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We'll call the meeting to order. I'll
start by reading the open statement.

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This is the special public hearing of
the special public hearing of the
Louisville Metro Planning Commission

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to hear case number 26 LDC 0001,

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proposed land development code
amendments related to neighborhood
housing,

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as advertised and docketed for
hearing today.

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Public notice has been provided and
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residence prior to making your
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Today's hearings will proceed as
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Staff will present a summary of the
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Any person wishing to speak on the
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Pursuant to KRS chapter 61 and the
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the commission's deliberations and
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immediately following the public
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of this commission.

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Roll call, please.

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Leonard?

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I'm asked the staff to please stand
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Raise your right hand, do you swear
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testimony that you're going to give
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All right, thank you.

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Once again, we're here for 26 LDC
0001, which is a

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land development code text amendment
regarding neighborhood housing.

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Our case manager is Joel Doc, I'll
turn it over to you, Joe.

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Yeah, good evening.

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Uh, Joe Doc, Louisville Metro's
office of planning, it's a pleasure
to be before you

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all tonight, uh, to present this
regulation that's been many years,
um, in the works.

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Um, so this is 26 LDC one for
neighborhood housing.

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So this is a text amendment that's
guided, uh, like all land use
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by the comprehensive plan.

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Uh, specifically those goals,
objectives, and policies and the
chase principles,

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uh, known as, uh, that are connected,
healthy, authentic, sustainable, and
equitable.

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It's also being driven by a council
resolution adopted in, uh, 2020,

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uh, that set into motion a
comprehensive review of the land
development code.

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And requested the planning commission
to bring forward recommendations

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for more equitable and inclusive
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Uh, the changes presented in this
staff report, um, build upon many
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of outreach and engagement with the
community, uh,

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respond to the feedback that we've
received during this outreach and
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and incorporate best practices in
planning research and data.

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Uh, the changes also represent a
continuation of amendments that have
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been adopted, um, in the spirit of
Resolution

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82 series 2020 and the comprehensive
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Notably, accessory dwelling units or
ADUs.

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Uh, changes to our child care
regulations to increase access.

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Uh, changes to manufactured or
factory built housing to again,
increase access

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to different housing options across
our community.

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And, uh, allowances for urban
agriculture on, uh, vacant

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spaces throughout the community.

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The changes, um, proposed tonight
emphasize increasing

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housing choice to fit more people's
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Individuals looking to age in place,
retirees, new

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home buyers, uh, folks that.

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find themselves in transition,

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employers, employees.

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Um, it is really designed to

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uh bring about choices and allow

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for flexibility in our land use

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regulation uh to meet everybody

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where they are.

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It prioritizes areas with existing

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infrastructure like complete street
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uh transit services, sewers and
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Um, and the regulations also

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strive to create understandable and
streamlined procedures.

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Um, specifically along commercial

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corridors and within the urban core.

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There are three main categories of

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changes being proposed uh tonight.

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Uh neighborhood housing building
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housing and mixed use corridor

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improvements, and the new urban

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center neighborhood form district.

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So, to begin, neighborhood housing

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is used to describe a range of

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housing choices that fall between

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your typical single family detached

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home, one home on one lot, and

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the larger apartment complexes.

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Um, all of which respect the size

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and design of existing neighborhoods.

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These are duplexes and triplexes,

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cottage courts, and town homes,

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all intended to be no larger,

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no wider, no deeper, um, than

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existing single family homes found
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So, where will neighborhood housing
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Um, think really the old city limits.

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Um, as well as town centers,

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village center form districts that

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find them themselves in kind of

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older developed commercial areas
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quarter mile of the suburban

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marketplace corridor, regional center

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or town center. So think those

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commercial districts uh that radiate

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from the urban core, Shelbyville

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Road, Taylorsville Road, Bardstown,

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Dixie, uh to provide for more

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housing choices that can support

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uh businesses and the amenities

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that you find in those areas.

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As well as as a component of

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new development within proposed major

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preliminary subdivisions.

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when a new development goes in

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to be built alongside uh single

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family housing.

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Uh this map shows those areas

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that I just described, uh so

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you can see uh the uh uh

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large area of blue that is

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the traditional uh neighborhood or

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traditional form districts.

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Uh the yellow represents those

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suburban marketplace corridors and

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other form districts that
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housing can provide support to, uh

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that is represented by uh the

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hatched areas.

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So, neighborhood housing must meet

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specific development standards in

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order to be approved.

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If it does not, it is not approved.

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These standards are um what we

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consider are permitted use with

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special standards, our chapter

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four part three regulations.

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They're going to require that all

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neighborhood housing be located on

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a public street, require that

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the height, width and depth

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respects adjacent single family

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homes. Uh single family home

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ownership and building diversity are

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encouraged through these regulations.

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Clustering and concentration are

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limited. So there is a 50%

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maximum for building duplexes,

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triplexes, fourplexes along a block.

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requires the existence of single

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family homes. Um, and then

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does not allow for three of

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any of the same type of

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neighborhood housing to exist in a
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Uh no blank walls facing public

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streets, no parking in front of

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buildings, a typical single family

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home, does not allow for parking

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um in front except in in

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approved driveway. Uh neighborhood

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housing is just the same, parking

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is required at the rear.

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restricted. Um, emergency demolitions

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are the exception. Um, otherwise

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to demolish a single family home

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to build neighborhood housing, it

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has to come before the planning

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commission and compliance with the

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comprehensive plan must be
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Uh sidewalks are required. If

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sidewalks aren't present, they must
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Um, again, neighborhood housing may

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be developed alongside single family

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homes, uh subject to gross density

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of the property and all other

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applicable regulations of the land

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development code. Tree canopy must

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be met, sidewalks must be built.

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Um, roads must exist, lot

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sizes uh uh must be uh maintained.

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Um, neighborhood housing built in

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compliance with these regulations and

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approved through the processes laid

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out in the proposal may not

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be used for short-term rental or

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any form of group housing, that's

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boarding, transitional or
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Um, and the regulations also

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do not create automatic
non-conformance

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for currently illegal dwellings.

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So, if you have three units existing
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legal family home. It does
automatically grant you
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That building would have to come
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with the regulations in order to uh
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Again, just going over the
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Um, the full list of what's included
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triplexes, fourplexes, multiplexes,

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townhouses. These are attached homes,

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either on the same or separate lots.

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Cottage courts and walking courts are
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forms of development

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that allow for um houses to front,
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Um, or exist with just a sidewalk,

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and then all vehicular access is
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or the sides.

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Um also included our traditional
mixed used buildings.

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These are in traditional forms
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So not in those quarter mile radiuses
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incorporated into new uh
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A traditional mixed use building is
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your typical corner commercial,

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your typical historic corner
commercial building,

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where you find commercial on the
first floor and residential uh

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above or to the rear.

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Each neighborhood housing building
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by the form district.

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So a duplex in the traditional form
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than a duplex um in the neighborhood
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We know that in traditional forms our
lots are shallower and they're

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deeper,

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and in neighborhood forms uh they're
they're wider

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and shallower.

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Um, so we regulate everything from uh
the height based on form,

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uh the width of the building,

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the depth of the building,

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as well as setbacks, entry,
orientation,

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where garages can exist.

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Um, again, this is an example, the
graphic.

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It was really important as we are
thinking about creating

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regulations that are understandable.

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and easy to use, not just by somebody
looking to build

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a duplex, a small developer, a
contractor, but also

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um the community

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to understand these regulations and
what better way to do that

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than to represent these regulations
graphically.

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To clearly state where the front is,
where the sides are, uh

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what the building is intended to look
like if you follow the

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regulations.

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Um, we again, you can see just as an
example, um, the

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each individual building type, um, is
is pedestrian access

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is regulated. That off-street parking
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at the rear.

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Um, shared parking is encouraged.

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Um, off-street parking must be
provided.

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Um, tree canopy, landscaping, street
trees.

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This is how it would look in full.

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So if you were looking at um,
thinking about doing a triplex,

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where would you find these
regulations?

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Often in the land development code
you're find yourself looking in

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multiple sections of the code to sort
out how you would build

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something.

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The way that the neighborhood housing
regulations are set up,

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they are all in one place.

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Easy to find, accessible, so that
everybody can understand them.

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The process for neighborhood housing
would first be to determine

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if you're eligible.

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Are you in a traditional form?

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Are you within a quarter mile of a
suburban marketplace?

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Are you doing new development?

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And then from there review additional
location standards.

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Um, does the block already have more
than 50% duplexes or

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triplexes?

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Um, are there already more than three
or four of the same type uh

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in a in a row.

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Um, and then identify the specific
standards, the setbacks,

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the number of units per building,
height, width, orientation.

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Um, once you figure out out that you
hire a uh an architect, um,

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you lay out the development, you do
need to submit to the office

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of planning for review.

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Um, so this isn't just a building
permit.

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Um, you have to submit to the office
of planning so that the

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office of planning can confirm
compliance.

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Again, 100% compliance gets you
approval.

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There are no deviations from these
standards. You either meet

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them, or you do not get to build.

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Um, if it does not, you will be
denied.

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Uh, the second uh category of
amendments are the housing and

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mixed use corridor improvements.

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Uh, these are to increase housing and
and mixed use development

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along our commercial corridors,
existing areas of activity,

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uh creating design flexibility and a
simplified review process,

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um, allowing for 100% compliant uh
development plans, meaning

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no waivers, no variances.

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Um, this does not include plan
certain development.

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development uh development sites

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that are being rezoned or

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requesting a conditional use permit.

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Um, but developments that are already
zoned correctly for the use,

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that comply 100% with uh

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the land development code

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will receive an administrative
approval.

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Uh, this is rooted in the feedback

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over uh many years of research,

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the recommendations of the housing

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and mixed use development study,

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uh which was a study performed

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um in partnership with the

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office of planning

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by a design firm uh called Opticost
Design

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out of uh Berkeley, California.

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It was an empirical study

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looking at um how the land

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development code restricts

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uh the market's ability to deliver
housing.

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Um, in strong market areas in this
community,

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uh the regulations uh prevent tens of
thousands of units

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from being built that could otherwise
uh be sold, rented in the market.

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Um, so some notable changes,

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um primarily to chapter five

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and how we regulate development

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uh would be switching from a
measurement in feet

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to a measurement in stories only to
reflect modern building trends.

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Um, we're seeing uh development that
wants to have taller ceilings,

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whether that be taller ceilings on
the first floor

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and uh pretty typical um um height on
second and third

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or just uh 10 to 12 foot ceilings um
across the board.

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The Board of zoning adjustment and
the planning Commission DRC

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uh sees a number of variances for
about two and a half feet.

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So that three-story building is still
three stories,

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um but special permission is needed

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just to build that three-story
building.

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Uh, density is being adjusted and
simplified in commercial zones.

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Uh, floor area ratio.

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Uh, the land development code

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contains boxes on boxes

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on boxes of regulations,

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setback and height already set

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where you can build and how

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tall you can build.

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Um, FA FAR is a rather outdated

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uh regulation

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uh that is unnecessary within the
land development code.

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It was deleted in residential

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districts in 2021 and the plan

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is to delete it in our commercial

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and non-residential districts now.

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Uh, lot size is being reduced

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to encourage home ownership

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to respond to consumer demand.

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Uh, we receive a lot of development,

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um whether that be a rezoning, uh to
reduce lot sizes,

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whether that be the use of steep
slope development

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transfer or other forms

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um of development, rezonings to PRD.

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Um, all to uh allow for more homes

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to be sold to new homeowners,

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people looking to afford a home,

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and the lot size just does not
respond to

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uh consumer demands,

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and they do not encourage

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home ownership, so lot size is being
reduced

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uh both in the neighborhood and

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traditional neighborhood form
districts.

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Um, infield is being eliminated

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except in traditional uh neighborhood
form districts.

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Again, these are just regulations on
regulations,

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uh that make it very difficult to
sort out what can go where.

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Uh, transitional standards are

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being eliminated between form
districts.

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Uh, landscape buffers and setbacks
still remain,

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uh but transitional standards really
uh limit what can happen

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along our commercial developments, uh
our commercial corridors,

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and really limit um the development
potential um uh of of those lots.

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Uh, just as an example of uh what is
allowed currently

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and what would require that variant.

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The same three-story building, but
because one is 38 feet

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instead of 35 ft, both being three
stories,

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our current regulations would not
allow this.

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Um, so you can see that lot size

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is being reduced once you get

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to the R4 single family residential

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um uh zoning district. Uh, it's being
reduced from 9,000 to 6,000.

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Uh, the overall gross density of the
development site.

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Um, the density is not being

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increased. The lot size is going
down.

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Uh, which will result in in uh more
open space, more flexibility

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uh for development. It will

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result in the ability to do more
lots.

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It will result in the ability

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to deliver more homes to more
individuals.

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Um, but the overall density of

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development, um, is not to be
exceeded.

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Changes in the multi-family

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districts, um, respond immediately

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to what the actual density is.

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So, in the multi-family districts,

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the lot sizes uh have been

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established at 6,000 square feet

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uh for decades, uh that's more than
what the actual density.

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of the zoning district would allow
you to have.

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And so those changes in lot size

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uh now respond and are identical to
what the density is actually

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allowed to be in those multifamily
districts.

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Uh this is an example of our revised
threshold tables.

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Um so right now, uh the thresholds
are established in uh different

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categories of whether or not they can
be administratively approved

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or require uh uh planning commission
or committee approval.

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Um as you all know, um a category
three development plan requires

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the approval of a committee,

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a category three development plan
that is in full

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compliance with the land development
code

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must be approved.

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If there are no variances or waivers,
there is no discretion

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to deny a category three development
plan.

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What this does, these changes
streamline the process to

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recognize that if a common set of
rules are agreed upon

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after extensive outreach and
engagement,

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that those rules should be enforced
and they can be enforced

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by the office of planning and
developments will no longer have

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to come before the planning
commission or DRC if no variances,

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waivers, rezoning, conditional use
permits are being requested.

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The third major change is to adopt a
new form district called

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the Urban Center neighborhood form
district that was envisioned during

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the uh plan 2040 uh process.

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The new comprehensive plan went into
effect in January of 2019

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after several years of engagement
with the community.

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The urban Center neighborhood form
district is to join

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Louisville's Central business
district.

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So it is to join uh the downtown form
district.

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The urban Center neighborhood form
district, um will not exist

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beyond that. Um, it serves as a
transition.

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Uh right now there is no transition
between downtown, um

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and our uh our lower density
residential neighborhoods, so you

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drop from 30 stories to three stories
pretty quickly.

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Uh the urban Center neighborhood will
serve as that transition

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uh to allow for more activity.

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Um to allow for uh better pedestrian
experience, um and

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more mixed use development achieving
a little more height

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uh that can then step its way down as
we get back

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into our uh neighborhoods.

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The urban Center neighborhood form
district will introduce a new

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section of chapter 5 part two.

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The specific location of the form, so
mapping the form is not being

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decided now.

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Uh first the regulations need to be
decided upon.

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And then we will go through a process
of more outreach and

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engagement to decide specifically
where the boundaries of this new

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form district will be located.

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There are no minimum lot size depth
or width requirements,

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that's pretty common for um
non-residential form districts

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in uh traditional.

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Max front setback is 5 feet, so
buildings uh are encouraged to be

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at the street.

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Uh to to build that pedestrian
experience to encourage

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walkability, uh to encourage window
shopping.

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Um minimum building height is three
stories.

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Max is eight stories.

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Uh any new sidewalks need eight feet.

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Um there's an emphasis on high
quality design, so windows and

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doors uh uh facing the street,
animating features, uh uh um

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variation in architectural material.

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And then surface parking is
prohibited.

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Um so a specific carve out to say, um
we want lots to be developed.

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And we don't want them to be
developed as surface parking lots.

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We want to see commercial and mixed
use activity.

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So again the focus of of um of the
new of all of these changes

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again is focusing on that form of the
neighborhoods, focusing on

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that existing pattern of
neighborhoods, respecting the

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character of those neighborhoods.

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Building types and design
compatibility, rather than um

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uh regulating using outdated zoning
rules uh that are much in

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need of change.

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Our current rules and our districts
and the location of

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those districts limit the

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delivery of safe, affordable and
quality housing.

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and exacerbate patterns of
segregation.

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Uh land is limited, we recognize
that.

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Um and we must sensitively and
sustainably use that land, uh

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which is why these uh changes are
focusing on redevelopment,

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focusing on using our existing
infrastructure.

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And by updating the land development
code, new opportunities

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00:24:48,528 --> 00:24:50,823
to fit everyone's needs can be
created.

515
00:24:50,903 --> 00:24:53,388
Affordability, uh challenges,

516
00:24:53,468 --> 00:24:56,233
um and housing shortages can be
addressed.

517
00:25:02,410 --> 00:25:05,500
So all land use decisions must
conform to the comprehensive plan

518
00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:07,190
or Plan 2040.

519
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,530
Uh, Plan 2040 is driven by those
Chase principles,

520
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:14,730
connected, healthy, authentic,
sustainable, and equitable,

521
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:19,300
under which all of the goals,
objectives, and policies are written.

522
00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:22,920
Uh, there are five main elements of
the comprehensive plan.

523
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,230
Uh, community form is the first.

524
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,770
Community form, uh, goals encourage
the use of form and design.

525
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,930
to respond to the distinctive
qualities of neighborhoods.

526
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:36,910
Uh, it calls for the implementations
of patterns of development

527
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:39,340
to foster health and prosperity.

528
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:42,090
It encourages innovative policies,
such as this one,

529
00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:46,480
to promote resilience and respond to
existing and future trends.

530
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,340
This proposal very much meets all of
these goals.

531
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:53,630
It ensures that as our population
changes, everyone has a place to
live,

532
00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:56,910
and that place to live is safe,
healthy, and affordable.

533
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:59,840
and it respects the existing
character of neighborhoods.

534
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,470
Uh, Plan 2040 also has a housing
element.

535
00:26:11,670 --> 00:26:14,760
The housing element of the
comprehensive plan calls for choices

536
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,340
and environments to support aging in
place.

537
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:22,470
an adequate supply of affordable and
accessible housing,

538
00:26:22,550 --> 00:26:25,490
inclusive communities to overcome
disparities,

539
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,290
um, and affirmatively furthering fair
and affordable housing.

540
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:31,880
Um, this proposal very much complies

541
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,810
with the housing goals of Plan 2040.

542
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:38,500
Uh, individuals can age with dignity
in a community of their choice

543
00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:43,600
by expanding housing options, um, in
areas with existing infrastructure.

544
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,280
Uh, it allows housing options to be
made available

545
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,990
for both employers and employees.

546
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,530
families that desire more community
cooperation

547
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:54,270
and less individual maintenance
responsibility.

548
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,610
Um, or individuals and families

549
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:59,650
that commute using alternative modes
of transportation.

550
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:10,780
We know that there is a significant
unmet need for housing

551
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:16,780
in this community, specifically for
households making 30 to 50% of the

552
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:18,240
area median income.

553
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:20,900
And while the proposal before you

554
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:24,850
isn't a mandate to build affordable
housing,

555
00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:29,210
um, the type of housing that is being
made available

556
00:27:29,290 --> 00:27:34,380
through these regulations supports
affordability through its design.

557
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,930
Um, it reduces the land needed to
build housing.

558
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:42,490
It increases the number of homes, uh,
that you can build on less land.

559
00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:46,500
It reduces the material needed by
attaching units.

560
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:50,040
It utilizes the existing
infrastructure in our community.

561
00:27:50,150 --> 00:27:51,800
Um, infrastructure construction,

562
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,100
sewers, roads, sidewalks that all
cost money.

563
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:58,250
That's all passed off to the eventual
consumer of that unit.

564
00:27:58,370 --> 00:28:01,400
It allows for flexibility in
ownership types and styles,

565
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,700
reduced lot size, attached units and
cooperative methods.

566
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:12,740
The changes, um, conform to the
mobility goals of Plan 2040.

567
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,570
Uh, the changes encourage walkable
communities

568
00:28:15,650 --> 00:28:17,720
and multi-modal transportation.

569
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,430
Um, the changes and where they are
focused,

570
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:24,240
uh, connect people, jobs, education,
and services.

571
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:26,480
They utilize the existing
infrastructure

572
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,760
and they promote traditionally
well-connected neighborhoods

573
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,990
around the urban core

574
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:34,160
and commercial corridors that radiate
from the center.

575
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:39,340
The changes also promote the
livability goals of Plan 2040.

576
00:28:39,670 --> 00:28:42,950
Uh, again by focusing on these
existing areas of activity

577
00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:46,790
with streets and sidewalks, the
environment can be protected.

578
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,790
Uh, Plan 2040 calls for equitable
access

579
00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:53,430
to land use planning and policy
making decisions.

580
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:56,690
Uh, the changes before you all
tonight,

581
00:28:56,770 --> 00:29:00,850
uh, weren't just, didn't come out of
nowhere.

582
00:29:01,060 --> 00:29:03,960
We've been working on these
regulations for years.

583
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:08,380
Um, I'll, I'll, I'll have a slide on
the public engagement and outreach.

584
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:11,310
Um, all of that outreach and
engagement,

585
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:13,760
all of the feedback we have received

586
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
has been used to craft the proposed
regulations before you.

587
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,160
The changes also support the economic
development

588
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,680
goals of Plan 2040.

589
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:27,110
They provide an economic climate that
improves growth, innovation,

590
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:30,050
investment, and opportunity for all.

591
00:29:30,250 --> 00:29:34,430
Uh, by expanding, uh, the housing
choices,

592
00:29:34,510 --> 00:29:38,390
uh, for all incomes, uh, in all
sectors.

593
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,840
whether that be manufacturing,
construction, retail,

594
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,990
education, or hospitality.

595
00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:45,770
Again, it ensures that a range of
options can be offered

596
00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:48,990
to connect households with
businesses.

597
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:52,230
Think housing along the corridors or
in areas near businesses,

598
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:55,210
amenities and places of employment.

599
00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:00,030
So I've mentioned this a couple
times.

600
00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:02,022
Um, these regulations

601
00:30:02,102 --> 00:30:03,962
s, um,

602
00:30:04,812 --> 00:30:06,872
did not come out of thin air.

