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[0:59] So the mayor is here to administer our oath. I hope everyone have the opportunity to read the ethics ordinance as well.
[1:20] Good evening Madam Chair and board members. Thank you so much for having me. I am going to present your oath. I will start. You'll each raise your right hand. Repeat your name. And then I will say the oath after you. So we'll start with Mr. Block.
[1:38] I can go over on the room, so please raise your right hand and state your name.
[1:42] Jelly Blackstock.
[1:46] Thank you.
[1:47] Holly McChain.
[1:49] Tracy Blanca.
[1:50] That's Jared.
[1:51] Thank you very much.
[1:53] I do hereby solemnly swear and affirm that I will faithfully and impartially execute my term
[1:58] of office on the Jefferson Historic Preservation Commission and will, to the best of my ability,
[2:04] support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the Constitution and laws of the State of Georgia,
[2:11] the charter for the City of Jefferson, ordinances, regulations of the City of Jefferson, and other governing documents.
[2:18] I further solemnly swear and affirm, as follows, I am not the holder of any unaccounted for public money,
[2:24] do the State of Georgia, or any political subdivision or authority thereof, and am not the holder of any office of trust
[2:32] under the government of the United States, the State of Georgia, or any other state, or any foreign state by which the laws of the State of Georgia, I am prohibited from holding.
[2:42] I have received a copy of and will abide by the Code of Ethics of the City of Jefferson, adopted in Division 2, Code of Ethics, Article 3, officers and employees of Chapter 2 Administration of the Jefferson Code of Ordnances.
[2:56] I do have, I do not have any conflicts of interest and will not knowingly engage in any
[3:03] matter that creates a conflict with the service, with my service to the city of Jefferson
[3:09] without disclosing said conflict.
[3:11] I am qualified and willingly hold said office to which I am appointed by the governing body.
[3:19] Thank you.
[3:55] I'll take a look at the end of these.
[4:00] Thank you, Mayor.
[4:01] We appreciate it.
[4:02] Okay,
[4:06] maybe we went along to the approval of our previous minutes.
[4:10] Did you all have an opportunity to review the July minutes?
[4:14] And those July minutes are the ones that were online and not what was in your packet.
[4:19] I apologize that your packet that was built to use a little wonky compared to our correct one online.
[4:27] And thank you for forwarding that to us to your review. I appreciate it.
[4:33] Okay, I would entertain a motion to prove the minutes.
[4:41] It's July 2nd.
[4:42] Second.
[4:43] My bill.
[4:43] Any discussion?
[4:46] All in favor?
[4:50] All business, election of officers.
[4:54] Yes, I think that was on your last meeting that I missed.
[4:57] And you all chose to postpone that until you had a full board.
[5:02] And so, now you do.
[5:03] Now we do.
[5:05] So, um, do we have any nominations from the from the floor?
[5:11] I guess we'll start with, we'll start.
[5:15] We need a chair.
[5:17] Yes, then a co-chair and then Lynn served as the secretary
[5:21] and did a fantastic job.
[5:24] So, if anybody would like to take that on.
[5:26] That would be great.
[5:27] So, do we have any nominations from the floor for chair?
[5:31] I'd
[5:34] be old.
[5:37] Well, I don't think he ought to use that term, but I don't think so.
[5:42] Do we have anybody else who was interested in serving as chair?
[5:49] Not to do the wonderful job.
[5:53] Sputter, are you up, Tracy?
[5:55] Oh, okay.
[5:56] Are you interested in getting someone in?
[5:58] I think it's my time.
[5:59] I didn't ask that question.
[6:00] Sherry, don't ask that question.
[6:03] I think the silence in the rain would indicate.
[6:06] I am willing to continue.
[6:08] continue to service chair for another term and then perhaps we'll do some training and
[6:14] grooming to pass that baton in the future.
[6:19] So shall we just select a slate and then
[6:22] vote for the slate? Would you like to elect per position? Whatever is your pleasure, ma'am?
[6:31] Then why don't we just select a slate? How about that? A vice chair? I know Chris
[6:36] just to express a willingness to serve as vice chair.
[6:41] Is anybody else interested in that position,
[6:45] would they like to nominate, would you like to nominate
[6:49] yourself or someone else?
[6:50] Or do we just punish Christopher Bingham?
[6:54] I was just supposed to, I think Christopher.
[6:56] She did a great job when you were, when you were absent.
[6:59] She did a good job when you were absent.
[7:02] Here we are, okay, great.
[7:03] Then, easy enough.
[7:05] Then maybe my law into secretary.
[7:09] So clearly we can't just make the same person stay in that role.
[7:13] So if somebody willing to serve as our secretary.
[7:21] I would think the secretary would be somebody that brawled up in with them.
[7:25] Right.
[7:26] That wasn't right.
[7:27] Oh, that.
