1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Allegian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:14,840 for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,840 justice for all. 4 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:26,000 » Good evening and welcome to the September 8th, 2026 regular meeting of 5 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:29,840 the Jackson Township Council. Pursuant to the provisions of New Jerseys open 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,960 public meeting act, adequate notice of this meeting was properly provided by 7 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:36,640 transmitting a notice of the meeting on January 9th for publication. Notice of 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,239 this meeting in the township councils but posted the in the corridor of the 9 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:43,520 municipal building on the township website and in the office municipal 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,040 clerk. We'll begin with a roll call. Councilman Barlli 11 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:46,480 » here. >> Councilman Breie 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,920 » here. >> Councilman Pollock 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,160 » here. >> Council vice president Paul Mary 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,000 » present. >> Council President Bernstein 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:57,120 » here. Also attending this evening is Mayor Cune, Attorney McGucket, 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:01,760 administrator Tara Franco, and myself, Cassandra Martin. 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:06,000 The first item for this evening's agenda would be the small business recognition. 18 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:09,600 Council President Bernstein. >> So, I'm going to turn the floor over to 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:13,680 council vice president. >> Thank you. 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:19,910 Tonight, we are proud to recognize another great Jackson business as part 21 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:24,880 of our small business highlight program. [clears throat] Aspen Tree Experts is 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:30,720 celebrating an incredible milestone. 50 years in business. Five decades Aspen 23 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:35,680 has been a family-owned business serving Jackson and communities throughout our 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:40,640 area. I recently had the opportunity to spend time some time with co-owner Steve 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:45,360 Chisum. Learn more about Aspen's history and see firsthand the pride they take in 26 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:49,680 the business they built. Reaching 50 years is a tremendous 27 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:55,520 accomplishment and it speaks to the hard work, dedication, and commitment of the 28 00:01:52,159 --> 00:02:00,000 entire Aspen team. So tonight, on behalf of the mayor and the township council, 29 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:05,759 we are proud to recognize Aspen Tree Experts as our Jackson Township small 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:13,676 business highlight and congratulate them on 50 years in business. So Steve, 31 00:02:08,959 --> 00:02:13,676 congratulations. And if Yep. [applause] 32 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,160 And if you and everyone that you brought would like to come up please and we'd be 33 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,160 honored to present you with this recognition. 34 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:37,201 Um Steve, how many generations of Chisums have been involved in this 35 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,221 business? Three. Congratulations, guys. [applause] 36 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Thank 37 00:03:14,239 --> 00:03:17,720 Thank you very much. 38 00:03:18,467 --> 00:03:20,487 [applause] 39 00:03:24,362 --> 00:03:26,382 [applause] 40 00:03:53,599 --> 00:04:00,640 Thank you. We're going to continue with council township comments starting with 41 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:04,319 council president Bernstein. >> Okay. So, thank you madame clerk and 42 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,920 thank you and congratulations to the Chisum family. I had the opportunity in 43 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:12,000 serving for a little bit of time with Steve I guess Junior. Um we appreciated 44 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:16,400 all the work that you did here on council and uh I appreciate the work 45 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:21,199 that you're continuing to do on ROA. So, I just want to start with a couple 46 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:24,240 updates. Um we had a ROA a Roa Farms committee meeting last week. It was 47 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:29,440 actually one of our more well attended meetings as of recent with the new 48 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:34,400 engineer. Um and he updated the team on what the status of some of the um 49 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:37,199 submitts were and um he gave us a commitment I think it was last week 50 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Monday that he would have everything ready by to the township by Friday for 51 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:46,560 it to be submitted for final D. We generally try not to add anything onto 52 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:49,040 the agenda last minute but I felt I gave a commitment to the ROA team that I 53 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,680 would be comfortable with it. Council was emailed probably about a half hour 54 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:58,720 before the meeting. Everyone should have it on their seat in front of them. A 55 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:03,360 add-on to the bills list um for $2885 which is a check from the town to Ocean 56 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:06,960 County Soil Conservation District. So the town hopefully I know the business 57 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,720 administrator um signed the paperwork today. So hopefully fresh and early 58 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:15,600 tomorrow we can reach out to the engineer and we can submit it to D to 59 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:21,919 Ocean County soils and to the Ocean County Planning Board so we can finally 60 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:26,960 move move it to the next step and um to the residents who have been waiting for 61 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:30,080 many many years. We apologize that we're going to continue to keep our feet on 62 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,280 our foot on the gas to try to move it forward. Um, I just want to give a 63 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,639 couple of other updates on things that we've been working on that we hope to 64 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:40,800 look we're looking forward to over the next couple weeks. Um, Councilman Paul 65 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,600 Mary and Councilman Pollock reached out to me about um, working on some of the 66 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:49,039 ordinances with regard to warehouses. I had the opportunity in speaking for a 67 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:52,479 long time to our attorney and our engineer this week. I got an email not 68 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,000 so long ago which I will forward to my colleagues with some of the ideas that 69 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,680 we're working on to try to pro better protect some of the surrounding areas 70 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:04,800 where warehouses are located or going to be located potentially in Jackson. Um 71 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Councilman found some stake islands were able to use it as maybe a a a buffer and 72 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,199 maybe as a guidance. So we look forward I'm hoping to have a draft ordinance 73 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:17,919 ready by the end of this week to get over to council and to go from there. 74 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:23,039 Um, additionally, I had some back and forth with my colleagues on council 75 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:26,720 pertaining to um, we had introduced a ordinance which we put on hold with 76 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:31,039 regard to storm water. Um, which I do believe is a very very big issue is that 77 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:34,319 we are we are continuing to see more and more flooding within some of our 78 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,280 neighborhoods as people, you know, make various additions and lose some of the 79 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,400 impervious coverage. There was some back and forth that was brought up by the 80 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:47,120 council meeting um, by two residents pertaining to the um, appeal process. 81 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:50,880 Um, and we um had some back and forth. I got an email about a half hour before 82 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:55,600 the meeting um from the resident who I've been in touch with um who is 83 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:58,479 studying it and we are um forwarded to our attorneys already and we are going 84 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,800 to continue working on that. I would like to introduce it this year because I 85 00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:05,440 do think it's something important um and I think it's something that will help 86 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:08,960 protect some of our neighborhoods and definitely some of our higher dense 87 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:12,479 neighborhoods in town. So, we're going to be be moving forward on that. Um, 88 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:17,919 additionally, I just want to take a moment and just really recognize um and 89 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:22,560 wish a condolences to the to the family who lost their nine-month-old child last 90 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:31,440 week in a horrific accident here in Jackson. Our prayers are with them. Um, 91 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:35,919 I unfortunately um had the sad um opportunity or um a misfortune. The 92 00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:38,720 family lives about 10 doors from my house. My children know them very well. 93 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,240 I know the the parents. I didn't know the child. and I had to tell them Friday 94 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:46,639 night and it's never an easy conversation to have with a uh when my 95 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:52,720 daughters know their older older children um their child hopefully is is 96 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,800 in a better place now looking down and our condolences to the family because no 97 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:01,039 one should ever have to bury anyone let alone a child like that is such a such a 98 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:04,400 terrible terrible tragedy and um I just want to also mention that you know I 99 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,680 think times like this we all remember that we're all Americans we all bleed 100 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:11,759 the same blood and we have to look past our differences and and remember that 101 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,319 because um I got the first phone call as I was actually pulling into town hall. I 102 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:20,000 had a meeting with the clerk. I sat in my car for 15 minutes crying. Um and 103 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:23,919 because I just couldn't come in um and our prayers to the family, our prayers 104 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,000 anyone who knew them and uh we should never have to hear such news again here 105 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:31,599 in Jackson Township. Um I also want to take a moment. I know the mayor is going 106 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:36,240 to do a proclamation for for 911. And I apologize if I'm a little long. Um but 107 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:40,640 it hit me today. Um it it is obviously a huge um it's been a while since 911 108 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:44,720 happened and I was thinking today I interviewed someone for a job today and 109 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:48,880 I saw her resume. She was 22 years old and she was applying for a teaching 110 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:54,000 position and it hit me. They have no idea it's it's after it's after they 111 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:58,959 were born. Um I'm not that old but I still remember I was in seventh grade. I 112 00:08:55,839 --> 00:09:03,040 lived in Cleveland and the airplane um one of the airplanes at that point had 113 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,680 had turned around and the rumors were that they were over Ohio for a few 114 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,800 minutes and I was in a you know a Jewish school with over a thousand children and 115 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,160 obviously obviously everyone was panicking and we went into lockdown. 116 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,760 I'll never forget that and obviously I can never relate to those who actually 117 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:21,920 lost dear ones in the in the towers or in in Pennsylvania or on the planes. But 118 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,839 a special special thank you to all of the men and women from here from 119 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,399 everywhere who went out of their way to to give up their lives and we all know 120 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,440 what went on down there and to give up their lives from their family and 121 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:39,360 everyone in order to save fellow Americans, your service will never ever 122 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:43,920 go um unnoticed. And I think as educators and those in in public office 123 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:47,600 and really as moms and dads um looking around the room, I think most people 124 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,880 here were born after before 911. But we should do a the best job possible 125 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,160 educating our children, educating the next generations of what happened on 126 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:58,080 that day because, you know, we're running out of people who remember World 127 00:09:55,519 --> 00:10:01,760 War II. And we can't we can't ever forget. We already have deniers to what 128 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:05,680 happened to 911. And we already have unfortunately people who support 911 129 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,440 being elected in in office. And we must stand together as Americans and say 130 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,742 never again. And we have to rise up against hate of all form. Thank you and 131 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:17,880 have a wonderful night. [applause] 132 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Council 133 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Vice President Pomeary. >> Thank you, Clerk. Um, I'm going to kind 134 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:29,839 of talk on it as well, and I don't want to take too much away from the 135 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:34,480 proclamation, but uh, it's a solemn anniversary, the 25th anniversary of of 136 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:39,440 911. It is something that we must always 137 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,920 remember and teach the next generation. Everybody that's a senior in high school 138 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:48,800 right now wasn't even born during 911. So we say never forget, but we really 139 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:54,640 need to, especially those that were alive for it, we need to teach our kids, 140 00:10:52,560 --> 00:11:00,560 our grandkids, and let them really understand what happened, who did it, 141 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:06,959 and why. It's important that we never forget that there almost 3,000 lives 142 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:12,079 that were lost and even after many died because of the uh what they were 143 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:17,040 breathing down there. And to all of our first responders, those that were are 144 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,880 here this evening, those that were there and gave their lives, and those that 145 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,760 unfortunately succumbed to illness thereafter. 146 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,447 They're are heroes. These are our heroes. If we could just give a round of 147 00:11:24,959 --> 00:11:31,720 applause for our heroes that are here [applause] here tonight for doing what 148 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,720 you did. 149 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:42,823 So, may we always remember it. May we be may we be vigil. And uh God bless you 150 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:44,843 all. and God bless America. [applause] 151 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:51,760 » Council member Elli. >> Uh thank you, Clerk Martin. First of 152 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:57,839 all, um my thoughts and prayers are with the mother uh family of the nine-month 153 00:11:54,079 --> 00:12:03,120 baby um who was killed in the MPGs uh parking lot. Should have never happened. 154 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:08,399 Um I see that we are recognizing aspentry experts and it's nice to see uh 155 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:12,880 the Chisum family with us tonight. Um, congratulations on an amazing uh 50 156 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:17,040 years in business. They are a great Jackson family, a great Jacksonbased 157 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:21,680 business who continue to serve and volunteer in our town. Uh, much 158 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:26,240 congratulations to uh, Steve Chisum Senior and your beautiful family and uh, 159 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:31,680 your hardworking staff on building an incredible and successful business right 160 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:34,720 here in Jackson. Uh, I also wish all the kids of Jackson, I know they started 161 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:40,160 school today, including my grandkids, Lucas and Ellie, a fun and rewarding and 162 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:45,200 successful new school year. In closing, I know my colleagues had touched upon 163 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:49,519 the 25th anniversary of 911. Can't believe it's been um that many years 164 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:52,800 since that beautiful Chris September morning that began like any other day 165 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:57,760 and turned very quickly into our nation's worst tragedy. and all of us 166 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:02,720 were deeply affected by the events of September 11, 2001, especially being so 167 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:06,959 close to it in New Jersey. Thank God for the people who got out of the iconic uh 168 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Twin Towers. And we'll always remember the people who perished on that horrific 169 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:16,079 day on the four hijack planes. I think the hardest part um is there were 170 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:19,839 children on some of those planes. Remember those who perished in 171 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,839 buildings, the workers like Ed Oliver and Joe Mangano from Jackson, the 172 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:28,880 visitors to the towers that day. incredibly brave firefighters and police 173 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:33,600 officers. Um, see some of you in our room who serve Jackson and thank you for 174 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:37,200 your service and people who continue to this day to pass away from the results 175 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:42,320 of being exposed to the environment after 911 like Richard Skinner of 176 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:46,399 Jackson who passed away four years ago from working at the World Trade Center 177 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:50,320 attacks. We honor their memories today and always. and we honor the memories of 178 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:55,200 our servicemen and women who have died since then to keep America safe and 179 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:58,399 secure from another terrorist attacks. And please keep your thoughts and 180 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,279 prayers with the people who are still affected and impacted by the events of 181 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:07,760 September 11, 2001. As always, thank you to our first responders. A big way we 182 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,519 can honor those who perished on 911 and afterwards from the effects of 911 is 183 00:14:10,079 --> 00:14:15,920 respecting and supporting our law enforcement officers, first responders, 184 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,839 and military personnel and supporting leaders who will advocate for them and 185 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:23,760 advocate for policies that will keep our great country safe and secure from 186 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:27,600 another 911 from happening. Let our kids be taught the real truth and history of 187 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,519 the events of September 11th, as council president uh Bernstein had alluded to. 188 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:37,055 stop the appeasement and political correctness. So many heroes from that 189 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:39,075 day and afterwards. Thank you, [applause] 190 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,760 » Councilman Brazie. >> Uh yes, thank you. [clears throat] My 191 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:51,199 condolences definitely go out to the parent lost that child with an accident 192 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,040 that should have never happened and uh I guess it's every parent's nightmare if 193 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,880 they have to bury a child. So, my condolences to the family and and really 194 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:03,839 heartfelt. [clears throat] Steve Chisum, I've worked with you for 195 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:08,320 years. Your family can't say enough. You've done a lot for so many people and 196 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:13,279 uh thank you for all your services you've given to the town. I really 197 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:16,959 appreciate it and your family. Talking about 911 real quick. It was 198 00:15:15,199 --> 00:15:22,560 pretty much the area we live in. We got hit pretty hard. Mayor Raina lost his 199 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:27,839 brother. I have St. Veronic's teachers lost their husbands. We lost a coach. It 200 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:31,600 was very heavily felt in this area. Um, and our first responders that went out, 201 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:37,040 I don't know here who's here out of them tonight or some are, but there was uh 202 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,920 three captains. They were officers at the time. There were captains at that 203 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,920 time. They went out there almost immediately for five days and they 204 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:48,800 stayed out there. Captain McBride, Captain Heratco, and Captain Ca all went 205 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,320 out there for five days, stopped very little, ate very little and little water 206 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,880 for five days, and they responded right away. I know other EMTs went out there, 207 00:15:54,959 --> 00:16:00,480 other fire people went out there. God bless them all and God bless their first 208 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:06,720 responders all the time. We really appreciate it. Um 911 is something that 209 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:11,199 is not easy to speak about. It happened. We cannot forget about it. And uh at one 210 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,720 time it pulled this country together and I think that has to happen again. So 211 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:17,959 thank you for coming out this evening. God bless. 212 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,199 Councilman Paul, >> thank you. Uh, you know, I think we're 213 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:30,800 all sharing very similar sentiments tonight. I think that's a good thing. 214 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Uh, what happened to that nine-month old child is absolutely disheartening. Uh, 215 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:40,720 it's sad and it's what every parent fears in their life. And uh we're just 216 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,320 uh want to let the family know, you know, we care about you. There's 217 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:50,800 anything we can do, we are willing to do it. Um just uh you know Jackson cares no 218 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:54,160 matter who you are and you lose a child this community needs to be there for 219 00:16:52,560 --> 00:17:00,240 them and anything we could do that's what we plan to do and uh another solemn 220 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:05,360 occasion of course is 911. Uh you know I'm from Stagger in Staten Island so 221 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:10,240 there was a lot of people from Staten Island that were lost that day. Uh I had 222 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:14,160 a best friend lose his father. Another friend lose his uncle. My brother-in-law 223 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:20,319 was in there. Thank goodness he got out safe. But it it affected so many 224 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:25,280 people's lives. Is an awful tragedy. What followed has been a tragedy, too. 225 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:30,559 Whether it be the the long-term wars, everything that happened after has been 226 00:17:27,919 --> 00:17:37,760 devastating to this country. But the one thing that always stood out was the 227 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:44,559 first responders. They ran in there, giving their lives. Too many. That's 228 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:49,679 bravery. That's courage. That's more than any other person can give, right? 229 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:55,520 Respect that. We respect our first responders in every way possible. And um 230 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:59,840 just thank you guys for what you do and uh let's just uh keep focusing on 231 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:03,200 improving Jackson. I'm I'm very happy with a lot of what the council's doing 232 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:07,760 lately. I think we're doing a lot of good work. I like a lot of these 233 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,640 ordinances and uh you know, little moment of unity is always a good thing 234 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:15,227 and I appreciate what's happening here. Thank you. 235 00:18:13,207 --> 00:18:15,227 » [applause] 236 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:28,919 » Mayor I think you want to go into the proclamation. Floor is yours. 237 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,919 » Thank you, Council President. 238 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Good evening, everyone. As we gather here tonight, we approach a significant 239 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:41,760 moment of remembrance, the 25th anniversary of September 11th, 2001, 240 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:46,880 just a few days away. It is a time for reflection on the profound impact that 241 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:52,080 day had on our nation, our communities, and our lives. As we prepare to mark 242 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:56,880 this solemn anniversary, let us take a moment to honor the lives that were 243 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:01,840 lost, the families forever changed, and the courageous individuals who stepped 244 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:06,640 forward in the face of ultimate sacrifice and danger. On that day, while 245 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:10,080 others were running away from danger, our first responders were running 246 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:14,880 towards it. They made the courageous decision to enter those buildings 247 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:20,080 fulfill fully aware of the risk that they were taking drive driven by one 248 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:24,640 simple mission to protect to rescue and to save lives. 249 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:29,039 Their actions exemplified the very best of America and the spirit of bravery, 250 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,840 sacrifice and service that defines not only our emergency services but our 251 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,679 entire community. As we approach the solemn anniversary, let us remember that 252 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:42,559 the values are emerged by the the tragedy day. Courage, unity, resilience, 253 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:46,880 and the unwavering commitment to one another. In the spirits of remembrance 254 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:49,840 and hope, I would like to ask the council president for permission to 255 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,679 recognize the first responders who are here with us tonight. 256 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:57,200 » Absolutely, Mayor. >> As they're already standing, 257 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,200 » mayor, just if you could just before you that could just explain the process why 258 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:07,679 we picked the ones who are here. So what I did was um I was at an OEM meeting and 259 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:10,320 it was approaching uh 911 and I just had said we really should do something. I 260 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:15,440 don't know what we do but it's coming up on the 25th uh year anniversary and we 261 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:19,600 would like to give it out to any of our police, EMS, fire department, anybody 262 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:23,200 that wanted to come who wanted to offer that we could have them. I was hoping to 263 00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:26,720 honestly have the room filled with everybody just to remember and thank 264 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:31,280 them. Um that they're still here with us 25 years later because I know that when 265 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,799 this time comes around um everybody reflects. I know I reflected all weekend 266 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:38,559 and we just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for being here, have you in 267 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:43,600 uniform and say a couple words and just create a proclamation that's uniform for 268 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:47,120 everyone that was there. Um and just read it and again give them something 269 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,960 that they know that we have not forgotten just like the youth that's 270 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:55,919 sitting up here. um they can get to see that we do remember, we do appreciate 271 00:20:53,600 --> 00:21:02,559 and we do forever hold you in our hearts and thank you. So with that being said, 272 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:07,494 um we have Chief Stanley O'Brien Senior here. Thank you, sir. 273 00:21:05,474 --> 00:21:07,494 [applause] 274 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:16,009 Fire Commissioner Alfred Cuchiniro, [applause] 275 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:23,214 Firefighter Steve Gibson, [applause] 276 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:29,109 Chaplain Revlin Dan Schaefer, [applause] 277 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:39,589 firefighter Jimmy Kellen, retired um FDNY firefighter, 278 00:21:37,569 --> 00:21:39,589 » [applause] 279 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:47,450 » firefighter Brian Alysia. [applause] 280 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:58,640 Um, also just to give our chief from EMS, he was the only first responder 281 00:21:54,559 --> 00:22:03,120 from EMS to to uh attend. I would also like to to be on ground zero. I would 282 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:07,520 also like to ask anyone that is here this evening who was present at ground 283 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:12,940 zero or directly involved in the responsing and recovering efforts to 284 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,960 please stand to be recognized. [applause] 285 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:30,240 If if you don't mind, if if you're able to, I'd like you to continue to stand as 286 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,679 I read the pro proclamation in your honor tonight. And then at the end of 287 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:38,960 reading the proclamation, I'm going to ask the first responders and anybody 288 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:43,120 that would like to come up, I have uh uh proclamations signed by uh the mayor and 289 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,559 council in your honor that you could take home. And if anyone would like has 290 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,520 a first responder at home or anybody that they would like to give one on 291 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,880 behalf of Jackson, we would like to give that to you. So they are sitting up at 292 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:57,360 the front. I'm going to read the proclamation now and then the reverend 293 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,559 is going to say a couple words. Proclamation honoring the first 294 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:06,559 responders on the 25th anniversary of September 11th, 2001. Whereas September 295 00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:10,640 11, 2001 remains one of the most solemn and defying days in the history of our 296 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,080 nation when our country suffered an unexpected 297 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:19,600 uh terrorist attack that claimed the lives of nearly 3,000 innocent people, 298 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:24,640 including firefighters, police officers, emergency responders, and countless uh 299 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:28,240 civilians. And whereas in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, law 300 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,919 enforcement officers and emergency personnels from communities throughout 301 00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:36,000 New Jersey and across the nation answered the call without hesitation, 302 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,799 leaving their families and their communities behind to enter into an 303 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:45,679 environment of unimaginable danger and uncertainty in the order to help those 304 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:51,039 in need and support the massive recovery efforts at the World Trade Center site. 305 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:56,320 And whereas the first responders who answered the call on September 11, 2001 306 00:23:54,159 --> 00:24:01,200 ran towards danger while others sought safety, placing the lives and well-being 307 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:06,720 of others before their own and embodying the highest ideal of service and 308 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:12,720 sacrifice. And whereas we honor the validant men and women who lost their 309 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:17,120 lives that day and as well as those who survived and continue to serve despite 310 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:22,320 the physical and emotional burdens they carry in the years that follow. And 311 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:26,720 whereas 25 years later, the courage displayed on September 11th, 2001 312 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:31,679 continues to inspire generations and reminds us of the importance and the 313 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:36,640 compassion, unity, and preparedness and a steadfast commitment to serving others 314 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,559 even amid extraordinary dangers and adversary. And whereas on this 315 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:46,000 anniversary, it is fitting and proper that we pause 316 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:50,480 to remember that we lost honor those who served, recognize those who continue to 317 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:55,200 answer the call, and reaffirm our enduring gratitude to all first 318 00:24:53,039 --> 00:25:00,400 responders who protected and care for our communities each and every day. And 319 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:04,799 now therefore, be it a proclamation that I, Jennifer Cune, Mayor of Township of 320 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,120 Jackson, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, together with the Jackson 321 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:14,640 Township Council, do hereby recognize the 25th anniversary of September 11, 322 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:19,360 2001, and commemorate not only the events of that tragic day, but also the 323 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:24,960 bravery, service, loyalty, and commitment of those who responded to 324 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:29,520 help our community endure and recover during one of its darkest hours. Be it a 325 00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:33,440 further proclamation that on the township of Jackson and its residents 326 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:38,159 unite in remembering the victims of September 11th, honoring the courageous 327 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,600 first responders both from our very own Township of Jackson and from our 328 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:46,960 communities across the nation who answered the call to serve, support the 329 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:52,799 families affected by this tragic day and reaffirming that the heroic hero heroic 330 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:56,880 sorry heroic actions, selfless sacrifices, and the lives forever 331 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,880 touched by September 11th and remain forever remembered and never forgotten. 332 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:05,523 Thank you. Everyone, please come forward. Mayor, [applause] 333 00:26:13,328 --> 00:26:15,348 [applause] 334 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:21,440 I'm going to ask all the all those who responded to come forward. And Reverend 335 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,640 Dan Schaefer, if you can say a few words, Reverend from the mic if you if 336 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,279 you don't mind and everyone can sit down. 337 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Thank you. 338 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:46,000 Dan Schaefer. I'm a resident of Jackson for many years. On 911, I was contacted 339 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:55,440 by Port Authority and I was assigned doing chapency and uh 340 00:26:51,760 --> 00:27:03,600 management of emotions and did many many services, many funerals. 341 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:10,080 Five of my best friends uh have since gone on to be with the Lord and u it 342 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:15,919 just was a great honor. Nobody ever thought that we would have to face what 343 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:19,760 we faced in those days. And like I said, there's so many today 344 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:25,279 that we can't forget those that are still paying the price. They're still 345 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:30,000 suffering and many have died. So I'd like I'd like those people that 346 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:34,480 stood up before. Would you you guys or Gand up again if you were there please? 347 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:42,320 You stood up before you served there. >> There's one more on the side. Good. 348 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:50,000 I'd like us to have a moment of silence and you pray as you pray 349 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:56,080 and ask God that never again. That was one of the sayings at Port Authority. 350 00:27:53,120 --> 00:28:02,640 N said never again. And we hope and pray that it'll never ever happen again. So 351 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:07,200 we bow our heads please. Almighty God, here we are the greatest the greatest 352 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:13,760 country in the world. some of the greatest people in the world. We thank 353 00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:20,080 you for the soldiers, whether they were police, fire, EMS, iron workers, they're 354 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:25,360 all soldiers. They're all warriors. They came to the call and they stood tall. 355 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:30,640 They didn't think of themselves. They thought of others. So, we thank you for 356 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:38,559 this opportunity from Jackson. Just remember, we will never forget. And I 357 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:42,320 pray for my six my five friends who were who lost their lives there that you 358 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,720 would continue to support their families. 