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Okay, let's go ahead and get our meeting started. This is a regular call meeting of the Johnson County Commissioner's Court. Notice was properly and lawfully posted on the Texas Open Meetings Act on August 4th of 2022. Today's date being Monday, August 8th of 2022 at 9.01 a.m. Prior to the start of our court, I'd like to

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do our immigration. I'd like to ask Mr. Hal for the Texas flag and

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Commissioner Bailey for the United States flag. If you could all please rise

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with me. My prayer may be a little longer. We need, we've got a lot to pray about in

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this country. Father God, we humbly approach you this morning, Father. Thank

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you for Jesus. Thank you for that promise, Father God, that was delivered to us

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years ago, and we thank you and we honor you, Father God. The Father we pray today, that you

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will guide this court and all of this decisions that it makes. And Father, we also pray for our country,

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for all the turmoil that's going on. And Father God, we know that you are in control of all,

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And we pray for the God that good minds will come together and work together, whether

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be our country or other countries' father.

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So Father, just give us your mercy, your love, your patience.

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So God, all moral leaders in Washington, God, their thoughts, may they work together as representatives

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of the people of this country.

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And may those results be for the betterment of our country?

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What are those may be, Father God, but you know, the Father, we thank you for that.

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We are glad that you're in control and sighting seems to think he is, but we know who's in control.

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We thank you for that, Father God.

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Father, be with us now as we go through this agenda for our citizens of Johnson County.

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May we respect each and every person here today.

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Father, thank you for your love.

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Thank you for Jesus.

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But give us what we pay you for our prayer and Jesus' name.

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Please join us.

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welcome all our guests. We have quite a few guests with us today. I think each and every one of you are coming.

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Judge, if I could, I don't know. Yes, sir, you may have got them.

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Speaking of the housema. Guests here in our audience today, we have a gentleman with us today that may have to leave before their time on the program.

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But I want to introduce and honor Mr. Barney McClure.

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It was inducted into the Ag Teachers Association of Texas Hall of Fame two weeks ago.

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Quite an honor.

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Barney taught here in Johnson County in the Grandview and Clebron and then went to work

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for the Ag Teachers Association of Texas and has been an icon in that family and I just wanted

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to publicly congratulate him on behalf of the commission's court and thank you for what

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you do now with prairie lands and solar water conservation and those things

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Barney we appreciate you. New vet Barney.

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Barney has always been a very

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progressive person for our community and the good part about it Barney. We hope

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we leave good seeds for our kids you know and you've got something coming behind

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and they're excellent, so we're excited about that

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for the future of our county.

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We have a very, very special presentation this morning.

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It's a presentation, the 2021 Texas Historical Commission

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Distinguished Service Award

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to the Johnson County Historical Commission.

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All the executive committee members are I believe are present.

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They don't really get their salary so large and they give them sales for the betterment

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of the history of our county.

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And so we're quite honored to even have you here, thank you for coming.

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And we'd like to present this Texas Historic Commission Distinguished Service Award.

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I'd like to ask the court to come with me if we may and we'll

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Senator y'all can come all come up and we'll present this

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I know all these people, this is a great group of people here that give their time for

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the betterment of the history of our county.

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They spend quite a bit of time doing it too and so we want to honor them with this Texas

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the Historical Commission as presents the 2021 Distinguished Service Award to the Johnson County Historical Commission

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and recognition of its active and well-balanced preservation program.

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This is signed by the Executive Director of the Texas Historical Commission,

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I know him personally, no found man, and this is a really nice award.

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So Sandra I'll present who I'm going to present this to you Sandra. She's the chair of our commission

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I want to say something for y'all talk

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We we've lost some fight a lot

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That among ourselves sometimes, but these people are exceptional people

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Native and I go back in so many years and worked with us on a hundred year

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and genuinely that took a lot of time, too, didn't it?

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And it was very successful, I think.

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And so thank all of y'all for what you do

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and for your participation in our county.

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So...

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Thank you for your service.

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Well, thank y'all.

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It's, I loved it.

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So it's been a good thing.

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So, all right.

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Senator, I'll turn it over.

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You can kind of get, say what you want to say.

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And then Bob, if you want to make some comments,

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Yes.

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All right.

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In the court members.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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We're very proud to have this award.

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It's the first one that we believe that we're aware of since prior to 20 2004, I think it's pardoned the pun right now.

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It's so dry, but it's been a long dry spell, we think.

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And we've enjoyed working with the judge all these years.

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Some of us have been on the commission since prior to that, and we remember how long it took us to get a second award.

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and we're very proud of it. I'd like to introduce everyone if I may. This is James Neely,

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Melvin Bert. This is Vice Chair Bob Rubel, Danny Doggett,

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Anita Redmond, and Luanne Rubel. Some of our executive committee was unable to attend today,

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but we wish they were here to share this honor with us and we're very proud of this and we are

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We're glad that they recognize that we have a well-balanced program and we invite all of you to take a look at some of the things that were involved in and there is on the county website and attend a meeting whenever you can, we encourage anyone to come so we're very grateful for this and we hope that you will enjoy it as much as we do and know that it's for all of us in Johnson County, we're very proud to represent the other citizens.

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Does anyone else

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just want to say it's an honor and a privilege to be here and to work with this fine group of people and hope that we can continue to do the good work.

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Anybody has any suggestions or comments please contact Santa or one of us.

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Thank you.

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I just like to thank the Commissioner's Court and Judge Harmon for working with us

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and inviting us on how to win this award and again Judge Harmon, congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Yes, our long-time marker chair, Wilma Reed, has developed some affirmities of her 93 plus years of age and is unable to be with us.

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Nita has accepted the appointment as marker chair and we're so blessed to be able to still, as I tell Nita, pick Wilma's brain and ask her for advice and help and we're so blessed that we still can do that and she will visit with us and attend our meetings when she's able.

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She stays quite a bit these days with her daughter in Waco.

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Let's give it up here.

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I'll get that in on the air.

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Rick's got it.

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That's Rick's job.

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You're taking him away from me.

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Hey, these kind of western things.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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There's two kinds of muted country and with them.

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What's it here?

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brought that back on that one.

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Thank you, Ruth.

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Oh, I know.

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It's just me too.

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Okay.

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We've had three sign-up this morning for public participation. Let me just mention

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our rules. We have a three-minute rule on presentations to the court and public participation.

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and the court normally does not respond to the participation part.

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So, I'll call these in the order that I've received them and the first is Craig.

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Craig, kind of a hi, Craig, good morning, sir.

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And I want to appreciate you coming to Grandview last week, it's wearing in K that mental

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lock does.

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Well, thank you for saying that.

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Okay, my discussion today is on the, just say hello to the ladies and everybody else.

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But my discussion today is over the raises.

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Okay, we've had two and a half years of COVID, non-essential, essential workers, people

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losing their jobs and businesses, massive unemployment, Californians fleeing their corrupt state

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to ours driving property values to the moon through our, and I want to say it, our corrupt

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ad-belorm tax system. Everybody knows it's got to go. And not one time have I heard anyone

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of our elected condemning CAD for what they have done to their citizens.

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Republican platform values and everybody is a Republican setting up here.

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Low taxes, smaller

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less intrusive government and on property during the primary elimination of property

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tax. You have the power to change everything. It doesn't matter how high appraisals are.

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If tax rate is zero, then property tax is zero. I'm not asking you to do that. I know

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elimination isn't going to happen yet, but you can make change. People are suffering and

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you the elected are wanting a raise. Now, you should get a raise, but who really needs

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the raises or the employees? My employees, your employees, but I'm not judging anybody,

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but I know I, and a lot of you, we could go without a raise.

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It's time for change.

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I want

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say give the employees a better rate.

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Please, and y'all cut your percentage down. We need to leave a clean slate for our new incumbent county judge.

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That's it. Thank you.

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Okay. The next person that has signed up to speak is David Hurn, Jr. David.

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Morning, buddy. I'm here to talk about y'all's wording on your resolution. Yes, sir. Number 13, I guess it was out of action.

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Basically, I'd like you all to change that.

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I really would like you all to change that.

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A resolution really doesn't do anything other than just talk.

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We need you all to be more actionable.

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Walk the walk, talk the talk.

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And so I'm requesting you all to stand together,

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stand with citizens of the border counties,

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to change it to a declaration of invasion because that's what it is.

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I invite every one of y'all to come with me down there and see what's going on firsthand,

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know that the people are scared to death, because they don't know whether they're going

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to have somebody break into their house, rob them, steal from them, or even assault them in

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one fashion or another.

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People down there carry everywhere they go, especially on their own property.

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And it's very unfortunate that that's happening.

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There are actual people trying to break in to low-girls rooms.

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Luckily, the parents had put screws in the window gyms

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to keep that individual from breaking into that low-girls room.

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I want you all to think about that and put yourself in that position.

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We need to support our Texas counties on the southern border and I'm asking you to

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re-assess that and change that to a declaration.

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We need to force the governor to declare it, declare an invasion because that is exactly

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what it is.

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It's not just people looking for work.

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We're dealing with criminals.

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I deal with those individually when I'm down there.

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And I'm begging you, changing, please, and I appreciate you all's time, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Next person signed up to speak is Becker Hughes.

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Becker.

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Thank you all for your work.

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Is this better?

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Yes, sir.

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All right.

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I won't contact ADA on the, it's not going to come.

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Well, you're a bit short like I am.

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Now, thank you all very much for the attention you all've given this matter.

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I do appreciate what you are doing.

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Resolution does show that it's on your radar.

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But like Mr. Hurn, I also believe that a resolution is inadequate for what's taken place.

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It should be a disaster declaration as seven other counties, eight other counties now.

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I have also passed in the state of Texas, those aren't just border counties, Parker County passed this two weeks ago as a disaster declaration, and I don't think that we're in any different situation in Parker County is in here.

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I did crimes statistically reporting for Louisville Police for four years, and the stats that were presented to me by my commissioner Kenny Howell, from what I heard, this is an inadequate picture of what y'all have collected

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to decide that this is not a basis for a disaster.

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I think it's, I don't think you've looked at all the stats.

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And so I ask you, have you talked to the coroner?

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Have you asked how many fentanyl deaths there'd been in this county?

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Have you asked how many traffic accidents, traffic fatalities have been, as a result of an unlicensed illegal alien operating motor vehicle in our county?

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Those are questions I'd like to answer by this court when you take up this proposal, number 13.

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Article 1, Section 10 of the United States Constitution is your basis for this disaster declaration.

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We are in the midst of a full-on invasion, and we all know this has been propagated and

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condoned by the Federal Government.

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When the Federal Government does not act, the Governor himself has the authority to act

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into declaring invasion, into mobilized all of the military departments of the State of

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Texas as its disposal.

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So our governor sadly has not taken that step to declare disaster and invasion in this state.

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So it now behooves our individual counties to put the adequate pressure on the governor's

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office.

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And to be honest gentlemen, this resolution will not even get their attention.

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I appreciate it.

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We appreciate it in this county.

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I hope that the papers recorded what action you have taken.

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I do thank you for it, but I'm asking you to take subsequent action after this date and to actually pass a disaster declaration for Johnson County.

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There are two corridors of human trafficking that pass through this county.

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I-35, we could probably sit up here if the old strippers convention or settlers grounds, and we could probably, if we had binoculars in the right intel in the right surveillance, we could probably surveil a number of human traffickers passing right through our county.

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But it behooves them to keep themselves on the down low to maintain a low profile.

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And so no, our crime stats are not going to report how many human traffickers are passing

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through our county.

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67 is coming right up from Mill Paso.

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That's also a human trafficking corridor.

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And if we had eyes to look inside those vehicles, we could see the same thing.

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We need to take action, gentlemen.

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This is our moment of our generation.

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We've got to put a stop to this. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Okay, I believe that's all that's signed up to speak.

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We'll move on to proceeding business and the first item is consideration of the minutes of the commission's court on June 13th of 2022, which was a regular call session for a correction and July the 8th of 2022, a regular call session.

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How do you maintain a motion to approve those?

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Move to approve, Ted.

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I have a motion on commercial y.

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Second by Commissioner Howe to approve the minutes.

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Any further discussion?

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All in favor, aye.

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Any opposed?

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No one opposed, is that motion does carry.

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Item two is consideration, questions to pay our bills.

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Steve?

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Nothing to add.

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Okay.

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Move to approve, Ted.

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Okay motion

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to have second. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't hear you there

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Motion of commissioner Bailey second my commercial woolly to approve the bills any further discussion

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All in favor. I in it pose no one opposes

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Motion does carry

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Item three is our acknowledgement the receipt of the county auditors report to the commission's court that the director of

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reflect that we acknowledge

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the county auditors report.

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We have some other people here in the audience, there's going to make a presentation on this,

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which one it was.

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It was in workshop in Perilins.

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Yeah, Perilins.

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Okay, so you won't have to sit here with us all day.

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We'd love to have your presence all day, but at this time, the Johnson County Commission's Court

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from a regular session will go into workshop session.

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And for that is under the discussion

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of with Prairie Lands Groundwater Conservation District.

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Concerning the current groundwater issues.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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How are you?

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I'll tilt the stand for the.

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There you go.

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First of all, thank you for allowing us to be here.

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We did receive a call from Commissioner Woolie

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wanting the Prayland's groundwater district to maybe come before the court and talk about the status of the water in the county and what's going on with this drought.

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So a couple of things real quick. I'd like to introduce two directors that are here with me, both of these gentlemen represent Johnson County.

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We had Barney McClure, which many of y'all know as well as Paul Tishler. And I want to thank them for taking the time to come.

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I've also brought a consultant in our attorney to visit with y'all should this conversation.

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You'll have questions regarding some of the things we're doing.

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But first of all, I'd like to introduce Wade Oliver.

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He's with Intera.

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He has some slides.

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He's going to talk about a drought study that we recently did and was approved by our board

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in May, as well as some other factors affecting lot sizes and so forth.

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So if you don't mind, I'll have Wade come forward right now.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, sir.

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This works on the first try.

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That'll be a first for me.

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Okay.

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So, first of all, Kathy, thank you for the introduction on that.

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And it's a pleasure to be with you all today.

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As Kathy said, my name is Wade Oliver.

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I'm a hydrogeologist.

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I have the pleasure of working with Prairie Lange, GCD.

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And so, we work on groundwater issues in Johnson County here quite a bit.

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My presentation is actually very, very quick, which I know you all will be thankful for.

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The districts and I came prepared to talk about several topics related to drought so we weren't really sure what is going to be of most interest to you guys but we've got drought and that's the status of the current drought.

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Recent study that we did related to drought in Brayland's GCD and how that led to some rule changes at the district to help with water supply issues in the area.

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We're also prepared if you're all interested to talk about groundwater availability certifications

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and a potential interlocal agreement that is being considered and then track size requirements

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and how that all plays into all of this.

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So briefly on the current stage of the drought, as a big takeaway here, the dark red colors

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are the worst part of the drought.

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And so Johnson County is in an exceptional drought right now.

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It's about about 20% of the state is, so this is not quite as bad as the worst single year drought on record, which was 2011 for the state as a whole, but this is the worst drought category.

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It's been a rough year for Johnson County and we're starting to hear some of that and people's responses and wells.

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So, the district actually kicked off the study of drought before it was this bad, and so it was timely that it came out when it did, but the real purpose of the study was to answer what the district's appropriate response would be to drought.

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We looked at the 2011 drought and the reservoir responses, and I'm not going to get into the reservoir responses here in our discussion today, but there's two different ways that a regulatory agency can respond to drought.

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One is to, depending on the aquifer characteristics, one is to say we need to protect this aquifer during this critical time of drought, and so it's time to pull back pumping.

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Okay?

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That's option number one.

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Our first with different characteristics aren't as susceptible to the impacts of drought,

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and so the response is actually the reverse.

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Its surface water supplies are being really hit during this time of drought.

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We need to draw on this savings account, so to speak, of groundwater resources, and so we

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will allow more pumping during times of drought.

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So the purpose of the study was to answer that question.

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What is the appropriate response?

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Less pumping to protect the aquifer

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or more pumping to rely on it temporarily

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as an additional resource,

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whenever surface water supplies are tough.

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So as part of the evaluation,

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we looked at available drought on all the aquifers.

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This, we're just focused here

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here on the Polluxy portion of the Trinity Opera here, which is very prevalent in Johnson

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County. So, you can see as you move to the southeast in the county, the available drawdown

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in the Polluxy can be, you know, two or three hundred feet, but as you move closer to

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Fort Worth, as you move in the northern part of the county, you'll have less than a hundred

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feet of available drawdown. And if you available drawdown is just the height of a water column

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I'm going to well in it, it relates to how much you're able to pump the rate that you're able to pump.

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So, looked at that for all the units here.

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And the big takeaways were that in prayer lands, that it is reasonable to rely on the aquifers during a time of throughout within some parameters.

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The district has long-term management goals called desired future conditions that they're required to manage towards.

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And so the

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The district actually implemented some rule changes that I'll touch on briefly here that allow for increased pumping in the district during a time of extreme or exceptional drought so long as that production does not put at risk the desired future conditions and those long term management goals. The other takeaway here, which I've underlined, is that there are a lot of goals that are, excuse me, a lot of wells that are exempt from permitting requirements.

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of the district, I think of these as house wells on small

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tracks of land, those are typically the shallowest wells in

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the district. They are because of that because they are the

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shallowest, they have the least available drought down, usually

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the least expensive to drill and because they're just for

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single family homes. And for that reason, they're the most

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susceptible to the impacts of drought. And so if you've heard,

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if you've heard from people within the county that there are some shallow

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wells that have gone dry, it's typically that. So there there are some

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requirements within for new wells at the at the district to complete at least

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50 feet into into some of these aquifers to try and make sure that there's enough

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available drought down so that they're not going dry during during a bad

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drought like we have now but those are going to be the ones that are that are

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hit hardest in the first. One other note on that public water supply wells are

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typically drilled deeper and into if not different formations over across much

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more of the formation and so there's not often a lot of impact of public

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water supply wells on local wells, local like domestic wells. So keep that in

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I already talked about the rule changes and I believe the district just implemented that

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and declared it because the drought is so bad right now so I think we're working through

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the additional pumping that could be allowed under existing permits to make sure that everyone

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has enough water.

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That's a takeaway from my presentation.

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I'm certainly happy to answer any questions or hand it back over to Kathy or anybody else.

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Well, thank you for your information.

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I think water right now is on everyone's mind because of the drought that was undergoing.

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I just had a question, maybe you'd be the person on the gas.

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I had read an article here all back where, you know, none of us see any new reservoirs being

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planned.

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I think there was a few, but it's very, very few.

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you, reservoirs, and from what I understand from time that the inception of the thought

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of creating a new reservoir to 20-year process.

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With that said in this one article I read that the because of the operation rate of surface

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water is so tremendous, I've heard that one thing they can go to is a injection process

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So will they start injecting during heavy rains, excess water, injecting that water into the aquifer?

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Is that a true statement or?

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It is a true statement and I'm glad you brought that up.

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So that process is called aquifer storage and recovery.

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So there is, and that's related to a separate process called managed aquifer recharge.

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So these are two ways that you can actively get additional water during times of plenty.

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as they're in a flood, like you mentioned, into an underground reservoir either to protect

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the health of the reservoir, which is what managed our free charges, or to pull out

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later on as a water supply source, which is what our first origin recovery is.

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And the benefit that you mentioned is key.

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It's that there is not a big straw called evaporation pulling water out of the groundwater

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reservoir, like there is in a surface water reservoir.

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And there's other benefits as well where you don't have to take over all of the land and go through all that environmental permitting and everything.

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So that is something that is gaining traction in the state.

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Our company was involved in both an aquifer storage and recovery study for the district and for the state as a whole.

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And the city of New Bromples has just done an aquifer storage and recovery well, it's called ASR.

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So that is, like I said, gaining traction in the state and I think it's going to be an important water supply source in the future.

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It's not new water, it's just a new way of storing existing water but it's saving it when you have it so that you can use it when you need it.

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Did the Co-Mail County participate in the cost share along with that project, for the New Bronfels project?

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The short answer is I don't.

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Edwards, I guess that's on the hook over there, the plateau.

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The, so, are you talking about the new Bronfels?

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Study, I don't know if the county participated in that.

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Certainly the main client that we were working with

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and that was the city of New Bronfels.

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I could find that out and get back to you if you could.

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That would be good information.

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You know, Kathy and I've discussed, you know,

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And we're in a proximity of a different region here that would certainly supply with cost of utilities to bring water to us from the region G, I think it is, you know, we're, I mean, we border that, you know, so I don't know this went into legislative year, they're certainly going to have their plates full going forward, but it's time to have that dialogue and get that discussion going with our local representatives.

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And I would encourage support on that from from prayer lands to how do we how do we get that in gear to have that conversation?

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Any ideas on that going forward?

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Well, even a little closer than come out county is Bell County has done an offer for storage and recovery study recently that would.

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And I do know that the county was involved in that, and that's over the Trinity Opera as well.

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So, sorry, were you going to say something?

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Well, the report's better than what we've been anticipating as far as, you know, basically replenishing, you know,

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when we're setting up here with so much development growth and so many, we won't be responsible if you will for consumer protection some level.

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But, you know, when you have developers that come in or folks come in and just drill that shallow well,

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everything's good until it's not, you know, when you have this drought situation that we've got.

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But how do we, you know, the discussion here has been to do an expensive and extensive process for the developer.

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But when you have individuals that are just going to purchase maybe the two acres and drill their own well

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How do we address that because

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That that seems to be the issue. I think Commissioner Woolie's got some that basically are new home new construction and

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They're dealing with they're having they're having a significant problem. So I mean as far as this court goes how do we navigate?

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Any recommendations or suggestions other than what's going on the obvious you know that study is 60 or $70,000 on top of the drilling the drill.

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So any guidance or ideas on anything to do with how do we navigate that?

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I want to make sure that I'm clear about the question.

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When you say this study you're talking about the ground water availability certifications for plating.

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So do you like me to take that catheter and you guys want to pick up on this one?

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Okay, I'll take a stab at it and then we've got clean up duty here when I mess things up.

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So, the Crown Water Availability Certifications aren't cheap, as you just mentioned.

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But they're designed to address the key issue that you just mentioned, which is someone's

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coming in and doing a, you know, sometimes it's a 50 or 200 home development on all on minimum

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track two acre lots and not a lawyer, but the water code allows for people putting a domestic

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use well on their own property to be exempt from permitting. It allows them to produce

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up to 25,000 gallons per day. That's the equivalent of 17.36 gallons per minute. So if you

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You have 100 of those, or 200 of those, all in a relatively small area.

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That's the equivalent of a very large well, or several very large wells in a small area.

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And so, the impacts to the aquifer at the point are large.

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Track size requirements is a tool in the toolbox, the rule that the district has related to how

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much of the aquifer that you have to complete through to give yourself a buffer for drawdowns

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is a tool and a toolbox, and those certifications are a tool in the toolbox, but that's if there's unique tools beyond that, I don't know them yet.

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Well, we haven't, as I said, we haven't had a problem passing that cost analysis onto the developer, especially for multiples, but

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we're getting folks that come in, got a two or three acre piece of ground that they want to do,

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and

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I mean, they're going to build it and flip it a lot of times, so that's the concern that we're facing up here is how we regulate that, but we can't put that kind of a burden on somebody simply want to build a home for their child or something on their property.

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That we've talked about this internally, not to share internal discussions.

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I mean, there could be a threshold for how many lots are being subdivided that would go into that.

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What you don't want to do is create a loophole through which a large development can go.

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So we changed our planning requirements on people who are buying or developing land that's not next to a rural,

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John's County water supply or something like that.

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We're building access they have as well water.

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And with your recommendation, Kathy, we went from one to two acres.

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and that's why I think, Larry, thank you for asking for this presentation this morning

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because it's something that's on everyone's mind right now, cause of the dryness.

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And the growth.

438
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:31,240
And the growth.

439
00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:35,480
Yeah, that's another factor, Rick, our growth is phenomenal right now.

440
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:46,480
And so I don't know if y'all are playing on looking at maybe going to three acres versus

441
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:54,840
the two or not, but I'm sure that's been a thought in your mind, so can you elaborate

442
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,280
on that a little bit?

443
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Hey Brian, I don't know about these people in Austin Tech.

444
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:07,280
I don't know.

445
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,540
For the record, my name is Brian Sledge, and I'm a service legal counsel for the

446
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:13,840
district.

447
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:19,940
You know, on the outside, I got to say it's a pleasure to see you, Judge, and all of

448
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:20,660
you commissioners.

449
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:21,640
Good to see you, too.

450
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:30,720
I was noting to myself mentally, one of the amazing constants in the world is that Judge

451
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:35,460
Harman never ages. He looks exactly like he did about 20 years ago on the first

452
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:42,140
met him and got hired by the county to work on water issues. I heard you're

453
00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:46,960
finally hanging up your talks at the end of the year and December 31. I'm not here

454
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,480
to celebrate with you. Well, thank you. What a great job of public service. Yeah,

455
00:42:51,680 --> 00:43:00,200
something that's loved. Anyway, we have talked about, you know, from time to time,

456
00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:04,600
increase in the minimum practice as our

457
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,220
challenges that whatever we do we have to do for all four counties.

458
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:14,600
And so, you know, it was a pretty big struggle going from one to two.

459
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:19,340
In different counties have different different feelings on the topic.

460
00:43:19,340 --> 00:43:22,540
You know, we also have Ellis Hill and some reveal counties.

461
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:25,480
And I don't know that we're going to do that or not.

462
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,900
We are currently looking at because we've just got our new

463
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:36,360
water budget, so to speak, or we're fixing to get it from the state for the next five year planning period on how much

464
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:43,240
groundwater can be pumped both through our permitted wells and our small registered exempt wells. We are going to look at our

465
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:51,540
rule for permitted wells, which currently is 50,000 gallons per raker. That has a nice tie-in for the two-acre tract

466
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,320
size for us because that typical family uses about a hundred thousand gallons per year. And so

467
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:11,460
So if you put them on two acres, they've got the requisite amount of land pump about if we have a 50,000 per acre limit to pump about 100,000 acres per year, but it's something we could always, always discuss.

468
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:25,480
One of the things we'd really like to talk with the county about is we have the board asked us to develop a template interlocal agreement to enter into with counties and

469
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:33,460
cities in our 4 county district who have plating authority and who have exercised their authority

470
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:37,960
for y'all in the chapter 232 of the local government code to require ground water certification

471
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,640
statements.

472
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,680
I think this is a great deal. Some of

473
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,240
Vell county had reached out to us initially and I think we've inked the deal with them

474
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,860
on last month maybe on the first interlocal agreement we've had and basically how that

475
00:44:51,860 --> 00:44:59,980
That would work, if you guys choose to exercise your authority under Chapter 232 and require developers that are-

476
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,840
We're coming in, proposing to subdivide land, plat it, with ground water as a source of supply, whether they're going on public water supply, or their proposed and put in individual wells on two-acre lots, we have another local agreement with you that you'll require the ground water certification statement that you can require. And if you do so, they have to comply with TCQ's rules on those, which were very detailed in what they have to provide. And then we have the expertise through our hydrogeologist and

477
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,660
his team to review those and what the interlinked local government provides is that

478
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:38,800
Joel would require $1,000 fee to be paid to the district.

479
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,460
And we will have a five business day turnaround time to review once we get their certification

480
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:53,640
and the supporting data to have our hydrogeologist review that and make a recommendation, one whether

481
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:59,880
they agree because you know it's hard to tell you get the people that put those

482
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,180
things together sometimes you know it's like a lot of smoke and mirror sometimes

483
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:10,080
and it's hard and he's really most counties of cities aren't in a position to

484
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,960
grade and evaluate the technical calculations that are going to those things

485
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,160
but wait in his team are I mean they're the best hydrogiologists in the state

486
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,960
And I've worked with all of them, I think, when I say that.

487
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,780
So you get the best hydrogeologist in the state who have said that on average,

488
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:33,840
you know, they're going to charge us, this is just the pass-through cost, for $1,000 flat fee,

489
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:38,660
they could get it evaluated and turn it around with a recommendation on whether there's

490
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:44,840
groundwater going to be available to those homeowners or making the biggest investment in their lives 10 or 20 years from now.

491
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,180
And two, whether if you approved the plat, whether they're also going to be able to comply

492
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:53,620
with our rules, it's just that coordination.

493
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:58,780
Some, you know, one, it just promotes coordination between what are you guys doing and looking

494
00:46:58,780 --> 00:47:04,520
for, and if y'all were to approve a plat, could they come over and get a permit or a registered

495
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,200
well from us because sometimes they can't, you know.

496
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,360
And unfortunately, sometimes it's the smaller ones that do it, you know, you get somebody

497
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:20,060
with ten acres wanting to carve off an acre for a kid or a grand kid, but they carve it where they,

498
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:25,300
where the subdivision line is right up against the existing well so that there's a short

499
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,920
easement getting to the new property and now they don't comply with our well-spacing

500
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:34,340
requirements. So just promote and coordination on those things and Commissioner Bailey raised

501
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:44,440
the question of, you know, do we want to adopt these 232 GAC requirements and put that bill on the developers?

502
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:51,300
You know, well, if it's a big subdivision, that doesn't seem to be too egregious, but if it's somebody wanting to carve an acre off for the grand

503
00:47:51,300 --> 00:48:02,320
kid, that seems a little tougher. I don't know what folks are charging for those smaller ones, and I'd refer to the county attorney on this, but I think you could

504
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,280
probably if you pass the resolution adopted in 232 requirements, you could probably

505
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,060
put some restrictions on how big it has to be before they have to engage and do it

506
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:19,320
to Chapter 232 analysis, which necessarily means hiring a professional geoscientist

507
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,620
or an engineer to do that certification in sealing.

508
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,120
To your question on cost, it's the same for an individual as it is for a developer

509
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,880
for developing many.

510
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,460
That's the issue.

511
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:38,630
For its weaving, prairie lands, and Jennifer closely.

512
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:43,190
And, you know, I have to, excuse me.

513
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:45,950
I have to applaud her and her staff.

514
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:48,330
They are reaching out to us continuously

515
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,350
on these same little situations we just taught.

516
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:54,210
Brian mentioned, mom has the property.

517
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:56,310
Carving off the sun for the kids.

518
00:48:56,770 --> 00:48:59,630
And we're making sure those property lines stay

519
00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:01,730
within the proper distance of the well.

520
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:04,610
So I do think there's opportunity to carve those out

521
00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:08,710
and not require that cost because of the threshold.

522
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:15,110
It's so small, the impact overall is not going to be like we've heard

523
00:49:15,110 --> 00:49:17,830
on multiple wells going in.

524
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:21,890
It's just ensuring that they maintain current rules and regulations.

525
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:23,510
I agree with what you just said.

526
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:27,410
I mean, we can't expect every family member

527
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:31,910
or individual seeking to drill a water well to incur that?

528
00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:37,150
Right. Where we see more problems are in areas and not necessarily in Johnson County where

529
00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:44,330
someone has 100 acres and they're starting to carve off the front, 50 acres and 10 acre

530
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:49,670
lots, and then they're going to move on back. They sell five, plan for five more once they sell those.

531
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:54,750
But I'm not really seeing that occurring in Johnson County, it's more developments coming

532
00:49:54,750 --> 00:50:00,890
And the high-impact density, or the high density impact that's going to be occurring.

533
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:06,410
I have to commend the county again for being a very proactive to the Jennifer's Department.

534
00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:14,510
Working on that, I wish all of our planning authorities had the grass she does.

535
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:20,290
We're seeing situations where even though the plant requirements call for,

536
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:23,130
is it going to be ground water wells or public water.

537
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:28,470
There's no assurance that the follow-through that this is happening, and we've had situations where

538
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:33,810
residents, or property owner has bought a piece of property, the public water is not there.

539
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:37,810
It's the cost to the developers too much, so it said go drill it well.

540
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:42,850
The lots aren't big enough now, so it now turns into attorneys have to get involved,

541
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:45,190
and it's been very tenacious on that situation.

542
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:50,110
And so, you know, I think y'all have put in steps that are required,

543
00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:56,030
I'm proof of that water before they'll finish processing permits or something.

544
00:50:56,310 --> 00:51:00,750
Some of our cities, they simply don't want to relinquish their pletting authority.

545
00:51:01,090 --> 00:51:08,650
But I will come in, Jennifer, as well, for reaching out and trying to at least be on the same page.

546
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:10,810
We know what their developments are going to look like.

547
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:12,530
We know what's coming, though it's not.

548
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:14,890
So yeah, that has been a proactive move.

549
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:22,290
And I think in time, hopefully, those that some are, some of them came back to us in the last year or two to allow us to take over the

550
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:25,690
bledding. I don't expect all ever to say that they does help.

551
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:31,070
It's letting us work with them a little more. And I think that, you know, Jennifer, again, it's helped coordinate that.

552
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:36,130
We're looking over those. But we still do see a lot of flights going in that there's no

553
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:43,990
confidence that that water's going to be there because what the cost is to Johnson County

554
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:45,530
I said, it's pretty enormous.

555
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:49,010
Jennifer was about to say, thank you for that.

556
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:54,430
I was just going to point out that we do have language in our subdivision book where

557
00:51:55,190 --> 00:52:02,870
people who wish to subdivide smaller numbers of lots can ask the court for

558
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:10,130
a variance on that ground water certification requirement if they can present the facts

559
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:15,930
that it would be too great a cost if it's just one lot or two lots instead of 50 lots.

560
00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:20,050
So we do have that option for some of those smaller developments.

561
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:25,290
And it would still meet our rules, minimum spacing, minimum lot size, all of that.

562
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:25,790
Correct.

563
00:52:26,330 --> 00:52:31,930
And then we also have, as Kathy mentioned, the enforcement side of things that if the developer

564
00:52:31,930 --> 00:52:36,390
says they're going to have public water, we ask for verification that that infrastructure

565
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:43,690
put in place before they begin permits, because we do have currently a situation where another city flat

566
00:52:43,690 --> 00:52:48,250
of the subdivision, the developer didn't put in the water, the people began building their home,

567
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:51,030
and then found out there wasn't a water.

568
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:51,610
Yeah.

569
00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:53,170
They got very good.

570
00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:55,830
Yeah, that's the good way.

571
00:52:56,270 --> 00:53:01,550
So we're making sure on iron through public works that we were trying to work with prairie lands

572
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:04,890
and the developers and property owners that every person.

573
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:07,130
on board with that, that's going to be key.

