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Alright, the

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time is 3 0 1. Welcome to the fifth regular meeting of the jackson county legislature.

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it's monday, march 2nd, and we are in the legislative as casey legislative

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assembly area. Uh, let's do roll call. Anderson. Here.

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peyton. Here smith. Present. Husky.

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present franklin. Here. Mcgee

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lauer smith. Here.

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um, um, we have seven

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present. Two absent. And then did,

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did, um, legislator lauer contact you? Uh, not to my knowledge

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nor legislator mcgee. She sent us an a legislator at lauer's

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aid, sent us an email and asked that she be excused. All right. For this

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weekend, len. Okay. She in it. Uh, seven present. One excused.

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one absent. Thank you. Uh, is there a motion to approve the journal? So move

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second. Uh, any opposed? Well, the

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clerk, oh, I'm sorry. Um, it appears, aye have it

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as do indeed. Have it. Um, all right. Uh, will the clerk please

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read 2, 2 1 8 5. Do we wanna do the p oh, I'm sorry. Yeah,

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I guess we can do the pledge. Uh, legislator smith, vice chair. Will you lead

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us in the pledge of allegiance? Sure. Taken off the rest

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I pledge allegiance in student flag of the united states of america,

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and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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god, individual with liberty and justice for all.

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all right, so for those who are here to testify, I just want to do one, um,

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courtesy resolution first, and then we'll move into the public hearing. So, uh, will the clerk please read

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resolution 2, 2 1 8 5,

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I believe honoring ms. Gwendolyn

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grant during women's history month introduced by donna peyton. Okay.

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uh, is there a motion to adopt? So moved. So moved. Second. Uh,

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madam clerk, please call the roll. Anderson.

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yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes. Husky?

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yes. Franklin? Yes. Mcgee

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flower smith? Yes. Abca?

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yes. Seven. Yes. One absent. One excused

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legislator. Peyton,

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where's the microphone? Yeah, I,

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oh, it was right in front of me. I'm sorry. I didn't know.

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. That's unusual. Thank you.

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it is such a privilege and an honor to recognize

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gwendolyn grant who serves as president and ceo of the urban league

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of greater kansas city, becoming the first woman to lead the organization

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in. Its more than a hundred year history. And

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ms. Grant is a nationally respected civil civic leader

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whose commitment to civil rights, social justice, public safety,

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and equitable opportunity has strengthened the urban league's role as a

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leading regional voice on workforce development, educational

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equity, health disparity, and po policy

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reform. It was during the covid-19 pandemic that ms. Grant

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mobilized public, private, and philanthropic partners to meet

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urgent community needs, expanding food access,

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digital connectivity, and support for black-owned businesses.

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and ms. Grant will have the urban league police accountability task force

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exposing harmful policing practices within the kansas city police department

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and prompting a formal request for us department of justice patterns

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and practices investigation. Ms. Grandfield, a landmark

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lawsuit, challenging missouri's mandate that kansas city

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fund a state control police department elevating national attention

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to the city's lack of local control. And her leadership has

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further affirmed, was further affirmed when

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the urban league received a $1 million unrestricted grant gift

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from philanthropist mckenzie scott, enabling

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expanded services and organizational stability. Ms. Grant

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continues to shape public safety and civic reform through

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her service with the urban summit, save kc, the

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urban council and national urban league advisory bodies.

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and we know her to be a respected columnist for the

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call. And civic reform happens when she speaks

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up. Her service is to the community is

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immeasurable, and it is such an honor

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to present her with this resolution today. Be

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resolved that the county legislature of jackson county, missouri honors and

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commends gwendolyn grant for her extraordinary leadership,

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unwavering advocacy and transformative impact on the

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greater kansas city area and beyond.

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congratulations.

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thank you legislator peyton, and to all

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of the legislators, uh, chairman of barca. And to everyone

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here, I just wanna say thank you so much for this honor.

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I'm truly blessed to have had this opportunity to serve kansas

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city and all of the people that the urban league works to

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support, to fight for racial equity and social justice.

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I accept this honor on behalf of the talented team that supports the work of

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the urban league. We have a strong and talented staff and a highly

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committed board and all of the women and other civil rights

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leaders on whose shoulders I stand. Thank you so much for this

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honor. I'm truly blessed. I am truly touched, and I

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will continue to do the work that I have been called to do. Thank you.

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you. Are good. Actually, you might need it for

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over there. You need it again? No, that's good.

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alright. We will now move into our public hearing processes. Uh,

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I'll ask my staff if you would come back to grab these ones. If you have not already

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signed up to speak, you must be, um, pre-sign up to speak. Uh,

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I believe, uh, madam clerk, we at least need, uh, city of location of where

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you reside. Um, in addition to the information that's provided, um,

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our chief of staff gen man here is gonna carry out, um, another

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signature block right there. If you want to sign up to speak, please do so. Um,

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before we get to the end, we will do both ordinances one at a time.

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um, and do me a favor and tell me if you're speaking, uh, for or against when

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you come up. Um, and we will take it in that way. So, um,

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hearings. Thank you madam clerk. If you'll join us and you

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get to sit next to our wonderful county executive here while you speak, make sure you please speak

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in, uh, speaking to the microphone, um, and make sure that

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it is on and ready to go so that we can, uh, have those

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who are listening online, also hear the legislation or

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let hear your testimony. Uh, so at this time, the kind of legislature will hold a

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public hearing on ordinance 60 50 prohibiting law enforcement officers from concealing

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their faces or badges during performance of their official duties and establishing

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penalties and exemptions. We will also then hear on ordinance 6 0 6 1

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prohibiting all permits and zoning approvals for non county or municipal government owned detention

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facilities. So first we will start with 60 50. We

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have before us, um, ms. Ingrid

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flags poller, I'm sorry, when I butcher your names. So, uh,

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ingrid, if you'll join us, um, question on process. Yes, mr. Chair. Uh, we need

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to have them sworn in that, um, I was also gonna ask,

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are we, um, gonna hear from somebody in favor of and

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then opposed to kind of go back and forth? Unfortunately, I don't have that information in front of me

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to do that. So we're just gonna read straight down the list and speaking to process. Yep.

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is there a time limit? Um, yeah. We'll

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do two minute times and I'll ask that, uh, clerk, if you, one of the clerk staff

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will execute a timer for us, please. And are we going to

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request that people not be repetitive if the same testimonies already been provided?

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uh, I'll let people say what they want for their two minutes. Um, so that's what I'll, I'll

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stick to there. Ah, thank you mr. Executive. Um,

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so with that said, uh, clerk's office, you all good with the timer?

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two minutes. Uh, and again, if you will, when you stand up to join us,

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um, madam clerk, can we call those who are gonna testify and swear

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'em in, I guess? Okay. So that we have that official process

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as well. So if you plan to testify today on ordinance 60 50 or 60 61,

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please stand up and raise your right hand.

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do you swear under the penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to give in the matter and issue is

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the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help me. God.

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thank you all. All right, well, welcome up ingrid flags. Poer glass

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poer. Sorry if I'm mispronouncing that. Is there an ingrid?

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all right, we'll move on to charlotte turgen.

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no, charlotte. All right. Beverly harvey. This

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is fun. . Okay, I'm sorry. Which

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one is this one? . So 60 50 is the mask,

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uh, ordinance. Mask, yep. You wanted me to tell where I'm

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from? Yeah, just tell, yeah. If you join us here at the testifying witnesses

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side and tell us at least where, what city you're, you reside in.

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yeah. And what's your name? Beverly harvey. I'm with

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indivisible, uh, here in kansas city.

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and probably if I didn't tell you who I was, you wouldn't know,

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right? You wouldn't know who prove the point. Why? Because

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I'm word enough. We can't even, speaking of the,

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I just wanted to prove a point there that when people wear a mask, you can't tell who

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they are. All right. So the only people

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who wear masks are people who are committing crimes who do not want to be identified.

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let me repeat. The only people who wear masks are people who are committing

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crimes who do not want to be identified. Why do they not want to be identified?

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because they know or they are committing a crime. Trump has created an

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armed gestapo. He's doing exactly what hitler did in the 1930s.

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pick an enemy and blame them for everything that is wrong or bad. That is called scapegoating.

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after world war ii, hitler began to blame the jews for after world

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war I. Hitler began to blame the jews for the economic and

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political problems that of the day. And we all know how that turned out. We

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all know that illegal immigrants make up a very small number of the population, and

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even a smaller number of illegal aliens are criminals. So we all

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know that is an excuse to blame and create hate. Here we are

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debating on whether a gestapo should or should not wear a mask. What we should

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be talking about is why we are even allowing ice trump's gestapo

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into our cities. We've all seen the horror of what ice agents bring.

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they murder people, they beat people up, they maim them, they spray pepper spray them,

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they tear gas them. They harass american citizens. They

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illegally enter people's homes and businesses, and they kidnap children and their

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parents. They ship them off. God knows where.

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and then most recently dropped off an elderly blind man after he was

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released from their custody, custody, who was not an illegal immigrant at

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a location far from his home, late at night, at a location that was closed,

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and then lied about it later because the man was found dead soon after being dropped

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off. So why should ice agents not wear masks? The question should

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be why are we allowing the gestapo in our city? Let's be real. Immigrants

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are not the problem. Trump and the gestapo are the people who support

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trump are the problem. People have been brainwashed by fox news and others. They

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feed lies to the american public. Trump is a monster. He lies, he cheats, he steals.

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he is a racist, a misogynist, a pedophile. He is the best example of what

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the most horrific human can be. We are all immigrants of this nation.

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unless you are native american, you are a descendant of an immigrant mr. Chair.

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if the city council allow ice trump's gestapo to wear masks, you are just as evil

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as he is. I should be banned from kansas city in the surrounding area.

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time limit. No respected. Thank you.

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we'll, welcome up claudia toman.

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claudia toman,

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please again, look out for the timer so we can stop you so I don't have to reign

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everyone in, please. Okay. Are you

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starting it? Tell me when to start as soon as you start off. Yep. Clock.

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um, well, somebody needs

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to say something about, um, all the lies that we just heard because we were,

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we swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. But in fact, can

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you tell us what city you're from? Oh, I'm sorry. Kansas city, missouri. Thank you.

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um, much of what, uh, the, the young lady who just spoke was

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a lie, especially what she said about donald trump. And, and I take exception to

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it. But here, we're here to talk about the mass. And

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one of the other things she said that was in fact correct, is that the pe people

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who are committing crimes and don't want anyone to know who they are, are

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criminals. And during the biden administration, during the pandemic, we

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saw, um, hundreds of people, if not thousands,

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committing crimes all over the country and wearing masks.

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they were wearing masks, supposedly because there was a pandemic. But anyone

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who knows anything about biology knows that you don't get a virus

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from being outside in the open air in, uh, a

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dispersed, um, area. You get that when you're, uh,

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in, uh, small areas when, when you're, uh,

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in densely populated areas and closed environments.

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um, but they have created, particularly during

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the biden administration when, um, over two,

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uh, over 25 million people were led into this

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country, and in fact, encouraged to come into this country and sometimes even

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flown into this country and around this country by our government,

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supposedly our government, although clearly it's not. Um,

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and they were given all kinds of advantages. And

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basically what was done was that we admitted the enemy

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into our homes. And it is, and now

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the government is trying to rectify the situation and

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get the invading army out. These are murderers, these are pedophiles.

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these are horrible, horrible, many of them horrible, horrible people.

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they are, are gangs and, uh, they raped and murdered

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time. Okay, margaret,

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how, how this,

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okay. Thank you. Yep.

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my name is margaret. How I live in mission, kansas. I'm

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here to speak today as a resident of the greater kansas city metro.

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I'm speaking to advocate for banning face masks on

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ice agents and anyone who enforces laws. No one,

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even criminals, who, by the way, are supposed to be innocent until

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proven guilty, should be confronted and detained

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by someone wearing military gear, carrying a gun, and wearing

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face covering. How are we to know any of us

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if we're being lawfully detained, if they cannot be identified?

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is this a kidnapper, a law officer, someone else

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please vote to require ice agents to bear their faces, wear

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identification, and clearly define who they are and who they

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represent. Thank you very much.

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thank you for the clapping. I I wanna reign that in as well so that we can keep things moving as quickly as we

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can. Uh, dennis roland,

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good afternoon. My name is dennis roland. I'm a resident of

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jackson county in specifically kansas city, and in

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particular on addressing 6 0 5 oh, I, um,

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I like to offer a different perspective. Uh, I do support the, uh, uh,

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intention of, uh, banning mask in, uh, as

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the ordinance provides that, uh, during,

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uh, uh, performance of their official duties. However,

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I believe that the ordinance is problematic, at least as drafted,

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um, while I support the premises and goals.

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uh, the, uh, um,

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there's no language contained in either proposed ordinance in either

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in the ordinance itself that, uh, is,

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uh, where will it be codified, for example. And these are

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minor issues, and what code number will it be, uh, issued? And in

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6 0 5 oh, uh, has no language which provides for

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any financial penal punishment for, uh, the ordinance

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specifically says the purpose is to provide punishment, but the ordinance itself doesn't

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have it. That language in there, uh, there's no effective date

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of the, uh, second, whereas the purpose, uh,

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of concealing identities, unless a valid exemption applies, there's basically

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no definition of a valid exemption other than what you put in the ordinance.

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uh,

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the, uh,

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exemptions that you've, uh, applied seem to be

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limiting. So I believe it should, uh, contain language, which,

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uh, includes other

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potential, uh, incidents. And

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the other section where it says written documentation, I believe is

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also problematic time. Thank you, sir.

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um, well, one last comment. Uh, with all due respect, the ordinance

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hasn't been signed by the county counselor. It shouldn't even be up for consideration,

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but I do. Thank you, sir. I do support. Thank you. That's the time. Thank you.

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I do support the premise kenda to

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mcclain. Sorry if I'm missing the mispronouncing

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names here. Beautiful job

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for the record, it's ken toms mcclain. And I am opposed

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to this ordinance, our law enforcement city, sorry, tyler

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city, uh, kansas city, missouri jackson, jackson county.

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thank you. Uh, this ordinance is

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flawed in many respects, but predominantly law enforcement

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are allowed to wear masks when, if there are gas

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attacks, if there are other reasons. And these ice officers

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are simply doing a job. These laws are not new.

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these ice, these, uh, federal laws that they're enforcing have

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been around since many years, including under president obama.

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and they were used by him, president biden, many others. So this is nothing

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new. And therefore, the problem is

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that the anti-age ice protestors

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are using, if they see the face or

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if they see their badge number, they are doxing. These people, they are not only attacking

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the ice officers themselves, but they are going to their homes and causing

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disruption, and they're going into their children's schools and causing disruption.

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so it's a very dangerous job when they are simply enforcing

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federal law, which again, has been around a long time.

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this is nothing new. This is not the gestapo, this is a law en a valid

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law enforcement activity. These people are in the country illegally.

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they have been given a hearing. There's so that all of

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that is not disputed. These people have, the ice agents have a lawful reason

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to be in those communities, and they should not be fearing for their lives from

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all kinds of people that have nothing to do with the situation.

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so I would strongly urge you to vote against

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this. This is a very destructive thing. We do not want our law

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enforcement to be under attack by everyday citizens and people

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running into their community, near their homes and harassing them. That is totally

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unfair and bad. Thank you. Thank you.

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greg ellerman.

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thank you. My name is greg ellerman. I'm a, uh,

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I'm a resident, long-term resident of kansas city, missouri. I'm a retired

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clinical psychologist, and I'm in favor, I'm in favor of

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banning the wearing of masks in jackson county for

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law enforcement officers for the following reason.

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on the one hand, the mask officers are more anonymous,

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which can lead to less accountability

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and therefore greater aggression. On

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the other hand, the people may feel more dehumanized

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due to the masking, which also can lead to greater

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aggressiveness in response.

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in summary, in my opinion, masking of officers

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is likely related to greater chance of violence,

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whereas no masks is likely related

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to greater safety for officers and the

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people. Thank you.

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patricia parks.

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I'm patricia parks, a retired teacher from blue springs. And

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I was just coming and I wasn't going to speak, but then I thought, if I'm just sitting

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there, you won't know what I'm thinking. So here I am with nothing written down

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and I won't use two minutes. Everyone signed up to do that. But anyway, I'm

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very much against the mask for the reasons that a lot of people have already said here,

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and I don't need to go through 'em again. But I think it's very un-american

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for them to have these masks and hiding their identity. And besides that,

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they're poorly trained. I will add that, that's all I need to say. I'm

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definitely against it.

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joy rush.

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my name is joy rush. I live in blue springs, like patricia. I

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also didn't come prepared to speak. I have no prepared remarks. Um,

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however, I have been reading, and there is a lot of speaking

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about how we can't make a law in jackson county

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that supersedes what is federal law and the doxing

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situation. And in my humble opinion, even

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if the legislature would pass a resolution

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to forbid masks, which I would be in favor of, of the people

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of ice in jackson county, I think it's a

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symbolic thing that needs to be done. And the more

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government entities that do that symbol symbolism

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will make an effect at a nationwide level. And all

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of you gentlemen, ladies sitting here in the legislature,

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you all, none of you have on masks. You're all capable of being

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doxed. You're all capable of having somebody come to your house to do all

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these things that some of the people here mentioned previously. But you're here without

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masks. So why can't the people that we as

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taxpayers are paying to do the job of, and I'm not against

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enforcement, I'm just not for this type of enforcement.

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so I'm hoping you all will stand up and do, if nothing else

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symbolically say, jackson county is against

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masked men in our county. Thank you.

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david brock, urman,

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sorry about your name. Sure. I pronounced it. No, that's good enough. David broman.

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I'm, um, here in kansas city, missouri. Um, thanks for allowing us the

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opportunity to speak. Um, yeah,

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it's, you don't have to go very far

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to see, to find evidence of

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what a group of masked individuals, the effect that

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that has on a, on people in front of them. And,

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um, one of the primary

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purposes of law enforcement is to deescalate situations.

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and it seems that

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coming on a scene, take aside,

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I mean, setting aside extenuating circumstances or situations

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in which, um, clearly it might be necessary for law enforcement to

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use masks. Um, that's

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not what we're talking about. We're talking about these general, these large gatherings

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where, um, it seems that there's

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a default starting at an escalated point.

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and that tension,

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I mean, we see, we see the possibilities of what can happen and this, um,

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there's an opportunity here to stand

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up and do what we can to try and prevent

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bloodshed and violence in our cities that might be

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in our city, that could have possibly been avoided

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by, by a deescalated state. And,

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um, I don't

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think it takes a lot of common sense to see that. And I would echo our mayor's, um,

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sentiments on the detention center. I don't think we

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wanna be in the business of storing and shipping human beings

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time, especially in terrible situations. Thank you very much. Thank

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you

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sarah ferentz.

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um, my name is sarah farn and I live in kansas city,

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missouri. Um, I also am a college student. So,

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um, I wanna start off by pointing out how insane

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it is that we even have to be here today to try to do anything in our power

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to prevent mass individuals, um, in our, from terrorizing

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our community and our immigrant neighbors. Many times

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may I add without a warrant, it's right in front of our faces. Let's see it.

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um, when did it become okay to kidnap people without a warrant? If you're

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denying what is happening and can't realize that this is fascism, then I don't know what

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will. Um, the real criminals, pedophiles, and rapists

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are in the white house. Um,

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we must do everything in our power, um, to resist what is happening

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and the dismantling of our government. So I support banning masks

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for ice agents. The trump administration is destroying the country,

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and we must do anything in our power to show that what is happening is not okay. Even

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with ordinances like this. Um, even small things are

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making a point against fascism. Um, this is why I support banning,

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um, masks. Um, we must support the dem masking

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to show our humanity and our empathy for living, breathing

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human beings. This is beyond political, okay? So any

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small thing we can do to stand up and say, hey, this isn't okay, because we're

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all immigrants of this nation. If you're white, you weren't born here originally. You come from

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european immigrants. So I think we need to realize that. Thank you.

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antoine jennings.

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antoine jennings from blue springs, missouri. What about biden?

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this is not about biden. This is about where we are today in 2026.

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yes, president biden is retired. He's in delaware

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doing his thing. This is not about biden. This is not about obama. This is about

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donald trump. This is about this legislature. And the fact that the

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county executive is not sitting in here listening to these

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is because the county executive should be in here

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the end of the day. Whether not you vote on, he has to sign it,

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where is he? It's travesty.

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every single person's sitting up on there, you all voted into office,

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represent people. Whether or not this passes

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some court is immaterial. The simple

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fact of you passing this ordinance, it's gonna show the

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people that voted for you that you care about them.

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this is about the people. May I remind you, we, the

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people of the united states of america, a

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a more perfect union, every single one of you up there were, was elected

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for a reason. My expectation

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from my legislature, from my legislator who was not here,

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is that they would vote for because we

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the people, it,

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I don't see, uh, kansas city police department, independent police department,

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blue springs police department, we don't see them wearing masks.

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don't act like you care about children and about safety. When

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we have legislators getting killed and murdered at their

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homes, don't act like you care. What about humanity?

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this is not, this is not about democrat or republican. This is about humanity.

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this is not about documented undocumented.

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we rolled through two individuals at the beginning of this. I just wanna make sure if they are here

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and they did wanna speak, they have that opportunity. Ingrid fla poller,

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mr. Chairman, we have a video of this proceeding

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out here, so I was able to watch everything. I'm watching everybody's

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testimony, so thank you. Thank you for your comment, but I need to see you. You

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got, you got me. I need to see you. You got it. Because you work for me. I need to see you.

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you do. All right. Charlotte turin, just making

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sure. Okay. Anyone else that wants to speak on behalf of

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50 60? Okay. If you would sign in there. Um, and then just

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tell us your name and your city, um, as you,

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uh, you all, I think were here when you, when everyone was sworn in, correct?

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everyone was sworn in. Yes, sir. Yep.

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is kind my guess in the order that you've stood up there, please.

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all right. So just tell us your name, the city, and then go for it for you. Certainly. My name is rebecca

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oman. I live in kansas city, missouri. I would like to read a few statements

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from a recent court, um, settlement

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by, sorry. Federal

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judge joseph goodwin. The founders

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recognize that freedom is imperiled not only when government actions lack legal

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justification, but also when those actions are carried out by

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agents whose authority is unchecked and whose actions cannot

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be traced. When officers can wear a mask, fail

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to verify their credentials, refuse to disclose their names,

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00:35:59,225 --> 00:36:02,885
arrive in unmarked vehicle and neglect to provide

460
00:36:03,405 --> 00:36:06,325
a justification for their seizure of an individual.

461
00:36:07,625 --> 00:36:11,625
the constitutional protection that the framers envisioned has not

462
00:36:11,845 --> 00:36:14,635
just been corroded, it has been eviscerated.

463
00:36:16,075 --> 00:36:20,035
when officers can conceal their identity, the system effectively

464
00:36:21,325 --> 00:36:25,185
collapses. Individuals lack the information necessary to

465
00:36:25,405 --> 00:36:29,305
report misconduct for meaningful judicial review or

466
00:36:29,885 --> 00:36:33,515
internal investigation. Officers are thereby

467
00:36:34,325 --> 00:36:38,185
emboldened to exercise their power in an arbitrary and

468
00:36:38,405 --> 00:36:41,395
oppressive manner, and public trust is decimated.

469
00:36:44,075 --> 00:36:47,925
then he addresses imposters, who could just randomly pick people up

470
00:36:48,185 --> 00:36:52,035
off the street. Mask does

471
00:36:52,345 --> 00:36:56,205
one thing. It hides the face of the officer wearing it on a public

472
00:36:56,445 --> 00:37:00,045
highway, and a civil arrest of a person suspected of no crime.

473
00:37:01,065 --> 00:37:04,725
the only purpose served by hiding the officer's face is to prevent

474
00:37:05,085 --> 00:37:08,905
his identification and preventing identification serves

475
00:37:09,395 --> 00:37:13,075
only to eliminate accountability. A law enforcement

476
00:37:14,165 --> 00:37:17,965
practice whose sole operational effect is the elimination of accountability

477
00:37:19,265 --> 00:37:22,325
is not a safety measure. It is a constitutional deficiency

478
00:37:23,595 --> 00:37:27,305
wearing the name of one, and it goes on and on.

479
00:37:33,905 --> 00:37:37,445
and forgive me if this is not in the right order here. So is ashley morgan

480
00:37:38,195 --> 00:37:40,195
next, sir. Okay.

481
00:37:46,025 --> 00:37:49,255
thank you for oh, ashley morgan lee summit missouri.

482
00:37:50,545 --> 00:37:53,895
thank you for the opportunity to speak. I'm here to state my strong support

483
00:37:54,595 --> 00:37:58,245
for the jackson county mask ban. My position is informed both

484
00:37:58,795 --> 00:38:02,375
as, uh, by my work as an attorney, and by my lived experience as a woman.

485
00:38:03,255 --> 00:38:06,135
I understand professionally and personally how critically

486
00:38:07,455 --> 00:38:11,445
critical, uh, visibility and identifiability are to public safety. When

487
00:38:11,735 --> 00:38:15,415
individuals fully conceal their faces in public, it heightens the vulnerability

488
00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:19,655
that women already navigate every day. It is essential to

489
00:38:20,095 --> 00:38:23,775
remember that being unmasked has long been the standard on expected and public

490
00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:27,975
life. For many years, even ice officers conducted public

491
00:38:28,385 --> 00:38:32,175
operations without covering their faces. The recent

492
00:38:32,445 --> 00:38:36,365
move away from that transparency is a sharp break from established practice and

493
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:40,555
has created real risks. We are now seeing individuals in this area attempt

494
00:38:41,045 --> 00:38:45,035
to impersonate law enforcement, including federal agents to intimidate harm

495
00:38:45,505 --> 00:38:49,305
and abduct women. When faces are hidden, the public has no reliable way

496
00:38:49,525 --> 00:38:53,405
to distinguish legitimate authority from those who intend to exploit it.

497
00:38:54,205 --> 00:38:58,205
I do support law enforcement. I do not support them being masked. This is

498
00:38:58,325 --> 00:39:02,225
not a theoretical concern. It is a direct threat to public safety, allowing people to

499
00:39:02,445 --> 00:39:05,995
obscure their identity without cause. Undermines accountability, invites

500
00:39:06,495 --> 00:39:10,075
abuse and creates opportunities for bad actors to operate without consequence.

501
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:14,645
women in particular bear the brunt of that danger. The proposed mass

502
00:39:15,085 --> 00:39:18,315
ban does not impose a new bo burden. It restores a longstanding norm,

503
00:39:19,145 --> 00:39:23,025
one that supports safety, accountability, and trust in our public shared

504
00:39:23,545 --> 00:39:27,435
spaces. Visible identifiable presence is a basic expectation

505
00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:32,005
in any community that values order and public confidence. For these

506
00:39:32,165 --> 00:39:36,045
reasons, I strongly urge you firmly and without my reservation to support

507
00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:40,165
the mask, ban and uphold the principles of transparency and safety that our communities

508
00:39:40,685 --> 00:39:41,645
depend on. Thank you,

509
00:39:50,795 --> 00:39:54,125
paul. Sir. Thank you .

