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[0:00] Okay, good morning, Jefferson County Board of Commissioners. It is March 12, 2025, and it is 815.
[0:08] We're going to get started with our administrative session, which is our department heads, electeds, and
[0:24] So I feel like I gave a pretty good update last time I was here this is can you is this go through Lindsey can you hear me all right.
[0:37] I really don't have too much more to add we just swore in Brad Hamlin.
[0:41] you're just came back to us to fill that ATV position yesterday.
[0:47] Other than that, I almost said no report.
[0:50] I feel like it's just a chair.
[0:56] But other than that, yeah, I don't really have too much more than that.
[1:00] Yep. Yeah.
[1:05] I lack of doing things for sure. But people
[1:11] are going to prison. That's part of it.
[1:14] didn't get some long-term stays out of the jail, so yeah,
[1:21] how was your conversation with the City of Maghars?
[1:33] There hasn't been anything since, they really reached out. I was supposed to have a meeting with Chief Plumber on Monday, but I didn't make that meeting, so hopefully I'll catch up with him next week and get some more news on some of that.
[1:51] That may reach out to Will, figure out where they're at.
[1:55] And staffing wise, where you at.
[2:03] Technically, minus those LATCF positions were fully staffed on the patrol side.
[2:11] We do have one retirement coming up in May, and so we'll have to fill that position but
[2:19] as far as the jail goes. I think we're still lacking one or two positions.
[2:27] Still recruiting
[2:27] on everything. Still recruiting. Still recruiting on the front office staff position.
[2:32] We got quite a few applicants for that. I think we were sitting around 18 applicants. Anything
[2:41] else? Any other questions? Yes. See you at the ranch.
[2:50] there's a lot going on but so I know some people are waiting on things. I promise
[2:56] I'm you're on my list but if you need something urgent call me.
[3:05] I won't
[3:05] elaborate on a lot of things going on. Good
[3:11] morning Phil. Good morning.
[3:12] Community Development is rolling along. We're seeing a lot of permits and
[3:16] applications coming in for single-family dwelling structures,
[3:19] department that kind of thing. We have two staff notes I wanted to share with you.
[3:25] Tony has been out for a bit. She's in the KDSRA via text that she'll be back on
[3:29] Monday, so I'm really looking forward to that. The other is our sanitary in
[3:34] Matt just informed me this morning that he has accepted a job and his last day
[3:39] will be June 5th. So we've we've been proactive in terms of June 5th. Yes. So we've
[3:46] been proactive in terms of outreach on that, so we should be in a good place for that transition.
[3:52] And like I mentioned, I'm smiling because it's time to be back on Monday, and I can certainly use the help.
[3:58] So, that's it.
[4:00] Well, it's exciting to hear the increase in permits and activity, I'm sure it's going to continue to grow.
[4:10] And I think we had mentioned earlier, keep a close eye on that, and if there is staffing
[4:18] needs, because I feel like it's going to continue to go increase.
[4:23] Let us know ahead of time so we can maybe be proactive and not have a big gap in there
[4:30] where everyone's really struggling.
[4:32] Sure.
[4:33] I'll be talking to Jeff and about it is I think we should be doing some forecasting on planning
[4:40] a little bit more there's quite a bit in play that we just need more coverage there and with that
[4:46] level of coverage is I don't know what the staff will be asking and talking about that as we as we move
[4:52] for.
[4:55] And have we have...
[5:00] Much help as far as your desk for some planning projects or is that still in the process of contracted services. We have we have reached out and we've engaged two consultants. One has done some planning work in terms of applications, but the higher level, the more difficult stuff, neither consultant is available or kind of wanting to do. It's it's it's it's a tough fine right now.
[5:31] Now, we know how to do, it's definitely how to do a lot of it, but it does get to a higher level that it's just so complicated.
[5:39] It's something hard, but there is a little bit of help in play as you see things come in if there's something that you can relieve off of your plate.
[5:48] Yes.
[5:48] Give it to one or two of them.
[5:51] Yes.
[5:52] Okay.
[5:52] Yes.
[5:53] So we, the county has also engaged Dave Allen, Dave and Allen on a project or two.
[5:58] and so we're both using consultant at a level and then David Allen's playing role with something.
[6:08] Gabe, how's the budget process going?
[6:10] It's going well. Good morning.
[6:12] Gabriel Sleece, Jefferson County Finance Director.
[6:15] Yeah, I'm working hard at budget. I'm about three-quarters of the way done with it.
[6:20] I'm hearing up to present a draft budget to the County Administrative Officer and the Budget Officer,
[6:27] Commissioner Similink, so looking forward to presenting that.
[6:29] That had a good day of meetings with both of them as well as a few different departments.
[6:35] I think we worked through a lot of questions and concerns for those various departments
[6:39] and have those ones pretty mailed down.
[6:42] I will be sending out an email to department director shortly just reminding you dates for
[6:47] budget hearings.
[6:48] We're about a month out from that as well as those of you who have not submitted a budget narrative
[6:53] yet.
[6:53] I'll be sending you a template basically what you submitted last year so you can kind of
[6:58] build a budget narrative for this year.
[7:01] So be looking for that from me.
[7:03] I'll need that by the end of next week.
[7:06] So get that out.
[7:10] I am back to being fully staffed.
[7:12] I had some staff out with some sick families
[7:15] and then out at conference for the past couple of weeks.
[7:18] So it's been kind of light in the finance department,
[7:20] juggling some duties between the desks.
[7:23] But everybody's back and healthy now.
[7:25] So we're looking forward to the rest of the month of March.
[7:35] Hi, good morning, Katie Russell, public health.
[7:41] Just working on budgets and work plans.
[7:45] We have our TPEP work plan we turned in on Monday, so that was exciting.
[7:50] And then we also have maternal child health that's coming up
[7:55] and an STI HIV plan.
[7:58] And so a lot of work plans, a lot of budgeting happening right now.
[8:02] We're also starting to look to the summer and our outreach events.
[8:08] So we have just a couple of things that we're hoping to do on a regular basis like every
[8:14] other week.
[8:15] And then just big events here and there throughout the summer.
[8:22] So we're starting to look forward to that and figure out how we're going to staff that
[8:26] you know some of our plans and supplies and things so that's exciting. We're
[8:32] heading to Jefferson County Middle School on Friday to do their career days
[8:37] so hopefully we'll plant some seeds and some middle schoolers to become public
[8:43] health employees in the future. So now I became decided to become a nurse as
[8:49] middle school career day so hopefully something will happen there. So anyways that's
[8:56] for us.
[9:01] Kate Simke, county clerk. Earlier this week, we had our first key
[9:08] meeting that stands for Property Values Appeal Board. We will be hearing two
[9:14] petitions. The board will next Friday, the 21st.
[9:21] Just preparing now for the
[9:23] special district election. We have a total of potential 55 candidates. 13 of
[9:31] those candidates are shared positions from the Shoots County. So far we have
[9:38] about 22 individuals who have filed for special district positions out of 42.
[9:46] So we're just kind of halfway there. I called or sent emails last week from
[9:53] I'm mining the districts and I will do one more time.
[9:56] That's Friday.
[9:58] The deadline is the 20.
[10:00] So, next week is the final. There will be four measures on the ballot, two measures relate to the MAC. One, the library is asking.
[10:14] have a levee and the Lake Chinook fire and rescue. Also, we'll be asking the public for money.
[10:27] In preparation for this election, we mailed out 119 inactive notices as a second reminder
[10:35] to those voters whose signatures we either challenged or who had a name changed.
[10:41] that was for the November election, it's just part of our routine process.
[10:47] We challenged 1.3 signatures, or 155 out of 12,000 voted ballots that we received.
[10:55] So we inactivate them, if they didn't respond, and then we give them another opportunity
[11:01] to remind them, we need an updated signature is really what we're looking for.
[11:06] And then, finally, but I would mention that the Secretary of State, as Reid will be
[11:15] stocking by, for a visit, April 14th.
[11:22] And just a yearly kind of update and peace-to-face conversation.
[11:27] The right thing.
[11:29] Generally, that's something that the new Secretary likes to do is visit all the counties.
[11:33] So, yeah, the last visit I visited with the office and asked if it would be okay if we
[11:48] had representatives from the PCP's come and they were very amiable to that, the previous
[11:56] administration so I'll probably do the same here too and see if they would like some company,
[12:05] like to meet a few more members of our community. That's it.
[12:13] Thanks, Kate.
[12:15] Good morning, commissioners. Matt Paulson, Public Works Director. So, in Public Works, we're busy with
[12:21] Recruitment still, still looking at different applications and working through that.
[12:28] We have started our wheat program sprain, so getting going with that, working on a hazard
[12:36] mitigation grant through OEM, and we're up to about 9 million for the cove palisades,
[12:42] So, just rock ball and different mitigation measures for the different geologic features
[12:51] that happen down there, so hopeful on that one, but, you know, with OEM, there are some
[12:59] uncertainty with funding and different things, but working through that.
[13:02] And that's focused down there at the coast.
[13:05] Yeah, pretty much rimmed around from the boat ramp all the way to the other side.
[13:09] And so quite a few miles of Jordan Road that was affected by rock ball on a regular basis.
[13:16] So that's a deal with scaling, some netting, possibly, maybe some blasting, some of the
[13:26] overburden.
[13:27] So it's quite a large project of that time.
[13:31] One thing with OEM, they're looking for a 25% match.
[13:34] So, you know, finding a couple million dollars, I think we could probably partner with state
[13:40] parts and plus we PGE, but I guess we'll just work through those details as things happen.
[13:47] But it's a pretty good project for us.
[13:51] Also working on the capital improvement payment maintenance master plan.
[13:56] That was going well.
[13:57] So we're looking at all of our roads that have had deferred maintenance for decades and come
[14:02] them up with a plan to really address the issues that are happening with those roads.
[14:10] We're also working on that safety action, transportation safety action plan.
[14:15] So that one, hopefully, will have funding for it soon and put that plan into work.
[14:21] Also working on the Ponybutte Paving Plan.
[14:25] So that one's, we had them redesigned it, so we have a really good plan now, so I'll present
[14:30] that to the board. Just present some options that we have with that road. Other than that
[14:37] we're crushing rock or rock crushers have been humming so we're doing well with getting
[14:44] our stockpiles built back up. We're also grading some roads and fixing potholes and sign
[14:49] work so yeah things are going well.
[14:54] What's one feather you know they came out with that
[15:00] That new round of funding with the Congressional Directorate's spending. So I reached out to our contact there and I can't remember her name. But she said, do not apply this year that we are still in the running. We're just waiting for the Oregon budget to pass. Once that passes, then the project will get going.
[15:25] Well,
[15:31] I think once the budget gets passed,
[15:33] and funding's approved and those projects that were selected, I think, you know, the ball
[15:40] starts rolling in. I don't know if we'll get to it, you know, this fall. I mean, it's
[15:46] a possibility. Our plan, yeah. Our plan is done. I mean, we pretty much designed the new
[15:54] bridge. We just need to get the funding and...
[15:58] I guess, because I just was in a question from the situation, is it we would have to
[16:06] reapply for this money through the state?
[16:09] No.
[16:10] Through the feds.
[16:11] No.
[16:13] So our project was a portion, or it was approved.
[16:20] I think you don't have to get allocated money.
[16:23] Yeah, I think they have to get the budget balanced and passed.
[16:26] the state. The state. That's what she said. She said state budget.
[16:34] But you're
[16:34] talking possibly started working to fall. Is that what you said? If if it all came
[16:40] together. I mean that would be the hope. Otherwise next fall once the water gets
[16:47] shut off. So 26. But where are we at with the bridge that got closed
[16:56] November, Eureka? Yes. We're still, I mean we shorted up, we shorted up and then did they get
[17:02] reinspected or how, what is that process? We got reinspected and everything is as it was with
[17:09] the temporary shorting. Okay, okay. So we still have a weight restriction and it's probably a short-term
[17:21] allowance for that weight restriction. Yeah and they'll continue to monitor it, you know. They
[17:27] inspect our bridges every year, so it'll be re-inspected again.
[17:34] But with that
[17:35] temporary shoring, they said it could last seven years, ten years.
[17:41] We got a little bit of time. No. It's not immediate threat, but what that did is
[17:47] it put us in line, you know, the way bridges work, they go off a sufficiency
[17:53] So once it's determined to have no capacity, which this bridge did, it went from having
[18:00] several thousand pound load capacity to zero, or I asked them, can I write a bicycle
[18:06] across it?
[18:07] And they said no.
[18:08] They said close the road, and that's how severe it was.
[18:12] They said we're sending someone out to see if the bridge is still standing.
[18:16] And the bridge is in good condition, but just the way they inspect, the way they look
[18:21] look at the timber structure, what it's going to do is allow us to really move our application
[18:26] up as, you know, this is an emergency.
[18:32] So, okay.
[18:33] Well, keep that on our radar because I think it'd be good for us to go out and look at it
[18:39] like we had talked about and see how valuable that bridge is or if we direct some more focus
[18:46] to other things or if that's a necessity and we need to make sure that that stays open
[18:53] so I think it'd be good to go out there the three of us at some point this spring and
[18:58] take a look at it, assess it, if we need to reach out to the the neighboring community to see what
[19:04] the need is for that and just value that on priority this spring. So yeah.
[19:16] They are, but I think it's a ways out.
[19:19] Yeah, I asked Josh Bailey at North Unit, you know, what if we just put some culverts
[19:23] in and he says, well, you can put a couple of eight foot culverts inside my side and
[19:30] he wasn't real sure on the hydraulics, but he thought that might be an option.
[19:35] But we just want to make sure whatever we do, it aligns with their master plan.
[19:38] We don't want to waste, you know, resources putting something in that they can't use when they do pipe it.
[19:49] Well, let's continue to talk about that.
[19:51] Well, and I'm also just thinking of putting a whole new bridge and then they put a pipe in and...
[19:58] Yeah, well, it's recent, yeah.
[20:00] Yeah, because the bridge is million and a half. I mean, why, why spend that resource if they're going to fight that? Yeah, that's all pins on when they're going to fight. Right.
[20:18] Where are you at with staff, Matt? We're down three.
[20:24] Mechanic and no, we have two mechanics. Two mechanics. Yeah, just three road workers.
[20:36] Great. Good morning, race to lease. Jefferson County assessor.
[20:44] Yesterday, I attended public hearing before the House Revenue Committee at the Capitol regarding House Bill 3518.
[20:53] As you know, this is relating to assessment and taxation funding.
[20:58] It was very well attended, standing room only.
[21:01] I estimate maybe 70 people in their many testimonies.
[21:05] The bulk of the testimonies were in favor of House Bill 3518.
[21:09] Interestingly, though, there were two opposed testimonies, and they came from the Special
[21:15] Districts Association.
[21:17] They want to get more information on some of the language in the bill.
[21:21] I think they're concerned about, well, all special districts are concerned about their
[21:27] money.
[21:27] They're usually single-purpose taxing districts, and they're really watching their nickels
[21:32] and their dimes.
[21:34] And rightly so.
[21:35] So I think we would invite them to the table, absolutely, to engage in the discussion and look at the issue.
[21:42] But overwhelmingly, the support was in favor of this House Bill.
