1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,839 Okay, welcome everyone. I want to call 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,880 the June 1st city council meeting to 3 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:10,960 order. There are no excused absences. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,719 Everybody is here and I want to start by 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,040 asking everyone to join if the for the 6 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:16,040 pledge of 7 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,040 » Allegiance 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,199 to the flag. 9 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:40,559 The next item of business is special 10 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:42,480 business ID 2014 Belleview Colleg's 60th 11 00:00:40,559 --> 00:00:44,800 anniversary anniversary proclamation. I 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,800 want to invite uh Dr. David May, the 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,800 president of Belby College to the left 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 turn. 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Oh, we're going over there. 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,680 Okay. Whereas Belleview College was 17 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:13,600 founded in 1966 and over the past 60 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,040 years has become one of Washington's 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,680 leading institutions of higher 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,840 education, serving more than 600,000 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,840 students across the region. I will add 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,439 that includes all six of my children. 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,799 Whereas Belby College has provided 24 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:26,080 accessible and affordable educational 25 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,840 opportunities that have benefited 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,360 countless students, families, and 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,040 workforce professionals in Isqua 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,560 community and throughout the east side. 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,560 And whereas Belby College supports 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,079 students success through academic, 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,000 professional, and workforce training 32 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:39,920 programs that strengthen the regional 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,759 economy and create opportunities for 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,079 future generations. And whereas Belby 35 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:45,680 College contributes significantly to the 36 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:47,920 East King County economy with the 37 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:51,280 regional study, estimating the college 38 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,960 annually infuses more than $185 million 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,119 through its institutional operations and 40 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,720 the economic impact of its graduates. 41 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:58,159 And whereas Belby College partners with 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,240 hundreds of local businesses and 43 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,920 employers across the region that provide 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,439 students with work-based learning, 45 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,360 internships, and industry aligned 46 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:06,960 training programs, helping thousands of 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,280 learners each year develop the skills 48 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,440 employees seek high demand fields. And 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,959 whereas Belby College provides lifelong 50 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,200 learning opportunities for learners of 51 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:16,800 all ages across the east side region, 52 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,720 including Isiziqua and surrounding 53 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,080 communities. Now therefore, I, Mark 54 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,879 Mullet, mayor of the city of Isqua, to 55 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,360 hereby proclaim June 1st, 2026 to 56 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:26,959 celebrate 60 years of Belleview College 57 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,040 and the city of Isiqua, and ask the 58 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:30,480 community to join me in recognizing and 59 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,640 expressing their appreciation for the 60 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,640 role Belleby College has served in our 61 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,800 community. In witness, whereof, I hereby 62 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:40,476 set my hand and seal the city of Isqua 63 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,400 on this first day of June, 2026. 64 00:02:40,476 --> 00:02:43,599 [applause] 65 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Let's do the photo and then I'll give 66 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:47,440 you the thing. Want to do the photo 67 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,160 first while you're after? We'll do the 68 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,120 photo and then uh 69 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,760 » Do the photo. 70 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:58,040 » Oh, we have two photos. I like it. 71 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,040 » You You came with your own photo crew. 72 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,120 » It's all yours. 73 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000 » Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Um, 74 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,040 President Mart, uh, members of the 75 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,560 council, thank you for the invitation. 76 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,640 Thank you very much for supporting the 77 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,000 proclamation, and thank you for just a 78 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:28,560 couple minutes of your very, very 79 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,239 valuable time this evening. This is a 80 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,519 relationship that extends even more than 81 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:36,959 60 years. The business and civic 82 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:39,760 community in Isiqua was part of the push 83 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:42,400 to create Belleview College in the 1963 84 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,640 and 1965 legislative session. Without 85 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,799 the support of this community, Belleview 86 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,280 College simply wouldn't exist. And as 87 00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:52,159 Mayor Mullet suggested, it has been more 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,799 than 18,000 students in Isiqua and the 89 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:57,599 surrounding area in the last 5 years. 90 00:03:54,799 --> 00:04:02,159 And so we really are educating this 91 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:04,799 community to live, to work, to play, and 92 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:06,480 to give back to this community. It's 93 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:10,080 education, but it's also partnership 94 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:13,360 with Costco to provide highquality, 95 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,920 lowcost child care for their employees, 96 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,479 for our students, and also for citizens 97 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,840 here in Isiqua and beyond. And so the 98 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:24,880 partnership extends and has extended 99 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:27,199 far into the past for 60 more and more 100 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,440 years. And I'm very, very excited to see 101 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:31,120 where the next 60 years of partnership 102 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,199 between Belleview College and the city 103 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,448 of Isiqua can take us. Thank you very 104 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:36,468 much. 105 00:04:34,448 --> 00:04:36,468 » [applause] 106 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:54,720 » The next item of business is ID2031s 107 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,400 LGBTQIA+ 108 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,720 pride month proclamation. I want to 109 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,720 invite Jason Rey from East Side Pride 110 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,479 Pacific Northwest to the lectern. 111 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,479 Oh yes, come on up. The more the 112 00:05:04,479 --> 00:05:07,479 marrier. 113 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Whereas June is recognized as Pride 114 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Month commemorating the 1969 Stonewall 115 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,360 uprising and honoring the ongoing 116 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,120 struggle for 2SL GBTQIA plus rights. And 117 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,199 whereas Pride Month celebrates the two 118 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,560 spirit lesbian, gay, bisexual, 119 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:25,280 transgender, queer, questioning, 120 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,800 interex, and asexual plus community who 121 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:28,320 are our family, friends, neighbors, and 122 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 co-workers and who meaningfully 123 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,520 contribute to our community in 124 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,280 innumerable ways. Whereas the city of 125 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,199 Isqua is committed to being an inclusive 126 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,120 and welcoming community where all 127 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:39,600 residents and visitors regardless of 128 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,720 sexual orientation, gender identity, or 129 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:45,199 gender expression, feel safe, affirmed, 130 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,360 and empowered to live authentically. And 131 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:49,360 whereas the city stands in opposition to 132 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,600 discrimination and actions that seek to 133 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,440 erase or marginalize queer and trans 134 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,680 individuals, remains committed to 135 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,320 fostering belonging through inclusive 136 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,400 policies, public engagement, education, 137 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,240 and partnerships year round. Whereas the 138 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,600 city honors the resilience, creativity, 139 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,479 contributions, and leadership of 140 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,560 2SLGBTQIA plus individuals and affirms 141 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:11,440 its role as a sanctuary of dignity, 142 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,440 equity, and belonging for 2LGBTQI 143 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,800 plus community, their families, and 144 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,039 their allies to demonstrate its 145 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,000 commitment to these same core values for 146 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:19,840 all residents and [clears throat] 147 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,440 visitors. Now, therefore, I, Mark 148 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,199 Mullet, mayor of the city of Isqua, do 149 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,120 hereby proclaim the month of June to be 150 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:27,199 2slgpqia 151 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,199 plus pride month in the city of Isiqua. 152 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:31,199 And I invite the Isqua community to come 153 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:34,000 together to recognize the contributions 154 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:35,840 and achievements of the 2slgq IIA plus 155 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,120 community in witness whereof I hereby 156 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:41,519 set my hand and seal to the city of 157 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:43,539 Isqua on this first day of June 2026. 158 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:43,539 [applause] 159 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,089 We'll do the photo and then you 160 00:06:48,069 --> 00:06:50,089 [applause] 161 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Thank you, mayor, and thank you, city 162 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,520 council. 163 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,720 As you've mentioned, uh Jason Rey, who 164 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,759 is the East Side Pride Pacific Northwest 165 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,919 is leaison, and my name is Cheryl Smith, 166 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:22,800 and I'm a leadership member of East Side 167 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:26,479 Pride Pacific Northwest. Also, most 168 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:29,840 importantly, I'm here as a proud parent 169 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:31,680 of a transgender daughter. 170 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,160 This is the first time saying these 171 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,160 words in public. 172 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,000 Why? Because Isaacqua's created a space 173 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:43,360 where my child can visit and know 174 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,240 they're welcome, safe, and respected. 175 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:50,240 And I feel safe here, too, as an ally. 176 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:53,440 Is it proclamation flags, public art, 177 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,599 and window decals send a message to your 178 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,000 LGBTQIA 179 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:00,800 to us plus residents, allies, and 180 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,240 visitors that all are very welcome. 181 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,120 These are important gestures of 182 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:08,000 inclusion. Inclusion means continuing to 183 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,800 show up just not in Pride Month, but all 184 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,520 year long. It means supporting policies 185 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,599 that protect queer and trans people like 186 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,120 Juniper Blessing. 187 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:18,800 It's about partnering with pride 188 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,960 organizations like East Side Pride 189 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,639 Pacific Northwest. It's about 190 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,960 celebrating the lives that we all live 191 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:27,039 on a daily basis. 192 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,280 Thank you to the city of Isaac for what 193 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:31,440 you're doing and that you continue to do 194 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,000 for the Pride communities, our families, 195 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,080 and our allies. I'm grateful to be 196 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,760 accepting this proclamation with Jason 197 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,440 on behalf of East Side Pride Pacific 198 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,440 Northwest. Thank you. [applause] 199 00:08:44,005 --> 00:08:46,025 » [applause] 200 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,640 » The next item of business is ID 2038, 201 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:56,480 recognition of facilities maintenance 202 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,519 supervisor G Harvey. And I think we're 203 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,279 going to have Autumn come on up to do 204 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:05,560 the honors. 205 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,560 Yes, Gar, you have to come up as well. 206 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,360 Hi, I'm Autumn Monahan, the 207 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,880 administrative services director, and 208 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,880 I've had the pleasure of working with G 209 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,839 for many years. He has served the 210 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,800 community of Isiqua for 14 years, 211 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:22,399 leading our facilities team. Um, he is 212 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,640 taking on his next great adventure in 213 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,399 Eastern Washington. We will be very sad 214 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,000 to see him go, but I'm also very excited 215 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,519 that you're taking this next chapter in 216 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,360 your life. 217 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:34,560 G is an exceptional leader for our 218 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,480 facilities team who oversee a wide 219 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,279 variety of facilities in Isiqua. That's 220 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,200 not just office space, leased spaces, 221 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:45,440 but also really complex facilities like 222 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:48,760 a pool or a jail. Um, and it's it's been 223 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,760 a fun ride. 224 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Um, he's always been ready to go for 225 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,160 projects large and small. large projects 226 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 like how do we take years and years of 227 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:00,720 stuff out of city hall northwest before 228 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,480 selling it to small projects like 229 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,080 answering my call two weeks ago when a 230 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,600 squirrel caused a power outage in this 231 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,160 building ahead of a council committee 232 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,480 meeting. Uh he has always answered the 233 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,800 call and um been there to support us 234 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,720 whatever we need. We were just doing 235 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,839 some due diligence on a property we're 236 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,600 purchasing for city hall and G was uh 237 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:21,440 just scouring every inch of that 238 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,800 building and reported back that he 239 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,040 thinks he knows that building now better 240 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,839 than his own home. 241 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,079 And I would say that's fair to say all 242 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:32,240 of the buildings you know extremely well 243 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:34,720 and your historical knowledge of those 244 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,399 properties has been so helpful over the 245 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,560 years. 246 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:41,040 I'm so grateful for your leadership. I'm 247 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:43,200 so grateful for your creativity and your 248 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,839 problem solving. I've really, really 249 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,600 enjoyed working with you and it's thanks 250 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:49,519 to 251 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,920 your years of service that thousands of 252 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:53,519 people have enjoyed our public 253 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,200 facilities over the years and that 254 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:57,120 you've enabled all of us as staff to 255 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,839 serve the community as well. And that's 256 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,920 a remarkable legacy. So, thank you so 257 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:02,399 much and good luck on your next chapter. 258 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,542 » Thank you. 259 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:05,542 » Thanks, G. [applause] 260 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,402 You get a plaque. You get a plaque. 261 00:11:11,382 --> 00:11:13,402 [laughter] 262 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:19,240 » Genie's passing. 263 00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:27,279 » Hey, I think it's yours. I wasn't I 264 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:30,880 wasn't really prepared for that, but 265 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:34,160 that's okay. Um, I just really want to 266 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:37,279 uh thank the city for the opportunity um 267 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,800 to be part of the team. It's uh it's 268 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:42,320 been an honor. It's been a pleasure to 269 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:44,399 serve the city. Um the staff and you 270 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,000 know all the uh citizens and and my 271 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:48,560 team. I couldn't have couldn't have done 272 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,000 it without my team. My uh my team is an 273 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:52,800 important piece. It was a very hard 274 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,560 decision to make. Um but in the end, my 275 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,640 wife's the one that kind of pushed me 276 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:59,839 through the decision. So again, just 277 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:02,160 thanks for the opportunity. Um, and I 278 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:03,440 will miss everything and uh, everything 279 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,160 I've learned here, I'm going to take 280 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,040 with me. So there's a an equestrian farm 281 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 that's going to have a little piece of 282 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,320 visiqua in it just from what I've 283 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,040 learned. 284 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,608 » Where's [clears throat] the first place 285 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,519 you're traveling to? [applause] 286 00:12:13,608 --> 00:12:17,040 [cheering] 287 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,320 » Ellensburg is not your normal first 288 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,480 destination for someone to go to when 289 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,480 they retire. 290 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Okay, the next item of business is 291 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,920 audience comments. Uh comments made in 292 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,920 person or they can be made virtually. 293 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,200 Although I'm trying to figure out how 294 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,760 our virtual thing is working, but I 295 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,279 think it's okay. Uh those of you signed 296 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,079 up will be called on first. If you're on 297 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:50,399 the phone, you can press star three. And 298 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:53,279 if you did not sign up, do not panic. We 299 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:56,320 will give you a chance to share comments 300 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:58,480 towards the end. And with that, Madame 301 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,440 Clerk, are there folks signed up for 302 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,320 audience comments? 303 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,320 » Yes, Mayor. 304 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,320 » Right. 305 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,000 First up, I have uh Robert Row. 306 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:15,519 I believe I see you online. Mr. Row, I 307 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:17,200 will uh promote you to a panelist and 308 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:20,200 from there you should be able to unmute 309 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,200 yourself. 310 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,399 Okay, Mr. Row, I have promoted you to a 311 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,800 panelist. You should be able to unmute 312 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:32,399 and if you would like to share your uh 313 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,160 video as well, you should be able to do 314 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:37,639 that. 315 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,639 » I see it. 316 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:43,920 » All right. Is everything Can you guys 317 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,959 hear me? 318 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:50,720 » We can. 319 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:53,519 » Okay. Um, first I would like to begin by 320 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,079 saying to the east side and Washington 321 00:13:53,519 --> 00:14:00,639 State, happy Pride Month. That is very 322 00:13:56,079 --> 00:14:03,040 important to me having a sister who's 323 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:06,240 um lesbian and married with two 324 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:09,199 children. So, that was awesome to hear 325 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,720 the city council announce that. 326 00:14:09,199 --> 00:14:12,639 Um, 327 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,120 it's nice to see you guys again, 328 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:18,800 especially the mayor. 329 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Uh, I wish I was here to comment about 330 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,279 how awesome it is here to live in Isqua 331 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,079 Highlands 332 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:29,040 and the convenience what you guys have 333 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:31,360 done for the Sound Transit bus stops, 334 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,160 the beautiful views. 335 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,680 But I have to say again, man, that the 336 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,519 noise 337 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:43,760 pollution here is 338 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:45,199 is insane. Um, I'm I know the comments 339 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,040 that I'm reading are a little bit 340 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:49,440 different. I'm just paraphrasing from 341 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,199 what I wrote down, but I just like to 342 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,079 know that 343 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:56,720 what has been done 344 00:14:54,079 --> 00:15:02,079 to combat the noise from these delivery 345 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:06,800 companies that come at 11:30 at night 346 00:15:02,079 --> 00:15:08,720 um to 12:30 in the morning delivering. 347 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,560 You know, I live here in Discovery West 348 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Apartments 349 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:17,680 and I have talked a lot about this and I 350 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,240 have sent many complaints. One 351 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,000 officer who I have talked to, I don't 352 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,639 know if it's a real person or not, but 353 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,680 it was a officer 354 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:32,480 Matthew F. 355 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:35,440 Um, he had a very hard time 356 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:39,120 finding out why QCD delivery is 357 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:41,600 delivering to Swedish Hospital at 11:30 358 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:44,639 at night when one of the biggest food 359 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:48,880 deliveries, US food, delivers at the 360 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:50,880 proper time around 11 and 10 a.m. So, I 361 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,720 I know the mayor is probably getting 362 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,720 tired of this, but I am getting tired of 363 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,560 this, too, you know, because I'm tired 364 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,199 of the lip service that I'm hearing from 365 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:02,639 his office saying, "Oh, we'll get back 366 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:06,639 to you." And they never do, 367 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:11,360 you know. So, I'm I'm requesting the 368 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:13,279 city council to implement and enforce 369 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,720 IMC 370 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:23,279 N or 9.22 22 371 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:25,759 to levy fines of $100 for every offense. 372 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:29,440 You know, Mayor, I'm asking you 373 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:33,199 directly, Mr. Mayor Mullet, 374 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:37,920 would you like it if I parked a semi 375 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:40,800 in your neighborhood at 11:30 at night? 376 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:43,759 Sir, it is unacceptable. 377 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:47,040 I have sent a YouTube link for you guys 378 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:50,880 to watch and I am more than a hundred 379 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:53,440 yards away from that hospital what is 380 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:57,600 necessary 381 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:00,639 but my whole apartment vibrates so I 382 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,839 thought it was just me. Next time I'm 383 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:08,319 bringing residence 384 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:10,799 something must be done. 385 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:13,199 Thank you for your time. 386 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:16,520 Thank you very much, 387 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:16,520 Clerk Mueller. 388 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:27,000 Thank you. Next on our list is uh Fire 389 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:27,000 Chief Will AO. 390 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,527 Well, good evening, honorable mayor and 391 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,320 members of the city council. 392 00:17:36,527 --> 00:17:40,720 [clears throat] Sorry. Uh my name is 393 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Will Aaho and I proudly serve as your 394 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,160 fire chief for East Side Fire and Rescue 395 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,880 and thank you for the opportunity to 396 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,039 speak tonight. As the city begins its 397 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,799 discussion about the future of fire 398 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:53,440 service, I wanted to provide some 399 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:55,120 context for the conversations currently 400 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,880 taking place at East Side Fire and 401 00:17:55,120 --> 00:18:01,120 Rescue Board. For 27 years, the East 402 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,080 Side Fire and Rescue has been built on 403 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:06,640 partnerships. The original agencies came 404 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,120 together to because they believed that a 405 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,000 shared fire service model could provide 406 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:14,640 highquality emergency services more 407 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,520 efficiently and more effectively than 408 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,840 each agency operating independently. 409 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,799 That partnership has served our 410 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,760 communities well. Today, Epher protects 411 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:30,000 nearly 229,000 community members across 412 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:32,320 277 square miles from 16 fire stations. 413 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,480 We're governed by a board of directors 414 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,679 with representation from each 415 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,400 participating agency along with advisory 416 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:42,799 members from our contract agencies. At 417 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,440 the same time, Epher's structure is 418 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:48,400 unique. We do not have independent 419 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:51,039 taxing authority. Instead, our budget is 420 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,760 funded through contributions from our 421 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:55,760 partner and contract agencies. That 422 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,360 means each agency must determine how 423 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,919 best to fund its share of regional fire 424 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:04,400 and emergency services. As costs 425 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:06,000 continue to increase, that model creates 426 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,039 challenges not only for the individual 427 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:12,400 agencies, but also for Epher's abilities 428 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:14,320 to plan for stable and sustainable uh 429 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,320 service delivery. 430 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,480 Because of that, the epher board began 431 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,880 an education process earlier this year 432 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,520 to better understand the available 433 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,440 governance and funding options. Those 434 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,240 options included continuing under the 435 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,880 current interlocal agreement, evaluating 436 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,600 annexation and or merging into a fire 437 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,640 district and considering a regional fire 438 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,160 authority model. At the June Epher board 439 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,400 meeting, the board will be asked whether 440 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,760 there is a direction Epher should focus 441 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:46,080 on uh for further education and 442 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,640 discussion. That does not replace the 443 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,280 authority of city council, the fire 444 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:54,080 districts or any individual agencies. 445 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:56,640 The final decision rests with each 446 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,960 jurisdiction and depending on the option 447 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,720 potentially the voters. 448 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,400 The purpose of Epher's work is to make 449 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,799 sure each community has clear un uh 450 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,280 clear information, understanding of the 451 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:11,919 available options and has a voice in 452 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:15,440 shaping the future of the fire service. 453 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:17,360 I appreciate that Isiziqua is taking an 454 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:20,080 active interest in evaluating its future 455 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:22,559 fire service needs. My request is that 456 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,400 the city remain engaged in the epher 457 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:28,640 process as well so that Isiziqua's voice 458 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,400 continues to be part of the regional 459 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,840 conversation. 460 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,080 East Side Fire and Rescue has 461 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,760 demonstrated for nearly three decades 462 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,559 that collaboration can protect 463 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,480 communities well as we look to the 464 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:43,360 future. The goal is to ensure the same 465 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:46,080 level of service remains sustainable, 466 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:50,159 predictable, and accountable to the 467 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:53,600 communities we so honory serve. 468 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:55,360 I am available for any questions um 469 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,919 today. And thank you so much for your 470 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,520 time. 471 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:59,760 » Thank you very much, Chief. Are you able 472 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,880 to stay till later in Okay, excellent. 473 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,120 That's awesome. Thank you very much. 474 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:09,720 Uh Clerk Mueller. 475 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,720 » Yes. Next, we have Sarah Ryder. 476 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,840 Hello, Sarah Ryder, resident of Talis. 477 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:26,159 Um, a few things I'm going to talk to 478 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,520 you about today. First thing is my own 479 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,960 thing and then I'm going to represent 480 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,880 the group that you've seen that we've 481 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,640 brought today. The first thing I wanted 482 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,320 to say is that I'm 100% on board with 483 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,400 the tasers for our um police department. 484 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,159 uh to me is very important to give them 485 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,280 the best tools that they can use for 486 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:45,360 deescalation and their own safety. So I 487 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,520 wanted to say that on behalf of myself 488 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,600 on behalf of the group um we have 489 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,600 started a petition. I'm not going to 490 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,720 read the whole thing. The first part 491 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,320 you've already addressed with your 492 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,320 resolution and we thank you for that. We 493 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,679 thank you that you've heard us. We read 494 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,840 through the resolution. We think it's 495 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,960 awesome. But the second part is we're 496 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,480 still going to push for that city 497 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,120 ordinance. I know that it's on the books 498 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,880 for July, but we want to be very clear 499 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:10,400 that we still want that. So, we do have 500 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,880 a petition with uh around 200 signatures 501 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,400 from different people around Isiqu. I'm 502 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,600 not sure if I present this to you or not 503 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,880 or how that works. 504 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,520 » You can bring it forward, [laughter] 505 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,000 city clerk. 506 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,840 » I'll read I'll read it first and then 507 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,159 » I just didn't know how the handing of 508 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,200 stuff goes. I want to don't know the 509 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:29,280 decorum, if you will. Um but any further 510 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,080 consideration of ALPR technology in 511 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,559 Isiqua must be narrow in scope. An 512 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,039 application is possible. Pursue only if 513 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,960 truly required. Citizens rights and 514 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:42,159 concerns must be protected as strictly 515 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,760 as they can be. Examples of protections 516 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:46,640 that should be implemented include the 517 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,120 following. Data and imagery collected by 518 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,520 ALPRs owned by the city of Isiqua and 519 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:54,000 its departments must be stored in secure 520 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,159 closed loop systems owned by Isiqua city 521 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,039 government. must be shown to be 522 00:22:56,159 --> 00:23:01,760 architecturally inaccessible to outside 523 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:03,840 entities. Must include only license 524 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,840 plates and emphatically must not include 525 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,760 faces or identifying fe physical 526 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,080 features of drivers or passengers of 527 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,880 vehicles. Must not be transmitted to 528 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,400 servers or entities outside of Isiqua. 529 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,799 Must not be stored if it does not 530 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,960 generate an alarm related to a wanted or 531 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:21,200 missing person, stolen vehicle, active 532 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,600 warrant, or serious criminal offense. 533 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,080 and any privatelyowned ALPRs in the city 534 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,559 of Isiqua must be positioned such that 535 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,200 they do not collect data or imagery from 536 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:32,960 public streets, from public property or 537 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,880 avenues of travel that the owner of the 538 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:39,039 ALPR does not own themselves. So, Isiqua 539 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,200 City government has distinguished itself 540 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,200 in the past few weeks by enacting 541 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880 important initial measures. We thank you 542 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,200 for that so much. We know that you've 543 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,880 heard us. So we appreciate you 544 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,520 responding to our deep concerns that are 545 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,000 held by Isiqua's residents and visitors. 546 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,320 And it is now our opportunity to 547 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,240 distinguish ourselves further by 548 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:03,360 cementing in a law full and forceful 549 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,919 protections for those same people. We 550 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,880 ask is city government not to waste this 551 00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:10,720 chance. And now I can present our our 552 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,360 list of people if that's cool. 553 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,360 » Excellent. Thank you. 554 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Thank you very much. 555 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:22,960 » There's no one further signed up to 556 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,400 speak tonight, mayor. 557 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,159 » All right. Is there anybody else in the 558 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:29,360 audience? 559 00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:32,480 Going once. Going twice. Okay. With 560 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:34,320 that, audience comments are closed. The 561 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,799 next item of business is the consent 562 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,240 calendar. I do not have any remarks on 563 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,760 the consent calendar. Are there any 564 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,720 committee chairs or chair design who 565 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,600 would like to report on any of the 566 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,000 consent calendar items? 567 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,559 Not seeing anything. 568 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Uh I think our city clerk has minor 569 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:53,760 updates to announce prior to approval. 570 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,520 » Thank you, mayor. Per the current 571 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,692 council rules, two corrections were made 572 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,720 to the draft minutes for the May 573 00:24:56,692 --> 00:25:00,400 [clears throat] 11th, 2026 committee of 574 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,039 the whole meeting, which is consent 575 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,880 calendar item C on tonight's agenda. 576 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,440 Both corrections were on page two under 577 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,120 agenda item B regarding the IPD 578 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,880 Congressional Community Appropriations 579 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,640 Grant. These corrections were 580 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,880 distributed earlier today to the city 581 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,640 council for review. With approval of the 582 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,720 consent calendar, you will be approving 583 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,799 this revised version of the May 11th 584 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,240 meeting minutes. Additionally, there was 585 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:26,480 a typo located on AB9183 586 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,960 for the 2025 water main replacement 587 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,360 project WT015. 