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But on tonight, we have some things that we need to discuss.
There are voices that need to be heard.
God, there's a truth that need to be spoken.
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Talk to us as commissioners to do the work of the people in today.
We thank you. We honor you, Reverend Sue, and your holy and righteous name we do pray. Amen.
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Public comment is now open.
You didn't even know everyone.
My name is Amidori Bara.
I live in some a township.
I'm here to ask the Jackson County Office of the Sheriff
to withdraw from the 287G Immigration and Customs Enforcement Program.
I'm also asking the Jackson County Board of Commissioners
to initiate a study to assess and determine
the potential civil and fiscal liabilities
and responsibilities because of the county's enrollment in the 287G program.
I do understand the explanations for the enrollment in the program,
and I know the Office of the Sheriff has made some positive course corrections in the culture of the agency from the previous administration.
I also appreciate the Office of the Sheriff for their participation in the Safe Program.
I am asking the Office of the Sheriff to withdraw from the 287G program,
because I do not think our tax dollars should be invested in a program that puts our
constitutional protections in danger.
The fourth amendment of the United States Constitution grants the right of the people
against unreasonable searches and seizures.
And enrollment in the 287G program can potentially present the appearance of a welcoming
community for immigration enforcement actions based on unwarranted documentation.
No one wants that.
The 5th and 14th amendments grant every person the protections against being deprived life, liberty, and property without due process of law.
Enrollment in the 287G program can potentially encourage immigration enforcement in our community to engage people with actions that are outside of that due process.
No one wants that either.
I am asking the County Board of Commissioners to perform that your due diligence to identify
possible liabilities, so our taxpayer dollars can be protected from having to be used
to resolve responsibilities that may be caused by the enrollment in the 287G program.
For these reasons, I am asking the Jackson County Office of the Sheriff to withdraw the 287G
program.
Thank you.
My name is Becky McKenney, I live in Parma, and I would just like to add my voice to what I'm at or just stated.
When I look at the Sheriff's website, he talks about his concerns and his good wishes for the community and Jackson County.
And for Jackson County, there we go. Sorry about that.
He wants Jackson County to be a safe community to live, work, and play, but the enrollment
in the 287G program has already made that difficult.
The Hispanic Heritage Festival last summer was canceled because of the chilling effect
of that agreement.
And my concerns are, I understand that this is to focus on those in custody and try to
ascertain the citizenship status of people who are already in custody.
But I just have to say that the conduct of ICE throughout the country has not inspired
confidence, has not helped me to feel as a citizen that our involvement with that organization
makes this a safer place.
The reports coming in from around the country about how ISIS conducting itself are alarming.
And I would like to add my voice to...
Mr. Ubarra's request that we withdraw from the 287G. Because if we want this to be a safe community to live
where we can play, this is not an agreement that will help most of us to feel that way. Thank you.
My name is Tread Traxxler from Summit Township, precinct to delegate. As we begin 2026, I would like to express my thanks to all the commissioners for
work in governing our county to provide a safe place to live, work and play.
County parks give us enjoyment of the outdoors.
You have a lot of the significant resource for our county sheriff's department.
The freedom we have as citizens of the United States, note that our protections in the
legal aliens.
Please be respectful. The freedom we have is citizens of the United States
depends on the role of law. I appreciate and support Sheriff Shruti and his deputies
to provide the highest quality law enforcement services to the citizens of Jackson County.
In the course of duty, this may involve locking up criminals in jail, some of whom may be illegal
aliens. I approve of cooperating with U.S. immigration and customs enforcement, also known as
ICE, to hold those criminals for pickup, and I urge the commissioners to support the sheriff
in his cooperation with ICE. It is for our safety as citizens. Thank you.
Good evening, commissioners. My name is Cole Mackeldany, and I'm a lifelong fourth generation
Jackson County resident. I'm asking you commissioners to withdraw from the 287G program.
My great grandfather came here from a small hamlet outside Paduka Kentucky for a union job
at the Good Year factory. The kind of job that allowed many families like mine and others
to put down roots here to thrive here and to call this place home for more than 70 years.
It's a testament to how Jackson County gave working people a chance to build stable lives.
And it is that legacy that has always allowed me to hold my head high even when the perceptions and stereotypes of us held by our neighbors across the state have tried to convince me otherwise.
I'm proud to be from here. If anything Jackson has a moral legacy to uphold.
I'm sure I don't need to remind you all, but across the city are plaques honoring residents who served as stewards of the underground railroad.
people who knowingly broke federal laws at the time to help others escape in
slavemen. We rightfully celebrate them today because they understood that the law
is not the same thing as justice. History matters because today Jackson County is
choosing to align itself with federal immigration enforcement through a
287G agreement making us the first county in Michigan to do so. This is a
significant blood on our history and a moral embarrassment to the people who live
here. Let me make myself clear, this agreement does not serve Jackson County. It serves Washington.
The federal government does not live with the consequences of this policy. We do. When
local law enforcement is turned into an arm of federal immigration enforcement, there is
not an ounce of trust, left for officers of the law. People will stop reporting crimes and
It will become apparent that the officers of the law here do not serve public safety, but the
interests of a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats and fat cat elites staffing the White House all
the way over in Washington. And for what? The federal government has failed or more often than
not not even attempted to lend a hand or come close to fixing our problems in this county. It is
failed to address housing, addiction, and economic insecurity in this county for as long as I have
live. I have zero faith out sourcing in four seconds.
Three minutes. Thirty seconds. This agreement diverts local resources away from real problems here.
Problems that we deal with every day in order to carry out federal priorities that do not reflect our values or our beliefs.
I'm asking you as commissioners to reject federal pressure, protect local trust, and focus on the safety and dignity of the people who actually live in this county.
Jackson has been on the right side of history before.
Do not let this be the moment that we step off it.
Thank you.
Hi everyone.
My name is Amanda Miller.
I'm a professor at Wayne State University and a Jackson community member.
I live in Henrietta Township.
Two decades of re.
Thank you.
Two decades of research, which includes studies prior to the Trump administration's expansion of the program,
have shown that 287G programs encourage racial profiling, strips of liberties, waste-tax-pairs
money, and result in wrongful detentions. Considering safety and security research shows
how the results of these 287G task force agreements have no impact on crime. In fact, these
agreements result in city climates that instill fear and prevent immigrants from reporting
crimes and working with the police. Numerous studies show that this program, these programs
hurt public safety because community members, regardless of citizenship status, worry that
calling 911 could result in a family member or friend being deported.
287G agreements do not reduce crime even though enhancing public safety is a state of
goal of their expansion. Considering skills and knowledge many law enforcement leaders oppose
287G agreements because they drain local resources are a ways to police officer and prison
staff time and have resulted in costly lawsuits for constitutional rights violations, including
wrong, wrongly holding US citizens. Furthermore, these leaders know that police officers
and prison employees are not immigration experts. They do not have the training or resources
to enforce a federal deportation agenda. Notably, racial profiling is rife in jails and prisons
across the US and Jackson County is not an exception. The dangers of wrongly and or violently
holding black and brown human beings will only be multiplied with the warrant servicer officer
program agreement. Considering community and care, the board of county, the board of county
commissioners and the office of the sheriff have a duty to be accountable to the people of Jackson
County. We know that local law enforcement and jail and prison employees become entangled with
federal immigration enforcement, decreased public safety and community trust. As a community member,
I demand the board and the office of the sheriff reconsider and abolished their warrant service officer program 280C 280G 2807G agreement with ICE and never sign another 2807G agreement with ICE again.
I will not witness the violence of mass deportation squads anywhere in my community 30 seconds.
Thank you for your time.
Oh, I am, hello. I am from District 1 of my name, a Sasha Grundell, and without the intention of
centering myself within this conversation, but simply as a means of juxtaposition,
my name, among other definitions, means defender of man. And although I am currently not standing
within a literal active battlefield, I am still managing to live more up to my name than any ice
agent has ever done or will ever do. Statistically, ice does not make us safer and only divides
that there is on us and of them.
Renee Good was not the first nor if we allow it, we'll be the last murder at the hands of
a glorified terror machine.
I'm not sure why it took us to her name for all of us to be shocked when there are countless
more abused before her but sure.
Let's use her as an example of a person we only knew was a person because of ISIS frequent
and baked in abuse.
Not to center myself again, but I remember back in 10th grade learning about World War II.
We all learned how it began, specifically with promises that citizen check-ins and police training were
exclusively for deportation efforts. We were all taught the timeline of public safety efforts into
Minnesota and door-to-door checks into alligator-death role camps. And we were all promised as children
that we would never let this happen again. We were told that the reason we were being taught this in the first
place was so that we couldn't sure that it never happened again. But as I've been wearing witness to
far too long of a time period now, never again is just a mantra people utter to themselves
as we go to sleep every night to alleviate ourselves of all responsibility and assure ourselves
that we are good people without actually ever doing anything. So don't forget to set your alarms
tonight. I'm sure you've got more important things to worry about, right? I wonder what alarm
Renee had set next? Was it to go to work the next day? Perhaps it was an alarm to drop her child off
at school? Maybe it was to write that poem she's been meaning to write for months now.
When is your alarm set to ring? In case it wasn't clear, I am here to voice my opposition to
ISIS involvement in Jackson, and frankly, anywhere. I encourage Jackson to withdraw from 2-8-7-G
agreements with them. Our current federal administration has already made it abundantly clear
through calls of absolute immunity for a murder and broad daylight and not even feeling it necessary
to comment on other isotrassities taking place every single day that ice makes nobody safer and in
shape or form, do they want to be defenders of man? They want to reflect a department of war.
I implore you not to welcome ICE into Jackson through more means of any agreement.
People are scared and given the evidence justifiably so.
My name is Stephanie. I live down the street on Michigan Avenue.
And honestly, I wish I did not feel compelled to be here to talk about the issue of ICE
in here in our city. I married while I lived in Central America. I have children and other family
members who don't look like me and many of them don't talk like me. My son today is a soldier
at Fort Bliss. My daughter lives in DC and was employed by the House of Representatives on January 6th.
Currently, she's a policy specialist in lobbies on Capitol Hill from advocacy advocacy agency
for victims of domestic violence and they are dealing with TV victims today who are violated by
ice Minnesota that was today. I have other family members who are in the national garden. I
cannot tell you how complicated that is. My naturalized family members are afraid to seek medical care,
pick up a prescription and are in constant fear of their businesses being targeted. Ice will never
recruit the best when the lure is the power of a uniform or a mask, a gun, and a $50,000 bonus.
Good evening, my name is Rebecca Toby and I personally feel like the job of local law enforcement is to protect all the residents regardless of their status.
If immigrants of fear that calling 911 will lead to deportation, they're not going to report crimes and it makes all of us less safe.
ICE Tactics in particular are really scary, and they undermine local efforts for a
law enforcement to build community trust. What will the relationship between
local law enforcement and the community be when ICE leaves is 287G is not worth it?
Thank you.
Good evening commissioners. My name is Sally Ann Thompson, and I am a resident
of the city of Jackson. I will thank you. I'd say that I would like to agree with everyone
that has stepped before me to oppose ice being in the city of Jackson or any agreement
that we have current hoping that it can be dissolved. In our state of Michigan, we have 1.2
to 1.3 percent of our population that are undocumented immigrants. And that's a population of
10.14 million. So only about 90 to maybe 110,000 undocumented immigrants are even in our state.
In the city of Jackson, we have 617 foreign-born citizens living here. That includes citizens
that are documented, citizens that have been naturalized, and, yes, probably some undocumented
citizens.
Now, for the percentage of people in Jackson County that we have, that might be undocumented,
might be less than the people in this room.
And in my opinion, our current criminal system, if we have undocumented criminals in our
Our police force and our sheriff department concurrently handled them and would know about them to
deport them.
We do not need a very expensive tax paying battalion of ice agents disrupting our city
for less than the amount of people in this room.
I would hope that we could do better than that in our community and we could spend our
extra dollars a lot better than that, book federally and statewide. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Lee Brown. I'm a lifelong resident of Jackson County. I currently reside in Summit Township, precinct 3.
I'd like to thank the commissioners for giving us this opportunity to address you about this issue.
And I'd also like to thank everybody that's my name. Look at this. This is awesome.
You know, these people are the voice to the voice list.
Early last year, I became aware the Jackson County came the first county in Michigan
to sign a 287 agreement with ICE and at that time I didn't honestly pay much attention
to it.
I didn't like it but compared to everything else going on in our country, it didn't feel
like it was that big of a deal.
Until recently, when I along with millions of other people witnessed what is now going
on Minnesota, put it simply, it's sickening.
However, it ignited my need to do my civic duty and speak up.
It's my understanding that the sheriff department needs money.
The jails need repair and upgrading.
They've reduced the amount of officers and they need to prioritize response to calls.
The last three-millage requests for funding were defeated because basically people don't like tax increases.
I'd rather than cost around $90 per day to incarcerate a person in the Jackson County jail.
And that ICE only reimbursees only a fraction of all the cost associated with a 287G while their current annual budget is around 30 billion dollars, which also is paid by our taxes.
I believe given the fact that there seems to be no accountability on behalf of ICE, that the current agreement will harm the public trust here in Jackson County, and that we shouldn't have to absorb more cost.
So I ask that our county commissioners do the right thing and vote to reason resend to 87G.
Thank you very much.
Hi, I'm Heather Collaga.
I'm a resident of Jackson County in the fifth district.
I'm concerned about weakened trust between our community and our local law enforcement
with the agreement that our city has made to assist ICE.
When our local police force starts aligning themselves with unidentified masked agents
in tactical gear who surge into communities, raising levels of hostility wherever they go,
whether that alignment is active or passive, it will result in a lack of trust, police,
and a pretty serve. We want our police to be embraced and accepted within our community.
We want our people to have a level of trust with police, so that people report crimes and emergencies
will not be afraid to come forward. It doesn't matter if we will just stick to what is happening.
It doesn't matter if a disagreement with ICE is limited. It doesn't matter if a police
aren't going to be asked to knock on doors themselves or ask for identification themselves
on somewhere. It is the alignment and cooperation of our local police with ICE and how our immigrant
communities and their neighbors and friends feel about that. Watching the events unfold in Minneapolis
and seeing their police chief stand up and denounce those actions of violence, much so empowering
and uplifting for the people of that city, because eventually ICE is going to be gone.
And what are the people of those communities going to remember when ICE is nothing more than a
bad dream in our nation's past? What they are going to remember is that their police were on the
side of peace and trust and safety in their communities. They are going to remember that the local
please weren't the bad guys.
That's what we want to have happen in Jackson.
We want our citizens to see our community leaders
are also watching the national stage.
We want your response to be that you lead our city
away from the turmoil that the presence of ice brings
to a city.
And when that happens, we can share you.
We are here today because we see the trust
in law enforcement of all kinds of crumbling.
And we don't want that to happen in the city of Jackson.
When our leaders remove us from this agreement with ICE, the citizens of Jackson are going
to look back at this time in our history and be proud of our police force connected
to our police force and supportive of the vital work promoting peace and safety in our communities.
Please vote to end the 27G immigration enforcement program agreement with ICE, the public, your public
It's not one it to continue, thank you.
Excuse me for all who's going to speak.
Try to stay about an inch or two away from the mic because you want to be picked up nicely.
And because it's all recorded for YouTube, you'll be able to see it later and hear it.
But if you're too close, it starts to do all that.
Am I good?
You're good.
Good evening.
My name is Sandra Place.
