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We'll rise for the pledge of allegiance and then the invocation by various volumes.

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Let's show some respect, please.

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Thank you.

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Let us welcome to the man in which practice.

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Thank you.

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I have an invite. We're going to tonight. We're going to, I'm going to thank you for all things.

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We thank you for this land and this country, and we thank you for Jackson County.

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But on tonight, we have some things that we need to discuss.

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There are voices that need to be heard.

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God, there's a truth that need to be spoken.

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So on tonight, we're asking for your blessing and your covering and guidance.

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Talk to us as commissioners to do the work of the people in today.

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We thank you. We honor you, Reverend Sue, and your holy and righteous name we do pray. Amen.

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Madam Clerk, could you call the roll?

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Yes, Mr. Chair.

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Commissioner Bear.

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President. Commissioner Wolves. Here. Commissioner Kennedy. Here. Commissioner Duckham.

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Commissioner Poleski. Here. Commissioner Willis. Here. Commissioner William.

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Brother. Commissioner Snow. Here. Chairman Trottwell. Here. We have a forum.

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Entertainment Motion for approval of the agenda. So moved.

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We have a motion and support any items for

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The police in addition are corrections.

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Seeing or hearing none all in favor, please say aye.

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Those are follows same sign.

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We have no awards or recognition this evening.

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Communications and petitions may be presented to the clerk at this time.

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Seeing none.

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We have no special orders nor public hearing.

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We've arrived at public comment.

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Public comment.

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You will give your name.

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Step to the microphone.

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You will have three minutes.

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You do not give that time up to anyone else.

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commissioners will not debate nor answer questions at this time.

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Public comment is now open.

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You didn't even know everyone.

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My name is Amidori Bara.

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I live in some a township.

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I'm here to ask the Jackson County Office of the Sheriff

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to withdraw from the 287G Immigration and Customs Enforcement Program.

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I'm also asking the Jackson County Board of Commissioners

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to initiate a study to assess and determine

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the potential civil and fiscal liabilities

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and responsibilities because of the county's enrollment in the 287G program.

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I do understand the explanations for the enrollment in the program,

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and I know the Office of the Sheriff has made some positive course corrections in the culture of the agency from the previous administration.

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I also appreciate the Office of the Sheriff for their participation in the Safe Program.

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I am asking the Office of the Sheriff to withdraw from the 287G program,

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because I do not think our tax dollars should be invested in a program that puts our

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constitutional protections in danger.

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The fourth amendment of the United States Constitution grants the right of the people

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against unreasonable searches and seizures.

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And enrollment in the 287G program can potentially present the appearance of a welcoming

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community for immigration enforcement actions based on unwarranted documentation.

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No one wants that.

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The 5th and 14th amendments grant every person the protections against being deprived life, liberty, and property without due process of law.

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Enrollment in the 287G program can potentially encourage immigration enforcement in our community to engage people with actions that are outside of that due process.

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No one wants that either.

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I am asking the County Board of Commissioners to perform that your due diligence to identify

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possible liabilities, so our taxpayer dollars can be protected from having to be used

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to resolve responsibilities that may be caused by the enrollment in the 287G program.

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For these reasons, I am asking the Jackson County Office of the Sheriff to withdraw the 287G

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program.

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My name is Becky McKenney, I live in Parma, and I would just like to add my voice to what I'm at or just stated.

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When I look at the Sheriff's website, he talks about his concerns and his good wishes for the community and Jackson County.

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And for Jackson County, there we go. Sorry about that.

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He wants Jackson County to be a safe community to live, work, and play, but the enrollment

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in the 287G program has already made that difficult.

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The Hispanic Heritage Festival last summer was canceled because of the chilling effect

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of that agreement.

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And my concerns are, I understand that this is to focus on those in custody and try to

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ascertain the citizenship status of people who are already in custody.

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But I just have to say that the conduct of ICE throughout the country has not inspired

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confidence, has not helped me to feel as a citizen that our involvement with that organization

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makes this a safer place.

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The reports coming in from around the country about how ISIS conducting itself are alarming.

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And I would like to add my voice to...

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Mr. Ubarra's request that we withdraw from the 287G. Because if we want this to be a safe community to live

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where we can play, this is not an agreement that will help most of us to feel that way. Thank you.

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My name is Tread Traxxler from Summit Township, precinct to delegate. As we begin 2026, I would like to express my thanks to all the commissioners for

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work in governing our county to provide a safe place to live, work and play.

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County parks give us enjoyment of the outdoors.

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You have a lot of the significant resource for our county sheriff's department.

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The freedom we have as citizens of the United States, note that our protections in the

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legal aliens.

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Please be respectful. The freedom we have is citizens of the United States

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depends on the role of law. I appreciate and support Sheriff Shruti and his deputies

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to provide the highest quality law enforcement services to the citizens of Jackson County.

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In the course of duty, this may involve locking up criminals in jail, some of whom may be illegal

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aliens. I approve of cooperating with U.S. immigration and customs enforcement, also known as

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ICE, to hold those criminals for pickup, and I urge the commissioners to support the sheriff

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in his cooperation with ICE. It is for our safety as citizens. Thank you.

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Good evening, commissioners. My name is Cole Mackeldany, and I'm a lifelong fourth generation

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Jackson County resident. I'm asking you commissioners to withdraw from the 287G program.

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My great grandfather came here from a small hamlet outside Paduka Kentucky for a union job

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at the Good Year factory. The kind of job that allowed many families like mine and others

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to put down roots here to thrive here and to call this place home for more than 70 years.

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It's a testament to how Jackson County gave working people a chance to build stable lives.

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And it is that legacy that has always allowed me to hold my head high even when the perceptions and stereotypes of us held by our neighbors across the state have tried to convince me otherwise.

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I'm proud to be from here. If anything Jackson has a moral legacy to uphold.

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I'm sure I don't need to remind you all, but across the city are plaques honoring residents who served as stewards of the underground railroad.

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people who knowingly broke federal laws at the time to help others escape in

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slavemen. We rightfully celebrate them today because they understood that the law

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is not the same thing as justice. History matters because today Jackson County is

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choosing to align itself with federal immigration enforcement through a

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287G agreement making us the first county in Michigan to do so. This is a

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significant blood on our history and a moral embarrassment to the people who live

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here. Let me make myself clear, this agreement does not serve Jackson County. It serves Washington.

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The federal government does not live with the consequences of this policy. We do. When

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local law enforcement is turned into an arm of federal immigration enforcement, there is

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not an ounce of trust, left for officers of the law. People will stop reporting crimes and

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It will become apparent that the officers of the law here do not serve public safety, but the

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interests of a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats and fat cat elites staffing the White House all

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the way over in Washington. And for what? The federal government has failed or more often than

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not not even attempted to lend a hand or come close to fixing our problems in this county. It is

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failed to address housing, addiction, and economic insecurity in this county for as long as I have

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live. I have zero faith out sourcing in four seconds.

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Three minutes. Thirty seconds. This agreement diverts local resources away from real problems here.

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Problems that we deal with every day in order to carry out federal priorities that do not reflect our values or our beliefs.

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I'm asking you as commissioners to reject federal pressure, protect local trust, and focus on the safety and dignity of the people who actually live in this county.

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Jackson has been on the right side of history before.

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Do not let this be the moment that we step off it.

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Thank you.

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Hi everyone.

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My name is Amanda Miller.

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I'm a professor at Wayne State University and a Jackson community member.

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I live in Henrietta Township.

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Two decades of re.

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Two decades of research, which includes studies prior to the Trump administration's expansion of the program,

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have shown that 287G programs encourage racial profiling, strips of liberties, waste-tax-pairs

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money, and result in wrongful detentions. Considering safety and security research shows

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how the results of these 287G task force agreements have no impact on crime. In fact, these

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agreements result in city climates that instill fear and prevent immigrants from reporting

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crimes and working with the police. Numerous studies show that this program, these programs

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hurt public safety because community members, regardless of citizenship status, worry that

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calling 911 could result in a family member or friend being deported.

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287G agreements do not reduce crime even though enhancing public safety is a state of

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goal of their expansion. Considering skills and knowledge many law enforcement leaders oppose

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287G agreements because they drain local resources are a ways to police officer and prison

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staff time and have resulted in costly lawsuits for constitutional rights violations, including

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wrong, wrongly holding US citizens. Furthermore, these leaders know that police officers

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and prison employees are not immigration experts. They do not have the training or resources

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to enforce a federal deportation agenda. Notably, racial profiling is rife in jails and prisons

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across the US and Jackson County is not an exception. The dangers of wrongly and or violently

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holding black and brown human beings will only be multiplied with the warrant servicer officer

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program agreement. Considering community and care, the board of county, the board of county

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commissioners and the office of the sheriff have a duty to be accountable to the people of Jackson

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County. We know that local law enforcement and jail and prison employees become entangled with

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federal immigration enforcement, decreased public safety and community trust. As a community member,

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I demand the board and the office of the sheriff reconsider and abolished their warrant service officer program 280C 280G 2807G agreement with ICE and never sign another 2807G agreement with ICE again.

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I will not witness the violence of mass deportation squads anywhere in my community 30 seconds.

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Thank you for your time.

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Oh, I am, hello. I am from District 1 of my name, a Sasha Grundell, and without the intention of

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centering myself within this conversation, but simply as a means of juxtaposition,

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my name, among other definitions, means defender of man. And although I am currently not standing

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within a literal active battlefield, I am still managing to live more up to my name than any ice

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agent has ever done or will ever do. Statistically, ice does not make us safer and only divides

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that there is on us and of them.

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Renee Good was not the first nor if we allow it, we'll be the last murder at the hands of

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a glorified terror machine.

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I'm not sure why it took us to her name for all of us to be shocked when there are countless

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more abused before her but sure.

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Let's use her as an example of a person we only knew was a person because of ISIS frequent

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and baked in abuse.

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Not to center myself again, but I remember back in 10th grade learning about World War II.

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We all learned how it began, specifically with promises that citizen check-ins and police training were

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exclusively for deportation efforts. We were all taught the timeline of public safety efforts into

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Minnesota and door-to-door checks into alligator-death role camps. And we were all promised as children

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that we would never let this happen again. We were told that the reason we were being taught this in the first

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place was so that we couldn't sure that it never happened again. But as I've been wearing witness to

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far too long of a time period now, never again is just a mantra people utter to themselves

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as we go to sleep every night to alleviate ourselves of all responsibility and assure ourselves

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that we are good people without actually ever doing anything. So don't forget to set your alarms

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tonight. I'm sure you've got more important things to worry about, right? I wonder what alarm

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Renee had set next? Was it to go to work the next day? Perhaps it was an alarm to drop her child off

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at school? Maybe it was to write that poem she's been meaning to write for months now.

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When is your alarm set to ring? In case it wasn't clear, I am here to voice my opposition to

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ISIS involvement in Jackson, and frankly, anywhere. I encourage Jackson to withdraw from 2-8-7-G

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agreements with them. Our current federal administration has already made it abundantly clear

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through calls of absolute immunity for a murder and broad daylight and not even feeling it necessary

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to comment on other isotrassities taking place every single day that ice makes nobody safer and in

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shape or form, do they want to be defenders of man? They want to reflect a department of war.

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I implore you not to welcome ICE into Jackson through more means of any agreement.

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People are scared and given the evidence justifiably so.

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My name is Stephanie. I live down the street on Michigan Avenue.

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And honestly, I wish I did not feel compelled to be here to talk about the issue of ICE

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in here in our city. I married while I lived in Central America. I have children and other family

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members who don't look like me and many of them don't talk like me. My son today is a soldier

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at Fort Bliss. My daughter lives in DC and was employed by the House of Representatives on January 6th.

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Currently, she's a policy specialist in lobbies on Capitol Hill from advocacy advocacy agency

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for victims of domestic violence and they are dealing with TV victims today who are violated by

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ice Minnesota that was today. I have other family members who are in the national garden. I

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cannot tell you how complicated that is. My naturalized family members are afraid to seek medical care,

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pick up a prescription and are in constant fear of their businesses being targeted. Ice will never

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recruit the best when the lure is the power of a uniform or a mask, a gun, and a $50,000 bonus.

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Good evening, my name is Rebecca Toby and I personally feel like the job of local law enforcement is to protect all the residents regardless of their status.

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If immigrants of fear that calling 911 will lead to deportation, they're not going to report crimes and it makes all of us less safe.

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ICE Tactics in particular are really scary, and they undermine local efforts for a

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law enforcement to build community trust. What will the relationship between

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local law enforcement and the community be when ICE leaves is 287G is not worth it?

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Thank you.

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Good evening commissioners. My name is Sally Ann Thompson, and I am a resident

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of the city of Jackson. I will thank you. I'd say that I would like to agree with everyone

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that has stepped before me to oppose ice being in the city of Jackson or any agreement

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that we have current hoping that it can be dissolved. In our state of Michigan, we have 1.2

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to 1.3 percent of our population that are undocumented immigrants. And that's a population of

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10.14 million. So only about 90 to maybe 110,000 undocumented immigrants are even in our state.

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In the city of Jackson, we have 617 foreign-born citizens living here. That includes citizens

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that are documented, citizens that have been naturalized, and, yes, probably some undocumented

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citizens.

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Now, for the percentage of people in Jackson County that we have, that might be undocumented,

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might be less than the people in this room.

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And in my opinion, our current criminal system, if we have undocumented criminals in our

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Our police force and our sheriff department concurrently handled them and would know about them to

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deport them.

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We do not need a very expensive tax paying battalion of ice agents disrupting our city

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for less than the amount of people in this room.

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I would hope that we could do better than that in our community and we could spend our

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extra dollars a lot better than that, book federally and statewide. Thank you.

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Hi, my name is Lee Brown. I'm a lifelong resident of Jackson County. I currently reside in Summit Township, precinct 3.

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I'd like to thank the commissioners for giving us this opportunity to address you about this issue.

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And I'd also like to thank everybody that's my name. Look at this. This is awesome.

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You know, these people are the voice to the voice list.

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Early last year, I became aware the Jackson County came the first county in Michigan

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to sign a 287 agreement with ICE and at that time I didn't honestly pay much attention

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to it.

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I didn't like it but compared to everything else going on in our country, it didn't feel

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like it was that big of a deal.

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Until recently, when I along with millions of other people witnessed what is now going

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on Minnesota, put it simply, it's sickening.

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However, it ignited my need to do my civic duty and speak up.

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It's my understanding that the sheriff department needs money.

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The jails need repair and upgrading.

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They've reduced the amount of officers and they need to prioritize response to calls.

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The last three-millage requests for funding were defeated because basically people don't like tax increases.

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I'd rather than cost around $90 per day to incarcerate a person in the Jackson County jail.

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And that ICE only reimbursees only a fraction of all the cost associated with a 287G while their current annual budget is around 30 billion dollars, which also is paid by our taxes.

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I believe given the fact that there seems to be no accountability on behalf of ICE, that the current agreement will harm the public trust here in Jackson County, and that we shouldn't have to absorb more cost.

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So I ask that our county commissioners do the right thing and vote to reason resend to 87G.

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Thank you very much.

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Hi, I'm Heather Collaga.

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I'm a resident of Jackson County in the fifth district.

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I'm concerned about weakened trust between our community and our local law enforcement

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with the agreement that our city has made to assist ICE.

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When our local police force starts aligning themselves with unidentified masked agents

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in tactical gear who surge into communities, raising levels of hostility wherever they go,

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whether that alignment is active or passive, it will result in a lack of trust, police,

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and a pretty serve. We want our police to be embraced and accepted within our community.

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We want our people to have a level of trust with police, so that people report crimes and emergencies

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will not be afraid to come forward. It doesn't matter if we will just stick to what is happening.

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It doesn't matter if a disagreement with ICE is limited. It doesn't matter if a police

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aren't going to be asked to knock on doors themselves or ask for identification themselves

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on somewhere. It is the alignment and cooperation of our local police with ICE and how our immigrant

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communities and their neighbors and friends feel about that. Watching the events unfold in Minneapolis

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and seeing their police chief stand up and denounce those actions of violence, much so empowering

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and uplifting for the people of that city, because eventually ICE is going to be gone.

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And what are the people of those communities going to remember when ICE is nothing more than a

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bad dream in our nation's past? What they are going to remember is that their police were on the

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side of peace and trust and safety in their communities. They are going to remember that the local

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please weren't the bad guys.

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That's what we want to have happen in Jackson.

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We want our citizens to see our community leaders

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are also watching the national stage.

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We want your response to be that you lead our city

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away from the turmoil that the presence of ice brings

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to a city.

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And when that happens, we can share you.

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We are here today because we see the trust

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in law enforcement of all kinds of crumbling.

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And we don't want that to happen in the city of Jackson.

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When our leaders remove us from this agreement with ICE, the citizens of Jackson are going

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to look back at this time in our history and be proud of our police force connected

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to our police force and supportive of the vital work promoting peace and safety in our communities.

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Please vote to end the 27G immigration enforcement program agreement with ICE, the public, your public

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It's not one it to continue, thank you.

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Excuse me for all who's going to speak.

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Try to stay about an inch or two away from the mic because you want to be picked up nicely.

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And because it's all recorded for YouTube, you'll be able to see it later and hear it.

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But if you're too close, it starts to do all that.

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Am I good?

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You're good.

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Good evening.

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My name is Sandra Place.

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Some of you may remember me.

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I'm a member of your constituency and a tax paying member of our community residing in some

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township.

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I'm also someone who is committed their work life to uplifting the uplifting of those

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who are aged, abused, marginalized, and mistreated.

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The 287G contract renewal with ICE concerns me greatly.

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great way. According to M. Live, the Hispanic Heritage Festival in Jackson was cancelled out of fear

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because ICE consistently uses racial profiling which they felt threatened the safety of our citizens

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and those becoming naturalized citizens. How many more festivals will be cancelled from fear.

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Your constituency knows ICE's violated civil state constitutional law and human rights repeatedly

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And those there is no framework for ICE's accountability.

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They have been allowed free reign and brutality committed by them is ignored.

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Congressional representatives were denied access to the Renee Good Murder Investigation.

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Individuals have been shot, injured, killed, brutalized.

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ICE does not follow federal rules or the requirements of the immigration and nationality act,

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which both the immigrating and ICE have to follow.

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My question is, why would we want to tarnish the good work of our Jackson County officers

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by doing ICE's work for them and opening up to the liability that ICE does not carry?

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We were the first in the state to sign a 287G contract to help with ICE's work.

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At that time, it probably seemed like the right thing to do.

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Now, there is enough evidence to reconsider who we want to do business with.

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These are the things that I would like you to consider.

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County budget, who's paying for what?

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We don't have the money to fix our jail and jacksonians are already saying that holding people in our jail is inhumane.

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So why do this?

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Who will do this work?

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Isn't it true that the current workforce is short-staffed?

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Is it well-known?

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It is well known that the ICE recruits already in law enforcement by offering huge wage

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increases to them.

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Tax dollars?

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I do not hesitate to say that I want none of my tax dollars.

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30 seconds, ma'am.

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What's our liability?

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All of it.

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Ethics and morality?

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Where is it?

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I cannot in any way see ethics, morality, and law abiding following in this.

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Aligning with ICE is aligning with Mayhem. I know as a citizen of this county, I cannot see any good come from this, and I can see much harm coming for our citizens if the alignment continues. I thank you for your time and consideration.

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My name is Cassie Jacobassi and my family and I recently moved back into the area and we were happy to do so. I appreciate your time and that most of you are actively listening and paying attention to our comments.

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I'm increasingly worried for the safety of our community.

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I'm urging the Office of the Sheriff and County Commissioners to withdraw from the 287G program and to not participate in any deals or partnerships with the immigration and customs enforcement.

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Participation in any such partnership is a direct threat to our community.

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ICE agents are no longer respecting the Constitution and have continually shown that they believe

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to be above the law when they kidnap people from the streets and now from their homes.

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In addition to traumatizing community members including innocent children, cooperating,

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poses an unnecessary burden on an already short staffed and underfunded local law enforcement,

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Participation in 287 in the 287G program and cooperation with ICE, further puts our entire community at risk when people become terrified to call for help when an emergency of any kind arises.

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Your duty is to protect and serve. I urge you to remember it is to this community and all of its members that you have that duty. Please help keep us all safe and withdraw from 287G. Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Ethan Winri. I've been a resident of Jackson for a long time. I live in Black

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Wind Township. I'm a union organizer and my wife is an immigrant just recently moved to America.

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And, you know, ultimately, I just every time that we leave the house, I have to remind my wife to make sure she has all of her documents.

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to make sure that if for some reason the share of

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office or ICE were to show up, we would be all good.

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And even then, I have fear, right, because that doesn't being

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documented, doesn't defend you at this point.

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And it just concerns me that Jackson County, a place where I've

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lived for a long time, a place where I pay my taxes to a place

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that I enjoy living, a place that I wanted to bring my wife to,

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because I felt that it was safe because I felt that it was a good place in a welcoming place

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is a partner in one of the most sadistic programs to blight the country in a long, long time.

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You know, ultimately a lot of the worst crimes against humanity were legal at the time that they were

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committed and I think that while this may not rise to that level yet, if we continue to be

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implicit then we're just allowing that to progress and get worse. So I just like to read

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a poem just to end my comments please. First they came for the communists and I did not speak

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out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialist and I did not speak out

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because I was not a socialist. And then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak

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out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out

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because I was not a Jew.

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Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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And I'm just asking that we stop before they come for my wife,

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before they come for so many of the innocent people in Jackson,

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who's only crime is that they forgot to fill out a form,

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and ultimately, that we rescind our participation

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in 27-G agreement.

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I

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am Jeannie from Summit Township, Jeannie Brown.

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People who oppose I need to look a bit closer as to why we want these illegals to go back to their own countries.

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They dream our resources, and the sheriff has, the ones that the sheriff has in jail are the ones that have broken the law in this country,

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and the sheriff isn't going door to door arresting illegals.

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They are arresting the ones that broke the law.

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Left is so understand what they are protesting most of the time.

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They just have an narrative.

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Let's just take school shootings.

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School shootings should never happen in their minds

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because it's a gun free zone.

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It's a gun free zone.

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So if we take the guns away from registered owners

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who are left criminals. They don't register their guns. What happens in these countries that

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had banned guns? Crime went up 40%. It's a proven fact when citizens have guns, crime is lower.

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When you see the setup, you can't unsee it. Trump is telling you he is not messing around with

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us. We are at war and you better wake up to the fact. Fifth generational warfare. They have the

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media spreading the narrative. They're feeding us plastic in our food along with other things you

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don't even want to know. They are poisoning our skies with camp trails, killing us slowly. They

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They are building data centers to use our clean water.

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The governor even gave Nestle, now known as blue trident brands, writes to take 40 gallons

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a minute from our groundwater and Michigan for pennies on the dollar.

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They are putting solar farms up in our farmland and contaminating the soil for 100 years,

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because they want to cause a food shortage.

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For us useless eaters, the energy generated from those farms are going to companies out of state.

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In turn, they sell it back to consumer energy without any financial break to the people in Michigan.

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What are you saying?

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30 seconds, ma'am.

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What I'm saying is if you've saved the child drowning in an ocean, the left would be screaming, you are starving the sharks. Make it make sense, and make America great again. Thank you.

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Commissioner bear,

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Commissioner

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bear,

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they're moving, they're

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moving.

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I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to clear the room if this continues now be

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respectful of both sides whether you agree or disagree with the people

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I'm going to arrest

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this woman Sheriff I would like you to I would like you to consider clearing the room with the

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people who are being allowed we don't need this I have a we have to be respectful of all

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speakers. At this time, if you'd like to sit down, sir, please. Okay, then I'm gonna ask you to

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leave.

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No, I'm gonna ask,

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would you like to know the hip-chair of beauty?

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I have the

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I'm going to ask the sheriff to clear the room is what I'm going to do, yes sir,

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I'm

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under sheriff Anthony Stewart, I'm listening to everybody's views and that's what this

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is all about, but everyone should be respectful,

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I'm never going to be disrespectful and

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What I'm asking is,

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see, see, see, see,

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interrupt us somebody when they're talking is disrespectful.

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And what I'm saying is, let's get through this.

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You want to talk, you want to have a voice of speech.

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But the red man, that's what you got to do.

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So please be respectful.

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Let everybody come up and speak.

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Listen to them.

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Thank you.

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Oh, you cannot ask a question, this is public comment.

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We will listen to public comment for three minutes,

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and then another person will speak.

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And they will share their opinion.

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Everyone is allowed their opinion during public comment.

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If you cannot do that, I will ask you to leave the room.

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If you cannot leave the room, I will ask the sheriff to escort you out.

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Are we all clear?

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Thank you.

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Thank you. My name is Jennifer Gallagher and I live in Summit Township. I'm here to speak

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against the two 870 agreement that currently exists between ICE and the Jackson County

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Sheriff's Office. I ask that agreement be rescinded and no further cooperation with ICE

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continue. I'm born and raised in Jackson County and I'm proud to call this community my home.

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choose to live here. When I think of Jackson, I think I'm in good company to say I think of

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grit and character and strength and resilience were a blue-collar community. It's evidenced

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in all the people who are here tonight to speak about their opinions. And by overwhelming majority,

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We do not want ICE interfering in our lives, in our neighborhoods, or in our town.

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ICE doesn't contribute to supporting grit or resilience or character or strength.

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It's an organization that has found patiently based in fear.

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Made up of people who are so scared, they feel the need to hide behind masks and military gear in American communities.

441
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:38,000
dehumanizing language like illegals or aliens or leftists is used to silence their conscience.

442
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:49,120
So they can be cruel without bearing the very real and very heavy weight of the harm and trauma they are inflicting on our fellow human beings.

