 04:30:35,790
law firm to assist us in developing a PIP program for us to work with Ted on, that can

3100
04:30:35,790 --> 04:30:38,790
be, as we decide, 30, 60, 90 days.

3101
04:30:38,790 --> 04:30:53,350
And then to also assist us if we want to have a group retreat where we have a facilitator or a counselor to assist us in team building.

3102
04:30:53,630 --> 04:30:58,890
Thank you for that to improve our team building skills.

3103
04:30:59,810 --> 04:31:01,450
That is the end of my motion.

3104
04:31:04,240 --> 04:31:06,940
I think it's too broad. I think we need to...

3105
04:31:06,940 --> 04:31:11,000
Well, they're wait, I'm sorry, there has to be a second before we have discussion. Oh, never mind

3106
04:31:11,840 --> 04:31:13,740
Let me just step in there

3107
04:31:15,160 --> 04:31:15,960
That's okay

3108
04:31:17,300 --> 04:31:23,160
You can second for discussion purposes although you would have to have a vote on it, but you you can second for discussion purposes

3109
04:31:23,800 --> 04:31:29,020
So is that what I'm doing? I'm confused in order to just go could you explain that further?

3110
04:31:29,300 --> 04:31:34,760
Yeah, so I mean, I'm just saying you you can second it even if you don't if you supported or don't support it

3111
04:31:34,760 --> 04:31:39,660
And you can have a discussion to ask them to amend it in a way you might want to.

3112
04:31:39,760 --> 04:31:42,200
I mean, ultimately, there would have to be a vote because there is a second.

3113
04:31:42,880 --> 04:31:46,760
But I just, I don't want people to think just because you second emotion because I've heard

3114
04:31:46,760 --> 04:31:49,220
it a couple of times where they said, you know, I don't necessarily support I don't want

3115
04:31:49,220 --> 04:31:49,920
to second it.

3116
04:31:50,060 --> 04:31:53,100
Just because you second doesn't mean you need to vote in favor of the motion.

3117
04:31:53,760 --> 04:31:53,920
Okay.

3118
04:31:54,080 --> 04:31:56,400
So second for discussion, then I guess.

3119
04:31:57,040 --> 04:31:57,920
How would you like to?

3120
04:31:58,120 --> 04:32:00,240
No, I'm not going to go on with this.

3121
04:32:00,320 --> 04:32:02,560
We're going to move together stuff.

3122
04:32:02,560 --> 04:32:08,020
And then, but I don't like how broad your scope is on stuff.

3123
04:32:08,320 --> 04:32:11,100
If the PIP and all that stuff is going to happen,

3124
04:32:12,220 --> 04:32:16,880
we have to have tighter parameters and set rules and think,

3125
04:32:17,680 --> 04:32:18,600
what would you prefer?

3126
04:32:18,740 --> 04:32:21,180
I prefer to just move on right now.

3127
04:32:21,580 --> 04:32:24,280
I'm tired of the money and grown in and in the audience.

3128
04:32:24,940 --> 04:32:27,600
Can we just take care of other stuff all week?

3129
04:32:33,400 --> 04:32:33,840
Well,

3130
04:32:36,120 --> 04:32:40,320
I'd like to hear what I mean. We spent the time. We've had all this time with public comment.

3131
04:32:41,820 --> 04:32:45,280
Here. Okay. Yeah. We've had all this time with public comment.

3132
04:32:46,200 --> 04:32:50,800
And we let Ted speak. Why can't we just deal with it right now?

3133
04:32:52,000 --> 04:32:54,000
What are we going to do in Tab 7 that we have?

3134
04:32:54,000 --> 04:32:55,520
I would just answer that question.

3135
04:32:55,680 --> 04:32:58,540
The reason is that you change the agenda.

3136
04:32:59,320 --> 04:33:02,800
So you have turned up the agenda upside down.

3137
04:33:02,880 --> 04:33:04,900
I mean, let's be fair about what's happening here.

3138
04:33:05,060 --> 04:33:05,680
We're, we're.

3139
04:33:10,040 --> 04:33:10,440
So.

3140
04:33:11,800 --> 04:33:12,360
Henry.

3141
04:33:14,240 --> 04:33:14,860
What's your opinion?

3142
04:33:15,460 --> 04:33:16,740
We need to do something.

3143
04:33:18,660 --> 04:33:19,220
I opinion.

3144
04:33:20,760 --> 04:33:22,760
I want your honest opinion, Henry.

3145
04:33:23,360 --> 04:33:26,020
You left the upstage me in the past.

3146
04:33:26,020 --> 04:33:29,380
I can't let you do it now, you know,

3147
04:33:31,440 --> 04:33:34,440
I'm not going to agree with what you're in motion.

3148
04:33:35,160 --> 04:33:37,120
I'm not going to agree with you.

3149
04:33:37,300 --> 04:33:38,560
He's got his mic, honestly.

3150
04:33:39,120 --> 04:33:42,460
I'm not in agreement with the motion, thank you.

3151
04:33:44,950 --> 04:33:51,510
I think it would be more respectful to bring this motion back to when we have the discussion,

3152
04:33:51,730 --> 04:33:52,790
which was on the agenda.

3153
04:33:53,730 --> 04:34:00,030
Okay. Well, I thought that this was a substitution for that, but if you think otherwise, I'll

3154
04:34:00,030 --> 04:34:08,330
respect your analysis of that. We can do it.

3155
04:34:08,350 --> 04:34:15,210
You're pulling me. I don't. Well, I don't really want a force of vote that's going to be,

3156
04:34:15,750 --> 04:34:19,690
you know, what I want a five-o vote. That's what I want. And if I'm not going to get it,

3157
04:34:19,690 --> 04:34:22,330
Let's just wait and we'll try again in a little while.

3158
04:34:22,390 --> 04:34:23,170
Can I say anything?

3159
04:34:23,170 --> 04:34:26,030
And would you be quiet so we can please quiet?

3160
04:34:26,750 --> 04:34:28,070
So I can hear what's going on.

3161
04:34:28,190 --> 04:34:29,170
It's hard enough to hear.

3162
04:34:29,830 --> 04:34:32,730
So we don't need something from the peanut gallery.

3163
04:34:33,490 --> 04:34:37,570
I'm in here in voices, and we're trying to hear each other.

3164
04:34:38,070 --> 04:34:38,630
Thank you.

3165
04:34:41,510 --> 04:34:44,150
I think at a respect for your fellow councilment,

3166
04:34:44,270 --> 04:34:48,690
it would be smart to pull your motion.

3167
04:34:48,690 --> 04:34:55,330
And in the meantime, I think it would be very wise for us to think about our own roles in

3168
04:34:55,330 --> 04:35:00,730
the dysfunction that's happening right now, and the dysfunction that I'm just personally,

3169
04:35:02,210 --> 04:35:03,630
I don't want to do a team building.

3170
04:35:06,330 --> 04:35:12,910
This group needs more than team building, and there might be solutions for that, that should

3171
04:35:12,910 --> 04:35:15,370
happen whether Ted's days or goes.

3172
04:35:15,990 --> 04:35:19,710
This group needs, I think, someone commented about it in the audience.

3173
04:35:20,610 --> 04:35:26,550
This group needs something, this group could benefit from a PIP as well.

3174
04:35:27,350 --> 04:35:31,910
But thank you for considering pulling your, pulling the motion,

3175
04:35:32,210 --> 04:35:33,910
out of respect for your fellow councilman.

3176
04:35:36,770 --> 04:35:38,850
I didn't say I was going to pull it.

3177
04:35:38,850 --> 04:35:39,570
I think considering.

3178
04:35:42,310 --> 04:35:47,850
But, the PIP is not for us. The PIP is for Ted. I hope you.

3179
04:35:48,150 --> 04:35:53,090
I'm clear on that. And thank you for the opportunity to discuss this, but because it's extremely important.

3180
04:35:54,650 --> 04:35:58,570
If we all can sit here and say that we're not part of the problem,

3181
04:35:59,550 --> 04:36:05,950
I think that we need to do a little soul searching. Because we, at this council and past councils,

3182
04:36:05,950 --> 04:36:12,590
have been a major part of the issues that we have consistently had with our manager.

3183
04:36:14,610 --> 04:36:23,930
And while it may not be traditional to install a PIP in a board like this, I think there's

3184
04:36:23,930 --> 04:36:30,290
another name for it, it's not coming to me, it would be who this group to think about that.

3185
04:36:30,290 --> 04:36:36,670
I mean, we make mistakes, and could use a lot of improvement as an organization.

3186
04:36:37,010 --> 04:36:43,310
That's beyond let's go drink beer in the bar, you know, as a team building exercise.

3187
04:36:43,390 --> 04:36:48,410
We have, we have made a lot of mistakes, and I thought I thought I was clear that by

3188
04:36:48,410 --> 04:36:52,990
suggesting that we have some sort of a team building or whatever label you want to put

3189
04:36:52,990 --> 04:37:00,130
on that event together implies we need improvement, and I'm admitting that we're dysfunctional.

3190
04:37:00,130 --> 04:37:04,630
What I'm very concerned about is that whatever personal and

3191
04:37:04,630 --> 04:37:10,830
atrocities there might be here, that it will result in Ted's suffering for that,

3192
04:37:11,390 --> 04:37:14,090
Ted isn't the all of the problem.

3193
04:37:14,690 --> 04:37:18,510
We are a big part of that, and Ted should not be punished for that.

3194
04:37:19,510 --> 04:37:23,650
So if we part of the thing is, we have to first identify the problem.

3195
04:37:23,750 --> 04:37:28,190
And I think we've done a pretty good job of at least getting stuff to come to the surface

3196
04:37:28,190 --> 04:37:29,450
where we can talk about it.

3197
04:37:29,450 --> 04:37:34,610
never done that before. And so if we did have a session where we could get together and talk about it,

3198
04:37:34,710 --> 04:37:39,770
that is, by the way, a public meeting, and it does have a record of just like this. And if I remember

3199
04:37:39,770 --> 04:37:45,030
the last one we had, Van Keating had attended that one. It was 20 years ago. So we could still do that.

3200
04:37:46,030 --> 04:37:53,990
But I'm trying to come up with a comprehensive proposal to address two things. Our dysfunction

3201
04:37:53,990 --> 04:38:01,590
and your issues with TED. And we can do that simultaneously and move forward. I hope for the

3202
04:38:01,590 --> 04:38:06,270
best interest of everyone. But if you're not interested in that, that's your decision.

3203
04:38:07,130 --> 04:38:14,930
And I certainly respect the path you're going down. And I think that if I need to say this in terms,

3204
04:38:15,070 --> 04:38:22,830
I mean, it's clear that I'm not making my point. The issues that I have brought forth to TED are

3205
04:38:22,830 --> 04:38:27,570
personal, they're professional. I think I hope that that's what we are all here

3206
04:38:27,570 --> 04:38:30,570
today doing. We're acting in a professional capacity.

3207
04:38:32,650 --> 04:38:35,330
And when I discuss the fact that

3208
04:38:35,330 --> 04:38:44,110
this group means protocols, procedures, we need restrictions on the activity that we

3209
04:38:44,110 --> 04:38:50,150
are actions, as we deal with our manager, our staff. I mean, you know, let's be honest,

3210
04:38:50,150 --> 04:38:56,870
the amount of input that Mr. Yates gets on a daily basis.

3211
04:38:57,530 --> 04:39:04,030
This group could do with some severe restructuring.

3212
04:39:05,330 --> 04:39:12,490
And I think that would be very hard for us to live up to, actually,

3213
04:39:13,330 --> 04:39:19,330
if we were subjected to a series of rules and regulations and procedures and protocols.

3214
04:39:19,330 --> 04:39:24,530
be very hard and be a different way of doing business. And I will say that I think that

3215
04:39:24,530 --> 04:39:32,650
the different way of doing business is what we have been asked by us to do by the people

3216
04:39:32,650 --> 04:39:36,670
who elected us. We're being asked to do something different because look at this group.

3217
04:39:38,250 --> 04:39:44,530
But listen, I will say, I've been to many since I got elected in 2020. I've been to many

3218
04:39:44,530 --> 04:39:50,110
the city's meetings, many League of Florida League of Mayors meetings where this is stuff

3219
04:39:50,110 --> 04:39:58,070
like this is talked about and you're putting groups and you're doing stuff but I will say

3220
04:39:58,070 --> 04:40:04,110
I think one thing and this happens not only here, this happens all over to state of Florida

3221
04:40:04,110 --> 04:40:10,150
I mean I've talked like Ted was saying he was talking I've been in groups with with with Mayors

3222
04:40:10,150 --> 04:40:14,950
that have the same problem that we're going through, but I'll tell you a big problem is a

3223
04:40:14,950 --> 04:40:23,210
administrative interference where council people interfere with the managers and staff

3224
04:40:23,750 --> 04:40:30,470
that go go to staff, department heads and want to try to get their own agendas.

3225
04:40:31,250 --> 04:40:37,290
You're absolutely right. 100%. I don't know if you have experience with that in this, but yes,

3226
04:40:37,290 --> 04:40:41,830
that is a problem. We have that happening here among us.

3227
04:40:42,110 --> 04:40:48,650
Yeah. Yeah. And Mr. Orvick, let me tell you something, Mr. Orvick pointed it out. Okay,

3228
04:40:50,410 --> 04:40:56,870
about and and and Ted, you know, technically, if we're going to do something, we should

3229
04:40:56,870 --> 04:41:02,550
go to Ted and Ted's got to give us permission to go to that department head or he's going

3230
04:41:02,550 --> 04:41:06,450
to go in there with us or Mr. Quicks going to go in there with us.

3231
04:41:07,860 --> 04:41:13,100
So anyways, with that being said, let's mark and ask Sharon a question. Sure.

3232
04:41:13,100 --> 04:41:18,120
Sharon, you know, you seconded my motion for discussion and I heard what you said,

3233
04:41:18,320 --> 04:41:20,800
but I've be candid. I wasn't clear.

3234
04:41:21,420 --> 04:41:23,080
I mean, you said you just wanted to move on,

3235
04:41:23,960 --> 04:41:26,760
but and you said that you thought my motion was too broad.

3236
04:41:27,080 --> 04:41:31,700
So would there be something that might we could talk about or you would propose to now

3237
04:41:31,700 --> 04:41:35,420
with it might be interesting to either Henry or Elizabeth?

3238
04:41:35,420 --> 04:41:36,420
I

3239
04:41:38,430 --> 04:41:43,630
don't understand how the PIP thing works, I agree with Elizabeth, I think we should have

3240
04:41:43,630 --> 04:41:45,870
rules, regulations, and we don't.

3241
04:41:46,130 --> 04:41:49,670
Everybody's done what they wanted to do, and that is a big problem.

3242
04:41:50,770 --> 04:41:54,490
And that's true, but I think that's a separate issue from Ted's contract.

3243
04:41:54,770 --> 04:41:56,930
No, actually, that's my point.

3244
04:41:57,290 --> 04:41:58,190
It is not.

3245
04:41:58,470 --> 04:42:06,210
It is one in the same, because the dysfunction that happens here directly affects the poor guy

3246
04:42:06,210 --> 04:42:09,470
who has to manage this town and this group of people.

3247
04:42:09,990 --> 04:42:13,030
Because if we, yeah, we have to get there first.

3248
04:42:13,450 --> 04:42:20,030
Well, so let's talk about the fact that this group has problems.

3249
04:42:20,490 --> 04:42:21,030
It's one of the same.

3250
04:42:21,470 --> 04:42:22,890
We keep going.

3251
04:42:23,270 --> 04:42:26,210
Mark, I think we just got a John, can we just move ahead?

3252
04:42:26,650 --> 04:42:27,710
I'll withdraw my motion.

3253
04:42:27,890 --> 04:42:29,770
I don't want to, you know, press thing.

3254
04:42:30,010 --> 04:42:34,370
If you want to go on with this later on at Tap 7, we have other business.

3255
04:42:35,210 --> 04:42:35,270
All right.

3256
04:42:35,270 --> 04:42:44,690
Yeah, because when we get to Tab 7, I want to bring something up about Tab 7 as well, the way it was put together, okay, I will bring something up about that.

3257
04:42:45,490 --> 04:42:54,110
Okay, so let's move on then to Village Attorney, Village Manager, Communications.

3258
04:42:54,730 --> 04:43:00,410
So, Ted, the first thing is the update on the charitable contribution applications.

3259
04:43:00,410 --> 04:43:14,510
Yeah, I'll try to be brief with all these, so I sent out a spreadsheet to Council, we had 16 applicants that have asked for some level of funding from Council as a charitable contribution.

3260
04:43:15,110 --> 04:43:22,850
We have got to collectively talk about what that next process, the next steps in that process is going to look like.

3261
04:43:24,330 --> 04:43:29,950
There was a huge book that was prepared if we put all the applications together, we have

3262
04:43:29,950 --> 04:43:33,350
it available for you to look at, we tried to summarize what we thought were the important

3263
04:43:33,350 --> 04:43:37,150
issues that you wanted to see in front of you.

3264
04:43:38,050 --> 04:43:43,530
To move forward, we're going to have to have some probably some analysis, but council behind

3265
04:43:43,530 --> 04:43:50,910
the scenes and then also some public discussion on how you want to, your budget is $125,000.

3266
04:43:50,910 --> 04:43:55,970
So you can spend all of that, you can spend part of that, you can divide it up in any way that you want.

3267
04:43:56,230 --> 04:44:05,090
So we need to kind of work and hopefully send some emails back and forth and try to figure out if we want to get that on the next agenda or how you want to move forward.

3268
04:44:06,250 --> 04:44:12,910
But, you know, we started this because in the past there wasn't a very structured way that the contributions were being handed out.

3269
04:44:13,070 --> 04:44:15,310
We've now got an application process and a timeline.

3270
04:44:15,310 --> 04:44:22,810
So, now we need to finish up the last couple steps in terms of selection and then resolutions to award it.

3271
04:44:23,270 --> 04:44:28,990
So, that's all I can send emails and we can communicate and the next one dead be the update.

3272
04:44:29,250 --> 04:44:33,850
So, the fills, this is something I sent an email about and we can enter to go.

3273
04:44:34,330 --> 04:44:40,490
I had a meeting with the DEP, so we've got, of course, we have two leases, one with F.1 with DEP.

3274
04:44:41,270 --> 04:44:45,630
DEP controls a small portion of land near where the ramp is.

