1 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 All 2 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,239 right, you are live and unmuted. 3 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,639 You have a 4 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:47,520 I guess we'll call this to order. Um, the minutes of the previous meeting were 5 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,840 exeminated. You guys had a chance to look at them. 6 00:04:54,479 --> 00:05:03,040 I'll move that we accepting the second to approve the B as constituted. All in 7 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:08,360 favor? Motion carries. 8 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,360 » Turn off one of the microphones. 9 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,720 speaker on 10 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:41,280 that better. There we go. 11 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:46,400 Okay. First item on the agenda is to discuss 12 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:52,639 HVAC permits. That you, John? Yep. Okay, go for it. 13 00:05:47,360 --> 00:06:01,520 » Um, so with the HVAC program, uh, June 1st we took over the HVAC permits for 14 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:08,000 the city of Rick. Um, I was waiting to do the other cities, the city 15 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:13,520 of Manan and the city of Lewis built, um, until we had a plumbing and 16 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:18,800 electrical inspector. So, I only had to go to him once. Um 17 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:24,560 that's proving to be a little bit more difficult. So uh in the next couple 18 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:31,160 months I'll probably go to Man and Lewisville and see if we can start doing 19 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,160 just their HVAC. 20 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:45,199 That's all I have with the Hback. So you're trying to just do the county 21 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:50,400 cities that do very good guys. Yeah. So, we do the we do the building 22 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:56,319 permits already for the city of Ricky, Mananda, and Norless. 23 00:06:52,479 --> 00:07:03,039 Um, and then we have Brian as our HVAC inspector. So, we started those in the 24 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:10,160 county in January. And then we started the city of Riby HVAC inspections June 25 00:07:05,599 --> 00:07:16,400 1st. Um, and then I was waiting until we found an electrical and plumbing 26 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:20,240 inspector to go to Man Lewisville. Um, but since we've had some trouble finding 27 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:27,160 those inspectors, then I'll probably just go to those cities and and see if 28 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:27,160 we can at least start HVAC. 29 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:35,759 » How's it going with that? You just had that many years. 30 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:44,080 » Yeah. Yeah, we Yeah. being June 1st, we've had quite a few applications 31 00:07:39,039 --> 00:07:48,960 um for city or HVAC permits and they've been just like alone in the county. So, 32 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:53,919 it's gone very smooth. >> Okay, good. Any other questions, 33 00:07:51,840 --> 00:08:00,160 comments? And Okay, item number three, discuss 34 00:07:56,879 --> 00:08:07,440 your electrical and plumbing programs. Yeah. So, the electrical and plumbing 35 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:12,960 program, um, originally with that idea to have those inspectors, 36 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:21,280 we wanted to do it on a contract basis. Um, 37 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:28,879 so we had PQFS posted for two months. Um, and we have two coming applications, 38 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:36,399 but it would be we learned that it would be really expensive um for us and 39 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:42,800 homeowners and contractors to do it on a contract basis. Um, the permit fees 40 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:48,000 would have to be a lot higher than what the state is um to be able to afford 41 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:57,040 those inspectors um and pay them what they want. And so we posted 42 00:08:51,760 --> 00:09:02,399 um as part-time employees um to we posted those in June uh to be a 43 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:08,080 part-time employee to do electrical and plumbing inspections um for residential 44 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:15,760 and commercial and then their plan reviews. Um we haven't had any 45 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:20,480 applications with those yet. Um, so if you guys know anybody, 46 00:09:17,839 --> 00:09:24,920 » so so if I could jump in kind what kind of what's unique about this situation 47 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,640 experience in other states and maybe 48 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:44,399 is is the permits are all individual, right? We have the building permit. We 49 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,839 have the HVAC electrical plumbing. I mean, if we were going to do all those 50 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,560 inspections and we grouped all of those into one permit process and one permit 51 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:58,000 application, I mean, what does that require? Is that anybody else do that? 52 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Probably not because of the state, right? I think it would be a lot nicer. 53 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,800 » Yeah, it' be a lot cleaner for sure. >> Jerich get a building permit. 54 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:11,680 » Yeah. He turns into one application and it covers all of those things. 55 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,880 So we might be able to pull off an electrical and plumbing inspection 56 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,519 program if we were to group those together. 57 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:22,560 » Yeah. >> Were they trying to do it by contract 58 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:26,880 basis per individual inspection $100 or something that they wanted or is that 59 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,839 what they kind of proposed that number $100 of inspection? 60 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:35,440 » Yeah, that's what I heard from the other ones that do it on contract basis was 61 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,560 that they want 100 bucks of inspection. I mean, which makes sense when they're 62 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,920 paying for their own vehicles and their own insurance and shorter things. Yeah. 63 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,800 » Yeah. >> I mean, yeah. You're going to be through 64 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:49,600 an hour. You leave what you're doing. >> Exactly. 65 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:54,320 » And then you follow up and everything else. You got to do whatever it is. But 66 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,640 yeah, I thought it was $100 for everyone. 67 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:01,360 » Yeah. >> So, we we looked at some trying to find 68 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:05,839 certain folks to do it to come on as employees. 