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Good morning, everyone. Thank

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you all for being here. I call

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this meeting to order a time

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10, 31. My name is COUNCILMAN

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Jimmy Palou. So I'm very

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grateful to see such a large

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crowd at a feeling that we

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have a good, a good group shot

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this morning. Going to go

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around the table real quick

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introduction starting with

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Kelly.

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>> Calling him see Council

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research. Red is speak pretty

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Norris for the administration.

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Shana Matt Dallas, office of

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General Counsel.

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>> Nick, Howland City Council

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at large group, 3 City Council

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district 7.

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>> On a holder city council

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elect at large. That one.

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>> grateful to have a city

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council member elect Holder

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with us going to be swearing

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in on Monday. I also want to

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recognize we have state

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Representative Dean Black in

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the room. He came here as

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well. We're grateful to your

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presence or areas in the back.

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All right. So you know this,

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this meetings got a good

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amount of fanfare and I'm glad

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to see such a such a large

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group of folks in here who I

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think kind of. Mere the

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political spectrum. And I

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think that's really important

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because this is an issue or

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isis. A conversation that's

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happening at the national

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level at the state level and

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at the local level about what

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are these cameras that have

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popping up a lot in the past

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several years? What what what

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kind of data do they have?

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What what relationship they

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have with law enforcement as

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law enforcement the best use

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out of them. And also is there

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constitutionality questions

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that that we should be asking

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and that, you know, neighbors

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and communities have been

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asking for a while now. And so

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I just kind of want to get as

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many answers we could at this

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moment. There's no draft

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legislation as of yet kind of

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kind of tinkering with ideas

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of what I would expect to file

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if we can. And so, you know,

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we have one of one of our

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attorneys here, one of best

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attorneys who also worked in

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the prosecutor's office for

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quite some time, which is a

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really good expertise on, you

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know. That kind of level of of

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criminal justice all that to

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if you do have public comment

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cards, please bring them up. I

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want to hear from as many

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folks as possible that we do

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have the room only for a

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limited amount of time. All

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right. So heading down the

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agenda goals for the automated

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surveillance equipment,

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policies, regulation and a

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possible temporary moratorium.

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So as we've been kind of

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looking at stuff from the

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policy perspective from city

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councils, perspective, I just

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don't know what as a county

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and as a municipality, we have

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the rights to do when it comes

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anything involving these

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cameras right there in the

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right of way public right of

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way. So one MAY assume that

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being in the public right of

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way. You have to get a permit

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or or there must be some sort

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of methodology as to how they

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got installed. And so first

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off, I don't know if if the

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mayor's office or some of the

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Sunday research on this as to

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how some of these got

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installed or if anyone has

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any. Knowledge of that.

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Ministration. I don't have

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direct answers for you, but

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I've made a list of some of

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these questions will get.

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my first questions is who's

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installing these cameras and

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our taxpayer dollars being

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used to install them. Are

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there no taxpayer dollars

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being used to install them,

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but then when there's a

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subscription service, whether

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it be flock or when the other

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things. That's the of note

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here is it's not just flock,

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right. There are other. This

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is a larger conversation about

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kind of Cummings, automated

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camera devices so. I think

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what what what I would like to

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see. Minor draft legislation

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that I have. It's kind of. A

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couple different points. One

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is a an immediate moratorium

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for about 120 days on any new

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cameras being installed in the

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city of Jacksonville. 2 was a

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inventory of all cameras with

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the city of Jacksonville. New

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process to be drafted that

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last for public participation

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for when cameras do get

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installed or are going through

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the installation process,

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which I believe would go

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through the cpac setting. That

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makes sense, see packs for

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those of you familiar are the

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community, you know, the

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community groups that the

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citizen like groups we have, I

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think 6, throughout their

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throughout the city. And so

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oftentimes kind of land use

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and zoning issues go before

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the cpac. It's a good way for

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the public to be involved in

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the process. So, hey, if any

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new cameras are being

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installed, it has to go

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through and be briefed in

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front of that group. And then

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last thing that I've really

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been tinkering with, isn't

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that what I'm hearing a lot.

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these cameras? Now, the first

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thing I should note is as in

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my conversations with jso,

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they're very much in support

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of these cameras said they

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have helped lead to reducing

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crime to solving crimes, to

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ensuring that if there's a

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missing persons or something

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along those lines or or or

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someone who's in running

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running from the law that

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these value at. And I don't

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dispute that. I don't think

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that that is, you know, I

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think so long as one crime.

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could say, alright, I see the

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value in this. The crime

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prevention peas. However, it's

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just a matter of from the

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constitutional side. Well, we

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want to make sure that

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neighbors and those who live

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in the communities adjacent to

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these cameras, aware that

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there's a camera to begin

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with. And 2, if they don't

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want the camera right outside

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the neighborhood with in their

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neighborhood, what kind of

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process exists to not only

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give them as much information

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about the cameras possible but

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ways to potentially remove the

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camera. And so what I've been

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kind of tinkering with is if

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ever a neighborhood wants a

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speed hump. All right. I'm

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using a weird process here

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every neighborhood. Wants

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speed hump. They usually go

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through their city council

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member or go through a process

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where they get a petition. So

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listen from their neighbors.

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process goes out to the

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property owners and the select

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whether or not they speed hump

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or not. So I would envision if

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we were looking to remove a

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camera that it would go

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through a similar process that

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the neighborhood would come to

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their elected score through

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the cpac or through the city

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in general and just sort of,

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you know, a petition process.

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say yes or no. They want the

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camera moved. As for how much

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of a cause for move the

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camera. That part, I don't

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know. Nor I know. You know

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what, what if public dollars

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to be used for move the camera

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for the up to the

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neighborhoods and communities.

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tinkering with that. I've

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about and they are are doing

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their best to research this.

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comments from my colleagues at

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this moment? Council PRESIDENT

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Helena? Yeah, thank you

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constantly. So I was in the

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office today. So I wanted

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already. And when I having

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this meeting, I want to drop

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by because this is a serious

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issue. It's a polarizing

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issue. I think it's one that.

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Israeli at the juxtaposition

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between public safety and

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privacy. I think it's one we

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shouldn't rush. In 2. We

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should have a kind of a

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community-wide debate on this.

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I know I've been talking the

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site's been council PRESIDENT.

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I'm also the liaison. So I

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speak regularly with the

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sheriff and his team issue

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such as this. And we've been

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talking to this issue and

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>> and the sheriff shares the

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same concerns. It's a very

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effective public safety tool,

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but he's concerned about

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misuse of data and concerned

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about protecting 4th Amendment

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privacy rights. And I think

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he's shown. Is for your tenure

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and the office for plus years

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that he's willing hold his own

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officers accountable and

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misuse. I think they've done

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that with David data and other

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things we have to think about

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those things as we go forward.

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the state has been clear that

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they want to address this

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issue. I current governor

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mentioned that he'd like to

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address I've heard the

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incoming governor mentioned

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that he'd like to address it.

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Governor view already chosen

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is always I have. I've heard

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the state legislature think

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about how they want to address

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it. So I think we need to

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think about the issue very

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carefully and make sure that

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we find the right balance.

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Listen to community concerns

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and ensure that we protect

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people's privacy rights. A

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council PRESIDENT Council

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councilmember elective any

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comments or thoughts on this

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>> You have to. But I just

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want to be an opportunity. Now

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feel like I have Now. Just

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appreciate the opportunity.

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Glad that the room is full.

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This is an issue that I've

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heard a lot about over the

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last couple weeks and months

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and a lot of concerns from all

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over.

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>> Jacksonville, from beaches,

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North side, South side,

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another something that we need

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to come into alignment on. But

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to appreciate the benefits of

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public safety with these

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cameras, but also understand

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the concern around

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surveillance privacy. So happy

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to be here today to hear more

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from the public. Excellent.

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Thank you.

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>> as we some sort of put you

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on the on the hot seat here,

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I'm seeing that a number of

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counties and cities within the

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state of Florida because, you

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know, if you look at the back

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of his hand out, it shows a

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very much it shows a number of

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municipalities and parts of

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the country contract was

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canceled with whether flock or

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one of the other private

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companies however, very few of

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them are within the state of

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Florida. Right? And so state

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law and it's a lot they have a

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lot of control of our counties

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or municipalities. So it is

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kind of better. You know, it's

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good to see stuff from

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Connecticut and Massachusetts,

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Wyoming but state state law in

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Florida's is very different.

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So I don't know because I'm

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seeing a few stuff in here

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from Tampa, Saint Leon County

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and Lake County. How what kind

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of rights that we potentially

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have that we are we able to

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say, hey, you can't build

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anything in the right of way,

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even if it's a public entity

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that can do it you have any

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thoughts on that.

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>> What other counties have

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done and what other what

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cities other counties have

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done other states. I have the

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distinct feeling that there is

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a lot more being done. It just

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doesn't make. An Internet

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search very quickly,

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especially when talk about the

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passage of laws, sometimes it

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takes, you know, our process

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takes 6 weeks, minimum. So

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sometimes it's just not

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actually in the public view

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quite yet. The second level on

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that. And it would be some

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that have to look at each one

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of these separately is just

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because

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>> municipality has passed an

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ordinance doesn't mean that

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ordinance is actually fully

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lawful because they MAY be

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split be having a policy

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declaration more than actually

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a change, a law. So I'd have

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to drill down on each one of

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them. And as to what can you

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do wear it depends on the what

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and the wear because of is it

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a state road is that city

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road? Whose camera is it?

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There's a lot really broad,

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detailed fact base question

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that I'm happy to dig into

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excellent. And we appreciate

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that. I I think it's something

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kind of work to get into.

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>> you know, actually state

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representative like, do you

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want to come up here and speak

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from kind of your perspective

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on this that it is not

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mandatory. Sarah, just want to

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give you that the time and

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attention. If you'd like. Have

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a with us.

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I think the city

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council PRESIDENT Said it well

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when he said we stand at the

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juxtaposition.

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>> Between security.

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>> And

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>> we have to be very cautious

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and how we proceed. We want to

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be safe. We want to make sure

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law enforcement has the tools

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to keep us so but we also want

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to make sure that we don't

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create the tools inadvertently

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in the service of security for

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one day police surveillance

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state to emerge. And speaking

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as your state representative,

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I know that many of my

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colleagues in Tallahassee

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share this concern. We want to

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make sure that. We remain a

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free people, but also a secure

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people. And so to that in

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COUNCILMAN, thank you for

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calling this meeting.

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PRESIDENT COUNCILMAN Elect.

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Thank you for being here. I

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think this is a very healthy

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discourse and I stepped in

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here before my other meeting

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because above all else, I

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wanted to hear what what you

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all have to say. And so the

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less I speak, the more value I

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will get from you. And so with

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that, I'll close and thank

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you, COUNCILMAN, thank you,

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rep and I do appreciate you

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showing up. I didn't want to

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>> put you on the spot, but I

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but I need you have some

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pretty good perspective on

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this. And you do have a

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district that is very diverse

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in terms of, you know, it's

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very rural and some parts

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quite line. New neighborhoods

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and our parts. I do want to

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dive in a public comment

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because I do think that's

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gonna maybe one last thing.

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Please go ahead. Coming up in

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case anyone make mention of it

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during public comment when I

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was talking Sheriff Waters

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recently about. How the state

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is likely to take a position

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on this. He said, well,

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there's no reason that we

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can't take a position now to

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shore up privacy rights. In

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the meantime, and I understand

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that there might be another

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councilmember considering

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piece of legislation that

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would potentially make misuse

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of lpr data more serious

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transgression. So a Class c

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misdemeanor or a company by

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fines and potential jail time.

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And that is a measure to

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address concerns right now

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about abuse of Lpr data then

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wait and see how state handles

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some other things. So might be

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some of those things which

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would be a proactive way of

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protecting privacy rights. In

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the meantime, while we have

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this discussion. Understood

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and yeah, I mean, I'm not here

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to necessarily rush things,

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but I am also here to

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recognize that we have an

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election in MARCH and then. Is

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JANUARY DECEMBER. Then you've

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got the new governor shows up

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and then eventually get that

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mean, there's a significant

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amount of time we're in. We're

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not as right now. And so, you

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know, I do want to make sure

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if even if we just do a

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moratorium until that point

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where the new legislature kind

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of needs, which I think is

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JANUARY what we should do,

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something I think I think

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we're about to hear from from

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speakers like I want to get

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their thoughts. We're going to

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go through pretty quickly just

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because there's a lot of

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speaker cards want to get

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people that 2 minutes time

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just because we don't have the

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room too long. Aaron Perkins.

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Next step after Aaron is

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Brooke. And what each speakers

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please say, your name. And if

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you're if

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>> you either I your address

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or if your address is on the

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card, you can simply say

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address on file. Give the red.

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>> Look for about everybody.

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Hear me. Aaron Perkins, 35

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West 9th Street live here in

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spring from a bike, appeared

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trying to dense 3 hours of

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conversation. 2 minutes. Okay

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things is not being discussed

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and I'm a little concerned of

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is a fiduciary responsibility

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as its mapped out like we're

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setting ourselves up to have

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yet another asset that we have

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to pay maintenance people

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hurricane comes through.

