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Okay, we're we're sitting at 6:03. We're
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tonight. I do apologize for that. Uh we
have no business tonight for the uh

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planning I mean for the BZA. So, we'll
move uh straight on in to the planning

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commission. I'll now call this meeting
to order. If you all would please join

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me in prayer.

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Dear heavenly father, we come to you
just thanking you again for another day

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of life, dear God, and for the health
and the ability that you give each and

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every one of us to to get up and go and
do. And I pray, Lord, that you're

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pleased with how we've went about things
until now. And I ask, Lord, as we come

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together tonight to conduct the business
of the planning commission, that you

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would be with us and and guide our
thoughts, our minds, our words, dear

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God, our actions, and may each and
everything that's done here tonight be

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pleasing to you, Lord. Dear God, I lift
up our our country to you, our state,

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our our county, dear God, and the
officials that uh that are in each one

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of those capacities. I just pray that
you would guide them, dear God. There's

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a lot of folks hurting, a lot of folks
needing help, and a lot of decisions

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that need to be made. We know you're
aware of them, dear God. I just pray

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that you would guide in the process.
Dear God, we we thank you for

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everything, but most of all, we thank
you for your son, Jesus, and what he did

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upon the cross and the hope we have
etern in eternity through him. And it's

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in his name we do pray.
>> Amen.

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» Amen.
>> We're join pledge attention, salute,

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pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America and to

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the republic for which it stands. One
nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you all very much.

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And we're on to the minutes. Uh,
everyone should have a packet in front

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of them. I know emails went out. We had
a little bit of a deal getting the

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package to you in physical copies
earlier, but I I trust if you had a

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chance to to see those and look over, if
anyone has not, I'll give you a moment

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now to to flip through it. Is everyone
good on those? Had a chance to review.

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» So move, Mr. Chairman.
>> Okay. I have a proper motion to approve

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a mess. Had a second for Randy [snorts]
Bales. Austin made the motion.

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Any discussion on that? Being none, all
those in favor of approving the agenda,

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pardon me, approving the minutes from
the April meeting, let me know by saying

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I. I.
>> All those opposed. Motion passes.

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Citizens input. We've checked the basket
and there is none. Did I see Stephanie?

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You didn't have anything turned into
you. Okay. We'll move on down to new

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business. And the first item under new
business tonight is item A, final plat

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approval for three lots off Ponderosa
Drive in Dandridge, Ponderosa Ranch

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Farm, lot one by Jared and Alicia. Wait,
do we have someone here to represent

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that?

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» I don't know.
>> They are actually bought the SOS like

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early today. I think there's an issue
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do two lots instead of three lots
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» Okay.
>> So, he did not approve it today. So,

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» so he did not approve it. So,
>> they're not coming tonight. Okay. U

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» So, do we want to table?
>> I'd say we table till June or until

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instead of doing it to the June meeting,
let's postpone it until they have their

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stuff together. If someone make that
motion that way, put a time. move item A

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be postponed until they can produce the
proper documentation to present to this

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body.
>> Okay. Thank you, Austin. We have a

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proper motion made by Austin. Do we have
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» We have a second. Chad Dixon second. Any
discussion on that?

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Being none, all those in favor of
proponing item A until they have their

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proper documents in line. Everything
approved, let me know by saying I.

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» I. All those opposed
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[clears throat]
We're to item B, revised site plan for a

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new pole barn to be constructed at 329
Lfield Road in Jefferson City by Rody

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Ronnie and Karen Trent. We have someone
here. If you would step to the podium

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and state your name and you.
>> Ronnie Trent, 329 Landfield Road.

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» Okay. Ryan, talk to us a little bit
about what you want to do.

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» Well, we got a shop that's already
there. I just need more room to place

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some more toys, more implements. You
know how it is.

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» Yes, sir.
>> Next thing you got one, you can build

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one. You think you're big enough that
you're not. So, anyway, we're just

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construct another uh building there. Um
on the print, I mean, on the drawing it

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shows a 50 by I think what 108.
Um I'd like to change that dimension if

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we could. It's going to be a big
problem. It won't matter. I was want to

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go with maybe 60 by 100 instead of 50 by
108 because we found out it's a little

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bit odd size. Um so if that matters or
it doesn't matter.

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» You want to go 60 by 100. Yeah.
>> So we're moving 8 ft and adding two.

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» Yeah. [clears throat]
And it's just going to set directly, you

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know, in facing from uh shops over
there. It's just parks and dump trucks

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under and trailers under and tractors
and mowers, you know, stuff like that.

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» Put in your packet a copy of his survey
showing where his house is located

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because the only reason he's having to
do this because it's on the commercial

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portion of his property, not the
agriculture.

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» I think the house is on like 2.02.
We cut that off a few years ago.

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» 2.13.
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could have a residence on that
commercial property. So we cut that off

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a few years ago.

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» And I actually I actually own the
property used to be the old uh Bettis

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place, the old Bettis farm down there.
The old barn and stuff. It's been

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renovated.
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» Yeah. That's that's me.
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» We bought that and so then kind of
trying to fix that corner up. They made

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me mayor up there since I'm on the
house. [laughter]

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for dogs.
>> You have the dogs, of course. Yeah.

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[clears throat]
>> Would we need an updated drawing the 60

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by 100?
>> We would to get that, but Katherine, I

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think you've got a thought.
>> Um, no. [laughter]

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» No thought.
We would need the updated drawing. And

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yeah, and I know that wouldn't be an
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» um on this drawing.
And you were wanting to see the property

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line that differentiated from the
agricultural to the industrial.

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» Yeah. I think one of the con the
concerns I had

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um is that um um you just have site plan
approval. You don't have site plans for

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additions to existing sites. That's one
of the things that we can work on. uh

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that you really should if it if it's an
addition to an existing site like this,

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the the requirement should be pulled
back somewhat and you don't make it that

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distinction. So if you're just looking
at it um from a black letter issue, it's

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a site plan should have engineer seal on
it, etc., etc., etc. Um I don't think

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that that adds anything. He's obviously
got a big site. It's not that big of a

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building. It's pole barn. It's not like
you're digging footings or any of those

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kind of things.
>> You don't have you're not extending

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utilities to it. I send electricity, but
not like sewer, water, anything like

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that.
>> Okay. Thank you. That's what I think

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too.
>> Appreciate it.

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» Okay. Does anybody and
>> just uh if they would if you get that

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drawing redone could could you throw
that line in there somewhere where the

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where it is just to so we'll have it.
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of that existing line between the A1 you
see too.

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» He um
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crook and the western lot line
>> that's basically where it is and goes

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back along around the house. This is not
uh encroaching at all.

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» Any more clicks?
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» okay. Only I got the old land there.
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» Yeah,
>> Mr. Chairman.

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» Okay. Yes, sir.
>> I think I think we're good. So, with

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that said, I'll move to uh approve item
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» Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
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» Second.
>> I want to amend this.

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» Second.
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» get a second.
>> We have a second on it. So, I have to

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make a motion. Chad seconded. And now R
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the the updated picture. That's the only
thing I agree with you. I don't see a

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problem with it. It's just the
>> I'll accept the amendment if you're good

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with it.
>> Okay. And then that's a little cleaner

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on the minutes.
>> Yeah, that's fine.

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» That sounds good. Yes. We don't have to
get a second and go through. So we're

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good.
>> The amendment is stated. Second.

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» Second.
>> Any further discussion on this?

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Being none, all those in favor of the
pole barn, let me know by saying I. I.

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All those poke. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm gonna get you that drawing. One one

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thing on that drawing one one guy that
was pricing available for me was his

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best way was to come out at 108. Then
the other guy that price and he said,

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"Well, no, it' be better to go
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» So we'll get that decision. But if it
don't change, if it changes, I'll get

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you drawn.
>> Okay. Just drop it off.

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» How many copies you need?
>> Just for her office.

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» Just the board.
>> Just for you.

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» I don't think you even have to come back
to this committee. Just take it to her

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office. You're you're good though which
way you're done.

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» And do I need to get permits from you or
is it since it's commercial? Is

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» it'll be in the building? Well, in the
office, but the building partner will.

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» Gotcha. Thank you, folks.
>> Thank you, Ronnie.

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» See you now.

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» [clears throat]
>> Okay, we're to item C, resolution

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2026-03,
amending the zoning resolution of

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Jefferson County, Tennessee to reflect
certain prohibited uses in all zoning

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districts and permitted uses in the I2
zoning district solar energy and wind

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systems Austin Brook.
Austin, you have the floor. Uh yeah, I

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believe at our last meeting there was
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um about potential Oh, it's okay.

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» I like to hear myself.
>> About um what we already had in our

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zoning regulations?
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» Was there anything?
>> There is no decommissioning in Jefferson

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County zoning regulations for a solar
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» Uhhuh. Now there is at the state level
state put that back in Katherine am I

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right in about 22 23 somewhere that's I
did go on and and print a little bit off

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if you will uh humor me just a second on
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» anybody here got an extra pen
I have one left on the truck

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you got another one
>> I'll steal one up here steal Yeah. And

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often if you'd like for me to, I'll read
you what it says.

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» Here, take your good.
>> Tennessee solar the farm decommissioning

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is governed by Tennessee state
decommissioning law. It mandates that

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commercial solar facilities over 5
megawatts submit compre comprehensive

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decommissioning plans and provides
financial assurance i.e.

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bonds and or letters of credit to land
owners for equipment removal and land

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restoration.
Local planning commissions in the

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regions enforce these rules and
periodically update setback or

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permitting ordinances.
Now, state requirements and there's a

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ton of stuff on the internet that you
can go to look at and I'm sure Katherine

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can give some clarity if we have some
questions about this. Uh but it requires

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that the solar power agreement to
outline a safe removal plan for panels,

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wiring, post, ensuring the property is
restored as close to its precondition,

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preconstruction condition as reasonably
possible. It goes on about financial

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asurances, local authorities, recent
updates is there.

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Washington County, Green County,
Sullivan County have taken this and

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they've made it a little bit more
stringent from what and I've not went in

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depth on each one of the each one of
those, but they have added to the

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decommissioning of those and that's
something that we can definitely do, but

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the state already has a decommissioning
in place right now. It's just do we want

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to make it more stringent than what the
state has or not? And we can look at

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each one of those. I'm sure that's
something you could get information on

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for us, couldn't you? Mhm.
>> And go ahead.

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» Uh, so I have a question. Um, whenever
you hold the bond,

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make sure that you have the tools in
place to administer that bond,

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» right? Um, if you're if let's say
somebody just walks and leaves it there,

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it I'm not sure that you have like staff
personnel that you want to ascribe that

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responsibility to and hold that bond for
the life of uh um um solar

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» solar facility. Um monitoring bonds is
it's one of the things that we've I

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think the only bonds that the planning
commission holds that uh is a bond for

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outstanding infrastructure for roadway
improvements

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uh and it's charged by the in Tennessee
code that the planning commission is the

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only entity that has authority for that.
you could just simply add to

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uh the solar
draft

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uh an an additional item that says
you shall meet that section of the law

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and make sure that the state of
Tennessee has the bond

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» right and it's the Tennessee
decommissioning law but it it goes on to

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say here about the asurances it tells us
that these bonds assurities are

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scheduled to scale up typically
requiring at least 50% of the total

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decommissioning cost to be secured by
the 10th year of the commercial

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operation and 100% by the 15th year.
>> Does it say that they are willing to

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administer those bonds?
>> It did not say who would administer.

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» Did not say
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» Um
>> but you know this was to to bring the

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topic kind of to the table and get the
conversation started about it. But these

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are some things we can do and I'm I'm
sure we can look at that moving forward

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with this.
>> Mhm.

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» You know, and back to part of our
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I I'm
I'm pro- landowner being able to do

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things with this property. If there's
somewhere on this solar thing that I

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want to be really strict about, it would
be with the cleanup of it when

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somebody's done. And I think that's
something we definitely need to give

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some time to. and look at and get
something drafted and adopted that'll

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protect us as a county and the adjoined
land owners to the property. That's just

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my thoughts on adoption.
>> I've got a couple of qu you probably

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answer this one. Um how big does a solar
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decent size to do five megawws. And
that's something else that I think we

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can look at is size limits inside our
county when we address this and go to

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drafting this. U I know there's one in
New Market and it's uh it's about six

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acres and it will not meet 5 megawatts.
5 megawatts is a lot of load.

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» Yes, ma'am. Who owns that solar fixate?
>> Appalachin Electric owns one.

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» So it is a public entity.
>> Yeah.

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» Your other alternative is to state that
um this provision is only allowed for

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public utility
companies.

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Public utilities.
>> State that again.

