[0:01] Welcome to the uh September 3rd edition
of the Jericho Select Board meeting. I
[0:05] want to start by welcoming Laura Durham
who is our new town administrator. Um
[0:09] for those of you paying attention, Paula
is still with us. Paula is going back to
[0:12] her old role of assistant town
administrator and we do thank her for
[0:16] her time even though we did that last
meeting. Worth calling out again.
[0:22] In order to make our meetings more
efficient, we are limiting public
[0:24] comment to the beginning of the meeting.
The public to be heard section.
[0:28] Select board meetings are in the public,
not of the public. Please do not use the
[0:31] chat on Zoom for anything other than
technical issues. Please be respectful
[0:35] and please keep public comments to 3
minutes or less. And then one note for
[0:41] um for Donna for the minutes since we
have two Lauras um in the minutes you
[0:47] can just refer to them as Laura D and
Laura C. I think that will work going
[0:52] forward.
With that said, is there any public to
[0:57] be heard?
[1:08] And with that, we'll move on to our
first agenda, which is to appoint
[1:11] Nicholas near Jesse to the mobs farm
committee with a term expiring in 2029.
[1:17] Do you want to just give us a little
chat about what uh you're welcome to
[1:20] come up or you're welcome to talk from
there. Whatever works better for you.
[1:24] » Okay, I'll talk from here I guess. Um so
uh moved to Jericho in 2023 from Milton,
[1:30] originally from Franklin County. Uh just
love Mobs period as a resource. uh walk
[1:36] my dogs there pretty much every day of
the week. Trying to think of how to be
[1:42] of any kind of service to the community
and uh kind of flipping that uh sense of
[1:48] uh you know pull towards mobs and just
thinking that if one way that I could at
[1:53] least contribute to maintaining what it
already is. So that's kind of me. I'm a
[1:58] psychotherapist. I work in South
Burlington as well as home um private
[2:02] practice formerly a lot of agencies and
hospital settings and that kind of thing
[2:06] services. So yeah, happy to answer any
questions but just generally motivated
[2:12] to uh join the committee
[2:19] questions from the board.
>> We can make a motion if we're ready.
[2:23] » Welcome.
>> Thank you. Yeah, thanks for agreeing to
[2:26] serve and uh we'll we'll [clears throat]
see how your vote goes here.
[2:31] » Well, I'd like to make a motion to
appoint Nicholas near Jesse to the Mobs
[2:34] Farm Committee with a term expiring in
2029.
[2:37] » I will second that.
>> All those in favor say I.
[2:39] » I.
>> Welcome. Thank you.
[2:42] » Congratulations.
>> Congratulations.
[2:44] » Congratulations, Pete. You got another
member. [laughter]
[2:48] » Yeah.
>> Thank you. Disrespect to the town.
[2:53] » What are you riding? What's your bike?
>> Uh, it's Roder today.
[2:57] » Okay, nice.
>> Enjoy.
[2:59] » Thank you.
>> Thanks.
[3:01] » Thank you.
>> Uh, next on the agenda is to review and
[3:05] consider approval of the letter to
residents regarding unregistered dogs.
[3:10] I did read it. I'm personally okay with
it since it's coming from me. What do
[3:15] you all think? Did you have any updates
to it?
[3:17] » I think it was fine, but uh, Claudine
also looked at it too, I'm assuming. are
[3:21] legal like did we need to have legal
counsel look at it or no
[3:24] » I don't
>> no I think it's a pretty standard we
[3:26] said same letter we send every time
>> great fabulous
[3:32] » yeah
I make a motion
[3:36] » well thank official
>> okay uh I make motion to approve the
[3:42] letter to residents regarding
unregistered dogs
[3:46] » I second the motion
>> all those in favor say I Hi. And if you
[3:50] have the letter handy, I can sign it.
[4:01] » Uh, next is review and consider approval
of the errors and omissions from the
[4:05] listers. Lori, I think Lori is on.
>> Yeah. Hi, Lori.
[4:13] » Oh, we can't hear you, Lori. There we
go. Did I unmute?
[4:18] » So, this this one is on a um we this
year when we were doing the reappraisal,
[4:23] we went through the state pays a per
parcel payment to the town and they
[4:29] require us to put contiguous parcels
together to combine them. And during the
[4:34] reappraisal, we also reset up a
commercial database. So, this is the
[4:39] dentist office over off of Raceway. And
when it got combined, the one lot that
[4:47] got combined with the other, they never
inactivated that account. So the
[4:51] gentleman got a tax bill for one lot
twice
[4:55] because it was already combined. So he
got two tax bills. One of them he
[4:59] shouldn't have gotten. So that's what
this is for is to wipe that tax bill
[5:03] away because it's already on the other
law.
[5:06] So the first the first tax bill that he
got the correct one that had the right
[5:10] value that included both.
>> Yes, it did. Yes. Okay. From the
[5:14] commercial database and then he also got
a got one for the law land of the land
[5:19] behind the dentist office um which
should have been inactivated.
[5:25] » Okay.
[5:29] » Questions from the board?
>> Nope.
[5:33] Almost
[clears throat] done.
[5:36] » No, it's a short one today. Uh,
>> do we have to state like the location or
[5:42] anything in the motion?
>> Uh, it was I can give you that. It was
[5:47] Raceway 22 Raceway and 26 Raceway.
>> Yeah.
[5:53] Where is it? I make a I make a motion to
approve the error and emissions for uh
[6:00] 22 and 26 Race Ray Road from the
listers.
[6:04] » That works.
>> Close enough.
[6:06] » I will second that.
>> All those in favor say I.
[6:09] » I.
>> Thanks.
[6:13] » Thanks, Lori.
Next is review and consider approval of
[6:18] the letter to Nemer to make Paula Olind
the new
[6:23] » I didn't understand this word the cloud
administrator
[6:27] » what does cloud mean
[6:33] » you work you work in a cloud all day
long
[6:35] » is that is that what they mean
>> but what is what are the
[6:38] » like literally like to log in and
>> giving her access I think giving her
[6:41] access to the numerous database on. I
don't know if Okay.
[6:49] » resource.
>> Okay.
[6:50] » So, it's just it's literally just a
login.
[6:53] » It's the administrative log for the the
attempt.
[6:59] » Should I know what Nimmerich is?
>> Nimrich is the company that we that we
[7:04] contracted with to do all of our
reappraisals.
[7:07] » Yeah. Oh, gotcha. I I I'm fine with
this, but I would also say we should
[7:11] probably go through and do a quick audit
of like is there anyone else who has
[7:14] access to anything town related then
that shouldn't you know what I mean? If
[7:19] so, what I'm bringing here is Linda had
cloud-based program access incorrectly
[7:25] and she looks like she still had that
cloud-based access. So, are there any
[7:29] other things where it's like
>> she had it correctly but then when she
[7:34] » left the job did she still have access?
>> Exactly. like at work when we offboard
[7:38] somebody there's like a whole process
right make sure they're remove you know
[7:41] it has their thing whatever so I wonder
if we need to
[7:45] » have a little do
>> we can confirm with
[7:48] » yeah and and but but
>> other than nimick like other like other
[7:51] like other
>> and also maybe just come up with a
[7:55] little document that says hey so and so
leaves let's make sure they're removed
[8:00] from all these things
[8:03] » anyway I'm I'm fine with
Do we need a motion for that?
[8:08] » Anyone have any other questions?
[8:12] » I make a motion to approve the letter to
NEMRC to make Paul Holstein our new
[8:16] cloud administrator.
>> I will second that.
[8:20] » All those in favor say I.
>> I.
[8:21] » I.
[laughter]
[8:25] » No. No. Select board updates.
>> Update.
[8:30] » Uh let's start with um we'll start we'll
start with you, Chris. We'll start there
[8:34] and we'll work our way this way.
>> Okay. I have a bunch.
[8:37] » A bunch too.
>> Missed a meeting.
[8:40] » Okay. So, Jericho.
>> What's he saying?
[8:46] » Sorry. Go ahead.
>> The one guy without an email.
[8:53] [laughter]
>> We should have a little thread just
[8:57] illegal, but it's not secure. It's not
secure. [laughter]
[9:05] Okay. Jargo Town Library um building
project first. Uh we are preparing bid
[9:13] documents and expect those to go out
late October or early November aiming
[9:18] towards spring construction. Um
I've reviewed as part of that process
[9:25] civil engineering plans, structural
plans, and architectural plans.
