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Good evening everybody. The time is now
7:03 p.m. I'd like to call this regular

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voting meeting to order. Today's date,
Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. I'll rise

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for the pledge of allegiance, please.

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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the stand

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indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.

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» Thank you. Roll call, please. Michelle
>> Mr.

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» President,
>> present.

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» Mr. Lynch,
>> Mrs. Harris,

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» here.
>> Mr.

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» President, Mrs.
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here.
>> Here.

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» Okay. Agenda item number four. We have a
presentation from Mark D'Angelo, West

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Jefferson Hills Historical Society
regarding Lo's Cemetery.

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I'm just going to read this if that's
okay since you had the packet uh ahead

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of time and then you could kind of
follow along and then if there's any

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questions or comments or anything you
want to ask me at the end I'll be more

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than happy to answer them or if you want
to set up a meeting afterwards whatever.

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Okay. My name is Mark D'Angelo with the
West Jefferson Hills Historical Society.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak to
you this evening. For those of you not

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aware of West Jefferson Hills Historical
Society, we operate out of a small room

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actually where that door is open. Uh
located behind Council Chambers, it is

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our mission to discover, chronicle, and
preserve the history of West Elizabeth,

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Pleasant Hills, and Jefferson Hills. We
are a nonprofit organization and rely on

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funds from member dues, individual and
corporate donations, and grant money

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that may be available. We are actively
pursuing all these revenue sources

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currently to support the our most
ambitious project to date, the

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preservation and rehabilitation of Lo
Cemetery located off of Walton Road.

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The main focus of our Lob Cemetery
project is locating and identifying

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unmarked grave sites on and off the
cemetery grounds. There are over 929

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graves at Lobes with only about 50 or so
that have headstones, many of which are

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unreadable or damaged. Included in these
929 graves are 31 military veteran

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graves that date back to the
Revolutionary War. Of these 31 veterans,

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18 have headstones, seven of which are
unreadable, and there are 13 veterans

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that are buried somewhere on the grounds
in the cemetery, but not identified. We

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have already applied through the
Veterans Administration

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for four new veteran headstones. We have
received approval for three and the

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fourth is still pending and we will
continue to ask for replacements as we

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research and obtain the required data
for the VA applications.

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We began our project in December of 2026
when we met with the Pleasant Hills

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American Legion Post 712 and they helped
us with the funding to complete the

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lobes cemetery survey which is shown on
page five of your packet. The survey was

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completed on June June 12th of this
year. What we found and suspected for

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quite some time was that there are
graves and headstones that are not on

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cemetery property. For example, the
Maple family plot is not on cemetery

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grounds, but on the property of Ruth
Hirs, along with the graves of veterans

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Murphy Caldwell and William Foster. Mr.
Caldwell is the first headstone you see

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when you're walking up the cement path
in front of the cement pavilion. Veteran

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William Foster is the headstone in the
photo on page six of the packet. and the

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Maple family is to your right once you
go up the walkway on the back side of

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the pavilion, also pictured on page six.
In fact, the cement pavilion, the

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basketball pickle ball courts, according
to county records, are not on Burrow

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property, but on the properties of Ruth
Hirs and Edward Beetle. The cemetery

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property was deed to Jefferson Hills
Burrow in 1932 by Edward Beetle and

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Bernett Bernay Samuels, and the burrow
has maintained the grounds ever since.

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So we have established that there are
graves off cemetery property and on

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private property property most notably
the property owned by Ruth which is

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partial 1274-m300.

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However, we suspect that there are also
graves on the property of Edward Beetle

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which is parcel 1274-m
as well. Both of these properties are in

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taxers and both have been put up for
sheriff sale twice with no buyers. We

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would like to propose that the burrow
make an effort to obtain these

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properties so that any identifiable
headstones like Mr. Caldwell, Mr.

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Foster, and the Maple family are
protected and any nonidentified graves

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can be located and also protected. We
currently have Len Stros Stroir from

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Omega Mapping Services interested in
doing ground penetrating radar to help

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us identify all the grave sites with the
burrow's permission.

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I have included in your packet three
maps showing the Hurst property, page

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two of the packet, the Beetle property,
page three, and the combined footprint

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of these properties combined with Lope
Cemetery, which is page four. I have

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also identified two parcels that the
burrow currently owns, parcel 1273-J-149

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and 1273-J-161

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along the abandoned section of State
Street. In between the parcels is the

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Gats Dozi property which is 1273-J-151

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which is also in taxers.
The historical society has applied for

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help through the vacant land recovery
program of which the burrow participates

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to purchase the hir and beetle
properties but the parcels are too large

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to meet the criteria of the program. So
we do not qualify for assistance in

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obtaining these parcels. To date, we
have not been able to reach anyone from

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the Hirs, Beetle, or Gastic families or
their legal representatives to discuss

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options for obtaining their properties.
So, we are asking for the burrow's help

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in securing these properties. as
mentioned previously to protect any

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graves off the cemetery grounds as
identified by the recent survey. By

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securing the Hers and Beetle properties,
you will have an extension of Lobe

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Cemetery combined with the two Jefferson
Hills parcels and possibly the Gadget

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Dosic property to create the potential
for a large park, maybe a historic park

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adjacent to the cemetery. In 179, I'm
sorry, um, the Lobe Cemetery and

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surrounding areas rich in historical
events as early as 1777 when the

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Yohagenia County Courthouse was
established on land overlooking the

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cemetery. In 1794, General Morgan took
up quarters

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in the courthouse
and his soldiers were camped at the Old

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Mississippi Glass Company site during
the Whiskey insurrection in 1794.

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There is even a mass grave of Whiskey
Rebellion soldiers that died of illness

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somewhere in Loes. We think we know
where it is that we hope to uh put a X

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on the mark on the map for that
location. This mass grave secured Loes,

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a spot on the national list of historic
places because it is the only known

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cemetery in the country where federal
troops from the Whiskey Rebellion are

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buried. Historical tourism is on the
rise and we have a plethora of history

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right around the Lobbe Cemetery area
that could be marketed. The influx of

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folks interested in our local history
could also help local businesses around

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Flor and West Elizabeth. If you really
wanted to dream big,

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you could create a replica of the
Yohageni County Courthouse on land above

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the cemetery. The courthouse has two
stories, was 24 feet x 16, and from

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there with some landscaping, you would
have a great view of lock 3 in the

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Managa River Valley, the same vantage
point that they would have had back in

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1777.
All we need now is your assistance to

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help us preserve and rehabilitate Lo
Cemetery and to protect all the grave

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sites around the cemetery. Edward Beetle
and Bnee Samuels Samuels entrusted you

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with this task and with a little more a
little more help, some planning and

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effort, we could also create a park
around the cemetery that everybody can

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share and enjoy. The West Jefferson
Hills Historical Society thanks you in

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advance for your consideration of our
request. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Mr. D'Angelo, and thank you
all for attending from the Historical

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Society as well. Um, we I I certainly
like like your outlook and everything

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that you're proposing. Um, I I've been
well aware I think some members on

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council have been well aware that we
don't own some of the property that is

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already at Lobes and that came about
whenever um I would say about five or

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six years ago, people wanted to do some
pretty big things with the basketball

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courts and the pickleball courts. And as
far as us just maintaining, it's not

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even our property. I think everything
was done with a smoke and a handshake

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back in the day. And that's kind of how
it's it's maintained that um that

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persona down there. So um we've actually
had the solicitor and um Mr. Glister is

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going to give you guys a little bit of
background on how you know we're kind of

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in the same boat as you. We have reached
out to those land owners before and to

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no avail. there has not been any kind of
communication and that was just simply

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to make sure that we were not
trespassing on anybody's land when we

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were trying to maintain it and take care
of it. Um so Mr. Glister is going to

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tell you um get you up to speed on what
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» Well, I think you and I already talked
about this. We had bet a little bit, but

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just for the public to know, as
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mentioned, the the ownership down there
came to light a couple years ago when we

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were looking to do some improvements.
And uh you know, I was surprised that,

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you know, we were able to get in touch
with Evan Beetle. That's where I gave

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you the the contact for the attorney for
the estate and that was just, you know,

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three or four years ago. So, it's it was
disappointing. I thought that for sure

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was at least be one we could be get in
touch with. But outside of that, the

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there's the the only thing we could
really find in writing was the um for

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the gas company. There was a a letter
basically saying we can use it if we we

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maintain the land, but it doesn't really
address the ownership issue. And the

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letter was from like 1967. So, um, so we
we spent some effort, uh, trying to to

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find some stuff, but it's been a couple
years since we we, you know,

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» really dug deep
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something that's on their list. It's on
my dry erase board down there, uh, for

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for a while now to try and get this this
resolved. So, um, I think we'll talk and

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and we'll we're going to try to pick
this back up again and see if we can't,

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you know, get to the bottom of this and
get some success there because it is it

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does make sense. I mean, when you look
at all that, it it would make sense for

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for us to have it. It would also benefit
the historical society as well. So,

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» yeah, it would take basically a 2 acre,
two plus acre cemetery into almost a

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12acre park.
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» And I know when I was on the
comprehensive committee a couple years

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back, that was a big push to get more
parks more, you know, and I've been down

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there, I've spent many, many hours down
lobes, and there's not many people that

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participate
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» No, I know. We go down, my family goes
down there, play pickle ball, and you

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can always get right on the courts. And
just to give you an idea, um,

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the camper property, which was Charles
Withers before it was campered, is up

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for sheriff's sale as well. And I mean,
just to give you an idea of what the

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cost of that, $1,800.
>> So, I mean, I think if we went to

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sheriff's sale or if you even did back
taxes, I think you can get these

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properties relatively cheap
>> at a minimum. Yeah.

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» Yeah. So yeah, but I thank you for your
time and I'm more than willing to meet

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with any or all of you uh whenever you
would like to discuss further and uh we

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appreciate everything you do for us.
Thank you.

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» I do have a question for you. Would you
be open to presenting this to all to the

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EAC the environmental advisory council?
>> Yeah, I could do that. Sure.

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» We have we'll reach out to you on that
because I think from this and the

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acreage and all uh there'd be very
interest in that.

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» Okay, great. Thank you for your time.
Thanks.

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» And Mr. Mr. Havvertock on the different
lots shown on the map. Do we Is that

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something we uh page four?

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» Is that something we can maybe look at
seeing how many of these lots are uh

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taxes in the rears
>> and seeing how what all on just how much

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[clears throat] is actually you know
being paid how much been sitting idle

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for a long time. That may help with
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I'll be talking to that gentleman on
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» Thank you.
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» Okay. Um number five, reports from
burough boards and commissions.

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Number six, reports fire chief.

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» Good evening.