588 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,760 In the financial information section, 589 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,360 44,548,000 590 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,200 is cited to have been transferred. 591 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:41,279 However, this should have been $44,548 592 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,200 as cited in the table just below on the 593 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:45,279 same page. 594 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,240 » Right. I mean, what's a couple zeros 595 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,840 amongst friends? Uh, okay. The consent 596 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,200 to calendar was distributed to council 597 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,400 in advance if authorized the items on 598 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,240 the consent calendar will be considered 599 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,080 together and approved by one motion. 600 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Have the payables and payroll been 601 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,320 reviewed? 602 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,679 » They have. They have. 603 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,520 » All right. I know. I think we need two 604 00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:04,640 of those. Uh, does any council member 605 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,000 want to remove any items from the 606 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,400 consent calendar considered under 607 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000 regular business? 608 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,760 » Okay, not seeing any. Is there a motion? 609 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,328 Uh, council president Martz. 610 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,799 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move 611 00:26:13,328 --> 00:26:16,559 [clears throat] to adopt the consent 612 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,480 calendar with the distributed amendments 613 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,679 and scrivener changes. 614 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,320 » Second. 615 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:24,400 » All right, it's been moved and seconded. 616 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,360 All those in favor? The motion is to 617 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,799 approve the consent calendar as 618 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,320 presented has been moved and seconded. 619 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:31,039 All those in favor say I. 620 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,440 » I. 621 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:35,600 All those opposed? Nay. And that passes 622 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,120 unanimously. The next item of business 623 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:41,520 is public hearing [snorts] AB 91135 624 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:43,600 2027 2032 six-year transportation 625 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,200 improvement plan. 626 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320 We are going to open the public hearing. 627 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720 I'm going to invite transportation 628 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,200 engineering manager John Mortonson to 629 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,200 present this item. 630 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,679 » Thank you very much, Mayor Mullet. Good 631 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,440 evening, council members. I'm John 632 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,760 Mortonson, transportation engineering 633 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,400 manager. Give me a minute. I'll load up 634 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,520 my presentation and talk to you about 635 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,520 the transportation improvement program. 636 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:45,559 Tonight's topic is the 2027 to 2032 637 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,559 transportation improvement program. 638 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,000 The purpose of tonight's item is to 639 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:56,240 review the updates to the 2027 to 2032 640 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,320 transportation improvement program and 641 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,559 to hold a public hearing as required by 642 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,559 state law. 643 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,720 The direction that the administration is 644 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,880 seeking from the council tonight are 645 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320 with regards to the major themes and 646 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,880 changes to the transportation 647 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,520 improvement program. Specifically, the 648 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,480 emphasis on smaller scale projects, 649 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,360 prioritization of performing maintenance 650 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,480 projects over new construction, and the 651 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,480 more extensive use of debt, specifically 652 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,760 funded by the transportation benefit 653 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:35,279 district sales tax. revenue that will 654 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,799 sunset in the future. 655 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:39,440 But before I go into those, I want to 656 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:41,279 give a little bit of a background. The 657 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,440 kind of the hierarchy of how this all 658 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,600 fits together is the city has the 659 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,720 comprehensive plan that has the vision, 660 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,880 goals, and policies that then feed into 661 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:54,080 the functional plans like the climate 662 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:58,000 and action plan and the mobility action 663 00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:00,640 plan. And out of those plans, it they 664 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,360 feed into the transportation improvement 665 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,679 program. 666 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,039 A little bit more of a background. The 667 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:11,200 city is required to adopt a six-year 668 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:15,559 transportation improvement program every 669 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,559 year according to RCW35.77.010. 670 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:23,679 And the way the city of Esquad does this 671 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:25,840 is in odd years like last year, it's the 672 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:29,200 transportation improvement program is 673 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,000 part of the larger capital improvement 674 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:36,000 plan. And this is a time when the city 675 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,760 can make larger scale changes. Um 676 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,320 because the city council has the 677 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,000 opportunity to weigh the different 678 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,480 projects, whether it's transportation 679 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,399 project, a facilities project, a park 680 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,559 project. um and many more. 681 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:53,600 And then in even years like this year, 682 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:55,600 it's done as a standalone process 683 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,120 and for the most part is a limited 684 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,399 update. 685 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,159 The projects that are in the 686 00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:02,000 transportation improvement program are 687 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:03,679 used to 688 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,760 establish 689 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:09,440 impact fees as well as bicycle and 690 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,440 pedestrian mitigation fees. and 691 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,080 the projects that are in the six-year 692 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,320 transportation improvement program. Some 693 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,799 of them are projects that are to help 694 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,880 prepare the city for growth that will be 695 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,520 coming with the regional growth center 696 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:28,440 as well as other projects though are in 697 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,440 response to community needs. 698 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,679 And inside the six-year transportation 699 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:35,360 improvement program, there's a project 700 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:38,000 summary that explains what the project 701 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,559 is, the estimated costs, the potential 702 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,720 funding sources, and when the project 703 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,480 may occur. And I do want to emphasize 704 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,279 that the transportation improvement 705 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,000 program, it is a planning document. It 706 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,000 is not the budget that here later on 707 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,120 this year the council will be 708 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,440 deliberating the two-year bianium budget 709 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,200 and that is the actual budget that puts 710 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,120 into motion 711 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,320 what projects will and will not be done 712 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:07,600 in the next two years. 713 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,640 So why are projects included in the 714 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,240 six-year tip? Sometimes they establish 715 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,080 uh they satisfy the goals in the 716 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,279 mobility action plan or the 717 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,600 transportation element of the 718 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,200 comprehensive plan. Sometimes they come 719 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,960 out of other plans or studies like the 720 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,640 transit study and I'll talk about a 721 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,520 project that came out of the transit 722 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,520 study. Some of the projects are a result 723 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,039 of feedback that the administration 724 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,440 receives from the community whether it's 725 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:35,679 through cclick fix or just talking to 726 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,960 residents out in the community. 727 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:39,679 They also meet the goals of the 728 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,600 administration, specifically 729 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:43,440 the prioritization of maintenance, 730 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,000 implementing small-cale projects that 731 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,799 are have an immediate benefit to the 732 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,880 community and including relieving 733 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:56,399 congestion for vehicles. And the update 734 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,799 also includes um revisions based on 735 00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:01,799 revenue projections to match current 736 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,799 forecasts. 737 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:08,880 Inside the this year's packet was um an 738 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,000 update from last year's capital 739 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,720 improvement plan and how the projects 740 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,640 were prioritized with last year's CIP 741 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,760 process which involved legal mandate or 742 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,640 addressing life and safety concerns like 743 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,120 the black nugget retaining wall 744 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,880 community priority. That's a big part of 745 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,360 why we do a lot of these projects like 746 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,480 the Northwest Mammish Road non-motorized 747 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:38,159 project. Community livability and 748 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:41,120 quality of life, climate resiliency or 749 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:42,880 environmental benefit, the ability for 750 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,760 the administration to deliver the 751 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,600 project, replacement or capital 752 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,399 maintenance of existing infrastructure 753 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:54,600 like the pavement management program. 754 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:54,600 And a longstanding commitment 755 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,159 As part of this tip process, we spent 756 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,039 the administration spent a lot of time 757 00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:04,880 working on balancing revenue with 758 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:08,480 expenditures. And there's a number of 759 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:11,360 pressures that were on under for these 760 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,440 projects. One of them was a delay in 761 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,919 implementing the school zone safety 762 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:20,120 camera deployment, which reduced revenue 763 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:20,120 in the school zone safety fund. 764 00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:25,039 This update also proposes 765 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,120 being more aggressive with implementing 766 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,760 debt from the transportation benefit 767 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,600 district to implement projects so that 768 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,919 way the community can receive the 769 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,679 benefits sooner rather than later as 770 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:40,240 project costs continue to rise. 771 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:43,760 On the expenditure side, there's demands 772 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:48,399 for real estate excise tax in last 773 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:51,039 year's CIP that surpass the revenue that 774 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:52,559 is coming in. And so as part of this, 775 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:56,559 the administration had to make some 776 00:33:52,559 --> 00:34:00,159 adjustments to align the actual revenues 777 00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:02,720 that are coming in with the and 778 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:05,840 expenditures. And then there's a lot of 779 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,599 regional and national global economic 780 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:12,320 factors creating uncertainty. Oil costs 781 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,000 and diesel fuel costs are a big impact 782 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,000 on the cost of implementing these 783 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000 projects. 784 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,639 So now I'm going to go over the update 785 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:28,760 in the proposed 2027 to 2032 786 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,760 transportation improvement program. 787 00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:34,079 The themes of this update were an 788 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,159 emphasis on smaller scale projects that 789 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:38,800 could be implemented so the community 790 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:41,359 could receive the benefit rather than 791 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,159 waiting year after year while a project 792 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:46,159 slugs through design. 793 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:49,520 Prioritizing maintenance over building 794 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:51,119 new and the more extensive use of debt 795 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,879 specifically 796 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,200 funded by the transportation benefit 797 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:57,200 district sales tax that is set to 798 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,400 sunset. 799 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:05,119 Some of the specific project changes are 800 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,599 for project TR 12, the front street and 801 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:10,320 sunset left turn improvements that was 802 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:14,480 added to the six-year 803 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,560 program. And then the Gilman Bridge 804 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,440 rehabilitation project. This was one 805 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:22,720 that has been in the budget and council 806 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,960 has approved it, but just the timing of 807 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,960 when we do the tip and when we get the 808 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,760 funding for the project, it wasn't in 809 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,320 it. So, it's not a new project. It's 810 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,520 just added as a technicality. Some of 811 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,599 the projects that moved up are the 812 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:43,440 signalization project at Front Street 813 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:46,720 and Dogwood, as well as the pavement um 814 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:50,000 repair job at the location of 190th 815 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:52,800 Place and 191st Avenue Southeast. This 816 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,440 is a location up the road from the 817 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,240 Cougar Mountain Zoo where the pavement's 818 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,920 in really poor condition. And the reason 819 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:04,800 why this project was moved up is 820 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,320 There's going to be a new storm water 821 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,320 requirement beginning in July of 2027 822 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,000 that would make this project prohibitly 823 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,160 expensive. And so the goal is to permit 824 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,680 this project before the change. That way 825 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,440 it is a an affordable project. 826 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,920 And a couple projects were moved out 827 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,800 into the future. The central Equiqua 828 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,040 multimodal I90 crossing was moved out. 829 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,599 We the administration recently completed 830 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,800 a planning study that identified a 831 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:36,400 preferred location for the crossing, but 832 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,560 there are some council concerns about 833 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,960 the project and the overall costs and 834 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,920 how it would look along Gilman 835 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,640 Boulevard. And so that project's been 836 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,720 moved to the future years rather than 837 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,680 advancing it in the next six years. And 838 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:54,560 then TR84, the transit signal priority 839 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:58,720 pilot project. And this project was not 840 00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,800 moved because transit signal priority 841 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,760 isn't a priority. It still is a priority 842 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,480 for the administration. However, a pilot 843 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,640 project was not the best avenue to go 844 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,359 about doing that when reading King 845 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,079 County Metro's guidelines for transit 846 00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:16,400 signal priority projects that it's 847 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:19,599 better to do that along. So the let me 848 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,400 back up. The pilot project would have 849 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,960 implemented transit signal priority at 850 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,640 one location, but the guidelines talk 851 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,520 about how it's much better to do it 852 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,680 along a corridor. And there's a certain 853 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,480 bus frequency that the city of Esqua 854 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,320 does not have that is the best practice 855 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,880 for implementing transit signal 856 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:44,000 priorities. So, it's still a priority, 857 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:45,760 but the city needs more buses and it the 858 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,359 recommendation from the administration 859 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:54,079 is to do this as part of a corridor with 860 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,920 buses rather than at a spot location. 861 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,240 I'm going to talk a little bit about the 862 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,480 project TR012, 863 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:02,400 the front and sunset left turn 864 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,760 improvement projects. So, this has been 865 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:09,520 a concurrency project in our long-term 866 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:13,520 project list for many, many years. And 867 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,680 it came to the forefront in 2023 when 868 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,520 the administration did a transit study 869 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,400 that looked at improvements that the 870 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:24,240 city can do to help improve access, 871 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:26,480 speed, and reliability of transit. And 872 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,720 this is an intersection that has 873 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,359 currently the 554 bus coming from 874 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,800 Newport Way onto Sunset and then 875 00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:35,599 continuing up to the Highlands and then 876 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,760 in reverse. And then starting this fall, 877 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:43,839 the revised 556 bus is going to go along 878 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:46,480 Gilman and then front to Sunset and then 879 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:50,400 likewise in reverse. And so this project 880 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,320 is intended to improve the speed and 881 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,839 reliability of the bus routes along 882 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:59,359 here. And what it will do is redesign 883 00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:02,240 the intersection on the west leg for 884 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:05,119 eastbound traffic. It'll add a through 885 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:08,960 right turn lane and then have a 886 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:10,720 standalone left turn lane. And then 887 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,160 what's called phase two. And depending 888 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:16,400 on what the traffic analysis and the 889 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:20,400 cost estimate determined as well as a 890 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:23,560 grant application. Oops. 891 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,560 Hold on. 892 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:32,440 Stop sharing. Just give me a minute. Oh, 893 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,440 it is not letting me share. 894 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,599 There we go. 895 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,839 All right. Oh, you're back. 896 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:46,960 » Wonderful. 897 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,200 And so then the phase the second part of 898 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,200 this project would work on the east leg 899 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,160 of this intersection where it would 900 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:57,920 convert the existing right turn lane 901 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,839 into a right through lane and then the 902 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,800 existing 903 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:04,800 through left turn lane would become a 904 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,079 left turn lane. And these improvements 905 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,240 will reduce congestion for everyone at 906 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,560 the intersection, but especially for the 907 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,560 bus movements. 908 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:21,839 Some of the Now I'm going to talk about 909 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:25,920 some of the primary drivers for changes 910 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:28,000 to existing projects. And that one of 911 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,280 the things that we did for the two 912 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,960 Newport projects, the SR900 to 54th and 913 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,599 Maple to Sunset, we created and as well 914 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,880 as the strategic small capital project, 915 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:45,760 what I call tiplets. So right now, 916 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:48,640 Newport Way SR900 to 54th, it is TR022. 917 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:52,240 Well, what we did is we created TR22A, 918 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,839 TR22B, and TR22C. And the reason why we 919 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,720 did it is that project is going to be 920 00:40:53,839 --> 00:41:00,160 constructed in to phases. And we wanted 921 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:04,960 to show as part of this update how that 922 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:07,359 project would get constructed in phases 923 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,119 to add a little bit more transparency. 924 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:11,280 And then the strategic small capital 925 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,280 project. One of the things that this 926 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:18,160 update did is it identified some 927 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,319 larger small projects that would be good 928 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,480 candidates for the transportation 929 00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:24,800 improvement board's complete streets 930 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,480 grant. And one of the things that the 931 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,400 transportation improvement board likes 932 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,400 is to see projects listed in the public 933 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,720 agency's tip. And so we want to start 934 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,000 listing those to help improve our 935 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,720 chances of receiving external funds as 936 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,880 well as to also show the community the 937 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:46,079 specific small improvements that the 938 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:50,000 administration is planning to make. 939 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,640 I mentioned a little bit about TR 101 940 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,440 that that project was moved up in order 941 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,839 to 942 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,920 get permitted before changes to the 943 00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:02,160 storm water requirements. 944 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,760 Um, additional costs were added to 945 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,920 TR033. 946 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,720 That's the Black Nugget retaining wall 947 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,560 to based on where the design's at, the 948 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:17,359 cost estimate has increased. And then TR 949 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:20,400 80, 90, 91, and 92. These are all the IT 950 00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:21,920 replacement projects, and those have 951 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,480 been updated based on the current 952 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,480 replacement schedules. 953 00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:30,480 The projects listed here are the ones 954 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:33,119 that the administration is proposing to 955 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,480 use transportation benefit district back 956 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:38,079 for that is signalization project at the 957 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,920 intersection of front street and 958 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,280 dogwood. This is one that the 959 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,119 administration has heard a lot from the 960 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,599 transportation advisory board that this 961 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:52,480 is a priority project. 962 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:55,839 TR23A Newport Way Maple to Sunset. Um, 963 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,480 next one is a big priority for the 964 00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:01,119 administration. TR028, 965 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,760 Northwest Seamish Road Non-motorized 966 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,520 Improvement Project. 967 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,200 TR99, this is a bridge scour repair 968 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,920 project 969 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:15,680 for the bridge that goes over Isawak Paw 970 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:18,960 Creek along Southeast 56th Street. It's 971 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,680 to help protect the 972 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:25,760 lightweight film material on the east 973 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:30,880 side of the creek um from potential 974 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:37,480 damage due to creek scour and the TR 101 975 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,480 190th place and 191st Avenue project. 976 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,319 something to consider for the 977 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,839 transportation benefit district back 978 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:50,560 debt. The TBD sales tax expires in 2034 979 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:54,079 and the council at that time may choose 980 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:57,920 to reauthorize the tax or not. 981 00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:00,880 If the tax is renewed, then TBD revenues 982 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,359 can likely support any debt issued for a 983 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,800 project throughout the life of the debt 984 00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:09,200 service. However, if the tax is not 985 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,359 renewed, then the debt service for these 986 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:16,040 projects will need to be paid for from 987 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:16,040 another source such as the general fund. 988 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,520 The transportation improvement program 989 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,760 went to both the transportation advisory 990 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,880 board as well as the environmental 991 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000 board. I'm going to talk a little bit 992 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,560 about the feedback that the 993 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,800 administration got from those boards. On 994 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:35,760 March 25th, the administration presented 995 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:38,880 the tip to the tab and generally the 996 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,640 feedback supported the proposed changes. 997 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,480 Some of the members on the tab 998 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,760 questioned the criteria from the 999 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,480 mobility action plan 1000 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,720 and increasing wanted to increase the 1001 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,400 objectivity to the criteria in the 1002 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,920 mobility action plan that was used to 1003 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,720 evaluate these projects. And some 1004 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,119 members had questions about the use of 1005 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:03,920 debt as a financial practice and 1006 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:07,119 expressed concerns about additional 1007 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,960 non-permeable payment. 1008 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,440 The board also highlighted safety 1009 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,079 concerns and a preference for bicycle 1010 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,040 and pedestrian facilities as a priority 1011 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:20,400 in the tip. 1012 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,480 On April 16th of this year, the tip was 1013 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,800 presented to the environmental board and 1014 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,520 again the environmental board generally 1015 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,359 supported the proposed tip updates. 1016 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:33,280 Members noted several corridors for 1017 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:35,680 additional bicycle facilities and the 1018 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,560 potential to protect and enhance tree 1019 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:43,040 canopy throughout the tip. and board 1020 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,760 members had questions about specific 1021 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:51,040 projects, jurisdiction working with King 1022 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:53,839 County Metro and East Scooter programs. 1023 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,200 And then on May 12th, the TIP was 1024 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,200 presented to the mobility and 1025 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,400 infrastructure committee. And again, the 1026 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,240 support was generally or the the 1027 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,200 committee generally supported the tip 1028 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:07,520 updates. Members noted the importance of 1029 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,760 having the Northwest Seamish Road 1030 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,599 non-motorized improvement project as 1031 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,119 part of the 2027 to 2028 operating 1032 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,119 budget. 1033 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,599 Not losing bicycle and pedestrian 1034 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,000 facilities while focusing on congestion 1035 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:25,839 relief. And there's a brief discussion 1036 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,680 on impact fees. 1037 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,560 The direction that the administration is 1038 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,280 seeking from the council 1039 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,000 are the major themes and changes with 1040 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,880 this update. Specificly, 1041 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,920 the emphasis on smaller scale projects, 1042 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,599 the prioritization of maintenance over 1043 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,200 new construction, and the use of debt 1044 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,040 specifically 1045 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,880 funded by the transportation benefit 1046 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,960 district 1047 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,160 with tax revenue that is scheduled to 1048 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,640 sunset. And we did add a slide to the 1049 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:01,680 presentation to talk about projects that 1050 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,119 add bicycle and pedestrian facilities. I 1051 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,079 know there are some concerns based on 1052 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:09,280 the performance metrics that were 1053 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:10,880 reported out. And so the proposed 1054 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:16,800 six-year transportation improvement 1055 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:19,280 program has over 16,000 ft of bikeways 1056 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,200 proposed to be constructed. And I've got 1057 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,359 a list here of the projects that make 1058 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:28,359 improvements to pedestrian or bicycle 1059 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:28,359 facilities. 1060 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,920 The timing and next steps. 1061 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,800 Right now, we're here on June 1st to 1062 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,920 conduct a public hearing. 1063 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,599 And then on June 15th, the 1064 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,720 administration is going to propose 1065 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:47,040 council adopt the 1066 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:49,760 transportation improvement program. And 1067 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,599 then once it's adopted within 30 days, 1068 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:58,560 the administration will 1069 00:47:53,599 --> 00:48:01,200 submit the six-year tip to the state. 1070 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,800 And that concludes my presentation. 1071 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,560 » Thank you very much, John. Council 1072 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,599 member Joe is chair of the mobility 1073 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,640 infrastructure committee. Would you like 1074 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,359 to summarize the committee's 1075 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:12,880 recommendations on this item? 1076 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:15,119 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we reviewed uh 1077 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,599 this particular topic at our mobility 1078 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,960 and infrastructure meeting on May 12th. 1079 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:22,640 Um it does highlight uh some of the 1080 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,280 topics that were discussed at our May 1081 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,240 9th retreat. We appreciate the uh 1082 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,040 administration's efforts to find small 1083 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,720 projects that we can get done in a 1084 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,680 timely manner to show that we're making 1085 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:37,359 improvements uh to transportation in the 1086 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,079 city of Isiqua so that people that live 1087 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:42,319 in the city are able to get from point A 1088 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:45,440 to point B, whether it's from school to 1089 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:49,280 Costco or whether it's from um you know 1090 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,520 um Target over to uh the the the park 1091 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,800 and ride or the park and ride in the 1092 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:58,400 Highlands. Um so we do appreciate the uh 1093 00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:01,280 emphasis on the Dogwood uh intersection 1094 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:04,079 stoplight and the sunset stoplight as 1095 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,480 well. Um the committee was generally in 1096 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:08,640 favor of the proposal from the 1097 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,440 administration. uh there was an emphasis 1098 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,599 on um exploring and continuing to 1099 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:16,480 explore uh other ways to get funding 1100 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:19,040 including councilmatic bonds in the 1101 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,400 future as a point of conversation for us 1102 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,839 so we can continue to make those 1103 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,920 improvements along the way. Um, I won't 1104 00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:28,720 speak directly for uh, Council President 1105 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,839 Marts, but he did uh, put in a pitch for 1106 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,960 uh, Council Matter Bonds. And uh, also 1107 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:35,359 wanted to talk a little bit about the 1108 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:38,079 the wall behind Fred Meyer and the 1109 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:40,559 potential uh, liability and the 1110 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,920 potential way that we need to seek 1111 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:44,000 additional funding from our partners 1112 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,599 with with King County. But overall, the 1113 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,680 committee was generally in favor of of 1114 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:50,240 this going forward. Thank you. 1115 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,640 » Excellent. Thank you very much. Uh, 1116 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:56,720 okay. With that, I'm going to open this 1117 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,559 public hearing at 7:58 p.m. and we're 1118 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,880 going to go back to audience comments. 1119 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,119 If you're joining virtually, uh, please 1120 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,160 raise your virtual hand or send the host 1121 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:08,000 a chat message. And 1122 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:12,359 clerk Mueller, do we have folks signed 1123 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,359 up in the room for audience comments? 1124 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,400 » I don't see anyone at this time with a 1125 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,920 raised hand uh virtually. Uh we did have 1126 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,839 one individual sign up uh online. Um I'm 1127 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,200 unsure if they are virtual or in person. 1128 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:30,240 I have Earl Pigot. 1129 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:34,480 Looking for Earl. 1130 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:35,760 Not seeing Earl online or in person. Is 1131 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,839 there anybody in the room who has a 1132 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,480 desire to speak in the transformation? 1133 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:41,839 Oh, come on up. 1134 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:46,359 Let's go to the lectern in the middle 1135 00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:46,359 and you just have to hit the button. 1136 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,319 Thank you. Um, there's a a dangerous 1137 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,760 turn on Newport Way. 1138 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:01,599 » Can you please state your name in 1139 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960 relation I'm so sorry. I do this 1140 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:05,359 relation to the city. Thanks. 1141 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,160 » I'm Margaret Escobar and I live on 1142 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:09,680 Squawk Mountain and I've lived in Isiqua 1143 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,280 for 1144 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:17,119 um 25 30 years. Um there's a dangerous 1145 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:19,839 turn of where um sunset goes into 1146 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,960 Mountain Park Drive and crosses Newport 1147 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:27,280 Way. I live up on Squawk Mountain and so 1148 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:31,280 I've seen numerous accidents there. Um 1149 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,440 both lefts are dangerous. Both if you're 1150 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,079 um going straight across and people are 1151 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,480 making lefts in front of you. If you're 1152 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:41,520 making a left onto Mountain Park Drive 1153 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,240 from Newport Way, um there's a kind of a 1154 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,480 rise and you can't see the car coming 1155 00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:50,319 and people are very impatient. I mean, 1156 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:53,280 I've seen probably weekly almost hitting 1157 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:54,880 each other and I've seen several um 1158 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,400 dangerous 1159 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:01,680 um accidents over the years. Um is there 1160 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:05,359 a plan to put dedicated red light left 1161 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:08,079 turns on that crossing? It's pretty 1162 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,640 crowded. It's pretty well traveled and 1163 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:13,040 there's no dedicated like left like you 1164 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,319 have to make a left and judge traffic in 1165 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:19,520 order to to it in all the directions. I 1166 00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:21,359 think it would be um I know it's costs 1167 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,760 money but it would be a move to make the 1168 00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:25,760 city safer. 