[9:30] There are minor revisions to me on all
of those. Um,
[9:37] and there's a bid narrative package or
bid package narrative component which
[9:42] I've reviewed and there are revisions
coming with that. I've spoken to the
[9:47] local roofing contractor Jericho roofing
who is just to confirm that they are in
[9:53] fact still on board to donate the
roofing and they are standing seam metal
[9:58] roof. They will provide all new roof
sheathing um vented ridge cap.
[10:05] » They're going to reshath it too.
>> Wow.
[10:08] » So um there's three local guys who own
the business or own the business. Um,
[10:15] » yep.
>> Anyway, I don't have their names in
[10:17] front of me, but
>> I know two of their names. I don't know
[10:19] who
>> Yeah. So, um, anyway, it was very nice.
[10:22] Um,
[10:25] uh, I'm going to review the plans, the
architectural plans with the library
[10:32] board of trustees soon, just to let them
know. They've the new chair has been
[10:38] copied on them, but I just want to get
in front of them and run through it with
[10:42] them. Um
and then the architects s are suggesting
[10:48] that we have some hazardous material
testing done of the library
[10:55] uh prior to construction.
It's not necessary, but they're
[10:59] suggesting it because if there is and
they don't think that there's likely to
[11:04] be anything, but if there is something
and you know about ahead of time, it's
[11:09] not a change order and a surprise add to
the cost. Um, so there's a firm in
[11:16] Wilston. So, I don't know if we seems
like a good idea to me. But, um,
[11:21] » what do you think that would be like
like look like for for digging like
[11:26] » No, it's more like in the building.
>> It's more like in the building like lead
[11:29] paint would be a sort of obvious one.
>> Yeah. You're guaranteed. There's no
[11:34] point testing them for that. And uh
sometimes if there's depending on what
[11:39] the flooring like old flooring products
in bathrooms can have
[11:44] » insulation and stuff or
>> you know if there's pipe insulation
[11:49] somewhere um
>> yeah that makes sense.
[11:52] » Can we not do we not have to deal with
that paint?
[11:55] » Can we not have to deal with it?
>> The way lead paint works is
[11:58] » you have to have it uh encapsulated.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's very specific
[12:03] requirements that you have to do in
order to do any work on a
[12:07] » it depends on what
>> basically your contractor has to be
[12:10] certified to work with
>> but don't you have to like put it into a
[12:12] big bag and scrape it all off and
>> that's part but the people you hire need
[12:17] to be certified to do that
>> it probably doesn't cost a lot to have
[12:23] it done I think is probably a good idea
um
[12:26] » I mean they should as long as they're
not testing for lead paint I mean you
[12:31] just have to assume that it has it.
>> It probably need to assume
[12:34] » there's no way to the only way you can
like you'd have to like you have to do
[12:39] what's it's called like negative testing
like you have to come and like do this
[12:43] very very thorough thing otherwise you
have to assume that it has you have to
[12:47] even if you built a wall in the middle
of that thing and you painted it
[12:51] » it's considered lead paint unless you
get a certification so you building
[12:56] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. and because it most certainly has
[13:01] it.
>> Right. Right. Yeah.
[13:04] » Okay. I will reach out to them and talk
to them about it.
[13:09] » And then so the new library director
search um Laura D and I and Brandon Ale
[13:16] the chair of the board of trustees are
the hiring team and we have
[13:22] uh six applicants. It's an international
pool um of applicants. Uh and we will
[13:29] we're preparing for the interviews and
we'll be doing the interviews very soon
[13:33] I would think. Um
so yeah we've got a list of questions
[13:39] from the library that they used for the
previous interviews and we will you know
[13:43] probably use those as the basis for
interviews we do now. Um so yeah that
[13:49] will happen soon. Um
so then on to [clears throat] the
[13:54] Packard Road property. Uh Justin Willis
has been chipping away at this very
[14:01] steadily um which is really great. He
has reviewed uh the location of the
[14:09] water lines from Champlne Water District
and um has confirmed the setbacks that
[14:14] they need for that. It pushes the
building back a little bit but it still
[14:18] works.
Um he has requested and received the
[14:23] final 2018 storm water plans from
Watershed Consulting and he's imported
[14:28] that into his drawings
and he's met with an analyst from the
[14:32] state drinking water and groundwater
protection division to review the site
[14:36] and our plans and that consultant had no
concerns.
[14:40] Um and then just today he sent me
further updates.
[14:45] Um
[14:48] he is proposing that we use a septic
design that works for the four
[14:54] bedroomedroom two two-bedroom duplexes
um or
[15:00] a duplex with two two bedroom
>> total four bedrooms
[15:02] » total four bedrooms yes
>> um
[15:06] which works with the a mount system a
typical mount traditional mount system
[15:11] on the site he said if we really wanted
to push the capacity we could do a more
[15:15] expensive system, but in my opinion, if
we're trying to do affordable housing, I
[15:20] think we would probably not want to do
that. Um, which is how he what he
[15:24] thinks. Also,
um,
[15:27] he's going to do a final review with the
watershed management division
[15:32] of the proposal, and he thinks they
could probably do it with a through a
[15:36] desktop review, but if not, um,
[clears throat]
[15:40] he would meet him on the site and I
could join him for that. Um,
[15:43] [clears throat]
So he thinks we're we are essentially
[15:49] probably ready to go with this property.
He he is suggesting at this point that
[15:54] we have a title search done by the town
attorney just to make sure that there's
[15:59] no nothing in the history of this
property that would prevent
[16:04] » moving forward
>> moving forward. So I think we should
[16:07] probably do that. Um,
and he is uh willing, he said he hasn't
[16:14] put a lot of time into this yet, which I
don't think is really true, but
[16:19] [laughter]
[16:21] he said he's if if we are in fact moving
forward with affordable housing, he
[16:25] would, you know, either do this proono
or at a steeply discounted rate. So,
[16:31] whenever you see him next, be sure to
thank him for who?
[16:34] » Justin.
>> Yeah. Thank him for all of this work
[16:38] because it's really um it's really moved
this along
[16:42] » and he's prepared
>> which this is moving along. We we
[16:45] probably need to have a warned
discussion about it. You know what I
[16:48] mean? Like where we're talking about it
and not just an update so somebody
[16:51] interested would see it on the agenda
and talk about
[16:55] » and we haven't yet spent any money on
it. Um Right. But just in general the
[17:00] fact we're getting to a title search
like oh this this is gonna happen. Yeah.
[17:04] Yeah. No, that's that's that's a good
idea. Yeah, he sent me
[17:08] » and maybe I don't know, Peter. Do you
think it should I mean, should it be a
[17:12] JCDC thing? Kind of feels like a JCDC
thing.
[17:17] » Um
Um Well, that was my question. When
[17:22] Chris was done talking, I was going to
say, so what's the plan for like who's
[17:25] going to actually put a house on this?
>> Yeah.
[17:28] » Like what what individual is?
>> That's a good question. Yeah.
[17:31] » Like is it are we going to sell the
property with some contingencies to the
[17:34] sale, right? or is the JCDC going to
develop it? Like what's the
[17:39] » Yeah, I guess we can
>> put something to think about.
[17:42] » Put on the agenda.
>> Put it on an agenda and then have that
[17:45] conversation about what's the plan.
>> Yep.
[17:48] » I
>> what's the best way to go about
[17:50] » Personally, I wouldn't necessarily care
how we move forward, but I really think
[17:54] the priority should be affordable
housing.
[17:56] » Oh, 100%. 100%.
>> Whatever the best path to get that
[18:01] » Yeah.
>> is would be fine with me. Yeah.
[18:03] » Um, but this path
>> might be Habitat actually.
[18:07] » Well, it might be. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Which would also be It just feels like
[18:12] the type of thing that the JC not that I
want more work on the JC side, but it it
[18:17] just kind of feels like what we're at
what we're supposed to be doing.
[18:20] » Yeah. What we've done to date is sort of
reality test and now it looks like we
[18:24] are
>> it could actually move forward.
[18:26] » The digital is like why can't we develop
that? We're like oh you can't then now
[18:29] it's looking like oh wait we can. Yes.
You've done some like is this actually
[18:33] possible? Seems clearly heading like yes
it is. So now we need to like actually
[18:37] make a plan.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[18:40] Um
>> so maybe the next step would be to Would
[18:43] you be willing to come to our next
>> Sure.
