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jackson county board of commissioners

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meeting for 2014 to order

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the invocation led by julie alexander

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and the pledge of allegiance led by

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addison alexander

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julie

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thank you

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dear heavenly father

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we humbly thank you for our many

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blessings we are blessed as individuals

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as a community and as a nation

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it is easy to overlook and take for

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granted the gifts you have bestowed on

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us we take this moment to simply thank

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you

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please protect those that serve our

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country at home and abroad our first

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responders

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law enforcement and military that serve

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our great nation we ask in your holy

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name amen

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i believe addison who is four will

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recite alone the pledge if not if any

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grandma will proudly say we will join in

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if that does not happen

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okay ready

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i pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the united states of

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america

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and to the republic for which it stands

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one nation under god indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all

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thank you addison

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adam clerk could you please call the

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roll

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yes mr chair commissioner lutchka

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commissioner rice

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here

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commissioner duckham here commissioner

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alexander president commissioner mahoney

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mr pelachick here

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elwell

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chairman chatwell here

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we have eight present

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at this time i'd like to entertain a

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motion to approve the agenda

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support

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we have a motion and support

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any additions deletions or corrections

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seeing nor hearing none

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all in favor of the agenda

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those opposed

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duly carried

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awards and recognitions we have none

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communications and petitions are there

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any to be delivered to the clerk at this

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time

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seeing no hearing none we have no

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special orders nor public hearings

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we've arrived at the first opportunity

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for public comment each individual will

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state their name and have five minutes

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to address the board you may only

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address the board once under this public

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comment opportunity and may not yield

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your time to others board members will

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not debate nor answer questions at this

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time

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opportunity for public comment first

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time

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you steve

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my name is wendy chamberlain i'm

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supervisor of parma township

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go over to the mic

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okay

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thank you

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at this time

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i would like to speak for parma township

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with regard to the street naming

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ordinance or the amendment to it

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i a supervisor and parma township

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support the adoption

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of the amendment to this ordinance

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we have on several occasions had our

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firefighters

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our rescue

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our police

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have a difficult time locating

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individuals

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that are in one case most recently that

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had been stabbed by a knife

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he lives on what we call west court but

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it's all addressed to michigan aves

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i personally got a phone call

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told the individuals where they could

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find him

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that's a concern

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i've heard it tossed about that it's

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going to cost too much

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what price do we put on someone's life

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what if it's your child

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your parent what if it's yourself

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i've read it

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i've discussed it

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ordinances are good in this respect

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keeping in mind it's a working tool

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and if there's a problem it can always

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come forward again

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for recognition

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and amendment again

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i have a lot of problems in parma

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township

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the non-sequencing

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of numbers

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in a quarter of them in an eighth of a

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i jump from the 19 000 number to a 17

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000 number

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that's very difficult

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my building inspectors have told me they

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have difficulty

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finding properties

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with this problem

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we have the ordinance that requires

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addressing for new properties

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that's not a problem

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but with the old problem or the old

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properties that don't have the numbers

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and it's out of sequence

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that's where the problem is

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i have roads that aren't named

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they started out as a driveway

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now they may have three or four houses

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on it

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if you have three or four houses on a

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private access

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that's addressed to the primary road

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our local

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may know it

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but what if it's mutual aid

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i'm very concerned about health safety

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and welfare for the residents in parma

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township 30 seconds wendy and i want to

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come on board first

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to be a township that would be addressed

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thank you

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any other public comments

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good evening commission

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my name is jb dj i'm the president of

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the village of brooklyn

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i'm representing the village and we

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oppose

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what is written

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i have read this in the street naming

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and addressing ordinance

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it is improved it is important to

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improve the system

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for public welfare

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but we need to look at all the all of

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the alternatives

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i mean how many streets are there

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the list was 52 pages and relatively

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small font

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which makes roughly 2 800 streets within

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the county

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27 of the 35 streets in the village of

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brooklyn which amounts to roughly 77

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may be effective

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108 in columbia township itself as well

