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we all have to walk down. Here.

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To turn off your house.

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it's it's a county. So we had

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to restart the whole computer.

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But. But look, you don't need

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it. No.

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We've been waiting for

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you. I'm just. I'm joking.

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Okay?

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Yeah, well, let's not look at

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that right now. Let's start

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with what we need.

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Metro tv 30s.

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Good afternoon and welcome to

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the regularly scheduled

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planning and Zoning committee

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meeting. I am Scott Reed, the

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vice chair of the committee.

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Today is Tuesday, JUNE the 2nd.

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And joining me in the chambers,

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we have COUNCILWOMAN Parish

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rights. We have COUNCILWOMAN

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Raymond, we have COUNCILMAN

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Hudson. We have COUNCILWOMAN

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Rudy. We have COUNCILWOMAN

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Jennifer Chappell. And online

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we have Chair Owen. Just a

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little bit of housekeeping. We

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have item number five, which is

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being held at the request of

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the sponsor. And with that in

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mind, we have starting off

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ordinance pending legislation,

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ordinance 0-127-26, an

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ordinance relating to the

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zoning of property located at

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3827 proper level road

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containing approximately 0.22

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acres and being in Louisville

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Metro. Case number 26. Zone

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0025 do have a motion motion.

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Motion seconded. Julia. Oh I'm

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sorry. Disclaimer. This meeting

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is being held pursuant to carry

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61.826 and Council of five a

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reading for. Thank you Cheryl.

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Now to you, Julia. Julia

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Williams Office of Planning. So

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this is 26 zone 0025. This is

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located at 3827 Poplar Level

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Road in Council District ten.

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The existing use is single

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family. The proposed use is

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multifamily. The existing

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zoning is r five in the

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neighborhood Forum district.

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The proposed zoning is r six in

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the neighborhood Forum district.

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The request is for a change in

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zoning from r five residential

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to r six residential. There was

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a waiver and a detailed

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district development plan with

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binding elements associated

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with the site. The site is

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approximately 0.22 acres. It's

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an existing single family

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structure to be converted to a

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duplex with a detached third

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dwelling unit in the rear.

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There's no new construction or

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expansion of the existing

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structures. This is the

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applicant's development plan,

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showing the existing home in

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the front and then the existing

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accessory dwelling unit in the

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rear. This is what the subject

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property looks like along

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Poplar Level Road. The rear of

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the property along Jackson

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Avenue. These are the existing

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dwellings across the front of.

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Along a level road. This is

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facing northwest toward Poplar

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Level Road and Trevilian Way

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and then facing southeast

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towards Pablo Level Road and

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Grenade Avenue. The neighbor.

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The applicant held their

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neighborhood meeting on

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FEBRUARY 25th, 2026. The

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Planning Commission held their

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public hearing on APRIL 23rd,

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2026, where there was a motion

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to recommend approval of the

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change in zoning, passing by a

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vote of 7 to 1. Are there any

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questions? Whose council

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district is this? Oh, I'm sorry,

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would you like to speak to it,

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COUNCILMAN Raymond, please.

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Well, first I wanted to ask if

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if you understood why there was

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a no vote. That commissioner

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did not speak as to why they

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voted no. Yes, I'll speak to it,

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if I MAY. So this is a this is

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a property. It's a five bedroom

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house that was previously

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rented out and that there's not

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the market that there used to

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be for renting five bedroom

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houses. And so the owner of

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this property is converting it

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with only internal renovations.

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rented. So it's essentially a

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duplex. I went to the

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neighborhood meeting. There was

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no objection actually at the

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neighborhood meeting was the

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couple who were the current

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tenants who were supportive of

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this change. So I was actually

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really disappointed by this one

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no vote because it's delayed

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the progress. And it's, it's we

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talk about how things move

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really slowly. This is a very

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simple change that enhances the

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neighborhood and is desired by

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the residents. And it has still

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taken months and months. So I

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ask for your support. Thank you,

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COUNCILMAN Owen. Thank you,

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Vice Chair. Quick, quick

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question. So is my

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understanding. My understanding

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is that this will go from a

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single family with a cup for an

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for an Adu, or was it a and

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then and now it will just be a

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multi-family. And so will this,

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the the Adu will go away and

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there will be three units of

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multifamily rental. Is that my

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is that a correct understanding?

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I don't believe the site had a

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cup for an accessory dwelling

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unit. So it was being rented,

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not as a as a short term rental,

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but as a long term rental.

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Previously the back of the, the

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back unit. It's the I know the

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young man who lives in the back.

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It's the owner's son. And so do

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we know again, I'm I'm I'm, I'm

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a I'm for this. I was just

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trying to get some

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clarification. So so the

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current tenants who now occupy

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the entire house will now

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occupy one floor. The young man

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who lives in the Adu in the

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back will stay there. And then

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a new tenant will move on to

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the second floor. Great. And I

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just wanted to mention that,

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you know, when we do break up a,

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a five bedroom house, for

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example, we do into two units,

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we have created smaller units

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that will be more affordable to,

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to people. And I think that is

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a net positive here. So just

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wanted to highlight that. Thank

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you very much. Thank you. Chair.

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Any other comments? We have

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been joined by COUNCILMAN

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Vachon. Stewart. COUNCILMAN

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Benson, you. Oh, I thought I

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acknowledged you. COUNCILMAN

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Benson is in the chambers as

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well. With that, I think we're

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ready to vote. On. Yes. Thank

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you. Voting's closing. Vice

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Chair Reed, you have eight yes

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votes. Thank you very much.

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This passes and we'll go to new

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business at the next council

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meeting. Next is item number

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0-137-26. An ordinance relating

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to the area wide zoning of

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property located at 1901 r

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Payne Street, containing

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approximately 3.09 acres and

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being in Louisville Metro. Case

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number 26, zone 0030. Do I have

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a motion? Motion and seconded

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chair Owen would like to speak

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to this, I'm sure. Thank you,

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Vice Chair Reed, this is a long

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time coming. I'm excited about

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this. So a couple of things I,

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I want to highlight again here.

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We've talked about this

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previously, but I wanted to say

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that, you know, this I don't

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expect to be precedent. I do

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not think that we as Metro

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government should proactively

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go after properties that are

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historically that are

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grandfathered in as industrial

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zoning and pull the industrial

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zoning designation out from

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under companies who are

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operating in in those locations.

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I think that is bad practice,

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bad business. And I do not

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think that this should set that

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precedent precedent. So I

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wanted to say that, first and

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foremost, in the case of this

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property, the property has had

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multiple explosions over the

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years. At least two of those

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explosions were deadly. And

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frankly, the most recent

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explosion. Is it's a small

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miracle that it wasn't more

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that it didn't take more lives

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than it actually did. When you

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you saw the the huge chunks of

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metal that went flying

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throughout the Clifton

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neighborhood. And so once that

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happened, the mayor came

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forward and, and I was in full

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agreement that this should

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never operate as heavy

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industrial again. And we

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requested that the Planning

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Commission take a look at what

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this might look like to down

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zone it. The recommendation was

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to, to change from m-2, which

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is a heavy industrial zoning

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zoning designation to cm, which

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does allow for some light

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industrial zone, but also

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allows for some housing,

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multifamily housing and some

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other things. So it, it adds

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more flexibility to what the

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property can be used for going

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forward, which I think is a

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good thing and does will make

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it easier for the for the

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company to sell going forward,

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because they'll be more users

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that that could potentially use

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the property as opposed to a, a,

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only a heavy industrial user

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using the property. I wanted to

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acknowledge that Commissioner

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Lannert voted against this at

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the Planning Commission. He was

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the sole no vote at the

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Planning Commission. And I do

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respect Commissioner Lambert's

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expertise as it relates to

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industrial properties. He's. He

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has brokered industrial

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properties in Louisville for

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the past four decades, and he

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suggested that we were reducing

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the value of the property by by,

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by lowering the zoning, lower

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the intensity of zoning from m2

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industrial to cm. Again

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acknowledging his expertise. I

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do have to disagree. In this

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particular case, I think that

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we have at. I think we've, like

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I said previously, we've added

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some value to the property in

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the sense that we have added

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the number of different uses

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that can be used, that can be

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taken advantage of at this site

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going forward, which I think

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adds some value. We have

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allowed some light industrial

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to continue here, which, you

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know, could could obviously

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turn into to future cash flow

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at this site going forward. So

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at the very most, I think we

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have I don't think we have

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reduced the value of this

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property in making this zoning

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change. One other thing and

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then I'll, I'll I'll step back

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here with the Planning

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Commission, sorry, the planning

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staff at Metro Government,

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under the leadership of Brian

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Davis, has reached out to

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Geveden on a handful of

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occasions since this process

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has been in place. What what I

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had requested from the company

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is that they come out and

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explicitly say that they they

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were not against the change in

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the zoning. They did not agree

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to say that explicitly, but at

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the same time, we have given

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them multiple opportunities 4

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or 5 on 4 or 5 different

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occasions to come out and say,

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please don't do this. You are

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really, you know, taking away

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the value of the property by

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doing this. And they have not

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done that either. And I think

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that their silence on that

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should be there's something to

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be said for the fact that they

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did not take the 4 or 5

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opportunities to, to state

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their opposition to this. And

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so I think that's that's

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important. So with all of that

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said, I would really ask for

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your support and hopefully we

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can. The this change in zoning

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will bring closure to the

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neighborhood in a way that I

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think will be incredibly

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healing. So I ask for your

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support and hope to move it

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forward. Thank you. Thank you.