69 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:11,680 we haven't got the committees. >> What's what's also unique is that um I I 70 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:18,240 don't remember the name who was proposing the bill at the state level, 71 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:28,720 but um somebody was working on a bill to eliminate state inspections completely 72 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:36,560 um by the year 2029 or 2030. um which would put a lot of strain on the local 73 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:41,760 and smaller departments like ours and the smaller cities to be able to go and 74 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:47,040 find those inspectors to be able to do that if they eliminate the state doing 75 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:51,440 those inspections. Um, 76 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:56,480 so I'd really like to get ahead of that so we're not scrambling at the last 77 00:11:53,519 --> 00:12:02,079 moment if they're if they do end up eliminating them. Um, we have some time 78 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:06,480 to start those programs and find those inspectors. 79 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:10,320 » So if they eliminate them, I mean, it probably would not say that, oh, we're 80 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:13,200 going to kick more money for the county because we've eliminated a service that 81 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,040 we provide, >> right? 82 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:19,600 » But now you're going to pick it up and go. And in addition, we're going to 83 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:25,000 limit how much you can charge for, you know, property tax. So, 84 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:25,000 » yeah. Okay. 85 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:32,000 » What what's really interesting about that is the um the plumbing and 86 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:38,160 electrical will have to be dirty in the state to do those inspections. Um would 87 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,760 they would they remove state requirements if they remove the ability 88 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:47,680 to provide the inspection? I have tried to I mean that makes sense to me if they 89 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:51,600 say we're not going to do it anymore and don't tell us how to do it. 90 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:56,720 » Yeah. I've tried to reach out um to different people that 91 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:01,120 know who's presenting that bill and even the person that's working on the bill 92 00:12:58,079 --> 00:13:07,440 and haven't heard anything back. Um because what I what I would like to see 93 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:13,200 as part of that bill or even after that bill is to eliminate them being a 94 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:18,200 journey there. Um, which would make it a lot easier. 95 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,200 » I mean, yeah, with those inspectors, 96 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:31,360 is that a two-year? >> Um, four and five years. Five. 97 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:37,440 » It's essentially a bachelor's degree. >> I mean, yeah. 98 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:41,399 » Well, no, but in terms of in terms of it's essentially bachelor's degree. 99 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:49,680 Well, good luck finding somebody. >> Yeah. So, I mean, if you guys know 100 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:54,959 anybody that's retired and wants to work part time to do those inspections, let 101 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:59,199 me know. >> But they wouldn't still have to be the 102 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,600 the journey level discipline, right? 103 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:07,199 » Yeah. They would they would have to be a journeyman for them already to be 104 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:10,199 certified here. Anything 105 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:18,000 else on that one? That's all I have for that one. Okay. Um the roofing permits 106 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:25,639 inspection. >> Yes. So this one, let me switch the 107 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:25,639 screen. 108 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Can you guys read that? Um, so this I emailed this out yesterday 109 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:58,000 to all of you. Um, but this this idea would be an administrative process. Um, 110 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:06,160 it wouldn't be adopted into an ordinance. And this came up because 111 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:13,040 we our administrative process before with um a re- roofing permit was that if 112 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:19,360 anything structural is changed um so sheathing has to be replaced or trusses 113 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:24,959 then then you would need the re- roofing permit. Um, 114 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:33,199 I've had a lot of discussions with our attorney about the roof permits and he 115 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:38,880 would like to see either all re-roofing permits, all re-roofing jobs have a 116 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:43,839 permit regardless, structural, non-structural, 117 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:50,720 um, or none of them. We just delete that part out of our code. 118 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:56,160 what's his what's his uh uh logic behind that? 119 00:15:52,800 --> 00:16:04,079 » Uh he's had a lot of lawsuits around roofs um roof leaks and you know it's 120 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:10,399 it's an important inspection. Um but we don't get on ladders, so we don't get on 121 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:17,839 roofs. Um it's hard to see everything from the ground. So, this process would 122 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:26,079 allow us to be able to see more of the roofs on new construction and on 123 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:31,440 re-roofing permits um by taking pictures, videos of different stages of 124 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:35,199 the roofing process so we can inspect it that way. 125 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,199 » Yeah. >> Or so we put the onus on installers to 126 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,759 provide that information for >> Yes. At what point do they need to 127 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:47,279 provide you? >> Um, so I would like to see when the drip 128 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:51,199 edge, flashing, ice, and water and underllayment is down. Um, so we can 129 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:58,639 ensure that was installed and installed correctly. And then um a couple 130 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:03,759 different spots as they're nailing the shingles 131 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:09,839 um for an asphalt roof. And then the final products we can typically see 132 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:15,039 front ground. Um but 133 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:19,439 I'm not wor they would have to come in provide that information to you. I mean 134 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:24,880 could it be done email or? >> Yeah they could they could send an email 135 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:28,240 um they send pictures. Yeah. Yeah. Twitter. Okay. 136 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,000 » Yeah. >> Yeah. So a little bit more 137 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,000 responsibility on the >> instable. 138 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,840 » Yeah. >> Certain certainly better than saying you 139 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,520 got to come out and look at it, >> right? 