603
00:30:06,992 --> 00:30:10,652
Uh we have been doing outreach and
engagement for a number of years.

604
00:30:10,912 --> 00:30:13,012
Um, the housing types that are

605
00:30:13,092 --> 00:30:17,182
the neighborhood housing building
types, the duplexes and triplexes,

606
00:30:17,262 --> 00:30:21,512
uh were first introduced to the
community in December of 201 21.

607
00:30:21,592 --> 00:30:24,072
Um, during an education session.

608
00:30:24,152 --> 00:30:29,132
Uh the office of planning hosted
walking tours that started in 2022.

609
00:30:29,332 --> 00:30:34,202
Uh we took uh groups of individuals
out into the community

610
00:30:34,282 --> 00:30:39,062
uh to see where uh middle housing has
existed before zoning regulations

611
00:30:39,142 --> 00:30:42,002
took effect and outlawed these types
of housing.

612
00:30:42,082 --> 00:30:45,282
where innovative methods have already
been used like in the villages of

613
00:30:45,362 --> 00:30:47,252
Park de Vall, Norton Commons.

614
00:30:47,472 --> 00:30:52,412
Uh it's important to understand, to
touch and feel and experience

615
00:30:52,492 --> 00:30:55,132
uh these types of of housing.

616
00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:59,742
Uh we also in 2022 began these zoning
matters conversations

617
00:30:59,822 --> 00:31:01,332
with a city planner,

618
00:31:01,482 --> 00:31:04,252
which is an annual series of
conversations

619
00:31:04,332 --> 00:31:06,892
um at the Louisville Free Public
Library,

620
00:31:06,972 --> 00:31:11,442
which has provide a close space for
planners and community members

621
00:31:11,522 --> 00:31:15,662
to have intimate conversation about
things that are happening in their
community.

622
00:31:15,812 --> 00:31:20,762
What is fair, what is not fair, um
what regulations need to change.

623
00:31:20,932 --> 00:31:23,832
Um how to get access to
participation.

624
00:31:23,912 --> 00:31:26,792
Um we hold about a dozen of those
every year,

625
00:31:26,872 --> 00:31:29,382
we're in our fifth year of holding
those conversations.

626
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:33,752
Uh we just recently received a
special merit award for those
conversations

627
00:31:33,832 --> 00:31:36,782
from the State chapter of the
American Planning Association.

628
00:31:36,872 --> 00:31:41,072
Uh these conversations are nationally
recognized as a best practice.

629
00:31:41,472 --> 00:31:43,882
Uh we did Lego neighborhood building
workshops

630
00:31:43,962 --> 00:31:46,662
uh that we hosted in the fall of
2022.

631
00:31:46,842 --> 00:31:52,172
So we use Lego bricks to um represent
different types and styles of
housing,

632
00:31:52,252 --> 00:31:57,582
um and then uh gave the community um
a map of a neighborhood,

633
00:31:57,662 --> 00:32:03,452
um and had them work together to
build uh communities with different
types of housing.

634
00:32:03,572 --> 00:32:06,432
We hosted a professional design
charette in 2023.

635
00:32:06,512 --> 00:32:10,852
We brought together um professionals
from the Planning Association,

636
00:32:10,932 --> 00:32:14,102
landscape architects and Architects
Institute.

637
00:32:14,692 --> 00:32:18,642
to envision how a piece of property
could look

638
00:32:18,722 --> 00:32:21,632
if different housing choices were
available.

639
00:32:22,392 --> 00:32:28,802
Uh we we hosted open house events
following the initial draft of
changes to the land development code,

640
00:32:28,882 --> 00:32:31,122
uh initially titled middle housing.

641
00:32:31,322 --> 00:32:35,002
Um we hosted those uh open house
events in 2024.

642
00:32:35,492 --> 00:32:37,812
Conversations on Urban Center
neighborhood form,

643
00:32:37,892 --> 00:32:39,822
um also began in 2022,

644
00:32:39,902 --> 00:32:43,252
with information, visioning and work
group sessions,

645
00:32:43,332 --> 00:32:47,702
and dedicated websites and online
common forms have been made available

646
00:32:47,782 --> 00:32:49,252
um for all of the changes.

647
00:32:51,582 --> 00:32:56,272
So as I mentioned a draft of the
changes uh uh before you all tonight,

648
00:32:56,352 --> 00:33:01,342
uh specifically the neighborhood
housing changes were initially
released in 2024.

649
00:33:02,172 --> 00:33:05,962
Um uh shortly after the release of
these changes,

650
00:33:06,042 --> 00:33:09,732
uh the Kentucky General Assembly
passed a one-year legislative pause

651
00:33:09,812 --> 00:33:12,292
on any changes to the land
development code

652
00:33:12,372 --> 00:33:17,262
that changed the uh character or
density of residential areas.

653
00:33:19,252 --> 00:33:23,292
The current draft of changes was
published on July 1st, 2026

654
00:33:23,372 --> 00:33:29,542
after working um since that pause on
uh addressing community concerns,

655
00:33:29,622 --> 00:33:32,392
reviewing all of the outreach and
engagement.

656
00:33:33,152 --> 00:33:37,352
Um after the release of this draft a
total of five informational meetings
were hosted in July,

657
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:40,572
um at the Parkland, Newburg,
Southwest libraries,

658
00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:44,652
Norton Commons Fire Station and a
virtual a virtual session was
offered.

659
00:33:46,472 --> 00:33:49,792
So all of the comments that have been
received at the time of publication,

660
00:33:49,872 --> 00:33:53,002
uh were provided to you when the
agenda was published.

661
00:33:53,192 --> 00:34:00,072
Um I've also put in front of you any
comments that were received after
publication of the agenda,

662
00:34:00,302 --> 00:34:03,862
um up until the start of the public
hearing.

663
00:34:06,372 --> 00:34:09,422
Uh notice of this amendment was given
in accordance with KRS.

664
00:34:09,502 --> 00:34:14,092
Gov delivery or electronic uh email
delivery or electronic uh email
delivery was given to all registered
users

665
00:34:14,172 --> 00:34:19,622
and all Metro Council districts
signed up to receive notice of
development applications

666
00:34:19,702 --> 00:34:21,482
from the office of planning.

667
00:34:21,952 --> 00:34:25,832
And then a special Gov delivery was
sent out to all individuals

668
00:34:25,912 --> 00:34:29,132
who participated in public outreach
and engagement over the years.

669
00:34:29,252 --> 00:34:33,262
Um through the zoning matters
conversations, through the walking
tours,

670
00:34:33,342 --> 00:34:36,142
um and that outreach uh that we've
conducted,

671
00:34:36,222 --> 00:34:38,682
uh that list has grown to over 700

672
00:34:38,762 --> 00:34:42,072
uh individual in person uh
participants.

673
00:34:42,152 --> 00:34:46,232
Um we've had hundreds of uh
individual conversations at the

674
00:34:46,312 --> 00:34:49,182
uh Louisville Free Public Library as
well.

675
00:34:51,742 --> 00:34:57,452
So the office of planning finds that
the office of planning finds that the
text amendment um as has been laid
out tonight

676
00:34:57,532 --> 00:35:01,792
advances the goals, objectives and
policies of plan 2040.

677
00:35:02,085 --> 00:35:02,918
Um,

678
00:35:02,998 --> 00:35:05,228
and staff recommends that the
planning commission

679
00:35:05,308 --> 00:35:06,641
Um,

680
00:35:07,418 --> 00:35:11,918
Uh, staff recommends that the
planning commission should recommend
to Metro Council.

681
00:35:11,998 --> 00:35:16,478
and the legislative bodies having
authority that the text amendments be
approved.

682
00:35:16,558 --> 00:35:17,938
Are there any questions?

683
00:35:19,458 --> 00:35:21,078
Questions, commissioners?

684
00:35:23,319 --> 00:35:24,259
I have

685
00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:25,239
Go ahead for

686
00:35:25,319 --> 00:35:28,179
Uh yeah, so I just have a couple, um,
questions.

687
00:35:28,259 --> 00:35:35,009
So you talked about, um, surface
parking prohibited. I'm assuming
you're talking about surface parking
lots, correct?

688
00:35:35,089 --> 00:35:37,656
Yes, without a building present, so
as a primary use.

689
00:35:37,736 --> 00:35:38,569
Okay.

690
00:35:38,649 --> 00:35:44,279
Um, existing parking lots could
remain, but the new construction of a
parking lot would be prohibited.

691
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:51,359
Okay. And then you talked about home
prices a little bit and you showed
the area median income for, um,
people in the Louisville area.

692
00:35:53,089 --> 00:36:00,089
And so my question is, um, home
prices go beyond the cost of
construction, right?

693
00:36:00,939 --> 00:36:03,799
So we know land matters.

694
00:36:04,269 --> 00:36:11,269
When you make that statement, do you
anticipate not only the cost of the
of the developments, but also the
styles of the development changing
from the areas in which it's in?

695
00:36:17,769 --> 00:36:22,769
So you have, of course, our urban
core, and you talked about branching
out from the urban core.

696
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:29,849
So, um, that versus what you may see
in like J Town, branching off from
Tville Road, Blank & Becker, that
area.

697
00:36:30,779 --> 00:36:37,779
Do you see the styles and the cost
and the cost and everything changing
or is the intent to kind of have keep
all of this homogeneous?

698
00:36:37,949 --> 00:36:39,579
So, um,

699
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,279
It's well documented that the
majority of our land is zoned for
single family detached housing.

700
00:36:46,359 --> 00:36:53,309
Um, this creates an inflexible
pattern of development, um, that can
only deliver one product.

701
00:36:53,389 --> 00:36:55,879
Um, without going through a rezoning.

702
00:36:56,289 --> 00:37:03,289
Uh, by changing these regulations, we
are allowing a greater amount of
flexibility to respond to consumer
demands.

703
00:37:04,269 --> 00:37:11,269
Um, the flexibility offered in these
changes, um, creates a pattern of
development that is consistent with
single family, but allows for, um,
developers

704
00:37:18,409 --> 00:37:22,549
to respond to the real consumer needs
of individuals.

705
00:37:22,659 --> 00:37:29,659
Uh, so, um, if attached housing is
delivered, uh, we know that through
the design,

706
00:37:29,749 --> 00:37:33,979
uh, you're going to save on land,
you're going to save on material,

707
00:37:34,059 --> 00:37:39,169
and then the cost that can be, uh,
then the cost that can be, uh, then
pushed to the consumer can be
reduced.

708
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,579
And then last question, um, has

709
00:37:43,979 --> 00:37:50,979
the office thought about or maybe
this is already in the works, kind of
having like a pre-developed kind of
set of blocks

710
00:37:52,149 --> 00:37:58,079
when you have a a plot of land or
some land that's X amount of acres

711
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:02,519
already having something for a
developer for a particular market.

712
00:38:02,629 --> 00:38:05,066
So like, uh pre-approved development
plans.

713
00:38:05,146 --> 00:38:05,979
Mhm.

714
00:38:06,059 --> 00:38:08,489
Um, yeah, we did that with accessory
dwelling units.

715
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:14,969
So if you go on our website, uh, you
can find free sets of accessory
dwelling unit plan, um, that you can
access.

716
00:38:15,049 --> 00:38:17,459
They are full sets of construction
plans.

717
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:24,559
that you have access to, um, that not
only reduce the the overall costs by
several thousand dollars of not
needing to, um, hire an architect,

718
00:38:27,809 --> 00:38:31,049
but they show the community exactly
what we want.

719
00:38:31,279 --> 00:38:34,409
They show the community what we want
and how to do it.

720
00:38:34,729 --> 00:38:41,729
Um, places like South Bend have an
excellent collection of um, uh
pre-approved development plans for
for middle housing building types.

721
00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:51,159
Um, it is very much, uh, front and
center on our minds that it is not
only just about changing the
regulations,

722
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:58,239
then going out and educating the
community about those regulations and
then putting tools in the hands of
individuals to then carry out the
changes that we've proposed.

723
00:39:01,969 --> 00:39:02,999
Thank you.

724
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:04,169
Anyone else?

725
00:39:04,249 --> 00:39:05,082
Yes.

726
00:39:05,162 --> 00:39:06,495
Yes, ma'am.

727
00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:16,472
Will this proposed code apply to the
traditional neighborhoods in the
urban service district as a matter of
right?

728
00:39:20,102 --> 00:39:27,102
So the, uh, traditional form
districts, the traditional
neighborhood form district, is
primarily found within the boundaries
of the old city limits, the urban
services district.

729
00:39:30,562 --> 00:39:37,562
Um, they are not permitted by right
as far as duplexes, whatever two
units you want to do inside of a
building.

730
00:39:41,332 --> 00:39:44,662
They are permitted by right with
special standards.

731
00:39:44,822 --> 00:39:51,822
So if you meet all of the special
standards that have been developed
for neighborhood housing, then it is
by right.

732
00:39:52,092 --> 00:39:56,162
There is no conditional use permit
required, there is no rezoning that
is required.

733
00:39:56,242 --> 00:40:00,352
Will the public have that live in the
traditional

734
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,750
are for

735
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:06,390
urban service district

736
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:08,570
neighborhoods have the right to
comment

737
00:40:08,650 --> 00:40:12,120
at a planning Commission committee
meeting

738
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160
a full planning Commission meeting

739
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,370
or a Metro Council meeting.

740
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:20,440
So there's very few uh uh a very

741
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,690
small amount of land in the
traditional neighborhoods

742
00:40:22,770 --> 00:40:24,740
that sound R4 single family
residential.

743
00:40:24,820 --> 00:40:26,520
Um, but no.

744
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,440
The regulations are written so that
if you meet the standards,

745
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,693
um, you get to get a building permit
after the office of planning reviews
it.

746
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:38,630
Um, this is being offered after the
many years of engagement

747
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:41,980
and outreach that we've conducted,

748
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:46,200
responding to feedback, looking at
best practices to craft regulations

749
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,870
that can allow uh a small developer
or a contractor to take advantage

750
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:53,860
of delivering housing choice.

751
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,110
Well, this proposed code apply

752
00:40:57,190 --> 00:41:00,740
to the R4 single family neighborhoods

753
00:41:00,820 --> 00:41:05,930
in the formerly unincorporated
Jefferson County areas that are not

754
00:41:06,010 --> 00:41:08,710
parts of small cities.

755
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:10,960
Yes, the regulations will apply

756
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,220
to areas that are within a quarter
mile of the suburban marketplace

757
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:19,330
and regional Center form district, no
matter the zoning district

758
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:21,110
in the neighborhood form, and it will

759
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:23,450
also apply to the redevelopment

760
00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:26,210
of uh areas uh of three acres or

761
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:28,980
more, so a major preliminary

762
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:30,530
subdivision uh can now be delivered

763
00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:32,730
uh with neighborhood housing um

764
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:34,850
adjacent to and incorporated

765
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:40,420
within the single family residential.

766
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,730
Let me rephrase that.

767
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:45,520
Why does this law not apply to R4

768
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,840
single family homes in the formerly

769
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
unincorporated areas of Jefferson

770
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,000
County that are not part of small
cities.

771
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:59,630
So this this regulation applies in
areas where uh we can justify

772
00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:05,990
being connected to existing areas of
activity uh that can promote

773
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:09,850
walkability, can promote transit
service

774
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:14,290
and that generally are um already
served by uh utilities, sewers,

775
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:18,010
um uh electric water.

776
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:22,240
So this proposed code does not apply

777
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,520
to R4 single family neighborhoods in
the formerly unincorporated

778
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,440
Jefferson County, correct?

779
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,910
That is not correct.

780
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:33,323
It's not

781
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:34,660
No.

782
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:37,340
You are allowed to develop um a

783
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:40,330
site of three acres or more,

784
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:44,310
just like you can develop a site of
three acres or more right now for

785
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:47,240
single family, you could incorporate
neighborhood housing

786
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,840
uh within uh that development site

787
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,240
in the formerly unincorporated areas
within Louisville Metro's

788
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,440
jurisdiction.

789
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,793
Let me let's exclude three acre sites
or more.

790
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,330
Will this type of housing be allowed
in R4 neighborhoods

791
00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:09,930
in the formerly unincorporated
Jefferson County there are not part

792
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:12,600
of small cities.

793
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:15,780
If they meet the regulations.

794
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:18,360
I don't know another way to answer
that question.

795
00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:22,500
And if they are within one quarter
mile of the

796
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:25,020
marketplace corridor forms.

797
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:26,190
I understand that.

798
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:31,933
I'm talking about the R4 areas away
from these corridors.

799
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,433
If

800
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:34,403
in neighborhoods

801
00:43:34,483 --> 00:43:39,770
will will someone be allowed to build
a multi-family dwelling by right

802
00:43:39,850 --> 00:43:43,190
without the public having the right
to comment at a committee meeting,

803
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:47,040
a full commission meeting or the
Metro Council? Yes or no?

804
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,770
within the R4 single family
residential zoning district

805
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:53,960
as new development alongside single
family housing, yes,

806
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,930
neighborhood housing will be allowed
to be built

807
00:43:57,010 --> 00:44:01,090
um, and be approved administratively
by the office of planning.

808
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,810
Without public input.

809
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:05,223
Correct.

810
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:06,530
Right.

811
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:07,780
Thank you.

812
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:09,110
Any other questions?

813
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:13,030
I'd like to follow up on Commissioner
Leonard's line of questioning

814
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:18,143
and kind of uh, I got to kind of dumb
it down for my purposes, but

815
00:44:18,340 --> 00:44:21,900
So if in the in the former City of
Louisville

816
00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:26,210
um, traditional neighborhoods, uh, if
I

817
00:44:26,290 --> 00:44:29,743
any place within that area,

818
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,390
I could um apply for uh, you know,

819
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:37,780
a range of housing options, duplexes,
tries,

820
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:41,960
fourplexes, multi-family.

821
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,410
Uh, and I can go to um Brian Davis or
one of the other planners here

822
00:44:47,490 --> 00:44:51,000
and provided that I meet the special
standards,

823
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,717
then I get a permit.

824
00:44:52,797 --> 00:44:53,630
That's correct.

825
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:56,380
Okay. And if I uh, if I'm outside

826
00:44:56,460 --> 00:45:02,710
of the uh former City of Louisville

827
00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:07,615
boundaries and along a commercial
corridor

828
00:45:07,695 --> 00:45:10,165
within a quarter of a mile of the
commercial

829
00:45:10,245 --> 00:45:11,595
quarter form districts.

830
00:45:11,825 --> 00:45:17,675
Uh, I can, uh, again go to Brian
Davis, one of the team members here,

831
00:45:18,345 --> 00:45:25,345
and, um, apply for a duplex, uh,
triplex, fourplex, multi-family,

832
00:45:26,225 --> 00:45:28,485
uh, on our four property.

833
00:45:29,065 --> 00:45:33,468
Uh and as long as it meets the
special standards, I get a permit,
right?

834
00:45:33,548 --> 00:45:36,678
Yeah, if you're within the R4 single
family residential zoning district

835
00:45:36,758 --> 00:45:39,498
in the neighborhood form district
within a quarter mile

836
00:45:39,578 --> 00:45:42,508
of one of these uh suburban
marketplace corridors

837
00:45:42,588 --> 00:45:46,788
or a site is being uh uh developed,

838
00:45:47,418 --> 00:45:49,808
um, we can approve it
administratively.

839
00:45:49,888 --> 00:45:51,355
Okay, so, um,

840
00:45:51,505 --> 00:45:54,465
and again following up on Mr.
Leonard's

841
00:45:54,545 --> 00:45:56,965
uh line of question because, you
know, this is

842
00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:58,755
this bold new stuff.

843
00:45:59,405 --> 00:46:02,155
Um, uh, there's no uh public
notification.

844
00:46:02,235 --> 00:46:03,995
In other words, you write the
permits,

845
00:46:04,075 --> 00:46:05,265
I walk out the office, I

846
00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:07,145
go down and get a building permit

847
00:46:07,225 --> 00:46:09,075
and again as long as I'm meeting

848
00:46:09,155 --> 00:46:10,591
all the standards, uh, I build.

849
00:46:10,671 --> 00:46:13,601
So if you're doing a typical if
you're doing a duplex that complies

850
00:46:13,681 --> 00:46:16,421
with neighborhood housing within a
quarter mile, uh, the answer is no.

851
00:46:16,501 --> 00:46:19,821
You can uh submit the application to
the office of planning.

852
00:46:19,901 --> 00:46:22,691
Uh, that can be approved and then you
can go get a building permit.

853
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:25,901
Um, if you're developing a site, so
you're doing a major preliminary

854
00:46:25,981 --> 00:46:27,021
subdivision,

855
00:46:27,101 --> 00:46:30,111
and you are incorporating
neighborhood housing uh within

856
00:46:30,191 --> 00:46:31,521
that major subdivision,

857
00:46:31,601 --> 00:46:35,531
you still must comply with the
standards of a major subdivision,

858
00:46:35,611 --> 00:46:38,691
all other components of the land
development code.

859
00:46:38,771 --> 00:46:42,551
The changes in the regulations to
approve administratively still

860
00:46:42,631 --> 00:46:44,661
require notification.

861
00:46:44,741 --> 00:46:48,131
But they do not require a public
meeting for the um a larger

862
00:46:48,211 --> 00:46:52,051
development that incorporates
neighborhood housing.

863
00:46:52,131 --> 00:46:55,641
But the R4 single family neighborhood
form district

864
00:46:55,721 --> 00:47:00,411
within a quarter mile duplex that
100% complies,

865
00:47:00,491 --> 00:47:04,061
once that application is submitted
and reviewed by our office

866
00:47:04,141 --> 00:47:06,971
and found to be in 100% compliance
and approved,

867
00:47:07,051 --> 00:47:08,842
you can go on to receive a building
permit.

868
00:47:08,922 --> 00:47:10,842
Okay, so then, um,

869
00:47:12,202 --> 00:47:14,152
administrative process.

870
00:47:14,272 --> 00:47:17,612
Uh, I'm I'm talking to let's let's
discuss appeals.