359 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:50,240 We ask this in your holy name. Everybody said amen. 360 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:53,679 » Amen. Thank you. >> Thank you Reverend. Now those who sir if 361 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:59,600 you can come in the middle and council will stand behind. Um 362 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,880 and mayor I'm also going to ask those residents who are not who come up also. 363 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,640 I think I saw three residents stand up before. If you can come up also if you 364 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:12,320 if you're comfortable coming up. Um okay, no fine. Um Reverend, can we move 365 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,320 over more to the middle? Um Mr. Couturro and 366 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760 tell us when to stop here. 367 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,000 And I just want to add one more message. Anyone who has an American flag or 368 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,000 doesn't have one, let's all put it out for 911. Let's remember these heroes and 369 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,520 let's remember all those who continue to volunteer daily to make our keep our 370 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:08,530 country safe. God bless you and God bless America. 371 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:08,530 [applause] 372 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,960 » We're going to take a 30 second uh just to clear. 373 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:21,840 » And anyone who wants proclamations, the mayor is going to give them out in the 374 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,960 hallway if you have a family member who couldn't make it tonight or if you know 375 00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:27,760 of a neighbor or someone who you think would appreciate it. And if not, feel 376 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:35,960 free to reach out to the mayor's office tomorrow. Um, and uh, we will we want to 377 00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:35,960 honor as many of those who served. 378 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,039 Wait a minute. 379 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,640 I'm just going to wait for them to go out. 380 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,919 And just because I saw a head of our EMS here, I just want to take a moment and 381 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:58,640 just thank him. um recently has been obviously a tragedy and the professional 382 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,919 work of EMS together with and I see one of the members who I saw in some of the 383 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:06,080 pictures who volunt who who showed up to the scene of that ter that terrible 384 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,960 tragedy from Atala just want to recognize them working together to make 385 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,399 sure that any victim no matter who and no matter what receive the proper cure 386 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:20,240 that they deserve. So, congrat Thank you for your service to our local um 387 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:25,111 responders and uh we hope to never need our first responders for anything other 388 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:27,131 than a child birth. Thank you. [applause] 389 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:35,840 And now now on to town business. The next item on the agenda is the 390 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:42,399 second reading and public hearing of ordinance 202626 repealing and replacing 391 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,360 township code section 245-5. At this time, if any member of the 392 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,080 public has any comments to make, please address the council at the microphone 393 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,039 and state your name and address clearly for the record. You have five minutes to 394 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,799 speak and may only speak once. May I have a motion to open public comment? 395 00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:54,640 » Motion. >> Second. 396 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,679 » All in favor? >> I. 397 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:02,000 » Any opposed? >> Council see no one come forward. Motion 398 00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:04,480 to close public forum. >> Second. 399 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:08,080 » All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? 400 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:14,399 May I have a motion to adopt ordinance 2026 26? Motion. Second. 401 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,679 I'm sorry. Who's the second? >> Councilman Breie. 402 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,760 » Thank you. >> Council member Belli. 403 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,440 » Yes. >> Councilman Breie. 404 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,279 » Yes. >> Councilman Pollock. 405 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,360 » Yes. >> Council Vice President Paul Mary. 406 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,159 » Yes. >> Council President Bernstein. 407 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,559 » Yes. And again, I want to thank our friends from Howell who came to that 408 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:36,320 meeting and brought this up. And um I think this will be an extra another 409 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:40,320 extra deterrent. And I'm hoping that our municipal courts and our prosecutors uh 410 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:45,840 take this seriously. um and make sure that sometimes a higher 411 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,519 fine and a recurring fine is what deters people from from doing wrong. And um we 412 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:53,440 have to protect our neighborhoods, we have to protect our communities and uh I 413 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,320 I appreciate council's uh unanimous support in that. So yes, 414 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:03,279 » the next item on the agenda is the second reading and public hearing of 415 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:06,960 ordinance 2026 27 authorizing the execution of a deed conveying all right, 416 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840 title, and interest. >> Madam clerk, 417 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,880 » so I'm just for the public. So, I had some back and forth with attorney 418 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:16,799 mcuckin today and then I had the opportunity in speaking to everyone from 419 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,679 council before. Um, I am going to be asking in a minute for a motion to table 420 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,519 this ordinance and I just want to give a little background. So, this ordinance 421 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:30,240 came um from a developer who had an agreement with the now defunct um um 422 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,720 commission for industrial commission, sorry, industrial 423 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:39,120 commission. and um there are legal complaints that he has feeling that this 424 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:42,640 was supposed to be something that he receives. By the last meeting, one of 425 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,919 the questions was asked at all the taxes that were paid over the years and how 426 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:49,039 does that work? Additionally, I brought up to attorney McCain and you know, 427 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:51,679 Attorney Mccucken is not the one who's involved with our affordable housing 428 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,919 litigation. I think another resident brought up certain concerns also. This 429 00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:00,880 um property is one of those who is currently suing the town um for some of 430 00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:05,120 his affordable housing complaints. This property was zoned as R9 single family 431 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:10,879 homes and he's asking for a density of somewhere between I think eight or 12 432 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:14,079 units per per acre um in an highly dense already area. Um I think there are 433 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:19,200 questions that need to be answered before this moves forward and I want to 434 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:23,599 make sure that we are um going through all possible avenues and if we have to 435 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,800 have that conversation um with their attorney. Um, I would like to ask 436 00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:29,760 council to make a motion to table and I would like to ask attorney mcuckin if 437 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,839 you could reach out to that attorney again and get more clarity uh making 438 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,599 sure that we're not rushing in without all all the information possible. So, 439 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:43,200 council, what do we have? >> Motion to table ordinance 2026-27. 440 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,359 » Second. >> Councilman Brell, 441 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,800 » yes. >> Council Brassie, 442 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,879 » yes. >> Councilman Pollock, 443 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,720 » yes. >> Council Vice President Paul Mary, 444 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,079 » yes. >> Council President Bernstein, 445 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:56,399 » yes. And again, council, legal counsel, it's my understanding we table if we 446 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440 would want to introduce it, we'd have to go to a first reading again. 447 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,839 » No, you would just be able to republish the notice if you choose to do so. 448 00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:04,640 » Okay. >> Um, and we will be in contact with their 449 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,760 attorney. There are a couple of questions that have come up since at the 450 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,240 last meeting and since then. I just want to confirm 451 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,160 » and I appreciate the council's tableling. 452 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:17,040 » Okay. Thank you. So motion passes to table for now, madam cler. 453 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,320 » Thank you. The next item on the agenda is the first 454 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,760 reading and introduction of ordinance 202628 amending and supplementing 455 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:29,119 chapter 103 entitled vehicle and traffic article 14 schedules. Council President 456 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,119 Bernstein, are there any comments? >> Yeah, Madam Cler, hold on one second. I 457 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:36,880 apologize. My notes are a little bit all over the place here tonight. Here it is. 458 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,920 So, this ordinance, if adopted, would establish an additional no parking zone 459 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,079 along the eastern side of Gail Chambers Road from Sam's Road to Cook South 460 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,520 Cooksbridge Road and was requested by the Jackson Township PD Traffic Safety 461 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,480 Bureau. But I just want to add this ordinance also came from there were 462 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,480 multiple residents who reached out to myself. Um, I was actually on I was on 463 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,680 the phone. It was raining and we met a bunch of residents out there. Um, this 464 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,000 is something that the residents in the neighborhood feel would be in the best 465 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,040 interest of the safety of the neighborhood and this is an 466 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,560 introduction. and I would like to have that conversation going forward about 467 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,560 this issue. 468 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:13,040 » May I have a motion to approve ordinance 202620 and first reading introduction 469 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,280 and to authorize the notice of the public hearing? 470 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,359 » Motion. >> Second. 471 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,640 » Councilman Brellley. >> Um this is rel related to which 472 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,680 ordinance are we referring? >> This is the no parking on um 473 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,440 » sorry on Gail Chambers and part of Sam's on one side. 474 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:35,920 » Okay. Now, is there the use that's there is it current do 475 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:38,720 they receive the required and necessary permits? 476 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,400 » So, because I feel like we're again like with some of the roads in our town, 477 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,520 » we're just putting a temporary effect. >> Sure. So, I had that conversation with 478 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:49,359 the residents over there and I definitely hear that perspective. So 479 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,800 far, zoning has deemed the use over there to be a permitted use um based on 480 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:57,680 the fact that all the permits were acquired. Um and um the conversation 481 00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:01,119 I've had with the residents who don't use that use in the neighborhood was 482 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,960 that that was where this where this ordinance request came from and I told 483 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,520 them I would submit it and then I would welcome all council members in the next 484 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,880 two weeks to go down and better understand the issue that's going on in 485 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,359 that neighborhood. And we c we have two weeks now. I think this council has 486 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,680 shown that after we introduce something, it's not an automatically um a yes vote 487 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,000 on the second on the second, but that's that's where it came from. And I and I 488 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:25,119 don't mind contact um in um after the meeting giving you the some of those 489 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,680 emails that came from some of those residents requesting it through traffic 490 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:33,680 safety. >> Okay. Well, for now I'm going to vote 491 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,880 no. Just going to do my due diligence in the next couple of weeks. Um I just feel 492 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,200 like this is definitely different from Woodlane. Woodlane, I know we approved 493 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:48,480 no parking on that street. It's a very busy area of our town. That was 494 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:51,920 definitely um something that was needed that needed to be done. It was 495 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,320 understandable. Um it's a long stretch of road, but this is a neighborhood that 496 00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:02,160 I'm we're referring to. I just want to make sure like what's going on there is 497 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:06,640 being uh done abiding by the laws that we have on the books currently and that 498 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:12,480 we're not just, you know, having a temporary solution to fix um a 499 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:17,079 problem to accommodate possibly an illegal use that might be going on. 500 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,839 » I vote no at this time. >> Council member Brazie, 501 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,160 » thank you. >> Yeah, I understand this also was 502 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:30,040 recommended by the police department. It's the first reading. We can still 503 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,040 look on it all vote. Yes. 504 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:42,240 » Any vote? Yes, madam clerk. >> Thank you, Councilman Pollock. 505 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:48,320 » All right. So, this is a lot of the issues we face in Jackson, right? Um, 506 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:53,440 uh, crushed by a lawsuit, uh, forced non-residential uses in our residential 507 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:59,359 neighborhoods. We got to figure this out because it's it's hurting the community. 508 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:03,200 It's getting people angry. We have to come together and figure out 509 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,760 how to make this better. Do it in a legal way that's not going to cause 510 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:12,880 problems. Find some kind of compromise because this is the stuff everybody's 511 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:17,200 sick of. Um I get it. We want safety. There's issues being created, but people 512 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,400 have lived here for 20, 30, 40, 50 generations, and they're seeing 513 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:27,760 everything change in a way they don't like. and we got to figure this out. Um, 514 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,359 for tonight I'm going to be a no, but you know, 515 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:34,880 I I don't know if it carries through. I I'd be happy to go to the area and talk 516 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,800 with people and and my vote could change if I think it's going to improve things 517 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,480 and make it safer there. But, uh, for now, it's a no because I'm kind of tired 518 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,599 of these things and, uh, hopefully we can figure something out in the future. 519 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,680 And that's that's the idea. All right. Thank you, though, 520 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,119 » Council Vice President Pomeary. So, what I'd like and I'm going to ask 521 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,480 residents that are here tonight and who may be watching um I would like to hear 522 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:03,599 your perspective if this goes to a second uh reading in two weeks. So, 523 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:08,960 please come out, let us know uh if you're for this and if you or if you're 524 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:13,599 opposed to this. Um I'm unsure, but I would like to give the 525 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,320 residents the opportunity to come up here and voice their opinion. So, I am 526 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:22,160 going to vote yes, not because I'm necessarily voting yes in two weeks. Not 527 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:26,000 because I agree with this, and I agree with a lot of what Councilman Burelli 528 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,000 and Councilman Pollock have said. We can't just keep um putting no parking 529 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:35,119 everywhere because that's not going to fix a problem, a systemic problem. 530 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,720 However, for those that live here in these areas, please come out in two 531 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,160 weeks and provide us with your perspective. And that's how I will 532 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,400 decide how I will vote in two weeks from now. Thank you. 533 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:51,040 Council President Bernstein. >> So, first of all, I I thank the council 534 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:54,240 for that for that back and forth. Um, I was originally when the when the res 535 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,920 first residents reached out to me in the area, I had similar thoughts to 536 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:03,280 Councilman Pollock and uh Councilman Belli with some of the concerns. Um, and 537 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:06,640 I did go out, like I said before, on a rainy day. I met with the residents who 538 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,359 were advocating for it. And actually, some of the other residents in the 539 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,480 neighborhood weren't so happy about it because, you know, they were losing some 540 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:17,920 of their parking spots. Um, and you know, I had conversations for about a 541 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,440 week or so with with with a lot of different residents um, with what was 542 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:25,760 going on in the neighborhood and this seemed to be a compromise that they 543 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:29,440 supported, but I I definitely do agree with Councilman Pulary. I hope that 544 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,839 people from that neighborhood um, I'm not sure if they knew it was on the 545 00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:36,319 agenda this week. I did tell one person, but I will reach out after this meeting 546 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,280 and let them know. I would like to see the room full with residents from that 547 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,040 neighborhood, let them express what they think is in the best interest of their 548 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,400 neighborhood. and and Councilman Pollock and Belli and and really everyone here. 549 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,760 I will after the meeting either tonight or tomorrow depending what time we end, 550 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,960 I will um forward some of the emails that I received and some of the 551 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,920 background and then help help feel free to reach out to those residents who 552 00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,240 asked for this um to make a more informed decision and I vote yes just to 553 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,599 move it forward. Council President, one thing. Um, for those that may not be 554 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:08,319 able to make it here in two weeks, uh, if you would permit, can the township 555 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,440 social media pages put this ordinance out and ask solicit feedback so we can 556 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:15,599 get emailed as well as on social media? So, if they're not able to make any 557 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,079 tweets, I still would like to their perspective. 558 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,000 » So, business administrator um, Terafenco, I see some of our our media 559 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,280 team is here. Um, if you give permission, I will reach out to them 560 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,880 tomorrow and uh, ask him to put something out. But again, I think this 561 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,680 is knowing the neighborhood and going know going down there a couple times. I 562 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,760 think this is a neighborhood question that needs to be discussed and obviously 563 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:39,359 we take everyone's, you know, view into into account, but I really want to hear 564 00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:42,560 from the the residents in that neighborhood on both sides of the aisle 565 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:46,720 and all all sides of the aisle really over there with what they think is going 566 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:50,480 to be in the best interest of of their neighborhood. Um, I think Councilman 567 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,880 Pollock said, you know, there are uses that are going on in in various 568 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:59,599 neighborhoods and like I said, we went through a history in litigation and some 569 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:03,359 of those uses um are now permitted uses within those neighborhoods and we have 570 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:07,760 to make sure that we are doing our best to while to find that compromised road. 571 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,160 So, I can go both ways by the next meeting also. So, we'll have that 572 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:16,319 conversation. So, yes. >> Thank you. Motion carries. 573 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,119 The next item on the agenda is the first reading introduction of ordinance 202629 574 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,119 repealing and replacing chapter 350. Council President Bernstein, are any 575 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,319 comments? >> Yes. So, um, I'll read my prepared 576 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,119 comments and I'll add on. This ordinance, if adopted, would amend the 577 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:33,040 town of short-term rental ordinance to prohibit rental residential rentals of 578 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,640 less than 90 days as opposed to up to 30 days, which is currently prohibited. It 579 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,160 would also allow no more than two 90-day rentals in any 12 day 12-month period. 580 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,760 And before I I ask my colleagues if they if they have anything they want to add. 581 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:48,000 This came from a resident in the crowd. I'm not sure if she's here today. Um I 582 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,560 think she is. Uh I see her here. This idea came from her. Obviously had a 583 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:53,920 little bit of compromise and back and forth. Um thank you attorney McGuckin 584 00:43:52,560 --> 00:44:00,240 who really looked into this about the constitutionality of some of the of of 585 00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:04,960 of banning the short-term rentals. Um I think this is a very fair compromise. Um 586 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,640 the the reality is no one in Jackson wants people moving in every month into 587 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,599 onto their block at transient. It it's not good for the neighborhood. There's 588 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,119 no sense of community, but obviously when people don't live, they don't have 589 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,680 sense of pride in their community, and I think this could lead to issues. Um when 590 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,680 the draft was first prepared, I thought it was going to be a one 90-day rental. 591 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,440 I had this conversation with Councilman Belli. He actually want to point it out 592 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,800 to me rightfully so that the Edentown ordinance which we're using as our base 593 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:36,640 over here from a legal perspective a little bit had too um so I think this is 594 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,520 a a a major step in the right direction and again I just want the residents to 595 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:44,720 know you come to a council meeting you bring up ideas um we we're listening 596 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:48,319 we're trying and um I was very impressed with the feedback um we sent out this 597 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:51,440 draft we're trying to do a little bit earlier to all the council we got great 598 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,480 feedback and it was a great conversation for the past week so and councilman vice 599 00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:56,160 council vice president I know you to say something. 600 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,880 » Yes. Thank you, council president. So, just to add to to what this ordinance is 601 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,880 and after that resident came up uh few meetings ago, it really set a a fire in 602 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,160 my in my belly with this. I wanted to get some on the book strong. Actually, 603 00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:11,280 this is like a 70% compromise. What I wanted, you can ask council president 604 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,800 Bernstein. I I actually wanted it a little bit more heavy-handed, but our uh 605 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:20,319 legal team advised that that probably wouldn't be appropriate. So, we did the 606 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:24,480 strongest we could with within staying in a legal format. And I even went back 607 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,280 and forth a few times with Councilman Pollock on this as well. We we were kind 608 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:34,720 of trying to uh get something that was enforcable and had some some meat on it. 609 00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:39,920 So, just quickly to kind of go over some highlights, it's stronger, legally 610 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,920 enforcable ordinance, clear rules, clear violations, clear penalties, gives the 611 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,079 township real tools to act when violations occur. Uh it protects 612 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:54,560 residential neighborhoods. It prevents homes from being routinely operated as a 613 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:58,400 short-term hotel or Airbnb. And it states in there, shall not enter into a 614 00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:03,440 short-term rental agreement more than two times in any 12-month period. So, if 615 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,319 they if they rent out their home short-term for 90 days, they do it 616 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,480 twice, the other six months, they can't do it. So, how many landlords are going 617 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:14,640 to want to sit on six months of not collecting rent? 618 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:18,000 It helps address noise, traffic, parking, and neighborhood quality of 619 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,440 life concerns. Commercial short-term rentals are 620 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:26,000 prohibited. Residential invest uh investment 621 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,640 commercial rental properties cannot be used for short-term rentals. And here's 622 00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:34,760 a caveat to this, which I'm ex I'm very happy about that we're reiterating. 623 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,920 Pool and backyards cannot be rented separately. No renting residential 624 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:47,280 amenities for parties, gatherings, or other commercial purposes. 625 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:52,720 Stops de facto rooming houses. Multiple rooms cannot be rented to separate 626 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:58,000 tenants. Very limited allowance for one room, one tenant with strict 627 00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:04,000 requirements. Owner must actually live there. For permitted single room rental, 628 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:08,480 the homeowner must be owner occupied yearround. 629 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:13,440 Inspections and registration is required. Rental co township 630 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:19,599 registration, insurance, parking and compliance with health, fire, zoning and 631 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:24,000 safety and occupancy codes. Illegal and this is another good one. Illegal 632 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,800 advertising prohibited gives us enforcement avenues when prohibiting 633 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:34,560 rental prohibited rentals are being advertised online. Real enforcement 634 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:38,640 authority. Not only can code enforcement enforce this, and we know code 635 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:43,200 enforcement, they don't work 247, but who does? Our police department. So, not 636 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,560 only can code enforcement enforce this, but so can our police department. They 637 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:52,319 can enforce this ordinance and meaningful fines. First offense, $500. 638 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,359 Second offense, a,000. Third offense, $2,000. And guess what? After your third 639 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,599 offense, every day, if we wanted to, we could find you $2,000 per day. So, 640 00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:04,079 continuing violations can result in daily fines. So, my takeaway, we didn't 641 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,680 want an ordinance that simply looked good on paper. We wanted something 642 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:11,280 clear, legally enforceable, and capable of protecting Jackson residential 643 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:16,960 neighborhoods while respecting legitimate property rights. And that's 644 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:21,599 why I'm happy that we are starting to accomplish this here. 645 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,000 » Thank you, [applause] >> Madam Clerk. 646 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:31,280 May I have a motion to approve ordinance 2026 29 on first reading and 647 00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:34,240 introduction and to authorize the notice of the public hearing. 648 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,000 » Motion second. >> Councilman Brellley. 649 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:37,359 » Yes. >> Council Brassie. 650 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,480 » Yes. >> Councilman Pollock. 651 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,760 » I think uh Councilman Palmary laid it out very well for everybody. Uh I think 652 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:48,800 this is a good ordinance. I think it's a great step. Uh we're defining things. We 653 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:52,800 are are putting language to help enforce our rules. And uh it's definitely 654 00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:56,960 getting a yes from me tonight. Good job, guys. 655 00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:00,800 Council Vice President Paul Mary. >> Yes. And this is your government working 656 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,440 together. So this is something to be really proud of. We're working together 657 00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:06,480 and we're getting things done. So absolutely. Yes. 658 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:11,359 » Council President Bernstein. >> So before I vote again, I just want to 659 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:16,559 thank the entire council. Um I think uh Councilman Paul Mary was definitely on 660 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:20,160 my back about this also and I appreciate it. He reached out some of the other 661 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,680 members um and and kept me informed with what really what the consensus is. And 662 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:28,160 thank you, Nino, for for your input on that. Also, um I think this is long 663 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,920 overdue. I'm going to request I I know this is a constant conversation I've had 664 00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:36,240 with Mayor Cun is we can pass all the laws possible, but enforcement is the 665 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,359 key. Um business administrator Terafenkco before we go for a second 666 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,800 reading. I would request that you can send this to Chief Nelson YC is here to 667 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:49,040 code enforcement um director or chair Mr. Cheney um getting their input on 668 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,040 this also because these are obviously code and PD you know have some 669 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:56,480 authority. I would also would recommend if this can be sent to the court because 670 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,280 we want to make sure we've had in the past where ordinances have been passed 671 00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:03,200 and then the court came back whether it's a prosecutor and the municipal 672 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,480 judge with concerns with some of the state guidelines. I I know we put a lot 673 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:10,880 of time and energy into this but I want to make sure they're all okay with it, 674 00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:15,040 you know, moving forward. Um I think Councilman uh Paul Mary said it well. 675 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,680 Um, this is everyone working together and really now what I'm looking forward 676 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,800 hopefully seeing is all of our departments. There's obviously a rental 677 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,079 aspect of this. We need the housing rental bureau. We need code enforcement. 678 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,720 We need a lot of our departments working together and um I I think they will, but 679 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,280 we need you to to do that part. So, I'm just going to ask for that, you know, 680 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:36,319 for that to be done. I will follow up with you tomorrow and I vote yes. 681 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,520 » Motion carries. The next item on the agenda is the first 682 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,079 reading and introduction of ordinance 202630 amending township code chapter 683 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:48,720 103 entitled vehicles and traffic section 103-43 684 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,119 entitled vehicles prohibited certain hours. Council President Bernstein are 685 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,800 any comments? >> Yes. This ordinance if adopted would re 686 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,440 would restate the township's ordinance provisions with respect to the parking 687 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,400 commercial vehicles and more specifically unhitched trailers and 688 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,680 township roadway. just to give the background to this and you know someone 689 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:07,280 asked I I saw this on social media and I'll just have a kudos about making sure 690 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,800 people have a better understanding of where ordinances come the sponsor and 691 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,680 you know I think in this council so far there's been a lot of sponsors this 692 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,760 sponsor actually comes from Sergeant Hemba um he sent this Councilman Palmer 693 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,720 you on the emails there was a little bit of back and forth on some of that um and 694 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,839 I I delayed a little bit because I really wanted to make sure I fully 695 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,480 understood the issue in the past two weeks I've been driving around town a 696 00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:32,319 little bit more and getting a better understanding This would in would this 697 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,960 would prohibit an unhitched trailer from being left on the road. You obviously if 698 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,160 you're doing construction, you can leave it on your driveway but not on the 699 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,359 roadways. And again, this goes to enforcement. I know our traffic safety, 700 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:45,200 I don't know if we have the numbers, they've been giving out a lot of tickets 701 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,640 recently on on roadway issues. Um, which is I think fantastic. And hopefully this 702 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:52,880 is something that Sergeant Hemp and his team will take a lead on it. If I can 703 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:56,640 add also, you know, just just to be clear, this as the council president had 704 00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:01,040 said, this was brought to our attention from traffic safety and they were having 705 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:05,839 a major concern. And the concern was that these trailers are unhitching and 706 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:10,640 leaving their unhitched trailer for days on end. And there was no ordinance that 707 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:16,880 our uh police department could ticket these trailers. And if tow ticket Yeah. 708 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:21,359 toe if an ambulance a fire truck had to get down it was could potentially cause 709 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:24,480 a problem because this unhitched trailer was there. So you can't unhitch and 710 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,520 leave it. Now that doesn't mean you can't have a hitch trailer for a moment 711 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,720 to unload something and then and then go about your business. You just can 712 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,079 unhitch your trailer and leave it there indefinitely because it's a traffic 713 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:37,119 safety concern for our uh >> and just a question that came up today. 714 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:40,640 A resident called me on the way to the meeting today with I think a great 715 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,000 question. Unfortunately, and I just want to clarify, Attorney McGucken, this 716 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,079 would not apply to county roads, right? This is only municipal roads because we 717 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,040 don't have that's that's correct. So, I had recently we did another ordinance 718 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,280 that affected municipal roads. I sent an email to the county which I have not 719 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,880 heard back. I'm going to follow up again. This is something I would request 720 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:01,359 a county to look in on the county roads. I can see there's 30 something towns in 721 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,640 Ocean County and um I can't imagine any town would have an issue on this. So, we 722 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,839 are going to be reaching out to our county colleagues because we have a lot 723 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,200 of county roads and the roadway the resident mentioned to me earlier was a 724 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,839 county roadway which unfortunately this this this would not apply to but yes um 725 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:19,359 that's the background. Madam clerk, >> I have a motion to approve ordinance 726 00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,839 202630 on first reading and introduction and to authorize the notice of the 727 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,240 public hearing. >> Motion second. 