140 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:49,280 » Is there a lot of problems with >> uh not necessarily we've we've just had 141 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:56,799 the confusion and the old administrative process on where do we draw the line on 142 00:17:53,200 --> 00:18:01,520 existing and re-roofing? Um what triggers that permit? what doesn't and I 143 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:06,080 think we just as we grow up I think we need a better administrative process for 144 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:10,720 it. >> So right now if you have to replace 145 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:14,400 sheeting that qualifies >> as needed permit. Yes. 146 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:18,600 » Is that is that logic because of structural? 147 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:18,600 » Yes. Okay. 148 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:26,559 » Yeah. I guess the biggest thing that I see is when they don't replace it and I 149 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,880 don't know how you catch that though, right? because you're catching the guys 150 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,840 that are doing it right, not the guys that are just saying, "No, we're fine. 151 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,720 It'll be okay." >> I do believe that obviously, you know, 152 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,480 when there's structural damage to the trusses, especially a broken one is for 153 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,760 a valley that doesn't have the proper amount, you know, that's going to allow 154 00:18:39,679 --> 00:18:44,880 it to be reached. But because in a valley, I mean, just between the spreads 155 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:48,880 on that, you know, when they don't put anything underneath it, that's like 34 156 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,520 inches that just flexes and changes out there. Yeah, 157 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,640 » that's a tough one because you guys used to go, you know, like the sheathing 158 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,039 inspection portion of it. You have to find a road way for you guys to get up 159 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,600 there. >> Yeah. 160 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:05,280 » And you know, obviously that's really important, but also the hazards. 161 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:09,600 » So that's something that's been a way obviously fell off, so we have some 162 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,799 issues, right? So, >> um, 163 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:17,039 » yeah, I guess I it just because I know a lot of I I don't do a lot of 164 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:21,919 rebirththing, but I do contract it out and I I know that we run into situations 165 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:24,480 where I just can't see them stopping to permit something just because they 166 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:29,280 reached a point where they need to replace a like two section of a 167 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,960 sheeting. So, I'm just trying to figure out how that's going to work as far as 168 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,480 giving them the incentive. It's almost like you have to do all of the reooks, 169 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,440 all of those who fall in those categories, but because it is something 170 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:45,360 that a lot of people will, you know, not do correctly. It's because of time and 171 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:49,520 money. >> That's a good one. 172 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:53,440 » And that's and that's kind of the conversations that I've had with our 173 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:59,360 attorney is that, you know, we probably miss those. And if we just do a 174 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:05,919 re-roofing permit for everything, then it's more simple than everything for 175 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:11,039 every roof as a permit. Um, and there's no line drawn in the sand when you need 176 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:17,520 it. When you don't need it, you just need it. Um, but I think part of the 177 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:20,480 re-roofing would be um pictures or ground inspection of the existing roof 178 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,360 deck >> y condition before they cover it. 179 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:29,440 » Yeah. >> Yeah. How much of how much of a cost or 180 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:35,120 would it add a cost or is there a current cost for the 181 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:39,200 » um what what would that look like maybe? >> Yeah, it would be its own fee. I haven't 182 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:45,120 looked at fees um what we should charge fees for it. Usually I I just look at 183 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:51,280 other jurisdictions around us. Um and then we we do what makes sense for 184 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:55,200 compared to that what makes sense for us without losing money 185 00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:58,720 because I mean I'm thinking you're really putting pretty much the owners 186 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,760 and everything on a person. So really just pass 187 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:10,400 I mean all you need to have physically check right like yeah looks good. 188 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:15,440 » Yeah. And a lot of it would be done by pictures. Um there's other ways they 189 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:21,039 could do it in here. Um like they could have a certified third party uh do the 190 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:31,360 roof inspection provide us with the reports. Um they could 191 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:37,440 use like a polemounted camera um or live video. That one's kind of interesting 192 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:44,400 because we don't have a great way to capture and save a live video. Um, so I 193 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,000 would prefer not to have the live video and just have, you know, somebody take a 194 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,799 video and send it to us because then we can save that. Um, or you know, 195 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:57,200 pictures. >> I mean, you me you mentioned drone. I 196 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,440 mean, >> could you allow them to just shoot drone 197 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:06,400 footage and good? >> Yeah. Yeah, send me a photo or anything, 198 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:10,280 right? >> Reason to start a new company 199 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:17,600 buy, >> you know, have to go out and fly the 200 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:21,280 thing out, you know, take pictures, fly it back. 201 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:26,559 » Yeah, we we've looked at that. Um, and there's a lot of regulations with drone 202 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:32,360 shell and being licensed and um, I don't think that would be the best thing for 203 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,360 us. I don't [laughter] think fun. 204 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:43,120 » So true. So true. I think some of this has come up because of the older houses, 205 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,960 right? they pull those roots off and the homeowner thinks that maybe it 206 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:51,520 should be done differently because re- roofing should be done differently