[7:32] What are the duties of secretary responsibilities?
[7:35] you take you take the minutes of every every meeting and keep the records make
[7:44] sure that the chair has properly signed off on any COAs and communicate with
[7:51] Michelle prepare the well actually doesn't prepare the agenda anymore right
[7:55] no Lynn usually did did an agenda he had an agenda template that he would go
[8:01] ahead and forward so if there was anything any old business or anything he sent
[8:05] it on to planning to make sure that they got that on the agenda correctly.
[8:10] Yes, and typically reviews that agenda, what Tracy gets that, you know, sent back out
[8:18] to make sure we have everything correct.
[8:21] It's hard to say, Lynn's role is really kind of surpassed the secretary role and so we
[8:30] I also know that he's not replaceable, but the Secretary role is, uh, it's-
[8:35] Well, you have to have three iPads in front of you. I think it was.
[8:38] Yes. Three iPads at all times.
[8:44] And ask
[8:48] many, many questions of every applicant.
[8:54] I'll, I think Joey, look at him. I think he's got all those questions just right there.
[8:58] It's a way to learn, Joey.
[9:00] Well, I did jump earlier. I had my list of questions written.
[9:04] So there you are. I'll be right.
[9:06] Really some great on the job track.
[9:08] I don't want to dump that on you on a very first meeting.
[9:12] But I will say having observed you in your leadership skills with all of your organizations,
[9:16] I know that you probably can do this in your sleep.
[9:19] But I would highly support you, but I also don't want to pick up spot eater.
[9:23] I was going to say there was silence in the room. I'm willing to do it.
[9:27] But I also don't want to be raising my hand and everything on the first meeting too.
[9:34] So I would like to know an angel in the black stock.
[9:37] I was just going to go ahead and say, okay.
[9:40] All right. Excellent.
[9:42] So it seems that we have slicked.
[9:45] So that would be Tracy Blanco's chair, Christa Martin as vice chair and Joey Blackstock as secretary.
[9:53] We
[9:58] have a, well, can you please amend your motion to present the entire slate?
[10:03] Yes, I would like to present a motion to approve the slate as described by our current chair.
[10:10] To keep the current chair in her position and our current co-chair in her position
[10:16] and then add Joey Blackstock as secretary to replace the slate.
[10:24] Any further discussion?
[10:26] Strong.
[10:27] Strong.
[10:29] All in favor?
[10:39] You were born to serve in that spot.
[10:43] There's a reason you put them there, wasn't it?
[10:46] I was just setting them up, setting them up.
[10:49] Okay, we're moving on.
[10:53] Are, should we have to get a appropriateness?
[10:57] No, no applicant.
[10:59] No applicant, I could try calling.
[11:03] Is this something that you all would like to review
[11:07] in his absence?
[11:08] Do you feel like you have any questions or?
[11:10] I do have a question.
[11:11] Okay.
[11:12] It's appropriate to ask.
[11:13] So this one was a little unusual given the fact
[11:15] that it's a commercial property.
[11:17] and so some of the things items that were listed on here obviously did not fall
[11:21] under that. So am I clear in thinking that only thing that we would be looking at
[11:26] would be the paint at the exterior building? I'm not sure that we consider paint
[11:30] options anymore. So that's not part of it. So mainly because of the porch
[11:37] railing. So even as commercial we still have, it's still is in the historic distance.
[11:43] So, all right, but I guess if I was looking at the notes, it wasn't very clear on exactly
[11:50] what parts of the request were exempt from the commission's approval.
[11:58] So, that's why I'm asking.
[12:07] So, it says under page 3 under B. It says residential guidelines address changes,
[12:16] which I kind of felt like that fell under, but I could be wrong, and said, however, this is not a residential property, but it's an office. Therefore, the residential guidelines do not apply.
[12:27] And wait, there aren't the civic guidelines in respect. So we're just approving it based on the aesthetic on what the committee feels is appropriate.
[12:36] Okay.
[12:37] Correct.
[12:38] Because there aren't, I guess, porches aren't a typical structure for commercial property,
[12:43] so there aren't the not less, don't specifically address that.
[12:48] So that's something we need to consider for future guideline adjustment.
[12:52] Perhaps.
[12:53] It's been a while since we've reviewed our guidelines anyway.
[12:58] It has been a while, and we can get into that a little bit deeper later on in the meeting.
[13:05] But there's a couple of things that we need to take a look at to continue our certified
[13:14] local government's compliance.
[13:19] So I guess the first question is, do you all feel comfortable making a decision on
[13:26] this application without the applicant president or do you want Michelle to call him or do
[13:33] We want to table it until he is to re I'm not sure that we can table it.
[13:39] I believe that if we don't make a decision, it automatically is approved, although he
[13:44] did not attend the meeting, even though he did not attend the meeting.