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I'll be doing the report tonight for uh
Chief Bendig while he's uh away. I am uh

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Dan Castavni, a captain for Jefferson
Hills Fire Rescue. I'm currently the on

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shift supervisor.
Uh Chase wanted me to provide a quick

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update on the uh Arnon Drive incident a
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uh Alageney County Emergency Services
report uh received a 911 call for a

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house on fire at 10:35 p.m. Uh it was
then dispatched to us at 10:37 p.m. Um

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both of our engines were in route along
with mutual aid at 10:38 p.m. a minute

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later and then on scene at 10:46 uh an
8minute travel time. Uh crews arrived to

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a two-story uh residential structure
with fire showing from a attached garage

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and also a car on fire in the driveway.
Uh 180 chief established the command and

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firefighters uh used two hand lines, one
in the garage and one in the front door

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to uh knock the bulk of the fire back in
about 5 minutes from arrival time. Um

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the fire was marked under control
approximately 35 minutes later after um

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the extension was found throughout the
house. Um Alageney County Fire Marshall

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is investigating the fire and Chief
Bendic will have a further update next

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month uh for that fire. Uh he just
wanted me to go over a few uh quick

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notes. Um, our in incident summary
report for last month was uh 69 total

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incidents, 17 of which were overlapping,
meaning we got multiple calls during an

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incident. Uh, we gave mutual aid 13
times and we received mutual aid three

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times. Two of those were lightning
strikes during uh the storms throughout

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last month that uh were called in as
possible house fires.

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Um, our average turnout time is a minute
5 seconds. Our average response time is

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6 minutes 22 seconds.
And then a quick note on the uh

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certifications earned. Uh Jefferson
Hills Fire and Rescue was uh certified

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by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
uh state fire commissioner as a 100%

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participating department. This
designation signifies our com uh

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department's commitment to a higher
standard of service through nationally

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recognized and sanctioned uh
professional qualification standards.

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Out of approximately 2400 fire
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carry that designation.
And that is all I got for you if there's

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any questions.
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» Thank you.
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» Thank you.

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» Okay. EMS is not present. Uh consulting
engineer, finance officer, Mr.

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Habertock.
>> I have nothing to add tonight.

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public works director. Yes. Go.
>> I have a question. Mr. Habertock, when

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are we going to start working on the
2027 budget? Just so we know. Or did you

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already start?
>> Okay. All right. And um I thought maybe

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you should give a little update about
the fact that in your budget we already

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got 69% of the taxes
turned in. that I think that

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» that warrants something.
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collection, we have um outsourced to
Jordan Tax Service and as of today,

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they've they've already collected 69% of
our anticipated tax revenue. So, it's

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going well for the bureau.
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» Okay. Thank you. Uh police chief,
>> I have nothing to add to my report

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unless there's questions.
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» Yeah. First of all, I just like to
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achievement. It's amazing. And also,
thank you very much for all the hard

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work you guys did on the Arnoni fire.
Um, I was away this past weekend, but it

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was right behind my house and my
neighbors. Couldn't have been more

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pleased on how everything went. So,
kudos and thank you to you guys. That's

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all.
>> Thank you, Manager Glister.

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» I have nothing further tonight unless
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And madam solicitor, uh, I have nothing
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» All right. We'll move into burough
resident taxpayer comments on agenda

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items. [clears throat]
First one I have is Amy Pritchard.

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Hello. Good evening. My name is Amy
Pritchard and I live in T Plan. Um, I've

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been chosen on behalf of our neighbors
to who have previously spoken about the

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adoption of the comprehensive plan.
I appreciate the opportunity to speak

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with you once again about the motion to
adopt the resolution 20-2026

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adopting the burrow of pleasant
Jefferson Hills comprehensive plan as

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the official comprehensive plan of the
bureau. At the June 8th meeting, the

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vote was tabled to develop, adopt, and
implement the Burough of Jefferson Hills

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comprehensive plan so that revisions
could be considered after meeting with T

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plan residents. Due to unforeseen
scheduling conflicts, that meeting was

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postponed for two months. We did not
hold anyone personally responsible for

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those delays and completely understand
that when trying to coordinate meetings

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with multiple people, the stars don't
always align. When the meeting took

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place in August, it was very productive.
And Mark Ryenbach, the burough uh

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um the engineer for um
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» thank you.
>> The gateway engineer was very

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productive. He incorporated the agreed
upon changes into the comprehensive

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plan. And when we received that revision
on September 1st, we were really pleased

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with the end result of our
collaboration. It was really

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wellreceived. Everyone really liked how
it turned out. Um the only question that

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we had had that day was on the
comprehensive plan date which says March

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2025. We question whether the date would
change to reflect the revisions that we

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had made. Um the reply was that we
received that the date is simply

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identified as the latest version of the
written comprehensive plan document

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itself. So, it really didn't mean that
we were attempting to move forward with

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an earlier version of the TA part
concept or without incorporating the

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changes that we had discussed. Um, I
don't know if it was verified with the

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planner or not, but I wanted to um just
see if that was uh something that had

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been verified with the planner to see if
we can get the dates up to date or if

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that was just the date on the plan. Um,
but we were told that to be clear there

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is no intent to circumvent or disregard
the discussed revisions that the updated

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T park exhibit is the version intended
to accompany the plan moving forward.

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Um, unfortunately I was unable to attend
the meeting on September 2nd um that

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public hearing and burough meeting due
to flying from a business trip. However,

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I was able to watch the meeting and um
Mr. Glister stated the updated te park

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plan needed revisions to the previously
prepared cost estimate and then those

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costs needed to be incorporated in the
comprehensive plan. That would require

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some additional work for the burough
engineer coordination with the planner

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at pashik um which would not be
completed in time for the September

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voting meeting which is tonight and
that's why it was suggested to be

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removed from the agenda. Now, I did see
on item number 27 that there were um

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$8,500 in T park plan modifications. Is
that something that will include

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everything
that was discussed at that meeting or is

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it just the um
finance aspect of that on the agenda 27?

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» That's just for the revising. That's for
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cost estimate.
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And while we can appreciate some council
members pushing to adopt the earlier

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version rather than formally documenting
these revisions and ensuring the

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appearance of the final draft, doing so
would disregard the collaborative work

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completed by Gateway Engineering, Mark
Ryenbach, Burough Manager, Mr.

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Blistister,
President Stephie Pashik, and the

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residents, as well as the commitments
made by council members. If important

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cost estimate revisions aren't included
in the comprehensive plan, what will

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that do for future grants? Council,
burough officials, and the community

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residents have come together to create a
better plan for everyone involved, and

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everyone knows this process takes time.
If the current revision is adopted

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without the agreed upon changes, and
some or all of council members do not

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return for the next term, the incoming
council may not receive the revised

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plans or have a clear record of the
changes discussed, agreed upon, and

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promised to the residents. Prematurely
adopting the comprehensive plan without

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the revisions is irresponsible and would
undermine transparency and trust in Bur

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decision-making. It signals to the
residents that commitments made during

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public meetings are not reliable. The
responsible course is to hopefully

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postpone adoption until October. So the
plan contains a clear, precise, correct

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proposal that makes all changes very
clear to future council members. Sorry I

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went over.
>> That's okay.

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» Can I address something really quick?
>> I appreciate it.

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» Do you know the plans for T park aren't
in the comprehensive plan? That's not

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what the comprehensive plan means.
>> The comprehensive plan would just say

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we're focusing on bettering our parks.
The comprehensive plan it in and of

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itself doesn't say how
>> those are all done outside of the

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comprehensive plan with the guidance
from the comprehensive plan. Doing those

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things at T park or those revisions have
nothing to do with the comprehensive

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plan other than the con excuse me the
comprehensive plan saying that we're

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going to focus on those things. So why
so inclusive drawing of the park with

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multiple fields showing that in that
>> because that's part of the process but

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that's not that has nothing to do with
the comprehensive plan in of itself. The

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comprehensive plan doesn't say, "Hey,
we're moving in on T on T Park. We're

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going to do this. We're going to do
this. Vote on this." And that's what

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we're doing with T Park. Correct. Even
if we adopt the comprehensive plan,

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everything is still up for debate,
change, modification, input.

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» Um, nothing nothing that's happening
from Team Park directly

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comes from that plan or your your Te
plan isn't incorporated in the

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comprehensive plan. That's not how that
works. So all those drawings that are of

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T park that are in that comprehensive
plan on I can't remember

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» that's not part of that's not the
comprehensive plan. That's not those are

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just those are those mandates are
directed by the comprehensive plan that

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just says we are going to focus a lot of
our resources

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» on recreation
>> on recreation. It doesn't say we're

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putting that in the comprehensive plan
and then it's going to be done.

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[clears throat] If we vote on the
comprehensive plan, that's just a

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guideline for us to focus on the things
that our constituents said in the survey

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needed to be focused on. So, a lot of
the people wanted more recreation. So,

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that's what we're focusing on. Whether
or not we passed that comprehensive plan

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has nothing no bearing on what we're
going to do to T Park. That is all

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subject to planning the way we've been
doing it. If we put off the

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comprehensive plan any longer, we don't
have that as a guide to move on with the

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other things that we want to do.
>> We're only waiting a couple weeks to

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have everything.
>> This has already been this has been

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months and months and months in
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» But T park shouldn't wouldn't hold up
the comprehensive man. It shouldn't hold

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up the comprehensive plan.
>> That is correct. It shouldn't hold it up

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and it in my opinion it hasn't held it
up because it's moving forward. Whether

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you see steps that it has moved forward
or not,

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» it really truly has. and the
collaboration between

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» that's f but that won't stop once we
adopt a comprehensive plan

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» the the [clears throat] pictures in
there were very very preliminary hey

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here's a potential we can do it has
nothing for implementation

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» the value that you know have everyone's
embraced the with the t plan process

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going on that's the value that that's
the implementation

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comprehensive plan is basically the
start of a conversation but pictures

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there's diagrams and all that.
>> So that won't be included in the

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comprehensive plan if you adopt it.
Those pictures and all the ballparks,

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» those pictures, that's a guideline and
that it was it was um

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» we don't want to have this over and over
again.

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» I understand. But with the help of our
engineer, they were showing us the

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potential of what could possibly go into
property that the bur already owns.

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Nothing is like set in stone. Those are
all just possibilities. And then as you

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have already been a part of, they've
taken in your consideration. They've

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changed that.
>> So nothing is set in stone. That's just

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laying out a goal for us to be able to
kind of like frame things around

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» and for us to be able to apply for
grants down the road. We have to have a

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plan in place or they won't even
acknowledge us for potential grants that

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are available.
>> Right. So that's why I was hoping that

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all of that could be incorporated
because the from what I was

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» but one major
>> hearing that it wouldn't be like the

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cost estimates and things wouldn't all
be

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» complete by tonight's meeting.
>> But even the the costs that are in there

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that's even changing with inflation like
that.

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» It's all exclusive. We're doing a T
park. It's exclusive of the

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comprehension plan. has technically
nothing to do with it other than the

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comprehension comprehensive plan is
saying we're going to focus on areas of

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recreation.
I mean they we they put up a last year

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when they came and showed us the you
know a community center was $35 million.

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That's thanks for showing us but we're
not doing that even though it was in

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there. We're not doing a $35 million
community center.