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People are going to cut these

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down the newest and greatest

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technology comes out. How is

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that contract settled

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installed improperly only on

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the hook because of technician

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installed incorrectly. It's

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one big issue. We definitely

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to pause. Get that sorted out.

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The safety, the other

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regulations, other cities.

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This is a brand new tool.

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First off the assembly

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concept. We're making a ring

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camera system for the whole

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city and other cities are

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taking a pause button. We

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should too pull that this

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thing is going to involve

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other people. Municipality's

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are going to figure out the

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rights and regulations and how

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to use as we should be

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spending money and we

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shouldn't be wasting all the

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taxpayers time. If we're gonna

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do it wrong but Stitt back

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paws. Get it right. The first

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time in my world of air

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traffic, we put a new

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equipment system we do a

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safety panel and we try to

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determine is it even feasible

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or is it worth the time and

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investment? Are we going down

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the right way? Seems like this

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case. What we did put the

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technology in place first and

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now we're trying to figure out

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how we should to play. We pull

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back figure out how to deploy

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it and make it sensible last

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Want to get it when you're

576
00:16:55,688 --> 00:16:56,454
fast. Once someone last want

577
00:16:56,454 --> 00:17:00,540
to get across, is that the

578
00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:01,122
frustration you're hearing and

579
00:17:01,122 --> 00:17:01,988
its multiple places in the

580
00:17:01,988 --> 00:17:02,688
absence of information, people

581
00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:05,555
are going to insert their own

582
00:17:05,555 --> 00:17:06,221
opinion into that space. So we

583
00:17:06,221 --> 00:17:08,922
if and when we move forward

584
00:17:08,922 --> 00:17:10,721
with this concept, there needs

585
00:17:10,721 --> 00:17:11,755
to be clear, concise

586
00:17:11,755 --> 00:17:12,421
information, how it's going to

587
00:17:12,421 --> 00:17:13,121
deployed and people should

588
00:17:13,121 --> 00:17:16,121
have chance to ask questions,

589
00:17:16,154 --> 00:17:17,288
get answers, not not. I'll get

590
00:17:17,288 --> 00:17:18,322
back with you. There should be

591
00:17:18,322 --> 00:17:19,655
a clear information of how

592
00:17:19,655 --> 00:17:20,422
this is done so we can know

593
00:17:20,422 --> 00:17:21,922
how it's deployed. I don't

594
00:17:21,922 --> 00:17:23,489
answer my own fears into that

595
00:17:23,489 --> 00:17:24,155
space. Thank you for your

596
00:17:24,155 --> 00:17:27,388
time. It was a less than 2

597
00:17:27,388 --> 00:17:30,388
minutes. Great job banner. And

598
00:17:32,455 --> 00:17:35,455
then Frederick. My name is

599
00:17:38,555 --> 00:17:40,555
Brooke 5 and oh, citizen

600
00:17:40,555 --> 00:17:41,755
concerned one of the points

601
00:17:41,755 --> 00:17:43,356
that I'm not sure adult

602
00:17:43,356 --> 00:17:46,356
totally dressed as the flock

603
00:17:47,389 --> 00:17:47,988
companies. Have been provided

604
00:17:47,988 --> 00:17:50,388
with access to driver's

605
00:17:52,550 --> 00:17:54,455
license information. That to

606
00:17:55,489 --> 00:17:56,890
me is definite concern.

607
00:17:56,890 --> 00:17:58,489
Initially. How do these

608
00:18:00,889 --> 00:18:03,422
companies? Rula get ruling or

609
00:18:03,422 --> 00:18:04,550
be allowed to install a

610
00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:06,455
private camera on public

611
00:18:09,223 --> 00:18:10,922
device. Public locations. And

612
00:18:10,922 --> 00:18:13,922
secondly, that needs to be

613
00:18:14,689 --> 00:18:15,356
tracked back. Are there any

614
00:18:15,356 --> 00:18:16,923
restrictions? Are there any

615
00:18:16,923 --> 00:18:18,923
requirements for that

616
00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,356
licensure and are there any

617
00:18:20,356 --> 00:18:22,656
limitations as to what they

618
00:18:22,656 --> 00:18:23,356
can have access to? That is

619
00:18:23,356 --> 00:18:26,356
deep concern because of that

620
00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:28,223
wide open. Technology like the

621
00:18:28,223 --> 00:18:30,623
flock cameras are essentially

622
00:18:30,656 --> 00:18:31,389
like a hammer. You can use it

623
00:18:31,389 --> 00:18:33,890
to build things or you can use

624
00:18:33,890 --> 00:18:36,123
it destroys things. It's all

625
00:18:36,123 --> 00:18:38,123
depending upon the

626
00:18:38,123 --> 00:18:40,560
restrictions or the intent of

627
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,656
using that tool. And that's my

628
00:18:52,523 --> 00:18:53,190
concern. Thank you very much.

629
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:55,230
My name is Red road off my

630
00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:57,457
address on the card. I'm here

631
00:18:57,457 --> 00:19:00,457
now to. Present my opinion

632
00:19:01,256 --> 00:19:01,990
against the broad collection,

633
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:03,456
private citizens movement data

634
00:19:03,456 --> 00:19:04,624
through automatic license

635
00:19:04,624 --> 00:19:05,224
plate readers signal detection

636
00:19:05,224 --> 00:19:07,124
systems that just trace

637
00:19:07,124 --> 00:19:08,190
similar systems operated by

638
00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:08,957
private entities.

639
00:19:08,957 --> 00:19:09,657
>> first argument I want to

640
00:19:09,657 --> 00:19:10,924
make is that every person on

641
00:19:10,924 --> 00:19:13,924
their way to this meeting,

642
00:19:14,957 --> 00:19:15,823
like the best flock cameras,

643
00:19:15,823 --> 00:19:16,957
very recent history

644
00:19:16,957 --> 00:19:17,857
association. Data like this

645
00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:19,257
would absolutely have been

646
00:19:19,257 --> 00:19:21,624
used to target individuals for

647
00:19:21,624 --> 00:19:22,290
u.S. Mint. Lets them as

648
00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:24,690
political dissidents or to

649
00:19:24,823 --> 00:19:25,190
have the members of the false

650
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:25,891
pretense.

651
00:19:25,891 --> 00:19:26,524
>> Can you get closer to the

652
00:19:26,524 --> 00:19:28,791
microphone so you can get

653
00:19:28,791 --> 00:19:29,924
recorded. Thank you.

654
00:19:29,924 --> 00:19:30,658
>> Recently we have been shown

655
00:19:30,658 --> 00:19:30,743
that the slippery s#

656
00:19:30,743 --> 00:19:30,816
#

657
00:19:30,816 --> 00:19:30,890
#

658
00:19:30,890 --> 00:19:31,557
#

659
00:19:31,557 --> 00:19:32,690
is not

660
00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:35,900
a fallacy. These automatic

661
00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:36,324
tracking systems are operated

662
00:19:36,324 --> 00:19:37,240
private companies and are

663
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:37,758
beholden to shareholders who

664
00:19:37,758 --> 00:19:39,570
will push them to make as much

665
00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:41,491
money as possible. That means

666
00:19:41,491 --> 00:19:43,591
a constant flow of new

667
00:19:43,591 --> 00:19:44,791
products and services all

668
00:19:44,791 --> 00:19:46,524
centered around the collection

669
00:19:46,524 --> 00:19:47,224
and Adelaide at all is a

670
00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:50,224
shipment of the movement data

671
00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:52,758
of private citizens, the

672
00:19:52,758 --> 00:19:53,458
expansion of these networks to

673
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:54,158
an artificially intelligent,

674
00:19:54,158 --> 00:19:57,991
but not to. And it's not that

675
00:19:57,991 --> 00:19:59,158
far from science fiction. A

676
00:19:59,158 --> 00:20:01,910
comparison of location data

677
00:20:01,910 --> 00:20:02,910
collected by cell phone

678
00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:02,991
companies often brought up the

679
00:20:02,991 --> 00:20:06,591
part words always left out is

680
00:20:06,925 --> 00:20:07,524
federal and state statutes.

681
00:20:07,524 --> 00:20:08,825
Requires specific legal

682
00:20:08,825 --> 00:20:10,524
threshold be met before those

683
00:20:10,524 --> 00:20:11,425
public. But for those records

684
00:20:11,425 --> 00:20:14,425
are obtained right now, all

685
00:20:15,391 --> 00:20:17,291
that needs for all right. Now,

686
00:20:17,291 --> 00:20:17,924
all that's needed for any

687
00:20:17,924 --> 00:20:18,625
office to accept civilian

688
00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:21,324
movements through the lpr is

689
00:20:21,324 --> 00:20:22,359
the case over. Again belabor

690
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:23,725
the point all day. But the

691
00:20:23,725 --> 00:20:24,458
bottom line is this the

692
00:20:24,458 --> 00:20:27,158
average citizen should be free

693
00:20:27,158 --> 00:20:27,858
from government overreach,

694
00:20:27,858 --> 00:20:29,325
constant surveillance systems

695
00:20:29,325 --> 00:20:30,358
like these alprs collect every

696
00:20:30,358 --> 00:20:31,791
bit collecting every bit of

697
00:20:31,791 --> 00:20:34,791
moving from every citizen just

698
00:20:34,791 --> 00:20:38,391
in case is an invasive cancer.

699
00:20:39,859 --> 00:20:42,859
Thank you, sir. Tim Riggins.

700
00:20:46,492 --> 00:20:47,225
>> Followed by Michael Milton.

701
00:20:47,225 --> 00:20:50,225
>> for guns might addresses on

702
00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:53,559
file. I work as a senior staff

703
00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:55,959
engineer, the Civic Tech

704
00:20:56,726 --> 00:20:58,526
company. I followed much of

705
00:20:58,526 --> 00:21:00,525
the reporting around Flock and

706
00:21:00,525 --> 00:21:01,658
surveillance companies. And I

707
00:21:01,658 --> 00:21:02,726
grave concerns about security

708
00:21:02,726 --> 00:21:03,792
posture is that many of these

709
00:21:03,792 --> 00:21:04,492
companies about the actual

710
00:21:04,492 --> 00:21:08,920
design of the products to be

711
00:21:09,159 --> 00:21:11,250
able to. Like enforce

712
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:12,359
restrictions on who can search

713
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,250
things make make the they are

714
00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:16,726
designed to make it easier for

715
00:21:16,726 --> 00:21:17,392
law enforcement access to

716
00:21:17,392 --> 00:21:18,125
records. That's part of the

717
00:21:18,125 --> 00:21:21,125
value proposition. And I think

718
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,493
that they they will always be

719
00:21:22,493 --> 00:21:24,626
prioritizing, making it easier

720
00:21:24,626 --> 00:21:25,160
over making sure that citizens

721
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:25,793
privacy rights and

722
00:21:25,793 --> 00:21:27,793
constitutional rights are

723
00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:34,959
protected. Yeah, I don't think

724
00:21:34,959 --> 00:21:35,660
that penalties for misuse are

725
00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:37,259
likely. I have very little

726
00:21:37,259 --> 00:21:38,930
faith that that make much of

727
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:39,926
an impact on privacy because

728
00:21:39,926 --> 00:21:42,926
if anything, it would just

729
00:21:44,526 --> 00:21:45,193
raised the stakes for. Police

730
00:21:45,193 --> 00:21:47,826
officers to, you it's just

731
00:21:47,826 --> 00:21:49,660
it's more of know I'm

732
00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:50,659
throwing, you colleague onto

733
00:21:50,659 --> 00:21:51,393
the bus and potentially

734
00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:52,270
putting them in jail, which is

735
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:54,427
not something that police

736
00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:59,927
officer don't want to I also

737
00:21:59,927 --> 00:22:01,940
just wanted to add I would I

738
00:22:01,940 --> 00:22:02,993
would love for the much

739
00:22:02,993 --> 00:22:04,827
moratorium to include not just

740
00:22:04,827 --> 00:22:07,193
don't add new cameras, but

741
00:22:07,193 --> 00:22:08,600
let's also disable the cameras

742
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:08,793
that we have for now, we even

743
00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:10,610
have wind down due to make

744
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:12,760
their cities put bags over

745
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,360
them. You can make until a

746
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,427
public policy has been decided

747
00:22:17,427 --> 00:22:18,160
as as a community. I think

748
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,527
that that would be a great way

749
00:22:21,527 --> 00:22:25,127
in the short Yet they're not

750
00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:29,660
violent. It was picked. 2

751
00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:30,327
minutes. I'm very grateful.

752
00:22:30,327 --> 00:22:33,327
Michael Milton and then Ben

753
00:22:38,994 --> 00:22:39,694
Elk Horn.

754
00:22:39,694 --> 00:22:40,328
>> Hello, my name is Michael

755
00:22:40,328 --> 00:22:42,328
Nelson, archaeologist and

756
00:22:42,894 --> 00:22:44,894
study human populations.

757
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,461
There's going to be some tax

758
00:22:47,461 --> 00:22:48,161
revenue from tickets that are

759
00:22:48,161 --> 00:22:49,294
going to be distributed from

760
00:22:49,294 --> 00:22:52,894
the system. But the value from

761
00:22:53,261 --> 00:22:54,394
the data itself, Facebook has

762
00:22:54,394 --> 00:22:55,695
revenue of 270 billion dollars

763
00:22:55,695 --> 00:22:58,695
a year from the free website.