Some of you may remember me.
I'm a member of your constituency and a tax paying member of our community residing in some
township.
I'm also someone who is committed their work life to uplifting the uplifting of those
who are aged, abused, marginalized, and mistreated.
The 287G contract renewal with ICE concerns me greatly.
great way. According to M. Live, the Hispanic Heritage Festival in Jackson was cancelled out of fear
because ICE consistently uses racial profiling which they felt threatened the safety of our citizens
and those becoming naturalized citizens. How many more festivals will be cancelled from fear.
Your constituency knows ICE's violated civil state constitutional law and human rights repeatedly
And those there is no framework for ICE's accountability.
They have been allowed free reign and brutality committed by them is ignored.
Congressional representatives were denied access to the Renee Good Murder Investigation.
Individuals have been shot, injured, killed, brutalized.
ICE does not follow federal rules or the requirements of the immigration and nationality act,
which both the immigrating and ICE have to follow.
My question is, why would we want to tarnish the good work of our Jackson County officers
by doing ICE's work for them and opening up to the liability that ICE does not carry?
We were the first in the state to sign a 287G contract to help with ICE's work.
At that time, it probably seemed like the right thing to do.
Now, there is enough evidence to reconsider who we want to do business with.
These are the things that I would like you to consider.
County budget, who's paying for what?
We don't have the money to fix our jail and jacksonians are already saying that holding people in our jail is inhumane.
So why do this?
Who will do this work?
Isn't it true that the current workforce is short-staffed?
Is it well-known?
It is well known that the ICE recruits already in law enforcement by offering huge wage
increases to them.
Tax dollars?
I do not hesitate to say that I want none of my tax dollars.
30 seconds, ma'am.
What's our liability?
All of it.
Ethics and morality?
Where is it?
I cannot in any way see ethics, morality, and law abiding following in this.
Aligning with ICE is aligning with Mayhem. I know as a citizen of this county, I cannot see any good come from this, and I can see much harm coming for our citizens if the alignment continues. I thank you for your time and consideration.
My name is Cassie Jacobassi and my family and I recently moved back into the area and we were happy to do so. I appreciate your time and that most of you are actively listening and paying attention to our comments.
I'm increasingly worried for the safety of our community.
I'm urging the Office of the Sheriff and County Commissioners to withdraw from the 287G program and to not participate in any deals or partnerships with the immigration and customs enforcement.
Participation in any such partnership is a direct threat to our community.
ICE agents are no longer respecting the Constitution and have continually shown that they believe
to be above the law when they kidnap people from the streets and now from their homes.
In addition to traumatizing community members including innocent children, cooperating,
poses an unnecessary burden on an already short staffed and underfunded local law enforcement,
Participation in 287 in the 287G program and cooperation with ICE, further puts our entire community at risk when people become terrified to call for help when an emergency of any kind arises.
Your duty is to protect and serve. I urge you to remember it is to this community and all of its members that you have that duty. Please help keep us all safe and withdraw from 287G. Thank you.
Good evening. My name is Ethan Winri. I've been a resident of Jackson for a long time. I live in Black
Wind Township. I'm a union organizer and my wife is an immigrant just recently moved to America.
And, you know, ultimately, I just every time that we leave the house, I have to remind my wife to make sure she has all of her documents.
to make sure that if for some reason the share of
office or ICE were to show up, we would be all good.
And even then, I have fear, right, because that doesn't being
documented, doesn't defend you at this point.
And it just concerns me that Jackson County, a place where I've
lived for a long time, a place where I pay my taxes to a place
that I enjoy living, a place that I wanted to bring my wife to,
because I felt that it was safe because I felt that it was a good place in a welcoming place
is a partner in one of the most sadistic programs to blight the country in a long, long time.
You know, ultimately a lot of the worst crimes against humanity were legal at the time that they were
committed and I think that while this may not rise to that level yet, if we continue to be
implicit then we're just allowing that to progress and get worse. So I just like to read
a poem just to end my comments please. First they came for the communists and I did not speak
out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialist and I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist. And then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak
out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
And I'm just asking that we stop before they come for my wife,
before they come for so many of the innocent people in Jackson,
who's only crime is that they forgot to fill out a form,
and ultimately, that we rescind our participation
in 27-G agreement.
I
am Jeannie from Summit Township, Jeannie Brown.
People who oppose I need to look a bit closer as to why we want these illegals to go back to their own countries.
They dream our resources, and the sheriff has, the ones that the sheriff has in jail are the ones that have broken the law in this country,
and the sheriff isn't going door to door arresting illegals.
They are arresting the ones that broke the law.
Left is so understand what they are protesting most of the time.
They just have an narrative.
Let's just take school shootings.
School shootings should never happen in their minds
because it's a gun free zone.
It's a gun free zone.
So if we take the guns away from registered owners
who are left criminals. They don't register their guns. What happens in these countries that
had banned guns? Crime went up 40%. It's a proven fact when citizens have guns, crime is lower.
When you see the setup, you can't unsee it. Trump is telling you he is not messing around with
us. We are at war and you better wake up to the fact. Fifth generational warfare. They have the
media spreading the narrative. They're feeding us plastic in our food along with other things you
don't even want to know. They are poisoning our skies with camp trails, killing us slowly. They
They are building data centers to use our clean water.
The governor even gave Nestle, now known as blue trident brands, writes to take 40 gallons
a minute from our groundwater and Michigan for pennies on the dollar.
They are putting solar farms up in our farmland and contaminating the soil for 100 years,
because they want to cause a food shortage.
For us useless eaters, the energy generated from those farms are going to companies out of state.
In turn, they sell it back to consumer energy without any financial break to the people in Michigan.
What are you saying?
30 seconds, ma'am.
What I'm saying is if you've saved the child drowning in an ocean, the left would be screaming, you are starving the sharks. Make it make sense, and make America great again. Thank you.
Commissioner bear,
Commissioner
bear,
they're moving, they're
moving.
I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to clear the room if this continues now be
respectful of both sides whether you agree or disagree with the people
I'm going to arrest
this woman Sheriff I would like you to I would like you to consider clearing the room with the
people who are being allowed we don't need this I have a we have to be respectful of all
speakers. At this time, if you'd like to sit down, sir, please. Okay, then I'm gonna ask you to
leave.
No, I'm gonna ask,
would you like to know the hip-chair of beauty?
I have the
I'm going to ask the sheriff to clear the room is what I'm going to do, yes sir,
I'm
under sheriff Anthony Stewart, I'm listening to everybody's views and that's what this
is all about, but everyone should be respectful,
I'm never going to be disrespectful and
What I'm asking is,
see, see, see, see,
interrupt us somebody when they're talking is disrespectful.
And what I'm saying is, let's get through this.
You want to talk, you want to have a voice of speech.
But the red man, that's what you got to do.
So please be respectful.
Let everybody come up and speak.
Listen to them.
Thank you.
Oh, you cannot ask a question, this is public comment.
We will listen to public comment for three minutes,
and then another person will speak.
And they will share their opinion.
Everyone is allowed their opinion during public comment.
If you cannot do that, I will ask you to leave the room.
If you cannot leave the room, I will ask the sheriff to escort you out.
Are we all clear?
Thank you.
Thank you. My name is Jennifer Gallagher and I live in Summit Township. I'm here to speak
against the two 870 agreement that currently exists between ICE and the Jackson County
Sheriff's Office. I ask that agreement be rescinded and no further cooperation with ICE
continue. I'm born and raised in Jackson County and I'm proud to call this community my home.
choose to live here. When I think of Jackson, I think I'm in good company to say I think of
grit and character and strength and resilience were a blue-collar community. It's evidenced
in all the people who are here tonight to speak about their opinions. And by overwhelming majority,
We do not want ICE interfering in our lives, in our neighborhoods, or in our town.
ICE doesn't contribute to supporting grit or resilience or character or strength.
It's an organization that has found patiently based in fear.
Made up of people who are so scared, they feel the need to hide behind masks and military gear in American communities.
dehumanizing language like illegals or aliens or leftists is used to silence their conscience.
So they can be cruel without bearing the very real and very heavy weight of the harm and trauma they are inflicting on our fellow human beings.
Rather than build resilience or contribute to society in some meaningful way, I salines itself with other institutions of power, expanding its reach and trying to dominate and control people who don't have access to that kind of power.
Their agents use chemical weapons, tear gas, guns, brutality, and excessive force, turning
themselves into war machines instead of facing the truth of their own humanity.
Winning means making other people more afraid than they are.
No amount of tactical gear will ever make ice agents brave.
No amount of domination will ever make them strong.
And no amount of creating terror will make them less afraid.
That's the kind of fear that never ends.
Thirty seconds, ma'am.
Partnering with ice is a declaration of fear in Jackson,
an alignment with cruelty and terror.
Ice does not embody the values of this community
and they are not welcome here.
Thank you.
Wow.
Can you hear me okay. Good evening. Melissa Hiller, Summit Township. I'm absolutely blown away
by tonight. I'm here just to show support for our local law enforcement.
I'm trying to
wrap my head around how and why so many people are here at least, maybe not in the entire
community, but in this room, I have things, I've just kind of twisted things, where now
we are supporting those who break the law as opposed to those who enforce the law.
So, and I knew I'd get murmurs.
And so now we can't even call them illegal, suddenly everything's undocumented because
we have to be so fragile as to not hurt their feelings, I guess.
Even though they broke the law to get here hence illegal, so at the sound at the risk of sounding like a racist
Anyone living here on my text dollars who do not go through the proper legal channels?
I will continue to see them as illegals and an insult to those who did it right
If you see it differently by all means I encourage you to open your home to them take on their living expenses and be held personally liable for their actions
that I think sir again we're going to let people speak because what we're going to do
we're not going to raise them and I'd like my time back thank you so I would
encourage you to do that to me that seems a little bit more reasonable than the
situation we have right now and I don't personally know any ice agents and I
don't know any illegal immigrants but I do know my family and my friends and I
appreciate anyone willing to risk their own life to protect hours.
They are not the ones who need to be condemned.
And of course, I'm not suggesting that all ICE agents are good and all illegals are bad,
but it does seem the hundreds of thousands of criminal immigrants are conveniently overlooked
in order to highlight injustice and fuel outrage.
Our sheriff, deputies, police officers, police officers, they don't write the laws.
If there are laws, people disapprove of, perhaps, lancing is where this should all be taking
place or talk to your legislators.
I support our sheriff and his decisions that are made.
And I can tell you, I appreciate the man and women who make the choice every day to serve
what seems like an ungrateful community.
Most would never do that.
So it seems that these well-meaning liberals want to take our guns away from us, so we can't protect ourselves.
And now they want to take our laws away, our police force away, or at least limit them.
So they can't protect us.
That doesn't sound like a successful safety model to me.
So needless to say, I swear they lost.
That helped me lose some of that time, but anyway, I will not support all listeners like some.
Thank you.
Good evening.
My name is Matt Tucker.
I'm a public high school educator here in Jackson County.
I live in Henry at a township.
I'm concerned about the 287 G.A. agreement here for countless reasons.
But I'm primarily concerned about the impacts this agreement has shown to have on-school children.
Studies from Brown University, University of Virginia, and Stanford to name a few have shown
direct correlation between student achievement, regardless of citizenship or documentation
status, in communities with 287G agreements. Absentism, extreme anxiety, behavior incidents,
and lower grades are all noticeably higher in these communities compared with other communities
of similar size and demographics.
So many children in our community have already been exposed to unfathomable trauma, and
already lag behind other Michigan communities in student achievement.
I urge you to please consider the direct and indirect impacts, negative impacts.
The 27-G agreement has on our school children's academic and social emotional well-being
and please resend and abolish the 27-agreement that you signed and never signed additional agreements with ICE again.
Keep our children and probably your children too.
Safe.
Good evening.
My name is John Robby.
I'm a lifelong resident in Jackson County.
I'm 68 years old. I spent over half of my life working in the Michigan Department of Corrections serving all of you.
The other residents of Michigan. And I mean all of you.
I've the shift commander, fire officer's doctor, weapon strainer, chemical agent instructor, and a four-word for weapon armor.
I know Sheriff Shootie personally, I've had many conversations with him, I find him to be
honorable in a buff board.
I know under Sheriff Tony Stewart, even better, he and I have become good friends.
We worked together for years at the prison, and I'm proud of him for all of his successes
in his achievements, congratulation to Tony.
I support the 287G proposal, I urge the county to enact it and stay with it, and follow
your oath of office, not your feelings.
I understand it's an emotional subject, and it's my understanding the sheriff's duties
intent.
There's if someone is in his jail, already being held for another crime, and I've had the
or weren't. He will hold them. I thought I read for 48 hours. That is not unusual. We did
that at the prison many years ago when somebody was discharged from the Michigan
Senate. We turned them over to the federal government. I don't see any problem
with that. They're protecting you and I and the rest of the community. Thank you
for your time. God bless you all.
Hi, my name is Shirley Schumer and I'm from District 6.
I'd treat you to say express concern about the 287G agreement with the passing of time,
more reason for concern is developed.
My understanding is that key responsibilities of your board include public safety and justice.
That includes the county jail courts, sheriff's office, etc.
Due to these responsibilities, I'm asking you to terminate the 287G agreement.
My reasons of concern should also be reasons of concern for you as officials and representatives of our county.
My research indicates that Jackson County signed a WSO under the program officers get less training and are only authorized to execute.
Thank you, Vice Administrative Lawrence. Ice believes the sheriff's department can hope people for 48 hours, and they're technically an ice custody, but under WSO.
There's three factors that cause concern. First, there's a question of legality. The 287G statute gives leeway, but there also may be a legal basis to challenge a program. Ice has issued illegal detainers and morons against U.S. citizens.
Any locality that helps execute these can face legal challenges, and in addition, there are concerns about due process and potential abuses.
Second, there are costs involved.
We were told previously that the costs aren't significant.
But any costs that's incurred by Jackson County would include officer salaries over times benefits,
travel, lodging, and pridium for those who are attending ice training.
Every dollar and hour and 287G means less for local crime.
Previously, the community has asked for funds to cover operations and facility upgrades via multiple tax militias that have all been rejected.
These shortfalls have led to significant cuts in the Sheriff's Office budget,
and yet you're allowing the agreement to use resources that could be used for basic operations.
I don't know about you, but if my money is running short, I buy groceries.
I don't go out to eat.
As a Jackson County resident, I question any use of resources that isn't for the basic
operations of the sheriff's department.
If this is not the case, don't hold your hand out, ask for funds, you're not willing to
use.
If you don't use them every dollar for operations, third, the agreement being in place
sliding fear in our residents. It's disrupting education, healthcare and work. It's causing an erosion
of the community trusts in our law enforcement, and all of these things make our county more
vulnerable to future legal challenges. That should frighten all of you. 30 seconds may I implore you
to end the 287G agreement.
Hi, my name is Lindsay Marshall. I live in Waterloo Township,
of Jackson County bout and grasslake, so I am someone who owns a gun. I have my CPL, did my
finger printing down here, and I remember I've never felt uncomfortable or unsafe carrying my
gun in my car until about September. That is when I saw Marima Martinez get shot by a nice agent
who then bragged about it, saying five bullets, seven holes, and then also said do something bitch
before shooting her. So I just want to know how my supposed to feel safe. I have this
gun legally, but I know. Sorry. I know if something happens and I get shot, it would
be used to justify my murder. So that is one of the reasons I'm asking you to stop
this agreement. Sorry, I can't talk without getting emotional, but that's it.
