1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,640 This is Greg Wolf. So, I'm going to call our August meeting to order. Can you 2 00:00:05,279 --> 00:00:08,880 call the role, please? >> Yes. Rod Richardson 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,880 » here. >> Kevin Hogan 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,839 » here. >> Brad Miller's absent. Lindsey Grace is 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,520 absent. Fred Starret >> here. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,119 » Steve McGank >> here. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,640 » Tim Oric >> here. 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,240 » Craig Connell >> here. 9 00:00:21,119 --> 00:00:23,680 » Andrew Logan >> here. 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,519 » Jeff Huff >> here. 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,519 » And Gregory Wolf >> here. 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,480 » Thank you. We do have a quorum. >> The quick logistics. if you could make 13 00:00:29,119 --> 00:00:34,160 sure you turn on the little microphone in front of you. If it's got a red, uh, 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:41,280 it's going to it's off. If it's green, it's you push the little button. 15 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:46,000 Uh, okay. So, we've got a quorum. Do we need to say something to start 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,000 this process? Your little disclaimer. >> I will read my statement. 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,840 » Thank you. >> This meeting is now being recorded in 18 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:55,520 the administration building with planning commission members attending in 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:59,760 person. There's also an option for virtual attendance on Zoom webinar. For 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Zoom participants wishing to speak, please use the raise hand function in 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,280 the Zoom app at the start of the agenda item when you which you desire to 22 00:01:05,119 --> 00:01:12,000 comment. Comments will be received from in-person attendees first, followed by 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Zoom participants. Uh please state your name and the community where you reside 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,520 for the record, followed by your comments. All public speakers will be 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:23,960 limited to 2 minutes. If you have trouble with Zoom, please call 26 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,960 911371596666. 27 00:01:24,495 --> 00:01:30,640 [clears throat] Uh board members, staff, and presenters, please state your name 28 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:34,799 every time you begin talking and please speak into the microphone. Um this is a 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,600 public meeting. We are presenting live and recording the meeting. Thank you. 30 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:45,439 » Excellent. Uh there doesn't appear anybody be here from the public uh in 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:49,280 person. Is there anybody online? >> Uh no. 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,600 » All right. No public comment tonight. Do any uh members of the commission have a 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:58,320 disclosure of a conflict of interest or exparte communication they need to 34 00:01:55,439 --> 00:02:02,320 disclose? >> Hearing [clears throat] none. Moving on. 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Does any member of the commission have an agenda addition or deletion? 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:13,760 Hearing none. Moving on. I will entertain a motion to approve our 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:19,360 minutes from our July meeting. Does anyone want to make that motion? 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:23,840 » Mr. Chairman Rod Richardson. So moved. >> Fair enough. 39 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:28,480 » Oh, got it. >> So, Mr. Richardson and Mr. Hoff have 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,599 moved. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please raise your 41 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:37,440 hand. Motion carries. 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:43,360 All right. Zoning regulation update module two. Who's pres presenting to us? 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:48,319 » Uh, good evening, uh, commissioners. This is Sean Pendley, County Planning 44 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Staff. I will begin uh the update for this item and then I will turn it over 45 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,840 to our consultant, Jenny Baker with Clarion Associates. She's joining us on 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,560 Zoom this evening, but I wanted to just give a quick update where we are with 47 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:03,760 this uh process. If you recall, we have had a couple of presentations to the 48 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:09,760 planning commission regarding this update for our zoning and subdivision 49 00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:14,720 regulations update. Uh we have also had various stakeholder meetings, public uh 50 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:20,640 information meetings. In fact, we had two meetings just last week. Uh one was 51 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:26,080 in uh New Century um Fieldhouse and Gardener New Century and then one was at 52 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:30,159 Stillwell and we had uh quite a few members of the public attend those 53 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:33,120 meetings. We provided it was an open open house meetings. We provided 54 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:37,120 information regarding the updates specifically regarding module two. And 55 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:40,400 what module two includes are the development standards and minimum 56 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:45,440 infrastructure requirements and subdivision regulations. We'll get into 57 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:49,680 part two of that this evening. Um Jenny will be uh describing the the second 58 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:52,879 part. If you recall back in May, we had an update for the first part of module 59 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,799 two with the development standards. So what we'll be focusing on tonight is the 60 00:03:54,799 --> 00:04:02,239 second part of that uh for minimum infrastructure and subdivision design. 61 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:05,280 We are uh about twothirds of the way through. There are three modules. We 62 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,599 have the the third module will be procedures and permitting. And so we 63 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:14,159 anticipate bringing that module and those draft regulations to you in 64 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:18,560 September for review and any uh questions and comments. Uh this evening 65 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,720 after we do our presentation, certainly feel free to ask any questions. We'll 66 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:27,120 provide a quick update as far as next steps and when we anticipate getting 67 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:32,639 into the public hearings uh later this fall and hopefully adoption uh if not 68 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:36,880 the end of this year, beginning of 2027. So, with that, I'll turn it over to 69 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Jenny and she can walk through the presentation and then we can circle back 70 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,400 with any uh [clears throat] questions and comments. 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:49,199 » All right, great. Thanks, Sean. Can all of you hear me? Okay, someone make make 72 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:54,080 some indication if you can actually hear what Okay, I'm going to take that as 73 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,840 yes. Thank you. Okay, so I will share a presentation. Uh 74 00:04:55,919 --> 00:05:01,199 » here's one question for a minute, Jenny. We do have one question. 