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» That um
>> I wish this dagum seat had a lock on the

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back of it. Mine's squeaky. [laughter]

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» You know, we and we just had this
discussion this morning in the working

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group of the difference between public
schools and private schools. Private

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schools are forprofit. I don't care what
they are. If it's not, you know, uh

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Jefferson County. Uh so there are
language we put in today that says it

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has to be a public entity.
uh public utility uh public utility

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district or andor a TVA
um and that if it's a private forprofit

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entity,
they're not allowed

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because the scary thing is a public
entity is is uh it's uh dependent on

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public input, public support, taxpayer
money. you have a way of controlling

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that and they're held to they they hold
[clears throat] themselves to a higher

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standard. Um if when you get a
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um
those are the ones that I would think

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would have a higher tendency to walk
away. It's not profitable. We're

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walking.
>> Okay? And I'm speaking hypothetically

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and don't let me control the
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[laughter]
If I've got this fella and again

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hypothetically who has a couple hundred
acres in the county, it's A1

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and he is had an accident. He's no
longer able to farm. He's no longer able

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to do what he is that he's done for a
living for so many years. Doesn't have a

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great retirement because most farmers
don't other than the lands they hold.

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I don't want to limit the marketability
of his piece of property to take that

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potential off the table if it's the best
situation for him.

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» I want to protect his rights as a
property owner cuz he's paid taxes. He's

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bought the land. It's been handed down
through families. And for us to come in

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and say, "No, that private company can't
come in work a deal out with you because

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we're not willing to do what we need to
do on our end to see that it's

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decommissioned in the proper way."
>> I'm I'm just saying.

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» I mean, it's a two sword, but those are
the guys that are walking. [laughter]

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» Yeah.
>> Sorry. They're the If we were further

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along in the technology and the
knowledge of how these things will

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operate in the long term, I'd feel
better about that.

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» Yeah. Um,
>> I still that's just my stance. I don't

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want to hurt the property owner.
>> Let's say TVA came in and leased this

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property.
>> Absolutely. But, you know, we we've had

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there's been conversation for the last
three or four years if you're in the

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county about outside firms coming in.
There was actually one in place and it

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fell through.
>> There's another one looked and stuff and

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it's fell through and we we may be
>> That's a good indication right there

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though. That's that's kind of what
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trends and
>> but but we're we're talking about

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hypotheticals and we we can't we don't
have a crystal ball and we can't read

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the future saying that this private
company's going to walk or they're going

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to do the right thing. You know, that's
like me looking at David and saying I

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know what he'll do in this situation.
That's unfair to David. It's unfair to

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me. You know, we have the ability
to put the regulations in place to

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govern that. Well, then it's our duty to
do that to protect the community and the

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property owner.
And the state has done that to a degree

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with what they've already got in place.

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» Um just administration of bonds
uh and having a 10year

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50%
15year 100%. That tells me the state's

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worried about it.
>> Um [clears throat]

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that's the only reason you do bonds.
>> Yeah. But there's no reason or nothing

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saying in what I've said that we can't
be worried about it. We're just still

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protecting that property owner's rights
to do one of those deals.

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» Yeah. They've collected 100% of the
decommissioning cost

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» by the time
>> in bonds by the time it runs out by the

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time solar panels run out the life of
them.

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» Yeah.
>> On a five megawatt

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» on a five mega. So, do we amend that?
>> So, anything smaller does not have to do

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that.
>> That's right. That's right.

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» And that's that's per state. But again,
we can look at those neighboring

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counties who have took what the state
had as a foundation and they build upon

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that. That's what we can do as a
planning commission in Jefferson County

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and still protect the right of the
property owner.

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» Yeah. It don't have to be a five five
meg.

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» We can we can change those things and
whoever handles the bond to say, "Well,

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I don't want to fool with it just
because I don't want to."

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» No, I mean, I'm getting where you at.
I'm just saying whoever needs to handle

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that, we just make sure it gets handled.
>> So I administration bonds is a really I

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think I read somewhere that the the
planner does that. [laughter]

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[laughter]
>> Um I mean like right now I'll give you

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an example. Clever County has bonds
coming due in August.

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» Uh it's it's a set amount. Um, it's for
a top coat on a road. Uh, you know what

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just went up? The cost of asphalt.
They're underwater. Uh, five months

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ahead of time of that bond expiration.
They're going back to the developer and

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saying, "We will call this and ruin your
credit unless you give us new uh

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estimates for the cost based on asphalt
today."

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And that that's what I mean. You can't
>> just the nature of that conversation

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doesn't settle well with me because
you're threatening from the lead instead

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of having the conversation with them
give their

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» No. All they're doing is saying come at
August a month ahead of time which is in

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their subre that a month ahead of time
we're going to go back and look at this

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bond and they have the authority to ask
for an increase because they know

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they're underwater. And and the the
thing of it is it it's you're talking

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about economics and fluctuations and 10
years uh 15 years. Uh Stephanie, you

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going to be here? [laughter]
>> I mean, that's the kind of stuff. Or is

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the county mayor's office going to do
that

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» and we put that in the regs if we craft
this?

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And that's if if you want to belly up to
that bar, that's an administrative issue

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that you need to make sure on the front
end the administration of that section

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of that provision,
you know, how it's going to happen. You

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know, and and the other thing is, okay,
you put up solar panels and then uh five

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years from now you're looking for a
place to take it. That's what

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decommissioning is.
>> Absolutely. you got to pay for

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transportation disposal. I mean, I don't
even know how you'd estimate that cost

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uh much less over the time of
uh of the life of the bond. That's why I

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said if the state of Tennessee is doing
that and then you ask for proof that

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they've complied with it and that way
her office is monitoring a license that

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should be renewed you know every year 5
years or or 10 years 15 years on that. I

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don't know where when you're looking at
Johnson City, are they administering it

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or are they saying that
>> I don't know anything about Johnson

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» or Washington County? Washington County.
>> Um I think before you would

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» and that's what thing is let's ask them
how they are they looking for proof that

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those things have been met or
>> I don't know if they've lowered the

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megawatt at the side. Have no idea. That
was where I said we would ask you to get

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information about what each of those did
>> and stuff. That way we can look at it.

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This was to start the conversation.
>> At the end of the day, what I'm saying

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about this, we've got to protect the
property owner. I'm not going to limit

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who he can sell or do a deal with on his
land. I'm not going to be a part of

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that.
>> Yes, sir.

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[clears throat]

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As long as let me let me add to that. As
long as the people who are willing to

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purchase or lease or do whatever the
land's willing to meet what's put in

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place to protect it.
>> Yeah.

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» I want to follow up. Sorry.
>> Does it stipulate who would determine

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the bond? So, my concern is when a deal
like this is struck,

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uh, unlike building a roadway where it's
like, I need this bond and within a year

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I'm going to have my road built and and
I don't need this bond.

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» With this, you're saying I'm going to
build this facility out and then in 20

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to 30 years,
>> 10 to 15 is what he did. But,

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» okay. So, in 15 years, we're going to
take it all down. Well, what's that cost

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in 15 years? So whatever it costs today,
if we were to just go with simple

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inflation at 3%. It's 45% increase from
now until then, right?

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» Assuming we don't have periods of rapid
inflation, which

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recent history shows that uh that can
happen. So um I I would want to know

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more information about who determines
the bond amount because in my opinion,

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whatever you come up with, you've got to
tack on another 50% for inflation.

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The other thing is I'd like to determine
maybe instead of us dividing um by

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megawatt we can sorry

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we can um stipulate by acreage.
>> I think that would be a better approach

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because the megawws that's being
produced and I guess you would look at

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potential megawws for the site if
everything was running full throttle.

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» You're not going to get that every day,
>> right? you know, so I think a better way

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to approach it, and I agree 100% with
you, often would to be looking at

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acreage that could be, you know, put to
use for

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um another thing I understand, uh
protecting,

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sorry, I understand protecting land.
That's what I'm trying to do in this as

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well.
I think the argument could be made when

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you're protecting somebody's right to
put a solar uh facility on their

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property.
>> The neighboring property could say,

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"Well, now you're affecting my property.
You're affecting my property rights,

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affecting my property value." Whether
you agree with it or not, I think that's

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certainly an argument that we would
hear.

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» We see it every day here.
>> Yeah.

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» That's a common argument.
[clears throat]

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And we already stipulate a lot of
different things uh that people can and

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cannot do on their property. Uh most
often

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stipulating the zone that that that
activity has to occur in.

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» Right.
>> Yeah.

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» So
unfortunately, as much as we want to be

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pro property rights, everything we do is
infringing on that.

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» Yeah.
>> Somebody's absolutely on somebody's.

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So my goal is to do the best job we can
to protect everybody. And there's not a

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happy medium. I just don't want to
overburden the citizens with

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restrictions.
And and the more restrictions we add,

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it's only allowed to be sold to a public
utility. You know, we're adding

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restrictions every time we do something
like that. And I don't think that ought

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to be a goal.
>> [clears throat]

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» So, not wanting to restrict property
owners, definitely. Um, wanting to

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restrict these companies that pop up
>> absolutely

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» every time the federal government
decides to open the checkbook

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» and pour out a bunch of subsidies for
these projects where they get their

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cash. Then administrations change out in
4 to 8 years.

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all the money dries up and then this
company based out of who cares Delaware

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uh closes because they've gotten their
money on the front end. I just wonder

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like at what point is Jefferson County
stuck with an absolute disaster.

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Uh because you're talking
[clears throat] with no stipulation and

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I understand you seem to be in favor of
some decommissioning stipulations.

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» I think I've stated that several times.
>> Yeah. And I I appreciate that. uh we

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could end up sitting on a several
hundred acre disaster uh in our county.

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So, I'm just not really in favor of the
solar fields

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mainly because there's not a positive
ROI. They seem to be subsidized by the

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federal government. That seems to be the
only way that they

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» there are situations where there is part
positive return on investment

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» in this area.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Uh I don't see that. um all the
numbers I've ran on it, there is not a

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positive ROI. I don't think it's a good
use of our land, which is certainly we

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just we have as much as we have and
we're not getting anymore.

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» Okay.
>> So, um

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I I I think that the fact that the state
has put uh what they've put in place

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shows that there's concern at the state
level. I think there certainly needs to

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be concern at our county level. And I I
think I'm hearing that we're all in

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00:30:39,916 --> 00:30:46,640
[clears throat]
>> some agreement. Maybe not 100%, but

414
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:51,520
» I'm in a 100% agreement of us having
protection in place.

415
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:58,080
I'm also
for protecting the property owner. And

416
00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:04,159
it may be that we craft this in a way
that's a deterrent from anybody ever

417
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:08,640
wanting to, but yet we still leave that
possibility for that property owner to

418
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,919
market or to lease his property in that
way. And if that company's willing to do

419
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:18,720
every house stringent
regulations we put in place and there's

420
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:24,880
somebody somewhere that can do what
needs to be done with the bonds and the

421
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:29,919
assurity, let them do it.
>> So you would prefer

422
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:33,200
stringent stipulations
>> on cleanup

423
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:38,320
» on decommissioning.
>> Mhm. as well as like I said the bond to

424
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,279
me the only way that this bond is worth
anything is if you account for the

425
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,360
inflation
>> uh because typically all the bonding

426
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,726
that we deal with.
>> So when we write this be sure and put

427
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,799
that in there what you come up with.
[clears throat]

428
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,880
» Well I mean yeah 15 years I would put
50% for inflation.

429
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,880
» Absolutely.
>> Um

430
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,440
I'm still hung up a little bit on the
zone. So you'd be okay with it in any

431
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,080
zone? I mean is there any zones? So
basically the document that we have are

432
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,320
there any
>> I would be okay with it and I with A1

433
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:11,679
» okay
>> and and that's those property owners go

434
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:16,720
ahead Randy sorry
>> I would be too but the thing is we need

435
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,200
to put a percentage and up to a maximum
amount if if you or me want to we got a

436
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:28,399
100 acre farm and we want to take five
acres that's that should be the limit

437
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,360
» the utilities down there have uh what'
you say five to six acres

438
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:35,600
» I think it's six acres don't for an
individual to do that,

439
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,720
» then they need to they need to keep the
whole thing as one section, not not

440
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:44,640
divided off. And in the event that they
want to cut it out, I think, hell, if we

441
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,799
go over five acres on anything, we're
doing as much as the utility company is.

442
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:54,960
So, if we're going to leave it in A1,
let's do a percentage of the property up

443
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:57,440
to 5 acres, no more. 5% or 5 acres at
the most.

444
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,760
» No more than that. So, if you got
>> So, 50 acres, 2 and a half.

445
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:04,799
» Yeah. and make it smaller. So, and and
then we need to look at

446
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,399
» where it's located on the property as
opposed to be right here on the property

447
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,159
line right against Mr. Nelson's place.
>> Let's let's make it be more centrally

448
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:16,480
located on their farm so that everybody
right there on the road and everybody

449
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,960
their neighbors aren't affected by it as
much as they are.

450
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:23,279
» Yeah. With setbacks and buffers in
place. Absolutely. I love the idea of

451
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:26,960
the decommissioning stuff because if we
don't have that in place, I mean, just

452
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:30,080
like you said, they can walk away and
then what is it the county's

453
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,360
responsibility to get rid of it? I don't
think so. I like what you're saying. I

454
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:36,399
agree 100% with that.
>> Um, one of the other things, we

455
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:41,840
[clears throat] keep talking about the
property owner, but but realistically,

456
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:45,919
no property owner is going to go into
this endeavor. They're simply going to

457
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:49,600
lease to a company. And these companies
usually pop up, like I said, whenever

458
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:55,760
the federal money starts flowing. And
that could happen, uh, that could happen

459
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,880
maybe sooner than we wanted to. Um,
whenever those dollars start flowing,

460
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,679
all of these little companies pop up,
they get involved in all this stuff.

