[0:00] jackson county board of commissioners
[0:01] meeting for 2014 to order
[0:04] the invocation led by julie alexander
[0:07] and the pledge of allegiance led by
[0:09] addison alexander
[0:11] julie
[0:15] thank you
[0:17] dear heavenly father
[0:19] we humbly thank you for our many
[0:21] blessings we are blessed as individuals
[0:24] as a community and as a nation
[0:26] it is easy to overlook and take for
[0:28] granted the gifts you have bestowed on
[0:30] us we take this moment to simply thank
[0:33] you
[0:35] please protect those that serve our
[0:36] country at home and abroad our first
[0:39] responders
[0:40] law enforcement and military that serve
[0:43] our great nation we ask in your holy
[0:46] name amen
[0:52] i believe addison who is four will
[0:55] recite alone the pledge if not if any
[0:59] grandma will proudly say we will join in
[1:01] if that does not happen
[1:03] okay ready
[1:05] i pledge allegiance
[1:07] to the flag of the united states of
[1:11] america
[1:13] and to the republic for which it stands
[1:17] one nation under god indivisible
[1:21] with liberty and justice for all
[1:37] thank you addison
[1:44] adam clerk could you please call the
[1:45] roll
[1:46] yes mr chair commissioner lutchka
[1:50] commissioner rice
[1:52] here
[1:53] commissioner duckham here commissioner
[1:54] alexander president commissioner mahoney
[1:58] mr pelachick here
[2:01] elwell
[2:02] chairman chatwell here
[2:06] we have eight present
[2:12] at this time i'd like to entertain a
[2:14] motion to approve the agenda
[2:16] support
[2:17] we have a motion and support
[2:20] any additions deletions or corrections
[2:24] seeing nor hearing none
[2:26] all in favor of the agenda
[2:29] those opposed
[2:30] duly carried
[2:33] awards and recognitions we have none
[2:36] communications and petitions are there
[2:38] any to be delivered to the clerk at this
[2:39] time
[2:44] seeing no hearing none we have no
[2:46] special orders nor public hearings
[2:48] we've arrived at the first opportunity
[2:50] for public comment each individual will
[2:52] state their name and have five minutes
[2:54] to address the board you may only
[2:56] address the board once under this public
[2:58] comment opportunity and may not yield
[3:01] your time to others board members will
[3:03] not debate nor answer questions at this
[3:05] time
[3:07] opportunity for public comment first
[3:09] time
[3:18] you steve
[3:19] my name is wendy chamberlain i'm
[3:20] supervisor of parma township
[3:25] go over to the mic
[3:27] good
[3:30] okay
[3:31] thank you
[3:32] at this time
[3:34] i would like to speak for parma township
[3:37] with regard to the street naming
[3:40] ordinance or the amendment to it
[3:44] i a supervisor and parma township
[3:46] support the adoption
[3:48] of the amendment to this ordinance
[3:51] we have on several occasions had our
[3:54] firefighters
[3:55] our rescue
[3:57] our police
[3:58] have a difficult time locating
[4:01] individuals
[4:03] that are in one case most recently that
[4:05] had been stabbed by a knife
[4:09] he lives on what we call west court but
[4:11] it's all addressed to michigan aves
[4:15] i personally got a phone call
[4:18] told the individuals where they could
[4:20] find him
[4:21] that's a concern
[4:25] i've heard it tossed about that it's
[4:27] going to cost too much
[4:29] what price do we put on someone's life
[4:33] what if it's your child
[4:34] your parent what if it's yourself
[4:39] i've read it
[4:41] i've discussed it
[4:45] ordinances are good in this respect
[4:48] keeping in mind it's a working tool
[4:51] and if there's a problem it can always
[4:53] come forward again
[4:55] for recognition
[4:57] and amendment again
[5:00] i have a lot of problems in parma
[5:02] township
[5:03] with
[5:04] the non-sequencing
[5:06] of numbers
[5:09] in a quarter of them in an eighth of a
[5:11] mile
[5:12] i jump from the 19 000 number to a 17
[5:17] 000 number
[5:20] that's very difficult
[5:23] my building inspectors have told me they
[5:26] have difficulty
[5:27] finding properties
[5:29] with this problem
[5:31] we have the ordinance that requires
[5:34] addressing for new properties
[5:39] that's not a problem
[5:41] but with the old problem or the old
[5:43] properties that don't have the numbers
[5:45] out
[5:47] and it's out of sequence
[5:50] that's where the problem is
[5:52] i have roads that aren't named
[5:55] they started out as a driveway
[5:57] now they may have three or four houses
[5:59] on it