871
00:47:17,692 --> 00:47:21,592
What if I if it doesn't meet the
special standards,

872
00:47:21,952 --> 00:47:26,522
uh, then, uh, you deny the
application,

873
00:47:26,602 --> 00:47:29,902
uh, is there an appeal process to a
developer,

874
00:47:29,982 --> 00:47:32,272
uh, if he wants to take it to a
committee?

875
00:47:32,352 --> 00:47:36,162
Yeah, no different than any other uh
administrative appeal that you

876
00:47:36,242 --> 00:47:39,142
would file today on like a category
2B application.

877
00:47:39,222 --> 00:47:42,812
That that appeal is set up to say we
got it wrong.

878
00:47:43,182 --> 00:47:46,642
Um, and the regulation should be
interpreted a different way.

879
00:47:46,722 --> 00:47:48,632
There are no variannces or waivers

880
00:47:48,712 --> 00:47:50,102
that are offered from these special
standards.

881
00:47:50,182 --> 00:47:53,922
Okay, so then, uh, let's put it in
let's put it in let's throw it in
reverse for a second.

882
00:47:54,002 --> 00:47:58,902
Let's say uh I'm uh in one of these
neighborhoods within 1300 feet of

883
00:47:58,982 --> 00:48:00,672
commercial corridor.

884
00:48:00,782 --> 00:48:07,342
Uh some uh person uh gets approval
for the building of a multi-

885
00:48:07,422 --> 00:48:12,172
unit uh project within and and you
get and you grant him the

886
00:48:12,252 --> 00:48:13,892
permission to do that.

887
00:48:13,972 --> 00:48:18,702
Can a neighbor appeal back to you and
request a hearing on the matter?

888
00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:22,510
No different than how any decision by
the office of planning is made

889
00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:25,190
today. You can appeal that within 30
days of that action.

890
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:29,680
Sure. Okay, so it's all, um, so then,
uh, I don't want to be

891
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,490
stealing the podium here, but, uh,

892
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,720
how about see home rule cities? What
was it kind of the

893
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,400
reaction of this Joel with, um, you
know, the home the home rule

894
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,977
cities that you know, both have
zoning authority and, you know,

895
00:48:43,057 --> 00:48:43,890
just other

896
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:46,710
home rule cities that are along these
commercial corridors?

897
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:48,123
Are they, are they kind of in favor
of this?

898
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:51,670
So the suburban cities uh that have
zoning authority will have

899
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:53,540
the opportunity to take this up.

900
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:57,250
Okay. Um, you all if if you so choose
are making a recommendation

901
00:48:57,330 --> 00:48:59,030
to Louisville Metro Council

902
00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:04,390
and all of those legislative bodies
uh that have uh zoning authority.

903
00:49:04,658 --> 00:49:08,188
And, um, I don't know if I want to
answer this,

904
00:49:08,268 --> 00:49:10,098
but how do you think

905
00:49:10,178 --> 00:49:13,288
the General Assembly, do you think
they're going to come back with
another

906
00:49:13,368 --> 00:49:17,598
kind of, you know, pause on things,
you know, I mean what's your

907
00:49:17,678 --> 00:49:20,368
feeling in terms of does this have a
traction with the state

908
00:49:20,448 --> 00:49:21,448
legislature?

909
00:49:21,528 --> 00:49:23,498
I I can't speak for the general
assembly.

910
00:49:23,578 --> 00:49:25,558
I'll speak. I didn't think so.

911
00:49:25,638 --> 00:49:27,228
Yeah, Brian Davis, Office of
planning.

912
00:49:27,308 --> 00:49:31,188
So, uh, you know, the uh Kentucky
housing task force worked during

913
00:49:31,268 --> 00:49:33,988
the summer of 2000 uh 25

914
00:49:34,068 --> 00:49:37,478
uh between sessions and established a
series of recommendations that

915
00:49:37,558 --> 00:49:41,278
they would like to see in terms of
housing production across the state.

916
00:49:41,358 --> 00:49:44,948
Uh I think if you compare some of the
uh some of the the the things

917
00:49:45,028 --> 00:49:47,418
that are within our uh proposed
amendments,

918
00:49:47,498 --> 00:49:50,185
they are very much in in sync with
some of the recommendations

919
00:49:50,265 --> 00:49:51,098
from that.

920
00:49:51,178 --> 00:49:55,328
And so I think as we come into the um
2027 General Assembly

921
00:49:55,408 --> 00:49:56,308
uh session,

922
00:49:56,388 --> 00:49:59,588
I think we we're we're going to see
kind of another round of bills

923
00:49:59,668 --> 00:50:00,658
be filed.

924
00:50:00,738 --> 00:50:02,838
Uh this past year there were I think
it was

925
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,763
15 different housing bills that were
filed.

926
00:50:04,843 --> 00:50:07,793
Uh, and if you follow the state
government,

927
00:50:07,873 --> 00:50:09,013
you know, things get filed one year,

928
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:13,433
they kind of get people knowledgeable
about the subject

929
00:50:13,513 --> 00:50:15,273
and they may gain some more traction
and things like that.

930
00:50:15,353 --> 00:50:19,173
So, I think we're fully expecting
another round of housing-related
bills.

931
00:50:19,253 --> 00:50:22,073
Many of which are associated with the
Kentucky Housing

932
00:50:22,153 --> 00:50:23,973
Task Force recommendations.

933
00:50:24,053 --> 00:50:27,073
Again, and we feel our
recommendations are very much in line
with that.

934
00:50:27,153 --> 00:50:28,873
Yeah, good reminder. I forgot about
the

935
00:50:28,953 --> 00:50:31,973
I think it was the same as the
federal bill, you know,

936
00:50:32,053 --> 00:50:34,513
Housing for the 21st Century
initiatives.

937
00:50:34,593 --> 00:50:35,973
Sure. Right, yeah.

938
00:50:36,053 --> 00:50:37,073
Okay, thank you.

939
00:50:37,153 --> 00:50:39,663
And good job, Joel and the team.

940
00:50:39,743 --> 00:50:43,173
And I think we've got something here
to work.

941
00:50:43,253 --> 00:50:44,973
Lennard and then you, Susan.

942
00:50:45,053 --> 00:50:49,000
May we see the map, please?

943
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,920
The map shows the areas where this
would apply.

944
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,773
Are we correct in saying it does not
apply to the

945
00:51:02,853 --> 00:51:06,173
areas in white on the map? Is that
correct?

946
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:08,473
Yeah, those cities have zoning
authority and would have to

947
00:51:08,553 --> 00:51:10,373
adopt these changes.

948
00:51:10,453 --> 00:51:14,473
Excluding the single cities,
incorporated cities,

949
00:51:14,553 --> 00:51:19,473
but the areas that were formally
unincorporated

950
00:51:19,553 --> 00:51:22,373
Jefferson County in the white would
not be governed by this

951
00:51:22,453 --> 00:51:24,373
law. Is that correct?

952
00:51:24,453 --> 00:51:26,973
The areas in white are those cities
that have zoning

953
00:51:27,053 --> 00:51:29,120
authority.

954
00:51:30,220 --> 00:51:33,473
The areas in white are formally
unincorporated

955
00:51:33,553 --> 00:51:36,873
areas, especially along the county
line.

956
00:51:36,953 --> 00:51:38,273
there's both white and, if I may.

957
00:51:38,353 --> 00:51:40,673
If I may, yeah, so there's some
slight coloration

958
00:51:40,753 --> 00:51:42,473
differences there.

959
00:51:42,553 --> 00:51:44,473
So the cities with zoning authority
are masked out

960
00:51:44,553 --> 00:51:46,273
in white on the map.

961
00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:49,473
You then have a light gray, which if
you zoom in close

962
00:51:49,553 --> 00:51:52,273
enough, you can see the differences
between those.

963
00:51:52,353 --> 00:51:54,473
And so the white are the suburban
cities that have

964
00:51:54,553 --> 00:51:56,473
zoning authority.

965
00:51:56,553 --> 00:51:58,973
The gray areas are the areas that are
outside of those

966
00:51:59,053 --> 00:52:01,373
cities,

967
00:52:01,453 --> 00:52:04,820
where Metro has zoning authority.

968
00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,473
So with the gray areas,

969
00:52:07,553 --> 00:52:09,473
and I'll just use some examples:

970
00:52:09,553 --> 00:52:12,473
if I own a half acre in Polo Fields
or Lake Forest

971
00:52:12,553 --> 00:52:14,373
or Glenmary or Woods of Saint Anthony
or something

972
00:52:14,453 --> 00:52:15,673
like that,

973
00:52:15,753 --> 00:52:17,773
would I be eligible to do
neighborhood housing?

974
00:52:17,853 --> 00:52:18,773
The answer is no,

975
00:52:18,853 --> 00:52:20,673
because you're not going to meet the
requirements

976
00:52:20,753 --> 00:52:22,473
in terms of like the

977
00:52:22,553 --> 00:52:24,473
distance requirements from the form
districts and things

978
00:52:24,553 --> 00:52:26,420
like that.

979
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:30,973
So the areas in gray would not be
subject to this

980
00:52:31,053 --> 00:52:33,373
proposal.

981
00:52:33,453 --> 00:52:36,373
They would be subject only in the
sense of

982
00:52:36,453 --> 00:52:41,273
new development on sites that are of
three acres or more,

983
00:52:41,353 --> 00:52:43,673
where neighborhood housing could be
built alongside

984
00:52:43,753 --> 00:52:46,773
single family as a major subdivision.

985
00:52:46,853 --> 00:52:51,273
So the existing single family homes
in gray

986
00:52:51,353 --> 00:52:56,220
would not be subject to this
proposal. Correct.

987
00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:02,420
What is the brown with the squares
around it?

988
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,573
What's the question?

989
00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:08,273
What is the brown with the squares
around it,

990
00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:11,173
especially Beula Church, Outer Loop,
Fagan Bush?

991
00:53:11,253 --> 00:53:13,473
Is that a PDD?

992
00:53:13,553 --> 00:53:15,673
Rachel, you're going to have to help
me with colors.

993
00:53:15,753 --> 00:53:18,873
I think he's indicating the yellow
areas.

994
00:53:18,953 --> 00:53:22,673
So the yellow areas, I'll zoom in a
little bit here.

995
00:53:22,753 --> 00:53:25,973
So the yellow areas are the suburban
marketplace

996
00:53:26,053 --> 00:53:28,273
corridor form district,

997
00:53:28,353 --> 00:53:30,473
the regional center form districts,
and the town

998
00:53:30,553 --> 00:53:32,173
center form districts.

999
00:53:32,253 --> 00:53:34,473
So these represent our areas of
commercial

1000
00:53:34,553 --> 00:53:36,373
businesses and activity.

1001
00:53:36,453 --> 00:53:37,286
Okay, all right.

1002
00:53:37,366 --> 00:53:39,509
And then the hatched area around is
that one quarter

1003
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:41,409
mile buffer.

1004
00:53:41,489 --> 00:53:43,909
So, I have a question related to
that.

1005
00:53:43,989 --> 00:53:46,009
I'm thinking about a piece of
property we've seen

1006
00:53:46,089 --> 00:53:47,509
many times

1007
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:51,856
off Dixie on Curts.

1008
00:53:53,389 --> 00:53:54,309
So my question is this.

1009
00:53:54,389 --> 00:53:57,009
I'm looking at mapping, that is well
within,

1010
00:53:57,089 --> 00:54:00,509
like it's 16th of a mile according to
a measuring

1011
00:54:00,589 --> 00:54:03,009
tool.

1012
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:06,009
Would all of that property?

1013
00:54:06,089 --> 00:54:09,009
Does this only apply if it's a larger
lot to the

1014
00:54:09,089 --> 00:54:12,009
portion of the property that is So
what about the

1015
00:54:12,089 --> 00:54:15,709
rest of the property? So can you
expand on that?

1016
00:54:15,789 --> 00:54:18,409
Right, so it only applies within
these hatched areas

1017
00:54:18,489 --> 00:54:20,709
that are within a quarter mile.

1018
00:54:20,789 --> 00:54:24,009
So if you've got 10 acres and only
five is within it,

1019
00:54:24,089 --> 00:54:27,009
five acres is subject to just the
by-right duplex,

1020
00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:29,409
triplex development standards.

1021
00:54:29,489 --> 00:54:32,409
You could again redevelop a site of
three acres or more

1022
00:54:32,489 --> 00:54:36,509
and build neighborhood housing
alongside

1023
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:40,209
single family homes.

1024
00:54:40,289 --> 00:54:42,009
Right, but two sets of regulations
would kind of

1025
00:54:42,089 --> 00:54:43,109
apply to that.

1026
00:54:43,189 --> 00:54:45,009
So if I have a piece of property and
it's

1027
00:54:45,089 --> 00:54:46,509
partially in,

1028
00:54:46,589 --> 00:54:49,009
one set will apply to what's closest
to, in this case,

1029
00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:52,009
a suburban marketplace corridor,

1030
00:54:52,089 --> 00:54:54,509
and the other would apply to the R4
regulations as

1031
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:56,509
drafted that would allow me

1032
00:54:56,589 --> 00:55:01,109
to have attached housing in R4,

1033
00:55:01,189 --> 00:55:02,599
or the small

1034
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:04,322
smaller single family lot.

1035
00:55:04,402 --> 00:55:05,713
Yeah, if you meet all of the
standards,

1036
00:55:05,793 --> 00:55:07,613
and also all of the other standards

1037
00:55:07,693 --> 00:55:08,643
of the land development code.

1038
00:55:08,723 --> 00:55:11,413
So if there's uh waterway buffers,

1039
00:55:11,493 --> 00:55:13,383
steep slopes, you still must comply

1040
00:55:13,463 --> 00:55:15,462
with all of those standards as well.

1041
00:55:15,542 --> 00:55:18,166
This appears to me, and I've read it

1042
00:55:18,246 --> 00:55:19,886
and read it and read it to really

1043
00:55:19,966 --> 00:55:22,376
follow what has been historically

1044
00:55:22,456 --> 00:55:23,912
how things develop.

1045
00:55:23,992 --> 00:55:25,746
commercial and then attached

1046
00:55:25,826 --> 00:55:27,556
and smaller and multifamily,

1047
00:55:27,636 --> 00:55:29,976
and as you move away,

1048
00:55:30,056 --> 00:55:32,102
so thank you for answering my
question.

1049
00:55:32,182 --> 00:55:33,015
Well,

1050
00:55:33,095 --> 00:55:34,029
[clears throat]

1051
00:55:34,109 --> 00:55:36,969
I have one more followup question
based

1052
00:55:37,049 --> 00:55:38,379
on Commissioner Cheek's and

1053
00:55:38,459 --> 00:55:40,809
Commissioner Lard's uh going back to

1054
00:55:40,889 --> 00:55:44,535
the gray areas on the the map.

1055
00:55:44,615 --> 00:55:46,369
You know, unincorporated

1056
00:55:46,449 --> 00:55:51,835
uh areas of uh Metro.

1057
00:55:52,065 --> 00:55:53,129
that sound stupid, but uh

1058
00:55:53,209 --> 00:55:56,689
um, but you know, the the areas

1059
00:55:56,769 --> 00:55:58,249
outside the Home Rule cities.

1060
00:55:58,329 --> 00:56:00,699
If I had three acres in kind of the

1061
00:56:00,779 --> 00:56:04,369
the bowels of that area, uh and I

1062
00:56:04,449 --> 00:56:08,339
wanted to do, um, you know,

1063
00:56:08,419 --> 00:56:09,869
neighborhood housing.

1064
00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:11,889
I could do it at I could develop a

1065
00:56:11,969 --> 00:56:14,179
subdivision and do it under a kind

1066
00:56:14,259 --> 00:56:16,389
of a neighborhood housing regime.

1067
00:56:16,469 --> 00:56:17,302
Is that correct?

1068
00:56:17,382 --> 00:56:19,156
That's correct. You would have to
meet

1069
00:56:19,236 --> 00:56:20,396
all of the standards.

1070
00:56:20,476 --> 00:56:22,126
So you would have to build single

1071
00:56:22,206 --> 00:56:24,386
family housing within that because

1072
00:56:24,466 --> 00:56:25,836
of the block face and the clustering

1073
00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:26,749
requirements.

1074
00:56:26,829 --> 00:56:27,863
Sure, but I I could also have

1075
00:56:27,943 --> 00:56:28,776
density as well.

1076
00:56:28,856 --> 00:56:31,690
I seemingly I've now have a density

1077
00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:32,930
gain or I mean, there's no

1078
00:56:33,010 --> 00:56:35,090
restriction on on density at that

1079
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,003
point.

1080
00:56:36,083 --> 00:56:37,997
You're still subject in just like a

1081
00:56:38,077 --> 00:56:39,607
major subdivision today, you're still

1082
00:56:39,687 --> 00:56:40,673
subject to density.

1083
00:56:40,753 --> 00:56:42,717
Um, density is switching from net

1084
00:56:42,797 --> 00:56:43,630
to gross density.

1085
00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:45,044
Okay. And how we calculate it.

1086
00:56:45,124 --> 00:56:46,564
So, okay. So we do pick up some

1087
00:56:46,644 --> 00:56:47,810
units. Good. Thank you.

1088
00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:49,223
Joe.

1089
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,034
If a PDD has a 35 foot height

1090
00:56:52,114 --> 00:56:53,490
requirement, will this change it?

1091
00:56:53,570 --> 00:56:54,734
You're going to have to say that

1092
00:56:54,814 --> 00:56:55,710
one a lot louder.

1093
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:57,304
I'm sorry, I don't have your

1094
00:56:57,384 --> 00:56:59,680
Bob Barker mic here.

1095
00:56:59,930 --> 00:57:02,634
If a PDD has a 35 foot height

1096
00:57:02,714 --> 00:57:05,070
requirement in it,

1097
00:57:05,810 --> 00:57:08,020
Does this change to the 38?

1098
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:09,794
If a PVD. Planned develop

1099
00:57:09,874 --> 00:57:10,707
ment district.

1100
00:57:10,787 --> 00:57:11,757
Okay.

1101
00:57:11,837 --> 00:57:14,101
If a plan development district has

1102
00:57:14,181 --> 00:57:15,841
a height requirement, uh no, the

1103
00:57:15,921 --> 00:57:17,267
more restrictive applies.

1104
00:57:18,447 --> 00:57:21,111
So if a PDD has a 35 foot height

1105
00:57:21,191 --> 00:57:22,891
requirement and I don't believe

1106
00:57:22,971 --> 00:57:24,951
that PDD is included within uh

1107
00:57:25,031 --> 00:57:26,621
where neighborhood housing could

1108
00:57:26,701 --> 00:57:27,534
occur either.

1109
00:57:27,614 --> 00:57:30,188
So, um, uh there's a few exempted

1110
00:57:30,268 --> 00:57:32,838
areas uh for neighborhood housing,

1111
00:57:32,918 --> 00:57:34,718
traditional neighborhood zoning

1112
00:57:34,798 --> 00:57:37,458
district is exempted, uh some more

1113
00:57:37,538 --> 00:57:38,958
industrial areas if you're in

1114
00:57:39,038 --> 00:57:40,428
traditional form are exempted,

1115
00:57:40,508 --> 00:57:42,188
and then uh plan development

1116
00:57:42,268 --> 00:57:44,618
districts um are exempted, uh but

1117
00:57:44,698 --> 00:57:46,448
just like any other set of

1118
00:57:46,528 --> 00:57:47,738
regulations, the more restrictive

1119
00:57:47,818 --> 00:57:48,684
always applies.

1120
00:57:48,764 --> 00:57:51,218
All right. And also one question

1121
00:57:51,298 --> 00:57:53,728
and of course you read all this,

1122
00:57:53,808 --> 00:57:54,641
but

1123
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:56,905
Does any of these changes take

1124
00:57:56,985 --> 00:57:59,261
the public opinion away?

1125
00:57:59,801 --> 00:58:01,505
We have engaged with the community

1126
00:58:01,585 --> 00:58:03,085
for over five years on these

1127
00:58:03,165 --> 00:58:05,385
regulations to craft a set

1128
00:58:05,465 --> 00:58:08,435
of rules, um, that deliver housing

1129
00:58:08,515 --> 00:58:10,005
choice for everybody in this

1130
00:58:10,085 --> 00:58:11,151
community.

1131
00:58:11,231 --> 00:58:12,064
Okay.

1132
00:58:12,144 --> 00:58:12,977
All right, thank you.

1133
00:58:13,057 --> 00:58:15,367
My last question for now.

1134
00:58:16,527 --> 00:58:18,571
We just touched on before the
meeting,

1135
00:58:18,651 --> 00:58:19,484
the form district.

1136
00:58:19,564 --> 00:58:21,748
There seems to be areas where roads

1137
00:58:21,828 --> 00:58:23,578
have been expanded that the form

1138
00:58:23,658 --> 00:58:25,168
district is not really applicable.

1139
00:58:25,248 --> 00:58:28,218
Do you anticipate a revision to some

1140
00:58:28,298 --> 00:58:29,631
form districts?

1141
00:58:30,334 --> 00:58:33,738
Uh, that that might be appropriate,

1142
00:58:33,818 --> 00:58:35,558
if you've got a four-lane major

1143
00:58:35,638 --> 00:58:36,484
corridor,

1144
00:58:36,564 --> 00:58:37,988
Not with this proposal.

1145
00:58:38,068 --> 00:58:39,261
Not with this, but

1146
00:58:39,341 --> 00:58:40,174
after this,

1147
00:58:40,254 --> 00:58:42,838
But our form districts, just like

1148
00:58:42,918 --> 00:58:44,648
zoning districts, our form districts

1149
00:58:44,728 --> 00:58:47,058
have been driven by uh property by

1150
00:58:47,138 --> 00:58:48,548
property redevelopment

1151
00:58:48,628 --> 00:58:51,564
applications, zoning changes.

1152
00:58:51,644 --> 00:58:53,588
Uh we have an opportunity with

1153
00:58:53,668 --> 00:58:55,278
uh the land development code

1154
00:58:55,358 --> 00:58:58,228
rewrite, um, that we received the

1155
00:58:58,308 --> 00:58:59,848
uh pro-housing grant for a

1156
00:58:59,928 --> 00:59:02,138
multi-million dollar grant from

1157
00:59:02,218 --> 00:59:04,008
from HUD, uh to rethink the

1158
00:59:04,088 --> 00:59:05,818
entirety of the land development

1159
00:59:05,898 --> 00:59:07,898
code, which could include uh some

1160
00:59:07,978 --> 00:59:09,284
changes to some form areas.