764
00:22:58,695 --> 00:22:59,494
Why is it free? Well, it's

765
00:22:59,494 --> 00:23:01,727
not. It's taking your data and

766
00:23:01,727 --> 00:23:02,561
giving it to advertisers.

767
00:23:02,561 --> 00:23:04,961
Those advertisers then tell

768
00:23:05,295 --> 00:23:07,295
you what you want to fight.

769
00:23:07,295 --> 00:23:07,895
Tiktok collects data on

770
00:23:07,895 --> 00:23:08,628
American users. Chinese

771
00:23:08,628 --> 00:23:12,228
company has our data but we

772
00:23:12,261 --> 00:23:12,927
don't have data on them.

773
00:23:12,927 --> 00:23:13,694
Pokemon Go. A company that

774
00:23:13,694 --> 00:23:16,940
spent 10 years collecting your

775
00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:18,895
data. The parent company

776
00:23:19,327 --> 00:23:21,295
Niantic has sold itself to the

777
00:23:21,295 --> 00:23:21,994
Saudi Arabian government, not

778
00:23:21,994 --> 00:23:23,262
accompany government has data

779
00:23:23,262 --> 00:23:26,862
on where our children go after

780
00:23:27,495 --> 00:23:28,162
school and what they buy. They

781
00:23:28,162 --> 00:23:31,162
have our shopping habits or

782
00:23:31,595 --> 00:23:32,528
leisure activities. Could you

783
00:23:32,528 --> 00:23:35,362
imagine if we were to go to

784
00:23:35,362 --> 00:23:37,229
war with the nation that new

785
00:23:37,229 --> 00:23:37,895
what our behavior was during

786
00:23:37,895 --> 00:23:40,295
school shooting or natural

787
00:23:40,795 --> 00:23:42,228
disaster or celebrity death.

788
00:23:42,228 --> 00:23:43,762
And the question that I have

789
00:23:43,762 --> 00:23:44,595
to really ask is what

790
00:23:44,595 --> 00:23:45,328
happened, sir, data when Flock

791
00:23:45,328 --> 00:23:48,928
goes bankrupt and they have to

792
00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:50,895
sell their assets. Thank you.

793
00:23:50,895 --> 00:23:53,295
Thank you, Ben Alcorn.

794
00:23:58,195 --> 00:23:58,862
>> Followed by Laura Harris.

795
00:23:58,862 --> 00:24:01,262
Veteran Elkhorn Madras and

796
00:24:05,829 --> 00:24:06,962
file. I think it's a

797
00:24:06,962 --> 00:24:08,728
complicated issue doesn't fit

798
00:24:08,728 --> 00:24:09,363
into our traditional 2 party

799
00:24:09,363 --> 00:24:12,363
system. Like we've got a

800
00:24:12,962 --> 00:24:13,662
design. Like most issues do.

801
00:24:13,662 --> 00:24:17,262
So it's a little nuanced. And

802
00:24:18,663 --> 00:24:21,960
I Next thing I want to say is

803
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,496
a moratorium is not a ban.

804
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:26,163
It's just time pause. Take

805
00:24:26,163 --> 00:24:26,896
time to look at the issues and

806
00:24:26,896 --> 00:24:29,296
talk through, especially since

807
00:24:31,129 --> 00:24:33,163
it is a nuanced. Ishan are

808
00:24:33,163 --> 00:24:33,863
some pros. I've seen it work

809
00:24:33,863 --> 00:24:34,562
in the construction industry

810
00:24:34,562 --> 00:24:37,796
and cameras have been put on

811
00:24:37,796 --> 00:24:40,796
job sites and stopped. And

812
00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:44,196
help catch criminals. That of

813
00:24:44,196 --> 00:24:44,729
gone to job sites to steal

814
00:24:44,729 --> 00:24:45,963
things which makes

815
00:24:45,963 --> 00:24:47,963
affordability of houses

816
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:49,620
higher, right? So I mean,

817
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:52,662
there's real good case uses of

818
00:24:53,963 --> 00:24:54,763
However. You know, we don't

819
00:24:54,763 --> 00:24:55,429
want to give jso that, you

820
00:24:55,429 --> 00:24:59,290
know, the tools to do their

821
00:25:00,396 --> 00:25:01,463
job. We want to be safe.

822
00:25:01,463 --> 00:25:02,996
Identification harassment,

823
00:25:02,996 --> 00:25:04,630
privacy, liberty are issues

824
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:06,863
that matter and they need to

825
00:25:06,863 --> 00:25:07,530
be discussed. And so. I think

826
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:09,930
transparency is really the

827
00:25:10,163 --> 00:25:10,863
issue. This is obviously

828
00:25:10,863 --> 00:25:13,796
authorized and jso is budget

829
00:25:13,796 --> 00:25:14,464
which the law budget with

830
00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:17,563
online. You know that not a

831
00:25:17,563 --> 00:25:18,363
lot of people necessarily see.

832
00:25:18,363 --> 00:25:19,863
What is the cost of this

833
00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:21,970
because it is a taxpayer cost

834
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:24,970
ultimately our taxes pay jso.

835
00:25:25,696 --> 00:25:27,164
All right. So some

836
00:25:27,164 --> 00:25:27,830
transparency there. What is it

837
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:29,463
being used for? Is it just

838
00:25:29,463 --> 00:25:32,463
being used for? A license

839
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:34,298
plates? I think jso made a

840
00:25:34,298 --> 00:25:34,997
statement that that's the

841
00:25:34,997 --> 00:25:37,597
case. I don't know if that's

842
00:25:37,597 --> 00:25:40,497
necessarily fully true or not.

843
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,310
So transparency is the issue

844
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:42,697
is this data being shared with

845
00:25:42,697 --> 00:25:44,964
who else has access to this

846
00:25:44,964 --> 00:25:47,364
data besides jso? For

847
00:25:48,297 --> 00:25:49,831
instance. Immigration,

848
00:25:49,831 --> 00:25:52,831
customs, they have access to

849
00:25:54,331 --> 00:25:54,997
the as I said You know, just

850
00:25:54,997 --> 00:25:55,864
wondering and we don't know

851
00:25:55,864 --> 00:25:58,864
the answers to that. All

852
00:25:59,764 --> 00:26:04,131
right. So I want to go back to

853
00:26:04,131 --> 00:26:05,698
a moratorium is not a ban.

854
00:26:05,698 --> 00:26:08,698
Annex of Laura Harris played

855
00:26:15,998 --> 00:26:19,598
by Matt Hammond. Matt, if just

856
00:26:21,497 --> 00:26:23,497
kind of prep.

857
00:26:23,798 --> 00:26:26,198
>> I am not an active this

858
00:26:26,198 --> 00:26:29,798
time. Just an old lady. Who

859
00:26:30,831 --> 00:26:33,365
retired. And I'm here to tell

860
00:26:33,365 --> 00:26:34,365
you about an experience that I

861
00:26:34,365 --> 00:26:35,232
had in 2022. Where one

862
00:26:35,232 --> 00:26:37,164
Saturday morning I went out to

863
00:26:37,164 --> 00:26:39,431
my driveway. My car was gone.

864
00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,865
Name and address, I it's on

865
00:26:42,865 --> 00:26:43,665
the card. Got that. Name

866
00:26:43,665 --> 00:26:46,650
please. I apologize. Laura

867
00:26:47,932 --> 00:26:50,932
Harris. I'm sorry. I'm not

868
00:26:52,466 --> 00:26:53,398
accustomed public. Speaking.

869
00:26:53,398 --> 00:26:54,980
>> And you're doing great. You

870
00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:56,899
got it already had a minute.

871
00:26:56,899 --> 00:26:57,599
And 47 If you don't mind, I'm

872
00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:59,199
just going to read this since

873
00:26:59,199 --> 00:27:01,199
going be. Consistently

874
00:27:06,732 --> 00:27:07,699
interrupted. My name is Laura

875
00:27:07,699 --> 00:27:09,465
Harris. I live in

876
00:27:09,465 --> 00:27:10,132
Jacksonville, Florida, in

877
00:27:10,132 --> 00:27:11,799
2022. 1 beautiful Saturday

878
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,565
morning. I walked out to my

879
00:27:14,565 --> 00:27:16,165
driveway. It was empty. My car

880
00:27:16,165 --> 00:27:19,699
was gone. I posted on Facebook

881
00:27:19,699 --> 00:27:20,366
looking for my vehicle. I feel

882
00:27:20,366 --> 00:27:21,999
for scheme claiming to have

883
00:27:21,999 --> 00:27:24,990
the ability to find my car. I

884
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:27,990
paid them for help. Victimized

885
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,199
again. When police eventually

886
00:27:31,832 --> 00:27:33,366
recovered my vehicle in a week

887
00:27:33,366 --> 00:27:34,799
or so. All my belongings were

888
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,799
gone in their place were

889
00:27:39,632 --> 00:27:40,266
dozens. Of other people's

890
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:42,666
credit cards, purses and

891
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
wallets. Initially, I didn't

892
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:47,433
understand why I was asked to

893
00:27:47,433 --> 00:27:49,600
retrieve my car from the

894
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,566
suspect's address or the

895
00:27:50,566 --> 00:27:52,699
suspect's residence or why the

896
00:27:52,699 --> 00:27:54,199
police have not removed items

897
00:27:54,199 --> 00:27:56,833
that obviously did not belong

898
00:27:56,833 --> 00:27:58,660
to me. I eventually realized

899
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:01,699
that I was being rolled out in

900
00:28:01,699 --> 00:28:03,933
just out as a suspect. I was

901
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:06,899
one victim. There were many

902
00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:08,766
others. If Lott cameras had

903
00:28:08,766 --> 00:28:09,867
been in place, then that car

904
00:28:09,867 --> 00:28:12,000
might have been located faster

905
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,334
and some of those people might

906
00:28:14,334 --> 00:28:15,670
have been spared. The theft

907
00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:18,667
and the months of cleanup that

908
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:20,400
followed. I understand the

909
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,800
privacy concerns were already

910
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:27,834
tracked on our phones. We're

911
00:28:27,834 --> 00:28:29,766
already tracked on our phones.

912
00:28:29,766 --> 00:28:30,967
Our computers are streaming

913
00:28:30,967 --> 00:28:32,967
accounts. These cameras

914
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,700
photograph was 2 That's 2

915
00:28:36,533 --> 00:28:37,901
minutes. Could I ask

916
00:28:37,901 --> 00:28:40,400
>> afraid we have a very I got

917
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,234
a large stack we created 2

918
00:28:42,234 --> 00:28:44,367
minutes I would just like to

919
00:28:44,367 --> 00:28:46,600
add it cost me well over

920
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,300
$5,000 understood. I met him

921
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:48,100
my head. Please come up next

922
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,401
up at U.S. And Patrick, after

923
00:28:51,401 --> 00:28:52,340
met.

924
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:54,434
>> Learning about him and

925
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,100
addresses on file. Obviously

926
00:28:58,501 --> 00:28:59,901
everyone has most of us are

927
00:28:59,901 --> 00:29:00,800
many of us in and victims of

928
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,300
crimes. That's not the point.

929
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,300
Question here this use of

930
00:29:08,901 --> 00:29:09,867
flock. Use of flock cameras.

931
00:29:09,867 --> 00:29:10,500
Other a apl, ours or any

932
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,367
others devices have been

933
00:29:12,367 --> 00:29:14,468
around for many years or

934
00:29:14,468 --> 00:29:15,201
direct violation of her 4th

935
00:29:15,201 --> 00:29:17,680
Amendment rights. Harris, U.S.

936
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Supreme Court. U.S. First,

937
00:29:20,135 --> 00:29:21,101
Jones, 5, 6, 5, U.S. 400. That

938
00:29:21,101 --> 00:29:22,335
just court reversed. The

939
00:29:22,335 --> 00:29:23,967
concluding that admission of

940
00:29:23,967 --> 00:29:24,801
evidence obtained by

941
00:29:24,801 --> 00:29:25,467
warrantless use of gps device

942
00:29:25,467 --> 00:29:27,867
violated the 4th Amendment

943
00:29:28,670 --> 00:29:28,635
rights of this is pervasive.

944
00:29:28,635 --> 00:29:30,635
Warrantless search of

945
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:34,680
citizens. Carpenter verse U.S.

946
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,902
5, 8, 5, us 2, 9, 6, the U.S.