[6:01] if you have three or four houses on a
[6:04] private access
[6:05] that's addressed to the primary road
[6:09] our local
[6:10] firefighters
[6:12] may know it
[6:13] but what if it's mutual aid
[6:17] i'm very concerned about health safety
[6:19] and welfare for the residents in parma
[6:22] township 30 seconds wendy and i want to
[6:24] come on board first
[6:28] to be a township that would be addressed
[6:30] first
[6:31] thank you
[6:38] any other public comments
[6:48] good evening commission
[6:50] my name is jb dj i'm the president of
[6:52] the village of brooklyn
[6:57] i'm representing the village and we
[6:59] oppose
[7:01] what is written
[7:02] i have read this in the street naming
[7:04] and addressing ordinance
[7:07] it is improved it is important to
[7:09] improve the system
[7:10] for public welfare
[7:12] but we need to look at all the all of
[7:14] the alternatives
[7:16] i mean how many streets are there
[7:19] the list was 52 pages and relatively
[7:21] small font
[7:23] which makes roughly 2 800 streets within
[7:25] the county
[7:26] 27 of the 35 streets in the village of
[7:29] brooklyn which amounts to roughly 77
[7:32] percent
[7:33] may be effective
[7:34] 108 in columbia township itself as well
[7:39] we're trying to solve a problem that we
[7:40] have with human air
[7:42] i can understand that i understand that
[7:44] the technology already exists at the
[7:46] county level
[7:47] now with what is called the advanced 911
[7:50] system
[7:52] perhaps better training would be a
[7:54] solution
[7:55] everything is recorded
[7:57] voice and data
[7:59] and where deficit deficiencies
[8:01] can be shown more training can be given
[8:05] my understanding is that the ambulance
[8:07] the hva
[8:08] does not have a problem going to the
[8:10] wrong place
[8:12] this alone
[8:13] by renaming all these streets
[8:15] still will not address
[8:17] the issue of human error
[8:20] out of towners i understand it's a
[8:21] problem because they don't know where
[8:22] they are well you can name the street
[8:23] anything you want and they still aren't
[8:25] going to know where they are
[8:26] so it will not solve that uh
[8:30] that problem the ordinance was
[8:32] written open interpretation
[8:34] and i believe that i do know some of the
[8:37] people who would sit on the advisory
[8:39] committee they're all good people and i
[8:41] trust their judgment but that's those
[8:43] who sit now what happens when it changes
[8:45] over
[8:47] we are presently part of the lrua
[8:50] and i'm sure everybody can understand
[8:52] what the
[8:53] with the sewer district and the
[8:54] contracts how open to interpretation has
[8:57] caused many problems
[8:59] in section 1a chapter 87 talks about
[9:02] civil infractions
[9:04] and when i read that
[9:06] i see nothing about misdemeanors but in
[9:08] your penalties misdemeanors can be given
[9:10] and it seems a bit draconian as far as
[9:12] the penalties
[9:15] in section six point a point four and
[9:17] six point b
[9:18] point seven the villages are not to be
[9:20] informed as all other government
[9:22] entities are as far as changes that will
[9:24] occur
[9:26] there's a burden to private citizens and
[9:28] businesses and government
[9:31] a few things for the citizens
[9:33] you have to change all your paperwork
[9:35] mortgages insurance anybody you do
[9:38] business with
[9:39] wills power of attorney even your church
[9:41] directory
[9:45] the businesses
[9:47] all advertising licensing state and
[9:50] federal your business cards contracts
[9:52] signages
[9:53] it's a very excessive burden
[9:56] as well as with government property
[9:58] descriptions assessing
[10:00] billing of water and sewer
[10:02] not to mention the cost that would be
[10:04] incurred by schools if they have to
[10:06] change theirs the navigation systems
[10:08] that we own in our cars and in garmin as
[10:10] well as onstar will be obsolete for
[10:12] several years to come
[10:15] this appears to be an unfunded mandate
[10:18] which i'm
[10:20] sure that
[10:21] no one appreciates having unfi unfunded
[10:23] mandates
[10:24] are there surplus funds
[10:26] what is the true cost
[10:28] and regardless of where the government
[10:30] funds do come from ultimately those
[10:33] government funds come from the taxpayers
[10:35] themselves
[10:36] i do understand parma township's
[10:38] situation she had many she had several
[10:42] points
[10:43] that i think are valid
[10:45] but it does not necessarily mean that we
[10:47] need to make wholesale changes instead