Hello, I'm a member of Jackson County and a member of the Hispanic community. I'm requesting
the board to follow the example your name should Luke Salomoni. I'm requesting the board to follow
the example of the city of center line and rescind the 287 G agreement with ICE. While under
normal circumstances this agreement might make sense we are not operating under normal circumstances
with the current federal administration. I sympathize with the board and the sheriff who see this
agreement as the proper channels for coordination with federal authorities, but that coordination
should not come at the expense of local trust, fiscal responsibility, or public safety.
When the main point I want to make is this, when a county enters into a formal ice partnership,
it places itself on a short list of jurisdictions ice can rely on operationally.
That signals that local infrastructure, jail space and law enforcement cooperation are already in place.
Making the county a logical deployment point if ICE expands enforcement activities, including targeted door-to-door operations.
I do not want to see that in our community and I hope that you do not either.
Thank you.
Hello everyone, my name is Olivia Oheza.
As you can tell on my Hispanic Mexican American woman,
probably fifth or sixth generations here.
And I normally wouldn't be up here speaking, but I've got to use my rights.
I've got to talk about this.
Because not too long ago,
I have a granddaughter by the way that is joining the Navy.
My family for generations has been in the Air Force.
Army,
Marines, and so, you know, we've all participated, it's not like we're free loaders,
like everybody claims that we are. I've worked on my life. I retired from Maroquip, and I wouldn't
got my masters. I'm 80 years old. I'm glad, you know what? I'm glad my father's not here to see
this. That would be a shame because he was a proud, proud American. And it is a shame what
I see. And it pisses me off. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm really involved. I'm a I'm a protester. And
I'm going out of my way to do it. You know, I don't care if I if something happens to me,
I want my grandchildren to know that I was standing for something. And if you don't see it,
That stands for something that stands for anybody like some people that I know.
I'm Kim Lovhill, I live in Summit Township.
Hello Mr. Williams, Pastor Williams.
Mr. Willis, thank you for your service to the rest of the guardians of pedophiles and fascists.
I am here to speak about, against 285G, the ISIS acting as a fascist machine.
It is banging down doors, it is tearing people from their homes, they do not have federal
warrants, they don't even ask, they're just stripping people from their cars, they're
breaking windows, they're murdering people, the atrocities that we know of are absolutely
unacceptable.
The atrocities that we're going to find out about are going to be horrendous.
What they are doing to humanity, but they're doing in Minnesota, you know why they're
Minnesota because Trump doesn't like Democrats. Well, your prince of pedophiles there, the man
who did those little girls, he is not somebody that Christians should be supporting. He's
to grab by the pussy president. Anybody who supports a pedophile, a rapist, a fascist, is not
a good human.
Those is women in America. He's dealing with twelve-year-olds and y'all support
them and shame. Shame on you for supporting the principles of the files. Shame on you for things
that anybody who can stick a dick in a twelve-year-old is a good human is to be leading our country.
Shame on you for supporting a right best.
Shame.
Alright, well that's a little tough to follow.
My name is Aaron Seamons. I'm actually from the neighboring county of Washington County. I have made Michigan my home for the last 25 years. I am a daughter of a law enforcement agent. My father was a deputy sheriff for all of his career. My brother is an attorney. I am also registered Democrat. Also a practitioner of my second amendment, right.
practice with my first amendment right and a supporter of the fourth and fifth amendment, which
ICE and our DHS are chronically ignoring in our communities. And as your neighbor and a small business owner,
I have customers that come from this area and I love to come my 30 minute drive out here to enjoy
your restaurants, your night life, Jackson is a beautiful area. And we are one corridor.
We are a beautiful corridor built by immigrants. There's hardly anybody in this room right now
that did not immigrate to this country at some point. Many of us undocumented because there was no
such thing, with many of our families arrived here.
And now, unfortunately, me from neighboring
Washington County, I'm so sad to see my neighboring
county supporting through this arrangement, this horrible,
horrible administration, and being complicit at this dark,
dark time in our nation's history.
And I am asking you to withdraw from this agreement now, to do the right thing, to bring back the wonderful inclusive nature, align with your neighbors in Washington County, and stop supporting the DHS and ICE in this current administration.
this is not what any of you want, your legacy to be. I promise you that. There's nothing to love about ice.
And those of you in this room who think we are just lawless liberals, I want to remind you that immigrants are half as likely to connect crimes as citizens are.
30 seconds, ma'am. And you're actually making this problem of crime worse because now immigrants
feel less stressful of the police because if they call for a crime, they know their neighbor,
their partners might be deported, and criminals do not respect county lines. So those of you who are
here speaking in favor of this agreement because you are tough on crime, you are making Washington
county less safe, because criminal, and you're out of time, and you're out of time.
I noticed, my name is Elisabeth Walsh, please don't interrupt me, there's a big clock in front of
me and I will watch it carefully. It's clear here to obligate those, at all times you have to
that many people understand in this room and those who will see the video later.
miscompagnaros y compañiras y trabajo y toda gente que se siente ahora un miedo tremendo
justificado.
La optimización que se llama ais que comprende varias organizaciones compricitas es una
patrilla secreta de la muerte. Lo tiene a mis pelatinas y entiendo cómo escuadone
de la muerte. Escuna organización y reinto para militar en servicio del fascismo. La historia
of the European fascism, the military dictatorship, the Latin America, or the I love in Israel,
they are examples that we can understand well with the same practices that they are
used here, I am a Spanish, but I do not have to study much to understand that the United States
is a country in Ossida, from its origins. But there is also a tradition, very
large, of solidarity, a humanitarian. And not to have more to defend, yes, yes, as much as
it is necessary, to the most vulnerable, which is the communities and migrants, the
and the citizens, the non-ranking, and all the people affected by the violence of the state.
In my remaining 25 seconds, I will let you know that I came here to talk to you about what I have to say to you about what I have to say to you.
from the emergency room, a company and localman spent 30 days in pain at home in fear of going
to the hospital.
I discovered that she had a very intense pain.
I found out that is, I think, just to let it off.
She was sleeping for 30 days from the pain and luckily received emergency surgery.
However, in this building, there was no water available in public space here and it is nothing
in the kitchen.
and go to the time point to test me to respect you in your out-of-time.
Hello. My name is Josh Brockman and I'm from Johnson County. I don't feel safe for myself or for my peers when I think of ICE. I think of violence and the many cases I've been posted across the United States that show violence from ICE. It scares me and many of my peers. It scares me and many of my peers because of all this violence.
I start not held accountable for their actions, and with that they have guns that could kill people within seconds.
I have yet to see any ice agent be held accountable for the cruelty that they have committed.
It is unfair and injustice. This is not the America I was told about growing up.
I was told about America that was safe. That was a safe place for people.
It has been proven to be many times. This is untreated day due to ISIS violence against Americans of all colors.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, my name is Julia Brockman. I moved here from Texas in 2023 and I have grown to love and
share the community that I have found here. We did not have the community that we have in Jackson
where I come from and so I am very grateful for all the people that make up this community.
I live in District 8 and I'm here today to add my voice to the community, including with you,
to withdraw from this agreement.
We as a county, just in the short time that I've been here,
already face budget limitations related to the repairs for our jails, providing adequate care
and warming shelters for our homeless population and funding for our schools to retain qualified
teachers. I would prefer these funds be directed towards supporting our growing community
and proving our schools and enhancing the beautiful parks that we have here. For me and my
kids and their friends to enjoy. I cannot emphasize how much I love the parks and the way the city
taken care of. And I would like more of that. I would prefer it not go to ICE agents. I want
it to grow to people who live here and add to our communities. Additionally, as a home owner
and taxpayer in this community, I'm firmly against allocating my tax dollars to fund the
criminals who call themselves ICE. Finally, I have very fearful concerns about ICE's accountability
and implications of their own constitutional actions. There seems to be no accountability or
And that causes distress in this community to the people who are supposed to uphold the law.
As a resident, I do not believe that having ice operating within our city would enhance public safety.
And I'm concerned it will lead to increased fear and chaos.
I've already heard from my kids and their kids and their friends that they are scared that ice will come to our community.
My kid woke me up last night because they thought they heard banging on the door and they were scared to go back to sleep
because of what they have seen in the media and what they have seen on the news reports.
These kids deserve a safe community and trust that their police officers guarding this community
will not side with unlawful criminals who are masked, unknown to our city and dangerously reckless.
I respectfully ask that you carefully consider our community's concerns and withdraw from this agreement.
Thank you for your time.
Hi, my name is Diane Valencia. I am a Jackson County citizen
and I was born in Michigan, but raised throughout Jackson, Detroit, Taylor, and I've seen more
immigrants over there than I have over here, and yet there's still the nice people I know.
My family is also immigrants. We are from Iran and from Yemen, but I'm also English too,
So, I was raised by white people here in America, I'm native, my tribe, my land was taken, I'm also from Arizona.
My family was in their land in 1970, not even that long ago, yet we're targeting immigrants
when I've had more fear here in Jackson, for me guys is citizens, I've been, I've been raped,
I've been threatened, all by Americans, never by an immigrant. I have recently gained trust
in the Jackson Community Department with technical Phillips and even our school cop officer
It's also worth that Jackson High School because they actually care about our community and we shouldn't be funding.
They have ice agents there when we actually have criminals that need to be taking care of.
Like, there's people running out on these streets with guns every day.
Ice is not going to change anything.
We need to actually work on Jackson County.
I used to go to Lexley, I was harassed as a kid for my race, even though I was raised by white people.
There was a kid who made a list of all the mixed and all the color kids seen that
you were caught a break.
My tax dollars, I work at the Jackson Popgorn Depot, I work here in the mall.
I paid $50 and I'm only $17 and I don't even vote yet, but I'm still here because I care.
And I seriously need the actual criminals to be taken care of because they're still out there so
Can we just not focus on reversing helpless people like natives are being targeted black people are being targeted
And not white people are being targeted because it doesn't even matter if you're Hispanic anymore
Everyone is targeted
Thank you,
I, um, it's hard to tell for me to go after that because that's pretty emotional.
Um, I've lived in, I am, my name is Sarah McAdom.
I've lived in Jackson most of my life. Um, I lived in a Washingtony city area, um, for about eight years.
And I, um, met a, um, illegal immigrant. Um, and I still remember, and it was about 2012.
And I still remember him saying, we do the dirty work of the hate us.
He got deported about a year ago.
Sorry.
Okay, can you hear me better now?
My name is Sarah McAdom.
I live in Jacksonville, so my life.
I live in Washingtonville.
I still remember him saying we do the jury to work and they hate us.
He got deported about a year ago.
And this country was built on immigrants.
The person that I met back in 2012, the only, and hearing the two conservatives that
I spoke, the only thing that the person I met did was let his visa expire.
He did not do anything criminal, and that's when, you know, I felt passionate about this
issue.
And, you know, no, this country is bullet immigrants.
No one in this country, you know, regardless of whether they have papers or not, should
live and live in fear, like the girl I just spoke, or the person who has since been
deported, you know, I use a substitute teacher and some of the kids I used to work with
where I'm against, and so I'm here to speak against, to resent 2807G, so every one in Jackson
County can not live in fear. Thank you for your time.
Good evening everybody. My name is Lisa Lazaroff.
I'm a lifetime resident of Jackson.
I currently reside in Summit Township.
My grandparents came here from Macedonia.
My father fought in World War II.
As a lifelong resident, our community
has seen this up ups and downs.
I think we're currently seeing one of our low points in Jackson,
and I'm sad to say that.
I would like to voice my disagreement
in my disappointment in Sheriff Shootie's decision
to enter into a 287G agreement with ICE.
According to the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center,
and according to Common Sense,
when local law enforcement officers are doing the work
of federal immigration enforcement community members
lose trust with their local sheriff employees.
And therefore, they, we,
are less likely to report crimes.
Additionally, this program has been shown
result in racial profiling, cost communities, and taxpayers money, target individuals with little
or no criminal history, and harm the community's relationship with the police.
Furthermore, considering the current tense climate in Minneapolis and other communities in our nation,
is this what we really want to invite into Jackson? I don't think so, and there's a lot of people
me that agree with me. I truly believe our community can be better served by our
law enforcement, focusing on neighborhood relationships, decreasing gun violence,
and getting drugs off of our streets. As a community, we need to trust law
enforcement to have our best interests in mind. As a member of this community, I
respectfully request you to rescind the contract with ICE. Thank you for your time
in my name is Toby Baker. I live in the city. I first want to say please
rescind the 27G agreement. Look at what it's doing everywhere across the
country, but especially in Minnesota right now where a girl was taken by
ice and raped in an ice detention facility by an ice officer. This is one incident.
I'm sure that there are tons of other incidents like this, but you have kids
getting taken out of the schools. You have ice agents waiting outside of courts where immigrants
are not only getting the proper way, which is hard enough as it is, but fighting against
warrants that aren't proper warrants. You got administrative warrants, not judicial warrants.
And I just lost my train of thought. Ice agents taking pulling cars over that they're not allowed
do, they are not law enforcement, they are there to enforce warrants, but they're pulling cars over
asking for papers. They have reports of local police asking for papers. Not yet here in Jackson
County has been reported, but I'm sure it's happened. I did not want that here.
It's like I think
you're right now, but please resume the 2070 agreement. It is seriously damaging the relationship
with you in the relationship with the sheriff's office, us and other things. Yeah, you guys are,
we're, we're, you guys are responsible to us. Things that we require things that we ask for,
we only vote you in if you do those things. There are clearly more than a hundred people here. Imagine
if all of these people went door knocking against you. I know as politicians, you don't really
like to listen to feelings, but instead your seats,
you're more worried about your next election than anything else.
So think about your next election when you see
all of these organizers here and what that'll look like.
Next time your seat is up.
Thank you.
Hello, board members and fellow residents in attendance tonight.
Our community members.
Your name, ma'am, please.
Oh and Natalie Schroeder District 8,
our community members are scared. I've seen it personally,
I know a lot of teachers,
schools usually worry about lockdowns for potential criminal shooters,
but now they have to be prepared to lock down for our own government to protect their kids
in attendance, and even sometimes their teachers.
Because our immigration system is broken.
You want to simplify it and say, oh, they're illegal immigrants.
They're all criminals.
If you believe that, you're just unaware that we have asylum seekers.
We have refugees. We have people who have spent thousands of dollars and 30 years to try and get their citizenship.
And they can't do it. There's delays.
We have no idea because we're privileged to have been born here.
But the immigrants come here. They are amazing for our country. They play taxes. They don't get any healthcare.
They pay into our Medicare by paying their taxes.
They pay into our security, which they can ever collect on.
They can also never collect on any kind of help.
Here, unless there's an emergency situation in the go to the hospital, I am, this is just facts.
Okay, I'm going to email all of you a video of October 18th. We did a march to share of cities parking lot to leave messages of love, not so much. I'm kidding.
It's a nice march though, I was going to play it for you tonight, but I thought it'd be better if you could each watch it and really think about the individuals who took their time to march down there frustrated with the 287G agreement.
It's about a two minute video. I tried to have it shown on the screens tonight, but I guess that's not allowed.
I could have brought a laptop up here and held it up, but maybe you're willing to watch it.
It's just walking down the street, don't be afraid, and guess what they're chanting.
Love, not hate, makes America great.
Man, you're on the time.
Not eight.
Make the mayor open.
I think please.
Lep.
Not eight.
Makes the mayor public.