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Chairman. Does anybody have any

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questions? COUNCILMAN Bacon?

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Thank you, Vice Chair Reed. And

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thank you, Chair Owen, for your

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explanation. And and just you

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know, for the record, I want to

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I've I've stated these issues

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before, but I want to state

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them again. And I think I think

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we're opening up a can of worms.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I think I

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think we should allow the

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market to play its role and do

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what it needs to do, and not

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rezone a property outside of

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the scope of allowing the owner

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to go through that zoning

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process like they should. This

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is going to increase the value

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of the property. I can agree

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with you on that. COUNCILMAN

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Owen, and create a new market

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value for this property to be

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sold or redeveloped. I strongly

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believe that we should not be

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doing this for the purpose of

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that. Owner needs to go through

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this process like everybody

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else does. Thank you.

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COUNCILMAN. Any other questions?

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Would you like to respond to

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COUNCILMAN Owen? Okay. Any

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questions? That said, I think

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we're ready to vote. Chair Owen.

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Yes. Thank you. Ordinance

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closing. Vice chair Reed, you

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have five yes votes and three

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no's. Thank you. With that,

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we'll go to new business. I'm

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sorry, old business. In the

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next council meeting. Next is

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item number three, an ordinance

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imposing a temporary moratorium

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on rezoning conditional. And

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this is item number 0-135-26.

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An ordinance imposing a

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temporary moratorium on

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rezoning conditional use

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permits and plan certain

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category two b and three

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development plan applications

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relating to telecommunication

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hotels and data centers pending

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a review and recommended

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changes by the Planning

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Commission. Do I have a motion,

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motion, motion and seconded? I

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think we have COUNCILWOMAN

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Chapel that would like to speak

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to this. Sure. Thank. I used to

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be on planning and zoning, and

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our meetings were much longer.

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Preface. No ai has been used to

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write this plea and all the

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words are my own, as is all of

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my words I've said in this

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chamber thus far. Colleagues,

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we have kicked. This can far

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enough down the road. On

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JANUARY 23rd, the Planning

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Commission was supposed to

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release the recommendations for

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the changes to the Land

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Development Code regarding data

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centers. 130 days have passed

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since that deadline and we are

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without recommendations. Still,

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what's even more puzzling to me

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is that recommendations were

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published online on JANUARY 2nd,

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and they were taken down just

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hours later. It seemed like the

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work was completed. So where

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did it go? And to be clear,

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these are recommendations that

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we're waiting on. It's not

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legislation and its final form.

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They aren't automatic updates

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to our land development code.

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They're recommendations that

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have the opportunity to be

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molded, which will be subject

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to public comment and will be

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under review by this

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legislative body. There's a lot

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of work ahead of us, but we

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can't move forward without the

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foundation of these documents.

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Data centers are a hot button

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issue worldwide, and they're

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certainly one that folks care

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about here since they're in

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their infancy. We don't

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understand a lot of the

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implications of a data center.

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How big of a population does

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one data center serve? How many

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data centers does Louisville

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need to power its population?

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What communities outside of

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Louisville benefit from data

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centers located here? Do those

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communities have buy in?

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Louisville has more water than

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anyone could than we could ever

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need or use is something I've

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heard before. But how much has

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to be used in order for that

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precious finite source to be

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tapped and threatened? Solar

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panel energy advances as

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quickly as televisions do, and

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computers are no longer the

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size, as buildings. Look how

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tiny this one is here. Does

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technology in a data center

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advance as quickly? And are the

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monstrosities that we're

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building now appropriate in 510

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years? I don't know the answers

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to these questions, and I have

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a slew of others that are going

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around in my head, and I doubt

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that anybody else in this room

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has answers to these questions,

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but I'm sure that you have a

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whole lot more. I know that I

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am not willing to let

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Louisville be a guinea pig for

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these data centers. It's

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convenient to rally against a

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moratorium when it's not your

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backyard being threatened. And

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let's be clear I live in a very

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dense urban area, and I doubt

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that a data center would ever

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be coming to my backyard.

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However, that doesn't mean that

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I can't prevent myself from

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fighting for someone that might

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have one in their backyard.

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Beyond that, we all pay a

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monthly L.G.A bill and a bill

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to Louisville Water. We're all

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subjected to the same price

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hikes, including the one that

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msd is proposing right now. So

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if you don't care about the

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deforestation of data centers,

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their light pollution, their

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noise pollution, the creation

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of a brown field, etc. Then

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maybe you will care when your

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water turns brown and your

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electricity bills rival your

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mortgage payment. Maybe these

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are all fears, but they're not

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ones that I want to test. Now

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let me bring address some

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concerns about the moratorium

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that my colleagues have brought

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up. First, there are no data

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centers in the pipeline, so

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this legislation would be moot.

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GOD forbid that Louisville

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metro government takes a

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proactive approach to something.

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Instead of laying in the weeds

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and being reactive to something,

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why are we too afraid to put

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our residents over private

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predatory development? Besides,

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if plans for a new data center

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were to be submitted tomorrow,

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any action by Metro Council

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would take little too late. Let

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00:31:56,936 --> 00:31:58,304
me remind you, we're about to

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go on break for about three

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weeks. It might be too late. A

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moratorium will signal that

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Louisville is closed for

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business. How could we

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insinuate that Louisville is

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closed for business? When one

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Louisville distributed these

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00:32:12,419 --> 00:32:13,986
talking points before Derby,

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00:32:13,986 --> 00:32:16,550
over 2 million packages moved

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00:32:16,550 --> 00:32:18,157
through ups every day, and we

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00:32:18,157 --> 00:32:20,260
just passed Memphis as the

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00:32:20,260 --> 00:32:23,195
largest air cargo hub in North

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America. Louisville saw over $3

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00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:26,433
billion in new capital

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00:32:26,433 --> 00:32:28,635
investment last year, an amount

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00:32:28,635 --> 00:32:31,635
that's on par with Austin,

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Nashville and Raleigh. Ford is

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reinventing the assembly line

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in Louisville and how cars are

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00:32:36,842 --> 00:32:39,790
put together. Ge is building a

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new 800 job, half a billion

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factory, half $1 billion

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factory that will manufacture a

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00:32:44,417 --> 00:32:46,485
washer and dryer units across

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this, an area the size of 33

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football fields, slate auto and

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new Jeff Bezos backed startup

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is building an affordable ev in

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their global customization hub

567
00:32:57,970 --> 00:32:58,497
is right here in Louisville.

568
00:32:58,497 --> 00:33:00,897
Taiwan based Foxconn is

569
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:02,368
investing $173 million into a

570
00:33:02,368 --> 00:33:04,571
new facility that, for the

571
00:33:04,571 --> 00:33:06,472
first time since the 1980s,

572
00:33:06,472 --> 00:33:08,472
manufactured consumer

573
00:33:08,974 --> 00:33:11,974
electronics at scale in America

574
00:33:12,345 --> 00:33:13,747
in downtown, has over two $2.5

575
00:33:13,747 --> 00:33:15,447
billion in development underway.

576
00:33:15,447 --> 00:33:16,815
That includes a 1000 room

577
00:33:16,815 --> 00:33:19,215
convention hotel in Humana's

578
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:22,121
old hq and a new J.W. Marriott

579
00:33:22,121 --> 00:33:25,721
hotel. And our airport is in

580
00:33:25,758 --> 00:33:28,158
the middle of $1 billion

581
00:33:28,695 --> 00:33:30,497
modernization, improving the

582
00:33:30,497 --> 00:33:33,497
experience and the number of

583
00:33:33,733 --> 00:33:34,634
flights. I've also heard the

584
00:33:34,634 --> 00:33:36,350
administration has promised

585
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:38,380
these recommendations in JUNE,

586
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:39,538
and they're actively working on

587
00:33:39,538 --> 00:33:41,938
tightening them up for

588
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:42,608
distribution. These

589
00:33:42,608 --> 00:33:44,244
recommendations are coming to

590
00:33:44,244 --> 00:33:45,946
us from the planning department

591
00:33:45,946 --> 00:33:47,548
via the Planning Commission.

592
00:33:47,548 --> 00:33:48,915
The administration will have

593
00:33:48,915 --> 00:33:51,510
the same opportunity to offer

594
00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:52,852
their feedback, as does Metro

595
00:33:52,852 --> 00:33:56,122
Council and the public. When we

596
00:33:56,122 --> 00:33:57,900
get these distributed. Besides,

597
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:58,525
why should we trust that we're

598
00:33:58,525 --> 00:33:59,759
getting these recommendations

599
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:01,126
when we were told we were

600
00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:04,126
getting them in JANUARY and

601
00:34:05,765 --> 00:34:07,934
then in MAY, and now in JUNE.