728 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,160 » Council member Brley. >> Yes. 729 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,240 » Council Brassie. >> Yes. Especially a trailer not most of 730 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:33,839 the time won't have lights on it and just sitting out there at night. You can 731 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,839 see it. >> Councilman Pollock. 732 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,440 » Yes. >> Council Vice President Paul Mary. 733 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,359 » Yes. And thank you to our traffic safety bureau for bringing this to our 734 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:44,480 attention. >> Council President Bernstein. 735 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,440 » Yes. And I'm actually going to thank the mayor. I know this is something I think 736 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:51,520 all sides politically could agree to. We need more guys and and men and women in 737 00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:55,760 traffic safety. And I think that's an area that we put a tremendous emphasis 738 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,200 in the past I would say three months. last year. I I think the line that went 739 00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:01,839 around was that there was no one on the roads. There are people there are men 740 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,720 and women on the roads now. It's quite clear. So, thank you, Chief, for your 741 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:08,960 leadership on that. Thank you to I think it's Captain Rodriguez and uh and I 742 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:14,079 think Sergeant Hemba on on on really following up. And just to put it out 743 00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:17,440 there, um the you know, the officers in this department are giving tickets to 744 00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:20,800 anyone they see. No special fa no special favorites. I know I saw that 745 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,480 online. Um they are literally giving tickets left and right. I'm getting 746 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:28,240 calls at what is going on in Jackson and you know ladies and gentlemen, drive 747 00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:31,119 carefully, park safely and please keep our roads uncluttered and so people the 748 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,400 roads could be used for what they're meant for. 749 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,880 » So yes, >> motion carries. Thank you. The next item 750 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:44,160 of business is the authorization of payment for bills and claims. 751 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:48,720 » Madam clerk, >> thank you. The following abstensions 752 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:51,720 apply to Council President Paul Mary B141791 753 00:54:52,880 --> 00:55:05,280 and Councilman Brley Ae1 D1 E Y1 NJ4 R U T04 and R U T11. 754 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,760 Um as >> Madame Clerk, um I just want to add I 755 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:13,599 don't know if any other obstensions. So on page two of the bills, there's a 756 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,400 vendor which I think we've brought up in the past. I'm not sure why it's back on 757 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:21,520 here, but I never got a great answer, so I would like to pull it. Is the vendor 758 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:25,760 Empusio and Mcderma, which is a former labor council. Um, and I would like a 759 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,119 little bit more clarity. Obviously, if they did work while they were still the 760 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,240 labor council, they deserve to get paid and they legally have to be get paid, 761 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:37,520 but I'm asking if we can pull that further review. Um, secondly, I just I 762 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,480 just want to reiterate for for also for our business administrator. I know I had 763 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,119 this conversation with him earlier is the way the bills people have asked 764 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:46,400 about the bills list if it could be done a little differently. We use a certain 765 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:50,720 system. This is the way it generates and once the system is pulled once the 766 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,880 checks are pulled um we could only pull it publicly up here. Um, and I am going 767 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,599 to ask our business administrator if you could have if we could have a 768 00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:00,559 conversation with our finance team because this is something I noticed 769 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,200 earlier in the week before our council got it and I would have pulled it 770 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:07,119 earlier but I just didn't have a way because once it's generated the only way 771 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:10,160 to do is white out and if we put white on on the bills and claims I think 772 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:13,680 people would be asking me what was uh the conspiracy theories would be coming 773 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,040 out so it's on but I like to pull that. Additionally, there was an add-on um 774 00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:21,119 which we added right before the meeting which I mentioned earlier for a hand 775 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:24,160 check which was signed already by the business administrator. Obviously, it 776 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:29,520 can't go out until council votes on it for $2,885 777 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:36,920 to the Ocean County Soil Conservation District which would be the permitting 778 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,920 process for Roa Farms long overdue. 779 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,880 » Thank you. Are there any additional comments? Um, council president, if I 780 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,079 may see something that stood out on the bills and claims, and we're trying to re 781 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:51,760 in spending, I know, especially after the, 782 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:59,760 » you know, the last budget. Um, CW 01 office renewal for 90,000 783 00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:04,640 54925 under CW DDW, government incorporated. Is that 784 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,559 like something that's done annually? And what is that? 785 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,880 » Sure. Hold on one second. I just want to pull up my papers. 786 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:15,200 » Sure. passing your the bills and claims. Sorry. What page is it on? Council 787 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,480 » uh page uh great 788 00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:22,000 » page three >> CDW government incorporated. 789 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,599 » Hold on one second. I'm just finding it. I have to go through it twice. Um office 790 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:29,040 renewal. That is I think our new Microsoft um if I remember correctly, 791 00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:33,359 Madam Clerk, I think that's our Microsoft um software which Okay. 792 00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:38,160 » Um I think has to be renewed currently annually. I think we had an issue la am 793 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:42,000 I correct? Yeah, we had an issue last year. We all know that, you know, the 794 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,720 email was down. This is our upgraded system that hopefully we won't be having 795 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:48,720 our emails down. But this is our Microsoft for all of our 300 and 796 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,079 something employees and everyone up here and anyone else who has emails and 797 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,319 Microsoft. >> All right. Just want to make sure it's 798 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,760 an actual >> It makes sense. I mean, I paid $2,500 799 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,920 for my small little operation in my business. So, yeah, we're we're a big 800 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,040 town, but that's what it is. >> All right. 801 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,599 » Yeah. >> Thank you, Nina. May I have a motion to 802 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:12,960 approve the bills and claims with the extensions noted and the removal of 803 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:16,400 Abraio McDermott in the amount of 3,676.50 804 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:19,040 on page two. >> Motion. 805 00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:21,599 » Second. >> Councilman Bradley 806 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,319 » with those abstensions but yes to the rest on the bills and claims agenda for 807 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:26,559 tonight. >> Councilman Brassie. 808 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:28,400 » Yes. >> Councilman Pollock. 809 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,480 » Yes. >> Council Vice President Paul Mary. 810 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,599 » Yes. >> Council President Bernstein. 811 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:35,920 » Yes. And thank you, Nino, for >> highlighting that. I'm happy I 812 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,799 remembered. >> Thank you for the explanation. 813 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,040 » We're going to get in a minute. We'll have open comments soon. 814 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,760 » Madam Clerk, we're going to have time for anyone soon who wants to speak. 815 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,319 We'll get we'll get we'll get to you in a minute. 816 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,200 » Madam Clerk, >> the next item on the agenda is the 817 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:57,040 consent agenda listed for tonight's consideration of resolutions uh 225 818 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,960 through 236 2026 listed by title. Council President Bernstein, are there 819 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,920 any comments? >> So, I have some comments before that. 820 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,000 Does anyone from the public want us to pull anyone off for a separate vote? 821 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:09,920 This is not a public comment section. Anyone have anyone for separate vote? 822 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:14,400 Okay. So, I'm just going to highlight a couple which I think deserve to get 823 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:17,359 highlighted. R225, a resident came to the last meeting asking about Insanity 824 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,200 Farm and we gave a commitment that it would be on this agenda. Um, I know 825 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,520 attorney McGuckin had spent the past couple months going back and forth with 826 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:29,760 the attorneys on the for the farm. Um if I understand correctly the story over 827 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:36,319 here is that the PD um had to confiscate a couple of animals um and they just you 828 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,760 know deposited it by a by a farm. The first payment the township made attorney 829 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,680 muck can correct me if I say anything wrong here. The first township payment 830 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:47,280 the township made um and the second one it was a a a dispute if the township 831 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,319 should or not because there was a court order from the municipal judge that 832 00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,160 really the person whose animals were were responsible. So this resolution at 833 00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:57,440 the end of the day, this this farm stepped in and helped the town. This 834 00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:01,440 resolution would authorize the town to pay and then for the town to for the 835 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:05,359 person who owns the animals to be responsible to pay back the township. We 836 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:08,240 hope we see the money, but we felt the first thing is making sure the person 837 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,119 the farm that took care of these these animals were taken care of legal 838 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,839 council. Is that correct? >> That is correct. 839 01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:16,960 » Okay. And I just want to thank some of the residents. I see she's not here who 840 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:20,640 reached out to me, tagged me on social media, and I promised her we'd get it 841 01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:26,480 on. So I'm happy to see it's here. Um I also want to highlight R233 842 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,599 um which is the fairness for school district in development restricted areas 843 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:33,520 act. Now resolutions we all know are resolutions sometimes but um there was a 844 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,040 settlement with meta which gave the state of New Jersey hundreds and 845 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:41,599 hundreds of millions of dollars and that is supporting Assemblyman Suiki's um 846 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:47,040 bill calling for the money to be distributed to the schools um $800 847 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:52,240 million. If Jackson got you know even 10 15 we'd be very happy. Um, but we 848 01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:55,119 deserve some of that money. Um, and uh, asking for it to go back to children 849 01:00:53,599 --> 01:01:01,040 because Meta was a lawsuit over children, I think would be great. I also 850 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:05,920 wanted to highlight the last one, R236, which I think goes into Councilman Paul 851 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:09,920 Mary's um, way he starts off in his meetings. That's a place transfer 852 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:14,720 preliminary retail consumption license for CGs. Um, I'm not going to profess 853 01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:18,160 I'm the biggest CG customer, but many residents I know everyone loves CGs here 854 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:21,839 in Jackson. supposedly their wings are the best. Um, everyone goes there after 855 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,520 work for a for for a good drink. And the fact that they're expanding here in 856 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:30,559 Jackson, I think is a sign of a successful small business. And I just 857 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:34,400 say kudos to CG's for staying open and continuing to fight and serve the 858 01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:38,240 residents. So, um, I think that was a a a great one. Those are the ones that I 859 01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:42,000 wanted to highlight for now. Oh, and then the last one, just because I'm sure 860 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:47,119 um I'm not sure if it will come up, is R235. That is supporting the county. The 861 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,559 county is looking into looking nothing finalized. The county open space 862 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,799 committee is looking at that property on Grottown. I think it's 277 Grottown 863 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:59,440 which obviously the township tabled for now for moving forward with it. Um 864 01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,640 contrary to popular belief um that came to the township the resident came here 865 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,359 on her own. She came to the township obviously the township decided at this 866 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:10,079 point it wasn't in the best interest of use utilization of our open space funds 867 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,559 but the county is now looking into it. It doesn't mean it will happen, but the 868 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,240 county needs a resolution just supporting them to to to pursue it 869 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:20,960 further. >> And I think I covered the big ones. 870 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:27,040 » I have a motion to authorize the consent agenda resolutions 225 through 236 2026. 871 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,040 » Motion second. 872 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,760 » Council member, >> um I'm going to vote yes on the 873 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:39,839 resolutions except for resolution 235-2026. 874 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:45,520 Um, I'm just going I I'm going back and forth on it. Um, I really hope the 875 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:52,079 owners of the property I know they've been very eager to sell sell it. I hope 876 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:57,040 they do. I just don't think it's appropriate to do it with taxpayer 877 01:02:53,599 --> 01:03:01,760 monies. Since we last voted on it, the last we heard um is the council uh from 878 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,920 the council is that there was a legal matter regarding the property that we 879 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:11,440 were holding off on it. Also, since we last voted on it, um it was discovered 880 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:16,319 there were some wetlands on the uh 3.32 acre property. So, I question how much 881 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:21,119 of it is really buildable buildable. I don't think a lot of it maybe I think 882 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:27,599 not a lot of it at all. Maybe a house or two um if that. So, we're not protecting 883 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:31,599 our town from sprawl or overdevelopment in this case or per I think preserving 884 01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:36,559 that much. So, I don't think it's a wise use of county open space 885 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:41,119 tax dollars either, which Jackson taxpayers pay into as well. Um, I wish 886 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:45,920 the property owners well and selling their property, but I don't think it 887 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:50,400 should be done with taxpayer monies. Also, there's no address indicated on 888 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:55,920 this resolution or the amount the property. So, um, is possibly being 889 01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:02,000 purchased for by Ocean County. So, I'm voting no at this time. Thank you. Yes. 890 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:04,960 for the rest on there. >> Councilman Brassie, 891 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,280 » I'm going to vote yes. That property, the county's looking at it. They'll do 892 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:13,280 their due justice. Uh I don't want to discourage the county from looking for 893 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:17,520 property in Jackson. We don't do that that often. Uh they may have other plans 894 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,799 for it. They'll look at it. If it's too wet, they're not going to buy it. Or at 895 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:26,480 least let them look into it and uh see what happens. I vote yes. W 896 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:30,720 » Councilman Pollock. Uh we're speaking specifically on 897 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:32,720 council if you don't mind your mic. >> Yeah. 898 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:37,200 » Uh we're speaking specifically >> all the resolutions. 899 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:42,640 » All of them. Yeah. Okay. Uh so I'll run through uh let me first say election 900 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,480 time is always the best time to lobby your governments. That is the time they 901 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:52,000 are willing to do the most for you. Don't forget that. Uh R225 Perfect 902 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:56,160 Insanity Farms. I actually spoke to the woman a while back. Uh they they took in 903 01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:00,880 animals for the town. They initially were getting paid and then they stopped 904 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:04,319 getting paid and they had to spend time fighting with their government here, 905 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,039 fighting with the government here and I'm really happy they're getting what 906 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:11,200 they deserve. They go out of their way to help the town and take care of 907 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:16,240 animals. Uh they they deserve what they were supposed to get. So that's a really 908 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:20,880 good thing that's happening. Um as far as uh R235, 909 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:26,240 uh I agree with Councilman Blli. nothing against the homeowners in any way, 910 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:30,880 shape, or form, and I feel terrible, but you know, we diligently look for land to 911 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,000 preserve. Uh, you know, and I'll even give the the mayor credit there. I may 912 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,079 not agree on a lot of things with her, but but she's looking uh the open space 913 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,280 committee, uh, Councilman Brelli is always looking for land to preserve 914 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:45,119 because it's what's important to us. We pay into that fund and we want to, you 915 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:50,160 know, we care about nature. We care about the environment. Uh, you know, 916 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:56,799 Councilman Belli brought up a 30 acre parcel that's going for $1.85 million 917 01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:02,000 » in in relation that you know, you're looking to spend $800,000 on 3.2 acres. 918 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:05,520 I'm not sure why. Listen, I don't trust this government. 919 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:09,760 Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but there's a lot of very strange 920 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:14,000 surrounding properties to it, which always makes me question what's going 921 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:17,839 on. powerful, rich, influential people own property around it. Uh, so I always 922 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:22,240 question things. I could be wrong sometimes. Listen, but, uh, I have a 923 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,200 heavy distrust for government. I have a heavy distrust when there's a lot of 924 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,359 money involved. Uh, so I'm going to be voting no on that. Um, I hope Ocean 925 01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:33,760 County would like to pitch in for bigger tracks of land that we're looking at as 926 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:39,280 well, and we can hopefully preserve Jackson with the county. Uh, but, uh, 927 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:43,680 everything else Oh, wait. I have to just recognize CG's. Uh, I will probably be 928 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:44,559 going there for wings and a beer after this. 929 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,799 » I knew it. >> Uh, [laughter] it is it is my favorite 930 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,000 place in town. So, I'm I was very happy when I heard they were going to be 931 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:59,440 expanding. Uh, >> it makes me feel happy for the Jackson 932 01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:04,880 community. Um, so, uh, aside from 235, everything's a yes. 933 01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:09,920 » Council Vice President Paul Mary. >> So, I just like to talk um on R236 as 934 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,520 well. CG's was a small business highlight last year and I spoke with the 935 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:16,720 owner at Jackson Day and I was so excited to hear when he said he was 936 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:20,160 looking to expand. Uh so I'll definitely be back there for a uh a rehighlight, 937 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,240 you know, just to kind of acknowledge when he's done uh and uh bring it to 938 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:28,000 everybody because I think it's great. We have small businesses that are 939 01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:31,200 expanding. We have small businesses that are growing and it's just it's just an 940 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:36,160 amazing thing and the feedback has been tremendous. R233, 941 01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:39,520 [clears throat] Assemblyman Suiki's bill 48 942 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:44,880 4860. Uh it's essentially a bill that's paid 943 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:50,000 for with the uh with the money we're getting from Meta. And this could 944 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:53,440 potentially, if passed, bring back $5 million to the Jackson School District. 945 01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:58,799 It's a It scratches the surface. Over the last eight years, if you add up the 946 01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:05,440 aid reduction every single year and compound it, we lost over $60 million in 947 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:09,680 state aid from uh Trenton. But this 5 million, of course, every bit helps. So, 948 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,559 if this bill would have passed, uh Jackson would be getting a very needed 949 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:16,640 $5 million. So, I would like to thank the assemblyman because, uh, he's always 950 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:20,640 been a very strong supporter of Jackson and the and the Jackson school district. 951 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:24,880 So, uh, I'd like to thank him for that. And I vote yes. Council 952 01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:29,279 President Bernstein. >> So, um, before I vote, I just want to 953 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:34,000 just respond to some of my colleagues. Um, with regard to R235, I just have to 954 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:40,640 put it out there. When it first came to to my desk, um, I was not aware that it 955 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:44,480 was strategically located, as some people, you know, alleged on online, you 956 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,759 know, next to certain developers property and was going to be used as as 957 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:52,480 a park. That was never the intention of anyone here. Um, that being said, I 958 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:56,159 understand the concerns. Um, I think when we have that county who's willing 959 01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:01,199 to look into buying open space, no matter what it is, I always like to, um, 960 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:04,239 consider it. Um, I'm just going to put out there for the record, the county is 961 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:08,239 also, they do have a referendum, as Councilman Blli has mentioned in 962 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:12,319 previous council meetings to increase the open space tax. I'm not telling 963 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:16,319 people how to vote, but we do need the county to be pitching in more as if 964 01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:20,239 possible for open space. The county right now, I'm just going to make, I 965 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:26,080 guess, a formal announcement. Um, the county right now is currently in the 966 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:30,080 process of an appraisal on over 160 or 150 acres of buildable land off of 967 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:34,719 County Line Road in Jackson, which I think would be the largest open space 968 01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:38,560 preservation of buildable land in a very very long time in Jackson at an 969 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:42,719 intersection that intersects Lakewood and Jackson by the by the Lakewood 970 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:46,719 border. Um, that if that area gets developed, good luck. Um, whatever's 971 01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:49,440 left the county line road. Um, and obviously this doesn't and I and I 972 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,920 actually called one of the the commissioners today and I said I just 973 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,199 want to make sure this does not take away from the other work that we're 974 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,239 we're we're looking into and I got a firm commitment not the property owner 975 01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:02,320 reached out and they want to make sure the town doesn't have any hesitation. 976 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,800 This does not come from our open space um fund. And just to also to add to and 977 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,880 I'm sorry for speaking too much but just to add for those who wanted to know how 978 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:15,120 this you know this this property when the property first came actually the 979 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:19,760 mayor um gave it to me um to look into and I got the appraisal and the 980 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:25,920 appraisal had a value um which was a lot higher than um than what the the sellers 981 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,520 were willing to. So I'm not a real estate expert. I've negotiated on one 982 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:32,960 piece of property in my in the past and we obviously entered into contract 983 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:37,520 negotiations and there were some legal questions that came up with the way some 984 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:41,040 of that was done. Um but I'm at the end of the day the town council spoke, 985 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:44,640 residents spoke. We heard you. Um but I'm not against the county considering 986 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:48,320 to buy more open space here as long as it actually remains open space and 987 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,760 doesn't get used for infrastructure or anything else for anyone else. So I 988 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,199 would support the county moving forward on purchasing that. Um again I just want 989 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:59,840 to echo CG's. I think it's great when small businesses um grow and um I think 990 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:03,600 it's, you know, something that everyone in town loves. Um I've been there a few 991 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:07,679 times. Nothing too great, but I mean, not too many times, but it's I think 992 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:12,040 it's a fantastic place and I vote yes on everything. 993 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,040 » Motion carries. 994 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,239 » At this time, if any member of the public has any comments to make, please 995 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,040 address the council at the microphone. >> Before that, one second. There was a 996 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:24,880 gentleman I know who has to leave. I I don't like cutting line. 997 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,880 » We all have to. >> Okay. 998 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:34,080 Again, if Madame Clerk, if if you're able to come, if everyone's will let you 999 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:39,320 go first. I know you mentioned to me twice, but 1000 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,320 » come up to the mic. 1001 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,320 » We have the motion. >> Okay. Madam clerk, we have a motion. 1002 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,280 » May I have a motion? Open public comment. 1003 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,880 » Motion. >> Second. 1004 01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:50,880 » All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? 1005 01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:55,199 » Thank you. My name is Randall. I live in Sunny Brook Road in Jackson here. Um 1006 01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:03,679 there's a home across the street from me, 259 Sunny Brook Road going back was 1007 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:12,320 for sale and a week before it it it changed to lease. An LCC group 1008 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:17,280 had purchased it and rented it out to six families that had four children in 1009 01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:21,840 it. In January, they had to leave because 1010 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:27,840 another LCC group bought the home. And there's seven 1011 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:33,199 gentlemen living in that house now. And uh I I don't I came here, I made the 1012 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:38,480 complaint here because I don't feel safe. 1013 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:41,920 And I I went over to they sent me from here to the blue building to building 1014 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,159 » housing across the street. Yeah. >> Right. And they told me that was illegal 1015 01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:48,320 and that I should go over to the little building over there where they 1016 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,239 » code enforcement. >> And they told me, well, they couldn't do 1017 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:59,679 that because they're renting, sharing, paying the rent, but they got to leave 1018 01:12:55,679 --> 01:13:05,280 in October. So, whoever's renting it out is it's a one one year lease to all 1019 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:10,640 these people. Uh, and is there some Nobody got back to 1020 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:14,880 me as many times as I called. Is there anything that could be done 1021 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:17,760 about that or is it legal? >> So, I'm just for you because I know you 1022 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,120 have to leave otherwise I'm just going to take notes. 1023 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,840 » My wife is >> Yeah, I'm going to take notes. Um I'm 1024 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,440 going to ask you if I do you have the business administrator's uh email 1025 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:32,239 address. If you can email the business call or email the business 1026 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:36,800 administrator. Um I do know and again I I want to talk to the attorney about our 1027 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:41,760 ordinance now is that the the we had we had a round table once on on housing. 1028 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,719 you are in America, you are allowed to and I think this is I think something 1029 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:48,960 that Denise Ner usually responds. Our ordinance does not restrict someone from 1030 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,400 um having multiple families living in there. They have to have equal access to 1031 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,679 everything. And many times when our code or our housing department are going in 1032 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,719 there, they're finding some of the issues that they might not find. I don't 1033 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,000 know if there's a housing inspection done there yet. You can definitely reach 1034 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:05,600 out to Mr. Terafeno and he can get that information and hopefully get someone 1035 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:10,719 down there. I talked to one of the when I bought the last time inspector and I 1036 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:14,880 talked to the inspector. He says, "Oh, I know that place. I know the I know the 1037 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:18,960 owners. I will talk to them. They're my good friends." 1038 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:23,600 » Oh. So, if you don't mind to reach out to Mr. Terafeno and uh Mr. Terafeno, 1039 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,960 could you just You have your card here or no? I know the gentleman has to 1040 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:31,320 leave. >> Okay. Thank you. 1041 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,320 » Thank you. 1042 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:39,520 My name is Patrick Panella. I live at 15 Quail Road. 1043 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:43,840 I've been a resident of Jackson for 32 years. All of my children have gone to 1044 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:48,159 school here. And you know, you are all sitting up 1045 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:53,679 here talking nice about new agendas and enforcing this and enforcing that. It 1046 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:58,159 all sounds good before election time. You just don't enforce anything. Okay. 1047 01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:04,640 I'm still waiting to hear from Mr. Terrafano about 18 deer lane which I've 1048 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:10,560 emailed all of you about. I've watched over a 100,000 people over the last 1049 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:16,320 three years. No exaggeration. I've sent pictures. I've told you I could provide 1050 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:21,280 more proof. My neighbors have complained to all of you 1051 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:26,320 and still nothing. We're going to send the code enforcement officer over there. 1052 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:31,120 Right. Well, I contacted the mayor on March 27th. 1053 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:36,640 It's September 8th. I've emailed Mr. Terrafanka. I've 1054 01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:41,440 emailed the mayor who isn't here. That's how important all of your comments are 1055 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:47,199 to her. And that's the truth. [applause] 1056 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:50,960 It is time for people to stop talking. And you aren't going to do it because 1057 01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:56,960 you haven't done it for years. So you could sit there in 1058 01:15:53,679 --> 01:16:02,320 your suits, talk down to people, and run all this language across people. We've 1059 01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:10,080 been here for years. I paid over the years approximately $150,000 1060 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:16,080 in taxes since I've lived here. Right. After sending some of my emails and 1061 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:22,080 photos to the township, I got visited by animal control, 1062 01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:28,880 right? because a dog took a poop in front of 18 Deer Lane, 1063 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:34,560 right? So, I emailed the board 1064 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:40,640 and I said, "Well, obviously," and and the gentleman told me the mayor sent 1065 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:46,640 him, right? I have the paper at home. This isn't fictitious, folks. People are 1066 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:51,840 not making this up, right? I don't own a dog, okay? 1067 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:58,640 So retribution, you swung and you missed the games and 1068 01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:04,159 your delay tactics. Like it's been five months since I contacted the mayor about 1069 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:08,800 18 Deer Lane. When I say a 100,000 people and listen, nobody goes through 1070 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:13,920 the front door. Can you tell me why, Mr. Bernstein? When you go to a friend's 1071 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:18,640 house, do you go through the front door? I do. My other neighbors that are Jewish 1072 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:24,520 go through their neighbors front doors. So tell me, Mr. Bernstein, what is 18 1073 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:24,520 Dear Lane? 1074 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:32,719 It's not on a corner lot. It doesn't follow any of the ordinance or zoning 1075 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:37,760 laws or anything. You know, you are all sitting up there 1076 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:43,040 as this town is being steamrolled and you wonder why people come to a mic 1077 01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:48,920 and say the things that they say or when people get so frustrated something comes 1078 01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:48,920 out of their mouth that they don't mean. 1079 01:17:51,199 --> 01:18:00,719 I pray to God that those that can be replaced are 1080 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:06,159 replaced. And I pray to God that those that may replace them 1081 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:11,440 learn by what's happening here. Because all that is happening here is money is 1082 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:16,239 being thrown around to different people, different political parties and people 1083 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:22,000 are playing games with people's lives who have lived here for over 20, 30, 40, 1084 01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:25,679 50 years. Right, Mr. Teriff Franco? You can look at me all you want. Listen, I 1085 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,880 served in the Marine Corps. I served in law enforcement for 27 years and 1086 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:35,399 retired. This isn't a game to me. This is my 1087 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:37,419 life. This is my town. [applause] 1088 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:48,199 The shaking of heads and all the little, you know, honestly, you are all just 1089 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:48,199 full of it. always 1090 01:18:49,154 --> 01:18:57,120 [applause] >> I'd like to respond uh to uh 1091 01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:02,080 » is >> 18 Deer Lane is a residential home. 1092 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:07,199 » Yes, I I'll address it later. >> This is this is one of the biggest 1093 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:12,320 problems we have and I we're afraid of a lawsuit. We're afraid of our Lupa. I'm 1094 01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:16,800 sure our R loopa attorney is telling us to do nothing. But when somebody's not 1095 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:23,400 doing the right thing, like how do we just sit here and not do anything about 1096 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,400 it? I [applause] I I know it's it's 1097 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:30,800 this is just a common sense that upsets every single normal person in this town. 1098 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:34,800 They don't care who you are, what your your house is being used for. It's just 1099 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:39,679 disrupting their neighborhood. They're having extra traffic, extra people 1100 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:44,159 coming through all the time. It's just it's common sense and it's a problem and 1101 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:47,840 and we got to work on this. I I'm thinking the government's starting to 1102 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:51,120 listen more now. Um things seem to be changing a little bit and I hope we can 1103 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:56,159 continue down that path and things like this just can't be tolerated and places 1104 01:19:53,120 --> 01:20:00,239 like this can't be operating illegally for years, for long periods of time, and 1105 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:06,719 then all of a sudden go, you're approved. We need to punish wrongdoing. 