[10:49] of
[10:50] taking care of the problems individually
[10:52] i thank you for your time
[11:13] my name is tom miller i'm here as a tax
[11:16] paying citizen
[11:18] in opposition to the street naming and
[11:20] addressing ordinance
[11:23] while i
[11:24] applaud
[11:25] the commissioner's concern with safety
[11:28] and the well-being of
[11:32] our people
[11:35] i don't think that
[11:36] allocating those types of resources is
[11:39] something
[11:41] that you get the best
[11:43] return on
[11:45] there are other ways to improve the
[11:47] safety that would be less expensive and
[11:50] less onerous on the people
[11:53] as
[11:54] the previous speaker talked about
[11:56] businesses will pay a huge price
[12:00] if their street name is changed
[12:03] in many ways
[12:05] i could go back to my own experience
[12:08] when i would lived in toledo ohio
[12:10] they considered changing the name of one
[12:13] of the streets
[12:15] and when they really looked into it the
[12:18] cost that it was going to cost their
[12:19] citizens and their businesses they
[12:21] dropped it
[12:23] because it's an exorbitant
[12:25] cost
[12:26] now some of the things in the ordinance
[12:29] i think are good
[12:31] renumbering when there's a problem those
[12:33] types of things but the whole sale
[12:35] changing
[12:36] of names
[12:38] would be very expensive and it would
[12:40] take a toll on the people
[12:43] of jackson county
[12:45] thank you
[12:54] hello i'm pamela johnson i'm a trustee
[12:57] from norvell township norville township
[13:00] is opposed to the addressing ordinance
[13:02] as it stands right now for many of the
[13:04] reasons that the gentleman that spoke to
[13:06] you in front of me stated i am also a
[13:09] business owner in our community i own a
[13:11] radio shack franchise and i've had it
[13:13] for nearly 30 years
[13:14] my address is listed on innumerable
[13:17] websites that are national
[13:19] i am also tied in with different cell
[13:21] phone companies and things like that
[13:24] in our community i'm on main street if
[13:26] these changes are made
[13:28] 30 years of my my business cards my
[13:31] letter had
[13:32] my customers and everything else could
[13:34] go by the wayside it would be an
[13:36] astronomical expense for me as a
[13:38] business person to have to redo
[13:39] everything associated with my business
[13:42] so from both sides there the government
[13:43] side and the business owner side
[13:46] please not the way it's written and the
[13:48] way it stands thank you
[13:58] any other public comment
[14:06] dan weimer napoleon township supervisor
[14:08] also speaking in opposition to the
[14:10] proposed changes to the ordinance
[14:13] i've provided
[14:15] three sets of written feedback to the
[14:17] committee
[14:18] various concerns that i have with
[14:21] several different iterations of the
[14:22] ordinance as it's gone through various
[14:25] edits
[14:26] i guess the the main point that i would
[14:29] like to make is
[14:31] the technology is available to solve
[14:34] this problem
[14:35] if you know where the phone is that a
[14:37] person is calling from you know where
[14:39] the problem is in an emergency situation
[14:42] the technology is available to identify
[14:44] the location of cell phones there is an
[14:47] app you can buy to put on your cell
[14:49] phone and on your computer
[14:50] uh your desktop computer and anytime
[14:53] your phone is somewhere that you don't
[14:54] know where it is it can tell you exactly
[14:56] where it is and the information is
[14:58] available the technology is is there
[15:01] i believe we should be going down that
[15:03] path to solve this problem rather than
[15:06] putting such a huge burden on residents
[15:08] and businesses to change
[15:10] potentially thousands of addresses
[15:14] so thank you
[15:22] any other public comment
[15:28] put the comments now closed
[15:36] we have no special meetings of the board
[15:39] we've arrived at the approval of the
[15:40] minutes of the october 21st 2014 meeting
[15:50] i have a motion and support
[15:52] any corrections or deletions
[15:56] seeing or hearing none all in favor
[16:00] proposed
[16:01] duly carried
[16:05] we've arrived at the consent agenda
[16:08] entertain a motion for the consent
[16:09] agenda
[16:12] we have a motion and support any items
[16:14] for removal
[16:20] getting our hearing none
[16:22] madam clerk did you post the vote
[16:34] consent agenda passed unanimously