947
00:29:35,902 --> 00:29:36,835
Supreme Court again reversed

948
00:29:36,835 --> 00:29:39,235
holding that the acquisition

949
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:40,801
of Partners, cell site records

950
00:29:40,801 --> 00:29:44,401
was a 4th Amendment search. So

951
00:29:45,235 --> 00:29:45,935
the 3rd party. Basis does not

952
00:29:45,935 --> 00:29:46,602
hold here either. So another

953
00:29:46,602 --> 00:29:50,202
fox Wing, it are the states

954
00:29:51,468 --> 00:29:52,602
it. If the states holding this

955
00:29:52,602 --> 00:29:53,568
information, then it's public

956
00:29:53,568 --> 00:29:54,602
record. People can access it

957
00:29:54,602 --> 00:29:55,335
for themselves if they

958
00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:57,602
destroyed and 7 days than they

959
00:29:57,602 --> 00:30:00,602
are in violation of protecting

960
00:30:01,735 --> 00:30:04,135
state records. Right? Also,

961
00:30:05,235 --> 00:30:05,935
Florida has a anti stalking

962
00:30:05,935 --> 00:30:07,935
statute. It's 74 died. 0, 4,

963
00:30:08,702 --> 00:30:09,335
8, Which makes it a crime for

964
00:30:09,335 --> 00:30:12,935
any person. This is a put

965
00:30:13,835 --> 00:30:14,535
more. Your office to willfully

966
00:30:14,535 --> 00:30:16,935
and repeatedly follow another

967
00:30:23,769 --> 00:30:27,369
person. If you see a present

968
00:30:28,136 --> 00:30:29,869
their absent. Hello, do you

969
00:30:29,869 --> 00:30:33,469
see a person All right. Thank

970
00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:38,402
you, Corey. Go ahead. Ask him.

971
00:30:38,402 --> 00:30:39,360
>> Good morning. My name is

972
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:39,636
Allison Patrick. Addison

973
00:30:39,636 --> 00:30:42,360
Liberty. Patrick, in my

974
00:30:42,803 --> 00:30:43,536
addresses on file. And I'm

975
00:30:43,536 --> 00:30:45,135
sure there's going to be a lot

976
00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:45,803
more people who are going to

977
00:30:45,803 --> 00:30:48,669
talk about the violation of

978
00:30:48,669 --> 00:30:50,436
her 4th Amendment rights. So I

979
00:30:50,436 --> 00:30:54,360
will leave that alone for now.

980
00:30:54,569 --> 00:30:55,602
>> I do want to say. Something

981
00:30:55,602 --> 00:30:56,469
that I don't believe. I've

982
00:30:56,469 --> 00:30:57,536
heard anybody say this

983
00:30:57,536 --> 00:30:59,469
morning. Somebody did mention

984
00:30:59,469 --> 00:31:01,136
what happens to the data if

985
00:31:01,136 --> 00:31:01,736
lock or any other companies

986
00:31:01,736 --> 00:31:02,903
like Accenture, whoever

987
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,303
purchases these like, where's

988
00:31:05,670 --> 00:31:09,870
that day to go? How long do

989
00:31:10,103 --> 00:31:11,470
they have access to the data?

990
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,700
Right now? I believe some of

991
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,400
it is in the aws Cloud. I

992
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:18,903
think that's an issue. I think

993
00:31:18,903 --> 00:31:19,603
this could be a national

994
00:31:19,603 --> 00:31:21,803
security issue. I think this

995
00:31:21,803 --> 00:31:22,136
is a bad, bad, bad thing all

996
00:31:22,136 --> 00:31:24,136
around.

997
00:31:24,836 --> 00:31:25,737
>> We have people from all

998
00:31:25,737 --> 00:31:26,736
political.

999
00:31:26,736 --> 00:31:27,637
>> Parties represented who are

1000
00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:28,303
speaking against this for, you

1001
00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,303
know, for some reason or

1002
00:31:32,504 --> 00:31:33,337
another. And it's we have to

1003
00:31:33,337 --> 00:31:37,537
we have to pay attention to to

1004
00:31:42,803 --> 00:31:43,470
all of this jso. Town hall

1005
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:44,703
meeting that they have for

1006
00:31:44,703 --> 00:31:46,837
district 6 now is that they

1007
00:31:46,837 --> 00:31:48,737
mention that there and 9 month

1008
00:31:48,737 --> 00:31:49,437
backlog of just responding to

1009
00:31:49,437 --> 00:31:50,771
body cam requests because of

1010
00:31:50,771 --> 00:31:54,571
all the things that have to be

1011
00:31:54,571 --> 00:31:55,837
redacted. So if we have flock

1012
00:31:55,837 --> 00:31:56,603
cameras and jso has any

1013
00:31:56,603 --> 00:31:57,171
control over those and they

1014
00:31:57,171 --> 00:31:59,537
have to redact public

1015
00:31:59,537 --> 00:32:00,703
information that sensitive.

1016
00:32:00,703 --> 00:32:01,671
How long would it take us to

1017
00:32:01,671 --> 00:32:03,871
even find out what they even

1018
00:32:03,871 --> 00:32:04,571
have going on there for

1019
00:32:04,571 --> 00:32:05,838
records? Requests of its were

1020
00:32:05,838 --> 00:32:07,904
already in almost a year of

1021
00:32:07,904 --> 00:32:09,400
the backlog. They also have

1022
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:09,538
drones. I think this is a

1023
00:32:09,538 --> 00:32:09,608
slippery slippery s#

1024
00:32:09,608 --> 00:32:09,684
#

1025
00:32:09,684 --> 00:32:09,766
#

1026
00:32:09,766 --> 00:32:10,770
#

1027
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,770
. We've

1028
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:13,904
got all the cameras

1029
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:15,371
everywhere. They're all

1030
00:32:15,371 --> 00:32:16,710
talking to. Each other are

1031
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:19,710
being tracked. And now we've

1032
00:32:19,404 --> 00:32:20,537
got the drones. So if you're

1033
00:32:20,537 --> 00:32:22,204
not aware, go, look those up

1034
00:32:22,204 --> 00:32:25,204
jso has deploying those in

1035
00:32:26,204 --> 00:32:28,371
certain situations. So I

1036
00:32:28,371 --> 00:32:29,504
support canceling the full

1037
00:32:29,504 --> 00:32:30,237
contracts, getting rid of them

1038
00:32:30,237 --> 00:32:32,371
and anything else that we have

1039
00:32:32,371 --> 00:32:33,805
in that sphere. And if not, I

1040
00:32:33,805 --> 00:32:35,805
support the temporary

1041
00:32:36,304 --> 00:32:37,971
moratorium so we can just get

1042
00:32:37,971 --> 00:32:40,571
rid of them now. Thank you so

1043
00:32:40,571 --> 00:32:41,380
much. Thanks, Patrick.

1044
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:41,938
Jennifer Dean.

1045
00:32:41,938 --> 00:32:44,338
>> Followed by Rachel Read

1046
00:32:45,106 --> 00:32:46,404
about Herb about. My my

1047
00:32:46,404 --> 00:32:48,804
thoughts. Jennifer Dean, I'm

1048
00:32:51,838 --> 00:32:53,838
sorry. Jennifer. 2 minutes,

1049
00:32:54,271 --> 00:32:54,971
Rachel, you're next.

1050
00:32:54,971 --> 00:32:56,804
>> I good morning. My name is

1051
00:32:56,804 --> 00:32:58,804
Jennifer Dean. Patterson,

1052
00:32:59,380 --> 00:32:59,771
record. I want to make thing

1053
00:32:59,771 --> 00:33:01,838
one thing very clear. I am not

1054
00:33:01,838 --> 00:33:04,380
against security and I'm not

1055
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:05,572
against technology. I support

1056
00:33:05,572 --> 00:33:06,105
technology that helps law

1057
00:33:06,105 --> 00:33:07,738
enforcement protect

1058
00:33:07,738 --> 00:33:08,705
communities and improve

1059
00:33:08,705 --> 00:33:09,405
emergency response. But the

1060
00:33:09,405 --> 00:33:11,805
security and surveillance or

1061
00:33:12,705 --> 00:33:14,972
not the same thing. Security

1062
00:33:14,972 --> 00:33:16,972
protects people surveillance

1063
00:33:17,838 --> 00:33:19,705
monitors people. And when

1064
00:33:19,705 --> 00:33:20,338
technology contract core

1065
00:33:20,338 --> 00:33:22,338
collect store information

1066
00:33:23,239 --> 00:33:25,390
about ordinary citizens. We

1067
00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:25,772
need to safeguards before that

1068
00:33:25,772 --> 00:33:27,772
technology expands. Technology

1069
00:33:27,972 --> 00:33:30,939
is moving faster than many of

1070
00:33:30,939 --> 00:33:32,572
our laws and policies. We do

1071
00:33:32,572 --> 00:33:33,438
not know exactly what these

1072
00:33:33,438 --> 00:33:35,105
systems MAY be capable of 5 or

1073
00:33:35,105 --> 00:33:37,505
10 years from now. How

1074
00:33:38,805 --> 00:33:40,739
databases MAY connect, how

1075
00:33:40,739 --> 00:33:41,639
artificial intelligence MAY

1076
00:33:41,639 --> 00:33:42,239
analyze the information around

1077
00:33:42,239 --> 00:33:44,639
information can be used

1078
00:33:44,639 --> 00:33:46,572
tomorrow. That is why the

1079
00:33:46,572 --> 00:33:48,972
public deserves answers. Now

1080
00:33:49,373 --> 00:33:51,906
who owns this technology who

1081
00:33:51,906 --> 00:33:54,500
controls it, who has access to

1082
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:54,772
it? Why is the information

1083
00:33:54,772 --> 00:33:57,772
being collected? How long has

1084
00:33:59,106 --> 00:34:01,539
it stored? How how are audits

1085
00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:03,772
used? What happens if it's

1086
00:34:03,772 --> 00:34:04,373
abused? That should be clear

1087
00:34:04,373 --> 00:34:06,773
limits. There should be

1088
00:34:07,973 --> 00:34:10,139
Clinton clear in its limits.

1089
00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:12,139
>> Oversight, transparency,

1090
00:34:12,173 --> 00:34:12,706
accountability and meaningful

1091
00:34:12,706 --> 00:34:14,706
public input before

1092
00:34:15,373 --> 00:34:17,373
surveillance technology. Is

1093
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,400
installed, expanded or

1094
00:34:20,807 --> 00:34:21,506
renewed. We should be also

1095
00:34:21,506 --> 00:34:22,106
asked whether the technology

1096
00:34:22,106 --> 00:34:24,506
is actually solving the

1097
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,706
problem. Not every public

1098
00:34:27,706 --> 00:34:29,673
safety problem requires

1099
00:34:29,673 --> 00:34:31,673
another camera, sometimes

1100
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:33,373
better lighting staffing,

1101
00:34:33,373 --> 00:34:34,730
communication. Emergency

1102
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:36,207
response are less intrusive.

1103
00:34:36,207 --> 00:34:38,107
Technology MAY be a better

1104
00:34:38,107 --> 00:34:40,173
situation. The question should

1105
00:34:40,173 --> 00:34:42,440
always be what actually makes

1106
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,600
people safer while creating

1107
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,674
the least unnecessary

1108
00:34:44,674 --> 00:34:46,674
intrusion of their lives. I

1109
00:34:46,674 --> 00:34:49,740
support law enforcement. I

1110
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:52,340
support fighting crime. I

1111
00:34:52,874 --> 00:34:53,473
support innovation. But I also

1112
00:34:53,473 --> 00:34:54,107
support privacy, civil

1113
00:34:54,107 --> 00:34:56,107
liberties and reasonable

1114
00:34:57,573 --> 00:34:59,410
government. There are things

1115
00:34:59,410 --> 00:34:59,707
there are things that are not

1116
00:34:59,707 --> 00:35:02,730
mutually exclusive to make

1117
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:02,774
public safety matters.

1118
00:35:02,774 --> 00:35:04,807
>> Thank you. Thank you very

1119
00:35:04,807 --> 00:35:07,807
much, Rachel. About and then

1120
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,241
Marshall Branick. It been.

1121
00:35:14,241 --> 00:35:16,874
>> Thank you. My name Rachel.

1122
00:35:16,874 --> 00:35:19,474
Be about address is on file.

1123
00:35:19,474 --> 00:35:21,741
Thank you for the opportunity

1124
00:35:21,741 --> 00:35:22,474
to speak. This is my first

1125
00:35:22,474 --> 00:35:26,740
time ever speaking at a public

1126
00:35:30,207 --> 00:35:32,141
meeting. Excuse me, I'm sorry.

1127
00:35:32,141 --> 00:35:33,241
You're going start time for

1128
00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:35,241
meant.

1129
00:35:37,475 --> 00:35:38,208
>> You are. Brought.

1130
00:35:38,208 --> 00:35:40,574
>> I stopped. Told my son that

1131
00:35:40,574 --> 00:35:41,241
was coming this morning. And I

1132
00:35:41,241 --> 00:35:42,874
would just like to say them

1133
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:43,941
that I'm speaking his behalf.

1134
00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:46,941
He's been taking civics class

1135
00:35:47,575 --> 00:35:50,642
in public school. And I told

1136
00:35:50,642 --> 00:35:52,800
him that it's citizens

1137
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,750
responsibility. So if I don't

1138
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:55,541
come to a public meeting and

1139
00:35:55,541 --> 00:35:59,741
speak I know that he can. And

1140
00:36:00,108 --> 00:36:02,308
so on. I do want to just

1141
00:36:02,308 --> 00:36:03,242
mention that state

1142
00:36:03,242 --> 00:36:03,875
Representative Black said that

1143
00:36:03,875 --> 00:36:07,475
we want to remain a free

1144
00:36:08,942 --> 00:36:09,675
people. It's important and to

1145
00:36:09,675 --> 00:36:12,608
keep our freedom for security,

1146
00:36:12,608 --> 00:36:15,608
security and safety in the

1147
00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:18,750
spirit of our 250 th-birthday.