1106 01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:11,600 You know, I we heard our mayor going on about illegal immigration. You care 1107 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:16,239 about law and order, but you don't do anything about you what you can actually 1108 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:22,159 do in your own town with your own power. So, like we have to do something. 1109 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:27,840 Lawsuits be damned sometimes. Do you want like the people to just be 1110 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:32,080 furious all the time in this town? We We have to 1111 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:38,540 I wish he stood. >> Elliot. Elliot Shmpa running for mayor 1112 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:40,560 of Jackson Township. [applause] 1113 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,280 You know, I'll address the gentleman up here, Papanella. 1114 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:53,199 And um look, 1115 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:56,960 it's got to be action over optics. I know it's an election year, but at the 1116 01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:01,199 end of the day, this council, this government needs to 1117 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:05,280 do better. They need to be better. and you've made strides. Again, I don't know 1118 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:09,120 if it's because it's an election year or you just are starting to do better or 1119 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:13,520 maybe because Chris Pollock is on the council. I'm going to go with the latter 1120 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:17,320 because Chris Pollock's on the council holding [applause] people accountable. 1121 01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:26,560 So, Mayor Cune has recently gloated over the state finally approving the 1122 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:31,840 delinquent 2026 budget, which follows her delinquent 2025 budget for which the 1123 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:36,239 council under her leadership was fined by the state. Looking at the budget 1124 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:41,280 details, it's nothing to be proud of. First, let's not forget that at the two 1125 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:45,360 most important council meetings in 2026 where her budget was introduced, Miss 1126 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:49,920 Cune was absent, abdicating responsibility. Over the last two years, 1127 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:54,639 Mayor Cune has approved the complete draining of Jackson's surplus fund, our 1128 01:21:52,639 --> 01:22:01,360 savings account, if you will, down from $17 million to next to nothing. All all 1129 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:05,520 pretty much gone. She did this to claim your tax rates not going up. And I'm 1130 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:10,000 going to continue to remind everybody at these council meetings until the 1131 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:14,560 election. It's a catchy talking point, but at what cost? Here's the hard truth 1132 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:20,480 about the shell game disguised as a budget. Approximately 20% of the 2026 1133 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:24,800 budget was funded by the surplus fund or savings if you'd like to call it. A 1134 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:33,280 one-time revenue gimmick that will not be available in 2027, setting Jackson 1135 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:37,360 Township up for insolveny by 202027. But don't take my word for it. Download 1136 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:43,280 the budget and ask Miss Cune, who by the way is once again not here, how 2027 1137 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:48,639 will be funded. House massive cuts to various departments. Operating expenses 1138 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:53,840 will be restored to reasonable levels as administration personnel and other 1139 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:59,679 expenses are soaring at large contractual wage increases coming due. 1140 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:06,000 Ask how DPW can function with operating expenses approximately down 44% from 1141 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:11,040 2025 and how the PD can function with operating expenses approximately down 1142 01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:15,679 55% from 2025. And while you're at it, ask how she 1143 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:20,320 justifies spending over $120,000 to push out employees she doesn't like through 1144 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:25,920 so-called separation agreements, expensive parting gifts, using our tax 1145 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:30,480 dollars like monopoly money to purge good people from township employment. In 1146 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:35,199 addition to this budget crisis, we have much more to address. 1147 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:40,719 Rahm Emanuel once famously said, "You never want a serious a serious crisis to 1148 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:46,560 go to waste." He said that with regard to the financial crisis of 20 2008 which 1149 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:50,159 was Obama administration was embroiled in. 1150 01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:55,760 Perhaps it is not coincidental that Mayor Cune has taken the absolute 1151 01:23:52,800 --> 01:24:00,159 tragedy where a child's life was lost and sought to turn it into political 1152 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:05,520 opportunity for herself while a financial crisis and other real problems 1153 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:10,639 loom here in Jackson Township. Calling out sanctuary state policies as 1154 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:15,360 at such sensitive times is not leadership. It was shameless 1155 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:22,639 opportunism. Seemingly repeated every election cycle. 1156 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:28,080 What we need in this moment was empathy, humanity, and compassion, not talking 1157 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:33,920 points and countless inconsequential media interviews, which quite frankly is 1158 01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:38,320 embarrassing. What we needed then and continued to be 1159 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:43,840 needed is real leadership in Jackson. The governing body has already made 1160 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:50,400 repeated overtures to reject the concept and practice practice of sanctuary state 1161 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:58,480 policies having pass uh resolutions denouncing the same in 2018 and 2025. 1162 01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:03,840 That's not needed or to be repeated when a life is lost and coincidentally 1163 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:08,800 two election years as well. That makes three in a row. You got the trifecta on 1164 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:13,040 that one. Needed more than ever are not distractions from this administration 1165 01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:18,080 failing, but answer to real questions the Jackson constituents continue to 1166 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:22,560 ask. What will my tax bill look like next year? Why are Opas taking forever 1167 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:28,639 to come back, which is a violation of the law? with some of the 2026 budget 1168 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:33,040 revenue maneuvers which will not afford replenishment of the surplus fund at the 1169 01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:38,600 same rate as previous years. What is being done to manage debt and stabilize 1170 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,600 the tax burden? 1171 01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:43,440 » Mayor, you can help bring the community together simply by addressing the many 1172 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:48,480 issues that are brought forward by concerned residents while the council 1173 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:51,840 president regularly runs cover for you. In fact, it's your administration who 1174 01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:54,800 oversees the various township departments. 1175 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:58,400 I had 10 more seconds. >> Okay. 1176 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:02,080 » My question is, how could you do so poorly with the important matter when 1177 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:06,320 you've been trained to sell real estate in our very town? Conversely, I on the 1178 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:10,960 other hand have been building significant budgets in business in the 1179 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:14,320 business world for nearly two decades and have done so with consistent 1180 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:19,360 effectiveness because my job is always on the line. 1181 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:23,840 What you soon will realize is that your job is on the line as well. And on 1182 01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:29,280 November 3rd, the ramifications for your unsatisfactory job performance will come 1183 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:33,040 to fruition. In the business world, I answer to shareholders and stakeholders. 1184 01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:37,040 In government, you answer to the residents. I'm Elliot Shmpto, and I'm 1185 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:42,239 running for mayor. Tachet needs accountability, financial responsible 1186 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:46,480 leadership, transparency, fair treatment, and equal application of the 1187 01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:49,929 law for every single resident. Thank you for the extra time, council president. 1188 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,949 » THANK YOU. >> [applause] 1189 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:59,280 » AND I'M JUST THERE'S A long line and people are waiting on long line. So try 1190 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:04,800 to keep it to five minutes. If we have to give a couple extra seconds, we will. 1191 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:09,199 I wasn't saying it only to you. >> Hi, I'm Sarah. I spoke here two weeks 1192 01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:12,800 ago and before I begin tonight, I want to clarify something. When I finished 1193 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:16,639 speaking last time, I ran out of the room. I had arrived at 6:30 and by the 1194 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:20,239 time I spoke, I had been here for close to four hours. I have six children at 1195 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,920 home waiting for me, so I really did have to run. But I made sure to come 1196 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:28,639 back inside specifically to explain to you, Chris, that I didn't want to be 1197 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:33,040 rude. Afterwards, you posted a clip of my speech on your Tik Tok page under the 1198 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:37,600 headline, resident claims councilman is fighting Jews. 1199 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:41,679 That's not what I said. I criticize political rhetoric and I trusted your 1200 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:46,800 intelligence to know enough to know the difference. You also use an Israeli flag 1201 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:50,480 for the letter E in the word Jews. I am Jewish and I'm proudly connected to 1202 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:53,840 Israel, but I did not stand here as an Israeli. I stood here as an American 1203 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:58,400 citizen and a Jackson resident speaking to my local government. On an 1204 01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:02,000 algorithm-driven platform like Tik Tok, pairing the words fighting Jews with an 1205 01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:05,520 Israeli flag creates a very different framing. 1206 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:09,520 And Chris, I understand that you are not responsible for other people choose to 1207 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:13,280 comment, but you are responsible for the content you put out, the way you frame 1208 01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:17,520 it, and the environment you create around it. comments called me a coward, 1209 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:21,360 claimed I was paid to speak, and said I ran away because I couldn't face your 1210 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:24,000 response. You knew why I left and I came back and told you and yet you allowed 1211 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:28,480 that framing to stand without correction. So, back to the slogan, 1212 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:32,239 fight for Jackson. I don't like focusing on problems without solutions. There's a 1213 01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:35,360 concept that change happens in three stages: awareness, acceptance, and 1214 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,560 action. At the last meeting, I brought up the awareness. Over the last two 1215 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:42,800 weeks, I felt it's a sort of acceptance. And tonight, I'd like to move to action. 1216 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:45,520 I know that you stated publicly that Fight for Jackson was your idea, and I'm 1217 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:50,159 not claiming to know what anyone's intentions were. But words don't exist 1218 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:53,840 in a vacuum. Words like protect, preserve, restore, and fight can 1219 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:57,280 represent completely legitimate ideas. But when those words exist alongside 1220 01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:00,239 conversations about them moving here, them changing Jackson, their houses, 1221 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,080 their schools, their money, their political power, eventually people 1222 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:07,840 understand who them means. And that's where Fight for Jackson became difficult 1223 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:12,080 for me, especially in your comments, which again are not deleted or responded 1224 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,239 to. So, I'd like to offer an alternative to fight for Jackson. Perhaps you could 1225 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:20,719 do fight to unite Jackson. >> Sorry, I didn't hear you. 1226 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:23,280 » Fight to unite Jackson. Let's fight to actually unite the people who already 1227 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,239 live here. Let's create a committee where longtime residents and newer 1228 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:30,639 Orthodox residents can sit down together and discuss the issues that concern 1229 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:34,080 them. I'll sponsor the lunchon. When I lived in Brooklyn, our library hosted 1230 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,639 Mommy and Me programs. Our lives may have looked different, but for that 1231 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:40,320 hour, we were simply mothers interacting with our children. Why don't we have 1232 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:43,360 that here? Why don't we create more opportunities 1233 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:47,520 for local businesses instead of our once a year Jackson day? Last month, I took 1234 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,760 my son to Sky Zone and there was a little boy playing nearby, not Jewish. 1235 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:58,560 My son had extra tokens on his card and they played together and shared a pizza. 1236 01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:02,080 Two boys, that's it. Why don't we create more activities where our children can 1237 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,440 meet each other? I don't believe that most of Jackson is anti-Semitic, but it 1238 01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:08,080 is easy to fear a group of people when the only place you encounter them is 1239 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,520 through Facebook posts, political arguments, and stories about what they 1240 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:15,840 are doing. It's much harder when you actually meet them. And respect has to 1241 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,800 go both ways. We have to do things legally and respectfully. 1242 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:25,360 On Shabas, our Saturday, my family values quiet. My next door neighbor 1243 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:30,719 blast his 80s rock music. It's a fantastic playlist. It's not my choice 1244 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:34,960 of music. [laughter] I also saw a neighbor on Cook's Bridge 1245 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:38,560 burning mail in a makeshift fire makeshift fire pit. I called the local 1246 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:42,880 fire department to make sure everyone was okay and I moved on. 1247 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:48,000 I also had neighbors that started putting on fireworks on Friday night at 1248 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:51,760 11 p.m. All my babies woke up. I had to start bedtime all over. It was 1249 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:55,040 frustrating. It was annoying. But they have the right to their Saturday and 1250 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:58,719 their Fridays. That's part of being neighbors. 1251 01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:02,320 So, I'm not asking one to stop caring about Jackson. And unity doesn't mean 1252 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,280 sameness. It just means our differences don't automatically make us enemies. I'm 1253 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:09,199 asking us to think differently about what we're fighting for. Let's create 1254 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:12,320 committees. Let's create programs. Let's give our children opportunities to know 1255 01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:16,000 each other. And especially as we approach September 11th. Maybe we can 1256 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:21,840 remember something bigger than all of us. We are neighbors. We are Americans. 1257 01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:25,688 Awareness, acceptance, and now action. Let's fight to unite, Jackson. Thank 1258 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:27,708 you. >> [applause] 1259 01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:34,800 » Chris, two way. I'm just I I don't I just want to take a 1260 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,639 moment and respond to a couple of them because I see Chris wanted to respond to 1261 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:44,800 her also. So, I'm just going to go very quickly through some of them. And um 1262 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:49,199 with regard to the very quickly, yes, I got it very quickly. Um with regard to 1263 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:53,360 more cultural events and more areas where people can get together, um I 1264 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,800 think Jackson Day was great. I know July 4th fire fireworks were obviously on a 1265 01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:01,040 Saturday it doesn't work. I think everyone here we've talked to Fred and 1266 01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:04,239 and the recreation team about doing more events. The only way we're going to 1267 01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:07,199 learn how to live together is by having conversations and I think those 1268 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:11,760 conversations actually have been happening in the past uh couple weeks 1269 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:16,320 past couple months. I think the tone has changed and like I said I think having 1270 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:21,280 people here a broad spectrum of Jackson I think goes a long way to to to helping 1271 01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:26,239 that. Um, and I'm not going to comment further on their political slogan, but 1272 01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:30,719 um, we definitely heard you. Um, with regard to resident brought up Oprah's, 1273 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:34,239 and I see other residents here. Um, I know the clerk is doing her best, and we 1274 01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:39,520 actually have pretty overall pretty decent um, um, response time. And, um, 1275 01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:43,440 there are some very broad and complicated ops that are coming in. And 1276 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:47,679 it's easy for everyone to say from the other side, oh, the council president or 1277 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:50,800 the mayor interfering with Oprah's. We don't. We we haven't and we have no 1278 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,120 plans in doing that. But I'm gonna respond to the rest later because in 1279 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:57,679 case you have to run out to your six children again. Chris, you want to? 1280 01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:00,639 » Well, there's a whole lot to say. We could have a giant conversation about 1281 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:06,880 this and I'm always willing to have it. Um I did use your words. You did say 1282 01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:10,880 what is Fight for Jackson fighting Jews. Um, so those are your words and yes, I 1283 01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:14,480 am a little controversial online because it gets attention, but if people 1284 01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:18,239 actually listen to what I said, it was a message of trying to come together, 1285 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:21,600 trying to work together. But there are issues. There's people from the 1286 01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:25,679 prominent people in the Jewish community said they toppled this government who 1287 01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:30,400 are on video justifying Jewish children not playing with non-Jewish children. 1288 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:36,239 You have rabbis from the VA talking about taking over towns as a conquest. 1289 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:41,199 These are real things. And I'm the only counter voice to it who people can't 1290 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:45,199 seem to knock down and take out with claims of anti-semitism. 1291 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,560 And I seem to kind of be accepted by most 1292 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:52,159 people because I think most people understand it's not coming from a place 1293 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:56,400 of hate. People will make those claims, but it's not. I would love to do the 1294 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:59,600 things you said. And as much as we may disagree, I kind of got a lot of respect 1295 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:03,440 for you because you come, you say, you come at me and you're good. You speak 1296 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:06,080 well. [laughter] Um, and I I would love for counsel. 1297 01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:09,920 No, I would really love to do those things with you. Uh, and I I think 1298 01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:15,280 they're absolutely doable. I think the the council, the mayor, maybe the next 1299 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:19,679 mayor would certainly be on board for those things. And, uh, you know, thank 1300 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:24,480 you for having the the conversation, the dialogue. There's a lot to say with, you 1301 01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,960 know, you look at Lakewood, what happened there. A lot of people 1302 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:31,040 don't want that to happen here, including the Jewish community. Uh, we 1303 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:35,520 need to find a way to coexist and figure this out. It's marching down a bad path 1304 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:40,400 and it's going to be bad for everyone involved and I how we fix it is really I 1305 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:44,080 don't know. I wish we had the answers but if we could have the conversation I 1306 01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:49,120 appreciate it. Thank you for listen and thank you for criticizing me too. I take 1307 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:52,719 criticism. I understand it. I may push back and fight back with you but you 1308 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:56,000 know I understand it. Thank you. >> Next [applause] 1309 01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:04,480 floor is yours. >> Hello. My name is Samorio. 21127 South 1310 01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:08,960 Hope Chapel Road. I want to address the council with an issue that recently 1311 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:12,960 occurred on my property on August 31st. My wife was out in the field in the 1312 01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:17,440 corner of our property located at 211 South Hope Chapel Road. It's a foreign 1313 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:25,120 getting to be a foreign idea in this town. It's called a farm. We own a farm. 1314 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:30,880 Um we do horse rehabilitation with miniature horses. Um, she heard the 1315 01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:35,840 sound of heavy equipment. She hears cracking noise. She watches a tree fall 1316 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:42,080 in the distance. She's on the tractor doing this strange word, farmwork, and 1317 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:48,960 she drove the tractor over to find our horse fence completely ripped down. We 1318 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:53,280 found I have a habitat. The man who used to live next door, we used to be on I 1319 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:57,520 think one of the tree committees. Leo, we always called him the bee guy. So Leo 1320 01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:01,040 always had bees. When Leo left, some of his bees, that's the property that's now 1321 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:05,840 completely destroyed. There's not a tree standing on it. Um the bees needed 1322 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,560 someplace to go. So they resonated towards this area where we had um 1323 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:14,639 butterfly bushes, um honeysuckle, 1324 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:19,440 weeping cherries, and this other flowering tree. Well, the man working 1325 01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:24,880 the bulldozer put the bulldozer claw over and destroyed the entire habitat. 1326 01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:27,920 Ripped it all down. So now you got these bees when you go out flying all over the 1327 01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:32,800 place. They're looking for some place to be. They just want to be and like I 1328 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:38,320 wanna my wife wanna they just want to be. So um there's two men out there. 1329 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:42,719 They both refuse to cooperate with my wife. They refuse to give any 1330 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:47,840 information. So she calls me. So I come up to the corner of the property. See 1331 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:52,480 this extensive destruction. I ask both of the gentlemen for their names. They 1332 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:57,199 refuse to give me their name. I ask the gentleman who appears to be the contract 1333 01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:02,080 site person, what's the name of the gentleman operating the equipment? He 1334 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:06,560 refuses to give me the his name. He refuses to give me the address for his 1335 01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:11,440 company. He just points to the piece of equipment. I told him if he again failed 1336 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:17,199 to provide basic information, I'd have no choice but to call the police. So, 1337 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,760 um, he again failed to cooperate and comply. and he said, "If you want any 1338 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:27,679 information from me, call the police." I did call the police. The initial an 1339 01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:32,960 older an older officer, a we'll call the seasoned officer, excuse me, uh was the 1340 01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:36,639 uh first to arrive on the scene. I explained to him what happened and 1341 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:41,840 directed him to the area of destruction. He observed it and he began to question 1342 01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:45,840 the one man. Um I stated several times to that officer that I was requesting 1343 01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:50,400 contact information for the two gentlemen on the scene. 1344 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:56,080 So, should I need it, I would have it in the future. Go backwards on my 1345 01:37:52,639 --> 01:38:02,400 background. I've got 32 and a half years state, county, um, m I Yeah, we were 1346 01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:06,719 never municipal. State and county. Um, I was a probation officer and a senior 1347 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:11,040 probation officer. I've read mountains of police reports. The big thing with 1348 01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:17,119 the police report is that initial police report that has all of the names and 1349 01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:22,880 addresses or phone contact information for the initial incident, the initial 1350 01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:27,920 site. So I asked the officer for that information several times. He confirmed 1351 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:32,639 to me that it would be all on the card that would be filed with police records. 1352 01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:36,560 So the next morning I call code enforcement. There's a gentleman there 1353 01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:41,840 that had helped me previously because this is now the second time someone has 1354 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:47,520 ripped down my f fence. The first contractor who cleared out all of Leo's 1355 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:51,280 property destroyed my fence. Gentleman from code enforcement was very helpful 1356 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:56,320 because when I went out to address it with that construction company, he was 1357 01:38:54,159 --> 01:39:00,320 feeding pieces of house into this giant machine that mulches stuff up and there 1358 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:06,159 were pieces of asphalt this big flying at my head. When code enforcement showed 1359 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:11,360 up, it stopped and code enforcement corrected it. And that fence wasn't put 1360 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:15,360 up right, but it was close enough that I dealt with it. Well, when the guy pulled 1361 01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:20,880 down this section of fence, horse fences, tension fence, he now destroyed 1362 01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:25,440 that section of fence, too. So, it's just an ongoing incident. I explained it 1363 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:29,520 to code enforcement and they said, you know, if you can get the information, 1364 01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:33,760 someone from code enforcement would come out and oversee the temporary fence 1365 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:38,320 repair. Please also back note, the officer on the scene told the guy, he 1366 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:43,520 looked down the line, he goes, "Look, you knocked the man's fence down. I need 1367 01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:49,440 you to come out before nighttime and repair this fence. Let's back up, too. I 1368 01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:54,639 have 11 horses. We have miniature horses. We do a horse rescue rehab. 1369 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:59,840 Thank God they weren't in there. They would have been all over Jackson. Then 1370 01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:03,760 who's liable? Who's liable? >> This is disgusting. [bell] 1371 01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:09,440 » And I've got I there there is so much more to this. The the non Is that a 1372 01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,920 minute of time? I don't know what. >> So your your time's I'll give you 1373 01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:16,639 another 20 seconds just to >> So there's a great degree of information 1374 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:21,920 that's still contained in this. The police the police contact card had none 1375 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,440 of the information. It was all redacted. None of the contact information for the 1376 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:32,080 two gentlemen that I needed was not contained on it. I um the the gentleman 1377 01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:36,400 that you that um zoning was extremely helpful. They helped me get the contact 1378 01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:39,360 information for this guy, Steve. I had a discussion with them. We would came up 1379 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:43,040 with an agreement because I want to keep the town out of it. I want to just 1380 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:47,520 mediate situations because I've mediated in the past. His answer was every 50 1381 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:50,960 feet he was going to park the property and he didn't do that. 1382 01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:54,000 » So I'm I'm going to ask you because I first of all I I feel terribly going 1383 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:57,840 through what you're going through and it's unacceptable. If you can go over 1384 01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:01,199 while the next speaker is speaking and give your information to the young man 1385 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,679 on side. Are you okay with that? And he will he'll make sure that the business 1386 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:07,989 administrator and the mayor follow up with you tomorrow to see where that's 1387 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:11,760 holding. [applause] 1388 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:14,639 » I doubt I doubt he's gonna be able to read my handwriting. 1389 01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:18,000 Well, he'll write it down if you read it to him. 1390 01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:21,920 » Yeah. At least at least give yourself a number so so the administration can call 1391 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:26,719 you tomorrow. >> Good evening. Dan Puki, Brookwood 1392 01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:31,600 Jackson. First of all, I'd like to say my condolences go out to the entire 1393 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:36,080 Brookwood community for the loss of that young child. Something that should never 1394 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:40,800 happen. Secondly, I'd like to thank the council for their vote last council 1395 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:47,945 meeting for banning data centers. you can let somebody know that Jackson is 1396 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:52,000 not stupid or poor. Okay, [applause] 1397 01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:59,600 I like to talk about traffic. Traffic in Brookwood is a big problem. Um, on July 1398 01:41:55,360 --> 01:42:05,760 3rd, I spent 25 minutes going 04 miles to get out of my property at 9:00 in the 1399 01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:10,960 morning. It took me to 9:30. All the roads in the area were congested and 1400 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:16,480 parked every which way due to the opening of a summer camp for girls. I 1401 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,639 have no problem with a summer camp opening. If they're going to have that 1402 01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:26,320 much traffic in the area, maybe they could give us some notice to plan 1403 01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:32,080 different routes and plan extra time. The parking on New Hampshire, Florida, 1404 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:36,239 Colorado, and Citadel horrendous. If an emergency vehicle had 1405 01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:40,159 to get to that school or that playground, it would be impossible. 1406 01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:46,239 Maybe we should do opposite side of the street parking to make the road that's 1407 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:51,440 not parked passable for everybody. I have to dodge school buses and dodge 1408 01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:58,400 cars and Mr. Paul and he lives near there. He can vouch for this. 1409 01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:05,199 Um, also on on Brookwood Parkway, we put up a new little um playground 1410 01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:12,080 with a little fence next to the little stream bed that is there. And what do we 1411 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:16,159 do? We put a porta body unlocked outside of the little fenced in area. We just 1412 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:21,840 passed an ordinance and we can't follow the ordinance that we passed. Are we 1413 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:28,560 being foolish here? I mean, come on, guys. Also, they put up on each side of 1414 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:34,080 the street, three no parking signs. How about you put up a sign, new playground, 1415 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:38,800 children at play, because you can't see the playground 1416 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:43,920 until you pass it. Garbage is a problem in this town, not 1417 01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:48,239 litter. We have garbage cans that sit out for a week. We have garbage cans 1418 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:53,199 that can't fit the garbage in it that's piled up this high. The lids can't 1419 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:58,560 close. We wonder why garbage goes on other people's property, why animals get 1420 01:43:55,440 --> 01:44:02,400 after it. I mean, I have six different garbage companies in my development 1421 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:07,360 every week. And there still I'm picking up garbage on my property from other 1422 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:10,800 people's stuff. We've got to have an ordinance that you got you need to bring 1423 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:15,360 your cans in, you need to have them covered. And the same thing with 1424 01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:20,159 recycling if people recycle. The majority of the Brookwood houses do not 1425 01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:24,960 recycle at all. It's a state law to recycle. 