1 00:00:01,309 --> 00:00:03,329 [clears throat] 2 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:16,040 Mike's coming. 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Oh, thank you. 4 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:30,439 » Hi, Josh. How are you tonight? >> Peachy. 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,920 7:00 6 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,480 calls me in order. Say the pledge of >> allegiance. 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:48,320 Pledge allegiance [clears throat] to the flag of the United States of America and 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:55,020 to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:59,039 liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Before 10 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:03,280 you enter the roll call, please make sure your mics are on somewhat close to 11 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:08,799 your mouth. A lot of citizens are having issues hearing us online. And make sure 12 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:11,840 the buttons pushed down so they're on. If it's not working tonight, we'll have 13 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,799 somebody look into it. See what we can do. 14 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,119 All right. With that being said, we'll move into a roll call of the council, 15 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,400 please. >> Denny Bell 16 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,200 » here. >> Cindy Gassi here. Andrew Hamilton 17 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,520 » here. >> Craig Wright. 18 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:31,000 » Merritt Jones >> here. Okay, next move into the approval 19 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:31,000 of the agenda. Any questions? 20 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,640 If not, is there a motion? >> Motion to approve. 21 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,759 » I'll second. >> There's been a motion in a second. Any 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,320 other discussion? All in favor say I. 23 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,119 » I. >> I. 24 00:01:41,119 --> 00:01:47,040 » Opposed. Motion carries. 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Next, we move on to approve the consent agenda. 26 00:01:50,479 --> 00:01:54,520 Any questions or discussion? 27 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,399 Make a motion to approve. 28 00:01:59,759 --> 00:02:06,719 » Motion. Is there a second? >> Second. 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,119 » All right. Call vote, please. 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,239 » Bell, >> yes. 31 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:11,440 » Gassi, >> yes. 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 » Hamilton, >> yes. 33 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:17,280 [clears throat] >> Motion carries. Next, we move on to 34 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:22,680 citizens input. If you have anything, address the podium. Limit to three 35 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,680 minutes, please. 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,720 You guys will have your time. >> Oh, okay. 37 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,959 » You're on the agenda, so you don't have to approach now. 38 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:38,840 » All right. Next, move on to department departmental reports. 39 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,840 Uh, any discussions or questions? 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Kim, you're kind of late. I don't know if they all made the council pack. I 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,519 don't know if you guys kind of want to give an update where you're at, kind of 42 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:52,760 what's transpired just so the council knows what's coming their way. 43 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:52,760 The last years 44 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,319 call 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,000 the average 46 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:19,959 meeting or Um 47 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:31,599 yeah, that was basically as far as the state also has some funding, but 48 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:38,799 that money will probably get to a project for the county. I think this 49 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:45,799 last time they bought gas meters for EMS 50 00:03:42,799 --> 00:03:45,799 on 51 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:51,159 new ones for that. 52 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,080 So that's the state. 53 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,319 » Yep. 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,280 » Who is representing us on the for the county out of your crew? 55 00:04:14,799 --> 00:04:18,760 went down and 56 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,959 two people. 57 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:47,680 » Any other questions? discussion. 58 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:51,759 » So, what's the steps? You're resigning and thank you very much for your service 59 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:58,240 to our community. >> So, has the ambulance 60 00:04:54,479 --> 00:05:03,360 voted on somebody to replace you? >> Oh, hey. We got a direct phone number to 61 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:08,240 him. [laughter] >> So, our goal was to get it tonight. We 62 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,520 just time got the better of us. >> Let's not care if we got my own personal 63 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:15,520 issues, right? You know, so they are in kind of a It's a limbo for two weeks 64 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,479 till your next one. Would you guys call it that? Fairly uh fairly. 65 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:25,280 » Yes, I'm fairly confident. Kendall, you ran the ambulance many times, been 66 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:28,720 around for a long time. Um so we'll just kind of we'll look for that in the next 67 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,720 agenda to straighten all that up. But >> okay, 68 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,240 » what's that? 69 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:42,479 » We're changing that date tonight, I think. 70 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:46,479 » Yeah. Yeah, we'll be changing it just because of the holiday. 71 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,320 » Okay. So, my letter might just whenever your 72 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:54,479 date >> Yeah, we can get it straight. 73 00:05:53,440 --> 00:06:00,639 » Okay, >> sounds good. 74 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,880 When is the county ambulance supposed to be up and running? 75 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:06,360 » November 1st. >> November 1st. 76 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:13,120 All right. All right. Anything else on department 77 00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:16,639 reports? Thank you both for coming and updating 78 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,680 us. Appreciate Kendall for stepping up. Thank you for your service and we'll 79 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:25,759 touch on it again, but thank you very much. All right, if no other questions, 80 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:30,639 I'll entertain a motion. >> So move a motion. Is there a second? 81 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:34,160 » Second. >> Any other discussion? All in favor say 82 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,360 I. >> I. 83 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:40,960 » Opposed? Motion carries. All right, old business. 84 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:44,639 We're back to the water tower. Thank you, Hamilton, for catching that. Um, 85 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:47,919 they did look through it and it was an engineering agreement that that was part 86 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,440 of the original bid. So, >> great catch. Thank you. So, we're going 87 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:56,080 back to where we were. All these numbers have been adjusted accordingly. So, 88 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:58,960 » we saved you saved over 9,000 bucks with that catch. 89 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:02,800 » Good job. >> Caught one. 90 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:07,039 [snorts] >> I can You know what? I can honestly tell 91 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:11,649 you in 30 years of doing this, I've never seen an engineer send me an email 92 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:15,199 that said, "You're right. [laughter] 93 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:19,199 That was a great catch. >> They shouldn't be paying that. I should 94 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,880 probably frame that email >> from Lucas. Lucas is a great kid. I 95 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,479 shouldn't I'm not picking on him. I'm just 96 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,080 » Well, no, I am picking on him. >> We do not need to boost Andrew up 97 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 anymore. [laughter] 98 00:07:29,335 --> 00:07:33,440 [snorts] >> All right. Any other discussion on that? 99 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:39,759 If not, I'll go in to change order number one. I'll entertain a motion. 100 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,120 » So been a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second. 101 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,039 » Any other discussion? >> Roll call vote, please. 102 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,560 » Cassie, >> yes. Hamilton, 103 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,599 » yes. >> Jones, 104 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:49,360 » yes. >> Bell, 105 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,880 » yes. >> Motion carries. Moving on to the 106 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:58,639 resolution accepting improvements on the water tower painting project. Any 107 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:02,080 questions or concerns with that? If not, I'll entertain a motion. 108 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,520 So move >> a motion. Is there a second? 109 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,560 » Second. >> Any other discussion? Roll call vote, 110 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,680 please. >> Bell, 111 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,360 » yes. >> Gossi, 112 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,319 » yes. Hamilton, >> yes. 113 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:15,599 » Jones, >> yes. [clears throat] 114 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,280 » Motion carries. Next on the for business, a resolution 115 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:24,319 approving the payment for the water tower painting project, the retaining of 116 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:27,360 $15,251. Any [clears throat] questions or 117 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,120 concerns? Hearing? None. Is there a motion? Motion 118 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,959 to approve. >> Second. 119 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,919 » Motion in a second. Any other discussion? 