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» Everybody,
we're going to we're going to start here

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in just a matter of seconds. If you
don't mind taking your seat, and we'll

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get started.

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All right, everybody. Thank you all so
much for being here.

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Purpose of our meeting today is to talk
about our re-nourishment project that's

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planned for this summer.
Uh and really specifically focus on the

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easements that have been requested of
all of the abutting property owners

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to that project. Uh have with us Mac
McQuillen, the city attorney, Stephen

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Trainum with CSE, uh the designer of the
project and the manager of the project.

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I am Douglas Carr, city administrator.
Have uh Shawn Keuster, deputy

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administrator, uh
Joshua Ace, our public information

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officer, and then uh
some help in the back with with public

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safety and easement execution. So, happy
to be here. Um happy to be here this

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evening with you.
I am going to um just give a very quick

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overview, and then I'm going to hand it
over to our technical professionals, and

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they're going to um
run through some details of the project,

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also details of the easements.
We are then going to have a quick um

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Is there a way to
Do we have a clicker? You have clicker.

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Um
we're going to have uh

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time for you all to ask questions of us
about the project, about the easement,

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uh whatever questions you may have.
Um we are capturing and and streaming

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this video on YouTube.
So, if you if you have a question um

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that you would like to ask for somebody
else, please do so, so you you can kind

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of um
get answers for questions for people

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that aren't here. You can also have this
video as a reference going forward. 2

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weeks from now, um
there's a detail that gets pacey. We

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hope to have this um video available for
you to reference going forward.

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Um
with that, I'm going to hand it over to

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Stephen. Stephen is going to
um well,

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Next bit. Yeah, next.
So, at a very high level, this goes

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through the project. It's a It is a
project that involves moving

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uh 2 and 1/2 million cubic yards of
sand.

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The estimated cost that we're we're
estimating soft cost a bit. We do now

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have bids back, but the project is going
to be in the realm of $22 million.

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Uh it has been said many times uh before
that this will be the city's largest

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ever uh capital investment. So, there's
a lot of attention clearly on the

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project and a lot of excitement about
the project uh for good reason. It's a

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It's a big project. It's a big deal.
Um so, we are very excited for it. Uh

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but there's obviously a part of it that
we need the community and the abutting

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property owners uh
we need the support of those property

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owners. So,
we have 140 different uh property owners

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that are abutting the project, and we
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for each of those projects to know that
it can go forward.

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Again, that's our our primary purpose uh
to be here tonight.

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And our
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easements back to us on April 22nd.
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as as we've mentioned, we have people
here tonight that would be able to help

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you execute the easement if you're if
you're ready to do that. If you're not,

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that's that's quite okay, but we do
uh need to have everybody's easement in

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hand uh by April 22nd.
Uh that information will then be relayed

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to
uh city council, and city council is

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going to make a deliberation
about a final award of this project um

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contract at their council meeting on
April 28th. So, everything is kind of

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lining up for that April 28th council
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So, that I'm going to uh hand it over to
Stephen to go over uh what we can expect

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from the project itself.

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Thank you. Um again, my name is Stephen
Trainum, president of Coastal Science

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and Engineering. Our company has been
around since 1984, focusing solely on uh

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coastal erosion problems and solutions.
Um we've done over 50 large-scale beach

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nourishment projects [snorts] up and
down the the East Coast, very similar to

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this. Um I've been with the company
about 20 years, uh and been working at

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Isle of Palms that entire time. I think
my first uh

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field trip to the coast to collect any
data was coming down in 2007 and looking

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at the the sandbags that were all over
the uh the east end of the island then.

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Next slide.
Okay, great.

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Um so, this project uh in some ways is
very similar to prior projects completed

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at Isle of Palms. Uh we did the first
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equipment, the staging on the beach, and
and how it looks, how the dunes build.

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Um there's there's photos of that back
there, so I encourage you to check that

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out after the meeting.
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the work will be done with a cutter head
dredge. That type of dredge has a

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continuous pipe that that connects the
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Uh so, that that pipe will come on shore
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in the fill center of the fill areas,
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uh to complete the work. Um
next slide.

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Um right now, the project uh includes
removing uh any existing sandbags. The

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state permit for those bags requires
that they be removed. Um so, that would

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happen in concurrence with the project.
Uh in in the areas that are currently

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still vulnerable to erosion, there's
there's a handful of properties,

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including Ocean Club, where water's
still getting up near the building. We

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would coord- coordinate sandbag removal
with construction to make sure that the

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building's protected. We're not going to
remove all the sandbags well ahead of

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nourishment and leave that a structure
vulnerable.

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Um in 2008, we we actually had to build
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remove the bags, and then come back and
refill the that

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void after the fact.
Um I think it'll be a easier operation

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this go around.
Um any areas lacking healthy dunes, we

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will uh build new dunes or supplement
the dune sand that is there working um

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working seaward of any existing stable
kind of healthy vegetation. Uh we are

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not looking to bury, you know, healthy
dune areas, vegetation, anything like

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that. We wouldn't be removing
um sand fence or vegetation or fencing

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or any other kind of uh landscaping
infrastructure through this project. We

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essentially work from the existing
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cliff on the beach, we like to tie into
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the the seaward point of the easement
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the project, we have a a natural-looking
dune system that maintains public access

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to the beach
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berm seaward of there.
The berm, depending on where you're at

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in the project uh right now, is anywhere
between 200 and 700 ft wide. Um 700 ft

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is one of the largest nourishment um
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uh happen anywhere on the the East
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they're rebuilding entire islands, you
may find some wider berms down there,

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but um that's a very wide berm. Uh and
there's some places we may even be a

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little wider than that.
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vegetating uh the dune and trying to
promote uh natural dune growth following

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the project. Uh we will also
strategically use sand fencing.

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Um we we really going to try to rely on
the vegetation to promote the vertical

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dune growth. Sand fencing we'll use to
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dune areas and uh on the public access
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onto the the flat beach and and keeping
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areas.
Next slide.

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A couple of photos of what the the
project would look like. Um up on the

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top left, there's the steel pipe. That's
the the pipe that they use to extend the

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fill down the beach.
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that pipe is staged on the beach. Um
behind the pipe there, you see a couple

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of uh container boxes. Those are
actually mobile offices that they drag

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down the beach uh over the fill area.
And you can see those in the bottom left

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photo when they're on the newly
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Um on the top right, you see a Y valve
where they spread pipe uh into multiple

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areas where they can fill. That allows
them to fill one part of the beach while

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they're extending the pipe on the other
part, and then they'll flip and nourish

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uh one part while they're extending
others. So they they keep that way they

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can keep the dredge operating 24/7 and
not stop the dredge to have to move pipe

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around. Um in some places, you actually
may see four stretches of pipe moving

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down the beach.
As they're completing the project, um

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they generally close off a section of
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zone. That area may be about 500 ft
wide, maybe a little longer. But where

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the bulldozers are actually working and
the water and sand are coming out of the

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pipe, they shut down access to the beach
um to allow that equipment to work

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safely.
Um they move that area almost on a daily

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basis as the project's being built. They
may move 100 or 200 ft per day down the

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beach as they're completing these
sections. So what tends to happen is

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they will they will close off about a
500-ft stretch of beach. They will

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continue to work and and extend that
closure area, and then they will stop

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and kind of catch the back end back up
at one point. So you'll see it kind of

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stretch out and then caterpillar kind of
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working, you know, again, 100 to 200 ft
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There will be mechanical shutdowns,
there will be weather shutdowns, and um

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a dredge schedule is very very
unpredictable. Um From the time they

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tell you that they're going to show up
and start pumping, I would say probably

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add 3 weeks to that at the minimum just
from the history on every project that

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we've ever done.
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And then as they they work, we can tell
you what direction they're traveling,

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what sections of the beach have been
finished, but it gets very hard to

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predict when the equipment will be in
front of a particular house.

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Um we try to do the best we can to to
inform the the public on that. We will

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provide weekly updates to the city that
they will post on their website. These

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will include maps showing the active
fill area, the areas of the beach to be

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completed, the areas of the beach that
have been completed.

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In areas where they can, where the beach

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has a current dune or a dry sand area,
they will try to maintain access where

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you can walk along the the dune line to
get from one side of the site to the

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other. Uh and there's a lot of areas
where they will be able to do that in

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the wild dunes area.
Um areas around like Beachwood East

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right now or the Ocean Club, they would
have to shut down the entire beach and

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you would have to find a an alternate
route to get from, you know, north to

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south across the
the project area.

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Um I think next slide.
Um just the the type of equipment. This

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is a cutterhead dredge on the left. Uh
essentially, it's a barge with a big

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vacuum on the end of it um that sit
sinks down or the the cutterhead goes

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down into the offshore bar area
uh 8 to 10 ft. Um that's how thick of a

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section of sand that they're digging.
Um they'll pump that through the pipe.