510
00:39:58,425 --> 00:40:02,245
mr. Chairman, members board, thank you for, uh, uh, allowing me to speak. Paul salvi,

511
00:40:02,485 --> 00:40:06,405
south kansas city, a rise in opposition to the band measure. Uh, the reason

512
00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:10,405
I rise in opposition. Why are they wearing masks? Well, they're under a force protection measure. They're

513
00:40:10,685 --> 00:40:14,665
under clear and present danger from insurgents dallas sniper attack on

514
00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:18,045
'em. They're using vehicle ramming on these agents, on these police officers.

515
00:40:19,065 --> 00:40:23,005
that's why they're wearing masks. Secondly, in the army, when we staff an action and regulation,

516
00:40:23,525 --> 00:40:27,245
that staffing action has to go through a concurrence, non concurrence. And a comment.

517
00:40:28,145 --> 00:40:32,085
my question is, has this ordinance been through the jttf, the us attorney for

518
00:40:32,285 --> 00:40:36,185
the western district of missouri, the sheriff's department, the chief of police at

519
00:40:36,405 --> 00:40:40,285
the kansas city police department, us marshals and special agent in charge of the fbi, because

520
00:40:40,695 --> 00:40:44,485
those coalition forces have to know what this ordinance means.

521
00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:48,925
secondly, what's the rules of engagement? If a deputy from sheriff forte comes up on

522
00:40:49,165 --> 00:40:52,885
a, uh, uh, federal police officer in the middle of a mission, is he gonna use deadly

523
00:40:53,245 --> 00:40:56,765
force? They're both armed, highly trained, uh, quality weapon systems.

524
00:40:58,125 --> 00:41:01,915
I know you're shaking your head, but I've seen it happen overseas. When coalition forces have

525
00:41:02,265 --> 00:41:05,885
an adverse effect, will this turn a coalition

526
00:41:06,495 --> 00:41:10,445
force of, uh, cooperation between law enforcement into adversarial, uh, condition?

527
00:41:11,795 --> 00:41:15,625
and then finally, I would just close with, um, if you guys pass this,

528
00:41:15,965 --> 00:41:19,865
uh, both these ordinances, will you go on record to guarantee that any american

529
00:41:19,985 --> 00:41:23,985
citizen, whether they live in jackson county or visit, will not be harmed or

530
00:41:24,105 --> 00:41:26,665
killed by an illegal criminal alien. Thank you for your time,

531
00:41:33,435 --> 00:41:34,345
deborah par,

532
00:41:38,265 --> 00:41:40,015
sorry to have you go up and down.

533
00:41:52,255 --> 00:41:56,195
my name is deborah par and I live in kansas city, missouri.

534
00:41:57,375 --> 00:42:00,875
and if I was approached by these people in totally

535
00:42:01,845 --> 00:42:05,235
black outfits masked with no identification,

536
00:42:06,755 --> 00:42:10,405
I would think I was being kidnapped. And I would either try to fight

537
00:42:11,055 --> 00:42:14,895
or run. And this has happened to many of the

538
00:42:15,115 --> 00:42:18,715
people. Ice is nothing but trump's private

539
00:42:19,385 --> 00:42:22,865
army, and they are like

540
00:42:23,415 --> 00:42:27,095
the brown shirts of hitler. But hitler's brown shirts

541
00:42:27,735 --> 00:42:30,865
did not wear masks, and they wore in uniform.

542
00:42:32,335 --> 00:42:35,205
and the people, they are arresting illegal immigrants.

543
00:42:36,385 --> 00:42:40,255
it's a mist of being to be in this country, not

544
00:42:40,875 --> 00:42:44,755
a felony. And many of these people have lived here

545
00:42:45,095 --> 00:42:48,765
for years and years, and they have paid taxes.

546
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:53,895
they have paid social security, which they will never get

547
00:42:54,345 --> 00:42:58,255
back, but they are keeping social security to

548
00:42:58,475 --> 00:43:01,665
be functional. I totally support

549
00:43:02,595 --> 00:43:04,635
banning masks. Thank you.

550
00:43:12,815 --> 00:43:13,255
shelly rogers.

551
00:43:24,895 --> 00:43:27,305
hi, my name is shelly rogers. I live in pleasant hill,

552
00:43:29,135 --> 00:43:32,635
and I'm, I'm here because I,

553
00:43:33,535 --> 00:43:36,925
the idea of masked men is petrifying.

554
00:43:38,435 --> 00:43:41,485
I have never thought about needing to carry

555
00:43:43,015 --> 00:43:46,635
or be armed until I started seeing our government running around

556
00:43:47,845 --> 00:43:51,825
fully masked where, like, how beverly

557
00:43:52,685 --> 00:43:56,535
first introduced you did not, you couldn't see anything of

558
00:43:56,775 --> 00:44:00,735
her. The idea, I was just seeing, thank goodness we

559
00:44:00,955 --> 00:44:04,915
have people recording because we get to actually control the

560
00:44:05,115 --> 00:44:08,655
narrative when we are recording and we've watched plenty

561
00:44:09,175 --> 00:44:12,675
of people getting kidnapped, no identifying information,

562
00:44:13,415 --> 00:44:17,275
and they go into a car and there are people that are still not being

563
00:44:17,705 --> 00:44:21,455
located. That the idea of being snatched by an

564
00:44:22,555 --> 00:44:25,525
a masked group of people is petrifying

565
00:44:27,055 --> 00:44:30,755
and does not make us safe. It, it literally makes me want to

566
00:44:31,145 --> 00:44:35,005
be armed. Just the idea of our government just being able to snatch

567
00:44:35,325 --> 00:44:38,845
people up with no rhyme or reason and just because

568
00:44:41,745 --> 00:44:44,795
we don't like trump or whatever, it's just, it's,

569
00:44:48,115 --> 00:44:51,905
it's so un-american. It's absolutely un-american to,

570
00:44:52,265 --> 00:44:55,795
uh, just keep us fearful

571
00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:00,765
of our own government. I don't, I don't fear the immigrants. I,

572
00:45:01,005 --> 00:45:04,125
I fear my government. That's who I fear is my government.

573
00:45:05,105 --> 00:45:08,945
you know, if I could get my passport and go to a country that actually gives us

574
00:45:09,265 --> 00:45:13,205
rights, that actually looks at us as human beings instead of caring

575
00:45:13,515 --> 00:45:16,685
more about what billionaires care about, you know,

576
00:45:17,565 --> 00:45:20,615
I don't know. I'd like to see america be great again,

577
00:45:22,265 --> 00:45:24,085
but ain't gonna be, well we got trump.

578
00:45:29,925 --> 00:45:33,805
benjamin rosler did you say benjamin?

579
00:45:34,065 --> 00:45:34,065
yep.

580
00:45:41,985 --> 00:45:45,695
thank you for having this public hearing for the citizens. My name's benjamin

581
00:45:46,055 --> 00:45:49,775
resler. I live in the historic northeast kansas city in a neighborhood called pendleton

582
00:45:50,255 --> 00:45:53,815
heights. There's a reason that these hearings are held in public because

583
00:45:54,755 --> 00:45:58,515
the business of government is supposed to be done in the sunlight. Uh,

584
00:45:58,915 --> 00:46:02,895
and it's for that reason that we're asking that law enforcement identify themselves. And I think

585
00:46:02,975 --> 00:46:06,675
that's pretty straightforward, where everyone, wherever anyone

586
00:46:07,195 --> 00:46:11,055
stands on the issue of immigration, professional

587
00:46:12,035 --> 00:46:15,755
law enforcement who work for a legitimate government agency

588
00:46:17,055 --> 00:46:20,725
identify themselves. Pirates conceal

589
00:46:21,225 --> 00:46:24,085
their identities, thieves

590
00:46:25,785 --> 00:46:29,535
kidnappers, conceal their identities. Professional

591
00:46:30,515 --> 00:46:34,175
law enforcement wear badges and they provide identification

592
00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:38,935
that has an identifying number and their face and the name

593
00:46:39,195 --> 00:46:42,855
of the agency they work for. And they also come with things like

594
00:46:43,695 --> 00:46:47,615
judicial warrants signed by judges. This is

595
00:46:47,815 --> 00:46:51,815
very simple. This is a matter of how law functions and how it's supposed

596
00:46:51,935 --> 00:46:55,915
to serve the people. Now, of course, anyone can

597
00:46:56,135 --> 00:46:59,975
understand why an officer might say on a motorcycle, choose to wear something

598
00:47:00,375 --> 00:47:03,455
to protect their face from the wind in the cold, as has been brought up.

599
00:47:04,435 --> 00:47:08,055
and we all know very well that the brave first responders who were law enforcement

600
00:47:08,455 --> 00:47:12,315
during the covid pandemic were especially at risk to exposure. And

601
00:47:12,535 --> 00:47:15,535
so, of course, one would understand why they might wanna wear some kind of protective

602
00:47:16,955 --> 00:47:20,535
device to protect themselves from catching or transmitting

603
00:47:21,255 --> 00:47:24,845
pathogens, but surely we can come to a middle ground between

604
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:30,245
they're allowed to do that and they're allowed to not identify themselves

605
00:47:31,305 --> 00:47:34,985
at all on the matter

606
00:47:35,325 --> 00:47:39,025
of the detention facility. It's incredibly inappropriate

607
00:47:40,645 --> 00:47:44,625
to try to take a building. Ms. Rosler, sorry, I have to interrupt you on that one. We have to do that one

608
00:47:44,905 --> 00:47:48,785
separately. Okay. Apologies. Jason, thank you for the correction. I'd like to comment on that as well.

609
00:47:48,975 --> 00:47:48,975
time,

610
00:47:55,725 --> 00:47:58,645
uh, looks like deborah hayes is our last one for,

611
00:48:00,245 --> 00:48:03,345
um, the mask ordinance 60 50.

612
00:48:06,255 --> 00:48:10,145
thanks. I'm hayes

613
00:48:10,495 --> 00:48:14,435
and I live in kansas city, missouri. I do have one question. Um,

614
00:48:14,655 --> 00:48:18,375
first I think maybe I haven't read it, clarified it enough, but does this include

615
00:48:18,985 --> 00:48:22,815
local, county and state and federal

616
00:48:24,475 --> 00:48:27,835
police that we're talking about? Or are we just focusing on ice?

617
00:48:28,915 --> 00:48:32,695
or are we talking about kansas city, missouri? Uh, I'm a, that's

618
00:48:32,975 --> 00:48:36,635
a, I can't answer unfortunately, a little confus then I have a statement. So can

619
00:48:37,115 --> 00:48:40,615
can anybody clarify that? We will, but it has be later. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you.

620
00:48:41,675 --> 00:48:44,765
um, I live in the west side, which is along southwest boulevard

621
00:48:45,795 --> 00:48:48,815
and we have a very, um, I've lived there for seven years

622
00:48:49,875 --> 00:48:53,275
and we have a wonderful community police,

623
00:48:54,075 --> 00:48:57,895
two policemen, chaco and john, who come to our neighborhood meetings.

624
00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:02,575
and the last time they came, they explained to us that they've always

625
00:49:02,895 --> 00:49:06,885
worked with ice in a very well

626
00:49:07,175 --> 00:49:11,165
runway where they have the warrants, they

627
00:49:11,455 --> 00:49:15,285
don't wear a mask, and, and they take care

628
00:49:15,595 --> 00:49:19,445
of what, if anybody is breaking the law, they

629
00:49:19,735 --> 00:49:23,575
will go. They don't crash into the doors or anything, but they, it's been going on

630
00:49:23,935 --> 00:49:27,355
for quite a while, believe it or not, that we have had ice

631
00:49:28,175 --> 00:49:32,135
officers come in and we have had people take it,

632
00:49:32,925 --> 00:49:36,205
they haven't worn masks, they've played by the rules, they

633
00:49:37,015 --> 00:49:40,935
followed all the laws, and so it's worked. And I

634
00:49:41,055 --> 00:49:44,695
don't think anybody, the west side is made up of mostly hispanic people.

635
00:49:45,555 --> 00:49:49,335
and I don't think, um, if there was, what is going on

636
00:49:49,715 --> 00:49:53,675
now, if that was what was happening, no one would want that at

637
00:49:53,895 --> 00:49:57,725
all. But the people who live in the neighborhood understand if people have

638
00:49:58,015 --> 00:50:01,915
really committed crimes, criminal crimes and

639
00:50:02,135 --> 00:50:05,695
having a warrant, then yes. But, um, I guess I'm just saying

640
00:50:06,615 --> 00:50:10,435
I feel for the officers that we have, because it's really made it hard for them to

641
00:50:10,655 --> 00:50:14,375
do their job. I think we ought to time. Okay. I just,

642
00:50:14,675 --> 00:50:18,425
um, I'm supporting the ban on the mask. Thank

643
00:50:18,975 --> 00:50:22,435
you. Alright, so

644
00:50:23,475 --> 00:50:27,270
at this point, uh, we have no more, uh, folks who would like to testify on, on ordinance

645
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,565
60 50. Um, just as a point of understanding, for those who are watching

646
00:50:31,685 --> 00:50:35,405
and listening, uh, we will take up the legislation and take up actions within that.

647
00:50:35,735 --> 00:50:39,405
we'll help define for some of the questions that were asked of us, uh, within that discussion,

648
00:50:40,185 --> 00:50:43,545
uh, as well as hear from general counsel, anyone else, uh, in regards to

649
00:50:44,395 --> 00:50:48,285
some of the other things that are brought up. So, um, if you have questions, ask them,

650
00:50:48,425 --> 00:50:52,305
but we can't an we can't answer them in that moment of your public hearing. So, uh,

651
00:50:52,525 --> 00:50:55,905
we'll move on to ordinance 6 0 6, 1 of the moratorium for,

652
00:50:56,665 --> 00:51:00,365
uh, ice detention facilities. So, uh, with that,

653
00:51:00,775 --> 00:51:03,665
sorry, I forgot. That's also my job. Uh, charlotte turgen?

654
00:51:07,735 --> 00:51:08,945
no, charlotte. All right. Beverly harvey.

655
00:51:21,225 --> 00:51:24,935
hello and thank you for, uh, letting everybody talk today. My name is beverly harvey.

656
00:51:26,335 --> 00:51:30,245
I, uh, live in independence, and I am the founder of indivisible, kansas city.

657
00:51:31,075 --> 00:51:34,895
so detention centers the year 2026, and here we are discussing detention

658
00:51:35,455 --> 00:51:39,415
centers, concentration camps, really, uh, these are not detention centers.

659
00:51:39,695 --> 00:51:43,375
they are concentration camps. We all see what ice agents do in public.

660
00:51:44,075 --> 00:51:48,065
it makes me sick to think of what they do behind closed doors,

661
00:51:49,115 --> 00:51:53,035
starve people, rape women, beat people, probably kill people. No

662
00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:57,015
one knows, as we have no idea what they do. And the

663
00:51:57,335 --> 00:52:01,335
question is, if trump wants to deport people, why does he need hundreds

664
00:52:01,815 --> 00:52:04,975
of concentration camps that will hold thousands of people?

665
00:52:05,985 --> 00:52:09,875
don't you find it odd that he says he wants to deport illegal immigrants, but

666
00:52:10,095 --> 00:52:13,975
instead he's actually building concentration camps that would be able to hold

667
00:52:14,615 --> 00:52:18,415
thousands of people? This does not pass the smell test. He is

668
00:52:18,785 --> 00:52:22,655
lying. Again, his goal is to rid american

669
00:52:23,245 --> 00:52:26,955
america criminals and drugs. His goal is to instill fear in

670
00:52:27,455 --> 00:52:31,335
americans, to divide america, to have a gestapo that can keep people from voting

671
00:52:31,765 --> 00:52:35,695
just like hitler did. Once he puts up this concentration cap, what comes next?

672
00:52:36,375 --> 00:52:40,335
crematoriums we see every day on tv and our, and our phones

673
00:52:40,645 --> 00:52:44,455
that anyone who goes against him or says anything negative about him, he goes

674
00:52:44,655 --> 00:52:48,245
after them. He wants to be a dictator. He wants to rule america.

675
00:52:49,195 --> 00:52:52,655
we as midwesterners know for our hard work and our upstanding values,

676
00:52:53,315 --> 00:52:57,085
having concentration camps in missouri, kansas, or anywhere in america, goes

677
00:52:57,375 --> 00:53:01,235
against every fiber of americans. Millions of women and

678
00:53:01,515 --> 00:53:04,855
men have sacrificed their lives and lives to protect this great nation.

679
00:53:05,555 --> 00:53:09,245
and yet, trump wants to defile america with his hatred, his gustapo,

680
00:53:10,715 --> 00:53:14,695
his concentration camps, and his wars in iran. If we follow

681
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,495
trump to have a concentration camp here in kansas city or missouri,

682
00:53:19,515 --> 00:53:23,415
or anywhere in the united states, then we do not deserve to be called american.

683
00:53:24,965 --> 00:53:28,705
started a war, another big distraction from the epstein files. The americans will die,

684
00:53:29,245 --> 00:53:32,785
thousands of others will die for what his ego, his desire to war.

685
00:53:33,385 --> 00:53:37,325
we cannot let this go. And building a concentration camp in kansas city would be

686
00:53:37,445 --> 00:53:41,365
disastrous. I beg you to stop to not allow the hatred to continue.

687
00:53:41,725 --> 00:53:42,025
I say, no.

688
00:53:48,035 --> 00:53:51,125
claudia truman. Claudia truman.

689
00:53:58,075 --> 00:54:01,035
I'm against the ban on mass and I am for the detention center.

690
00:54:02,235 --> 00:54:06,055
I'm sorry with it. Sorry. Scoot this back. Oh, okay. A little bit when you speak. It's

691
00:54:06,595 --> 00:54:10,495
too loud. Sorry. No, you're fine. Sorry to interrupt. Alright, we can start. Can we start again? Start your, yeah,

692
00:54:10,705 --> 00:54:14,615
we'll start your time over. I am. I am against

693
00:54:15,115 --> 00:54:18,755
the ban on the masks for ice, specifically for

694
00:54:19,195 --> 00:54:22,885
ice, and I am for the detention center. And furthermore,

695
00:54:24,575 --> 00:54:28,255
I am offended deeply, deeply offended

696
00:54:29,485 --> 00:54:33,485
that anyone should consider the current, uh, federal

697
00:54:33,995 --> 00:54:37,595
administration and the forces that work for them to be

698
00:54:38,245 --> 00:54:42,095
gestapo, to be hitler liked to be, and for donald trump to

699
00:54:42,295 --> 00:54:46,075
be considered hitler. I am offended because I had

700
00:54:46,315 --> 00:54:49,575
family that we were, that were lost in germany

701
00:54:50,675 --> 00:54:54,135
in during world war ii. I am of a jewish

702
00:54:54,745 --> 00:54:57,895
background on both sides of my family,

703
00:54:58,835 --> 00:55:02,375
and I lost family during that and during the pilgrims in russia,

704
00:55:04,815 --> 00:55:08,615
um, we need the, the detention facility because there are so

705
00:55:08,835 --> 00:55:12,595
many people in kansas city who, um, and the

706
00:55:12,995 --> 00:55:16,275
surrounding areas who, uh,

707
00:55:17,525 --> 00:55:20,485
they, they hide and they support and they promote

708
00:55:21,725 --> 00:55:25,135
illegal immigration. And they, they support and promote

709
00:55:26,155 --> 00:55:29,775
the lives of foreigners over american citizens.

710
00:55:30,515 --> 00:55:34,395
and we need to get those people out of our country, and

711
00:55:34,635 --> 00:55:38,215
we need to stop the people who support them and promote them

712
00:55:38,795 --> 00:55:42,715
who are against, um, a better union for

713
00:55:42,965 --> 00:55:46,935
ourselves and our posterity. That's all. Thank you.

714
00:55:47,995 --> 00:55:51,955
as a reminder, if you'd like to testify, please sign up on that sheet if you haven't already. Um,

715
00:55:53,535 --> 00:55:57,125
everyone who has signed in said that they wanted to speak, so I'm gonna read through the names. If you don't, then

716
00:55:57,795 --> 00:56:01,315
that's that. Ma'am, please keep your comments to yourself. Thank you, dennis.

717
00:56:02,055 --> 00:56:02,055
roland,

718
00:56:11,135 --> 00:56:14,845
thank you again for allowing me to speak. Uh, as far as the detention center is concerned,

719
00:56:15,425 --> 00:56:18,215
uh, I, I do support the, uh, moratorium,

720
00:56:19,465 --> 00:56:22,645
but I have concerns in that, uh, uh, a moratorium,

721
00:56:23,565 --> 00:56:26,555
absolute moratorium on any facility has to pass cons,

722
00:56:28,055 --> 00:56:31,775
has to pass constitutional muster, otherwise, you're subjecting this, uh,

723
00:56:32,215 --> 00:56:36,005
uh, body to further litigation. And I, I refer

724
00:56:36,375 --> 00:56:40,255
to, uh, a federal district court hearing decision on, uh,

725
00:56:41,415 --> 00:56:45,035
uh, judge christina snyder in california, who addressed

726
00:56:45,675 --> 00:56:49,495
a similar situation as far as masks are concerned. She said that, uh,

727
00:56:49,975 --> 00:56:53,475
if not applied equally, it, uh, would be struck down.

728
00:56:54,335 --> 00:56:58,115
I'd like to see that detention centers are somewhat struck

729
00:56:58,475 --> 00:57:02,135
down, but I'd like to see without, uh, uh,

730
00:57:02,485 --> 00:57:05,835
subjecting the, um, legislature to ongoing litigation.

731
00:57:06,895 --> 00:57:10,475
and I refer to the core civic matter over in kansas. That court

732
00:57:10,905 --> 00:57:14,895
also, the appellate court also suggested, uh, cited with the city. Um,

733
00:57:16,135 --> 00:57:20,075
but they couldn't prevent the location, but they

734
00:57:20,275 --> 00:57:23,285
have to reapply. So, uh, this moratorium,

735
00:57:24,415 --> 00:57:28,315
uh, I believe would prevent even the location, even though I do

736
00:57:28,475 --> 00:57:32,475
support it in whole. We need to revise the statute at it

737
00:57:32,635 --> 00:57:36,595
as it's presented so that we can avoid any further, any future litigation.

738
00:57:37,815 --> 00:57:41,595
that's all. Thank you. Uh, ken thomas mcclain.

739
00:57:56,935 --> 00:57:59,875
I'm against the moratorium, just like the mask

740
00:58:02,155 --> 00:58:05,855
ban ban. I am for the citizens of this city. The

741
00:58:06,355 --> 00:58:09,895
citizens of this city do not, should not be subjected to

742
00:58:10,715 --> 00:58:14,655
a outright restriction on the use of their property, the

743
00:58:14,875 --> 00:58:18,795
lease of their property, or the selling of their property. They should not be told

744
00:58:19,145 --> 00:58:22,625
what they can do with their property unless they have a proper hearing

745
00:58:23,935 --> 00:58:27,315
and due diligence. It is a violation of constitutional

746
00:58:28,015 --> 00:58:31,535
law, 14th amendment and federal law to

747
00:58:32,215 --> 00:58:36,155
do a blanket ban to say what you someone can do with their property

748
00:58:36,275 --> 00:58:39,345
and what someone cannot do with their property. This ordinance

749
00:58:40,695 --> 00:58:44,695
is absolutely abhorrent to our constitution, and

750
00:58:45,015 --> 00:58:49,015
it is a hitler like tactic to say that one

751
00:58:49,535 --> 00:58:53,195
use that is lawful is restricted.

752
00:58:53,615 --> 00:58:57,505
so it's, it's very sad to me to see this chamber

753
00:58:58,225 --> 00:59:01,835
take up an ordinance like this to even consider doing something like this,

754
00:59:02,365 --> 00:59:06,355
which restricts americans use of their property and

755
00:59:06,555 --> 00:59:10,385
their ability to sell it, promote it, develop it, et cetera. That

756
00:59:10,675 --> 00:59:13,705
is not the country that we live in. We live in a free country,

757
00:59:14,915 --> 00:59:17,675
a free society, and this is not freedom.

758
00:59:19,045 --> 00:59:21,445
thank you. Antoine jennings.

759
00:59:32,265 --> 00:59:36,175
antoine jennings, again, blue springs, missouri. You know, it's funny because the,

760
00:59:36,415 --> 00:59:40,165
uh, government tells us, um, if we wanna add an

761
00:59:40,485 --> 00:59:44,165
addition to our home, we gotta go through the government.

762
00:59:45,545 --> 00:59:49,205
if we wanna take out an addition to our home, we gotta go through the government.

763
00:59:49,825 --> 00:59:53,665
and now we wanna say, oh, the 14th amendment. By

764
00:59:54,015 --> 00:59:57,985
golly, g golly, what about the 10th amendment? What

765
00:59:58,275 --> 01:00:02,095
about state's rights? The federal government does not get to tell the

766
01:00:02,315 --> 01:00:05,995
states what to do under their supervision

767
01:00:06,575 --> 01:00:09,835
as long as it's not against the constitution of the united states of america.

768
01:00:11,415 --> 01:00:14,665
the 10th amendment. I suggest you read it.

769
01:00:16,475 --> 01:00:19,875
I suggest you read it. I'm very well versed in the constitution of the united states.

770
01:00:22,025 --> 01:00:25,865
we absolutely have laws not only in

771
01:00:26,085 --> 01:00:29,885
this county, but in the city, in the cities in which we live,

772
01:00:30,755 --> 01:00:34,645
that we have to abide by laws that we don't like, laws that we

773
01:00:34,805 --> 01:00:38,665
don't agree with, but yet the government tells us on

774
01:00:38,925 --> 01:00:42,845
a daily basis, we can't even drive a vehicle without having what? A

775
01:00:42,965 --> 01:00:46,925
driver's license. License. We can't drive a vehicle without what the government tell

776
01:00:47,205 --> 01:00:51,165
us, telling us we have to have insurance. So absolutely,

777
01:00:51,555 --> 01:00:55,545
this body has the absolute right to

778
01:00:55,765 --> 01:00:59,595
state what they want in their county because

779
01:01:00,145 --> 01:01:03,965
you represent us, the people I

780
01:01:04,325 --> 01:01:08,205
reminded you before, we voted you in for a reason. And that

781
01:01:08,445 --> 01:01:12,325
reason is for us to see you act on our

782
01:01:12,545 --> 01:01:13,565
behalf. Thank you.

783
01:01:18,845 --> 01:01:18,845
patricia parks.

784
01:01:24,735 --> 01:01:28,385
okay. Patricia parks from blue springs.

785
01:01:28,805 --> 01:01:32,745
and again, I didn't prepare anything, but I just want you to know my feelings. I think those detention

786
01:01:33,185 --> 01:01:37,025
centers are horrible. People get disappeared. Uh, I have seen several

787
01:01:37,265 --> 01:01:41,225
instances where, um, or the representatives in washington dc have tried

788
01:01:41,425 --> 01:01:45,425
to go to these detention centers and they're not allowed. So, and that's supposed

789
01:01:45,545 --> 01:01:49,505
to be their right and their duty to do that. And they're frustrated. They're

790
01:01:49,785 --> 01:01:53,735
not being allowed to go in and see what's going on in those detention centers. And there's

791
01:01:54,225 --> 01:01:57,825
like thousands in them. It's, it's just wrong. So I'm definitely

792
01:01:58,265 --> 01:01:59,185
against the detention centers.

