1 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:08,480 So the mayor is here to administer our oath. I hope everyone have the opportunity to read the ethics ordinance as well. 2 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:38,340 Good evening Madam Chair and board members. Thank you so much for having me. I am going to present your oath. I will start. You'll each raise your right hand. Repeat your name. And then I will say the oath after you. So we'll start with Mr. Block. 3 00:01:38,340 --> 00:01:42,180 I can go over on the room, so please raise your right hand and state your name. 4 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,800 Jelly Blackstock. 5 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,240 Thank you. 6 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Holly McChain. 7 00:01:49,140 --> 00:01:49,780 Tracy Blanca. 8 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,020 That's Jared. 9 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,940 Thank you very much. 10 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:58,780 I do hereby solemnly swear and affirm that I will faithfully and impartially execute my term 11 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:04,320 of office on the Jefferson Historic Preservation Commission and will, to the best of my ability, 12 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,960 support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the Constitution and laws of the State of Georgia, 13 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:17,780 the charter for the City of Jefferson, ordinances, regulations of the City of Jefferson, and other governing documents. 14 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:24,480 I further solemnly swear and affirm, as follows, I am not the holder of any unaccounted for public money, 15 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:32,160 do the State of Georgia, or any political subdivision or authority thereof, and am not the holder of any office of trust 16 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:42,400 under the government of the United States, the State of Georgia, or any other state, or any foreign state by which the laws of the State of Georgia, I am prohibited from holding. 17 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:56,720 I have received a copy of and will abide by the Code of Ethics of the City of Jefferson, adopted in Division 2, Code of Ethics, Article 3, officers and employees of Chapter 2 Administration of the Jefferson Code of Ordnances. 18 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:03,980 I do have, I do not have any conflicts of interest and will not knowingly engage in any 19 00:03:03,980 --> 00:03:09,340 matter that creates a conflict with the service, with my service to the city of Jefferson 20 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:11,400 without disclosing said conflict. 21 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:18,720 I am qualified and willingly hold said office to which I am appointed by the governing body. 22 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,420 Thank you. 23 00:03:55,810 --> 00:03:57,150 I'll take a look at the end of these. 24 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,180 Thank you, Mayor. 25 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,060 We appreciate it. 26 00:04:02,060 --> 00:04:02,840 Okay, 27 00:04:06,650 --> 00:04:10,290 maybe we went along to the approval of our previous minutes. 28 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:13,670 Did you all have an opportunity to review the July minutes? 29 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:19,070 And those July minutes are the ones that were online and not what was in your packet. 30 00:04:19,350 --> 00:04:26,010 I apologize that your packet that was built to use a little wonky compared to our correct one online. 31 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:31,970 And thank you for forwarding that to us to your review. I appreciate it. 32 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:37,350 Okay, I would entertain a motion to prove the minutes. 33 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:42,450 It's July 2nd. 34 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:42,950 Second. 35 00:04:43,090 --> 00:04:43,430 My bill. 36 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:44,470 Any discussion? 37 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:47,300 All in favor? 38 00:04:50,780 --> 00:04:53,260 All business, election of officers. 39 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:57,080 Yes, I think that was on your last meeting that I missed. 40 00:04:57,540 --> 00:05:01,900 And you all chose to postpone that until you had a full board. 41 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:03,440 And so, now you do. 42 00:05:03,820 --> 00:05:04,160 Now we do. 43 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:10,930 So, um, do we have any nominations from the from the floor? 44 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:14,730 I guess we'll start with, we'll start. 45 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:16,870 We need a chair. 46 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:21,650 Yes, then a co-chair and then Lynn served as the secretary 47 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:24,210 and did a fantastic job. 48 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:26,410 So, if anybody would like to take that on. 49 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:26,910 That would be great. 50 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:30,730 So, do we have any nominations from the floor for chair? 51 00:05:31,090 --> 00:05:31,570 I'd 52 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:34,940 be old. 53 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,980 Well, I don't think he ought to use that term, but I don't think so. 54 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,260 Do we have anybody else who was interested in serving as chair? 55 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:51,100 Not to do the wonderful job. 56 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:54,650 Sputter, are you up, Tracy? 57 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:55,770 Oh, okay. 58 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:58,370 Are you interested in getting someone in? 59 00:05:58,890 --> 00:05:59,610 I think it's my time. 60 00:05:59,970 --> 00:06:00,590 I didn't ask that question. 61 00:06:00,750 --> 00:06:01,690 Sherry, don't ask that question. 62 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:06,050 I think the silence in the rain would indicate. 63 00:06:06,610 --> 00:06:08,070 I am willing to continue. 64 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:14,630 continue to service chair for another term and then perhaps we'll do some training and 65 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:16,950 grooming to pass that baton in the future. 66 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:22,890 So shall we just select a slate and then 67 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:30,930 vote for the slate? Would you like to elect per position? Whatever is your pleasure, ma'am? 68 00:06:31,210 --> 00:06:36,610 Then why don't we just select a slate? How about that? A vice chair? I know Chris 69 00:06:36,610 --> 00:06:40,450 just to express a willingness to serve as vice chair. 70 00:06:41,010 --> 00:06:45,290 Is anybody else interested in that position, 71 00:06:45,490 --> 00:06:49,210 would they like to nominate, would you like to nominate 72 00:06:49,210 --> 00:06:50,550 yourself or someone else? 73 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:53,830 Or do we just punish Christopher Bingham? 74 00:06:54,010 --> 00:06:56,090 I was just supposed to, I think Christopher. 75 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:58,670 She did a great job when you were, when you were absent. 76 00:06:59,090 --> 00:07:01,390 She did a good job when you were absent. 77 00:07:02,090 --> 00:07:03,450 Here we are, okay, great. 78 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:04,750 Then, easy enough. 79 00:07:05,370 --> 00:07:07,510 Then maybe my law into secretary. 80 00:07:09,770 --> 00:07:13,330 So clearly we can't just make the same person stay in that role. 81 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:16,830 So if somebody willing to serve as our secretary. 82 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:25,080 I would think the secretary would be somebody that brawled up in with them. 83 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:25,880 Right. 84 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:26,900 That wasn't right. 85 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,460 Oh, that. 86 00:07:32,220 --> 00:07:35,940 What are the duties of secretary responsibilities? 87 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:44,540 you take you take the minutes of every every meeting and keep the records make 88 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:51,080 sure that the chair has properly signed off on any COAs and communicate with 89 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,860 Michelle prepare the well actually doesn't prepare the agenda anymore right 90 00:07:55,860 --> 00:08:01,020 no Lynn usually did did an agenda he had an agenda template that he would go 91 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:05,760 ahead and forward so if there was anything any old business or anything he sent 92 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,540 it on to planning to make sure that they got that on the agenda correctly. 