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Excuse me. If anyone would like to speak during public comments, please fill out a yellow card located by the door. Thank you.

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Okay. I hereby call this meeting to order. Please. I would ask that anyone have their cell phones on you that you mute that. Meet your cell phones and have that muted throughout the duration of the meeting.

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Miss Boyer, would you please call the roll.

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Councilman Crowe. Here. Councilwoman Aaron's present. Councilman Groticki.

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Thank you.

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President.

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Councilman Tullich.

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President.

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And I see you.

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Councilman Browns.

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And Mr. Clinton-Bride.

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I believe he's on his way in.

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Okay.

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Mr. Bobby K.

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President.

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And Mr. Chris Howard.

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President.

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Okay.

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The attendance being called.

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I'll accept a motion to approve the agenda as ordered.

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move that we approve the agenda. Do I have a second?

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I have a motion a second. All in favor say aye.

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Aye. Any opposed?

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Okay with it. I's have it. New business discussion. Discuss draft ordinances. As you see before you we've got

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kind of a rough draft of a summary of what we've been discussing over the last three months and I guess

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So, Mitch, you want to run with this, or?

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Sure.

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I will be as gentle as possible, council personnaires.

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Members of the council, members of the EOC, thanks.

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We'll go over and review the draft regulations tonight.

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I want to start, I'll kind of move through this.

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Based on some, a lot of the input I've gotten

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and then some discussions over the last couple of days.

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We're still gonna stay on point with the project schedule.

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However, I think what one of the things will change moving forward,

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my recommendation, obviously, if the committee wants to do this,

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is have the discussion on the regulations.

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I got a lot of great input from members of the committee.

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Had a lot of great conversations.

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And I also found a few things that I missed.

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So you'll see some mea culpa within this.

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But this was a really big lift as you guys can all see.

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I want to make sure we get this right for the residents of this county.

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So that being said, I'd recommend we go through the conversation tonight and then based

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on the feelings of the members of the committee, Schedule A, another EDOC meeting on Wednesday

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February the 18th, to go over a final draft that reflects your conversation, your input, your

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comments tonight, any resident input that you feel appropriate and meritorious to include

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in the draft so that we can get a revised draft out that hopefully is 98 or 99% ready

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and that would allow us to stay on track to make sure that we have a draft posted and available

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by Friday February 20th in the playing zoning office and available online and to keep that

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public hearing before the planning commission on March 12th and then the following

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county council schedule as well. So you can let me know your thoughts on that at the end. I'll

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bring this slide up once again so you can see where you all think appropriately this is.

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A couple really important notes that I feel we need to clarify, especially given some of the comments

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that were afforded to me, these regulations in this project to create regulations represent a

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proactive approach to regulating data centers and then incorporated areas of Jefferson County.

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There is no project. There is no application. This is being done proactively, but we've said that and we've said that and we've said that, but we're going to keep saying that.

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The regulations and discussions only apply to the unincorporated areas of Jefferson County. Specifically, they do not apply to Festus. They do not apply to Pacific. Only the unincorporated areas of Jefferson County.

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just very important clarification again as I believe you've all witnessed as we've gone through some of these discussions and some of the input you've had.

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So the regulatory overview, the first thing I want to start with is, I'm going to quote a great movie, a great country song.

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We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there tonight.

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I'm going to go over the highlights on each area.

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I have some comments that are recommended changes for staff, from staff, as well as recommended changes based on the input and comments I've gotten.

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If when we get through there, there are comments that you don't see reflected that you have that you want to see reflected in the change, then please jump in and have that conversation.

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This is a lot to get through, so I want to make sure that we don't sit here and dwell on every single word.

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We found some typos and some editing issues, so we'll move through this quickly.

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Obviously, the draft reflects the discussions that we've had at the four previous EDOC meetings on December 3rd, December 10th, December 17th, and January 7th.

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What you'll see is our recommended use approach in the zoning matrix, Table 5-1, as well as a new article, article 10, not article X, so everybody knows that it is actually article 10, of Section 400, which is 3660 through 43790, data center regulations and performance standards, and we'll go through, you know, obviously the draft, as I mentioned, includes your comments and edits we've received.

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I have also added a section on air quality, most of what we presented within that section was in the draft or a few items or not, so I will have a slide that represents what we believe that language of items that we didn't address.

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Again, that is on me totally. And then we are, I think it's always important to know what we're really focused on here.

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We're here to protect any adjoining uses to any potential data center development, primarily residentally zoned and used properties.

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And we are here to ensure that we get the maximum community benefit from data center development

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should one be approved and occurred.

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And I think that's something that is really important as we get into that.

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That will probably be a lot of your discussion, deliberation on how you want that structure

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because I've got a lot of input on those community benefits agreements.

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And again, one of the most important parts is to make sure that we are absolutely getting

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for our community and our residents what we need out of these developments should and when

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Number one on the zoning matrix. Again, we are putting forward a recommendation that this is

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per approved plan and both planned business and planned industrial. You can see both of those

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are highlighting red on the screen. To clarify, we've started implementing the use of the NAICS

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definitions from the Census Bureau for this, so there is no question as to what a data center is

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what it includes.

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A couple of notes on as these proceed is if you already have an existing

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PB or PI zone property but you want to do a data center you're still going to kind of have

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to come in here and get legislative approval of a development plan that meets all these performance

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standards. And if you're not zone PB or PI then you're going to have to come in and get a

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rezoning and development plan approval that meets the performance standards within that section as well.

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both of those, either way, require public hearing.

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So those will always come back to the county council

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for legislative approval.

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Mitch, could you quickly talk about the difference

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between planned business and planned industrials?

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Like, why would we do it in planned business?

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So we didn't plan business because planned business

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is a mix of industrial and business uses,

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like a business park where you could see a lot of really

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well-done business parks would have a more intense use

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on the inside and kind of blend out on the periphery.

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So our thinking was it's planned, it'll have to be considered to come in here, but there

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are instances where you know, ideally if we saw a thousand acre proposed development for

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plan business, one of the uses in there on that plan could be data center or other industrial

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You see those intermingled throughout and a lot of time when you see business parks, those

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uses are typically classified actually as industrial already.

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So we felt that based on the typical criteria that you see are some of those standards and operational ideas that fit with that plan business.

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Well, the standards would be the same.

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Exactly the same.

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So again, it's a planned use.

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They'll have to meet the structure.

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All those performance standards for data centers, whether it's in a plan business or a plan industrial.

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I hope the next one is the easiest, the purpose and intent.

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I think that's pretty clear from plan on dwelling there, the applicability.

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I think we had a lot of conversations about the, you know, a couple things of highlights here.

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Number one, we wanted to make sure that the terms applicant, developer, owner, and operator all are used interchangeably

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and applied to each regardless of the term used here, and so there's no confusion.

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and there's no opportunity for somebody to say that does not apply to me.

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The other one is these are minimum standards. As we go through this we need to understand we're establishing minimum standards.

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So while I believe we are setting a high bar they are minimums and so given the context and the use of planned as we go through this,

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It could be very likely that increased standards are included to mitigate other impacts based on again the context of the development, but these are your safe minimums that we're recommending.

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I think the other one that is interesting and that I got some feedback on item six is the enforcement interpretation to the discretion of the director of county services and code enforcement.

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The one item that was missing in there, Mr. Grotiki, thank you for this, because I'll make this clarification, and this is something that is included everywhere else that I've been around the world doing planning to other places, but it's not a better to say it like that is we recommend that we add language into that that allows an appeal mechanism by either the developer or a specific defined number of number of the county council.

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which is always in those jurisdictions been one less than a quorum.

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So if there is a decision where a developer feels like the director,

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and again, these have to be survivable if Mitch gets hit by a bus tomorrow,

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that if the developer feels like the standards are too hard,

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then they can appeal to the county council.

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Or if the county council doesn't feel like the director made a good decision,

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three of them can request to see that and overturn that, okay?

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So that's a very common appeal mechanism that you see within here, which provides protection

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on all sides.

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Quite frankly, I would imagine that would never are rarely come up because any deviations

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or changes would have to be approved within that development plan that comes forward and

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gets approved legislatively.

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but it may come into if you know a developer believes the director is being

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heavy-handed.

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A enforcement of something or something like that, those are all items to be appealed. Or if the county council believes that there are violations occurring, they're not be addressed, then that would also allow you to appeal mechanism. Hey, Mitch, I'm just thinking through this. We should probably make that consistent though with the voting requirements for approving, approving the development plan to begin with because if not, you could, if that's requires four members. So if three could always so to clarify this understanding, it's only three that requires that come before and be heard by the council. Okay.

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Your legislative requirement is still the same to overturn or affirm being a majority of so you just need three three to four to not voting on changes correct that's just three to raise the appeal question right so three of you get together.

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We want to we want to review this. It takes three to review but it still takes your normal legislative majority to approve it and I so Mitch that would fall basically the same process that we go through if we want to have a new public hearing on.

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a rezoning or something of that nature.

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I can't say I'm real familiar with that,

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but I would.

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I don't think we've done that since you've been here.

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No, thankfully, no, you have not.

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But I would imagine you have some time under your belt

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and have some familiarity with that.

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So I imagine that's pretty much the same.

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Yeah, it sounds like it's pretty common.

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And again, it's a real common thing that you find in codes

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and that provides protection on both sides

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should one party feel grieved.

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Generally, that's the wording you see.

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Shouldn't agree party have that,

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then this is their mechanism, right?

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Again, I think part of what you'll see is a lot of this we are looking at too on bringing

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into when we do UDO changes holistically that are just systemic improvements that will

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help us all have a little bit of comfort and again, really it's those checks and balances

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as we go through this.

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Mr. Bear, one of the questions that I had asked earlier, I want to make sure we have a clear

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for the record that these will not require a conditional use permit?

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No, so it's a development plan.

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We don't get into any conditional use permit approach here, and I know that was a question

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that you had earlier today.

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So they're all planned uses, which require a development plan to be approved or rezoning

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to one of those two plan districts, but there's no conditional use permit, especially use permit

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or any other process.

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Can you walk through the process?

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How would that come in?

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It's going to go before PNZ.

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It would be a public hearing before the planning commission.

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They would make a recommendation to the County Council and it would be like any other you you have development plans now that meet that

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Anytime you see a PR rezoning those come before you it's the same it's the same legislative approval process

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So we'll have a public hearing that'll be made a recommendation and that would take a majority of the County Council to the approver deny

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I guess the site plans included in it. That is the development plan. Yeah

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Yeah, trust me. It's a different term of art everywhere. I always say site plan. That's a very easy default for us. It's technically a development plan.

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Can I click and it's good to ask these questions because I think it's very comfortable to understand what this process will look like.

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Should we get to that approval point? Obviously, I hope that's the path wrong because I feel like I've wasted eight weeks of my life if not.

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Thank you.

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It's good because it's only joke of people laugh. So thank you everybody that I apparently owe money to.

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definitions. We've included several definitions, most of which we don't have within our zoning

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code a couple we do just to make sure we reinforce that as you see through this.

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and community impact analysis, we feel like this is a very important component. Along with an

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application and the development plan, we also want to see basically an analysis of the environmental

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mental and community impacts, you know, it includes the narrative, the mental of a site plan,

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evaluation of impacts of improvements, and any potential environmental impacts.

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So it's just a companion document with that development plan and additional requirement

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that makes sure we're evaluating and coming to terms with any potential environmental impacts.

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That again, may need to be mitigated above and beyond the minimum thresholds

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we're establishing within the ordinance.

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But there is a rational nexus there, and this is objective to kind of get to that point.

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I'm going to go through this one carefully and deliberately, because this is one where

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when I proved it out, there's a couple of conflicts in here.

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The first one, you know, I want to hit a couple.

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We had a lot of comments about these developments not being on public water.

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There is a requirement for connection to public water and public sewer utilities that is throughout.

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If it's not public then it would have to be extended to the development and the side benefit of that is that opens up the opportunity to extend public water to other users who may not have that opportunity.

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We'll get into water in a little bit because then we'll have a conversation about impacts on the aquifer and some of those other questions right that if it's a use can the district do it.

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So again, as we've had all of these conversations,

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I'm gonna see a lot of intermingling between these,

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which I think made my brain hurt and made me miss a few, right?

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So I really wanted to spend some time talking

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about the buffer yards and screening,

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setbacks for principal and accessory structures

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as well as parking.

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And then after we get through that,

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a little conversation on building design,

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massing, facade, materials, building colors,

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I won't spend a lot of time on the rest.

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Next, mainly where I want to have this conversation and get the input is, is it necessary?

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And these are questions from the IASG units now, because I want you to follow along and

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have some examples set up.

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Is it necessary to have separate buffer yard requirements based on total building square

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footage?

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If no, then is there a preference to use 100, 150, or 300 feet or another number?

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Is 50 feet acceptable when adjoining non-residential uses?

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Setbacks are included as a blanket 200 feet from external property lines, but then we have

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buffer yard requirements are established, and if you notice, when we did it on building

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size, that buffer yard's 300 feet, which conflicts with that 200 foot setback.

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So that was the presentation.

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What we wanted to do was refine this and make it a little easier and go through a few examples

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so you can see what that looks on different pieces of property and building envelopes.

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And then I can give you a little bit of a teaser here that we, staff is not the professional

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opinion that we need to include a minimum water district area.

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We don't really include that in a lot of our zoning districts anyway.

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We don't think it's necessary because when you play the development scenario, many of you

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have heard me kind of go through how all of these things intermingle on to, if a development

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is going to be able to happen or not.

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And part of that is that when you overlay the buffer area and the setbacks, the minimum

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or development just kind of comes to its own fruition and I'll start small going big.

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So the first one is if we have setbacks, we have a 10 acre lot, a proposed development.

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The lowest setbacks in buffer area we've got, which I will tell you at the end, we believe

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is appropriate for the larger ones, but ultimately it's going to be up to the guidance and preference

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and pleasure if you will of the county council to the side doesn't give direction.

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But if you have a landscape buck for a hundred feet, which you can see on the edge there

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and I took that great little graphic that I will say AI helped me to regulate itself on just

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to replicate what those buffer yards are included and then we have a parking setback of 150 feet so

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that parking setback goes 50 feet beyond the 100 foot buffer and then we have a structure setback

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of 200 feet which goes 50 feet back on that 10 acre property which is 660 by 660 you see I just made

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it easy and took it to 600. What you get out of that on net building envelope is 200 by 200,

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which is right at about an acre. So if you take a simple net, and when you see me say simple net,

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I take a 70% of that because you're not going to put a building on the structure setback,

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structure setback, you're going to be looking at a 28,000 square foot building, right? I don't think

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anybody's going to find it financially feasible to put a data center on a 10 acre lot.

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And if they are, it's going to have such a minimum impact, it'll be essentially inconsequential, right?

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So let's raise our stakes a little bit and go to a 50 acre lot.

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And again, that middle represents your building envelope with the exact same buffers and setbacks, 100 foot for the landscape buffer.

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Then you've got initial 50 for the parking and additional 50 to 200 for the structure setback.

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What that does on your building area, and again, this is about 1,400 by 1,400 square foot by foot.

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But we get a net building envelope out of that about 1,076 by 1,076, right?

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That gives us a gross of about 26.6 acres or 1.1 million square feet.