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we're trying to solve a problem that we

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have with human air

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i can understand that i understand that

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the technology already exists at the

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county level

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now with what is called the advanced 911

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perhaps better training would be a

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solution

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everything is recorded

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voice and data

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and where deficit deficiencies

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can be shown more training can be given

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my understanding is that the ambulance

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does not have a problem going to the

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wrong place

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this alone

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by renaming all these streets

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still will not address

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the issue of human error

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out of towners i understand it's a

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problem because they don't know where

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they are well you can name the street

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anything you want and they still aren't

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going to know where they are

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so it will not solve that uh

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that problem the ordinance was

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written open interpretation

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and i believe that i do know some of the

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people who would sit on the advisory

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committee they're all good people and i

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trust their judgment but that's those

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who sit now what happens when it changes

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we are presently part of the lrua

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and i'm sure everybody can understand

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what the

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with the sewer district and the

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contracts how open to interpretation has

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caused many problems

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in section 1a chapter 87 talks about

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civil infractions

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and when i read that

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i see nothing about misdemeanors but in

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your penalties misdemeanors can be given

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and it seems a bit draconian as far as

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the penalties

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in section six point a point four and

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point seven the villages are not to be

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informed as all other government

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entities are as far as changes that will

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there's a burden to private citizens and

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businesses and government

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a few things for the citizens

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you have to change all your paperwork

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mortgages insurance anybody you do

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business with

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wills power of attorney even your church

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the businesses

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all advertising licensing state and

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federal your business cards contracts

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it's a very excessive burden

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as well as with government property

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descriptions assessing

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billing of water and sewer

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not to mention the cost that would be

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incurred by schools if they have to

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change theirs the navigation systems

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that we own in our cars and in garmin as

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well as onstar will be obsolete for

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several years to come

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this appears to be an unfunded mandate

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which i'm

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no one appreciates having unfi unfunded

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mandates

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are there surplus funds

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what is the true cost

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and regardless of where the government

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funds do come from ultimately those

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government funds come from the taxpayers

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themselves

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i do understand parma township's

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situation she had many she had several

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points

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that i think are valid

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but it does not necessarily mean that we

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need to make wholesale changes instead

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taking care of the problems individually

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i thank you for your time

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my name is tom miller i'm here as a tax

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paying citizen

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in opposition to the street naming and

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addressing ordinance

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while i

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the commissioner's concern with safety

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and the well-being of

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our people

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i don't think that

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allocating those types of resources is

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something

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that you get the best

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return on

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there are other ways to improve the

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safety that would be less expensive and

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less onerous on the people

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the previous speaker talked about

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businesses will pay a huge price

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if their street name is changed

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in many ways

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i could go back to my own experience

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when i would lived in toledo ohio

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they considered changing the name of one

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of the streets

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and when they really looked into it the

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cost that it was going to cost their

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citizens and their businesses they

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dropped it

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because it's an exorbitant

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cost

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now some of the things in the ordinance

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i think are good

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renumbering when there's a problem those

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types of things but the whole sale

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changing

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of names

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would be very expensive and it would

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take a toll on the people

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of jackson county

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thank you

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hello i'm pamela johnson i'm a trustee

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from norvell township norville township

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is opposed to the addressing ordinance

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as it stands right now for many of the

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reasons that the gentleman that spoke to

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you in front of me stated i am also a

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business owner in our community i own a

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radio shack franchise and i've had it

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for nearly 30 years

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my address is listed on innumerable

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websites that are national

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i am also tied in with different cell

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phone companies and things like that

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in our community i'm on main street if

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these changes are made

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30 years of my my business cards my

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letter had

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my customers and everything else could

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go by the wayside it would be an

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astronomical expense for me as a

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business person to have to redo

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everything associated with my business

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so from both sides there the government

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side and the business owner side

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please not the way it's written and the

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way it stands thank you

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any other public comment

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dan weimer napoleon township supervisor

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also speaking in opposition to the

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proposed changes to the ordinance