93 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Yes, and typically reviews that agenda, what Tracy gets that, you know, sent back out 94 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,600 to make sure we have everything correct. 95 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:30,840 It's hard to say, Lynn's role is really kind of surpassed the secretary role and so we 96 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,240 I also know that he's not replaceable, but the Secretary role is, uh, it's- 97 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,180 Well, you have to have three iPads in front of you. I think it was. 98 00:08:38,580 --> 00:08:40,980 Yes. Three iPads at all times. 99 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:45,460 And ask 100 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:52,180 many, many questions of every applicant. 101 00:08:54,540 --> 00:08:58,820 I'll, I think Joey, look at him. I think he's got all those questions just right there. 102 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,040 It's a way to learn, Joey. 103 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,700 Well, I did jump earlier. I had my list of questions written. 104 00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:05,760 So there you are. I'll be right. 105 00:09:06,220 --> 00:09:07,860 Really some great on the job track. 106 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,620 I don't want to dump that on you on a very first meeting. 107 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,680 But I will say having observed you in your leadership skills with all of your organizations, 108 00:09:16,740 --> 00:09:18,980 I know that you probably can do this in your sleep. 109 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:23,140 But I would highly support you, but I also don't want to pick up spot eater. 110 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:27,820 I was going to say there was silence in the room. I'm willing to do it. 111 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:34,380 But I also don't want to be raising my hand and everything on the first meeting too. 112 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,580 So I would like to know an angel in the black stock. 113 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,920 I was just going to go ahead and say, okay. 114 00:09:40,820 --> 00:09:42,540 All right. Excellent. 115 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,520 So it seems that we have slicked. 116 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:53,400 So that would be Tracy Blanco's chair, Christa Martin as vice chair and Joey Blackstock as secretary. 117 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,280 We 118 00:09:58,180 --> 00:10:03,280 have a, well, can you please amend your motion to present the entire slate? 119 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:09,960 Yes, I would like to present a motion to approve the slate as described by our current chair. 120 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:16,160 To keep the current chair in her position and our current co-chair in her position 121 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,780 and then add Joey Blackstock as secretary to replace the slate. 122 00:10:24,020 --> 00:10:25,060 Any further discussion? 123 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:26,480 Strong. 124 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:27,720 Strong. 125 00:10:29,020 --> 00:10:30,020 All in favor? 126 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:42,140 You were born to serve in that spot. 127 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,260 There's a reason you put them there, wasn't it? 128 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:49,140 I was just setting them up, setting them up. 129 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:53,000 Okay, we're moving on. 130 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,780 Are, should we have to get a appropriateness? 131 00:10:57,780 --> 00:10:59,120 No, no applicant. 132 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:00,840 No applicant, I could try calling. 133 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:07,510 Is this something that you all would like to review 134 00:11:07,510 --> 00:11:08,470 in his absence? 135 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:10,450 Do you feel like you have any questions or? 136 00:11:10,810 --> 00:11:11,650 I do have a question. 137 00:11:11,930 --> 00:11:12,150 Okay. 138 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:13,390 It's appropriate to ask. 139 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:15,650 So this one was a little unusual given the fact 140 00:11:15,650 --> 00:11:17,010 that it's a commercial property. 141 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:21,530 and so some of the things items that were listed on here obviously did not fall 142 00:11:21,530 --> 00:11:26,130 under that. So am I clear in thinking that only thing that we would be looking at 143 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:30,790 would be the paint at the exterior building? I'm not sure that we consider paint 144 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:37,790 options anymore. So that's not part of it. So mainly because of the porch 145 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:43,710 railing. So even as commercial we still have, it's still is in the historic distance. 146 00:11:43,710 --> 00:11:50,350 So, all right, but I guess if I was looking at the notes, it wasn't very clear on exactly 147 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:57,210 what parts of the request were exempt from the commission's approval. 148 00:11:58,690 --> 00:12:02,410 So, that's why I'm asking. 149 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:13,610 So, it says under page 3 under B. It says residential guidelines address changes, 150 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:26,070 which I kind of felt like that fell under, but I could be wrong, and said, however, this is not a residential property, but it's an office. Therefore, the residential guidelines do not apply. 151 00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:36,390 And wait, there aren't the civic guidelines in respect. So we're just approving it based on the aesthetic on what the committee feels is appropriate. 152 00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:37,030 Okay. 153 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:37,810 Correct. 154 00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:43,670 Because there aren't, I guess, porches aren't a typical structure for commercial property, 155 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:47,610 so there aren't the not less, don't specifically address that. 156 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:51,310 So that's something we need to consider for future guideline adjustment. 157 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:52,870 Perhaps. 158 00:12:53,130 --> 00:12:57,870 It's been a while since we've reviewed our guidelines anyway. 159 00:12:58,390 --> 00:13:05,630 It has been a while, and we can get into that a little bit deeper later on in the meeting. 160 00:13:05,630 --> 00:13:14,990 But there's a couple of things that we need to take a look at to continue our certified 161 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:18,070 local government's compliance. 162 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:26,830 So I guess the first question is, do you all feel comfortable making a decision on 163 00:13:26,830 --> 00:13:33,970 this application without the applicant president or do you want Michelle to call him or do 164 00:13:33,970 --> 00:13:39,170 We want to table it until he is to re I'm not sure that we can table it. 165 00:13:39,410 --> 00:13:44,910 I believe that if we don't make a decision, it automatically is approved, although he 166 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:47,810 did not attend the meeting, even though he did not attend the meeting. 167 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:48,310 Correct. 168 00:13:48,730 --> 00:13:52,050 What would be the reason because I thought we had a couple of meetings. 169 00:13:54,350 --> 00:13:56,290 I think the date on the, 170 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:04,900 on the announcement that yeah, yeah, 171 00:14:09,290 --> 00:14:11,490 I think, I think, I think 172 00:14:11,490 --> 00:14:14,750 I think it's a certain number of days, but before we could meet again, 173 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:20,630 I mean, unless we want to do a special called meeting before we met at our next one, 174 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:22,710 the date that time limit would be up. 175 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:32,520 So I guess the next question being then, do we have specific questions that we need to ask 176 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,440 of the property owner before we make a decision? 