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So just going from 10 to 50, dramatically increases that size and ability.

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And then you're simple net on there again by using about a 70% is about an 810,000 square

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foot of building space, 18.6 acres.

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And so you can see, you still have a really good setback there when you're talking about

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residences of 200 feet now if we go to 100 acre lot that gets really I mean

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dramatically larger I won't go through these setbacks again or by sick of me

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talking about it but the your building area you know is reduced within their

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you know is increased in there to about 1687 by 1687 are about 65.3 acres so

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we're looking at about 2.8 million square feet on gross which takes that net at

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70% down to about 1.9 million are 45.7 acres.

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So that's kind of the representation here and as you saw that you can see that buffer

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and that scale still says the same.

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The question is as I went through this and you start playing this out is does it really

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matter on how much building is there with the setback or does it really matter on the size

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lot?

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And those are the two things that you know if you decide okay well all things can be

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treated equally and we're comfortable with a 200 foot setback fine or is there a threshold

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where the council would like to see a higher setback and we can make adjustments to those

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numbers accordingly.

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We do believe the one buffer requirement 100 feet which is a lot,

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I mean that's a pretty big buffer works very well with a 200 foot setback and as we did research

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on model ordinances that's the 200 foot seems to be the very common setback regardless of

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size with also that 100 foot buffer. The question and it may be rhetorical if you don't

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have any common is, you know, is it okay to change that when you join non-residential

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uses in another spoiler alert, you're going to see a conversation on should we alter some

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of the other standards if the property line adjoins a non-residential property line or should

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We hold the same standard and that's that is you know, I at least need head nods when we're the other when we get there to move forward with our draft

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Because right now the standards are one size fits all and we need to understand if this happens in the middle of industrial park

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And I'm surrounded on all four sides

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By industrial property and non-residential property and I'm on a public road not county maintained but public

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Industrial road that may one day be connected and still be a county maintained road

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It's still industrial nature. Does that require a different treatment if you're in that environment, right?

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Trying to, I'm trying to read here. Sometimes I put a little too much on here, but we don't believe a minimum

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ladder district areas necessary as we discussed. We also don't believe we need any internal setbacks.

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Any side yard, we've given one blanket yard setback, which normally we give a rear front

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aside. We're wanting to apply that all the way to all four sides of the property and if you have a

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multiple building development the way those are separated or per building code and the fire code

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quite frankly. So since it's an internal development much like an office park that's what you see are

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you know a lot of connections as a campus with canopies and a closeness for buildings for ease of

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maintenance or even if there's an internal subdividing where you would have let's say a hundred

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or development, they're 10 acre lots.

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We're really focused on the external outwardly facing

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property lines, not ones that are inwardly facing

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within that development.

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And you see that elsewhere, an easy one that I was at

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where you have that and you have no internal setback,

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road requirements, this river port business park.

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That's a very common practice.

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And there's more urban environments

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where you have these types of developments.

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I think, again, what we need to be concerned about

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with the council needs to be concerned upon and give input on

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is, you know, it's the buffer or appropriate and are those setbacks appropriate.

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Hey, Mitch, what's the format here we're going to follow because you're going to put your

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view guys want to jump in, or if you want to wait, it may be easier to give me some input

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and guidance here.

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That's what I'm thinking is.

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If you're explaining these things, we should probably talk through each of these and give

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you the feedback.

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Whatever works the best for you guys, I am as accommodating as it gets here.

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I mean, at the end of the day we all have to be comfortable with this, we have to be

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comfortable with the conversation and yeah I'm fine with doing it as we go through this.

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I'm just thinking you have a lot of questions here and we're going to figure out what these

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questions are when we actually get to the section of the code of what all the questions that you

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want to answer here so maybe we should just go through your questions and get an answer from the

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committee.

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So unless you get one I'll get started. No go ahead. So you were talking about the different

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And possibly different setbacks for, and we're digging into the construction of the

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sides and what it looks like and all of that.

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Those pieces, do you have the idea of it being different for different what it buffers

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up to is that I think really important because this is planned industrial and if there's a

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concrete plan on the other side of it or a junkyard on the other side of it, I don't

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think they're really going to care what that building looks like or how loud it is because

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they're probably going to be just as loud as not louder.

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Granted, if it backs up to a residential and it's just we re-zone some agricultural land

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into plain industrial and there's residential around it, that's a different story.

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Do you have any ideas on what those differences would be, because I mean like some of those

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like when we're down the 10 acre lot, right, like you know, I mean you're taking 95% of the

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usable land there.

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If that's something that we can, is in the middle of, plot down in the middle of industrial,

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like in the middle of industrial, not backing up to any residential, can we create a situation

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where that becomes economically feasible for the developer to develop that.

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In a place where no one's ever going to notice it's there. And that's where we already built in those reduced setbacks in there for adjoining non-residential, I think it was the 50-foot buffer yard. And so I think the easy part to do that is probably to reduce those, you know, in proportion to that, holistically, and then keep one set of standards for setbacks, because again, if you've got a 10 acre sit alone, then, you know, I think that kind of defaults and sets it's probably not appropriate for a data center, just market feasibility. I mean, if somebody can make some

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the work on their grade form. It's not going to be a large data center. But yeah, I think, I mean,

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I'm a believer in the contextual approach in a pragmatic manner. I think on the aesthetics,

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if you're asking what would my opinion be, I would say, there's high standards in there. Keep

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those for adjacent to residential. And then what you'll see throughout is three of these

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different elements, three of these different elements. I would recommend you still keep that in,

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but reduce it to one element so you don't just get a big gray box because even our industrial

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buildings, you want a little bit of differentiation as opposed to just some walking into a gray

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box and I don't know what side's blood, right?

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And so, and keep a facade treatment for one facades facing the parking lot.

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That's my preference again.

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My role here is to guide you to what policy direction and decision you want me to implement

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in these regulations.

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So that's why you know you guys get elected to do this and is to provide this to make that decision and our role of staff is always to give you our best advice and I will certainly give you my opinion as I just did.

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As that's part of it but it's ultimately up to you to say yeah I think we need some reduced standards or I think we just have a high standard no matter what and that's where we're going to be.

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You know, again, good, matter and different, you heard Al-Tunai, well, I don't know what

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their standards are.

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They asked to ask for high standards, but I do get down to a level of, you know, what

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I rather have a developer save on that and, you know, potentially maybe get more out

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of your community benefit agreement.

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So I don't know that's, and I don't even know if that's the zero sum game in my opinion.

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I don't know.

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And that's up to you guys again to give me the direction on what the majority preferences

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wrote to go down.

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I think just a point of clarification of what's behind that for me is because I think there's a big difference between the importance of like public safety

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Whether it's like protecting the aquifer or the electric rates or emissions versus like just what a building looks like and that's just my opinion or what type of fencing they use, right?

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So thank you, and I believe the other component to that that we consider and we've all discussed is the preservation and enhancement of a joining property values, right?

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We don't want to do anything that I've always told developers that we want to take actions around you

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You know developers want to invest in a place where their property values aren't just maintained

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But they're increased by the actions that the local body takes regarding land use, right?

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And so that's where that decision needs to happen. Does that matter if you're in a non-residential environment?

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probably not

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If you join residential obviously it matters a lot. I think we can all agree on that

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You just need to let me know what direction you all want to go on that.

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Okay. I'm not so worried about the facade either, depending on where it's located, right?

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If it's, and even on what side of the building that you're looking at, depending on what it's facing,

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I think to asking the question about this total building square footage matter,

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I think it more depends on what kind of noise is coming out.

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It's a larger building, equal more noise, right?

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And that's where I would say the controls we've got

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Keep that constant. So no matter what your size your development is the noise restrictions and when we get there again

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We're it's impossible to have this conversation without some of those. Yeah, that those regulations are constant and keep that to a minimum

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Right, right, and that's where I would say you know, you and I talked about that briefly was you know

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It really doesn't matter when you talk about how much it is because we're still we're still

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still regulating what it could be that impact on public health and safety, as you indicated, Mr. Crow, to those other items that would relate to.

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So you're saying there's a building that requires two generators, or a building that requires ten generators.

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They're still going to have the same noise standards when those generators are operating from the property line.

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Okay, yes, but then will the generators, if those are put outside the building on the side, will those be counted as part of the square footage of the building or will those be allowed into the like, so we're not sending a cap on a limitation on you can, you know, we're not going to cap people at the square footage there.

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So, you know, we're, you know, in a lot of, you know, we could, you know, you can put a flora ratio requirement on there.

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you can say no more than 70 percent of the buildable area can be covered in a

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pervious surface. We weren't really recommending that because of the stormwater

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controls and the way we've built that not to be into the buffer areas. So what we've

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done is we've forced that to the interior which is going to limit that

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developerable site because you're going to have to use that for infrastructure. So

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I mean, that would answer my question. No, I'm just thinking if they put generators

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outside the building along one side of the building. It doesn't count against anything

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Is that's not considered part of the building?

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It has to be within that 200 foot.

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So that's a different question.

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It's considered part of the building if it's structurally connected to the building.

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So if the requirement has been a sound,

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and you'll see on the air quality,

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we've added a little bit more standard than just the sound quality on the generators,

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but they're going to be in a sound attenuating enclosure.

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And so, you know, if that's connected to the building, that enclosure needs to be, you know,

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meet the building code to be actually part of that building or meet its code as to be a standalone in a parallel manner.

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Mitch, do we have, if then, kind of situation where the display that we just saw with all four sides being equal,

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do we have something that would say if the building backs up to industrial, we can reduce it if then-

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Well, that's what I'm asking you to-

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Do we-

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Do we want to do that?

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Yes, I can go through all those imponderables but yeah, okay, you know, it'd be real easy.

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And I think I can go backwards.

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Oh, can, thank you.

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Right.

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Probably easier on the 50 to say okay, you want to let's say that the opposite side of where I put

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the buffer rendering, let's say that's non-residential, then that 100 can go down to 50.

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the one fifty could go down to you know a hundred right do we have that written

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in to where it's like if that I'm asking you do you want me to do that yes

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because if it's backing up to industrial and it's a you know gravel pit or a

415
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junkyard or something that's already industrial it'd be a waste of space

416
00:36:55,940 --> 00:37:03,240
to require so much as if it were you know if it backed up to a cliff or backed up

417
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:12,040
to something, then I think it should be able to be reduced so we're not wasting land useable land.

418
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,600
So I was wondering if we had those if this then we can do that.

419
00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:21,460
You just hit you said the question I was asking a completely different.

420
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,480
Okay, so you don't have that written out though.

421
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,920
We had the reduced when you look at that on the buffers what we did was that buffer was 50 feet when

422
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:38,860
So what I'm thinking is if you join residential, we say we keep it at 100 and then the recommendation we had and there was 50 feet for non residential, we keep that.

423
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:46,360
Then I would ask to apply the setbacks the same way we have a bulk setback of basically what you see here with one exception.

424
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:57,220
I think we had when you went over a certain amount of square footage of building then the buffer area went up to like 300 feet where your setback was 200 those two don't work because you can't have anything in that buffer area.

425
00:37:58,220 --> 00:38:02,800
So that's what we would ask is to be more consistent when you join residential no matter

426
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
how much buildings on there because the intent of the buffer and those setbacks is to mitigate

427
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:07,760
impacts, right?

428
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:11,960
100-foot buffer is big and that landscaping requirement is big.

429
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,260
And so that's why we would say, and I want to keep it as simple as possible because then

430
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:22,020
we start getting into all these if ends or buts.

431
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,340
The simplest manner is to say okay, when you're joining residential it's 200 feet.

432
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:28,620
if that's acceptable and we go through that,

433
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,820
but if you would join anything non-residential,

434
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,200
then these all get reduced essentially by 50 feet.

435
00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:38,350
Is that already written in the draft?

436
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:39,410
We would change that.

437
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:40,350
We would change that.

438
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:41,830
That would be reflected in the draft.

439
00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:42,850
If it was in next two hours.

440
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:45,250
So part of it's in there, like the buffers, right?

441
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:46,830
That's in there, but the setbacks are not.

442
00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:49,110
We would make that consistent and revise that.

443
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:51,530
And then say, no matter what the size,

444
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:52,710
here's what your setbacks are.

445
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:54,090
And here's what the buffer is.

446
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:54,470
Okay.

447
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:56,070
Mr. Ferris.

448
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:58,150
You're still gonna have to do that same buffer requirement

449
00:38:58,150 --> 00:39:00,170
in that 50 feet, they would have to do that 100 feet.

450
00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:06,750
Mr. Barrett, do we see anything in here that's got the minimum impact on, I'm not concerned

451
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:11,570
about commercial and not concern about other adjoining industrial, but I am concerned

452
00:39:11,570 --> 00:39:12,350
about the residential.

453
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:19,430
Even though that we put a distance, let's say 200 feet, but they still have a problem

454
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:19,970
with noise.

455
00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:24,490
I mean, you could take something like a single generator, it's not going to create the

456
00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:30,050
noise and vibrations as 10 generators as an example. So if you have 10 of them at 200 feet

457
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:34,030
that's going to be much louder and much more of a problem then.

458
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:39,790
Again, decibel levels are a constant. Okay, so if I have 10 or 100 you still have to

459
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:42,170
meet that minimum decibel level at the property line.

460
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,750
Okay, well then you also have frequencies that you have to be concerned about.

461
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:50,250
Which are exactly why we included the low frequency requirement as well.

462
00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:55,310
Well, and the requirement for a long down residential property line is continuous monitoring.

463
00:39:55,730 --> 00:40:00,750
And then what happens if one of these go over, I think, a triggers an automated violation

464
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:01,770
and corrective action?

465
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:02,550
Okay.

466
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:04,070
But at what point does that trigger that?

467
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:09,030
Are they given, just like any sign wave, is it, you're going to have a nice and low?

468
00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:15,250
We've worded it that it's immediate and it has to be addressed immediately so that they take

469
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:20,790
action and sure that it's how is it tracked or traced or monitored in a

470
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:23,710
center up for a second because I think we should probably separate these from

471
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:28,290
what standards we want versus what are the enforcements of that and how we're

472
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:32,130
going to measure those as we get through let's first maybe agree on what

473
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:36,450
standards we want and then we can come back and figure out how do we monitor and

474
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:43,210
an enforce and penalize or whatever is it so we're not diving into too many

475
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:46,550
topics on each one of these. Because I think the enforcement and how will

476
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:52,090
monitors probably going to be similar across many of these? Correct. All the way.

477
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:56,010
And again, when we get there, just so you know, so I can let everybody know, we

478
00:40:56,010 --> 00:41:00,490
have up to and including the disconnection of power to the site for for a

479
00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:05,630
day. Yeah. It's a heavy stick for noncompliance, but I don't think, you know,

480
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:09,010
personally, I think given the protections we've got in for all those things.

481
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:12,830
That's what I'm saying. The setbacks only matter on the land use you've got

482
00:41:12,830 --> 00:41:16,950
that it doesn't matter what's going on in there because we have the environmental protection

483
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:21,350
and controls in there, whether you have a million square feet or a hundred thousand square

484
00:41:21,350 --> 00:41:24,510
feet or whether you have one generator or 50 generators.