443
00:50:50,220 --> 00:51:06,020
Rather than build resilience or contribute to society in some meaningful way, I salines itself with other institutions of power, expanding its reach and trying to dominate and control people who don't have access to that kind of power.

444
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:15,140
Their agents use chemical weapons, tear gas, guns, brutality, and excessive force, turning

445
00:51:15,140 --> 00:51:20,640
themselves into war machines instead of facing the truth of their own humanity.

446
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,000
Winning means making other people more afraid than they are.

447
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:31,840
No amount of tactical gear will ever make ice agents brave.

448
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,160
No amount of domination will ever make them strong.

449
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:40,860
And no amount of creating terror will make them less afraid.

450
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,940
That's the kind of fear that never ends.

451
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,340
Thirty seconds, ma'am.

452
00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:49,920
Partnering with ice is a declaration of fear in Jackson,

453
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,300
an alignment with cruelty and terror.

454
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:55,900
Ice does not embody the values of this community

455
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:57,620
and they are not welcome here.

456
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,580
Thank you.

457
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:07,730
Wow.

458
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:19,100
Can you hear me okay. Good evening. Melissa Hiller, Summit Township. I'm absolutely blown away

459
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:23,880
by tonight. I'm here just to show support for our local law enforcement.

460
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:26,880
I'm trying to

461
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,400
wrap my head around how and why so many people are here at least, maybe not in the entire

462
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:41,080
community, but in this room, I have things, I've just kind of twisted things, where now

463
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,280
we are supporting those who break the law as opposed to those who enforce the law.

464
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:48,680
So, and I knew I'd get murmurs.

465
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:57,400
And so now we can't even call them illegal, suddenly everything's undocumented because

466
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,520
we have to be so fragile as to not hurt their feelings, I guess.

467
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Even though they broke the law to get here hence illegal, so at the sound at the risk of sounding like a racist

468
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:14,400
Anyone living here on my text dollars who do not go through the proper legal channels?

469
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,040
I will continue to see them as illegals and an insult to those who did it right

470
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:29,660
If you see it differently by all means I encourage you to open your home to them take on their living expenses and be held personally liable for their actions

471
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:37,740
that I think sir again we're going to let people speak because what we're going to do

472
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:44,830
we're not going to raise them and I'd like my time back thank you so I would

473
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:48,750
encourage you to do that to me that seems a little bit more reasonable than the

474
00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:53,170
situation we have right now and I don't personally know any ice agents and I

475
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:58,430
don't know any illegal immigrants but I do know my family and my friends and I

476
00:53:58,430 --> 00:54:02,150
appreciate anyone willing to risk their own life to protect hours.

477
00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:05,690
They are not the ones who need to be condemned.

478
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:12,170
And of course, I'm not suggesting that all ICE agents are good and all illegals are bad,

479
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:19,070
but it does seem the hundreds of thousands of criminal immigrants are conveniently overlooked

480
00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:22,570
in order to highlight injustice and fuel outrage.

481
00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:28,870
Our sheriff, deputies, police officers, police officers, they don't write the laws.

482
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:34,270
If there are laws, people disapprove of, perhaps, lancing is where this should all be taking

483
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:36,410
place or talk to your legislators.

484
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:39,570
I support our sheriff and his decisions that are made.

485
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:45,610
And I can tell you, I appreciate the man and women who make the choice every day to serve

486
00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:47,930
what seems like an ungrateful community.

487
00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:50,430
Most would never do that.

488
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:58,390
So it seems that these well-meaning liberals want to take our guns away from us, so we can't protect ourselves.

489
00:54:58,810 --> 00:55:03,850
And now they want to take our laws away, our police force away, or at least limit them.

490
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:06,230
So they can't protect us.

491
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:11,050
That doesn't sound like a successful safety model to me.

492
00:55:11,470 --> 00:55:15,190
So needless to say, I swear they lost.

493
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:22,050
That helped me lose some of that time, but anyway, I will not support all listeners like some.

494
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:23,610
Thank you.

495
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,220
Good evening.

496
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:39,560
My name is Matt Tucker.

497
00:55:40,180 --> 00:55:43,200
I'm a public high school educator here in Jackson County.

498
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,360
I live in Henry at a township.

499
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:50,400
I'm concerned about the 287 G.A. agreement here for countless reasons.

500
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:55,700
But I'm primarily concerned about the impacts this agreement has shown to have on-school children.

501
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:04,840
Studies from Brown University, University of Virginia, and Stanford to name a few have shown

502
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:10,700
direct correlation between student achievement, regardless of citizenship or documentation

503
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:20,560
status, in communities with 287G agreements. Absentism, extreme anxiety, behavior incidents,

504
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:26,820
and lower grades are all noticeably higher in these communities compared with other communities

505
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:28,740
of similar size and demographics.

506
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:37,780
So many children in our community have already been exposed to unfathomable trauma, and

507
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:41,800
already lag behind other Michigan communities in student achievement.

508
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:51,880
I urge you to please consider the direct and indirect impacts, negative impacts.

509
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:58,380
The 27-G agreement has on our school children's academic and social emotional well-being

510
00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:06,780
and please resend and abolish the 27-agreement that you signed and never signed additional agreements with ICE again.

511
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,840
Keep our children and probably your children too.

512
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:11,560
Safe.

513
00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:28,510
Good evening.

514
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:30,210
My name is John Robby.

515
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:33,150
I'm a lifelong resident in Jackson County.

516
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:42,970
I'm 68 years old. I spent over half of my life working in the Michigan Department of Corrections serving all of you.

517
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:47,250
The other residents of Michigan. And I mean all of you.

518
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:54,890
I've the shift commander, fire officer's doctor, weapon strainer, chemical agent instructor, and a four-word for weapon armor.

519
00:57:56,150 --> 00:58:01,890
I know Sheriff Shootie personally, I've had many conversations with him, I find him to be

520
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:03,350
honorable in a buff board.

521
00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:09,410
I know under Sheriff Tony Stewart, even better, he and I have become good friends.

522
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:14,950
We worked together for years at the prison, and I'm proud of him for all of his successes

523
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:17,490
in his achievements, congratulation to Tony.

524
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:27,630
I support the 287G proposal, I urge the county to enact it and stay with it, and follow

525
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:30,050
your oath of office, not your feelings.

526
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:36,310
I understand it's an emotional subject, and it's my understanding the sheriff's duties

527
00:58:36,310 --> 00:58:37,110
intent.

528
00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:44,560
There's if someone is in his jail, already being held for another crime, and I've had the

529
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:52,440
or weren't. He will hold them. I thought I read for 48 hours. That is not unusual. We did

530
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,520
that at the prison many years ago when somebody was discharged from the Michigan

531
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,100
Senate. We turned them over to the federal government. I don't see any problem

532
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:08,700
with that. They're protecting you and I and the rest of the community. Thank you

533
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:10,540
for your time. God bless you all.

534
00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:23,810
Hi, my name is Shirley Schumer and I'm from District 6.

535
00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:29,330
I'd treat you to say express concern about the 287G agreement with the passing of time,

536
00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:31,290
more reason for concern is developed.

537
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:36,510
My understanding is that key responsibilities of your board include public safety and justice.

538
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:40,050
That includes the county jail courts, sheriff's office, etc.

539
00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:45,390
Due to these responsibilities, I'm asking you to terminate the 287G agreement.

540
00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:51,410
My reasons of concern should also be reasons of concern for you as officials and representatives of our county.

541
00:59:52,270 --> 00:59:59,970
My research indicates that Jackson County signed a WSO under the program officers get less training and are only authorized to execute.

542
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,300
Thank you, Vice Administrative Lawrence. Ice believes the sheriff's department can hope people for 48 hours, and they're technically an ice custody, but under WSO.

543
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:25,160
There's three factors that cause concern. First, there's a question of legality. The 287G statute gives leeway, but there also may be a legal basis to challenge a program. Ice has issued illegal detainers and morons against U.S. citizens.

544
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:34,260
Any locality that helps execute these can face legal challenges, and in addition, there are concerns about due process and potential abuses.

545
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:36,800
Second, there are costs involved.

546
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,560
We were told previously that the costs aren't significant.

547
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:46,600
But any costs that's incurred by Jackson County would include officer salaries over times benefits,

548
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,300
travel, lodging, and pridium for those who are attending ice training.

549
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:55,280
Every dollar and hour and 287G means less for local crime.

550
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:03,720
Previously, the community has asked for funds to cover operations and facility upgrades via multiple tax militias that have all been rejected.

551
01:01:04,660 --> 01:01:09,180
These shortfalls have led to significant cuts in the Sheriff's Office budget,

552
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,320
and yet you're allowing the agreement to use resources that could be used for basic operations.

553
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,680
I don't know about you, but if my money is running short, I buy groceries.

554
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:20,120
I don't go out to eat.

555
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:25,720
As a Jackson County resident, I question any use of resources that isn't for the basic

556
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,420
operations of the sheriff's department.

557
01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:32,460
If this is not the case, don't hold your hand out, ask for funds, you're not willing to

558
01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:32,840
use.

559
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:39,040
If you don't use them every dollar for operations, third, the agreement being in place

560
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:45,280
sliding fear in our residents. It's disrupting education, healthcare and work. It's causing an erosion

561
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,980
of the community trusts in our law enforcement, and all of these things make our county more

562
01:01:49,980 --> 01:01:55,960
vulnerable to future legal challenges. That should frighten all of you. 30 seconds may I implore you

563
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,840
to end the 287G agreement.

564
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,260
Hi, my name is Lindsay Marshall. I live in Waterloo Township,

565
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:20,040
of Jackson County bout and grasslake, so I am someone who owns a gun. I have my CPL, did my

566
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:26,580
finger printing down here, and I remember I've never felt uncomfortable or unsafe carrying my

567
01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:34,180
gun in my car until about September. That is when I saw Marima Martinez get shot by a nice agent

568
01:02:34,180 --> 01:02:40,860
who then bragged about it, saying five bullets, seven holes, and then also said do something bitch

569
01:02:40,860 --> 01:02:46,340
before shooting her. So I just want to know how my supposed to feel safe. I have this

570
01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:51,440
gun legally, but I know. Sorry. I know if something happens and I get shot, it would

571
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,960
be used to justify my murder. So that is one of the reasons I'm asking you to stop

572
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,720
this agreement. Sorry, I can't talk without getting emotional, but that's it.

573
01:03:11,740 --> 01:03:17,180
Hello, I'm a member of Jackson County and a member of the Hispanic community. I'm requesting

574
01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:25,100
the board to follow the example your name should Luke Salomoni. I'm requesting the board to follow

575
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:31,320
the example of the city of center line and rescind the 287 G agreement with ICE. While under

576
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:37,340
normal circumstances this agreement might make sense we are not operating under normal circumstances

577
01:03:37,340 --> 01:03:43,660
with the current federal administration. I sympathize with the board and the sheriff who see this

578
01:03:43,660 --> 01:03:48,960
agreement as the proper channels for coordination with federal authorities, but that coordination

579
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:54,360
should not come at the expense of local trust, fiscal responsibility, or public safety.

580
01:03:55,460 --> 01:04:00,900
When the main point I want to make is this, when a county enters into a formal ice partnership,

581
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:07,320
it places itself on a short list of jurisdictions ice can rely on operationally.

582
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:14,400
That signals that local infrastructure, jail space and law enforcement cooperation are already in place.

583
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:23,080
Making the county a logical deployment point if ICE expands enforcement activities, including targeted door-to-door operations.

584
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,420
I do not want to see that in our community and I hope that you do not either.

585
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:28,520
Thank you.

586
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,200
Hello everyone, my name is Olivia Oheza.

587
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,920
As you can tell on my Hispanic Mexican American woman,

588
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,380
probably fifth or sixth generations here.

589
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:53,160
And I normally wouldn't be up here speaking, but I've got to use my rights.

590
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,380
I've got to talk about this.

591
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:57,500
Because not too long ago,

592
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,540
I have a granddaughter by the way that is joining the Navy.

593
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,300
My family for generations has been in the Air Force.

594
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:08,660
Army,

595
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,300
Marines, and so, you know, we've all participated, it's not like we're free loaders,

596
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:23,480
like everybody claims that we are. I've worked on my life. I retired from Maroquip, and I wouldn't

597
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:32,440
got my masters. I'm 80 years old. I'm glad, you know what? I'm glad my father's not here to see

598
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:39,120
this. That would be a shame because he was a proud, proud American. And it is a shame what

599
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:46,840
I see. And it pisses me off. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm really involved. I'm a I'm a protester. And

600
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:52,280
I'm going out of my way to do it. You know, I don't care if I if something happens to me,

601
01:05:52,440 --> 01:06:00,480
I want my grandchildren to know that I was standing for something. And if you don't see it,

602
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,860
That stands for something that stands for anybody like some people that I know.

603
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:20,810
I'm Kim Lovhill, I live in Summit Township.

604
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,200
Hello Mr. Williams, Pastor Williams.

605
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,560
Mr. Willis, thank you for your service to the rest of the guardians of pedophiles and fascists.

606
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:41,000
I am here to speak about, against 285G, the ISIS acting as a fascist machine.

607
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:46,860
It is banging down doors, it is tearing people from their homes, they do not have federal

608
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:51,420
warrants, they don't even ask, they're just stripping people from their cars, they're

609
01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:58,920
breaking windows, they're murdering people, the atrocities that we know of are absolutely

610
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,860
unacceptable.

611
01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:05,260
The atrocities that we're going to find out about are going to be horrendous.

612
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,820
What they are doing to humanity, but they're doing in Minnesota, you know why they're

613
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:17,860
Minnesota because Trump doesn't like Democrats. Well, your prince of pedophiles there, the man

614
01:07:17,860 --> 01:07:25,580
who did those little girls, he is not somebody that Christians should be supporting. He's

615
01:07:25,580 --> 01:07:36,760
to grab by the pussy president. Anybody who supports a pedophile, a rapist, a fascist, is not

616
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,780
a good human.

617
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:50,720
Those is women in America. He's dealing with twelve-year-olds and y'all support

618
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:58,320
them and shame. Shame on you for supporting the principles of the files. Shame on you for things

619
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,880
that anybody who can stick a dick in a twelve-year-old is a good human is to be leading our country.

620
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,380
Shame on you for supporting a right best.

621
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:10,150
Shame.

622
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:27,550
Alright, well that's a little tough to follow.

623
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:54,150
My name is Aaron Seamons. I'm actually from the neighboring county of Washington County. I have made Michigan my home for the last 25 years. I am a daughter of a law enforcement agent. My father was a deputy sheriff for all of his career. My brother is an attorney. I am also registered Democrat. Also a practitioner of my second amendment, right.

624
01:08:54,150 --> 01:08:59,550
practice with my first amendment right and a supporter of the fourth and fifth amendment, which

625
01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:12,710
ICE and our DHS are chronically ignoring in our communities. And as your neighbor and a small business owner,

626
01:09:13,870 --> 01:09:21,090
I have customers that come from this area and I love to come my 30 minute drive out here to enjoy

627
01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:28,030
your restaurants, your night life, Jackson is a beautiful area. And we are one corridor.

628
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:37,770
We are a beautiful corridor built by immigrants. There's hardly anybody in this room right now

629
01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:45,310
that did not immigrate to this country at some point. Many of us undocumented because there was no

630
01:09:45,310 --> 01:09:49,570
such thing, with many of our families arrived here.

631
01:09:50,110 --> 01:09:54,510
And now, unfortunately, me from neighboring

632
01:09:54,510 --> 01:09:59,250
Washington County, I'm so sad to see my neighboring

633
01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:05,630
county supporting through this arrangement, this horrible,

634
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:11,670
horrible administration, and being complicit at this dark,

635
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:13,470
dark time in our nation's history.

636
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:36,090
And I am asking you to withdraw from this agreement now, to do the right thing, to bring back the wonderful inclusive nature, align with your neighbors in Washington County, and stop supporting the DHS and ICE in this current administration.

637
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:45,770
this is not what any of you want, your legacy to be. I promise you that. There's nothing to love about ice.

638
01:10:46,970 --> 01:10:59,890
And those of you in this room who think we are just lawless liberals, I want to remind you that immigrants are half as likely to connect crimes as citizens are.

639
01:10:59,890 --> 01:11:07,010
30 seconds, ma'am. And you're actually making this problem of crime worse because now immigrants

640
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:13,050
feel less stressful of the police because if they call for a crime, they know their neighbor,

641
01:11:13,650 --> 01:11:20,610
their partners might be deported, and criminals do not respect county lines. So those of you who are

642
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:26,070
here speaking in favor of this agreement because you are tough on crime, you are making Washington

643
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:32,830
county less safe, because criminal, and you're out of time, and you're out of time.

644
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:57,030
I noticed, my name is Elisabeth Walsh, please don't interrupt me, there's a big clock in front of

645
01:11:57,030 --> 01:12:14,930
me and I will watch it carefully. It's clear here to obligate those, at all times you have to

646
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:19,910
that many people understand in this room and those who will see the video later.

647
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:51,110
miscompagnaros y compañiras y trabajo y toda gente que se siente ahora un miedo tremendo

648
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:53,270
justificado.

649
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:59,290
La optimización que se llama ais que comprende varias organizaciones compricitas es una

650
01:12:59,290 --> 01:13:04,730
patrilla secreta de la muerte. Lo tiene a mis pelatinas y entiendo cómo escuadone

651
01:13:04,730 --> 01:13:13,490
de la muerte. Escuna organización y reinto para militar en servicio del fascismo. La historia

652
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:20,110
of the European fascism, the military dictatorship, the Latin America, or the I love in Israel,

653
01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:26,850
they are examples that we can understand well with the same practices that they are

654
01:13:26,850 --> 01:13:35,470
used here, I am a Spanish, but I do not have to study much to understand that the United States

655
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:42,110
is a country in Ossida, from its origins. But there is also a tradition, very

656
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:49,830
large, of solidarity, a humanitarian. And not to have more to defend, yes, yes, as much as

657
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:55,610
it is necessary, to the most vulnerable, which is the communities and migrants, the

658
01:13:55,610 --> 01:14:01,670
and the citizens, the non-ranking, and all the people affected by the violence of the state.

659
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:31,650
In my remaining 25 seconds, I will let you know that I came here to talk to you about what I have to say to you about what I have to say to you.

660
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:38,470
from the emergency room, a company and localman spent 30 days in pain at home in fear of going

661
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:39,170
to the hospital.

662
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:41,830
I discovered that she had a very intense pain.

663
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:44,370
I found out that is, I think, just to let it off.

664
01:14:44,690 --> 01:14:49,110
She was sleeping for 30 days from the pain and luckily received emergency surgery.

665
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:53,670
However, in this building, there was no water available in public space here and it is nothing

666
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:54,290
in the kitchen.

667
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:58,150
and go to the time point to test me to respect you in your out-of-time.

668
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:31,610
Hello. My name is Josh Brockman and I'm from Johnson County. I don't feel safe for myself or for my peers when I think of ICE. I think of violence and the many cases I've been posted across the United States that show violence from ICE. It scares me and many of my peers. It scares me and many of my peers because of all this violence.

669
01:15:32,110 --> 01:15:38,230
I start not held accountable for their actions, and with that they have guns that could kill people within seconds.

670
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:43,050
I have yet to see any ice agent be held accountable for the cruelty that they have committed.

671
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:48,890
It is unfair and injustice. This is not the America I was told about growing up.

672
01:15:49,310 --> 01:15:52,690
I was told about America that was safe. That was a safe place for people.

673
01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:58,950
It has been proven to be many times. This is untreated day due to ISIS violence against Americans of all colors.

674
01:15:59,450 --> 01:16:00,590
Thank you for your time.

675
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:16,950
Hi, my name is Julia Brockman. I moved here from Texas in 2023 and I have grown to love and

676
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:21,850
share the community that I have found here. We did not have the community that we have in Jackson

677
01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:26,090
where I come from and so I am very grateful for all the people that make up this community.

678
01:16:27,390 --> 01:16:32,170
I live in District 8 and I'm here today to add my voice to the community, including with you,

679
01:16:32,290 --> 01:16:33,590
to withdraw from this agreement.

680
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,260
We as a county, just in the short time that I've been here,

681
01:16:40,260 --> 01:16:45,620
already face budget limitations related to the repairs for our jails, providing adequate care

682
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:49,740
and warming shelters for our homeless population and funding for our schools to retain qualified

683
01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:54,760
teachers. I would prefer these funds be directed towards supporting our growing community

684
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:01,420
and proving our schools and enhancing the beautiful parks that we have here. For me and my

685
01:17:01,420 --> 01:17:06,660
kids and their friends to enjoy. I cannot emphasize how much I love the parks and the way the city

686
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:13,720
taken care of. And I would like more of that. I would prefer it not go to ICE agents. I want

687
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:21,340
it to grow to people who live here and add to our communities. Additionally, as a home owner

688
01:17:21,340 --> 01:17:25,700
and taxpayer in this community, I'm firmly against allocating my tax dollars to fund the

689
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:31,720
criminals who call themselves ICE. Finally, I have very fearful concerns about ICE's accountability

690
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:36,400
and implications of their own constitutional actions. There seems to be no accountability or

691
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:42,240
And that causes distress in this community to the people who are supposed to uphold the law.

692
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,620
As a resident, I do not believe that having ice operating within our city would enhance public safety.

693
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,660
And I'm concerned it will lead to increased fear and chaos.

694
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:58,020
I've already heard from my kids and their kids and their friends that they are scared that ice will come to our community.

695
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:03,840
My kid woke me up last night because they thought they heard banging on the door and they were scared to go back to sleep

696
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,740
because of what they have seen in the media and what they have seen on the news reports.

697
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:14,780
These kids deserve a safe community and trust that their police officers guarding this community

698
01:18:14,780 --> 01:18:19,920
will not side with unlawful criminals who are masked, unknown to our city and dangerously reckless.

699
01:18:20,420 --> 01:18:25,520
I respectfully ask that you carefully consider our community's concerns and withdraw from this agreement.

700
01:18:25,940 --> 01:18:26,720
Thank you for your time.

701
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,700
Hi, my name is Diane Valencia. I am a Jackson County citizen

702
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:47,220
and I was born in Michigan, but raised throughout Jackson, Detroit, Taylor, and I've seen more

703
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:52,700
immigrants over there than I have over here, and yet there's still the nice people I know.

704
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:03,720
My family is also immigrants. We are from Iran and from Yemen, but I'm also English too,

705
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:13,780
So, I was raised by white people here in America, I'm native, my tribe, my land was taken, I'm also from Arizona.

706
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:24,540
My family was in their land in 1970, not even that long ago, yet we're targeting immigrants

707
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:32,540
when I've had more fear here in Jackson, for me guys is citizens, I've been, I've been raped,

708
01:19:33,220 --> 01:19:42,720
I've been threatened, all by Americans, never by an immigrant. I have recently gained trust

709
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:48,920
in the Jackson Community Department with technical Phillips and even our school cop officer

710
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:57,130
It's also worth that Jackson High School because they actually care about our community and we shouldn't be funding.

711
01:19:58,250 --> 01:20:03,330
They have ice agents there when we actually have criminals that need to be taking care of.

712
01:20:04,530 --> 01:20:11,450
Like, there's people running out on these streets with guns every day.

713
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:19,150
Ice is not going to change anything.

714
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:22,970
We need to actually work on Jackson County.

715
01:20:22,970 --> 01:20:30,230
I used to go to Lexley, I was harassed as a kid for my race, even though I was raised by white people.

716
01:20:32,050 --> 01:20:37,810
There was a kid who made a list of all the mixed and all the color kids seen that

717
01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:43,330
you were caught a break.

718
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,200
My tax dollars, I work at the Jackson Popgorn Depot, I work here in the mall.

719
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:02,280
I paid $50 and I'm only $17 and I don't even vote yet, but I'm still here because I care.

720
01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:13,940
And I seriously need the actual criminals to be taken care of because they're still out there so

721
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:23,100
Can we just not focus on reversing helpless people like natives are being targeted black people are being targeted

722
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:28,000
And not white people are being targeted because it doesn't even matter if you're Hispanic anymore

723
01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:31,020
Everyone is targeted

724
01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:33,540
Thank you,

725
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:57,690
I, um, it's hard to tell for me to go after that because that's pretty emotional.

726
01:21:59,010 --> 01:22:01,350
Um, I've lived in, I am, my name is Sarah McAdom.

727
01:22:01,490 --> 01:22:07,190
I've lived in Jackson most of my life. Um, I lived in a Washingtony city area, um, for about eight years.

728
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:15,510
And I, um, met a, um, illegal immigrant. Um, and I still remember, and it was about 2012.

729
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:20,410
And I still remember him saying, we do the dirty work of the hate us.

730
01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:23,510
He got deported about a year ago.

731
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:25,790
Sorry.

732
01:22:26,710 --> 01:22:28,070
Okay, can you hear me better now?

733
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:29,830
My name is Sarah McAdom.

734
01:22:30,130 --> 01:22:31,450
I live in Jacksonville, so my life.

735
01:22:31,770 --> 01:22:32,990
I live in Washingtonville.

736
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:42,470
I still remember him saying we do the jury to work and they hate us.

737
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:44,270
He got deported about a year ago.

738
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:48,110
And this country was built on immigrants.

739
01:22:49,150 --> 01:22:54,510
The person that I met back in 2012, the only, and hearing the two conservatives that

740
01:22:54,510 --> 01:23:01,810
I spoke, the only thing that the person I met did was let his visa expire.

741
01:23:02,810 --> 01:23:07,190
He did not do anything criminal, and that's when, you know, I felt passionate about this

742
01:23:07,190 --> 01:23:07,610
issue.

743
01:23:09,710 --> 01:23:12,290
And, you know, no, this country is bullet immigrants.