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i've provided

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three sets of written feedback to the

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committee

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various concerns that i have with

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several different iterations of the

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ordinance as it's gone through various

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edits

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i guess the the main point that i would

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like to make is

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the technology is available to solve

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this problem

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if you know where the phone is that a

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person is calling from you know where

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the problem is in an emergency situation

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the technology is available to identify

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the location of cell phones there is an

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app you can buy to put on your cell

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phone and on your computer

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uh your desktop computer and anytime

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your phone is somewhere that you don't

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know where it is it can tell you exactly

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where it is and the information is

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available the technology is is there

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i believe we should be going down that

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path to solve this problem rather than

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putting such a huge burden on residents

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and businesses to change

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potentially thousands of addresses

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so thank you

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any other public comment

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put the comments now closed

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we have no special meetings of the board

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we've arrived at the approval of the

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minutes of the october 21st 2014 meeting

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i have a motion and support

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any corrections or deletions

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seeing or hearing none all in favor

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proposed

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duly carried

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we've arrived at the consent agenda

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entertain a motion for the consent

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agenda

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we have a motion and support any items

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for removal

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getting our hearing none

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madam clerk did you post the vote

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consent agenda passed unanimously

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thank you

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we've now arrived at standing committees

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affairs and agencies commission chaired

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by commissioner david alwa commissioner

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thank you mr chairman we have a

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group of appointments tonight

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give me just a second if you would

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please

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we had two committees region two

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planning commission the current member

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is teresa abbey there have still been no

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applicants and therefore no

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recommendation from committee

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we also have the parks and rec board

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which expires december of this year uh

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the most recent member was michael rand

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there were no applicants for committing

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nor recommendations

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commissioner david elwell

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david lutzky i apologize

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hi brother

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we have an open nomination from the

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floor to serve on the parks and

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recreation board are there any other

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nominations from the floor

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seeing or hearing none

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all in favor of kenny price being

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appointed to the parks and rec board

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those opposed

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duly carried commission railwell

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no additional business mr chairman thank

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you

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standing committee report human services

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chaired by commissioner julie alexander

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commissioner alexander

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thank you mr chair human services

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committee has no business to bring to

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the board

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thank you standing committee report

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personnel and finance chaired by the

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vice chairman philip ducam commissioner

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duchamp

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mr chair personnel finance has no

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business to conduct tonight thank you very much

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and we've arrived at an unfinished

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business we have item a the leoni sra

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bond resolution

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is a discussion item i'm going to let

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the county administrator controller

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speak to it

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administrator overton

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thank you

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as everybody recalls that our last

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opportunity to discuss this

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i indicated at that time that i would be

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bringing forward a resolution

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with hopes of

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passing tonight

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but the truth be told after speaking

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with legal counsel

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we have to wait for them to default so i

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want to make it very clear

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if leone

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maybe retract that if we the county do

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not have the bond payment as of december

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1st

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we will declare leone in default on the

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bond payment at such time

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this resolution

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will be eligible and i would want to

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have a potentially a special meeting to

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go ahead and move as quickly as possible

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to declare default notify the state

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treasurer

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so that they could start procedures to

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withhold

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some of their state revenue sharing

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as well as

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we've already done the calculations on

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the math for what the millage rate would

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be

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it'd be .1688

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and that millage rate would be passed on

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to every

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property owner in leone township

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assuming the board were to approve the

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resolution in december that's assuming

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they don't

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pay the bond

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commissioner

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would it make sense to send them a copy

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of the resolution even though we haven't

483
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approved it yet so they know what's

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coming if they don't or would that be

485
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too forward they have it very good i've

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shared that with them

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commissioner

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this is only for the interest payment

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this time there's no principal payment

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on this that's correct this payment

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would be

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seventy seven thousand eight hundred and

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twelve dollars

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commissioner

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uh just to make my fellow commissioners

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aware of this uh

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leone township board is having a special

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meeting tomorrow morning

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you're all welcome to attend it's at 10