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The major concern I heard in your um in
your comment is that you are concerned

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for change of council in the future.
What if this isn't in the comprehensive

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plan? Um there's no guarantees in local
government at all. And the next council

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that comes in can take that
comprehensive plan and shove it down the

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toilet if they want. Unfortunately,
um the next council that comes in can

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say we're not going to utilize that
grant that they already secured because

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we think that money is better spent
elsewhere and we spent a long time

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securing those grants, paying our grant
writer to secure those grants,

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» right?
>> We can't guarantee anything in the

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future, but that's why this is a guide.
And I think that's one of your main

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concerns is that there is no guarantee
in that comprehensive plan. and you want

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a guarantee, but we're taking the T park
plan piece by piece. And I think since

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there is no overturn on council anytime
soon, I like the fact that we're taking

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that plan piece by piece and we're
>> absolutely

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» working with you guys and we're
utilizing what we discuss and

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implementing it in a phaseonphase basis
instead of having that big outlook on

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things because the cost estimates we
have already, they're five months old

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and they've already changed,
>> right? You know, the the comprehensive

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plan we started five years ago and so
much has changed in it already and by

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law we're required to have a new
comprehensive plan every 10 years. So

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now we have five years to take what
we've paid for, you know, what we are

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going to vote on and and use that as a
guideline. I completely understand your

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concern, Amy. I really do.
>> Um it's just like I always say, I don't

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know how staff can work in local
government because there's no

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guarantees,
>> right?

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[laughter] I I wouldn't be able to do
it, you know. Um, so I I I had listen I

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voiced my concern in the last meeting
about moving forward and I didn't I

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certainly didn't want Mr. Glister to
lose your trust or the resident's trust

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and t
>> I think we're going to you know I know

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we're going to hold up our end of the
bargain because it was a great plan that

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we all came to. It was your idea about
moving the parking and everything. Um, I

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think we just have to have I hate to say
it, but there has to be trust there.

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» Absolutely.
>> Yeah. I can't speak for my fellow

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councilman, but again, as you and I had
a wonderful conversation,

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I billion% uh support what all has been
developed and gone through with deep

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plan. That's where I'm saying those two
different swim lanes.

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» Right
>> here is it blueprint. When I look at

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that is not a living document. It's a
photograph. So it's a photograph

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comprehensive plan of four years of
work. Is this good or bad? You know, do

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we as a burrow from the residents want
to invest in our recreational and the

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other items in that?
>> Right?

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» That's over here. That started the
dialogue saying, hey, we appreciate

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what's going on with T plan. We have
concerns and now we've been doing a

414
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:18,240
wonderful uh uh process of the
interaction together to find even a

415
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:22,079
better plan for T park. That is what we
vote on. We're voting we're not voting

416
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:25,599
on a comprehend plan saying that's the
picture that we're voting on and the

417
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,879
only thing we're voting on. We're going
to be voting on a future all the work

418
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:36,960
between yourselves, our engineers and
Mr. glister and all that saying here's

419
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:41,040
how together we want T park to become
>> and that's what I'm supporting 100%.

420
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,560
» But that's you know we got to get this
thing out and because that's got to sit

421
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:47,040
with Alane County so long before it'll
come back.

422
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,280
» That's our main concern is the time that
it takes at the county. It's not that

423
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:55,280
we're trying to rush it through because
of anything on the burrow side. It's the

424
00:34:54,240 --> 00:35:00,079
it is the county,
>> right? you know, and then you if it's

425
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:05,280
not there there may be some things that
in there that we need to move forward on

426
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:09,040
grant-wise and if it's not implemented
or approved by the county that we don't

427
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,160
have that as a guide to go off of e
either I I can't speak for the grant

428
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,400
writer but I know that there are a lot
of things that have to be in place in

429
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:20,320
order to secure the the grants and
sometimes an implemented comprehensive

430
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:24,240
plan is one of them.
>> Right. Thank you for explaining

431
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,400
everything. Appreciate it.
>> Yeah.

432
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:32,440
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Okay, next is Lisa.

433
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,240
» Thank you. I wanted to do two quick
things tonight. First of all, I wanted

434
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:47,119
to thank council um the solicitor and
the bureau manager for listening to the

435
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:52,400
citizens and holding the public hearing
about the lease and also for hiring John

436
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:57,119
Smith to put some extra eyes on the
lease based on his years of experience

437
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:01,520
and I really appreciate that. I I think
that that you know just helped better

438
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:06,000
the process. Now me personally, do I
want to see the bureau sign a lease? No,

439
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:11,839
absolutely not. However, I ask you to
trust John Smith and you did and so now

440
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:17,359
I have to trust John Smith gave you good
advice and if you adopted the changes

441
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:21,280
and the revisions if any that he offered
then I will trust the process. So I just

442
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:26,560
wanted to say thank you for doing that.
Um, the second thing is I'm going to be

443
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,880
emailing tomorrow to the bureau manager
and president of council a link to a

444
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:36,800
report that our organization the
environmental integrity project released

445
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:41,200
and it's data centers. And two weeks
ago, Governor Shapiro, you heard him

446
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:47,359
say, "We're going to allow data centers,
but they can't use the grid. They can't

447
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:52,160
impact rateayers, but they have to bring
their own power source." Problem. big

448
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,240
problem.
Those power sources, this report will

449
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:01,280
show you are what are be are called
behind the meter gas power plants.

450
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,760
They're completely powered by fracked
gas.

451
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:10,240
And I have shared with several of you
that I have it from a very reliable

452
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:14,800
source that the data center companies
have drawn a circle around Jefferson

453
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Hills and they want Jefferson Hills as
one of their primary locations in

454
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:25,119
Alageney County. So, I'm also going I
did share with uh president of council

455
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:30,800
and burough manager an ordinance that
John Smith wrote. Um it is when you see

456
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:35,440
it, it says Twilight Burrow, but it is
was written by John. Um and it is

457
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,119
specific to the energy sources for data
centers. And I know thank you again for

458
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:44,400
being proactive about talking about
getting a data center ordinance, but I

459
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:47,440
would also encourage you to look at that
if you do have questions. Of course,

460
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,000
John is the author of that. he can help
you. But I just always want to be

461
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:56,560
protective of people's health. You know,
we don't want to stop technology, but we

462
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:01,200
also don't want to become ground zero
for something that is going to alter.

463
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,800
You know, you have a vision with your
comprehensive plan, which is awesome. I

464
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:08,800
know a lot of hard work went into that.
I want to make sure that that vision

465
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,680
stays true to what you want. But I just
again very reliable source ask me if I

466
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:18,240
had the year of Jefferson Hills Council
and to please alert you that they are

467
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,240
looking at Jefferson Hills quietly.
They're hiding, you know, below the

468
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:27,839
radar right now. Now, our organization
has a list and we I've put Jefferson

469
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:32,240
Hills on it. Um we are grant driven. We
help um with the state side of things,

470
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,400
the permitting side of things. I can
also help locally. Um, it's no cost to

471
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,720
the burrow, but I did add Jefferson
Hills to our watch list and I will keep

472
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:46,000
you informed if I do hear anything else.
But again, just asking as you always

473
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:50,880
seem to do is be proactive and take a
look at that energy power sector part of

474
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:55,040
it because when I heard the governor say
that, that's exactly what he meant. So,

475
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,040
thank you again for anything that you
can do on the the plus side to move

476
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,000
things forward on that. And if you have
any questions or if I can be of help in

477
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,599
any way, just let me know.
>> Thank you, Lisa. Thank you.

478
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:09,280
» Yeah, I'm gonna have um Mike and I
looked over the information that you had

479
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:12,480
sent us. I'll have him send that out to
the rest of council and mayor just

480
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,960
because I don't think we we didn't do
that. We were involved in the in getting

481
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,240
Mr. Smith on board and being at the
meeting and everything um so that

482
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,800
council can look over everything that
you sent. And um appreciate your

483
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:30,000
comments about Mr. Smith as well because
there were people in the group that

484
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:34,079
stood up and verbally said we're really
happy he was here and we were happy that

485
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Mr. Moore did his presentation and
believe it or not, they they actually

486
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:43,920
felt more confident about the process.
So, um, appreciate you saying that.

487
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:47,920
» Thank you.
>> And also, I want to apologize. I was not

488
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:51,920
here last week. My my elderly mom had
surgery that day

489
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,800
» and I was not able to be here, but did
want to take a minute to say thank you.

490
00:39:53,520 --> 00:40:00,240
» Sure. Hope she's doing well.
>> Thank you.

491
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,400
» Okay. Um, next is Ra, I believe. Do you
want to speak or do you want me to read

492
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,880
it?
>> Okay,

493
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,920
» you pretty much answered everything.
>> Okay,

494
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:13,839
» I'll read it. Um, Ra Patton 6045 Willm.
I am submitting this statement regarding

495
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:17,119
TE Park. An agreement on the plan for TE
Park has already been established.

496
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:20,640
However, for those agreed upon changes
to be binding, permanent, and

497
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:25,760
enforceable, they must formally
incorporated be formally incorporated

498
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:29,599
into the town's comprehensive plan.
Bypassing the comprehensive plan leaves

499
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,599
critical details vulnerable to future
misinterpretation or alteration.

500
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:38,160
Updating the comprehensive plan first
ensues ensures that the community is

501
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:42,800
agreed upon vision is legally protected,
fully transparent, and aligned with our

502
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,920
long-term goals. For those reasons, I
respectfully request that the council

503
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,240
table any final action on this matter
until the October vote voting meeting.

504
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:54,079
Taking until October allows the
necessary time to properly in integrate

505
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,920
these updates into the comprehensive
plan. So everyone is moving forward with

506
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:01,280
a complete, accurate and official
record. Thank you for reading this into

507
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,280
the record and for your consideration.
Sure you don't have any questions?

508
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,280
» Okay.

509
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Okay. Um
next the last agenda item is Jeffrey

510
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:20,640
Melville Steltzer um 733 Waterman Road.
Dear council members, I'm writing to

511
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,839
express my strong support for the
proposed EQT Energy Development Proposal

512
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:30,200
17. I encourage you to approve this
project for the benefit of our

513
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200
community.

514
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Okay.
All right. We'll move on to agenda item

515
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,160
number eight. Motion to approve the
monthly bills.

516
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,960
» Motion.
>> Motion by Councilman Bence.

517
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,640
» Second.
>> Second by Councilwoman Buccy. All those

518
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:50,079
in favor say I. Any opposed?
Motion carries. Number nine. Motion to

519
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,440
approve the monthly payroll.
>> Motion.

520
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,920
» Motion by Councilman Bence.
>> Second.

521
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,040
» Second by Councilwoman Rido. All those
in favor say I. I.

522
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,720
» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries.

523
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,680
» Number 10. Motion to approve minutes of
agenda meeting August 5th, 2026.

524
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,839
» Motion.
>> Motion by Councilman Ben.

525
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,200
» Second.
>> Second by Councilwoman Mirez. All those

526
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,640
in favor say I.
>> Any opposed? Motion carries.

527
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:21,839
Number 11. Motion to approve minutes of
regular meeting August 10th, 2026.

528
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,640
» Motion.
>> Motion by Councilman Bence.

529
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,599
» Second.
>> Second by Councilwoman Rido. All those

530
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:33,599
in favor say I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries.

531
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:37,760
Number 12. Motion to hire Blank to the
position of in-house burough engineer.

532
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,760
» I'd like to motion to hire Leonard
White.

533
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:44,160
» I'll second.
>> Motion by Councilman Ben to hire Leonard

534
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:47,920
White. Second by Councilwoman Maris. All
those in favor say I. I.

535
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:51,839
» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Congratulations to Mr.

536
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,560
White.
>> Number 13. Motion to adopt the blank

537
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,920
flag design as the official flag of the
Burrow of Jefferson Hills.

538
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,880
» I'll make a motion to adopt option
number two.