793
01:02:05,995 --> 01:02:08,665
david broman, did I get it right this time?

794
01:02:11,225 --> 01:02:15,045
. Oh, thank you.

795
01:02:16,695 --> 01:02:20,685
david broman, kansas city, missouri. That's alright. Thank you

796
01:02:20,805 --> 01:02:24,705
again for allowing us to speak. Um, yeah, I, uh,

797
01:02:26,085 --> 01:02:29,305
I have to definitely echo what this gentleman said and

798
01:02:31,765 --> 01:02:35,715
, I, I mean,

799
01:02:36,575 --> 01:02:40,565
it couldn't be a more, uh,

800
01:02:43,105 --> 01:02:46,375
a more supportive thing of what we're seeing go on with,

801
01:02:47,325 --> 01:02:51,205
um, with the ice agency and all the

802
01:02:51,425 --> 01:02:54,345
issues that we're seeing around here to say, yeah, let's bring it here.

803
01:02:55,675 --> 01:02:59,675
let's bring it here and put it, put it right down the road, right down, right

804
01:03:00,025 --> 01:03:03,495
down the street from my boy's school. You know, um,

805
01:03:04,335 --> 01:03:07,745
that's saying, I mean, that is just saying, yeah, we approve of this

806
01:03:09,025 --> 01:03:12,935
foul mistreatment of human beings and, you know, show us an

807
01:03:13,155 --> 01:03:16,255
agency that's above reproach, that is willing to

808
01:03:17,485 --> 01:03:20,395
stand in front of you and say, I'm gonna arrest you for this.

809
01:03:21,585 --> 01:03:24,555
show you my face, my badge, willing to be accountable.

810
01:03:28,655 --> 01:03:32,415
then you know that, that's it. That's an agency that you can, you can talk

811
01:03:32,705 --> 01:03:36,295
to about doing something like putting a, an actual

812
01:03:37,145 --> 01:03:40,165
detention center, you know, in a community.

813
01:03:42,025 --> 01:03:45,015
not just turning a, you know, an old shipping house

814
01:03:46,755 --> 01:03:50,725
next to a trail, a train yard sure brings up some images of the twenties.

815
01:03:54,675 --> 01:03:58,645
let's just not do it. It doesn't make any sense.

816
01:04:01,545 --> 01:04:05,525
do we really want to be a part of that? Usher it

817
01:04:05,685 --> 01:04:09,475
in. I don't.

818
01:04:09,935 --> 01:04:13,155
and I hope that, uh, I hope you don't either. Thank you very much,

819
01:04:18,465 --> 01:04:19,135
paul svi.

820
01:04:22,635 --> 01:04:23,925
thanks again. Mr. Chairman. Members,

821
01:04:26,915 --> 01:04:29,815
uh, paul svi, south kansas city. Uh, first of all the, uh,

822
01:04:30,955 --> 01:04:34,415
the analogy of the concentration camps. I'm a jewish american living in the diaspora.

823
01:04:35,285 --> 01:04:39,175
this in tka, sobi door, bergen be, and auschwitz. They're not dropping cryon b

824
01:04:39,325 --> 01:04:43,015
down a slot with 500 jewish people in a, in a supposed shower.

825
01:04:43,555 --> 01:04:46,795
so anyway, I'll move on. Uh, the defensive facility first, uh, responsibility

826
01:04:47,695 --> 01:04:51,655
of government officials, protected citizens. Part of that is putting a physical security

827
01:04:51,775 --> 01:04:55,735
barrier between the law abiding citizens and the criminals and those that mean

828
01:04:55,895 --> 01:04:59,775
to do harm to those citizens. Detention facilities, just like in afghanistan, we took

829
01:04:59,935 --> 01:05:03,435
the taliban off the battlefield. We took 'em in detention facilities in canada to armed ba why?

830
01:05:04,035 --> 01:05:07,405
so they wouldn't harm or kill coalition forces and hurt afghanistan.

831
01:05:08,205 --> 01:05:12,185
afghanistan natives. So the, the issue is just like

832
01:05:12,385 --> 01:05:16,145
in kansas over in, uh, kansas city, kansas, when you had the domestic violence issue with the illegal

833
01:05:16,665 --> 01:05:20,525
criminal aliens that shot the woman, had she been in a detention facility, she might still be

834
01:05:20,685 --> 01:05:24,565
alive. So that's an issue that these detention facilities work to help

835
01:05:24,835 --> 01:05:28,375
protect people and also give 'em the processing again,

836
01:05:28,905 --> 01:05:32,775
um, a rising opposition. Uh, those two brothers, they're on the property, uh, management

837
01:05:33,445 --> 01:05:37,445
company that were terrorized and doxed and harassed

838
01:05:37,785 --> 01:05:41,605
by, by officials. It, it was shameful. And, uh, thank you again.

839
01:05:41,805 --> 01:05:45,445
appreciate it. Just wait. Benjamin rustler,

840
01:05:49,905 --> 01:05:53,865
uh, and final folks that, uh, are interested in speaking, please sign up there. Um,

841
01:05:54,565 --> 01:05:58,465
I think we're wrapping up on the public hearing section. Thank you. Yes, I'm

842
01:05:58,845 --> 01:06:02,745
benjamin wrestler again. Uh, well, I thank the gentleman for his service, but

843
01:06:03,005 --> 01:06:06,665
I think it's interesting to compare his time in combat

844
01:06:07,115 --> 01:06:10,675
theater to how we run jackson county, missouri. Yeah.

845
01:06:11,955 --> 01:06:15,745
what are we talking about? It is outrageous to

846
01:06:15,965 --> 01:06:19,855
even consider that a building that is built to house consumer goods

847
01:06:20,305 --> 01:06:24,015
in transit can somehow be made to humanely house

848
01:06:24,855 --> 01:06:28,405
human beings. What are we talking about? Restrictions

849
01:06:29,205 --> 01:06:33,125
on what you can use your property for. There are rules for residential construction.

850
01:06:35,985 --> 01:06:39,525
you can't turn a warehouse into a prison. And these people's record,

851
01:06:40,025 --> 01:06:43,995
dozens of people died in their custody last year from sheer neglect from

852
01:06:44,285 --> 01:06:48,065
not getting their medicine, from not being treated for the hypothermia that they contracted in

853
01:06:48,415 --> 01:06:52,285
those facilities. Any other prison that operated in such a fashion

854
01:06:52,615 --> 01:06:56,445
would be shut down. Legitimate corrections

855
01:06:56,845 --> 01:07:00,765
facilities don't do this. And as was also pointed out in this hearing, if the

856
01:07:00,925 --> 01:07:04,885
goal was deportation, then why house? Thousands of them here

857
01:07:05,225 --> 01:07:08,605
in jackson county where a legal form of slavery

858
01:07:09,305 --> 01:07:12,895
in the 14th amendment can be used to exploit them for their labor.

859
01:07:13,435 --> 01:07:15,325
what are we talking about? This is the united states.

860
01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:20,865
we don't do this. These are human beings.

861
01:07:23,475 --> 01:07:26,895
and even if it were a criminal offense to be in the united states

862
01:07:27,495 --> 01:07:31,415
without authorization, which it is not, even if it were,

863
01:07:32,275 --> 01:07:35,675
you are required to prove it in a court of law.

864
01:07:37,025 --> 01:07:40,855
these enforcement activities are an insult to the letter and spirit

865
01:07:41,875 --> 01:07:45,575
of every due process law in this country. And the idea that a nation

866
01:07:46,615 --> 01:07:50,495
conceived in liberty is for this is insulting

867
01:07:51,155 --> 01:07:51,575
and a joke.

868
01:07:56,575 --> 01:07:58,885
these are not legitimate law enforcement operations

869
01:08:00,785 --> 01:08:04,285
and this is not a legitimate way to treat human beings. Thank you.

870
01:08:09,785 --> 01:08:12,145
ashley morgan. Ashley morgan.

871
01:08:22,815 --> 01:08:25,285
hello. Thank you. Ashley morgan lee, summit, missouri.

872
01:08:26,835 --> 01:08:30,715
uh, thank you for the opportunity to speak again. I'm

873
01:08:30,935 --> 01:08:34,095
here, um, to oppose any iced detention

874
01:08:35,055 --> 01:08:38,735
warehouses in in jackson, uh, county. Our community understands

875
01:08:39,335 --> 01:08:43,305
exactly what these facilities are. Large industrial detention sites

876
01:08:43,795 --> 01:08:47,275
or camps, uh, in which to concentrate brown people in.

877
01:08:48,155 --> 01:08:51,815
um, they are designed to confine people and isolating conditions

878
01:08:52,525 --> 01:08:55,915
with minimal oversight. Changing the terminology of

879
01:08:56,805 --> 01:09:00,495
detention centers does not change the reality across the country.

880
01:09:00,905 --> 01:09:04,495
these immigration camps have been repeatedly cited for unsafe conditions,

881
01:09:05,325 --> 01:09:09,115
rape, torture, and there has been a confirmed murder and

882
01:09:09,535 --> 01:09:13,255
adequate medical care, lack of transparency and limited access to legal support,

883
01:09:13,835 --> 01:09:17,575
if any at all. Aligning jackson county with a system that is such troubling

884
01:09:18,135 --> 01:09:22,095
record would be a serious mistake. Residents are also raising a

885
01:09:22,415 --> 01:09:25,335
critical point here today. And, uh, in my conversations,

886
01:09:26,865 --> 01:09:30,815
there are not enough immigrant immigrants in the us to fill the detention camps being built

887
01:09:31,295 --> 01:09:35,055
nationwide. Existing facilities often sit partially empty to this day,

888
01:09:35,315 --> 01:09:39,175
yet new ones continue to be proposed that raises real concerns about the motivations

889
01:09:39,735 --> 01:09:43,675
behind these projects and whether they mirror the private prison model. Profit driven, opaque,

890
01:09:44,095 --> 01:09:47,825
independent on keeping beds filled. Bringing these warehouses here would

891
01:09:48,175 --> 01:09:51,895
create fear among immigrant families, discourage people from reporting crimes

892
01:09:52,915 --> 01:09:56,815
or seeking services and undermine trust in the institutions that

893
01:09:57,015 --> 01:10:00,735
are already struggling here. It would also divert land and

894
01:10:01,095 --> 01:10:05,095
resources away from housing, healthcare, education, community safety programs that actually

895
01:10:05,455 --> 01:10:09,175
strengthen our county residents are asking fair questions. Who truly

896
01:10:09,815 --> 01:10:13,535
benefits from this? Why should our county bear the moral and social cost of hosting detention

897
01:10:14,265 --> 01:10:18,185
camps? And why expand detention capacity when the population, these

898
01:10:18,535 --> 01:10:22,455
facilities target does not justify it? Jackson county deserves development that

899
01:10:22,615 --> 01:10:26,615
reflects our values. We should be building a community where people can live time and contribute.

900
01:10:27,625 --> 01:10:28,055
thank you

901
01:10:35,685 --> 01:10:39,495
deborah parma and sarah ferris, just so that you guys can navigate

902
01:10:39,695 --> 01:10:42,335
the audience. I,

903
01:10:55,035 --> 01:10:58,275
deborah parma, kansas city, missouri detention

904
01:10:59,295 --> 01:11:03,175
facilities is just a euphemism for prisons. Trump

905
01:11:03,545 --> 01:11:07,425
was supposed to go after the worst of the worst. It's proven

906
01:11:08,995 --> 01:11:12,685
that immigrants do less than

907
01:11:13,115 --> 01:11:16,805
half the number of crimes than american citizens

908
01:11:17,265 --> 01:11:21,195
do. The people they are putting in these prisons,

909
01:11:22,095 --> 01:11:25,515
again, are people that are mostly just here

910
01:11:26,435 --> 01:11:30,425
illegally, which is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket,

911
01:11:32,465 --> 01:11:36,105
and they are being mistreated in there. I'm

912
01:11:36,765 --> 01:11:40,265
a really sad story. I read the other day, is this prison in

913
01:11:40,865 --> 01:11:44,835
dly, which has families, children that

914
01:11:45,445 --> 01:11:49,205
recently has been too cold for them to go outside. There's no

915
01:11:49,745 --> 01:11:53,245
tv or anything. The children would draw pictures.

916
01:11:54,385 --> 01:11:57,605
the guards came in and took the pictures, the paper,

917
01:11:58,545 --> 01:12:02,545
the crayons, the pencils, the

918
01:12:02,925 --> 01:12:05,825
children cried. There's nothing for them to do.

919
01:12:07,955 --> 01:12:11,705
it's just horrible. Uh uh,

920
01:12:12,075 --> 01:12:15,665
it's just to be mean to these people. And

921
01:12:16,705 --> 01:12:20,465
so thousands, hundreds of thousands they think to

922
01:12:20,715 --> 01:12:23,965
hold, well, if he actually deports these people,

923
01:12:24,855 --> 01:12:28,565
who's gonna fill 'em talk. What do you think about trump?

924
01:12:29,155 --> 01:12:31,135
what about the people who oppose trump?

925
01:12:34,415 --> 01:12:37,785
what do you think might happen to them and where would they put them?

926
01:12:41,435 --> 01:12:45,325
I just say you should consider that . Sarah

927
01:12:45,915 --> 01:12:45,915
ferris.

928
01:13:01,215 --> 01:13:05,005
hello. Um, my name is sarah farn and I am, I live in kansas city.

929
01:13:06,145 --> 01:13:09,845
um, I'm also a college student. Um, and obviously

930
01:13:10,365 --> 01:13:14,265
I'm speaking for myself, but I also want to speak for the youth. Um,

931
01:13:14,585 --> 01:13:18,565
we see mass walkouts in our area against ice operations and detention

932
01:13:18,885 --> 01:13:22,205
centers. The people have spoken. Um, and I hope that,

933
01:13:23,065 --> 01:13:26,485
um, my elected representatives will do their job and hear our voices

934
01:13:27,305 --> 01:13:31,145
to act. Um, additionally, I attend school, um,

935
01:13:31,365 --> 01:13:34,525
classes with many international students and people from different cultures.

936
01:13:35,625 --> 01:13:39,605
um, different backgrounds, different countries. These people are here, student visas, they're here

937
01:13:39,645 --> 01:13:43,345
legally. We see those people being taken up by ice

938
01:13:44,465 --> 01:13:47,765
and detained, even if they're not citizens, they're here legally.

939
01:13:48,905 --> 01:13:52,805
um, so we should be against, um, detention centers. If we

940
01:13:52,925 --> 01:13:56,395
wanna talk about legality. Let's bring up liam ramos, 5-year-old

941
01:13:57,165 --> 01:14:00,445
from minneapolis, taken from school to an ice detention

942
01:14:01,245 --> 01:14:05,165
facility. Okay, you're worried about criminals, let's focus on that because that's what's actually happening.

943
01:14:06,425 --> 01:14:08,885
um, and I just wanna say, you know,

944
01:14:10,565 --> 01:14:14,015
I love this city. I love this. I love these people. I love our diversity

945
01:14:14,635 --> 01:14:18,135
and our different cultures, you know, and I think that we should do everything

946
01:14:18,835 --> 01:14:22,735
in our power to prevent a detention center. We don't want that

947
01:14:22,935 --> 01:14:26,805
blood on our hands. We don't want those people being hurt

948
01:14:27,095 --> 01:14:30,955
under our watchful eyes. Um, you know, if

949
01:14:31,175 --> 01:14:35,175
we're worried about due process, that's not what, that's not what's happening, and that's not what happens in those

950
01:14:35,295 --> 01:14:37,295
detention centers. Thank you

951
01:14:41,465 --> 01:14:42,105
brian lambe.

952
01:14:50,885 --> 01:14:54,755
thank you. Thanks for allowing us all that, the

953
01:14:54,915 --> 01:14:58,875
opportunity to speak. I'm glad I just followed someone who brought up the word do pro or the phrase due process,

954
01:14:59,075 --> 01:15:02,765
because to me that's the most important thing we're talking about here. We've

955
01:15:03,115 --> 01:15:06,815
had people mostly in support of the ban and

956
01:15:07,435 --> 01:15:10,745
opposing the detention facilities speak about un-american

957
01:15:12,785 --> 01:15:16,115
actions implications, and then other people who support,

958
01:15:17,175 --> 01:15:20,675
who oppose the mask, ban and support the detention facilities

959
01:15:21,235 --> 01:15:24,785
making the same argument. We all like to use the argument of like, this is anti-american.

960
01:15:25,635 --> 01:15:29,555
what's happening here? What does that mean? What does it mean to be anti-american. What

961
01:15:29,755 --> 01:15:33,455
does it mean to be american? Fundamentally, the the thing that makes our

962
01:15:33,875 --> 01:15:37,425
constitution special is the bill of rights. The bill of rights protects,

963
01:15:38,605 --> 01:15:42,565
uh, or prevents, protects for citizens and prevents the arbitrary use of

964
01:15:42,995 --> 01:15:46,285
state power. That's what we're talking about. That's what masks do.

965
01:15:47,135 --> 01:15:50,505
they allow what's essentially a federalized police force

966
01:15:51,605 --> 01:15:55,215
to create a chilling effect by, by fearmongering

967
01:15:56,065 --> 01:16:00,065
it's scaring people. Rightly so. Okay, so we're talking

968
01:16:00,225 --> 01:16:04,145
about due process. We wanna say that what's happening

969
01:16:04,525 --> 01:16:07,935
is on american, you have to focus on due process. Okay.

970
01:16:09,425 --> 01:16:11,495
mass detention facilities are

971
01:16:14,555 --> 01:16:18,435
movements in contravention to the bill of rights,

972
01:16:18,895 --> 01:16:22,795
to the, the spirit of this country. The literal spiritual soul of this country

973
01:16:23,255 --> 01:16:26,115
is the bill of rights due process. That's it. Thanks.

974
01:16:31,085 --> 01:16:34,875
without any testimony, uh, any further testimony. That concludes our

975
01:16:35,275 --> 01:16:39,155
public hearings for 60 50 and 60 61. Uh,

976
01:16:39,375 --> 01:16:43,215
we will now move into, uh, communications and reports from our county

977
01:16:43,405 --> 01:16:47,155
executive, uh, any reports from our county executive. Very briefly, mr.

978
01:16:47,655 --> 01:16:51,575
chairman, I wanna inform this body

979
01:16:51,775 --> 01:16:53,775
that the budget books are gonna be online,

980
01:16:56,235 --> 01:17:00,135
uh, by the end of next week. And we have hard copies being printed out for each of you

981
01:17:00,805 --> 01:17:04,695
with, uh, our tabs. Everyone wanted the tabs, so we're gonna make sure the

982
01:17:04,855 --> 01:17:08,735
tabs were in there. Uh, I wanted mr. Mr. Executive, if, if we could just pause

983
01:17:09,105 --> 01:17:12,885
one second. Okay. Just for the folks who are leaving, um, note that the actions

984
01:17:13,205 --> 01:17:17,085
will take place immediately upon his report. So, just fyi. Um, so

985
01:17:17,285 --> 01:17:21,285
if you want to go, you're more than welcome to do so. Um, respectfully of our

986
01:17:21,405 --> 01:17:25,345
county executive, but just wanted to give you that heads up. So, thank you, mr. Executive. And, uh,

987
01:17:25,675 --> 01:17:29,645
very briefly, I wanna inform this legislative body. Uh, we have a, a, a

988
01:17:29,925 --> 01:17:33,885
position of a county veteran services officer. Um, thank you

989
01:17:34,005 --> 01:17:37,885
for legislator marshall smith, who's talked to me about that

990
01:17:38,105 --> 01:17:42,035
and, and kept coming to the administration about that. It's been budgeted last year. It's

991
01:17:42,325 --> 01:17:46,245
an advocate position for veterans. It's been budgeted by this body. It hasn't been

992
01:17:46,365 --> 01:17:50,245
filled, and it continues not to be filled. We found out that it got caught up

993
01:17:50,405 --> 01:17:54,405
in hr, didn't go anywhere. So there are applicants for that position

994
01:17:54,585 --> 01:17:58,405
of a county veteran service officer. That's a very important position to help advocate

995
01:17:59,165 --> 01:18:03,105
veterans on all sorts of things. Not just a county issue. It's a, they would help veterans, uh,

996
01:18:03,545 --> 01:18:07,445
on all sorts of. So we're moving forward on that and gonna be doing some

997
01:18:07,605 --> 01:18:11,185
interviews and get someone in that position as soon as possible. You founded it.

998
01:18:11,665 --> 01:18:15,285
you thought it was a great idea there, and we need to implement it, and we will.

999
01:18:15,745 --> 01:18:19,605
um, that's all I have. Thank you. Questions and comments for county

1000
01:18:19,885 --> 01:18:23,825
executive? All right. Hearing none, we'll move

1001
01:18:23,905 --> 01:18:26,675
into the perfection of proposed ordinances and reports of committees 60 50

1002
01:18:28,185 --> 01:18:32,125
prohibiting law enforcement officers from concealing their faces or badges

1003
01:18:32,545 --> 01:18:36,295
during performance of their official duties in establishing penalties and exemptions legislature

1004
01:18:36,985 --> 01:18:40,525
as a whole. Can I ask our general counsel? Um, I think I have passed out.

1005
01:18:41,045 --> 01:18:44,805
um, this, uh, looks like january 28th, um,

1006
01:18:45,715 --> 01:18:49,385
supplement. Uh, can I ask our general counsel to read that for record, please?

1007
01:18:50,245 --> 01:18:53,825
we need it. Here it is. Yes, mr. Chairman, I'll, uh, I'll condense it

1008
01:18:54,285 --> 01:18:58,065
to the specific issues in it so we, I won't have to read the whole entirety of it.

1009
01:18:59,005 --> 01:19:02,615
uh, the county council's office did not sign, uh, ordinance

1010
01:19:03,395 --> 01:19:07,025
60 50 as to form and cannot recommend its passage or enforcement

1011
01:19:08,085 --> 01:19:11,985
as the county does not have the authority to require a order federal law enforcement

1012
01:19:12,385 --> 01:19:16,325
officers to abide by any local ordinances that are not also captured in federal law.

1013
01:19:17,095 --> 01:19:20,185
federal law due to the supremacy clause that the us constitution

1014
01:19:21,115 --> 01:19:24,985
supersedes any state or local law. To the contrary, while it

1015
01:19:25,145 --> 01:19:28,785
is true that a municipality can make its own laws and can in certain instances

1016
01:19:30,005 --> 01:19:34,005
exceed the strictness of federal or state law, it is not allowed to make or

1017
01:19:34,225 --> 01:19:37,585
enforce law that is an opposition to federal law. For example,

1018
01:19:38,665 --> 01:19:42,485
a state could not amend its own constitution to repudiate the first amendment to

1019
01:19:42,705 --> 01:19:46,585
the us constitution and require all news to be reviewed and approved

1020
01:19:47,165 --> 01:19:50,975
before publishing or dissemination. This principle was recently upheld

1021
01:19:51,615 --> 01:19:55,315
by the federal courts in a challenge made to missouri's second amendment protection

1022
01:19:55,955 --> 01:19:59,955
act, which sought to abrogate specific federal laws within the state of

1023
01:20:00,235 --> 01:20:03,715
missouri. This was soundly rejected as a violation of supremacy clause.

1024
01:20:05,455 --> 01:20:09,205
in this instance, there is no us code provision that prohibits federal

1025
01:20:09,505 --> 01:20:13,425
law enforcement officers from wearing face masks. Attire is set

1026
01:20:13,665 --> 01:20:17,565
by agency policy, not statute, with no authority to change the agency policy

1027
01:20:18,375 --> 01:20:22,365
state and municipalities cannot change or restrict the requirements of federal

1028
01:20:22,705 --> 01:20:26,245
law enforcement officers uniform and the realm of law enforcement. Municipalities

1029
01:20:27,545 --> 01:20:30,925
are not authorized to dictate or restrict the operations of law enforcement

1030
01:20:31,835 --> 01:20:35,725
that is not under its direct supervision. And even agencies that do not

1031
01:20:35,885 --> 01:20:39,275
act under the authority of municipality, of protect, have protections against

1032
01:20:40,005 --> 01:20:42,445
undue interference on their activities by a municipality.

1033
01:20:45,085 --> 01:20:49,085
I point all these out. We've had a similar situation just recently occurred

1034
01:20:49,935 --> 01:20:53,925
where this body passed a, a gun ordinance that was more restrictive

1035
01:20:54,445 --> 01:20:57,725
than the state, and it was kind of in between what the federal law was.

1036
01:20:59,225 --> 01:21:03,075
um, we're in a time

1037
01:21:03,365 --> 01:21:07,285
where there's lawfare and, and everything becomes litigation, and we

1038
01:21:07,445 --> 01:21:11,365
got sued by the attorney general's office on that matter. Um, you know,

1039
01:21:11,865 --> 01:21:15,825
not to go into too much detail, it's a nominal case at

1040
01:21:16,045 --> 01:21:19,835
this point, but they're moving forward with it and they'll get attorney fees,

1041
01:21:20,185 --> 01:21:23,945
and that could cost the taxpayers of jackson county a lot of money. So,

1042
01:21:24,625 --> 01:21:28,165
as much as I understand the symbolism of passing a law like this

1043
01:21:29,315 --> 01:21:33,125
with the supremacy clause that's on the books, and that has prevented other municipalities

1044
01:21:33,905 --> 01:21:37,835
and taxing jurisdictions to do something of this nature, I would be concerned that

1045
01:21:38,155 --> 01:21:41,685
we'd be facing litigation on this matter like we have in the press.

1046
01:21:43,145 --> 01:21:46,965
if you have any questions, please lemme know. Questions,

1047
01:21:47,365 --> 01:21:51,325
comments for our general counsel? Yep. Vice chair. So, I, I

1048
01:21:51,445 --> 01:21:55,255
noticed that mr. Kavinsky, as well as, uh, one person in the audience or wearing masks,

1049
01:21:55,745 --> 01:21:59,685
I'm gonna make an assumption that this is either for your protection or for the protection of others.