[18:47] » When's the next meeting? It's after It's
after Oh, we're not doing one in
[18:51] September.
>> Oh, wait. No, September. What are we
[18:54] doing?
>> So it'll be after the next select board
[18:56] meeting. So we could put on the agenda
next select select.
[18:58] » What is the date? Uh, it' be the 24th.
>> I'm out of town.
[19:02] » All right. You don't need to cancel
those plans.
[19:04] » There you go. Yeah. We got a house to
build, dude.
[19:08] » You have to build.
>> Why don't I change our town? Get on the
[19:11] vote, please.
>> Uh, you could I mean, you could ask
[19:15] Justin.
>> Yeah, maybe we'll just add it to the
[19:19] next select board meeting and then that
way we can talk about it in public and
[19:22] people can
>> see that it's an agenda item. Come chat.
[19:25] But no, that's really good progress.
>> That's Yeah. And he even did a
[19:29] preliminary site plan that shows where
the septic would be and where the house
[19:32] would be and the setbacks.
>> Sounds like not a lot of work.
[19:38] » Yes. I think he's underelling himself,
but um anyway um
[19:44] uh I did the farmers market last week
with Laura D initially um
[19:50] » which was nice. It was, you know,
relatively low-key. uh chatted with
[19:56] Trevor Squirrel for a while. Um chat
with somebody else who was interested in
[20:02] the Riverside project and what that was
about. Uh
[20:07] so that was good. Um,
and then, uh, as for the bike ped work,
[20:14] um, I've spoken to, I think, Eric, Laura
D, and,
[20:20] um,
Christian Shaheen about this, and I I I
[20:23] think that the best strategy for us is
to make that work.
[20:28] » Well, to make a list of
projects that we want them to tackle and
[20:35] assign dates to those,
>> right? so that it becomes something that
[20:39] actually gets done and then figure out
how to help them do the work.
[20:44] » I did mention to the the meeting that
you couldn't make it last time we
[20:48] appointed a new person and one of the
questions I asked him on your behalf was
[20:52] » we're probably going to be sending him a
little more work. Are you comfortable
[20:55] with that?
>> He seemed okay with it. So
[20:58] » yes, that's excellent. So and you know
Chris Shaheen so we can decide how how
[21:04] to best help them. he suggested you know
one possibility would be help from CCRPC
[21:10] um but if we can't manage it with
current staff and
[21:16] you know help from the PC or anyway I
don't know what the answer is but I
[21:21] think the starting point is to say these
are the projects we want you to take on
[21:26] this is the sequence these are the dates
we will help you do it
[21:34] okay that's it for five updates.
>> Peter,
[21:38] » uh yeah, sorry. Go ahead. Um,
in no particular order, um, we have
[21:45] talked a little bit about the 5% and 10%
petitions item and I would like to get
[21:54] that finalized because
um, we need to have people need to
[22:00] understand that before Tommy reimagine
when public questions are a possibility
[22:05] and the time to explain that to folks or
a logical time is this open house on
[22:09] October 17th.
>> So, I'd like to try to get that
[22:13] formalized by the board before the 17th
of October, which probably means the
[22:19] next meeting or the meeting after for us
to go through it, read it, talk about
[22:22] it, decide. Yep, that's our rule. Um,
and I think the biggest and there's the
[22:28] piece of just understanding the what the
5% statute means and then what the we
[22:36] need to clean up the 10% rule, the 10%
local Jericho policy. We need to either
[22:42] kill it completely or restate it in a
way that's legal. Um, so we need to take
[22:49] action around that one way or another
>> because of what you were saying last
[22:52] meeting about the way it was that
>> the way of is written isn't really
[22:56] » isn't really legal.
>> Yeah.
[22:58] » Um, did the TMR group
>> have any further thoughts after our
[23:03] meeting with them about
they had a different reading on it than
[23:10] » that was the DEI group.
>> Oh.
[23:11] » Oh, you mean who came in and talked to
us? Yeah. Uh, I haven't talked to them.
[23:15] I'm pretty convinced that they
misunderstood
[23:18] » right okay
>> the the situation but at the end which I
[23:22] think they kind of at the end it was Sue
and
[23:25] T I can't think of
>> I can't think of his name
[23:28] » um but I think at the end they just sort
of said with like yep it's clearly
[23:32] people are confused we see you guys to
make it clear what the rules are and we
[23:36] want the rules to be as accessible as
possible right
[23:38] » I think that that is
>> lowering the threshold where possible I
[23:42] think is kind of the intent
>> yeah so the so the big pieces are
[23:45] restating,
deciding what we want to say about the
[23:48] 10% rule, either killing it off or
writing it in a way that's lines up with
[23:54] statute.
And the other piece is the
[23:58] is there some threshold below 5%
where we are willing to put something
[24:06] onto a town meeting day agenda to be
discussed refined and made into statute
[24:12] made into a Australian ballot
>> and voted on at that meeting. You mean
[24:18] » voting on the language to then put on
the ballot for the vote.
[24:23] » Right. So the very quick version for
Chris and Amy is that if someone walks
[24:28] in with so the only way to get a public
question onto the we vote everything by
[24:32] Australian ballot.
>> If someone walks in here with 5% of the
[24:37] town signing a petition that language is
already defined and so it just goes to
[24:41] Australian ballot. There's no need to
talk about it in a town meeting day sort
[24:45] of way.
The only way that something can get into
[24:49] a town meeting day, big group, full town
discussion is if we put it on the agenda
[24:56] for
that budget review day
[25:01] and so only we can do that because if
somebody petitions us, it's a done deal
[25:06] and the language is already finalized.
We can't adjust the language. But if we
[25:09] put something, for example, there was
some talk last year that someone's going
[25:12] to be coming to us with the Palestinian
referendum or and which never happened,
[25:17] but that would have been something that
we could have put onto the public
[25:19] questions discussion as a topic to be
debated. We would debate it. We would
[25:24] change this word to that word and adjust
this and amend that and then finalize
[25:28] that language in that meeting. And then
that final language would then go to the
[25:32] Australian ballot. Yeah.
>> The only way for that process to happen
[25:36] is if we put something on
the warning for the public questions
[25:42] budget review meeting.
>> What we talked about when just the three
[25:46] of us were here was or maybe I I
whatever I brought it up is we could
[25:52] have a lower bar. So if it 5% is I think
around 250 people. if we said we don't
[26:00] want to be any we don't want to say oh
just come to us and put something on
[26:02] there and we'll and we'll put it in
front of the whole town it's important
[26:05] to you it's important to us and so that
someone walks in with some whack job
[26:08] thing and now we're caught but so we
were talking about is there some bar
[26:12] that we feel like is enough
people that we feel comfortable saying
[26:17] yep we'll talk about that we'll talk
about that and adjust the language and
[26:21] if you can if people show up at the
budget review meeting the public
[26:25] questions portion and debate it and come
up with language and then approve a vote
[26:30] to put that language on the Australian
ballot, then we'll do it. And the number
[26:34] that I threw out when we when it was
just three of us was if we have like a
[26:38] 100 signatures. So if someone gets a
hundred senators in town about we want
[26:42] to discuss as a town putting the
Palestinian issue into a conversation
[26:49] have a debate come up with final
language and then vote that language yes
[26:53] or no to be allowed on the Australian
ballot
[26:56] » because you're thinking that 250 is a
high bar.
[26:59] » If they hit 250, we're out of it
legally. It's the like.
[27:03] » But the reason you're suggesting this at
all is that you think that might be 250
[27:07] is a lot of signatures to get.
>> No, because if they get 250,
[27:12] we're looking for a way for our for the
town of Jericho to debate issues to
[27:17] debate like referendums and ideas and
things that are important to the town
[27:21] and have that end up on the Australian
ballot. If someone gets a petition and
[27:25] gets 250 sign that I'm making that
number up people on the on YouTube,
[27:28] that's it's like 227 or something. But
if someone reaches that 5% there's no
[27:34] discussion. There's no town meeting
discussion. There's no the language has
[27:38] been finalized. It goes directly to
Australian ballot. The question is how
[27:41] do we get something how does someone get
something into a townwide persontoperson
[27:46] conversation which then eventually ends
up in the Australian ballot. And what um
[27:51] Gay said to me last year, she said that
she was saying she didn't say it in a
[27:56] judgmental way but she said you guys
should have put the town library thing.
[27:59] That should have been a public question.