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That that slurry comes out at about 15
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uh material coming through. There's
about um 20,000 horsepower on these

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dredges.
Uh and then they will

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uh it takes, you know, 10 to 15 minutes
for the material to actually go from the

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dredge to the beach through that length
of pipe.

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Um you see on the right the the single
pipe that's kind of on the bottom right

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side of the image going

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Okay.
If you don't mind uh Joshua, if you

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could go back one slide. Um
If you would just take a look at the the

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photograph on the right side of the
screen here,

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and part of the part of uh the challenge
in kind of talking through with with

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people
is the idea that in that photograph

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where that equipment is staged, that is
technically the that is technically

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private property. So what's
generally the deeds on this island

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extend private property out to the mean
high water mark. So that's an an

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excellent photograph that shows that
that prop that project and those that

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equipment, those pipes, those are all on
private property at that point. And that

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really is the conundrum that requires
that we get these easements.

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So when you're when you're thinking
through the easement and what you're

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releasing, just have it in your mind's
eye that we're really talking about that

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part of part of your property that is
out and what we kind of think of as the

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public beach. And it is public beach.
The public trust doctrine

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uh
requires that that is publicly

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accessible beach, but our deeds extend
those properties or your deeds really

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extend those properties out to mean high
water. Can you point to what you

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consider the mean high tide?
All right. And this

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And Mac Mac may get more into this while
during his part of the presentation, but

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this is an excellent
uh example of for this property where

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that has now been renourished, the mean
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You can see where it where it goes from
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dry
>> tide?

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That

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It's the mean high tide. So the average
of all those. So yeah, you're right. You

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could have a 6.8 king tide or you could
have a 5.4 or whatever it is, but it's

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the average of all those. And it's a
really it's a dynamic sort of line in a

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sense. Yeah, it I think this is a legal
gray area and I hesitate even get into

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to it, but I I think what the state
would generally consider to be that area

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would be um some people you would use
like the line of stable vegetation

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because the tide never really gets up
over that. So basically the toe of the

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dune.
>> different. I I understand. Um or a line

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with I think the general idea is the
line where if you walked out there on

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any normal weather day, tide day, where
does the high tide swash line stop from

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the dry sand beach to, you know, the wet
sand beach. And that's an elevation of

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about plus five in AVD, depending on
where you're at on our phones.

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Yeah, so again, this this to to me was a
very good example that shows that the

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the challenge of working on

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I think I've mentioned most of all this
before. We would expect a single parcel,

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whether it's a a condo regime or a
single house to be impacted by that

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construction site on the for a period of
3 to 5 days to allow them to move.

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» for your condo? 24/7. They will work
non-stop. They will not work on July

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4th, we've we've been told. Um
So, that that'll be one day of reprieve,

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but um So, why are you doing it at
night?

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Lighting at night, yes.
Um they have since the project will be

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done during sea turtle season, they have
some very strict lighting requirements

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and they will have monitors on site at
night to make sure they adhere to that.

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Essentially, most of the lighting the
lighting needs to be directed offshore

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and not up and down the beach. Uh and
so, they will try to be doing that. Um

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they will have the the biggest issue
that we tend to run into is the backup

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alarms which create a a decent amount of
noise. And if we turn the volume up on

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these videos back there, you can hear
what that sounds like. You said

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offshore, why does it have to be
offshore? It needs to be directed

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offshore, meaning the light plants will
be up near the dune area pointed towards

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the ocean.
So, that if you're looking up and down

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the beach, you wouldn't see them as
much, but you will see lights. It's

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unavoidable that you will see some of
the the lighting for the site.

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There's no way you want to ask a
question about that?

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We do have a whole section of the agenda
for dedicated to questions. So, if you

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don't want to we'll get through uh
Steven, then Mack, and then and then

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we'll open it up for for questions. Yes,
thank you. I I will not be stopping at

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this. Um
If again, if work does shut down for

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weather or mechanical delays, what they
would generally try to do is reduce

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their footprint to the minimum amount
possible, open up as much of the beach

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as possible, but sometimes those delays
are day or two, sometimes they may be a

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week or two depending on what's going
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All right. Next slide.

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Um
So, a couple things to look at are that

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we, you know, would expect to see. We
will not be working under decks, patios,

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porches, or any erosion control
structures

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or houses. Any basically any structure
their equipment will stay away from

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those structures
and generally what would happen is they

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would take their dozers, push sand to
the point where sand starts to fall

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under the like if it's a dune walkover
where it starts to kind of fall under

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the the post of the dune walkover and
then they stop cuz they don't want to

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damage
any of those structures. That may leave

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a void of sand under there
that, you know, an owner may want to

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fill in, but we don't want to risk
damage to the structures and and have

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that on the contractor's liability.
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We will be working up to the point where
you have a vegetated dune

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in areas that we can
or there's an existing escarpment or to

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where over the easement line allows us
to work. There are a couple places

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along the south end especially where the
easement line is farther out on the

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beach. So, there may be a gap between
where our work would stop and the

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existing dune or
escarpment line.

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I think I mentioned the rest of that.
So, next slide, please.

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And this is
one example of an easement. It's kind of

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difficult to see at this scale and and
from this room, but it shows the hatched

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area with the state setback line in the
red which was the

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landward limit of our easement line.
Um as you go further north, the setback

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line gets into the dune field and so,
then we stopped our easement line just

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inside the dune field and we put it in
the vegetation a little bit in those

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areas for one main reason and that is if
we have a storm event that occurs

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between now and construction and you
lose 10 or 15 or 20 ft of dune,

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uh we want to have the ability to
rebuild that dune for you.

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So, we we wanted to move that easement
line as far landward as we could in

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those areas um because we want to be
able to get you back to where you were.

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So, if you see a hatched area that
covers any vegetation right now, if that

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vegetation is there when we go to build
the project, we're not going to bury,

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you know, existing dunes or vegetation.
We would work out seaward of that point.

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Um but the easement we want, you know,
for your own interest as much

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flexibility as possible there.

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I think that's the end of my slides. So,
turn it over to Mack.

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Um Mack from the city
attorney night eight.

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Well, I got to turn my mic on. I get the
exciting topic of beach nourishment

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easements.
Um and I see I remember you from the

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last time we had this back in 2023. I
see my law professor Alan Medlin.

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Um a lot of folks that were here and
this is not your first rodeo with the

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easements. So, some of this will be
repeats um

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from the last time. The first big
question is what why do we need

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beach nourishment easements? Douglas
went into this

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with with that last image. If you go to
the next slide,

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so you can see this is
the image in the slide is from

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uh backyard. That that's why this is
needed is because

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um some of the sand will be placed on
private property. This is unlike the

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last project though where we were
literally like scraping sand up into

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people's yards where the erosion
occurred. And so, that this is this is a

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little different in terms of the
easement area. But that's why the

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easement's needed. All of the work
though that will take place is going to

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either take place seaward of the state
jurisdictional line which is the red

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line as depicted in the image or where
the existing erosional scarp is located.

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And so, and that was in the all's cover
letter. We did and I'll I'm getting a

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little bit ahead of myself. We did get
some feedback from residents that they

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would like that language in the easement
too. So, we prepared an addendum that

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includes that language to clarify
exactly where the easement area is. But

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each of your easements will have an
individualized exhibit with a hash mark

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showing exactly where the proposed work
zone

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um will be located.
One of one of the big questions last

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time was whether we were going to do a
permanent or temporary easement. And um

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we've opted like we did last time to go
for a 2-year temporary easement. The

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city would prefer obviously that we have
permanent easements so that we don't

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have to get it signed and executed every
time and get at quickly in the event of

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a of a storm event or an erosion event.
But we we opted to ultimately

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go 2 years which is exactly what we did
um

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last time.
So, I want to get into sort of an

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explanation now of some of the various
easement terms, common questions we've

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got, etc.
on this.

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The big thing is the language of this
easement is very similar to the um

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language we used last time. Next slide.
Yeah, so again, this is language that

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was based off of the Army Corps's
easement, other easements that

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municipalities have used,
and this went through both last time and

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this time numerous rounds of revisions
from, you know,

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property owner feedback and and their
attorney's feedback as well.

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Um and
I think we've we've got a good good

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product here that that makes sense.
As I mentioned,

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after the easement was circulated, we
got additional feedback this time from

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owners and the city has made several
important revisions in an addendum. My

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understanding is that addendum has been
emailed out to all of the affected

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property owners. We also have copies
here um with notaries and so, if you

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already turned in your easement and
signed it and had it notarized and sent

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it to the city, many people have,
you can sign the addendum here and have

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it fully executed here as well. Um
So, first big piece of feedback and

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change that we made is because
the the the easement area or easement

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location area is not in
not near as close as it was to the

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houses last time in terms of the
scraping,

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we we received some feedback that the
removal of boardwalks and pilings and

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sand fencing and turf and debris located
in the easement area needed to be

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removed by the owner. We
we struck that entire paragraph from

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this easement because that will not
affect the scope of work for this

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particular project. So, we received a
lot of concerns

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about this
to the extent people had things in their

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backyard. Obviously, there's a
as as all of you probably know, there's

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a seawall on the beach too. We received
feedback from that owner as well. So,

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that provision will stay in that.
Next slide is in this in what's called

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the habendum clause at the end of the
easement.