3275
04:44:46,410 --> 04:44:55,090
I wanted to meet with DEP because there's not been much communication with DEP in terms of their objectives and goals as it relates to the land that they control.

3276
04:44:56,270 --> 04:44:58,730
And out of that meeting, there was fire representatives.

3277
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:20,080
So, DEP manages all of our park systems. Their biggest concern is that when I shared with them that there would be no parking throughout the whole entire feels and no access by the public, their concern is that they actively manage, like the body, they actually manage and Indian key, and they want the public to have access to those parks.

3278
04:45:20,080 --> 04:45:23,520
And the fact that the trail itself is a historic park.

3279
04:45:24,220 --> 04:45:30,520
So they shared that they would like us to consider having at a minimum.

3280
04:45:30,820 --> 04:45:36,740
They're not going to push an actual boat ramp, but at a minimum a kayak launch in parking spaces.

3281
04:45:37,040 --> 04:45:41,520
So there can be access to Ligman-Voddi in the name key.

3282
04:45:42,420 --> 04:45:49,240
They don't control the land across the street, but they would love to see access in parking on both sides.

3283
04:45:49,240 --> 04:45:51,440
so that people don't have to go through the channel.

3284
04:45:52,000 --> 04:45:54,020
So I'm just sharing that message with you,

3285
04:45:54,060 --> 04:45:55,140
that's part of their vision,

3286
04:45:55,360 --> 04:45:58,940
part of their organization's agencies.

3287
04:46:00,260 --> 04:46:01,080
That's what they do.

3288
04:46:01,220 --> 04:46:05,760
They manage parks and they promote connection to those parks

3289
04:46:05,760 --> 04:46:07,720
as well as access to those parks.

3290
04:46:08,400 --> 04:46:10,720
So this is something that we need to have a discussion about

3291
04:46:10,720 --> 04:46:16,160
because I've got CPH engaged to update all of the prints

3292
04:46:16,160 --> 04:46:18,980
and do a survey so that we can formally

3293
04:46:18,980 --> 04:46:24,340
present this to ODOT so we can continue to move forward. But we need to make a decision on the

3294
04:46:24,860 --> 04:46:33,480
DEP portion of the land. So given tonight's full agenda, probably can move it to the next meeting

3295
04:46:33,480 --> 04:46:36,660
and hopefully get some direction from Council. Can we move to C?

3296
04:46:37,580 --> 04:46:43,500
C is something that I probably don't really need to talk about this. These are, I just wanted

3297
04:46:43,500 --> 04:46:47,920
to make Council aware that we have our consultant working on complement amendments behind the

3298
04:46:47,920 --> 04:46:57,580
is going to present it to the LPA. They deal with, this is an agreement, a settlement agreement

3299
04:46:57,580 --> 04:47:05,040
that was between Monroe County, Key West, Key Colony, Layton, Marathon, where there was

3300
04:47:05,040 --> 04:47:11,160
excess allocations out of Key West, and there was an affordable housing project where allocations

3301
04:47:11,160 --> 04:47:23,820
for being pushed to as a result of that in 2017, we were allocated 10.25 BPAS allocations, and

3302
04:47:23,820 --> 04:47:27,740
we never did a complement amendment to actually use those.

3303
04:47:27,820 --> 04:47:29,140
So they were never part of our poll.

3304
04:47:29,900 --> 04:47:34,860
So we are working to be able to pull those into our poll, which will create potentially depending

3305
04:47:34,860 --> 04:47:39,660
on account so it does two more quarters of distributions for market rate BPAS.

3306
04:47:39,660 --> 04:47:45,560
The 300 affordable is also being worked on as a content amendment.

3307
04:47:47,300 --> 04:47:56,820
Tentably we've scheduled those as a 10-year plan with 30 allocations going out per year with the ability to borrow forward if we had a large project.

3308
04:47:57,520 --> 04:48:02,840
So a very simple council can change that once we get it through LPA and it gets in front of you.

3309
04:48:02,840 --> 04:48:17,720
And then the last is, as a byproduct of the affordable units, there is a calculation and a formula that allocates non-residential bypass to the tune of a little over 71,000 square feet.

3310
04:48:17,960 --> 04:48:21,760
Again, the initial direction was to have that over 10 year period.

3311
04:48:21,780 --> 04:48:25,880
It's 7,100 square feet coming out per year again.

3312
04:48:25,880 --> 04:48:27,900
You can bar forward, depending on project.

3313
04:48:27,900 --> 04:48:31,460
So I just want to make council aware that that's happening behind the scenes.

3314
04:48:31,640 --> 04:48:33,620
It's going to come to LPA and then we'll come to you guys.

3315
04:48:34,240 --> 04:48:35,540
I don't want to comment.

3316
04:48:36,500 --> 04:48:38,800
I have to go back to the DEP, Ted.

3317
04:48:45,340 --> 04:48:58,420
I'm inclined to disagree with your DEP, we said no parking, you're a sector, etc., there were

3318
04:48:58,420 --> 04:49:07,700
of us said no parking and now we're going with the DEP. I'm prepared to say to the DEP

3319
04:49:07,700 --> 04:49:16,200
see you later. We've already passed it and that's that. I don't understand why we have to

3320
04:49:16,200 --> 04:49:23,220
put things off and off and off. I just don't understand that.

3321
04:49:23,220 --> 04:49:33,140
My understanding Henry was we dealt with F dot with the fills right okay DEP is a separate parcel of property owned by DEP

3322
04:49:33,140 --> 04:49:40,360
No, I understand it. So are we going to tell them to just to keep their property and they can do what they want if that's what they take

3323
04:49:40,360 --> 04:49:42,480
Yes, I'll tell them that

3324
04:49:42,480 --> 04:49:48,680
Well, it's got to be consensus of counsel. We okay, but we did I thought we did have we did it once

3325
04:49:48,680 --> 04:49:50,920
I'm quite certain we had this conversation.

3326
04:49:51,620 --> 04:49:52,620
We all voted on it.

3327
04:49:52,760 --> 04:49:54,340
Remember we all said no parking.

3328
04:49:54,740 --> 04:49:55,380
No parking.

3329
04:49:55,380 --> 04:49:55,860
Okay.

3330
04:49:56,300 --> 04:49:57,260
We said what does that mean?

3331
04:49:57,280 --> 04:50:00,120
We did say no parking, but that was for F dot.

3332
04:50:00,220 --> 04:50:03,260
That was not for DEP for operas.

3333
04:50:03,280 --> 04:50:05,440
This is the first meeting we've had with DEP.

3334
04:50:05,740 --> 04:50:08,660
We've been going through F dot for all of our communications.

3335
04:50:09,320 --> 04:50:12,360
F dot is clear, it's a road to F dot.

3336
04:50:12,500 --> 04:50:15,780
If we want to shut down parking in access, we can shut it down.

3337
04:50:16,040 --> 04:50:18,160
DEP controls a portion of that land.

3338
04:50:18,160 --> 04:50:21,520
we've this the first meeting we've had with dp I shared at the at the

3339
04:50:21,520 --> 04:50:27,080
fills meeting that we were going to have to follow meetings with dp dp

3340
04:50:27,080 --> 04:50:33,760
looks at access to their parks differently than the way f dot looks at the

3341
04:50:33,760 --> 04:50:37,860
fills I'm happy to go back until dp

3342
04:50:37,860 --> 04:50:42,680
counsel doesn't want to do anything on dp property now they have influence they

3343
04:50:42,680 --> 04:50:46,000
can talk to f dot they can do they can take the least they can cancel the

3344
04:50:46,000 --> 04:50:51,040
and they could build, you know, a boat ramp and three kayak launches if they want to.

3345
04:50:52,160 --> 04:50:53,860
So, council just needs to take that and consider it.

3346
04:50:54,180 --> 04:50:56,100
WC, there's two entities.

3347
04:50:56,180 --> 04:50:58,920
There's FWC, and there's DEP.

3348
04:50:58,980 --> 04:51:02,460
I understand that they were invited and didn't show up.

3349
04:51:02,920 --> 04:51:06,980
Okay, but Henry, if they decide that they want to just take their property back and build the ramp,

3350
04:51:07,060 --> 04:51:08,600
there's nothing we can do there.

3351
04:51:08,840 --> 04:51:10,640
I'm just going to have to provide parking.

3352
04:51:12,260 --> 04:51:13,640
They can provide all the parking.

3353
04:51:13,800 --> 04:51:14,840
They had parking before.

3354
04:51:14,840 --> 04:51:18,760
they can provide all the parking they want to provide so it's it would be up to them but

3355
04:51:18,760 --> 04:51:24,860
I I can again I understand where council's coming from I I didn't come here tonight to create

3356
04:51:24,860 --> 04:51:31,380
an adversarial relationship with DEP I'm just sharing you with you what DEP has shared with me

3357
04:51:31,380 --> 04:51:37,800
as it relates to their desire to have some public access to their park systems that is it you correct me

3358
04:51:37,800 --> 04:51:43,680
Ted and I don't know maybe junior owners about it but I believe DEP does control that

3359
04:51:43,680 --> 04:51:46,520
Do they control the Heritage Trailer Dis-F. Dot?

3360
04:51:46,880 --> 04:51:48,540
The Heritage Trail is a declared park.

3361
04:51:49,580 --> 04:51:56,800
I don't know how to define control, but it is a registered park with in the park system that

3362
04:51:56,800 --> 04:51:58,560
DEP manages, okay?

3363
04:51:58,740 --> 04:52:01,760
So are you just to get some clarity?

3364
04:52:02,220 --> 04:52:11,440
Are you asking us to bring to have another, will this come this DEP issue come back on as an agenda item?

3365
04:52:11,440 --> 04:52:17,160
So we have another vote about that particular parcel and what we want to do with that parcel.

3366
04:52:17,380 --> 04:52:17,920
Is that what you're saying?

3367
04:52:18,080 --> 04:52:21,080
Yeah, I'd like to have a discussion now that you know this information.

3368
04:52:21,760 --> 04:52:24,800
I mean, in terms of how you want to approach the P.

3369
04:52:24,920 --> 04:52:32,300
If you want me to take the position of Council wants no access and no parking, I'm happy to go back with that.

3370
04:52:32,480 --> 04:52:39,160
But again, this is something for you to consider as we move forward and how we finalize work at the fills.

3371
04:52:39,160 --> 04:52:42,980
Yeah, I thought we had had that discussion. I thought we were clear on that.

3372
04:52:43,100 --> 04:52:44,280
I thought we did too.

3373
04:52:45,240 --> 04:52:49,000
I can tell you, I remember, no parking, but that was only for F-DOT.

3374
04:52:49,340 --> 04:52:49,820
That's what I remember.

3375
04:52:50,140 --> 04:52:51,960
D-E-P and F-W-C.

3376
04:52:52,240 --> 04:52:57,280
Yes, but I call the D-E-P for a representative to come to me.

3377
04:52:57,820 --> 04:52:59,100
They're actually inducted.

3378
04:52:59,760 --> 04:53:00,660
Did they show up?

3379
04:53:01,480 --> 04:53:03,220
No, they did not.

3380
04:53:04,120 --> 04:53:08,200
But the only person that showed up is from the D-O-T.

3381
04:53:08,200 --> 04:53:11,380
The only person and you told me

3382
04:53:11,380 --> 04:53:19,360
Forget her you taught yes, you did at who they did to the deal. See when are you talking about yes, Miss Miller?

3383
04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:24,260
What are you talking about? I know I did what you're talking about Henry when I'm Secretary Miller

3384
04:53:24,260 --> 04:53:30,740
Secretary Miller came to this meeting participated was thanked by me was thanked by everyone that they attended here

3385
04:53:30,740 --> 04:53:35,580
So absolutely you may show you the emails. I'm happy to show you the emails

3386
04:53:35,580 --> 04:53:42,080
about the meals okay I made a call to her in person and she told me she was coming

3387
04:53:42,680 --> 04:53:48,980
you said to me why I did not okay I did not okay I did not I did not I know I

3388
04:53:48,980 --> 04:53:54,360
didn't this is unbelievable I don't know but let's just do this Ted you you

3389
04:53:54,360 --> 04:54:02,760
call you either we discuss it at another meeting if not you just call F D P or D P and F

3390
04:54:02,760 --> 04:54:08,680
you see and and tell them we want nothing to do with their property. Okay, we can't control

3391
04:54:08,680 --> 04:54:14,100
two agencies, two big agencies. We're not they're they'll come in and build their own ramp,

3392
04:54:14,280 --> 04:54:18,200
their own kayak launch and have parking and there's nothing we can do about it.

3393
04:54:18,260 --> 04:54:24,360
And do you think they're going to do that? I mean, I don't think they're going to, is it at a

3394
04:54:24,360 --> 04:54:29,020
expense the parking lots in the ramp? I just say we just leave the loan because I don't think

3395
04:54:29,020 --> 04:54:33,640
they're going to pursue going in there and fixing it. I find that hard to believe. I

3396
04:54:33,640 --> 04:54:46,800
just don't. You'll bring this to the DOT. Did I bring the DOT to the DOT? Did I bring the

3397
04:54:46,800 --> 04:54:49,420
DOT to the DOT? Did I bring the DOT? Did I bring the DOT? Did I bring the DOT?

3398
04:54:50,020 --> 04:54:56,400
One was the last time he spoke to Miss Miller. I have not brought the DOT discussion to F dot.

3399
04:54:56,400 --> 04:55:03,200
Okay, I've not done that. Okay. Okay. Okay, are we clear so we can move on Ted with this?

3400
04:55:03,200 --> 04:55:09,560
That's fine. I'm not clear. Okay. This is let's calm down a little bit. Everybody's getting excited. There's a lot on the table tonight.

3401
04:55:10,060 --> 04:55:16,300
We need we need to move on from the sled Ted follow up with them. Yeah, let's let's do that. Let's just relax relax.

3402
04:55:17,740 --> 04:55:24,900
No, no. No public comment. This is John. We're okay. No public comment. This is the village attorney and manager.

3403
04:55:24,900 --> 04:55:27,100
Yeah, this is discussion items, not actual items.

3404
04:55:27,360 --> 04:55:34,540
So now we're going to move on to Consent Agenda and Henry, you help me if I'm on right here,

3405
04:55:34,640 --> 04:55:39,060
you wanted to discuss tab five and tab six, correct?

3406
04:55:39,200 --> 04:55:42,140
And I added tab nine to the Consent Agenda.

3407
04:55:42,500 --> 04:55:42,680
Yes.

3408
04:55:42,880 --> 04:55:43,360
Okay.

3409
04:55:43,440 --> 04:55:45,500
About nine, eleven and twelve, I thought we added.

3410
04:55:45,800 --> 04:55:48,840
It was eleven and twelve's going to come after, right after the Consent Agenda.

3411
04:55:48,840 --> 04:55:49,300
All right.

3412
04:55:49,820 --> 04:55:52,460
It was tab ten that was added to the Consent Agenda.

3413
04:55:52,460 --> 04:55:56,600
And then 9, 11 and 12 removed up to the beginning of the resolution section.

3414
04:55:57,020 --> 04:56:00,760
Right. So I'm going to summarize what's on the consent agenda.

3415
04:56:01,860 --> 04:56:07,740
Okay. Tab one, we have minutes that council hopefully is reviewed.

3416
04:56:08,500 --> 04:56:12,520
We've got tab two, which is a change order by CBT for green turtle hammock.

3417
04:56:13,520 --> 04:56:19,280
As they started installing the ramps, the landing and the steps that were there,

3418
04:56:19,280 --> 04:56:24,560
We're not structurally sound, so it's a $3,000 change order for that particular project.

3419
04:56:25,580 --> 04:56:29,200
The 103 is the four-original climate change compact.

3420
04:56:29,420 --> 04:56:33,340
This is our compact that's with broader Miami-Dade Monroe and Palm Beach County that we

3421
04:56:33,340 --> 04:56:36,680
enter into as it relates to climate change issues.

3422
04:56:36,920 --> 04:56:46,020
This is us just, again, supporting that compact and moving forward in terms of just showing

3423
04:56:46,020 --> 04:56:49,480
support for their corporate goals and objections, objectives.

3424
04:56:50,440 --> 04:56:56,420
Tab 4 is a resolution with the land authority to add properties to our list that we want

3425
04:56:56,420 --> 04:56:57,740
the land authority to pursue.

3426
04:56:59,480 --> 04:57:00,780
So this is updating the list.

3427
04:57:01,200 --> 04:57:05,400
It's specific it relates to a potential settlement agreement that we can discuss at a

3428
04:57:05,400 --> 04:57:05,840
letter date.

3429
04:57:06,360 --> 04:57:08,880
But these are additional properties that we put on our list.

3430
04:57:09,140 --> 04:57:13,800
We had, I believe, 38 originally, and these are additional properties we're adding to that

3431
04:57:13,800 --> 04:57:15,280
list for them to pursue.

3432
04:57:19,720 --> 04:57:26,740
Let's see, tab 10 was added to consent, so this is a work authorization number 5 for CPH.

3433
04:57:27,220 --> 04:57:33,040
As it relates to the solar street lights that we have here in Founders Park, we have to have

3434
04:57:33,040 --> 04:57:37,920
a window test done on those light poles based on Ford a building code, so we've engaged

3435
04:57:37,920 --> 04:57:39,080
them to come in.

3436
04:57:39,220 --> 04:57:45,020
It's a $15,000 expense to come test all of the poles to make sure that they meet what current

3437
04:57:45,020 --> 04:57:47,020
before the building code is before we install a new light

3438
04:57:47,020 --> 04:57:48,020
fixtures on it.

3439
04:57:48,700 --> 04:57:50,380
And that is all I have for consent.

3440
04:57:50,840 --> 04:57:54,780
And I can chime in on tab six that that is the,

3441
04:57:54,840 --> 04:57:55,980
if Council recalls we had,

3442
04:57:56,680 --> 04:57:58,540
that's the relates to the wastewater audit.

3443
04:57:59,060 --> 04:58:00,860
Markham had sent over the agreement.

3444
04:58:00,980 --> 04:58:02,960
I think it was a couple of days before the,

3445
04:58:02,960 --> 04:58:05,340
or maybe even the day before the last council meeting

3446
04:58:05,340 --> 04:58:07,940
that was circulated to the council and we had discussed

3447
04:58:07,940 --> 04:58:10,860
at the last meeting, Council had given a consensus

3448
04:58:10,860 --> 04:58:13,540
that it approved that agreement.