461
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,799
Quite frankly, I feel that's what was
going on with the best. Uh, if you all

462
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:08,399
recall, the best that was trying to go
into Pedmont,

463
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:11,760
» it was some company that was located
over here that dealt that was owned by a

464
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,200
company located over here. Like the
whole thing was very, very fishy. And

465
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:19,599
and to me, they already had their exit
lined up and they come in, do all the

466
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,119
dirty work, and then they turn it over
to a more reputable company. Um, that

467
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,240
right there just stands a hair up on the
back of my neck. Um,

468
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,399
» like some of the housing developments
we've seen go in the last little bit.

469
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,280
» Yeah,
>> same scheme.

470
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:41,040
» Um, same scheme, but uh
to me these are these are more

471
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:48,480
frightening uh than that because of the
mess that it could leave behind. So, um,

472
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:55,000
are we in agreement on any others? Like,
I mean, R1, R2, RR, C1, C2.

473
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:02,240
Most of those are not even going to have
a parcel size large enough to um,

474
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,720
» which eliminates them all together in
that area,

475
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:11,200
» right? Because nobody's going to take a
twoacre lot and say, "Oh, I want to put

476
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:14,960
» No, it's it's not lucrative enough
acres. I don't even know what it would

477
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:18,560
be that much as a solar farm cuz then
it' have one solar panel."

478
00:35:16,329 --> 00:35:22,800
[clears throat] Yeah. I mean,
>> that that would be my thing is to

479
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:28,640
protect the most land around it if we're
going to do it. Um the five acres, like

480
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:30,880
I said, on 100 acre farm, well, if they
sell it off, they've got to decommission

481
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,680
half of it.
>> Mhm. and and most people's not going to

482
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:39,200
do it. But what it does allow is it's
just like a cell phone tower. I was

483
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:45,359
talking to somebody earlier today. It
allows them to have a source of income

484
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,079
bar, like you said, it's going to be a
pain in the butt for any individual to

485
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:53,760
do this.
>> Uh it's it's a phenomenal expense. I

486
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,839
don't see the return on investment, but
I think in the future it may be easier

487
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,440
with the technology.
>> Yeah.

488
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,280
» To to do that and it may be more return
on investment.

489
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,160
» Yeah,
>> I'm not going to be it probably won't be

490
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,760
in our lifetime. I want to leave that
option open for future.

491
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:17,040
» So the recommendation
So I think we could take this document

492
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:22,880
that we have and then the recommendation
would be allow it in A1

493
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:26,800
uh which we're working on our working
group

494
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:31,440
but it would be limited to 5% of the
parcel size.

495
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:34,960
5% of the parcel size up to five acres
>> up to five acres. So if you have

496
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,000
» I don't think if you have 200 acres I
still don't think

497
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,920
» you're limited to five or you max out of
five

498
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,400
» and if they divide the property in half
and they want to do it on the other half

499
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,880
but no more than five acres at one spot.
>> Okay.

500
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:52,800
» Does that I mean does that make sense?
Cuz then I look at our 100 acres that uh

501
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,160
we the 40 acres of hay we rent and my
mom's property.

502
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,960
It would still be hard with a road
running right through the middle. still

503
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:02,640
be hard to find a good place on that
property. So, you're going to restrict

504
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,000
the properties to a certain extent, but
you're still leaving it out there as a

505
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,200
an option.
>> Yeah. Well, it'll be the biggest

506
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,599
stipulating factor. You got to have
those lines running through your

507
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
property.
>> Yeah.

508
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,400
» That's that's going to be one of the
biggest determining factor.

509
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,720
» If you put it on the edge, it's going to
affect your neighbors a lot more [cough]

510
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,720
than it's going to affect you. But if
it's if it's going [clears throat] if

511
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:25,920
you're going to have more skin in the
game and you will with the investment

512
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,760
and where it's located at buffer zones
and I don't know what those buffer zones

513
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,560
need to be off the property lines, but I
think we ought to be considerate of our

514
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,760
neighbors in anything that we do.
>> Mhm.

515
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:38,400
» I could go along with that.
>> Yeah.

516
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:45,599
» So, we could keep this document and
really just adjust the A1

517
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:48,400
and it would be an allowable use or I
guess it'd be a conditional use,

518
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:56,880
wouldn't it, Katherine?
Uh if you could make it conditional um

519
00:37:52,160 --> 00:38:03,960
with um the requirements like
um they have to do a engineered site

520
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,960
plan um

521
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,680
» we need to make sure it's done correct
and whatever.

522
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:13,280
» Yeah. I mean it's it I would suggest it
to the group they would have to do a

523
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:17,359
site plan. And he have I mean even right
now I think yes and we have to send it

524
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,359
back and we all those things are in
place

525
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:27,200
» in section one of the draft that you
have right now uh uh we had uh

526
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:32,160
eliminated it as a principal use. Yeah
>> we it was an accessory use. So your

527
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,960
first item one is you want to make it a
principal use not accessory.

528
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:40,160
» Right.
>> Well it is now isn't it? It could

529
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,920
» it is currently
this draft of the document took it from

530
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,079
principal to accept. So it's an
accessory use in every single

531
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:56,880
» uh zone which I think we all agree.
>> Well with the exception of your IND IND2

532
00:38:52,400 --> 00:39:03,280
it was to be a principal use. Yes. Um,
so I think the proposition from Randy is

533
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:10,160
it would be I guess you would that would
be a principal or conditional use or the

534
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,640
condition would be 5% or 5 acres
maximum.

535
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,040
» I don't see any for an individual. I
don't see any reason in world we need

536
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,640
one over five acres
>> and then it's really not a principal use

537
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,800
at that point is it?
>> Yeah. [laughter] And I don't know if we

538
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,440
need to restrict it to that. I'm not
sure.

539
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:27,520
» That's that's me. I'm thinking
>> I'm throwing ideas out. Yeah, I I know

540
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:32,720
you just conversation I I'm thinking and
this is just me and let me state this.

541
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:37,200
I'm not a solar fan.
>> I I don't think I but I can take you to

542
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:42,079
places who have had a positive return on
investment about three years ahead of

543
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,720
time for what they've done. Businesses
that have put the stuff in. Citizens

544
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,280
Bank Trucks Citizens Bank and Trust in
Granger County come out about four year

545
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,079
ahead
>> as a Yeah, as an accessory.

546
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,200
» As accessory use.
>> I could see that. There are places where

547
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,320
it does return on investment
>> that would still be allowed and

548
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:05,760
» and if we would I know but I'm just
saying it is profitable in some

549
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:09,760
situations. If we look at the Joe James
based property you know I would have

550
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,480
hated been the one to step up and say
Joe you can't do what you're getting

551
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,240
ready to do if he'd have chose went
through with him and that's exactly what

552
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,960
we'd be doing by doing what we're doing
right now and

553
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:25,280
» it fell through. It took care of itself,
>> but it was coming.

554
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,119
» That was a shady deal.
>> I don't know the inner workings of it. I

555
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:32,480
I just I don't want to be the man said,
"David, no, you can't do that."

556
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:37,040
And
>> so, but I do believe we need to have

557
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:43,440
restrictions. I do believe we have need
to have a a stringent decommissioning

558
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:48,560
» on 100 acres. I'd look at at least 20%.
And I would say, you know,

559
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:54,079
» A1 is the only% of the piece property.
100 acre be 20 acres.

560
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,599
» Yeah. I say A1 is the only thing we're
talking about.

561
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,119
» Absolutely.
>> R1, R2, RR, C1, C2, ain't going to

562
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,040
happen.
>> I mean, if the mines ever wanted to,

563
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,880
» but it'd be an accessory. I mean,
>> no. I mean, if they ever wanted to

564
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,960
generate power.
>> Yeah. And I mean, we couldn't stop them

565
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,760
from doing that for theirel anyway.
>> True.

566
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,680
And the percentage I threw out there is
negotiable just like everything is.

567
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,599
» No, I think you were the to hardline
that one, Randy. [laughter]

568
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,880
» I just I don't want to take it off the
table for agricultural

569
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,160
» for a farmer [clears throat] that's
that's got an opportunity to do it and

570
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,560
help supplement his farm.
>> Absolutely.

571
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:36,560
And just like we talked about in the
places where we've we've seen

572
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,040
agriculture and solar work hand in hand
for one another

573
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:43,440
» where they've done the elevated solar
panels and they've actually farmed with

574
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:47,839
livestock underneath with vegetables and
fruit production underneath. You know,

575
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:52,480
let's say you wanted to do 60 acres of
his farm

576
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:57,520
and and mar marry those two together.
Well, we've just killed that.

577
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:02,079
» Mhm.
I just I I want to protect as many

578
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:06,160
people as we can protect, but I also
don't want to infringe.

579
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:09,359
» Yeah.
>> And and we're just talking. That's

580
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,359
discussion. We're just kicking.
>> I'm not saying

581
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,440
» it cuts both ways.
>> It does. That's right. It does. It cuts

582
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,319
both ways.
>> Um [snorts]

583
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:24,319
» Well, I don't know. I just uh Randy with
that 5% I think was uh See, I'm at zero.

584
00:42:23,394 --> 00:42:28,800
[laughter]
Yeah, I'm a five and he's a

585
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:34,000
» So, I'm at 75. No,
>> I think you're going to have a problem

586
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:41,839
with the percentage like saying you've
got 20 acres so you get 5% but you got

587
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:48,160
100 acres so you get 5%. And those two
numbers are different and but the zone

588
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:53,760
district's the same. Uh so you have
there's a test called uniformity of zone

589
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:59,520
district and it's if you got two people
on property same zone uh you have to

590
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:05,920
allow them the same option. You can't
say you get 20 and you get five.

591
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:14,240
» Um that that that doesn't pass muster.
So, but now putting a a maximum on it uh

592
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:19,839
and doing making it a conditional use in
you can make it an allowable use in the

593
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:25,040
I2
and you can make it a conditional use in

594
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:29,760
A1 and we looked at conditional uses
this morning for the you don't currently

595
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:35,599
have conditional uses but they're very
it's a very common tool in other

596
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:39,520
jurisdictions. Um, so you could do uh
conditional use, you have to meet

597
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:46,000
setbacks, you have to do buffers,
>> uh, etc., etc. You would want to do um

598
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,680
the bonding process whether it's
industrial or

599
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:50,800
» Yes,
>> absolutely.

600
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:56,640
» Um, so we could we could set up the
conditions and that way they would come

601
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:58,640
before the BZA and the BCA would
basically check boxes.

602
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:05,520
» Yeah.
>> Yes. You got a buffer. Yeah. if you your

603
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:10,079
setbacks are, you know, your your um you
know, you could set up whatever

604
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:13,680
conditions you wanted to and then the
BCA would determine compliance with

605
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,560
those conditions. Whereas, if you have
an I2, which they have the authority to

606
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:19,760
come in and say, I want my properties to
I2.

607
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:24,880
» Mhm.
>> Uh and and at that point, that that is a

608
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:30,960
discretionary thing that's ultimately
approved by the county commission. Um,

609
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:36,079
and I too would automatically you would
be looking at areas that there are other

610
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,400
industrial uses. I don't know if you
even have I do you have any I2?

611
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,720
» I just want to I'm going to circle this
back around real quick.

612
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,640
» Okay.
>> We've got three neighboring counties who

613
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,800
have sit at the table having the same
discussion we've had or having and

614
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,280
probably already have have a lot of
these things worked out. Let's get that

615
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:59,359
information, see what's there. I don't
think we need to reinvent the wheel.

616
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,839
» Let's Let's just see what see what kind
of cars are running and see if that'll

617
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,640
work for us.
>> It [clears throat] sounds like we're

618
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,359
close to some agreement or at least all
of us but you. So,

619
00:45:07,146 --> 00:45:09,839
[laughter]
>> we're we're down here at 5%. I think

620
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,880
you're
>> I'm not at five.

621
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:16,319
» I think you and Chad are I think Randy
changed his mind. So, no, [laughter]

622
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:21,680
» you at two and a half.
>> I'm I'm open to discussing it, but I

623
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:27,520
don't want to take it off the table for
a private land owner. So on this

624
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:32,640
document we we do agree uh I I don't
think there's much we go ahead and take

625
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,119
it out of R1 R2 RRC1 C2
>> as a principal use

626
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,480
» as principal use
>> and could I1

627
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:43,040
I just don't think that's a good use of
our industrial space personally

628
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,760
» pay the money and get our industrial
space

629
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,480
» well if they cut it on top of their
building and use

630
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,319
» it would be an accessory use
>> you know the other which was allowed in

631
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:58,319
all the zones
>> um one thing to consider is what type of

632
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:06,160
infrastructure is necessary to carry
carry the electricity generated to a um

633
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,839
you know transformer or however to get
it into the grid. What types of

634
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,480
infrastructure
>> that's got to be something that's worked

635
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,760
out with utilities?
>> Well, that will be a very much a

636
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:18,640
limiting factor. Absolutely. You know,
you

637
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,480
» there are so many things that this thing
is going to have to conform to.

