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Okay. 6:30
Thursday February 19th calling the

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select board to order. Are there any
additions or adjustments to the agenda

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as presented?
>> Is there an update on the teacher

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language library?
>> No, but we can talk about that under

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issues and concerns.
>> That one's on me.

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Invoices and orders are going around.
Are there any comments from the public

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or public announcements?
public comment.

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» Yeah, you got one.
>> Yeah. Supposed to be Jess. Oh, Jesse

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here or J, but I guess I'd be up here.
But um we're requesting that

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» Can you come up to the mic? Microphone.
Mic.

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» Microphone. Mic.
>> Uh we're requesting that uh Johnson Eats

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uh be the fiscal agent for a grant we're
applying for. that would allow us to

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upgrade our point of sales system and uh
accept Wick.

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» There's a grant that the store wants.
>> Yes. But we need a fiscal agent and we

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thought Johnson Eats could do it.
>> Johnson Eats can't do They're a

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committee. It would be the town, right?
>> They Yeah. I I read I read a little bit

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about the requirements. It seems like a
committee that's appointed by the select

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board could be. If it can't be, would
anyone else want to do it?

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» Well, I I got the I got an email on
that. And when I got the email, I didn't

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think I had time,
>> you know, to put something together.

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» Yeah.
>> And my recommendation was LCPC.

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» Yeah. And she reached out to LCPC and I
don't think that Pat got back to her.

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» I thought you said it has to be a
municipality. It could be a mun

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municipality. Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» What's the deadline in the grant?
>> Um

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I think it's awarded on the ETH, but the
it was already submitted, I believe with

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the hope that um they would uh allow
whoever was the fiscal agent to be

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decided after. I'm not the one writing
it. The health department's writing it.

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It was more like Johnson Eats was going
to work with Mike to go after the grant

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and apply if the SL board approves,
>> right?

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» Cuz at their meeting they just had, they
uh approved that they would work with

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mine to go after the grant.
>> Gotcha.

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I feel like I'm a step behind you. What
is the grant?

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» Me too. Um we got approached by the
Department of Health, the blogging to

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help us do this like very very last
minute. The grant is uh to um help us

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buy a point of sale system. And the new
point of sale system, because the one we

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have right now, doesn't allow us to
accept Wick because they don't work with

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the WIC program. Uh so this new point of
sale would allow us to accept WIC

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basically.

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Dan, okay, it seems the health
department is coming to you to say you

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need a new point of sale system
>> because it's the the person that is at

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the health department that approached us
is in charge of the wick program and

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we've been working on trying to get wick
for since we opened. We're on month 10

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of trying to do this.
>> So, they approached you about a grant,

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but they won't allow you to apply for it
yourself.

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» Apparently, that's what the person at
the health department says. We need a

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fiscal agent
>> allow for the funds to come to you,

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» right? They would accept the grant on
our behalf and I don't know on our

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behalf or they would accept the grant
and then pass the money to us. Yeah. All

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new to me. I have no idea what's going
on.

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» I just know we really want
>> uh that would be a pass through agent.

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» Right.
>> It did list municipality as one of being

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one of the qualified fiscal agents
>> sort of. I would think that would be a

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reference to burn it through the town of
one of Rosemary's hands.

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» Well, money comes through to
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» Rosemary handles all the money.

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» A lot of times I think uh grants want to
run through a municipality, you know,

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because you've got that accountability.
Uh everything go through

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would oversee the funds and um if
there's any issues or concerns then they

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can come back to the town whereas if
they give the money to a private

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individual then you're not going to have
that track in

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» right so the deal is you want us to
write the grant give you the money

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» no the health department lady at the
health department's writing the grant we

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literally just need somebody to say yeah
I'll be the fiscal agent receive the

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grant if we are awarded it and then give
us the money

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» I'd like to see the grant paperwork in
the grant first before I move anything.

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» What's the source of the grant?
>> It's I believe it's a federal grant and

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it's for the health I forget the name of
it, but it's geared towards the

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health health sector.
>> That's another reason why it needs to

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come to a municipality. Federal money,
right?

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your deadline's the 8th.
>> I think it's like I I think we've

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already submitted and we'd have to make
like an adjustment to who is the fiscal

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agent or we'd have to list that after. I
really I honestly don't know what

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» what would the board like to do.
>> So, you've made a decision tonight.

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» No.
>> Okay.

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Questions here.
>> Yep. Exactly. I could I'll I'll email

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all the relevant info that I have
and can list the contact at the health

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department that's helping us. See if
they have any information.

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» Sounds good.
>> And if not, then we'll try again the

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next time and I'll try to stay on top of
it more than I think we had a six day

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notice
and I wasn't going to say no when

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somebody was trying to reach out to help
us with an issue that we've been trying

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to solve. So, I I understand this is
third, but

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» well,
>> I am as shocked as you are.

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» If if uh if for some reason like you
need us to make a decision before our

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next meeting, maybe reach out to us with
what information you can to provide and

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we can attempt to do what we can before
our meeting.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» The next meeting being March 2nd.
>> March 2nd. Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> That's our next regular meeting. next

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regular meeting. Yes. Good timing. All
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» All right. Thank you, Mike.
>> Anything else from the public?

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» Hearing none. Seeing none, uh, select
board updates, issues, or concerns. I

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have one for the board. I guess I kind
of want

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thought process. Uh, we're in interlocal
kennel agreement with Hyde Park. Um, and

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I believe there's another kennel that
has offered to be that interlocal group

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kennel
with a lower fixed cost, but

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the feeding and animal care at night
have to look a little different. I don't

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see much of a choice, but
basically

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um, another town and the interlocalist
said that they don't want to go forward

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with it.
And we just need to know if we're

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willing to continue the interlocal a
reduced fixed cost, but most likely an

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increased animal care cost.

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» You can attach any kind of numbers to
that.

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» Uh the overall is a,000 bucks a month,
12,000 total. What if it's four towns?

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That's only 3,000
like fixed cost.

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Right now we pay 54 fixed cost something
in that neighborhood.

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» Yeah, it's over $1,000.
>> Is it?

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» Oh, I mean a quarter.
>> Quarter. Yeah.

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» The bill's in the pocket.
>> You want to know exactly? So there's

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» one of the towns in the current
agreement is opting not to go with this

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one. Is that
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» Okay.
>> Relatively small population town.

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» Mhm.

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» Does anybody have any issues? We're
required to have a kennel anyways. I

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don't see how there's much, but they
don't really have any other choice.

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» The other choice to go it alone or
>> find a different setup.

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I'll continue with that then in
>> favor.

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» Wonderful. Any other issues, updates,
concerns from the board?

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this is not really anything we can act
on or do anything about tonight, but I'm

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concerned that I've seen a couple local
businesses close recently and uh, some

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restaurants and uh, I don't know what we
can do about that, but I just want us to

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keep in the back of our mind if any
opportunities arise to

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um,
anything in our power that we can do, we

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it if a day arises but yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. Not good news.

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» Yeah.
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» I mean, did these businesses site their
recent proposing or

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» um
I think just a lack of business maybe,

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but I don't know for sure.
>> I think I heard that moves was um it had

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to do with like landlord issues and the
condition of the building.

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» Okay. Hm.
>> Was it another one?

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» Um, well, there's been some good amount
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» Bubble tea.
>> The bubble tea closed. Something else

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has gone there now, which is good. But,
uh, it's been a good amount of turnover.

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Yeah,
>> restaurant industry is tough, but

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» I agree with you. There's something we
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» Anything else from the board?

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Okay, next up we have the consent
agenda. And for the public's

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information, the consent agenda is
approving the minutes from February 2nd

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as well as approving a liquor license
renewal for Marcala Salsa Restaurant and

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Bar LLC. M
>> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to discuss the

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minutes of February 2nd. Do you want to
have a motion first and then have

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discussion or do you want me to bring it
up before? May

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» as well make a motion, second and
further discussion.