574
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:16,390
I was going to add, you know, as the huge developments coming out of the Metroplex South

575
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:23,770
and concentric circles of growing population, it's unquestionable from a scientific standpoint

576
00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:30,190
and water planning standpoint that the future's surface water and the additional extension

577
00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:34,210
of surface water lines coming out of the big regional water providers in the

578
00:53:34,210 --> 00:53:38,330
Metroplex or, you know, in some parts of our district coming up south from

579
00:53:38,330 --> 00:53:46,650
the regional water providers to the south but it's better for everybody if we

580
00:53:46,650 --> 00:53:51,670
have rules and regulations in place that encourage the use of development on

581
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:56,670
public water systems. They're more regulated, it's punching last holes in the

582
00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:01,590
ground. Typically, they'll have two sources to apply for a lot of our users. They'll have

583
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:06,810
surface water and groundwater backup or some combination, which we see a lot of in the

584
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:13,270
north and eastern part of Johnson County. It's better for the developers on how much,

585
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:19,410
how many units they can get on a particular light. If you've got a 100 acre tract and take

586
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:24,430
off 20 acres for common areas, that leaves you 80. You can only sell 40 homes on a 100 acre

587
00:54:24,430 --> 00:54:28,510
But if you put them on public water systems, you might sell three or four times that many.

588
00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:34,190
It's just a more complicated analysis on the front end to work.

589
00:54:34,550 --> 00:54:40,710
And if we were to adopt those practices, our surface water suppliers, whether that's Johnson County,

590
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:49,150
or Sardis Lonellum, whoever it is, especially in the Ellison in Johnson County region,

591
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:54,830
they can plan to bring additional surface water on line if they know that the governmental

592
00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:58,350
mental entities that are controlling development in those counties are going to be pushing

593
00:54:58,350 --> 00:55:05,390
folks towards surface water and public water systems because we always see, not always,

594
00:55:05,590 --> 00:55:11,030
but 95% of the problems we see like the well and godly or whatever, it's small,

595
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:15,330
individual wells that are drilled to shallow because they went with the lowest bid on

596
00:55:15,330 --> 00:55:20,190
the well-driller and that was the driller who bid to drill the well to hit the water table

597
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:24,550
people in five feet further and ten years later, they're sucking air instead of water.

598
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:29,090
So you don't have those problems on public water supply wells because those folks have

599
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:33,090
TCEQ right and rush out over them and making sure their supply is going to be adequate.

600
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:39,550
So we think this interlocal agreement would be a great step in the right direction to promote

601
00:55:39,550 --> 00:55:44,390
further coordination between the district and the county and we'd be happy to work with

602
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:45,830
any of you guys on that front.

603
00:55:45,830 --> 00:55:46,510
You

604
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,660
forwarded that over, I guess, let Bill take a look at it.

605
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:53,200
Absolutely.

606
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:53,920
Yeah.

607
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:05,060
Well, guys, one thing to keep in mind on, you know, the groundwater certification, which I believe is, I mean, the possibility

608
00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:11,480
that's already in your regulations now, let's say the people coming in to do to purchase a home and a

609
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,760
subdivision is going to have individual wells for every, every home, they're going to 30-year mortgage.

610
00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:21,120
And the assumption is there's going to be water there for 30 years.

611
00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:25,520
But if they knew, there was five years worth of water on a 30-year mortgage, they're never

612
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,020
by the home.

613
00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:30,960
And you know, you hear advertisements on the radio, different services coming in.

614
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,660
No water bill.

615
00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:35,700
You know, that's one of the selling things.

616
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:37,040
You don't have to pay for public water.

617
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:38,200
You have your own well.

618
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,800
But if it pumps air, it's no use to anybody.

619
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:49,460
So it's real important to keep that in mind, the longevity.

620
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:56,790
and the groundwater certifications help, they help to ensure the longevity of that supply.

621
00:56:57,410 --> 00:57:01,530
And if it's not going to be there long enough, it will help determine, hey, it will last

622
00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:05,630
X. It might last Y, but it won't last X plus Y.

623
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:08,290
So that's my two cents.

624
00:57:09,630 --> 00:57:10,750
That's good two cents.

625
00:57:11,230 --> 00:57:11,470
Thank you, Paul.

626
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:15,550
For your cents, you've got to put in the inflation factor.

627
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:20,430
You all have any more questions for us?

628
00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:21,730
No, I just want to thank Paul.

629
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:28,190
And I was on the court when we first birthed the Franklin

630
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:31,110
and groundwater district with all the other local county

631
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:31,650
judges.

632
00:57:33,050 --> 00:57:33,870
Paul thank you.

633
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:35,730
I mean, Brian thank you.

634
00:57:36,350 --> 00:57:41,370
He let us very well, really had a good board.

635
00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:47,110
And early on, we wanted to make sure we had an excellent board.

636
00:57:47,110 --> 00:57:49,650
to start this crime water district.

637
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:53,190
Originally, we kind of thought the government

638
00:57:53,190 --> 00:58:00,510
because being Republican, though I was saying is less government,

639
00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:01,430
it's the best government.

640
00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:02,910
Tell you needs.

641
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:04,550
Yeah, until you need it.

642
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:08,430
But in relationship to this, this is so critical

643
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:10,910
and so important to our people.

644
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:13,290
Because everyone, when they get up in the morning,

645
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:16,150
and we were about this up in the godly area

646
00:58:16,570 --> 00:58:20,750
and they turn their share on and take share of that water to come on, you know.

647
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:26,030
So we had one gentleman tell us that he actually had to bathe in his swimming pool a couple

648
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:28,050
of times, so hopefully he's got some of that.

649
00:58:28,070 --> 00:58:32,790
Yeah, I think John's kind of real waters are that I think they're going to start publishing

650
00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:41,430
where all their lands are and that's something Jennifer that I think we can use in our

651
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:51,630
planning too. I won't be here, but the future courts can. And how far is surface water that's

652
00:58:51,630 --> 00:58:58,010
available to them from from on the co-ops, you know? So one of the things we're also seeing in

653
00:58:58,010 --> 00:59:05,570
the district is while there may be the subdivisions within certain cities, boundaries, or CCNs, that

654
00:59:05,570 --> 00:59:12,490
That agility does not have sufficient water, so they're allowing some of these areas to desertify.

655
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:18,510
And that's another concern in mind is the lack of ability to get water to some areas.

656
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:24,970
So as we talk about these public water systems, I think a big concern is these rural areas that are

657
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:30,790
soon to be developed, is there even potential for public water supply to be there in time?

658
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:34,330
And is that part of that planning period for those public water systems?

659
00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:37,410
I think that's a good process.

660
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:42,250
I was just curious in the other districts north of us in that region G or they don't

661
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:44,270
water rationing up there as of yet.

662
00:59:44,830 --> 00:59:46,610
Are you talking region C out of that?

663
00:59:46,610 --> 00:59:48,750
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I said G, but C.

664
00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:54,050
Well, the groundwater districts don't ration.

665
00:59:54,850 --> 00:59:59,890
I'm not aware of any of them that do, at least in this part of the state.

666
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,860
I know the retail water suppliers are the ones that are required by the TCQ to have drought contingency plans that typically have various trigger levels that go from, you know, please start conserving educational campaigns to water restriction, mandatory water restrictions. They're back in only water on one day. And I think some of the Metroplex providers have now started that down those DCP, including some mandatory watering restrictions. And those will get tighter.

667
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:37,920
as we move forward. I don't know, Paul, Claiborne just implemented one and possibly

668
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,580
going to go to level stage two on that soon today.

669
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:48,180
Where is the baddest shape as we've been in since the 2011 drought, which was,

670
01:00:48,260 --> 01:00:51,860
I think, probably the worst for this area. I wasn't here in the 50s to know whether

671
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,800
that one was worse or not, but was it worse?

672
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:05,240
And I want to echo what Judge Harmon said, thank you to the Court for sending Prairie

673
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,840
Layers good directors.

674
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:13,580
Y'all have y'all and the other three commissioners' courts have sent us such good individuals

675
01:01:13,580 --> 01:01:19,060
who have a lot of folks who have a lot of experience in the water industry or they're just good,

676
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:25,580
level-headed folks who can listen and learn like Barney, and that's really helpful.

677
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:30,980
I mean, I represented, I think, 23 of the 100 districts in the state, groundwater districts.

678
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:35,240
And this is hands down the best level headed board I've worked with.

679
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,440
Yeah, we lost one real good board member, the Kenny Howe, had on.

680
01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:40,060
Dennis.

681
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,440
Dennis, thank you.

682
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:42,260
Aaron, I guess.

683
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:42,580
Yeah.

684
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:43,840
He was a good guy.

685
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,620
Sure was.

686
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,020
Yeah, I think he had water background.

687
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:46,860
He did.

688
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,480
He was the old NRCS guy.

689
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:48,960
Yeah.

690
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:50,820
Some lot of experience with water.

691
01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:53,080
So back to track size and well-spacing.

692
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,640
just some history. I guess it's about six years ago when we went to the two-acre

693
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:04,860
mental and then that was in coordination with you guys and you did that

694
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:10,440
district-wide, correct? Yes, sir. So if there were consideration to go to

695
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,440
beyond that to a three-acre spacing, the county could and our subdivision

696
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,340
rules do that but but it wouldn't necessarily would we have to to coordinate with

697
01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:34,660
You guys you don't why you could adopt a more restrictive requirement than we then we have based on and all those I think the rest of the counties in our district are still at two or

698
01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:35,580
I think all

699
01:02:42,010 --> 01:02:54,050
are but hill county and theirs is very complicated. They have a 10 acre but it's based on septic it's we're still working with them to try to get them to a two acre

700
01:02:54,050 --> 01:02:59,110
minimal on that. So regardless of what they've adopted, they still have to

701
01:02:59,110 --> 01:03:03,030
meet our two acre before they can drill. So we're the more restrictive than the

702
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:09,210
camp is. But I think Judge Lewis, he's often said he'd like to get to 9.9 acres

703
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:12,970
or something like that. So he I think he'd be receptive to it. But I don't think

704
01:03:12,970 --> 01:03:15,850
they have a blanket rule like that. I think it's tired of the receptive program.

705
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:22,290
Well, that's always fascinating to me how you can drill a whale at one acre.

706
01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:27,910
a shallow one and have a septic tank right out there next to it and people think that's

707
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:28,610
going to be okay.

708
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:41,210
Well, in last two weeks ago or four weeks ago we had a plant that has access to public

709
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:46,630
water but in the event that they drill wells they've got some lots that end up being 30 feet

710
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:49,510
wide at the back at the back of those lots.

711
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:55,030
They've got 150 foot of rope frontings, they've got 30 feet in the back, and it's narrow

712
01:03:55,030 --> 01:03:56,590
as 50 feet in the middle.

713
01:03:57,290 --> 01:04:03,210
So whenever you think about in the event that they put, and they were over two acres

714
01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:03,990
weren't they Jennifer?

715
01:04:04,570 --> 01:04:05,050
Correct.

716
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:11,010
Yeah, they were two acre well, two acre tracks which would conform to our well spacing, but

717
01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:17,110
whenever you think about the actual geographic layout of that, it's not going to work.

718
01:04:17,110 --> 01:04:23,890
Well, they wouldn't be able to get a well from us under that proposal, because we've got two separate

719
01:04:23,890 --> 01:04:29,070
requirements. One's a two acre total track size minimum, and the other is minimum space for

720
01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:35,170
requirements, which for the small wells are 50 foot off the property line, so you've got to

721
01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:40,790
have at least 100 foot wide, and that's, you know, and hopefully better, and nobody wants to

722
01:04:40,790 --> 01:04:43,330
put their well right where their house is going to sit in the middle of the property.

723
01:04:43,330 --> 01:04:50,530
So, that's the type of coordination we can, you know, and it's all about protecting innocent

724
01:04:51,050 --> 01:04:56,950
people buying homes who don't ever think about water, they don't think about the showers

725
01:04:56,950 --> 01:05:01,230
not going to come on, and they don't think about, oh, I'm fixing the hand over this money

726
01:05:01,230 --> 01:05:07,290
for this lot, my biggest investment in my life, and when I go to build next year or 10 years

727
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:10,990
from now, because this is my retirement line, I'm not going to be able to have water on

728
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:16,050
property, and then they're out of luck. And so we just want to promote a little better

729
01:05:16,050 --> 01:05:17,190
coordination on the front end.

730
01:05:17,890 --> 01:05:22,510
Well, six years ago when we went to the, or whatever year it was when we went, it's about six

731
01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:29,610
years ago when we went to the two-acre track, two-acre spacing, we're well-north

732
01:05:29,610 --> 01:05:35,210
population-wise now than what we were then. And the amount of, the amount of,

733
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:39,710
a platted developments that come through this court are staggering and that's, that is,

734
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:44,230
that was my concern, what triggered the call to you, Kathy, and asked for this

735
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:50,650
presentation because I just personally think that we're up against a wall on a two-acre

736
01:05:50,650 --> 01:06:00,410
spacing. I'm very concerned about that and would strongly urge the rest of our court to

737
01:06:00,410 --> 01:06:03,050
consider moving to a three-acre spacing.

738
01:06:03,610 --> 01:06:08,070
So kind of back on what your statement was, Commissioner Woolie, and I think I've

739
01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:12,850
showed you a diagram of the lots around the godly area that were too acre.

740
01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:17,810
They went in and built and placed a well, but the well was not good.

741
01:06:18,050 --> 01:06:22,770
And the ability to re-drill that well did not exist because of how everything was already

742
01:06:22,770 --> 01:06:28,070
situated with their septic field, the driveway, the head all that right away at the front

743
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:29,210
that they couldn't even use.

744
01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:36,710
The people didn't realize they had that much right away gone like I'm paying taxes for

745
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:42,670
something I can't use and the wife was hysterical because she needed the well so it was crazy.

746
01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:43,930
Yeah.

747
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:53,650
It's just like that when we had the other day that it met our regulations so we were bound

748
01:06:53,650 --> 01:07:02,090
to approve it. But it just spells disaster. And we're getting down to those, and I've said it

749
01:07:02,090 --> 01:07:08,290
several times, we're getting down to smaller tracks, and they're becoming more and more challenging

750
01:07:08,290 --> 01:07:15,650
to subdivide, and developers are getting more and more, and I'll use the word creative loosely.

751
01:07:16,930 --> 01:07:22,230
And it's whenever you think about plugging water wells in septic in on those tracks,

752
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:25,330
It is not a good situation for the future.

753
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,220
Well, I was going to make comment.

754
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:41,540
I like the thought of maybe looking at a developer having a $1,000 study done for the

755
01:07:41,540 --> 01:07:41,840
plan.

756
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:43,320
It's not a $1,000 study.

757
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:51,200
That's $1,000 to review the study that they paid for, $1,000 to the district for a review.

758
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:57,040
if they do a true groundwater availability certification those can cost

759
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,440
anywhere for $50 to $70,000 depending on the

760
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,780
Well, everything has to be reasonable.

761
01:08:07,180 --> 01:08:09,300
Maybe a little less depending on who.

762
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:16,000
Yeah, when you start doing all this high cost stuff when you start going through

763
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,960
through yaker, minimums, you're going to start killing growth.

764
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:29,700
Now I'm okay with that if it warrants it, but if it doesn't warrant it, I'm not just

765
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:35,100
as one court member, I'm not favorable going through yakers, but I

766
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,260
think Governors

767
01:08:38,260 --> 01:08:39,440
getting too involved there.

768
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:47,320
So we're just here to present information for y'all's benefit and some of these decisions

769
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,900
need to be the courts, like somebody said,

770
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,680
Jocke had to adopt something more restricted

771
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,320
than the district, but I think if we look at managing

772
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,700
that resource better through the studies,

773
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,580
the identify, is that water resource there

774
01:09:01,580 --> 01:09:02,300
and to what level.

775
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:05,880
And sometimes it might mean that we're going to make

776
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,040
a recommendation well to be drilled deeper,

777
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,600
where there's more water availability,

778
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,200
but it's going to be a greater cost on that homeowner

779
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,660
to drill deeper, but at the same time

780
01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:21,040
that assurance that they have long-term water might be the value that's received there.

781
01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:27,020
Well, you think they'd want that, you know. They may say no at the time. And again,

782
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:31,300
it may be that same thing came back. You just drove development away, but.

783
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,360
I know my son when he drove the house, I think he went down 647 and to the second

784
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:48,530
We have the first second trendy, the one over in some county.

785
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:50,170
What's the shallower?

786
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:51,570
Plugsy.

787
01:09:52,350 --> 01:09:54,050
And then what's the other one?

788
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:54,650
Woodbind.

789
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:55,370
Woodbind.

790
01:09:55,790 --> 01:10:02,110
So basically there's four, probably more if you want to go deeper, but there's four primary.

791
01:10:02,450 --> 01:10:05,510
Right, but as you go, Jay, the water quality gets less.

792
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:10,310
doesn't okay so you know the very and

793
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:14,280
I believe it's where the well went

794
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,160
dry and the gentleman was having the baby is swimming pool you know that

795
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,840
subdivision out there spring range was sort of what brought this to everybody's

796
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,780
attention certainly the commissioners court you know they had 70 acres out there

797
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:35,760
or 70 lots one acre lots every lot out there has its own individual well so in

798
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,960
And at one area, you got 70 straws out there, drawing out of one.

799
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,440
Yes, there's swimming pools, and a lot of amenities used in the coastal water.

800
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,180
And I say that to say that I believe those people that live out there, those homeowners

801
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:56,820
that have spent their life savings and still making payments on that 30-year mortgage, those

802
01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:05,120
homeowners would have probably appreciated that developer having to do some sort of a

803
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:13,700
study to be able to guarantee water for them because of just what Paul said

804
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:16,300
a while ago, you know, they went in there, they spent everything they had for

805
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:20,380
down payment or making huge payments and now they can't even and now they're out of

806
01:11:20,380 --> 01:11:26,160
water. But when they bought those homes, they were they bought them as if, hey,

807
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,060
we're on well water, you know, all we're having to do is play the electric bill, we

808
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:34,220
don't have water bill and we got water from now on and it didn't happen.

809
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:54,400
So I think, Commissioner, how that was another situation where they had an opportunity to participate within Johnson County's side, but the developer chose not to go into the Wales and so probably market it, advertise it to them, you know, no mud tax, no water tax, you know, so made it a little more appetizing.

810
01:11:56,020 --> 01:12:02,560
So, you know, when Kathy mentioned the potential cost of the water certification study,

811
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,920
the, I mean, it seemed like a lot of money, you know, she, I think she said $40,000,

812
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,680
or $50,000, but, you know, could be quite a bit less, could be 40, could be 30,

813
01:12:11,860 --> 01:12:17,600
depending on the situation for that study to be done, the certification to be done,

814
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,280
but think about the cost of the subdivision.

815
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:28,720
And so to install a 12-inch water main today, in 2022, you're looking at roughly $80 a foot.

816
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:33,780
And five years ago, it was $40 a foot.

817
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:37,200
So, yes, that cost is astronomical.

818
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,940
So, you know, see, if water wells go in for each lot, well, those water mains are not going in.

819
01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:53,940
So, it's wrong to think that the cost of the study is an additional cost for the

820
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:58,240
developer because there's a lot of other costs that he's not going to be participating

821
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,140
in, because he's not putting in water means he's not putting in fire hyders.

822
01:13:01,900 --> 01:13:06,860
So, which is something else to think about, if the subdivision is going in with all water

823
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:10,040
There are no firewills, there is no firewires, there is no water system.

824
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,560
So let's know they're down side there too.

825
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:19,780
But the cost can level out, but the security comes from the people buying that law or

826
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:24,740
building that home knowing that they have a longevity in their water supply.

827
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,480
They don't have water, they don't have anything.

828
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:27,200
Yeah.

829
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:36,360
So I'd hate to let the cost of the water supply certification study deter anything from

830
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,660
Yes, the smaller the mom and pop, put a mobile home in the backyard from a kid.

831
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,440
Yes, that's apples and oranges.

832
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:47,240
Yeah, I agree.

833
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:49,660
I'll make two final statements.

834
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,460
All right, we'll get out of here.

835
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,420
I know we've got budget discussions, but the other benefit that we've seen in other parts

836
01:13:56,420 --> 01:14:01,000
of the state, if you go in on public water systems is just, you have plumbing in place.

837
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,100
So if your water supply in the future, if one of them dries up or goes bad,

838
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:11,160
And you can secure another one at a regional level and you can still have the pumping and

839
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,000
distribution system move it if they go in on individual wells.

840
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:20,960
And after everything's developed, you want to talk about bringing in and plumbing a community

841
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,740
after it's all developed and everybody's living there in the schools are built.

842
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:27,340
And you're digging up roads and stopping traffic.

843
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:28,720
It's just cost prohibitive.

844
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:34,400
And the final thing is growth's coming to you guys no matter what.

845
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,420
It doesn't matter, you can be the most responsible water folks on the planet of the most

846
01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:44,140
irresponsible, but the growth is coming because you haven't got something that the

847
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:48,300
Metroplex doesn't have anymore on this land, and all those people are coming your way

848
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:48,700
and you know.

849
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:53,680
So we're here to help any way we can and we appreciate y'all hearing us out this morning.

850
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,320
Well, thank you've done a good job.

851
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:55,920
Thank you.

852
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,860
We appreciate our relationship, working relation.

853
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:19,320
Chair. Waters kind of lock that land. You can't make it. And they're not making any more land. We can't make water. So it's a, it's a cripple situation. Thank y'all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kathy. I know this was fairly short notice and appreciate you rounding all these guys up.

854
01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:30,040
Oh, good.

855
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:36,620
Take a quick break. You're going to keep going.

856
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:45,680
Okay. Let's go and get a main back.

857
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,400
in session.

858
01:15:51,260 --> 01:15:55,560
At this time we'll come out of workshop session and we'll go back into regular session.

859
01:15:57,060 --> 01:16:03,320
We're down to unfinished business. Josh is not going to be here today. I told him I'd cover it.

860
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:11,120
There's no reporting unless the sheriff's update is on his administration building.

861
01:16:11,820 --> 01:16:12,440
Thank you.

862
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:14,820
Sure for you in making comments.

863
01:16:18,190 --> 01:16:21,610
Yes, it's moving but it's moving slowly. We're waiting,

864
01:16:21,610 --> 01:16:26,150
We're told middle August, we're going to get our membrane that we need to seal the roof.

865
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:29,430
Once that gets done, we should move pretty quick.

866
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:34,390
I think the supply chain issues for the rest of it are going to be better.

867
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:39,150
But that is one thing that's held us up, but other than that, it seems to be going well.

868
01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:40,470
Okay, good deal.

869
01:16:41,210 --> 01:16:42,230
There'll be no action.

870
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:45,770
Anyone else having comments on ARB?

871
01:16:51,810 --> 01:16:55,990
Okay, next item is a workshop item.

872
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:56,970
The

873
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,840
new business items will deal with that if we get through our budget workshop.

874
01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:14,340
Let's go down to number five, under new business.

875
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,820
That's consideration to advertise for business proposals, right?

876
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:20,680
Nothing good, Judge.

877
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:21,280
Okay.

878
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:31,080
Item six is consideration for the 2022 chief funds very redirected to the Northern

879
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:37,780
in a competent services to replace the wireless power technology with true fiber to the home

880
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:41,200
technology for the Southwest portion of Johnson County.

881
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:47,100
Landy has submitted a request just to update the court.

882
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:53,220
I'm sure the court remembers, boy, you've always taken this cheap money and used it as county

883
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:54,520
funds.

884
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,480
There's Landy still be right there.

885
01:18:00,030 --> 01:18:00,770
You see him over there?

886
01:18:00,990 --> 01:18:01,310
I'm sorry.

887
01:18:02,130 --> 01:18:03,190
Come on up to the mic.

888
01:18:03,190 --> 01:18:04,750
Come on up in the mic, Mandy.

889
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:10,470
I didn't want anything, I just want you to feel pressured.

890
01:18:15,230 --> 01:18:18,830
I thought you were tired, I thought you was already gone and you're sitting right here.

891
01:18:19,930 --> 01:18:21,810
Soon, very soon, very soon.

892
01:18:22,810 --> 01:18:23,150
Yes, sir,

893
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:30,930
every year the Court has the ability to pull its chief funds that comes from the

894
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:35,590
member dividend capital credit checks that we have to unfortunately send back to the state

895
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:40,950
every three years for those who have the move addresses that are not available.

896
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:47,190
So there's a group of checks, if you will, that are sheeted, held for three years, and

897
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:49,410
then we have to sheet that back to the state.

898
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:54,010
The county has the ability to pull those monies back into the county, and

899
01:18:54,010 --> 01:18:58,030
they're from United Co-operative Members from Johnson County.

900
01:18:58,030 --> 01:19:04,330
So each county can have access to these cheetah checks for the members in their county.

901
01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:07,890
So it's just one of those things that we wanted you to consider.

902
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:14,850
Don't know if it's possible, I do not know the path that those cheetah funds take when they make it back to the county.

903
01:19:15,330 --> 01:19:21,410
But this is about the time of the year, I think Judge, when y'all send the request in on annual basis.

904
01:19:21,410 --> 01:19:31,890
And we made a presentation earlier about taking the fiber technology and replacing the fixed wireless tower technology

905
01:19:32,410 --> 01:19:36,970
because the fixed wireless technology works well if you got a line of sight.

906
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:43,930
If you don't have a line of sight, you just don't have the good service that it's going to solve some problems for some people,

907
01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:48,150
but it won't close that digital divide that everybody keeps talking about.

908
01:19:48,150 --> 01:19:50,550
Not truly close at digital divide.

909
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:56,910
A person two miles down the road can have a gig service or 500 megabit service, but

910
01:19:56,910 --> 01:20:02,250
because it's fixed wireless, they only have access to 100, it's better, 100 is better

911
01:20:02,250 --> 01:20:06,410
than zero, but you're still not closing that digital divide that's out there.

912
01:20:06,570 --> 01:20:10,990
So it was just a thought, we were discussing one day, the funds that are available.

913
01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:17,590
That gap between doing fiber to the home and fixed wireless is one that creates problems

914
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:22,250
for the Feasibility Study, it pushes the Feasibility Study further out into the future.

915
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:27,930
So we've applied for grants, still waiting on that word by we waiting for a while.

916
01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:32,550
Larry, I may not be able to see whether we get an answer on that, if in on my retirement

917
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:32,850
day.

918
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:39,890
But it was just a consideration at maybe this year we use these Ascited funds that are from

919
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:45,090
the members of the United, plow it back in, reinvest it back into United members through

920
01:20:45,090 --> 01:20:49,890
this program, just for y'all's consideration, but keep the money in our counties,

921
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:53,710
suppose to send it to that dark hole that y'all know is live and well in Austin,

922
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:59,450
Texas. You said that, I didn't. Now, we've all used to request the money and just put it in our general

923
01:20:59,450 --> 01:21:08,070
fund, but I remember correctly. But any question you have, but yeah, what I'd love to have Johnson

924
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:12,330
County be known is the first county in the state of Texas that fiber to the home, everywhere,

925
01:21:12,330 --> 01:21:16,290
were unavailable to the area, had a question while I go,

926
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:18,110
when are we going to get to P.K. Lake?

927
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:20,770
When are we going to get to Somerville County?

928
01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:22,430
When are we going to get to E.W. Rath County?

929
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:26,810
So the draw and the pool for that information,

930
01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:30,090
the pool for that new service is there.

931
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:32,770
They told us in the very beginning that the hardest thing

932
01:21:32,770 --> 01:21:34,550
to manage would be the members' expectations,

933
01:21:35,230 --> 01:21:36,990
and that has turned out to be the true.

934
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:40,550
You've got all kinds of problems between water and sewer,

935
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:47,370
and I get all that streets, the internet thing is really expanded in this COVID year,

936
01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:53,230
it kind of blew it up, if you will, but it's a good thing, if we're filling that gap.

937
01:21:56,420 --> 01:22:00,660
Roughly $275,000 is the funds.

938
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:07,300
In the years passing for $272.80, this year should be a little bit more because more

939
01:22:07,300 --> 01:22:11,960
We got us cheated back to the state this year, so somewhere in that range, yes sir.

940
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:19,960
We did an estimate a while back, the cost to replace fiber to the home in this southwest

941
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:27,540
part of the territory with, to replace a tower is about $474,000, $50,000 per tower.

942
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,840
So if we can get rid of those towers, and it's not going to do much, but at least it'll get

943
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,380
rid of half a wand or get rid of some.

944
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:35,980
But-

945
01:22:35,980 --> 01:22:43,200
Well, you're still on all your current customers playing on fire, just regular in-gram, fiber, or-

946
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:43,420
Poe.

947
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:50,420
Yeah, but there were originally eight towers planned for the Southwest part because of the low density.

948
01:22:51,340 --> 01:22:56,480
Matter of fact, the retreat was one of those examples of- there was going to be- try to be a fixed wireless-

949
01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:59,420
our planned, a fixed wireless tower and know the retreat.

950
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:04,480
We're going to have to go with fiber to the home and that- and it's- we hope we can find the same

951
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,180
and trenches that we dug several years ago,

952
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:08,080
because you know how much rock there is out there

953
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:08,960
in that area.

954
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,180
You come across an I-16 upon my hill.

955
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:13,140
Yeah, no, no, we're not thinking of that.

956
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,700
That's another call off.

957
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:16,340
That's Hill Co.

958
01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:21,980
Actually, that's a good question, because we have had

959
01:23:21,980 --> 01:23:24,460
several co-ops, neighboring co-ops come to us say,

960
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,040
can you get to our members as well?

961
01:23:27,700 --> 01:23:29,960
And we have to serve our members first,

962
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,820
but then we will move out into others.

963
01:23:31,820 --> 01:23:41,300
We've had City of Cleveland, City of King, City of Godly come to a city can y'all serve in the city and we will eventually, but we're going to get our members serve first.

964
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,140
Well, I know my son loves his fiber.

965
01:23:45,260 --> 01:23:46,940
He was one of the fortunate ones.

966
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:53,260
He was lucky to be right next to the backbone as it's being built from Burleson all the way over to Stephenville.

967
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:56,800
He was right there along that way, so that was a good spot to be in.

968
01:24:01,060 --> 01:24:07,660
I thought I'd put on the agenda like I say in the past, we've just used it to offset

969
01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:14,640
other expenses the county has, but out of all fairness, I put on the agenda for the

970
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,740
court to make that decision.

971
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:23,680
We, uh, Steve, this, this, uh, this dollar amounts as far as what we've done thus far,

972
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:29,600
were these already encumbered or, or they projected to come to?

973
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,180
No, they're not encumbered.

974
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:32,140
They're not encumbered.

975
01:24:36,460 --> 01:24:41,280
Now, this is just money that helps us in our budget process and everything else.

976
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:50,170
And the numbers that you've been working up, though, in the last few days, is this part of it?

977
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:50,630
Yes.

978
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:51,250
Okay.

979
01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:54,070
Glenn, you brought in a question to my mind.

980
01:24:54,570 --> 01:25:00,910
You said this is just, this money is just, you got a copy of customers only?

981
01:25:01,710 --> 01:25:06,310
Yeah, but what about the others cheap money that other agencies have?

982
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:10,170
Yeah, the local property code that allows the county to go back and

983
01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:17,610
pull these dollars back down from the state is limited to the electric cooperative capital credits.

984
01:25:17,950 --> 01:25:20,290
We call them member dividends that are cheated back.

985
01:25:22,690 --> 01:25:28,850
And if it would help the courts, we can, just like we were talking with the opera

986
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:35,970
funding, we can turn in expenses of money spent on the actual fiber and turn in

987
01:25:35,970 --> 01:25:37,110
and get a reimbursement.

988
01:25:37,390 --> 01:25:43,490
That works well to, if that helps the y'all side and the bookkeeping side of the one.

989
01:25:43,810 --> 01:25:44,990
And this is based on three years.

990
01:25:45,810 --> 01:25:49,110
Yeah, basically, this is from three years ago, that is correct.

991
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:54,270
Rick, we have to hold it for three years in case someone comes back to claim those checks.

992
01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:58,890
Those that are unclaimed, after the three-year period goes back to the state each year.

993
01:25:58,930 --> 01:26:02,130
So the request is for the three-year toll?

994
01:26:02,990 --> 01:26:07,750
Well, each year, y'all will get from what we submitted three years ago.

995
01:26:07,970 --> 01:26:15,750
So this summer, when y'all turn in your request, they will go back to that three-year period that we turned in and they will pull those monies down.

996
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:19,610
So next year, I think y'all, well, y'all've done this for the last three years.

997
01:26:19,770 --> 01:26:23,030
The 2020 check was 278.047.

998
01:26:23,770 --> 01:26:26,750
The 2021 was 286.243.

999
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:28,070
That is correct.

1000
01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:32,010
And I'm assuming it'll be at least 280 if not for the next year.

1001
01:26:32,130 --> 01:26:32,870
Do you say 252?

1002
01:26:33,230 --> 01:26:33,890
Yes sir.

1003
01:26:41,460 --> 01:26:42,760
Anyway, thank you all for your time.

1004
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:43,880
You bet, Landy.

1005
01:26:43,940 --> 01:26:44,540
Thank you sir.

1006
01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:46,200
I appreciate you.

1007
01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:48,790
You bet.

1008
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,180
If we come out of workshop or something, come back to this or you want?

1009
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:24,040
Well, I mean to, well, we go in further as far as

1010
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,920
the budget we need to see where we're

1011
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:31,420
at with this.

1012
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:38,160
When you say that we submit that to the state to draw down, does that mean they're going

1013
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:42,860
to come back and draw down out of our General Fund for the last three years for these $2.

1014
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:49,240
Well, I think in the past, Steve, you might correct me on this, but we've just taken

1015
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,880
in the seat funds and put into our general fund account.

1016
01:27:55,580 --> 01:27:59,460
Well, they are recorded as revenue from, yeah.

1017
01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:02,060
That's one of the revenue streams and

1018
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:07,660
I'm not sure

1019
01:28:07,660 --> 01:28:09,280
that when we get those from the state,

1020
01:28:09,380 --> 01:28:12,320
are there other electric co-ops in the county?

1021
01:28:13,660 --> 01:28:13,980
Hill co.

1022
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,420
So we would get all, we would get that would come together.

1023
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,080
You know, I have never since I've been here,

1024
01:28:21,220 --> 01:28:24,740
can we recall receiving anything on Hill co?