[16:40] thank you
[16:44] we've now arrived at standing committees
[16:47] affairs and agencies commission chaired
[16:49] by commissioner david alwa commissioner
[16:54] thank you mr chairman we have a
[16:57] group of appointments tonight
[16:59] give me just a second if you would
[17:01] please
[17:04] we had two committees region two
[17:06] planning commission the current member
[17:07] is teresa abbey there have still been no
[17:09] applicants and therefore no
[17:11] recommendation from committee
[17:14] we also have the parks and rec board
[17:17] which expires december of this year uh
[17:20] the most recent member was michael rand
[17:22] there were no applicants for committing
[17:24] nor recommendations
[17:26] commissioner david elwell
[17:28] david lutzky i apologize
[17:30] hi brother
[17:46] we have an open nomination from the
[17:47] floor to serve on the parks and
[17:48] recreation board are there any other
[17:50] nominations from the floor
[17:55] seeing or hearing none
[17:56] all in favor of kenny price being
[17:58] appointed to the parks and rec board
[18:01] those opposed
[18:03] duly carried commission railwell
[18:06] no additional business mr chairman thank
[18:08] you
[18:11] standing committee report human services
[18:13] chaired by commissioner julie alexander
[18:15] commissioner alexander
[18:17] thank you mr chair human services
[18:19] committee has no business to bring to
[18:21] the board
[18:22] thank you standing committee report
[18:24] personnel and finance chaired by the
[18:26] vice chairman philip ducam commissioner
[18:28] duchamp
[18:29] mr chair personnel finance has no
[18:31] business to conduct tonight thank you very much
[18:37] and we've arrived at an unfinished
[18:38] business we have item a the leoni sra
[18:42] bond resolution
[18:43] is a discussion item i'm going to let
[18:45] the county administrator controller
[18:47] speak to it
[18:48] administrator overton
[18:50] thank you
[18:52] as everybody recalls that our last
[18:54] opportunity to discuss this
[18:57] i indicated at that time that i would be
[18:59] bringing forward a resolution
[19:01] with hopes of
[19:02] passing tonight
[19:04] but the truth be told after speaking
[19:05] with legal counsel
[19:07] we have to wait for them to default so i
[19:09] want to make it very clear
[19:13] if leone
[19:16] maybe retract that if we the county do
[19:20] not have the bond payment as of december
[19:22] 1st
[19:23] we will declare leone in default on the
[19:26] bond payment at such time
[19:29] this resolution
[19:31] will be eligible and i would want to
[19:33] have a potentially a special meeting to
[19:35] go ahead and move as quickly as possible
[19:38] to declare default notify the state
[19:40] treasurer
[19:42] so that they could start procedures to
[19:45] withhold
[19:46] some of their state revenue sharing
[19:48] as well as
[19:50] we've already done the calculations on
[19:51] the math for what the millage rate would
[19:53] be
[19:55] it'd be .1688
[19:59] and that millage rate would be passed on
[20:00] to every
[20:01] property owner in leone township
[20:03] assuming the board were to approve the
[20:05] resolution in december that's assuming
[20:08] they don't
[20:09] pay the bond
[20:10] commissioner
[20:12] would it make sense to send them a copy
[20:14] of the resolution even though we haven't
[20:15] approved it yet so they know what's
[20:17] coming if they don't or would that be
[20:18] too forward they have it very good i've
[20:21] shared that with them
[20:24] commissioner
[20:29] this is only for the interest payment
[20:31] this time there's no principal payment
[20:33] on this that's correct this payment
[20:35] would be
[20:36] seventy seven thousand eight hundred and
[20:38] twelve dollars
[20:42] commissioner
[20:45] uh just to make my fellow commissioners
[20:48] aware of this uh
[20:49] leone township board is having a special
[20:52] meeting tomorrow morning
[20:54] you're all welcome to attend it's at 10
[20:56] o'clock in the morning
[20:58] and they're going to readdress the
[21:01] voting on the bond payment just to let
[21:03] you know
[21:07] any other commissioner comments
[21:11] any other comments from the
[21:12] administrator controller's office i have
[21:14] nothing to add
[21:19] as chairman i believe it would be
[21:20] responsible and appropriate
[21:22] for us to set a december 2nd 8 a.m
[21:25] special board of commissioners meeting
[21:27] for that as soon as we can act and this