177 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:39,060 If so, try to get him on the phone. 178 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:46,700 And then, of course, the other option is, we just deny it if you're not comfortable. 179 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,520 That's always an option. 180 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:59,860 If you have questions, do you want to discuss those first so we have a list of- 181 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:18,300 There's a photo on page 23 of page 23, I think it is, or 8, or I don't know. There's multiple page numbers. 182 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,520 I 183 00:15:44,890 --> 00:15:47,810 don't think that's correct. 184 00:15:49,170 --> 00:15:50,570 We don't have to make a decision. 185 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:52,230 We don't have to do anything about that. 186 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:55,510 We just determine its historic purpose. 187 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,180 And I guess you just kind of have to figure out 188 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:02,320 if that aesthetic is going to be OK, 189 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,760 because it's going to set a precedent. 190 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:05,500 Right. 191 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,880 And it is a very modern, it's a very modern, 192 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,300 industrial type that's 193 00:16:17,070 --> 00:16:18,710 not something common for that time. 194 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:19,730 No, it's not. 195 00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:22,270 And at the same time, I don't want to run off 196 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:25,350 local businesses or make their job even harder. 197 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:30,850 but however, however, it's just a little bit of a concern. 198 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:34,850 What do you think would be more appropriate 199 00:16:34,850 --> 00:16:38,650 and in terms of the skin, 200 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:41,290 not metal and is that the, 201 00:16:41,650 --> 00:16:42,530 and wood means, 202 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:44,690 or what would be different? 203 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:46,990 What would be more appropriate for that time? 204 00:16:47,890 --> 00:16:48,650 It was all metal. 205 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:50,290 Wouldn't that look better? 206 00:16:50,970 --> 00:16:52,230 One of the other, maybe. 207 00:16:52,230 --> 00:17:00,190 One of the other all metal are all with well. What is the data construction of this property do we know? 208 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,060 I'm looking to see if it's on keep public. 209 00:17:29,730 --> 00:17:41,870 I remember looking I mean as you notice in all the questions justifying the request for the certificate. There was no 210 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:43,250 information provided? Yeah. 211 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,620 Well certainly not in 1940's appropriate. It doesn't 212 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:56,440 seem like somebody who's trying to comply. 213 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:23,350 I mean in the fact of the matter 214 00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:28,090 it's um typically in these situations we have an applicant present that we 215 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:33,830 can discuss options and yeah I thought that we had to rule that if they weren't 216 00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:38,890 here it was automatically denied and then they can reapply. Is it because we 217 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:55,660 We can deny we can still deny but yeah, he didn't apply until August 17th 218 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:06,320 correct we table it does it automatically fast get okay is it on not we don't 219 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:16,020 vote on it 60 days 60 days so that was quick Google image 220 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:21,360 searches and it doesn't match again I don't want to make a big deal about it but 221 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:25,200 it's just like it's more of the fact that we don't have a guideline regarding it 222 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:32,480 I'm worried that I mean the only one thing I don't know the height it's probably has 223 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,440 to be up to code for today's specs but if it were a residential property with 224 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,860 residential ease it'd be a lot simpler because there is porch guide line on that and 225 00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:45,640 it says you can't use metal decorations of any kind. 226 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,700 Right, I 227 00:19:48,910 --> 00:19:51,370 mean, so that's kind of like the style. 228 00:19:51,530 --> 00:19:53,150 It's a great way for fun, the way. 229 00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:55,950 And this is sort, this is your style 230 00:19:55,950 --> 00:20:01,740 of the, even in the commercial districts 231 00:20:02,370 --> 00:20:05,480 of the properties that have porches 232 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,680 in the store districts now. 233 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:09,620 This is very inconsistent. 234 00:20:12,020 --> 00:20:13,440 Yeah, this is why I think 235 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,060 this is the first time 236 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:39,680 We just have to agree, you know, we're going to, like, just support it, just so we know that that's, well, it's, it's not comfortable to do an outright denial, but when you don't have the opportunity to have a, a discussion with the applicant, it doesn't leave us a lot of options when it clearly isn't compliant. 237 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:44,120 Do we want to call them so we can at least say we try? 238 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:49,380 I think that's okay with that but at the same time there is their obligation 239 00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:52,860 to be present or to send a representative on their behalf. 240 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,900 I feel like I'm a school chasing down a child to give them their lunch. 241 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:58,780 They've all dropped off. 242 00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:07,510 Well I think in this situation when we don't have clear guidelines 243 00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:10,130 and we don't have any guidance from the applicant 244 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:13,590 and we don't really know other than a tiny little Xerox, 245 00:21:13,710 --> 00:21:15,230 what that actually looks like, 246 00:21:15,310 --> 00:21:17,310 and what materials are they going to swap it out? 247 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:21,570 I would be not surprised that the finding installations 248 00:21:21,570 --> 00:21:23,570 don't really look like it, right? 249 00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:27,210 So I want to see it in person or something, 250 00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:28,770 or a little bit more. 251 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:31,170 And then I think we ought to be consistent. 252 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:35,610 And if this was, you know, this was a house, 253 00:21:35,610 --> 00:21:43,090 and now it's office. Do we defer to that residential guidelines because people are driving 254 00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:51,810 by it over and over. Right. Right. It should look like a house if it's a house. Right. 255 00:21:51,970 --> 00:22:04,350 Because it is a house. And it's reasonable to say that we would like to shift this back to the guidelines that we already have set for homes and things that look like homes. 256 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:08,370 Even if you're not looking at it as a home, that's not it. 257 00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:09,090 Yes. 258 00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:12,890 And also I just think that not showing up and not filling out 259 00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:17,290 and not providing any things is not something 260 00:22:17,290 --> 00:22:19,770 that I would like to see people with me. 261 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:22,490 I want to set a precedent and people on, yes, 262 00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:24,330 so that's how you're trying to ask whatever. 