1 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:52,660 Service authority, board of directors, September 8th meeting. Mr. Powell. Mr. Wingwright. Mr. Reichner. Here. Mr. Lawson. Mr. Blinden. here and Mrs. Null. Here. 2 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,960 I'll call the continuation of the Jameson County Board as supervises meeting from. 3 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:06,760 Mr. Wingwright. Here. Mr. Null. Here. Mr. Reichner. Here. Mr. Lawson. Here. Mr. Woodrow. Here. Here. Mr. Woodrow. 4 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:16,600 Thank you all for joining us today and I appreciate, I would like to have a very pleased 5 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:21,540 to have a delegate. 6 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:47,150 Thank you. I'm Doug Powell. 7 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:52,430 I am General Manager of the James City Service Authority, and, again, I want to thank you 8 00:08:52,430 --> 00:08:57,750 for your time today, especially on a dreary rainy day, sorry to bring you out on a rainy 9 00:08:57,750 --> 00:09:02,790 day, although I will say that since I have become responsible for a public water system that's 10 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:05,990 reliant on groundwater, I look at rain a lot differently than I used to. 11 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:10,650 So before I begin, I just want to make a couple of quick introductions. 12 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:18,910 With me to my right is Mike Ushok. He is our chief water engineer. Our attorney Andy Dean is out in the hallway. 13 00:09:19,450 --> 00:09:25,650 And behind me is Mr. Preston Bryant. I think you all probably know Mr. Bryant. He's a former secretary of natural resources. 14 00:09:26,590 --> 00:09:35,630 Currently a vice president for government relations with McGuire Woods consulting. And he is represented at J.C.S.A. as our lobbyist for over 10 years now. 15 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:38,950 So he's an important part of our team as well. 16 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:45,270 We wanted to ask you here today because we anticipate that we're issues are going to 17 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:50,710 be a focus of the 2027 General Assembly, especially ground water and especially in the light 18 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:56,470 of the Senate Joint Resolution 25 report that was recently released on ground water, east 19 00:09:56,470 --> 00:09:59,090 of ground water supply, east of Interstate 95. 20 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:04,230 JCASA is the largest public utility in Virginia that's rely solely on ground water. 21 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:10,490 So obviously we are keenly interested in groundwater policy as it can potentially have a significant 22 00:10:10,490 --> 00:10:13,290 impact on JCSA and our customers. 23 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:19,150 The purpose of this presentation is to provide a brief background on JCSA to discuss the 24 00:10:19,150 --> 00:10:23,350 importance of groundwater to James City County and to the JCSA customers. 25 00:10:23,890 --> 00:10:28,450 To highlight our efforts to be good stewards of the resource to outline our options if we 26 00:10:28,450 --> 00:10:30,210 have to reduce our reliance on groundwater. 27 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:35,230 and then finally just to note some of the elements of SJR 25 that are relevant to us. 28 00:10:38,170 --> 00:10:44,190 So, JCSA was founded in 1969 to provide water and wastewater collection services to the county. 29 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:47,070 We provide service in the primary service area. 30 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:53,830 And this is a map of the county and the area that is outlined in red is the PSA. 31 00:10:54,010 --> 00:10:58,170 So you can see it pretty much runs through the center of the county from north to south. 32 00:10:58,170 --> 00:11:02,830 and that's where we try to focus our growth and development. 33 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:09,810 The PSA is about 60 square miles, it serves approximately 80% of the county's population. 34 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:17,130 We have roughly 24,500 water accounts and that comprises roughly 60,000 customers. 35 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:23,330 95% of our customers are residential and residential customers account for about 80% of our 36 00:11:23,330 --> 00:11:29,910 build consumption. So as you can see we're a heavy residential system. I've already mentioned 37 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:33,170 that we're the largest public utility in Virginia that's reliant solely on groundwater. 38 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:38,310 I did want to mention that Newport News Waterworks does provide water to part of the eastern 39 00:11:38,310 --> 00:11:43,250 into the county, including the brewery, Bush Gardens, the Kingsville subdivision, that part of the 40 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:49,390 county. And I also just wanted to note that JCSA used to be a county department and a few years 41 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:53,950 years ago, the Board of Supervisors decided to make it an independent organization. 42 00:11:55,430 --> 00:12:00,010 The Board of Supervisors appoints the Board of Directors to the Service Authority and 43 00:12:00,010 --> 00:12:01,270 they choose to appoint themselves. 44 00:12:02,330 --> 00:12:05,930 So while James City County and the James City Service Authority are legally two separate 45 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:10,050 organizations, there's obviously a very close working relationship between them. 46 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:24,430 Our fiscal year 27 budget is about $30 million for self-sustaining on fees and charges for 47 00:12:24,430 --> 00:12:27,190 that we charge our customers for the services that we provide. 48 00:12:27,370 --> 00:12:29,610 We don't get any contribution from the county general fund 49 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:30,550 or property taxes. 50 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:33,170 We do have a AAA bond rating. 51 00:12:33,310 --> 00:12:35,230 We've been rated by two of the bond rating agencies. 52 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:39,190 And one, we received a AAA and the other AA AA plus. 53 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,940 At this point, I'm going to turn the presentation over to Mr. Yusok, 54 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:46,440 who's going to discuss a few of some of the details 55 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,460 of our water system. 56 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:48,460 Good afternoon. 57 00:12:49,180 --> 00:12:51,800 So the central water system that James C. 58 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:57,380 that Doug mentioned, it served by the five forks treatment plant, that's our largest treatment 59 00:12:57,380 --> 00:13:01,720 plant. It serves about half of our water by milling gallons a day. It's also served 60 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,160 by eight remote well facilities that could provide up to another five milling gallons 61 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:13,320 a day. The five forks plant, it uses deep wells, so they're brackish wells, so it requires 62 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,560 treatment with reverse osmosis. Our other wells are shallow wells, it's fresher water, 63 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:21,720 doesn't require treatment, we do disinfect and add chemical for corrosion. 64 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:28,610 One good thing about our system is we have a lot of facilities, so if we have one facility 65 00:13:28,610 --> 00:13:34,770 fail, we can still provide service, so that's a significant benefit to how our system is 66 00:13:34,770 --> 00:13:41,110 configured, whereas some systems, not to mention any names up to our north, might have one facility 67 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:46,010 if that fails, you've got a quick problem, so we do have a significant amount of redundancy 68 00:13:46,010 --> 00:13:48,710 having a well system with multiple facilities. 69 00:13:50,110 --> 00:13:52,270 We also have six independent systems. 70 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:56,130 Those systems range from 34th customers to 168th customers. 71 00:13:56,610 --> 00:13:58,110 They're just standalone systems. 72 00:13:58,110 --> 00:14:00,790 They have their own permits operate with their own wells. 73 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:03,930 And we also have a contract with Newport News 74 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,170 to purchase two million gallons of day of water. 75 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:09,570 That contract's been in place for probably 25 years or so. 76 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:11,630 Maybe it may be longer. 77 00:14:12,250 --> 00:14:14,570 And to date, we haven't purchased any water 78 00:14:14,570 --> 00:14:18,870 under that contract, but it's worth noting Newport News uses a different treatment technique. 79 00:14:19,470 --> 00:14:23,250 So long-term use of that water would require us to make changes in our system. 80 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:32,960 So currently we have a groundwater withdrawal permit from the DEQ that expires in February 81 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,080 2027. 82 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,780 It was a 10-year permit, DEQ has since gone through 15-year permits. 83 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:46,320 Our current permit allows us to withdraw up to 8.4 million gallons a day on average in 84 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,400 In 2025, we did 5.75 million gallons a day. 85 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:57,480 So we're saying below sort of what we predicted 10 years ago when that permit was issued. 