1148
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:19,941
I just would like to read that

1149
00:36:19,941 --> 00:36:22,341
Thomas Jefferson said and 17,

1150
00:36:22,375 --> 00:36:23,342
74 that a free people claim

1151
00:36:23,342 --> 00:36:26,308
their rights as arrived from

1152
00:36:26,308 --> 00:36:29,176
the laws of nature and not as

1153
00:36:29,176 --> 00:36:32,176
the gift of their chief

1154
00:36:32,176 --> 00:36:33,642
magistrate. It seems that

1155
00:36:33,642 --> 00:36:34,542
there's an emphasis government

1156
00:36:34,542 --> 00:36:36,542
rights, municipal jurisdiction

1157
00:36:39,708 --> 00:36:41,575
to install this equipment

1158
00:36:41,575 --> 00:36:43,900
recently on Columbus, Ohio

1159
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,375
town meeting doctor via trend

1160
00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:49,343
who has a Ph d in crime,

1161
00:36:49,343 --> 00:36:51,243
surveillance and policing and

1162
00:36:51,243 --> 00:36:52,409
at Ohio State University said

1163
00:36:52,409 --> 00:36:56,900
on the record that he believes

1164
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:58,509
in his professional opinion,

1165
00:36:58,876 --> 00:36:59,976
that flock cameras is

1166
00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:00,476
basically investigating.

1167
00:37:00,476 --> 00:37:02,476
Everyone is under

1168
00:37:03,576 --> 00:37:04,276
investigation at all times.

1169
00:37:04,276 --> 00:37:04,909
And he acquitted Kay did that

1170
00:37:04,909 --> 00:37:07,309
to prescribe them. Sure.

1171
00:37:07,876 --> 00:37:08,542
Everyone in this room. A

1172
00:37:08,542 --> 00:37:11,542
certain movie comes to mind

1173
00:37:13,376 --> 00:37:15,343
when you think of that so it

1174
00:37:15,343 --> 00:37:16,430
goes beyond protecting 4th

1175
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:17,943
Amendment rights to be secure

1176
00:37:17,943 --> 00:37:20,943
in our personal property and

1177
00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:22,709
in our effects. It's been

1178
00:37:22,709 --> 00:37:24,443
Thank you. Thank you. Marshall

1179
00:37:24,443 --> 00:37:26,443
Branick.

1180
00:37:30,843 --> 00:37:32,910
>> Followed by Latasha hubs.

1181
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,210
>> Good morning. Marshall

1182
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:34,910
Anderson File Council includes

1183
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:35,976
a first thank you for holding

1184
00:37:35,976 --> 00:37:36,877
this meeting in taking the

1185
00:37:36,877 --> 00:37:37,709
time to hear us out. And thank

1186
00:37:37,709 --> 00:37:38,344
you for your service in the

1187
00:37:38,344 --> 00:37:41,210
Navy. That's going to be

1188
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:41,910
important. Second. For

1189
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:44,760
context, I just retired from

1190
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,677
the Navy last month after 20

1191
00:37:45,677 --> 00:37:47,743
years, I spent that time

1192
00:37:47,743 --> 00:37:48,543
aboard the u Geena before left

1193
00:37:48,543 --> 00:37:50,244
Jacksonville and I we actually

1194
00:37:50,244 --> 00:37:51,176
MAY have been stationed Jack

1195
00:37:51,176 --> 00:37:54,776
or a Norfolk around the same

1196
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,710
time there's somewhere along

1197
00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:58,944
the way. I also developed a

1198
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:00,244
strong interest in technology

1199
00:38:00,244 --> 00:38:01,911
and data couldn't code called

1200
00:38:01,911 --> 00:38:02,977
my way out paperback. But I

1201
00:38:02,977 --> 00:38:04,844
spend enough time working with

1202
00:38:04,844 --> 00:38:06,344
dad and I can understand how

1203
00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:08,344
seemingly significant pieces

1204
00:38:10,777 --> 00:38:11,644
information can be aggregated.

1205
00:38:11,644 --> 00:38:14,770
And what that bring forth. So

1206
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:16,110
I'm not here simply because

1207
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:16,677
constitutional Burr order

1208
00:38:16,677 --> 00:38:18,244
repeats some argument that

1209
00:38:18,244 --> 00:38:19,110
you've probably already heard.

1210
00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:19,644
I want to look at this risk

1211
00:38:19,644 --> 00:38:21,477
created by collecting and

1212
00:38:21,477 --> 00:38:23,611
retaining this data from a

1213
00:38:23,611 --> 00:38:24,877
different for I'm sorry from a

1214
00:38:24,877 --> 00:38:25,577
few different angles that I

1215
00:38:25,577 --> 00:38:27,444
don't think I've received

1216
00:38:27,444 --> 00:38:28,177
enough attention and public

1217
00:38:28,177 --> 00:38:29,944
conversation maybe in private,

1218
00:38:29,944 --> 00:38:32,978
but I'm going to say it out

1219
00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:33,911
loud, atf. He training

1220
00:38:33,911 --> 00:38:34,678
otherwise known as

1221
00:38:34,678 --> 00:38:35,310
Anti-Terrorism Force

1222
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:36,440
Protection teaches us to

1223
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,444
recognize patterns and protect

1224
00:38:39,878 --> 00:38:41,878
information routines.

1225
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,444
Routines, minimize or digital

1226
00:38:44,945 --> 00:38:45,578
footprints and avoid

1227
00:38:45,578 --> 00:38:46,244
unnecessarily. Revealing.

1228
00:38:46,244 --> 00:38:46,978
>> Where we live, where we

1229
00:38:46,978 --> 00:38:49,111
work. When we arrive, what our

1230
00:38:49,111 --> 00:38:50,977
daily patterns look like.

1231
00:38:50,977 --> 00:38:52,770
>> We do that because he's

1232
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:52,711
individually harmless pieces

1233
00:38:52,711 --> 00:38:53,378
of information can become

1234
00:38:53,378 --> 00:38:55,378
valuable intelligence when

1235
00:38:58,144 --> 00:38:59,211
aggregated. We were literally

1236
00:38:59,211 --> 00:38:59,944
stuck, told to stop using fit

1237
00:38:59,944 --> 00:39:02,611
bits well on base because they

1238
00:39:02,611 --> 00:39:03,279
map out our movements. Now, I

1239
00:39:03,279 --> 00:39:05,445
understand that all these

1240
00:39:05,445 --> 00:39:07,478
items mention aren't collected

1241
00:39:07,478 --> 00:39:08,611
by flock and that a single

1242
00:39:08,611 --> 00:39:10,645
picture of a license plate on

1243
00:39:10,645 --> 00:39:11,311
the road is not particularly

1244
00:39:11,311 --> 00:39:13,711
revealing, but thousands of

1245
00:39:14,311 --> 00:39:15,345
them paint a different story.

1246
00:39:15,345 --> 00:39:17,978
And the Supreme Court just

1247
00:39:17,978 --> 00:39:19,712
ruled on recently with the

1248
00:39:19,712 --> 00:39:20,412
Carter case. Now play that

1249
00:39:20,412 --> 00:39:22,478
concern here in Jacksonville.

1250
00:39:22,478 --> 00:39:24,579
We have an enormous military

1251
00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:25,778
presence. If a foreign

1252
00:39:25,778 --> 00:39:27,678
adversary associates, a person

1253
00:39:27,678 --> 00:39:29,412
of interest with the vehicle

1254
00:39:29,412 --> 00:39:30,479
and license plate access to

1255
00:39:30,479 --> 00:39:31,212
retain lpr data or active

1256
00:39:31,212 --> 00:39:32,945
feeds could turn into ordinary

1257
00:39:32,945 --> 00:39:34,945
traffic. And answer

1258
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:35,978
observations. And, you know,

1259
00:39:35,978 --> 00:39:36,645
understand. I appreciate and

1260
00:39:36,645 --> 00:39:37,345
thank you for your service.

1261
00:39:37,345 --> 00:39:39,745
Congrats in retirement. That

1262
00:39:40,479 --> 00:39:43,479
option. After she's going Chad

1263
00:39:46,312 --> 00:39:49,312
Charland. I get absentee and

1264
00:39:50,379 --> 00:39:51,790
Latasha hops my address file.

1265
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:52,412
>> I want to take a minute a

1266
00:39:52,412 --> 00:39:53,145
moment to speak about the

1267
00:39:53,145 --> 00:39:56,145
importance of flock cameras in

1268
00:39:56,145 --> 00:39:56,746
Jacksonville. As a mother of a

1269
00:39:56,746 --> 00:39:59,146
murdered child. My son,

1270
00:40:00,979 --> 00:40:01,679
Maurice Hobbs. As a mother of

1271
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,679
a murdered child fighting for

1272
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,645
justice for my son. Maurice, I

1273
00:40:07,645 --> 00:40:08,579
understand firsthand how

1274
00:40:08,579 --> 00:40:10,312
critical evidence can be when

1275
00:40:10,312 --> 00:40:12,479
the family searching for

1276
00:40:12,479 --> 00:40:13,546
answers. According to the

1277
00:40:13,546 --> 00:40:14,446
Jacksonville Sheriff's Office,

1278
00:40:14,446 --> 00:40:18,646
as I stated at the last agenda

1279
00:40:18,713 --> 00:40:19,413
meeting at City Hall. And the

1280
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:21,813
license plate reader cameras

1281
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:25,513
have helped saw 15 murders. 17

1282
00:40:25,513 --> 00:40:27,513
kidnappings, 6 forcible sex

1283
00:40:31,579 --> 00:40:33,347
offenses. Nearly 100 shootings

1284
00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:35,346
and 172 missing person cases

1285
00:40:35,346 --> 00:40:38,346
since 2024, those are not just

1286
00:40:40,179 --> 00:40:40,847
numbers. They represent

1287
00:40:40,847 --> 00:40:42,680
families who need answers.

1288
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,680
Victims who needed justice and

1289
00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:47,813
lives that were saved. I fully

1290
00:40:47,813 --> 00:40:49,280
support the continued use of

1291
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,580
flock cameras because I

1292
00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:53,980
believe public safety and

1293
00:40:54,446 --> 00:40:55,913
accountability matter. I'm

1294
00:40:55,913 --> 00:40:56,613
advocating to keep it locked

1295
00:40:56,613 --> 00:40:57,280
cameras in use because I know

1296
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,947
what it feels like when the

1297
00:40:57,947 --> 00:40:59,680
families left searching for

1298
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,800
Justice. I will continue

1299
00:41:02,147 --> 00:41:02,880
fighting for Murray's. I will

1300
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,880
continue fighting for other

1301
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,470
families who deserve answers

1302
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:08,847
when violence into their

1303
00:41:08,847 --> 00:41:09,547
lives. If technology can help

1304
00:41:09,547 --> 00:41:11,547
law enforcement identify

1305
00:41:13,747 --> 00:41:15,747
suspects. Violent criminals,

1306
00:41:15,847 --> 00:41:17,847
murderers locate missing

1307
00:41:17,914 --> 00:41:18,648
people, recover evidence and

1308
00:41:18,648 --> 00:41:19,347
bring justice to families. And

1309
00:41:19,347 --> 00:41:21,713
I believe we should continue

1310
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,314
investing in it while also

1311
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,314
ensuring appropriate

1312
00:41:25,547 --> 00:41:27,547
safeguards and accountability.

1313
00:41:27,747 --> 00:41:30,313
My son was robbed of his life.

1314
00:41:30,313 --> 00:41:30,948
I was robbed of my son. My

1315
00:41:30,948 --> 00:41:33,348
children robbed of their

1316
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:33,774
brother. I'll be d#

1317
00:41:33,774 --> 00:41:33,862
#

1318
00:41:33,862 --> 00:41:33,954
#

1319
00:41:33,954 --> 00:41:34,560
#

1320
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:34,314
#

1321
00:41:34,314 --> 00:41:36,140
if I

1322
00:41:36,140 --> 00:41:38,947
let anyone Rodney of his

1323
00:41:38,947 --> 00:41:39,647
justice and justice for other

1324
00:41:39,647 --> 00:41:42,140
families. Please keep up. The

1325
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:45,140
flock cameras. Thank you for

1326
00:41:45,548 --> 00:41:46,248
your time. Go to action.

1327
00:41:46,248 --> 00:41:48,648
>> Chad Charles and followed

1328
00:41:51,948 --> 00:41:52,881
by Albert Stern. My name is

1329
00:41:52,881 --> 00:41:54,714
Chad Charles and I live at 3,

1330
00:41:54,714 --> 00:41:55,781
0, 4, 6, be First Avenue in

1331
00:41:55,781 --> 00:41:56,914
Fernandina Beach.

