1 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:23,560 Good afternoon. >> Good afternoon. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:27,000 » All right. I think we go ahead and get started. 3 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,160 Uh through here the August meeting minutes. 4 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,360 » I'll make a motion to accept them. >> I'll second that. 5 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,960 » Uh any discussion or do you want a moment to review? 6 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,800 You weren't here then. >> Uh no, I did I did read them. Am I 7 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,040 allowed to vote on this if I'm not there? 8 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,760 I can, right? >> I smart would abstain. 9 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,160 » Yeah. >> I'd like you to abstain. 10 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,360 » Okay. >> Okay. 11 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Uh any other discussion? 12 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,800 » I'm good. >> Okay. All those in favor? 13 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:11,480 » I. >> Uh 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,120 Mike, you're going to abstain. >> I'll yes, politely abstain. 15 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,240 » Uh I'm telling you rather. 16 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:27,320 Mike, you will abstain. Uh Prospect 17 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:37,440 Farm, I spoke with Rick Davis uh yesterday morning and he will be up 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,160 there at the end of the month. >> End of September? 19 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,040 » Yep. Um 20 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,800 and kind of just doing the similar thing. Um I don't know 21 00:01:46,766 --> 00:01:51,680 » [snorts] >> I have not heard if 22 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,560 » Michael? >> Yeah, if Michael is going to be out 23 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,640 there before or something. >> I'll talk to Michael 24 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,240 tomorrow. >> Okay. 25 00:02:00,521 --> 00:02:03,040 » [clears throat] >> He called me today. 26 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,000 » Does he have stuff that he's already cut? 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:10,800 Or trim that needs to be moved before Rick gets up there? 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:15,360 » There is I I haven't There was. Some of it got moved. I haven't seen the 29 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,160 extent of it, but I think that he was in the game 30 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:22,480 either when Rick was up there with um the equipment, it would be easier just 31 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,080 to load it on the equipment and pull it out. 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,400 » I would agree. >> Yeah, I'll talk with Michael tomorrow. 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,760 He called me today. I was just going >> And some of it he may not be able to mow 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 it that close to the tree anyway. >> Right. 35 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:37,800 And And wasn't it last year that 36 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,120 someone did groundwork, hand work? >> Yeah, Rick did. 37 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,959 » Okay. >> Yeah. 38 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,200 » I don't know if he said that out loud. >> He did. 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,680 They did it. Last year 40 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,200 in particular, it seemed like they did an excellent job. 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,040 » Yeah, I I made sure I >> Yeah. 42 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:54,720 » told him how much we appreciate it. >> Yeah, it was excellent. 43 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:58,360 They really set the precedent like for Michael to go and see him go up there 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,360 and see that. 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,519 I can mow with this. 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,239 » Okay. 47 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,600 Um 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,720 Other than that, I don't have anything. 49 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,920 On prospect is >> I'll touch bases with Ian, who's the new 50 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:28,040 ED, just to make sure that he and Silas know that they're responsible to mow. 51 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,120 Yeah, but feel then to check the water bars coming down from Hall's Ledge. 52 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,000 » Okay. Yeah, that was my only other >> Yeah. 53 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,600 » question. And I'm a little delinquent, but uh 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,600 one of the volunteers wants to get some signs out for the old 55 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:46,480 um cellar holes that are on trip. I needed just find some time to 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,640 do the background so that we have the right information to put on those signs 57 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,360 to put up there. >> There used to be 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,280 little plaques. >> Yeah. 59 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,800 » I don't find >> There's There's one at the orchard, but 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,240 I don't think there's any plaques left on the sites [clears throat] there. 61 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,120 » Well, there actually there should be a a write-up. 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560 » Yeah. >> There's already like a 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,800 » I just need to look at it. >> With a spreadsheet and write up all the 64 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,600 the like the jazz we pulled together for each of the different locations and then 65 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,560 we voted on how we were going to 66 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,519 do the wording. >> Do they want to put them like on the 67 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,440 higher ones as well? Like the one that's there up by 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,960 Hub's Loop or just like the lower ones? The orchard 69 00:04:23,919 --> 00:04:29,919 » All All of them. The only one that they really don't have 70 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,600 any that I've seen any history on is you know where the orchard trail is of 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,760 course the other way is the forest service. 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,680 » Mhm. >> There's a cellar hole off 73 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:42,720 on that access road to the log landing. I don't think anybody's ever determined 74 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:47,720 what that's what what the history of that site is. 75 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,720 » What site was that? >> When you go out on the what we call the 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,880 spur >> Harter Spur 77 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:58,240 » Yeah. I wonder if Dexter Harding 78 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:02,520 did that interpretive trail with students like years and years ago. I 79 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,840 wonder if that was part of it. >> Maybe he didn't go that high. 80 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,160 » I don't think he I don't think we went that 81 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:16,080 far cuz I did a a number of walks with Dexter, Lucy and others. 82 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,080 And um 83 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:26,640 we did the full boundary of Prospect. And bushwhacked down 84 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,480 to um Fallen Leaf Road. 85 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,840 And I just I can't I can't pull up the 86 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,440 » I think if you look at the forest management plan, it has that one as 87 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,280 unknown. >> Mhm. Okay. 88 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,600 » I I'd have to go back and look, but that's my recollection. 89 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,240 » That's fun. That's good. 90 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,400 » I think the other five are are tagged as new. 91 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,400 » Yeah. 92 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,400 » And I There's a little bit of that history now as preface for this book as 93 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,400 well. 94 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,960 » I was trying to see where you had 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,560 I'll look on the Google Drive >> Yeah, I 96 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:08,120 » There might have been a folder. >> I I think you're right. I just haven't 97 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,120 had time to go back and look. 98 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,240 » How do you access that? >> I can send 99 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,480 » I'll send >> you can If you can resend that. 100 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,480 » I will share it. 101 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,440 » That's about as far as I get. >> Okay. 102 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,320 » Okay. Anything else for Prospect Farm? 103 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Okay. Jackson Falls, I met with the select 104 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:49,320 board at their last meeting and presented 105 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:54,360 the uh 106 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:58,600 drawing uh plan drawings and the uh cost estimate. 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Um They said it looked 108 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:07,200 interesting and might support having a public 109 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:11,960 meeting for to to discuss it and also we discussed sort of the funding of it and 110 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,120 um I think they were leaning towards the 111 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Conservation Commission trying to find 112 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:22,160 some of that out of funds that we have 113 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:25,480 available to us and I think that can be part of our 114 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:30,240 discussion public meeting or if you want to uh 115 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,240 discuss that now. I 116 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,280 There is the I mean we have funds in the in the money market account 117 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,800 which I think would be more appropriate than using the land use 118 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,240 » Yeah. >> change. I would agree with you. 119 00:07:42,919 --> 00:07:47,880 » Mhm. Um 120 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,240 » Do you know how much residual we have in the wildcat fund? 121 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,680 Because that one, if I recall correctly, we had to still maintain the the 122 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,120 principal like the 12K. >> Yeah, it's 123 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,800 I I I think we've done a good job of spending most of our 124 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:10,880 balance every year, so but I can check on that. 125 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,400 » Is there a I mean, I know it was a quote based on 126 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,520 what we asked for, so it's probably what it costs, but 127 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,240 for the sake of conversation, is there something in between? 128 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:26,520 I don't know. Was it 86,000? >> It was 86. 129 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,520 » I'm just wondering like if is there 130 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,760 discussion that we could have that's like, well 131 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,760 » Well, I could be only less stable. >> You know, I mean, I could be getting a 132 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:42,320 truly about stabilizing the thing cuz 86,000 for 133 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,839 what if that doesn't engage at all and they're just like, 134 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,560 what? And then I'm like, well, there's just other things that 135 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,280 I mean I don't know. I'm just throwing it out 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,600 there. >> Um 137 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:01,040 Yeah, I think part of that could be if it were to be opened up 138 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:05,200 for a bid a bid process. So, if we were to request bids and use this as our 139 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:08,600 » Mhm. >> as the plan sort of our baseline and see 140 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:13,120 if other people would feel comfortable doing that work or if there's 141 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,839 other options. >> Yeah, I was afraid we were going to get 142 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,680 asked that question like someone like just like, well 143 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:23,120 didn't you >> It's enough money, I think, that the bid 144 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:26,520 process would kick in. 145 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:32,480 The other [clears throat] thing is for the public meeting 146 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:35,839 have as much of the money answered as you can. Where 147 00:09:35,751 --> 00:09:39,520 » [clears throat] >> Excuse me. Where would come from? How 148 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:44,680 much? Just so those are the questions that 149 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:49,520 people are really being they're interested in having good, solid 150 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,840 answers. >> Do we think the head of water resources 151 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,920 ideology would be willing to come? >> Yes, I think he would. 152 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:01,480 » Yeah, so I I asked him if he was available to come. I think if we 153 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:06,120 schedule the public meeting to occur with our next meeting in 154 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,280 October, he's available for that. >> Awesome. 