1025
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,260
They're providing our county. I'm certain there's something there somewhere.

1026
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:34,540
Well, that money gets us cheated to the state and they send it back.

1027
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:35,000
Yeah, I know.

1028
01:28:35,260 --> 01:28:38,780
Still, I don't know how we would differentiate unless the...

1029
01:28:38,780 --> 01:28:40,240
I mean, I haven't actually looked at the check.

1030
01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:44,560
But we don't have to make a decision on this today,

1031
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:47,420
but I wanted to present it to the court.

1032
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:52,460
I think there's maybe just a little bit of a discrepancy on these numbers.

1033
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:53,800
So,

1034
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:02,980
I would think that the auditor needs to verify those funds and either co-op and come back later.

1035
01:29:03,580 --> 01:29:07,240
Okay, all right, so go ahead, Laney.

1036
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:08,460
Confirmary what you're saying.

1037
01:29:08,740 --> 01:29:14,520
So, I mean, what y'all can do, the check probably has already, the process has already started.

1038
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:19,460
Now, whether you've gotten your check this year or not, it's probably any day now, then the next month or so.

1039
01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:23,360
So could you all usually get it about this time of the year, the check back from the state?

1040
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:27,220
That go direct to your office state or the county treasurer.

1041
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,940
So the idea would be, let's wait and see what the state allocates back to y'all.

1042
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:41,660
And then y'all make a decision at that time, whether you wanted to birth those funds, to be used specifically for replacement of that.

1043
01:29:42,020 --> 01:29:45,920
Because it fits within the guidelines of what you can use it under the property code for,

1044
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:52,680
for economic development, a sustainment for the county, so it fits the purposes.

1045
01:29:52,940 --> 01:29:54,100
Okay, thank you, Laney.

1046
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,420
All right, we'll just pass on it.

1047
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:59,000
Let's go to item seven.

1048
01:30:00,460 --> 01:30:27,500
At 67, fire 4, county road 3, 19, in person for, Jennifer. Thank you, Judge. This is a piece of property that was previously landlocked, had been for quite a bit of time, had not been platted. And the current owners were able to purchase 60 foot, frontage to get back to the piece of property. They're just asking for a variant since it's not 150 foot.

1049
01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:33,790
This is kind of one of those unique situations.

1050
01:30:33,790 --> 01:30:40,970
It's been the case for, I think, 60 years, something like that.

1051
01:30:41,190 --> 01:30:41,930
What about red?

1052
01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:48,650
And otherwise these folks are not going to be able to, without a variance, they're not

1053
01:30:48,650 --> 01:30:51,210
going to be able to get a building permit on that property.

1054
01:30:53,610 --> 01:31:01,560
They did, this is not an easement, it's a deeded owned tractor land that provides them with

1055
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:05,700
the 60-foot roadway and 60-foot road of road friends.

1056
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,980
They plan on just building one house on it for.

1057
01:31:10,340 --> 01:31:13,600
It's my understanding that it's for single-family use,

1058
01:31:13,780 --> 01:31:18,740
but at least at 60-foot wide so that if a future owner should decide to subdivide it,

1059
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,060
they would have the right-of-way width required for a road.

1060
01:31:24,570 --> 01:31:27,710
But they're right now. They're not wanting to develop it in the subdivision.

1061
01:31:27,710 --> 01:31:30,110
They're just wanting access to build their house.

1062
01:31:30,570 --> 01:31:33,290
Otherwise, I got 17 acres, not worth much.

1063
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:33,690
Correct.

1064
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:37,010
And you said it's been landlocked back there for years.

1065
01:31:37,310 --> 01:31:38,210
For quite a while, yes, sir.

1066
01:31:38,430 --> 01:31:42,810
This is an example of one of those pieces of property that was mentioned early that,

1067
01:31:44,290 --> 01:31:47,730
without making some exception to the rule, we're trying to let them do something,

1068
01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:51,370
it's undevelopable, never be able to do anything with it.

1069
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:55,930
Since it's 60 foot, that's the width of a road.

1070
01:31:56,450 --> 01:31:56,630
Correct.

1071
01:31:56,630 --> 01:31:57,610
So

1072
01:31:59,660 --> 01:32:08,340
I'm going to move that we approve this variance at 67-44-Caneroed 319 for 60-foot road

1073
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:08,800
frontings.

1074
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:10,600
I'll second.

1075
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:12,520
Motion, commercial.

1076
01:32:13,060 --> 01:32:18,760
Who will be second by commercial value to give a variance at 67-44-Caneroed 319?

1077
01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:24,740
And again, I think this is just an exceptional situation that is worthy of a variance.

1078
01:32:27,420 --> 01:32:32,720
We all see them from time to time that aren't, but I think given the circumstances here.

1079
01:32:33,540 --> 01:32:37,480
Well, that's why I'm glad we can have a variance individually, you know.

1080
01:32:37,500 --> 01:32:37,900
Yes, sir.

1081
01:32:38,140 --> 01:32:40,540
We looked at the individual case by case base.

1082
01:32:41,060 --> 01:32:41,220
Okay.

1083
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,500
The motion, commission, the second, commission, belly, all in favor, aye?

1084
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:45,860
Aye.

1085
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:46,760
Any opposed?

1086
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:49,220
No one opposed that motion carries.

1087
01:32:50,500 --> 01:32:51,520
Next one is consideration.

1088
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,680
question and variance, request the 40-foot road front.

1089
01:32:53,820 --> 01:33:02,700
Each one can road 1107A and 120.9 road frontage on can road 12.5.

1090
01:33:05,250 --> 01:33:06,170
It's pretty simple.

1091
01:33:06,410 --> 01:33:07,130
And pretty simple.

1092
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:10,070
Yeah, I, 0.678 acres.

1093
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:13,250
Well, this one is not the same scenario.

1094
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:17,070
This basically is, they don't have the 150 foot on the frontage,

1095
01:33:17,070 --> 01:33:21,790
but they've got two and a half acres here coming off of the 12.5.

1096
01:33:21,790 --> 01:33:29,890
But they basically just want to be able to go out on to 1107 on the backside of the property.

1097
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:37,970
It basically just gives them a complete path through their two-and-a-half acres to go out onto 1107A.

1098
01:33:38,590 --> 01:33:39,370
And I

1099
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:44,080
thought it would be up.

1100
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:54,960
When we're looking at this survey here, it's the 2.67 acres is that the track in question?

1101
01:33:55,140 --> 01:33:55,280
Yes.

1102
01:33:56,340 --> 01:34:03,500
It was previously subdivided without being platted, the plack requirement, how it wasn't

1103
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:08,040
in place at that time or given certain circumstances it wasn't required.

1104
01:34:08,980 --> 01:34:13,440
And so this piece of property hasn't changed size or shape in a number of years, but

1105
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:19,140
But now they're ready to ask for permits for this piece of property, so that's why they've

1106
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:25,780
requested the variance since they don't meet the 150 foot on either side of this semi-corner

1107
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:26,060
lot.

1108
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:32,940
And got into that kind of a flag lot that we dealt with in the past, and it looks just like

1109
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:34,040
a flag, doesn't it?

1110
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,360
Yeah, but the difference is this flag, part of it actually goes into another row.

1111
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:39,340
They do have for sure.

1112
01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:39,960
Oh, that's right.

1113
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:44,660
Yeah, there's access on two. That's the only reason we're here. Yeah, he's got access

1114
01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:51,200
120 foot access on another county road on county road, 1205. Well, can we stipulate the

1115
01:34:53,060 --> 01:34:55,080
I guess worry takes his road in?

1116
01:34:59,790 --> 01:35:04,890
He's got the 120 foot frontage there. That's what I mean. Yeah, well that's where the road

1117
01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:10,690
that is defined as where the road will go in and then it'll go out on the 1107A

1118
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:16,690
as one parcel not is broken up for two acres or split it up, or what have you.

1119
01:35:16,690 --> 01:35:20,430
Again, at this point in time, I don't believe their intention is to further subdivide

1120
01:35:20,430 --> 01:35:24,750
the property, and there may already be an existing driveway from either of these points

1121
01:35:24,750 --> 01:35:29,270
of access, they just need it recorded, that they have permission to ask for permits

1122
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:31,630
since they do not have 150 foot-of-frontage.

1123
01:35:31,790 --> 01:35:32,010
Okay.

1124
01:35:35,050 --> 01:35:40,290
As I said, this one's a little different than the last one, but certainly it's a cleanup,

1125
01:35:40,290 --> 01:35:45,370
up if you will, but it gives them two accesses on two separate county roads, and it's not

1126
01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:51,090
an obstruction there, and it's not a watershed flow in the drainage side of that, on the

1127
01:35:51,090 --> 01:35:51,610
other side.

1128
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:59,050
Well, actually they have, if you take the 120.99 plus the 40, they actually have 100 feet

1129
01:35:59,050 --> 01:36:00,070
foot road for each.

1130
01:36:00,390 --> 01:36:02,230
It's just a few different locations.

1131
01:36:02,830 --> 01:36:03,490
Two different roads.

1132
01:36:04,030 --> 01:36:06,130
Yeah, but I think it's got to be specific on variance.

1133
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:06,650
Oh, yeah.

1134
01:36:06,650 --> 01:36:14,950
Yeah, yeah, that's a little bit of a stretch and I'm together. It's 160.99 feet of road

1135
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:19,870
front. It's just in two different spots. Yeah, but this is one that also got kind of painted

1136
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:25,750
into the corner prior to the subdivision rules. Yeah, it did. Judge, I moved to prove these

1137
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:28,870
There's a variance is 11 or 7, 8, 12 or 5.

1138
01:36:29,330 --> 01:36:29,810
Okay, thank you.

1139
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:33,550
I have a motion, Mr. Bailey, seconded by Commissioner Woolley

1140
01:36:34,180 --> 01:36:37,810
to approve the variance any further discussion.

1141
01:36:38,770 --> 01:36:39,950
All in favor, aye.

1142
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:41,490
Anyone oppose?

1143
01:36:41,930 --> 01:36:44,170
No one opposes that motion carries.

1144
01:36:44,450 --> 01:36:44,730
Thank you.

1145
01:36:44,850 --> 01:36:45,690
All right, thanks, Jennifer.

1146
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:51,150
Number nine, consideration of ad service request number two,

1147
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:54,210
the Johnson County 9-1-1 call center

1148
01:36:54,210 --> 01:37:03,070
for a geo-tech engineering services performed on June 14, 2022, the amount of $2,600 to be paid

1149
01:37:03,070 --> 01:37:05,170
to rob a Durham architecture facility.

1150
01:37:07,410 --> 01:37:09,530
I'm just going to go ahead and recommend that we get

1151
01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:15,870
this paid. Robert went ahead and out of his funds and paid for it so this would be a reimbursement

1152
01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:16,370
to him.

1153
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:20,990
Steve, you see any issues with that?

1154
01:37:20,990 --> 01:37:25,170
But do you say that again, please judge, I was thinking about that.

1155
01:37:25,530 --> 01:37:34,510
This is a Robert Durham, one head and ordered a geotechnical engineering service performed

1156
01:37:34,510 --> 01:37:41,190
on the property that we're going to build our 911 dispatch center paid for it out of his

1157
01:37:41,190 --> 01:37:43,230
pocket in the amount of $2,600.

1158
01:37:44,150 --> 01:37:46,950
So this would be a reimbursement to Robert Durham.

1159
01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:50,380
Was it in the scope of work?

1160
01:37:50,380 --> 01:37:56,280
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here in time motion.

1161
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,460
Well, Judge, we've got to get that 9-1-1 center

1162
01:38:06,460 --> 01:38:11,930
under way and he's already taken care of it. I'll make the motion that we approve it. Okay.

1163
01:38:13,670 --> 01:38:16,150
I'll second it with a question. Okay.

1164
01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:23,710
We're using ARK for that. So that should probably be

1165
01:38:23,710 --> 01:38:29,890
in the motion. I'll restate the motion as we go through with paying the $2,600 to Mr. Durham,

1166
01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:32,310
from our architect and it will be taken out of our performance.

1167
01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:33,650
And I'll be in my second.

1168
01:38:33,970 --> 01:38:34,250
All right.

1169
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:36,090
I have to amend the motion of commission of how?

1170
01:38:36,670 --> 01:38:38,350
Minus a second by commission of what?

1171
01:38:38,610 --> 01:38:43,810
To pay the $2,600 to be paid out of our befunding.

1172
01:38:43,810 --> 01:38:45,690
For the 9-1-1 district center.

1173
01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:47,450
All in favor, aye?

1174
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:48,630
Any opposed?

1175
01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:51,590
No one opposed to that motion carries.

1176
01:39:01,180 --> 01:39:01,540
OK.

1177
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:04,540
Item 10 is consideration of adoption agreement

1178
01:39:04,540 --> 01:39:07,580
for the health reimbursement arrangement,

1179
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,940
and now to us client information farm implementation.

1180
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:13,940
Tell us, how are you, sir?

1181
01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:15,680
Thank you for coming.

1182
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:16,420
Thank you.

1183
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:17,200
Awesome.

1184
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,800
So just a couple of weeks ago on the July 25th,

1185
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,620
we had Paula join us.

1186
01:39:22,620 --> 01:39:24,040
She's our representative from Alaris.

1187
01:39:24,620 --> 01:39:27,080
You all were able to prove through the HRA.

1188
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:29,800
So we are in the implementation phase right now,

1189
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,360
and we're on track for a 10-1 implementation of this HRA.

1190
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:38,460
In front of you, I've got two forms, the client information form and the adoption

1191
01:39:38,460 --> 01:39:43,700
agreement. A lot of this, the client information form is indicating who's going to be

1192
01:39:43,700 --> 01:39:48,960
responsible for getting portal logins with the county. It's also giving a little bit

1193
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:54,720
of information on the specifics of what's included in our HRA, like how it's going

1194
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,480
to be paid out, how it works with the duct bull and the medical plan.

1195
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:04,120
the adoption agreement is a little bit longer, and that goes through the more detailed

1196
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,260
specifics of what the plan is going to cover.

1197
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:12,960
So, just a refresher for you, our deductible is going to go up this year from medical

1198
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:18,700
from 1,000 to 2,000 for individuals, the way that we're going to kind of take that cost

1199
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:22,460
away from the employee's responsibility is by implementing an HRA.

1200
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:27,180
What that means is our deductibles are now going to be 2,000 as of October 1st.

1201
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:31,680
Once an employee has met $1,000 towards their deductible, they can start getting

1202
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,720
reimbursed for the other $1,000.

1203
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:38,260
So effectively, employees are going to have no impact to the amount that they're

1204
01:40:38,260 --> 01:40:41,200
going to be spending on health care through the deductible.

1205
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:48,180
There are a couple minuscule updates that we've made since the version that we handed

1206
01:40:48,180 --> 01:40:48,780
out beforehand.

1207
01:40:48,980 --> 01:40:51,440
I think Laura has handed out the newest ones.

1208
01:40:51,620 --> 01:40:55,840
And that's just, I've got highlighted here that on the claim are the client information

1209
01:40:55,840 --> 01:41:00,680
form. We added the date of first payroll deduction. That's about halfway down the page.

1210
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:05,440
Towards the bottom of the page, we added in a little bit of information on the RX drug

1211
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:11,220
copays. And then on page two of the client information form in the section that's marked

1212
01:41:11,220 --> 01:41:17,540
HRA information, we did make a slight adjustment to how that is worded. But that's just because

1213
01:41:17,540 --> 01:41:22,800
of how the deductible is embedded. That's really just technical things. That one will need

1214
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,640
signature on the very last page.

1215
01:41:24,900 --> 01:41:27,880
The adoption agreement doesn't need a signature from you all.

1216
01:41:27,980 --> 01:41:29,880
I don't believe it just needs to be approved through.

1217
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:36,800
And it's just laying out, once again, how the HRA is going to cover medical expenses

1218
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:37,820
towards the end.

1219
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,100
What's your name again?

1220
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:39,800
My name is Adam.

1221
01:41:40,180 --> 01:41:41,780
I apologize for coming.

1222
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:42,080
It's okay.

1223
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:43,020
I don't think.

1224
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:45,440
Okay.

1225
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:46,600
I didn't tell you in motion.

1226
01:41:50,450 --> 01:41:52,990
I had a question, but I'll ask it after I make the motion.

1227
01:41:53,170 --> 01:41:53,550
I'll go ahead and pull it.

1228
01:41:53,610 --> 01:41:54,550
I'll need to get a second.

1229
01:41:55,090 --> 01:41:58,350
I have to prove your authorization to sign it, yeah.

1230
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:58,710
Okay.

1231
01:41:58,890 --> 01:42:01,690
Well, my question was, did you say it doesn't need a signature?

1232
01:42:02,250 --> 01:42:02,970
Did you give a signature?

1233
01:42:02,970 --> 01:42:05,610
The client information form does need a signature.

1234
01:42:05,810 --> 01:42:08,050
It's absolutely asks for one on the very last page.

1235
01:42:08,530 --> 01:42:14,630
I don't see a signature form for the adoption agreement, but once we send this into

1236
01:42:14,630 --> 01:42:18,910
a Laris, this will be paid into a contract which you'll need to sign.

1237
01:42:19,130 --> 01:42:22,390
So, this one just needs your blessing to move forward in the process.

1238
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:27,910
Yeah, we set aside, I think, 140,000 to kind of supplement that.

1239
01:42:29,290 --> 01:42:37,470
You know, I'm just curious if this pushes more to seek a PPO as opposed to an HMO where we're going to be covered there.

1240
01:42:38,150 --> 01:42:40,490
Can you ask the question again, sorry, I couldn't quite get it.

1241
01:42:40,510 --> 01:42:43,230
We set aside $140,000, correct or?

1242
01:42:44,030 --> 01:43:00,250
I'm just, I'm just wanting to make sure that, you know, so many are, or may opt to go to get that supplement through a PPO, as opposed to dealing with the HMO, that we have, is that going to be adequate, you think going forward?

1243
01:43:00,430 --> 01:43:11,310
Because I know we did it on trends, is how many people are actually using that now to kind of give us the formula, but just if that increases, do you think we covered ourselves there?

1244
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:29,330
I think that 149,000 is a really good initial investment into it, just to remind everybody the last two years we took the average of how many people met their deductibles on the plan and it was about 149 people, so we've got $149,000 set to be funded into this HRA.

1245
01:43:29,330 --> 01:43:38,190
Now, if you wanted to see the maximum exposure to you all, let's pretend the absolute worst is happening, and I'm knocking on what as I say this.

1246
01:43:38,290 --> 01:43:48,390
If all 700 employees of Wood County met their deductible and started getting reimbursements, that fund would have to be 700,000.

1247
01:43:48,490 --> 01:43:54,970
But we don't expect that to happen, we expect the normal amount of people to be meeting their deductibles and seeking reimbursement.

1248
01:43:54,970 --> 01:44:01,030
The PPO, I don't think is going to make a vast difference, but we will have utilization reports coming in monthly.

1249
01:44:01,510 --> 01:44:08,750
So if we are getting up to that 149,000 amount and we may need to fund more, we'll bring that to your attention when due time.

1250
01:44:10,630 --> 01:44:12,450
All right. Any other questions?

1251
01:44:14,130 --> 01:44:18,430
I think we're probably going to recommend budgeting a little bit more than 149,000.

1252
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:19,670
But that-

1253
01:44:19,670 --> 01:44:20,930
I'm sorry, Steve, could you pull that back?

1254
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:26,070
I think we're going to recommend budgeting a little bit more than a hundred and forty-nine thousand, but

1255
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:32,690
The hope would be that we would have some seed money already in that fund to

1256
01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:39,770
Self-funded next year. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Yeah, well, that's kind of the mission here

1257
01:44:39,770 --> 01:44:40,850
Thank you. Thank you

1258
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:45,410
And the money will roll over year over year. So adding additional money would not hurt at all

1259
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:51,050
And you motion the second give me authorization to sign it. Okay

1260
01:44:51,670 --> 01:44:55,810
I want to have a motion from Commissioner Bailey, a second by Commissioner Wolley to approve

1261
01:44:55,810 --> 01:44:56,870
and to give me all the results.

1262
01:45:00,620 --> 01:45:30,220
No one opposed that motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Item 11 is consideration, authorize the purchasing agent to advertise and request proposals for RFP 2022-230 for a construction manager at risk services for the construction in Johnson County 9-1-1 call center, second step of a two-step bidding process. Right. The first step was a request for qualifications.

1263
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:48,600
which we finalized, and the second step we're asking for authorization for is to go out to the companies that made the finals on the qualifications for pricing, and we'll be sending them the final drawings.

1264
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:55,100
Good deal. Now, this is where I want to get those, so this is a good thing.

1265
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:58,650
I'd entertain a motion.

1266
01:46:02,780 --> 01:46:03,860
I'll move to approve, Judge.

1267
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,140
Motion, Commissioner Howell.

1268
01:46:08,300 --> 01:46:10,160
Seconded by Commissioner White,

1269
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:15,080
to go out for the RAP 2022-DAS-230

1270
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:20,520
for a construction management risk for our new 9-1-1 call center.

1271
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,620
This is exciting to me.

1272
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:26,660
This is something we've needed so long.

1273
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,740
Sure, if I know you'd have to be elated about it

1274
01:46:30,740 --> 01:46:40,380
And this is a big step to the county, being paid for out of the Harper funding, it's not becoming our regular, we didn't have to go out and borrow money.

1275
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,140
That's a good thing.

1276
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,860
Don't like the borrow money if we don't have to borrow it, so that's a blessing.

1277
01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:49,940
And you're exactly right, Judge.

1278
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:51,880
Just stand along this back center.

1279
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:55,980
The call center has been something this county has lacked for many years.

1280
01:46:55,980 --> 01:47:02,200
And it's been brought up several times and there just never was the money to do it.

1281
01:47:03,180 --> 01:47:04,660
Our proposal was available.

1282
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:13,080
And this is a huge step, as I've said once before in this court, the one phone number

1283
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:21,760
that everybody wants somebody to answer is 9-1-1 because when you make a call to 9-1-1,

1284
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:30,240
you're either you know her or somebody you know is hurting or possibly trying to pass away on

1285
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:35,580
you or you're in danger or you need a police officer or you need you're at you're in a you're

1286
01:47:35,580 --> 01:47:42,680
in a bad point when you got a call 911 and that's those dispatchers, those call takers, I'll hand to

1287
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:48,780
them because they're always at the other end of the phone. Brad, have you seen the plans? Yeah. Yes,

1288
01:47:48,780 --> 01:47:53,220
have and it's very impressive. I'm not seeing them. I heard that it was very impressive.

1289
01:47:53,300 --> 01:48:00,380
Yeah. Looks good. It's going to be a stellar facility. Good. All right. Any other comments?

1290
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:08,220
All in favor, I? All right. Any opposed? No one opposes that motion does carry. All right. We'll

1291
01:48:08,220 --> 01:48:17,100
see who comes out to bid on that rascal. Item 12 is approval and confirmation of appointing James

1292
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:21,600
Williams, M. Lenore, as a full-time pay deputy council

1293
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,660
pressing to fill in a vacant position in council, too.

1294
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:28,730
Good morning, sir.

1295
01:48:29,190 --> 01:48:29,590
Good morning.

1296
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:34,530
I come to you this morning to ask for the approval and confirmation of

1297
01:48:34,530 --> 01:48:37,610
appointing Michael Lenore as a deputy council.

1298
01:48:37,850 --> 01:48:42,270
He's filling a vacancy that was left by Deputy Bauer-Ryzen, who retired.

1299
01:48:42,770 --> 01:48:47,150
And I am lucky enough to have Mr. Lenore come to us

1300
01:48:47,150 --> 01:48:55,850
from the city of Willow Park where he's just retired after 20 years of service in the fire industry where he was fire chief

1301
01:48:55,850 --> 01:49:02,050
arson investigator in state fire marshal who a good addition to your staff. Yes

1302
01:49:03,110 --> 01:49:06,330
Here in time motion for approval. I'll make a motion to approve

1303
01:49:08,270 --> 01:49:13,750
Motion will commission how second my commission badly to approve any further discussion

1304
01:49:17,190 --> 01:49:32,630
It says here no bond required one correct paid employees are covered by the county reserves are bonded but paid employees are not if he was a reserve deputy you'd be getting a copy of his bond.

1305
01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:34,410
Yeah,

1306
01:49:36,910 --> 01:49:38,030
carry it under your commission.

1307
01:49:38,630 --> 01:49:39,130
Yes, sir.

1308
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,220
You going to bring him by and let me swore him, man?

1309
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:44,420
I'm sorry.

1310
01:49:44,700 --> 01:49:46,800
I said, you're going to bring him by and let me swore him, man?

1311
01:49:46,980 --> 01:49:48,600
We're actually going to have a ceremony tonight

1312
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,160
where his wife, who is also a peace officer,

1313
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:52,980
is going to be pinning his badge.

1314
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:53,580
Good deal.

1315
01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:54,180
That's good.

1316
01:49:54,940 --> 01:49:55,400
All right.

1317
01:49:55,580 --> 01:49:56,260
All in favor, aye?

1318
01:49:57,060 --> 01:49:57,480
Any opposed?

1319
01:49:59,080 --> 01:49:59,780
Anyone opposed?

1320
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,000
No one opposed is that motion carries.

1321
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:03,540
Thank you.

1322
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:04,100
Thank you.

1323
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:05,200
Thank you, Councilor.

1324
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:11,620
Item 13 is consideration and resolution by John Scouting Commission's Court in support

1325
01:50:11,620 --> 01:50:17,460
the Texas Governor's actions to prevent and are removed illegal aliens from the State

1326
01:50:17,460 --> 01:50:18,980
of Texas pressing to.

1327
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,820
Can you how you presented this?

1328
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:22,420
Yes, sir.

1329
01:50:22,780 --> 01:50:27,260
I had this put on there after some discussions with some of the gentlemen that are in the

1330
01:50:27,260 --> 01:50:27,960
crowd today.

1331
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:34,460
Some of the other counties have been doing it, and I know, you know, certainly it was mentioned

1332
01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:40,100
and they had hoped that it could be a, you know, disaster of invasion or declaration of invasion.

1333
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:50,100
And I'll, what little of the, and I want to take up for Sheriff's Department and

1334
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:56,760
David, if he's still in here, because simply the information I got was just on the arrest that were made

1335
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:10,020
in the county, in 2021 and in 2022, the amount of arrests that were actually made and housed in our facility that turned out to be illegals.

1336
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:15,800
The rest of the information, from their back, you just can't hardly find.

1337
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:23,140
And any of the welfare health type things, all of that's protected.

1338
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:26,500
nobody's gonna let you know because of HIPAA and other regulations you're not

1339
01:51:26,500 --> 01:51:30,480
gonna be able to find that information and I didn't know where to seek but I

1340
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:34,340
did seek that out through David and talk to the sheriff and what a little bit I

1341
01:51:34,340 --> 01:51:41,040
had but so therefore we made it to resolution but the reason we didn't make

1342
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:46,220
the the declaration and I'll let Bill Moore if you don't mind Bill kind of tell

1343
01:51:46,220 --> 01:51:52,920
me what you had told me earlier about the declaration of invading some of those

1344
01:51:52,920 --> 01:52:15,680
The boarder counties have declared a declaration based on the boarder counties had declared an invasion and did a declaration based upon they were on the boarder and they could readily document the number of illegal aliens crossing the boarder.

1345
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:25,580
And so based on the information I received from the Commissioner, rather than try to make

1346
01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:28,600
us a declaration, we thought it best just to do the resolution.

1347
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:37,140
Specifically, if there are certain numbers coming in, then under the government code it

1348
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:44,840
kicks over to certain criteria, but we didn't feel like we could have the documentation to

1349
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:46,520
show that there was an excellent invasion.

1350
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,260
Okay, let me hear it in our county.

1351
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:51,120
Let me read this resolution.

1352
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,280
I think it's pretty strong.

1353
01:52:52,820 --> 01:52:55,580
And by the way, I don't know if you watched the news last night.

1354
01:52:55,720 --> 01:53:02,320
Governor Abbott chipping all those illegals up to New York City.

1355
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:03,600
And

1356
01:53:06,570 --> 01:53:11,430
I think it sent a strong message to, and by the way,

1357
01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:15,530
the governor, our governor invited him down to the border

1358
01:53:15,530 --> 01:53:20,910
He declined as typical, but

1359
01:53:22,930 --> 01:53:29,930
I think Governor Abbott has done such a good job in dealing

1360
01:53:29,930 --> 01:53:37,450
with these based on law, based on these illegal aliens, and I certainly agree we are under

1361
01:53:37,450 --> 01:53:47,190
a attack, invasion, and more needs to be done.

1362
01:53:47,450 --> 01:53:49,070
But let me read this resolution.

1363
01:53:49,670 --> 01:53:53,950
It's a resolution of John's County Commissioner's Corps in support of the Texas Governor's

1364
01:53:53,950 --> 01:54:01,470
Actions to prevent and remove illegal aliens from the state of Texas, whereas the health

1365
01:54:01,470 --> 01:54:08,270
Health and safety and welfare of Texas residents is under eminent threat from their unprecedented

1366
01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:15,530
levels of illegal immigration, human trafficking, and drug smuggling come across the U.S. border

1367
01:54:15,530 --> 01:54:16,330
from Mexico.

1368
01:54:17,130 --> 01:54:25,450
And whereas since October 1 of 2020, more than 3.2 million illegal aliens have been apprehended

1369
01:54:26,110 --> 01:54:29,650
after unlawfully entering the United States.

1370
01:54:29,650 --> 01:54:38,910
more than 800,000 illegal aliens have avoided apprehension while unlawfully entering the

1371
01:54:38,910 --> 01:54:42,050
United States to remain unaccounted far within our nation.

1372
01:54:42,850 --> 01:54:51,930
So far this year CBP has identified more than 59 terrorists who have unlawfully entering

1373
01:54:51,930 --> 01:54:55,530
the United States through unsecured border with Mexico.

1374
01:54:55,530 --> 01:55:05,610
The unprecedented amount of human trafficking combined with the smuggling of fentanyl and

1375
01:55:05,610 --> 01:55:15,070
other opus and infiltrating our border with Mexico has killed over 71,238 American citizens.

1376
01:55:15,530 --> 01:55:23,870
The sophisticated human smuggling and drug trafficking organizations that facilitate these

1377
01:55:23,870 --> 01:55:32,510
criminal acts are spearheaded by violent international drug cartels who have operated, who have

1378
01:55:32,510 --> 01:55:41,530
operational control over our unsecured U.S. border. Whereas the formended recitation of facts

1379
01:55:41,530 --> 01:55:48,770
is heard by adopted as findings of fact related to the resolution. And whereas the unformed

1380
01:55:48,770 --> 01:55:56,390
from mentioned facts constitute an invasion of the state of Texas and whereas the ongoing

1381
01:55:56,390 --> 01:56:04,570
immigration crisis on the Texas border is now accepting and has resulted in a security

1382
01:56:04,570 --> 01:56:11,690
threat and human humanitarian disaster with overwhelming consequences to the residents

1383
01:56:11,690 --> 01:56:12,450
of Texas.

1384
01:56:12,450 --> 01:56:12,650
Texas.

1385
01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:18,130
Now therefore be it resolved that with the Commissioner's Court of Johnson County, Texas

1386
01:56:18,730 --> 01:56:26,750
support the Governor of Texas as Commander-in-Chief of the Military Forces of the State, take in necessary

1387
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:34,930
actions to preserve and protect the sovereign tree and territorial integrity of Texas and further

1388
01:56:34,930 --> 01:56:41,450
support the Governor of Texas acting under constitutional authority, granted unto him under

1389
01:56:41,450 --> 01:56:48,350
Article 4, Section 7, the Texas Constitution, and Article 1, Section 10,

1390
01:56:48,610 --> 01:56:55,030
close three of the U.S. Constitution to immediately prevent and remove all

1391
01:56:55,030 --> 01:57:01,210
illegal aliens invading the sovereignty of Texas and that of the United States.

1392
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:10,630
So I think it's a pretty strong resolution and it's showing our governor that we

1393
01:57:10,630 --> 01:57:17,150
certainly support what he's doing there. He's one of the field governors on the border of all

1394
01:57:17,150 --> 01:57:26,990
the states that is done this. There's taken the strong stand and I admire him for it and I think

1395
01:57:26,990 --> 01:57:36,690
most Texans admire him for it. Bill? There's a lot of this language from this resolution was taken

1396
01:57:36,690 --> 01:57:55,410
from another county's declaration of disaster, but for example, that particular county on the border they were able to document in one month over 4,000 illegal aliens who avoided apprehension coming in that border there in Mexico and their county.

1397
01:57:56,010 --> 01:58:00,450
And so that's the reason for the resolution rather than a local state of disaster.

1398
01:58:00,450 --> 01:58:10,490
sure we didn't feel like that we had the numbers to basically prove up that we had the declaration

1399
01:58:10,490 --> 01:58:12,350
of disaster that would be successful.

1400
01:58:13,590 --> 01:58:18,030
You know, I recognize your point based on numbers of what we have here.

1401
01:58:20,030 --> 01:58:24,930
Sheriff has shared, you know, the fentanyl is on the rise that the human trafficking is on

1402
01:58:24,930 --> 01:58:25,230
the rise.

1403
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:26,690
It certainly comes to our county.

1404
01:58:26,690 --> 01:58:32,150
I think there's no one out there that would argue the fact that it's not just state of

1405
01:58:32,150 --> 01:58:37,190
Texas or Johnson County being in this state, it's being invaded, it's our whole country.

1406
01:58:38,230 --> 01:58:39,510
Everybody recognizes that.

1407
01:58:40,730 --> 01:58:48,590
Where do we go from here in regards to building a wall or whatever the answer is on the border?

1408
01:58:49,230 --> 01:58:53,150
It's only going to shove it to Arizona and California, it's going to be a continuing

1409
01:58:53,150 --> 01:59:01,130
in crisis. Governor has certainly done what he can do and going into an election year

1410
01:59:01,130 --> 01:59:11,300
where the numbers are running closer than he probably wants to. Here, it's a, it's a

1411
01:59:11,900 --> 01:59:16,680
crisis that when you, when most people think of the border or illegal, they're only thinking

1412
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:22,580
of the Hispanic population leaving Mexico. That is not the problem. It might be a portion

1413
01:59:22,580 --> 01:59:27,820
of that problem. The problem is all of the other countries and the terrorists and the

1414
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:34,820
evil around the world. And the, frankly, the king pins of the drug cartel that know

1415
01:59:34,820 --> 01:59:41,580
how to work our system, making money on both ends of it. I've had many discussions with

1416
01:59:41,580 --> 01:59:48,140
our local game wardens who've been on the border. And I'm friends with a lot of the

1417
01:59:48,140 --> 01:59:50,580
hospitals and sheriffs along those borders.