1426 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:28,880 We don't follow that. Another thing in town, we have too many 1427 01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:35,119 dead trees. They're going to fall over on on wires. We have a shade tree 1428 01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:39,360 commission and asshelunk and all that. Maybe we could get some ask people, the 1429 01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:45,920 companies to do their job and take down the dead trees before I'm without power, 1430 01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:50,960 internet, and cable. I mean, come on. It's not a big ask. 1431 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:56,080 Um, Louisiana Parkway, they had a a water 1432 01:44:53,920 --> 01:45:00,159 leak a couple weeks ago. >> Water main boat. 1433 01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:04,239 » Yeah, the road's still not fixed. The gravel's still there, the dirt's 1434 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:09,280 still there, the street hasn't been repaved. How long does it take? And now 1435 01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:13,119 would you guys with the ordinance about unhitched trailers? 1436 01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:19,199 How about on the way here and on the way home tonight, you have the trailers that 1437 01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:23,760 used to flash Jackson Day. They're orange. They're unhitched and they're 1438 01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:29,199 not lit up at night. What are we doing here? I know that's a 1439 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:35,520 county road, but it's still not safe. Are we making any sense? 1440 01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:42,480 And that's about all for tonight. Thank you for your time. [applause] 1441 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,480 I'll see you next meeting. 1442 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,199 Welcome back. >> How are you? 1443 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:55,920 » Great. >> I'm Christina. Um I live here in 1444 01:45:52,080 --> 01:46:02,719 Jackson. I'm going into my 25th year in TW as we go into the new year. So I'm 24 1445 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:09,199 years. Um, since all the high density development 1446 01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:16,480 that has started here in Jackson, um, I have noticed an orange glaze 1447 01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:25,440 that's in the toilet water. I went to and this has been now I've I've my place 1448 01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:30,880 was built past 1986 because the MUA tried to tell me, "Oh, 1449 01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:38,080 well, it's got to be the pipes." Well, the truth is is my place was built past 1450 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:44,639 1986 when they changed the rulings on pipes. 1451 01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:50,639 So you read about the I brought this up the Kirkwood 1452 01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:58,080 Cohansy aquifer and high density development 1453 01:46:53,440 --> 01:47:07,199 is a cause of doing this. I don't believe this has to do with what 1454 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:13,040 our our religions are or anything. What the real issue in Jackson has to do 1455 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:20,960 with the overdeveloping that's happening in the town that could 1456 01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:22,960 possibly destroy our water because once you lose 1457 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:25,360 » I know one quick question just so I'm taking notes. What part of what part of 1458 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,679 town do you live in? >> I'm in 60 acres. 1459 01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:34,480 » Okay, continue. Yeah. >> Yes. But I was going to mention also at 1460 01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:40,159 Jackson Day. I went to Jackson Day. There was another woman there. She said 1461 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:50,000 she's finding brownwater. So it turns out, but she's not from J 60 1462 01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:56,800 acres. So I'm sandwiched in where I live to Brewers Bridge Road. There's huge 1463 01:47:53,840 --> 01:48:02,159 development going on there. There's huge development on County Line Road. That's 1464 01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:05,760 another side of the development where I live. 1465 01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:11,600 uh down 1466 01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:18,639 Bettz Mills and Cooksbridge, you have a humongous building being built. I 1467 01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:24,800 remember seeing the the those big um pipes that are being put in underground. 1468 01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:29,520 So, I'm going to read you again the aquifer. 1469 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:36,400 Jackson sits a top the vast Kirkwood Cohansancy aquifer system which provides 1470 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:43,040 most of South Jerseys freshwater and h high density development massive 1471 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:51,199 warehouse projects unregulated sprawl threatened to drain the lower the levels 1472 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:58,960 of water. You know there is danger of the groundwater in the area is highly 1473 01:48:53,600 --> 01:49:05,840 vulnerable to pollutants like PFAS. Uh while tap water usually meets the 1474 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:12,080 federal limits, testing it has revealed contaminants 1475 01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:17,760 exceeding the EPA health guidelines. Much of Jackson borders on the 1476 01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:24,159 pinelands. Development projects sometimes bypass the commission 1477 01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:31,040 regulations and it allows for septic systems and runoff that will pollute 1478 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:36,400 shallow porous aquifer. The reason I'm bringing all this up is we never ran 1479 01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:42,080 into this kind of stuff because the town was never overdeveloped. 1480 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:48,239 Never. all of it because I've been here 24 years and all of a sudden 1481 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:54,880 we're getting so I'm literally sandwiched in where I live and all of a 1482 01:49:51,440 --> 01:50:01,440 sudden I called a plumber. I said, "Come and look and see. What is this orange 1483 01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:12,159 glaze? What is this?" He opened up the tank. It's it's caked in all this orange 1484 01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:19,520 stuff and it's coming from the water. You know, this has nothing to do with, 1485 01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:23,119 you know, I get along well with Mr. Bernstein. I do. We talk. 1486 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:30,000 » Give me a lot of advice. >> There we go. you know, and I get along 1487 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:35,760 with a lot of acidic Jews, but we have to address that if you overpop 1488 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:40,960 populate Jackson, we could lose our water and then you 1489 01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:48,719 lose the whole town. I don't know how else to say it. Who in you will not be 1490 01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:53,760 if we lose our water here, then how are you selling your homes to get get out? 1491 01:50:51,600 --> 01:51:00,080 How do you how do you do that? Take take another 10 seconds. 1492 01:50:55,040 --> 01:51:06,320 » So, you know, to me, this is a huge issue that everyone in town has to take 1493 01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:10,000 into consideration with the overdevelopment. 1494 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:12,719 » I'll I'll address it. >> I guess that you know that's the best 1495 01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:17,201 way to say it. >> Thanks, Holly. [applause] 1496 01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:26,000 » Good evening. Holly Reynolds. I'm on the Environmental Commission, but Speaking 1497 01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:29,840 as a resident tonight, I'm asking the governing body to consider an important 1498 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:34,480 change to the way Jackson Township handles major site plan applications. 1499 01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:39,199 Jackson currently allows applicants to seek and receive preliminary and final 1500 01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:43,040 site plan approval together. I am asking a council to reconsider that practice 1501 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:47,360 and amend our ordinance so that preliminary site plan approval and final 1502 01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:52,239 site plan approval are separate sequential stages. This is not a request 1503 01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:56,400 to make development more difficult. It is a request to make the process more 1504 01:51:54,239 --> 01:52:01,119 deliberate, transparent, and protective for both the township and its residents. 1505 01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:06,159 The municipal land use law recognizes preliminary and final site plan approval 1506 01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:10,080 as two distinct stages. Preliminary approval is intended to establish the 1507 01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:14,400 general terms and conditions of the development. Final approval is where the 1508 01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:18,639 applicant demonstrates that the detailed engineering, construction documents, 1509 01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:22,719 drainage, landscaping, utilities, and other requirements conform to those 1510 01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:26,719 preliminary conditions. When we combine the two, we lose some of that 1511 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:31,280 distinction. The board can be asked to evaluate the overall land use concept, 1512 01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:36,320 environmental constraints, variances, drainage, utilities, landscaping, and 1513 01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:41,280 detailed engineering all at the same time. For a simple project that may not 1514 01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:46,480 create significant problem, but Jackson is not dealing with only with simple 1515 01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:50,880 projects. We are dealing with increasing increasingly complex development 1516 01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:54,719 proposals involving wetlands, seaw waterways, flood hazard areas, 1517 01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:58,639 groundwater recharge, endangered species habitat in extensive tree clearing, 1518 01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:02,639 septic systems, storm water infrastructure, and other 1519 01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:06,560 environmentally sensitive resources. For those projects, I believe Jackson needs 1520 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:10,960 a process that t asks two separate questions. First, is this development 1521 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:14,719 appropriate for the property? and is the proposed development footprint 1522 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:19,440 environmentally and legally feasible? That should be the pre preliminary 1523 01:53:16,719 --> 01:53:23,520 approval question. Then after the board establishes that appropriate footprint 1524 01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:26,960 and conditions, the second question should be, has the applicant provided 1525 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:31,679 the detailed engineering and documentation necessary to construct 1526 01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:35,679 what was actually approved. That should be the final approval question. I am 1527 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:40,000 asking the council to consider amending our ordinance so that an applicant 1528 01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:45,119 cannot simply receive preliminary and final approval at the same hearing. 1529 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:49,440 Instead, preliminary approval would be would have to be granted first with a 1530 01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:53,599 formal resolution establishing the conditions of that approval. Only after 1531 01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:58,719 those conditions have been satisfied should the applicant return to for final 1532 01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:02,960 site plan approval. I would also ask that the ordinance specifically address 1533 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:08,480 environmental resources at the preliminary stage. For example, where a 1534 01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:14,000 property contains wetlands, wetland buffers, sew waterways, flood hazards, 1535 01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:17,760 significant groundwater recharge areas, threatened or endangered species 1536 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:21,920 habitat, steep slopes, or other environmentally sensitive resources. The 1537 01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:27,040 board should make specific findings regarding avoidance, minimization, and 1538 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:30,800 mitigation before granting preliminary approval. This is particularly important 1539 01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:35,280 because once preliminary approval is granted, the developer receives 1540 01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:39,040 statutory protections regarding the general terms and conditions of that 1541 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:43,280 approval. We should therefore make sure that the fundamental environmental and 1542 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:48,239 land use questions are answered before those protections attach. I also believe 1543 01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:52,000 this would help prevent a problem we have seen in Jackson where extensive 1544 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:58,000 tree clearing or other site disturbance can occur while a property then sits 1545 01:54:55,199 --> 01:55:01,520 undeveloped for an extended period. If the township is going to approve a 1546 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:05,199 development footprint, we should know that the project is actually feasible 1547 01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:09,360 and that the environmental conditions have been properly addressed. I'm not 1548 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:14,080 asking council to deny development. I'm asking council to improve the process. 1549 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:17,440 Separate preliminary and final approvals would give the planning board and zoning 1550 01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:20,960 board a clearer decision-making framework, give residents a clearer 1551 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:25,119 understanding of what is actually being approved, and give applicants a 1552 01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:30,000 predictable process for moving their projects forward. So tonight, my spec my 1553 01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:34,400 specific request is I'm asking the council to review chapter 244 and 1554 01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:39,199 prepare an ordinance amendment that establishes preliminary and final major 1555 01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:44,239 site plan approval as separate sequential approvals consistent with the 1556 01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:48,239 municipal land use law. I would also ask that the proposed amendment include 1557 01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:51,920 specific environmental findings and conditions at the preliminary stage, 1558 01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:56,400 particularly for projects involving wetlands, waterways, flood planes, 1559 01:55:54,400 --> 01:56:00,480 groundwater resources, endangerous species habitat, and significant tree 1560 01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:05,360 clearing. Jackson has an opportunity to make its land use approval process more 1561 01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:10,159 transparent, more predictable, and more protective of the natural resources that 1562 01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:13,265 this community depends on. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] 1563 01:56:20,639 --> 01:56:26,639 Uh, good evening council and ladies and gentlemen in the audience. Uh, my name 1564 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:31,679 is John Pajowski. I live at Bartley Road in Jackson. Two 1565 01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:36,159 weeks ago, our community was impacted by a heartbreaking tragedy. A nine-month 1566 01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:42,639 old child was killed and her mother and sibling were severely injured when they 1567 01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:47,679 were struck by an unlicensed driver living here despite a final removal 1568 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:52,800 order from immigration officials. This has rightfully brought new scrutiny 1569 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:56,960 to New Jerseys sanctuary state policies. As a career law enforcement officer, I 1570 01:56:54,880 --> 01:57:01,599 have seen firsthand the dangers of sanctuary policies that prevent local 1571 01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:05,920 law enforcement from communicating and coordinating with federal law 1572 01:57:03,199 --> 01:57:11,360 enforcement agencies, especially when an undocumented individual has committed a 1573 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:15,760 crime within a local community. No one is safer when a state prohibits law 1574 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:21,199 enforcement agencies from talking to one another. This is why today I'm calling 1575 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:26,000 on the Jackson Council to join towns from across the state in passing a 1576 01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:30,880 resolution opposing the expended sanctuary policies that the state of New 1577 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:35,520 Jersey passed into law earlier this year. I hope the residents of Jackson 1578 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:40,880 will join me in standing up for safer communities. This tragic event could 1579 01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:47,679 have been any one of our family members in any one of our parking lots. 1580 01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:51,119 Uh, on a personal note, I understand the why people come to our country. My 1581 01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:57,040 parents came and immigrated to America many years ago. I'm first generation 1582 01:57:52,960 --> 01:58:01,280 born here in America and I'm grateful to my parents and I tell them pretty much 1583 01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:06,800 every day, thank you for coming to America. We're blessed to enjoy 1584 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:12,080 everything we've got. That being said, again, I asked the 1585 01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:18,080 council in passing a resolution. I'm going to pivot real quick. Um, second 1586 01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:24,320 topic. My experience uh at 911 as a law enforcement officer responder. Um, we 1587 01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:30,000 were there right after September 11th. We helped for months and months after 1588 01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:36,159 the fact. As tragic we all know that event was, um, one thing I noticed more 1589 01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:41,760 so a year later and and a few years after that, how that tragic event 1590 01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:48,880 brought the rest of the country together. We were united. It was 1591 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:53,119 America. Uh, we had flags on cars, flags on houses, and for a while there you 1592 01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:59,040 couldn't buy a flag. That's how united we were. I just pray that we don't need 1593 01:58:56,159 --> 01:59:03,280 another September 11th to bring us all together. And the last thing I want to 1594 01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:07,442 say, I do concur. CGS does have the best wings. All right. And it's Wing 1595 01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:12,960 Wednesday tomorrow, 75 cent wings. [laughter] Mr. PCH, I got 1596 01:59:09,407 --> 01:59:17,679 [applause and cheering] Mr. told Jeff, you brought up illegal drivers and an 1597 01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:23,360 accident. I'm going to bring up something. 1598 01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:29,599 February 17th, 2001, my daughter was ran down by a drunk 1599 01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:34,320 illegal person in the country driver. She's alive today, thank God. She's on a 1600 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:39,440 highway behind a broken car that had an accident. the car hit her and put her 1601 01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:44,080 over the top to the front of the other car. We got the call, my wife and I, to 1602 01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:47,119 get down to Delaware immediately. We didn't know what was going to happen. 1603 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:51,920 Like I say, we're blessed she's alive today and well changed a whole career 1604 01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:56,560 path. And when you mentioned illegal drivers 1605 01:59:54,239 --> 02:00:01,920 and drunk drivers, you hit a spot with me because I can definitely relate to 1606 01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:07,840 it. Especially when he got a $50 fine and deported. That was it. So, it's it's 1607 02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:10,960 hits home with that and it hits home with a lot of people and that's why I 1608 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:16,080 said earlier tonight it was an accident totally preventable and I'll sign 1609 02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:20,203 anything to deport these type of people. Thank you 1610 02:00:18,183 --> 02:00:20,203 [applause] 1611 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:31,679 banning 22orn court in Jackson. We're at a crossroads here as far as the 1612 02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:35,840 rules apply to you. They apply to me. They apply to everyone. 1613 02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:40,960 One of the issues I have tonight is parking. 1614 02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:45,679 When a new project is presented before the planning board and the zoning board, 1615 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:50,080 one of the very first things that should be approved 1616 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:55,520 or asked from either any of these boards, including the council, do you 1617 02:00:52,800 --> 02:01:00,159 have sufficient parking? If the answer is no, you cannot do the 1618 02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:03,520 project. I'm going to give you five examples. On 1619 02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:08,800 Brewers Bridge Road, and they all happen to be houses of worship. The very 1620 02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:12,400 corner, the Bridgewater Court, there's a building that's going to be built right 1621 02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:16,320 after Tip Tam, there's a little tiny house when you go down and the speed 1622 02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:20,800 limit changes to 30 on the right hand side that's going to be converted to a 1623 02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:25,119 house of worship. And then you also on the corner of Clear Stream. Not one of 1624 02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:31,360 these places is going to have sufficient parking for the building they built. Not 1625 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:35,760 one of them. Our streets are not meant for overflow parking. 1626 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:41,280 They can't handle overflow parking. Bitney Lane is a mess. A real big mess 1627 02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:45,199 on that corner. Both way both sides of the street are parked on. You can't even 1628 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:48,560 get through one way or the other because you don't know if somebody's going to 1629 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:53,280 come the other direction. We need to approve the parking 1630 02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:59,679 requirements with these buildings that they must meet 25 uh one one parking 1631 02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:04,880 spot for every 250 square ft just like the commercial building would have to 1632 02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:08,159 do. We must meet the same requirements. Otherwise, we we're going to be in 1633 02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:14,774 trouble. There's always going to be parking up and down the roads. Our roads 1634 02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:16,794 are not meant for parking. Thank you. [applause] 1635 02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:26,960 uh Joseph Sullivan uh right here in Jackson 1636 02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:31,040 » and you're speaking as an individual. >> I'm speaking as an individual, not as a 1637 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:36,400 member of the planning board or the rent leveling board. But I do as a citizen 1638 02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:40,560 have a problem when we have a council member who calls for the resignation of 1639 02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:47,520 the leadership of [clears throat] the planning board very vaguely doesn't 1640 02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:52,400 mention names and then alludes to things. He alludes that they may be 1641 02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:57,920 dirty, they may be on the tape, they may be um politically compromised. 1642 02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:01,840 He's done the same thing to all of you in the council. He's accused all of you 1643 02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:07,360 at one time or another of being on the tape or being 1644 02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:12,159 being uh politically bought and he gets away with it. He gets away with 1645 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:19,440 everything he says. He attacks that lady that came up here online 1646 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:24,080 » and then he comes and then he says, "Excuse one second, 1647 02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:27,199 » ladies and gentlemen. This is his time. He has a right to say whatever he wants 1648 02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:33,119 even as even if we don't agree with it. He fills the room with his little 1649 02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:34,880 gestabo of followers that that that run their mouth. 1650 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:38,080 » Order. Or order >> and make statements. And he sits there 1651 02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:44,639 with a little smirk on his face because he knows he controls the room. 1652 02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:49,599 » This is the guy who guys, >> please let him have his f Mr. Sullivan. 1653 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:55,199 Please stop. Please stop. >> Pete, excuse me. Excuse me. 1654 02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:58,320 Excuse me. This is his five minutes. You feel free to come up and say I've been 1655 02:03:56,719 --> 02:04:01,119 very patient to everyone else. Let him speak. 1656 02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:02,400 » Mr. >> Okay. 1657 02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:08,159 » Go. >> I'm I'm speaking and my first amendment, 1658 02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:11,199 right? And if you don't like it, puff, >> I'll say this. 1659 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:15,679 » Return time to him if he wants. >> Yes. Return my time, please. I a lost to 1660 02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:19,400 this to this nun. >> Please return his time. 1661 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:25,040 » Hold on. Hold on. [clears throat] I want to stop for a 1662 02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:28,480 second. There have been many things that have been set up here over the years 1663 02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:32,480 since I've been council president, give or take, that I don't agree with. I I've 1664 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:36,639 never interrupted or I've tried never to interrupt anyone. Let's give Mr. Svin 1665 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:40,000 the courtesy even if we don't like what he says. And I'm sure Councilman 1666 02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:42,960 Pollock, if he wants to respond after when I get to all the comments, could 1667 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:46,000 respond. He knows how to defend himself quite well. 1668 02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:51,679 » Thank you. So, we have a man here in Chris Pollock who uh followers accused 1669 02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:56,960 me of being a homosexual. uh accused made fun of my disability, 1670 02:04:54,560 --> 02:05:03,760 made fun of my looks, accused me of getting the town into a lawsuit on an 1671 02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:10,639 ordinance he voted for. And then you have the d the dichconomy. Here's a 1672 02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:15,599 man whose followers and his groups call me a homosexual, but he is marching in 1673 02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:22,480 the gay pride parades when we get back. Here's a man who tries to divide the 1674 02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:28,000 town, goes after those so-called evil Orthodox people, and it's all in those 1675 02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:32,880 groups of yours, and then there you are with pictures of you meeting with a very 1676 02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:39,440 wealthy Orthodox individual who has an ambulance company. 1677 02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:45,040 You play both sides of the aisle so well because these people want to believe. 1678 02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:49,199 They want to believe that you will be able to break the law for them. That you 1679 02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:54,719 will be able to make all these people disappear that you don't like. That the 1680 02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:59,840 town will turn the clock back 20 years because you want it to be that way. And 1681 02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:04,159 it's just not going to happen. But they're not all falling for it. Some of 1682 02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:07,679 them are waking up to your shenanigans and and they're starting to realize what 1683 02:06:06,639 --> 02:06:11,920 they're dealing with with you. Even though they saw those pictures, they 1684 02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:16,480 know what they're dealing with. They're dealing with someone who's a snake oil 1685 02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:20,080 salesman who will say anything to get elected 1686 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:26,239 whose running mate will turn the tragedy of a death of a child into a political 1687 02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:30,639 statement for his mayoral campaign from a woman that will come up to the 1688 02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:35,520 microphone and claim her house was home invaded. And then we find out it was a 1689 02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:40,079 rental property that she didn't live at. It wasn't home invasion. It was a 1690 02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:44,560 robbery in a neighborhood that was having crime at the time. 1691 02:06:42,719 --> 02:06:48,159 » So yeah, but it's not the house of >> Mr. Sullivan to the chair. 1692 02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:53,679 » So I mean they they they will they will 1693 02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:57,920 bend the truth. They will throw anything at you. She made accusations or 1694 02:06:56,079 --> 02:07:02,159 illusions that it was some kind of political statement that someone home 1695 02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:07,040 invaded her. It was a robbery at a rental house, which I would like to 1696 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:12,560 know. she was on the registry of of of landlords at the time because that would 1697 02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:17,199 be an interesting thing to find out. We're dealing with here people with no 1698 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:21,920 scruples that tell people to fill the room and turn it into a circus sideshow 1699 02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:25,079 so he can get elected with his team of very men. 1700 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:31,440 » You look at this room and it's proof of it. People will watch this video across 1701 02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:35,920 the country and they'll laugh at Jackson Township and it's all because of you. 1702 02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:41,520 You've turned it into a circus. You've turned it into a political statement and 1703 02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:47,280 not reality. You talk on both sides of your mouth. 1704 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:50,960 You chastise the uh the orthodox and then you 1705 02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:56,239 » and then you take the money from a rich Orthodox. 1706 02:07:52,800 --> 02:08:00,480 » Solvent. Times up. >> Council, I really appreciate when he 1707 02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:04,719 comes up and speaks. I think it is wonderful. I don't think you do yourself 1708 02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:08,480 a service, the mayor a service, the Republican club a service, the planning 1709 02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:16,960 board a service. When you come up and speak, you say ridiculous things. 1710 02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:22,079 I no, it just it's nonsense. Attributing random people online based 1711 02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:27,040 off of what you do and say what they say about you has nothing to do with me. I 1712 02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:30,400 don't care about you. Like like as as far as like this stuff's concerned, I 1713 02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:36,760 care about what the planning board does. I do because I care about my town. But 1714 02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:36,760 you know, 1715 02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:41,679 » this is just nonsense. >> Chris, we'll get 1716 02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:46,480 » I'm here simply. I was voted in. Why? To represent the 1717 02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:50,079 people, to speak for the people. And yes, I meet with Jewish residents. 1718 02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:54,480 Because I'm supposed to represent everybody here. And this is a problem. 1719 02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:59,360 Yeah, I speak up a voice maybe on the other side, but Jewish people here have 1720 02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:02,639 a voice, too. I represent everyone. and everybody could come up and speak to me. 1721 02:09:00,719 --> 02:09:06,400 And that woman, yeah, maybe we disagree, but you know what? I respect her for 1722 02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:10,560 coming up and saying what she needs to say to me, even if we disagree, even if 1723 02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:13,599 it's mean towards me. I'm going to fire back. We're going to have a back and 1724 02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:17,840 forth. But you know what? We stood respectful. And she wants to make things 1725 02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:23,040 better. And I would sit there and work with her on anything she wants to do if 1726 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:26,000 it's a good thing for this community. You know what? You You want to make this 1727 02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:29,679 about you? I can make this about you. You were attached to the former mayor. 1728 02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:33,040 You were a guy for the former mayor all the time and now, 1729 02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:37,440 » excuse me, excuse me, and now you're attached to this mayor and this gowns 1730 02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:40,560 and this dude, you're a bottom feeder. >> We don't need people like this in 1731 02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:46,784 government. Maybe you should take my advice from last meeting. 1732 02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:46,784 » I don't trust your judgment. [applause] 1733 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:54,040 » Coming up and we'll have time at the end to respond more. 1734 02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:58,719 » All right. Uh >> order. 1735 02:09:57,199 --> 02:10:00,800 » See if I can bring the temperature down here. 1736 02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:05,440 » It's all yours. >> Dan, uh Dan from uh Green Street Drive. 1737 02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:10,800 Um first of all, I just I want to acknowledge the uh beautiful um 1738 02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:18,400 proclamation that we had for September 11th here earlier. Uh it dawned on me 1739 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:25,040 today that um my 25th birthday was a day after September 11th. So on September 1740 02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:30,719 11th, I was 24, turned 25 the next day, and now we're 25 years later, right? 1741 02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:34,159 Wow. So, uh, that I guess it just hit me a little different today. 1742 02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:38,000 » And then if you guys do the math on that, that also means that when Aspen 1743 02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:42,480 Tree Company went into business, I wasn't quite yet born. [laughter] I was 1744 02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:47,760 the bun in my mom's oven there. So, um, that's awesome that they've been here 1745 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:51,760 for 50 years. That's amazing. So, um, first of all, I I want to say that it 1746 02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:56,239 was it's heartbreaking to hear about the tragic accident that that took place 1747 02:10:54,320 --> 02:11:00,960 just a couple weeks ago. Took the life of a nine year ninemonth-old here in 1748 02:10:58,239 --> 02:11:05,360 Jackson and severely injured the mother and some of the other siblings as well. 1749 02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:10,159 I had a chance to talk to Morai before the meeting and my heart goes out to the 1750 02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:15,040 family for their loss and whatever positive impact that child would have 1751 02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:18,560 made in this world, we will never know. Um, but I'm sure the world would have 1752 02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:24,480 been a better place with that child in it. So, it is it's truly a loss for this 1753 02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:28,480 entire community. Uh, the administration's response is 1754 02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:32,239 something I have an issue with and I think that was one of her running mates 1755 02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:38,400 that came up earlier and asked for a resolution. um denouncing the uh the 1756 02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:42,480 state's policy here. So, whenever there's like a mass shooting, right, and 1757 02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:46,159 Americans, they want to have a serious conversation about gun reform, they're 1758 02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,920 always told that it's not the time to discuss that. And they're accused of 1759 02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:54,480 politicizing a tragedy. And I don't see how that's any different 1760 02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:57,920 than the mayor's reaction. The mayor called for the town council and so in 1761 02:11:56,079 --> 02:12:03,440 her running mate to pass a resolution denouncing the state's sanctuary state 1762 02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:06,960 policy. Now, if I'm not mistaken, I think LA beat me to the punch, but that 1763 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:12,400 was already passed by the council last year. So, let's set aside for a moment 1764 02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:16,400 the fact that the municipality has no authority to supersede state or federal 1765 02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:22,239 law. I failed to see what the logic would be 1766 02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:28,320 in repeating this action. So, how's this supposed to go? We we we denounce it, 1767 02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:31,119 the state does nothing. We announce it a second time. What's the state going to 1768 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:34,639 say like? Oh, well, it's announced it a second time, so now we're going to take 1769 02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:37,920 you seriously. That's that's kind of ridiculous. 1770 02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:42,320 But more importantly, it it fails to accurately understand what the state's 1771 02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:46,000 policy actually is. So, I'm going to take some time to educate the people 1772 02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:50,159 here on the actual policy. And I want to read a portion of the immigrant trust 1773 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:53,199 directive, which is available to anybody to read on the state attorney general 1774 02:12:51,599 --> 02:12:58,400 threat site. The directive ensures that victims and 1775 02:12:55,520 --> 02:13:03,440 witnesses feel safe reporting crimes to local law enforcement without fear of 1776 02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:07,440 deportation. So what that means is that if I was an undocumented im immigrant 1777 02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:13,599 and I either witnessed a crime such as assault or robbery or rape or murder or 1778 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:17,920 was a victim of a crime, I could report that to authorities without fear of 1779 02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:22,960 deportation. So to me, that sounds like it actually does keep the community 1780 02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:27,040 safe. And to be clear, denouncing that would mean that this uh policy, you're 1781 02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:31,280 actually advocating for an increase in unreported crime in the state. So the 1782 02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:35,599 mayor's implication here is that if the state didn't have this policy, that the 1783 02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:39,920 tragic accident would not have occurred. But I have yet to see any evidence of 1784 02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:44,079 that. For that to be factual, that would mean that either of the two individuals 1785 02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:47,760 who were arrested would have had to have an encounter with law enforcement 1786 02:13:45,599 --> 02:13:53,119 previously that resulted in law enforcement not informing ICE or customs 1787 02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:58,079 and border control of the immigration status of either of the two individuals. 