602
00:34:07,934 --> 00:34:10,438
And I also hear from my

603
00:34:10,438 --> 00:34:12,838
colleagues, I never support

604
00:34:14,106 --> 00:34:15,575
moratoriums, a moratorium on

605
00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:18,575
moratoriums is a weird flex,

606
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:20,714
but okay, I'm sure that there's

607
00:34:20,714 --> 00:34:21,982
other, more nefarious reasons

608
00:34:21,982 --> 00:34:24,170
that would prevent a council

609
00:34:24,170 --> 00:34:26,190
person from voting in support

610
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:27,120
of this moratorium, since there

611
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,356
are only assumptions, I'm not

612
00:34:29,356 --> 00:34:30,757
going to address them, although

613
00:34:30,757 --> 00:34:32,758
I can assure you that your

614
00:34:32,758 --> 00:34:34,561
voters want this moratorium,

615
00:34:34,561 --> 00:34:36,796
and I promise you that there is

616
00:34:36,796 --> 00:34:40,996
no price worth the sale of your

617
00:34:43,603 --> 00:34:46,603
dignity. I'm wrapping up. So.

618
00:34:46,939 --> 00:34:49,375
You know you're coming, but I'd

619
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:53,346
love to read an email from my

620
00:34:53,346 --> 00:34:55,482
friend David Kaplan. Who or

621
00:34:55,482 --> 00:34:56,549
sorry, David Kaplan, who had

622
00:34:56,549 --> 00:34:57,984
emailed all of the members of

623
00:34:57,984 --> 00:34:59,850
the Planning and Zoning

624
00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:00,487
committee this morning. And I

625
00:35:00,487 --> 00:35:04,870
just want to read this email.

626
00:35:04,858 --> 00:35:06,192
It's fairly short. My friend

627
00:35:06,192 --> 00:35:07,427
Jennifer Chappell asked me to

628
00:35:07,427 --> 00:35:09,195
reach out to seek your yes vote

629
00:35:09,195 --> 00:35:10,830
on a moratorium for data

630
00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:12,899
centers today. These centers

631
00:35:12,899 --> 00:35:14,670
really intrigued me as I own a

632
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:16,360
parcel where one could be built.

633
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,710
If I were to build one, I would

634
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:19,506
wait until best management

635
00:35:19,506 --> 00:35:21,241
practices are adopted regarding

636
00:35:21,241 --> 00:35:23,430
them. As my friend Stuart

637
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:25,211
Benson will tell you, a

638
00:35:25,211 --> 00:35:27,380
machinist or a builder, one

639
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:28,848
needs a blueprint or a diagram

640
00:35:28,848 --> 00:35:30,216
to get the project done

641
00:35:30,216 --> 00:35:31,685
correctly. This is what a

642
00:35:31,685 --> 00:35:32,919
moratorium would provide, and

643
00:35:32,919 --> 00:35:34,921
I'm puzzled at how the Office

644
00:35:34,921 --> 00:35:36,756
of Planning started on this.

645
00:35:36,756 --> 00:35:38,858
Then it suddenly disappeared.

646
00:35:38,858 --> 00:35:41,610
But the Office of Planning has

647
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:42,829
made this common practice. They

648
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:44,298
have studied the Floyds Fork

649
00:35:44,298 --> 00:35:46,801
watershed for decades without a

650
00:35:46,801 --> 00:35:48,268
plan being adopted, not only a

651
00:35:48,268 --> 00:35:49,470
major issue of our tax dollars,

652
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:51,438
but it's worth showing the rest

653
00:35:51,438 --> 00:35:53,641
of the nation that we're not a

654
00:35:53,641 --> 00:35:55,809
smart growth city building

655
00:35:55,809 --> 00:35:57,711
without future generations in

656
00:35:57,711 --> 00:35:59,379
mind. So let's pass this. These

657
00:35:59,379 --> 00:36:01,281
are my own words. Now it's the

658
00:36:01,281 --> 00:36:03,516
end of his email, but I just

659
00:36:03,516 --> 00:36:05,151
want to encourage my colleagues

660
00:36:05,151 --> 00:36:07,687
to vote yes on this so we can

661
00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,522
pass this moratorium, get the

662
00:36:09,522 --> 00:36:10,925
recommendations, have the tough

663
00:36:10,925 --> 00:36:13,925
conversations that we need to

664
00:36:14,194 --> 00:36:15,295
have, and update the ldc

665
00:36:15,295 --> 00:36:18,131
responsibly so we don't sell

666
00:36:18,131 --> 00:36:21,731
out any more of our communities.

667
00:36:22,836 --> 00:36:25,236
Thank you. Thank you,

668
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:28,773
COUNCILMAN Chappell, what is

669
00:36:28,908 --> 00:36:30,410
the length of the moratorium?

670
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:33,913
How long are we or is there a

671
00:36:33,913 --> 00:36:36,850
length 180 days, which would be

672
00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:38,986
six months? Okay. COUNCILMAN

673
00:36:38,986 --> 00:36:41,986
Parrish. Right. Thank you, MR.

674
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:44,125
Chair. I don't I think

675
00:36:44,125 --> 00:36:46,525
COUNCILWOMAN Chappell gave a

676
00:36:46,593 --> 00:36:49,593
great explanation of all of

677
00:36:49,597 --> 00:36:50,932
this. I've. And I've thought

678
00:36:50,932 --> 00:36:53,330
about what I would say because

679
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:54,868
I have pre-typed message that I

680
00:36:54,868 --> 00:36:56,304
wanted to use. But I just want

681
00:36:56,304 --> 00:36:58,872
to say this makes sense. It

682
00:36:58,872 --> 00:37:01,309
gives us an opportunity to be

683
00:37:01,309 --> 00:37:03,543
proactive. This is what our

684
00:37:03,543 --> 00:37:05,345
constituents are asking for. It

685
00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:06,747
is in the backyard of my

686
00:37:06,747 --> 00:37:08,282
district, even though the one

687
00:37:08,282 --> 00:37:09,983
being built is in district one,

688
00:37:09,983 --> 00:37:12,152
I can you can throw a rock over

689
00:37:12,152 --> 00:37:13,887
into district three. I went to

690
00:37:13,887 --> 00:37:16,570
some neighborhood meetings, and

691
00:37:16,570 --> 00:37:17,558
I heard the concerns from

692
00:37:17,558 --> 00:37:18,759
people who are living in those

693
00:37:18,759 --> 00:37:20,460
communities who, who just found

694
00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:22,963
out about it, who are still

695
00:37:22,963 --> 00:37:25,466
trying to understand it. I then

696
00:37:25,466 --> 00:37:28,466
drove and walked the property

697
00:37:28,702 --> 00:37:30,771
with a constituent and it was

698
00:37:30,771 --> 00:37:32,305
huge. And we and I know that

699
00:37:32,305 --> 00:37:34,400
life thrives around water. I

700
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,909
know that we have a good source

701
00:37:35,909 --> 00:37:37,711
of water, but we need to be

702
00:37:37,711 --> 00:37:39,480
able to make decisions that

703
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,648
mean something to our community.

704
00:37:41,648 --> 00:37:42,917
Louisville has never been

705
00:37:42,917 --> 00:37:44,517
closed for business. There's

706
00:37:44,517 --> 00:37:46,653
not a time I've seen Louisville

707
00:37:46,653 --> 00:37:49,222
close for business. So I think

708
00:37:49,222 --> 00:37:51,570
that if that is a concern, that

709
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:53,493
doesn't make sense to me. I

710
00:37:53,493 --> 00:37:55,662
think the email from that

711
00:37:55,662 --> 00:37:57,398
Jennifer read is so important.

712
00:37:57,398 --> 00:37:59,267
This person is saying they have

713
00:37:59,267 --> 00:38:01,102
a parcel that could be

714
00:38:01,102 --> 00:38:03,270
considered for that, but they

715
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:05,106
would not build without having

716
00:38:05,106 --> 00:38:07,940
these regulations in place. And

717
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:09,750
I think that with us going on

718
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:10,944
vacation with all the things

719
00:38:10,944 --> 00:38:12,179
that are going on and how this

720
00:38:12,179 --> 00:38:13,947
first one got in because of it

721
00:38:13,947 --> 00:38:15,148
was already zoned, and it's

722
00:38:15,148 --> 00:38:17,317
already ahead of the the laws

723
00:38:17,317 --> 00:38:19,786
we have. The moratorium makes

724
00:38:19,786 --> 00:38:21,589
sense. That's all we're asking.

725
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:23,490
Let's do something to show the

726
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:25,192
community we're listening.

727
00:38:25,192 --> 00:38:26,993
Let's do something proactive.

728
00:38:26,993 --> 00:38:28,461
Let's work together. This is

729
00:38:28,461 --> 00:38:29,597
not negative. This is not

730
00:38:29,597 --> 00:38:31,665
against business. This is not

731
00:38:31,665 --> 00:38:33,200
us trying to shut down every

732
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,935
developer. This is saying to

733
00:38:34,935 --> 00:38:37,772
the community that we hear you,

734
00:38:37,772 --> 00:38:41,372
we heard you, and we're taking

735
00:38:42,175 --> 00:38:44,575
action. Thank you. COUNCILWOMAN

736
00:38:45,578 --> 00:38:47,914
Freeman. Yes. Is it appropriate

737
00:38:47,914 --> 00:38:48,983
to ask the planning team

738
00:38:48,983 --> 00:38:51,983
questions about the rollout of

739
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,121
the recommendations? I'm sorry.