1332
00:41:56,914 --> 00:41:59,815
>> And I am running for state

1333
00:41:59,815 --> 00:42:00,448
House in District 15, which

1334
00:42:00,448 --> 00:42:01,114
include cannot you cannot

1335
00:42:01,114 --> 00:42:02,681
campaigners or not. This is

1336
00:42:02,681 --> 00:42:04,140
part of even that isn't

1337
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:05,681
Haitian government district

1338
00:42:05,681 --> 00:42:06,947
includes parts of northern and

1339
00:42:06,947 --> 00:42:08,548
northwestern Duval County and

1340
00:42:08,548 --> 00:42:09,248
want to drive from my home in

1341
00:42:09,248 --> 00:42:11,648
Fernandina through Nassau and

1342
00:42:11,715 --> 00:42:12,948
into Duval is I routinely do I

1343
00:42:12,948 --> 00:42:13,548
am under constant surveillance

1344
00:42:13,548 --> 00:42:14,215
from a network of flock

1345
00:42:14,215 --> 00:42:15,448
cameras installed by local

1346
00:42:15,448 --> 00:42:17,215
police and sheriff's

1347
00:42:17,215 --> 00:42:19,150
department. I am treated like

1348
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:19,681
a suspect. The mass

1349
00:42:19,681 --> 00:42:21,215
surveillance is unwarranted

1350
00:42:21,215 --> 00:42:22,815
and performed without any

1351
00:42:22,815 --> 00:42:23,515
reasonable suspicion. It is

1352
00:42:23,515 --> 00:42:24,215
only a matter of time before

1353
00:42:24,215 --> 00:42:26,615
this technology is turned on

1354
00:42:26,615 --> 00:42:27,315
people like meat and I say

1355
00:42:27,315 --> 00:42:29,748
people like meeting people in

1356
00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:31,150
the political minority. I am

1357
00:42:31,150 --> 00:42:31,748
non party affiliated, but I

1358
00:42:31,748 --> 00:42:33,449
oppose big tech and flock

1359
00:42:33,449 --> 00:42:35,548
cameras and data centers. I

1360
00:42:35,548 --> 00:42:37,482
support and Florida law

1361
00:42:37,482 --> 00:42:38,482
enforcement to 87 agreements

1362
00:42:38,482 --> 00:42:40,515
with ice. And for doing all of

1363
00:42:40,515 --> 00:42:41,249
this, I'm considered an enemy

1364
00:42:41,249 --> 00:42:42,715
of the state as spelled out in

1365
00:42:42,715 --> 00:42:44,549
a presidential executive

1366
00:42:44,549 --> 00:42:45,148
order. I subject myself to

1367
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:45,848
additional tracking and

1368
00:42:45,848 --> 00:42:48,848
targeting by speaking out at

1369
00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:51,490
meetings like this, giving my

1370
00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:51,716
home address to the very

1371
00:42:51,716 --> 00:42:52,416
companies with a technology

1372
00:42:52,416 --> 00:42:54,882
capable of tracking my every

1373
00:42:54,882 --> 00:42:55,715
move. I'm an honest, I'm also

1374
00:42:55,715 --> 00:42:57,549
an environmentalist and it has

1375
00:42:57,549 --> 00:42:59,616
been proven that the state of

1376
00:42:59,616 --> 00:43:00,316
Florida through the Fish and

1377
00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:00,915
Wildlife Commission has been

1378
00:43:00,915 --> 00:43:01,615
using privilege. Law

1379
00:43:01,615 --> 00:43:04,150
enforcement tracking data and

1380
00:43:04,116 --> 00:43:04,649
tools to illegally and without

1381
00:43:04,649 --> 00:43:05,382
cause investigate.

1382
00:43:05,382 --> 00:43:07,215
Environmentalist in the state.

1383
00:43:07,215 --> 00:43:10,182
I'm a target. The people in

1384
00:43:10,182 --> 00:43:12,150
this room are targets. These

1385
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:12,683
cameras make it easier for big

1386
00:43:12,683 --> 00:43:14,183
tech in law enforcement and

1387
00:43:14,183 --> 00:43:15,249
corporations to target track,

1388
00:43:15,249 --> 00:43:18,382
harass us GOD knows what else

1389
00:43:18,382 --> 00:43:19,830
in the future. The first

1390
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:20,490
responsibility of government

1391
00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:22,416
is to protect the people. You

1392
00:43:22,416 --> 00:43:22,949
can protect the people by

1393
00:43:22,949 --> 00:43:23,616
removing these mass

1394
00:43:23,616 --> 00:43:25,616
surveillance cameras. Thank

1395
00:43:27,749 --> 00:43:30,749
you. Albert Stern followed by

1396
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,170
Dragon late. Name is Albert

1397
00:43:39,416 --> 00:43:40,116
Stern. My address is on file.

1398
00:43:40,116 --> 00:43:40,716
>> Having this meeting, thank

1399
00:43:40,716 --> 00:43:43,716
you for looking at the

1400
00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:45,183
moratorium. Please do There's

1401
00:43:45,183 --> 00:43:47,249
a lot of concerns and I am

1402
00:43:47,249 --> 00:43:48,500
deeply concerned about the men

1403
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:48,749
surveillance tape

1404
00:43:48,749 --> 00:43:51,749
specifically. I want to speak

1405
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:53,983
about the flock camera company

1406
00:43:53,983 --> 00:43:54,716
specifically. This company has

1407
00:43:54,716 --> 00:43:57,830
created a system that has been

1408
00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:59,117
abuse throughout the country.

1409
00:43:59,117 --> 00:44:00,683
Even here in the state of

1410
00:44:00,683 --> 00:44:01,350
Florida where people are using

1411
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:03,750
it inappropriately to stalk

1412
00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:09,716
people. It is clear that that

1413
00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:10,450
company he's not a serious

1414
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:12,850
security company. You wouldn't

1415
00:44:13,383 --> 00:44:14,840
make something like that.

1416
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:14,717
Their ceo, its kind on record

1417
00:44:14,717 --> 00:44:17,117
saying that they've made

1418
00:44:18,517 --> 00:44:21,384
mistakes. But I ask it is to

1419
00:44:21,384 --> 00:44:22,651
think about that company. They

1420
00:44:22,651 --> 00:44:23,284
have been they are funded and

1421
00:44:23,284 --> 00:44:25,417
their their startup funds

1422
00:44:25,417 --> 00:44:26,830
comes from places like y

1423
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:28,350
Combinator Marc and Resist

1424
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:29,117
group. They're a tech company

1425
00:44:29,117 --> 00:44:30,851
like every other tech company.

1426
00:44:30,851 --> 00:44:31,618
They're gonna play by those

1427
00:44:31,618 --> 00:44:33,684
rules. Once you get hooked on

1428
00:44:33,684 --> 00:44:34,317
the heroine of this, they're

1429
00:44:34,317 --> 00:44:37,317
going to change the price

1430
00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:39,317
structure. They're gonna

1431
00:44:39,317 --> 00:44:40,284
change. But the offer you and

1432
00:44:40,284 --> 00:44:41,180
then the cameras going to be

1433
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:41,684
up there and it's gonna be too

1434
00:44:41,684 --> 00:44:42,317
expensive. And what you can

1435
00:44:42,317 --> 00:44:45,851
do, you can take him down

1436
00:44:45,851 --> 00:44:46,584
thing. The other thing about

1437
00:44:46,584 --> 00:44:47,184
companies, if they get hacked,

1438
00:44:47,184 --> 00:44:49,584
every tech company gets

1439
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:50,750
hacked. This is a tech

1440
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:53,318
company. It's not a security

1441
00:44:53,318 --> 00:44:54,451
company. Thank you. Very much,

1442
00:44:54,451 --> 00:44:56,451
Sir. Blight.

1443
00:45:04,952 --> 00:45:06,218
>> Followed by. Casey Jones.

1444
00:45:06,218 --> 00:45:07,850
>> Hey, everybody, I'm driving

1445
00:45:07,850 --> 00:45:08,218
below my addresses on file.

1446
00:45:08,218 --> 00:45:08,851
And as you know, I've been

1447
00:45:08,851 --> 00:45:11,251
advocating about this for

1448
00:45:11,985 --> 00:45:14,180
several months now. So I think

1449
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:14,885
it's really interesting that

1450
00:45:14,885 --> 00:45:15,618
we think that we shouldn't

1451
00:45:15,618 --> 00:45:18,618
rush into a decision, but they

1452
00:45:18,618 --> 00:45:19,852
showed up overnight dishes,

1453
00:45:19,852 --> 00:45:20,485
the people installing them. By

1454
00:45:20,485 --> 00:45:22,685
the way, I've seen dish a

1455
00:45:22,685 --> 00:45:24,685
go-around, installing them,

1456
00:45:24,718 --> 00:45:25,685
they are installed without

1457
00:45:25,685 --> 00:45:26,785
breakway plates at the bottom,

1458
00:45:26,785 --> 00:45:28,218
which means if a car hits

1459
00:45:28,218 --> 00:45:28,885
them, that metal doesn't move.

1460
00:45:28,885 --> 00:45:31,218
And that person in the car

1461
00:45:31,218 --> 00:45:32,118
gets very hurt. It's also

1462
00:45:32,118 --> 00:45:33,851
really interesting that we

1463
00:45:33,851 --> 00:45:36,850
think uk waters will hold off

1464
00:45:36,850 --> 00:45:37,452
Tuesday accountable. Charles

1465
00:45:37,452 --> 00:45:38,185
Matter, William McNeil Junior,

1466
00:45:38,185 --> 00:45:41,185
will Hayden, Asia Bennett have

1467
00:45:41,818 --> 00:45:43,520
something else to say on that?

1468
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,385
We have a lot of concerns of

1469
00:45:44,385 --> 00:45:46,952
people that can't be here. I

1470
00:45:46,952 --> 00:45:49,151
actually have a list of the

1471
00:45:49,151 --> 00:45:51,319
concerns that I've put in on

1472
00:45:51,319 --> 00:45:52,985
file for all the people that

1473
00:45:52,985 --> 00:45:54,418
couldn't be here because it's

1474
00:45:54,418 --> 00:45:55,419
10:30am. I understand we have

1475
00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:56,860
to do it sometime, right. But

1476
00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:57,418
a lot of people are working

1477
00:45:57,418 --> 00:45:58,118
right now into the working

1478
00:45:58,118 --> 00:46:01,118
people that are being tracked

1479
00:46:02,185 --> 00:46:04,850
every day. Usually couldn't

1480
00:46:04,850 --> 00:46:06,520
come here. Also, if you're

1481
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:06,785
other counties are doing.

1482
00:46:06,785 --> 00:46:08,185
Pasco County has just canceled

1483
00:46:08,185 --> 00:46:10,219
its entire flock contract even

1484
00:46:10,219 --> 00:46:12,152
after the purchase of several

1485
00:46:12,152 --> 00:46:13,252
flock drones and the

1486
00:46:13,252 --> 00:46:14,519
replacement contract with

1487
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,860
Axon. It is not just flock is

1488
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:18,153
also acts on is also Motorola.

1489
00:46:18,153 --> 00:46:18,752
Again, these are tech

1490
00:46:18,752 --> 00:46:20,519
companies, not security

1491
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,785
companies, and they are not

1492
00:46:22,785 --> 00:46:24,519
secure. Ben Jordan is a guy on

1493
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,552
YouTube, right? He's not

1494
00:46:26,552 --> 00:46:27,919
exactly a huge ways, but he's

1495
00:46:27,919 --> 00:46:28,653
able to hack into these

1496
00:46:28,653 --> 00:46:30,653
cameras within about 15

1497
00:46:32,552 --> 00:46:34,853
seconds. I don't want to know

1498
00:46:34,853 --> 00:46:35,986
what people that do this as

1499
00:46:35,986 --> 00:46:38,200
their job and as the way they

1500
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,530
make money illicitly or

1501
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:41,986
otherwise can do with that

1502
00:46:41,986 --> 00:46:44,530
camera, that data and that

1503
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:46,860
database. I am very concerned

1504
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:46,752
about the safety and security

1505
00:46:46,752 --> 00:46:49,153
of Jacksonville. I am very

1506
00:46:49,153 --> 00:46:49,786
concerned about the fact I

1507
00:46:49,786 --> 00:46:53,386
have within a mile of my

1508
00:46:54,453 --> 00:46:56,853
house. Literally more than 20.

1509
00:46:57,887 --> 00:46:58,520
I they are pointed at

1510
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,420
children's homes. They're

1511
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,420
pointed apartment complexes.

1512
00:47:03,387 --> 00:47:04,319
They are pointed at public

1513
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:05,486
pools. These should not be

1514
00:47:05,486 --> 00:47:09,860
used for this purpose. And I

1515
00:47:10,853 --> 00:47:13,853
don't think we can. Casey

1516
00:47:14,553 --> 00:47:17,553
Jones followed by it Gonzalez.

1517
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,520
>> I don't. Casey 7 to 5.

1518
00:47:21,987 --> 00:47:24,287
First re South Jacks Beach.

1519
00:47:24,287 --> 00:47:27,887
All the trust that we the

1520
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:31,540
people have. They're all lost

1521
00:47:32,187 --> 00:47:32,554
every bit. We're being

1522
00:47:32,554 --> 00:47:34,554
tracked.

1523
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:35,387
>> I mean, is this is super

1524
00:47:35,387 --> 00:47:37,387
scary.