744
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:17,230
No one in this country, you know, regardless of whether they have papers or not, should

745
01:23:17,230 --> 01:23:23,690
live and live in fear, like the girl I just spoke, or the person who has since been

746
01:23:23,690 --> 01:23:28,070
deported, you know, I use a substitute teacher and some of the kids I used to work with

747
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:38,430
where I'm against, and so I'm here to speak against, to resent 2807G, so every one in Jackson

748
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:43,150
County can not live in fear. Thank you for your time.

749
01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:54,950
Good evening everybody. My name is Lisa Lazaroff.

750
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:56,890
I'm a lifetime resident of Jackson.

751
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:59,310
I currently reside in Summit Township.

752
01:24:00,350 --> 01:24:02,430
My grandparents came here from Macedonia.

753
01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:05,190
My father fought in World War II.

754
01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:07,650
As a lifelong resident, our community

755
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:09,750
has seen this up ups and downs.

756
01:24:10,430 --> 01:24:14,450
I think we're currently seeing one of our low points in Jackson,

757
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:15,930
and I'm sad to say that.

758
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:18,310
I would like to voice my disagreement

759
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:21,670
in my disappointment in Sheriff Shootie's decision

760
01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:25,510
to enter into a 287G agreement with ICE.

761
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:29,130
According to the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center,

762
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:30,810
and according to Common Sense,

763
01:24:31,650 --> 01:24:33,970
when local law enforcement officers are doing the work

764
01:24:33,970 --> 01:24:36,850
of federal immigration enforcement community members

765
01:24:37,230 --> 01:24:40,030
lose trust with their local sheriff employees.

766
01:24:41,190 --> 01:24:42,950
And therefore, they, we,

767
01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:45,810
are less likely to report crimes.

768
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:49,490
Additionally, this program has been shown

769
01:24:49,490 --> 01:24:56,270
result in racial profiling, cost communities, and taxpayers money, target individuals with little

770
01:24:56,270 --> 01:25:00,990
or no criminal history, and harm the community's relationship with the police.

771
01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:07,590
Furthermore, considering the current tense climate in Minneapolis and other communities in our nation,

772
01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:13,840
is this what we really want to invite into Jackson? I don't think so, and there's a lot of people

773
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,740
me that agree with me. I truly believe our community can be better served by our

774
01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:24,540
law enforcement, focusing on neighborhood relationships, decreasing gun violence,

775
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:31,060
and getting drugs off of our streets. As a community, we need to trust law

776
01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:36,260
enforcement to have our best interests in mind. As a member of this community, I

777
01:25:36,260 --> 01:25:42,260
respectfully request you to rescind the contract with ICE. Thank you for your time

778
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:56,550
in my name is Toby Baker. I live in the city. I first want to say please

779
01:25:56,550 --> 01:26:00,930
rescind the 27G agreement. Look at what it's doing everywhere across the

780
01:26:00,930 --> 01:26:06,650
country, but especially in Minnesota right now where a girl was taken by

781
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:13,810
ice and raped in an ice detention facility by an ice officer. This is one incident.

782
01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:18,190
I'm sure that there are tons of other incidents like this, but you have kids

783
01:26:18,190 --> 01:26:25,670
getting taken out of the schools. You have ice agents waiting outside of courts where immigrants

784
01:26:25,670 --> 01:26:33,450
are not only getting the proper way, which is hard enough as it is, but fighting against

785
01:26:33,450 --> 01:26:38,830
warrants that aren't proper warrants. You got administrative warrants, not judicial warrants.

786
01:26:41,130 --> 01:26:47,550
And I just lost my train of thought. Ice agents taking pulling cars over that they're not allowed

787
01:26:47,550 --> 01:26:54,690
do, they are not law enforcement, they are there to enforce warrants, but they're pulling cars over

788
01:26:54,690 --> 01:27:01,170
asking for papers. They have reports of local police asking for papers. Not yet here in Jackson

789
01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:06,490
County has been reported, but I'm sure it's happened. I did not want that here.

790
01:27:09,740 --> 01:27:10,120
It's like I think

791
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:15,700
you're right now, but please resume the 2070 agreement. It is seriously damaging the relationship

792
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:22,360
with you in the relationship with the sheriff's office, us and other things. Yeah, you guys are,

793
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:29,040
we're, we're, you guys are responsible to us. Things that we require things that we ask for,

794
01:27:30,060 --> 01:27:37,000
we only vote you in if you do those things. There are clearly more than a hundred people here. Imagine

795
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:42,860
if all of these people went door knocking against you. I know as politicians, you don't really

796
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:46,020
like to listen to feelings, but instead your seats,

797
01:27:46,540 --> 01:27:49,460
you're more worried about your next election than anything else.

798
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,340
So think about your next election when you see

799
01:27:53,340 --> 01:27:57,540
all of these organizers here and what that'll look like.

800
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,200
Next time your seat is up.

801
01:27:59,380 --> 01:28:00,120
Thank you.

802
01:28:10,130 --> 01:28:14,470
Hello, board members and fellow residents in attendance tonight.

803
01:28:16,230 --> 01:28:18,190
Our community members.

804
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:19,310
Your name, ma'am, please.

805
01:28:19,310 --> 01:28:21,730
Oh and Natalie Schroeder District 8,

806
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,740
our community members are scared. I've seen it personally,

807
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,580
I know a lot of teachers,

808
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:38,760
schools usually worry about lockdowns for potential criminal shooters,

809
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:47,000
but now they have to be prepared to lock down for our own government to protect their kids

810
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,740
in attendance, and even sometimes their teachers.

811
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,400
Because our immigration system is broken.

812
01:29:00,430 --> 01:29:04,690
You want to simplify it and say, oh, they're illegal immigrants.

813
01:29:05,570 --> 01:29:06,770
They're all criminals.

814
01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:18,130
If you believe that, you're just unaware that we have asylum seekers.

815
01:29:18,130 --> 01:29:27,030
We have refugees. We have people who have spent thousands of dollars and 30 years to try and get their citizenship.

816
01:29:29,210 --> 01:29:31,570
And they can't do it. There's delays.

817
01:29:33,470 --> 01:29:37,110
We have no idea because we're privileged to have been born here.

818
01:29:37,730 --> 01:29:45,010
But the immigrants come here. They are amazing for our country. They play taxes. They don't get any healthcare.

819
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:50,750
They pay into our Medicare by paying their taxes.

820
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:56,410
They pay into our security, which they can ever collect on.

821
01:29:56,690 --> 01:29:59,970
They can also never collect on any kind of help.

822
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,740
Here, unless there's an emergency situation in the go to the hospital, I am, this is just facts.

823
01:30:11,140 --> 01:30:27,740
Okay, I'm going to email all of you a video of October 18th. We did a march to share of cities parking lot to leave messages of love, not so much. I'm kidding.

824
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:47,760
It's a nice march though, I was going to play it for you tonight, but I thought it'd be better if you could each watch it and really think about the individuals who took their time to march down there frustrated with the 287G agreement.

825
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:55,560
It's about a two minute video. I tried to have it shown on the screens tonight, but I guess that's not allowed.

826
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:02,580
I could have brought a laptop up here and held it up, but maybe you're willing to watch it.

827
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,760
It's just walking down the street, don't be afraid, and guess what they're chanting.

828
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:13,480
Love, not hate, makes America great.

829
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:15,060
Man, you're on the time.

830
01:31:15,220 --> 01:31:16,100
Not eight.

831
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:17,520
Make the mayor open.

832
01:31:17,820 --> 01:31:18,480
I think please.

833
01:31:19,020 --> 01:31:19,140
Lep.

834
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,540
Not eight.

835
01:31:20,860 --> 01:31:22,240
Makes the mayor public.

836
01:31:34,510 --> 01:31:40,710
Even in commissioners, and thank you for the opportunity to speak in for the commissioners that are actively listening to looking at your devices.

837
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:41,990
Thank you, even more.

838
01:31:43,370 --> 01:31:48,210
Look, the room is rightfully so, but I'm here to debate immigration policy.

839
01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:52,110
But to discuss local response and bills that I need your name.

840
01:31:52,130 --> 01:31:53,130
I said, Bans Johnson.

841
01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:54,950
We're welcome.

842
01:31:56,050 --> 01:32:00,610
I'm not here to debate immigration policy, but to discuss local responsibility, constitutional

843
01:32:00,610 --> 01:32:06,010
risk, and fiscal responsibilities issues clearly outlined of course in the agreement.

844
01:32:06,690 --> 01:32:11,250
It raises three serious concerns that should matter to every taxpayer and every public

845
01:32:11,250 --> 01:32:12,870
servant here this evening.

846
01:32:13,610 --> 01:32:17,690
First, it shifts the financial burden and legal risk to Jackson County.

847
01:32:17,690 --> 01:32:23,310
The agreement, if you all read it correctly, requires the county not the federal government

848
01:32:23,310 --> 01:32:28,890
to pay for salaries, overtime training, equipment, transportation, potential liability,

849
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:35,670
and ICE may terminate that participation at any time for any reason leaving our county

850
01:32:35,670 --> 01:32:38,270
with a cost and staffing disturbance.

851
01:32:38,970 --> 01:32:42,150
Second, it exposes the county to constitutional liability.

852
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:47,590
The agreement authorizes local officers to carry out civil immigration enforcement and to

853
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:51,830
hold individuals from to forty-eight hours beyond their criminal release.

854
01:32:52,410 --> 01:32:56,730
Court to cross the county of Foundry's practices to carry serious Fourth Amendment

855
01:32:56,730 --> 01:32:57,470
risks.

856
01:32:57,750 --> 01:33:03,650
This agreement explicitly states it creates no enforceable rights for detainees leaving

857
01:33:03,650 --> 01:33:06,810
the county to absorb the legal consequences.

858
01:33:08,170 --> 01:33:10,830
Third, it limits local oversight and transparency.

859
01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:17,610
Immigration enforcement, under this agreement, is directed by ICE, recruits, records I should

860
01:33:17,610 --> 01:33:23,930
say are controlled by ICE, and public disclosure must be coordinated through ICE.

861
01:33:24,230 --> 01:33:30,490
That removes meaningful local accountability for actions taking place inside our own

862
01:33:30,490 --> 01:33:30,870
jail.

863
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:36,370
This is not about being for against immigration enforcement, it is about whether Jackson

864
01:33:36,370 --> 01:33:41,490
Crown issue is from financial risk, legal exposure, and lots of control for a federal

865
01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:46,390
government program that does not clearly improve any local public safety.

866
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:47,970
I'm going to back to the loan.

867
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:53,850
This agreement is a bad deal for taxpayers, law enforcement, and constitutional governments.

868
01:33:55,210 --> 01:33:59,830
Look, if you're going to check your stability and morality at the door, don't check your

869
01:33:59,830 --> 01:34:00,690
common sense.

870
01:34:00,690 --> 01:34:06,730
You all deserve to be a better, a kernel standard, you should be ashamed of yourself to pay the time.

871
01:34:21,730 --> 01:34:21,870
Hello.

872
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:23,530
Can you guys hear me, okay?

873
01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:27,540
Is this better?

874
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:28,460
Okay.

875
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,520
My name is Alyssa Jewel.

876
01:34:30,980 --> 01:34:32,900
I am terrified to be up here.

877
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:34,700
I'm literally trembling and sweating.

878
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,960
But someone that I look up to told me it's okay to be scared as long as you do it anyways.

879
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,620
I'm currently living in Hillsdale County.

880
01:34:42,740 --> 01:34:46,220
And I'm here to have my voice heard after what has happened over the last few weeks.

881
01:34:46,220 --> 01:34:53,060
We need to be using our money to better drain the police to catch real criminals like the ones currently in ICE and in our administration.

882
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,720
What I'm about to say next is really important, so if you guys could all actually listen, that'd be great.

883
01:35:00,500 --> 01:35:03,160
I don't know any immigrants personally that have committed crimes.

884
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:16,060
But I do know every single white ICE supporting Christian male in my personal family has committed at least one violent felony weather convicted or not.

885
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:21,600
my whole body is trembling. It's a mess that violence runs in families. I think

886
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:27,080
Jonathan Ross actually had some of those charges by the way. At least three of

887
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,780
those family members are actively speaking about joining ICE in our cities.

888
01:35:31,260 --> 01:35:34,280
Are those seriously the men you guys want to have roaming your streets with guns?

889
01:35:34,500 --> 01:35:40,020
Thinking they have full immunity? I'm not asking you. I'm warning you. Just with

890
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,240
My name is Clevenger from Spring Harbor Township.

891
01:35:55,940 --> 01:35:58,940
I've lived in Jackson County all but three years in my life.

892
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,220
I've started three businesses here.

893
01:36:01,460 --> 01:36:03,940
I've had two children go through the schools here.

894
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:10,760
Overall, the way the county and city has been run by our appointed and elected people has been very good.

895
01:36:10,780 --> 01:36:14,900
Otherwise, I wouldn't be here after 73 years.

896
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:21,680
But things have changed. Back in 2020, I was working for an international company and several

897
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:26,280
other staff came here to Jackson to meet with our Tri-State customers. The company

898
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:30,880
liked what they saw here and mentioned to me that they were looking for a Midwest distribution

899
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:37,080
center and possible manufacturing plant. I got excited. I got juice and I came down to the

900
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:42,320
county commission meeting to perhaps talk with commissioners about this. To my total surprise,

901
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:49,120
That night, February of 2020, this room was filled with second amendment proponents and militia

902
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:49,560
members.

903
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:56,340
The county board, many of you are still here, passed a gun sanctuary resolution.

904
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,840
This made news across the country.

905
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:04,320
And the company I was wooing made it clear to me because they did their due diligence.

906
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:05,920
They didn't want to come here.

907
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:10,840
I felt the county board had made a very foolish decision on that night.

908
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:15,680
And on January 6th of 2021, I knew damn well they did.

909
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:20,660
I was quite sure of it, and we still have some of those board members here.

910
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:26,220
In early 2025, our county sheriff, and I believe he has the approval of the board,

911
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,700
announced the first agreement in the state to assist ICE.

912
01:37:29,780 --> 01:37:32,920
I can't see any benefit to it.

913
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,280
Unless your mind wants to go somewhere really dark.

914
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:43,080
Jackson County elected officials need to get off the might makes right train and show

915
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:49,160
some real American courage and we send both the gun sanctuary resolution and the

916
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:50,780
ice cooperation agreement.

917
01:37:51,820 --> 01:37:55,660
We used to have a slogan out there that said, Jackson, we like it here.

918
01:37:56,080 --> 01:38:00,140
I'm worried you guys might want to change it to we like it here, but we might beat you

919
01:38:00,140 --> 01:38:11,110
senseless and shoot you in the face. Please. Please. Please. Resend. That resolution and also the ice.

920
01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:30,910
Sarah Sassado. I'm a resident of the City of Jackson. Thank you commissioners for your attention and patience this evening.

921
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:38,910
There has been a lot of passion. However, I'd like to bring the focus back to the memorandum of agreement

922
01:38:40,430 --> 01:38:48,910
287G. Specifically, in my professional capacity, I've had ample opportunity to visit our jail.

923
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:57,150
And I really appreciate what the sheriff and all of the staff do over there with their scarce resources.

924
01:38:58,970 --> 01:39:07,230
I appreciate also the cooperation between and among counties and the collaboration to hand criminals off to other agencies

925
01:39:07,230 --> 01:39:12,570
once they've been released from the county's criminal custody. I really appreciate that.

926
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:16,550
Kids criminals off the street makes my job a lot easier too.

927
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:20,600
I see why initially,

928
01:39:21,420 --> 01:39:26,340
entering into the warrant services officer program appeared to be the productive choice.

929
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:38,840
However, in light of recent events, I asked that the county of Jackson withdraw from the

930
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:47,920
crowded. Holding people who have already been processed for an additional 48 hours is an unnecessary burden to our county.

931
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:56,700
They are operating often with fewer staff than they should have, and as part of the memorandum of agreement,

932
01:39:57,220 --> 01:40:06,780
many of our staff will need to obtain additional training from ICE, taking them out of rotation and making it impossible to keep staffing at full capacity.

933
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:16,500
On top of that, I feel safe with my clients in the hands of our officers, but I'm fearful

934
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:22,760
when I think that our officers might hand them directly over to ICE agents, who research

935
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,800
has shown are under-trained and undervetted.

936
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:32,420
Please consider rescending this agreement.

937
01:40:41,630 --> 01:40:54,530
Well, good evening commissioners and Mayor, we appreciate you being here or the people who are, sorry about that, but I was wanting to make sure I understood why your names are?

938
01:40:54,530 --> 01:40:56,570
Oh, thank you, very much, James.

939
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:59,410
My name is Thomas, I'm Birkemeyer.

940
01:40:59,730 --> 01:41:02,610
Because my namesake, Thomas, Birkemeyer,

941
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:04,850
I want to make sure, even though he and I

942
01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:06,430
share a lot of the same views.

943
01:41:06,910 --> 01:41:09,410
But I'm the Thomas, I'm Birkemeyer.

944
01:41:10,250 --> 01:41:13,390
School teacher for 36 years with so many good people.

945
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:17,670
And my appreciation for all of you tonight

946
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:20,230
starts with your attention.

947
01:41:20,530 --> 01:41:21,250
Thank you.

948
01:41:21,250 --> 01:41:29,930
I'm puzzled as to Tony yours and headphones because I don't know why headphones on it.

949
01:41:29,950 --> 01:41:36,050
There we have we have commissioners who have hearing loss and it allows them to listen correctly to you.

950
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:43,430
Thank you very much. That helps me understand. Because I want to be understanding as I think you do too.

951
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:49,030
And I appreciate this opportunity. What a privilege. Jackson works.

952
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:56,690
and this is beautiful. When I was waiting outside in the cold, because the gates were closed

953
01:41:56,690 --> 01:42:07,010
on the steps and we had one working elevator, I thought, this doesn't look good. It was

954
01:42:07,010 --> 01:42:13,170
crowded right out the doors, out to the sidewalks. And thank you. Thank you, thank you for all

955
01:42:13,170 --> 01:42:19,890
who are being here and for making your voices heard for those who can't be heard because this

956
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:26,850
is only a small piece of the voice that Jackson represents. So I'm so grateful to be here

957
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:33,210
and to be a part of it. And I am glad Tony that your little sign is now no longer there because

958
01:42:33,210 --> 01:42:40,730
I want to respect you like I respect the others here that are listening attentively. I came with

959
01:42:40,730 --> 01:42:48,550
my phone ready for notes but my gosh the people who spoke before me spoke better than I can

960
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:55,230
and I am so grateful for that even for those who disagree and so I'm thankful that we can

961
01:42:55,230 --> 01:43:02,250
come to Jackson and do this the way America was meant to be the way the people used to think that

962
01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:10,410
this is why I want to come to America and that's why our immigration system which hasn't been

963
01:43:10,410 --> 01:43:20,630
repaired in 50 years, how many, how many presidencies is that? And our Congress came this close

964
01:43:20,630 --> 01:43:28,870
to a bipartisan agreement to help fix the immigration system. But there was a mighty big voice

965
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:37,710
that said, no, don't do that. And it didn't pass. It didn't have a chance. Again, and so they have

966
01:43:37,710 --> 01:43:41,510
go back and try again to make our immigration system work.

967
01:43:42,410 --> 01:43:45,510
So my appreciation to every one of you

968
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:48,870
that are listening and making America better

969
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:52,370
because we can listen to each other better

970
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:53,750
by doing it this way.

971
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:55,750
So thank you Mr. Mark Meyer.

972
01:44:05,820 --> 01:44:05,980
Hello.

973
01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:08,440
Am I close enough?

974
01:44:09,220 --> 01:44:09,420
No.

975
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:12,420
Is this better?

976
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:14,100
All right.

977
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:15,640
Well, hello.

978
01:44:16,660 --> 01:44:17,920
My name is Alex Scott.

979
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,960
Well, my legal name is Ellis Scott, most of the people in this room, probably know me as Alex.

980
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:32,340
I just like to, can we just take a breath for a minute, because there's been kind of a lot happening, and I like to give everybody a moment to just take a deep breath.

981
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:42,780
There we go. Okay, so I've been taking some notes and I'd like to hit just reiterate some of the major points that I've been seeing a lot of people talking about.

982
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:49,820
So, here's some of the issues just in the order that I have them written down, now I will particular order.

983
01:44:49,820 --> 01:44:59,920
Safety in our community or the lack of it with ice around or deals with ice people don't feel like it's safe around

984
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,160
Here, when ISIS is around. There's also a lot of concern that deals with IS, decrease trust in our police force, creates a culture of fear, and that culture of fear leads to people not reaching out when they need help.

985
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:23,100
Being afraid to call the cops or call 911, like someone described earlier, multiple people have described.

986
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:30,100
There was one specific example of the one woman who was with someone in the emergency room right before this.

987
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:37,320
There's also the logistics that county police are underfunded.

988
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,960
There are much better uses for these funds than going to this deal,

989
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,120
especially when ICE has billions of dollars in their own budget.

990
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:48,800
Why should we be offering up our limited resources?

991
01:45:51,940 --> 01:45:56,860
Frankly, it's a misuse of monetary and personal resources.

992
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:07,220
And something that I hadn't necessarily thought of up to this point is the impact that this is having on our kids.

993
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:15,500
Because, as multiple other people have mentioned, we've had teachers, we've had parents, we've had people who just work with kids or our kids themselves,

994
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,880
talking about how stressful all of this is for them.

995
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:24,960
how scared they are, how like we've had a few people talk about how it's impacting

996
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:29,920
performance in school, but we've also had a few people talk about how clearly it's impacting

997
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:37,860
their own mental health and how even the kids think that there are much better uses of our resources

998
01:46:37,860 --> 01:46:45,840
and our time than going after immigrants when we've got American criminals running around.

999
01:46:47,310 --> 01:46:51,030
So those are the major things figured I'd do a little recap.

1000
01:46:52,890 --> 01:46:54,310
39 speakers in.

1001
01:46:56,250 --> 01:46:57,750
And yeah, that's it.

1002
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:58,790
Keep it up, guys.

1003
01:47:09,570 --> 01:47:09,590
Good.

1004
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:10,190
Am I good?

1005
01:47:10,290 --> 01:47:10,650
Am I close?

1006
01:47:11,870 --> 01:47:12,050
Okay.

1007
01:47:12,690 --> 01:47:13,910
Hi, my name is Jason Hill.

1008
01:47:13,990 --> 01:47:15,130
I'm a resident of Jackson.

1009
01:47:15,230 --> 01:47:16,590
I work at Jackson High School.

1010
01:47:17,170 --> 01:47:20,170
Every day I go to work and I hear stories of kids being afraid to go to school.

1011
01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:23,510
Children being afraid to go to school.

1012
01:47:24,890 --> 01:47:27,370
Children being afraid to go to school.

1013
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:35,190
to school. Every day I have to wonder what I owe them. I have to wonder if I have to put my

1014
01:47:35,190 --> 01:47:43,010
body in between a fascist loser and a child. Even worse, I have to be prepared to decide

1015
01:47:43,010 --> 01:47:50,090
if someone is an actual representative of the U.S. government or a mask Nazi freak. I'm

1016
01:47:50,090 --> 01:47:53,910
going to take 20 cents of my time and I want all of you to think about what you would do in that

1017
01:47:53,910 --> 01:48:02,010
situation and masked unarmed or unidentified ice agent approaches you 20 seconds right now think how you would react in my shoes

1018
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,840
I would have had to have acted by now

1019
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:24,340
So I hope you guys made your decision

1020
01:48:24,340 --> 01:48:34,440
I want you to know that anyone up here who enables this I will dedicate every fiber of my being to ending your political career forever because you're fucking criminals

1021
01:48:58,020 --> 01:49:05,880
Alright, my name is Celeste Ross and I am in Spray-Ober. Um, I am never American, the Mexican,

1022
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:13,560
so the reason why this impacts me is because, unfortunately, I think three of my travel members,

1023
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:17,400
So Glyllazoo were,

1024
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:24,560
I'm sorry, I'm nervous, I'm a penitenti, I is in their Native Americans.

1025
01:49:25,580 --> 01:49:27,100
They had this landfers.

1026
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:37,020
You see, I have been kidnapped, I have been abused many ways neglecting by Americans.

1027
01:49:41,190 --> 01:49:47,470
And, you know, I almost was in a large community because my parents were afraid.

1028
01:49:47,470 --> 01:49:59,130
Um, they actually started giving me talks about if I got me, well, I would do, and I feel like

1029
01:49:59,130 --> 01:50:04,810
they should not have to do that, they should not have to have to live with fear that their

1030
01:50:04,810 --> 01:50:12,990
child is going to get taken away from them, um, and it just, you know, I get scared sometimes

1031
01:50:12,990 --> 01:50:21,790
to go aside because of what's been going on in Minnesota and I do not want to live in fear

1032
01:50:21,790 --> 01:50:29,630
that I will get apprehended and held even though I have legal documents. Sometimes they do

1033
01:50:29,630 --> 01:50:39,290
that and I feel like kids my age should not have to fear about getting apprehended by those

1034
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:48,230
people who are supposed to be taking actual criminals, and they're taking kids. So I just wish

1035
01:50:48,230 --> 01:50:54,550
that you guys would not pass bill because I do not want to believe in fear and I don't want

1036
01:50:54,550 --> 01:51:00,510
other kids my age or immigrants feel this way ever. Thank you.

1037
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:21,690
My name is Yvonne Bella and I'm a citizen. I'm a Mexican-American and thank you very proud of

1038
01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:30,910
And I always grew up wanting to be a police officer and ended up becoming a nurse.

1039
01:51:31,770 --> 01:51:37,270
So instead I decided to, you know, pass me years taking care of people.