263 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:30,050 And if you don't come out, it's how you move the trajectory 264 00:22:30,050 --> 00:22:36,810 to less and less, you know, you could say, this was denied only because you weren't here 265 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:41,850 to support and we weren't able to discuss it with you. We're happy to hear it again. 266 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:51,190 You know, I mean, it makes me happy. It needs to be like a home, a home, right? 267 00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:58,650 Because the, the porch is not, it's not appropriate to the, to the top period. 268 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:08,900 Yeah, they had ornamental iron railings in the 40s. 269 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:09,360 Yeah. 270 00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:15,400 That would also be a decorative white iron would have been fine too. 271 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,100 And this is going to help us. 272 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,280 This particular one doesn't look like anything before. 273 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:31,640 This is a tough one. 274 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:39,060 But do we get a confirmation on how much, like, what the deadline is before it is? 275 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:43,240 Yes, as to whether we have the kind of look forward on that. 276 00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:50,530 I mean, if we are... 277 00:23:50,530 --> 00:24:02,970 If the thought is that the appropriate response is denial, and we're tabling it only because he's not here to defend it, 278 00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:10,970 then perhaps the best response is, we deny it and provides an explanation and give him 279 00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:13,990 the opportunity to re-apply. 280 00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:18,610 Or deny it because we don't have enough information. 281 00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:19,970 Without enough information. 282 00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:24,930 And if you want to come back to explain it. 283 00:24:24,930 --> 00:24:25,130 Yeah. 284 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:26,430 Good possibility. 285 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:27,030 Well, okay. 286 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:27,790 Yeah. 287 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,050 Maybe with some changes. 288 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:35,750 I feel more comfortable with kind of trying to hold the mind on if you're going to go to 289 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:41,450 this level, please show up because if we have questions, we really like to get things. 290 00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:42,630 Well, that's right. 291 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:47,430 And the fact that it is a very incomplete application doesn't help either. 292 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:50,890 I don't even see where they talk about the railing on the very front pages. 293 00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:51,830 Talks about paint. 294 00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:53,790 So where's the picture of it? 295 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:54,490 Well, we don't hear anything. 296 00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:54,970 Yes. 297 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:56,990 There's no having to hold the paint anyway. 298 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:58,530 So this railing is already up? 299 00:25:00,590 --> 00:25:05,530 No, I don't think that's a good way to do it. 300 00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:10,750 Yeah, and AI isn't always put up pictures of the pain 301 00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:11,550 that you're going to do. 302 00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:20,270 So when it says painted wall sign on rear building, 303 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:22,210 we don't have to lay down on the side. 304 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,390 So that is actually incorrect. 305 00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:30,650 That was just not changed on that front page, that front cover page. 306 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:37,330 If you'll see that says, I've got my pages all. 307 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:39,630 26-0.1. 308 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:42,730 And that was the one that came from Revival Hall. 309 00:25:43,270 --> 00:25:46,010 This is actually 26-02. 310 00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:58,890 Michelle and Joey will be playing closer attention to our packets. 311 00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:11,970 I'm getting clarification on our deadline. 312 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:16,210 I've been asked to hang on a sec. 313 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:16,910 Okay. 314 00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:18,030 So 315 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,140 we would send back something that said, 316 00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:50,060 deny slash insufficient information. 317 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,040 Is that harassing? 318 00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:54,280 Or advocate my president? 319 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:05,700 That is what I'm receiving the information I'm receiving is to deny if that's what the board 320 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,360 chooses to do and the applicant can reapply. 321 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:08,980 If it 322 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,500 is a reading, it just says that, you know, under the Georgia Historic Preservation Act, 323 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:20,080 that governs all of the commissions. 324 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,420 The Jefferson HVCS-45, this is the state's two-year approval projected 325 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:26,700 after spending could be filed. 326 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,340 And if they kill the act within that 45-day window, 327 00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:31,740 the application is considered approved. 328 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,820 So not a good idea to table it. 329 00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:34,400 Right. 330 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:36,960 But so our audit... 331 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,720 Yes, that's right. 332 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,380 So would somebody like to make a motion in that regard? 333 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,600 I'm sorry. 334 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,500 Make motion that we've been on this commission that we have ever outright denied one. 335 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:54,520 Yeah, just don't put it in the mortar 336 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:03,080 I think that's right. I don't think under any circumstances we would have approved what they've submitted that there could have been a 337 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,840 Conversation about some modifications that it could have been made to make it to an agreement. But we can't come to 338 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:22,180 Would it have been appropriate to reach out to this person before the meeting and just been like so if you had let's say I want to know why are we doing our instead of wood? 339 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:26,440 Would it have been appropriate to ask that question or would it be 340 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,600 better to keep that in this formal. For my information. 341 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,040 That's what this forum is for, so it's a public conversation. 342 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:35,160 Correct. 343 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,500 It has to sit down meeting with the planning and development, so 344 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:46,320 a lot of those questions can be worked through during that meeting. 345 00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:47,080 Okay. 346 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,040 Theoretically, however, that, you know, he's meeting with Jerry. Jerry's not, 347 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Jerry's not the sort of preservation commission, so he's not, 348 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,540 but he does know the ordinance, he does know the guidelines. 