485
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:29,030
Because they're all required to be in a sound, detainuating enclosure and meet these minimum

486
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:34,390
decibel thresholds including DBCs which are those lower frequency components that, you know,

487
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:37,830
everybody's kind of talked about the hums and some of those items.

488
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:48,750
So Mitch for just coming back to the top of your hand rather than doing an adjacency type thing and I think this might cover what we're talking about.

489
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:56,830
Could we just do if the property lines within a thousand feet of a residential zone or agricultural zone thing or 500 feet?

490
00:41:57,450 --> 00:42:05,310
Because that seems like it would cover if it's surrounded by a business park or something and then there's a residence on the other side.

491
00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:10,970
I mean, we certainly can, I think that's a little problematic, but I mean, I think you're

492
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:15,550
setbacks or you're setbacks, but yeah, I mean, if we want to say, you know, you can...

493
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:21,770
Because I would say go for the lower setback, put that in, and then it can trigger a higher

494
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:24,490
setback if it's got residential agriculture.

495
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:29,810
If that property line's still within a thousand feet of residential, so if you have an industrial

496
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:35,510
a lot and then residential on the other side, then if that's 1,001 feet away, then we want

497
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:37,950
to trigger a residential adjacency requirement.

498
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:38,830
Yeah.

499
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:44,110
It's just like a thought that I had, I don't know how you would implement it.

500
00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:48,870
I would personally say that I think because of the the immensity of the buffers, we have

501
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:55,030
in the already the amount of usable land that we are requiring them to give up.

502
00:42:55,030 --> 00:43:04,550
the idea of a chase like it's touching it is a more I think more efficient way to do that because

503
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:08,810
we've already got these huge buffers in place if it is within a residential we've already got

504
00:43:08,810 --> 00:43:14,250
sound restrictions if it's next to residential so to arbitrarily say if it's just within a thousand

505
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,350
feet or 500 feet even though it's in an industrial park again if it's an industrial park it's an

506
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:24,330
industrial park but if it's on the edge of it and it backs up to residential property where

507
00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:29,070
You've lived there your whole life, and you don't want to see it right up next to you

508
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:33,090
I think that's a different story and it's just in my head as a consistency factor

509
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:35,270
because

510
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:41,050
Especially as things possibly get rezoned and stuff like that we can have all kinds of

511
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:44,270
problems, I think and

512
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:51,430
You know we're trying to make sure these things are consistent and we'll stand up in court, right? That's big part of it

513
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:52,070
Lee Lee defends.

514
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:52,330
William.

515
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:57,930
Mitch, looking at your buffers, so this would just be my recommendation to the council

516
00:43:57,930 --> 00:43:58,210
members.

517
00:43:58,370 --> 00:44:02,950
I think councilman Aaron brings up a good point in terms of if then what if next.

518
00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:10,390
And that is, you have the minimum whatever that you decide to set it at, say just for argument

519
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:11,430
sake, it's 100 feet.

520
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:17,850
But then as the project takes place and obviously most people don't build them in squares, they're

521
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:18,630
in rectangles.

522
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:26,050
There are more than a few hills in Jefferson County so you can back up against hills if you're in a valley.

523
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:30,370
So I think then it becomes a matter of the legislative process.

524
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:37,250
As you go through what those exceptions might be rather than you're not doing a CPU type thing, but what the individual.

525
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:48,290
So you leave it as not as prescriptive as possible so that it gives you the legislative body the most amount of flexibility in what you're going to do with that project when the time comes.

526
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:59,970
Well, in your right, we can't cover, I mean, we can't cover every single thing, but the point you bring up is this very hilly in Jefferson County, and if the back of this my piece of property backs to a piece of residential property, and I got a mountain go hill.

527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Well, behind me, that's never going to, I mean, as infeasably we had developed, then that development plan could come in and say, you know, they could ask for, and this is what we do now, a deviation with that development plan, and we would consider the merits of, okay, you know, I know I'm backing to residential property, but I want a 50 foot setback because nothing is ever going to happen on this side of that mountain, right? And that's something we would, again, consider contextually within the seminal development plan, absolutely.

528
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,400
And yes,

529
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:38,820
Yes, very few times are these perfect squares, but I had the time nor the patience to go

530
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:39,780
through all the other rooms.

531
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:40,500
It was pretty.

532
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:41,540
I just had to give you a heart.

533
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:42,880
So complicated it was now.

534
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,600
So I'll just say this simply, I just think we just need to make sure we're protecting

535
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,080
the residential sides of these.

536
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:55,480
And it might even be not just a residential side, but the two sides that would be closed

537
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
and maybe so many feet even on that.

538
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,880
So just protect the residential sides or that's the key to me.

539
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Thank you.

540
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,100
That's my preference.

541
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:05,300
Everything else is kind of all seen in the same business.

542
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,460
It's commercial, it's whatever.

543
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,160
So we'll do that.

544
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,900
So what we'll do is rule revise two separate standards.

545
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,300
Obviously, as everybody knows,

546
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,320
there's opportunity on any of these,

547
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:17,700
for the applicant to seek a deviation

548
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:19,120
with that development plan,

549
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:21,220
so middle which is analyzed just like we do now.

550
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,400
We go through and analyze America recommendation

551
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,860
to accept or deny that.

552
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:27,440
And I think you've seen us come down on both sides

553
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,560
of those based on as long as I've been here

554
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,080
for two and a half years that we, you've seen ones we have supported and ones that we

555
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,720
are like absolutely not that is not make any sense whatsoever.

556
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:40,060
So, so to go along with that though, it makes sure that we're protecting site sound,

557
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:40,860
air quality.

558
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:41,140
Yep.

559
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:46,440
Everything else has met, you know, max and again that will all apply no matter what you do

560
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,580
you still have to meet those standards.

561
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:48,480
Correct.

562
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,140
We're not changing those standards except, you know, again, I hate to be like, I feel like

563
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:57,200
it's going to be easy when we get to noise now because, you know, we do have a joining

564
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:04,020
not residential add five, that's add five for each one of those, which is what we discussed within the context of those, those presentations.

565
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:06,120
We good?

566
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:11,760
Okay, thank you.

567
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:19,790
Yep, sorry, the bottom one that we talked about.

568
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:23,550
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, Dr. Azam, Mr. Groeke, comment two.

569
00:47:25,090 --> 00:47:30,910
I think we had everything set up the bottom one and it was a really good requirement to add in

570
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:36,110
that the landscaping and including the other standards we put in be native Missouri species.

571
00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:42,130
That was kind of an easy one. Yeah, there was two native and not or wasn't it considered a new

572
00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:46,710
sense? Well, I think we already had the prohibition in there. We carried that. If not, we'll bring

573
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:51,070
that forward. So we have the hearty zone, which has been redefined actually within the last two years

574
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:55,870
for, you know, we used to be split. Now they've given us a weird number. But yeah, you know, it needs

575
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:59,450
to be obviously if it's native, then it's going to be acceptable in that heartiness, but we want to

576
00:47:59,450 --> 00:48:05,130
keep native and keep out invasive. So good. Thank you. Thanks for bringing me back to that.

577
00:48:09,250 --> 00:48:13,950
And Mr. Grotiki did not pay me to keep giving them credit for the comments. So, so there

578
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:19,790
really knows that. Going into the lighting requirement for lighting photometric plan, again,

579
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:25,390
0.1 foot candle at residential property lines 0.5 at non-residential speed. You see this

580
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:29,550
standard throughout differently. Dark sky requirement, sight lighting to comply with

581
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:32,070
IES Eliminating Engineer Society Standards.

582
00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:37,250
We have differing requirements for the lighting of horizontal and non-horizontal surfaces,

583
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:37,910
as we discussed.

584
00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:43,190
Put a cap on light pole standards, which is pretty consistent business parks and industrial

585
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:44,150
parks at 20 feet.

586
00:48:44,590 --> 00:48:47,230
It prevents us from having a lot of other problems.

587
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:53,430
The required reduction in lighting after hours, automated lighting controls and security emergency

588
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:54,490
lighting requirements.

589
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:58,590
the operational requirements for operational maintenance standards.

590
00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:04,450
One of the items we had in there, and I'm going to see how I covered this real quick,

591
00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:14,530
if you give me one second, so I can catch up to my notes here, is we've capped that maximum color at 3000K.

592
00:49:14,830 --> 00:49:18,450
And you remember we showed that. That's a very soft white. That's the standard,

593
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:23,330
not to make sure that we're really helping control that. You've got the automatic controls after hours.

594
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:28,650
you see a lot of those things built in and those should remain no matter what you're adjacent to.

595
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:33,530
The only exception again we had was that one minor increase in foot candle lines at non-residential

596
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:38,870
properties which you wouldn't even notice. We don't need and this was something we talked about.

597
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:43,970
We had a lot of language in the presentation talking about sensitive environmental habitat area

598
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:49,050
protection for lighting standards because all of those protections already built into the high

599
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:54,190
standards we've said. And a lot of places struggle to define, you know, what's

600
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:56,690
habitat protection areas. So the default

601
00:49:56,690 --> 00:50:00,350
head seems to have been moving to the contemporary approach of

602
00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:03,830
treat everything as a sensitive habitat and have these high standards built in.

603
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:09,820
Noise before you move on because I just found another one that I don't think we

604
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,540
just like making me want to. I do like that you use that other button on your

605
00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:16,300
screen. I figured out how to use it. Because this was brought up in progress through

606
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,480
through five meetings. And we talked about, you know, when we do the

607
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:25,020
buffers and the plants that we should make sure that this year round opaque and you said well that

608
00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:29,980
would be all evergreen if it was plants so we needed to have supplemental types of wheat buffer

609
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:34,600
requirements. And so in that buffer requirement we built in a requirement for ever greens and if

610
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,960
you want to supplement the taller conifers versus a normal evergreen requirement at planning and then

611
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,040
for maturity of I believe it three years. Okay, so it does deal. So we've got that. Yes absolutely

612
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,440
correct. And then, you know, to take it one step further and not rewind my slides, but the

613
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,780
conversation to the aesthetic controls was, you know, we're requiring those to be fully opaque,

614
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:59,840
10-foot enclosures around, like, your utility stations and stuff like that to make sure

615
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,960
that we're screening that visibility and minimizing those impacts, which is standard now anyway.

616
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:10,320
I mean, that's a very standard practice. Again, what we're doing is, I feel like in a lot of these

617
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,300
instances we're starting to upgrade our standards to where everybody else is on some of these basic

618
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:23,840
industrial large scale development standards. So okay on noise we'll go through let's talk about

619
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,080
where we're at on noise and again this one should be pretty easy we've got the separate caps for

620
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:33,940
daytime and nighttime, separate caps on both the maximum DBA and the low frequency that DBC so

621
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:39,820
Mr. Talk I believe that addresses your question as you can see we put those daytime limits 7 to 10

622
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:48,380
at 55 low frequency at 65 and again you can see where we add on 50 generally that's like when

623
00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:54,780
you're looking at 50 55 range that's moderate rainfall so I guess the noise will be a level that

624
00:51:54,780 --> 00:52:00,400
if you do live next you're going to have a good nap and then the night time from 10 to 7 we've lowered

625
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,720
those by five, from 50 DBA to 60 DBA.

626
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:09,460
And again, those limits apply to adjoining properties

627
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:13,380
being zoned or uses residential, institutional,

628
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,680
agricultural with the dwelling,

629
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,580
or adjoining property is non-residential.

630
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,260
Those can be increased by five DBA.

631
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,520
Again, you see that sliding scale applied there.

632
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,720
So even if you take that maximum during day from 55 to 60,

633
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:33,940
you're at basically normal conversation level,

634
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,580
joining to non-residential during the day, highest level.

635
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,300
The noise limits on emergency generators include the requirement for enclosure and a stand on detaining enclosure.

636
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:52,860
We noticed we had one mess in here, again, that we're asking the committee to amend it to include all emergency diesel generators

637
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:56,680
shall be fully enclosed in sound and emission attenuating housings.

638
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,780
So again, a little bit more environmental control there.

639
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,080
That's the common practice now.

640
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:06,880
As designed to reduce noise, particulate and gaseous emissions escaping into adjacent properties.

641
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,920
We do have limits on the cooling system noise.

642
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,840
We have post-construction compliant testing requirements included, as well as that ongoing sound monitoring

643
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,520
required when you are adjacent to residential property lines.

644
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,820
questions on any of that. Where do you add the stuff about the tier four? That's

645
00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:34,220
supposed to be here. Later. Later. Okay. In energy. See, it's all over. That was my

646
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:37,760
mess. We had that the whole time. I hit it 30 times. And like I said, I looked at

647
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,920
this. I did a word search and I couldn't believe I messed that one. But yes, that's an

648
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,520
energy. And if I didn't address it, I'll go back and tell you where it is. But I'm

649
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,780
I'm pretty sure I'll put this on as a note.

650
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,840
Mitch, look right here.

651
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,000
Boom, on cue, thank you, Councilman Brown.

652
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,200
We have a great team.

653
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,420
Do you want me to go back now?

654
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:57,260
Are you gonna make me go back?

655
00:53:57,780 --> 00:53:59,020
I have a question, but the last one.

656
00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:01,140
I do have a question with the last.

657
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:03,340
You know, you're talking about noise and peak levels.

658
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:06,620
I'm assuming you're talking about normal conditions.

659
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,840
What happens if something goes wrong with the motor or?

660
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,940
So in an emergency situation, you do suspend those.

661
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:18,040
So if they're all fully operating, I'm not aware of anywhere setting limits on that because

662
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,180
they always have the clause.

663
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,400
Every single ordinance I've seen, I haven't seen one that has, here's limits in emergency

664
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,980
situation if they're all running a full capacity emergency situation that those go on.

665
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:35,320
Which is why within that energy requirement, when we move to the next one, you need to first

666
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,920
explore the utilization of battery energy storage systems, buses, and you need to prove to

667
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,140
us that's not feasible to even go to generators, because that eliminates those problems.

668
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:51,740
But yeah, I'm not aware of any low jurisdiction, I'm not saying it's not out there, but I'm

669
00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:55,880
not aware of any that regulate in those emergency conditions, because those are very limited

670
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,460
in duration.

671
00:54:57,580 --> 00:55:00,440
But do we define what an emergency situation is?

672
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:06,880
If you want me to, I think it's self-evident, because of everything else we say you can't use

673
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,740
generators for.

674
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:13,720
I just want to make sure whose emergency maybe is the, well you can't use it for, you

675
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:17,400
know, you can't use it to not pay, you know, not use your power, you can't use it for

676
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:24,040
shaving. You know, I think we say non-emergency situations. So, you know, in the event of,

677
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,360
you know, a power outage to the site that is not caused by the operator, I think, you know,

678
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,800
if you want it, would like us to put clarification language in there, it's a simple thing to do.

679
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,500
If I could piggyback on that, I'm less concerned with what is an emergency rather than

680
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:45,840
Defining an allowable duration of an emergency. Well, I mean, I don't know. Talk to I was just in Nashville and

681
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,260
You know their schools that have been out for seven days because they don't have power

682
00:55:51,260 --> 00:55:56,700
I don't know I mean I would be there to engine on the kind of emergency obviously. I think there's a difference between like equipment

683
00:55:56,700 --> 00:56:05,480
About function in the data center versus the the external conditions right versus what are they saying act of God right because they're

684
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:08,540
internal, I mean, you know, I work with one of the other.