1050
01:22:00,785 --> 01:22:04,765
um, yes, it was a horrible time for me to get sick for the

1051
01:22:04,845 --> 01:22:08,365
first time in 10 years, and I, I, I wanted to come in today, but yeah, I could also

1052
01:22:08,905 --> 01:22:12,905
try to others, and I didn't, I didn't wanna to pry into your health, but, but thank you for that. Yeah. And, and I guess the

1053
01:22:13,245 --> 01:22:17,025
question is, um, did you have permission from the legislature to

1054
01:22:17,355 --> 01:22:21,025
wear a mask today? ? No, I did not. Trying

1055
01:22:21,445 --> 01:22:25,325
to. So you, you used your judgment that it might be best for your protection or the protection

1056
01:22:25,725 --> 01:22:29,635
of others to wear a mask today. And, and that judgment will

1057
01:22:30,225 --> 01:22:34,065
be different tomorrow or a few days from now. Um, and, and

1058
01:22:34,285 --> 01:22:37,035
I bring that up just to say, um, legislating

1059
01:22:38,355 --> 01:22:40,985
like this, present legislation is, um,

1060
01:22:42,465 --> 01:22:46,085
to, to mandate something first, that, as the county counselor

1061
01:22:46,625 --> 01:22:50,625
has stated, we don't have the authority to do anything about, uh,

1062
01:22:50,845 --> 01:22:54,595
that can and will cost taxpayers money to defend because,

1063
01:22:55,785 --> 01:22:59,785
um, the county's responsible for defending ordinances that we pass, um,

1064
01:23:00,505 --> 01:23:04,405
is all a representation of irresponsible government. And I'll ask

1065
01:23:04,605 --> 01:23:08,045
the county executive, um, if we pass this ordinance,

1066
01:23:08,955 --> 01:23:12,715
will you sign this ordinance? Or will you veto this ordinance? Or have you, have

1067
01:23:13,005 --> 01:23:16,925
you developed a position at this point? I'll tell you what, I'm listening and the position comes

1068
01:23:17,165 --> 01:23:20,505
if this body passes something, it will come from me for my review. Okay. Um,

1069
01:23:21,745 --> 01:23:25,525
and, and finally, I just wanna say that, that we have an option

1070
01:23:26,025 --> 01:23:29,965
as a legislative body to make, um, statements that we,

1071
01:23:30,165 --> 01:23:34,165
that we feel as a body, we wanna make a majority that aren't subject

1072
01:23:34,465 --> 01:23:38,425
to a veto and aren't subject necessarily to litigation and, and,

1073
01:23:39,185 --> 01:23:42,685
and enforcement. Um, that, that is the resolution process

1074
01:23:43,385 --> 01:23:47,375
in this case. The, um, sponsor of this ordinance, uh, legislator

1075
01:23:48,045 --> 01:23:52,025
of barca, chairman of barca, um, is, is placing the

1076
01:23:52,245 --> 01:23:55,845
county at risk to make a philosophical statement that might be popular

1077
01:23:56,275 --> 01:24:00,085
with the community, but, but is doing so via an

1078
01:24:00,325 --> 01:24:02,785
avenue, an ordinance, which, um,

1079
01:24:04,425 --> 01:24:08,325
is not enforceable, but will have to be defended at a cost to

1080
01:24:08,525 --> 01:24:12,405
the county. And, and therefore, it just smacks to me of

1081
01:24:12,795 --> 01:24:16,195
irresponsible government, um, if we choose to pass this.

1082
01:24:16,845 --> 01:24:20,765
I guess, um, the, the last thing I'll say, aside from the idea that a, a

1083
01:24:21,125 --> 01:24:25,105
resolution would maybe be the correct avenue given, um, the

1084
01:24:25,385 --> 01:24:29,045
desire to make a statement while no, um, enforcement is

1085
01:24:29,445 --> 01:24:33,185
possible, um, that placing laws on the books filing

1086
01:24:33,825 --> 01:24:37,005
and, and passing ordinances that are

1087
01:24:37,865 --> 01:24:41,825
not enforceable actually serves to erode the law.

1088
01:24:42,355 --> 01:24:46,085
meaning if people see that we have a code of ordinances, and some of them

1089
01:24:46,585 --> 01:24:50,295
are subject to enforcement, and others are subject to being ignored, we're

1090
01:24:50,645 --> 01:24:54,565
we're actually compounding the problem of lawlessness that the resolution

1091
01:24:55,365 --> 01:24:59,105
purports to try to solve. It purports to try to say, um,

1092
01:25:00,175 --> 01:25:03,835
peace officers, police officers, law enforcement officers should be open.

1093
01:25:04,265 --> 01:25:08,165
and, and if you accept, accept that premise and think that that should be

1094
01:25:08,285 --> 01:25:12,205
part of the law, there are avenues to get that made part of the law at a federal

1095
01:25:12,375 --> 01:25:16,165
level. And instead of exercising those, we have distracted

1096
01:25:16,565 --> 01:25:20,385
people wasted their time and brought them here to, to advocate for

1097
01:25:20,705 --> 01:25:24,415
or against something that, that can simply have no legal

1098
01:25:25,145 --> 01:25:29,085
impact. Um, so I'll just kind of pause there. Like I said, I, I wanted to

1099
01:25:29,675 --> 01:25:33,635
emphasize the idea that people wear masks sometimes for reasons that

1100
01:25:33,925 --> 01:25:37,885
are specific and to their individual judgment. Um, and I

1101
01:25:38,005 --> 01:25:41,845
also know and wanna note that we did hear from the county sheriff, the only

1102
01:25:42,585 --> 01:25:46,545
agency law enforcement agency that might be subject to this ordinance, um,

1103
01:25:47,025 --> 01:25:50,445
as far as enforcement and, and it being a lawful ordinance.

1104
01:25:51,225 --> 01:25:54,765
and there are times when officers do wear masks for their own safety.

1105
01:25:55,585 --> 01:25:58,385
um, sometimes there are arresting individuals that, uh,

1106
01:25:59,865 --> 01:26:03,715
um, might be affiliated with gangs and therefore have dangerous gang

1107
01:26:04,005 --> 01:26:07,675
members who might seek to retaliate. Um, there are such

1108
01:26:08,085 --> 01:26:12,055
a large swath of potential reasons why law enforcement might

1109
01:26:12,545 --> 01:26:16,465
choose to do something or choose not to do something that for us to, to try

1110
01:26:16,685 --> 01:26:19,925
to, um, legislate that, uh, without

1111
01:26:21,005 --> 01:26:24,885
a thorough understanding, a lot more language, a lot more advice and consent

1112
01:26:25,325 --> 01:26:29,325
from law enforcement, um, seems to me to to be a mistake.

1113
01:26:30,305 --> 01:26:34,115
um, so I'll, I'll, I'll pause there in case my colleagues want

1114
01:26:34,405 --> 01:26:38,365
to, um, ask other questions, questions,

1115
01:26:38,725 --> 01:26:39,445
comments, thoughts.

1116
01:26:42,835 --> 01:26:45,735
all right. I'm gonna pass the gavel to you, sir, so that you can acknowledge me.

1117
01:26:47,615 --> 01:26:50,555
acknowledged. Thank you. Uh, so

1118
01:26:52,205 --> 01:26:56,055
lots of comments. First, thank you all for being here, for testifying, for sharing. Uh, part of this process

1119
01:26:56,315 --> 01:26:59,255
is your public testimony, whether you're for or against any of these, these efforts.

1120
01:27:00,435 --> 01:27:04,195
um, I, I think that the legal opinion here is, is

1121
01:27:05,095 --> 01:27:08,855
interesting. Um, mr. Kavinsky, there is nothing,

1122
01:27:09,115 --> 01:27:13,055
and I think you ci it. Um, there is no us code provision that prohibits federal

1123
01:27:13,275 --> 01:27:17,165
law enforcement officers from wearing face masks. Thus, without

1124
01:27:18,535 --> 01:27:21,695
a prohibition or a, I guess, decision,

1125
01:27:22,765 --> 01:27:26,535
what prevents us from creating, uh, an enforceable local ordinance violation,

1126
01:27:28,355 --> 01:27:32,175
the supremacy would intend that there's a law that we would be violating. So what's

1127
01:27:33,255 --> 01:27:37,255
a, again, it's a supremacy issue. We can't tell a

1128
01:27:37,375 --> 01:27:41,295
federal agent how to, how to address when they're in the state of missouri,

1129
01:27:41,455 --> 01:27:44,655
because it's a, the federal law expands all states

1130
01:27:45,835 --> 01:27:49,775
in the country. But, but what's the law that they're possession of? Well, that protect,

1131
01:27:50,135 --> 01:27:53,935
they have agency policies that will determine whether or not they can do it,

1132
01:27:54,585 --> 01:27:57,275
which is not law. Right. Which is not law.

1133
01:27:58,615 --> 01:28:02,535
I mean, you can say it's not law, but if the agency has a policy

1134
01:28:02,795 --> 01:28:06,735
on what their agents can wear, that's what they will intend to enforce.

1135
01:28:07,655 --> 01:28:11,535
a big issue here is whether or not an action can be taken in federal court or state

1136
01:28:11,775 --> 01:28:15,735
court, and in this case it's municipality. And that's where, again, the supremacy

1137
01:28:16,095 --> 01:28:20,075
clause would prevent us from doing it. Sure. Um, so do, do,

1138
01:28:20,295 --> 01:28:24,175
in that opinion, do ice agents have to follow speed limits?

1139
01:28:26,685 --> 01:28:30,375
of course, that has nothing to do with their enforcement, but that's a local enforcement.

1140
01:28:31,125 --> 01:28:34,885
the state prohibit prohibition. There's nothing that says they don't have to follow it. So

1141
01:28:35,325 --> 01:28:39,305
I'm trying to follow the same coordination here of process. There's nothing that says

1142
01:28:39,505 --> 01:28:43,285
they have to, so why do they have to? I think

1143
01:28:43,945 --> 01:28:47,805
that's a reasonable statute or ordinance that's on the books.

1144
01:28:48,225 --> 01:28:52,125
it has nothing to do with the law enforcement action. And, you know,

1145
01:28:52,825 --> 01:28:56,405
for them to follow the local laws when it comes to speeding

1146
01:28:56,905 --> 01:29:00,485
and all of that, um, is a whole different matter of whatsoever.

1147
01:29:01,985 --> 01:29:05,855
so I think my point here is that there are some means in which local

1148
01:29:06,355 --> 01:29:09,995
laws dictate participation and enforcement of, because

1149
01:29:10,485 --> 01:29:14,485
if they violated, police officers can pull them over. Um, police officers

1150
01:29:14,925 --> 01:29:18,195
have pulled over other police officers violating law. It doesn't prohibit them from

1151
01:29:19,185 --> 01:29:23,085
not participating because they're a higher authority. Um, so there's some legal

1152
01:29:24,005 --> 01:29:27,795
opinions there that I'm sure we can figure out. The other question, uh, that

1153
01:29:28,125 --> 01:29:31,775
I have, uh, or, or I guess reference, um, is, is really about

1154
01:29:32,355 --> 01:29:36,005
understanding how, from one side of the argument,

1155
01:29:36,705 --> 01:29:40,405
six years ago, folks didn't wanna wear masks to protect

1156
01:29:41,075 --> 01:29:44,565
them from public health arguments. And yet now they're advocating for

1157
01:29:45,225 --> 01:29:49,225
hiding behind masks because they're too much of a snowflake, um,

1158
01:29:49,585 --> 01:29:53,565
to try and understand how ice agents have some

1159
01:29:53,765 --> 01:29:57,165
incredibly hard and challenging job to round up 5-year-old children.

1160
01:29:57,785 --> 01:30:01,725
so, I, I don't quite understand how we can have both in our county, because this body

1161
01:30:01,985 --> 01:30:05,645
has regulated masks, um, has faced challenges both federally and locally.

1162
01:30:06,505 --> 01:30:10,365
um, and seemingly, uh, we have similar people who are advocating one,

1163
01:30:10,585 --> 01:30:14,325
one way or another. So tell us about our mask ordinance

1164
01:30:14,845 --> 01:30:18,605
processes. I think that was a health issue and it, it applied

1165
01:30:18,965 --> 01:30:22,685
throughout the state, or in this instance in the county.

1166
01:30:23,545 --> 01:30:27,465
um, we actually had lawsuits with the state agency for

1167
01:30:27,685 --> 01:30:31,085
our mask ordinances. Right. And it's, it's just a, it's a different

1168
01:30:31,705 --> 01:30:35,405
animal when you're talking about protecting your own citizens in your county

1169
01:30:36,025 --> 01:30:39,965
versus law enforcement from the federal level being in your

1170
01:30:40,165 --> 01:30:44,165
county. And whether or not they would be under more restrictions

1171
01:30:45,745 --> 01:30:49,155
for wearing when they, when they have a explanation

1172
01:30:49,845 --> 01:30:53,605
for why they're doing what they're doing, I'm not taking an opinion on it,

1173
01:30:53,905 --> 01:30:57,695
I'm just telling you what the supremacy clause stands for. Yeah. Um, which

1174
01:30:58,125 --> 01:31:01,655
I appreciate that part. Um, would you be opposed to third party counsel evaluating

1175
01:31:02,325 --> 01:31:05,565
this, um, externally and giving us some understanding and perspective

1176
01:31:06,555 --> 01:31:10,555
if, if either you think that would be helpful to you? Um, not, not

1177
01:31:10,895 --> 01:31:14,735
to dismiss your, your report, but just to seek

1178
01:31:14,935 --> 01:31:18,795
additional guidance on constitutionality and means for which we can, uh,

1179
01:31:19,015 --> 01:31:22,925
implement this? Because I, I do think that there's some balance of federal

1180
01:31:23,555 --> 01:31:27,495
law enforcement officers have to follow a speed limit that's a local regulation. So how can we

1181
01:31:27,615 --> 01:31:31,255
find an opportunity here to protect citizens? Because as you've suggested,

1182
01:31:32,075 --> 01:31:35,975
uh, we have, um, the opportunity to protect folks, uh, two people were at least

1183
01:31:36,095 --> 01:31:39,975
killed by mass agents in minneapolis. Um, there's also that requirement of

1184
01:31:40,135 --> 01:31:44,075
protection as well. Um, and so, you know, the, the

1185
01:31:44,295 --> 01:31:48,175
protection of massed men, um, or women, I guess from

1186
01:31:48,555 --> 01:31:52,455
ice, doing a job that they signed up to do voluntarily is not really

1187
01:31:52,635 --> 01:31:56,615
my problem. That's their problem. Um, so I'm not

1188
01:31:56,735 --> 01:32:00,655
as worried about that part. Um, and if they're too scared to do that job, don't

1189
01:32:01,005 --> 01:32:04,965
do it. That's the reality of that. Um, so I

1190
01:32:05,085 --> 01:32:08,985
would like to seek third party counsel, um, in that means to, to

1191
01:32:09,205 --> 01:32:13,205
get us some more understanding about this ordinance. If we're gonna default to, it's not legal to do.

1192
01:32:13,985 --> 01:32:17,885
um, I think we can follow up and get some additional guidance on this.

1193
01:32:18,755 --> 01:32:22,685
there's been a suggestion of third party counsel, legislator anderson.

1194
01:32:23,625 --> 01:32:26,665
uh, mr. Chairman, I'd like to move to hold ordinance 6 0 5 0

1195
01:32:27,905 --> 01:32:31,365
second. It's been moved and seconded and thirded to hold ordinance 6 0 5 0

1196
01:32:32,425 --> 01:32:35,905
at this time. All those in favor by sign of aye. Aye. Aye.

1197
01:32:36,665 --> 01:32:40,205
aye. I'll abstain. I think the ayes have it

1198
01:32:40,715 --> 01:32:44,685
over the, over the intercom internet there. Uh, legislator smith

1199
01:32:44,965 --> 01:32:48,825
and legislator franklin, are you okay

1200
01:32:49,105 --> 01:32:52,185
with the hold? Hold is fine by me.

1201
01:32:54,285 --> 01:32:58,215
okay. I think that's, I think we should do a roll call though. Alright. If you're

1202
01:32:58,495 --> 01:33:01,955
not sure who is in favor or not, I, we had, um,

1203
01:33:02,965 --> 01:33:06,765
four here that were yes. And legislator franklin makes five. I'll,

1204
01:33:07,055 --> 01:33:09,975
I'll take over. So mary jo, if you call the roll on a hold.

1205
01:33:11,495 --> 01:33:15,045
okay. Anderson? Yes. Peyton? Yes.

1206
01:33:16,075 --> 01:33:19,875
smith? No. Husky?

1207
01:33:20,685 --> 01:33:21,585
yes. Franklin.

1208
01:33:25,385 --> 01:33:28,265
franklin. He's gotta be on video to vote as well.

1209
01:33:31,105 --> 01:33:34,795
I'll come back to him. Okay. Mcgee? Yes. Okay. Got it.

1210
01:33:35,735 --> 01:33:39,015
uh, lauer excused smith? Yes.

1211
01:33:41,345 --> 01:33:45,295
abar? No. Um, can we ask the general

1212
01:33:45,455 --> 01:33:49,175
counsel executive's office five, convene five afterwards and talk about third party counsel options

1213
01:33:49,675 --> 01:33:53,575
for the hold, if that's what everyone prefers. All right. So 60

1214
01:33:53,815 --> 01:33:56,945
50 is currently held, uh, moving on to 60 54,

1215
01:34:01,985 --> 01:34:05,375
requesting a renewal, a conditional use permit, cup and district ag agriculture

1216
01:34:06,015 --> 01:34:09,865
for continuous operation of a horse boarding facility, subject to specify conditions

1217
01:34:10,715 --> 01:34:14,615
as to a 48.09 plus or minus acre track land use committee.

1218
01:34:16,255 --> 01:34:20,115
I report. I was hoping, I'm hoping to,

1219
01:34:20,395 --> 01:34:24,395
uh, perfect all these by a vo vote, voice vote, and then move to

1220
01:34:24,705 --> 01:34:28,125
adopt. Okay. Is there a motion

1221
01:34:29,815 --> 01:34:33,605
we'll move to perfect. Move to perfect. Is there a second?

1222
01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:37,395
okay. It's been moved and seconded. Um, any discussion? Hearing

1223
01:34:37,885 --> 01:34:41,305
none. All those in favor, please indicate by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye.

1224
01:34:41,985 --> 01:34:45,805
aye. All those opposed ayes have it. Ayes do indeed

1225
01:34:46,005 --> 01:34:49,225
have it. 60 55? Nope. Oh, I'd like to if we 6 60, 54.

1226
01:34:50,755 --> 01:34:54,665
move to adopt, please. Second. It's been moved and seconded. Any

1227
01:34:54,885 --> 01:34:58,425
discussion? None.

1228
01:34:58,935 --> 01:35:02,795
all right. Um, all those in, in favor of adopting, I need to, I guess

1229
01:35:02,955 --> 01:35:06,695
we, we need a roll call on that, I believe. Anderson? Yes. Peyton?

1230
01:35:07,295 --> 01:35:10,795
yes. Smith? Yes. Husky? Yes. Franklin?

1231
01:35:12,015 --> 01:35:15,145
yes. Mcgee, lauer smith. Epstein

1232
01:35:18,435 --> 01:35:21,995
abca? Yes. 1, 2, 3. Alright.

1233
01:35:22,705 --> 01:35:26,155
six. Yes. One absent. All right. 60 55.

1234
01:35:28,295 --> 01:35:31,015
one abstain. Okay. 60 55

1235
01:35:32,345 --> 01:35:36,045
for the public. Go ahead. Many the

1236
01:35:36,365 --> 01:35:40,205
zoning district pursuant to the unified development code by rezoning a certain 19.48

1237
01:35:40,965 --> 01:35:44,645
plus or minus ac tract from district ag agriculture dis district

1238
01:35:45,045 --> 01:35:49,005
re residential estates land use committee. Uh, there was a motion.

1239
01:35:49,705 --> 01:35:52,245
yep. Is there a second? Second. Uh, any discussion?

1240
01:35:53,865 --> 01:35:57,705
all right. Seeing none. All those in favor, please indicate by sign of aye. Aye. Aye.

1241
01:35:58,145 --> 01:36:02,085
aye. All those opposed? Aye. Have it ayes do indeed have

1242
01:36:02,325 --> 01:36:06,245
it move, move to adopt. Please moved and seconded.

1243
01:36:06,945 --> 01:36:10,885
any discussion? Hearing none. Uh, mayor joe, you call the

1244
01:36:11,005 --> 01:36:14,905
roll anderson. Yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes.

1245
01:36:15,535 --> 01:36:18,935
husky? Yes. Franklin? Yes. Mcgee

1246
01:36:19,725 --> 01:36:21,885
lauer smith. Ab abstain.

1247
01:36:24,035 --> 01:36:28,005
abca? Yes. Six. Yes. One absent. One excused and one abstaining.

1248
01:36:28,535 --> 01:36:28,535
60 56

1249
01:36:34,535 --> 01:36:38,465
amening the zoning districts established pursuant to the unified development code by rezoning a certain 20.00

1250
01:36:39,665 --> 01:36:43,585
plus or minus sacred tract from district ag agriculture to district r residential ranch at

1251
01:36:43,785 --> 01:36:46,305
land. Use. Committee report from committee

1252
01:36:47,935 --> 01:36:51,105
hearing per fact. Second. Moved in second. And any discussion?

1253
01:36:52,335 --> 01:36:56,125
hearing none. All those in favor, please? About a sign of aye. Aye. Aye.

1254
01:36:56,525 --> 01:37:00,425
aye. All those opposed the ayes have it. The ayes

1255
01:37:00,625 --> 01:37:04,375
do indeed have it. Um, is there another motion? Move

1256
01:37:04,665 --> 01:37:07,065
to adopt. Second. Okay. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?

1257
01:37:08,965 --> 01:37:12,685
all right. Hearing none. Maryjo, please call the roll. Anderson. Yes. Peyton?

1258
01:37:13,445 --> 01:37:16,585
yes. Smith? Yes. Husky? Yes. Franklin?

1259
01:37:17,805 --> 01:37:21,805
yes. Mcgee. Lauer. Smiths epstein

1260
01:37:23,635 --> 01:37:27,085
abar. Yes. Six. Yes. One absent. One excused. One abstained.

1261
01:37:28,015 --> 01:37:31,805
60 57 amening the zoning district established

1262
01:37:32,285 --> 01:37:34,965
pursuant to the unified de code by rezoning a certain 70.00

1263
01:37:36,525 --> 01:37:40,005
plus or minus ac tract from district ag agricultural to district r residential

1264
01:37:40,565 --> 01:37:43,525
ranch at land. Use committee. Report from committee

1265
01:37:45,715 --> 01:37:49,715
fact. Second. It's been moved in. Seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none.

1266
01:37:50,105 --> 01:37:54,045
all those in favor, please indicate by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed

1267
01:37:55,035 --> 01:37:58,205
appears. Aye. Have it? Aye. Do indeed have it? Uh, is there another motion?

1268
01:38:00,065 --> 01:38:03,795
move to move to adopt? Second. Second. Second. Okay. Moved and seconded.

1269
01:38:04,575 --> 01:38:07,755
any discussion? Hearing none. Mary jo, please call the roll.

1270
01:38:08,835 --> 01:38:12,365
anderson. Yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes. Husky?

1271
01:38:12,935 --> 01:38:16,675
yes. Franklin? Yes. Mcgee lauer

1272
01:38:17,205 --> 01:38:20,175
smith. Epstein arka. Yes.

1273
01:38:21,735 --> 01:38:25,685
six. Yes. One absent. One excused and one abstain. 60 58.

1274
01:38:28,875 --> 01:38:32,755
appropriating 3 630 $6,425 from the designated fund

1275
01:38:32,955 --> 01:38:36,755
balance of the 2026 park fund for construction services provided by heartline

1276
01:38:37,395 --> 01:38:41,315
construction of north kansas city, missouri for use by the parks plus rec department. Public works

1277
01:38:41,595 --> 01:38:45,475
committee. Uh, committee did not meet, so it'll be held. Um, moving on

1278
01:38:45,675 --> 01:38:49,595
to 60 59. Submitting to the qualified voters of jackson county, missouri at the

1279
01:38:49,715 --> 01:38:53,395
general election to be held on april 7th, 2026. A question to amend the jackson county

1280
01:38:53,795 --> 01:38:57,795
charter with an effective date intergovernmental affairs committee report from committee committees

1281
01:38:58,435 --> 01:39:00,285
holding. Alright. Committees holding 60 61

1282
01:39:04,755 --> 01:39:08,395
prohibiting all permit and zoning approvals for non county or municipal government owned detention

1283
01:39:09,205 --> 01:39:13,075
facilities. Legislature as a whole. There a motion

1284
01:39:14,225 --> 01:39:17,955
move. I'd like to ask that we get a legal opinion on this one. It feels like

1285
01:39:18,275 --> 01:39:21,995
a violation of the 14th amendment that gives people the right to their property,

1286
01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:25,715
and we are proactively, uh, essentially eliminating,

1287
01:39:26,975 --> 01:39:30,755
uh, the right to use their property as they see fit to every jackson county

1288
01:39:31,395 --> 01:39:35,355
resident and property owner without any due process.

1289
01:39:37,865 --> 01:39:41,595
okay. Any thoughts? So I'd move to hold. Yeah. Okay. Is there

1290
01:39:41,875 --> 01:39:45,565
I second. Okay. Is there move? And second. Any discussion?

1291
01:39:48,895 --> 01:39:52,555
okay. So please roll. Call this one. Mary. June

1292
01:39:53,115 --> 01:39:54,695
anderson. No. Peyton

1293
01:39:57,675 --> 01:40:00,985
on the motion to hold. . Um,

1294
01:40:02,545 --> 01:40:05,535
no. Smith?

1295
01:40:07,635 --> 01:40:10,735
yes. Husky? Yes. Franklin?

1296
01:40:12,675 --> 01:40:16,675
yes. Mcgee lauer smith? Yes.

1297
01:40:18,045 --> 01:40:21,435
abca? No. Four. Yes.

1298
01:40:24,755 --> 01:40:28,185
three. No one absent. One excused.

1299
01:40:29,435 --> 01:40:33,435
remind us, madam clerk, do we have to have a certain number two. We,

1300
01:40:33,675 --> 01:40:37,625
we need a five. Five. Okay. So the hold fails. So, um, other

1301
01:40:37,975 --> 01:40:41,735
actions for ordinance 60 61? Mr. Chairman?

1302
01:40:42,155 --> 01:40:46,095
uh, yes. Legislator anderson. Mr. Chairman, I move to perfect.

1303
01:40:47,005 --> 01:40:49,915
okay. There's a motion to perfect. Is there a second? Second.

1304
01:40:51,125 --> 01:40:54,585
okay. Uh, is there a discussion on the ordinance, mr. Chairman? Yes, mr. Anderson.

1305
01:40:55,425 --> 01:40:59,425
mr. Chairman. Uh, as we have seen over the last, uh,

1306
01:40:59,675 --> 01:41:02,945
year and a half, um, uh, really

1307
01:41:04,235 --> 01:41:07,645
ever since the beginning, the creation of ice, we have seen

1308
01:41:08,385 --> 01:41:12,145
an attack on individuals, uh, human beings

1309
01:41:13,145 --> 01:41:17,025
who may not be american citizens, but are still human beings. At

1310
01:41:17,245 --> 01:41:20,335
the end of the day, the discussions that have gone on today

1311
01:41:21,635 --> 01:41:25,405
have been focused on, uh, not only about if,

1312
01:41:25,965 --> 01:41:29,805
if we, uh, choose to do what is right, whether it is by

1313
01:41:30,085 --> 01:41:34,085
the citizens of jackson county, or, uh, whether that, uh,

1314
01:41:34,355 --> 01:41:37,965
means how we personally feel about what's going on

1315
01:41:38,405 --> 01:41:42,385
in our country. Uh, I believe that both are in one and the same

1316
01:41:43,445 --> 01:41:47,165
as we look at this and we have documentation of

1317
01:41:48,175 --> 01:41:51,845
what has happened, even when these opened up. Uh, some have argued

1318
01:41:52,265 --> 01:41:56,265
about, uh, under, uh, president obama or president bush,

1319
01:41:56,505 --> 01:42:00,405
president obama, president biden, president trump, I

1320
01:42:00,525 --> 01:42:04,245
will say they've all been wrong. They've all been a

1321
01:42:04,645 --> 01:42:08,285
horrible human rights violation and wrong.