740
00:38:55,121 --> 00:38:56,157
MAY I ask the planning team

741
00:38:56,157 --> 00:38:57,757
questions about that? Yes, yes,

742
00:38:57,757 --> 00:38:59,260
yes. Could you all explain

743
00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:59,961
better to us and to people

744
00:38:59,961 --> 00:39:00,961
who've been watching but

745
00:39:00,961 --> 00:39:03,396
haven't quite been able to

746
00:39:03,396 --> 00:39:04,798
grasp it like me? Right. What

747
00:39:04,798 --> 00:39:06,534
has been the timeline for the

748
00:39:06,534 --> 00:39:08,135
recommendations? Why the delay

749
00:39:08,135 --> 00:39:09,837
and when can we expect them and

750
00:39:09,837 --> 00:39:11,938
what will they look like? Sure.

751
00:39:11,938 --> 00:39:14,140
Now, so Brian Davis, the Office

752
00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:15,241
of Planning in terms of when

753
00:39:15,241 --> 00:39:16,343
you can expect something, we

754
00:39:16,343 --> 00:39:18,144
are in the process of

755
00:39:18,144 --> 00:39:19,679
finalizing a draft. We hope to

756
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,830
release it next week. So this

757
00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:24,985
has been an this has been an

758
00:39:24,985 --> 00:39:26,253
interesting and challenging

759
00:39:26,253 --> 00:39:27,988
task for us to complete for a

760
00:39:27,988 --> 00:39:30,358
number of reasons and. And

761
00:39:30,358 --> 00:39:31,725
COUNCILWOMAN Chappell, you know,

762
00:39:31,725 --> 00:39:32,892
addressed several of them just

763
00:39:32,892 --> 00:39:34,728
because there isn't a whole lot

764
00:39:34,728 --> 00:39:35,863
of information out there, a lot

765
00:39:35,863 --> 00:39:37,797
of communities are all kind of

766
00:39:37,797 --> 00:39:39,700
in the same spot and that, you

767
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:40,834
know, you have this use that is

768
00:39:40,834 --> 00:39:41,935
a somewhat fairly new use,

769
00:39:41,935 --> 00:39:44,437
especially when you think about

770
00:39:44,437 --> 00:39:45,573
the hyperscale data centers and

771
00:39:45,573 --> 00:39:46,574
people are treating it all

772
00:39:46,574 --> 00:39:47,374
kinds of different ways

773
00:39:47,374 --> 00:39:49,542
depending on how the

774
00:39:49,542 --> 00:39:50,977
regulations are. We reached out

775
00:39:50,977 --> 00:39:53,447
to some of the peer cities that

776
00:39:53,447 --> 00:39:55,116
we speak with. And, you know,

777
00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:56,617
they were treating data centers

778
00:39:56,617 --> 00:39:58,818
anywhere from like an office,

779
00:39:58,818 --> 00:39:59,954
like any other office use to,

780
00:39:59,954 --> 00:40:01,455
you know, some sort of heavy

781
00:40:01,455 --> 00:40:02,623
industrial use. And so, you

782
00:40:02,623 --> 00:40:04,458
know, people are all over the

783
00:40:04,458 --> 00:40:06,159
place in terms of how they're

784
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,194
dealing with those. And it's

785
00:40:08,194 --> 00:40:09,629
been a topic where really,

786
00:40:09,629 --> 00:40:11,232
every week there's new

787
00:40:11,232 --> 00:40:13,670
information out there about,

788
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:14,334
you know, what goes on at the

789
00:40:14,334 --> 00:40:15,360
data centers, how they're

790
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,503
operating, why they're

791
00:40:16,503 --> 00:40:17,571
operating the way they do, and

792
00:40:17,571 --> 00:40:18,706
how communities are dealing

793
00:40:18,706 --> 00:40:19,773
with them. So it's something

794
00:40:19,773 --> 00:40:22,773
that we, we've been watching

795
00:40:22,976 --> 00:40:24,411
and kind of following, you know,

796
00:40:24,411 --> 00:40:25,579
another challenge that that we

797
00:40:25,579 --> 00:40:27,480
were kind of dealing with while

798
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,682
we were in the process of, of,

799
00:40:28,682 --> 00:40:30,517
of, you know, doing all this

800
00:40:30,517 --> 00:40:31,919
research was the state

801
00:40:31,919 --> 00:40:34,454
legislation. And in the session

802
00:40:34,454 --> 00:40:35,923
that we just concluded in APRIL,

803
00:40:35,923 --> 00:40:36,990
there were five different bills

804
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:38,625
that were proposed that were

805
00:40:38,625 --> 00:40:39,826
called an act relating to data

806
00:40:39,826 --> 00:40:41,628
centers. And so, you know, kind

807
00:40:41,628 --> 00:40:42,796
of the thought was like, you

808
00:40:42,796 --> 00:40:44,264
know, before we put anything

809
00:40:44,264 --> 00:40:45,632
out there, before we we do

810
00:40:45,632 --> 00:40:46,833
anything with this draft, let's

811
00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:47,968
watch and see what the state's

812
00:40:47,968 --> 00:40:49,636
going to mandate, because we

813
00:40:49,636 --> 00:40:50,770
didn't want to produce a

814
00:40:50,770 --> 00:40:52,500
product that was going to be,

815
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:53,741
you know, essentially null and

816
00:40:53,741 --> 00:40:54,841
void because of an action that

817
00:40:54,841 --> 00:40:56,643
the state was going to be

818
00:40:56,643 --> 00:40:57,811
taking. Now, none of those

819
00:40:57,811 --> 00:40:59,613
wound up passing. But, you know,

820
00:40:59,613 --> 00:41:00,647
they they were out there. And

821
00:41:00,647 --> 00:41:01,781
if you've watched the

822
00:41:01,781 --> 00:41:03,650
legislature in the last couple

823
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:04,818
of years, you know, you have to

824
00:41:04,818 --> 00:41:05,986
wait until the last two days of

825
00:41:05,986 --> 00:41:07,210
the session for anything,

826
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:08,788
because that's when everything

827
00:41:08,788 --> 00:41:09,956
gets done. So we were watching

828
00:41:09,956 --> 00:41:11,726
that. So as I stated, though,

829
00:41:11,726 --> 00:41:12,793
we are in the process of

830
00:41:12,793 --> 00:41:14,762
finalizing the draft, it'll be

831
00:41:14,762 --> 00:41:15,795
in a form that is, well, it'll,

832
00:41:15,795 --> 00:41:17,632
it'll look like a, like a

833
00:41:17,632 --> 00:41:18,698
strike through of the current

834
00:41:18,698 --> 00:41:19,833
ldc, because that's how we

835
00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:20,834
write the the proposed

836
00:41:20,834 --> 00:41:22,350
amendments when we do it, you

837
00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:23,803
know, basically it's saying,

838
00:41:23,803 --> 00:41:25,640
okay, this is going to be added,

839
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,741
this is going to be subtracted.

840
00:41:27,741 --> 00:41:28,809
And so, you know, we we will be

841
00:41:28,809 --> 00:41:30,744
releasing that document again,

842
00:41:30,744 --> 00:41:32,246
hopefully next week. And, and

843
00:41:32,246 --> 00:41:34,115
then once, once we do release

844
00:41:34,115 --> 00:41:35,215
that, there will be a 30 day

845
00:41:35,215 --> 00:41:36,916
public comment period in which

846
00:41:36,916 --> 00:41:38,218
we take feedback on that. And

847
00:41:38,218 --> 00:41:39,287
then we take that, take the

848
00:41:39,287 --> 00:41:40,320
public feedback into

849
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,822
consideration before we

850
00:41:41,822 --> 00:41:42,857
consider moving it for a public

851
00:41:42,857 --> 00:41:45,257
hearing before the Planning

852
00:41:47,194 --> 00:41:49,996
Commission. Thank you. A quick

853
00:41:49,996 --> 00:41:51,331
follow up. It

854
00:41:51,331 --> 00:41:52,967
coincidence that we're hearing

855
00:41:52,967 --> 00:41:53,967
this moratorium ordinance, and

856
00:41:53,967 --> 00:41:56,103
those are coming next week,

857
00:41:56,103 --> 00:41:57,170
right. Did this force your hand

858
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:58,805
again? We've we've been working

859
00:41:58,805 --> 00:42:00,707
on this, you know, as you all

860
00:42:00,707 --> 00:42:01,942
know, for a while. And so, I

861
00:42:01,942 --> 00:42:03,510
mean, you know, we just for

862
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:04,844
various reasons and obviously,

863
00:42:04,844 --> 00:42:06,579
I, I would not, you know, the

864
00:42:06,579 --> 00:42:08,415
moratorium probably did help to

865
00:42:08,415 --> 00:42:10,250
accelerate things. But, you

866
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:11,685
know, I think in terms of

867
00:42:11,685 --> 00:42:13,860
having a product where, you

868
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:14,655
know, we're addressing some of

869
00:42:14,655 --> 00:42:15,957
the concerns that were that

870
00:42:15,957 --> 00:42:16,791
were brought to us by the

871
00:42:16,791 --> 00:42:18,910
community whenever we were

872
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:19,961
doing our round of public

873
00:42:19,961 --> 00:42:21,295
engagement and, and getting the

874
00:42:21,295 --> 00:42:22,496
feedback and getting all the

875
00:42:22,496 --> 00:42:23,464
information that we've been

876
00:42:23,464 --> 00:42:25,198
gathering. Now, it's taken a

877
00:42:25,198 --> 00:42:27,500
while to put this together.