[21:29] would allow us to have two weeks notice
[21:32] on that meeting to be published
[21:35] can i entertain a motion from someone
[21:38] we have a motion and support any
[21:40] discussion to the motion
[21:44] that's assuming they default correct
[21:46] okay
[21:47] correct we can cancel a meeting anytime
[21:49] we'd like we do need to give public
[21:51] notice
[21:52] to when we're going to have a meeting
[21:56] we have a motion and support any further
[21:58] discussion to the item
[22:00] mr elbow i'm just going to say i think
[22:03] it's the discretion of the chair really
[22:04] to call a special meeting if you so
[22:06] chose would it not be without a motion
[22:07] or
[22:08] it would be but it's much easier to do
[22:10] it here because i don't have to send
[22:11] sheriff deputies out to get you guys
[22:18] all in favor of the motion
[22:21] all right those opposed motion carried
[22:23] eight zero
[22:27] new business
[22:30] draft addressing addressing ordinance
[22:33] this is for discussion only this is not
[22:36] a first reading or anything like
[22:38] that i'm looking for commissioner
[22:41] comments at this time commissioner
[22:42] elwell
[22:46] i've been pretty quiet about it publicly
[22:47] up until now i've sat and listened to
[22:50] comments from the public here at a
[22:52] couple other public board meetings i do
[22:55] have strong thoughts on it i guess and i
[22:57] don't support
[22:58] the street addressing ordinance at this
[23:00] point
[23:01] and i think there have been enough
[23:02] points raised by the local communities
[23:04] to make it clear to us that there's
[23:06] probably a majority that do not support
[23:08] it i do agree that safety should be the
[23:10] primary issue but there are other things
[23:12] that can be done to assure accuracy and
[23:14] therefore safety that includes training
[23:17] expanded use of gps and other technology
[23:21] i think the original plan for the street
[23:23] addressing ordinance was to only bring
[23:25] forth changes brought by local
[23:27] government to the board of commissioners
[23:29] and that may be a happy middle ground
[23:32] that we could still work towards
[23:34] i also am disappointed that
[23:38] the city was exempted from the ordinance
[23:41] i think that just opens up a larger can
[23:43] of worms
[23:44] with a number of streets in the city
[23:46] that would be duplicated outside or are
[23:48] duplicated outside the city and i
[23:50] understand they couldn't do it but it
[23:52] doesn't mean we have to like that
[23:55] the cost issue has been raised it's not
[23:56] just the physical cost of changing signs
[23:58] but stationary
[24:00] and so many other things mentioned by
[24:02] the previous speakers during public
[24:04] comment
[24:05] i also heard an issue raised last night
[24:07] about filings with a register of deeds
[24:09] office that
[24:10] apparently used what's called a common
[24:12] address i don't know what this would do
[24:14] to that if some of those changed
[24:17] by this there's also as i recall not
[24:20] an appeal
[24:21] for decisions by the committee to the
[24:23] board of commissioners in the current
[24:24] version that might be something easy to
[24:26] fix but it's something that i don't
[24:28] think is in there i've also heard the
[24:30] comments that
[24:32] the committee would be reasonable jb
[24:34] mentioned that he trusted the people on
[24:36] the committee so do i
[24:38] but reasonable really is a matter of
[24:40] opinion and interpretation
[24:42] and
[24:43] i think really if if there's a law which
[24:45] this would be that is written
[24:47] people expect laws that are written to
[24:49] be followed and enforced
[24:51] and to write them without the that
[24:53] expectation is in my opinion stupid and
[24:56] a waste of time
[24:58] uh i also note that there's a mandatory
[25:00] requirement for every address in the
[25:02] county to be posted
[25:05] is it realistic to really
[25:07] expect that we're going to go after that
[25:08] and enforce that at the risk of
[25:10] prosecution
[25:11] and i will lastly say that i do strongly
[25:13] support
[25:16] the ideas
[25:17] behind this ordinance from this point
[25:20] moving forward
[25:22] but not retroactively and not to cause
[25:25] a bunch of changes to street names thank
[25:28] you
[25:32] any other commissioner comments
[25:37] commissioner.com then commissioner
[25:38] alexander
[25:41] thank you mr chair
[25:43] uh first of all
[25:47] public safety aspect of this