and 207 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:55,840 they're not happy with it. So, they've come to us and asked us to be involved 208 00:22:53,360 --> 00:23:00,559 with it. That's how that's kind of how this is coming up. 209 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:04,960 » It also seems that most of the re-roofs are insurance found, right? I mean, it's 210 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:08,480 any house that's sold in this valley that's 10 years old, any inspector will 211 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,720 just call that roof out. It's the easiest thing for him to do. 212 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,799 » Correct. >> So then there is a form of inspection 213 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,720 that the insurance company has to have which could also fall in line with what 214 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:26,559 you're doing. But I would say probably 90% of every RA is insurance bound to 215 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:32,480 certain extent. So that helps. But >> would you say no bringing this up? 216 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:37,200 property owners, you know, they had somebody come and re they pull that they 217 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:44,000 pull it off and do it because the slats instead of the sheets. 218 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,360 » I think I think for me I can see a reason to require a permit 219 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,440 if there's going to be I guess I find structural I can say the sheeting is 220 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:56,720 called structural between more trustless >> I can see that for sure. One of the 221 00:23:53,440 --> 00:24:00,080 things for me that inspections can do a project is slow way down. You 222 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:02,960 know, if someone if someone wants to hit the roof on the weekend, they can't do 223 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,360 it if they have inspection. >> Exactly. 224 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:08,960 » Um if they they pull it off, they find it there's a rock spot. Oh my goodness, 225 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:11,360 now we got to call the county up and then we got to fix that spot waif come 226 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,440 out. Like I said, there may be some way 227 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,440 around it with the pictures and things like that. But I I don't think the 228 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:22,080 county would want the possible liability of, you know, having the house get 229 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:23,679 rained on because they opened it up and found out, oh no. 230 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,840 » All right. >> Now I got to get sheeting on there. And 231 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:30,880 maybe the old sheeting was maybe they used half inch sheeting with no clips. 232 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,000 » Yeah. >> And so now we can do, you know, they 233 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,279 patch the humble in place. Now they got clip the whole thing. Or 234 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:39,679 » I don't know. I I don't think the county wants to stay away from that. I can see 235 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,919 the county wanting to be there for trusses. Yeah, but I 236 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,760 » and we had one in the city of Riby where a tree fell on it a couple months ago 237 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:52,400 and so they took the tree off and there's a couple trusses damaged. So 238 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:56,559 they got a permit for that and um what was easy about that one was they opened 239 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,760 up inside the house too. So they just did a remodel while they were at it so 240 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:06,000 we could see everything from underneath like we normally would be able to do. Um 241 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:09,200 so that one was a lot more simple. Well, every time a trust gets broke, it has to 242 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,559 be engineered, too. You can't just slide one next to it to say you did it. Okay. 243 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:17,360 Right. You have to get an engineer. I mean, to get officially 244 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,880 » Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a tough one because I what 245 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:23,520 I like about it though for greater edit is to try to catch some of these guys 246 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:26,240 that aren't doing it right. Once they get a couple violations, once they get 247 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,279 some things against them, then maybe that'll stop because there's plenty of 248 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:33,679 guys that just, you know, not doing it the right way and do it as fast as they 249 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:37,919 can and they're doing it. So, making them have inspection better. I just 250 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:42,559 don't think it's going to definitely help whether you do all of them or just 251 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,320 the ones that fall into that parameter. That's a tough one. 252 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Somebody feel like you have to get them inspection. When they see something bad, 253 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,760 they're going to not see something bad, >> right? 254 00:25:52,320 --> 00:26:01,880 » Yeah. Sounds like you're going to be advised all or nothing. 255 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:01,880 I think it'll be a house fall. 256 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:08,640 » Yeah. So I mean if I >> Yeah. But then in that case it's not 257 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:15,520 necessarily the roof not the not the roof per se. It's inspecting inspecting 258 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:22,080 the you know structural structure right that's so I don't so we did that you 259 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:30,080 know it doesn't include include that you know application of the flashing 260 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:36,559 grip edge or anything else. So, I mean, I guess my my inclination would be it's 261 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,240 probably not a bad idea that can you make it so that it's not ownorous. 262 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:44,720 » Yeah. >> I mean, and it sounds like it doesn't 263 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:49,919 need to be really what you're trying to do is build a photographic evidence 264 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,679 that it was done correctly. >> Yeah. 265 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,200 » If they don't do so either, right? >> Yeah. And so then then the question, 266 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:03,039 okay, so you ask somebody to come and does it, but we can take pictures to you 267 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:08,320 and you look at it, you go, no, what are you going to do? I mean that to me that 268 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:11,120 that's where the point, >> okay, what if somebody really does do a 269 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,360 crap job? >> Yeah. 270 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,960 » And and you have photographic evidence that it's 271 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:19,279 » Yeah. >> Then then does the does the county bear 272 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:23,200 liability? the homeowner to paint somebody 273 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:27,440 said you were going to do the inspection the permitting and they let this crap 274 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:32,159 float. That makes sense. And so it's that balancing those those two things. 