349 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:10,260 But he's not getting into the nitty-gritty of every. We're thinking of different questions. Once he's written it up and submitted it, then the next conversation is here. 350 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:24,860 And it can't come in while we're talking about it, we changed it. We've got this here. As a public hearing, it's more transparent to have those discussions in this meeting. 351 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:33,860 Now you can certainly drive by, take a look at that space, get out, hold the picture up, 352 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:38,620 do your own research on when that was built, what would be appropriate, and have that 353 00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:40,240 information here at that meeting. 354 00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:50,950 But is there any kind of paperwork or guidelines for him to build this, maybe even if he does 355 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:55,650 or wouldn't when he could possibly build a one out of wood, not particularly unique to 356 00:30:55,650 --> 00:30:56,490 that period either. 357 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,240 There needs some kind of guideline that they know that they should 358 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:10,100 have to meet to do this way. I think that's where we get into the discussion of updating 359 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:16,260 our guidelines, especially Joey had kind of mentioned before the meeting. And then it's been 360 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:23,520 discussed during this conversation on the COA, what do you do when you have a home, 361 00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:29,680 have a building that was built for residential purposes, and it is now O and I, or a commercial 362 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,140 building, which guidelines do you follow? Do you follow residential? Do you follow the 363 00:31:36,140 --> 00:31:43,260 commercial guidelines? And so taking that into consideration, I think there are some, some 364 00:31:43,260 --> 00:32:04,840 on updates that we may want to want to make as we move forward and I think those are as long as we don't lessen any guidelines that the state has put in place, we can make those choices as a board to preserve our historic districts. 365 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,300 So. 366 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:05,780 Right. 367 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,960 I mean, as a well put, and I think it, I mean, I lean towards, if it, we're historic, 368 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,660 so we're looking to the original construction. 369 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,400 If he had come with this and said, I want to put him in a glass door, and I think that 370 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,480 had come up before, you know, it had been pretty clear that, you know, that's not, that's 371 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,420 kind of a look weird. 372 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:28,080 Right. 373 00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:33,240 And then we have to assume that people are not driving around with the knowledge of what 374 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:59,470 I just wanted to see how long I can make this agenda and how many pieces of paper I could add to it. 375 00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:07,970 But after, so our bylaws, we're taking a look at that across all of our boards with the 376 00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:17,470 city and our city attorney had created just sort of a template for bylaws. 377 00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:25,250 And so I'm including it on all of my boards, but really, HVC doesn't need bylaws because 378 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:28,070 because everything is addressed in the Laney Spanagement Code. 379 00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:32,830 So we don't even have to worry about moving forward with any by-laws. 380 00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:35,230 So just ignore the by-laws section. 381 00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:43,610 And then the other part is those guidelines, so it gets me a little bit into the certified 382 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:44,430 local government. 383 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:52,770 That is something that Jefferson has been since, I believe it was 1986, I believe, was when 384 00:33:52,770 --> 00:34:00,510 we become a certified local government, and that is a partnership between us, the National 385 00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:04,750 Historic Trust and the State Historic Preservation. 386 00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:12,930 With those, there's certain things that we have to, we have to turn in resumes for our board. 387 00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:21,850 We have not done so in several years, so I'll be sending out a resume form for everybody 388 00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:33,150 on the board to fill out and then we will send in our ordnance and then we'll go ahead 389 00:34:33,150 --> 00:34:39,490 and send in these guidelines and then we will work with Sandra Hall who is with the 390 00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:45,290 Department of Community Affairs, she's the Certified Local Government Coordinator and 391 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:52,610 And maybe have her come in and do maybe a class or maybe even more like a retreat so 392 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:58,830 we can look through these guidelines and really talk about what needs to be updated, what 393 00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:04,830 needs to be changed, what needs to be looked at, and we can move forward with getting new 394 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:06,170 guidelines in place. 395 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:11,230 The next part of that is then getting a survey done. 396 00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:18,070 And that's they look to have those done on our historic districts every 10 to 15 years. 397 00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:22,710 It's been a little longer than that since we've had hours done. 398 00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:28,570 And so we're I'm working to get the cost of that. 399 00:35:29,090 --> 00:35:36,550 It may not be something that we can do next year but there are once we do get all of our board 400 00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:39,590 resumes in and our guidelines and ordinances in. 401 00:35:39,590 --> 00:35:48,310 And we would be able to apply for a grant, which could be up to $25,000 to help us with that survey. 402 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:50,250 What kind of survey? 403 00:35:51,070 --> 00:35:55,710 Survey of all of the property in the historic district. 404 00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:59,430 So, survey, survey individual homeowners? 405 00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:07,390 So, no, you just, you really, it's almost every physical, you pretty much stand on the, 406 00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:14,770 They have some very interesting software and new tools that they use. 407 00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:22,230 There's a lot of universities that have students go out and do this as part of a learning program. 408 00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:30,870 But they pretty much, anything they can get from standing on the sidewalk, you get a photo, you kind of pull up. 409 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:44,690 Yep, it's an inventory pull-up key public and try to get your, you know, as close to your square footage if there's any additions, additional buildings on the property, that kind of thing. 410 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:59,430 And there's, we have files on every single piece of property that is in our historic district plus some because when it was originally done, when the surveys were originally done, they pretty much, 411 00:37:00,030 --> 00:37:07,410 You're looking at surveying anything that's 40 years older, older. 412 00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:13,710 It can't be part of the historic district until it's 50 years old, but you go ahead and do that 40, 413 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:19,270 anything 40 and older because you don't do your next survey for 10 or 15 years. 414 00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:23,750 So in that way, you know what property could possibly be brought into the district. 