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members. Good morning. I'm

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calling together the

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transportation Energy

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Utilities Committee meeting

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for Tuesday, SEPTEMBER. 1st,

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it is now 9 o'clock. We'll

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begin with introductions from

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my left. Steven Levy Council

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research.

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>> Carla Shall Office of

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General Counsel.

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>> And we're Linskey Council

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auditors office. On a holder

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at large one. That college at

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large group for Jacoby Pittman

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District. 10 tomorrow City

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Council district, one. Good

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morning. Jamie Palooza

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District 7. Good morning.

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Well, where is district 11?

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Good morning. Original Geffen

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enjoying a thank you. I'd like

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to welcome our newest member.

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>> COUNCILWOMAN Holder, if

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you. And you know, you have

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the floor, if you want to make

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>> I trust me. I appreciate

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that. Because in this

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environment, some folks like

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that So and we welcome. Let's

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go, buddy,

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>> First item is 2026. There

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were 5. Some of number 2 is

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2026, 0, 6, 27 2026 item

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6, 35 and will begin with item

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number one that's been

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deferred at the request of

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Council member Boylan. Item

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number 2, 2026, 0, 6, 27. Open

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the public hearing. Do we have

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any carts? It's Renee Hunter

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to you. One. Explain what this

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is about. I just want to see

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you walk down here. Good

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morning.

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>> Hunter public works real

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estate divisions. So before

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you for Bill 6.27, is the

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closure of an unimproved

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unopened right of on Gate

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Parkway. The applicant is

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Seminole Timber and they're

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going to be redeveloping. The

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right of way for still would

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Pines Boulevard phase 2. And

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that's pretty much what

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they've paid. The 2009. You

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include your application fee.

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There's been no objections

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from anybody in the city to

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disclosure request. And we're

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going to be reserving an

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easement over the area for And

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I'm here for any questions.

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Any questions of committee?

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Thank you. Ms Hunter,

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appreciate you. Yes,

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>> Close the public hearing.

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Can I get a motion on the

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amendment and then a second.

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Can someone explain the

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amendment?

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>> chair the committee, the

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Amendment corrects the book. A

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page reference and then

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corrects. The Ari number

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listed in the bill.

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>> Thank you so much. Going to

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get a motion on the bill as

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amended already have. Voice

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vote on the amendment. All in

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favor. Any oppose. Now the can

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I get a motion on the bill as

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amended? Thank you. Open your

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ballot.

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>> 7 yeas, 0 nays.

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>> By your action, you've

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approved 2026 0, 6, 27. Item.

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I get a motion Ville? Any

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discussion? Open your ballots?

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>> 7 yeas, 0 nays.

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>> By your actions, approved

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2026, 0, 6.33 Can I get a

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motion? Any discussion? Seeing

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>> By your action, you've

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approved 2026 era 6.33 Item

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number 5 has been deferred at

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the request of the

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Authority j Item number 6 open

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the public twenty-twenty 6, 0,

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No cards, no speakers. Close.

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The public hearing move the

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amendment.

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>> The What is the amendment?

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>> chair the committee, the

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Amendment corrects the council

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district council district 5 in

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which the road renaming is

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taking place. It also cleans

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up the on file as well as

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reflecting that there are only

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5 affected property owners.

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affirmative and for no

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responses on the street street

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renaming.

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>> Thank you. Any discussion

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on the amendment. All in favor

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of the amendment. Any opposed.

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Open your ballots. Record, the

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>> 7 yeas, 0 nays.

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>> By your actions, you've

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approved 2026, 0, 6, 25. Item

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number 7, 2026, 0, 6.44 Has

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been deferred due to a public

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hearing and neighborhoods on

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Reading. And we have any

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public comment. MR. Carr know

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over Oliver, would you please

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come 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

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>> All right. My name is card

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addresses on file. Want to use

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does. This bill that was filed

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by Joe Carlucci 2026 0 6.33

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I'm becoming more. I'm getting

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more comfortable with

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segregation. And when I look

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at the cip. Probably the

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biggest problem is day.

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Everybody's everybody's

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business and look at what's

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happened in this election.

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Especially local. There was

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the lowest black Americans.

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It's on the most. A used a

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show. I know. Has she got

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elected? All I'm rich white

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folks in the sober. I looked

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at the numbers. So here's my

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point. I want to create a

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trust fund for old city limit.