120 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:37,039 » Roll call vote, please. >> Jones, 121 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:38,159 » yes. >> Bell, 122 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,039 » yes. >> Gassi, 123 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,519 » yes. >> Hamilton, 124 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:46,160 » yes. >> Motion carries. Next, we move on to new 125 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:51,279 business. We have a resolution of support for Revive Bodyworks LLC. 126 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:55,839 It's simply just asking for a letter of support. Do you want to speak on it in 127 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,519 behalf or >> as far as 128 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:02,279 » if you will I don't want to interrupt but [laughter] that way the mic will 129 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,279 catch you. 130 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:10,640 » All right. Can you hear me? Okay. Um the whole process is new to me as far as how 131 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:16,399 it goes, but essentially as part of the process when I'm applying for the Bina 132 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:22,320 County Economic Development Commission uh low interest key grant um part of 133 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:27,279 that is you have to to have support by your community um with the situation of 134 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:33,360 moving forward. So, that's one of the items. Um I'm applying for that and then 135 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:37,519 I'm also um hoping for a key business grant as well. Um we're making a lot of 136 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:41,440 changes, a lot of renovations. I'm really excited about it. Um it's going 137 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,160 to great. I don't know if you have any specific questions regarding the 138 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:46,880 process, >> what we're doing. 139 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:49,279 » For the people listening, yeah, when do you think you will be in the next the 140 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,959 new building? >> Our goal is October or November. Okay, 141 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,360 there we go. Perfect. >> And for those who don't know, what do 142 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:00,959 you offer for services? >> So, for services, it's massage therapy, 143 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:06,600 aesthetics, um raiki, reflexology, uh LED, which would be light therapy, 144 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,600 sauna therapy. 145 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,200 » Excellent. All right. Any other discussion, 146 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,600 questions? >> So, what's going to be the scope of the 147 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,000 remodel? >> The scope of the remodel. Okay. So, 148 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:21,040 we're currently in 748 square feet. We're working split shift so that we can 149 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:26,320 um stay with the course of our demand. So 150 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:29,839 we have six team members. Uh we have three treatment rooms. So as we move 151 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:33,200 over there, I don't know if you're familiar with the building, but the 152 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:36,320 building used to be like three separate buildings kind of or not buildings but 153 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:41,519 businesses. So in the front it would be like say Remax or so Craftsy and she had 154 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:46,320 the whole thing, but essentially it could have been like three separate 155 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:51,600 areas. So we're opening it all up. So, the idea is that we'll have six 156 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:57,600 treatment rooms, a large um reception area, waiting room, an area where people 157 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:01,760 could get memberships for sauna led. Uh we have a separate treatment room for 158 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:06,880 chair massages. Um we eventually would like to host 159 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,920 classes, whether that's us teaching classes to other massage therapists for 160 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:14,160 continuing education, bringing other people into the community. Um maybe it's 161 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:19,040 just even community class as far as uh self-care, different mobility, 162 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:24,720 stretching, just getting um different ways for our current clients to get more 163 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:32,079 out of their sessions in between sessions. So yeah, have a lot going on. 164 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Um we're changing um essentially right now um the doors are 165 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:42,079 too small for even like handicap accessibility. So that would be part of 166 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:46,320 it. Um once we reconfigure it, one of the complaints of the previous owner um 167 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,959 of So Craftsy said that people were very confused as to which door to use. So 168 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:56,160 reorienting it to the parking lot side. So the front would be just more of 169 00:11:53,680 --> 00:12:02,000 frontage, but having everybody come in to one primary door and knowing which 170 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,040 route they're supposed to go when they arrive. Um, I think it will be great 171 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:08,480 because when they are at the parking lot, um, there's a lot of other things 172 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,399 going on in that area right now with the Thompson building, with, uh, the coffee 173 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:18,480 shop, with physical therapy, with the laundromat, with, um, the art studio 174 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:23,200 across the street. So, I think it will be great. 175 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,920 Any other questions? >> I just like to say thank you for 176 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,720 investing and continuing investing in Jessup. That's awesome. 177 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,600 » I wish you the best of luck. >> Thank you. 178 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,519 Is there anything else? >> All right. If not, I'll entertain a 179 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,680 motion. So, 180 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,959 » move a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second it. 181 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,800 » Any other discussion? >> Roll [snorts] call vote, please. 182 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,320 » Gassi, >> yes. Jones, 183 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,760 » yes. >> Hamilton, 184 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:51,360 » yes. >> Bell, 185 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,560 » yes. Motion carries. Next on new business is the request for 186 00:12:53,040 --> 00:13:00,480 hearing before the council regarding the nuisance abatement at 1244 6th Street. 187 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:03,839 Matt Rogers. Josh, do you want to start and just kind of catch us up to date or 188 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,000 up to date kind of where we're at in the process? 189 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,000 » Sure. >> Um, 190 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:20,880 so the the request by Matt was um he was served a a notice to abate in reference 191 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:28,560 to having livestock at his residence. Um, so he was served an abatement looks 192 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:33,279 like the 13th of August um with a 10day um a 10day notice or a 10day 193 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:37,120 take care of the issue kind of thing. There was a couple other things in this 194 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,839 abatement as well in reference to a couple things that him and I discussed 195 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:44,639 on the property that was going to be taken care of. So I think the only issue 196 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:51,040 that we're talking about today is the the livestock itself. Correct. 197 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:53,760 » Okay. So and I haven't gone to to look to see if those other items have been 198 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:57,279 taken care of, but I wasn't really overly concerned about it when he said 199 00:13:55,279 --> 00:14:04,240 he'd take care of it. I didn't question that. Um, 200 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:11,639 so the livestock part of it would be chickens which are listed under 201 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,639 chapter 55 202 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:19,600 » 05. No. Yeah. >> Well, listed under chapter 55, but yes, 203 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:23,040 550 specifically >> is for um 204 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,800 » it says that livestock >> livestock 205 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,920 » prohibited. Yeah. I think the definition is under chapter 206 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:35,360 55 in the first part of it. 207 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,920 » Yes. 5501. >> So yeah, so obviously Matt has requested 208 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:44,000 a hearing to uh speak about this matter. You guys 209 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:47,600 » How many chicken are we talking? >> I think there's a 210 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:51,199 » Okay, I was going to say three. I only saw three in the picture, so I I I 211 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:56,399 couldn't tell how many were there without going 212 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:59,519 up and actually looking at them. >> Try to keep my distance. 213 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,959 » Did we receive not did were we informed of this by a neighbor or how did you get 214 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,399 wind >> by a neighbor? 215 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:10,000 » Um, we also received [clears throat] a a note in the drop box, but no name or 216 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:12,399 anything like that. It was just a >> That's fine. I just wondered how I 217 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,600 wondered how the city came. >> So, I don't even know. Yeah. So 218 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:20,000 technically that doesn't even qualify as a complaint, but 219 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:22,320 » yeah, it was brought to my attention by name. 220 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,000 » Okay. >> All right. 221 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:30,079 » Does the council have anything else for Josh? 222 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:33,440 » Thanks, Josh. Now, if you guys want to go to the podium. 223 00:15:32,079 --> 00:15:37,440 » Yes, absolutely. Just state your name and that way we have for the record. 224 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:40,880 » Right. This is your hearing. So, this is your opportunity to present whatever 225 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:49,160 information you want to the council regarding why they should not uphold the 226 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:49,160 abatement directive. 