[13:48] Correct.
[13:48] What would be the reason because I thought we had a couple of meetings.
[13:54] I think the date on the,
[14:00] on the announcement that yeah, yeah,
[14:09] I think, I think, I think
[14:11] I think it's a certain number of days, but before we could meet again,
[14:15] I mean, unless we want to do a special called meeting before we met at our next one,
[14:20] the date that time limit would be up.
[14:26] So I guess the next question being then, do we have specific questions that we need to ask
[14:32] of the property owner before we make a decision?
[14:36] If so, try to get him on the phone.
[14:39] And then, of course, the other option is, we just deny it if you're not comfortable.
[14:48] That's always an option.
[14:53] If you have questions, do you want to discuss those first so we have a list of-
[15:06] There's a photo on page 23 of page 23, I think it is, or 8, or I don't know. There's multiple page numbers.
[15:41] I
[15:44] don't think that's correct.
[15:49] We don't have to make a decision.
[15:50] We don't have to do anything about that.
[15:52] We just determine its historic purpose.
[15:58] And I guess you just kind of have to figure out
[16:00] if that aesthetic is going to be OK,
[16:02] because it's going to set a precedent.
[16:05] Right.
[16:08] And it is a very modern, it's a very modern,
[16:10] industrial type that's
[16:17] not something common for that time.
[16:19] No, it's not.
[16:20] And at the same time, I don't want to run off
[16:22] local businesses or make their job even harder.
[16:25] but however, however, it's just a little bit of a concern.
[16:31] What do you think would be more appropriate
[16:34] and in terms of the skin,
[16:39] not metal and is that the,
[16:41] and wood means,
[16:42] or what would be different?
[16:45] What would be more appropriate for that time?
[16:47] It was all metal.
[16:49] Wouldn't that look better?
[16:50] One of the other, maybe.
[16:52] One of the other all metal are all with well. What is the data construction of this property do we know?
[17:25] I'm looking to see if it's on keep public.
[17:29] I remember looking I mean as you notice in all the questions justifying the request for the certificate. There was no
[17:41] information provided? Yeah.
[17:50] Well certainly not in 1940's appropriate. It doesn't
[17:54] seem like somebody who's trying to comply.
[18:21] I mean in the fact of the matter
[18:23] it's um typically in these situations we have an applicant present that we
[18:28] can discuss options and yeah I thought that we had to rule that if they weren't
[18:33] here it was automatically denied and then they can reapply. Is it because we
[18:45] We can deny we can still deny but yeah, he didn't apply until August 17th
[18:58] correct we table it does it automatically fast get okay is it on not we don't
[19:06] vote on it 60 days 60 days so that was quick Google image
[19:16] searches and it doesn't match again I don't want to make a big deal about it but
[19:21] it's just like it's more of the fact that we don't have a guideline regarding it
[19:25] I'm worried that I mean the only one thing I don't know the height it's probably has
[19:32] to be up to code for today's specs but if it were a residential property with
[19:38] residential ease it'd be a lot simpler because there is porch guide line on that and
[19:42] it says you can't use metal decorations of any kind.
[19:46] Right, I
[19:48] mean, so that's kind of like the style.
[19:51] It's a great way for fun, the way.
[19:53] And this is sort, this is your style
[19:55] of the, even in the commercial districts
[20:02] of the properties that have porches
[20:06] in the store districts now.
[20:08] This is very inconsistent.
[20:12] Yeah, this is why I think
[20:16] this is the first time
[20:18] We just have to agree, you know, we're going to, like, just support it, just so we know that that's, well, it's, it's not comfortable to do an outright denial, but when you don't have the opportunity to have a, a discussion with the applicant, it doesn't leave us a lot of options when it clearly isn't compliant.
[20:40] Do we want to call them so we can at least say we try?
[20:45] I think that's okay with that but at the same time there is their obligation
[20:49] to be present or to send a representative on their behalf.
[20:53] I feel like I'm a school chasing down a child to give them their lunch.
[20:58] They've all dropped off.
[21:04] Well I think in this situation when we don't have clear guidelines
[21:07] and we don't have any guidance from the applicant
[21:10] and we don't really know other than a tiny little Xerox,
[21:13] what that actually looks like,
[21:15] and what materials are they going to swap it out?
[21:17] I would be not surprised that the finding installations
[21:21] don't really look like it, right?
[21:24] So I want to see it in person or something,
[21:27] or a little bit more.
[21:29] And then I think we ought to be consistent.
[21:32] And if this was, you know, this was a house,
[21:35] and now it's office. Do we defer to that residential guidelines because people are driving
[21:43] by it over and over. Right. Right. It should look like a house if it's a house. Right.
[21:51] Because it is a house. And it's reasonable to say that we would like to shift this back to the guidelines that we already have set for homes and things that look like homes.