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» Okay. move we approve the consent
agenda.

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» Okay.
>> Second.

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» Further discussion.
>> Uh I was looking under the the portion

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of the library and I made a statement at
the end and I don't seem to find it. I I

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made the statement this whole library
project has turned into a big boondogga

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and it's no hard to be found and I would
like it inserted into the minutes. I

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guess I didn't feel like that was a
super important statement, but it is.

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» It is. It is. It's turned into a bund.
>> So, you've asked

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» and I'd like it as far as the public
record.

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» Well, the board agrees to that. Sure.
>> You've asked for the minutes to be

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amended or do you just want to make sure
it's in this meeting's minutes?

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» I just I'd rather have it amended.
>> Okay. The motion and the second. Are you

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okay with that addition amendment?
>> Yes.

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» Sounds like something you would have
said. So, yeah,

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» I would feel like saying that. Okay. Uh
I guess motion or second. Yeah. Any

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further discussion?
All those

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in favor, please signify by saying I.
>> I.

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» All those opposed.
>> Thank you, board. Appreciate it.

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» The eyes have it.
>> Rosemary. Anything for us?

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» I just have a question for the board.
Now that you've changed the holidays

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regarding town meeting, it's no longer a
holiday. If you want the office to be

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open,

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» you're not Susan and I will be at town
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» So will John.
>> I I think we should The office should be

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closed.
>> But the village employees will be here.

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» I had a village employee ask me if we be
closed.

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» I can

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It should be open. I agree.

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» What are you two agreeing for now? This
is new.

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» There's not you.
>> No, I think we I think we should be

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close cuz uh one of the workers is a
town employee, so she won't be able to

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come to town meeting day.
>> Well, it's there's plenty of vacation

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time.
>> Huh. There's we do have a pretty

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generous combined time off policy if
somebody I don't think we're allowed to

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deny somebody that wants to take
vacation on town meeting day to

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» it should be
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» we thought if we want the employee to be
a town meeting that's sort of their work

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for the day.
>> Yeah.

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» So even though the office they can be
else is

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» yes but we can't leave the office
without any workers in it. It'd be a

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village worker, right?

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» There will definitely
>> unless they take time off.

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» At the very least, there'll be two
village employees.

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» Yes.

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» Well, there's only
be one

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left in the office that's a town
employee, then one eligible.

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Traditionally in Vermont, has hasn't it
been the tradition to encourage

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uh
operations to be closed to boost

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attendance in town decision making?
>> Well, we have one

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» employee that does not live in Johnson.
>> We have a few.

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» Yeah. But um
>> they they should they should be part of

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their town meeting in their town then.
>> So are you saying that instead of giving

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13 holidays we should have given 14?
>> I don't think it should be a holiday. I

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think that
>> it was a holiday.

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» Well yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying adding
another holiday. I'm saying that worker

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work at town meeting day
>> like actually accomplishing work or just

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attending town meeting day as another
paid day while they're not doing

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» I think working town meeting day because
Rosemary is not going to be here so I

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think we should have other employees
learning the process for when she won't

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be here anymore.

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» Why' you have to put this question in
front of us? If I got asked it, I have

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said
>> show of hands. Who would like the office

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to stay open on town meeting day being
that it is not a holiday?

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Okay. Who would like it closed?
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» I mean, it could stay open if the
village wants to keep it open.

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» Well, the village will follow suit with
whatever the town does, I'm sure.

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Guess it stays open
>> unless everybody takes vacation

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if they want to value going to town
meeting. I have to take a vacation day

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to go to town meeting.
Yeah.

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» Guess if everybody takes the vacation
day, it had to be closed. Nobody here,

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» right?
>> Huh?

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» Can I write a letter to your company
encourage them to give you the day off?

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You can waste your time if you

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Okay.
Any other zingers, Rosemary?

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» No, I think enough one a meeting is
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» Okay.
>> And I want to thank the board for the

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dedication with the town report.
>> The board wants to thank you for

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everything you've done.

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» I'll save that for later. Uh, next up,
Carl Hoty.

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How are you?
>> Good. You

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» good? Still here. Did
>> we do the uh

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» We did
>> under the consent agenda. Okay.

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» All right. I guess I'll start with going
through the SDS report. I put a copy in

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here.

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uh sort of hit some of the highlights
for people that are here and people that

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might be watching the meeting.
So first um the NBRC grant in the

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industrial park the quarterly report u
was submitted on time on January 28th

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from our bi-weekly team meetings. Uh the
last meeting it was reported that we're

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still waiting on four state permits, the
same four that have been listed in the

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report in prior months. And just this
evening about 5:30, I got an email from

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the state
saying that there was some activity on

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the storm water operation report at the
last team meeting. The engineers

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reported they have been in conversation
with the people reviewing that permit

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and a question that the state had about
the source protection area for drinking

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water. Um that's been addressed and um
so it looks like maybe that um operation

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permit for storm water is moving ahead.
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I did send out the letter to the owners
of the property that have a shed that is

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crosses over the property line and is
partly on the town's industrial park

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property.
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owners and he doesn't have any issue
with with the letter and um and is glad

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to hear that town's moving ahead with
the industrial park.

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Um he sees it as an opportunity perhaps
he could get that house that he has

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there connected to the the village sewer
system using that new sewer line. And

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also if possible he might build another
house on the other side of that existing

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one and that would also you would try to
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And today uh a letter went out to the
other the butters. So that was a letter

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just to notify them that the town has
applied for permits and I we sent them

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an aerial photo showing the location of
the industrial park and their property

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and invited them to contact us and come
to the office and see the plans if they

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have any questions.

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um you had received two memos from me um
for your packet and then also an email

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on I think Tuesday. We'll go over those
um after the says report.

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Um the building communities grant
recreation the welcome center

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um the improvements except the painting
have been completed.

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The lease agreement that you approved at
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submitted to the rail I'm sorry you
approved that on February 2nd meeting

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and that was submitted to the rail trail
office at BR.

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We have not um heard back from them yet.
>> That's another project Mr. chairman

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started up small has turned into a big

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I'm relaying a message here from the
rail trail committee. It seems that um

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their membership is down to six out of
nine um authorized members

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and um I don't Do you recall did the
select board accept Peggy Williams

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resignation back in the fall? We did.
>> I believe we did.

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» All right. Well, that's um I do recall
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about her um resigning because she moved
away, I think. But he would like to see

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if and some advertising could be done to
solicit additional members. He said

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they're finding it hard to conduct
business because with only six members

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now, if two people happen to be absent
from the meeting that they don't have a

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quorum to officially conduct business.
>> Yes. Uh John, could you work with Lydia

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to post
all um vacant seats for all the

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committees and commissions?
She should have a spreadsheet of active

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members that's hopefully uploaded.
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Thank you.
Um the the Voric uh grant what funded

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the rail trail connector scoping study.
Um town did receive the reimbursement of

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that. You were rewarded $27,700
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And apparently that's what was paid to
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The recreation economy for rural
communities grant, that's the um

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EPA technical assistance grant.
It's been a lot of activity.

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Uh so on January 29th, the EPA's
planning assistance team held their

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introductory call for online meeting
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And then on February 5th, that planning
assistance team held its peer convening,

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which was a nationwide meeting. All the
25 grantees were um invited to have

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several people attend and um it was a
4-hour meeting and during that meeting

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they had uh presentations by prior year
grantees to talk about their um work

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that they did and what success they're
starting to see.

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Uh so that was held on um February 5th
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back in December I was asked to submit a
EPA called the scheduler.

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Um it was uh like a poll to see what um
poss what meeting dates might be good

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for EPA's assistance team to come here
and conduct the community workshop

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which is like the key point in this um
process.

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Uh so we submitted that and then EPA got
back to us and uh asked how about the

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sometime during the week of August 24 to
28, 2026.