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o'clock in the morning

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and they're going to readdress the

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voting on the bond payment just to let

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you know

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any other commissioner comments

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any other comments from the

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administrator controller's office i have

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nothing to add

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as chairman i believe it would be

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responsible and appropriate

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for us to set a december 2nd 8 a.m

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special board of commissioners meeting

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for that as soon as we can act and this

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would allow us to have two weeks notice

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on that meeting to be published

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can i entertain a motion from someone

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we have a motion and support any

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discussion to the motion

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that's assuming they default correct

519
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okay

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correct we can cancel a meeting anytime

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we'd like we do need to give public

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notice

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to when we're going to have a meeting

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we have a motion and support any further

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discussion to the item

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mr elbow i'm just going to say i think

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it's the discretion of the chair really

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to call a special meeting if you so

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chose would it not be without a motion

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or

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it would be but it's much easier to do

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it here because i don't have to send

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sheriff deputies out to get you guys

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all in favor of the motion

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all right those opposed motion carried

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eight zero

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new business

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draft addressing addressing ordinance

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this is for discussion only this is not

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a first reading or anything like

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that i'm looking for commissioner

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comments at this time commissioner

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elwell

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i've been pretty quiet about it publicly

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up until now i've sat and listened to

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comments from the public here at a

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couple other public board meetings i do

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have strong thoughts on it i guess and i

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don't support

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the street addressing ordinance at this

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point

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and i think there have been enough

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points raised by the local communities

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to make it clear to us that there's

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probably a majority that do not support

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it i do agree that safety should be the

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primary issue but there are other things

558
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that can be done to assure accuracy and

559
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therefore safety that includes training

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expanded use of gps and other technology

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i think the original plan for the street

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addressing ordinance was to only bring

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forth changes brought by local

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government to the board of commissioners

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and that may be a happy middle ground

566
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that we could still work towards

567
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i also am disappointed that

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the city was exempted from the ordinance

569
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i think that just opens up a larger can

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of worms

571
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with a number of streets in the city

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that would be duplicated outside or are

573
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duplicated outside the city and i

574
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understand they couldn't do it but it

575
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doesn't mean we have to like that

576
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the cost issue has been raised it's not

577
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just the physical cost of changing signs

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but stationary

579
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and so many other things mentioned by

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the previous speakers during public

581
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comment

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i also heard an issue raised last night

583
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about filings with a register of deeds

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office that

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apparently used what's called a common

586
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address i don't know what this would do

587
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to that if some of those changed

588
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by this there's also as i recall not

589
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,679
an appeal

590
00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:23,440
for decisions by the committee to the

591
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,880
board of commissioners in the current

592
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,799
version that might be something easy to

593
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,400
fix but it's something that i don't

594
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,400
think is in there i've also heard the

595
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,559
comments that

596
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,960
the committee would be reasonable jb

597
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,559
mentioned that he trusted the people on

598
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,480
the committee so do i

599
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,159
but reasonable really is a matter of

600
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,080
opinion and interpretation

601
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,600
and

602
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,919
i think really if if there's a law which

603
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:47,840
this would be that is written

604
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,520
people expect laws that are written to

605
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,919
be followed and enforced

606
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:53,600
and to write them without the that

607
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,320
expectation is in my opinion stupid and

608
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,799
a waste of time

609
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,880
uh i also note that there's a mandatory

610
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960
requirement for every address in the

611
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,279
county to be posted

612
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,120
is it realistic to really

613
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,559
expect that we're going to go after that

614
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,080
and enforce that at the risk of

615
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,840
prosecution

616
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,919
and i will lastly say that i do strongly

617
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:16,080
support

618
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,679
the ideas

619
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:20,000
behind this ordinance from this point

620
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320
moving forward

621
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,600
but not retroactively and not to cause

622
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,640
a bunch of changes to street names thank

623
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,710
you

624
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,350
any other commissioner comments

625
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,799
commissioner.com then commissioner

626
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,669
alexander

627
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:43,360
thank you mr chair