3449
04:58:13,540 --> 04:58:20,440
And Markham has, in fact, gotten underway, we've gotten all the documents that they've requested over to them.

3450
04:58:20,600 --> 04:58:27,620
This is just a resolution formally approving that same contract that was circulated just before the last meeting.

3451
04:58:30,100 --> 04:58:33,360
So let's see John, that was tap six.

3452
04:58:34,060 --> 04:58:34,080
Yes.

3453
04:58:34,460 --> 04:58:34,720
Okay.

3454
04:58:36,080 --> 04:58:40,180
So Henry wanted to discuss tap five and six.

3455
04:58:40,180 --> 04:58:40,740
Henry.

3456
04:58:43,910 --> 04:58:49,750
So do you start mayor? Are you pulling five and six off of

3457
04:58:49,750 --> 04:58:54,070
concepts? He didn't want, he said he didn't want to pull him off, he just wanted to have

3458
04:58:54,070 --> 04:58:58,250
discussion and I believe he said public comment. Do you, yeah, do you want to do public comment

3459
04:58:58,250 --> 04:59:06,310
on the consent agenda now as a whole? Right. Okay. Okay. And you, it's come up on 1027. So

3460
04:59:06,310 --> 04:59:16,970
We don't exist in 30 minutes motion second I'm not making a motion I want to go home

3461
04:59:20,680 --> 04:59:21,500
a second it

3462
04:59:22,840 --> 04:59:24,040
All right

3463
04:59:24,040 --> 04:59:25,060
We're going to 11

3464
04:59:27,260 --> 04:59:28,460
Okay, so

3465
04:59:28,460 --> 04:59:33,140
John helped me Henry wanted to ask some questions. Is is he gonna?

3466
04:59:33,920 --> 04:59:40,580
Can you go ahead and ask questions right now? He can't or you can do it after after public comment either either one

3467
04:59:40,580 --> 04:59:45,540
after public comment okay so we're going to open public comment for all of

3468
04:59:46,560 --> 04:59:51,660
consent agenda correct John yes and and adding and adding tab 10

3469
04:59:51,660 --> 04:59:56,700
tab 10 into the consent agenda okay a public comment is now open

3470
04:59:58,160 --> 04:59:59,280
consent agenda

3471
05:00:01,680 --> 05:00:11,300
Thank you, sir. My name is Van Cadenhead. I have here the Florida Commission on Ethics Guide to the Sunshine Amendment and Code of Ethics.

3472
05:00:11,560 --> 05:00:19,860
It seems like some people are there seem to think that Ethics is a punk rock man from the Lower East Side.

3473
05:00:19,860 --> 05:00:39,460
But on page 7 of this, it says local government attorneys on page 7, local government attorneys such as the city attorney or county attorney and their law firms are prohibited from representing private individuals and entities before the unit of local government which they serve.

3474
05:00:39,460 --> 05:00:45,980
a local government attorney cannot recommend or otherwise refer to his or her firm legal

3475
05:00:45,980 --> 05:00:51,160
work involving the local government unit unless the attorney's contract authorizes

3476
05:00:51,160 --> 05:00:53,440
and mandates use of that firm.

3477
05:00:54,520 --> 05:01:04,200
I think the Markham contract was $80,000 was awarded out of hand by Mr. Quick. At this meeting,

3478
05:01:04,200 --> 05:01:20,580
He recommended to cover up the $4 million mistake that had been made the oversight, the lack of management of the page excavating contract fund needs to have a forensic audit.

3479
05:01:20,800 --> 05:01:22,440
I do not question that.

3480
05:01:22,820 --> 05:01:33,920
What I question is we have four auditing firms on the line which are capable of doing that, which we could have a comparative analysis of who's going to do it.

3481
05:01:33,920 --> 05:01:46,600
But instead, it was authorized by recommended by our attorney that we have Markham do it, and that's where it's been going.

3482
05:01:47,460 --> 05:02:03,740
And so I don't think that it's legal to do what to assign this contract for $80,000 to Markham for a forensic audit on a mistake that this council has made through the public works

3483
05:02:03,740 --> 05:02:06,700
Department, the Finance Department, and the Legal Department.

3484
05:02:07,400 --> 05:02:14,280
I think we should have a RFP to all four of those auditing groups and let the one who's

3485
05:02:14,280 --> 05:02:21,040
going to give us the best unbiased for Rensley audit, do the work for 80,000 dollars, thank you

3486
05:02:21,040 --> 05:02:21,720
very much.

3487
05:02:22,160 --> 05:02:24,220
Mr. Mayor, can I just respond to that?

3488
05:02:24,440 --> 05:02:29,180
Because in the more than 20 years I have been practicing law, I have never had my ethics

3489
05:02:29,180 --> 05:02:31,780
question either privately or publicly.

3490
05:02:32,520 --> 05:02:41,360
I, in no way, recommended the Markham, in fact, it was a, the, the, the auditing firm came up as

3491
05:02:41,360 --> 05:02:46,640
discussion amongst Council. I said, yes, I have heard of them. They have a good reputation.

3492
05:02:47,440 --> 05:02:51,820
I didn't know a recommended them. I, in no way, am recommending them. I have been tasked

3493
05:02:51,820 --> 05:02:57,920
by Council as the liaison for this and I'm doing that. So I just wanted to set the record

3494
05:02:57,920 --> 05:03:05,000
because I have never had my ethics question and I take my, I work way too hard to get my,

3495
05:03:05,280 --> 05:03:09,600
to be able to practice law to do something like that. And I just wanted to make sure.

3496
05:03:09,860 --> 05:03:14,500
John and I believe it was Vice Mayor that wanted you to handle this to be the,

3497
05:03:15,200 --> 05:03:20,820
you know, instead of Ted just to keep everything clean and we voted 50 for this.

3498
05:03:21,360 --> 05:03:23,280
Okay. So, yes.

3499
05:03:23,280 --> 05:03:27,340
Sorry to be long now. You're right. Okay. Sue, come on.

3500
05:03:33,400 --> 05:03:42,720
I'm a similar lower matter company. I will discuss the tab six first. They audit. I was very

3501
05:03:42,720 --> 05:03:49,360
disappointed that the audit process was in the consent agenda. I think it requires more counsel

3502
05:03:49,360 --> 05:03:58,400
discussion. I think it's really ironic that one of the complaints about the process that's being

3503
05:03:58,400 --> 05:04:08,780
audit it is that they didn't do competitive bidding for a form $4 million worth of projects.

3504
05:04:09,760 --> 05:04:18,060
And so here you're doing your required to do competitive bidding, the threshold is $25,000.

3505
05:04:18,520 --> 05:04:23,560
This is an $80,000 audit and you're not doing competitive bidding.

3506
05:04:23,560 --> 05:04:29,880
just seems ironic to me that you're auditing the village for not doing competitive bidding

3507
05:04:29,880 --> 05:04:33,380
and then you're approving something without competitive bidding.

3508
05:04:35,480 --> 05:04:37,840
I find fault with the fact

3509
05:04:37,840 --> 05:04:45,960
that the attorney is negotiating the parameters of the audit. And while you all said, yes,

3510
05:04:45,960 --> 05:04:51,980
We want you to go ahead with this audit with these parameters.

3511
05:04:52,640 --> 05:05:01,300
Those parameters were sent to you on a Sunday night in an email that the public was not

3512
05:05:01,300 --> 05:05:01,940
privy to.

3513
05:05:01,960 --> 05:05:04,240
It was not discussed at a public meeting.

3514
05:05:04,620 --> 05:05:10,820
And I think you owe it to the community who has paid $4 million without competitive

3515
05:05:10,820 --> 05:05:15,880
bidding and with after the fact approval that you've found fault with enough to

3516
05:05:15,880 --> 05:05:23,060
ask for an audit, you should also be public and transparent about what the parameters are.

3517
05:05:23,400 --> 05:05:33,740
It appears from those parameters that we now see in this agenda that the contractors being audited.

3518
05:05:34,920 --> 05:05:40,240
You're not auditing the contractor, the contractor didn't do anything wrong that we know of.

3519
05:05:40,240 --> 05:06:01,380
It was the village process that was wrong where you hired a contractor to do $4 million worth of projects without putting it out for bid and without prior counsel approval before the work was done in the checks were paid and cashed.

3520
05:06:01,380 --> 05:06:11,920
Then let's go to Tab 5. Tab 5 is a purchase of wastewater equipment from Ferguson for an amount

3521
05:06:11,920 --> 05:06:22,000
equaling $116,000. Tax payers money with a waiver of competitive bidding. We were promised

3522
05:06:22,000 --> 05:06:30,880
by Mr. Quick that while there were errors made in the past that caused this $4 million

3523
05:06:30,880 --> 05:06:34,360
or discrepancy, it wouldn't happen in the future.

3524
05:06:34,780 --> 05:06:36,840
And here it is in the consent agenda.

3525
05:06:38,360 --> 05:06:39,860
So thank you for your time.

3526
05:06:40,760 --> 05:06:41,100
Thank you.

3527
05:06:41,220 --> 05:06:44,220
Man, can I just address, so 10 number five,

3528
05:06:44,400 --> 05:06:46,960
I apologize, skip the summary of it.

3529
05:06:47,660 --> 05:06:49,660
So we have Ferguson Water Works,

3530
05:06:49,660 --> 05:06:52,160
which is a vendor for our wastewater system.

3531
05:06:52,380 --> 05:06:55,520
Okay, we buy pipes and backflow providers.

3532
05:06:56,780 --> 05:06:59,260
So today we spent, didn't this fiscal year,

3533
05:06:59,260 --> 05:07:08,000
spent $17,000. We're coming to Council now before we hit that $25,000 threshold. We have

3534
05:07:08,000 --> 05:07:14,640
a quote prepared and we're asking for authority to purchase a $38,000 worth of checkfiles

3535
05:07:14,640 --> 05:07:24,300
and pipes to restore our inventory. Okay, forecasting for the rest of this year, we're asking

3536
05:07:24,300 --> 05:07:31,380
council to authorize another $60,000 worth of vendor purchases. These are supplies, okay,

3537
05:07:31,920 --> 05:07:40,960
from a particular vendor that we do work with that specializes in this. Just to back up just a little

3538
05:07:40,960 --> 05:07:48,700
bit, all of this is presented to council in our budget. So we have $225,000 worth of operating supplies

3539
05:07:48,700 --> 05:07:54,660
and wastewater, we've got $530,000 worth of repair and maintenance and $200,000 in infrastructure.

3540
05:07:55,260 --> 05:07:57,400
We go through those numbers in detail with Council.

3541
05:07:58,280 --> 05:08:04,860
These particular purchases will come out of our operating supplies of $225,000.

3542
05:08:05,820 --> 05:08:07,900
Okay, we have not exceeded that budget.

3543
05:08:09,120 --> 05:08:18,010
Again, this is something that, again, when you look at the authority and the minimal limitation of $25,000,

3544
05:08:18,010 --> 05:08:20,610
is something that I think council needs to address in the future.

3545
05:08:21,230 --> 05:08:26,850
However, we're coming to yet 17 grand and we're telling you, we have an invoice for 38

3546
05:08:26,850 --> 05:08:30,710
that we would like to move forward with in order these products and we're asking you to

3547
05:08:30,710 --> 05:08:33,550
authorize $60,000 more.

3548
05:08:34,870 --> 05:08:39,290
So, the way that it's been done in this community for a long time, there's nothing secret,

3549
05:08:41,050 --> 05:08:46,110
there's nothing, for Anne with say, nofarious about it, it's us moving forward and taking

3550
05:08:46,110 --> 05:08:48,090
business and protecting our system.

3551
05:08:48,930 --> 05:08:56,610
So, I know this, the CSA agreement for the public's knowledge, this was done in 2018.

3552
05:08:57,010 --> 05:09:05,810
None of us were on this council at that time, okay, in 2018, all right, and it wasn't,

3553
05:09:05,810 --> 05:09:11,730
yeah, accumulative it's $4 million, and we were trying to do the right thing by getting

3554
05:09:11,730 --> 05:09:15,270
doing an audit, trying to do something about it.

3555
05:09:15,270 --> 05:09:20,250
But anyways, all right Ted, let's let's move on with this mayor.

3556
05:09:20,510 --> 05:09:23,190
I'd like to make a comment too along the lines of what you just said.

3557
05:09:23,470 --> 05:09:29,370
I think it was accurate what Sue Miller said that there was $4 million worth of work done

3558
05:09:29,370 --> 05:09:32,870
and it was not subjected to public to competitive bidding.

3559
05:09:33,070 --> 05:09:34,990
But that's not the entire story.

3560
05:09:35,610 --> 05:09:38,170
That began as you said back in 2018,

3561
05:09:38,170 --> 05:09:49,350
A 24th of 2018 and it was a series of less than $25,000 repairs that occurred over a very long period of time.

3562
05:09:49,410 --> 05:09:54,970
I don't know if it was two years, a year and a half, two and a half years, but it is misleading to the public.

3563
05:09:55,490 --> 05:10:04,510
And it is insulting to the staff to suggest that we had some sort of rogue accounting mismanagement practice going on.

3564
05:10:04,510 --> 05:10:09,970
that would just they would just start writing checks for four million dollars. We approved the

3565
05:10:09,970 --> 05:10:15,550
the contractor that was approved by the council before we were here and we approved the work

3566
05:10:15,550 --> 05:10:22,670
that needed to be done and the nature of the problems that occurred were emergency repairs. These

3567
05:10:22,670 --> 05:10:28,450
were sewer breakdowns. Those are not the kind of things where you wait three weeks to come to

3568
05:10:28,450 --> 05:10:34,030
a council meeting and ask for permission to spend the money to fix it. So our staff and I think it

3569
05:10:34,030 --> 05:10:40,870
Maria who was acting as the village manager at that time while undertaking her duties as the

3570
05:10:40,870 --> 05:10:46,230
finance director made an executive decision to get the problem fixed because it fit within

3571
05:10:46,230 --> 05:10:53,010
the parameters of the $25,000. And we did not know at the time and I don't mean us the council

3572
05:10:53,010 --> 05:11:00,070
but the council then that it was going to add up to $4 million. But that's what happened. So I just

3573
05:11:00,070 --> 05:11:06,770
really take issue with the characterization I got from that and maybe I'm a little

3574
05:11:06,770 --> 05:11:13,010
biased, I guess you could say that. But that we did something wrong for to the tune of

3575
05:11:13,010 --> 05:11:18,690
4 million dollars. In retrospect, we have done a better job, I think so. But I don't

3576
05:11:18,690 --> 05:11:22,930
think it's fair to throw this staff under the bus and suggest that there was something

3577
05:11:23,470 --> 05:11:27,170
improper going on. So what I would like to say further, we're going to pull that item and

3578
05:11:27,170 --> 05:11:32,070
about it separately or is that that what we're doing now because we're doing right now but we're

3579
05:11:32,070 --> 05:11:36,750
going to continue public. Well I don't I don't really think we should I'm sorry if I'm going

3580
05:11:36,750 --> 05:11:42,030
out of order but I don't really think we need to spend the $80,000 on this I mean we've already

3581
05:11:42,030 --> 05:11:48,290
been audited each year our books get audited and certainly we could do better with Markham by

3582
05:11:48,290 --> 05:11:54,430
asking them to review our processes and our procedures for doing things. The staff has been

3583
05:11:54,430 --> 05:11:59,330
task with producing all these documents. It's a huge burden on them. They're going backwards

3584
05:11:59,330 --> 05:12:02,890
and not getting their work done because they're having to do this. And that's because that's

3585
05:12:02,890 --> 05:12:07,670
who they are. They're getting it done. But I just don't think it's the right thing to do to spend

3586
05:12:07,670 --> 05:12:14,470
$80,000 on something that's already been audited in one sense of the word, one manner, and then

3587
05:12:14,470 --> 05:12:18,870
to not ask, not to get some benefit out of it. I mean, what is the point of the audit? They're going

3588
05:12:18,870 --> 05:12:23,990
to come back and say, you did this right and you did this wrong. Have a nice day. And it's not going

3589
05:12:23,990 --> 05:12:28,330
cost 80 grand they're going to want more and there's a physical component to that as well

3590
05:12:28,330 --> 05:12:35,430
there's some possible defective parts or construction which you hear the I think you're the

3591
05:12:35,430 --> 05:12:40,610
expert on that and that should be broken out separately and we can have some sort of a construction

3592
05:12:40,610 --> 05:12:45,330
audit done to see if the work was done improperly or not that's different than the financial but

3593
05:12:45,330 --> 05:12:49,390
I don't think mixing those together is the right thing to do. I think a lot of residents in this

3594
05:12:49,390 --> 05:13:05,570
community when they go to flush their toilet and wouldn't flush they'd be calling the village real quick and uh saying I got a problem that I'm saying grinder pump or vacuum sewer pit, but you know, you know,

3595
05:13:05,570 --> 05:13:12,130
We weren't, I wasn't involved, I wasn't on council when Seth the village manager talked

3596
05:13:12,130 --> 05:13:19,330
that council sitting into going on their own when they had lane locked in for 20 years.

3597
05:13:19,890 --> 05:13:21,290
So I have no more to say about it.

3598
05:13:21,410 --> 05:13:25,470
Well, I think the last thing I want to say, I'm going to try to be the last thing is that

3599
05:13:25,470 --> 05:13:31,910
that has been used to, to blame Ted, because now it falls in Ted's laps.

3600
05:13:31,910 --> 05:13:47,670
This almost all of this happened before he even walked in the door, so I think we need to put things in the proper context if we're going to make an intelligent decision about how we're spending the public's money and who's going to be working for us or not working for us.

3601
05:13:48,310 --> 05:13:49,570
Can we move on with public comment?

3602
05:13:50,130 --> 05:13:50,710
Wait a minute.

3603
05:13:51,270 --> 05:13:57,070
That item, whatever item that was, is remains in the consent agenda.

3604
05:13:57,270 --> 05:13:58,290
Am I correct about that?

3605
05:13:59,110 --> 05:13:59,430
Okay.