[21:46] So I ask the commissioners, please support House Bill 35-18.
[21:54] Yeah, I think we got AOC.
[21:57] I don't know what it has to do with it, but I don't know at this point.
[22:02] That'll happen. There's plenty of bills out there. And so yeah, they know AOC's really had a focus on that
[22:11] and I'm sure the staff were there. Yes, AOC testified in favor. We all met at AOC's building
[22:18] and walked over from there. Yeah, well cool family event. Thank you for going over and being a part
[22:25] of that. I know it's important bill for only our county but counties across the state
[22:30] right trained to keep keep things floating and getting our reimbursements of the work
[22:39] that you do right. Well thank you for your support. Yeah. Good
[22:47] morning. Good morning. It feels like
[22:58] Are you guys receiving calls about VA cuts, about our office closing?
[23:03] Okay.
[23:04] We are too.
[23:05] Just think you know.
[23:07] So there's a lot of fear and panic out there with all the stuff I'm going to use.
[23:14] So formally, I haven't received anything from OBV or VA about any cuts, okay?
[23:21] So whatever amount to share is just stuff I've gathered together to try to see what's
[23:26] happening it and so you know what's being put out there and why people are
[23:30] freaking out. So on the news and online you'll find that they're going to be
[23:39] starting to cut it June 2025 this year, approximately 83,000 jobs and that's
[23:47] about 15% of the workforce. 30% of the workforce are veterans and half of those
[23:54] veterans are the same that are employed by the VM.
[23:58] 90% of the gay workers are in the health care side.
[24:03] So they're looking to go back to staffing levels
[24:05] at 2019 levels.
[24:08] The problem that people are concerned about
[24:10] is this is before the PAC-DAC pass
[24:12] where they open up health care to millions of veterans,
[24:15] they add in like 20 cancers to the presumptive list
[24:18] for Gulf War, they add more presumptive to the aging
[24:21] large list, so they're worried that that's going to affect health care, and then there
[24:31] are people who are always, anytime anything happens, friends go and shut down who will
[24:35] worry about their benefits, because they rely on those benefits to pay their mortgage
[24:40] and support their families.
[24:42] So, the new VA Secretary of the Collins, he reports that they're getting recommendations
[24:51] from DOGE, but DOGE is not making the decision about the cuts that he and his staff are
[24:57] making decisions about the cuts.
[25:00] May is still saying that they're going to accomplish this without making cuts to healthcare, or to compensation benefits, or fetching benefits to veterans and beneficiaries, and that they're still going to hire for more than $300,000, sorry, $300,000, mission, critical positions, and the focus is serving veterans better than before, you know, in that, in doing so requires organization and change.
[25:28] I do an interview he had and he is aware of outdated systems that I'm not sure if you guys
[25:36] know the part of the problem with the VA was in slow was the health record site is the
[25:40] system they're using is over 30 years old.
[25:43] They've been trying, they've been saying they're going to update it for the last 8 years and
[25:47] all this money that's been spent is still not done.
[25:50] So he is aware of the outdated technology and says it's nowhere it needs to be.
[25:56] So, you know, when people call the office, I'm just trying to assure them that we are still open,
[26:04] because people are surprised when they call and call the back or just like they say we're
[26:09] closed. So I tell, you know, we're county employees, like I have no knowledge of us being
[26:16] refunded or cut or anything like that, you know, and we're still proceeding on and, you know,
[26:22] So if anything changes with funding or health care,
[26:25] anything like that, as soon as I know something definitive,
[26:28] I'll let them know.
[26:29] So I'm just telling them you can either wait it out
[26:32] and see what happens, or if you're really
[26:34] that concerned about it, then you can contact
[26:36] the VA Secretary yourself, or you're nervous of Congress
[26:40] and tell them you're concerned.
[26:43] But I mean, other than that, I have no power
[26:48] to control anything that happens at that level.
[26:50] So I'm hoping that we're going to see what updated tech, you know, and things are, you know,
[26:59] going to run more smoothly with all of this, but I.
[27:06] So anyway, hopefully things will calm down.
[27:11] So on a different note, we are on the agenda for today for out-of-state travel.
[27:18] It's 8.3.
[27:23] The afternoon of March 26, OVB is asking to be on their interview of their panel
[27:29] for the training team, so I'll be unavailable during that time, but I mean I'll still be in
[27:38] the office. The welcome home veterans dinner is Saturday, March 29, 4 o'clock. That's in the doors
[27:46] open their wrap up. That's the annual spaghetti feed. And Gabe,
[27:56] thank you so much for
[27:57] Julio. You guys have been helping me a lot with all these random people who are
[28:02] wanting checks now instead of paying by credit card can 3%. There was a lot of money
[28:07] that way so they've been having to cut quite a bit of checks for me lately with my
[28:12] grant money so I appreciate it and feel for the issue data. I emailed you guys
[28:17] last week, the tinier kind of playoffs, trying to project like what the population is going
[28:22] to be here and whatever. And then the gym and pool passes that I have with the grant
[28:32] money from OVBA. I have a few of those left and there's still probably about 20 music lessons
[28:38] on the left, joint plenoids, just put out their spring semester online, so, I'm sorry,
[28:49] that's all I got right now. Thank you.
[28:51] That's a great thing. Yeah, we can.
[28:57] I can wait. I mean, I would put back a lot this morning, I put a sign.
[29:01] Does Kevin have any other appointments that you can need to cover?
[29:06] No, I got to take care of it, but I made it back in time, so we're good, thank you.
[29:13] Well, thank you, Laura. I know it's definitely a challenging time with what's going on on the feds
[29:20] and even a little bit on the state side, so appreciate you reaching out to all your clients
[29:26] and settling their nerves a little bit.
[29:32] And I think a lot of what's going on, we need to be a little patient and trust that our federal government is going to take care of such an important role for our citizens.
[29:46] And so I think we promise them and great advice as if they do have concerns to reach out to their federal leaders and voice those concerns.
[29:56] because it's very impactful when it comes from.
[30:00] The veterans, and how it's going to affect their lives or their finances. So, if you need anything from us on that, let's go. I think we should. We're making public health. Get a message out to our veterans. I know that we're not covering more speed shots on the gay, VA, some, some issues there.
[30:30] to do a Joey press release to get some good messaging out there as far as why I have
[30:47] an update on the physical therapy. They are not taking VA matters. I think the veterans
[30:56] that had, you know, the authorization, I think, you know, there, at least in my case, you know, they received them through that authorization, and then, what's the authorization from them?
[31:07] So we were not able to resolve that issue, unfortunately.
[31:13] in the RSV shots.
[31:14] There's a lot of things to do.
[31:14] So...
[31:15] That's the...
[31:17] That's the...
[31:18] Oh, the game.
[31:18] That's the...
[31:19] The DCL.
[31:20] Yep.
[31:21] Well, I'll...
[31:22] I'll...
[31:22] what does my concern do you directly in the movie?
[31:24] I'll put it in the...
[31:26] Okay, yeah, because I haven't heard anything about...
[31:30] I'll have to check in the RSV shots.
[31:32] Well, I don't think it could be.
[31:34] Or, yeah, I think it could be.
[31:35] A code that China could be willing to run.
[31:38] There's not everything's free anymore.
[31:39] They're funding.
[31:40] Yeah.
[31:41] So, we'll talk about that.
[31:44] Okay.
[31:45] And then you're thinking maybe getting some posted.
[31:47] Well, I think there's some posted.
[31:48] Of course, constituents are, you know,
[31:50] the folks that she takes care of,
[31:52] those who wants to be alerted
[31:55] as to what their process is going to pull.
[31:58] That's why.
[31:59] Yeah.
[31:59] Here's why.
[32:01] I know what's like to say we're going down a rabbit hole, I don't want to go down so
[32:05] we can hold.
[32:06] Okay.
[32:08] Diane, come on.
[32:09] Good morning.
[32:10] Diane, how was all of the HR director?
[32:14] So we are going to view when it's gone on.
[32:18] In addition to our normal HR, it's going to be really fun.
[32:22] We have some of our program that's starting on June 16th and that's the program where we
[32:27] higher, I still feel there's a lot of change that we're in some kind of,
[32:33] either like a great school kind of program, college, or whatever.
[32:38] They're going on to something like that.
[32:40] So we're going to be reaching out to Madras, the program I school,
[32:45] and all the CSC campuses and other community colleges to see if there are kids
[32:50] going back.
[32:51] So I'm going to want to work with us.
[32:53] And then that starts on Jesus' feet.
[32:58] And then we are, we've been working on the Affordable Care Act
[33:02] reporting that was the issue contract saved by a sign
[33:06] of course, and I'm not sure.
[33:08] So I had to submit a $2,200 divorce to them.
[33:10] And so that was also been in and we're
[33:12] going to go free and go to care for the fidelity people,
[33:17] but that was a big vote.
[33:20] And then we had, and thank you, Gabe, for your help with, we had some, we've run some reports and we hope to sneak from the patterns.
[33:29] And then, working on a military memo policy that will help us putting some protocol in place for one military week and how we have benefits.
[33:46] We don't have anybody in that church right now, but I think it's really good to be.
[33:53] And then we are working with a public health restructure who is on that.
[34:03] And our state committee meeting is next Wednesday in the 19th and 7th Anniversary of this.
[34:09] And we just asked what we did inspections of all of our sites.
[34:15] So we're going to talk about that with the safety of the union.
[34:19] And then the other thing I want to mention is because the OAS supervise
[34:23] of trade.
[34:24] There's an opportunity for a supervisor training through CIS and that's
[34:29] where insurance general has a lot of research through that.
[34:33] So we can actually slide up with this very instance of training
[34:36] $30 and it's 10 to 12 on the 15th April 15th and then four they can go to the Dallas
[34:46] and it's 10 to 12.
[34:48] I'm sorry, 10 to 2 and I'm sorry.
[34:52] And it's kind of just a different overview of Supervisor,
[34:56] you know, really lives in laws and things like that.
[35:03] So, if you guys have any supervise, if you want us on that, it's a great opportunity to
[35:08] be in the department, you know, there's a lot to all the directors. And I try to figure out
[35:20] how I get back in a little bit more time, and I hit the envelope and then it's time to get
[35:24] So I have to figure out how to get that to everybody.
[35:38] Morning,
[35:42] Tony Anderson, Billings and Ground Stractors. Sorry for my tardiness. I'm running a little late this morning.
[35:47] I was hoping to be fully staffed by the end of the day.
[35:49] Okay, apparently he declined yesterday afternoon.
[35:54] So back to the draw board on that, so building, excuse me, building some grounds on continuing
[36:05] to Miller Lumber, tear that building down, get all that debris hauled off, access control
[36:13] we got installed yesterday up and running at the jail facility.
[36:16] So next stop this can be for own probation, we got the panel plugged in and IT logged on
[36:21] and everything, so making progress with excess control panels, and then Hippie Joe's
[36:27] place, the property farm property on Birch and Clackamus.
[36:33] There was some garbage debris out there, we got cleaned up, we ended up hauling some
[36:40] material and blocking off that gate, so hopefully we'll limit that in the future, and then be
[36:47] hit the ground strong with the turf grass management, so grass thatch and
[36:51] plugging that stuff so we've started to roll juniper hills part the grass
[36:57] up a juniper hills park level that off so turf grass is a growing so yeah time
[37:03] of year is easy season.
[37:08] Flags yeah they shoot I got that notification tracking
[37:11] number um yesterday I think it was her last night so yeah they're on their way
[37:18] Three flags are on their for three flag holes are on their way delivered. So
[37:26] More
[37:29] the cemetery about the fairgrounds. Oh, I hear about flag holes and flags
[37:36] Me too
[37:40] Thanks Tony
[37:43] No report
[37:45] The chair
[37:52] No, I just I feel like I'm I'm just really quiet up here. I feel like I should say but I try and reach out to you guys with questions as I have them throughout the week and so sometimes I'm here.
[38:05] Feel like all my questions have been answered so I don't have any further questions other than be patient.
[38:12] I know, you know, with the VA and everything you can reach out to the people.
[38:17] There's a lot of concerns financially right now with a lot of different entities, and
[38:21] I just have been always cautioning patients.
[38:24] I think that we have some business people in the White House right now, and they're just
[38:30] reconstructing their, you know, they're just going in and getting things revamped and everything.
[38:39] So just patients think that when they say that the disease is going to be fixed and better
[38:44] than what it was.
[38:45] I trust that it will be, so I just think that people just need to be cautioned with patience.
[38:53] That's it, it's all for me.
[39:02] She said no more.
[39:05] There's your time.
[39:10] I've probably submitted 10, 9, test loads in the last five, six days as well as on
[39:19] the things that are practiced in general.
[39:23] They did interviews on the regional solutions for our area.
[39:29] They identified the candidates, the candidates most of us know, and I think it's really fantastic
[39:49] Thank you for your help with the letters, there is a bunch of bills that could positively
[39:57] or a negative way affect the county and so thank you for all your support.
[40:00] And the only thing I wanted to say was we had our meeting about strategic planning for the county, with Sarah. I can't remember her last thing. She was senior Wilson. And I thought that was really productive. Doing overarching kind of plan from the county base, which would pull in a lot of your guys' plans. I know Matt's been working on a bunch with his department. But kind of just getting every
[40:30] everything to fit in somewhat seamlessly and prioritize things and have a good vision
[40:37] for the future for this county and set some precedence of what's important to our community
[40:45] which will track with some of the finances we do have and the limited about that.
[40:56] So that process has been started and we'll keep going through that and bring bring more you guys in at a more in-depth level here shortly with that.
[41:09] The other thing is, quick to have a ranch tonight. I think Sheriff's going to be there. What's are you going on going?
[41:23] I think Matt's playing on going. Tony is playing on going. So I think do we have some discussion later on of topics?
[41:42] Okay, okay.
[41:45] Well, okay. Well, thank you for coming tonight. I know they're important topics. So that can be me. So yeah, Phil.
[42:00] I'm not sure if you have any questions about that.
[42:05] We were required to send out a notice on the set and five people.
[42:09] I'm sure if you have any questions about the set and the position,
[42:13] I'm just going to go to the point where it's going to be a good question.
[42:17] It's okay to share.
[42:18] The rest is actually back at the base of that, but...
[42:26] Okay.
[42:42] Yeah, anything else? Okay, well thank you all and I hope you guys have a good day.
[43:01] Okay, good morning. Welcome back from our administrative session. If I could have everyone
[43:07] please stand for the political legions.
[43:15] The political legions to the flag of the United States and America and to the Republic
[43:21] for which it stands one nation under God and indivisible with liberty and justice for the
[43:30] morning there. Good morning there.
[43:33] Would you join me in prayer this morning?
[43:35] Dear Heavenly Father, we just want to thank you for your provision for all the things
[43:39] that we do in this land and God we ask for the people that you would bring peace
[43:43] and unity of the people of our land and God that you would give us the opportunity
[43:48] to prosper in this land and so Lord is our county leaders are making decisions
[43:53] on our behalf. I pray that you would give them wisdom and God do
[43:57] also give them favor once they've made those decisions. So thank you for everything, thank
[44:01] you for all these people being here to represent. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
[44:13] Okay, so we are going to get started with public comment and it looks like we got quite a
[44:19] few people in the room. So if we can keep everything to three minutes, if there's any reason
[44:26] why you need more than that, please let me know, but let's try and keep things to three minutes
[44:34] with all the people that may want to talk. So who is first?