1161
00:59:09,364 --> 00:59:10,697
All right, thank you.

1162
00:59:12,504 --> 00:59:14,164
Any other questions, commissioners?

1163
00:59:15,554 --> 00:59:17,438
Okay, we'll move to testimony.

1164
00:59:17,518 --> 00:59:18,654
Thank you, Joe.

1165
00:59:18,734 --> 00:59:20,858
Um, our first person, um, is

1166
00:59:20,938 --> 00:59:22,784
Heather Graham.

1167
00:59:25,594 --> 00:59:27,148
And once again, you'll have four

1168
00:59:27,228 --> 00:59:28,788
minutes to speak and um, if you

1169
00:59:28,868 --> 00:59:30,268
could give your full name and your

1170
00:59:30,348 --> 00:59:31,758
zip code, then raise your

1171
00:59:31,838 --> 00:59:33,388
right hand and I'll swear you

1172
00:59:33,468 --> 00:59:34,698
in and you'll continue with your

1173
00:59:34,778 --> 00:59:35,611
four minutes.

1174
00:59:35,691 --> 00:59:37,315
My name is Heather Graham.

1175
00:59:37,395 --> 00:59:40,545
I live in 40215, but today

1176
00:59:40,625 --> 00:59:43,041
I'm speaking about 40217.

1177
00:59:43,121 --> 00:59:44,055
Can you raise your right hand for me?

1178
00:59:44,135 --> 00:59:46,085
You swear affirm that the testimony

1179
00:59:46,165 --> 00:59:48,201
that you're going to give to this
commission is the truth?

1180
00:59:48,311 --> 00:59:49,635
Yes. All right, thank you. You have

1181
00:59:49,715 --> 00:59:50,831
four minutes.

1182
00:59:50,911 --> 00:59:53,015
Um, today or the reason we were

1183
00:59:53,095 --> 00:59:54,625
invited here today, me and

1184
00:59:54,705 --> 00:59:57,395
my husband was because we had a

1185
00:59:57,475 --> 01:00:00,785
duplex in the Germantown area,

1186
01:00:00,865 --> 01:00:06,257
Stzburg, Maryweather area and it was

1187
01:00:06,337 --> 01:00:09,830
very positive and life altering for
ourselves,

1188
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:12,917
as far as the decisions we were able
to make,

1189
01:00:12,997 --> 01:00:15,940
digging ourselves out of student loan
debt

1190
01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:18,587
and all kinds of things,

1191
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:23,597
um, and making good opportunities at
an affordable price for our
neighbors.

1192
01:00:23,677 --> 01:00:26,147
The way our home was set up,

1193
01:00:26,227 --> 01:00:28,670
we lived at 1604 South Shelby Street.

1194
01:00:28,750 --> 01:00:33,570
It was a duplex where we lived on
top, and so we occupied this space

1195
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:36,657
and then we rented out the lower
level.

1196
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:41,190
Um, as a result, we were in a
position where we

1197
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:44,037
did not have the rent very high,

1198
01:00:44,117 --> 01:00:48,880
which put a lot of people, um, our
different tenants and so forth.

1199
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,040
We, we lived with them.

1200
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,670
We had good relationships, they were
able to save their money

1201
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:56,637
and move into permanent homes later

1202
01:00:56,747 --> 01:00:59,590
that made a world of difference for
their families.

1203
01:00:59,670 --> 01:01:03,480
And so I was here to make a positive
testimony towards that

1204
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,170
multi-living space and what it did
for us,

1205
01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:09,780
and then when we were no longer able
to fit into our apartment

1206
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:12,267
anymore because we continued to have
kids,

1207
01:01:12,347 --> 01:01:15,627
uh, and we needed closet space and we
were in Germantown.

1208
01:01:16,247 --> 01:01:19,010
Um, we moved into the south end, and
we were able to continue to

1209
01:01:19,090 --> 01:01:21,020
maintain that unit until later

1210
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:24,860
we sold it to an individual who also
would occupy that space because

1211
01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:26,837
we felt like

1212
01:01:27,027 --> 01:01:30,450
if you lived in that property and
lived in the community,

1213
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:33,377
you would continue to make decisions
that benefited it.

1214
01:01:33,577 --> 01:01:36,270
So that was my testimony today

1215
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:42,090
about how being in that home really
made a difference in our life

1216
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:46,757
and those who we rented it to, and it
did not disturb that space.

1217
01:01:47,187 --> 01:01:50,310
And as I say this out loud, another
thing that was really

1218
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:52,690
awesome about it was because we were
on that main corridor.

1219
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:56,170
That serves as an invisible barrier
because of high traffic.

1220
01:01:56,250 --> 01:02:00,410
So really, it contributed to a
neighborhood feeling, having

1221
01:02:00,490 --> 01:02:05,457
more than one family living in those
homes that were there.

1222
01:02:05,717 --> 01:02:08,100
Um, we were able to communicate
better, we were able to have

1223
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:11,220
better relationships and that built
up our community, which later
resulted

1224
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:12,920
in neighborhood associations

1225
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,590
and later on, when we moved to
another community,

1226
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:18,300
we were already accustomed to being
involved,

1227
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:21,280
and then we got involved with those
neighborhood associations

1228
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,827
and then later that grew into a
farmer's market in Iroquois Park.

1229
01:02:26,287 --> 01:02:28,670
So I know it seems far stretch,

1230
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:30,450
but really that made a huge

1231
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:32,790
difference for us that we were able
to make that decision

1232
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:35,237
and be involved in the community that
way.

1233
01:02:35,517 --> 01:02:36,580
So that was my thoughts today.

1234
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:38,040
Thank you for listening.

1235
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,010
Thank you. Any questions, Heather?

1236
01:02:40,090 --> 01:02:42,467
Yes, do you have any questions? Feel
free.

1237
01:02:43,037 --> 01:02:43,950
Thank you very much.

1238
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:45,377
Okay, have a good day.

1239
01:02:45,457 --> 01:02:46,290
Bye.

1240
01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:48,963
DeAndre had to leave us, so you all
are fortunate

1241
01:02:49,043 --> 01:02:52,120
enough to have me for the rest of the
meeting.

1242
01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:55,160
Uh, Scott Waggenist?

1243
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:08,873
Uh, state your, please state your
full name, address and, um, zip code.

1244
01:03:08,953 --> 01:03:11,923
Thank you, Mr. Commissioner and
members of the Commission.

1245
01:03:12,003 --> 01:03:13,733
My name is Scott Waggenist,

1246
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:16,160
40206.

1247
01:03:16,820 --> 01:03:19,883
Um, and that is in part what I am
speak

1248
01:03:19,963 --> 01:03:20,796
I

1249
01:03:20,876 --> 01:03:23,629
[laughter]

1250
01:03:23,709 --> 01:03:24,542
raise your right hand.

1251
01:03:24,622 --> 01:03:27,015
Do you solemnly swear to that the
testimony you're about to

1252
01:03:27,095 --> 01:03:28,735
give is the truth?

1253
01:03:28,815 --> 01:03:30,202
I do.

1254
01:03:30,762 --> 01:03:32,095
Proceed.

1255
01:03:33,002 --> 01:03:36,895
What I I wanted to bring were several
points in support of

1256
01:03:36,975 --> 01:03:39,675
the work thus far in

1257
01:03:39,755 --> 01:03:44,055
by the commission and by the office
of planning.

1258
01:03:44,135 --> 01:03:48,215
I'm here to speak on behalf of my
family,

1259
01:03:48,295 --> 01:03:49,128
Um,

1260
01:03:49,208 --> 01:03:51,911
my children and their grandchildren

1261
01:03:51,991 --> 01:03:55,101
and my neighborhood of Clifton, which
I think is an ideal model

1262
01:03:55,181 --> 01:03:57,711
that is developed over hundreds of
years.

1263
01:03:57,791 --> 01:04:00,371
uh, along the Frankfurt Avenue
Corridor.

1264
01:04:00,451 --> 01:04:04,501
I've participated in a number of the
opportunities to learn

1265
01:04:04,581 --> 01:04:09,711
more about the plan and the LDC
through the the planning

1266
01:04:09,791 --> 01:04:13,591
Commission, the office of planning

1267
01:04:13,671 --> 01:04:15,881
and their outreach to communities.

1268
01:04:15,961 --> 01:04:19,911
And we've been able to tour what I
think are successful designs

1269
01:04:19,991 --> 01:04:22,831
in the city now.

1270
01:04:22,911 --> 01:04:26,801
I'm also on the staff of AARP
Kentucky.

1271
01:04:26,881 --> 01:04:29,361
And I'm speaking on in part on behalf
of that,

1272
01:04:29,441 --> 01:04:33,851
and we do support passage of the LDC
as drafted.

1273
01:04:33,931 --> 01:04:38,241
For a number of reasons, primarily
expanding housing options

1274
01:04:38,321 --> 01:04:40,561
is good for communities,

1275
01:04:40,641 --> 01:04:43,871
and communities that have a
thoughtful and long-term plan

1276
01:04:43,951 --> 01:04:46,411
are going to succeed more

1277
01:04:46,491 --> 01:04:49,411
when they're able to provide
accessible, affordable,

1278
01:04:49,491 --> 01:04:53,771
um, opportunities for individuals to
live in

1279
01:04:53,851 --> 01:04:56,511
multi-generational units,

1280
01:04:56,591 --> 01:04:59,781
to age in their neighborhood, which
is something we hear repeatedly

1281
01:04:59,861 --> 01:05:03,311
with the AARP research is individuals
want to live

1282
01:05:03,391 --> 01:05:07,288
in their own homes or downscale.

1283
01:05:07,678 --> 01:05:11,138
downsize rather into smaller units.

1284
01:05:11,238 --> 01:05:14,768
The walkability aspects that are
built into the plan are, I

1285
01:05:14,848 --> 01:05:16,748
think, exceptional and thoughtful

1286
01:05:16,828 --> 01:05:19,688
and we would certainly support that.

1287
01:05:20,138 --> 01:05:23,028
Um, but I just primarily wanted to
offer our support

1288
01:05:23,108 --> 01:05:25,848
and my support as a Louisvillian

1289
01:05:25,928 --> 01:05:29,588
for the passage of the plan as
drafted.

1290
01:05:29,718 --> 01:05:32,348
And I'll take any questions that you
might have.

1291
01:05:32,975 --> 01:05:34,655
Any questions for Scott?

1292
01:05:36,495 --> 01:05:37,995
Thank you very much. Thanks.

1293
01:05:38,095 --> 01:05:41,645
Uh, we have seven people that have
signed up,

1294
01:05:41,725 --> 01:05:44,755
and I'm going to ask you to stand
when I call your name.

1295
01:05:44,835 --> 01:05:49,555
We'll swear you all in at one time
and then I'll recall your name to

1296
01:05:49,635 --> 01:05:52,895
come up one, one uh, one at a time to
uh,

1297
01:05:52,975 --> 01:05:55,945
have your uh speech.

1298
01:05:56,025 --> 01:05:57,575
Nicole Caram

1299
01:05:58,715 --> 01:06:00,285
Owen Graham

1300
01:06:01,575 --> 01:06:02,965
Joan Polley

1301
01:06:09,865 --> 01:06:12,775
Okay, Nicole, I think you signed up
twice.

1302
01:06:13,015 --> 01:06:14,495
Steve Porter

1303
01:06:17,045 --> 01:06:18,595
and Ann Ramser.

1304
01:06:21,705 --> 01:06:23,175
I meant to Jacob Post, didn't I?

1305
01:06:23,255 --> 01:06:24,588
No.

1306
01:06:24,805 --> 01:06:27,885
We're just taking testimony, we're
not taking in support

1307
01:06:27,965 --> 01:06:29,805
or opposition. Yeah.

1308
01:06:30,595 --> 01:06:31,745
All right, raise your right hand.

1309
01:06:31,825 --> 01:06:34,965
Do you solemnly swear that the
testimony you're about to give

1310
01:06:35,045 --> 01:06:36,395
uh is the truth?

1311
01:06:36,715 --> 01:06:37,915
I do.

1312
01:06:37,995 --> 01:06:39,328
Okay.

1313
01:06:41,385 --> 01:06:42,765
Uh, Nicole.

1314
01:06:45,615 --> 01:06:47,865
State your name and address,
including your zip.

1315
01:06:47,945 --> 01:06:50,365
Just name and zip code is all you
need. Yeah.

1316
01:06:50,595 --> 01:06:52,175
Um, my name is Nicole Caram.

1317
01:06:52,255 --> 01:06:54,525
I live in 40205.

1318
01:06:55,425 --> 01:06:58,575
Um, like I said, my name is Nicole
Caram.

1319
01:06:58,655 --> 01:07:00,585
I, I grew up here in Louisville.

1320
01:07:00,665 --> 01:07:01,775
I'm from Louisville.

1321
01:07:01,855 --> 01:07:03,375
I grew up in the Highlands.

1322
01:07:03,455 --> 01:07:08,655
Um, I grew up walking on Bardstown
Road with my friends,

1323
01:07:08,735 --> 01:07:13,085
um, after school let out for half
days at Assumption,

1324
01:07:13,165 --> 01:07:17,205
um, I grew up showing all my friends
from the East End

1325
01:07:17,285 --> 01:07:20,615
all of the great things about
Bardstown Road.

1326
01:07:20,795 --> 01:07:23,515
And I love Bardstown Road and I love
Louisville.

1327
01:07:23,995 --> 01:07:27,205
Um, I left for a couple of years to
go to law school.

1328
01:07:27,615 --> 01:07:30,235
Um, and when I was in law school,

1329
01:07:30,315 --> 01:07:34,815
I developed a bit of a reputation
because of how much

1330
01:07:34,895 --> 01:07:37,625
I talked about Louisville and
Kentucky.

1331
01:07:37,705 --> 01:07:40,185
And, um, my friends would

1332
01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:44,295
they knew that that was like 50% of
my personality.

1333
01:07:44,425 --> 01:07:47,145
And so, um, I worked for a couple of
years

1334
01:07:47,225 --> 01:07:50,205
in Washington DC after I finished law
school and,

1335
01:07:50,285 --> 01:07:54,585
um, when my lease was up, I was
considering what the next

1336
01:07:55,695 --> 01:07:58,805
few years of my life would look like
or

1337
01:07:58,885 --> 01:08:02,535
maybe the rest of my life, and I
decided that I wanted to come back
home.

1338
01:08:03,135 --> 01:08:06,025
Um, because this is the place

1339
01:08:06,105 --> 01:08:08,535
where my heart is.

1340
01:08:08,715 --> 01:08:12,435
And so I decided to move back to
Louisville and now I live

1341
01:08:12,515 --> 01:08:14,495
in an apartment on Douglas Boulevard

1342
01:08:14,835 --> 01:08:17,215
in one of the sixplexes, on the third
floor.

1343
01:08:17,295 --> 01:08:20,035
It's a walk up, which is probably not
going to be fun in the winter.

1344
01:08:20,115 --> 01:08:23,405
But, um, I moved back in April and I
love it there.

1345
01:08:24,025 --> 01:08:27,105
Um, I love that I can walk to the
loop, I love that I can

1346
01:08:27,185 --> 01:08:28,335
walk to the farmer's market.

1347
01:08:28,415 --> 01:08:30,515
I love that I can bike to my parents'
house

1348
01:08:30,595 --> 01:08:32,825
and take the bus downtown.

1349
01:08:33,675 --> 01:08:35,655
Um, but I rent my apartment.

1350
01:08:36,295 --> 01:08:40,555
Because I want to live somewhere like
the Highlands or Clifton or,

1351
01:08:40,635 --> 01:08:42,365
um, Old Louisville.

1352
01:08:42,615 --> 01:08:45,765
And I can't afford to. I can only
afford to rent.

1353
01:08:45,845 --> 01:08:47,055
I can't afford to buy a house,

1354
01:08:47,135 --> 01:08:50,385
even though it's just me. I don't
have any kids and I have a good job.

1355
01:08:51,075 --> 01:08:53,795
Um, but I can't afford to live in the
places in Louisville

1356
01:08:53,875 --> 01:08:56,895
that are walkable. Um, if I want to
buy a house there.

1357
01:08:57,585 --> 01:08:59,375
Um, and so I made the calculation

1358
01:08:59,455 --> 01:09:03,055
that at least for now, um, renting an
apartment is worth it

1359
01:09:03,135 --> 01:09:06,605
because I get to have the lifestyle
that I want and that I love.

1360
01:09:07,315 --> 01:09:10,375
Um, and this bill, if it's passed,

1361
01:09:10,455 --> 01:09:15,345
will make the life that I love
accessible to new homeowners,

1362
01:09:15,425 --> 01:09:18,455
Um, to people who want to be new home
owners like me.

1363
01:09:18,595 --> 01:09:22,625
Um, to people who grew up in the city
and want to make a life here.

1364
01:09:22,705 --> 01:09:26,775
To people who are just learning about
the city, who came here

1365
01:09:26,855 --> 01:09:29,935
for a new job or because they got
married or because they went

1366
01:09:30,015 --> 01:09:33,125
to school at UVAL and they fell in
love with the city.

1367
01:09:33,405 --> 01:09:36,855
Um, I find that people in Louisville
are kind of obsessed with Louisville.

1368
01:09:37,045 --> 01:09:38,815
Um, I think it's a good thing.

1369
01:09:39,215 --> 01:09:42,625
And I think that this shows the love
that the people who

1370
01:09:42,705 --> 01:09:47,355
have developed this proposal have for
the city.

1371
01:09:47,595 --> 01:09:52,585
Um, and passing it would show the
care that the people who

1372
01:09:52,665 --> 01:09:55,525
make decisions for the city have.

1373
01:09:55,925 --> 01:09:59,545
Um, I don't know that I have much
else to say other than

1374
01:09:59,625 --> 01:10:03,015
I want to be able to keep living in
this city in the parts of it

1375
01:10:03,095 --> 01:10:04,715
that I love, walking and biking.

1376
01:10:04,795 --> 01:10:07,506
I want to raise a family in the parts
of it that I love.

1377
01:10:07,586 --> 01:10:10,696
love and this makes that accessible.

1378
01:10:10,886 --> 01:10:15,806
So, I hope you recommend passing it.
I hope Metro Council follows suit.

1379
01:10:15,886 --> 01:10:19,886
Um, and I am very excited for all of
the new and exciting things

1380
01:10:19,966 --> 01:10:21,746
that it brings for the city.

1381
01:10:21,826 --> 01:10:23,159
Thank you.

1382
01:10:23,706 --> 01:10:24,539
[coughs]

1383
01:10:24,966 --> 01:10:26,586
Oh. Sorry.

1384
01:10:28,416 --> 01:10:29,749
Thank you.

1385
01:10:30,286 --> 01:10:31,119
[clears throat]

1386
01:10:37,931 --> 01:10:40,181
Owen Graham, 40215.

1387
01:10:41,311 --> 01:10:43,551
All right, thank you, Commissioners,
for hearing us today.

1388
01:10:43,861 --> 01:10:47,281
Uh, so my wife Heather was the first
to speak, so you're gonna get a

1389
01:10:47,361 --> 01:10:49,161
a few more details about our story.

1390
01:10:49,241 --> 01:10:52,081
I'm here to speak in favor of
neighborhood housing,

1391
01:10:52,161 --> 01:10:55,691
and I want to talk about how that
duplex changed my life.

1392
01:10:56,281 --> 01:11:00,681
I moved in in 2012, uh, first as the
roommate of the owner,

1393
01:11:00,761 --> 01:11:02,201
a friend of mine.

1394
01:11:02,281 --> 01:11:05,981
Also, his remodeling helper as the
building was in need of a lot

1395
01:11:06,061 --> 01:11:07,394
of fixes.

1396
01:11:08,021 --> 01:11:11,151
Um, later, he got married, then I got
married,

1397
01:11:11,231 --> 01:11:15,381
and uh, we split it up, and we ran
the building like a co-op, two units,

1398
01:11:15,461 --> 01:11:17,901
one family upstairs and one family
down.

1399
01:11:18,391 --> 01:11:22,781
After a few years, then they moved to
another home, and we bought them out

1400
01:11:22,861 --> 01:11:25,351
and we became owner-occupant
landlords.

1401
01:11:26,321 --> 01:11:30,811
You will never see a landlord with
more skin in the game than an owner
occupant.

1402
01:11:31,021 --> 01:11:33,761
It changes the relationship entirely.

1403
01:11:33,841 --> 01:11:39,051
You have to be neighbors, you have to
care about the quality of the home
like it's your own, because it is.

1404
01:11:39,361 --> 01:11:42,191
We worked hard to keep it safe, warm,
clean,

1405
01:11:42,271 --> 01:11:45,681
and we often accepted delayed
payments from good tenants who

1406
01:11:45,761 --> 01:11:49,501
were going through tough times to
make sure that we could keep them.

1407
01:11:50,441 --> 01:11:55,291
Two different times, our tenants
moved on to be first-time home buyers
themselves.

1408
01:11:56,291 --> 01:12:00,531
We also learned a lot about property
management, handling midnight
maintenance

1409
01:12:00,611 --> 01:12:05,811
calls, building relationships with
reliable trades people for the things
that we couldn't do ourselves.

1410
01:12:06,211 --> 01:12:10,551
Between the tenants, we made
improvements, carefully considering
the long-term value.

1411
01:12:11,041 --> 01:12:15,681
An owner-occupied duplex is a small
business incubator,

1412
01:12:15,761 --> 01:12:20,011
a relationship builder, and a leg up
on home ownership all together.

1413
01:12:21,761 --> 01:12:28,761
So when we finally moved to our new
place, we held out until we were able
to sell to another owner-occupant
because we knew how good it could be
for the community.

1414
01:12:29,011 --> 01:12:32,401
I'm proud to say we left that house
in better shape than we found it.