1418
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,840
I mean, they're not even stopping people in vehicles anymore.

1419
01:59:53,940 --> 01:59:55,020
They know the vehicles stolen.

1420
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
But somebody is going to get a new car or a new truck. I mean, it's just gotten to that point. It's overwhelming. And to David's point this morning, people are afraid. I mean, but what is happening there is coming here. It's coming here. I mean, you, you know, you're already here. You're talking about millions of people that have been processed, quite frankly processed. In the same day, they were apprehended, given a bus ticket.

1421
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:34,200
getting $1,600 in cash and tax payer money to go wherever they want to go, guys.

1422
02:00:34,980 --> 02:00:40,900
I mean, to simply say that it's not an invasion.

1423
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:44,980
When you start talking about declarations, you start talking about the relief becoming

1424
02:00:44,980 --> 02:00:47,260
then state dollars to federal dollars.

1425
02:00:47,380 --> 02:00:49,420
Well, we know the federal dollars are not going to fund this.

1426
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:50,460
They've already sold that.

1427
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:56,280
But the message is not to ask them for the money, the message is to stop the invasion.

1428
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:04,080
And I respect your analysis of what numbers are here, but do we truly really know?

1429
02:01:04,820 --> 02:01:10,480
I mean, there are so many people that go through this county every day that are stopping and living in this county.

1430
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:13,580
And what are they bringing here?

1431
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:21,420
So I don't know that you adopt this language to be as specific as saying the invasion,

1432
02:01:21,420 --> 02:01:27,200
but I think the word invasion incorporated in this letter somewhere needs to be

1433
02:01:28,860 --> 02:01:34,940
inclusive. I think that that, because following a declaration of any kind,

1434
02:01:37,020 --> 02:01:42,000
strings attached to, we're not asking for relief, it's not like we're following a declaration

1435
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:51,960
because of a fire or a tornado or a flood, but this is a greater tragedy. I just feel like if there

1436
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:57,780
There is a way to incorporate this word in this language that gives that teeth to the

1437
02:01:57,780 --> 02:02:02,040
governor to recognize, because so many other counties are going to do this.

1438
02:02:02,900 --> 02:02:08,340
We need to let him know that we do see it as not only an invasion to the border crisis,

1439
02:02:08,860 --> 02:02:12,380
but an invasion to all counties within Texas and the United States for that matter.

1440
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:18,840
I'm just going to say the last sentence on the first page says the four-sentient, four-amission

1441
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:22,100
in fact constitute invasion of the state of Texas.

1442
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,880
I mean, if you don't want to do this resolution,

1443
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,480
that's what I was asked to draft was a resolution.

1444
02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:30,240
And that's what was drafted.

1445
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:32,420
If you want something stronger or something different

1446
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:34,820
than both against it, and we'll...

1447
02:02:34,820 --> 02:02:36,120
I think this is...

1448
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:37,100
No, I just think...

1449
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:38,320
I think it's a good resolution.

1450
02:02:38,860 --> 02:02:43,380
I just got a text from a friend who says,

1451
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:46,180
my friend was at a wise county commission meeting

1452
02:02:46,180 --> 02:02:52,900
what they are doing and what you are in Johnson County are doing and on her way

1453
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:58,780
back to Parker County, she saw the, um, was how it, you know, it's how it

1454
02:02:58,780 --> 02:03:06,220
looked like. Stopped a van full of vehicles on 114 and there's a whole bunch

1455
02:03:06,220 --> 02:03:11,340
of picture. So, so all

1456
02:03:13,770 --> 02:03:16,850
Governor Abbott must do and of course now the

1457
02:03:16,850 --> 02:03:23,650
I remember back up, the Governor of New York is asking for federal funds to overcome that.

1458
02:03:24,490 --> 02:03:28,890
I thought that was hilarious, but Governor

1459
02:03:31,670 --> 02:03:37,150
Abbott is stood pretty strong in this issue.

1460
02:03:39,310 --> 02:03:45,270
We've all seen it on news recently, and I think this is a good resolution now, I would

1461
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:46,850
to entertain the motion for approval.

1462
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:49,230
I'll make the motion different.

1463
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:52,060
I'll second it.

1464
02:03:52,780 --> 02:03:53,440
Motion motion.

1465
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:53,880
How?

1466
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:54,640
Seconded motion.

1467
02:03:54,980 --> 02:03:55,160
Why?

1468
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:56,720
Any further discussion?

1469
02:03:57,260 --> 02:03:58,080
We do have the language.

1470
02:03:58,760 --> 02:03:59,480
One quick comment.

1471
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:09,720
You know, when you think the words, what if, you know, Texas was awarded $5.2 billion in

1472
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:10,420
of funds.

1473
02:04:12,700 --> 02:04:20,020
What if every county in Texas would have given 25 or 30% all those

1474
02:04:20,020 --> 02:04:27,480
funds to the governor said build wall. I believe we could have made a big

1475
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:33,400
impact on that. Well you know I think that came up once they know. I actually had a

1476
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:37,720
conversation with Duane Burns about it our state represented and of course

1477
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:41,340
there's a lot of caveats to that stipulations how our

1478
02:04:41,340 --> 02:04:45,420
funds can be utilized and that certainly wasn't one of them.

1479
02:04:45,540 --> 02:04:47,600
But just what if that would have been a priority for the

1480
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:48,800
feds?

1481
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:49,000
Yep.

1482
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:50,700
Could have been done.

1483
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:51,700
Yeah.

1484
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:52,340
Could have been done.

1485
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:54,620
You've got all the urban and rural counties, but you would

1486
02:04:54,620 --> 02:05:00,560
not have gotten Tarrant and Dallas and Harris and more.

1487
02:05:00,740 --> 02:05:01,960
You never got them on board.

1488
02:05:05,110 --> 02:05:06,810
I think it still could have been done.

1489
02:05:07,810 --> 02:05:08,150
Oh yeah.

1490
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:16,710
Well, I think there are a lot of, even a lot of your other states have been giving Texas

1491
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:20,970
funds to help build that wall too.

1492
02:05:23,310 --> 02:05:28,210
And finally there was a Democrat and Arizona that decided, well, we only got a little

1493
02:05:28,210 --> 02:05:30,490
small narrows portion there.

1494
02:05:32,770 --> 02:05:36,750
They were getting embarrassed because there was so many oligos coming through that little

1495
02:05:36,750 --> 02:05:43,970
there are a portion he even recommended that they finish it up there so that was quite

1496
02:05:43,970 --> 02:05:45,090
humorous.

1497
02:05:45,150 --> 02:05:45,670
Thank you.

1498
02:05:45,950 --> 02:05:47,150
Any further comments?

1499
02:05:48,130 --> 02:05:48,850
All in favor, aye.

1500
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:50,010
Any opposed?

1501
02:05:50,750 --> 02:05:55,050
No one opposed is that motion will send that to the governor's office.

1502
02:06:01,670 --> 02:06:02,030
Thank you.

1503
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:04,350
Okay.

1504
02:06:04,670 --> 02:06:11,990
Item 14 is consideration to apply for the Edward Burns grant funding in the amount of $15,827

1505
02:06:11,990 --> 02:06:19,530
dollars to purchase so comprehensive medical kit for patrol unit serving the

1506
02:06:19,530 --> 02:06:25,490
community, Constable Precinct, when it says four, but what will take you?

1507
02:06:25,650 --> 02:06:31,170
All right well you're gonna have to I get for what he's been dealt. So Troy's out

1508
02:06:31,170 --> 02:06:40,650
of pocket. Troy was working on this grant. I know a little bit about it. What I do

1509
02:06:40,650 --> 02:06:45,210
You know is, he's asking for the 15, 8, 27.

1510
02:06:46,770 --> 02:06:48,970
It is a, let me get the wording right,

1511
02:06:55,590 --> 02:06:57,430
it does not require a match.

1512
02:06:59,330 --> 02:07:06,570
So what he's advocating on purchasing is old medical kits, which are kind of dummy proof

1513
02:07:06,570 --> 02:07:07,590
kits, if you will.

1514
02:07:08,830 --> 02:07:13,990
Honestly, it could be used as we go forward in training that we're doing or there's going

1515
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:23,550
to come out, they're doing SROs, people that come in law enforcement officers doing even

1516
02:07:23,550 --> 02:07:27,530
the fire guys that come in are doing, I can't remember exactly what they call it, but

1517
02:07:27,530 --> 02:07:33,610
to me, it kind of a hot zone, three odds, if you will, but this is kind of a, if you

1518
02:07:33,610 --> 02:07:35,630
follow the buttons, you can't mess up, I think.

1519
02:07:35,630 --> 02:07:50,850
So, anyway, so Troy was just asking to submit that grant and I think it, I'm not sure if it needs the county judge's signature also, but I just in case, is it on there?

1520
02:07:51,170 --> 02:07:56,770
Yeah. So anyway, he was just asking to, to this is just to submit it not to accept it.

1521
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:59,250
And it's no match, you said.

1522
02:07:59,250 --> 02:07:59,970
Are you ready to

1523
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:04,480
move forward?

1524
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:04,820
Is that a motion?

1525
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:05,880
Sure.

1526
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:07,000
Second.

1527
02:08:09,820 --> 02:08:11,100
Motion on commercial white.

1528
02:08:11,260 --> 02:08:12,280
Second by commission Bailey.

1529
02:08:12,540 --> 02:08:13,020
To approve.

1530
02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:14,600
Any further discussion?

1531
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,220
All in conversation to say.

1532
02:08:17,380 --> 02:08:17,620
I don't want to.

1533
02:08:17,620 --> 02:08:19,740
Yes, I can give the Kennedy Georgia authorization.

1534
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:20,420
Thank you.

1535
02:08:20,620 --> 02:08:21,040
I'd like to ask you.

1536
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:22,140
To say I am ready.

1537
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:24,080
We got a cover in the line.

1538
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:24,580
OK.

1539
02:08:25,420 --> 02:08:25,840
Thanks.

1540
02:08:26,220 --> 02:08:26,900
All of them by right.

1541
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:28,060
In your pose.

1542
02:08:29,220 --> 02:08:29,860
Thank you.

1543
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:30,560
Thanks.

1544
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:31,260
Thanks.

1545
02:08:31,260 --> 02:08:41,660
Council. Item 15, consideration contract with MP2 shell on energy for utility. Electrical

1546
02:08:41,660 --> 02:08:44,520
utility services for the Hal Avenue building.

1547
02:08:48,300 --> 02:08:50,520
Bill you were making comments on this.

1548
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:55,960
Judge, on the new property that the County bought on Hal Avenue, this is a contract. It's

1549
02:08:55,960 --> 02:09:07,230
It's just for five months, the other contracts, we have five other buildings, which includes our jail on three different meters.

1550
02:09:07,710 --> 02:09:10,170
They're coming up in January to be renewed.

1551
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:15,710
And so, this thought it best attacked us on to that in the worst.

1552
02:09:15,930 --> 02:09:21,610
This is a contract for five months, and then it will be grouped with all those others that will need to renew in January.

1553
02:09:21,850 --> 02:09:22,110
Okay.

1554
02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:26,310
Yeah, but this is for the property on how that we bought that from cities,

1555
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:28,370
tire paying the bills on it.

1556
02:09:28,710 --> 02:09:33,050
Yeah, we need to get the water to electricity changed over.

1557
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:37,550
Move, approve, give the county judge the authorization sign.

1558
02:09:40,160 --> 02:09:40,520
Second.

1559
02:09:41,580 --> 02:09:45,700
Motion, commission, will you second by commission, how to approve and give me

1560
02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:46,740
authorization sign?

1561
02:09:47,260 --> 02:09:48,160
Any further discussion?

1562
02:09:49,340 --> 02:09:50,360
All in favor, aye.

1563
02:09:51,140 --> 02:09:51,600
Any opposed?

1564
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:54,660
No one opposed that motion carries.

1565
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:58,860
Item 16 is consideration of the Convali M.H.M.R.

1566
02:10:00,900 --> 02:10:07,820
Region DBA Convali Center for Behavior and Developmental Health Care and Local Corp.

1567
02:10:08,330 --> 02:10:11,380
Contract with the Sheriff's Office, Sheriff King.

1568
02:10:12,410 --> 02:10:20,460
This is the same contract that we executed last year and it's for a total not to exceed $25,000 for the transportation of mental health patients.

1569
02:10:20,460 --> 02:10:21,400
No

1570
02:10:27,860 --> 02:10:32,240
brinder. Me. Identity motion. It's approval. Judge, give your authorization a稻.

1571
02:10:36,180 --> 02:10:38,060
Motion. Committee secretary secretary secretary's second by.

1572
02:10:38,740 --> 02:10:41,060
Commissioner, how? How?

1573
02:10:44,110 --> 02:10:46,170
And given me authorization. Two

1574
02:10:46,170 --> 02:10:52,390
Sign. Any further comments. All in favor. I. Any opposed? No one opposed.

1575
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:57,590
That motion carries. Item 17 is consideration, but the greater

1576
02:10:57,590 --> 02:11:02,070
Dallas fat worth region of law enforcement, mutual aid, task force agreement.

1577
02:11:02,070 --> 02:11:04,090
with John's County Sheriff.

1578
02:11:05,290 --> 02:11:07,930
In the court to enter into an agreement with the

1579
02:11:09,490 --> 02:11:16,460
Greater Dallas Regional Law Enforcement Mutual Aid Task Force for

1580
02:11:16,460 --> 02:11:22,180
the purpose of being able to share manpower and equipment resources for major incidents.

1581
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:28,100
Such as disasters to include floods, tornadoes, things like that.

1582
02:11:31,800 --> 02:11:33,820
rights, so forth and so on,

1583
02:11:36,460 --> 02:11:42,420
was just outlines basically the responsibilities of each party

1584
02:11:42,420 --> 02:11:47,680
and outlines the cost to be absorbed by each agency.

1585
02:11:50,190 --> 02:11:51,510
Bill, did you look at this?

1586
02:11:52,010 --> 02:11:52,290
Yes.

1587
02:11:52,750 --> 02:11:58,610
Under the amenity not waived, item 15, so that agreement.

1588
02:11:59,210 --> 02:12:00,110
Hold on just one second.

1589
02:12:06,340 --> 02:12:07,360
What's your question, Judge?

1590
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,500
Well, it says, amenity not waived.

1591
02:12:11,500 --> 02:12:11,980
Right.

1592
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:15,920
That means that Johnson County by entering into this is not waiving our immunity.

1593
02:12:16,300 --> 02:12:18,920
So Johnson County, I'm sure it's far more than that.

1594
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:21,740
I'm thinking, obviously, I'm waiting the wrong way, I'm sorry.

1595
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:23,140
It's good.

1596
02:12:23,540 --> 02:12:23,840
Okay.

1597
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:26,500
I realize.

1598
02:12:26,620 --> 02:12:30,640
This is a new agreement we haven't had this prior.

1599
02:12:30,980 --> 02:12:31,920
We've never had one.

1600
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:36,780
Now, this agreement, they've been entering in these agreements up in the Metroplex

1601
02:12:36,780 --> 02:12:37,680
for several years.

1602
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:40,960
I know that several years ago, Cleveland entered into it with them.

1603
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:42,560
Johnson County never did.

1604
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:48,160
What brought this up for us in Johnson County is this recent school shooting we had down south.

1605
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:53,200
And the need to bring in outside resources for a major incident like that.

1606
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:57,500
So we started looking at this again and explored this and wanted to go ahead and

1607
02:12:57,500 --> 02:12:58,160
enter into that.

1608
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:02,560
And there is quite a long list of agencies that have already entered into this agreement.

1609
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:08,580
Well, I think we support our neighbors, you know.

1610
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:11,960
Yeah, in any return they support us.

1611
02:13:12,120 --> 02:13:12,220
Correct.

1612
02:13:12,340 --> 02:13:12,680
That's right.

1613
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:13,400
Well, we need you.

1614
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:13,660
Amen.

1615
02:13:14,220 --> 02:13:15,000
Thank you.

1616
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:15,380
Yes.

1617
02:13:15,860 --> 02:13:16,320
All right.

1618
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:17,120
Move to approve.

1619
02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:18,460
Judge, give me the authorization, sir.

1620
02:13:18,740 --> 02:13:19,120
Second.

1621
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:21,140
Motion by Commissioner Bailey.

1622
02:13:21,380 --> 02:13:22,440
Second by Commissioner Wally.

1623
02:13:23,180 --> 02:13:25,320
To approve and to give me authorization, sir.

1624
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:26,900
Any further discussion?

1625
02:13:28,100 --> 02:13:29,240
All in favor, aye.

1626
02:13:29,460 --> 02:13:29,720
Aye.

1627
02:13:29,940 --> 02:13:30,400
Any opposed?

1628
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:34,100
No one opposes that motion does carry.

1629
02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:40,260
Item 18 is consideration of a resolution for the Commissioner's Court of John's County

1630
02:13:40,260 --> 02:13:45,780
Texas authorizing the John's County Sheriff's Office to form a regional law enforcement

1631
02:13:45,780 --> 02:13:51,820
mutual aid task force agreement with other area law enforcement agencies for the purpose

1632
02:13:51,820 --> 02:13:55,400
of providing and receiving law enforcement assistance.

1633
02:13:57,120 --> 02:13:58,540
This is by resolution.

1634
02:13:58,540 --> 02:13:58,680
motion.

1635
02:13:59,460 --> 02:14:04,180
In this resolution, it's just in support of the previously mentioned agreement.

1636
02:14:04,860 --> 02:14:04,960
Yep.

1637
02:14:06,700 --> 02:14:07,620
Interim, motion.

1638
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:08,360
I had that motion.

1639
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:08,700
No need.

1640
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:10,180
I'll move to approve this.

1641
02:14:10,460 --> 02:14:10,700
Exactly.

1642
02:14:11,580 --> 02:14:12,520
Motion, motion, body.

1643
02:14:12,700 --> 02:14:13,240
Second, motion.

1644
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:13,800
Move.

1645
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:19,640
Any further discussion?

1646
02:14:20,500 --> 02:14:21,740
All in favor, aye?

1647
02:14:21,940 --> 02:14:22,120
Aye.

1648
02:14:22,440 --> 02:14:22,920
Any opposed?

1649
02:14:23,740 --> 02:14:25,780
No one opposed that motion does carry.

1650
02:14:26,460 --> 02:14:33,140
Item 19 is consideration of an interim jurisdictional pursuit policy agreement.

1651
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:34,100
Sure.

1652
02:14:34,680 --> 02:14:40,340
What this does is it just formalizes some good common sense practices for when we are

1653
02:14:40,340 --> 02:14:45,000
in a pursuit outside of our jurisdiction, or if another jurisdiction comes into our area.

1654
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,840
And it just outlines the things that are expected, the protocols that are expected to happen.

1655
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:55,000
And who's in charge, whenever this thing comes through our county, are we going to another

1656
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:59,920
other county so that we're not trying to make these decisions on the side of the road or already.

1657
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:12,600
And I think it's a good common sense and I think that it'll be very beneficial to us whenever we're in the heat of the moment to know what our responsibilities are and what the other agencies' responsibilities are.

1658
02:15:14,780 --> 02:15:31,420
And Judge, on these agreements and so forth like this, each entities responsible for their own employees. In other words, if we have Johnson County employees going into Tarrant County, we're responsible for their actions, but by the same token of Tarrant County.

1659
02:15:31,420 --> 02:15:35,420
has some of their employees coming in Johnson County, they're responsible for their

1660
02:15:35,420 --> 02:15:40,420
actions. And that paragraph that you mentioned a minute ago just means that everyone's

1661
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:45,380
responsible for their own actions, but we're not wiping any immunities that we may have.

1662
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:49,140
Okay. How many entities be participating in this year?

1663
02:15:50,160 --> 02:15:53,760
I didn't count them, but there's quite a few. It was quite a long list of them.

1664
02:15:54,960 --> 02:16:00,700
I would say probably the majority of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex area law enforcement

1665
02:16:00,700 --> 02:16:05,060
The enforcement agencies are involved and have signed this agreement already.

1666
02:16:07,140 --> 02:16:11,840
I move to approve and give, so this only needs the sheriff's signature?

1667
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:12,720
Yes.

1668
02:16:14,810 --> 02:16:19,730
I move to approve and authorize the Chair, Madam King's Secretary.

1669
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:21,430
Second.

1670
02:16:22,570 --> 02:16:25,110
Motion, motion, motion, woolly, second, my motion, why?

1671
02:16:25,690 --> 02:16:28,830
To approve and give the Sheriff King authorization sign.

1672
02:16:29,290 --> 02:16:30,370
Any further discussion?

1673
02:16:31,710 --> 02:16:32,870
All in favor, aye.

1674
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:36,330
in a pose. The motion does carry.

1675
02:16:39,670 --> 02:16:43,390
Okay, item 20 is consideration for any good

1676
02:16:43,390 --> 02:16:50,310
load to attend the 2022 tea close training conference and because story I can't

1677
02:16:50,310 --> 02:16:58,970
say that word. So sorry meeting in the Sheriff's Office. What has been brought up is

1678
02:16:58,970 --> 02:17:03,730
she attends a lot of these meetings but she's mandated to do so if she has to go

1679
02:17:03,730 --> 02:17:09,170
20 times she has to go, or she can have a representative that goes, but the fact is

1680
02:17:09,170 --> 02:17:14,870
the last few years with COVID, they didn't have any meetings, so they're trying to catch

1681
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:22,250
up on this, and I got you all a form here, so you can see it is mandated, and we are, when

1682
02:17:22,250 --> 02:17:29,250
you're certified to host these T-close classes, like we are in Johnson County, you have to have

1683
02:17:29,250 --> 02:17:33,090
You have to have that representation and everything.

1684
02:17:33,350 --> 02:17:34,350
I'm going to give you all,

1685
02:17:37,430 --> 02:17:38,990
sure, thank you.

1686
02:17:39,010 --> 02:17:39,490
Throw

1687
02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:46,080
this out there, that's a pretty small sum compared to sin and

1688
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:47,040
everybody to train.

1689
02:17:47,260 --> 02:17:50,460
And when they can come here and get trained and not have to send

1690
02:17:50,460 --> 02:17:53,580
everybody to individual trainings.

1691
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,600
Well, normally we put this on the consent.

1692
02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:04,180
But because the dollar amount was so high.

1693
02:18:05,680 --> 02:18:10,180
That's why I thought the whole Court need is to really discuss it and look at it.

1694
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:12,540
And if it's something that's mandatory?

1695
02:18:13,220 --> 02:18:20,060
Yes, it is definitely mandatory, and it tells you the rules, the T-close rulebook,

1696
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:24,940
and the text commission on law enforcement contract training provided,

1697
02:18:25,960 --> 02:18:31,340
provider contract, and it says, trainer is obligated, it has to,

1698
02:18:31,340 --> 02:18:38,860
under the requirements and obligations and all that's there to say they have to be there

1699
02:18:38,860 --> 02:18:44,660
because we're teaching these courses she has to be there every time. We can't miss one. We can

1700
02:18:44,660 --> 02:18:51,080
lose. We can lose our certification to teach classes and that would be a bad thing for John

1701
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:52,660
Scenic because we do teach a lot of classes.

1702
02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:58,480
Well there was another I'm looking for. There was

1703
02:18:59,480 --> 02:19:01,220
In that original email,

1704
02:19:04,410 --> 02:19:07,290
is it T-close train conference and a T-close meeting?

1705
02:19:08,030 --> 02:19:10,590
Is that all tied together or what is that?

1706
02:19:11,730 --> 02:19:17,590
You know, Judge, I'm not sure on that, but I just know that any training she has to go to, you've got to go.

1707
02:19:17,610 --> 02:19:20,610
There's two separate hotel confirmations attached.

1708
02:19:21,330 --> 02:19:23,210
Yes, I can answer that if you want.

1709
02:19:23,410 --> 02:19:30,670
There's a consortium meeting T-cl as an agency was audited this year and they are under review by the Sunset Committee.

1710
02:19:30,670 --> 02:19:36,650
And so they're having these bi-monthly meetings now to decide the direction of TCO going forward.

1711
02:19:37,230 --> 02:19:44,710
There is a real possibility that they will be dissolved or be sunsetted and DPS will take over their role.

1712
02:19:45,010 --> 02:19:46,690
So that's why they're having these consortium meetings.

1713
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:53,650
And they're having them in DFW, they had an Abilene, they had Lampassis, they've had an Austin, they're having them every other month.

1714
02:19:53,650 --> 02:19:57,190
And it's a pretty serious situation, honestly.

1715
02:19:57,190 --> 02:20:01,790
Yeah, and she's already going to be down there, so that's why they did it.

1716
02:20:01,870 --> 02:20:03,310
Yeah, that Suncut said commission.

1717
02:20:03,570 --> 02:20:05,610
I don't know if I'm sure you all know about it, right?

1718
02:20:06,290 --> 02:20:12,950
Yeah, they're pretty tough on stuff when I was how it chose Art and whatever they really

1719
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:14,010
look at DPS.

1720
02:20:14,270 --> 02:20:16,990
They look at everybody and they make their own decision on it.

1721
02:20:17,230 --> 02:20:20,470
I don't have any thing other than that.

1722
02:20:20,670 --> 02:20:20,970
Okay.

1723
02:20:21,170 --> 02:20:21,810
I'm good.

1724
02:20:22,370 --> 02:20:22,670
Okay.

1725
02:20:25,090 --> 02:20:26,890
Okay. I entertain the motion.

1726
02:20:32,210 --> 02:20:37,210
Motion to approve any further discussion.

1727
02:20:38,330 --> 02:20:43,370
All in favor, aye? Any opposed? No one opposed? Is that motion carries? Thank you.

1728
02:20:44,470 --> 02:20:45,050
Chief.

1729
02:20:48,420 --> 02:20:56,460
Okay. The next one is consideration for Eric McDonald to attend the certified fraud exam review course.

1730
02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:03,120
This is another high price and $3,200, $30,000.

1731
02:21:07,070 --> 02:21:07,630
Okay.

1732
02:21:20,350 --> 02:21:22,510
These are microphone, I'm sorry.

1733
02:21:25,390 --> 02:21:27,610
These are not just sales, these are fraud.

1734
02:21:28,370 --> 02:21:32,790
In our country is under more fraud than we've ever had in our lives.

1735
02:21:33,570 --> 02:21:36,230
These frauds go into money laundering.

1736
02:21:36,490 --> 02:21:38,570
They go into trafficking of people.

1737
02:21:39,530 --> 02:21:40,950
It is so out of hand.

1738
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:45,930
And if Randy was here today, I wanted him to be here, but I saw he didn't show up.

1739
02:21:46,130 --> 02:21:53,750
But the workplace that we, the Texas Work Commission, there were so many people in Johnson County,

1740
02:21:53,930 --> 02:21:58,930
and our county here that got hacked or whatever, that people were sending in applications trying

1741
02:21:58,930 --> 02:22:01,430
to get unemployment in what even our people.

1742
02:22:01,730 --> 02:22:09,450
We did a big background of those, but I think we already have like 288 cases this year of fraud,

1743
02:22:09,450 --> 02:22:19,930
But this is, this is cost our United States 5.8 billion is what we've lost by people doing, you know, fraud.

1744
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:22,150
It's a big thing that's come up.

1745
02:22:22,670 --> 02:22:24,770
We need somebody that understands that.

1746
02:22:24,890 --> 02:22:27,230
It's just not a game of, oh, somebody took something.

1747
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:31,690
When you have fraud, it might go from one day, from one person.

1748
02:22:31,950 --> 02:22:36,510
And at the end of the cycle, when you do your investigation, it could be 18 or 20 people involved.

1749
02:22:37,310 --> 02:22:48,590
The other day, we had one, Erin is really good about this, and I'm telling you, she can go into court and testify as an expert witness now, which we can't now.

1750
02:22:49,310 --> 02:22:53,790
This is a very unique group, and it's worth the money.

1751
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:55,550
I promise you, I've looked into this.

1752
02:22:56,130 --> 02:23:00,750
When you start knocking people down, we've got four cases right now with the federal government we're working on.

1753
02:23:00,750 --> 02:23:06,710
They came down and, like I said, 18 people were arrested in one of our cases in Johnson County.

1754
02:23:07,150 --> 02:23:11,770
And we're working with the U.S. Treasury, we're working with people we didn't ever work before.

1755
02:23:11,890 --> 02:23:15,670
This is some serious stuff that has come up in our, in our lifetime.

1756
02:23:16,290 --> 02:23:17,710
I mean, fraud is everywhere.

1757
02:23:18,110 --> 02:23:21,270
People got to sit home for two years and figure out how to rip everybody off.

1758
02:23:21,450 --> 02:23:21,790
That's the truth.

1759
02:23:22,050 --> 02:23:24,930
So, I'm just saying, the money's worth it.

1760
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:28,970
I would not be here today to say she wasn't a professional to do that.

1761
02:23:28,970 --> 02:23:48,910
But with this extra work and this extra training she's going to be willing to elite and Johnson County has come up a long way since I've been here to make the elite of, you know, our cases and stuff like that with our other parts of our, you know, of our CID division.

1762
02:23:49,330 --> 02:23:55,810
This is one of a million and it is the best class there is taught in the United States, telling you that.

1763
02:23:55,810 --> 02:24:03,890
And you got you got funds in your budget for yes, yes, or I do the one the very first time I ever heard of that

1764
02:24:05,330 --> 02:24:11,330
The unemployment and I'll or remember it and it was it was one of my guys. Yes

1765
02:24:11,330 --> 02:24:14,370
my supervisor and

1766
02:24:15,230 --> 02:24:22,530
When the paperwork he had already and my not my guy that somebody had applied for unemployment in his name with his

1767
02:24:22,530 --> 02:24:28,990
so security number and everything and even knew who his employer was, he had it all listed

1768
02:24:28,990 --> 02:24:34,670
as Johnson County and everything. And when it come across Randy's desk, Randy immediately

1769
02:24:34,670 --> 02:24:42,330
called me and this was his question. Kenny, my goodness, when did you let Don go? And

1770
02:24:42,330 --> 02:24:49,330
I said, I didn't. What are you talking about? And he said, I just got paperwork across

1771
02:24:49,330 --> 02:24:54,170
my desk that he's trying to draw on employment. And you guys worked on that.

1772
02:24:54,370 --> 02:24:58,570
Yes sir. We worked on that. There was, I think, ended up being 24 different people

1773
02:24:59,230 --> 02:25:06,310
that they had applied for unemployment in Johnson County, and actually some of them had already

1774
02:25:06,310 --> 02:25:12,790
received unemployment payments, even though all those people were gainfully employed and still working,

1775
02:25:12,790 --> 02:25:20,790
but, and of course it creates a huge problem for the real person because then they had to get that all

1776
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:24,870
straight with their social security, with the FICA, with everything that goes in.

1777
02:25:25,010 --> 02:25:32,250
It took my guy six months to finally get it all straight and out, and it was a big deal.

1778
02:25:32,410 --> 02:25:32,910
Thank you, sir.

1779
02:25:33,170 --> 02:25:39,250
And when you get finished with those cases, you got papers that thick to go through and you've got to know what you're doing.

1780
02:25:39,250 --> 02:25:42,110
It's not just, right, oh, I'm going to write a fraud.

1781
02:25:42,390 --> 02:25:55,690
If you write a fraud and you don't do anything good about it, don't even take a report, that's the way I look at it, because you're letting the citizens of Johnson County down when you say, oh, we'll take a report and then not know how to do that kind of business.

1782
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:58,030
It's a specialized business, I'm telling you.

1783
02:25:58,550 --> 02:26:08,130
That's why I waited three years to come before you to get this, because she's asked me and asked me, I turned it down every time until I could see that she was dedicated enough to do this.

1784
02:26:08,130 --> 02:26:08,930
This is a hard job.

1785
02:26:09,430 --> 02:26:11,450
Yeah, so, thank you.

1786
02:26:11,890 --> 02:26:14,770
So, me, thank you.

1787
02:26:15,370 --> 02:26:16,430
You're tired of motion.

1788
02:26:17,250 --> 02:26:18,410
Thank you, commissioners.

1789
02:26:18,910 --> 02:26:20,970
Now, I move to approve, Judge, I'll second.

1790
02:26:21,710 --> 02:26:23,530
Motion, commissioners, how I'll second my commission?

1791
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:26,250
Bailey, to approve any further discussion.

1792
02:26:27,470 --> 02:26:28,370
All in favor, aye?

1793
02:26:28,830 --> 02:26:29,630
Any opposed?

1794
02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:32,330
No one opposed, is that motion carries?

1795
02:26:33,710 --> 02:26:36,390
All right, we're going to do some more drawing here.

1796
02:26:36,390 --> 02:26:40,250
consideration of the second composition drawing and

1797
02:26:40,250 --> 02:26:46,250
appointment of a sorry grievance committee for local government code chapter 152.

1798
02:26:47,510 --> 02:26:47,590
So,

1799
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:22,170
okay, for court record I'll draw these and the first one is Philippi.

1800
02:27:22,670 --> 02:27:26,850
Oh wow, MONCIB AIC.

1801
02:27:26,850 --> 02:27:34,170
the, uh, lives in Burleson. Second one is

1802
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:39,040
Michael, excuse me, is Mitchell Edwards,

1803
02:27:39,960 --> 02:27:40,820
Mansfield, Texas.

1804
02:27:44,470 --> 02:27:46,250
The third is

1805
02:27:49,290 --> 02:27:56,030
Troy Stollings in Burleson. That's three.

1806
02:28:02,620 --> 02:28:03,500
The fourth would,

1807
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:04,600
What do these

1808
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:08,440
names come from?

1809
02:28:09,620 --> 02:28:14,440
Debacumur, Mar, Day, and Burleson.

1810
02:28:23,660 --> 02:28:27,980
The next is Bruno Jimenez and King.

1811
02:28:30,700 --> 02:28:40,680
The next is Glen Up, Heart, and Burleson.

1812
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:42,380
The sixth.

1813
02:28:50,770 --> 02:28:53,030
Give me a motion to approve those sixth.

1814
02:28:53,410 --> 02:28:54,210
We'll send them out.