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I pulled the Johnson Steering Committee
members to find out what two days would

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be best. And turns out it was Thursday
and Friday the 27th 28th. We submitted

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that to EPA and they've confirmed that.
Um, so mark your calendars. These are

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two important dates, Thursday the 27th
and Friday the 28th of August.

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Um it's so the first day the steering
committee um will take the planning

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assistance team around the various sites
in town to help that team sort of

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conceptualize what Johnson has or what
challenges they might face with various

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recreation um facilities. And then the
next day will be a full day of meetings

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where the general public is invited but
also the steering committee is supposed

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to make an attempt to invite specific u
interested and uh re resources to the

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meeting. So that might be where somebody
like Jackie Casino from the rail trail

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program comes to um meet with everybody.

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And um very recently like just this week
um I received an email um about um that

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planning assistance team wanting to
schedule the first three online meetings

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with the steering committee. And so this
evening um before coming up here, I got

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an email out to your steering committee
members and asked them about what nights

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they um would want to meet. And I
suggested that they start they plan to

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start meeting every two weeks
u because um that there is some

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significant work that needs to be done
between those three calls with the

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planning assistance team.
>> Sorry, what does PAT stand for?

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» Planning assistance team. Okay.

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» All right. Uh the Vermont Community
Foundation grants, uh the playground

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money, uh is got tied to the Legion
Field, um

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study or analysis, um because it was
determined that

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using that money for the playground at
Legion Field would be the best use.

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um or the second Legion Field meeting.
Isabelle Sullivan did provide some good

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information
uh for everybody to see. She from a

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vendor. She had actual di pictures of
playground equipment complete with

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dimensions so that you could see if you
bought this product, you need to have an

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area 30 feet by 23 feet, for example.
Um, and it was products that were g

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geared towards the younger children uh
rather than say the 5 to 12 year old

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cohort
because apparently that's um a feeling

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that that's the need here in Johnson
that Old Mill Park you do have equipment

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already for older kids.
Uh the skate park uh money $3,300. Um, I

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have a question for you. Maybe, you
know, you have a discussion tonight

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about um the skate park RFP.
Is that

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um planning to use this $3,300 or is
that something completely different?

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» It's the uh

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DR4720
reimbursement FEMA money.

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» Oh, so that's you're you're looking at
using the Puma money. what you're

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talking about tonight.

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» Maybe that gets looped in with it. I
don't know.

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» No, this I think is probably spent.
>> Now, my question is if the bids come in

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higher than the FEMA money, uh Carl, do
you think that 3,300 could be used

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as part of that project?

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Well, I would think so, but it's been um
about seven months since I spoke with

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somebody from VCF about what that $3,300
was intended for. And off the top of my

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head, I I can't say if there was a
specific use or or some conditions that

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would prohibit combining it with the
FEMA money. So, we can check on that.

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John, thank you.
All right. Uh the Legion Field, um the

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second meeting was held on February 4th
and it um I think was a another good

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meeting with the public. Um the um
there was very um thoughtful um input

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provided and uh I think it was just a
showed that you get some people together

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who um have an open mind and respectful
you you have a good product. So I was I

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was pretty encouraged by um by that
meeting. So the next step is for Dubo

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and King to prepare a another layout um
based on the comments received and that

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would that layout would be presented to
you and then the select board needs to

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um then say okay this is our final plan
and we need that so that we know what

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improvements are to be made
at Legion Field. So once you make that

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decision, then somebody's going to need
to look at that and say, "Okay,

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you need to do this first, this second.
You can't do number three because four

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one and two because then you'll be
disturbing three when you go back to do

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step one."
>> Is there a deadline for using those

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funds? That
>> those deadlines have passed. Okay.

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» We're we're getting by on BCF's legal
seat right now. Okay.

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» But I think that if they asked and or
they would see what's going into this, I

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think they would be very pleased.
>> Okay. Maybe we could send them the final

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draft once it's finished. Okay.
>> All right. And Holmes Meadow, uh, the

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first construction invoice from Boulder
was submitted two days ago.

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On se on January 30th, there was a site
inspection. John and I attended with

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people from SLR Boulder and LCPC.
We visited both Homes Meadow and then

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went over to the the gravel pit so that
um SLR could point things out and we

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could ask questions. So everything um
seemed to be good there. And then later

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SLR submitted their last inspection
report for the winter. And so that um in

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summary read that the excavating and the
hauling of sediment from the meadow was

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completed and at that time the final
grading was underway.

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the hauling the necessary sediment to
the landfill was completed

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and Boulder was hauling fill to the
library which I think we knew but um

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there was a question about who was
working with it there and it turns out

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it was Boulder. They apparently
volunteered to to do something there

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probably so that they could
start hauling Phil over there or

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complete the hauling of Phil there.
>> Uh there is a a change order uh number

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four that's been presented.
Um there were some questions raised.

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Evan asked to be sure that the the grant
was going to cover the additional

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expense and I just learned late this
afternoon that Vermont Emergency

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Management has okayed that grant
amendment or adjustment but the agency

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of administration still has to sign off
on it and that has not come through yet.

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So I would ask that you you know based
on what Edmond's

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position was that you um defer postpone
action on that and probably have it on

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the next agenda.
>> What was the reason for that change

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order?
>> That's u for the um extra extraction and

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hauling of gravel out of the pit.
>> Would you say the engineer should be

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responsible for that? They were the ones
that were supposedly figuring out how

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much material was over there. Correct.
>> I don't know that. I don't know how it

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was determined how many cubic yards
of gravel were in the pit to be hauled

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out. The LCPC staff did tell me that
um experience with other cells within

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the pit was taken into consideration,
but as it turns out, the the um the

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ledge was not at the same depth um in
the area where they did all this

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extraction as it was in other parts of
of the pit. So the the sand and gravel

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or just gravel, I'm not sure what you
have there, just ran deeper than

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» Well, I got a whole pile of bills
engineers.

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U you would think with the amount of
money we were spending with these

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engineers that we might have a little
bit better product.

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» I don't know if did they do any test
borings. You know,

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» another question uh this engineering
stuff, this is all a pass through,

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right? Is the town paying for all of
this?

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» Okay. Well, I've got a question a little
bit later on some of these bills from

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the engineer and from the county
planning commission. It looks like we

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paid one of them twice,
but I'll take that up later.

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» Okay.
>> All right. And um also um on March 2nd,

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you probably will be asked to take um a
couple of actions regarding a second

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grant
for the Homes Meadow Project.

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And
um it's a $130,000

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grant called a clean water service
provider grant from the Agency of

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Natural Resources.
Do does the board know

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about this. It's
>> not ringing a bell for me at all.

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» I think LCPC had mentioned that before.
>> Right. Well, that's that would make

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sense because the grant is actually
awarded to LCPC

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on the town's behalf for this project.
So, one of the documents that you will

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be asked to approve is something called
a site access license.

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And basically you're the property owner
and you're agreeing that people from

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LCPC and the state can go on the
property to to do certain maintenance

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work and inspections.
And then the other document is a grant

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agreement like a subgrant agreement with
LCPC.

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No, I think that that's um going to be
presented to you on March 2nd.

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So that's
the highlights of the written report

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that I gave you. Any questions?

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» Oh, um
for the Borak uh rail trail connector

427
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:59,440
scoping study, was this this money just
for the scoping study or are you are you

428
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:07,200
saying like we have this money to spend
on improvements? No, the 27,700

429
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:10,720
was just to conduct the scoping study.
>> Okay. Okay.

430
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,079
» So now if you want to work on
improvements,

431
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,680
» okay,
>> you'd have to seek other funding and and

432
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:21,680
in the report that EHB provided, they
did um list some grant funding

433
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,599
opportunities.
>> Okay. Just making sure. Um

434
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,920
you're going to be done at the end of
the month, right?