1169 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,760 Excellent. Thank you very much. We're 1170 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,160 nor what I would suggest is leave your 1171 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,240 contact information with our city clerk 1172 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,800 and uh and then we can get back to you 1173 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:38,160 in terms of your specific ask and uh by 1174 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,520 email. Thank you very much. 1175 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,520 » Is there anybody else in the room who 1176 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,520 would like to make 1177 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:49,599 comments? Okay, not seeing any. 1178 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,119 The audience comments are now going to 1179 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:54,800 be closed. City council, is there any 1180 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:57,920 objection to closing the public hearing? 1181 00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:01,119 Okay, not seeing any. The public hearing 1182 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,040 is now closed. We are now going to go to 1183 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,760 council questions 1184 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,760 uh for John. 1185 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,559 Looking looking 1186 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:14,559 council member Nichols. 1187 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:16,000 Thank you. Um first of all, thank you 1188 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,200 for the great presentation and all the 1189 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,720 work that's gone into this, all the 1190 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,880 feedback that's been requested and 1191 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,640 implemented. Uh the first question I've 1192 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,000 got is on that feedback. Uh one of the 1193 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,839 things that you mentioned was that for 1194 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,440 both TAP and the environmental board 1195 00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:29,520 that they highlighted safety concerns 1196 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,640 and a preference for additional bike and 1197 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,960 pedestrian facilities as raising in 1198 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,960 priority in the tip. Um I appreciated 1199 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,480 the list of uh projects that you 1200 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,119 presented that included elements that 1201 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040 touch on our uh pedestrian and bike 1202 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,480 facilities. Uh but I wanted to know what 1203 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,160 was altered in the plan as a result of 1204 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,920 that feedback. What was brought was 1205 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,000 anything altered to incorporate their 1206 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,280 feedback versus what they were 1207 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,280 originally presented with. 1208 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:02,599 There were no alterations based on that 1209 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,599 feedback. 1210 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:08,880 » Is there an opportunity to take their 1211 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,040 feedback into account and 1212 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,680 rep prioritize based on the the board 1213 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,680 and commission's feedback? 1214 00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,839 My preference would be to if there is a 1215 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:25,040 change in the prioritization to include 1216 00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:29,280 it as part of the budget deliberations 1217 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:33,520 for the 2027 to 28 budget bienium 1218 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:36,720 budget. Um just because and yes the tip 1219 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:41,760 could technically be changed but my 1220 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:44,240 recommendation would be to if there are 1221 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,559 if there is a desire to make changes to 1222 00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:49,520 the transportation projects in the next 1223 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:51,680 two years to do it as part of the budget 1224 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,359 process not as part of the tip process 1225 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,319 but 1226 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:57,319 I think both are possible. 1227 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:04,480 Councilor Walsh. 1228 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,079 » Thank you. Um John, I'm wondering toward 1229 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:12,400 that same concept of pedestrian bike 1230 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:15,599 infrastructure and all of that. Um 1231 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,079 how should we determine or kind of 1232 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:21,520 understand the fact that we have 1233 00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:25,280 separate um impact fees set up for bike 1234 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:27,920 and pedestrian versus transportation? 1235 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,440 Um, do we have a sense whether or not 1236 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:35,359 having a specific much smaller budget 1237 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,880 for bike and pedestrian infrastructure 1238 00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:39,200 increases 1239 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:44,160 um access to funding for that type of 1240 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,319 project or whether it decreases their 1241 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:49,040 focus um within the larger 1242 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:52,960 transportation budget? Do we know how 1243 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,400 that funding model impacts our choice of 1244 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,000 projects and whether or not we can 1245 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,760 effectively do something? 1246 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,000 » Oh, thank you very much. I I love that 1247 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,079 question, Council Member Walsh. Um, I'll 1248 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,960 try and be concise and not go on too 1249 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:06,960 long of a rant here. Um, because this is 1250 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:11,839 something that I'm really excited for. 1251 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:15,359 So the way Isqua has it right now is 1252 00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:18,880 long time ago a council decided that 1253 00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:24,160 wanted to fund non-motorized projects 1254 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:27,599 and so the city has a 1255 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:30,319 bike ped mitigation fee that funds bike 1256 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:32,400 ped projects and then as part of our 1257 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:34,960 transportation concurrency where there's 1258 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,000 an adopted level of service at 1259 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,440 intersections We have traffic impact 1260 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:44,640 fees. And then 1261 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,920 I will say that traffic impact fee 1262 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,160 funded projects do include bike ped 1263 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,000 facilities like Newport Way. Uh the 1264 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,040 challenge that we have with the bike ped 1265 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,760 mitigation fees is it's a short list of 1266 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:03,119 projects and the city has not updated 1267 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:07,280 the traffic impact fees or bike ped 1268 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:11,359 mitigation fees since 2019. 1269 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,000 And since 2019, the city has done a lot 1270 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:16,240 of work to prioritize multimodal 1271 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,040 transportation. And the projects that we 1272 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,359 want to do with the 1273 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,839 non-motorized fees are different than 1274 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,160 what we wanted to do back in 2019. And 1275 00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:28,480 so the challenge is is there's a short 1276 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,440 list and not a lot of the projects on 1277 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,119 that list are the projects that we're 1278 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,839 hearing from the community that the 1279 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:37,599 community wants us to build. So the 1280 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:39,760 administration has also heard from the 1281 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:42,480 city council a desire to lower traffic 1282 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,440 impact fees. And there's been some 1283 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,880 changes in state law since the city last 1284 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,000 adopted traffic impact fees in 2019. And 1285 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,799 that trafficked impact fees can also be 1286 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,319 used to construct bike and ped 1287 00:57:54,799 --> 00:58:01,200 facilities um that are standalone bike 1288 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:06,000 ped facilities, not just tied to 1289 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:08,480 capacity projects for cars. And so I 1290 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,839 think that in the future a good policy 1291 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:14,240 discussion would be how to go about 1292 00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:16,559 looking at possibly lowering the traffic 1293 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,280 impact fees. What does the city want for 1294 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,160 concurrency and how those could be 1295 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:25,760 utilized whether it's for a congestion 1296 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,720 relief project for growth from 1297 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:32,319 development or how it could be used for 1298 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,559 bike ped facilities. And so I hope I'm 1299 00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:35,599 answering your question, but that's how 1300 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,440 I see it. 1301 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,880 » Okay. I really appreciate that related 1302 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,520 to um the you know what our financial 1303 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,480 situation is with this separation and 1304 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,880 hearing that we can use some of those 1305 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,240 traffic impact fees or mitigation fees 1306 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:54,079 for bike and pedestrian um pieces. But I 1307 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,880 think I also heard and I just want to 1308 00:58:54,079 --> 00:59:00,400 clarify there that maybe we don't have 1309 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,640 the most upto-date list of bike and 1310 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:05,680 pedestrian projects that the community 1311 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:10,640 has said that they're interested in 1312 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:14,240 included in this tip and so is there a 1313 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:17,200 plan to 1314 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,599 do a better job of updating that and 1315 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,799 maybe taking the the feedback that we 1316 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:25,119 heard from TAB. So I would say that the 1317 00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:27,920 projects in the tip are ones that are 1318 00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:30,880 community priority that the ones that 1319 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:34,880 are it's the list of projects that can 1320 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,559 use the bike ped mitigation fees are 1321 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,599 not necessarily the ones that are the 1322 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:43,680 highest priority right now. And I also 1323 00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:45,680 would say that when the city updates the 1324 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,720 traffic impact fees, one of the things 1325 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:51,119 that I would want to evaluate is merging 1326 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,119 those two programs together now that 1327 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:55,200 there's been a change in state law. So I 1328 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,480 would say that the six-year tip has a 1329 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:01,040 lot of the community's non-motorized uh 1330 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,760 priorities. For example, there's a 1331 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:06,559 project to do a interim sidewalk project 1332 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,160 on Isqua Pine Lake Road. That's one in 1333 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,000 the nine years I've been with the city. 1334 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,680 I've been hearing over and over again 1335 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,160 residents saying, "We just want to walk 1336 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,240 to the Highlands and then I'd have to 1337 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,960 tell them, well, we got this $17 million 1338 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,000 project." And then they would say, "I 1339 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,920 don't want to wait. I just want to 1340 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,680 safely walk." So trying to 1341 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,079 implement these projects that we've been 1342 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,960 hearing from the community. It just is 1343 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,880 instead of using well that wouldn't be a 1344 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:37,200 location probably to use mitigation fees 1345 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:40,319 but u trying to utilize the revenue that 1346 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,799 the city has to the best extent possible 1347 01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:44,799 to meet the community's desires is what 1348 01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:48,839 we're always working for with this 1349 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:48,839 transportation improvement program. 1350 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,960 » All right. Uh so actions being requested 1351 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,319 at the June 15th city council meeting. 1352 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,760 However, if you have feedback on the 1353 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:00,640 major themes and changes with this 1354 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:04,480 update, this is sort of the time to 1355 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:08,042 share that feedback. Uh, 1356 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:11,839 and oh, Council President Marks. 1357 01:01:08,042 --> 01:01:14,400 [clears throat] So, uh, I I had a whole 1358 01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:16,559 stem winder of a speech at committee. 1359 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,359 Um, I'm going to save that stemwinder 1360 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:20,880 speech if I need it on the 15th. I'm 1361 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,799 meeting with manager Mortonson and 1362 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,839 Director Moon earlier on the day on the 1363 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:28,319 15th. And uh I I will just I'll save my 1364 01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:32,160 STEM minder speech. It's about TTRO28, 1365 01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:34,319 which has been uh I won't go into it. We 1366 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,200 all know how I feel about TTRO 28 and 1367 01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:40,880 how long we've been waiting uh to uh put 1368 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,799 sidewalks into uh South Cove. So 1369 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,319 hopefully my conversation will go well 1370 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:46,720 and I won't ever share with that 1371 01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:48,079 stemwinder speech again. Thank you. 1372 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,760 Well, I think and the administration's 1373 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:54,400 been very public that the 2728 budget is 1374 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,680 going to fund through bonding the TBD 1375 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,760 tax that non-motorized improvement so 1376 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,440 they can get into the town. Uh, Council 1377 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,000 Member Boyd, 1378 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,599 » Um, I have a question, John, and if you 1379 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,280 can't answer it, then I I apologize for 1380 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,640 not asking you in advance. Um, not 1381 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,680 keeping to the no surprises rule here, 1382 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,680 but just about the Black Nugget 1383 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,760 retaining wall. You mentioned that um 1384 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,640 cost has gone up since initial 1385 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,240 estimates, but um I know back um on my 1386 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,920 TAB days, we had looked at a couple 1387 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,240 different alternatives and I don't know 1388 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,760 if the cost increased. Uh does it get to 1389 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,760 either of those alternatives? I believe 1390 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,960 the lowest cost alternative had been 1391 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,240 chosen, but if you could just give a 1392 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,440 little more context on that, I'd 1393 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,880 appreciate it. 1394 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:35,680 » Yeah, it so the preferred alternative 1395 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:40,160 that is proceeding with design, it is 1396 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:42,160 the lowest cost one. Um, the solution is 1397 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,520 to build a retaining wall in front of 1398 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,599 the existing retaining wall and the 1399 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,160 costs are just due to geotechnical 1400 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:53,400 conditions and needing to do more work 1401 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,400 for that. 1402 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:59,040 » Okay, Council Member Nichols, 1403 01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:01,520 » One more and this is on how things come 1404 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,119 off. Um, 1405 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,960 are we going to take some things off of 1406 01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:06,960 the tip at some point? that I mean the 1407 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,359 one that pops out to me is the central 1408 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,799 multimotal crossing. Um I wasn't on 1409 01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:13,920 council at the time but my recollection 1410 01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:17,720 of council's reaction to that was uh not 1411 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,720 positive. Um 1412 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:22,880 to be um not as blunt as I could be um 1413 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,400 and it's also extremely large. I think 1414 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,319 that was hund00 million or something 1415 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,599 like that. So that has 20 I think 1416 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:32,000 » Lots of lots of things. Um, when are we 1417 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:36,720 get are we planning to re to address 1418 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:38,720 some of those things that are likely not 1419 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,480 within 1420 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,520 the realm of things that the council or 1421 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,920 the city will actually take on? 1422 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:49,200 » The answer to that is as part of looking 1423 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:52,960 at the traffic impact fees that will be 1424 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:55,280 considered. And so whenever we do a 1425 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,079 concurrency update, we always like to 1426 01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,559 look at a few of the projects and see if 1427 01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:03,039 they are needed or not needed. And the 1428 01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:05,039 last concurrency update, a project was 1429 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:07,039 eliminated along Northwest Mammoth Road 1430 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:09,359 that would have widened the already wide 1431 01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:13,200 road, one more lane in each direction. 1432 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:15,920 Um, but in order to look at which ones 1433 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,839 to take off, it needs to be done 1434 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,760 holistically because right now the city 1435 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:24,799 hasn't adopted level of service of at 1436 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,640 signalized intersections of D or better 1437 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:29,200 except for six locations where they can 1438 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:32,799 be at E or F. And so if we start taking 1439 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,720 projects off, we need to be careful to 1440 01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:37,200 make sure that 1441 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:42,240 the city is either able to still meet 1442 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:47,440 the adopted level of service or to 1443 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:48,880 consider other things. So, um, and I 1444 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,280 don't know what would happen if the city 1445 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,640 does not construct the I90 crossing, but 1446 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,640 some of the things that I would want to 1447 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,480 look at are when the city got its 1448 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,240 regional growth designation, one of the 1449 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,799 requirements was to have a crossing of 1450 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:03,359 I90. So, I'd want to have a conversation 1451 01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:04,640 with PSRC to see, okay, is that still 1452 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:07,039 the case? Because I'd want the council 1453 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,960 to know that as how it would impact 1454 01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:11,599 future things with the ESQUA. And then 1455 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:15,119 I'd also want to know, okay, if we don't 1456 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:17,680 construct it, what happens to the rest 1457 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,440 of the transportation system because it 1458 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:22,079 does carry a lot of cars in our future 1459 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,920 traffic model. Um, also understanding 1460 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:25,920 that it is really expensive and it does 1461 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,680 make the traffic impact fees more 1462 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,160 expensive. So would the council I if if 1463 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,240 and this is a big if if removing that 1464 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,160 project would make it so that way 1465 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,760 intersections were no longer meeting the 1466 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,000 level of service. There's a couple of 1467 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,319 levers the council could say well we 1468 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,520 want to increase the assumption of trips 1469 01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:48,400 that will be done by transit bicycle 1470 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,079 walking and then maybe that might solve 1471 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,240 it. It could be that the council could 1472 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:54,559 say well we want a lower level of 1473 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,400 service because we want we don't want to 1474 01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:58,640 do this project. So maybe the level of 1475 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,160 service becomes E instead of D. So 1476 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,240 there's a number of possible outcomes 1477 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,720 that got to go through a policy 1478 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,400 discussion before we can start 1479 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,400 eliminating those long-term bigger 1480 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,400 projects. 1481 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,119 » Deputy President Jen. 1482 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,359 » Um so kind of going on to that policy 1483 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:21,520 question. I mean, so it seems like we're 1484 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:24,400 currently evaluating transportation 1485 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,640 projects based on, you know, how well 1486 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,640 car traffic is moving through our city. 1487 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,799 And given, you know, our future vision 1488 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,640 for what type of community we want 1489 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:34,799 around light rail, given, you know, we 1490 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,960 have climate goals, presumably we 1491 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:39,200 probably want to reduce vehicle miles 1492 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,880 traveled. And so I'm wondering, you 1493 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:45,039 know, is that ever included as a metric 1494 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,400 for evaluating transportation projects? 1495 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:48,880 And if so, you know, how would that get 1496 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,039 into the policy conversation? 1497 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,880 I 1498 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:54,319 » I'll answer it two ways. So, the first 1499 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,200 way is here at Isiqua, we have as part 1500 01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:59,599 of the Isqua climate action plan, a goal 1501 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,440 to reduce vehicle miles traveled. I 1502 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:05,359 forget the details, but there is a goal 1503 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,960 for a reduction and u 1504 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:08,720 we're working on ways to measure it. 1505 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,119 Right now, there's regional ways to 1506 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,440 measure it. We recently, as of today, 1507 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:16,400 got access to a software subscription 1508 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,480 that I think will allow us to be able to 1509 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,079 measure vehicle miles traveled. So 1510 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,920 that's what we're currently doing to 1511 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:26,079 look at vehicle miles traveled. And then 1512 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,880 there are some agencies like the city of 1513 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:30,960 Seattle where instead of having their 1514 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,119 level of service be delay at an 1515 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,520 intersection, it is vehicle miles 1516 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:37,359 traveled. And so that could be an 1517 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,200 alternative. Um, there would be pros and 1518 01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:42,079 cons that could be discussed as part of 1519 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,200 a policy discussion. 1520 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:45,599 » Great. Thank you. And do you have a 1521 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,920 sense of when that policy discussion 1522 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:50,000 might occur? 1523 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,599 » Well, I will I don't know the exact 1524 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,599 schedule. I've been working on it. I do 1525 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,760 know that the council did say that 1526 01:07:53,599 --> 01:08:01,319 lowering traffic impact fees by the end 1527 01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,319 of 27 was a very high priority. 1528 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,880 » City administrator. 1529 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,799 » Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of 1530 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,520 the council. Uh the planning development 1531 01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:13,520 environment committee has tasked staff 1532 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,640 to uh sort through this uh issue of the 1533 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,400 uh all of our impact fees. Um we are 1534 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,040 hoping to come back to the committee in 1535 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,520 the next 60 days with some ideas with 1536 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:27,120 that. I mean what we are struggling with 1537 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:29,279 is uh the desire to perhaps change the 1538 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,520 the trajectory of some of our projects 1539 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:34,080 along with the desire to charge less 1540 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,159 fees. And so um we're going to be 1541 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,679 bringing some options to PTE. I think at 1542 01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:39,120 that point the committee can decide if 1543 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:42,159 they wish to move this up to the full 1544 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:44,719 council for discussion uh or uh discuss 1545 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:46,560 it in committee for some time. But uh 1546 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:48,319 what we're certainly hearing from 1547 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,239 planning development environment is is 1548 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:53,440 they would like us to address the impact 1549 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:54,640 fee question sooner than later. 1550 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,640 » Great. Thank you, 1551 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,159 » Council President Marks. 1552 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,080 So, I want [clears throat] to expand on 1553 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:02,080 uh council member Nichols comments on 1554 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,040 the central Isiqua multimmoal I90 1555 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:08,719 crossing. Uh yes, your memory is 1556 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:10,560 correct. Um it wasn't necessarily that 1557 01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:13,520 the council I don't think the council 1558 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,799 expressed an opinion about having a I90 1559 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,960 crossing. They expressed an opinion 1560 01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:19,520 about the study that was commissioned 1561 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:22,239 and presented to us and the majority of 1562 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,799 the council, as I recall, did not like 1563 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:26,560 that study and chose not to formally 1564 01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:29,440 accept it. I believe we paid the nice 1565 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:32,239 people uh their bill, but uh we did not 1566 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:34,400 want that study entered into the record 1567 01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:38,239 because we had such concerns about the 1568 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:40,080 contents of that study. Um you know, it 1569 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,640 is interesting to hear that that is an 1570 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,080 essential part of the future of the city 1571 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,400 because as I recall, one of the things 1572 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:48,400 that we did not have in that was a full 1573 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:51,359 traffic study. We did not torsten the 1574 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:53,359 problem, right? Torstston being our uh 1575 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:55,280 traffic consultant who does such amazing 1576 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:57,520 studies for us. I don't believe we got 1577 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,199 levels of service associated with that 1578 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:02,400 potential overcrossing and this was one 1579 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:04,640 of the challenges um that this council 1580 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:07,679 considered when choosing not to formally 1581 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,520 accept that study. So, um, if in fact 1582 01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:12,960 the administration at some point wants 1583 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:16,159 to come back and revisit this topic, um, 1584 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,840 I think that a a a pretty comprehens 1585 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,920 comprehensive conversation needs to 1586 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,800 occur about what that study would need 1587 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:27,600 to contain um to get a a more favorable 1588 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:30,080 response uh from the council. Thank you. 1589 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,600 Well, I think I share your concerns that 1590 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,760 the project does not seem financially 1591 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,199 feasible, but I think to John's point is 1592 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,120 we make those kind of changes, we have 1593 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:39,040 to do it thoughtfully to understand the 1594 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,880 impact. So, I think that's the plan as 1595 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:44,640 we move forward this year is to figure 1596 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,640 out Yeah. what the impacts are. Is it 1597 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,920 Yeah, I think there is agreement that 1598 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640 projects 1599 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,640 » Mr. Mayor. 1600 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,560 » Oh, yeah. 1601 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,120 » Director Moon, who's in the audience, 1602 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,280 good evening. uh has texted me to let me 1603 01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:00,239 remind me that the the city council did 1604 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,080 accept the pro uh uh report but not the 1605 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:04,800 recommendations on the report. So just 1606 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:07,679 to make sure that the record's clear, 1607 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:09,280 » I stand corrected. 1608 01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:12,239 » Uh [clears throat] 1609 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:14,400 okay. So I guess the the guidance we're 1610 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:17,199 looking to get is if this returns on the 1611 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,640 June 15th meeting, would after this 1612 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,320 discussion having just happened, would 1613 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,640 it would the preference to have it be on 1614 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,679 consent or on regular business? And I 1615 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:28,719 will reiterate that the budget will 100% 1616 01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:30,880 fund TR028 and finally build the trail 1617 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,960 from South Copen to town. But once 1618 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,560 again, this is looking for guidance. 1619 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,480 Council member Joe. 1620 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,679 » Mr. Mayor, I would ask that the public 1621 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:42,480 hearing remain open and that we continue 1622 01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:44,400 it to the next council meeting so that 1623 01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:46,719 public can have time to analyze this and 1624 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:49,040 then come back and comment and then we 1625 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:52,320 can close it out on the regular agenda 1626 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:54,159 at the next meeting. Be my preference. 1627 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,199 Is there a second? 1628 01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:58,320 » Second. There's 1629 01:11:55,199 --> 01:12:00,320 » Been a motion and a second. All those in 1630 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,520 favor of continuing the public hearing, 1631 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,760 please say I. 1632 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,600 » I. 1633 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:06,640 » I. 1634 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:08,560 » All those opposed. Nay. Okay, that 1635 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,440 passes unanimously. So, we will continue 1636 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:13,760 the public hearing on the tip and then 1637 01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:16,320 we will come back on June 15th and we 1638 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,719 will have another opportunity for public 1639 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:21,199 input and then at that point the plan 1640 01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:23,120 will be to to then go to regular 1641 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:26,400 business and the council can adopt the 1642 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:29,280 DIP or not at that stage. Excellent. 1643 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,040 Okay. So, that concludes 1644 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,199 that discussion item. We're now going to 1645 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,159 go to regular business. Agenda Bill 9178 1646 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,840 is Squad Police Department's 1647 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:41,159 Congressional Community Appropriations 1648 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:41,159 Grant. We're gonna have Dale Marky Crim. 1649 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:06,239 We go. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of 1650 01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:08,159 the council. uh Dale Marquee Crimp, 1651 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:10,560 assistant to the city administrator. Uh 1652 01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:13,360 and I am here tonight to present on the 1653 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,280 Isiqua Police Department's uh 1654 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,800 congressional community appropriations 1655 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,199 grant. 1656 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,239 The purpose of my presentation this 1657 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:25,199 evening is twofold. One is to seek the 1658 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:28,480 council's approval uh for the acceptance 1659 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:31,600 of the grant uh for conducted energy 1660 01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:33,280 devices. I will also uh like Sergeant 1661 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,760 Asel call them tasers for the remainder 1662 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:40,000 of the presentation. um for the Isqua 1663 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:42,560 Police Department and to PA seeking uh 1664 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,480 council passage of a proposed resolution 1665 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:47,120 outlining the terms of the grant 1666 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:49,920 acceptance, the cancellation of the 1667 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:53,440 flock safety memorandum of understanding 1668 01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,679 and uh setting a policy requirement uh a 1669 01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:58,480 policy adoption requirement for any city 1670 01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:00,239 action on automated license plate reader 1671 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:02,320 technology. 1672 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:04,320 Bless you. I don't know where it came 1673 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,960 from, but bless you. 1674 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,640 Um, the administration is recommending 1675 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,800 that the city council approve the 1676 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:13,120 resolution accepting the grant funds and 1677 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:16,800 outlining how the grant funding will and 1678 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:19,280 will not be spent. 1679 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,520 But first, a little bit of background or 1680 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:24,960 a lot of bit of background. 1681 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:27,280 So, in taking us all the way back um to 1682 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,320 January 2025, 1683 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,920 potentially late December 2024, when the 1684 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:35,679 Isqua Police Department was first 1685 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:38,480 considering applying for this grant, um 1686 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:40,560 at the time they actually initially were 1687 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:43,600 considering two separate applications, 1688 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,360 one for tasers and one for ALPR 1689 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,360 technology. 1690 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,280 In conversation with Representative 1691 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,760 Shrier's office, the administrator of 1692 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:55,199 the grant, uh it was recommended to them 1693 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:59,360 to combine those two requests into one 1694 01:14:55,199 --> 01:15:00,640 single request. Also, it became clear to 1695 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,320 the police department at the time that 1696 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,920 they were considering this that while 1697 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:07,520 the council was likely quite familiar, 1698 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,480 we found out at the last meeting some 1699 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:13,120 very familiar with tasers um on the 1700 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:14,880 receiving end of a taser, um they were 1701 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,679 probably less familiar with ALPR 1702 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,440 technology and that whether or not our 1703 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:21,760 grant application was accepted, whether 1704 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:24,480 or not that grant application was then 1705 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,880 funded, the police department did need 1706 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:29,520 to come to the council to share about AL 1707 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,199 LPR technology in the first place, even 1708 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,760 though the city had no money at the time 1709 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:35,360 to fund it. Then you can see this 1710 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,520 beautiful green line in the middle of 1711 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,920 this lovely timeline. 