3606
05:13:59,430 --> 05:14:06,210
I thought it was going to be pulled because it's unclear what is happening, so now we're having a discussion

3607
05:14:06,210 --> 05:14:14,830
So he didn't call it he didn't pull it. He didn't pull it. He didn't pull it. He wanted to discuss it if it's not pulled. I'm wrong. I'm sorry

3608
05:14:14,830 --> 05:14:24,070
5 and 6. 5 and 6. You wanted to discuss it in the public comment. Okay, just, just to be, but we okay, so

3609
05:14:28,010 --> 05:14:34,590
I spoke out of order, we should have continued, but I apologize for that, but I didn't want

3610
05:14:34,590 --> 05:14:40,550
those statements to get lost in the further discussion before I had a chance to address

3611
05:14:40,550 --> 05:14:44,790
what I see is a very big, wrong and intentional misleading of the public.

3612
05:14:44,790 --> 05:14:48,090
Okay, continue to follow the comment this time.

3613
05:14:50,600 --> 05:14:51,200
Consent agenda.

3614
05:14:52,400 --> 05:14:53,120
I'm like a son agenda.

3615
05:14:54,060 --> 05:14:54,620
And my name?

3616
05:14:55,240 --> 05:14:55,680
Go ahead.

3617
05:14:56,200 --> 05:14:57,760
I don't need to speak it, Joe.

3618
05:14:58,660 --> 05:14:59,700
He's my...

3619
05:14:59,700 --> 05:14:59,980
No.

3620
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:16,680
Oh, wish, mire, not weasemire, wish mire, thank you. The first one I'd like to talk about is the tab for that was the request of the Monroe County land authority to purchase properties within the village for habitat protection and conservation.

3621
05:15:17,460 --> 05:15:23,820
I totally agree that we certainly should be preserving properties for habitat protection and conversation.

3622
05:15:23,820 --> 05:15:30,820
So the village should stop giving TDRs from small shacks to beachfront mansions and other hammock-filled properties

3623
05:15:30,820 --> 05:15:38,040
So we need to take responsibility and don't just rely on the county as far as Tabsisk six goes

3624
05:15:38,040 --> 05:15:42,760
I thought that this was a resolution of proving wastewater audit with Markham

3625
05:15:42,760 --> 05:15:45,300
Yet it sounds like we've already started pulling

3626
05:15:46,320 --> 05:15:50,240
Documents and everything to give to him, so it sounds like it's already been a done deal

3627
05:15:50,240 --> 05:15:58,880
But I don't understand why we are working on the contractor, auditing the contractor, who was just doing the work he was contracted to do.

3628
05:15:59,700 --> 05:16:11,860
So therefore, if there was a shortfall, we need to find out what happened there, but we've all been in business if you think you're overpaying somebody, you find out and you get rid of them and you get somebody else to do it.

3629
05:16:11,860 --> 05:16:14,680
It was also brought up by some council members.

3630
05:16:15,160 --> 05:16:20,940
It would be appropriate to use the auditor general of Florida instead of one where the

3631
05:16:20,940 --> 05:16:25,020
village attorney and manager select and establish parameters of the audit.

3632
05:16:25,460 --> 05:16:27,540
Isn't it like the Fox guarding the henhouse?

3633
05:16:27,840 --> 05:16:32,740
Markham works for the aqueduct authority and council is considering using the aqueduct

3634
05:16:32,740 --> 05:16:35,240
authority for our own wastewater projects.

3635
05:16:36,200 --> 05:16:40,820
It would go a long way if we just use a completely independent auditor.

3636
05:16:40,820 --> 05:16:49,460
Thank you. Okay, you've already had your bite at the apple. I wanted to just have five. I had just have six before.

3637
05:16:50,460 --> 05:16:58,960
Hey, John, I thought we got, did they have just three minutes to come in and dress? I don't know if he used up his three minutes, but yeah, they got three minutes.

3638
05:16:59,860 --> 05:17:09,120
No, but I mean, they're not getting three minutes per tab. It's for the consentage item. It could send to just one three minutes, then. You got you already spoke.

3639
05:17:09,920 --> 05:17:15,560
I've gone to have six, so the tab five is also in the consent agenda, I'd like to address

3640
05:17:15,560 --> 05:17:16,600
tab five.

3641
05:17:17,400 --> 05:17:18,120
Okay, Henry.

3642
05:17:19,260 --> 05:17:19,720
Got it.

3643
05:17:19,740 --> 05:17:20,340
Go ahead, man.

3644
05:17:21,720 --> 05:17:25,220
This has nothing to do with Ted and it's not Ted's fault, so relax.

3645
05:17:26,040 --> 05:17:32,100
But my problem is that one of the reasons that we have these problems were buying from Ferguson

3646
05:17:32,100 --> 05:17:40,040
And are we sure that we're buying from bonded material suppliers because we have gotten

3647
05:17:40,040 --> 05:17:49,120
stung really badly in the wastewater with buying poly valves that were installed in all the

3648
05:17:49,120 --> 05:17:51,320
units that, you know, all the residential units.

3649
05:17:51,900 --> 05:17:57,260
And now we've had to go in by stainless steel valves to replace those poly valves.

3650
05:17:57,260 --> 05:18:03,980
So we've had to pay not only for the polyvalves, which failed the plastic flanges and what not

3651
05:18:03,980 --> 05:18:07,640
of decayed, and do we have any recourse?

3652
05:18:07,900 --> 05:18:15,820
We have any legal recourse, John, from I was done in 2014 by the village's engineer way

3653
05:18:15,820 --> 05:18:16,160
trim.

3654
05:18:16,540 --> 05:18:24,620
Which is why I'm saying, it's not anything to do with the manager, but in going forward, you

3655
05:18:24,620 --> 05:18:31,500
should only deal with bonded people and ensure that due diligence, you didn't do due diligence,

3656
05:18:31,500 --> 05:18:37,120
someone did not do due diligence on the poly valves which failed.

3657
05:18:37,560 --> 05:18:42,460
We should have spent the money to start with for stainless steel valves and that's due diligence

3658
05:18:42,460 --> 05:18:45,520
and that's a failure of the council not the manager.

3659
05:18:45,860 --> 05:18:46,800
Thank you.

3660
05:18:48,110 --> 05:18:49,550
Martin, any other public comment?

3661
05:18:49,790 --> 05:18:52,590
Yes, I have on Zoom, Dave Peckvitch.

3662
05:18:53,250 --> 05:18:54,310
Okay, Dave, go ahead.

3663
05:18:57,360 --> 05:18:59,900
Hello, Council, Dave Peckvitch, lower mat.

3664
05:19:00,200 --> 05:19:01,120
I want to make a comment.

3665
05:19:01,320 --> 05:19:03,560
It really sounds odd when we have a $25,000,

3666
05:19:03,660 --> 05:19:04,320
just tap six.

3667
05:19:04,460 --> 05:19:06,400
We have a $25,000 rule.

3668
05:19:07,060 --> 05:19:08,780
And then we have to put things out to bid.

3669
05:19:09,340 --> 05:19:12,520
But we just heard it that it started with $25,000.

3670
05:19:13,020 --> 05:19:15,720
And then it started with a $25,000 job.

3671
05:19:16,200 --> 05:19:17,760
And then it was another $25,000.

3672
05:19:17,800 --> 05:19:19,260
And then another $25,000.

3673
05:19:19,260 --> 05:19:24,260
Well, it would have took 160, 25,000 to get the 4 million.

3674
05:19:24,880 --> 05:19:27,200
So whether we're talking about 10 million or 2 million,

3675
05:19:27,640 --> 05:19:31,840
all we got to do is split it up between 360 to 25,000.

3676
05:19:31,980 --> 05:19:32,960
This is inappropriate.

3677
05:19:34,820 --> 05:19:39,480
Who ever was responsible for not putting the bids out?

3678
05:19:39,980 --> 05:19:45,020
They may need the PIP program, which would probably be a good idea.

3679
05:19:45,020 --> 05:19:51,620
But to say that we're just going to get rid of the $25,000 rule, and now we're going to

3680
05:19:51,620 --> 05:19:58,360
have $365,000 issue in, so we're going to pay this contractor $10,000 in doing like that.

3681
05:19:58,660 --> 05:20:01,900
It's just ridiculous, and I can't even believe we just heard that.

3682
05:20:02,160 --> 05:20:07,500
I want to reiterate a couple things that Sue said that the audit should be on the village

3683
05:20:07,500 --> 05:20:08,200
and the procedure.

3684
05:20:08,540 --> 05:20:12,420
I don't think it should be on the contractor in case we find improper priorities.

3685
05:20:12,420 --> 05:20:18,780
I think of anybody in the staff, it's personal friends with the contractor which happens in a small village like this.

3686
05:20:19,040 --> 05:20:20,680
This should be screwed nice even more.

3687
05:20:21,040 --> 05:20:22,280
But this has to be addressed.

3688
05:20:22,780 --> 05:20:23,700
And it shouldn't be addressed.

3689
05:20:23,880 --> 05:20:25,920
Well, it was 125,000.

3690
05:20:26,340 --> 05:20:27,860
And then another 25,000.

3691
05:20:28,540 --> 05:20:29,660
And now we hit 4 million.

3692
05:20:29,900 --> 05:20:30,900
Thank you.

3693
05:20:30,940 --> 05:20:31,180
Council.

3694
05:20:32,340 --> 05:20:32,820
Next.

3695
05:20:34,500 --> 05:20:37,620
We public just been informed how this happened.

3696
05:20:38,620 --> 05:20:41,960
one bite at a time, that's the same way you eat an elephant.

3697
05:20:43,340 --> 05:20:45,920
Okay, 100, 60 times to get to it.

3698
05:20:46,100 --> 05:20:47,440
But here's the point.

3699
05:20:48,320 --> 05:20:51,620
This was supposed to be an audit of how that happened.

3700
05:20:53,100 --> 05:20:58,630
And I suspect Mr. Yates wasn't involved in changing somebody at this table,

3701
05:20:59,380 --> 05:21:01,780
shifted the scope of the audit to the contractor.

3702
05:21:01,780 --> 05:21:06,560
It's supposed to be about these procedures where you eat an elephant, one bite at a time,

3703
05:21:06,720 --> 05:21:10,040
and it gets twenty-five thousand cap turns into four million dollars.

3704
05:21:10,260 --> 05:21:14,600
It's supposed to figure out how to solve this problem so it doesn't keep happening.

3705
05:21:15,340 --> 05:21:15,980
That's the point.

3706
05:21:16,380 --> 05:21:21,320
And by the way, the state of Florida has a thirty-five thousand dollar cap that mandates

3707
05:21:21,920 --> 05:21:28,280
public, but you can't get rid of it because there's a state cap as well.

3708
05:21:28,280 --> 05:21:36,620
And all these financial mishaps ought to be the clue that you need to change the way this ship happens.

3709
05:21:37,700 --> 05:21:50,600
And you're avoiding that by deflecting the audit into being after the contractor instead of how the defects in our processing let this turn into four million dollars.

3710
05:21:51,220 --> 05:21:54,780
And now there's no bid for the eighty thousand dollar audit.

3711
05:21:57,440 --> 05:22:00,200
Somebody is responsible for that.

3712
05:22:01,360 --> 05:22:08,260
And how do we keep it from happening again to safeguard the taxpayers, the taxpayers?

3713
05:22:11,940 --> 05:22:12,400
Thank you, Marny.

3714
05:22:12,560 --> 05:22:14,740
Anybody else?

3715
05:22:17,080 --> 05:22:17,960
That's all I have.

3716
05:22:18,040 --> 05:22:18,320
Okay.

3717
05:22:18,500 --> 05:22:19,920
Public comments now closed.

3718
05:22:24,160 --> 05:22:27,380
This is this audit that I know of dead.

3719
05:22:29,900 --> 05:22:31,880
Maybe I'm lost or something.

3720
05:22:31,880 --> 05:22:35,160
But it's not, it's on the process, it's not on the contractor.

3721
05:22:40,200 --> 05:22:41,580
But it's on, it's the process.

3722
05:22:42,000 --> 05:22:46,260
Yeah, I'm not sure where the, the auditing of the, the vendors coming in.

3723
05:22:46,340 --> 05:22:50,660
I mean, there was the one thing that you all did indicate was that there was a number of

3724
05:22:50,660 --> 05:22:53,840
people who spoke and said, we don't think they actually did the work.

3725
05:22:54,580 --> 05:22:58,100
And that might be, there is, they might do something about my check.

3726
05:22:58,600 --> 05:22:59,320
Yeah, accountability.

3727
05:22:59,720 --> 05:23:00,260
Where the confusion.

3728
05:23:00,840 --> 05:23:01,820
Coming coming into play.

3729
05:23:01,820 --> 05:23:06,800
So I mean, this was drafted based upon the direction

3730
05:23:06,800 --> 05:23:08,400
that was given at the council meeting.

3731
05:23:10,750 --> 05:23:13,470
OK, so I moved to approve the consent agenda.

3732
05:23:14,250 --> 05:23:15,430
I won't say something.

3733
05:23:15,450 --> 05:23:16,030
Oh, sorry.

3734
05:23:17,510 --> 05:23:18,290
I forgot about that.

3735
05:23:18,330 --> 05:23:19,270
No, that's OK.

3736
05:23:20,610 --> 05:23:27,210
To have five, the Ferguson Warworks primary vendor.

3737
05:23:28,690 --> 05:23:31,350
Had it going out to bid, you was down

3738
05:23:31,350 --> 05:23:40,930
that they are the primary vendor. That's my problem. Bring to your attention. Shoulder

3739
05:23:40,930 --> 05:23:42,890
going out to bid to begin with.

3740
05:23:44,870 --> 05:23:48,690
Henry, let me correct you on one thing. Anything to do with the grinder pumps these valves

3741
05:23:48,690 --> 05:23:51,730
we're talking about are only sold by E1.

3742
05:23:52,210 --> 05:23:56,670
Aren't you going to steal valves are made by E1 and you cannot get him anywhere else?

3743
05:23:56,670 --> 05:24:00,630
Well, okay, says here that first in is the primary vendor

3744
05:24:02,310 --> 05:24:06,530
I challenge that okay, but but

3745
05:24:07,330 --> 05:24:09,270
Let's go here and see

3746
05:24:10,150 --> 05:24:11,310
what Ferguson

3747
05:24:13,010 --> 05:24:13,590
purchasing

3748
05:24:14,750 --> 05:24:15,730
Authorization to

3749
05:24:18,210 --> 05:24:18,790
Just

3750
05:24:23,520 --> 05:24:31,260
to just declare things up. We're gonna have AJ shed some light on this. AJ's the one AJ's along with the hands dirty and that then the legs are

3751
05:24:37,290 --> 05:24:40,070
So Ferguson is one of our pipe suppliers.

3752
05:24:40,850 --> 05:24:43,630
They are the pipe that we're ordering and the parts that we're ordering.

3753
05:24:44,410 --> 05:24:47,190
They are the supplier that we order those parts.

3754
05:24:47,550 --> 05:24:53,370
The parts that we're replacing are replacing the spare parts from the last sewer break

3755
05:24:53,370 --> 05:24:55,550
that we just had over Father's Day weekend.

3756
05:24:56,310 --> 05:24:59,030
Those are items that we have to have in stock.

3757
05:24:59,370 --> 05:25:02,090
If we get a break and we don't have that,

3758
05:25:02,090 --> 05:25:08,270
there's no ordering and waiting, the system is completely shut down.

3759
05:25:08,490 --> 05:25:11,830
I'm not challenging. I'm not challenging you with what you just said.

3760
05:25:12,030 --> 05:25:14,570
All I'm saying is, had to go on an alphabet.

3761
05:25:17,150 --> 05:25:20,530
Those are the items that we requested quotes from.

3762
05:25:21,390 --> 05:25:23,870
Yeah, but you didn't bid it out.

3763
05:25:24,990 --> 05:25:27,150
It's not an RFP process.

3764
05:25:27,730 --> 05:25:29,070
Well, you should have.

3765
05:25:29,070 --> 05:25:31,490
because there's like a 25,000.

3766
05:25:31,490 --> 05:25:36,110
I think his name is Madison, who sells to this guy here,

3767
05:25:36,310 --> 05:25:38,010
who says he's the primary vendor.

3768
05:25:39,530 --> 05:25:41,150
If you did it out, you would have found

3769
05:25:41,150 --> 05:25:42,990
there's somebody else out there, cheaper.

3770
05:25:43,890 --> 05:25:46,550
And that's, we haven't had anybody cheaper on that.

3771
05:25:47,070 --> 05:25:49,970
Well, we use other vendors for other specific items.

3772
05:25:50,150 --> 05:25:51,330
Fort line is one of them.

3773
05:25:51,330 --> 05:25:54,310
All I'm saying is it should have been bid out.

3774
05:25:54,670 --> 05:25:56,350
That's all I'm saying.

3775
05:25:56,970 --> 05:25:57,250
Simple.

3776
05:25:58,110 --> 05:26:06,150
I'll say this time and time, for as long as I'm sitting here, things have happened and

3777
05:26:06,150 --> 05:26:12,270
they're not dead out. That's all. That's against you. You and what you do, what you've

3778
05:26:12,270 --> 05:26:19,270
been doing for years, all I'm saying take the time to bid it out. That's all. There is somebody

3779
05:26:19,270 --> 05:26:24,690
else to this guy. In a meantime, Henry, what if we have a break that you're waiting on

3780
05:26:24,690 --> 05:26:31,790
and you have a break and we have no pipe to fix it and we got hundreds thousands of gallons of sewage going in the ground.

3781
05:26:32,850 --> 05:26:36,970
Oh, I'm saying as you can buy something cheaper if you do it properly.

3782
05:26:37,330 --> 05:26:37,930
That's okay.

3783
05:26:38,190 --> 05:26:39,570
All right, so all you can buy something cheaper.

3784
05:26:40,170 --> 05:26:40,390
All right.

3785
05:26:40,630 --> 05:26:41,590
Anybody has a cheaper?

3786
05:26:41,710 --> 05:26:42,550
Sure, I'll take it.

3787
05:26:42,590 --> 05:26:43,950
I think we got the point.

3788
05:26:44,830 --> 05:26:45,550
My Elizabeth.

3789
05:26:45,870 --> 05:26:47,030
Are you angry or you finished?

3790
05:26:47,650 --> 05:26:48,650
I hope I am.

3791
05:26:48,790 --> 05:26:50,190
But I'm probably not.

3792
05:26:55,220 --> 05:26:56,320
That was five.

3793
05:26:56,320 --> 05:26:58,400
We're not put here for six.

3794
05:26:58,400 --> 05:27:00,500
You expired on six.

3795
05:27:01,940 --> 05:27:03,680
Uh huh.

3796
05:27:04,080 --> 05:27:05,720
Can occur when they set the set?