75 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:05,360 » Small to large. Um, yeah, I think she's sharing the screen and so if we get once 76 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:09,360 we're [clears throat] once she's able to share the screen, you should be able to 77 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:13,360 see the presentation. So, >> how is how is that? I can see on your 78 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,880 screen. It's >> you got it on that screen right there 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,880 closer. >> Yeah, 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,720 » there you go. >> There we go. 81 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:30,320 » There you go. >> It might just be a little slow, so I'll 82 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:35,120 talk slowly. How is that? Um, fortunately Sean has covered a couple of 83 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:39,919 the items that are in here, but let me tell you all good evening. Glad to be 84 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:45,680 back talking to you. Um, here's the agenda for what we want to tell you this 85 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:50,080 evening. Quick project update. That is mostly what Sean went over. I will tell 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:54,400 you a little bit about the new content that's in module 2. Those are the 87 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:58,720 minimum infrastructure standards along with subdivision design. And then we'll 88 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:03,039 talk about the next steps. That's again something that Sean just told you about. 89 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:07,680 Um, I can't see you all when I'm presenting. So, if you want to jump in, 90 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:12,319 if you have any questions, please somebody speak up or raise your hand and 91 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:17,759 I'll be happy to stop. This is a reminder of the project goals 92 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:23,680 overall. You've seen them before, most recently in May when I came to talk to 93 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:29,440 you all. The thing that this part of module 2 emphasizes in particular is the 94 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:35,440 creation of modern regulations tied to infrastructure capacity. So we'll be 95 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:40,960 talking about that tonight. This is a quick timeline. Um we are 96 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:46,479 still in phase three. It's changed a little bit since we talked to you back 97 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:50,000 in May. Um things extend. Sometimes it takes a little bit longer to make sure 98 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,600 we get the regulations right, going back and forth with staff, back and forth 99 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:58,800 with you all. And I'll tell you about some other meetings we've had with other 100 00:06:56,479 --> 00:07:03,520 departments. Um, and then we'll also be getting feedback from community members 101 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:08,000 because this is posted for general feedback. Tell you about that too. 102 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:12,479 Anyway, we are in phase three, which we anticipate will continue through 103 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:16,880 October, and then the full draft of all of the installments will be available, 104 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,919 and we will once again have another round of review and comment and 105 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:25,840 potential changes. So, we're always showing you a draft until the very last 106 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:31,440 time that we bring it to you for adoption. Up until that time, we can 107 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:36,080 discuss changes and revisions, but this is what we think the current standards 108 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,080 should be at this time pending further feedback. 109 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Last time we talked to you, we talked about off- streetet parking, landscaping 110 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:50,960 and screening, fences and walls, exterior lighting and signs. This time 111 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,639 we're going to focus on what is highlighted in yellow and those are the 112 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:58,680 minimum infrastructure standards and also subdivision design. 113 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:06,000 So why are why is is infrastructure important? Why are we talking about 114 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:11,280 this? Why is it in the regulations? The main thing about this is the presence or 115 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:15,919 absence of infrastructure is especially important in rural contexts because 116 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:20,639 whether it is there or not is the prime determinant of what intensity of 117 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:26,639 development can be supported in a given location. So in the more rural areas of 118 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:32,159 the county where you do not have, you know, municipal sewer, water, um, and 119 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:37,200 other municipal services, obviously you don't want dense development. And so 120 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:42,800 that infrastructure is a really important determinant of whether um a a 121 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,800 piece of land can support a certain extent of development. The other thing 122 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:51,279 about minimum infrastructure is that planning administers these standards but 123 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:58,480 they do impact other county departments and outside agencies. So we are talking 124 00:08:54,959 --> 00:09:04,399 about things that impact engineering such as road standards um public works 125 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:10,000 also dealing with road classifications and standards and then infrastructure 126 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:16,240 also includes water wastewater storm water management and fire. So, those are 127 00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:20,320 other agencies that the county staff collaborate with in in making sure that 128 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:24,720 potential developments meet the requirements and they're in this code, 129 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,720 but they are not exactly planning standards because they impact other 130 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:32,399 departments. We are hesitant to make extensive changes. And if you're 131 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:36,640 familiar with the standards now, you will understand that we haven't changed 132 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:42,000 a lot of things. We have mainly focused on cleanup, reorganization, 133 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:46,880 making things more accessible, putting them into a logical kind of hierarchy, 134 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:51,680 and just making them look a little better. But we haven't really gone in 135 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:56,720 and changed the substance of the standards too much. 136 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:03,200 There is a table that's in the regulations right now and we have kind 137 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,519 of recreated it to I hope be a little more straightforward and accessible. 