1815
02:28:54,210 --> 02:28:56,950
Move to approve, six has drawn.

1816
02:28:59,180 --> 02:28:59,420
Second.

1817
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:02,480
Motion will commercially second my question for how

1818
02:29:03,160 --> 02:29:06,060
to approve the six has read in the drawing.

1819
02:29:07,460 --> 02:29:08,020
He's

1820
02:29:12,340 --> 02:29:13,600
when I did, you know, well,

1821
02:29:14,020 --> 02:29:14,980
how would we say that?

1822
02:29:17,880 --> 02:29:21,220
In body in hand, all

1823
02:29:23,240 --> 02:29:25,560
in favor, I thank you.

1824
02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:25,660
We can.

1825
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:27,020
Yes, sir.

1826
02:29:30,310 --> 02:29:30,830
But thank you.

1827
02:29:30,850 --> 02:29:31,670
Motion carries.

1828
02:29:31,950 --> 02:29:33,370
Yes, sir.

1829
02:29:33,790 --> 02:29:35,170
Thank you for serving, yeah.

1830
02:29:35,170 --> 02:29:36,270
No, no kidding.

1831
02:29:36,470 --> 02:29:36,970
I don't do that.

1832
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:39,470
If they're served, may have brought some more.

1833
02:29:39,870 --> 02:29:39,970
Yeah.

1834
02:29:40,250 --> 02:29:42,310
Of course, we don't have any salary agreements.

1835
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:49,090
Twenty-three is acknowledged by the purchasing age appointment board's order and oath of office

1836
02:29:50,150 --> 02:29:52,310
appointing Ralph McBroom.

1837
02:29:52,990 --> 02:29:53,230
Oh.

1838
02:29:53,710 --> 02:29:55,710
Oh, Lee, what do you think about that?

1839
02:29:55,850 --> 02:29:56,030
Oh.

1840
02:29:56,670 --> 02:29:59,150
As purchasing age in Johnson County Texas.

1841
02:30:02,540 --> 02:30:24,600
This is just an acknowledgement, and I certainly acknowledge that, and highly recommend it. So, uh, for court, facial record, we're acknowledging yours are purchasing. How many years now you've been doing it, Ralph? Actually eight years, you can believe it. And we're just not acknowledging the fact that you two are purchasing correctly six weeks.

1842
02:30:29,560 --> 02:30:37,740
He had a unanimous decision over in the Judges Court, so we're glad to have you.

1843
02:30:38,660 --> 02:30:41,140
We are glad and we would love you to have you.

1844
02:30:41,500 --> 02:30:42,260
Thank you very much.

1845
02:30:42,260 --> 02:30:43,040
It's great to be here.

1846
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:43,540
You bet.

1847
02:30:43,700 --> 02:30:44,280
Thank you, Ralph.

1848
02:30:45,700 --> 02:30:45,940
Okay.

1849
02:30:48,380 --> 02:30:50,060
Adam 24 is a ratification.

1850
02:30:50,060 --> 02:31:00,360
and first amendment of the grant contract OAG contract number 2219061-06, which is the

1851
02:31:01,540 --> 02:31:06,320
FY227's contract amendment, vendor name, chain for the county judge.

1852
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:10,480
We might air out just need your approval on here,

1853
02:31:18,880 --> 02:31:19,420
entertain the motion.

1854
02:31:20,600 --> 02:31:24,100
Move to approve and give the county judge authorization to sign.

1855
02:31:24,100 --> 02:31:24,740
Okay.

1856
02:31:27,340 --> 02:31:27,960
Second.

1857
02:31:29,020 --> 02:31:33,040
A motion by commercial white, second by commercial out, to approve and give me authorization

1858
02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:33,620
sign.

1859
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:34,820
All in favor.

1860
02:31:34,940 --> 02:31:35,120
Aye.

1861
02:31:35,940 --> 02:31:36,480
Any opposed?

1862
02:31:37,880 --> 02:31:38,420
No one opposed.

1863
02:31:38,420 --> 02:31:39,700
That motion carries.

1864
02:31:40,940 --> 02:31:47,580
Item 25 is consideration of the appointment of James Camp, Grandview Fire Chief, as Fire

1865
02:31:47,580 --> 02:31:54,920
Marshal for the Big Ranch Promotions, LLC to be held on September 4th of 2022.

1866
02:32:00,620 --> 02:32:09,140
I should have that address memorized, but now, I think I've proved 17 of these for him.

1867
02:32:10,700 --> 02:32:16,940
And I'll love your word about this as far as for the horse race out by Sam Flatt.

1868
02:32:16,940 --> 02:32:17,580
to

1869
02:32:22,700 --> 02:32:25,060
chief camp, I'll move to approve.

1870
02:32:25,620 --> 02:32:26,040
Thank you.

1871
02:32:30,490 --> 02:32:33,250
Washington Commissioner Wolley second my commissioner

1872
02:32:33,250 --> 02:32:34,530
how to approve.

1873
02:32:35,410 --> 02:32:39,030
He's just almost begun the full time

1874
02:32:41,960 --> 02:32:43,940
same I volunteer fire chief.

1875
02:32:45,460 --> 02:32:47,520
We certainly do appreciate your services.

1876
02:32:55,070 --> 02:32:57,270
All right, all in favor, I, in your pose.

1877
02:32:58,250 --> 02:32:59,970
He does a good job, by the way.

1878
02:33:00,410 --> 02:33:01,170
He's a good guy.

1879
02:33:02,590 --> 02:33:10,950
Okay. We'll do number 26 after workshop. Next item is our consent agenda.

1880
02:33:11,850 --> 02:33:18,670
On the consent agenda, on item 2K, the form says 2021 and it should say 2022.

1881
02:33:25,170 --> 02:33:27,850
On 2K? Okay.

1882
02:33:32,390 --> 02:33:34,170
I'd like to attend a motion for approval.

1883
02:33:35,090 --> 02:33:36,710
move to approve, Judge.

1884
02:33:40,760 --> 02:33:40,980
Second.

1885
02:33:41,780 --> 02:33:43,720
Motion for motion White. Second by

1886
02:33:43,720 --> 02:33:46,500
Commissioner Woolley to approve to consent. Any

1887
02:33:46,500 --> 02:33:49,960
further discussion? All in favor, aye?

1888
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:52,400
Aye. Any opposed? No one opposed?

1889
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:53,460
Is that motion carried?

1890
02:33:58,130 --> 02:34:00,490
Okay, we have two.

1891
02:34:09,690 --> 02:34:12,330
Well, we're still going to, when we've done the

1892
02:34:12,330 --> 02:34:15,130
pertinent and so we've got two workshop sessions.

1893
02:34:16,050 --> 02:34:18,230
And the budget workshop is going to be a

1894
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:27,670
a while. So it currently is 1148. I think I'll recess the court to 115 that give us time

1895
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:32,930
to go grab back and eat and come back and then tackle that budget. That good with everyone.

1896
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:39,150
All right. We stand recess until 115.

1897
02:34:44,540 --> 02:34:48,100
Okay. We'll go ahead and get our meeting back in

1898
02:34:48,100 --> 02:34:54,920
session. This is a continuation of a meeting. We do have an executive session item but we

1899
02:34:54,920 --> 02:35:02,380
We cannot hear it until 1.45 p.m. because of the posting requirements.

1900
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:08,300
So just by the attorney's office requests.

1901
02:35:14,190 --> 02:35:16,450
So we're in a regular session,

1902
02:35:18,750 --> 02:35:19,910
pardon me.

1903
02:35:20,450 --> 02:35:29,550
We'll come out of regular session, we'll go into our workshop session down here to it.

1904
02:35:29,550 --> 02:35:30,330
There's

1905
02:35:35,380 --> 02:35:41,380
really not anything that I'm aware of and we don't have anyone here from grant works.

1906
02:35:43,330 --> 02:35:43,850
Yes.

1907
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:45,530
Gary here.

1908
02:35:45,710 --> 02:35:48,430
Was that something to do with that?

1909
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:54,130
Gary did you have all one workshop session we can talk about the budget because that's

1910
02:35:54,130 --> 02:35:55,810
what we were handed.

1911
02:35:56,410 --> 02:36:00,010
Did you have, you want to go ahead and come on up?

1912
02:36:00,710 --> 02:36:03,390
Whenever we get to the ARPA section I do have some.

1913
02:36:03,390 --> 02:36:08,150
Okay. Well, that comes to be on the arpeggio.

1914
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:16,550
And so, we'll go to Constitience with Grant Works regarding proposals, projects from

1915
02:36:16,550 --> 02:36:18,110
our con Rescue funding.

1916
02:36:18,450 --> 02:36:22,890
So, I think yours is in regards to your pickup truck.

1917
02:36:23,210 --> 02:36:23,530
Yes, sir.

1918
02:36:25,230 --> 02:36:27,890
We're just looking to replace that 2011.

1919
02:36:28,590 --> 02:36:33,370
Surely that we had, we bought that used, I don't know if you remember that.

1920
02:36:33,370 --> 02:36:43,150
Jeff England. Yeah, I remember. Hard over about 160,000 miles on now. We spent 3,000 in repairs

1921
02:36:43,150 --> 02:36:47,230
on the last two years. Or because another 30,000.

1922
02:36:49,710 --> 02:36:53,450
But we're also starting to have some

1923
02:36:53,450 --> 02:36:58,370
issues with the transmission on it. So I don't know. I mean, it's not acting up all the time,

1924
02:36:58,370 --> 02:37:07,230
but it's got electrical issues to it too, so and I guess it has been out there long enough on

1925
02:37:07,230 --> 02:37:13,390
by board through purchasing some of the bids that we've gotten are way up there.

1926
02:37:13,790 --> 02:37:17,430
They're too high, they're 8,000 hour.

1927
02:37:18,370 --> 02:37:27,030
We've been spending and getting a lot less, so keep looking and see what's coming up with.

1928
02:37:27,030 --> 02:37:34,450
If you want to give me a ballpark figure, we know what a used one would go for.

1929
02:37:34,890 --> 02:37:35,170
Yeah.

1930
02:37:36,290 --> 02:37:42,130
This was a reasonable budget request that Gary had made, and so it's not anything new.

1931
02:37:43,010 --> 02:37:43,150
Right.

1932
02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:48,340
There's not a dollar amount budgeted right now, though.

1933
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:49,280
Yeah, no.

1934
02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:55,880
Well, we purchased several vehicles too for just Josh's department and

1935
02:37:57,500 --> 02:37:58,540
Pemptro cars.

1936
02:37:58,740 --> 02:38:02,840
I mean, we've used that ARPA money to do immediate purchases.

1937
02:38:03,620 --> 02:38:07,780
And how would we look at this when Ralph about the same?

1938
02:38:08,260 --> 02:38:13,820
Well, we need to, if it's not on by-board or if it's not on a co-op, then we need to

1939
02:38:14,500 --> 02:38:17,300
prove emergency purchase again.

1940
02:38:17,300 --> 02:38:21,580
I think you could probably find something on by board or the co-op.

1941
02:38:22,020 --> 02:38:31,930
We found several, you know, might want to just get with Hogan or somebody that just, you know, did that on a medical call.

1942
02:38:32,190 --> 02:38:32,410
You know.

1943
02:38:33,010 --> 02:38:34,650
Are you going to need four or drive?

1944
02:38:35,930 --> 02:38:38,270
I don't necessarily have to have it.

1945
02:38:38,410 --> 02:38:39,470
It's one of those deals, you know.

1946
02:38:39,810 --> 02:38:43,650
You don't need it, you do, you know.

1947
02:38:44,050 --> 02:38:45,130
I have it, you need it.

1948
02:38:45,130 --> 02:38:52,030
when needed lately have we unless you're getting Sandy first one we had I had to

1949
02:38:52,030 --> 02:38:58,910
drive four acres back to a stock tank in the mud to get to I think you need

1950
02:38:58,910 --> 02:39:02,070
for a driving for what you do you never know where you're going you never know

1951
02:39:02,070 --> 02:39:07,750
where you're going people aren't going real cheesy about where something might

1952
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:12,750
happen and pass away and that's the time where it's got to get there you got to get

1953
02:39:12,750 --> 02:39:15,230
whether there was ice on the road or whatever.

1954
02:39:15,650 --> 02:39:16,030
That's right.

1955
02:39:16,250 --> 02:39:16,930
That's another point.

1956
02:39:17,150 --> 02:39:19,110
You can go to there where with the death occurs.

1957
02:39:20,490 --> 02:39:24,430
And the only bit close we've gotten so far too will evidently

1958
02:39:24,430 --> 02:39:28,710
there's, I got an email that C forwarded to me that

1959
02:39:30,590 --> 02:39:34,610
one of the fleet guys centers that they were like

1960
02:39:34,610 --> 02:39:36,210
1900 trucks short.

1961
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:37,830
Wow.

1962
02:39:37,830 --> 02:39:37,870
Yeah.

1963
02:39:40,400 --> 02:39:44,140
Not checked with Hogan, because he was a sheriff.

1964
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:50,700
You got any input on that, you don't have a problem with getting Hogan to see if he

1965
02:39:50,700 --> 02:39:52,520
can find another vehicle for MED?

1966
02:39:53,440 --> 02:39:53,960
Oh, definitely.

1967
02:39:54,400 --> 02:40:00,100
Yeah, definitely reach out to Hogan, he's always on the phone trying to find something.

1968
02:40:00,760 --> 02:40:00,960
Okay.

1969
02:40:01,560 --> 02:40:01,800
Yeah.

1970
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:02,500
We'll do that.

1971
02:40:02,920 --> 02:40:03,020
Yeah.

1972
02:40:03,540 --> 02:40:11,520
If we can find it on a cooperative, then we don't really need an emergency per authorization.

1973
02:40:12,420 --> 02:40:16,720
We need to verbally communicate in here whether we're going to do it or not.

1974
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:17,420
Right.

1975
02:40:20,050 --> 02:40:21,110
Does that $1 amount?

1976
02:40:22,190 --> 02:40:24,150
No, we don't have a $1 amount, and it sounds like.

1977
02:40:25,970 --> 02:40:29,250
So we need to come back to court if it's not a co-op.

1978
02:40:29,310 --> 02:40:30,290
This is where the amount is to them.

1979
02:40:30,290 --> 02:40:35,170
Yeah, but I just I just know there's better deals out there than what we're receiving in so far

1980
02:40:36,710 --> 02:40:39,590
Yeah, well Gary. Here's the deal. I guess

1981
02:40:41,050 --> 02:40:44,210
Court does not meet officially again until

1982
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:46,910
To weeks from today

1983
02:40:52,140 --> 02:40:55,580
Just keeps option you find something. Yeah, I'll just keep looking

1984
02:40:56,860 --> 02:41:04,160
We'll do that. We'll get on the agenda ASAP. All right that works. Thank you. Thank you Gary

1985
02:41:11,650 --> 02:41:14,310
Is there anything else we need to talk about for ZAR, for funding?

1986
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:16,930
I know you have anything.

1987
02:41:17,010 --> 02:41:24,910
I had a City Council person from the City of Greenview contact me last week about, I guess

1988
02:41:24,910 --> 02:41:31,750
if they assume a proposal to what we did for City of Rio Vista in doing some expansion work

1989
02:41:31,750 --> 02:41:38,770
or increasing the capacity of their sewer treatment plan.

1990
02:41:38,770 --> 02:41:49,090
And with the request of our fund to help fund that, and I explained that that kind of awarding process

1991
02:41:49,090 --> 02:41:50,290
had already passed.

1992
02:41:50,810 --> 02:42:00,400
However, the possibility of supposed, Mr. Bailey has been referring to some of that money coming back.

1993
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:09,880
I think with the new leadership now with grant works that I think the odds of that are greatly

1994
02:42:09,880 --> 02:42:17,140
reduced. But anyway, I told her that I would bring it up today and then it'd be

1995
02:42:17,140 --> 02:42:21,780
something that we'd have to look at down the road in the event that there was, you

1996
02:42:21,780 --> 02:42:30,060
know, money available. I think she was going to try to pursue maybe estimates or

1997
02:42:30,060 --> 02:42:36,160
some kind of documentation in as far as need, that kind of thing. I know that

1998
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:43,800
plants you know it's probably seen it's better days and I never did live in the

1999
02:42:43,800 --> 02:42:50,300
city of Greenview but I know that there's some issues with that anyway I told

2000
02:42:50,300 --> 02:42:56,120
her I bring it up that's about all we can do at this point and just so that

2001
02:42:56,120 --> 02:43:01,500
there's a level of awareness among the court. She didn't give you any indication

2002
02:43:03,380 --> 02:43:04,520
No, not at all.

2003
02:43:05,900 --> 02:43:08,720
Gloria, an operation blessing, you had contact with me.

2004
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:10,700
She said, I wasn't wearing that.

2005
02:43:10,780 --> 02:43:12,060
We could even smell anything.

2006
02:43:12,260 --> 02:43:16,160
I said, Gloria, we've already had a cutoff date on that.

2007
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:19,440
So, we opened that door.

2008
02:43:20,040 --> 02:43:22,940
You got a band-door box back open.

2009
02:43:25,290 --> 02:43:28,150
Well, it's a given, yes.

2010
02:43:28,330 --> 02:43:32,190
We pretty much have awarded and have earmarked.

2011
02:43:32,850 --> 02:43:35,710
the lost revenue portion tremendously.

2012
02:43:36,830 --> 02:43:38,230
More so than I thought, even.

2013
02:43:38,510 --> 02:43:38,610
Yeah.

2014
02:43:39,010 --> 02:43:47,350
And the process isn't over, and there's still a lot of time left going forward.

2015
02:43:49,840 --> 02:43:57,060
I brought up some issues that were found after the fact that we did set a deadline,

2016
02:43:57,300 --> 02:44:01,320
but we didn't stick to the deadline, so there's some controversy out there.

2017
02:44:01,320 --> 02:44:08,900
But there will be probably an opportunity, and at least going forward, if the City of

2018
02:44:08,900 --> 02:44:18,360
Grandview is in the proactively getting bids or estimates or a real number, and it ends

2019
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:20,480
up having some money left there to do that with.

2020
02:44:22,200 --> 02:44:25,660
You know, we've talked about building roads, we've talked about doing a lot of things with

2021
02:44:25,660 --> 02:44:33,400
the lost revenue portion, but because of contractors or because of supplies or because of simply

2022
02:44:33,400 --> 02:44:41,620
just there is a time limit on this, that might be an option to explore once those numbers

2023
02:44:41,620 --> 02:44:47,620
come in because everything that we do, that impacts that many people, we probably should

2024
02:44:48,400 --> 02:44:54,040
reconsider it or at least if there's something there, whether it be a portion of it or whether

2025
02:44:54,040 --> 02:44:57,580
be all living. I need to look at it. So I agree.

2026
02:45:03,540 --> 02:45:22,070
All right, let's come off a one. Let's go to two discussion of budget and tax rate, and then we'll go back to because we'll kind of have to take a record, not a record vote, but a vote affirmative direction. The courts are going to go on this tax rate.

2027
02:45:25,370 --> 02:45:35,650
I went over all the revenues that we have projected for next year. This last statement, I guess this is still correct, Steve.

2028
02:45:35,650 --> 02:45:41,610
We were 32,890 in the negative, but you got a new one.

2029
02:45:43,250 --> 02:45:43,270
Okay.

2030
02:45:53,220 --> 02:45:53,840
Oh, good.

2031
02:45:54,820 --> 02:45:58,740
We're throwing 32, 549 to the good.

2032
02:46:00,060 --> 02:46:06,080
And that's lower than the tax rate, a penny, down to 41 cents from

2033
02:46:09,440 --> 02:46:10,040
42.

2034
02:46:13,570 --> 02:46:19,150
That's about a million seven in revenue or given back to the public.

2035
02:46:30,700 --> 02:46:31,200
I

2036
02:46:37,310 --> 02:46:40,970
don't want to jump in ahead of you, Steve, so you don't look like the villain here.

2037
02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:43,550
I mean, you're always the villain.

2038
02:46:44,550 --> 02:46:48,470
I called on Steve last Friday, and thank you, Steve.

2039
02:46:48,750 --> 02:46:52,730
He worked hard over the, obviously, that rest of that day and summing it into the weekend

2040
02:46:55,570 --> 02:47:00,590
to kind of gather some numbers up, and we discussed several different factors.

2041
02:47:00,590 --> 02:47:06,930
we discuss what the actual dollars are to do the new hiring, to do the raises that's been proposed.

2042
02:47:07,730 --> 02:47:09,650
Look at the tax rate that's been proposed.

2043
02:47:10,430 --> 02:47:16,370
Also look at the FMLR numbers that are certainly that we have to discuss further.

2044
02:47:17,830 --> 02:47:25,130
We are experiencing a lot of overhead that we didn't have last year for the amount of work that we're doing.

2045
02:47:25,130 --> 02:47:33,310
I know that Mr. White, Mr. Howell and myself, after looking at the numbers that Steve provided on some of that,

2046
02:47:33,970 --> 02:47:43,030
we're going to have to go back and re-address, pulling that money some of it, at least back into FMLR, and I'm just led into that, Steve,

2047
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:44,950
so you don't look like the villain here. Go ahead.

2048
02:47:46,520 --> 02:47:56,350
I certainly understand that I do not walk in yellow shoes as being elected representatives of the voters.

2049
02:47:56,350 --> 02:48:00,970
But I think the way that the state has

2050
02:48:05,060 --> 02:48:12,260
limited us in being able to have flexibility with future tax rates.

2051
02:48:13,240 --> 02:48:15,160
And given that

2052
02:48:17,180 --> 02:48:22,960
the road and bridge, the FMLR hasn't changed in several years.

2053
02:48:23,820 --> 02:48:34,120
I think it would be a good public policy to consider adding a half-cent to the FMLR rate at least.

2054
02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:36,380
Yeah, at least, I agree.

2055
02:48:36,620 --> 02:48:41,900
And we gave up a cent years ago to help balance a budget during the leaner times,

2056
02:48:43,780 --> 02:48:48,320
trying to retain employees and go on and on about why we did it.

2057
02:48:48,780 --> 02:48:54,440
that has been brought up for the last four or five years to talk about when do we put

2058
02:48:54,440 --> 02:48:57,380
it back in. Well, we were there.

2059
02:48:59,490 --> 02:49:01,730
Anything any of you guys have to say on it, I'll let

2060
02:49:01,730 --> 02:49:06,390
you talk, but I'm just, I made the recommendation that we recapture that.

2061
02:49:08,430 --> 02:49:12,490
Who are you going to come up with money? We're not going to, we're going to leave that tax

2062
02:49:12,490 --> 02:49:13,110
right on the front.

2063
02:49:14,490 --> 02:49:18,090
I'm not going to vote on budget and leave that tax right at the same. We don't lower that

2064
02:49:18,090 --> 02:49:21,910
budget, and I'm not going to vote. I'm already told you all that.

2065
02:49:22,070 --> 02:49:25,570
One cent on a $40,000 house makes about $40.

2066
02:49:26,030 --> 02:49:31,810
I don't care. If we don't lower taxes for our citizens, I'm not voting on this budget.

2067
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:36,850
I'm one person, but I think I got more support than myself.

2068
02:49:37,530 --> 02:49:40,830
I hope so, but I don't mean that.

2069
02:49:41,550 --> 02:49:45,910
We're just trying to, it's not about this year's budget, it's about next year's budget.

2070
02:49:45,910 --> 02:49:47,490
It's about this year's budget.

2071
02:49:47,710 --> 02:49:48,830
That's what we're working on.

2072
02:49:48,990 --> 02:49:52,690
Yeah, but this year's budget is going to be a direct impact

2073
02:49:52,690 --> 02:49:53,750
to next year's.

2074
02:49:57,280 --> 02:49:57,820
Better to integrate.

2075
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,860
Great calculations and all based on that.

2076
02:50:04,700 --> 02:50:09,170
I mean, we're trying to retain and keep employees.

2077
02:50:09,170 --> 02:50:13,550
It is a market place out there for people to steal

2078
02:50:13,550 --> 02:50:14,330
our employees.

2079
02:50:14,770 --> 02:50:16,170
Turn county and I get that.

2080
02:50:16,630 --> 02:50:19,370
I'm not questioning the raise that our employees deserve

2081
02:50:19,370 --> 02:50:22,450
wherever need, rents going up, utilities going up,

2082
02:50:22,590 --> 02:50:25,590
groceries going up, anybody can see that.

2083
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:31,890
But we are under a, I'll just throw some numbers out here

2084
02:50:31,890 --> 02:50:32,730
and then I'm gonna shut up.

2085
02:50:35,270 --> 02:50:39,010
We got 20 new employees proposed.

2086
02:50:43,510 --> 02:50:47,870
That will be an increased $824,500.

2087
02:50:49,570 --> 02:50:51,830
Rodent bridge, the two positions that I want

2088
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:59,050
on top of that, because it's different out of the budget, is 175,000, 176,000, I'm sorry,

2089
02:50:59,170 --> 02:51:10,030
there's a million, we got for the positions of just changing position numbers and such

2090
02:51:10,030 --> 02:51:18,230
as another 254,000, where I'm going with this, as you get over here to the bottom line,

2091
02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:21,040
current

2092
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:29,840
operations $75,692,000 with all the adjustments that we're talking about is going to be $85,608,000,

2093
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:36,340
if I'm reading Steve's numbers, if I'm wrong, Steve. The thing about it is, is that revenue

2094
02:51:36,340 --> 02:51:41,640
kept that we're all living under. We can balance this year's budget and lower them taxes

2095
02:51:41,640 --> 02:51:51,320
is two cents, we can do a lot of things and certainly need to do, but the impact of income

2096
02:51:51,320 --> 02:51:55,560
that we're going to receive off a new growth that wasn't declared this year going forward

2097
02:51:56,410 --> 02:52:01,160
is not going to be as much as what we experienced in this last year.

2098
02:52:02,200 --> 02:52:07,840
Construction costs have gone up, interest rates have gone up so there's a curve, it's slowing,

2099
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:13,120
But a lot of the properties that were built that came on the tax road are there.

2100
02:52:13,380 --> 02:52:18,080
There's a lot of new development out there, but not near the amount of what we brought

2101
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:23,540
in this last year, a billion half year before last, two billion this last year, those numbers

2102
02:52:23,540 --> 02:52:24,360
are about to tank.

2103
02:52:24,620 --> 02:52:30,440
But I would remind you, about six years ago, when Halliburton left here, and we had so

2104
02:52:30,440 --> 02:52:34,500
many other things, we lost three billion dollars, lost three billion dollars that year.

2105
02:52:35,300 --> 02:52:36,400
This is equitable.

2106
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:39,140
You're talking about a $3 billion increase.

2107
02:52:39,320 --> 02:52:41,260
We're just still capturing back what we lost.

2108
02:52:45,030 --> 02:52:51,230
And we are one of the, and Larry, I won't chime what you had brought up earlier on in this.

2109
02:52:51,530 --> 02:52:58,850
In the state of Texas, 254 counties, we're not in the top 25%, we're in the top 18% for the lowest tax rate in the state.

2110
02:53:00,190 --> 02:53:02,410
And that comes from good governing up here.

2111
02:53:02,530 --> 02:53:02,830
It does.

2112
02:53:03,090 --> 02:53:05,290
We have had lean times and we've had good years.

2113
02:53:05,290 --> 02:53:11,910
We got a good year this year, but we're hiring 20 new employees and proposed 8% increase.

2114
02:53:13,550 --> 02:53:23,770
It is a lot of money that's going to affect next year's budget with a revenue cap, and I'm just going to stop.

2115
02:53:26,990 --> 02:53:28,490
Leave that tax rate where it works at.

2116
02:53:33,020 --> 02:53:41,740
Well, Commissioner, I'm just sitting here calculating your budget's going to be $2,95,000 more because all the new property values this year.

2117
02:53:44,280 --> 02:53:47,100
I don't disagree with that. My house went up about a hundred percent.

2118
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:53,270
I don't want to do it when you're a house. I'm going to tell them about it.

2119
02:53:58,290 --> 02:54:00,610
Percent two is up to 72.

2120
02:54:02,350 --> 02:54:09,670
But how much of the, how much of that are the raises taken out of?

2121
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:14,170
Well, I don't know. I mean, because I haven't calculated that. But I'm just saying.

2122
02:54:14,890 --> 02:54:16,570
I'm looking over all numbers. Right.

2123
02:54:16,570 --> 02:54:24,150
Well, me, my, my precinct personally, I didn't request anything extra added into my line

2124
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:24,430
items.

2125
02:54:24,750 --> 02:54:26,870
I had to cut to make my balance.

2126
02:54:27,710 --> 02:54:30,230
I didn't have enough in the fund balance to cover it.

2127
02:54:30,390 --> 02:54:40,390
So we were doing some research this morning looking back over the past few years and I'll just

2128
02:54:40,390 --> 02:54:44,510
give the combined total fund balance for each of the four precincts.

2129
02:54:44,510 --> 02:54:50,070
So this is all y'all together, not one precinct in particular.

2130
02:54:50,270 --> 02:54:54,750
But at the end of fiscal year 18, the four precincts had

2131
02:54:55,710 --> 02:55:02,170
7.1 million in fund balance at the end of 19, 6.4.

2132
02:55:02,850 --> 02:55:10,270
At the end of 25.3, at the end of 21, 5.2.

2133
02:55:10,270 --> 02:55:18,090
and we are projecting the end of fiscal 22 that the 4 precincts combined fund balance will be 3.7.

2134
02:55:22,010 --> 02:55:31,110
You know Judge several years ago you and I met and I showed you this pattern on paper and the fact that

2135
02:55:31,850 --> 02:55:41,750
with current taxation and road and bridge the function of the road and bridge departments isn't sustainable financially

2136
02:55:42,550 --> 02:55:50,490
And I think those figures that I appreciate you bringing that forward, Steve, because that's never been since I've been sitting here.

2137
02:55:50,930 --> 02:55:52,570
That's never been presented.

2138
02:55:53,090 --> 02:55:57,330
And I think that tells all we're at our fund balance.

2139
02:55:58,090 --> 02:56:02,570
And Rodin Bridge has dropped 50 percent.

2140
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:05,210
It's half what wasn't in 2018.

2141
02:56:05,690 --> 02:56:06,590
We've not kept up.

2142
02:56:06,590 --> 02:56:10,380
But they have not kept their hands.

2143
02:56:10,480 --> 02:56:15,560
They tell people that Rodin Bridge for the entire county is funded with a force in

2144
02:56:15,560 --> 02:56:19,100
attacks, usually I get, you know, their mouth falls open.

2145
02:56:19,660 --> 02:56:20,740
Like, how does that work?

2146
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:24,100
Well, obviously it's going to catch up with us.

2147
02:56:24,780 --> 02:56:26,780
I think we're there.

2148
02:56:27,420 --> 02:56:33,540
Well, I'm not for, I'm not for, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not saying you don't need some

2149
02:56:33,540 --> 02:56:42,860
increases Larry but I'm just saying you're getting some increases already. We can add some additional

2150
02:56:42,860 --> 02:56:53,160
there in our estimates of our reserves. I mean of our revenues are very conservative. We can

2151
02:56:54,500 --> 02:57:03,080
to help that. But I'm just saying if we don't know this, we owe it to the tax payer.

2152
02:57:03,400 --> 02:57:07,720
And I'm not saying that because you gentlemen sitting here, I said this for a year of a

2153
02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:15,240
cane. If we don't know that tax rate, and I'm total agreement that the problem of our

2154
02:57:15,240 --> 02:57:21,280
tax rate is Austin, Texas, putting pressure on their central

2155
02:57:21,280 --> 02:57:26,100
praise or districts. Well, we don't have any cloud. They

2156
02:57:26,100 --> 02:57:31,870
come in, they do those samplings, they call our school

2157
02:57:31,870 --> 02:57:36,410
taxes killing. People will get where they can't even

2158
02:57:36,410 --> 02:57:40,630
afford to buy home. If they do, they can't afford to stay

2159
02:57:40,630 --> 02:57:44,570
in it. And Judge, I don't disagree that we need to reduce

2160
02:57:44,570 --> 02:57:50,290
the tax rate but we've got to do some balancing here like this thing or well I'm I'm y'all

2161
02:57:50,290 --> 02:57:56,470
show me hand I'm all for it. You ask us the other day or yes in my response was that

2162
02:57:56,470 --> 02:58:02,350
I thought we needed to reduce the tax rate of scent and I still stand with that today but this

2163
02:58:03,510 --> 02:58:10,330
this rodent bridge deal will not sustain itself. No next year there won't be any fun balance and

2164
02:58:10,330 --> 02:58:15,610
And that being said, guys, if I'm out, you know, you give up that scent this year.

2165
02:58:17,590 --> 02:58:21,690
And there's a falloff coming forward.

2166
02:58:22,010 --> 02:58:24,130
We ain't even talk about next year's expenses.

2167
02:58:24,270 --> 02:58:26,170
We know we're going in curve, such as vehicles.

2168
02:58:26,370 --> 02:58:27,550
It's been talked about earlier on.

2169
02:58:28,670 --> 02:58:34,310
You talk about just inflation of all commodities, even our electric bill.

2170
02:58:34,950 --> 02:58:40,950
At the end of December this year, we're going from a 3 cent kilowatt hour at the county

2171
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:43,410
to possibly a 7.5 cent kilowatt.

2172
02:58:43,830 --> 02:58:45,290
I've talked about that.

2173
02:58:46,830 --> 02:58:48,730
That's astronomical numbers, guys.

2174
02:58:49,850 --> 02:58:58,050
And when you start talking about the unknowns, it's a real great cloudy crystal ball.

2175
02:58:58,210 --> 02:59:00,450
We don't know, but we do know there's going to be changes.

2176
02:59:01,010 --> 02:59:03,030
We do know that there's going to come with a cost.

2177
02:59:03,430 --> 02:59:07,530
But if we're just trying to stay flat here this year, we're going to pay for it next year.

2178
02:59:08,130 --> 02:59:09,630
We're going to pay for it next year.

2179
02:59:09,910 --> 02:59:12,110
If we give it up this year, we're going to pay for it.

2180
02:59:12,110 --> 02:59:13,570
If you're going to get it back in, you're not.

2181
02:59:14,090 --> 02:59:15,690
I totally disagree with you.

2182
02:59:15,790 --> 02:59:21,410
I know you're not looking at what are the tax roles going to be in this county next year.

2183
02:59:22,090 --> 02:59:23,310
They're going to be substantial.