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The
it originally read at the beginning to

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have and to hold all and singular the
easement before mentioned under the city

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and successors and assigns forever. And
we received feedback from several folks

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that look if this is a temporary
easement, why are you putting the word

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forever in there? And so we added to
each of these sentences in the addendum

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clause that it's in accordance with the
terms of the easement. So the only thing

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that doesn't expire after 2 years in
this easement is the release language.

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And the reason for that is the city can
and as engineers, we can't guarantee

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that this is going to stop on that date.
And so we can't guarantee that this work

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is going to prevent erosion in
perpetuity and so that release survives

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the the 2-year period of easement. But
other than that, this is a 2-year

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temporary easement.
Next slide, again we discussed this

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earlier but um
this language was contained in the cover

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letter with all the property owners but
it was not in the easement. And so we

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made sure to include it just for clarity
that that easement

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area where the work will take place
seaward of the state jurisdictional line

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um which is the red line in the exhibit
figure easement or the original start,

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whichever is further seaward.

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Uh signing requirements, this is
important. Last time we got a bunch of

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easements back that we had to send back
to the owners to get fixed because it

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either wasn't witnessed or wasn't
notarized. So um

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if you haven't executed, we have folks
here today to make sure that it's done

450
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,360
right. If you have already done it um
and it's wrong, we'll we'll be sure to

451
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:17,200
tell you. But if you haven't, make sure
that the property owner or owners sign.

452
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,240
Um you got to have two separate
witnesses. It has to be signed in the

453
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,800
presence of a notary and needs to have
the notary signature and stamp on it and

454
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:30,080
we will need an original. So a scanned
copy emailed is not sufficient. We need

455
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:35,160
the original because it will be recorded
in the register of deeds office.

456
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:38,800
And we're the city and or my firm if
anyone has questions about it, we're

457
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,440
happy to like if you're filling it out
and need to know what to do, you can

458
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:45,560
reach out to the city and we'll help
you.

459
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:49,560
All right, common questions um about
easements. So one one of the questions

460
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:54,440
we got both this time and last time is
an easement an encumbrance? Yes, it all

461
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:58,960
easements are encumbrances on property.
Uh most properties have easements

462
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:03,600
whether that's a utility easement, an
access easement. Um the easement in our

463
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:06,720
view is much like a utility easement.
It's it doesn't burden the property but

464
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,960
it does benefit the property by
providing protection from storms and the

465
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:14,720
resulting erosion.
Uh next question, does an easement

466
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:19,160
affect title to property? Yes, it does
just just like any other encumbrance. So

467
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,520
also like a utility easement, the
easement should have no impact on the

468
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,320
market value of your property. In fact,
if your property is protected from

469
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,320
erosion and washing in the ocean,
probably going to be worth more.

470
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:35,960
Um
can a property owner use the property

471
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:40,240
subject to these? Yes, so the easement
specifically has language that um

472
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,240
reserves to the grantors, the property
owner and their successors and assigns

473
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,920
all rights and privileges to use the
easement property so long as such uses

474
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:51,840
do not interfere with the purpose of the
easement. Property owners are also

475
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:56,520
specifically permitted to construct
over water structures subject to state

476
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:02,360
and local regulations.
Um next question was does the easement

477
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:06,400
um affect the title to any property that
may accrete in the future? This is a We

478
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,680
got asked this question a lot last time
and this time.

479
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:14,800
This easement does not. By its terms,
the easement does not affect ownership

480
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:19,800
rights to any property located seaward
of the lots encumbered by the easement.

481
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,400
If accretion does occur in the future,
um

482
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:26,920
naturally property owner may claim title
to that accreted property but that claim

483
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,200
may be contested by the state. That
nothing in this easement is intended to

484
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:35,200
prevent any party from claiming
ownership and the easement expressly

485
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,920
states that. So this easement is not
going to

486
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,440
take or give any property. That's going
to ultimately be up to what the what the

487
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:47,920
law says and what the state says.
Um and then finally and most importantly

488
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:52,480
the deadline for both the easement and
the addendum is April 22nd. If you

489
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:56,359
turned in the original easement, which
like I said many folks have, and you

490
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,320
want to sign the addendum, which will
also be recorded with the original

491
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,760
easement, that needs to be provided to
the city by the 22nd. Because the point

492
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,680
is is if you sign the easement but we
don't get the addendum before the 22nd,

493
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:13,440
just the easement will be recorded.
So it's important that if you want that

494
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:19,520
these additional terms to apply, you
turn in both documents by the 22nd.

495
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,520
That's all we got.

496
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,400
So

497
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Do you want to speak to it?
Yes, Steven's going to speak quickly to

498
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:34,960
the jurisdictional line review which is
coming up and and Mac touched on it a

499
00:54:32,359 --> 00:54:40,040
bit. After that, I would just ask that
if you do have a question that you speak

500
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,520
into the microphone. That's the only way
that the question gets into YouTube. So

501
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:49,640
anybody watching it, if you don't speak
into the microphone, the question would

502
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:52,240
be lost. So if you would just stand up,
speak into the microphone and we'll

503
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,640
we'll
have questions and answer it. Uh go

504
00:54:54,200 --> 00:55:00,440
ahead, Steven. Um I just want to speak
real quickly on the um state's status of

505
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:04,359
their jurisdictional line review every
10 years and I'm not speaking for the

506
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,560
state in this, just going to give you my
um opinion on what's likely to happen

507
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,480
soon.
Um but they are scheduled to update the

508
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,800
jurisdictional lines for Isle of Palms.
Um they were anticipating the spring or

509
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:18,440
summer of 2016. I I think they're
running a little behind schedule. Uh

510
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,920
they will be certainly reaching out for
public hearings and and notices on the

511
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:27,480
draft line review that they do. Um but
nothing with this project by placing

512
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:31,320
sand is going to affect where they place
these lines. Um they've already

513
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:35,240
collected the data and the surveys that
they need or that they're going to be

514
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:40,120
using to determine where they're going
to issue these draft lines at. Um

515
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,120
if you're unfamiliar with that process
along the inlet zones uh which the state

516
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:49,400
defines and you can look at on their
website, they set the baseline at the

517
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:55,320
position of the most landward shoreline
over the past 40 years. So they will

518
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:59,480
look at all the surveys 40 years. Yeah.
So they will look at um the beach

519
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:03,480
condition uh from aerial imagery and
surveys they've conducted with GPSs to

520
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:08,880
see where was the shoreline, which would
be the high tide line um at any point

521
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:13,560
over the last 40 years and place the
baseline there. This is at the inlet

522
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:20,040
zones. And then the setback distance is
determined by the erosion rate at local

523
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,920
uh transects. So every 100 feet or so,
they determine what is the erosion rate

524
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,400
based off the shoreline analysis and
they will include a multiplier of 40

525
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:32,720
times. So if your beach is losing 2 feet
per year over that interval,

526
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,640
then 40 times that is 80 feet and that
setback line will be placed 80 feet

527
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,560
landward of that baseline.
Um so I I imagine at the very south end,

528
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,720
we're going to see some landward
shifting of those lines when the state

529
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,680
proposes those.
Uh along the center part of the island

530
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:52,720
um away from the inlets, they look at
where is the primary dune located at. Um

531
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,400
in most of that condition or most of
that area, the dune's actually grown

532
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,400
over the past 10 years uh but the
state's not going to move the lines

533
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:04,160
further seaward. So imagine that they're
going to stay pretty consistent. Um as

534
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:07,560
you get to the wild dunes area, um those
lines were already pretty far back and

535
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,840
the shoreline has not been further
landward than it has been previously. So

536
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,600
I don't think you're going to see a lot
of change in that area either. Um I just

537
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,320
wanted to point out and make very clear
that whether we did the nourishment or

538
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,280
don't do the nourishment or where we
place sand and that is not really going

539
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:25,480
to affect what the state does with
determining where those lines go.

540
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:28,840
Um I imagine there's going to be some
uh a lot of discussion about those lines

541
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,600
once the state kind of issues their
draft and and has the public hearings.

542
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:40,040
So questions, if you don't mind if you
just come up, speak to the microphone. I

543
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,359
don't know if that's if just tap it, be
sure it's on before you speak it.

544
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,000
Battery died.
Okay.

545
00:57:44,989 --> 00:57:51,920
» [snorts]
>> Um so I'm at 900 Ocean Boulevard and

546
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:55,680
when I'm at the top looking down um
at the just when it's a higher like king

547
00:57:54,080 --> 00:58:01,000
tide or high a little bit higher than
normal or big waves

548
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:05,680
about the Windjammer area to the pier
the waves and the water's coming up over

549
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,040
the berm. There's like a tide pool.
There's like a couple of tide pools but

550
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,880
there's one way back now.
And every time the water gets in there,

551
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:17,400
it's now running down all the way down
the beach to like 6th or something.