1525
00:47:37,854 --> 00:47:39,210
>> So we the people that want

1526
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:40,521
them gone. We don't want to

1527
00:47:40,521 --> 00:47:41,187
restricted. We don't want to

1528
00:47:41,187 --> 00:47:42,920
if you can't do what you're

1529
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,520
supposed to do and what is

1530
00:47:47,254 --> 00:47:47,921
that? What are you supposed to

1531
00:47:47,921 --> 00:47:51,654
You go to you that the cops

1532
00:47:51,654 --> 00:47:52,321
want to do what? They want to

1533
00:47:52,321 --> 00:47:52,987
look at. They want to track

1534
00:47:52,987 --> 00:47:54,554
you. They want to see gps.

1535
00:47:54,554 --> 00:47:55,287
Want to see your Google,

1536
00:47:55,287 --> 00:47:57,321
whatever. That's what they got

1537
00:47:57,321 --> 00:47:59,854
to do. It. Everybody knows

1538
00:47:59,854 --> 00:48:03,887
what they got to do. So so let

1539
00:48:03,887 --> 00:48:04,688
me ask you a question. How is

1540
00:48:04,688 --> 00:48:07,880
the government dancing all

1541
00:48:09,821 --> 00:48:10,455
over the 4th Amendment? Does

1542
00:48:10,455 --> 00:48:11,955
anybody know that they're

1543
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:12,854
they're dancing on the

1544
00:48:12,854 --> 00:48:14,854
Constitution because they're

1545
00:48:17,921 --> 00:48:18,888
using a 3rd party. That's what

1546
00:48:18,888 --> 00:48:19,554
they're doing. And nobody at

1547
00:48:19,554 --> 00:48:21,521
of all the people to speak.

1548
00:48:21,521 --> 00:48:22,755
And I appreciate everybody

1549
00:48:22,755 --> 00:48:24,388
speaks, but nobody's vote of

1550
00:48:24,388 --> 00:48:27,210
the Constitution in the 4th

1551
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:30,210
Amendment. This is what it's

1552
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:31,188
all about. They're dancing on

1553
00:48:31,188 --> 00:48:31,821
the Constitution and the 4th

1554
00:48:31,821 --> 00:48:33,821
Amendment because they're

1555
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:36,821
using a 3rd party. So let let

1556
00:48:36,821 --> 00:48:41,210
me let me there was the clock

1557
00:48:43,588 --> 00:48:45,855
at. 30 yeah minute. 26. So let

1558
00:48:45,855 --> 00:48:46,588
let me quote our great

1559
00:48:46,588 --> 00:48:47,288
governor state of Florida. And

1560
00:48:47,288 --> 00:48:49,722
I know there's people on both

1561
00:48:49,722 --> 00:48:52,722
sides. There's people on both

1562
00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:54,890
sides that are against it. Not

1563
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:56,322
eliminating But let me let me

1564
00:48:56,322 --> 00:48:59,255
quote our great governor. I

1565
00:48:59,255 --> 00:49:00,722
think.

1566
00:49:00,722 --> 00:49:03,122
>> These and these mean.

1567
00:49:04,355 --> 00:49:06,255
>> The lpr. The license tag

1568
00:49:06,255 --> 00:49:08,589
reader. He just got Cody

1569
00:49:08,589 --> 00:49:09,289
yesterday. I think these

1570
00:49:09,289 --> 00:49:12,289
licensed Hagley Road are out

1571
00:49:13,355 --> 00:49:15,289
of control. That's what he The

1572
00:49:15,289 --> 00:49:16,822
videos up on my Facebook page.

1573
00:49:16,822 --> 00:49:20,422
So that's to answer. They are

1574
00:49:20,922 --> 00:49:21,622
out of control.

1575
00:49:21,622 --> 00:49:24,220
>> It here, Gonzalez followed

1576
00:49:30,889 --> 00:49:32,550
by Robert Jeffers.

1577
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:32,689
>> Good Morning. Council

1578
00:49:32,689 --> 00:49:33,322
members MAY need to hear

1579
00:49:33,322 --> 00:49:33,889
Gonzalez. I'm a graduate

1580
00:49:33,889 --> 00:49:36,289
public student at the

1581
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:39,422
University of North Florida.

1582
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:40,756
I'm here to talk about

1583
00:49:40,756 --> 00:49:43,322
cameras. So the recently has

1584
00:49:43,322 --> 00:49:44,323
said that we should compromise

1585
00:49:44,323 --> 00:49:45,156
or privacy just so we can

1586
00:49:45,156 --> 00:49:47,889
operate these cameras. I think

1587
00:49:47,889 --> 00:49:49,890
that is a crazy statement to

1588
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:52,856
say, I says a student. I want

1589
00:49:52,856 --> 00:49:53,956
to talk about how. We

1590
00:49:53,956 --> 00:49:55,956
shouldn't compromise our

1591
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:58,123
privacy just so we can solve

1592
00:49:58,123 --> 00:49:59,556
murders and kidnappings. Know

1593
00:49:59,556 --> 00:50:00,290
I do have empathy and

1594
00:50:00,290 --> 00:50:01,230
sympathize with you that your

1595
00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:04,570
son was murdered. I'm so sorry

1596
00:50:04,570 --> 00:50:04,756
that happened to you. But i

1597
00:50:04,756 --> 00:50:07,290
think you know, so we should

1598
00:50:07,290 --> 00:50:08,157
get to the bottom. The roots

1599
00:50:08,157 --> 00:50:10,690
of this problem of why Jackson

1600
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:12,690
has so much crime lie. We have

1601
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:14,857
so much King inflated

1602
00:50:14,857 --> 00:50:15,523
activity, I think instead of

1603
00:50:15,523 --> 00:50:17,290
installing more rising our

1604
00:50:17,290 --> 00:50:20,290
privacy. We should instead get

1605
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:23,290
to the root problem. And have

1606
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:25,910
more prevent violence

1607
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:27,290
prevention programs and we

1608
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:29,524
shouldn't have that money and

1609
00:50:29,524 --> 00:50:31,924
serve spending flock cameras.

1610
00:50:32,256 --> 00:50:32,824
We should spend that money

1611
00:50:32,824 --> 00:50:33,490
more and after-school

1612
00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:34,156
programs, things to prevent

1613
00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:34,724
violence, having community

1614
00:50:34,724 --> 00:50:37,124
members going to the

1615
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:40,190
community. And just spend it

1616
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:42,991
more where the money should be

1617
00:50:42,991 --> 00:50:43,724
spent. I think having flock

1618
00:50:43,724 --> 00:50:45,230
cameras as a waste of taxpayer

1619
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:48,623
money, we could use it to

1620
00:50:48,824 --> 00:50:49,924
solve the homelessness v every

1621
00:50:49,924 --> 00:50:50,891
I worked myself, I every time

1622
00:50:50,891 --> 00:50:54,991
I go to class, I see a

1623
00:50:54,991 --> 00:50:56,910
homeless person and it's just

1624
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:57,558
it's not cool to have that

1625
00:50:57,558 --> 00:50:58,224
many as big as big as

1626
00:50:58,224 --> 00:51:00,624
Jacksonville is. We should

1627
00:51:00,657 --> 00:51:01,857
have this many homeless

1628
00:51:01,857 --> 00:51:03,657
people. I also volunteered at

1629
00:51:03,657 --> 00:51:07,257
a food pantry recently and so

1630
00:51:07,491 --> 00:51:10,157
many people have to go and get

1631
00:51:10,157 --> 00:51:14,957
So I think we can also try to

1632
00:51:16,991 --> 00:51:17,658
lower grocery prices. But

1633
00:51:17,658 --> 00:51:20,580
Robert Jeffers followed by

1634
00:51:23,391 --> 00:51:24,125
Andrew Scott.

1635
00:51:24,125 --> 00:51:24,724
>> Good Morning Council. Thank

1636
00:51:24,724 --> 00:51:25,391
you for what you get is

1637
00:51:25,391 --> 00:51:28,391
meeting. My name is Robert

1638
00:51:28,891 --> 00:51:29,792
addresses on file. This MAY be

1639
00:51:29,792 --> 00:51:30,991
the reference to some people

1640
00:51:30,991 --> 00:51:31,658
but many people have gotten up

1641
00:51:31,658 --> 00:51:33,358
here and talk about what to

1642
00:51:33,358 --> 00:51:34,825
say. I can do, right.

1643
00:51:34,825 --> 00:51:37,825
Hollywood has given us the

1644
00:51:37,891 --> 00:51:38,591
script. We know what can do.

1645
00:51:38,591 --> 00:51:42,258
When it when it is not put to

1646
00:51:42,258 --> 00:51:44,424
good use. Hollywood is gave us

1647
00:51:44,424 --> 00:51:45,358
a script. What can happen

1648
00:51:45,358 --> 00:51:46,920
right? And we all know that it

1649
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,692
might be funny to some people,

1650
00:51:49,725 --> 00:51:50,725
but it's not. I haven't taken

1651
00:51:50,725 --> 00:51:51,891
a stance for dance because I

1652
00:51:51,891 --> 00:51:52,992
think there's some very good

1653
00:51:52,992 --> 00:51:53,659
things that can come out of

1654
00:51:53,659 --> 00:51:54,358
flock cameras. I think that

1655
00:51:54,358 --> 00:51:56,292
there's very good things come

1656
00:51:56,292 --> 00:51:56,992
of. And I do believe in that.

1657
00:51:56,992 --> 00:51:59,758
But then whenever it is used

1658
00:51:59,758 --> 00:52:00,792
in a negative light. Problems

1659
00:52:00,792 --> 00:52:02,525
can occur right in the privacy

1660
00:52:02,525 --> 00:52:03,858
of our citizens are at risk

1661
00:52:03,858 --> 00:52:07,920
and it can potentially harm us

1662
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,625
as a society. My problem is,

1663
00:52:08,625 --> 00:52:10,591
is it this is a reaction. All

1664
00:52:10,591 --> 00:52:11,692
right. This meeting is a

1665
00:52:11,692 --> 00:52:13,590
reaction. There's thousands of

1666
00:52:13,590 --> 00:52:15,260
flock cameras or the state of

1667
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:15,725
Florida right? Where was the

1668
00:52:15,725 --> 00:52:16,459
protections at the beginning

1669
00:52:16,459 --> 00:52:18,625
when this stuff started coming

1670
00:52:18,625 --> 00:52:19,459
out to say, hey, we don't want

1671
00:52:19,459 --> 00:52:20,159
that, that our state

1672
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,559
government not come together

1673
00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:24,492
and say, hey. He's going to

1674
00:52:24,492 --> 00:52:25,592
start. He's sort of stalling

1675
00:52:25,592 --> 00:52:27,692
this and what protections are

1676
00:52:27,692 --> 00:52:28,992
going to put before we start

1677
00:52:28,992 --> 00:52:31,859
mass installing these all the

1678
00:52:31,859 --> 00:52:32,892
way across our state. This is

1679
00:52:32,892 --> 00:52:34,726
a very reactive instead

1680
00:52:34,726 --> 00:52:35,692
instead of a proactive staying

1681
00:52:35,692 --> 00:52:36,359
right. So now it's here. Now

1682
00:52:36,359 --> 00:52:37,930
we have to deal with it. So

1683
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:38,792
now we're trying to figure out

1684
00:52:38,792 --> 00:52:39,626
how to deal with it.

1685
00:52:39,626 --> 00:52:40,759
>> So from here on out, I just

1686
00:52:40,759 --> 00:52:41,493
want a statement. Let's be

1687
00:52:41,493 --> 00:52:43,493
proactive. Jacksonville. I'm

1688
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:44,259
tired of being aggressive.

1689
00:52:44,259 --> 00:52:46,426
Okay. We start thinking about

1690
00:52:46,426 --> 00:52:47,392
things in the past and and how

1691
00:52:47,392 --> 00:52:48,693
and how we want to move

1692
00:52:48,693 --> 00:52:51,526
forward. But we can't we can't

1693
00:52:51,526 --> 00:52:53,926
move forward if we're being

1694
00:52:53,926 --> 00:52:54,559
reactive, we need to be

1695
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:55,259
progressive and be on the

1696
00:52:55,259 --> 00:52:57,426
forefront of this. This this

1697
00:52:57,426 --> 00:52:58,393
this this is a terrible it's

1698
00:52:58,393 --> 00:53:01,226
great. We're looking at this

1699
00:53:01,226 --> 00:53:04,920
and put a moratorium in place.

1700
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:04,793
Believe, but we need to be

1701
00:53:04,793 --> 00:53:07,793
progressive and this and not

1702
00:53:07,859 --> 00:53:08,426
reactive. Thank you. And under

1703
00:53:08,426 --> 00:53:10,826
Scott followed by Deo

1704
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:22,260
Cummings.

1705
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:22,760
>> Good Morning. My name is

1706
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,760
Andrew Scott. Why addresses on

1707
00:53:27,427 --> 00:53:28,893
file? I've been software

1708
00:53:28,893 --> 00:53:29,526
developer manager for 15

1709
00:53:29,526 --> 00:53:31,926
years, worked in computer

1710
00:53:34,727 --> 00:53:35,394
vision machine learning. So on

1711
00:53:35,394 --> 00:53:38,394
a little bit familiar with

1712
00:53:38,926 --> 00:53:39,561
this and like this is how you

1713
00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:40,194
could please surveillance

1714
00:53:40,194 --> 00:53:43,194
tape. This is basically a

1715
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,270
package deal. This is the data

1716
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:50,627
set that anyone who wanted to.