1322
01:42:10,425 --> 01:42:13,555
these camps,

1323
01:42:14,635 --> 01:42:16,965
these, uh, uh, uh,

1324
01:42:18,905 --> 01:42:22,905
buildings that the current secretary of the department of homeland security

1325
01:42:23,775 --> 01:42:27,705
uses to parade herself in front of. When you

1326
01:42:27,905 --> 01:42:31,885
have human beings stacked on each other with one

1327
01:42:32,385 --> 01:42:36,025
bathroom, if they're lucky, with one air conditioner, if they're lucky

1328
01:42:37,335 --> 01:42:41,185
with any type of medical aid, if they're lucky, but you

1329
01:42:41,385 --> 01:42:45,325
have thousands and thousands of people being forced into

1330
01:42:46,015 --> 01:42:49,835
a cell and to say, well, they'll be fine. They've

1331
01:42:50,325 --> 01:42:52,945
just broken the law. The reason why

1332
01:42:55,165 --> 01:42:59,005
I believe that this ordinance, I think anything relating to

1333
01:42:59,205 --> 01:43:01,485
the challenges that we face now is so crucial

1334
01:43:03,345 --> 01:43:07,285
is because we are slowly but surely losing our humanity

1335
01:43:07,865 --> 01:43:11,655
in this country. At

1336
01:43:11,895 --> 01:43:15,695
one time in this country, it was illegal for

1337
01:43:15,935 --> 01:43:19,635
my mother to be married to my father. At one time,

1338
01:43:20,775 --> 01:43:24,715
it was illegal for me to exist. One time it was

1339
01:43:24,875 --> 01:43:28,835
illegal for my colleagues on this legislature, the women that are on this

1340
01:43:28,995 --> 01:43:32,195
legislature, to even hold public office or to be able to vote.

1341
01:43:35,995 --> 01:43:39,885
when we look back at our history, and people will say, this is not america. We have done this before,

1342
01:43:41,125 --> 01:43:44,595
, I'm still very proud of my country because

1343
01:43:45,185 --> 01:43:49,085
one thing that my country has decided to do is that even if it is

1344
01:43:49,325 --> 01:43:53,195
a small, and forgive me for the real robert f. Kennedy quote here,

1345
01:43:53,955 --> 01:43:57,725
even if it is a small ripple, it can can create a wave

1346
01:43:58,235 --> 01:43:59,515
that destroys injustice.

1347
01:44:03,875 --> 01:44:07,495
so I will say, so if the federal government

1348
01:44:07,935 --> 01:44:11,815
wants to come for us, so be it. If the state wants to come for

1349
01:44:11,975 --> 01:44:15,805
us, so be it. And let me tell you why. I'm now in my seventh year

1350
01:44:16,355 --> 01:44:19,945
on this legislature, I've been through the fights during

1351
01:44:20,365 --> 01:44:24,115
2020 and the mass mandate I've seen lives destroyed.

1352
01:44:25,875 --> 01:44:28,545
I've seen p advocates, uh, killed.

1353
01:44:30,005 --> 01:44:33,705
I have seen friends who have lost their lives. Not only

1354
01:44:34,595 --> 01:44:38,465
those individuals, and I'm not saying this on behalf of me because I take this on the chin.

1355
01:44:39,175 --> 01:44:41,865
when you serve in public office, you are beholden to the public.

1356
01:44:44,365 --> 01:44:48,365
but when you decide to attack a woman who is dedicated her

1357
01:44:48,585 --> 01:44:51,995
life to being a nurse for well over 45 years,

1358
01:44:53,695 --> 01:44:57,655
and to say that you will find her and that you will do

1359
01:44:58,075 --> 01:45:01,955
terrible things, and when you decide that you'll show up to

1360
01:45:02,395 --> 01:45:06,315
wherever her doctor's appointment is and to do

1361
01:45:06,435 --> 01:45:10,115
unspeakable things, that tells you the mentality

1362
01:45:10,555 --> 01:45:13,855
of those individuals who are anti mask all those years ago.

1363
01:45:15,335 --> 01:45:19,065
and now I find it fascinating, and we now have these same individuals

1364
01:45:20,775 --> 01:45:24,755
who are saying, well, these people will be doxed. Well, these people will face

1365
01:45:25,035 --> 01:45:28,665
all these different challenges. Well, these camps will keep us safe.

1366
01:45:32,535 --> 01:45:36,145
what does not keep the people safe is when fellow citizens

1367
01:45:37,165 --> 01:45:41,005
to say to, even though it is my mother that she should die.

1368
01:45:43,605 --> 01:45:47,215
what does not speak to the advocacy of law and order

1369
01:45:50,335 --> 01:45:52,975
is that individuals are seen as lesser.

1370
01:45:56,035 --> 01:45:59,995
I know the argument will be said again, that this idea that we are impeding on someone's

1371
01:46:00,475 --> 01:46:04,355
right to do what they want with their land. But I will

1372
01:46:04,535 --> 01:46:08,195
say, let jackson county draw the line in the sand.

1373
01:46:10,005 --> 01:46:13,935
because if we look at this as a whole, if we look at the

1374
01:46:14,135 --> 01:46:18,055
amount of children who've been taken in, when we look at the

1375
01:46:18,175 --> 01:46:22,095
amount of those who've been dis who are disabled, who've been taken in and put in

1376
01:46:22,255 --> 01:46:26,215
these camps, if you look at the amount of pregnant women who have

1377
01:46:26,335 --> 01:46:30,195
been put in these camps, if you look at the individual just trying to

1378
01:46:30,635 --> 01:46:34,615
get by in this world, who have been put in these camps, they are

1379
01:46:34,775 --> 01:46:38,495
the vast majority. The president

1380
01:46:38,815 --> 01:46:42,775
has lied. He has lied about what he had

1381
01:46:43,135 --> 01:46:46,975
promised, that these will be criminals and those who threaten our society

1382
01:46:47,455 --> 01:46:47,775
as a whole.

1383
01:46:53,955 --> 01:46:57,275
I know the arguments. I've been here, like I said, seven years, understanding

1384
01:46:58,615 --> 01:47:01,315
how this place works, and I know our limitations.

1385
01:47:03,695 --> 01:47:06,665
but if we refuse to even acknowledge

1386
01:47:08,415 --> 01:47:12,235
to even push back, then what will then be said of us

1387
01:47:13,305 --> 01:47:14,265
when we're no longer here?

1388
01:47:17,475 --> 01:47:21,145
again, many will probably will say, oh, he's just being dramatic.

1389
01:47:22,665 --> 01:47:26,025
referencing slavery, referencing jim crow era laws

1390
01:47:27,785 --> 01:47:31,645
referencing this push by, uh, even during

1391
01:47:31,965 --> 01:47:35,115
the times of busing that we could, uh,

1392
01:47:36,045 --> 01:47:39,975
pick up families and, and, and as so many of the parts down in the

1393
01:47:40,095 --> 01:47:43,975
south wanted to do that, if you were caught a black family

1394
01:47:44,505 --> 01:47:48,255
going into another, uh, school district because the government had

1395
01:47:48,695 --> 01:47:52,405
told you to that we'll put you in a camp, make you feel

1396
01:47:53,045 --> 01:47:56,775
this pain. I urge everyone to read fannie lou

1397
01:47:57,055 --> 01:47:59,495
hamer's statements on that during the sixties.

1398
01:48:01,905 --> 01:48:05,875
this was not that long ago. This should give us great.

1399
01:48:08,525 --> 01:48:09,805
and what we should understand is

1400
01:48:13,785 --> 01:48:16,825
I do not know how

1401
01:48:18,065 --> 01:48:21,965
any individual of this country, or by my faith as a

1402
01:48:22,085 --> 01:48:24,885
christian or even those who are nonbelievers of another faith,

1403
01:48:26,665 --> 01:48:30,605
if you can agree that an individual who's not

1404
01:48:30,765 --> 01:48:34,315
here legally, who is in

1405
01:48:34,895 --> 01:48:38,675
a retirement home and has, uh,

1406
01:48:39,925 --> 01:48:42,855
some sort of a disease that's happened in arizona,

1407
01:48:44,045 --> 01:48:47,995
that individual dragged out, thrown into one

1408
01:48:48,215 --> 01:48:52,045
of these camps and then die because they don't get access to medical care.

1409
01:48:53,255 --> 01:48:56,745
I don't know how an individual can say that. A 5-year-old child,

1410
01:48:57,595 --> 01:49:01,335
the 12-year-old child, the 13-year-old child, the american citizen,

1411
01:49:02,155 --> 01:49:06,135
the american citizen, again, who's been put in these camps because of the color of

1412
01:49:06,335 --> 01:49:09,895
their skin and the language that they speak deserves

1413
01:49:10,455 --> 01:49:13,885
to be in camps where you are not allowed access to medical help,

1414
01:49:14,715 --> 01:49:18,175
access to any constitutional rights, any access to international

1415
01:49:18,875 --> 01:49:22,865
law rights, anything, how we can sit and say,

1416
01:49:24,015 --> 01:49:27,525
well, we have no power. You should just sit by.

1417
01:49:29,585 --> 01:49:32,945
I believe we're better than that. So, mr. Chairman, that is why

1418
01:49:34,065 --> 01:49:36,765
I move that we perfect. Ordinance 6 0 6 1.

1419
01:49:38,665 --> 01:49:42,475
thank you. Other comments from legislators? Mr. Chairman? Uh,

1420
01:49:42,695 --> 01:49:46,455
mr. Vice chair. So, um, for, for our county counselor,

1421
01:49:47,685 --> 01:49:51,525
apparently we're not gonna take the time to get a legal opinion on this one. Um, you signed

1422
01:49:51,845 --> 01:49:55,805
this one. So you consider this to be a lawful ordinance consistent with the constitution of

1423
01:49:55,885 --> 01:49:59,765
the united states? Yes. I do think we have the authority in the

1424
01:49:59,965 --> 01:50:03,875
unincorporated area to ban a zoning situation. Okay.

1425
01:50:04,165 --> 01:50:08,125
whereas if they processed it, that was the ordinance would then apply. That was gonna

1426
01:50:08,245 --> 01:50:12,025
be one of my questions was, was, uh, uh, this only applies to

1427
01:50:12,505 --> 01:50:16,485
unincorporated jackson county. Yeah. I would have

1428
01:50:16,685 --> 01:50:19,725
to review the municipality that they don't have a zoning,

1429
01:50:21,185 --> 01:50:25,025
uh, division. Yeah. Whether or not it applies, but, and, and

1430
01:50:25,345 --> 01:50:29,065
so within unincorporated jackson county, we can preemptively say

1431
01:50:30,305 --> 01:50:34,245
to property owners that they can't use their property

1432
01:50:34,545 --> 01:50:38,485
for a lawful purpose. That, that we as a legislative body happen to have

1433
01:50:38,565 --> 01:50:42,245
an object, an an objection to I think

1434
01:50:42,585 --> 01:50:46,225
so. So without giving them a chance to apply for 'cause 'cause understand there is no

1435
01:50:47,325 --> 01:50:51,005
facility, this is not a question for my colleagues, for the audience. There is no

1436
01:50:51,485 --> 01:50:55,345
facility being contemplated that I'm aware of that's asked for a permit in

1437
01:50:55,565 --> 01:50:58,645
unincorporated jackson county. And we are saying preemptively

1438
01:51:00,015 --> 01:51:04,005
don't bother. We are gonna say no. That feels to me like

1439
01:51:04,285 --> 01:51:07,885
we have reduced property owners' rights, that they bought that

1440
01:51:08,325 --> 01:51:12,285
property. They should have the opportunity to come to us, have due process and say, I want to

1441
01:51:12,405 --> 01:51:16,405
zone this property and have a special use permit for, in this case, a detention

1442
01:51:16,745 --> 01:51:20,705
center. No, nobody's asking for that. But we're preemptively saying to

1443
01:51:20,925 --> 01:51:24,605
every property owner in unincorporated jackson county, you are

1444
01:51:25,005 --> 01:51:28,725
absolutely not allowed to use it that way. I think the authority

1445
01:51:29,305 --> 01:51:33,085
of this elected board can, can do that with the zoning power that it has.

1446
01:51:33,875 --> 01:51:37,845
okay. I, I disagree as a lay person. Uh, it seems

1447
01:51:38,515 --> 01:51:42,455
problematic to me, but, um, I, I think we're gonna, there

1448
01:51:42,805 --> 01:51:45,555
again, have, uh, potentially

1449
01:51:46,885 --> 01:51:50,835
somebody try to litigate that we're gonna take time to litigate something that

1450
01:51:51,565 --> 01:51:55,315
probably wouldn't otherwise have been subject to challenge. Somebody will say, well,

1451
01:51:55,605 --> 01:51:59,605
that's exactly what I was planning to use my property for, and now it's worth less than

1452
01:51:59,885 --> 01:52:03,885
it would've been if I had had that option. And we can, I certainly understand. Be paying them

1453
01:52:04,045 --> 01:52:08,045
damages. So, um, I just wanted to get your clarification that, that

1454
01:52:08,325 --> 01:52:12,325
you signed off on this. You think this is okay? Yes. I think we have

1455
01:52:12,485 --> 01:52:15,995
that authority as an elected body. Thank you. Other

1456
01:52:16,705 --> 01:52:19,805
questions, comments from colleagues? No, uh, online

1457
01:52:20,715 --> 01:52:24,665
legislator smith or franklin? Anything from you all? I'm sorry, I didn't

1458
01:52:24,945 --> 01:52:28,655
realize your hand was up. Legislator smith? Yes. Thank you, mr.

1459
01:52:29,055 --> 01:52:32,595
chairman. Um, mr. Kavinsky, you stated that this was just for

1460
01:52:33,475 --> 01:52:36,005
the unincorporated area that the county owns.

1461
01:52:37,815 --> 01:52:41,735
and my question to you is, do we have a process

1462
01:52:42,045 --> 01:52:45,885
already in place for applicants to submit zoning, uh, special

1463
01:52:46,265 --> 01:52:50,185
use permit zoning applications, all the ones that are listed here in this ordinance? Yes,

1464
01:52:50,405 --> 01:52:53,715
we do. So is there anything stopping,

1465
01:52:54,535 --> 01:52:58,315
uh, a potential applicant who may want to

1466
01:52:58,995 --> 01:53:01,965
put up one of these type of facility facilities from

1467
01:53:03,015 --> 01:53:05,975
applying for, um, a conditional use permit?

1468
01:53:07,195 --> 01:53:10,785
because I don't see that listed in here. I mean, it, it doesn't prevent them from doing so.

1469
01:53:12,245 --> 01:53:15,865
um, but the commission would most likely take into account the ordinances

1470
01:53:16,385 --> 01:53:20,345
passed by this body. Okay. So I

1471
01:53:20,465 --> 01:53:24,145
guess my statement would be to the body that we already have a process in place to vet

1472
01:53:24,805 --> 01:53:28,505
all types of applications, um, that seems to be working

1473
01:53:28,815 --> 01:53:32,625
very well for all types of, uh, rezoning and zoning

1474
01:53:33,015 --> 01:53:36,825
type of projects. So to double down on something that we already have a process

1475
01:53:37,245 --> 01:53:40,445
for, uh, I really don't think there's a need for that.

1476
01:53:52,585 --> 01:53:54,045
any other comments? Ms. Legislator smith?

1477
01:53:57,065 --> 01:54:00,965
all right. Legislator anderson, did you have something you said? Uh, just a quick question.

1478
01:54:01,345 --> 01:54:05,285
um, what did we do in, uh, conjunction

1479
01:54:05,995 --> 01:54:09,765
with, um, the, I know we, we shut down

1480
01:54:10,205 --> 01:54:14,065
a adult entertainment shop, something along those lines. Didn't

1481
01:54:14,485 --> 01:54:18,005
we make it that we can't have any more of those things in unincorporated

1482
01:54:18,645 --> 01:54:22,515
jackson county? Isn't that what that legislation was about? Yeah, it's

1483
01:54:22,805 --> 01:54:26,505
been a number of years. I know we changed the timeframe of when they could, uh,

1484
01:54:27,585 --> 01:54:30,915
be open that, uh, in essence then

1485
01:54:31,685 --> 01:54:35,525
I believe shut it down. But I'd have to look back at the ordinance to remember what specifically

1486
01:54:36,505 --> 01:54:40,075
we wrote specifically on the actual business. Because

1487
01:54:40,645 --> 01:54:44,045
I remember the, the timeframe of when they could be open was an issue.

1488
01:54:45,385 --> 01:54:49,325
and the reason why I brought that up is, again, I,

1489
01:54:49,525 --> 01:54:52,705
I appreciate both smith's statements, but, uh,

1490
01:54:54,025 --> 01:54:57,865
we do this, we, we do this because the

1491
01:54:58,085 --> 01:55:01,845
thing is, is that we knew that that adult, whatever it was,

1492
01:55:02,625 --> 01:55:06,575
was having possibly, well, we,

1493
01:55:07,095 --> 01:55:10,335
it wasn't possibly, it was in the police report that they had,

1494
01:55:11,135 --> 01:55:15,045
uh, uh, underage individuals who were being trafficked, that they had drugs,

1495
01:55:15,665 --> 01:55:19,645
that they were having all these different types of, of, of horrible things going

1496
01:55:19,995 --> 01:55:23,955
on. And we said, you know what? I don't think we should allow this. What's the core issue of

1497
01:55:24,075 --> 01:55:27,835
it? I think we should be done with it. Well, we shouldn't allow that to happen.

1498
01:55:28,375 --> 01:55:32,335
people of blue summit deserve better. So when we decide,

1499
01:55:33,615 --> 01:55:37,435
uh, and I think, forgive, forgive me, I think it was called whatever the spot or something,

1500
01:55:37,955 --> 01:55:41,605
whatever it was, when we say, let's not get too specific,

1501
01:55:42,095 --> 01:55:45,875
we've had this here, here before. Nothing stopped those places from

1502
01:55:46,275 --> 01:55:50,125
keeping their doors open until this body made a

1503
01:55:50,365 --> 01:55:53,735
decision. That's all. Mr. Chairman,

1504
01:55:55,025 --> 01:55:58,835
thank you, mr. Chairman. Uh, vice chair. So in, in

1505
01:55:59,055 --> 01:56:02,245
that instance, there was a business that was violating

1506
01:56:03,195 --> 01:56:06,885
law, and we sought to place restrictions that

1507
01:56:07,205 --> 01:56:11,175
made them less profitable. We didn't tell them that they couldn't

1508
01:56:12,065 --> 01:56:15,815
still have a building. We didn't tell them how they could or couldn't use it,

1509
01:56:16,155 --> 01:56:19,995
but we do that from time to time. Um, generally the,

1510
01:56:20,435 --> 01:56:24,245
the goal of zoning and the goal of, of issuing

1511
01:56:24,805 --> 01:56:28,485
permits is to approve an individual property owner's,

1512
01:56:29,395 --> 01:56:32,735
yes or no. Um, that is very different

1513
01:56:33,605 --> 01:56:36,875
than saying to all property owners, we're going to

1514
01:56:37,695 --> 01:56:41,285
prohibit you from an otherwise lawful use without having seen

1515
01:56:41,725 --> 01:56:45,415
that there was a specific problem with that business owner. So I, I think

1516
01:56:46,035 --> 01:56:49,955
the legislator's, uh, comment is, is, you know, understandable.

1517
01:56:51,535 --> 01:56:55,095
I, I, I see these as distinct things. I see this as a fundamental,

1518
01:56:56,115 --> 01:57:00,065
um, violation and frankly, extremely performative given

1519
01:57:00,415 --> 01:57:04,295
that we have no currently contemplated facilities that anybody's asking

1520
01:57:04,675 --> 01:57:08,595
for a permit for, and that we would've the ability to, to restrict the permit if

1521
01:57:08,815 --> 01:57:12,695
they did choose to apply for it. So, um, it feels like an ordinance without

1522
01:57:12,935 --> 01:57:16,695
a home. And finally, um, mr. Kavinsky, if the federal

1523
01:57:17,055 --> 01:57:20,885
government bought land or took existing land that

1524
01:57:21,175 --> 01:57:24,865
they own inside of jackson county and decided to build

1525
01:57:25,375 --> 01:57:29,215
a detention center, do, do we as a county legislative body,

1526
01:57:29,725 --> 01:57:33,285
have the right to preempt their use of that

1527
01:57:33,895 --> 01:57:37,755
facility for these purposes? Yeah, again, it would be, uh,

1528
01:57:38,025 --> 01:57:41,195
applicable to the unincorporated area, right? So,

1529
01:57:42,115 --> 01:57:45,935
so if an unincorporated jackson county, the federal government owns 40 acres and they decide

1530
01:57:46,215 --> 01:57:50,135
to put a building up and they decide that they wanna keep detainees there, can we

1531
01:57:50,255 --> 01:57:54,165
stop them through a county ordinance? If they, I do think if we have an ordinance

1532
01:57:54,445 --> 01:57:58,445
that says that there could be litigation to support the ordinance and the,

1533
01:57:58,625 --> 01:58:02,425
and the supremacy clause, the united states constitution wouldn't allow them to

1534
01:58:02,645 --> 01:58:06,605
say, this is government property. We own it. We're gonna use it in a lawful manner

1535
01:58:07,225 --> 01:58:11,145
in accordance with federal law as we see fit. I'd have to look into

1536
01:58:11,435 --> 01:58:15,075
it more, more in depth. But we do have the authority to determine

1537
01:58:15,495 --> 01:58:19,235
zoning in the jackson county. And so I do feel strongly that

1538
01:58:19,515 --> 01:58:23,305
we have that ability to do that. Thank you. I'll

1539
01:58:23,595 --> 01:58:24,035
give you this

1540
01:58:27,605 --> 01:58:29,975
quiet. Um, so

1541
01:58:31,655 --> 01:58:35,515
couple things. Um, first I think it's important, again, we think for those

1542
01:58:35,695 --> 01:58:39,505
who are still here, uh, watching this process happen, um, obviously

1543
01:58:40,115 --> 01:58:43,865
this was, uh, a great discussion for both the municipalities who've

1544
01:58:44,285 --> 01:58:48,065
already done this, including kansas city, missouri, and others, um, throughout the country, to

1545
01:58:48,395 --> 01:58:51,985
dictate that we are not gonna allow the caging of people. Um,

1546
01:58:52,445 --> 01:58:56,245
I want to share, um, because although, uh, vice chair smith may not be aware,

1547
01:58:56,985 --> 01:59:00,645
um, I told me directly that they have been pursuing several other

1548
01:59:01,285 --> 01:59:05,245
locations in addition to the one in kansas city, missouri. Um, they are seeking a

1549
01:59:05,685 --> 01:59:09,565
facility that will hold 7,600 people. Uh, ice turns over beds at least

1550
01:59:09,725 --> 01:59:13,605
every 51 days. That is 54,392 people

1551
01:59:13,805 --> 01:59:17,565
that would be effectively detained potentially over a

1552
01:59:17,925 --> 01:59:20,705
year in a facility in jackson county. Um,

1553
01:59:22,615 --> 01:59:26,475
that's a significant amount of population. Um, the reality that

1554
01:59:26,775 --> 01:59:30,715
was said about the population of undocumented immigrants even present, would not

1555
01:59:30,965 --> 01:59:34,825
exist here. Thus, we're looking at regionally grabbing folks from

1556
01:59:35,115 --> 01:59:38,515
their homes, taking them from their family, and incarcerating them,

1557
01:59:39,295 --> 01:59:42,895
um, not deporting them, quickly, incarcerating them. So

1558
01:59:43,655 --> 01:59:46,925
the reality of this situation is going to be of moral,

1559
01:59:47,775 --> 01:59:51,715
uh, suggestion on what you choose to focus your time on. A

1560
01:59:51,835 --> 01:59:55,445
lot of folks are making justifications as to why not. No one yet

1561
01:59:55,885 --> 01:59:59,525
has seemingly said, do you stand for the concentration of

1562
01:59:59,995 --> 02:00:03,885
54,392 people? Yes or

1563
02:00:04,165 --> 02:00:08,125
no? That is a reality. I wouldn't stand for that for a jail, for

1564
02:00:08,345 --> 02:00:12,325
people that would quote unquote be criminals. The reality of

1565
02:00:12,545 --> 02:00:16,105
this situation is far worse than a code or a zoning ordinance

1566
02:00:16,725 --> 02:00:20,665
or not. This is about humanity. This is about what we believe

1567
02:00:20,985 --> 02:00:24,945
democracy will stand on or fall on. I wanna remind

1568
02:00:25,345 --> 02:00:29,245
us about this little piece. Not

1569
02:00:29,465 --> 02:00:33,105
like the brazen giant of great greek fame with conquering

1570
02:00:33,635 --> 02:00:37,125
limbs destroyed from land to land. Here at our sea wash, sunset

1571
02:00:37,835 --> 02:00:41,275
gates shall stand a mighty woman with the torch, whose flame

1572
02:00:42,645 --> 02:00:46,165
is the imprisoned lighting, and her name, mother of exiles

1573
02:00:46,935 --> 02:00:50,845
from her beacon hand glows worldwide, welcome her

1574
02:00:51,145 --> 02:00:54,735
mild eyes command the air breathed harbor that

1575
02:00:55,465 --> 02:00:59,225
twi city's frame keep ancient lands, your storied pump

1576
02:01:00,285 --> 02:01:04,125
cry. She with silent lips. Give me your tired, your pur

1577
02:01:04,575 --> 02:01:07,815
poor, your hurled masses yearning to breathe free.

1578
02:01:09,325 --> 02:01:12,905
the wretched refuse of your teaming shore. Send these,

1579
02:01:13,925 --> 02:01:17,825
the homeless tempest tossed to me. I

1580
02:01:17,945 --> 02:01:20,255
lift my lamp besides the golden door.

1581
02:01:21,965 --> 02:01:25,845
that's the new colossus by emeral lazarus from 1883. That's

1582
02:01:26,465 --> 02:01:29,145
impended and apart of the statue of liberty,

1583
02:01:30,775 --> 02:01:34,435
the reality that in 1883 we had more humanity and dignity

1584
02:01:34,975 --> 02:01:38,555
of people coming to our country than now is atrocious.

1585
02:01:41,225 --> 02:01:44,495
I don't ask you to vote for this because I think it's not duplicative

1586
02:01:45,485 --> 02:01:49,115
or because it's not, uh, impugned to legal

1587
02:01:49,785 --> 02:01:53,705
challenges. I ask you to vote for this because I don't think we should incarcerate

1588
02:01:54,155 --> 02:01:58,145
54,392 people in jackson county, whether that's

1589
02:01:58,385 --> 02:02:02,105
in kansas city, in independence, and anywhere

1590
02:02:02,405 --> 02:02:06,405
in jackson county. Unincorporated or not planned or zoned or not.

1591
02:02:07,005 --> 02:02:09,765
we should not imprison that quantity of people, period.

1592
02:02:11,015 --> 02:02:14,035
thus, I'll ask you to vote for this moratorium.

1593
02:02:15,835 --> 02:02:19,775
and if you don't, I hope the people in this room who stand up

1594
02:02:20,035 --> 02:02:23,815
and ask you to do it, remove you from office. Thank you.