How should should the town How should
[28:02] the town How should the town of Jericho
should the town and how should we fund
[28:08] this $200,000 request from the Jericho
town library? That would be a public
[28:11] question that we could all debate.
>> Get to the language of and then put that
[28:15] final language on the Australian ballot
because we were all like, "We don't know
[28:18] what to do." And she's like, "You guys
were not sure what to do." And that
[28:21] would have been a thing you could have
said in town, hey, what do you want to
[28:23] do? How do you want to phrase this
question? And then that question goes on
[28:28] the Australian ballot.
>> My question is, do we feel like the
[28:32] people that show up, the quantity of
people that show up are representative
[28:36] sample?
>> Yeah.
[28:38] » The Yes, that's true. But what I always
think of when I think about that is that
[28:46] for 150 years, those people made all the
decisions 100% with no input from
[28:53] anybody else. that group of people,
which as someone in the meeting that I
[28:57] was in recently said are all the weird
people who like enjoy this silly town
[29:01] stuff and are overly involved in all
this,
[29:07] all they can do is decide what goes on
the Australian ballot. So if my feeling
[29:12] is that like if a 100 people want some
topic to be discussed and voted on the
[29:17] Australian ballot, that's enough for me
personally be like, "Yep, we'll have
[29:21] that discussion in a public questions
meeting." And then that final language,
[29:24] if that body approves it, will then go
to the Australian ballot, which the
[29:28] whole town can vote on.
>> That the public question would be
[29:31] debated at the budget.
>> At the budget review,
[29:35] » budget review. Yeah.
>> Yep. Yeah. It would be debated and
[29:38] » the threshold. I mean, I guess we have
to talk about it on the agenda, but it
[29:42] should be the threshold should be budget
related. Like your example of the
[29:47] Palestinian question, it it doesn't
relate to our budget. So,
[29:51] » right.
don't have to replace don't have to
[29:54] relate to the budget.
>> Should should our threshold be if it's
[29:58] budget related if it's if it's just
something that's just a social issue?
[30:03] » Well, if it's budget related, someone
can just stand up to the meeting and
[30:06] say, "I want to I'd like to I'd like to
I'd like to make an amendment." One
[30:09] person can stand up and make an
amendment to the budget and take out
[30:12] $20,000 to whatever.
>> Yeah.
[30:14] » But the people at the meeting could
decide not to put it on the ballot.
[30:18] Yeah, that's I was going to make that
point on your on your point about the
[30:21] library. Like we had already decided
like just using that because it's our
[30:25] most recent example.
>> Let's say we had said instead of saying
[30:29] » we're going to send this to the ballot,
we're going to have the voters decide on
[30:32] the library repair.
>> It sounds like what Gay is saying
[30:35] instead of doing that, we should have
said let's consider putting this on the
[30:41] ballot and we'll bring it to that that
meeting and talk about it. And so if
[30:46] they had said
not to put it on the ballot Yeah. like
[30:51] it's hard for me to imagine. So we would
have just said, "Okay, then we're just
[30:54] doing it. We're just doing the 200,000."
>> No, we would have said
[30:58] » or we're not doing it at all.
>> We're not doing it at all.
[31:00] » We're not doing either. Okay.
>> We would have said no.
[31:03] Sorry. The the vote the the people at
town meeting decided they're not going
[31:06] to fund that.
>> Which is scary.
[31:09] » Yeah. But again, we're
>> especially if it's something that we the
[31:14] five of us agreed well,
>> but we were we were we were
[31:17] » the board agreed the board voted in
favor of doing it,
[31:21] » but the board was very we were all over
the place what to do with that and we
[31:26] were not we were uncomfortable. I mean,
I personally was like, how do I say no?
[31:30] If I say no, we're shutting down the
library forever. that I might think
[31:34] that's the right thing to do personally,
but that's that's like a huge issue and
[31:38] how do I not say yes? But so I feel like
we were very uncomfortable with how that
[31:44] all played out and
>> but that's a really interesting example
[31:47] because at the meeting there were a lot
of loud voices opposed to it and at the
[31:52] vote it was overwhelmingly that's a
really good point.
[31:56] » Yeah, that's a really good point about
the representation.
[31:58] » The representation at these meetings.
Yeah, that that's a little bit in my
[32:02] opinion that's democracy. And I think
that if that language had been on if
[32:07] that had been a public question, the
library would have had a lot of people
[32:11] there.
I think it would have I think if that
[32:14] was a public question, it would have
gone through more easily. There would
[32:18] have been much le
to positive comments at that meeting
[32:22] would have been massively skewed the
other way.
[32:24] » I don't know. They had a lot of people
that they that that came to that meeting
[32:28] that I've never seen at a meeting before
>> that were there for that. I think they
[32:33] packed it pretty well.
>> I think we also, speaking for myself, I
[32:37] think that we someone I said this a
while ago. Um we are the executive
[32:42] branch of the town government and the
people are the legislative branch. And I
[32:48] feel like we need to be not so cautious
and afraid of asking the legislative
[32:55] branch to do things and approve things
that if that if the town if someone
[33:01] packs the the the packs the room on
something and it doesn't make it onto
[33:06] the ballot then that's tomorrow. I mean,
like I said, like those people, the the
[33:12] few people who show up used to run town
meeting, used to make all the decisions,
[33:16] used to add money to the budget, used to
defund stuff on the fly, and nobody else
[33:22] had any input at all. So, we are already
[33:27] » lessening the power of that group. But I
feel like we if we don't give that group
[33:31] » some real genuine input, then we're just
making that meeting. We've kind of
[33:37] neutered town meeting day and made and
made that tmri just a fake meeting.
[33:43] » It's
a discussion. I Yeah, I guess we should
[33:47] have an agenda item about it because
there's
[33:50] I don't agree. I I I hear what you're
saying and I know that person told you
[33:54] about the legislative body. I think the
point of moving to Australian ballot was
[33:58] because that small group of people who
had time to show up on a Tuesday morning
[34:02] » had that time and other people who don't
were essentially silent. Sure, if there
[34:09] was something important enough, they
could have made arrangements and gotten
[34:13] there. But I thought that I kind of
think of that as the whole point of
[34:16] like, you know, you have 150 people
passing the budget. Well, and it's it
[34:21] it'd be similar with the library thing
or a public question. So, like we're
[34:26] going to decide we're gonna let let's
say there's 190 people that go there.
[34:30] So, if a 100 people vote one way or the
other, it decides if something
[34:35] disappears from the ballot from the
other 2,000 people's ability to say yes
[34:42] or no. I think I don't agree with that.
190 people is a whole lot more than
[34:46] five.
[34:49] » Right now we're the ones
>> who decide that. [sighs]
[34:54] » Yeah.
>> So now it's just free people can now
[34:57] kill the town library.
>> But if we had decided it belongs on the
[35:00] ballot,
>> right? I I feel like I feel like the
[35:04] negative,
>> right? So So to have a hundred people
[35:06] say no, it doesn't belong in the ballot
feels feels wrong.
[35:11] » If who had
I hear what you're saying,
[35:17] » but you're saying 100 people is more
than five. Let's say the five of us vote
[35:22] on what the Palestinian thing we think
it belongs on the ballot.
[35:27] » 100 people out of the 190 decide no, it
doesn't. It just disappears from the so
[35:34] you took that you took that choice from
the other 2,000 people. But we can we
[35:38] can it to you the pal take it away from
the library which is kind of a loaded
[35:42] thing just to the Palestinian.
>> If we all felt like the Palestinian
[35:45] thing is really important to this town
and we feel like it's important
[35:48] politically and d we can just put stuff
on the ballot.
[35:51] » Right. But what you're proposing is we
let them take it off.
[35:54] » No. We can No. No. If we think
something's important, the five of us,
[35:59] we can put whatever we want on the
Australian ballot.
[36:02] » Right. If somebody walks in the door,
>> right,
[36:05] » and has something they feel is important
and they've got a hundred signatures in
[36:08] this fictitious situation and we're not
really one way or the other on it,
[36:14] » then we they've got a 100 signatures,
it's important to them, it's not super
[36:17] important to us. They they can bring it
to the full town and the full town can
[36:21] decide what the final language will be
on the ballot and whether it goes on the
[36:25] ballot or not. But for example, the DEI
committee just came to the just came to
[36:29] the three of you and said, "Hey, what's
in the ballot?" and you said, "Yep, that
[36:32] makes sense. Let's put on the ball,
right?"