155 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:13,680 » Um so I I guess if we just want to say 156 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:16,840 schedule the public meeting at 7:00 or 6:30 and 157 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:22,720 » I would suggest that we schedule it maybe on a night that we 158 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,480 have our conservation commission meeting. 159 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,880 » Yeah. Yeah, so next October 5th. >> Yeah. 160 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,120 » Uh and and Sean is available that night, so 161 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,240 » Let's go with it. >> Okay. I just checked my schedule. 162 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,120 Um >> I think if we put it out for bid that uh 163 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,760 we we should we should be clear that we're looking for somebody with 164 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:49,760 experience because you can get anybody that can bid to go on and do the job. 165 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Of which 166 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,680 I mean, this is the one that was recommended to us. I did do a background 167 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 check. >> Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't have a 168 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,800 problem with it. I think people are just cynical and 169 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,000 you know, somebody just doesn't like the idea and that's the first thing they 170 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,920 throw at you. >> And I don't think there's 171 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:12,160 a fast track here for because it's enough money that I think people 172 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:14,520 would like to know. I think we can pick our contractors. 173 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,680 » Yeah. >> Who we want to 174 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,680 consult with. 175 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:26,480 » To uh Dick's point, should we try and figure out the 176 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:31,800 partitioning of the money tonight or can we do that by email between now and 177 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,920 next month? >> Uh I think we can have a 178 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,200 discussion now and >> Yeah. 179 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,400 » Uh I don't have 180 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:48,320 uh a current balance for the money market 181 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,320 account, but the last time I talked 182 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,880 uh to Julie, there was probably enough to cover the full amount. 183 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,480 But, I don't know if that include if that was 184 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:03,680 uh I don't know how those funds were 185 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,680 separated and if that included land use 186 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:10,280 or if that's in a separate account. >> Mhm. 187 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:15,880 » And all those So, uh I can I can verify that with with Julie. 188 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:20,440 And Bob uh Bob Thompson said I mean, we don't need to 189 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:25,880 Well, I guess that's the question is do we ask do we want to ask the town 190 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:30,360 to help pay for this or do we believe in it enough that it 191 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:34,560 it needs to be done and we don't just spend that 192 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,560 money. 193 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,280 » Or I don't think we should just spend the money 194 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:43,120 » I don't think we should just spend the money without consulting the town, but I 195 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:49,280 think that in the presentation to the town, we say, "Look, 196 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:52,760 we've got the funds or we've got, you know, 197 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:57,040 a large chunk of the funds. We think it's important work 198 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:01,560 and we would just like the, you know, the town to give the go-ahead 199 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,320 for the interest to whoever shows up at the meeting, interested parties, 200 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:11,249 uh to say, "Yes, we want to do this." 201 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,240 » Yeah, I guess >> [clears throat] 202 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:19,000 » I thought about the money and did it that 203 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:23,080 much, but maybe with that should we discuss the things that we 204 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,080 feel like 205 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:30,680 that money could be better spent on or items that 206 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:34,280 we feel like the residents or 207 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:39,480 the town would be less willing to help us 208 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480 do. 209 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:45,200 You know, with our with money. Like if if we can get the town behind 210 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,840 something like this, it would be great to not take the money that 211 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:52,280 we have to do it. >> But I I think going back to Dick's 212 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,680 point, I think Dick is right. We're going in to make a 213 00:13:54,760 --> 00:14:00,960 a proposal as to how we think it should be done. After we get input, we might 214 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:05,080 change what we did, but that's the function of the town meeting. 215 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:10,520 And my recommendation would be to go in and say that, you know, the estimated 216 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,040 cost is, you know, roughly 80,000, whatever it was, 217 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:18,200 um, you know, with inflation, it may be as high as 90,000. 218 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:22,080 Conservation Commission will put in half of it. We're retaining the other half 219 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,640 because we do have other needs that will come, including potentially more work at 220 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,680 the falls. And we need some input from the town. 221 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:34,920 And so we because then it would become a vote of the town at the March meeting. 222 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,240 So we're asking the town to come up with 45,000. 223 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:44,200 » Right. Yeah, I like that idea. >> That's I I think, uh, 224 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,000 diplomatically, that's the way to Mhm. approach it. 225 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,000 » Yeah, I just didn't want to have it be like, 226 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:53,080 we have 86,000. Like who's going to vote and go like, yeah, you know what, I'll 227 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:57,560 give 10 bucks. Like there's >> That's not the end-all, be-all for the 228 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,800 Jackson Falls. >> No, but I guess, you know, my point 229 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:05,720 would be is this how our money that we have in our accounts is supposed 230 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:09,440 to be spent, it should be spent. As soon as we start doing it, we kind of 231 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:13,880 set a precedent on anything that happens related to anything like that. Like, oh, 232 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,320 Conservation Committee has money, they pay for that. I'm just I'm not saying 233 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:21,000 that's right or wrong. I'm simply saying, 234 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,560 is that how our money, and the way that we get money, is that 235 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,720 the best way to >> The only place that 236 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,120 » take our money out, how do you get it back? 237 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:33,760 » Uh the only place where I think that makes a difference would be if we need 238 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:38,120 to also tap into current use fund. In which case the RSA is specific about 239 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 what that money can be used for or not be used for. 240 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,920 » Mhm. >> And that's 241 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:46,760 we can't change that. >> And the RSA says we cannot 242 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:50,320 » I believe it says we can, but I I'd want to go back and read it again as to just 243 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:55,680 simply tell you what I think. But my my take is because it's on town 244 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:58,560 property a conservation project, but we should check that. 245 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Because if we're making an offer to cover something for which we don't have 246 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:11,240 the full funds in the money market, then we can't take it from that, then we we'd 247 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:15,400 essentially be in a bind. So we can look up the RSA. 248 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:22,560 » And we have a town driver right here today. 249 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:27,800 If she would like to have input in this discussion. 250 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:32,000 » What? Into Jackson Falls? No. 251 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,800 » Um Did you hear the question? 252 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,839 » Well, we have the public here. >> Did she hear the question? Rephrase the 253 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,839 question. 254 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,600 » I'm listening. >> I hear 255 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:53,880 No, we're just wondering how the public will react to 256 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:58,000 uh the idea of spending, you know, $90,000 257 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:03,560 uh for bank stabilization 258 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:08,199 at Jackson Falls. >> I would 259 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:12,160 love to have an opinion and know about it and understand it. Knowledge will 260 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,400 speak. >> That's a serious thing. 261 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:21,520 » From like Yeah. >> Well, we're projecting to have uh an 262 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:24,360 October meeting on the subject. 263 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,720 » Penny, the the challenge is 264 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:31,440 the town did a little bit of work years ago 265 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:34,120 in moving some of the boulders, but we're getting the erosion. When they 266 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,760 redid the bridge, >> Yeah. 267 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,000 » it's probably going to increase the erosion a little bit more because the 268 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,880 piers, I mean, the the abutments that go out are going out 269 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:46,680 further. They couldn't follow it. But it is If you've been down there, 270 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:50,680 it's chewing away, and it will cut through where all the trails are. So 271 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,720 there's a need to hire a professional that comes in and And we've had a plan 272 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,520 already developed by a hydrogeomorphologist 273 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,680 » Yeah. >> to essentially restructure what was done 274 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,360 before, but probably done better because before it was the town just came in and 275 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,960 moved it. >> Right. 276 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,960 » And, you know, they they did a decent job, but that's not what they're 277 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:14,560 professionals. So the estimated cost, we already have 278 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:18,560 it from somebody who does this kind of work. It's 80-some-odd thousand dollars 279 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:23,080 to go in and sort of restructure to help prevent 280 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:27,200 further erosion. That's That's basically what's what's at stake. 281 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,280 » And give my people the opportunity to learn and understand. 282 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:34,360 » Yeah. >> And get behind the project is 283 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:40,720 » Which is the part you need >> I guess my only other 284 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:46,640 funding source because this may be something that there would be 285 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:52,200 grant funding that seek out, but I don't want to make 286 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:56,480 making a decision contingent on finding finding grant money. And then that would 287 00:18:54,280 --> 00:19:00,440 What portion of the budget would that offset? Like our commitment would be 288 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:05,920 half whatever balance remaining covered by 289 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:12,840 grant money and the town. Does that seem like a logical 290 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,440 » That would be a good structure there. It 291 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:18,720 » would be. If we could find that money. 292 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:23,720 » Well, and that's kind of when we when when when Emily and I were going through 293 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:28,840 the FEMA process, this would be the kind of project that they would have given 294 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,400 funds for. 2 years ago. 295 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:36,040 But >> And we can pursue that, but I think what 296 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:39,640 you need is still for the town to vote because 297 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:43,400 you you I mean essentially you've got a pool right now. 298 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:48,040 All we need is one more big storm and stuff is really going to be damaged. So, 299 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,920 if you're just sort of chasing potential that you have no idea where 300 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,520 the potential is. If the damage is greater than the cost 301 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,280 to repair is going to be a lot higher than what we're looking at currently 302 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,360 right now. Um normally under scenario like that is 303 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,560 the town will vote it in if we get the grants, then the town doesn't need to 304 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,440 spend it. >> Right. 