638
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:25,680
» Yeah, it can only be a go. It'll only go
where those What do you What do you main

639
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,560
transmission lines?
>> It just need No, it just needs

640
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,599
distributions and stuff. Distribution
lines. I mean, you can We've got one in

641
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,720
White Pine hitting distribution lines.
>> That's yours.

642
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,240
» It's not ours. It's somebody who It's a
private own. It

643
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,440
» is a private owner.
>> Talking about Jod's.

644
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,000
» Well, it's 5% each way instead of
Appalachin and US both.

645
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,319
» Oh, okay.
>> Proper from it.

646
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:51,599
» So, there's But it's a private company.
>> Yeah.

647
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,720
» That's doing it. So, and it comes out at
distribution voltage. [clears throat]

648
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:59,440
» Are there some that would be at
transmission voltage? Absolutely.

649
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,119
» Oh, okay. Distribution voltage. Okay.
I'm

650
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,119
» that feeds straight into the grid.
>> Yeah.

651
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,400
» The one in New Market is distribution
voltage.

652
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,760
» Meaning you could put one of those
anywhere that has

653
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,599
» Right. Power supply.
>> That's right.

654
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,617
» Yeah. I've heard this.
>> Now, you got me upset again. [laughter]

655
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,839
» So,
>> well, I agree with you. Let Let's do

656
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,920
some homework.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't go that

657
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:25,760
far.
>> And um [laughter]

658
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:30,560
so uh and at this point A1 we could look
at a conditional use at

659
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:36,480
» with appropriate development standards.
>> Absolutely. Right. Right. And they they

660
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:43,037
need to be we can develop those and then
it would be allowed in I2

661
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:47,520
um as stated and and then we can do a
[clears throat] separate

662
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:54,079
uh section that's just for performance
criteria for solar uh principal use

663
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:57,760
solar. So we'll define [clears throat]
you have to define something then you

664
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:04,400
have to regulate it. So we'll have to
define a solar

665
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:11,599
um installation as uh get a definition
for it and then uh uh add it as an

666
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:18,599
allowable use in I2 and add it as a
conditional use in A1 and the A1 will

667
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,599
have conditions with it.

668
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:27,599
So just to clarify, so we're going to
look at as far as developmental. So

669
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:33,119
you advised against a percentage because
if if I've got five acres and Randy has

670
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:37,200
a hundred, he gets to put in his full 5%
but then 5% of

671
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,880
» I mean if he's got Yeah,
>> that's it.

672
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:44,559
» That's a um
>> I mean are you advising against using a

673
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:47,440
percentage?
>> Absolutely.

674
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,319
» Okay. So,
>> but we could do a maximum.

675
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,960
» You could do a maximum.
>> Okay.

676
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,000
» Maximum absolute amount or maximum
percentage.

677
00:48:53,839 --> 00:49:00,720
» Um, not percentage. Maximum
>> maximum just maximum amount

678
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,160
or or
>> there's also probably a minimum that it

679
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,760
it [clears throat]
um as a principal use. It just doesn't

680
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,240
make sense.
>> Yeah.

681
00:49:10,153 --> 00:49:14,400
[clears throat]
>> There is.

682
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:18,319
» I mean, [laughter] absolutely there is.
I mean, you got to have an economies of

683
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:21,920
scale of these things. The one out at
the Ford plant in West Texas, I mean,

684
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,680
West Tennessee is
>> I mean, that's that thing's massive.

685
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,000
» Absolutely.
>> Um, there's a couple in Oakidge and

686
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:35,920
they're huge.
>> Um, so again, I I think there we have

687
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:39,520
more questions than we do answers. So,
uh, let's do some homework and come back

688
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:45,520
with
>> the the one in New Market is Appalachian

689
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:51,760
Homes. Uh it supplies our lightest
loaded circuit on the system we have but

690
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:55,520
it supplies that circuit. You know
there's several houses on that thing

691
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,280
» and we as the county couldn't have
stopped that anyway because that through

692
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:02,800
the state
>> the state TVA appalach if it's a public

693
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:06,400
utility.
>> Well and I'm I'm not concerned with what

694
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,720
» did you buy any blocks of it?
>> No.

695
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:13,119
» I think there's still a few for sale if
you were interested.

696
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,240
» Okay. I'm joking. [laughter]
>> I was a wee.

697
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,599
» I was a wee little man when that went
in.

698
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:25,800
» Me, too. I
>> um so we'll look at maximums, setbacks,

699
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:35,119
buffer zones,
>> buffering. Yeah.

700
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:38,119
» Assurity bonds.
Yeah.

701
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,220
» [clears throat]

702
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:48,720
» buffer material also.
>> I don't think you want trays around

703
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,880
solid farm.
>> What's that?

704
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,400
» You don't want a high canopy around you.
>> Wouldn't bother me.

705
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,960
» It wouldn't bother you to try
>> if you invested in Yeah. [clears throat]

706
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,200
» It would bother you if you were the
investor or the property owner.

707
00:51:02,815 --> 00:51:07,800
[laughter]
>> Invest in a while, right?

708
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:16,240
All right. Well, with that, Mr.
Chairman, I will move

709
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:21,280
to postpone
item C to our June meeting.

710
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:25,760
» Okay,
we have a proper motion. Had good

711
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,200
discussion. I I appreciate it very much.
Uh, do we have a second?

712
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:33,200
» I'll second.
>> Have a second. Is there any further

713
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,920
discussion on this?
Being none, all those in favor of

714
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:42,880
postponing
item C until the June meeting, let it be

715
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:46,280
known by saying I. I.
>> All those opposes.

716
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,400
» I've got papers.

717
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:04,559
» Okay, we're to item D. Megaw want to
produce

718
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:09,200
» development standards for mining and
mineral extraction. Mr. David Nelson

719
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:12,720
David I'll turn the floor to you sir.
>> Thank you Mr. Chairman.

720
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:17,119
» Uh I'd like to first start with just
sort of the genesis of this what

721
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,880
prompted me to want to put this together
and then I'll walk you through kind of

722
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:25,520
the process that I've been through so
far. And it's kind of going back to

723
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:31,040
things we've bandied about several times
already in this meeting about property

724
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:36,880
rights for everyone. And my concern that
I've seen happen over the years is we

725
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:41,520
have commercial industrial uses that
take precedent over the property rights

726
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:46,960
of some of our small farmers and our
residents. So, what I'm I'm after is

727
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:53,440
trying to marry those two together and
put together some standards that protect

728
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:59,040
existing property owners but also allow
uh commercial and industrial operations

729
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:04,400
to take place. And when I started this
process, my my first effort was to kind

730
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:09,680
of look at some other counties around us
and see what they do. Uh, I looked at

731
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:14,800
Washington County, Sullivan County, Knox
County, uh, were the three that that I

732
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:18,880
looked at quite a bit. In my initial
draft on this, you may think this is a

733
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:23,440
little lengthy. My initial draft on this
is about 15 pages long after I took all

734
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,720
the material from three different
counties and tried to pull it all

735
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:31,359
together. And I said, "Well, this
obviously is way too much." So, I went

736
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:37,440
back to the drawing board immediately
and and cut out a lot of that

737
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:42,800
information. I consulted with the
county's attorney uh about it and he

738
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:49,680
said, "Yeah." And he said, "You have to
be aware we have a state surface mining

739
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:54,480
act which really governs a lot of what's
being addressed in here." And so his

740
00:53:52,640 --> 00:54:01,040
initial suggestion when I started the
process was to to leave alone things

741
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:07,520
that were covered by the surface mining
act in the state and really just focus

742
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:14,160
more on the things that um are basic
like getting proper uh buffers setbacks

743
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:19,680
screening uh just to make sure that the
operation is not going to destroy

744
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:27,280
somebody's enjoyment of their property
that's lived there for 30 or 40 years.

745
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:32,480
And and so that was my my main goal. Uh
after putting this together first pass

746
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:36,880
uh and whittling it down to my second
pass, then I consulted our planning

747
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,119
consultant, Miss Baldwin, and said,
"Would you look at this, please, and

748
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:46,720
offer suggestions,
which she did." And so the draft that

749
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:52,160
was sent out to all the commissioners
last Friday

750
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:58,880
uh was a combination of Miss Baldwin's
input as well as my input.

751
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:03,040
Unfortunately, since that went out, uh
we got a little surprise. I didn't get

752
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:08,240
it till Monday. I don't know when you
saw it, but [laughter] I didn't check my

753
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:12,480
email till Monday. uh uh our county
attorney sent an email and said, "Oh, by

754
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,000
the way, I do have a few concerns on
this latest draft." It's like, "Oh, I

755
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:20,400
wasn't expecting you to have some
concerns." So, so he has some concerns.

756
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,800
I will share with you what those
concerns are. A lot of it's

757
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:30,000
definitional. Uh it a lot of it relates
to use of the term mineral. Uh we talked

758
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,440
about bonds a minute ago. Katherine
advised me about this when she looked at

759
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:39,520
an earlier draft. uh I had provision for
bonds in the earlier draft when she

760
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:44,559
looked at it and after we discussed it
and she explained to me how difficult it

761
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:48,480
is to administer bonds I decided well
it's just don't require bonds. Uh if we

762
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:54,480
want to do that later we certainly can.
So the draft you have does not have any

763
00:55:52,160 --> 00:56:00,720
reference to to bonding requirements. So
that's not in there. Uh the one that Mr.

764
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:03,920
Drenan reviewed did have it. So, he was
a little bit concerned about

765
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,079
administration of those bonds as she
was.

766
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:12,880
» Well, now what one thing and I said,
ask your county attorney if it's legal

767
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,160
to administer bonds for such things.
>> Yeah. And it's it's legal. You just have

768
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:21,440
to set it up, of course, like you said,
and and have it all worked out. So, so

769
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:26,880
we have some things in the air on this
resolution right now. What I wanted to

770
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:34,240
do was go ahead and introduce you to it
and explain to you my my reasons and my

771
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:38,079
background on doing it and walk through
just the highlights a little bit. But I

772
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:43,520
don't really want to get into the weeds
today because I really need to consult

773
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:48,559
with the county attorney again to make
some possible changes.

774
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:53,520
So, so just walking through it in
section one, the first part of it is

775
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:57,200
really definitional. A lot of times we
talk about things and people say, "What

776
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:01,760
does that mean?" So, I've tried to make
an effort to define some of the terms

777
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,839
that are used in the body of it as much
as possible. Uh, Mr. Dren has no

778
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,160
problems with that except mineral and
that's one of the key issues. Um, we've

779
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:17,520
got to figure out how to deal with the
term mineral properly. Uh section two is

780
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:22,000
really a housekeeping matter that is not
there's any direct import as far as what

781
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,640
happens in the mining and mineral
extraction operations. There's a

782
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,920
provision in our zoning resolutions that
basically says that mineral there's a

783
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,160
mineral exception to where you can't
really regulate minerals, but that

784
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:41,280
really applies to underground mining.
So, this was just some language to try

785
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:48,160
to tie that uh together and distinguish
between surface mining and underground

786
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:54,720
mining. Section three basically is to
just to say we're going to move I'm

787
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:58,880
proposing we move mining from an I1
permitted use to an I2 permitted use.

788
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,799
That's section three and four. It's
like, okay, uh, if we're going to have

789
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:09,760
mining, let's let's put it in our I2
zone, which is our heaviest industrial

790
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:14,640
zone. Then section five deals with
development standards. And this is what

791
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:18,960
we were talking about in relation to the
solar. uh if you're going to do things,

792
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:24,640
if we have the proper development
standards, then hopefully we can have

793
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:29,040
solar farms, we can have surface mining,
we can have things that are industrial

794
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:35,119
functions and people can generate
revenue doing that, but not destroy the

795
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:40,640
neighbors use of their property. And so
that's again is the the main gist of

796
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:45,440
this. Uh Katherine helped write the
buffer strip in section five. I had an

797
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:53,040
amateur's effort at writing buffer
strips and she fixed that for me. So

798
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:56,960
this is um things she provided. Um if
you look

799
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:02,720
after the buffer strip definition, if
you go to page three, item B, there are

800
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:07,359
some standards, brief standards for
underground mining. The main gist of

801
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:11,599
this is not underground mining. It's
really surface mining or mineral

802
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:20,079
extraction. The two things that show
there uh are minimum setbacks of 500 ft.

803
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:24,079
Unless there's a property line that is
for property zone residential or there

804
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:30,400
is an adjacent residence then the
setback is 1,00 ft. That may seem

805
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:36,079
horrendous but I will tell you Knox
County, Washington County uh they are

806
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:40,160
even higher. Knox County is not higher.
Washington County even has a higher

807
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:47,520
setback if it's along a property line
that's residential. Theirs is 1500 feet.

808
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:50,400
And so when I looked at this, uh, I I've
looked at what other people are doing to

809
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:56,079
say, "Okay, what's what's within the
realm of reason?" And again, what we're

810
00:59:52,799 --> 01:00:01,520
trying to do is make sure operations are
far enough away from somebody's front

811
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:06,799
porch that they can sit on their front
porch and not be disturbed by mining

812
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:12,640
operations.
Then we dropped on down to the surface

813
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,559
mounting standards in item C. Uh again,
it's a basic 500 foot setback anywhere.