[22:04] Even if you're not looking at it as a home, that's not it.
[22:08] Yes.
[22:09] And also I just think that not showing up and not filling out
[22:12] and not providing any things is not something
[22:17] that I would like to see people with me.
[22:20] I want to set a precedent and people on, yes,
[22:22] so that's how you're trying to ask whatever.
[22:25] And if you don't come out, it's how you move the trajectory
[22:30] to less and less, you know, you could say, this was denied only because you weren't here
[22:36] to support and we weren't able to discuss it with you. We're happy to hear it again.
[22:44] You know, I mean, it makes me happy. It needs to be like a home, a home, right?
[22:51] Because the, the porch is not, it's not appropriate to the, to the top period.
[23:00] Yeah, they had ornamental iron railings in the 40s.
[23:09] Yeah.
[23:09] That would also be a decorative white iron would have been fine too.
[23:16] And this is going to help us.
[23:19] This particular one doesn't look like anything before.
[23:30] This is a tough one.
[23:31] But do we get a confirmation on how much, like, what the deadline is before it is?
[23:39] Yes, as to whether we have the kind of look forward on that.
[23:48] I mean, if we are...
[23:50] If the thought is that the appropriate response is denial, and we're tabling it only because he's not here to defend it,
[24:02] then perhaps the best response is, we deny it and provides an explanation and give him
[24:10] the opportunity to re-apply.
[24:14] Or deny it because we don't have enough information.
[24:18] Without enough information.
[24:21] And if you want to come back to explain it.
[24:24] Yeah.
[24:25] Good possibility.
[24:26] Well, okay.
[24:27] Yeah.
[24:27] Maybe with some changes.
[24:29] I feel more comfortable with kind of trying to hold the mind on if you're going to go to
[24:36] this level, please show up because if we have questions, we really like to get things.
[24:41] Well, that's right.
[24:42] And the fact that it is a very incomplete application doesn't help either.
[24:47] I don't even see where they talk about the railing on the very front pages.
[24:51] Talks about paint.
[24:52] So where's the picture of it?
[24:53] Well, we don't hear anything.
[24:54] Yes.
[24:55] There's no having to hold the paint anyway.
[24:56] So this railing is already up?
[25:00] No, I don't think that's a good way to do it.
[25:05] Yeah, and AI isn't always put up pictures of the pain
[25:10] that you're going to do.
[25:15] So when it says painted wall sign on rear building,
[25:20] we don't have to lay down on the side.
[25:22] So that is actually incorrect.
[25:25] That was just not changed on that front page, that front cover page.
[25:31] If you'll see that says, I've got my pages all.
[25:37] 26-0.1.
[25:40] And that was the one that came from Revival Hall.
[25:43] This is actually 26-02.
[25:55] Michelle and Joey will be playing closer attention to our packets.
[26:08] I'm getting clarification on our deadline.
[26:13] I've been asked to hang on a sec.
[26:16] Okay.
[26:17] So
[26:44] we would send back something that said,
[26:46] deny slash insufficient information.
[26:50] Is that harassing?
[26:52] Or advocate my president?
[26:56] That is what I'm receiving the information I'm receiving is to deny if that's what the board
[27:05] chooses to do and the applicant can reapply.
[27:08] If it
[27:15] is a reading, it just says that, you know, under the Georgia Historic Preservation Act,
[27:18] that governs all of the commissions.
[27:20] The Jefferson HVCS-45, this is the state's two-year approval projected
[27:25] after spending could be filed.
[27:27] And if they kill the act within that 45-day window,
[27:29] the application is considered approved.
[27:32] So not a good idea to table it.
[27:34] Right.
[27:35] But so our audit...
[27:36] Yes, that's right.
[27:39] So would somebody like to make a motion in that regard?
[28:20] I'm sorry.
[28:21] Make motion that we've been on this commission that we have ever outright denied one.
[28:50] Yeah, just don't put it in the mortar
[28:56] I think that's right. I don't think under any circumstances we would have approved what they've submitted that there could have been a
[29:03] Conversation about some modifications that it could have been made to make it to an agreement. But we can't come to
[29:08] Would it have been appropriate to reach out to this person before the meeting and just been like so if you had let's say I want to know why are we doing our instead of wood?
[29:22] Would it have been appropriate to ask that question or would it be
[29:26] better to keep that in this formal. For my information.
[29:30] That's what this forum is for, so it's a public conversation.
[29:34] Correct.
[29:36] It has to sit down meeting with the planning and development, so
[29:41] a lot of those questions can be worked through during that meeting.
[29:46] Okay.
[29:47] Theoretically, however, that, you know, he's meeting with Jerry. Jerry's not,
[29:52] Jerry's not the sort of preservation commission, so he's not,
[29:55] but he does know the ordinance, he does know the guidelines.