[44:44] No one?
[44:45] Online?
[44:53] Come on up, come on. I'm aware of the historical society, so we'll give you three
[45:00] Three minutes and five seconds.
[45:09] We're coming, so we'll definitely give you a little bit more time. I think we've been working on some of this for a while. I'm going to appreciate you guys coming and kind of giving us an update on where you're at. Ready?
[45:47] Do we go? Yeah. Go ahead. Please state your name for the record, please. My name is Tony Ahern.
[45:51] and representing the Jefferson County Historical Society.
[45:57] My name is Tom Matting, also with the Historical Society.
[46:01] And we were here a couple of months ago back in December,
[46:06] regarding the potential of the county,
[46:08] potentially partnering with us to establish a museum
[46:11] at the historic Methodist Church in Madders.
[46:16] We brought the idea before the board back in December
[46:19] as we had a closing date, because we've made an offer to purchase that church building.
[46:26] So we had to kind of rush it to get here before you, because we don't feel we can move forward
[46:32] without partnership with the county. And since that December meeting, we've had the building
[46:39] thoroughly inspected, and have some local contractors come in to give us assessments, and we've come away
[46:46] They even more committed to the idea that the building would make an excellent local museum.
[46:52] Another evolution we've had since we've talked to you is that as an organization we've
[46:58] decided we wanted to move very frugally with it and kind of do our remodel in phases and
[47:05] with phase one being things we needed to do just to get open and some of the basics.
[47:10] And we were also asked by the commissioners back in December for information about what
[47:17] other counties comparable in size and population in their rural settings and what those counties
[47:26] do for local museums and we've come up with a report on that that we've had and it's in
[47:33] back it as well. And so that brings us to today.
[47:38] We've also, after December, Commissioner
[47:42] Wunch volunteered or was assigned to work with us and he's met with us a couple of times
[47:47] and he's kind of helped keep us on track. It certainly hasn't made any commitments at
[47:53] all for you guys, unfortunately. But I know my place. Yeah, he's been very helpful and has
[48:01] to help keep us on track.
[48:03] And we've come up with this presentation.
[48:05] It hasn't changed much from December,
[48:11] but anyway, we hope that we could go over it a little bit.
[48:18] Again, we're hoping for it's a 6,000 square foot building.
[48:24] We're looking to remodel just the upstairs.
[48:27] It's a two-story building.
[48:28] We're the first phase to get going. We're targeting the upstairs and our current contract
[48:39] hasn't changed except for the extension date and it's for $300,000, $200,000 at closing
[48:46] plus $100,000 within the next two years.
[48:53] And what we're hoping to do, we have kind of a budgeted target of 300,000 to 325 for first phase remodeling.
[49:06] So try to hustle through this.
[49:11] So basically on page two, skip to what we're here for is the request to the county.
[49:17] What we're hoping for is one time $400,000 commitment.
[49:23] $200,000 would be towards the purchase of the building and
[49:27] another $200,000 would be a kickstart to our remodel fund.
[49:33] And the Historical Society, we're happy and eager to contribute $100,000.
[49:40] We love to be able to do all of it, but that's what we can afford.
[49:44] And we are eager to put in $100,000 to the purchasing fund.
[49:52] And along with that, what we are hoping for is the county's commitment for $100,000.
[50:00] Annually, for a period of time, first ability, our sustainability, I should say, for an annual commitment to help us with staffing and other expenses.
[50:16] But one thing I was thinking, if the county could commit to $200,000 to the purchase, if they could do another $200,000 for the remodel, and if they could commit to that $100,000 a year sustainability.
[50:32] Over six years that would be a $1 million commitment to our local museum, to local history, and our culture.
[50:42] And that would help us immensely on getting grants, because grants is going to be the other foundation that we have.
[50:52] And every grant provider requires local buy-in, and that would just be it for us.
[50:59] If you guys doing that, you know, we could move forward very strong.
[51:05] And if you have the, we're obviously we have an open yet, but we do have budget estimates
[51:13] and we're looking at, you know, frugally a $200,000, $205,000 revenue streams for the year,
[51:23] and see annual expenses eats that almost up.
[51:27] So, and of course, obviously, these are just projections, you know, a year away or so from opening, but you can see that the county's $100,000 commitment is vital to us.
[51:42] You know, grant programs we target, there's a lot of local grants being foundation, roundhouse is based out of sisters.
[51:51] We will be going after these people, they'd be a constant effort for us.
[51:57] What we depend on at $100,000 from the county, or some kind of structure to where the county helps us pay for a director.
[52:08] And that director would be spending a lot of his or her time looking for grants and keeping us financially.
[52:15] The
[52:19] other, you know, ideas we have moving forward financially is work hard with local corporations and businesses.
[52:28] But, you know, we're confident that we could move forward with this.
[52:32] And one thing we think it's important too is our organization.
[52:36] The Historical Society has been around for 50 years.
[52:40] And we had a museum back in the 1970s.
[52:43] Yeah, the 1970s, the 1990s and had to close when it was at the old courthouse due to structural issues.
[52:52] And since then there's been at least three major efforts to bring another museum to town.
[53:00] And they've all kind of fell apart without really through any fault of the historical society.
[53:08] I'm not sure there's very few historical societies in the state of Oregon that can financially
[53:15] handle their own museum.
[53:17] They all need help in the local entity, like usually the counties.
[53:24] So we're certainly not a fly-by-night organization that's asking for your help.
[53:29] We've been around for a long time.
[53:30] And we have the equipment or the exhibits ready to go.
[53:36] So we think we'll be a good partner.
[53:42] In the last part of the presentations and trying to speed through this, I might make
[53:47] three minutes.
[53:50] I think you're passed, but good job.
[53:52] Anyway, the last couple of pages is our report, the counties, I think we have about 11 or
[53:58] 12 of them here that have the various ways, the different counties that are comparable
[54:05] to Jefferson contribute and partner with their, for their local museum operations.
[54:14] You know, it's pretty impressive, basically every county is involved.
[54:21] You know, I think right now Jefferson County gives us $10,000 a year, which is appreciate
[54:28] I believe at one point, when we were looking at opening a museum at Westside, the budget line item got kicked up to 30.
[54:37] And but only if we had a museum to operate.
[54:41] So, so we're hoping we can go from 30 to 100.
[54:45] And we think that lines up well with these other counties.
[54:49] You know, we think we're a healthier county. We have more tourists than a lot of these counties.
[54:56] So yeah, there we are.
[55:00] Any questions or anything you guys want to throw in? Yeah, so just a little bit. I, to my fellow commissioners, I wanted to bring the historical society kind of just to get updated where they're at. Mainly after the building inspection and the mean with the contractor just to see where this building lies as far as structural and all that. And I spoke with the contractor one-on-one.
[55:27] and thought the bones were really good about building.
[55:32] There is some work that needs to be done,
[55:35] but there's not a huge issue.
[55:40] The local contractor also mentioned,
[55:43] I think something that intrigues this group
[55:46] is the history of the building itself,
[55:50] and how fitting that is.
[55:52] So yeah, mainly I just wanted the group to update you
[55:57] kind of bring you up to speed with some of the conversation.
[56:01] It is a big ass financially, and that's what I told the group, and that's a lot for the
[56:12] county to take on, but I think there's conversations of where we want to be as a county to help because
[56:21] you are a great organization, and I think we are probably one of the only counties that
[56:27] doesn't have any kind of museum, and in today's society history sometimes just falls off
[56:34] and it's an important piece to value where we've been as a society, and remember that, and
[56:45] and some of the education, whether it's with the schools or tourists, it's a valuable piece and we do have a rich history in this county and at what level can we help? I don't know, but appreciate the update and would like to work towards some kind of process to kind of help keep things going and especially with the direction of these two.
[57:14] But more if you guys have any questions of specifics of funding, what their vision is,
[57:24] I kind of wanted to open up to you guys to direct anything to them.
[57:28] If you want to have them do any research or work or whatnot.
[57:35] So my question is, and my concern is, is I know that you guys are set on this building,
[57:41] but dumping $500,000 into renovating this building couldn't I'm looking at the
[57:51] fairgrounds has two historical buildings on site is there a benefit to
[57:57] pursuing grants and to building a new facility in that area where the public
[58:02] already is familiar with and people already go so especially as the fairgrounds
[58:09] complex is doing more outreach and having more venues throughout the year, is that not
[58:17] a better location to build a building that can be more visible in the public?
[58:22] The fact we went down that road for about a year working with Fair Board, and it was
[58:28] a good relationship.
[58:30] We talked about doing a joint structure like an event center on one side in our museum
[58:37] on the other, but it got to where I'm thinking that was going to be $4 million, you know,
[58:43] when you were $3.5 or $5 million. And you know, when you talk about building a brand
[58:47] new building and everything, that would have to go in at that. So, you know, when you think
[58:55] about those kind of dollars versus $500,000, you know, again, that's what we want to be
[59:03] for, but we want to do things that we can afford.
[59:08] Yeah, there are pluses and minuses about being at the fairgrounds.
[59:12] Because there, maybe you guys looked into getting any partners, like say reach out to
[59:18] Warm Springs and see if a portion of the building can be utilized to display
[59:26] Warm Springs and there could be some funding opportunities from them as well to contribute.
[59:30] At this point, we haven't looked at anybody for interior museum operations since we don't
[59:38] have one yet.
[59:39] That's the kind of thing, though, that as soon as we have the building secured in a
[59:44] hard plan, that's when we go hard at partners.
[59:49] And partners are going to want to see what we've done, what's behind us at this end as well.
[59:58] I'd like to just...
[1:00:00] Kind of echo some of the things that Commissioner once said. You know, museums are important. They tell us who we were. They tell us who we are. And, and it also is a community a sense of where we're headed. It's, I'd say it's as important an organ to the community as schools and libraries or the stores downtown in terms of.
[1:00:30] letting people, you know, take pride in their community.
[1:00:35] And so I really, you know, I just like to see us move forward.
[1:00:41] And again, you know, the big part of moving forward is
[1:00:45] showing to, I mean, we are part of the Oregon Cultural Trust.
[1:00:49] The museum already is connected with it.
[1:00:54] But in order to get some return from those organizations,
[1:00:57] They really need to see what, you know, how is the rest of the community standing behind us?
[1:01:04] And I think that shows up in some of these other counties, how they are funded.
[1:01:13] They get, they all say they get grants, but a lot of it, you know,
[1:01:16] the basis for that is showing that they have local community support from governmental agencies.
[1:01:23] So basically what I'm getting down here is you're asking the county for 1.4 million over the course of six years 400,000 now and then a million or six years.
[1:01:38] For now, well, two towards the purchase of the building, two towards the kick start
[1:01:46] are remodeling, so that's four total.
[1:01:50] And then when I mentioned it, and then 100,000 a year for sustainability, and what I said
[1:01:56] as a pivot was, if you'd committed for six years, that would be a million total over six
[1:02:02] years.
[1:02:05] I know just on a lot of these other counties they have bonds that are helping to fund
[1:02:13] it.
[1:02:14] Also TRT funds.
[1:02:15] If you guys thought about going out for a bond at all, my biggest concern is it's
[1:02:23] a lot to ask financially and I would love to know where our constituents are on this
[1:02:28] issue.
[1:02:29] You know, when you're talking about, you know, over the next six years, the tap of an officer's position is this at a level right now when we are trying to fund staff at various levels in the county.
[1:02:46] Is this something that our community wants now or in five years.
[1:02:50] I'd really like to be able to see where our constituents are on this and but once again
[1:03:00] I'm bringing it back to a bond I know you know I mean there's some significant
[1:03:05] numbers here in some of these other counties that are that are funded through bonds
[1:03:08] is that something that you guys have thought about or I would say the plan the loose plan
[1:03:16] is to open, establish, be a good museum, and then go ask the county, what do you think of us, do you want us to keep us here or not?
[1:03:26] But I think if we have nothing to show them, then that would be a hard vote.
[1:03:34] I, you know, my guess is, although, like, Crick County, I would assume that they were all established before they got the local support for a bond.
[1:03:45] But that's definitely what we would, our goal and our hope, would be to establish a bond.
[1:03:51] And so a commitment of $100,000 a year for the next six years, and then also the building,
[1:04:01] being that it's an old structure.
[1:04:04] And there's going to be continued maintenance on it.
[1:04:07] Is that something that the county would be financially obligated for?
[1:04:10] Or is that?
[1:04:11] I would think we've talked about this.
[1:04:13] You know, if the county wanted to buy it, then the county would maintain it.
[1:04:17] But our take is if you just help us buy it,
[1:04:21] then that's on us.
[1:04:23] But that's another negotiation thing,
[1:04:25] like maybe say, who knows?
[1:04:29] But I mean, like if the county would say,
[1:04:31] well, we'll give you say 75,000 a year,
[1:04:34] but we will maintain your building or whatever.
[1:04:37] If you guys decide you want to go forward to us,
[1:04:41] then we can kind of work out the details.
[1:04:43] Okay, and then also on staff and you know helping you $100,000 a year and you know $189,000 what is $120
[1:04:58] ,000 for staffing
[1:05:00] If these grants don't go through or a bond doesn't go through in six years, are we going to be asked to continue this? 100,000? I mean, is it going to be a perpetuity? Is it going to be? I'm just, my mind's just going to go into that room. You know, that's hard to predict. You guys may, we may be so awesome. Hey, let's give you 200,000 a year or we may have a really poor museum. We're done.
[1:05:29] We would gamble on ourself to say that you would be happy with this.
[1:05:33] But it's hard to say in six years.
[1:05:35] Hopefully we'd have a bond that you guys can step away from.
[1:05:43] Just curious on the lease that we have,
[1:05:45] but we're on Fifth Street or whatever.
[1:05:48] How long was that?
[1:05:49] How long was that lease?
[1:05:50] I don't know, Laudie.
[1:05:51] You know?
[1:05:52] It's been a month and a half.
[1:05:55] What is your timeline on your offer?
[1:06:00] a great question. Mr. Simlink, that is the end of April. So we would we hope to have a decision
[1:06:09] or a plan moving forward by the way, because we've already asked for one extension.
[1:06:22] What kind of a building were you guys looking at when it was $3.5 to $5 million?
[1:06:28] Oh, we were just working with the fair board and we were talking like a steel building.
[1:06:38] Yeah, it wasn't a Taj Mahal bill. No, but but but quite large, you know, it's, you know,
[1:06:44] because the Fair Board wanted a large exhibition and an event center. And we were, you know,
[1:06:53] this one is about 6,500 square feet with the two floors. And out there, I think we were
[1:07:00] we're talking like 4,000.
[1:07:02] We had needed at least, so
[1:07:06] large structures.
[1:07:09] You know, you have a great question about
[1:07:12] the historical buildings out there,
[1:07:17] the home and the school.
[1:07:20] And there's a lot of historical societies
[1:07:23] that have things within their counties
[1:07:26] that they protect and are part of.
[1:07:29] And certainly, we wouldn't lose sight of those
[1:07:32] It was a big part of the historical society since they were put out there.