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Black American community. What

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I mean, everybody pays into.

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Over 5 That money and we can

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rebuild own communities

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without Joel getting in

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business. The same reflection

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could happen to the of the

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district. What I am certain

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Laden is a bilateral trade

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agreement and I am new laws

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aimed to 18, 66 civil rights

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act of 81. Of our is sent the

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email. As written. Now. And

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what I want you to do is that

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at The state legislature, it.

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Here local. Because with this

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proposal, what it does is

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keeps everybody happy because

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everybody's really frustrating

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with the city counts. I want

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the biggest one. I'm tired of

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hearing people from district

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complain about poor

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representation. They talk

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about roles not being pay. The

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talking People are saying this

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kind of stuff. And no way to

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fix it is that they pot of

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money. Let's figure out how

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much is going to call The fun

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5 years worth Capital

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Improvement project that that

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money stay in that community.

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And the people all. Everybody

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must stop getting everybody's

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business. Thank you. MISS

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Oliver.

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>> Before we adjourn, I just

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want to make quick comment on

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the previous legislation and

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thank council member Carlucci

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for putting it forward. Don't

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MISS The Haskell for a number

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of years and the work that

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he's done. This communities

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truly remarkable. And so this

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is just good recognition of

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his contribution to our

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community. Go ahead. You.

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There. I wanted. Was in this

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>> As it did in the other

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neighborhoods yesterday. Just

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share that. On Friday this

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Friday. Having 2 meetings

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notice meetings will be in the

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chambers, at least the first

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one will the second maybe in

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one of the other conference

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rooms. Sent out a notice to

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everybody. And the first one

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at 1 o'clock. Is going to be

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on the Affordable housing

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proposal that the mayor had

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included in her budget. When

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she when she handed it off to

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the council. The council cut

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that out of the budget and

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finance. And I would like to

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have a notice meeting on the

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possibility. Placing that back

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in the budget. In the next one

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is on some. Is one Michael be

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here during committee week.

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I'm gonna be. Going up to

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North Carolina desperately

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seeking cooler weather. So I

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won't be here, but it has pot

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passed emergency in council

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but has do with. The Family

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program and it fits. Really

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well and fills a niche the and

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the mayor's programs, the

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journey. I think it is in

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helping parents in and trying

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to work with their children

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that are at high risk. So many

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program. Received a lot of

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funding from the state.

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Receives lot of private

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funding I've been talking to

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these folks for a long time.

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And finally decided see if I

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could. It's going to be with

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funding from this year. It

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won't have any effect the

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budget that we're proposing

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for next year. Of course, the

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affordable housing will and so

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if if after discussion on

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Friday. I think that I would

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probably like to. Support and

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amendment 2. Affordable

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housing dollars and a program

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has proposed back in the

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budget. And I look if this

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councilmember Holder will

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speak to today, I'm sure she

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does. She did in the committee

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yesterday. And I think she

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would like to be really the

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well. There's no sponsor a

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budget amendments, but I think

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they MAY be on a list. The

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budget amendments MAY be on

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the list with people's names

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associated with amendment and

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really should be it really

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should be under her name, not

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mine or if it my most b, a a

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caboose behind hers would be

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happy for that. So I would

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just ask that as many of you

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that can a 10. So that we can

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really understand what that

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affordable housing. Proposal

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is. In the comment has been

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made that well and it only

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help out 800,000 people. So

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why? Why do it? Because it's

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not So help everybody. I

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thought about that comment.

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And I thought about when I was

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a young salesman trying to

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piece together an agency that

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one day we've become quite the

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book of business, which it

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finally has. And we had a

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saying that by the Inc is a

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sense by the artist. Hard. You

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build a book of business. You

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build a city by the end. And

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sooner or later they become

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yards. But if you try to do it

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all at once by the yard and

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that's kind of hard because

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this is a big by the the Apple

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take off. And so I would use

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that comparison so chair, I

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just want to make that

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announcement this Friday. 1

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o'clock for double housing.

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And I think to 30 is the

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family Exchange Club, parent

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Child Assistance Program. And

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I would like to if if you if

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you want recognize all turned.