[30:00] But he's not getting into the nitty-gritty of every. We're thinking of different questions. Once he's written it up and submitted it, then the next conversation is here.
[30:11] And it can't come in while we're talking about it, we changed it. We've got this here. As a public hearing, it's more transparent to have those discussions in this meeting.
[30:26] Now you can certainly drive by, take a look at that space, get out, hold the picture up,
[30:34] do your own research on when that was built, what would be appropriate, and have that
[30:38] information here at that meeting.
[30:43] But is there any kind of paperwork or guidelines for him to build this, maybe even if he does
[30:50] or wouldn't when he could possibly build a one out of wood, not particularly unique to
[30:55] that period either.
[30:58] There needs some kind of guideline that they know that they should
[31:02] have to meet to do this way. I think that's where we get into the discussion of updating
[31:10] our guidelines, especially Joey had kind of mentioned before the meeting. And then it's been
[31:16] discussed during this conversation on the COA, what do you do when you have a home,
[31:24] have a building that was built for residential purposes, and it is now O and I, or a commercial
[31:31] building, which guidelines do you follow? Do you follow residential? Do you follow the
[31:36] commercial guidelines? And so taking that into consideration, I think there are some, some
[31:43] on updates that we may want to want to make as we move forward and I think those are as long as we don't lessen any guidelines that the state has put in place, we can make those choices as a board to preserve our historic districts.
[32:04] So.
[32:05] Right.
[32:06] I mean, as a well put, and I think it, I mean, I lean towards, if it, we're historic,
[32:11] so we're looking to the original construction.
[32:16] If he had come with this and said, I want to put him in a glass door, and I think that
[32:21] had come up before, you know, it had been pretty clear that, you know, that's not, that's
[32:26] kind of a look weird.
[32:27] Right.
[32:28] And then we have to assume that people are not driving around with the knowledge of what
[32:50] I just wanted to see how long I can make this agenda and how many pieces of paper I could add to it.
[33:02] But after, so our bylaws, we're taking a look at that across all of our boards with the
[33:07] city and our city attorney had created just sort of a template for bylaws.
[33:18] And so I'm including it on all of my boards, but really, HVC doesn't need bylaws because
[33:25] because everything is addressed in the Laney Spanagement Code.
[33:28] So we don't even have to worry about moving forward with any by-laws.
[33:33] So just ignore the by-laws section.
[33:35] And then the other part is those guidelines, so it gets me a little bit into the certified
[33:43] local government.
[33:45] That is something that Jefferson has been since, I believe it was 1986, I believe, was when
[33:52] we become a certified local government, and that is a partnership between us, the National
[34:00] Historic Trust and the State Historic Preservation.
[34:05] With those, there's certain things that we have to, we have to turn in resumes for our board.
[34:13] We have not done so in several years, so I'll be sending out a resume form for everybody
[34:21] on the board to fill out and then we will send in our ordnance and then we'll go ahead
[34:33] and send in these guidelines and then we will work with Sandra Hall who is with the
[34:39] Department of Community Affairs, she's the Certified Local Government Coordinator and
[34:45] And maybe have her come in and do maybe a class or maybe even more like a retreat so
[34:52] we can look through these guidelines and really talk about what needs to be updated, what
[34:58] needs to be changed, what needs to be looked at, and we can move forward with getting new
[35:04] guidelines in place.
[35:07] The next part of that is then getting a survey done.
[35:11] And that's they look to have those done on our historic districts every 10 to 15 years.
[35:18] It's been a little longer than that since we've had hours done.
[35:23] And so we're I'm working to get the cost of that.
[35:29] It may not be something that we can do next year but there are once we do get all of our board
[35:36] resumes in and our guidelines and ordinances in.
[35:39] And we would be able to apply for a grant, which could be up to $25,000 to help us with that survey.
[35:49] What kind of survey?
[35:51] Survey of all of the property in the historic district.
[35:55] So, survey, survey individual homeowners?
[36:00] So, no, you just, you really, it's almost every physical, you pretty much stand on the,
[36:07] They have some very interesting software and new tools that they use.
[36:15] There's a lot of universities that have students go out and do this as part of a learning program.
[36:22] But they pretty much, anything they can get from standing on the sidewalk, you get a photo, you kind of pull up.
[36:30] Yep, it's an inventory pull-up key public and try to get your, you know, as close to your square footage if there's any additions, additional buildings on the property, that kind of thing.
[36:45] And there's, we have files on every single piece of property that is in our historic district plus some because when it was originally done, when the surveys were originally done, they pretty much,
[37:00] You're looking at surveying anything that's 40 years older, older.
[37:07] It can't be part of the historic district until it's 50 years old, but you go ahead and do that 40,
[37:14] anything 40 and older because you don't do your next survey for 10 or 15 years.