1040
01:51:37,850 --> 01:51:43,750
So I'm very compassionate about taking care of, you know, others.

1041
01:51:44,930 --> 01:51:47,990
And sorry, I don't have anything prepared.

1042
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:53,990
So I'm kind of just doing it on the whim because I'm stopped and I'm scared and

1043
01:51:54,830 --> 01:52:02,470
we have Stephen Miller who is telling law enforcement people to step down like used

1044
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:08,430
taking away law enforcement responsibilities and replacing them with people that were

1045
01:52:08,430 --> 01:52:16,150
January 6 rioters with domestic chaos and now we expect them to be accountable for people

1046
01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:18,950
safety and a buy-by-the-law.

1047
01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:25,470
But it all has now, but it used to be a five to six months ice, they used to have five

1048
01:52:25,470 --> 01:52:32,590
to six months of, you know, training, and now it is down to 47 days.

1049
01:52:33,130 --> 01:52:35,610
So do you expect those people are going to know the law?

1050
01:52:35,950 --> 01:52:40,650
Do you expect those people are going to not train for over your other people's rights or

1051
01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:41,330
your rights?

1052
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:46,030
Because if you don't think that they're going to train for over your rights, you are mistaken.

1053
01:52:47,310 --> 01:52:52,080
And immigrants,

1054
01:52:54,740 --> 01:52:58,720
you know, the thing is, is you think that you were up here and we're defending

1055
01:52:59,660 --> 01:53:00,340
criminals.

1056
01:53:00,780 --> 01:53:01,800
That's not it at all.

1057
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:07,940
If people are criminals, you know, I'm fine with getting people out that have committed

1058
01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:17,220
a violent crime, but most immigrants are law-biting people.

1059
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,920
And, sorry, I'm just really shaking and really stressing.

1060
01:53:24,940 --> 01:53:30,980
But most people right now in the past year that have been in detained don't have any criminal convictions.

1061
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:37,280
Being here with undocumented is actually a civil infraction.

1062
01:53:37,540 --> 01:53:40,980
Did you know that? A lot of people think that it's a felony? You always call it illegal.

1063
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:45,740
It's not. It's a civil infraction. It's like you're getting a traffic ticket.

1064
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:52,740
Okay, those people have made a life here. They have raised families and they deserve to be here.

1065
01:53:54,140 --> 01:53:55,760
Just as much as you do.

1066
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:06,140
And so I just, I don't want the Disapo here doing checkpoints and detaining and pulling people out of fucking cars.

1067
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:11,220
Do you, is that what you want? I know I don't.

1068
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:12,880
And I ask that you don't either.

1069
01:54:23,660 --> 01:54:25,380
Can you hear me all right?

1070
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:38,810
My name is Lily Carlson. I am 20 years old and I work as a pharmacy technician with the corrections facility here in Jackson. I have lived here my whole life.

1071
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:45,530
And the thought of ice coming to my hometown is disturbing.

1072
01:54:45,530 --> 01:54:52,840
I come to you to ask to not go through with helping ice break up our unity, families, and

1073
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:54,340
drive rips into our community.

1074
01:54:55,620 --> 01:55:02,700
The children in schools that are scared to come home or go to school, the children that

1075
01:55:02,700 --> 01:55:10,300
are scared to go to school and come home to no one, to parents that are absent because

1076
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:11,120
they were taken.

1077
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,140
That is what I'm scared of.

1078
01:55:15,780 --> 01:55:22,640
A member of our community that may come along help notify that ISIS and our neighborhoods,

1079
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:30,290
they could be killed or injured by ISIS as we have seen in Minneapolis,

1080
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:34,520
just to help our

1081
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:43,240
fellow neighbor, not alien, not illegal, not criminal, but a neighbor. They are mothers,

1082
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:46,540
father's students or your friends,

1083
01:55:48,970 --> 01:55:52,030
and upon our local offices that are already stretched

1084
01:55:52,030 --> 01:55:56,230
in, you wish to have them redirected and assist these monsters.

1085
01:55:59,250 --> 01:55:59,250
Sorry,

1086
01:56:01,410 --> 01:56:02,970
um, that disguise

1087
01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:09,270
themselves as helpful servants. We do not have the resources nor the money to help these people

1088
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:15,510
with their agenda. So I ask you, Board of Commissioners, please do not assist breaking up immigrant

1089
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:22,490
families that hold our society together just as much as any other family does. And do not

1090
01:56:22,490 --> 01:56:28,810
ask this community to help us that will inherently harm the image of our officers.

1091
01:56:29,770 --> 01:56:34,270
This is from a non-paid professional agitator.

1092
01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:53,190
Hello. I'm a human, Gina Oheather of Jackson.

1093
01:56:55,590 --> 01:57:03,110
Yes. I'm a human. I'm a, I'm a, I'm Gene O'Header from Jackson. The Lord is with me, no one should

1094
01:57:03,110 --> 01:57:08,810
be against me. They're supposed to love that neighbors. No, our neighbors help our neighbors.

1095
01:57:10,990 --> 01:57:17,670
It wasn't planned on talking tonight. I wasn't planning on coming at all. My mom taught me to

1096
01:57:17,670 --> 01:57:22,430
stand for something or stand for nothing, which I can't stand. I'm in my chair. I got a little

1097
01:57:22,430 --> 01:57:25,290
a humor, but the

1098
01:57:27,940 --> 01:57:34,320
few little things that I wrote down is I too have spent many years as a

1099
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:43,140
CO with an MDOC 16-hour shifts back to back to back to back before COVID before we started

1100
01:57:43,140 --> 01:57:47,000
to lose the America that I knew when I was a child.

1101
01:57:49,180 --> 01:57:52,240
I don't like to be in public in that

1102
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:58,700
people know that I used to be a seal. I lost my career because of the over time.

1103
01:58:01,260 --> 01:58:03,240
I bought a couldn't take it no more.

1104
01:58:06,930 --> 01:58:07,870
Well I was there.

1105
01:58:10,150 --> 01:58:11,530
I got to know why inmates

1106
01:58:11,530 --> 01:58:21,340
were in their real violent offenders from sexual offenses murder that deserve to be in

1107
01:58:22,100 --> 01:58:28,520
there. And another part that moved me to talk to is there was

1108
01:58:30,630 --> 01:58:32,930
a Jackson citizen that

1109
01:58:32,930 --> 01:58:44,540
happen to be a Caucasian man that violated my daughter in the store here in Jackson. I know

1110
01:58:44,540 --> 01:58:51,280
people heard that it was a possible lie that was made up. I believe my daughter. Jeremy

1111
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:58,680
Alexander is the one, the former city commissioner. I stand behind my daughter and I stand

1112
01:59:06,780 --> 01:59:08,620
With all I have,

1113
01:59:11,930 --> 01:59:22,870
I wish people would start to focus on the kids that need guidance, help and support with their childhoods because they are our future.

1114
01:59:24,230 --> 01:59:27,630
I've heard just a couple of people talk about the kids.

1115
01:59:29,130 --> 01:59:33,490
They need to be invested in because they are our future.

1116
01:59:34,650 --> 01:59:42,510
There's so many kids that are in need and help guidance that don't have it in whichever way.

1117
01:59:43,590 --> 01:59:46,510
There's so many different stories. I know I have eight seconds.

1118
01:59:49,630 --> 01:59:53,630
This has taken all of me to come here today to speak out.

1119
02:00:05,140 --> 02:00:10,240
My name is Jason Warts, and I live in District 2.

1120
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:20,160
Two things. The Jackson County Sheriff's Office app inmate roster has not been working since December

1121
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:26,740
19, more than a month ago. This information needs to be available to our community.

1122
02:00:28,580 --> 02:00:37,360
JCSO says it's a vendor issue, quote, but rosters for other chair's offices that use

1123
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,420
the same app are working, I checked in Ohio and North Carolina.

1124
02:00:44,500 --> 02:00:51,140
I think the JCSO might be disappearing April by not publishing this roster.

1125
02:00:54,050 --> 02:00:55,150
Second,

1126
02:00:57,170 --> 02:01:02,550
by starting your meeting, by starting your meetings with a prayer, I assume you're

1127
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:06,710
all Christians and live your lives according to its tenets.

1128
02:01:09,290 --> 02:01:13,350
As a reminder, Jesus Mary and Joseph were refugees,

1129
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:20,030
and the following scripture stands in

1130
02:01:20,030 --> 02:01:30,310
the right opposition to your 27-g agreement with ICE. Listen to these forces and

1131
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:32,690
then

1132
02:01:32,690 --> 02:01:38,410
hands your 20-27-g agreement with ICE. The Bible tells you so.

1133
02:01:41,770 --> 02:01:43,270
The Bible tells you that

1134
02:01:43,270 --> 02:01:51,940
the foreigner is a near to God's heart and I quote from the Leviticus chapter 19 verses

1135
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:58,020
1910. When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap the very edges of your field

1136
02:01:58,020 --> 02:02:04,420
or gather the gleenings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick

1137
02:02:04,420 --> 02:02:10,140
up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor in the foreigner. I am the Lord,

1138
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:11,340
your God.

1139
02:02:14,190 --> 02:02:23,870
Next, from Deuteronomy, chapter 10, verses 18 to 19. He defends because of the

1140
02:02:23,870 --> 02:02:29,110
and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.

1141
02:02:30,190 --> 02:02:35,410
And you are to love those for foreigners, for you yourselves, for foreigners and Egypt.

1142
02:02:38,500 --> 02:02:40,520
Job 29-16.

1143
02:02:41,980 --> 02:02:45,780
I was a father to an idiot. I took up the case of the stranger.

1144
02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:55,620
Psalm 146-9. The Lord watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless in the widow,

1145
02:02:55,620 --> 02:03:03,900
But he frustrates the ways of the wicked and the Bible guide himself takes up the cause of refugees and immigrants

1146
02:03:03,900 --> 02:03:05,620
Acts of this 1249

1147
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:13,620
The same law applies to both the native born and the foreigner sir citing among years out of time

1148
02:03:13,620 --> 02:03:16,740
I can't keep going with the Bible now sir

1149
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:17,800
No sir

1150
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:19,760
All right

1151
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:22,580
I'm going to call these two questions.

1152
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:24,260
We're in this neighborhood.

1153
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:24,960
All questions.

1154
02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:26,040
I'm going to start.

1155
02:03:35,790 --> 02:03:37,190
I'm Nancy Isler.

1156
02:03:37,750 --> 02:03:39,170
I live in Sandstone.

1157
02:03:40,290 --> 02:03:41,410
I'm Nancy Isler.

1158
02:03:41,670 --> 02:03:43,450
And I live in Sandstone.

1159
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:44,350
Township.

1160
02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:45,390
I'm still.

1161
02:03:45,770 --> 02:03:46,090
You still.

1162
02:03:46,890 --> 02:03:47,130
Okay.

1163
02:03:48,150 --> 02:03:48,770
Okay.

1164
02:03:49,050 --> 02:03:50,210
I'm not allowed to speak of it.

1165
02:03:51,250 --> 02:03:52,790
I'm Nancy Isler.

1166
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:55,250
And I live in Sandstone Township.

1167
02:03:55,530 --> 02:03:57,030
In the village of Parma.

1168
02:03:57,030 --> 02:04:07,870
I had not intended when I came here to speak, but I just want, I just want you to know that

1169
02:04:07,870 --> 02:04:16,130
it's so important to resind to 87G. Whatever people thought was going to happen or how

1170
02:04:16,130 --> 02:04:22,230
they were going to help the community, obviously is not helping. There is a lot of passion

1171
02:04:22,230 --> 02:04:33,890
in this group, both ways, but I hope you mostly hear how people are fearful and don't see it as something that's going to be helpful.

1172
02:04:34,890 --> 02:04:40,890
I personally have a son and grandson that don't look like me, I fear for them.

1173
02:04:40,890 --> 02:04:46,350
I professionally worked with police in this county,

1174
02:04:46,610 --> 02:04:49,910
both city, state, and the sheriff's department,

1175
02:04:51,630 --> 02:04:55,630
and they, I found very committed and well-trained.

1176
02:04:56,750 --> 02:04:59,630
To think that now they are going to be associated

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02:04:59,630 --> 02:05:04,670
with people in uniforms, with no names and masks,

1178
02:05:05,310 --> 02:05:09,390
it seems to me that, as if I was a police officer,

1179
02:05:09,390 --> 02:05:18,110
I would be very apprehensive about how I'm going to deal with my community with that associated with me.

1180
02:05:18,890 --> 02:05:25,190
I haven't heard any good thing that could happen, and it's attacks on resources, if nothing else,

1181
02:05:26,130 --> 02:05:30,790
with a lot of vulnerability, I think, in terms of suits.

1182
02:05:30,790 --> 02:05:39,490
So, but I appreciate all of your attention for listening to all of us in our in our position and viewpoint.

1183
02:05:39,690 --> 02:05:41,010
Thank you.

1184
02:05:49,580 --> 02:05:51,740
My name is Matt Collaga district five.

1185
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:55,440
I'm going to go about this a little different. If that's okay.

1186
02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:00,740
I'm not going to regurgitate all the facts and all the things that people have said.

1187
02:06:01,620 --> 02:06:04,300
So, for ten years plus I sat in a chair like you.

1188
02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:06,720
So, I understand the weight that you carry.

1189
02:06:07,380 --> 02:06:09,660
I understand the pressure that you're under.

1190
02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:12,500
I understand the values that you hold.

1191
02:06:14,340 --> 02:06:17,520
For 36 years, I have managed service industries,

1192
02:06:18,740 --> 02:06:20,880
a vast majority of in Jackson, Michigan.

1193
02:06:22,300 --> 02:06:26,220
I have employed hundreds of your relatives

1194
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:30,220
and your family members and your friends.

1195
02:06:30,860 --> 02:06:32,500
You have shopped in my stores.

1196
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:34,900
Some of you have called me names.

1197
02:06:38,380 --> 02:06:42,040
I have employed the vulnerable,

1198
02:06:44,570 --> 02:06:48,530
I have employed the Havs, I have employed the Havnots.

1199
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:57,200
I have people of great wealth who shop in my stores, and I have people who can barely

1200
02:06:57,200 --> 02:06:59,900
make it, who shop in my stores.

1201
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:08,860
I have the very wealthy of Jackson County, used my restrooms, and people who are uneducated

1202
02:07:08,860 --> 02:07:10,040
and cannot speak English.

1203
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:12,200
Use my restrooms.

1204
02:07:14,240 --> 02:07:17,000
I have people of all walks of life

1205
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,900
who shoplift from me.

1206
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:23,120
I have had a call,

1207
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:26,620
our fine officers multiple times

1208
02:07:27,260 --> 02:07:32,040
for every walk of life in Jackson County.

1209
02:07:34,660 --> 02:07:36,640
So I'm coming to you to say,

1210
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:39,380
who do you represent?

1211
02:07:41,140 --> 02:07:42,900
Do you represent the wealthy?

1212
02:07:44,590 --> 02:07:50,190
do you represent the underserved? Do you represent the vulnerable?

1213
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:53,550
Do you represent the educated?

1214
02:07:58,210 --> 02:08:10,150
Do you represent the Christians? Do you represent the sinners? Do you represent the Baptist? The Catholics? The Lutherans? The atheists? The diagnostics?

1215
02:08:12,540 --> 02:08:15,900
Who do you represent? The countries watching?

1216
02:08:16,460 --> 02:08:23,200
everybody. If I asked right now for everybody in this room, they had a phone, the entire room would hold up a phone.

1217
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:31,080
Nothing is secret anymore. Every decision that we make is being videoed, I am being videoed right now.

1218
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:38,580
And it is going to go everywhere. So nothing that we do is secret.

1219
02:08:40,620 --> 02:08:42,540
So I'm just going to ask this very simply.

1220
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,860
Are we going to act and have a place that is safe?

1221
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:51,300
Are we going to value our residents?

1222
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:53,300
And are we going to do what's right?

1223
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:54,620
Thank you.

1224
02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:05,460
Good evening.

1225
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:07,580
Nate Edwards, Blackment Township.

1226
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,380
Okay, I want to just touch on a few things that we're said tonight.

1227
02:09:12,460 --> 02:09:16,400
First of all, for civility, we must have laws and order, right?

1228
02:09:16,500 --> 02:09:18,760
We have to have a order and that comes from our laws.

1229
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:26,840
Understand the immigration mess that we are in the reason we're having this conversation is a direct result of lawlessness

1230
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:31,700
We need to return to law. We need to enforce the law, right?

1231
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:41,360
So the lawlessness of open borders of previous administrations has put us in this mess. Now, I want to talk about I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to like kind of lightening around this

1232
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:48,740
I'm going to talk about the the children that are afraid to go to school listen if I had a parent or a teacher

1233
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:53,560
that was spinning up this kind of hysterical nonsense every day and I had to listen to it.

1234
02:09:53,660 --> 02:09:58,980
I'd probably be afraid to leave the house too. Maybe that's more on us than it is on ice.

1235
02:09:59,460 --> 02:10:04,760
All right. So let's talk about the boogey man, because that's what you've been here in all

1236
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:11,500
night. You've been hearing about the boogey man. A lot of this is just nonsense. You're being asked

1237
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:17,540
to consider things that are not part of this agreement, right? So you're being, and I know you

1238
02:10:17,540 --> 02:10:24,020
already know this, right? You're being led down this straw man path, right? So just ignore that.

1239
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:29,020
Here's another point I want to make touching on something I said tonight.

1240
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:33,620
Hey, guess what? If you're here, there's a right way and a wrong way. If you did it the wrong way,

1241
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:41,400
your illegal, that makes me a criminal. So it's your criminal. Yep. Hey, hey, let's let him talk.

1242
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:53,980
Let him talk, let him talk, let him talk, let him talk, all right, so tax dollars are brought up,

1243
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:59,300
all right, everybody's all the sudden concerned about their tax dollars, training some

1244
02:10:59,300 --> 02:11:04,420
a giving some additional training to our law enforcement coming from the same group of people

1245
02:11:04,420 --> 02:11:10,540
that think it's perfectly appropriate for our tax dollars to go to mutilating and murdering children.

1246
02:11:10,540 --> 02:11:22,210
Yeah, I said it. So let him talk or your dirty would you please escort that woman out?

1247
02:11:23,530 --> 02:11:24,750
Right there.

1248
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:35,950
All right, two two my I'm gonna this is gonna be my last point. You are your political careers

1249
02:11:35,950 --> 02:11:38,050
Yes, man. Yes, sir.

1250
02:11:41,960 --> 02:11:43,160
You're you're

1251
02:11:55,540 --> 02:11:56,720
like I said hysterics

1252
02:11:57,380 --> 02:11:59,020
Anyway, let me continue.

1253
02:11:59,500 --> 02:12:03,340
Your political careers were threatened, but let me reassure you.

1254
02:12:03,660 --> 02:12:09,480
We did have an election, and in our election, we elected Donald Trump, who ran on

1255
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:09,680
what?

1256
02:12:09,900 --> 02:12:12,360
Immigration, deportation, right?

1257
02:12:12,860 --> 02:12:17,660
And he won, and not only did he win in America, but he won in Michigan, and he won in

1258
02:12:17,660 --> 02:12:18,180
this county.

1259
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:23,860
So regardless of how loud the opposition is tonight, you guys need to understand that

1260
02:12:23,860 --> 02:12:30,140
the people are behind the decision to renew this agreement and we are behind the share of

1261
02:12:30,140 --> 02:12:35,300
and his enforcement and we fully support our law officers and the share of and thank you for

1262
02:12:35,300 --> 02:12:40,480
being the first county to do it. God bless you, God bless Donald Trump and God bless America.

1263
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:58,520
Hi, my name is Ashley Hillyard. I'm from Jackson.

1264
02:13:00,620 --> 02:13:02,580
I have no idea what's about to come out of my mouth,

1265
02:13:02,580 --> 02:13:03,500
But here we go,

1266
02:13:07,720 --> 02:13:21,600
first I would like us to all agree that we're going to rescind our agreement with ICE and not bring their terrorism here so that all these fascists over here will be happy about it.

1267
02:13:24,130 --> 02:13:26,010
I would like to

1268
02:13:28,180 --> 02:13:30,040
just purely state that

1269
02:13:33,690 --> 02:13:42,770
my family came from Germany during World War II after the Gestapo ripped the children away from the family.

1270
02:13:44,230 --> 02:13:47,450
And I would really not like to see that happen here,

1271
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:52,040
I don't appreciate any of you protecting

1272
02:13:52,900 --> 02:13:58,660
that bullshit here in my state that I've grown up in lived in my entire life.

1273
02:14:02,930 --> 02:14:09,610
Being undocumented is a misdemeanor at best. And we are wasting so much

1274
02:14:10,650 --> 02:14:17,870
of this country's money, let alone individual states, counties,

1275
02:14:19,130 --> 02:14:34,870
We are wasting our money, our resources, our time, and our people's lives on this fascist bullshit and it needs to stop before we stop being peaceful.

1276
02:14:37,180 --> 02:14:40,760
It's on the horizon if you don't see it.

1277
02:14:41,020 --> 02:14:45,300
If you let them in here, peace won't last long.

1278
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:47,340
Thank you.

1279
02:14:55,340 --> 02:14:59,860
My name is Marcy Jankovich, I live in Summit Township, Jackson, Michigan.

1280
02:15:00,020 --> 02:15:11,740
I'm a certified paralegal advanced with criminal law and procedure specialty. It's very obvious to me that the majority in this room don't support this ordinance.

1281
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:25,140
Don't know what it says. If you don't want ice in your community, then you'll support what sheriff shooting did because ice comes to the jail instead of your house or in a patrol car or whatever.

1282
02:15:25,140 --> 02:15:32,880
If you read the actual provision, it doesn't go to road control, it doesn't go any of those places, it goes only to the jail,

1283
02:15:33,240 --> 02:15:39,100
and it goes only to those who have been arrested for committing another crime, not just for being here illegally.

1284
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:44,500
So I applaud Sheriff Shuddy, because he's really the one who's keeping ice out of your community,

1285
02:15:45,020 --> 02:15:48,720
and also facilitating the removal of those who are here illegally.

1286
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:52,500
Thank you, Sheriff Shuddy, and thank you to the County Commission.

1287
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:07,140
If friends, my name is Jamie Bradley, I've been a resident and a pastor here in Jackson, Michigan

1288
02:16:07,140 --> 02:16:09,260
for the last 14 and a half years.

1289
02:16:10,500 --> 02:16:14,840
And for me, I mean, a religious conviction is that when we welcome the stranger, we welcome

1290
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:15,480
Jesus.

1291
02:16:17,300 --> 02:16:20,160
But I recognize that that's not everybody's conviction.

1292
02:16:21,220 --> 02:16:26,240
So I think the conviction that I just kind of put on TV for us, I think it doesn't have

1293
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:32,000
be about political sides, it doesn't have to be about religiousness or anything like that.

1294
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:41,720
I think it's much of what's being said here tonight is feels inhumane, and it feels, you've

1295
02:16:41,720 --> 02:16:46,480
heard the many voices, there's fear, there's panic, and it's not just for the immigrants,

1296
02:16:46,820 --> 02:16:52,960
the refugees, and the marginalized, but it's moved on to many beyond that as well.

1297
02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:58,180
And so I think, in many ways, what's being voices, there's got to be a better way forward,

1298
02:16:58,500 --> 02:17:04,220
a way in which we can find something more loving, more cautious, more care to create the kind of

1299
02:17:04,220 --> 02:17:10,400
Jackson that we've always hoped to create. And I think of the girl spoke earlier, I think,

1300
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:16,020
I don't know that the 49 of us need to speak. I think if she spoke, that pretty much just hit home

1301
02:17:16,020 --> 02:17:22,620
for me as she kind of went through all the pain that she feels as she considers the dynamics that

1302
02:17:22,620 --> 02:17:27,260
And so, yeah, I think I'm just adding to the voice of what's already been said.

1303
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:38,060
Bill Richardson, Waterloo Township.

1304
02:17:38,300 --> 02:17:41,380
I'm going to buck the trend a little bit and not talk about ice.

1305
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:48,740
I recently submitted a application for the vacancy and the region to planning commission.

1306
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:51,660
I have an interest in local planning and zoning.

1307
02:17:51,720 --> 02:17:55,340
I've been involved in these areas some form another for over 20 years.

1308
02:17:55,340 --> 02:17:59,440
I spent four years of our on our township planning commission as a township border

1309
02:17:59,440 --> 02:18:03,420
representative have served on our zoning board of appeals and I've shared our

1310
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:07,580
extraction committee for over 15 years. I had a hand in authoring our township's

1311
02:18:07,580 --> 02:18:11,280
extraction ordinance and recently co-author of our township's commercial solar

1312
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:15,680
ordinance. I've also authored other parts of our township's zoning ordinance

1313
02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:19,620
when I was on the planning commission. I enjoy keeping up to date on new developments

1314
02:18:19,620 --> 02:18:23,740
regarding zoning and master plans and I've recently been watching data centers

1315
02:18:23,740 --> 02:18:29,620
and a red up on the recent lawsuit regarding a data center land use application in

1316
02:18:29,620 --> 02:18:35,900
Celine Township. I'm also currently a township's clerk. I feel I would have some good

1317
02:18:35,900 --> 02:18:40,060
input for township submitting their plans and also think it would help me better

1318
02:18:40,060 --> 02:18:44,340
understand or better serve my own township by understanding the trends of surrounding

1319
02:18:44,340 --> 02:18:48,980
municipalities. So I just wanted to do myself, you know, I submitted a application for

1320
02:18:48,980 --> 02:18:52,880
to do finding commission and that's it. Thank you.