878
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,337
It's not been an easy thing.

879
00:42:30,337 --> 00:42:31,138
Okay. Thank you. Just one

880
00:42:31,138 --> 00:42:33,206
question for Brian before we

881
00:42:33,206 --> 00:42:35,900
get to COUNCILMAN Chappell.

882
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:36,209
Many of our constituents, many

883
00:42:36,209 --> 00:42:38,278
of my constituents, are asking

884
00:42:38,278 --> 00:42:40,413
the question, how did they get

885
00:42:40,413 --> 00:42:42,582
this last one in under the wire?

886
00:42:42,582 --> 00:42:43,684
What happened? So there's a

887
00:42:43,684 --> 00:42:45,786
classification in the land

888
00:42:45,786 --> 00:42:47,287
Development code that talks

889
00:42:47,287 --> 00:42:48,389
about data hotels. Would you

890
00:42:48,389 --> 00:42:50,859
explain that a little bit,

891
00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:52,660
please? Sure. So under the the

892
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:53,828
current regulations there's a

893
00:42:53,828 --> 00:42:55,895
use in there called

894
00:42:55,895 --> 00:42:57,665
telecommunication hotels, which

895
00:42:57,665 --> 00:42:59,432
it's kind of an antiquated term

896
00:42:59,432 --> 00:43:01,402
now given, you know, where

897
00:43:01,402 --> 00:43:02,602
we're at, but it is a type of

898
00:43:02,602 --> 00:43:04,639
data center. And so based on

899
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:05,972
the information that that, that

900
00:43:05,972 --> 00:43:07,642
we have that's available out

901
00:43:07,642 --> 00:43:09,610
there, then the interpretation

902
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:11,110
was made that data centers fall

903
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:12,813
under that particular type of

904
00:43:12,813 --> 00:43:14,982
use under that category, you

905
00:43:14,982 --> 00:43:17,485
know, similar to that. And so

906
00:43:17,485 --> 00:43:19,719
that that is why the project

907
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,455
that was previously, you know,

908
00:43:21,455 --> 00:43:23,157
proposed on Campground Road, it

909
00:43:23,157 --> 00:43:24,358
was allowed to progress through

910
00:43:24,358 --> 00:43:26,494
the system underneath that,

911
00:43:26,494 --> 00:43:27,895
that interpretation, how many

912
00:43:27,895 --> 00:43:29,596
if you had to guess how many

913
00:43:29,596 --> 00:43:30,798
small data centers do we have

914
00:43:30,798 --> 00:43:32,566
in the city? Depending on what

915
00:43:32,566 --> 00:43:34,468
you read, they say there's as

916
00:43:34,468 --> 00:43:36,269
many as three dozen or so of

917
00:43:36,269 --> 00:43:37,638
the smaller data centers. And I

918
00:43:37,638 --> 00:43:38,772
ink, you know, that they they

919
00:43:38,772 --> 00:43:40,541
operate in all different type

920
00:43:40,541 --> 00:43:41,942
of parts of the community. They

921
00:43:41,942 --> 00:43:43,377
look like normal office

922
00:43:43,377 --> 00:43:44,211
buildings or normal warehouse

923
00:43:44,211 --> 00:43:45,345
buildings. You don't really

924
00:43:45,345 --> 00:43:48,820
know what they are out there

925
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:49,950
right now. The big change in,

926
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:52,190
in, in the use has been just

927
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:53,453
the, the expansion of this into

928
00:43:53,453 --> 00:43:54,555
these hyper hyperscale data

929
00:43:54,555 --> 00:43:55,622
centers that you're seeing

930
00:43:55,622 --> 00:43:57,900
developed in other communities

931
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:58,559
right now. And so that's,

932
00:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,660
that's what is really got the

933
00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:01,127
attention of people is that,

934
00:44:01,127 --> 00:44:02,960
you know, these larger

935
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:03,931
facilities that are taking up

936
00:44:03,931 --> 00:44:06,670
massive pieces of land that you,

937
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:07,535
that, you know, MAY use a lot

938
00:44:07,535 --> 00:44:08,802
of power and water and things

939
00:44:08,802 --> 00:44:10,438
like that for their operations.

940
00:44:10,438 --> 00:44:13,600
So that that's what got people

941
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,241
has gotten people's attention.

942
00:44:14,241 --> 00:44:16,176
And so, you know, that that is

943
00:44:16,176 --> 00:44:18,110
kind of like the, you know, why

944
00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:19,880
you all created a request for

945
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,549
us to research this and kind of

946
00:44:21,549 --> 00:44:23,417
re-explore that so that we can

947
00:44:23,417 --> 00:44:24,418
kind of move away from that

948
00:44:24,418 --> 00:44:26,254
interpretation that we had

949
00:44:26,254 --> 00:44:28,322
before and, and better classify

950
00:44:28,322 --> 00:44:29,689
this new use that's out there.

951
00:44:29,689 --> 00:44:32,890
Okay. Thank you, COUNCILMAN

952
00:44:35,563 --> 00:44:37,664
Chappell. I want to make clear

953
00:44:37,664 --> 00:44:38,699
that I don't have any ill will

954
00:44:38,699 --> 00:44:40,000
towards our planning department.

955
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,403
And I think that you all have

956
00:44:42,403 --> 00:44:43,971
done a lot of work thus far.

957
00:44:43,971 --> 00:44:47,174
And I just feel like your hands

958
00:44:47,174 --> 00:44:48,909
have been tied behind your back.

959
00:44:48,909 --> 00:44:51,479
You didn't tie your own hands,

960
00:44:51,479 --> 00:44:53,581
right. But, you know, there

961
00:44:53,581 --> 00:44:56,150
were public meetings that were

962
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:57,919
held and you all got

963
00:44:57,919 --> 00:44:59,520
information. And I'm looking

964
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,223
forward to what you all put out.

965
00:45:02,223 --> 00:45:04,792
I think it will be thoughtful,

966
00:45:04,792 --> 00:45:07,995
but it leads me to my question.

967
00:45:07,995 --> 00:45:10,498
This five page document that

968
00:45:10,498 --> 00:45:13,498
was published and then taken

969
00:45:14,835 --> 00:45:16,671
down. Who wrote it? Where did

970
00:45:16,671 --> 00:45:19,671
the mistake happen? Was this,

971
00:45:19,874 --> 00:45:22,376
you know, another cities and we

972
00:45:22,376 --> 00:45:23,843
drafted our own, but it went to

973
00:45:23,843 --> 00:45:25,412
an intern and they accidentally

974
00:45:25,412 --> 00:45:26,713
published it on our website. Or

975
00:45:26,713 --> 00:45:28,849
like, how did this happen? No,

976
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:30,718
we created that's kind of like

977
00:45:30,718 --> 00:45:31,986
a first draft, a first run at

978
00:45:31,986 --> 00:45:33,854
what, you know, we some of the

979
00:45:33,854 --> 00:45:34,989
things that we were working on

980
00:45:34,989 --> 00:45:36,570
based on the comments that we

981
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:37,858
had received and we were

982
00:45:37,858 --> 00:45:38,927
planning on having a working

983
00:45:38,927 --> 00:45:39,994
meeting with our, with the

984
00:45:39,994 --> 00:45:41,963
planning committee to kind of

985
00:45:41,963 --> 00:45:43,970
go through that and get some of

986
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:44,999
their feedback so that we could

987
00:45:44,999 --> 00:45:46,200
then go back, you know, the the

988
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,969
agenda was published. Then we

989
00:45:47,969 --> 00:45:49,700
got word that we weren't going

990
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:50,838
to be having the meeting

991
00:45:50,838 --> 00:45:52,400
anymore. So we took the agenda

992
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,908
down. So because we lost, we,

993
00:45:53,908 --> 00:45:55,142
we, we weren't going to have a

994
00:45:55,142 --> 00:45:56,243
quorum at the meeting whenever

995
00:45:56,243 --> 00:45:57,945
we were conducting that. When

996
00:45:57,945 --> 00:45:59,112
was your next meeting? I don't

997
00:45:59,112 --> 00:46:00,848
know when their next meeting

998
00:46:00,848 --> 00:46:02,490
was. I mean, we, you know,

999
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:03,851
after after it was taken down,

1000
00:46:03,851 --> 00:46:05,520
then, you know, then, you know,

1001
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,120
we had spoke with COUNCILMAN

1002
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,989
Winkler and he's like, you know,

1003
00:46:07,989 --> 00:46:09,910
if you all need additional time

1004
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:11,250
to research this, feel free to

1005
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:12,893
do that. And so we just, we,

1006
00:46:12,893 --> 00:46:14,128
you know, we never got to a

1007
00:46:14,128 --> 00:46:15,229
point where we wanted to have

1008
00:46:15,229 --> 00:46:16,864
another working meeting with

1009
00:46:16,864 --> 00:46:18,165
the planning committee to talk

1010
00:46:18,165 --> 00:46:19,967
about this. Is Marcus your boss?

1011
00:46:19,967 --> 00:46:21,802
No, but he was the sponsor.