[36:34] » And you can still do that. We can still
do that,
[36:36] » right? But but
so going back to the library thing, you
[36:41] said that Gay thought that we should
have brought that to those people. So
[36:47] what exactly was she looking?
We have not decided. Well, you made that
[36:51] as a passing comment that that how the
how the library thing was laid out, how
[36:56] the decision was made about
>> $50,000 per year versus $200,000 all at
[37:01] once and kind of all that stuff. She
said
[37:03] » that should have been and this is
probably shouldn't quote her in public
[37:06] like yeah probably intend but she was
just like that should have been a public
[37:09] question that should have been debated
by more than just the board,
[37:13] » right?
[37:16] » But there's no scenario where she's
lobbying. I I know we're using this
[37:20] example, but it's really important
because
[37:22] » I'm not sure I'm getting it.
>> So, if we did that, we brought it
[37:28] forward.
What exactly is she looking for us to
[37:32] bring? What should we have done? Should
we have said, should this go to the
[37:36] ballot or should this just vote at all
or you know what I mean?
[37:40] » I think what she meant was h
>> how was it paid?
[37:43] » How is it structured?
>> 50 a year for
[37:45] » $20,000 up front. Was it going to be a
year before a year or is it
[37:49] » you know I don't I don't know this is a
year ago and I don't remember.
[37:52] » So but that so that was one we decided
we decided to put that on the ballot.
[37:55] And so what you're saying is
>> if we hadn't decided for for a different
[38:01] one for the Palestinian one we're saying
blah blah blah.
[38:04] » We say it's not important to us. Doesn't
feel like it's something we care about.
[38:07] We're not going to put on the ballot.
But if someone gets 100 signatures
[38:10] » then we
>> now we'll allow the the meeting people
[38:13] to debate it.
>> Okay. And if it if you can get it past
[38:16] those 190 people, then it will get on
the Australian ballot will vote.
[38:21] » Okay, so there's that scenario. But walk
me through if we had said yes.
[38:24] » Yep. We're putting the Palestinian
language on the ballot.
[38:27] » Yep.
>> Is that up for debate?
[38:29] » No.
>> Okay.
[38:30] » Because we have because we're in charge.
>> Well, I think then that
[38:32] » only So only when we say no
>> are we suggesting a 100 votes gets
[38:38] brings it to that meeting to be
discussed. I guess the I guess the
[38:41] procedure might be if you want the rule
to be that everyone in car in in town
[38:45] has to have a pink car, come to us at a
meeting, ask us to put it in the ballot
[38:51] and if we say yes, then you're all set.
If we say no now, no. But if you get a
[38:57] 100 signatures, then we'll make it a
public question that will be debated by
[39:00] the town and the out the final language
will come out of that meeting and get
[39:05] voted up or down and then that language
will go on the Australian ballot. Even
[39:09] though we think it's a stupid rule, if a
hundred of you think it's important to
[39:14] have pink cars,
>> then we'll bring it
[39:17] we'll take it from our room to a room
full of everybody Yeah.
[39:20] » who can show up and discuss it. And if
those people all amend it and find
[39:24] language that they all agree on or
enough of them agree on, then it goes to
[39:27] Australian ballot and gets voted up or
down.
[39:29] » Are you saying you have to have 50% or
more of those people that are at town
[39:33] meeting day then voting on that? Is that
your thought or is it like more 60% or
[39:37] is it
>> No, we can budget. So
[39:41] » um
[39:44] I'm for the most part other than I
>> It's just weird to only do it if the
[39:49] answer is no. I think that you
>> we're not giving them power to say
[39:54] you're not putting that pink car thing
on the ballot even though you you five
[39:58] wanted that on there. That's the dumbest
thing I've ever heard.
[40:00] » I think you say it in a different way. I
think like it doesn't have to be
[40:03] something that we've shot down either.
It's like if you come to town meeting
[40:07] day reimagined with 100 signatures, you
don't have to come to us.
[40:10] » You're allowed to discuss it.
>> You can come and you can discuss
[40:12] whatever you want. Well, you need you
need to bring a 100 signatures to us
[40:16] ahead of time
>> because it needs to be on the agenda for
[40:19] that,
>> right?
[40:21] » Someone needs to bring a 100 signatures
to us. And if I want that in the easy
[40:25] way, like it'd be great if you guys
would just sign up for my pink car idea.
[40:28] » Oh, you don't like it? Okay, no worries.
So, I I have a second way to get my my
[40:32] work done. My first thing is I want you
guys to agree paint car is the way to
[40:35] go. If you all disagree, okay, that's my
first attempt. My second attempt is get
[40:40] a 100 signatures and bring that to you.
Now, will you listen to me? I think
[40:43] » well we still disagree but we'll discuss
it.
[40:46] » But you you met her. I see. Yeah.
>> I I think you should still say it as um
[40:52] we don't have to say no first. Yes. If
you come before and get it more like
[40:55] that I almost want to take that out of
it entirely. Just like anybody can do
[40:59] this but then we have to really well
publicize that
[41:02] » because
>> and that's why
[41:05] » because if they're hoping they'll say
yes and we don't give them an agenda
[41:07] item till November and then we say no
then they've only got
[41:11] » Yeah. They've only got a minute.
Exactly.
[41:12] » And that's why I want to get this
language settled so that at the open
[41:17] house there can be a table about public
questions explaining how public
[41:21] questions get get
>> and if they get 250 signatures
[41:25] » then we're our hands are tired.
>> So are we getting rid of the 10% section
[41:30] all together?
>> We're proposing it. It sounds like we're
[41:32] » I'm not proposing that. That's we we
need to we need to have
[41:36] » we need to clean up the 10% like current
10% language is not legal. We need to
[41:40] clean it up and get it into legal
format.
[41:43] » Yep.
>> The current language defines town
[41:47] business versus not town business, which
are not two real things. What it is is
[41:51] things the select board has the power to
do and things the people have the power
[41:54] to do.
>> Yeah.
[41:58] » So, so much for our short meeting.
That's only my first item.
[42:01] » Oh gosh.
So, can we So, Laura, D, and Eric, can
[42:06] you guys figure out when to put that on
agenda so we can get it settled before
[42:09] the 17th?
>> Is there someone in town or some person
[42:15] who can help us? Not that I'm saying we
have we need it, but help us navigate
[42:21] the discussion. It was quite informed on
this.
[42:24] » Peter's the most informed person we got
on it, unfortunately.
[42:27] » Yeah.
as a gay
[42:32] » the LT
[42:35] » I mean I think we can do it without that
but if there is someone then
[42:39] » I don't I mean
>> add more
[42:42] he's retired [laughter]
[42:46] » I can certainly lay it out
>> I'm not sure but I mean BLC BLC
[42:50] » no you did a good job understanding that
whole within the power of the voters and
[42:54] that like I had no concept of that
before that so And the problem with that
[42:58] is that the BLCT says you can't we can't
list the all the powers of the voters
[43:03] all the time select board all you can do
is
[43:05] » example
>> when someone gives you an example give
[43:07] you something go come to us and we'll
tell you that in their power or yours.
[43:10] » Yeah.
>> What am I signing here?
[43:13] » The list of things.
>> Oh.
[43:16] » Okay. The next Peter
>> um
[43:23] uh open house roof. Um, Laura, I I comm
I've sent an email to all the people who
[43:29] were asking to have tables at open
house.
[43:31] » Okay.
>> I sent a second email to people who
[43:34] didn't respond to my first email, not
naming names, but a few of them are in
[43:38] this room. Um,
>> oh, I definitely didn't respond to any
[43:41] of those.
>> I read them. I didn't know I was
[43:46] supposed to respond.
[43:49] » The select board will be there.
>> The select board will have a table. Um,
[43:54] » oh, I I I didn't realize that was a
question. I just I thought you were
[43:58] maybe I was there. Yeah.
>> Okay. So,
[44:00] » so those those emails went out. They're
coming back with responses which have
[44:03] pretty much all been positive and like,
"Yep, we're going to do it."
[44:06] » Um, Laura wrote put together Laura and S
Laura Crane and SJ put together
[44:13] um like a second communication
document
[44:18] um to kind of lay out in more detail for
groups like here's what we're hoping
[44:21] for. And the idea is to explain to
groups that it's not just about what do
[44:27] you want, but it's about it's not just
about you getting information that you
[44:31] want, but it's also you pitching
yourself to the community. Um, so you
[44:35] shouldn't be like, "Oh, we're all set in
my committee. We don't need any help."