2184
02:59:24,830 --> 02:59:25,430
We hope.

2185
02:59:26,330 --> 02:59:27,050
There's no hope.

2186
02:59:27,050 --> 02:59:28,270
Well, it's going to happen.

2187
02:59:28,850 --> 02:59:31,750
I'll be one way your own side with you.

2188
02:59:42,170 --> 02:59:44,770
If Rodenbridge doesn't get their portion of this back

2189
02:59:44,770 --> 02:59:47,050
this year, we're all going to be in the red next year,

2190
02:59:47,270 --> 02:59:47,830
you're saying.

2191
02:59:48,990 --> 02:59:52,970
Steve, what you said, if that would be a start,

2192
02:59:54,010 --> 02:59:55,690
and I'm just putting this out there.

2193
02:59:56,190 --> 02:59:57,990
Everybody's going to welcome to discuss it.

2194
03:00:00,590 --> 03:00:09,910
What if we set the tax rate at 41.5 and then put a nickel, take that nickel that I'm adding to it, put that in F.M. I want.

2195
03:00:12,170 --> 03:00:30,430
If it were me, and again, I'm not, I'm not sitting in yours, shoes, and I don't vote, but that's what I would do, because if I add a, well, that's going to generate. I'm sorry. I didn't let you think I apologize. That if the tax rate was.

2196
03:00:30,430 --> 03:00:43,570
of 0.415, then we'd have 1.1, almost 1.2, to split up between the precincts.

2197
03:00:43,790 --> 03:00:47,330
Well, a penny generates about a million, seven.

2198
03:00:47,450 --> 03:00:49,630
Yeah, 1.688.

2199
03:00:51,030 --> 03:00:54,190
Well, half of that is roughly

2200
03:00:56,490 --> 03:00:57,490
800,000.

2201
03:00:58,250 --> 03:00:59,890
Well, that's for general fund.

2202
03:01:00,050 --> 03:01:01,790
It's a little bit, it generates a little bit.

2203
03:01:01,790 --> 03:01:05,250
Yeah, a little more often, because the tax abatement is down to

2204
03:01:05,250 --> 03:01:10,150
apply for road and bridge tax, but it's a negligent.

2205
03:01:10,210 --> 03:01:13,230
I mean, it's a V1.701.

2206
03:01:15,640 --> 03:01:19,020
You know, if our tax base made the difference that the school tax

2207
03:01:19,020 --> 03:01:20,820
base made, it'd be real simple.

2208
03:01:22,080 --> 03:01:28,960
But when you figure a cent on a half a million dollar property equals

2209
03:01:29,500 --> 03:01:33,560
over the course of that loan on a year, about 60 or 70 bucks,

2210
03:01:33,560 --> 03:01:37,980
looks. What have we really done? I mean, that's, I mean, that's a

2211
03:01:37,980 --> 03:01:40,720
faxable value. What they're going to collect on that for that, for that

2212
03:01:40,720 --> 03:01:45,420
dollar amount of property, one cent, two cents. You know, we lowered it

2213
03:01:45,420 --> 03:01:49,520
on nickel. If you remember last year, we lowered it five cents

2214
03:01:49,520 --> 03:01:54,460
last year, because we were anticipating all of this growth, was it

2215
03:01:54,460 --> 03:01:57,420
year before? Well, we were half a cent last year. Okay. We were

2216
03:01:57,420 --> 03:02:01,180
participants. We were, we were thinking that we were going to have all

2217
03:02:01,180 --> 03:02:03,740
and you grow the next year you're right, thanks for clarifying.

2218
03:02:04,400 --> 03:02:08,260
But if you look at it, all we could do last year was at half-sense.

2219
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:12,860
We did five cents, it really equated out to about closer to 10

2220
03:02:13,300 --> 03:02:16,120
when you get right down to it, but to the taxpayer itself

2221
03:02:16,120 --> 03:02:17,460
it was about a five-cent cut.

2222
03:02:19,220 --> 03:02:20,740
Last year we didn't have it.

2223
03:02:21,400 --> 03:02:24,060
This year we got it next year, I'm afraid we may not.

2224
03:02:24,580 --> 03:02:26,600
And I don't, it's not an argument point.

2225
03:02:26,760 --> 03:02:28,800
It's just where we're at here with these numbers,

2226
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:31,060
is about nine and a half million dollar deficit here.

2227
03:02:31,660 --> 03:02:33,020
We got a three and a half cent cap.

2228
03:02:33,020 --> 03:02:34,480
We're going to be looking at next year.

2229
03:02:35,140 --> 03:02:36,660
Where are we going to come up with the money?

2230
03:02:37,160 --> 03:02:40,620
And as far as the pre-sanks don't for years

2231
03:02:40,620 --> 03:02:43,740
without that increase, I can tell you just in my field budget,

2232
03:02:43,780 --> 03:02:45,360
I spent 50 grand more this year.

2233
03:02:45,500 --> 03:02:46,280
Every one of you did.

2234
03:02:47,200 --> 03:02:49,520
You know, and not to mention the hot oil

2235
03:02:49,940 --> 03:02:53,320
where it was $12,000 of tanker loads, 18 to 20 now.

2236
03:02:53,580 --> 03:02:54,160
I mean, come on.

2237
03:02:54,160 --> 03:03:02,740
Well, hot mix asphalt went from $58 to $90 a ton, but I put that out there and this is

2238
03:03:02,740 --> 03:03:09,180
the way I'm sitting here doing my math on my big chief notebook again and at 41 cents,

2239
03:03:09,900 --> 03:03:19,220
we had this budget completed and looking good with an overage of $332.99 and road bridge

2240
03:03:19,220 --> 03:03:22,840
is definitely in trouble because I had to cut mine way back.

2241
03:03:22,840 --> 03:03:27,620
There wasn't enough money to fund my budget, Stephen, I worked it out and we got it done.

2242
03:03:28,540 --> 03:03:35,100
But we had this budget completed and in good shape, 41 cents with that extra and that

2243
03:03:35,100 --> 03:03:43,700
nickel, or not not nickel, I'm sorry, that half a cent would, would I think be a good

2244
03:03:43,700 --> 03:03:51,040
start to correct in FMLR and then maybe with the possibility of getting another half a

2245
03:03:51,040 --> 03:03:55,320
percent in the next budget, which would be our penny back that we gave up way back.

2246
03:03:56,080 --> 03:04:01,300
But I'm just kind of looking at it in simple numbers, and if that half a cent works to

2247
03:04:01,300 --> 03:04:06,920
get the FMLR back in, and the 41 cents funds this budget exactly the way we have it written,

2248
03:04:09,350 --> 03:04:15,490
then that's why I just felt like, you know, said it at 41.5 cents, but the nickel, but

2249
03:04:15,490 --> 03:04:23,450
of pardon me, I keep saying that the half of Penie would go strictly to FM LR, strictly

2250
03:04:23,450 --> 03:04:29,950
to the road and that would, Steve, don't you think, be enough to make a good correction

2251
03:04:29,950 --> 03:04:33,170
to what we lost?

2252
03:04:33,570 --> 03:04:33,830
Yes.

2253
03:04:38,790 --> 03:04:39,890
I got a better plan.

2254
03:04:42,450 --> 03:04:43,690
Now get your smiles.

2255
03:04:48,020 --> 03:04:49,660
I'm laughing too.

2256
03:04:51,960 --> 03:04:58,880
Sometimes you're playing's warriors, judge. We mean sometimes. I've been doing this

2257
03:04:58,880 --> 03:05:01,720
28 years, we've come a long ways, guys.

2258
03:05:04,600 --> 03:05:04,900
Okay,

2259
03:05:09,230 --> 03:05:15,070
and I'm going to put my conservative approach back here

2260
03:05:15,070 --> 03:05:21,770
a little bit. Let me give you a good example. We budgeted, if you look at our budget revenues

2261
03:05:21,770 --> 03:05:31,810
for the sales tax revenue, from the sales tax issue. From, well, I'll take a second

2262
03:05:31,810 --> 03:05:34,710
I'll take, is from the highway

2263
03:05:37,080 --> 03:05:41,580
tax fees. And I'm going to explain something to all of you.

2264
03:05:41,580 --> 03:05:45,940
We talked a little bit, Steve and I bill at lunch.

2265
03:05:48,220 --> 03:05:56,320
We budgeted for this coming year, how it takes face to me in 5,000.

2266
03:05:59,100 --> 03:06:09,180
This year, from the State Comptroller's office, we received a check for 2,000, 714,000.

2267
03:06:09,180 --> 03:06:17,480
Now, Steve and I were both on board about being conservative about this number, and I'll

2268
03:06:17,480 --> 03:06:18,020
tell you why.

2269
03:06:18,180 --> 03:06:28,240
The Texas legislature changed the process of tax revenue on the purchase of cars and

2270
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:31,940
mobile homes and travel trailers to

2271
03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:39,900
the purchaser wherever if he lives in Fort Worth and buys

2272
03:06:39,900 --> 03:06:45,380
it in Johnson County, the sales tax revenue goes to that county.

2273
03:06:46,880 --> 03:07:01,160
Now what concerns Steve and I was RV fun time RV and the other RV places throughout

2274
03:07:01,540 --> 03:07:02,500
Johnson County.

2275
03:07:03,580 --> 03:07:07,760
A lot of those purchases are from people that do not live in Johnson County.

2276
03:07:09,080 --> 03:07:17,620
So we're going to lose some there but and and and and really this is kind of

2277
03:07:17,620 --> 03:07:21,240
guess and we've tried to check out and we can't come up within concrete

2278
03:07:21,240 --> 03:07:28,880
numbers. I talked with Scott Porter on this and Steve on this and most

2279
03:07:28,880 --> 03:07:35,300
vehicles that are purchased on the majority bases are not purchased I'm saying

2280
03:07:35,300 --> 03:07:39,080
in Johnson County probably purchase outside Johnson County.

2281
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:42,500
So we're going to get that revenue back.

2282
03:07:44,780 --> 03:07:55,730
Now we cut this budget $700,000 in revenue that we could have left in there because I really

2283
03:07:55,730 --> 03:08:01,190
think, but I can't prove it right now, proof that all the saying is, proofs in the pudding,

2284
03:08:02,170 --> 03:08:05,450
proof won't be in pudding until we get those results from next January.

2285
03:08:07,730 --> 03:08:12,410
but I think that we could put

2286
03:08:14,940 --> 03:08:21,720
400,000 of that back into revenue, take this

2287
03:08:21,720 --> 03:08:29,120
332,000 that were already, divide that among you commissioners, leave that

2288
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:33,020
tax rate at 41 cents and go down the road.

2289
03:08:33,020 --> 03:08:40,240
It was January, what was January's number on that income that was just ready?

2290
03:08:40,700 --> 03:08:42,080
Well, we tried to find out and we can't.

2291
03:08:42,320 --> 03:08:47,900
It actually comes in March and that's when our law went into effect and March won.

2292
03:08:48,380 --> 03:09:00,340
We haven't, Scott has contacted the State and tried to get good data on the commission

2293
03:09:00,340 --> 03:09:07,420
that would be generated from March through July, and only, hopefully, he could compare

2294
03:09:07,420 --> 03:09:10,680
it to last year's, but he, because we only get that payment once a year.

2295
03:09:10,840 --> 03:09:14,680
So it's not like we're getting monthly payments from the State for that, but he's not

2296
03:09:14,680 --> 03:09:16,420
being able to get that.

2297
03:09:16,740 --> 03:09:18,980
Well, it's not an argument, but it's just a thought.

2298
03:09:19,280 --> 03:09:24,760
In the same principle, same breath, the income that comes off those RVs or stationary

2299
03:09:24,760 --> 03:09:32,240
here, but that option also is to our dealers in Burleson, all the major players are there,

2300
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:36,580
whether or not they're actually doing their business in Johnson County or Tarrant County

2301
03:09:36,580 --> 03:09:37,280
or Ellis County.

2302
03:09:37,460 --> 03:09:37,900
Where are they going?

2303
03:09:37,920 --> 03:09:39,940
Some are in Tarrant, some in Johnson.

2304
03:09:40,260 --> 03:09:41,020
That's my point.

2305
03:09:41,320 --> 03:09:44,280
But I mean, you're going to sell a heck of a lot more vehicles.

2306
03:09:45,960 --> 03:09:48,460
The population in this county is going up dramatically.

2307
03:09:49,180 --> 03:09:53,640
It has, but I'm just saying, if we've lost that revenue stream without having those numbers

2308
03:09:53,640 --> 03:09:59,020
Because it's going to reflect, you know, without those, I mean, it's, yeah, we

2309
03:09:59,020 --> 03:10:03,560
may be getting this much in on these RVs, but we may be losing as much or more on

2310
03:10:03,560 --> 03:10:04,040
these vehicles.

2311
03:10:04,520 --> 03:10:10,720
That's exactly, that's true, but I don't, you know, I'm the one who's, that's my shoes,

2312
03:10:10,960 --> 03:10:17,380
I have to certify the revenue projection, and I'm not super comfortable with being not

2313
03:10:17,380 --> 03:10:21,540
conservative with that estimate, because I'm the one on the hook for that.

2314
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:34,300
So basically judge you the existing quick numbers are $732,549 that would and it's not but could

2315
03:10:34,300 --> 03:10:41,780
be a well available for FML or and there's other items in here that that give us a little

2316
03:10:41,780 --> 03:10:49,900
cushion. I don't I don't know what Becky's done with her County clerk phase. Asher we budgeted

2317
03:10:49,900 --> 03:10:57,300
a million four hundred thousand. For next year we raised that to a million five, just

2318
03:10:57,300 --> 03:11:04,500
a hundred thousand. I really would be surprised if it wasn't a lot more than a hundred thousand.

2319
03:11:13,250 --> 03:11:18,530
If you drove by the courthouse today and saw all the cars that was over there on the way

2320
03:11:18,530 --> 03:11:23,530
to work, just tell me that place was packed. They're back doing business full time.

2321
03:11:31,310 --> 03:11:34,510
I think it's I'm just telling y'all

2322
03:11:36,750 --> 03:11:41,430
and this is nothing to do with political. I'm not running for office.

2323
03:11:41,770 --> 03:11:49,910
I think what we need to do as much as we can for the taxpayers by cutting the taxes also.

2324
03:11:49,910 --> 03:11:57,430
So, and there again, I'm not saying that because you're sitting here, but we got to,

2325
03:11:57,630 --> 03:11:58,590
and that's the fine line.

2326
03:11:58,770 --> 03:11:59,670
We have to walk here.

2327
03:12:00,330 --> 03:12:04,510
I mean, the state tells us how to fund our deal, and that's our only option.

2328
03:12:05,290 --> 03:12:10,830
And all the new growth, it's a blessing, but it's also a curse because with all that new

2329
03:12:10,830 --> 03:12:17,450
growth, we got to provide more services, cause more money, or it's kind of a fine line to walk,

2330
03:12:17,450 --> 03:12:25,810
And it's we don't have a crystal ball to figure it out. I don't know how much we can cut it, but I I think I

2331
03:12:27,110 --> 03:12:32,170
Think we need to bring it down as much as we can, but still provide the services that they're expecting and

2332
03:12:33,030 --> 03:12:36,050
Then I thought we kind of had that figured out and then

2333
03:12:37,150 --> 03:12:40,670
Yeah, here's here's a deal right now Rick. He's up

2334
03:12:41,590 --> 03:12:44,170
For next year about two and a half thousand more

2335
03:12:44,730 --> 03:12:51,150
Kenny, you're 272, my cuter 295, but area 319,

2336
03:12:54,150 --> 03:12:56,150
and you know something I'm fixing to say,

2337
03:12:56,290 --> 03:12:56,490
Kenny.

2338
03:12:59,910 --> 03:13:03,110
He's already negative this year, so you can't get on it.

2339
03:13:03,110 --> 03:13:05,810
If we take a break because I'm sick, you can't get picked on real.

2340
03:13:08,140 --> 03:13:13,160
We can just use an area just to act straight, just a little bit, and move it over to these

2341
03:13:13,160 --> 03:13:15,140
other two commissioners and help them out.

2342
03:13:15,140 --> 03:13:21,760
I want to I want everybody to work to you. I had it. You know we we do have a lot. We just went through

2343
03:13:21,760 --> 03:13:28,880
We different than you road miles just went down to nothing. Yeah, but my but I could not meet my budget take care of the road miles I got

2344
03:13:31,000 --> 03:13:38,060
We've got lots of folks out there watching and listening so here it is guys. Hey, I'm not gonna miss this job a bit y'all

2345
03:13:38,740 --> 03:13:43,260
The taxpayer needs relief from property taxes. Amen. Yes, amen

2346
03:13:44,740 --> 03:13:54,920
How is $40 on a $400,000 on a cent going to make a difference? Tell me how. How is what

2347
03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:55,960
we do up here?

2348
03:13:56,520 --> 03:13:57,360
That's the tax payer.

2349
03:13:57,540 --> 03:14:04,080
The tax payers are seeing a number. They're not seeing. You can sit here and say, we lowered

2350
03:14:04,080 --> 03:14:08,560
property taxes all day, but I guarantee you that the tax rate, not the taxes.

2351
03:14:08,560 --> 03:14:16,380
Yeah, that's right. Thank you. I mean, it has not it is a misguided misconception that if we lower the taxes here

2352
03:14:16,380 --> 03:14:20,180
two cents or one cent or even that nickel we did two and a half years ago

2353
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:29,740
it does not bring their tax bill down enough to justify it. We have to have operating money here

2354
03:14:30,540 --> 03:14:36,420
we are behind on our road and bridge. We trying to retain employees. We're trying to make new

2355
03:14:36,420 --> 03:14:45,400
We're trying to provide services for more people as Mr. White just eloquently laid out.

2356
03:14:45,720 --> 03:14:52,220
It is a time that we can celebrate that there's enough growth here to justify it.

2357
03:14:54,190 --> 03:14:59,990
But we've seen good years and we've seen some real bad years sitting up here.

2358
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,020
I did not so pretty. Our refunds is muddy to water because we can go buy things. We can get things this year. But guess what? Next year, we're not going to have those monies. Hopefully, we're going to have give them where they need to go and do projects, whether it be the nonprofits or whether it be sewer plants. We have got to look ahead to next year with a revenue cap. And hopefully, pray to God, it didn't go any lower than that. But if you look at all the numbers that are proposed here,

2359
03:15:29,960 --> 03:15:31,940
There's a real good chance next year.

2360
03:15:31,940 --> 03:15:34,160
We're going to be coming back to the taxpayers and say,

2361
03:15:34,240 --> 03:15:37,360
oh, we want to raise taxes because guess what?

2362
03:15:37,640 --> 03:15:39,020
Our rodent bridges are down.

2363
03:15:39,260 --> 03:15:40,540
We can't keep up with the growth.

2364
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:42,820
We can't keep up with what we've got to do here.

2365
03:15:43,400 --> 03:15:45,540
I'm not saying take nothing away from our employers.

2366
03:15:45,540 --> 03:15:46,680
They've won them deserve it.

2367
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:49,480
But we do not need to lower this tax rate.

2368
03:15:50,880 --> 03:15:51,420
It's going back.

2369
03:15:51,640 --> 03:15:53,060
It's going to haunt us next year, Judge.

2370
03:15:53,140 --> 03:15:53,920
No, it's not.

2371
03:15:54,520 --> 03:15:56,540
Rick, you're not looking down the road.

2372
03:15:56,700 --> 03:15:56,820
Yeah.

2373
03:15:57,380 --> 03:15:58,660
I am looking down the road.

2374
03:15:58,700 --> 03:15:59,180
You are not.

2375
03:15:59,560 --> 03:15:59,860
I am.

2376
03:16:00,160 --> 03:16:00,840
You really?

2377
03:16:01,180 --> 03:16:02,220
I don't believe it.

2378
03:16:02,460 --> 03:16:04,480
I'm not trying to be ugly with you.

2379
03:16:04,500 --> 03:16:05,360
No, I know I'm not.

2380
03:16:05,800 --> 03:16:07,180
We've been through a lot up here.

2381
03:16:07,760 --> 03:16:09,100
Let me finish.

2382
03:16:09,200 --> 03:16:10,020
Let me tell you.

2383
03:16:10,260 --> 03:16:12,920
So you don't want you to look at it on this basis, if you would.

2384
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:20,740
We had $2 billion of new tax base issue.

2385
03:16:21,360 --> 03:16:27,080
This county has never in the history of this county had that type of an increase.

2386
03:16:27,080 --> 03:16:33,020
and we're going to be at it again next year. Now, this year we've had to deal with it because

2387
03:16:33,020 --> 03:16:39,280
that ugly word called inflation. And that's what basing, that's what John was talking about.

2388
03:16:39,700 --> 03:16:45,420
And your budget is inflationary trends that's hit your budget and it definitely has.

2389
03:16:46,340 --> 03:16:53,300
Because a lot of your budget is in your all that you put on your road bases

2390
03:16:53,300 --> 03:16:58,420
and then you feel that you use for all maintenance of your equipment to run your equipment.

2391
03:16:59,300 --> 03:17:05,580
So inflation next year, and I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm going to tell you it's

2392
03:17:05,580 --> 03:17:07,460
not going to be like it is this year,

2393
03:17:10,750 --> 03:17:15,570
and not only is it your budget, it's a budget in

2394
03:17:15,570 --> 03:17:23,970
the county, it's going to be effective because the revenues are going to be high enough that

2395
03:17:23,970 --> 03:17:29,130
you're going to have to lower that tax rate not only this year but next year too if you do what's

2396
03:17:29,130 --> 03:17:36,510
right. Let's not misguide the public. I'm not misgrick. I've done this story. I know sir but it's

2397
03:17:36,510 --> 03:17:42,670
not two billion dollars in our coffers. It's a crude value so how much of that goes to the school

2398
03:17:42,670 --> 03:17:49,650
says how much that goes to the state. You got city taxes. The county portion of that money that

2399
03:17:49,650 --> 03:17:51,210
that increases all we're talking about here,

2400
03:17:51,530 --> 03:17:52,810
we didn't get that $2 billion.

2401
03:17:53,650 --> 03:17:55,090
We got our portion of that.

2402
03:17:57,770 --> 03:18:01,330
And it's just when you're doing 20 new hires

2403
03:18:01,330 --> 03:18:02,890
and giving those kind of raises,

2404
03:18:03,590 --> 03:18:06,590
I just say that we have to be mindful

2405
03:18:06,590 --> 03:18:10,490
that we wouldn't for that revenue cap.

2406
03:18:10,590 --> 03:18:11,890
Man, we'd all be saying it in dancing,

2407
03:18:11,930 --> 03:18:13,010
but it is there.

2408
03:18:13,430 --> 03:18:15,030
Well, we're okay there.

2409
03:18:15,630 --> 03:18:18,010
But we're okay there now, I agree.

2410
03:18:18,190 --> 03:18:19,710
And we will be next year too.

2411
03:18:19,710 --> 03:18:29,980
But let me read to you. This is last year's budget book. This budget will raise more revenue

2412
03:18:29,980 --> 03:18:38,320
from property taxes than last year's budget by the amount of $5,716,303 dollars.

2413
03:18:45,140 --> 03:18:45,500
That's

2414
03:18:45,500 --> 03:18:53,780
a lot. This year is going to be substantially higher than last year's and next year is

2415
03:18:53,780 --> 03:19:00,260
going to be equal to this year's, if not more. So what I'm saying is, look down that

2416
03:19:00,260 --> 03:19:09,080
road, don't paint yourself in a hole before you get to it, because it's going to be there.

2417
03:19:10,880 --> 03:19:18,700
You can look at the last four or five years in this one. We've got an increase because

2418
03:19:18,700 --> 03:19:24,660
of population and let me give you another good example. Let me back up just

2419
03:19:24,660 --> 03:19:30,180
a second. The states budget this year, when they adopted it, they were

2420
03:19:30,180 --> 03:19:37,820
projecting a five billion dollar loss in revenues. They covered ever been

2421
03:19:37,820 --> 03:19:47,860
that because the growth of the state and then some. So we all know that you can

2422
03:19:47,860 --> 03:19:49,740
You can't hear it all the new homes going up.

2423
03:19:50,320 --> 03:19:55,040
A lot of them, they might have a lot of foundations poured but the house is not built.

2424
03:19:56,640 --> 03:20:00,300
And this is not just here in Cleaver's throughout the whole county.

2425
03:20:01,100 --> 03:20:06,280
We have 27,000 new lots that homes are going to be built on.

2426
03:20:07,360 --> 03:20:08,240
And more to come,

2427
03:20:10,620 --> 03:20:15,240
Wall Street investors are investing in these houses are going to sell

2428
03:20:15,240 --> 03:20:18,840
because Wall Street investors are buying them, and they're going to rent them.

2429
03:20:19,800 --> 03:20:24,320
A lot of them, and people are upset about that too, by the way, if you've been watching

2430
03:20:24,320 --> 03:20:34,440
the news, but guys, I try to look down the road a little further because I don't ever project

2431
03:20:35,060 --> 03:20:36,420
past two years.

2432
03:20:37,400 --> 03:20:47,100
As a matter of fact, there's no expression I got caught with a little foresightedness

2433
03:20:47,100 --> 03:20:49,820
on inflation this year.

2434
03:20:49,980 --> 03:20:52,780
I never dreamed inflation would be like it was.

2435
03:20:54,160 --> 03:21:01,260
I don't think any of us did, but what I'm just trying to get across to you, your budget

2436
03:21:01,260 --> 03:21:03,480
next year is going to be strong.

2437
03:21:04,540 --> 03:21:13,260
so don't worry about just the next year is going to be good I think even the

2438
03:21:13,260 --> 03:21:21,010
next year is going to be good so I think that not only should you lower the

2439
03:21:21,010 --> 03:21:25,590
tax rate this year you should lower and that'll be up to the court I won't be

2440
03:21:25,590 --> 03:21:33,210
here but the court next year should lower the taxes again next year and possibly

2441
03:21:33,210 --> 03:21:39,690
I can see far enough down the road to lower another half cent to a penny year after that.

2442
03:21:41,090 --> 03:21:43,550
This tax rate, Tarant County is a good example.

2443
03:21:44,010 --> 03:21:50,150
Of course, they're sent with a million population, well in excess of the million population.

2444
03:21:52,910 --> 03:21:55,930
They have, I think it's a 26 cent tax rate.

2445
03:21:59,100 --> 03:22:07,540
This county is going to, if we can get to, the lowest I've seen this tax rate was 36 cent

2446
03:22:07,540 --> 03:22:17,060
cents. That was during the oil and gas boom that it was much we had $3.6 billion of additional

2447
03:22:17,060 --> 03:22:22,060
revenues due to this gas boom. We'll have

2448
03:22:24,650 --> 03:22:28,650
600 million I think this year got down to

2449
03:22:28,650 --> 03:22:34,750
400 and something million but because natural gas is up it's back up that numbers back up.

2450
03:22:36,350 --> 03:22:39,310
But the future of this county looks good.

2451
03:22:40,270 --> 03:22:42,270
Tarrick County's population, too many of you.

2452
03:22:42,330 --> 03:22:45,670
Yeah, I was thinking it was quite a bit more than a million now.

2453
03:22:45,890 --> 03:22:47,010
Ten times our county.

2454
03:22:47,670 --> 03:22:52,810
And they think that even in ten years it would be greater than Dallas County.

2455
03:22:54,330 --> 03:22:58,350
And Judge, I'm going to have a tendency to agree that I think I'm not going to go any further

2456
03:22:58,350 --> 03:23:03,250
than next year, but like I've said earlier in this court, I think next year will be up

2457
03:23:03,250 --> 03:23:06,650
simple because everything that's going on the ground right now is not on the

2458
03:23:06,650 --> 03:23:13,190
tax road. This what we're seeing is not on this tax road and Texas is very

2459
03:23:13,190 --> 03:23:19,810
famously known for being the very last state to be affected by recession. It was

2460
03:23:19,810 --> 03:23:27,650
that way back in 86 you know 10 2010 but I remember back in 1986 when

2461
03:23:27,650 --> 03:23:31,650
everybody thought the world come to an end with all the mortgage companies went

2462
03:23:31,650 --> 03:23:37,670
out of business for all of those loans they had made and the shutting out apartment complexes

2463
03:23:37,670 --> 03:23:44,570
you know people were just fleeing their not employed and there are but and it was it was 18

2464
03:23:44,570 --> 03:23:50,010
months before we felt it here and say the Texas we continued just going right on like there was

2465
03:23:50,010 --> 03:23:55,430
nothing to it and I think we're much said in that same position that there's so much going on and

2466
03:23:55,430 --> 03:24:01,310
so many new developments going in and so many new things coming to Johnson County that I think this

2467
03:24:01,310 --> 03:24:11,230
next year we will see another good number. Now, I'm not going to pass that because then you're

2468
03:24:11,230 --> 03:24:15,910
getting into that 18-month period that we may begin to feel it, but I don't think it's going to be

2469
03:24:15,910 --> 03:24:18,330
an effect a year for me.

2470
03:24:22,690 --> 03:24:26,170
One thing that I would point out based on a question that Commissioner White

2471
03:24:26,170 --> 03:24:34,810
asked me last week was about the unused increment which the state has given us the opportunity to use in

2472
03:24:34,810 --> 03:24:40,870
future years, to do anything that we've talked about doing,

2473
03:24:41,210 --> 03:24:44,770
we would be using the part of the 2020 unused increment.

2474
03:24:45,490 --> 03:25:03,030
But the 2021 unused increment is 0.00601, so there's not much there if it was needed next year of the year after that's a rolling three year.

2475
03:25:03,030 --> 03:25:08,510
So, that's 2021, so we'll be able to use that for a couple more years.

2476
03:25:16,860 --> 03:25:20,660
My recommendation, one ago, I think, is very sound.

2477
03:25:21,480 --> 03:25:23,220
I don't think it's stretching anything.

2478
03:25:24,880 --> 03:25:32,760
Take your additional revenues that you're going to get by this other $400,000 up for

2479
03:25:32,760 --> 03:25:36,860
the precincts, and I think you're going to be okay.

2480
03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:43,660
but it doesn't solve. Because next year you're going to be up again but that doesn't solve

2481
03:25:43,660 --> 03:25:50,580
the problem of road and bridge being behind and staying behind. But the commissioner road

2482
03:25:50,580 --> 03:25:56,120
bridge is being affected by there again. You've got to look at what's going on right now

2483
03:25:56,120 --> 03:26:02,260
not what's going on next year. Right now you've been affected by inflation dramatically and

2484
03:26:02,260 --> 03:26:09,020
the numbers, y'all were throwing out their gasoline in diesel was a dollar to dollar and

2485
03:26:09,020 --> 03:26:12,720
a half higher than what it is right now is coming down.

2486
03:26:12,740 --> 03:26:14,560
I don't see asphalt coming up back down.

2487
03:26:18,420 --> 03:26:22,380
That's the majority of what we're not going to come down.

2488
03:26:22,420 --> 03:26:27,380
Gas lane's got cheaper but diesel hasn't, but it doesn't, it doesn't have to come down.

2489
03:26:27,380 --> 03:26:30,520
I'm just using that as, as so.

2490
03:26:30,520 --> 03:26:33,480
But I'm saying where does he want to get farther and farther behind?

2491
03:26:34,820 --> 03:26:39,800
Well, and this is not an order none if you take the influx of this dollars

2492
03:26:39,800 --> 03:26:45,900
I just told you and give me almost well we can get we can come up to 800,000 dollars a

2493
03:26:45,900 --> 03:26:48,120
different 200 for each one of you

2494
03:26:48,120 --> 03:26:50,000
Kenny doesn't need that much

2495
03:26:56,570 --> 03:26:58,750
I'm begging on Kenny. Oh

2496
03:27:00,190 --> 03:27:07,930
Eventually, when we do get back to it, you need a little bump because you have more road

2497
03:27:07,930 --> 03:27:08,210
miles.

2498
03:27:08,390 --> 03:27:11,170
I've been practicing since we sat out here a little week ago.

2499
03:27:13,530 --> 03:27:14,550
I'm telling the truth.

2500
03:27:16,650 --> 03:27:18,250
It all sounds good.

2501
03:27:18,390 --> 03:27:19,530
We're going lower the taxes.

2502
03:27:20,250 --> 03:27:23,590
Man, if we were really lower in taxes, it made a difference.

2503
03:27:24,190 --> 03:27:25,590
It would be substantial.

2504
03:27:25,590 --> 03:27:30,710
but to say that this is going to make a huge difference in the day-to-day lives of our

2505
03:27:30,710 --> 03:27:31,130
public.

2506
03:27:31,570 --> 03:27:35,090
Our portion is nothing compared to school districts.

2507
03:27:35,810 --> 03:27:44,330
And what we're going to look at here is if that rosy painted picture is not good and accurate.

2508
03:27:46,430 --> 03:27:51,630
We've been up to 48 cents, we've started at 36 cents, we've bought that down, we're at 42

2509
03:27:51,630 --> 03:27:52,170
cents.

2510
03:27:54,460 --> 03:27:58,920
Everybody's talking about what if it's good, what if it's bad, but the thing about it

2511
03:27:58,920 --> 03:28:03,720
is, is we don't want to start lowering it, we don't need a goal of having so much that

2512
03:28:03,720 --> 03:28:08,160
we're coming in here and getting down to that 36-cent tax rate, because we are going

2513
03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:15,100
to have to provide services, and nothing is cheaper, nothing is cheaper, and it won't get cheaper.

2514
03:28:17,500 --> 03:28:23,340
I just don't want us to paint ourselves into a position of all our focuses here, and

2515
03:28:23,340 --> 03:28:26,360
I'm sorry, and it's not directed at anything,

2516
03:28:26,520 --> 03:28:29,540
but we can set up here and say we're lowering taxes all day long,

2517
03:28:29,540 --> 03:28:31,760
but until the state does something on the area and down

2518
03:28:31,760 --> 03:28:34,340
every regarding schools, what we're doing is,

2519
03:28:34,860 --> 03:28:36,080
I mean, you're not going to notice it.

2520
03:28:36,660 --> 03:28:40,060
On a half a billion dollar home, $100 a year,

2521
03:28:40,580 --> 03:28:41,960
you're not going to notice that.