[1:07:38] I know the House was dropped in the 1970s, I think.
[1:07:43] So we will continue to keep good care of those.
[1:07:46] And we're always out there during the fair to give tours.
[1:07:50] And I love that.
[1:07:51] And I still a showcase piece for some.
[1:07:52] I've been on multiple tours out there.
[1:07:54] I love those old buildings.
[1:07:54] But that's a big, I guess, concern or just point of interest for me is, you know, if you're going to have potentially 25,000 people throughout the year visiting that area versus, I mean, how many people in our community even know where this building is located.
[1:08:21] So other than if you know the history of it, I think there's more people that come down
[1:08:28] fifth street than go on fairgrounds and you know our plan is you know maybe put a big
[1:08:34] sign up on the odd fellows buildings say hey three blocks down it's your county museum.
[1:08:39] So we think it'll be very visible it's an iconic building that's in pretty much every
[1:08:44] old photo of Madras and I think another thing you brought up and it's a good point but
[1:08:51] But if we buy that building for $300,000,
[1:08:55] that's probably a good buy even if we bail out of it
[1:08:58] and move into a museum that somebody builds force
[1:09:01] at the fairground.
[1:09:02] It's in the $300,000 and a half a city block.
[1:09:10] So I think it makes good sense just as a purchase
[1:09:17] that alone saving the most iconic building to have.
[1:09:23] Go ahead.
[1:09:24] No, no, no, no.
[1:09:24] I was going to say to me, the museum is Jefferson County Museum.
[1:09:30] It's not just that building, one of the buildings of the Fairfields.
[1:09:36] It's the agon.
[1:09:39] It's the threshing bee.
[1:09:43] I mean, it's all those of them.
[1:09:44] And it's a living or, and this is just a way to help sustain it.
[1:09:50] So that's why we didn't have to go forward.
[1:09:53] Yeah.
[1:09:54] Yeah.
[1:09:58] What do you guys?
[1:10:00] What would you suggest as a move forward or a timeline, or what, what should we expect?
[1:10:09] I might need to noodle on it a little bit. I mean, I mean, obviously you gave us some some the things that we asked for. I think that's fantastic. I'm a little privy to where we stand with budget right now, and it's not pretty. Of course, we haven't gotten to any kind of conclusion on anything, but you know, this is an essence creating a completely new department.
[1:10:34] I'm not necessarily paying member, updated paying member, but I'm consistently a member
[1:10:42] at points in time during the year.
[1:10:46] So I'd have to abstain, I guess.
[1:10:47] I guess I have to abstain, but like I said, I think if your timeline is towards the end
[1:10:55] of April, it gives us a little bit of a runway to keep it kind of top of mind here and have
[1:11:01] some conversations. I know I can reach out to each, I know everybody in this room to
[1:11:07] be able to talk through what things I'm thinking, et cetera.
[1:11:12] I haven't done my
[1:11:13] diligence as far as contacting other commissioners and other counties,
[1:11:17] you know, Gany and Krupp, for instance, Klamath would be a good one to go to as
[1:11:21] well as see how they kind of do things. We offered the grant services, you know, we
[1:11:27] offered global grants to look into anything on their behalf or do we know of
[1:11:37] anything that's out there that we could conceivably get our hands on if we suck
[1:11:41] you know stuck stuck global grants on them
[1:11:51] What's wrong with your voice?
[1:12:25] Is it outside the purview of CBG grants?
[1:12:28] Is this kind of a project outside of a community block grant?
[1:12:32] Um, and so we looked in and out when we were looking at Fairgrounds.
[1:12:38] Community development block grants provide a lot of things but they will not build the museum.
[1:12:43] Not by a little thing, huh?
[1:12:45] We're not building one.
[1:12:49] Fairgrounds, I still call it a museum, let's call it something else.
[1:12:53] Community space.
[1:12:55] But we did look into that, but the other thing with grants, you know, we're real confident
[1:13:01] like the Roundhouse Foundation, even the Bean Foundation.
[1:13:05] We think we can really hit the ground running.
[1:13:08] And, you know, as a historical society, I think that opens the door for us to get a lot
[1:13:13] of grants.
[1:13:14] You know, we're not all professional grant writers and I'm sure we could use that.
[1:13:18] Yeah, I know I think I think that's a that's a huge tool that we've in the city
[1:13:22] You know, and this is a kind of a joint. Yeah, and if you're gonna be asking them for money as well
[1:13:29] This is a by the way. Have you have you had counsel with them yet?
[1:13:33] You guys are it only one of them so far
[1:13:39] No, that would be in the future
[1:13:42] And yeah, but we think it would be a really excellent addition to the city matters too
[1:13:48] So, yeah, we go to the city there.
[1:13:52] Seek their support.
[1:13:55] Well, I think I'll tell you where I stand right now at this moment.
[1:13:58] I'd kind of like to visit with some of you individually.
[1:14:01] And, you know, Mark, you continue your work.
[1:14:04] You can be in this pretty well.
[1:14:06] I'm very appreciative of that.
[1:14:10] Knowing what our deadline is is important.
[1:14:16] So, stop being non-committal or committal.
[1:14:19] Well, I wouldn't throw out an I shouldn't maybe talk out of turn but we have a hundred thousand dollars ready
[1:14:25] Yeah, so if you get to the budget in time and you want to say we'll let we'll do a hundred now
[1:14:32] And then save that your second hundred for two years down
[1:14:36] Because it's two hundred now get a hundred and twenty-one months
[1:14:41] Potentially
[1:14:42] We can we're trying not to we're trying to save what we have in order so we can invest in the remodel
[1:14:49] I think it would be, I think it would be, I think we would lend credence to even having
[1:14:54] in those conversations with being, you know, say hey, we're, we've
[1:15:01] If you feel it's important, show your skin. And some of those things. And like I said, I think the other thing is we try to getting the building captured. I don't think that's the problem. I really don't. I think it's the sustainability of it into the future.
[1:15:19] You know, you got your one third of the way there with what's already in the budget that thanks to Commissioner Ayer back in the day.
[1:15:27] So, you know, like I said, I'm not kicking the can, but let's get serious about having conversations and you continue the work that you've been doing and it was loop forward.
[1:15:40] Yeah, no, and that's part of the reason why I wanted to bring him here today was to to refresh this conversation
[1:15:46] Knowing that the end of April is kind of a deadline for purchase of the property and and give them feedback of
[1:15:54] What they need to do in the meantime and then I was planning to invite them back with more more information
[1:16:01] Direction from you guys once or twice and see where we can get to before the end of April was my thought process time wise
[1:16:09] this way. Who's the property over there? Link? It's Link, the group that's behind you.
[1:16:19] Very, very familiar. Thank you. Any more questions or directions or you guys want to reach
[1:16:27] out to them individually? Yeah, I think that I'll be reaching out and I'm going to be reaching
[1:16:35] not some others to see kind of what our options I know that I'm coming late into the game
[1:16:42] you guys have been talking about this for a while apparently so I'm trying to get caught
[1:16:45] up so it's it's one of those things right you know my mind's always going a hundred miles
[1:16:51] an hour and I'm sure that 90% of the stuff that's popping into my mind you guys have already
[1:16:56] hit and covered so just want to all right but thank you for coming here today.
[1:17:01] Do you have a, before you had, do you have a scheduled meeting coming up yesterday?
[1:17:13] Why did, did you want to come and go, I just thought, hey, it would be great to capture
[1:17:17] all in the same, same ring, okay, this is, I know where to get hold of him, I know where
[1:17:23] to find you, I know where to find you, and you, this, but this is a large element of our
[1:17:30] So, yeah, I think direction is maybe reach out to some private people at some level.
[1:17:38] The county is interested and you reach out to some private partners and I think you can
[1:17:46] definitely say we're interested in helping you at some level and see what the buy-in is
[1:17:51] from some of them.
[1:17:53] So, the more we can get certain partners, at least a warm buy-in and wanting to help, I think
[1:17:59] it helps make things stronger as a whole.
[1:18:04] So, yeah.
[1:18:06] All right.
[1:18:07] Thank you.
[1:18:07] So, these three minutes were like, for the long run.
[1:18:09] Yeah.
[1:18:10] And then, yeah, Jeff, can you connect them with global grants
[1:18:24] opportunities?
[1:18:37] Of course.
[1:18:37] It's too late to ask a capital to request.
[1:18:45] Yeah.
[1:18:46] Okay.
[1:18:47] Thank you very much.
[1:18:48] Thank you guys.
[1:18:49] Thanks.
[1:18:51] Okay.
[1:18:54] Good morning. Good morning. May or do you name for the name for the record please.
[1:19:01] John Standell, Mayor Matilda, it seems like 4 out of 10 is 9-7-7-4-1.
[1:19:09] So, pardon me?
[1:19:13] I don't know if I want to sit down, but anyway,
[1:19:23] we submitted a letter to Jeff in the city
[1:19:27] to help the grant deaf wasn't here.
[1:19:31] I gave it the game and he said that for a half years
[1:19:35] he needs to go before the commissioners
[1:19:37] were trying to get assistance to have the county
[1:19:43] or Brian with the county sheriff's office
[1:19:48] to write us a grant for a generator
[1:19:53] pursue a grant for a generator.
[1:19:55] So we're going in the toilet.
[1:20:00] I'll put in half a mobile generator with transfer switches in our facility. The Department of Energy just recently came out and said that if you 70% likelihood there will be more brownouts. So that is one of the things regarding the city and Natalius. And then regarding the VFW and the fly poll, we submitted our vice commander. And the commander submitted the vote.
[1:20:30] whether to you, we've got time, we'll forget the Memorial Day thing, we'd rather do it right,
[1:20:38] do it once.
[1:20:40] And then the V of W is attempting to mend our differences with the Jefferson County Senior.
[1:20:47] We think it's moving positively.
[1:20:51] And we are pleased that the Redmond Community Center
[1:20:59] is got a grant from St. Charles that everyone
[1:21:03] helped the community center.
[1:21:08] The overall thing includes us.
[1:21:11] And I just submitted for a grant for $6,500
[1:21:16] to improve the office situation as the senior center.
[1:21:22] And that is installed.
[1:21:24] There's still a few other items.
[1:21:27] We met with the fairer board, and that went positive.
[1:21:30] We asked them to consider replacing the flag bulls and also allowing us that the W to
[1:21:43] have it permanent spot inside the fairer grounds during fairer and perpetuity throughout
[1:21:53] were us private.
[1:21:57] And then, let's see. So, take a look at the flagpole issue, after
[1:22:04] the cemetery. We get time, and you'll do whatever you want. And then, regarding the museum,
[1:22:11] I'm actually the advocate of the museum as a part of the fairgrounds because of the
[1:22:31] So I had a question on your generators and your one generator multiple transmit switches.
[1:22:44] So what would this generator be powering the entire city?
[1:22:49] the public works department, the city hall and the depot separately, because we can't
[1:23:01] afford true generators, you guys got your big generators, what with those 100 kilowatt
[1:23:07] or something?
[1:23:13] Nobody.
[1:23:14] Somebody.
[1:23:15] We've got two big generators, we don't need that, we're asking for a 30 kilowatt generator,
[1:23:20] to be able to move it, and we're going to incorporate our own welder with that trailer so we
[1:23:28] can weld on the movie.
[1:23:33] All right.
[1:23:34] Have you talked to Skidjula at all about the generators at all?
[1:23:38] Right.
[1:23:38] Brainskidjula.
[1:23:39] Yeah.
[1:23:40] Well, I have just a conversation, just a book, John, we can't do it because of you along.
[1:23:49] We have to have counsel to write it and give them the letter from the city, but I have
[1:23:57] talked about your generators that you just prepared, so that sounds really fun.
[1:24:06] I'm a big advocate for military guys, I'm talking about the operations that I think.
[1:24:12] I actually think the fairgrounds, the museum, the library should look at that whole thing
[1:24:28] Is this the work that you've done with them?
[1:24:33] This is what I asked them to present us with something official and then my plan is
[1:24:41] I talked to Tony about this.
[1:24:44] So my plan is that Tony and I will go up there and take a look and then he'll give me his good bad
[1:24:54] and nuggles and then hopefully either...
[1:25:00] All of us, some representatives from the VFW and Tony can go over and find a middle ground. And if the price tag is too big on this, then we're going to have to go for some outside funding for different things or some donations. So we need to. But that's all part of it. So this was the first. I just was making sure that this was this. I want this. So I asked for the three things.
[1:25:26] The use of B word, the bond thing,
[1:25:32] there you go, but no, I think that this was thank
[1:25:38] you for this and tell the guys I appreciate the timeliness of this as well just so that
[1:25:45] we can have everything in black and white officially and then we can move forward.
[1:25:51] So, across the board, VFW, I think, for Charlie Mike, moving forward, continuing to mention
[1:26:00] it sounds good with the Jefferson County seniors, we would appreciate that they reported
[1:26:09] to you one other thing. We'd like to put our sign out in front of the community center.
[1:26:21] We use the same vendor that we use, and we'll pay for it.
[1:26:26] We use the same vendor that, I don't know if I could help with these on that deal or not.
[1:26:32] But rub graphics did their signage out trying, and we'll use the same vendor, same motif.
[1:26:40] We'd like you to consider that.
[1:26:44] And then we have the quasi and perpetuity a sign of our own, our, we have a play kind
[1:26:53] of visual representation of ourselves in the community, so it's not just for, you know,
[1:27:00] out in the periphery of the nowhere else.
[1:27:05] Is that somewhere in your being a shameless plug of your event coming up the end of the
[1:27:09] month here?
[1:27:09] Yeah.
[1:27:09] 2019 we have our big dinner, sponsored by the BFW and we're hit, you're all of course invited.
[1:27:22] And by the way, part of our mending deal with the Jefferson County seniors is a congregate.
[1:27:29] We are offering up some discount so they can get in because you know, most of people are poor.
[1:27:37] Otherwise, they wouldn't be eating at the community center.
[1:27:43] So, something five blocks off or down.
[1:27:46] I can't remember what Mike did.
[1:27:49] But I'm subordinate to them.
[1:27:52] I'm the judge advocate, much lower position.
[1:27:56] Both those guys are operating at 100%.
[1:27:59] I'm operating at 70%.
[1:28:03] That's pretty much it.