539
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,400
» I'll second.
>> Motion to adopt option number two by

540
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:11,119
Vice President Pollock. Second by
Councilwoman Merz. All those in favor

541
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:16,800
say I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries.

542
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:22,000
Number 14, motion to ratify the
retainage of Smith's Butts LLC regarding

543
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,960
the EQT lease review.
>> A motion.

544
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,520
» Motion by Councilwoman May. Second by
Councilwoman Rido. All those in favor

545
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,920
say I. I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries.

546
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:41,280
Number 15. Motion to authorize the
proposed leasing of burough owned oil

547
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:47,960
and gas mineral rights for parcel number
883-R250

548
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,960
and parcel number 10005-R1000

549
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,200
to EQT.
>> A motion.

550
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:55,680
» Motion by Councilman Bence.
>> I'll second.

551
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:58,319
» Second by Councilwoman Mirez. All those
in favor say I. I. [clears throat] Any

552
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,560
opposed?
>> Opposed. Oppos.

553
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,960
» Roll call, please. Michelle.
>> Mr. B.

554
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,040
» Yes.
Mrs.

555
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,119
» No.
>> Mr. Lynch.

556
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,200
» Mrs.
>> Yes.

557
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,359
» Mr.
>> Yes.

558
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,760
» Mrs.
>> No.

559
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,800
» Mrs. Steph.
>> Yes.

560
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,680
» M. Madam President, can I make a
comment, please? Um, while I am thankful

561
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:31,599
that we did employ John Smith to um,
ensure those safeguards for this lease,

562
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:35,920
um, what I am a little displeased with
is the time that we got all of this

563
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:42,480
information given to us. Um, it would
seem just very rushed to me. Um, but

564
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:46,800
otherwise, I feel confident in the
decisions that John Smith has made for

565
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,880
our burrow. But with that, I would like
to make a motion

566
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:57,440
um
on the floor to

567
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:03,280
reserve or earmark 35% of whatever funds
should come in from EQT in order to

568
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:11,920
protect us in the future from any sort
of incidents that may occur um

569
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:16,800
problems, uh resident um mishaps
because, you know, we were given a

570
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:23,119
presentation And yes, accidents can
happen. And I would just feel more uh

571
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:28,160
secure in knowing that we earmarked
a a substantial amount of that money

572
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:32,560
towards any incidentals that should
arise in the future.

573
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,079
» Can I just comment on the procedure?
>> Sure.

574
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,200
» I think if you're going to amend the
agenda with an additional motion, you'd

575
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:40,640
have to make it a motion to amend the
agenda and then have a second and have a

576
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,599
majority vote. And if so, then you could
make your motion.

577
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:47,599
» Okay. So a motion to amend the agenda
would be

578
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:52,640
» I would like to make a motion to
a amend the agenda

579
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:57,440
» and [snorts] add that we could earmark
35% of revenue that we receive from EQT

580
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:02,240
into a special fund in case of
incidentals or future implications that

581
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:05,280
could arise.
>> Motion by Councilwoman Rido.

582
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:08,720
» I'll second it.
>> Second by Councilwoman Buussy. Um before

583
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,680
we vote, I would just like to
>> You're just voting on amending the

584
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,359
agenda to allow the motion. That's what
you're voting on.

585
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,440
» Okay.
>> Okay.

586
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,720
» Then she would make if that's okay, then
she'd make the specific motion just like

587
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,240
we're doing down here in 19 and 20. You
make the specific motion to amend and

588
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:28,640
then you can do the new motion.
>> Okay. Um all those in favor to amend the

589
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,920
emotion the amend the agenda.
>> Say I.

590
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:34,200
» I.
>> I. I'm fine with it.

591
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,839
» Any opposed? Sorry.
>> No. No.

592
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:47,362
» Roll call, please. Michelle.
>> Mr. B. No

593
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,382
» Mr. Lynch.
[laughter]

594
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,599
» Yes,
>> Mr. Pen.

595
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:56,079
» No,
>> Mrs.

596
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,119
» Yes,
>> Mrs.

597
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,119
» Yes.

598
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:07,040
» Is Is there discussion after she puts
the motion on the floor? No.

599
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,480
» Yes.
>> Yes.

600
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:12,560
» So, madam. Okay.
>> Yeah. If may I make [clears throat]

601
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:17,920
comment?
I mean how when can I make motion the

602
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:19,920
agenda or on the on the actual motion?
>> On the actual motion.

603
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,920
» Okay. After
>> Yeah. So go ahead.

604
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:30,000
» I can understand and then adding the
additional motion to go through. I think

605
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:33,280
the next step will be something that I
don't think will be worthwhile to do

606
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:38,560
that in a quick motion of what
percentage and all that. Uh that's my

607
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:43,920
only concern. I have no problem having
that discussion. I think having that and

608
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:48,880
having that number right here in a very
cool situation uh is not beneficial.

609
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:55,440
» I agree.
>> Would you uh say that you want a sl a

610
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:59,440
sliding scale?
I don't I would say I think this is

611
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:03,839
something that we should be on next
month's agenda

612
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,280
uh for the inferact type of conversation
to have in a normal in front of

613
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,920
everybody.
>> How'd you get to 30%.

614
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:18,240
» It's just a small fraction of what we're
getting in case you know I mean

615
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:22,960
» 30% is a small fraction. It's 30%.
>> I mean just Mr. Smith alone his charges

616
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,880
if something should happen or an
accident should happen and that's burrow

617
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,000
property that we're leasing.
>> Did you read the lease?

618
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,400
» I did read the lease very thoroughly.
>> And then what do we do with the money

619
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,720
besides that? We just leave it there.
>> I mean that's things I guess that need

620
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,680
to be
>> right. That's that's my whole point.

621
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,400
Like what why did you want to motion
that today?

622
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,440
» Because I feel it's important that we
have that in reserves because it's

623
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:50,000
burrow property that we're leasing.
>> I get that. But why did you want the 30%

624
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,480
motioned and voted on today without
having that discussion?

625
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:00,480
» I just
>> I'm you want us to vote on 30%

626
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:04,720
of the money, but you didn't want to you
don't have like tell us why.

627
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,400
» I want to safeguard our residents. We
have a fiduciary duty to do so.

628
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,880
» I get that. But why 30%? Where did you
where's all the

629
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:14,800
» It seems like a fair amount to put away
to to ensure that something if something

630
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,720
should arise but you don't have any
evidence. by 30%.

631
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:22,559
» It's almost like insurance. We also have
the insurance liability behind that.

632
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,760
» There's no research. There's no
conversation. There's no It hasn't been

633
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:30,960
brought up to anybody.
You empowered yourself to come up with

634
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:35,680
30%.
For no reason.

635
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:38,720
Why can't we do all that with 10%. Who's
to say?

636
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,800
» And that's why I'm saying that
>> that's why I voted no. I prefer to have

637
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:47,920
that as a regular agenda item with time
to be be able to investigate that.

638
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:52,240
That's that's my viewpoint.
>> I'm not denying the thought of that.

639
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:56,079
» But
the number just a reminder that we

640
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:59,280
currently have a 40% reserve policy for
unforeseen events.

641
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:03,520
» Can you speak into your microphone?
>> We currently already have a reserve

642
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:09,280
policy in effect that we maintain in
cash 40% of unreserved funds across the

643
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:12,000
entire size of our budget. So just
throwing that out there. We do have that

644
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,119
now.
>> And that 40%

645
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:21,839
equate that in dollars
for the public so they know.

646
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:28,319
» Well, it's 40% of the the total budgeted
expenditures for a year. So if we spend

647
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,440
» $8 million,
>> it's not.

648
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,280
» So the actual budget, let's say the
general funds 13 million spent in a

649
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,240
year,
>> 13 plus sewer

650
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:40,960
» times 30%.
>> We keep cash of 5.2 2 million and we are

651
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,480
within compliance. We have more than
that currently.

652
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,920
» I would suggest just for procedure since
the motion to amend the agenda was

653
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:53,599
successful. I think that Mr. Rito should
make her motion and then see if there is

654
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,119
a second and then you vote on it one way
or another and if it's it's voted down

655
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,040
you could certainly put it on next
month's agenda or whatever you choose.

656
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:07,680
» Well, maybe in the meantime we can talk
about a fair amount or a percentage that

657
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:11,200
we think would be adequate. um
>> or why we even need it.

658
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:17,680
» I just feel it's necessary.
>> I think a vote should be put on the

659
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:23,440
floor to see if council wants to pursue
needing it, whether it's 10%, 35%,

660
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:28,440
whatever the case may be. So, I think
the next step would be to make your

661
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,440
motion.

662
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,800
» I just did make a motion.
>> But now you have to say, I'd like to

663
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:41,040
make a motion. We only amended the
agenda. Now we have to do now we have to

664
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,480
do the the actual what you want.
>> Well, while we're discussing here in a

665
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:48,160
public meeting, is there an amount that
we think would be reasonable

666
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,400
or fair?
>> We have $5.2 million.

667
00:51:50,319 --> 00:52:00,000
» I understand that. But we have a lot of
projects, all right, that we want to

668
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:07,040
complete. And it seems like,
you know, uh, we have that money because

669
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:13,359
people save that money. And that's
taxpayer money. That's all taxpayer

670
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:16,960
money. So if we want to put a little bit
aside

671
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:22,960
to ensure
as a insurance policy, I I understand

672
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,839
that you might want to have that number
adjusted, but I also agree that we could

673
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:34,240
have that number adjusted, but I do
believe that we should earmark some

674
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:42,319
money in case of some incidentals that
are on the burrow in which we would have

675
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:46,839
to retain Smith butts again or
any other situation arises.

676
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:58,960
I personally saw his I read his amounts
and they're they're

677
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:05,119
pretty hefty amounts that he is charging
because he isn't a specialist.

678
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,839
Brian, do we have insurance when if it
comes to this? Is there an insurance

679
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:13,599
policy we have that would pay for
litigation if something were to go

680
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,599
wrong?
>> The lease provides that anything that

681
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:21,359
goes wrong that is not our fault, we are
not responsible for and Mr. Smith stated

682
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:24,000
that in his presentation
>> reiterated that.

683
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:26,319
» But what if something happens?
>> But then then why would we retain him

684
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:28,960
again?
>> It is our fault.

685
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:30,559
» But what then why would we retain him
again?

686
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,760
» Well, then we would find someone else.
But my point is what if something

687
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,920
happens and it is our fault? My only
concern is this is burrow property that

688
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:44,000
we are leasing and I would feel
I would feel better for the residents if

689
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,880
we put away some money just in case
there was an issue

690
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:56,480
» in case we did something wrong like what
>> we leased burrow property

691
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:00,319
» right underneath burough property
>> I understand that.

692
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Yeah, I
>> Yeah, the liability provisions are very

693
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:08,319
very advantageous to the bureau.
>> Yeah, I mean I read the contract.

694
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:12,359
» I also did read the contract, too.
>> Doesn't look like you understood it.

695
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:18,400
» Really?
>> I mean, 30% is a lot of money.

696
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,760
» You want to sit up here and tell us
we're going to spend 30% of that or just

697
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:26,800
put that nowhere? It won't be worth
anything in 10 years.

698
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:30,880
We got stuff to do with this stuff, with
this money. We can't just sit on it.