1595
02:02:32,195 --> 02:02:35,875
so shall we go, sir? No, I'd

1596
02:02:36,295 --> 02:02:40,135
like to respond. Mr. Vice chair. So the statue of liberty,

1597
02:02:41,555 --> 02:02:44,895
uh, sits in conjunction with ellis island,

1598
02:02:46,175 --> 02:02:49,375
a place where immigrants came to the united states

1599
02:02:50,435 --> 02:02:54,175
to be lawfully processed, tested for diseases, checked to make

1600
02:02:54,535 --> 02:02:58,335
sure that they were safe to the best of our ability at the time, run background checks

1601
02:02:58,755 --> 02:03:02,615
and understand if they were coming to the united states to be productive members of society.

1602
02:03:04,085 --> 02:03:07,775
that is not what happened over the last four years where we had essentially,

1603
02:03:08,795 --> 02:03:12,275
uh, a unregulated open border

1604
02:03:13,365 --> 02:03:17,045
that has resulted in millions of people entering the country without

1605
02:03:17,535 --> 02:03:21,455
us knowing who they are and the law that allows us

1606
02:03:21,655 --> 02:03:25,415
to deport them through an administrative judge and administrative hearing process.

1607
02:03:26,005 --> 02:03:29,895
like we have administrative hearings for so many things, not through

1608
02:03:30,135 --> 02:03:34,015
the full judicial process, unless exceptions exist from time to time.

1609
02:03:34,745 --> 02:03:38,515
these are very different circumstances. And when you say

1610
02:03:38,875 --> 02:03:42,815
we are not going to have a building here that holds people, what you're saying

1611
02:03:43,115 --> 02:03:46,925
is, we would rather not have this here, well-regulated, well

1612
02:03:47,215 --> 02:03:50,735
understood, well monitored, and instead leave it somewhere

1613
02:03:51,525 --> 02:03:55,375
with less moral people. 'cause the fact is, the federal government,

1614
02:03:56,315 --> 02:04:00,115
if they need to build a facility, will find a place to do it. And

1615
02:04:00,395 --> 02:04:04,085
if you'd rather have that be somewhere that's farther from

1616
02:04:04,615 --> 02:04:07,855
civilization, farther from monitoring, farther

1617
02:04:08,725 --> 02:04:12,595
from keeping an eye on things outside of our zoning and,

1618
02:04:12,995 --> 02:04:16,975
and ability to demand what that facility needs to have, well, then

1619
02:04:17,195 --> 02:04:21,175
you're basically saying that, that you think that not having this

1620
02:04:21,655 --> 02:04:24,815
facility here is gonna keep those things from happening that you've mentioned.

1621
02:04:25,715 --> 02:04:29,645
and the reality is you're just going to put it further into rural america,

1622
02:04:30,485 --> 02:04:34,255
someplace where they're happy to have probably those jobs and those temporary facilities,

1623
02:04:35,275 --> 02:04:38,755
and you're going to place people more at risk. When we legislate,

1624
02:04:39,585 --> 02:04:43,585
we have to think to ourselves, what is the unintended consequence of

1625
02:04:43,805 --> 02:04:47,685
what I'm saying and doing? And the fact is that prohibiting

1626
02:04:48,085 --> 02:04:51,645
these facilities proactively. First off, I disagree with our county counselor,

1627
02:04:52,125 --> 02:04:55,945
and there's several court cases I was just able to find that indicate that the

1628
02:04:56,165 --> 02:05:00,045
federal government can build whatever they want on property that they own, no matter what

1629
02:05:00,245 --> 02:05:04,085
the local zoning ordinances are. Um, but there's also just the

1630
02:05:04,285 --> 02:05:08,205
fact that I think if this is going to happen, I'd much rather have it

1631
02:05:08,365 --> 02:05:12,195
happen near where we can keep an eye on it and have some influence over

1632
02:05:12,485 --> 02:05:15,995
the quality and visibility as opposed to further away.

1633
02:05:16,765 --> 02:05:20,615
I think you're placing people more at risk for performative politics, consistent

1634
02:05:21,355 --> 02:05:25,325
with simply trying to placate people, when in reality

1635
02:05:25,865 --> 02:05:29,295
we need to pass responsible legislation that helps keep people safer

1636
02:05:29,985 --> 02:05:33,845
and doesn't pretend to do things that we simply don't have the authority to do.

1637
02:05:34,225 --> 02:05:37,605
that's all. Thanks. Comments, questions, uh, legislators,

1638
02:05:39,205 --> 02:05:43,165
I just wanted to state for the record that I don't know how you got a background check in 1896

1639
02:05:44,605 --> 02:05:48,525
, um, from anybody who's come from all over the world, but fine. The other

1640
02:05:48,705 --> 02:05:52,595
aspect of this is, is that it, it, it will never stop

1641
02:05:53,075 --> 02:05:56,865
because even if, let's say they build it here and it's a beautiful building and

1642
02:05:57,545 --> 02:06:01,385
by golly, and, and we wanna, we're going to be able to watch it by

1643
02:06:01,605 --> 02:06:05,405
god, we're gonna be able to say, you know what, that doesn't look right. Distill, the same

1644
02:06:06,005 --> 02:06:09,985
argument would happen again. Well, it's the federal government. We

1645
02:06:10,205 --> 02:06:14,095
have no way to change it whatsoever. No matter what, what

1646
02:06:14,385 --> 02:06:18,305
happens. So that's what I asked my friend. What, what would

1647
02:06:18,545 --> 02:06:22,385
happen if the federal government built something, if they built

1648
02:06:22,585 --> 02:06:26,505
something and we didn't like it, what are we gonna do? What would

1649
02:06:26,785 --> 02:06:30,785
a legislative body do if they don't have air conditioning, if they don't

1650
02:06:30,985 --> 02:06:34,975
have restrooms? What are we gonna do? Waiting

1651
02:06:35,575 --> 02:06:39,175
till you're ready. So, oh, please, please, go ahead. Yeah,

1652
02:06:39,645 --> 02:06:43,465
so, so again, we've got a county counselor telling us we can regulate

1653
02:06:43,665 --> 02:06:47,545
things. So we would have the option of trying, as opposed to

1654
02:06:47,885 --> 02:06:51,805
if this is something in, I don't know, let's say cooper county,

1655
02:06:53,375 --> 02:06:57,105
then we have no authority. So would you rather have

1656
02:06:57,385 --> 02:07:01,215
something exist that you might have a chance to regulate and improve? Also,

1657
02:07:01,505 --> 02:07:05,295
we have a very active local media here. We have active people who care

1658
02:07:05,585 --> 02:07:09,365
about immigrants here. If we go far, far out into the country, what's

1659
02:07:09,785 --> 02:07:13,655
the likelihood that that same level of visibility is gonna help keep people safe?

1660
02:07:14,045 --> 02:07:17,925
and the answer is obvious. The answer is, if we ship these people to

1661
02:07:18,145 --> 02:07:22,065
the moon, they're much less safe than if they're here. If we send them to

1662
02:07:22,285 --> 02:07:26,145
cooper county in a detention center where there's very few people keeping

1663
02:07:26,465 --> 02:07:30,125
an eye out for their safety, it's worse. It just is.

1664
02:07:30,565 --> 02:07:34,425
and I know that's not the answer you want because the population has gotten

1665
02:07:34,665 --> 02:07:38,525
worked up about something that they've seen for the most part on tv or social

1666
02:07:38,805 --> 02:07:42,725
media. But the fact is that whatever's happening, if you want

1667
02:07:42,965 --> 02:07:46,905
it to happen in the cold, harsh light of reality, the

1668
02:07:47,125 --> 02:07:50,845
closer it is to being in a media market where people

1669
02:07:51,185 --> 02:07:55,085
pay attention, the better, not the worst. Um, as to the

1670
02:07:55,365 --> 02:07:59,245
question of, of, um, how people were vetted, they, they

1671
02:07:59,525 --> 02:08:03,405
were required to provide information upon their, uh, arrival. And often

1672
02:08:03,755 --> 02:08:07,525
that included letters of recommendation from people who already lived here. Often

1673
02:08:07,805 --> 02:08:11,735
it was families that essentially vouched for their, their peers.

1674
02:08:12,545 --> 02:08:16,515
no, it's not perfect, just like it's not perfect today. People come from places that have very

1675
02:08:16,805 --> 02:08:20,625
little record keeping, and we still accept them, but we do our best. The

1676
02:08:20,845 --> 02:08:24,245
point is, when you just opened the border and had no vetting,

1677
02:08:24,915 --> 02:08:28,825
then you really left us in a very bad place where we have bad people who

1678
02:08:29,045 --> 02:08:32,725
might do bad things. And if we don't provide the resources

1679
02:08:33,385 --> 02:08:37,205
or if we try to restrict the resources of federal government to try to fix the problem that

1680
02:08:37,485 --> 02:08:41,385
was created, then we are doing ourselves a disservice. Mr.

1681
02:08:41,845 --> 02:08:45,165
chairman, and then I'm, I'm I just really quickly,

1682
02:08:46,105 --> 02:08:49,715
um, I appreciate that legislator about, um, that

1683
02:08:50,285 --> 02:08:53,645
somebody could find a letter with them from a family member,

1684
02:08:54,665 --> 02:08:58,605
uh, to hand to the united states government, and they'll let you in,

1685
02:08:59,225 --> 02:09:03,225
uh, because somebody vouched for you. Also, there was no way to verify

1686
02:09:04,105 --> 02:09:06,405
if those individuals just wrote it on the ship.

1687
02:09:10,165 --> 02:09:14,155
there just wasn't. So, uh, and, and also what I think is

1688
02:09:14,355 --> 02:09:17,495
quite interesting in the next breath, you say

1689
02:09:18,425 --> 02:09:21,915
that, well, this can be built here. And as what our county counselor has said,

1690
02:09:22,695 --> 02:09:26,395
uh, we can have control over this. But that's something I didn't say control.

1691
02:09:28,185 --> 02:09:32,075
what do we do then? If someone builds something, we don't like it. What is that? We don't have control over

1692
02:09:32,235 --> 02:09:36,095
it. Well, first off, we would try to use our zoning requirements, but

1693
02:09:36,315 --> 02:09:39,855
you disagree with it and our, and our building requirements, you disagree with what he's saying? No,

1694
02:09:40,475 --> 02:09:44,435
I didn't say we couldn't have somebody request a zoning permit. Tell us what

1695
02:09:44,595 --> 02:09:48,275
the facility's gonna look like. Tell us what, tell us what its characteristics

1696
02:09:49,015 --> 02:09:52,915
are, and then make a zoning decision. I think if we said no, the federal government

1697
02:09:53,435 --> 02:09:57,375
maybe could do it anyway, but at least we would have the opportunity to say yes

1698
02:09:58,415 --> 02:10:02,275
before they just go build whatever inhumane thing that you think they want

1699
02:10:02,515 --> 02:10:06,425
to go build. I, I, it seems obvious to me that

1700
02:10:06,715 --> 02:10:10,585
we would rather have something that we have a little bit of say in potentially than

1701
02:10:10,935 --> 02:10:14,705
no say at all. And a moratorium just says, don't bring it here, send

1702
02:10:14,995 --> 02:10:18,835
it somewhere where people don't care. That's what you're doing. You're saying, we don't want it here, so

1703
02:10:19,295 --> 02:10:22,995
I'm gonna rec they don't. So what I think is interesting is that you mentioned cooper county.

1704
02:10:23,655 --> 02:10:27,595
are you saying to the government of cooper county, they don't care? I'm giving an example. Thank you. I

1705
02:10:27,675 --> 02:10:30,675
just don't need that further away. But what the whole fact of the matter is, let's be honest here.

1706
02:10:32,195 --> 02:10:36,125
republican tactics are what? Being used an open

1707
02:10:36,425 --> 02:10:40,245
border by god, they were sending all of these people, you wouldn't even believe it.

1708
02:10:40,555 --> 02:10:44,435
they're running the streets. We can't even walk outside without running into

1709
02:10:44,925 --> 02:10:48,655
somebody who wants to just take us out. Oh, and you're also influenced, you know, young jalen

1710
02:10:49,205 --> 02:10:53,045
anderson, you're influenced by what the public thinks. Well, my god, what

1711
02:10:53,325 --> 02:10:57,305
an idea. You're influenced by what the public thinks. You're

1712
02:10:57,725 --> 02:11:01,465
influenced by what they've seen on tv. Thank god we have phones now,

1713
02:11:01,755 --> 02:11:05,455
because you know, what we witnessed on a phone is that an individual being

1714
02:11:05,915 --> 02:11:09,845
shot because they were trying to take care of somebody else. Thank god.

1715
02:11:10,345 --> 02:11:14,085
we have this ability to see that when a child is taken into a

1716
02:11:14,445 --> 02:11:18,405
facility and not given medical care or the individual from

1717
02:11:18,685 --> 02:11:22,485
arizona who's taken in without medical care or this us citizen

1718
02:11:22,845 --> 02:11:26,105
that's taken in because of the color of their sin skin, thank god,

1719
02:11:27,955 --> 02:11:31,605
I will say, thank god we can see it. Thank

1720
02:11:32,215 --> 02:11:35,835
god people are outraged because you should be.

1721
02:11:37,155 --> 02:11:41,005
it is not this idea of, well, you know, if you just sit back and, and will

1722
02:11:41,295 --> 02:11:45,295
be able to control all this and will be able to do all these different types of things. We've got the media

1723
02:11:45,605 --> 02:11:49,495
here. The people are everywhere. The people have the

1724
02:11:49,795 --> 02:11:52,775
access to film anything at any time, at any point.

1725
02:11:53,875 --> 02:11:57,675
so let's get around this whole idea of that. Well, we

1726
02:11:57,895 --> 02:12:01,175
would be along with this. We would be the compassionate conservative

1727
02:12:02,115 --> 02:12:04,675
if we could just do it here. No,

1728
02:12:06,435 --> 02:12:10,245
no. They have it in florida. They have it in texas. They

1729
02:12:10,535 --> 02:12:14,485
have plenty, lots more money than this county does. What do they have? What

1730
02:12:14,775 --> 02:12:18,535
have they been able to stop? Nothing. That's what we've seen.

1731
02:12:19,285 --> 02:12:22,975
it's nothing. So why would we let the werewolf

1732
02:12:23,495 --> 02:12:27,315
into the house? Why would we let these people come after all

1733
02:12:27,535 --> 02:12:31,375
of our citizens, those individuals who are part of our community for years and years

1734
02:12:31,575 --> 02:12:35,295
and years, why do we say, well, we tried, we let

1735
02:12:35,655 --> 02:12:39,015
'em on in here, but it just didn't work out. But at least

1736
02:12:39,675 --> 02:12:43,645
we have a medium market. At least we have a possibility of laws

1737
02:12:44,365 --> 02:12:48,175
that we might be able to say. Somebody comes up here and says, oh, don't worry,

1738
02:12:48,705 --> 02:12:52,595
don't worry. We'll be able to get you medical care. Don't worry. We're gonna have a place for

1739
02:12:52,815 --> 02:12:56,695
people to, to, uh, have air conditioning, to have heat, to have an

1740
02:12:56,855 --> 02:13:00,595
actual space to live in. Not treat it just like cattle or

1741
02:13:00,985 --> 02:13:04,975
worse than cattle. But then what happens? They go out and they

1742
02:13:05,095 --> 02:13:08,265
do the complete opposite. I've seen it several times.

1743
02:13:09,175 --> 02:13:12,985
this is a new one. Government people lie to government and this body

1744
02:13:13,805 --> 02:13:14,185
all the time.

1745
02:13:20,515 --> 02:13:23,365
I'll, I'll, I'll, um, I'm done.

1746
02:13:25,105 --> 02:13:28,535
any other comments? Uh, legislator smith. Megan smith.

1747
02:13:29,205 --> 02:13:32,615
sorry. You have your hand up? Yes. Tha thank you, mr. Chairman.

1748
02:13:33,235 --> 02:13:36,885
um, I'll just start by saying I, I do plan to support

1749
02:13:37,375 --> 02:13:40,935
this ordinance, uh, primarily for the reason that the council just stated

1750
02:13:41,685 --> 02:13:45,095
with, um, I mean, I understand that this only impacts the unincorporated area.

1751
02:13:45,875 --> 02:13:49,655
um, and we do have, uh, partnerships with the federal government in unincorporated

1752
02:13:50,295 --> 02:13:54,095
areas. So we would have, if I'm understanding you right, mr. Kavinski,

1753
02:13:54,995 --> 02:13:58,535
uh, some sort of legal standing if that were to ever happen in the unincorporated

1754
02:13:59,215 --> 02:14:03,215
area. So for that reason, I, I will be supportive, but I also think it's important

1755
02:14:03,375 --> 02:14:07,295
to state for the record, um, you know, let's not get to

1756
02:14:08,875 --> 02:14:12,395
q with, you know, with quoting lazarus

1757
02:14:12,885 --> 02:14:16,725
and the statue of liberty. Because just as a, a historical reminder since reciting history

1758
02:14:17,505 --> 02:14:21,245
during that time, there was people who looked like me, who were just fresh out of emancipation

1759
02:14:21,845 --> 02:14:25,645
and dealing with jim crow, who were not welcome in this country and who weren't

1760
02:14:25,885 --> 02:14:29,385
brought, brought here through immigration. Rather, it was forced

1761
02:14:30,085 --> 02:14:34,005
enslavement and forced migration. So I, um, we should tread lightly when we

1762
02:14:34,125 --> 02:14:37,955
start quoting those types of things. They don't apply to everyone. Um, I've

1763
02:14:38,245 --> 02:14:42,205
served for 20 years in this country. I've seen detention centers, I've seen the flaws in them.

1764
02:14:42,905 --> 02:14:46,785
um, our country was just as much flaw then as it's now. So,

1765
02:14:47,065 --> 02:14:50,445
um, I just wanna state that for the record, but I'll be supporting this ordinance.

1766
02:14:53,075 --> 02:14:56,925
any other comment, questions, thoughts? All right. Uh,

1767
02:14:57,195 --> 02:15:00,945
mayor jo, please call the roll. I'm sorry

1768
02:15:01,345 --> 02:15:05,025
I didn't get the mover and seconder on the move. I'm I, second. I was the mover.

1769
02:15:05,715 --> 02:15:09,065
mover and seconder. Okay. Jaylen and donna. Okay. Sorry. Two. This is a perfect

1770
02:15:13,225 --> 02:15:17,145
anderson. Yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes.

1771
02:15:18,375 --> 02:15:21,765
husky. Yes. Franklin? Yes.

1772
02:15:23,235 --> 02:15:26,855
mcgee, lauer smith? No. Abar.

1773
02:15:27,825 --> 02:15:30,785
absolutely. Six. Yes.

1774
02:15:32,185 --> 02:15:35,805
one, no. One abstine. One abstain. Or I'm sorry, one absent. One

1775
02:15:36,405 --> 02:15:40,365
chairman. Yep. I'm to adopt. It's been a motion to adopt. Is

1776
02:15:40,565 --> 02:15:44,555
there? Objection. Objection. Seconded. Wait, what are we doing? There's an objection. Wait,

1777
02:15:44,995 --> 02:15:47,205
what are we doing? Motion to adopt. Move to adopt.

1778
02:15:49,025 --> 02:15:52,595
motion to adopt necessary. Okay. And there's an objection. Okay.

1779
02:15:53,145 --> 02:15:56,805
we are we still on 60 61? Yes. We already,

1780
02:15:57,985 --> 02:16:01,925
we oh, we already, we already, we already perfected it. I thought with the voice vote. Do we not?

1781
02:16:02,345 --> 02:16:06,225
no. No, we not. Okay. No. Okay. Got it. So,

1782
02:16:06,505 --> 02:16:09,605
uh, madam clerk, can you remind us, uh, what an objection dictates

1783
02:16:11,555 --> 02:16:14,965
objection would, would then mean that they need six votes to adopt.

1784
02:16:15,595 --> 02:16:19,285
okay. So there's a motion to second, um, for adoption.

1785
02:16:19,785 --> 02:16:23,685
the motion was, yep. And any discussion? You were the second.

1786
02:16:25,545 --> 02:16:29,005
all right. Uh, mary jo, please call the roll. And sean ob

1787
02:16:29,725 --> 02:16:33,635
objected. Yes. Yes. Okay. So now,

1788
02:16:35,055 --> 02:16:38,795
anderson? Yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes.

1789
02:16:39,945 --> 02:16:43,475
husky? Yes. Franklin? Yes.

1790
02:16:44,545 --> 02:16:48,065
mcgee lauer smith? No. A barca?

1791
02:16:48,855 --> 02:16:52,815
absolutely. Six. Yes. One, no. One absent. One excused. We'll be

1792
02:16:52,895 --> 02:16:56,095
sending that to the county executive for signature. It did pass.

1793
02:16:57,915 --> 02:17:01,695
moving on. Uh, madam

1794
02:17:02,155 --> 02:17:06,095
or mr. Chairman? Yeah. Mr. Franklin. Legislative franklin.

1795
02:17:06,755 --> 02:17:10,635
uh, I re I, uh, move that we waive the reading on 6 0 6 4

1796
02:17:11,965 --> 02:17:15,935
through 6 0 6 8. And that there's gonna be a public hearing

1797
02:17:16,435 --> 02:17:20,095
on all of those on march the 23rd at one o'clock.

1798
02:17:22,505 --> 02:17:26,285
all right, I'll second the waiving. It's been moved in second. Any discussion?

1799
02:17:27,435 --> 02:17:31,365
hearing none. Mary jo, would you, you could just do by voice vote.

1800
02:17:31,665 --> 02:17:35,625
oh, just, okay. All those in favor, please indicate by the sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any

1801
02:17:35,845 --> 02:17:39,805
opposed? Ayes have it. Ayes do indeed have it. Uh, final passage

1802
02:17:40,265 --> 02:17:44,245
of proposed ordinances, 6 0 4 9. Establishing a

1803
02:17:44,365 --> 02:17:48,045
third party monitoring program for jackson county projects and authorizing access for qualified

1804
02:17:48,845 --> 02:17:52,635
contracted third parties to conduct site visits perfected. Move

1805
02:17:52,925 --> 02:17:56,525
to hold second. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?

1806
02:17:58,985 --> 02:18:02,605
all right. Hearing none, um, without any objection, we'll hold,

1807
02:18:03,465 --> 02:18:04,905
uh, resolutions and committee 2, 2, 1 4 9

1808
02:18:07,615 --> 02:18:11,545
approving the 20 26, 20 27 jackson county assessment and equalization maintenance

1809
02:18:12,135 --> 02:18:15,945
plan, legislature as a whole. Uh, there is no report from committee.

1810
02:18:16,525 --> 02:18:20,455
uh, any questions or guidance on the direction for this legislation? I drafted,

1811
02:18:21,205 --> 02:18:25,105
uh, proposed amendment and send it to the county counselor's office late last week. I

1812
02:18:25,225 --> 02:18:28,415
don't know that they've had time to fully vet that and take care of it yet. Okay.

1813
02:18:29,485 --> 02:18:33,345
uh, motion to hold. Moved to hold or second to hold. Moved and seconded.

1814
02:18:33,665 --> 02:18:35,825
all right. Without any objection. We'll hold, uh, 2 2 1 5 0 48 36

1815
02:18:41,185 --> 02:18:45,065
month, I'm sorry. Awarding a 30 month term and supply contract with 3 24 month

1816
02:18:45,265 --> 02:18:48,825
option to extend for the furnishing of information technology, products

1817
02:18:49,305 --> 02:18:52,505
and services for use by various county departments to shi international corporation

1818
02:18:53,325 --> 02:18:57,205
of somerset, new jersey under the terms and conditions of omnia partners. Contract number 2 0 2 4 0 5 6

1819
02:18:59,495 --> 02:19:03,305
dash zero two. An existing competitively big government contract, public works

1820
02:19:03,585 --> 02:19:07,185
committee. Uh, unfortunately the public works committee did not meet today. I understand

1821
02:19:07,625 --> 02:19:11,385
legislative franklin might have a request to withdraw, or, I'm sorry, not

1822
02:19:11,665 --> 02:19:13,615
withdraw. Um, break outta a committee. Discharge.

1823
02:19:16,205 --> 02:19:20,005
remove it. Yeah, take it out if you need. All

1824
02:19:20,225 --> 02:19:23,905
right. No, charlie. Charlie, he didn't say anything. Charlie, charlie, hearing none. Charlie,

1825
02:19:24,685 --> 02:19:28,485
should we whisper? Charlie? Charlie, you're keeping it. Yeah, I guess we'll

1826
02:19:28,805 --> 02:19:32,805
hold at this point. Um, 2, 2 1 5 4. Authorizing the

1827
02:19:33,085 --> 02:19:36,845
prosecuting attorney to execute a one year agreement with the city of green valley with one 12 month option

1828
02:19:37,165 --> 02:19:40,645
to extend, to engage in anti-crime, anti-violence and law enforcement, school-based initiatives

1829
02:19:41,325 --> 02:19:44,895
and purposes. It'll cost the county not to exceed $75,000 anti-crime

1830
02:19:45,565 --> 02:19:48,995
committee report from committee. Committee recommends adoption. Alright.

1831
02:19:50,305 --> 02:19:54,015
any objections? All right. Uh, we'll

1832
02:19:54,365 --> 02:19:58,205
advance, um, that as, uh, the consent

1833
02:19:58,445 --> 02:20:02,005
agenda. I'm sorry. 2, 2, 1 0. Lemme excuse

1834
02:20:02,585 --> 02:20:06,445
one. Um, five seven. Oh, I'm sorry. 2 2 1. Five seven. Thank you. Two seven. Authorizing

1835
02:20:06,645 --> 02:20:10,495
the chair of the jackson county drug task force to execute a legal services agreement with williams and campo

1836
02:20:11,145 --> 02:20:15,045
pc of lee summit, missouri to provide legal services for the task force at a cost the

1837
02:20:15,205 --> 02:20:19,045
county not to exceed $3,500. Anti-crime committee report from, uh, committee.

1838
02:20:19,715 --> 02:20:23,475
committee recommends adoption. All right. Without

1839
02:20:23,965 --> 02:20:26,325
any objection, we'll advance to the consent agenda.

1840
02:20:28,625 --> 02:20:32,605
2 2 1 6 0 authorizing the county council to execute a legal services agreement with

1841
02:20:32,805 --> 02:20:36,685
certain lawyers and law firms at an aggregate cost of the county not to exceed $50,000. Finance

1842
02:20:37,025 --> 02:20:40,685
and audit committee. Um, the committee did not meet.

1843
02:20:41,135 --> 02:20:44,945
there is a request, um, to discharge this, um,

1844
02:20:45,825 --> 02:20:49,725
as the sponsor. I will give that to you, sir. Mr. Chair, I'd like

1845
02:20:49,845 --> 02:20:53,645
to move to discharge, uh, this from committee. It's been

1846
02:20:53,895 --> 02:20:56,015
moved. Is there a second? Second discussion?

1847
02:20:59,465 --> 02:21:02,805
um, I, uh, if I could, mr. Chairman, I'll throw it to general counsel

1848
02:21:03,505 --> 02:21:06,845
or administration to talk about this ordinance a resolution.