1012
00:46:21,802 --> 00:46:23,572
Anytime, anytime. There's a

1013
00:46:23,572 --> 00:46:25,339
sponsor for some legislation

1014
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:26,541
that is proposed to us. And we

1015
00:46:26,541 --> 00:46:28,342
we will reach out to them and

1016
00:46:28,342 --> 00:46:29,543
give them updates on what's

1017
00:46:29,543 --> 00:46:31,512
going on with that. And so we,

1018
00:46:31,512 --> 00:46:33,414
you know, he, he knew that that

1019
00:46:33,414 --> 00:46:34,515
we had been doing a lot of

1020
00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:36,484
research and that, you know,

1021
00:46:36,484 --> 00:46:38,352
there was still a lot of things

1022
00:46:38,352 --> 00:46:39,553
coming in. And so we, we had

1023
00:46:39,553 --> 00:46:41,389
reached out to him just to see

1024
00:46:41,389 --> 00:46:42,657
what he, you know, what his

1025
00:46:42,657 --> 00:46:46,257
opinion was on the matter. Sure,

1026
00:46:47,395 --> 00:46:48,629
sure. Yeah. And I just want to

1027
00:46:48,629 --> 00:46:50,265
say, I understand that there

1028
00:46:50,265 --> 00:46:51,799
were things that were hpening

1029
00:46:51,799 --> 00:46:53,834
at the state level regarding

1030
00:46:53,834 --> 00:46:56,834
data centers, and that would

1031
00:47:00,274 --> 00:47:02,176
naturally. Naturally give you

1032
00:47:02,176 --> 00:47:04,645
pause. But I also want to say

1033
00:47:04,645 --> 00:47:07,645
to my colleagues that wouldn't

1034
00:47:07,647 --> 00:47:09,751
have had an impact on whether

1035
00:47:09,751 --> 00:47:11,152
or not we passed a moratorium.

1036
00:47:11,152 --> 00:47:12,553
So if anything, I'd like to

1037
00:47:12,553 --> 00:47:16,153
apologize to the public that we

1038
00:47:18,726 --> 00:47:20,494
have not addressed this sooner.

1039
00:47:20,494 --> 00:47:22,894
COUNCILMAN Hudson, thank you.

1040
00:47:23,765 --> 00:47:26,367
Chair, gen t testimony from

1041
00:47:26,367 --> 00:47:29,967
staff, I'd like to me to

1042
00:47:30,204 --> 00:47:32,604
table, please. Tre is

1043
00:47:33,874 --> 00:47:35,375
motion o the floor. I sry

1044
00:47:35,375 --> 00:47:37,110
Oh, son'm sry Tre

1045
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:38,879
mionn e floor table.

1046
00:47:38,879 --> 00:47:40,880
This is aoice vote. Correct.

1047
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,883
All those in favor say I can, I

1048
00:47:42,883 --> 00:47:47,683
can we can. I would like a roll

1049
00:47:50,191 --> 00:47:53,191
call. Vote please. Skirt. Vice

1050
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:56,163
chair chair chair. Yeah.

1051
00:47:56,163 --> 00:47:58,563
COUNCILMAN Hudson, could could

1052
00:47:58,666 --> 00:48:00,468
I before before you make that

1053
00:48:00,468 --> 00:48:01,869
proposal, can we can I ask a

1054
00:48:01,869 --> 00:48:04,710
question, a follow up question

1055
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:07,309
of Brian Davis. I think it's an

1056
00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:09,111
important clarification before

1057
00:48:09,111 --> 00:48:10,110
we make any motion going

1058
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:11,512
forward. Is that something

1059
00:48:11,512 --> 00:48:12,713
you're willing to allow me to

1060
00:48:12,713 --> 00:48:14,815
do? I think the motion has

1061
00:48:14,815 --> 00:48:17,815
already been made and seconded.

1062
00:48:19,854 --> 00:48:23,225
I'll have to defer to the clerk.

1063
00:48:23,225 --> 00:48:24,559
How will withdraw my motion.

1064
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:25,960
Thank you, chair, Vice Chair

1065
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,795
Reed, can I ask Brian a

1066
00:48:27,795 --> 00:48:29,795
question here? Absolutely.

1067
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,302
Thank you. Brian. So I think

1068
00:48:34,302 --> 00:48:37,902
one of the I think it's

1069
00:48:38,607 --> 00:48:41,207
important to to understand. So

1070
00:48:41,207 --> 00:48:42,945
what would the process be if

1071
00:48:42,945 --> 00:48:44,779
somebody wanted to, to reach

1072
00:48:44,779 --> 00:48:48,316
out to the to metro government

1073
00:48:48,316 --> 00:48:50,652
right now and say, we want to

1074
00:48:50,652 --> 00:48:53,652
create a hyperscale data center

1075
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:56,958
or a data center of significant

1076
00:48:56,958 --> 00:48:58,860
size, what are. And we're still

1077
00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:00,963
kind of, you know, in this kind

1078
00:49:00,963 --> 00:49:05,163
of cat and mouse game of, of,

1079
00:49:05,566 --> 00:49:07,935
do we need to pass a moratorium

1080
00:49:07,935 --> 00:49:09,504
proactively or can we

1081
00:49:09,504 --> 00:49:10,973
effectively do an

1082
00:49:10,973 --> 00:49:12,973
administrative moratorium to

1083
00:49:13,107 --> 00:49:15,420
make sure that we do not have

1084
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:17,111
any more of these, you know,

1085
00:49:17,111 --> 00:49:19,470
come down the pipeline before

1086
00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:20,147
we're ready for it? Can we talk

1087
00:49:20,147 --> 00:49:22,883
about that a little bit?

1088
00:49:22,883 --> 00:49:25,753
Because, I mean, my, my, my

1089
00:49:25,753 --> 00:49:26,855
preference right now, we have

1090
00:49:26,855 --> 00:49:28,223
effectively done an

1091
00:49:28,223 --> 00:49:30,910
administrative moratorium. We

1092
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:31,493
do not have any more of these

1093
00:49:31,493 --> 00:49:34,610
proposed in front of us. And so

1094
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:36,461
since JANUARY, we have

1095
00:49:36,632 --> 00:49:38,320
effectively enacted an

1096
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,320
effective administrative

1097
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:42,838
moratorium. So can you talk to

1098
00:49:42,838 --> 00:49:44,572
us a little bit about what that

1099
00:49:44,572 --> 00:49:45,906
process looks like and whether

1100
00:49:45,906 --> 00:49:47,575
we run the risk of allowing

1101
00:49:47,575 --> 00:49:51,130
another one of these to go

1102
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:53,413
through the pipeline without

1103
00:49:55,316 --> 00:49:57,418
being more proactive about it?

1104
00:49:57,418 --> 00:49:58,786
Yes. I I'm reading the language

1105
00:49:58,786 --> 00:50:01,857
of the moratorium right now to

1106
00:50:01,857 --> 00:50:05,920
see how it's worded. Yeah. So,

1107
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,193
so as well as wording the

1108
00:50:06,193 --> 00:50:07,528
moratorium, you know, if that

1109
00:50:07,528 --> 00:50:09,363
were passed, any applications

1110
00:50:09,363 --> 00:50:10,364
would be would be frozen as is

1111
00:50:10,364 --> 00:50:12,935
unless they have a public

1112
00:50:12,935 --> 00:50:13,936
hearing scheduled, you know,

1113
00:50:13,936 --> 00:50:15,700
administratively. I mean, I

1114
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:16,104
think you're correct. I mean, I

1115
00:50:16,104 --> 00:50:17,940
think there's a lot of

1116
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:19,600
hesitation for anyone to come

1117
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,275
and submit an application for

1118
00:50:20,275 --> 00:50:22,310
any kind of changes related to

1119
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:23,411
that. Middletown did pass a

1120
00:50:23,411 --> 00:50:24,613
moratorium. So if someone were

1121
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:26,414
to come in and ask something

1122
00:50:26,414 --> 00:50:27,682
about a property there, I mean,

1123
00:50:27,682 --> 00:50:28,616
we we would obviously say, well,

1124
00:50:28,616 --> 00:50:29,550
Middletown's past moratorium,

1125
00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:31,950
we're not accepting the

1126
00:50:39,962 --> 00:50:41,395
application. I mean. This

1127
00:50:41,395 --> 00:50:43,230
moratorium sitting in committee,

1128
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:45,399
we table it and it's sitting in

1129
00:50:45,399 --> 00:50:47,668
committee. Could we then pass

1130
00:50:47,668 --> 00:50:49,337
the moratorium like we had

1131
00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:50,705
talked about previously, when

1132
00:50:50,705 --> 00:50:52,574
COUNCILMAN Winkler had had

1133
00:50:52,574 --> 00:50:53,641
brought this to our committee

1134
00:50:53,641 --> 00:50:55,743
previously. And that's what our

1135
00:50:55,743 --> 00:50:57,279
plan was to let it sit in

1136
00:50:57,279 --> 00:50:59,800
committee. And if somebody

1137
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,182
actually filed an application,

1138
00:51:01,182 --> 00:51:02,617
we thought that we could then

1139
00:51:02,617 --> 00:51:03,684
at the next committee meeting,

1140
00:51:03,684 --> 00:51:05,553
planning and zoning committee

1141
00:51:05,553 --> 00:51:07,722
meeting, we could then pass the

1142
00:51:07,722 --> 00:51:08,723
moratorium to to halt any

1143
00:51:08,723 --> 00:51:10,224
future development going

1144
00:51:10,224 --> 00:51:12,294
forward. Would that be an

1145
00:51:12,294 --> 00:51:13,761
effective approach here, or are

1146
00:51:13,761 --> 00:51:15,464
we running the risk that that

1147
00:51:15,464 --> 00:51:17,332
somebody would get in under the

1148
00:51:17,332 --> 00:51:18,667
wire? I mean, I think someone

1149
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:19,934
could they could if they were