699
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,760
» I didn't say
>> Mr. Benz. I'm not gonna

700
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:39,359
» You want it earmarked for a specific
purpose so it'll just sit there

701
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:45,400
» and you want us all just to rush to it
at 30%. The initial payment's over

702
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,400
$100,000.

703
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,559
» So you just want
>> you think that we could come to a

704
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:56,000
rational decision amongst council and
decide on some sort of number and a

705
00:54:52,559 --> 00:55:03,800
timeline. Well, dropping it right now,
that's not any kind of rational decision

706
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:03,800
at all. It's very rational.

707
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:12,079
» So, the motion made
>> racking my brain% Is there a motion on

708
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:16,760
the floor?
>> Motion has not been submitted yet.

709
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,760
» Yeah.

710
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:25,920
I just have to say like like Karen
mentioned, we have a lot of projects

711
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,280
that need to be done. Yes, Mr. Habertock
said, we do have a healthy reserve fund.

712
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:37,000
We have a lot of projects that need to
be done. And in the same breath,

713
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:37,000
you voted down some revenue as well.

714
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,559
» True.

715
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:48,640
It was a very difficult and personal
decision, but it's still my decision as

716
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,960
a council member nonetheless.
>> Bring the motion

717
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:55,280
» to each their own, of course. But I'm
stating

718
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,920
the obvious that, you know, it is
revenue that's also going

719
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:04,480
» someone like to recommend an amount for
us to possibly earmark that could be

720
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:08,880
acceptable to all of council. I'd like
to recommend a discussion about what

721
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:14,000
would be appropriate if
>> the avenue you want to go

722
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:18,079
» the appropriate where do we discuss this
we can discuss this at a later date

723
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:23,040
» I'm not sure of the protocol but I would
be glad to have that discussion but I

724
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:28,480
feel that it is important
>> should be if it's an item and it should

725
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:33,280
be an item for October's agenda for
proper discussion going on

726
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:37,760
uh particularly that procons to the
whole And that's we're dropping it right

727
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,640
here in a second. I can't support that.
>> Yeah. If you drop that now, it kind of

728
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:43,359
dies.
>> But [snorts] I'm saying

729
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:48,079
» if we vote against it, it dies. If you
want to bring this up at a later date

730
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:51,680
and discuss an appropriate amount or
something that we could look into, maybe

731
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,480
that's something we
>> That's fine. If I can have the assurance

732
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,839
of council that we can have that
discussion, we

733
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,799
» we can always have that discussion. But
dropping 30% on everybody, that's just

734
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:04,160
not
>> solicitor. Is that something in the

735
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,440
future public meeting that needs to be
discussed in public?

736
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,240
» You could Yeah. Right. In an agenda
meeting and when you have your

737
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,480
discussion, it could certainly be a
topic for discussion. And I I obviously

738
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,000
can't provide any advice. I don't know
if there are any rules or guidance on

739
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:22,000
this. I don't know. I think you might
want to just ask around to see if there

740
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,599
are any suggestions, restrictions
because without having advanced notice,

741
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:29,839
I don't know.
>> But if you kill it now, then it's done.

742
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:34,079
Like [snorts] if you propose it now,
motion it now, and it gets and it gets

743
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:40,799
voted down, you're not going to have
another option. Well, why can't she

744
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:48,400
adjust her motion to say, "I would like
to have a motion to at the next month's

745
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:54,640
agenda meeting to have a discussion on
the possibility of earmarking a a

746
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:58,799
percentage of
the revenue for insurance purposes." You

747
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,400
can do that. I don't
>> That would be way more appropriate that

748
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,079
on the
>> agenda. That's be way more appropriate.

749
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:09,280
» Have to be a motion. No, I mean it was
just stuff any month.

750
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,040
» I I go to the pre-aggenda meetings.
>> Um any month council knows that they can

751
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,720
have anything put on the agenda. So
since we're having this conversation

752
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,400
now, obviously Mike would, you know,
mark that as a note and put it on the

753
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:26,480
agenda. I don't think she needs to make
a motion now just to have a discussion.

754
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:29,200
Correct me if I'm wrong. right
>> for the October meeting.

755
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:36,000
» Yes, please.
>> Okay.

756
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:38,400
» So, we have a motion acted right now for
item [clears throat]

757
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:43,119
» to discuss.
>> So, do how do we withdraw that now

758
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:47,040
» or how do we let it?
>> I wouldn't worry about it. The motion

759
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:50,799
the agenda was not amended and it's
fine.

760
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,240
» Okay. Until later 19 and 20 then it's
amended.

761
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:56,480
» Okay.
>> Later on the agenda.

762
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:01,200
» Yeah. And I don't know if I'm at the
right spot, so you can tell me if I'm

763
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:06,079
allowed to speak right now, but I voted
no. And I'd like to state my reasons for

764
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,319
voting no. Do I do that right now? Is
this over now?

765
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:14,079
» I believe so.
>> Okay. Uh

766
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:20,559
my reasons for noting uh voting no on
agenda item 15 are as follows. Gilhal

767
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:25,200
Park acreage and Peters Creek acreage
together are a combined 31 acres of

768
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,280
public land owned by Jefferson
Hillsboro.

769
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:34,720
These parcels of land, this parcel of
land that is identified as Gilh Hall

770
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:41,040
Park was donated to Jefferson Hillsboro
by the GBU for $1.

771
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:45,520
The deed specifically states that the
only use of the land will be for

772
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:50,640
recreational purposes.
Jefferson Hills Burough Councils, past

773
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:56,400
and present, have abided by those
stipulations and have recently committed

774
00:59:53,599 --> 01:00:01,599
to upgrades to the park. They have
agreed to leave the historical building

775
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:06,720
intact while adding a new dimension to
its appearance and functions.

776
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:12,319
An updated playground and plans to add
field usage are moving forward along

777
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:17,119
with the redesign and renovation of the
building. The building would be able to

778
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,760
host parties and meetings with more
accessibility to the structure and

779
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:29,040
improved parking accommodations.
The cost of this project was originally

780
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:33,200
at 1.2, then went to 1.5, and in time it
might be $2 million.

781
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:38,000
Gil Hall Park will serve residents of
all ages with this new structure and the

782
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:43,920
basketball court, pickle ball courts,
fields, and playground.

783
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:48,640
on the EQT website for philanthropic
gestures and giving back to the

784
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:53,200
community. One of the first pictures I
located was of children playing on a

785
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:58,400
playground.
However, it was never discussed and no

786
01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:04,480
monetary donations have ever been
suggested or allocated for this project.

787
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:10,640
EQT has become the number one domestic
oil and gas company. It certainly could

788
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:15,920
have made a sizable and can still in the
present time make a sizable charitable

789
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:22,319
donation to this project to benefit the
JH community and the 500 JH residents

790
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:27,119
who have signed leases
and the burrow's JH community

791
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:33,680
recreational development of the Gil Hall
Park site. Thus far, no offer of any

792
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:39,040
donations have ever been made.
The second parcel of land is located on

793
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:45,680
Peters Creek Road. This road has been
awarded a grant of $550,000

794
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:51,119
to clean and add storm drains and repave
the road since it is identified as a

795
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:55,839
potential flood area. This area is used
for walking, enjoying nature, bicycling,

796
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:00,559
and fishing.
Peter's Creek and the Montour Trail have

797
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:06,160
maintained is maintained by volunteers
from both the Montour Trail Association

798
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:12,400
and the Triangular Association
Triang Tri-State Angular Association.

799
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:16,799
Recently, JH Burrow purchased the land
at the intersection of Gil Hall Road and

800
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:21,040
Peters Creek for additional parking.
This [snorts] area is another site that

801
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:26,720
would have benefited from some sort of
charitable consideration of a donation

802
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:30,960
from EQT.
Dr. Judith Kaufman expressed her

803
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,880
concerns at the hearing regarding
possible negative health issues on

804
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:39,920
children and adults visiting the
property. No baseline data for

805
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:45,440
longitudinal health studies regarding
negative effects on fracking on the

806
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:50,880
public have occurred. Currently, JH
Burrow operates a summer recreation

807
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:55,680
program at the Gil Hall Park site for
many children. Teenagers and adults

808
01:02:53,599 --> 01:03:00,960
frequently play pickup basketball games
and pickle ball games on that property.

809
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:05,839
Additional fields are being added. This
site is currently used for graduations,

810
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:10,720
baptisms, communions, and birthday
parties. with the renovations of this

811
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:16,240
building and the acreage and increase in
the J Jefferson Hills public usage of

812
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:21,839
this land increases.
I do agree with the protections that

813
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:26,480
were added to the EQT lease by John
Smith and I certainly appreciate him

814
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:31,119
working in conjunction with our
solicitor.

815
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:36,720
All right. on the many sections such as
the spring or well damage, the hold harm

816
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:42,240
clause, the no storage right clause, the
unit size leg uh limitations. His

817
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:47,520
deletions and additions have made and
allowed the JH burrow greater and more

818
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:52,400
stringent protections.
But however, due to the numerous

819
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:58,319
concerns that I have regarding fracking
under burrow public property, I have

820
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,200
voted no on agenda item the 15. Thank
you.

821
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:06,000
» Thank you. And Councilwoman Buuci, I I
understand and agree with 90% of what

822
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:12,799
you just said. What I don't understand
is when when you're discussing donations

823
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:16,880
and monetizations being given, we've had
a month. Why didn't you bring this up?

824
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:22,720
just thought because this has been very
fast and I would the first to say I

825
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:28,160
thought well I'm going to go on EQT site
and see what they're do if they are

826
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:35,680
philanthropic because I have been
thinking about this that even

827
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:41,680
steel barons made significant
philanthropic donations such as the

828
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:46,559
Carnegi Libraries and the Frick Museum
and the Fipps Conservatory All right.

829
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:51,280
This is a num this is the number one gas
company. I didn't realize that. All

830
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:57,599
right. So, I think that they could make
some donations here. when I see on their

831
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:03,920
website that they have made donations
and this is a play this is a

832
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:09,559
recreational uh playground just like I
saw on the screen and that's the reason

833
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:09,559
why

834
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:19,200
» if I may make a comment.
>> Sure.

835
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:24,960
» Council uh Councilwoman Pusy I 100%
agree with you on those items.

836
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:32,000
What I've seen in my brief time here and
as a lifelong resident of this burrow,

837
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:38,000
Jefferson Hills has a negative uh
reputation with businesses.

838
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:42,880
You know, here's EQT, which is, you
know, they do maintain stuff on there.

839
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:47,520
Uh I've reached out myself personally
with US Steel and other companies to

840
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,160
help in different areas. But that's part
of like with EAC

841
01:05:51,280 --> 01:06:00,319
and how do we reach out to our resident
or businesses of this bureau

842
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:04,559
you know do we how do we ever contact
when do we actually embrace them when do

843
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:08,240
we say hey how you been doing across the
board I mean it's not just one item of

844
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:12,720
EQ it's across the board with all these
companies of participation that was one

845
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:20,319
of the conversation I had with the the
AAC excuse me the EDC excuse

846
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:26,200
is large corporations always have monies
for

847
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,200
communities

848
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:34,960
and you again with your guys' time four
years ago and other councils and all

849
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:40,559
that we don't have a really a way or we
have had a practice of being like hey

850
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:45,760
can you guys help us
look at the existing industrial stuff

851
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:49,760
along the M River right
Look at some of the other large

852
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:53,200
companies we have in the burrow. Do we
ever embrace them, talk to them, or even

853
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:57,760
say anything except for sending them a
tax bill?