814
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,839
Knox County has that, Washington County
has it, Sullivan County, they all have a

815
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:26,480
basic minimum of 500 ft um for anything.
And then again, it has the 1000 foot

816
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:32,559
setback if it's a property line that's
um zoned residential or contains a

817
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:40,799
residence regardless of how it's zoned.
Um, I missed this in the um underground

818
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:46,960
mining. I've got a minimum lot size of
100 acres there and also a minimum lot

819
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:50,960
size of 100 acres for surface mining.
And then the rest of those few

820
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:56,799
paragraphs there are mainly dealing
again with buffering strips which is how

821
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:01,200
we protect the neighbors and make sure
that what happens

822
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,520
on the mining operation is not going to
cost them the enjoyment of their own

823
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:09,520
property that they've had for 20 or 30
years. And that's the the main

824
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:14,079
objective.
So what I would like to do is we've had

825
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:18,000
this to look at. I don't know if you had
a chance to read it before tonight. Uh,

826
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,079
but now now for sure we've walked
through it a little bit.

827
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:27,359
I know we're gonna have to tweak this a
little once I can get some more input

828
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:32,720
from the county attorney to clarify a
few things. So, I would just like to

829
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:37,520
keep this in your hands. Uh, make a
motion tonight to table this until the

830
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:43,960
June meeting at which time I would
expect to have a new draft that

831
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,960
addresses the attorney's concerns.

832
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:50,000
» Okay. A motion proper proper motion.
I'll ask for a second. Do we have a

833
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,799
second?
>> Second.

834
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:56,559
» We have a second. Is there any further
discussion on this?

835
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:02,319
» And I'll be happy to answer questions
now if anybody wants to ask anything.

836
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:08,559
» David, thank you for your work very
much. Being no discussion, all those in

837
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:16,520
favor of postponing this until the June
meeting. Let me know by saying I. I.

838
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,520
» All those opposed. Motion passes.

839
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:29,880
Moving on down
the agenda. I just covered the agenda

840
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,880
uplaw.

841
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:43,119
Yes, it's the uh second page
and that's discussion of proposed

842
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:46,400
procedural rules and bylaws for the
Jefferson County Regional Planning

843
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:51,160
Commission.
And I open that up to the board.

844
01:03:13,803 --> 01:03:15,823
» [snorts]

845
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:23,280
» Mr. Nelson, since nobody's jumping, if
you want to speak to the rules that you

846
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:28,559
brought forward, and I know we've had
those for a little while, and we kind of

847
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:31,280
kicked things down the road. U wanted
you to be here when we discussed them.

848
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,559
» Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> You're very, very welcome. I'll I'll let

849
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:39,520
you go ahead and speak to that.
>> Okay. All right. So, I guess two months

850
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:45,760
ago now when when we talked about this
first, um we had a draft that of of

851
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:50,160
bylaws that Miss Bowwin had done and
then um I was hoping to try to work with

852
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,039
her on that. We couldn't connect and
since I couldn't connect with her, I

853
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,760
thought, well, I'm just going to do my
own. Sorry, Mrs. B, but I just decided

854
01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:02,960
to do mine. I took everything she had in
hers and and put it in the draft I put

855
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:09,440
together. Uh there were a few additional
things and I'll I'll we'll re review the

856
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:16,799
additional items that I added from her
draft. Um there was a little bit of

857
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:20,240
wording change and in my section five.
We've got two documents here. So I don't

858
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:23,359
know. I'm I'm going to speak from my
draft.

859
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,640
» Are we on Jefferson County Regional?
>> We're on Jefferson bylaws of the

860
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:32,559
Jefferson County Regional Planning
Commission. on page two, section five,

861
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:37,920
compensation. I suggested a little bit
of a wording change there, um, of no

862
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:46,079
major significance other than maybe it's
just my preference for my words versus

863
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:50,559
hers. Uh I suggested we say uh reim in
sentence number two of section five

864
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:55,280
reimbursement for travel and continuing
education expenses of the members shall

865
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:59,680
be in accordance with the prevailing
policy of Jefferson County, Tennessee.

866
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:05,039
She had worded that differently and I
thought well things may change. So I was

867
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:11,000
just suggesting the wording that uh it
just follows their policy whatever it

868
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:11,000
might be from time to time.

869
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:19,599
In article three, the next article down
section one under officers, I added

870
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:24,319
something that she did not have. The
last of that sentence, I just added and

871
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:28,400
any additional officers it deems
appropriate from time to time. That's in

872
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:34,000
your draft. I'm just pointing out to you
the things that I put in the draft idea

873
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,920
that she did not have.
>> Go over that with me, Dave. Okay.

874
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Please.
>> Section one, officers. Uh, can we just

875
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:44,240
make sure we're on the
>> Yeah, I'm We have had several copies of

876
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:48,960
these come out. There should have been a
copy of the bylaws

877
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,520
» and a section of the meeting rules in
there.

878
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:54,400
» That's not That's not Yeah. Okay. Okay.
>> We've actually got two bylaws look like

879
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,319
this.
>> Okay.

880
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:03,880
» Here's rules.
>> Here's what I'm looking at.

881
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,880
» I've got the bylaws and meeting rules.

882
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:10,240
We don't have that. You don't have that.
No.

883
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:14,400
» Is that the original copy? David, you
>> I've got I've got a few copies of the

884
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,480
original. Yes. Okay. I only have one
copy.

885
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:18,799
» I got that that that and that.
>> And I'll be more than willing to hand

886
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,240
those out.
>> Okay. Well, I don't need one. I have

887
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,240
one.

888
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,359
» So, what you got? We don't You can share
mine,

889
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:32,480
» David.
>> Okay. So, what

890
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:36,799
» article one the commission is that?
>> That's the bylaw. Pardon me. Meeting

891
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:40,240
rules. No. Yeah. We're not talking about
meeting rules. We're talking about

892
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,760
» So, the first one is that one.
>> Yeah.

893
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,799
» Okay.
>> Yeah. I can't see. You got it. No,

894
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,920
that's not it.
>> I'll let you.

895
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,920
» Okay.

896
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:53,200
» That's not That's not what we're talking
about.

897
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,280
» I'll just read.
>> This is what we're talking about though,

898
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,960
right?
>> Yes.

899
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,160
» Okay. [laughter]
>> Sorry.

900
01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:00,240
» Is it me?
>> Sir,

901
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:01,119
» pass that one off.
>> Okay.

902
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,440
» Yeah.
>> All right.

903
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:07,200
» Okay.
Now

904
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,720
» have one.
>> Now we all get one.

905
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,839
» Okay. We all have the same thing now.
Okay.

906
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:18,240
» We're all frantically
meeting rules. That's the

907
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:23,319
» Everybody has the right one as well.
>> That's the meeting. No, I've got four

908
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,319
different ones.

909
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:28,319
» I
can go make copies of this one.

910
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:30,880
» I think you can tell the difference by
the font.

911
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:36,640
» The font is different on the two.
>> Show that. This is the new font font.

912
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,599
» This is what we're working on.
>> By laws

913
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:43,760
» of the Jefferson County Regional
Planning Commission had

914
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:49,039
» Is that what we are?
>> Yes. Gotcha. Okay.

915
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:55,240
» Yep.
>> Yeah. I know. The last two I had. Okay.

916
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:05,680
» So, it's this one. That's the No.
Okay. Yeah, that's much different.

917
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,440
» What did you say?
>> Yeah, this is was in the back of the

918
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,720
deck.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. All right. I think that

919
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,280
was that was Catherine's.
>> Somebody got my copy. It's got notes on

920
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,679
it.
>> Uhoh.

921
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,002
» Look at the second page and see which
one got a little bit of ink on it.

922
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:23,022
» Sue is really mean. I think this is
[laughter]

923
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:28,719
» Tell
that's [laughter]

924
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,719
Catherine. Okay.
>> Oh, no. No. I got some ink here.

925
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:37,040
» That's what I need. Let me swap out with
you.

926
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:39,679
» Hold on. Let's see what O'Brien.
Thank you.

927
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:44,080
» He said happy birthday to me. My
birthday

928
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:50,719
» 38 reverse.
>> Okay. All right. So,

929
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:54,560
page two of this document, which is what
I was reading from.

930
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,480
» Page two at the top, section five,
compensation. I just changed wording

931
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:03,199
there a little bit from what Katherine
had to where it reads in the second

932
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:07,359
sentence, reimbursement for travel and
continuing education expenses of members

933
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,600
shall be in accordance with the
prevailing policy of Jefferson County,

934
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:14,799
Tennessee. U she had referenced a
specific document, I think, and I

935
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:19,040
thought, well, that could change from
year to year, so maybe we just leave it

936
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:23,440
open-ended. And so that's why I wanted
to make that change.

937
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:28,319
Next article down, article three,
officers and their duties, section one.

938
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:32,799
The last part of that sentence in the
document you have, I added to

939
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:37,600
Katherine's document that just says any
additional officers it deems appropriate

940
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:42,159
from time to time.
So, we're just saying we'll have a

941
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:46,159
chairperson, vice chair person,
secretary, and any additional officers

942
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:52,319
we deem necessary and appropriate
>> if we needed to form a committee and do

943
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:58,000
some of those things. Absolutely. Right.
>> Subcommittee I guess would be

944
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,239
» or or or a parliamentarian. We have a
parliamentarian.

945
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:06,480
» We have parliamentary. Yeah.
>> Um page three uh article four election

946
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:09,199
of officers. There is one change here
that's not a change between or

947
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:14,480
difference between my document and
Catherine's. It's a change in when we do

948
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:18,400
officers. Um it says that officers shall
be elected at an annual organization

949
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:25,800
meeting in the month of January.
Historically, we've been doing that in

950
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:25,800
October. Um, and

951
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:32,239
I think Katherine put that in her draft,
so I picked it up and I was fine with

952
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:37,320
it. But it may be something that we need
to think about [clears throat] and and

953
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,320
make sure we're okay with that.

954
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:44,960
» Commissioners will change on this
committee in September. Is that right?

955
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:48,719
» Correct. I would think move it back to
September meeting instead of October

956
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,440
because you won't know who's going to be
on here and that. Right.

957
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,840
» That's the only thing I
>> that's what we do on commission is

958
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,640
» right.
>> September meeting you have all your

959
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,040
election of officers and that type of
stuff. That's that's my only hesitation

960
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:02,000
on October.
>> Right.

961
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:05,120
» So, do we just want to omit January and
put September?

962
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,280
» Yeah, I would
be better.

963
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:18,080
Now, right below that, there are two
short paragraphs that I added that docu

964
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:21,840
Katherine didn't have in her document.
Uh, it's just about the election

965
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:26,239
process, and it just says the current
presiding chairperson or chairperson

966
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:32,640
selected by majority vote will serve as
chairperson for the election. Um and

967
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:38,960
then the second added little paragraph
there says whoever is nominated and gets

968
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:42,960
the new office basically uh will take
office upon adjournment of the annual

969
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:47,719
organization meeting. In other words,
their term starts once that meeting

970
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:47,719
adjourns.

971
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:59,360
Now go to page four
uh section seven attendance.

972
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:03,199
Um, I had a little bit of a concern
about dealing how we deal with that. I

973
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:09,920
think it's a good good provision that
Katherine had 11 of it. Um, but I'm not

974
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:13,440
sure that there's any authority to kick
somebody off the commission other than

975
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:16,400
by the county mayor.
>> Um,

976
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:20,320
» is it legal?
>> Yeah, the same thing I come up with.

977
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:25,600
» Well, we we t we did talk about that
last time.

978
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:29,440
» Um, and so it's like, well, uh, I don't
know if it is or isn't. Uh we could do

979
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:36,080
two or three things about this little
wording I guess is we could ask the

980
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:39,679
county attorney uh or uh
just leave it and if we try to do that

981
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:46,480
and it's not legal obviously it's not
legal. The the county mayor does appoint

982
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:50,320
the positions. We know that. Um and I'm
not really sure if once the county

983
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,960
mayor's made an appointment if he can
undo it. I don't know. You do you know

984
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:56,239
have any idea?
>> I think there's a process to that. I'm

985
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,840
not sure. I haven't looked into that.
Okay. I know county commission can

986
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,600
remove one of us.
>> Yeah,

987
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:04,960
» county commission can
>> for cops.

988
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,040
» We can't I don't think we have the
authority to kick anybody off this

989
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:14,480
commission ourselves. Uh because it is a
mayoral appointment. Um but nonetheless,

990
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:18,560
I think it is a good idea that if we
have people that are taking the seat and

991
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,650
not showing up and doing the job, we
would like to replace them.

992
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:28,000
» You know, I want people to come
[laughter] and participate. Um, so I I I

993
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:32,320
would like to have that provision
and I don't know um what how how how

994
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:35,360
would be the best way to deal with
wording on that at this point.