685
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:11,160
Manufacturing company that doesn't maintain anything

686
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,680
and them not maintaining things does not necessitate it.

687
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:17,700
The employers not watch, which is what.

688
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:20,680
Well, it's been in all my employers in the sheet metal industry,

689
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:22,360
they don't like to maintain anything, so.

690
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,560
You're right, which is why I was saying,

691
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,680
who's emergency, right?

692
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:26,280
It's like, who defines the emergency?

693
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,940
I can help you with the resume, if you need to,

694
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,320
after that kind of, that's fine.

695
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:32,220
I mean, we can do that.

696
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,880
And I think what we can do is a couple limits

697
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,860
and their number one can't be an act of, you know, the operator, okay. And, you know,

698
00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:43,020
an emergency is defined by a situation where the operators control essentially an act of

699
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:48,460
God. That's why I said, I think, you know, I don't know, I'll go personally if I had a generator,

700
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:52,040
my power went out and you told me I could only run it for eight hours, I'd probably tell you,

701
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,220
well, I'm not saying. But I think that's legitimate and that's what these are all based on,

702
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,080
which is what you see. So I think what we'll do is we'll narrowly construe what an emergency is,

703
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:07,940
Right, and in the revised draft and leave it at that with those two items if that's a satisfaction of the committee

704
00:57:13,570 --> 00:57:19,170
That addressed a number of my questions the only other concern that I had really was was the average noise for instance

705
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:25,490
If it's if you have one if it's if it's at 60 is the limit and it goes for 61 or 62

706
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:28,110
Just for a split second. That's one thing

707
00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:31,450
But what happens if it goes for another you know 10 minutes is that is that a big deal?

708
00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:35,950
Well, that's an exceedance and if it goes back it's a corrective action and I mean

709
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:40,370
And if you want to and we go into enforcement, we can be a little bit more detailed in how

710
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:46,210
that is so that you don't have the opportunity to go 10 minutes over 20 times a day or something

711
00:57:46,210 --> 00:57:47,170
like that.

712
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:47,990
I get it.

713
00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:53,170
Well, there's a difference between going 20 times a day and then going 20 minutes and once

714
00:57:53,170 --> 00:57:53,470
a month.

715
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:58,930
What happens with the, it's easier to say if you go over, it's a violation and here's what's

716
00:57:58,930 --> 00:58:03,470
going to happen versus, okay, well, we're going to give you so many bites at the apple until

717
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:07,210
we have a problem because then you always have a reset and everybody plays really smart.

718
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:13,630
That's why we wanted the ongoing sound monitoring so that we would essentially, you know, we

719
00:58:13,630 --> 00:58:16,890
would be notified if there's an exceedance on the noise, right?

720
00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:24,090
And that's the thing we had was the implementation of the constant sound monitoring at the property

721
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:25,430
lines that are non-residential.

722
00:58:25,850 --> 00:58:30,190
So, you know, we can look at that if there's some places that have that to find it, just

723
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:33,450
the more we do the harder it is for us to deal with these items when they happen.

724
00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:35,010
It's easier to just be cleaner about that.

725
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:40,610
Someone very much smarter than me suggested that when it comes to these like defining

726
00:58:40,610 --> 00:58:45,650
emergencies, like the EPA and their Clean Air Act already has an emergency engine rule for

727
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:50,550
backup generators, so maybe that might be a definition that we want to go ahead.

728
00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:54,630
Yeah, I mean, it's easy to punt to an emergency as defined by the EPA, and...

729
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:54,770
Right.

730
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:59,910
I mean, the stipulations are already there of like what it, I mean, that's obviously

731
00:58:59,910 --> 00:59:00,450
easier.

732
00:59:01,030 --> 00:59:01,110
Yeah.

733
00:59:01,410 --> 00:59:04,250
So then it's another entity that's defining us and not us.

734
00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:05,250
A forward is to.

735
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:05,730
Yeah.

736
00:59:06,290 --> 00:59:06,910
Thank you.

737
00:59:07,230 --> 00:59:11,950
And what is the standard for just like a regular plan industrial warehouse or manufacturing

738
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:13,030
facility or whatever?

739
00:59:13,310 --> 00:59:18,970
I mean, are these, are we setting the same limits as we would with the, not right now, but

740
00:59:18,970 --> 00:59:22,490
my recommend days when we go through the EDO is a lot of these will be applied to that.

741
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:28,650
right now, it's generally, I mean, pretty wide open while, while west, hard to monitor

742
00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:33,550
that. So, you know, I would say a lot of these will apply to new and then I think, you

743
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:38,230
know, we would, you know, as you've all noticed, we have had an issue with dealing with noise

744
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:43,950
complaints. So, parallel to this would be, and this is, again, something I did when we were

745
00:59:43,950 --> 00:59:48,570
in Maryland Heights was, we set, you know, noise limits for these generators because they

746
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:52,270
became a big thing in the early 2000s associated with office buildings.

747
00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:59,470
It was in an environment that was adjacent to another community's residential areas.

748
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,420
So, Maryland House was a very good neighbor, and they set these requirements for the emergency generators, and then they adopted a revised noise ordinance. It made a very, very objective to enforce, right? And it brought those two items together. Now be something that you would see us take action for moving forward when we talk about UDO amendments.

749
01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:32,820
I mean, please, let me know. I'm just kidding. I mean, the noise is big. I mean, that's what we're on. These ones that are a lot of concerns.

750
01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:36,040
and there are a lot of concerns for the residents of this county.

751
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:37,400
I mean, we've all gotten impacts on that,

752
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:39,920
but it's also concerns related to other matters

753
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,200
that we quite frankly don't have very good controls on.

754
01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:43,660
And you've seen that.

755
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,320
I think you've all brought a complaint in the frustrating manner

756
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,940
that I've seen that, you know, we have loose controls

757
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:52,500
that it's not the Sheriff's Department,

758
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,380
nor my department's fault on code enforcement

759
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:58,160
that we just don't have what we need to enforce that, right?

760
01:00:58,820 --> 01:01:00,900
And that'll be a conversation for a different day,

761
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:01,680
but related to these.

762
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,460
I think we have very good controls on noise.

763
01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:11,910
Energy. Again, here's your tier four. That's the one we're asking go in.

764
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:17,910
It's the management of peak loads, renewable energy requirements. I didn't know if anybody had questions about that.

765
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:26,570
I saw, you know, I know there was one question about that, you know, what if the power company wanted to say,

766
01:01:26,690 --> 01:01:33,130
no, well, they don't, they don't have that because that's off grid. So, you know, if we set a standard and again,

767
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:35,870
and it was simple, I think the 40% was a standard

768
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:39,450
we included in the ordinance upon opening

769
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:41,950
and that's solar panels on the building

770
01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:43,250
and maybe a couple in the field.

771
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:45,330
You know, I think it's reasonable,

772
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:47,930
I also think it provides protection to the grid.

773
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:50,310
It's not that tall of a hurdle to get over.

774
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:53,510
However, again, that's up to the purview

775
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:56,250
of the Council on the committee to provide,

776
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:59,950
if you believe that's to high or just right.

777
01:02:00,290 --> 01:02:02,510
The specific question I have with respect to that

778
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:11,310
It's who is ultimately who ultimately makes the determination and con Jefferson County imposes as a condition if the utility provider does not agree or unable to go

779
01:02:11,310 --> 01:02:13,670
The utility provider has no purview over that

780
01:02:14,850 --> 01:02:20,690
The hammer can't say you can't use renewable in fact. I think they'd probably be in trouble if they told somebody you can't put solar panels on

781
01:02:21,890 --> 01:02:24,050
But we have the right to impose that

782
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:29,410
Yeah, I mean we can't tell you who to get power from that is regulated through the state and that we're going to regulate state

783
01:02:29,410 --> 01:02:35,550
But how you how you provide that with renewables that is a common one across the whole country and regulate and deregulate state

784
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:38,930
So it comes to power for these developments as a renewable requirement

785
01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:40,410
So so

786
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,500
if you set that 40% threshold then that goes along with that power analysis at the beginning that okay

787
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,480
Prove to us the solar is providing 40% of

788
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:54,280
Your operational demands and again

789
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:58,040
Common practice that's the one we talked about and brought in here

790
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:03,840
So, but any any any event it would be under our control or under the control of the county. Yes. Okay.

791
01:03:05,620 --> 01:03:06,020
Okay,

792
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,260
and really I mean, I think that covered the energy, you know, the evaluation of the

793
01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:19,260
buses was a big one. We've done everything we can in here to, you know, require the impact, you

794
01:03:19,260 --> 01:03:24,160
know, have that impact analysis. There's some things we didn't include like, you know, give us your

795
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,960
annual usage. I think that there's some core cases that says we can't do that. So there were

796
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:34,860
items that legally, that are private, that we don't have per view over, but we believe

797
01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:39,180
we've provided these protections to ensure that energy levels good.

798
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,960
As a side note, there was information that came out from Amarin within the last week that

799
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,520
was very specifically focused on large capacity users, and their absolute ability to provide

800
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:56,240
power to these types of developments that includes data centers with no adverse impacts to residential

801
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,500
users and the rates.

802
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:03,260
So that was something that Amber and Proactively came out with and I believe that's you can find

803
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:06,580
down their website that message. So the

804
01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:11,570
new question, the new section that we're recommending to add

805
01:04:11,570 --> 01:04:19,750
in for air quality, the purpose statement easy. First is an air quality impact assessment application.

806
01:04:20,770 --> 01:04:26,250
You know, it is going to be by a qualified professional that addresses diesel generator emissions,

807
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:31,590
cooling system refrigerants and leakage potential, construction phase emissions, cumulative

808
01:04:31,590 --> 01:04:36,770
impacts from all phases of development, compliance with Modi and R and other applicable EPA standards.

809
01:04:37,350 --> 01:04:43,230
The county may require modeling of particular matter, nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide,

810
01:04:43,610 --> 01:04:48,970
volatile organic compounds and greenhouse gases, cooling system emissions and refrigerants that

811
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:54,470
use refrigerants that have that global warming, we talked about that less than 750, unless

812
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:57,430
less technically infeasible, that's a objective finding.

813
01:04:58,050 --> 01:05:00,110
I don't believe that would be technically infeasible

814
01:05:00,110 --> 01:05:01,710
because that is possible, but that's now,

815
01:05:01,790 --> 01:05:02,850
everybody has in their language.

816
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:05,850
Facilities maintain a refrigerant management plan

817
01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:07,670
that includes leak detection systems,

818
01:05:07,850 --> 01:05:09,890
annual reporting of refrigerant uses and losses,

819
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:12,610
and immediate corrective action upon detection

820
01:05:12,610 --> 01:05:14,090
of a leak that exceeds 50 pounds.

821
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:16,910
Reporting compliance facilities,

822
01:05:17,070 --> 01:05:19,470
shall submit a semi-annual air quality compliance report

823
01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:21,490
to the county that includes generator test logs,

824
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:27,430
emissions data, refrigerant leakage reports, and notices a violations issued by Modi and RAPA.

825
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:31,430
And we serve the right to perform inspections and require a third party audit set the expense

826
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:32,630
of the owner operator.

827
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:37,230
And that was the portion we did just add in, relayed air quality.

828
01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:38,710
Questions?

829
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:46,200
That's what they all say.

830
01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:47,680
Who's the best?

831
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,240
My mom and church.

832
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:51,620
Water usage.

833
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:57,740
Moving on to water, again, we really want to hit public utility, public utility for water

834
01:05:57,740 --> 01:06:01,980
There is required where available the developers required to extend to the site and thereby providing

835
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:05,800
the opportunity for customers to tap on utilize its cell that serves from well water.

836
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,420
We also have the requirement for disclosure that proposed cooling technology and maximum

837
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:15,220
daily water demand, requirement for the use of liquid, cooled, closed loop, limited evaporation

838
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:15,940
cooling systems.

839
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:21,700
Here's a question and direction I think I know the answer but to ask it, do we add in the requirement

840
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:27,320
or the most advanced efficient cooling system at project development and upon any system upgrades

841
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,800
are improvements. So that we have that requirement. I've seen every nod and yes.

842
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:36,240
I think though it needs to stipulate as long as that advanced efficient cooling system

843
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:41,720
does it mean that you move from a closed loop system where you start consuming water?

844
01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:45,400
Well, that's the efficiency we need on the water usage. That reduces the water.

845
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,800
So you're talking about efficiency? This isn't a water efficiency, but they might say,

846
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,600
hey, this is more efficient at cooling, but it means more efficient water use.

847
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,600
The goal here is to say, yeah, quit using water.

848
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:58,660
Don't use water.

849
01:06:58,660 --> 01:06:59,320
So thank you.

850
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:00,500
Very simple, right?

851
01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:01,420
Don't use water.

852
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:01,840
Yeah.

853
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:06,040
And again, that's, I think, as we've gone through the,

854
01:07:06,340 --> 01:07:08,840
you know, each session, the discussion of the items,

855
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:10,980
the information, the pros and cons,

856
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,720
the approach to minimize, you know,

857
01:07:14,580 --> 01:07:17,220
any opportunity for these to have negative impacts, right?

858
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,820
The water aquifer along with, you know,

859
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:21,140
the energy grid and everything else.

860
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,840
So that's why you're seeing that.

861
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:29,400
So that that's I mean, it's simply stated. Don't use much water. Well, we can kind of we'll clean that language up and add that in there, then.

862
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:42,200
The other one is we the developer to provide verification from the public water supply district regarding adequate supply capacity and adequate treatment distribution system capacity given the comments we got.

863
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:51,740
You know, would you like us to add an requirement for that they also need to demonstrate no adverse impacts to the supplying aquifer be utilized by the public water district.

864
01:07:52,540 --> 01:07:55,840
because that was a big conversation. The water does come from somewhere, right?

865
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,700
And if you're not on the river, it comes from down in the ground. Again, you know,

866
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,640
part of a community that had their water treatment plant that you could pump

867
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,860
almost 8 million gallons a day and it would never even drop by one inch the

868
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:14,180
aquifer level because of the rich supply that went up that side of the river

869
01:08:14,180 --> 01:08:20,580
along the Missouri River. And so that would be, you know, an idea that if you guys

870
01:08:20,580 --> 01:08:24,960
are interested. We can clean that up a little bit and include that as a requirement as well.

871
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,460
I do have a comment are we going to be requiring hybrid systems because that's what they're doing.

872
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,320
They did the last I think three or four up in the Altoona's head, water and air because during the

873
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,180
summer, summertime, summertime they use water but during the wintertime they bring in most of their

874
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:42,360
wheelings. We're just requiring it to be the most efficient, you know, and that's where I think if

875
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:47,220
you put in put that in with the air cooling, again the noise impacts and all that apply again.

876
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:52,140
You know, I can look at some language, if that's what you want, or we can say it needs

877
01:08:52,140 --> 01:08:56,960
to be closed lit, most advanced water efficient technology, which I think brings into those

878
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:57,740
hybrid systems.

879
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,440
They're going to want to use those anyway, you know, they want to use the most efficient

880
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:03,500
models they can.

881
01:09:03,820 --> 01:09:07,060
Obviously, the more water they can see, the more they pay for the operation, so it's in

882
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:08,480
their benefit to bring that down.