1788 02:13:55,520 --> 02:14:02,159 I have seen seen zero reporting uh backing that claim and I've read m 1789 02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:06,560 multiple articles on this. I want to further read to you guys uh 1790 02:14:04,639 --> 02:14:10,719 some segments of the immigrant trust directive highlights uh which is 1791 02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:15,520 available to the public. It's and that and the 13 uh page policy are available 1792 02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:21,040 also on the attorney uh general's website. The immigrant trust directive 1793 02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:25,440 seeks to strengthen the bond between law enforcement and immigrant communities. 1794 02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:31,040 No one should suffer in silence out of fear of being identified as non-citizen. 1795 02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:36,400 New Jersey law enforcement will comply with and enforce arrest warrants when 1796 02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:41,040 the warrant is signed by a judge. New Jersey is not a sanctuary state for 1797 02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:44,880 anyone who commits a crime in New Jersey. 1798 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:49,840 New Jersey's law enforcement officers will investigate New Jerseys state 1799 02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:55,040 criminal offenses and any person who violates New Jerseys criminal laws will 1800 02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:59,440 be arrested and prosecuted for their actions regardless of immigration 1801 02:14:57,119 --> 02:15:04,800 status. And that's exactly what happened in this case. Laws were broken and 1802 02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:08,639 individuals responsible were arrested regardless of their immigration status. 1803 02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:12,480 Just give me 30 seconds to wrap up. >> 20. 1804 02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:15,679 » Thank you. Um, look, last week I I spoke about or the couple weeks ago the need 1805 02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:19,280 to unify the community and stop villainizing each other. I see this as 1806 02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:24,800 an attempt to just score political points by shifting the focus on vill to 1807 02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:28,079 to villainizing immigrants. I understand the need to want to do something to 1808 02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:31,360 acknowledge and honor the life that was lost. I think there's a many potential 1809 02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:36,000 ways we could do that. We could have created an annual scholarship for the 1810 02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:40,400 children here in Jackson in the name of the the the child that was lost to help 1811 02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:44,159 improve the future lives of of other children here in this community or 1812 02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:48,239 commemorate the tragedy in some other way. But there's many ways we could do 1813 02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:52,719 that that honor and uplift rather than punch down on the minority community. In 1814 02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:58,159 summary, I stand opposed to any resolution that would uh as this 1815 02:15:56,320 --> 02:16:02,320 accomplishes nothing of merit. It promotes an increase in crime and does 1816 02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:08,654 nothing to heal our community or honor the life of a child that was tragically 1817 02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:08,654 taken from us. Thank you. [applause] 1818 02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:22,719 Hello. Good evening. My name is Lori and my 1819 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:28,320 husband and I own Windhaven Farms here in Jackson. I'm sorry if you have to 1820 02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:33,359 hear this story twice. Um, my version is slightly softer than the handsome guy 1821 02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:37,679 who said it before with the gray goatee. Last week I was out with our animals and 1822 02:16:35,359 --> 02:16:42,800 I heard that sound. Not a branch falling, but a deep cracking noise like 1823 02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:46,559 something being torn apart. I looked up and there's an excavator reaching over 1824 02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:52,240 our property about 10 to 15 feet, ripping out shrubs and fencing um that 1825 02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:56,960 had been there for decades. By the time I got there, 40 feet was 1826 02:16:54,160 --> 02:17:01,599 gone. So, I physically got in front of it, yelling and waving my arms to make 1827 02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:05,760 them stop. And this wasn't the first time. When the land was clear-cut for 1828 02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:09,920 the subdivision a year or so ago, a couple years ago, changing a landscape 1829 02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:14,880 from garden, pastures, and serene forests to nothingness, the machine 1830 02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:18,240 operator back then was careless and some of the trees fell into our fence. Of 1831 02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:23,599 course, it wasn't the same fence. It was down a ways. They apologized and it was 1832 02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:28,240 patched up. They never told us if we hadn't been adamant about checking our 1833 02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:33,120 fence line because if one of our horses get uh gets hit by a car, we we own the 1834 02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:36,800 car. They apologized back then and it was 1835 02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:40,719 patched up, sloppy with inferior product. They ran to Lowe's and got the 1836 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:45,359 cheapest stuff that they could find to patch the area another 40 50 feet when 1837 02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:48,639 they did that. This time, like the first, they didn't 1838 02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:52,960 notify us. I couldn't believe that this was happening again. 1839 02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:57,840 When the man's boss arrived, he started with, "We have no plans to remove the 1840 02:17:55,200 --> 02:18:02,160 fence." I informed him that he needed to use the past tense because 40 plus feet 1841 02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:06,960 had already been destroyed. When he continued with, "I don't we 1842 02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:10,880 didn't know that the fence was there to our orders were to clear up to the fence 1843 02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:14,399 that they didn't know was there." And finally, we would have never touched 1844 02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:20,080 your fence. You didn't need to worry because according to the survey, it's on 1845 02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:24,719 your side. And those explanations left me with a simple question. Where does 1846 02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:28,800 that way of thinking end? If a hundred-year-old house sat inches over a 1847 02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:32,800 property line, would a builder or an employer of that builder think it 1848 02:18:30,319 --> 02:18:38,160 acceptable to swing equipment into the house and follow that order? Of course, 1849 02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:42,639 a fence isn't a house, but the principle is exactly the same. Before you destroy 1850 02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:46,960 someone's property, you stop. You verify. That's why I'm asking for 1851 02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:53,120 something so basic. notice, accountability, and respect. 1852 02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:58,000 Our farm isn't hard to find. We get texts, emails, phone calls, letters, 1853 02:18:55,840 --> 02:19:02,000 even notes in our mailbox from people who want to buy our property. By the 1854 02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:06,960 way, we're property poor. Thanks for doubling our taxes. If strangers can 1855 02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:10,800 find us that easily, then surely someone planning demolition work along our 1856 02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:16,000 shared property line could have notified us easily first. 1857 02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:20,399 Meanwhile, along with the fence line, a walnut tree older than me was ripped 1858 02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:26,000 apart. One of the main limbs ripped off by the machinery, peeling the t four 1859 02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:31,040 feet of the trunk with the just it was just hanging there. Leaving damage that 1860 02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:34,559 most likely will kill it. This would have been avoided by simply using a 1861 02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:39,920 chainsaw instead to cut the limb that was over the property line. Heck, if he 1862 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:44,719 had notified us, my husband would have cut back the limb himself. He's quite 1863 02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:48,880 good with a chainsaw. Apparently, our tree represented no 1864 02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:55,680 value to the builder. Shrubs we had nurtured as pollinators covered in bees 1865 02:19:51,760 --> 02:20:02,000 were lying at my feet destroyed. Eventually, to make amends, the builder 1866 02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:06,319 promised um survey markers to replace the fence, but only part of that was 1867 02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:11,120 done. Approximately 60% of the fence line was marked as promised. 1868 02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:16,240 and he promised to replace the fence with proper livestock grade fencing. We 1869 02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:20,880 explained to him that what he saw there was the first fence and it and it wasn't 1870 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:24,680 good enough. So, um 1871 02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:31,280 when my husband went back to check on their fencing job, he couldn't believe 1872 02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:36,240 what he said what he saw. They had installed the fence upside down. 1873 02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:42,800 Yeah, that's the thing. when you have livestock fencing, the lowest gauge uh 1874 02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:46,560 the thickest wire is at the top. And that's the thing. So, their second 1875 02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:51,359 attempt with proper installers we were promised was just as comical. We go out 1876 02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:57,359 and we hear see them hammering seven foot uh Tposts in three feet into the 1877 02:20:53,840 --> 02:21:00,640 ground with carpentry hammers. All you heard out there was dink dink 1878 02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:04,399 dink. And then they wound up getting yet 1879 02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:08,560 another group that really knew what they were doing. by the third time. And at 1880 02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:14,160 this time, the fence is up. However, it's it's still not properly tensioned, 1881 02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:18,160 but I kind of given up at this point. The saying is, ironically, good uh 1882 02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:22,720 fencing makes good neighbor. For decades, give me another 20 seconds. 1883 02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:26,960 » We've cleared that line, not because the survey said so, but because it matters 1884 02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:31,280 to keep animals safe, to steward the land, and to be good neighbors. Growth 1885 02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:35,760 is coming. I get that. But growth without respect destroys more than 1886 02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:41,280 fences. It tears at trust. And I'm not asking for anything special, just 1887 02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:46,479 accountability and respect. Um, I've heard in interviews, Councilman 1888 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:50,880 Pollock speak about how much of the frustration surrounding development 1889 02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:54,800 comes from the feeling of unfairness, like different rules for different 1890 02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:59,520 people. When people feel that, it breeds resentment instead of trust. My husband 1891 02:21:57,359 --> 02:22:03,600 and I have no plans of leaving Jackson. This is our home. And we want to 1892 02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:07,520 continue being good neighbors. And we understand that growth is coming and 1893 02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:12,160 we're not here to oppose growth. We're simply asking that growth also respects 1894 02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:15,760 the people who are already here. And I believe in treating people the way I'd 1895 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:20,640 want to be treated. I believe that problems can be solved with honesty, 1896 02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:24,720 communication, and respect. And a simple phone call or letter would have 1897 02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:29,868 prevented everything that I'm talking about tonight. Thank you for listening. 1898 02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:29,868 » Thank you very much. [applause] 1899 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:41,200 Good evening, folks. Jim Hurley, three Sunningdale Court. 1900 02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:44,240 I'm glad I came tonight. It kind of reminds me why I never ran for office. 1901 02:22:43,568 --> 02:22:49,200 [laughter] Um, 1902 02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:54,080 I'm here to discuss the u the ordinance that was adopted on the 1903 02:22:51,520 --> 02:23:00,560 data centers. Before anyone misunderstands me, I am totally against 1904 02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:05,920 data centers. No question about that. When the ordinance came up for adoption, 1905 02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:12,160 I made a couple of comments. Those comments related to the method under 1906 02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:19,680 which you were utilizing to prohibit a prohibited use. Um, and I was hoping 1907 02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:25,280 that you might take a a a different process, but you didn't. Now that we 1908 02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:29,120 did, I think there are some things that we need to address. And I'm hoping that 1909 02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:35,439 what you're going to do is reconsider that ordinance and make corrections to 1910 02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:41,439 avoid the benefit that's being given to a developer in this case. Number one, 1911 02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:47,359 the title of the of the ordinance itself. When you introduce the title or 1912 02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:54,640 you introduce it by title, even when you give public notice to to the people on 1913 02:23:50,560 --> 02:24:00,160 adoption, you you identify it by title. And the title simply says 1914 02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:04,960 um amending the code and I'm just I'm paraphrasing parts of it. Amending the 1915 02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:09,680 code of the development regulations to to regulate data centers. There's 1916 02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:15,120 nowhere in this ordinance that you regulate data centers. You prohibit it. 1917 02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:20,560 And there's a major difference between that word regulate and the word 1918 02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:24,479 prohibit. I strongly suggest you take another look at that. I'm raising it 1919 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:29,680 because I know where there are areas here that can be attacked and I believe 1920 02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:35,520 if attacked you're going to lose and that's [snorts] a problem. 1921 02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:40,479 » The second part of my my comments relates to some of the whereas 1922 02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:46,240 provisions your findings that you have in in in this ordinance I think are 1923 02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:52,399 okay. There are some that are not even purposes of zoning but who cares. Uh the 1924 02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:57,200 rest are okay. It's not a problem. But one of the whereas that I'm really 1925 02:24:54,319 --> 02:25:04,080 concerned about reads as follows. It says uh whereas township council further 1926 02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:10,720 finds that due to these characteristics data centers may not be appropriate 1927 02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:17,040 within many areas of the township. Absent 1928 02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:22,640 absent rigorous sightsp specific review and demonstration of infrastructure 1929 02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:27,120 capacity and uh compatibility. 1930 02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:33,359 What have you done? You've given a road map to a developer as to what he's got 1931 02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:38,080 to present in order to get a devariance. I can't believe you did that. And it's 1932 02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:45,600 right. In fact, my suggestion to you is take that phrase completely out. 1933 02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:51,520 that I think is a significant problem. The last item that I want to address is 1934 02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:57,040 actually two items. The last item, 1935 02:25:53,840 --> 02:26:01,920 this is the last one. Section two is being amended. 1936 02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:09,040 Uh it amends article article 6 section 244 176.2 1937 02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:14,960 entitled prohibited use. This is the one uh place in the ordinance that prohibits 1938 02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:20,640 data centers. And where did you put it? The section you put it in is right to 1939 02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:26,240 farm. If you look at your own code as to what 1940 02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:32,160 is a farm, a farm is where land is actively devoted to agricultural and 1941 02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:36,720 horicultural use. If I'm a developer, I'm going to come in and say, "Wait a 1942 02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:42,800 minute. the property that we on uh plan to develop is not dedicated in any way 1943 02:26:39,439 --> 02:26:48,880 to those uses and therefore I'm entitled to go here. So your prohibit your 1944 02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:54,720 prohibition prohibition that you planted in this is ordinance is in the wrong 1945 02:26:51,359 --> 02:26:58,720 place. Absolutely the wrong place. My suggestion to you is if you want to 1946 02:26:56,479 --> 02:27:02,800 prohibit it that way just put it in the definition. 1947 02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:06,319 Why not? You can certainly do that. Makes it 1948 02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:10,600 clear. So you're defining what a data center is and it's prohibited. 1949 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:14,439 The um 1950 02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:22,640 my my main concern here is I think you have to relook at it and you have to 1951 02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:28,319 redo the ordinance. And if you redo the ordinance, and I I suggest strongly that 1952 02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:32,720 you talk to your attorney about it because when I fir the first version 1953 02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:38,560 that I got from from the township clerk's office, I will guarantee you was 1954 02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:43,359 not de was not developed by the lawyer and was not even reviewed by the or by 1955 02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:48,080 the lawyer. I strongly suggest you review this the ordinance, make the 1956 02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:52,319 suggestions. What you've done here is give a significant benefit to a 1957 02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:56,000 developer. Thank you >> Mr. Hurley. Sir can 1958 02:27:53,760 --> 02:28:00,399 » sir I want to add >> please can you give the crowd your your 1959 02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:04,479 experience your professional experience what you did 1960 02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:07,600 sir. >> I generally don't do that. 1961 02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:13,800 » I know that but you did it last time and I think it's needed. 1962 02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:13,800 » Well I'm a lawyer. 1963 02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:20,399 So Ken, I'll say Judge Hurley, >> don't throw any rocks 1964 02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:24,319 » was a judge for a very very long time, a distinguished judge with a lot of land 1965 02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:28,880 use experience. >> Correct. And sir, I respect you and I 1966 02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:31,920 told you the last meeting you came up, I thought you had read some of my notes. 1967 02:28:30,160 --> 02:28:37,359 And I'm no lawyer and I'm no judge, trust me. And it's funny how I came up 1968 02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:41,760 with a lot of them same things. and and I definitely feel it has to be amended, 1969 02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:46,080 redone or something quickly because as a judge, you know what the time and 1970 02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:50,000 decision rule is. So that is the law in the town now. That ordinance data says 1971 02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:54,080 it's signed. >> Sorry for interruption. 1972 02:28:51,680 --> 02:29:00,240 » That's not a problem because if an application comes in for Dvarian and it 1973 02:28:57,040 --> 02:29:05,040 gets re gets uh rejected, they'll go to court and they won't only 1974 02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:08,160 challenge the devariance, the denial, they'll challenge the ordinance. That's 1975 02:29:06,319 --> 02:29:11,359 what I'm saying. So with it in in play now, they'll get hurt as a devarian. 1976 02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:15,040 They'll get they get turned down. They're going to fight the ordinance and 1977 02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:19,760 everything. And if we lose that case with the ordinance, that ordinance will 1978 02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:24,000 only help the applicant. >> And that's why when I said I'm voting no 1979 02:29:21,760 --> 02:29:28,800 for the ordinance, but bigger yet, I'm voting no to not help the applicants 1980 02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:33,520 with that ordinance. That's what I said in the last meeting and I stand by that. 1981 02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:36,560 Thank you, sir. I just wish I wish correct things so that you don't give 1982 02:29:35,439 --> 02:29:43,482 the benefit to the >> Okay, I'll I'll respond shortly. Next, 1983 02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:43,482 Mr. [applause] 1984 02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:52,000 » Helloetta. So, I want to talk about what Joe 1985 02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:56,319 Sullivan had just said and I think it's very interesting that Adam comes up here 1986 02:29:54,319 --> 02:30:03,040 and speaks. Code enforcement is at his house. Pat from earlier comes up and 1987 02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:08,080 speaks and or speaks out online and animal control shows up at his house and 1988 02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:16,840 he doesn't own any dogs. On 114 2025 was election day. Let me 1989 02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:16,840 pull up my police report 1990 02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:29,520 by officer Andrew Kalash on November 5th, 2025 at 2333 hours, 1991 02:30:25,520 --> 02:30:34,640 which is 11:30 at night the next day. There's 1,68 1992 02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:38,319 homes in 60 acres, which is yes, it's my rental property. Yes, I'm a registered 1993 02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:41,760 landlord. I'm also covered under Daniel's law. And for all those who work 1994 02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:46,479 in law enforcement are fully aware of what Daniel's law is. So, does it seem 1995 02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:50,720 coincidental that somebody pulled up my address and tried scaring me? Yes, it 1996 02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:55,040 does. 24 hours after Chris won the election. And it wasn't two men like I 1997 02:30:52,880 --> 02:30:59,600 had thought it was. It was five men according to the police report. So, what 1998 02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:03,040 are you robbing at 60 acres? Why do five men need to show up? What are you 1999 02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:06,479 getting by the time you walk out? You're going to split the stuff you stole from 2000 02:31:04,479 --> 02:31:11,520 60 acres? It's not a jewelry heist. It's not a bank robbery. It it it just all 2001 02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:17,840 seems very suspicious that 24 hours later, my house has five men kick my 2002 02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:21,920 front door down at 11:30 at night. Am I saying it wasn't any of you? Am I saying 2003 02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:25,920 it was a political stunt? Do I need sympathy votes for this election? I'm a 2004 02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:30,399 grown woman. I don't need anybody to sympathize with me. Okay, I also work in 2005 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:34,880 law enforcement. I don't need anybody to sympathize with me. So Joe could say 2006 02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:38,000 whatever he wants to say, but it's becoming a little ridiculous at this 2007 02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:41,920 point. Now, back to what I was originally going 2008 02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:46,240 to talk about. I would like to address our affordable housing plans in the 2009 02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:50,000 Pinelands. Jackson has an affordable housing obligation. I understand that. 2010 02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:56,160 But according to the Pinelands Commission, 58% of our fourth ground 2011 02:31:53,120 --> 02:32:00,319 obligation is planned for the Pelands. Why are we putting more than half of our 2012 02:31:58,160 --> 02:32:05,439 obligation on environmentally sensitive land that is protected for a reason? And 2013 02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:09,520 where does this stand today? Has the Pineland Commission approved these 2014 02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:14,479 proposals? If not, what is holding them up? And what is Jackson's plans if 2015 02:32:11,439 --> 02:32:19,120 they're if they're rejected? If 58% of our plan depends on development in the 2016 02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:23,600 Pelands, residents deserve to know what happens if those projects don't move 2017 02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:27,600 forward. I also think residents have a right to ask who benefits, who owns 2018 02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:31,359 these properties, who are the developers, and are there any 2019 02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:35,920 connections to the people making these decisions? As a mom raising my family 2020 02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:41,200 here, I care about what Jackson looks like 10, 20, 30 years from now. We have 2021 02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:44,319 an affordable housing obligation, but we should not have to sacrifice the land 2022 02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:48,240 we're supposed to be protecting to meet it. I would like to jump back to my 2023 02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:52,319 other point about my house because I just remembered. So, my tenant calls me 2024 02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:58,240 at 11:30 at night to tell me what happens. It's 11:30 at night, so we 2025 02:32:54,880 --> 02:33:03,439 cannot get anybody to fix the door. He's afraid that these men are going to come 2026 02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:06,880 back. He's retired law enforcement, so he's sitting on the sofa with his 2027 02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:12,479 firearm all night. Who do you think's up with him all night? Me. So, just because 2028 02:33:10,319 --> 02:33:15,840 I didn't live there did not mean that it did not affect me and my family. Thank 2029 02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:18,980 you. >> Thank you. [applause] 2030 02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:34,160 Jim Seleia, 53-y year resident of Jackson Township. 2031 02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:38,720 Um, want to talk tonight about Oprah a 2032 02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:43,680 little bit. Mr. Bernstein, you made a comment earlier about Oprah and how 2033 02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:49,680 we're handling it. And I guess I'm going to take you to task a little bit on it. 2034 02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:55,280 So on August 13th, I submitted the exact same OPER request to both Jackson 2035 02:33:52,560 --> 02:34:00,960 Township and to the state of New Jersey. And yes, it was on the budget. I was 2036 02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:06,880 looking for emails between Jackson and the state for the budget. 2037 02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:10,359 Here is the email that I received from Jackson Township. 2038 02:34:10,479 --> 02:34:16,399 The request has been completed. There are no responsive documents for this 2039 02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:21,040 request. That was done on August 19th. So yes, it 2040 02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:27,680 was done in a timely fashion. On August 24th, 2041 02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:32,880 I received my email from the state. This is in response to your open 2042 02:34:29,439 --> 02:34:41,040 request. Attached are the responsive records. There are eight PDF files with 2043 02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:46,479 emails included in each one. So the state had responsive documents. 2044 02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:51,920 Jackson Township didn't. It's kind of questionable. 2045 02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:56,560 So this discrepancy raises serious concerns about whether the township 2046 02:34:54,319 --> 02:35:01,200 conducted a legally required goodfaith search for records under Oprah. 2047 02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:06,240 Custodians must either provide the records, cite a lawful exemption, or 2048 02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:09,760 certified that no records exist after a proper search, which is what the 2049 02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:14,960 township did. But the state kind of said no. When a state can locate multiple 2050 02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:20,399 responsive documents but the tachute claims there are none, it suggests a 2051 02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:25,120 breakdown in our opra process whether due to inadequate searching, improper 2052 02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:28,880 withholding or failure to forward the request for the to the correct 2053 02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:34,479 department. Not blaming anyone in particular. Residents rely on Oprah for 2054 02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:39,120 transparency. I'm asking this govern governing body to investigate why the 2055 02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:44,000 township's OPER response contradicts the states and ensure that future OPER 2056 02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:49,600 requests are handled in full compliance with the New Jersey state law. 2057 02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:54,560 Now, going through those emails from the state, I want to point out a couple 2058 02:35:52,000 --> 02:36:03,280 things that were said. So on July 31st, Janette Larrison to 2059 02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:08,880 Fatina at the state. Now you'll see part of it 2060 02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:12,960 was redacted so I don't get to see what was there 2061 02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:17,840 but the following statement says and everybody should know this. Please be 2062 02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:23,359 advised as soon as possible when when estimated bills may be mailed as cash 2063 02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:30,000 flow is becoming an issue. This is on July 31st. 2064 02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:35,280 We had cash flow issues supposedly going back to June 25th 2065 02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:41,840 and I'm going to ask some questions that hopefully you'll all answer. Um the 2066 02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:47,359 state sent an email to Janette Larrison to Sandra Martin I don't know why this 2067 02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:53,120 one but to our previous business administrator L. Phillips. 2068 02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:58,319 and it says, "Good afternoon. The division has received notification that 2069 02:36:56,080 --> 02:37:03,840 the userfriendly budget with complete information was not provided to the 2070 02:37:00,720 --> 02:37:10,160 public in a timely fashion." And then it states the New Jersey administrative 2071 02:37:06,160 --> 02:37:14,880 code. So my question is this is the only email I got. So there 2072 02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:18,319 was never a response back to the state. Question is there something that we 2073 02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:24,399 should be doing re in regards to this? Do we have do we have to respond or not? 2074 02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:29,520 My question is, did anyone on this council 2075 02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:35,359 receive this email so that you can consider what needs to be done? Now, I 2076 02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:39,840 understand the budget was adopted, not approved. Got to get past that word. 2077 02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:47,520 It's never approved earlier, but this is a letter from the 2078 02:37:44,319 --> 02:37:53,680 state. We're not responding. So, do we just ignore things when it's convenient 2079 02:37:50,080 --> 02:38:00,800 for us to ignore them? We have to start being a lot better at 2080 02:37:57,120 --> 02:38:05,040 what we're doing. So, you know, I know no one's going to answer the question, 2081 02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:08,720 but it's out there. Uh, and if there's anything you want to have from me that 2082 02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:12,319 show that that will help you guys understand what you did wrong, I'll be 2083 02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:16,240 more than happy to give it to you. But somebody's got to start looking at Oprah 2084 02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:21,680 because you can't have the state give me eight eight email t it's eight 2085 02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:27,280 documents. There's multiple emails in in some of the uh documents. So and then 2086 02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:34,039 this the township say no we don't have any but the township is on these emails. 2087 02:38:32,020 --> 02:38:34,039 [applause] 2088 02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:55,600 Bernardum Cream Ra. Um, 2089 02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:59,840 I wanted I wanted to make a quick correction over 2090 02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:05,240 here because everyone wants to scream transparency 2091 02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:05,240 and um, 2092 02:39:05,359 --> 02:39:13,359 telling the truth with omission is All right, let's be clear 2093 02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:18,560 about that. It is not truth when there's things being held out. So, I was here 2094 02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:22,240 last month about uh perfect insanity farms. 2095 02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:26,800 I was at home listening to this meeting and I says they're going to do the right 2096 02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:32,399 thing and shame on me. Shame on me for thinking a body would do the right thing 2097 02:39:29,840 --> 02:39:38,560 and be fully transparent with it. Perfect. Insanity Farm. Seven goats, 2098 02:39:35,439 --> 02:39:42,319 four geese, one duck, 50 chickens. That sounds a hell of a lot more than a 2099 02:39:40,399 --> 02:39:48,160 couple of animals and I wish the president was sitting here. Um, 2100 02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:51,600 it's the first that I heard right there. You know, a couple of 2101 02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:53,920 animals. Just want to be clear about 2102 02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:57,439 that. >> Sir, we have children in the room. 2103 02:39:55,120 --> 02:40:01,280 Please refrain from using language. >> Who said that? 2104 02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:03,760 » Um, Mr. Pelary. >> Yes. 2105 02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:06,960 » Don't stop me with my with my freedom. >> I'm asking you to refrain. 2106 02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:09,520 » And I'm telling you, do not interrupt me again. Use foul language again then. Go 2107 02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:13,359 ahead. >> I'm telling you, do not interrupt me 2108 02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:17,600 again. Okay, 2109 02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:23,040 that's that. So, I'm glad you're back, Mr. 2110 02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:30,160 Mki. So, you uh you said it was a couple of animals. It's seven goats, four 2111 02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:35,040 geese, one duck, 50 chickens. Um it was brought up over here like an agreement 2112 02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:40,720 was made. I don't understand how it's put out as an agreement was made when 2113 02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:46,000 the agreement has not been agreed on. Okay. So, what the town is trying to 2114 02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:52,479 push is $5673 and that was from three months ago. What 2115 02:40:49,520 --> 02:41:00,280 Jessica Hillman is asking for is to be paid to date. 2116 02:40:56,319 --> 02:41:00,280 I'll give you the exact amount. 2117 02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:08,920 So the exact amount till today is $7,695.39. 2118 02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:15,000 It is not $5,635.86. 2119 02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:27,600 Okay. So she is ready to take on the animals once you guys pay her to date. 2120 02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:31,760 Not when she put in her complaint three months ago and it took you guys 3 months 2121 02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:35,640 to put it in whatever you had to put it in. Okay, 2122 02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:46,359 I have the emails just so the town knows this is what full 2123 02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:46,359 transparency is. 2124 02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:59,439 Email starts firstly. We absolutely want you to 2125 02:41:56,000 --> 02:42:08,359 pursue collection of the full amount due and owing to perfect insanity form. As 2126 02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:08,359 of last week, that amount is $7,695.39. 2127 02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:16,760 I want to ask you something. What did you guys approve to pay today? 2128 02:42:17,439 --> 02:42:23,880 You guys voted and don't know what what you voted like the amount of 2129 02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:31,240 You have you have your time. We don't want to interrupt you again. 2130 02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:37,520 » Mr. President, I'm giving you 30 seconds. 2131 02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:43,600 » We passed the resolution which had a little over $5,000 on it. 2132 02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:49,920 » Okay. The amount due is $7,000. Ju just so everyone understands that there's no 2133 02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:55,520 agreement made. She did not agree. Full transparency. Everyone wants to run 2134 02:42:51,760 --> 02:42:58,520 transparency. There is no agreement. 7,600. 2135 02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:08,000 I don't want to get it wrong. Uh 2136 02:43:05,359 --> 02:43:13,439 $95.39. Okay. The more you prolong this, 2137 02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:20,319 tomorrow if she has to buy hay or food, that goes up. The next day she has to do 2138 02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:24,160 it again, that goes up. Let's pay her to date and she's willing to take on the 2139 02:43:22,479 --> 02:43:27,920 animals. And it's not a couple of animals. We're talking about 70s 2140 02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:31,920 something animals. Let's do what's right, not what's half 2141 02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:35,920 right. Let's not put it out to the public like we're doing what's right 2142 02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:40,960 when it's not right. And let's just do what's right. Let's stop playing the the 2143 02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:46,080 politics and the because I'm allowed to say 2144 02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:48,560 And let's just get this over with. three months she's been fighting for it and 2145 02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:52,640 you guys didn't even get the right number out. 2146 02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:57,479 Come on. I don't want to come here again. Let's just pay her. 2147 02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:08,080 Um before the uh >> you have a name a name for the record or 2148 02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:12,560 » um Mike Brzinski 277 Grower Town Road, Jackson, New Jersey. 