552
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,720
And it's like deep. You guys have been
out there, I'm I'm assuming. So I'm

553
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:24,680
wondering, you know, when they do the
replenishment, do they plan on filling

554
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,320
that in a little bit because that would
be key because right now like every time

555
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:32,840
there's a you know, any kind of waves or
high king tide or anything, that's just

556
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:36,960
kind of eroding a a line
not even in the middle of the beach like

557
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,359
closer to like the houses and like a big
chunk of the beach is just going to get

558
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:44,920
separated. But if we fill that in, you
know, that'd be amazing. Is that's part

559
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:48,840
of the plan? Just curious. That would be
part of the plan. So fortunately, the

560
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,760
those are there because you're getting a
lot of natural accretion from the north

561
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,359
that's kind of moved through the pier
and you're getting these ridge and

562
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,320
runnel systems that are migrating up the
beach and there's so much sand that it

563
00:58:56,359 --> 00:59:02,560
kind of builds a little island past the
dune and and it takes a big tide to

564
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:07,120
overtop that and push it up to the the
dune. Um but this project would fill in

565
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:11,520
those areas uh
certainly they they may they may not be

566
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:15,840
there by June or July or whenever we get
there. Not going to look but

567
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:19,040
Like you know, I'm hoping we get it's I
feel like the wind has stopped in the

568
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,680
last year or so cuz when the windy days,
you know, all that sand blows up and we

569
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:27,400
just haven't had as much of that. Been a
lot of like not you know, coming from

570
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:30,120
the ocean in as much. So I just noticed
it hasn't been building as much in the

571
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:34,560
last year or so.
So that that helps too. I like less

572
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:40,120
light wind cuz that's small waves. Yeah.
a big wave.

573
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,120
Okay. All right. Thank you guys.

574
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,240
First

575
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:49,880
of all, thank you. I'm at 130 Ocean
Boulevard, Cindy Solomon. I haven't seen

576
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:54,120
the addendum, but from what you're
showing that was a good positive. Thank

577
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:59,840
you. I did have one question though,
Matt, and for you and David, which is

578
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:03,440
the hold harmless part. I struggle with
there not being some exception for

579
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,320
negligence or at least gross negligence
regarding a contractor. Personal injury

580
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,680
is a big deal.
Um

581
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:14,080
We struck That was in the easement The L
sign before there's no hold harmless

582
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,720
language in the season. So Okay, go
ahead. It just This has the release

583
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,840
language, but not the indemnity and hold
harmless.

584
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:25,120
All right. So it's releasing the city,
but it's not I just I understand it's

585
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:29,480
not releasing the contractor if there
was an issue,

586
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:34,160
say a bulldozer runs over a child or in
your property your bulldozer just I

587
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:38,280
don't know hit something and the
bulldozer driver sir. I mean, I just

588
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:44,360
want to make sure that on our property
as we've defined it here that this

589
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:49,080
doesn't create something that excludes
gross negligence for sure.

590
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:53,160
And I think the city would want wouldn't
want that either for themselves or

591
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:57,960
itself. I'm looking at the lots of the
language that wasn't here that we struck

592
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:02,400
and primarily due to Alan Metelmann, our
law professor's comment was that grantor

593
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,840
hereby agree and hold harmless and
indemnify the city its officials

594
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,920
inspectors advisors and contractors from
any all loss or damage including

595
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,240
attorney's fees
incurred as a result of any claims

596
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:15,680
against the city or its officials agents
employees inspectors or advisors for

597
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,880
personal injury or property damage in
connection with the city's work

598
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,200
contemplated here and except to the
extent such loss is caused by any

599
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:26,240
negligent reckless act of the city its
officials agents employees inspectors or

600
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,960
advisors. We struck that entire
paragraph. We struck part of it, but we

601
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,360
still have Ours says grantor hereby
releases the city and its officials. We

602
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,960
don't have all the hold harmless
language, but it still in effect seems

603
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:41,600
to suggest we're releasing them.
And again, we can talk offline, but I do

604
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,120
still have a concern about that
paragraph and I'm greatly appreciative

605
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:49,800
of everything else for sure and your
willingness to work with us on this.

606
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:53,320
But I again for the city's sake and my
own, I just want to make sure that there

607
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:57,920
aren't repercussions in the event of
gross negligence particularly and

608
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:02,000
negligence as well.
I'm not looking for anything regarding

609
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Mother Nature for sure.
But you know, if that driver's you know,

610
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:11,960
been awake 24/7 and
there's a real issue. I I don't feel

611
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:16,840
that we should, you know, release that
situation.

612
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,840
Thank you.

613
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:25,480
I agree I agree with Cindy.
That was a concern of mine because

614
01:02:24,678 --> 01:02:30,360
» [clears throat]
>> I saw negligence this whole summer

615
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:36,320
by the
Army Corps and I was very concerned when

616
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:41,360
I saw little kids this the rate of speed
that some of the truck drivers were

617
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:45,280
driving down. So I think it's a concern
because as you say, we're the property

618
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:51,440
owner all the way out to the high the
mean high water mark. So

619
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:55,400
that language needs to be repaired in in
the lease because if

620
01:02:53,240 --> 01:03:00,520
if a truck driver is asleep like she
says a dozer driver

621
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:04,280
you know, isn't seeing all the way
around. It certainly releases you as a

622
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,720
city, but it doesn't release me as a
homeowner.

623
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:13,200
So there has to be some protection in
that for us as a homeowner. And my other

624
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:18,120
question is to Steve. I was here in
2018, Steve.

625
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:23,200
And I have pictures of no sand in front
of my house and no dune bait. But when I

626
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:27,680
called the city administrator who was
Linda Tucker at the time

627
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,680
and the mayor
the response I got was

628
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:36,480
the sand was allocated for our end of
the ocean, but it all went to Wild

629
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:41,280
Dunes.
And in your talking about all the

630
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:45,760
measurements of how much sand is going
to go

631
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:49,640
to that end of the island versus our end
of the island

632
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:54,680
how do I know you're not going to
get all the appropriate sand which

633
01:03:51,400 --> 01:04:01,440
happened at our time in 2018. The amount
of appropriate beach sand that was

634
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:07,480
compatible was used up. And it went to
Wild Dunes and there was no more for our

635
01:04:04,359 --> 01:04:13,120
end of the ocean. And also through the
FOIA requests, I found out that you

636
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:19,400
mentioned again tonight sand fencing and
plantations plantings

637
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:22,760
that never happened on our end. But
plants were

638
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,720
put in.
Desiree pointed it out when Matt Slaiger

639
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:32,680
was there because that's a state
requirement. And it happened in Wild

640
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:38,800
Dunes and I have letters requesting
could we get together

641
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:44,200
volunteer get small plugs planted. It
never happened on our end. So what

642
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:49,440
assurance do I have that this uh
sand fencing or planting's going to

643
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:55,320
happen on the whole beach not just a
particular part of the beach.

644
01:04:51,640 --> 01:05:00,320
So back in 2018
following hurricanes Matthew and Irma in

645
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:05,240
2016 and 17, we had a lot of dune
recession in the south end

646
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:08,760
and the city we were able to get
I can't remember if it was a modified

647
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:13,880
permit, but we added the south end as a
potential spot for fill kind of at the

648
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:18,720
last minute through that permitting
process. The city never identified

649
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:24,520
funding to actually include that in the
project and we saw a fair amount of

650
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,520
beach recovery

651
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:32,240
from 2017 to 2018 and it really wasn't
money for it identified anyway. So we

652
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:36,080
weren't just able to
implement a project. It wasn't that we

653
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,920
ran out of sand and so we couldn't do it
at the end. It's just there wasn't money

654
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:44,040
identified at that No, I have letters
that tell me exactly what happened

655
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:49,240
because it was a grave concern and I
also found out that um

656
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:53,600
it was only through putting the sand in
our end that the permit went through. So

657
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,880
I don't want to debate that tonight cuz
that's a whole another legal issue. I

658
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:02,680
just want to get on record assurances
from you that the appropriate sand is

659
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,960
going to be allocated to our end and
there's not going to come up with no

660
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:11,600
funding or
the appropriate beach sand is not

661
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,040
available. Yeah, well there's there's
plenty of sand available. It's been

662
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:20,960
included in the bid that the council
will consider on the 28th. It's up to

663
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:23,359
council to decide if they want to
place that sand there or not. Yeah,

664
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:28,000
because
we had a concern at your meeting the

665
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:31,800
last time that you
you put the numbers down for our end of

666
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:36,080
the
the beach sand and that was a grave

667
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:41,359
concern to all of us that live on this
end why you would put that language in

668
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:45,480
there that the amount you
reduced it.