883
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:13,240
So, if that's a pleasure we can add that in, you know, kind of, or include that within

884
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,520
the most efficient technology.

885
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,640
I'm just don't concerned about that it states limited evaporation cooling that we're

886
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,940
even allowing, even if it's limited, it's unefaporation.

887
01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:28,240
I don't know if it's possible to have no evaporation, but again, those start to get

888
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,840
into engineering technical specifics that it's really hard to find out what the truth is.

889
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:37,170
So I don't know if that's true statement.

890
01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:40,810
I don't mean you're going to have evaporation, but it's not evaporation that's being consumed

891
01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:41,530
out of the system.

892
01:09:41,530 --> 01:09:44,890
If it's a closed loop system, I think we said this before.

893
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:52,190
If you're evaporating water out of your closed-loop system and you have a problem, I mean I can look at better language

894
01:09:52,190 --> 01:09:56,750
That's what's out there. So let's go up to you guys if you want me to look and see if there's something better out there

895
01:09:56,750 --> 01:10:00,330
We can certainly do that because it's those evaporation those kind of kind of

896
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:08,150
Their hybrid systems they might be closed loop but they're also using evaporated methods to cool those and that waters evaporate

897
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:14,670
That's water. You have to constantly replenish for that system and those closed-loop take it from like we said about three to five million

898
01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:20,350
gallons a day done about a half a million gallons. So I mean I can look and see what else is

899
01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:24,030
out there if you want me to bring some other kind of language in there and again provide it

900
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:31,170
in their revised draft. Mitch should we include something like a prohibitation of once-through water

901
01:10:31,170 --> 01:10:38,010
cooling in there. So it's plain. Say that again. Once-through water cooling. I think we've already done

902
01:10:38,010 --> 01:10:43,330
that in here but if we want to, if we want to overtly say that, it never hurts. You know what I mean

903
01:10:43,330 --> 01:10:46,810
I mean, that makes it plain that you just can't flush the water through.

904
01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:49,070
Because I mean, I think I saw some language unless it's been removed.

905
01:10:49,190 --> 01:10:55,650
I talked about blowdown, which talks about cooling towers, which then is not a close,

906
01:10:55,810 --> 01:11:00,770
that kind of means that you're using a lot of water.

907
01:11:01,070 --> 01:11:01,170
Yeah.

908
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:02,790
We can look at that.

909
01:11:02,930 --> 01:11:04,830
I can tighten this up and see what you guys think.

910
01:11:05,070 --> 01:11:09,690
Like I said, the engine here, I don't believe any of us are water engineers or understand

911
01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:10,690
the aquifer fully.

912
01:11:10,690 --> 01:11:15,270
No, that's why I think you put the best, but there's a lot of information there that you know

913
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:21,030
Where's the technology at and it's always improving the one thing you always see is you know the most advanced

914
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:24,690
efficient technology kind of as a as a throwaway on all this right

915
01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:26,630
um, and you know

916
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:33,450
We can clarify that and it certainly never has hurts to be overt in a prohibition as well. Can we?

917
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:37,550
Go ahead. Oh, can we add to that most efficient

918
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:47,090
technology that is the least affects the public.

919
01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:53,370
So like they said, if there's a better technology but it's not as good for the community,

920
01:11:53,990 --> 01:12:01,850
that if you're going to say the most efficient technology, but the least negative effects

921
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:02,450
on.

922
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:08,950
So again, here's all I would say on that because, you know, no matter what you do, you

923
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:10,190
stuff to meet all these other things.

924
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:14,310
So if it's going to have an adverse impact, then it's going to either be noise or whatever.

925
01:12:14,530 --> 01:12:17,770
It's going to have to fall within the parameters we've set on these other items.

926
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:23,830
So right, and that's what I think, you know, when we say the most efficient technology, they

927
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:27,950
have to put something in there that is also going to operate within the parameters of these

928
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:32,910
other limits that we've set on the other, and I'm going to call them environmental impacts.

929
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:37,030
This is what we call light air, you know, all those things, so we can do it.

930
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:42,970
We're able to add something where I'll kind of say the spirit of what I'm thinking.

931
01:12:43,130 --> 01:12:47,710
You can figure out the language, but in the event of like a disruption to the available

932
01:12:47,710 --> 01:12:50,730
water supply, residential use, shall take priority.

933
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:58,690
Yeah, I mean, we could we could certainly do that.

934
01:12:58,790 --> 01:13:02,210
I think you've already got that in there with the demonstration that you can't have any adverse

935
01:13:02,210 --> 01:13:10,710
impacts to the residential supply. Just to really clarify that, I mean, I mean, up to, you know,

936
01:13:11,090 --> 01:13:15,270
balance of the committee, but doesn't the Missouri State Statues now require that? Yeah, yeah.

937
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:18,070
And on the electric as well. Yep.

938
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,760
Anything else? So, Mitch, I mean, just get into this second. So,

939
01:13:24,980 --> 01:13:31,060
if a site gets approved and say the developer wants to put in their own well,

940
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:34,560
Well, we're going to put any kind of prohibitation on that.

941
01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:36,620
They have to connect the public utility.

942
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:37,940
Excuse me?

943
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,660
They have to be connected to public water.

944
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:43,340
So, so they will not allow any wells on.

945
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:46,100
No, I mean, we're saying that.

946
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,980
It doesn't mean that they can't ask for a deviation.

947
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,120
I would tell you not to approve that.

948
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:51,980
I don't know why we would say that.

949
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:55,160
You know, that's the intent is to make sure they're being served by public water

950
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,920
and they don't have those other adverse impacts.

951
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:00,120
But yeah, essentially what we put is you have the fundamental requirement

952
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,600
to connect to public utilities, water and sewer.

953
01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:08,990
Okay, because the concern has been brought up about penetration

954
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:11,430
into the aquifer below the ground level water

955
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:13,110
and draining the aquifer.

956
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:14,750
And that's why we're telling that.

957
01:14:15,290 --> 01:14:15,390
Okay.

958
01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:18,430
Now again, it doesn't stop somebody from coming in here

959
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:20,210
and want to make it as for deviations

960
01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:21,450
from every single thing you share.

961
01:14:21,570 --> 01:14:22,090
There's a proof here.

962
01:14:23,050 --> 01:14:23,230
Right.

963
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:26,330
We have developers I feel like they'd like to do that.

964
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:30,670
But, you know, that's up to our role to evaluate those requests

965
01:14:30,670 --> 01:14:31,530
for deviations.

966
01:14:31,530 --> 01:14:37,150
and for you guys ultimately make that decision, but yeah, as this stands now, we would allow

967
01:14:37,150 --> 01:14:39,850
that to pass mustered. Mustered?

968
01:14:42,490 --> 01:14:46,150
Well, I think the, you know, the prohibition or restriction

969
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:50,890
should be such a real high level because this board changes. And that's what we have been

970
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:55,510
beginning. You know, you're very beginning. It says, it's required. We have that up front

971
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:59,670
and then we've reinforced that throughout on the wastewater and the water side.

972
01:15:00,660 --> 01:15:27,280
We haven't got to the meat of the steak yet, which is your CBAs. So the other requirement we put in, so we've got a requirement for monthly water consumption and then a requirement for utilization of reclaimed water to the maximums that are practical. Normally, where you see that is your stormwater to be reclaimed for any irrigation system systems you have for your landscaping. And so that's really, you know, we want to make sure that's included and that we don't have an additional water consumption.

973
01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:36,020
that it has to be provided by a district for irrigation or other on-site items that you could use reclaimed water for.

974
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:44,820
With wastewater, we have a requirement for wastewater impact assessment provided by a licensed engineer.

975
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:55,680
Again, at the end, we want to add in a requirement to clarify licensed engineer be professionally licensed PE in the state of Missouri with a specialization of wastewater.

976
01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:05,400
There isn't a wastewater engineer, but there are engineers that have a focus in water, there's engineers that have a focus in wastewater, so we would want them to have a demonstrated practice area of that.

977
01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:13,500
That's a question I had throughout this document where you're requiring qualified engineer are in another part licensed professional.

978
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:22,880
I think all those different areas should be a third party and an engineer that's specific study.

979
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:30,580
We don't go to a brain surgeon for hard work, you know, things of that nature, but I think it should be specified for that particular type of engineer out where we can.

980
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:31,240
Absolutely.

981
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:31,740
Yep.

982
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:42,780
I won't get into what all goes into that impact assessment, but there's pre-treatment requirements, cooling system waste water requirements, brine and high salinity waste water requirements.

983
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,120
floor management requirements addressing the reduction of peak discharge rates and

984
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,420
surcharges prohibited discharge requirements and requirements for semiannual reporting.

985
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,020
And we always clarify when we say semiannual that's every six months a lot of people like

986
01:17:00,020 --> 01:17:05,140
to think oh that's by annual every two years it's semiannual reporting to the county and

987
01:17:05,140 --> 01:17:08,460
and respective wastewater district storm

988
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:17,500
water management the requirements in here we have

989
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:19,540
to have a stormwater management plan to be submitted,

990
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:21,960
requirement for stormwater quality control includes guidance

991
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,360
on best management practices,

992
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,140
ground water protection, and spill prevention.

993
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,700
We will also put in here a good comment.

994
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,120
We got to clarify that BMP inspections are conducted

995
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,580
by a third party entity selected by the county

996
01:17:33,580 --> 01:17:34,720
and paid for by the developer.

997
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:38,880
Requirements, we already have included requirements

998
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,640
to guard against extreme storm impacts

999
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,860
and provide flood resilience.

1000
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:44,220
Requirements for the prevention

1001
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:45,620
and non-stormwater discharge.

1002
01:17:46,420 --> 01:18:13,420
That's referred to as infiltration so that we don't have any discharge going into the public waste water system utility integration requirements, and that's those downspouts and other items so that we don't have that we're treating that separately requirement for fire suppression emergency water management in the event there is a fire and it has to be fought to make sure that those things do not get in the storm water system, and then therefore get into the greater watershed and our creeks.

1003
01:18:14,140 --> 01:18:17,960
There are construction and phasing requirements, mainly that they all have to work together

1004
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,520
holistically as any phasing happens.

1005
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,540
Long-term ownership and operations and maintenance, so on in requirements.

1006
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:32,780
As you can see, I left municipal from county because I will tell you, I stole some of this

1007
01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:37,720
language from other places and I at least caught that I left commonwealth in at one point.

1008
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:58,940
So, but again, Virginia has a lot of really good requirements that we're easy to take so we'll change the municipal to county and then we'll change county storm drainage system to any again good catch that we don't really have a storm water system like MSD but we don't want that going into any storm drainage system.

1009
01:18:58,940 --> 01:19:05,940
I mean, I got a quick question that where it says in erosion and sediment control storm

1010
01:19:05,940 --> 01:19:12,160
right managed at design manual, should we include something in there that states any revision

1011
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:17,500
of that manual automatically goes into effect or something of that nature system?

1012
01:19:17,940 --> 01:19:18,900
We can do that.

1013
01:19:19,220 --> 01:19:22,100
Initially, when I thought that it'd be like, well, if we revise that, that's applicable,

1014
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:27,320
but what I want to make sure happens is in some cases, if there's a revision, then that

1015
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:31,160
may change some redesign of that stormwater management system.

1016
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:36,220
So that's a conversation that, you know, if you want it to always be consistent with the

1017
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:36,980
most current version.

1018
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,120
Those typically don't change much, and I can tell you that I've had a lot of conversations

1019
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:46,300
with Mr. Cook, you know, we have a really good set of drafts that we're just itching to get

1020
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:50,500
forward on these, that really put us in a really good position, a much better position

1021
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:54,280
where now we're, we've come a long way on stormwater management on the new development

1022
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:59,620
versus the stuff that happened 10 years ago versus when I was here from 97 to 99, which

1023
01:19:59,620 --> 01:20:06,720
was pretty much nothing, right? But it was the way it was everywhere. And so we think that

1024
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,600
usually once those standards are set there around for 10 or 15 years, but we can provide a note

1025
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,320
in there to be compliant with the most reasonably adopted version or however we want to do that.

1026
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:25,300
Mitch, speaking of Mr. Cook, I couldn't refine it just now, but I took a note here that he mentioned

1027
01:20:25,300 --> 01:20:26,880
and in your presentation that you mentioned,

1028
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:28,780
stream channel grade protection,

1029
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:31,940
and that was a great thing from him,

1030
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,960
and you wanted to see more of that.

1031
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:36,060
In the regulations, was that added?

1032
01:20:36,860 --> 01:20:37,680
I don't think it was.

1033
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,640
But Mike did review the storm water section,

1034
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,180
and gave me some really great input and revisions

1035
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:44,220
that you see in this draft.

1036
01:20:44,860 --> 01:20:47,760
So what I'll do is, quite frankly, I'll punt to Mike

1037
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,720
and ask him to give me some draft language for that,

1038
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,420
if that's the pleasure of the committee to include.

1039
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,260
I think it's in section C4.

1040
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:54,980
Was it on page 19?

1041
01:20:56,340 --> 01:21:02,380
That's so much blind faith, I have a mic, probably not good, but I don't know where it

1042
01:21:02,380 --> 01:21:02,860
mentions this.

1043
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:03,360
Which section?

1044
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:05,140
It does mention that one time there.

1045
01:21:14,850 --> 01:21:15,970
I'm sorry to make it.

1046
01:21:17,700 --> 01:21:22,560
It says the county may require additional detention, downstream system improvements and stream

1047
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,300
channel grade protection, if modeling shows adverse impacts.

1048
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:26,960
There you go.

1049
01:21:30,460 --> 01:21:38,980
Well, I mean, Mike's got a really good command on this, and that's why I had him look at it and give me some changes that we integrated.

1050
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,380
So, I'm glad that was in there.

1051
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:41,780
So,

1052
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:50,910
site closure, decommissioning and remediation.

1053
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:57,370
You know, what are we defining as closure, requirement for a plan, standards for remediation and closure.

1054
01:21:58,150 --> 01:22:01,630
We require a timeline for completion of the closure and decommissioning,

1055
01:22:01,870 --> 01:22:04,270
the owner operator provide financial assurance,

1056
01:22:04,930 --> 01:22:08,530
performance bond letter, credit or cash escrow that the required actions could be taken,

1057
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:11,150
provision for the kind that have right of entry and enforcement,

1058
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:16,030
requirement that I know it should be any transfer of ownership shall not relieve

1059
01:22:16,030 --> 01:22:18,550
any of the requirements or responsibility of this section.

1060
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:26,590
And the other comment we had, which is these closure plans as well as the financial estimates

1061
01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:29,530
It's may not be very valid in five years.

1062
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:33,350
So if it's your pleasure, we can add in that these plans

1063
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:35,970
and the estimates need to be updated every five years,

1064
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:39,650
similar to what we do when we have an escrow extension

1065
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:42,910
for subdivisions, which doesn't happen that often,

1066
01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:43,390
but it does.

1067
01:22:44,130 --> 01:22:46,930
And so on this, it's almost like a perpetual escrow

1068
01:22:46,930 --> 01:22:47,530
and a plan.

1069
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:49,770
If you guys think that's meritorious,

1070
01:22:49,770 --> 01:22:51,530
we'll definitely add that into the draft language.