[44:38] That's not what we're asking you for.
We're asking for you what do you what
[44:41] what could what help could you use in
your committee, but also how can you
[44:44] reach out and give people information
about the fact that you get money in our
[44:48] budget and what do you do with it? that
that piece.
[44:51] » Um, so there's my notes right there,
which are super super minor. Um,
[44:58] » um, and we're going to start we're going
to do front porch forum posts every
[45:02] three or four days starting at the
beginning of October about it. Um, I had
[45:07] a question which I've gotten answered
through front porch forum. Town party is
[45:10] canceled.
>> So I don't know what that's all. Do you
[45:12] know what that's about, Laura? Why do
you know what it is? Part
[45:15] » I just saw I just saw it on front porch
forum. says because I couldn't find a
[45:18] date that worked for the the board that
was setting it up. So that worked. So
[45:22] » okay, that's a bummer.
>> Um TMRI committee met in January. No,
[45:28] I'm sorry. Met and has chosen January
23rd as the date for the budget review
[45:34] meeting and the public questions
meeting. Um we talked about I brought
[45:40] back the Saturday idea to them and they
were like, "Okay, great. It's Saturday."
[45:45] Um so that's settled. Um
>> the Saturday and then the
[45:50] » Saturday
>> Saturday budget then break then
[45:53] » yes public questions.
>> Public questions. Yep.
[45:55] » Cool.
>> And we need to iron out the details of
[45:58] like okay public questions begin at this
time. What if the meeting goes long? How
[46:03] do we shorten the meeting to make it
tighter?
[46:05] » Yeah.
>> Um etc. etc. And so related to that is I
[46:10] wanted I think I I think for the TMRI
committee we as a board need to figure
[46:15] out our budget schedule.
Um
[46:20] has have you thought about that at all
yet Eric?
[46:24] » Um
Laura and I met earlier this week um
[46:30] maybe yesterday to talk about just kind
of introduce her to the budget. Um,
[46:37] and I I think, you know, we kind of
agree that I think we've done a little
[46:42] bit better at budget every year and yet
I still think that last year we ended up
[46:48] kind of at the end kind of like we got a
lot to do. And so, you know, starting it
[46:54] sooner, but then trying to understand
from Paula like what when the like when
[47:00] the numbers start coming in like some we
could start now, but if we don't have
[47:04] half the numbers that we need to
understand that it's not going to be
[47:07] much help. So, um,
but I do think we need to start working
[47:12] budget discussions into.
So, I think I I think what we need to do
[47:17] is I think we need a an agenda item for
next next meeting that says what does
[47:24] the rest of the year look like as far as
budget and then maybe we from there we
[47:30] um
you know I think during that agenda item
[47:34] we'll talk about what's the format, how
do we want to think about it. Um, you
[47:40] know, I I mentioned last year when we
started and and I mentioned to Laura and
[47:45] Brian, um,
you know, I I find the transfers in and
[47:52] out to be the most confusing and scary
like right like so many years we've had
[47:58] the budget all dialed in like oh
>> 75 grand we forgot about one way or the
[48:03] other like once sometimes it goes the
good way and you're like oh sweet and
[48:08] other times you're like so I think if we
start there um at least focus on it
[48:13] early not that it not that it might not
change but I think anyway so just
[48:18] talking about what those what those
meetings look like and how to how to get
[48:22] that budget structured and ready so that
it's
[48:26] you know you because you kind of want to
have a budget for them to consider for a
[48:30] little while before they show up at the
budget meeting you know and it'd be nice
[48:35] if if we had it out there for a few
weeks so people have time to consume it
[48:40] and think about what questions they want
to ask and
[48:43] » um
>> you know so anyway that's what I think
[48:46] we should do you good with that
>> so next meeting we'll
[48:49] » next meeting we'll have a budget
>> an agenda item about
[48:54] » the rest of the rest of the year budget
>> okay
[48:57] » planning should be is that good you guys
>> cool
[49:01] » um in so in the so this is still under
TMRI in the name of trying to make that
[49:06] meeting go better. Um, the TMRI
committee wants to have a meet wants to
[49:12] have a meeting with you, Eric, and um,
maybe one other person from the board
[49:20] and like one or two people from the
probably Dave and Gay, the Baron and Gay
[49:24] from the TMRI committee to sort of talk
about what I think of as the lesson
[49:27] plan. So, like meeting starts at 9:00
am. We want to do this first, then this,
[49:34] then this, and what's the flow going to
be and sort of what are what are some of
[49:37] the hiccups that we anticipate and how
are we going to agree to deal with those
[49:40] things along the way just to get the
board and the TMRI committee's ducks
[49:46] sort of lined up on the same page about
what's going to happen that day.
[49:50] » They're trying to control me a little
bit better. That makes sense.
[49:53] » Uh, I I agree with that. It's a good
strategy.
[49:56] » That's what they're doing, but
Um,
[50:00] in more TMRI information is the
parameters for budget changes. Last year
[50:07] we set it at 33 or $36,000 was the limit
of the
[50:11] » We did it based on
>> We did it based on the size of the
[50:15] budget,
>> right?
[50:16] » Or of the
>> proposed part of the budget,
[50:20] » right? Exa Exactly. Right.
>> Right.
[50:22] um
uh they've gotten a lot of feedback that
[50:26] that made people angry and made people
feel like there's no point in coming to
[50:30] this. So, we need to talk I told them
that we would talk about that we would
[50:33] talk about that about what the
parameters for the budget conversation
[50:36] are going to be.
>> Yeah.
[50:38] » Um so, that's it for the TMRI stuff. Are
there any questions on those things
[50:43] before I go to my next thing?
[50:49] » You thinking you're thinking? I am
thinking um yes there was
[50:55] people who did not like that limit and
yet there were people who did not like
[50:59] that the previous year so much money had
been spent on the fly or committed on
[51:05] the fly for those
>> right we were trying to balance those
[51:08] two things we we came up with those
numbers
[51:11] » there has to be something I think
>> I agree what if I mean I think you
[51:15] should still have something like a limit
but then it has to go to Australian
[51:18] ballot like okay yeah if you want
$100,000 to for whatever,
[51:23] » but now we can we can say that. Yes. But
now it's going to be on
[51:26] » we had that we had we we just had three
other we had two other numbers too.
[51:30] » But yeah, it's maybe that we just I know
we had the whole whatever. I forget
[51:34] exactly what they were. But
>> so maybe we didn't hit the sweet spot
[51:37] with that big hitter, but
>> Well, and they just they also just
[51:40] didn't understand it. I just did I just
don't think I piece
[51:43] » they thought they thought I was saying
that if the budget item was more than
[51:46] 33,000 we couldn't talk about it which I
don't know how they got that
[51:50] » that's the other piece is that we need
to communicate all the information about
[51:54] town meeting about that discussion
before well before the discussion so
[51:59] that everyone's on boards with TMRI
people as they're doing all their
[52:02] promotional stuff they can include that
information so it's not a surprise the
[52:06] night of
>> Yep.
[52:09] Um,
okay. So, that's it for TMRI. Nothing.
[52:13] That's We're good.
>> I'm good.
[52:15] » Okay. Um, Eric, we need to schedule our
radio show.
[52:19] » Yes.
>> Be so good.
[52:22] » I'm so excited.
>> So excited that afterward after the
[52:25] meeting?
>> Yeah.
[52:27] » Okay. Um, have we announced Laura Durham
on Front Punch Forum?
[52:31] » No, I will do that. I
should have earlier. I didn't. I will.
[52:37] » So, you got to do that. No.
You have a front account.
[52:40] » She does.
>> Excellent.
[52:42] » The first thing I text her and like I'm
sure five people had already told her,
[52:47] "You're gonna you're gonna want to tap
into this. Just [laughter]
[52:52] » maybe lurk on Facebook.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a couple.
[52:56] » Don't go to Fit. Don't go to F.
>> Don't go to Yeah, but you hear the
[52:59] chatter.
>> I know. Just skip it all together.
[53:02] » I just just Nothing good happens at all.
>> Okay. um local options t tax we talked
[53:07] about and sort of said like oh yeah
let's look into this. We want to look we
[53:11] want to
>> we should decide right now if that's
[53:14] something we want to consider for this
year or not.