669
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Are you referring to the the bid
document that we

670
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:53,640
» Yes, yes. The reason why the bid
document goes out at a lower value is

671
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:58,160
because you're trying to make sure that
when bids come back, they fall within

672
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:02,080
the budget that the city had allocated.
It wasn't that that was the project we

673
01:07:00,359 --> 01:07:07,160
were hoping to do. We just wanted the
flexibility that should bids come in

674
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:13,280
higher, we still have a valid project
and we can award up to the permitted or

675
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:17,640
budget allowable maximum. So how did you
calculate that this end would have less

676
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:22,760
in the bid?
How did you separate the two bids?

677
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:26,400
Well, we look at the existing condition
of the beach. We look at the amount of

678
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:30,200
sand that the core placed and what we
were actually able to measure stayed on

679
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:35,520
the beach with that core project which
was over 300,000 yards.

680
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:41,000
Because the sand didn't stay. I mean,
it's in the inlet and it's in Sullivan's

681
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Island. It migrated and it and around to
the

682
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:48,480
I mean, I walked that shoreline today
from the pier to Breach Inlet. There's

683
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:53,760
almost 200 feet of dry sand in front of
the dune along that entire area. Okay.

684
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,160
Well, yeah, we haven't had significant
king tides yet.

685
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:02,200
But we've been able to measure a lot of
it recently. So that that was part of

686
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:06,440
the the calculation in
the bid structure. Again, we are

687
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:11,000
recommending that they place the full
100 800,000 yards of sand there

688
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:17,160
and potentially more, but that's
something we're you know, still

689
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:21,040
reviewing. So is the bid lowering to uh
make the bid come in financially at a

690
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,920
certain
uh budget number? Is that Is that what

691
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:30,880
your point is?
I would I would answer that the city had

692
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:35,120
planned our budget for the project was
$32 million.

693
01:08:32,759 --> 01:08:41,200
City did not have $32 million, but that
was what we thought the project probably

694
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:44,719
would come in at.
The thing we were guarding against is

695
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,799
what if the bids came in and it and it
happens unfortunately with a lot of our

696
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:54,120
projects. What if it came in at $50
million? Mhm. If it came in at $50

697
01:08:51,240 --> 01:09:01,040
million and we had to dial back the
project if we did not have a minimum bid

698
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:04,280
amount we would have to start that bid
process all over again. We'd have to

699
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:09,880
scrap the entire process, start from
scratch and go back to it. So it's just

700
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:14,920
a safeguard in the event that your
planning number is off and it goes the

701
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,799
wrong way. It's way more expensive than
what you planned for.

702
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:21,880
You still have the ability but
cuz otherwise if you don't have that

703
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,960
amount, the bidders would just say, you
know, I'm not going to do the work

704
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:28,600
because it's not it's not worth our
effort and you'd have to restart the

705
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:33,279
bidding process.
>> So, and I don't know that we've really

706
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:37,799
talked about it here, but but we have
the good news of

707
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:41,600
I think what could be the best bids that
we've had that I think that Stevens

708
01:09:39,799 --> 01:09:46,839
firm, who does a lot of this work, has
seen in 20 years. So, it's the It It is

709
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:51,680
the lowest cost for a project that that
we've seen in a very, very long time. I

710
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:56,040
think lower than the 2018 cost, which is
just unheard of for any other project

711
01:09:54,160 --> 01:10:01,200
that the city has done.
So, we have the luxury, I guess,

712
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:06,360
of having
uh a lot of room between what we're

713
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:12,280
planning for and the actual bids
to I hope I I hope it would be an easy

714
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:18,680
um decision for city council to go with
the absolute maximum permitted um

715
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,960
My expectation is that would be an
amount that they could comfortably do.

716
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:28,200
So, that was a bid a bid maximum and
minimum, not a It's a permit maximum.

717
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:32,240
» maximum.
>> minimum. Bid minimum. Okay. That So,

718
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:35,440
those are kind of the two the the floor
and the ceiling that we're we're having

719
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:41,160
to work between.
So, it wasn't lowering the amount you

720
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:46,280
were putting on for the permit. It was
lowering for the financial bid. That's

721
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:51,080
correct. And And it was to safeguard,
again, in the event that we planned for

722
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:56,320
32, we get bids back that what we want
to do is 50, and we just can't make that

723
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:59,720
happen, can't pull together the money,
we would still have a viable project.

724
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,560
That's my
>> what we wanted, but it would be viable,

725
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:07,240
and we could do something
because, unfortunately,

726
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:10,920
generally when the city goes out to bid,
things come back

727
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:15,200
more often than not higher than we had
planned instead of lower, so. I

728
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:20,320
understand that. Back to Steve about the
sand fencing and the vegetation. Is that

729
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:23,280
in the bids? You You mentioned you're
going to do that. Who's going to do it?

730
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:27,560
And
is the

731
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:32,440
funds already there to do that, or is it
going to be the whole um ocean front? Or

732
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:37,560
how are you planning that? Yeah. So, I
believe the city has um at least $75,000

733
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:41,120
set aside for sand fencing and
vegetation. We would include that

734
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,720
um
Again, focusing heavy on the vegetation

735
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:50,200
part of it is our recommendation. Sand
fence works really well, but um

736
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:53,440
they both accomplish growing dunes, and
you know, the issue with sand fences it

737
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:59,600
turns into debris to debris during
storms. Yeah. Um but But it works. It It

738
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:05,200
works for building dune because after we
had those, we were one of only

739
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:12,120
uh two people that put up sand fencing
and vegetation, and it just grew ex- It

740
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:16,200
It absolutely works. And also just
putting plugs in. I know Pawleys Island

741
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:21,760
and other islands got their city
together and volunteered to plant the I

742
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:26,080
tried to get the city here to do that.
Just let us volunteer to plant the

743
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:31,680
plugs, you know, which aren't that
expensive, and get the whole um

744
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:37,560
coastline done with vegetation like that
on a volunteer basis to help plant it,

745
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:41,800
you know, on It's our It's our property,
so we don't need city [snorts]

746
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:46,080
permits to plant. That worked really
well in other areas. Again, we'll be

747
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:50,240
working with the city to put out a a bid
or a request for quotes from the um the

748
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:55,480
groups that specialize in that. There's
a handful of companies that That's what

749
01:12:52,000 --> 01:13:00,120
they do. Um and that would happen, you
know, immediately following the project

750
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:05,040
as long as it's a Well, heads up. Last
year all their uh

751
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:07,760
plantings died because of a
a

752
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:12,360
storm that they had come in in the
south, so

753
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:15,680
uh plugs weren't even available because
I know I tried to get them. They weren't

754
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:20,160
available, so they're not always
available if the weather freezes in

755
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:25,640
certain areas and that. But my question
still was who's going to determine where

756
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:28,960
that's going to happen. If it's $75,000,
it's not that

757
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:32,720
much for all of that. So, how is the
city going to determine

758
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:37,320
where who's going to get the plantings,
or where you going to put the plantings?

759
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:41,760
Well, we we would map out the um
alternatives as far as if you want to

760
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:46,000
cover X number of feet and with the
density and width of, you know,

761
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:50,680
different scenarios. Generally, they're
18 in or 24 in apart.

762
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:54,360
Um You can plant the crest of the dune,
the slope of the dune, and even a a

763
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:57,560
little bit in front. Uh so, we would
present them a couple of different

764
01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:02,440
options, and then it would be up to them
to decide how much they wanted to fund.

765
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:06,880
» So, the city controls that, not m- not
you. You're just making recommendations,

766
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:09,720
but the city council has to approve the
budget and where

767
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,480
where it's going to go.
>> It'll be a separate It'll be a separate

768
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,680
bidding process, separate project, but
it is in our plans to do. Cuz I know the

769
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:19,840
state requires it. They require the the
plantings.

770
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:25,120
Um
It's in the legal from the state. Um

771
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:30,440
The other thing I I was wondering about,
do you have a paper where uh

772
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:34,400
we as homeowners can read where the the
budget is coming and how it's allocated

773
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:39,000
and where it's coming from? You kind of
state what it is, but like is some

774
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:43,800
coming from A tax, some is coming from
the city? Like we can actually go in and

775
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:47,080
see where the funding's coming from, the
22 million that

776
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:51,000
» Yes. you're talking about. Um Yes, it
just so happens council held a budget

777
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:55,560
workshop
maybe yesterday. Was it yesterday? Uh

778
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:59,680
so, this this is in their discussions
right now for the upcoming budget.

779
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,000
This is probably
too much detail for for the room,

780
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,560
» Right.
>> but these new bids, if the city were to

781
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:11,080
do the maximum amount of the project
permitted,

782
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:15,200
uh and use all of our beach preservation
funds,

783
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:19,480
deplete those down to a minimum amount
of leaving $2 million in that fund,

784
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:23,440
uh along with the wild dunes
contribution, we do have a grant from

785
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:29,360
the state right now for about a million
and a half.