[1:28:04] All right, thank you Sean, thank you George Kirk 150 Northeast Tenshreet a.k.a. 70 100 Southwest
[1:28:15] Shadow Road. So a couple of concerns is with like you know everybody's hurting for budgets and
[1:28:23] funding being cut you know like the city talked about last night they're looking but possibly a
[1:28:28] dollar budget shortfall, you know, the fire department asking for a bond this year, the library
[1:28:35] wants to expand, they're asking for a bond this year. The MAC is asking for a bond this year to
[1:28:41] to sustain the operate. I think that the historical society should ask the public for a bond to see
[1:28:49] if that's what we really want. I mean, if they ask for maybe like 25 cents per thousand or something
[1:28:56] might be able to be approved, but I think it would be very irresponsible of all three commissioners if they just decided to give $100,000 of my or and everybody in the county's money way, especially with a lot of my friends, family, that people who could river, we would prefer that you give $100,000 here in Mr. Pollock so we could have a share of running around out there, you know, patrolling and keeping it safe out there, not that they don't get called, but you know, it's always
[1:29:26] nice to have a deputy you know present just we don't call but have a deputy
[1:29:32] president prevents crime prevention sees a deputy old crap a better not speed
[1:29:36] or better not commit crimes with nobody here but if you never see a deputy
[1:29:39] you're more likely to commit crimes but I think the $100 a thousand a year would
[1:29:44] be very irresponsible because you're going up 90 percent if you're given ten
[1:29:48] thousand now you go to a hundred thousand you're going 90 percent up and then
[1:29:52] $200,000 for building, you can put $200,000 to buy the building and then $200,000 to also
[1:30:01] Remodel. Another concern is, so what if you do throw $500,000 of 200 for the building, $200 for
[1:30:08] construction, and $100,000 for operation costs? There's going to be change orders to fix
[1:30:13] the building, so that really, it's always change orders when you're doing remodeling, so
[1:30:18] it's going to cost more. It's just not feasible. Another concern is, if they do open, we give
[1:30:23] five hundred thousand dollars a half a million dollars and then they realize oh we can't operate
[1:30:32] on this money that we already have we're gonna have to come ask for two hundred and fifty to sustain
[1:30:37] and they can't do it so then they just close so then that will be big news if you give five hundred
[1:30:43] thousand dollars right away in the first year and they just close because they're not open and I
[1:30:49] believe there's grants and they should ask the public because if you just give five hundred
[1:30:52] thousand dollars away then they realize we can't operate and they close. I guarantee you
[1:30:58] that there will be three brand new commissioners. If you lose half a million dollars we're
[1:31:04] money. Thanks for your comments George. Thanks.
[1:31:10] We do have revenue that comes in a multitude
[1:31:14] of different assets and there are specific ways we can spend that money and can't spend
[1:31:24] eventually go to something like this, whether it's their whole ask or not, is beside the point, but some of that money can't go to the sheriff.
[1:31:34] And currently with the sheriff's update today is he's fully staffed on the patrol side with what the original FTE was for the last two, two and a half years.
[1:31:50] We've gave them latitude to hire two extra patrol staff, and those positions are still open, so we are supporting the sheriff, and we understand that, but thanks for your comments.
[1:32:11] Thanks, George.
[1:32:13] Laura.
[1:32:14] I wanted to follow up to Mr. Stamford's comment, I'm sorry, Laura Moore, Jefferson County
[1:32:22] Veterans Service Office regarding the signage on the senior center.
[1:32:26] I just want you to also, if you're going to look at doing the VFW to consider where the
[1:32:32] American Legion is in that, because they also meet there.
[1:32:36] So I think, you know, if they also want signage and probably appropriate to do that, you know, at the same time.
[1:32:44] So there's just a thought.
[1:32:48] Thank you.
[1:32:49] Thanks, Lauren.
[1:33:03] Thank you.
[1:33:04] Thank you.
[1:33:04] Thank you.
[1:33:05] Thank you.
[1:33:05] Do we need anyone online?
[1:33:12] I think Laura, was she wanting to try to get out of here?
[1:33:15] I don't want to wait on the sign.
[1:33:17] I want to make sure that if you didn't say anything,
[1:33:21] that anybody that wants to sign piece of motion,
[1:33:24] tell me my suggestion is that that building
[1:33:26] that the senior organization is really pleased to,
[1:33:31] that nothing may be purchased,
[1:33:33] allocated or anything that totally goes for the system.
[1:33:35] Yep.
[1:33:36] In the past, someone has come in, said they had a plan, and it looks to be something to
[1:33:42] install.
[1:33:43] Yep.
[1:33:44] No.
[1:33:45] A hundred percent.
[1:33:46] This is county property.
[1:33:47] We need to go through the proper channels, regardless of if it's privately funded or not.
[1:33:52] It needs to be approved through Tony, and if Tony needs assistance come through us, but it
[1:33:58] is county property, and there is a process, whether there's any kind of improvements need
[1:34:05] be approved through Tony. So thank you for that reminder. No more public comment? Okay Bora,
[1:34:14] thank you for your patience. We'll get you in and out. I have two things in there. Eat two.
[1:34:20] Two and eight three. Okay, let's do eat two real quick which is uh looks like a correction to our
[1:34:26] copy your contract what's the correction yeah
[1:34:41] the when I sent these last
[1:34:45] signed contract they responded saying that the PO number was incorrect and
[1:34:51] then that also they were incorrect on the the per copy price is actually lower
[1:35:00] All right. Move to sign the corrected canon contract acknowledgement in Lina purchase order for veteran service office previously signed on February 12th, 2025 as m-028-25. That's signed by the chair. Second. Your motion and a second any further discussion? All those in favor of the corrected con canon contract? Please state by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Motion carries. And eight, three.
[1:35:29] or at a state travel.
[1:35:36] So this is the conference we attend every year nationally.
[1:35:42] It travels all over the US and this year it's going to be in Kentucky.
[1:35:50] So just important to note just so you know for budget is that generally the conference
[1:35:56] is held in May or June most years but this year is going to be held in July
[1:36:00] which is going to be a new fiscal year for us so and then the one next year is in Reno and
[1:36:07] that was in May so we're going to have two conferences in one fiscal year so I'm asking for
[1:36:14] permission to attend but also you know carry out those those funds so we can fund both of those
[1:36:21] in the same fiscal year. Yeah it makes sense. Perfect. My motion to authorize for out-of-state travel
[1:36:28] for Lowermore and Kevin Ellensberg.
[1:36:30] Do attend the 2025 National Association of County Veteran Service
[1:36:33] Officer Conference, July 13 through 18, 2025.
[1:36:38] Second.
[1:36:39] You got a motion and a second.
[1:36:41] Any further discussion?
[1:36:44] All those in favor of the out of state travel for lower and Kevin,
[1:36:47] please state by saying aye.
[1:36:49] Aye.
[1:36:49] Aye.
[1:36:50] Motion carries.
[1:36:51] Thank you so much.
[1:36:52] Great day, Laura.
[1:36:53] Thank you.
[1:36:53] in
[1:37:02] formal time, the 13th of all time, which is our Madras Aquatic Center in
[1:37:09] recreation district. All right, come on up, 28 minutes behind schedule.
[1:37:26] Good morning
[1:37:26] commissioners. Good morning. Names for the record when you get a chance. So for
[1:37:32] the record, Courtney Sneat, executive director of the MAC Recreation District in
[1:37:37] and Janelle Lewis, our board vice chair,
[1:37:39] is here with you as well, how's it going?
[1:37:42] And else, we didn't expect to give you a 22-page slideshow,
[1:37:49] but I wanted to take this opportunity
[1:37:50] to give you a bunch of information about stuff that's going on.
[1:37:53] So I'm not going to go through all of it,
[1:37:54] but you have it in case you want to take a look at it,
[1:37:57] and ask any questions.
[1:38:00] So as you scroll through, we've got some history.
[1:38:03] I wanted to just touch base real quick
[1:38:05] that we do have a number of planning documents and have done quite a bit of
[1:38:10] community outreach over the last few years to try and identify what the
[1:38:15] priorities are of the communities that we serve within the district. And if you
[1:38:20] go to the next one, right now in our 10-year master plan we're focused on
[1:38:25] sustainability which is the first piece of the feedback we received that the
[1:38:32] district needs to kind of get our house in order and figure out how to operate sustainably.
[1:38:36] And so that's what we're doing with the measures that are on the ballot in May, and
[1:38:45] the goal of that is to not have to come before you in the future and ask for tax
[1:38:48] anticipation loans, which is why we are here this morning.
[1:38:52] So Lindsay, if you want to just want it to remind you, if you go back one, we give all
[1:38:59] All second graders at the 599J School District swim lessons every year.
[1:39:03] This is a picture of our Worms Springs Cade second graders this year, and I'm life-garning
[1:39:07] in the background because we don't have enough staff right now, right?
[1:39:12] That should not be a photo, so if you want to go to the next thing.
[1:39:17] In this presentation, one of the things that we had the board look at in the last few months
[1:39:22] is really defining what sustainability means and trying to demonstrate the things that
[1:39:27] we're currently able to do versus the things that we know we should be doing as a responsible
[1:39:32] public organization that is required to follow at least 15 different state codes and laws
[1:39:39] and rules just as you all are.
[1:39:41] So the next few pages, if you just want to click through, kind of talk through the definitions
[1:39:46] of sustainability and identify, you know, what happens if the measures pass within the first
[1:39:51] couple years, within the next three to five years, and then also tries to identify what
[1:39:56] we're already doing. And so as you kind of go through the next three or four
[1:40:00] You can see there's not a lot of underlined things because there's not a lot of things we can currently do with the funding level that we have. I also have in the presentation some data for you about participation numbers. Despite having to cut programs and services over the last few years, our participation rates are all up in all the things that we do. And so this kind of shows you how aquatics has grown over the years, land-based programming, which is sports and enrichment.
[1:40:29] And then overall, you know, in the last year, we've just seen a boom in folks participating.
[1:40:34] If you want to go to the next one, this is a breakdown of programs that require pre-registration.
[1:40:40] So this is swim lessons, all of our different sports programs, tackle football, flag football,
[1:40:46] soccer, all the things.
[1:40:47] And you can see that over the last few years, our participation is booming in these activities.
[1:40:53] If you go to the next slide, there's a lot of talk out there about our lack of open
[1:40:58] and swims. Part of that is it requires about $1,500 to run an open swim for three hours
[1:41:04] and we recover about $600 of that with fees. So property taxes subsidize us being able
[1:41:12] to be open for open swim. But despite cutting it, we've got the highest number of people participating
[1:41:18] in open swims and it's a supply and demand thing. So now that we only offer them twice a
[1:41:23] months, they're full, and we're able to cover the cost of offering that.
[1:41:28] If you go to the next slide, this is just a, it's hard to read, but it's a visual representation
[1:41:33] of overall program participation since 2018-19.
[1:41:38] Our data prior to that is, I don't trust it, I'm just going to say it that way, but you
[1:41:44] can see that during the asterisk year that we will not talk about, it was really low in
[1:41:49] them, it's just been booming since.
[1:41:52] And we expect that trying to continue growing if the measures successfully pass.
[1:41:58] If you go to the next slide, also another really important piece is memberships.
[1:42:03] Most of those are, as you can see in that far right, third party health insurance.
[1:42:08] Most of those are supported by Medicare.
[1:42:11] So it's for our seniors who are doing fitness workouts in the morning.
[1:42:14] If you come up to the pool between 9 and 11, you'll see probably 20 to 40 people in there exercising
[1:42:20] because it's way easier to do in the water than it is on land once you get to a
[1:42:24] certain age. I want to go to the next slide. So I just I want you guys to have
[1:42:30] this information in case you're asked and I also am trying to get it out as
[1:42:33] much as possible. If the measures don't pass our current reduced hours will be
[1:42:37] reduced further. I'm not even sure as I've been working on the budget that we're
[1:42:42] going to be able to be open for the hours that are presented here because we'll go
[1:42:46] So down to three staff, right now we've got about 20 to 30 staff members, seasonally depending
[1:42:52] on when that is, we will go down to three staff members if the measures don't pass because
[1:42:58] instead of funding people to do programming, we're going to have to fund facility improvements
[1:43:05] because we're caught in a really tricky situation financially.
[1:43:10] If we have any mechanical or capital figures, we're going to be looking to all of our friends
[1:43:14] and partners across Jefferson County as well as grants and there's not a lot of grants
[1:43:19] for maintenance repairs to try and fund it and if we can't find that money then we will
[1:43:24] close until we can save enough money. That puts us in another tricky situation because
[1:43:29] we'll lay everybody off and then it'll be tough to get folks to come back. If you go to the
[1:43:33] next slide I just want to point out that third bullet point if the measures don't pass that
[1:43:38] we'll have to explore options for someone else taken over operation of the recreation district
[1:43:43] and you all are on our list so we'll be looking to the county or the city of
[1:43:47] Madras or somebody maybe a private organization to take over operating the
[1:43:50] district because at the point at which those measures don't pass we don't
[1:43:56] really have another option. That's out of pool. I'm sorry. That's out of pool. That's
[1:44:01] everything. That's a aquatic facility. That's sports enrichment all the
[1:44:06] different programs. If the measures don't pass the board is going to be talking
[1:44:09] about it. Our next board meeting March 19th, not offering any sports or land-based activities
[1:44:14] next year. So that 250 kids that were in basketball will not be in basketball. We are in a severe
[1:44:24] budget pickle. And that's the reason last year the measures were put on the ballot. They
[1:44:29] failed by one failed by about 95 votes. And that's why the board is chosen to put it on again.
[1:44:37] I'm not sure that there is the will to put it on again if it doesn't pass this time.
[1:44:43] And so we're talking about super significant impacts and reductions.
[1:44:48] If you go to the next slide, because I like to end on a positive note, if it measures
[1:44:53] past, we'll be able to triple our hours.
[1:44:56] That's all dependent on how quickly we can onboard staff to help.
[1:45:00] We will provide those hours at the back. So I'm not sure part of that is contingent upon the discussion with you all about the tax anticipation loan. So we'll get to that in a moment. But the goal is to triple the hours by next summer with those staffing adjustments. So you can see right now we're operating during the school year with 27 to 30 hours a week open to the public. And we would go to 61 hours a week, which is a doubling during the school year.
[1:45:27] and to 76 hours a week during the summer.
[1:45:30] So this gets us really excited.
[1:45:34] And then if you go to the next slide,
[1:45:35] we can begin the process.
[1:45:37] We have to redo our locker room walls.
[1:45:39] I don't know if anybody remembers a few years ago.
[1:45:42] I don't know if you're sure.
[1:45:44] A few short years ago, it came out that the walls were not put
[1:45:47] in properly into our locker rooms.
[1:45:48] They were done with drywall in a wet environment.
[1:45:50] And so they're crumbling from the inside out.
[1:45:52] We've got about three to five years to replace them.
[1:45:55] It's about a 1.2 estimated million dollar project to do that.
[1:45:59] And so in addition to that, we have new aquatic health codes we'll have to follow, which
[1:46:04] I'll also talk about in a second, when that project comes up.
[1:46:06] So that may actually be more than 1.2 million because of that.
[1:46:10] Anyway, we're really excited about the possibility of partnering with the county on programming,
[1:46:15] on Shared Comes Park, and all kinds of other fun things should the measures pass.
[1:46:20] We want to go to the next slide.
[1:46:22] Okay, I needed to take a moment and talk about this because this is new and your county
[1:46:26] health department will be responsible for implementing these rules and holding us accountable
[1:46:32] for following them.
[1:46:34] In our state's infinite wisdom, they have adopted the Model Health, Model Aquatic Health
[1:46:40] Code, which is a best practice document for operating an Aquatics facility, both as it relates
[1:46:45] to the asset itself and how we operate with staffing in the pool.
[1:46:50] And I just brought for visual impact, all of those yellow tabs are money, that we currently
[1:46:56] are not spending, that we will be spending because of these new regulations that the state
[1:47:01] has.
[1:47:02] So, kindly giving us two weeks to respond to, that they're implementing mid-March.