415 00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:36,090 You know, it also becomes a little iffy because you have the property that does not want to be part of that historic preservation district. 416 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:51,910 So there's a couple of properties on Martin Street that have always surprised me that have historic value until a large part of Jefferson's history that are not in our historic district. 417 00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:55,430 So that that's always surprised me slightly. 418 00:37:56,310 --> 00:38:05,710 So it would be nice to do a campaign to encourage these people to be willing to be a part 419 00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:08,410 of the historic preservation. 420 00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:16,670 And like Tracy said most of the time, we, you don't deny properties, so we just want to 421 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:20,410 make sure that we continue to preserve our historic districts. 422 00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:21,110 So it's 423 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:24,890 most built. 424 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:34,080 Talked about a number of years ago about doing updating that survey. 425 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:38,960 And last but not least, I was asking specifically what you were referencing. 426 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,260 And I don't think it, I don't think it happened. 427 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:50,020 And I think the last time, Don, you were on the commission when we did our last update. 428 00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:51,660 I think it's right where you left. 429 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,760 We had we had this was done in 20 the guidelines were done in 2015 430 00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:00,700 2015 431 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:01,520 We 432 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,340 had somebody from 433 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:16,880 From DNR come and it was like a multi-session 434 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,360 Multi-session evident when we 435 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:29,300 When we did it send it back forth to the state, but I think we had it done it 436 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:33,100 15 was the next time, so we had a refresh. 437 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,060 I don't know. 438 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,600 But it's been a minute, right? 439 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,260 And so one thing we might want to consider 440 00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:42,380 and we've talked about this before too, 441 00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:46,560 is adopting some cemetery guidelines as well 442 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,940 to include cemetery guidelines in our. 443 00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:57,560 Because we had with Paradise Cemetery, 444 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:05,560 We had a situation with it, you know, they're not in any historic district. 445 00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:10,320 What that is, but Paradise is not, or is no. 446 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,360 No, I think they're both in their own districts. 447 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,400 It's their own districts. 448 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,980 But there was an issue with Paradise. 449 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,080 They wanted to do something or didn't wonder. 450 00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:26,360 There was some preservation that needed to happen because some things were falling apart. 451 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,340 I don't remember the details, but I just remember we didn't, at the time, we realized 452 00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:37,520 we don't have any guidelines for our immersive experiences, and we need some, even in terms 453 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:46,800 of rules like people do in the cleaning, the cleaning, and when you take a pencil, 454 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:55,360 you 455 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,500 We looked into it, and we, um, Madison, of course, they have. 456 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:08,220 They have cemetery guidelines that are separate from their regular guidelines, but then I think each of their 457 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:10,000 cemeteries says are unsaid to guidelines. 458 00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:16,280 But we pulled some really valuable information from there about some things that we wanted to do on a much simpler level. 459 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,620 But it just never. 460 00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:33,020 It never got the same part as really important because the materials that you're using, depending on the stone, whether it's limestone or granite, or slate, I mean that can be do a record thing in a much of something, doesn't know what I'm doing. 461 00:41:33,580 --> 00:41:33,660 Right. 462 00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:34,300 Right. 463 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,180 That idea. 464 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:41,120 Yeah, yeah, so it might be something that we want to consider as we are 465 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,970 And as we as we move forward probably in our next meeting will 466 00:41:55,750 --> 00:42:00,030 I'll come back with maybe some ideas or dates or something like that for 467 00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:01,770 having 468 00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:05,790 Park home and talk to us about about the guidelines 469 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:15,230 maybe getting the grant money. Does not having the survey, you know, within a certain 470 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:18,270 time range does that prevent us from applying to certain grants? 471 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:26,050 It actually does not prevent us from applying for this grant. So there's about 472 00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:35,250 $135 to $135,000 that they give out each year. It's a 60-40 matching. And they 473 00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:44,230 the max amount for each grant is $25,000, and you can apply for multiple projects within 474 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:49,450 a year with each project being a max of $25,000. 475 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:59,210 However, until your survey is within that 10 to 15-year time period, you can't apply for 476 00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:00,210 anything else. 477 00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:07,590 So your first, yes, your first application for grant has to be for a survey. 478 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:07,970 Okay. 479 00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:35,010 But I think even this was done through a grant, having the guidelines printed out 480 00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:43,070 and I think we've been the recipient for five to seven grants over the time period since 481 00:43:43,070 --> 00:43:43,830 the 80s. 482 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:44,530 Anything 483 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,880 else in regards to guidelines? 484 00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,820 Give it a long time for sales. 485 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,680 Okay, so I think last month, you all did discuss a date for the last, 486 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,300 no, not the last weekend, because the last weekend is Halloween. 487 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:12,280 The weekend before that, the 20, October 23rd and 24th. 488 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:12,860 Is that correct? 489 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,580 There's a lot going on that weekend. 490 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,760 I'm still good to stick with that date. 491 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:30,000 We've advertised porch tells with, you know, follow us to, for, you know, more information 492 00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:32,380 to be announced. 493 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,920 So we could definitely change that data if we wanted to. 494 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:43,960 I just wanted to make sure that I did have some people from the board to help with porch 495 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,860 tells on that weekend, because I know there is a lot going on. 496 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:53,300 I think the AgCenter has their Fall Festival, Arcade has their Fall Festival, so there's 497 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,080 a lot going on that weekend. 