1150
00:51:19,934 --> 00:51:22,104
to submit an application, there

1151
00:51:22,104 --> 00:51:25,274
is no way that that we would

1152
00:51:25,274 --> 00:51:26,374
schedule a public hearing

1153
00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:28,476
planning and zoning committee

1154
00:51:28,476 --> 00:51:30,746
here. So I think if you know,

1155
00:51:30,746 --> 00:51:32,480
if if you know, if we this item

1156
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,881
were tabled today and then

1157
00:51:33,881 --> 00:51:34,883
someone submitted a pre app

1158
00:51:34,883 --> 00:51:36,151
tomorrow, they're, they're not

1159
00:51:36,151 --> 00:51:37,885
going to have an opportunity to

1160
00:51:37,885 --> 00:51:39,388
get to a public hearing prior

1161
00:51:39,388 --> 00:51:40,988
to you all being able to take

1162
00:51:40,988 --> 00:51:42,891
action in two weeks on this

1163
00:51:42,891 --> 00:51:44,760
item. So I, I don't think we

1164
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,127
run the risk of, of, you know,

1165
00:51:46,127 --> 00:51:47,929
something coming in and getting

1166
00:51:47,929 --> 00:51:49,731
in under the wire in terms of,

1167
00:51:49,731 --> 00:51:52,668
of scheduling a public hearing,

1168
00:51:52,668 --> 00:51:53,734
as is worded in the proposed

1169
00:51:53,734 --> 00:51:55,203
moratorium. Okay. I think

1170
00:51:55,203 --> 00:51:57,306
that's important because, I

1171
00:51:57,306 --> 00:51:59,941
mean, I do not want another

1172
00:51:59,941 --> 00:52:02,343
data center to move quicker

1173
00:52:02,343 --> 00:52:04,378
than we're able to respond. And

1174
00:52:04,378 --> 00:52:06,315
I I'm not stupid. I understand

1175
00:52:06,315 --> 00:52:08,449
that politically, the right

1176
00:52:08,449 --> 00:52:10,251
thing to do here is to be

1177
00:52:10,251 --> 00:52:11,786
proactive and pass a moratorium.

1178
00:52:11,786 --> 00:52:12,420
But just because it's

1179
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:15,389
politically the right thing to

1180
00:52:15,389 --> 00:52:16,825
do doesn't mean to me that

1181
00:52:16,825 --> 00:52:17,925
we've been effective at

1182
00:52:17,925 --> 00:52:19,427
administratively stopping these.

1183
00:52:19,427 --> 00:52:20,761
And I think we can be

1184
00:52:20,761 --> 00:52:22,163
continuously continue to be

1185
00:52:22,163 --> 00:52:23,264
effectively effective at

1186
00:52:23,264 --> 00:52:25,264
administrating, iteratively

1187
00:52:25,801 --> 00:52:28,200
stopping this. And while it MAY

1188
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,504
not mean anything to some

1189
00:52:30,504 --> 00:52:33,700
people, to me, a moratorium

1190
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:34,875
should be the absolute last

1191
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:36,178
resort. And we have another

1192
00:52:36,178 --> 00:52:38,313
option here, and that is to

1193
00:52:38,313 --> 00:52:40,882
basically sit, have this sit in

1194
00:52:40,882 --> 00:52:42,950
in committee and use it if we

1195
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:44,485
need it. And to me, that's

1196
00:52:44,485 --> 00:52:46,254
another option that we can use

1197
00:52:46,254 --> 00:52:48,156
and a better option than

1198
00:52:48,156 --> 00:52:50,591
actually the last resort, which

1199
00:52:50,591 --> 00:52:53,562
is what is proposed here. So i

1200
00:52:53,562 --> 00:52:55,300
will not because I want another

1201
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,300
data center to move quicker

1202
00:52:58,232 --> 00:52:59,967
than we're able to. I am 100%

1203
00:52:59,967 --> 00:53:02,170
confident that using this

1204
00:53:02,170 --> 00:53:04,500
strategy, we will able to keep

1205
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,875
any data centers from moving

1206
00:53:06,875 --> 00:53:08,976
forward. I will be supporting

1207
00:53:08,976 --> 00:53:10,911
tabling this so we can leave it

1208
00:53:10,911 --> 00:53:12,613
in our back pockets and use it

1209
00:53:12,613 --> 00:53:15,449
when we need it, because I

1210
00:53:15,449 --> 00:53:16,918
again, I believe a moratorium.

1211
00:53:16,918 --> 00:53:18,918
Governments passing moratoriums

1212
00:53:19,421 --> 00:53:22,257
should be used as a absolute

1213
00:53:22,257 --> 00:53:24,726
last resort. Thank you, thank

1214
00:53:24,726 --> 00:53:26,261
you, thank you. CHAIRMAN. I

1215
00:53:26,261 --> 00:53:30,461
think I'd like to get a legal

1216
00:53:30,498 --> 00:53:32,498
interpretation here. Legally.

1217
00:53:33,467 --> 00:53:35,136
Can we stop something if

1218
00:53:35,136 --> 00:53:37,372
somewhere someone were to, you

1219
00:53:37,372 --> 00:53:39,241
know, apply make an application

1220
00:53:39,241 --> 00:53:42,841
for data center and we've got

1221
00:53:43,578 --> 00:53:46,347
this moratorium tabled. Can we

1222
00:53:46,347 --> 00:53:47,815
as a as a body then take a vote

1223
00:53:47,815 --> 00:53:48,884
at the next or an upcoming

1224
00:53:48,884 --> 00:53:51,218
planning and zoning committee

1225
00:53:51,218 --> 00:53:53,221
meeting and effectively impose

1226
00:53:53,221 --> 00:53:55,690
the moratorium in time to stop

1227
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:57,559
it? Travis Feaster, assistant

1228
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,327
county attorney here. So very

1229
00:53:59,327 --> 00:54:00,395
broadly, this is sort of a

1230
00:54:00,395 --> 00:54:01,930
vested rights conversation.

1231
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:03,432
It's part of the reason why we

1232
00:54:03,432 --> 00:54:05,567
draft the moratorium to deal

1233
00:54:05,567 --> 00:54:06,702
with items that have been

1234
00:54:06,702 --> 00:54:08,103
scheduled for a public hearing

1235
00:54:08,103 --> 00:54:09,136
ady. Can can move forward

1236
00:54:09,136 --> 00:54:10,671
somewhere along the process.

1237
00:54:10,671 --> 00:54:11,672
You do have a sort of right,

1238
00:54:11,672 --> 00:54:12,874
your application being heard

1239
00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:14,543
and going through the process.

1240
00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:15,643
And the question is sort of

1241
00:54:15,643 --> 00:54:18,120
where that occurs. There's not

1242
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,147
a hard and fast case or statute

1243
00:54:19,147 --> 00:54:21,116
in Kentucky to determine where

1244
00:54:21,116 --> 00:54:22,840
that is. But based on the case

1245
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,151
law, we think it's

1246
00:54:23,151 --> 00:54:24,353
approximately at that sort of

1247
00:54:24,353 --> 00:54:26,870
public hearing phase where all

1248
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:27,189
the agencies have commented,

1249
00:54:27,189 --> 00:54:28,223
they've gotten all the proper

1250
00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:29,291
stamps and approvals. The only

1251
00:54:29,291 --> 00:54:31,126
thing left is for Metro

1252
00:54:31,126 --> 00:54:32,361
government to hear it. And if

1253
00:54:32,361 --> 00:54:33,294
at that point, Metro government

1254
00:54:33,294 --> 00:54:35,300
says, actually, no, we're not

1255
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:36,265
going to, that's potentially an

1256
00:54:36,265 --> 00:54:37,866
issue. So if it is earlier in

1257
00:54:37,866 --> 00:54:38,667
that process, you know,

1258
00:54:38,667 --> 00:54:39,634
pre-application or an

1259
00:54:39,634 --> 00:54:41,102
application, but still an

1260
00:54:41,102 --> 00:54:42,637
agency reviews those sorts of

1261
00:54:42,637 --> 00:54:43,372
things, that's where we felt

1262
00:54:43,372 --> 00:54:45,274
comfortable. Again, we don't

1263
00:54:45,274 --> 00:54:46,641
have a hard and fast case to

1264
00:54:46,641 --> 00:54:48,410
point to, but it sounds like if

1265
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:49,711
we could catch a case in that

1266
00:54:49,711 --> 00:54:51,346
process, that'd be acceptable.

1267
00:54:51,346 --> 00:54:52,680
On the other hand, if case got

1268
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,715
scheduled before council took

1269
00:54:53,715 --> 00:54:55,550
action, then we would start

1270
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:56,784
having some tough conversations.

1271
00:54:56,784 --> 00:54:57,819
Okay. Thank you, COUNCILMAN

1272
00:54:57,819 --> 00:54:59,421
Parrish. Right. Thank you. MR.