1321
02:18:58,020 --> 02:19:04,020
Well, my name's Norman Giles and I'm a resident of the city of Jackson and first of all

1322
02:19:04,020 --> 02:19:12,020
I want to apologize if I offended anybody by responding to the lady that was taking Tony

1323
02:19:12,020 --> 02:19:13,380
signed down.

1324
02:19:15,780 --> 02:19:20,300
I think my observation, I've only lived in Jackson for about three and a half years.

1325
02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:27,300
And I've been to a couple of hearings here before, but is contentious as this subject is.

1326
02:19:28,220 --> 02:19:32,080
I'm not surprised that the ratio is probably about

1327
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:36,020
four to one maybe.

1328
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:47,140
There's four people against compared to the one person that maybe wants to stand behind the sheriff.

1329
02:19:51,080 --> 02:20:01,820
Long time ago, I read a quote by a Presbyterian Minister and it goes something like this.

1330
02:20:02,380 --> 02:20:09,440
Nothing will keep a man in everlasting ignorance, like contempt, prior to investigation.

1331
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:18,080
What that means to me is I had the opportunity to listen to a lot of people, get up,

1332
02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:25,380
And expressed their beliefs, their opinions, and I know I came from their heart, that's what they believe.

1333
02:20:27,340 --> 02:20:34,780
The way I made that to my advantage was I listened to them to see if there was anything that they expressed

1334
02:20:35,380 --> 02:20:39,100
that maybe I could come around to agree with.

1335
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:45,940
I didn't come here because I wanted this to be a decisive, you know, us versus them situation.

1336
02:20:45,940 --> 02:20:54,020
And I hope that we all walk away from here knowing that a little, you know, it got a

1337
02:20:54,020 --> 02:20:58,560
little bit heated a couple of different times, but overall, I respect for each other.

1338
02:20:58,560 --> 02:20:59,860
I think has been outstanding.

1339
02:21:01,400 --> 02:21:02,780
And I commend the board.

1340
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:06,620
I support the sheriff.

1341
02:21:07,420 --> 02:21:14,540
I came here before when they were talking about other needs that the sheriff was asking

1342
02:21:14,540 --> 02:21:21,160
the county commission to be supportive of. And you know,

1343
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:24,900
we're going to call.

1344
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:28,320
I'm not

1345
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:36,700
an anti-immigration person. One of my best friends immigrated from Ghana, South Africa.

1346
02:21:37,820 --> 02:21:43,440
And I have another friend that came from China. I met him when I was going to school.

1347
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:51,180
And both of these people, you know, the one from China's

1348
02:21:51,180 --> 02:21:54,640
Communists, I didn't try to change his way of thinking.

1349
02:21:55,980 --> 02:21:58,680
He didn't try to change my way of seeing things either.

1350
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:03,380
Kid from Ghana, man, he couldn't wait to get

1351
02:22:03,380 --> 02:22:04,620
to get serious out of time.

1352
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:06,040
Thank you.

1353
02:22:13,650 --> 02:22:18,370
My name is Gaila Ignasio, and I live in the city of Jackson.

1354
02:22:19,150 --> 02:22:25,930
I just hope I know others have encouraged you to kind of, as commissioners look around.

1355
02:22:26,970 --> 02:22:33,310
These are your people, where the people who go to the polls, where the people you represent and work for.

1356
02:22:35,070 --> 02:22:37,730
I hope you paid attention tonight.

1357
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:40,590
I don't like being dismissed out of hand.

1358
02:22:41,310 --> 02:22:44,250
I didn't like being dismissed in the lobby by Mr. Kennedy.

1359
02:22:44,250 --> 02:22:50,610
I can't remember if you call this loons or crazies, but when we haven't even approached

1360
02:22:51,550 --> 02:22:55,410
the commissioners and we had called names in the lobby by commissioner.

1361
02:22:56,370 --> 02:23:04,430
Wow, yeah. We came here in March and April to try and warn you guys that the division this would cause.

1362
02:23:05,090 --> 02:23:09,650
One of the asks by one of you guys was simply that the lawyers

1363
02:23:09,650 --> 02:23:18,030
take a look at the possible ramifications of this, that was voted down. Within that meeting

1364
02:23:18,030 --> 02:23:23,950
or the next meeting, you guys fully were arguing over a sign that was going to be posted

1365
02:23:23,950 --> 02:23:30,990
somewhere in the county, and you made sure to approve that your legal team looked over the

1366
02:23:30,990 --> 02:23:39,390
ramifications of that. This just boggles my mind. How do you guys function as a board? I can't

1367
02:23:39,390 --> 02:23:46,710
stand up here and thank you like others have so politely done. I've been so disheartened

1368
02:23:46,710 --> 02:23:51,610
to see how you work and function. I hope it improves.

1369
02:23:54,410 --> 02:24:01,290
I will tell you three stories quickly. As a member of the Jackson County Immigrant Coalition,

1370
02:24:01,850 --> 02:24:09,030
our hotline received a call from a man actively having a stroke who is too afraid to call

1371
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:15,790
one one because our sheriff is in agreement with 287G. Fortunately, we had a rapid responder

1372
02:24:15,790 --> 02:24:21,010
who went to him, took him to the hospital, stayed with him until family arrived.

1373
02:24:22,690 --> 02:24:29,190
A student today, middle schooler, chatting about her day, stopped froze. She goes to Napoleon,

1374
02:24:30,030 --> 02:24:37,510
where ice was spotted last week on 50. Oh my goodness, Miss Gayle, I guess what? We heard a police

1375
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:44,130
Today, in the school and everyone frozen, we started to hide, we thought ice was coming to get somebody.

1376
02:24:46,350 --> 02:24:52,770
There's a man in our community who worked all summer for one of our businesses who earned $3,000.

1377
02:24:53,850 --> 02:25:01,190
And then that business owner said, I know you're an immigrant. You can't call the cops and refuse to pay him. The money he earned.

1378
02:25:01,190 --> 02:25:08,070
I use this here. We were able to stop a raid at one of the local restaurants. We were able

1379
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:14,750
to stop someone from being taken from their home. I am willing to put my beliefs and values

1380
02:25:14,750 --> 02:25:16,430
embody on the line.

1381
02:25:16,970 --> 02:25:19,170
May I have your time, Job? Thank you.

1382
02:25:31,420 --> 02:25:40,080
Good evening. My name is Marcie Henrich. I am from Summit Township of Jackson. I am also

1383
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:47,980
when I let Dina and an American citizen. I'm here to ask you to rescind 287G, please.

1384
02:25:49,960 --> 02:25:55,000
I have lived all over this country and all over this world and my husband and I have recently

1385
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:59,560
within the last three years decided to make Jackson our home. We have lived in California,

1386
02:26:00,340 --> 02:26:04,900
Austin, Texas, and moved from Austin, Texas to bring our money to Jackson, Michigan.

1387
02:26:07,100 --> 02:26:14,400
I am very fearful for my child who looks more Hispanic than I do when I know we have friends

1388
02:26:14,400 --> 02:26:18,100
that say your children should not be scared because of what they see.

1389
02:26:18,480 --> 02:26:20,940
It is not from my home that my child has seen this.

1390
02:26:21,620 --> 02:26:26,340
He heard my son and children and classmates and teammates have heard my child and I speak

1391
02:26:26,340 --> 02:26:32,800
Spanish together because I believe that is a great skill to have and to pass down my knowledge.

1392
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:40,660
He is being threatened by his classmates and teammates to have ice called on him at 12 years old in sixth grade.

1393
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:43,720
I am devastated as a mother.

1394
02:26:44,300 --> 02:26:48,820
To try and have to explain to him why his classmates are saying this to him,

1395
02:26:49,180 --> 02:26:53,020
when his father and I have not done this to him.

1396
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:55,420
We have talked to his teachers.

1397
02:26:56,460 --> 02:27:00,080
My husband, the coach of my child's basketball team,

1398
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:04,760
has spoken to the players, he understands their children, and has offered them grace.

1399
02:27:06,220 --> 02:27:11,240
Please, I cannot have my child in fear for his life.

1400
02:27:11,300 --> 02:27:15,040
When we have chosen to move here and spend our money with you all,

1401
02:27:15,780 --> 02:27:18,080
we are home owners, we are proud to be here.

1402
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:19,940
We love it here. We've summered here.

1403
02:27:21,460 --> 02:27:25,080
My husband is from here, and we moved here to be back with family.

1404
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:32,000
I am devastated that we have made all these choices that we have come to a place where there is hate lives.

1405
02:27:33,140 --> 02:27:36,240
Please, please do the right thing and protect my child.

1406
02:27:47,780 --> 02:27:49,720
Hi, my name is Ralph Siemens.

1407
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:53,820
I'm a resident of Scythe Township in neighboring Washington County.

1408
02:27:54,700 --> 02:28:02,340
My wife and I actually my family and I, we frequent Jackson dining establishments, we come here frequently.

1409
02:28:02,340 --> 02:28:11,200
one thing I want to say, as most people wouldn't know, I'm an immigrant. I was born in

1410
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:20,340
the Netherlands. Most of my family is German. When I was 16 I moved to Canada and 27 years ago,

1411
02:28:20,420 --> 02:28:23,680
I moved to this country. I own two businesses.

1412
02:28:26,460 --> 02:28:29,320
I hold two passports at this point if I had three

1413
02:28:29,320 --> 02:28:40,200
my whole life and what I grew up with, my maternal grandfather was in the resistance. He was

1414
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:47,120
actually picked up by the Germans, shipped off to Germany, escaped, came back. My grandmother,

1415
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:52,440
he never wanted to talk, he never talked about anything. My grandmother, she was quite open

1416
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:55,320
about what had happened during the war.

1417
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:58,980
And as a kid, I heard a lot of stories.

1418
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:01,500
But one thing, and I think this is one thing

1419
02:29:01,500 --> 02:29:04,440
that you might want to start thinking about is your legacy.

1420
02:29:05,220 --> 02:29:08,240
Because to this day in the Netherlands,

1421
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:13,080
people that collaborate with the Germans, the families,

1422
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:15,320
are still identified.

1423
02:29:16,320 --> 02:29:20,380
Rightly or wrongly, those families are still known

1424
02:29:20,380 --> 02:29:28,620
as having been collaborators with the Germans. Now you know what's going on in this country,

1425
02:29:29,260 --> 02:29:37,360
with ice in particular, is not right. There's not a person in this room that will defend

1426
02:29:37,360 --> 02:29:45,780
or murder or a rapist that is here illegally to ship them off and ship them back. Not one person here.

1427
02:29:45,780 --> 02:29:51,720
And I find that, you know, this whole narrative about equating criminals with immigrants.

1428
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:55,700
Hopefully, you're a little smarter than that and see through that.

1429
02:29:55,760 --> 02:29:57,840
That's just not what's going on.

1430
02:29:58,200 --> 02:29:58,820
Okay, criminals.

1431
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,940
You go fine, but that's not what's going on. That's supposedly is what ISIS mandate is, but we've all seen,

1432
02:30:09,220 --> 02:30:15,900
you don't have to, unless you've been living on Iraq, you know exactly what's going on. That is not what's going on.

1433
02:30:16,580 --> 02:30:23,800
People are getting picked up, left, right, and center. And why don't I get hassled? Well, I think we all know why.

1434
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:24,840
So,

1435
02:30:30,820 --> 02:30:35,580
I want you to think about 20, 30, 40 years from now.

1436
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:37,800
Your kids, your grandkids.

1437
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:46,740
If you allow yourself and enable, your shares department to work with ICE, that's a losing

1438
02:30:46,740 --> 02:30:47,520
proposition.

1439
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:49,840
Thank you.

1440
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:04,260
Hi, my name is Ermao Jada.

1441
02:31:04,680 --> 02:31:05,460
I'm 72.

1442
02:31:05,460 --> 02:31:14,440
I have lived her my whole life, my family, all, every one of them is workers retired from

1443
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:22,880
shops and became because of the shops here. And let's call a spade to spade. The person in the

1444
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:34,280
White House, who is a known pedophile, rapist, felon, has put all this in focus here. I have nothing

1445
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:39,080
against the sheriff. I have nothing against the city police. We were taught to respect.

1446
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:45,820
And I have my whole life. I've never gotten in trouble. I've never done anything. But I am very,

1447
02:31:45,820 --> 02:31:52,820
very scared. I have had open heart surgery. My ribcages put together with warriors. I'm afraid

1448
02:31:52,820 --> 02:31:59,360
if ice comes here, I see them. They just slam and you're down. Well, how am I going to prove

1449
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:03,760
they aren't even giving you time to prove I'm an American citizen, even if I say it.

1450
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:06,460
I'm going to be dead by the time I get picked up.

1451
02:32:06,840 --> 02:32:10,600
My grandchildren who are white, if you see them, you wouldn't know their Mexican.

1452
02:32:11,260 --> 02:32:15,940
And they brag that their part Mexican have been being told that they're going to get

1453
02:32:15,940 --> 02:32:16,920
caught by ICE.

1454
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:23,400
My grandchildren, hobby and fear, because they heard ICE is coming in Michigan.

1455
02:32:23,400 --> 02:32:32,900
my family has always been respectful look at me and I hide it you know the

1456
02:32:32,900 --> 02:32:41,780
Jews had a star I'm brown I'm brown I'm a target matter how we put it I'm

1457
02:32:41,780 --> 02:32:48,260
target I am so scared I like I said it is nothing against the sheriff it is

1458
02:32:48,260 --> 02:32:55,400
nothing can replace. I am so glad we have them to be here to protect us. Let's put it to get

1459
02:32:55,400 --> 02:33:02,940
great. Spain to Spain. They're proud boys. They're hateful. They're demons. They don't care. And

1460
02:33:02,940 --> 02:33:18,240
they know they don't have to respect the law. Trump doesn't have to respect the law. Oh, a bunch of them

1461
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:22,020
You will get a whole other story of what's going on.

1462
02:33:22,380 --> 02:33:24,200
And nobody's talking about it.

1463
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,600
Not even Trump, who should be.

1464
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:29,960
So please, I am not against the sheriff.

1465
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:31,280
I am not against the police.

1466
02:33:31,980 --> 02:33:34,360
Please do not let ICE in here like that.

1467
02:33:34,400 --> 02:33:36,000
Give him free reign.

1468
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:38,760
Look at the neighborhood of Minneapolis.

1469
02:33:39,640 --> 02:33:40,840
That's what's gonna happen to us.

1470
02:33:40,940 --> 02:33:41,940
And that's what I'm feeling.

1471
02:33:42,220 --> 02:33:44,480
Busting down the door because somebody in my neighborhood

1472
02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:46,260
there's a Mexican living there.

1473
02:33:46,260 --> 02:34:01,520
That is my fear. That is what I am petrified. Never been so scared of my life as I am now, especially because I am such a state out of faith. Thank you.

1474
02:34:16,470 --> 02:34:24,790
Hello, everyone. My name is Mary Greenman. I have lived in Jackson my whole life, which will be 71 years next month.

1475
02:34:24,790 --> 02:34:32,870
And I've raised my children here, and my grandchildren, and I love this city, it's a great place to live.

1476
02:34:33,690 --> 02:34:39,650
And now I have to carry my birth certificate with me everywhere I go.

1477
02:34:40,090 --> 02:34:49,970
Just in case, an ice person wants to ask me if I'm a citizen, if I'm legal, and I've worked my butt off my whole life.

1478
02:34:49,970 --> 02:34:57,710
And I've worked hard raising my children, and now at this age, I have to be afraid,

1479
02:34:59,730 --> 02:35:04,670
I hope you're all here in me what fear is, because that's what it is.

1480
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:10,390
I mean, as a child, we had bomb scares at school and we had to put a book on her head.

1481
02:35:10,390 --> 02:35:17,530
book on my head ain't going to save me from ice. And after last spring, when you had your

1482
02:35:17,530 --> 02:35:22,180
killology at the college, that was super frightening to me because

1483
02:35:23,210 --> 02:35:31,010
killology is not what you need to be teaching people. I respect the police officers. I respect our

1484
02:35:31,010 --> 02:35:39,110
government, but things have to change or it's going to get worse. And you're listening to me, sir,

1485
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:46,670
see that. But I hope that you all will use your hearts in your conscience to guide you and what

1486
02:35:46,670 --> 02:35:53,670
you decide to do with ICE because they don't belong in our city if you arrest a real criminal,

1487
02:35:53,970 --> 02:36:00,590
a murder, turn the person over to ICE. But a lot of the people that they're apprehending are not true

1488
02:36:00,590 --> 02:36:11,510
criminals. I'm not a criminal and I still have to be afraid. I hope you all will listen to

1489
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:18,990
what I've said and take it into your heart and take it into your thoughts and may we have a moment

1490
02:36:18,990 --> 02:36:20,650
for where they good.

1491
02:36:23,930 --> 02:36:25,570
I thank you all for hearing me.

1492
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:43,420
Good evening Mr. Chair and commissioners. My name is

1493
02:36:43,420 --> 02:37:11,540
Nancy Smith, and I'm a Jackson County resident, but I'm here tonight in my capacity as I'm on the staff of state Senator Sushink, and she asked me to deliver a short message from her, which I have, to acknowledge the moment we're in and to acknowledge all of the deeply held beliefs in this room, and I will let her know.

1494
02:37:11,540 --> 02:37:19,200
And I want to thank everyone for sharing your heartfelt thoughts, beliefs, and messages, and

1495
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:21,380
also everyone for your heartfelt listening.

1496
02:37:21,800 --> 02:37:23,340
I'm sure she'll appreciate it.

1497
02:37:23,480 --> 02:37:25,360
Okay, these are Senator Shankswords.

1498
02:37:28,190 --> 02:37:31,610
I support an immigration system that is stable and predictable.

1499
02:37:32,330 --> 02:37:37,850
A system that allows people who want to be part of our community, who want to be Americans,

1500
02:37:38,670 --> 02:37:40,010
a clear path to citizenship.

1501
02:37:40,010 --> 02:37:51,670
And when people follow that path, they should be treated with dignity and respect, and eventually by following the rules of our system, they can become citizens.

1502
02:37:54,400 --> 02:38:02,660
At this time in history, we don't have that. People who have been following the rules, sometimes even people who are citizens.

1503
02:38:03,880 --> 02:38:12,940
Today are being abducted by masked men operating out of unmarked vehicles and some are being

1504
02:38:12,940 --> 02:38:16,200
disappeared even in our state.

1505
02:38:19,260 --> 02:38:25,460
Instead of focusing on people who represent a danger to our community and ensuring that

1506
02:38:25,460 --> 02:38:28,780
The process is given to all according to the Constitution.

1507
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:38,340
Ice is terrorizing citizens, as well as immigrants who are valued members of our communities.

1508
02:38:40,060 --> 02:38:46,700
Sometimes leaving children orphaned or alone, and sometimes beating or killing people,

1509
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:51,040
for reasons that at least one judge has said, are illegal.

1510
02:38:53,440 --> 02:38:59,760
Sheriff's shooting and his officers are trusted members of this community and we rely on them to keep us safe.

1511
02:39:01,220 --> 02:39:08,780
The Office of the Jackson County Sheriff risks losing the trust of this community through its alliance with ICE.

1512
02:39:09,980 --> 02:39:14,400
As ICE engages in increasingly inappropriate and illegal behavior.

1513
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:15,920
Thank you.

1514
02:39:24,400 --> 02:39:31,900
Good evening commissioners. Amy Hawkins, Plaskite Township. It is an honor to be before you again. It's been a while. Thank you

1515
02:39:32,540 --> 02:39:40,640
to each of you for your service. I want to say thank you to all of my fellow citizens here in the room and to those that have left.

1516
02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:48,580
Those that agree with me and those that disagree with me. I think we should celebrate tonight. The fact that we live in this awesome nation

1517
02:39:48,580 --> 02:39:53,700
that we have a forum that we can come and speak publicly before our distinguished leaders,

1518
02:39:54,100 --> 02:39:59,640
that we can agree to disagree and do it with respect. That is something that we should all walk

1519
02:39:59,640 --> 02:40:05,940
out feeling very hopeful about. I am hopeful as I look forward. I stand here in strong

1520
02:40:05,940 --> 02:40:12,760
support of Sheriff Shudi and his deputies and law enforcement, but what I would also like to say

1521
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:18,320
to all those that may be disagree with me. Thank you for your courage to speak up because it is good

1522
02:40:18,320 --> 02:40:23,660
for me to hear your side of the story and where you're coming from and if we can be honest,

1523
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:30,240
all of us are going to make Jackson County better by learning and listening to one another,

1524
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:36,600
learning and growing together. Nobody has everything right, but we sure have a lot of truth

1525
02:40:36,600 --> 02:40:42,960
that we can celebrate. I would like to respectfully remind all of us, when we are in crisis,

1526
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:50,380
home invasion, we're threatened, who do we call 911? It is not just anybody that chooses

1527
02:40:50,380 --> 02:40:57,980
to pick up that phone and to answer our call for help. It is an officer that chose whether

1528
02:40:57,980 --> 02:41:04,440
it's ice, whether it's military, whoever it is, they chose to make the sacrifice to stand

1529
02:41:04,440 --> 02:41:11,700
between you and me and danger. And so all I'm asking tonight is as we walk out of here, that

1530
02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:18,660
We will remember the ice agents, no matter where they're at across the nation, they are men and

1531
02:41:18,660 --> 02:41:26,160
women, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, they have dreams and hopes and they are trying to

1532
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:27,640
do their best to do a good job.

1533
02:41:27,900 --> 02:41:28,680
Are there bad apples?

1534
02:41:30,300 --> 02:41:31,120
Are there bad humans?

1535
02:41:32,580 --> 02:41:33,240
Are there bad?

1536
02:41:35,740 --> 02:41:37,380
But there sure is a lot of good.

1537
02:41:37,380 --> 02:41:42,560
I have had the honor of getting to know and work alongside Sheriff Shootie, and can I just

1538
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:44,820
offer this one tip from a fellow citizen?

1539
02:41:45,640 --> 02:41:50,960
How many of you have invited Sheriff Shootie or any of his team to come to your community

1540
02:41:50,960 --> 02:41:56,500
gathering to explain the policies they're weighing, to explain how they handle law enforcement

1541
02:41:56,500 --> 02:41:57,940
or how they handle issues?

1542
02:41:58,600 --> 02:42:03,400
Could I just invite you to be a part of their public open house that they've used during

1543
02:42:03,400 --> 02:42:03,840
the summer?

1544
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:10,300
get to know them, you will find them to be men and women of the highest quality that would lay

1545
02:42:10,300 --> 02:42:15,740
down their lives in a moment for us and who care deeply about all who live in this community.

1546
02:42:16,220 --> 02:42:17,280
Thank you, commissioners.

1547
02:42:29,970 --> 02:42:32,950
Thank you all for your wrapped attention and your patients tonight.

1548
02:42:33,490 --> 02:42:40,550
We're all tired. My name is Kaylee LaFierre. Thank you. And I am a resident of Summit Township.

1549
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:53,910
And all of you in front of me made your stance very clear when you originally made the decision to agree to 27G, even if you did not realize the full implications at that time,

1550
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:59,680
committing to policies like these, as a slippery slope.

1551
02:43:01,480 --> 02:43:03,900
Please know that we are not delusional.

1552
02:43:03,900 --> 02:43:11,600
We know we can't change your minds with feelings and anecdotes, but we're educated, we're

1553
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:12,880
pleading and we're your voters,

1554
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:20,220
and I'm still here using my privilege, even after recently

1555
02:43:20,220 --> 02:43:25,100
having surgery and being treated for a pulmonary embolism, I should be at home, recovering,

1556
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:35,020
and safe. However, I cannot truly feel safe if my neighbors do not feel safe. The family that

1557
02:43:35,020 --> 02:43:42,020
married into help build this community and has created opportunities that everyone in this room has benefited from.

1558
02:43:43,440 --> 02:43:47,660
Not all of that family would agree with me being here and speaking.

1559
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:53,660
In fact, my husband even joked that he wouldn't bail me out if I got in trouble going out tonight.

1560
02:43:55,260 --> 02:43:58,620
But my son will be proud of me.

1561
02:43:59,620 --> 02:44:01,120
That's why I can't be quiet.

1562
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:05,860
Because if you're complacent in the face of tyranny, you support the oppressor.

1563
02:44:08,280 --> 02:44:16,180
I personally am ashamed that racism, profiling and the blatant disregard for due process

1564
02:44:16,180 --> 02:44:23,380
has become the norm, and I hope you feel ashamed if you support any of those items as well.

1565
02:44:23,880 --> 02:44:28,020
I truly support the Sheriff's Office and the police community here.

1566
02:44:28,020 --> 02:44:29,660
They have kept us safe.

1567
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:32,770
They have been trusted.

1568
02:44:33,610 --> 02:44:35,730
And I don't want to lose that trust.

1569
02:44:38,420 --> 02:44:42,980
Those who do not heed the warnings of history are doomed to repeat it.

1570
02:44:43,340 --> 02:44:45,940
And just following orders does not hold up in court.

1571
02:44:47,300 --> 02:44:47,800
Thank you.

1572
02:44:54,770 --> 02:44:55,150
Hello.

1573
02:44:55,410 --> 02:44:56,350
My name is Annie.

1574
02:44:56,570 --> 02:44:57,590
I will meet me, Greens.

1575
02:44:58,370 --> 02:44:59,210
I'm from Indonesia.

1576
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,340
And in Indonesia, it's only a police and army who own the gun. Meanwhile, in America, it's

1577
02:45:07,340 --> 02:45:13,660
everybody can have a gun for the 70 and anything. My mom and my family is afraid when I'm

1578
02:45:13,660 --> 02:45:19,780
going here. Why? Because my 70 is there is a lot of people can shoot me drunk and people

1579
02:45:19,780 --> 02:45:25,860
in others. And there is an ice coming. They are covered their face. Why do they cover their face?