Even in commissioners, and thank you for the opportunity to speak in for the commissioners that are actively listening to looking at your devices.
Thank you, even more.
Look, the room is rightfully so, but I'm here to debate immigration policy.
But to discuss local response and bills that I need your name.
I said, Bans Johnson.
We're welcome.
I'm not here to debate immigration policy, but to discuss local responsibility, constitutional
risk, and fiscal responsibilities issues clearly outlined of course in the agreement.
It raises three serious concerns that should matter to every taxpayer and every public
servant here this evening.
First, it shifts the financial burden and legal risk to Jackson County.
The agreement, if you all read it correctly, requires the county not the federal government
to pay for salaries, overtime training, equipment, transportation, potential liability,
and ICE may terminate that participation at any time for any reason leaving our county
with a cost and staffing disturbance.
Second, it exposes the county to constitutional liability.
The agreement authorizes local officers to carry out civil immigration enforcement and to
hold individuals from to forty-eight hours beyond their criminal release.
Court to cross the county of Foundry's practices to carry serious Fourth Amendment
risks.
This agreement explicitly states it creates no enforceable rights for detainees leaving
the county to absorb the legal consequences.
Third, it limits local oversight and transparency.
Immigration enforcement, under this agreement, is directed by ICE, recruits, records I should
say are controlled by ICE, and public disclosure must be coordinated through ICE.
That removes meaningful local accountability for actions taking place inside our own
jail.
This is not about being for against immigration enforcement, it is about whether Jackson
Crown issue is from financial risk, legal exposure, and lots of control for a federal
government program that does not clearly improve any local public safety.
I'm going to back to the loan.
This agreement is a bad deal for taxpayers, law enforcement, and constitutional governments.
Look, if you're going to check your stability and morality at the door, don't check your
common sense.
You all deserve to be a better, a kernel standard, you should be ashamed of yourself to pay the time.
Hello.
Can you guys hear me, okay?
Is this better?
Okay.
My name is Alyssa Jewel.
I am terrified to be up here.
I'm literally trembling and sweating.
But someone that I look up to told me it's okay to be scared as long as you do it anyways.
I'm currently living in Hillsdale County.
And I'm here to have my voice heard after what has happened over the last few weeks.
We need to be using our money to better drain the police to catch real criminals like the ones currently in ICE and in our administration.
What I'm about to say next is really important, so if you guys could all actually listen, that'd be great.
I don't know any immigrants personally that have committed crimes.
But I do know every single white ICE supporting Christian male in my personal family has committed at least one violent felony weather convicted or not.
my whole body is trembling. It's a mess that violence runs in families. I think
Jonathan Ross actually had some of those charges by the way. At least three of
those family members are actively speaking about joining ICE in our cities.
Are those seriously the men you guys want to have roaming your streets with guns?
Thinking they have full immunity? I'm not asking you. I'm warning you. Just with
My name is Clevenger from Spring Harbor Township.
I've lived in Jackson County all but three years in my life.
I've started three businesses here.
I've had two children go through the schools here.
Overall, the way the county and city has been run by our appointed and elected people has been very good.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be here after 73 years.
But things have changed. Back in 2020, I was working for an international company and several
other staff came here to Jackson to meet with our Tri-State customers. The company
liked what they saw here and mentioned to me that they were looking for a Midwest distribution
center and possible manufacturing plant. I got excited. I got juice and I came down to the
county commission meeting to perhaps talk with commissioners about this. To my total surprise,
That night, February of 2020, this room was filled with second amendment proponents and militia
members.
The county board, many of you are still here, passed a gun sanctuary resolution.
This made news across the country.
And the company I was wooing made it clear to me because they did their due diligence.
They didn't want to come here.
I felt the county board had made a very foolish decision on that night.
And on January 6th of 2021, I knew damn well they did.
I was quite sure of it, and we still have some of those board members here.
In early 2025, our county sheriff, and I believe he has the approval of the board,
announced the first agreement in the state to assist ICE.
I can't see any benefit to it.
Unless your mind wants to go somewhere really dark.
Jackson County elected officials need to get off the might makes right train and show
some real American courage and we send both the gun sanctuary resolution and the
ice cooperation agreement.
We used to have a slogan out there that said, Jackson, we like it here.
I'm worried you guys might want to change it to we like it here, but we might beat you
senseless and shoot you in the face. Please. Please. Please. Resend. That resolution and also the ice.
Sarah Sassado. I'm a resident of the City of Jackson. Thank you commissioners for your attention and patience this evening.
There has been a lot of passion. However, I'd like to bring the focus back to the memorandum of agreement
287G. Specifically, in my professional capacity, I've had ample opportunity to visit our jail.
And I really appreciate what the sheriff and all of the staff do over there with their scarce resources.
I appreciate also the cooperation between and among counties and the collaboration to hand criminals off to other agencies
once they've been released from the county's criminal custody. I really appreciate that.
Kids criminals off the street makes my job a lot easier too.
I see why initially,
entering into the warrant services officer program appeared to be the productive choice.
However, in light of recent events, I asked that the county of Jackson withdraw from the
crowded. Holding people who have already been processed for an additional 48 hours is an unnecessary burden to our county.
They are operating often with fewer staff than they should have, and as part of the memorandum of agreement,
many of our staff will need to obtain additional training from ICE, taking them out of rotation and making it impossible to keep staffing at full capacity.
On top of that, I feel safe with my clients in the hands of our officers, but I'm fearful
when I think that our officers might hand them directly over to ICE agents, who research
has shown are under-trained and undervetted.
Please consider rescending this agreement.
Well, good evening commissioners and Mayor, we appreciate you being here or the people who are, sorry about that, but I was wanting to make sure I understood why your names are?
Oh, thank you, very much, James.
My name is Thomas, I'm Birkemeyer.
Because my namesake, Thomas, Birkemeyer,
I want to make sure, even though he and I
share a lot of the same views.
But I'm the Thomas, I'm Birkemeyer.
School teacher for 36 years with so many good people.
And my appreciation for all of you tonight
starts with your attention.
Thank you.
I'm puzzled as to Tony yours and headphones because I don't know why headphones on it.
There we have we have commissioners who have hearing loss and it allows them to listen correctly to you.
Thank you very much. That helps me understand. Because I want to be understanding as I think you do too.
And I appreciate this opportunity. What a privilege. Jackson works.
and this is beautiful. When I was waiting outside in the cold, because the gates were closed
on the steps and we had one working elevator, I thought, this doesn't look good. It was
crowded right out the doors, out to the sidewalks. And thank you. Thank you, thank you for all
who are being here and for making your voices heard for those who can't be heard because this
is only a small piece of the voice that Jackson represents. So I'm so grateful to be here
and to be a part of it. And I am glad Tony that your little sign is now no longer there because
I want to respect you like I respect the others here that are listening attentively. I came with
my phone ready for notes but my gosh the people who spoke before me spoke better than I can
and I am so grateful for that even for those who disagree and so I'm thankful that we can
come to Jackson and do this the way America was meant to be the way the people used to think that
this is why I want to come to America and that's why our immigration system which hasn't been
repaired in 50 years, how many, how many presidencies is that? And our Congress came this close
to a bipartisan agreement to help fix the immigration system. But there was a mighty big voice
that said, no, don't do that. And it didn't pass. It didn't have a chance. Again, and so they have
go back and try again to make our immigration system work.
So my appreciation to every one of you
that are listening and making America better
because we can listen to each other better
by doing it this way.
So thank you Mr. Mark Meyer.
Hello.
Am I close enough?
No.
Is this better?
All right.
Well, hello.
My name is Alex Scott.
Well, my legal name is Ellis Scott, most of the people in this room, probably know me as Alex.
I just like to, can we just take a breath for a minute, because there's been kind of a lot happening, and I like to give everybody a moment to just take a deep breath.
There we go. Okay, so I've been taking some notes and I'd like to hit just reiterate some of the major points that I've been seeing a lot of people talking about.
So, here's some of the issues just in the order that I have them written down, now I will particular order.
Safety in our community or the lack of it with ice around or deals with ice people don't feel like it's safe around
Here, when ISIS is around. There's also a lot of concern that deals with IS, decrease trust in our police force, creates a culture of fear, and that culture of fear leads to people not reaching out when they need help.
Being afraid to call the cops or call 911, like someone described earlier, multiple people have described.
There was one specific example of the one woman who was with someone in the emergency room right before this.
There's also the logistics that county police are underfunded.
There are much better uses for these funds than going to this deal,
especially when ICE has billions of dollars in their own budget.
Why should we be offering up our limited resources?
Frankly, it's a misuse of monetary and personal resources.
And something that I hadn't necessarily thought of up to this point is the impact that this is having on our kids.
Because, as multiple other people have mentioned, we've had teachers, we've had parents, we've had people who just work with kids or our kids themselves,
talking about how stressful all of this is for them.
how scared they are, how like we've had a few people talk about how it's impacting
performance in school, but we've also had a few people talk about how clearly it's impacting
their own mental health and how even the kids think that there are much better uses of our resources
and our time than going after immigrants when we've got American criminals running around.
So those are the major things figured I'd do a little recap.
39 speakers in.
And yeah, that's it.
Keep it up, guys.
Good.
Am I good?
Am I close?
Okay.
Hi, my name is Jason Hill.
I'm a resident of Jackson.
I work at Jackson High School.
Every day I go to work and I hear stories of kids being afraid to go to school.
Children being afraid to go to school.
to school. Every day I have to wonder what I owe them. I have to wonder if I have to put my
body in between a fascist loser and a child. Even worse, I have to be prepared to decide
if someone is an actual representative of the U.S. government or a mask Nazi freak. I'm
going to take 20 cents of my time and I want all of you to think about what you would do in that
situation and masked unarmed or unidentified ice agent approaches you 20 seconds right now think how you would react in my shoes
I would have had to have acted by now
So I hope you guys made your decision
I want you to know that anyone up here who enables this I will dedicate every fiber of my being to ending your political career forever because you're fucking criminals
Alright, my name is Celeste Ross and I am in Spray-Ober. Um, I am never American, the Mexican,
so the reason why this impacts me is because, unfortunately, I think three of my travel members,
So Glyllazoo were,
I'm sorry, I'm nervous, I'm a penitenti, I is in their Native Americans.
They had this landfers.
You see, I have been kidnapped, I have been abused many ways neglecting by Americans.
And, you know, I almost was in a large community because my parents were afraid.
Um, they actually started giving me talks about if I got me, well, I would do, and I feel like
they should not have to do that, they should not have to have to live with fear that their
child is going to get taken away from them, um, and it just, you know, I get scared sometimes
to go aside because of what's been going on in Minnesota and I do not want to live in fear
that I will get apprehended and held even though I have legal documents. Sometimes they do
that and I feel like kids my age should not have to fear about getting apprehended by those
people who are supposed to be taking actual criminals, and they're taking kids. So I just wish
that you guys would not pass bill because I do not want to believe in fear and I don't want
other kids my age or immigrants feel this way ever. Thank you.
My name is Yvonne Bella and I'm a citizen. I'm a Mexican-American and thank you very proud of
And I always grew up wanting to be a police officer and ended up becoming a nurse.
So instead I decided to, you know, pass me years taking care of people.
So I'm very compassionate about taking care of, you know, others.
And sorry, I don't have anything prepared.
So I'm kind of just doing it on the whim because I'm stopped and I'm scared and
we have Stephen Miller who is telling law enforcement people to step down like used
taking away law enforcement responsibilities and replacing them with people that were
January 6 rioters with domestic chaos and now we expect them to be accountable for people
safety and a buy-by-the-law.
But it all has now, but it used to be a five to six months ice, they used to have five
to six months of, you know, training, and now it is down to 47 days.
So do you expect those people are going to know the law?
Do you expect those people are going to not train for over your other people's rights or
your rights?
Because if you don't think that they're going to train for over your rights, you are mistaken.
And immigrants,
you know, the thing is, is you think that you were up here and we're defending
criminals.
That's not it at all.
If people are criminals, you know, I'm fine with getting people out that have committed
a violent crime, but most immigrants are law-biting people.
And, sorry, I'm just really shaking and really stressing.
But most people right now in the past year that have been in detained don't have any criminal convictions.
Being here with undocumented is actually a civil infraction.
Did you know that? A lot of people think that it's a felony? You always call it illegal.
It's not. It's a civil infraction. It's like you're getting a traffic ticket.
Okay, those people have made a life here. They have raised families and they deserve to be here.
Just as much as you do.
And so I just, I don't want the Disapo here doing checkpoints and detaining and pulling people out of fucking cars.
Do you, is that what you want? I know I don't.
And I ask that you don't either.
Can you hear me all right?
My name is Lily Carlson. I am 20 years old and I work as a pharmacy technician with the corrections facility here in Jackson. I have lived here my whole life.
And the thought of ice coming to my hometown is disturbing.
I come to you to ask to not go through with helping ice break up our unity, families, and
drive rips into our community.
The children in schools that are scared to come home or go to school, the children that
are scared to go to school and come home to no one, to parents that are absent because
they were taken.
That is what I'm scared of.
A member of our community that may come along help notify that ISIS and our neighborhoods,
they could be killed or injured by ISIS as we have seen in Minneapolis,
just to help our
fellow neighbor, not alien, not illegal, not criminal, but a neighbor. They are mothers,
father's students or your friends,
and upon our local offices that are already stretched
in, you wish to have them redirected and assist these monsters.
Sorry,
um, that disguise
themselves as helpful servants. We do not have the resources nor the money to help these people
with their agenda. So I ask you, Board of Commissioners, please do not assist breaking up immigrant
families that hold our society together just as much as any other family does. And do not
ask this community to help us that will inherently harm the image of our officers.
This is from a non-paid professional agitator.
Hello. I'm a human, Gina Oheather of Jackson.
Yes. I'm a human. I'm a, I'm a, I'm Gene O'Header from Jackson. The Lord is with me, no one should
be against me. They're supposed to love that neighbors. No, our neighbors help our neighbors.
It wasn't planned on talking tonight. I wasn't planning on coming at all. My mom taught me to
stand for something or stand for nothing, which I can't stand. I'm in my chair. I got a little
a humor, but the
few little things that I wrote down is I too have spent many years as a
CO with an MDOC 16-hour shifts back to back to back to back before COVID before we started
to lose the America that I knew when I was a child.
I don't like to be in public in that
people know that I used to be a seal. I lost my career because of the over time.
I bought a couldn't take it no more.
Well I was there.
I got to know why inmates
were in their real violent offenders from sexual offenses murder that deserve to be in
there. And another part that moved me to talk to is there was
a Jackson citizen that
happen to be a Caucasian man that violated my daughter in the store here in Jackson. I know
people heard that it was a possible lie that was made up. I believe my daughter. Jeremy
Alexander is the one, the former city commissioner. I stand behind my daughter and I stand
With all I have,
I wish people would start to focus on the kids that need guidance, help and support with their childhoods because they are our future.
I've heard just a couple of people talk about the kids.
They need to be invested in because they are our future.
There's so many kids that are in need and help guidance that don't have it in whichever way.
There's so many different stories. I know I have eight seconds.
This has taken all of me to come here today to speak out.
My name is Jason Warts, and I live in District 2.
Two things. The Jackson County Sheriff's Office app inmate roster has not been working since December
19, more than a month ago. This information needs to be available to our community.
JCSO says it's a vendor issue, quote, but rosters for other chair's offices that use
the same app are working, I checked in Ohio and North Carolina.