854
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:01,440
» Fasci
among a few others, I guess.

855
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:06,079
» But meaning very much about meaning it's
it's a small scale. You know, we do not

856
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:10,480
make a good relationship with folks out
there.

857
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:13,520
» We got change at
>> I 100% agree.

858
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,200
» Right. And that's back to I've been
struggling is again with the

859
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:21,119
conversation with ED EDC. How do we
start embracing that? How do we change

860
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:26,079
our reputation? How do we say again
Jefferson Hills is open to move forward?

861
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,000
We're still stuck in the past and you
know these good parts and that's even as

862
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:34,000
we looking with the hockey we had some
small folks out there but we got to find

863
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:39,920
a way to get out there and publicize is
saying hey we got 13,000 great residents

864
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:44,400
here. We got 13,000 residents who have
money in their wallet. We have 13,000

865
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:49,520
residents that spend their dollars
everywhere except for Jefferson Hills.

866
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:53,119
We have all these businesses and all
that and we don't have that relationship

867
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,400
built.
>> That's what we're trying to work on.

868
01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:02,240
» I will make a note though, this is quite
a nefarious company to welcome as they

869
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:07,359
have been in and out of court
over the past decade over a lot of

870
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:13,359
situations that have gone ary in
communities.

871
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:17,679
» 100% agreed. but they're here.
And that's, you know, I just I

872
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,679
appreciate the thoughts and all that,
but again, I think of stuff differently.

873
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:28,560
It's like, yeah, we want to protect
these two small lots of the burrow,

874
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:33,520
but if there's an accident,
it's not just going to be refined in

875
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:36,400
just the dotted lines on a paper map. It
may be 20 lots around that the section

876
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,920
where
>> and those residents may have already

877
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:42,799
signed leases, right, as well. and they
are not going to have that level

878
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:47,279
granularity
that we've had. We started off with good

879
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:52,080
level of granularity beforehand and we
got it even better, but I'll bet a very

880
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:57,600
strong dollar that a lot of the
residents do not have anything close

881
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:02,000
to what we have. So, if there's a
problem, it's not just going to be our

882
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:06,960
little our little parcel of ground. It's
going to impact a lot of other folks.

883
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:13,279
» Could I just add to that, too? Um, in
regards to my yes vote, um, the fact

884
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:16,319
that Solicitor Smith had made who
everybody recommended, I didn't know him

885
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,839
before the public hearing. I'm so
grateful that you all did recommend him

886
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,960
coming because I felt thoroughly
educated by the information he had to

887
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:29,839
share. Um, he had said our solicitor did
such a fantastic job um, with the lease

888
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:33,759
agreement and the fact that it was a
non-surface

889
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:40,080
drilling. he said covered and he said it
covered any environmental concerns that

890
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:44,640
he had. So the fact that he said that um
along with the other remarks that were

891
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:50,080
made that that eased my any concerns
that I had were eased at that point um

892
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,560
and you know the issues that you know
people were concerned with uh Peters

893
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,320
Creek. There's already uh what is it?
Five pipes.

894
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:01,280
» Mhm.
>> Five pipes already drilled beneath

895
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:06,000
Peters Creek. Um one and a half miles
from it below. Right.

896
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:11,760
» Yeah. Below.
>> Yeah.

897
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:19,280
Um and they also said any spills I'm
sorry, Rick Moore's um presentation, any

898
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:22,960
spills will not affect Peters Creek. Um
I don't know. All three presentations

899
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:29,120
that we had I thought were very well
done, very well educated and um I feel

900
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:34,239
comfortable with my vote in that. So
>> same. I certainly had a number of

901
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:39,920
reservations um going into this right
>> and with

902
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:45,120
ascertaining Mr. Smith's help and um and
the presentation by the EAC. Um it

903
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:50,159
certainly relieved.
Listen, I go through life with a lot of

904
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:56,080
whatifs as well and it c anything can
happen, but you narrow down the the

905
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:59,360
educational value that we got from those
presentations. Mr. Smith basically

906
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:04,960
looked at us and said we would be silly
not to sign a lease in a nutshell. Um

907
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,199
because of the fact that our parcels are
surrounded by so many residents who

908
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:12,960
probably I mean EQT gave the number
already of how many leases they've

909
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,600
already had signed by residents. 500
>> that that are going to that are going to

910
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:21,600
be impacting around these parcels.
>> So for me it was a matter of the money

911
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:24,800
or not.
>> Right? This wasn't a vote whether we

912
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:29,280
were allowing
them in our burrow. It was whether or

913
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:34,800
not we are going to take revenue for
them to do what they're already going to

914
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:39,840
do regardless.
And I think that we have that

915
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:44,360
responsibility too to take any possible
revenue that we can for the bureau.

916
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:51,600
» Um, thank you all for the conversation.
So, we will make sure to put that agenda

917
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:55,520
item on next month's agenda for
discussion.

918
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:58,960
Um, okay. Number 16, [clears throat]
motion to authorize the preparation and

919
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:02,159
advertisement of an ordinance amending
the Burough Code to update noise and

920
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,239
vibration regulations.
>> Motion. Motion by Councilman Ben, second

921
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,199
by Counciloman Rece. All those in favor
say I. I.

922
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:14,320
» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 17. Motion to

923
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:18,000
approve quote number 8162026
from Graham River Production in the

924
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:22,400
amount of $5,800
for the purchase and installation of a

925
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,880
projector for the community room.
>> Motion.

926
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:28,320
» Motion by Councilwoman Buccy. Second,
second by Vice President Pollock. All

927
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,040
those in favor say I. I.
>> Any opposed?

928
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:35,760
» Motion carries.
>> Number 18. Motion to distribute $280,000

929
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:41,120
to the Jefferson Hills Public Library
for the 2026 contribution form

930
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,960
or contribution from the Burrow of
Jefferson Hills.

931
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,040
» Motion.
>> Motion by Councilwoman.

932
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,320
» Second.
>> Second by Vice President Pollock. All

933
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:51,040
those in favor say I. I.
>> Any opposed?

934
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:55,199
» Motion carries.
>> Number 19. Motion to amend the agenda to

935
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:58,239
address the purchase of a 10-tonon truck
from Elizabeth Township.

936
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,560
» Motion.
>> Second.

937
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:04,560
» Motion by Councilwoman Buy. Second by
Vice President Pollock. All those in

938
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,760
favor say I. I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 20. Motion to

939
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:14,000
authorize the purchase of Before we go
into that, Mr. Haverstock, would you

940
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:20,320
mind um explaining what this 10-tonon
truck was going to replace?

941
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:25,440
» Yes. So, Elizabeth Township reached out.
They're selling three 10 ton trucks. Um

942
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:29,840
I called the public works director and
he and the mechanic went over and looked

943
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,960
at them. um said it would be great fit.
They're in great shape. There's to

944
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:38,159
purchase one of them and then we will
get rid of two of the current old

945
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:42,800
one-tonon trucks. One immediately and
one at the end of this winter.

946
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:46,000
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Number 20. Motion to authorize the

947
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,120
purchase of a 10-tonon truck from
Elizabeth Township in the amount of

948
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:52,719
$52,500
plus two weeks of vac truck service.

949
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,560
» A motion.
>> Motion by Councilwoman Buucy, second by

950
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:01,440
Councilman Bence. All those fa in favor
say I. I any opposed?

951
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:08,080
» And I'd just like to make a comment. Um
I would I appreciate the fact that our

952
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:15,679
uh finance director uh took advantage of
that and because we have money in

953
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:20,360
reserve. All right. Cash is king and
we're able to make some of these things

954
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,360
happen.

955
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:27,520
Number 21. Motion to accept the quote
obtained on behalf of the bureau by its

956
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:32,400
broker of record, Duncan Insurance Group
from Selective Insurance for the Bureau

957
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:36,880
of Jefferson Hills 2026 insurance policy
renewal in the amount of $32,824.

958
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:38,880
» A motion.
>> Motion by Councilman Bence.

959
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:44,000
» Second.
>> Second by Vice President Pollock. All

960
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:48,800
those in favor say I. I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 22. Motion to

961
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,880
renew the contract from Ford Office
Technologies for the rental and service

962
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:58,400
of copy machines for 36 months in the
amount of $993 per month or $11,916

963
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:01,440
per year.
>> A motion.

964
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:04,400
» Motion by Councilwoman, second by
Councilman Bence. All those in favor say

965
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:08,719
I. I.
>> Any opposed?

966
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:12,560
» Motion carries. Number 23. Motion to
approve application for payment number

967
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:19,440
one and final from Minfield Demolition
Services LLC in the amount of $32,500

968
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:24,000
for work completed on the year 50 CDBG
demolitions subject to the receipt of an

969
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:27,040
invoice from Shayog.
>> A motion

970
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,440
» motion by Vice President Pollock.
>> Second

971
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,880
» second by uh Councilwoman Buucy. All
those in favor say I.

972
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:37,520
» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 24. Motion to

973
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:44,520
approve application for payment number
one contract A from Tresco Paving

974
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,520
Corporation in the amount of $476,7714

975
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:51,440
work completed on the 2026 road program.
>> Motion

976
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:54,960
» motion by Council Councilman Bence,
second Vice President Pollock. All those

977
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,600
in favor say I. I.
>> I.

978
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:01,760
» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 25. Motion to

979
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:08,199
approve application for payment number
one contract B from Tresco Paving

980
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,199
Corporation in the amount of $513,62.84

981
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:15,760
work completed on the 2026 road program.
>> A motion second.

982
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:20,320
» Motion by Vice President Pollock, second
by Councilman Bence. All those in favor

983
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:24,159
say I. I. [clears throat] Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 26. Motion to

984
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,600
authorize the preparation and
advertisement of the Caster Farms

985
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:31,280
acceptance ordinance.
>> Motion. Motion by Councilman Bence,

986
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,280
second by Vice President Pollock. All
those in favor say I.

987
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,800
» I.
>> Any opposed?

988
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:41,520
» Motion carries.
>> Number 27. Motion to approve work

989
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:45,679
authorization dated August 26, 2026 from
Gateway Engineers Incorporated for

990
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:50,320
redesign and bidding services for Te
Park improvements phase one project in

991
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,960
the amount not to exceed $8,500.
>> A motion.

992
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:55,199
» Motion by Vice President Pollock.
>> Second.

993
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:58,560
» Second by Councilwoman Bucci. All those
in favor say I.

994
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:02,880
» Any opposed?
Motion carries.

995
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:07,840
Number 28. Motion to adopt resolution
20-2026 adopting the Burough Jefferson

996
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,239
Hills comprehensive plan as the official
comprehensive plan of the burrow.

997
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,199
» Motion.
>> Motion by sorry, Councilman Bence.

998
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,719
» Second.
>> Second by Vice President Pollock. All

999
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:23,600
those in favor say I. I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Number 29. Motion to

1000
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:27,679
approve work authorization dated August
27th, 2026 from Gateway Engineers

1001
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:31,440
Incorporated for the civil engineering
services for the evaluation of the

1002
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:36,719
intersection of Waterman West and
Cochran Mill Road in the amount not to

1003
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:39,600
exceed $6,000.
>> I'll motion.