305 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:11,040 » But to get people's hopes up and have no idea even what grants you can chase. 306 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,480 » Right. >> Chasing at this point is a little bit of 307 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,400 pie in the sky. >> Right. Well, and I I think presenting 308 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:21,000 [clears throat] it as a we would like to have this work done next fall. 309 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,000 » Yeah. 310 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,360 And there's urgency to it. 311 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,360 » Okay. 312 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:35,800 Um I don't know if we if I missed this, but did [clears throat] they ever do the 313 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,200 I just hate that I have this question be asked and us not be able to answer it 314 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:43,320 because we use it as a reason for rational behind why the 315 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,520 erosion's going to get worse. Did they ever 316 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,320 show the engineering of the modeling of the change in the 317 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:55,040 wall? Like I still can't believe that 318 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,960 all this stuff happens and we don't know what that looks like. 319 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,920 Like how how do you design something around this situation? 320 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:07,400 » damage is already been done before they even did the bridge replacement from the 321 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,880 last two major flood events. So, you know the potential for that to 322 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:15,760 happen without even the bridge replacement. So, it's an interesting 323 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:19,600 question, but it's it may increase that potential, but we 324 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,640 know we're not talking about potential. We know what's happening when we get 325 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,240 major events. >> And I think where the 326 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,360 work is occurring is further down 327 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,760 » Yeah. >> the the river. So, it 328 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,600 we're not going directly impacting that particular thing. 329 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,160 » Mhm. >> No, it's just something something that 330 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:44,280 we've used as a like a catchphrase to say that why we 331 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:47,760 have to be aware of it. It's just like it comes up all the time with the change 332 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,680 of the channel and all this thing. I'm just asking. 333 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,240 If someone was asking us again like that the person in the room that says 334 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,360 » Mhm. >> Well, did you What's the Is that 335 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,880 happening? Is this really going to happen? What's the extent? What did the 336 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,720 town do? Did you guys research it? How did they get away with doing it without 337 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:06,480 it being researched? Has it been Do we understand? 338 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,600 » I think you got some pretty simple answers there because the big rocks that 339 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:14,320 were moved out there before they moved, you're seeing the erosion channel that's 340 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,280 already cutting through where the bench is out there. 341 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,920 You know, it's it's not hypothetical. You can go down and take a look as to 342 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,160 what's happening. >> No, I'm not saying that. I I know that's 343 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,600 not hypothetical. >> And that happened before the bridge 344 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,320 replacement. >> Yeah. 345 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,600 I guess I would just be careful using the change of the bridge 346 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,120 in the conversation if we don't know that that's 347 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,680 » I would avoid that 348 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:47,200 aspect and just say we're dealing with what's happening. 349 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,760 » Right. I mean, I'm not saying it to be argumentative as much as the person in 350 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:56,840 the room who would find the thing to push the button. 351 00:22:51,880 --> 00:23:00,400 » Cause it's it's nature nature happening. >> But, I I think we have to be feel 352 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,160 comfortable answering the question. We don't know 353 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:12,120 if this will solve any problem that a 200-year storm or something will 354 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,600 just overtop. 355 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:18,760 » Yeah. Probably most likely slow down the damage that the 200-year storm 356 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,040 Yeah. >> Right. I 357 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,400 » Yeah. Best case scenario. >> I mean 358 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:30,400 And and I guess that could be a question we ask Shawn is that 359 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:34,920 you know, what what level of storm protection is this 360 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 up to? 361 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,320 I But I'm I'm certain he's not going to guarantee 362 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,560 » Yeah. >> I don't think he could either. 363 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:44,800 » How could anybody expect that? I mean, Madison got what? 364 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,240 7 in in >> Yeah. 365 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,280 » an hour or something crazy in some areas. 366 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,800 » Yeah. So then it just 367 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,640 » Other areas got four. >> And it just becomes a decision by the 368 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:58,120 town, by the people of the town, like is it worth putting this money in and they 369 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,840 have to decide is it worth it not knowing like how much do you value 370 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760 » the vaults. Exactly. >> And 371 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,040 and that should be >> the discussion. 372 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:11,200 » is okay, we this chunk of money 373 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,880 is it worth it to What are we going to save? 374 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,360 » Yeah. >> Well, the town made a decision a long 375 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:20,680 time ago because there was a proposed hydro plant there. Which is why it got 376 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,840 put into the wild and scenic. So the town obviously valued 377 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,240 the Jackson Falls or wouldn't have gone through that whole effort. 378 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:38,760 » It's what Yes, I I Yeah. 379 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:43,680 The town is interested in Jackson Falls. >> Do you think that we should invite 380 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:50,080 DOT to the discussion because >> Well, this money that we're 381 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,080 proposing to spend 382 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,840 what percentage is, you know, is it going to 383 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:04,240 save 75% of the erosion? is it going to save 50%? 384 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:08,320 Is it going to save 90%? Uh is it going to be a washout 385 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,640 in a another 386 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,320 major flood year? >> I guess you could say the other one if 387 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,040 you spend $115,000, 388 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,000 does that get you to the next level where you feel like he's like that would 389 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,560 stop >> everything. 390 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,160 » You know, I mean >> The one The one thing is pretty clear 391 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:32,400 that it will happen because you can see where it is. Just the trail comes down 392 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:37,400 and it's really close all the way down. Uh if you want to protect your trail, it 393 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:41,360 gives people access from the upper part to the lower part of the the falls in 394 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,960 the upper part of the falls there. Um 395 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,720 you have to do something with that right bearing buffer. 396 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:55,400 If you're willing to give up a trail that connects those pieces, then 397 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:59,240 But other nature do what it's doing and if it wants to go toward the road so be 398 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240 it. 399 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,360 » I wonder at what point would DOT actually get involved where they're like 400 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:10,200 » I think DOT gets involved on a different issue and that is is we Once we finalize 401 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:14,160 some of this, we put together the final proposed Jackson Falls Management Plan, 402 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:19,640 cuz DOT is probably going to be necessary relative to the parking 403 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,760 because that part of Route 16 B is actually state road. It is not town 404 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,160 road. >> No, I guess you My point is let's just 405 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:31,360 say that like if we did nothing 406 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:35,360 and it takes out the the trail and then after the trail 407 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:39,040 it keeps coming. At what point would DOT say, "Okay, that's 408 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,120 too far. We need to stabilize this." 409 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,280 » It's a theoretical question. I don't know how we could answer that. 410 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,360 » Well, that's what I'm saying. Should DOT be involved? It's like well maybe DOT 411 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,360 should be involved because the conversation is about 412 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,600 » Well, the state of the state >> comes the road. 413 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,800 » But But right, the state will be involved anyways because there's a 414 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,120 required permitting because what I mean >> involved in a like actual 415 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,680 meeting >> We just chunk the money cuz 416 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,520 » That's right. >> Yeah, that's correct. 417 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,800 » They can stop, you know, we can put the band-aid on now or we could not put the 418 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,800 band-aid on, but if no one does anything and it goes after the road, DOT's 419 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,360 definitely going to do something. They're going to put a band-aid on it. 420 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,520 What I'm saying is, do we say, "Hey, we want to do the band-aid?" 421 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,160 » Yeah. >> You there like 422 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:28,160 » But I But I I think we're looking at if there's erosion at that level, the 423 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,520 DOT needs to come in. We're We're talking about something that's totally 424 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520 different. 425 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:39,000 Cuz that's gas funds. >> Beyond the right of way 426 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:42,040 I think they'd be Mhm, it's not ours. 427 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,840 » Mhm, it's not town property, right? >> Yeah, no, I I get that. 428 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:51,280 But I I guess that would be Is it wise to spend money if 429 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,680 we don't solve the problem and then it becomes DOT's problem? 430 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,800 And we have now those funds have been wasted rather than 431 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,360 waiting for the inevitable catastrophe where someone else has to step in and do 432 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,360 something. >> it like really right or I mean I'm just 433 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,200 just just >> Yeah, or they just or they just throw a 434 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,080 bunch of crushed rock down there and and the path is gone. 435 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,120 » Yeah. >> Cuz that'll take care of the road, they 436 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,480 don't care about the path. >> True. 437 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:25,320 » We know that the path is a true risk. The road is hypothetical risk. 438 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,400 » Yes. >> Then we can hypothesize 439 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,080 total disasters where it takes the road and the houses. 440 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,880 Um I I think we're 441 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:41,920 going a little bit far here right now in getting too concerned about the 0.01% 442 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,520 issue in front of us as opposed >> That could be a hundred years down the 443 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160 » Yeah, cool. >> Yeah. 444 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,480 » Really? For >> All right, yeah, or I mean you could 445 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,480 just set the road back. 446 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Or that we may get enough salt in there from something that is still building 447 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,920 up. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. You just don't 448 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,920 know. I'm just throwing it out there. 449 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,600 » Well, I guess we 450 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:14,040 feel good. We can schedule a public meeting. We can have We can ask these 451 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,040 questions to to Shawn. 452 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,800 » I I We got to go back to Mike's question. 453 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:24,240 » Yeah. >> Which is did we agree on how we would 454 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:29,760 propose the funding? >> Well, I think Ben's going to 455 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:35,720 look into what we have available. I mean, you could email it to us 456 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:39,800 uh if you wanted to take a shortcut before the next meeting 457 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,600 so that we would have you know, 458 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,080 good information in front of us for that. 459 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:50,120 » But, I don't think an email vote is legit. 460 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,440 » I I just think to get the balances. >> Okay. 461 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,560 But, if we're going to vote on what we're proposing here today per Mike's 462 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,760 question, we have to vote in public. We can't vote 463 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,640 via email. >> No, no. I wouldn't 464 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,040 Just to get information before we vote. 465 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:12,440 » Your concern is that we have to have how we're paying for the say, if we pay for 466 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,000 half up front, we have to agree that we're we're 467 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,840 reporting that from before our October meeting 468 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,280 so that >> I I'll make a motion as follows, 469 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,240 that um we will propose that the Conservation 470 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:31,080 Commission will um put in 45,000 471 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:35,000 for the project. And the remainder 472 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,360 would be a request from the town to put in up to 45,000 473 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,440 because they will need to vote on it as an article. 474 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:48,040 And the Conservation Commission will pursue to determine whether there's any 475 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:52,040 grant funding to reduce the cost of both the Conservation Commission and the 476 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:55,000 town. We will pursue. 477 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:02,240 » Can I ask a question on that? What if the town says no? 478 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:06,320 Could it come up with the other? >> And decide We have to decide what we're 479 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,160 going to do at that point. >> If you cuz you didn't say up to us, 480 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,960 right? You said 45, so it could be 481 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,760 » Okay, 45. >> Yeah. 482 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:20,960 » And if when we take a look at the funds we 483 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:25,320 can't, we don't have sufficient, we can't do it. You'll still be meeting, 484 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,800 but we're going to run into a problem here because we have to tell the public 485 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,360 what it is and post what it is 486 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,680 before that meeting so that they can see it in advance. 487 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,360 » Right, in fact, they need to know the amount that isn't covered. 488 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:42,240 » Correct. And my my my So, I put that motion out. I'll need a 489 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,400 second, then I'll come back and try to remedy that problem. 490 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:54,120 » So, the proposal is the Conservation Commission pay 45,000, remainder to be 491 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,760 paid by town via warrant article. >> Well, we'll have to say up to because 492 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,240 the town will not vote on an open-ended number. 493 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,840 » Up to >> I'd be flabbergasted if it did. 494 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:19,080 » And we think we have 45 in the money market that we can spend. 495 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:22,760 » Well, if it turns out that we do not, we will know before, and then we would 496 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:27,360 actually take a look at holding the public meeting in November so that we 497 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,560 can come back and do it properly. >> Okay. 498 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,960 » So I made the motion. 499 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,960 I'll second that. 500 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,200 » Okay. >> So 501 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,560 This is just saying that we'll come up with 45,000 up to 45,000 dollars to 502 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:07,120 cover it. >> And we're asking the town for the up up 503 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:11,800 to another We're asking for 45,000 from the town expecting the cost to be 504 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,600 approximately 90,000. And that has a little bit of built-in 505 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,760 cost overrun which many construction projects do. We have a bid just not 506 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,920 unusual in a bid you could have a cost overrun. 507 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,560 » Mhm. >> Yeah, there is a a contingency around 508 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,880 that. >> 15% 509 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,160 » And I think Brian, to your your question about what if the town says no, I think 510 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,800 that probably tells us something. >> Right. 511 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,000 » Yeah, if people are like we don't want to spend 40,000 dollars to save this 512 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,560 trail. Yeah, I think that's >> I just didn't My concern was that we had 513 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 committed ourselves to the full >> Got you. 514 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,280 » by saying like well, they didn't come up with [clears throat] it, so we are. I 515 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,320 just >> Got you. 516 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360 » That's normal. >> Well, I think that's after we 517 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,760 » Yeah. >> before we had a 518 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,480 you know, a hearing 519 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,360 would uh give us direction of whether to 520 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,080 say hey. >> Because because what what you have Brian 521 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,760 in front of you is if you go and tell the town well, if you vote no, we'll 522 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,960 fund the rest of it, but then you burn up the rest of your money for which you 523 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,120 probably need for other projects there. >> Mhm. 524 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,800 » Uh then [snorts] you have no money at all. 525 00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:12,480 » Mhm. >> And they will vote for that. I mean, 526 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,639 that's what everybody would vote for is let them pay for the whole thing. 527 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,040 » Exactly. Yeah. >> And then that puts us in a bind because 528 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,919 we're expected to manage up here, but we have no funds to manage. 529 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,560 » Right. >> We we don't want to do that. 530 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,360 I wouldn't >> I wouldn't either. 531 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,480 » Okay. Any other discussions or 532 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,120 Ready to vote? Okay. All in favor? 533 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,399 » I. >> I. 534 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,399 » Opposed? 535 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,760 » Okay. 536 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,480 » It's a lot of money. Everything costs lots of money. 537 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,080 » For construction projects, I don't think that's out of line. 538 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,000 » Oh, no, no, no. I don't either. No, I don't Yeah, I don't either. 539 00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:00,880 » And I did check with Yeah. Folks as I as I mentioned before because 540 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,120 I I was the chair of the committee with 541 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,400 them in the negotiation. I've seen a number of these funds and I've seen what 542 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,400 the the cost are for these kinds of things. This is 543 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360 You know, you you're hiring a specialist. 544 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,600 » Right. >> Okay. 545 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,080 » Um And he's a one He's a small operation. 546 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,720 more information >> a big firm 547 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:25,320 or someone to quote off of. 548 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:29,400 » How do they get that information? >> They have two other people I think like 549 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,840 what the state has just just crossed my mind. I'm like 550 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,480 Let's ask them. But 551 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,320 obviously have to be after the fact. 552 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,760 » And we don't have to cross that bridge. >> I just didn't read I haven't seen 553 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:47,760 anything that I would be like, "Oh, 554 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,760 that's what you'd be working on." 555 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:54,320 » Um Yeah, I'll I'll research that. 556 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,280 Okay. 557 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,840 Any >> But I would also point out when we go to 558 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,800 the town is not only that we're paying at 45 but 559 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:11,240 we've already spent and paid for the engineering. It's not like we're out of 560 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,000 the blue. We've already spent 18, 19,000 on the engineering. 561 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:23,960 » That's part of the presentation. >> Yeah, I'd just like to look at that. 562 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,960 the engineering everything 563 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,480 » Okay. Um 564 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,360 moving on. Grazing? 565 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,240 Anything? >> Uh 566 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:48,400 only that I met with the new executive director at 567 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,000 ski touring and was going to bring up the cuts then with him, but we had a 568 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:56,920 really long meeting about other things, so I'm planning to follow up about the 569 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,880 future sheds with him. >> He will struggle because 570 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,560 with with the time for this fall. I can tell you that right 571 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,520 now. >> Yeah, I didn't Yeah, I got that 572 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,000 impression. >> Working with the forest service and 573 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:13,280 getting the bridges qualified and through is has been a nightmare with 574 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,120 the forest service. >> The town's done a great job keeping it 575 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,320 accessible >> Yeah. 576 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,400 » to all the areas that they're mowing. It just 577 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,600 seems like they really I remember he was talking about poison 578 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,640 ivy and >> Yeah, I was back there the other day and 579 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,920 it seemed like poison ivy is I don't know. Like 580 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,720 » And then they've been really on top of the mowing. It's I know a handful of 581 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,360 people guests, just random people who've said they've been out on the mystery 582 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,520 house loop like I didn't believe it. I was like, "Really?" 583 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:43,040 » And Nessel Nok is really signed >> Oh, yeah. 584 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:48,040 » a lot of that. Yeah, it's a combination of the Jackson snowshoe trails. 585 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,880 » Yeah, they really have. They've been They've had horses on on trails out 586 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440 there. >> I Yeah, horses on them. 587 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080 » I walk it frequently. >> 20 years now. 588 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,680 » It's a neat trail system, actually. >> It is. 589 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,400 Community garden? >> Well, irrigation still isn't 590 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600 functioning. >> Okay. 591 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:16,160 Since the >> Since well, they cut the lines when they 592 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,880 set the tank out there. But we had a hose and a wrench. 