86 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Growth in the system, it's about 340 new water connections a year, been pretty steady, get some 87 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:13,620 little ups and downs, but in general around 340 gallons a minute. And then, although the 88 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:19,980 customer base has grown, our groundwater withdrawals have remained fairly steady. The last few 89 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:26,240 years we've seen a slight uptick in usage, but for the last 10 years it's been relatively 90 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:35,180 So, in terms of our new permit, again, our current permit expires in February 20, 20, 91 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:35,520 27. 92 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,580 We submit it to application in April of 20, 26. 93 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:43,800 It's required that we submit it 270 days prior to expiration. 94 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:51,220 If the permit is an issued by February of 20, 20, 27, it would be administratively extended 95 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:52,460 until the permit is issued. 96 00:15:53,180 --> 00:15:58,860 So there's a chance that it may take a little longer to get the new permit past the expiration date. 97 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:06,660 As I mentioned before, the new permit will be a 15-year term since the EQ changed that, I think, in 2019. 98 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:18,140 And based on our projected growth in water demands, we requested 8 million gallons as part of this permit, which is 400,000 gallons less than our current permit. 99 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:24,000 But, you know, we have to justify the need based on our projected growth and demands and, 100 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,660 you know, we settled on 8 million as the number that would take us through the next 101 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:29,320 permit cycle. 102 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:32,570 All right. 103 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:33,210 Thank you, Mike. 104 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:38,890 I mentioned that we try to be good stewards of the resource, and I wanted to highlight just 105 00:16:38,890 --> 00:16:41,330 a couple of initiatives that we've done to try to do that. 106 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:43,010 What is our rate structure? 107 00:16:43,250 --> 00:16:48,750 We have what's known as an inclining block rate structure, which is divided into four tiers. 108 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:54,730 The less water a customer uses, the lower their rate, and the more water they use, the higher the rate goes. 109 00:16:55,930 --> 00:17:02,930 So typical customer who uses 5,000 gallons a month for domestic purposes only, they have a pretty low bill. 110 00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:06,210 They would have the third lowest combined bill in our region. 111 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:11,330 But if they get into the higher tiers because they're irrigating, then the rates go up pretty high. 112 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:15,490 And obviously that's designed purposely to try to encourage conservation. 113 00:17:15,490 --> 00:17:22,690 We also have an even odd irrigation schedule where customers can irrigate Tuesday, Thursday, 114 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:27,910 Saturday if they have an even number of address and Wednesday, Friday, Sunday if they have 115 00:17:27,910 --> 00:17:31,770 an odd number of address and nobody is allowed to irrigate on Wednesdays. 116 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:36,810 And then third, we have a rebate program that customers can get a rebate for purchasing 117 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:41,170 water smart appliances to replace older, more inefficient appliances. 118 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:48,330 I did want to talk about Senate joint report 25 just briefly. 119 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:54,910 There are several key points that I wanted to highlight. 120 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:57,330 Not going to recap the whole report, obviously. 121 00:18:00,570 --> 00:18:05,330 But there were a couple things that are particularly relevant to JCSA that I just wanted to mention. 122 00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:07,930 And these key points are taken directly from the report. 123 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:14,930 major users of groundwater or industrial at 35%, private domestic at 34%, and the public 124 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:16,790 water supply at 26%. 125 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:22,230 The private domestic use, which is not permitted, but it is lawful, is expected to continue 126 00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:26,690 to increase in major withdrawals, especially those at the paper mills near Franklin and 127 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:30,110 West Point have caused inland groundwater levels to decline below sea level. 128 00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:34,650 And of course, James City County geographically is located between those two paper mill plants. 129 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:38,650 and is therefore affected by those withdrawals. 130 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:42,950 There are several recommendations in the report. 131 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:44,710 I just wanted to highlight these two. 132 00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:48,270 And again, this narrative is taken directly from the report. 133 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:51,550 But one of the recommendations that's relevant to JCSA 134 00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:54,370 is to clearly provide DEQ with authority 135 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:57,210 to deny an application for a groundwater withdrawal permit 136 00:18:57,210 --> 00:18:59,830 or reduce the permitted withdrawal valve volume 137 00:18:59,830 --> 00:19:02,950 or alternative water sources, such as surface water 138 00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:05,190 or water reuse are reasonably available. 139 00:19:05,890 --> 00:19:08,330 So it is unclear at this point how this recommendation 140 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:09,950 would be interpreted or applied, 141 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:12,090 but depending on the specifics, 142 00:19:12,270 --> 00:19:14,730 this could have a significant impact on JCSA. 143 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:17,370 And the other recommendation in the report 144 00:19:17,370 --> 00:19:18,290 that I wanted to highlight 145 00:19:18,290 --> 00:19:19,730 that could have a significant impact 146 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:23,810 is the notion to clarify how a prioritization 147 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:25,390 for human consumption and the goal 148 00:19:25,390 --> 00:19:27,930 of protecting existing uses should be reconciled 149 00:19:27,930 --> 00:19:29,590 and implemented through permanent decisions. 150 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:36,230 This language already exists in DEQ administrative regulations. 151 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:40,090 They've expressed in the past they're not really sure how to operationalize it. 152 00:19:41,090 --> 00:19:51,150 And so through this report, I think they're saying they would like to try to develop some more clarity on how to interpret and apply this idea. 153 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:56,810 This idea obviously would be very important to JCCSA since we are primarily human consumption. 154 00:19:56,810 --> 00:20:02,810 And the notion of protecting existing uses is also of importance to us because we've 155 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:05,330 invested in our groundwater system for over 50 years. 156 00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:09,910 So if we have to abandon some of those investments now, it does create a financial hardship 157 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:11,090 for our customers. 158 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:16,850 Just briefly, I want to talk about a couple of some of the alternatives that would be available 159 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:20,430 to us if we did have to reduce our reliance on groundwater. 160 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:25,070 One is the Swift project, which I'm sure you all are all familiar with. 161 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:27,490 with Swift's Sustainable Water Initiative for tomorrow. 162 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:31,350 It's the initiative from HRSD where they take the waste water 163 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:34,510 and instead of discharging it into the area's waterways, 164 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:36,930 they would treat it to drinking water quality standards 165 00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:38,390 and inject it into the aquifer, 166 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,590 with the idea that there would be more water available 167 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:41,750 for withdrawal. 168 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:46,270 So this is the option that would facilitate 169 00:20:46,270 --> 00:20:47,890 the continued use of groundwater, 170 00:20:47,890 --> 00:20:51,010 which would ultimately be the cheaper option 171 00:20:51,010 --> 00:20:52,590 for JCSA and our customers. 172 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:58,570 The other two alternatives that are available to us are to develop our own surface water system, 173 00:20:58,890 --> 00:21:03,550 which would be very expensive. And then the third option would be to purchase water from Newport 174 00:21:03,550 --> 00:21:08,490 Newswater Works. As Mr. Yusag mentioned, we have an agreement with them currently to purchase 175 00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:15,450 2 million gallons a day. We paid $25 million for that right, but we have not purchased any water from them today. 