2149 02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:18,160 Um before the public comment started underneath the consent agenda these guys 2150 02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:22,279 I just want to know where it stands the um R135 2151 02:44:22,399 --> 02:44:30,880 2026 where Chris you said you voted no for it and 2152 02:44:28,800 --> 02:44:37,680 I'm assuming you said no also. Yeah but Bernstein 2153 02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:41,920 said yes. What what does that mean? I don't know where it stands. What did uh 2154 02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:45,760 Pal Mary >> That was for the county property. It 2155 02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:49,120 passed. It passed. Passed 32. >> So the now the county if they so choose 2156 02:44:47,359 --> 02:44:51,359 to vote to buy it, that's up to them. That's not up to us. The county has to 2157 02:44:50,720 --> 02:44:54,720 vote. >> Okay. Okay. That's because that was 2158 02:44:53,359 --> 02:44:58,000 unclear. >> Yeah. So we passed a resolution giving 2159 02:44:56,319 --> 02:44:59,920 the county permission to continue the conversation with the property owner. 2160 02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:03,600 Okay. >> Or urging them 2161 02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:06,000 » not it's a consent >> urging them that 2162 02:45:04,399 --> 02:45:09,040 » the county never goes into a township and buys open space without getting 2163 02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:12,760 municipal consent. So that was the consent to pass 32. 2164 02:45:16,319 --> 02:45:27,200 » My name is Mark, 42y year resident of Jackson. Um just I I'm only going to 2165 02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:33,680 take a minute, but um first thing I noticed that there are there were not 2166 02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:39,120 enough um summaries to go around tonight. I I don't I haven't seen that 2167 02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:41,760 before, but a lot of people did, you know, it's [clears throat] only half 2168 02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:47,920 full and a lot of people didn't have them, so just for next time. Um, second 2169 02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:56,080 thing is, uh, I know that the the main person in government here is is Mayor 2170 02:45:51,359 --> 02:46:01,920 Cune. And I find it very disheartening that when the public is speaking and she 2171 02:45:59,279 --> 02:46:08,240 could hear the true sentiments of the residents 2172 02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:14,000 that she's always gone. And I know I want I want the mayor to be 2173 02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:19,600 sitting there for this whole meeting. And I'm hoping 2174 02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:24,720 that Mr. Shtov if he's elected will do that because these these are very 2175 02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:30,319 important meetings and I feel like um the hearts of the people are are being 2176 02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:38,479 exposed here. Uh, and my the my main point is that um 2177 02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:44,720 we talk about open space and we talk about um 2178 02:46:41,279 --> 02:46:50,560 the the big picture of of our town, but it's our it's our neighborhoods, you 2179 02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:57,840 know, that's where we live. And so when we have um for instance um when we have 2180 02:46:54,880 --> 02:47:04,399 yeshivas houses of worship being dropped into our neighborhoods at 2181 02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:09,279 basically to us at random in random spots in existing 2182 02:47:07,279 --> 02:47:13,760 single family houses and I'll use I think it's 88 uh 2183 02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:19,840 um road I believe it's 88 but that's the 2184 02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:26,000 one that is it's the house of worship. There's probably 80 or 100 cars parked 2185 02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:34,240 there all the time. Um the one across from uh Camp Joy by Crawford Rodriguez, 2186 02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:39,120 that's a a 1900 square foot house that is now going to be a 14,000 square foot 2187 02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:43,920 house of worship. uh you know so when we talk about we 2188 02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:49,520 could say you know get three acres here and a few acres here it doesn't mean 2189 02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:55,600 anything to me because on my block I have houses with I've I have called code 2190 02:47:52,720 --> 02:48:02,640 enforcement five times in the last two months about a house in my neighborhood 2191 02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:07,439 that has 11 cars parked there non-stop. It's a single family house. I have not 2192 02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:12,080 heard back. And I passed there tonight on my way here. There were 11 cars. 2193 02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:17,040 There's no reason in the world there should be 11 cars in a single family 2194 02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:23,040 home because there there can't be 11 adults living there. So, I'm just 2195 02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:30,880 looking at this as a macro um situation of just my bubble. I don't 2196 02:48:28,560 --> 02:48:38,160 I care about the rest of the town big time, but I think we have to look at 2197 02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:44,080 ourselves on the blocks we live and and and concentrate on, you know, too much 2198 02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:47,840 too many cars, too much congestion, too much overdevelopment, you know, this 2199 02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:52,312 building going up here, this one going up here. That's what's affecting us. 2200 02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:54,331 That's all I have to say. Thank you. [applause] 2201 02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:03,520 Carlos with a notebook. That's dangerous. 2202 02:49:01,120 --> 02:49:08,439 Um, you mentioned it. So, I'm going to read 2203 02:49:04,960 --> 02:49:08,439 the the 2204 02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:15,680 heading on my notebook. Siht 2205 02:49:13,279 --> 02:49:19,680 I have to write down because I'm old. That's what my notebook is all about. 2206 02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:27,760 Um, okay. My main my main topic was going to 2207 02:49:23,359 --> 02:49:33,600 be 911. Um wanted to I think we all here have stories and and um I wanted to 2208 02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:38,080 convey a story to you guys. Um but some of the things came up so I'm 2209 02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:43,600 just going to quickly address them. Not really address them just mention it. Um 2210 02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:46,399 the sanctuary state did that resolution you passed it today? 2211 02:49:44,880 --> 02:49:48,560 » There is no sanctuary state resolution on the agenda today 2212 02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:53,359 » yet. It will come. Okay. >> I'll address that. 2213 02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:58,800 » Okay. So, I will I would like to I think I disagree with some of the stuff, but 2214 02:49:56,399 --> 02:50:04,880 there you go. Uh I'd like to address that in more detail then I'll wait I'll 2215 02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:08,000 wait for that. That's good. Um on the So, I'm on the zoning board. I don't 2216 02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:11,520 know if I mentioned that. >> Um and one of the things about the 2217 02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:16,640 zoning board is you take an oath to obey all the rules, right? State well, you 2218 02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:22,160 have to do it. Whether you like them or not, you have to obey them. Um so that's 2219 02:50:19,520 --> 02:50:27,200 why before about the data center hadn't passed yet so I could talk about it 2220 02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:31,520 right now that it's passed I can't talk about it. Um 2221 02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:37,120 » I I just want to say about the data centers though that um you know because 2222 02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:42,240 of the comments that were here. I think at least I got some nodding that this 2223 02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:48,319 was like a preliminary right we split it again. We knew we had to fix the way it 2224 02:50:45,040 --> 02:50:49,520 was written and add more teeth to it. Right? 2225 02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:52,479 » I'll address that. >> You know, I had a lot of problems with 2226 02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:57,840 the way it was written, right? The concept was good, but that's similar to 2227 02:50:55,600 --> 02:51:02,479 the gentleman that spoke here. There's a lot of issues. I I I believe. Okay, 2228 02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:07,760 that's all I'll say so I don't get into trouble. Um 2229 02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:12,560 911. So, yeah, this was beautiful. Was great. 2230 02:51:10,880 --> 02:51:19,840 Um but you know you bring up uh let's not 2231 02:51:16,399 --> 02:51:27,600 forget right and and um I would add to that and let's not allow 2232 02:51:23,200 --> 02:51:33,439 our educators starting school um and our politicians to rewrite history. I'm 2233 02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:38,399 really scared um of what's happening you know Mandami 2234 02:51:36,160 --> 02:51:43,200 in New York City and all that stuff. It's not just remember 2235 02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:51,120 I think Mr. Pal you mentioned it. Let's remember why who and all that. Okay. And 2236 02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:58,240 it's easy to forget because to us the older crowd uh we lived it. We tasted 2237 02:51:54,319 --> 02:52:04,960 it. We smelled it. Um I was down there. I I was down there. I I worked at the 2238 02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:09,279 time. This is the story part. Um at the time I was working at the financial 2239 02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:14,319 center. If anybody knows the financial center, it's right across the Westside 2240 02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:19,520 Highway. So, you have to go through the World Trade Center to get to the 2241 02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:24,880 financial center. Um, and and and because I was there and I felt it, I 2242 02:52:22,160 --> 02:52:28,319 heard it, I smelled it, I will never forget. And I'm sure that's true for a 2243 02:52:27,120 --> 02:52:33,279 lot of us, right? We'll never forget where we are. But our young people don't 2244 02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:37,760 have that, right? What they have is what they read, what they see on videos. to 2245 02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:43,439 them it might even look like a video game to them, right? And then that's a 2246 02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:50,319 shame. And so we definitely need um what we did here today and educate on exactly 2247 02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:56,640 what happened, why it happened, and let's not rewrite history. 2248 02:52:53,200 --> 02:53:00,240 Um so a little bit, everybody has a story about their 911. So but I'll I'll 2249 02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:06,479 tell you just three things that I remember very clearly. 2250 02:53:02,880 --> 02:53:12,880 One of them was with with the um with the the responders. 2251 02:53:10,399 --> 02:53:16,880 So I was one of the fortunate ones where my cell phone was actually working, 2252 02:53:15,359 --> 02:53:22,319 right? So um right away police officer and I 2253 02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:27,200 think there was a a fire person there. There was a whole bunch. Um but he came 2254 02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:31,760 to me, oh, you know, took my phone, tried to tried to [clears throat] to do 2255 02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:37,120 emergency stuff. And what I remember of that was the face 2256 02:53:34,080 --> 02:53:41,920 of that person, the expression that I'm sure inside you might have been 2257 02:53:38,399 --> 02:53:48,720 trembling, but at that time what I saw was um no fear. He was ready to go do 2258 02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:54,479 whatever was necessary. Go in there. No fear. Um and I'll never forget the look 2259 02:53:51,439 --> 02:53:59,600 of that of his face. Um the other thing I'll never forget was I couldn't get out 2260 02:53:57,359 --> 02:54:03,520 of Manhattan at the time. Okay, two more little things. 2261 02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:07,920 » 10 seconds. Okay, just really quick. So, I couldn't get out of Manhattan. So, so 2262 02:54:05,279 --> 02:54:12,800 I went to Midtown, spent the night at at a Marriott, blah blah blah. Waking up 2263 02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:17,520 that morning. All was I mean, Manhattan is never 2264 02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:22,800 silent. It was nothing was happening in Manhattan. You still had people selling 2265 02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:27,680 newspapers and coffee. Did have that, but that was it. There was nothing. and 2266 02:54:24,800 --> 02:54:34,640 and and all you had airplanes, you know, flying in the air, but that silence, 2267 02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:38,160 I'll never forget that silence. So >> So my story is I felt it. We felt it, 2268 02:54:37,279 --> 02:54:40,399 right? >> Our youth don't have that. 2269 02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:43,396 » Yeah. >> Okay. 2270 02:54:41,200 --> 02:54:45,415 » Next. [applause] 2271 02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:57,439 » Gustapo from Jackson. And I'm really appalled at the fact that you sit there 2272 02:54:54,399 --> 02:55:03,600 and let a person defame not only me but my neighbors and my township fellows. 2273 02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:07,520 Okay. Without saying a word, but a man who says something color. 2274 02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:09,439 » No kids were present. >> Shut up. 2275 02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:12,399 » No kids were present. Shut up. >> Don't tell me to shut up. 2276 02:55:10,880 --> 02:55:17,200 » Yeah, it is. But don't point at me and tell me I didn't say nothing. Kids were 2277 02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:21,040 here. Kids were here. >> Gustaf. 2278 02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:27,359 If you WANT TO TAKE THAT TITLE, YOU TAKE IT. But I'll tell you what, IF HE 2279 02:55:23,600 --> 02:55:30,319 DOESN'T COME UP WITH PROOF, SHUT HIM UP. I'm sick and tired of listening to this. 2280 02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:35,200 » That's against the law. >> Use all tape and you go and run for 2281 02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:40,399 election or you're appointed to your positions. You take an oath to the 2282 02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:46,080 Constitution of the United States and you spit on every single one of us. 2283 02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:51,359 » We're tired of it. And let me tell you, I HAD TO TAKE last 2284 02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:54,960 beating off because I just needed a vacation [clears throat] to get away 2285 02:55:52,399 --> 02:56:00,160 from the three ring circus, which this is. And I'll tell you what, the man who 2286 02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:06,399 claimed to be a personal citizen who's on two boards, not just one. Do you 2287 02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:12,479 think I really seriously want him making decisions for my town? 2288 02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:17,600 I don't think so. Like I said, either he puts up or shuts up. I'm tired of it. 2289 02:56:15,520 --> 02:56:23,840 This isn't the first time he's done it. It's more than that. But now getting 2290 02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:31,120 back to the oath. Okay, you guys. Uh, I saw a little clip of the 2291 02:56:27,840 --> 02:56:36,800 last meeting. Lady come up here and she was talking about what she did. The 2292 02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:42,880 First Amendment gives her the right to take videos of an alleged lemonade stand 2293 02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:49,040 crime. Okay. Everybody looked at her and looked 2294 02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:55,680 down at her and deflected from it. Guess what? If there was a crime committed, 2295 02:56:51,439 --> 02:57:05,920 how come it's not being investigated? That's your job. Make sure it gets done. 2296 02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:12,240 But then I see in tonight um your uh ordinance number 2629 2297 02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:18,080 uh about uh uh dwellings and housing and you're 2298 02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:24,479 going to use the police, okay, to do a job that they're 2299 02:57:21,040 --> 02:57:27,520 overworked to start with. You know, 2300 02:57:26,160 --> 02:57:31,520 it doesn't make a difference whether they're mafia or not. They're 2301 02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:36,960 overworked. I hear their sirens going constantly all night long. Give the guys 2302 02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:39,920 a break. You're going to have them bust into 2303 02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:45,520 people's houses in the middle of the night. What are you crazy? That's not 2304 02:57:42,640 --> 02:57:50,640 something that's done like that. Uh, you know, I understand there's a 2305 02:57:47,359 --> 02:57:55,200 need for what needs to be done, but did you check with the chief of police and 2306 02:57:52,399 --> 02:58:00,560 see if her officers can handle that work on top of what they're already doing? 2307 02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:06,560 My god, you can't even stop the people from speeding in this town. 2308 02:58:03,439 --> 02:58:12,000 They're still flying down the road. I hear all kinds of rumors about speed 2309 02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:17,760 bumps and, you know, and and I'm looking and listening to hear how you're making 2310 02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:22,560 uh no parking on one side of the road. You just opened up the drag strip for 2311 02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:26,479 more speed. These people aren't listening to you. You got to get to the 2312 02:58:24,800 --> 02:58:31,840 people. And let me tell you something. This is election year, so I don't expect 2313 02:58:29,359 --> 02:58:36,479 too much of anything other than, you know, we'll look at it. We'll see about 2314 02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:42,000 it. I I expect more of the people at home to start showing up because let me 2315 02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:46,800 tell you, this is where they belong because you work for us. We don't work 2316 02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:51,760 for you. All right? If you know, election time is 2317 02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:56,399 coming, I want to hear what everybody has to say. I've heard of Republicans. 2318 02:58:54,319 --> 02:59:00,399 I've heard of Democrats. I've heard independent Republican. What's an 2319 02:58:58,240 --> 02:59:04,720 independent Republican? I' never heard of that one before. 2320 02:59:02,960 --> 02:59:09,600 I want to hear what they got to say. Who are they? 2321 02:59:07,439 --> 02:59:14,000 I didn't know any of you when I got here. Some of you I didn't look at 2322 02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:19,279 favorably. And let me tell you, some of them some of you have really surprised 2323 02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:22,800 me. I like to listen to the fact that if you have an ordinance you want to 2324 02:59:20,800 --> 02:59:27,439 discuss, you come out and you give your opinion on it before you make the yes or 2325 02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:31,359 no vote, which most people know which way you're going to go anyway. It's, you 2326 02:59:29,040 --> 02:59:36,319 know, that's you wouldn't have it on on the docket if 2327 02:59:33,600 --> 02:59:42,240 wasn't there. But you just have to realize this is a 2328 02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:47,120 year of optics. Everybody is watching what's going on. 2329 02:59:44,319 --> 02:59:51,760 YouTubers are going to be watching what happened in this room tonight for a 2330 02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:56,399 long time. And I'll tell you what, they're not going to be happy if they 2331 02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:59,120 really see now. You want to respond? Go ahead. 2332 02:59:57,680 --> 03:00:01,729 » No response. Thank you. >> Thank you. 2333 02:59:59,520 --> 03:00:06,720 » Have a good day. [applause] 2334 03:00:03,040 --> 03:00:13,520 » Um I I'll respond quick to Fred. I get your frustration. Um don't get worked 2335 03:00:09,120 --> 03:00:17,279 up. Uh but uh I understand. I relate. Uh listen, don't 2336 03:00:15,439 --> 03:00:21,439 I believe in freedom of speech. I believe everybody can come up and say 2337 03:00:18,640 --> 03:00:27,920 whatever they want. How ridiculous, how horrible. I think you can use whatever 2338 03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:33,120 language you want. I It doesn't bother me. Uh so let people say anything. I I 2339 03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:37,359 believe in freedom of speech and that's it, man. I came up here speaking just 2340 03:00:35,279 --> 03:00:41,920 like everybody else. That's how I got into this. And I would get into it with 2341 03:00:39,120 --> 03:00:49,359 the people up here. um and they'd fire back sometimes and that's fine. Uh that 2342 03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:53,040 uh kind of got me elected. So let people speak. Let them show who they are. Let 2343 03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:56,960 them say what they need to. The people who come up here and they speak for 2344 03:00:55,279 --> 03:00:59,920 others or people relate to it. People are going to sit there clap and love it. 2345 03:00:58,399 --> 03:01:04,880 Look at the reaction that that guy had before. When you come up and you act 2346 03:01:02,319 --> 03:01:09,600 ridiculous, you say things that don't make sense. You come up with weird 2347 03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:14,560 propaganda. people see right through it and we're 2348 03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:17,920 seeing I think we're seeing things get better in this town whether you want to 2349 03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:21,319 admit whether some people want to admit it or not. Uh 2350 03:01:21,520 --> 03:01:27,680 » well I I think we need to treat everybody with the same respect and I 2351 03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:30,880 listen I do give uh Council President Bernstein a lot of respect for the way 2352 03:01:29,520 --> 03:01:34,560 he's been running the meetings in a lot of ways. I think he's more respectful of 2353 03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:38,880 people. I I think he lets them speak more. Uh, like I said, it's a huge 2354 03:01:36,800 --> 03:01:42,319 » I'm not interrupt. Keep on going, >> you know. No, [laughter] listen, we can 2355 03:01:40,640 --> 03:01:47,040 disagree. I've yelled and screamed at him. You know, it's fine. You know, I 2356 03:01:45,520 --> 03:01:53,920 think he's done some bad things towards me as well, but um, you know what? I we 2357 03:01:50,720 --> 03:01:57,120 got to work together and I love that we can on certain things and 2358 03:01:55,920 --> 03:02:01,600 we'll still fight and we'll still go back and forth and he may not want to 2359 03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:06,319 see me elected again and I may, you know, see what happens in two years when 2360 03:02:03,359 --> 03:02:07,840 he's up. But you know what? We're trying. 2361 03:02:06,800 --> 03:02:11,840 » Two and a half, >> you know, and 2362 03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:15,600 Jeppi, I love working with you recently. I don't like how you reacted to some of 2363 03:02:13,279 --> 03:02:19,120 these people right now, but listen, and I'm not trying to like fight me about 2364 03:02:16,800 --> 03:02:21,680 it, you know, but I I think we got to just all figure out how to make this 2365 03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:25,176 work. And >> Miss Jones, 2366 03:02:22,399 --> 03:02:27,195 » we're trying. [applause] 2367 03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:34,319 Deb Jones, I really don't feel like I need to give 2368 03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:41,840 you my address because after this week, I know you have it. Um, I'll get to 2369 03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:47,279 that, but first thing I want to say is I'm appalled at the way a resident stood 2370 03:02:45,279 --> 03:02:52,479 here and what he said, and I have to reflect a lot of what 2371 03:02:49,600 --> 03:02:58,880 the person before me said. But what bothers me most about that is this 2372 03:02:55,600 --> 03:03:05,040 entire town grieved with that mother who lost her child. 2373 03:03:01,279 --> 03:03:09,840 And I never heard one comment negative about what happened. Everyone 2374 03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:15,040 grieved. We're all parents. We're grandparents. We're aunts. We're uncles. 2375 03:03:12,399 --> 03:03:21,600 We're grand. We're great-grandparents. Nobody nobody thought that was good. 2376 03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:28,800 We sad. We were sad. We grieved with her. We're still grieving with her. A 2377 03:03:24,479 --> 03:03:34,560 baby's gone. I also, and I'm sure I'm not in the majority, but I also grieve 2378 03:03:31,680 --> 03:03:39,520 for the girl who hit her. Hit the child. She has to live with that for the rest 2379 03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:43,680 of her life. That's a hard hard burden to carry. Whether she was in the right 2380 03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:49,520 or the wrong doesn't matter. She took a life and has to live with that. 2381 03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:53,840 I just can't even believe what I just saw happen here. And I do agree with 2382 03:03:52,240 --> 03:04:00,479 Chris. People have the right to say something. What I don't agree with is he 2383 03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:07,520 stood here treated very differently than Eleanor Hanam stood here and called out. 2384 03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:11,840 Our mayor, who was the council president at the time, right or wrong, she made a 2385 03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:17,120 comment about who she was dating and she was ripped from this meeting. That's not 2386 03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:23,680 okay. Why isn't it the same for everybody? 2387 03:04:20,720 --> 03:04:29,120 The brother sat here in a resident's face. Now, I'm sure the excuse is, well, 2388 03:04:26,720 --> 03:04:32,080 it wasn't him. It was his brother. Well, you know what? It wasn't Chris making 2389 03:04:30,399 --> 03:04:37,760 the comments on Facebook. It was other people. Why is that Chris's fault? But 2390 03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:44,000 this isn't the man who stood here's fault. It's 2391 03:04:40,720 --> 03:04:50,560 just the unfair way things are going are horrible. 2392 03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:56,640 That brings me to my next point. I had a family member who called out one 2393 03:04:54,000 --> 03:05:02,399 of the people that sits up here for a post that was put up on Facebook. 2394 03:05:00,720 --> 03:05:07,200 I've lived in Jackson. I've told you since I'm in fifth grade. Never have I 2395 03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:12,319 been in trouble with the law. I've always paid my taxes. I have followed 2396 03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:20,800 every rule that has ever been put before me that was that I was capable to do. 2397 03:05:18,240 --> 03:05:28,080 I find it awfully funny that two things happened. My family had to call up call 2398 03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:33,600 out a house up the street that has been causing us issues since 2023. 2399 03:05:31,680 --> 03:05:39,200 They've caused the problems. We're the villains. Not sure how that happened. 2400 03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:44,319 that and he called out someone on Facebook. 2401 03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:48,800 I had code enforcement at my house. Sound like a familiar story that you 2402 03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:53,200 guys keep hearing? Well, and you know what? Code 2403 03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:58,000 enforcement was awesome. There was an ordinance. We didn't know the exact 2404 03:05:55,840 --> 03:06:04,160 ordinance and what it was. We'll take care of it. We will live the right way 2405 03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:12,399 and follow the ordinances set before us. But you better make sure everybody does. 2406 03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:19,279 It's not right. Not only that, within an hour, I had a police officer pulling 2407 03:06:15,359 --> 03:06:24,720 behind one of my cars, parked on a road legally, parking there for years, run my 2408 03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:28,240 plates, turn around, and go right back in the 2409 03:06:26,319 --> 03:06:31,520 direction he came from. Why is he running my plates? The car wasn't 2410 03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:38,479 moving. The car is registered, it's insured, and 2411 03:06:34,960 --> 03:06:43,279 it's parked legally. Sound familiar? Why does this keep happening? 2412 03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:47,279 We can't stand up against something without having to have repercussions 2413 03:06:45,120 --> 03:06:53,840 because somebody's upset that we spoke our opinion. I don't understand. 2414 03:06:51,279 --> 03:06:58,640 And the fact that no one said a word, I just want to read you a couple things. 2415 03:06:55,920 --> 03:07:04,399 I'm going back to the Gestapo. The Gustapo was the official state, 2416 03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:10,800 secret state police of Nazi Germany and Germany occupied Europe. 2417 03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:16,720 This is so horrible. The Gestapo operated above regular laws. 2418 03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:21,840 Agents could arrest, imprison, or torture people without trial or judicial 2419 03:07:19,200 --> 03:07:27,359 oversight. The Gestapo played a central role in 2420 03:07:24,640 --> 03:07:33,439 tracking, arresting, and organizing the mass deportation of Jewish people to 2421 03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:37,520 ghetto to ghettos and extermination camps. 2422 03:07:35,279 --> 03:07:42,319 You know what? The people standing here, we're nobody's secret police. We're 2423 03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:46,479 standing here because we love our town and we're going to fight for it. And you 2424 03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:50,319 know what? I'm sorry if people have a problem with the term fight for Jackson. 2425 03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:54,699 We're all Jackson. Maybe we all need to stand up and fight. 2426 03:07:52,680 --> 03:07:54,699 [applause] 2427 03:07:58,640 --> 03:08:07,120 » Ray, Katoner, I'm here to talk about transparency. Um, for the record, I also 2428 03:08:04,479 --> 03:08:13,120 often request the documents between the state and our budget and I was uh 2429 03:08:10,080 --> 03:08:19,120 received a notice there. No documents existed in any communication. 2430 03:08:16,479 --> 03:08:24,880 I'm here to talk about also I've been trying to get additional documents. Our 2431 03:08:21,840 --> 03:08:31,040 interim mayor stated that Jackson Day was completely paid for by sponsorship 2432 03:08:27,359 --> 03:08:36,240 money and vendor revenue. I went and requested that I did receive some 2433 03:08:33,359 --> 03:08:42,800 documents but we're missing where the revenue end of the documents. 2434 03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:48,160 Preliminary um evaluation is it's probably not the case. I don't believe 2435 03:08:45,200 --> 03:08:52,560 it to be totally paid for, but I don't have the additional documents to prove 2436 03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:57,600 my theory. Uh certain things are picked out of my 2437 03:08:55,040 --> 03:09:02,479 items and they're saying overly broad and then I don't get the rest of the 2438 03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:08,399 documents and they're rolling the over request to a new offer request to 2439 03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:14,319 another new offer request. I that's against the law by the way. The 2440 03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:21,520 GRC specifically states that my request has to be answered. It can be narrowed, 2441 03:09:17,760 --> 03:09:28,080 but it should still be the same request. So, I don't have the data. I made that 2442 03:09:23,920 --> 03:09:33,760 open request August 25th. And I should be entitled to see the 2443 03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:37,279 documentation to prove that. Right now, it doesn't look like it the case. And 2444 03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:43,040 I'd like to receive the rest of my documents so I could prove the case. And 2445 03:09:40,479 --> 03:09:48,720 I've had th those issues with other over requests. You can't just say overly 2446 03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:53,840 broad. I have an option to narrow that request down, 2447 03:09:51,120 --> 03:09:59,359 not turn around and say you deny the request because one of the items is 2448 03:09:56,000 --> 03:10:05,279 overly broad. I might ask for 15 different items. Those items are 2449 03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:10,080 supposed to be sent to me. And with that statement, it should be 2450 03:10:07,200 --> 03:10:17,040 easily accessible. Somebody evaluated it and said our revenues actually paid for 2451 03:10:13,600 --> 03:10:21,760 Jackson Day 100%. And I How long do I have to wait to get 2452 03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:24,880 those answers? So I would appreciate it if I can actually get the information 2453 03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:30,600 that I request. >> I plan on answering you tonight. 2454 03:10:26,640 --> 03:10:30,600 » Thank you. Hopefully 2455 03:10:31,191 --> 03:10:33,211 [applause] 2456 03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:43,680 Randph Kubz. My original address when I moved here in 2457 03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:48,960 1983 was rural Route 547, 2458 03:10:46,160 --> 03:10:54,800 box 193. Cows, chickens, and goats. Now it's a 2459 03:10:52,399 --> 03:10:59,439 bus route. I really don't mind overdevelopment, 2460 03:10:57,359 --> 03:11:04,880 but I do mind the development that's happening in this township right now. 2461 03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:10,560 Is it an overtaking of a community that was really once nice 2462 03:11:08,399 --> 03:11:18,479 and now to bring up a point that another person had 2463 03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:22,160 made. You have these houses of worship houses of [clears throat] worship 2464 03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:24,960 popping up like mushrooms all over the county. 2465 03:11:25,359 --> 03:11:32,399 development all over the place. I don't mind development. 2466 03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:39,720 Development is healthy for a community, but the kind of development that we have 2467 03:11:34,800 --> 03:11:39,720 in this community is not good. 2468 03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:50,000 When I moved here, my taxes were 2469 03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:56,880 about $600, $6,000 a year. Now, that's what that's what I'm paying a quarter. 2470 03:11:53,680 --> 03:12:02,960 When I got my estimated tax bill, I had to get the digitalis out. 2471 03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:10,720 When I saw it, like $5,100 for the quarter. 2472 03:12:07,359 --> 03:12:14,040 That's a $500 increase of what it was last year. 2473 03:12:14,479 --> 03:12:24,319 Now, you got to help me out here. I don't really understand how my taxes 2474 03:12:20,560 --> 03:12:29,279 went from $6,000 to $20,000 2475 03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:36,200 when we have the same amount of schools in this township right now than we have 2476 03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:36,200 in 19 than we had in 1983. 2477 03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:48,000 And you announced that you increase the budget for the schools $6 million. 2478 03:12:45,600 --> 03:12:53,520 When you have a when you have the same amount of schools and lower enrollment 2479 03:12:51,680 --> 03:12:58,240 and you have thousands of people moving into the community, hundreds of 2480 03:12:55,840 --> 03:13:03,600 businesses, where's all the money going to? 2481 03:13:00,319 --> 03:13:08,800 Why is it isn't that funding anything? Why are my taxes being skyrocketing 2482 03:13:06,800 --> 03:13:14,439 with all this development that's coming into the community? I don't understand 2483 03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:14,439 it. 2484 03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:19,080 And you talk about open spaces. 2485 03:13:19,359 --> 03:13:29,160 I spend $500 a year in in open space money. And what do I get? I get 2486 03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:29,160 congestion. That's what I get. 2487 03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:40,960 I don't mind, you know, open spaces. You had a golden opportunity for open spaces 2488 03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:47,120 when Maple Lake Campground closed down. You should have bought it and turned it 2489 03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:54,960 into a a county park, a community campground where everybody could enjoy 2490 03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:59,040 it like they did at Turkey Swan Park. But instead, 2491 03:13:56,800 --> 03:14:07,080 it's going to be hundreds of houses in there, another thousands of people, and 2492 03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:07,080 another house of worship. 2493 03:14:07,120 --> 03:14:16,520 I really don't get it. the way this community is going, it's 2494 03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:16,520 not going in the right direction. 2495 03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:24,800 And I also read 2496 03:14:22,319 --> 03:14:30,000 a couple of weeks ago, I was buying a bottle of wine at the liquor store up in 2497 03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:34,000 the corner, Willy's Corner, and one of my sources telling me that the 2498 03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:38,479 McDonald's are going to go is going to close. 2499 03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:45,040 and this and they those stores in that shopping center are also going to close. 2500 03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:49,319 And I read on the Jackson's Facebook that's exactly what's going to happen. 2501 03:14:51,120 --> 03:14:55,080 I really don't get it. 2502 03:14:55,120 --> 03:15:03,040 The way this township is going, it's it's a takeover. 2503 03:15:00,640 --> 03:15:07,880 It's not a diverse community like you said it was going to be or should be. 2504 03:15:09,040 --> 03:15:16,829 Well, I'm out of time. That's all I have to say. Thank you for your time. 2505 03:15:14,080 --> 03:15:16,829 » Thank you, [applause] 2506 03:15:17,430 --> 03:15:20,880 [cheering] council. 2507 03:15:19,279 --> 03:15:22,720 » Seeing no one come forward. I motion to close public forum. 2508 03:15:22,160 --> 03:15:25,200 » Second. >> All in favor? 2509 03:15:24,080 --> 03:15:30,080 » I. >> Okay. So, I want to res um 2510 03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:32,720 » What? Yes. I just I just don't want to go out 2511 03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:36,319 of order, but before that, I'm just going to ask again, as we've done the 2512 03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:40,160 past couple meetings, um I may some say some things that some people like, some 2513 03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:43,040 things that some people don't like. Um I won't run out after. Feel free to come 2514 03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:45,680 over and yell at my face if you don't like it, but let's just let me speak and 2515 03:15:44,479 --> 03:15:50,160 let my colleagues if they want to add anything. Also, there was a lot said, a 2516 03:15:47,680 --> 03:15:53,439 lot of insightful uh ideas and questions and other things. So, council council 2517 03:15:52,160 --> 03:15:55,439 vice president before before I hit the road. Yeah. 2518 03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:58,399 » All right. Thank you. Uh to the gentleman that we went back and forth a 2519 03:15:57,200 --> 03:16:02,319 little bit. My apologies for cutting you off. Shouldn't have done that. You had 2520 03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:07,520 every right to tell me to shut up. It's no problem. Why? Let me just explain why 2521 03:16:05,520 --> 03:16:12,160 I said something to the other gentleman and not uh Joe Sullivan when the other 2522 03:16:10,560 --> 03:16:15,760 gentleman was using some foul language. There were a couple of children that 2523 03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:18,640 just walked in and maybe my father instinct kicked in and I don't like that 2524 03:16:17,359 --> 03:16:22,720 kind of stuff. So I asked him to refrain. Now he could have legally 2525 03:16:20,239 --> 03:16:26,960 continued to use profanity. That's his legal but what I didn't think it was 2526 03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:30,319 right that's all I asked and he continued and I let him now if Mr. 2527 03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:33,520 Sullivan would have been saying exactly what he said with children present I 2528 03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:37,040 would have asked him to curtail some of the language now he could have continued 2529 03:16:34,880 --> 03:16:40,720 going on with it even with Mr. Sullivan with no kids present I I knew that Mr. 2530 03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:45,439 You know, Councilman Pollock was more than capable of defending himself, so I 2531 03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:49,600 didn't need to step into that matter. No kids present. 