[1:47:08] I don't know what the timeline is for us being shut down for not being in compliance, but
[1:47:13] I can tell you that every pool east of the cascades is in non-compliance with these new rules.
[1:47:18] We met a few weeks ago in how to discussion about it.
[1:47:23] So it's about $150,000 next year that we'll have to invest because of this asset management
[1:47:32] related stuff, preventative maintenance stuff that as a small district we just don't have
[1:47:36] in place that will now be required.
[1:47:39] Lots of documentation that we don't currently have on preventative maintenance, staffing
[1:47:46] levels that are higher than what we currently have. We're close to best practice on staffing
[1:47:51] levels. We've done some work over the last three years, but we're not quite compliant.
[1:47:56] And so we're waiting with beta breath to see if they're going to give us a runway to
[1:48:01] come into compliance, or if it'll be a, hey, March 15th, we're going to shut you down if
[1:48:06] you're not in compliance. I hope they don't go that route. I hope they give us until at least
[1:48:10] January of 26. I'm kind of hoping for January of 27. Because like I said, and I'm the facilities
[1:48:18] guy right now. So you're saying we're one of only 10 states that have adopted these standards.
[1:48:27] That's correct. And what are some of the examples of these standards?
[1:48:32] So for the one that's super impactful is how they're calculating bather load.
[1:48:38] Beta load is the number of people and bodies that can be in the water at one time.
[1:48:43] Right now our building occupancy is 375.
[1:48:47] The new Beta load calculations limit us to 158.
[1:48:51] So that's one significant example that impacts how we operate.
[1:48:55] Another one is we're required to have a lifeguard at the top of the slide and the bottom of the
[1:49:00] slide.
[1:49:01] Right now we have a deck attendant who's a 14 year old implementing rules at the top
[1:49:05] of the slide.
[1:49:06] But now we'll have to put two lifeguards.
[1:49:08] So instead of spending $14 an hour, we'll be spending $56 an hour for every hour that we have the slide open.
[1:49:17] So it's, and people get very angry if the slide isn't that way.
[1:49:20] And so there's that children get very angry.
[1:49:23] And they'll appear.
[1:49:24] Is there, is there any, couldn't go on the slide while they were there for Rex?
[1:49:28] Oh, yeah.
[1:49:28] Is there anything we can do about this now reaching out to people doing that kind of stuff?
[1:49:32] summarize it and give me a give me a
[1:49:34] I'll forge you my comments that I made to the yeah
[1:49:38] Kelly will whip out a lot of going to
[1:49:40] J absolutely
[1:49:43] ORPA and SDAO is also involved
[1:49:46] I mean they literally we found out at the SDAO conference February 8th that
[1:49:50] comments were open and were extended to February 25th and that it would be
[1:49:54] implemented March 1st
[1:49:58] State of work. There you go.
[1:50:00] So I just, I wanted to bring this to your attention because as a huge impact and the whole aquatic's professionals community is. We want to do best practice. Should it be the law? No, no, no, you said something earlier that east side, you know, east side versus west side. What's the difference? Well, we met as an east side. We have a dry sideers meeting that we do every quarter. So it's, we do too.
[1:50:25] Or Boardman, Hermiston, Ontario, the Mac,
[1:50:30] Primeville, Sisters.
[1:50:31] It's like all of us that have facilities on this side of the map.
[1:50:34] But the rules aren't different for Eastern and Western.
[1:50:36] No, no, no, no.
[1:50:37] Okay, so this impacts everybody.
[1:50:39] And to all it's in hills, they have their own, you know,
[1:50:42] they have a lot of money.
[1:50:43] They have their own legislative people that are on this, too.
[1:50:48] But, you know, we don't have those kind of resources as dry ciders,
[1:50:51] which is why we meet together.
[1:50:54] There you go.
[1:50:55] What hurts?
[1:50:56] So you said you and Matilda, right?
[1:50:58] You're Hermiston?
[1:50:58] Yep.
[1:50:59] Who else would be a big, big player?
[1:51:02] Boardman.
[1:51:03] Ontario.
[1:51:05] LaGrand.
[1:51:07] Union.
[1:51:08] Malala.
[1:51:09] It's not dry ciders, but they have a small district.
[1:51:12] Beautiful place, too.
[1:51:14] Court County.
[1:51:15] Really?
[1:51:16] They have their outdoor pool during the summer.
[1:51:18] I mean, some of the outdoor pools in the summer
[1:51:20] have different rules than what we do.
[1:51:22] I'm assuming Kanita is also impacted potentially
[1:51:25] as an aquatic facility.
[1:51:28] I'm assuming that Redmond is impacted
[1:51:30] as they're building an aquatic facility
[1:51:33] because there's also a whole bunch of new rules
[1:51:35] about building new facilities that we,
[1:51:37] unless we substantially alter,
[1:51:39] which we can't get an answer with,
[1:51:40] that means I'm guessing we're doing locker rooms
[1:51:44] as substantially altering.
[1:51:46] Then you have to come into compliance
[1:51:47] with the building stuff.
[1:51:47] That's cool. So you said you don't know what the penalties are for non-compliance quite yet because there is there in your dry ciders meeting is there a consensus that you know can be united front on OK, yes, I would say even be with the Aquatics professionals community. There's a united for good because that's always a good way to get your voice. Yeah, do you want to go to the next one? Why I'm really here. So
[1:52:20] Historically, the county has given us a tax anticipation loan to get us through July to November
[1:52:26] when property tax revenues come in. It's a loan. It's mutually beneficial. Y'all make 6%
[1:52:31] interest off of us. And then we get to have cash flow for those months before the property
[1:52:36] taxes come in. This year it's even more critical. We are looking to end the fiscal year in a deficit.
[1:52:43] And so those funds would be super helpful in May and June to get us through that piece. And then
[1:52:49] and also to get us through to November.
[1:52:52] If the measures pass, we need, we hope,
[1:52:56] to try and hire staff as soon as humanly possible
[1:52:59] so that we can ramp up our hours.
[1:53:00] Because when people vote and they see it passed,
[1:53:02] they're gonna expect that we have the hours immediately.
[1:53:06] It's gonna take us a minute to get people lifeguards certified
[1:53:08] and hired and all that kind of stuff.
[1:53:11] So if we have a larger tax anticipation loan,
[1:53:14] last year you gave us 250,000.
[1:53:17] and we use 212,000 of it.
[1:53:22] This year we're hoping for 400,000 so that we can,
[1:53:26] like I said, quickly on board new staff.
[1:53:29] If the measures don't pass, we won't need 400,000.
[1:53:32] Part of it's going to depend on what the board decides
[1:53:34] if we're going to operate the pool this summer,
[1:53:37] if we're going to do any programming, what that looks like.
[1:53:41] Because if we do, if the measures don't pass,
[1:53:45] will be probably laying staff off like the middle of June as soon as we're done
[1:53:50] with the school year and I don't know what kind of staffing we'll have for the
[1:53:52] summer so it could be that we need less but within that tax anticipation loan
[1:53:57] 50,000 of it is earmarked to replace our domestic water heater I've got to
[1:54:03] reset her we call her her she's very temperamental got her about 30 times a
[1:54:08] day right now to try and keep the showers warm. She's 20 years old, 17 years old, operating 24
[1:54:17] seven. So I got some quotes. The quotes came back at about 42,000. So I've got a little bit of
[1:54:22] a buffer in there just in case they've got to replace piping and that kind of stuff. But again,
[1:54:27] that's all part of the loan that we will repay and that we are paying 6% interest on. So
[1:54:32] So we're hoping that the county is still open to providing that tax anticipation loan as
[1:54:39] I said, a mutually beneficial loan to us.
[1:54:43] So I love, you know, loans versus just grant, my name's given out, or whatever.
[1:54:53] So you typically asked for 200,000, you want to double that to 400,000?
[1:54:57] Right.
[1:55:00] If you don't receive the $400,000, $50,000 out of that $200, we'll still go to the heater, okay? So if it, if,
[1:55:11] if it doesn't pass, you just, you said that, um, you won't need all the $400,000. So my thought is, can we give you, is it possible to give you the current loan of $200,000? And then, if it's,
[1:55:32] Passes come back for the remainder of what you need or is that yes
[1:55:39] Last year was 250
[1:55:41] So I would ask you to keep it. That's what I had that number down 250 and then when you said 200
[1:55:47] I was like oh, where am I used to be 200 than it got up last year. Okay
[1:55:51] Part of it is that we close every September and we do a lot of maintenance and things
[1:55:56] And so we have a lot of expenses that month before we get our taxes in so the 250 helps us
[1:56:02] deal with that. So yes, it would be totally reasonable and acceptable and helpful to get
[1:56:08] the 250 kind of approved. And then if the measures pass, we can come back and ask for
[1:56:12] the additional.
[1:56:13] Is that a problem with our budget? Oh, is that going to be good to work with our budget?
[1:56:18] Okay. No, not in the funds that we typically utilize to provide this anticipation. Okay.
[1:56:25] It would help us. Commissioner Taylor to have a sense of whether or not the commission
[1:56:30] would approve up to that 400 so that as we're doing our budgeting and planning
[1:56:35] that we have a sense if that's an option or if I need to figure out
[1:56:39] alternatives or really hit home that we're not going to be able to increase
[1:56:42] staffing until January. I my personal belief just begin for myself as I I really
[1:56:51] want to wait and see what our community says before I commit to that much more
[1:56:57] alone because my fear is if we give you $400,000, that's the ability to pay it back if
[1:57:02] it doesn't go through. And so it comes back. It comes right out. Okay. You just pull
[1:57:09] it right out. You just pull it right out of property taxes. So it goes to that money.
[1:57:14] 100% guarantee it gets paid out. Okay. Okay.
[1:57:21] I'm on board with supporting the pool. I'm on board
[1:57:24] to support in the pool for what you're asking if our constituents approve it.
[1:57:30] If I could, if I could say support in the district, because it's more than the pool, it's
[1:57:35] also all the space in the enrichment and all the things.
[1:57:39] We're trying to help people remember to see the whole thing.
[1:57:44] Yeah, no, I think myself included, I see no reason why we wouldn't continue the $250,000
[1:57:52] Now, wait and see how the voters feel about the measure.
[1:57:58] And if they're in support, I definitely want to be that good partner and bridge that gap.
[1:58:04] And so I think it comes down to the voters.
[1:58:06] If they support the work you guys are doing and what you're proposed, I would be the vote of yes,
[1:58:14] how can we help you get there with this guarantee approval by the voters?
[1:58:20] So yeah, that's where I'm at.
[1:58:24] I just want to add really briefly that there's a really active group right now that I'm
[1:58:29] a part of the back of the MACRD going out and marketing the measures.
[1:58:36] So there's two measures again this year.
[1:58:38] We have to dissolve and reform.
[1:58:39] It is not a bond.
[1:58:42] It's to dissolve the district.
[1:58:43] You have to vote yes on that and then vote yes to reform.
[1:58:46] So we're really trying to get the messaging out because we were only short by 95 votes on the dissolving part
[1:58:53] And I think it was very confusing for our constituents last year and so I do not think it was a lack of support
[1:59:00] I think it was the confusion of the ballot and so that's why we're pretty aggressively getting out there with the two yeses
[1:59:06] So trying to spread that word it's voting yes twice if you really do want to support
[1:59:11] No. No. No. Thank you to the commissioners for supporting that measure. Yeah. No, it's
[1:59:16] confusing. I think when we all started this conversation previously, it was confusing
[1:59:22] to us as well as you guys and like all that happened. So the confusion from the voter standpoint
[1:59:28] is challenging. And so I hope you guys success in that education piece because it's difficult
[1:59:36] to explain that.
[1:59:38] So Jeff had something like that.
[1:59:41] If you guys are, kind of, it sounds like
[1:59:44] I can't wish to be on the level of 400 in the past.
[1:59:49] Who could do one moment?
[1:59:51] That says 250.
[1:59:53] If 250 is supposed to be that only first,
[1:59:57] but the payment on the last day at November.
[2:00:14] What I want to know is how valuable is the $50,000 earmark for that domestic water? How does it relate to operations as of today? Is it just a pain in the butt? Because you're going to reset it 30 times? Or is it just flat we're not providing hot water to people taking charge? Depends on the day.
[2:00:31] I mean, if I had, if I had money sitting in a bank account would have been replaced six months ago.
[2:00:37] I mean, it would have been replaced.
[2:00:39] It's more like also customers has faction like having small children that get cold in the pool really easily can't go warm up.
[2:00:47] Right. Well, that's my point.
[2:00:49] I think I've been an advocate in this conversation about the 250 loan and then an advocate for the 50,000 just because it is an asset.
[2:00:57] Now, whether you guys run or not in the future, that's to be told here soon.
[2:01:01] right so somebody's going to need a $50,000 water heater at some point you know
[2:01:08] if this I mean it's not going to sit up their idle no matter what right so I
[2:01:13] would be an advocate for doing 300 at this time to allow them 250 you just kind
[2:01:19] of look at 250 is hey this is operations that gets them through the 50 is this
[2:01:24] tangible piece of equipment that is necessary for the you know to make it run and
[2:01:31] And like I said, if you're going to, it's all not marketing, if you're going to
[2:01:34] tell people, hey, we need you to pass these bonds, and I would have if you had
[2:01:38] warm showers, you know, and I don't want that to be a, I don't want that to be
[2:01:42] a detriment. So there's no difference. Again, coming back to my eyes anyways, there's
[2:01:48] no difference between loan and your 350 because it's collected, we collected
[2:01:52] anyways. We're going to get paid. That's a guarantee that, you know, the
[2:01:56] community needs to understand fully that this isn't a giveaway. This is your
[2:02:00] money that's coming in and if you tell me I need it right now that's fine. I do I do admire
[2:02:07] the other commissioners and I'm not putting words hopefully not putting words in your mouth but
[2:02:11] I do admire the fact that we want to see what the pulse of the community is as to what it's going
[2:02:16] to look like but I don't think fifty thousand dollar water heater is too much of an ask that's my own
[2:02:26] But they can use 50 grand out of the 250 in the meantime, all right?
[2:02:29] Because you used 212 to the last year up until the taxes came in, so November 8th.
[2:02:37] Well, and frankly, the measures don't pass and we're at the 250, we're not even going
[2:02:40] to use that, because the pool might be shut down and we won't be doing any other programming
[2:02:44] or activities.
[2:02:46] So 300,000 wouldn't change?
[2:02:48] Right.
[2:02:48] I actually think 250 is okay.
[2:02:50] I mean, I appreciate the sentiment, for sure.
[2:02:53] because then we can plan to actually replace it in May June instead of waiting until September
[2:02:58] because that 250 will come in May 1st so that's actually super helpful in itself to keep it at
[2:03:05] the 250 but I mean I would rather not because I think when we calculate interest it would not be calculated
[2:03:13] on the extra 150 until we get it in July so I'd rather not pay 6% on that 50,000 if I can save it.
[2:03:21] So you just snatched it from the victor, the jaws of victory here.
[2:03:24] It's fine.
[2:03:26] Fine.
[2:03:27] I appreciate it.
[2:03:28] Oh, that's fine.
[2:03:31] Is that something we would entertain as Jess Proposal of 250 May 1st?
[2:03:38] May 1st.