[53:18] » I think we shouldn't I think we
shouldn't decide that right this second.
[53:20] which put on
>> I think I'm deciding if we want to
[53:23] decide I'm deciding if we want to put
that on the consider if we want to
[53:26] consider
>> I do I'll go out and say like I would
[53:28] love to warn that and and have a real
conversation about it with
[53:32] » so would I
>> okay me too
[53:35] » great you got three
>> October
[53:38] » beautiful it's going to be a busy one
>> October
[53:41] » maybe like second week of October or
second uh meeting of October
[53:45] » okay
>> when we do that if it's possible to get
[53:47] like how much revenue estimated
If that's like
[53:51] » you got to Google it like like because
it's all Amazon like how many Amazon
[53:55] sales are like
>> you can call you can we can someone can
[53:58] come I don't know if it's Laura or me or
somebody can call the tax department
[54:03] » and they can give you estimates.
>> Yeah.
[54:05] » Yeah. Okay. That would be great to have.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
[54:08] » Right. If [clears throat] it's only
going to raise six grand upset people
[54:11] that's probably
>> we're not into it.
[54:12] » Yeah. Um,
and then these are, as I was going
[54:17] through meetings, I said three follow-up
questions, which of course aren't
[54:20] follow-ups for you because you weren't
here, but and I'm sorry, I'm guessing
[54:24] you'll have no answer to these because
you shouldn't, but if you could just
[54:27] kind of your radar, Bernie, um, Pocket
had asked us to talk to VR about
[54:35] guidance on traffic calming.
>> Um,
[54:38] » we did reach out, um, and we're waiting
to hear back. Um, so the the contact
[54:43] that we have Daniel something uh is
putting us is is trying to connect us
[54:49] with a regional planner. Um, so we're
waiting to hear back. So all followed up
[54:54] again I think Tuesday and got the
response that
[54:58] » is a regional planner like the CCRPC
like Chitten County Regional Planning
[55:03] Commission.
>> No, with V trans. So, um, this was her
[55:06] contact cuz the his followup was to, um,
request to Bernie's request was for us
[55:12] to reach out to VR, which we did, and
they have a regional contact.
[55:17] » Vans has their own regional group. Okay.
>> But we have not connected yet.
[55:21] » Okay. Awesome. Um,
Paula was going to look at all of our
[55:26] emails and figure out which ones can be
de deactivated.
[55:31] We did get a list from and we're
actually meeting with them tomorrow
[55:35] morning with it. Um, so we should be
able to have
[55:37] » with the tech group people. It looked
like all of them were active. That's
[55:42] probably a good head start to making
sure that anyone who needs to be rolled
[55:46] off to to the earlier point like all
these people if they have access to
[55:50] anything else besides just to
>> it. I would be careful about thinking
[55:54] that they're active because like I'm the
JCDC the Jericho
[55:58] » community
>> corporation community develop
[56:00] corporation chair and I don't use that
email. I've gotten a couple emails and I
[56:03] ignore them and because they're because
they're proforma stuff and so I was
[56:07] thinking it might be worth just sending
an email unless it's unless they can see
[56:10] like no no this planning commission
chair has 8,000 emails in the last week
[56:14] but if there's any that look like
they're sparse.
[56:18] Um
[56:21] and then oh and this is file this under
super minor and no one probably cares.
[56:27] Um Paul was going to look into getting
our
[56:32] town website to be.gov rather than.org
because our emails are all.gov and our
[56:38] website is.org.
>> Yeah. And you see like Yep. All and
[56:42] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You got it. And but once we do that,
[56:45] we'll have to change all of our
letterhead as well.
[56:48] » Everything. So,
>> um, will we
[56:53] I will see what more I can learn when
because I did watch I think they came up
[56:57] at the last meeting and and she and I
talked about it. The current provider
[57:01] for our website
>> um did it
[57:06] » plus
uh it'sorg so we can have a discussion
[57:11] and um I think we I was trying to figure
out if we still own the.gov. We do
[57:17] because right when you type in.gov it
goes through that
[57:21] » right.
>> Um
[57:22] » so that's part of the civic
>> that was her understanding. So weird
[57:27] » like you get aorg of discussion.
>> I'd be surprised by that. Yeah.
[57:35] » I don't know much about domain name
stuff to be honest. I I I just don't I
[57:40] just think this is
>> I get that it's an anomaly, but it
[57:45] should be pretty far down on the
priority list of things to worry about.
[57:48] » We want consistency. We need
consistency.
[57:51] » Yeah.
>> So, probably paying for two domains if
[57:54] if one links to the other.
>> Although, you still will be.
[57:58] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's just the other way.
[58:00] » Yeah.
>> Okay. That's all I got. That's it.
[58:02] » That's it.
>> Nothing. Yep.
[58:05] » Thank you. You've been working hard.
Laura
[58:08] » um
>> LC
[58:10] » LC I have very little um the tech policy
I was going to work on some of the
[58:16] feedback I got from last meeting and I
did not do it and I have no good excuse
[58:20] other than I needed a break from the
topic [laughter] um and I was working on
[58:26] other town things. How's that? Um, but I
got a email from a resident who asked
[58:32] for an update to the Jericho towns
people about the red mill and I
[58:37] forwarded it to Laura D Paula, but I
didn't understand the context of the
[58:42] question if anyone has old red mill.
>> Well, I I don't mean what is the update
[58:49] that we might get. I wonder if that's
related to you guys remember town
[58:53] meeting day in 23
uh where we like stopped funding for
[58:59] like there was a fiveyear funding we did
one year
[59:02] » an exemption
>> yeah that's it about the big old
[59:05] concrete things are still there and it
junky
[59:08] » I mean there's there's three things
right exactly there's there's one thing
[59:12] where the year that I ran so I started
paying more attention of course um
[59:18] that's the year that We passed a
um whatever you call it a tax a tax
[59:26] thing to to every every year for
whatever 10 years or 15 years we're
[59:31] going to give them $1876 or whatever
>> $100
[59:36] or whatever. There's a there's a line in
your tax
[59:39] » $18,000 $18,65,
right?
[59:42] » For 1865, the year they were
incorporated or whatever, right?
[59:45] » A tax. We're going to give them $18,000
a year for 10 years.
[59:49] » Yep. So So that's on everybody's tax
bill. So they they may be asking for
[59:53] that reason. Two,
we basically immediately spent all of
[59:58] that money um to work with engineering
firms to shore up the wall. and the town
[1:00:04] was involved for reasons that are really
really really confusing. Um, and I just
[1:00:10] don't think
I don't think anybody knew. I think I
[1:00:14] stayed confused, but I'm not sure
anybody really understands why the
[1:00:17] town's doing it when we don't own that
building.
[1:00:20] » Katherine McMain does aside she
explained it to me once. I was like,
[1:00:24] "What?" Like,
>> yeah, but she's explained it to me
[1:00:26] probably 10 times and I still don't get
it. Um, it doesn't mean it's not
[1:00:30] » the Historical Society.
>> Yeah. or is it your own thing?
[1:00:33] » But so we were involved in the project
for a couple re I know a few of the
[1:00:37] reasons. We can get grants easier. We
we're a municipality. We have a
[1:00:41] relationship with the state and with
some of the so like there's been a bunch
[1:00:46] of stuff done there. And so Mike, it
could be about that or that that repair
[1:00:52] work.
>> Yeah.
[1:00:53] » That engineering work which which just
kept ballooning right every time. All
[1:00:56] right, we'll put this out to bid. Well,
none of the biders want to do it unless
[1:01:00] you also do this other huge gigantic
thing. Okay, so we've got to figure that
[1:01:04] in and then you Anyway, so there's that
whole thing that basically a lot of
[1:01:10] really good effort has gone in but
nothing has happened. So they might be
[1:01:12] asking about that or they might be
asking about the tax exempt thing where
[1:01:16] in meeting of 23 there was a floor vote.
It was just one of the typically they're
[1:01:23] prefuncter kind of things like shall the
churches be exempt shall sell us such
[1:01:29] and such. So and so somebody said well I
don't know if we want to exempt them and
[1:01:34] we made a we made a
>> did one year instead of five or
[1:01:38] whatever. So those are the three things
that come to mind as far as I know.
[1:01:42] » I I can't remember but I assume that
they do something for the town report
[1:01:45] every year right?