3797
05:27:09,780 --> 05:27:11,480
Okay I'll just go ahead.

3798
05:27:11,660 --> 05:27:12,680
Okay Liz Biff?

3799
05:27:12,680 --> 05:27:12,960
Yeah.

3800
05:27:14,060 --> 05:27:15,280
There's a motion on the floor.

3801
05:27:15,680 --> 05:27:17,100
You have to approve the consent agenda.

3802
05:27:17,600 --> 05:27:18,700
Do I hear a second?

3803
05:27:21,870 --> 05:27:24,030
Do I help I'll second it?

3804
05:27:24,050 --> 05:27:25,470
Market call the roll please?

3805
05:27:26,570 --> 05:27:27,950
Can I also remember Elizabeth Jolenn?

3806
05:27:27,950 --> 05:27:28,490
Yes.

3807
05:27:29,670 --> 05:27:30,430
Mayer Buddypender?

3808
05:27:30,790 --> 05:27:31,150
Yes

3809
05:27:31,810 --> 05:27:33,250
Can I also remember Mark Craig?

3810
05:27:34,070 --> 05:27:34,390
Yes.

3811
05:27:34,390 --> 05:27:36,610
Can I just remember Henry Rosenthal?

3812
05:27:37,090 --> 05:27:37,450
Yes.

3813
05:27:37,910 --> 05:27:39,250
And Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

3814
05:27:40,310 --> 05:27:41,690
The motion pass is 5 to 0.

3815
05:27:43,610 --> 05:27:43,730
Okay.

3816
05:27:44,110 --> 05:27:48,110
John, did you tell me that we pulled out to have nine, right?

3817
05:27:49,090 --> 05:27:49,310
Yeah.

3818
05:27:49,870 --> 05:27:54,130
You guys had moved to have 9-11 in 12.

3819
05:27:54,610 --> 05:27:56,170
Yeah, 9-11 in 12.

3820
05:27:57,530 --> 05:27:58,710
So we're going to go on.

3821
05:27:58,930 --> 05:28:03,270
Could you clarify, we're doing 9-11 and 12.

3822
05:28:03,270 --> 05:28:09,470
and then eight and then seven. Is that how we're doing the order we're doing this in?

3823
05:28:09,470 --> 05:28:17,650
I did the whole incident agenda. Okay. I know. My note showed nine, then 11, then 12, and then

3824
05:28:17,650 --> 05:28:24,330
going back in order seven, eight, and then going back after. Okay, seven, eight. 13, I guess,

3825
05:28:24,410 --> 05:28:30,290
would be after that. Okay. So are we going to extend or what are we going to do? I made that we

3826
05:28:30,290 --> 05:28:38,490
recess the meeting tonight right now to 11 o'clock. We have a whole lot of other items on the agenda. We're all pretty tired.

3827
05:28:39,010 --> 05:28:41,790
Some of them are going to be

3828
05:28:41,790 --> 05:28:45,290
Discussed in great detail. It could take until 2 o'clock in the morning.

3829
05:28:45,570 --> 05:28:52,350
Mark, is it possible that we do because there are people that made a special trip here for these couple next couple of the genders.

3830
05:28:52,570 --> 05:28:53,750
I mean, couple of tabs.

3831
05:28:53,950 --> 05:28:56,190
9 10 and 12 11 and 12.

3832
05:28:56,190 --> 05:29:02,410
If we end and there I would be fine with that we number nine number nine we can postpone till the next man

3833
05:29:02,410 --> 05:29:11,190
Okay, all right, so we'll move to have nine. Was it intentional to shuffle the agenda so we don't have time to address

3834
05:29:11,190 --> 05:29:18,770
What's very important for Mr. Yates and our community was that the intention here because it all so it just so happens

3835
05:29:18,770 --> 05:29:24,110
Not at all not with me. I'm you guys want to stay here and do it to have seven. I'll stay here

3836
05:29:24,110 --> 05:29:30,830
I don't care we all complain we all complain about staying late at night and how tired we are in the brain damage

3837
05:29:30,830 --> 05:29:39,470
We get and then what it takes to recover the next day. I think Ted deserves a fresh counsel and a fresh meeting

3838
05:29:39,470 --> 05:29:43,890
We were all rare and ready to go instead of being worn out and punchy

3839
05:29:44,450 --> 05:29:50,410
We've already had a lot of emotional stuff going on tonight. So let's extend 30 minutes and do 11 and

3840
05:29:50,410 --> 05:29:54,810
know now let's not extend 30 minutes if we're if we're all tired and punchy and then

3841
05:29:54,810 --> 05:29:59,970
let's discuss what what the next meeting will look like that will be July 22nd.

3842
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:28,880
Is there any fairly full? Excuse me, 27th? If you think that this is, forgive the implication. But if you think this is some kind of a stunt to torpedo and delay until Ted's contract gets renewed, he could be fired at any time. All you got to do is think that that is anyone's intention to fire Ted. I don't know what to think anymore. Yeah, it's hard. So let's just go, no, no, I think what we need to talk about. What's 15 minutes going to do here?

3843
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:34,440
minutes going to do what would that be people these people are here in this

3844
05:30:34,440 --> 05:30:39,280
these are routine drove from key wash and we have we have we have since we

3845
05:30:39,280 --> 05:30:45,260
sat down here delayed this and and extended this meeting to a point where it's

3846
05:30:45,780 --> 05:30:51,740
it does look like a torpedo here and so what we're doing is delaying any kind

3847
05:30:51,740 --> 05:30:59,980
of resolution for this village or this council respectively it's it's about

3848
05:30:59,980 --> 05:31:00,600
no

3849
05:31:04,920 --> 05:31:10,990
it's it's already they're already picked they've been they've had a contract

3850
05:31:10,990 --> 05:31:16,530
Mr. Bayer I'll move to extend for 15 minutes to consider items 19 and 12 taps

3851
05:31:16,530 --> 05:31:22,550
we don't need nine nine yeah nine we can let off so John can you please help us out

3852
05:31:22,550 --> 05:31:28,150
would do a tab 11 please we get a vote for that there was a minute hold on there was

3853
05:31:28,150 --> 05:31:33,070
a move to extend did anyone second okay well it's a vote because I would like to

3854
05:31:33,070 --> 05:31:37,710
no one that I'd like to go home okay okay so all right so let's take a vote

3855
05:31:37,710 --> 05:31:42,510
then Marty right quick mark made the motion I second it let's take a

3856
05:31:42,510 --> 05:31:48,110
vote call the roll Marty hey councilmember Mark Wright mayor ready pender yes

3857
05:31:49,290 --> 05:31:54,370
councilmember Elizabeth Jolene no councilmember Henry Rosenfill just

3858
05:31:54,370 --> 05:32:00,130
there's a extend for what 15 minutes it's to extend for 15 minutes in order to

3859
05:32:00,130 --> 05:32:07,530
discuss tab 11 and 12, and leave the other ones to some undefined time.

3860
05:32:08,110 --> 05:32:11,270
Yeah, sorry. Okay. I'm a favorite of that. All right.

3861
05:32:11,650 --> 05:32:13,030
And share share in the meeting?

3862
05:32:13,390 --> 05:32:14,590
Yes. It's a good to say.

3863
05:32:15,150 --> 05:32:16,430
Motion passes for the one.

3864
05:32:16,730 --> 05:32:17,470
Hey, John.

3865
05:32:19,150 --> 05:32:23,050
Tab 11 is a resolution of the Village Council of Ilamana Village of Ireland's Florida

3866
05:32:23,050 --> 05:32:26,930
approving execution of amendment number two to the Professional Services Agreement with

3867
05:32:26,930 --> 05:32:40,570
That's your tech ink for debris monitoring services and adding financial recovery assistance services authorizing village officials to implement the terms of conditions the agreement authorizes the village manager to execute the amendment number two of the official service agreement and providing for an effective date.

3868
05:32:40,570 --> 05:32:40,990
Terry,

3869
05:32:43,600 --> 05:32:45,360
or Chief, I'm sorry.

3870
05:32:46,500 --> 05:32:49,360
Even in council, sorry, need much heaters and blunt.

3871
05:32:51,040 --> 05:32:58,000
So this was originally done, but forth in the spring of 2017, for remuniting services.

3872
05:32:59,040 --> 05:33:05,880
And we picked via Resolution 1708-52 to employ the professional services agreement with

3873
05:33:05,880 --> 05:33:09,240
Tetra Tech Tetra Tech, babysits, Ashbrit, which is our next one.

3874
05:33:09,240 --> 05:33:13,900
They do all the paperwork verification, collect everything, and they ship it over to us.

3875
05:33:14,560 --> 05:33:21,500
The only difference that you'll see between this agreement and the previous agreement is that there's

3876
05:33:21,500 --> 05:33:28,660
A, a five and a half percent increase, and B, there is the additional aspect of helping us with the closed-out documents.

3877
05:33:29,440 --> 05:33:36,060
Post-Arma, we hired, we had a third company that was doing closed-out documents, we fired them, we hired another one.

3878
05:33:36,060 --> 05:33:39,900
They sucked, we fired them, and we ended up doing it all in house.

3879
05:33:40,280 --> 05:33:41,640
Sorry, being blunt, it's late.

3880
05:33:42,600 --> 05:33:47,060
So what we're doing is we expect the level of service here in the village, that level of

3881
05:33:47,060 --> 05:33:48,200
service comes at a cost.

3882
05:33:48,640 --> 05:33:54,020
We're trying to make sure that we stay competitive in wages and fees, they're all within FEMA

3883
05:33:54,020 --> 05:33:58,360
guidelines and respectfully request the amendment so that we stay competitive so that we get

3884
05:33:58,360 --> 05:34:03,600
the workers and not team B, team C, team D, we want team A, we want to get that worked

3885
05:34:03,600 --> 05:34:04,000
done.

3886
05:34:04,000 --> 05:34:06,520
quickly, efficiently and properly.

3887
05:34:06,980 --> 05:34:14,240
Can you help us understand that this from where I was reading and asked questions?

3888
05:34:14,800 --> 05:34:21,360
This helps us get our money back from FEMA by having somebody that is totally accountable.

3889
05:34:22,140 --> 05:34:22,400
Correct.

3890
05:34:22,820 --> 05:34:26,800
So, what we do is we have one company that goes out and that would be the Ashbrick team,

3891
05:34:27,060 --> 05:34:30,500
his contractors come in and they pick everything up.

3892
05:34:30,500 --> 05:34:33,960
While they're doing all their pickups, we have the team from TetriTech.

3893
05:34:34,280 --> 05:34:38,600
They have field guys that monitor the guys that are picking up the stuff in the field.

3894
05:34:39,060 --> 05:34:41,780
They geolocate and label everything.

3895
05:34:41,960 --> 05:34:49,440
We have some courtesy and audience, please, of talking, why the chief is talking, go ahead,

3896
05:34:49,620 --> 05:34:49,940
chief.

3897
05:34:51,360 --> 05:34:52,820
So, basically, it's every gun and system.

3898
05:34:53,120 --> 05:34:58,180
So as the contractors are picking up the debris, we have a babysitter, basically, that geolocates

3899
05:34:58,180 --> 05:34:59,640
where every load is coming from.

3900
05:34:59,700 --> 05:35:01,420
Then that load gets driven to the park

3901
05:35:01,420 --> 05:35:04,200
or wherever we have our debris staging sites.

3902
05:35:04,760 --> 05:35:07,020
They, another person from Tetra Tech,

3903
05:35:07,040 --> 05:35:09,560
verifies that the truck is a 20 yard.

3904
05:35:09,680 --> 05:35:12,540
It's 90% full, so that equates to a yardage.

3905
05:35:12,860 --> 05:35:13,580
They go when they dump.

3906
05:35:13,720 --> 05:35:15,100
Same dealio, when they load up,

3907
05:35:15,100 --> 05:35:17,180
that we reduce it, whether we grind it,

3908
05:35:17,180 --> 05:35:18,880
or we just drive it over with the heavy equipment,

3909
05:35:19,000 --> 05:35:21,040
reduce the big pile into a much smaller pile,

3910
05:35:21,120 --> 05:35:22,720
load it up in the trucks again,

3911
05:35:22,980 --> 05:35:24,980
take it up to our final destination,

3912
05:35:25,340 --> 05:35:27,020
one of the dumps or somewhere of that nature.

3913
05:35:27,020 --> 05:35:32,520
And then they get their dump tickets up there. Again, another person from Tetra Tech takes dump tickets.

3914
05:35:32,920 --> 05:35:37,800
They measure all that stuff up, collect it all together. They give it to us and then we go to do clothes out.

3915
05:35:38,020 --> 05:35:40,260
Again, previously it was a third party vendor.

3916
05:35:41,180 --> 05:35:47,080
We're asking that Tetra Tech actually takes on everything from debris monitoring to close-out submittals.

3917
05:35:48,980 --> 05:35:51,200
Council any questions for Chief?

3918
05:35:52,180 --> 05:35:52,240
Yes.

3919
05:35:52,760 --> 05:35:53,140
Yes, sir.

3920
05:35:53,720 --> 05:35:55,340
Hasn't been been out has it?

3921
05:35:55,340 --> 05:35:56,320
Yes, sir. Sure was.

3922
05:35:57,000 --> 05:36:02,140
Yes, sir, absolutely has to be by FEMA guidelines, and there was actually an additional back in 2020.

3923
05:36:02,600 --> 05:36:11,580
What I read here is, the old child's only up to direct staff to go through a new bit process, seeking proposals.

3924
05:36:13,060 --> 05:36:15,480
That's correct. You can always do that at any given time, sir.

3925
05:36:16,280 --> 05:36:19,460
That is correct. If it's done at this time?

3926
05:36:19,460 --> 05:36:24,840
this this is an extended contract that has has the last time it was a minute

3927
05:36:24,840 --> 05:36:29,840
was in 2020 so this would be another amendment to that contract to secure

3928
05:36:29,840 --> 05:36:35,020
what has been two companies that have assisted us through Hurricane Irma that have

3929
05:36:35,020 --> 05:36:40,480
done. I wasn't here so it's done a good job and in terms of providing the

3930
05:36:40,480 --> 05:36:46,180
services that we need to provide what that is referring to is we can go back

3931
05:36:46,180 --> 05:36:52,080
to bid. I don't know that I would or Chief would advise doing this right in the middle of hurricane

3932
05:36:52,080 --> 05:36:56,300
season. I think we need to secure these contracts. This is my opinion. I need to secure these

3933
05:36:56,300 --> 05:37:02,840
contracts and we can start the process in November and go out to bid at a later date. But we need

3934
05:37:02,840 --> 05:37:08,160
to lock up these companies because if a major storm hits Florida, we don't want to be left without

3935
05:37:08,160 --> 05:37:15,220
a company engaged I'm not suggesting that you disengaged the company is here with us now

3936
05:37:16,540 --> 05:37:21,420
all I'm saying is be one out to bid this company you could still be be there

3937
05:37:22,540 --> 05:37:31,280
it's still be covered but at some time in the future the benefit of fruit lust that's what I just said

3938
05:37:31,280 --> 05:37:37,080
what did you said what I just said go out and November go out to bid so I think there was some confusion

3939
05:37:37,080 --> 05:37:41,540
about the way this resolution was written, am I right in thinking that the resolution is asking

3940
05:37:41,540 --> 05:37:47,700
us to identify and acknowledge that the prices have changed? Great. We're all in to pay for the

3941
05:37:47,700 --> 05:37:52,500
higher prices, but we already are in with in a contract with these companies. Is that right?

3942
05:37:52,840 --> 05:37:59,320
That is correct. We're in a contract for it in 17. Okay. So we had a cost increase for each year.

3943
05:37:59,320 --> 05:38:05,120
However, from 19 to current, everything's grown proportionally more. We don't want to be offering

3944
05:38:05,120 --> 05:38:09,340
five dollars an hour less than everybody else because the workers won't show up.

3945
05:38:10,140 --> 05:38:14,520
So we're trying to stay competitive with everyone else, all within FEMA guidelines and

3946
05:38:14,520 --> 05:38:15,520
reimbursable rates.

3947
05:38:15,940 --> 05:38:20,200
Those rates were provided by the companies, we're not offering, it's not we're not making

3948
05:38:20,200 --> 05:38:21,100
up those rates.

3949
05:38:21,120 --> 05:38:21,440
Correct.

3950
05:38:22,100 --> 05:38:25,560
And we are already within holding contracts with these companies.

3951
05:38:25,660 --> 05:38:25,980
Correct.

3952
05:38:26,180 --> 05:38:34,260
So what is the procedure by which we can go out to bid in the future at any time?

3953
05:38:34,260 --> 05:38:40,340
We would just create the RFP process and do it like we would in any other company.

3954
05:38:41,060 --> 05:38:45,100
I mean, I mean, what is, because I think that makes sense, but how do we do that this

3955
05:38:45,100 --> 05:38:45,380
evening?

3956
05:38:45,560 --> 05:38:46,780
Do we say, great.

3957
05:38:47,400 --> 05:38:51,500
Let's, I mean, let's approve this, but Ted, let's go out to bid.

3958
05:38:51,620 --> 05:38:54,420
Is that how do we do that legislatively?

3959
05:38:55,520 --> 05:38:55,920
Procedurally.

3960
05:38:56,160 --> 05:38:56,340
Pardon me.

3961
05:38:56,400 --> 05:38:57,700
Yeah, I don't know legislatively.

3962
05:38:58,040 --> 05:38:59,060
We need to.

3963
05:38:59,340 --> 05:38:59,740
Procedurally.

3964
05:38:59,960 --> 05:39:00,420
Pardon me wrongly.

3965
05:39:00,440 --> 05:39:01,480
Yeah, I guess.

3966
05:39:02,140 --> 05:39:06,860
procedurally, I can get direction to council and then, you know, as we get to the end of

3967
05:39:06,860 --> 05:39:08,360
hurricane season, we can start.

3968
05:39:08,400 --> 05:39:09,740
Don't have recurring that.

3969
05:39:09,740 --> 05:39:10,360
And just what?

3970
05:39:10,360 --> 05:39:12,700
Why would we, if we already hold the contract?

3971
05:39:12,920 --> 05:39:15,880
And again, I'm not questioning, I'm just trying to get clarification.

3972
05:39:16,360 --> 05:39:23,100
If we're already hold the contract with these companies, why would there be a problem with

3973
05:39:23,100 --> 05:39:25,820
putting out an RFP for the future?