I think the JCSO might be disappearing April by not publishing this roster.
Second,
by starting your meeting, by starting your meetings with a prayer, I assume you're
all Christians and live your lives according to its tenets.
As a reminder, Jesus Mary and Joseph were refugees,
and the following scripture stands in
the right opposition to your 27-g agreement with ICE. Listen to these forces and
then
hands your 20-27-g agreement with ICE. The Bible tells you so.
The Bible tells you that
the foreigner is a near to God's heart and I quote from the Leviticus chapter 19 verses
1910. When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap the very edges of your field
or gather the gleenings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick
up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor in the foreigner. I am the Lord,
your God.
Next, from Deuteronomy, chapter 10, verses 18 to 19. He defends because of the
and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.
And you are to love those for foreigners, for you yourselves, for foreigners and Egypt.
Job 29-16.
I was a father to an idiot. I took up the case of the stranger.
Psalm 146-9. The Lord watches over the foreigner and sustains the fatherless in the widow,
But he frustrates the ways of the wicked and the Bible guide himself takes up the cause of refugees and immigrants
Acts of this 1249
The same law applies to both the native born and the foreigner sir citing among years out of time
I can't keep going with the Bible now sir
No sir
All right
I'm going to call these two questions.
We're in this neighborhood.
All questions.
I'm going to start.
I'm Nancy Isler.
I live in Sandstone.
I'm Nancy Isler.
And I live in Sandstone.
Township.
I'm still.
You still.
Okay.
I'm not allowed to speak of it.
I'm Nancy Isler.
And I live in Sandstone Township.
In the village of Parma.
I had not intended when I came here to speak, but I just want, I just want you to know that
it's so important to resind to 87G. Whatever people thought was going to happen or how
they were going to help the community, obviously is not helping. There is a lot of passion
in this group, both ways, but I hope you mostly hear how people are fearful and don't see it as something that's going to be helpful.
I personally have a son and grandson that don't look like me, I fear for them.
I professionally worked with police in this county,
both city, state, and the sheriff's department,
and they, I found very committed and well-trained.
To think that now they are going to be associated
with people in uniforms, with no names and masks,
it seems to me that, as if I was a police officer,
I would be very apprehensive about how I'm going to deal with my community with that associated with me.
I haven't heard any good thing that could happen, and it's attacks on resources, if nothing else,
with a lot of vulnerability, I think, in terms of suits.
So, but I appreciate all of your attention for listening to all of us in our in our position and viewpoint.
Thank you.
My name is Matt Collaga district five.
I'm going to go about this a little different. If that's okay.
I'm not going to regurgitate all the facts and all the things that people have said.
So, for ten years plus I sat in a chair like you.
So, I understand the weight that you carry.
I understand the pressure that you're under.
I understand the values that you hold.
For 36 years, I have managed service industries,
a vast majority of in Jackson, Michigan.
I have employed hundreds of your relatives
and your family members and your friends.
You have shopped in my stores.
Some of you have called me names.
I have employed the vulnerable,
I have employed the Havs, I have employed the Havnots.
I have people of great wealth who shop in my stores, and I have people who can barely
make it, who shop in my stores.
I have the very wealthy of Jackson County, used my restrooms, and people who are uneducated
and cannot speak English.
Use my restrooms.
I have people of all walks of life
who shoplift from me.
I have had a call,
our fine officers multiple times
for every walk of life in Jackson County.
So I'm coming to you to say,
who do you represent?
Do you represent the wealthy?
do you represent the underserved? Do you represent the vulnerable?
Do you represent the educated?
Do you represent the Christians? Do you represent the sinners? Do you represent the Baptist? The Catholics? The Lutherans? The atheists? The diagnostics?
Who do you represent? The countries watching?
everybody. If I asked right now for everybody in this room, they had a phone, the entire room would hold up a phone.
Nothing is secret anymore. Every decision that we make is being videoed, I am being videoed right now.
And it is going to go everywhere. So nothing that we do is secret.
So I'm just going to ask this very simply.
Are we going to act and have a place that is safe?
Are we going to value our residents?
And are we going to do what's right?
Thank you.
Good evening.
Nate Edwards, Blackment Township.
Okay, I want to just touch on a few things that we're said tonight.
First of all, for civility, we must have laws and order, right?
We have to have a order and that comes from our laws.
Understand the immigration mess that we are in the reason we're having this conversation is a direct result of lawlessness
We need to return to law. We need to enforce the law, right?
So the lawlessness of open borders of previous administrations has put us in this mess. Now, I want to talk about I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to like kind of lightening around this
I'm going to talk about the the children that are afraid to go to school listen if I had a parent or a teacher
that was spinning up this kind of hysterical nonsense every day and I had to listen to it.
I'd probably be afraid to leave the house too. Maybe that's more on us than it is on ice.
All right. So let's talk about the boogey man, because that's what you've been here in all
night. You've been hearing about the boogey man. A lot of this is just nonsense. You're being asked
to consider things that are not part of this agreement, right? So you're being, and I know you
already know this, right? You're being led down this straw man path, right? So just ignore that.
Here's another point I want to make touching on something I said tonight.
Hey, guess what? If you're here, there's a right way and a wrong way. If you did it the wrong way,
your illegal, that makes me a criminal. So it's your criminal. Yep. Hey, hey, let's let him talk.
Let him talk, let him talk, let him talk, let him talk, all right, so tax dollars are brought up,
all right, everybody's all the sudden concerned about their tax dollars, training some
a giving some additional training to our law enforcement coming from the same group of people
that think it's perfectly appropriate for our tax dollars to go to mutilating and murdering children.
Yeah, I said it. So let him talk or your dirty would you please escort that woman out?
Right there.
All right, two two my I'm gonna this is gonna be my last point. You are your political careers
Yes, man. Yes, sir.
You're you're
like I said hysterics
Anyway, let me continue.
Your political careers were threatened, but let me reassure you.
We did have an election, and in our election, we elected Donald Trump, who ran on
what?
Immigration, deportation, right?
And he won, and not only did he win in America, but he won in Michigan, and he won in
this county.
So regardless of how loud the opposition is tonight, you guys need to understand that
the people are behind the decision to renew this agreement and we are behind the share of
and his enforcement and we fully support our law officers and the share of and thank you for
being the first county to do it. God bless you, God bless Donald Trump and God bless America.
Hi, my name is Ashley Hillyard. I'm from Jackson.
I have no idea what's about to come out of my mouth,
But here we go,
first I would like us to all agree that we're going to rescind our agreement with ICE and not bring their terrorism here so that all these fascists over here will be happy about it.
I would like to
just purely state that
my family came from Germany during World War II after the Gestapo ripped the children away from the family.
And I would really not like to see that happen here,
I don't appreciate any of you protecting
that bullshit here in my state that I've grown up in lived in my entire life.
Being undocumented is a misdemeanor at best. And we are wasting so much
of this country's money, let alone individual states, counties,
We are wasting our money, our resources, our time, and our people's lives on this fascist bullshit and it needs to stop before we stop being peaceful.
It's on the horizon if you don't see it.
If you let them in here, peace won't last long.
Thank you.
My name is Marcy Jankovich, I live in Summit Township, Jackson, Michigan.
I'm a certified paralegal advanced with criminal law and procedure specialty. It's very obvious to me that the majority in this room don't support this ordinance.
Don't know what it says. If you don't want ice in your community, then you'll support what sheriff shooting did because ice comes to the jail instead of your house or in a patrol car or whatever.
If you read the actual provision, it doesn't go to road control, it doesn't go any of those places, it goes only to the jail,
and it goes only to those who have been arrested for committing another crime, not just for being here illegally.
So I applaud Sheriff Shuddy, because he's really the one who's keeping ice out of your community,
and also facilitating the removal of those who are here illegally.
Thank you, Sheriff Shuddy, and thank you to the County Commission.
If friends, my name is Jamie Bradley, I've been a resident and a pastor here in Jackson, Michigan
for the last 14 and a half years.
And for me, I mean, a religious conviction is that when we welcome the stranger, we welcome
Jesus.
But I recognize that that's not everybody's conviction.
So I think the conviction that I just kind of put on TV for us, I think it doesn't have
be about political sides, it doesn't have to be about religiousness or anything like that.
I think it's much of what's being said here tonight is feels inhumane, and it feels, you've
heard the many voices, there's fear, there's panic, and it's not just for the immigrants,
the refugees, and the marginalized, but it's moved on to many beyond that as well.
And so I think, in many ways, what's being voices, there's got to be a better way forward,
a way in which we can find something more loving, more cautious, more care to create the kind of
Jackson that we've always hoped to create. And I think of the girl spoke earlier, I think,
I don't know that the 49 of us need to speak. I think if she spoke, that pretty much just hit home
for me as she kind of went through all the pain that she feels as she considers the dynamics that
And so, yeah, I think I'm just adding to the voice of what's already been said.
Bill Richardson, Waterloo Township.
I'm going to buck the trend a little bit and not talk about ice.
I recently submitted a application for the vacancy and the region to planning commission.
I have an interest in local planning and zoning.
I've been involved in these areas some form another for over 20 years.
I spent four years of our on our township planning commission as a township border
representative have served on our zoning board of appeals and I've shared our
extraction committee for over 15 years. I had a hand in authoring our township's
extraction ordinance and recently co-author of our township's commercial solar
ordinance. I've also authored other parts of our township's zoning ordinance
when I was on the planning commission. I enjoy keeping up to date on new developments
regarding zoning and master plans and I've recently been watching data centers
and a red up on the recent lawsuit regarding a data center land use application in
Celine Township. I'm also currently a township's clerk. I feel I would have some good
input for township submitting their plans and also think it would help me better
understand or better serve my own township by understanding the trends of surrounding
municipalities. So I just wanted to do myself, you know, I submitted a application for
to do finding commission and that's it. Thank you.
Well, my name's Norman Giles and I'm a resident of the city of Jackson and first of all
I want to apologize if I offended anybody by responding to the lady that was taking Tony
signed down.
I think my observation, I've only lived in Jackson for about three and a half years.
And I've been to a couple of hearings here before, but is contentious as this subject is.
I'm not surprised that the ratio is probably about
four to one maybe.
There's four people against compared to the one person that maybe wants to stand behind the sheriff.
Long time ago, I read a quote by a Presbyterian Minister and it goes something like this.
Nothing will keep a man in everlasting ignorance, like contempt, prior to investigation.
What that means to me is I had the opportunity to listen to a lot of people, get up,
And expressed their beliefs, their opinions, and I know I came from their heart, that's what they believe.
The way I made that to my advantage was I listened to them to see if there was anything that they expressed
that maybe I could come around to agree with.
I didn't come here because I wanted this to be a decisive, you know, us versus them situation.
And I hope that we all walk away from here knowing that a little, you know, it got a
little bit heated a couple of different times, but overall, I respect for each other.
I think has been outstanding.
And I commend the board.
I support the sheriff.
I came here before when they were talking about other needs that the sheriff was asking
the county commission to be supportive of. And you know,
we're going to call.
I'm not
an anti-immigration person. One of my best friends immigrated from Ghana, South Africa.
And I have another friend that came from China. I met him when I was going to school.
And both of these people, you know, the one from China's
Communists, I didn't try to change his way of thinking.
He didn't try to change my way of seeing things either.
Kid from Ghana, man, he couldn't wait to get
to get serious out of time.
Thank you.
My name is Gaila Ignasio, and I live in the city of Jackson.
I just hope I know others have encouraged you to kind of, as commissioners look around.
These are your people, where the people who go to the polls, where the people you represent and work for.
I hope you paid attention tonight.
I don't like being dismissed out of hand.
I didn't like being dismissed in the lobby by Mr. Kennedy.
I can't remember if you call this loons or crazies, but when we haven't even approached
the commissioners and we had called names in the lobby by commissioner.
Wow, yeah. We came here in March and April to try and warn you guys that the division this would cause.
One of the asks by one of you guys was simply that the lawyers
take a look at the possible ramifications of this, that was voted down. Within that meeting
or the next meeting, you guys fully were arguing over a sign that was going to be posted
somewhere in the county, and you made sure to approve that your legal team looked over the
ramifications of that. This just boggles my mind. How do you guys function as a board? I can't
stand up here and thank you like others have so politely done. I've been so disheartened
to see how you work and function. I hope it improves.
I will tell you three stories quickly. As a member of the Jackson County Immigrant Coalition,
our hotline received a call from a man actively having a stroke who is too afraid to call
one one because our sheriff is in agreement with 287G. Fortunately, we had a rapid responder
who went to him, took him to the hospital, stayed with him until family arrived.
A student today, middle schooler, chatting about her day, stopped froze. She goes to Napoleon,
where ice was spotted last week on 50. Oh my goodness, Miss Gayle, I guess what? We heard a police
Today, in the school and everyone frozen, we started to hide, we thought ice was coming to get somebody.
There's a man in our community who worked all summer for one of our businesses who earned $3,000.
And then that business owner said, I know you're an immigrant. You can't call the cops and refuse to pay him. The money he earned.
I use this here. We were able to stop a raid at one of the local restaurants. We were able
to stop someone from being taken from their home. I am willing to put my beliefs and values
embody on the line.
May I have your time, Job? Thank you.
Good evening. My name is Marcie Henrich. I am from Summit Township of Jackson. I am also
when I let Dina and an American citizen. I'm here to ask you to rescind 287G, please.
I have lived all over this country and all over this world and my husband and I have recently
within the last three years decided to make Jackson our home. We have lived in California,
Austin, Texas, and moved from Austin, Texas to bring our money to Jackson, Michigan.
I am very fearful for my child who looks more Hispanic than I do when I know we have friends
that say your children should not be scared because of what they see.
It is not from my home that my child has seen this.
He heard my son and children and classmates and teammates have heard my child and I speak
Spanish together because I believe that is a great skill to have and to pass down my knowledge.
He is being threatened by his classmates and teammates to have ice called on him at 12 years old in sixth grade.
I am devastated as a mother.
To try and have to explain to him why his classmates are saying this to him,
when his father and I have not done this to him.
We have talked to his teachers.
My husband, the coach of my child's basketball team,
has spoken to the players, he understands their children, and has offered them grace.
Please, I cannot have my child in fear for his life.
When we have chosen to move here and spend our money with you all,
we are home owners, we are proud to be here.
We love it here. We've summered here.
My husband is from here, and we moved here to be back with family.
I am devastated that we have made all these choices that we have come to a place where there is hate lives.
Please, please do the right thing and protect my child.
Hi, my name is Ralph Siemens.
I'm a resident of Scythe Township in neighboring Washington County.
My wife and I actually my family and I, we frequent Jackson dining establishments, we come here frequently.
one thing I want to say, as most people wouldn't know, I'm an immigrant. I was born in
the Netherlands. Most of my family is German. When I was 16 I moved to Canada and 27 years ago,
I moved to this country. I own two businesses.
I hold two passports at this point if I had three
my whole life and what I grew up with, my maternal grandfather was in the resistance. He was
actually picked up by the Germans, shipped off to Germany, escaped, came back. My grandmother,
he never wanted to talk, he never talked about anything. My grandmother, she was quite open
about what had happened during the war.
And as a kid, I heard a lot of stories.
But one thing, and I think this is one thing
that you might want to start thinking about is your legacy.
Because to this day in the Netherlands,
people that collaborate with the Germans, the families,
are still identified.
Rightly or wrongly, those families are still known
as having been collaborators with the Germans. Now you know what's going on in this country,
with ice in particular, is not right. There's not a person in this room that will defend
or murder or a rapist that is here illegally to ship them off and ship them back. Not one person here.