[37:19] So in that way, you know what property could possibly be brought into the district.
[37:25] You know, it also becomes a little iffy because you have the property that does not want to be part of that historic preservation district.
[37:36] So there's a couple of properties on Martin Street that have always surprised me that have historic value until a large part of Jefferson's history that are not in our historic district.
[37:52] So that that's always surprised me slightly.
[37:56] So it would be nice to do a campaign to encourage these people to be willing to be a part
[38:06] of the historic preservation.
[38:09] And like Tracy said most of the time, we, you don't deny properties, so we just want to
[38:16] make sure that we continue to preserve our historic districts.
[38:20] So it's
[38:24] most built.
[38:27] Talked about a number of years ago about doing updating that survey.
[38:34] And last but not least, I was asking specifically what you were referencing.
[38:39] And I don't think it, I don't think it happened.
[38:41] And I think the last time, Don, you were on the commission when we did our last update.
[38:50] I think it's right where you left.
[38:53] We had we had this was done in 20 the guidelines were done in 2015
[39:00] 2015
[39:00] We
[39:08] had somebody from
[39:12] From DNR come and it was like a multi-session
[39:18] Multi-session evident when we
[39:22] When we did it send it back forth to the state, but I think we had it done it
[39:30] 15 was the next time, so we had a refresh.
[39:34] I don't know.
[39:35] But it's been a minute, right?
[39:38] And so one thing we might want to consider
[39:40] and we've talked about this before too,
[39:43] is adopting some cemetery guidelines as well
[39:46] to include cemetery guidelines in our.
[39:52] Because we had with Paradise Cemetery,
[39:57] We had a situation with it, you know, they're not in any historic district.
[40:06] What that is, but Paradise is not, or is no.
[40:10] No, I think they're both in their own districts.
[40:13] It's their own districts.
[40:15] But there was an issue with Paradise.
[40:20] They wanted to do something or didn't wonder.
[40:22] There was some preservation that needed to happen because some things were falling apart.
[40:26] I don't remember the details, but I just remember we didn't, at the time, we realized
[40:32] we don't have any guidelines for our immersive experiences, and we need some, even in terms
[40:37] of rules like people do in the cleaning, the cleaning, and when you take a pencil,
[40:49] you
[40:55] We looked into it, and we, um, Madison, of course, they have.
[41:01] They have cemetery guidelines that are separate from their regular guidelines, but then I think each of their
[41:08] cemeteries says are unsaid to guidelines.
[41:10] But we pulled some really valuable information from there about some things that we wanted to do on a much simpler level.
[41:16] But it just never.
[41:17] It never got the same part as really important because the materials that you're using, depending on the stone, whether it's limestone or granite, or slate, I mean that can be do a record thing in a much of something, doesn't know what I'm doing.
[41:33] Right.
[41:34] Right.
[41:35] That idea.
[41:36] Yeah, yeah, so it might be something that we want to consider as we are
[41:47] And as we as we move forward probably in our next meeting will
[41:55] I'll come back with maybe some ideas or dates or something like that for
[42:01] having
[42:02] Park home and talk to us about about the guidelines
[42:09] maybe getting the grant money. Does not having the survey, you know, within a certain
[42:15] time range does that prevent us from applying to certain grants?
[42:19] It actually does not prevent us from applying for this grant. So there's about
[42:27] $135 to $135,000 that they give out each year. It's a 60-40 matching. And they
[42:35] the max amount for each grant is $25,000, and you can apply for multiple projects within
[42:44] a year with each project being a max of $25,000.
[42:50] However, until your survey is within that 10 to 15-year time period, you can't apply for
[42:59] anything else.
[43:00] So your first, yes, your first application for grant has to be for a survey.
[43:07] Okay.
[43:25] But I think even this was done through a grant, having the guidelines printed out
[43:35] and I think we've been the recipient for five to seven grants over the time period since
[43:43] the 80s.
[43:43] Anything
[43:48] else in regards to guidelines?
[43:57] Give it a long time for sales.
[43:59] Okay, so I think last month, you all did discuss a date for the last,
[44:05] no, not the last weekend, because the last weekend is Halloween.
[44:08] The weekend before that, the 20, October 23rd and 24th.
[44:12] Is that correct?
[44:15] There's a lot going on that weekend.
[44:17] I'm still good to stick with that date.
[44:22] We've advertised porch tells with, you know, follow us to, for, you know, more information
[44:31] to be announced.
[44:32] So we could definitely change that data if we wanted to.
[44:36] I just wanted to make sure that I did have some people from the board to help with porch
[44:43] tells on that weekend, because I know there is a lot going on.
[44:46] I think the AgCenter has their Fall Festival, Arcade has their Fall Festival, so there's
[44:53] a lot going on that weekend.
[44:55] But I think that, you know, from what I saw last year, from what, who bought it?