2522
03:28:42,920 --> 03:28:49,020
I mean, so the idea of we're lowering taxes up here,

2523
03:28:49,180 --> 03:28:51,180
when we talk about dropping a penny or two pennies,

2524
03:28:51,180 --> 03:28:56,620
that we're helping the taxpayers, I'm sorry, I'm a taxpayer, it's not going to make one

2525
03:28:56,620 --> 03:29:03,120
out of me, it's not a difference in one tank of gasoline for a week. But we have to,

2526
03:29:04,320 --> 03:29:10,880
we have to protect that we can hire people that we can keep them retained, we have to protect

2527
03:29:10,880 --> 03:29:15,140
that we've got the vehicles for the services and everything that we do here.

2528
03:29:19,100 --> 03:29:19,560
Lowering

2529
03:29:19,560 --> 03:29:23,820
be the difference of us coming back to the taxpayers next year because when you raise taxes,

2530
03:29:25,540 --> 03:29:32,980
it's always noticed. Even if it's $20, you raise my taxes. We're not raising taxes

2531
03:29:32,980 --> 03:29:37,700
by remaining the same. We're building ourselves a safety net here that we don't have to do that

2532
03:29:37,700 --> 03:29:43,280
next year. And I'm just based on the numbers that Steve has given. The unknowns that we don't

2533
03:29:43,280 --> 03:29:47,160
know about, sure it'd be great to get half a million or seven hundred thousand dollars

2534
03:29:47,160 --> 03:29:52,640
on his collections on his RVs, but we may lose Adam Lauer on the vehicle sold in Burleson.

2535
03:29:53,460 --> 03:29:56,880
So it's anyway, Judge, I just feel like...

2536
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,620
2 cents or 1 cents, really made a difference, really made a difference. And what those numbers actually reflect over that. But it makes the difference on higher end to retain and keep people. We have to keep it. Rick, we've in the past. This county has lost employees over $40 a month. Pay difference. Come someplace else. You make, you know, we make good enough money.

2537
03:30:29,620 --> 03:30:37,940
we've got flexibility, but you lower income, don't have that flexibility. So yes, that

2538
03:30:37,940 --> 03:30:43,960
one percent may make a difference, will they, by their proper taxes, or would they do

2539
03:30:43,960 --> 03:30:45,020
without their medicines?

2540
03:30:47,720 --> 03:30:51,540
There's the big picture here, y'all, y'all, looking at it.

2541
03:30:54,020 --> 03:31:01,160
I'll say this and I'll direct towards what Mr. Buddy said, that it's not a big number

2542
03:31:01,160 --> 03:31:03,220
and it doesn't make a lot of difference in the tax bill.

2543
03:31:05,100 --> 03:31:12,420
So with that point, once again, what if we set the rate at 41 and a half cents but move

2544
03:31:12,420 --> 03:31:14,300
that nickel to

2545
03:31:16,350 --> 03:31:19,410
that MLO?

2546
03:31:19,830 --> 03:31:21,850
I will again get that nickel covered for you.

2547
03:31:21,850 --> 03:31:23,330
and half a cent.

2548
03:31:23,570 --> 03:31:25,470
Yeah, half a cent, quit saying nickel.

2549
03:31:25,950 --> 03:31:27,790
Half a cent, half a cent.

2550
03:31:27,810 --> 03:31:28,450
Quit saying nickel.

2551
03:31:28,750 --> 03:31:31,150
I corrected myself earlier when I did that.

2552
03:31:31,370 --> 03:31:32,570
Which is not a half a cent.

2553
03:31:32,590 --> 03:31:35,390
Well, it's a half a penny, not a nickel.

2554
03:31:36,010 --> 03:31:38,170
But if we move that half a cent too,

2555
03:31:38,470 --> 03:31:40,510
and not permanently, but certainly help,

2556
03:31:41,730 --> 03:31:43,010
I guess what I'm getting at is,

2557
03:31:43,130 --> 03:31:44,650
we're sort of accomplishing both things

2558
03:31:44,650 --> 03:31:47,870
because the half a cent compared to a cent

2559
03:31:47,870 --> 03:31:56,370
is going to be, have my new very little effect on the taxpayers, but that half a cent will

2560
03:31:56,370 --> 03:32:03,430
be able to balance FMLR. It'll give us, did I get pretty clear there like a half a cent

2561
03:32:03,430 --> 03:32:10,630
very little, give us a little bit of cushion. Home owners, but it gives FMLR just enough to be able

2562
03:32:10,630 --> 03:32:16,310
to continue to do work. Well, I already presented a thing. You know, I'm beginning to find out what

2563
03:32:16,310 --> 03:32:17,550
lame duck means.

2564
03:32:22,680 --> 03:32:26,960
I'm giving you the money in just in a different way. Well, you're thinking it's

2565
03:32:26,960 --> 03:32:33,060
there but we don't know. It's there. Oh gosh, it's there. Well, after December 31st, you won't be

2566
03:32:33,060 --> 03:32:38,440
here to have to worry about it. No, that's that's true and that's my none of my bless.

2567
03:32:40,720 --> 03:32:41,320
I think the

2568
03:32:41,320 --> 03:32:46,160
I don't know if you've got a bless that, now I can tell if he's not looking like he's

2569
03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:46,720
like in that.

2570
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:47,960
He's a little queasy over here.

2571
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:48,900
Well, yeah.

2572
03:32:49,840 --> 03:32:51,800
No disrespect to the Army.

2573
03:32:51,980 --> 03:32:54,600
The Army helps the county judge set the budget.

2574
03:32:55,760 --> 03:32:56,600
That's true.

2575
03:32:57,240 --> 03:33:01,420
I just taught two budgeting classes in the statutory responsibility.

2576
03:33:02,160 --> 03:33:08,560
Two of the statutory responsibilities are certify revenues and certify fund balance

2577
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:09,260
at the end of the year.

2578
03:33:09,260 --> 03:33:17,420
Yeah, so what I presented to you I'm going I'm going to just try my best to shut up

2579
03:33:17,420 --> 03:33:23,680
What I presented to you is sound policy it helps the tax payer

2580
03:33:25,200 --> 03:33:26,220
Out there

2581
03:33:29,460 --> 03:33:32,000
So I'll just leave it that and

2582
03:33:41,090 --> 03:33:42,270
there has been no

2583
03:33:42,270 --> 03:33:43,950
Sorry to be not talk

2584
03:33:45,350 --> 03:33:50,190
There has been no time since I've been canning judge that I've not

2585
03:33:51,650 --> 03:34:00,950
conservatively looked at this budget, not one time. And today is no different than

2586
03:34:00,950 --> 03:34:07,670
any pre-budgets. It's really more brighter to look at for the future than what

2587
03:34:07,670 --> 03:34:09,250
my past budgets have been.

2588
03:34:19,860 --> 03:34:23,140
Now what I would prefer to do before we talk about

2589
03:34:23,140 --> 03:34:28,200
going 41 and a half, I start over with all these departments and go through them

2590
03:34:28,200 --> 03:34:33,370
cut again. I'm going to cut before I'm going to increase.

2591
03:34:42,600 --> 03:34:47,460
But that's not, that's not, that's not going to help road and bridge.

2592
03:34:48,680 --> 03:34:50,020
Well, no, you're right, Commissioner.

2593
03:34:50,320 --> 03:34:51,880
We can go through there and cut and cut and cut and cut and cut.

2594
03:34:51,880 --> 03:35:01,140
No, well, in the, in the indirect way of we can, but like I said, it from what I'm looking

2595
03:35:01,140 --> 03:35:08,200
at with what we've got or had proposed, the 41 cent tax rate, we've

2596
03:35:08,200 --> 03:35:17,120
funded the entire budget, done everything we need to do with this excess of $3.32, $5.49.

2597
03:35:22,150 --> 03:35:31,590
So if there was any possible way to simply move a half a cent of that to road and bridge,

2598
03:35:36,660 --> 03:35:41,800
everything else is taken care of as what I'm getting at. It's just to road and bridge funds that are

2599
03:35:41,800 --> 03:35:43,120
and don't appear to be the original.

2600
03:35:44,240 --> 03:35:49,760
And I don't know Steve, the 3.32, 5.49, I have no idea what that breaks down to as far

2601
03:35:49,760 --> 03:35:52,340
as a decimal number.

2602
03:35:54,640 --> 03:35:56,060
I mean, it'd be tiny, but

2603
03:35:59,290 --> 03:36:00,990
that could be moving the road and bridge.

2604
03:36:03,800 --> 03:36:07,260
I went over to ask Steve a question then, go guys, just based on the numbers.

2605
03:36:08,920 --> 03:36:17,240
Just to kind of give you a picture, we're $9.5 million more to fund this budget than what

2606
03:36:17,240 --> 03:36:18,920
we funded in last year's budget,

2607
03:36:21,830 --> 03:36:26,670
$90.5 million. So $1,000 equals a million, $700,000.

2608
03:36:30,080 --> 03:36:30,800
I'm just saying

2609
03:36:31,740 --> 03:36:38,440
that's where we're at, passing this budget. You talking about lowering taxes? We're going to be

2610
03:36:38,440 --> 03:36:44,520
backing in next year raising taxes to break even. $90.5 million here, Steve. That accurate.

2611
03:36:44,520 --> 03:36:46,320
As far as I know,

2612
03:36:48,700 --> 03:36:57,260
to answer your question, Commissioner Howell, to make that 332-549-B0, it's

2613
03:36:58,030 --> 03:37:02,380
the difference is .001970.

2614
03:37:07,240 --> 03:37:17,080
I know it would be small, but it's not intended to move that .001792 FMLR to start.

2615
03:37:21,080 --> 03:37:21,980
I think we could.

2616
03:37:21,980 --> 03:37:34,820
I think we have a balance, but I think we could find a little bit of revenue, including the sales tax commissions to the tax office.

2617
03:37:35,080 --> 03:37:39,140
I don't know that we could find a half cent worth,

2618
03:37:42,880 --> 03:37:50,320
we could find, I don't like to, that one especially makes me uneasy.

2619
03:37:50,320 --> 03:37:55,220
And most of these fee offices, I mean, together they add up to quite a bit,

2620
03:37:55,280 --> 03:38:00,760
but any of them individually are pretty negligible.

2621
03:38:01,180 --> 03:38:05,720
I mean, you're talking about district clerk fees or quarter of a million dollars a year.

2622
03:38:13,380 --> 03:38:16,080
Sheriff fees or $100,000 a year.

2623
03:38:16,260 --> 03:38:25,390
I mean, there's none of these things are really material when you're talking about a $90 million budget.

2624
03:38:25,390 --> 03:38:26,170
it. Right.

2625
03:38:37,120 --> 03:38:39,240
No, I would just like said, that was,

2626
03:38:42,120 --> 03:38:43,860
you know, if you could, if we could

2627
03:38:43,860 --> 03:38:48,700
leave the tax rate right where it is, but if there was enough to simply designate just

2628
03:38:48,700 --> 03:38:55,520
a smaller portion of that to road area and to it. It would be, it would be at a very

2629
03:38:55,520 --> 03:39:00,980
minimum. It would be helpful because y'all, it is, and this has nothing to do with

2630
03:39:00,980 --> 03:39:09,000
inflation. It has, because we're talking about going back to 2018 when you had a

2631
03:39:09,000 --> 03:39:12,160
$7.1 million collective fund balance.

2632
03:39:12,520 --> 03:39:18,060
That's 18, that's not just what's happened in the last 12 months.

2633
03:39:20,530 --> 03:39:23,190
And it's half that now, yes.

2634
03:39:23,690 --> 03:39:24,550
So it's been coming.

2635
03:39:24,870 --> 03:39:28,010
It's been, yeah, I mean, it's slowly coming.

2636
03:39:29,090 --> 03:39:33,650
We may have to slowly bring it back, FMLR.

2637
03:39:34,170 --> 03:39:40,190
Every year, just try to get a small portion back in FMLR.

2638
03:39:41,430 --> 03:39:46,810
Yeah, something's better than nothing exactly. I just want to get in that you've got to start somewhere and

2639
03:39:47,910 --> 03:39:48,910
then you know

2640
03:39:49,730 --> 03:39:53,910
Also a lot of that of those expenditure, especially that out of ARPA funds

2641
03:39:56,400 --> 03:40:01,440
And this is just I'll take a note from the judge. I'm just one person on the court

2642
03:40:02,100 --> 03:40:04,060
A lot of that was one-time expenditure

2643
03:40:06,360 --> 03:40:09,600
Even as far as a lot of the cars and I've said this earlier

2644
03:40:09,600 --> 03:40:15,820
Yes, we will have requests for cars next year. I mean, there's no doubt, but certainly after buying

2645
03:40:17,540 --> 03:40:19,900
10 brand new chargers and

2646
03:40:21,540 --> 03:40:26,880
They've and we've still got seven Tahu's left to be delivered to the sheriff's department

2647
03:40:28,300 --> 03:40:34,600
And then the other cars we bought for different departments those are cars that we bought should last

2648
03:40:36,100 --> 03:40:39,380
Those those should last for four or five years

2649
03:40:40,100 --> 03:40:43,900
You know, it should be several years before we have to replace, you know, the van for public

2650
03:40:43,900 --> 03:40:48,160
works or, you know, a truck for the medical examiner.

2651
03:40:50,830 --> 03:40:55,510
So you know, something I would put out there is a year from now when we're in here, our

2652
03:40:55,510 --> 03:40:59,610
request for vehicles should be, should be minimal.

2653
03:41:00,750 --> 03:41:05,410
Because unless a lot of them get wrecked or tore up or something, those vehicles will still

2654
03:41:05,410 --> 03:41:11,070
We'll be, that's the most cars we've ever purchased, and we had to, because we can't

2655
03:41:11,070 --> 03:41:15,210
get the thawes, I understand, but that's the most cars we've ever bought to Sheriff's

2656
03:41:15,210 --> 03:41:20,670
Department, even though the thawes come out of last year's budget, had none to do with

2657
03:41:20,670 --> 03:41:25,010
this year's budget, and then we've bought the others from the ARPA funds, but still, that's

2658
03:41:25,010 --> 03:41:31,490
a lot of automobiles when I first came on the court, we had to cut those cars back to 8.

2659
03:41:31,490 --> 03:41:38,850
We've been buying 10 and we had to cut them back to eight for a year or two or six or six because we just couldn't afford

2660
03:41:39,470 --> 03:41:47,670
them. And now we've bought our essence. We're we've bought 10 and waiting on the other seven. That's 17. That they will receive

2661
03:41:48,590 --> 03:41:57,950
hopefully in this this year, this time. I think the charges are available right now. Now the tow's I'm not sure that still missing ships probably

2662
03:41:58,950 --> 03:42:07,550
But that plus another is is these new new Howard hires and new positions we've put.

2663
03:42:08,510 --> 03:42:13,570
I would hope that these positions are going to last us for a little bit.

2664
03:42:14,030 --> 03:42:18,490
We can't we can't put on 20 new employees this year and then come back and ask for 20 more

2665
03:42:18,490 --> 03:42:19,190
next year.

2666
03:42:19,810 --> 03:42:25,070
I think there's going to be some breaks put on new hires and I know everybody always is

2667
03:42:25,070 --> 03:42:30,110
need help, but that's a lot to do in one budget. And I just don't think that's going to

2668
03:42:30,110 --> 03:42:37,930
be there either. I just think we're taking care of a whole lot of areas in this budget

2669
03:42:37,930 --> 03:42:44,270
that we won't have to next year, especially those ARPA funds that are generally a one

2670
03:42:44,270 --> 03:42:50,750
time with the exception of. And I'll repeat it again. Yes, we will have to buy a few cars.

2671
03:42:50,750 --> 03:42:56,510
But for me, setting right here, it'll be a few, because we shouldn't need them.

2672
03:42:56,810 --> 03:42:56,990
All

2673
03:43:01,600 --> 03:43:03,840
the precincts, but if

2674
03:43:06,400 --> 03:43:08,320
we zeroed that out and

2675
03:43:10,820 --> 03:43:23,600
made the total tax rate 41 and put that difference into the FMLR that would give precinct one an additional 83,000 and change.

2676
03:43:23,600 --> 03:43:23,780
change.

2677
03:43:29,200 --> 03:43:32,240
We don't need it split his up with the other three.

2678
03:43:32,340 --> 03:43:35,620
The nearest commissioner. Why? Yes, split his up with the other three.

2679
03:43:36,280 --> 03:43:39,440
We actually work in precinct once. So yes, I'm spending some money.

2680
03:43:44,320 --> 03:43:46,220
Something else. I haven't been the same as he is.

2681
03:43:46,420 --> 03:43:54,930
Not to muddy up the water here, gentlemen, but in addition to some one-time purchases, we've

2682
03:43:54,930 --> 03:43:57,010
We've also got a additional

2683
03:44:00,210 --> 03:44:01,690
juvenile teaching service,

2684
03:44:03,110 --> 03:44:05,530
the teacher position,

2685
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:09,280
two full-time teachers,

2686
03:44:12,210 --> 03:44:14,330
attorneys for county attorney and district attorney,

2687
03:44:14,510 --> 03:44:20,970
district clerk, got a million five SRO personnel

2688
03:44:22,540 --> 03:44:26,560
in the operating for juvenile services

2689
03:44:28,140 --> 03:44:30,580
that are not going to be one that we're paid for

2690
03:44:31,480 --> 03:44:39,460
in the initial year with ARPA funds that have been carved out of the budget, carved into

2691
03:44:39,460 --> 03:44:41,580
the budget in the following year.

2692
03:44:46,750 --> 03:44:53,650
Kenny, I agree with the amount of vehicles that we've purchased, we should be in the

2693
03:44:54,410 --> 03:44:58,910
best shape we've ever been because we're getting basically two years worth of vehicles in one

2694
03:45:01,680 --> 03:45:10,220
So, but these personnel, that's a different story. It's going to come around every year.

2695
03:45:33,120 --> 03:45:48,100
Juvenile teachers, $172,846, attorneys, a million five SRO. That was all lumped in together,

2696
03:45:48,100 --> 03:45:54,020
It's showing $280,000 that's operating.

2697
03:45:54,720 --> 03:45:56,960
That sounds like too much money.

2698
03:46:04,510 --> 03:46:10,170
In Commissioner Woolley, like the attorney that was paid for in my office with

2699
03:46:10,170 --> 03:46:14,630
ARPA, I was about six months getting that attorney, so it won't be a full expenditure

2700
03:46:14,630 --> 03:46:15,290
this year.

2701
03:46:15,950 --> 03:46:20,510
And I think the one, one of the ones that Dale got, I don't think he's filled it yet.

2702
03:46:20,670 --> 03:46:24,950
In fact, I think that's one of the positions that's on executive session today, so

2703
03:46:24,950 --> 03:46:26,430
it's not been filled yet either.

2704
03:46:26,430 --> 03:46:33,370
So there is some savings, I'm not saying they're not going to be continuing, but there has been some savings because those positions haven't been filled.

2705
03:46:33,830 --> 03:46:46,270
So at the end of the year, we'll go back to those positions that were budgeted out of ARPA funds this year and look at what was actually spent and reduce the incumbrance.

2706
03:46:46,270 --> 03:46:47,430
So

2707
03:46:50,240 --> 03:47:01,980
Commissioner Howell doing that would get you the 77-078-58, and Commissioner Woolie, you get 90-4835.

2708
03:47:03,360 --> 03:47:08,480
That goes along with the three vacancies I've had that I've saved three salaries off.

2709
03:47:09,280 --> 03:47:10,660
Oh, you're in the pink fine pink.

2710
03:47:29,040 --> 03:47:31,840
No, I actually stole one of the data.

2711
03:47:34,780 --> 03:47:41,240
Judge, there was an accident item that needed to be happened on the new business regarding

2712
03:47:41,240 --> 03:47:46,060
the United Co-O with that sheet money as well.

2713
03:47:47,960 --> 03:47:51,440
The commission, did you say that revenue was dependent on sheet money?

2714
03:47:52,920 --> 03:47:53,780
That is sheet money.

2715
03:47:54,120 --> 03:47:56,180
The plaintiff then it was talking about this morning.

2716
03:47:57,060 --> 03:47:59,560
That may be somewhat avenue there.

2717
03:48:03,260 --> 03:48:08,720
I'm sure they could use it and would use it for the broadband, but here's my thoughts, sir.

2718
03:48:10,340 --> 03:48:13,720
That is cheap money helps all taxpayers.

2719
03:48:15,810 --> 03:48:21,800
If we give it to them, it helps a limited amount, just their customers primarily.

2720
03:48:22,340 --> 03:48:26,060
And maybe some of you that might get on Wi-Fi.

2721
03:48:26,920 --> 03:48:30,800
And that's, that gets back to originally when, during the

2722
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:34,920
art of funds and, you know, and I kind of made a statement and I said,

2723
03:48:34,920 --> 03:48:37,060
I hope I don't make anybody open to co-op, man.

2724
03:48:37,220 --> 03:48:38,800
But that's a for-profit company.

2725
03:48:39,080 --> 03:48:39,240
Yeah.

2726
03:48:39,780 --> 03:48:42,060
They, they charge for that in and that.

2727
03:48:42,580 --> 03:48:43,240
So did they.

2728
03:48:43,240 --> 03:48:43,820
Yes, they do.

2729
03:48:44,760 --> 03:48:46,620
It's a, that's a for-profit company.

2730
03:48:47,000 --> 03:48:53,800
And I, since Judd said what he did, I would certainly think we could put that money to use Countywide.

2731
03:48:53,800 --> 03:49:01,600
I would just say that in the business world people try to get internet, but I'll just tell you their cost have gone up significantly.

2732
03:49:01,960 --> 03:49:03,420
Their supply chain has been interrupted.

2733
03:49:03,700 --> 03:49:09,080
So however big they are, whether it be their affected.

2734
03:49:09,280 --> 03:49:15,540
So I can certainly see of them coming and asking for it because I'm sure that their budgets have been interrupted as well.

2735
03:49:15,700 --> 03:49:16,600
Their cost has gone up.

2736
03:49:16,840 --> 03:49:20,240
Their profit's gone up, but their cost has gone up equally.

2737
03:49:20,240 --> 03:49:26,020
So, I can understand the ask, but my point is, I

2738
03:49:28,160 --> 03:49:30,880
mean, it wouldn't really behooves us

2739
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:38,080
to give up money based on what we're facing right now.

2740
03:49:38,700 --> 03:49:42,800
If it wasn't such a, this is not a lean year, it's easier when there's no money.

2741
03:49:44,200 --> 03:49:53,280
It's easier when there's no money, but there's still that amount of dollars to certainly

2742
03:49:53,280 --> 03:49:54,460
And I go a long ways towards,

2743
03:49:56,780 --> 03:49:58,740
I'll go ahead and say it, the whole thing.

2744
03:49:59,660 --> 03:50:05,860
As you're talking about three years there, $270, $280, $260,000, you got $6,000, $200,000.

2745
03:50:06,240 --> 03:50:11,160
If I could, if I could add something about the unclean capital credits, and

2746
03:50:11,160 --> 03:50:15,980
you know, I've only been here 14 months, but I am familiar with that.

2747
03:50:16,200 --> 03:50:24,220
And I was not aware and not aware, was not aware until today that just goes into the general

2748
03:50:24,220 --> 03:50:36,220
fund, but the local government code 381-004 limits what those funds can be expended for.

2749
03:50:36,560 --> 03:50:42,220
You have to have a program specific for the use of those dollars.

2750
03:50:42,780 --> 03:50:46,540
And what he was saying earlier does fit into that.

2751
03:50:46,940 --> 03:50:51,600
When I was in Palo Penteau, we gave it to the CAC and CASA.

2752
03:50:51,600 --> 03:50:55,880
That's one of the specified expenditures as well.

2753
03:50:56,320 --> 03:50:59,480
So we can't actually use it to remove an engine,

2754
03:50:59,620 --> 03:51:00,420
an health care too.

2755
03:51:01,360 --> 03:51:03,720
That's the direct effects on budget.

2756
03:51:06,150 --> 03:51:15,990
Steve, in regards to how it would impact us based on what their ask of it was for,

2757
03:51:15,990 --> 03:51:22,010
it was for the connectivity, but you're saying that I can re-act.

2758
03:51:22,010 --> 03:51:26,290
How exactly what that money can be used for in regards to, if we use it in general fund,

2759
03:51:26,490 --> 03:51:28,470
can it actually be used to help balance the budget?

2760
03:51:28,710 --> 03:51:28,890
No.

2761
03:51:30,050 --> 03:51:35,650
It can be used for state or local economic development, small or disadvantaged business

2762
03:51:36,230 --> 03:51:42,610
development, stimulate and encourage business location and commercial activity to

2763
03:51:42,610 --> 03:51:47,970
promote or advertise the county and its vicinity or conduct a solicitation program

2764
03:51:47,970 --> 03:52:10,830
to attract conventions, visitors, and businesses to improve the extent to which women and minority businesses are awarded county contracts to support comprehensive literacy programs that benefit county residents for the encouragement promotion improvement and application of the arts and to support a children's advocacy center.

2765
03:52:12,750 --> 03:52:18,090
We used economic developments, it could not be another good place, you can put it.

2766
03:52:18,430 --> 03:52:21,730
We fund that right now, 140,000 year.

2767
03:52:24,130 --> 03:52:25,390
We can add

2768
03:52:27,470 --> 03:52:35,110
that money to that, take the other portion of the way, still fund 140, and

2769
03:52:35,110 --> 03:52:35,770
use that money.

2770
03:52:39,940 --> 03:52:46,160
We really have, this budget is large enough, there's lots of flexibilities in different directions

2771
03:52:46,160 --> 03:52:53,240
that we can take, but I'm just, I'm going to take a sign of workshop, because I'm not

2772
03:52:53,240 --> 03:52:56,740
going to talk anymore about it, but it's

2773
03:52:58,950 --> 03:53:01,890
everybody okay coming out of workshop.

2774
03:53:04,660 --> 03:53:05,320
Where are we headed?

2775
03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:07,220
Yeah, what did we make a decision?

2776
03:53:08,340 --> 03:53:09,080
Call Mary.

2777
03:53:09,480 --> 03:53:12,100
Tell her we talked about our executive session, Adam.

2778
03:53:19,750 --> 03:53:22,190
And then we can go back up here to a new business,

2779
03:53:28,780 --> 03:53:33,780
because I'm ready to, I don't care what

2780
03:53:33,780 --> 03:53:36,420
but it didn't seem to be doing any good.

2781
03:53:37,480 --> 03:53:39,880
Consideration agreement between none, not that one.

2782
03:53:40,840 --> 03:53:43,420
First item one, under new business,

2783
03:53:44,220 --> 03:53:47,200
first action, of course, Scots already presented

2784
03:53:47,200 --> 03:53:50,400
that portion to us.

2785
03:53:51,640 --> 03:53:56,280
So item two is consideration of record vote

2786
03:53:56,870 --> 03:54:00,200
of the proposed, not the tax rate,

2787
03:54:00,200 --> 03:54:05,040
but they propose tax rate for 2022 tax share.

2788
03:54:05,120 --> 03:54:07,620
Judge, should we look at item six before we do that?

2789
03:54:08,120 --> 03:54:12,300
In regards to whether we are or not going to do that money

2790
03:54:12,300 --> 03:54:12,980
or the sheet money?

2791
03:54:13,540 --> 03:54:14,860
We are already passed on that.

2792
03:54:16,480 --> 03:54:18,920
We're going to come, we either need to.

2793
03:54:20,520 --> 03:54:21,920
Well, I'll say we'll keep it.

2794
03:54:22,600 --> 03:54:26,140
We'll keep it, we can help all of our taxpayers

2795
03:54:26,140 --> 03:54:28,200
instead of just pushing.

2796
03:54:28,200 --> 03:54:32,360
It's got to be your mark for some specific avenues.

2797
03:54:33,060 --> 03:54:36,080
No, I think it's easy to do, and it's in health care.

2798
03:54:36,740 --> 03:54:37,520
It's not listed.

2799
03:54:38,180 --> 03:54:38,600
Not listed?

2800
03:54:38,720 --> 03:54:42,460
I think we bill and I probably need to rub our heads together and

2801
03:54:42,460 --> 03:54:44,860
we'll get with you and see what we need.

2802
03:54:44,880 --> 03:54:45,740
Economic development.

2803
03:54:46,520 --> 03:54:46,840
That is.

2804
03:54:47,860 --> 03:54:51,020
And I think that's what Landy was the guy's under which he

2805
03:54:51,020 --> 03:54:52,040
was requesting the money.

2806
03:54:53,360 --> 03:54:55,900
Yeah, but you cannot vote, that we find.

2807
03:54:55,900 --> 03:54:56,700
I

2808
03:54:58,740 --> 03:55:03,920
don't want to be about half of it, what we budget for anything.

2809
03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:04,380
Oh, no.

2810
03:55:04,720 --> 03:55:09,080
And I'm just saying that you can move money around there and take care of that.

2811
03:55:17,390 --> 03:55:17,710
Okay.

2812
03:55:18,050 --> 03:55:19,390
Let's go back to item two.

2813
03:55:19,950 --> 03:55:25,790
And that's consideration and record vote for the proposed tax rate for 2022 tax year.

2814
03:55:26,450 --> 03:55:27,470
I'd entertain a motion.

2815
03:55:45,270 --> 03:55:48,650
Well, I'm going to jump right in here and do something that's probably unheard of

2816
03:55:48,650 --> 03:55:51,510
have never been done in Commissioner's Court before in their lifetime.

2817
03:55:53,570 --> 03:55:55,430
And will you see where it goes?

2818
03:55:56,370 --> 03:55:58,010
But I'd like to make a motion we make.

2819
03:55:58,150 --> 03:56:03,590
We set the tax rate at 40, one and a half cents and then move and have that half a cent

2820
03:56:03,590 --> 03:56:04,510
go road and bridge.

2821
03:56:04,910 --> 03:56:05,350
I'm

2822
03:56:13,570 --> 03:56:14,270
scurrying the

2823
03:56:18,530 --> 03:56:20,550
raises and all the above.

2824
03:56:46,720 --> 03:56:49,880
I have a motion to set the tax rate at 41.5.

2825
03:56:58,540 --> 03:57:00,520
Anybody else cared to take a shot at you?

2826
03:57:03,880 --> 03:57:04,320
I'm

2827
03:57:08,920 --> 03:57:13,620
trying to look at what this personnel, you know, we talked about these vehicles.

2828
03:57:15,200 --> 03:57:17,660
The ARPA impact is what I'm concerned about.

2829
03:57:17,800 --> 03:57:19,100
You don't have a second yet, right?

2830
03:57:19,440 --> 03:57:19,560
No.

2831
03:57:20,820 --> 03:57:23,880
So, Judges, are you going to make a comment?

2832
03:57:24,820 --> 03:57:27,540
Well, we need, we're going to motion on the floor.

2833
03:57:27,800 --> 03:57:29,300
You don't have a motion without a second.

2834
03:57:29,640 --> 03:57:30,100
You've got them.

2835
03:57:30,100 --> 03:57:35,510
And I thought in Robert Rooz of order, you have a motion.

2836
03:57:36,110 --> 03:57:40,130
You don't discuss it until you get a second, then it goes open for discussion.

2837
03:57:40,230 --> 03:57:45,070
My discussion in the motion, my discussion is related to funding.

2838
03:57:45,390 --> 03:57:46,410
You want to give me a new motion?

2839
03:57:52,120 --> 03:57:57,380
Judge, I think his motion dies for lack of a second and you get into the discussion about

2840
03:57:57,900 --> 03:57:58,540
other items.

2841
03:57:58,920 --> 03:57:59,140
Okay.

2842
03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:00,300
Right, Commissioner Woolie?

2843
03:58:00,980 --> 03:58:03,500
Well, I didn't know that it had died, but it

2844
03:58:07,500 --> 03:58:08,420
can die, yes.

2845
03:58:08,420 --> 03:58:09,740
Yeah, yeah, I know it can,

2846
03:58:13,000 --> 03:58:16,360
but it wouldn't presented that way as being dead.

2847
03:58:21,410 --> 03:58:25,890
I'll call it one more time then if I don't get a response then and we'll consider dead.

2848
03:58:26,550 --> 03:58:28,070
Okay, do I have a second that motion?

2849
03:58:30,780 --> 03:58:33,500
And kind of that motion is dead, so we'll back open.

2850
03:58:34,020 --> 03:58:34,920
Sorry, Commissioner.

2851
03:58:38,530 --> 03:58:39,570
That motion is dead.

2852
03:58:39,790 --> 03:58:40,410
I had to try, Judge.

2853
03:58:40,690 --> 03:58:41,070
Well, sure.

2854
03:58:42,270 --> 03:58:48,000
Hey, you guys, there's no hard feelings up here about anything.

2855
03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:54,400
It's just, we all have certain views and I admire everybody standing on their own views.

2856
03:59:04,520 --> 03:59:11,260
Okay, now we'll open for, since there's no motion on the floor, we'll open for discussion.

2857
03:59:12,080 --> 03:59:12,720
Go ahead, Commissioner.

2858
03:59:15,460 --> 03:59:15,860
Oh, okay.

2859
03:59:17,080 --> 03:59:19,600
Still working on his big chief notebook down there.

2860
03:59:42,770 --> 03:59:49,910
So those figures that I was referring to a while ago related to these personnel that we

2861
03:59:49,910 --> 03:59:56,210
funded on a one-year program for out of ARPA funds, almost $2 million.

2862
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,040
That is equipment for the SRO assigned to the JJAEP.

2863
04:00:11,640 --> 04:00:14,960
I'm not sure what that breakout is. It's got it lumped all together.

2864
04:00:17,530 --> 04:00:35,990
Given Commissioner House comments about the vehicles that we may not have a significant impact, as far as vehicle cost goes next budget year. But we're going to have to pay this out of our pocket next year, not out of our pocket.

2865
04:00:35,990 --> 04:00:39,650
So, there's $2 million vehicles,

2866
04:00:46,530 --> 04:00:49,870
$661,000,

2867
04:00:52,050 --> 04:00:56,970
might as well say $662,000 for the sheriff's office,

2868
04:00:59,740 --> 04:01:03,800
$59,000 for a constable's vehicle,

2869
04:01:10,300 --> 04:01:13,460
another $66,000 for another constable vehicle.

2870
04:01:13,460 --> 04:01:13,920
So,

2871
04:01:16,180 --> 04:01:22,340
120, you're about 800,000 there on vehicles that hopefully,

2872
04:01:24,960 --> 04:01:26,320
you know, like you said,

2873
04:01:26,540 --> 04:01:32,400
we're going to have to replace some of those, but let's say that we buy with half that

2874
04:01:32,400 --> 04:01:38,500
amount next year or less, you're still looking at $2,000, $2,000,000 that we're going to have

2875
04:01:40,240 --> 04:01:42,620
in plain terms, pay out our pocket,

2876
04:01:45,430 --> 04:01:46,770
which is about

2877
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:50,880
a penny on the tax rate.