And I find that, you know, this whole narrative about equating criminals with immigrants.
Hopefully, you're a little smarter than that and see through that.
That's just not what's going on.
Okay, criminals.
You go fine, but that's not what's going on. That's supposedly is what ISIS mandate is, but we've all seen,
you don't have to, unless you've been living on Iraq, you know exactly what's going on. That is not what's going on.
People are getting picked up, left, right, and center. And why don't I get hassled? Well, I think we all know why.
So,
I want you to think about 20, 30, 40 years from now.
Your kids, your grandkids.
If you allow yourself and enable, your shares department to work with ICE, that's a losing
proposition.
Thank you.
Hi, my name is Ermao Jada.
I'm 72.
I have lived her my whole life, my family, all, every one of them is workers retired from
shops and became because of the shops here. And let's call a spade to spade. The person in the
White House, who is a known pedophile, rapist, felon, has put all this in focus here. I have nothing
against the sheriff. I have nothing against the city police. We were taught to respect.
And I have my whole life. I've never gotten in trouble. I've never done anything. But I am very,
very scared. I have had open heart surgery. My ribcages put together with warriors. I'm afraid
if ice comes here, I see them. They just slam and you're down. Well, how am I going to prove
they aren't even giving you time to prove I'm an American citizen, even if I say it.
I'm going to be dead by the time I get picked up.
My grandchildren who are white, if you see them, you wouldn't know their Mexican.
And they brag that their part Mexican have been being told that they're going to get
caught by ICE.
My grandchildren, hobby and fear, because they heard ICE is coming in Michigan.
my family has always been respectful look at me and I hide it you know the
Jews had a star I'm brown I'm brown I'm a target matter how we put it I'm
target I am so scared I like I said it is nothing against the sheriff it is
nothing can replace. I am so glad we have them to be here to protect us. Let's put it to get
great. Spain to Spain. They're proud boys. They're hateful. They're demons. They don't care. And
they know they don't have to respect the law. Trump doesn't have to respect the law. Oh, a bunch of them
You will get a whole other story of what's going on.
And nobody's talking about it.
Not even Trump, who should be.
So please, I am not against the sheriff.
I am not against the police.
Please do not let ICE in here like that.
Give him free reign.
Look at the neighborhood of Minneapolis.
That's what's gonna happen to us.
And that's what I'm feeling.
Busting down the door because somebody in my neighborhood
there's a Mexican living there.
That is my fear. That is what I am petrified. Never been so scared of my life as I am now, especially because I am such a state out of faith. Thank you.
Hello, everyone. My name is Mary Greenman. I have lived in Jackson my whole life, which will be 71 years next month.
And I've raised my children here, and my grandchildren, and I love this city, it's a great place to live.
And now I have to carry my birth certificate with me everywhere I go.
Just in case, an ice person wants to ask me if I'm a citizen, if I'm legal, and I've worked my butt off my whole life.
And I've worked hard raising my children, and now at this age, I have to be afraid,
I hope you're all here in me what fear is, because that's what it is.
I mean, as a child, we had bomb scares at school and we had to put a book on her head.
book on my head ain't going to save me from ice. And after last spring, when you had your
killology at the college, that was super frightening to me because
killology is not what you need to be teaching people. I respect the police officers. I respect our
government, but things have to change or it's going to get worse. And you're listening to me, sir,
see that. But I hope that you all will use your hearts in your conscience to guide you and what
you decide to do with ICE because they don't belong in our city if you arrest a real criminal,
a murder, turn the person over to ICE. But a lot of the people that they're apprehending are not true
criminals. I'm not a criminal and I still have to be afraid. I hope you all will listen to
what I've said and take it into your heart and take it into your thoughts and may we have a moment
for where they good.
I thank you all for hearing me.
Good evening Mr. Chair and commissioners. My name is
Nancy Smith, and I'm a Jackson County resident, but I'm here tonight in my capacity as I'm on the staff of state Senator Sushink, and she asked me to deliver a short message from her, which I have, to acknowledge the moment we're in and to acknowledge all of the deeply held beliefs in this room, and I will let her know.
And I want to thank everyone for sharing your heartfelt thoughts, beliefs, and messages, and
also everyone for your heartfelt listening.
I'm sure she'll appreciate it.
Okay, these are Senator Shankswords.
I support an immigration system that is stable and predictable.
A system that allows people who want to be part of our community, who want to be Americans,
a clear path to citizenship.
And when people follow that path, they should be treated with dignity and respect, and eventually by following the rules of our system, they can become citizens.
At this time in history, we don't have that. People who have been following the rules, sometimes even people who are citizens.
Today are being abducted by masked men operating out of unmarked vehicles and some are being
disappeared even in our state.
Instead of focusing on people who represent a danger to our community and ensuring that
The process is given to all according to the Constitution.
Ice is terrorizing citizens, as well as immigrants who are valued members of our communities.
Sometimes leaving children orphaned or alone, and sometimes beating or killing people,
for reasons that at least one judge has said, are illegal.
Sheriff's shooting and his officers are trusted members of this community and we rely on them to keep us safe.
The Office of the Jackson County Sheriff risks losing the trust of this community through its alliance with ICE.
As ICE engages in increasingly inappropriate and illegal behavior.
Thank you.
Good evening commissioners. Amy Hawkins, Plaskite Township. It is an honor to be before you again. It's been a while. Thank you
to each of you for your service. I want to say thank you to all of my fellow citizens here in the room and to those that have left.
Those that agree with me and those that disagree with me. I think we should celebrate tonight. The fact that we live in this awesome nation
that we have a forum that we can come and speak publicly before our distinguished leaders,
that we can agree to disagree and do it with respect. That is something that we should all walk
out feeling very hopeful about. I am hopeful as I look forward. I stand here in strong
support of Sheriff Shudi and his deputies and law enforcement, but what I would also like to say
to all those that may be disagree with me. Thank you for your courage to speak up because it is good
for me to hear your side of the story and where you're coming from and if we can be honest,
all of us are going to make Jackson County better by learning and listening to one another,
learning and growing together. Nobody has everything right, but we sure have a lot of truth
that we can celebrate. I would like to respectfully remind all of us, when we are in crisis,
home invasion, we're threatened, who do we call 911? It is not just anybody that chooses
to pick up that phone and to answer our call for help. It is an officer that chose whether
it's ice, whether it's military, whoever it is, they chose to make the sacrifice to stand
between you and me and danger. And so all I'm asking tonight is as we walk out of here, that
We will remember the ice agents, no matter where they're at across the nation, they are men and
women, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, they have dreams and hopes and they are trying to
do their best to do a good job.
Are there bad apples?
Are there bad humans?
Are there bad?
But there sure is a lot of good.
I have had the honor of getting to know and work alongside Sheriff Shootie, and can I just
offer this one tip from a fellow citizen?
How many of you have invited Sheriff Shootie or any of his team to come to your community
gathering to explain the policies they're weighing, to explain how they handle law enforcement
or how they handle issues?
Could I just invite you to be a part of their public open house that they've used during
the summer?
get to know them, you will find them to be men and women of the highest quality that would lay
down their lives in a moment for us and who care deeply about all who live in this community.
Thank you, commissioners.
Thank you all for your wrapped attention and your patients tonight.
We're all tired. My name is Kaylee LaFierre. Thank you. And I am a resident of Summit Township.
And all of you in front of me made your stance very clear when you originally made the decision to agree to 27G, even if you did not realize the full implications at that time,
committing to policies like these, as a slippery slope.
Please know that we are not delusional.
We know we can't change your minds with feelings and anecdotes, but we're educated, we're
pleading and we're your voters,
and I'm still here using my privilege, even after recently
having surgery and being treated for a pulmonary embolism, I should be at home, recovering,
and safe. However, I cannot truly feel safe if my neighbors do not feel safe. The family that
married into help build this community and has created opportunities that everyone in this room has benefited from.
Not all of that family would agree with me being here and speaking.
In fact, my husband even joked that he wouldn't bail me out if I got in trouble going out tonight.
But my son will be proud of me.
That's why I can't be quiet.
Because if you're complacent in the face of tyranny, you support the oppressor.
I personally am ashamed that racism, profiling and the blatant disregard for due process
has become the norm, and I hope you feel ashamed if you support any of those items as well.
I truly support the Sheriff's Office and the police community here.
They have kept us safe.
They have been trusted.
And I don't want to lose that trust.
Those who do not heed the warnings of history are doomed to repeat it.
And just following orders does not hold up in court.
Thank you.
Hello.
My name is Annie.
I will meet me, Greens.
I'm from Indonesia.
And in Indonesia, it's only a police and army who own the gun. Meanwhile, in America, it's
everybody can have a gun for the 70 and anything. My mom and my family is afraid when I'm
going here. Why? Because my 70 is there is a lot of people can shoot me drunk and people
in others. And there is an ice coming. They are covered their face. Why do they cover their face?
The second one, they doesn't have like name, only like the initial like, you don't know.
And it's made me afraid, double afraid, triple afraid, because they could be, I'm the target too.
I'm Asian, I'm Muslim, I'm a brown, yellow, whatever it is.
And it's very well known that people white people mostly is doing the, you know, like,
Seeing like a people who have a color, it's lower, so I'm like easily target for people.
And I want to say that I love America, I love a lot of people here, I love the Jackson, it's pretty nice.
And I want like all of you here who have a power of it to help us, to protect us.
Because I know, I don't have a guarantee that I can still live tomorrow, everyone can target me.
And I want all of you to protect us because what all of you, someone who has a power than us, thank you.
I'm John Greenman. I'm a resident of Jackson County.
I have been for 55, 56 years.
Most of you I see are about the same age as me and somewhere younger.
And my father, my uncles all fought in World War II, and my mother was a Rosie the Revitator.
And they fought against the regime that we are facing right now in this country, the same type of regime.
They're pulling people out of their homes, kicking their doors in, throwing them into jails, and somehow dying.
And it's just a disgrace to this country.
It's not just me or the people that are here agreeing with me, it's the world.
The whole world is looking at us and saying what in the world are these people doing over there?
This was the United States of America.
And here we are, pulling people out of their homes, smashing into their cars, dragging them
out, breaking their windows out of the cars or dragging them out.
And half the time, they're not even illegal, they're American citizens and they're just treating them like, well, I won't say what the president of the United States says, but that's why he's treating them in a, as far as we the people, we the people did not elect Donald Trump, some of the people elected Donald Trump.
But I for one did not vote for him ever and never would.
I've never agreed with man.
I've never liked the man.
I've always thought he's disgusting piece of human waste.
And what he does in this country is just pathetic.
And a lot of the people I've listened to have all said the same thing is
I'm feeling is that it's just a disgrace to have these people being humiliated
in front of their own families, being drug out, zip tied into streets, and then thrown into
police cars and dragged up. I actually know some police officers, my own self. I have
a nephew who's a police officer, and he went to school, and we have some police officers
here tonight, and I'm sure they went to school to become a police officer. I spent a couple
years in college and then went through academies. And these people, their ice agents are getting
two weeks training, they don't even go to the academy, they just, I don't know what they're doing,
how they're training them, because they're not learning any law, they're not learning anything,
other than be disruptive and destroy this great country of ours. It's terrible. I cannot believe
what's going on. It just, I'm in awe of what's happening in this country. I know that this officer right back here's probably went to college. I'm sure he did. He learned some law and went to sir.
Sir, you've used up all your time.
Thank you very much.
This time the administrator controlled I would like to address the audience.
Thank you.
The two main elevators in the lobby out there are offline.
We're not sure why, but it is real.
We have a stare over here that it would rather you not use.
It's five stories of spiral, you know, how those triangle steps are.
They're difficult at best.
We have another elevator back here in this corner.
we'll take you down to the first floor and we have a stair that's like normal so for those
of you who need to use the elevator feel free and of course those who can use the stair
feel free as well but try to avoid that one up there unless you're really in for a challenge it's
legal and all unsafe but you really got to be nimble I know I've struggled with it myself
yeah FYI we're all safe everything's good we can continue just want you to know though
That's the case. Don't run. They have for the elevators because they're not working.
If
we completed the first round of public comment,
at the end of the meeting,
at this time, I'd entertain a motion for the minutes.
It's so moved.
I have a motion and support.
Any questions or corrections from the minutes of the December meeting? Commissioner Bear.
Thank you, Chairman.
At this December meeting,
I made a motion, it was supported, we had a discussion, and then
the person that supported the motion initially withdrew their support.
And so it doesn't even show up in the minutes.
So our current minutes are not even a accurate record of what transpired at the meeting.
Your concern is that the minutes do not reflect the conversation that was had with the removal
of support to your motion.
Is that correct?
That's kind of what I'm concerned with.
What I'm really concerned with is we had a discussion.
I made a motion and it doesn't even appear anywhere.
So these minutes are not an accurate reflection of what transpired at our meeting.
While I've looked also, if we look at Robert's Rules of Order 482, our minutes are not compliant with Robert's Rules of Order.
Also not compliant with Robert's Rules of Order 484.6.
If you believe that way, what would you like to have added to the minutes, please?
I would like the minutes to reflect.
I'm asking for you to give me right now what you would like added to the minutes, please.
That's what I was doing if you'll stop interrupting me.
Under 17B animal control,
we need to add to it that a motion,
and you have the exact wording,
A motion was made to require certain procedures from our animal control officers.
The motion was seconded.
There was discussion.
Then the second was removed.
That needs to be said in the minutes.
So the minutes at least reflect the discussion that we had.
Madam clerk, could you please review review the video tape and add those items to the minutes, please?
Be my pleasure.
Anything else to be added to the minutes?
No.
But how are we proceeding from here?
You asked the clerk to ask the clerk to add to the minutes.
What was said that on the video tape by you and the other commissioner?
They'll be added.
So the minutes are amended.
Thank you. Yes, sir. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Do we carry? Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir.
Can I move that we take that we stand at ease for 10 minutes? No, sir. We're going to finish the meeting.
No, sir. We're going to finish the meeting.
We arrived at the consent agenda.
I have a motion on the consent agenda. I have support. Any items for removal? Yes, you mentioned your bear.
Like to remove 12B, armory farmers market project, road Jackson, least.
That becomes item 14A folks.
For clarification, was commissioner bears request to remove consent item 12B?
Is it boy? Yes, I'm reformer Marker. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Anything else for a move?
For discussion? No.
Are you ready?
Clerk will post the vote at this time. It'll appear on your computer. I'm a yes.
Mr. Chair.
Standing committee.
Standing committee public safety and transportation
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Chair.
We have one item of business tonight.
I'd like to see an appointment.
It's for the Region 2 Planning Commission.
The position is currently vacant.
At the time of the committee meeting.
There were no applicants.
However, an applicant has come in.
His name is Bill Richardson and I would put forth Mr. Richardson.
Is there any other nominations from the floor?
Very non-all in favor of Phil Richardson, please say aye.
Aye.
Those opposed?
Do we carry?
Congratulations, Mr. Richardson.
Anything else, Commissioner Kennedy?
No, sir, that concludes the business.
Thank you.
Standing committee's general government, chaired by Phil Duckham, Vice Chairman Walls,
Is standing in Vice Chairman Wall standing committee?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
We're bringing back the Armory Farmers Market for discussion.
I would like to have I see Kyle's here.
Would you like to speak to that for us, please?
Yeah, if you have any answer any questions and I did provide some additional information as a follow up from the committee meeting.