138 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,839 Here is a snapshot of that table. What it is showing is the different 139 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:18,320 infrastructure types that have to be provided for development in each of the 140 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:24,000 zoning districts. It covers uh proximity to fire stations. It covers roads 141 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:29,839 according to different categories and those categories talk about the the road 142 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:35,279 standards. So how wide does a road have to be? How many cars is it intended to 143 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:37,680 serve? Is it paved or is it not paved? Those [clears throat] are the things 144 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:43,360 that these different categories are dealing with. Um then it also talks 145 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:47,760 about storm drainage, wastewater disposal. The other things that didn't 146 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:53,440 really fit on the screen but are part of this table are um proximity to schools 147 00:10:51,120 --> 00:11:00,000 and that may or may not be included in the final drafts. It also deals with 148 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:06,480 parks whether there is a need to provide a park parkland or a fee in lie of 149 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:10,720 parkland with a new subdivision. So as you can see we've reorganized and 150 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:16,000 reformatted the information. One change that we did make was the current 151 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:22,720 standards include something that is termed a highly recommended factor. So 152 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:27,279 there are requirements and there are highly recommended factors and then 153 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:31,760 recommended factors. Essentially staff have said that the highly recommended 154 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:35,680 factors are required. So we did away with that. If it's required, it's 155 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:40,240 required. There isn't really a recommendation to it. So you do it or 156 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:44,399 you don't. If you can't do it with your development, there is always the 157 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,320 possibility for flexibility that is offered through a waiver request that 158 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:53,519 isn't any different from what you see right now. So that's how this is 159 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:57,680 structured. It covers the same things that the current regulations do with 160 00:11:55,839 --> 00:12:03,760 that minor exception about highly recommended factors and the possibility 161 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:09,760 that there may be some other changes. So before we finalized this version of the 162 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:15,600 document, we had some meetings with the people who have some interest in these 163 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:19,600 standards. So public works, engineering, fire department, water, and some other 164 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:25,120 departments. there are likely to be some adjustments 165 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:28,560 on account of their review and some of their comments came back recently enough 166 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,880 that they're not reflected in this draft, but I think we'll do some further 167 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:38,639 updates obviously to reflect what they requested be 168 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:44,480 included. Um, one of those things is the possibility for a requirement to connect 169 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:50,639 to water and sewer in a new subdivision when it's within a certain proximity. 170 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:56,959 So, if a boundary line of a proposed subdivision is within 1,000 ft of an 171 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:02,800 existing water or sewer line, there will be a requirement to connect. And that's 172 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:07,839 very common. The the distance proximity varies depending on the context. But the 173 00:13:06,079 --> 00:13:12,480 fact that there is that requirement to connect when those services are 174 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:16,959 available is something that we see in in most development codes that we deal 175 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:23,279 with. We may take out the proximity to schools, not because it isn't important, 176 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:28,880 but because there's probably not really a lot of places or areas in the county 177 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:34,160 that are inaccessible to current or potential future schools. So, it's 178 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:38,720 somewhat less important to specify that a new development has to be within five 179 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:43,120 road miles, 10 road miles, whatever the case may be. There are buses, we can get 180 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,800 kids there, right? So, it's maybe not necessary to have that in there as a 181 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:50,639 requirement. [clears throat] Um, the other thing that I think you 182 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:55,120 might see is particularly with the road standards 183 00:13:52,240 --> 00:14:01,199 right now there's a lot of repetition in them. So, some of the things that apply 184 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:07,199 to category 1 2 3 are the same. You can't have direct access direct access 185 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:11,839 from a residential lot regardless of the zoning district onto a state highway. 186 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,279 that's repeated over and over, but I think these could be reorganized a 187 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:19,120 little bit to reduce that repetition and just say it once. If you're in a 188 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,360 residential lot, you can't do this instead of saying it over and over. So, 189 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:27,279 we'll see about that. Um, that again, not a substantial change. It's just 190 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:31,880 something that we think about to make this code a little easier to navigate. 191 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,360 The other thing I wanted to talk to you about tonight is subdivision design. 192 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:44,000 Here again, we haven't made very substantial changes, but there have been 193 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:49,040 some things that we thought about to make it a little clearer, more 194 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:53,360 straightforward, easier to use. The current regulations, if you are familiar 195 00:14:50,800 --> 00:15:01,040 with them, divide subdivision standards over, I think, seven chapters. So, 196 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:05,519 chapter 25 to 31. Um, and things are kind of all mixed together. So the the 197 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:10,720 standards that you have to build to are kind of intermixed with the procedures 198 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:16,079 and we have kind of separated those things apart. So anything that has to do 199 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:21,600 with the design is what is included in this draft. Procedural information you 200 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:28,639 are going to see as Sean mentioned in September and that applies to the entire 201 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:32,800 code. The standards are one section, various chapters, and then anything that 202 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:37,279 you want to know about procedures will be in that one section that you will see 203 00:15:35,199 --> 00:15:42,639 next month. Um, again, changes are not extensive. We 204 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,880 did take out some information that was in there that was really technical. 205 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:51,680 There was um some things about the design of roads and tangents versus 206 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:57,440 straight stretches. That's not really within the domain of planning. um it is 207 00:15:54,880 --> 00:16:01,600 important but it's kind of more technical than zoning regulations 208 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:06,480 typically get into that's covered in road standards, public work standards 209 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:12,160 and engineering rather than planning. So we made some changes like that. The 210 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:17,040 other thing that this does is focuses on connectivity within subdivisions and 211 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:21,199 between them. So, I know that you all have had some instances where adjacent 212 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:24,160 subdivisions are developing and they didn't want to make those road 213 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:29,279 connections that would lead from one development into the other. That is 214 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:34,959 increasingly important for a number of reasons. General connectivity standards, 215 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:40,399 right? Great. But it's also important when you are seeing developments that 216 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:47,040 have only one way in or out. Um, when you have any kind of disaster, whether 217 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:53,040 it's a fire, a flood, a tornado, where a road is blocked, any of those kind of 218 00:16:49,360 --> 00:17:00,160 things in in circumstances where there's a single way in and out can kind of 219 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:05,520 increase the destruction, the loss of life if you don't have more than one 220 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:11,280 connection. So, it's important to connect roads just for everyday travel, 221 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:17,039 but also to kind of recognize that emergency services needs to have ways to 222 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:22,480 get in and out of places. Um, so that's kind of connection within development. 