176 00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:21,210 But the final note there is that developing either a surface water source or purchasing 177 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:26,270 water from Newport means waterworks, either one of those options would result in significant 178 00:21:26,270 --> 00:21:27,810 increase costs for our customers. 179 00:21:29,170 --> 00:21:31,830 All right, and this is my last slide just in conclusion. 180 00:21:32,170 --> 00:21:37,050 I didn't want to just state explicitly, JCSA enjoys a positive relationship with DEQ, and 181 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:42,470 I didn't want anything I say to be interpreted as otherwise, we've had had a very good relationship 182 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:43,570 with them over the years. 183 00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:48,250 Again, we expect war issues to be a focus of the 2027 General Assembly. 184 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:52,470 And, you know, essentially really my closing remark is, 185 00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:55,910 we've just respectfully requested you to keep J.C.S.A. in mind 186 00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:58,850 when considering any legislation related to groundwater, 187 00:21:59,250 --> 00:22:04,310 just given the importance it is to James City County and our citizens. 188 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:08,550 So that concludes my presentation and be happy to answer any questions you might have. 189 00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:11,010 We're using SWIFT now. 190 00:22:11,770 --> 00:22:20,450 No, the first SWIFT injection is scheduled to go online in just another month or two. 191 00:22:20,970 --> 00:22:23,190 It's at their James River plant in Newport News. 192 00:22:23,670 --> 00:22:26,970 But that has not begun yet, but it will be eminently. 193 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:31,990 There was a pilot program. 194 00:22:32,170 --> 00:22:33,190 Yeah, I thought they were in the pilot. 195 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:33,930 Yeah. 196 00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:35,630 About a million gallons today. 197 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:35,990 Okay. 198 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:42,110 Just double checking on the Newport News Water Works, you're currently paying 25 million for their services or you have a contract 199 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:50,590 Should you need the 2 million per get so we pay 25 million dollars to them already for the 2 million purchase 2 million gallons a day and the 200 00:22:50,590 --> 00:22:57,990 The rate at which we the rate at which we would purchase that water was established in that contract. It goes up every year 201 00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:02,530 You know based on inflation and the current rate is a dollar 71 per thousand pounds. Okay 202 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:08,850 Is that agreement said for a certain amount of time or is it just an opportunity? 203 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:17,230 It was a 40-year agreement that continues unless either party wants to discontinue. 204 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:20,110 Okay, so there's no in-term date on that contract, basically. 205 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:25,750 I think there is the possibility that it could expire at a 40-year contract. 206 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:26,330 Okay, gotcha. 207 00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:26,770 Yes. 208 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:27,210 Yeah. 209 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:30,410 It's a contract that exists that's open for negotiation. 210 00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:31,030 Yes, absolutely. 211 00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:36,590 Yes, and then going back to the Swift, you said that's like a million gallons per million. 212 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:42,970 Well, they've been doing HRSD did a pilot project that's been in place for several years now that was a million gallons. 213 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:48,430 Okay, but the plant that is getting ready to come online and report news is, I believe, 10 million gallons. 214 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:55,330 Oh, okay, and then there's another one coming online several years from now that would be even more than that. 215 00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:58,170 Would we be doing down there or is that going to be done? 216 00:24:03,090 --> 00:24:03,770 That's 217 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:12,120 correct. Yes. You know, DEQ has taken in terms of trying to model ground water 218 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:18,640 and future supply. They're taking a wait and see approach to see how this with project. 219 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:25,760 Is it some indication that that is maybe has regional benefits but not or local benefits but not 220 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,900 and the silly regional benefits. 221 00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:30,240 It's a question of how big an impact it will have. 222 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,360 I think there is that question. 223 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:37,220 There is some fairly informative results 224 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:40,260 from when the Franklin Mill went offline. 225 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,000 And the increase in pressure throughout the region, 226 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,700 even as far as here, was actually higher than what was expected. 227 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280 So I'm not a scientist or a geologist. 228 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,680 So it might, I might not be the best person to explain it, but the water travels very 229 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,240 slowly. 230 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:02,780 It's not, it's not the actual water that is the benefit. 231 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,800 The pressure increases pretty dramatically, pretty quickly. 232 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,320 And that is a big benefit to being able to continue to withdraw groundwater. 233 00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:16,020 So it's really the increased pressure regionally that's the big benefit. 234 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,080 So I guess it's the two facilities that draw the vast majority of the water. 235 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:37,540 Is there been any conversations about options like using waste water or pipe water to feed either for both of those plants so that they would not have to do the ground water would that not be a better right economic direction? 236 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Yeah, yeah, I'm not aware that any of those conversations are taking place, but they may they may be and I'm not aware I'm not I'm not really privy to what the paper mill plans are, you know, discussing or reviewing as far as their options. 237 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,340 Could they use that though? Is that something that might be usable? 238 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:58,260 I know Newcastle has a small reclaimed water system. 239 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,880 I think it serves a couple of golf courses and stuff, but. 240 00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:02,120 Yeah, yeah. 241 00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:06,500 Fast is growing, counting the state that you probably start thinking about some other options. 242 00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:10,320 If I have to find the issue with reclaimed water is safe. 243 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,320 You have a treatment plant in Newport News and you have a need in West Point. 244 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:14,620 Now, you got to get the water there. 245 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,600 So if the treatment plant you're at a paper mill is right next to the wastewater plant, 246 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:25,840 It would make a lot more sense, but there's the whole distribution piece of it that often becomes very difficult. 247 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,580 But the question is, I had always asked, and I never got an answer to it. 248 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:37,540 I don't know. Is the feasibility of using basically a surface water from the New York, like for the 249 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,160 salinity effects that the process or what? 250 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,840 But the 251 00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:48,290 fact that the 252 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,800 outsized impact on the residential 253 00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:17,420 for HRSD, I think when all is said and done on those two 254 00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:20,000 plants, they'll probably have about a billion dollars. 255 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:25,230 Recharge HRSD recharge facilities. 256 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:25,610 I 257 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:32,280 think that it says that the priority is supposed to be human 258 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,780 consumption, yet that's the opposite. 259 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:37,920 So the question is that you're asking definitely need to be 260 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,240 asked and answered and some attention. 