2878
04:01:54,850 --> 04:01:58,230
We're hoping to sell fun, our insurance next year, looking forward to.

2879
04:01:58,410 --> 04:02:03,790
We took on our jail with the unknowns, and that's going to be another one that's going to come with some growing pains.

2880
04:02:04,810 --> 04:02:06,510
Yeah, we've already seen some growing pains there.

2881
04:02:14,790 --> 04:02:20,250
You know, Judge, I thought early on, I really thought we might be able to reduce this budget by three cents,

2882
04:02:20,250 --> 04:02:24,580
But that ship sailed, they won, yeah.

2883
04:02:24,700 --> 04:02:30,490
I thought we were going to be able to try to be a team, but there's still room to cut.

2884
04:02:37,000 --> 04:02:39,580
It just depends on whether you all willing to do that or not.

2885
04:02:58,330 --> 04:03:03,930
You know, I made that motion because I'm hoping that I haven't really heard any other guys

2886
04:03:03,930 --> 04:03:09,990
say what we've talked about it and talked about it, but nobody's ever really said what

2887
04:03:09,990 --> 04:03:11,530
you want to send the text right now.

2888
04:03:11,530 --> 04:03:17,910
You know, with so many new hires and the colors that we're trying to give and the added

2889
04:03:17,910 --> 04:03:23,230
expenses that we know we're going to incur, I would rather leave a flat tax rate this

2890
04:03:23,230 --> 04:03:29,190
year and go into next year with the hopes that what we've talked about up here comes true.

2891
04:03:29,950 --> 04:03:35,270
It would be great to go to the taxpayers next year and lower five cents like we have done

2892
04:03:35,270 --> 04:03:49,940
in the past then to do all of these new positions, all of this money and just to go in at a flat

2893
04:03:49,940 --> 04:03:56,280
right next year because this court will proactively if the money is there and we're not hiring 24-20

2894
04:03:56,280 --> 04:04:00,840
people. We're not, you know, who knows what the inflation will do, hopefully it's going to taper,

2895
04:04:00,960 --> 04:04:06,800
hopefully we don't have a crystal ball. But I would rather go in and look at the tax payers in the

2896
04:04:06,800 --> 04:04:12,580
this year and say you understand inflation, you understand that our county has grown.

2897
04:04:12,800 --> 04:04:16,660
We have to hire more people, we have to give our people more money to retain them.

2898
04:04:18,240 --> 04:04:23,700
And then next year, look at this, and if the money is there and we're not hiring an

2899
04:04:23,700 --> 04:04:28,660
additional 20 people and we're not buying an additional 10 cars, we make a significant

2900
04:04:28,660 --> 04:04:33,640
impact next year of dropping more than two, maybe three, maybe four, maybe five senses.

2901
04:04:33,640 --> 04:04:41,420
as we've done in the past, it's a plan and it's a good one, guys, because we don't know.

2902
04:04:42,720 --> 04:04:47,500
And we've got a nine and a half million dollar increase in this budget compared to last

2903
04:04:47,500 --> 04:04:48,180
year's budget.

2904
04:04:49,500 --> 04:04:51,200
We're already in the red next year.

2905
04:04:54,390 --> 04:04:55,710
Let's see if that money comes true.

2906
04:04:56,150 --> 04:04:58,350
Let's hope that money from those RVs comes true.

2907
04:04:58,870 --> 04:04:59,690
Let's lower the tax.

2908
04:04:59,990 --> 04:05:03,290
You know, you make a significant difference on a half million dollar property.

2909
04:05:03,290 --> 04:05:10,950
maybe if it's $200 a year and they feel they're going to have a 10% cap going forward to the

2910
04:05:10,950 --> 04:05:16,150
cash up to whatever the value is on the homestead. So it's a given whatever we give them they're

2911
04:05:16,150 --> 04:05:24,880
going to lose anyway to the state. But we we can make some sort of a difference then let's keep

2912
04:05:24,880 --> 04:05:31,560
that let's kick that down the road the next year and do all we can for our taxpayers we're doing all

2913
04:05:31,560 --> 04:05:38,200
we can for our employees and to serve the people we serve now and I'm done. I'm gonna stop.

2914
04:05:39,400 --> 04:05:45,920
I'll make a proposal that we give the raises as presented. We'll leave the tax rate as presented

2915
04:05:47,860 --> 04:05:52,100
and that amount of these people. Is that a motion? That's motion, Judge. Okay.

2916
04:05:53,220 --> 04:05:58,360
I have a motion on the floor to adopt a 42 cent tax rate.

2917
04:06:00,600 --> 04:06:01,100
I thought we...

2918
04:06:03,720 --> 04:06:07,120
I'm not flooring the tax rate this year. We can look at that next year.

2919
04:06:07,300 --> 04:06:08,440
That's what I'm saying.

2920
04:06:08,920 --> 04:06:09,560
That's what I'm saying.

2921
04:06:10,940 --> 04:06:11,740
I have a second.

2922
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:15,860
And that one may die too, but that's where I'm at.

2923
04:06:27,640 --> 04:06:30,080
I'll ask one more time then it'll die after.

2924
04:06:30,540 --> 04:06:31,820
I have a second for that motion.

2925
04:06:34,830 --> 04:06:37,250
Being no second for that motion is dead.

2926
04:06:38,650 --> 04:06:39,890
You're not saying any motion.

2927
04:06:40,310 --> 04:06:40,510
What

2928
04:07:00,960 --> 04:07:01,800
was your motion, Kenny?

2929
04:07:06,980 --> 04:07:10,280
40-1 and a half, that's going to be the end of the law.

2930
04:07:10,680 --> 04:07:12,500
Set the tax rate to 41 and a half.

2931
04:07:12,980 --> 04:07:13,500
You

2932
04:07:16,500 --> 04:07:23,180
know, this person, El Dio, Barb sent me this, I asked her, like, Friday to send

2933
04:07:23,180 --> 04:07:34,560
me this updated spreadsheet from ARPA and I had my spreadsheet wasn't updated.

2934
04:07:34,560 --> 04:07:40,960
like Hershey is and this personnel is a glaring, it's a glaring

2935
04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:47,790
predicament we're going to be with is permanent. Those are not one-time hires or

2936
04:07:47,790 --> 04:07:53,610
one-time permanent. No, the permanent. Pardon? The permanent hires. They're not one-time

2937
04:07:53,610 --> 04:07:59,750
hires. To what I said, they're not one-time purchases. They're perpetual. So we're

2938
04:07:59,750 --> 04:08:01,370
going to be faced with that.

2939
04:08:05,810 --> 04:08:08,990
Thursday when we got done, I was at the 41

2940
04:08:08,990 --> 04:08:12,010
one cent, but can you feel off of that motion again? I'll second it.

2941
04:08:14,960 --> 04:08:15,520
Now that I've looked

2942
04:08:15,520 --> 04:08:20,600
at all this. Well, but his, his motion is not good. So you want me to restate my

2943
04:08:20,600 --> 04:08:29,660
regional motion. He wants put in a half a cent on that. With his motion or we go in the

2944
04:08:29,660 --> 04:08:35,360
we can do what he ought to with. His motion was 41 and a half. But my but that half a

2945
04:08:35,360 --> 04:08:44,380
sent was going to FML or yeah no that's that half sent is in that. It was from

2946
04:08:44,380 --> 04:08:52,120
41 to 41 and a half. It wouldn't 42. Right. I mean we can get some consensus

2947
04:08:55,720 --> 04:08:59,720
because there's no sense to me making a motion it's not going to get a second. He

2948
04:08:59,720 --> 04:09:04,700
just said it. He just sent us to the 41 and a half cents then I will just make a

2949
04:09:04,700 --> 04:09:14,660
the motion was to include that have a half a cent of that to be added to the FMLR rate.

2950
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:19,100
Yeah, but coming from a 41 cent tax rate.

2951
04:09:19,220 --> 04:09:31,320
But we can back that out if we get some consensus that the 41.5 cent tax rate will work for the general fund for the entire budget.

2952
04:09:31,320 --> 04:09:40,120
Then maybe between what we've got here and what Steve's looking at, maybe we can find a way to bump the FMLR up a little bit.

2953
04:09:42,120 --> 04:09:46,680
That lead. So basically we're talking about General Fund still at 41 cents.

2954
04:09:47,360 --> 04:09:47,840
Yes.

2955
04:09:49,580 --> 04:09:53,540
We've got to have a balanced budget. What are you going to do with that 3,000, 3,000?

2956
04:09:53,720 --> 04:09:57,180
You've got to sit and above a balanced budget.

2957
04:09:58,400 --> 04:10:02,160
It's been tours versus revenue in

2958
04:10:10,580 --> 04:10:15,180
the HRA fund, put it in fuel contingency,

2959
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:19,520
changed the

2960
04:10:19,520 --> 04:10:22,240
rate to put it in FMLR.

2961
04:10:27,820 --> 04:10:29,660
I mean,

2962
04:10:46,850 --> 04:10:50,450
I'm waiting on the side of the line where

2963
04:10:52,920 --> 04:10:53,860
we can hear.

2964
04:10:56,100 --> 04:10:59,760
We may not need to hold half a cent for FMLR.

2965
04:10:59,760 --> 04:11:06,100
Yeah, we know we could take just a tiny quarter. Yeah, I want to hear what I'm saying.

2966
04:11:07,240 --> 04:11:14,480
I'm about adding. Well, let me. Yup, picked a bad time to go. Let me let me read. Let me read. Let me read.

2967
04:11:15,240 --> 04:11:22,900
Discuss it. Newt rediscusing. We may not need the entire half a cent to go to FMLR if we're

2968
04:11:22,900 --> 04:11:31,580
to use this 332-549 so we can set the tax rate of 41.5 cents and then whatever tiny portion

2969
04:11:31,580 --> 04:11:40,900
or fraction we needed pull out of that with the 332-549 and help whatever it takes even

2970
04:11:40,900 --> 04:11:47,120
if it's not the whole half a cent if it's whatever but at least yet these ones of us that

2971
04:11:47,120 --> 04:11:50,900
It had to do some significant adjusting to our budgets.

2972
04:11:51,460 --> 04:11:58,200
So you're saying set the rate overall at 41 and a half and whatever we have left after

2973
04:11:58,200 --> 04:12:03,000
balancing the budget, shift the two rates to give that all set to no more?

2974
04:12:03,020 --> 04:12:03,760
The FMLR.

2975
04:12:04,180 --> 04:12:05,820
And it may not get it all back.

2976
04:12:06,480 --> 04:12:08,940
I mean, some of the precincts were hurt worse than I was.

2977
04:12:09,300 --> 04:12:11,480
I was pretty good kicking.

2978
04:12:12,280 --> 04:12:15,540
But some of them I know what Mark was and I think Rick was.

2979
04:12:15,540 --> 04:12:22,680
I don't know Larry if you were not as good, but at least that way there could be some minor

2980
04:12:22,680 --> 04:12:25,120
adjustment to the FMLR.

2981
04:12:25,340 --> 04:12:31,710
I'm there today for $100,000, but you're the budget for the next section.

2982
04:12:33,490 --> 04:12:35,070
So am I pretty good?

2983
04:12:35,130 --> 04:12:36,130
I make that clear, Steve.

2984
04:12:36,250 --> 04:12:37,130
Do you understand what I'm?

2985
04:12:41,490 --> 04:12:45,750
So maybe just a small portion of the half of any would have to go to

2986
04:12:48,920 --> 04:12:51,140
help correct the FMLR.

2987
04:12:51,300 --> 04:12:52,620
It's not going to fix it this year.

2988
04:12:52,840 --> 04:12:53,080
No.

2989
04:12:53,400 --> 04:12:54,500
It's not going to fix it.

2990
04:12:55,260 --> 04:12:59,640
but then next year we could do a little as I said earlier we lost it a little bit

2991
04:12:59,640 --> 04:13:07,360
at the time we may have to regain it just a little bit is that to use an

2992
04:13:07,360 --> 04:13:12,480
auditor seat is that make and we can we can we do that yes yes I'll

2993
04:13:16,870 --> 04:13:17,130
make a

2994
04:13:17,130 --> 04:13:23,970
motion set the overall tax rate of 41 and a half cents second I have a most

2995
04:13:23,970 --> 04:13:30,410
First of all, Commissioner Howe, second by Commissioner Woolley, to set the tax rate

2996
04:13:30,410 --> 04:13:39,650
it proposed, this Y'all keep in mind this is still a proposed tax rate of 41.5.

2997
04:13:40,970 --> 04:13:42,530
So we're open for discussion.

2998
04:13:44,110 --> 04:13:45,730
I want to read something to you.

2999
04:13:47,520 --> 04:13:58,650
In 2021, tax revenue, the tax social collector was $2,164,000, and $22,000.

3000
04:14:02,180 --> 04:14:07,400
2022, tax revenue was $2,719,000.

3001
04:14:08,100 --> 04:14:11,180
Our county auditor set

3002
04:14:15,950 --> 04:14:21,110
that right next year at $2,000,000.

3003
04:14:21,110 --> 04:14:25,730
And so he's decreased revenue every year and we've had

3004
04:14:25,730 --> 04:14:33,870
From tremendous increases in revenue. That's because the law changed that's right, but and and we've already discussed that

3005
04:14:33,870 --> 04:14:34,810
harder

3006
04:14:41,870 --> 04:14:42,370
but

3007
04:14:45,660 --> 04:14:48,340
I'll a little bit of common sense to it, but

3008
04:14:50,120 --> 04:14:56,100
You're decreasing instead of increasing. It's always increased substantially

3009
04:15:01,940 --> 04:15:29,500
We should probably just call it a dip, change the account number and rename it then because it's totally different. You can do what you want to do. Revenue is revenue. Call it what you want to call it. It's still revenue. But it is, but unless the people, unless the people revive RVs that all those big RV lots are from Johnson County, we do not get any of that anymore. Yeah. But our populations increase probably,

3010
04:15:32,370 --> 04:15:33,730
I'm bet you 10,000 people.

3011
04:15:33,730 --> 04:15:34,690
or more.

3012
04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:45,280
So it's certainly not going decrease and you've decreased it $700,000. That's huge.

3013
04:15:46,380 --> 04:15:52,100
I don't know why that's going to happen. But like I said, the proof is in the pudding.

3014
04:15:52,100 --> 04:15:59,950
I won't be here. I'll be retired and young worry about it. But I'm telling you, the money's

3015
04:15:59,950 --> 04:16:03,950
going to be there, and you're not, you're not

3016
04:16:07,470 --> 04:16:11,910
looking at the right numbers here. And

3017
04:16:12,670 --> 04:16:18,970
no one is in a plight of that one. All your numbers on every line item that you put

3018
04:16:18,970 --> 04:16:24,910
in here have either decreased or stayed about the same. And that's not going to happen

3019
04:16:24,910 --> 04:16:33,290
either. But a lot of those revenues have been flat or stagnant. Well, that's because

3020
04:16:33,290 --> 04:16:43,590
But now we'll come out of the COVID and like I said if you drove by the Gwen Justice Center this morning, that place was packed with people.

3021
04:16:44,490 --> 04:16:46,910
We're on the man we're going forward.

3022
04:16:47,870 --> 04:16:52,070
Our increases next year will be just like they were this year.

3023
04:16:53,390 --> 04:16:56,550
And no one's taking that in consideration.

3024
04:17:00,220 --> 04:17:03,760
But I've got a motion and I'm going to call for a vote.

3025
04:17:03,760 --> 04:17:12,720
On the proposal, I have a motion of $415 for tax rate, and the second by Commissioner Howell.

3026
04:17:15,350 --> 04:17:17,670
How do you, I vote nay.

3027
04:17:18,230 --> 04:17:25,290
How, howell made the motion in the second, I'm sorry, I'm going to vote nay against the budget.

3028
04:17:26,690 --> 04:17:27,390
Commissioner Bailey?

3029
04:17:28,430 --> 04:17:31,170
I don't want to vote no on an assumption the money's there.

3030
04:17:33,410 --> 04:17:34,070
Still a nay.

3031
04:17:34,070 --> 04:17:36,730
Okay, Commissioner White?

3032
04:17:37,490 --> 04:17:38,650
I vote yes.

3033
04:17:41,070 --> 04:17:41,930
Commissioner O'Reilly?

3034
04:17:42,270 --> 04:17:42,410
Yes.

3035
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:50,660
I made the motion, so I'll vote yes.

3036
04:17:51,060 --> 04:17:51,400
Okay.

3037
04:17:52,460 --> 04:17:53,820
That motion does carry.

3038
04:17:54,700 --> 04:17:54,900
Phew.

3039
04:17:55,440 --> 04:17:56,640
At least got past it.

3040
04:17:57,000 --> 04:17:57,500
For now.

3041
04:18:00,000 --> 04:18:00,580
Okay.

3042
04:18:00,900 --> 04:18:07,120
The item 3 is consideration to schedule public hearing on the tax rate for the 2022 tax

3043
04:18:07,120 --> 04:18:15,620
year. It's got your public hearing to be set 926 or 22 in a motion of approval of

3044
04:18:15,620 --> 04:18:15,800
that.

3045
04:18:16,140 --> 04:18:16,720
Raise your approval.

3046
04:18:18,240 --> 04:18:18,680
Second.

3047
04:18:19,480 --> 04:18:28,020
Motion of Commissioner Uli, second by Commissioner White, in discussion. All in favor

3048
04:18:28,020 --> 04:18:28,360
I?

3049
04:18:28,980 --> 04:18:29,620
Any opposed?

3050
04:18:34,820 --> 04:18:35,900
Okay, that's

3051
04:18:38,900 --> 04:18:40,720
somehow this got backwards.

3052
04:18:43,370 --> 04:18:47,750
Because our first public hearing is set to be

3053
04:18:47,750 --> 04:18:55,590
the 9-6 of 22, so that's a different thing.

3054
04:18:55,910 --> 04:18:57,790
That's on the proposed budget.

3055
04:18:58,710 --> 04:19:01,990
Okay, I'd entertain a motion for that.

3056
04:19:02,830 --> 04:19:03,490
So moved you.

3057
04:19:04,730 --> 04:19:05,190
Second.

3058
04:19:11,060 --> 04:19:12,200
Motion from Commissioner Bailey.

3059
04:19:12,420 --> 04:19:13,800
Second from Commissioner Howell.

3060
04:19:14,440 --> 04:19:20,100
To approve the public hearing for the proposed budget on 9-6 of 22.

3061
04:19:20,100 --> 04:19:22,880
two. All in favor, right?

3062
04:19:23,080 --> 04:19:23,340
All right.

3063
04:19:24,240 --> 04:19:25,620
The motion does carry.

3064
04:19:29,020 --> 04:19:29,400
Okay.

3065
04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:33,400
I believe that's everything. Our

3066
04:19:33,400 --> 04:19:41,000
record business was something I'd miss them number two under under new

3067
04:19:41,000 --> 04:19:44,420
business. Oh, I'm finished business. I'm sorry.

3068
04:19:46,710 --> 04:19:49,890
Yes, the ESD thing. Oh, I was

3069
04:19:49,890 --> 04:19:51,970
wondering why you was still hanging around here.

3070
04:19:54,840 --> 04:19:56,320
Well, listen, all this fun that's

3071
04:19:56,320 --> 04:19:56,960
been going on.

3072
04:19:59,320 --> 04:20:03,380
All right, let me read that motion. The consideration of a proposal for

3073
04:20:03,380 --> 04:20:10,000
and projects of American Rescue Plan for our funding. And that is a consideration of

3074
04:20:10,000 --> 04:20:15,080
agreement between Johnson County and Johnson County Emerges and Service District number

3075
04:20:15,080 --> 04:20:22,640
one for the distribution of our funds. Tom, you want to address any of that?

3076
04:20:23,520 --> 04:20:48,340
Judge, I can address that. We're mentioning this the other day when the representative from Grant Works was here, but this is the first agreement that the Court is going to enter into. It's with the SD to provide them opera funds. And I've reviewed it. And I think Tom's legal counsel reviewed it as well. And this one is for 100% funding up front.

3077
04:20:48,900 --> 04:20:49,340
Okay.

3078
04:20:49,720 --> 04:20:50,020
This is good.

3079
04:20:50,160 --> 04:20:53,620
To approve, Judge, give you authorization to sign.

3080
04:20:53,840 --> 04:20:54,340
I'll second.

3081
04:20:54,920 --> 04:21:01,120
Motion, commercial wire, second, and commercial baili, to approve, and to give me authorization

3082
04:21:01,120 --> 04:21:01,660
sign.

3083
04:21:02,120 --> 04:21:02,940
Any further discussion?

3084
04:21:03,140 --> 04:21:10,000
This also, if there's an extension of this for a year, Tom, you want to explain that a

3085
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:12,080
little bit just so the Court has a record of it.

3086
04:21:12,940 --> 04:21:14,080
And also, Tom.

3087
04:21:14,080 --> 04:21:21,740
I changed the one year and extension to two year extension because I'm pretty positive that my one get my vehicles in one year.

3088
04:21:22,160 --> 04:21:24,980
Yeah, yeah, so I just want to be on the way it's been going anyhow.

3089
04:21:25,240 --> 04:21:27,100
Yeah, and that's thank y'all for that.

3090
04:21:27,220 --> 04:21:29,280
Hopefully you will, but most of all.

3091
04:21:29,380 --> 04:21:33,580
And that's still before the deadline of December 31st of 2006.

3092
04:21:34,040 --> 04:21:34,920
Yeah, hey, Tom.

3093
04:21:35,200 --> 04:21:41,840
You might also make comment about the savings that you're realizing purchasing those,

3094
04:21:41,840 --> 04:21:44,040
some of those items through AMR?

3095
04:21:44,400 --> 04:21:48,520
Yes, we're making a large savings in the monitors that we're purchasing,

3096
04:21:49,200 --> 04:21:52,300
but then we're going to have to spend that savings that we're saving because the vehicle's

3097
04:21:52,300 --> 04:21:53,460
went up 30,000 a piece.

3098
04:21:54,040 --> 04:21:54,320
Okay.

3099
04:21:54,720 --> 04:22:00,220
So, we still should have some leftover but going by through the AMR contract,

3100
04:22:02,080 --> 04:22:06,400
they were saving almost $40,000 a monitor.

3101
04:22:08,260 --> 04:22:15,760
So yes, and then I'm beneficiary side of it, we were allowed to do this, and if we

3102
04:22:15,760 --> 04:22:20,200
wasn't, then it was, we were going to have to, uh, the Amar couldn't bid on it, or I couldn't

3103
04:22:20,200 --> 04:22:24,820
purchase to them. So it's a great savings, and with the increase of the vehicles, there's still

3104
04:22:24,820 --> 04:22:27,060
maybe some money left over that I could turn back.

3105
04:22:27,440 --> 04:22:31,210
Court of this doesn't look like her to hold on.

3106
04:22:32,550 --> 04:22:39,150
I'm trying to save the money, so I hear y'all don't have the ARPA funds, I'll try to get back what I can get back.

3107
04:22:39,590 --> 04:22:40,150
Thank you.

3108
04:22:40,650 --> 04:22:41,190
Thank y'all.

3109
04:22:41,670 --> 04:22:49,050
And Steve, paragraph number three says that there'll be funds in two weeks of the approval of this agreement if you look at paragraph number three.

3110
04:22:49,650 --> 04:22:54,430
So we can cut it on the next bill run, only two weeks from today.

3111
04:22:59,000 --> 04:23:00,300
All right, any further comments?

3112
04:23:00,300 --> 04:23:01,760
All in favor, aye?

3113
04:23:02,180 --> 04:23:03,060
Any opposed?

3114
04:23:04,440 --> 04:23:05,340
Motion carries.

3115
04:23:06,900 --> 04:23:07,440
Okay.

3116
04:23:07,880 --> 04:23:08,140
What

3117
04:23:16,230 --> 04:23:16,910
are you doing, Judd?

3118
04:23:17,090 --> 04:23:18,390
Oh, I'm about to tear this thing up.

3119
04:23:22,310 --> 04:23:25,450
Okay, on item 26, there'll be no action for us.

3120
04:23:26,530 --> 04:23:27,910
Yeah, there is concern.

3121
04:23:29,900 --> 04:23:33,460
So this time, the Johnson County Commissioner's Court will come out of

3122
04:23:33,460 --> 04:23:34,460
a regular session.

3123
04:23:34,600 --> 04:23:40,720
We'll go into close executive session under government code section 551074

3124
04:23:40,720 --> 04:23:47,600
on the personnel, open position, number B03-023,

3125
04:23:48,600 --> 04:23:50,680
attorney two in the district attorney's office.

3126
04:23:51,240 --> 04:23:54,400
This court is now in closed executive session.

3127
04:24:05,540 --> 04:24:08,220
At 3.36 p.m. Johnson County Commission's court

3128
04:24:08,220 --> 04:24:11,540
come out of closed executive session

3129
04:24:11,540 --> 04:24:13,700
back in the open regular session.

3130
04:24:19,220 --> 04:24:21,740
First off, I'll tuck in motion in regards

3131
04:24:21,740 --> 04:24:23,760
to our executive session, Adam.

3132
04:24:23,760 --> 04:24:35,050
Judge, I move to approve the hiring of a law student extern to fill position B03-023

3133
04:24:35,050 --> 04:24:45,310
as an attorney to at the rate of $24 an hour funded by Harper funds and that this position

3134
04:24:45,310 --> 04:24:51,030
be effective and the hiring be effective Monday, August 15, 2022.

3135
04:24:52,310 --> 04:24:53,090
I

3136
04:24:55,170 --> 04:25:02,030
have a motion by Commissioner Woolie, second by Commissioner White to approve the motion

3137
04:25:02,030 --> 04:25:06,170
that was just made by Commissioner Woolie at

3138
04:25:08,250 --> 04:25:11,870
the dollar amounts set is there any other

3139
04:25:11,870 --> 04:25:19,970
discussion? All in favor, aye? Any opposed? No one opposes that motion carries.

3140
04:25:20,750 --> 04:25:23,810
Okay, let's go back up to a new

3141
04:25:29,980 --> 04:25:31,460
business, 14,

3142
04:25:34,090 --> 04:25:36,430
we approve, let me get to it.

3143
04:25:37,030 --> 04:25:37,310
I

3144
04:25:43,100 --> 04:25:46,560
need to go back to the new business, too, too, just so I can state these.

3145
04:25:46,760 --> 04:25:48,000
Yeah, those numbers.

3146
04:25:54,670 --> 04:25:55,410
Going first, good.

3147
04:25:56,610 --> 04:26:01,930
Oh, let's, I'm already back up to those numbers, so let's go back to the new business, too.

3148
04:26:02,810 --> 04:26:08,870
And I had a motion by Commissioner Howell, second by Commissioner Mouli, so let's state the

3149
04:26:08,870 --> 04:26:11,510
the numbers that need to be put into their.

3150
04:26:12,230 --> 04:26:18,390
Okay, this is just to make sure we have the record straight and state this, as the state

3151
04:26:18,390 --> 04:26:29,110
asks to make the motion to approve the proposed tax rate, which will now be the 2023 tax

3152
04:26:29,110 --> 04:26:33,570
year, 2022 tax year, as follows.

3153
04:26:33,570 --> 04:26:44,570
no new revenue tax rate of point three seven five three nine zero per

3154
04:26:44,570 --> 04:26:55,450
hundred dollars valuation the debt tax rate of point zero zero seven four five

3155
04:26:55,450 --> 04:27:11,530
five, per $100 valuation, and the voter approval tax rate of 0.431325, per $100 valuation,

3156
04:27:11,990 --> 04:27:23,150
and a total proposed tax rate of 0.41500, per $100 valuation.

3157
04:27:30,030 --> 04:27:30,570
Second.

3158
04:27:30,570 --> 04:27:35,930
I have a motion in the second for the red,

3159
04:27:40,520 --> 04:27:45,700
no new revenue rate, the just new revenue rate, M&O.

3160
04:27:46,400 --> 04:27:56,900
Voter approval, M&O, debt rate, and voter approval tax rate at 41, 141500.

3161
04:28:00,300 --> 04:28:02,280
And we took a record vote on that.

3162
04:28:02,280 --> 04:28:12,500
But in my vote is still nay, Commissioner Howell, made the motion, Commissioner Bailey is more

3163
04:28:12,500 --> 04:28:13,060
to your vote.

3164
04:28:16,490 --> 04:28:17,730
I'm voting for vote against the nay.

3165
04:28:19,070 --> 04:28:19,170
Okay.

3166
04:28:25,700 --> 04:28:27,280
Commissioner White.

3167
04:28:28,080 --> 04:28:28,860
It's still yes.

3168
04:28:29,520 --> 04:28:30,180
Commissioner Woodley.

3169
04:28:30,500 --> 04:28:30,600
Yes.

3170
04:28:31,080 --> 04:28:31,200
Okay.

3171
04:28:32,420 --> 04:28:34,900
That motion carries on three to vote,

3172
04:28:38,920 --> 04:28:42,760
and then we had one other cleaned up deal to do on

3173
04:28:42,760 --> 04:28:42,980
the.

3174
04:28:42,980 --> 04:28:43,840
I'm

3175
04:28:46,340 --> 04:28:52,300
finished business number two and it was last quarter, 720.

3176
04:29:01,080 --> 04:29:11,240
Under the proposal projects for the American Rescue Plan, we had talked about that, I think we purchased three vehicles that correct.

3177
04:29:15,910 --> 04:29:24,170
We approved one of the three to be purchased for our funding, but I think we wanted to purchase the

3178
04:29:27,600 --> 04:29:29,280
upfitting was not specified.

3179
04:29:29,280 --> 04:29:32,180
whether it would be paid under ARPA or not.

3180
04:29:32,960 --> 04:29:39,540
So I guess we need an emotion in regards to that.

3181
04:29:42,760 --> 04:29:45,460
Upfitting is to be paid by ARPA funding.

3182
04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:48,200
No, which vehicle are we talking about this for?

3183
04:29:51,410 --> 04:29:54,110
I came for X-AN and followed back there.

3184
04:29:55,010 --> 04:29:55,810
I couldn't recall.

3185
04:29:56,650 --> 04:29:58,490
It's one of the Ford responders.

3186
04:30:00,690 --> 04:30:07,510
Right. That's what I'm talking about. I thought we'd do it too. One in the minutes, they said,

3187
04:30:10,320 --> 04:30:12,920
so just single F-150.

3188
04:30:18,140 --> 04:30:18,400
And the

3189
04:30:18,400 --> 04:30:22,680
regime motion was by commercial white and second by commercial Bayley.

3190
04:30:27,860 --> 04:30:40,960
That was on, that's the, that's today's. What number are we on, gentlemen? New business two unfinished business two days. My motion was on the ESD deal.

3191
04:30:41,600 --> 04:30:48,000
today. This was from last, last court. Yeah.

3192
04:30:50,220 --> 04:30:52,500
But we can still address this court because

3193
04:30:52,500 --> 04:30:55,160
it still falls in Arpa funding. Right.

3194
04:31:06,780 --> 04:31:09,100
So I actually all I need, I think if I got

3195
04:31:09,100 --> 04:31:17,240
it correctly, my man is in motion to approve the upfitting to come out of Arpa. To come

3196
04:31:17,240 --> 04:31:22,020
out of Arpa. Well, I mean, we've already approved the vehicle, so I make the motion that we

3197
04:31:22,960 --> 04:31:26,240
approves using arpefines to upfit the vehicle.

3198
04:31:26,700 --> 04:31:27,140
Second.

3199
04:31:30,620 --> 04:31:32,060
We have a number on that.

3200
04:31:32,220 --> 04:31:33,120
They didn't do we not.

3201
04:31:33,200 --> 04:31:33,760
Yeah, it wasn't.

3202
04:31:33,840 --> 04:31:34,360
We approved.

3203
04:31:36,740 --> 04:31:37,140
Okay.

3204
04:31:38,160 --> 04:31:39,800
That probably needs to be in your motion.

3205
04:31:40,080 --> 04:31:40,460
Commissioner.

3206
04:31:40,920 --> 04:31:41,360
Oh, okay.

3207
04:31:41,480 --> 04:31:42,480
That's five more vehicle.

3208
04:31:43,000 --> 04:31:44,040
Do we have a number?

3209
04:31:50,260 --> 04:31:51,200
It must be on 26.

3210
04:31:51,460 --> 04:31:51,660
That's it.

3211
04:31:51,860 --> 04:31:52,200
Pull up.

3212
04:31:52,260 --> 04:31:53,220
Last week's agenda.

3213
04:31:54,080 --> 04:31:56,820
Did you say?

3214
04:31:56,860 --> 04:31:59,900
I mean, our person thanking me when we approved the vehicle,

3215
04:32:02,920 --> 04:32:04,600
I actually thought we did.

3216
04:32:04,760 --> 04:32:05,700
I thought we did.

3217
04:32:05,720 --> 04:32:08,680
The vehicle and the upfitting it might not have got working that way.

3218
04:32:08,720 --> 04:32:09,440
I'm sure we did.

3219
04:32:10,480 --> 04:32:16,060
Well, and this is for one of the four responders that the Sheriff's Office is getting.

3220
04:32:16,540 --> 04:32:18,060
I don't know what that is.

3221
04:32:20,120 --> 04:32:20,600
478432.

3222
04:32:23,200 --> 04:32:23,680
478432.

3223
04:32:24,200 --> 04:32:24,900
It's your motion.

3224
04:32:25,100 --> 04:32:25,720
That's my motion.

3225
04:32:25,840 --> 04:32:26,460
Should I have a second?

3226
04:32:29,350 --> 04:32:29,830
Second.

3227
04:32:29,830 --> 04:32:37,430
Commissioner Bailey. All in favor aye. Any opposed? No one opposes that motion carries.

3228
04:32:38,870 --> 04:32:39,550
Yeah.

3229
04:32:49,690 --> 04:32:50,010
Okay.

3230
04:32:53,680 --> 04:32:56,580
I think that completes our agenda for today.

3231
04:33:01,550 --> 04:33:02,990
Look there and just to be sure.

3232
04:33:18,530 --> 04:33:22,450
All right. Being no further business of this meeting, this court is adjourned.