1415
01:12:32,761 --> 01:12:37,801
But most of all, I'm proud to say
that in 13 years, no one was ever
evicted.

1416
01:12:37,961 --> 01:12:40,421
No one ever had their rent raised.

1417
01:12:40,661 --> 01:12:44,981
In 13 years, nine different families
passed through that building

1418
01:12:45,061 --> 01:12:48,461
and four of them ended up as
homeowners.

1419
01:12:48,991 --> 01:12:52,581
It adapted to these changing needs
over the years,

1420
01:12:52,661 --> 01:12:56,611
in a way that you'll never get with
giant complexes.

1421
01:12:58,211 --> 01:13:05,211
So I'm in favor of neighborhood
housing because allowing more
duplexes, triplexes, all these things
that Joel talked about,

1422
01:13:05,411 --> 01:13:09,061
is going to make it possible for more
Louisvillians to repeat that story.

1423
01:13:09,801 --> 01:13:13,681
I'm also in favor of it, and I'm glad
to see that AARP was here today,

1424
01:13:13,761 --> 01:13:16,981
because now we do live in a
single-family home, but we're

1425
01:13:17,061 --> 01:13:20,861
considering building an ADU so that
we can take care of our parents as
they age.

1426
01:13:22,961 --> 01:13:27,661
Please vote to recommend this the
Metro Council,

1427
01:13:27,861 --> 01:13:32,181
so that more people can have chances
not only to become home homeowners,

1428
01:13:32,261 --> 01:13:36,631
but to give chances and assistance to
others in the way that we did.

1429
01:13:37,001 --> 01:13:38,334
Thank you.

1430
01:13:41,041 --> 01:13:41,874
[clears throat]

1431
01:13:45,751 --> 01:13:47,084
Thank you.

1432
01:13:56,862 --> 01:14:01,632
Hello, my name's Joan Pauli and my
zip code is 40223.

1433
01:14:01,852 --> 01:14:05,672
Um, I'm here in in strong support of
these changes.

1434
01:14:05,752 --> 01:14:10,482
as a realtor, and also as an aspiring
developer builder

1435
01:14:10,562 --> 01:14:13,322
of Cottage Court neighborhoods.

1436
01:14:13,762 --> 01:14:17,302
Um, I love hearing these stories
because I hear them every day.

1437
01:14:17,472 --> 01:14:21,482
Um, I primarily focus on first-time
home buyers because that's a passion

1438
01:14:21,562 --> 01:14:26,082
for me, and it breaks my heart that
the first-time home buyer averages

1439
01:14:26,162 --> 01:14:27,862
40 years old today.

1440
01:14:28,052 --> 01:14:33,682
Um, and so I I do workshops, I I
partner with Young Professional

1441
01:14:33,762 --> 01:14:36,462
Association of Louisville, YPAL.

1442
01:14:36,792 --> 01:14:42,962
And we've given workshops, we've put
about 100 people through on
first-time home buyer workshops.

1443
01:14:43,242 --> 01:14:46,682
Um, you'd be I mean, I've been
surprised

1444
01:14:46,762 --> 01:14:49,172
at the number of people that have
moved into Louisville.

1445
01:14:49,252 --> 01:14:52,982
So every time I do a workshop, I ask
how many people are from Louisville.

1446
01:14:53,062 --> 01:14:55,882
About half are, but the other half
are moving in,

1447
01:14:55,962 --> 01:14:58,612
and they've fallen in love with
Louisville.

1448
01:14:58,692 --> 01:15:02,052
And they're renters, and they want to
put down roots here.

1449
01:15:02,232 --> 01:15:07,442
But just like you've said, they can't
afford these prices for homes.

1450
01:15:07,743 --> 01:15:09,178
We've got more inventory

1451
01:15:09,258 --> 01:15:11,473
on the market right now than we've
had in 10 years,

1452
01:15:11,553 --> 01:15:13,878
but there's a mix there's a

1453
01:15:13,958 --> 01:15:15,778
mismatch of the kinds of

1454
01:15:15,858 --> 01:15:17,773
homes that first-time home buyers
want.

1455
01:15:17,853 --> 01:15:19,893
They want smaller footprint homes.

1456
01:15:19,973 --> 01:15:21,378
They want to be in walkable

1457
01:15:21,458 --> 01:15:23,553
neighborhoods, just like you've
talked about.

1458
01:15:23,683 --> 01:15:25,178
And the more affordable homes

1459
01:15:25,258 --> 01:15:26,273
are out further out,

1460
01:15:26,353 --> 01:15:27,863
and they're not walkable.

1461
01:15:27,943 --> 01:15:30,078
So, I think these changes

1462
01:15:30,158 --> 01:15:33,293
would also, um, help spur,

1463
01:15:33,373 --> 01:15:35,078
The better our economic

1464
01:15:35,158 --> 01:15:37,078
development department does here

1465
01:15:37,158 --> 01:15:39,133
to bring new businesses in,

1466
01:15:39,213 --> 01:15:40,678
the more housing we're going

1467
01:15:40,758 --> 01:15:42,383
to need for young professionals.

1468
01:15:42,463 --> 01:15:43,878
So I mainly work with

1469
01:15:43,958 --> 01:15:45,643
workforce housing folks.

1470
01:15:45,753 --> 01:15:47,278
The other part of it that

1471
01:15:47,358 --> 01:15:48,878
I'm really in support of is

1472
01:15:48,958 --> 01:15:50,878
is the development, um, of

1473
01:15:50,958 --> 01:15:52,283
cottage court neighborhoods.

1474
01:15:52,363 --> 01:15:54,178
And the reason why I love this,

1475
01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:56,743
these changes is,

1476
01:15:56,863 --> 01:15:59,078
First of all, it spurs more,

1477
01:15:59,158 --> 01:16:01,678
um, local developers like

1478
01:16:01,758 --> 01:16:03,843
our local renter for the duplex.

1479
01:16:03,923 --> 01:16:06,723
You have citizens building for
citizens.

1480
01:16:06,803 --> 01:16:08,673
You've got skin in the game.

1481
01:16:08,883 --> 01:16:10,678
You have infill development,

1482
01:16:10,758 --> 01:16:12,713
so you're going to be a smaller
developer,

1483
01:16:12,793 --> 01:16:14,178
rather than the larger

1484
01:16:14,258 --> 01:16:15,278
production home builders

1485
01:16:15,358 --> 01:16:17,183
or apartment builders.

1486
01:16:17,263 --> 01:16:19,078
So, I'm in big support of that

1487
01:16:19,158 --> 01:16:20,278
to help support

1488
01:16:20,358 --> 01:16:22,753
more local developers.

1489
01:16:22,833 --> 01:16:25,943
And also, um, the predictability that
comes.

1490
01:16:26,023 --> 01:16:28,773
If this these codes are put in place,

1491
01:16:28,853 --> 01:16:32,003
then perhaps I don't have to hire a
land use attorney.

1492
01:16:32,083 --> 01:16:35,078
And that's going to reduce the amount
of cost to me,

1493
01:16:35,158 --> 01:16:37,803
which I can pass on to the end buyer.

1494
01:16:37,903 --> 01:16:41,278
So for both of those hats from a
realtor perspective

1495
01:16:41,358 --> 01:16:43,723
and a developer builder perspective,

1496
01:16:44,263 --> 01:16:45,283
this is a God send.

1497
01:16:45,363 --> 01:16:47,373
Thank you. I hope you pass it.

1498
01:16:48,759 --> 01:16:52,278
I have a question, um, not sorry, not
necessarily for

1499
01:16:52,358 --> 01:16:55,649
Miss Polly, but in follow up to
something you just said.

1500
01:16:56,249 --> 01:16:59,878
And again, going back to Commissioner
Leonard and

1501
01:16:59,958 --> 01:17:01,649
Commissioner Cheek's and my,

1502
01:17:01,749 --> 01:17:06,899
um, inquiries in terms of those gray
areas,

1503
01:17:07,449 --> 01:17:10,449
that are sort of out in suburbia,

1504
01:17:10,559 --> 01:17:15,558
say that Miss Polly had a, you know,
four or five acre

1505
01:17:15,658 --> 01:17:20,778
site out there, and she's already
expressed her desire

1506
01:17:20,858 --> 01:17:22,629
about doing cottage courts.

1507
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:27,278
So that would be an option as a buy
right,

1508
01:17:27,358 --> 01:17:29,578
provided that you meet the standards
type of

1509
01:17:29,658 --> 01:17:32,589
administrative approval, right?

1510
01:17:32,669 --> 01:17:35,978
Yes, and compliance with all the
regulations that have been

1511
01:17:36,058 --> 01:17:38,969
proposed and all other applicable
regulations in the land.

1512
01:17:39,049 --> 01:17:40,759
Including the subregs, of course.

1513
01:17:40,839 --> 01:17:42,079
Yes. Okay, cool.

1514
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:43,949
All right. There you go.

1515
01:17:44,809 --> 01:17:46,149
Any other questions?

1516
01:17:47,049 --> 01:17:48,849
Uh, Anne Ramser.

1517
01:18:03,425 --> 01:18:05,278
I'm Anne Hamster and I'm going to
give you my street

1518
01:18:05,358 --> 01:18:06,305
address because it's important.

1519
01:18:06,385 --> 01:18:10,745
307 East Kenwood Drive, Louisville,
Kentucky 40214.

1520
01:18:10,915 --> 01:18:13,645
I live on the north side of East
Kenwood.

1521
01:18:13,935 --> 01:18:16,935
That area is in the black area up
here.

1522
01:18:17,215 --> 01:18:19,755
Right across the street is in the
gray area.

1523
01:18:19,835 --> 01:18:23,055
Now I know you have to have an ending
line,

1524
01:18:23,135 --> 01:18:26,635
but that I'm a half mile, more than a
half mile from New Cut.

1525
01:18:26,715 --> 01:18:28,305
So it's definitely going to affect
me.

1526
01:18:28,385 --> 01:18:31,325
And I'm not against middle housing.

1527
01:18:31,405 --> 01:18:34,078
Don't get me wrong on that. They've
been talking about

1528
01:18:34,158 --> 01:18:36,055
that for five or six years.

1529
01:18:36,135 --> 01:18:38,605
Middle housing is great.

1530
01:18:38,905 --> 01:18:42,378
What I am against totally and I've
given you all a

1531
01:18:42,458 --> 01:18:44,935
lengthy response, I went line by
line.

1532
01:18:45,358 --> 01:18:48,858
And some of the things I've heard up
here are not accurate.

1533
01:18:49,375 --> 01:18:52,025
But I it's I hope you all have taken
the time to read that.

1534
01:18:52,105 --> 01:18:55,878
What I'm against is non-elected,
non-appointed

1535
01:18:55,958 --> 01:18:59,915
decision makers without any public
input.

1536
01:18:59,995 --> 01:19:01,455
That's simply not appropriate.

1537
01:19:01,535 --> 01:19:02,868
There's no oversight.

1538
01:19:03,405 --> 01:19:08,078
With the ADUs at that time, when it
first came through,

1539
01:19:08,158 --> 01:19:11,755
I randomly pulled five examples from
their list.

1540
01:19:11,835 --> 01:19:14,975
At that time, I had to do open
records request.

1541
01:19:15,055 --> 01:19:18,078
On every one of the five, they had
fudged

1542
01:19:18,158 --> 01:19:20,315
one of the standards.

1543
01:19:20,395 --> 01:19:22,315
They didn't follow it to the letter.

1544
01:19:22,395 --> 01:19:24,778
So for them to say, well, we're going
to follow the

1545
01:19:24,858 --> 01:19:27,375
standards, that's what they said on
the ADUs.

1546
01:19:27,455 --> 01:19:30,065
So, I'm sorry, I don't believe it.

1547
01:19:30,805 --> 01:19:36,378
Um, the on their, um, talking about
these, Wabash,

1548
01:19:36,458 --> 01:19:39,778
I included some pictures of a town
home that's in

1549
01:19:39,858 --> 01:19:41,825
the town home complex.

1550
01:19:42,035 --> 01:19:44,315
It is horrible. You need to look at
those pictures.

1551
01:19:44,395 --> 01:19:48,278
I mean, there's a townhouse on one
side of the two houses

1552
01:19:48,358 --> 01:19:51,078
on one side of the firewall, one's
got different roofing

1553
01:19:51,158 --> 01:19:51,991
from the other.

1554
01:19:52,071 --> 01:19:55,571
It looks horrible. Uh, and I've given
you the pictures.

1555
01:19:55,651 --> 01:19:58,934
When you ask them specific questions,
them being

1556
01:19:59,014 --> 01:20:00,081
the office of planning,

1557
01:20:00,161 --> 01:20:03,114
well, what happens if, well, you call
311.

1558
01:20:03,671 --> 01:20:05,334
We're not going to take care

1559
01:20:05,414 --> 01:20:07,534
of those issues that the office of
planning.

1560
01:20:07,614 --> 01:20:08,834
crude.

1561
01:20:08,914 --> 01:20:15,254
My next issue is, is if this goes to,
don't include almost all of the urban
service district.

1562
01:20:15,334 --> 01:20:19,244
Not all of it's included right now.
But don't include all of it.

1563
01:20:19,514 --> 01:20:21,304
They referred to short-term rentals.

1564
01:20:21,384 --> 01:20:26,264
Initially, short-term rentals had a
lot more areas covered.

1565
01:20:26,344 --> 01:20:31,504
And then it tore apart homes,
neighborhoods, Phoenix Hill being
one.

1566
01:20:31,584 --> 01:20:34,434
Then they came back and they drew it
back in.

1567
01:20:34,514 --> 01:20:38,594
I'm saying start small. Why don't we
just include broadway?

1568
01:20:38,674 --> 01:20:41,624
Don't do such a large area of urban
service district.

1569
01:20:41,704 --> 01:20:44,894
You can't go back and fix damage
you've already done.

1570
01:20:45,084 --> 01:20:47,284
You can only go back and prevent
future damage.

1571
01:20:47,364 --> 01:20:49,984
So I'm asking that they do a smaller
area.

1572
01:20:50,114 --> 01:20:53,134
Not almost the entire urban service
district.

1573
01:20:53,834 --> 01:20:55,864
Um, can I

1574
01:20:55,944 --> 01:21:00,484
And then for the block face, I think
50% is too much.

1575
01:21:00,684 --> 01:21:03,804
I think you need to start again,
start small.

1576
01:21:03,884 --> 01:21:07,604
If you find out that it doesn't do
any damage to the neighborhoods,

1577
01:21:07,684 --> 01:21:11,314
then you can increase that, but start
at 20%.

1578
01:21:11,834 --> 01:21:15,254
And when they're talking three, they
said they only three together.

1579
01:21:15,334 --> 01:21:20,254
Well, if you put three multiplexes
together, that's 36 units.

1580
01:21:20,334 --> 01:21:23,284
They talked about it. So I'm asking,

1581
01:21:24,094 --> 01:21:28,104
I'm not totally against it, I know we
need housing,

1582
01:21:28,184 --> 01:21:30,314
but if you don't do it correctly,

1583
01:21:30,394 --> 01:21:32,604
then you damage the neighborhoods
that are here.

1584
01:21:32,684 --> 01:21:34,884
And I am not against middle housing,

1585
01:21:34,964 --> 01:21:39,284
but I am against this being approved
by non-elected,

1586
01:21:39,364 --> 01:21:42,614
non-appointed decision makers without
public input.

1587
01:21:42,694 --> 01:21:44,904
That's just not appropriate.

1588
01:21:45,864 --> 01:21:47,544
I'm available for questions.

1589
01:21:47,624 --> 01:21:49,164
Any questions, Ran?

1590
01:21:50,694 --> 01:21:52,314
And thank you. Thank you.

1591
01:21:52,944 --> 01:21:54,444
Oh, it's Steve Porter.

1592
01:22:05,304 --> 01:22:06,714
Steve Porter.

1593
01:22:07,014 --> 01:22:12,714
I live in and own with my wife a
fourth the 1/4 of a fourplex.

1594
01:22:12,964 --> 01:22:17,224
at 3109 West Tone Way 40241.

1595
01:22:17,814 --> 01:22:24,254
And it's a great place to live,
especially after the great big old
place I had to take care of before.

1596
01:22:26,014 --> 01:22:30,534
I will try to, you've gotten in front
of you, uh, a couple of pages.

1597
01:22:30,614 --> 01:22:34,324
and I'm going to try and summarize
some of this because I otherwise

1598
01:22:34,404 --> 01:22:36,294
I'll take more than four minutes.

1599
01:22:36,964 --> 01:22:42,714
I have no quarrel with all the pages
of what Joel, Rachel,

1600
01:22:42,914 --> 01:22:47,634
Brian, Joe, and others put together
as far as these various duplex,

1601
01:22:47,714 --> 01:22:49,634
triplex, et cetera, the designs.

1602
01:22:49,714 --> 01:22:53,814
I think that is fabulous and I think
that is needed in our community.

1603
01:22:53,944 --> 01:22:58,514
And it is needed maybe everywhere in
our community eventually.

1604
01:22:58,914 --> 01:23:05,314
But this it before you tonight is 154
pages

1605
01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:08,904
of changes in the land development
code.

1606
01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:10,484
Three sections.

1607
01:23:10,614 --> 01:23:16,684
I think you need to do this one
section at a time at the very least.

1608
01:23:17,704 --> 01:23:21,384
It's too much too soon at this point.

1609
01:23:22,284 --> 01:23:25,184
There are a couple of things, uh,
definition of multiplex,

1610
01:23:25,264 --> 01:23:28,114
I think 12 units is too much, I would
suggest eight.

1611
01:23:28,694 --> 01:23:33,084
Then getting into the process of
public participation.

1612
01:23:34,084 --> 01:23:36,534
If we're going to have this by right,

1613
01:23:36,964 --> 01:23:41,734
at least let the public know, at
least let the neighbors know what

1614
01:23:41,814 --> 01:23:45,714
might be happening next door to them
or across the street.

1615
01:23:46,284 --> 01:23:49,014
Have a requirement for a neighborhood
meeting.

1616
01:23:49,714 --> 01:23:53,784
And have a requirement that the
neighborhood meeting have minutes

1617
01:23:53,864 --> 01:23:57,484
and that those minutes be sent to the
planning director before the

1618
01:23:57,564 --> 01:23:59,054
planning director makes that final
decision.

1619
01:23:59,134 --> 01:24:03,484
Neighbors just might have some
reasons why, whether it's a

1620
01:24:03,564 --> 01:24:05,734
drainage, you know, whatever it might
be,

1621
01:24:05,814 --> 01:24:10,084
that this particular lot and this
particular proposal does not meet

1622
01:24:10,164 --> 01:24:11,614
the land development code.

1623
01:24:12,214 --> 01:24:15,534
So at the very least, I think there
should be neighborhood meeting

1624
01:24:15,614 --> 01:24:21,514
and possibility that uh, the
neighbors can then submit uh,

1625
01:24:22,014 --> 01:24:24,004
suggestions, comments, whatever,

1626
01:24:24,084 --> 01:24:28,104
And then ultimately if the planning
director goes against the neighbors,

1627
01:24:28,184 --> 01:24:31,114
they could appeal it under 1171.

1628
01:24:32,084 --> 01:24:37,634
Also, I think that the application
should require a statement of that

1629
01:24:37,714 --> 01:24:40,084
there are no deed restrictions on the
property

1630
01:24:40,164 --> 01:24:41,914
which would prevent the proposal.

1631
01:24:42,314 --> 01:24:47,734
And the uh response from your legal
staff would be the city and

1632
01:24:47,814 --> 01:24:50,214
county do not enforce deed
restrictions.

1633
01:24:50,534 --> 01:24:54,884
However, in a later portion, in one
of these 154 pages,

1634
01:24:55,184 --> 01:24:56,984
there's a statement that says,

1635
01:24:57,404 --> 01:24:59,434
um, and let's read it,

1636
01:24:59,514 --> 01:25:03,414
"It is important to check a
property's deed restrictions for
fences."

1637
01:25:03,814 --> 01:25:05,734
Well, if you're checking them for
fences,

1638
01:25:05,814 --> 01:25:07,814
why not check them for neighborhood
housing.

1639
01:25:08,104 --> 01:25:11,354
And I happen to know that there's one
section, a small city.

1640
01:25:11,654 --> 01:25:15,834
Uh, doesn't have zoning power. Then I
represent city of Richland

1641
01:25:16,184 --> 01:25:20,834
is on that on that map as being a a
prime place.

1642
01:25:21,044 --> 01:25:24,074
Well, let me tell you, the city of
Richland

1643
01:25:24,154 --> 01:25:26,374
has deed restrictions that would
prevent this.

1644
01:25:26,454 --> 01:25:29,104
I'm sorry to say, I didn't I didn't
write those deed restrictions.

1645
01:25:29,184 --> 01:25:30,614
They were in the 1940s.

1646
01:25:30,884 --> 01:25:32,314
But those deed restrictions

1647
01:25:32,394 --> 01:25:33,844
would prevent duplexes or triplexes

1648
01:25:33,924 --> 01:25:37,344
on the individual lots in the city of
Richland.

1649
01:25:37,594 --> 01:25:40,534
And I think there're probably some
other places in there too.

1650
01:25:40,614 --> 01:25:43,774
So I think you should require that
there be

1651
01:25:43,854 --> 01:25:45,734
uh research done by the applicant

1652
01:25:45,814 --> 01:25:48,764
to find out whether there's a deed
restriction

1653
01:25:48,844 --> 01:25:50,874
so that you don't just end up
somebody starting to dig

1654
01:25:50,954 --> 01:25:53,284
and then all of a sudden the
neighborhood

1655
01:25:53,364 --> 01:25:54,964
has to file a lawsuit in circuit
court.

1656
01:25:58,064 --> 01:26:02,194
Getting to the section on mixed use
and housing.

1657
01:26:02,914 --> 01:26:05,194
I think this should be removed

1658
01:26:05,274 --> 01:26:09,284
or at least considered separately at
a later time.