261 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,020 What is the answer, is it just that these two plants are going to continue to take, yes, 262 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:53,540 and then we're, you know, for us to, what are our options, you know, one option that 263 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:59,200 was discussed years ago was something on maybe the check harmony. That was 250 million at 264 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,060 that point. I can't even imagine what it would be now. 265 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,880 So it's especially if we're not 100% sure 266 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,400 a swift yet, so as you all have this conversation moving forward. 267 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,640 The other thought of like having a conversation with the data center's awardees is like, can 268 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,820 the paper mills have a closed loop system as opposed to, just can, yeah. 269 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,720 Only downside of closed loop systems, they sound great, great for water protection. 270 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,940 The energy is incredibly exasperated. 271 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,960 So now we're trading one concern all for another one. 272 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,440 And so, because I've agreed, like, I've looked in the closed loop for data centers personally, 273 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200 and there's some concerns. 274 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,060 But using untreated ones, we're trying to do like a minute. 275 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:51,940 So that's not SWIP because the SWIP is treated. 276 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:56,040 So that would be a different water system if it was untreated. 277 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:58,640 So it wouldn't be, it's costly to SWIP. 278 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:05,840 But if it had a question with the plant specifically to Jim's point, is there a reason that they're 279 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,240 using what we would consider treatable water for their processes? Like is there something 280 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,720 there's there a concern which I would be a question I'd ask sorry power plant specifically 281 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:22,060 like do you need to use certain types of water? I can't really speak for the paper plants 282 00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:28,640 but I do know they do need a certain water quality for their process and you know but at all 283 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,800 I think what it comes down to for all of us is cost right I mean you know we're surrounded 284 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,680 by three. James City County surrounded by three rivers. We can water supply is not really 285 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:47,380 our issue. The issue is. I think the same is true for the paper mill plants. I mean, the plant 286 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:53,880 at West Point is right on a river. They have that option, but that option is more expensive to them 287 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,060 than what they're currently doing, and which is the same issue we're facing right now. We could raise 288 00:29:59,060 --> 00:29:59,580 Is there rights? 289 00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:12,520 I just find another way to do it. I think it's important to highlight the fact that JCSA has really been working very diligently to make sure we use our similar 290 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:23,370 growing population, the combination of our conservation program 291 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:40,320 to grow at the same time. 292 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,140 It's attributed to that. 293 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:13,640 Years ago when I was on State Water Commission as a citizen rep, one basic conflict issue that is constantly there and never has been resolved is there are inherent 294 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,660 water rights, and there's tremendous part of legal 295 00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:21,160 profession that's involved with water rights. 296 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:23,660 And then that's in conflict with the 297 00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:26,100 essentially, in some places, with the idea that 298 00:31:26,540 --> 00:31:28,480 our priority should be for human consumption. 299 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480 You know, I know we have to have someone for our 300 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,820 industry, but you know, we have plenty of water around, 301 00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:38,920 and there's just a matter of who's going to pay the 302 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,720 higher price, or we're going to share that for return. 303 00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:52,070 So my last thought is, during the general assembly session, if you're considering any legislative proposals come forward, please reach out to us. 304 00:31:52,510 --> 00:32:00,250 If it is easier for you to get in touch with Mr. Bryant, he's there, obviously, we work very closely together, feel free to reach out to him. 305 00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:01,750 That's easier for you. 306 00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:05,130 But we'd be happy to engage with you. 307 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,640 Thank you for your time. 308 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Thank you. 309 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,020 Any other questions? 310 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:11,920 Thank you. 311 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,180 Yes. 312 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,440 John, we go in close. 313 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:14,920 Sorry. 314 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,120 We close the GCSE meeting? 315 00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:18,660 I can. 316 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:19,780 We leave it open. 317 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,020 Thank you. 318 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:21,380 Thank you. 319 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:21,640 We're just thinking. 320 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:24,780 And now, let me, thank you. 321 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,620 I feel like it's downy. 322 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,100 And so, Dougal, for charting us as well today, we appreciate your 323 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,940 attention to the concerns 324 00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:34,380 we have. 325 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,700 But we have developed a legislative program 326 00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:46,120 on the extensive list we've 327 00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:49,570 published. 328 00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:51,390 of waste lists, 329 00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:05,670 very first item. 330 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:32,880 And thank you all for being here today as well. 331 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,500 I issue this past reassessment cycle in particular, 332 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,240 because our praesers and assessors went back 333 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,540 and let a real focus on property. 334 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,820 So we had an overall 12% increase in residential values, 335 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:45,920 but we had a almost 1,000 residents 336 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,480 who had 50, 60, 80, 90% increases in values through. 337 00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:53,260 I believe it's fair market value for their property today 338 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:54,140 through no fall of their own. 339 00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:55,720 We hadn't kept that up over the years. 340 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,820 and so it was a huge increase. I know of one in particular whose value increased 60% went from 341 00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:06,560 700,000 to 1.3 million, hadn't changed in the last two cycles but all of a sudden this year 342 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,080 it's a big shock and so we were trying to look for some language that might help us let the 343 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:17,240 board set some kind of increased cap that would we're moving to fair market value over time but maybe 344 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:22,780 we don't have to do it all in this one cycle. So we had a 12% average increase maybe it's a doubling 345 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:29,040 of that. So over time we get to fair market value but trying to satisfy that or reduce 346 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,040 for that impact on a property owner who hasn't been property assessor or value has gone 347 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,560 up substantially. And when the average goes up substantially the board can make changes 348 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,460 to the tax rate that help all. When you have an average of 12% and somebody has a 60 or 80% increase, 349 00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:48,360 they can't lower the tax rate enough to make it helpful to that person with a 60 or 80%. 