1071
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:58,470
Now, this commissioning was actually one of my major questions that I had in repurposing.

1072
01:22:58,750 --> 01:23:03,010
If, for example, a data center becomes obsolete after five years, would the end user be permitted

1073
01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:05,350
to repurpose the building without major modifications?

1074
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:10,750
If the new use is similar, such as manufacturing processing or another plant industry use.

1075
01:23:11,130 --> 01:23:14,010
If so, how would that process work under the proposed code?

1076
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:22,510
Not a simple answer, but the simplest I can be in answering that is if you have five

1077
01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:27,090
years go away, and it's no longer a data center, but it's another user that can operate

1078
01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:33,390
within that box, and it's a permitted use, as long as that use has the same operational

1079
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:37,050
considerations, which I can already tell you generally wouldn't because there would be

1080
01:23:37,050 --> 01:23:39,010
higher parking requirements, right?

1081
01:23:39,010 --> 01:23:45,850
right? Most likely what that would require is a revised, resubmitted for the council's

1082
01:23:45,850 --> 01:23:49,970
consideration development plan, meeting whatever that's going to be moved to. So it's a but.

1083
01:23:50,490 --> 01:23:55,770
Only if they could, every single operational impact would be exactly same as a data center.

1084
01:23:55,950 --> 01:23:59,070
And primarily what I'm talking about is parking because everything else is pretty high.

1085
01:23:59,490 --> 01:24:04,370
That then they would have to come in and come into compliance. And that's the one area that

1086
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:07,610
when we get into parking, you know, these centers don't have a ton of people there. And

1087
01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:10,450
And you can see what our parking requirements were as went through that.

1088
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:16,190
And so, yeah, obviously they can repurpose, but most likely that is going to require a

1089
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:19,410
revised development plan for legislative consideration.

1090
01:24:21,210 --> 01:24:23,570
Make sure it can comply with what's there.

1091
01:24:24,630 --> 01:24:26,290
Can we just back up a second, Mitch?

1092
01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:31,730
Back to the previous subject of CE violations.

1093
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:35,290
I did a little study and I think I sent you a note on that section 400.

1094
01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:49,390
I just wondered if that was set back in 2008 that fine, and if that should be addressed in this particular code.

1095
01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:55,950
I don't think we'll address that section, but what we'll do is include maybe a different schedule of enforcement fines.

1096
01:24:56,150 --> 01:25:01,510
I think we talked about fines and that the fines weren't stiff enough to act on.

1097
01:25:02,030 --> 01:25:06,010
So, I think that's something important that needs to be looked at for this week.

1098
01:25:06,190 --> 01:25:06,350
Absolutely.

1099
01:25:06,930 --> 01:25:07,190
Absolutely.

1100
01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:08,490
Yep.

1101
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:13,090
And on that topic, I'll say that this little sheet that you guys have, if you didn't

1102
01:25:13,090 --> 01:25:16,830
see my email earlier, this was my edits to the CBA, which is almost all of it.

1103
01:25:17,050 --> 01:25:21,510
And on the third page, I had something related to that that would be separate.

1104
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:25,590
So, but we're not there yet, but just mentioning that.

1105
01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:29,590
Well, you've specifically mentioned this section of code that applies to that.

1106
01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:29,810
Correct.

1107
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:30,710
That's why I brought it up here.

1108
01:25:30,850 --> 01:25:30,990
Yep.

1109
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:44,670
It was easy to go through that, and we can put in accordance with that with the same penalties or I'll talk to Mr. Kim on the best way he thinks to get that and make it enforceable like we talked on one of that to be a pretty clean easy process.

1110
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:51,330
So, community benefits agreement, I'm sorry, keep going back, I'm sorry.

1111
01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:58,310
Yeah, on the decommissioning and maybe it's kind of included in here and I need to get a chance to read through all of it this morning.

1112
01:25:58,910 --> 01:26:09,470
You know, I had mentioned maybe an exit fee, so if the project, if it's supposed to be a 15-year project, and in your eight, they're like, yeah, we're done, we're out, right?

1113
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:13,990
There should be a penalty for that. It can be paraded over the period of the development.

1114
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:16,290
That's where you have the clawback and the CBA.

1115
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:22,210
But that's, again, I think somebody else had the thing, what if there are no abatements or incentives offered?

1116
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:23,710
Well, then we're not clawing back anything.

1117
01:26:23,710 --> 01:26:24,390
Right.

1118
01:26:24,910 --> 01:26:29,570
So you just would not get the continued benefits of whatever you've agreed to into the

1119
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:29,930
CBA.

1120
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:31,710
That makes sense?

1121
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:32,150
Yeah.

1122
01:26:32,370 --> 01:26:32,470
Yeah.

1123
01:26:36,370 --> 01:26:37,790
Community benefit agreement.

1124
01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:43,270
Again, we really want to make sure that this is one of the most important parts of this

1125
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:43,950
as we've discussed.

1126
01:26:44,150 --> 01:26:49,230
This is what the opportunity to enter into the benefits of the county and its residents.

1127
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:56,510
On these, we've got those purposes required there that we've put forward on the CBA to

1128
01:26:56,510 --> 01:27:04,030
six items and kind of moving through this, and I know you all have some comments as we

1129
01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:08,250
get through this, the applicability, it's, again, incorporating a legislative approval

1130
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:12,270
of the development, failure of the developer to comply, shall constitute a breach of zoning.

1131
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:17,210
The CBA starts upon issues of the first building permit last for the life of the facility

1132
01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:18,710
or 30 years, whichever is longer.

1133
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:20,550
I know some people had questions about that.

1134
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:25,670
But obligation to CBA run with the land and survive any and all ownership changes.

1135
01:27:26,890 --> 01:27:29,510
I know somebody had a comment about the term.

1136
01:27:30,910 --> 01:27:35,970
I think you, Bobby, didn't you have a conversation about how long the term lasts 30 years?

1137
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:39,130
I think you wanted it to go to like help my grandma as 80 years.

1138
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:43,530
So it was 50 and my thinking behind that is the straight line depreciation for commercial

1139
01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:44,810
property is 39 years.

1140
01:27:45,250 --> 01:27:46,290
So that's already in their thing.

1141
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:49,790
If it takes 10 years to build this thing, you're at 50 years right there.

1142
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:51,550
So that was my logic.

1143
01:27:51,690 --> 01:27:56,450
So we got 30 or the life of the facility, right, whichever is longer, so I think that kind

1144
01:27:56,450 --> 01:27:57,210
of covers it.

1145
01:27:57,630 --> 01:28:01,930
But I mean, I don't know if the embassies comments if that's appropriate and you're

1146
01:28:01,930 --> 01:28:02,650
good with that generally.

1147
01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:10,190
Again, the issue with the CBA as I went through this was we don't want to so narrowly

1148
01:28:10,190 --> 01:28:16,050
construe it that we limit the contextual negotiation about what needs to happen offset and provide

1149
01:28:16,050 --> 01:28:20,450
the benefits, but we want enough to make sure that the minimums are covered, so I always like to

1150
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:25,370
call this. I like to name my rules. This is my prom dress rule, you know, long enough to cover

1151
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:31,030
the essentials, we're sure enough to keep it interesting. And so, you know, that's where we

1152
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:35,230
fought this. The one thing we had when we moved into the requirement for an annual community benefit

1153
01:28:35,230 --> 01:28:42,350
payment agreed upon. We also provided that that be indexed to the CPIU, all users. We have our own

1154
01:28:42,350 --> 01:28:47,430
and St. Louis Regional Federal Reserve that establishes a CPIU for this region.

1155
01:28:47,950 --> 01:28:52,930
And the reason for that is $1,000 today in 10 years is not going to be $1,000.

1156
01:28:53,530 --> 01:28:57,190
So that was where we thought that was very reasonable to apply that to.

1157
01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:04,450
If, you know, when you get into, we can provide into the language and narrowly, more narrowly

1158
01:29:04,450 --> 01:29:06,430
construe this to provide a minimum and a max.

1159
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:11,950
And I did that in a different form of CBA, collected bargaining agreement, where we provided

1160
01:29:11,950 --> 01:29:16,690
protection for both entities. Number one to the city that there's a cap of 4% and trust me during

1161
01:29:16,690 --> 01:29:22,970
a couple years of the Biden administration, save some bacon and a minimum of 1.5% which helps

1162
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:29,170
should you be in high times of very low inflation. So if that's something you want to see us do,

1163
01:29:29,290 --> 01:29:34,390
that gives a little bit more surety into the cost of what that would be to the developer by bracketing

1164
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:39,530
that a little bit and gives protection then to both entities. But certainly that's the pleasure of

1165
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:44,710
if you'd rather do that when you go through a CBA conversation on a specific project when

1166
01:29:44,710 --> 01:29:51,250
that time would ever come or if you wanted us to provide that within the structural

1167
01:29:51,250 --> 01:29:53,170
approach in the regulations.

1168
01:29:58,270 --> 01:29:59,550
I'll say if you look at my

1169
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,300
My stuff that I had written on the first page, C2 specifically covers this price index. I think what I had proposed, I don't have a cap on it though. I think it caps fair so that they've got some downside protection. I'd suggested using the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPIU. That's what I've seen in a lot of contracts that I've done for projects based to the 1984 equals 100.

1170
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:35,980
and instead of doing it, indexed, do it as a percentage increase each year with a minimum

1171
01:30:35,980 --> 01:30:37,740
of 4%.

1172
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:45,060
So that's typically tied into the indexes for the region, it's tied to all users and

1173
01:30:45,060 --> 01:30:49,520
it's not just an arbitrary number, so I don't like just one percentage and other things,

1174
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,620
so but it's up to the, you know, the purview of the council actually and the committee

1175
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:53,960
as well.

1176
01:30:54,060 --> 01:30:54,420
You want to do that?

1177
01:30:54,420 --> 01:30:54,680
I

1178
01:30:57,180 --> 01:31:06,620
think keeping it the, what Mitch has, they're personally with the St. Louis Regional Federal Reserve, it's contextualized and I think that's the way to go.

1179
01:31:07,580 --> 01:31:08,760
You want me to bracket it?

1180
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:11,140
No, I mean, I think the way you got it.

1181
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:11,720
I want to just leave it.

1182
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:12,880
I think it's fine.

1183
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:13,720
Okay, perfect.

1184
01:31:13,980 --> 01:31:15,200
Thank you.

1185
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,280
Eligible use of the funds for parks, roads and bridges, public safety.

1186
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,760
We specifically brought in here Sheriff's Department.

1187
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:31,820
I want to make sure that they have the ability to use that one idea that they would use for the funding would be to really help offset the new forensic building in its operations.

1188
01:31:31,820 --> 01:31:47,240
I think that's a benefit to this entire county and so you know reached out and got some of those ideas from the sheriff's department on how they would potentially use some of that funding fire an EMS obviously is easy to get into that and that goes into the training and equipment that also applies to the sheriff's department as well.

1189
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:52,840
The requirement of one time up front payment from the developer to the county prior to the

1190
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,600
issue of the first certificate of occupancy or what we call the final occupancy of the first

1191
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:02,780
principal structure, and then provisions for protection of tax incentives and revenue

1192
01:32:02,780 --> 01:32:09,420
protections, so if abatements are given and by any entity which also we require disclosure of

1193
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:15,720
any and all abatements and incentives to any taxing entity so that again we can have a good CBA

1194
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,220
that guarantees we can offset that and provide those benefits.

1195
01:32:24,340 --> 01:32:29,760
With it in 430, do we have comments or the length of comments?

1196
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,460
Well, just to call it out real quick.

1197
01:32:31,460 --> 01:32:37,600
So we know we've got eight people that want to make comments, so I'm going to allow 20 minutes for that, so we've probably got another 12 minutes.

1198
01:32:39,420 --> 01:32:45,380
I think we should really get to this workforce development part, I think that's a pretty important part of this, if we can.

1199
01:32:45,380 --> 01:32:53,420
The workforce development, I agree, I got a lot of input on this, at least 50% of construction laborers performed by residents at Jefferson County.

1200
01:32:53,980 --> 01:32:58,620
Should the labor be unable to be attained, then this number may be reduced by mutual agreement.

1201
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:05,240
The remaining 50% of labor or the balance that that's changed has to come from the St. Louis metropolitan region.

1202
01:33:05,780 --> 01:33:10,420
Should either of these minimum thresholds prove unattainable, they may be reduced at the discretion of the director.

1203
01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:14,360
and upon demonstrating proof and support thereof, if you are more comfortable with that,

1204
01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:18,040
that reduction can be at the discretion of the county since that will be within the context

1205
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:18,700
of the CBA.

1206
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:21,880
And I would recommend we probably make that decision.

1207
01:33:22,940 --> 01:33:27,740
I had a question as it pertains to some of this work is highly specialized work.

1208
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,540
Do you see that causing any sorts of issues with sourcing?

1209
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:33,120
You know what?

1210
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,800
You guys are the experts in the labor side, right?

1211
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:37,600
That's where I would look for you.

1212
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,360
I think that's where you have a lot of this.

1213
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:44,900
The workforce training and everything to happen so you can get there. I think if you do have that difficulty

1214
01:33:44,900 --> 01:33:48,240
That's where you have that provision to reduce that through the agreement

1215
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:49,840
and

1216
01:33:50,300 --> 01:33:54,240
Yeah, I had a lot of concerns about those numbers like his 50% really attainable

1217
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,700
I think we'll have a high goal, but you want to have the ability to drop that down if okay

1218
01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:04,200
We really don't have this level skill, but yeah, oftentimes the language that's used would be a good faith effort

1219
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:10,420
Yep, and I wondered if that might make sense to add a good faith effort language with potentially a definition that would

1220
01:34:10,420 --> 01:34:15,560
I have include some criteria that would we use that a lot on good faith effort, you know

1221
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,580
That way we know we both really tried. It's on then we call it kind of unattainable

1222
01:34:19,580 --> 01:34:26,000
We've tried right because that's the biggest concern is that we are setting up potentially setting unattainable goals

1223
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,920
Because I do know that some of these jobs are are pretty difficult and there's not a lot of people clearly

1224
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:37,380
There's not many data centers here, so there's not a lot of people that have done that work here, and we just want to make sure we're not blocksing ourselves out.

1225
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:45,180
Again, this is our real opportunity to kind of make up for the loss of all the labor jobs we've had over the last 25 years.

1226
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:58,900
Being in Nashville, the guy driving the shuttle at the hotel was from St. Louis, and that was his conversation with him and his wife moved to Nashville because there's no opportunity for jobs here anymore for somebody who doesn't have a college education.

1227
01:34:58,900 --> 01:35:04,140
You know, it's very hard to get those labor jobs really interesting conversation with Tony

1228
01:35:04,140 --> 01:35:10,000
I mean about that and really kind of was like man, I really need to make that this is our real opportunity because as we've heard

1229
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:16,440
These conversations naturally it is the opportunity kind of get back to you know that ability for local labor to have these opportunities

1230
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:20,700
So and I think that part of what people might look at is, you know

1231
01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:27,880
Because the way that it's written it kind of sounds very subjective and if there were a bit of objectivity applied to that like

1232
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:28,800
Okay, these are the criteria.