628
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:47,110
uh first of all

629
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:55,510
public safety aspect of this

630
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,400
okay

631
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,279
i i support the uh

632
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,279
the issue of public safety

633
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,600
uh but as points have already been

634
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,159
spoken uh i do believe there's other

635
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:07,679
methods

636
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:09,120
to uh

637
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,760
to correct some of the problems probably

638
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840
not all a lot of it some of the issues

639
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,200
we've had has been

640
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,590
uh

641
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,360
just uh human error

642
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:20,640
and uh

643
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,559
this could be could have to be spoken to

644
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,120
with greater training but we don't have

645
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,360
any perfect humans

646
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,840
and i'd like to preface what i say with

647
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,240
the fact that it's a difficult job this

648
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,840
addressing

649
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,000
and street naming ordinance it's a

650
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,960
thankless job and and no disrespect to

651
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,919
the people

652
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:41,760
sat on the committee

653
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,880
but i just don't feel that

654
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,909
this is

655
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,159
there's too much left to interpretation

656
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:52,880
here and and like

657
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,760
the

658
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,679
president from the village of brooklyn

659
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:57,039
said

660
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:58,960
i trust the people's on the board right

661
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,840
now

662
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,080
to make the right decisions on on these

663
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,200
issues

664
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,840
but there's too

665
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,200
much that isn't written into the

666
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,799
ordinance

667
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,520
options such as

668
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,279
not changing the street name but

669
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,919
changing the addresses from three digit

670
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,880
addresses to four digit addresses and

671
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,440
leaving the names the same

672
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520
i'm told that's an option

673
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
however it's it doesn't say anywhere in

674
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,159
the ordinance that that is an option

675
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:29,200
so

676
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,720
while the board

677
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,360
the addressing board

678
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,909
may be

679
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,480
workable on these issues such as giving

680
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,400
you an option to do that

681
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,080
that's the current board

682
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,640
the next board may say

683
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,000
nowhere in the ordinance does it say

684
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,760
you're allowed to do this so

685
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,360
it's a difficult issue i understand that

686
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,159
but there's a huge economic impact for

687
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:59,840
the people i represent in district four

688
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,720
and probably every area of the county

689
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,799
and

690
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,480
at this point in time i can't support

691
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,880
this ordinance as written

692
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,880
going forward i'd certainly

693
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
not allow any duplicate names street

694
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,279
names

695
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,760
this duplicate sounding spree street

696
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,880
names or duplicating addresses but

697
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520
if i go backwards and correct

698
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,240
the many years of uh

699
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840
addressing and street naming we've done

700
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,240
i can't support going back on that thank

701
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,360
you mr chair first of all i'd like

702
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,399
to publicly acknowledge uh what the

703
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,960
committee consists of

704
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,720
the original adoption by the board of

705
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640
commission for street naming and address

706
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,480
ordinance

707
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,039
placed on this committee on the original

708
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,590
committee

709
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,110
the following individuals

710
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:04,710
two copies here

711
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,350
again going back to 2006.

712
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,799
the committee will consist of the

713
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,799
following individuals a jackson county

714
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:13,919
commissioner

715
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:16,320
county clerk road commissioner

716
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,080
representative from the u.s postal

717
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,000
office 911 central dispatch county

718
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,120
jackson county gis and the affected

719
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,200
governmental unit

720
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
the new ordinance the new proposed

721
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,360
revised ordinance

722
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
has everything

723
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
again similar with the exception of

724
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,549
adding

725
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,559
the chair of the jackson county township

726
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,080
supervisor association so again serving

727
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840
on this committee would be

728
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,080
one county commissioner county clerk

729
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480
register of deed

730
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,080
representative from the township

731
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
supervisors association

732
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
a county jdot employee

733
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,399
u.s postal service 911 central dispatch

734
00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:02,480
and county gis coordinator so

735
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,039
understanding that's the committee

736
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,720
those are the individuals that are going

737
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,840
to review any issues that come up