995
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:38,080
» Could we refer to county commission in
the event that somebody misses three

996
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,440
meetings? That's a good idea.
>> I think it needs to be addressed if

997
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,640
» instead instead of bypassing the mayor
though,

998
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:50,159
» I don't think we need to go straight to
county commission. We should go to the

999
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:54,560
mayor. If we just struck the last part
of the last sentence,

1000
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:58,960
u the chairperson shall notify the
county mayor and request and reward that

1001
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:04,400
last part, the appointment of
replacement that and however you want to

1002
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:10,080
craft the wording and I enjoy listening
to you speak. You have a a good way with

1003
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:15,199
words and I I appreciate that
to address the situation somehow,

1004
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,400
however he sees fit. Or or maybe we just
stop with notify the county mayor.

1005
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:23,199
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's we could strike that.

1006
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,840
» I'm at peace with that. I think Yeah.
>> Yeah. Why don't we just do that? That's

1007
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:30,400
simple.
>> So it doesn't have to be brought before

1008
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:35,199
the county commissioners.
>> Do county commissioners have to Okay.

1009
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:38,960
When somebody's put on this
>> the mayor, don't the mayor would

1010
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,840
probably have to present that to county
commission upon time he makes a

1011
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,159
decision.
>> Mayor appoints commission confirms.

1012
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,800
Right. So
>> there you go.

1013
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:53,440
» So yeah, it's a
>> Okay. All right. Okay. Um I added down

1014
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:58,480
at the bottom of page four, section 10
for two lot subdivisions because we have

1015
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:02,719
delegated that responsibility. And I
know it became an issue about a year or

1016
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:05,797
two ago. I forgot when exactly. And we
spent a lot of time trying to figure out

1017
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,560
were we doing the right thing or
[laughter] not and do we have the

1018
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:12,239
authority to do it. So I thought well
let's just put it in our bylaws and that

1019
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:18,159
way it's covered. Uh, so I I did add
that in and that's basically just

1020
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:20,640
covering that delegation of authority
and that goes on over page five. You can

1021
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:26,199
take
>> I was No, I was just seeing what how it

1022
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,199
how it ends.

1023
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:38,080
» Also on page five, I added section 11
minutes, which we do anyway. Um,

1024
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:42,960
I think the document I was working with
had that, so I left it in there. Um, and

1025
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:48,000
then section 12 likewise was something I
took out. I I used Haywood counties um

1026
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:54,520
eyelaws as sort of my straw man to start
this and they had those two things in

1027
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,520
there. So I just threw them in too.

1028
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:05,480
And otherwise everything that I have not
talked about in this document is exactly

1029
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,480
the same as it was in Kathy's document.

1030
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:53,360
David, go back over the very first one
you went over because I think you had a

1031
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:57,440
lot of confusion going on about what you
were reading from the top of you. We got

1032
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:02,480
those other copies handed out,
>> right? Uh [snorts] the fir the first

1033
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,719
thing was on page two, section five.
>> Okay.

1034
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:10,800
» I just changed wording a little bit on
how the travel reimbursement is handled.

1035
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:15,679
» Five. Page two, section five. Top of the
top of the page.

1036
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:20,320
» Yeah. Section five, compensation. I just
rewarded that a little bit about how the

1037
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:25,120
reimbursement for expenses takes place.
I just put in that it's based on the

1038
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:31,280
prevailing policy of Jefferson County.
>> That way if the policy changes, it's

1039
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:36,480
still governed by their policy.
>> We changed and the next thing we changed

1040
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:40,719
after section five,
>> it was right below it. Section one

1041
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:45,360
officers. I added
the phrase and any additional officers

1042
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:47,520
that deems appropriate from time to
time. That was added.

1043
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,520
» Okay.
>> Last.

1044
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:09,520
And then the next thing we change would
be just the wording in article 4 section

1045
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,440
one striking January inputting
September.

1046
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,600
» Right.
>> Okay.

1047
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:19,199
» Now that is a change to this draft. The
others are already in there that we

1048
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:22,960
talked about. Right. So we do I think we
have two changes to this document that

1049
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:27,920
have been discussed. One is to change
January to September.

1050
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:32,000
» Yes. And the other is to to truncate the
sentence about notifying the county

1051
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:36,520
mayor. Just to stop right there and
don't put the rest of that sentence in.

1052
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:46,560
» Yes, ma'am.
>> I have one correction.

1053
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:53,880
Um, you're assigning the Can I say good
um

1054
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:53,880
the two lot subdivisions? Mhm. Um,

1055
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:01,800
uh, Stephanie cannot disapprove a
plaque.

1056
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:07,440
» Okay.
>> She can either approve or send the

1057
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:10,960
» she either approves or sends to us or
the planning commissioner.

1058
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:14,560
» Uh, she she um
>> Okay.

1059
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:21,040
» There's no disapproval.
Um,

1060
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:28,800
and you should have usually there's a
statement in there that

1061
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:36,000
uh if she deems a
issue, she is uncomfortable at any time

1062
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:39,199
with a plat, she can refer it. Like that
I don't I have authority to do that in

1063
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,920
other counties.
>> And there are [clears throat] some I

1064
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:47,360
look at and I'm like,
>> I'm not touching it. It's it's it's

1065
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:52,480
either a political issue like the I had
to admit the one about the sheds. I

1066
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:59,440
would not have touched that one. Uh and
I think I even said you got my note

1067
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:03,600
afterward like don't approve that or uh
it should have been referred here.

1068
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,480
Anything that has any kind of political
or

1069
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:10,480
» e even if it meets
>> even if it meets No, I would

1070
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:12,800
» that's heavily contentious. I guess
>> if it's a contious

1071
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:17,520
» Yeah.
>> because it could be challenged based on

1072
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:21,040
the contious aspect of it.
>> Yeah. But I go back if it meets all

1073
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:25,920
requirements.
>> Well, she's using her to scratch. I

1074
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:31,040
» I know. I I know. But it that's pretty
much cut and dry check boxes if it meets

1075
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:35,000
the requirements or not. I mean, there's
not a lot of gray area there.

1076
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:39,600
» On two lot subdivision.
>> On two lot subdivision there. I mean,

1077
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:43,120
he's he's it's he's pretty much cut and
dry. It's laid out.

1078
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:47,360
» I think it's still a good mechanism for
whoever's in the staff position to kick

1079
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:50,480
that to a body because in the scenario
you're describing, it would still get

1080
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:54,320
approved legally. It would have no
reason to be disapproved, right?

1081
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,880
» But at least it's like, look, everybody
has looked at this. It does meet the

1082
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:04,320
requirements whether you like it or not.
>> So, uh, and and she can use her or

1083
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:08,800
whoever can use their discretion.
>> Yeah.

1084
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:14,560
I just if you got if you got the
checklist and it meets it irregardless

1085
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:17,440
how you feel, I feel, or he feels,
>> it meets it.

1086
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,719
» I've had to sit here and vote for some.
I didn't

1087
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:23,360
» Absolutely. [laughter]
>> I didn't agree with them. U

1088
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:27,360
but um
>> and and what you're doing in that if

1089
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:30,320
they come in week one of the month,
you're holding whoever's doing what

1090
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:34,920
they're doing up in another month's time
for something that's already in black

1091
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,920
and white.

1092
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:40,480
And and that's where you got to lay
political bias aside and do what's in

1093
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:43,920
black and white. If it meets the
requirements, it meets them whether

1094
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,199
Austin's spirit and Brian's against it
or not.

1095
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,936
» Yeah.
>> Right.

1096
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,960
» Uh usually the other way around, but
[snorts]

1097
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,880
» um
>> well, you're not going to be building

1098
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,520
those,
>> right?

1099
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:59,600
» I mean, it's going to be somebody got a
form or cutting off section for their

1100
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:03,120
kid for a house. And and again, you're
making it harder on a land owner, harder

1101
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,719
on a man that's trying to get something
or woman who's trying to get something

1102
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,679
done.
>> Like in this scenario, we're talking

1103
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,440
about one instance and in that instance,
the staff did approve it. So,

1104
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:14,480
» right. I'm just come up about
hypothetical future situations.

1105
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:17,840
» Yeah.
>> If it's in black and white, we don't

1106
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,440
need to see it.
Well, and I think maybe this is

1107
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:25,920
something that the staff may look at
that go

1108
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:29,360
» and it's I don't feel that it actually
means, but maybe you look at it and go,

1109
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,800
"Actually, I think it does."
>> Right.

1110
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:36,000
» And if she she or whoever in the future
is in that position is at that point,

1111
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:39,360
then by all means bring it to us.
>> Yeah. And that's all this says, my

1112
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:41,360
understanding of it.
>> Yeah. It's just an out.

1113
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:47,440
» Yeah.
>> Um and again, she can't disprove one.

1114
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:51,600
» Yeah. Right. And now the deal is and the
the state law

1115
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:55,040
she [laughter]
>> I mean really

1116
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:59,040
» sorry.
>> So

1117
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:01,520
» there's just instances where uh a staff
person may not feel comfortable

1118
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,679
approving.
>> Absolutely.

1119
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:11,280
» And uh the the way this is written it's
like someone could you know just because

1120
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:14,639
she doesn't feel comfortable approving
stuff and something

1121
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,280
» and I were to have that out. Absolutely.
then it needs to be there. I'm I'm just

1122
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,800
saying though if
>> and if it's if it's cut and dry,

1123
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:24,080
» you you brought in the whole political
aspect and who it's going to offend this

1124
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:27,520
that and the other and stuff and that's
that's off the table. If it's cut and

1125
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,840
dry, it's cut and dry.
>> Yeah.

1126
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:33,679
» No matter who's for it or who's against
it if it meets what the requirements set

1127
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,960
in place.
>> If it if we don't go with them, what's

1128
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,639
the use in having them?
>> And there in lies the reason that the

1129
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:43,199
planning commission has authority for
subra. You're not it's not a political

1130
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,600
decision.
That would be a county commissioner.

1131
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:50,080
» Absolutely.
>> So, it rests with the planning

1132
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:53,760
commission. But, um,
>> sorry, I didn't I'm not trying to be

1133
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,719
argumentative, but I think we're
spinning we're spinning our wheels on

1134
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,880
stuff that we don't need to spend it on.
>> Yeah.

1135
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:04,480
» Well, I'm opposed to this.
>> I do have a problem like you were.

1136
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:08,880
» No, I'm I'm opposed to having it before
us if it's cut and dry.

1137
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:13,600
» She said she she said if it had
political connotation to it,

1138
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:17,440
» it should come here.
it should come here if she's unsure and

1139
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:20,639
politics ain't got nothing to do
>> and that's that is not in here. So

1140
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,480
ultimately it's the discretion of
whoever holds [laughter]

1141
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:26,080
» that was great on paper.
>> Thank you. Yeah.

1142
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,360
» So basically we need to remove the
disapprove and

1143
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:32,960
» what happens if it doesn't meet the
requirements when they turn it in.

1144
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:38,000
» Um
>> isn't that a disapproval? Well,

1145
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,960
» she's she's going to disapprove it to
the person presenting it because it

1146
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,920
doesn't meet our requirements and
they've got to fix it.

1147
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:49,280
» She's going to say, "Yeah, go fix it."
>> She's saying it's just like I do. I'll

1148
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:54,560
make a list of things that they omitted
and you guys approve it on on these

1149
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,679
conditions that these conditions are met
>> and then it's approved.

1150
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:01,360
» Most people would come in, Stephanie
would go, "Hey, you didn't check this or

1151
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,040
that." And they're going to go, "Oh, let
me go fix that." Come back. Most people

1152
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:08,159
are going to do that. If someone were to
be forceful, she can't say, "No, I'm not

1153
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,880
approving this." At that point, she go,
"Okay, go before the planning

1154
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:13,760
commission." And at that point, you're
going to get told the same thing.

1155
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:18,960
» Absolutely.
>> There also is a proviso in the zoning

1156
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:23,360
ordinance where I mean in the subreg,
and this is in state law, that if a plat

1157
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:28,560
is presented that meets the requirements
and it's not approved or disapproved

1158
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:31,440
within 60 days,
>> I definitely remember that.

1159
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:38,400
» It's automatically approved.
>> Yes. So, and that that is to ensure that

1160
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:43,679
um nobody just gets one and sits on it.
>> It goes through the process.

1161
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:49,040
» Um but um
and it you know if let's say that there

1162
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:53,280
was ever a challenge about something
that challenges to if she's

1163
01:25:51,520 --> 01:26:00,960
uncomfortable with something that
challenges of this board

1164
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:05,120
not a staff person. That's that's where
um that's the [clears throat] reason I

1165
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,920
think if anything is
>> if you have never said the word

1166
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,360
politics, we wouldn't be having this
conversation. Did that trigger you,

1167
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:15,360
Brian? [laughter]
>> You're not a politician.

1168
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:18,159
» I am not sure
at all.

1169
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:22,560
» But she also should not be she should
not be taking grief over something

1170
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,800
that's a hot issue.
>> Absolutely. And we tried to have her

1171
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:32,159
back for the most part.
>> Right. Right. That's why if there's an

1172
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:38,560
issue that's uh um um anything that's a
hot issue or combative or etc etc etc

1173
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,480
that decision then should be made by
this board and not that set first.