1712 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:42,480 It's meant to represent a long gap, but 1713 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:46,000 it is a very short line. The city was 1714 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:49,040 notified in January of 2026 1715 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:51,360 uh that the the grant request was going 1716 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,560 to be funded. This is kind of a long 1717 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:56,320 delay. Um but a lot of time had passed 1718 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,320 and a lot had happened in the community 1719 01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,239 between the original submission of the 1720 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,840 grant and finding out that it had been 1721 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:07,520 funded. Um as is shared in the materials 1722 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,600 for tonight. Um not only did we have um 1723 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:12,239 act federal immigration enforcement 1724 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,920 activity in our community um that really 1725 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:17,199 called into question the safety, 1726 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:19,840 security, and data privacy of flock 1727 01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:22,400 safety camera systems. Um, we also had a 1728 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,840 new mayor who had an opportunity to meet 1729 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,000 with the police department and get clear 1730 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,480 on what their priorities were, what the 1731 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:31,360 funding needs were, and what technology 1732 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:32,960 was most needed by the department. 1733 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,120 Simultaneously, 1734 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,280 uh, around this early January time, our 1735 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,679 state legislature was considering 1736 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:42,679 regulation at the state level of ALPR 1737 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:42,679 technology. 1738 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,199 So, um, in March and April, we heard 1739 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,800 from the community loud and clear, um, 1740 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:54,080 and also members of the council that 1741 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:57,440 there was some extreme reservation 1742 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:58,719 around the city's adoption of ALPR. The 1743 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,640 mayor also met with the police 1744 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:02,480 department to get clear with them on how 1745 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:06,560 they wanted to use this money that had 1746 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:10,480 been awarded. And on April 6th, IPD 1747 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:13,440 knowing that um tasers were the singular 1748 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:15,920 priority for them at this point, um they 1749 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:17,920 went back to Axon, who is the supplier 1750 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,800 of our taser and our bodywn camera 1751 01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,440 equipment to get an up-to-date uh quote 1752 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:26,000 about how much it would cost. At that 1753 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:28,640 point, uh, the IPD realized or learned 1754 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:30,560 from Axon that the cost of the tasers, 1755 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:33,440 as originally quoted, were going to take 1756 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:36,000 up nearly all of the gr awarded grant 1757 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:37,360 money. And so they explored other 1758 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,760 options for how they might spend the 1759 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:42,800 very small amount, the just over 4,500 1760 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:46,159 remaining dollars in this grant award. 1761 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,760 on May 11th, uh folks much closer to 1762 01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:49,760 this technology than I came and 1763 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,400 presented to the council about both the 1764 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,560 grant and the proposal to the new 1765 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:58,159 proposal which I have on the next slide 1766 01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:00,000 um on how to spend the money. 1767 01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:03,679 So again, just to reiterate as a bit of 1768 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,280 background, um there was an initial uh 1769 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:07,600 request 1770 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:10,960 that was made in the grant um 1771 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:13,040 application for tasers and for flax 1772 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,920 safety cameras. 1773 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:18,480 That request was updated um when we went 1774 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,159 back to Axon to request a new quote for 1775 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:22,800 tasers, finding that it would take 1776 01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:25,840 nearly all of the appropriated dollars 1777 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:27,840 of the grant towards tasers. 1778 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:31,760 It was then decided that a better spend 1779 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:35,840 of that remaining $4,500 would be on 1780 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:37,840 replacing um the recently uh broken 1781 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:41,159 interview room camera system in our 1782 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,159 police department. 1783 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,400 Before I talk very briefly about tasers, 1784 01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:48,000 it should be um reiterated the city then 1785 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,640 went back to Representative Shrier's 1786 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,520 office to ensure that this was an okay 1787 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,600 change. That money was granted. it would 1788 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,239 this be an okay change to how we spend 1789 01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:00,719 the money and that was approved 1790 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:04,480 and now actually Representative Shrier's 1791 01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:07,760 website reflects that change as well. 1792 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:10,239 So just a a quick reminder on tasers, 1793 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,640 why why the city is requesting money for 1794 01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:14,560 tasers, why this was a really important 1795 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:18,080 financial request through this 1796 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:20,159 appropriations um grant. So, as it was 1797 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,640 presented by Sergeant Asbel, someone 1798 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:24,480 much more an expert in tasers than I, 1799 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:27,679 um, in consultation with the mayor 1800 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:30,000 earlier this year, they emphasized that 1801 01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:32,960 taser replacement was essential at this 1802 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,800 point. We have a number of tasers that 1803 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,280 are getting very close to or slightly 1804 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:39,280 past their useful life, um, which 1805 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,600 reduces safety for both the community 1806 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:44,719 and our officers. 1807 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:48,880 New tasers, as we learned about on May 1808 01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:50,480 11th, um provide added safety for our 1809 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,000 community and our officers through 1810 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:56,800 updated ways of both signaling that the 1811 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,719 uh device is being used and making sure 1812 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,960 that it's done successfully and 1813 01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:03,600 accurately. 1814 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,560 Also, um, and what I thought was was 1815 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:09,360 most exciting, um, as a civilian and 1816 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:11,280 novice, um, is that the these new tasers 1817 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,679 would have connectivity to our bodywn 1818 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:16,800 camera system, ensuring that anytime a 1819 01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:18,960 taser is taken out of its holster, um, 1820 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,600 it activates not just the body camera of 1821 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,520 the officer with the taser, but the body 1822 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:28,800 camera of any officers within the 1823 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:30,640 vicinity of the the scene. 1824 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,719 And I think it's notable that I'd like 1825 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,719 to talk a bit about um the trade-offs 1826 01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:36,719 with the ALPR technology and choosing 1827 01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:38,400 not to pursue that as part of this grant 1828 01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:39,920 process. 1829 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,120 Many members of the community, some who 1830 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,239 are here tonight, some who are just 1831 01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:46,560 here, and oh, some who are standing, um 1832 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:49,280 have shared very clearly their concerns 1833 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:53,280 about the use of ALPR and and of flock 1834 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:56,800 safety systems in particular. Um, while 1835 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:59,760 the original proposal included uh 12 1836 01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:02,159 flock safety cameras, this proposal 1837 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,640 evolved for valid reasons, not just the 1838 01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:06,719 concerns that were named, but also the 1839 01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:09,920 the data security and the appropriate 1840 01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:12,719 use of the tool. As shared on May 11th, 1841 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:15,679 um, researcher Phil Nef uh shared 1842 01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:18,320 research that these systems were being 1843 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:21,600 accessed by federal officers both 1844 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:24,080 through directly and indirectly. um and 1845 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,800 the lack of security around how the data 1846 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,719 is used and stored brought up a lot of 1847 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:32,800 questions about the technology as it 1848 01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:35,360 currently exists. And um as also shared 1849 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,760 at that same meeting, ALPR can still be 1850 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,520 an invaluable tool for investigative 1851 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,280 purposes. 1852 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,840 However, no matter the trade-offs, no 1853 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:48,000 matter where you personally fall on the 1854 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:51,199 spectrum of ardent support for ALPR or a 1855 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,280 full ban, uh we can all I think agree 1856 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:56,159 that there's a need for a clear policy 1857 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,320 that regulates ALPR use in line with 1858 01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:01,280 Isiqua's community values before we move 1859 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:04,159 forward in adopting any technology. And 1860 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:07,760 so that's why it came out um of the 1861 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:10,000 proposed use of the grant dollars. 1862 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:13,360 So, the proposal tonight is to approve 1863 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,120 the acceptance of the 2026 community 1864 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,199 appropriations grant for the purchase of 1865 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,239 new tasers and the replacement of 1866 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:22,480 interview room camera equipment. 1867 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,080 Specifically, the administration is 1868 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,840 recommending that you pass the city 1869 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,280 council pass a resolution further 1870 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,600 outlining the terms of this grant 1871 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,360 acceptance to include the following. 1872 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,880 that the money will only be spent on 1873 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,960 tasers and interview room camera 1874 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,040 equipment that acknowledges the 1875 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,360 termination of the city's memorandum of 1876 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:42,239 understanding with flock safety and that 1877 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,400 requires an ALPR reader policy be 1878 01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:46,960 developed public consider publicly 1879 01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,960 considered and adopted by ordinance by 1880 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:53,360 city council before any future city 1881 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:55,040 action is taken on this technology. 1882 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,760 A bit about why this is the 1883 01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:00,800 administration's proposal. 1884 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:03,120 So, we're here June 1. I don't have 1885 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:07,600 quite as uh lovely as a highlight as 1886 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:09,679 John did in his but June 1 today. Um 1887 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,440 there are two kind of significant 1888 01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:14,960 deadlines that the administration is 1889 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:16,800 working within right now. One is the 1890 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,040 June 30th deadline where our current 1891 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,360 quote from Axon expires and we would 1892 01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,679 need to ask for another quote and the 1893 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:25,840 other is the September 30th expiration 1894 01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:27,360 of the funds themselves that by which 1895 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:31,040 date we would need to accept those funds 1896 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:33,360 or they we do not get them they go away. 1897 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,120 It's not as easy as just saying yes 1898 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:37,360 there is some administrative work that 1899 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,800 will need to happen to prepare to 1900 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:44,320 receive to receive the funds. Um, and we 1901 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:46,800 know that I believe a conversation about 1902 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:49,120 automat automated license plate reader 1903 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,760 cameras may take longer than a single 1904 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:53,600 meeting. And with this in mind, we want 1905 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,199 to make sure that we can act on 1906 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,280 accepting the money for the tasers as 1907 01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:59,360 quickly as possible and then turn our 1908 01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,199 focus to making sure we have strong 1909 01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,520 meaningful policy that regulates a 1910 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:06,400 technology. 1911 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:09,199 So, you can see on here the plan is to 1912 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,960 uh come back to council on July 20th to 1913 01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:14,639 be able to start that conversation 1914 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:17,840 together as a group. 1915 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:19,360 The options tonight are three-fold. Um 1916 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:23,040 they of course have some nuance within 1917 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,480 them, but pass, delay, or do not pass. 1918 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,239 The administration is recommending that 1919 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:28,400 we pass the resolution that you pass the 1920 01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:30,480 resolution this evening. You may of 1921 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,840 course choose to delay, but delaying 1922 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:35,600 risks the taser quote lapsing, the costs 1923 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:38,320 increasing, or missing the window to 1924 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:41,280 accept those grant funds and not 1925 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:44,000 passing. Um, well, I don't think this 1926 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,679 has been talked about a ton. Um, the 1927 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,960 tasers are going to be in need of 1928 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:51,679 replacement. This is about, you know, 1929 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:54,480 half a million dollars that we have to 1930 01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:56,960 accept to spend on essential equipment. 1931 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:59,199 And if we were to choose not to accept 1932 01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,199 uh the grant award, we would need to 1933 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:03,040 find a new way. The word budget has been 1934 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:07,360 mentioned many times tonight, a new way 1935 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:09,600 to fund this essential purchase um that 1936 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,440 would potentially take money out of um 1937 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,679 other commitments, whether it be for 1938 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:16,080 police facilities or it be the general 1939 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:18,000 fund at large. So while that might not 1940 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,679 happen tomorrow, it will absolutely be 1941 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,440 the case over the course of the upcoming 1942 01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:23,120 years that this equipment will need to 1943 01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:25,120 be replaced. 1944 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,560 So again, the recommendation tonight uh 1945 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,639 from the administration is to approve 1946 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,320 the resolution accepting the grant funds 1947 01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:32,800 and outlining how the grant funding will 1948 01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:35,679 and will not be spent 1949 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,679 and timing and next steps. Following 1950 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:39,600 tonight's meeting, if the resolution is 1951 01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:41,280 passed, the administration will take the 1952 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,760 necessary administrative steps to accept 1953 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:49,040 the grant award and purchase the tasers. 1954 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:51,120 Um, and also work um to return to the 1955 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,960 council when the tasers are purchased. 1956 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,199 Given the purchase amount, the dollar 1957 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,639 amount is above $300,000, we'd come 1958 01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:58,400 back. So, you would know when those are 1959 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:59,679 purchased. And then on the bottom half 1960 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,840 of this timeline, you can see the 1961 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:03,360 workaround automated license plate 1962 01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:06,800 reader cameras that will come back to 1963 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,719 the council. um currently working on uh 1964 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,880 some draft policy matrix, but we'll come 1965 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:13,920 back to the council on July 20th to talk 1966 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,560 more about that. 1967 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:20,520 And that is where I'll pause. 1968 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,520 » All right. Any questions for Dale? 1969 01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:25,120 Looking looking. 1970 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,840 There you go, Jay. That is the ultimate 1971 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:32,639 sign of success. 1972 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:35,760 You got in front. Okay. So, not seeing 1973 01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:38,320 any questions. Is there a motion? 1974 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:41,840 Council President Marts. I move to 1975 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:46,239 approve resolution number 2026-13 1976 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:49,520 authorizing the acceptance of $452,477 1977 01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:51,520 in grant funding from the fisc year 26 1978 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,760 discretionary community funding program 1979 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,600 for the purchase of tasers and interview 1980 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,760 room equipment for the Isiqua Police 1981 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,520 Department and restricting any city 1982 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,440 action related to automated license 1983 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,360 plate reader technology until after a 1984 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:05,440 policy has been adopted by the Isiqua 1985 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:09,199 City Council and authorized the 1986 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:11,679 inclusion of 452,000 $477 in revenues 1987 01:27:09,199 --> 01:27:15,520 and related expenditures in a subsequent 1988 01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:16,719 2025 2026 budget amendment if needed. 1989 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,159 » Second. 1990 01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:20,639 » All right, there's been a motion and a 1991 01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:23,040 second. Is there any council discussion? 1992 01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:26,639 Council member Walsh. 1993 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:29,679 » Thank you, Dale. Great presentation. Um, 1994 01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:32,000 I think my concern coming out at this 1995 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:33,840 point was we had talked about this quite 1996 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,639 a lot and there was a lot of information 1997 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:39,520 out there. He did a really good job of 1998 01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:41,440 explaining to the community that their 1999 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:44,719 message was heard loud and clear and 2000 01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:47,600 that not only was that said in words, 2001 01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:50,159 but it was also said in the motion and 2002 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:53,440 the way that the presentation was made 2003 01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:55,040 to show that okay, not only are we doing 2004 01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:58,080 this with the congressional grant 2005 01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:00,480 acceptance, but here's the exact pathway 2006 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,800 that we are taking. So, thank you very 2007 01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:05,440 much for that clarity to the community. 2008 01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:08,000 Thank you very much for showing up. Your 2009 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:10,960 voices have been loud and clear and 2010 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:13,360 heard and will be continued to be heard 2011 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,159 as we go through the process of adopting 2012 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,719 that technology. But this is a check 2013 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,280 mark for good community engagement. 2014 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:21,760 Thank you. 2015 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,600 » Thank you very much. Council member 2016 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,120 Nichols, you're in the halfway point. I 2017 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,280 can't quite tell. Okay, that was okay. 2018 01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:30,560 Go, go, go. 2019 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,000 » Thank you. Um, 2020 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:35,199 didn't I? Yeah. Um, uh, thank you. I 2021 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,800 want to second everything that, uh, 2022 01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:39,600 Council Member Walsh has stated. Uh, 2023 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:41,120 again, thank you to Dale. Uh, lots of 2024 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,280 conversations on this topic over the 2025 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,719 past, uh, several months, I think. Um, 2026 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,400 and I know you put a ton of time into 2027 01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:48,480 this, a lot of work, and, uh, there 2028 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,639 you've had to come up to speed on a lot 2029 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:52,239 of new topics as well. Um, also, thank 2030 01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:54,000 you to the community for coming out and, 2031 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,679 uh, sharing your opinions with us very, 2032 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,120 very clearly. Uh, those opinions were 2033 01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:59,120 heard, and you can see the results of 2034 01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:01,520 those opinions being reflected in what 2035 01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,280 you're being presented with tonight. Um, 2036 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,560 so I'll just be brief and say that I 2037 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,920 support the resolution and I'm 2038 01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,360 comfortable that it satisfies the 2039 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,280 community concerns that have come up. 2040 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,520 Um, I think this is a a good path 2041 01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:14,239 forward, will give us a chance to set 2042 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,880 some very clear uh guidelines as 2043 01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:18,480 ordinances and uh that we will have more 2044 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,760 opportunity for everyone to take a look 2045 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,159 at those. They'll be there will be 2046 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:25,199 plenty of time to review them. Uh, and 2047 01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:26,880 feedback will again be very uh helpful 2048 01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,639 in that process. And uh, I appreciate 2049 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,880 that y'all will come out for that that 2050 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:32,239 as well. So again, thanks everybody for 2051 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,080 the good work and uh all the time that 2052 01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:36,239 went into this. 2053 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,239 » Right, Council Member Adair. 2054 01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:39,600 » Yeah, echoing the same thing. I I fully 2055 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,520 support this resolution as well as how 2056 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,840 you presented it and really made it very 2057 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:46,239 clear to both us, the audience, everyone 2058 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,760 who on how we how we got to here, what's 2059 01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:48,880 been done and and addressing all their 2060 01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,719 concerns. And the only thing I'm just 2061 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,639 going to really add is just further 2062 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:55,120 encouragement to the community to reach 2063 01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:57,360 out to us, to talk to others about what 2064 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:59,440 you want this ordinance to look like. 2065 01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:02,800 Um, I personally have a lot of questions 2066 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:05,120 in how to shape this and how how we 2067 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:07,280 address these technology concerns while 2068 01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:09,040 helping public safety and what that 2069 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,880 looks like. And I'm not positive what it 2070 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,440 looks like yet. And so I encourage the 2071 01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,360 community to continue to reach out to 2072 01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,639 us, but also to you the rest of the 2073 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,920 community so that everyone can give us 2074 01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,760 that feedback so that we can draft 2075 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:22,639 something that really reflects what our 2076 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,480 community needs. So thank you. 2077 01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:26,639 » All right. Thank you very much. Oh, 2078 01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:28,719 Council President Marts. 2079 01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:30,719 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, first and 2080 01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:33,440 foremost, I want to thank the public. 2081 01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:36,880 You know, we are not done uh with the 2082 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:39,280 subject of ALPRs. We This is um to quote 2083 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,639 my favorite politician, this is not the 2084 01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:44,239 end. Uh this is not the beginning of the 2085 01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:47,760 end, but this is perhaps the end of the 2086 01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:50,719 beginning. That's Winston Churchill. Uh 2087 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:53,120 so, but the public has been both 2088 01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:56,080 consistently passionate and extremely 2089 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:58,800 focused in its feedback. I mean, I I am 2090 01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,840 I am always sensitive to what uh the 2091 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:03,760 community hears and what our um city 2092 01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:06,880 employees hear and and what I have heard 2093 01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:08,480 is a real respect for the IPD, but a 2094 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:11,199 real concern about this technology. And 2095 01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:13,120 I think that fundamental um point is 2096 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:14,560 extremely important for for everyone to 2097 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,560 understand. I want to thank my fellow 2098 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,159 council members on this issue. you know, 2099 01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,080 later on a different issue, you're going 2100 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,600 to hear me say that, you know, talk 2101 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,679 about the three biggest issues that 2102 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,360 we've had as a city in the 17 years that 2103 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:28,639 I've been on. I consider this one of the 2104 01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:31,040 three. And the fact that three 2105 01:31:28,639 --> 01:31:33,920 ostensively four of our council members 2106 01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:36,239 are relatively new um to the council is 2107 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,440 is is really quite extraordinary to have 2108 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:41,679 such a major issue come up with so many 2109 01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:44,719 um essentially new council members um 2110 01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:46,080 and yet still be able to find um the 2111 01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:47,440 important conversations with the 2112 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,280 administration. Again, we're not done 2113 01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:51,120 with this topic tonight, but we're 2114 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,520 taking a major step forward in both 2115 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,960 addressing community concern and council 2116 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,560 concern. So, I want to thank my fellow 2117 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,679 council members for this important 2118 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,280 discussion and of course I'll be 2119 01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:02,320 supporting this. Thank you. 2120 01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:04,080 » Thank you, Council Member Boyd. 2121 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:06,320 » Thank you, echoing all the thanks for 2122 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:10,159 the um detailed, incredible work that 2123 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:13,280 staff has done and uh to the community. 2124 01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:16,800 Um thank you so much for your feedback. 2125 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:20,639 Um and uh again I welcome echo council 2126 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:23,600 member Adair of um 2127 01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:26,719 help your feedback will help build what 2128 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:31,360 ultimately our guard rails will be on 2129 01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:33,199 any future technology. And uh I've often 2130 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,560 uh for me sometimes it's easier to you 2131 01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:36,080 know definitively say what we don't 2132 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,560 want. I think the community has 2133 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:40,560 definitively said what they do not want 2134 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,880 and then sometimes the more difficult 2135 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,360 work is deciding what we do want. And so 2136 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:48,239 I look forward to our future policy 2137 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,000 conversation on that. Thank you. 2138 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,199 » Thank you very much. And Dale, congrats. 2139 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,600 You've been a rock star through this 2140 01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:55,199 whole process. And uh if we gave out 2141 01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,440 gold stars, you would get a gold star. 2142 01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:59,360 Uh maybe we should start giving out gold 2143 01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:00,560 stars, Wally. 2144 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,840 Okay. There's no further discussion. The 2145 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:04,400 motion for the council is to approve 2146 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:07,360 resolution number 2026-13 authorizing 2147 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:09,600 the acceptance of $452,477 2148 01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:11,040 in grant funding from the fiscal year 26 2149 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,400 discretionary community funding program 2150 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,679 for the purchase of tasers and interview 2151 01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,040 room equipment for the Esqua Police 2152 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:16,320 Department and restricting any city 2153 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,679 action related to automated license 2154 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,440 plate reader technology until after a 2155 01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:20,880 policy has been approved by the city 2156 01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:23,120 council and authorized the inclusion of 2157 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,639 $452,477 2158 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:28,239 in revenues and related expenditures in 2159 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:30,719 a subsequent 2026 budget amendment if 2160 01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:31,520 needed. All those in favor, please say 2161 01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:33,600 I. 2162 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,960 » I. 2163 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:39,120 » All those opposed, nay. And that passes 2164 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:41,199 unanimously. Uh the next item of 2165 01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,480 business is ID 2037 Eastside Fire and 2166 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:44,320 Rescue Long-Term Governance and 2167 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,080 Financing Options. And our city 2168 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:49,080 administrator is going to give us a 2169 01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:49,080 briefing. 2170 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,840 I was just concerned about our facility 2171 01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,320 staff waiting through this for the next 2172 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,679 position, but they said they're okay. Uh 2173 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,520 Mr. Mayor, members of the council, good 2174 01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:05,920 evening. Uh we've placed on the agenda 2175 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:08,320 this evening at the request of Mayor 2176 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:10,719 Mullet and the council leadership a 2177 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:12,719 discussion regarding East Side Fire and 2178 01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:15,199 Rescue uh future organization and 2179 01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:17,440 finance issues. Chief AO, thank you for 2180 01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:19,840 for coming this evening. I think he did 2181 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:22,400 a nice job of kind of setting uh context 2182 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:25,520 to this. Uh council member Walsh has 2183 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:28,239 shared uh updates uh with the Epher 2184 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:30,000 board's discussions over the last uh 2185 01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:32,400 couple of months, but it was the feeling 2186 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:34,239 of Mayor Mullet and council leadership 2187 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:36,239 that perhaps this was an opportune time 2188 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:38,400 for the council to have a larger 2189 01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:41,440 discussion about where we are at this 2190 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:43,120 point, what the council feels it needs 2191 01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:44,800 uh to instruct its representatives on 2192 01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:47,040 the Ephraer board as these discussions 2193 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:49,440 move forward. So, uh, that really is the 2194 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,960 the presentation, Mr. Mayor. Um, we're 2195 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,679 certainly happy to answer any questions. 2196 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:56,239 Uh, Kristen was on the call, she's no 2197 01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:57,600 longer. Uh, but, uh, we'll be happy to 2198 01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:59,520 answer any questions, but certainly, I 2199 01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,280 think between yourself, uh, Council 2200 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:04,639 President Mart, you could lead the 2201 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:08,320 discussion, uh, from the the the talks 2202 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:12,320 that were had last week. 2203 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:15,280 Council President Marter, the uh 2204 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:17,600 I think the fairy board is obviously 2205 01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:21,360 going to make a fairly large decision to 2206 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:23,280 decide kind of as we heard I think from 2207 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,440 Chief Ajo during the public comments in 2208 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:28,000 terms of the three options going 2209 01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:29,199 forward. And I think at council 2210 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,199 leadership meeting last week on 2211 01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:33,199 Wednesday, I think it was discussed that 2212 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:35,360 well as council president Mars just said 2213 01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:37,679 like four of our council members are 2214 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:41,440 fairly new in this process. And I think 2215 01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:43,679 the kind of discussion was to maybe 2216 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:45,120 discuss if the council is ready to have 2217 01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:46,800 an opinion on those three options 2218 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,560 already or if the council would like to 2219 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,159 kind of request to get more information 2220 01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,080 from East Side Fire and Rescue at a 2221 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,320 committee the whole meeting so they can 2222 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,080 understand kind of what the different 2223 01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,760 permutations and options look like and 2224 01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,360 what the impacts are to the community. 2225 01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,960 And I think that's what prompted this 2226 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,199 discussion. And I see council member 2227 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,040 Walsh who is our rep bunny side fire and 2228 01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:08,159 rescue. Council member Walsh. 2229 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:12,719 » Thanks. Um, I just wanted to start with 2230 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:16,639 kind of a clarification on what the June 2231 01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:18,400 meeting is, but also I'm just very 2232 01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:20,560 excited and passionate about this. And 2233 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,239 so, I'm sorry if some of my lengthy 2234 01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,000 updates have given the impression that 2235 01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:26,800 things are moving really quickly or that 2236 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,400 we're hitting a point of no return. Um, 2237 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:32,000 the Ephro board has really tried to take 2238 01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,880 a very intentional path in having this 2239 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:38,560 conversation. As some of you who were on 2240 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,719 council last uh budget cycle know, we've 2241 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:44,480 had some really difficult budget 2242 01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:47,199 seasons. Um, and seeing those costs 2243 01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:48,960 increase has been really difficult. East 2244 01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:50,960 Side Fire and Rescue really was 2245 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:56,080 established 2246 01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:59,920 as an innovation in bringing together, 2247 01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:02,800 you know, regional governance for a fire 2248 01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:06,159 service, but we did so before the state 2249 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:09,520 had any kind of revenue levers. And so 2250 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:14,159 what we got was this really great cost 2251 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:17,119 savings from shared services. and we end 2252 01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:19,679 up with, you know, more services than we 2253 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:21,920 could necessarily do with an individual 2254 01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:24,480 fire service. That's why we've seen so 2255 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,639 many cities and fire districts move 2256 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:29,440 toward this east side fire and rescue 2257 01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:31,840 model. But what we didn't get was any 2258 01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:35,440 additional revenue levers. And so when 2259 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:37,840 the state developed this idea of 2260 01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:39,679 regional fire authorities, we saw a lot 2261 01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:43,119 of communities and fire districts 2262 01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:44,880 adopting this. But what East Side Fire 2263 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,400 and Rescue tried to do was this very 2264 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,480 intentional path of saying, "Okay, 2265 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:51,679 what's our problem statement that's 2266 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,400 around these budget issues and that's a 2267 01:37:51,679 --> 01:37:56,000 similar um and then reviewing all of our 2268 01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,560 limited options." So, I'll put it out 2269 01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,560 there. There's basically three options. 2270 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,360 Stay the course and continue having all 2271 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:06,800 of the cities and fire districts fund 2272 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:11,600 via just their revenue model. The second 2273 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:14,320 one is consolidate into a fire district. 