3974
05:39:26,060 --> 05:39:26,720
It would be a question.

3975
05:39:27,020 --> 05:39:27,700
No, I don't.

3976
05:39:27,860 --> 05:39:31,280
It would do us no good to chase it now, if it's a six month process at best anyway.

3977
05:39:32,020 --> 05:39:36,260
sorry, what did you say we could start chasing it now it wouldn't affect us at all

3978
05:39:36,260 --> 05:39:40,860
this hurricane season so we can do it when all of their work in action is much

3979
05:39:40,860 --> 05:39:45,640
slower and we can have their full attention. The contractors. We could start

3980
05:39:45,640 --> 05:39:49,880
preparing the RFP I mean that's that's not an issue we can start working on it it's

3981
05:39:49,880 --> 05:39:53,480
just we just want to make sure timing wise we're in contract during hurricane

3982
05:39:53,480 --> 05:39:57,340
season with providers that can provide the service that's all we are in contract.

3983
05:39:57,340 --> 05:40:01,540
I mean, and again, that's why I was confused by the resolution, but we already, we are

3984
05:40:01,540 --> 05:40:03,300
asking for the CPI.

3985
05:40:03,700 --> 05:40:03,780
Correct.

3986
05:40:04,020 --> 05:40:04,440
Correct.

3987
05:40:04,480 --> 05:40:04,660
Correct.

3988
05:40:05,000 --> 05:40:07,180
It's 5.5 above the current contract.

3989
05:40:07,580 --> 05:40:09,340
5.5% above the current contract.

3990
05:40:10,180 --> 05:40:12,300
And it's for the tetrotech contract.

3991
05:40:12,600 --> 05:40:15,040
It's actually adding on the close-out aspect.

3992
05:40:16,060 --> 05:40:17,680
Instead of just the debris monitoring.

3993
05:40:18,620 --> 05:40:21,180
I mean, we could go out to bid for at any time.

3994
05:40:21,420 --> 05:40:22,460
We're always covered.

3995
05:40:23,960 --> 05:40:25,700
We're always covered.

3996
05:40:25,700 --> 05:40:27,720
We've got about November and hurricanes.

3997
05:40:28,140 --> 05:40:30,500
So we're always covered.

3998
05:40:31,940 --> 05:40:32,460
Correct.

3999
05:40:33,260 --> 05:40:36,540
So we could go out to bid next Wednesday just as easily.

4000
05:40:38,140 --> 05:40:38,520
Yes, sir.

4001
05:40:41,370 --> 05:40:42,970
Yes, that's correct.

4002
05:40:43,350 --> 05:40:44,750
But we'll always be covered.

4003
05:40:45,110 --> 05:40:46,530
That's the most important thing.

4004
05:40:48,940 --> 05:40:49,640
Go ahead.

4005
05:40:51,980 --> 05:40:54,020
Any public comment for this?

4006
05:40:55,610 --> 05:40:55,890
Morning.

4007
05:40:56,750 --> 05:40:57,450
Any public comment?

4008
05:40:59,110 --> 05:41:01,150
I don't have anyone specifically signed up.

4009
05:41:01,150 --> 05:41:02,550
All right, thank you, Chief.

4010
05:41:03,030 --> 05:41:05,550
All right, so, do I hear a motion to approve?

4011
05:41:05,950 --> 05:41:06,850
A matter of approval.

4012
05:41:08,690 --> 05:41:09,290
Are you a second?

4013
05:41:09,470 --> 05:41:09,950
No, a second.

4014
05:41:10,450 --> 05:41:11,950
All right, Marty, call the roll, please.

4015
05:41:13,910 --> 05:41:14,990
Council member Mark Greg.

4016
05:41:16,030 --> 05:41:17,170
Vice Mayor, Sharon Mahoney.

4017
05:41:18,230 --> 05:41:19,510
Council member Elizabeth Jollin.

4018
05:41:20,430 --> 05:41:21,830
Council member Henry Rosenthall.

4019
05:41:22,050 --> 05:41:22,310
Yes.

4020
05:41:22,570 --> 05:41:23,430
And Mayor Buddy Kinder.

4021
05:41:24,090 --> 05:41:24,270
Yes.

4022
05:41:24,590 --> 05:41:25,710
That motion pass is five zero.

4023
05:41:25,890 --> 05:41:27,670
On, tab 12, please.

4024
05:41:28,830 --> 05:41:33,070
TAP-12 is a resolution of the village council, a lot of village of Florida, a village of

4025
05:41:33,070 --> 05:41:36,430
islands for it, a proving execution of amendment number 3 to the professional services

4026
05:41:36,430 --> 05:41:40,470
agreement with Ashpert Inc. for debris management services, authorizing village officials

4027
05:41:40,470 --> 05:41:43,570
implement the terms of conditions of the amendment, authorizing village manager to execute

4028
05:41:43,570 --> 05:41:46,570
amendment number 3 to the professional service agreement and providing for an effective

4029
05:41:47,110 --> 05:41:47,550
date.

4030
05:41:48,650 --> 05:41:48,710
Okay.

4031
05:41:48,870 --> 05:41:51,170
More second, verse 1 is the first different contractor.

4032
05:41:51,390 --> 05:41:56,930
This is Ashpert, again, in the summer of 2017, we did the RFP process, but brought

4033
05:41:56,930 --> 05:42:00,670
forward to Council. It got approved actually five days before the landfall with Hurricane

4034
05:42:00,670 --> 05:42:06,970
Irma. During the first month or so of pickup we actually had a small hiccup with some

4035
05:42:06,970 --> 05:42:11,810
of the definitions of some of our waste so we had our first amendment to redefine what it

4036
05:42:11,810 --> 05:42:16,210
would cost and what exactly it was that we were all in the future five waste is the nasty stuff

4037
05:42:16,210 --> 05:42:20,730
that comes out of your freezer after it sits unplugged for a week and a half. It's pretty gross.

4038
05:42:21,150 --> 05:42:26,050
They want more money to deal with it. I got love them. They dealt with it. The second one was back

4039
05:42:26,050 --> 05:42:31,850
2020 and that was so that all of our contracts would fall in line with FEMA guidelines as they changed their guidelines.

4040
05:42:32,030 --> 05:42:38,790
We have to change our contracts. That was a second amendment. Third amendment was F dot wasn't cleaning it up fast enough on the side of U.S.

4041
05:42:38,890 --> 05:42:45,790
One. So we went into a five day agreement on a dendom three and that was so that the village would be responsible for cleaning up the U.S.

4042
05:42:45,790 --> 05:42:52,430
One right away because it wasn't meeting our standards. So we decided that we would pick up right away U.S.

4043
05:42:52,430 --> 05:42:56,930
which technically is F-DOT's responsibility, but they weren't doing it. So we went into a men

4044
05:42:56,930 --> 05:43:06,390
met three. That was in November of 17. Let's see. Other than that, it's the same deal. Basically, it's a

4045
05:43:06,390 --> 05:43:10,550
five and a half percent increase over what the current contract states. It would be so that we stay

4046
05:43:10,550 --> 05:43:16,870
competitive. Again, when something hits Randy and his team are here, they can bounce into it more.

4047
05:43:16,870 --> 05:43:23,890
They've got a fleet of upper people that do all the work and they oil the cogs and keep everything in motion.

4048
05:43:24,250 --> 05:43:27,850
Most of his boots on the ground are contractors. Contractors work for the highest bid.

4049
05:43:28,230 --> 05:43:33,590
If we're not competitive, we won't get the highest bid. So again, we're back to getting team B, team C, team D.

4050
05:43:34,030 --> 05:43:37,010
And we don't want that. That's not what all I'm right of once. That's not what we expect.

4051
05:43:37,350 --> 05:43:41,830
So we're going to pay a little bit more and get team A. Get it done right. The first time no complaints.

4052
05:43:43,110 --> 05:43:46,030
And with that, that's all I've got.

4053
05:43:48,150 --> 05:43:48,470
Any questions?

4054
05:43:49,150 --> 05:43:49,690
Public comment?

4055
05:43:51,090 --> 05:43:51,110
Here?

4056
05:43:51,750 --> 05:43:52,630
Any public comment?

4057
05:43:53,030 --> 05:43:54,030
On this tab?

4058
05:43:54,950 --> 05:43:55,090
All right.

4059
05:43:55,350 --> 05:43:55,710
Public comments?

4060
05:43:56,830 --> 05:43:58,490
Any other communication?

4061
05:43:59,310 --> 05:44:00,510
Any questions for the chief?

4062
05:44:01,330 --> 05:44:05,570
Well, similarly, similarly, can we put, can we ask to put this out to bid at the

4063
05:44:05,570 --> 05:44:06,190
appropriate time?

4064
05:44:06,290 --> 05:44:08,010
We would do, we would do both of those.

4065
05:44:08,010 --> 05:44:09,630
Yeah, we would have prepared those together.

4066
05:44:10,290 --> 05:44:10,350
Yeah.

4067
05:44:10,590 --> 05:44:10,910
All right.

4068
05:44:11,370 --> 05:44:12,190
Do I hear a motion?

4069
05:44:16,610 --> 05:44:19,850
I'll second it.

4070
05:44:19,890 --> 05:44:21,590
You want to call the roll please?

4071
05:44:23,990 --> 05:44:28,730
No, I'm just saying it can be put out a bit at any time.

4072
05:44:29,010 --> 05:44:33,950
Just a high line did hear so it.

4073
05:44:34,130 --> 05:44:34,470
Go ahead.

4074
05:44:34,810 --> 05:44:35,450
You all right.

4075
05:44:35,610 --> 05:44:36,130
All right.

4076
05:44:36,230 --> 05:44:37,550
You want to call the roll please?

4077
05:44:37,690 --> 05:44:38,750
Councilmember Mark Gregg.

4078
05:44:39,250 --> 05:44:39,270
Yes.

4079
05:44:39,310 --> 05:44:40,050
Mayor Buddy Pinder.

4080
05:44:40,690 --> 05:44:41,010
Yes.

4081
05:44:41,270 --> 05:44:42,570
Councilmember Lizabeth Jollon.

4082
05:44:43,230 --> 05:44:44,350
Councilmember Henry Rosenfall.

4083
05:44:44,930 --> 05:44:45,270
Yes.

4084
05:44:45,530 --> 05:44:46,670
Vice Mayor Sharon Honey.

4085
05:44:47,430 --> 05:44:49,630
Motion pass is 5-0. Thank you, council.

4086
05:44:51,750 --> 05:44:56,570
All right, no hang on hang on hang on hang on what's I got so sorry

4087
05:44:58,030 --> 05:44:59,290
If we could get

4088
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:09,180
I mean, 10 more minutes. I mean, the proposed military, which is something we're required to do, we have to get that dealt with tonight and past.

4089
05:45:11,060 --> 05:45:25,700
I would, I guess, try to encourage you to deal with the solid waste contract just because we're talking about it other three weeks for them to be able to mobilize and start looking at equipment. If that's not past tonight.

4090
05:45:25,700 --> 05:45:37,200
So, I would move to extend for how much time to have.

4091
05:45:37,200 --> 05:45:40,830
I mean, if you did 15 minutes, we may be able to deal with both of them.

4092
05:45:41,740 --> 05:45:47,460
Let's do 30 minutes, or the end of those two items whichever comes first.

4093
05:45:47,480 --> 05:45:51,500
I would just infernus to this group and to Mr. Yates.

4094
05:45:51,660 --> 05:45:55,380
I would like to know when we're going to have this conversation about tab 7.

4095
05:45:55,380 --> 05:46:02,280
let's let's I need to have that 27th and are you sure I mean I know that you would

4096
05:46:02,280 --> 05:46:06,580
and will that be at the top of the agenda can we talk about that because this I

4097
05:46:06,580 --> 05:46:15,400
imagine the the agenda will be as full on the 27th as it is tonight and and you know

4098
05:46:15,400 --> 05:46:21,260
we now have two more weeks of all kinds of phone calls that go on and that is exhausting

4099
05:46:21,260 --> 05:46:23,400
That's what we need to talk about.

4100
05:46:24,160 --> 05:46:29,000
Well, actually, we had, I don't think we've hit the 15 minutes, so I'm very concerned about that.

4101
05:46:29,820 --> 05:46:35,880
I mean, these are hard decisions, these are hard issues, but we need to make them because that's what we're here to do.

4102
05:46:36,420 --> 05:46:38,920
We have exceeded the 15 minutes.

4103
05:46:39,020 --> 05:46:42,000
We're not right now. It's 11.14. We've got one more minute.

4104
05:46:44,960 --> 05:46:49,240
So in 60 seconds, then when are we going to have that conversation?

4105
05:46:49,240 --> 05:46:51,700
out of fairness to everyone sitting here.

4106
05:46:53,520 --> 05:46:56,660
It can go on in the 27th, it can be upfront.

4107
05:46:56,680 --> 05:47:01,220
Do you feel comfortable that we're going to be able to make time to do that on the 27th?

4108
05:47:01,360 --> 05:47:03,640
I pledge that I'll do my best to make it happen.

4109
05:47:03,760 --> 05:47:07,000
And buddy, do you feel comfortable because that's not what happened tonight?

4110
05:47:08,000 --> 05:47:14,420
And no matter how that goes, we need to get some clarity about how we'll move forward as a village

4111
05:47:14,420 --> 05:47:16,620
on this very difficult issue.

4112
05:47:16,620 --> 05:47:34,160
Elizabeth, I have a question about with Mr. Quick, okay, about this because one council person went to an R attorney and said I want a resolution draft it up for the termination of our manager.

4113
05:47:34,600 --> 05:47:39,600
I thought there had to be a consensus, John, can you quote me on that please, can you.

4114
05:47:39,600 --> 05:47:43,600
So now we need the extension, because I think 60 minutes has passed.

4115
05:47:45,420 --> 05:47:50,620
11.15, right now we have we need to extend five minutes or 10 minutes, whatever we're going to do.

4116
05:47:52,000 --> 05:47:54,160
Let's just make it 20 minutes to be simple.

4117
05:47:54,900 --> 05:47:58,680
So we can cover your discussion, this discussion, and the two items to answer.

4118
05:47:58,860 --> 05:48:04,640
Can we look at the fact that we need to go to two meetings, like we had talked about,

4119
05:48:04,640 --> 05:48:12,080
maybe do that. If we have a full agenda on the 27th, let's look at maybe doing two.

4120
05:48:12,080 --> 05:48:19,980
Let's talk about that. This is crazy. My brain is gone. I moved that we extend for 20 minutes.

4121
05:48:20,020 --> 05:48:21,780
Do we have a second? Yeah.

4122
05:48:23,180 --> 05:48:26,640
So your suggestion is to make a meeting on July 25th.

4123
05:48:27,200 --> 05:48:33,100
I have not a clue. I'm just saying if we have a full agenda in this tab 7,

4124
05:48:33,100 --> 05:48:40,480
it's going to still exist. It was going to take time. So I don't want to sit here on the 27th till

4125
05:48:40,480 --> 05:48:45,320
this time again. So is this suggestion to make a meeting on the 25th and

4126
05:48:45,320 --> 05:48:53,140
accept everybody, whatever everybody else wants? It's not just me. Whatever, but I'm just saying it's nothing

4127
05:48:53,140 --> 05:48:58,640
was going to change. The 25th, the meeting is scheduled on the 27th and we anticipate a full agenda

4128
05:48:58,640 --> 05:49:04,940
And we've already, that's on a Thursday and we're saying,

4129
05:49:05,740 --> 05:49:06,980
create two meetings that week.

4130
05:49:07,100 --> 05:49:11,920
Well, can we let everybody email tomorrow and see what they're doing?

4131
05:49:11,940 --> 05:49:15,580
Well, actually, I have trouble with that because we've done this before,

4132
05:49:15,720 --> 05:49:19,740
and it goes to one meeting that's, you know, into midnight.

4133
05:49:19,740 --> 05:49:20,320
I know.

4134
05:49:20,680 --> 05:49:21,740
Well, we're all here.

4135
05:49:21,980 --> 05:49:23,420
Can we not commit to that?

4136
05:49:23,680 --> 05:49:25,920
I mean, do you not have, do we all have calendars in front of us?

4137
05:49:25,980 --> 05:49:26,160
No.

4138
05:49:26,540 --> 05:49:27,620
Tuesday, the 25th.

4139
05:49:29,780 --> 05:49:35,780
That's the day before many season starts, and then the meeting is the second day of many season.

4140
05:49:36,220 --> 05:49:38,020
Yeah, I mean that's super inconvenient.

4141
05:49:38,160 --> 05:49:39,820
It is intensely inconvenient.

4142
05:49:41,520 --> 05:49:44,760
So does that mean, what does that mean to you?

4143
05:49:47,460 --> 05:49:52,700
If we just put it up front on the 27th, we're going to be here anyway.

4144
05:49:53,480 --> 05:49:56,580
We can make it, we can move it way up to the front of the agenda.

4145
05:49:58,280 --> 05:50:03,820
And will you feel comfortable having that very lengthy and difficult conversation at that time

4146
05:50:03,820 --> 05:50:04,120
mark?

4147
05:50:04,620 --> 05:50:09,900
As long as it doesn't start at 11 o'clock or 10 30 at night, I mean, hopefully we'll get it.

4148
05:50:09,900 --> 05:50:14,480
The idea would be to put it on the top of the agenda because if it starts at the top,

4149
05:50:14,620 --> 05:50:15,460
we'll be fine.

4150
05:50:15,560 --> 05:50:16,600
I'm comfortable with that.

4151
05:50:16,840 --> 05:50:20,920
So whoever, I'm not sure who makes the agenda, Ted, could we put that on the start of

4152
05:50:20,920 --> 05:50:21,340
the agenda.

4153
05:50:21,620 --> 05:50:23,360
And this is kind of silly, isn't it?

4154
05:50:23,360 --> 05:50:25,940
I mean, we're grown adults, we need to address this.

4155
05:50:26,540 --> 05:50:29,220
And I don't know why this is so difficult.

4156
05:50:29,660 --> 05:50:30,700
Do you have any thoughts, Ted?

4157
05:50:31,440 --> 05:50:33,180
I don't know either.

4158
05:50:34,600 --> 05:50:36,780
I'm happy to put it anywhere on the agenda.

4159
05:50:37,860 --> 05:50:39,380
I was hoping it'd be addressed tonight.