350 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:56,700 So that was really the request of number one is trying to work through some method that right now it says we should be a fair market value when we do our reassessments. 351 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:04,720 How does it give the locality some ability to temper that a little bit with the goal of getting everybody to fair market value, but over something. 352 00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:09,210 Anything more on that? I think that's the issue for that. 353 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:14,750 I was going to skip through a couple of these two, three, seven, eight, nine, and ten. 354 00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:21,650 If board members want to come back to them, but two, three, seven, eight, nine, and ten are ones that we have had on our prior legislative agenda. 355 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:27,050 So those were sort of, we'll see every grain, but still important in our board has talked about these individually. 356 00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:32,490 They're going to maybe formally adopt these this afternoon at their business meeting, which is why draft is in the background. 357 00:35:32,490 --> 00:35:35,970 But I think we'll have a finalized copy of that for you later today as well. 358 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:39,930 But when I look at number four, I don't know if the members were going to speak to that. 359 00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:44,190 We were talking about some with Shelvay Prime being one where we had a section of what appears 360 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:48,190 to be a state maintained roadway that all of a sudden when we get looking on issue turns 361 00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:48,970 out not to be. 362 00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:53,310 And so residents have believed that for 30 years, I think BDOT has probably maintained it for 363 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,530 30 years and now there are sort of four or five runs on the road. 364 00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:57,410 Ms. Morrison really. 365 00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:58,170 Yes, Assistant. 366 00:35:58,370 --> 00:36:02,910 So, and I talked to Senator McKinble last year as well, but I do think it's going to take 367 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:25,190 Someone carrying a bill asking for a B dot to take it back because the cost it would be the 2026 27 cost versus what it was whatever happened that it didn't half the street is in half the street is not and so the cost for the citizens that led there the easements that would have to be taken the road improvements. 368 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:33,150 It essentially now is just a road without care because it will not get maintained, it will 369 00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:40,830 not get snow removal, all the things, and by no, none of us were here at the time when 370 00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:45,270 that didn't get picked up, either the developer didn't bottle through or something happened 371 00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:46,250 and the ball got dropped. 372 00:36:46,810 --> 00:36:52,230 So we really just need something that would say, hey, you maintained it all these years, 373 00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:56,970 somebody complained you started looking into it and found out oh it never got put 374 00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:01,690 into the state system and so they dropped it. There was no there was no appeal 375 00:37:01,690 --> 00:37:06,770 process and so if somebody would be willing to put it back just say please 376 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:11,450 take it back. You've done it all these years you've been maintaining it I would 377 00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:15,790 be much appreciated and I can happy to talk to that any of you about that 378 00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:19,750 But that is it and in that show. 379 00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:21,510 This isn't a darkly district, isn't it? 380 00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:21,830 Yeah. 381 00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:22,170 Okay. 382 00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:22,530 Yes. 383 00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:23,610 Thank you. 384 00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:24,790 Number five. 385 00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:27,230 I think really, Ms. Larson might have driven that one too, 386 00:37:27,310 --> 00:37:30,110 with some of these telephone facilities, cable phones. 387 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:31,890 They're in the right of way that get damaged. 388 00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:34,710 And they just sit in us. 389 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:36,250 We talk to the utility companies. 390 00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:37,290 We all have government reps. 391 00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:38,030 They're responsive. 392 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:39,870 But in terms of fixing those things, 393 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:42,870 it is really difficult to get them back 394 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:45,510 to clean up things that are messed up or to beat up to water. 395 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:47,510 And I don't know if there's any way to compel that, 396 00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:50,510 but that's probably an issue across Virginia. 397 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:52,190 It's certainly an issue with our communities. 398 00:37:52,530 --> 00:37:54,970 It was very unsightly. 399 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:56,610 It's just broken wires. 400 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:58,990 And we've had it on our capital trail, 401 00:37:59,270 --> 00:38:01,810 where we've big tourism driver for us. 402 00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:04,490 And it's also dangerous, frankly. 403 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:06,470 Someone were to go off the trail and a bike 404 00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:09,790 and do a broken, for instance, for Ryzen. 405 00:38:09,790 --> 00:38:13,630 and we, I think we went up the chain finally 406 00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:15,250 and we got one or two fixed, 407 00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:17,510 but then you can't get a return call 408 00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:19,850 to get anyone to come out and fix them. 409 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:22,770 The same thing is like things have been damaged 410 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:23,530 like in the storms. 411 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:27,470 No, they've been hit, or something's dropped. 412 00:38:27,830 --> 00:38:29,710 A huge tree limb is dropped on them, 413 00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:34,330 or there's one at Centerville in five 414 00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:38,070 that has been hit probably a hundred times, 415 00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:42,170 but we can't move it somewhere else for whatever reason and I'm not even sure how much 416 00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:47,290 is it awful? Are they not? Are they not? Are they not? We don't know. You don't know. 417 00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:51,850 You don't know the extent of the to get. Maybe a while they're not. We haven't been here. I haven't 418 00:38:51,850 --> 00:38:56,350 where I live too. Constantly has been talking quite a bit about the townhouse complex 419 00:38:56,350 --> 00:39:00,330 that he lives in, where there's a utility box that doesn't appear to be functioning at all, 420 00:39:00,430 --> 00:39:06,270 but it's a Verizon box. Probably was very useful for the landlines that everybody had. Nobody has a 421 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:13,270 And the utility box is still there, and nobody can tell whether it's even awkward, it was 422 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:14,110 even functional. 423 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:20,590 And it's just a matter of saying to these providers, 424 00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:30,220 a big commission of work. 425 00:39:30,340 --> 00:39:30,980 Or take them out. 426 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:31,540 Right. 427 00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:34,260 And then 428 00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:42,420 the last time I think Mr. McLennan, where we had some drums spraying out over the waterway, 429 00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:46,460 is that permissible, you know, some concern related to that? 430 00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:50,500 You know with the face of problems that because we 431 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,480 that we ought to have done 432 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:20,160 the concern that we get 433 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,620 at a state 434 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:10,490 herbicides not pesticides these are these are 435 00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:20,670 like the hydro law 436 00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:26,070 I got that was planted at an invasive species that absolutely is taking over 437 00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:31,810 Contracting these folks to do the spraying is that best one is associations the 438 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,460 only place I've seen where there's yeah 439 00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:44,420 I mean kind of already for it is like at risk with not like I mean 440 00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:49,320 I didn't do the actual spring and your code for 441 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:55,680 I'd grow on stuff, but that was controlled by that power of authority that brings the 442 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,280 loans away. 443 00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:03,740 But on our water waste, Chesapeake does it, for the, Chesapeake city does it for the 444 00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:05,220 whole city. 445 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:13,920 And then Queen's would have to do normal basis, trying to knock out some of the algae and stuff 446 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,090 like that, wherever they call it, but it seems like they've worked just to be paid foundation 447 00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:20,990 and resources protected. 