275 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,960 » Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I guess I guess the 276 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:43,520 question would be to if we do this process for re-roofing with you know 277 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:49,600 pictures and evidence proof should we also be doing that [clears throat] 278 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:55,039 with all of our new construction as well um because we don't have a specific 279 00:27:52,640 --> 00:28:00,960 roofing inspection um and new construction and so you know 280 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:06,240 sometimes we don't you know we don't see anything. 281 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:11,039 And then other times we can see them up there working on the roof. Um and 282 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,120 sometimes, you know, we do sheathing inspection, we come back to our framing, 283 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,039 it's got a roof on it and we never saw anything. 284 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:22,840 » It's a big work. >> Yeah, it is. 285 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:30,480 » Yeah, >> that's my personality. 286 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:38,080 » Yeah. And I I think if if you suggest that we don't go there, then um what I 287 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:44,240 would like to do is remove um in our code and in our ordinance 288 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:50,240 remove roof covering inspector uh roof covering systems from inspection. Just 289 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:54,320 like Sean was saying earlier, 90% of the roofs are inspected by insurance 290 00:28:52,320 --> 00:29:01,039 companies and then paying the bill. let them continue 291 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:03,840 to there is definitely a consumer >> needs it done. It doesn't fall into 292 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:09,360 insurance. A 30-year-old brother, an older couple something that saves them 293 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:12,960 from possibly having, you know, because that's just kind of the way it goes. But 294 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,799 at the same time, I thought the top 295 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,679 » I think it's a can of worms. You know, >> it's a big one. That's why I brought it 296 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,880 here. [laughter] I don't think we want to go there and 297 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,720 set the county up for any payment because if you have photo evidence it's 298 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,440 wrong, >> right? And 299 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:35,840 » well that goes back to back the contractor just like always. I mean if 300 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,000 they turn in the wrong pictures. >> Yeah. 301 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:42,159 » Somebody else. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So why 302 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,000 do we want to police it? I guess like >> Well, that's a big thing too in in the 303 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:52,960 track homes. Where do we get our evidence from one house to another when 304 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:58,880 all their roof looks the same? where how we know that it's this house 305 00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:05,679 and it's on this house over here. That's why I like the drone. I mean, I think it 306 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:09,200 captured it, right? >> Right. 307 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,399 there is that small one you can comply without that sort of stuff but yeah it's 308 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:16,279 not >> I hope we do that 309 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,559 » I mean there's you know when you're buying a house too you have home 310 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:27,840 inspectors that are looking at the roof and 311 00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:34,640 » some of them are pretty thorough there's really not much they can see 312 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,640 there that's good right it's 313 00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:45,360 What does the county right 314 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:51,120 » there's not there's not a lot of counties around us I you know I asked 315 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:55,840 the surrounding counties if >> any of them even get on a roof 316 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,640 » all the ones you know four or five different jurisdictions that responded 317 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:03,360 to me and they don't get on a roof. >> Yeah. Yeah. had for years without a 318 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:07,960 problem. The only inspector I've ever had on the roof was Jeff and 319 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Last had to provide a ladder. 320 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:28,240 » Yeah, that was scary as a contractor. a ladder for somebody to get up there for 321 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:33,440 like maybe a few months and then they >> Well, somebody fell. Was it Somebody 322 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:39,279 fell, right? Wasn't Was it >> I don't think somebody fell. 323 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:43,600 » We We had We had >> Yeah, just recently fell off and he got 324 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:47,039 the re right. He was like smacking for like two days or something. 325 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:52,000 » Then he started >> Yeah. Yeah. I think he I think he hanged 326 00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:59,320 up injury or something and then he came back and and fell and his knee. 327 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320 » Yeah. 328 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,440 » Well, I don't not that you're done with this. Somebody could another thing that 329 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,799 we're not inspecting or maybe you are is shower pans. Is that something we're not 330 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:15,399 doing also at that? >> Right. We don't inspect the actual van 331 00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:15,399 tile back. 332 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:23,279 Am I wrong? Evan does the test too, right? 333 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:28,880 » So, well, >> pretty sure Evan does. 334 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:31,919 » So, the last big shower I did all day with water. 335 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:35,039 » I s two an inch or two inches of water and it had to be there 24 hours. 336 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:38,640 » Yeah. >> Yeah. I just think that that's a big 337 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:41,039 one. Not that I need to reintroduce anything, but that's a big one for me 338 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,000 just because >> that would be something that I would be 339 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,279 more worried about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. 