1004
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,719
» Motion by Councilwoman Buucy, second by
Vice President Pollock. All those in

1005
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:46,560
favor say I. I.
>> Any opposed?

1006
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:50,320
» Motion carries.
Number 30, motion to approve the

1007
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:54,640
developers agreement regarding the Oilio
plan. Number one, sanitary sewer

1008
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,520
extension.
>> A motion.

1009
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,679
» Motion by Councilman Bence.
>> Second.

1010
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:06,159
» Second by Vice President Pollock. All
those in favor say I. I. Any opposed?

1011
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:09,280
» Motion carries. Number 31. Motion to
advertise the public hearing for

1012
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:15,360
conditional use application number
CU-1-2026

1013
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:20,960
for 1450, Route 51, parcel number
766-J-80

1014
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:25,360
on October 7th, 2026 at blank time.
>> A motion.

1015
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:28,800
» Do we want to put a time in there?
>> Did we already think?

1016
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:32,880
» So, I took a look at the the application
and I took a look at our zoning

1017
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,239
ordinance and talked to Mark Reese a
little bit about it earlier today. So,

1018
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:41,360
this is categorized as an indoor
recreational facility and there are 10

1019
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:46,960
conditions associated with that. So, at
face it doesn't seem like uh

1020
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:50,640
like we need a whole hour, but you just
sometimes you never know how those go.

1021
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:53,280
So, yeah, I'd almost rather still do six
just to be safe. Okay, that's just my

1022
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,040
recommendation.
>> We can do six.

1023
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,920
» I second.
>> Okay. Motion by Councilwoman MZ for 6

1024
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:05,679
PM. Second by Councilman Bence. All
those in favor say I.

1025
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:09,679
» Any opposed? Motion carries.
Number 32, Burr Resident Taxpayer

1026
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:14,239
comments on non-aggenda items. I do have
one here.

1027
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:18,560
This is from Meg Dippled and Jeremy
Chabers, 801 Sha Court. Jeremy

1028
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:23,600
[clears throat] and I are new residents
of the Jefferson Hillsboro 801 Shan

1029
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,960
Court 15025 and are excited to be in the
neighborhood. Traveling in the area has

1030
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:31,520
brought up some concerns for us, our
family, and our friends coming to and

1031
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:35,679
from. Many of us are deaf or heart of
hearing. As licensed drivers, we're

1032
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:40,080
unable to hear honks and horns to safely
navigate the tunnels. Some of us are

1033
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:45,440
bicyclists, so that is concerning to us
as well. Title two of the ADA, equal

1034
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:49,280
access to public services. Title two
mandates that local governments ensure

1035
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:53,600
their services, programs, and activities
are accessible to individuals with

1036
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:57,440
disabilities. Requiring a driver to rely
on auditory cues listing for a horn to

1037
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:02,080
safely navigate a public roadway
excludes deaf and heart of hearing

1038
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:06,640
drivers from safe passage.
While ADA guidelines focus heavily on a

1039
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:10,800
pedestrian pathways like accessible
pedestrian signals, forcing drivers to

1040
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:16,719
use hearing as a primary safety
mechanism directly conflicts with equal

1041
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:20,080
access principles. We saw that the
waterman and co um Cochran Mill were

1042
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:24,239
going to be dis considered for
evaluation. And while we do not yet

1043
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,600
understand what that entails, we wanted
to bring the following to your attention

1044
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:31,040
for the betterment of our community.
Waterman tunnel at Cochran Mill

1045
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:34,960
intersection. This tunnel expects you to
use your horn and listen for others

1046
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:38,159
prior to entering. There is no stop or
yield sign approaching the intersection

1047
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:42,080
on either side. There is no convex
mirror or visual signaling system to

1048
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:46,480
allow deaf and heart of hearing drivers
to navigate through this tunnel safely.

1049
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:50,800
For comparison, the Stilly Tunnel at
Cochran Mill intersection has a convex

1050
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:55,120
mirror that allows drivers to see the
other side of the tunnel. The Piney Fork

1051
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:59,760
tunnel near the Greenman Tunnel, Montour
Trail. The tunnel here expects you to

1052
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:04,000
use your horn and listen for others
prior to entering with your vehicle. As

1053
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:07,920
a deaf bicyclist, I am unable to hear
vehicles enter from the other side of

1054
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:12,960
the tunnel and enter this tunnel
blindly. There can be a mirror or light

1055
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:17,920
signaling system for both vehicles and
bicyclists to benefit from for their

1056
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:22,320
safety. Snowden Road was closed at the
time of our move. So, if there is a

1057
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:26,800
tunnel there, we'd like to we'd like
that to be evaluated for ADA compliance

1058
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:31,360
and accessibility as well. We will
appreciate guidance on next steps we can

1059
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:35,520
take to continue to voice our concerns
until they are addressed.

1060
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,280
» I'd like to talk a little bit about
this. So, [clears throat]

1061
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:44,159
more specifically, I'd like to address
the uh agenda item number 29 uh the work

1062
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:48,480
authorization for Gateway because that's
sort of I think helped prompt this uh

1063
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:52,800
from the resident and I didn't get an
opportunity or or I missed it last last

1064
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:56,880
week to give a uh give an update on on
what that was for. So when we were doing

1065
01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:01,840
the vehicle size restriction studies
with Gateway um a year or so ago, uh one

1066
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:08,639
of the some of the feedback we were
getting was was similar to the geometry

1067
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:13,120
and this uh single lane tunnel which is
owned by the railroad

1068
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:17,040
and what we could do to to make that
better. And uh that's something I talked

1069
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:21,520
with the traffic engineer from Gateway
Kyle Brown about you know what are our

1070
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:26,080
options here because uh and it sort of
went hand inand with the Stilly tunnel

1071
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:30,800
uh you know trying to get you Still is a
little wider but um but you know there's

1072
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:35,520
really you're sort of limited what you
can do there. Uh we we had discussions

1073
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:39,440
on you making Stillia one way down and
Waterman West one way up. While that

1074
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:42,480
would solve the problem that would not
be very popular for you know residents

1075
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:46,080
that have lived in that area for a
while. And one of the other ideas that

1076
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:50,320
uh Kyle threw out there for the Wireman
West tunnel specifically uh we don't

1077
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:55,840
think this will work for Philly tunnel
is uh turning it into a uh signalized

1078
01:22:54,239 --> 01:23:01,440
intersection. So you'd queue up traffic
on Cochenville Road and uh up Waterman

1079
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:05,520
West as well. And it gets a little bit
of into a little bit of a gray area

1080
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:10,560
because even though Waterman West is a
you know burrow road and Cocker Mill is

1081
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:14,159
a county road, it still requires Pendot
approval. So Pendleot still has

1082
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:19,199
ultimate, you know, authority or
jurisdiction over any new proposed

1083
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:23,920
traffic signals, uh, even if it's not on
one of their roads. So Kyle had some

1084
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:29,440
discussions with, uh, Pendot about this
and, uh, they weren't necessarily

1085
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:32,000
opposed to this concept and, uh, but
they we need to get some more

1086
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:37,120
information for them to make that
decision. So you this work authorization

1087
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:43,360
is to uh, do some additional traffic
analysis down here. Uh we'll probably do

1088
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:46,320
some um some traffic counts as well uh
to get a better idea of what we're

1089
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:52,400
seeing come in there, some collaboration
with the county also. And uh the idea is

1090
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:56,639
to to sort of square up what this would
look like with PennDOT and then also

1091
01:23:54,400 --> 01:24:00,560
develop a cost estimate because
intersections are not cheap as one can

1092
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:06,159
imagine. They're definitely a couple
hundred thousand. So, we're doing this

1093
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,760
in uh well in advance of a multimmoal
grant that we'll pursue again uh you

1094
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:14,239
know next year. Uh this year the
multimmoal grants we were we have two

1095
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:20,239
years ago we went for uh Peters Creek
Road which we got the $550,000 for to

1096
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:24,719
pave Peters Creek Road and then this
year we applied to do some paving on

1097
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:29,120
West Brew. Uh presumably next year
though uh we'll we'll be uh looking for

1098
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:32,320
another project then this is something
that you know I've been down there I've

1099
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:35,760
I've turned into that tunnel many of
times and you know it's uh I think

1100
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:40,239
that's something that we could improve
as well. So that's what that specific

1101
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:44,960
work authorization is for. Uh just
regarding the overall uh comment we got

1102
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:49,600
um for clarification purposes, the Piny
Fork tunnel is in South Park

1103
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:53,840
» and uh the Snowden tunnel, I don't think
it's even open, but that's I think when

1104
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:57,760
they did the turnpike that that was that
was abandoned. I think right now it's a

1105
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:02,239
fishing pier uh down in South Park. So
you can they question though.

1106
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:07,360
» Wouldn't wouldn't ADA compliance only
strengthen our position on that?

1107
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,639
» I mean we could bring them into the fold
>> for with PENDOT.

1108
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:14,000
» Yeah. I mean, yeah, for any of that,
>> um, a lot of the expense we could

1109
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,840
probably push off on them, too.
>> Mhm.

1110
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:18,080
» I mean, I don't know about threatening
litigation or anything, but I mean, they

1111
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,639
have a valid
>> and the railroad. We've had this

1112
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:23,199
conversation about the railroad.
>> The sign is just there. I mean, [snorts]

1113
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:27,760
» yeah,
>> it's actually just telling us there's an

1114
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:31,600
issue there. That's sometimes like we
talked about the concave mirrors that

1115
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:34,239
just is showing everyone there's an
issue here that

1116
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:36,159
» we're trying to solve with a mirror
which

1117
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,639
» doesn't really solve anything because
once that mirror breaks or damaged

1118
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:43,120
» liability
>> things go crazy then they're like why

1119
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,239
don't you fix the mirror? Well
>> fix

1120
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:50,480
» yeah it just the liability is there.
we're trying to do it the right thing by

1121
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:55,040
advising our, you know, the residents
and stuff, but in the end, you're just

1122
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,760
pointing out that there's an issue there
>> a lot with a lot of that.

1123
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:02,480
» And I hate to say that, I mean, every
every single issue that she pointed out

1124
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:07,199
here is not going to have a very quick
>> turn for especially if it has to deal

1125
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,880
with PENDOT and grants and things. But I
mean, with the ADA thing though, I mean,

1126
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:15,360
if they they're on board and they want
to push that, I mean, through litigation

1127
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:20,159
or whatever, I'm sure there's
some,

1128
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:24,800
you know, people out there that do that
for, you know, a living that, you know,

1129
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:29,679
fight. Burough manager Glister and uh
President Stephy, I think that it would

1130
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:35,440
be beneficial if you would contact
Representative Kuzma

1131
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:42,080
» and he had they have a direct link with
PennDOT and say that we have a resident

1132
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:46,320
who is deaf. They cannot hear that horn
going through there. And at least they

1133
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:50,800
could, it might be temporary, but at
least they could put the mirrors up

1134
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:56,000
» and they could do something while these
people are traveling there. But if you

1135
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,159
would contact them, I know they have had
much faster results.

1136
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,760
» Okay.
>> With PENDOT.