435
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:36,079
I've said before that I would be done at
the end of March, but I have told John

436
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:42,400
that if
>> you still don't have somebody and you

437
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:46,480
want me to stay around, I I will. Um
I've been trying to make some

438
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:51,119
adjustments so that this works better
for me. I'm not driving up here quite as

439
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,760
often because in the winter time it's at
least an hour and 15 minute drive one

440
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,839
way.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And um so far also working

441
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,000
online
has been working out to attend meetings.

442
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:10,240
» Okay.
>> Um I I just asked that cuz I'm wondering

443
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:15,359
if you think you'd be able to um submit
the act 250 permit for the granite

444
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:20,880
stairs before that that date.
>> I would really like to Okay. get back to

445
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:24,480
that so that we get that permit uh right
away and then could

446
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:28,480
» get some quotes for doing.
>> Yeah, it's just

447
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:31,760
» Yeah, it's taking me about 30 times
longer to do the act 250 permit than

448
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,640
it'll take the contractor to do the
work.

449
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:41,760
» It's ridiculous.
>> Okay. Um

450
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:46,960
and for these uh two library grants,
do you know when those uh they received

451
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,480
those or received the notification of
award?

452
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:55,119
» I don't recall.
>> Okay. It's been a while though maybe.

453
00:39:52,160 --> 00:40:00,560
» Oh yes. All those have been
>> were um issued quite some time ago.

454
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:04,160
» Okay. Okay.
Got it.

455
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:12,359
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes. Uh I have a question for Carl and

456
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,359
and null sitting.

457
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,720
» What's that?

458
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:28,160
» This has to do with the mumlay's
engineering for the industrial park. Uh

459
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:33,040
daylands surveying flagging staking for
tree clearing. Were you with them when

460
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:36,880
they did that?
How long do you think it would take to

461
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,640
do that?
>> Can't estimate the entries. They were

462
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:45,359
looking at
>> $2500 seems like a lot of money.

463
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:52,720
» So, what they were actually doing is
marking the ride of way

464
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:58,960
uh for the road and the utilities on
those two roads

465
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:04,480
and also the outline of the storm water
lot. days

466
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:10,240
of surveying didn't actually mark trees.
Uh the Vermont Land Trust came in and

467
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,640
marked trees that that they are
interested in.

468
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:20,400
» But on the invoice, it does say dayland
surveying with an invoice flagging

469
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:24,079
staking for tree clearing $2,500.
>> Right. They were That's right. They were

470
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,000
They're getting that
um

471
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:32,000
» in the area it's going to be cleared.
>> Right. I get it.

472
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:37,920
Seeing you kind of qualified it to at
first blush looking at this it looks

473
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:39,599
like a tremendous they were trees taking
some trees.

474
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,520
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

475
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:47,520
» Thank you.
>> So do we have anything for Homes Meadow

476
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,280
or are we on to the industrial park?
We're holding on change order four. I

477
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,119
think we're good with Homes Meadow.
>> Yes.

478
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:58,960
» There's no action tonight, Mr. Chairman.
>> On the industrial park. I think there

479
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:05,280
may be
>> right.

480
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:11,720
So on um the industrial park um let's
deal with Lumley's

481
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,720
contract first.

482
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,280
That's um

483
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:21,400
what did I do? Was it I

484
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:30,480
» so Mumley's contract there are two
matters.

485
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:38,560
Um
first is the approval of the extension

486
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:45,760
for a revision to their original
contract. It was background. The first

487
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:52,000
contract with Mumley was done in 2023,
I think actually to help the town get

488
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:59,839
the NBRC grant
uh prepared and then to start the

489
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:06,160
engineering of the project there.
Then in about October of 24,

490
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:12,079
it was decided that revisions needed to
be made and meetings were being held.

491
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:21,040
And then on December 16th
of 24, it was presented to the select

492
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:27,200
board and the um select board voted to
approve the revisions and authorized

493
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,720
somebody to sign it. I forget right now
what the Venet said if it was town

494
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:36,000
administrator and chairman or just the
town administrator.

495
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:40,720
But apparently that document never got
passed around and got fully signed. I'

496
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:46,800
I've searched everywhere. I've talked to
people. Nobody seems to have a complete

497
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:53,599
signature. So our request tonight is
that the the board vote to affirm that

498
00:43:49,520 --> 00:44:01,240
action from December 16th of 2024
to approve the revision dated December

499
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,240
11th, 2024.

500
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:13,680
And then the second item regarding
Mumley's contract is a change order

501
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:19,720
for the work done on the
Highland Heights

502
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,720
sewer pump station.

503
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:29,599
So waste water from the industrial park
will go under Route 15 and go to the

504
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:34,880
pump station at Highland Heights. Mhm.
>> It was concern about its capacity to

505
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:40,480
handle the additional flow that might
come from the industrial park.

506
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:46,640
Going back to those um originals
December 1624 meeting minutes

507
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:54,000
um it was reported that there was a
meeting that day of of staff people

508
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:58,480
where this was among other things with
having to do with the village's

509
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:02,160
utilities was discussed and it those
minutes mentioned that one of the

510
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:09,520
possibilities was there was going to
need to be a $50,000

511
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:14,079
emergency power generator located there.
Um,

512
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:22,319
Mumley started working on the analysis
of that pump station and your January

513
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:28,079
20th, 2025 select board minutes
mentioned that they were um, Mumley was

514
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,800
working on that and then shortly after
Mumley submitted two invoices

515
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:37,520
which the select board voted to approve
on April 21st.

516
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:43,599
But at that time it was noted that that
work was beyond the scope of services

517
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:49,359
which it is that original
um scope of services that I mentioned

518
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:56,400
before specifically excludes from the
amount of money being charged to work on

519
00:45:53,040 --> 00:46:01,359
water and the sewer systems.
Um,

520
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:06,560
so you did receive two invoices and you
voted to have them paid and they were

521
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:10,960
paid and Mumley held the third invoice
for $585. They've never submitted that

522
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:17,760
yet.
So the total the three invoices together

523
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:22,720
would come to $1,965.
And it I would suggest that you approve

524
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:27,920
a change order with Mumley in that
amount for those three invoices for the

525
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:34,960
work they did analyzing that pump
station and then recommending a solution

526
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:43,560
which the village has accepted and it's
what the the plans are being based on

527
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,560
right now. So, their work was very costb

528
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,200
$45,000,
>> give or take.

529
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:54,640
» Give or take.
>> You want to make a motion?

530
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:59,200
» Be happy to make a motion. Um, you want
two separate motions.

531
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:03,680
» Pretty much just need to approve a
change order, right? Uh, one motion to

532
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,520
approve the change order and then one
motion, if you would please, to affirm

533
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:14,400
your
board decision from December 1624.

534
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:19,920
I'll take them in order. Uh, move to
reaffirm the select board's vote on

535
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:24,880
December 16, 2024 to approve the Mumley
Engineering Industrial Park engineering

536
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:29,359
services agreement revision dated
December 11th, 2024.

537
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,359
I have to authorize the county
administrator or John Ser.

538
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,960
» I'll second.
>> Motion second. Further discussion.

539
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:40,000
» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

540
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:45,119
» I.
>> All those opposed.

541
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:48,079
» The eyes have it.
>> Um,

542
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,480
» who wants the second one?
>> You're on a roll.

543
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,079
» I'm on a roll. Okay.
>> She doesn't want to steal. Uh move to

544
00:47:53,359 --> 00:48:00,800
approve a change order in the amount of
$1,965

545
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:07,520
to cover Mumley's analysis of the pump
station and suggestion to address the

546
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,280
concern about its capacity.
So

547
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:15,520
» second
>> motion a second. Further discussion

548
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,079
all those in favor signify by saying I.
I.

549
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:21,640
» All those opposed. And
>> the eyes have it.

550
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,880
I don't know what you're looking
>> that's from an agenda packet you're

551
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,200
you're reading that from.
>> Uh, yep.