1174
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,800
» I agree.
>> Can can I suggest a wording change then

1175
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,000
on this?
>> Absolutely.

1176
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:49,719
» Can we put political in there? No,
>> you [laughter] pushing me

1177
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:55,440
again.
>> Catherine, see see how you you feel

1178
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:59,760
about this. If we where there's a
semicolon at the top of that page, it

1179
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:04,960
says county subdivision regulations are
met. Semicolon. How about if we change

1180
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:09,679
that semicolon to a period and strike
and approve or disapprove the plants.

1181
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:13,760
» The next sentence then says, if
approved, this is what she does. Will

1182
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,880
that work?
>> Did that save you? If approved, it's sh.

1183
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:22,080
Yes.
>> Okay. Okay.

1184
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:25,080
» Cook period.
>> Strike.

1185
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,360
» That was simple enough. Less is more.

1186
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,560
» I'm down.
>> Yeah.

1187
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:52,920
» Yeah. I mean that that sounds great. It
does. We've addressed this. So last

1188
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,920
address this

1189
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:04,560
point a a point. Somebody comes in
brings a plaque. It is woefully

1190
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:08,000
inadequate.
>> She gives them a list. They they she

1191
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:12,080
gives them a list with six things. They
fix three

1192
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:15,960
at that point. bring it to this body to
have them deny it.

1193
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:23,280
» Yeah.
>> Um that you know no there's you reach a

1194
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:27,040
point where just back and forth and back
and forth with some of these surveyors.

1195
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:32,639
You know how that works. Oh yeah. So if
she does not take an action to approve

1196
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:35,840
or disapprove in 60 days then you run a
foul of the state law that it's

1197
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:41,520
» all right
>> automatically approved. So if she takes

1198
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:46,000
it, it's you work with it for one month.
After one month, the next month, put it

1199
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,400
on their agenda.
>> Okay.

1200
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:51,520
» If she gives them something to correct
and they don't correct it though, then

1201
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,920
is that not
>> Yeah.

1202
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,159
» Do we still Does the time start from the
time she tells them instructions?

1203
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,960
» Submitt.
>> Okay.

1204
01:28:56,639 --> 01:29:03,600
» It's submitt and I'll tell you this,
>> that's

1205
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:08,320
» there are people who say it's submitt.
There are people who say it's the action

1206
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:13,280
of uh planning commission.
>> Uh that is a hotly debated.

1207
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,800
» There's actually not
>> submitt would be when they write a

1208
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,600
check.
>> Um

1209
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:22,639
» they got to pay 100 bucks to submit it.
>> It's like when they hand it in, she

1210
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,880
says, "Well, you can't I can't take this
cuz you got to do this, this, this, and

1211
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:29,280
this, and this." Now, when you get that
fixed, bring it back. I take your check.

1212
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:33,600
» I mean, be my thoughts. And most of the
surveyors here that I see are are doing

1213
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:37,040
a good job.
>> Yeah.

1214
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:41,760
» Uh there are surveyors that
>> you won't put anything on. And I tell

1215
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:47,440
you 90% of the time they're they're
elderly and they're still doing work and

1216
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:53,679
they they they they can't do a digital
copy is uh you know there just times

1217
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:57,920
that they they'll
>> it goes back and forth and back and

1218
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:01,520
forth and back and forth. If it goes
back one more time, I give it to the

1219
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:07,600
planning commission to say deny it
without prejudice and then they can say

1220
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,239
when you correct this, we'll approve it.
But we'll approve it.

1221
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:16,000
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh we've got I'm going to kind of

1222
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:21,199
rain this in since we've talked a little
bit about it. We've got the copies.

1223
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:26,080
We've seen some stricken language. Uh
we've seen some change language. Does

1224
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:28,960
everybody have theirs marked where the
changes have been made?

1225
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,679
» Well, I've got two golf cers one of
them, right?

1226
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:34,800
» Okay. [laughter]
>> Different, but they're not the one we're

1227
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:38,639
dealing with.
>> No, they're not.

1228
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:42,080
» They're not.
>> Right. But we can get a copy made I'll

1229
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,520
take with me.
>> Yeah, that's this one. And this has the

1230
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:48,800
stricken.
>> Yeah.

1231
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:53,360
» And the changes made.
David, I think it's good piece of work.

1232
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:57,040
I like what I'm seeing. Would you be
willing to let us get these copies made,

1233
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,120
have them, and then
>> go to next

1234
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,440
» table to next meeting?
>> Absolutely. Uh, in fact, I'll make the

1235
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:07,760
changes in the original draft that we
talked about tonight and give them to

1236
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,600
Stephanie to to redistribute.
>> Okay. Everybody peace with that?

1237
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:13,520
» Yep.
>> I am as long as like everybody's got all

1238
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:17,760
their
>> It's all on the table now, right? Any

1239
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:22,400
concerns or anything with this? Like we
just need a clean document to present

1240
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:25,040
and approve. Yeah, I think I think this
is a good piece of work.

1241
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:28,320
» Yeah, if something comes up, I'll let
you know in June.

1242
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:34,159
» You're a good piece of work. [laughter]
>> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion

1243
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:38,560
that we postpone uh final approval on
the bylaws of Jefferson County Regional

1244
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:43,360
Planning Commission until next month, in
which time I will present [snorts]

1245
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:47,600
a new draft of the document with the
three changes we discussed

1246
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,360
today.
>> Okay. Second or you're going to ask for

1247
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,960
a second?
>> Yeah, I'll ask for a second.

1248
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:59,120
» You're learning often. Stick with it. We
have a proper motion on the forward. Do

1249
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:01,920
we have a second?
>> Second.

1250
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:07,520
» Is there any further discussion?
>> I hope not.

1251
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:10,320
» Baleith. One more outburst. [laughter]
>> One more item.

1252
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:15,440
» One more outburst.
>> Thank you. on the way out. [laughter]

1253
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,639
» Being none, all those in favor of
postponement till June, let it be known

1254
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:27,040
by saying I.
>> I.

1255
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:32,159
» Down to item V five. Any other business?
>> Is today really Miss Sue's birthday?

1256
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:37,639
» Happy birthday.
>> We don't have a cake for you.

1257
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:37,639
» Thank you. I know. You could say

1258
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:44,719
» you want a cake. So that's a bad
suggestion. [laughter]

1259
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:48,080
» Yeah. Yeah. Leave the big the big main
one.

1260
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:51,760
» We we we know we do have one thing to
show the group. So if you would allow

1261
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:55,120
Stephanie a moment to go retrieve that
just to

1262
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,800
» hold you seat. Sue, happy birthday.
>> Thank you.

1263
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:02,239
» This isn't the case.
>> I love to get it was but

1264
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:05,360
dread getting them. I love it.
>> I know this is a little bit out of

1265
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:11,600
order, but I'd like to ask a quick
question. Uh item A being the final PL

1266
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:14,880
approval for Ponderosa.
It was postponed last month, postponed

1267
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:18,400
it again this month.
>> It's if it's postponed, it's till they

1268
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:22,080
get their stuff together. It's not
tabled. So it's it's we wait until they

1269
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:26,159
get everything together.
>> But you were talking about 60 days from

1270
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:31,679
the day they submitted if no action is
taken. It becomes uh it's passed without

1271
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:34,400
action.
>> No,

1272
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:37,920
» but they have taken action. Postponement
is an action. Yeah,

1273
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,760
» it's it's we're we're good and they'll
come back in June if they're ready.

1274
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,040
» Okay.
>> Yeah,

1275
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:52,639
» I appreciate it. You're very welcome.
>> Uh so the document she's bringing

1276
01:33:47,440 --> 01:34:00,520
» um we've um we've struggled with
um

1277
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:00,520
a couple here. Um

1278
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:11,400
other weird one that's just
that one the one from

1279
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,880
» that's

1280
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:23,719
um

1281
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:31,960
» okay let me I'll bring up the one from
here.

1282
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,960
» Sorry.

1283
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:39,560
» I just can't read it if I print it
because of the size.

1284
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:50,800
» Um,
so these have been quote unquote

1285
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:55,199
submitted. Um they are obviously are
deficient

1286
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:58,639
in a number of
that one was the one

1287
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,639
» they've been submitted and will be on
the agenda for the June meeting.

1288
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,800
Correct.
>> Um

1289
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:11,665
» well well is we've not determined that
yet because they're unbuildable lots

1290
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:15,280
under the water of the lake.
>> [laughter]

1291
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:20,080
» So what happened is a property owner
bought the whole

1292
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:23,520
» whole acreage under the water.
>> Yeah.

1293
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:28,880
» This was a survey that was done in 2009
that was never recorded.

1294
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:34,960
So when the when he purchased it, he
purchased it from somebody that it was

1295
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:39,840
only done in a deed. it wasn't recorded
and now he's buying it and want to

1296
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:45,120
subdivide it to all these unbuildable
lots and the hopes I guess of so selling

1297
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:49,679
it to the other property owners because
TVA won't give them a dock if they don't

1298
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:56,000
underneath don't own underneath the
water now

1299
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:58,960
this is I've got two of them
>> this is the

1300
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:02,639
» actually had a buddy that went through
some you know Todd Lacy he had to do the

1301
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,920
same Yeah,
>> this is

1302
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:10,159
um
>> that's the other one and I can't you can

1303
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:15,040
» everything outside of the purple line is
underwater.

1304
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:17,280
Uh and so I talked to
>> normally

1305
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:22,000
» I talked to
>> maybe not right now. [laughter]

1306
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:28,956
» I talked to an attorney with TVA
>> and I talked to another surveyor who was

1307
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:35,520
worked with some of these issues. Um
[clears throat] there actually are is

1308
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:39,760
property totally underwater that
there were people who owned to the

1309
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:45,840
center line of the river
and their deeds went out there even

1310
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:51,600
though TVA when they inundated it they
didn't totally go away.

1311
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:55,760
» Mhm. [clears throat] Um, so if you don't
have technically

1312
01:36:53,600 --> 01:37:02,362
uh meet certain criteria, you can't get
a dock. So the intent, at least what the

1313
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:07,920
in two individuals I spoke with,
[snorts] their opinion was that this was

1314
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:12,719
being done in an effort to subdivide off
lots totally underwater and then sell

1315
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:17,119
them to adjacent property owners so they
could get a dock.

1316
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,199
It's as far as does it meet your
subdivision regulations. There's no road

1317
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:26,719
frontage, there's no access, [laughter]
there's no sewer, there's no water.

1318
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:30,719
» Our role is to build buildable lots. So
Steph and I have discussed this on

1319
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:35,600
numerous occasions. I've made lots of
phone calls

1320
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:40,719
» and like I said, the last two
with for this property were done on a

1321
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:45,600
deed referencing this old survey that
was never recorded. So they went through

1322
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:48,960
a title company
and the title company did the deed the

1323
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:52,480
last one.
>> Oh yeah.

1324
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,560
» And it's never been recorded.
>> So the original hasn't but has this

1325
01:37:54,960 --> 01:38:00,800
» These have been recorded. This is where
he bought it

1326
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:07,040
and this is where they bought it
>> and it was referencing this survey

1327
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:10,080
with all the writing saying that's being
particularly described.

1328
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:16,159
» We just wanted you guys to be aware of
it. Obviously if It's not recorded

1329
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:19,199
though. It's not legal.
>> Well, that's I mean,

1330
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,400
» no, the most recent one is
>> surveyors,

1331
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:24,639
» right?
>> Or two different attorneys right here.

1332
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:28,480
But this one isn't. This is from
recording.

1333
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:31,119
» Been recorded. They're referencing this
old survey that wasn't recorded.

1334
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:34,159
» That was not recorded.
>> That wasn't recorded.

1335
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:36,719
» Doesn't Cherokee just go to the high
water.

1336
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:39,440
» It does. And so does watch bar.
>> You know, when I talked to

1337
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:43,119
» that would take care of so much of it.
When I talked to the attorney that works

1338
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:51,199
with TVA,
>> he said that all of this was

1339
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:56,719
moot because when TVA inundated there
were uh federal legislation that it was

1340
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:02,800
condemned
>> for water purposes for and so none of it

1341
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:08,880
was applicable, but he was going to look
around TVA and talk to some people. So

1342
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:10,880
TVA is is giving permits for docks based
on this.

1343
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:13,920
» No. No.
>> So,

1344
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:17,119
» but they also deny people docks.
>> They're denying these some of these

1345
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,520
people docks because they don't own
under the water

1346
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:22,719
» cuz they don't
>> because they don't Well,

1347
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:25,280
» hold on now.
>> That's what

1348
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:28,880
» they can't do that. There are certain
No, that's wrong. No, they don't own

1349
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:35,119
down to the line.
>> That's what they property doesn't

1350
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:39,199
necessarily touch the lake.
Yes, that's that's the deal.

1351
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:43,199
» Stop short of the water.
>> Yeah. Well, according to this, the 102.

1352
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:47,560
» Yeah.
>> Which is the high water mark,

1353
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,560
» right?

1354
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:54,400
» Again, we just wanted you to be aware of
it. We don't want you to do anything.