448 00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:29,740 everyone to sign off when it sounds like some HOAs are not going well and I don't think there's any requirement requirement. 449 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,960 The ACMRC is basically saying, well, you know, you've got to just be regular, because you want to go ahead and go, 450 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,120 we don't really have control over the waterways by and large. 451 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,300 And so to say that we should be enforcing it, is it? 452 00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:58,860 one or two, if I could just know, okay, time. 453 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,540 So one, I just would ask that through, you know, 454 00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:05,520 I know that for instance, collective bargaining 455 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,460 is a very hot button in, 456 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,960 but I would hope that we could have, you know, 457 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:12,760 that you all would reach out to us 458 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,780 and talk about the impact on our tax rate. 459 00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:17,220 One thing I think that James City County has done 460 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,080 have worked hard to do. 461 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,960 Thanks, Mr. Stevens leadership is work on compensation. 462 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:30,920 You know, we had quite a large reassessment year a few years ago, and we put the majority 463 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,000 of that money into compensation. 464 00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:38,620 We had done a compensation study, realized we were very hard, far behind. 465 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:46,260 People are not working for government wages that they, like maybe perhaps our mothers and 466 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:46,880 fathers did. 467 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,860 They, you know, they want to be paid a wage that is able to support their families. 468 00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:58,520 And so, we, Mr. Stevens, brought that to us and that is where we worked hard. 469 00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:03,480 We've given off-budget compensation to our firefighters and our police. 470 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:09,320 We very much value our operators, the 911. 471 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:10,820 We value those. 472 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,660 We understand. 473 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,960 We want them to be fairly compensated, but it is going to make a tremendous difference 474 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,680 on our tax rate. 475 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,440 That's just black and white. 476 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,300 And so I would hope that we those are conversations we can have as we realize this is going to come up again. 477 00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:33,100 And so talk to us and talk to us about what that's going to do and what are we doing with compensation. 478 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:39,440 Because this year the school system is also putting through a compensation study. 479 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:48,500 And that is one thing as we worked through our negotiations with the city of Williamsburg. 480 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:54,960 We tried very much to work out a contract where we stated what we would give them as far as the budget 481 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,320 Realizing that they had a compensation study that their teachers are 482 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:29,260 We need to work towards correcting that, but we need to work together before we get something down from Richmond that says you have to pay this, and we need to let you all know how that's going to impact our real estate rate. And I guess for me, too, the land, the property decent state, which I'm sure you all realize that we did have a developer that was interested and they withdrew there. 483 00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:52,260 They withdrew their application for development and I didn't know if you all had any, if you were looking to get involved in that property at all, we do have some nonprofits that are using, we have had some development on that property behind near where new town is, but didn't know if you had any thoughts on that. 484 00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:58,020 And if I could just suggest on that front in particular, one of the challenges that we've 485 00:45:58,020 --> 00:46:04,720 simply based is having the ability to get clear answers from the state agency, but 486 00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:13,130 I would 487 00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:13,750 feel like we have. 488 00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:40,220 And on that point, I will say particular agency is just, 489 00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:50,680 it's not multiple agencies 490 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,580 the one we're trying to do, the cell of the park, trying to get through. 491 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,140 And I would say, you know, 492 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,240 one of the other aspects that you see on this and it is normally part of our agenda is we have 493 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,360 several organizations that you say we like BACO, the ML, 494 00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:13,510 and I want to say that I appreciate 495 00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:14,170 the conversation. 496 00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:28,290 While several 497 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,600 steps to try to address the issues relating, 498 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:44,190 we just want 499 00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:48,750 to emphasize some of the things we've done here recently. We have done, we've approved 500 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:51,230 the redevelopment of 501 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:15,460 units and 502 00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:25,220 number of steps that in combination I think reflect a clear view 503 00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:29,960 that we have a responsibility to encourage opportunities for people to 504 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,570 real challenge and to commute with tirees who have homes that they can 505 00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:47,450 purchase with cash and are just delighted that they can take a state 506 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,460 market 507 00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:53,920 and 508 00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:58,620 come here and 509 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,780 push out the ability of paying 510 00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:18,650 attention to the 511 00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:19,270 We 512 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:43,710 have recently increased the income level for the tax relief for the property tax. 513 00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:48,070 So we are working to realize. 514 00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:48,650 Right. 515 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:51,950 We provide an exemption, not a deferral. 516 00:51:01,370 --> 00:51:02,350 We raise the, and 517 00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:10,760 we intend to raise the, 518 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:15,820 as well, to, 519 00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:28,450 say, property is getting 520 00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,280 back 521 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,980 or what's, we don't know. 522 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,440 We don't know. 523 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,660 We don't know. 524 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:37,940 Yes, the ability to bring it back. 525 00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:40,520 If it would have been denied, it would have been a one year wait. 526 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,620 And so because he withdrew his proposal, he can come back to the table. 527 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,660 He just has to start over. 528 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:49,440 Yeah. 529 00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:51,540 Seriously. 530 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,040 Yeah. 531 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:52,980 Those. 