[45:04] So, I don't, I don't know that, that those two things are, would adversely affect the ticket sales. Because those, presumably your daytime events, right? Arcade is no light because they have a movie that starts that evening and I, and actually I don't think Jackson County, they go until the evening as well because they do their night of light. Is that what it's called? Yeah.
[45:30] and do like a little light parade with their public safety at the end but I don't
[45:35] know that the people who attend those are going to be you know a lot of us are
[45:41] with kids who are trigger treating dressed up in costumes I don't know that
[45:45] that's the same group that will be bought would be out of tickets for porch
[45:49] tells so.
[45:52] And I do have Holly.
[45:59] Are you going to participate?
[46:00] I was just telling Joey. I will probably know in a couple of weeks but there's a
[46:04] high chance it might be at.
[46:09] And also I just had a good question. I mean I don't
[46:10] want to tire people out with the same old stories. I don't have any new
[46:14] experiences. But he's welcome to use my
[46:18] forecast. I mean there's you know there's plenty of stories of
[46:21] Jefferson that you know can always be told in any location. We do have I'd
[46:29] actually rather if your stories were made up. I'd like you to tell me that and make
[46:34] me feel better about it.
[46:41] No, no, definitely not there. We got a whole pile of true stories. We, last year we
[46:46] We did one one evening and we had to turn people away.
[46:52] So I thought we would do, I think we did four tours last year.
[46:59] I thought we would do three tours per night instead of four tours.
[47:03] I think I backed up.
[47:05] It did get backed up.
[47:06] And I was going to not, I think we had eight locations.
[47:09] I'm going to keep that at least to like six or seven depending on where they are.
[47:14] If we don't have to go all the way to Dixon, it's not going to make it quite so long.
[47:19] And I have not heard from them if they would want to participate again this year.
[47:25] I do have the Kohli home, which is 91 Church Street.
[47:30] Does anybody know anything about that home?
[47:34] I've been pulling a little bit of information, so it's right across from Tommy Vitt and
[47:42] drop boy. Okay. They painted the house red. Yeah. Please help
[47:47] her lose everything. Possibly SRO maybe. Yes. One of them but I don't know
[47:53] it's not yet. I don't know. Their last name is DeForest.
[48:01] So yeah,
[48:02] so she's I found a little bit of information. I found some owners. I found
[48:06] some dates of when it was sold. Sent that information to her and I have
[48:13] reached out to the historic archives to see if they had any information on that home as
[48:19] well because I don't know who it's in my file, it actually doesn't have an address
[48:24] on it. It just says, Coley home, which tells me there's a story there but I don't know
[48:29] what that story is. So hopefully the archives will have something that we can pull from
[48:37] from there and then Sarah Mixon on 107 Institute Avenue she participated in in the
[48:50] porch fest for the first time this past May and she was willing to have her
[48:56] property be a part she does not want to be a storyteller but she still has in
[49:00] the corner of her property the steps that were part of Martin Institute so I
[49:05] I thought that would be, you know, a good story for that spot would be the, you know, something.
[49:11] Yeah, because there are lots of Martin Institute stories.
[49:13] I did not know that a Supreme Court justice graduated from the Martin Institute.
[49:20] I just learned that yesterday.
[49:23] Yeah, so, yeah, so there's always some pretty good stories that are associated with that that, you know, we can tell and exaggerate a little bit as well.
[49:33] but so I think we've got, you know, and then we can still do, we can still do the museum and I actually thought about maybe instead of having, maybe have Andy tell, tell the story of Crawford Long, but also open the museum up for tours because we had a lot of people who didn't, who wanted to know more about what was in the museum.
[49:57] I thought maybe I'm going to work with Marina and maybe she can find staff that we can actually open up the entire museum and have tours that people could do while they're waiting or at the end of their walking tour.
[50:14] and we can always do the Calibus. I think Martin did kind of got on the roll toward the end there, so he's probably come up with a lot of other stories that we can add to it, and then even just, you know, a spot on North,
[50:31] North Public Square and then another spot on South Public Square. I'm going to reach out to the owners of Regent's Bank.
[50:39] we may be able to use their lower level. It's not finished, but we make it do sort of end there
[50:47] with some type of, you know, dessert or cider kind of like we did at Larissa's.
[50:54] Anything about
[51:02] that? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be stories from some
[51:06] where, somebody. If not, we could find a theater story to tell there. But I'm sure we could,
[51:15] We make it even go in, at least the main floor, if they have a, you know, depending on if it's been sold by them or not.
[51:29] They have not, I think they may have had a death in the family so he had recently and I don't, he hasn't reached out to me and I've sent a couple of emails.
[51:38] So
[51:42] if there's anybody, you know, of course, please send them away, anybody that you can think of, especially right in that area, you know, we can do the courthouse, there's plenty of stories to go along with that.