738
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,720
if issues come up and that knowledgeable

739
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,279
and informed committee

740
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,240
make decisions that constituents believe

741
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,600
are not in their best interest

742
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,919
i have the utmost respect for all of

743
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,559
those of you that live on main street in

744
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,600
jackson county or michigan avenue or

745
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,919
jackson street

746
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:35,600
those are issues to be discussed

747
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600
if this ordinance is not written

748
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,840
correctly then that needs then the

749
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,000
ordinance needs to be modified and those

750
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,679
suggestions will be taken by the

751
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:44,960
committee

752
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,120
but to sit here and say the ordinance

753
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,200
isn't good i don't like the five hundred

754
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,279
dollars it costs too much

755
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,520
that goes back to the original ordinance

756
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,799
that was written on july 18 2006.

757
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,360
so to say that the ordinance isn't good

758
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,279
the ordinance is the ordinance and that

759
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,840
is in place right now so i think we can

760
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
all agree i think we need to find some

761
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,399
common ground here

762
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,960
we know that modifications need to be

763
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,320
done

764
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
what are the modifications that this

765
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,399
board would like to see

766
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:21,360
what places can we move forward with

767
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,430
do we see that

768
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
addresses that are out of sequence are

769
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,120
our priority

770
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,159
do we see that private roads that have

771
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:34,240
the same name as the road that they are

772
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,120
coming off of are a priority

773
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360
again that is the information that i

774
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,279
believe the committee would like to see

775
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,799
and have and

776
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,120
easily could move forward with in a

777
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,389
collaborative manner

778
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,480
commercial

779
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,080
um

780
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,960
to address one issue you can't put every

781
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,240
single scenario that might arise in an

782
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,600
ordinance

783
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,799
i mean you can't you can't think of them

784
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,080
and you can't put them in there because

785
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,840
once you put them in there

786
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,320
you have no choice but to absolutely

787
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240
follow that you have to have some

788
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,600
flexibility to make the thing functional

789
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,630
um

790
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,590
the the numbering sequence

791
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,559
is terrible i mean you got

792
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,960
fedex trucks and ups trucks running up

793
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,519
and down the road trying to find people

794
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:32,960
i mean they pull into our yard all the

795
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,799
time wanting to know how where the next

796
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,080
number

797
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,159
next door neighbor is that's two miles

798
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:39,519
down the road when the numbers start

799
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:41,919
over again i mean you get there's common

800
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:43,919
sense things that need to be taken care

801
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:45,039
of

802
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:45,840
um

803
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,149
some of the things i heard tonight might

804
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,159
and and i know i'm not on the committee

805
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:53,600
and maybe it wasn't thought of before

806
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,720
was

807
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,440
maybe businesses

808
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,120
need to be handled differently than

809
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,830
residences

810
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,840
a business is

811
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,519
should be

812
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,600
more well known to

813
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,679
the delivery people and the ones

814
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:13,600
providing services than

815
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,919
some of the individuals

816
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,000
that

817
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,399
live on a private road that doesn't have

818
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:21,360
a name

819
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,669
so i

820
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,630
mr rice

821
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
thank you mr chairman

822
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,440
um i also appreciate everybody that got

823
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,679
up and spoke tonight

824
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,679
whether it be pro con

825
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,519
is not the issue uh

826
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,840
um you had something to say and i

827
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,519
appreciate you saying it

828
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,519
um

829
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,519
what i do want to comment though is on

830
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:50,720
uh

831
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,640
today i write a today i read an article

832
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,000
and uh

833
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,310
in that article the statement was

834
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
and it questioned if the policy in this

835
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,880
case of course we're talking about this

836
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,519
ordinance question if the policy wasn't

837
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:08,960
being

838
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,240
initiated due to inept training

839
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:16,079
and inept employees at the county level

840
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,839
i find this to be wrong and in poor

841
00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:22,240
taste let me comment further

842
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,240
first

843
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:25,919
consumer's power

844
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:26,800
had

845
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,800
the task of street addresses in the