1580
02:45:25,860 --> 02:45:31,600
The second one, they doesn't have like name, only like the initial like, you don't know.

1581
02:45:32,600 --> 02:45:38,400
And it's made me afraid, double afraid, triple afraid, because they could be, I'm the target too.

1582
02:45:38,840 --> 02:45:44,480
I'm Asian, I'm Muslim, I'm a brown, yellow, whatever it is.

1583
02:45:44,780 --> 02:45:52,240
And it's very well known that people white people mostly is doing the, you know, like,

1584
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:58,260
Seeing like a people who have a color, it's lower, so I'm like easily target for people.

1585
02:45:59,380 --> 02:46:08,420
And I want to say that I love America, I love a lot of people here, I love the Jackson, it's pretty nice.

1586
02:46:09,020 --> 02:46:15,300
And I want like all of you here who have a power of it to help us, to protect us.

1587
02:46:15,300 --> 02:46:22,040
Because I know, I don't have a guarantee that I can still live tomorrow, everyone can target me.

1588
02:46:22,320 --> 02:46:29,160
And I want all of you to protect us because what all of you, someone who has a power than us, thank you.

1589
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:42,200
I'm John Greenman. I'm a resident of Jackson County.

1590
02:46:42,660 --> 02:46:46,880
I have been for 55, 56 years.

1591
02:46:47,500 --> 02:46:51,080
Most of you I see are about the same age as me and somewhere younger.

1592
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:58,320
And my father, my uncles all fought in World War II, and my mother was a Rosie the Revitator.

1593
02:46:59,160 --> 02:47:07,140
And they fought against the regime that we are facing right now in this country, the same type of regime.

1594
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:15,620
They're pulling people out of their homes, kicking their doors in, throwing them into jails, and somehow dying.

1595
02:47:15,620 --> 02:47:20,000
And it's just a disgrace to this country.

1596
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:25,380
It's not just me or the people that are here agreeing with me, it's the world.

1597
02:47:25,820 --> 02:47:32,540
The whole world is looking at us and saying what in the world are these people doing over there?

1598
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:34,660
This was the United States of America.

1599
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:41,180
And here we are, pulling people out of their homes, smashing into their cars, dragging them

1600
02:47:41,180 --> 02:47:44,620
out, breaking their windows out of the cars or dragging them out.

1601
02:47:44,620 --> 02:48:08,800
And half the time, they're not even illegal, they're American citizens and they're just treating them like, well, I won't say what the president of the United States says, but that's why he's treating them in a, as far as we the people, we the people did not elect Donald Trump, some of the people elected Donald Trump.

1602
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:12,520
But I for one did not vote for him ever and never would.

1603
02:48:12,900 --> 02:48:14,080
I've never agreed with man.

1604
02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:15,080
I've never liked the man.

1605
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:20,000
I've always thought he's disgusting piece of human waste.

1606
02:48:20,900 --> 02:48:24,660
And what he does in this country is just pathetic.

1607
02:48:27,400 --> 02:48:31,000
And a lot of the people I've listened to have all said the same thing is

1608
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:37,640
I'm feeling is that it's just a disgrace to have these people being humiliated

1609
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:45,840
in front of their own families, being drug out, zip tied into streets, and then thrown into

1610
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:51,660
police cars and dragged up. I actually know some police officers, my own self. I have

1611
02:48:51,660 --> 02:48:57,260
a nephew who's a police officer, and he went to school, and we have some police officers

1612
02:48:57,260 --> 02:49:01,780
here tonight, and I'm sure they went to school to become a police officer. I spent a couple

1613
02:49:01,780 --> 02:49:09,420
years in college and then went through academies. And these people, their ice agents are getting

1614
02:49:09,420 --> 02:49:14,800
two weeks training, they don't even go to the academy, they just, I don't know what they're doing,

1615
02:49:14,940 --> 02:49:19,500
how they're training them, because they're not learning any law, they're not learning anything,

1616
02:49:19,780 --> 02:49:28,320
other than be disruptive and destroy this great country of ours. It's terrible. I cannot believe

1617
02:49:28,320 --> 02:49:42,820
what's going on. It just, I'm in awe of what's happening in this country. I know that this officer right back here's probably went to college. I'm sure he did. He learned some law and went to sir.

1618
02:49:42,820 --> 02:49:45,100
Sir, you've used up all your time.

1619
02:49:47,440 --> 02:49:49,060
Thank you very much.

1620
02:49:51,310 --> 02:49:54,490
This time the administrator controlled I would like to address the audience.

1621
02:49:56,670 --> 02:49:57,710
Thank you.

1622
02:49:59,750 --> 02:50:04,090
The two main elevators in the lobby out there are offline.

1623
02:50:04,650 --> 02:50:08,250
We're not sure why, but it is real.

1624
02:50:08,930 --> 02:50:12,350
We have a stare over here that it would rather you not use.

1625
02:50:12,590 --> 02:50:16,550
It's five stories of spiral, you know, how those triangle steps are.

1626
02:50:16,750 --> 02:50:18,030
They're difficult at best.

1627
02:50:18,130 --> 02:50:20,550
We have another elevator back here in this corner.

1628
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:27,470
we'll take you down to the first floor and we have a stair that's like normal so for those

1629
02:50:27,470 --> 02:50:32,130
of you who need to use the elevator feel free and of course those who can use the stair

1630
02:50:32,130 --> 02:50:36,750
feel free as well but try to avoid that one up there unless you're really in for a challenge it's

1631
02:50:36,750 --> 02:50:42,750
legal and all unsafe but you really got to be nimble I know I've struggled with it myself

1632
02:50:42,750 --> 02:50:48,070
yeah FYI we're all safe everything's good we can continue just want you to know though

1633
02:50:48,070 --> 02:50:52,190
That's the case. Don't run. They have for the elevators because they're not working.

1634
02:51:07,830 --> 02:51:08,350
If

1635
02:51:14,620 --> 02:51:17,180
we completed the first round of public comment,

1636
02:51:22,980 --> 02:51:23,820
at the end of the meeting,

1637
02:51:28,560 --> 02:51:30,880
at this time, I'd entertain a motion for the minutes.

1638
02:51:31,460 --> 02:51:32,360
It's so moved.

1639
02:51:33,300 --> 02:51:34,760
I have a motion and support.

1640
02:51:35,900 --> 02:51:40,080
Any questions or corrections from the minutes of the December meeting? Commissioner Bear.

1641
02:51:40,900 --> 02:51:41,940
Thank you, Chairman.

1642
02:51:47,290 --> 02:51:48,870
At this December meeting,

1643
02:51:51,490 --> 02:51:58,430
I made a motion, it was supported, we had a discussion, and then

1644
02:51:58,430 --> 02:52:02,090
the person that supported the motion initially withdrew their support.

1645
02:52:03,350 --> 02:52:06,150
And so it doesn't even show up in the minutes.

1646
02:52:06,950 --> 02:52:15,790
So our current minutes are not even a accurate record of what transpired at the meeting.

1647
02:52:21,610 --> 02:52:29,310
Your concern is that the minutes do not reflect the conversation that was had with the removal

1648
02:52:29,310 --> 02:52:31,250
of support to your motion.

1649
02:52:31,510 --> 02:52:32,050
Is that correct?

1650
02:52:34,500 --> 02:52:36,420
That's kind of what I'm concerned with.

1651
02:52:36,820 --> 02:52:40,000
What I'm really concerned with is we had a discussion.

1652
02:52:40,280 --> 02:52:44,280
I made a motion and it doesn't even appear anywhere.

1653
02:52:44,280 --> 02:52:50,380
So these minutes are not an accurate reflection of what transpired at our meeting.

1654
02:52:51,120 --> 02:53:02,100
While I've looked also, if we look at Robert's Rules of Order 482, our minutes are not compliant with Robert's Rules of Order.

1655
02:53:02,620 --> 02:53:07,260
Also not compliant with Robert's Rules of Order 484.6.

1656
02:53:08,180 --> 02:53:13,180
If you believe that way, what would you like to have added to the minutes, please?

1657
02:53:13,180 --> 02:53:17,720
I would like the minutes to reflect.

1658
02:53:18,660 --> 02:53:24,420
I'm asking for you to give me right now what you would like added to the minutes, please.

1659
02:53:24,940 --> 02:53:27,320
That's what I was doing if you'll stop interrupting me.

1660
02:53:29,940 --> 02:53:34,500
Under 17B animal control,

1661
02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:41,510
we need to add to it that a motion,

1662
02:53:43,810 --> 02:53:45,070
and you have the exact wording,

1663
02:53:46,420 --> 02:53:57,420
A motion was made to require certain procedures from our animal control officers.

1664
02:53:59,540 --> 02:54:00,820
The motion was seconded.

1665
02:54:00,820 --> 02:54:02,220
There was discussion.

1666
02:54:03,960 --> 02:54:05,540
Then the second was removed.

1667
02:54:08,740 --> 02:54:10,380
That needs to be said in the minutes.

1668
02:54:11,420 --> 02:54:16,220
So the minutes at least reflect the discussion that we had.

1669
02:54:24,670 --> 02:54:30,810
Madam clerk, could you please review review the video tape and add those items to the minutes, please?

1670
02:54:31,090 --> 02:54:32,290
Be my pleasure.

1671
02:54:34,200 --> 02:54:36,340
Anything else to be added to the minutes?

1672
02:54:39,220 --> 02:54:39,820
No.

1673
02:54:40,960 --> 02:54:43,180
But how are we proceeding from here?

1674
02:54:43,300 --> 02:54:47,260
You asked the clerk to ask the clerk to add to the minutes.

1675
02:54:47,860 --> 02:54:52,120
What was said that on the video tape by you and the other commissioner?

1676
02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:54,220
They'll be added.

1677
02:54:55,720 --> 02:54:57,220
So the minutes are amended.

1678
02:54:57,220 --> 02:55:09,600
Thank you. Yes, sir. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Do we carry? Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir.

1679
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:15,680
Can I move that we take that we stand at ease for 10 minutes? No, sir. We're going to finish the meeting.

1680
02:55:17,580 --> 02:55:19,380
No, sir. We're going to finish the meeting.

1681
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:23,240
We arrived at the consent agenda.

1682
02:55:23,240 --> 02:55:32,060
I have a motion on the consent agenda. I have support. Any items for removal? Yes, you mentioned your bear.

1683
02:55:34,660 --> 02:55:41,520
Like to remove 12B, armory farmers market project, road Jackson, least.

1684
02:55:48,490 --> 02:55:51,830
That becomes item 14A folks.

1685
02:55:53,840 --> 02:55:59,600
For clarification, was commissioner bears request to remove consent item 12B?

1686
02:55:59,600 --> 02:56:07,440
Is it boy? Yes, I'm reformer Marker. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Anything else for a move?

1687
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:09,560
For discussion? No.

1688
02:56:13,540 --> 02:56:13,860
Are you ready?

1689
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:35,590
Clerk will post the vote at this time. It'll appear on your computer. I'm a yes.

1690
02:57:14,580 --> 02:57:16,580
Mr. Chair.

1691
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:21,360
Standing committee.

1692
02:57:26,100 --> 02:57:28,560
Standing committee public safety and transportation

1693
02:57:32,920 --> 02:57:34,200
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1694
02:57:34,620 --> 02:57:34,800
Mr. Chair.

1695
02:57:34,800 --> 02:57:35,160
Mr. Chair.

1696
02:57:35,160 --> 02:57:35,320
Mr. Chair.

1697
02:57:35,380 --> 02:57:35,460
Mr. Chair.

1698
02:57:35,460 --> 02:57:37,300
We have one item of business tonight.

1699
02:57:38,040 --> 02:57:38,880
I'd like to see an appointment.

1700
02:57:44,940 --> 02:57:46,460
It's for the Region 2 Planning Commission.

1701
02:57:47,780 --> 02:57:49,720
The position is currently vacant.

1702
02:57:50,900 --> 02:57:52,560
At the time of the committee meeting.

1703
02:57:53,820 --> 02:57:54,580
There were no applicants.

1704
02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:57,020
However, an applicant has come in.

1705
02:57:57,660 --> 02:58:01,000
His name is Bill Richardson and I would put forth Mr. Richardson.

1706
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:06,110
Is there any other nominations from the floor?

1707
02:58:11,140 --> 02:58:13,920
Very non-all in favor of Phil Richardson, please say aye.

1708
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:14,380
Aye.

1709
02:58:14,900 --> 02:58:15,600
Those opposed?

1710
02:58:16,200 --> 02:58:16,800
Do we carry?

1711
02:58:20,820 --> 02:58:22,280
Congratulations, Mr. Richardson.

1712
02:58:23,740 --> 02:58:25,160
Anything else, Commissioner Kennedy?

1713
02:58:25,320 --> 02:58:26,780
No, sir, that concludes the business.

1714
02:58:27,060 --> 02:58:27,540
Thank you.

1715
02:58:27,620 --> 02:58:34,360
Standing committee's general government, chaired by Phil Duckham, Vice Chairman Walls,

1716
02:58:34,960 --> 02:58:38,160
Is standing in Vice Chairman Wall standing committee?

1717
02:58:39,540 --> 02:58:40,420
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1718
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:46,860
We're bringing back the Armory Farmers Market for discussion.

1719
02:58:47,640 --> 02:58:50,640
I would like to have I see Kyle's here.

1720
02:58:50,720 --> 02:58:52,640
Would you like to speak to that for us, please?

1721
02:59:01,250 --> 02:59:07,650
Yeah, if you have any answer any questions and I did provide some additional information as a follow up from the committee meeting.

1722
02:59:07,650 --> 02:59:13,190
I seem like the same question revolved around the lease payout to the county.

1723
02:59:13,770 --> 02:59:20,430
So there are some three different options in the additional information provided.

1724
02:59:20,750 --> 02:59:27,250
One is how it's currently proposed, as well as a comparison to existing lease with the county.

1725
02:59:29,980 --> 02:59:31,280
Questions, commissioners?

1726
02:59:34,700 --> 02:59:37,120
No, we are. I'll take the floor if I could, please.

1727
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:43,000
Okay, I appreciate to work you did put in force the three options of the one

1728
02:59:43,780 --> 02:59:48,940
Being the initial giving a dollar rent for the first two years and then transition into 8%

1729
02:59:49,760 --> 02:59:57,180
Along with 8% from year one on and I'm then an accruing one from two to four to eight eight

1730
02:59:57,180 --> 02:59:59,760
My question is the

1731
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,400
And you're getting on the sales. I'm assuming that's provided from the individual proposing.

1732
03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:15,240
Yeah, the inauguration. These are road jacks and estimates. Yes. Okay. And how are we going to verify that the numbers each quarter?

1733
03:00:17,100 --> 03:00:27,240
So I'm sure in the least, there, it talks about an audit. So we would typically have our finance director help with reconciling our statement.

1734
03:00:27,240 --> 03:00:32,960
like it'll all be tracked in a POS system I'm hearing from. Yes. Yes. If I may answer that also,

1735
03:00:33,240 --> 03:00:39,640
we do have a system that we use through our financial, surely department administrative services

1736
03:00:40,280 --> 03:00:48,160
that tracks currently a million dollar loan that was given to Zimmer Marble to do their environmental

1737
03:00:48,160 --> 03:00:55,340
work and we received a non-autumn, we received an unauteted balance sheet and income state

1738
03:00:55,340 --> 03:01:02,540
meant from him once a year and that gets reviewed and approved and I assume the same pathway

1739
03:01:02,540 --> 03:01:08,400
here because we have a system that works well. You're talking about further places like the ice cream

1740
03:01:08,400 --> 03:01:12,460
stand and yes sir. Okay I appreciate the explanation.

1741
03:01:15,720 --> 03:01:18,640
Further questions? Commissioner Bear.

1742
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:21,320
Thank you, Chairman.

1743
03:01:24,460 --> 03:01:32,260
I'm still disappointed that the rent for the first two years is one dollar a year.

1744
03:01:33,580 --> 03:01:37,680
That's, I just don't believe that's friscally responsible.

1745
03:01:39,400 --> 03:01:48,140
Today at 11.15 this afternoon, 11.12.

1746
03:01:48,140 --> 03:01:53,780
long after the deadline for getting things added to the agenda, and email was sent out,

1747
03:01:55,860 --> 03:02:04,840
including a document from Jackson County Parks about the Go Jackson lease revenue.

1748
03:02:05,380 --> 03:02:09,100
It talks about the below our three potential scenarios.

1749
03:02:10,420 --> 03:02:17,820
One scenario is the one that's currently been considered in the lease, but then two other

1750
03:02:17,820 --> 03:02:27,980
scenarios are discussed here, so I have a question, is some, are we, at this point, contemplating,

1751
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:36,400
changing the lease from what we have been discussing for two months, and are we actually

1752
03:02:36,400 --> 03:02:39,880
think about considering these other two alternatives?

1753
03:02:41,380 --> 03:02:46,320
The Administrator Controllers Office put together those two other alternatives that the request

1754
03:02:46,320 --> 03:02:53,540
to the board from Monday's meeting of General Government. It was brought up then by then

1755
03:02:53,540 --> 03:02:59,020
Vice Chairman Kennedy that a consideration should be made, and the Administrator control

1756
03:02:59,020 --> 03:03:05,980
or inform the Board of Commissioners, that on Tuesday night, if a commissioner would prefer

1757
03:03:05,980 --> 03:03:12,620
one of the other options, that we would be happy to instill that language into the contract.

1758
03:03:13,940 --> 03:03:19,960
And the listener, Grow Jackson, was willing to accept one of the three.

1759
03:03:20,480 --> 03:03:27,400
He just told us on Monday that his payback would be longer before he would actually

1760
03:03:27,400 --> 03:03:28,580
be making a profit.

1761
03:03:29,720 --> 03:03:35,760
So what we're looking for tonight is either the Board of Commissioners to accept the $1

1762
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:45,580
1.8% to accept the 248 option or the 888 option. And I'm willing to make the motion

1763
03:03:45,580 --> 03:03:52,280
that we go with the 248 option at this time if there is support for that.

1764
03:03:52,440 --> 03:03:58,080
I'll support it. Commissioner Vice Chairman Kennedy has supported the 248. Commissioner

1765
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:14,780
May I bear your question? Yes, all three of these scenarios here in year one and year two talk have costs for the cafe bar and costs for the events vendors.

1766
03:04:15,980 --> 03:04:23,820
All of our discussions leading up to us. Those two those options are for years three four and five.

1767
03:04:23,820 --> 03:04:27,100
How did they now get put into years one and two?

1768
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:28,600
We haven't discussed.

1769
03:04:28,840 --> 03:04:32,840
We haven't approved the KFA bar.

1770
03:04:34,060 --> 03:04:44,000
We haven't approved the events, vendors, but it all three options have those items in there

1771
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:46,340
for years one and two.

1772
03:04:46,600 --> 03:04:52,180
Administrator Overton, it seems to be that we're really changing this program.

1773
03:04:53,560 --> 03:05:02,840
Actually, we're not, so the contract is such that the contract is such that when he grows

1774
03:05:02,840 --> 03:05:05,700
those fees become evident.

1775
03:05:06,420 --> 03:05:10,800
So really what happens is, you know, a 0, 8% of 0 is still 0.

1776
03:05:11,460 --> 03:05:15,900
This is a new structure, a new venture, and we're going to walk before we run.

1777
03:05:15,960 --> 03:05:19,860
This is going to be a farmer's market, and we all know what a farmer's market is.

1778
03:05:19,860 --> 03:05:31,320
If Code Jackson performs the way they believe they can, that will grow into a farm stop and right on through the progression where they may very well have a cafe,

1779
03:05:32,440 --> 03:05:34,220
beer sales, things like that.

1780
03:05:34,360 --> 03:05:41,100
Rather than go in and have them to revisit the contract every time Code Jackson advances and wants to change up their program,

1781
03:05:41,560 --> 03:05:43,980
we put a contract together that deals with it all.

1782
03:05:44,500 --> 03:05:47,980
So the first year in May very well just be a farmers market.

1783
03:05:47,980 --> 03:05:56,400
Obviously, we were received no income on the rent, no 8% of the first year, the motion is 2%.

1784
03:05:56,400 --> 03:06:01,160
So there would not receive 2% of cafe sales if there are no cafe sales.

1785
03:06:01,620 --> 03:06:07,280
But rather than change the contract, every time they change what they're doing, we were one contract

1786
03:06:07,280 --> 03:06:11,540
and over time if they achieved success, we're successful.

1787
03:06:13,940 --> 03:06:19,500
But with this program that's laid out here,

1788
03:06:22,920 --> 03:06:27,840
every discussion was that later, not here one,

1789
03:06:27,960 --> 03:06:34,800
or here two, later the cafe bar would be discussed and approved at that time, and the

1790
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:38,860
events vendors would be discussed after year two.

1791
03:06:38,860 --> 03:06:46,720
So besides just the fee structure, are we approving the KFA bar in year one?

1792
03:06:47,360 --> 03:06:50,540
Personally, I don't think he's going to achieve year one KFA results.

1793
03:06:51,440 --> 03:06:55,120
But regardless of that, why go back and keep changing the contract?

1794
03:06:55,560 --> 03:07:02,300
We have it all set up now to, and as the board just has a motion on a table, two, four, eight.

1795
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:04,140
What that means for everyone's benefits.

1796
03:07:04,140 --> 03:07:09,200
it's the first year, gross sales we would receive 2% and rent from the gross sales.

1797
03:07:09,540 --> 03:07:11,500
Second year, it'd be 4%.

1798
03:07:11,500 --> 03:07:14,440
Third year and thereafter would be 8%.

1799
03:07:14,440 --> 03:07:19,080
The idea of a contract like this where the use of percentage of gross is that the more successful

1800
03:07:19,080 --> 03:07:22,360
they are, the more significant, the more rent they pay to be on.

1801
03:07:22,440 --> 03:07:26,520
At some point, we hope they have such success that they come back and say,

1802
03:07:26,520 --> 03:07:30,160
time out, 8% is way too much of our multi-million dollar operation.

1803
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:35,400
You know, we're no, I can drink, and I can understand why that would be the case.

1804
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:40,540
But then we can negotiate what one would consider a fair market value given a neighborhood

1805
03:07:40,540 --> 03:07:42,660
in the community, which we live more.

1806
03:07:43,320 --> 03:07:45,040
But now it is perfectly fine.

1807
03:07:45,620 --> 03:07:50,920
They cannot sell alcohol without a state permit, whatever, and that's not up to work.

1808
03:07:51,660 --> 03:07:55,180
So we don't really know whether or not they give it some of these things, but our contract

1809
03:07:55,180 --> 03:07:57,340
is clearly up wrong that regardless.

1810
03:07:59,530 --> 03:08:06,770
So what we're saying Tony is that road jacks and can grow and its own rate for the next

1811
03:08:06,770 --> 03:08:13,110
five years and we're going to help them along by letting them choose what they want to

1812
03:08:13,110 --> 03:08:18,870
do and how fast they want to do it but we're still going to make our revenue from each item.

1813
03:08:21,290 --> 03:08:28,070
Okay, we've discussed this for a couple of months and now at the last minute, I got this

1814
03:08:28,070 --> 03:08:34,150
email it 11 12 this afternoon. We're changing everything that we've ever discussed for

1815
03:08:34,150 --> 03:08:38,610
two months. We're not changing the article back to study session. We're not changing

1816
03:08:38,610 --> 03:08:44,650
everything. I'm asking you to be intelligent and pick from one of three options in

1817
03:08:44,650 --> 03:08:50,630
a lease agreement on what a business can do so it can begin doing its business. It wants

1818
03:08:50,630 --> 03:08:56,510
to get to work. It wants to make money and it's a private sector operation. So we want

1819
03:08:56,510 --> 03:09:01,970
get it going. We're not going to set in weight and keep procrastinating on this month after month.

1820
03:09:03,030 --> 03:09:09,550
You have before you a complete lease agreement. The only thing you don't have in it is what the lease,

1821
03:09:09,550 --> 03:09:16,190
what the lease payment is going to be and it's based on a percentage of 2% the first year,

1822
03:09:16,550 --> 03:09:24,350
4% the second year and 8% the third year. That's not in the lease agreement that I have.

1823
03:09:24,350 --> 03:09:33,390
Well, no, it's in what Mike over ten sent you today, sir. He's asking you to to attempt to comprehend what we're trying to do.

1824
03:09:33,870 --> 03:09:37,150
So we're trying to take a lease agreement.

1825
03:09:37,510 --> 03:09:38,890
That's all done.

1826
03:09:39,810 --> 03:09:43,110
That was done with $1 for the first two years.

1827
03:09:43,370 --> 03:09:46,010
I'm going to remove the $1. I'm going to remove the $1.

1828
03:09:46,270 --> 03:09:48,610
And I'm going to charge the guy 2%.

1829
03:09:51,170 --> 03:09:54,950
So if he makes $10, I'm going to get 2%.

1830
03:09:55,550 --> 03:10:00,570
If he makes $100,000, I'm going to get 2% of it.

1831
03:10:00,970 --> 03:10:04,330
And then next year, I'm going to get 4% of what he makes.

1832
03:10:05,750 --> 03:10:09,830
And then year 3, 4, and 5, I'm going to get 8%.

1833
03:10:09,830 --> 03:10:10,410
Okay.

1834
03:10:10,610 --> 03:10:11,010
I understand.

1835
03:10:11,310 --> 03:10:17,050
It's just disappointing that we discuss this for two months and it's the last minute.

1836
03:10:17,830 --> 03:10:21,590
Actually, we've been talking, actually, actually we've been talking about it for four

1837
03:10:21,590 --> 03:10:22,110
years.