552
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,160
» Okay.
>> It's right here.

553
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:39,839
» Then um I also sent you an email. I'm
sorry, a memo regarding the industrial

554
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:43,440
park. Yeah. With some documents and
>> this has to do with the ease gates.

555
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:49,280
» You're looking for the motion for the
easements,

556
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:55,680
» right? So, um, there's a conservation
easement for the deer wintering area

557
00:48:52,240 --> 00:49:02,880
over the Prindle lot
and work on that conservation easement

558
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:10,960
is still in progress, although in the
copy that I did receive from David Brew,

559
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:16,400
the attorney working on it now, um, does
show me that, um, they've made some

560
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:22,880
changes it um since the original was
sent out by Fish and Wildlife.

561
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:30,400
Um but it's still not complete. But to
get things moving along, he suggests

562
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:36,240
that you adopt that motion to authorize
the advertising

563
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:42,079
of the um conveyance of that
conservation easement.

564
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:47,760
and I provided you with or I sent you an
email uh with his suggested motion cut

565
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:52,160
and pasted into that email. You should
have that. There's actually two of them.

566
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:57,839
» Yes, there actually is. There's a motion
for each of the two notices, one for the

567
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,880
deer wintering and one for the prime
soils.

568
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:04,680
» There are two different town lots. Who
wants to take this one?

569
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,800
Uh
well I don't have the language from

570
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:16,000
» I move to approve the notice of sale of
municipal real estate and conveyance of

571
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:20,800
grant
of a grant of development rights and

572
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:27,119
conservation restrictions to the state
agency of natural resources on the

573
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:31,520
town's 25.1 acre so-called fender lot
subject to final review and approval by

574
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:36,400
the town's attorney to mitigate the
impact of the town's industrial park

575
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:41,119
project on deer wintering habitat as
part of act 250 permit for said project

576
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:45,760
and to authorize this is where it gets
weird select for chair Eban patch or

577
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:51,359
town administrator John Sutherland to
execute the notice

578
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:57,599
grant and any other instruments
necessary

579
00:50:53,599 --> 00:51:02,440
or advisable for issuance of the act 50
permit and closing on the grant

580
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,720
Did an attorney write that or what?
>> That's a motion.

581
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,680
» Second.
>> All right.

582
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:18,480
Anybody else want to make a comment?
We're not actually selling the lot for

583
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,800
anybody that's listening to this. All
those in favor signify by saying I.

584
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,280
» I.
>> All those opposed.

585
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:34,720
The eyes have it.
>> The next one is in regards to the go

586
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:41,520
lot. um in regard prime a soils and
so just um

587
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:47,280
this week I learned some things that I
need to explain to you um make sure that

588
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:56,079
you're aware of it. So on the second
page of that memo from February 13th

589
00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:04,640
um towards the top I say that Johnson
would need to set aside 5.2 2 acres of

590
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:09,920
prime egg soils. Um however um
setting aside 5.2 acres on the goal lot

591
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:14,160
would require an expensive survey and
previously the board had said let's

592
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:22,839
avoid the cost of the survey. It'd be
cheaper to pay the mitigation fee of the

593
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,839
balance needed 85 of an acre.

594
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:31,359
Until this week, nothing had really been
said to me about 6.1 acres. I just

595
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:37,599
assumed that when they were talking
about there's the

596
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,440
4.35 acres there that are easily
identifiable, that was all the area

597
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:48,480
between the road and the stream and the
pond. As it turns out, that's not the

598
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:53,920
case. There's 6.1 acres between the road
and the stream and the pond which are

599
00:52:50,400 --> 00:53:01,839
easily describable and you don't need a
survey to describe.

600
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:07,920
And apparently between this the state a
a agency of agriculture and the attorney

601
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:14,160
they've concluded that
they're going to have to ex have you

602
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:21,200
issue that declaration of covenant on
the entire 6.1 acres

603
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:25,599
and you still avoid having to do a
survey.

604
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,119
And
considering what the purpose of the goal

605
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,160
lot is, I don't know that makes any
difference. I don't know you have any

606
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:38,400
plans to go develop any part of that
property there. So I don't think it

607
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,520
makes any any difference.
>> 4 acres of

608
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,000
» especially not point4 acres of it.
That's the difference.

609
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,240
» So do we not have to pay the difference?
Now,

610
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:51,760
» you still have to pay the difference
because that difference between the 4.35

611
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:57,599
that you needed or that's there in Prime
soils and the 6.1 that they're not prime

612
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:03,920
soil. So, you still have to pay that
mitigation fee of roughly $3,200.

613
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,920
» You want to make the mot
>> Oh, yeah. It's a

614
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:14,960
» It's a bad That's what it is.
>> You want to make the motion, somebody?

615
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,960
Sure. Sure. This never ends.

616
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,319
You ready to do it? You're going to do
it.

617
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:24,240
» Go ahead, Paul.
>> Motion to approve the notice of sale of

618
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:28,319
municipal real estate and conveyance of
a declaration of restrictive covenant in

619
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:34,800
favor of the Vermont Agency of
Agriculture and Vermont Land Use Review

620
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:41,040
Board on a 4.35
>> 6.1.

621
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:50,040
» Um, no, I think he wrote that the way
that he wants it. Okay.

622
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,040
So, it says 4.35, not 6.1 acres.

623
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:56,720
» Okay. Let's say 6.1. That way, it's
covered. If it turns out to be less than

624
00:54:54,319 --> 00:55:02,720
» Yeah. when
so on a plus or minus 6.1 acre portion

625
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:06,640
of the town's so-called GMA lot subject
to final review and approval by the

626
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:11,920
town's attorney to mitigate the impact
of the town's industrial park project

627
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:17,839
and development of the plus or minus 2.6
six acres of prime agricultural soils

628
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:23,040
and to authorize the select board chair
Evan Patch or town administrator Don

629
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:27,440
Sland to execute the notice declaration
and any other instruments necessary or

630
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:32,480
advisable for issuance of the act 250
permit and reporting of the declaration.

631
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,480
» There's a motion. Is there a second?
>> Yes.

632
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:42,680
» Further discussion? Uh
>> couple questions.

633
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Um,

634
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:53,440
it talks about uh making sure it's paid
and brushhoged every two years. How do

635
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:59,000
how do we keep track of that and know
that somebody needs to do it and who

636
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:59,000
does it?

637
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:10,480
» Okay. Um, and what does it mean right to
farm? A right to farm covenants.

638
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Um,
I think that that's something that um

639
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:22,559
needs to be indeed so that future owners
know that that's the case and including

640
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:27,359
if you did subdivide that there could be
farming activity on the other parcel

641
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:33,040
where this prime soil is in the
covenant.

642
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:40,240
So it means that some subsequent owner
the current owner or subsequent owner

643
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:46,000
has a right to farm that and right and
that the neighbors if if you were to

644
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:53,440
let's say subdivide the goal lot
>> and the part that's not subject to the

645
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:57,440
declaration of covenant that those
people would be aware that there could

646
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:02,240
be farming activity
>> on the part that's the cup and an auto.

647
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,200
» Good.
>> Thank you.

648
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,079
» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

649
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:10,400
» I.
>> All those opposed.

650
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:16,319
» The eyes have it.
>> And last issues for the industrial park,

651
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:24,799
the tree removal.
So our deadline for getting the trees

652
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:29,920
down is April 14th.
And

653
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:36,960
during the winter
um we were um in

654
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:43,920
contacted by the agency of
transportation and their uh partner in

655
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:49,920
the project of the Vermont Land Trust
about their need for some I'll call them

656
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:55,920
whole trees. So, a
length of about 25 ft of tree trunk with

657
00:57:52,400 --> 00:58:02,400
the root ball attached.
Uh, they have seemed to be interested in

658
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:09,839
this as I indicated before. They've gone
so far as to go out there and bark trees

659
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:18,720
that they want. And uh they told me that
there was 113 trees and about 75% of

660
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:23,359
that number are in the town's work area.
So the area the town needs to get

661
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:28,079
cleared
um so that you can do the road and

662
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:32,440
utility work and and put in the storm
water treatment area.