1849
02:21:08,995 --> 02:21:12,885
this resolution is to hire grade counsel allison bergman, to help

1850
02:21:13,195 --> 02:21:16,475
with some chapter 100 tax incentive

1851
02:21:17,615 --> 02:21:21,025
legal issues. It has been on the agenda for

1852
02:21:21,655 --> 02:21:25,655
three weeks, maybe, uh, awaiting a committee hearing. Um, there

1853
02:21:26,005 --> 02:21:29,925
was a request, I think, from at least our county executive to add the legislature as a

1854
02:21:30,045 --> 02:21:33,925
means of who can utilize her advisement. So is that something that can be added

1855
02:21:34,145 --> 02:21:37,925
as a friendly amendment or is there, I I don't

1856
02:21:38,165 --> 02:21:41,795
know that it would even need an amendment because it all just goes through the county counselor. So just,

1857
02:21:42,865 --> 02:21:46,765
um, he would direct whatever work the legislature needs, in my opinion.

1858
02:21:47,185 --> 02:21:51,135
but yeah, I, I'm not, say that

1859
02:21:51,255 --> 02:21:54,915
again, I'm sorry. So, in the ordinance or in the resolution, it says specifically that the,

1860
02:21:55,595 --> 02:21:59,575
uh, ms. Bergman's law firm would be accountable to both the county executive and

1861
02:21:59,775 --> 02:22:03,655
general counsel, excluding the legislature. So I just wanna make sure. I think that was a friendly

1862
02:22:03,785 --> 02:22:07,405
suggestion that we add to make sure that we also have the ability to request

1863
02:22:07,895 --> 02:22:11,795
from her what feedback she provides. So

1864
02:22:13,075 --> 02:22:16,975
it directly is opposed to through anyone's office, we, we put this board

1865
02:22:17,465 --> 02:22:21,455
based on the administration's request. Um, you know, they're, they are

1866
02:22:21,755 --> 02:22:25,625
the executive of the administration. So, um,

1867
02:22:26,905 --> 02:22:29,765
you know, it, it's up to what the elected officials would like to do.

1868
02:22:33,945 --> 02:22:37,645
mr. Chair, um, I don't know if you've heard the words, economic development,

1869
02:22:38,685 --> 02:22:42,625
. We haven't been spoken in this courthouse for a lot. Um, this attorney is

1870
02:22:42,845 --> 02:22:46,595
specialized in that, uh, chapter 100 and learn is a very

1871
02:22:46,885 --> 02:22:50,585
good vehicle. And ms. Bergman's firm is, uh, very good at that. Um,

1872
02:22:50,965 --> 02:22:54,645
I, I don't have anything when we asked to, to hire this firm,

1873
02:22:55,225 --> 02:22:59,085
any of that excluded the legislature in any feedback that this law firm would

1874
02:22:59,365 --> 02:23:03,225
give us in any advice that give us in moving forward on anything like that. So,

1875
02:23:03,745 --> 02:23:07,725
um, I, I'm not, I don't have the actual, uh, legislation in front

1876
02:23:07,845 --> 02:23:11,605
of me. I don't, I I hope it doesn't exclude or specifically exclude it. If it does,

1877
02:23:12,405 --> 02:23:16,405
I would ask for a friendly amendment to make sure the legislature, uh, is I, now I have the, the county council

1878
02:23:16,645 --> 02:23:20,645
would say the agent, that, that would report to my office and the county council's office.

1879
02:23:20,685 --> 02:23:24,565
and the county council is also your lawyer also. Uh, so I don't know anything to

1880
02:23:24,765 --> 02:23:28,315
exclude it, but let me go on record, make sure that I don't want any, uh, counsel

1881
02:23:28,865 --> 02:23:32,525
to come in and exclude the legislature from any sort of their feedback or contact.

1882
02:23:33,825 --> 02:23:37,775
I think in, in the past we've had, like when we did the, um, the general

1883
02:23:38,665 --> 02:23:42,205
contract for negotiations with the stadiums, we just listed all three. That way there was no

1884
02:23:42,995 --> 02:23:46,425
discretion one way or another, or, or not. 'cause they're under different administration.

1885
02:23:47,265 --> 02:23:51,165
I think there was some challenges with who, what worked for

1886
02:23:51,645 --> 02:23:55,505
and that interest. I think since it's such a small change, you can just move

1887
02:23:55,745 --> 02:23:59,505
to amend to add the word county legislature. Okay. Wherever it lists

1888
02:23:59,805 --> 02:24:03,265
the other two. Um, I'll make a motion to adopt.

1889
02:24:05,125 --> 02:24:09,085
are we adopting an amendment? You have to accept an amendment. Are we doing an amendment or

1890
02:24:09,725 --> 02:24:13,045
we have had the county executive, um,

1891
02:24:13,775 --> 02:24:17,705
make a statement that on the record, that we would not be excluded

1892
02:24:17,865 --> 02:24:21,745
just as we are not as excluded with our county council. Or do we need an amendment?

1893
02:24:24,505 --> 02:24:28,445
I would like to move that we add the county legislature to

1894
02:24:28,665 --> 02:24:32,345
this. Alright, you second, move in second. It's been moved and seconded to

1895
02:24:32,835 --> 02:24:36,445
amend 2 2 1 16 0 to add the legislature as

1896
02:24:36,985 --> 02:24:40,535
a part of the group that this

1897
02:24:41,025 --> 02:24:45,005
attorney would engage with. Um, all those in favor by sign of aye. Aye.

1898
02:24:45,325 --> 02:24:49,015
aye. Aye. Aye. I think the ayes have it, but just in case. Are there any nays?

1899
02:24:50,385 --> 02:24:54,245
I don't hear any so. We'll, I'll make a motion to adopt as

1900
02:24:54,615 --> 02:24:58,185
amended. It's been moved to adopt as amendment. And seconded.

1901
02:24:59,205 --> 02:25:02,095
um, there's discussion mr. Chair. Have,

1902
02:25:03,565 --> 02:25:07,175
and, uh, mr. Barca, can I give this back to you? Are you done? Okay.

1903
02:25:07,765 --> 02:25:11,425
and then you could, uh, legislative smith, has the motion

1904
02:25:11,815 --> 02:25:15,705
been made to discharge this for from committee? 'cause we're making amendments or

1905
02:25:15,825 --> 02:25:19,185
something that's stuck in committee. Oh, that's a good point. Say that again. Sorry.

1906
02:25:21,085 --> 02:25:24,845
we haven't discharged this from committee yet. And we're making amendments on something

1907
02:25:25,165 --> 02:25:29,085
that is stuck in committee. So procedurally we should discharge it first, make amendments

1908
02:25:29,745 --> 02:25:33,585
and then proceed with adoption. There was a motion

1909
02:25:33,805 --> 02:25:37,605
and a second to discharge. Was there not, not a vote, no.

1910
02:25:37,895 --> 02:25:41,625
okay. I don't have a vote. I don't have a vote issued. So it, it, they breathe.

1911
02:25:42,405 --> 02:25:46,325
so it's been moved and seconded to discharge from committee . I'm gonna pretend I'm

1912
02:25:46,545 --> 02:25:50,465
still the chair 'cause I think that was my miss. Um, all those in

1913
02:25:50,665 --> 02:25:53,705
favor to discharge, uh, from the finance and audit committee.

1914
02:25:54,905 --> 02:25:57,805
resolution 2, 2 1 6 0 by sign of aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

1915
02:25:59,005 --> 02:26:02,265
all those not in favor of discharging from committee

1916
02:26:04,235 --> 02:26:08,225
hearing none. 2, 2, 1. Six zero is discharged from committee. And just to dot

1917
02:26:08,445 --> 02:26:11,925
our I's and cross our t's. Is there a motion to amend to include the legislature,

1918
02:26:12,465 --> 02:26:16,065
mr. Chairman, now that it's been discharged? Mr. Chairman? Yes. Mr. Anderson, uh,

1919
02:26:16,665 --> 02:26:20,065
uh, . Mr. Str, um,

1920
02:26:20,865 --> 02:26:24,505
uh, I'd like to make an amendment that the legislature is added in

1921
02:26:25,055 --> 02:26:28,965
along with the county executive and the counselor's office. You second

1922
02:26:29,985 --> 02:26:33,885
to amend it. It's been moved and seconded to amend it as per mr. Anderson. All

1923
02:26:34,085 --> 02:26:38,055
those in favor by sign? Aye. Aye. Aye. I make a motion to adopt

1924
02:26:38,545 --> 02:26:42,535
as amended. I second it. It's been moved and seconded to adopt

1925
02:26:43,225 --> 02:26:47,225
the as amended and, and now for discussion. And, and

1926
02:26:47,505 --> 02:26:50,985
my, I just have a couple of questions. Yep. Mr. Vice chair. Um,

1927
02:26:51,745 --> 02:26:55,175
and thank you by the way, legislator, uh, megan smith

1928
02:26:56,145 --> 02:27:00,105
for catching that we hadn't discharged it. So my question is, um, did

1929
02:27:00,325 --> 02:27:04,205
we do any kind of a formal selection process or bid process to determine which

1930
02:27:04,765 --> 02:27:08,605
attorney to hire for this purpose? Because I know that there's lots of people

1931
02:27:08,825 --> 02:27:12,725
who kind of specialize in chapter 100. We did. We did not. This is a, a, a

1932
02:27:13,645 --> 02:27:17,565
a firm that we have had contracts with before and they're specialized in

1933
02:27:17,725 --> 02:27:21,025
this is a firm who we chose to go with. Okay. Um,

1934
02:27:22,665 --> 02:27:26,605
so that's just a personal concern for me that we just pick somebody

1935
02:27:26,685 --> 02:27:30,645
that we've worked with before and didn't do any kind of selection process. I know from time to time

1936
02:27:30,805 --> 02:27:34,355
that's necessary. When things are urgent, is there a specific urgency

1937
02:27:34,845 --> 02:27:38,805
associated with this that you can, uh, tell me yes or no? And then if

1938
02:27:38,925 --> 02:27:42,805
so, is it an urgency that you can disclose without creating a problem? Not an urgency. It's based on

1939
02:27:42,965 --> 02:27:46,745
law. Uh, attorney and law firms based on experience and certain issues are

1940
02:27:47,325 --> 02:27:51,245
entirely different than other agencies that are contracting. And it's, it's not apples to oranges.

1941
02:27:52,285 --> 02:27:55,865
um, this firm has been productive in this, have experience in this.

1942
02:27:56,405 --> 02:28:00,215
um, this is the firm that we chose to go with and, and the firm name

1943
02:28:00,565 --> 02:28:04,465
you mentioned a lawyer's name. Is that the firm name? The firm name is specifically

1944
02:28:05,175 --> 02:28:08,585
grid counsel, gray grid, gid.

1945
02:28:09,735 --> 02:28:13,585
okay. So we're contracting with that firm, but we named a particular,

1946
02:28:14,105 --> 02:28:17,885
it's a solo firm individual. It's a solo firm. Solo firm. Got it. Thank you. Um,

1947
02:28:18,565 --> 02:28:22,525
so yeah, that's, that's, it's a concern for me that we are doing a no bid contract

1948
02:28:22,865 --> 02:28:26,725
for $50,000 for an attorney that obviously somebody knows and we've

1949
02:28:26,965 --> 02:28:30,845
done business with in the past. I, um, I know that we do this from

1950
02:28:31,045 --> 02:28:34,405
time to time, but if there's no urgency, I don't understand why we wouldn't have,

1951
02:28:35,185 --> 02:28:38,905
um, sought bids from qualified participants. So

1952
02:28:40,165 --> 02:28:43,715
I, I would just speak to the council is entirely different than,

1953
02:28:44,505 --> 02:28:48,365
uh, any sort of other bid process. Um, they're intangibles that

1954
02:28:48,705 --> 02:28:52,605
as the account executive, I need to choose someone that I'm comfortable with the exact same

1955
02:28:53,105 --> 02:28:57,025
way this legislature would choose and has chosen law firms in

1956
02:28:57,245 --> 02:29:00,685
the past that they were comfortable with. Do you wanna give general counsel

1957
02:29:01,595 --> 02:29:05,465
your opinions on well, the selection of, no, my

1958
02:29:05,845 --> 02:29:09,665
question was actually related to the amendment. I'm looking at the language here and

1959
02:29:09,885 --> 02:29:13,845
it doesn't actually list the county executive anywhere. So I wasn't sure where you

1960
02:29:14,005 --> 02:29:18,005
wanted it to say county legislature, unless I'm yeah. Not looking at

1961
02:29:18,125 --> 02:29:21,945
she should say in the last paragraph, and maybe I'm look obviously on a phone, so maybe I'm missing it.

1962
02:29:23,125 --> 02:29:27,005
I just wanna know exactly where you want it. Just to clarify, did the general counsel wanna provide

1963
02:29:27,325 --> 02:29:30,125
context for a selection of your own legal advisors

1964
02:29:34,775 --> 02:29:38,665
told in here? What I'm afraid that, which, sorry, which

1965
02:29:38,865 --> 02:29:42,685
paragraph did you want in? I'm working on that part. But you wanna give the opinion on the

1966
02:29:43,145 --> 02:29:46,145
selection of the administration's opinion on, uh, legal advisors.

1967
02:29:48,755 --> 02:29:52,505
sorry, I don't think I heard the question. Y you, you all have the ability to choose your

1968
02:29:52,785 --> 02:29:56,065
legal advisors third party counsel, do you? Not

1969
02:29:57,345 --> 02:30:01,185
actually. It, uh, legislator smith is correct, but when time is

1970
02:30:01,385 --> 02:30:05,025
of the essence, many times we can't go through that process. And it is

1971
02:30:05,535 --> 02:30:09,505
discretionary then to not do it that way. And in this specific instance,

1972
02:30:10,205 --> 02:30:13,945
uh, it was conveyed to us that, uh, this firm, the grid council,

1973
02:30:14,965 --> 02:30:18,905
was specifically interested in working with the administration and they had worked

1974
02:30:19,065 --> 02:30:22,885
with them previously. Is was, I know there was a question about the

1975
02:30:23,215 --> 02:30:27,125
exclusivity of the work. Is that a sole source or is this something that's beyond

1976
02:30:27,645 --> 02:30:31,205
normal uniqueness? It's not a so source.

1977
02:30:31,785 --> 02:30:35,145
I mean, the sole source is, is something

1978
02:30:36,095 --> 02:30:39,345
when it's a unique practice. But when you're talking legal profession,

1979
02:30:40,365 --> 02:30:44,305
you want to work with someone who you trust and who you have worked with in the past.

1980
02:30:44,605 --> 02:30:48,505
and so I don't necessarily believe sole source is necessarily applicable

1981
02:30:49,135 --> 02:30:52,945
when you're dealing with someone who is representing the county. You want someone

1982
02:30:53,245 --> 02:30:57,105
you comfortable with, just as an individual would want somebody that they were

1983
02:30:57,265 --> 02:31:01,205
comfortable with. My doctor, if I

1984
02:31:01,325 --> 02:31:05,285
may. Uh, yes. Vice chair. Yeah. That notion. I

1985
02:31:05,445 --> 02:31:09,285
I would say we could say, I wouldn't say be true of a construction project.

1986
02:31:09,705 --> 02:31:13,525
why wouldn't the same be true of picking a janitorial supply vendor? I,

1987
02:31:13,725 --> 02:31:17,585
I mean, I understand lawyers know lawyers, and that's great that we have a lawyer as

1988
02:31:17,805 --> 02:31:21,765
a county executive and we, we have a county counselor's office. I, I just, I think

1989
02:31:21,925 --> 02:31:25,505
that our procurement policies are put in place, um, both to

1990
02:31:25,935 --> 02:31:29,825
avoid the appearance of impropriety and favoritism as

1991
02:31:30,045 --> 02:31:33,965
well as to make sure that, um, we, since we're spending the public's

1992
02:31:34,325 --> 02:31:38,205
money, we entertain the idea of doing business with as

1993
02:31:38,365 --> 02:31:42,185
many people of the public as possible. Otherwise, we're essentially creating an

1994
02:31:42,405 --> 02:31:46,365
exclusive club. If I know somebody at the county, I might get to work with the

1995
02:31:46,485 --> 02:31:50,425
county. Um, I, so I'm really uncomfortable with this the more I hear. So

1996
02:31:51,525 --> 02:31:55,325
I will say the code specifically carves out legal services for that reason.

1997
02:31:55,805 --> 02:31:59,565
I I understand it's not an explicit violation in terms of our code.

1998
02:31:59,985 --> 02:32:03,805
I'm not arguing that. Okay. I'm saying if there's not a specific reason, more so

1999
02:32:04,005 --> 02:32:07,445
than I know the person that I'm comfortable with them, that it makes me very uncomfortable.

2000
02:32:08,605 --> 02:32:12,485
I don't think anyone said they'd know the person legislative smith. And this is why we come before

2001
02:32:12,725 --> 02:32:16,525
this body and this body gets to approve that if they want, don't like the counsel that we're

2002
02:32:16,805 --> 02:32:20,485
suggesting this body can vote that down, but at some point, legal service

2003
02:32:20,825 --> 02:32:24,785
are not like janitorial services. They're not like construction. Those are measurable things

2004
02:32:25,205 --> 02:32:29,165
to do. Legal counsel is important for us to put the trust of faith in

2005
02:32:29,365 --> 02:32:32,785
the, the, uh, reputation and the experience that someone has.

2006
02:32:33,385 --> 02:32:37,365
you can't just bid out, well, you could just bid out for lawyers. You get a first year lawyer,

2007
02:32:37,645 --> 02:32:41,485
come out with cheaper. And that's not how I want to choose when

2008
02:32:41,685 --> 02:32:45,585
I'm representing the people of who I'm having to hire this, I wanna have someone that I, that has

2009
02:32:45,805 --> 02:32:49,565
the experience to work in chapter 100 thing. So it's my position to bring it to you.

2010
02:32:50,105 --> 02:32:54,005
um, it's your position to review it and review this firm. If you don't like

2011
02:32:54,165 --> 02:32:57,885
it, you can vote it up or down. Um, but, but this legal issues are entirely

2012
02:32:58,395 --> 02:33:02,045
different than our procurement processes. They're, they're

2013
02:33:02,805 --> 02:33:06,325
actually being able to evaluate it across the board on the people who provide

2014
02:33:07,685 --> 02:33:11,585
construction and janitorial providing a, a lawyer is not

2015
02:33:11,875 --> 02:33:15,845
able to do that. And so that's my professional opinion that, that this firm would be

2016
02:33:15,965 --> 02:33:19,885
good. The, the professional opinion of the county counselors. Not that I know them. I've never

2017
02:33:20,145 --> 02:33:24,125
worked with this ca this attorney before, but I know what she does. I know experience.

2018
02:33:24,525 --> 02:33:28,485
so, uh, it should not be something you're uncomfortable with. I understand from

2019
02:33:28,725 --> 02:33:32,625
an overview. It is, but this is why I bring this to this legislature for

2020
02:33:32,845 --> 02:33:36,205
your review on this specific agenda. Yeah. And, and in particular

2021
02:33:37,105 --> 02:33:41,105
the fact that it was assigned to a committee and the committee hasn't had a chance to meet yet. Um,

2022
02:33:41,325 --> 02:33:44,815
oftentimes if we're hearing from a vendor, that's when we do it, now all of a sudden we're

2023
02:33:45,845 --> 02:33:49,825
discharging it from the or we have discharged it from the committee. Um, and,

2024
02:33:50,505 --> 02:33:54,045
and just didn't avail ourselves of that opportunity. I'm, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable.

2025
02:33:54,585 --> 02:33:58,365
I'm not trying to convince my colleagues to pass or not pass this. I'm just saying

2026
02:33:58,785 --> 02:34:02,515
for, for me, if there's no urgency and there was no kind

2027
02:34:02,805 --> 02:34:06,605
of broad net cast, whether it's for somebody we're hiring

2028
02:34:07,025 --> 02:34:10,805
or for, in this case, hiring an attorney, that, that just concerns me.

2029
02:34:11,125 --> 02:34:14,965
I I know when we were looking for a new attorney for assessment, um, I had

2030
02:34:15,165 --> 02:34:19,085
some concerns because the person didn't have the right background. But that was the person we could find willing

2031
02:34:19,365 --> 02:34:23,365
to do the work, and ultimately we approved it. But that was after some discussion and some

2032
02:34:23,565 --> 02:34:27,405
opportunity to make sure that, that we were really using the public's money for the,

2033
02:34:27,865 --> 02:34:31,705
for the person who was the best fit, um, and available and willing. Um,

2034
02:34:32,225 --> 02:34:35,985
and, and I understand it's not janitorial services. I I get all that, but,

2035
02:34:36,385 --> 02:34:39,765
uh, it just, it strikes me that, that we skipped the process.

2036
02:34:40,865 --> 02:34:44,705
um, and if you said, well, if we don't, we have to be in court next week for

2037
02:34:45,085 --> 02:34:48,905
x, y, z or we might lose this opportunity to work with somebody who needs to

2038
02:34:49,235 --> 02:34:53,125
work with us on these chapter 100 things. I, I'd say, okay, maybe there's a

2039
02:34:53,245 --> 02:34:55,685
reason. But now we're just urgent because

2040
02:34:57,485 --> 02:35:00,805
I I, I'm just not comfortable with the urgency, given that we kinda skipped the process

2041
02:35:01,995 --> 02:35:05,955
just to respond. We met with this firm in talking about chapter one hundreds over

2042
02:35:06,365 --> 02:35:10,325
a month ago. And, uh, we've been wanting to work on some projects and we've been

2043
02:35:10,405 --> 02:35:14,405
waiting to get it in front of this body. So I, the, if, if you needed another

2044
02:35:14,645 --> 02:35:18,525
week to do something, I'm fine with that. I I was hoping we could get this moving. We get this

2045
02:35:18,835 --> 02:35:22,485
firm on board and start, uh, exploring some of these opportunities

2046
02:35:23,145 --> 02:35:26,835
we have for the county to raise some revenue. I'm not against this sitting

2047
02:35:27,595 --> 02:35:31,565
here for another week or so, but, uh, I didn't know it would have any,

2048
02:35:31,985 --> 02:35:35,965
uh, issues with it. But if it's something you're uncomfortable with, I can definitely inform the,

2049
02:35:36,185 --> 02:35:40,125
the firm that we're gonna go through the committee. Um, I, I,

2050
02:35:40,445 --> 02:35:44,105
I want you to be comfortable with the decisions that I'm making from my office

2051
02:35:44,525 --> 02:35:48,525
that I'm bringing to you. Um, but the, there shouldn't be something that, that concerns

2052
02:35:48,925 --> 02:35:52,765
you. It is of an urgency issue. We're not in court tomorrow, but we wanna move on these

2053
02:35:52,985 --> 02:35:56,845
issues. And we've, uh, met with this firm for over a week. I mean, excuse me, over

2054
02:35:57,125 --> 02:35:58,805
a month and they're ready to go on it.

2055
02:36:03,145 --> 02:36:06,845
any other questions, comments, thoughts? Yes. To inquire

2056
02:36:07,305 --> 02:36:11,205
mr. Chair? Yeah. Uh, legislator smith. Um, I would

2057
02:36:11,365 --> 02:36:14,645
that inquire of, uh, council and administration, uh, because

2058
02:36:15,715 --> 02:36:19,665
like the vice chair, I'm concerned about impropriety as well. Are you aware that the

2059
02:36:20,215 --> 02:36:24,085
individual listed with this firm has political ties to soliciting sitting legislators,

2060
02:36:24,765 --> 02:36:26,925
including campaign donations, things like that?

2061
02:36:30,485 --> 02:36:34,145
are you inquiring of me? Yes. I was asking if you are aware what counsel's

2062
02:36:34,545 --> 02:36:38,105
aware I have no knowledge of this firm being involved in anybody in the legislature. No.

2063
02:36:39,495 --> 02:36:42,465
okay. Well, I think that, that that deserves, uh, further

2064
02:36:43,625 --> 02:36:47,105
investigation. Um, and considering that there's been concerns in the past,

2065
02:36:47,965 --> 02:36:51,665
um, both with this leadership and the leadership from last year, the legislature about

2066
02:36:52,245 --> 02:36:55,585
no bid contracts, um, I think we should follow that same script

2067
02:36:56,375 --> 02:37:00,145
with any contract that we're bidding out. Um, 'cause just by looking at this contract,

2068
02:37:00,695 --> 02:37:04,265
there's no clear scope of work that we're supposed to be expected,

2069
02:37:05,005 --> 02:37:08,655
uh, communication schedule that we're expected throughout this next year.

2070
02:37:09,645 --> 02:37:13,365
um, and that's concerning considering everything else I just mentioned.

2071
02:37:16,125 --> 02:37:19,775
I would assume that if any member of this legislature had any relationship

2072
02:37:20,495 --> 02:37:24,335
with an attorney in a given campaign donations, they would abstain. So I'm not,

2073
02:37:24,635 --> 02:37:28,455
I'm not familiar who you're talking to, but I have the utmost faith in

2074
02:37:28,655 --> 02:37:32,615
the people in this legislative body that they would not vote if they thought there was a conflict of interest.

2075
02:37:33,315 --> 02:37:37,175
I'm not familiar with that at all. This firm was based on their experience and what they've

2076
02:37:37,335 --> 02:37:40,895
done for the county before and the experience they've done in this realm and this

2077
02:37:41,535 --> 02:37:45,355
actually area of the law. And they're, they're very competent in that. I'd

2078
02:37:45,575 --> 02:37:49,575
like to move to hold. There's a motion. Is there a second we can

2079
02:37:49,655 --> 02:37:53,415
hold until we investigate? Second spend moved and seconded.

2080
02:37:53,955 --> 02:37:57,615
any opposition? All right. We'll hold ordinance in legislature

2081
02:37:58,175 --> 02:38:01,895
as a whole. Um, I'm sorry, I lost my place there. 2 2 1 6 0

2082
02:38:02,845 --> 02:38:05,155
will be held in legislature as a whole. Uh, 2 2 1 6 3

2083
02:38:08,455 --> 02:38:12,135
awarding a contract for the furnishing of items for resell by the parks plus rec department of dunlop

2084
02:38:12,495 --> 02:38:15,855
sports of dallas, texas as a proprietary, as proprietary

2085
02:38:16,815 --> 02:38:19,875
purchases public works committee committee did not meet. So it'll be held 2 2 1 6 5

2086
02:38:21,705 --> 02:38:25,335
award, a 12 month contract with three 12 month options to extend for the furnishing of independent

2087
02:38:25,775 --> 02:38:29,655
auditing services for use by the finance and purchasing department to clifton larson, allen,

2088
02:38:30,095 --> 02:38:34,015
llp of kansas city, missouri, under the terms and conditions of request for proposals number 25

2089
02:38:34,415 --> 02:38:38,055
dash 53. And it cost the county for 2026 not to exceed $150,000

2090
02:38:39,295 --> 02:38:43,255
finance and audit committee. Um, the committee did not

2091
02:38:43,415 --> 02:38:47,335
meet. Um, there is an effort to hold this, although I think the finance department

2092
02:38:47,815 --> 02:38:51,645
is asked for us to remove this. I I I'll

2093
02:38:51,935 --> 02:38:55,175
yield to the county executive if he wants to justify and advocate for that effort

2094
02:38:56,595 --> 02:39:00,535
or if we can hold it for another week. It's your prerogative. Yeah. Could we

2095
02:39:00,735 --> 02:39:03,635
hold that? Okay. Uh, will be, it will be held 2 2 1 7 0.