227 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 » Rogers, 228 00:15:55,199 --> 00:16:02,240 I'm sorry. I don't know really what I'm saying here. 229 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:08,560 We got cited for having livestock poultry in our yard. Um, 230 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:15,680 We've had him for years. I don't know. I didn't even honestly know that Jess had 231 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:21,519 a on tree. Um, so now now all of a sudden it's a it's an issue because 232 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:26,399 we're trying to do some work on on the the barn that's in our backyard and 233 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,720 which we've always had them in there. Always kept them inside, never had a 234 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:35,360 problem with it. And now we brought them outside and now all of a sudden there's 235 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:40,160 a problem with it. Um, really what I'm kind of Is there any way that we can 236 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:43,519 seek way for approval to eat my chickens or 237 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:47,360 you guys? >> Can I speak on that? 238 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:51,680 » My wife. Um, my name is Jesse Rogers. I'm Matt 239 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Rogers wife. Um, I reside at the same place as him. Um, we bought our house in 240 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:02,720 2008 and there was currently chickens owned by the White family. When we 241 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:08,559 purchased our home, what appealed to us buying that home was that there was a 242 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:15,039 chicken shack essentially there. Um that's what appealed to us having there. 243 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Um we've always had them. Um we after really looking at like the statutes and 244 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:26,079 the ordinances there is a nonconformity clause. Um that building has existed 245 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:29,520 since the 30s. Um I can speak on the people that had actually owned it before 246 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:35,039 that and prove that there was always chickens there. Um our sidewalk, as a 247 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:39,200 matter of fact, um I believe it's that lives behind us. His sister and 248 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,559 their children lived there and had chickens for many years as well. And as 249 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,960 a matter of fact, when they poured the sidewalk, they put their initials in the 250 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,520 sidewalk along with like the chicken feet in there. So, there's proof that 251 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,919 chickens have existed. When we bought the house, um it was part of an estate 252 00:17:53,520 --> 00:18:00,240 sale. We know that family very well. Went to church with them. Um the 253 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,600 equipment that was in there, the heaters, the chicken waters, the chicken 254 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:09,600 um what you call desking box, the one that officer Evans had saw out there 255 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:13,360 that came with the property that was offered to us when we bought it. Um, as 256 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:18,799 a matter of fact, we went over there to help do work on the house just to help 257 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:22,080 get it closed faster. Um, we were actually offered to go ahead and have 258 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,320 our chickens over there. So, we kind of absorbed some of theirs. Granted, there 259 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:31,360 was a lot more chickens at the time. Um, I'm very well aware of USDA rules, kind 260 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:37,200 of guidelines on how to care based on flock size, property We have a halfacre 261 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,840 backyard. Um the garage, shed, wherever you want to call it, sits 262 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:46,559 about halfway back. Um but it does sit about 15 foot from the said neighbor's 263 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:52,320 line. We're pretty sure we know to make the complaint. Um we've had issues with 264 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:55,919 him over the years. Um our other neighbors are well aware. We've always 265 00:18:53,919 --> 00:19:00,160 had chickens. It's never been an issue with them. It's only been an issue with 266 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:04,000 this neighbor as of recently because we simply moved them outside to do 267 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,480 maintenance. And I know we can't tear that building down and rebuild it, but I 268 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,000 do know we are allowed to do maintenance to it. And in order to do that, we had 269 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:16,880 to place our chickens on the backside where it was ventilated, shaded, keep 270 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:23,600 them safe while we do the work to it. And part of that was in the complaint of 271 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:29,280 garbage or what they said, uh, scrap metal, I believe. And so the only thing 272 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:34,880 that that was really of issue of being metal was that chicken being that sat 273 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:41,919 outside of it and so we did move that back inside. Um the garbage however I 274 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:47,919 actually have proof that we do go to the landill every Saturday morning. We have 275 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:52,000 debit receipts that we go. So the issue of garbage bags are should not be an 276 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,679 issue. They get taken care of weekly just like people that would have a 277 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:59,679 weekly route with garbage for pickup. And so that is one of the things we're 278 00:19:57,679 --> 00:20:05,360 asking to have nullified is the issue of the scrap metal and the garbage in 279 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:10,000 consideration for the nonconformity use of having poultry 280 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,000 um with that. And so that's what we're asking. 281 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:21,360 Anything else? >> Okay. Um 282 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:26,480 so a couple things I'll just let the council know before you deliberate a 283 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:30,320 little bit more. Um, so typically when you talk about 284 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:35,120 non-conforming use, you talk about a building and it being non-conforming 285 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:42,400 within a zoning area, right? For instance, um, somebody has a accessory 286 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:46,880 dwelling in their backyard that's larger than the square footage allowable in 287 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:52,960 that zoning district in the backyard for an accessory dwelling. Um, 288 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:58,240 you don't hear about what I would call a prohibition such as livestock being a 289 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:04,080 non-conforming use, right? Livestock are they're either allowed in city limits or 290 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:08,559 they're not. Um, also 291 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:15,200 obviously the concern I would have is that if you allow 292 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:19,440 chickens, then you have absolutely no ability to enforce that provision 293 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,880 against anybody else in town. Currently, right now, your ordinances say that you 294 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:29,039 cannot have poultry in city limits. Period. It's very clear. Um, are there 295 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,720 towns that have chicken ordinances? Yes, there are lots of towns that allow 296 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:37,360 councils to grant permits for chicken ordinances up. You know, Hazelton's goes 297 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:42,159 as far as 20 chickens. Of course, you can't have roosters, have to have coupe, 298 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:48,880 all of all of the things. Um, Jessup doesn't have one. I I don't recall it 299 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,360 coming here before council. I Someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but I 300 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,559 don't remember. Uh, >> oh, it did. 301 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:58,559 » What did [clears throat] Okay. So, that doesn't surprise me that I recall that. 302 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:03,360 um because there was a whole slew of times where we wanted people wanted to 303 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,559 have them and then it didn't happen. So um if you guys denied doing a chicken 304 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:11,360 ordinance then that means at that time you spoke and decided you didn't want to 305 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:16,159 allow chickens. Um what you can do I mean after you discuss 306 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:20,320 or ask other questions is you know you can provide them a certain amount of 307 00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:25,280 time to get rid of the chickens. You don't have to um tell them they got to 308 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:30,960 have them gone tomorrow. you can say, you know, we're we're denying your 309 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:34,960 request, but you have 20 days to get rid of the chickens, otherwise face a 310 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,480 municipal infraction. Um, that's probably what I would recommend in this 311 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:43,840 case as opposed to us entering the property and removing the chickens. Um, 312 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,240 I think that's probably a better solution based upon the way our code is 313 00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:53,760 written. Um, that way a judge can determine whether 314 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:57,440 or not chickens need to go bye-bye as opposed to us entering the property and 315 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,720 physically handling their chickens, which we don't really necessarily have 316 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:06,240 the skill set the or need to be doing. Um, so I don't know that I want to get 317 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,360 in the middle of, you know, if the council goes that way, I wouldn't want 318 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,159 to get in the middle of doing that. I'd rather just give them a time period and 319 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,840 if they don't comply, then you guys can decide whether or not you want to pursue 320 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:20,720 a municipal infraction for violating the ordinance by keeping the chickens. Um, I 321 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,640 can do some digging in regards to her nonconformity argument. I hadn't 322 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:28,080 researched that before tonight, so while you guys talk, I can see if I can find 323 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:31,440 anything directly on point, but I'm going to be shooting from the hip on 324 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,600 that argument. My initial gut was non-conformity applies to buildings, not 325 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:40,320 to what I would call a prohibition of, you 326 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:45,280 know, can't have it in town kind of thing. Um, but again, I'm happy to look. 327 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:50,799 So, >> um, is there anything uh that allows for 328 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,000 grandfathering? Um, >> you see grandfathering and 329 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:57,760 non-conforming use all the time regarding structures. 