1355
01:39:52,719 --> 01:40:00,800
Yeah. uh you know from the standpoint of
a plat they don't meet any kind of your

1356
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:06,960
criteria based on zoning or based on
zoning criteria and subre criteria

1357
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:10,880
to approve them. They can't be approved.
>> It sound political to me. [laughter]

1358
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:14,760
» Somebody's trying to charge somebody
that's done about water property.

1359
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:19,760
» So So here would be my thoughts on this,
you know. So, if this guy paid

1360
01:40:18,864 --> 01:40:23,360
[clears throat] $1,000 for all this
underwater property and he's divided in

1361
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,400
lots, he can only take that $1,000 and
divide it out by every how many lots and

1362
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,960
that's all he can charge.
>> He paid $100,000 for it

1363
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,800
» for that.
>> Yeah.

1364
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,880
» And how many lots he got.
>> But

1365
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:35,600
» but he bought more than just this.
>> No, he just bought what was under the

1366
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:40,560
water.
>> But how far out does it go

1367
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:43,199
» to write? All that shows it's just a
stone parcel.

1368
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:45,920
» I don't think we can stipulate what he
sells it for. We

1369
01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:49,280
» could. And I don't think we could
approve it either. cuz it fell under

1370
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:54,719
water.
>> Yeah. I don't know why you

1371
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:57,119
» you uh and this one is the one that
really scared me.

1372
01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:00,719
» Um
>> I have no idea

1373
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:03,679
» what what your DA is, do all these other
lakes, [clears throat] right?

1374
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:08,800
» Also, you cannot represent somebody
else's property and record it

1375
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:11,280
without their signature.
>> Yeah.

1376
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:17,760
» So, from a number of different
standpoints, these do not meet the

1377
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:21,440
criteria for submittal. So, they're not
um

1378
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:25,920
that's what we're basing that on, but we
wanted to make you guys aware of it.

1379
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:32,000
See, if you had ever seen anything like
this or been aware of anything like this

1380
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:37,040
has occurred, I've never seen this.
>> I actually have a friend of mine bought

1381
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:41,360
a piece of property and then found out
he could not have a dock there. He had

1382
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:46,159
to buy a piece of property that was
underwater so he could have a dock.

1383
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,800
What was he? Where was Todd at?
>> Muddy Creek.

1384
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:52,880
» It was over near the sheds.
>> This is Muddy Creek.

1385
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:57,199
» Yeah, Muddy Creek. Todd's place, pretty
sure.

1386
01:41:54,880 --> 01:42:01,360
» And at least one surveyor that I spoke
to said this was that was the reason for

1387
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:04,880
doing this.
>> Um

1388
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:09,440
that there would there would be an
attempt to go to these property owners

1389
01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:16,800
and sell it to them and combine it with
their lots. and and uh the surveyor I

1390
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:22,480
spoke to said they had done it before
one lot at a time.

1391
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:27,360
» One lot at a time because and and then
you had the person's signature, etc.

1392
01:42:24,639 --> 01:42:30,480
That one's got Jeez.
>> So that's a cove on two sides, right?

1393
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:32,639
Right.
>> Yeah. This one.

1394
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:37,071
» This one is big one is.
>> That's right.

1395
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:39,091
» Who checks the pins on them?
[laughter]

1396
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:46,080
» That's stupid.
But it's being done and there's money

1397
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:51,040
changing hands.
>> How much do they pay usually for a lot

1398
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,760
for or a lot underwater?
>> Eddie, [laughter]

1399
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:58,760
which it it would be I would feel better
about

1400
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:03,920
» Thank you for sharing. Could we
[laughter]

1401
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:06,639
could we even approve it though if it
violates all of our

1402
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:12,000
» right that
>> if it was being combined with adjacent

1403
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:14,960
property but that's not what these are
doing it shows

1404
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:18,960
» he wants it or whoever it is wants it
divvied up and then they're going to go

1405
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,800
» he wants to contact all the property
owners to buy one of the joints

1406
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:27,440
» and really do it the other way around
>> if someone who didn't own property

1407
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:30,000
bought one of these tracks somebody
didn't own adjacent property and they

1408
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:35,760
bought one of these tracks and they
wanted to anchor a house boat on top of

1409
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:39,040
their property. Lake City, there's house
boats all over that thing and they've

1410
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:41,840
got property. They run electrical lines
to them.

1411
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:46,639
Underwater cable.
>> Oh, been there. Seen it.

1412
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,360
» And they're not like in a marina where
what is that? A boat. That's a boat.

1413
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:53,840
That's a house.
>> It's It's a house boat.

1414
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:57,440
» House boat or boat house. house.
>> They've got docks on the on the house

1415
01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:02,080
for the boat to pull into, for the jet
ski to pull into, and they run an

1416
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:06,239
electrical cable from the utility. You
can pick a 100 or 200 amp. And 200 amp's

1417
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:09,760
$20,000
to get a drop to your house,

1418
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:13,360
boat house.
>> And so you own the land on the lake and

1419
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:17,840
you're looking out at somebody else
using the water.

1420
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:21,040
» Well, this doable in different places,
I'm sure.

1421
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:24,480
Washington State, Columbia River,
Georgia. I'm sitting out there in front

1422
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:27,840
of the river. Got houses. I mean, houses
built on poles. River goes up and down.

1423
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,840
Houses go up and down.
>> Mhm.

1424
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:34,520
» Garage doors. Pull our boats right in.
Just hit the remote. Drive your boat

1425
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:34,520
right in the garage.

1426
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:40,000
» Sure do. Wonder if I can buy a bunch of
that lake bottom property.

1427
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:43,840
Start selling.
>> What was it? Somebody said you they gave

1428
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:47,360
you a price for how much they paid for
it.

1429
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:50,080
» And they got the deed. He paid $100,000
for that property.

1430
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:54,400
» He paid a hundred for all this.
>> For all that. That's under the water.

1431
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:56,159
» And the deed you've got is this recorded
the whole thing

1432
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:00,560
» written out.
>> Okay. It's not one lot.

1433
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,639
» No, it's two tracks.
>> Two tracks.

1434
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:05,520
» Maybe the only way we can afford to buy
land now.

1435
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:09,600
» I think [laughter]
>> I think we need to need to get Katherine

1436
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:13,017
to draw up where she disagrees with it
and just give that to [laughter]

1437
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:16,880
» Yeah.
>> Um

1438
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:21,840
» I thought we had a good meeting today.
You know that's uh uh

1439
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:26,960
» if you believe that I've got a piece of
property on Norris Lake [laughter]

1440
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:29,920
property.
>> Thank you all for showing this to us.

1441
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:34,639
And I don't know how we move forward
with something like this. Uh I mean if

1442
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:37,520
they've submitted
>> you get to deny it because it wouldn't

1443
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,280
meet the regulations and then it puts
them back in their ballpark to figure

1444
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:41,679
out how to do it
>> to figure that out. But we've got to

1445
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:45,119
give them guidance on how to meet
whatever they need to meet.

1446
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:49,600
» One lot at a time.
>> One lot at a time. That's not even Yeah,

1447
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:52,800
that's not even a original.
>> I wouldn't want to prevent I wouldn't

1448
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:55,119
want to prevent anyone that bordered it.
I mean, if I live there and I wanted to

1449
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:57,679
buy it,
>> Yeah.

1450
01:45:56,080 --> 01:46:02,239
» I don't want to prevent that, but I also
don't want to violate our

1451
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:08,880
» Yeah. rules. rules.
>> You know, again, if they if they came in

1452
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:14,639
like brought lot 25 and 25 L and
combined them, then the determination

1453
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:18,800
would be Yes. You It's a It's a two lot
subdivision. Here's a great example.

1454
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:22,080
» Right.
>> Stephanie [laughter] can approve it.

1455
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:24,080
» Yeah.
You can

1456
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:28,960
» That could be That might be too
political.

1457
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:34,480
» Yeah, it sounds like it. [laughter]
Um that but that is the okay way to do

1458
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:38,800
it. Um
>> so that would be the guidance though

1459
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:43,920
» and and why do they have to have that in
order to be able to have a dock?

1460
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:47,760
» Cuz the government got involved.
>> Oh that's why it doesn't make sense.

1461
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:51,679
» Yeah. Money.
>> It's political. Brian

1462
01:46:49,904 --> 01:46:55,840
[laughter] they go hand in hand. Some of
those houses have dogs.

1463
01:46:54,000 --> 01:47:00,000
» Some of those houses have dogs. Well,
nobody has a dog without channel.

1464
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:02,960
» There's nothing black and white on this
one to make a decision.

1465
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:07,199
» No, no, no, no, [laughter] no. And and I
don't even I I mean, Has anyone asked

1466
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:11,440
you to approve it or
>> Oh, he just he wants it approved. That's

1467
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:15,119
what he wanted me that's what he wanted
me to find out cuz I told him I couldn't

1468
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:17,199
sign it. It was under the water.
>> Yeah.

1469
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:20,800
» And that's where we need your guidance,
Madam Planner.

1470
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,480
» Um I lost a whole field of wheat right
there.

1471
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,960
» Third back to
>> you know, we actually toss back

1472
01:47:23,964 --> 01:47:27,920
[clears throat] and forth. Should we put
them all on your agenda and have them

1473
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:31,040
all denied?
>> Just tell if I get flood insurance.

1474
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:37,119
» How many? [laughter]
All of them. How many are there?

1475
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:41,040
» 31. 34. There's individual one.
>> 24 30 31.

1476
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:43,679
» And why they all came in?
>> The month of May.

1477
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:46,000
» Yeah.
>> The same few weeks.

1478
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:51,840
» There's 32 on this one.
>> I guess the water started off somewhere.

1479
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:56,239
» He figured out what he had.
I mean, maybe he serve they surveyed it

1480
01:47:53,679 --> 01:48:00,800
while the water was low pool or
>> Well, they did. And this was 2009.

1481
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:04,480
» Oh, well,
>> well, the water leaves there every year.

1482
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:08,560
» They can survive.
>> Half of it out on dry land now.

1483
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:12,000
» This one here's got 42 lots.
>> Yeah.

1484
01:48:10,469 --> 01:48:17,520
[snorts]
>> But they can do it one lot at a time.

1485
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:21,520
» They can do it one lot at a time.
>> As long as the property owner above the

1486
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:25,119
water is willing to buy it. Well, that's
what they would be doing is combining.

1487
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:29,199
Yeah, you would it would be a two lot
subdivision. You would be eliminate the

1488
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:32,239
lot eliminating lot.
>> Why do they have lots under the water

1489
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:37,199
anyway?
>> Well, the water wasn't there first.

1490
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:40,080
» Well, there they
deeds went to the center line of the

1491
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:45,360
river.
>> Oh, I got you.

1492
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:47,760
» So, that is the Gotcha.
>> So, they condemned up to the 1002.

1493
01:48:47,150 --> 01:48:53,280
[clears throat]
Then the usable land was above the 102.

1494
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:56,080
So people bought those
>> and now

1495
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:58,400
» it sit dormant for years. I mean in the
80s you couldn't give away like

1496
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:01,600
property.
>> I know.

1497
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,440
» No you can't afford
>> you can't afford to buy it. Yeah. You

1498
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:09,600
ain't just kidding.
>> Okay. That's a good uh thing to close

1499
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:13,040
on.
>> So Katherine, you're going to work with

1500
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:17,920
Stephanie on this
>> and stuff. get things ready for her on

1501
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:22,159
what's the best way to move forward
>> with [laughter] the two block

1502
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:25,840
» with this whole deal
>> again. I've been asking a lot of

1503
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:29,280
questions. I've called I've called
everybody I know

1504
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:34,880
» and you talked to Brandon had you talked
to Brandon Jared, didn't he?

1505
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:37,920
» I called him. He never called me back.
>> Here's the deal. It's only going to be

1506
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:41,520
on Douglas.
>> Yeah. I mean, that's the only lake it's

1507
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:43,760
on because they bought the property to
the high water mark everywhere else.

1508
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,320
Yeah.
>> All the TVA changes.

1509
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:49,040
» Yes, sir.
>> You mean you don't have this trouble

1510
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:53,600
that way
>> and in in some like Waga Lake, there is

1511
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:57,760
no private property on the lake.
>> There are no houses on Lake. There's

1512
01:49:56,159 --> 01:50:02,960
» Dale Hall. Same way.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So they I guess they just

1513
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:08,719
treated everyone different.
>> But Douglas is the only one that they

1514
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:12,719
» didn't buy the property. All the rest of
the lakes you only own down to the high

1515
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:16,800
water mark.
Cherokee North watch bar Loud and

1516
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:20,560
Teleico yada yada all the TVA chain
lakes right on down. [snorts]

1517
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,159
» Okay.
>> Okay. So,

1518
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:25,119
» okay.
>> Katherine and Stephanie's working on

1519
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:30,639
this and they're going to come back to
us what they come up with. Anything else

1520
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:34,639
y'all like to present?
>> Any other fun topics?

1521
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:37,920
» Being no other business, I'll entertain
a motion to adjourn. Have a motion. Do

1522
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:41,760
we have a second?
>> Second. All those of favor can