I seem like the same question revolved around the lease payout to the county.
So there are some three different options in the additional information provided.
One is how it's currently proposed, as well as a comparison to existing lease with the county.
Questions, commissioners?
No, we are. I'll take the floor if I could, please.
Okay, I appreciate to work you did put in force the three options of the one
Being the initial giving a dollar rent for the first two years and then transition into 8%
Along with 8% from year one on and I'm then an accruing one from two to four to eight eight
My question is the
And you're getting on the sales. I'm assuming that's provided from the individual proposing.
Yeah, the inauguration. These are road jacks and estimates. Yes. Okay. And how are we going to verify that the numbers each quarter?
So I'm sure in the least, there, it talks about an audit. So we would typically have our finance director help with reconciling our statement.
like it'll all be tracked in a POS system I'm hearing from. Yes. Yes. If I may answer that also,
we do have a system that we use through our financial, surely department administrative services
that tracks currently a million dollar loan that was given to Zimmer Marble to do their environmental
work and we received a non-autumn, we received an unauteted balance sheet and income state
meant from him once a year and that gets reviewed and approved and I assume the same pathway
here because we have a system that works well. You're talking about further places like the ice cream
stand and yes sir. Okay I appreciate the explanation.
Further questions? Commissioner Bear.
Thank you, Chairman.
I'm still disappointed that the rent for the first two years is one dollar a year.
That's, I just don't believe that's friscally responsible.
Today at 11.15 this afternoon, 11.12.
long after the deadline for getting things added to the agenda, and email was sent out,
including a document from Jackson County Parks about the Go Jackson lease revenue.
It talks about the below our three potential scenarios.
One scenario is the one that's currently been considered in the lease, but then two other
scenarios are discussed here, so I have a question, is some, are we, at this point, contemplating,
changing the lease from what we have been discussing for two months, and are we actually
think about considering these other two alternatives?
The Administrator Controllers Office put together those two other alternatives that the request
to the board from Monday's meeting of General Government. It was brought up then by then
Vice Chairman Kennedy that a consideration should be made, and the Administrator control
or inform the Board of Commissioners, that on Tuesday night, if a commissioner would prefer
one of the other options, that we would be happy to instill that language into the contract.
And the listener, Grow Jackson, was willing to accept one of the three.
He just told us on Monday that his payback would be longer before he would actually
be making a profit.
So what we're looking for tonight is either the Board of Commissioners to accept the $1
1.8% to accept the 248 option or the 888 option. And I'm willing to make the motion
that we go with the 248 option at this time if there is support for that.
I'll support it. Commissioner Vice Chairman Kennedy has supported the 248. Commissioner
May I bear your question? Yes, all three of these scenarios here in year one and year two talk have costs for the cafe bar and costs for the events vendors.
All of our discussions leading up to us. Those two those options are for years three four and five.
How did they now get put into years one and two?
We haven't discussed.
We haven't approved the KFA bar.
We haven't approved the events, vendors, but it all three options have those items in there
for years one and two.
Administrator Overton, it seems to be that we're really changing this program.
Actually, we're not, so the contract is such that the contract is such that when he grows
those fees become evident.
So really what happens is, you know, a 0, 8% of 0 is still 0.
This is a new structure, a new venture, and we're going to walk before we run.
This is going to be a farmer's market, and we all know what a farmer's market is.
If Code Jackson performs the way they believe they can, that will grow into a farm stop and right on through the progression where they may very well have a cafe,
beer sales, things like that.
Rather than go in and have them to revisit the contract every time Code Jackson advances and wants to change up their program,
we put a contract together that deals with it all.
So the first year in May very well just be a farmers market.
Obviously, we were received no income on the rent, no 8% of the first year, the motion is 2%.
So there would not receive 2% of cafe sales if there are no cafe sales.
But rather than change the contract, every time they change what they're doing, we were one contract
and over time if they achieved success, we're successful.
But with this program that's laid out here,
every discussion was that later, not here one,
or here two, later the cafe bar would be discussed and approved at that time, and the
events vendors would be discussed after year two.
So besides just the fee structure, are we approving the KFA bar in year one?
Personally, I don't think he's going to achieve year one KFA results.
But regardless of that, why go back and keep changing the contract?
We have it all set up now to, and as the board just has a motion on a table, two, four, eight.
What that means for everyone's benefits.
it's the first year, gross sales we would receive 2% and rent from the gross sales.
Second year, it'd be 4%.
Third year and thereafter would be 8%.
The idea of a contract like this where the use of percentage of gross is that the more successful
they are, the more significant, the more rent they pay to be on.
At some point, we hope they have such success that they come back and say,
time out, 8% is way too much of our multi-million dollar operation.
You know, we're no, I can drink, and I can understand why that would be the case.
But then we can negotiate what one would consider a fair market value given a neighborhood
in the community, which we live more.
But now it is perfectly fine.
They cannot sell alcohol without a state permit, whatever, and that's not up to work.
So we don't really know whether or not they give it some of these things, but our contract
is clearly up wrong that regardless.
So what we're saying Tony is that road jacks and can grow and its own rate for the next
five years and we're going to help them along by letting them choose what they want to
do and how fast they want to do it but we're still going to make our revenue from each item.
Okay, we've discussed this for a couple of months and now at the last minute, I got this
email it 11 12 this afternoon. We're changing everything that we've ever discussed for
two months. We're not changing the article back to study session. We're not changing
everything. I'm asking you to be intelligent and pick from one of three options in
a lease agreement on what a business can do so it can begin doing its business. It wants
to get to work. It wants to make money and it's a private sector operation. So we want
get it going. We're not going to set in weight and keep procrastinating on this month after month.
You have before you a complete lease agreement. The only thing you don't have in it is what the lease,
what the lease payment is going to be and it's based on a percentage of 2% the first year,
4% the second year and 8% the third year. That's not in the lease agreement that I have.
Well, no, it's in what Mike over ten sent you today, sir. He's asking you to to attempt to comprehend what we're trying to do.
So we're trying to take a lease agreement.
That's all done.
That was done with $1 for the first two years.
I'm going to remove the $1. I'm going to remove the $1.
And I'm going to charge the guy 2%.
So if he makes $10, I'm going to get 2%.
If he makes $100,000, I'm going to get 2% of it.
And then next year, I'm going to get 4% of what he makes.
And then year 3, 4, and 5, I'm going to get 8%.
Okay.
I understand.
It's just disappointing that we discuss this for two months and it's the last minute.
Actually, we've been talking, actually, actually we've been talking about it for four
years.
Okay.
And for four years at the last minute, we make some major changes.
Okay.
I'm ready to vote.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Jack.
My question was simply the IF people proposal.
What did we have in that proposal?
And are we changing that?
We had the $1.00.
The first few years and the 8% after that.
So the first two years.
Yes.
And then the 8% is here after that, okay.
So we're changing that now.
We're going to need to consider $1.
2%.
Okay.
We're going to $1 in the second year, and we're going to $2.4 a year.
We're going to $2.4 a year.
Okay.
And this, in a sense, you don't feel that those are all beautiful goals.
Can you restate the motion please?
Yes, man.
The motion I have on the floor is to approve the 2% 4% and 8% option.
Did I understand that correctly, Mr. Chair and Vice Chair?
That's the contract.
Not that.
Not asking you to defend the contract.
That's the contract for the vote on that.
So, you can vote up or down.
All things for what are you talking about?
Okay.
Would you repeat the motion that's on the floor?
Yes.
The motion of the floor is to approve the 2% 4% and 8% option.
Thank you.
Mr. Bear, you're the last vote I'm waiting
on.
Motion carries it is posted.
Now we're to the lease agreement.
Entertainment motion for the lease agreement has amended.
We have a motion and support.
Questions to the lease agreement.
Hearing none, Madam Clerk, could you post the vote?
it is posted.
No vote is posted, carries.
Thank you commissioners. Thank you.
Thank you, Kyle. Commissioner Walls. That concludes the business of the Standing Committee for General Government.
Thank you. Standing Committee Human Services, chaired by Commissioner Earl Poleski, Commissioner Poleski.
Thank you Mr. Chair. We have appointments tonight. There are four openings on the Department of Aging Advisory Council
for terms, expiring in December of 2026.
We have, for the four openings, we have one applicant at the moment, that is Mary Barron
and she is the committee recommendation for one of the four opening seats.
Any nominations from the floor?
All in favour of Mary Barron, please say aye.
Aye.
Those opposed?
Julie Kerry.
Commissioner Poleski.
It's all we have tonight, sir.
Thank you.
thank you very much sir. We've arrived at unfinished business there is number four of the board.
We're at new business administrator controller policy 60 40 60 on voting.
I will politely ask the clerk if there's any questions on this.
Thank you. Thank you. No, I don't have any questions. This was my recommendation. Correct, this one. If they have any questions, you're going to answer. I'll answer.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. This is basically going with how we practice our meetings and our voting and roll calls today. So this is updating to what our current practices.
Looking for a motion, have a motion from SNL, support from Walls, questions, Commissioner
Bear.
Thank you.
We were given a, what was said to be a red line, but it's not actually the current
Paul said, as it is written, as paragraphs, Roman numeral 1, 2, 3, 4, the proposed change
as paragraphs section 6, 1, section 6, 2, section 6, 3, and section 6, 4. What is the point
of, that was it, red line? So, why was that change made? That's my first question. I got another
one.
And what does the six point one refer to?
Okay, then I'll move on to my second question
then I'll make my motion to amend. The, I brought this up at our first meeting because the
The wording was contrary to our practice, the wording would be awkward to follow, and so
I suggested that we change this policy to reflect what have we been doing for the last
seven years.
The sentence in question is, well, it's in paragraph three, or section six, three, if you wish.
When the roll call, when he roll call voters take and the roll shall be called by the member's name in numerical progression by district.
Now, what I find confusing, the first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation from the previous meeting.
And that gets what really difficult.
So, if this meeting, I make the first motion, or I get called on, and it goes to Corey,
according to our current policy, the next meeting it starts with Rural.
And something has to keep track of who voted at the last meeting the last time.
So as suggested, we take out rotating from the previous meeting.
What has changed here is the first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation from
the previous meeting starting over each month.
Well, it's still a confusing awkward statement.
The words start in over each meeting should just be eliminated, because that just makes
it doesn't not make sense.
So here is, and if people will pass this on quickly and not sit on it and hold it,
as you do pass this around,
this is the motion that I would like to make, that the sentence
that we've been questioning.
The first member to vote shall be in continuous rotation in numerical progression, period, and the words from the previous meeting struck out.
That makes it a much easier procedure to follow. It makes a sentence that makes sense.
It's a sentence that does not contradict itself as the current proposal does,
because the current
the current wording is from the previous meeting, that's not in over the motion.
That's better.
Have you made a motion?
Is that your motion?
I'll make a motion.
All you have to do is say yes or no.
Yeah.
I make this motion.
All right.
Those opposed?
Dolly Carey.
Thank you, Vice Chairman.
Thank you, Corey.
We've arrived at public comment.
You have two minutes to address the board at this time.
You cannot share your time with other members of the public.
Public comment is now open.
Please state your name.
Just to make sure I understand the rules correctly.
I am allowed to speak once heard.
Yes, okay.
Just making sure.
Well, interest for self again.
My name is Alex Scott.
We will name L. Scott, but most of the people in the room are going to know me by Alex.
And I, I guess, like I said last time, I've been taking notes this entire time.
So I just want to say this one thing.
I guess I can't say that, but I want to say multiple things.
But only have so much time.
But 63 people spoke in the last public comment section.
One person talked about something that was an ice-related mad respect, honestly.
One person I couldn't entirely make out what their stance was, because I did not know who they were, and therefore did not know.
I didn't have any context for what they were saying, which was very vague.
Um, eight people specifically said that they were for the 287G deal.
53 said that they were against it.
There's 53 gave statements from all walks of life.
Some more logistics related.
And some were given by kids standing up here.
shaking, and then on the verge of tears,
regardless of what you think of any of that.
I think it's clear that 287gdl is just, it's not worth it. It's a drain of resources.
It's a drain of personnel money. It's a train of public trust,
and I hope that you will
Fully, fully consider what this deal means to the people of the county.
Thank you.
My name is Trili Baker, I'm a resident in Jackson City.
The city of Glandell terminated its contracts with ice in the Department of Homeland Security.
Let this be a model of how the Jackson County Sheriff's Department and the County Commissioners could respond with thoughtfulness to the concerned members of their community who have all spoken today.
The Vandale Police Department is trusted and supported by its residents.
In turn, our officers work every day to protect and to serve with professionalism and care.
At this time, it is in our best interest not to allow that trust to be undermined.
They explained how they had worked to build a department and a city based on transparency, safety, trust,
stating and this is from them never the less despite the transparency and safeguards the city has appelled
The city recognizes that the public perception of ice of the ice contract no matter how limited
matter how carefully managed no matter the good has become
divisive
I again call you to withdraw from the 2807G program. Thank you.
My name is Isaac Furness. I'm a resident of Jackson City
I believe District 7, right on the cusp, so I just wanted to speak to some of the specific
dollar amounts of the legal liability that does 287G agreements put us through.
It's been around for much more than a decade, so there are many lawsuits and legal
presidences that address this.
In Mecklenburg County of North Carolina, training supplies, salaries for four weeks,
training plus staffing costs for only 10 ice trained deputies was $500,000, but after
adding in the cost of detaining immigrants,
cost the county $4.8 million dollars.
The first year of operating the program in
Mecklenburg County, cost a total of $5.3 million.
The first full year of operation in the state's
Elements County, cost $4.8 million.
In Prince William County in Virginia,
the estimated cost is $6.4 million annually,
and it was $25.9 million for five years.
The initial cost were much higher than anticipated,
and the board of commissioners there had to raise
property taxes by 5% and also reduced funds that they were able to give to police and fire
services.
Costs associated with the program have been insurmountable for some agencies.
We've got sheriff's in Texas and Wisconsin recently ended their counties 287G programs
because they did not have the resources to continue.
In North Carolina, two jurisdictions each spent around $5 million in the first year to implement
the program.
Maricopa County, Arizona had created a $1.3 million deficit after implementing the program for just three months.
One county in Virginia had to raise property taxes and take money from its rainy day fund to implement its 280G program,
which cost $6.4 million in its first year.
I have a whole half page more of examples that I could get to how I would time.
It is not worth it.
Please withdraw from 2807G.
Thank you for your time.
I didn't get up the first time, but this time I couldn't resist.
There was so many people that got up to speak, and they were talking about their kids being
afraid.
Who's making these people afraid?
I can't figure it out.
If they got parents that are feeding into them, kids, they should be afraid to go to school.
I mean, either they're listening to teachers that are given fear to these kids, but I don't
understand it.
just don't understand how many could have come up and felt that fear. You know, the Bible
tells us that we don't have to fear when we're doing what's right. I've only a for criminals
do we have to worry about fear? God gave me a spirit. He did not give me a spirit of fear. He gave
a spirit of love and a sound mind and no fear, no fear. So, it's just, I was just amazed.
That was just amazed.
These people that came across the border during the Biden administration, when they
came into our country illegally, they were a criminal. I mean, is that so hard to understand
their criminals. So if they come in this country and then make
their self-known by committing a murderer or whatever crimes they want to do,
why would they expect people to come and get them for goodness sake?