330 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:01,919 » Okay. So yes, there is such a thing as grandfathering in where and that's kind 331 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:08,159 of what she referenced in regards to usage of buildings. You can if if a 332 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:12,799 building is nonconforming um the subsequent owner acquires that 333 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,799 nonconforming status and it's still grandfathered 334 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:21,159 um so long as you don't change its use or significantly alter its 335 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,799 depiction, its use, whatever. As long as you 336 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:30,559 » Yeah. setbacks and whatever. Yeah. >> Have in your research, have you found 337 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,720 any language in our ordinance that allows for grandfathering? 338 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:39,360 » Yes. So, not only just non-conforming use of the building, but non-conforming 339 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:43,120 use of the property. Um, our deeds go back. It actually used to be a farm. As 340 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:48,000 a matter of fact, our neighbors property and ours was one property at one time. 341 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:53,039 And if you were to do like an aerial photo, you can see like the existing old 342 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:58,559 driveway actually did like a loop around this chicken. Um, and we had looked up 343 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:02,799 Iowa laws and so this wouldn't be like a new precedent. This is actually a lot of 344 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:07,360 times this is happening where people have said we do have like a right to 345 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,120 have hobby farming and that with existing especially when that was the 346 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:16,400 one thing that really drew us to buying that home. Um, and there was nothing in 347 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:20,880 the statute that we needed to apply for a permit for it. It's kind of a gray 348 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:24,240 area is what I'm finding. Oh, it would obviously depend on when your ordinances 349 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,240 were passed and how long these were in here. I mean, it would take a It's not 350 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:33,200 as simple as as saying, you know, I've found this and I know that we can do 351 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:36,480 this. It's not that simple. >> We signed it on Thursday. 352 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:41,600 » We've done >> outside of work. 353 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,960 » Can Can you Can you site a section ordinance that deals with that? Um, yes. 354 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:52,760 » I mean, it'll make it easier for >> Yes. So, I actually um did type that up. 355 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,760 So, the first one, it's 65D.05 356 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,919 and then um that was talking about non-conforming uses of land. But then 357 00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:06,000 there's also definition the >> that's using the land in a way that's 358 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:11,840 not possessing something that's illegal under the code. That's using the land as 359 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:16,159 a business or using the land as an active farming operation or using the 360 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:21,279 land. It's not it's not possessing something that's prohibited. That's 361 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,320 where I'm struggling with your argument. >> Approve that to 362 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,799 » I guess >> see how it says so it's non-conform. 363 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:32,880 We're not dealing with 165D.04 is non-conforming buildings and structures. 364 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:36,720 We're not dealing with that. This is not this this isn't a discussion that of you 365 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,320 having a building on your property and you're and you're and it's 366 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,159 non-conforming like it it violates setbacks or you know you're you're 367 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,520 within five feet of your property line when you're supposed to be 20t away. 368 00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:54,760 That's what that's what non-conforming buildings and structures is. Um 369 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,760 non-conforming uses is 165D05. 370 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:12,320 Again, typically what I see with that is, you know, somebody had a 371 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:18,480 hairdressing salon in their garage and they did hair styling in the garage for 372 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:23,120 years and then the R1 district was the overlay and it said you can't operate a 373 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,679 business out of your garage, that's like a non-conforming use. but if she had 374 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:32,400 already operated her hair salon um in the business. So, where I' what I 375 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:36,400 was getting at that I've never seen is when you've got a prohibition that you 376 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:41,120 can't possess poultry. [laughter] That's different than that's different 377 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:44,480 than the use of an of an R1 zoning thing. 378 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:48,960 » Well, okay. How's that different? I mean, you're using for for a specific 379 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:54,399 kind of a business versus you're using it for a certain kind of 380 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:58,480 » way of life. Well, it's another way. If if they were selling chickens instead of 381 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:03,919 selling haircuts, what's the difference there? 382 00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:07,919 Or is there a difference? I don't >> Yeah, it's not a It's not a business. 383 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:11,919 It's not using It's not using the structure, 384 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:18,559 the use of the property. Uses of the property are about Okay. So, um, R1 is a 385 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:22,799 is a single family residence district and it has all kinds of different things 386 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:26,320 that you can do in an R1, right? R2 is usually multifamily and single family. 387 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,720 It has all kinds of things you can do in there. A one says basically you can do 388 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:36,000 anything in A1, right? Kitty bar the door, you can farm, you can do whatever 389 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:39,600 you want in A1. So when we talk about using 390 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:44,240 your single family residence for something other than what's delineated 391 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:48,399 in R1, that's a nonconforming use of the land. 392 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:53,120 See what I mean? Operating operating a hair salon in the single family 393 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:56,240 residence district is a it is is not allowed under R1. You're not you're not 394 00:28:54,799 --> 00:29:00,799 supposed to be operating a business in a in an R1. And I I have no idea. Are 395 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:03,760 these folks in an R1? I'm just picking that out of the thin blue air. Is it R1? 396 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,919 R1. >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's R. So, so let's 397 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:17,440 look at So, non-conforming uses of land 165 DO5 D05 398 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,600 talks about using the land in a different way than what's allowed in 399 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,600 that zoning district. So now if we go to R1, 400 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,520 which is probably a whole different chapter that I can't get to right now 401 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:36,000 would be my guess because it's our zoning regulation, 402 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:39,000 but I think I can get to that on your website. 403 00:29:42,275 --> 00:29:44,295 [clears throat] 404 00:29:52,960 --> 00:30:02,039 Maybe I can't. Zoning districts. There we go. 405 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,039 Um, 406 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:12,159 okay. Your R1 principal permitted uses. This is what this is what uses are 407 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:16,240 defined as. single family dwellings, churches, public schools, parochial 408 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,240 private schools, public parks, public buildings, family homes, home 409 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:25,760 occupations, accessory uses, special exceptions, hospitals, swimming pools. 410 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:30,799 None of these things are they're they're all how you use the 411 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:34,000 property, not what do you possess on the property. See? See what I'm saying? Is 412 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,880 the difference? >> Yeah. 413 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:42,320 It's not a We have a prohibition in our code that says you can't have livestock 414 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,880 in city limits. >> When when was it question? So you're 415 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,880 saying because I live in my house is not considered a house 416 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:55,919 » because my chickens live in the chicken shack or farm in the backyard. That's 417 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:58,320 not considered what they live in the use of what they live in. I live in my 418 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,960 house. >> No, you're not understanding what I'm 419 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,200 saying. >> You're not understanding what I'm 420 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:10,480 saying. I'm saying R1 has a list of uses of what you can do in R1. And when we 421 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:16,640 talk about non-conforming uses, we're talking about how we use the buildings 422 00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:22,840 that are in that R1 zoning district. We're not talking about what's possessed 423 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840 on the buildings. 