2274 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:18,000 Um that gives us additional revenue 2275 01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:21,840 options, but we lose a lot of governance 2276 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:24,000 because none of us can represent on that 2277 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,719 board. It just becomes an elected fire 2278 01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:29,920 district board. And then the third is 2279 01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:32,719 explore a regional fire authority that 2280 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:36,400 can give us some of the governance 2281 01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:39,360 options as well as um the additional 2282 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:41,679 financing levers. There's a few other 2283 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:45,360 pieces and you know tweaks in there but 2284 01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:47,280 those are the three main ideas. So we 2285 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,199 were reviewing those limited options and 2286 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:51,440 then discussing the pros and cons of 2287 01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:54,000 each of them from three different 2288 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:56,159 perspectives. the residents, what do 2289 01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,320 they get if we make a change? The 2290 01:38:56,159 --> 01:39:00,080 jurisdictions, you know, the cities and 2291 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,880 the fire districts and also East Side 2292 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,960 Fire and Rescue. So, I wanted to start 2293 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,880 with why you've been hearing a lot about 2294 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:09,440 that is because East Side Fire and 2295 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:12,639 Rescue Board has been going through that 2296 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:15,679 conversation and educating ourselves so 2297 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:18,719 that we can make an educated movement 2298 01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:21,040 forward. That being said, 2299 01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:25,760 the decision point for Epher on June 2300 01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:29,199 11th is a vote merely to approve 2301 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:31,040 that the chief begin education of our 2302 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:33,119 member jurisdictions, which is the city 2303 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,719 and fire districts. 2304 01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:39,280 There is no vote saying 2305 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:42,800 regional fire authority is it all of 2306 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:46,880 that. That decision is the cities and 2307 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:48,639 the fire districts. Um, but we wanted to 2308 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,719 ensure that the board's questions were 2309 01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:53,040 answered and we could kind of agree on a 2310 01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:54,880 general direction before asking the 2311 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:57,040 chief to go into all of those 2312 01:39:54,880 --> 01:40:02,800 discussions which we're proposing would 2313 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:05,520 happen from July to October. Um, so I 2314 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:08,920 guess I I want to clarify that the 2315 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,920 decision point 2316 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:16,080 is direction and education, but our 2317 01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:18,560 direction to the chief is going to be 2318 01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:21,600 that each of the cities and fire 2319 01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:24,639 districts should go through the full 2320 01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:26,960 pros and cons of all of these options 2321 01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:30,480 along with the board's recommendation 2322 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:34,080 because it would be too difficult to it 2323 01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:36,800 it wouldn't be true to just give one 2324 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:41,520 recommendation and not have that full 2325 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:43,840 conversation out there. Um, and Isiqua 2326 01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:47,840 maintains the decision authority on 2327 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:49,679 whether to join a planning committee to 2328 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:52,560 create a fire district or a regional 2329 01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:55,119 fire authority. Once something like that 2330 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:57,600 is created, it's about 18 months of 2331 01:40:55,119 --> 01:41:00,239 detailed work on what are all of the 2332 01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:03,679 levers, what are all of the pieces, and 2333 01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:07,840 then everything would go in front of 2334 01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:09,760 voters if we went down um that path. So, 2335 01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:12,320 happy to answer any questions. I'm sure 2336 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:14,320 the chief can answer a lot of questions, 2337 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,320 but I just wanted to clarify there are 2338 01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,320 no 2339 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:21,600 decisions 2340 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:25,840 in June at the Eastside Fire and Rescue 2341 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:29,199 that tie Isaakqua's hands. It's just 2342 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:31,119 whether or not we feel that we're ready 2343 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:32,960 um from an eastside fire and rescue 2344 01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:35,360 perspective for the chief to go out and 2345 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,320 start the conversation with each of the 2346 01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,400 cities. 2347 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,639 » Okay. before I call on Council President 2348 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,719 Martz, but I think I mean if I'm looking 2349 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:45,600 at Chief Ajo correctly from his public 2350 01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:47,280 comments, I thought there was at the 2351 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,320 June 11th meeting going to be a request 2352 01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:52,080 to pick one of those three options as a 2353 01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,760 initial 2354 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,159 study path. Is that correct? Mhm. 2355 01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:03,040 » My direction to the chief as vice chair 2356 01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:04,800 was that we as a board from Epher make a 2357 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:11,199 recommendation 2358 01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:13,760 of a path and use that and present all 2359 01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:17,600 of the options to each of the cities 2360 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:20,400 because there is no locking in on 2361 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:22,560 anything because each of the cities 2362 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,199 would have to choose to join a planning 2363 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,880 committee. 2364 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:26,080 » Okay. And I'll turn to Council President 2365 01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,840 Marts. I think at leadership the 2366 01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,280 discussion was it seemed like the order 2367 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,480 was kind of flip-flopped. It seemed like 2368 01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,560 it would be like let's have the 2369 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:34,320 discussion with the council of how the 2370 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,400 options look so the council could kind 2371 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:38,480 of weigh in. But go President Council 2372 01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:41,280 President Marts. 2373 01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:45,119 » So I'm a former member of East Side Fire 2374 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:46,800 and Rescue board. Um I I think there's a 2375 01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:49,520 lot there's a lot of questions. I don't 2376 01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:51,040 know I don't really understand the the 2377 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,560 timing all that well right at the 2378 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:55,040 moment. I guess I'm a visual person. and 2379 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:58,320 I like presentations. Um, at the heart 2380 01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:00,560 of it, um, and I'm not arguing one way 2381 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:02,719 or the other. I'm just 2382 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,719 enunciating the the questions I guess 2383 01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:06,880 that I have. At the heart of it, it's a 2384 01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:10,159 decision about continuing to carry this 2385 01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:12,639 cost ourselves or to potentially move to 2386 01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:15,679 an option where somebody else carries 2387 01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:17,760 those costs, right? With legislated 2388 01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:20,480 options that are different than us 2389 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:22,639 carrying those costs. Um, one of the 2390 01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:25,280 things that I haven't seen, I've heard 2391 01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:26,480 whispers. People who are for say one 2392 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,080 thing, people who are against say 2393 01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:30,560 another thing. I would really love to 2394 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:33,360 see comps. I would really love to see 2395 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:35,760 what the actual costs of fire districts 2396 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,000 are for residents. What the actual costs 2397 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,600 of RFAS are for residents versus the 2398 01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:42,239 costs that we have because my 2399 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,400 understanding is, and somebody can tell 2400 01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,840 me if I'm wrong, but we actually 2401 01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:47,840 Eastside Fire and Rescue does a pretty 2402 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:51,040 amazing job with the money that it has. 2403 01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:53,760 And we have we pay although costs have 2404 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:55,760 been going up um we pay a very 2405 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:59,040 reasonable amount of money still a huge 2406 01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,800 number but a but for our residents if 2407 01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:03,760 you ask our residents how much do you 2408 01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:06,000 spend for your $500,000 house or 2409 01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,840 whatever um that we do very well with 2410 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,840 East Side Fire and Rescue. So I that's 2411 01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:12,320 part of what I would want to understand 2412 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,480 um before going much further. Um and 2413 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:16,480 then I'm still I am honestly still 2414 01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:18,800 confused about options and timing. We're 2415 01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:22,320 part of a large group. East Side Fire 2416 01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:26,320 and Rescue in incorporates three cities 2417 01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:29,920 and several fire districts and um 2418 01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:31,920 contract cities. And I won't I I tell 2419 01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,920 you today, I don't really understand how 2420 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,920 this, you know, there's game theory on 2421 01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,360 this whole thing, right? And I don't 2422 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,719 really understand how the game theory 2423 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:42,639 works out when there's so many different 2424 01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:44,960 organizations, some of whom are not in 2425 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:46,639 as and I hate to use the word rosy 2426 01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,920 because Wall-E will probably blanch 2427 01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,840 because I'm sure our finances aren't 2428 01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,440 really rosy, but our finances are rosy 2429 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,280 compared to some of the other partners 2430 01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:54,960 in East Side Fire and Rescue and that 2431 01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,400 gets into some of the conversations. So, 2432 01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,920 these are all questions that I have and 2433 01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,600 again I'm not saying we should do one 2434 01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,679 thing or the other, but they're a bunch 2435 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:04,800 of question marks that I have today 2436 01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:07,360 tonight and wondering how we proceed as 2437 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:10,159 a city to get those question marks 2438 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,320 answered because I do worry that if we 2439 01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:14,719 go down if if East Side as a 2440 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:17,280 organization goes down a certain path, 2441 01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:19,119 our options will be limited um after 2442 01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:21,520 that decision is made. 2443 01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:23,360 » Thank you, Council Member Boyd. 2444 01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:25,840 Um I think it would be helpful for me to 2445 01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:27,840 get some clarity when we talk about uh 2446 01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,400 education. I I guess you can tell me if 2447 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:34,639 my what I'm picturing is correct or not 2448 01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:38,880 not of uh if the board effectively gives 2449 01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:41,840 their preferred path. Um and then that 2450 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:44,639 means that the chief or representatives 2451 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:47,840 of the chief go to the different member 2452 01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:51,440 jurisdictions, cities and the education 2453 01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:54,400 portion is them saying this was the 2454 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:56,719 epher board's preferred path. Here are 2455 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:58,000 the other paths and just okay sorry if 2456 01:45:56,719 --> 01:46:00,080 I'm just repeating back to you what you 2457 01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,360 said but okay if that accurately 2458 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,199 captures it that's helping me understand 2459 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,880 a little better. Thank you. And I think 2460 01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:06,320 tonight's discussion is decide if this 2461 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,639 council is ready to pick one of those 2462 01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:10,000 three preferred paths tonight because 2463 01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:13,119 there's not another council meeting 2464 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:16,239 between now and June 11th. So that 2465 01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:19,119 decision would have to be made because 2466 01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:21,199 Aqua as a member of Epher at this point 2467 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:23,280 is expected to take a position on which 2468 01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:24,239 three of those paths to pick and I think 2469 01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:28,119 that's the reason we're having this 2470 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:28,119 conversation. Council member Nichols 2471 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,440 It seems like there's a good amount of 2472 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,920 confusion just around the timing of 2473 01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:39,920 different events and when so what the 2474 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:42,080 what so there's confusion around what 2475 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,719 the events are, what the timing of those 2476 01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:49,000 events are and what the implications of 2477 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:49,000 those events are and also 2478 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:56,880 doors or not. Um that would probably be 2479 01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:00,320 a a good presentation. We have a June 2480 01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:01,679 8th cow. Um, I appreciate that's not a 2481 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,760 scheduled meeting, but that seems like 2482 01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:08,480 it might be a good time to if that can 2483 01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:10,320 be put together briefly as a overview of 2484 01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:11,920 just lay out a calendar. Here's the 2485 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:14,000 decisions that will come. Here's the 2486 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:15,920 ones that are 2487 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:19,600 that we that we really can't walk back 2488 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:21,199 from by statute. Here's the ones that 2489 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:23,360 even though we could walk back from 2490 01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:24,800 them, they will h they will put us on a 2491 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,960 path that may be harder to walk back 2492 01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,920 from. and here's the ones that really 2493 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:32,000 are not real decisions at all. They're 2494 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,440 moreformational. I think that's the bit 2495 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,199 of information that we're lacking at the 2496 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:36,719 moment. Uh I don't think there's any way 2497 01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:38,960 we can make a decision tonight. I don't 2498 01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:40,320 see how that would be possible. Um but 2499 01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:43,360 that seems like the biggest missing 2500 01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:45,199 piece that would be good to get out as 2501 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,280 soon as possible essentially. Council 2502 01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:50,080 member Adair. 2503 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:52,159 » Uh as uh the other member on East Side 2504 01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:54,400 Fire, um I the only thing I'll add to 2505 01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,840 this in terms of my perspective on it 2506 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:59,199 and the perspective on this decision. Um 2507 01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,280 you know, I've had discussions with some 2508 01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,719 members here and I've also, you know, 2509 01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,239 this has been one of the things on my 2510 01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:06,480 mind a lot because I think this is a 2511 01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:08,719 very big consequential decision and has 2512 01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,320 a a ton of complexity to it. So I fully 2513 01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:12,880 understand people's confusions, people's 2514 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:15,040 questions on this because every option 2515 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:16,800 has so many different pros and cons and 2516 01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:19,520 things to it. So how I've viewed this 2517 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:21,920 June meeting discussion has not been a 2518 01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:25,360 this is a point of no return. This is a 2519 01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:27,520 um key decision point other than the 2520 01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:30,320 board having been presented all the 2521 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:34,239 options. Is there an option that is not 2522 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:36,480 just stay the course that we should add 2523 01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:37,600 get more information on? Because one of 2524 01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:39,040 the options as mentioned is just stay 2525 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,880 the course, leave everything as is. And 2526 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,320 so if the board were to decide that, 2527 01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,320 then everything would stay, nothing 2528 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:47,119 would change. And more that the board's 2529 01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:50,080 discussion is about do is any of these 2530 01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:52,880 other options worth pursuing? And if so, 2531 01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:55,760 we're saying let's pursue one of these 2532 01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:57,440 options as a possibility to to do 2533 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,880 because everything so many of the 2534 01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,159 questions to this that what it's going 2535 01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:03,199 to cost our residents, what it's going 2536 01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:05,199 to be actually can't even fully be known 2537 01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:08,239 yet until we into like even like the 2538 01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:10,239 planning committee. So, it's more 2539 01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:12,560 is this is this something that East Side 2540 01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:14,159 Fire should look into and then again 2541 01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:17,040 start presenting to the city, start 2542 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:18,880 seeing what city involvement is. And so 2543 01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:21,679 that's how I have perceived this this 2544 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:25,040 decision to be made next week is that 2545 01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:27,600 are any of these choices worth worth you 2546 01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:29,760 know continuing down the path but I do 2547 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:32,239 not see it as any kind of you know 2548 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:35,280 definitive gate that you know requires 2549 01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:38,239 anything that is not able to be backed 2550 01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:40,000 out of it's really just like should we 2551 01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:41,520 proceed should we look into something 2552 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,440 that is not stay the course and so 2553 01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:46,159 that's how I have kind of perceived this 2554 01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,679 decision coming up if that helps clarify 2555 01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,760 anything for anybody else? 2556 01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:52,080 » Council member Joe, 2557 01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:55,119 » Thank you. Um, 2558 01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,440 when I first came on council in 1999, I 2559 01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:58,880 didn't request uh East Side Fire and 2560 01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:00,880 Rescue as a committee, but I was placed 2561 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,560 on East Side Fire and Rescue as as a 2562 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,560 committee. And they were going through 2563 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:08,560 the initial growing pains of of a new 2564 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:10,719 organization. And it was um refreshing 2565 01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:12,880 and invigorating to see a new 2566 01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:15,840 organization get its legs under it under 2567 01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:18,400 under it and and to flourish along the 2568 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:20,719 way. But at that time there was and 2569 01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:22,159 there always has been discussion of how 2570 01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:24,159 to fund the organization, how to 2571 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:26,480 properly make sure that uh all the 2572 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:29,600 members were paying their fair share 2573 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:31,199 etc. This is one avenue of regional fire 2574 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,840 authority that needs to be explored and 2575 01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:36,000 it was recently put into place by the 2576 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,000 legislature. I think we deserve to have 2577 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,520 it explored, but we also need to keep in 2578 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,159 mind that we probably need more 2579 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:45,360 information. Um, 2580 01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:48,159 this last month we we devoted $800,000 2581 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:50,000 in our in our budget to East Side Fire 2582 01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:52,239 and Rescue, which amounts to about 13% 2583 01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:54,000 of the monthly expenditures. So, it's a 2584 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:56,159 fairly big chunk and we need to make 2585 01:50:54,000 --> 01:51:00,239 sure that we understand all the options 2586 01:50:56,159 --> 01:51:02,159 before we um give our representatives u 2587 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:03,600 um guidance on how we want to go 2588 01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:05,760 forward. So, I would be in favor of 2589 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:07,440 bringing it to a Cal when we have the 2590 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:10,400 appropriate scheduling so that we can 2591 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:12,960 get some of those questions answered. Um 2592 01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:16,159 uh and uh I would encourage leadership 2593 01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:17,600 to reach out to each of us to um give us 2594 01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:19,520 some additional an additional cheat 2595 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:22,400 sheet if you will and then we can ask 2596 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:25,199 our questions from there uh and try to 2597 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:27,920 have a good basis of of uh the issues 2598 01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:29,679 that we think are are um at the heart of 2599 01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:32,080 things for us right now that can be 2600 01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:34,719 discussed at that uh cal whenever it 2601 01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:37,040 does get scheduled. Thank you. 2602 01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:40,480 Can I ask uh Chief AO would you be able 2603 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:42,639 to answer a question if you I guess on 2604 01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:45,760 Council Member Joe's 2605 01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:48,400 is there a is is there a time 2606 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:50,480 sensitivity to making this initial 2607 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:53,199 decision on June 11th or is that date 2608 01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:56,719 have flexibility to it or what's there I 2609 01:51:53,199 --> 01:51:58,159 guess what's the sense like if if the 2610 01:51:56,719 --> 01:52:00,880 council were to request to have more 2611 01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:02,320 information is it like well we can't 2612 01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:04,320 wait because we have to go forward on 2613 01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:06,320 June 11th for X Y and Z or what's that 2614 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,960 look like? I guess from from Epher's 2615 01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,892 perspective. 2616 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:11,280 » Yeah, it's a fair question. Um, 2617 01:52:08,892 --> 01:52:14,320 [clears throat] excuse me. Uh, yeah, 2618 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:17,280 June 11th is not a a drop deadad date on 2619 01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:19,840 that. That was one that we had um 2620 01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:22,480 decided upon only because we've been 2621 01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:24,639 talking about this since March as we go 2622 01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:27,920 through the educational process. Um, 2623 01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:30,239 there is two partners that uh are within 2624 01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,440 East Side Fire and Rescue that are have 2625 01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:35,360 already made a decision and they are 2626 01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:38,000 moving forward. Um uh 2627 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:40,159 » Is that 38 in in Northbend? 2628 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:42,400 » Yeah. And so in fact tomorrow night the 2629 01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,560 city of Northbend is going to appoint 2630 01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:46,560 their three planning committee members. 2631 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:49,040 So some of it was to try to get in 2632 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:51,840 alignment uh for the overall 2633 01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:54,400 conversation. So there isn't a couple 2634 01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:57,520 partners that are getting either too far 2635 01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:00,800 out ahead of the rest of either overall. 2636 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:03,040 So we can try to coordinate this as a 2637 01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:06,239 concerted effort and maintain East Side 2638 01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:08,960 Fire as the original founders were um 2639 01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:11,760 deciding uh those we do have some 2640 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:13,920 partners as uh council member Walsh 2641 01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,080 identified was do have some financial 2642 01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,400 concerns where they are within two years 2643 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:21,920 that they have to make some decisions. 2644 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:24,800 Um, and being this an 18 months a 2-year 2645 01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:26,960 process, uh, the clock is ticking. As 2646 01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:31,280 far as East Side Fire, uh, the existing 2647 01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:33,760 ILA will expire in 31. So, trying to 2648 01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:36,719 coordinate something with, uh, five 2649 01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:38,320 partners plus the potential of 2650 01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:42,560 incorporating some of the contract 2651 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:45,440 agencies if they so choose, uh, ahead of 2652 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:48,639 the expiration of that ILA can be a 2653 01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:50,239 lengthy process. um not only as we 2654 01:53:48,639 --> 01:53:52,639 talked about here is educating all of 2655 01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:55,040 our elected bodies, but also the 2656 01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:57,040 education that the community is going to 2657 01:53:55,040 --> 01:54:00,080 to need to understand what the direction 2658 01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:02,320 is um from our governing bodies. So 2659 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:05,199 yeah, sorry longwinded. 2660 01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:08,480 » No, no, that's so and then is there an 2661 01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:09,760 example like if 38 and Northbend formed 2662 01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:12,080 an RFA? Yes, sir. 2663 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:13,760 » Is there any examples of RF? There's I 2664 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:15,280 mean East Side Fire and Rescue is such a 2665 01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:18,480 unique model. I think it was kind of 2666 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,360 ahead of its time or still is a unique 2667 01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:19,599 model I guess. 2668 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,440 » Yeah. 2669 01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:22,880 » So there's really no examples of RFAS 2670 01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:25,040 partnering with like an Epher because 2671 01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:26,639 Epher is really one of a kind, right? Is 2672 01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:28,800 that fair? So there's really 2673 01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:31,040 » Yeah. There's no other fire departments 2674 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,320 districts in Washington state that are 2675 01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,040 structured the way East Side is. 2676 01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,639 » Yeah. 2677 01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:35,119 » So yeah, it's a unicorn from that 2678 01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:37,360 standpoint. 2679 01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:39,280 » Yeah. Council member Walsh. 2680 01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:42,239 » Yeah. Uh two statements on this. First 2681 01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:45,599 of all, I've talked with the chief. Um 2682 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:48,239 if Northbend and D38 do form an RFA, 2683 01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:50,960 they can continue to be a part of East 2684 01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:53,679 Side Fire and Rescue even if the other 2685 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:55,920 um jurisdictions do not. That would just 2686 01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:58,800 much like we have fire districts that 2687 01:54:55,920 --> 01:55:01,199 have um a different funding model and a 2688 01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:03,440 fire benefit charge, they could do so 2689 01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:06,480 and that would be just their payment. 2690 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:09,040 So, we've asked that question, but one 2691 01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:12,560 of the reasons we are moving on this 2692 01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:15,040 timeline is because D38 2693 01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:17,440 won't have money in two years. And what 2694 01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:20,080 does that mean for East Side Fire and 2695 01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:21,760 Rescue as an organization? Can we keep 2696 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:25,520 the band together? Can we keep 2697 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:29,920 everything moving? And then if D38 and 2698 01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:32,800 Northbend are setting up their own RFA 2699 01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:38,239 planning committee, 2700 01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:41,440 you know, I know that we could join in 2701 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:44,960 at a later date, but I do get worried 2702 01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:48,560 about another organization starting to 2703 01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:52,080 make decisions and going down a path 2704 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:56,480 that we then have to push into if we 2705 01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:59,280 decide that's the right move for us. So 2706 01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:02,239 I think toward what council member Adair 2707 01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:05,040 said about the idea of why is the East 2708 01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:06,960 Side Fire and Rescue Board making a 2709 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:10,719 decision and a recommendation at this 2710 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:13,920 point is just if we recommend to 2711 01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:17,280 continue funding as is. There is no 2712 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:20,320 action for the chief to take to educate 2713 01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:24,639 all of the cities and fire districts. If 2714 01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:27,599 we do recommend a path forward, then the 2715 01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:29,679 goal is to do all of the education on 2716 01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:31,199 what are the pros and cons of each of 2717 01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:35,360 these 2718 01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:38,719 and why the Epher board recommended a 2719 01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:43,280 certain path um 2720 01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:45,679 but then any organizations can or can't 2721 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:49,440 join in 2722 01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:53,679 um or continue paying with the current 2723 01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:55,280 model that we have. It just would be it 2724 01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:58,400 would continue to take up a very large 2725 01:56:55,280 --> 01:57:02,360 portion of our budget if we continue on 2726 01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:02,360 um with this same model. 2727 01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:08,960 So I guess 2728 01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:12,320 Chief Ajo, it seems like the the 2729 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:15,360 decision on June 11 you're saying isn't 2730 01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:17,440 like it's not like a drop dead date, but 2731 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:19,280 so the 2732 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:21,040 I guess this would maybe be an offline 2733 01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:23,840 conversation. It's just to figure out 2734 01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:25,599 like is there time for a committee the 2735 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:29,360 whole discussion to go through some of 2736 01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:31,199 the permutations or not. Uh, 2737 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:33,360 and that just becomes a question of what 2738 01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:35,520 date makes the most sense for that, I 2739 01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:37,599 guess. But council president Marts. 2740 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,360 » Yeah, I just want to plus one council 2741 01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:41,440 member Nichols suggestion of bringing it 2742 01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:42,719 to a cow, whether it's on the ETH, which 2743 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:45,520 I will unfortunately not be able to 2744 01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:47,040 attend, um, or a different date, coming 2745 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:49,760 back with some of the information, in 2746 01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:52,000 particular the comps. I I hear council 2747 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:54,159 member Adair. um some of the financials 2748 01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:57,679 aren't particularly understood but we 2749 01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:59,760 can see right granted epher is a unicorn 2750 01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:01,440 okay how do we compare to fire districts 2751 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:03,599 how do we compare to RFAS that are out 2752 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:06,960 there right I have heard a lot of 2753 01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:09,440 opinions about RFAS but as you and I 2754 01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:12,560 know the the bucks 2755 01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:15,679 you the bucks really tell a story all 2756 01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:18,960 their own so that plus other 2757 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:21,119 supplemental information um you know I I 2758 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:22,639 mean I hear 2759 01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:24,239 There's still this question about game 2760 01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:25,760 theory, right? And there's organizations 2761 01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:27,360 that are already moving forward and 2762 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:29,199 that's already going to circumscribe 2763 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:30,639 that's already changing the landscape, 2764 01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:33,520 but I would like to understand the 2765 01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:35,760 landscape um better at that cow whenever 2766 01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:38,880 whenever it occurs. Thank you, 2767 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:40,639 » Council Member Dair. Um, I think my 2768 01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,239 question is kind of in terms of the 2769 01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:45,920 clarity of this discussion we're having 2770 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:48,880 here is that is there are we trying to 2771 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:51,040 get to either an answer on what how 2772 01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:53,599 we're supposed to vote on the 11th or 2773 01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:56,080 trying to see if East Side Fire can have 2774 01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:58,400 not have the decision on that date and 2775 01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:01,280 is that what we're trying to get to 2776 01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:02,880 today? Um, and that's what I'm trying to 2777 01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:06,239 kind of clarify in terms of where where 2778 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:07,920 we're going in today's discussion. um is 2779 01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:09,840 yeah what we're trying to say here and 2780 01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:11,360 and if if we are saying we need to move 2781 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,719 that date is that possible because like 2782 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:15,520 it's not just our voice that's at that 2783 01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:18,400 meeting so yeah what that looks like 2784 01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:20,639 » Uh deputy president Jay 2785 01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,000 » Um yeah I think I mean I just want to 2786 01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:24,239 reiterate what I think has been said 2787 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:26,800 before which is that this is you know no 2788 01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:29,440 matter how you slice it fire is a very 2789 01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:31,760 big portion of our city budget second 2790 01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:34,639 possibly only to police in terms of our 2791 01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:36,239 general so any decision that we make I 2792 01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:37,840 do think it is very important that our 2793 01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:39,119 whole council is very cleareyed and 2794 01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:40,960 knowledgeable about all the different 2795 01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:43,520 aspects of it including you know the 2796 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:46,320 funding models what a fire benefit 2797 01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:47,599 charge is. I mean I have no idea. So I'm 2798 01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:51,679 very much looking forward to being 2799 01:59:47,599 --> 01:59:54,320 educated on this. Um I think you know I 2800 01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:55,840 I do think it's important for us to as a 2801 01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,840 council learn about all those different 2802 01:59:55,840 --> 02:00:00,239 things before we make a decision one way 2803 01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:02,960 or the other. If the decision that's 2804 02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:04,560 being made on the 11th really is just, 2805 02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:06,960 you know, oh, this is, you know, giving 2806 02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:09,119 the chief approval to go to the councils 2807 02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:11,440 and educate them about all the different 2808 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:12,880 options. I think that's fine. But I also 2809 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:14,560 think it might be a bit premature to 2810 02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:16,639 say, you know, oh, here are the options 2811 02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:19,199 that we think are the best ways forward. 