2532 03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:53,200 » Correct. Yeah. >> Okay. So, yeah, I and I agree you could 2533 03:16:51,600 --> 03:16:57,040 100%. You're adults. If there were children here, his language was 2534 03:16:54,640 --> 03:17:00,399 inappropriate. So, my point was, look, I'm not trying to sanction people from 2535 03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:04,319 speaking. You're legally able to, but sometimes depending on the audience, 2536 03:17:01,840 --> 03:17:07,279 what it might not be appropriate. And my fatherly instinct will come out and if 2537 03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:11,120 you disagree with me, I'm sorry. It's okay. But I can't stop that. I'm a dad 2538 03:17:08,880 --> 03:17:14,640 of three kids. So, I'm going to try to not let the younger folks hear that type 2539 03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:17,040 of language. So, again, my apologies for cutting you off. I had nothing against 2540 03:17:15,680 --> 03:17:20,960 you and we've had great conversations in the hallway. So, 2541 03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:25,439 » so before before I ask Councilman Breathy to address some of the land use 2542 03:17:22,720 --> 03:17:29,200 stuff, I just want to go to the most I think the I'm not use to highlight, but 2543 03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:32,399 the unfortunate thing that stood out tonight. I think really by and large the 2544 03:17:30,880 --> 03:17:36,000 meeting was a fantastic meeting. I think we had a lot of great ideas. Um, and I 2545 03:17:34,720 --> 03:17:39,200 just want to say it's not easy sitting up here to what one of the residents 2546 03:17:37,520 --> 03:17:43,200 said about, you know, there was a resident who was pulled out in the past. 2547 03:17:41,600 --> 03:17:46,800 I don't want to talk about that much due to the fact that it's litigation. But 2548 03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:50,000 since that I'm council president, I've never cut anyone off even though there 2549 03:17:48,640 --> 03:17:54,720 are people who have said some pretty nasty things to my face, things that are 2550 03:17:52,080 --> 03:17:58,880 hurtful, but that's my job and I've never ever stopped. I do I I happen 2551 03:17:57,040 --> 03:18:04,399 stepped out when that back and forth went on. Um, I I always usually time it 2552 03:18:01,920 --> 03:18:07,200 well. Um, but I apologize to the children who are here that that they 2553 03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:12,640 hear that. Um, because I do think that there is a we just got to be careful. I, 2554 03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:16,160 you know, I'm hoping that children continue to come. I think it's great for 2555 03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:19,760 them to see government working. So, and I think it's great that the mom is able 2556 03:18:17,520 --> 03:18:24,560 to be here with her children. So, um, I I just want to start with, I guess, the 2557 03:18:21,279 --> 03:18:28,160 most controversial thing. Um, I strongly strongly disagree with anyone calling 2558 03:18:26,319 --> 03:18:32,000 anyone in this room Nazis, Gestap, or anything else. Especially as a member of 2559 03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:35,760 the Jewish community who has relatives and family and friends, grew up with 2560 03:18:34,000 --> 03:18:39,279 with survivors of the Holocaust used to come to my dad on the high holidays with 2561 03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:42,399 the marks and sit there crying in his office. There's a there there are 2562 03:18:41,040 --> 03:18:48,000 certain red lines like I've said this before um which are unacceptable and uh 2563 03:18:45,520 --> 03:18:51,920 and um I wasn't going to cut off that resident who was speaking. Um, do I plan 2564 03:18:50,479 --> 03:18:56,239 on having a conversation with him? Absolutely. I think that was 2565 03:18:52,960 --> 03:18:58,880 unacceptable. Um, but the residents here, I think, are vocal. They're 2566 03:18:57,439 --> 03:19:01,920 passionate. We can just have a disagreement what the words fight for 2567 03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:05,600 Jackson means, and that's a fine political conversation to have. But I 2568 03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:09,600 don't I don't believe that the residents who are coming here by by and large, I 2569 03:19:08,239 --> 03:19:13,760 think the vast majority are here because they care. They want their voices to be 2570 03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:17,920 heard. And I've said this before, I actually appreciate the fact that I mean 2571 03:19:15,359 --> 03:19:21,520 I wouldn't mind a 9:30 end, but I I appreciate the fact that the residents 2572 03:19:19,359 --> 03:19:24,800 do come and are bringing up and I think it makes for a better government and 2573 03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:28,800 whoever wins in an upcoming election. I think this should continue because I 2574 03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:33,359 think it's an important um avenue. Now, a resident also brought up about hearing 2575 03:19:31,279 --> 03:19:38,000 from the Republicans for the fight for Jackson, the you know, for all the other 2576 03:19:35,520 --> 03:19:42,000 terms, um, the independent Republicans, and I got two emails from residents also 2577 03:19:39,920 --> 03:19:44,399 asking, um, council meetings are not supposed to be, there's not supposed to 2578 03:19:43,040 --> 03:19:48,000 be politics in council meetings. Obviously, what people say is what 2579 03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:53,439 people say. I've gone out of my way um to try to limit what I do up here from 2580 03:19:50,640 --> 03:19:56,399 the political end. Um, if residents want to meet any candidates, I'm sure those 2581 03:19:54,880 --> 03:20:00,479 candidates will have various venues to meet and hear hear their platforms and I 2582 03:19:58,880 --> 03:20:04,800 welcome everyone to go to their go to those uh go to those events and to hear 2583 03:20:02,560 --> 03:20:10,160 from those residents. Um, fine. So, with regard to the um to 2584 03:20:08,160 --> 03:20:14,000 to the to the resolution for sanctuary cities, so um there was a draft 2585 03:20:12,640 --> 03:20:17,600 resolution that we did circulate internally. Um I decided to pull it um 2586 03:20:16,399 --> 03:20:22,880 because I didn't think it was the time yet for it. Um, I didn't think 10 days 2587 03:20:20,479 --> 03:20:27,279 after the tragedy was the time to speak about it tonight. Um, tonight I only um 2588 03:20:25,600 --> 03:20:32,880 talked about my comments about the young child who unfortunately perished in that 2589 03:20:29,520 --> 03:20:38,000 terrible incident. Um, I do believe that there is a time and a place to um to 2590 03:20:36,319 --> 03:20:41,359 raise our voices. As you know, Councilman Pollock says, you know, 2591 03:20:39,840 --> 03:20:44,319 sometimes bringing attention to matters shines light. You never know, maybe 2592 03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:48,080 eventually the state will change its policies and maybe if we continue as 2593 03:20:46,239 --> 03:20:52,080 citizens in New Jersey raising our voices loud and clear, maybe the 2594 03:20:49,840 --> 03:20:56,479 politicians out there will say, "Hey, it is time for us to revisit it." So, I do 2595 03:20:53,840 --> 03:21:00,640 I personally think the resolution is a good thing. I do think the current 2596 03:20:58,160 --> 03:21:04,239 governor has um pushed it even further. So, I think there is a place for a 2597 03:21:02,640 --> 03:21:07,920 future resolution and letting the state know that Jackson doesn't tolerate it. 2598 03:21:06,160 --> 03:21:11,359 Yes, they come up every election year. Um, but I do think this something that 2599 03:21:09,760 --> 03:21:16,720 most people on this days will agree to the concept of a resolution and um to 2600 03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:19,600 answer Carlos, it it will be brought up. I mean, I plan on introducing it by a 2601 03:21:18,160 --> 03:21:23,840 future meeting. I just didn't think tonight was the time for it. Um, I 2602 03:21:21,200 --> 03:21:27,760 wanted to focus on the tragedy. Now, I I do think as a couple residents mentioned 2603 03:21:26,000 --> 03:21:30,560 and as my colleagues mentioned, unfortunately, tragedy brings us 2604 03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:34,080 together. We put out a joint statement from council. Um, Councilman Paul Mary 2605 03:21:32,640 --> 03:21:36,800 came over me, he came over to me on Shabas and mentioned that I think Chris 2606 03:21:35,439 --> 03:21:40,080 reached out. we want what can we do for the family right now the family wants I 2607 03:21:38,720 --> 03:21:43,359 think a little bit of privacy and obviously there's a lot of community 2608 03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:47,439 support that's there holding their hands and trying to help them um I pass the 2609 03:21:46,080 --> 03:21:50,960 message that Township of Jackson supports them and anything that we can 2610 03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:54,399 possibly do for them and I think they we're very appreciative um right now 2611 03:21:52,800 --> 03:21:57,920 just have have I think have those prayers in your mind and think about and 2612 03:21:56,000 --> 03:22:01,279 and you know and have the family in mind I think is is important and if anything 2613 03:21:59,439 --> 03:22:08,960 else comes up we obviously will share it with the public um now with regard to Um 2614 03:22:06,080 --> 03:22:12,479 the um someone brought up a park in Brookwood with the with the with the 2615 03:22:10,880 --> 03:22:16,239 with the toilet and I'm just going to say first and I'll let council vice 2616 03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:19,920 president um I actually was when I first saw it I said hey um I don't think it 2617 03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:22,880 was necessary it's a neighborhood park um I was told by DPW this goes on in 2618 03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:26,080 every neighborhood park. It's my understanding the township is actually 2619 03:22:24,239 --> 03:22:30,640 exempt from we had this with the board of ed and DPW with some some of the 2620 03:22:27,680 --> 03:22:34,880 other events um um that they are exempt from from that. That being said, I duly 2621 03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:39,120 noted I personally don't think it's necessary in a neighborhood park to have 2622 03:22:36,319 --> 03:22:41,600 a porta potty there. Um it's there's not supposed to be driving to the park. It's 2623 03:22:40,399 --> 03:22:45,359 more of a walking park within the neighborhood. That's why we banned 2624 03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:50,239 parking in that area and residents, you know, if take your children before and 2625 03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:53,680 take your children after. Um but we'll have that conversation with DPW. I think 2626 03:22:51,840 --> 03:22:56,399 they just want it to be fair. But duly noted and and and we definitely accept 2627 03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:58,560 the the criticism. Council vice president, anything you want to say on 2628 03:22:57,279 --> 03:23:03,439 that before I continue? I was just going to talk about the park the no parking 2629 03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:06,080 that was brought up by the former Rosenau which is now a private school 2630 03:23:04,800 --> 03:23:12,960 that had camp. Oh >> I live literally a couple blocks away 2631 03:23:09,200 --> 03:23:17,840 and I know that between 9 and 10 in the morning and 3 and 4 there's a line of 2632 03:23:15,040 --> 03:23:21,439 cars that go from former Rosenau all the way to like Brookwood Parkway and you 2633 03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:25,359 can't get out of your driveway and if you're out you can't get in your 2634 03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:31,040 driveway. It happened to me and my wife. It's it's so I think that that for that 2635 03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:36,000 camp and even when they have uh drop off and pickup, they should take the Rosenau 2636 03:23:34,000 --> 03:23:38,880 model and and and utilize it that way. They had buses off to the side. They 2637 03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:43,200 have a huge parking lot in the back. It's not being utilized. It's just being 2638 03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:46,640 utilized in that little front parking area and it goes right into the street. 2639 03:23:45,279 --> 03:23:51,520 And what we have to take into consideration was that Rosenour when it 2640 03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:56,720 was a public school, it was like 80% walkers. So we didn't have the amount of 2641 03:23:53,520 --> 03:24:00,399 buses that you now have there. So I think that conversation needs to be had 2642 03:23:58,239 --> 03:24:05,439 with the new ownership that you know it's very discourteous to that that 2643 03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:08,239 neighborhood and what we've seen you know this needs to be addressed. Maybe 2644 03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:12,399 they aren't aware maybe they are. But I think even if we can have some traffic 2645 03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:16,560 safety enforcement there during the 9 and 10 a.m. to 3 and 4 just to say hey 2646 03:24:15,040 --> 03:24:21,760 you see it firsthand and maybe address it with the ownership on the spot 2647 03:24:18,960 --> 03:24:26,160 because it's impossible to get past. I've dealt with it firsthand. I think we 2648 03:24:23,920 --> 03:24:31,680 need to fix it. And then and then if I can also um and I I discussed this with 2649 03:24:29,600 --> 03:24:38,000 Mr. Terafeno and I'd like to bring it up publicly. Um that that fac that school 2650 03:24:35,040 --> 03:24:43,520 is a mess. The exterior in the back is it not kept well. There's a lot of 2651 03:24:39,680 --> 03:24:46,800 debris. So if you'd be willing uh I'd like to see code enforcement go take a 2652 03:24:44,960 --> 03:24:51,279 look because there's a lot of stuff that just needs to be picked up and and some 2653 03:24:48,800 --> 03:24:54,720 housekeeping that um was never that way. So, I think that it may be a learning 2654 03:24:53,040 --> 03:24:59,760 curve, but I think we need to learn and and learn much faster. And then with the 2655 03:24:56,399 --> 03:25:02,640 portal potty, um, I called the council president a few weeks ago when I first 2656 03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:08,000 saw it. I was driving by and I said, "What is this? Why do we have a portal 2657 03:25:05,520 --> 03:25:11,840 potty in a in a neighborhood park where if your kids go there, they could just 2658 03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:15,760 walk home?" I didn't want it. And I I asked that we have removed I understand 2659 03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:18,960 DPW said each park should have it, but I don't think it's necessary. And I would 2660 03:25:17,439 --> 03:25:22,160 like to see it, and I'm going on the record. would like to see it removed 2661 03:25:20,800 --> 03:25:25,279 from there because I don't think it brings nothing but trouble and 2662 03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:28,479 » so and bad hygiene. >> So I I definitely second that and like I 2663 03:25:27,279 --> 03:25:31,600 said I'm going to ask our business administrator if I have could tomorrow 2664 03:25:30,080 --> 03:25:35,840 reach out to Mr. Blinkinsky. I brought this up initially and honestly I just 2665 03:25:33,920 --> 03:25:39,600 forgot about it but we if we can do that now council vice president had actually 2666 03:25:37,920 --> 03:25:42,160 called me um and by the way I'm just going to be speaking so feel free to 2667 03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:45,760 stay if you want to listen in your car feel free. Um but council president 2668 03:25:44,640 --> 03:25:49,120 council vice president had called me that his wife couldn't get into her 2669 03:25:46,960 --> 03:25:52,560 driveway and over there where he lives. Um I did reach out to at that point in 2670 03:25:51,200 --> 03:25:55,680 the summer. It took a couple phone calls to get find the right person to those 2671 03:25:54,560 --> 03:26:00,000 who are using the building in the summer. Um and like council vice 2672 03:25:57,680 --> 03:26:03,840 president said um the building was definitely not designed with some of 2673 03:26:01,279 --> 03:26:07,439 that traffic that occurred and um I thought it was taken care of because I 2674 03:26:05,359 --> 03:26:10,160 didn't hear from him again. Um but what I told him is that going forward we 2675 03:26:08,800 --> 03:26:13,680 we're going to have a conversation. I think the township is going to reach out 2676 03:26:11,439 --> 03:26:17,520 to obviously to the property owners um making sure that a proper traffic plan 2677 03:26:16,160 --> 03:26:22,000 hopefully will be implemented in future summers because I think that seems to be 2678 03:26:18,880 --> 03:26:25,120 the bigger issue um going forward and hopefully traffic safety could be in 2679 03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:29,520 touch with them also about making sure that we we um we take it take that 2680 03:26:27,439 --> 03:26:32,560 seriously. um with regard to the amount for the farm that the resident brought 2681 03:26:30,960 --> 03:26:37,840 up and I apologize that I missed the first few minutes legal um attorney 2682 03:26:35,040 --> 03:26:41,359 Mockin um could you just you know I know you've been in touch with the farm's 2683 03:26:39,439 --> 03:26:42,880 attorneys so that was where that came from 2684 03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:46,880 » Sure it's a little bit complicated because it's a municipal court case the 2685 03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:52,160 judges ordered restitution that restitution would be paid directly to 2686 03:26:48,960 --> 03:26:54,960 the insanity farms um their attorney reached out and said we don't know if 2687 03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:58,479 this person's going to pay restitution but the town should pay us the $5,000 2688 03:26:57,040 --> 03:27:02,080 and some odd itself. We agreed and there was an 2689 03:27:00,880 --> 03:27:06,080 agreement between myself and their attorney that we would pay it subject to 2690 03:27:03,840 --> 03:27:10,239 council approval. We would pay them that $5,000 some odd dollars, but if the 2691 03:27:07,760 --> 03:27:14,800 court reimbures her that she would reimburse the township. We got an email 2692 03:27:12,160 --> 03:27:19,680 today saying because she had been in contact with the municipal court and the 2693 03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:25,200 municipal court uh total fine is over is another $2,000 some odd dollars and she 2694 03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:29,279 asked us to amend the agreement to make that in the agreement. and I said, "We 2695 03:27:27,600 --> 03:27:35,840 can't do that. It's too late to change the resolution. However, we can agree 2696 03:27:31,439 --> 03:27:40,080 that if you get that $2,000 from the uh defendant, you don't have to pay us back 2697 03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:45,680 because we didn't pay you." So, it's going to finalize itself, but as of this 2698 03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:49,680 morning, um there was an agreement this afternoon. They wanted to change it and 2699 03:27:47,840 --> 03:27:51,600 I think we've accommodated that, but I won't be able to talk to her attorney 2700 03:27:50,720 --> 03:27:54,319 till tomorrow. >> Okay. So, I guess I would ask if you can 2701 03:27:53,120 --> 03:27:57,840 follow up with their attorney and then loop back with the obviously the 2702 03:27:55,920 --> 03:28:00,640 administration and council on that. >> Yeah, I'm just [clears throat] I have a 2703 03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:03,600 couple things I don't want people to um data centers. So, um people brought up 2704 03:28:02,239 --> 03:28:07,760 data centers. I think Judge Hurley brought it up. Mr. Martin brought it up. 2705 03:28:05,520 --> 03:28:11,200 I know Councilman uh Belli had sent me a draft and we and I had forwarded it to 2706 03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:14,479 our attorneys um to make some modifications to it. I think it's 2707 03:28:12,880 --> 03:28:17,520 something I think at that point we felt it was important to get something on the 2708 03:28:15,600 --> 03:28:21,120 books. Um, but we are going to continue to look into it and see if there's an 2709 03:28:19,200 --> 03:28:27,120 area that we could revisit some of the language to make it even uh cleaner and 2710 03:28:23,279 --> 03:28:31,279 and more protective of for the town. Um, with regard to garbage out out very 2711 03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:36,479 long, it's my understanding we have an ordinance. You have to only put it out 2712 03:28:32,560 --> 03:28:40,399 the night before. Um and um I think our code enforcement tries to do a good job 2713 03:28:38,479 --> 03:28:43,520 um you know giving those violations but it's complicated because everyone has 2714 03:28:42,319 --> 03:28:46,399 different companies and every company has a different schedule and 2715 03:28:45,054 --> 03:28:49,920 [clears throat] sometimes um those companies miss it. It's a holiday 2716 03:28:47,680 --> 03:28:54,640 weekend and but I do know our code enforcement I think generally does issue 2717 03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:57,760 um violations or notices or warnings when when they find that. With regards 2718 03:28:56,319 --> 03:29:01,359 to some of the dead trees in town obviously Mr. Terafenko if we can reach 2719 03:28:59,359 --> 03:29:04,239 out to our I guess our forester I mean some of them were I think were here 2720 03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:08,239 tonight. um about cutting some of that tree so we don't have trees falling into 2721 03:29:06,000 --> 03:29:10,880 some of our wires and um creating some of the issues that we've seen in the 2722 03:29:09,439 --> 03:29:15,359 past in storms. I know a resident has reached out to me count countless times 2723 03:29:13,279 --> 03:29:18,640 about a tree on Hope Chapel which is a county road. I've reached out to the 2724 03:29:16,560 --> 03:29:23,120 county four times about it already. I will reach out to them again. Um 2725 03:29:20,479 --> 03:29:26,960 unfortunately trees do die sometimes and uh we just got to keep our you know keep 2726 03:29:25,520 --> 03:29:32,160 that pressure on making sure it takes takes care of. with regard to unhitched 2727 03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:38,399 trailers um that a resident brought up. Um I think the the ordinance I think is 2728 03:29:34,800 --> 03:29:42,000 I think a great ordinance. Um but I I heard the example that he said about 2729 03:29:39,840 --> 03:29:45,840 township for, you know, flashing lights. I didn't think about that before. I'm 2730 03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:50,319 going to ask our legal team to look into that. Um I'm not sure if that was intent 2731 03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:53,200 or part of the ordinance or not. Um Greg, 2732 03:29:51,359 --> 03:29:57,600 » it was not, but we will take a look. >> Okay. Um resident brought up some of the 2733 03:29:55,760 --> 03:30:02,399 water um the orange glaze and some of the other things I think is in 60 acres. 2734 03:29:59,840 --> 03:30:05,040 Um I I I'm going to you know I don't want to be passing the buck here but I 2735 03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:08,720 think it's important for residents to reach out to MUA if if it's MUA water to 2736 03:30:07,359 --> 03:30:12,239 have that conversation making sure the water I think we have generally we have 2737 03:30:10,319 --> 03:30:16,640 good rates and we have we generally do have clean water in town. Um and I know 2738 03:30:14,560 --> 03:30:20,160 recently there was an issue for on a Friday a couple weeks ago where some you 2739 03:30:18,239 --> 03:30:24,319 know mis messaging got out. Um please reach out to MUA. They are generally 2740 03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:27,680 very very responsive. We've we've had great a great response from them with 2741 03:30:26,399 --> 03:30:31,040 some of the things that have come up. One more thing before I forget, I just 2742 03:30:29,359 --> 03:30:35,520 want to address because I did receive a message. Um I don't know how the process 2743 03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:38,640 of inviting some of the first responders was taken care of tonight. I was not 2744 03:30:37,120 --> 03:30:43,200 part of that process, but there obviously were were some first 2745 03:30:40,720 --> 03:30:47,200 responders who did not get, I guess, invited or anything else. There was one 2746 03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:51,520 that I just want to um I do want to recognize publicly, and that's Ray 2747 03:30:49,200 --> 03:30:54,960 Tremor, the dad. Um, I know he spent months and months down there um 2748 03:30:53,040 --> 03:30:58,479 volunteering his his time and and his energy and uh kudos to him and kudos to 2749 03:30:57,120 --> 03:31:02,880 anyone else. When you mention thank yous, you sometimes leave people out. 2750 03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:07,040 Um, that was not an intention um from from up here and we obviously respect 2751 03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:12,640 and appreciate everyone who put all their times in. Um, a resident brought 2752 03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:15,760 up um um about an ordinance about final and preliminary approvals. Mr. Breie, 2753 03:31:14,720 --> 03:31:20,640 could you address that, please? >> First, I want to just concur with you. 2754 03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:23,520 60 acres of service by the MUA. So, if she's having a problem with the water, I 2755 03:31:21,920 --> 03:31:26,160 don't know if Christina is still here, she should be going to the MUA and 2756 03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:29,840 they'll get on that right away if that's the case. [clears throat] The subject 2757 03:31:28,160 --> 03:31:35,600 was brought about preliminary and final site inspections, approvals. Number one, 2758 03:31:33,439 --> 03:31:39,600 if you do a preliminary and a final separately, you give the applicant 10 2759 03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:43,200 years protection. If you do it together, they get five 2760 03:31:41,200 --> 03:31:49,279 years protection. Moreover, boards turn over. if you do 2761 03:31:46,319 --> 03:31:53,040 preliminary only and I don't know if we can do that. The MUL municipal land use 2762 03:31:51,200 --> 03:31:57,040 law allows them to do that. I don't know if we can override that or not. That 2763 03:31:54,479 --> 03:32:01,200 would be up to the attorney. But the uh when you bifocate it and just do the 2764 03:31:58,800 --> 03:32:05,200 preliminary alone, you're not seeing the whole application. 2765 03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:10,239 You're seeing this part of it and you're only addressing those issues. When you 2766 03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:14,399 look at the preliminary and final, you're looking at the whole picture. So 2767 03:32:12,720 --> 03:32:17,840 you get a good picture of what you want changed and how it can be changed, what 2768 03:32:15,760 --> 03:32:22,000 you can move where. The other thing when you do just a preliminary and you 2769 03:32:19,439 --> 03:32:27,040 approve a preliminary, it's very hard to turn down the final. 2770 03:32:25,520 --> 03:32:29,439 If there's not a change in the footprint and stuff, you're not going to be able 2771 03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:33,920 to turn down a final where they don't win it in court. I'm not saying afraid 2772 03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:37,040 to go to court, but they'll win it. And the other thing is when you do 2773 03:32:35,040 --> 03:32:41,200 preliminaries and they come back for finals, a lot of time board members 2774 03:32:38,640 --> 03:32:44,000 change. So now you have new board members that weren't there for the 2775 03:32:42,399 --> 03:32:47,760 preliminaries. Therefore, they got to either read the 2776 03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:51,840 depositions or minutes, was ever there, and try to piece it together. So there's 2777 03:32:50,239 --> 03:32:56,239 a big advantage to getting a better look at all the environmental issues, the 2778 03:32:53,680 --> 03:33:00,080 parking issues, everything when you have the entire preliminary and final 2779 03:32:58,479 --> 03:33:03,680 together. There's nothing saying you have to approve it in one night. Many of 2780 03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:07,840 them have to come back a second and third night, but you don't have to 2781 03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:12,880 approve it, but you get a full picture of everything and not peace meal. And as 2782 03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:17,040 far as the parking, every application when we get our reports from our 2783 03:33:14,640 --> 03:33:20,960 professionals, one of the first lines in there is if they meet the parking 2784 03:33:18,720 --> 03:33:24,479 requirements or not. And that's one of the first things that looked at. I can't 2785 03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:28,880 answer for applications that weren't in front of the planning board or approved 2786 03:33:26,080 --> 03:33:32,880 years ago, but parking is one of the first things addressed. And as far as 2787 03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:36,800 the environmental issue, uh, I've made it a habit over the years that if the 2788 03:33:35,279 --> 03:33:42,319 environmental commission didn't get to the application yet and submit a letter 2789 03:33:39,040 --> 03:33:46,880 of their concerns, I have the applicant stipulate that they have to get a letter 2790 03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:50,319 of no concern from the environmental commission when they have to come back 2791 03:33:48,319 --> 03:33:53,279 in front of us. I never cut out the environmental commission. I've done that 2792 03:33:51,840 --> 03:33:57,840 at every planning board meeting for many, many years. So, it's it's 2793 03:33:55,600 --> 03:34:00,880 different. It's not just preliminary and come back. is a whole big different 2794 03:33:59,439 --> 03:34:05,200 thing especially when you're trying to look at an application this big and only 2795 03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:08,479 looking at this part of it. Very difficult. I know you don't agree, 2796 03:34:06,479 --> 03:34:13,279 Holly. I had enough boards. I've done preliminary and final separate and it 2797 03:34:10,800 --> 03:34:17,600 gets very very very hairy especially when you approve a preliminary and then 2798 03:34:15,040 --> 03:34:20,640 try to unapprove a final but but we'll see what they councilman. We will 2799 03:34:18,800 --> 03:34:22,960 definitely look into it and uh Miss Reynolds, I think we have a scheduled 2800 03:34:21,920 --> 03:34:29,439 phone call later in the week. We can definitely discuss that further also. Um 2801 03:34:25,760 --> 03:34:37,359 now, um sorry, I'm just trying to Okay. Um data centers. Um okay, so a resident 2802 03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:40,399 one second, I apologize. Um brought up the parking in with some of the I'll 2803 03:34:39,200 --> 03:34:44,080 call it the shoulder some of the other buildings that have been built. Um it's 2804 03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:48,239 my understanding that every single application has come in from the 2805 03:34:45,359 --> 03:34:52,960 planning board for a house of worship um has been a um conforming application. I 2806 03:34:51,200 --> 03:34:56,000 I've yet to see one that may maybe I'm wrong, but I've yet to see one in front 2807 03:34:54,399 --> 03:34:58,640 of the planning board that has not. So, if most of those things were by the 2808 03:34:57,279 --> 03:35:01,760 planning board and they did not have any of those variances, that means they they 2809 03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:06,640 they meet they met the ordinance standards for parking. Um, and obviously 2810 03:35:05,279 --> 03:35:09,439 we do not want parking on the streets and we want parking in the parking lots. 2811 03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:13,600 That's the purpose of having a parking lot. And if that's an issue, um, you 2812 03:35:11,680 --> 03:35:18,080 know, we'll have to, um, I guess look at it. Uh, I am not aware of a of a Shaw 2813 03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:22,080 being approved on Brewers Bridge that did not have a a parking lot that was 2814 03:35:19,760 --> 03:35:25,040 approved as part of their site plan. Uh, not it's not back not back and forth. We 2815 03:35:24,080 --> 03:35:30,760 could have this we could have this conversation after. Um, 2816 03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:30,760 um, 2817 03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:38,000 okay. Um, data centers we mentioned. Okay. So, um, I'm going to address um, I 2818 03:35:36,479 --> 03:35:41,359 think it was Mr. Tromba brought up the affordable housing plan and obviously we 2819 03:35:39,840 --> 03:35:46,160 have concerns that some of the some of the projects were in the Pinelands. Um 2820 03:35:44,080 --> 03:35:51,200 the town right now is is is in the in the course of what you call mediation 2821 03:35:48,319 --> 03:35:56,560 slash um conversations with the courts and right now the courts have not 2822 03:35:54,080 --> 03:36:03,200 required the town to change their plan. Um we are working with the court and we 2823 03:35:58,239 --> 03:36:07,760 are we are um we um are waiting for a for for more guidance from the judge. um 2824 03:36:05,840 --> 03:36:13,120 and we will take his guidance into account and then if we have to pivot and 2825 03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:16,880 develop a new plan that is that does not develop on the pineelands that obviously 2826 03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:22,000 something that the planning board and the affordable housing plan will have to 2827 03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:25,600 modify and uh um I think there are options that do exist I've spent some 2828 03:36:23,840 --> 03:36:30,560 time in in the past couple months that would ensure that we do not overdevelop 2829 03:36:28,479 --> 03:36:33,040 our pine lens areas and I think many people in this room would be very 2830 03:36:31,600 --> 03:36:36,800 excited to hear some of those options but I think let's let the the report 2831 03:36:35,200 --> 03:36:42,000 process play out a little bit longer before before we get into the specifics 2832 03:36:38,399 --> 03:36:45,680 in that. Um um 2833 03:36:43,680 --> 03:36:48,080 sorry, more agendas printed. Yes, I apologize. I'm going to mention that to 2834 03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:52,479 the clerk if we can make sure going forward we have more agendas printed for 2835 03:36:50,399 --> 03:36:56,479 for the crowd. Um a resident mentioned 11 cars in a house. They called code and 2836 03:36:54,479 --> 03:37:01,359 didn't answer. Um I would recommend sending an email to code also. Um I 2837 03:36:59,200 --> 03:37:04,720 generally I found code to be pretty responsive via emails. Um, if you don't 2838 03:37:03,520 --> 03:37:10,000 get a response, obviously reach out to the business administrator and to look 2839 03:37:06,479 --> 03:37:14,640 into it. Um, now I'm going to also go back to something that was brought up in 2840 03:37:11,600 --> 03:37:19,760 the beginning. Um, a resident brought up um, I'm getting to you. Don't worry. A 2841 03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:24,720 resident brought up a um, a use in a in a neighborhood. Um, and I'm going to say 2842 03:37:22,560 --> 03:37:27,760 something and it I think like I said, there's some some some things that I I 2843 03:37:26,399 --> 03:37:31,200 say people will like, some things I think people won't like. Um the town 2844 03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:34,319 like Chris said we went through obviously a lot of litigation in the 2845 03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:37,040 past. There are certain I'm going to use the word gray areas. There are areas 2846 03:37:35,760 --> 03:37:39,600 called something called house worship. There's something called obviously a 2847 03:37:38,560 --> 03:37:45,359 legal shield that has to go in front of the board for a proper site plan and 2848 03:37:41,279 --> 03:37:48,960 things like that. Um no zoning has consistently gone down and done their 2849 03:37:47,520 --> 03:37:54,000 done their investigation. There have been notice of violations issued when um 2850 03:37:51,760 --> 03:37:59,359 things were not following the municipal land use and obviously um I think there 2851 03:37:57,600 --> 03:38:03,760 was further conversations that we could have. I don't think listen I'll say it I 2852 03:38:01,840 --> 03:38:07,840 was the third vote on a settlement with the with the DOJ and AG which allowed 2853 03:38:05,920 --> 03:38:11,279 people to go ahead and build things correctly with parking lots and I would 2854 03:38:09,359 --> 03:38:15,600 hope that people would actually comply with those and not use any gray areas um 2855 03:38:14,239 --> 03:38:18,319 when there are black and white areas that the town provided for them. So, I 2856 03:38:17,200 --> 03:38:22,960 think that's something those are conversations that we continue we 2857 03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:27,200 continue to need to have. Um, but no one is telling zoning or um not to do their 2858 03:38:25,520 --> 03:38:32,479 job and I know there have been multiple NOVs issued and other violations issued 2859 03:38:30,160 --> 03:38:36,319 on on different uses that did not comply with what the zoning officer's 2860 03:38:33,840 --> 03:38:41,760 determination was on those. Um, with regard to Oprah, um, again, the two 2861 03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:45,920 points that I want to just respond to is a just because it's constantly put out 2862 03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:49,279 there, I am not aware of anyone on the council or in the mayor's office who is 2863 03:38:47,680 --> 03:38:53,920 instructing our clerk not to comply with Oprah's. And I think I I take offense by 2864 03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:57,279 that. Um, now I didn't say you. I didn't say you. That being said, I think it's a 2865 03:38:55,680 --> 03:39:00,560 great question and madam clerk, I would like to have that conversation. What 2866 03:38:58,800 --> 03:39:04,160 words and how the search was forwarded to it? because a lot of it a lot of it 2867 03:39:02,720 --> 03:39:08,080 boils down to when things are forwarded to and how the words are put into this 2868 03:39:06,080 --> 03:39:12,399 into the server and to the search and maybe um mrfank we had this conversation 2869 03:39:10,640 --> 03:39:15,680 a couple weeks ago we have to revisit it making sure our software is pulling up 2870 03:39:14,160 --> 03:39:19,520 whatever documents when the appropriate words are being done because I I do 2871 03:39:17,920 --> 03:39:23,279 think that's a a legitimate question that needs to be looked at is if you did 2872 03:39:21,439 --> 03:39:27,040 an OPRA here and he did an OPRA to the state why the state say was responsive 2873 03:39:25,279 --> 03:39:31,520 and on a local level but I don't think that I'm not aware of any anything 2874 03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:35,439 nefarious and I think the clerk um is doing a fantastic job with the level of 2875 03:39:33,359 --> 03:39:40,000 Opras that which some of them are multiple pages long with multiple 2876 03:39:37,920 --> 03:39:44,399 questions linked to those Opas. Now, one of the residents brought up Jackson Day 2877 03:39:41,840 --> 03:39:47,680 um um and I spent some time before the meeting because we had a conversation on 2878 03:39:45,760 --> 03:39:50,399 the phone yesterday about it um better understanding some of the expenses of 2879 03:39:49,120 --> 03:39:54,800 Jackson Day because there was a statement put out that Jackson Day was 2880 03:39:52,319 --> 03:39:59,600 fully covered by um sponsors and vendors. Um so I'll just tell you the 2881 03:39:56,640 --> 03:40:04,960 numbers that I have and um and Mr. feel free to to to follow up with me 2882 03:40:01,600 --> 03:40:09,600 after. Um the sponsors brought in $69,850, 2883 03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:13,439 approximately $70,000. The vendors brought in a little over $10,000, about 2884 03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:18,479 $105,000. Um the Jackson Day total cost was 2885 03:40:16,800 --> 03:40:21,439 $93,000. Um again, I'm just telling you the 2886 03:40:19,840 --> 03:40:26,399 numbers that I received and we we could hash that after. Um there was $29,000 of 2887 03:40:25,120 --> 03:40:31,040 expenses that were paid through grants from Clean Communities. Um the remaining 2888 03:40:28,800 --> 03:40:34,319 Jackson Day expenditures which covered you know some of the tents, some of the 2889 03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:40,080 the zipline, some of the other fun things for children um were a total of 2890 03:40:37,200 --> 03:40:44,800 $64,375. Um and there are still two I think it's 2891 03:40:42,720 --> 03:40:49,680 two sponsors who had made pledges have not come through yet and um I think 2892 03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:52,560 they're still working on that. So I I'm again I'm not sure what what you got 2893 03:40:51,120 --> 03:40:57,439 back from Oprah. I'd love to to have that conversation because the list that 2894 03:40:54,560 --> 03:41:01,600 I have does have it covering the the expenditures that were that were put 2895 03:40:59,439 --> 03:41:06,080 into Jackson Day. And like I said, I I think the Jackson Day committee did a 2896 03:41:03,359 --> 03:41:14,560 fantastic job. Um but we can we can disagree on that. That's fine. Um 2897 03:41:09,920 --> 03:41:18,399 now, um Miss Okay, a resident brought up about, you know, and I think I addressed 2898 03:41:16,160 --> 03:41:21,200 this before about why one resident was allowed to speak tonight, why another 2899 03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:23,920 resident equal equal treatment. And like I can say, I've been doing my best. I 2900 03:41:22,640 --> 03:41:27,520 can only speak for myself to make sure there's equal treatment up here that any 2901 03:41:26,080 --> 03:41:32,239 anyone can say whatever they want. It's hurtful and it's painful sometimes as it 2902 03:41:29,200 --> 03:41:34,720 is. And I do my best to try to be um I I can't answer that question why code 2903 03:41:33,439 --> 03:41:38,560 enforcement came to your house. I guess someone complained. Um, with regard to 2904 03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:42,560 the other resident who complained about the dogs, um, there was an email because 2905 03:41:40,880 --> 03:41:46,800 I was copying an email where a resident did complain about the dogs and, um, it 2906 03:41:44,800 --> 03:41:51,040 was, you know, code enforcement followed up, um, you know, and I welcome that 2907 03:41:49,279 --> 03:41:54,720 resident to do an Oprah on that email, but um, I don't believe anyone from 2908 03:41:53,200 --> 03:42:00,479 administration is instructing code enforcement and, um, to intentionally 2909 03:41:57,600 --> 03:42:04,479 target specific residents. Um, and I apologize that you that maybe some 2910 03:42:03,040 --> 03:42:10,080 people feel like that. That's definitely not not okay. Um, but I I I don't think 2911 03:42:07,760 --> 03:42:15,120 that, you know, uh, that is going on at all. Um, Resan brought up about taxes 2912 03:42:13,279 --> 03:42:18,160 and open space. I think everyone wants more open space. I think everyone wants 2913 03:42:16,560 --> 03:42:22,880 their taxes stay low. I think you mentioned it went up from $6,000 a year 2914 03:42:19,760 --> 03:42:26,960 to 6 thou, sorry, $6,000 approximately a quarter. Um, it's not a 2915 03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:30,720 secret that, like I said, the board of ed taxes by a substantial amount this 2916 03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:36,720 year and taxes have gone up tremendously in the past couple years. Um, and I 2917 03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:39,680 think we all wish it didn't go up. And um, I don't have a great answer to that. 2918 03:42:38,319 --> 03:42:44,319 I don't have a great answer to why McDonald's allegedly is closing. Um, I'm 2919 03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:49,840 not sure if it's supply and demand. I'm not sure if it really is closing or not. 2920 03:42:45,760 --> 03:42:52,880 I saw it reported also. Um, what? It's up for sale. Okay. So, the the the piece 2921 03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:57,439 of real estate is up for sale over there. So, I guess I guess unless 2922 03:42:55,840 --> 03:43:01,279 McDonald's buys it, it would close. But um um I think supply and demand 2923 03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:06,319 generally drives a business model um in our um capitalist. Now I'm just looking 2924 03:43:04,319 --> 03:43:11,040 for a second. Oh, one more thing I do want to address and I I I do feel bad 2925 03:43:08,800 --> 03:43:14,399 that she left, but I do um I do want to address it for a second. Um no one 2926 03:43:13,120 --> 03:43:18,319 should ever feel like a victim in their home. No one should ever feel um that 2927 03:43:16,880 --> 03:43:20,640 anyone is breaking into their home for political reasons. But I do want I do 2928 03:43:19,840 --> 03:43:24,239 have to address something that was brought up at the last council meeting. 2929 03:43:22,399 --> 03:43:29,359 I'm continuously referred to the political machine. Um, I mean it's it's 2930 03:43:27,120 --> 03:43:33,120 a great terminology and I get it for for politics, but by the last meeting a 2931 03:43:31,279 --> 03:43:37,359 resident brought up how two of her cars were on fire. And the next day, the way 2932 03:43:35,760 --> 03:43:39,840 the the way it was being portrayed on social media, I'm not sure if the 2933 03:43:38,319 --> 03:43:43,199 resident meant it that way or not, the way it was being portrayed is that in 2934 03:43:41,359 --> 03:43:48,560 the political machine, aka myself and whoever my political machine allies are, 2935 03:43:46,000 --> 03:43:54,080 um, you know, intentionally, you know, caused it. That fire based on the 2936 03:43:50,880 --> 03:43:57,199 research I did happened in 2018. 2018 I was sitting on that side down there. I 2937 03:43:55,920 --> 03:44:00,399 was definitely not part of the political machine at all. I didn't really get 2938 03:43:58,640 --> 03:44:04,239 along with the governing body at that at that point at all. And I mean, Mr. 2939 03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:07,600 Brassie was up there, so maybe he was part of the political machine at that 2940 03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:10,239 point. But, um, I definitely did not get along with most of most of the members 2941 03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:13,840 of the governing body at that point. And I take offense because I literally had 2942 03:44:12,160 --> 03:44:17,279 people writing online that, you know, oh, you know, Morty, you know, you you 2943 03:44:15,359 --> 03:44:21,840 you caused this accident to happen. It happened six years. I'm sorry, eight 2944 03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:26,399 years ago. Um, I did not envision eight years ago that I'd be sitting up here. 2945 03:44:23,439 --> 03:44:30,960 Um, not sure why I am sometimes, but um, but definitely the political machine did 2946 03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:34,560 not um, if we are the political machine had absolutely nothing to do with a fire 2947 03:44:32,880 --> 03:44:37,439 in a residential home. And based on the on the police report I saw, it was 2948 03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:41,359 actually deemed by police and the fire department to be nonsuspicious. Um, and 2949 03:44:40,080 --> 03:44:45,680 I just have to put that out there to clear my name because I'm not going to 2950 03:44:42,800 --> 03:44:51,319 allow my name to be attacked like like that at all. Um, anything else that I 2951 03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:51,319 missed? Council, 2952 03:44:51,920 --> 03:44:56,840 » council vice president. >> Motion to adjurnn. 2953 03:44:58,080 --> 03:45:02,880 » Madam clerk. Oh, it's not working again. I guess after 10 o'clock. [laughter] 2954 03:45:02,000 --> 03:45:07,399 » All in favor. >> I 2955 03:45:03,680 --> 03:45:07,399 » thank you everyone for coming.