223 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:27,120 We have also included a block length standard. So, this basically says that 224 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:31,760 you will have an intersection every so often and not just these really long 225 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:38,400 stretches of road with no breaks in them. Right now it's 1,320 226 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:42,799 ft where you need to have some kind of break in a block. Um it's 227 00:17:41,112 --> 00:17:49,440 [clears throat] a quarter mile. It's an easy walking distance. And that also is 228 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:56,960 pretty common in rural um rural contexts. As you get more urban, you see 229 00:17:52,320 --> 00:18:01,280 that number go down to 600 and then 250. But for the sort of development you see 230 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:06,760 in the county, I think those quarter mile connections are probably pretty 231 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,760 good. 232 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:14,880 So those are that is the substance of the content that we didn't talk to you 233 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:21,360 about last time. That's what's new in the drafts. What is also available is 234 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:26,160 the full draft. So if you want, and we would love it if you do, you can go see 235 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:30,799 the whole thing. So, not just what we talked about tonight or what I talked 236 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:35,360 about so far, um, but also what we talked about the last time. So, 237 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:41,039 landscaping standards, parking requirements, buffering between 238 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,960 developments of different intensities, fences and walls, there were some 239 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:49,440 changes there, new standards for exterior lighting, and significant 240 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:53,760 updates to the sign standards. That's what we talked about in May, but all of 241 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:58,080 that is available for you to review and comment on. You can go to either of 242 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:04,720 these two websites. Conveo is is basically designed to allow 243 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:09,039 the public to comment on these kind of documents. 244 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:14,480 It's I think it's fairly intuitive, but I think that depends on the user. If you 245 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:19,200 go to the site, it does require you to register um and then you can leave 246 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:25,840 comments. The reason that it's set up that way is because the county wanted to 247 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:30,000 not have people be able to see one another's comments. And if you just let 248 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:34,640 anybody come to the site and make a comment, everyone can see what everybody 249 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:39,840 else says. So, there is a registration requirement. It's a pretty low bar. Um, 250 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:44,960 it's just tell us your name and your email and then you can go in and make 251 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,720 your comments. um on the county's website, you will be able to see a PDF 252 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,640 on the of the document. I don't think you're able to leave comments on it from 253 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:57,120 there, but that's probably an easier place to go to if you just want to print 254 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:02,480 a copy and read it that way. We did hear from um somebody that they had trouble 255 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,880 when they went to Conveyo, which is the Commentable site, that they had trouble 256 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:12,400 figuring out how to print a copy because they wanted to read it on paper rather 257 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:16,559 than online. So, please take a look at the full draft on either of these 258 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:20,880 locations. It would be especially important to hear from you all as 259 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,559 decision makers in the comments whether you think it's going the right 260 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:29,600 direction, if you have any issues with the standards or if you like the 261 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:33,679 changes. Last thing is what will happen after 262 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:37,360 this. I am happy to entertain your comments and questions this evening. You 263 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:42,799 may not have a lot of them before you've had a chance to review it, but anything 264 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:49,520 I can try to answer, I'll be glad to. Um, Sean mentioned module three coming 265 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:54,960 in September. That is the staff, excuse me, staff review procedures for 266 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:59,600 development. The staff the staff review for development review procedures. Um, 267 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,520 the last thing will be all of these sections will be put together. you'll be 268 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:09,840 able to see the whole thing start to finish and that will be able will be 269 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:14,640 available in um October. We call it the consolidated draft once again chance for 270 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:20,080 public review. We'll do more public outreach and accept comments. Then we'll 271 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:25,840 get into the adoption as Sean mentioned towards the end of the year. Um I have 272 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:30,000 it listed here as November to January. maybe a little bit subject to change, 273 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:34,080 but that's the general timing of what we're looking at at this point. 274 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,120 And that is what I wanted to tell you about this evening. Thanks for 275 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:43,440 listening. Please tell me if you have comments. I'm going to stop sharing this 276 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:48,159 and I'd be happy to answer what I can. >> Thank you. This is Greg Wolf. Uh, do any 277 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:52,559 of the commissioners have any comments or questions for Jenny? 