1233
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,720
This is what would satisfy good faith effort.

1234
01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:31,480
This is what doesn't.

1235
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,740
These are the steps that you need to go through to attempt

1236
01:35:33,740 --> 01:35:36,260
to get the local workforce to do this work.

1237
01:35:36,260 --> 01:35:39,380
But if you're not able to, I think just providing that

1238
01:35:39,380 --> 01:35:40,040
assurance might.

1239
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,180
Well, and that's where I think it would I aired on the side

1240
01:35:43,180 --> 01:35:45,260
of less is more so that then, you know,

1241
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:47,160
that can all be hammered out when you actually get in.

1242
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,840
Okay, here's what this development is.

1243
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,840
And let's go through this conversation on what it's going

1244
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,500
to take because if you get a big development,

1245
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:54,860
it's going to take a lot.

1246
01:35:56,220 --> 01:36:08,780
And so those conversations happen differently and there's a much larger size of investment in the development of that workforce and that skilled labor through those, you know, we go into the registered apprentices shall be required where available.

1247
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:19,600
I know I had a lot of conversations and specifically with Mr. Brown had some concerns about, you know, is this language prohibit a local contractor who may not be big and having a apprenticeship program.

1248
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:49,580
Well, we don't want that to happen, that's why we said we're available and have proven unavailable developer make efforts to developer said registered apprenticeship programs will kind of figure out we don't want to have this be exclusionary want to provide those local opportunities so and I know this is different but just to provide a little bit of reference so in Montgomery City they're talking about this data center now and I think they said there would be 700 electricians on that so it's just we're talking about massive amounts of manpower which would be 350 of those coming from Jeffers

1249
01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:55,600
and county if it's here right do we have that tall order along with all the other projects

1250
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,360
going on right I mean all the other yeah that's absolutely right you know I I know that

1251
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:05,680
the many projects in St. Louis city and county have a similar like requirements for workforce

1252
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,300
from certain areas and stuff like that and Clint are there like I mean you know more than

1253
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:15,400
I do because you are a little more in the weeds with those agreements what does like what

1254
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,440
is what does theirs look like compared to ours?

1255
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,780
Is theirs a 50% or is different?

1256
01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:22,460
What I've seen typically is 23%,

1257
01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:24,660
where they came up with 23, I don't know what that is.

1258
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:27,220
It sounds like a 25 or 20, but 23%.

1259
01:37:27,220 --> 01:37:28,660
That's because it's Michael Jordan's number.

1260
01:37:28,820 --> 01:37:30,500
Should we, I mean, well, that's the question.

1261
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:32,880
Should we have 50% or should we reduce that

1262
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:33,780
or should we leave it there?

1263
01:37:33,940 --> 01:37:35,560
And then I would say that's a reduce it.

1264
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,540
This is a community benefits agreement.

1265
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,460
And our community is Jefferson County.

1266
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,500
So we should be ensuring we can do everything we can

1267
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:50,520
And for this community, bring in what you can, and only when you can't bring any more

1268
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:54,120
from this community, do you go elsewhere in the region.

1269
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:57,100
And that's another reason why I asked the questions about the apprenticeships, because

1270
01:37:57,100 --> 01:38:02,640
we should benefit all of our businesses in our community, and not just those that decide

1271
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:03,720
they want to have an apprenticeship.

1272
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,640
So it should be open to all of our community, right?

1273
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,980
It shouldn't be a detriment to any person.

1274
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,140
because if somebody decides how they run their business it shouldn't be able to

1275
01:38:14,140 --> 01:38:18,520
participate and benefit from this agreement so I'm for whatever we need to do to

1276
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:26,380
keep the jobs the work here as much as we can and make sure everybody equally

1277
01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:30,940
qualifies for it so I think the prevailing wage is a good thing because that

1278
01:38:30,940 --> 01:38:37,480
prevents you know that low wage low skill low trained type of thing that you

1279
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:44,520
You know, you're going to have to pay a good wage, which means you're probably going to want to bring in the best people to do that if you're going to be paying them, you know, the top wage.

1280
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:55,840
So I would just push back slightly on that because if the point of this is workforce development, that's what the apprenticeship is, is the development part of the workforce.

1281
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,860
Well, and maybe we can reword that to not put the burden on a narrowly

1282
01:38:59,860 --> 01:39:05,060
construed. Okay, well, it's this contractor developer. Maybe we can say then the project.

1283
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,140
You know, that way it's on more the owner operator to us in that workforce

1284
01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:13,280
development than the burden of a local contractor if that makes sense.

1285
01:39:14,580 --> 01:39:19,400
Because the only way to increase the pool of skilled workers is to get folks trained

1286
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,000
up and get the appropriate way.

1287
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:28,180
It might even be like a split, maybe 50% comes from Jefferson County, 25% of that must

1288
01:39:28,180 --> 01:39:36,140
be registered apprenticeships or something to figure out the balance there too.

1289
01:39:38,740 --> 01:39:40,520
The other thoughts on that?

1290
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,140
I mean, what we're talking about is workforce development.

1291
01:39:45,260 --> 01:39:50,420
I think that we should be emphasizing apprenticeship programs because those are, this is the difference

1292
01:39:50,420 --> 01:39:56,120
between jobs and careers right here right what we want to be providing folks with is a career

1293
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,140
the profession and I think that that's what you get with an apprenticeship so I'll figure out

1294
01:40:00,140 --> 01:40:04,840
how to word that so it's not limiting but we still are achieving that you know because I think that

1295
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:12,080
is our goal as development that's the key of this component right the the one on here also is a PLA

1296
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,920
submitted to the county partitions of the first building permit we're not saying what has to be in

1297
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:22,160
there. I know I've got an input on both sides of the spectrum on this and the you know

1298
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:27,200
the the to keep that in there if that's necessary or not. Obviously we have it in the draft.

1299
01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:35,400
Just real quick, part of the reason for that was, you know, we remember the mayor of Altoona saying

1300
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,520
that what they really want is stability and if we can guarantee that there's going to be no

1301
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:44,760
work short, no work stoppages and things like that of nature. I mean, that is the greatest stability

1302
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:45,600
that we can offer.

1303
01:40:48,780 --> 01:40:50,800
Okay, included within here we have requirements for the

1304
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,580
developer department with Jeff's College of Local High Schools to provide support for

1305
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:55,900
workforce training and development. See how quick I'm going here as well as

1306
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:59,760
internships, job shadowing and other programs, requirement for when any

1307
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:04,180
expansion of technology or the physical plant structure or any system modifications,

1308
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:09,420
operational or physical plant upgrade workforce training are made that new

1309
01:41:09,420 --> 01:41:13,400
workforce requirements are triggered focused on the provision of opportunities for

1310
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:14,180
Jefferson County residents.

1311
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,420
That's a long way of saying whenever they make any

1312
01:41:17,420 --> 01:41:19,840
automatic modifications, structural changes,

1313
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,020
internal operational changes that then we make sure

1314
01:41:23,020 --> 01:41:26,100
that that's incorporated in that workforce development.

1315
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:31,640
If we reached out to school districts and to Jefferson

1316
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,040
College about the possibility of what this will look like

1317
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,100
or are we going to rely on the developer to reach out

1318
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:41,360
to them and say, hey, we're going to be introducing

1319
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:46,360
Using this new technology and I haven't yet because I think part of how that gets fleshed

1320
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:52,460
out is like you heard from Altuna, I think that's a good example is let them work that

1321
01:41:52,460 --> 01:41:55,600
out based on what that project needs are and what the workforce development is.

1322
01:41:56,120 --> 01:42:00,360
You know, you heard Altuna that, you know, you had met a fund, a vocational program for

1323
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:00,800
the high school.

1324
01:42:01,140 --> 01:42:04,660
I would imagine that you're going to see a lot of opportunities funded at Jefferson College

1325
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:07,380
based on the needs of this and the workforce development requirements.

1326
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,680
But yeah, we didn't want to narrowly consider that.

1327
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,520
but they're just excited about the opportunity

1328
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,020
to have this conversation at this point.

1329
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,180
I mean, this is a really great opportunity.

1330
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,920
This is part of the meat of this social for our resident.

1331
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:19,860
Ms. McCaffrey from Jefferson College

1332
01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:22,100
is fully aware of this and she's aware.

1333
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:23,900
I know she's aware, we just haven't.

1334
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,100
You know, it's hard to get into very specific conversations

1335
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:29,800
about how these play out without having any project parameters.

1336
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,800
Like I said, it's hard to project cost and benefits

1337
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:33,260
when you don't have a project.

1338
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:37,580
So that's another conversation for a different day.

1339
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:42,420
The requirements for infrastructure and public service provision focus on these highlighted

1340
01:42:42,420 --> 01:42:43,600
development responsibilities.

1341
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,840
We've got construction of any all necessary roads intersection signal improvements, coordination

1342
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,920
with all applicable public safety entities, including Sheriff's County Sheriff's Department and

1343
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:56,380
provision of funding for any all required and necessary specialized equipment training, upgrading

1344
01:42:56,380 --> 01:43:00,600
our extension of utility infrastructure serving the project without cost existing customers.

1345
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:05,780
Duplication duplication, say it again, say it again, here everybody knows exactly what we mean.

1346
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:09,780
Then requirements for the creation of a community investment program funded by the developer

1347
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:12,040
on an annual basis for the provision of the following.

1348
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:17,080
STEM education schools, community facilities and nonprofits, youth mental health programs,

1349
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:22,540
and social economic grants for county residents, qualifying based on income level that would

1350
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:28,180
be if you set a grant program where you could, if there's a low income person that can't put

1351
01:43:28,180 --> 01:43:32,740
before their roof or other issues like that, there's an ability to apply for funding that's

1352
01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:35,160
a very common component in these community

1353
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:36,200
both benefit requirements.

1354
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,460
On that last one, Mitch, should we do language similar

1355
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:40,480
to what we did on that last part

1356
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,860
where it wasn't meant to be so first

1357
01:43:42,860 --> 01:43:44,360
that these are the only things,

1358
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,940
but it said, including the following,

1359
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,740
so it gives you an opportunity if we need to expand

1360
01:43:49,740 --> 01:43:51,300
that we can program that.

1361
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:53,580
It's not mentioned here that it gives us that opportunity.

1362
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:54,980
Yeah, and that's what the intent was,

1363
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:56,100
so we can clarify that.

1364
01:43:56,360 --> 01:44:00,660
Okay, yep, absolutely, look at that.

1365
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:08,640
I had a lot of comments on the CBA, I didn't in a terrible format because I couldn't go to Dobie to work last night, so I couldn't redline it.

1366
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:15,840
But what I'd like to propose is that we meet again on the 18th to discuss the CBA a little more in detail.

1367
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:28,760
And I'd like to have the opportunity to redline it, send it out to all of you, because the workforce development stuff I think is good, but it's the shoulder topics that I'd like to delve into a little more.

1368
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:34,400
as far as the payment structures go, just to tighten it up a bit.

1369
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,320
Well, the constituent feedback is coming up next and then we'll set the next meeting date.

1370
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,760
I think everybody seems like they're okay with the 18th.

1371
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:43,880
Any other questions or comments?

1372
01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:45,780
We move on to public comments.

1373
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,580
Okay, the first public comment will be from Allen Leader Brand.

1374
01:44:50,740 --> 01:44:52,960
The next person will be Clarice Eaten.

1375
01:44:55,950 --> 01:44:57,130
Mr. Leader Brand, go ahead and come on.

1376
01:44:57,210 --> 01:44:57,950
We've got to have two minutes.

1377
01:44:57,950 --> 01:44:59,850
Yeah.

1378
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
My name is Alan Leeter-Brenn. I live in 1562, Romain Spring Drive. I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak. I like the part where you're talking about, instead of the different, three different categories, you're narrowing it down to just one with the standard setbacks. My only concern is we've only been talking about existing, you know, business area that was zoned. What happens on new zoning? So if you got somebody we're hearing where a developer wants to buy a 400 acre

1379
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:37,400
or farm, but it's right next to residential. Well, I think the setbacks then need between

1380
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:43,440
the data center and the residential ought to be bigger because the people that currently

1381
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:49,220
live there never expected it to be switched to business. So I think maybe like a 500 set

1382
01:45:49,220 --> 01:45:55,420
foot setback between the residential and the building. If you're going to have to re-zone,

1383
01:45:55,420 --> 01:46:07,820
I don't have a problem with what you're doing on existing, but when you're going, you know, next to residential because it's already been there, but if you're having to rezone something, anything that needs to be taken into account.

1384
01:46:08,940 --> 01:46:22,540
Also, like that, you know, the rules, you know, what happens, you know, for fines and all this, I didn't see anything really in writing. I'm hopefully that will come in at the same time because sometimes

1385
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:28,640
penalties aren't addressed and they get put to the sideline because you've got a billion

1386
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:35,000
dollar corporation and a thousand dollar fine is nothing. I mean they could care less

1387
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:42,080
on that. So I think the fines and all that need to be established as well so that the

1388
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:51,540
person knows what's going on whoever comes in. Also has CGR or any other company started

1389
01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:57,420
looking at property. I know there hasn't been any official, you know, for rezoning or anything else.

1390
01:46:57,820 --> 01:47:03,380
But is there, are they asking questions about property? I think it'd be nice for the public to know

1391
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:08,100
if there's interest, you know, that they're looking at companies, you know, at properties. Thank you for

1392
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:13,660
your time. Thanks, Mr. Leader Brown. The next speaker is Clarissa Eaton. The next speaker after that

1393
01:47:13,660 --> 01:47:15,140
will be Sean Casey.

1394
01:47:19,650 --> 01:47:24,010
Thank you for your time. I kind of threw this out again. Can you speak in the mic, ma'am?

1395
01:47:25,290 --> 01:47:27,670
First of all, I'm very proud of you guys.

1396
01:47:28,510 --> 01:47:30,650
You seem to be holding them to the fire,

1397
01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:32,030
and I hope that continues.

1398
01:47:33,110 --> 01:47:35,230
I would implore you the commission

1399
01:47:35,850 --> 01:47:39,510
to enforce clear and extensive impact analysis,

1400
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:43,570
in fact, independent impact analysis at their cost.

1401
01:47:44,990 --> 01:47:48,370
I would hope that you would do everything in your power.

1402
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:51,190
And I think what you were trying to say

1403
01:47:51,190 --> 01:47:53,730
about the filters, and correct me if I'm wrong,

1404
01:47:53,730 --> 01:47:58,350
where you're looking for state-of-the-art filtration systems,

1405
01:47:58,910 --> 01:48:01,130
HEPA filters, these kinds of things.

1406
01:48:01,310 --> 01:48:04,230
And the reason I say that is that's very important

1407
01:48:04,230 --> 01:48:06,890
that we have state-of-the-art, the most up-to-date,

1408
01:48:07,330 --> 01:48:09,190
any kind of environmental protections,

1409
01:48:09,730 --> 01:48:11,590
they got the money, they need to pay it.

1410
01:48:12,170 --> 01:48:13,970
They're coming to our yard, okay?