846
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,320
first place

847
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,320
they didn't want anything to do with it

848
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,280
they screwed it up it didn't work

849
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,359
so in 2006

850
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:40,800
county puts together an ordinance

851
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,320
the townships have the responsibility to

852
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,399
deal with the addresses streets

853
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:51,119
except for a couple exceptions

854
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,030
the scope of work was not completed

855
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,879
now

856
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:03,910
jackson county from my perspective

857
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,599
not only

858
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,920
is obligated to do this

859
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,359
but if we're going to follow our

860
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:11,359
strategic priorities

861
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:14,400
and public safety being number two has

862
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,400
been number one for years

863
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560
if we're truly gonna follow

864
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,800
that as a strategic priority

865
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,680
then that's what we need to do

866
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,119
anybody that's been out there as a

867
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:26,800
police officer anybody that's been out

868
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,880
there on a campaign trail anybody's been

869
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,800
better first responder anybody that's

870
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,119
just went into a neighborhood to find an

871
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,230
address

872
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,839
many many times you can't find it

873
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,839
and i realize there's technology down

874
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:44,960
the road there's this and that

875
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,480
but the fact is

876
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,400
this is a responsibility that's been put

877
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,880
on but in our labs because the work

878
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,800
wasn't done before

879
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,950
and those are my comments thank you

880
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,750
any other commissioner comments

881
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,960
you have your

882
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,280
notes from the board of commissioners

883
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,680
we wait for the december study session

884
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,320
correct

885
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:24,230
okay

886
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,589
if

887
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,200
this isn't something that the county

888
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,720
just

889
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,320
fought up and said oh we need this

890
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,119
ordinance there's a state law that says

891
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,720
that the counties have

892
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,560
the authority to go ahead

893
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,880
and

894
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,079
for public safety make

895
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,030
ordinance

896
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,040
we're looking for legal clarification on

897
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,000
that dave

898
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,119
to make sure that we've got it

899
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,359
okay what was it it's listed in the

900
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:58,640
original ordinance so i okay

901
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,359
did you want to comment phil

902
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:04,000
i i could think of one more

903
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,079
we're talking public safety

904
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,040
but

905
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,400
one more scenario

906
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,160
that that's gonna happen because of

907
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960
humans being imperfect

908
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880
and that's

909
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,440
people whether it be police car

910
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,680
ambulance uh fire department vehicle

911
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680
dispatch gonna say

912
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,040
something like

913
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040
cooper street

914
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,960
everybody remembers where cooper street

915
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,480
used to be

916
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,960
and it's been changed and

917
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,839
we're gonna get a police car or a safety

918
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:40,320
public safety vehicle

919
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,800
because if you grew up in the area

920
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,240
and you know where all the roads are you

921
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,920
know all the names

922
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,280
it's gonna be a big learning curve to

923
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000
erase that out of your mind

924
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,200
and go to the newly changed name

925
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,320
and

926
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,800
i could see a lot of uh

927
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,040
emergency dispatch calls

928
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,320
going in the wrong direction because

929
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,880
that's where the road used to be and uh

930
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,400
i say we gotta

931
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,240
work more towards the technology end of

932
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:10,960
it

933
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,720
and try to eliminate the human error

934
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,200
because this will open the window to

935
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,640
probably

936
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,480
several years of human error until

937
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,599
google map maps and such catch up with

938
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:22,400
uh

939
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,680
with the times

940
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,150
and then the street changes

941
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480
question alexander

942
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
before we meet for study session i'm

943
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,880
getting two varied pieces of information

944
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,480
very knowledgeable and resourceful

945
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,880
people that i respect have given me the

946
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,800
information that when an individual

947
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,119
calls on a cell phone

948
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,480
that that location of that cell phone

949
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,440
is then

950
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,800
displayed

951
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,280
on the screen at dispatch center

952
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,520
however when i'm asking other

953
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,040
individuals who again are very

954
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,440
knowledgeable i am being told that the

955
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,560
location is not that of the cell phone