424 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:29,200 Uses are about how you use the principal permitted structures. 425 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:34,559 chickens live in the chicken coupe that's not used as a chicken coop. 426 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,919 » But because I possess the chickens that excludes the chickens. Is that what 427 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,760 you're trying to say? >> I mean, I'm not trying. 428 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:46,000 » No, I'm No, I'm I'm read I'm reading the code very plainly. We have an ordinance 429 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:50,880 that says that you cannot possess poultry within city limits. Period. It 430 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:55,039 doesn't say you can't possess poultry within city limits unless you've lived 431 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,559 here for 20 years. It doesn't say you can't possess poultry within city limits 432 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,799 unless you have a coupe and a chicken house in back and you're accepted by a 433 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,279 special building permit. It doesn't say any of those things. It specifically 434 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:13,200 says you can't possess poultry and city limits. Period. It doesn't say unless 435 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:18,559 you've been non-conforming or unless you've got a non-conforming use. 436 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Reference 165D. The plain reading of our code says you can't have poultry in city 437 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:31,039 limits. And there's nothing in there that would make any reference to uh 438 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:35,919 raising poultry at that location prior to the enaction of that ordinance. 439 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,200 » Not in there. >> I I have I have no there's no reference. 440 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,320 There's no reference. There's no reference. 441 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:48,080 » What exactly was it passed that? I I would say that these I mean I'd have 442 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:52,480 to do some major digging, but these are standard code of ordinances that have 443 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,440 been around for over 20 years that I've been representing city. 444 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,600 » I was going to say we we we had chickens when we bought our house when we moved 445 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,279 in there. We had chickens when we in the rental house that we rented in Jessup 446 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:05,919 before we bought our house. >> We had chickens before we even moved to 447 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,360 Jessup. >> Does it matter? 448 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,679 » So like >> even if they had chickens, we just 449 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,559 passed it tomorrow. It's still then against the code. Correct. 450 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:17,600 » If you say that again. So if we just passed the code say a week ago and it's 451 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120 the new code, they have to uphold that, right? 452 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,279 » Well, that's what >> I mean it doesn't matter doesn't matter. 453 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,279 » I do not believe her grandfathering argument is applicable to chickens is 454 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:32,720 what I'm saying. I would have to research that more. But my my my 455 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:37,200 personal quick gut reaction after not knowing any of this until showing up 456 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,480 tonight is that >> the is is is that you can't use a 457 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:46,799 non-conforming grandfather argument on a prohibition against chickens. You can 458 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:53,360 use grandfather non-conforming arguments on uses and and zoning var variances 459 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,880 like setbacks and and how you use your structure, but you can't use a 460 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,519 grandfathering argument on something that's prohibited. That'd be like the 461 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:06,320 best example. Okay, we've decided to prohibit vaping in city limits, right? 462 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:11,679 So, we're going to prohibit vaping if you're under the age of 21, whatever. 463 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,240 Okay. Now, does that mean that the people who used to vape get 464 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,960 grandfathered in? >> No. 465 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:21,200 » Doesn't work that way. This is a prospective law, meaning once it's in 466 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,520 place, it's followed. Just like new criminal laws are. Once we say that you 467 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,520 can't possess marijuana, you don't get grandfathered in because you previously 468 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:33,679 possessed marijuana. >> You can't possess marijuana moving 469 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:37,760 forward. It's prospective. It is applicable prospectively. 470 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:43,200 » So, moving forward, is this a law that can never be changed? No, it absolutely 471 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:48,000 can be changed. A city has home rule. A city has home rule power to go ahead and 472 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:52,079 determine if they want to let chickens be within city limits. And there have 473 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:55,679 been lots of meetings I have sat at at other cities other than just where 474 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:59,280 individuals such as yourself have made applications to city council and have 475 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,400 asked them to consider modifying their livestock ordinance to allow chickens. 476 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:09,040 » Okay, that's what I was asking. What is the next step? But we you would look at 477 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:12,800 » Well, my next question is I do in the ordinances that we can make special 478 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,320 requests. And so I was wondering if there was a couple things we could 479 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:21,119 consider while you look into the possibility. Um I recommend looking at 480 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:26,160 the different Iowa laws where it had gone to court considering livestock and 481 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,920 grandfathering into non-conforming use. It's happening all over in a lot of 482 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:33,599 small towns. And so that's why we're trying to make that argument. And I wish 483 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,520 I would have wrote down those specific cases. I'm sorry I didn't because this 484 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:42,480 was again outside work trying to get this thrown together to save our 485 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:47,359 chickens. So, um, but I'm considered that maybe a special request until it 486 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:55,920 can be truly determined to hang on to them so we have more time to properly 487 00:35:50,880 --> 00:36:00,160 home them if it is denied. Um, >> you you asked a question when, and I was 488 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,320 on the council when the last time we discussed that. And if I had to make a 489 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,040 guess, I don't want anybody hold me to this, but I would guess it was 490 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,920 approximately three years ago is what I'm I'm guessing. 491 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800 » That's real close on that. I made the request. 492 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640 » What's that? >> I made the request. You would be real 493 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,640 close. >> I was here for it. 494 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,720 » You were here for it. >> Okay. The ban on poultry has only been 495 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,400 within the last few years. >> No, no, no. They made a request to 496 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,240 change it like in favor of your folks or wanting. So it's it's been up in the 497 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,320 last three years and at that time the council was not in favor of changing it 498 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:38,079 either >> and understand like we do want to follow 499 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:43,119 rules but it was um we thought that how we interpreted non-conforming use that 500 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:47,040 it applied to us. So I just don't want anybody thinking that we're trying to 501 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,359 break rules. >> I'm trying to be the ones that get away 502 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,560 with something. >> Yeah. And we live right by the bank. I 503 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,920 mean, we've been open about having chickens, why it took this long, I 504 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,839 guess, if it really has been that banned, why a complaint finally came 505 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:04,880 through. I can give you a reason why, I'm guessing. Um, but regardless, if 506 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,560 we're breaking ordinance, we are. Um, what I'm asking is special requests for 507 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:13,200 consideration um 508 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:18,640 to have them until maybe something's determined, a special request, special 509 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:23,680 use, something. Um, we would like to be stewards. I mean, we we they're very 510 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:28,240 healthy chickens. We know we only have five, no roosters. Like, we're very 511 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:34,320 vigilant about understanding how to keep odors down, noise, how to care for them, 512 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:42,079 healthy chickens to pre um prevent pest, rodent control, all that. Um, my son 513 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,520 joined FFA years ago simply because we had chickens. They grew an interest. I 514 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,200 think it would be a great thing in town for children to have. It teaches 515 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,839 responsibility. Um, it teaches stewardship. A lot of 516 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:58,000 kids that live out in the country tend to do more FFA than kids in town. And so 517 00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:05,119 I'm very proud that my son Memphis did join FFA. And I know it's