1659
01:26:09,364 --> 01:26:13,784
This was not part this idea of having
in the traditional

1660
01:26:13,864 --> 01:26:15,564
neighborhood

1661
01:26:15,674 --> 01:26:17,554
a commercial use on the first floor

1662
01:26:17,634 --> 01:26:19,714
your your four minutes you're out

1663
01:26:19,794 --> 01:26:21,224
of any building

1664
01:26:22,264 --> 01:26:23,654
at any corner

1665
01:26:24,094 --> 01:26:28,514
was not in the original, not in any
of these summaries,

1666
01:26:28,594 --> 01:26:30,894
not in any of the uh stuff that's put
out.

1667
01:26:30,974 --> 01:26:34,094
That has just kind of become a hidden
addition to this.

1668
01:26:34,174 --> 01:26:38,224
So I hope you'll read what I've put
out and let's divide this up,

1669
01:26:38,304 --> 01:26:40,514
the devil's in the details.

1670
01:26:40,814 --> 01:26:44,814
The essence is good, the details are
not perfect. Thank you.

1671
01:26:44,894 --> 01:26:46,914
Thank you. Does anyone have a
questions to Steve?

1672
01:26:46,994 --> 01:26:48,327
No.

1673
01:26:49,174 --> 01:26:50,654
Thank you very much.

1674
01:26:52,314 --> 01:26:56,444
Okay, is there anyone um online?

1675
01:27:02,814 --> 01:27:04,147
I'm sorry.

1676
01:27:15,334 --> 01:27:17,054
Barbara, would you raise your right
hand?

1677
01:27:17,134 --> 01:27:20,404
Do you solemn and swear that the
testimony you're about to give

1678
01:27:20,484 --> 01:27:21,324
is the truth?

1679
01:27:21,404 --> 01:27:22,244
Yes, I do.

1680
01:27:22,324 --> 01:27:25,704
All right, your full name and your
zip code.

1681
01:27:25,784 --> 01:27:29,574
Barbara Kelly, 4009 Men Spring Branch
Road.

1682
01:27:29,694 --> 01:27:33,744
I submitted um a number of comments
and a lot of them

1683
01:27:33,824 --> 01:27:35,354
have already been addressed.

1684
01:27:36,034 --> 01:27:39,894
Um, there's just a couple of things I
want to point out.

1685
01:27:40,094 --> 01:27:43,124
Um, you know, we're not looking at

1686
01:27:43,204 --> 01:27:49,014
um greater incentives for
opportunities that we already have

1687
01:27:49,094 --> 01:27:54,344
such as the regarding the high
vacancy rate downtown for office

1688
01:27:54,424 --> 01:27:55,257
buildings.

1689
01:27:55,337 --> 01:27:59,177
I think that should be further
incentivized to bring more housing

1690
01:27:59,257 --> 01:28:00,577
there.

1691
01:28:00,657 --> 01:28:05,977
And um other factors to consider is
the baby boom generation

1692
01:28:06,057 --> 01:28:08,397
is now starting to move out of their
large

1693
01:28:08,477 --> 01:28:09,310
homes.

1694
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:16,100
and to as Steve said, condos and
assisted living or beyond.

1695
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:20,220
So and there's going to be great deal
of wealth transfer from that

1696
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:21,633
generation.

1697
01:28:21,820 --> 01:28:24,650
um, that's going to open up more
opportunities.

1698
01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:29,320
And I just saw, I don't know if this
in the Courier Journal today

1699
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:30,780
online, but that

1700
01:28:30,860 --> 01:28:34,910
um, housing stocks have improved. So
that's very encouraging.

1701
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,100
And also birth rates have dropped.

1702
01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:42,790
So that demand is going to come down
that'll be coming down and

1703
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:45,190
immigration is slowed dramatically,

1704
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:46,980
which reduces the need for more
housing.

1705
01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:50,180
and we've lost a lot of immigrants
from the country.

1706
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:56,160
Um, some of the problems with urban
design concepts current

1707
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,230
countywide bother me.

1708
01:28:58,740 --> 01:29:04,220
Um, right now, we, you know, we've
developed as an urban core out to

1709
01:29:04,300 --> 01:29:09,080
the suburban areas and then the
ex-urban more rural character areas

1710
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:15,620
and the the concern is that these
more uh rural character areas are

1711
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:19,060
going to be eaten up with this urban
design.

1712
01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:22,780
And I think that's a big loss for the
county.

1713
01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:27,870
and the the lot size reduction does
seems extreme to me.

1714
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:33,250
Um, there's no density limit as I
understand it for large uh

1715
01:29:33,330 --> 01:29:35,890
subdivisions with neighborhood
housing,

1716
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:39,820
which I don't quite understand when I
think of a uh a

1717
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:45,780
development like uh Norton Commons,
which has neighborhood uh

1718
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:48,810
housing components in it, there is a
a density threshold.

1719
01:29:49,130 --> 01:29:54,380
and and I just wonder how you how
this works out in terms of

1720
01:29:54,460 --> 01:29:55,860
infrastructure.

1721
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,920
If you have no density limit.

1722
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,050
Um, let's see.

1723
01:30:03,610 --> 01:30:08,390
Uh, I've talked about the uh three
distinct types of

1724
01:30:08,660 --> 01:30:10,830
the city and I I just think

1725
01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:13,600
leap frogging into these ex-urban
areas

1726
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,710
is going to erase a lot of the scenic
quality of our city.

1727
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:19,000
And we have a very beautiful city.

1728
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,750
I just think people should have
maintain a choice.

1729
01:30:23,450 --> 01:30:29,910
I am concerned about the uh not
having the transition areas.

1730
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,230
Um, I think transition areas

1731
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:34,620
are developed to protect
neighborhoods

1732
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:40,020
and they contribute to the quality of
life element of desirable cities.

1733
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:43,230
And I think aesthetics of formed
district transitions

1734
01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:47,150
are vital to a well-designed city.

1735
01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:51,530
And now we've this process has gone
on for years.

1736
01:30:51,610 --> 01:30:52,630
Joel told us about that.

1737
01:30:52,710 --> 01:30:55,210
We've, you know, some of us have been
going to meetings for a long time.

1738
01:30:55,290 --> 01:30:59,180
But when I looked at it in the myths
online, it said that

1739
01:30:59,260 --> 01:31:04,890
800 people had been were part of this
outreach.

1740
01:31:04,970 --> 01:31:07,830
And when I think about it and look at
the the population

1741
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:10,100
of the city,

1742
01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:14,830
um, that 800 people represents 1/10
of a percent.

1743
01:31:14,910 --> 01:31:20,610
So 99.9% of the population is not
aware of this.

1744
01:31:20,690 --> 01:31:23,760
So I think we need to slow down a
little bit.

1745
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,640
Do it in faces. Thank you.

1746
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,060
Any other questions?

1747
01:31:29,370 --> 01:31:30,990
Thank you very much.

1748
01:31:31,140 --> 01:31:32,810
Uh, Donald Taylor,

1749
01:31:46,110 --> 01:31:49,430
Raise your right hand. Donald Taylor,
40291.

1750
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:51,530
Do you solemnly swear that the
testimony you're about to give

1751
01:31:51,610 --> 01:31:53,300
is the truth?

1752
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:55,790
Yes, I do. Proceed.

1753
01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:58,450
Uh, I'm a developer.

1754
01:31:58,750 --> 01:32:02,430
Uh, we do a lot of construction, we
do a lot of renovations

1755
01:32:02,510 --> 01:32:04,070
and we do develop as well.

1756
01:32:04,150 --> 01:32:08,500
Um, I spoke with Joe a couple weeks
ago

1757
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:12,430
about some middle housing that we
were planning to do,

1758
01:32:12,510 --> 01:32:16,330
uh, right on Chestnut, right off 18th
and Chestnut.

1759
01:32:16,490 --> 01:32:20,630
Uh, there's properties down there
that have the size,

1760
01:32:20,710 --> 01:32:24,630
that have the aesthetics that that
are definitely prepared,

1761
01:32:24,710 --> 01:32:29,890
uh, as far as square footage to be
developed into multi-units.

1762
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,530
Uh, the property I'm speaking of in
particular

1763
01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:34,950
is a duplex right now.

1764
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:37,830
Uh, but it has the size to be a
fourplex

1765
01:32:37,910 --> 01:32:43,130
and there's other fourplexes in the
area and on the same block,

1766
01:32:43,210 --> 01:32:47,110
on the same street, uh, but the

1767
01:32:47,370 --> 01:32:52,200
I guess lot size, the density there
would exceed the current plan.

1768
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:53,710
Uh, um,

1769
01:32:54,110 --> 01:32:55,710
and

1770
01:32:56,910 --> 01:32:59,330
We're talking about preserving an
existing structure,

1771
01:32:59,410 --> 01:33:00,530
a vacant property.

1772
01:33:00,610 --> 01:33:03,330
We're talking about bringing it up to
a modern aesthetic,

1773
01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:05,830
we're talking about keeping the
aesthetic of the area

1774
01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:08,150
and of Louisville.

1775
01:33:08,230 --> 01:33:12,430
And also meeting something that has
been publicly discussed

1776
01:33:12,510 --> 01:33:16,470
as a critical problem for Louisville,
which is lack of housing.

1777
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:20,160
And and and affordable housing at
that.

1778
01:33:20,510 --> 01:33:22,190
Uh, so

1779
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:24,830
with this rehabilitation, you know,
there's no displacement,

1780
01:33:24,910 --> 01:33:27,230
like I said, it's it's an existing
structure,

1781
01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:29,830
it's a structure that's been sitting
for a while, vacated,

1782
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:34,090
uh, dilapidated, and we're talking
about bringing it back.

1783
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:37,330
And and when I hear these
testimonies, I know hear a lot

1784
01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:40,230
of people speaking of the gray areas,
the white areas,

1785
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:43,740
this this isn't any of those areas.

1786
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:46,730
This is a dense populated area that
has great walkability,

1787
01:33:46,810 --> 01:33:51,850
proven infrastructure. It has
everything need,

1788
01:33:51,930 --> 01:33:56,900
great proximity to shops, hospitals,
everything.

1789
01:33:56,980 --> 01:34:00,130
And it's a property that is sitting
and just letting to

1790
01:34:00,210 --> 01:34:03,440
uh dilapidated.

1791
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,830
Uh, and I kept thinking on my way
down here,

1792
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:11,780
is it ever a bad time to make the
right decision, right?

1793
01:34:11,860 --> 01:34:15,070
This this is the right decision.

1794
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:22,130
And we're letting uh, I don't even
know what to call it, but but but

1795
01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:24,720
this is the right time to make these
type of decisions.

1796
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,830
For us to allow these type of
opportunities, for us to keep

1797
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:32,670
loving Louisville, to keep providing
for Louisville.

1798
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:35,230
I quit my job, I'm an engineer by
trade.

1799
01:34:35,310 --> 01:34:36,580
That's what I did for years.

1800
01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:39,730
I quit doing COVID, uh, and I came
back

1801
01:34:39,810 --> 01:34:42,220
to make a difference in the
neighborhood.

1802
01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:45,630
And I do, I serve at Ace mentorships,
I've been on the board

1803
01:34:45,710 --> 01:34:48,880
with the academies of Louisville.

1804
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:52,030
I do all of these things because I
love Louisville

1805
01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:54,730
and I try to make housing more
affordable

1806
01:34:54,810 --> 01:34:57,320
and available to Louisville.

1807
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,330
And and I think that's one of the
ways I would like to get give

1808
01:35:00,410 --> 01:35:02,320
my impact back.

1809
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,320
As well as trying to do things for
our youth.

1810
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,010
But then when you get into these
situations,

1811
01:35:08,139 --> 01:35:12,909
and you just start questioning our
decision making.

1812
01:35:13,069 --> 01:35:15,829
as a whole as a collective.

1813
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:20,229
Uh, it forced me to come down here
and speak to you guys.

1814
01:35:20,309 --> 01:35:22,699
Uh, after a long hot day of working,
right?

1815
01:35:22,779 --> 01:35:24,319
I've been outside working today

1816
01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:27,299
so it's been a long hot day on the
work site,

1817
01:35:27,379 --> 01:35:29,299
but it forced me to come down here

1818
01:35:29,379 --> 01:35:32,329
and I appreciate the invitation Joel

1819
01:35:32,409 --> 01:35:34,379
because he definitely brought it to
my attention about this here

1820
01:35:34,459 --> 01:35:36,369
and I would have never known.

1821
01:35:36,449 --> 01:35:38,819
but it forced me to come down here to
speak

1822
01:35:38,899 --> 01:35:42,869
on behalf of supporting uh middle
housing.

1823
01:35:42,949 --> 01:35:47,989
I did have one question though in the
proposal and maybe I didn't hear it
right.

1824
01:35:48,269 --> 01:35:51,339
Uh, it's that no on-street parking, I
believe,

1825
01:35:51,629 --> 01:35:54,239
or something like that for these
proposed?

1826
01:35:54,319 --> 01:35:57,299
Is that for the rehabilitation?

1827
01:35:57,379 --> 01:36:01,339
Or is that for new construction? I
wasn't aware.

1828
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:04,810
Okay, um, Joel, would you like to
respond to that?

1829
01:36:07,810 --> 01:36:09,990
Yeah, I mean, on-street parking would
be allowed,

1830
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:12,430
just as on-street parking is
currently allowed.

1831
01:36:12,510 --> 01:36:14,160
But as far as parking in front of
buildings,

1832
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,220
parking in front of buildings would
not be allowed.

1833
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:20,950
Um, parking to the rear would be
required.

1834
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:26,060
Um, and as your, um, building a, um,
a fourplex.

1835
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:29,650
Particularly in those hatched areas
or in suburban areas,

1836
01:36:29,730 --> 01:36:32,300
there would be parking requirements
for off-street,

1837
01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:35,070
but not in our traditional
neighborhoods.

1838
01:36:35,150 --> 01:36:36,270
Okay.

1839
01:36:36,350 --> 01:36:37,260
Any other questions?

1840
01:36:37,340 --> 01:36:39,730
Yes, I do have a question from this
gentleman's testimony

1841
01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:43,370
and I don't know if it's for this
gentleman, it may be for Joel.

1842
01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:44,900
Um, it's probably for Joel.

1843
01:36:44,980 --> 01:36:46,940
So I think often about new
construction and vacant land

1844
01:36:47,020 --> 01:36:49,460
because that's where my brain goes.

1845
01:36:49,580 --> 01:36:51,590
But Joel, do you have a feel for the
implementation

1846
01:36:51,670 --> 01:36:56,570
of these regulations, how that, what,

1847
01:36:56,650 --> 01:37:01,130
what, is it going to be a significant
opportunity for

1848
01:37:01,210 --> 01:37:06,160
some larger older structures to be
utilized into

1849
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,300
duplex, triplex, fourplex? What
percent, do you have a feel for that,

1850
01:37:11,310 --> 01:37:15,790
for fellows like this trying to save
a structure and add housing,

1851
01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:20,810
what component do you see or what
kind of bump would we perhaps see?

1852
01:37:20,890 --> 01:37:23,350
Not new construction but existing.

1853
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:27,320
Yeah, so I mean any any well-crafted
regulation is only as good as the
education

1854
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:33,150
we provide afterwards to let folks
know what the regulation is itself.

1855
01:37:33,230 --> 01:37:36,010
Uh, like the accessory dwelling unit
regulations, we ran an

1856
01:37:36,090 --> 01:37:40,010
education campaign, we did
pre-approved development plans.

1857
01:37:40,090 --> 01:37:44,390
So to get this regulation in the
hands of individuals to take
advantage,

1858
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:47,940
we have to go out and tell people
about it.

1859
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:54,800
Um, I did mention earlier that, you
know, for existing structures.

1860
01:37:55,070 --> 01:37:59,180
Um, an existing structure being
renovated into three or four units
still needs to meet

1861
01:37:59,260 --> 01:38:05,520
all of our guidelines, uh, for, uh,
the neighborhood housing.

1862
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,150
I mean, I think one of the things
that, um, you see from time to time

1863
01:38:09,230 --> 01:38:12,360
when a property is converted

1864
01:38:12,610 --> 01:38:18,700
is, um, stairs in the front or stairs
in the front or stairs in unsightly
locations to provide access.

1865
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:21,330
Which would not be allowed in our
regulations.

1866
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,890
Um, we see properties converted for,
uh, boarding houses or group housing,

1867
01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:30,670
which would not be allowed in these
regulations or short-term rentals.

1868
01:38:30,750 --> 01:38:34,370
But we, I'm thinking of a case off
Dixie Highway where somebody
converted a small house

1869
01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:41,220
that maybe had been a fire and a
developer bought it and he made it
into three units in an R4.

1870
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:47,360
So I'm thinking of but, but so as
long as in the right districts
meeting all the code,

1871
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:54,210
there's ample opportunity of housing
stock that could be converted into
multiplexes.

1872
01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:58,240
Yeah, there is room for conversion of
existing structures.

1873
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,740
Um, it is very important for me to
note that they must still meet all
building codes,

1874
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:09,640
ingress, egress, access, they still
must meet all building codes and
obtain a permit.

1875
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,930
And just because you carved up a
house without a permit,

1876
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:17,520
does not automatically make you legal
per these regulations or the building
code.

1877
01:39:17,710 --> 01:39:20,660
But it would, it would in certain
areas allow

1878
01:39:20,740 --> 01:39:25,480
a duplex or triplex that was not
allowable before.

1879
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,290
meeting all the building codes,

1880
01:39:27,370 --> 01:39:30,780
this is an opportunity for some big
old houses in Louisville

1881
01:39:30,860 --> 01:39:36,000
to support more house, more families
in multiplex units.

1882
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:36,920
Absolutely.

1883
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,333
Okay, thank you.

1884
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:42,620
And just kind of a little follow-up.
I don't want to get into the details,

1885
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:45,740
but we had a big old house today that
came before the Commission

1886
01:39:45,820 --> 01:39:48,740
in the core part of the, uh,
community and it wasn't a slam dunk

1887
01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:53,390
in terms of this was a rezoning
application.

1888
01:39:53,470 --> 01:39:59,170
So it's tricky and, uh, and that'll
be a, that'll be a challenge for the
team.

1889
01:39:59,250 --> 01:40:02,050
Uh, I so, anyway, thanks.

1890
01:40:02,180 --> 01:40:04,190
Any other questions for Donald?

1891
01:40:04,450 --> 01:40:05,560
I got a question for Laura.

1892
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,210
Oh, well, wait a minute.

1893
01:40:08,513 --> 01:40:11,783
related to this gentleman that just
spoke. Okay.

1894
01:40:11,863 --> 01:40:13,253
Thank you very much.

1895
01:40:13,333 --> 01:40:15,283
Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate
the opportunity.

1896
01:40:15,363 --> 01:40:19,433
And also, we just finished an ADU,
that was great.

1897
01:40:19,513 --> 01:40:21,513
And they love it.

1898
01:40:21,593 --> 01:40:23,063
I'm sorry, but thank you.

1899
01:40:23,593 --> 01:40:25,303
All right, Russ, you had a question?

1900
01:40:28,103 --> 01:40:32,703
Is that going to curtail things or

1901
01:40:32,783 --> 01:40:37,393
easements or City doesn't have any
part of that, right?

1902
01:40:38,043 --> 01:40:41,553
Right. So it's it's similar to when
um we've had certain

1903
01:40:41,633 --> 01:40:45,233
rezonings or certain development
plans that come through

1904
01:40:45,313 --> 01:40:49,243
and there is a deed restriction out
there.

1905
01:40:49,603 --> 01:40:52,803
So we stay in our lane and the deed
restriction is in their lane,

1906
01:40:52,883 --> 01:40:57,023
so at the end of the day, if they
want to come in and fit within

1907
01:40:57,103 --> 01:41:00,313
turning a single family house into a
duplex,

1908
01:41:00,393 --> 01:41:02,503
but there's a deed restriction

1909
01:41:02,583 --> 01:41:04,013
that says they can't,

1910
01:41:04,153 --> 01:41:07,033
our land development code's not gonna
override the deed restriction.

1911
01:41:07,113 --> 01:41:08,446
Got it.

1912
01:41:10,573 --> 01:41:11,713
Okay.

1913
01:41:11,793 --> 01:41:12,733
Uh

1914
01:41:12,813 --> 01:41:15,553
That was because that was my was
going to be my question.

1915
01:41:15,633 --> 01:41:22,173
The Joe, uh our subdivision is within
a quarter of a mile

1916
01:41:22,253 --> 01:41:24,893
of what they were talking about.

1917
01:41:25,063 --> 01:41:27,923
And our deed restriction specifically
states that

1918
01:41:28,003 --> 01:41:30,403
single family dwelling only.

1919
01:41:30,923 --> 01:41:34,213
So the deed restriction will override
this?

1920
01:41:35,153 --> 01:41:38,003
Or or more accurately, we we don't
override the deed restriction.

1921
01:41:38,083 --> 01:41:39,083
Huh?

1922
01:41:39,163 --> 01:41:41,853
Well, the the the approval at land
development here

1923
01:41:41,933 --> 01:41:44,103
would not override the deed
restriction.

1924
01:41:44,183 --> 01:41:46,283
So the deed restriction would stand
and carry.

1925
01:41:46,363 --> 01:41:47,196
Yeah.

1926
01:41:47,276 --> 01:41:48,916
Okay, all right, that's that's what I
was

1927
01:41:48,996 --> 01:41:50,026
We just don't enforce it.

1928
01:41:50,106 --> 01:41:51,576
You know, at the end of the day,

1929
01:41:51,656 --> 01:41:54,466
it's not our job to enforce the deed
restriction.

1930
01:41:54,546 --> 01:41:57,226
We can go ahead and do the approval
and that's I think why

1931
01:41:57,306 --> 01:41:59,386
one of the suggestions was, and I
think we had this on

1932
01:41:59,466 --> 01:42:01,586
something else and I can't remember
what,

1933
01:42:01,666 --> 01:42:04,726
where we said, maybe it was on the
accessory dwelling units?

1934
01:42:04,806 --> 01:42:06,996
Yeah, that's correct, on the
accessory dwelling units,

1935
01:42:07,076 --> 01:42:08,926
there is just a notation.

1936
01:42:09,006 --> 01:42:09,839
Right.