Our country is a nation of laws. So please accept the fact that there are
a majority of the people, not because there was a majority here of the people
against the sheriff. We want our sheriff. We love our sheriff. We voted for him. We're going
to keep voting for him. And I'm just praying that everybody's going to find a wake up and
see what is going on with our country that they believe. They got to be afraid.
Hello, Boop,
Boop Richardson again. I'm happy to see our immigration laws finally being enforced. These laws
are introduced and passed not by President Trump, but by Congress over the last several decades.
It's the same laws that were being used by President Obama when he deported millions
of people, miraculously, without any protests.
As such, I expect our county sheriff to cooperate with federal law enforcement and the actions
they are taking to enforce federal law.
This doesn't mean I expect our sheriff to help ice capture criminals on ISIS watchlist,
but they should certainly hold them if they have them arrested for some other reason.
And they should of course handle any unrest that comes from protesters in Jackson County who violate the law, trying to stop ICE from enforcing laws passed by Congress.
Without the support you will see the chaos you now see in Minnesota.
ICE is operating without incident in most states and cities.
This is because most states and cities aren't resisting federal agents who are enforcing federal law.
If people have an issue with the immigration laws, they should lie but it changes laws not obstruct the men and women working to uphold existing laws.
Thank you.
Hello.
Uh, Cole McLean, wasn't like, uh, just to address some of the points that were brought
forward, uh, it is to say that you are not in control of what happens to people after
they are out of your custody.
Um, and I happen to think that these people are oftentimes the best of our community members.
And the allegations that have come out and the many cases of evidence incidences, where
people have been assaulted in ice detainment means that when you vote for this, you are
And then...
Mean people, to the possibility, at least, being brutalized while in ice detainment. And I can't make
you see my way when it comes to immigration enforcement. I don't think that, you know, I've
said anything tonight that would make anyone think that, for lawlessness, or that I'm paid
agitated by the Democratic Party. We have a serious problem in this country where elite interests
take precedent over what people actually want to happen. People are frustrated with their lives
and with their livelihoods. I don't think that brutalizing people like many of the cases of a
rape that have come out recently, especially, fixes any of that. And I hope that you search your
conscience. I know that I can't convince any of you to vote differently. Then what you have
probably already decided after listening to us for multiple hours.
But I'm not paid to be here.
I'm tired. I live here.
And I've got nothing else left to say.
Thank you.
Hello again, Melissa Hiller.
Some at Township.
I just felt like it needed to be pointed out.
Tonight was quite an unhinged mob rule kind of a night.
And since it was mentioned earlier that wow,
this is really great.
We get to share ideas and listen to each other.
I just wanted to point out that didn't happen, actually.
I couldn't believe I tried to come up here
and say what I wanted to say, everybody talked over me
or talked behind me through me off.
And then as I'm watching this entire room,
I thought for a second, after things get a little heated
and then calm down, I thought, oh,
we know what it's actually kind of calm right now.
Well, it was calm because it was all this side talking
for a really long time.
But the second somebody else came up with an opposing view,
they just came on glued and with their booze.
And then there was somebody who was a teacher.
Being so proud that he's looking out for these kids
and how, I mean, all of the good stuff,
they all had all the bleeding hearts and all the kind words
and they're the good side.
But then the other was a teacher who came up
and I watched him the entire time harass,
Sheriff Shuddy telling him he's a fascist pig leaning at lean and over and then he
tells somebody else how oh I've been afraid I'm afraid he's not like he's
not protecting me but they're creating this environment with their own
hostility and it's so frustrating to watch because they didn't come to listen
they only they think they're the only voices that should be heard and so yeah
it was there was a tough night I don't know how you did it I don't know how you
view all of this stuff that could not have been an easy night so I thank you for
listening. Actually, you know what? I do have a second left if I can read something real quick.
This was just a meme that I thought kind of points out to hipocracy. And it said,
oh, look, son, rioters are shoot rioters, arsonists, rapists. They're here to teach us all
about peace and my thing covered. Sorry, it was about peace and equality. So anyway, it was just,
You know, come on people, get well.
So anyway, thank you.
Sorry, I totally blew my joke,
but I say I'm before you
as a white privilege woman and I know that.
I ask, and I speak for people.
Your last name, please.
Shuman, a leg right.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I speak for others who can't come and give their name
and speak due to fear of retribution.
I also want you to know that I'm not a member of an angry mob.
I respected the people that we're speaking before us
as they should respect those who also spoke in normal, I call them names.
I did want to state that multiple jurisdictions have ended their 287G agreements.
I'm not going to name them because someone has already done that, but I will mention that there
were two on Michigan, one was in Central Iconi, due to significant public outcry,
Genesee County due to difficulty in getting officers trained. It's not something that cannot be done.
Why should these agreements have been ended? They've also been linked to other concerns for
liability, racial profiling, is one of the most common reasons that's been leading to federal
investigations and lawsuits, community opposition, strong local pushback, is encouragement
and that's the path to withdrawal or to reject new agreements.
Resource diversion, share of sometimes find the program diverts resources from their
core, public safety.
I know that ending 287G is not going to end, and it will not remove them, but I believe that
it will personally increase trust.
I also want to say I'm not asking you to be complicit with any part of what's happening
in our country.
I will also tell you that I respect our sheriff's department.
I respect the job that they do when I respect the protection that they do for this community.
I respect the job that you do and I really hope that you will take a lot of these things
and a consideration as your evening ends. Thank you.
Kurt Cole, Leonie Township.
I want to speak to you on an entirely different issue because it's obviously needed.
It's more about budgeting and it's more about who dedicated their budget towards certain things that the police officers are going to need.
Like your 800 hertz radios that are coming up.
I know that you both have portable ones.
I don't know if those ones monitor in cars.
And then I think it's important to know that obviously the state police are going to fund the state police when they need their radios.
The county should fund the county police for their radios and the same should be true for every township.
If the townships cannot afford what it takes to outfit their police officers, then they need to start thinking about possibly leaning towards the county for a quote for what it would take.
to do law enforcement in their area and possibly give up their law enforcement in their
townships if they cannot afford them. I say this is an extracity, only only township,
to where obviously we had to buy everything to outfit our police. When I was on the board,
we knew that the county was going to do the first time buying of the, I believe it was 2017,
They bought the radios from us, but we were so for us, excuse me, but we were
supposed to have an outlight plan or an out for 10 years later, and obviously
that's came to date now.
So the long short of this is townships have to be responsible for
out in the outfit in their police officers with the appropriate tools to do the job.
So if they want to outsource it to the county, counties should be happy to
on the radio's at that point when they worked for the County Escalony police officers.
So thank you and hope you guys have a great night.
Any other public comment?
Seeing none, Commissioner Collins, Commissioner Bear.
Thank you, Chairman.
I'm just going to refer to the different groups as the Democrats of the Republicans, because
that's pretty much what they were.
The Democrats seem to be not in touch with previous, with past history.
It was Bill Clinton that deported 13 million illegal aliens.
George Bush deported 10 million, Barack Obama deported 10 million.
So deporting people that came here illegally isn't anything new.
These people are just suffering from TDS, from the range from its syndrome.
It's a mental order disorder that you get as contagious depends who you hang out with.
Why do the kids not feel safe?
Well, we have teachers that are telling them they shouldn't be safe.
Our teacher here today, Jason Hill, from Jackson High, he was the only one that used vulgar
language that I noted tonight.
And he's teaching our kids, and he's a Democrat, so we know which way he's leaning.
I got some static, when people were standing all over, there were people standing behind me,
there were people standing pretty much where the camera is now.
Some lady kept looking at me, because I could listen and I could look this way.
And the Democrats were saying, they don't feel safe.
But I don't feel safe when I got people on the opposite side of the political spectrum for me.
Circling around behind me.
I don't trust people behind me.
And it's the Democrats that get violent.
That's why I didn't trust them behind me.
I could hear everything was being said.
But I was keeping an eye on them until I couldn't take it anymore and I couldn't get out of here.
So, my fears were proof correct, little later in the meeting.
Republicans don't attack Democrats when we have differences of opinion.
It's only the Democrats that physically attacked the Republicans just like that lady did, she
came stomping up here, she thought because we had different opinions, she was entitled
to take what was mine, she was entitled to being aggressive, physical, steel, my stuff,
only Democrats do that.
Ice is, no, I had my sign up here before she stole it, I love ice, yeah, we need ice.
Donald Trump campaigned on getting the illegals out, the one, the popular vote, he won
the Electoral College, he won the seven swing states, that's a mandate from the citizens
of the nation.
He said, he's going to have ice get rid of the illegals, he's just following through on a campaign promise that just shows he has integrity.
And his campaign promises mean something to him, he's following through, and I love him for that.
I support our sheriff.
I've supported him in this people and everything that I've ever asked for, I always will.
I support ICE. The people that were speaking were often very ill informed of what ICE
does. And I'm disappointed in something I'm not going on. But I'll ask, I'm going to give
my brief description. And I'll ask the sheriff to correct me if he thinks I'm wrong. Our
There if does not go out and look for Hispanics to arrest, it doesn't do that.
If somebody, me, anybody, whatever, back around they're from, if they commit a crime and
they're arrested for their crime, they're put into our jail.
If, after they're in our jail, we find out, oh, I just has a war to get so many people.
Then they call ICE and say hey we got one of your we got one of your people here of that you have a worn out for
If the guy makes bail before ICE gets here he just walks he just gets out
Never to be seen again that has happened if ICE gets here within the 48 hours. They say thank you and I take you guys
Another wear of any big cost associated with that next. I'm not aware of any cost whether whatsoever
But the fear, the supposed fear in the community, you just got the Democrats teaching their kids to hate Trump, be afraid of Trump, be afraid of ICE.
Now, the boogeyman is going to come and get you, pull you out of your school.
That's just not happening.
So, I support ICE. I support our sheriff having his, what is that?
it is having G, your agreement with ICE. I like that and I hope the sheriff continues that
and
let's see, I got some notes here,
and they feel, they say they don't feel safe because of
in my opinion, just gossip and talking and bad propaganda.
I feel unsafe when I got people coming
behind me because they proved tonight that they are the ones that get physical and think
they're entitled to assault. That was an assault.
Thanks.
Commissioner Willis. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I plan to shut up, but sorry, inside days. When I was a little boy
and I would try to justify things to my mother because somebody else was doing it. She'd always say to me,
The right is right if nobody does it and wrong is still wrong if everybody does it.
There are no just one side doing different things.
We have a division going on right now.
What important thing to remember tonight is a great peaceful protest.
That's what we should be about, period.
We have institutions in this country that won't protect themselves.
Our laws, our courts, our elections, our schools.
Media, our churches, they won't protect themselves. If we don't demand that they do what they're supposed to do.
Sir, shooting is actually a good friend of mine. Him and on the sheriff's steward. We've had
add nauseam talks about 2070. He knows how I feel about it. He knows that my problem
with it is the type of warrants that ICE uses. Administrative warrants versus judicial
warrants. And I do judicial system where judges and people that's going by those laws follow
and issue those. My other part of it we presented before was the litigation that has happened in
several cities because of violations of the fourth and fifth amendment. That doesn't affect
my relationship with sheriff's shooting. We can still talk, we can still go to lunch, because
through a people who have different things. We have to understand regardless of what happened.
When facts are blurred, abuses are minimized, when people are told not to believe what they see,
Our democracy begins to erode peaceful protests like we have tonight is the one way that citizens can come and bring the truth back to the floor
My strongest
Emphasis of the night is listen to the voices that we say that we hear listen to what your your eyes show you
When your eyes show you something's not right. I don't care who's doing it
Like my mother said, right is right if nobody does it and wrong is still wrong if everybody
does it.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Any other commissioners?
Commissioner Kennedy.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
First, I'd like to thank everybody that stayed and actually watched the county business
tonight.
Okay, because we see a real thin room now, a lot of people are here probably further five minutes
of fame and I'm, you know, can we respect the passion for it?
But did they really care about what's going on in the county?
I think it's pretty obvious.
No, they left.
Secondly, I'm going to address this to you, Mr. Chair,
into the administrator.
What happened tonight?
Approaching the bench and whether you put your hands on a commissioner,
you take personal property, it's unacceptable.
Right is right, wrong is wrong.
You're right, commissioner.
us and that's wrong. Coming on to the stage platform and encroaching on commissioners, that is wrong.
I see the chairman of the Jackson County Democratic Party out there. Some of those people
are in your committee. I reach out to you to talk about civility, civil debate.
What I saw tonight was Lady Wright here, summed it up.
One side spoke, the other side was respectful, there wasn't cheers.
Deferring opinion was made, and they had to be told to be quiet, just to let the person
have their three minutes.
You don't have to agree with everybody, but you can be respectful, we're all neighbors of each
other.
Secondly, someone personally addressed me tonight, and I will say what I called the woman,
I called her unhinged, and I will define you what I mean by unhinged.
When I walk into a building to go to a meeting and conduct business, and I'm aggressively
approached and told that my family is going to be deported,
it's unacceptable.
It's just terrible.
It's almost like a school yard bully.
And so yeah, I react and laughed.
I don't tell their sheets unhinged.
Thank you very much.
Glad you get a research that I married it a woman from a different country and I did it the legal route
A lot of people have
It's not easy
So I'll paperwork you pay fees. They get a criminal background check
They get disease checks. Okay, so when you see people cross the border and jump the line and didn't go through that process
And you had to go through that process
Well, there's some of us up here that respect our immigration laws and they're on the books for a reason.
And it is so that you can properly vet people.
Not anybody and everybody can just walk across the border and become a citizen if we don't know who that person is.
Lastly, I'd like to thank Chairman for compromising on that Accelerate Jackson lease.
I appreciate that that you were open to more than just the dollar, at least I don't believe in subsidizing the private sector.
So I appreciate the compromise that came with those three options.
And also to our shares department, thank you tonight for keeping order in the room.
I'm being professional. Thank you. Thank you all three of
you.
Any other commissioners? Commissioner Williams.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be brief.
I had the opportunity to be the keynote speaker for an event on yesterday, and one of the
things that I mentioned yesterday was a quote from the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, and
he said that in justice anywhere, as a threat to justice everywhere.
I think that when we look at the ask tonight, the voice of the evening, whether it's
four or against, I think it does present us with a question.
Now we as a, as a counting board, as it was mentioned tonight, I think one or two persons
mentioned it when this was just, when the 27 program was just an idea, there was an ask that
came forth and asked for an investigation prior to the acceptance and that motion was turned
down.
And we moved forward with the plan, but I think that as we've learned more information, as
we've seen things continue to develop, as we've seen other counties in other states, having
similar programs and them developing into other things, I think it warns us to be cautious and
be mindful of how we move forward and so much to chair if I'm in order. I would call it to
the Sheriff Department to yet again ask for an investigation of this program making sure that
we have not infringed upon any guidelines that we have not infringed upon any rules that
are associated to the 287 program. I'd even like to know the number of officers that have
been trained, the dollars are associated with that, just making sure that as we move
forward, if this is the program that the county has, that we're continuing to do this
and right and in good order.
I think our constituents deserve to know the information and I think if it helps us to bring
us closer to peace and bring us closer to a better understanding, I don't think that's
a hard ask.
And at the very end of the day, it puts all the information on the front street and it shows the community what it is, what it is not.
And it also shows the border of it, if you will, and the controls, I think, is a better word.
The controls of what the two A7 program is, Mr. Chair.
That completes Commissioner comments.
We have no closed session, entertain a motion to adjourn.
If a motion in support, all in favor, please say aye.
It was a pose.