786
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:35,640
That leaves uh about a three $3 million
gap still. That $3 million gap would be

787
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:40,920
split between uh
state municipal accommodations tax and

788
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,960
city municipal accommodations tax
evenly.

789
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:48,680
That's the staff's proposal to council.
That That decision would actually be

790
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:52,560
made as part of the budget process,
which happens to be going on all the

791
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:56,120
same time. So, that's the plan is to
fund that gap through those existing

792
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:58,320
funds. Okay, that's interesting. Thank
you very much.

793
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:02,520
» Thank you.
Um I want to follow up on one question

794
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:04,640
that was asked just a second ago on the
um

795
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,440
gross negligence.
Uh I don't disagree at all with that. I

796
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:12,160
will I just wanted to point out that
this project is It looks a lot different

797
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,640
than the trucking projects or the
scraping projects or even what the core

798
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:19,120
did.
Uh they put up sand or construction

799
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:23,440
fencing on either side of the active
construction area, and they usually have

800
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:27,200
people stationed at each end of that
fencing to keep public from coming into

801
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:31,040
the active work area. So, it is a much
more controlled

802
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:35,280
um construction environment. Of course,
that does not eliminate all risk or

803
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:39,560
anything, but it is uh it's a much
different looking project, so uh just

804
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:43,920
wanted to to mention that. So, to
piggyback on that, too, we like

805
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:48,280
this release language was shared with
the contractors, and given that they're

806
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:51,560
like the last project we did, there were
multiple lawsuits by homeowners, so

807
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,960
they're obviously
on guard, and so this was language that

808
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,480
was specific in in the last season, but
it was

809
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:02,800
They said do not take this out of this
season. I think it will be difficult for

810
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:07,360
the city to find folks willing to work
given that 15 plus homeowners filed

811
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:12,680
lawsuits against the city and others
based on the last project. So, No, and

812
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:16,360
and I and I completely understand that
there's a give and take with all of

813
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:20,280
this. It's just And that's where I kept
at least trying to say at least gross

814
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:25,400
negligence. I don't think anyone should
be released from gross negligence.

815
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,880
Um you know, that is a very high bar as
you know, but it is a bar. So, I mean, I

816
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:32,840
just think that the city and the
individuals should be should be aware of

817
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:37,160
that because so much of it is out of our
control. I promise you, I'm not looking

818
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:40,560
for
I'm just looking for that protection in

819
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,560
that rare case that because this is all
beyond our ability. We're not involved

820
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,680
with who's hired. We don't know their
schedule. We don't know

821
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:49,880
you know, we don't know if our our
neighbor has a small child that showed

822
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:53,720
up yesterday that's never been here
before that extra eyes need to be on

823
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:58,080
during, you know,
that's all that I'm trying to to is ask

824
01:17:56,440 --> 01:18:02,880
you to to look at that from that
standpoint. I want this project done

825
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:06,040
badly, okay? But I there's just a point
where you have to kind of at least

826
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:09,880
express that there's a line I think we
we really need to be looking at it that

827
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:12,520
gross negligence. That's all. Willful
want, you know, you know the words.

828
01:18:12,474 --> 01:18:16,440
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, I And thank you. And I recognize

829
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:20,080
the difficulties with that. It is kind
of It was put in our when we were

830
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:23,800
building walls, you all wanted something
we couldn't give you, which was an

831
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,440
engineer that would say with 100%
certainty that a wall could be built and

832
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:31,760
there would never be damage to our
neighbors, and it could never be signed.

833
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:35,640
It was in effect a you know, a a you
know, it was an ordinance that wasn't

834
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,960
ever employed because of that. So,
language does mean a lot, and I

835
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:44,440
recognize you're correct. It's hard to
find a contractor who's going to agree

836
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:48,120
to that if they've been sued 15 times.
On the other hand, we also need to look

837
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:51,920
out for the interests of ourselves at
least at a compromise, and maybe the

838
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,240
gross negligence would be the
compromise.

839
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,040
Thank you. And thank you for adding that
information in.

840
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:09,880
Um
when you're right on top of it and

841
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:16,880
watching it 24/7, you get a a view that
you know, when you only walk the beach

842
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,880
one day or two days or five times.

843
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:23,920
The comment about equipment when it's
broken and they stop using it,

844
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:28,000
that at least with the Army Corps of
Engineers did not happen. There were

845
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:31,600
times where they were using equipment
that they shouldn't have been using

846
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:37,200
because it was
broken, but yet and because of the noise

847
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:41,960
and maybe their deadlines, they
continued to use it and it was so

848
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:44,240
obtrusive. I mean, our houses were
shaking.

849
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,960
And
it was

850
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:51,320
you know, you could see on the fourth
day when they finally fixed it that they

851
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:54,680
realized they had a problem. But when
you're in a situation like that, what

852
01:19:52,920 --> 01:20:01,320
does the homeowner do?
Am I supposed to call you? Yes. Yeah,

853
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:04,600
and we we do take those phone calls at
some of them we can deal with. We can

854
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,000
certainly relay it
to the contractor. You know, we've

855
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:11,920
received these complaints.
And and generally I will say they're

856
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:15,680
they're agreeable to to making
modifications if they can and sometimes

857
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:20,200
they just can't.
Um but but yes, if you have a concern or

858
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:26,640
problem with an active
part of the project, call us, let us

859
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:30,120
know. We will definitely reach out um
to the to the contractor and to the

860
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,560
team. Make them aware.
>> like there's going to be a big

861
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:37,840
difference between what the Army Corps
was doing and what this new team will be

862
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:41,480
doing because there was a lot of danger
towards the end, especially when the

863
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:44,400
beaches started filling with kids and
they were climbing on the pipes even

864
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:50,320
where the
the dredge was coming out. I mean, and I

865
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:54,880
saw people getting dangerously close to
that effluent that could kill someone

866
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:58,880
and I was shocked because there's only
one person to even stop,

867
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,320
you know,
so many.

868
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:07,200
And and just in the side, I've grown a
lot of grass on the dune. If it doesn't

869
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:11,880
get watered
and if we have a drought,

870
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:16,360
that $75,000 you're going to spend is
just going to die.

871
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:22,040
I mean, it has to be watered and so the
individuals that are

872
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:26,080
in their dune or in their space, they
have to maintain it or it's not going to

873
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:29,600
do any unless we're having a lot of
rain.

874
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:34,120
But without watering, you can plant
everything you want and it's not going

875
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,120
to live.

876
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:47,880
I'd like to address the plants for you.
They um city doesn't state what kind of

877
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:52,320
plants DES says and all the only
acceptable plants that they allow, you

878
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:55,920
can go in their website and find it.
Um

879
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:58,680
they don't need to be watered. So, those
grasses

880
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:02,480
» I put in large plants Yeah, but see, we
do if you do that cuz they'll they'll

881
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:06,480
come and walk and let you know if you
have the wrong plantings. I know we

882
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:11,120
experienced it. So, they they have the
certain plants that they allow and the

883
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:16,640
sea grasses that they allow only on on
the dune cuz that's under their purview

884
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:18,840
and they don't need to be watered. So,
to assure you, those kind will live.

885
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:22,600
Yeah.
>> How about being in small plants Yeah.

886
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,640
Yeah.
Well, we

887
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:31,480
» fantastic. Yeah. Miss Miss Vanderham, if
we could have other

888
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:31,480
other questions um if anybody has any.

889
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:36,120
Hi there.
Uh first of all, thank you for your

890
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:39,240
efforts. Everything's appreciated. I'm
an

891
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:44,000
island resident homeowner on the
backside island, but I also am a

892
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:48,880
property manager for about 20 oceanfront
homeowners. Uh

893
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:52,640
my question specifically to number three
on the newly released addendum

894
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:57,600
um
and how that relates to the

895
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:03,320
eight or nine properties that were
talked about in the November meeting uh

896
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:08,480
council meeting with how far those
jurisdictional lines are out from the

897
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:13,640
properties themselves.
And what I'm seeing reading here, so

898
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:17,480
all work on the easements will take
place seaward of the jurisdictional

899
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:22,360
lines.
It seems contrary to what was discussed

900
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:28,040
at that meeting in that
where those lines are almost in the

901
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:33,360
water right now. So, you're going to
build the dune

902
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:38,320
out in the water and we're leaving a gap
between the

903
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:41,920
water. Who's filling the gap?
Let me Um

904
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,640
Some of it if you look at
it's in one of my slides and I have the

905
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:51,160
picture, but there was one of it shows
like the line the jurisdictional line

906
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:55,640
in one instance is further down the
beach. Yeah, look and then see as you go

907
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,640
further down the beach towards the pier,
it gets closer and is sort of in

908
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:04,280
someone's backyard.
>> So, but So, Steve, to to I understand

909
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:07,640
the question and you are correct and
it's a little bit weird and we've talked

910
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:13,600
through
uh the issue of potentially and that

911
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:19,960
that property actually shows it You get
down the 108 and it's 8 ft.