1838
03:10:24,190 --> 03:10:24,370
Okay.

1839
03:10:25,150 --> 03:10:29,370
And for four years at the last minute, we make some major changes.

1840
03:10:30,690 --> 03:10:30,870
Okay.

1841
03:10:31,530 --> 03:10:33,870
I'm ready to vote.

1842
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:36,500
Thank you.

1843
03:10:37,820 --> 03:10:38,680
Thank you, Mr. Jack.

1844
03:10:39,300 --> 03:10:42,900
My question was simply the IF people proposal.

1845
03:10:43,300 --> 03:10:45,100
What did we have in that proposal?

1846
03:10:45,280 --> 03:10:47,000
And are we changing that?

1847
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:48,760
We had the $1.00.

1848
03:10:48,840 --> 03:10:51,620
The first few years and the 8% after that.

1849
03:10:51,760 --> 03:10:53,120
So the first two years.

1850
03:10:53,580 --> 03:10:53,600
Yes.

1851
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:56,380
And then the 8% is here after that, okay.

1852
03:10:57,000 --> 03:10:58,540
So we're changing that now.

1853
03:10:58,780 --> 03:11:00,240
We're going to need to consider $1.

1854
03:11:02,280 --> 03:11:02,720
2%.

1855
03:11:02,720 --> 03:11:03,020
Okay.

1856
03:11:03,500 --> 03:11:07,040
We're going to $1 in the second year, and we're going to $2.4 a year.

1857
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:08,100
We're going to $2.4 a year.

1858
03:11:08,180 --> 03:11:08,300
Okay.

1859
03:11:09,860 --> 03:11:12,860
And this, in a sense, you don't feel that those are all beautiful goals.

1860
03:11:15,790 --> 03:11:17,310
Can you restate the motion please?

1861
03:11:18,890 --> 03:11:19,390
Yes, man.

1862
03:11:20,310 --> 03:11:25,190
The motion I have on the floor is to approve the 2% 4% and 8% option.

1863
03:11:26,130 --> 03:11:29,490
Did I understand that correctly, Mr. Chair and Vice Chair?

1864
03:11:41,280 --> 03:11:42,120
That's the contract.

1865
03:11:43,540 --> 03:11:44,200
Not that.

1866
03:11:44,420 --> 03:11:45,460
Not asking you to defend the contract.

1867
03:11:51,840 --> 03:11:58,000
That's the contract for the vote on that.

1868
03:11:58,600 --> 03:12:00,580
So, you can vote up or down.

1869
03:12:01,080 --> 03:12:02,300
All things for what are you talking about?

1870
03:12:03,160 --> 03:12:03,560
Okay.

1871
03:12:03,920 --> 03:12:05,420
Would you repeat the motion that's on the floor?

1872
03:12:07,790 --> 03:12:08,150
Yes.

1873
03:12:08,150 --> 03:12:14,530
The motion of the floor is to approve the 2% 4% and 8% option.

1874
03:12:16,710 --> 03:12:17,490
Thank you.

1875
03:12:48,990 --> 03:12:50,910
Mr. Bear, you're the last vote I'm waiting

1876
03:12:57,630 --> 03:12:59,050
on.

1877
03:12:59,250 --> 03:13:00,870
Motion carries it is posted.

1878
03:13:04,300 --> 03:13:06,340
Now we're to the lease agreement.

1879
03:13:07,400 --> 03:13:09,680
Entertainment motion for the lease agreement has amended.

1880
03:13:11,420 --> 03:13:12,920
We have a motion and support.

1881
03:13:13,460 --> 03:13:15,200
Questions to the lease agreement.

1882
03:13:16,840 --> 03:13:18,860
Hearing none, Madam Clerk, could you post the vote?

1883
03:13:24,840 --> 03:13:26,440
it is posted.

1884
03:13:43,150 --> 03:13:45,150
No vote is posted, carries.

1885
03:13:47,480 --> 03:13:50,320
Thank you commissioners. Thank you.

1886
03:13:50,340 --> 03:13:57,360
Thank you, Kyle. Commissioner Walls. That concludes the business of the Standing Committee for General Government.

1887
03:13:57,820 --> 03:14:03,120
Thank you. Standing Committee Human Services, chaired by Commissioner Earl Poleski, Commissioner Poleski.

1888
03:14:04,180 --> 03:14:09,740
Thank you Mr. Chair. We have appointments tonight. There are four openings on the Department of Aging Advisory Council

1889
03:14:09,740 --> 03:14:12,840
for terms, expiring in December of 2026.

1890
03:14:15,140 --> 03:14:22,080
We have, for the four openings, we have one applicant at the moment, that is Mary Barron

1891
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:27,120
and she is the committee recommendation for one of the four opening seats.

1892
03:14:29,880 --> 03:14:31,480
Any nominations from the floor?

1893
03:14:34,130 --> 03:14:36,450
All in favour of Mary Barron, please say aye.

1894
03:14:36,850 --> 03:14:36,910
Aye.

1895
03:14:38,050 --> 03:14:38,790
Those opposed?

1896
03:14:39,150 --> 03:14:39,870
Julie Kerry.

1897
03:14:40,770 --> 03:14:41,230
Commissioner Poleski.

1898
03:14:41,470 --> 03:14:42,490
It's all we have tonight, sir.

1899
03:14:42,630 --> 03:14:42,990
Thank you.

1900
03:14:42,990 --> 03:14:49,090
thank you very much sir. We've arrived at unfinished business there is number four of the board.

1901
03:14:49,750 --> 03:14:55,990
We're at new business administrator controller policy 60 40 60 on voting.

1902
03:14:56,750 --> 03:14:59,970
I will politely ask the clerk if there's any questions on this.

1903
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:11,780
Thank you. Thank you. No, I don't have any questions. This was my recommendation. Correct, this one. If they have any questions, you're going to answer. I'll answer.

1904
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:24,180
I'd be happy to answer any questions. This is basically going with how we practice our meetings and our voting and roll calls today. So this is updating to what our current practices.

1905
03:15:25,100 --> 03:15:34,580
Looking for a motion, have a motion from SNL, support from Walls, questions, Commissioner

1906
03:15:34,580 --> 03:15:34,980
Bear.

1907
03:15:39,650 --> 03:15:40,050
Thank you.

1908
03:15:40,190 --> 03:15:50,630
We were given a, what was said to be a red line, but it's not actually the current

1909
03:15:50,630 --> 03:16:01,530
Paul said, as it is written, as paragraphs, Roman numeral 1, 2, 3, 4, the proposed change

1910
03:16:02,650 --> 03:16:12,830
as paragraphs section 6, 1, section 6, 2, section 6, 3, and section 6, 4. What is the point

1911
03:16:12,830 --> 03:16:19,470
of, that was it, red line? So, why was that change made? That's my first question. I got another

1912
03:16:19,470 --> 03:16:19,830
one.

1913
03:16:23,440 --> 03:16:26,640
And what does the six point one refer to?

1914
03:16:37,850 --> 03:16:40,950
Okay, then I'll move on to my second question

1915
03:16:40,950 --> 03:16:53,010
then I'll make my motion to amend. The, I brought this up at our first meeting because the

1916
03:16:53,010 --> 03:17:02,930
The wording was contrary to our practice, the wording would be awkward to follow, and so

1917
03:17:02,930 --> 03:17:08,810
I suggested that we change this policy to reflect what have we been doing for the last

1918
03:17:08,810 --> 03:17:09,550
seven years.

1919
03:17:11,030 --> 03:17:24,290
The sentence in question is, well, it's in paragraph three, or section six, three, if you wish.

1920
03:17:25,090 --> 03:17:35,630
When the roll call, when he roll call voters take and the roll shall be called by the member's name in numerical progression by district.

1921
03:17:37,260 --> 03:17:46,800
Now, what I find confusing, the first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation from the previous meeting.

1922
03:17:47,660 --> 03:17:49,600
And that gets what really difficult.

1923
03:17:50,360 --> 03:17:57,780
So, if this meeting, I make the first motion, or I get called on, and it goes to Corey,

1924
03:17:58,480 --> 03:18:02,160
according to our current policy, the next meeting it starts with Rural.

1925
03:18:03,440 --> 03:18:07,960
And something has to keep track of who voted at the last meeting the last time.

1926
03:18:08,760 --> 03:18:13,200
So as suggested, we take out rotating from the previous meeting.

1927
03:18:14,060 --> 03:18:21,000
What has changed here is the first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation from

1928
03:18:21,000 --> 03:18:26,170
the previous meeting starting over each month.

1929
03:18:27,130 --> 03:18:31,330
Well, it's still a confusing awkward statement.

1930
03:18:32,010 --> 03:18:41,610
The words start in over each meeting should just be eliminated, because that just makes

1931
03:18:41,610 --> 03:18:43,090
it doesn't not make sense.

1932
03:18:43,910 --> 03:18:51,270
So here is, and if people will pass this on quickly and not sit on it and hold it,

1933
03:18:51,530 --> 03:18:52,950
as you do pass this around,

1934
03:18:55,300 --> 03:19:00,240
this is the motion that I would like to make, that the sentence

1935
03:19:00,240 --> 03:19:01,320
that we've been questioning.

1936
03:19:01,320 --> 03:19:14,400
The first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation in numerical progression, period, and the words from the previous meeting struck out.

1937
03:19:15,840 --> 03:19:22,940
That makes it a much easier procedure to follow. It makes a sentence that makes sense.

1938
03:19:23,820 --> 03:19:29,540
It's a sentence that does not contradict itself as the current proposal does,

1939
03:19:36,120 --> 03:19:36,780
because the current

1940
03:19:36,780 --> 03:19:41,800
the current wording is from the previous meeting, that's not in over the motion.

1941
03:19:42,300 --> 03:19:42,900
That's better.

1942
03:19:43,420 --> 03:19:44,680
Have you made a motion?

1943
03:19:45,060 --> 03:19:46,120
Is that your motion?

1944
03:19:47,140 --> 03:19:48,220
I'll make a motion.

1945
03:19:49,500 --> 03:19:50,800
All you have to do is say yes or no.

1946
03:19:51,100 --> 03:19:51,300
Yeah.

1947
03:19:51,860 --> 03:19:52,560
I make this motion.

1948
03:19:56,510 --> 03:19:56,910
All right.

1949
03:19:57,510 --> 03:19:58,270
Those opposed?

1950
03:19:58,550 --> 03:19:59,390
Dolly Carey.

1951
03:20:00,650 --> 03:20:02,470
Thank you, Vice Chairman.

1952
03:20:03,830 --> 03:20:04,470
Thank you, Corey.

1953
03:20:04,690 --> 03:20:06,170
We've arrived at public comment.

1954
03:20:06,690 --> 03:20:09,050
You have two minutes to address the board at this time.

1955
03:20:09,090 --> 03:20:12,250
You cannot share your time with other members of the public.

1956
03:20:13,190 --> 03:20:14,730
Public comment is now open.

1957
03:20:15,050 --> 03:20:15,890
Please state your name.

1958
03:20:30,220 --> 03:20:32,040
Just to make sure I understand the rules correctly.

1959
03:20:32,260 --> 03:20:33,940
I am allowed to speak once heard.

1960
03:20:34,440 --> 03:20:34,900
Yes, okay.

1961
03:20:35,060 --> 03:20:35,900
Just making sure.

1962
03:20:39,210 --> 03:20:40,410
Well, interest for self again.

1963
03:20:40,750 --> 03:20:42,650
My name is Alex Scott.

1964
03:20:43,270 --> 03:20:46,550
We will name L. Scott, but most of the people in the room are going to know me by Alex.

1965
03:20:52,550 --> 03:20:57,150
And I, I guess, like I said last time, I've been taking notes this entire time.

1966
03:20:57,230 --> 03:20:59,790
So I just want to say this one thing.

1967
03:21:00,950 --> 03:21:02,970
I guess I can't say that, but I want to say multiple things.

1968
03:21:03,450 --> 03:21:04,690
But only have so much time.

1969
03:21:05,350 --> 03:21:10,430
But 63 people spoke in the last public comment section.

1970
03:21:13,480 --> 03:21:17,900
One person talked about something that was an ice-related mad respect, honestly.

1971
03:21:21,710 --> 03:21:28,690
One person I couldn't entirely make out what their stance was, because I did not know who they were, and therefore did not know.

1972
03:21:29,090 --> 03:21:32,150
I didn't have any context for what they were saying, which was very vague.

1973
03:21:32,150 --> 03:21:41,190
Um, eight people specifically said that they were for the 287G deal.

1974
03:21:42,490 --> 03:21:46,250
53 said that they were against it.

1975
03:21:46,570 --> 03:21:51,250
There's 53 gave statements from all walks of life.

1976
03:21:52,030 --> 03:21:53,950
Some more logistics related.

1977
03:21:55,810 --> 03:21:59,930
And some were given by kids standing up here.

1978
03:21:59,930 --> 03:22:03,790
shaking, and then on the verge of tears,

1979
03:22:07,020 --> 03:22:10,920
regardless of what you think of any of that.

1980
03:22:11,660 --> 03:22:19,120
I think it's clear that 287gdl is just, it's not worth it. It's a drain of resources.

1981
03:22:20,300 --> 03:22:25,000
It's a drain of personnel money. It's a train of public trust,

1982
03:22:29,570 --> 03:22:33,190
and I hope that you will

1983
03:22:34,830 --> 03:22:40,250
Fully, fully consider what this deal means to the people of the county.

1984
03:22:40,790 --> 03:22:41,630
Thank you.

1985
03:22:49,740 --> 03:22:52,360
My name is Trili Baker, I'm a resident in Jackson City.

1986
03:22:52,840 --> 03:22:57,220
The city of Glandell terminated its contracts with ice in the Department of Homeland Security.

1987
03:22:58,100 --> 03:23:08,060
Let this be a model of how the Jackson County Sheriff's Department and the County Commissioners could respond with thoughtfulness to the concerned members of their community who have all spoken today.

1988
03:23:08,060 --> 03:23:12,220
The Vandale Police Department is trusted and supported by its residents.

1989
03:23:13,300 --> 03:23:19,020
In turn, our officers work every day to protect and to serve with professionalism and care.

1990
03:23:20,020 --> 03:23:24,620
At this time, it is in our best interest not to allow that trust to be undermined.

1991
03:23:25,600 --> 03:23:33,060
They explained how they had worked to build a department and a city based on transparency, safety, trust,

1992
03:23:33,060 --> 03:23:39,440
stating and this is from them never the less despite the transparency and safeguards the city has appelled

1993
03:23:39,880 --> 03:23:45,880
The city recognizes that the public perception of ice of the ice contract no matter how limited

1994
03:23:45,880 --> 03:23:49,540
matter how carefully managed no matter the good has become

1995
03:23:51,160 --> 03:23:51,840
divisive

1996
03:23:52,340 --> 03:23:57,620
I again call you to withdraw from the 2807G program. Thank you.

1997
03:24:03,500 --> 03:24:06,580
My name is Isaac Furness. I'm a resident of Jackson City

1998
03:24:06,580 --> 03:24:12,640
I believe District 7, right on the cusp, so I just wanted to speak to some of the specific

1999
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:16,980
dollar amounts of the legal liability that does 287G agreements put us through.

2000
03:24:17,740 --> 03:24:22,400
It's been around for much more than a decade, so there are many lawsuits and legal

2001
03:24:22,400 --> 03:24:24,500
presidences that address this.

2002
03:24:24,960 --> 03:24:28,580
In Mecklenburg County of North Carolina, training supplies, salaries for four weeks,

2003
03:24:28,760 --> 03:24:34,360
training plus staffing costs for only 10 ice trained deputies was $500,000, but after

2004
03:24:34,360 --> 03:24:36,200
adding in the cost of detaining immigrants,

2005
03:24:36,460 --> 03:24:39,140
cost the county $4.8 million dollars.

2006
03:24:39,260 --> 03:24:41,140
The first year of operating the program in

2007
03:24:41,140 --> 03:24:44,440
Mecklenburg County, cost a total of $5.3 million.

2008
03:24:45,080 --> 03:24:47,300
The first full year of operation in the state's

2009
03:24:47,300 --> 03:24:49,620
Elements County, cost $4.8 million.

2010
03:24:50,480 --> 03:24:51,840
In Prince William County in Virginia,

2011
03:24:52,040 --> 03:24:54,840
the estimated cost is $6.4 million annually,

2012
03:24:54,940 --> 03:24:58,280
and it was $25.9 million for five years.

2013
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:00,800
The initial cost were much higher than anticipated,

2014
03:25:01,060 --> 03:25:02,780
and the board of commissioners there had to raise

2015
03:25:02,780 --> 03:25:07,940
property taxes by 5% and also reduced funds that they were able to give to police and fire

2016
03:25:07,940 --> 03:25:08,700
services.

2017
03:25:09,480 --> 03:25:12,300
Costs associated with the program have been insurmountable for some agencies.

2018
03:25:12,520 --> 03:25:17,880
We've got sheriff's in Texas and Wisconsin recently ended their counties 287G programs

2019
03:25:17,880 --> 03:25:20,680
because they did not have the resources to continue.

2020
03:25:21,220 --> 03:25:27,440
In North Carolina, two jurisdictions each spent around $5 million in the first year to implement

2021
03:25:27,440 --> 03:25:28,120
the program.

2022
03:25:28,120 --> 03:25:34,820
Maricopa County, Arizona had created a $1.3 million deficit after implementing the program for just three months.

2023
03:25:35,440 --> 03:25:40,780
One county in Virginia had to raise property taxes and take money from its rainy day fund to implement its 280G program,

2024
03:25:41,140 --> 03:25:44,460
which cost $6.4 million in its first year.

2025
03:25:44,520 --> 03:25:48,180
I have a whole half page more of examples that I could get to how I would time.

2026
03:25:48,460 --> 03:25:49,480
It is not worth it.

2027
03:25:49,640 --> 03:25:51,180
Please withdraw from 2807G.

2028
03:25:51,560 --> 03:25:52,200
Thank you for your time.

2029
03:25:57,020 --> 03:26:00,600
I didn't get up the first time, but this time I couldn't resist.

2030
03:26:00,600 --> 03:26:06,200
There was so many people that got up to speak, and they were talking about their kids being

2031
03:26:06,200 --> 03:26:06,860
afraid.

2032
03:26:07,580 --> 03:26:09,420
Who's making these people afraid?

2033
03:26:11,260 --> 03:26:12,420
I can't figure it out.

2034
03:26:12,540 --> 03:26:18,020
If they got parents that are feeding into them, kids, they should be afraid to go to school.

2035
03:26:19,440 --> 03:26:25,720
I mean, either they're listening to teachers that are given fear to these kids, but I don't

2036
03:26:25,720 --> 03:26:26,460
understand it.

2037
03:26:26,460 --> 03:26:32,600
just don't understand how many could have come up and felt that fear. You know, the Bible

2038
03:26:32,600 --> 03:26:40,500
tells us that we don't have to fear when we're doing what's right. I've only a for criminals

2039
03:26:40,500 --> 03:26:47,900
do we have to worry about fear? God gave me a spirit. He did not give me a spirit of fear. He gave

2040
03:26:47,900 --> 03:26:58,500
a spirit of love and a sound mind and no fear, no fear. So, it's just, I was just amazed.

2041
03:26:58,740 --> 03:26:59,460
That was just amazed.

2042
03:27:00,240 --> 03:27:05,700
These people that came across the border during the Biden administration, when they

2043
03:27:05,700 --> 03:27:12,760
came into our country illegally, they were a criminal. I mean, is that so hard to understand

2044
03:27:12,760 --> 03:27:19,200
their criminals. So if they come in this country and then make

2045
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:23,960
their self-known by committing a murderer or whatever crimes they want to do,

2046
03:27:24,340 --> 03:27:27,940
why would they expect people to come and get them for goodness sake?

2047
03:27:28,260 --> 03:27:36,200
Our country is a nation of laws. So please accept the fact that there are

2048
03:27:36,200 --> 03:27:40,440
a majority of the people, not because there was a majority here of the people

2049
03:27:40,440 --> 03:27:47,380
against the sheriff. We want our sheriff. We love our sheriff. We voted for him. We're going

2050
03:27:47,380 --> 03:27:53,260
to keep voting for him. And I'm just praying that everybody's going to find a wake up and

2051
03:27:53,260 --> 03:27:58,360
see what is going on with our country that they believe. They got to be afraid.

2052
03:28:07,630 --> 03:28:08,410
Hello, Boop,

2053
03:28:08,510 --> 03:28:14,910
Boop Richardson again. I'm happy to see our immigration laws finally being enforced. These laws

2054
03:28:14,910 --> 03:28:19,850
are introduced and passed not by President Trump, but by Congress over the last several decades.

2055
03:28:20,630 --> 03:28:24,390
It's the same laws that were being used by President Obama when he deported millions

2056
03:28:24,390 --> 03:28:27,450
of people, miraculously, without any protests.

2057
03:28:28,650 --> 03:28:32,510
As such, I expect our county sheriff to cooperate with federal law enforcement and the actions

2058
03:28:32,510 --> 03:28:34,290
they are taking to enforce federal law.

2059
03:28:34,870 --> 03:28:38,890
This doesn't mean I expect our sheriff to help ice capture criminals on ISIS watchlist,

2060
03:28:38,990 --> 03:28:42,150
but they should certainly hold them if they have them arrested for some other reason.

2061
03:28:42,150 --> 03:28:51,090
And they should of course handle any unrest that comes from protesters in Jackson County who violate the law, trying to stop ICE from enforcing laws passed by Congress.

2062
03:28:51,810 --> 03:28:54,510
Without the support you will see the chaos you now see in Minnesota.

2063
03:28:55,550 --> 03:28:58,610
ICE is operating without incident in most states and cities.

2064
03:28:59,310 --> 03:29:04,150
This is because most states and cities aren't resisting federal agents who are enforcing federal law.

2065
03:29:04,790 --> 03:29:11,570
If people have an issue with the immigration laws, they should lie but it changes laws not obstruct the men and women working to uphold existing laws.

2066
03:29:11,570 --> 03:29:12,950
Thank you.

2067
03:29:19,310 --> 03:29:19,610
Hello.

2068
03:29:20,950 --> 03:29:26,970
Uh, Cole McLean, wasn't like, uh, just to address some of the points that were brought

2069
03:29:26,970 --> 03:29:33,890
forward, uh, it is to say that you are not in control of what happens to people after

2070
03:29:33,890 --> 03:29:35,330
they are out of your custody.

2071
03:29:36,250 --> 03:29:43,730
Um, and I happen to think that these people are oftentimes the best of our community members.

2072
03:29:45,270 --> 03:29:52,870
And the allegations that have come out and the many cases of evidence incidences, where

2073
03:29:52,870 --> 03:29:59,770
people have been assaulted in ice detainment means that when you vote for this, you are

2074
03:29:59,770 --> 03:29:59,970
And then...

2075
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,340
Mean people, to the possibility, at least, being brutalized while in ice detainment. And I can't make

2076
03:30:09,340 --> 03:30:15,520
you see my way when it comes to immigration enforcement. I don't think that, you know, I've

2077
03:30:15,520 --> 03:30:21,060
said anything tonight that would make anyone think that, for lawlessness, or that I'm paid

2078
03:30:21,060 --> 03:30:26,720
agitated by the Democratic Party. We have a serious problem in this country where elite interests

2079
03:30:26,720 --> 03:30:34,360
take precedent over what people actually want to happen. People are frustrated with their lives

2080
03:30:34,360 --> 03:30:40,480
and with their livelihoods. I don't think that brutalizing people like many of the cases of a

2081
03:30:40,480 --> 03:30:46,320
rape that have come out recently, especially, fixes any of that. And I hope that you search your

2082
03:30:46,320 --> 03:30:51,660
conscience. I know that I can't convince any of you to vote differently. Then what you have

2083
03:30:51,660 --> 03:30:55,220
probably already decided after listening to us for multiple hours.

2084
03:30:57,140 --> 03:30:58,560
But I'm not paid to be here.

2085
03:30:59,000 --> 03:31:00,920
I'm tired. I live here.

2086
03:31:02,460 --> 03:31:04,820
And I've got nothing else left to say.

2087
03:31:06,200 --> 03:31:06,920
Thank you.

2088
03:31:13,060 --> 03:31:14,920
Hello again, Melissa Hiller.

2089
03:31:15,320 --> 03:31:16,200
Some at Township.

2090
03:31:16,220 --> 03:31:18,340
I just felt like it needed to be pointed out.

2091
03:31:18,800 --> 03:31:23,720
Tonight was quite an unhinged mob rule kind of a night.

2092
03:31:23,720 --> 03:31:27,020
And since it was mentioned earlier that wow,

2093
03:31:27,080 --> 03:31:27,960
this is really great.

2094
03:31:28,140 --> 03:31:30,280
We get to share ideas and listen to each other.

2095
03:31:30,300 --> 03:31:34,000
I just wanted to point out that didn't happen, actually.

2096
03:31:34,440 --> 03:31:36,100
I couldn't believe I tried to come up here

2097
03:31:36,100 --> 03:31:39,220
and say what I wanted to say, everybody talked over me

2098
03:31:39,220 --> 03:31:41,500
or talked behind me through me off.

2099
03:31:42,580 --> 03:31:45,360
And then as I'm watching this entire room,

2100
03:31:45,480 --> 03:31:48,080
I thought for a second, after things get a little heated

2101
03:31:48,080 --> 03:31:50,060
and then calm down, I thought, oh,

2102
03:31:50,160 --> 03:31:52,020
we know what it's actually kind of calm right now.

2103
03:31:52,020 --> 03:31:55,720
Well, it was calm because it was all this side talking

2104
03:31:55,720 --> 03:31:56,840
for a really long time.