1937
01:42:09,919 --> 01:42:15,979
There's not a regulation, there is a
notation that be aware. Essentially

1938
01:42:16,059 --> 01:42:17,679
is what the regulation reads.

1939
01:42:17,759 --> 01:42:20,409
And um just to just to say that these
regulations don't

1940
01:42:20,489 --> 01:42:22,959
as Laura said, override that deed
restriction,

1941
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:26,079
um but we don't enforce that deed
restriction

1942
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:28,969
uh because we're not a party to it.

1943
01:42:29,089 --> 01:42:30,422
So,

1944
01:42:33,099 --> 01:42:35,109
I guess this is my stupidity.

1945
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:38,239
But if you all okay one of these and
it comes into

1946
01:42:38,319 --> 01:42:41,839
our subdivision and they're trying to
do it, is it's

1947
01:42:41,919 --> 01:42:45,269
up to the HOA to enforce the deed
restriction?

1948
01:42:45,349 --> 01:42:48,519
Yes, because Metro is not a party to
the deed restriction.

1949
01:42:48,879 --> 01:42:52,859
So then we have to take those people
to court.

1950
01:42:52,939 --> 01:42:57,689
Don't you think that's putting a
large monetary issue on the HOA's?

1951
01:42:57,769 --> 01:42:59,919
I mean, you're doing that when you
create the HOA and the

1952
01:42:59,999 --> 01:43:01,869
deed restrictions by yourself.

1953
01:43:01,949 --> 01:43:03,899
Now, we didn't create them, the they
were required when

1954
01:43:03,979 --> 01:43:08,229
the subdivisions were built back in
the 70s.

1955
01:43:09,229 --> 01:43:12,059
Uh, that that was part of the deed
restriction that was filed

1956
01:43:12,139 --> 01:43:15,999
with the county before City County
merger.

1957
01:43:16,079 --> 01:43:19,309
because a lot of your deed
restrictions and HOA's are in the

1958
01:43:19,389 --> 01:43:22,349
suburban area, not the urban area.

1959
01:43:22,429 --> 01:43:25,419
So what you're trying to do is you're
trying to

1960
01:43:25,719 --> 01:43:28,029
and don't get me wrong, I'm not
trying to argue, but

1961
01:43:28,109 --> 01:43:30,869
you're trying to you you're taking
urban and suburban and

1962
01:43:30,949 --> 01:43:35,529
trying to make a rule that is mostly
for urban, but it's

1963
01:43:35,609 --> 01:43:38,199
transgression out into suburban that

1964
01:43:39,469 --> 01:43:41,969
every subdivision, HOA, or whatever
out there.

1965
01:43:42,049 --> 01:43:44,469
Glendale Mary's one of them.

1966
01:43:44,649 --> 01:43:46,949
Uh, Lake Forest, Apple Valley.

1967
01:43:47,029 --> 01:43:49,549
All of these have these deed
restrictions.

1968
01:43:49,869 --> 01:43:52,566
that they're going your office or our
office or whatever it

1969
01:43:52,646 --> 01:43:55,479
is is going to okay this.

1970
01:43:55,779 --> 01:43:58,259
Somebody converting a two-story into
a duplex in a

1971
01:43:58,339 --> 01:44:01,679
single family dwelling subdivision.

1972
01:44:01,759 --> 01:44:05,566
And then it's up to the HOA, who
doesn't charge the amount of

1973
01:44:05,646 --> 01:44:11,379
fees they need to hire a lawyer and
go to court over to stop it.

1974
01:44:11,459 --> 01:44:14,919
So that that's where I've got an
issue with it.

1975
01:44:15,529 --> 01:44:18,539
And I think part of it in the ADU and
and I guess similar language

1976
01:44:18,619 --> 01:44:21,289
could be put in here if it isn't
already,

1977
01:44:21,369 --> 01:44:25,419
is is that's why the notation was
there warning the person to tread

1978
01:44:25,499 --> 01:44:28,689
carefully because they could end up
on the other side of this lawsuit

1979
01:44:28,769 --> 01:44:31,529
and have to defend it.

1980
01:44:32,156 --> 01:44:32,989
And then,

1981
01:44:33,069 --> 01:44:35,679
yeah, I think there needs to be some
language there if it it

1982
01:44:35,759 --> 01:44:38,579
if the HOA or or the the

1983
01:44:38,659 --> 01:44:41,969
house falls into a perimeter of an
HOA that has that rule,

1984
01:44:42,049 --> 01:44:45,249
then it shouldn't be allowed.

1985
01:44:45,329 --> 01:44:47,709
We won't be able to do that because
we're not we we're not

1986
01:44:47,789 --> 01:44:49,769
in the business of enforcing private
agreements.

1987
01:44:49,849 --> 01:44:53,749
Whoever gives the permit out for it,
it needs to so a red flag.

1988
01:44:54,869 --> 01:44:56,239
Okay, let's um

1989
01:44:56,319 --> 01:44:57,769
I I have one other question if I
could.

1990
01:44:57,849 --> 01:45:00,089
Okay. Joel, is there going to be some
kind of device added to

1991
01:45:00,169 --> 01:45:01,869
the logic mapping so

1992
01:45:01,949 --> 01:45:05,119
people can so somebody interested in
this housing can map

1993
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:08,879
effectively and

1994
01:45:09,064 --> 01:45:10,334
know what land is

1995
01:45:10,414 --> 01:45:12,664
or they just going to have to take

1996
01:45:12,744 --> 01:45:14,124
the measuring tool and

1997
01:45:14,224 --> 01:45:17,464
So, uh, the the the static map that
we showed you on the screen

1998
01:45:17,544 --> 01:45:21,594
screen today is an online map that's
available on our website.

1999
01:45:21,714 --> 01:45:25,114
So you can go online right now and
zoom in and out of property

2000
01:45:25,194 --> 01:45:27,214
to see if you are in an ineligible
area.

2001
01:45:28,904 --> 01:45:32,654
And we can incorporate that into our
logic mapping system as well.

2002
01:45:32,734 --> 01:45:35,694
We'll need to work with them on that,
but right now there is a tool.

2003
01:45:35,924 --> 01:45:39,074
So I could I'm looking at the map and
it's not zooming in very well

2004
01:45:39,154 --> 01:45:41,054
for me, but it might be my Wi-Fi.

2005
01:45:41,134 --> 01:45:45,134
So you've got a static map that
somebody looking like the fella who

2006
01:45:45,214 --> 01:45:47,144
just spoke could

2007
01:45:47,294 --> 01:45:50,314
Yeah, Brian can probably walk through
you walk walk it.

2008
01:45:50,394 --> 01:45:52,944
All right, so she's looking at the
PDF. Uh, there there's an

2009
01:45:53,024 --> 01:45:55,454
interactive map. Now it's okay. No,
it's okay.

2010
01:45:55,534 --> 01:45:58,904
Okay, thank you. Yeah, there's an
ArcGIS online map,

2011
01:45:58,984 --> 01:46:03,294
similar to logic, on our website that
you can you can click on

2012
01:46:03,374 --> 01:46:08,134
and you can scroll through, you can
zoom in and out just like logic.

2013
01:46:09,034 --> 01:46:11,194
It's it is not logic.

2014
01:46:11,594 --> 01:46:13,244
But it might be on logic.

2015
01:46:13,624 --> 01:46:16,414
Potentially what we could do if this
were to be adopted, uh,

2016
01:46:16,494 --> 01:46:20,724
similar to the tool that we have for
uh, short-term rentals and

2017
01:46:20,804 --> 01:46:24,274
you know, other types of mapping, we
could create a map that has

2018
01:46:24,354 --> 01:46:28,584
these layers that uh, you know, you
again, inner address it goes to it

2019
01:46:28,664 --> 01:46:31,584
and it'll show whether, you know,
what area you're in and whether

2020
01:46:31,664 --> 01:46:32,997
you're eligible or not.

2021
01:46:34,214 --> 01:46:37,264
Yeah. And and that that's the thing
what the it already exist.

2022
01:46:37,344 --> 01:46:38,314
It's on our website.

2023
01:46:38,394 --> 01:46:42,594
It it it already exists as like a as
an as an exhibit to the draft

2024
01:46:42,674 --> 01:46:46,484
regulation. And again if if this were
to get adopted, then we could

2025
01:46:46,564 --> 01:46:50,004
make that a formal tool, part of the
logic and all that stuff.

2026
01:46:51,154 --> 01:46:53,144
Any other questions for Joel?

2027
01:46:54,044 --> 01:46:57,394
All right. Uh, thank you, Joel.

2028
01:47:00,404 --> 01:47:02,224
Is there anybody online?

2029
01:47:03,564 --> 01:47:07,094
Okay. Is there anybody else here that
wants to speak?

2030
01:47:07,684 --> 01:47:09,274
Have you signed up?

2031
01:47:12,574 --> 01:47:13,907
Come forward.

2032
01:47:21,044 --> 01:47:24,764
Now we're going to let this lady
speak, but if there's anybody else

2033
01:47:24,844 --> 01:47:30,134
after this, raise your hand now.

2034
01:47:31,734 --> 01:47:35,274
So I'm Mary Cannopel from 40059.

2035
01:47:35,354 --> 01:47:37,164
And Raise your right hand.

2036
01:47:37,244 --> 01:47:41,914
Do you solemnly swear the testimony
you're about to give as the truth?

2037
01:47:41,994 --> 01:47:44,344
Yes. Okay. You have four minutes.

2038
01:47:44,424 --> 01:47:47,684
Thanks. I first of all want to
applaud all of you for the very

2039
01:47:47,764 --> 01:47:52,404
dedicated and interested uh, presence
you are showing and

2040
01:47:52,484 --> 01:47:54,264
revealing to us and it matters a lot.

2041
01:47:54,344 --> 01:47:57,834
All your questions have been so good,
and I've really paid

2042
01:47:57,914 --> 01:47:59,194
attention to that.

2043
01:47:59,274 --> 01:48:03,904
I want to applaud Joel and trying to
take on a project like this,

2044
01:48:03,984 --> 01:48:05,914
which is enormous and life-changing,

2045
01:48:05,994 --> 01:48:10,764
and the cutiest couples in the world
down here are testament to how

2046
01:48:10,844 --> 01:48:16,184
plastic and capable we are as a city
to take on our challenges.

2047
01:48:16,474 --> 01:48:21,124
The this is a great idea. It's a very
appealing Apple and it seems

2048
01:48:21,204 --> 01:48:22,134
easy and reach.

2049
01:48:22,214 --> 01:48:26,904
There's one deal breaker and that is
to to me that the public has

2050
01:48:26,984 --> 01:48:30,474
no opportunity, and I think you
brought this up sir, Mr. Lanart,

2051
01:48:30,554 --> 01:48:34,241
um, at the very beginning that they
have no opportunity to speak up

2052
01:48:34,321 --> 01:48:35,154
against it.

2053
01:48:35,234 --> 01:48:40,384
We live out in rural section of the
East end, and one gentleman

2054
01:48:40,464 --> 01:48:44,104
on our next next to us, um, was going
to sell his property and he

2055
01:48:44,184 --> 01:48:47,754
would have a right to do that and
develop it, and it might be a good

2056
01:48:47,834 --> 01:48:51,714
development. And it would forever
change the nature of our one little

2057
01:48:51,794 --> 01:48:55,734
one-lane road and everybody that
lives on it and have lived there

2058
01:48:55,814 --> 01:49:00,054
for over 100 years in some cases. I
mean, not individuals, but

2059
01:49:00,134 --> 01:49:01,467
you know, families.

2060
01:49:01,574 --> 01:49:05,194
So, um, I just want to say, I think
it's moving a little too fast.

2061
01:49:05,274 --> 01:49:10,104
You're 90% there, and I think if we
met if Joel met with Steve Porter

2062
01:49:10,184 --> 01:49:12,994
and worked out these details, you'd
be there.

2063
01:49:13,074 --> 01:49:17,194
I I applaud your very careful
consideration of all of these

2064
01:49:17,274 --> 01:49:21,394
complex things and the vigor with
which we're all as a community

2065
01:49:21,474 --> 01:49:25,144
trying to take on this interesting
task. Thank you.

2066
01:49:25,244 --> 01:49:26,577
Thank you.

2067
01:49:27,314 --> 01:49:30,994
Questions? Any questions for this
speaker?

2068
01:49:31,654 --> 01:49:33,644
I don't believe there is. Thank you.

2069
01:49:34,824 --> 01:49:41,474
Okay, well, with no one else to uh,
testify, let's move into the

2070
01:49:41,554 --> 01:49:43,354
business session here.

2071
01:49:44,054 --> 01:49:48,694
And um, any remarks here?

2072
01:49:49,904 --> 01:49:54,434
Well, I I I surely the goodness we're
not going to be voting on

2073
01:49:54,514 --> 01:49:58,134
this tonight, and it's not that it's
not important and it's not

2074
01:49:58,214 --> 01:50:03,154
urgent, but uh, there's a lot to take
in and I I don't as one

2075
01:50:03,234 --> 01:50:08,842
commissioner, I'm just not ready to
you know, to make a a vote on it.

2076
01:50:08,922 --> 01:50:13,752
do think that everybody brought
really good comments and uh

2077
01:50:13,832 --> 01:50:17,702
and I do think that, you know, maybe
chunking this out into

2078
01:50:17,782 --> 01:50:22,152
more parts that, you know, could be,
you know, done separately and

2079
01:50:22,232 --> 01:50:25,482
and terms of separate votes at
separate times.

2080
01:50:25,562 --> 01:50:28,452
may be a better way of of going.

2081
01:50:28,532 --> 01:50:33,062
I certainly the neighborhood housing
uh part of it is

2082
01:50:33,142 --> 01:50:35,382
the most important and that

2083
01:50:35,462 --> 01:50:38,212
and opens up things.

2084
01:50:38,292 --> 01:50:39,642
I think a separate vote obviously

2085
01:50:39,722 --> 01:50:41,552
you know, the mixed use thing is

2086
01:50:41,632 --> 01:50:43,492
is something that could occur later.

2087
01:50:43,572 --> 01:50:47,522
But I I think we're heading in the
right in the right direction.

2088
01:50:47,602 --> 01:50:50,892
And uh and uh but I I'm

2089
01:50:50,972 --> 01:50:52,792
I need to study it some more just

2090
01:50:52,872 --> 01:50:55,252
like probably maybe other people
here.

2091
01:50:56,939 --> 01:50:57,772
Brian,

2092
01:50:57,852 --> 01:50:59,862
Yeah, if I can just respond to the

2093
01:50:59,942 --> 01:51:01,512
the you know, we've had a couple

2094
01:51:01,592 --> 01:51:02,612
people that have

2095
01:51:02,692 --> 01:51:03,582
uh talked about, you know,

2096
01:51:03,662 --> 01:51:05,162
breaking it up into chunks or

2097
01:51:05,242 --> 01:51:06,242
pieces and and voting on it.

2098
01:51:06,322 --> 01:51:08,672
It was all put together as a package

2099
01:51:08,752 --> 01:51:10,722
uh at the request of a lot of

2100
01:51:10,802 --> 01:51:12,492
the feedback that we got from

2101
01:51:12,572 --> 01:51:13,692
some of the um

2102
01:51:13,772 --> 01:51:15,722
uh suburban cities, uh both uh

2103
01:51:15,802 --> 01:51:16,792
you know, the home rule cities

2104
01:51:16,872 --> 01:51:17,762
with zoning authority

2105
01:51:17,842 --> 01:51:20,342
and those without, uh as well as um,

2106
01:51:20,422 --> 01:51:22,152
you know, some of our uh suburban

2107
01:51:22,232 --> 01:51:23,242
local officials.

2108
01:51:23,322 --> 01:51:27,012
because they felt that the original
draft of the neighborhood housing
plan

2109
01:51:27,092 --> 01:51:28,672
was too focused on the suburban

2110
01:51:28,752 --> 01:51:30,432
areas. What were we going to do

2111
01:51:30,512 --> 01:51:31,345
to try

2112
01:51:31,425 --> 01:51:33,205
uh and balance out and provide

2113
01:51:33,285 --> 01:51:34,445
additional development

2114
01:51:34,525 --> 01:51:35,925
opportunities within

2115
01:51:36,005 --> 01:51:38,075
uh, you know, other other areas.

2116
01:51:38,155 --> 01:51:39,855
And so that was why we we

2117
01:51:39,935 --> 01:51:41,515
combined the uh Urban Center

2118
01:51:41,595 --> 01:51:42,625
neighborhood form district

2119
01:51:42,705 --> 01:51:44,205
as well as the corridor uh

2120
01:51:44,285 --> 01:51:45,815
information with the neighborhood

2121
01:51:45,895 --> 01:51:46,728
housing package

2122
01:51:46,808 --> 01:51:48,858
because because we were asked to to
do so.

2123
01:51:48,938 --> 01:51:51,208
And so I just wanted to get that out
there.

2124
01:51:53,298 --> 01:51:54,798
Steve, did you want to speak?

2125
01:52:00,428 --> 01:52:05,558
One, the lack of opportunity for the
public to speak

2126
01:52:06,618 --> 01:52:11,668
on these changes disqualifies this
law for approval.

2127
01:52:11,748 --> 01:52:13,818
Second, this proposal

2128
01:52:13,898 --> 01:52:16,398
discriminates against the urban

2129
01:52:16,478 --> 01:52:18,438
service district.

2130
01:52:19,478 --> 01:52:22,898
citizens who have the R4 zoning

2131
01:52:22,978 --> 01:52:26,268
and where it doesn't apply to
suburban areas.

2132
01:52:26,348 --> 01:52:33,348
the people in the urban service
district pay the 11.8% property taxes

2133
01:52:33,478 --> 01:52:35,368
as do the suburban areas, but

2134
01:52:35,448 --> 01:52:37,068
they also pay a 31.9% tax to

2135
01:52:37,148 --> 01:52:38,028
live in that area.

2136
01:52:38,108 --> 01:52:40,668
So that some of our most vulnerable

2137
01:52:40,748 --> 01:52:42,278
neighborhoods are paying two

2138
01:52:42,358 --> 01:52:43,938
property taxes

2139
01:52:44,018 --> 01:52:47,838
and now they're going to have this
dropped on them as well.

2140
01:52:47,918 --> 01:52:51,248
This should apply evenly to all
areas.

2141
01:52:51,328 --> 01:52:53,668
Third, this is a

2142
01:52:54,278 --> 01:52:57,648
Well, in the late 60s, early

2143
01:52:57,728 --> 01:53:00,508
70s, the federal government

2144
01:53:00,588 --> 01:53:01,938
outlawed blockbusting.

2145
01:53:02,018 --> 01:53:05,118
This is a legal form of blockbusting.

2146
01:53:05,198 --> 01:53:06,898
Where unscrupulous people will buy

2147
01:53:06,978 --> 01:53:09,578
a home, say they're going to turn a

2148
01:53:09,658 --> 01:53:11,568
multi-family dwelling and then

2149
01:53:11,648 --> 01:53:13,208
have their unscrupulous

2150
01:53:13,288 --> 01:53:14,248
associates tell

2151
01:53:14,328 --> 01:53:15,938
the neighbors sell your house as

2152
01:53:16,018 --> 01:53:17,818
quickly as you can for as much

2153
01:53:17,898 --> 01:53:19,418
as you can get.

2154
01:53:20,418 --> 01:53:22,338
Fourth, real estate brokers and

2155
01:53:22,418 --> 01:53:24,188
real estate associates have a

2156
01:53:24,268 --> 01:53:25,198
legal and

2157
01:53:25,278 --> 01:53:27,378
ethical obligation to inform buyers

2158
01:53:27,458 --> 01:53:29,818
of this law and its possible

2159
01:53:29,898 --> 01:53:31,718
ramifications.

2160
01:53:32,978 --> 01:53:38,378
That may cause some potential buyers
to move

2161
01:53:39,258 --> 01:53:41,948
to the suburban areas.

2162
01:53:43,158 --> 01:53:45,328
The commission has an obligation

2163
01:53:45,408 --> 01:53:46,898
to protect single family

2164
01:53:46,978 --> 01:53:48,868
neighborhoods.

2165
01:53:48,948 --> 01:53:55,448
Housing houses are boring assets that
make people wealthy.

2166
01:53:55,978 --> 01:53:57,508
This commission has an

2167
01:53:57,588 --> 01:53:59,748
obligation to protect the value

2168
01:53:59,828 --> 01:54:01,468
of a person's

2169
01:54:01,548 --> 01:54:04,068
most valuable asset.

2170
01:54:07,588 --> 01:54:13,068
The highly respected real estate
research firm Zillow based in

2171
01:54:13,148 --> 01:54:15,228
Seattle, Washington, reported

2172
01:54:15,308 --> 01:54:17,888
last week that Louisville is a

2173
01:54:17,968 --> 01:54:19,418
top 10 city

2174
01:54:19,498 --> 01:54:21,678
for first time buyers.

2175
01:54:21,758 --> 01:54:27,908
They also reported that 54% of the
current listings in Louisville

2176
01:54:27,988 --> 01:54:30,118
are considered affordable.

2177
01:54:31,528 --> 01:54:33,338
Louisville doesn't have a housing

2178
01:54:33,418 --> 01:54:36,258
crisis, it has a savings crisis.

2179
01:54:36,498 --> 01:54:43,498
because some citizens do are
unwilling to sacrifice and to defer

2180
01:54:43,778 --> 01:54:48,008
gratification to save enough money to
buy a house.

2181
01:54:48,088 --> 01:54:50,188
Those without resources can take

2182
01:54:50,268 --> 01:54:52,698
advantage of and ask for help

2183
01:54:52,778 --> 01:54:54,228
from the many

2184
01:54:54,308 --> 01:54:59,318
wonderful charitable and civic
organizations that will help them

2185
01:54:59,398 --> 01:55:01,388
find shelter and in some cases

2186
01:55:01,468 --> 01:55:03,508
help them make a partial or full

2187
01:55:03,588 --> 01:55:05,868
down payment on a house.

2188
01:55:09,633 --> 01:55:12,643
I would suggest the following
alternative.

2189
01:55:13,383 --> 01:55:17,933
The residential, retail and

2190
01:55:18,013 --> 01:55:20,693
industrial categories are very
active.