278 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,880 » Yeah, this is Greg Connell. I have one com just a comment. I have entered 279 00:21:54,799 --> 00:22:01,919 comments in for both module one and module two and conveo and I thought it 280 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:06,400 was pretty intuitive. So convey on the board here wants to put comments in. 281 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:10,159 It's not that difficult. >> I'd like to tell you that Sean Pendley 282 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:15,360 can't wait to answer your questions about how conveo works or respond to 283 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:19,760 your emails. >> And I can't see his face so I can say 284 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:25,440 that with with impunity. >> Certainly. Uh yeah, thanks Jenny. Uh yes 285 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:29,039 uh Craig those are yeah good comment we yeah I appreciate you and I know some of 286 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:34,640 the other advisory committee members have added comments in conveyo and I 287 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:38,640 will acknowledge some of the changes and some of the comments we've received we 288 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:42,720 haven't had a chance to make all updates uh some we have we're working through 289 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:46,240 them same with some of our stakeholders in different departments um like I think 290 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:49,520 Jenny mentioned you know we have some of our departments like public works they 291 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:53,600 had some extensive comments so we're working through those we need to have to 292 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:57,520 have a discussion internally with those departments, but then also as staff how 293 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:02,640 we respond to some of those comments. But we absolutely look through 294 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:07,679 everything. We we're we're um collecting all of these uh comments and kind of um 295 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,960 processing through all of them to see what is updated. But yeah, that's that's 296 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:15,760 good to know that you were able to get in and add comments in Cameo. And yeah, 297 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:19,679 we absolutely encourage all of you to review it. if there's something specific 298 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:25,520 they have questions about, check that and add their comments or you can always 299 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:29,360 contact staff directly with any specific comments. And we'll um as Jenny 300 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,200 mentioned also, we'll be bringing back before you the consolidated draft, which 301 00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:37,440 would be an opportunity again to look at it. We'll do one more full review before 302 00:23:36,126 --> 00:23:42,320 [clears throat] we have an actual public hearing. We did hear from some of the 303 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:46,559 residents in our open house meetings. asked if they would have a chance to 304 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:50,080 speak on this and we said absolutely. There will be public hearings and so 305 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,200 we'll be posting those on the website when they're scheduled. But yeah, we 306 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:58,080 certainly look forward to any comments whether they be online or in direct 307 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:03,200 contact to staff. We're help happy to answer those either way. 308 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:09,360 » Other questions for Jenny. >> Mr. Chairman, Rod Richardson, either for 309 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:15,840 Jenny or for Sean. Um, I'm not clear on a couple of points. Uh, with reference 310 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:20,000 to sewers versus density, there's a 1,00 foot proximity 311 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:24,960 proposal that if, if I understood it correctly, if your development is within 312 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,440 1,000 foot of a available sanitary sewer, you have to connect to it. Is 313 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,400 that correct? >> Um, actually the 10,00 foot requirement 314 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:37,679 I believe is for water. Sewer has a specific requirement. Generally, um the 315 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Johnson County wastewater um staff has recommended when there's sanitary sewers 316 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:47,039 within 1,320 feet, which is basically a one quarter mile of a subject proposed 317 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,880 development, they would be required to connect. So that's what they would 318 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:56,000 consider to be available in the what they call like the near phase, whatever 319 00:24:53,120 --> 00:25:00,640 that is. Um if you're that close, generally you're required to either uh 320 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:06,480 connect with sanitary sewer or come up with another proposal or making uh sewer 321 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:13,039 available in the near future. We have had some developments recently come 322 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:17,120 through where uh the plat was within a close proximity of the sanitary sewer, 323 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,240 but it was not feasible to extend the line. So they were required to dedicate 324 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,600 required sewer easements to serve it when it was available. So there's 325 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,720 usually those requirements, but sewer is a little bit different than water, but 326 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:33,039 it's basically the same concept. If you're within a close proximity to 327 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:37,039 existing infrastructure, you're required to connect. If you're beyond that and 328 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:40,480 it's not feasible for connection, there's other usually um there's other 329 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,799 options. You have those other categories to choose from, whether it be septic, 330 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:49,760 let's say for sewer, or you know, if it's water, you might have other sources 331 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:53,039 of water to provide uh the water that would serve the development. 332 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:58,000 » Okay. I think you hit on what I was interested in is if if I have a 333 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:02,240 subdivision that's 900 ft from a sanitary sewer, the requirement would be 334 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,760 I would need to connect to that. But if that's on the other side of a piece of 335 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:11,039 land I don't own, how do I get to it? >> Yeah, that's a good question. That's 336 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:15,679 where we we would coordinate with Johnson County Wastewater to see what is 337 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:20,640 feasible, how can be done, timing. There's usually also opportunities for 338 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:26,080 contracts or agreements. they they're able to enter into agreements with uh 339 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:30,000 property owners to provide those extensions and they work with all the 340 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:34,000 property owners affected. Um we would have John County Wastewater weigh in on 341 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:38,240 the details of it, but generally if you're within a close distance that's 342 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:41,279 when what we want to make a applicant know is that hey if you're within a 343 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,799 close proximity you're you're going to be required to connect or work out an an 344 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,799 arrangement to have a connection in the future. So, just to clarify then, if you 345 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:54,720 do all of that and for some reason you just can't do it, then the guy that's 346 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,000 building the subdivision that despite everybody's best efforts, they can't 347 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,120 connect could would probably be required then to provide easements and a dry 348 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:04,640 sewer system. >> Correct. That's right. That's exactly 349 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,520 what we did with another uh recent development. And and there was a lot of 350 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,919 that question about dry sewer. That's another thing that Johnson County 351 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Wastewater has some very specific comments on. they don't necessarily want 352 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:18,080 