912
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:23,440
8 80? 80. Yes. Yes.
So, we have the and and just for the

913
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:28,720
benefit of the room, I don't know that
we really talked about this, but I think

914
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:33,680
the breakpoint is around 6th Avenue
where it follows the dune line and and

915
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:38,520
it's it's still all seaward of the
jurisdictional line, but the dune line

916
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:45,040
basically is the most controlling cuz
it's farther seaward. South of 6,

917
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:50,440
it is the OCRM setback line, which is
which is the controlling line.

918
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:54,640
For most of that project south of 6, it
works out well. Yes. There there's not

919
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,200
there's not much of a gap. It just so
happens

920
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,080
» It's almost the same thing. Yep, it it
basically

921
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:03,440
» and the jurisdictional line.
>> We do have and and we've talked at

922
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:08,720
council about this a number of times.
There's there's a handful of properties,

923
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:13,960
less than 10, right at the turn Yeah. uh
that do have this weird situation that

924
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:21,520
we're going to have to deal with where
we would be putting a berm potentially

925
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:25,560
uh that's that's well out from
what's currently eroded beach. It's in

926
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:29,240
the water, right? And we and we have
talked with

927
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:33,440
with a handful of owners individually.
They don't want that gap. They they've

928
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:37,640
indicated to us, we don't want a gap. We
don't want a berm that's farther seaward

929
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:43,720
and it would be subject to washing away.
They would like for us to fill

930
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:47,520
uh that portion that is landward of the
OCRM line and take it all the way to the

931
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:51,880
escarpment and I think the city is
willing to do that. I think that that's

932
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:58,040
how we initially uh contemplated the
project, but but certain

933
01:25:54,360 --> 01:26:03,320
um there were there was concern about
the process Steven mentioned uh

934
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:08,880
in the future there will be uh this
jurisdictional line issue and could this

935
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:14,160
renourishment have an impact. Um so,
that was really created that way at the

936
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:18,400
request of the owners. Again, we very
much want the project to happen. Yeah.

937
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:24,240
» So, we're we're
bending every which way we can to be

938
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:27,960
able to get 100% signed easements and
that's an example of one of those where

939
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:32,400
where it it will be a little weird for
about 10 properties. And it's getting

940
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:35,960
confusing for people which are asking
and I'm not an attorney. I don't give

941
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:42,120
legal advice.
But I'm getting these questions

942
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:46,840
and it's it's it's unclear. So,
would those people then with the legal

943
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:51,480
advice from you to be not to sign the
addendum so that you then can work

944
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:56,320
landward of the jurisdictional lines and
fill that gap? Cuz if they sign the

945
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:00,080
addendum, you can't work in that area.
>> We we would like to sign we would like

946
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:03,920
to fill the gap.
And we would like to make contact with

947
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:07,560
any owner
who would like for us to fill the gap

948
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:11,600
and we will come to terms that would
have us filling the gap and putting the

949
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:16,840
berm
uh in a place that's not going to be

950
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:19,360
subject to to eroding away, putting it
back closer to the current escarpment.

951
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,360
» So,
>> So, we we So, you're going to contact

952
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:26,360
these people directly, right?
>> Well, I would I would I would ask that

953
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:30,720
that you
uh

954
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:36,200
cuz I do think
right right there that it

955
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:41,480
there's probably a million dollar gap
worth of sand, right? Yeah. So, we would

956
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:45,040
we would happily fill that gap. Okay.
>> need to make those arrangements and we

957
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:50,760
can do that. My other question maybe for
Steven, can you clarify exactly where

958
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:55,400
the unstabilized inlet zones start
in the south end?

959
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:59,200
We Yeah, we just looked at that. Is it
all at the 6th Avenue?

960
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:04,880
6th Avenue. I guess So, so from 6th
down,

961
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:09,080
the jurisdictional line change
is different calculations than the

962
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:14,000
inside of the island. Yes.
>> From 6th Avenue down.

963
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:20,840
Wherever that boundary is. In that the
40 year is interior is the 40 year.

964
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:26,680
The 40 year would be The unstabilized
inlet zone jurisdictional lines change

965
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:32,200
based on the most recent escarpment.
So, they would look at the condition

966
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:36,640
likely around 2024 when the beach was
most eroded early 2025.

967
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,480
Um so, because they came out and
collected surveys

968
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,840
» When they were taking all those
pictures, that's they're going to move

969
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:44,680
the line.
>> I I imagine that the base where those

970
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,880
pictures were taken. Trying to predict
the future here, but I wouldn't see them

971
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,760
based off of the standards that they
have in their regulations. This is all

972
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:55,920
based off regulations. They would put
the baseline right at that escarpment

973
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:59,880
line that they will have GPS data for
and then they will determine the setback

974
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:05,560
line based off an erosion analysis. So,
the line's potentially moving massively

975
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:08,719
landward. It especially around that
corner right there where they're pretty

976
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:13,200
far out.
My other question, when they actually

977
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:16,960
start the project, the pipe comes onto
the beach, is it going to come onto the

978
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:21,160
beach at 9th and work its way down or
come onto the beach in the inlet and

979
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:26,440
work his way out. Um it will either come
on towards the northern end around 9th

980
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:31,200
or somewhere or more towards the center
of the southern end fill area. Um they

981
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:36,080
look at a calculation on how much land
pipe do they need uh because they don't

982
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:39,720
want to mobilize 8,000 ft of pipe if
they can start in the middle pump north

983
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:42,240
with 4,000 ft and then use that same
pipe to pump south.

984
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:45,040
» But they'll come onto the beach at one
place and then the pipe will go the pipe

985
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:49,520
will be
>> They'll put an elbow on it. project. It

986
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:52,480
doesn't shift up and down the beach from
from the ocean.

987
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:57,240
» They have the ability to we call that a
subline where the subline comes onto the

988
01:29:54,440 --> 01:30:00,920
beach from the bar area. They may move
that

989
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:03,520
um within kind of the south end if they
feel like it's more efficient for them

990
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:07,920
to
have multiple landings of it. Yeah. Um

991
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:11,800
so they they don't have to have as much
short pipe you know on the beach. And we

992
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,560
I can't tell you that exactly. Thank
you. I appreciate that for your time and

993
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:20,200
answering these. I'm still a little
confused on how the owners handle that

994
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:23,480
gap. I Call call me or email me. Okay.
Sounds good. Thank you.

995
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:26,600
» Thank you Steve.
We have a question online I think from

996
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:30,200
the
Doris Young asked how will this project

997
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:33,240
affect the drinking water on Isle of
Palms?

998
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:37,360
Won't be any effect of the drinking
water.

999
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:41,560
That all comes from CPW under the harbor
and won't be will not be impacted.

1000
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:52,280
I'm Curtis K 204 Ocean. And we have a
rental house there.

1001
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:55,600
And the equipment
is

1002
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:01,160
so noisy.
And during the

1003
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:06,080
removing of the sandbags was real bad.
And the whole house would shake.

1004
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:10,680
Is there any way that the backup sound
the beep beep

1005
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:16,200
couldn't be so loud noisy? I mean it's
just

1006
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,200
You hear it everywhere.

1007
01:31:16,518 --> 01:31:21,320
» [laughter]
>> I think there

1008
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:26,040
this is a problem. Is there
is there any

1009
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:30,720
way it can be lowered?
We the only thing that we've ever been

1010
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:35,760
able to see is some contractors have
implemented rather than a a beep beep

1011
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:41,000
backup alarm it's more of a static noise
that doesn't carry as far but it's still

1012
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:44,360
OSHA approved and I'm
saying that out of ignorance if that's

1013
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:48,840
the right approval but uh
that it has been approved and I'm not

1014
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:52,960
sure if the um contractor that's awarded
has the ability to put those on but we

1015
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:57,480
will certainly request it. Uh they will
also be doing vibration monitoring. Uh

1016
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:03,000
they will set up monitors throughout the
project area to kind of keep track of um

1017
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:08,320
vibrations to the properties. Okay.
Uh

1018
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:14,200
the sand fences we built them and they
were fabulous.

1019
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:20,040
Much better than the plants.
And so even if the city doesn't do it I

1020
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:24,600
mean I would be willing to pay for my
own sand fences

1021
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:30,160
as long as I was allowed to put them in.
And the third question is why don't we

1022
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:35,720
use all the sand
that's on that island

1023
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:41,280
just off our coast. I mean it during the
summer everybody goes out there with

1024
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:48,360
their boats. And it's a island for
partying. Why can't that sand be used?