340 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,600 » It's a tile job and so it's it's it's not before it's after the roughen 341 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,200 inspection for the plumbing, but it could happen at the same time and it's 342 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:03,360 supposed to kind of but mainly it's been something that we take a photo of it at 343 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,000 the beginning of it and then do a time lapse 24 hours later and take another 344 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720 photo of it. So >> and it has to hold the walker. 345 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,480 » Still just photographic though. >> That those have been for me. That's 346 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,519 inspectors used to do it. They used to have to come out and do it. We have to 347 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,279 wait for them before the tile guys full of water. But to me, those are the 348 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,519 things that fail the most. >> Is that Falls or B? 349 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,799 » I don't fall well. City of B Falls doesn't it for sure and Amanda does it 350 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,440 for sure. I don't think Bon County doesn't 351 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,960 » Okay. Yeah. 352 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,640 And Shelly doesn't do it or Bingham County does not do it, but two other 353 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:40,720 counties I know for sure do. And the only reason why I'm bringing it up is 354 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,640 just because you see it and it's not today or tomorrow. It's five years after 355 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:48,000 the house gets built and it fails and everybody's pissed off and that's a big 356 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:51,000 deal and it's a lot of money and so it's just 357 00:33:52,320 --> 00:34:00,120 » because of that >> just like the sheriff right it's not a 358 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,120 parent issue 359 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,640 » how did they lose that >> it's just a flood like you know the 360 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:10,000 flood insurance you can't find liability for somebody 361 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:17,760 else who's responsible for it because it's hard to prove that's what So I 362 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:21,919 think there were luck in the basement. 363 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:29,560 So they're down in the basement. They go down water. They call 364 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560 it 365 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:49,800 out. >> Yeah, we dealt with it before. 366 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:59,200 » Yeah. So it's it's a good suggestion. Um I'd like to stay on the agenda and I'm 367 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,480 sorry I can bring that >> on my notes because it is something 368 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,599 important and when you talk about water leaves I just thought this one has to 369 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,359 come up. So >> So do you need anything from us on the 370 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,040 rooftop? >> Um I mean mainly I'm just looking for 371 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:19,359 suggestions. Um I didn't want to make that decision 372 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,200 one way or another by myself. Um, I think you need to do all of them or none 373 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,839 of them. And I would say none. I would concur. It's just too big of a It's too 374 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:36,400 big. >> Yeah. I think I think you know maybe 375 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:42,160 it's not that our virtue but we're to take photographic evidence of your of 376 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:47,119 your work. I mean in in the world I live in I document every 377 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:52,560 » right. I mean you didn't just do that. When I build my home, I actually have, 378 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:57,440 you know, gigabyte code of everything I did, where I put stuff, where I did it, 379 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,640 everything else so I can come back, you know, not that you want to regact. 380 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:10,920 I mean, that's basic not like the old days when you had rolling 381 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,920 pay. 382 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,680 Hell, hell my kids. My kids focus. I don't know how they're doing. 383 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,240 » Okay. 384 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,720 » No, just for the record. 385 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,880 » And then item number five, discuss building type, which is a very 386 00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:44,800 appropriate topic. >> Yes. Um, so it was 387 00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:47,800 » into how far did you need to be back from? 388 00:36:48,685 --> 00:36:51,360 [clears throat] [laughter] 389 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:59,680 » So it was it was recently brought to my attention that the Hammer Fire District 390 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:05,599 doesn't have the capability to firefighters two stories. Um, [snorts] 391 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,440 » invite him up. >> Would you like to come speak the 392 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440 capability? 393 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:25,160 turning pressure up. He's like we 394 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,240 » No, 395 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:46,640 the question I had was since the county doesn't have any more height 396 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:51,920 restrictions with not just Hammer but with the other 397 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:55,920 fire departments, you We have twotory houses. We can have 398 00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:03,760 everybody wants to have the bigger house. All our house 399 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:07,160 and reach the twotory right now. Get on the roof. 400 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:17,680 » Yeah, we can set back with our truck and pump water on top of it and as soon as 401 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:23,839 it burns through then the water, you know. But I was just I guess question 402 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:29,040 was on these taller structures 403 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:35,040 should they have to have required to have a sprinkler system inside? 