dry sewers because that may also be a prohibitive uh option in the future 353 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:23,039 because that could be a maintenance issue. So there were other provisions 354 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,960 for example they had to provide uh for this one particular example they had to 355 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:31,760 dedicate the required easements for sewer and you know be willing they had 356 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,400 to sign some type of an affidavit stating you know that they would be 357 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:40,400 willing to participate in this sewer expansion when it was feasible. And 358 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,320 usually the provider will have to provide the 359 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:47,520 main. So Johns County Wastewater would actually install in but the developer 360 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:52,400 would be required to make all connections from the the main. 361 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:58,000 » Gotcha. Okay. And then the last part of my question goes to connecting to the 362 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,760 next subdivision over uh about goes to the terminated street and how do we 363 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,840 connect so that all these things connect up with as Jenny said fire protection 364 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,399 that sort of thing. And there was a 1,320 365 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:15,200 feet, if I understood it correctly, of another subdivision. I'm not sure I 366 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,960 understand. I just maybe you could clarify exactly how that works because I 367 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:22,159 had kind of the same question of what if you what if there's a piece of land 368 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,880 between you and the other subdivision you don't own. 369 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:30,159 » Yeah, >> I J if Jay, do you have thoughts on 370 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:34,960 that? I have some thoughts, but >> I do, but you can go first if you want. 371 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:37,440 Yeah, it so we looked up that Michelle and I were just looking that up I think 372 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,000 while while Jenn was doing the presentation. This is very consistent 373 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,640 with what we have today. The intent of this requirement is for connectivity 374 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:51,120 with adjacent subdivisions. We would only require an actual connection from 375 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,120 another development when you're actually adjacent to an existing development 376 00:28:53,149 --> 00:29:00,559 [clears throat] with a street sub. the the three 1,320 foot block length 377 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:05,919 requirement I think is gear getting more at um is preventing long culde-sacs 378 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:11,120 where we want to have street intersections and not just one extensive 379 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:14,559 long 2,000 3,000 foot culde-sac we want to have street intersections set up even 380 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,039 if you aren't able to provide a connection to an an adjacent property 381 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:24,080 the point is we want to create street connections or availability for future 382 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,159 street connections and not just build super long culde-sacs, 383 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,120 » right? >> Is that is that getting at the point, 384 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:36,000 Jenny? >> Yeah, I I the only thing I would have 385 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:40,640 added is that that distance of 1320 is really for the streets within a 386 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:44,720 subdivision. Um just to keep, you know, if you have 50 acres, you you probably 387 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,240 could build a street that goes, you know, one end to the other and just 388 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:52,880 have, you know, access to the houses off of it. But it's designed to have some of 389 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,520 some of the connectivity within the subdivision to make it easier to get 390 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:01,039 around the connections between in the instance you cited. What if I am 391 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:06,000 building something and there's a vacant parcel in between? You would only be 392 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:10,000 required to kind of do a stubout and then in the future when that vacant 393 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:15,679 parcel develops, that's when that connection would be made. Um so it it's 394 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:23,039 you know the the draft includes specifications for what those stubouts 395 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:26,720 can be. Um and then I think that also is somewhat negotiable. You know people 396 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,440 will come to you and say that you know there's something some impassible 397 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,799 topographical thing. I can't do it. There's no sense in keeping this stub 398 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,880 out because it's always going to be a dead end. That's always something that 399 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:43,440 can be considered with actual land conditions. But um yeah, that's how that 400 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,200 would happen. If I am building something, there's a vacant parcel, so 401 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,039 there's really nothing to to connect to at this time. 402 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:56,240 » Yeah, that was a good point. And I'll just add to that that um thanks Jenny. 403 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,600 That is a good point about the impassible objects. If you've got flood 404 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,159 plane, we actually had that in another recent subdivision where 405 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:08,640 some of the zone remembers where there's a flood plane or a creek, you're not 406 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,919 that's not feasible to build a street stub. So there in that instance you 407 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,840 wouldn't need to provide the connection you could make a culde-sac there and so 408 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:20,320 we work around those natural topographical challenges and yeah 409 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:24,480 there's options but the key is where it is feasible you should provide that 410 00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:28,399 connectivity for even for future development 411 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:33,760 » and my I think my last question for now anyone has to do with road capacity um 412 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,399 the comment was made that a lot of these regulations are based on development 413 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:45,440 versus capacity and I'm presuming that capacity could be sewers, water or road 414 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:50,159 capacity. Um would this is the sense that a developer whether it's 415 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:53,360 industrial, commercial or whatever is going to build something of any 416 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:58,559 substance they would be required to get a traffic study done to make sure the 417 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:03,279 the arterials or the other roads are connecting up with have reasonable 418 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:07,519 capacity to handle that. I mean that's pretty standard now but 419 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:12,559 » yes it is. And yeah absolutely that that's required and that may be covered 420 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:17,840 in module three I don't recall but specific study requirements absolutely 421 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:24,240 that will continue and yes generally when it's um there's any question about 422 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,600 trip you know the num increases in trips number capacity for roads those are 423 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,080 going to be required with any new subdivision. Yes, we'll continue to 424 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:37,200 require traffic impact studies and uh and they will have to meet the minimum 425 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:42,240 infrastructure requirements and any other specific requirements for say 426 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,600 example for turnlands. There was a recent development we have for a church 427 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:51,760 expansion and they were required to build a turnland on an existing arterial 428 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:55,519 road to meet the demand for the future expansion of this church. That that will 429 00:32:53,679 --> 00:33:00,240 continue and that will be required with all applications for new development. 