2812 02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:21,040 I think we do need a full, you know, 2813 02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:23,920 exploration of what all the different 2814 02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:25,280 options are before we can say, oh, yeah, 2815 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,880 this is, you know, the one that we want 2816 02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:28,639 to recommend. Unless you know there's 2817 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:30,080 something where it's too too much staff 2818 02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:31,440 time to go into all three of those 2819 02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:33,760 options in detail and you really can 2820 02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:36,639 only choose one. So I guess my question 2821 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:38,719 to you Chief Ajo would be is it 2822 02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:40,080 realistic to you know give the full 2823 02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:41,199 council an overview of what all the 2824 02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:44,159 different options are and what the 2825 02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:45,520 potential you know financial etc um 2826 02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:47,760 implications would be. 2827 02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,840 » Yeah. Uh I already have the PowerPoint 2828 02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,000 built. We just went through it uh at the 2829 02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:53,360 last epher board meeting and I've uh to 2830 02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:55,679 answer some of your question, I've 2831 02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:58,080 already gone out and started educating 2832 02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:59,440 uh some of our contract agencies. In 2833 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:01,840 fact, I've got another presentation to 2834 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:04,000 do tomorrow night uh which is walking 2835 02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:06,080 the commission through uh to council 2836 02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,560 member Walsh's comment earlier. We 2837 02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:10,560 didn't want to waste your time if epher 2838 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:13,920 board says no, we're happy with how it 2839 02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:17,679 is. So then that puts puts a pin in it 2840 02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:19,599 right there. Um, so, uh, it may seem a 2841 02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:21,280 little bit out of sequence, um, on 2842 02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:26,000 there, but we're just trying to 2843 02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:28,480 represect your all of your time. 2844 02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:30,719 » Council member Boyd. 2845 02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:34,239 » Thank you, Chief. If I could ask as the 2846 02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:35,920 um I guess newest like alternate member 2847 02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:37,760 of the board who hasn't actually had a 2848 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:41,440 meeting yet, could you uh talk a little 2849 02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:43,840 bit about the intersections of this um 2850 02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:47,760 you know I'm hearing slower decision 2851 02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:50,400 point uh with the eerone you know 2852 02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:53,679 budgeting process cycle etc. 2853 02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:56,880 » Yeah, those are run uh two independent 2854 02:01:53,679 --> 02:02:01,840 timelines. Uh we still have to develop a 2855 02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:03,840 2728 budget process. Um uh our first 2856 02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:08,000 meeting on that is June 9th with the 2857 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:11,360 subcommittee um uh on that. So the RFA 2858 02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:12,880 conversation or the future consideration 2859 02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:15,040 conversation 2860 02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:18,480 uh that's going to take a lot longer 2861 02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:20,560 through the budget process um to come up 2862 02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:21,760 with the final determination. 2863 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:25,040 Ideally, we don't have to go through 2864 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:29,280 another budget process like this. Um but 2865 02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:31,520 that is a decision for you all to make. 2866 02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:33,840 Council member Walsh. 2867 02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:37,800 » Okay. So reiterating what council member 2868 02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:37,800 Adair said, 2869 02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:47,199 what is the direction for the Epher reps 2870 02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:49,360 for this next meeting? and maybe uh 2871 02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:52,159 talking to the administration, is it 2872 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:55,520 possible to put something in on the June 2873 02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:59,440 8th committee of the whole meeting? I 2874 02:02:55,520 --> 02:03:02,800 will say the EA board, it's taken us, I 2875 02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:06,880 don't know, probably three or so hours 2876 02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:09,760 of education on this to get to the point 2877 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:12,080 where we understand the financials, the 2878 02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:15,119 governance model, what the options are, 2879 02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:17,840 all of those things. So, I think that 2880 02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:22,960 would be a lot to put this council 2881 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:24,400 through on such a quick time frame. But, 2882 02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:25,679 I mean, I think council member Walsh, 2883 02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:26,800 you just hit kind of the nail on the 2884 02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:28,639 head. I think that's why people are 2885 02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:30,719 saying, is the June 11th date absolutely 2886 02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:33,199 necessary? Because, as I think you just 2887 02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:34,639 accurately 100% described, there's two 2888 02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:36,800 members of this council who sit on the 2889 02:03:34,639 --> 02:03:38,960 Epher board. The presentations have been 2890 02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:41,920 very lengthy and complicated. And I 2891 02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:43,599 think the conversation of leadership was 2892 02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:45,199 can we have one committee the whole 2893 02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:48,000 discussion to kind of have a deeper 2894 02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:50,400 dive. So the entire council kind of gets 2895 02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:53,599 a little more cut up to speed before 2896 02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:55,040 there's a you know just trying to I 2897 02:03:53,599 --> 02:03:58,000 think I understand your sequencing 2898 02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:00,320 question. I think at this point I think 2899 02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:02,400 it's uh it's fair to say the education 2900 02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:05,040 is not going to be a waste of time. I 2901 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:07,119 think it's going to be valuable. So, I 2902 02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:08,320 think the council, every member of the 2903 02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:10,159 council feels like they have enough 2904 02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:12,239 information to say, "Yes, this makes 2905 02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:14,800 sense." And uh I think that would just 2906 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:17,119 be the hope, but I think the the 2907 02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,800 question is, as you say, we're just one 2908 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:21,360 member of that board. And so, I don't 2909 02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:22,800 know if that date can be adjusted to 2910 02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:25,360 because I agree with council member 2911 02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:27,440 Walsh doing that same and council 2912 02:04:25,360 --> 02:04:29,119 president Marks isn't here on the 8th. 2913 02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:31,119 So, it would kind of be the committee 2914 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:33,280 the whole 2915 02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:34,880 which would be July 13th, I think. 2916 02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:37,840 Correct. City administrator would be the 2917 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:40,159 next one after June 8th. And so it's 2918 02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:41,440 just a it's not like a timeline given 2919 02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:44,080 the big scheme of what we're talking 2920 02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:46,080 about. We're talking about a month uh 2921 02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:48,159 difference or so. But I think there 2922 02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:50,880 would I don't know. That's the question 2923 02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:53,040 for this council. I think is is is the 2924 02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:54,800 request to have the committee the whole 2925 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,560 discussion 2926 02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,560 so the council can kind of figure out 2927 02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:00,960 like 2928 02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:04,000 how they would want their ephera reps to 2929 02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:06,000 vote during that 2930 02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,560 vote when it does occur of which of 2931 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:11,599 those three options is the best one to 2932 02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:14,400 kind of go down. So, the other part of 2933 02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:18,239 the question is, 2934 02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:20,480 does the city council feel like this is 2935 02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:23,040 one of those doors that you can't go 2936 02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:25,440 back through? I think we've tried to 2937 02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:30,080 clarify that 2938 02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:34,400 at this point the the goal of Epher 2939 02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:36,960 making a recommendation and sending the 2940 02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:40,880 chief or a representative out to each of 2941 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:43,760 the jurisdictions is like let's educate 2942 02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:47,440 but there is no decision there isn't 2943 02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:50,880 anything that locks us as a city in to 2944 02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:53,440 any changes. we could continue paying 2945 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:57,199 via our current model even if every 2946 02:05:53,440 --> 02:06:01,679 other organization within Epher goes a 2947 02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:03,199 different pathway. So I I'm not sure 2948 02:06:01,679 --> 02:06:05,520 what 2949 02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:09,360 the city 2950 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:12,480 councils need to 2951 02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:16,960 have the information before that vote 2952 02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:18,960 whether that makes sense to me. 2953 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,800 Council member Rair. 2954 02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:22,560 » Yeah. Again, I'll kind of clarify like 2955 02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,920 how was saying my perspective and 2956 02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,880 position on this has been almost like 2957 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:30,639 that the Ephford board has been 2958 02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:32,320 a SSP committee has been a subcommittee 2959 02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:33,679 going through digging in all the details 2960 02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:35,679 and then saying, "Okay, here's what we 2961 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:38,000 think and now we're going to pass it up 2962 02:06:35,679 --> 02:06:40,320 to council." Is how I've kind of seen 2963 02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,679 this decision as about digging all the 2964 02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:43,199 details, seeing what's there, and now 2965 02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:44,960 we're going to pass it to the cities to 2966 02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:48,079 actually look at this and see what each 2967 02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:50,480 city sees. And I feel that once this 2968 02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:52,400 decision made it was in June, I was kind 2969 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:55,119 of my perspective has been that it was 2970 02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:57,360 going to involve probably quite a few 2971 02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:58,960 months of discussions and education 2972 02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:01,840 throughout this council on these 2973 02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:04,320 different decisions. And so, you know, I 2974 02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:05,920 I I'm I'm not positive that even pushing 2975 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,239 this decision a month is going to be 2976 02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:09,440 enough time to educate this council to 2977 02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:11,520 the extent that I think you want to be 2978 02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,719 educated in terms of making a decision. 2979 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:14,960 Because for me, like saying I've seen 2980 02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:16,639 this decision is not this isn't we're 2981 02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:18,960 making an RFA. let's do this. This is 2982 02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:21,119 okay. This seems worthwhile to get more 2983 02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:23,920 information on and now let's send it to 2984 02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:26,719 all the jurisdictions to now see what 2985 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:28,639 each individual jurisdiction thinks 2986 02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:30,079 about it and if they support it or not 2987 02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:32,960 because then if they don't again then 2988 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:35,920 that kills it there as well. So that's 2989 02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:37,840 been my perspective of this decision and 2990 02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:39,280 um how I'm treating it in terms of what 2991 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:42,079 my thought process. 2992 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:44,239 » Deputy President Jane. Yeah, I mean I 2993 02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:46,320 think that if you know the decision on 2994 02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:47,840 June 11th is just okay, is this 2995 02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:50,320 something that's worth informing the 2996 02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:53,599 city councils about and I think the 2997 02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:55,119 answer is yes. Um, and then I think I 2998 02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:56,960 mean based on you know the conversations 2999 02:07:55,119 --> 02:07:59,119 that I've had with you council member 3000 02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:01,520 Adair of like what the steps in the 3001 02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:03,440 process are. I think there's a step in 3002 02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:06,239 the process which is like we would have 3003 02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:08,000 to create a 27 member board with like 3004 02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:09,760 three representatives from every 3005 02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:11,599 jurisdiction to actually explore the 3006 02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,599 creation of a regional fire authority. 3007 02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:16,159 And I think that would be a path where 3008 02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:18,000 it's like then you're really committing 3009 02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:19,840 to do it. So I don't think we're at that 3010 02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,880 point yet. And I do think it's worth it 3011 02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:25,040 for us to all become educated about the 3012 02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:26,480 issue. And if the vote on the 11th is 3013 02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:29,199 should we become more educated about 3014 02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:32,400 RFAS, then I would personally, you know, 3015 02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:33,760 be supportive of that. 3016 02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,040 » But just to clarify, deputy president, 3017 02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:37,599 you're saying that's different than 3018 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:39,679 saying this is our preferred route. 3019 02:08:37,599 --> 02:08:41,040 You're saying a vote to educate is a 3020 02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:42,960 slightly different 3021 02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:43,280 » Kind of board decision on the 11th. 3022 02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,440 Yeah. 3023 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:47,599 » Yeah. I I think if the vote is a vote to 3024 02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:50,400 educate, then I'm in favor of that. And 3025 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:52,560 if it's a vote to educate about RFA 3026 02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:54,000 specifically or a vote to educate about 3027 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,679 all the options, I would be in favor of 3028 02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:57,520 a vote to educate us about all the 3029 02:08:55,679 --> 02:09:00,880 different options. 3030 02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:03,040 » Council President Marts. 3031 02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:05,840 » So, I guess I'll just name my concern. 3032 02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:08,880 Um, if we were to get back information 3033 02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:14,079 that said that every single RFA jams the 3034 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:16,880 meter on price, right, then I would not 3035 02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:19,599 be in favor of considering going down 3036 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:22,159 that path because we are a city that can 3037 02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:25,599 afford to fund a fire department if the 3038 02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:28,719 alternative to our city was a 50% 3039 02:09:25,599 --> 02:09:31,040 increase in the cost of fire, even if it 3040 02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:33,119 took it off of our shoulders, right, and 3041 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:34,960 put it on an independent agency. 3042 02:09:33,119 --> 02:09:37,360 So this is my concern and why I would 3043 02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:40,400 like the information in the form of a 3044 02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:43,840 cow before this body makes a decision. I 3045 02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:46,079 have heard through the rivine that RFAS 3046 02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,679 jam the needle on cost. If that's not 3047 02:09:46,079 --> 02:09:49,599 true, 3048 02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:52,159 then it's worth considering. But if it 3049 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:54,639 is true, then I think it would be a bad 3050 02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:56,159 decision for us to go down that path. So 3051 02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:57,360 that's why I want supplemental 3052 02:09:56,159 --> 02:09:58,800 information. I didn't want to go into it 3053 02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:01,199 tonight because I don't want to didn't 3054 02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:04,079 want to argue about for against RFAS, 3055 02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:10,679 but that's the kind of stuff that real 3056 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:10,679 data washes away rumor and and innuendo. 3057 02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:19,920 Okay. Uh, city ministry, I'm not sure. 3058 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:23,280 We've had a good discussion. I I don't I 3059 02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:25,199 think uh leadership will 3060 02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:28,719 be meeting again on Wednesday morning 3061 02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:31,119 and we can kind of 3062 02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:33,520 Mr. Mayor, members of the the council, 3063 02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:35,440 um I think the last point that council 3064 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:38,000 member Jen made is a very interesting 3065 02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:40,079 one and maybe worth a little bit further 3066 02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:41,679 discussion because I think and please 3067 02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:44,800 correct me deputy council president if 3068 02:10:41,679 --> 02:10:48,000 I'm misstating this is that there is no 3069 02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:49,840 preference in what you said that if the 3070 02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:52,480 board if the epher board says let's 3071 02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:55,520 educate on these items versus saying 3072 02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:57,760 here is a preferred model to educate I 3073 02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:59,520 think that's a significant difference 3074 02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:02,159 and if the council's this evening is 3075 02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:04,400 comfortable with that. Um perhaps that's 3076 02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:07,280 sufficient to ask your representatives 3077 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:08,800 to make that distinction. Um I also want 3078 02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:11,199 to go back to the council president's 3079 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:13,440 point about our partners. um some of our 3080 02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:15,440 partners are not in rosy financial 3081 02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:18,400 conditions and I think the circumstances 3082 02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:20,960 that they're facing uh and this question 3083 02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:23,679 are different than this council's and so 3084 02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,520 if our representatives are able to share 3085 02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:28,239 the concern of the council that says 3086 02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:29,920 education is great but preference is not 3087 02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:32,400 something that the isqua city council is 3088 02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:35,280 comfortable with at this point maybe 3089 02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:38,320 that's the right context of a discussion 3090 02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:40,239 on June the 11th see what happens have 3091 02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:42,800 your representatives report back and 3092 02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:44,800 then decide next steps. But I think that 3093 02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:46,560 distinction is a very key distinction 3094 02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:49,280 that the deputy council president made 3095 02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:51,199 and I would ask Mr. Mayor maybe the 3096 02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:53,280 council could take a moment to talk 3097 02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:55,599 further about that. 3098 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:57,360 I mean, I would agree that the deputy 3099 02:11:55,599 --> 02:11:59,040 president Jen suggestion does seem to be 3100 02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:01,440 the best because there is I've heard 3101 02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:03,440 unanimous agreement from all seven. 3102 02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:05,920 Well, I think Council Walsh is very up 3103 02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:09,280 to speed already being the primary rep, 3104 02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:11,119 but I think that the other I think would 3105 02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:12,800 five of the seven would definitely are 3106 02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:14,800 all saying very clearly, we would love 3107 02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:16,960 to learn more and get educated more. So 3108 02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:19,679 I think I think Deputy President Jen 3109 02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:22,400 probably did have the best suggestion so 3110 02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:24,159 far of a possibility of just framing it 3111 02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:27,040 as we're definitely want to be educated 3112 02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:28,000 more. Council member Nichols 3113 02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:30,480 » Or Walsh. 3114 02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:33,599 » Yeah, I I guess what I was going to say 3115 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:37,119 off of that is you know with my epher 3116 02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:40,400 hat on epher vice chair hat on the 3117 02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:43,040 request from the board there was to make 3118 02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:44,880 a recommendation 3119 02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:47,199 um there. So, I think that is going to 3120 02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:50,239 be the motion on the table with my 3121 02:12:47,199 --> 02:12:53,760 Isiqua City Council hat on. I can go to 3122 02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:57,840 that meeting and make a request or an 3123 02:12:53,760 --> 02:13:00,480 alternate motion that asks us merely to 3124 02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:04,079 say, do we think the current model 3125 02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:06,400 doesn't work and the others should be 3126 02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:08,480 educated on, you know, or the 3127 02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:10,960 jurisdiction should be educated on 3128 02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:12,719 options and things like that. So, I'm 3129 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:14,719 comfortable with that. I just don't know 3130 02:13:12,719 --> 02:13:16,400 if that's going to be something that 3131 02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:17,520 passes the board. 3132 02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,440 » And I don't think it's so much the 3133 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,960 current model doesn't work. I just think 3134 02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,560 the current model could be working and 3135 02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:25,599 there's still a benefit getting educated 3136 02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:27,199 on other options. So I think I've heard 3137 02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:28,880 consensus from this council tonight. 3138 02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:31,440 Everyone's in favor of getting more 3139 02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:33,840 education of what the options look like 3140 02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:35,440 in the fire space. So it's not I think 3141 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,719 saying the current I don't think you 3142 02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:39,760 even have to say that. I think it's just 3143 02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:42,079 like the motion from isqua's perspective 3144 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:43,679 would just be we're in favor of getting 3145 02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:45,760 more education of what the options look 3146 02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:47,760 like in the fire space. Uh council 3147 02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:51,119 member Nichols. 3148 02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:55,599 » Yeah, going a bit off of what council 3149 02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:57,760 Mal said, my I I appreciate the the idea 3150 02:13:55,599 --> 02:14:00,400 from Deputy Council President to try to 3151 02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,320 make this into more of anformational ask 3152 02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:05,199 from the board, but we're not in 3153 02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:07,520 control. Um, so we can make that ask, 3154 02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:09,440 but or can still 3155 02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:11,360 uh decide to take a different path than 3156 02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:13,760 we would like since it's a large multi- 3157 02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:16,239 agency board. Um, so it it still could 3158 02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:18,320 be useful for us to try to schedule some 3159 02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:20,239 time assuming it's possible. I don't 3160 02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:23,920 know if it is ahead of that simply to 3161 02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:27,840 arm our uh representatives with the best 3162 02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:29,520 possible set of uh opinion of our best 3163 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:32,480 consensus at that time. Even if it's not 3164 02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:34,239 a full fully informed consensus, um it 3165 02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:36,320 could be better informed than it is at 3166 02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:38,400 the moment. 3167 02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:40,000 » Council member Boyd, 3168 02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:43,760 » I feel like I'm maybe not fully 3169 02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:46,000 appreciating the um 3170 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:48,480 board decision point, which is not any 3171 02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:50,800 kind of point of no return, uh that says 3172 02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:53,840 this is our preferred alternative. I 3173 02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:56,960 guess is a hybrid of the education piece 3174 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:58,960 being here are the three different 3175 02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:01,679 options you know status quo say the 3176 02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:05,280 course etc of the three this is the 3177 02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:07,599 board's preferred option but an equal 3178 02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:09,119 amount of time is spent on all the other 3179 02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:11,760 options and maybe there's some context 3180 02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:15,280 given to the discussion of the board 3181 02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:17,679 discussion. um we as a city can still 3182 02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:20,400 decide, you know, hey, thanks board for 3183 02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:21,760 that feedback and the three of us that 3184 02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:23,520 would have weighed in on that. It's a 3185 02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:26,239 bit weird getting on the timeline there 3186 02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:28,159 for me, but um I I don't know. I guess 3187 02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:31,760 I'm not 3188 02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:34,800 having any particular worry about the we 3189 02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:38,159 we can still decide 3190 02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:40,079 what our thoughts are on the decision we 3191 02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:45,000 have to make. Whatever the board's 3192 02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:45,000 preferred alternative is 3193 02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:50,320 » Uh council 3194 02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:53,119 I didn't see who went first Walsh or 3195 02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:55,360 Council Walsh. Go ahead. Um toward 3196 02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:57,440 Council Member Nichols point, I can 3197 02:15:55,360 --> 02:16:00,960 certainly share around the um 3198 02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:03,119 presentation that uh Chief AO has made 3199 02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:05,360 to the East Side Fire and Rescue Board, 3200 02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:08,239 which does include many of the back of 3201 02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:11,199 the napkin things about, you know, the 3202 02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:13,280 finances of these two options and what 3203 02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:17,199 the governance model is. I would be 3204 02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:19,840 happy to give a quick, you know, 3205 02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:21,760 PowerPoint or email about here's the 3206 02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:23,920 pros and cons of each of the three as 3207 02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:26,480 discussed by the board. and I would be 3208 02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:30,079 happy to make some goof to the order 3209 02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:34,399 comments and further discussion on the 3210 02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:36,000 June 8th meeting um after I've sent that 3211 02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:39,040 information out because I do think 3212 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:41,359 council member Nichols point of I can 3213 02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:43,040 advocate for one way based on this 3214 02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:47,439 conversation 3215 02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:49,760 um but it isn't at all definitive that I 3216 02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:52,559 can change 3217 02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:54,399 what the motion is and what comes out of 3218 02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:56,639 that board recommendation. 3219 02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:59,280 » Council President Marts. 3220 02:16:56,639 --> 02:17:01,920 » So I have perhaps a question for Chief 3221 02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:06,080 AO and it comes back to this whole game 3222 02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:10,000 theory thing, right? So let's just say 3223 02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:13,439 we get to the 11th and everybody else 3224 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:15,280 says go and Isiqua says we don't know 3225 02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:17,599 like we have lots of we have lots of 3226 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:21,120 questions still. How does that change 3227 02:17:17,599 --> 02:17:24,319 the landscape? because the possibility 3228 02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:27,120 of Isiqua going it alone or forming its 3229 02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:28,880 own fire authority with whoever um you 3230 02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:30,880 know we have the headquarters we have a 3231 02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:32,559 bunch of fire stations we're at the 3232 02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:35,120 heart of the district does it 3233 02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:37,040 fundamentally change and and and our 3234 02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:38,800 partners some of our partners may be 3235 02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:40,399 watching this very council member this 3236 02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:42,319 very meeting this evening wondering how 3237 02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:44,240 isqua is going and hearing that Isiqua 3238 02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:45,840 has a bunch of questions does it does it 3239 02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:47,840 change the conversation that occurs at 3240 02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:54,080 epher 3241 02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:56,800 » Yeah anybody that uh looks at um uh 3242 02:17:54,080 --> 02:18:01,519 pausing a decision to slow up a 3243 02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:03,519 directionfree side. It can have a um a 3244 02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:05,200 slowing effect of what does 3245 02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:06,800 sustainability look like for the 3246 02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:10,319 organization. 3247 02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:14,359 That doesn't preclude uh anybody from 3248 02:18:10,319 --> 02:18:14,359 going a 3249 02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:19,599 uh not a pathway on their own. That's 3250 02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:22,479 probably the poor not not a good way to 3251 02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:25,200 craft that. It does e epher will still 3252 02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:27,840 remain in existence 3253 02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:32,639 even though 38 in you know using 38 3254 02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:35,200 northb going out for an RFA. Uh each 3255 02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:38,000 individual partner has a decision to 3256 02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:41,519 make as far as the timing should 3257 02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:44,559 something uh be worthy of changing. 3258 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:46,399 So east side as it's currently crafted 3259 02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:48,479 can still remain. Now, we do still have 3260 02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:50,559 that 2031 deadline that we would have to 3261 02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:53,439 address for the ILA 3262 02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:56,479 um piece on there. So, and what we've 3263 02:18:53,439 --> 02:19:01,200 talked about with Epher leadership is 3264 02:18:56,479 --> 02:19:03,200 like, okay, we get to June. Now, our now 3265 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:05,439 our work begins. We've done the easy 3266 02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:07,200 part. We've educated the Epher board. 3267 02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:09,519 Now, we need to go out and educate each 3268 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:13,200 of our partners and we need to invest 3269 02:19:09,519 --> 02:19:15,359 that time into the the partners. So uh 3270 02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:17,599 and relying on each of the 3271 02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:20,479 representatives that are put forward to 3272 02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:22,960 help to provide education to each of the 3273 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:25,599 individual councils and commissions 3274 02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:27,439 moving forward. So we've talked about is 3275 02:19:25,599 --> 02:19:30,719 there a point of no return. The point of 3276 02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:33,200 no return is when you put it to ballot 3277 02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:35,359 whatever the decision is or or don't put 3278 02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:36,880 it to ballot. That's your point of no 3279 02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:40,399 return. 3280 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:43,760 Even if we get into the planning phase 3281 02:19:40,399 --> 02:19:45,120 of hypothetically say we all decide that 3282 02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:46,399 we're going to go down an RFA, we get in 3283 02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:50,080 the planning phase. 3284 02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:51,280 » Um, you can opt out at any point during 3285 02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,240 during that time. 3286 02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:54,080 » And my question is a little bit 3287 02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:57,439 different. It's what if everybody else 3288 02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:58,640 is on board? Yes. RFA, go for it 3289 02:19:57,439 --> 02:20:01,120 » Except Isiqua. 3290 02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:03,200 » And Isiqua says, "We don't know. Um, we 3291 02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:04,960 need more information. We're not sure. 3292 02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:06,319 You can't have our vote tonight. Yeah, 3293 02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:08,240 » I know you want our vote, but you can't 3294 02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:11,600 have it because we're all concerned and 3295 02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:14,720 confused, right? What does that do to 3296 02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:16,880 the go forward plan if one of the cities 3297 02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:19,760 that is one of the biggest contributors 3298 02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:22,160 both in terms of material and dollars to 3299 02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:27,000 the current organization is only a a 3300 02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:27,000 maybe or a question mark on on the RFA? 3301 02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:36,160 » Question. 3302 02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:37,200 I think it was directed at Chief Oh. I 3303 02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:40,319 mean, 3304 02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:43,760 » Yeah. Uh it doesn't it it doesn't 3305 02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:46,880 preclude progress being moving forward 3306 02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:49,920 for the overall decisions. So, um it is 3307 02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:52,640 a if if the majority of the folks say we 3308 02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:55,280 need to continue to towards a pathway, 3309 02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:59,600 then we can continue towards a pathway. 3310 02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:02,399 Um, if I is quad needs more information, 3311 02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:05,840 then I just need to understand what 3312 02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:07,840 information you need to help bring uh 3313 02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:09,920 inform you so you can be comfortable 3314 02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:13,280 with the journey or make a decision to 3315 02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:15,600 not. Um, that is still council's 3316 02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:17,680 decision. So, it doesn't it doesn't 3317 02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:21,359 stop. 3318 02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:24,319 » Thank you, Council Ross. 3319 02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:27,280 From a practical standpoint, 3320 02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:28,720 if I can't convince the East Side Fire 3321 02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:32,560 and Rescue board to go with an 3322 02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:37,520 alternative motion, us abstaining or 3323 02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:41,680 voting no, I believe is two out of seven 3324 02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:44,160 votes. Um, is that correct? Two out of 3325 02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:48,319 eight. So 3326 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:51,359 if everybody else votes to move forward 3327 02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:54,880 with having a recommendation, I believe 3328 02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:58,479 the next step would be all of the cities 3329 02:21:54,880 --> 02:22:00,720 and districts get educated. So it would 3330 02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:02,399 be no 3331 02:22:00,720 --> 02:22:04,399 different 3332 02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:05,840 just from a practical standpoint if I 3333 02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:08,000 understand the way the voting would 3334 02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:10,479 work. 3335 02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:13,520 My concern isn't whether we can prevail 3336 02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:16,720 on the on the on the 11th. My concern is 3337 02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:19,439 that if the economics change, I mean, if 3338 02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:21,359 if I were one of our fellow cities, I'm 3339 02:22:19,439 --> 02:22:24,000 not going to presume to say which one, 3340 02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:25,920 but um you know, the I suspect the 3341 02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:28,399 economics look different if everybody 3342 02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:31,040 goes in on it versus if there's a 3343 02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:32,640 suspicion that down the road Isiqua 3344 02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:36,000 might want to do something else because 3345 02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:37,600 it can afford to. Uh 3346 02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:39,760 that's this is this comes back to this 3347 02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:43,040 game theory thing, right? And would the 3348 02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:47,040 RFA look different to those other 3349 02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:49,359 entities um knowing that isqua is only a 3350 02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:51,600 maybe and that maybe we do in the end, 3351 02:22:49,359 --> 02:22:54,240 maybe we don't in the end um as opposed 3352 02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:56,560 to being go go. 3353 02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:57,520 I actually can answer that one. So now I 3354 02:22:56,560 --> 02:23:01,760 understand the question a little bit 3355 02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:05,200 better. Yes. If Isiziqua says no then or 3356 02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:08,399 not now uh it does change the economic 3357 02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:11,520 uh landscape for everybody else 3358 02:23:08,399 --> 02:23:14,080 because it's assessed valuation it's 3359 02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:16,880 resource needs and service level 3360 02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:19,760 associated with that. If we're trying to 3361 02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:22,640 do something collectively together, 3362 02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:26,080 there still is ways to craft it so we 3363 02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:29,680 can do it collectively together 3364 02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:32,720 and underneath the the existing epher 3365 02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:35,200 model, but the funding side of it is 3366 02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:36,560 going to look different. 3367 02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:38,399 » Thank you. I mean, there's a lot of 3368 02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:40,080 weird permutations out there, right? We 3369 02:23:38,399 --> 02:23:42,319 could become a contract city 3370 02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:45,280 » To a new RFA, right? I mean there's a 3371 02:23:42,319 --> 02:23:46,800 there's just it has the permutations get 3372 02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:50,040 weird very quickly. Thank you. 3373 02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:50,040 » Yes, sir. 3374 02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:55,040 » City administrator. 