532 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:53,960 Never know. 533 00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:55,520 Never seen him. 534 00:51:56,020 --> 00:51:58,880 Is there any specific organizations that are interested? 535 00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:04,440 And I know Jim actually took me kind of a little tour of the area, but of the state-owned 536 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,100 facility in the eastern state location that is very dilapidated and questionable whether 537 00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:17,060 or not it is even cable being renovated or reused in some form without condominants. 538 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,620 So is there any particular groups that have shown any public interest in that building? 539 00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:24,040 I don't think in the actual building. 540 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:30,640 I think hope village was interested in getting some property, was interested in getting some 541 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:37,060 property with the developer that was working and then of course you have I think you on the 542 00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:42,220 other side we have Colleen you'll be able to help right but so I think a village but it took 543 00:52:42,220 --> 00:52:46,740 around shoulder the three the three story with the windows all beat out I've torn it up and 544 00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:54,900 everything would be nice and you know it's it's it's it's I'd be quite honest with you I don't think it's 545 00:52:54,900 --> 00:53:03,720 for them. The state has a cost involved in tearing down, but it just sits there, and 546 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:10,240 it's like a festering sore. But it's on the land that is being retained by Eastern 547 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:15,740 State. So that's not part of the property that the developer wants to develop. 548 00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:19,280 Right, it's not part of the Rachel's apartment. It's part of it, like, independent, okay. 549 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,520 So that was, you know, and I think it's a pretty massive structure. 550 00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:27,920 It would take a lot of a lot of money and I'm not sure if there are any organizations 551 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,720 that have any interest in it. 552 00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:33,920 It's just that it's something that we look at every day when you drive by on the pew. 553 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,180 Okay, that's probably one of those structures that would be cheaper to go with. 554 00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:42,840 It would be cheaper to go with green, to the small structure. 555 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960 But they're keeping it anyway, right? 556 00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:47,140 Yeah. 557 00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,960 I think we're going to go towards the first rate. 558 00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:54,630 Yeah, that is. 559 00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:58,270 Just a question number three. 560 00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:59,350 What do you think the 561 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:02,580 county is? 562 00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:04,340 $7.7. 563 00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:07,760 Which is about four cents on our tax rate. 564 00:54:07,980 --> 00:54:09,820 Not quite four cents, but very close. 565 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,800 And that's been escalating. 566 00:54:15,610 --> 00:54:18,370 I think it was a couple of years ago. 567 00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:19,250 It was up to $4.8. 568 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:25,850 dollars. The last year was six. More people retiring here, or they have the property rates 569 00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:31,790 going up. I think you're getting more people that qualify and better actually applying. 570 00:54:32,350 --> 00:54:36,710 And right. Yes. The number of people that are qualifying. It's a lot easier to qualify 571 00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:44,410 today than it was. And we have a lot of. So I was looking at the numbers this morning and 572 00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:47,410 and Suffolk and Ola White have almost 1,000% jump. 573 00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:51,110 And that's because they have really started cultivating 574 00:54:51,110 --> 00:54:52,550 the retirement communities. 575 00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:56,030 So yeah, the one that gets wicked 576 00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:58,270 worse than anybody is because on the back, 577 00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:59,810 30 or 40% of their budget. 578 00:55:00,590 --> 00:55:00,710 Yeah. 579 00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:03,850 So this is, you know, yes, for Jameson County 580 00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:05,790 and it's very difficult because of course, 581 00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:09,410 we so appreciate the service that we have veterans here. 582 00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:11,250 I'm sitting at this table. 583 00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:12,730 We so appreciate the service. 584 00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:17,510 So it's very hard, difficult to have that conversation, but it's a very, it's great. 585 00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:21,890 It was a referendum, but then it was like, oh, okay, well, now it's you. 586 00:55:22,650 --> 00:55:28,070 And so if we stand with our big co-brothers and sisters, because this is a huge impact, 587 00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:34,870 seven million, four cents on our tax rate, but as Jim says for a place like the coast, 588 00:55:35,050 --> 00:55:39,530 and, oh, my goodness, so it really needs to happen. 589 00:55:40,210 --> 00:55:45,870 I think you see anywhere up and down the 9564 quarter. 590 00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:47,630 It's pretty substantial. 591 00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:51,470 There's staff for this possibility. 592 00:55:51,850 --> 00:55:53,270 Yeah, there's staff for this really bad. 593 00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:54,750 Yeah, there's staff for 594 00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:01,340 this really bad. 595 00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:02,940 So we're going to number eight. 596 00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:05,640 I think we... 597 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:05,840 Amy. 598 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:06,840 Where are we? 599 00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:07,540 I don't know. 600 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:10,680 Okay. 601 00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:11,480 Do you know? 602 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:12,820 You know. 603 00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:15,280 That's just putting the escalation on one on it. 604 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:16,520 I 605 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,100 can just put something out here, but we're talking about taps. 606 00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:24,220 This is interesting, because I lived in Pennsylvania for a while. 607 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,580 Do you know that they do attacks when you sell your house? 608 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,320 We're selling pace attacks, and the person moving in pays the transfer tax. 609 00:56:32,980 --> 00:56:36,340 It goes to the county, I guess, and part of it to the state. 610 00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:40,420 So that's interesting because we have all these people moving in, and 611 00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:42,340 they're not paying anything upfront. 612 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,260 I mean, they're buying the house at the cost of the house, but 613 00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:49,820 But then the owner also is making money. 614 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,900 If I go to sell my house in Pennsylvania, I had to pay a tax when I saw my plan. 615 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,360 But the people buying it also had to pay a tax. 616 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,760 So it was like two or three percent, but it was substantial. 617 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,560 Something to think about. 618 00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:07,580 I just thank you for everything that you do in your company service. 619 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:08,560 It's much appreciated. 620 00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:12,340 Just hope there can be some conversations during that. 621 00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:25,520 and I know you work 365. I see her every day at the gym and I know that the effort that you all put in every day and I appreciate it very much because we much do the same. 622 00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:27,480 We all appreciate you. 623 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:27,980 Of course. 624 00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:32,220 A lot of work around here as well. 625 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:32,680 Oh yeah. 626 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:33,620 Thank you. 627 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,540 All right. 628 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,160 Of course. 629 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,460 I just had a question for your friend. 