593 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:25,800 But what's happened is I think the one of the valves must be gone in the in the 594 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,240 timer. And the box that's buried. So, I think 595 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:35,000 we're going to need a new timer for the hose, hook it up, 596 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,680 and then maybe and still use the hose above ground, but the town guys have 597 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,720 gotten in the habit now of like the hose up 598 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,840 up to the library, so I can bring it back. 599 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:48,600 Yeah, so I've got to call the gym. And um 600 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,120 I guess we'll send it to the gym. Um 601 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,600 the loading. >> Jim, I know. 602 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,760 » Yeah. Cuz it's been 603 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,160 I've been asking for a couple of years now. 604 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,200 » Yeah, I mean seems kind of weird that >> I know. 605 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:05,040 I think I need to get a new I think I need to stop by. 606 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,600 » You could just go to the swap. >> Yeah. 607 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,240 » You just say what you had before and >> All right. 608 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,960 » what was taken away and >> I can do that. 609 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,640 » I mean >> Yeah. 610 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,560 » They got a fire station out of it. >> Yeah. 611 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,440 » You could get >> It was so funny they 612 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,000 » your water line back. >> in two places. Apparently, they replaced 613 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,120 the line, but nobody hooks it up. So, we're kind 614 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,760 of like I can't even do what you try to stop me from doing. 615 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,640 I think it's going to have to be cut. I'm not sure. 616 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,760 » Yeah, I mean it seems like >> Yeah. 617 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,000 » I don't know what that is. >> At least we've been having water this 618 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,760 year, so it hasn't been past credit. The library was good because they let us use 619 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,520 their timer. >> Mhm. 620 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,640 » So, then at least we you know, we made it needed so we could use the timer and 621 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:48,120 put the hose out, which came in handy cuz we had water in 622 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120 the garden for the spring. 623 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,880 Yeah. >> Okay. 624 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,080 » natural water >> Okay. 625 00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:00,960 Um Wildcat River, so our last month of 626 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:06,840 river monitoring is well all happening in September and then 627 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:11,440 the data will be submitted to the state and they release their report later in 628 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:15,440 the fall. That that will come their final report 629 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,480 will come out I think 630 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,520 usually in December. I think that's when it came out last year. 631 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:29,200 And then we've received a letter 632 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:33,280 to the commission. It was submitted to the town. 633 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,280 Is that what you're here to discuss? 634 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,280 I also received a letter from >> even know if if it was on the agenda or 635 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,360 not. I just wanted >> We read it. 636 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,040 » Is this the the annual one? >> No, there's there's one from Anne 637 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,880 » Garland. >> And then 638 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,640 I also received the letter you had sent. So 639 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,480 if you'd like to have that included in the our meeting minutes. 640 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,840 » Sure. Sure. 641 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:01,800 And the letter can be shared, of course. I know the select board has it on their 642 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,480 agenda for the 15th. >> Okay. 643 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:08,640 » And they're hoping DES they will pass the DES fee there. 644 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,640 » Okay. Can I ask if this Penny's letter is similar to or is it the same 645 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:19,200 situations as or different? >> No, it's it's more general. 646 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,760 » Okay. >> How is it that the water gets diverted 647 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,800 into the pond and then it doesn't go anywhere? Because it's dry from where 648 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,360 the pond is. >> Um no. Well, if you recall the letter 649 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,800 that we sent to DES, we raised a number of issues. 650 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,040 Issue number one was the water withdrawal rates in the winter for snow 651 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,160 making. The second one that we raised was 652 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:46,560 the main channel is actually what's the water's being 653 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,480 diverted So we've raised that issue with DES. 654 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,480 Um and then the third issue that we raised 655 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:56,520 was with sediment. And the sediment issue is actually both the state and 656 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,480 town. I know at the What's the one selectman 657 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,640 meeting before? I can't remember which one. 658 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,200 The selectmen have now cited Black Mountain. 659 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:11,640 Um but they have given them sort of a caveat that if they clean up their act, 660 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:15,400 then the fines won't be in place. But the fines are basically 200 bucks and 661 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:20,760 700 bucks for the first and then 500 bucks a day afterwards or thereabouts. 662 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:26,040 Um so we've raised all three of those questions in the response that we sent 663 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,880 back to DES at that time. Um 664 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:34,920 The one thing that I would note is and I hope Anne 665 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:38,080 is and I have gone back and taken a couple 666 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:43,400 of those and taken some pictures as well. There's no question that the 667 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:48,400 that the main channel is actually pretty much dry. There's a few pools in there. 668 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:52,880 If you have a heavy rain then it overcomes the new burn that he's built 669 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:56,440 there, but to me that's illegal what he's got going on. We've raised the 670 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,480 issue with DES. We know that there's illegal stuff going on between them and 671 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:04,680 DES now. We're not because it is legal, I don't 672 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,240 think we've seen some stuff, but I know the selectmen have said that they've 673 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:13,120 gotten some correspondence back, but I don't know what the correspondence has 674 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:16,880 been between DES and the selectmen. But the issue that's raised here about 675 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,480 the diversion I think is correct. The only warning I would give is this 676 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,920 means that somebody walked on Eric's property to take these pictures. That's 677 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,160 illegal. >> Cuz it's posted. I saw that. 678 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,600 » Yeah. Uh it doesn't change the fact when you're going into 679 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,040 um sniffing on somebody's property, you need the permission to do it. I took 680 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:40,440 some photos, but it was at a I took those photos from Route 16 681 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,360 in the right-of-way. I did not and you can get a better picture of the way that 682 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,840 this was done, but but that is a challenge that individual could have 683 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,320 from Eric that would be problematic for this individual. 684 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,760 And I don't know whether your pictures were taken on it his property or not, 685 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,920 but you do want to be careful about doing that. 686 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,400 That's my advice. 687 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,240 » Um I'm going to be going to guess 688 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,920 » Even if the town wants to go, they have to alert the DES, I believe, has to 689 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,280 alert that company here. >> What if you're a guest at the end? 690 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,080 What if you're a guest at the end? Maybe Ann stayed. 691 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,480 » Um >> I'm just saying anybody could stay there 692 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,480 and get pictures all you want. 693 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:34,520 » He's got big He's got a lot of lawyers. >> I My pictures also include 694 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,960 um extreme turbidity 695 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:44,840 from Davis Stream Brook. Um and very clear photos of Davis Stream 696 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,960 Brook mixing with >> Okay. 697 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,680 » Great Brook in the color, you know, during rain events. So, we've got the 698 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:56,320 turbidity from Davis Stream Brook and then there's the normal tannic acid 699 00:44:53,400 --> 00:45:01,440 color water coming down from Great Brook. It's quite 700 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:05,760 obvious as well as photos of the stream coming in by the 701 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,720 ranch house, but Yes. >> I have other photos. 702 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,960 » But this is I mean, it's a legitimate question 703 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:17,400 what's in this letter. The reasons I say that is we put that 704 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:23,200 into DES as a major concern. >> Can One One of the things under the 705 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:27,640 their dam permit is that it was always supposed to be 706 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,400 the dam the the water isn't supposed to be 707 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:34,160 the level of the pond for kayaking and swimming and all that is 708 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:41,600 supposed to be lowered during the summer. It says it in that. 709 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:44,880 » I I don't I mean, yeah, I um I don't know because of You know, when 710 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,280 we first moved here, we all used to swim up there. 711 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,560 And then the bacterial level, from what I understand, 712 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:56,040 got so high. That was probably because of who raised pigs that were right up 713 00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:00,080 there, logging and so on, which is not atypical when we get runoff from animals 714 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,080 that um And so, then that would have I believe 715 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,840 the there was shut down by DES because of the bacteria count. 716 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:12,320 And that would have been in the '80s. They used to all swim up there. You guys 717 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,240 swam up there. We never Yeah. Um I don't 718 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,880 I'm not familiar with what you're talking about, so I can't. 719 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:23,520 » It's mentioned multiple times if you go look in the folder 720 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,960 for Whitney's for that property that they bought. 721 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:31,120 That it says quite explicitly that the dam level is supposed to be lowered in 722 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,840 the summer. >> That could be. Um and then it's a 723 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:39,400 question of whether that is a requirement that is between them and DES 724 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:44,160 or whether that is just an internal policy. If it's an internal policy and 725 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,720 now that Eric has bought 726 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,480 it, he could change the policy at will. I don't know what 727 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,720 » Yeah, it it was it's listed on the DES information. 728 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,920 » I I'm not familiar with that, so I can't. 729 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,960 » Folks, I have to go. 730 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,080 » You have a quorum. So you can still vote. 731 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,160 » You want to >> Yeah, vote me out. 732 00:47:09,632 --> 00:47:13,440 » [laughter] >> See you later. 733 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,320 » I appreciate the time. >> Thank you. 734 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:19,000 » Thank you. >> All right. Our next meeting will be at 735 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,080 the regular time. >> Which Which also, Dan, when you're 736 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,080 taking the water samples right at the bridge, 737 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,480 um you want to make sure that you're doing 738 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,800 it in the road right of way, not on his property. 