[25:55] okay
[25:56] i i support the uh
[25:59] the issue of public safety
[26:01] uh but as points have already been
[26:03] spoken uh i do believe there's other
[26:06] methods
[26:07] to uh
[26:09] to correct some of the problems probably
[26:11] not all a lot of it some of the issues
[26:13] we've had has been
[26:15] uh
[26:17] just uh human error
[26:19] and uh
[26:20] this could be could have to be spoken to
[26:22] with greater training but we don't have
[26:25] any perfect humans
[26:27] and i'd like to preface what i say with
[26:29] the fact that it's a difficult job this
[26:32] addressing
[26:33] and street naming ordinance it's a
[26:36] thankless job and and no disrespect to
[26:38] the people
[26:39] sat on the committee
[26:41] but i just don't feel that
[26:44] this is
[26:47] there's too much left to interpretation
[26:50] here and and like
[26:52] the
[26:53] president from the village of brooklyn
[26:55] said
[26:57] i trust the people's on the board right
[26:58] now
[26:59] to make the right decisions on on these
[27:02] issues
[27:03] but there's too
[27:04] much that isn't written into the
[27:07] ordinance
[27:08] options such as
[27:11] not changing the street name but
[27:13] changing the addresses from three digit
[27:15] addresses to four digit addresses and
[27:18] leaving the names the same
[27:21] i'm told that's an option
[27:23] however it's it doesn't say anywhere in
[27:25] the ordinance that that is an option
[27:28] so
[27:29] while the board
[27:30] the addressing board
[27:33] may be
[27:35] workable on these issues such as giving
[27:38] you an option to do that
[27:40] that's the current board
[27:42] the next board may say
[27:44] nowhere in the ordinance does it say
[27:46] you're allowed to do this so
[27:49] it's a difficult issue i understand that
[27:53] but there's a huge economic impact for
[27:56] the people i represent in district four
[27:59] and probably every area of the county
[28:02] and
[28:04] at this point in time i can't support
[28:06] this ordinance as written
[28:08] going forward i'd certainly
[28:10] not allow any duplicate names street
[28:13] names
[28:15] this duplicate sounding spree street
[28:17] names or duplicating addresses but
[28:20] if i go backwards and correct
[28:23] the many years of uh
[28:26] addressing and street naming we've done
[28:27] i can't support going back on that thank
[28:30] you mr chair first of all i'd like
[28:35] to publicly acknowledge uh what the
[28:38] committee consists of
[28:40] the original adoption by the board of
[28:44] commission for street naming and address
[28:46] ordinance
[28:48] placed on this committee on the original
[28:51] committee
[28:53] the following individuals
[28:57] two copies here
[29:04] again going back to 2006.
[29:09] the committee will consist of the
[29:10] following individuals a jackson county
[29:12] commissioner
[29:13] county clerk road commissioner
[29:16] representative from the u.s postal
[29:18] office 911 central dispatch county
[29:22] jackson county gis and the affected
[29:25] governmental unit
[29:27] the new ordinance the new proposed
[29:29] revised ordinance
[29:31] has everything
[29:33] again similar with the exception of
[29:36] adding
[29:38] the chair of the jackson county township
[29:40] supervisor association so again serving
[29:44] on this committee would be
[29:45] one county commissioner county clerk
[29:48] register of deed
[29:50] representative from the township
[29:52] supervisors association
[29:54] a county jdot employee
[29:57] u.s postal service 911 central dispatch
[30:00] and county gis coordinator so
[30:02] understanding that's the committee
[30:05] those are the individuals that are going
[30:06] to review any issues that come up
[30:09] if issues come up and that knowledgeable
[30:12] and informed committee
[30:15] make decisions that constituents believe
[30:18] are not in their best interest
[30:21] i have the utmost respect for all of
[30:23] those of you that live on main street in
[30:26] jackson county or michigan avenue or
[30:29] jackson street
[30:31] those are issues to be discussed
[30:35] if this ordinance is not written
[30:37] correctly then that needs then the
[30:39] ordinance needs to be modified and those
[30:42] suggestions will be taken by the
[30:43] committee
[30:44] but to sit here and say the ordinance
[30:47] isn't good i don't like the five hundred
[30:49] dollars it costs too much
[30:51] that goes back to the original ordinance
[30:53] that was written on july 18 2006.