498 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:59,980 But I think that, you know, from what I saw last year, from what, who bought it? 499 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:29,500 So, I don't, I don't know that, that those two things are, would adversely affect the ticket sales. Because those, presumably your daytime events, right? Arcade is no light because they have a movie that starts that evening and I, and actually I don't think Jackson County, they go until the evening as well because they do their night of light. Is that what it's called? Yeah. 500 00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:35,960 and do like a little light parade with their public safety at the end but I don't 501 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,800 know that the people who attend those are going to be you know a lot of us are 502 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,200 with kids who are trigger treating dressed up in costumes I don't know that 503 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,660 that's the same group that will be bought would be out of tickets for porch 504 00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:50,360 tells so. 505 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,320 And I do have Holly. 506 00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:00,190 Are you going to participate? 507 00:46:00,710 --> 00:46:04,430 I was just telling Joey. I will probably know in a couple of weeks but there's a 508 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:05,470 high chance it might be at. 509 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:10,820 And also I just had a good question. I mean I don't 510 00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:14,100 want to tire people out with the same old stories. I don't have any new 511 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,080 experiences. But he's welcome to use my 512 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,920 forecast. I mean there's you know there's plenty of stories of 513 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:29,960 Jefferson that you know can always be told in any location. We do have I'd 514 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,980 actually rather if your stories were made up. I'd like you to tell me that and make 515 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:36,380 me feel better about it. 516 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,680 No, no, definitely not there. We got a whole pile of true stories. We, last year we 517 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,480 We did one one evening and we had to turn people away. 518 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,620 So I thought we would do, I think we did four tours last year. 519 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,600 I thought we would do three tours per night instead of four tours. 520 00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:05,060 I think I backed up. 521 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,200 It did get backed up. 522 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,700 And I was going to not, I think we had eight locations. 523 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:14,520 I'm going to keep that at least to like six or seven depending on where they are. 524 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,460 If we don't have to go all the way to Dixon, it's not going to make it quite so long. 525 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:25,460 And I have not heard from them if they would want to participate again this year. 526 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,900 I do have the Kohli home, which is 91 Church Street. 527 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,480 Does anybody know anything about that home? 528 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:42,000 I've been pulling a little bit of information, so it's right across from Tommy Vitt and 529 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,780 drop boy. Okay. They painted the house red. Yeah. Please help 530 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:53,060 her lose everything. Possibly SRO maybe. Yes. One of them but I don't know 531 00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:57,220 it's not yet. I don't know. Their last name is DeForest. 532 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,000 So yeah, 533 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,720 so she's I found a little bit of information. I found some owners. I found 534 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:13,060 some dates of when it was sold. Sent that information to her and I have 535 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:19,740 reached out to the historic archives to see if they had any information on that home as 536 00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:24,640 well because I don't know who it's in my file, it actually doesn't have an address 537 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,940 on it. It just says, Coley home, which tells me there's a story there but I don't know 538 00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:37,660 what that story is. So hopefully the archives will have something that we can pull from 539 00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:50,260 from there and then Sarah Mixon on 107 Institute Avenue she participated in in the 540 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:56,620 porch fest for the first time this past May and she was willing to have her 541 00:48:56,620 --> 00:49:00,800 property be a part she does not want to be a storyteller but she still has in 542 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,360 the corner of her property the steps that were part of Martin Institute so I 543 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:11,060 I thought that would be, you know, a good story for that spot would be the, you know, something. 544 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,300 Yeah, because there are lots of Martin Institute stories. 545 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:20,080 I did not know that a Supreme Court justice graduated from the Martin Institute. 546 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,400 I just learned that yesterday. 547 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:33,940 Yeah, so, yeah, so there's always some pretty good stories that are associated with that that, you know, we can tell and exaggerate a little bit as well. 548 00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:57,500 but so I think we've got, you know, and then we can still do, we can still do the museum and I actually thought about maybe instead of having, maybe have Andy tell, tell the story of Crawford Long, but also open the museum up for tours because we had a lot of people who didn't, who wanted to know more about what was in the museum. 549 00:49:57,500 --> 00:50:14,400 I thought maybe I'm going to work with Marina and maybe she can find staff that we can actually open up the entire museum and have tours that people could do while they're waiting or at the end of their walking tour. 550 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:29,720 and we can always do the Calibus. I think Martin did kind of got on the roll toward the end there, so he's probably come up with a lot of other stories that we can add to it, and then even just, you know, a spot on North, 551 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:39,620 North Public Square and then another spot on South Public Square. I'm going to reach out to the owners of Regent's Bank. 552 00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:47,320 we may be able to use their lower level. It's not finished, but we make it do sort of end there 553 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,220 with some type of, you know, dessert or cider kind of like we did at Larissa's. 554 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,860 Anything about 555 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,000 that? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be stories from some 556 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:13,640 where, somebody. If not, we could find a theater story to tell there. But I'm sure we could, 557 00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:26,290 We make it even go in, at least the main floor, if they have a, you know, depending on if it's been sold by them or not. 558 00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:38,150 They have not, I think they may have had a death in the family so he had recently and I don't, he hasn't reached out to me and I've sent a couple of emails. 559 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:39,030 So 560 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:57,630 if there's anybody, you know, of course, please send them away, anybody that you can think of, especially right in that area, you know, we can do the courthouse, there's plenty of stories to go along with that. 561 00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:07,670 We still have the which and the square. I don't think we told that story last year that's barely, especially buried on the square. 