[2:03:39] And then if both measures pass July 1st, increasing it up to 400.
[2:03:46] and so another 150 July for dependent on the measures.
[2:03:52] So it's more streamlined, everything's set in place
[2:03:55] and as soon as that vote count,
[2:03:59] you guys know we know and there's a plan.
[2:04:03] Is that, no, that's great.
[2:04:07] We need a motion for that.
[2:04:08] No, we'll do a loan agreement.
[2:04:12] I have Alexa work to see if they can get it on there
[2:04:15] or whatever your next board meeting.
[2:04:17] March 19th.
[2:04:21] I'll give that.
[2:04:22] Alexis Browning in work.
[2:04:24] No pun intended.
[2:04:27] As always, thank you, Lexi.
[2:04:29] So, staff directed.
[2:04:32] Thank you.
[2:04:33] What, uh, just, uh, this doesn't put pay any.
[2:04:37] I know you can't.
[2:04:39] What is the, uh, are we having town halls?
[2:04:41] We haven't, are we going to get really serious about.
[2:04:45] Not saying that you're not serious, but.
[2:04:47] I know that the back of the MACRD local action committee is active, they've been tabling
[2:04:59] it.
[2:05:12] No, we're just going to be sending blackmailers, firing cars, being present at local events.
[2:05:21] Anyone has feedback? I just came out with the postcard. Scott Taylor is our spokesperson
[2:05:26] person this year and I'm the Vice Chair for that committee. What the building
[2:05:36] itself, the bond on the building, it's done win. June, this June, 2025. So we have
[2:05:43] two months or three months to pay on it basically. Then it goes away. Yes. That's why
[2:05:49] we're trying to roll that into the permanent tax rate that we're establishing.
[2:05:54] or it goes completely away so that it will keep the current tax rate.
[2:05:58] Yeah, no, I've understood it. I just was curious because I hear conflicting things.
[2:06:05] I thought it was coming up soon and then I've got other people coming out.
[2:06:08] No, the other beer. That's not true.
[2:06:12] To the measures do not pass, we will levy the bond next year for an amount to pay back alone
[2:06:18] that the general fund has to make to the debt service fund to make the final payment
[2:06:22] because of the PG&E tax refund situation so we will levy convoluted much less than we have
[2:06:29] historically to make that general loan payment back if the measures do not pass.
[2:06:35] All right we've got staff got everybody got idea what we're doing direction.
[2:06:40] Yes thank you guys absolutely hey boss man do we think yeah let's take a quick little break we're
[2:06:50] We're behind schedules and then we'll come back and jump through some of these things
[2:06:54] real quick. So let's be back in three minutes.
[2:07:09] Okay, welcome back. Let's go back to the beginning here. I would entertain a motion on the consent
[2:07:17] agenda. There's one move to approve consent agenda six one through six three second.
[2:07:25] Any further discussion?
[2:07:27] All those in favor of approval of consent agenda item 612 and 3.
[2:07:32] Please state by saying aye.
[2:07:33] Aye.
[2:07:34] Aye.
[2:07:35] Motion carries.
[2:07:38] Good executive session that we're late for at 10 p.m.
[2:07:41] 6 o'clock Board of Commissioner Meeney and Senator Ranch tonight.
[2:07:46] And 8-1 GIS.
[2:07:56] Yeah, can you do it please.
[2:08:00] Any staff update on this?
[2:08:06] State one.
[2:08:07] Standard MOU with City of Madras for GIS transfer of information.
[2:08:18] I know it's a data sharing agreement that I have reviewed, but I don't know what it entails.
[2:08:24] That's a GIS moisture for sure.
[2:08:26] If we were going to send a letter to somebody that would know what would be I'd put on the
[2:08:30] front of the envelope.
[2:08:31] Boo.
[2:08:33] G-I-S.
[2:08:36] Ray?
[2:08:42] Ray is on there.
[2:08:43] Are you there, Ray?
[2:08:47] Cool.
[2:08:49] He's running down.
[2:08:51] Come here.
[2:08:51] Keep going.
[2:08:52] I'll go.
[2:08:53] That's great.
[2:08:54] Come here.
[2:08:54] Okay.
[2:08:54] Let's go eight four.
[2:09:00] The motion to prove the salary change order for Isaac Blair building inspector two.
[2:09:05] Six.
[2:09:09] I think this is just continuing Isaac stepping up and
[2:09:13] open us in that interim and some vacancies.
[2:09:18] So appreciate Isaac for doing that and want to make sure he's
[2:09:22] compensated for that extra work that he's doing.
[2:09:26] Any further discussion?
[2:09:27] All those in favor of the salary changer for Isaac?
[2:09:31] Please state by saying aye.
[2:09:32] All right. Hi, motion carries back to 8-1 with our GIS
[2:09:39] Exchange of data with the city of Madras. Ray, thank you. Good morning, commissioners,
[2:09:45] Racelese Jefferson County Assessor's Office. This is our memorandum of understanding,
[2:09:51] same as what we established with Jefferson County soil and water district and it's just for our
[2:09:56] annual subscription. You've already approved that MOU. It's the same.
[2:10:00] Okay. Okay. Thank you for that. I will motion to approve the memorandum of
[2:10:09] understanding between Jefferson County and the city of Madras for the exchange of GIS data.
[2:10:16] Second. A motion of the second. Any further discussion on the motion?
[2:10:24] All
[2:10:24] those in favor say aye.
[2:10:28] I. I mean, I think he's not playing around with it. Motion carries.
[2:10:35] Please, that was for you, Will.
[2:10:41] Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it.
[2:10:42] Thank you, Ray.
[2:10:43] Appreciate it.
[2:10:48] I'm correct.
[2:10:48] If I'm wrong, staff.
[2:10:50] We are scratch and eat five.
[2:10:53] Okay.
[2:10:55] We're under needed.
[2:10:57] Eight sex is this Tony?
[2:10:59] Eight sex.
[2:11:00] Yes.
[2:11:01] Change order for our Sheriff's Office public health storage building.
[2:11:06] change order number two is the mobile health clinic plug-in. It's a 220 plug-in.
[2:11:12] It can be added so they can keep their clinic, mobile clinic or batteries
[2:11:18] charge things cool. The HVAC permits that we normally cover. They went ahead
[2:11:26] and purchased them just because the contractor purchased them because of
[2:11:30] timing. So he purchased them and then so this is basically counting for those
[2:11:35] cost. Change order three is the electrical overhead doors. So the contractor
[2:11:41] originally thought that that was part of the bid. So he purchased them and is
[2:11:46] willing to eat that cost. But there is a change order for $7,200 for getting
[2:11:51] the electricity to six grudge. Yeah, six grudge door.
[2:12:00] I like him eating the cost. I do think it's going to be beneficial just to have
[2:12:04] electric roll up over manual or because of the variety of staff they'll be using the doors
[2:12:12] both on public outside and sheriff's side.
[2:12:14] Trying to initial cost, we try to keep costs as low as we could just so.
[2:12:18] Absolutely, and I appreciate that.
[2:12:20] There is a value for sure.
[2:12:22] Yep, huge value and we're getting this counted rate and that value.
[2:12:29] Okay, all motion approved.
[2:12:30] The purchase requisition form sheriff's office and public health storage,
[2:12:33] building change order number two and number three in the amount of $12,200.
[2:12:38] Second.
[2:12:39] The motion in a second, any further discussion.
[2:12:43] I just want to appreciate staff for keeping the project lean and
[2:12:50] mean and on line with the estimate and the budget, so I appreciate that.
[2:12:57] And we went and saw it last week and it's really good and
[2:13:01] going to benefit both departments well and thank you departments for working together
[2:13:06] and leveraging your finances to have this asset and it's easier for both.
[2:13:15] So appreciate it. Any further discussion? All those in favor of the purchase
[2:13:21] requisition form for the change order of number two and number three please
[2:13:25] signify by saying aye aye motion carries
[2:13:29] thank you thank you Tony
[2:13:34] e7 is that you Jeff
[2:13:37] 8 7 is yes it's the actual action you
[2:13:41] guys took last week to read through the
[2:13:45] job description for the public work
[2:13:46] structure okay
[2:13:50] I'll move to sign the
[2:13:52] salary change order for Matt
[2:13:53] palison the great one at public work
[2:13:57] director.
[2:13:59] I'll second it motion in a second any further discussion all those in favor please
[2:14:07] signify by saying aye aye motion carries do we have Robert yet okay just let me know when he's
[2:14:19] available I think he's doing some travel this morning so elected official reports do you have any other
[2:14:26] elected updates sheriff gave a
[2:14:37] do you have anything if so chime in don't
[2:14:43] see
[2:14:44] anyone else department head reports Katie
[2:14:51] Tony Diane any other reports
[2:14:55] Okay,
[2:14:58] we'll come back to Robert.
[2:15:00] County Council report. Okay, thank you. County administrative officer. Yeah, it's going back to the Ed Coe discussion regarding the $10,000 invoice to remain a platinum member. Front of you is the interlocal, sorry, the memorandum of understanding between the city of Madras and Ed Coe on page three, 2.6. The question was if there is a need for
[2:15:30] us to continue to be a platinum member for the extra seat.
[2:15:34] So in that paragraph, it says that for the period of this MOU, the city and county
[2:15:43] will each have one appointed representative serving on the Edco board.
[2:15:47] Additional seats may be retained through ongoing platinum membership already in place.
[2:15:56] So we get one seat, maybe, in a platinum member.
[2:15:59] What is the makeup with the program?
[2:16:04] So yeah, so I was kind of going the other way sorry my coworker yeah so we
[2:16:09] get one member for being a partner of the local program and so if we
[2:16:14] continue to be a platinum member I would say this year is the year that we
[2:16:17] would then have some type of decision for you all to make on who would take
[2:16:21] the platinum level seat a new seat a new seat and I know we would still have a
[2:16:28] a commissioner or potential through the program.
[2:16:33] Yes.
[2:16:34] So there'd be one, what other seats do we have with the program?
[2:16:38] The city would have one.
[2:16:39] The city would have one?
[2:16:40] If the city and the county each independently do a $10,000
[2:16:44] and then we'd have another one seat each that they would appoint.
[2:16:48] And then you would appoint as well.
[2:16:51] Okay.
[2:16:51] You would select.
[2:16:53] When we had some early discussions in the kind of the program
[2:16:56] I'm going to make up Will and I, and maybe John and Kim and who else, you know, talk to potentially about trying to bring back some financial partners to help fund the local program and potentially how you would, the county may have been, it just made a 10,000 level and then look to that community partner that's also contributing to our local program and offer this as a kind of a care.
[2:17:24] If you come in at a certain level and buy down the cost of the local program, don't tell
[2:17:30] John Stark or Brenna, but you can have a seat on the board for not having to pay 10,000
[2:17:35] of your own platinum level but maybe 5,000 to our local program and you can have a seat
[2:17:41] or something like that.
[2:17:46] So the question is do we want to continue at the $10,000 level to have that additional
[2:17:52] When is this decision need to be?
[2:17:56] I think the invoice is a calendar year invoice,
[2:17:58] so we're approaching some level of tardiness.
[2:18:04] Tardiness?
[2:18:07] 2025 dues.
[2:18:09] The invoice was dated.
[2:18:11] Do we have a potential interest
[2:18:18] in that extra seat,
[2:18:25] if we were to do something like that through the program?
[2:18:29] I haven't heard anything but my guess is we would if we offered it.
[2:18:33] Offered the opportunity to one of your programs, you know,
[2:18:35] it could be one of your folks that you've been appointed to the local advisory group
[2:18:41] until for a year and see what you want to do kind of a yearly decision.
[2:18:47] I personally think that continuing with this for at least another year,
[2:18:53] especially as we're going through our strategic plan of our county and developing a strategic plan, I think it would be beneficial to continue this for another year and at least have another seat of the table to kind of help in our transition of implementing our, it comes down to implementing our strategic plan for our county and it comes to economic development.
[2:19:17] I
[2:19:22] don't know. I'm torn because I'd like to say I'd rather say I'm not going to take
[2:19:28] that 10 out of the budget, but I'd almost say I'd rather have our program director having
[2:19:33] some tools in their tilt tool belt to achieve with that 10,000 as opposed to having another
[2:19:39] representative. I mean, I think at some point that table is so huge, you know, it's size
[2:19:44] of this room going around. I don't know what another voice from this community is going
[2:19:48] to do. I mean the possibility of selling it, if you will, for half.
[2:19:54] But like I said,
[2:19:56] I'd kind of rather have, rent a head with an extra 10,000.
[2:20:00] Is in the budget for ancillary stuff, you know, we've talked to, we've talked videos, we've talked, you know, advertising, you know, those types of things that would be a bigger picture of how we sell this community to this county to outsiders, you know, as opposed to another just another Z voting member who cares. That's true. I don't know. But what's, can I gas, can I ask, when you can do your comments, still, but I mean,
[2:20:29] Brenna, would you come up?
[2:20:32] What is the advantage disadvantage in your opinion?
[2:20:36] Yeah.
[2:20:40] Yeah, that's a really good question.
[2:20:41] And I think, you know what, it really does,
[2:20:44] and I don't mean to give you the diplomatic response,
[2:20:46] but I think it really does come down to preference.
[2:20:49] I would never argue against more tools in the toolbox, so to speak.
[2:20:54] We also have a really great group at the local level on the local board,
[2:20:57] so I could see where that would be a great opportunity as well.
[2:21:00] but again it really comes down to preference but like I said I would never say
[2:21:04] no to more tools in the toolbox. But we have you, we have Mark, no matter what.
[2:21:10] City has two spots, am I correct? They have two. Correct, they have two.
[2:21:16] I guess my point is that if we had 10,000 I'd rather go dangle that carrot out in
[2:21:21] front of our business, you know, our business is et cetera and say hey can
[2:21:26] you matches five on doing this project or whatever you know and we have something to pull
[2:21:31] from as opposed to there's no there's nothing in the in the pantry you know that's mine
[2:21:40] that's good we only have so much money in this area and is this money better suited to keep
[2:21:48] open-ended for potential options well the story we've never done this work I mean literally
[2:21:56] We have never been aggressive, you know, so to have 10,000 to go get aggressive and then
[2:22:03] We've leveraged that 10,000 to your business community to say $100,000 whatever ends up being versus
[2:22:12] Going and more than a seat every so often.
[2:22:15] And that's truly a testament to your work already.
[2:22:17] I mean, this early on, I am below, I'm crazy excited.
[2:22:23] Yeah, we're going to do a great job.
[2:22:25] Thank you.
[2:22:26] So you're suggesting not even being a member at all?
[2:22:30] We're a member.
[2:22:31] We're still a member.
[2:22:32] Correct.
[2:22:32] But we have representation with him as the head coach person.
[2:22:36] Yes.
[2:22:37] And we have not an additional step at all.
[2:22:41] So like bronze, gold, platinum, you're not suggesting step down.
[2:22:47] We're suggesting we have a program at 90, yeah.
[2:22:52] Whatever. Yeah, yeah, we've invested higher to be in the program have the same
[2:22:59] representation we had, so we have put more money in, but if we were to stay at
[2:23:06] this platinum level, we would have another seat, so we'd be ramping up the seat.