3375 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:57,200 » Fascinating discussion and thank you all 3376 02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:59,040 for for taking the time. I think there 3377 02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,880 is one thing that Isakiqua can bring to 3378 02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:02,720 the table that will make our partners 3379 02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:04,240 pay attention and that's the issue of 3380 02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:07,120 scrutiny 3381 02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:08,880 that if Isiqua says yes we want to go 3382 02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:10,560 down this path we would prefer there not 3383 02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:12,720 be a preferred path but understand 3384 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:14,640 partners that we are going to scrutinize 3385 02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:16,640 this in our community we have an 3386 02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:19,040 expectation of transparency we have an 3387 02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:21,439 expectation of sharing full information 3388 02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:23,200 and so you all can do whatever you think 3389 02:24:21,439 --> 02:24:24,640 makes sense in your community but 3390 02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:26,880 understand that we're going to set a 3391 02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:28,560 very high bar here in Isiqua. We're 3392 02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:30,160 going to have community dialogue. We're 3393 02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:32,479 going to ask the kind of questions that 3394 02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:34,720 all of you have raised this evening. And 3395 02:24:32,479 --> 02:24:36,560 that may be a level that our partners 3396 02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:39,439 either haven't thought about or perhaps 3397 02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:41,280 aren't prepared to go down. And so I 3398 02:24:39,439 --> 02:24:42,960 think the one thing that you can do and 3399 02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:45,760 ask your representatives to the Epher 3400 02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:48,000 board to do is to signal the scrutiny 3401 02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:49,840 that you plan to bring to this. And so 3402 02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:52,560 that whatever vote there is ultimately 3403 02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:54,399 for Miqua, understand that there will be 3404 02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:56,399 lots of community dialogue. there'll be 3405 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:58,479 lots of information shared and the 3406 02:24:56,399 --> 02:25:00,640 expectation is that our partner agencies 3407 02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:02,720 will be doing the same thing and I think 3408 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:06,240 that may be a very interesting message 3409 02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:08,080 to send and I think may game theory 3410 02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:11,120 council president very much on my mind 3411 02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:13,439 too um that may make some of them have 3412 02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:15,439 to pump the brakes to ever so slightly 3413 02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:17,280 understanding that the level of scrutiny 3414 02:25:15,439 --> 02:25:20,000 the level of transparency that the 3415 02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:22,960 Isiqua City Council intends to use may 3416 02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:22,960 be different than our partners 3417 02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:35,120 Okay, thank you very much chief. Uh I 3418 02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:38,319 think with that we are going to 3419 02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:41,040 move on. [laughter] 3420 02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:44,160 So I I don't know uh I mean I think it's 3421 02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:46,000 been a great dialogue and to be clear 3422 02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:48,960 this is the first council dialogue on 3423 02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:51,359 this topic as a whole. This tonight that 3424 02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:53,680 just happened. Council President Mart, 3425 02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:55,359 » Can I just ask if our Epher reps feel 3426 02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:58,760 that they are prepared for the meeting 3427 02:25:55,359 --> 02:25:58,760 on the 11th? 3428 02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:09,600 » Um, I would say no. Um, 3429 02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:12,560 I think what I have heard is an ask 3430 02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:15,520 for 3431 02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:17,439 making an alternate proposal that does 3432 02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:20,399 not include a recommendation. And so 3433 02:26:17,439 --> 02:26:24,560 that I have heard and heard enough 3434 02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:28,319 members say yes. Um 3435 02:26:24,560 --> 02:26:31,040 I don't know if council agrees with what 3436 02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:35,120 city administrator said and I don't know 3437 02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:42,200 if that alternate proposal does not get 3438 02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:42,200 accepted how you want me to vote. So no 3439 02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:50,319 » I mean I I thought 3440 02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:52,319 I did I mean I appreciated what uh city 3441 02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:55,120 administrator said and that you know I 3442 02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:58,720 feel like I said I've I've treated this 3443 02:26:55,120 --> 02:27:00,240 decision as a point of while the even if 3444 02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:02,000 this even if the board were to make a 3445 02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:04,000 recommendation that this is merely like 3446 02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:06,800 of the options we think this is viable 3447 02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:09,840 so let's pursue it. So even that in and 3448 02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:12,479 of itself has not been a 3449 02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:15,200 strong recommendation in my own mind. 3450 02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:17,200 And so for me being there and being very 3451 02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:19,600 open to the rest of the board about the 3452 02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:22,479 scrutiny we want to apply to it makes 3453 02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:25,600 sense to me and is already where 3454 02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:27,120 my plans were. You know I am on the 3455 02:27:25,600 --> 02:27:28,560 financial committee for the budget just 3456 02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:30,880 this cycle because I want to get dig 3457 02:27:28,560 --> 02:27:33,120 into the details of East Side Fire and 3458 02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:34,880 know everything. You know were we to 3459 02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:37,200 start a planning committee. I do want 3460 02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:39,280 that level of scrutiny. So I am 3461 02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:41,600 comfortable with that kind of a 3462 02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:43,680 statement for our partners to know that 3463 02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:48,960 we are going at this with a ton of 3464 02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:50,640 detail and a ton of not uh suspicion but 3465 02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:52,640 like apprehension like saying I am 3466 02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:54,960 person I personally have apprehension 3467 02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:57,359 about this decision and thus I think 3468 02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:59,280 it's worth pursuing more information on 3469 02:27:57,359 --> 02:28:01,520 it but it's something that I want to do 3470 02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:04,319 a lot of scrutiny on before making any 3471 02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:07,120 kind of final recommendation to voters 3472 02:28:04,319 --> 02:28:08,479 of what should happen. So for me, I am 3473 02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:10,640 comfortable with that kind of a 3474 02:28:08,479 --> 02:28:12,479 statement to be given at the board. Um 3475 02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:14,479 but in terms of how the vote functions, 3476 02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:16,720 that is a fair question in terms of what 3477 02:28:14,479 --> 02:28:18,240 the vote would look like. But my also my 3478 02:28:16,720 --> 02:28:19,359 perspective is that vote again does not 3479 02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:21,200 tie anything. And even if the rest of 3480 02:28:19,359 --> 02:28:23,760 the board says let's go forward, they're 3481 02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:26,640 still approving us to bring you know 3482 02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:29,760 education materials here. And even if 3483 02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:31,920 maybe one of those is emphasized, 3484 02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:34,399 I'm will gladly teach everybody about 3485 02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:36,960 all the other options too. So, you know, 3486 02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:38,560 that's comfortable for me. 3487 02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:41,439 » Okay. And Council President, just before 3488 02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:43,439 we go to Cresident Marts, I think to 3489 02:28:41,439 --> 02:28:46,560 summarize, I think what Council Walsh 3490 02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:49,120 did say is I think there is support on 3491 02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:51,520 the council to do Deputy President Jen's 3492 02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:53,600 suggestion to say, can we please make 3493 02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:56,479 this a motion that we want to educate 3494 02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:59,200 our members in their full voting bodies 3495 02:28:56,479 --> 02:29:01,520 of the options in front of us? And then 3496 02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:04,319 I think it's now there's a shade of gray 3497 02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:06,800 of if that motion doesn't pass, what 3498 02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:10,319 happens next? Council President Marks. 3499 02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:12,560 » So, um, this is all like a a game of, 3500 02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:15,600 uh, diplomacy if anybody's ever played 3501 02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:17,920 diplomacy before. Um, I have confidence, 3502 02:29:15,600 --> 02:29:22,720 Council Member Walsh, in your leadership 3503 02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:24,720 that you can go to that body and say, 3504 02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:26,720 and it isn't it isn't whether they will 3505 02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:29,200 agree with you and and vote in support, 3506 02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:30,800 but I think if you go and you say, I 3507 02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:33,359 know so many of you are enthusiastic 3508 02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:36,240 about this option, Isiqua is going to be 3509 02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:37,600 a hard may be a hard cell. You know, I 3510 02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:40,399 encourage all of you to go watch 3511 02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:42,399 Isiqua's council meeting and hear what 3512 02:29:40,399 --> 02:29:43,760 count isqua's concerns are. For 3513 02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:47,840 instance, this evening, I'm going to 3514 02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:49,280 propose X as as as a response from what 3515 02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:51,520 I've heard from this council, but you 3516 02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:53,760 should all the rest of you on the on the 3517 02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:56,880 Epher board should understand isqua's 3518 02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:58,720 concerns. I think you will convey that 3519 02:29:56,880 --> 02:30:01,040 appropriately. And whether that motion 3520 02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:03,280 passes or fails, the very fact that you 3521 02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:06,399 come back and say that as opposed to go 3522 02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:08,240 go go will all those board members have 3523 02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:09,840 have I have great respect for. They've 3524 02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:12,160 been doing this for a while and they c 3525 02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:15,040 and they understand the questions to ask 3526 02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:17,200 when one of the core cities says they're 3527 02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:22,600 have concerns and have questions and are 3528 02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:22,600 not go. Does that is that helpful? 3529 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:32,880 as it yes if you're still fine with if 3530 02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:34,399 like conveying that message. Yes. But if 3531 02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:36,640 that 3532 02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:40,160 amendment or alternate motion doesn't 3533 02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:41,840 happen still being able to move forward 3534 02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:47,000 like do you want me to abstain at that 3535 02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:47,000 point if that motion doesn't happen? 3536 02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:57,120 I I think I like council member Adair 3537 02:30:53,359 --> 02:31:00,319 view this more like a committee vote 3538 02:30:57,120 --> 02:31:03,920 that scrutinizes something and passes up 3539 02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:07,200 a recommendation but the council can 3540 02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:09,920 absolutely tear things apart and educate 3541 02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:14,479 and you know all of that. So I feel 3542 02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:17,040 comfortable with moving forward with a 3543 02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:20,479 recommendation vote. 3544 02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:23,680 I just want to make sure I am not 3545 02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:27,359 making a movement that the council does 3546 02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:30,319 not agree on. And y'all are trying to do 3547 02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:32,560 this with a lack of information and you 3548 02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:34,560 know rumor information and all of that 3549 02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:37,120 and not knowing what a fire benefit 3550 02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:39,600 charge and all of those things. So 3551 02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:43,840 obviously much like a committee I've 3552 02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:48,439 gone through a lot of those rigors 3553 02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:48,439 but don't make the final decisions. 3554 02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:51,600 » I mean to answer your question I don't 3555 02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:54,240 think you have a sense of the body 3556 02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:55,600 that's that's ready to vote yes on that 3557 02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:57,600 moving forward with any of those 3558 02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:02,080 options. Right. This body has not looked 3559 02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:04,560 at those various options um as as a as a 3560 02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:06,800 group. So, I would expect I would hope 3561 02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:09,120 that you would vote no. And if it still 3562 02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:10,960 moves forward, you you you did your best 3563 02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:13,359 to convey what this body said tonight, 3564 02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:14,800 which is that we're confused and unsure 3565 02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:16,560 which of those options are best and 3566 02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:18,880 haven't been convinced that an RFA is 3567 02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,000 best. 3568 02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:22,560 » Councilor Boyd, 3569 02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:26,960 » Can uh part of the education aspect also 3570 02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:29,600 be what the vote was? Um I don't know if 3571 02:32:26,960 --> 02:32:32,399 that's helpful in this case of we where 3572 02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:34,800 if it would did come to um an 3573 02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:36,960 alternative proposal 3574 02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:39,600 wasn't approved and the majority of the 3575 02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:41,920 board moved with uh and so if that's 3576 02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:45,280 maybe not what isqua this particular 3577 02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:49,120 body wanted to move forward with but at 3578 02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:53,600 least uh the education including this is 3579 02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:56,880 what each member of the board 3580 02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:59,120 had what their concerns were out or I 3581 02:32:56,880 --> 02:33:03,439 don't know if that's helping us suade 3582 02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:06,160 any of the concerns with this too. 3583 02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:08,960 » Council Rair, 3584 02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:11,359 » Uh to Council President Mart's uh point, 3585 02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:14,240 my and maybe I'm wrong in terms of this, 3586 02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:17,600 but my view is that a no vote at that 3587 02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:19,920 meeting is a vote saying we want to stay 3588 02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:22,319 the course and we don't want to p look 3589 02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:24,640 into any other option. that that's what 3590 02:33:22,319 --> 02:33:26,319 a no vote represents at that meeting is 3591 02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:28,319 that we've looked at the options of 3592 02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:30,960 funding and we're saying don't pursue 3593 02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:32,800 them other than just stay the course is 3594 02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:36,000 what that no vote represents like saying 3595 02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:38,880 the the vote of yes is saying okay let's 3596 02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:41,760 continue looking into an RFA or a fire 3597 02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:43,760 district and now go educate the the 3598 02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:45,760 jurisdictions about it. So, a vote of no 3599 02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:48,720 at that meeting would be us saying we 3600 02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:51,280 don't want you to pursue any other 3601 02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:52,960 uh potential funding source and that's 3602 02:33:51,280 --> 02:33:54,800 what a no vote would represent at that 3603 02:33:52,960 --> 02:33:56,240 meeting. It'd be my perspective of that 3604 02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:58,720 which is why I think that that doesn't 3605 02:33:56,240 --> 02:34:01,840 quite convey what your intended message 3606 02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:04,560 is. Um because that's the vote again is 3607 02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:06,080 saying if we saying if we all vote if 3608 02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:07,600 the all districts say no at that meeting 3609 02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:10,399 basically no other funding source is 3610 02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:12,720 going to be pursued or investigated. 3611 02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:13,920 So that's what no represents to me. in 3612 02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:16,399 that vote. 3613 02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:17,760 » But I think uh first off, I think 3614 02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:19,920 council president Marts made it clear. 3615 02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:21,680 He thought council member Walsh and 3616 02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:24,640 yourself would have success in 3617 02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:26,880 explaining to people that the amendment 3618 02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:29,760 proposed by deputy president Jen which 3619 02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:31,840 is we're completely supportive of 3620 02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:33,760 getting educated. It seems like everyone 3621 02:34:31,840 --> 02:34:38,399 in this dis is saying they want to be 3622 02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:40,240 educated for more options and uh so and 3623 02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:42,319 this council did not pick the June 11th 3624 02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:43,840 decision date that was picked by Epher 3625 02:34:42,319 --> 02:34:46,000 and that date was picked before this 3626 02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:47,439 council was updated on with all the 3627 02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,600 information they're asking for tonight 3628 02:34:47,439 --> 02:34:51,760 and as deputy president Jen said what's 3629 02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:53,760 a fire benefit charge so it seems like 3630 02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:55,600 you can't make a decision on June 11th 3631 02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:56,880 without so but deputy president Jen go 3632 02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:58,080 ahead 3633 02:34:56,880 --> 02:35:00,000 » Yeah I was going to say I mean 3634 02:34:58,080 --> 02:35:02,479 potentially you know the proposal could 3635 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,720 be to split split the 3636 02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:06,080 uh split it into two votes. One on, you 3637 02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:07,840 know, do we want to get educated and 3638 02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:09,280 then a second vote on whether there's a 3639 02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:10,800 recommendation and then, you know, you 3640 02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:12,479 could vote on those items separately 3641 02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:15,479 because they are completely different 3642 02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:15,479 questions. 3643 02:35:16,560 --> 02:35:23,520 » Uh Walsh or Nichols? Walsh or 3644 02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:24,720 Nichols. Then we'll go to Walsh. Um, I 3645 02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:27,280 think it's going to be really important 3646 02:35:24,720 --> 02:35:30,000 and I I trust you folks fully to do this 3647 02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:35,359 to communicate with that vote perhaps 3648 02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:38,240 more than what is strictly within the um 3649 02:35:35,359 --> 02:35:41,040 the scope of that vote itself. Um so 3650 02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:43,920 even if formally voting no means that we 3651 02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:48,560 are we would be saying say the course um 3652 02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:49,760 implicit in either a no or abstension is 3653 02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:54,120 can be many other things and we have 3654 02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:54,120 limited tools to communicate that 3655 02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:57,920 type of information that could put us in 3656 02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:59,760 a better position 3657 02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,200 further down the line if we do want to 3658 02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:03,840 take harder positions or if we do want 3659 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:05,920 to push back in other ways that that 3660 02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:07,840 could be a potentially good reason to 3661 02:36:05,920 --> 02:36:10,880 take that position. at that type of a 3662 02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:12,479 meeting. Um, even if having read the 3663 02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:14,080 room, you know that you're not going to 3664 02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:16,000 win that vote and it's it's not going to 3665 02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:18,640 go a certain way. And this is simply 3666 02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:19,840 getting back to Council President Mart's 3667 02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:22,080 comments about the game theory of the 3668 02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:24,240 situation. I appreciate this is going to 3669 02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:25,920 be a potentially difficult negotiation, 3670 02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,680 but we do have we are in a situation 3671 02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:30,479 where we should be able to drive a lot 3672 02:36:27,680 --> 02:36:34,319 of that conversation and communicating 3673 02:36:30,479 --> 02:36:36,720 that is going to be 3674 02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:39,439 beyond the formalities of any individual 3675 02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:41,920 vote and what that would mean. 3676 02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:43,920 » Council Walsh. 3677 02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:48,399 » Okay. I'm hearing a second option which 3678 02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:51,920 is split the vote. Again, happy to put 3679 02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:57,479 that forward as an option. Happy to 3680 02:36:51,920 --> 02:36:57,479 represent this city as much as possible. 3681 02:37:00,399 --> 02:37:06,960 How do I separate like 3682 02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:09,200 as a subcommittee member, you know, if I 3683 02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:13,920 was part of SSP or something and 3684 02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:15,520 reviewing this, I can vote yes on this 3685 02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:19,600 is the recommendation, it should come to 3686 02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:23,960 full counsel and then choose to vote no 3687 02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:23,960 there. Um, 3688 02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:31,200 I guess I am concerned about the idea of 3689 02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:33,840 voting no as a recommendation. 3690 02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:36,160 Um, if that ends up being the motion, 3691 02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:39,040 just based on 3692 02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:43,120 how rocky the east side fire 3693 02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:46,399 relationship can be. you know, 10 years 3694 02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:48,240 ago, we had a certain city to the north 3695 02:37:46,399 --> 02:37:50,960 of us suggest that they wanted to take 3696 02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:53,359 their toy fire trucks and go home. Um, 3697 02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:57,040 and that would have increased our costs 3698 02:37:53,359 --> 02:38:01,680 dramatically. So, I guess I'm also 3699 02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:04,319 looking at the implications of voting no 3700 02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:09,200 suggesting that 3701 02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:10,399 we want to do things on our own. I 3702 02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:11,760 » I mean I think people are making it 3703 02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:14,080 clear they're not saying that. I think 3704 02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:15,439 people are saying that 3705 02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:17,840 we're going to I think it'll be crystal 3706 02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:19,280 clear the squad preferences. 3707 02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:21,840 We're not in a position to take a 3708 02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:23,359 position. So please educate us. I mean 3709 02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:25,359 deputy president is Jane going back to 3710 02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:27,280 the original motion. I think that I 3711 02:38:25,359 --> 02:38:31,280 think seems like it's the best path 3712 02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:33,040 forward. And uh and and 3713 02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:34,880 yeah, and I think the middle ground 3714 02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:36,640 between voting no and voting yes is 3715 02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:38,319 obviously just abstaining, saying, "Hey, 3716 02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:41,600 we we told you what we could support 3717 02:38:38,319 --> 02:38:43,200 tonight. We could support a motion to 3718 02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,720 get us better educated on what our 3719 02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:47,040 options are." It seems like there is 3720 02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:50,319 unanimous or close to unanimous support 3721 02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:52,800 on this council for that option. And uh 3722 02:38:50,319 --> 02:38:55,760 so and I still think there's a high 3723 02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:57,760 probability that option will pass. I 3724 02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:59,200 just I honestly do I think the Epher 3725 02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:00,399 board is a very reasonable group and I 3726 02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:02,880 think they want to move forward when 3727 02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:05,200 they have as much consensus as possible 3728 02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:07,359 and I think 3729 02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:08,880 I go back to what council president Mart 3730 02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:10,880 said. He was confident I think we can 3731 02:39:08,880 --> 02:39:12,399 get this motion to be approved by the 3732 02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:14,560 board and I agree with him. Council 3733 02:39:12,399 --> 02:39:17,439 member Walsh. 3734 02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:19,840 » Okay. And I I hear you on that. I can 3735 02:39:17,439 --> 02:39:24,399 move forward. I also agree that it that 3736 02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:27,520 is most likely, but at this point I 3737 02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:30,560 don't know and I've heard a lot from the 3738 02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:33,120 mayor and the council president, but not 3739 02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:35,680 necessarily as much from everyone 3740 02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:38,880 whether there is authority or 3741 02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:45,760 recommendation for a yes, no, or abstain 3742 02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:48,800 vote here. And so without more clarity, 3743 02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:52,720 I don't know how to do that next 3744 02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:55,200 Thursday. So one proposal is I come back 3745 02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:57,600 to the committee of the whole on the 8th 3746 02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:59,920 and 3747 02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:06,120 you know 3748 02:39:59,920 --> 02:40:06,120 get feedback then or get feedback here. 3749 02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:13,439 I'm looking at council leadership to see 3750 02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:15,280 if they have a preference. Uh, 3751 02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:15,920 » Sorry, say again. [snorts] 3752 02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:18,800 » Oh, 3753 02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:21,520 » I'm just saying I I need 3754 02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:26,160 feedback that if I cannot get that 3755 02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:26,880 through whether there should be 3756 02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:29,359 » She's asking for [clears throat] a 3757 02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:29,600 recommendation of no, abstain, or yes. 3758 02:40:29,359 --> 02:40:32,319 Yeah, 3759 02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:34,640 » I think Council Walsh is saying if so 3760 02:40:32,319 --> 02:40:37,120 there's consensus that the goal is for 3761 02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:39,040 Deputy President Jen's amendment to 3762 02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:42,800 hopefully pass and then the question is 3763 02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:45,600 if it doesn't pass I think Council Walsh 3764 02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:48,800 is fairly asking for guidance of no, 3765 02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:50,319 abstain or yes and see if there is a if 3766 02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:52,640 there's four votes for one of those 3767 02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:54,080 options. So Council President Marts, 3768 02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:57,120 » I think it depends on what the motion 3769 02:40:54,080 --> 02:41:00,160 is. I think if um there's been a 3770 02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:01,840 discussion that I am confused and I was 3771 02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:02,960 trying to look up the agenda for the 3772 02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:04,640 meeting and I couldn't tell from the 3773 02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:07,760 agenda for the meeting what the actual 3774 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:10,479 proposed motion is. Right. If it is this 3775 02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:11,920 board would like to pursue a regional 3776 02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:14,960 fire authority, then I think you should 3777 02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:16,640 vote no. If the if the motion is this 3778 02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:18,319 board would like to pursue options 3779 02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:20,399 including a fire authority and a 3780 02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:23,840 regional fire and a fire district and 3781 02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:25,680 whatever else. If it's in the spirit 3782 02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:27,280 of what I think you have heard from the 3783 02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:29,359 majority of the council tonight, not 3784 02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:31,680 just the mayor and myself, which is a 3785 02:41:29,359 --> 02:41:34,800 which is not being ready to go down a 3786 02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:37,200 path for an RFA. Um, but if it's in the 3787 02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:40,000 spirit of exploration, then that 3788 02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:41,359 follow-on vote you I I personally would 3789 02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:43,680 be comfortable with you voting yes. But 3790 02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:45,520 if it's we believe that a regional fire 3791 02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:47,439 authority is the way for the east side 3792 02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:48,960 of King County to go, then I think you 3793 02:41:47,439 --> 02:41:50,720 then I think you should vote no because 3794 02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:52,160 I don't think this body has said that. 3795 02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:54,000 But I think you know that and I think 3796 02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:55,600 you'll figure it out. I understand your 3797 02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:57,680 concern tonight. I understand you don't 3798 02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:59,680 want to leave here without more explicit 3799 02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:02,479 guidance and I appreciate that. But I 3800 02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:05,040 think you will in the moment accurately 3801 02:42:02,479 --> 02:42:07,439 reflect what this body has said tonight. 3802 02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:09,280 » Thank you. 3803 02:42:07,439 --> 02:42:12,080 Is there any other comments from Is that 3804 02:42:09,280 --> 02:42:14,880 a good way to end it? Is folks okay 3805 02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:17,840 ending it there? 3806 02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:20,080 Okay. And uh [clears throat] 3807 02:42:17,840 --> 02:42:23,760 I I know right now Harvey's wishing he 3808 02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:26,160 retired just I mean [laughter] 3809 02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:28,560 just one meeting earlier. He's like man 3810 02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:30,442 I picked the wrong meeting to retire 3811 02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:33,062 from the city of Isiqua. Sorry 3812 02:42:30,442 --> 02:42:33,280 [clears throat] G. [laughter] 3813 02:42:33,062 --> 02:42:36,800 » [snorts] 3814 02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:41,040 » Okay, we are going to Agenda Bill 9205. 3815 02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:43,359 Oh, wait. Agenda Bill 20. Wait. Oh. 3816 02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:44,880 Yeah. Agenda Bill 9205. Mid-budget 3817 02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:46,479 request to add capital project manager 3818 02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:49,720 facilities full-time employees. Autumn, 3819 02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:49,720 you're up. 3820 02:42:53,439 --> 02:42:56,720 » Thank you, mayor, and members of the 3821 02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:58,960 city council. My name is Autumn Monahan. 3822 02:42:56,720 --> 02:43:00,960 I'm the administrative services director 3823 02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:03,680 and I promise to be short this evening 3824 02:43:00,960 --> 02:43:05,680 in my presentation um which is an 3825 02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:09,200 overview of a proposed position for a 3826 02:43:05,680 --> 02:43:10,720 capital project manager for facilities. 3827 02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:12,319 The administration's recommendation is 3828 02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:14,720 to authorize the addition of a capital 3829 02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:17,920 project manager full-time position to 3830 02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:20,240 the administrative services department. 3831 02:43:17,920 --> 02:43:22,000 As a little bit of background, um I was 3832 02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:23,439 before you on April 20th where the 3833 02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:26,080 council approved an agreement to 3834 02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:29,200 purchase a building for city hall 3835 02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:31,680 located at 1055 Northwest Maple Street, 3836 02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:34,479 freeing up uh 130 East Sunset Way 3837 02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:37,439 exclusively for police use um once we 3838 02:43:34,479 --> 02:43:40,000 remodel it. The closing is underway for 3839 02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:42,000 that purchase. Um I'm excited to say so 3840 02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:44,319 we're continuing on that process. 3841 02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:46,479 Meanwhile, we have continued design now 3842 02:43:44,319 --> 02:43:49,200 for the police remodel to better refine 3843 02:43:46,479 --> 02:43:50,960 those costs with our design design firm 3844 02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:53,680 DLR group, which helped us before with 3845 02:43:50,960 --> 02:43:56,560 the task force work. We also have put 3846 02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:59,040 out an RFP for um architect help for the 3847 02:43:56,560 --> 02:44:01,040 city hall space planning, uh tenant 3848 02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:03,840 improvements, furniture, and all the 3849 02:44:01,040 --> 02:44:05,600 things needed to move to city hall. uh 3850 02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:08,000 knowing the bulk of work that is ahead 3851 02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:09,920 on both of those massive projects, we're 3852 02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:12,640 here before you tonight proposing for an 3853 02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:16,160 FTE for a proposed capital projects 3854 02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:17,760 manager to support that work. 3855 02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:20,640 As always, we'll be returning to the 3856 02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:22,720 city council as we refine these projects 3857 02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:24,640 um with further details and budget both 3858 02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:26,640 for the city hall move and for the 3859 02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:30,319 police renovation. But as a first step, 3860 02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:32,160 we're looking for resources. 3861 02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:33,920 The duties of this position include 3862 02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:35,520 ensuring successful delivery of these 3863 02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:37,600 projects from planning all the way 3864 02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:39,359 through to construction, coordinating 3865 02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:41,120 with a whole lot of parties including 3866 02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:42,720 internal departments, consultants, 3867 02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:44,880 contractors, 3868 02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:46,880 uh permitting agencies and of course the 3869 02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:48,880 community. Um there is a whole lot of 3870 02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:51,279 just budgeting, scheduling, all the 3871 02:44:48,880 --> 02:44:53,760 things that come with uh uh project 3872 02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:56,000 management as well as contact negotiate 3873 02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:59,760 contract negotiations and really being 3874 02:44:56,000 --> 02:45:01,600 the oversight for consultants. 3875 02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:03,840 the priority projects for this position. 3876 02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:05,920 Um we we have plenty for the first 3877 02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:07,200 several years. Um first with the city 3878 02:45:05,920 --> 02:45:09,279 hall move and then with the police 3879 02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:12,399 station remodel which will take um 3880 02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:14,240 several years to complete. 3881 02:45:12,399 --> 02:45:16,000 Quickly a financial overview. This 3882 02:45:14,240 --> 02:45:17,920 position will cost fully loaded about 3883 02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:19,920 $230,000. 3884 02:45:17,920 --> 02:45:22,319 Um if we are successful in hiring a 3885 02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:24,800 position quickly, which is my goal, that 3886 02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:26,399 would be about $115,000 this year. 3887 02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:28,160 Expenses for this position will largely 3888 02:45:26,399 --> 02:45:30,479 be paid by the associated capital 3889 02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:32,560 projects. And so in the near term, that 3890 02:45:30,479 --> 02:45:36,000 includes funds that we have set aside 3891 02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:38,399 for the city hall project. 3892 02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:39,920 A quick timeline in July, we hope to 3893 02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:41,920 have a contract with an architect for 3894 02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:43,359 that city hall work to really drill down 3895 02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:45,439 on the final space planning and 3896 02:45:43,359 --> 02:45:46,960 improvements needed for that building. 3897 02:45:45,439 --> 02:45:49,120 Hopefully, we're hiring a position come 3898 02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:52,319 August, returning to you with more 3899 02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:54,800 refined planned uh for that project, 3900 02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:56,800 moving to city hall in the first quarter 3901 02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:59,359 of 2027, and then returning to you as 3902 02:45:56,800 --> 02:46:02,080 well with refined details for the police 3903 02:45:59,359 --> 02:46:03,359 remodel. 3904 02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:04,880 And with that, this is the proposed 3905 02:46:03,359 --> 02:46:08,000 motion from administration, and I'm 3906 02:46:04,880 --> 02:46:10,319 happy to answer any questions. 3907 02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:11,760 » Are there any uh council member? 3908 02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:13,279 » I had quick question. Now, you answered 3909 02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:15,279 it via email cuz I was asking about the 3910 02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:18,080 numbers cuz like in the provided 3911 02:46:15,279 --> 02:46:20,640 description, the salary was 124 to 164K, 3912 02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:22,720 but the ask was 230K. 3913 02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:24,560 Uh the answer was that that's so you 3914 02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:27,680 know, payroll taxes and benefits. It's 3915 02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:29,439 really 60 to $70,000 on top of the 3916 02:46:27,680 --> 02:46:30,960 salary. 3917 02:46:29,439 --> 02:46:33,760 » Yes. 3918 02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:35,680 » But I will add this is uh this is a much 3919 02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:37,359 better value knowing that we have this 3920 02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:38,800 body of work for several years than only 3921 02:46:37,359 --> 02:46:41,040 paying consultants. 3922 02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:42,880 » True. True. Okay. But just wanted to 3923 02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:43,600 triple check that that was the value of 3924 02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:44,080 all of that. 3925 02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:45,439 » Yes. 3926 02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:47,040 » Okay. All right. Thank you, 3927 02:46:45,439 --> 02:46:48,399 » Council Member Adair. I learned that the 3928 02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:50,160 first week of January and it's a 3929 02:46:48,399 --> 02:46:52,479 depressing reality, but it is a reality. 3930 02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:54,080 It comes to the president Mart. 3931 02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:56,319 » I will just say the carrying cost in 3932 02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:58,640 private industry is higher. So that's 3933 02:46:56,319 --> 02:47:01,359 that's actually kind of a deal um 3934 02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:05,000 compared to in private industry. 3935 02:47:01,359 --> 02:47:05,000 » Don't tell my employees. 3936 02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:12,160 » Okay. I'm not seeing 3937 02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:15,160 any other questions. So, is there a 3938 02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:15,160 motion? 3939 02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:19,120 » President Council President Marts. 3940 02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:20,880 » I move to authorize the inclusion of an 3941 02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:23,120 additional capital project manager to 3942 02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:24,160 the city's 2026 staffing levels. 3943 02:47:23,120 --> 02:47:25,600 » Second. 3944 02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:28,240 » If there's been a motion, a second. Is 3945 02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:30,160 there any further discussion? Uh, not 3946 02:47:28,240 --> 02:47:32,479 seeing any. All those in favor, please. 3947 02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:33,760 Oh, yeah. I'll just repeat the motion is 3948 02:47:32,479 --> 02:47:35,600 to authorize the inclusion of additional 3949 02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:37,279 capital project manager city's 2026 3950 02:47:35,600 --> 02:47:38,800 staffing levels. All those in favor 3951 02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:40,319 please say I. 3952 02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:43,680 » I. 3953 02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:46,000 » All those opposed nay and that passes 3954 02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:49,200 unanimously. 3955 02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:52,160 All right. Thank you very much. 3956 02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:56,279 Yes, we are taking a five minute break. 3957 02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:56,279 We will be back for the final item. 3958 02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:39,680 Okay, 3959 02:54:36,960 --> 02:54:43,359 this city council's fivem minute break 3960 02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:45,439 is over. Uh invite deputy city clerk 3961 02:54:43,359 --> 02:54:47,439 Cassidy Miller to present this item. 3962 02:54:45,439 --> 02:54:51,960 It's amendments to council rules of 3963 02:54:47,439 --> 02:54:51,960 procedure agenda bill 9137. 