[30:58] so to say that the ordinance isn't good
[31:01] the ordinance is the ordinance and that
[31:03] is in place right now so i think we can
[31:05] all agree i think we need to find some
[31:08] common ground here
[31:10] we know that modifications need to be
[31:12] done
[31:14] what are the modifications that this
[31:16] board would like to see
[31:18] what places can we move forward with
[31:21] do we see that
[31:25] addresses that are out of sequence are
[31:27] our priority
[31:29] do we see that private roads that have
[31:32] the same name as the road that they are
[31:34] coming off of are a priority
[31:37] again that is the information that i
[31:39] believe the committee would like to see
[31:41] and have and
[31:42] easily could move forward with in a
[31:45] collaborative manner
[31:50] commercial
[31:52] um
[31:54] to address one issue you can't put every
[31:56] single scenario that might arise in an
[32:00] ordinance
[32:01] i mean you can't you can't think of them
[32:04] and you can't put them in there because
[32:06] once you put them in there
[32:07] you have no choice but to absolutely
[32:10] follow that you have to have some
[32:12] flexibility to make the thing functional
[32:15] um
[32:18] the the numbering sequence
[32:23] is terrible i mean you got
[32:26] fedex trucks and ups trucks running up
[32:28] and down the road trying to find people
[32:31] i mean they pull into our yard all the
[32:32] time wanting to know how where the next
[32:34] number
[32:36] next door neighbor is that's two miles
[32:38] down the road when the numbers start
[32:39] over again i mean you get there's common
[32:41] sense things that need to be taken care
[32:43] of
[32:45] um
[32:45] some of the things i heard tonight might
[32:50] and and i know i'm not on the committee
[32:52] and maybe it wasn't thought of before
[32:53] was
[32:54] maybe businesses
[32:57] need to be handled differently than
[32:59] residences
[33:03] a business is
[33:05] should be
[33:07] more well known to
[33:09] the delivery people and the ones
[33:11] providing services than
[33:13] some of the individuals
[33:15] that
[33:18] live on a private road that doesn't have
[33:20] a name
[33:21] so i
[33:27] mr rice
[33:30] thank you mr chairman
[33:33] um i also appreciate everybody that got
[33:35] up and spoke tonight
[33:37] whether it be pro con
[33:39] is not the issue uh
[33:41] um you had something to say and i
[33:43] appreciate you saying it
[33:45] um
[33:47] what i do want to comment though is on
[33:49] uh
[33:50] today i write a today i read an article
[33:54] and uh
[33:56] in that article the statement was
[34:00] and it questioned if the policy in this
[34:03] case of course we're talking about this
[34:04] ordinance question if the policy wasn't
[34:07] being
[34:08] initiated due to inept training
[34:12] and inept employees at the county level
[34:16] i find this to be wrong and in poor
[34:18] taste let me comment further
[34:22] first
[34:24] consumer's power
[34:25] had
[34:26] the task of street addresses in the
[34:28] first place
[34:30] they didn't want anything to do with it
[34:32] they screwed it up it didn't work
[34:35] so in 2006
[34:37] county puts together an ordinance
[34:40] the townships have the responsibility to
[34:44] deal with the addresses streets
[34:48] except for a couple exceptions
[34:51] the scope of work was not completed
[34:55] now
[34:56] jackson county from my perspective
[35:03] not only
[35:05] is obligated to do this
[35:07] but if we're going to follow our
[35:09] strategic priorities
[35:11] and public safety being number two has
[35:14] been number one for years
[35:16] if we're truly gonna follow
[35:18] that as a strategic priority
[35:20] then that's what we need to do
[35:23] anybody that's been out there as a
[35:25] police officer anybody that's been out
[35:26] there on a campaign trail anybody's been
[35:28] better first responder anybody that's
[35:30] just went into a neighborhood to find an
[35:33] address
[35:36] many many times you can't find it
[35:39] and i realize there's technology down
[35:41] the road there's this and that
[35:44] but the fact is
[35:46] this is a responsibility that's been put
[35:48] on but in our labs because the work
[35:50] wasn't done before
[35:52] and those are my comments thank you
[35:58] any other commissioner comments
[36:03] you have your
[36:04] notes from the board of commissioners
[36:07] we wait for the december study session
[36:09] correct
[36:12] okay
[36:24] if
[36:27] this isn't something that the county
[36:29] just
[36:30] fought up and said oh we need this
[36:32] ordinance there's a state law that says
[36:35] that the counties have
[36:36] the authority to go ahead
[36:38] and
[36:40] for public safety make
[36:44] ordinance
[36:47] we're looking for legal clarification on
[36:49] that dave
[36:50] to make sure that we've got it
[36:53] okay what was it it's listed in the
[36:55] original ordinance so i okay
[36:58] did you want to comment phil
[37:01] i i could think of one more
[37:04] we're talking public safety
[37:06] but
[37:07] one more scenario
[37:08] that that's gonna happen because of
[37:12] humans being imperfect
[37:14] and that's
[37:16] people whether it be police car