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Turning back to you, MR. Chair

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and and you can recognize

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Holder Councilmember Holder,

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she would like to speak. Thank

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you. Thank Anybody else for

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that matter. Thank you, MISTER

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Carlucci. Don't see her in the

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Are you?

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>> Go ahead. Councilmember

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Holder.

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>> Through the chair. Thank

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you. Past. PRESIDENT Colleges

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want to echo your sentiments

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about the importance trying to

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get affordable housing back

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into the budget as well as

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programs that our children and

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our families. So look forward

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to our notice. Meeting on

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Friday in moving forward with

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an amendment to the budget

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with you support. Thank you so

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much. Thank you, MR. Mousa.

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>> Thank you. Chair wasn't i

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was going to be on this at

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first, but I'm very grateful

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to 2. And it was council

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member and our most seasoned

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councilmember leading on this

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issue. Housing is obviously

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pretty much the most premier

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problem facing the city at the

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moment. And Unf poll has

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suggested that on I'm gonna go

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a little bit of a step

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further. I'd like to see that

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meeting also evolve into MAY

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be making sure that we as a

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council pushed back on this

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idea of putting things below

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the line. And if we can get

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the affordable housing money

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back in the and the budget, I

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don't like to see psg and csu

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grants moving fully above the

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line. And I would like to see

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if that's something that my

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colleagues will be interested

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in. MR. Carlucci. MR. Chair

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through the chair.

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Councilmember is asking it.

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Those 2 concepts could be

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included into the Affordable

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housing. I'm not sure if we're

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such a on that. And I'm not

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against talking about anything

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in meetings. I like my

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meetings be noticed. You know,

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so that anything can be talked

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about because we so seldom

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have the chance to do so. I

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would say was with some

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caution. Going back to by the

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Inc is a cinch by the art.

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It's hard I'm trying to get

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this Inc of the budget

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restored and I don't not sure

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we will have time or we want

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to take 2 bytes that that

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those 2 under the line things

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because I respect what

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CHAIRMAN Of finances trying to

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do I do want to try to keep

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respect with what the council

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president is trying to do.

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This budget has been a good

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budget process so far. At the

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same time cutting something

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out like affordable housing. I

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think it's worth trying to put

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that back in. So I would like

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to Keep the meeting too. The

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affordable housing agenda. But

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if we get through that in an

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hour and a half, we've got

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time left over. You're welcome

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to bring that up and we can

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talk about a far be it for me

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to ever stifle in a

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conversational city business

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that we haven't any notice

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meeting that I ever have.

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Thank you. Thank you. MISTER

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Carlucci, mist up a one more

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time.

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>> Thank you, chair. And just

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finish. Yeah. I think that the

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main purpose of the meeting

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should be the Affordable

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housing trust. Just want make

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sure we have that opportunity.

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Kind of going to other

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budgetary matters.

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>> If that's something that

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the Dark Tunnel Council

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offices okay with adding that

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to maybe the notice meeting

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and other budgetary matters

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and then perhaps if not, then

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we'll just keep it affordable

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housing. If that's your

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meeting. I see Michelle

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grabbing her microphone. You

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see her. Should start are

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okay. Thank you. Through the

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chair to the committee.

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>> So I just put up that

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meeting. Notice Councilmember

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Carlucci Center out and it

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says it's meeting regarding

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Affordable housing budget

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amendments. They'll need to

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kind of limit discussions to

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that topic and things closely

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related. If you want revise

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meeting notice, perhaps to

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make it a little broader, that

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would be my recommendation. If

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you want to talk about other

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things that are closely

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related.

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>> And Michelle, how many if

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it survives, how many hours

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does that have to be out

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before the meeting occurs? At

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least 72 hours. Course, our

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recommendation 24 hours would

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be the minimum. All right.

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Thank you so much for that

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clarification. Any other

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business to come before this

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committee and the days ahead?

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We're still trying to schedule

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some presentations that a red

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relative to the role in the

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function of transportation

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energy. Tell it easy if

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members of the committee have

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some ideas as to who can make

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it work while presentation

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that would leave us rich with

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information. Help us to be

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make better decisions going

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forward. Please forward your

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suggestions thank you all for

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showing up this morning. Staff

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and committee members. This

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meeting stands adjourned or

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next meeting is SEPTEMBER 15.