2096
02:39:05,065 --> 02:39:09,055
we're in contract for the purchase of a deep core airier for use by the park plus rec department.

2097
02:39:09,415 --> 02:39:13,255
two for the fred urbana golf course to some north america inc. Valley

2098
02:39:13,615 --> 02:39:17,535
park, missouri, under the terms and conditions of invitation have been number 25 dash five five

2099
02:39:18,075 --> 02:39:22,015
at cost the county not to exceed $52,541. Public works

2100
02:39:22,295 --> 02:39:24,875
committee. Committee did not meet. So this will be held 2 2 1 7 1

2101
02:39:26,385 --> 02:39:30,335
award, a contract for the furnishing of two ford f 600 trucks and installed snow

2102
02:39:31,335 --> 02:39:35,215
snowplow packages for used by the public works department to viking thieves midwest

2103
02:39:35,615 --> 02:39:39,485
of morley, missouri under the terms and conditions set forth inable contract number 0 6 2 2 2 2

2104
02:39:41,695 --> 02:39:45,695
vcm and existing competitively, big government contract and actual cost the county in the amount

2105
02:39:45,855 --> 02:39:49,755
of $287,050 public works committee. Uh,

2106
02:39:49,975 --> 02:39:52,555
the committee did not meet. So we'll hold that. Uh, 2 2 1 7 2

2107
02:39:55,775 --> 02:39:59,415
recognizing the honorarium payments to community volunteers who assisted in the evaluation

2108
02:39:59,975 --> 02:40:03,705
of nonprofit grant applications, legislatures a whole move to adopt. There.

2109
02:40:04,055 --> 02:40:08,045
a second. Second. It's been moved. Objection. Any discussion? There's

2110
02:40:08,535 --> 02:40:12,535
no objection. There's no objection. One objection. Um, and that would mean that

2111
02:40:12,695 --> 02:40:16,425
we need six votes at this point for resolution. Oh, I'm sorry. No

2112
02:40:16,995 --> 02:40:20,915
five votes. My apologies. I'm just not clear on what an objection for resolution does.

2113
02:40:21,465 --> 02:40:23,635
touche. Is there anybody wanna clarify?

2114
02:40:25,655 --> 02:40:29,515
all right, mr. Kavinsky, you take the vote

2115
02:40:30,175 --> 02:40:34,155
at that time, judge, do you not? Yeah. Rather than wait until the confront

2116
02:40:34,315 --> 02:40:38,275
agenda. Okay. Um, so, uh, with that

2117
02:40:38,575 --> 02:40:42,355
we will do a roll call vote. Is there any discussion or point

2118
02:40:42,595 --> 02:40:45,875
of information? Uh, no. Go ahead. Adam clark.

2119
02:40:47,295 --> 02:40:51,235
two thirds majority needed front. Objection, majority. 'cause

2120
02:40:51,315 --> 02:40:54,355
there's an objection, correct. Two thirds majority, which would give us how many votes?

2121
02:40:55,865 --> 02:40:59,725
six. Sit those present tion. That's what it's saying right

2122
02:40:59,965 --> 02:40:59,965
here.

2123
02:41:06,955 --> 02:41:07,665
okay. So

2124
02:41:13,345 --> 02:41:14,045
paying his friend.

2125
02:41:19,595 --> 02:41:22,535
um, I thought, I thought we already voted on that.

2126
02:41:28,015 --> 02:41:28,875
so is it

2127
02:41:40,115 --> 02:41:40,475
a lot of money?

2128
02:41:45,995 --> 02:41:49,725
is this record setting for our longest meeting in like this, this,

2129
02:41:50,395 --> 02:41:54,135
no, not the legislate, but this, this term, this group of legislators.

2130
02:41:54,875 --> 02:41:58,865
no. ? No. No. 'cause we, no. Yes, we've

2131
02:41:59,375 --> 02:42:02,535
had a meeting longer than this order. .

2132
02:42:03,645 --> 02:42:07,525
okay. Come on. Let remember, let's just go on in the back row and get it over with

2133
02:42:08,415 --> 02:42:10,815
a stack of papers. Yeah, there was a stack. Yeah, there was a stack.

2134
02:42:12,575 --> 02:42:16,525
I think I was absent the next day. Yeah, we we had a longer meeting than

2135
02:42:16,815 --> 02:42:20,735
that. Was I remote and on vacation? Because it might seem

2136
02:42:20,935 --> 02:42:24,875
like it's going faster if I had a cocktail. Uh, mme. Clark, go ahead. I'm sorry. Is

2137
02:42:25,095 --> 02:42:28,735
she just objecting to it going on the consent? So she wants a roll call. Is that the objection?

2138
02:42:29,905 --> 02:42:33,825
legislative smith. That's what we're trying to find. Can you repeat that? I didn't hear the

2139
02:42:34,185 --> 02:42:37,805
question. Go ahead and repeat it again, madam clerk. Oh,

2140
02:42:38,995 --> 02:42:42,985
we're wanting to know. Do you, are you just objecting that it goes on to the consent agenda and

2141
02:42:43,185 --> 02:42:47,125
you want a roll call vote? Yes.

2142
02:42:47,345 --> 02:42:49,545
and I wanted to have discussion. That was the point of my objection.

2143
02:42:54,275 --> 02:42:58,085
okay, so, so we'll move on with the vote vote. Uh, we'll, we'll

2144
02:42:58,285 --> 02:43:01,245
give a discussion. So go, go ahead and, uh, discuss legislator smith.

2145
02:43:02,615 --> 02:43:06,255
which one is that? What you okay, well, I just want the point. Oh, go ahead, mr. Chairman legislator.

2146
02:43:07,055 --> 02:43:08,975
megan swift smith. Sorry.

2147
02:43:11,605 --> 02:43:15,325
I just wanted to point out and make the, the body aware that, uh, resolution

2148
02:43:15,665 --> 02:43:19,185
2 2 1 7 2, um, is seriously legally flawed

2149
02:43:19,745 --> 02:43:23,635
as well as ethically flawed, um, legally flawed because it's

2150
02:43:23,925 --> 02:43:26,865
stated and well known that these individuals that were seeking to pay

2151
02:43:28,325 --> 02:43:32,265
are volunteers and they were under no contract, nor were they expecting any type

2152
02:43:32,505 --> 02:43:35,985
of compensation. And so in addition to that,

2153
02:43:36,515 --> 02:43:39,655
there was also an open encumbrance that was created january

2154
02:43:40,605 --> 02:43:44,425
the 27th, um, which is an earmarked amount of money to

2155
02:43:44,625 --> 02:43:48,385
pay someone for that current fiscal year of work. Um, and we know

2156
02:43:48,695 --> 02:43:52,535
that this, uh, quote unquote work that was done by these evaluators was done last

2157
02:43:52,825 --> 02:43:56,615
fiscal year. So to open up another, uh, line

2158
02:43:56,905 --> 02:43:59,745
of, uh, uh, of funding this fiscal year is fiscally improper.

2159
02:44:00,935 --> 02:44:04,825
that violates the, the missouri state statute as well as the missouri constitution

2160
02:44:05,325 --> 02:44:09,225
is fiscal procedures. Um, so if, if that's not

2161
02:44:09,345 --> 02:44:13,075
enough to understand the serious legality of this, uh, the ethical flaws

2162
02:44:14,735 --> 02:44:18,425
of these individuals that we're seeking to pay. Um,

2163
02:44:18,935 --> 02:44:22,765
these specific volunteers have political ties and have made political

2164
02:44:23,245 --> 02:44:27,085
donations to current city members of the legislature, myself included.

2165
02:44:27,665 --> 02:44:31,155
uh, which is why I take this very seriously because I was not involved in selecting

2166
02:44:31,765 --> 02:44:35,665
any of these volunteers. Uh, these volunteers were selected, uh,

2167
02:44:35,945 --> 02:44:39,885
by four members of the legislature, uh, one being the chairman from last

2168
02:44:40,045 --> 02:44:43,245
year, chairman from this year, as well as the budget chair and finance and audit chair.

2169
02:44:44,805 --> 02:44:48,535
and so, um, so go a step further with the,

2170
02:44:48,855 --> 02:44:51,755
uh, impropriety since we, we just stated we didn't like impropriety.

2171
02:44:52,895 --> 02:44:56,875
uh, one of these volunteers is a current treasurer of an active campaign of one of

2172
02:44:56,995 --> 02:45:00,995
our legislators, legislator mcgee. Um, and another is also

2173
02:45:01,355 --> 02:45:05,195
a board member of one of the organizations that received money from those

2174
02:45:05,545 --> 02:45:09,055
evaluations that they did for the arpa funding. So,

2175
02:45:09,695 --> 02:45:13,425
um, considering all of the investigations going on in our metro area

2176
02:45:13,725 --> 02:45:16,965
right now about fiscal impropriety and, and illegality,

2177
02:45:17,915 --> 02:45:21,825
I think we need to tread lightly when we try to do things retroactively that

2178
02:45:22,275 --> 02:45:26,145
we're not legally obligated to do. So I'm not supporting this

2179
02:45:26,465 --> 02:45:30,455
resolution. I forgot the light. Uh, you

2180
02:45:30,695 --> 02:45:34,515
may, if you would forward those over to the general counsel's office for evaluation and then we can take this

2181
02:45:34,715 --> 02:45:38,485
up. I think if there's move to hold. Thank you. Is there a second? Second? Any objection?

2182
02:45:39,345 --> 02:45:42,625
yep. No objection. But I have a question. Yeah. Um,

2183
02:45:43,785 --> 02:45:47,025
can we make publicly known that list of people that would be

2184
02:45:47,845 --> 02:45:51,845
f this were to pass be receiving an honorarium? I think it's within the documents

2185
02:45:52,045 --> 02:45:56,045
already, is it not? No, I don't even see any names. Okay. The answer to that question

2186
02:45:56,185 --> 02:46:00,145
is yes. We can amend this to list the names. There you go. Thank you. Or

2187
02:46:00,445 --> 02:46:04,445
even provide us the names because I don't know the names of everyone

2188
02:46:04,565 --> 02:46:08,445
that was on the committee. And I agree with legislator smith. I would not want

2189
02:46:08,685 --> 02:46:12,565
to do, do anything that would not be ethical. Okay. Agreed.

2190
02:46:13,505 --> 02:46:15,405
all right. So, uh, we will hold, uh, 2 2 1 7 2 2 2 1 7 5

2191
02:46:21,675 --> 02:46:25,495
according a 12 month contract with three 12 month options to extend for training, consulting

2192
02:46:26,445 --> 02:46:30,445
services and software maintenance on the mobile assessor software for use by the

2193
02:46:30,565 --> 02:46:34,325
assessment department to walpert inc. Of dayton, ohio as a sole source purchase

2194
02:46:34,785 --> 02:46:38,645
at actual cost the county in the amount of $114,355 finance

2195
02:46:39,105 --> 02:46:42,975
and audit committee committee did not meet. So this will be held 2 2 1 7 6 award,

2196
02:46:43,325 --> 02:46:47,165
8 36 month contract with three 12 month options to extend for the furnishing of fuel products

2197
02:46:47,605 --> 02:46:51,385
and related services for use by various county departments. Chief frazier oil and lp

2198
02:46:52,105 --> 02:46:56,005
gas company, inc. Of gower, missouri, awarded under the terms and conditions of city of

2199
02:46:56,165 --> 02:47:00,105
kansas city, missouri. Contract number ev 4 0 2 4, an

2200
02:47:00,565 --> 02:47:04,005
existing government contract budget committee, um, report from committee

2201
02:47:04,635 --> 02:47:08,245
committee recommends adoption. All right. Without any objection,

2202
02:47:08,685 --> 02:47:12,565
we will add to the consent agenda 2 2 1 7 7 authorizing the interim director of finance

2203
02:47:12,825 --> 02:47:16,745
and purchasing to issue a check in the amount of $8,330 to

2204
02:47:16,965 --> 02:47:20,925
harvest av solutions of kansas city, missouri for the relocation of meaty equipment

2205
02:47:21,235 --> 02:47:24,285
used in the kansas city legislative assembly area budget committee.

2206
02:47:25,645 --> 02:47:29,605
a report from committee committee recommends adoption without objection. We'll

2207
02:47:29,845 --> 02:47:33,725
add that to the consent agenda. Agenda 2 2 1 7 8 authorizing the county council

2208
02:47:34,025 --> 02:47:37,885
to execute an addendum to the legal services agreement with sherry simkin of lee

2209
02:47:38,045 --> 02:47:41,785
summit, missouri under the terms and conditions of request for qualifications number 24

2210
02:47:42,605 --> 02:47:46,565
dash six and cost the county of $600 per day not to

2211
02:47:46,725 --> 02:47:50,685
exceed $70,000. Finance and audit committee. Committee did not meet. So it'll be held 2 2 1 7 9

2212
02:47:52,245 --> 02:47:56,105
authorizing the county executive to execute a permanent utility easement in favor of spire missouri, inc.

2213
02:47:56,545 --> 02:48:00,365
for a fee payable to the county land use committee. Report from committee

2214
02:48:01,555 --> 02:48:05,465
committee recommends adoption without any objection. We will

2215
02:48:05,605 --> 02:48:06,885
add this to the consent agenda.

2216
02:48:09,735 --> 02:48:10,075
all right, 2 2 1 8 0

2217
02:48:15,095 --> 02:48:19,055
awarding a 24 month term supply contract with two 12 month options to extend for the furnishing of

2218
02:48:19,145 --> 02:48:22,935
ellie webb law enforcement computer information services for use by various county departments

2219
02:48:23,415 --> 02:48:27,395
to the regional justice information service. Regis commission of st.

2220
02:48:27,615 --> 02:48:31,335
louis, missouri is an acquisition from another governmental entity anti-crime committee.

2221
02:48:31,715 --> 02:48:35,415
report from committee. Uh, committee held is held in committee,

2222
02:48:35,905 --> 02:48:39,605
sorry. Uh, 2 2 1 8 1 award, a 12 month term supply

2223
02:48:40,205 --> 02:48:43,925
contract, one 12 month option to extend for dump truck repair for use by the public works department

2224
02:48:44,365 --> 02:48:48,325
to rush truck centers of kansas city, missouri as a sole source purchase public

2225
02:48:48,605 --> 02:48:52,445
works committee committee did not meet. So it's being held 2 2 1 8 2. We're a 24

2226
02:48:52,805 --> 02:48:56,525
month term supply contract. One 12 month option to extend for the furnishing of legal process services

2227
02:48:57,065 --> 02:49:01,005
for use by the family support division of the prosecuting attorney's office to dmb legal

2228
02:49:01,485 --> 02:49:05,485
services of prairie village, kansas. Under the terms and conditions request for proposals number 25

2229
02:49:05,925 --> 02:49:09,685
dash five one budget committee report from committee committee recommends

2230
02:49:10,085 --> 02:49:14,035
adoption 2 2 1 8 3 consent object going to

2231
02:49:14,195 --> 02:49:17,985
the eight two is going to the, oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Sorry. Go to the consent agenda

2232
02:49:18,265 --> 02:49:20,475
without objection. All right. 2 2 1 8 3

2233
02:49:22,495 --> 02:49:26,495
authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental cooperative agreement with the city of oak grove to provide

2234
02:49:27,075 --> 02:49:30,975
for the mill and overlay of pavement on the shared portions of robinson and white roads at

2235
02:49:31,135 --> 02:49:33,055
an actual costa county in the amount of $121,595

2236
02:49:35,515 --> 02:49:39,435
in our governmental affairs committee. Report from committee, uh, committee was

2237
02:49:39,655 --> 02:49:43,015
holding. Alright, onto the consent agenda, madam clerk, I got 2 2 1 7 6 2 2 1 7 7 2 2 1 7 9 2 2 1 8 2.

2238
02:49:47,915 --> 02:49:48,975
is that correct for consent agenda?

2239
02:49:52,045 --> 02:49:53,575
I'll let you read it back if you .

2240
02:49:57,225 --> 02:50:01,155
okay. 2 2 1 5 4 2 2 1 5 7. Okay, so I

2241
02:50:01,235 --> 02:50:01,755
missed one. 5, 4, 5 7.

2242
02:50:05,865 --> 02:50:09,705
okay. 2, 2, 1. Five four. 2, 2, 1. Five seven. Yeah.

2243
02:50:12,175 --> 02:50:15,825
2, 2 1. Seven six. 2 2 1. Seven. Seven. Two two. One. Seven. Nine.

2244
02:50:16,775 --> 02:50:19,825
2 2 1. Eight two. Everybody agree with that? Yes. Alright.

2245
02:50:21,305 --> 02:50:25,215
move to a dot. Is there a second? Second. So moved and seconded. Um,

2246
02:50:25,855 --> 02:50:29,115
any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor? Go ahead. Mary anderson.

2247
02:50:31,095 --> 02:50:35,085
yes. Peyton? Yes. Smith? Yes. Husky?

2248
02:50:35,735 --> 02:50:39,065
yes. Franklin? Yes. Mcgee

2249
02:50:40,415 --> 02:50:44,275
lauer smith? Yes. Abar? Yes. Seven. Yes.

2250
02:50:44,755 --> 02:50:48,575
one absent one excuse, uh, introduction

2251
02:50:48,815 --> 02:50:52,765
of proposed ordinances and assignment to committee. Uh, I see we have none. Madam clerk, are there any add-ons?

2252
02:50:54,475 --> 02:50:56,655
yes, mr. Chairman ordinance 60 69

2253
02:50:58,995 --> 02:51:02,815
and I believe she's gonna be passing those out. All right. Repealing and replacing

2254
02:51:03,495 --> 02:51:07,495
resolution 2 2 1 6 9 date of february 9th, 2026 and appropriating

2255
02:51:07,695 --> 02:51:11,695
$20,683 within the 2026 general fund and awarding a

2256
02:51:12,015 --> 02:51:15,935
contract to lcp tracker of orange, california for an additional

2257
02:51:16,835 --> 02:51:20,775
single software package for use by the compliance review office for nonprofit partnership

2258
02:51:21,415 --> 02:51:23,975
grants and an actual cost of the county in the amount of $20,683

2259
02:51:26,035 --> 02:51:29,835
as a sole source purchase. Uh, introduced by,

2260
02:51:30,445 --> 02:51:34,335
what was that? Myself, manuel barker. Um, I

2261
02:51:34,455 --> 02:51:38,235
think we'll hold this in legislature as a whole, um, so that we can discuss, um,

2262
02:51:38,695 --> 02:51:42,615
I think at this, the next gen of legislative meeting, we'll have the general counsel's office,

2263
02:51:43,115 --> 02:51:46,715
uh, give us an update on that. Uh, for the sake of time though, we'll hold it. Uh,

2264
02:51:47,215 --> 02:51:51,135
introduction to proposed resolutions and assign to committee 2 2 1 8 4 awarding a

2265
02:51:51,375 --> 02:51:55,135
contract for annual software maintenance for used by the collection department to menton technologies

2266
02:51:56,115 --> 02:51:59,215
of niagara falls, new york at an actual cost of the county in the amount of $642,563

2267
02:52:02,195 --> 02:52:05,985
as a sole source purchase introduced by donna peyton. Uh, sign it to finance and

2268
02:52:06,205 --> 02:52:09,955
audit 2 2 1 8 6 awarding a 34 month term supply

2269
02:52:10,515 --> 02:52:14,425
contract with the fur for the furnishing of facility, fire suppression systems, equipment

2270
02:52:15,275 --> 02:52:19,115
software, and related services fu by the public works department. Two. Johnson controls of staples,

2271
02:52:19,595 --> 02:52:22,975
minnesota under the terms and conditions set forth and source wall contract number 1 2 1 0 2 4

2272
02:52:24,475 --> 02:52:28,035
an existing competitively big government contract introduced by manuel barker iv.

2273
02:52:28,575 --> 02:52:29,895
uh, sign of public works 2 2 1 8 7

2274
02:52:32,615 --> 02:52:36,585
award a contract for the purchase of two vehicles for use by the jackson county drug task force. Two

2275
02:52:36,815 --> 02:52:40,805
cohen motors of springfield, llc of springfield, missouri under the terms and

2276
02:52:41,005 --> 02:52:44,945
conditions of state of missouri contract number mc 2 51 82 and

2277
02:52:45,405 --> 02:52:45,625
cc 2 4 1 6 6 2 1 5

2278
02:52:49,885 --> 02:52:53,345
existing competitively, big government contracts in an actual cost of the county in the amount of $99,502

2279
02:52:55,205 --> 02:52:57,945
introduced by manuel barker, iv sign of justice and law 2 2 1 8 8

2280
02:52:59,705 --> 02:53:03,625
we a contract for the purchase of rifles for use by the sheriff's office to

2281
02:53:03,855 --> 02:53:07,485
clyde armory, inc. Of enss, georgia under the terms and conditions of invitation

2282
02:53:07,925 --> 02:53:11,685
to bid number 25 dash five six and cost county not to exceed $83,565

2283
02:53:13,645 --> 02:53:16,285
introduced by manuel barker iv sign of justice and law 2 2 1 8 9

2284
02:53:17,805 --> 02:53:21,685
awarding a contract for the purchase of 3 20 26 ford transit t three

2285
02:53:21,925 --> 02:53:25,125
50 passenger vans for used by the jackson county sheriff's office detention center,

2286
02:53:26,425 --> 02:53:30,365
two midway ford truck center of kansas city, missouri into the terms and conditions of state

2287
02:53:30,565 --> 02:53:32,145
of missouri. Contract number mc 2 5 108 2 1

2288
02:53:35,195 --> 02:53:36,125
dash mc 2 58 2 0 0 1 1.

2289
02:53:39,585 --> 02:53:43,305
an existing competitively big government contract in actual cost of the county in the amount of $230,220

2290
02:53:45,605 --> 02:53:49,295
introduced by manuel barker. The fourth signed justice and law 2 2 1 9 0 award,

2291
02:53:49,725 --> 02:53:53,685
a contract for annual maintenance of the trons recording software for use

2292
02:53:53,885 --> 02:53:57,155
by the recorder of deeds department to tron, inc. Of chicago,

2293
02:53:58,005 --> 02:53:59,805
illinois at an actual cost of the county in the amount of $106,772

2294
02:54:02,465 --> 02:54:06,285
is a sole source purchase introduced by donna peyton. I sign a fine and audit

2295
02:54:06,545 --> 02:54:10,525
2 2 1 9 1 according a 12 month

2296
02:54:10,685 --> 02:54:14,445
term supply contract with three 12 month options to extend for the first unit of t-shirts and wearing appar

2297
02:54:14,785 --> 02:54:18,125
for use by various county departments to exhibit arts llc of wichita, kansas,

2298
02:54:19,005 --> 02:54:22,445
e-a-I-s-l-l-c of atlanta, georgia. And so what llc of lisa,

2299
02:54:23,085 --> 02:54:27,045
missouri to the terms and conditions of invitation to number 25 dash five introduced by

2300
02:54:27,165 --> 02:54:30,805
donna peyton sign of finance and audit 2 2 1 9 2 authorizing the county counsel

2301
02:54:31,315 --> 02:54:35,165
counselor to execute a 12 month contract with one 12 month option to extend

2302
02:54:35,785 --> 02:54:39,725
for legal service to seaforth blumenthal and harris, llc of kansas city, missouri at

2303
02:54:39,975 --> 02:54:43,805
costa county not to exceed $100,000 as a sole source purchase introduced

2304
02:54:44,245 --> 02:54:48,165
by donna payton, uh, sign of finance and audit county executive uh, orders.

2305
02:54:48,455 --> 02:54:50,565
madam clerk, are there any executive orders? Yes, mr. Chairman,

2306
02:54:53,515 --> 02:54:56,795
executive order 26 26 0 5.

2307
02:55:04,025 --> 02:55:07,915
appointment to the community mental health fund board, I hereby make the following appointment to

2308
02:55:08,035 --> 02:55:12,035
the community mental health fund board. Crystal hart johnson is hereby appointed to a new term

2309
02:55:12,255 --> 02:55:16,075
set to expire january 31st, 2029. The seat was previously

2310
02:55:16,355 --> 02:55:20,195
vacant. Ms. Hart johnson's resume is attached. Executive order

2311
02:55:20,395 --> 02:55:24,345
26 0 6. I hereby make the following appointment to the plan commission. Greg

2312
02:55:24,725 --> 02:55:28,195
locke is hereby appointed to a new term to set to expire february 28th, 2030.

2313
02:55:29,935 --> 02:55:32,835
mr. Locke lives in the sixth district and his resume is attached,

2314
02:55:34,455 --> 02:55:38,075
uh, unfinished business. Is there any unfinished business seeing

2315
02:55:38,595 --> 02:55:42,115
non new business? Is there any new business? Um, legislator paid? Yes.

2316
02:55:42,935 --> 02:55:46,855
I would like to ask for an excuse ask that

2317
02:55:47,105 --> 02:55:50,355
legislator duram mcgee be excused. He, um,

2318
02:55:51,115 --> 02:55:54,775
is dealing with some medical concerns today and is unable, was unable to make it.

2319
02:55:56,405 --> 02:55:59,715
thank you. Uh, any additional new business?

2320
02:56:01,225 --> 02:56:05,045
um, I'll, I'll have a piece of new business. Um, we are going to appoint ad hoc committees

2321
02:56:05,445 --> 02:56:09,405
to assist, uh, with, uh, expansion of our efforts to try and

2322
02:56:09,525 --> 02:56:13,365
accomplish, uh, goals that we've all, uh, dictated we, we want as priorities.

2323
02:56:14,305 --> 02:56:17,585
um, worked with the county executive to talk about some of these things. Um, so

2324
02:56:18,425 --> 02:56:22,365
you'll see that. Uh, in addition to that, um, I'm asking advisors to step in to

2325
02:56:22,485 --> 02:56:26,205
help with having seats at the table. Although not voting members, their voices are important

2326
02:56:26,635 --> 02:56:30,405
from representatives of the community. So, uh, you should be expecting that to be coming,

2327
02:56:30,785 --> 02:56:34,285
um, probably now tomorrow. So that, uh, we can give our clerk staff some, some break.

2328
02:56:35,265 --> 02:56:39,125
um, adjournment. So the next legislative meeting is scheduled to be held on

2329
02:56:39,325 --> 02:56:43,135
march 9th, uh, 2026 at 3:00 pm at the eastern jackson county courthouse,

2330
02:56:43,805 --> 02:56:47,565
3 0 8 west kansas independence, missouri. Uh, ground floor legislative

2331
02:56:48,125 --> 02:56:52,125
chambers. Is there a motion to adjourn? Opposed? Second. Moved in.

2332
02:56:52,245 --> 02:56:55,885
seconded. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed,

2333
02:56:56,625 --> 02:57:00,465
sean's opposed? Uh, as of 5 58, we

2334
02:57:00,685 --> 02:57:02,765
are now adjourned. Thank you all for your patience and time.