2191
01:55:22,213 --> 01:55:25,413
However, the office category

2192
01:55:25,493 --> 01:55:29,033
has little if any activity
whatsoever.

2193
01:55:29,113 --> 01:55:32,883
I would suggest as long as

2194
01:55:32,963 --> 01:55:35,583
the citizens have a right to speak

2195
01:55:35,663 --> 01:55:38,603
before a planning commission
committee,

2196
01:55:38,683 --> 01:55:39,943
the full commission

2197
01:55:40,023 --> 01:55:42,953
and even the Metro Council

2198
01:55:43,033 --> 01:55:45,583
that this proposed law

2199
01:55:45,663 --> 01:55:49,213
apply to OR, OR1, OR2,

2200
01:55:49,293 --> 01:55:51,343
OR3, PD and DT.

2201
01:55:52,423 --> 01:55:54,913
This zoning exists from

2202
01:55:54,993 --> 01:55:56,283
Cosmos Dale to Prospect,

2203
01:55:56,363 --> 01:55:58,053
it takes in the urban

2204
01:55:58,133 --> 01:55:59,813
service district areas

2205
01:55:59,893 --> 01:56:02,523
and it includes suburban areas.

2206
01:56:02,603 --> 01:56:05,523
Most of these types of zoning

2207
01:56:05,603 --> 01:56:07,433
are on major arterials

2208
01:56:07,513 --> 01:56:10,833
that are close to retail services

2209
01:56:11,363 --> 01:56:14,453
and in some cases medical services.

2210
01:56:15,073 --> 01:56:16,933
So this law is written

2211
01:56:17,013 --> 01:56:19,073
should be rejected

2212
01:56:19,953 --> 01:56:22,723
and I would hope the commission

2213
01:56:22,803 --> 01:56:23,813
would come back with the alternative,

2214
01:56:23,893 --> 01:56:27,323
start with a smaller zoning category,

2215
01:56:27,403 --> 01:56:29,863
monitor it, see how it goes.

2216
01:56:30,103 --> 01:56:32,583
allow the public to comment

2217
01:56:32,663 --> 01:56:36,233
if it's successful, then we can look

2218
01:56:36,313 --> 01:56:37,593
at other zoning classifications.

2219
01:56:37,673 --> 01:56:39,223
I do not think this

2220
01:56:39,303 --> 01:56:40,303
type of zoning should be

2221
01:56:40,383 --> 01:56:42,953
in any retail or industrial

2222
01:56:43,033 --> 01:56:44,803
classification, especially
industrial.

2223
01:56:45,383 --> 01:56:46,716
Thank you.

2224
01:56:47,611 --> 01:56:49,391
Residential is not allowed

2225
01:56:49,471 --> 01:56:50,991
in industrial now, so just FYI.

2226
01:56:53,721 --> 01:56:55,531
Any other remarks by

2227
01:56:58,491 --> 01:57:00,591
Commissioners, what we

2228
01:57:00,671 --> 01:57:01,811
can do here, we can

2229
01:57:01,891 --> 01:57:04,401
vote to approve this,

2230
01:57:04,481 --> 01:57:06,541
we can vote to disapprove it,

2231
01:57:06,621 --> 01:57:09,121
or we can make a motion

2232
01:57:09,201 --> 01:57:10,771
to continue this on to

2233
01:57:10,851 --> 01:57:12,221
the business session,

2234
01:57:12,301 --> 01:57:14,061
the next meeting.

2235
01:57:15,431 --> 01:57:17,191
Uh, I, let me finish.

2236
01:57:18,101 --> 01:57:20,141
I, I think there's um,

2237
01:57:20,221 --> 01:57:21,951
I think this is a good step

2238
01:57:22,031 --> 01:57:23,541
in the right direction.

2239
01:57:23,971 --> 01:57:26,861
And I I know the staff has worked

2240
01:57:26,941 --> 01:57:31,561
tirelessly on this and for years.

2241
01:57:31,811 --> 01:57:34,741
Uh, and I think everybody

2242
01:57:34,821 --> 01:57:36,131
agrees that we need it

2243
01:57:36,211 --> 01:57:38,021
in some form, but there

2244
01:57:38,101 --> 01:57:39,434
are some raw edges on it.

2245
01:57:39,671 --> 01:57:41,631
And as Jim spoke earlier,

2246
01:57:41,711 --> 01:57:43,921
I think uh, he needs

2247
01:57:44,001 --> 01:57:47,191
and I think I've reinforced

2248
01:57:47,271 --> 01:57:48,411
that opinion that we all need

2249
01:57:48,491 --> 01:57:50,181
to be able to sleep on it

2250
01:57:50,261 --> 01:57:52,061
a little bit.

2251
01:57:53,171 --> 01:57:55,541
I agree with you, but I still

2252
01:57:55,621 --> 01:57:57,451
there's there has to be something

2253
01:57:57,531 --> 01:57:59,881
that this can't go in and

2254
01:57:59,961 --> 01:58:01,371
disrupt established subdivisions

2255
01:58:01,451 --> 01:58:03,541
that have these deed of restrictions

2256
01:58:03,621 --> 01:58:05,171
and covenants.

2257
01:58:05,591 --> 01:58:07,641
Well, that's one example

2258
01:58:07,721 --> 01:58:08,951
of several things

2259
01:58:09,031 --> 01:58:11,621
that need to be addressed. Yes, I,
yes, yes.

2260
01:58:11,701 --> 01:58:15,691
And I think if there's specific
concerns more than just

2261
01:58:15,771 --> 01:58:18,621
reading, I mean it may be that
everybody just needs to read

2262
01:58:18,701 --> 01:58:20,391
and then at the next meeting they
have some more specific concerns,

2263
01:58:20,471 --> 01:58:22,231
but if there's some specific concerns
now that they'd like

2264
01:58:22,311 --> 01:58:25,831
staff for myself to work on between
now and the next meeting,

2265
01:58:25,911 --> 01:58:28,231
some direction in that.

2266
01:58:28,311 --> 01:58:29,671
Now, I might be wrong,

2267
01:58:29,751 --> 01:58:30,761
but this small step

2268
01:58:30,841 --> 01:58:33,851
could be a huge leap actually.

2269
01:58:34,371 --> 01:58:35,571
Joel, did you want to say something?

2270
01:58:35,651 --> 01:58:38,111
Laura stated what what I

2271
01:58:38,191 --> 01:58:39,591
was going to state if there's

2272
01:58:39,671 --> 01:58:40,911
I've heard a couple things,

2273
01:58:40,991 --> 01:58:41,931
but if there's any

2274
01:58:42,011 --> 01:58:43,341
more specific direction

2275
01:58:43,421 --> 01:58:44,754
that the planning commission

2276
01:58:45,391 --> 01:58:47,171
uh can give staff I hear

2277
01:58:47,251 --> 01:58:48,841
um the conversation about

2278
01:58:48,921 --> 01:58:50,211
deed restriction,

2279
01:58:50,291 --> 01:58:52,631
um, I hear the conversation about

2280
01:58:52,711 --> 01:58:54,831
applying it to all areas,

2281
01:58:54,911 --> 01:58:56,811
um, as well.

2282
01:58:59,051 --> 01:59:00,871
I'm not sure what other direction

2283
01:59:00,951 --> 01:59:02,581
the planning commission

2284
01:59:02,661 --> 01:59:04,131
has for staff specifically.

2285
01:59:04,211 --> 01:59:05,781
I think you're almost

2286
01:59:05,861 --> 01:59:06,701
there, I think those two

2287
01:59:06,781 --> 01:59:09,161
are main ones that we've addressed,

2288
01:59:09,241 --> 01:59:12,071
but I would encourage the
commissioners

2289
01:59:12,151 --> 01:59:14,681
uh to very quickly put

2290
01:59:14,761 --> 01:59:16,091
it in writing and send it to you

2291
01:59:16,171 --> 01:59:18,291
or to Brian or somebody.

2292
01:59:18,651 --> 01:59:20,691
if you have a specific

2293
01:59:20,771 --> 01:59:22,261
interest that you want to addressed.

2294
01:59:22,361 --> 01:59:24,471
several comments related to

2295
01:59:24,991 --> 01:59:26,531
public comment.

2296
01:59:26,621 --> 01:59:28,381
uh increasing the opportunity for

2297
01:59:28,461 --> 01:59:29,641
public participation

2298
01:59:29,721 --> 01:59:30,731
before this is final lies.

2299
01:59:30,811 --> 01:59:32,441
Yeah, notice to the

2300
01:59:32,521 --> 01:59:33,721
notice to the public

2301
01:59:33,801 --> 01:59:36,301
and and maybe a public hearing.

2302
01:59:36,531 --> 01:59:40,361
So similarly to um the changes

2303
01:59:40,441 --> 01:59:42,341
that we're making in chapter five

2304
01:59:42,421 --> 01:59:44,681
uh development plans, there's

2305
01:59:44,761 --> 01:59:46,321
notification of action

2306
01:59:46,401 --> 01:59:47,531
to be taken.

2307
01:59:47,611 --> 01:59:48,631
Is that something that

2308
01:59:48,711 --> 01:59:49,544
the planning commission

2309
01:59:49,624 --> 01:59:50,804
would like to entertain

2310
01:59:50,884 --> 01:59:52,217
with uh neighborhood housing?

2311
01:59:52,324 --> 01:59:53,414
I think that they would

2312
01:59:53,494 --> 01:59:54,604
like to look at it. Yeah.

2313
01:59:54,684 --> 01:59:57,364
I would like to look at it, but then

2314
01:59:57,444 --> 02:00:00,034
I'm thinking about the some of these
are going to be

2315
02:00:00,114 --> 02:00:01,934
very small infill projects.

2316
02:00:02,014 --> 02:00:03,704
and as we talked about a

2317
02:00:03,784 --> 02:00:05,174
an amendment

2318
02:00:05,254 --> 02:00:07,404
to the land development code very
recently about a

2319
02:00:07,484 --> 02:00:08,954
notice pro provision.

2320
02:00:09,727 --> 02:00:11,740
Right, didn't we just discuss a
notice provision

2321
02:00:11,820 --> 02:00:17,570
and it was really adding a a there
were very thoughtful.

2322
02:00:17,650 --> 02:00:20,297
Can you speak to that notice? Because
I think I don't

2323
02:00:20,807 --> 02:00:23,080
That was the thing about look
expanding the tier three.

2324
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:24,540
Yeah. So that that

2325
02:00:24,620 --> 02:00:28,008
that was a discussion about on zoning
changes expanding the

2326
02:00:28,088 --> 02:00:31,050
the number of notices for zoning
changes.

2327
02:00:31,130 --> 02:00:34,108
Um I think here, what Joel's
referring to, what what has

2328
02:00:34,188 --> 02:00:37,108
been uh written into the proposed
changes for chapter

2329
02:00:37,188 --> 02:00:39,860
five for 100% compliant development

2330
02:00:39,940 --> 02:00:43,908
plans is that before staff takes
action to approve a

2331
02:00:43,988 --> 02:00:46,750
100% compliant development plan,

2332
02:00:46,830 --> 02:00:49,808
we are going to send mailed notice
and our electronic

2333
02:00:49,888 --> 02:00:53,208
notice to the adjacent property
owners informing that action

2334
02:00:53,288 --> 02:00:57,750
will be taken in 14 days.

2335
02:00:57,830 --> 02:01:00,908
So that's sort of what Joel is
suggesting with the commission

2336
02:01:00,988 --> 02:01:04,008
be open to that type of notification
as well for

2337
02:01:04,088 --> 02:01:06,147
neighborhood housing building.

2338
02:01:06,389 --> 02:01:07,742
I think that's a good provision.

2339
02:01:07,822 --> 02:01:12,208
And it it puts it out there then if a
neighbor or a little

2340
02:01:12,288 --> 02:01:15,739
community wants to appeal,

2341
02:01:16,009 --> 02:01:19,954
they could appeal it before decision
is made.

2342
02:01:20,034 --> 02:01:22,908
And there is a provision within that
if you it'll be

2343
02:01:22,988 --> 02:01:25,808
in your staff report there, I'm not
sure what page it's on

2344
02:01:25,888 --> 02:01:28,708
because it's so long, but we can use
the similar language that

2345
02:01:28,788 --> 02:01:31,347
it has been recommended for those
100% compliant plans where

2346
02:01:31,427 --> 02:01:34,408
it says that the notice shall be
mailed 14 days prior to

2347
02:01:34,488 --> 02:01:38,808
the action of approval and that the
case manager shall consider

2348
02:01:38,888 --> 02:01:43,508
any comments that have, you know,
that are technical in nature or

2349
02:01:43,588 --> 02:01:46,957
reasonable, for changes to the
proposal.

2350
02:01:47,037 --> 02:01:50,308
So if there if a member of the public
or an adjacent property

2351
02:01:50,388 --> 02:01:54,008
owner provides a reasonable comment
of something that should

2352
02:01:54,088 --> 02:01:55,077
be changed,

2353
02:01:55,157 --> 02:01:58,208
as many folks have said today, we may
not know the specifics of

2354
02:01:58,288 --> 02:02:01,308
a property, if an adjacent property
owner says, actually

2355
02:02:01,388 --> 02:02:04,308
there's a big hole in the corner back
here, we suggest a different

2356
02:02:04,388 --> 02:02:05,257
arrangement,

2357
02:02:05,337 --> 02:02:09,108
then the code asks that that section
of the code asks that

2358
02:02:09,188 --> 02:02:13,844
the case manager make that change as
long as it's reasonable.

2359
02:02:14,279 --> 02:02:17,009
As long as it's a reasonable
accommodation for the applicant.

2360
02:02:18,527 --> 02:02:19,600
Okay, so you had notice.

2361
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:23,308
I think Commissioner Steph's concern
about deed restrictions,

2362
02:02:23,388 --> 02:02:28,408
which apparently we've addressed on
ADUs, it seems like maybe

2363
02:02:28,488 --> 02:02:33,297
we have a carry over to neighborhood
housing.

2364
02:02:33,487 --> 02:02:37,908
The other matter that again is kind
of I've implanted

2365
02:02:37,988 --> 02:02:42,708
in my brain particularly after
today's hearings is are we

2366
02:02:42,788 --> 02:02:46,080
disproportionately burdening

2367
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:52,008
the old city of Louisville limits,
you know, or is it

2368
02:02:52,088 --> 02:02:54,700
creating more opportunities?

2369
02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:58,008
I don't know and I think I need a
little bit more convincing on

2370
02:02:58,088 --> 02:02:59,536
that.

2371
02:02:59,616 --> 02:03:03,008
Joel, is there a way on kind of
relating to the deed

2372
02:03:03,088 --> 02:03:04,849
restrictions?

2373
02:03:04,929 --> 02:03:07,708
Because I run into deed restrictions
on land being

2374
02:03:07,788 --> 02:03:11,308
redeveloped and they are private,
they have nothing to do with

2375
02:03:11,388 --> 02:03:13,999
the zoning or the binding elements.

2376
02:03:14,079 --> 02:03:17,508
But is there a way in perhaps the
application for an applicant

2377
02:03:17,588 --> 02:03:22,008
to kind of ask or just a box for them
to check, like have,

2378
02:03:22,088 --> 02:03:25,489
you know,

2379
02:03:25,569 --> 02:03:28,808
just a reminder without burdening
government, which

2380
02:03:28,888 --> 02:03:32,049
they are they are private.

2381
02:03:32,129 --> 02:03:36,008
Is there a way to add a check mark to
an applicant to say,

2382
02:03:36,088 --> 02:03:39,908
you know, is this property subject to
any private deed

2383
02:03:39,988 --> 02:03:41,419
restriction?

2384
02:03:41,499 --> 02:03:42,729
Maybe something as simple as that.

2385
02:03:42,809 --> 02:03:45,508
It would be as basic as I acknowledge
that there may be

2386
02:03:45,588 --> 02:03:48,079
a deed restriction, but

2387
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:50,749
Did we without putting the burden on
you, but making

2388
02:03:50,829 --> 02:03:53,908
That's making a developer and I'm
sure the that fellow as

2389
02:03:53,988 --> 02:03:57,609
an engineer knows to check all of
that.

2390
02:03:57,689 --> 02:04:00,396
But there might be others who don't.

2391
02:04:00,766 --> 02:04:02,649
Did we uh this is Lard.

2392
02:04:02,729 --> 02:04:06,408
Didn't we put a line or something on
one of the ADUs on the

2393
02:04:06,488 --> 02:04:09,679
application, on the application there
is a statement,

2394
02:04:09,759 --> 02:04:11,169
but there's no checkbox.

2395
02:04:11,249 --> 02:04:13,108
Because we're not, yeah, it was just
provides us that restriction

2396
02:04:13,188 --> 02:04:15,279
but we're not doing anything with it.

2397
02:04:15,359 --> 02:04:20,526
It's just something that's there as a
gentle reminder.

2398
02:04:21,183 --> 02:04:22,543
Seems reasonable.

2399
02:04:23,103 --> 02:04:27,503
Okay, any other questions that Joel
remarks about this?

2400
02:04:27,783 --> 02:04:32,246
And if not, what are we going to do?

2401
02:04:32,326 --> 02:04:36,833
I think we should postpone this to
the business section.

2402
02:04:37,503 --> 02:04:39,416
Well, well, if I may,

2403
02:04:39,496 --> 02:04:42,523
so I I think timing wise

2404
02:04:43,313 --> 02:04:47,608
I'm trying to figure out how long we
would need and then when it

2405
02:04:47,688 --> 02:04:50,876
would work to bring it back to the
commission.

2406
02:04:50,956 --> 02:04:53,793
And so I I I'm sitting there looking
at the calendar.

2407
02:04:53,873 --> 02:04:58,008
I'm going to talk to these two three,
what I mean, time frame,

2408
02:04:58,088 --> 02:05:00,476
what are y'all thinking on getting
changes made?

2409
02:05:00,556 --> 02:05:03,503
If these are the only two changes, we
can do that right now.

2410
02:05:04,078 --> 02:05:07,008
We can or I mean, but I'd also be
comfortable with the next

2411
02:05:07,088 --> 02:05:09,398
one, the 17th.

2412
02:05:10,087 --> 02:05:11,487
you know, we're behind.

2413
02:05:11,567 --> 02:05:14,047
That's a week before publishing

2414
02:05:14,127 --> 02:05:16,877
of the agenda. And we could we could

2415
02:05:16,957 --> 02:05:18,290
Okay.

2416
02:05:19,527 --> 02:05:23,117
I just didn't... it would be the
planning commission meeting in two
weeks.

2417
02:05:23,197 --> 02:05:28,047
The agenda would be published roughly
a week from today with those changes.

2418
02:05:28,127 --> 02:05:30,317
Yeah, I just want to make sure we're
gonna have time to work

2419
02:05:30,397 --> 02:05:33,177
on it because we as you know, we've
been working on a lot lately.

2420
02:05:33,257 --> 02:05:37,317
I just want to make sure we're going
to be able to get it done in the time

2421
02:05:37,397 --> 02:05:41,457
frame that you all were thinking. So
if you are thinking September 17th,

2422
02:05:41,537 --> 02:05:43,957
it sounds like we're comfortable with
that and we can we can get something

2423
02:05:44,037 --> 02:05:47,487
turned around and back out to you all
back published and and uh so that the

2424
02:05:47,567 --> 02:05:51,917
public can see that. I think that
would be better because it's another
one of

2425
02:05:52,137 --> 02:05:55,427
these things we don't need to rush,
you know. I mean, you all have done a
good

2426
02:05:55,507 --> 02:05:59,287
job. I hate to drag it out farther on
you all, but this kind of needs to be

2427
02:05:59,577 --> 02:06:03,487
right, you know. Yeah, we recognize
you've been working on it for years.

2428
02:06:04,047 --> 02:06:07,037
Uh, but at the end here, we feel like
we're at least I do,

2429
02:06:07,117 --> 02:06:10,187
that we're rushing a little bit.

2430
02:06:10,267 --> 02:06:15,147
And several of the testimony people
expressed that too.

2431
02:06:15,227 --> 02:06:17,504
So waiting till the next meeting.

2432
02:06:17,584 --> 02:06:18,417
That's that's understandable.

2433
02:06:18,497 --> 02:06:22,277
It sounds like we have a just a few
changes we need to make

2434
02:06:22,357 --> 02:06:23,997
and we'll bring it back to the
commission.

2435
02:06:24,077 --> 02:06:31,077
If it turns out that during the two
weeks you all identify additional
things, this

2436
02:06:31,207 --> 02:06:34,027
doesn't bind you to taking final
action on the 17th.

2437
02:06:34,107 --> 02:06:37,747
It provides the opportunity, you
know, assuming the changes are made
and there's

2438
02:06:37,827 --> 02:06:41,717
no other questions, but there's still
room for a discussion on the 17th

2439
02:06:42,197 --> 02:06:44,177
and if there's additional changes
that come out of that, you know, so.

2440
02:06:44,257 --> 02:06:49,217
So do I hear a motion to I make a
motion on case number 26 LDC-0001

2441
02:06:49,297 --> 02:06:52,417
that we continue this to business
section.

2442
02:06:52,497 --> 02:06:56,137
Yeah, business session, September
17th.

2443
02:06:56,397 --> 02:06:57,627
Second.

2444
02:06:57,707 --> 02:07:01,337
Roll call properly made motion and
second, roll call.

2445
02:07:01,997 --> 02:07:03,077
Chic? Yes.

2446
02:07:03,157 --> 02:07:04,227
Bond? Yes.

2447
02:07:04,307 --> 02:07:05,537
Lehane? Yes.

2448
02:07:05,617 --> 02:07:06,817
Lener? Yes.

2449
02:07:06,897 --> 02:07:08,230
Mims? Yes.

2450
02:07:09,157 --> 02:07:10,427
Steff? Yes.

2451
02:07:10,507 --> 02:07:11,617
Sidner? Yes.

2452
02:07:11,697 --> 02:07:13,030
Fisher? Yes.

2453
02:07:13,187 --> 02:07:14,987
Make a motion we journed.

2454
02:07:15,227 --> 02:07:16,060
We arejourned.