739 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:36,160 » I'm aware about his property, so >> I only say that because of 740 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:44,120 And he was as you know, he got pretty adamant with us about who flagged the 741 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:48,640 wetlands, which we were all clueless about, but 742 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,280 » Um Yeah, so I I think 743 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,000 I don't know. 744 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:05,440 I You know, the other thing we could do is just contact DES and just tell them 745 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:09,440 that we've continued to observe that that byway is still dry all summer 746 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:14,520 outside of you know, a major rain event and 747 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,720 we'd like an update on how how it's proceeding. I mean, it would be a 748 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:21,840 question. >> So, you're concerned about dam safety? 749 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:31,800 » It was cited as an issue that could be pursued separately from the 750 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:36,640 uh letter of deficiency. 751 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:39,520 » It's ranked as a non-hazardous dam. Um 752 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,880 I think your your greatest threat if that thing burst would be number one is 753 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,520 you get a settlement load, which is pretty typical when that happens. 754 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,000 Um how much damage? Probably the first 755 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,480 place that would see the damage would be Eagle Mountain, of course, would be my 756 00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:00,200 guess just from the bottom of water. If he ex- and I I I'm going to guess that 757 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:03,800 he's probably going to need to do this, but I'm just guessing, is he's probably 758 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,280 going to try to increase the volume of that so that he can do snow making in a 759 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:13,400 more legitimate way and I suspect that's what is between him and DES now as he 760 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,160 tries to get up to DES's um 761 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:22,600 Obviously, if you have more water stored there, then you may move from a 762 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:27,120 non-hazardous to a hazardous situation. But usually hazardous is based on how 763 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,320 much water is there. If the thing breached, how much would go? 764 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:37,040 But he does not have an emergency spillway on that, for example, 765 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:42,280 on that dam, which is why when it was filled, it was going over the back. 766 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,600 » There is a bedrock spillway. >> On the dam? 767 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,400 » Yes. >> Whereabouts? 768 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,520 » As you're facing down. >> So, you got the dam and then on the 769 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:54,240 left-hand side? >> Left side is an overflow. 770 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:59,360 » Then the question would be if it's earth then it's pretty problematic. Usually a 771 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:03,240 overflow would be smooth. So that it would not erode when the 772 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:06,440 water is going through it. >> I'll inquire. 773 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:11,600 » Yeah. I don't My recollection from swimming 774 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,760 here is there is no real overflow. There There might be 775 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,440 something that allows it to vent there but if it's earthen 776 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:21,480 um water moving through earth, we know >> very well 777 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,880 » very quickly. But usually on dams it's going to be 778 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,840 something that structurally is not going to erode when it's being done. 779 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,720 » Um all right. Well 780 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,520 » But we could write a letter to DES and just say, you know, we have continuing 781 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:46,560 concerns there. Um the main channel still continues to 782 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,600 be dewatered. And we'd like an update. 783 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,080 » What When is that select >> Select the 15th. 784 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,960 » I mean I I think 785 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:06,760 select The select board has requested DES attend that meeting, correct? So I 786 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:11,120 think that would be the time we have that discussion, so. 787 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,000 » But I don't know when I'll be available. 788 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,120 » Yeah. Yeah, they have requested 789 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:29,120 that DES attend at a select board meeting on the 15th at 3:30, so. 790 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:34,040 I I'm not sure if I'll be able to be there but I will make an effort. 791 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,040 So thank you. 792 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:41,320 Um And and your letter and and I I'm I'm 793 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:45,440 going to assume that Anne's letter cuz it was also select board 794 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,560 uh submitted to the select board will be presented at that meeting. 795 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,360 » You want to talk to Anne Garland, right? 796 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:59,360 » Who's Anne Garland? >> Yeah, on the pictures. 797 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,360 » Um selectmen meeting is at 3:30. 798 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,320 » Yes. >> All right, 799 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:10,680 Seth Tyler. >> There will be a Zoom option. 800 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:15,000 » It's my wife's property, that's it. I'll see how excited she is about it. 801 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,880 See if Anne first selected it. >> Stevie Nicks. 802 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,400 » Uh yeah, I got the perfect present for you. 803 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,840 » Um anything else on Wildcat River? 804 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,720 Okay. Um 805 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:43,120 letters will be going out to easement 806 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:48,080 holders this week. 807 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:51,040 Have you been out to overlook it all? Have you seen all of the logging that is 808 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,560 » No. No. 809 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,360 » That's >> I was going to say 810 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,760 » It's Yeah, Burgess Highland. >> Yeah. 811 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,760 » There's Yeah, I I It's posted. I looked at the permit. It's just logging. 812 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,440 » When did it start? >> Uh it's been going on maybe like 2 813 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,240 weeks. >> Okay, that's the trucks that have been 814 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,160 coming down. >> Yeah, it's 815 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,960 » Huh? >> Yeah. 816 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,640 There's been a couple a couple of the easements that we monitor. They've had 817 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,920 So, several of them have had some some logging 818 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520 » going on. >> But the conservation easement 819 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,760 » allowed them to do the logging. >> With a lot of logging. 820 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:26,160 » The first time they cut heavy, and then they cut heavy probably 821 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,680 » Well, just something to tend to over there. 822 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,880 » Yeah. >> The lower section of the Burgess section 823 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,080 that comes by our house was logged pretty hard 824 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,520 » Yeah. >> at one point. 825 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:39,400 » Yeah, that was I don't know, that was 10 15 years ago 826 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,400 now. 827 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,320 » Yeah. Anyway, just so you're aware. 828 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,040 » Yeah. You can see it's posted right by the fire pond. 829 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,720 » Mhm. >> But read the easement first. 830 00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:01,800 » But if it's allowed >> Yeah, yeah. And it's following 831 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,800 you know, proper then, so be it. 832 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:09,400 Um Do you have any thing for wetlands or 833 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,360 Dundee Forest 834 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,800 » Do you have any updates on the resource inventory? 835 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,120 » Yeah, um I'm a little behind, but I'm mostly 836 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,520 there. I just I wanted to raise a couple questions here. 837 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,280 First off is the assessment that was done by Upper 838 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:31,840 Saco Valley Land Trust the best that I can tell was basically an update that 839 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:37,280 was done in 2022. This does rely on the New Hampshire Fish 840 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:40,800 and Game's State Wildlife Action Plan. Which is a premier tool that a lot of 841 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:46,640 those use. The State Wildlife Action Plan was 842 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:52,360 updated in 2025. So, it is actually relative to looking at lands relative to 843 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:56,760 wildlife value and so on and so forth. And when I look at Upper Saco Valley 844 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,280 Strategic Conservation Plan and they are having a meeting I think in September or 845 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,040 so. >> Yeah, September 24th. 846 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,840 » Yeah, September 24th. And I'm going to check I may just check with Kate before 847 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,080 then. Um 848 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:14,920 their priority areas do not reach up as high as Prospect Farm area. Whereas when 849 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,760 you look at the State Wildlife Action Plan, I'm just giving this as one 850 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:23,280 example. Um this is what I've been trying [snorts] to just overlay. I mean, 851 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,840 these are tools in the end we decide what we think is is best for the town. 852 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,000 Um for example, the 100 acres that sits up 853 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:35,040 at Prospect that's the private parcel to them 854 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,880 is rated as real high within State Wildlife Action Plan, which makes all 855 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:42,000 the sense in the world. Because upper Snake River doesn't 856 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,880 priority area doesn't reach up quite that high. 857 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,680 It doesn't flash the same way. So, there's a few things 858 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,080 in there that's a little bit of cross talk. And if you remember when we got 859 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,160 the prospect management plan approved by the 860 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,400 town, we had actually made a recommendation 861 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:03,720 that that definitely should be a priority area. And we know that that was 862 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,800 contested years ago. We don't need to go through all of that. 863 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,320 So, there's a couple of those things that I'm just trying to chase out 864 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:16,560 and and and get squared away. I think, you know, they 865 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:22,080 getting this like the soils maps and the geology, a lot of that stuff is just 866 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:25,560 you go to the state GIS, which is basically what upper Snake River Valley 867 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:30,080 is. And we we can put those in. It would be almost a rehash of what was 868 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:34,320 out there before because a lot of that hasn't really changed in a big way. 869 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,920 But then it gets around to what are the recommendations that we make. I mean, 870 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:43,520 you can explain the situation that's out there. And let me give you just 871 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,120 a few scenarios to take into consideration that we don't need to 872 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,760 decide on today, but for example, Jackson has a problem 873 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,760 that's it's looking for more housing. At the same time, you want higher water 874 00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:00,360 quality. You have steep slopes. You have, you know, soils that can't take a 875 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,520 lot of septic systems. So, the town has a soil base 876 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,480 uh septic 877 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:10,320 as opposed to like 1 acre is and and you know, and my 878 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:15,000 recommendation on that one would be is you'd either recommend that the town 879 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:19,560 still maintain that strategy. The same thing, the town has a river conservation 880 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:24,680 plan and it has stuff about what's supposed to be enforced relative to 881 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:28,640 sediment