1137
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,080
» Okay.
>> Well, that was one of the other things I

1138
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,600
was going to add is that we'll
definitely um you know, we appreciate

1139
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:09,360
this being brought attention uh to our
attention and uh you I do plan on

1140
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,840
reaching out to Kyle Brown from Gateway
to see what his thoughts are, see if

1141
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:15,760
he's run into this because he's familiar
with some odd intersections. So, we can

1142
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,960
add uh you know, Kusma's office to that
list as well. But we'll see what the um

1143
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:25,600
you know there's what our options are
and um and then also to the point of the

1144
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:30,320
mirrors you know we we do follow
Pendot's guidance on that as well and

1145
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,760
that we do not um you know install any
new mirrors anymore just because of the

1146
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:37,760
liability associated with them. And it's
also you know this tunnel creates an

1147
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:41,120
interesting scenario as well because the
the road below the tunnel belongs to us.

1148
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:44,480
The tunnel itself belongs to the
railroad and then the road we tie into

1149
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:47,760
on the opposite side of the tunnel is a
county road. So, there's going to have

1150
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:51,360
to be some uh some coordination as well
between those entities. Maybe not so

1151
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:55,840
much the railroad, but definitely the uh
the county and the burrow. Um which is

1152
01:27:53,840 --> 01:28:00,800
all which is uh you know, good timing
because I do have a county or a meeting

1153
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:04,800
with the uh um Jean Statler from the
county. She's head of roads in Alageney

1154
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:09,840
County. I have uh a meeting with her
later this week. So, I can add this to

1155
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:12,320
our agenda to discuss. But um
>> yeah, I just want to touch on that that

1156
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:16,080
we'll we'll take a look into it, see
what uh you know what the implications

1157
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,080
are, what how this is handled elsewhere.
And um

1158
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:20,159
» and in the meantime, let's see if there
is something temporary that we can

1159
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:24,080
provide.
>> Yep. Don't ride your bikes in Waterman

1160
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:25,920
Tunnel. That's
>> Yes.

1161
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:29,400
» I did see a biker come out of there and
it was startling.

1162
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:35,440
» Council Ben doesn't like bikes.
>> No, I like bikes [laughter] fine, but

1163
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:39,840
seeing a bike rider come out of the
tunnel the other day, I was like, whoa.

1164
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,840
That's something I wouldn't
>> recommend.

1165
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,840
» I wouldn't recommend for anybody to be
honest.

1166
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:45,440
» I was going to add that with see if the
chief had any additional guidance on

1167
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,679
that.
>> Yeah, chief.

1168
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:51,840
» I agree with that.
>> Yeah, I mean the other way.

1169
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:54,000
» Go down Gil Hall all the way to Pont 24.
>> You know that that would be my

1170
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:57,120
recommendation. Y
>> it's dangerous for cars going through

1171
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,199
there, let alone bikes.
>> Yeah,

1172
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:04,600
» no doubt.
>> Okay, general business. We're going to

1173
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:04,600
start with Vice President Pollock.

1174
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:12,239
» That's catching me off guard. Good. Very
good. [laughter]

1175
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:15,600
Um, again, great interaction with our
residents. You know, this is what it's

1176
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:19,679
all about. Lisa, appreciate again your
help and guidance with everything. Um, I

1177
01:29:18,616 --> 01:29:23,760
[clears throat] would like to pass on
some sad news

1178
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:31,440
uh with the passing of Michael Doc
Kohish. Doc was a lifelong resident of

1179
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:36,080
the burrow in 1964, graduate of TJ. Dark
served on council for 12 years. Mayor of

1180
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:43,440
the Burough also knew him as a TJ boy
soccer coach for 34 years and he's

1181
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:49,360
ending with a record of 465 wins, 192
losses, and 41 ties. My condolences to

1182
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,440
his wife Helen and to his son Michael.
That's all.

1183
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:56,560
» Thank you.
>> Um, Councilwoman Marz,

1184
01:29:53,840 --> 01:30:01,280
» also Lisa, thank you for all of your
continued information. Um, we really

1185
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:03,040
appreciate it. Um, and just a comment.
I'm sorry.

1186
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:08,080
» It's a good team.
>> I'm sure. Yes, we we're grateful. Thank

1187
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:13,679
you. Um, and just a comment about the
presentation um on lobes. I know Mr.

1188
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:18,480
D'Angelo already left, but um a thank
you to him and all the members of the

1189
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:23,600
historical society and their dedication
to um preserving our veterans grave

1190
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:29,600
sites. I commend them for that.
>> Certainly, Council Marc.

1191
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:34,639
» Thank you. Um, just for the record, I
want you to know that I did thoroughly

1192
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:40,159
read this lease uh over the weekend and
spent a lot of time evaluating every

1193
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:44,639
step of this. And I've also read many
other leases in collaboration with Lisa

1194
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:50,080
and I. We've worked together for many
years now. Um, I did not take this

1195
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:55,120
decision lightly and put in a lot of
homework. And also my yes vote for the

1196
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:59,520
comprehensive plan is hopeful that you
will continue to work with our residents

1197
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:07,280
in T park which I'm assured that we will
do so. And um a thank you to Mr.

1198
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:12,080
D'Angelo and the historical society for
the information and their efforts to

1199
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:17,280
help uh with the cemetery and the
property moving forward.

1200
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:23,760
And lastly, um,
my sympathies to Helen and Michael as my

1201
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:30,239
dad was a very good friend of Docs and
our family and it is very sad news and

1202
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:33,600
my heart goes out to the entire family.
That's all I have. Thank you.

1203
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:38,400
» Thank you, Councilman Benz.
>> Nothing for me. Thank you,

1204
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:44,639
» Counciloman Rto. I'm sorry, Buy.
>> Uh, thank you. I'd also like to thank uh

1205
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:49,040
both Lisa and Mr. D'Angelo for their
presentations.

1206
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:55,840
Uh, I would also like to thank all of
the members of council for being

1207
01:31:52,560 --> 01:32:00,719
respectful and allowing people to have
diverse opinions. This is how we

1208
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:05,600
continue to grow and how we continue to
move forward.

1209
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:10,159
And I would like to consider having this
and that it was one of the reasons why I

1210
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:14,960
asked uh Mr. Haberstock about the
budget. [clears throat] I think when

1211
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:19,520
people came to answer about the
comprehensive plan, they may not have

1212
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:24,719
been aware that this building was built
in 1990

1213
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:28,239
and as a result of that, it needs some
overhaul.

1214
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:33,600
And you know, they didn't write, well,
let's get a new roof. Let's get a new

1215
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:41,840
air he air and heating con uh cooling
system. Let's fix the front windows that

1216
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:48,560
fog up, etc. So since that's not even a
consideration in the plan and the budget

1217
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:54,719
is coming up, I would like to maybe put
on next month's agenda that we have a

1218
01:32:51,600 --> 01:33:01,040
motion to start a capital improvement
plan because this is more structural.

1219
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:06,560
All right? And
many employees in this building have

1220
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:11,679
told me that both the roof and the air
and heating cooling system are held

1221
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:18,159
together with three things. Band-aids,
bubble gum, and duct tape. And I think

1222
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:25,679
we need to address that, you know, to
have a plan for years out. And it's it's

1223
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:30,880
also going to have us have to s uh apply
for RAD grants because they start that

1224
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:35,760
you have to spend a minimum of $1
million and you might have to match

1225
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:43,040
that. So, I think we need to start
thinking too about our capital uh plan

1226
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:49,360
projects in addition to recreation
because a roof doesn't last 36 years and

1227
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:54,239
not need some maintenance on it or
something to happen. So, I'd like to

1228
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:59,760
publicly say that and if that could be
put on the agenda to form a committee

1229
01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:05,920
and to start working on that.
And my condolences to Doc's family,

1230
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:09,280
Helen and Michael. They are also friends
of mine and we will miss him terribly.

1231
01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:14,800
Thank you.
>> Thank you. Yeah, we talked extensively

1232
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:18,000
about the um the actual burrow building
today in our finance committee with

1233
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:23,520
Councilwoman Merz and Vice President
Pollock as well with Mr. Haverstock and

1234
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:29,679
Mr. Glister. Um we certainly see
what is potentially happening around the

1235
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:32,800
staff and around us. Um I I don't
necessarily know if we need do we need

1236
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,840
another committee for the capital
improvements?

1237
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:40,960
» Well, it could even be on council. You
know, you know, because the the average

1238
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:45,440
citizen isn't going to know about this
structure. All right. [snorts] But, you

1239
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:49,840
know, we could maybe some people might
want to. I I I'm not sure, but I know I

1240
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:54,400
think that we need to have some kind of
plan for this because it's costly.

1241
01:34:52,960 --> 01:35:01,040
» I certainly think grow up one though,
right? Not a capital one.

1242
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:03,280
» Yeah, we had a renovation plan um done
by MLAN.

1243
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:06,159
» That was a red.
>> Yeah, the um

1244
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:11,600
» we're talking maintenance.
>> I don't I think

1245
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:18,400
uh that's a lot of um
irons in the fire with doing another

1246
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:21,840
commit. I'd certainly go on the um on
the advice of staff, you know. So,

1247
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:26,639
you're talking about a committee that
you want to either have counsel.

1248
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:31,440
» Yes. Identify things that need to be
done in the I we already do that

1249
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:35,600
» and prioritize and prioritize what are
we going to do first, second, third. We

1250
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:38,960
need to have I asked for that. I wanted
to know what what is our priorities

1251
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:42,800
here.
>> Okay. I think council we should decide

1252
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:47,440
that. I think that should be decided
>> as [snorts] a whole. Um and we can

1253
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:51,679
certainly do whatever we need to do to
spell that on out on the agenda and have

1254
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:56,080
those conversations for sure. The only
thing is if you have a capital

1255
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:59,600
improvement plan, you get a lot more
grant money,

1256
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,040
» you know. So that's why if we just put
it in a plan,

1257
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:05,120
» Yeah.
>> then it's more beneficial for us.

1258
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:12,000
» That's fine. Yeah. I think that would be
great for us to um contribute as a whole

1259
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:15,840
um with staff's
guidance. Were you going to say

1260
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:18,400
something? You're grabbing. No, I was
just going to say the direction

1261
01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:21,120
[clears throat] from today is that, you
know, Brian and I are going to work with

1262
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:26,239
Kevin Turkel, the architect that's
working with us in the GBU uh regarding

1263
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:31,040
um the roof just with all the rain we've
had in August, the you know, 11 plus

1264
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:35,199
inches and we've had to expose some
issues here that we know we've had, but

1265
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:39,360
it's they've it's really exposed some
and uh we're going to talk to them about

1266
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:42,480
getting a start putting together a scope
and cost for that. I think that would be

1267
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:46,080
priority number one. HBAC number two.
But um we're going to start actually uh

1268
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:49,360
rather than hypothesizing or discussing
it, start actually putting in numbers

1269
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,840
and scope to it so we can start pursuing
grants for that purpose.

1270
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,360
» Yeah.
>> That way we know where we are

1271
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:58,880
financially too.
>> Okay. All right. I don't have anything

1272
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:01,440
for discussion. So with that, I'll take
a motion to adjurnn. Motion.

1273
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:04,400
» Second.
>> Motion by Councilman Bence, second by

1274
01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:10,760
Vice President Pollock. All those in
favor say I. I. Meeting adjourned at

1275
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,760
8:37 p.m.