because that 518 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:09,119 we have them. Um, I would like to be like that trial person if it is 519 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,560 something to be in consideration in town to be like, hey, this is how we can 520 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:16,560 properly care for them. These are the things you need. We have a halfacre lot 521 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:20,240 size. We know five is more than enough. I would say if they're definitely 522 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:26,160 smaller yards, probably not five, but they don't free range in the yard. We 523 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:30,960 have a long enough run for them. Um, they're healthy. There's no issue of 524 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,079 odors. We clean it weekly. Like, we're on top of it. As a matter of fact, we 525 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:40,720 all three of us in our house work three different shifts. So, we are all on top 526 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:45,359 of it constantly. Um, I've never felt so hard for an animal, honestly. We've had 527 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:49,359 various pets and It's the one thing that gets me through honestly with I have I 528 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:53,040 guess emptied nest syndrome and everything. It's given me purpose and 529 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,680 drive in the day and I feel very proud that they're very well taken care of and 530 00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:01,359 they're healthy and regardless of the fact that apparently we're breaking city 531 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,520 code and we understand that. We're just trying to figure out a way to [snorts] 532 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:10,320 have a happy medium with this where they can still continue to be taken care of 533 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,000 if we can't have. So that's where we're at simply because 534 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:19,440 we might have misinterpreted city ordinance. I guess 535 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:21,760 » yeah, I don't think anybody thinks bad people are trying to down the wall. I 536 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:25,359 don't think that was ever >> Yeah, I don't get that. 537 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:29,520 » Our neighbor does and I'm going to be honest, we have been we live around a 538 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:33,280 bunch of people. We get along great with all of our neighbors except for the one. 539 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:37,520 Um and it definitely plays into a lot why we cannot fix up our home. Cannot 540 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:41,920 because every time we do, he's out there yelling at us. we can't even fix up our 541 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:45,200 house because we're cocooned. And so I just think it's funny that when I 542 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,320 finally brought up the concern to our neighbor, all of a sudden now we have a 543 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,160 complaint about having chickens. So it's like either you've turned a blind eye 544 00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:56,880 the whole time and didn't care until we slided you somehow. So that's where I'm 545 00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:01,912 finding this very odd that and we've lived in our house 19 years and this is 546 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:05,040 the first time this has ever come up. [snorts] And that's all I'm saying is 547 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,920 that I just think this is kind of retaliatory more than it is that an 548 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:14,400 actual concern we have chickens. Um I am on the Jessup Facebook pages. I do know 549 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,760 that there is a huge interest in having them. I get there's going to be some 550 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,000 people that don't, but I think that if there is good regulations I'm for the 551 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,480 regulations of like how many you can have, no roosters, things like that. And 552 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:30,160 we're already exhibiting that at our house and exhibiting that they are 553 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:35,440 thriving and that the neighbors have had zero issues. the one neighbor until 554 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:39,520 recently. So, I would like to propose it maybe 555 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:44,320 getting something potentially started if we could be that example of how to 556 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,040 properly care for the right size and amount of chickens, things like that, or 557 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:55,480 at least initiate steps into getting this going for the town if we can't get 558 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:55,480 personal use out of it. 559 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:05,119 » Josh, do you [snorts] have the text of the uh complaint 560 00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:07,599 » the text. >> I I have the the nuisance statement. 561 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,920 Why? >> Which one? 562 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,720 » The the complaint against >> Oh, 563 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,839 » what we're talking about here. >> I have We have the one that was dropped 564 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,880 in the mail the mailbox. >> It's not signed. I don't care about 565 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:23,839 » Yeah. Well, if it's not signed, it doesn't matter. 566 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:26,800 » Well, my attention. So, I mean, in theory, it does matter, but it's not an 567 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,319 official. No. >> Okay. 568 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,200 » But in the end, there is against the code. I mean, they're visually there. 569 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:40,319 » Yeah. I'm I'm just I'm just >> The other the other complaint that I had 570 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:45,680 a few months ago was was by word mom. >> Okay. So, there is no formal complaint 571 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,720 against the these property owners. Is that what 572 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,720 » There is no formal complaint. >> Yeah. It doesn't It doesn't matter. 573 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:56,000 » Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. The problem is is we've now been made aware 574 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,640 of it and and we now have a violation that we have to address. 575 00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,640 » Yeah. council 576 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,599 have anything else or >> we need to close the 577 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:10,240 » You do need to close the hearing. Yes. So that you can discuss. 578 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,520 » So at this time I'm going to close the hearing and then we'll discuss and you 579 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,480 guys are welcome to stay and then you'll hear what we have to say too. So 580 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:19,560 » thank you. >> Thank you. 581 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:33,680 » All right. The hearing is closed. I'll open up discussion for 582 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,560 the council. Is that the correct way to >> Okay. 583 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,359 » So, I guess my biggest is what I'm looking at. It's two different issues 584 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,560 here. One, if you want to change ordinance, we got to go about that a 585 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:47,440 different way. And we have an ordinance that's being violated currently the way 586 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,640 it's wrote. So, I mean, I think it's two separate issues. If you want to go 587 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,240 forward and change ordinance, that's a whole different process. the current 588 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:57,680 current way it reads ordinance is being violated and we got to handle with that 589 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,599 » right >> first correct [snorts] is that how you 590 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,839 guys are feeling this as well >> is in the past we've had people come to 591 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,280 the council wish to change the ordinance and it did not happen at that time it's 592 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,880 different councils I'm not saying never but that's has to be done before you get 593 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,599 the chicken right >> right it's the way I feel um yeah open 594 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:20,920 up for discussion what you guys have to say as well 595 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:28,319 When we decided this the last time, the people that I talked to, and I know 596 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:33,200 there's a group of people, because I see it, that would like to have chickens. I 597 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:36,800 get that. That's fine. By far and away, the majority of people 598 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:43,040 I talked to in town did not want chickens in town. And me as a citizens 599 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:47,760 of town, I don't want chickens in my neighbor's backyard. And just be 600 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:53,119 perfectly honest with you. Um, that's that's my feeling just um and that was 601 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:57,280 my feeling then and then my feeling hasn't changed. I'll just be honest with 602 00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:02,960 you. I just don't think that's something that at this point in time that I feel 603 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:11,200 comfortable changing as far as the city statute. 604 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:15,680 That said, I'm not opposed to giving a couple weeks or, you know, till 605 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:22,079 September 1st or something for you people to to do something with your your 606 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:29,760 birds. But just be up front. That's where I'm at. 607 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:36,240 » Any anybody else? >> Can I speak to a couple other things on 608 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:41,920 the quick just as something that they said? while they're up here. It's just 609 00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:46,079 they said something about the I can't remember the name of it. The the chicken 610 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:51,119 uh metal thing >> chicken box. Okay. 611 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:54,880 » So, that box has already been moved. Yes. 612 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,800 » And put Okay. So, I guess I just want to make sure that I mean and I'm sure 613 00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:06,079 that's the plan. If the if the chickens aren't approved to be there that that 614 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:10,160 stays outside or you know flowers in it or something. 