404 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:40,640 » No, >> I don't know the sprinkler system thing 405 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:46,040 back and forth for the last 20 years. What I 406 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,040 so sprink 407 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,320 but but >> but 408 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:01,119 » either way it's 100%. But you're right. But the loss of life should be less 409 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:08,640 because I mean usually you withstand the sprinkler fire 410 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:15,640 » like withstand the water with the >> Yeah. From a build from like 411 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,640 40 412 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:24,079 cost too. I mean when you do a system inside of a home I mean you're looking 413 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,119 at 15 to$20,000. >> It's a system. that you're not going to 414 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,359 have enough water. >> Okay, 415 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:35,040 » that's usually where we're going to because I've done several 416 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:40,720 » I've done several homes that that have >> So the last home I did with fire 417 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:45,280 sprinkler was a 16,000 foot home. We had to do three wells on the property and 418 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:51,680 then we did a 16,000gallon storage tank. So the we had to have 100 419 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:57,280 gallons a minute. I can't have any. So we had he had $350,000 420 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:03,640 Yeah. >> Which which 421 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,640 if you're 422 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,599 » but but still so >> sure 423 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,839 » that's that's going to be $35,000 if you go to 1600 like 424 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:19,920 » Well, but there's but there's other systems out there that that don't 425 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:25,280 necessarily have to be loaded, right? They can be drive. 426 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:29,040 » Yeah, but Right. got to have 427 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:34,320 some glide for. >> So 428 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:38,000 refer to a drive. >> So the the where I get into that is 429 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,880 every time I turn around and every time I turn in a bid, every person I ever 430 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:48,640 give a bid to or an estimate to is just a poor guy trying to get into a home and 431 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:53,200 the builders are just screwing them over. And if you look at it the hund 432 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,680 like more than inflation more than the cost of anything thing that's driven up 433 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,359 cost more than anything inflation anything you can think of is government 434 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,839 regulation. So obviously when somebody's paying for 435 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,119 it they don't want to pay for it but when they're dying but then obviously 436 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,680 they want. >> So it's a tough situation to get into 437 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,880 because like you look at the insulation restrictions and they've got us insulate 438 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:21,520 houses so tight that now we got to bring in fresh air. So, is it really a better 439 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:28,000 deal bringing fresh air than to just have it all that 440 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,839 » because it's all those things are all of those things are adding cost 441 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:37,119 » and both of my kids live at home right now 442 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:43,680 because I have no idea. Well, so, so in my mind, it comes down 443 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:48,240 to you're either if if we're not dealing with the fire department and trying to 444 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:52,720 address it that way, the homeowners going to be paying higher interest, 445 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:58,000 right? Because if the fire >> department can't fight fire so the house 446 00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:05,119 was this location, >> it's it is location based central aers 447 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:11,000 only have a ladder truck. >> Well, it's it's 448 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,000 They said equipment availability. 449 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,560 » So we don't have >> well it's equipment. 450 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:28,880 It's equipment availability on one one one issue I guess 451 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:35,400 » on one side and so so based on that though what is there are there consensus 452 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,400 codes 453 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:42,240 that I mean like an FDA code or or anything 454 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:46,000 » well and so in addition to an IBC know IBC does not 455 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:54,680 go >> so bottom county requires sprinklers in 456 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,680 homes on lots larger than 5 acres. 457 00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:03,920 » Well, you haven't run into that. >> I'll ask you 458 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:09,599 how big the house is or requiring a sprinkler system. 459 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:14,599 » Unless it's the sprinkler system thing. >> Last house I build over two years. 460 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,280 » Okay. >> Yeah. I don't I I'll check on the code. 461 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:24,160 » That's why we say that. 462 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,040 » Well, and that was the other question was because the state took it out of the 463 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,560 code. Yeah. >> Right. And so, 464 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,440 » do we have the ability to even put it back in? 465 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,200 » So, their screen was really even an option. 466 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:40,720 » Well, I I mean, from what I've seen over the last No. 467 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,560 » Yeah. >> Yeah. In fact, history of it would bring 468 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,400 up so much so much headache that it wouldn't be worth it to bring it up. 469 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:58,440 Wyoming, >> but they were over 10,000 470 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,440 » and the insurance compan 471 00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:06,640 because of the >> and so this is more we're discussing 472 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,440 this because of the building heights and and their lack of ability to get up 473 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,839 there. >> And so what would you be asking them 474 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,560 like to restrict building heights and you know life in these areas? I mean I 475 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,440 would be I don't know what the answer is. 476 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:23,040 » It's a tough situation because you guys collect a lot of impact fees not on 477 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:27,760 residential but on what I pay in commercial impact fees every fire 478 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:32,960 department should have. >> They don't we don't they're not included 479 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:37,839 and they only fire. I'm an ex volunteer firefighter. I get 480 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:42,960 » you know I mean because yeah to an extent it's improving issue but to 481 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:48,240 update to house one of those ladder trucks 482 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,240 after tax. No, and I'm not I'm not insinu 483 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:10,720 whatever goes top of the spray nozzle. At least you can get to the top of the 484 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:15,960 roof, you know. I mean, we do we we have we have two houses out there right now 485 