4160
05:50:39,760 --> 05:50:42,340
Yeah, I mean, right, so that we could move on

4161
05:50:42,340 --> 05:50:43,600
in some meaningful way.

4162
05:50:44,140 --> 05:50:44,960
But why did I?

4163
05:50:46,260 --> 05:50:47,680
It's up to you guys.

4164
05:50:48,400 --> 05:50:52,300
I mean, you wanted to go through that through, right?

4165
05:50:52,820 --> 05:50:54,960
I'm strapped in already for the ride.

4166
05:50:58,220 --> 05:50:59,480
What, I'm sorry.

4167
05:51:00,320 --> 05:51:01,620
What are you saying?

4168
05:51:02,300 --> 05:51:04,680
I'm just saying this is crazy about talking.

4169
05:51:05,560 --> 05:51:11,040
I think we will make a better decision when we are all relaxed and refreshed.

4170
05:51:11,720 --> 05:51:13,160
And then I think it's not a right time.

4171
05:51:13,700 --> 05:51:16,700
And it does seem unusual that we push this to the end of the meeting.

4172
05:51:16,940 --> 05:51:18,500
And it's unfair to everyone.

4173
05:51:18,500 --> 05:51:24,740
Well, Elizabeth, I'm, I was honest, truth, this is not, this was no intention for me that

4174
05:51:24,740 --> 05:51:25,340
this happened.

4175
05:51:25,560 --> 05:51:26,140
Okay, good.

4176
05:51:26,140 --> 05:51:26,840
I'm glad to hear that.

4177
05:51:26,840 --> 05:51:31,780
I don't like being accused that I'm torpedoing somebody, because I have my own questions

4178
05:51:31,780 --> 05:51:40,760
because only one councilman calls up and says, hey, put this on the agenda or put this

4179
05:51:40,760 --> 05:51:41,260
resolution.

4180
05:51:41,640 --> 05:51:46,520
It should be a consensus, Captain Ed Davis, and just said something about that, about

4181
05:51:46,520 --> 05:51:53,300
to mark about that. So that's that's I have some questions about this. I will I'm

4182
05:51:53,300 --> 05:51:57,920
happy if Council directs we can put it on the next agenda I will promise that I

4183
05:51:57,920 --> 05:52:02,660
will work as hard as I usually work for the next two weeks not knowing what my

4184
05:52:02,660 --> 05:52:07,360
future is going to be and make sure that we are prepared to go into that meeting.

4185
05:52:07,860 --> 05:52:12,580
So start the meeting three o'clock if you want to see I knew she'd love that.

4186
05:52:12,580 --> 05:52:16,540
We have a special call between now and then.

4187
05:52:17,160 --> 05:52:17,960
That's interesting.

4188
05:52:18,500 --> 05:52:18,780
Sure.

4189
05:52:19,800 --> 05:52:22,220
Just have a special call between now and then.

4190
05:52:22,500 --> 05:52:24,020
Would you like to do it as a special call?

4191
05:52:26,540 --> 05:52:26,980
No.

4192
05:52:27,680 --> 05:52:27,760
No.

4193
05:52:27,960 --> 05:52:27,980
No.

4194
05:52:28,440 --> 05:52:32,500
We'd like to do that as a special call meeting because it will be like that.

4195
05:52:34,800 --> 05:52:36,520
It could be any time.

4196
05:52:37,220 --> 05:52:38,940
It has to be advertised.

4197
05:52:38,940 --> 05:52:40,800
We can have it.

4198
05:52:40,880 --> 05:52:41,080
We can have it.

4199
05:52:41,080 --> 05:52:41,160
We can have it.

4200
05:52:41,160 --> 05:52:41,800
We can have it.

4201
05:52:43,140 --> 05:52:44,480
We can have it.

4202
05:52:47,310 --> 05:52:48,210
Be quiet.

4203
05:52:52,480 --> 05:52:53,860
What's up to you?

4204
05:52:54,380 --> 05:52:54,720
When?

4205
05:52:55,420 --> 05:52:59,100
We would need to advertise the special call, meaning

4206
05:52:59,100 --> 05:53:03,160
could be the week of the 17th through the 21st.

4207
05:53:04,280 --> 05:53:05,720
How many days ahead of time for them?

4208
05:53:05,920 --> 05:53:06,840
You have to advertise.

4209
05:53:08,620 --> 05:53:13,040
For just resolution or for to handle a bunch of stuff.

4210
05:53:13,040 --> 05:53:15,700
I mean, what are you asking to put on that agenda?

4211
05:53:17,060 --> 05:53:18,200
Is there a difference?

4212
05:53:19,600 --> 05:53:22,300
We'll sure there's, yeah, there's could be noticed difference

4213
05:53:22,300 --> 05:53:24,280
depending on what we're putting on the agenda.

4214
05:53:25,340 --> 05:53:28,860
I mean, we have to, we have to land use issues that we're on here

4215
05:53:28,860 --> 05:53:34,440
that needs a certain amount of notice that John, you can jump in.

4216
05:53:34,440 --> 05:53:38,340
I'm very tired, but it depends on what you want to put on that agenda.

4217
05:53:38,940 --> 05:53:41,700
I mean, we can tee everything up for the 27th.

4218
05:53:44,160 --> 05:53:54,300
And, you know, if the 27th can have the items that we didn't cover tonight can be placed on that agenda.

4219
05:53:54,700 --> 05:53:58,700
That'll make it a meeting which is difficult, so it's a...

4220
05:53:58,700 --> 05:54:04,540
I want to do a special call as soon as we can. If you've been doing 10 days, 10 days, we'll do it in 10 days.

4221
05:54:04,900 --> 05:54:06,020
Why don't we do it that Monday?

4222
05:54:07,100 --> 05:54:08,160
What does that mean?

4223
05:54:08,160 --> 05:54:10,020
All right, I'm sorry.

4224
05:54:10,720 --> 05:54:11,200
Hello.

4225
05:54:11,220 --> 05:54:11,600
I'm sorry.

4226
05:54:12,800 --> 05:54:13,840
No, that's okay.

4227
05:54:14,820 --> 05:54:15,780
That's okay.

4228
05:54:16,300 --> 05:54:16,760
All right.

4229
05:54:16,900 --> 05:54:17,220
Okay.

4230
05:54:17,480 --> 05:54:18,240
How about can we move?

4231
05:54:18,640 --> 05:54:20,380
Can you get this date?

4232
05:54:20,640 --> 05:54:21,860
Can you check with us?

4233
05:54:22,040 --> 05:54:24,040
So we can go ahead if we've already extended 20 minutes.

4234
05:54:24,220 --> 05:54:25,480
We can go ahead and do the.

4235
05:54:25,540 --> 05:54:28,540
What you ask about the waste solid waste.

4236
05:54:28,620 --> 05:54:29,100
Well.

4237
05:54:29,600 --> 05:54:30,340
Yeah, I want that.

4238
05:54:30,340 --> 05:54:33,560
I need the village and the solid waste or the two that we.

4239
05:54:33,560 --> 05:54:35,940
I don't think we finished the conversation about.

4240
05:54:35,940 --> 05:54:39,000
how we were going to go about scheduling a separate meeting

4241
05:54:39,000 --> 05:54:43,440
for what is going to be a very lengthy meeting on the 27th.

4242
05:54:43,640 --> 05:54:48,040
That needs to be split into two because one of the items are the remaining items from today

4243
05:54:48,040 --> 05:54:50,580
have to go on that meeting and I'm sure it's a lengthy meeting.

4244
05:54:51,280 --> 05:54:54,360
So how will we handle creating a secondary meeting for that?

4245
05:54:55,640 --> 05:55:00,140
Well, we've actually moved through quite a bit this evening and if we cover these two,

4246
05:55:00,220 --> 05:55:02,080
I don't know that this is going to be a lot of carryover.

4247
05:55:02,640 --> 05:55:09,480
I mean, I anticipate this conversation about your contract to be lengthy, and I also anticipate

4248
05:55:09,480 --> 05:55:14,460
that the meeting on the 27th will be lengthy because they all was our.

4249
05:55:14,600 --> 05:55:19,060
And we just know that until we see the agenda, I think that's why Mark wanted to vote tonight.

4250
05:55:19,320 --> 05:55:24,340
My mark was asking to call a vote with making a motion for this, because we already went

4251
05:55:24,340 --> 05:55:28,220
through all this public comment tonight, but nobody, nobody wanted to do it.

4252
05:55:28,220 --> 05:55:32,820
we didn't we didn't buddy because we have to have seven here so now here we are

4253
05:55:32,820 --> 05:55:36,480
how are we going to solve this problem I'm not available next week I can tell you

4254
05:55:36,480 --> 05:55:41,260
I'm not either okay and I don't want to do it during many season week that's

4255
05:55:42,620 --> 05:55:45,340
difficult you know there's a meeting right on the 27th

4256
05:55:45,340 --> 05:55:51,140
anything different I know the 27th but nothing added to that already so the 17th

4257
05:55:51,140 --> 05:55:56,980
through the 21st I have I have an open ended trip so I don't know if I'm going to be here

4258
05:55:56,980 --> 05:55:59,440
So how about Friday the 28th?

4259
05:55:59,560 --> 05:56:02,200
That's, I know everyone has a hot social schedule.

4260
05:56:03,820 --> 05:56:05,600
No, that's something about this.

4261
05:56:05,600 --> 05:56:08,540
Can you answer my question about,

4262
05:56:08,540 --> 05:56:12,080
so would you want to answer my question to the agenda?

4263
05:56:12,420 --> 05:56:13,560
Take care of you, I'll see you later.

4264
05:56:14,020 --> 05:56:17,140
Yeah, I mean, so I wasn't here, obviously.

4265
05:56:18,420 --> 05:56:22,180
When it's a, if it's a, if it's an oral question

4266
05:56:22,180 --> 05:56:24,300
or a request, I mean, that's usually, obviously,

4267
05:56:24,840 --> 05:56:26,960
I talked to the five of you, and we give you

4268
05:56:26,960 --> 05:56:32,340
advice and things like that. But a written one usually, yes. I mean, we went through that, obviously,

4269
05:56:32,780 --> 05:56:38,620
the last meeting with regard to an opinion. So I do think that's part of the important

4270
05:56:38,620 --> 05:56:46,700
thing for you all in terms of the procedures and that we were talking about at the last meeting.

4271
05:56:46,700 --> 05:56:50,520
And this is something, obviously, that I had envisioned building in and I will. I mean,

4272
05:56:50,660 --> 05:56:54,960
it's up to you all if that's something that you want. But that was going to be something

4273
05:56:54,960 --> 05:57:03,500
I would recommend to build in there as to how the council can direct staff to create something

4274
05:57:03,500 --> 05:57:04,480
for an agenda item.

4275
05:57:04,680 --> 05:57:05,380
I wouldn't have brought up.

4276
05:57:05,460 --> 05:57:11,980
When I asked about, to you and Ted about getting something agenda, I was told that there

4277
05:57:11,980 --> 05:57:17,600
needs to be a consensus of council to be able to do that, especially a resolution.

4278
05:57:19,000 --> 05:57:24,000
Well, buddy, it does go back to the request that we made to John and Ted about creating

4279
05:57:24,000 --> 05:57:30,260
some standards. And we don't have those. It is a, it's the Wild West. Let's be honest.

4280
05:57:30,880 --> 05:57:37,480
It's, whatever goes. So, the request was made to, I don't know if, when the intention is to

4281
05:57:37,480 --> 05:57:42,680
create that policies and procedures, the procedural manual, that would be great to see that.

4282
05:57:42,860 --> 05:57:48,180
Yeah, and we've started the process. And, you know, I just, honestly, with some of the issues that

4283
05:57:48,180 --> 05:57:54,100
come up tonight, we've got little sidetracked a little bit in terms of our focus, but I envision

4284
05:57:54,100 --> 05:57:59,360
that coming back to you all fairly soon, night I would hope, but we've started working on it,

4285
05:57:59,540 --> 05:58:04,600
obviously, and we'll have something to present for you all to consider, and you can tell us to go back

4286
05:58:04,600 --> 05:58:08,880
to the drawing board or modify or however you all see fit in terms of what you would like.

4287
05:58:09,680 --> 05:58:14,860
Okay, so Elizabeth, are you okay that we can Ted, can we can, he can shoot some dates to

4288
05:58:14,860 --> 05:58:20,300
tomorrow that we can have these dates to come back and hear whether to 20 if there's

4289
05:58:20,300 --> 05:58:23,120
some time between now meeting on the 20th.

4290
05:58:23,240 --> 05:58:26,320
Right, I know I know I know I know Andrew's a very good as a very

4291
05:58:26,320 --> 05:58:29,840
helpful meeting but but if he wants to do this millage then we only have a few more

4292
05:58:29,840 --> 05:58:37,120
minutes that we've extended so let's try to just focus and on I mean we need

4293
05:58:37,120 --> 05:58:41,560
to create an extra meeting that that is that is what we're just having a discussion.

4294
05:58:41,580 --> 05:58:44,380
I don't think we have to agree to an extra meeting.

4295
05:58:44,380 --> 05:58:49,520
We all just don't care and said that we don't want to have village council meetings that

4296
05:58:49,520 --> 05:58:50,040
go to midnight.

4297
05:58:50,360 --> 05:58:51,080
These go to midnight.

4298
05:58:51,400 --> 05:58:55,880
I mean, there is not an a meeting that hasn't gone to midnight and we're asking for two

4299
05:58:55,880 --> 05:58:56,460
meetings.

4300
05:58:56,800 --> 05:59:01,320
Head said that the pushover from this meeting is likely to be light because we got a lot

4301
05:59:01,320 --> 05:59:01,980
done tonight.

4302
05:59:02,720 --> 05:59:06,660
We don't know what's going to be on the 27th regular council meeting.

4303
05:59:06,780 --> 05:59:11,220
If we put this up front on there, whatever comes behind it, we can push that.

4304
05:59:11,220 --> 05:59:17,980
you know what this is this is the kind of frustration that is very real on this

4305
05:59:17,980 --> 05:59:24,340
council we have we have made a request to fix lengthy meetings and here we are

4306
05:59:24,340 --> 05:59:28,360
like let's not be up we also do is at the beginning of the year we agree what our

4307
05:59:28,360 --> 05:59:33,100
schedule is going to be for the full year and so we plan our lives around that and then we

4308
05:59:33,100 --> 05:59:38,380
have a surprise pop up request for a meeting on short notice and it's difficult to commit to that

4309
05:59:38,380 --> 05:59:39,980
That's what I'm facing.

4310
05:59:40,100 --> 05:59:44,420
We literally, during this meeting, just have a conversation,

4311
05:59:44,660 --> 05:59:48,160
led by Sharon saying she doesn't want to have midnight meetings,

4312
05:59:48,300 --> 05:59:49,320
and we all agreed.

4313
05:59:49,940 --> 05:59:53,620
So in order to fix that, I know, here we are at midnight.

4314
05:59:53,720 --> 05:59:54,620
We're in one minute.

4315
05:59:55,700 --> 05:59:58,940
Yeah, I mean, it's a symptom of a greater problem.

4316
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:10,880
If you can't make the meeting, you can't make it. We'll have a meeting. There's just three of us. We'll have a meeting. That's it.

4317
06:00:11,080 --> 06:00:19,400
It doesn't sound like a consensus to me, Henry. You know, I try to accommodate you, but if you don't want to accommodate me, that's fine. I get the message.

4318
06:00:19,400 --> 06:00:25,620
I'm here. I found a make a meeting before. I fly again.

4319
06:00:25,760 --> 06:00:30,240
Just so you guys know in terms of notice because there was some question about notice.

4320
06:00:30,700 --> 06:00:35,460
Your charter for special call meetings, your charter does require 72 hours notice for special

4321
06:00:35,460 --> 06:00:38,240
call meetings. So that's just to give you that.

4322
06:00:39,520 --> 06:00:42,440
And what Ted had mentioned before in terms of other things,

4323
06:00:42,920 --> 06:00:46,460
most of those are really land use ones that have statutory requirements for

4324
06:00:46,460 --> 06:00:50,900
notice those were really dealing with on the land use issue. It shouldn't come into play for

4325
06:00:50,900 --> 06:00:54,700
the special call meeting. Obviously, if we can't make the notice on those things, they

4326
06:00:54,700 --> 06:01:00,040
just won't be heard. But your charter requires 72 hours notice, unless it's an emergency.

4327
06:01:00,960 --> 06:01:05,140
I'm available for the month. There it is. Okay.

4328
06:01:05,560 --> 06:01:11,960
Who it is, so much you can. All right. Ted, what tab were you talking about real quick on

4329
06:01:13,180 --> 06:01:18,600
to have 14 and the solid waste is to have 15.

4330
06:01:19,200 --> 06:01:19,640
Okay.

4331
06:01:21,740 --> 06:01:24,000
Can we get on with to have 14, John, please?

4332
06:01:24,580 --> 06:01:26,640
14 is the Resolution of the Village Council of Iowa,

4333
06:01:26,760 --> 06:01:27,860
Mount of Illinois and Florida.

4334
06:01:28,080 --> 06:01:31,240
Determined the proposed millage rate for fiscal year 2023-2024.

4335
06:01:31,960 --> 06:01:34,260
Established in the current year, rolled back rate from the date,

4336
06:01:34,400 --> 06:01:37,840
time in place for the first and second budget hearings is required by state law.

4337
06:01:37,960 --> 06:01:40,240
Directing the Finance Director and Village Manager property file

4338
06:01:40,240 --> 06:01:45,020
file and certification of taxable value via e-trem directing the village clerk to

4339
06:01:45,020 --> 06:01:47,780
transmit the resolution in the Monroe County property praises pursuant to the

4340
06:01:47,780 --> 06:01:50,980
requirements of Florida statutes and the rules and regulations of the Department of

4341
06:01:50,980 --> 06:01:53,200
Revenue of the state of Florida and providing for an effective date.

4342
06:01:57,290 --> 06:01:58,030
Okay, council.

4343
06:01:59,870 --> 06:02:00,650
Or Ted.

4344
06:02:01,350 --> 06:02:02,270
Because Maria is not here.

4345
06:02:03,210 --> 06:02:04,450
Maria might be on zoom.

4346
06:02:04,470 --> 06:02:05,370
On zoom.

4347
06:02:05,390 --> 06:02:06,410
Can you hear me?

4348
06:02:06,890 --> 06:02:07,830
We can hear you, Maria.

4349
06:02:09,470 --> 06:02:09,890
Okay.