615 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:14,640 » Yeah. Okay. And then I just wanted to address the garbage thing as well. I 616 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:18,720 know that you may or may not have I'm sure you do. I'm not going to question 617 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:24,640 that weekly pickup. Um, the issue, my issue that I would 618 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:29,440 have and that somebody else may have had is that if it sits out for an entire 619 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:33,040 week before it's taken, if that can just be put somewhere else, 620 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:37,119 so it's not sitting outside for a week. I know people have weekly pickup, but a 621 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:42,079 lot of times their garbage doesn't sit curbside or outside their house for a 622 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:46,560 week. Um, and the only reason I say that is because, you know, rodents, animals, 623 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:51,359 stuff like that. That's what concerns me. So, I think if that stuff's kind of 624 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:57,240 out of sight for that week or whatever. I just wanted to see if that could be 625 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,240 addressed if need be. 626 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,880 » Thanks, Josh. Anything else from the council? 627 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:12,400 » Heather, do you need more time to look into stuff or No. 628 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:18,240 » Um, okay. Would I always love to have three 629 00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:22,480 hours to research topics and be able to provide you with an in-depth legal 630 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:26,960 analysis on why I believe my answer is correct? I would always love that. 631 00:46:25,092 --> 00:46:30,000 [snorts] Unfortunately, a lot of city government doesn't 632 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:34,319 necessarily allow me the opportunity to do that all the time. 633 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:39,839 » Sounds expensive. [laughter] >> Exactly. So, um, if you're asking me 634 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,520 based upon what I'm digging into right now and what I'm seeing right now, 635 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:49,599 whether or not I feel confident in my position that our chicken ordinance is, 636 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:53,200 um, can be upheld and is legally survivable and allows us the ability to 637 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,359 prosecute as a municipal infraction, my answer is yes. 638 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,800 » Okay, >> fair. 639 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:05,280 » That is my I you know, that that is my gut. And and and again that's after 640 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:11,760 hearing lots of arguments on variances and non-conforming uses and how those 641 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:15,359 zoning overlays a affect things. I have never seen a successful argument where 642 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:20,800 there's a prohibition about doing something in particular and seen that 643 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,720 work as a grandfathering. And again, my quick Google search is 644 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,920 basically saying that unless when passing the ordinances, unless you 645 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:33,760 specifically put language in about grandfathering a particular prohibition, 646 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,200 um it then applies prospectively and everybody's got to follow the law. 647 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,880 » This is not >> again, I can keep rattling off things 648 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:47,599 like, you know, I don't know. Trying to think of a good one. Um let's 649 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,599 look at your code. >> I'm gonna interrupt for a second. 650 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,040 » No, go right ahead. And this ain't the first time we've had an incident like 651 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:59,839 this. What was it? Five, six years ago, we had a a pig. Same process. 652 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:04,000 » Um, exact same progress. So, I mean, >> it's not like it's the first time for 653 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:08,079 just this either. So, just so you're aware of that as well. And I think then 654 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,440 that one they gave the family so many days to relocate the pig as well. 655 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,520 » Well, this is something I've never considered before. It just didn't cross 656 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:23,000 my mind. I don't if We're going to make some kind of a 657 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:32,960 ordinance that allows a certain number or certain time in a certain space or 658 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:37,200 whatever. Just think of something. Um I don't feel equipped right now to be 659 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,640 making any kind of a judgment on that. >> Well, you don't have before you a 660 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,760 decision on modifying the ordinance tonight. 661 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:47,520 » No, >> that is not your decision tonight. Do we 662 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:50,319 have the ability to, as Denny said, give them a certain length of time? 663 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:56,240 » Absolutely. >> Okay. 664 00:48:51,200 --> 00:49:01,119 » Yes, you can uphold the request for the notice. Basically, you're upholding 665 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:05,599 the request that the chickens no longer be there and with the condition that 666 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,880 they be given an additional 14 days, 21 days, whatever, whatever days you want 667 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:14,480 to give them in order to [snorts] find an ulterior an alternative 668 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:18,079 placement. Then if they want, they can put the issue before you all again. You 669 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:23,119 know, they they got to come to the mayor and go, "We're going to we're going to 670 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:28,000 apply and come to a public comment and make our pitch for why we think you 671 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:31,760 should allow six chickens in city limits so long as there's a coupe and no 672 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:36,240 roosters and all of those things." >> Yeah. And then you can amend your 673 00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:38,400 livestock ordinance to allow that >> or not. 674 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,000 » Or not. >> That's there's two different issues 675 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:45,280 here. the first one. >> Get the first one. 676 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,880 » How long is it going to do you think it would take you to find a home for your 677 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,200 birds? >> I mean, a few a few weeks in the very 678 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:59,040 least. Um, we do have a few friends that I think 679 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:04,240 will take them. It's just a matter of asking and then lining up just because 680 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:08,559 we all at our house work 12 hour plus shift. So, it's a matter of the 681 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:16,480 logistics because you're talking not just chickens, you're talking and a run 682 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:21,160 in transportation because our very close but close enough that we can transport. 683 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:27,640 So it's a few weeks 684 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,200 » I think soil 685 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,079 » and it was just reviewed three years ago. 686 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:55,040 » Yeah. >> And we've had 687 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,040 my 688 00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,595 situation. [snorts] 689 00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:03,319 » Yeah, 690 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:12,880 I don't know how these people will vote. Um, I appreciate you coming in. Whatever 691 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:16,240 happens, you made a fair argument. Um, I would encourage you, no matter what 692 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:20,880 happens here, that you consider the fact that by definition, you've had chickens 693 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:26,079 illegally to city code for some amount of time. You snuck one bias there. Good 694 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:30,640 work. I say if it if it doesn't go in your favor. Like I encourage you to not 695 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,440 look at this as the end of the world. Look at maybe putting a petition 696 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,720 together, getting a bunch of people to sign it and put that back in front of 697 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,079 us. So So you know, so it gets forced on the agenda. Like this doesn't whatever 698 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:43,359 the vote is, it doesn't have to be the end of it for y'all. I don't know what 699 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,920 the right decision is. I don't think anybody even cares what my decision is. 700 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:51,440 So I'm not even going to voice my opinion. But just know you did all the 701 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:57,880 right things today for sure. But that today might mean you have to keep trying 702 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,880 to do some more things after that. Okay. 703 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:07,680 » Anybody else have anything? If not, I would like to kind of guide 704 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:13,960 somebody. >> Yep. There need to be a motion in 705 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,960 regards to the status of the directive. 706 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:25,760 in favor of >> what did you say? I couldn't hear you. 707 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:29,839 » Uh uphold the two weeks. 708 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:32,160 » Two weeks 14 14 days. >> So you're basically looking at September 709 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:37,559 1st. >> Yeah. 14 calendar. 710 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,559 » You can get her done in 14. 711 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:45,599 » And then to elaborate on he says if you want to change orders, bring back in 712 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:49,680 then you come back talk to me. I get you on the council with your case of why we 713 00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:53,440 want to change our ordinance. I would highly suggest, you know, maybe 714 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:57,839 talk to vets and the different, you know, really do your homework on it. You 715 00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:02,800 know, what's a good number, why no roosters, uh, square footages on how, 716 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:07,440 you know, go in depth on that. Really present it. Bring some numbers with you. 717 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:11,680 If that's the case, you know, I love chicken. I mean, 718 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:18,240 » I don't find chicken. >> I just don't want them in my backyard. 