562 00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:23,610 So there's, there's a good bit of stories that we can, you know, I said tell in different locations and if we don't have to get people all the way to Dixon, I think that's going to, yeah, I think that's going to help a little bit. 563 00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:30,030 So yeah, so let me know about the house that's found on the corner next to mine. 564 00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:36,090 I'll know because he's got that brick building and I know that whole street used to be like 565 00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:36,510 a pecan. 566 00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:44,890 I think it was and I think it was a pecan grove that was a part of Martin Institute from what 567 00:52:44,890 --> 00:52:45,610 I understand. 568 00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:48,310 So good stories might 569 00:52:50,580 --> 00:52:51,580 be up for it. 570 00:52:53,100 --> 00:53:00,150 And then I learned a good bit about the where the foundation 571 00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:00,850 is located. 572 00:53:01,270 --> 00:53:03,310 I kind of got sucked into that yesterday 573 00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:07,490 and read a good bit of history on that building, too. 574 00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:12,710 So it's kind of interesting that that's something 575 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:15,630 that Al Westmoreland can get involved with because he's 576 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:18,490 on that foundation and he would tell some great stories 577 00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:29,930 I'll reach out to him again, if anybody knows him, you can kind of encourage him a little 578 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:30,170 bit. 579 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:35,450 I think he was, he was planning on telling a story last year than I think he got sick 580 00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:40,970 and so we had to, had to back out close to the end, so we're still good with those dates. 581 00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:43,590 You all don't want to change anything? 582 00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:47,810 Friday. Okay. 583 00:53:49,830 --> 00:53:50,390 Okay. 584 00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:57,020 A good one. A good concert. 585 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,620 Yes, that's something a good one. I'll 586 00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:04,440 tell you a story about Bob Sieger after the meeting. 587 00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:20,170 I think Jefferson out of town and 588 00:54:20,170 --> 00:54:22,070 And then it's all torches off that weekend. 589 00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:24,050 Oh, well, I heard the stars align, right? 590 00:54:24,350 --> 00:54:24,810 I mean, just right. 591 00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:25,730 Yeah, for sure. 592 00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:27,430 I think that's how we landed on that weekend. 593 00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:28,070 Yeah. 594 00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:30,270 And if there's some reason, I mean, you know, 595 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:33,110 if she won't be there to go in, I can ask Gina. 596 00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:37,510 I just, I do need storytellers and tour guides. 597 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:40,390 So I'll be a tour guide. 598 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:41,210 Yeah. 599 00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:43,630 I'm doing that, not very good in the story. 600 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,360 All right. 601 00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:51,950 That's all I have for porch tones. 602 00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:58,590 and the historic preservation conference is everybody registered, gotten their 603 00:54:58,590 --> 00:55:02,210 confirmation that wanted to go. 604 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:05,840 And Krista. 605 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,560 Krista Scott, where is it, Mr? 606 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,340 Do this five minutes later. 607 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,880 Yeah, I know, I'm supposed to know that. 608 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:22,180 It's a cool stuff, yeah, I went to a fantastic ghost walk into cater a couple of 609 00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:23,640 years ago. It was amazing. 610 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:31,020 It was about two and a half hours long, but we ended in the cemetery, it was really good. 611 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:37,540 You know, they have a kind of a porch fest kind of thing on a regular basis, and they call 612 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,280 kind of a cheese jam all the time. 613 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,080 Yeah, they get a lot of cool stuff. 614 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,520 Yeah, I think I'll be happy for you. 615 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,520 But you also have the night down there? 616 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,180 Yeah, yeah. 617 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,940 Did you all figure out my basic training, whatever you do? 618 00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:05,600 So you can do an online class that's just, you know, by yourself. 619 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:14,160 Everybody, I know Dawn and Bill and Holly, you went to Gainesville last year. 620 00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:18,120 So three of y'all did pretty much that basic HPC class. 621 00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:24,060 If there's anybody else that hasn't had that class, it was really, I mean, it's really good if you want to refresher. 622 00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:29,180 And you went to the year before, I think, didn't you? 623 00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:30,100 Where was that? 624 00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:31,760 I went to Thomasville. 625 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,200 That's right, yes. 626 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,840 So, you know, if there's anybody else who wants to do it, 627 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,940 we can do like a Zoom class. 628 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:43,980 But it is an eight hour class. 629 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,560 So, I can either sign you up for just an online version 630 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,700 or we can do like a Zoom class for that. 631 00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:01,280 It does not have a basic HPC training. 632 00:57:01,660 --> 00:57:01,780 Nope. 633 00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:15,270 There's different training classes, but there's not that basic level training class to 634 00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:23,190 kind of get you introduced into what HPCs are their purpose. 635 00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:23,410 Yes. 636 00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:33,000 In the online class, those eight hours are broken up in the sessions, right? Like 637 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:39,120 it's not a sit there for eight hours straight. No, we sit there for eight hours at Gainesville. 638 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:46,220 No, I need that online. Oh, and online. The one that's online, I think you can break it 639 00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:53,020 up and take it, yeah, yeah. No, we sit in eight hours and very uncomfortable triggers. 640 00:57:53,020 --> 00:58:00,200 We did that. It's shot to a lawn. Yeah. Before that too. Yeah, it makes 641 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:08,140 sure. Y'all email me. Okay, I'll do it. It makes for a long day. I think I did it in a 642 00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:13,200 year. Uh-huh. And that's all I have. 643 00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:17,090 Anything else for the get-of-the-order? 644 00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:20,830 I'll entertain a 645 00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:28,170 Yes, 646 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:36,500 please, if you don't mind, give me your, um, oaths, your son oaths.