663
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:42,960
um a local contractor logger is
interested in doing that work for the

664
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:48,960
town and has been helpful providing some
insights and kind of cost estimate

665
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:54,079
just so everybody gets an idea what this
is might cost.

666
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:59,599
Um
I have been providing the information to

667
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:05,200
AOT and BLT that they've asked for. I
con I sent an email today to ask if

668
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:09,119
they've got any reaction, anything that
I could relay tonight and hear back from

669
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:17,119
them.
So my questions for the select board um

670
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:23,839
are first um shall we continue the
discussions with AOT and and Vermont

671
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:31,119
Land Trust or do you just want to try
doing this on our own?

672
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:37,839
Second question is
um do you approve of the idea of not

673
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:44,160
planning to have this work reimbursed by
the NBRC grant? And as stated in the

674
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:52,319
memo,
um those bidding in contracting

675
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:57,920
requirements can be ownorous
and they would take would take more time

676
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:03,680
to prepare the specifications.
if the the target audience, you know,

677
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:10,559
the contractors that we think would be
interested in doing that kind of work

678
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:15,760
saw that red tape, they might they might
not even want to bid.

679
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:22,160
Um, that's my feeling. And then Pat
Ripley um agreed and I provided a a

680
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:27,359
statement from the email he sent in the
memo there that he agrees that the town

681
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:32,079
would be better served avoiding the NBCR
NBRC procurement requirements in this

682
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:37,920
case.
Um and so I want to know if you are okay

683
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:48,000
with that. And then third
is about um proceeding with the bidding.

684
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:54,559
Um, we could start writing bidding
specifications

685
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:59,119
with two options. Option one being
contractor is going to provide a price

686
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:04,559
just to clear the area that the town
needs to have cleared for the road and

687
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:10,000
the utilities and the storm water pond.
And then the other option would be to

688
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:14,720
pull or harvest the trees marked by
Vermont Land Trust and give three

689
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:19,040
prices.
A price for pulling the trees that are

690
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:25,760
marked in the town's road and storm
water area.

691
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:30,240
Then a price for cutting or removing all
the remaining trees.

692
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:35,520
And then the third price would be for
pulling the roughly 30 trees or so that

693
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,599
are on building lots.
That way we would have a breakdown. So

694
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:45,040
we could say to the state, this is what
you owe the town for this. And my

695
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:52,760
example that they would have the state
would owe the town for the price for

696
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:52,760
work A and C.

697
01:01:53,040 --> 01:02:02,480
So by using the two options approach, we
could get this going and if AOT that

698
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,559
says, "Oh, you know, we're not
interested or you don't like the prices

699
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:12,000
that come in with option two, we could
just go with option one at least." And

700
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:16,319
then you would have the the prices.
>> Would you have three options instead of

701
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:23,040
just two or just have trees regardless
of where they are in that cutting?

702
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:30,160
Yeah, I I was thinking to break it down
by the area that the town needs to have

703
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:34,799
cleared. So, and what trees would be
pulled or harvested from

704
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,720
» state's going to pay for it anyway.
>> But if they're pulling, the state's

705
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,760
going to pay for it.
>> State's going to pay for it. That's why

706
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:45,440
that would be the pulling of those trees
would be one item and then cutting

707
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:51,599
everything else would be the second item
which the town would pay for. And then

708
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:56,240
the third was pulling roughly 30 trees
or so that are on the building lots.

709
01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:01,119
» That's why one and three aren't
together.

710
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:08,799
» Um just in case. But we do we need to
have those trees in the work area

711
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:12,480
removed. So maybe the state says, um,
well, we'll just have those pulled in

712
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:16,799
your work area and forget those others.
>> Okay. Got it.

713
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:20,559
And then if that's the case and the town
doesn't care, the town doesn't need to

714
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:25,039
have those trees removed.
>> Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.

715
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:31,839
» It's remarkable that anything is done in
this thing. Really, it is maddening.

716
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:37,039
Years ago, they had just gone in there
and clearcut the place and built a

717
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:45,359
place. We have been working on this for
like 15 years, this whole project. And

718
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:48,960
it just goes on and on and on.
It is just wears you down.

719
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,520
» Yes, sir.
>> It's just crazy.

720
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,680
» Is the board okay with Carl's
recommended bidding approach? Do you

721
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:02,480
need a motion for that?
>> I don't need a motion, I guess. Um,

722
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:07,039
» I have a question, Carl. Your first
question was, shall we proceed with

723
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:10,680
conversations with AOT and PLT? Is there
any reason not to?

724
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:20,319
At some point we have to tell them we've
got to move. We've we've got to get this

725
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:23,680
out to bid, which we could do still
without having a clear answer from them.

726
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,839
But some point we're going to have to
say this is that we've got to award a

727
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:33,680
contract or somebody so that the
contractor can start work and get the

728
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:36,160
trees down by the 14th of April.
>> Yep.

729
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:42,799
» I would tell them we need an answer
pretty soon.

730
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:47,039
and we've talked about that. They have
they've acknowledged time is of the

731
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:52,319
essence. Um
so I I gather now since the information

732
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:58,880
that I've been supplying that they're
trying to figure out if this is a

733
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:04,359
a from a cost standpoint a good way for
them to proceed with getting the trees

734
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,359
that they need.

735
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:12,640
» Okay.
Do we all want to proceed with

736
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:19,280
Vermont land trust in AOT if it works
out? If not,

737
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:25,039
well, or just cut everything down.
>> Don't need to pull a thing then.

738
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:29,839
» I'll second that one. Stinking tree
down. Act like

739
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:33,920
» and you're okay with doing it, as I
said, on the town's dime and not seeking

740
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:36,960
the grant reimbursement
>> for not pulling them. That' be a lot

741
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:40,480
cheaper, right?
Oh yes. Yes.

742
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:44,520
» I don't think timewise we have enough
time personally to

743
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,200
» Okay.
>> Are you good with that?

744
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:53,440
» Get it over with the quickest way we
can.

745
01:05:50,319 --> 01:06:00,000
» Sounds like you got a yes from all five.
>> Okay, then. Um I'll get started on

746
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:04,880
drafting the bidding specifications.
>> Okay. Thank you for reading through all

747
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:09,359
these and making it so clear. H
>> thank you for waiting through all this

748
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:15,640
stuff and making it so clear.
>> Somebody asked if they made it so

749
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,640
difficult on purp

750
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:27,119
initial these copies of notice for your
information. Um

751
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,720
» sorry if I initial it's the notices that
the board

752
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:34,400
» Yeah. But where would I initial?
>> Oh by your name down there sign.

753
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:42,880
I have to initial
>> the S means uh sign by epic patch.

754
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:48,559
So that's what I'll send
>> to the newspaper tomorrow.

755
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:52,960
» Yeah, but I need this, right?
>> Just

756
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:57,799
for the record.
>> You're going to make the newspaper. Uh

757
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:04,440
» so yeah I'll send these to the newspaper
tomorrow for publication next

758
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:12,400
posted in three places at sound and that
is in the process it will be completed.

759
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:17,760
» Okay.
>> Thank you very much.

760
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,319
Next up, beautifification.
>> Question for Carla

761
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:30,319
» related to item 15 on the agenda, job
description for community economic

762
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,319
development specialist. Have you seen
the draft?

763
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,000
» Carl,
>> he has not.

764
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:37,440
» No, he has not.
>> No.

765
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:42,160
» Um,
present it to the board, get their input

766
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,200
on it, review.
>> Okay. I'll be interested.

767
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:50,559
» Today's the first time I've seen Carl in
a while and even it was really busy.

768
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:56,640
» Yeah, that's that's fine. I'll be
interested in in your thoughts.