runoff with construction, etc. Um we know that the town was a little 882 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:32,200 bit slow in implementing the sediment control of the black. I mean, they're 883 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,720 into it now. Um and that's partly because we raised 884 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,000 another raised the question with the town as to 885 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,480 we can't enforce this, but you do have a law on the book and it needs to be 886 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:46,600 enforced. So, our recommendation is in the 887 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:51,200 in the natural resource would be here here's the conditions you have. 888 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:56,000 A number of these things the town had was preemptive in developing a park. 889 00:57:53,640 --> 00:58:02,160 They had to do that to get the the wildcat into the wild and scenic. It 890 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:05,040 had to demonstrate that it had some you know, money in the game as well as 891 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,640 just getting a a designation with nothing 892 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,480 else attached to it. So, 893 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,160 those you know, the two parts would be and I think for the most part the town 894 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,800 has you know, good zoning 895 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,400 out there. It's a matter of making sure that those 896 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,640 don't get changed because they can get changed. If your master plan sends you 897 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,720 in a different direction, then it becomes problematic. You can see 898 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:35,720 this in the housing commission that's looking at why can't we open up the 899 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:39,120 forest land for housing. I went through this when they were 900 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,760 trying to put the bypass in around North Conway and the route 901 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:47,440 they were going to do was try to when you when as a town when you plan poorly, 902 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,480 then you look at whoever else's lands are available. They were going to put 903 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:55,000 the bypass around the mole mountains through our forest because there's 904 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:59,000 nothing there. That was only a result because the town had done poor planning 905 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:02,960 up to that point. You have to be very careful and particularly with this 906 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:07,120 administration of opening up Pandora's Box about 907 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:13,400 uh you know, starting to sell off forest service land to meet a need out there. 908 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:17,280 The these are the kinds of things that it's not hypothetical anymore. I know 909 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:22,480 that the housing commission is is exploring with the the forest service 910 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:27,440 county use some of the land which is 911 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:32,000 Well, if you look at out west the current administration is willing to 912 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:36,000 sell off national parks, BLM land, forest reserves. The list is long. I 913 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:40,000 mean, they basically want to privatize everything that's that's publicly owned. 914 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:47,600 So that'll be part of what we need to discuss as we get into recommendation 915 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,600 section when we get there. 916 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,440 The resource base, I think most of you know it. 917 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:57,080 The soils, the slopes, and so on and so forth. 918 00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:02,080 So that's and I will I don't know what 919 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,480 people have other thoughts real quick because I'll try to put in some draft 920 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,240 recommendations and then we'll need to be 921 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:14,200 discuss those and so on and so forth before we finalize 922 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,200 the resource inventory. 923 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:24,480 And some of it, like what Upper Saco has, is it's been 924 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:30,040 they run it through a formula. So you don't actually have the base 925 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:35,240 data, but I can access like slopes and soils and that sort of stuff. And some 926 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:39,040 of it they have, but some they do not. But it's the same database that the 927 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,640 state weather action plan would be using as well. 928 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:55,000 » So areas be um 929 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:59,400 highlighted as areas as of high interest to them in terms of 930 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:02,240 as a result of the natural this natural inventory? 931 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,400 » Oh, yeah. And then same thing is if you want to preserve water quality, 932 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:10,440 you have to be careful about, you know, your zoning laws relative to what kind 933 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,760 of development, how, where it's going to take place, which is the septic, the 934 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:18,600 suburban runoff during construction, etc. 935 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:21,040 And the town has fairly decent zoning that's 936 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,960 » What about trails and that sort of thing? 937 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,880 » The trails were put in and Mike, you were going to do the cultural part and 938 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,680 give it to me. >> Yeah, so I did 939 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:35,000 uh I did contact historical society to see if they had 940 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:39,520 just something already existing. And they came back and said, "All of our 941 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,120 things are in storage and we don't have time right now to answer your question." 942 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,480 » And there is some stuff out there actually that's online. 943 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,280 » Uh I was going to 944 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,200 » In the historic district. >> Oh, yes, right, right. And that's what I 945 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:55,320 kind of That's mostly what I was like looking for if they just had something 946 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,800 easy that was translatable that like mapped out the historic district. Um and 947 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,360 when I asked that question, they basically said, 948 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,960 "We're just we're busy moving the building." Or I 949 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,200 guess the building was already moved at that point. 950 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,360 » It's a small town. Sure. >> Yeah, they're they're they're busy. So, 951 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,400 I was going to uh I was going to ask again um 952 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,320 to see if they just had something easy and digital. 953 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,920 Um now that it seems like they're getting 954 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,680 » Well, I'll go back and get them to the finish line. 955 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,800 » I'm happy I'm happy to help. 956 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:33,160 » And we do have what you what you've got here, what they did for the town 957 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:40,400 in their original, which was not the 2022, but it was the 958 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:45,200 was derived from pre-2020. They they cuz the 2022 was an update. 959 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:49,400 And I believe what the town has on record here 960 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,280 in their resource inventory was from the inventory 961 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,080 They didn't have >> Yeah, this is this is something else, 962 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,480 but yeah. >> Yeah. 963 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:59,760 For the cultural component, what would be most helpful? Something text-based or 964 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,960 something map-based? >> Um 965 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,160 » Or both? >> Maps, you know, it's like pictures worth 966 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:11,200 a thousand words. But I think also text-based. We we do 967 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:15,640 have a historic district here in town. Um the other stuff that's probably of 968 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,520 interest is um 969 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:22,760 you know, we have a number of historic buildings like the Ham House, etc., that 970 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,080 are not in the hit in the historic district. 971 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,520 » Mhm. >> And you know, that's the function of an 972 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:33,640 inventory is to list out what the town has. 973 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,200 » I know when you go up Green Hill Road, you have to go up and climb Iron 974 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:40,600 Mountain. That was last little funky building 975 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:44,400 that's half dilapidated was one of the original schools. They used to be six or 976 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,200 eight schools. That's past that building. 977 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,480 » Yeah, maybe I'll ask Ann Killian as well. Yeah, I think she 978 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:54,080 would be a good resource for that. >> And Alice Pepper's book is a good 979 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,600 » Mhm. >> summary of a lot of that. 980 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,600 » Mhm. 981 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,920 Um Okay. 982 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,920 Um 983 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,760 Looks like we're moving along there. 984 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,480 I I I'm 985 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:18,840 like looking at the I've seen various 986 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:24,840 versions of this and like Eaton's research it they they have it all on as 987 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:29,440 a as a website, but it's just using all of those 988 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,760 land trust resources and then state state maps. 989 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,480 » Yes. >> They're they're not generating a lot of 990 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,480 new stuff, so >> No. 991 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,800 » So, you didn't see nothing. >> And actually she she sent uh 992 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:44,840 she has sent to me and I can cookie cut out 993 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:49,600 the Jackson. What I can't cookie cut out, but I'm not 994 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:54,080 sure that we really need it is if you threw it into GIS, you could actually 995 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:58,280 start to generate some statistics, but a lot of that stats exist that haven't 996 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,040 changed that much. You know, like what percentage is slopes 997 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:06,800 greater than X percent, etc. >> Mhm. 998 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,800 Yeah, I mean they the 999 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,240 Maybe I'll reach out to them and see if they have a hard copy version of this 1000 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,600 because they do have some narrative narrative 1001 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,600 » I've already I'll get back in touch cuz I've already communicated 1002 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,760 » Great. >> communicated with Kate. 1003 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,920 » All right. Um I just have a couple of other small 1004 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:32,080 things. There's a volunteer fair October 22nd at um 1005 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,840 I can't remember if it's 1006 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,960 at the library. Yeah. 1007 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:47,120 to bring uh 1008 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,920 volunteer organizations in Jackson and I think 1009 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:53,040 kind of use it as a recruitment drive. Didn't really generate 1010 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:59,000 anything from it, but if anyone's interested in 1011 01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:02,840 participating on that, it's October 22nd at the Whitney Center. 1012 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,840 So. 1013 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:11,360 See if we can get additional members or just 1014 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:13,960 more visibility. And then 1015 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,880 the library will also be working with um 1016 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:27,080 New Hampshire Saves to have a winterization energy saving workshop in 1017 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:33,200 November. I said I would would help promote, so. 1018 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:36,360 » When is that again? November 7th? >> 17th. 1019 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,360 » 17th. 1020 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:41,960 Through the library. So. >> How do you help 1021 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,720 » Promote that? >> Whatever they want 1022 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,440 » Is telling the people >> Tell Tell the people. 1023 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,560 » They'll They'll go out in our community minutes. 1024 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,080 Um That is That is everything I have for 1025 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,120 tonight. >> Uh I have one quick new business thing. 