>> I guess though they might they might put
[1:01:49] something in there. I don't know. So,
well, maybe I'll just ask the person
[1:01:52] what kind of update they were asking
about.
[1:01:54] » They ask for kind of a generic update.
>> But it should be it shouldn't be us,
[1:01:58] though. It really should be the
historical society.
[1:02:00] » Okay.
>> Unless they want to know what we're
[1:02:03] doing with the money we collected from
them. I feel like we owe them that
[1:02:05] answer. But, um,
>> do you do you want me to follow up with
[1:02:08] her or do you do you want
>> We can follow up with her.
[1:02:10] » Just say what what are the kinds of
things you're looking for? Okay.
[1:02:13] » Yeah,
>> those are my guesses. Could be something
[1:02:16] completely different. guesses. Yeah,
>> it was 20 just quickly Google. It was
[1:02:21] 2021 that we started at 18,000 and
change. So, it's only going to be gone
[1:02:26] in 5 years.
>> That's true.
[1:02:31] » Oh, that reminds me. We have to do
another um select board newsletter.
[1:02:36] So, why don't I pull some stuff from the
uh minutes and then you all can add to
[1:02:41] it.
>> Great.
[1:02:42] » What you're going to want to do is
listen to Peter and I's radio show. that
[1:02:46] you're going to it and then it's all
done.
[1:02:49] » As long as we're doing a newsletter
[1:02:54] [laughter]
[1:02:58] responsible for pulling it together.
[1:03:04] » I don't I don't have any updates. I do
have an executive session topic. Um but
[1:03:10] I don't think I have any updates. Um,
[1:03:16] oh, did we remove the wastewater updates
from that?
[1:03:20] » We did.
>> I was in charge of this agenda, too.
[1:03:24] » Where's Paul when you need it?
>> I know.
[1:03:29] » I did have a So, I'll give a wastewater
update. Uh, I did have I did connect
[1:03:33] with Kate yesterday just because we
haven't connected in a while. Um, we're
[1:03:38] we're giving DNK feedback on what we
want the parameters to look like for the
[1:03:46] 90% per. They they have sent that to
them. They haven't heard back, but they
[1:03:51] think that's just due to some scheduling
stuff. Um,
[1:03:55] so I'm still hoping that we have the 90%
per for our next meeting, which is the
[1:04:00] Monday
the 20some, 21st maybe. No, I think it's
[1:04:05] Isn't it sooner than that?
>> No,
[1:04:08] Monday the 21st is the next meeting. Um,
I don't know that we'll have it, but I
[1:04:14] I'm holding out hope that we do
>> because I think we need it. Um,
[1:04:19] but yeah, things are going things are
going well there. Lot to decide once we
[1:04:24] get that 90%. So, that's all I have.
Amy,
[1:04:28] » uh, nothing major. I have one thing for
ES. Um, but you sparked my mind. we
[1:04:34] should sit down and talk about the uh
the town report and just
[1:04:39] making it look pretty for this year and
and continuing on with that. So, I I'll
[1:04:44] put a pin in that to just shoot you an
email.
[1:04:46] » Um good. That's it for me.
>> Laura,
[1:04:52] » um I appreciate I still would like to,
you know, continue to meet with and just
[1:04:59] keep learning. So connect with me, get
me information. Paula has been
[1:05:05] incredible. I've been consuming a lot
meeting
[1:05:10] » so that I can be as responsive as I can.
Um and also um really getting to know
[1:05:17] some of the other um committee members
and um regulars that come to the
[1:05:23] meeting. So listening, I'm certainly
welcome to meeting our uh community
[1:05:29] members and um keep it up when anytime
you're going to the farmers market. I I
[1:05:35] know there's only a little bit of time
left, but want to make sure I'm just uh
[1:05:38] connecting as much as possible and and
reaching out and getting to know
[1:05:44] as much as I can. You relatively quick.
>> You have the list of when we're all
[1:05:47] going to be at farmers market.
>> I was gonna say when's the next one?
[1:05:50] » Uh it must be next week. I think
>> the 24th I thought.
[1:05:53] » Okay, two more weeks.
>> Oh, September.
[1:05:56] » Uhhuh.
>> I think that's me.
[1:05:58] » Yeah, it is you. Let me I'll I'll bring
it up.
[1:06:01] » Is it just me or is it me and then
somebody else?
[1:06:03] » I feel like you did a double one time
and I forget when that was
[1:06:08] » probably shouldn't be that day because I
think you have JCDC that night that
[1:06:12] you're the chair of.
>> Yeah,
[1:06:14] » I'm bringing it up right now. September
24th. Peter Peter.
[1:06:18] » Yeah.
>> And it goes till what? 6:30. Uh yeah,
[1:06:22] you start breaking down at
>> 6:30.
[1:06:25] » 6:30. Yeah,
>> I was driving out of the parking lot at
[1:06:28] 6:33.
>> Yeah, it does not take long to break
[1:06:31] down.
>> I think I can do a lot of towns.
[1:06:34] » I did not bring my calendar, so I'll let
you know.
[1:06:36] » Oh, okay.
>> December 24th. I could come and close
[1:06:39] that down.
>> That would be great.
[1:06:41] » Do the whatever it is. 4:30 to 7,
>> right?
[1:06:46] » I mean, JCDC starts at 6:30. It's fine.
I can I can start it. roll in 6:45 if
[1:06:53] you want.
>> I don't mind.
[1:06:55] » We'll figure it out. She'll
>> know. We'll figure it out. The other
[1:06:58] thing I wanted to ask about just in
terms of I think sounds like we're
[1:07:02] agenda's pass two or three meetings, but
I want to not lose track of um the
[1:07:08] impact fees. I really like the
suggestions that Chuck made at the last
[1:07:12] meeting about impact fees and how to um
make them progressively funded rather
[1:07:17] than just regressively flat amounts. So,
I like that idea to talk about that.
[1:07:21] » Yep. Okay.
>> That's good.
[1:07:28] » All right. Um, next on the agenda is
approve the meeting minutes of August
[1:07:33] 20th.
>> I had one thing.
[1:07:41] » So, the way this works, I think, do you
know this works, Laura?
[1:07:46] » Sorry, I'm not following.
>> Sorry, Laura Durham.
[1:07:49] » Okay. I think we I think we make I think
we make a we make changes to this and
[1:07:53] then you write them down and then
>> send it to Donna or
[1:07:59] » I don't know how it works.
>> You're gonna you're going to write down
[1:08:01] the changes and then you're going to ask
Paula and Paula will tell you what
[1:08:04] » Okay.
>> Yeah. So yeah, you do have to kind of I
[1:08:07] don't know what the best way for you to
want to do this is but
[1:08:09] » I think she I think I think generally
Paula writes down the line we're talking
[1:08:13] about and then like writes down word for
word what we say. Yeah.
[1:08:16] » So on line 374
[1:08:21] um the previous sentence begins it was
brought up that if we use the two
[1:08:25] biggest sites which are also the least
expensive comma and I want to after it
[1:08:30] says least expensive I want to add at a
gallon at a dollars per gall sorry are
[1:08:37] the least expensive in terms of dollars
per gallon
[1:08:44] because they aren't the least expensive
They're the most expensive, but they're
[1:08:47] the least expensive, dollars per gallon.
[1:08:53] And then on line 376,
it in the middle of the sentence, it
[1:08:59] says it costs less to develop. And I
want to say it costs less in dollars per
[1:09:04] gallon to develop more capacity
initially.
[1:09:13] And then the last thing was on line 402.
[1:09:18] Um
in parentheses in the previous line it
[1:09:21] says though he is not sure we can even
ask him to be there. It should be them
[1:09:27] to be there.
[1:09:34] » That's all I had.
[1:09:42] All right. I make a motion to approve
the meeting minutes as amended for
[1:09:47] August 20th.
>> I second that.
[1:09:51] » All those in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:09:53] » I.
>> I'd like to make a motion going to
[1:09:55] executive session for the purposes of
real estate and personnel because
[1:10:01] premature disclosure of that information
would be detrimental for the parties
[1:10:04] involved. And I would like to take a
moment and think about Paula Holstein
[1:10:08] Holstein and invite Lauren Durham.
>> I second the motion.
[1:10:12] » All those in favor say I.
>> I. Good night everybody.
[1:10:17] [laughter]
>> Quickly before I go, there's no um
[1:10:19] warrants tonight.
>> You didn't mention sign.
[1:10:25] » Thank you. Yeah. Good night.