[37:19] ambulance uh fire department vehicle
[37:23] dispatch gonna say
[37:25] something like
[37:27] cooper street
[37:29] everybody remembers where cooper street
[37:30] used to be
[37:32] and it's been changed and
[37:34] we're gonna get a police car or a safety
[37:37] public safety vehicle
[37:40] because if you grew up in the area
[37:42] and you know where all the roads are you
[37:44] know all the names
[37:45] it's gonna be a big learning curve to
[37:49] erase that out of your mind
[37:52] and go to the newly changed name
[37:55] and
[37:56] i could see a lot of uh
[37:58] emergency dispatch calls
[38:01] going in the wrong direction because
[38:02] that's where the road used to be and uh
[38:06] i say we gotta
[38:08] work more towards the technology end of
[38:10] it
[38:10] and try to eliminate the human error
[38:12] because this will open the window to
[38:15] probably
[38:16] several years of human error until
[38:18] google map maps and such catch up with
[38:21] uh
[38:22] with the times
[38:23] and then the street changes
[38:28] question alexander
[38:30] before we meet for study session i'm
[38:32] getting two varied pieces of information
[38:36] very knowledgeable and resourceful
[38:38] people that i respect have given me the
[38:40] information that when an individual
[38:42] calls on a cell phone
[38:45] that that location of that cell phone
[38:48] is then
[38:49] displayed
[38:50] on the screen at dispatch center
[38:55] however when i'm asking other
[38:57] individuals who again are very
[38:59] knowledgeable i am being told that the
[39:01] location is not that of the cell phone
[39:04] it's that of the cell tower and that the
[39:07] fcc has not mandated that it's the
[39:10] actual location and will not come 2018
[39:14] it will give more information closer to
[39:16] it but i think that's a critical
[39:18] question here we need to ask so we're
[39:21] picking up the phone and we're calling
[39:22] 9-1-1 on our cell phone can we make the
[39:24] assumption that they know where we're at
[39:26] based on where i'm at with my cell tower
[39:29] because that to me is a critical piece
[39:31] of information that we would need to
[39:32] have so i would like clarification on
[39:35] that please
[39:36] mr elwell
[39:39] well knowing that we just spent what
[39:42] million dollars on our dispatch center i
[39:44] would think that we have the most
[39:45] up-to-date equipment on it
[39:47] but prior to the meeting tonight i went
[39:49] to the verizon wireless website and
[39:52] looked up their frequently asked
[39:53] questions and i'll read a
[39:55] very brief portion of it it says we also
[39:57] provide peace apps public safety
[39:59] answering points
[40:00] with what's known as enhanced 911 or
[40:03] e911 service
[40:05] where psaps have upgraded their
[40:07] equipment
[40:08] e911 automatically provides call takers
[40:11] with the mobile phone number the cell
[40:13] site and sector and the estimated
[40:16] latitude and longitude
[40:18] location of the 9-1-1 caller if the psap
[40:22] is capable of receiving it i have to
[40:24] believe that ours is when i drilled down
[40:27] a little further in the comments to see
[40:28] how close it was
[40:30] it estimated between 50 and 150 meters
[40:34] 50 meters being 164 feet
[40:37] i would think that's close enough to
[40:38] figure out where somebody's at
[40:40] and that's off the verizon website
[40:47] any other commissioner comments
[40:56] seeing none again
[40:58] please keep getting with the committee
[41:01] scott aims to get questions answered and
[41:03] share stuff with commissioners as you
[41:05] are concerned or your commissioners
[41:08] and we'll talk more about it at december
[41:10] study session
[41:18] as chairman of the board i'd like to at
[41:20] this time to recognize commissioner
[41:22] sarah lightner who's been requested to
[41:24] serve on the judiciary and public safety
[41:27] committee for mac
[41:29] and i would have hoped to get the
[41:32] board's endorsement
[41:33] of that
[41:34] entertain a motion please
[41:37] we have a motion and support
[41:39] any comments
[41:41] seeing none
[41:42] all in favor
[41:45] proposed
[41:46] be noted 8-0
[41:48] thank you sarah
[41:52] we've now arrived at the second
[41:54] opportunity for public comment
[41:56] is there any public comment
[42:04] seeing none
[42:07] any commissioner comments
[42:11] mr duckham
[42:14] yes i'd like to thank the uh
[42:16] representatives from the village of
[42:18] brooklyn columbia township napoleon
[42:20] township but norville township
[42:22] for taking the time to come up here
[42:24] tonight nasty weather slippery roads
[42:27] to express your viewpoints and concerns
[42:30] on this ordinance
[42:32] i i believe we we need we got to do
[42:34] something but i just don't feel this is
[42:36] ready yet and
[42:38] i i appreciate you coming up with your
[42:39] comments and concerns thank you
[42:48] any other commissioner comments
[42:53] seeing or hearing none we have no closed
[42:54] session a reminder reminder from the
[42:57] chair that the december tuesday night
[42:59] meeting will be starting at 5 pm
[43:03] be aware of that
[43:06] seeing no other business to come before
[43:08] the board we are adjourned
[43:12] you