1026 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,840 » Oh, okay. >> And that is I had uh 1027 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:07,680 someone that lives in town uh concerned about some work being done at with next 1028 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,720 to theirs. Um a lot of 1029 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:15,880 uh material sediment. It's a building on a 1030 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:18,800 steep slope. And uh after it rains, uh a lot of that material coming down onto 1031 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,200 their property, coming down into the road. 1032 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:25,160 Um so they 1033 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:30,680 We're This is um up Jackson Highlands on a 1034 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:36,680 Northampton Ridge. And so I recommended uh talking to the 1035 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:40,680 town inspector, maybe writing a kind of a formal letter, that 1036 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,440 sort of thing, taking pictures from the road. 1037 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,320 Um and so the person 1038 01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,520 um I don't think 1039 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:54,920 they said that they had uh seen the town inspector there and 1040 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,040 briefly mentioned things, but hadn't seen any changes, and then they'd sent 1041 01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,440 me some pictures. So I said I would 1042 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:07,560 bring it to the meeting and um 1043 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:12,360 I went up and looked at one point, but I don't really know what I'm looking for 1044 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:16,480 as well as someone like Brian Wood or perhaps Ken. So um 1045 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:19,680 » Yeah, if you want to call me leading >> Yeah, I might be able to give you give 1046 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:23,440 you the address and >> I think But for greater efficiency, they 1047 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:27,960 actually should be bringing that to the town because 1048 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:32,640 the town has ordinances and it has policy. 1049 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:35,839 We We cannot enforce anything. The town is responsible for both 1050 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:39,120 checking on those and enforcing those things. So the pictures should actually 1051 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,560 be going to the town. >> Yeah, I think I think she was 1052 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,279 » I mean, it's good to alert us so we can support, but that's it. 1053 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,920 » Yeah. >> Um 1054 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,240 » I think Yeah, I think she was maybe looking for some help as to whether or 1055 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:54,880 not what was being done was you know, against town codes and things 1056 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,080 like that. But yeah, no, you're right. Um 1057 01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:00,319 » You can go read the zoning laws. It's all 1058 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:03,080 pretty straightforward, actually. >> Yeah, but it's hard for people to dip 1059 01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:07,680 People off and I've never known anyone dip their toe into the 1060 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:11,600 I don't want to be the person pointing the finger. They just By doing that, the 1061 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,560 hope is that maybe 1062 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:16,920 you'll tell somebody. And this is just happening cuz it's 1063 01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:18,880 supposed to happen anyway. >> Yeah. 1064 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:22,680 » But we have like what like what Ken said, we have those things in place. 1065 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:26,000 How long have I been on the board, Pam? How long have you been on the board? How 1066 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:31,240 often have you seen the things that we talked about at 1067 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:35,720 company meetings be enforced or and then they black 1068 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:40,279 » Plan is a little different because >> Well, somebody could draw a 1069 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:43,040 » DES is required to notify us and to get our input. 1070 01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:48,480 » Right. >> And that's what we were talking about 1071 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,480 all along. 1072 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,600 » Well, I mean >> And I think it's good if people are 1073 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:57,240 spreading it out. You should go tell the selectmen, but I think it's good if you 1074 01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:00,680 tell your neighbor and tell someone that's on the board that tell the 1075 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,400 selectmen that's on the board that just get the word out. 1076 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,520 » Yeah. I'm I'm friendly with this person. I just think they felt more comfortable. 1077 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:10,680 » Yeah, and that's how I usually find out my information. People just 1078 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:14,960 » But you can point out this I mean, on the chapter and verse we put 1079 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:18,560 in that letter to DES relative to what the town's zonings are. 1080 01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:23,120 » Mhm. >> Because we also sent that to the town 1081 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:26,640 the same time. >> Okay. 1082 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:31,040 » Um just so I make sure we don't forget 1083 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:35,800 about this. We are going to be hold holding a public 1084 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:41,440 meeting to discuss this plan on October 5th. 1085 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:41,440 I'm going to say 1086 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,600 7:00, 6:30 or 7:00 p.m. is that? 1087 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:51,040 » We should probably shoot for 6:30 and that way we can just have our meeting be 1088 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,120 shorter. If we do 7:00, it's a long meeting and then another 1089 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:56,680 » Yeah, okay. >> I mean, I don't want to 1090 01:10:54,400 --> 01:11:02,680 » 5:00, yeah, 5:45. I mean, we can 1091 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:06,560 If if if it's preferable, we can do that prior to holding the meeting. 1092 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,920 With that >> It might be harder for people to make 1093 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:14,840 5:30. It can be tough for everybody. It's 1094 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:17,880 » Okay. So, public meeting October 5th at 6:30. 1095 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:22,360 » I think that's fair. >> And then we've got to have something 1096 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,360 that they can look at in advance. 1097 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,120 I would suggest that we make the 1098 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:36,520 design plans the response to the request. 1099 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:43,920 We would be discussing and I think that there was an emotion 1100 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:47,200 that we're recommending 1101 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:50,200 as a conservation commission to move forward. The conservation commission is 1102 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:55,280 going to put up X dollars. I think we said 45. And um 1103 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,680 we would be that this public meeting would be also 1104 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,200 to see the town put in the remainder. 1105 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:04,840 » Mhm. >> And so that people come with some 1106 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,720 knowledge. >> Mhm. 1107 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,280 » I always hate walking into a meeting of which I'm 1108 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,640 trying to catch up to speed. >> Right. 1109 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,960 » So, you put it on the notice and refer people to 1110 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:18,480 the website. >> Yeah. 1111 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,520 » So, what you're saying? >> Yeah. 1112 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:25,240 » Otherwise, you're going to be pulling up 1113 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:28,640 the picture and so on and so forth. >> Yeah, I think you want to have the 1114 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:32,520 information out there and make sure it's I think almost worse is when 1115 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,600 you think you have all the information only to find out you go to a meeting 1116 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:39,040 that has moved ahead of the last information I left you. So, you 1117 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,600 go there thinking you're going to discuss something that's already been 1118 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,240 decided and you're >> Right. 1119 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,840 » This is what I thought this was for. >> Yeah, I I think the only 1120 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:56,720 guidance that I've gotten from the New Hampshire Association is that it is 1121 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,320 we don't go into the meeting with a decision already locked in with the 1122 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:05,040 place. >> Mhm. 1123 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:12,920 » Uh for that purpose. So, I will get the notice out on e-news and include 1124 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:17,000 uh the design plans and the quote. 1125 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:22,120 Yeah, and so we'll do that. >> And the Conservation Commission 1126 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:26,200 would be putting up 45 and they would be 1127 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:29,600 a vote by the town whether we would put up the other 45. It's a sounding board 1128 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,720 if everybody came in and said great idea. 1129 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:36,120 Then you probably have a good chance of getting it passed if everybody showed up 1130 01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,640 and said this terrible idea. >> So, that'll go out on e-news ahead of 1131 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,280 time. >> Mhm. 1132 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:45,320 » So, it's another this is like this is your first sounding board. 1133 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:45,320 And we'll see who shows up. 1134 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:49,520 » Okay. >> And if you can send me any engineering 1135 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:53,840 stuff, that'd be awesome. If you have that. If you have it. 1136 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:56,160 » And the only I'll ask if there's any additional 1137 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,440 materials. >> Yeah. 1138 01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:01,840 » Um okay. So, I guess we just need to have a motion to 1139 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:05,600 » And say that Shawn will be there. >> Yeah. 1140 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,600 Yeah, that's Shawn will be there. 1141 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:12,440 A motion to schedule a public meeting for this at 6:30. 1142 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,400 » I'll make the motion. >> Is there a second? 1143 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,040 » I'll second. >> I'm going to say Pam. 1144 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,600 » Getting on the board. >> Pam's getting on the board. It's quick. 1145 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,960 » All right. All in favor? 1146 01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,186 » Aye. >> Opposed? 1147 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:28,040 » I'll abstain from that. >> [laughter] 1148 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:32,960 » No. Okay. 1149 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:39,400 » And then our next meeting will be October 5th, regular time. 1150 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,240 And is there a motion to adjourn? >> Wait, may I make a comment? 1151 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,280 » Oh, I'm sorry. >> Public comment? 1152 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,440 » Any additional public comment? >> Any? 1153 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,800 » Thank you. >> Motion to adjourn. 1154 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,880 » I'll second that. >> Uh all those in favor? 1155 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:58,240 » I. >> Opposed? 1156 01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:02,280 » All right. Thank you, everyone. >> Thanks, Ryan. 1157 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,280 » Thank you. 1158 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:08,600 » Thanks, Benny. >> Thanks. Thanks for coming. 1159 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:10,600 » Ben, when you send in your view app, do you put in any other comments because 1160 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,800 you >> Do you have the address? 1161 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,400 » Yeah, this property. >> Um it's going to take me a minute to 1162 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,920 figure that out. >> I don't have the exact address. I tried 1163 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,400 to >> I tried to scroll down with the number. 1164 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,440 » I don't have the address off. >> Yeah, let's turn this 1165 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,720 » Get out. >> Yeah. 1166 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,760 » Cuz there's one quality and there's one quality. 1167 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:31,440 » Um it just would be an observation. 1168 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:36,160 » Since it's not a test site, >> it's a it's above and below that. 1169 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,160 » Um 1170 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:42,040 there wouldn't be >> That's true. 1171 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:46,280 » There's a general comment >> on the Insta. 1172 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,280 » Insta. 1173 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,840 » Oh, that's