1411
01:48:14,810 --> 01:48:19,490
And the reason I say that, you know, look at Amrin,

1412
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:22,710
we pay for their infrastructure, we subsidize them,

1413
01:48:22,710 --> 01:48:27,090
all year long and we build all their power plants and what do they do that come

1414
01:48:27,090 --> 01:48:31,070
long keep raising our rates that's never gonna stop okay maybe we should all

1415
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:37,610
buy stock and utilities but anyway what is concerning is like a data center in

1416
01:48:37,610 --> 01:48:43,990
Texas they release 12,000 tons per year of formaldehyde soot ammonia carbon

1417
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:50,270
monoxide volatile organic chemicals in an addition to that they can also release

1418
01:48:50,270 --> 01:48:53,350
these 33 million tons of greenhouse gases.

1419
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:56,510
Again, I would implore you to demand

1420
01:48:57,090 --> 01:49:00,150
that they give you an analysis ahead of time

1421
01:49:00,830 --> 01:49:03,910
and they have to be in the vicinity of that at all times.

1422
01:49:04,710 --> 01:49:06,590
I think we also need a non-spudzman

1423
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:09,030
for all these companies coming into the state of Missouri.

1424
01:49:10,350 --> 01:49:12,530
Thank you, Mr. Keeho, not a fan.

1425
01:49:14,010 --> 01:49:15,470
These are our communities.

1426
01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:17,590
I'm just a mom, I'm nobody special.

1427
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:32,410
But I do live here. I was born in the state. I own property in Missouri. And I hope you fight for us. I do not support data centers. I think they're bad. And they're definitely bad for the country.

1428
01:49:32,410 --> 01:49:32,990
Thank you.

1429
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:35,090
All right.

1430
01:49:35,350 --> 01:49:35,790
Thank you, ma'am.

1431
01:49:35,950 --> 01:49:37,650
Mr. Sean Casey.

1432
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:40,090
Next speaker, we met Brennan.

1433
01:49:42,260 --> 01:49:43,500
Thank you for letting me speak.

1434
01:49:43,660 --> 01:49:44,340
My name is Sean Casey.

1435
01:49:44,860 --> 01:49:46,040
I live at 4.005.

1436
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:46,740
Rolling Stone Lane.

1437
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:48,460
I am here.

1438
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:56,160
I am a little worried about the language of the CBA, especially when it comes to project labor agreements.

1439
01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:03,080
I think that what they may do, I think there's a lot of people in this county that are very opposed

1440
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,280
to these data centers.

1441
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:11,920
And I think what is going to happen is that you're going to have regular people that are

1442
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:17,640
going to come in here and they are going to be in opposition of these but then they

1443
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:21,400
are going to be overwhelmed with artificial support.

1444
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:29,320
And this artificial support is going to be created by people who are in this CBA and benefit

1445
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,420
ahead of time and know ahead of time that they're going to benefit.

1446
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:38,200
So for instance, project laser agreements, those things are benefiting large unions.

1447
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:46,240
And those unions have the ability to have PR firms, they have ability to have members come

1448
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:51,080
in that are paid, and the regular people that are here are not paid to be here.

1449
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:58,200
They're not professional speakers, they're not professional PR people, and what this

1450
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:03,320
CBA does, and I'm not opposed to the CBA, I understand its benefits, but we have to

1451
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:08,320
be very careful about the negative effects upon just the regular citizens.

1452
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:17,800
And for instance, any of the things that are in the CBA are so nonprofits, for instance,

1453
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:25,000
or the schools or any of those, I agree that they should benefit, but the fact is, if they know

1454
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:31,960
ahead of time they're going to benefit, then they are going to be more apt to want these data centers.

1455
01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:38,240
But they're not, they are going to, so what you're doing is you're creating stakeholders

1456
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:45,980
that get the benefits with none of the drawbacks, especially with the 50% coming from the metropolitan area.

1457
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:47,320
Thank you.

1458
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:47,460
Sorry.

1459
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:48,620
Thank you very much.

1460
01:51:49,380 --> 01:51:49,760
Thank you, sir.

1461
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:51,160
Next up is Matt Drennan.

1462
01:51:51,940 --> 01:51:54,060
The next speaker after that is Mr. Chris Borgensen.

1463
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:57,220
Hi.

1464
01:51:57,380 --> 01:51:57,800
Good afternoon.

1465
01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:58,780
My name is Matt Drennan.

1466
01:51:59,260 --> 01:52:03,380
I'm a fastest resident and work professionally in economic development and large scale infrastructure

1467
01:52:03,380 --> 01:52:05,540
and industrial projects across the U.S.

1468
01:52:06,260 --> 01:52:11,580
I regularly evaluate public-private development structures and incentive policies and long-term

1469
01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:14,200
and community impacts in 2025 alone,

1470
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:18,120
my firm negotiated over 15 CBAs nationally.

1471
01:52:18,940 --> 01:52:22,640
I commend the council and the county

1472
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:23,960
on getting in front of this

1473
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,000
with a robust draft of ordinances,

1474
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:27,440
but I do have some comments

1475
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:28,880
and I'm not gonna get through all of them,

1476
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,100
hopefully I can send them afterwards

1477
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:32,000
only a minute and a half now,

1478
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:34,600
but I will go through some high level stuff here.

1479
01:52:35,480 --> 01:52:38,180
The long-term expansion oversight, I have a concern there.

1480
01:52:38,420 --> 01:52:40,040
There's ordinances regulating impacts,

1481
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:43,820
but does not address overall project scale or phased expansion.

1482
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:47,380
Data centers often expand significantly over time.

1483
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:53,820
There should be some mechanisms requiring renewed review with large expansion when those large expansions occur.

1484
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,700
Another point I have is utility and infrastructure impacts.

1485
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:03,980
The ordinances relies heavily on utility capacity confirmation.

1486
01:53:04,820 --> 01:53:08,700
Utility capacity does not necessarily evaluate long-term reliability risks

1487
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:17,040
impacts of potential rate-payer impacts. Independent impacts should be reviewed to be appropriate.

1488
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:22,280
Bills like SB-FOR, if anybody's really read that bill, it doesn't have a lot of teeth,

1489
01:53:22,420 --> 01:53:26,600
it's nebulous, we really can't hang our hat on that and how it's going to impact the community.

1490
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:37,480
I do have concerns with long-term use planning. A big parcel, let's say a 600 acre parcel.

1491
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:43,320
place an industrial scale infrastructure immediately adjacent to establish residential areas.

1492
01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:47,920
Jefferson County should consider designating and master planning appropriate industrial

1493
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:55,260
or technology, technology campuses rather than converting areas near subdivisions related

1494
01:53:55,260 --> 01:54:00,300
to that physical separation from homes while the ordinances do include setbacks.

1495
01:54:00,540 --> 01:54:00,680
Okay.

1496
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,200
Well, I'll email other thoughts that I have.

1497
01:54:03,700 --> 01:54:04,320
All right.

1498
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:05,080
Thank you, Mr. Gerrano.

1499
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:11,840
Mr. Drummond, could you send your comments to our executive assistant so that she can send it to all of us?

1500
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:15,540
Yeah, because I'm in the 5th district, so I don't have representation currently, so I didn't know where to.

1501
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:16,520
Okay, thank you.

1502
01:54:16,620 --> 01:54:17,600
Okay, thank you.

1503
01:54:19,380 --> 01:54:21,100
Mr. Borgensen, you're up next.

1504
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:24,760
And speaker after that will be Ms. Linda Lyons.

1505
01:54:29,650 --> 01:54:30,410
Good afternoon.

1506
01:54:31,130 --> 01:54:32,210
I'm Chris Borgerson.

1507
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:35,490
I live in rural Festus at 102 Glenfield Drive.

1508
01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:43,670
I have two concerns concerning what we're discussing this afternoon, and then I brought

1509
01:54:43,670 --> 01:54:48,010
something that passed out to give you for your consideration.

1510
01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:55,970
My concerns first is miniaturization of these computer centers, but you've addressed that

1511
01:54:55,970 --> 01:55:02,590
because if you build a 200,000 square foot building, the computing power in that building may

1512
01:55:02,590 --> 01:55:06,250
He fit in a 40-foot box trailer in three to five years.

1513
01:55:07,070 --> 01:55:08,570
So what do you do with the rest of the building?

1514
01:55:09,210 --> 01:55:13,830
Well, you've already been thinking about that and recycling the building and bringing

1515
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:15,390
in new occupants and all that.

1516
01:55:15,590 --> 01:55:16,030
That's great.

1517
01:55:16,650 --> 01:55:17,450
I'm all for it.

1518
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:23,870
But just beware, it's going to change radically in the next couple of years as miniaturization

1519
01:55:23,870 --> 01:55:24,670
continues.

1520
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:33,170
My other concern is the safety and security side of it.

1521
01:55:34,190 --> 01:55:42,430
My background is I've had more training than most, but less than others, and between

1522
01:55:42,430 --> 01:55:48,690
the Marine Corps law enforcement and academia, I've got a background in nuclear biological

1523
01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:55,010
chemical warfare and terrorism. I've taught bachelor degree level classes on

1524
01:55:55,010 --> 01:56:01,470
terrorism. Well, people know I'm a marine, I got this sweatshirt and all that jazz,

1525
01:56:01,710 --> 01:56:06,770
but I'm also an infantry officer. So I look at the world through a different lens,

1526
01:56:07,630 --> 01:56:13,730
and computing is going to nodes. You're going to have these huge data centers, but

1527
01:56:13,730 --> 01:56:20,070
is they miniaturize the idea is to have a lot of nodes across our country where they

1528
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:27,010
can mutually support each other and if one of these is destroyed or impacted, the shift

1529
01:56:27,010 --> 01:56:35,830
of data processing in the economy will go to the other smaller nodes, halon fire extinguishers.

1530
01:56:36,150 --> 01:56:41,650
I hope you put them in these things and we can talk about it later but thank you for

1531
01:56:41,650 --> 01:56:42,110
hearing me.

1532
01:56:42,610 --> 01:56:43,790
Thank you, Mr. Borgeson.

1533
01:56:44,090 --> 01:56:45,490
Next speaker is Linda Lyons.

1534
01:56:46,410 --> 01:56:48,830
And next speaker after that will be Barbara Johnson.

1535
01:56:50,210 --> 01:56:52,610
Good afternoon, my name is Linda Lyons.

1536
01:56:52,810 --> 01:56:56,010
I'm from DeSoto, Missouri, 618 Olive Street.

1537
01:56:56,650 --> 01:57:00,770
And I want to thank you all for all the impressive work that you have done.

1538
01:57:01,010 --> 01:57:03,670
I've attended several of these meetings and-

1539
01:57:03,670 --> 01:57:04,750
Can you speak into the mic, ma'am?

1540
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:06,510
I think you have done excellent work.

1541
01:57:06,510 --> 01:57:11,570
I've wrote a letter to the leader praising all your efforts in your process.

1542
01:57:11,570 --> 01:57:19,490
us. I'm just going to throw a factor out there. Elon Musk is merging his rocket company

1543
01:57:19,490 --> 01:57:26,570
SpaceX with his artificial intelligence company XAI, specifically to build data centers

1544
01:57:26,570 --> 01:57:34,010
in space. All of these Earthbound data centers are going to be obsolete very shortly.

1545
01:57:39,450 --> 01:57:40,330
I'm

1546
01:57:40,330 --> 01:57:47,570
reusing the buildings because that's going to come faster than you can even believe so all

1547
01:57:47,570 --> 01:57:56,990
somewhat all this work is moved but I just want you to consider that this is a development that's

1548
01:57:56,990 --> 01:58:06,010
coming faster than you can even think and so when you are using all this land for this particular

1549
01:58:06,010 --> 01:58:13,590
usage, it's going to be kind of a waste. And what are you going to do then? I'm glad

1550
01:58:13,590 --> 01:58:19,310
that you're thinking about these things, but I don't know if you should even develop

1551
01:58:19,310 --> 01:58:26,210
these data centers because they're not going to be around here on Earth very much longer.

1552
01:58:26,970 --> 01:58:27,850
Thank you.

1553
01:58:29,050 --> 01:58:31,750
Thank you, Ms. Lyons. Next speaker is Barbara Johnson.

1554
01:58:40,330 --> 01:58:45,070
Good afternoon. My name is Barbara Johnson. I live here in Hillsboro and Highly Baptist Church Road.

1555
01:58:45,790 --> 01:58:53,790
And this is the first meeting I have been able to attend. And I think that all of you folks have done an outstanding job.

1556
01:58:54,190 --> 01:59:00,610
This is very fluid right now. It's a draft. There's a lot of changes and forethought still coming into it. And I appreciate that.

1557
01:59:00,930 --> 01:59:09,490
But I have to totally agree with Mr. Leader Brand. The setbacks. We have eight acres. We have a huge subdivision going in next to us.

1558
01:59:09,490 --> 01:59:17,350
I can only think about all the noise that's going to be generated by that in and of itself,

1559
01:59:17,730 --> 01:59:25,190
but then to have 100,000 square foot building, we know there's noise, there are emissions,

1560
01:59:25,690 --> 01:59:32,350
there's a lot of things coming out of that facility, and we need more than just 100 foot setbacks.

1561
01:59:32,350 --> 01:59:39,250
We need, like he said, a 500 foot setback, thank you, is just not enough.

1562
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:47,190
And one of the things I love about Jefferson County, I grew up here, I love the

1563
01:59:47,190 --> 01:59:53,630
wildlife, the forests. Why do we have to keep tearing it all down? You know, you see

1564
01:59:53,630 --> 01:59:58,010
all of our animals on the highways and I know this is economic. Everyone's looking

1565
01:59:58,010 --> 01:59:59,970
it more revenue for the...

1566
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,380
County. When is enough? Can we just enjoy what we have? I'm not in favor of a data center because of all the negative effects that it's going to have on our environment and our lives. I really feel it's negative. I can see my time. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. That concludes our speaker's speaker list. The next order of business is set that next meeting date. I would like to make a motion that we set it for next

1567
02:00:29,380 --> 02:00:33,080
Next Wednesday, the February 18th at 3 p.m. in this building.

1568
02:00:33,540 --> 02:00:33,800
This room.

1569
02:00:34,300 --> 02:00:35,000
Second of the motion.

1570
02:00:35,940 --> 02:00:36,140
Okay.

1571
02:00:36,180 --> 02:00:36,960
I have a first and a second.

1572
02:00:37,100 --> 02:00:38,940
Is there any discussion?

1573
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:40,420
All in favor?

1574
02:00:40,620 --> 02:00:40,920
Say aye.

1575
02:00:41,140 --> 02:00:41,460
Aye.

1576
02:00:41,900 --> 02:00:42,340
Any opposed?

1577
02:00:43,940 --> 02:00:44,720
No abstentions?

1578
02:00:45,220 --> 02:00:45,920
I's have it.

1579
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:48,400
Let me see.

1580
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:51,640
Anything else here?

1581
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:53,840
I guess I need a motion to adjourn.

1582
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:56,040
You adjourned?

1583
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:56,960
Second.

1584
02:00:57,680 --> 02:00:58,440
I have a first and second.

1585
02:00:58,940 --> 02:00:59,700
All in favor?

1586
02:00:59,700 --> 02:01:00,440
Aye.

1587
02:01:01,220 --> 02:01:01,620
Any opposed?

1588
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:02,220
No.

1589
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:03,500
We are adjourned.

1590
02:01:03,740 --> 02:01:04,000
Thank you.