1273
00:54:59,421 --> 00:55:00,889
MR. Chair, point of order,

1274
00:55:00,889 --> 00:55:02,889
COUNCILMAN Hudson. COUNCILMAN

1275
00:55:06,695 --> 00:55:08,664
Hudson, sorry about that. So I

1276
00:55:08,664 --> 00:55:09,865
guess I need to ask the clerk

1277
00:55:09,865 --> 00:55:12,265
for clarification here. I

1278
00:55:30,786 --> 00:55:32,153
withdrew my motion for. O q.

1279
00:55:32,153 --> 00:55:33,589
I'm going to allow COUNCILMAN

1280
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:36,525
Hudson to make his motion to

1281
00:55:36,525 --> 00:55:39,525
table. Move to table, please.

1282
00:55:39,728 --> 00:55:41,530
Second, I have a motion and to

1283
00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:42,831
in a second, I think the

1284
00:55:42,831 --> 00:55:44,660
request was for voice, voice,

1285
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:47,660
vote. I'm sorry. Roll call.

1286
00:55:59,448 --> 00:56:01,848
Vote. Chair. Owen. Yes.

1287
00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:03,118
Voting's closing. Vice-Chair

1288
00:56:03,118 --> 00:56:06,320
read. You have five yes votes

1289
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,520
and three no. Thank you. It has

1290
00:56:10,592 --> 00:56:12,394
been tabled and. So we'll move

1291
00:56:12,394 --> 00:56:16,594
on to the next item, which is

1292
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:18,100
item number 40-138-26. An

1293
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:19,301
ordinance relating to the

1294
00:56:19,301 --> 00:56:21,301
detailed district development

1295
00:56:21,804 --> 00:56:24,804
plan for properties located at

1296
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,208
9718 Dixie highway and 5308

1297
00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:27,576
Citation Road containing

1298
00:56:27,576 --> 00:56:29,110
approximately 2.7 acres and

1299
00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:32,110
being in Louisville Metro. Case

1300
00:56:32,481 --> 00:56:36,810
number 25ddp0085. Do I have a

1301
00:56:37,186 --> 00:56:39,586
motion? Motion. Motion seconded.

1302
00:56:39,922 --> 00:56:42,322
Julia. Julia Williams, Office

1303
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,600
of Planning. This is 25ddp0085

1304
00:56:47,697 --> 00:56:49,932
for chick fil a. This is

1305
00:56:49,932 --> 00:56:52,332
located at 9718 Dixie highway

1306
00:56:56,271 --> 00:56:58,307
in Council District 14. The

1307
00:56:58,307 --> 00:56:59,942
existing use is institutional

1308
00:56:59,942 --> 00:57:02,942
with a proposed use of

1309
00:57:03,846 --> 00:57:06,246
commercial. The property is

1310
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:09,851
zoned c two. The request for

1311
00:57:09,851 --> 00:57:11,286
revised detailed district

1312
00:57:11,286 --> 00:57:13,686
development plan with binding

1313
00:57:14,957 --> 00:57:16,526
elements. The property is zoned

1314
00:57:16,526 --> 00:57:17,492
c two and the neighborhood

1315
00:57:17,492 --> 00:57:18,894
forum district. They're

1316
00:57:18,894 --> 00:57:20,629
proposing a restaurant, and

1317
00:57:20,629 --> 00:57:22,665
they're also proposing Fiesta

1318
00:57:22,665 --> 00:57:26,134
Way to be extended to connect

1319
00:57:26,134 --> 00:57:27,337
to Citation Road. This is the

1320
00:57:27,337 --> 00:57:29,337
applicant's development plan

1321
00:57:29,338 --> 00:57:31,730
where you can see Fiesta Way

1322
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:32,809
connecting to citation, and

1323
00:57:32,809 --> 00:57:35,809
then the location of the

1324
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,450
restaurant. So this is the

1325
00:57:37,450 --> 00:57:39,445
subject property view from

1326
00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:41,851
Dixie highway. Adjacent

1327
00:57:41,851 --> 00:57:43,851
property. The residential

1328
00:57:46,555 --> 00:57:47,656
located along Citation Road.

1329
00:57:47,656 --> 00:57:50,560
Residential. View from Fiesta

1330
00:57:51,994 --> 00:57:54,394
Way. Residential. View from

1331
00:57:55,932 --> 00:57:58,332
Bella Vista. Commercial view

1332
00:57:59,935 --> 00:58:01,370
across Dixie highway. So the

1333
00:58:01,370 --> 00:58:03,138
Planning Commission held their

1334
00:58:03,138 --> 00:58:04,306
public hearing on APRIL 2nd,

1335
00:58:04,306 --> 00:58:05,708
2026, where there was a motion

1336
00:58:05,708 --> 00:58:07,142
to recommend approval of the

1337
00:58:07,142 --> 00:58:09,311
development plan, passing by a

1338
00:58:09,311 --> 00:58:12,911
vote of 8 to 0. Are there any

1339
00:58:14,717 --> 00:58:16,717
questions? Councilmember Sean?

1340
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,288
Thank you, COUNCILMAN Read. I

1341
00:58:19,288 --> 00:58:21,890
don't really have any questions.

1342
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:22,991
I would like to just make a few

1343
00:58:22,991 --> 00:58:24,693
comments, I guess, on behalf of

1344
00:58:24,693 --> 00:58:27,693
district 14 in support of this

1345
00:58:28,731 --> 00:58:29,866
development, the the developer

1346
00:58:29,866 --> 00:58:33,466
or the the restaurant that is

1347
00:58:33,769 --> 00:58:36,305
coming in is a well, well

1348
00:58:36,305 --> 00:58:38,106
established brand that the

1349
00:58:38,106 --> 00:58:40,506
community is has written

1350
00:58:41,377 --> 00:58:43,680
letters of support rather than

1351
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,648
letters of opposition with. I

1352
00:58:45,648 --> 00:58:47,817
think 31 was the number to be

1353
00:58:47,817 --> 00:58:48,850
exact. I look forward to our

1354
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:50,850
colleagues supporting this

1355
00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:52,454
development on Dixie highway as

1356
00:58:52,454 --> 00:58:53,755
it continues to grow and the

1357
00:58:53,755 --> 00:58:56,755
momentum is moving forward in

1358
00:58:57,426 --> 00:58:59,629
the right direction. Thank you.

1359
00:58:59,629 --> 00:59:03,229
What was the commission vote on

1360
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,334
this 8 to 0. Travis, is this

1361
00:59:05,334 --> 00:59:06,436
another one of those situations

1362
00:59:06,436 --> 00:59:08,337
where this actually come to us

1363
00:59:08,337 --> 00:59:09,439
for a vote since it passed

1364
00:59:09,439 --> 00:59:10,505
unanimously? This is Laura

1365
00:59:10,505 --> 00:59:11,873
Ferguson, assistant county

1366
00:59:11,873 --> 00:59:13,643
attorney. This is a development

1367
00:59:13,643 --> 00:59:15,143
plan that had the council

1368
00:59:15,143 --> 00:59:16,979
review binding element, if I

1369
00:59:16,979 --> 00:59:18,979
remember correctly. Understand?

1370
00:59:23,453 --> 00:59:25,320
Cool. COUNCILWOMAN Marie. Thank

1371
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,123
you. I read comments that came

1372
00:59:27,123 --> 00:59:28,857
in people very much in support

1373
00:59:28,857 --> 00:59:32,461
of the chick fil a, but they

1374
00:59:32,461 --> 00:59:34,896
were concerned about the exit

1375
00:59:34,896 --> 00:59:37,467
removing the dead end on Fiesta

1376
00:59:37,467 --> 00:59:41,667
Way. Is that still part of the

1377
00:59:43,273 --> 00:59:44,406
plan? Yes. There there's a

1378
00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:46,375
connection through Fiesta Way

1379
00:59:46,375 --> 00:59:48,278
to citation, so it won't be a

1380
00:59:48,278 --> 00:59:50,413
dead end anymore. It will go

1381
00:59:50,413 --> 00:59:52,115
through to citation. Do we have

1382
00:59:52,115 --> 00:59:53,181
any idea how much traffic

1383
00:59:53,181 --> 00:59:56,152
that's going to generate on

1384
00:59:56,152 --> 00:59:57,386
that road? I don't believe a

1385
00:59:57,386 --> 01:00:00,386
traffic study was required for

1386
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:05,695
this development. Oh it was yes.

1387
01:00:05,695 --> 01:00:07,730
Yeah. There was a traffic study,

1388
01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:08,931
but I could see nothing in it

1389
01:00:08,931 --> 01:00:11,931
within the estimates of what's

1390
01:00:22,511 --> 01:00:23,845
going to happen to Fiesta. I

1391
01:00:23,845 --> 01:00:27,445
I'm not able to answer that

1392
01:00:29,651 --> 01:00:32,488
question. Okay. Thank you. Any

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other questions from the

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committee? Seeing none. This

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requires a roll call vote.

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Chair. Owen. Yes. Votes closing.

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Vice chair rehab eight yes.

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Votes. Thank you. And this will

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go to old business at the next

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council meeting. I am not

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seeing anything else on our

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agenda. Does anyone on the

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committee have any questions or

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anything they'd like to discuss?

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Seeing none, we are adjourned.

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Thank you.