769
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:58,400
» Okay. Yeah, let me
>> Okay. All right.

770
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,400
» Thank you.
>> Beautif

771
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:08,000
us.
>> What

772
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:12,000
is what really us?
I mean, the way I read it was

773
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:16,719
» it's for um letting the beautifification
committee apply for the grant.

774
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:18,560
» Oh, but it's not on a town property,
>> right?

775
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,960
» It's just a town committee.
>> Yep.

776
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:25,839
» Yeah. I got a
>> what?

777
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:29,920
» Um for doing a mosaic project at the
village Cold Spring.

778
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,319
» Well, the V village hasn't approved it
yet.

779
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:36,640
» They have.
>> They've approved it the other night.

780
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:40,400
» Yeah.
The beautifification committee does a

781
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:46,159
great job at communicating the village.
I think they're just asking for I Oh, I

782
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:52,000
was looking for the paper
and the amount is $15,000

783
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:55,199
with no match from the town.
>> Yep.

784
01:08:52,560 --> 01:09:00,719
» They may use some of their budget to
fund a small part of it.

785
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:04,640
» So, they got the whatever they put on
that and they approved it.

786
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:08,799
» What? What' you say? Last I knew, they
were waiting to see what was going to

787
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:14,560
actually go on it and it was
>> they met with the artist and the artist

788
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:18,120
showed examples of what it will be and
they approved it.

789
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:26,400
» It's from the Vermont Arts Council. The
name of the grant is the animating

790
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:31,600
infrastructures.
>> How's the board feel?

791
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:37,279
» I think it's a wonderful idea and
totally behind it.

792
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,679
Motion to uh support the
beautifification committee on their

793
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:47,520
grant application.
>> Motion to support the beautifification

794
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:56,000
committee on their grant application for
a mosaic at the whole spring

795
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:58,960
» pending village approval that they
already

796
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,239
» Yeah, they approved it.
>> All right, there's a motion. Is there a

797
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:06,640
second? Second
>> further discussion.

798
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:11,920
» Yeah, I had one
comment. I can't find where it was.

799
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:16,239
Somewhere in this
um

800
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:18,880
it describes a cold spring as a source
of drinking water. I don't think we

801
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:22,880
should say that because it's not
>> Oh, it does a

802
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:26,800
» approved drinking water. So,
>> where do you see that?

803
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:31,040
» I don't know. Yeah.
>> Under project summary, the Johnson Cold

804
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:34,239
Spring, the ritual in institution that
provides drinking and non-drinking water

805
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:35,920
for Johnson residents in surrounding
communities.

806
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,880
» Should not say drinking.
>> Okay, I'll have them struck just

807
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:43,280
non-drinking water.
>> I'll have them take that out. I think

808
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:46,920
the Yeah, we hope we'll take that out.
>> Okay, thank you.

809
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:56,159
» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I Good question. So, the villages

810
01:10:54,159 --> 01:11:01,679
approved what it's going to look like
already or has it just been approved and

811
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,520
» Well, no. What what they what they
agreed to was that it's okay for the

812
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:11,040
beautifification committee to go ahead
and apply for the grant and they're okay

813
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:14,880
with it in concept, but they want to get
more information about what it actually

814
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,520
is going to look like before they
actually give permission to go and put

815
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:20,640
the thing there.
>> Okay, good. That's what I thought. I

816
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:24,080
read that in the minutes and you were
saying something Well, I thought they

817
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,880
gave like stipulations on what they
don't want there.

818
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:30,159
» They they talked some about what they
didn't want, but but they they I think

819
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:34,239
they made it pretty clear that they're
saying, "Yeah, go ahead and apply for

820
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:38,239
the grant. We're okay as a concept, but
we're not giving final approval until we

821
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:43,360
have more information about what
>> Yeah, I think that will what I was

822
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:48,880
relayed at the last beautifification
committee meeting was that it's going to

823
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:53,120
be mostly u abstract art and um
community members will come and like

824
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:57,040
bring like plates or tiles or things and
it'll be like interactive.

825
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:00,480
» Yeah. and and it sounds like they're
fine with that. That's really what it

826
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:04,800
is. But
>> what they they just want to be more

827
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:09,120
authority or they actually and and
they're concerned about um how it's

828
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:12,080
going to be applied. A couple of the
board members are are concerned about

829
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:16,000
that. They want more information about
the plans for is it going to be applied

830
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:18,800
directly to the concrete or is it going
to be on some kind of backing?

831
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:22,880
» I think the artist said it would be on a
backing, right? That's what I was

832
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:28,080
» She was open to that. I sounded like she
wanted to get to the side first and and

833
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:32,159
work with the village on figuring out
exactly what's going

834
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:37,520
» there was some questions about whether
people could get cut or something on the

835
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:42,159
shards or something that would be used
for the art as I recall. But thank you

836
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,960
very much governor for clarifying that
it hasn't been engraved in stone what

837
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,560
it's going to be.
>> But I don't think there's going to be

838
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:51,520
Well, I don't know
>> what the minute said.

839
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:55,120
» Sure. They should be fine with
>> I don't think there's going to I might

840
01:12:53,679 --> 01:13:00,880
be wrong, but I don't think that there's
going to be like a set design. I think

841
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:05,280
it's going to be like created there like
in the moment, but I could be wrong.

842
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,640
» Yeah. But but but they they haven't they
haven't actually drawn some bars to say,

843
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:12,320
"Yeah, go out there and whenever you're
ready, put the thing up. You know, we've

844
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:15,120
given you final permission before we get
to that stage." They're going to want to

845
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,960
hear more about
>> Yeah.

846
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:20,640
» what it's going to look like and what
the plan is.

847
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,960
» Oh, cool.
Hey, I apologize. Yeah, what Donna said,

848
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:29,040
this is Sorry, this is BJ. What Donna
says is exactly what happened during our

849
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:33,440
meeting.
>> Okay.

850
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:36,719
» Either way, we just need to approve the
grant so money can flow.

851
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:41,120
» I didn't even say that. We're approving.
>> It's not happening on our property.

852
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:46,640
We're approving Rosemary receiving money
and writing the check to wherever it

853
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:52,719
goes.
>> Okay.

854
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:56,239
» Whatever. I mean the village problem.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

855
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:00,480
» I. I.
>> All those opposed. The eyes have it.

856
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:07,760
Okay.
Clear as mud. Review and consider

857
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:11,719
the skate park RFP. I would assume
that's what Casey's here for.

858
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:21,440
» Casey and I have been working on a uh um
RFP for Escape Park improvements. Um

859
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:27,520
we've worked back and forth. We have a
uh concept there that u we'd like to put

860
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:31,080
out and move forward and go out to bid
uh for the project.

861
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,320
Now, did you find out if we need the act
250?

862
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:41,679
» I haven't heard back.
>> Heard back. Okay. So, she's working on

863
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,199
that. We got a couple sketches
for what what the design's going to be.

864
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:56,760
And the sketches
Casey,

865
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:11,040
» the sketches were provided by
>> Pierre Hall of uh science. I was biased

866
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:15,920
to come up here.
um

867
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:21,560
uh Vermont skate park advocates uh did
the design while we were working with

868
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,560
FEMA

869
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,440
board
>> and with a lot of um community input I

870
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:32,239
would say too
>> do any board members

871
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:38,239
» a lot for a lot for us
>> questions about the RFP

872
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:42,880
things they'd like amended or no further
questions

873
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:48,719
Page one, item two, concrete site work
and whatnot. Uh, two three, third

874
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:53,840
paragraph. Material for BMS can be
harvested from the central meadow. Do we

875
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:57,440
want to say must be would you want? We
don't want material provided.

876
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,120
» I'm not I'm sorry I don't understand the
question.

877
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:04,080
» Sorry.
>> That's okay. I the performing the

878
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:09,040
humming of the lights. Third paragraph
says material for burns can be harvested

879
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,840
from the central metal located within
the park.