630 00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:42,300 No, I was just asking how, like, the preschool buildings, how those are coming along. 631 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,120 They are coming along very well. 632 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:45,980 The 633 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,500 station is the redistricting part. 634 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,800 That's why I asked about the preschool. 635 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:02,400 Yeah. 636 00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:04,460 But with, rather than having a 637 00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:08,310 $38 degree school. 638 00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:40,070 And I know you... 639 00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:57,950 We just sent some tourists over there. 640 00:58:58,250 --> 00:59:01,010 We have a friend that has an Airbnb and we were hanging out with them. 641 00:59:01,070 --> 00:59:02,910 And they're like, everyone to visit or center tomorrow. 642 00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:04,510 I'm like, you've got to stop in. 643 00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:07,250 our sports and events that are quite impressive. 644 00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:13,070 I just want to go with Ruth for the Williamsburg, and you guys were hopping, there was two of 645 00:59:13,070 --> 00:59:16,930 other events like being hosted downstairs or a big sale. 646 00:59:20,330 --> 00:59:24,970 My question is, and I'm genuinely curious, and I would love this information because obviously 647 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:29,470 collective bargaining, I don't think conversation-wise is going away, I don't know what it's going 648 00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:33,250 to look like, or if it's going to look like anything in 27, I'm not the carrier of that bill. 649 00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:36,190 I just, I know that it's still having behind the scenes. 650 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:41,550 What is the, I would really love to know an estimation of what you think as a, as a 651 00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:45,050 locality that I represent what the impact on the tax rate would be directly. 652 00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:50,110 Like if you could give me an estimation based on the language in the bill and the last origin 653 00:59:50,110 --> 00:59:50,490 of it. 654 00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:58,010 It was 26 cents is what we estimated between, between the county and the schools, okay? 655 00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:59,750 It's going to be a 26 cent. 656 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:17,420 In fact, so I don't, we have to look at the language, and then see, but last, when we were calculating it last year, it was 26 cents on our real estate tax. It's got a, like, a breakdown of how you got, came to that number that you could send to me that I just look at. 657 01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:18,620 I'll be happy to send it to all of you. 658 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,900 It's a very high level conversation with MAKO, 659 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,440 and certainly what you'll be able to find is legislation 660 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,440 that is forward and so on and so on and so on and so on. 661 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,880 The only other comment I would make 662 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,600 that in talking, we've had a lot of conversation 663 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,920 in the manager world about it, 664 01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:32,480 listening to some of those that are already there. 665 01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,520 The one downside that I hadn't considered beyond cost 666 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,800 is it starts siloing our employees. 667 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,400 We already do that some with public safety 668 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,260 and everybody else, 669 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,060 but now public safety gets more siloed, 670 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,960 how the works becomes a bargaining unit. 671 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,200 all these different bargaining units get different deals and what I found with some of them I had a 672 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,260 manager say in one community his public works folks did so poorly in their negotiating that he 673 01:00:55,260 --> 01:01:00,420 reopened the contract to get them caught up and so we as an organization try to be cohesive 674 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:05,540 were together he just starts siloing our groups and employees at a separate places and that is 675 01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:11,200 one thing I hadn't thought about the cost that find those parts are real for us but breaking up our 676 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:16,040 employees of their different units that sort of, I don't want to say I, but don't feel 677 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,160 like the part of the organization anymore that that is concerning. 678 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,840 They talked about that of the legislative, my work in Richmond and people were saying, 679 01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:27,420 you know, find out from your county what it's going to cost. 680 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,380 So I did ask Scott to look it up and it was like $400 million correct. 681 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,000 I'll share this with you as well. 682 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:44,240 And it was a substantial, sustained perspective, 26 cents would be approximately a 30 percent increase in our taxes. 683 01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:47,000 What are you sure tax rate now? 684 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,480 80 cents. 685 01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:55,980 Currently. 686 01:01:58,980 --> 01:01:59,320 This year. 687 01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:12,380 What is the 688 01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:16,560 real estate value for residents? 689 01:02:19,570 --> 01:02:20,430 steadily and 690 01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:26,550 I can see people from my own personal experience on that front so yeah 691 01:02:26,550 --> 01:02:30,850 yeah so the market schooling the market schooling and like the prices are not the prices for that 692 01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:34,970 so I think this time last year it was like thank 693 01:02:45,150 --> 01:02:45,910 you very much for the 694 01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:50,410 update thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you I know it's always crazy 695 01:02:52,130 --> 01:02:52,650 this 696 01:02:56,070 --> 01:03:02,250 is much better because by time don't get to that point Richmond so much is already moving 697 01:03:02,250 --> 01:03:10,310 And with the different timeframes of filing now, it's more important to do this earlier. 698 01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:16,350 I really appreciate you guys being here because having this early is really important. 699 01:03:18,220 --> 01:03:20,760 It's an opportunity to get us what's important out there. 700 01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:25,240 And then we can keep coming back and feed more information to our communities as we go. 701 01:03:25,860 --> 01:03:30,700 And I'll try not to, I'll try to sit on my hands at the chamber for this year. 702 01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:32,120 I'll do my best. 703 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,380 You don't need to thank me. 704 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,820 Could we get a phone with you? 705 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:38,360 I don't know. 706 01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:40,140 I'd love to have all of you together. 707 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,440 Yeah. 708 01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:42,780 Can we close the meeting? 709 01:03:43,340 --> 01:03:43,900 Yes, so. 710 01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:45,920 As for motion to adjourn. 711 01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:48,780 So moved. 712 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:49,380 So moved. 713 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:50,280 So moved. 714 01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:52,720 Ms. Wayne Wright. 715 01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:53,100 Hi. 716 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:53,520 Ms. No. 717 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:53,940 Hi. 718 01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:54,600 All right. 719 01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:57,600 We close the james together. 720 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,160 We close the james together. 721 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,300 Is there any service authority? 722 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:03,540 All right. 723 01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:04,280 Chair. 724 01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:04,720 Thank you. 725 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:04,800 All right. 726 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:05,320 Is there anybody? 727 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:08,380 One next to the floor. 728 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,700 Can I come in? 729 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,980 On to our chair. 730 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,920 So, probably we're going.