1717
00:53:52,693 --> 00:53:54,940
Abuse would dream of. It is.

1718
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:55,760
All the state is on aws.

1719
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,360
Jack's MAY own it, but they

1720
00:54:01,228 --> 00:54:03,394
will not control it. And I

1721
00:54:03,394 --> 00:54:04,360
found online search saying

1722
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,600
that basically jso is extended

1723
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,600
their digger attention for a

1724
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:12,494
year. A year's worth of data.

1725
00:54:12,494 --> 00:54:14,894
Flock since they're coming

1726
00:54:15,194 --> 00:54:15,927
under fire is actually going

1727
00:54:15,927 --> 00:54:17,760
back and recommended 7 days as

1728
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,561
a recommendation. Think about

1729
00:54:19,561 --> 00:54:22,561
what you could do with

1730
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:26,994
everyone's traffic data.

1731
00:54:26,994 --> 00:54:29,394
Correlating that with any

1732
00:54:40,561 --> 00:54:41,628
other data set would. Crazy?

1733
00:54:41,628 --> 00:54:42,362
So yeah, and I didn't even

1734
00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:45,528
know before that that they had

1735
00:54:45,528 --> 00:54:46,694
been given access to Dave The

1736
00:54:46,694 --> 00:54:49,694
in the information. So that's

1737
00:54:50,128 --> 00:54:52,594
another data set. But I just

1738
00:54:52,594 --> 00:54:53,629
I'm really concerned about

1739
00:54:53,629 --> 00:54:54,328
this because their tech

1740
00:54:54,328 --> 00:54:55,928
company, all the protections

1741
00:54:55,928 --> 00:54:56,761
in place, it can still be

1742
00:54:56,761 --> 00:54:59,280
hacked. It will be hacked. It

1743
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,628
will be abused. And the data

1744
00:55:06,428 --> 00:55:07,950
there. And we have no say it.

1745
00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:09,495
Deal. Cummings followed by

1746
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:19,396
John Uni.

1747
00:55:19,396 --> 00:55:20,950
>> And we do have to cut off

1748
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:21,762
more. This is last week on a

1749
00:55:21,762 --> 00:55:22,895
card that hey, we gotta we

1750
00:55:22,895 --> 00:55:23,562
gotta kind of go through

1751
00:55:23,562 --> 00:55:24,262
public comment that I got a

1752
00:55:24,262 --> 00:55:26,290
few more comments. I'm gonna

1753
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:26,729
make me have to adjourn. Go

1754
00:55:26,729 --> 00:55:27,395
ahead, sir. Give 2 minutes.

1755
00:55:27,395 --> 00:55:27,962
All right. Good morning. My

1756
00:55:27,962 --> 00:55:30,362
name is Dale Cummings

1757
00:55:30,962 --> 00:55:32,290
addresses on file. So I think

1758
00:55:32,290 --> 00:55:32,729
there are 2 questions that

1759
00:55:32,729 --> 00:55:35,863
have not yet been answered at

1760
00:55:35,863 --> 00:55:36,162
a very critical that's number

1761
00:55:36,162 --> 00:55:38,162
one.

1762
00:55:38,629 --> 00:55:40,895
>> What is the actual efficacy

1763
00:55:40,895 --> 00:55:41,829
in solving cases, crimes,

1764
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:43,495
etcetera. Number 2, how

1765
00:55:43,495 --> 00:55:44,295
necessary our these devices in

1766
00:55:44,295 --> 00:55:48,163
doing so. So there's not a lot

1767
00:55:48,163 --> 00:55:49,329
of data out there. And earlier

1768
00:55:49,329 --> 00:55:52,129
this month, jso posted on x

1769
00:55:52,129 --> 00:55:54,129
and presumably elsewhere,

1770
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:56,763
number of cases of summer

1771
00:55:56,763 --> 00:55:58,763
criminals somewhere people

1772
00:55:59,962 --> 00:56:00,696
missing so on and so forth of

1773
00:56:00,696 --> 00:56:02,296
cases that were solved through

1774
00:56:02,296 --> 00:56:02,996
the use of help ERs.

1775
00:56:02,996 --> 00:56:04,696
Interesting, but doesn't tell

1776
00:56:04,696 --> 00:56:08,929
me a whole lot. So I did a

1777
00:56:08,929 --> 00:56:11,596
little digging. Turns out in

1778
00:56:11,596 --> 00:56:13,996
2024, in MAY, they actually

1779
00:56:14,563 --> 00:56:15,163
posted jso. Likewise on x and

1780
00:56:15,163 --> 00:56:16,196
other social media of a

1781
00:56:16,196 --> 00:56:19,196
particular case of a shooting

1782
00:56:20,363 --> 00:56:22,463
in the Hogan Creek area where

1783
00:56:22,463 --> 00:56:23,963
there ended up being no, no

1784
00:56:23,963 --> 00:56:24,696
fatalities, no injuries. But

1785
00:56:24,696 --> 00:56:27,630
there was a bullet that into a

1786
00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:29,796
school bus full of children.

1787
00:56:29,796 --> 00:56:31,530
They credited these devices in

1788
00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:32,297
solving the case. And I think

1789
00:56:32,297 --> 00:56:35,297
the problem comes with the

1790
00:56:35,563 --> 00:56:37,163
word solved. So I did a little

1791
00:56:37,163 --> 00:56:38,430
more digging and I went to

1792
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:39,996
that Duval clerk and I started

1793
00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:41,796
digging up because they posted

1794
00:56:41,796 --> 00:56:43,964
the names and I read the

1795
00:56:43,964 --> 00:56:45,970
charging document as it turns

1796
00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:47,897
out all of the information

1797
00:56:47,897 --> 00:56:49,797
that they would have needed to

1798
00:56:49,797 --> 00:56:52,197
arrest the 2 individuals that

1799
00:56:52,596 --> 00:56:54,930
they did came from witnesses.

1800
00:56:54,930 --> 00:56:55,630
Witnesses said this person did

1801
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:56,763
it. This person did it. This

1802
00:56:56,763 --> 00:56:57,563
is what they were wearing.

1803
00:56:57,563 --> 00:56:58,230
This is the vehicle they got

1804
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:59,930
in. This is a location that

1805
00:56:59,930 --> 00:57:02,631
they went to the cameras.

1806
00:57:02,631 --> 00:57:05,310
We're just supplemental. Well,

1807
00:57:05,530 --> 00:57:06,564
there's more to that story

1808
00:57:06,564 --> 00:57:09,197
because I did a little more

1809
00:57:09,197 --> 00:57:09,864
digging and it turns out the 2

1810
00:57:09,864 --> 00:57:12,331
individuals at the time one

1811
00:57:12,331 --> 00:57:13,731
was 23. When was 17, the 17

1812
00:57:13,731 --> 00:57:15,731
year-old unfortunately passed

1813
00:57:17,931 --> 00:57:18,664
away earlier this year.

1814
00:57:18,664 --> 00:57:19,364
Circumstances are unknown, but

1815
00:57:19,364 --> 00:57:20,931
I can only presume if you're

1816
00:57:20,931 --> 00:57:21,830
involved in a shootout when

1817
00:57:21,830 --> 00:57:24,230
you're 17, that doesn't leave

1818
00:57:24,998 --> 00:57:25,897
you a very long life. The

1819
00:57:25,897 --> 00:57:27,598
other individual had their

1820
00:57:27,598 --> 00:57:29,598
charges dropped 2 minutes,

1821
00:57:30,231 --> 00:57:31,997
sir. Yes, thank you so much,

1822
00:57:31,997 --> 00:57:34,997
Jon. Uni followed by. Sean

1823
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:38,131
Costello. Not seeing John. Any

1824
00:57:38,131 --> 00:57:41,131
is John Costello in audience

1825
00:57:44,165 --> 00:57:45,598
for the room. Hello. My name

1826
00:57:45,598 --> 00:57:47,197
is Sean Costello. Mattresses

1827
00:57:47,197 --> 00:57:47,831
on file. I think some of the

1828
00:57:47,831 --> 00:57:49,164
previous speakers are you

1829
00:57:49,164 --> 00:57:50,932
cover this? But just to

1830
00:57:50,932 --> 00:57:53,264
reiterate, there's a flaw

1831
00:57:53,264 --> 00:57:55,398
camera pointed at a community

1832
00:57:55,398 --> 00:57:57,398
pool as a premier apartments.

1833
00:57:57,398 --> 00:57:59,465
And I notice that during this,

1834
00:57:59,465 --> 00:58:02,465
you know, meeting today and

1835
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:03,765
also all of flocks official

1836
00:58:03,765 --> 00:58:05,765
information they're referred

1837
00:58:06,198 --> 00:58:06,898
to as license plate readers.

1838
00:58:06,898 --> 00:58:07,531
So it seems little bit like a

1839
00:58:07,531 --> 00:58:08,198
reflect to me that we're

1840
00:58:08,198 --> 00:58:09,999
calling them license plate

1841
00:58:09,999 --> 00:58:10,732
readers by some of that work

1842
00:58:10,732 --> 00:58:13,699
point. It in a spot where they

1843
00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:14,698
would not be reading any

1844
00:58:14,698 --> 00:58:15,432
license plates. And one of the

1845
00:58:15,432 --> 00:58:18,980
speaker also mention that it's

1846
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:18,765
important that we understand

1847
00:58:18,765 --> 00:58:20,865
how these cameras are being

1848
00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:21,465
used, but also I think it

1849
00:58:21,465 --> 00:58:23,465
support understand what

1850
00:58:24,566 --> 00:58:25,232
they're capable of and again,

1851
00:58:25,232 --> 00:58:26,965
like previous speakers have

1852
00:58:26,965 --> 00:58:29,365
mentioned with ai. With a

1853
00:58:29,365 --> 00:58:31,650
capable of today MAY be

1854
00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:31,899
different. What the people of

1855
00:58:31,899 --> 00:58:34,299
tomorrow. So it's probably

1856
00:58:37,932 --> 00:58:38,632
quite a difficult task to.

1857
00:58:38,632 --> 00:58:39,866
Clear what they're capable I

1858
00:58:39,866 --> 00:58:42,266
think it's really important

1859
00:58:44,132 --> 00:58:46,298
for the council. Thank you.

1860
00:58:46,298 --> 00:58:48,698
Thank you, Nick Harding

1861
00:58:49,432 --> 00:58:53,320
followed by Zeri Davis. On out

1862
00:58:53,366 --> 00:58:54,799
there and overflow court.

1863
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:57,199
Number. You're at 11 30, I'll

1864
00:58:57,532 --> 00:58:58,265
able to extend it You know,

1865
00:58:58,265 --> 00:59:00,660
you know, you are noticed Hill

1866
00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:00,666
30 I apologize that can we

1867
00:59:00,666 --> 00:59:03,666
can. We can only public

1868
00:59:03,866 --> 00:59:05,266
comment and then. And that

1869
00:59:05,266 --> 00:59:08,266
means you are outside of

1870
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,499
public notice. Let's all stick

1871
00:59:10,499 --> 00:59:11,199
around. We are going to we're

1872
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:12,999
going to during this meeting

1873
00:59:12,999 --> 00:59:14,600
will stick around and

1874
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:15,499
>> talk to anyone that has any

1875
00:59:15,499 --> 00:59:18,366
more comments. We had a number

1876
00:59:18,366 --> 00:59:19,266
of comment cards left. I want

1877
00:59:19,266 --> 00:59:21,333
to thank my colleagues for

1878
00:59:21,333 --> 00:59:22,167
being here today. This is

1879
00:59:22,167 --> 00:59:24,000
incredibly important. I do

1880
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,666
intend to continue to move

1881
00:59:24,666 --> 00:59:25,366
forward. I'm very concerned

1882
00:59:25,366 --> 00:59:28,467
about these devices, but I do

1883
00:59:28,467 --> 00:59:29,200
want to make sure that jso is

1884
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,533
a major role to play in making

1885
00:59:31,533 --> 00:59:32,200
sure that they're able to to.

1886
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,533
Continue solve crimes. But

1887
00:59:34,533 --> 00:59:37,901
there is a there's a line to

1888
00:59:37,901 --> 00:59:39,133
beat walked when it comes to

1889
00:59:39,133 --> 00:59:41,133
personal security. Personal

1890
00:59:42,667 --> 00:59:43,400
privacy and law enforcement.

1891
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,133
So there'll be more to come in

1892
00:59:44,133 --> 00:59:47,133
this conversation. I'm here to

1893
00:59:49,434 --> 00:59:51,300
stick around that. Thanks. If

1894
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:52,400
you did not get a chance to

1895
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,834
speak, you can't know you can

1896
00:59:53,834 --> 00:59:55,734
email me directly j Peluso Pl

1897
00:59:55,734 --> 00:59:58,134
It's date on that.

1898
00:59:58,567 --> 00:59:59,233
>> Those comments are you can

1899
00:59:59,233 --> 00:59:59,800
also get one of my cards of

1900
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,800
thank yous meeting's

1901
01:00:14,167 --> 01:00:16,167
adjourned.