[51:59] We still have the which and the square. I don't think we told that story last year that's barely, especially buried on the square.
[52:09] So there's, there's a good bit of stories that we can, you know, I said tell in different locations and if we don't have to get people all the way to Dixon, I think that's going to, yeah, I think that's going to help a little bit.
[52:23] So yeah, so let me know about the house that's found on the corner next to mine.
[52:30] I'll know because he's got that brick building and I know that whole street used to be like
[52:36] a pecan.
[52:37] I think it was and I think it was a pecan grove that was a part of Martin Institute from what
[52:44] I understand.
[52:45] So good stories might
[52:50] be up for it.
[52:53] And then I learned a good bit about the where the foundation
[53:00] is located.
[53:01] I kind of got sucked into that yesterday
[53:03] and read a good bit of history on that building, too.
[53:07] So it's kind of interesting that that's something
[53:12] that Al Westmoreland can get involved with because he's
[53:15] on that foundation and he would tell some great stories
[53:22] I'll reach out to him again, if anybody knows him, you can kind of encourage him a little
[53:29] bit.
[53:31] I think he was, he was planning on telling a story last year than I think he got sick
[53:35] and so we had to, had to back out close to the end, so we're still good with those dates.
[53:41] You all don't want to change anything?
[53:45] Friday. Okay.
[53:49] Okay.
[53:54] A good one. A good concert.
[53:59] Yes, that's something a good one. I'll
[54:02] tell you a story about Bob Sieger after the meeting.
[54:16] I think Jefferson out of town and
[54:20] And then it's all torches off that weekend.
[54:22] Oh, well, I heard the stars align, right?
[54:24] I mean, just right.
[54:25] Yeah, for sure.
[54:25] I think that's how we landed on that weekend.
[54:27] Yeah.
[54:28] And if there's some reason, I mean, you know,
[54:30] if she won't be there to go in, I can ask Gina.
[54:33] I just, I do need storytellers and tour guides.
[54:39] So I'll be a tour guide.
[54:41] Yeah.
[54:41] I'm doing that, not very good in the story.
[54:47] All right.
[54:50] That's all I have for porch tones.
[54:53] and the historic preservation conference is everybody registered, gotten their
[54:58] confirmation that wanted to go.
[55:05] And Krista.
[55:06] Krista Scott, where is it, Mr?
[55:10] Do this five minutes later.
[55:11] Yeah, I know, I'm supposed to know that.
[55:14] It's a cool stuff, yeah, I went to a fantastic ghost walk into cater a couple of
[55:22] years ago. It was amazing.
[55:24] It was about two and a half hours long, but we ended in the cemetery, it was really good.
[55:31] You know, they have a kind of a porch fest kind of thing on a regular basis, and they call
[55:38] kind of a cheese jam all the time.
[55:44] Yeah, they get a lot of cool stuff.
[55:46] Yeah, I think I'll be happy for you.
[55:47] But you also have the night down there?
[55:49] Yeah, yeah.
[55:51] Did you all figure out my basic training, whatever you do?
[55:59] So you can do an online class that's just, you know, by yourself.
[56:08] Everybody, I know Dawn and Bill and Holly, you went to Gainesville last year.
[56:14] So three of y'all did pretty much that basic HPC class.
[56:18] If there's anybody else that hasn't had that class, it was really, I mean, it's really good if you want to refresher.
[56:24] And you went to the year before, I think, didn't you?
[56:29] Where was that?
[56:30] I went to Thomasville.
[56:32] That's right, yes.
[56:35] So, you know, if there's anybody else who wants to do it,
[56:37] we can do like a Zoom class.
[56:42] But it is an eight hour class.
[56:44] So, I can either sign you up for just an online version
[56:48] or we can do like a Zoom class for that.
[56:55] It does not have a basic HPC training.
[57:01] Nope.
[57:05] There's different training classes, but there's not that basic level training class to
[57:15] kind of get you introduced into what HPCs are their purpose.
[57:23] Yes.
[57:25] In the online class, those eight hours are broken up in the sessions, right? Like
[57:33] it's not a sit there for eight hours straight. No, we sit there for eight hours at Gainesville.
[57:39] No, I need that online. Oh, and online. The one that's online, I think you can break it
[57:46] up and take it, yeah, yeah. No, we sit in eight hours and very uncomfortable triggers.
[57:53] We did that. It's shot to a lawn. Yeah. Before that too. Yeah, it makes
[58:00] sure. Y'all email me. Okay, I'll do it. It makes for a long day. I think I did it in a
[58:08] year. Uh-huh. And that's all I have.
[58:15] Anything else for the get-of-the-order?
[58:19] I'll entertain a
[58:27] Yes,
[58:31] please, if you don't mind, give me your, um, oaths, your son oaths.