2105
03:31:57,000 --> 03:32:00,020
But the second somebody else came up with an opposing view,

2106
03:32:00,280 --> 03:32:03,560
they just came on glued and with their booze.

2107
03:32:03,740 --> 03:32:05,620
And then there was somebody who was a teacher.

2108
03:32:06,140 --> 03:32:08,400
Being so proud that he's looking out for these kids

2109
03:32:08,400 --> 03:32:10,240
and how, I mean, all of the good stuff,

2110
03:32:10,400 --> 03:32:12,360
they all had all the bleeding hearts and all the kind words

2111
03:32:12,360 --> 03:32:13,760
and they're the good side.

2112
03:32:13,980 --> 03:32:16,580
But then the other was a teacher who came up

2113
03:32:16,580 --> 03:32:19,040
and I watched him the entire time harass,

2114
03:32:19,040 --> 03:32:24,940
Sheriff Shuddy telling him he's a fascist pig leaning at lean and over and then he

2115
03:32:24,940 --> 03:32:28,480
tells somebody else how oh I've been afraid I'm afraid he's not like he's

2116
03:32:28,480 --> 03:32:32,100
not protecting me but they're creating this environment with their own

2117
03:32:32,100 --> 03:32:35,840
hostility and it's so frustrating to watch because they didn't come to listen

2118
03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:41,020
they only they think they're the only voices that should be heard and so yeah

2119
03:32:41,020 --> 03:32:44,060
it was there was a tough night I don't know how you did it I don't know how you

2120
03:32:44,060 --> 03:32:47,960
view all of this stuff that could not have been an easy night so I thank you for

2121
03:32:47,960 --> 03:32:52,380
listening. Actually, you know what? I do have a second left if I can read something real quick.

2122
03:32:53,520 --> 03:32:57,560
This was just a meme that I thought kind of points out to hipocracy. And it said,

2123
03:32:57,800 --> 03:33:06,660
oh, look, son, rioters are shoot rioters, arsonists, rapists. They're here to teach us all

2124
03:33:06,660 --> 03:33:13,720
about peace and my thing covered. Sorry, it was about peace and equality. So anyway, it was just,

2125
03:33:13,720 --> 03:33:15,880
You know, come on people, get well.

2126
03:33:16,100 --> 03:33:16,720
So anyway, thank you.

2127
03:33:16,740 --> 03:33:17,960
Sorry, I totally blew my joke,

2128
03:33:27,190 --> 03:33:28,370
but I say I'm before you

2129
03:33:28,370 --> 03:33:31,730
as a white privilege woman and I know that.

2130
03:33:32,110 --> 03:33:33,990
I ask, and I speak for people.

2131
03:33:33,990 --> 03:33:34,970
Your last name, please.

2132
03:33:35,570 --> 03:33:36,450
Shuman, a leg right.

2133
03:33:36,590 --> 03:33:37,230
Thank you.

2134
03:33:37,410 --> 03:33:37,830
You're welcome.

2135
03:33:38,550 --> 03:33:40,710
I speak for others who can't come and give their name

2136
03:33:40,710 --> 03:33:42,950
and speak due to fear of retribution.

2137
03:33:43,770 --> 03:33:46,650
I also want you to know that I'm not a member of an angry mob.

2138
03:33:46,830 --> 03:33:49,950
I respected the people that we're speaking before us

2139
03:33:49,950 --> 03:33:53,830
as they should respect those who also spoke in normal, I call them names.

2140
03:33:55,050 --> 03:33:59,450
I did want to state that multiple jurisdictions have ended their 287G agreements.

2141
03:34:00,210 --> 03:34:03,710
I'm not going to name them because someone has already done that, but I will mention that there

2142
03:34:03,710 --> 03:34:08,430
were two on Michigan, one was in Central Iconi, due to significant public outcry,

2143
03:34:08,630 --> 03:34:14,110
Genesee County due to difficulty in getting officers trained. It's not something that cannot be done.

2144
03:34:15,170 --> 03:34:19,770
Why should these agreements have been ended? They've also been linked to other concerns for

2145
03:34:19,770 --> 03:34:26,150
liability, racial profiling, is one of the most common reasons that's been leading to federal

2146
03:34:26,150 --> 03:34:31,430
investigations and lawsuits, community opposition, strong local pushback, is encouragement

2147
03:34:31,430 --> 03:34:35,010
and that's the path to withdrawal or to reject new agreements.

2148
03:34:36,730 --> 03:34:41,410
Resource diversion, share of sometimes find the program diverts resources from their

2149
03:34:41,410 --> 03:34:43,110
core, public safety.

2150
03:34:43,110 --> 03:34:50,210
I know that ending 287G is not going to end, and it will not remove them, but I believe that

2151
03:34:50,210 --> 03:34:52,350
it will personally increase trust.

2152
03:34:53,230 --> 03:34:57,770
I also want to say I'm not asking you to be complicit with any part of what's happening

2153
03:34:57,770 --> 03:34:58,770
in our country.

2154
03:34:59,410 --> 03:35:02,350
I will also tell you that I respect our sheriff's department.

2155
03:35:02,350 --> 03:35:06,790
I respect the job that they do when I respect the protection that they do for this community.

2156
03:35:07,230 --> 03:35:11,490
I respect the job that you do and I really hope that you will take a lot of these things

2157
03:35:11,490 --> 03:35:14,790
and a consideration as your evening ends. Thank you.

2158
03:35:23,940 --> 03:35:25,260
Kurt Cole, Leonie Township.

2159
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:29,880
I want to speak to you on an entirely different issue because it's obviously needed.

2160
03:35:31,180 --> 03:35:40,680
It's more about budgeting and it's more about who dedicated their budget towards certain things that the police officers are going to need.

2161
03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:44,660
Like your 800 hertz radios that are coming up.

2162
03:35:44,760 --> 03:35:46,460
I know that you both have portable ones.

2163
03:35:46,920 --> 03:35:48,600
I don't know if those ones monitor in cars.

2164
03:35:49,480 --> 03:35:56,800
And then I think it's important to know that obviously the state police are going to fund the state police when they need their radios.

2165
03:35:57,000 --> 03:36:04,000
The county should fund the county police for their radios and the same should be true for every township.

2166
03:36:04,840 --> 03:36:18,580
If the townships cannot afford what it takes to outfit their police officers, then they need to start thinking about possibly leaning towards the county for a quote for what it would take.

2167
03:36:18,580 --> 03:36:23,740
to do law enforcement in their area and possibly give up their law enforcement in their

2168
03:36:23,740 --> 03:36:29,920
townships if they cannot afford them. I say this is an extracity, only only township,

2169
03:36:30,340 --> 03:36:36,780
to where obviously we had to buy everything to outfit our police. When I was on the board,

2170
03:36:37,820 --> 03:36:44,720
we knew that the county was going to do the first time buying of the, I believe it was 2017,

2171
03:36:44,720 --> 03:36:49,980
They bought the radios from us, but we were so for us, excuse me, but we were

2172
03:36:49,980 --> 03:36:55,880
supposed to have an outlight plan or an out for 10 years later, and obviously

2173
03:36:55,880 --> 03:36:57,300
that's came to date now.

2174
03:36:58,480 --> 03:37:02,680
So the long short of this is townships have to be responsible for

2175
03:37:02,680 --> 03:37:08,200
out in the outfit in their police officers with the appropriate tools to do the job.

2176
03:37:09,420 --> 03:37:14,100
So if they want to outsource it to the county, counties should be happy to

2177
03:37:14,100 --> 03:37:18,020
on the radio's at that point when they worked for the County Escalony police officers.

2178
03:37:18,680 --> 03:37:21,680
So thank you and hope you guys have a great night.

2179
03:37:31,920 --> 03:37:33,100
Any other public comment?

2180
03:37:35,620 --> 03:37:38,080
Seeing none, Commissioner Collins, Commissioner Bear.

2181
03:37:40,660 --> 03:37:41,160
Thank you, Chairman.

2182
03:37:46,210 --> 03:37:50,970
I'm just going to refer to the different groups as the Democrats of the Republicans, because

2183
03:37:50,970 --> 03:37:52,710
that's pretty much what they were.

2184
03:37:55,290 --> 03:38:00,150
The Democrats seem to be not in touch with previous, with past history.

2185
03:38:00,150 --> 03:38:08,630
It was Bill Clinton that deported 13 million illegal aliens.

2186
03:38:09,670 --> 03:38:17,510
George Bush deported 10 million, Barack Obama deported 10 million.

2187
03:38:18,930 --> 03:38:24,130
So deporting people that came here illegally isn't anything new.

2188
03:38:25,130 --> 03:38:29,910
These people are just suffering from TDS, from the range from its syndrome.

2189
03:38:29,910 --> 03:38:38,430
It's a mental order disorder that you get as contagious depends who you hang out with.

2190
03:38:40,150 --> 03:38:41,790
Why do the kids not feel safe?

2191
03:38:42,550 --> 03:38:46,250
Well, we have teachers that are telling them they shouldn't be safe.

2192
03:38:47,210 --> 03:38:53,810
Our teacher here today, Jason Hill, from Jackson High, he was the only one that used vulgar

2193
03:38:53,810 --> 03:38:55,630
language that I noted tonight.

2194
03:38:56,210 --> 03:39:01,670
And he's teaching our kids, and he's a Democrat, so we know which way he's leaning.

2195
03:39:05,080 --> 03:39:11,900
I got some static, when people were standing all over, there were people standing behind me,

2196
03:39:12,000 --> 03:39:15,060
there were people standing pretty much where the camera is now.

2197
03:39:15,740 --> 03:39:22,440
Some lady kept looking at me, because I could listen and I could look this way.

2198
03:39:25,160 --> 03:39:28,360
And the Democrats were saying, they don't feel safe.

2199
03:39:29,140 --> 03:39:35,780
But I don't feel safe when I got people on the opposite side of the political spectrum for me.

2200
03:39:36,340 --> 03:39:38,500
Circling around behind me.

2201
03:39:38,680 --> 03:39:40,900
I don't trust people behind me.

2202
03:39:41,940 --> 03:39:45,580
And it's the Democrats that get violent.

2203
03:39:45,860 --> 03:39:48,460
That's why I didn't trust them behind me.

2204
03:39:48,600 --> 03:39:50,320
I could hear everything was being said.

2205
03:39:50,320 --> 03:39:55,460
But I was keeping an eye on them until I couldn't take it anymore and I couldn't get out of here.

2206
03:39:56,440 --> 03:40:04,960
So, my fears were proof correct, little later in the meeting.

2207
03:40:06,560 --> 03:40:12,140
Republicans don't attack Democrats when we have differences of opinion.

2208
03:40:12,140 --> 03:40:19,720
It's only the Democrats that physically attacked the Republicans just like that lady did, she

2209
03:40:19,720 --> 03:40:25,100
came stomping up here, she thought because we had different opinions, she was entitled

2210
03:40:25,100 --> 03:40:32,900
to take what was mine, she was entitled to being aggressive, physical, steel, my stuff,

2211
03:40:33,940 --> 03:40:35,580
only Democrats do that.

2212
03:40:39,480 --> 03:40:44,920
Ice is, no, I had my sign up here before she stole it, I love ice, yeah, we need ice.

2213
03:40:47,260 --> 03:40:59,860
Donald Trump campaigned on getting the illegals out, the one, the popular vote, he won

2214
03:40:59,860 --> 03:41:08,480
the Electoral College, he won the seven swing states, that's a mandate from the citizens

2215
03:41:08,480 --> 03:41:09,420
of the nation.

2216
03:41:09,420 --> 03:41:19,280
He said, he's going to have ice get rid of the illegals, he's just following through on a campaign promise that just shows he has integrity.

2217
03:41:19,980 --> 03:41:26,520
And his campaign promises mean something to him, he's following through, and I love him for that.

2218
03:41:29,580 --> 03:41:30,500
I support our sheriff.

2219
03:41:31,280 --> 03:41:36,460
I've supported him in this people and everything that I've ever asked for, I always will.

2220
03:41:36,460 --> 03:41:45,740
I support ICE. The people that were speaking were often very ill informed of what ICE

2221
03:41:45,740 --> 03:41:54,740
does. And I'm disappointed in something I'm not going on. But I'll ask, I'm going to give

2222
03:41:54,740 --> 03:42:00,700
my brief description. And I'll ask the sheriff to correct me if he thinks I'm wrong. Our

2223
03:42:00,700 --> 03:42:07,140
There if does not go out and look for Hispanics to arrest, it doesn't do that.

2224
03:42:08,040 --> 03:42:15,520
If somebody, me, anybody, whatever, back around they're from, if they commit a crime and

2225
03:42:15,520 --> 03:42:20,400
they're arrested for their crime, they're put into our jail.

2226
03:42:21,600 --> 03:42:26,240
If, after they're in our jail, we find out, oh, I just has a war to get so many people.

2227
03:42:26,240 --> 03:42:33,360
Then they call ICE and say hey we got one of your we got one of your people here of that you have a worn out for

2228
03:42:34,440 --> 03:42:38,580
If the guy makes bail before ICE gets here he just walks he just gets out

2229
03:42:39,780 --> 03:42:47,500
Never to be seen again that has happened if ICE gets here within the 48 hours. They say thank you and I take you guys

2230
03:42:48,880 --> 03:42:54,040
Another wear of any big cost associated with that next. I'm not aware of any cost whether whatsoever

2231
03:42:58,360 --> 03:43:08,400
But the fear, the supposed fear in the community, you just got the Democrats teaching their kids to hate Trump, be afraid of Trump, be afraid of ICE.

2232
03:43:09,060 --> 03:43:12,840
Now, the boogeyman is going to come and get you, pull you out of your school.

2233
03:43:14,180 --> 03:43:15,120
That's just not happening.

2234
03:43:16,320 --> 03:43:22,280
So, I support ICE. I support our sheriff having his, what is that?

2235
03:43:22,280 --> 03:43:29,120
it is having G, your agreement with ICE. I like that and I hope the sheriff continues that

2236
03:43:31,300 --> 03:43:31,940
and

2237
03:43:34,690 --> 03:43:37,190
let's see, I got some notes here,

2238
03:43:40,930 --> 03:43:44,390
and they feel, they say they don't feel safe because of

2239
03:43:45,110 --> 03:43:52,230
in my opinion, just gossip and talking and bad propaganda.

2240
03:43:54,470 --> 03:43:56,490
I feel unsafe when I got people coming

2241
03:43:56,490 --> 03:44:03,430
behind me because they proved tonight that they are the ones that get physical and think

2242
03:44:03,430 --> 03:44:07,530
they're entitled to assault. That was an assault.

2243
03:44:09,950 --> 03:44:10,110
Thanks.

2244
03:44:13,850 --> 03:44:21,630
Commissioner Willis. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I plan to shut up, but sorry, inside days. When I was a little boy

2245
03:44:22,170 --> 03:44:28,390
and I would try to justify things to my mother because somebody else was doing it. She'd always say to me,

2246
03:44:28,390 --> 03:44:35,990
The right is right if nobody does it and wrong is still wrong if everybody does it.

2247
03:44:36,430 --> 03:44:39,170
There are no just one side doing different things.

2248
03:44:41,290 --> 03:44:43,970
We have a division going on right now.

2249
03:44:44,310 --> 03:44:47,750
What important thing to remember tonight is a great peaceful protest.

2250
03:44:48,590 --> 03:44:50,350
That's what we should be about, period.

2251
03:44:51,130 --> 03:44:55,310
We have institutions in this country that won't protect themselves.

2252
03:44:55,310 --> 03:44:59,710
Our laws, our courts, our elections, our schools.

2253
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,020
Media, our churches, they won't protect themselves. If we don't demand that they do what they're supposed to do.

2254
03:45:06,980 --> 03:45:12,260
Sir, shooting is actually a good friend of mine. Him and on the sheriff's steward. We've had

2255
03:45:12,260 --> 03:45:17,640
add nauseam talks about 2070. He knows how I feel about it. He knows that my problem

2256
03:45:17,640 --> 03:45:23,040
with it is the type of warrants that ICE uses. Administrative warrants versus judicial

2257
03:45:23,040 --> 03:45:28,100
warrants. And I do judicial system where judges and people that's going by those laws follow

2258
03:45:28,100 --> 03:45:33,220
and issue those. My other part of it we presented before was the litigation that has happened in

2259
03:45:33,220 --> 03:45:37,800
several cities because of violations of the fourth and fifth amendment. That doesn't affect

2260
03:45:37,800 --> 03:45:43,100
my relationship with sheriff's shooting. We can still talk, we can still go to lunch, because

2261
03:45:43,100 --> 03:45:48,040
through a people who have different things. We have to understand regardless of what happened.

2262
03:45:48,800 --> 03:45:54,900
When facts are blurred, abuses are minimized, when people are told not to believe what they see,

2263
03:45:54,900 --> 03:46:04,970
Our democracy begins to erode peaceful protests like we have tonight is the one way that citizens can come and bring the truth back to the floor

2264
03:46:07,580 --> 03:46:08,740
My strongest

2265
03:46:10,100 --> 03:46:18,620
Emphasis of the night is listen to the voices that we say that we hear listen to what your your eyes show you

2266
03:46:18,620 --> 03:46:21,900
When your eyes show you something's not right. I don't care who's doing it

2267
03:46:22,600 --> 03:46:30,020
Like my mother said, right is right if nobody does it and wrong is still wrong if everybody

2268
03:46:30,020 --> 03:46:31,100
does it.

2269
03:46:31,360 --> 03:46:32,540
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2270
03:46:35,590 --> 03:46:36,730
Any other commissioners?

2271
03:46:37,130 --> 03:46:37,670
Commissioner Kennedy.

2272
03:46:39,070 --> 03:46:39,670
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2273
03:46:39,750 --> 03:46:43,390
First, I'd like to thank everybody that stayed and actually watched the county business

2274
03:46:43,390 --> 03:46:43,950
tonight.

2275
03:46:44,810 --> 03:46:50,350
Okay, because we see a real thin room now, a lot of people are here probably further five minutes

2276
03:46:50,350 --> 03:46:54,090
of fame and I'm, you know, can we respect the passion for it?

2277
03:46:55,570 --> 03:46:58,270
But did they really care about what's going on in the county?

2278
03:46:58,590 --> 03:46:59,890
I think it's pretty obvious.

2279
03:47:00,350 --> 03:47:00,910
No, they left.

2280
03:47:02,150 --> 03:47:05,730
Secondly, I'm going to address this to you, Mr. Chair,

2281
03:47:05,750 --> 03:47:06,490
into the administrator.

2282
03:47:06,850 --> 03:47:08,370
What happened tonight?

2283
03:47:10,650 --> 03:47:15,210
Approaching the bench and whether you put your hands on a commissioner,

2284
03:47:16,190 --> 03:47:18,130
you take personal property, it's unacceptable.

2285
03:47:19,390 --> 03:47:20,770
Right is right, wrong is wrong.

2286
03:47:20,850 --> 03:47:21,710
You're right, commissioner.

2287
03:47:21,710 --> 03:47:28,710
us and that's wrong. Coming on to the stage platform and encroaching on commissioners, that is wrong.

2288
03:47:29,710 --> 03:47:34,670
I see the chairman of the Jackson County Democratic Party out there. Some of those people

2289
03:47:35,270 --> 03:47:40,890
are in your committee. I reach out to you to talk about civility, civil debate.

2290
03:47:43,130 --> 03:47:49,650
What I saw tonight was Lady Wright here, summed it up.

2291
03:47:49,650 --> 03:47:53,830
One side spoke, the other side was respectful, there wasn't cheers.

2292
03:47:55,030 --> 03:47:59,770
Deferring opinion was made, and they had to be told to be quiet, just to let the person

2293
03:47:59,770 --> 03:48:00,730
have their three minutes.

2294
03:48:01,550 --> 03:48:05,850
You don't have to agree with everybody, but you can be respectful, we're all neighbors of each

2295
03:48:05,850 --> 03:48:06,350
other.

2296
03:48:07,770 --> 03:48:12,470
Secondly, someone personally addressed me tonight, and I will say what I called the woman,

2297
03:48:12,650 --> 03:48:17,010
I called her unhinged, and I will define you what I mean by unhinged.

2298
03:48:17,010 --> 03:48:23,090
When I walk into a building to go to a meeting and conduct business, and I'm aggressively

2299
03:48:23,090 --> 03:48:26,590
approached and told that my family is going to be deported,

2300
03:48:28,690 --> 03:48:29,790
it's unacceptable.

2301
03:48:30,610 --> 03:48:32,330
It's just terrible.

2302
03:48:32,690 --> 03:48:35,450
It's almost like a school yard bully.

2303
03:48:37,270 --> 03:48:39,130
And so yeah, I react and laughed.

2304
03:48:39,310 --> 03:48:40,930
I don't tell their sheets unhinged.

2305
03:48:41,130 --> 03:48:42,330
Thank you very much.

2306
03:48:42,330 --> 03:48:50,290
Glad you get a research that I married it a woman from a different country and I did it the legal route

2307
03:48:51,650 --> 03:48:53,290
A lot of people have

2308
03:48:53,290 --> 03:48:54,990
It's not easy

2309
03:48:55,530 --> 03:48:58,890
So I'll paperwork you pay fees. They get a criminal background check

2310
03:48:59,670 --> 03:49:07,230
They get disease checks. Okay, so when you see people cross the border and jump the line and didn't go through that process

2311
03:49:08,210 --> 03:49:10,090
And you had to go through that process

2312
03:49:10,090 --> 03:49:16,170
Well, there's some of us up here that respect our immigration laws and they're on the books for a reason.

2313
03:49:16,790 --> 03:49:19,130
And it is so that you can properly vet people.

2314
03:49:20,070 --> 03:49:26,150
Not anybody and everybody can just walk across the border and become a citizen if we don't know who that person is.

2315
03:49:27,890 --> 03:49:34,470
Lastly, I'd like to thank Chairman for compromising on that Accelerate Jackson lease.

2316
03:49:34,470 --> 03:49:44,150
I appreciate that that you were open to more than just the dollar, at least I don't believe in subsidizing the private sector.

2317
03:49:44,730 --> 03:49:48,210
So I appreciate the compromise that came with those three options.

2318
03:49:48,690 --> 03:49:52,850
And also to our shares department, thank you tonight for keeping order in the room.

2319
03:49:53,230 --> 03:49:55,710
I'm being professional. Thank you. Thank you all three of

2320
03:50:01,180 --> 03:50:01,740
you.

2321
03:50:01,780 --> 03:50:03,860
Any other commissioners? Commissioner Williams.

2322
03:50:04,760 --> 03:50:06,680
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be brief.

2323
03:50:08,740 --> 03:50:17,980
I had the opportunity to be the keynote speaker for an event on yesterday, and one of the

2324
03:50:17,980 --> 03:50:23,760
things that I mentioned yesterday was a quote from the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, and

2325
03:50:23,760 --> 03:50:29,400
he said that in justice anywhere, as a threat to justice everywhere.

2326
03:50:29,400 --> 03:50:39,080
I think that when we look at the ask tonight, the voice of the evening, whether it's

2327
03:50:39,080 --> 03:50:44,540
four or against, I think it does present us with a question.

2328
03:50:45,620 --> 03:50:50,800
Now we as a, as a counting board, as it was mentioned tonight, I think one or two persons

2329
03:50:50,800 --> 03:50:58,200
mentioned it when this was just, when the 27 program was just an idea, there was an ask that

2330
03:50:58,200 --> 03:51:04,480
came forth and asked for an investigation prior to the acceptance and that motion was turned

2331
03:51:04,480 --> 03:51:05,040
down.

2332
03:51:05,400 --> 03:51:12,540
And we moved forward with the plan, but I think that as we've learned more information, as

2333
03:51:12,540 --> 03:51:20,360
we've seen things continue to develop, as we've seen other counties in other states, having

2334
03:51:20,360 --> 03:51:27,780
similar programs and them developing into other things, I think it warns us to be cautious and

2335
03:51:27,780 --> 03:51:35,680
be mindful of how we move forward and so much to chair if I'm in order. I would call it to

2336
03:51:35,680 --> 03:51:44,020
the Sheriff Department to yet again ask for an investigation of this program making sure that

2337
03:51:44,020 --> 03:51:51,320
we have not infringed upon any guidelines that we have not infringed upon any rules that

2338
03:51:51,320 --> 03:51:57,760
are associated to the 287 program. I'd even like to know the number of officers that have

2339
03:51:57,760 --> 03:52:02,660
been trained, the dollars are associated with that, just making sure that as we move

2340
03:52:02,660 --> 03:52:07,840
forward, if this is the program that the county has, that we're continuing to do this

2341
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:09,520
and right and in good order.

2342
03:52:09,880 --> 03:52:18,100
I think our constituents deserve to know the information and I think if it helps us to bring

2343
03:52:18,100 --> 03:52:22,760
us closer to peace and bring us closer to a better understanding, I don't think that's

2344
03:52:22,760 --> 03:52:23,560
a hard ask.

2345
03:52:23,560 --> 03:52:34,540
And at the very end of the day, it puts all the information on the front street and it shows the community what it is, what it is not.

2346
03:52:34,760 --> 03:52:42,820
And it also shows the border of it, if you will, and the controls, I think, is a better word.

2347
03:52:42,880 --> 03:52:47,260
The controls of what the two A7 program is, Mr. Chair.

2348
03:52:56,320 --> 03:52:57,960
That completes Commissioner comments.

2349
03:52:57,960 --> 03:53:00,960
We have no closed session, entertain a motion to adjourn.

2350
03:53:03,300 --> 03:53:05,960
If a motion in support, all in favor, please say aye.

2351
03:53:06,920 --> 03:53:07,500
It was a pose.