3964 02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:01,359 Right. Thank you, council. I'm Cassidy 3965 02:54:58,479 --> 02:55:03,200 Miller, deputy city clerk, 3966 02:55:01,359 --> 02:55:05,359 presenting on the uh council rules of 3967 02:55:03,200 --> 02:55:07,120 procedure before you tonight. Um at the 3968 02:55:05,359 --> 02:55:10,399 May 4th, sorry, I do not have a visual 3969 02:55:07,120 --> 02:55:12,399 presentation. Um at the May 4th city 3970 02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:14,240 council meeting, staff and the council 3971 02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:15,680 rules ad hoc committee members presented 3972 02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:17,920 the committee's recommendations and 3973 02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:19,600 answered questions. The city council 3974 02:55:17,920 --> 02:55:23,120 then requested amended language to 3975 02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:25,439 section 3.11 confidentiality to provide 3976 02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:26,960 a process for council members to receive 3977 02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:29,359 a non-confidential version of 3978 02:55:26,960 --> 02:55:31,359 information upon request. There was 3979 02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:33,359 agreement that this item be postponed to 3980 02:55:31,359 --> 02:55:35,200 the June 1st council meeting so that 3981 02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:36,640 language could be provided. The 3982 02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:39,840 following language has been added to 3983 02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:41,120 section 3.11 confidentiality. If a 3984 02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:43,279 council member wishes to share 3985 02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:45,359 information publicly that includes 3986 02:55:43,279 --> 02:55:47,439 confidential content, the city council 3987 02:55:45,359 --> 02:55:49,200 member may request city staff provide a 3988 02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:52,000 version of the information that omits 3989 02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:54,560 the confidential content. 3990 02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:56,319 The resolution provided in your packet 3991 02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:58,800 has been updated to include the revised 3992 02:55:56,319 --> 02:56:00,560 language, which is exhibit C. Tonight, 3993 02:55:58,800 --> 02:56:02,399 the city council can choose to approve 3994 02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:05,200 the resolution adopting the updated 3995 02:56:02,399 --> 02:56:08,000 council rules as presented in exhibit A, 3996 02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:09,680 or can offer amendments. Three potential 3997 02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:11,439 amendments were submitted to the clerk's 3998 02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:13,040 office in advance of tonight's meeting. 3999 02:56:11,439 --> 02:56:15,359 These were distributed to the council 4000 02:56:13,040 --> 02:56:17,200 for review earlier today. Should these 4001 02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:18,640 amendments or any others be made, I can 4002 02:56:17,200 --> 02:56:20,720 bring them up on the screen to help 4003 02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:23,880 ensure that they're captured correctly. 4004 02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:23,880 Thank you. 4005 02:56:24,880 --> 02:56:32,279 » Okay, I'm looking at the council. 4006 02:56:28,479 --> 02:56:32,279 Are there any questions? 4007 02:56:33,279 --> 02:56:41,120 What's Okay, I'm not 4008 02:56:37,439 --> 02:56:43,680 see any questions. Uh 4009 02:56:41,120 --> 02:56:46,000 I think it looks like everyone's looked 4010 02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:50,120 at the rules, so I think we could just 4011 02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:50,120 go straight to a motion. 4012 02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:56,720 Oh, Council President Walsh, I mean, 4013 02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:58,960 Council Member Walsh. So, um, 4014 02:56:56,720 --> 02:57:02,240 you're proposing 4015 02:56:58,960 --> 02:57:06,240 we had something tabled from the last 4016 02:57:02,240 --> 02:57:11,520 meeting, correct? And so, is this a 4017 02:57:06,240 --> 02:57:17,240 motion that replaces what we had on deck 4018 02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:17,240 or did we not have something tabled? 4019 02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:20,319 » I think this is the entire rules and 4020 02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:21,680 procedures that were created. Is that 4021 02:57:20,319 --> 02:57:26,000 correct? I think it's everything with an 4022 02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:29,160 amendment already updated in the system. 4023 02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:29,160 Go ahead. 4024 02:57:30,720 --> 02:57:34,720 » I'm not sure either. I think we have 4025 02:57:32,960 --> 02:57:36,720 three amendments tonight for what was 4026 02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:38,240 presented in the packet and so I think 4027 02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:40,479 that there is something included that 4028 02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:42,160 was in the packet was incorporated based 4029 02:57:40,479 --> 02:57:45,680 on the council's direction and then 4030 02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:48,880 there are three additional amendments. 4031 02:57:45,680 --> 02:57:52,640 I am also a very visual person. So, it 4032 02:57:48,880 --> 02:57:56,080 would be helpful if we are going to have 4033 02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:58,080 a motion um to have something up on the 4034 02:57:56,080 --> 02:58:00,720 screen and then potentially have 4035 02:57:58,080 --> 02:58:04,319 something available if we are to word 4036 02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:07,040 smmith or add amendments. Um because all 4037 02:58:04,319 --> 02:58:10,160 I heard was the confidentiality stuff. I 4038 02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:13,040 don't know what the other portion, but I 4039 02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:17,399 guess a motion hasn't been made, so that 4040 02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:17,399 would happen in that realm. 4041 02:58:17,520 --> 02:58:22,319 Yes, to my understanding, that's 4042 02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:24,000 correct. And I apologize. I um I am not 4043 02:58:22,319 --> 02:58:26,240 aware if there was already a motion on 4044 02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:29,200 the table or if the item was tabled 4045 02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:32,240 before a motion could be made. Um so I 4046 02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:34,720 apologize for that, but um the the 4047 02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:36,960 presented motion was um and I can pull 4048 02:58:34,720 --> 02:58:42,560 that on the screen. um that was provided 4049 02:58:36,960 --> 02:58:44,640 by the city clerk uh is is uh to um 4050 02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:47,600 approve the the resolution and the and 4051 02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:50,640 then adopt the ordinance. Um and then uh 4052 02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:52,800 from that um amendments or new motions 4053 02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:56,080 or amendments to this motion can be made 4054 02:58:52,800 --> 02:59:00,600 uh to um further revise the rules of 4055 02:58:56,080 --> 02:59:00,600 procedure before anything is adopted. 4056 02:59:07,040 --> 02:59:12,960 So I think 4057 02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:14,640 city clerk Miller the question you are 4058 02:59:12,960 --> 02:59:16,000 you looking for the original motion and 4059 02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:19,000 then the amendments or are you looking 4060 02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:19,000 for 4061 02:59:19,439 --> 02:59:23,279 » I can do whatever you need. I am just 4062 02:59:21,359 --> 02:59:27,439 looking for my share button. 4063 02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:30,960 Let's I would suggest that we take a 4064 02:59:27,439 --> 02:59:32,800 nonb breaking two-minute break to let 4065 02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:34,720 the the clerk's office figure out 4066 02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:37,279 whether we have a standing motion or not 4067 02:59:34,720 --> 02:59:39,200 » Or or we can table the entire item to 4068 02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:42,640 your next meeting. 4069 02:59:39,200 --> 02:59:43,840 » I I mean I I would like to get at it 4070 02:59:42,640 --> 02:59:45,520 tonight. There's just a question of 4071 02:59:43,840 --> 02:59:47,040 whether the original mo whether there's 4072 02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:48,960 a motion 4073 02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:50,640 » In already. I I think it's it's worth 4074 02:59:48,960 --> 02:59:52,640 letting the clerk take a couple minutes 4075 02:59:50,640 --> 02:59:55,760 to figure that out and then we can 4076 02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:58,560 either um continue that motion or move a 4077 02:59:55,760 --> 03:00:01,040 new motion. 4078 02:59:58,560 --> 03:00:04,840 » Okay, we're we're on a two-minute break 4079 03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:04,840 to we'll return. 4080 03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:44,560 Okay, we're back in session. Uh, city 4081 03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:45,840 administrator, update us on where we're 4082 03:01:44,560 --> 03:01:49,760 at. 4083 03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:51,840 » Yes. Uh, there is no pending motion. Um, 4084 03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:53,600 reading from the staff report, at the 4085 03:01:51,840 --> 03:01:54,720 May 4th council meeting, staff and the 4086 03:01:53,600 --> 03:01:56,560 rules committee presented the 4087 03:01:54,720 --> 03:01:58,160 committee's recommendations. The council 4088 03:01:56,560 --> 03:02:00,880 then requested amended language to 4089 03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:02,560 section 3.11 confidentiality to provide 4090 03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:04,000 a process for council members to receive 4091 03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:05,680 non-confidential version of the 4092 03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:07,279 information upon request. There was 4093 03:02:05,680 --> 03:02:09,279 agreement that this item be postponed 4094 03:02:07,279 --> 03:02:11,359 till June 1 so that language could be 4095 03:02:09,279 --> 03:02:14,240 provided. The language was provided 4096 03:02:11,359 --> 03:02:15,359 section 3.11 confidentiality. If a 4097 03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:17,120 council member wishes to share 4098 03:02:15,359 --> 03:02:18,880 information publicly that includes 4099 03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:21,040 confidential content, the city council 4100 03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:22,479 member may request city staff provide a 4101 03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:24,640 version of that information that omits 4102 03:02:22,479 --> 03:02:26,800 the confidential content. The attached 4103 03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:28,560 resolution has been updated to include 4104 03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:30,880 the revised language. So what is before 4105 03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:33,359 you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council 4106 03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:36,640 is that revision and the recommendation 4107 03:02:33,359 --> 03:02:41,040 is act is to adopt with that language 4108 03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:42,240 included from your May 4 meeting. 4109 03:02:41,040 --> 03:02:44,399 » Council President Marts. 4110 03:02:42,240 --> 03:02:47,279 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve 4111 03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:49,200 resolution number 2026-11 4112 03:02:47,279 --> 03:02:50,560 amending various sections of the city 4113 03:02:49,200 --> 03:02:52,720 council rules of procedure as 4114 03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:54,399 recommended by the council rules ad hoc 4115 03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:57,120 committee and repealing resolution 4116 03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:58,640 number 20008-15 4117 03:02:57,120 --> 03:03:01,520 relating to the policy for council 4118 03:02:58,640 --> 03:03:06,080 expenditures and adopt ordinance number 4119 03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:08,560 3140 amending sections 2.06.110 4120 03:03:06,080 --> 03:03:11,040 and 2.06.120 06.120 4121 03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:12,800 of the Isiqua Municipal Code relating to 4122 03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:14,560 city council meetings in order to align 4123 03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:15,520 them with the city council rules of 4124 03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:18,399 procedure. 4125 03:03:15,520 --> 03:03:20,399 » Second. 4126 03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:22,880 » Okay, there's been a motion and a 4127 03:03:20,399 --> 03:03:27,080 second. Is there any discussion or 4128 03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:27,080 additional amendments? 4129 03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:32,240 Council member Nichols. 4130 03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:37,120 » Um, thank you. I am motioning to amend 4131 03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:38,720 section 3.11 confidentiality. Um, 4132 03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:42,520 how do do you want me to read the 4133 03:03:38,720 --> 03:03:42,520 amendment in its entirety? 4134 03:03:44,319 --> 03:03:47,319 » Okay, 4135 03:03:53,040 --> 03:03:57,840 there it is. 4136 03:03:55,760 --> 03:03:59,439 I think they he just wanted to show Go 4137 03:03:57,840 --> 03:04:01,040 ahead, Council Member Nichols. But that 4138 03:03:59,439 --> 03:04:02,160 is up there and we will have to read it 4139 03:04:01,040 --> 03:04:03,520 before we vote on the amendment, 4140 03:04:02,160 --> 03:04:05,840 obviously. But for right now, you can 4141 03:04:03,520 --> 03:04:08,319 just speak to it. Okay. So, I'll I'll 4142 03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:09,600 speak briefly. Uh, so first of all, I 4143 03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:11,040 appreciate the city's additions to what 4144 03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:13,359 the ad hoc committee brought to us in 4145 03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:15,040 the fourth. Uh, the amendment that I 4146 03:04:13,359 --> 03:04:16,399 proposed is simply intended to 4147 03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:18,479 strengthen some of the concerns were 4148 03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:21,200 brought up by council members, president 4149 03:04:18,479 --> 03:04:22,960 Martz, and council member Walsh. Uh, to 4150 03:04:21,200 --> 03:04:24,720 strengthen slightly the council members, 4151 03:04:22,960 --> 03:04:26,800 the council, city council's expectations 4152 03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:28,800 of the administration. Really all this 4153 03:04:26,800 --> 03:04:30,960 is intended to do is to make something 4154 03:04:28,800 --> 03:04:32,720 explicit that from my read of this is it 4155 03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:34,319 is at the moment somewhat implicit in 4156 03:04:32,720 --> 03:04:36,319 the rule. That information is 4157 03:04:34,319 --> 03:04:38,800 confidential only if it could be 4158 03:04:36,319 --> 03:04:40,560 withheld under the public records act um 4159 03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:42,720 with a narrow exemption for executive 4160 03:04:40,560 --> 03:04:44,240 session and litigation timing. And 4161 03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:45,760 that's intended to answer council member 4162 03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:48,319 Walsh's question about what makes 4163 03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:50,000 something not confidential. Um as well 4164 03:04:48,319 --> 03:04:51,600 as council member Adair's concern about 4165 03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:53,680 labeling something confidential just 4166 03:04:51,600 --> 03:04:56,160 because it's awkward etc. though that is 4167 03:04:53,680 --> 03:04:58,240 of course strictly hypothetical. Um and 4168 03:04:56,160 --> 03:04:59,680 council president Mar Mart's points 4169 03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:01,760 about tying this to the public records 4170 03:04:59,680 --> 03:05:03,200 act which matters given the penalty here 4171 03:05:01,760 --> 03:05:06,640 can't be forfeiture of office in an 4172 03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:07,840 extreme case. Um it also is intended to 4173 03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:10,080 give a member who questions the 4174 03:05:07,840 --> 03:05:11,600 designation a clear path uh to ask the 4175 03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:13,760 city attorney to review it and get a 4176 03:05:11,600 --> 03:05:16,640 sharable version if needed um and put 4177 03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:18,560 that in writing uh to avoid any lack of 4178 03:05:16,640 --> 03:05:20,160 clarity there. I also appreciate city 4179 03:05:18,560 --> 03:05:22,240 attorney Turpin's review earlier today 4180 03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:24,319 and suggestions uh to the amendment I 4181 03:05:22,240 --> 03:05:28,279 originally proposed which I incorporated 4182 03:05:24,319 --> 03:05:28,279 uh and I would urge adoption. 4183 03:05:28,800 --> 03:05:31,920 » Council member Walsh. 4184 03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:33,359 » Second. 4185 03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:36,000 » There's been a motion a second. Is there 4186 03:05:33,359 --> 03:05:37,680 further discussion? 4187 03:05:36,000 --> 03:05:39,439 » Council Walsh. 4188 03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:41,359 » That answers all of the questions that 4189 03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:43,920 were brought up. It's very clear 4190 03:05:41,359 --> 03:05:47,760 language and I appreciate the clarity 4191 03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:50,399 both for staff and council members. Um, 4192 03:05:47,760 --> 03:05:51,840 I think this does a good job. 4193 03:05:50,399 --> 03:05:54,080 » Okay, seeing no further discussion, the 4194 03:05:51,840 --> 03:05:55,680 amendment for this body is amend section 4195 03:05:54,080 --> 03:05:56,960 3.11 confidentiality of the council 4196 03:05:55,680 --> 03:05:59,040 rules and procedure and resolution 4197 03:05:56,960 --> 03:06:00,479 number 2026-11 by adding to the end of 4198 03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:02,240 the first paragraph. In doing so, they 4199 03:06:00,479 --> 03:06:03,520 will identify the laws in which the 4200 03:06:02,240 --> 03:06:04,960 information will be withheld in response 4201 03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:06,880 to a public records request. information 4202 03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:08,720 will be designated confidential only 4203 03:06:06,880 --> 03:06:10,160 where it would be withheld in whole and 4204 03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:13,200 relevant part in response to public 4205 03:06:10,160 --> 03:06:14,479 records request under chapter 42.56 RCW 4206 03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:15,920 or where it is reasonably likely to 4207 03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:18,240 become the subject of a specific 4208 03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:20,800 upcoming executive session or relates to 4209 03:06:18,240 --> 03:06:21,760 a pending or potential litigation and 4210 03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:23,120 adding to the end of the second 4211 03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:24,319 paragraph council member questions 4212 03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:26,240 whether information has been properly 4213 03:06:24,319 --> 03:06:28,160 designated as confidential or wishes to 4214 03:06:26,240 --> 03:06:29,520 know the specific sections of the RCW or 4215 03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:31,359 other law under which the information is 4216 03:06:29,520 --> 03:06:33,279 designated as confidential or in any 4217 03:06:31,359 --> 03:06:34,880 time limit for such designation may ask 4218 03:06:33,279 --> 03:06:36,399 the city attorney to review the 4219 03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:38,240 designation may request a written 4220 03:06:36,399 --> 03:06:39,840 explanation and a version that emits 4221 03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:42,640 only the confidential contents of the 4222 03:06:39,840 --> 03:06:45,279 remainder may be shared. All those in 4223 03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:46,080 favor of the amendment, please say I. 4224 03:06:45,279 --> 03:06:46,880 » I. 4225 03:06:46,080 --> 03:06:49,279 » I. 4226 03:06:46,880 --> 03:06:52,960 » All those opposed 4227 03:06:49,279 --> 03:06:56,200 and that amendment is adopted. 4228 03:06:52,960 --> 03:06:56,200 Other amendments. 4229 03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:03,520 » I move amendment 4230 03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:05,040 3.1A. 4231 03:07:03,520 --> 03:07:08,279 I'm so sorry. This is my first time 4232 03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:08,279 doing this. 4233 03:07:09,600 --> 03:07:13,680 » Do I keep reading it? 4234 03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:15,200 » We can see it. So, you can speak to the 4235 03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:15,600 amendment. I'll repeat it before we 4236 03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:18,399 vote. 4237 03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:20,560 » All right. Um I uh had asked for some 4238 03:07:18,399 --> 03:07:22,319 clarity on effectively this just changes 4239 03:07:20,560 --> 03:07:25,439 council leadership to council president 4240 03:07:22,319 --> 03:07:28,800 to better clarify um when you would like 4241 03:07:25,439 --> 03:07:32,120 to attend remotely. Who gives a thumbs 4242 03:07:28,800 --> 03:07:32,120 up for that? 4243 03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:37,120 Uh, council Walsh. 4244 03:07:35,520 --> 03:07:38,560 » Second. 4245 03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:41,800 » Got a motion, a second. Is there any 4246 03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:41,800 other discussion? 4247 03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:47,760 » Okay. Not seeing any, I will read the 4248 03:07:44,800 --> 03:07:49,840 amendment is the section 3.10 4249 03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:51,120 apprentices a virtual remote attendance 4250 03:07:49,840 --> 03:07:53,600 of the council rules procedure and 4251 03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:55,840 resolution 2026-11 by replacing council 4252 03:07:53,600 --> 03:07:57,520 leadership with council president in the 4253 03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:59,600 sentence. virtual attendance granted for 4254 03:07:57,520 --> 03:08:01,120 reasons other than those listed above. 4255 03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:02,319 Uh medical issue illness or quarantine 4256 03:08:01,120 --> 03:08:03,760 or travel and city business may not 4257 03:08:02,319 --> 03:08:06,160 exceed a total of five meetings per year 4258 03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:07,920 without approval of council leadership 4259 03:08:06,160 --> 03:08:10,399 to be considered an excuse absence. So 4260 03:08:07,920 --> 03:08:12,240 it's just basically 4261 03:08:10,399 --> 03:08:14,240 you know replacing council leadership 4262 03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:15,680 with council president. All those in 4263 03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:16,880 favor please say I. 4264 03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:18,800 » I. 4265 03:08:16,880 --> 03:08:21,200 » All those opposed. 4266 03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:23,359 That amendment is adopted. 4267 03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:25,200 Council president Marts. 4268 03:08:23,359 --> 03:08:27,760 » Thank you Mr. Mayor. I want to move to 4269 03:08:25,200 --> 03:08:33,479 the uh proposed amendment to section 4270 03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:33,479 4.08 subc sub one 4271 03:08:33,920 --> 03:08:38,560 and following uh this evening's pattern 4272 03:08:36,800 --> 03:08:40,080 I will speak to it. I said earlier 4273 03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:41,359 tonight that I would speak I would say 4274 03:08:40,080 --> 03:08:44,000 the three things that have been the 4275 03:08:41,359 --> 03:08:46,080 biggest deal um to council in the 17 4276 03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:50,319 years that have been on uh Oakrest 4277 03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:51,840 pedestrian death uh Chel sites uh it was 4278 03:08:50,319 --> 03:08:54,160 only one meeting but it was the it was 4279 03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:58,080 the famous 7 hour and 45minute meeting 4280 03:08:54,160 --> 03:09:00,000 and of course ALPRs. So in all of these 4281 03:08:58,080 --> 03:09:01,680 we were able to accomplish what we 4282 03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:04,319 wanted to accomplish without setting 4283 03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:07,920 finite time limits on public engagement. 4284 03:09:04,319 --> 03:09:09,680 um we did it through um respecting what 4285 03:09:07,920 --> 03:09:10,880 we heard and repeating it back to the 4286 03:09:09,680 --> 03:09:13,520 public and letting people have 4287 03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:17,840 non-verbal support for it. I have seen 4288 03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:20,160 people use time limits and game it um by 4289 03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:22,560 the choice of speakers and people wind 4290 03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:23,840 up feeling scuzzy. So if we didn't need 4291 03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:25,120 it for those things, I don't think we 4292 03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:30,359 need to have it in the code, which is 4293 03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:30,359 why I support this amendment. Thank you. 4294 03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:35,600 Second. 4295 03:09:34,560 --> 03:09:39,640 » I'll second him. 4296 03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:39,640 » Okay. There's been a motion, a second. 4297 03:09:40,080 --> 03:09:42,640 » I I'll speak to if I could. 4298 03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:45,600 » Go ahead, Council Member Joe. 4299 03:09:42,640 --> 03:09:47,840 » Uh I appreciate the manner that council 4300 03:09:45,600 --> 03:09:50,160 leadership has been able to guide and 4301 03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:52,640 navigate us through these uh big issues, 4302 03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:57,200 including the recent conversation with 4303 03:09:52,640 --> 03:09:59,120 the the flock cameras. Um I do have uh a 4304 03:09:57,200 --> 03:10:02,240 great deal of trust in the leadership 4305 03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:03,680 that they will be able to um guide the 4306 03:10:02,240 --> 03:10:06,720 public participation in a way where 4307 03:10:03,680 --> 03:10:09,279 everyone feels seen and heard and valued 4308 03:10:06,720 --> 03:10:11,200 along the way and so I am okay with the 4309 03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:12,800 amendment uh that's before the committee 4310 03:10:11,200 --> 03:10:16,479 and we'll be supporting it. Thank you. 4311 03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:20,560 Uh before the council. Thank you. 4312 03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:24,160 » Okay. Not seeing any other discussion. 4313 03:10:20,560 --> 03:10:26,080 Uh the motion is to approve amendment 4314 03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:27,760 4.4.08 4315 03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:30,000 parentheses C parentheses 1 rules of 4316 03:10:27,760 --> 03:10:32,880 public participation amend section 4.08 4317 03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:34,000 C-1 uh rules for public participation of 4318 03:10:32,880 --> 03:10:37,359 the council rules of procedure 4319 03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:38,960 resolution 2026-11 by striking and to 4320 03:10:37,359 --> 03:10:40,080 set an overall maximum duration for the 4321 03:10:38,960 --> 03:10:41,520 public comment period. If maximum 4322 03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:42,800 duration is set efforts will be made to 4323 03:10:41,520 --> 03:10:44,800 ensure there is an equal opportunity for 4324 03:10:42,800 --> 03:10:47,439 individuals to speak in support of an 4325 03:10:44,800 --> 03:10:49,040 opposition to an issue. So that both 4326 03:10:47,439 --> 03:10:50,880 those sentences would be removed. All 4327 03:10:49,040 --> 03:10:51,200 those in favor, please say I. 4328 03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:51,680 » I. 4329 03:10:51,200 --> 03:10:52,479 » I. 4330 03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:54,720 » I. 4331 03:10:52,479 --> 03:10:58,439 » All those opposed, nay. 4332 03:10:54,720 --> 03:10:58,439 That amendment is adopted. 4333 03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:02,479 Council president's remarks. 4334 03:10:59,920 --> 03:11:06,880 » The hour is late, but um I just want to 4335 03:11:02,479 --> 03:11:10,000 thank once again uh clerk Geyser for um 4336 03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:13,120 you know, she is a sort of regionally 4337 03:11:10,000 --> 03:11:15,520 maybe even statewide recognized expert 4338 03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:18,800 um in the field of clerking. and this is 4339 03:11:15,520 --> 03:11:21,200 the third or the fourth um major ad hoc 4340 03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:24,160 in the last five or six years that that 4341 03:11:21,200 --> 03:11:26,160 she has helped uh walk through um and 4342 03:11:24,160 --> 03:11:27,920 done a sterling job. So although she's 4343 03:11:26,160 --> 03:11:29,600 not here tonight, I just I want to say 4344 03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:32,960 thank you so much. We're so lucky to 4345 03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:36,560 have her as our chief clerk. 4346 03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:37,520 » Excellent. Okay. And there is no further 4347 03:11:36,560 --> 03:11:39,760 discussion. And the motion for the 4348 03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:41,279 council is to approve resolution number 4349 03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:44,160 2026-11 4350 03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:45,680 as amended amending various sections of 4351 03:11:44,160 --> 03:11:47,200 the city council rules and procedure as 4352 03:11:45,680 --> 03:11:48,479 recommended by the council rules ad hoc 4353 03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:51,520 committee and repealing resolution 4354 03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:52,960 number 2008-15 relating to the policy 4355 03:11:51,520 --> 03:11:55,520 for council expenditures and adopt 4356 03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:57,120 ordinance number 3140 amending sections 4357 03:11:55,520 --> 03:12:00,399 2.06.110 4358 03:11:57,120 --> 03:12:01,920 and 2.06.120 of the Isqua municipal code 4359 03:12:00,399 --> 03:12:03,760 relating to the city council meetings in 4360 03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:06,399 order to align them with the city 4361 03:12:03,760 --> 03:12:08,479 council rules and procedures. All those 4362 03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:10,160 in favor, please say I. 4363 03:12:08,479 --> 03:12:12,640 » I. 4364 03:12:10,160 --> 03:12:14,960 » All those opposed, nay. 4365 03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:19,120 And that passes unanimously. The next 4366 03:12:14,960 --> 03:12:22,399 item of business is Oh, 4367 03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:23,680 » The new rules are in effect. 4368 03:12:22,399 --> 03:12:24,240 » And they've already caused a beverage 4369 03:12:23,680 --> 03:12:27,240 spill. 4370 03:12:24,240 --> 03:12:27,240 » Yeah. 4371 03:12:29,093 --> 03:12:31,112 [laughter] 4372 03:12:43,503 --> 03:12:48,000 » [laughter] 4373 03:12:45,439 --> 03:12:51,479 » Yeah, I was going to put an order. 4374 03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:51,479 » Yeah. Yeah. 4375 03:12:54,399 --> 03:12:58,479 » Okay. It is impressive to see how 4376 03:12:56,640 --> 03:13:01,279 quickly the council has already adopted 4377 03:12:58,479 --> 03:13:02,720 to the new rules. And with that, we're 4378 03:13:01,279 --> 03:13:07,160 going to go to an old rule, which is 4379 03:13:02,720 --> 03:13:07,160 committee reports. Council member Boyd. 4380 03:13:07,600 --> 03:13:11,359 » I think this is my last week. Well, I 4381 03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:12,960 have I'll have no report. I don't really 4382 03:13:11,359 --> 03:13:16,160 actually know how that works with being 4383 03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:19,040 an alternate, but um I'm appointed as 4384 03:13:16,160 --> 03:13:22,560 alternate to Epher. And I guess my 4385 03:13:19,040 --> 03:13:24,240 update is that I am in the queue uh for 4386 03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:26,880 being appointed to the Puget Sound 4387 03:13:24,240 --> 03:13:28,800 Regional Council's Transportation Policy 4388 03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:30,560 Board, but there's a few other steps I 4389 03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:31,600 need to clear before that becomes a 4390 03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:32,080 reality. So, 4391 03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:32,640 » Excellent. 4392 03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:34,560 » Yep. 4393 03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:37,600 » All right, Council Member Dair. 4394 03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:39,760 » Uh I have one report. I had a uh meeting 4395 03:13:37,600 --> 03:13:42,160 with the WIA8 4396 03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:44,239 salmon recovery on May 21st. There were 4397 03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:45,920 two presentations on legislative one was 4398 03:13:44,239 --> 03:13:48,000 on legislative updates and planning for 4399 03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:50,000 next year's session. Another was on 4400 03:13:48,000 --> 03:13:52,000 coastal streams and nearshore 4401 03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:54,080 restoration projects. Um but the main 4402 03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:56,399 agenda was approval of the grant review 4403 03:13:54,080 --> 03:13:58,560 committee's funding recommendations 4404 03:13:56,399 --> 03:14:02,239 which included nearly 6.5 million of 4405 03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:04,399 grants to go to the to go before the 4406 03:14:02,239 --> 03:14:06,160 King County Flood Control District and 4407 03:14:04,399 --> 03:14:07,600 Salmon Recovery Boards to be this was 4408 03:14:06,160 --> 03:14:10,399 their recommendations for what should be 4409 03:14:07,600 --> 03:14:12,160 awarded. Uh included in those were a few 4410 03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:15,600 different Isiqua specific grants 4411 03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:19,760 including the uh funding for the Isiqua 4412 03:14:15,600 --> 03:14:21,760 Miawaki forest like Seamish UWRP uh 4413 03:14:19,760 --> 03:14:23,760 repairing stewardship areas along Isiqua 4414 03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:26,319 and Tibbitz Creeks weed treatment at the 4415 03:14:23,760 --> 03:14:27,359 mouth of Isqua Creek. 4416 03:14:26,319 --> 03:14:29,040 Sorry, we're getting late. 4417 03:14:27,359 --> 03:14:32,960 » It's okay. You're fine. You're 4418 03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:34,560 » Meeting of six PPD Q in Isiqua Creek and 4419 03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:37,120 uh Laughing Jacobs Restoration 4420 03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:39,520 Construction. Um, and the next meeting 4421 03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:40,960 is an in-person one on July 16th, though 4422 03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:42,880 I don't believe I can actually attend 4423 03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:45,520 that in person. We will see how that 4424 03:14:42,880 --> 03:14:46,640 shakes up. And that concludes my report. 4425 03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:47,359 » Thank you very much, Council Member 4426 03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:48,560 Nichols. 4427 03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:50,720 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have no 4428 03:14:48,560 --> 03:14:53,720 committees to report on tonight. Coun 4429 03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:53,720 Walsh. 4430 03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:59,680 » I can see why you had a hard time 4431 03:14:57,439 --> 03:15:01,840 getting to the thing over here. Okay. 4432 03:14:59,680 --> 03:15:03,520 Um, I have three reports. Uh, the 4433 03:15:01,840 --> 03:15:05,200 planning, development, and environment 4434 03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:08,080 uh committee meets tomorrow. topics 4435 03:15:05,200 --> 03:15:10,080 include the goals and outcomes chart um 4436 03:15:08,080 --> 03:15:12,640 which we made recommendations for 4437 03:15:10,080 --> 03:15:14,640 modifications at the last meeting and 4438 03:15:12,640 --> 03:15:18,960 they're coming back with um those 4439 03:15:14,640 --> 03:15:22,720 changes. Um the clarifying amendments to 4440 03:15:18,960 --> 03:15:28,960 title 18 are land use code and the first 4441 03:15:22,720 --> 03:15:32,720 two code ordinances for um the building 4442 03:15:28,960 --> 03:15:36,000 um better group um which is on stepbacks 4443 03:15:32,720 --> 03:15:38,479 and open amenity space. Um east side 4444 03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:41,279 fire and race rescue will meet next 4445 03:15:38,479 --> 03:15:43,840 Thursday June 11th. 4446 03:15:41,279 --> 03:15:46,720 Um, I think we've talked about that one 4447 03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:49,279 enough, so I'll leave that there. Um, 4448 03:15:46,720 --> 03:15:51,359 uh, ARCH, uh, Council of Electeds, the 4449 03:15:49,279 --> 03:15:53,439 Regional Coalition for Housing, met 4450 03:15:51,359 --> 03:15:55,600 March 21st, and we received a 4451 03:15:53,439 --> 03:15:58,479 presentation on financing and local 4452 03:15:55,600 --> 03:16:02,399 funding for affordable housing. Um, we 4453 03:15:58,479 --> 03:16:06,160 also provided input on um, how regional 4454 03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:09,600 contributions to groups like ARCH should 4455 03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:12,560 be given credit for affordable housing 4456 03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:15,840 investments um, at the state and county 4457 03:16:12,560 --> 03:16:18,080 level. And so Arch is going to advocate 4458 03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:22,640 and kind of lobby on behalf of the 4459 03:16:18,080 --> 03:16:24,560 cities to say, "Hey, if we contribute to 4460 03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:27,760 housing that is built in Belleview or 4461 03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:31,279 Redmond um or any other arch city, we 4462 03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:33,040 should get credit for it." Now, that 4463 03:16:31,279 --> 03:16:36,880 being said, we still need to determine 4464 03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:39,439 if the state or King County are really, 4465 03:16:36,880 --> 03:16:42,880 you know, how they are evaluating our 4466 03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:45,040 five-year mid um comp plan to see 4467 03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:46,239 whether or not we are effective at doing 4468 03:16:45,040 --> 03:16:49,279 our jobs, whether they're really 4469 03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:52,160 counting number of units or rather are 4470 03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:53,520 we making movement toward policy. So, I 4471 03:16:52,160 --> 03:16:56,080 don't know how that will end up going, 4472 03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:57,920 but that concludes my report. All 4473 03:16:56,080 --> 03:16:59,600 » Right, council member Joe. 4474 03:16:57,920 --> 03:17:02,080 » Thank you. The mobility and 4475 03:16:59,600 --> 03:17:06,640 infrastructure committee uh met on May 4476 03:17:02,080 --> 03:17:08,479 12th. Uh we discussed the the um tip 4477 03:17:06,640 --> 03:17:12,399 this evening. The other item that was on 4478 03:17:08,479 --> 03:17:15,600 the agenda was um discussing 4479 03:17:12,399 --> 03:17:17,040 frontage requirements and um taking down 4480 03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:20,880 power lines in front of public 4481 03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:23,520 facilities as it relates to um Seamish 4482 03:17:20,880 --> 03:17:26,000 Water and Sewer District. That'll be 4483 03:17:23,520 --> 03:17:27,760 coming back later to the council in 4484 03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:29,520 June. 4485 03:17:27,760 --> 03:17:31,040 The June 11th meeting meeting is 4486 03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:33,359 cancelled 4487 03:17:31,040 --> 03:17:38,000 uh for M&I. 4488 03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:41,520 Eltech uh met today and uh on the good 4489 03:17:38,000 --> 03:17:44,640 side of things, uh the committee decided 4490 03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:46,800 to open a new round of funding uh for 4491 03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:48,239 what we call this the second shoulder 4492 03:17:46,800 --> 03:17:51,680 season, which is a little bit later in 4493 03:17:48,239 --> 03:17:56,560 the year. Um $100,000 of funding will be 4494 03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:59,040 opened up. awards can go up to $55,000 4495 03:17:56,560 --> 03:18:00,880 uh in order to encourage uh large 4496 03:17:59,040 --> 03:18:03,840 projects or innovative projects that 4497 03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:07,439 might help uh nonprofits or community 4498 03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:09,760 groups. Um the idea is to um kind of 4499 03:18:07,439 --> 03:18:13,680 grease the wheel or prime the pump, so 4500 03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:16,560 to speak, for economic vitality and um 4501 03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:18,960 uh helping our local businesses. June 4502 03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:21,600 10th, those applications will open up. 4503 03:18:18,960 --> 03:18:24,479 uh approximately they'll be due around 4504 03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:26,239 July 10th and reviewed by Eltech at the 4505 03:18:24,479 --> 03:18:28,319 end of July. 4506 03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:32,479 Cascade Water Alliance uh board meeting 4507 03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:34,399 will be June 24th. Um and June 16th will 4508 03:18:32,479 --> 03:18:36,239 be the finance and intergovernmental 4509 03:18:34,399 --> 03:18:38,160 committee that I serve on. That 4510 03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:39,600 concludes my report. Thank you, 4511 03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:41,520 » Deputy President Jen. 4512 03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:42,960 » Great. Three reports from me tonight. Um 4513 03:18:41,520 --> 03:18:44,720 first, the King County Regional 4514 03:18:42,960 --> 03:18:48,080 Homelessness Authority Governing Board 4515 03:18:44,720 --> 03:18:50,720 met on Friday, May 22nd. We received 4516 03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:53,200 briefings on the continuum of care, 2025 4517 03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:55,279 accomplishments in 2026 priorities and 4518 03:18:53,200 --> 03:18:57,680 on severe weather shelters in the 4519 03:18:55,279 --> 03:19:00,000 region. The King County Flood Control 4520 03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:03,120 District Advisory Committee met on 4521 03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:04,960 Friday, May 22nd. Um, we received an 4522 03:19:03,120 --> 03:19:07,520 overview of the flood control district 4523 03:19:04,960 --> 03:19:09,359 project process and we also talked about 4524 03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:11,600 some potential tours of flood 4525 03:19:09,359 --> 03:19:13,040 infrastructure across the county. So, I 4526 03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:15,600 might get to go on some tours, which is 4527 03:19:13,040 --> 03:19:17,680 very exciting. Um, and the East Side 4528 03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:21,120 Transportation Partnership is meeting 4529 03:19:17,680 --> 03:19:23,680 next Friday, June 12th at 8 a.m. in 4530 03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:25,200 Woodenville. So, we'll uh go up there 4531 03:19:23,680 --> 03:19:26,479 and see everyone in person. And that 4532 03:19:25,200 --> 03:19:28,239 concludes my report. 4533 03:19:26,479 --> 03:19:30,160 » Right. Council President Mart. 4534 03:19:28,239 --> 03:19:32,479 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The Sound Cities 4535 03:19:30,160 --> 03:19:34,399 Association Public Issues Committee will 4536 03:19:32,479 --> 03:19:36,800 be meeting next Wednesday, June 10th at 4537 03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:39,120 7 p.m. I will not be able to attend. So, 4538 03:19:36,800 --> 03:19:41,520 council member Adair will be uh 4539 03:19:39,120 --> 03:19:44,720 representing Isiqua on deck that 4540 03:19:41,520 --> 03:19:46,640 evening. That concludes my report. 4541 03:19:44,720 --> 03:19:48,000 Excellent. The mayor's report, the park 4542 03:19:46,640 --> 03:19:50,080 bond renewal open house is tomorrow 4543 03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:52,080 night at Pickering Barn from 6:00 to 4544 03:19:50,080 --> 03:19:53,439 7:00 p.m. and we'll have all the 4545 03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:55,120 projects will be posted and people can 4546 03:19:53,439 --> 03:19:56,960 come and ask questions, learn about what 4547 03:19:55,120 --> 03:19:58,640 projects are in the park bond renewal. 4548 03:19:56,960 --> 03:20:00,239 Garage Pride at the community center 4549 03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:02,479 lawn that will celebrate Pride Month in 4550 03:20:00,239 --> 03:20:04,000 Isqua. The garage pride is this Friday. 4551 03:20:02,479 --> 03:20:05,600 All ages bring the Isqua community 4552 03:20:04,000 --> 03:20:07,120 together to celebrate queer joy with an 4553 03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:09,120 afternoon of connection, creativity, and 4554 03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:11,439 celebration. Enjoy yard games, crafts, 4555 03:20:09,120 --> 03:20:12,880 freebies, and a taco truck. Uh this will 4556 03:20:11,439 --> 03:20:14,800 be happening on Friday, June 5th at the 4557 03:20:12,880 --> 03:20:16,479 community center lawn from 3 to 6:00 4558 03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:19,279 p.m. organized by the teens of the 4559 03:20:16,479 --> 03:20:21,120 garage and 50 years of Esqua Singers 4560 03:20:19,279 --> 03:20:22,479 concert. So celebrate 50 years of music, 4561 03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:25,200 community, and tradition with the Esqua 4562 03:20:22,479 --> 03:20:26,640 Singers 50th anniversary concert. The 4563 03:20:25,200 --> 03:20:28,720 special performance will commemorate 4564 03:20:26,640 --> 03:20:30,720 five decades of coral excellence. And so 4565 03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:32,640 it's the golden anniversary concert is 4566 03:20:30,720 --> 03:20:35,960 this Saturday, June 6th, at the Faith 4567 03:20:32,640 --> 03:20:35,960 Church on Inqu. 4568 03:20:37,439 --> 03:20:43,600 And that concludes the Makers report. 4569 03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:46,479 Good of the order. Council member Joe. 4570 03:20:43,600 --> 03:20:48,399 » Thank you. Um, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to 4571 03:20:46,479 --> 03:20:49,920 thank you for your participation as a 4572 03:20:48,399 --> 03:20:52,080 keynote speaker at the Memorial Day 4573 03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:55,600 celebration. I thought you did a great 4574 03:20:52,080 --> 03:20:58,640 job recognizing the service of all of 4575 03:20:55,600 --> 03:21:00,800 our uh branches of of the armed forces 4576 03:20:58,640 --> 03:21:02,720 and you made some very nice comments. I 4577 03:21:00,800 --> 03:21:05,120 also want to acknowledge the three other 4578 03:21:02,720 --> 03:21:07,600 council members that were there. We had 4579 03:21:05,120 --> 03:21:11,040 a quorum, but we did not discuss any 4580 03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:13,359 business. Um, thank you Deputy Council 4581 03:21:11,040 --> 03:21:15,760 President Jang, 4582 03:21:13,359 --> 03:21:19,520 uh, Council Member Nichols and Council 4583 03:21:15,760 --> 03:21:22,720 Member um, Boyd for attending that. Uh, 4584 03:21:19,520 --> 03:21:25,279 it was a great event to to go to. Um, I 4585 03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:30,560 also wanted to follow our newly adopted 4586 03:21:25,279 --> 03:21:33,200 rules. Um, we um, under 3.12, I believe, 4587 03:21:30,560 --> 03:21:34,800 I'm supposed to let people know that I 4588 03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:37,760 would like to attend the National League 4589 03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:40,560 of Cities in November. And if others 4590 03:21:37,760 --> 03:21:42,479 want to join and go to that, it will be 4591 03:21:40,560 --> 03:21:44,479 an expense over $500 and we would want 4592 03:21:42,479 --> 03:21:46,560 to schedule it to go to the order at an 4593 03:21:44,479 --> 03:21:48,479 appropriate time for council. So if 4594 03:21:46,560 --> 03:21:51,520 others are interested in going going to 4595 03:21:48,479 --> 03:21:53,920 Nashville, um please let leadership or 4596 03:21:51,520 --> 03:21:55,439 the administration know. Thank you. 4597 03:21:53,920 --> 03:21:57,120 » Thank you very much. I will say we 4598 03:21:55,439 --> 03:22:00,239 learned at the memorial service from the 4599 03:21:57,120 --> 03:22:02,080 community volunteers who water the the 4600 03:22:00,239 --> 03:22:04,239 little new flowers around the blue 4601 03:22:02,080 --> 03:22:05,680 memorial that they needed access to a 4602 03:22:04,239 --> 03:22:07,359 water tap, which they have been given 4603 03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:10,479 this week. And so that problem was 4604 03:22:07,359 --> 03:22:12,704 raised and solved. That was uh yeah 4605 03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:14,960 really appreciated from that group. So 4606 03:22:12,704 --> 03:22:16,880 [snorts] the upcoming council meetings 4607 03:22:14,960 --> 03:22:19,600 Monday June 8th committee the whole will 4608 03:22:16,880 --> 03:22:21,439 be right here. It's about climate action 4609 03:22:19,600 --> 03:22:23,279 plan economic development plan action 4610 03:22:21,439 --> 03:22:25,920 downtown association will present 4611 03:22:23,279 --> 03:22:27,760 operations and potential 2026. 4612 03:22:25,920 --> 03:22:28,880 Uh Monday June 15th is the city council 4613 03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:30,720 regular meeting. We're going to have a 4614 03:22:28,880 --> 03:22:32,800 reception for the Isqua Hall of Fame 4615 03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:35,040 winner Fred Nestrom at 6:30 p.m. And 4616 03:22:32,800 --> 03:22:37,200 then we will discuss the Isqua district 4617 03:22:35,040 --> 03:22:39,120 and city joint use agreement which we 4618 03:22:37,200 --> 03:22:41,920 met with the school district this 4619 03:22:39,120 --> 03:22:43,439 afternoon and we left it on the agenda 4620 03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:45,040 for June 15. So that's a good sign. 4621 03:22:43,439 --> 03:22:47,359 There is no executive session tonight 4622 03:22:45,040 --> 03:22:50,960 and being no further business before 4623 03:22:47,359 --> 03:22:52,319 this council is journeying at 10:31. I 4624 03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:56,600 cannot claim this was a meeting of 4625 03:22:52,319 --> 03:22:56,600 brevity but it is still adjourned.