[2:23:12] But it would be a voting member. So Mark's a voting member, Brenna's not. If I'm
[2:23:17] If I'm out of line tell me you're correct. So mark is a voting member if you paid the 10,000 for additional voting member that delutes the 98
[2:23:30] It doesn't dilute the 98 other votes. Let's put it that way any more than having just one
[2:23:36] This is the savings, I guess and put that money to work on the ground here
[2:23:42] It's what with whatever potential need maybe and so kind of put that in more of a contingency
[2:23:53] or whatever versus membership or an evolution program is what it is.
[2:24:00] And then you build a fund, you literally, big vision would be to build a fund by going
[2:24:06] going to the folks that utilize it go mostly from this community and saying, hey, could you
[2:24:13] chip in? I don't know that they even were on the advisory, but I think they would understand
[2:24:20] the value that they would get out of it at that point if we have some seed money to start
[2:24:25] with.
[2:24:27] Yeah, I mean we'll just say so that similarly the other small or sorry I shouldn't say smaller
[2:24:32] the more rural community, so Crook County, Prainville, Sisters, they have their local boards
[2:24:38] function much in the same way as to kind of what you're describing.
[2:24:42] So this is a conversation that we hear very often and again I hate to give you guys the diplomatic
[2:24:48] answer but I put that back in your cart and what you're thinking from that standpoint.
[2:24:53] I will also mention being newer to EDCO in terms of the platinum membership, I am not entirely
[2:25:00] I'm really sure what that actually outlines. I've been focusing primarily on the local board level, but I could get more information. If you guys think that would be, or sorry, if you all think that would be more helpful, and come back to you, whatever you think would help you inform your decision. I kind of, I agree with what Kell has been saying. And if all of this is going to do is just provide $10,000 for the regional ed co and watch more.
[2:25:29] continue to focus on VIN. If this $10,000 can be more beneficial use here for you in Jefferson County, we always go that route.
[2:25:41] Okay. We need...
[2:25:45] No, the direction.
[2:25:46] I got direction. I'll communicate back to Mr. Stark.
[2:25:50] Okay.
[2:25:50] And then the budget, you know, do it the same there, I think it's just, yeah, it just wrote
[2:25:57] whatever we labeled out, we have a kind of a catch-all lack of better term and fund
[2:26:01] 250 economic development, which is then labeled economic development in this year's
[2:26:08] budget. There's over 300,000 allocated. But I think, like on kind of the yellow side thing
[2:26:16] on your Excel sheet is that that the message is that we're would steeply putting 10,000
[2:26:23] aside as program local program assistance is very enhancement or whatever. Does that
[2:26:29] make sense? Or do you not even need to do that? I would say you get confused because if
[2:26:36] we have an ed code program line we try and put in the amount that we're committed to or
[2:26:41] the IJA between the three cities in us and so to see that go to for example with 96 to 106 but
[2:26:49] then next year the actual only 96 or it would fluctuate I would encourage to stick it out of the
[2:26:55] economic development line and if we get a pattern going then we can look at another GL line.
[2:27:01] Well you'll have to have a catch all four if we got contributions from business.
[2:27:07] from this is the intent of which I really like was not in the room is that the city is now the fiscal agent so any any
[2:27:15] Any would go to income with it. Yeah outside of the program would filter into the city
[2:27:21] Okay
[2:27:23] Okay
[2:27:24] direction
[2:27:25] Thank you, Brenna. Thank you, and did ill
[2:27:30] So glad to have you here
[2:27:31] excited when I had the opportunity to interview you and think you're doing a
[2:27:36] great job and look forward to what you're gonna do over the next year. Thank you
[2:27:41] so much.
[2:27:44] Okay, Robert's there. Okay, Robert, you have a Department of Head
[2:27:53] Update. Can you hear us?
[2:27:59] You must hear us but we can't hear you yet.
[2:28:06] Not not that
[2:28:07] great at lip reading so we're still working on it.
[2:28:24] More waiting Jeff do you have
[2:28:25] anything else? There's a report down. You might have to change your mic. I do not.
[2:28:34] Whether report? No other report.
[2:28:38] So you guys go through your reports and potentially
[2:28:41] then read the executive session while Robert sees the audio change. I don't know.
[2:28:50] I'm having such memory loss. I can't remember what we talked about regarding Miller. What was our, what do we kind of Miller, the discussion was to talk about that in the executive session.
[2:29:05] Okay. Thank you.
[2:29:10] Which is the old guy.
[2:29:11] It's all right.
[2:29:13] You're the new one.
[2:29:16] OK, so Jeff is good.
[2:29:20] Commission discussion.
[2:29:21] Is there anything commissioner Taylor?
[2:29:24] No, not this week.
[2:29:28] Is there someone?
[2:29:31] Well, it's not a, if it comes, it's up, it comes.
[2:29:34] So I don't fix it.
[2:29:37] E-O-C-A tomorrow.
[2:29:40] It's been canceled.
[2:29:41] Well, it has been canceled.
[2:29:42] Yeah.
[2:29:42] I don't know.
[2:29:43] You're not getting that update.
[2:29:48] Okay.
[2:29:51] And not rescheduled.
[2:29:53] Not rescheduled.
[2:29:54] Okay.
[2:29:55] Thank you.
[2:29:55] We're off to the office.
[2:29:56] You guys turn it out.
[2:29:57] Oh, there we go.
[2:30:00] Thanks, Robert. We'll jump right into what you got for us. So, yeah, as you guys know, I, what you may have in front of you is just some changes that I'm proposing and structure. Two of the three positions have existed already, which are a week positions for which you and I'll just this officer excite in the adult side to my knowledge. The leads have been used.
[2:30:29] this in about five to six years, our last lead on the juvenile side was Lacey Delacruz,
[2:30:36] and then the adult side was Andy Pointer. Lacey is obviously the deputy director now
[2:30:41] and Andy Pointer has left. I'm going to introduce the wanting to re put these positions
[2:30:47] within the organization to just offer opportunity for growth with the staff that we currently
[2:30:53] have an in-house. Both are, I would guess, consider a role so they're not new FTEs. They would be given to
[2:31:02] officers that are already within the organization. Five percent raised for Out of County residents and
[2:31:12] seven half percent raised for in-county residents. We would be, hopefully, with your guys as approval,
[2:31:20] these would take effect June 21st of 2025.
[2:31:25] I think some of the benefits for me would just be having that leadership
[2:31:31] with more of the ground troops being able to just focus more on the vision
[2:31:37] of terms of accountability for our quality of standards in terms of contact,
[2:31:43] on visits, assessments, as you guys know, on the juvenile side we're seeing a lot of growth and on the adult side, the states changing a lot of their expectations of us in terms of standards, assessments.
[2:32:01] Some of the things that I can necessarily put the attention I would like to have, so having an adult lead to be able to focus on those things.
[2:32:12] And then the third part of the structure change would be creating a supervisor for the
[2:32:18] adult side, and that would look like turning Lacey Dallacruz, who is currently deputy director
[2:32:25] of just the juvenile department, two deputy director of both the adult and juvenile side of
[2:32:31] things, part of that sugar would require her to become a certified adult for information
[2:32:38] officer that would include her going to the academy for the six weeks. She would become
[2:32:45] fire and police pose.
[2:32:49] Jeff and I and HR have kind of talked about what the raise was.
[2:32:55] If she would go from 29 to 30,
[2:33:00] effective, if they've approved June 21st. Again, she would
[2:33:08] most of her time, not most of her time, but it's a 60-40 split, 60 being juvenile, 40 adult
[2:33:15] in terms of the FTE and then also in terms of how we would cover her salary.
[2:33:22] I think the benefit to this is cost savings for the juvenile department or detention costs.
[2:33:29] I hope to kind of offset some of that by moving over some of her costs to the adult budget
[2:33:35] which is a little bit more healthy.
[2:33:38] Again, creating that supervisor on the adult side,
[2:33:43] what I'm at at the office, and also what I am there to
[2:33:47] and being able just to have someone to collaborate
[2:33:50] with more closely in terms of what we're doing on the
[2:33:54] adult side.
[2:33:56] And I think it's also just giving more incentive to
[2:33:59] keep lazy around. She's been with the county for 17
[2:34:03] years. And I think it's just continuing to help her with
[2:34:06] career development, including more multimedia, so I'm
[2:34:11] heard within the county. So I don't, I'm going to
[2:34:14] rambla a little bit now, but if there's any questions
[2:34:17] or anything I could answer, please let me know.
[2:34:20] So you said June 21st for this potential change. Why June 21st,
[2:34:29] rather than like a July 1st, and for budgeting purposes, I'm
[2:34:35] sure it's not going to be payroll. Payroll. Payroll. Payroll. Payroll. Here it starts on the 21st. So what we use
[2:34:42] does interchangeably July 1st, June, really, June 21st. So we try to make sure you guys know it would be the real
[2:34:51] effective days of June 21st. But. Hey, Robert, are we in the first session of our
[2:34:58] biannual budget from
[2:35:00] The community justice funding specifically for adults. Are we in the first or second year of that biennium, the second year? We're in the second. So the outlooks of, the outlooks of the next, I mean, you have, you have reserves, you have, you have lots of accessible ways for the sustainability of this, I guess in my question, or my point.
[2:35:30] What's the outlet for next biennium?
[2:35:33] Well, we, I'm actually at OACD right now.
[2:35:36] We're just speaking on that and the comments are AOC.
[2:35:41] Our BOCC has been very supportive of the growth of adult community corrections.
[2:35:48] And they're the gas in terms of what we received the last biennium to this biennium.
[2:35:54] And it seems like we're getting the local support we need.
[2:35:57] And we'll actually be going tomorrow to the Capitol Building to advocate for ourselves
[2:36:03] for an $18.18 for each adult on supervision.
[2:36:10] So really back to your questions, if it proves it would be a substantial growth in terms
[2:36:18] of what we would receive compared to prior bionyms.
[2:36:22] What are you at right now?
[2:36:24] So you said 18, 18?
[2:36:25] That's what they ask is, well, we received last time based off of our population, it was about 2.2 million.
[2:36:35] It's given the full app.
[2:36:39] We know probably won't happen. It would be 3.5.
[2:36:46] by any. So what's the breakdown for adult currently? Wasn't it like 16 or 15? I
[2:36:55] think you had mentioned it here recently. I think it's even lower than that
[2:37:01] because it's often a case study that was long before my time. I don't know off
[2:37:07] the top of my head. So you're basically asking to be fully funded over there and
[2:37:13] and currently we're probably funded per individual about 80% of what the actual cost is?
[2:37:19] Yeah, I mean, our budget, I think, is reflective of what we're doing well,
[2:37:28] or Steve, the population that we have with staff that we have,
[2:37:34] so even if not given the full budget, we would still receive approximately,
[2:37:41] If not more, we will receive the last biennium because our population has maintained through
[2:37:49] COVID where a lot of these other populations have dropped.
[2:37:53] We're still making up about 1.16 of the population in terms of people on suit provision.
[2:38:03] Which we basically have a higher population of people on suit provision compared to our general population.
[2:38:10] people in our county compared to other counties, which is a good and bad thing.
[2:38:20] One question, tell me if I'm crazy, but it seems to me I ran across something the other
[2:38:26] day that they're asking, they might be coming back to asking us for another bite at that
[2:38:34] time study.
[2:38:35] Is that sound familiar to you?
[2:38:41] Yes, because they want to do a new one to kind of get reflected. Sorry, I'm walking around.
[2:38:47] But yeah, they may ask, so we can get more accurate in terms of what we're doing with people on the cost.
[2:38:58] But it serves me right. When we did that time study, they didn't use it. They were like, nah, that's not good enough.
[2:39:05] Right, right. They didn't. And so that's more of some of the frustration like because it's showing, hey, this is how much it's costing to supervise to rehabilitate someone.
[2:39:17] Because it would be huge amount compared to what we actually get in terms of the budget. I mean, it would be a lot more kind of unrealistic compared to what they've approved and given us.
[2:39:29] So, yeah, it wasn't utilized how we hoped for it.
[2:39:35] Well, I'm very supportive of this.
[2:39:36] I think this allows growth and obviously some opportunities to capture some of these out of a very strong adult side.
[2:39:47] So, I'd be advocate for this change.
[2:39:50] Okay. It's a motion.
[2:39:52] Is it a motion?
[2:39:54] Do we need a motion?
[2:39:54] to have a motion.
[2:40:00] Do you want to see you could make a motion to reorganize the community justice adult and juvenile
[2:40:07] department as presented, including the new job description of deputy director.
[2:40:13] Some moved. Second. Okay, you got a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion?
[2:40:20] So this would be given staff, it's good the ability to do all these things and then probably
[2:40:26] getting a little more fine detail of what that's looking like, is that?
[2:40:29] The motion before you would would implement it.
[2:40:32] Implemented.
[2:40:33] June, June 21st as presented and what we would work with Robert on going out for the recruitment
[2:40:39] for those two leads at some point, I know he would be able to make an offer until we get closer
[2:40:46] to the June.
[2:40:51] Any further discussion?
[2:40:55] All in favor of supporting the restructuring of adult and juvenile.
[2:41:03] Please state by saying aye.
[2:41:05] Aye.
[2:41:06] Aye.
[2:41:07] Motion carries.
[2:41:08] Thanks Robert.
[2:41:09] Thank you guys here.
[2:41:10] It should be bad.
[2:41:11] Good luck tomorrow.
[2:41:11] Thank you, bye.
[2:41:19] Anything further for discussion today?
[2:41:25] Remember we're going to recess.
[2:41:27] We are going to recess.
[2:41:28] So do I have a script council?
[2:41:36] We're going to go in executive session.
[2:41:38] Are we going to need to come back for any decisions?
[2:41:42] I do not see any need to come back.
[2:41:44] Okay, I guess if we do we could always make that decision tonight.
[2:41:49] That's true.
[2:41:50] Yeah, you're going to be recess until six.
[2:41:53] Yeah, we are going to go into executive session.
[2:41:55] We will then recess for our six o'clock in Cricut River Ranch.
[2:42:00] If there's any decisions that need to be made, we will do them there tonight.
[2:42:05] So I will read the script.
[2:42:09] The Jefferson County Board of Commissioners will now meet an executive session
[2:42:12] to consider real property transaction.
[2:42:15] The executive session is held pursuant to ORS192.006602E,
[2:42:24] which allows the commission to meet an executive session
[2:42:26] to deliberate with persons designated by the governing body
[2:42:30] to negotiate real property transaction.
[2:42:35] Representatives of the media and designated staff
[2:42:37] shall be allowed to attend the executive session.
[2:42:40] All of the members of the public are asked to leave the room.
[2:42:43] Representatives of the news media are specifically directed not to report on any of the deliberations
[2:42:49] during the executive session except to state the statutory section and the purpose of the
[2:42:54] executive session. Specifically, the news media is restricted to reporting that the Board
[2:42:59] of Commissioners met an executive session pursuant to ORS192.6602E to deliberate with persons designated
[2:43:09] by the governing body to negotiate real property transactions.
[2:43:13] No discussion may be made in executive session.
[2:43:16] At the end of the session, we will recess and reconvene
[2:43:23] at our cooking over ranch meeting at 6 p.m.