956
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,520
it's that of the cell tower and that the

957
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240
fcc has not mandated that it's the

958
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,000
actual location and will not come 2018

959
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,640
it will give more information closer to

960
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,640
it but i think that's a critical

961
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,119
question here we need to ask so we're

962
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,560
picking up the phone and we're calling

963
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,800
9-1-1 on our cell phone can we make the

964
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,800
assumption that they know where we're at

965
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,119
based on where i'm at with my cell tower

966
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,280
because that to me is a critical piece

967
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,880
of information that we would need to

968
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,040
have so i would like clarification on

969
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,960
that please

970
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,910
mr elwell

971
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,560
well knowing that we just spent what

972
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,240
million dollars on our dispatch center i

973
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,599
would think that we have the most

974
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,440
up-to-date equipment on it

975
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,760
but prior to the meeting tonight i went

976
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
to the verizon wireless website and

977
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,599
looked up their frequently asked

978
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,599
questions and i'll read a

979
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,680
very brief portion of it it says we also

980
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,520
provide peace apps public safety

981
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,960
answering points

982
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,599
with what's known as enhanced 911 or

983
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:05,760
e911 service

984
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
where psaps have upgraded their

985
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,839
equipment

986
00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:11,760
e911 automatically provides call takers

987
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920
with the mobile phone number the cell

988
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,400
site and sector and the estimated

989
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,480
latitude and longitude

990
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
location of the 9-1-1 caller if the psap

991
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,560
is capable of receiving it i have to

992
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,200
believe that ours is when i drilled down

993
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,880
a little further in the comments to see

994
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,560
how close it was

995
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160
it estimated between 50 and 150 meters

996
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,200
50 meters being 164 feet

997
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,720
i would think that's close enough to

998
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,480
figure out where somebody's at

999
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:47,430
and that's off the verizon website

1000
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:56,309
any other commissioner comments

1001
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:58,319
seeing none again

1002
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:01,280
please keep getting with the committee

1003
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,440
scott aims to get questions answered and

1004
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
share stuff with commissioners as you

1005
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,720
are concerned or your commissioners

1006
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,400
and we'll talk more about it at december

1007
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:18,870
study session

1008
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,560
as chairman of the board i'd like to at

1009
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,960
this time to recognize commissioner

1010
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,880
sarah lightner who's been requested to

1011
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,440
serve on the judiciary and public safety

1012
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,839
committee for mac

1013
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,079
and i would have hoped to get the

1014
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,599
board's endorsement

1015
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:34,880
of that

1016
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,520
entertain a motion please

1017
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,520
we have a motion and support

1018
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,599
any comments

1019
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:42,960
seeing none

1020
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,280
all in favor

1021
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,960
proposed

1022
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,880
be noted 8-0

1023
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,870
thank you sarah

1024
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,240
we've now arrived at the second

1025
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,400
opportunity for public comment

1026
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:04,720
is there any public comment

1027
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,040
seeing none

1028
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,190
any commissioner comments

1029
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,990
mr duckham

1030
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,800
yes i'd like to thank the uh

1031
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,240
representatives from the village of

1032
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,720
brooklyn columbia township napoleon

1033
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,880
township but norville township

1034
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,880
for taking the time to come up here

1035
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,680
tonight nasty weather slippery roads

1036
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,800
to express your viewpoints and concerns

1037
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,640
on this ordinance

1038
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480
i i believe we we need we got to do

1039
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,720
something but i just don't feel this is

1040
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,160
ready yet and

1041
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,839
i i appreciate you coming up with your

1042
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:48,069
comments and concerns thank you

1043
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:53,030
any other commissioner comments

1044
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,960
seeing or hearing none we have no closed

1045
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,280
session a reminder reminder from the

1046
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,119
chair that the december tuesday night

1047
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,280
meeting will be starting at 5 pm

1048
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,550
be aware of that

1049
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,400
seeing no other business to come before

1050
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,470
the board we are adjourned

1051
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,560
you