1025
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:52,680
Is that sacred sand or
It um there's some environmental

1026
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:57,600
concerns over that that the
environmental agencies consider shoals

1027
01:32:54,680 --> 01:33:01,120
to be a important fish resource. Um
It from the engineering standpoint it

1028
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:05,960
it's something that could be done and
there's no um

1029
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:09,160
logical reason that you uh logical's not
a word. Uh from the construction

1030
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:13,440
standpoint it can be done. It's a
feasible project but the issue is you're

1031
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:18,720
not adding any new sand to your system.
You're you're kind of moving it around

1032
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:22,600
and you may by dredging a um
a new inlet channel you you are altering

1033
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:27,800
the inlet dynamics and that's done in
some areas for navigation purposes uh

1034
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:33,840
but it does open up the the risk of
creating issues while you're you know

1035
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:36,920
having a sand uh surplus. And
you would still have to use an ocean

1036
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:40,560
certified dredge because you're past the
core regs line so it would be similar

1037
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:44,480
type of equipment. You're likely not
saving a bunch of money by doing that

1038
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:48,080
project. It it would be a little cheaper
because it's a short pump but for the

1039
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,760
mobilization price that we have with
this project and the unit cost for you

1040
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:56,920
really wouldn't be saving a lot of money
by doing that. Um and you're not adding

1041
01:33:54,480 --> 01:34:00,720
any new sand. This this is adding
basically money to your bank account if

1042
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:05,160
if we're using that analogy.
Well I appreciate any help you can get

1043
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:09,160
with the noise. I understand. I mean it
was

1044
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:12,360
we had to pay people.
Yeah.

1045
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:16,320
So this
you want to unstabilize in this zone?

1046
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,320
Yeah.

1047
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,600
Steve this is a zone.

1048
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,480
Yeah it is.

1049
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:32,360
It's the yellow line here and it runs
Yeah it does go to six.

1050
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:38,600
» Yeah the six hundred block. Yeah six.
The whole six hundred block or the six

1051
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:43,560
Stops at six. Okay. And it goes south.
So all the properties south of six are

1052
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:47,320
governed by different
That's a different formula. That's

1053
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,880
correct.
That's correct.

1054
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,160
Any other questions?

1055
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:06,640
As I mentioned earlier I'm with the Sea
Cabins and I wanted to find out how is

1056
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:11,400
this going to affect the construction
of this renourishment going to affect

1057
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:14,880
like our pier? Is
is there anything going to

1058
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:19,200
affect it
or could there be potential damage to it

1059
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:23,400
from
the pumping of the sand through there?

1060
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:28,440
Yeah there's really no risk for
construction. The equipment will not be

1061
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:33,240
um working directly under the pier or
even right up against it. We would be

1062
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:38,280
tapering the fill down so um probably
even before we got to the actual pier

1063
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:41,400
limit. Um so
all that will be

1064
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:45,760
protected and and they're used to
working around piers even under piers

1065
01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:50,800
through a lot of nourishment projects.
Um you've seen a lot of accretion under

1066
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:54,360
that pier the past year or two um
and so you you have a lot of sand moving

1067
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:57,440
from the north which is pushing the
beach out so you're kind of it looks

1068
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:01,400
like the pier may be getting shorter or
at least shallower. Um

1069
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:05,320
we'll be adding a good bit of sand to
that whole system so some of that sand

1070
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:10,600
may move to the north
uh temporarily so you know you're that

1071
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:16,320
area's been gaining for years um you may
you will likely continue to see gain

1072
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:21,440
sand over time um in that area just from
the the natural dynamics. So that

1073
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:26,480
that's kind of a post project long-term
you know potential change that um it's

1074
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:30,720
no risk it's just uh you know more sand
at the pier side.

1075
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:35,600
Okay and I know you said it earlier but
what is the time span on this? How long

1076
01:36:33,480 --> 01:36:40,080
we looking at? Months wise? Total
project completion is about four months

1077
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:44,560
is what we're estimating.
And it starts in June.

1078
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:48,600
They're intending to start in June. Um
I would not be surprised if that pushes

1079
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:52,000
closer to July. Uh
they indicate that they're you know

1080
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:57,440
getting ready. They're finishing a
project at Hilton Head that

1081
01:36:54,480 --> 01:37:01,320
uh they've said that they do not need to
finish that before they can start at

1082
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:06,720
least mobilizing some equipment up here.
Um

1083
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:10,680
if council awards the project in
April 28th

1084
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:14,440
um you may would start to see some boats
offshore sinking the subline that

1085
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:18,800
connects the bar area to the beach you
know as early as some point in May.

1086
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:23,080
And I don't know that we've said it but
the city specifically asked that they

1087
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:28,040
start on the north end.
Uh that that is the area that's that's

1088
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:31,280
most endangered currently so that's
where we would like for them to to

1089
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,960
start. I think that works for them so I
think

1090
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:39,080
I think we're expecting that they would
naturally start from the north end.

1091
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:43,320
And so that that may mean that there's
nothing happening in the south end for

1092
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:48,040
two months after they actually start
pumping sand.

1093
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:52,719
So might be later in the summer before
it starts on the south end.

1094
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:56,680
The contract gives a project completion
date of December 31st so they would

1095
01:37:54,880 --> 01:38:00,400
actually have until then to complete the
project. We try to give them as much

1096
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:04,080
flexibility as possible just to lower
their risk and get a a more favorable

1097
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:08,680
price. We don't think it will take that
long um

1098
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,680
but just wanted to point that out.

1099
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:16,520
Easy. Just to re-emphasize then if y'all
could please take into consideration on

1100
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:19,840
the south end as well the sandbags not
removing them

1101
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:23,240
until y'all are ready to pull the
trigger cuz it sounds like we could be

1102
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:25,960
in hurricane another hurricane season
without

1103
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:31,000
That that is our
It is our intention to to not leave

1104
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:32,680
properties protected for a long
duration.

1105
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,400
» And that's what it sounded like but I
know you were talking about the north

1106
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:38,840
end at the beginning of the conversation
and just want to emphasize we appreciate

1107
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:42,440
all y'all can do to keep us safe in the
meantime. Yes. Thank you. That is the

1108
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:46,560
point.
This is a general Into the mic please

1109
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:52,000
Curtis. Oh.
It's a general question. What happens if

1110
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:56,520
everybody doesn't sign?
That that will be a decision point for

1111
01:38:54,360 --> 01:39:01,600
city council to make. It's our it's our
hope

1112
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:05,800
uh that we can get 100% participation
and it would not be a consideration but

1113
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:12,320
in the event we can't get everybody to
sign that would have to be uh something

1114
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:12,320
city council would consider.

1115
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:19,520
I think last time we got the vast
majority of these easements and I think

1116
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:23,040
there were certain folks that didn't
sign them that were not more completed

1117
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:27,000
in the front of the the easements last
time and so I believe that was it but

1118
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:31,520
again, Douglas is exactly right that
it's going to be up to City Council as

1119
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:34,800
to how to deal with that.
I don't think it's worth putting in

1120
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:38,000
writing but my neighbor didn't sign last
time and I think he

1121
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:41,240
got a permanent easement
um instead of a two-year.

1122
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:45,160
Freaked him out and just didn't want to
sign anything so I think if you got a

1123
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:48,080
call from somebody just a little cuz I
don't think he's here. A

1124
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:51,680
little explanation, he might feel
comfortable and not have a problem. Just

1125
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:54,760
You've talked to him now? I talked to
him now.

1126
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:59,320
Yes. I think we've been in contact with
your neighbor. Okay. I think we did have

1127
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:02,920
one executed permanent easement. Um He
didn't do it last time so Yeah, I I will

1128
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:07,280
say that this project's different than
those past trucking projects in the

1129
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:10,120
south end where those you could skip
parcels very easily. With this

1130
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,920
nourishment project, you can't do that.
So if there is

1131
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:16,720
um
again, it's up to Council to decide that

1132
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:20,920
a single property or multiple properties
that may just create a condition where

1133
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:24,840
you would stop a project you know, at
that point and just not build beyond it.

1134
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:28,800
Um I'm you know, there there's a lot of
different directions that could go um

1135
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:32,680
but that's not uh an unrealistic
scenario.

1136
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:37,360
Another question online, this is from
Bill Skeens. Uh when you put when you

1137
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:42,880
put in plants and sand fencing, can you
add do not walk on the dune signs? I had

1138
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:45,560
snowboarders during the last
snow, he says.

1139
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:48,040
Um
and I think we could certainly consider

1140
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:52,400
that. I know that I know that
individuals did that on their own. I

1141
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:56,560
think there were OCRM signs that are
available to do that. I think Bill was

1142
01:40:54,600 --> 01:41:01,000
also uh
the first one in with his easement so

1143
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,000
thank you, Bill.

1144
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,040
Any other questions?

1145
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:12,640
If we don't have any other questions,
thanks thank you to everyone who came.

1146
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:16,880
Um we are available in the back if
you're if you're ready to sign and if if

1147
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:20,800
you have follow-up questions,
uh please reach out to us. Hopefully you

1148
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:25,320
have our contact but thank you for
coming. Thank you. Thank you.

1149
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,320
Thank you.