719 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,800 Problem is, but you know what I mean. Denny could be my neighbor. We got to 720 00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:25,040 respect each other. So we got to we got to represent the whole community. I love 721 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:28,240 chicken but you know. So that's why I said that would be actually potentially 722 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:32,000 potentially I'm not promising anything you could potentially change or 723 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,800 potentially couldn't want to hear a lot more of the fine 724 00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:39,760 details if you do bring that forward that point. It's going to take some time 725 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,760 to move forward if they make that motion today 726 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:51,480 or anything that 727 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,480 Just so you understand that process. 728 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,960 » Anybody else have anything? If not, I'll take the motion as we 729 00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:04,880 » make the motion we uphold the notice for abatement and allow till September 1st 730 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:09,920 for completion of that >> placement of chicken. 731 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:14,160 » Is there a second? >> Second. 732 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,000 » Any other discussion? Roll call vote, please. 733 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,119 Cassie, >> yes. 734 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,160 » Hamilton, >> yes. 735 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,160 » Jones, >> yes. 736 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:31,839 » Yes. >> So, do you guys understand that? 737 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:35,200 » Okay. September 1st, right? >> Or just on September 1st, [snorts] they 738 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,680 better be out of there. >> Okay. That's what I'm trying to say. End 739 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:43,680 of day or >> I was going to ask like like say next 740 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:48,400 weekend or something we get them out is call call down have them swing out by 741 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:52,640 the house. Yep. The cages, everything's gone, chickens are gone, and then we're 742 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:57,280 in the clear. You know, >> I don't want to wait till the last day 743 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,359 and then you guys come out and >> we don't want to 744 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,800 » We don't want to take them away. >> My other question, what if it's a 745 00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:05,839 situation like we got the chickens moved, it's a matter of time trying to 746 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,839 get the rest of the stuff moved up. It's like having the items itself is an 747 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,960 issue. >> Livestock is the most important. 748 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,040 » The livestock has to be the 21st year. Bman also has to be whatever else 749 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,000 So in your bait also has to be held up and taken care of as well. 750 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,200 » So you're saying the chickens, the chicken coupe and the chicken run 751 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:28,720 everything that we >> I have no problem with the chicken. I 752 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,559 don't think anybody else does either. >> That building is fine. The chickens are 753 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,599 okay to have. >> It was just that nesting livestock that 754 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:42,400 we had for >> you can have that structure. 755 00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:45,839 » Okay. If you have any questions, just I do 756 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:48,960 appreciate your open communication. Just give us a call. Reach out to Josh. We 757 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,000 want to work with folks too. If you have questions, [snorts] reach out. Let us 758 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,280 know. You know, I appreciate having the last minute. 759 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:59,533 » We appreciate your present. 760 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,839 » Honestly, we had chicken for so long. [snorts] 761 00:56:00,188 --> 00:56:06,440 [laughter] >> We were waiting that for that many 762 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,440 years. 763 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:15,200 » We were very about it too. That being said, we will definitely 764 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:22,880 within the time frame have our our taken care of and then that being said, we 765 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,119 will be coming in selecting a time and trying to 766 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:40,880 » perfect. Thank you very much for being >> all right. Next one on the agenda is 767 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,760 Uh, you got to change the date. >> Oh, man. 768 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:49,440 » So, I assume that's for Labor Day weekend. 769 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:51,599 » Who wants to change that date? >> What do we usually do the following 770 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:54,640 week? Maybe. >> Oh, Wednesday. 771 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:58,480 » Wednesday. >> That is kind of our go-to is the 772 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,040 » Yeah, which is always it it helps me because like I can go to the one on 773 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,640 Tuesday night and then go to you guys on Wednesday night. I will be electronic. I 774 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,319 mean, I'll be remote for that by the way, but 775 00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,240 » I'd rather not do Wednesday. I've got two other meetings that night. 776 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,880 » Okay. >> So, we'd be talking 777 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,839 » an excuse to miss this one. >> Yeah, it's totally 778 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:23,839 » Can we wait that long to pay those? >> Well, the seventh was the original. 779 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,480 » So, originally on the seventh. >> Oh, I was looking at the wrong day. I 780 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,040 see what you're saying. >> Whether or not you want to move it to 781 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,280 the eth, right? Tuesday is the eth. Is that what you're saying? 782 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,680 » Tuesday be the 8th. Wednesday is what they said the us 783 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:42,319 Thursday >> I will be gone that week. 784 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:47,359 » Not good. >> I'm sorry you took me off my schedule. I 785 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,920 was going to need you probably. >> So is there a risk for no quorum that 786 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:52,960 week? >> That's what I that's why I spoke up. I 787 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,640 didn't know if we'd have a problem with quorum. 788 00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:58,960 » Are you are you gone the week of Labor Day as well? 789 00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:05,200 » No. I could be here on the 8th uh the 9th. to be really bad for me. 790 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,040 » So, Denny and Andrew, are you two here that week? 791 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,280 » As far as I know, >> no, the ninth would be okay. The night 792 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:14,960 would be all right. >> Second. 793 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,040 » You're out of town, you said. >> Yes, I am. Sorry. 794 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,000 » The ninth I think would be okay >> for me. 795 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,680 » September. >> I don't have a life. 796 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:32,240 Nobody else. >> I usually don't. I'd uh I'd include in 797 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:37,200 the motion to move to the say the 9th that since it's in the middle of the 798 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:42,799 month, we skip normal the regular meeting on the 15th. 799 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:46,559 » Can't we pay bills? >> We could pay them on the 9th. 800 00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:49,839 » That's a whole another discussion for another time. 801 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,799 » One meeting a month in the first place. Do 802 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:58,119 » you want to keep it at seven or seven? Seven. Okay. Council meeting at 803 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,119 seven. 804 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:04,200 on September 9th. Anybody have any other discussion? 805 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,240 Okay. >> Why don't we just move it to the 14th? 806 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,000 It's only It's one >> You got to pay bills. 807 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,680 » Five days. >> Well, you're paying You're [snorts] 808 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:27,680 paying the bills on the 14th, right? >> You get paid to go to two meetings a 809 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:33,359 month. Did you read your contract? >> No, [laughter] I didn't. 810 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:36,079 » You should catch that little >> I get [laughter] paid so much. 811 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:41,440 » We should be good with You're going to get an induction paycheck. Well, I would 812 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:45,440 gladly give it >> a motion September 9th at 7 o'clock. 813 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:48,559 » Second motion to second. Any other discussion? 814 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:53,200 » Roll call vote, please. >> Jones, 815 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,480 » no. >> Yes. 816 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:55,839 » Bell, >> yes. 817 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,000 » Hamilton, >> yes. 818 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,720 » Motion carried. >> Next on the agenda is 819 01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:07,799 » adjourned. Is there a motion? Is there a motion? Is there a second? 820 01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,799 » Yes. I'll second. 821 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,680 » All in favor say I. >> I. 822 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,160 » Thank you all. >> Thank you guys. 823 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,760 » I don't get it. Must get paid. He doesn't want to do the work.