4350
06:02:11,690 --> 06:02:19,370
So this is a resolution to adopt a preliminary millage rate for the trim notices that go out in August.

4351
06:02:20,470 --> 06:02:30,630
We're suggesting a rate of three mills, which is the same rate that was adopted by Council for the last budget and the year before that.

4352
06:02:30,630 --> 06:02:39,710
A rate of three mills is the rollback rate based on the property values that I provided in the council communication.

4353
06:02:40,750 --> 06:02:45,730
The rollback rate is 2.6634 mills.

4354
06:02:45,870 --> 06:02:52,330
So a rate of three mills is 12.64% above the rollback rate.

4355
06:02:52,330 --> 06:03:07,830
Um, by establishing a rate of three, it gives Council some latitude, um, you know, to adopt, you know, um, a lower rate, um, and hopefully sets a high enough that, um,

4356
06:03:09,050 --> 06:03:11,890
is sufficient for the coming budget.

4357
06:03:13,210 --> 06:03:35,030
So the resolution would establish rate of three, and then Council is also asked to decide on the dates for the first budget hearing in September, and the second budget hearing, and then to select maybe tonight just like two budget workshops, and then if you think a third is needed, we can add that.

4358
06:03:35,870 --> 06:03:44,630
So that based on, we have to have a print ad for our budget in between the two hearings.

4359
06:03:45,170 --> 06:03:55,090
So based on the Q&A status and schedule, our options for our first budget hearing are September 11th or 12,

4360
06:03:55,330 --> 06:04:02,530
which I believe that's a Monday, Tuesday, and then for the second budget hearing, the options are September 18th or 19th.

4361
06:04:02,530 --> 06:04:13,590
And then just realizing that the week of July 24th is lobster mini-season, I'm guessing

4362
06:04:13,590 --> 06:04:20,210
hopefully council can select at least two days that the week of July 31st for workshops.

4363
06:04:22,570 --> 06:04:28,830
So I guess the first item is whether you agree with a preliminary rate of three for the

4364
06:04:28,830 --> 06:04:37,760
And just to remind us, I know we have two new council people that says you're first budget go around.

4365
06:04:38,200 --> 06:04:41,180
You guys may already be aware of this, but I want to, I don't want to assume.

4366
06:04:41,640 --> 06:04:47,320
So the, the, the trim rate that we're that is being proposed today is not the final trim rate.

4367
06:04:47,480 --> 06:04:49,720
This is the, what gets nailed out.

4368
06:04:50,020 --> 06:04:55,540
And the importance of that is that you can go lower without having to remail everything.

4369
06:04:55,540 --> 06:05:01,400
Whereas if you set it low and then want to go higher, it's really kind of cost prohibitive

4370
06:05:01,400 --> 06:05:06,980
to do that because you have to re-mail all of the trim notices.

4371
06:05:07,920 --> 06:05:15,120
So when you look at the trim, I just wanted to make sure that we all are clear that

4372
06:05:15,120 --> 06:05:19,540
that's not, and that the public is clear, that's not necessarily the final number, but

4373
06:05:19,540 --> 06:05:22,100
that's the number that's being built out in the preliminary.

4374
06:05:22,100 --> 06:05:30,580
Okay. Thank you John. Council in discussion. I'll speak to it. Okay. I'm a favor of

4375
06:05:30,580 --> 06:05:45,520
allowing the knowledge to 2.75. My reason is we created excessive funding last year, excessive

4376
06:05:45,520 --> 06:05:49,960
funding this year with the property values increasing,

4377
06:05:51,980 --> 06:05:54,980
has still seen people working the

4378
06:05:54,980 --> 06:06:07,300
publics and check prices, so I tell the story, I'll tell again, I'll go grab some candy

4379
06:06:07,300 --> 06:06:12,280
on the way to check out, the mother says you gotta put it back,

4380
06:06:14,400 --> 06:06:18,560
so that time we took

4381
06:06:18,560 --> 06:06:27,900
some of that extra money, and that may cause us to spend less money and give it back to

4382
06:06:27,900 --> 06:06:28,440
the public.

4383
06:06:30,880 --> 06:06:38,280
So I'm in favor of 2.75. I've been in favor to lower the knowledge last year,

4384
06:06:38,960 --> 06:06:44,680
but I think I'd have been in hospital for a couple of weeks when this was going on.

4385
06:06:50,220 --> 06:06:50,860
But

4386
06:06:50,860 --> 06:06:56,800
show the public that were interested in their well-being and it's not going to make any difference

4387
06:06:56,800 --> 06:06:57,540
to us.

4388
06:06:57,980 --> 06:07:01,680
But it will make some difference to the public.

4389
06:07:04,240 --> 06:07:05,880
This is the preliminary.

4390
06:07:06,080 --> 06:07:06,760
It's preliminary.

4391
06:07:07,000 --> 06:07:13,200
I understand that there's multiple hearings and opportunities before a final setting of, and I

4392
06:07:13,200 --> 06:07:19,080
think Council can have lengthy discussions once they see the budget regarding where the final

4393
06:07:19,080 --> 06:07:26,800
let's get set. I just want to see that. I have everything else. Okay, guys, unfortunately, we're

4394
06:07:26,800 --> 06:07:29,740
at this extent. It's right now it's 11.35.

4395
06:07:31,960 --> 06:07:34,940
We took a long time on that other thing with the

4396
06:07:34,940 --> 06:07:39,740
date. So what are we going to do? We're in the middle of this. Move to extend for 10 minutes.

4397
06:07:40,240 --> 06:07:42,560
Okay. Second. Morning.

4398
06:07:45,500 --> 06:07:46,620
Council Member Mark Rack. Yes.

4399
06:07:47,360 --> 06:07:48,960
Excuse me, Mayor, buddy, Binder.

4400
06:07:49,700 --> 06:07:50,960
Councilmember Elizabeth Jolin.

4401
06:07:52,160 --> 06:07:53,560
Councilmember Henry Rosenzall.

4402
06:07:54,240 --> 06:07:54,280
Yes.

4403
06:07:54,860 --> 06:07:57,780
And Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, motion passes 5-0.

4404
06:08:04,650 --> 06:08:05,930
What's next, public comment?

4405
06:08:06,530 --> 06:08:07,410
We can go public comment.

4406
06:08:07,530 --> 06:08:09,470
We've already, you're done with that.

4407
06:08:09,470 --> 06:08:09,990
You just voted.

4408
06:08:10,710 --> 06:08:11,370
So, we don't know.

4409
06:08:11,450 --> 06:08:12,550
That was a vote on extending.

4410
06:08:13,710 --> 06:08:14,390
Oh, I'm sorry.

4411
06:08:14,890 --> 06:08:15,610
I'm sorry, it's late.

4412
06:08:15,890 --> 06:08:17,210
So yes, it would be public comment.

4413
06:08:19,110 --> 06:08:19,830
That's true.

4414
06:08:20,510 --> 06:08:22,030
All right, any public comment, Marty?

4415
06:08:22,810 --> 06:08:24,290
Not that I'm aware of.

4416
06:08:29,180 --> 06:08:35,340
30 second comment just bear in mind with all the scheduling thing that Ted's contract automatically

4417
06:08:35,340 --> 06:08:41,060
been used on the 31st and he can't be fired without consequences because once it's renewed

4418
06:08:41,060 --> 06:08:49,360
if he's fired then he gets 20 weeks severance which I think Maria costs about 77 grand.

4419
06:08:49,360 --> 06:08:55,340
So, you need to take care of this, and everybody's interest, sooner than later.

4420
06:08:58,930 --> 06:09:01,810
So, we are, let's talk about the village.

4421
06:09:02,290 --> 06:09:02,550
Sit down.

4422
06:09:02,670 --> 06:09:03,550
I was talking about it.

4423
06:09:03,730 --> 06:09:05,930
I'd be happy to move to approve this.

4424
06:09:06,150 --> 06:09:07,370
If no one had 3.0.

4425
06:09:07,810 --> 06:09:07,890
Yeah.

4426
06:09:08,410 --> 06:09:10,870
But the public comment is now closed by the way.

4427
06:09:11,530 --> 06:09:11,630
Yeah.

4428
06:09:11,630 --> 06:09:12,630
I'd second that.

4429
06:09:13,230 --> 06:09:13,430
All right.

4430
06:09:13,570 --> 06:09:14,750
Marty, call the roll please.

4431
06:09:15,730 --> 06:09:19,890
I'm glad the approval is to, to notice at 3%.

4432
06:09:19,890 --> 06:09:24,710
percent, and we can, it doesn't mean that that's what it's going to be said at.

4433
06:09:24,850 --> 06:09:29,690
It's just that the notice is at that rate so that it can be more easily lowered.

4434
06:09:30,450 --> 06:09:33,870
You can, you just, as long as it's within that, then you don't need to sell that.

4435
06:09:33,870 --> 06:09:34,790
We're not going to sell that.

4436
06:09:34,970 --> 06:09:36,110
It just covers it.

4437
06:09:36,430 --> 06:09:37,290
Yeah, you can do it,

4438
06:09:39,690 --> 06:09:39,690
Greg.

4439
06:09:39,930 --> 06:09:40,030
You're not going to sell that, but it's just covers it.

4440
06:09:40,030 --> 06:09:40,970
I'm going to call it roll, please.

4441
06:09:41,830 --> 06:09:42,990
Calce member Liz, Bethjolam?

4442
06:09:43,630 --> 06:09:43,710
Yes.

4443
06:09:43,710 --> 06:09:44,710
Calce member Mark Craig?

4444
06:09:44,770 --> 06:09:45,130
Yes.

4445
06:09:45,670 --> 06:09:47,110
Calce member Hadri Rosen's all?

4446
06:09:47,190 --> 06:09:47,510
Yes.

4447
06:09:48,090 --> 06:09:53,510
Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney? Yes. And Mayor Buddy Pender. Yes. Motion passes five zero.

4448
06:09:54,750 --> 06:09:59,410
So are we setting those the September 11 it's Maria need a meetings set tonight?

4449
06:09:59,750 --> 06:10:03,490
Yes please. These three. Three meetings set.

4450
06:10:04,270 --> 06:10:07,270
One is July 30th through August 11th.

4451
06:10:07,410 --> 06:10:10,330
Or do we have to do three of those? The 31st.

4452
06:10:10,490 --> 06:10:13,690
It depends how many workshops you think you need.

4453
06:10:14,450 --> 06:10:21,670
I, we usually schedule three, but all we need two, I'm thinking if you want to just pick two days for now.

4454
06:10:22,190 --> 06:10:24,750
And then if we need a third, we can always schedule it.

4455
06:10:25,430 --> 06:10:31,230
We can do later in August, but the week of the seventh is when you're going to the Florida League of Cities Conference.

4456
06:10:32,390 --> 06:10:37,470
And then the week of the 14th, you have a council meeting, so then we're getting kind of late in the month of August.

4457
06:10:37,470 --> 06:10:46,150
So Monday the 31st August 1st is a Tuesday, Wednesday the 2nd Thursday the 3rd Friday

4458
06:10:46,150 --> 06:10:52,590
the 4th is what I'm guessing if Council's available to pick today is in that week for

4459
06:10:52,590 --> 06:10:53,270
workshops.

4460
06:10:54,070 --> 06:10:56,530
What kind of what is it like an eight hour thing?

4461
06:10:56,890 --> 06:10:57,850
She's talking now.

4462
06:10:57,850 --> 06:11:06,510
Well, we used to start a month, 330, but I don't know if that's possible now, but we

4463
06:11:06,510 --> 06:11:11,790
We would start at 330 a little bit earlier and then usually ended about 8.

4464
06:11:12,890 --> 06:11:23,210
We start working on the budget on the first day and then when council feels like they want to stop at a certain point, then we finish the budget discussions the next day.

4465
06:11:28,370 --> 06:11:32,410
Okay, so do you guys, can we make that decision now? Or does that need to come through an email?

4466
06:11:32,430 --> 06:11:34,950
I'll just start with August 1st in second.

4467
06:11:35,390 --> 06:11:36,450
I'm good.

4468
06:11:37,450 --> 06:11:38,090
Okay.

4469
06:11:38,090 --> 06:11:38,810
First and second.

4470
06:11:39,130 --> 06:11:39,210
Second step.

4471
06:11:39,350 --> 06:11:40,770
It's a Tuesday at a Wednesday.

4472
06:11:41,090 --> 06:11:41,890
Tuesday at a Wednesday.

4473
06:11:45,550 --> 06:11:47,990
And then a first budget hearing.

4474
06:11:48,810 --> 06:11:56,430
That would have to be on either Monday, September 11 or Tuesday, September 12th.

4475
06:11:58,960 --> 06:11:59,700
Fifty, fifty.

4476
06:12:00,200 --> 06:12:00,220
Tuesday.

4477
06:12:00,220 --> 06:12:01,280
Tuesday, the twelfth.

4478
06:12:02,380 --> 06:12:02,740
Okay.

4479
06:12:02,740 --> 06:12:11,760
And then the second budget hearing either Monday, September 18th or Tuesday, September 19th.

4480
06:12:12,820 --> 06:12:19,340
I don't have meetings on the 7th and the 28th are your regular village council.

4481
06:12:19,740 --> 06:12:22,320
And there's a land use one on the 20th.

4482
06:12:22,320 --> 06:12:29,740
You guys have your calendars for this, but you can't schedule a second meeting for the 27th.

4483
06:12:30,480 --> 06:12:36,100
I mean, how can we, we just had calendar issues. Why isn't this coming through?

4484
06:12:36,340 --> 06:12:37,920
State focused on this for now.

4485
06:12:37,980 --> 06:12:39,280
Oh, okay. Got these.

4486
06:12:39,280 --> 06:12:41,300
Can I use your pen for some reason?

4487
06:12:41,300 --> 06:12:44,180
Uh, can we do the 19th?

4488
06:12:44,180 --> 06:12:46,780
Oh, so we're going to do the 12th in the 19th?

4489
06:12:46,780 --> 06:12:47,800
I like the 19th.

4490
06:12:47,800 --> 06:12:48,180
Okay.

4491
06:12:49,240 --> 06:12:50,440
Sorry. Could you, all right.

4492
06:12:50,900 --> 06:12:52,000
That's all I needed.

4493
06:12:52,540 --> 06:12:54,600
Could you, could someone repeat those for me, please?

4494
06:12:54,980 --> 06:12:58,200
It's September 12th, September 19th.

4495
06:12:58,200 --> 06:12:59,840
are the hearing dates?

4496
06:12:59,840 --> 06:13:01,080
Got involved for me.

4497
06:13:01,180 --> 06:13:04,700
Sorry, what time, sorry, just need more information about this hearing?

4498
06:13:05,720 --> 06:13:08,280
We, tentatively, tentatively, if you want to send it to the free 30,

4499
06:13:08,580 --> 06:13:09,440
and it's part of the time.

4500
06:13:09,440 --> 06:13:11,580
We're, what do you guys want to do?

4501
06:13:14,200 --> 06:13:16,440
And we'll be out of here by eight, Maria said,

4502
06:13:19,080 --> 06:13:20,220
how much we talk?

4503
06:13:21,220 --> 06:13:23,700
The budget hearings have to happen after five o'clock.

4504
06:13:23,920 --> 06:13:26,760
So we usually do those at five 30, but the workshops,

4505
06:13:27,720 --> 06:13:30,960
we've started at 330 if that is OK with Council.

4506
06:13:30,960 --> 06:13:39,520
Captain Paul just informed me reminded me that National Night Out is here August 1st right here on the line

4507
06:13:39,520 --> 06:13:44,460
So can you will you be sending this out in email as a reminder?

4508
06:13:46,600 --> 06:13:47,280
So...

4509
06:13:47,280 --> 06:13:48,080
Yes.

4510
06:13:51,750 --> 06:13:52,430
Okay.

4511
06:13:53,350 --> 06:13:56,730
Would you rather do the second and third of August for the workshop?

4512
06:13:59,130 --> 06:14:07,720
I mean, if we've got national night out and it should probably stay away from the first

4513
06:14:07,720 --> 06:14:10,040
but budget workshop to be on

4514
06:14:12,350 --> 06:14:12,870
the first.

4515
06:14:13,170 --> 06:14:13,470
Yeah.

4516
06:14:13,530 --> 06:14:17,550
I mean, you're going to have parking issues in the second and the third.

4517
06:14:17,650 --> 06:14:19,310
Starting at 330

4518
06:14:23,790 --> 06:14:31,250
and 330 if that works for you council.

4519
06:14:31,810 --> 06:14:32,150
Sorry.

4520
06:14:32,290 --> 06:14:32,750
I'm confused.

4521
06:14:32,930 --> 06:14:35,430
Didn't we already agree on August 1st and 2nd first?

4522
06:14:35,670 --> 06:14:37,350
August 1st is national night out.

4523
06:14:37,350 --> 06:14:43,690
We're going to have second to third. Yeah, the second and third because that's a pretty busy night here

4524
06:14:45,290 --> 06:14:46,090
Thank

4525
06:14:51,820 --> 06:14:56,600
you very much. Thank you very much. All right, Ted

4526
06:14:56,600 --> 06:14:59,980
Are we we got like two minutes?

4527
06:15:00,880 --> 06:15:07,940
If we before we have to extend again, let's just do it now, extend it for 10 more minutes so we can talk about the garbage contract.

4528
06:15:08,300 --> 06:15:08,960
How's that?

4529
06:15:09,100 --> 06:15:10,000
All right, do I hear a motion?

4530
06:15:11,180 --> 06:15:12,580
Move to extend for 10 minutes.

4531
06:15:12,600 --> 06:15:13,360
I hear a second.

4532
06:15:18,590 --> 06:15:21,610
We're going to call, I'll call a second, let's vote, Marty Call.

4533
06:15:21,750 --> 06:15:23,990
All right.

4534
06:15:25,150 --> 06:15:26,550
Mayor, buddy, pinder. Yes.

4535
06:15:26,770 --> 06:15:28,090
Now, Mr. Member, let's withdraw in.

4536
06:15:29,130 --> 06:15:31,510
Vice, Eric, excuse me, council member, Henry Relsenthal.

4537
06:15:31,610 --> 06:15:31,970
No.

4538
06:15:32,510 --> 06:15:33,750
And vice, Mayor, Sharon Mahoney.

4539
06:15:35,850 --> 06:15:41,530
we're going home. We won't have any trash but pick up but that's okay.