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,960 that are two. 486 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:24,560 So you have to take enough ladders together to climb it really wants to 487 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:29,839 climb that ladder up on top. We probably figure out some way to do 488 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:35,160 it, but you know, 489 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,160 » what's 490 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,520 the conserv 491 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,560 I mean there's there are not limits in the county and 492 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,119 » sky's is the limit. >> Yeah, there should be the limit because 493 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,280 the insurance company's going to regulate. It really is like and the 494 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,280 structure is going to catch fire and burn and we're going to let it burn or 495 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,359 we're going to destroy it with water. So at the end of the day it's a total loss 496 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,079 of your >> other than my other than my equipment 497 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:12,800 you're going to they're going to die in the smoke before the fire. 498 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:17,680 » You know people will buy 40 vehicles because drive that might not be safe 499 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,000 regulate that either. You know this in this country we're still pretty heavily 500 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,440 a buyer beware market. You know, seller need to steal those things that they 501 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:27,920 that they know about, but the buyers will have to do their due diligence. You 502 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:32,720 think about someone buying a house in Hammer that's too tall. You know, they 503 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,640 they be aware of it. So, I think they need to have the right to make a city. 504 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,240 They need to know that the house is not going to be protected. Richard's company 505 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:44,400 will definitely want to find that out. You know, it's easy to say sick, but 506 00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:52,319 when you're the firefighter on the job, there not a damn thing you can do. 507 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:56,560 » Sure. I know. When the dog store is on fire, we're not going into 508 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,880 » Right. >> Yeah. So, at that point, we're just 509 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,880 trying not to let anybody 510 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,760 especially know fire blocking and all the things that prevent that in the two 511 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,640 hour, you know, I mean, those are things that sometimes we miss. 512 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:27,119 I think give more freedom that we have away because of government agencies in 513 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,839 I don't you know what I mean but I 514 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:36,000 stand >> yeah 515 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:41,359 but I'm that's the thing is I hate turnover a bit these days. I feel like 516 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:46,000 I'm making less per dollar than I have the past, but they're the biggest bids 517 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:50,440 I've ever given out because the cost of everything is ridiculous. Every 518 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:59,000 » And you know, you turn it over. Well, how much flying? We ain't built 519 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,000 for this. 520 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:09,160 Restrictions are by far the biggest driver 521 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,160 that 522 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,280 we 523 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:21,200 came here just to hear what you're going. How would you say that? 524 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,520 Yeah, that's a but since you're here though, let me ask 525 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:32,400 what what would come back for the neighbor fire. What would they ask for? 526 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,640 » I don't know. You know that we we had we had have had a structure out here that 527 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:43,599 we asked for spring anyway just for the stand pipe that rein and 528 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:49,119 you know I mean in a situation like that we have 529 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,520 » see to me to me that makes perfect sense >> in a stand 530 00:48:52,640 --> 00:49:00,800 dry all the time doesn't freeze if there was 531 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:04,720 » hook on to it and crank the water and make yeah there there there would be 532 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:08,160 water damage I not >> I think that's probably something though 533 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:12,800 that is worth consideration >> because because that would not be 534 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:17,040 » water damage fire damage I mean at that point it's called it but if somebody's 535 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,559 in there at least maybe it gives the chance 536 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,119 » right but >> yeah and you know we've had our share 537 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:29,440 house fire we've had our share house fire where we can't find 538 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:36,640 » so we are going they're all the stories 539 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:41,280 and 99 and a half% but 540 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:47,119 point is the true the whole county and not just in our district 541 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:51,559 with no higher restrictions the buildings are getting taller and taller 542 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,559 and taller 543 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:58,559 and it will burn somebody down and I mean I I think I think there is some 544 00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:04,119 merit though to dry dry sand even needed to for consideration for 545 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:12,599 I know house build house contract make all 546 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:29,520 I don't like necessarily the government regulation myself but we have stuff to 547 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:34,559 deal with and the height to build it was something 548 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:38,240 it does need to be dealt with somehow I think 549 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,520 » I mean I think it's worth further consider at least if nothing else 550 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:46,079 consideration I mean I just think we need to be thinking about it 551 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:51,920 » let's have let's have the attorney look over and see what what 552 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,920 building Right. 553 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:03,800 » Anything else? That's all I have. 554 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:16,640 A motion to adjourn. >> I'll make a motion we adjourn. 555 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,800 » I'll second it. >> Moved and second to adjurnn. All in 556 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,880 favor? >> I motion carries. That kind of guy.