430 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:04,080 Okay, great. Um, and I'll end it with this. Are you getting comment because 431 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:08,240 obviously these long streets, you'll recall, can always be a concern of the 432 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,640 fire department, particularly if there's one access in and one access out. So, 433 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:16,159 are you getting comments or will you get comments from the fire service about 434 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:22,320 what's what they're interested in? >> Absolutely. Every application we get for 435 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:26,640 check with the fire comments and any new development would 436 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:30,159 have to meet not only our subdivision regulations but also fire code 437 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,440 requirements and we work hand inand with that and we always reference a lot of 438 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,200 our regulations. We have that reference to other adopted standards such as fire 439 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,720 and building codes. That's that's correct. 440 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:45,679 » Thank you. This may be a procedural question, but does Johns County 441 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Wastewater enforce their own connection standards or are they looking to us to 442 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:59,360 layer that on top of an application that goes to our [clears throat] 443 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,559 our other board? >> Yeah, that's a good question. So you're 444 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:07,360 asking basically does Johnson County Wastewater enforce 445 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:12,879 » again that connectivity standard or is that a checkbox to you guys as an 446 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:18,560 application comes through? I mean I assume you're connecting to public works 447 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,960 fire I mean who all do you routinely connect to? 448 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,639 » Yeah. Yeah. For so who all is a part of our review? Yeah. Are we absolutely 449 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:31,839 » typically though is John County wastewater separate? In other words, can 450 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,280 can they deny a permit to >> Oh, no. Do they have the authority to 451 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:40,240 review? No, I don't think they have an uh review authority for the application, 452 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:45,200 but we absolutely do include wastewater water one, all the water districts for 453 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:49,760 any new applications. We send out all these proposed applications, we ask for 454 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:53,679 their comments. Absolutely. Then it we work hand inand so all the different 455 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:58,000 utility providers, we absolutely work with them to see, hey, what do you want? 456 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,760 Does JCW have we'll ask specifically, do you have comments on this? And we 457 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:07,119 include it in our review. And then they would request as part of that approval 458 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,800 that we would include a stipulation when it's needed. I don't know if they work 459 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,160 much directly with individual property owners except for maybe like building 460 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:19,839 permits. They might have to work independently on individual. I I would 461 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:24,880 assume if like wastewater or water one were making them connect and there were 462 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:30,000 easements needed between a development and access, those 463 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,480 entities could exercise their condemnation power to get those 464 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,760 easements if they're going to require them. 465 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,920 » Absolutely. They could work independently in that respect for 466 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:43,040 acquisition or rideway uria easements. They they absolutely do make, you know, 467 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:47,119 they they coordinate all the time with individual property owners on anything, 468 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,520 whether they're doing an a sewer main extension or if they anticipate because 469 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,960 of a contract that they're working out with one owner, they need to talk the 470 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,400 other. They they do have have that ability and and work all of the time 471 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,240 with individual owner. I don't know what their authority is though in terms of 472 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,040 like subdivision review. They just they just provide us the comments and we 473 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,839 include their stipulations for whatever they want. 474 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,839 » Okay. >> Yeah. So ultimately that permitting is 475 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:15,359 through county >> not separately through a separate 476 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,119 permitting process a developer would have to go to 477 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,280 » right >> for water one or for 478 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,200 » only if they're like petitioning I think like when they're petitioning for like a 479 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:29,839 sewer main extension they do a separate petition process or when when they 480 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:35,040 enlarge their sewer uh district they do that but yes when when we're talking 481 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,320 about subdivision regulations for new subdivisions 482 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,680 the county and and board of county commission has the ultimate authority to 483 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,320 approve it, but we incorporate any of their recommended stipulations as part 484 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,400 of that approval. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you. 485 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:53,040 » This is great. Kyle Tim, just to clarify, um, wastewater does have their 486 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:58,160 own permits to do things separate from a building, 487 00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:03,680 » right? But they're not but they're not imposing these kind of mandates 488 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:10,880 » thousand feet away. In other words, if you come within 1320 feet of my line, 489 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:14,320 you have to connect. Is that >> Yeah, we it we like I said, we work hand 490 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,839 in hand. So, they would send us a comment. So, as far as the stipulation 491 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:21,359 goes on a plat, it's included, but you're right. They then before they 492 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:26,960 actually install the line, there's a permit needed for any private lines on 493 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,400 uh you know, the private property or those those uh what do they call them? 494 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:35,040 Like the the service lines or whatever extending. There is a separate permit 495 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:40,960 for that. That's correct. But but the >> and and water one would have its own and 496 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:45,680 seven and everybody else. Right. >> Jeff Jeff Huff. Um [clears throat] 497 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:51,200 » first of all really appreciate all the work that goes into the clarity and you 498 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:56,720 know conciseness easy to understand um practical side of it. I worked at FedEx 499 00:37:53,119 --> 00:38:01,280 for about 17 years and having arterial and being able to get in, get out, get 500 00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:06,880 to different parts of the subdivision, I think that's key. So, I appreciate that 501 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:11,280 aspect on that side. One things that not necessarily here, but I want to continue 502 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:17,760 to to bring it up is that, you know, I've heard from different builders and 503 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:22,480 um developers and that that final connection to, you know, public 504 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:26,160 utilities. I don't know if we've adding it in or if 505 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,520 it's appropriate, but just that accountability because if we want to 506 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:36,960 keep the housing affordable, that connection has to be quick. Sometimes 507 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:43,200 they are waiting days, weeks, months for that final 508 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:49,440 and it's I feel pretty strongly that that there should 509 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:55,760 be accountability from the you know ever or whatever it is that that needs to be 510 00:38:53,119 --> 00:39:00,480 in an efficient scenario and and currently it just simply is is not or I 511 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,839 don't think there's any accountability. I I don't know if we can or should or 512 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,760 should not, but feel like there should be some kind of accountability there 513 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:15,760 that that that is done as efficiently as possible for the builders, contractors, 514 00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:19,119 but also the people that are, you know, eventually going to be paying that whole 515 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:23,359 cost because it gets passed to the consumer. It the builder's not eating 516 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:28,800 it. >> Yes, Sean Penley. Um they you know for 517 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,599 these uh other permits it is good point to mention there are other permitting 518 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:34,480 requirements. So we go through our review and this these cases go to the 519 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,079 zoning board and the board county commission subdivision and the plat 520 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:42,079 approval then there's another le level of review for the individual utility 521 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,760 providers to do their permitting and just as we would would with with say 522 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,200 land disturbance and all the other and building permits. Unfortunately they are 523 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,000 on a different track and they don't they don't follow our uh procedures for 524 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,960 zoning and subdivision regulations. That's the one part. Then there's a 525 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,280 whole other level of review for the other things. Building permits, sewer 526 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,040 permits, water permits. Yeah. And it's unfortunately we don't have any control 527 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,079 over most of those. We do with building permit review, I can tell you. And 528 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,760 that's a something we're also going through this fall with a building code 529 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,160 update, updating the [clears throat] international uh building code. That's 530 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,920 um they're streamlining things. Definitely there there are new 531 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:22,560 requirements for shot clock requirements for certain types of you know single 532 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,720 family residential permits and things that can be addressed in that way but 533 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:35,800 unfortunately we we have no jurisdiction over the different utility providers. 534 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,800 » Any other questions for Jenny or staff 535 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:44,079 » hearing? None. We'll move on to director's report. Jay is at the budget 536 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,359 meeting. So John, will you be giving that? 537 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,800 » Yes. Uh thank you commissioners. I uh yeah as far as really the director's 538 00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:54,880 report, the only item I had to mention was the if you recall the comprehensive 539 00:40:52,400 --> 00:41:01,040 plan annual review we had at the meeting in July and um you recommended approval 540 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:08,640 of that with basically finding uh that the comprehensive plan is still uh 541 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:12,480 current and and in um in in action. We do need updates and we identified some 542 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:18,240 of those if you recall for future updates to the rural comprehensive plan 543 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:25,040 and we uh will be working on those in 2027. We do have a item on the uh board 544 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,839 of county commissioners agenda for September 10th and that really is just a 545 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:33,200 manager's report with the finding that here are all the items as we identified 546 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,960 as staff that need to be updated. planning commission has reviewed 547 00:41:34,268 --> 00:41:41,280 [clears throat] this and they recommended that and those items u I 548 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:45,599 believe were mostly centered on our policy area uh you know the 549 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:50,319 comprehensive plan our future uh land use policy areas we recognize we need to 550 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,520 update that uh because of the continued growth and development in the county 551 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,800 specifically the cities and that affects our urban fringe areas and rural areas. 552 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:04,800 So we will be updating that and we anticipate meetings with those uh cities 553 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,960 uh who have also undergone their similar comprehensive plan updates. So that's 554 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:12,079 really the only item for update and as we mentioned at the next meeting we'll 555 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:19,079 have the update hopefully ready for module three. Uh but certainly happy to 556 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,079 answer any other questions. 557 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:27,359 » Thank you. Uh any other old or new business we need to discuss tonight? 558 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,560 Uh, our next meeting is September 22nd. I assume we'll be back in our normal 559 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,040 space. >> Yes, that is correct. We'll be back 560 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:39,680 upstairs in the third floor board. >> Excellent. Um, hearing no other 561 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,920 business, we are adjourned. Have a good evening, everyone.