880
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:16,960
» Right?
>> Do we want to say must be or should be?

881
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:21,120
We don't want material brought in from
elsewhere.

882
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:23,199
» If if it's available and there why I
mean

883
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,719
» point being we don't want material
brought in from elsewhere into the flood

884
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:31,920
plane.
So we want to harvest material that's

885
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:36,320
there and just move it around.
Paul's saying, should we change the

886
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:40,320
language to must be instead of leaving
it up to their discretion?

887
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:44,239
» I mean,
>> where else somewhere else is to put

888
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,920
material should not be brought into the
flood lane.

889
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:49,280
» Um,
>> without offsetting it.

890
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:56,960
» I see I'm hearing it. I'm understanding
this two ways. So, I guess bear with me.

891
01:16:53,040 --> 01:17:02,800
Um the central meadow is where we sort
of want to remove material anyway as I

892
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:08,640
understand it with sort of long-term
flood resilience plans anyway. So that's

893
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,600
the deal. That's ideal.
>> Um

894
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:15,920
» this says can be harvested from there.
I'm saying it should say must be

895
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:20,320
» take it from there. That's where we want
him to take it from.

896
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:23,120
» I I I What do you think? I No problem. I
guess

897
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:30,560
» I got an issue. I mean, not knowing what
the material on site is, uh,

898
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:36,640
you know, there's if there was
if the material wasn't uh uh usable for

899
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,760
the project, then the contractor would
have the idea would have the option to

900
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,159
bring in,
>> right? My concern would be if they bring

901
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,159
in material from elsewhere, you're
bringing material into the flood plane,

902
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:50,159
then you got to offset that. That's just
>> so

903
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:58,239
here's what I think might be the
solution is that um yeah say you know

904
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:04,719
that okay they want to use that material
uh for the BMS so it has to be

905
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:09,840
compactable and da da if kind of
following your thought if you start a

906
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:17,600
digging and it's like oh this is too
sandy or oh we're running in now we're

907
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:22,080
running old uh weird weird buried things
from the former homes.

908
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:30,159
» I I don't I I guess I wouldn't want to
lock the contractor into only using the

909
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:34,800
meadow if they found that they had to
get material from somewhere else for

910
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:40,719
reasons that we can't
anticipate right now. Um and but this

911
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:46,640
the more important thing is is um I
would imagine the contractor

912
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:52,880
uh would be amendable to working with us
if we had to move away from gathering

913
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:56,719
everything from the from the meadow. I
mean that's the most economical thing

914
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:58,960
for them. They would want
>> Yeah, I'm not quite that. It would be,

915
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:04,560
but I
>> Yeah, I guess. So, I I guess I wouldn't

916
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:09,280
want to lock them in to say it must only
be from the meadow.

917
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:15,040
» I'm saying paragraph be added somewhere
that says if you bring a, you know,

918
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:19,760
material into this site, some material
needs to be moved from the central

919
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,800
meadow to offset cubic yard for cubic
yard.

920
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,080
» Yeah.
>> Sure.

921
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,120
» Yeah, we can make that change.
>> All right. Well, yeah, but that's that's

922
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:28,080
part of would be part of the terms of
the flood permit anyway,

923
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,239
» but it
>> Yeah,

924
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:33,440
» I think Paul was just asking if they can
be part of the RFP so it's clear up

925
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:37,280
front.
>> Any other questions, Paul?

926
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:43,120
» That was an excellent question.
>> The only other question I had is with

927
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:46,880
insurance and we're asking for
I don't know certificate of insurance,

928
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,960
joint liability. Are we asking for any
specific limits?

929
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,080
whatever they whatever they have is good
enough for us.

930
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:57,440
» Well, usually your your contractor would
have,

931
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,400
» you know, whatever amounts uh they're
comfortable working with. Um, you know,

932
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:05,360
if the board wanted uh to set those
terms, that would be up to the board.

933
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:08,800
But I mean, just making sure that
they've got general liability insurance

934
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:12,080
to cover in case something happens.
>> Yes.

935
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,760
» Million dollars.
>> What have we had in other contracts? Is

936
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:22,360
it is it customary just leave it blank?
Like you have liability. We don't care

937
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,360
how much it is. Seems kind of weak.

938
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:32,520
» We could force them to bond.
>> Not in favor of that.

939
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:32,520
library bond.

940
01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:40,640
» That's a bigger project, too.
>> That meets state of Vermont standards.

941
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:45,120
» This does.
>> Okay.

942
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:51,280
» That works. Do is it normal for past
contracts to not specify liability

943
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:54,520
insurance amounts?
>> Think so.

944
01:20:55,199 --> 01:21:02,440
» Okay. I think that agreement, but I'm if
that's our norm, I'm okay with it.

945
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:09,520
Um
I I just looked up the RFP for the

946
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:13,360
library foundation.
It said maintain general liability

947
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:18,840
insurance
>> but no specified amount.

948
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,840
» No specified amount.

949
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:23,239
» Okay.

950
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:33,320
» So being that we asked for an audition,
is the board okay approving with the

951
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,320
audition?

952
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:41,520
Okay. You know, as amen discussed
tonight,

953
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:45,199
» basically the only addition is clearly
stating if you bring material in, you

954
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:49,280
bring the same amount out.
>> Yes.

955
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:56,159
» And I you might want to talk to Jason's
able to use the old town pit as

956
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:59,520
location for the out.
>> Yeah, that doesn't mean here. Okay.

957
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:05,199
Probably not.
>> Um I had one question for the permitting

958
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:09,920
bullet point. The sentence says, "If
required for town and county flood

959
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:15,760
resilience planning, the contractor will
track track as built information on

960
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:22,000
volumes of dirt moved and concrete
poured."

961
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:24,400
Um, if required for town like like our
planning commission or like what does

962
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,600
that mean?
>> Flood plane building regulation.

963
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,480
» Yes.
>> Oh, okay. Okay.

964
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,280
» That's another thing we didn't think
about. You're bringing in yardage of

965
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,719
concrete anyways.
>> Yeah. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that

966
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:42,000
cuz I wrote this should be required. I
think we should have them

967
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:45,520
track asbuilt information
>> to have what permission.

968
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,800
» I think we should have the contractor
track asbuilt information on the volumes

969
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:54,239
of dirt move.
>> Oh yeah, I I I do too.

970
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:57,440
» It says in here if I think and I agree.
I think it should just say

971
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:05,120
» it's required
>> if this is at top of

972
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:09,719
» right above 3.0. Oh, okay.
3.0.

973
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,719
» I got a motion.

974
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:15,920
» Yeah, apparently not.
>> I think that's a good one. Thanks,

975
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:22,199
Adrian.
>> Yeah, I thought they would.

976
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:22,199
Okay,

977
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:34,000
» I'll make I make a motion to
approve the skate park improvements and

978
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:40,320
renovation project RFP
um with the

979
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:44,239
the amendments we discussed after that.
Yeah,

980
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:48,880
» that's solid. Move in a second. Further
discussion.

981
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:50,239
All those fa in favor signify by saying
I.

982
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:55,520
» I.
>> All those opposed and the eyes have it.

983
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,719
Can I take a quick poll of the audience?
Is anybody here to talk about town

984
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:02,639
meeting planning?
>> Probably not.

985
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:07,600
» Is the board okay if we kind of shift
our only things down towards the bottom.

986
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:13,920
Mhm.
>> You know, town meeting planning

987
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:18,440
can go towards the bottom,
which would leave our next item up as

988
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,400
» huh.
>> I would leave our next item as emerald

989
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:28,600
ashbor
trunk injection treatment.

990
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:36,639
» Don, you want to take this one?
Somebody?

991
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:40,080
» Yeah. Sue Lubin came in. um brought me
an an invoice and I talked to Rosemary

992
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,080
about it. She said, "This is something
that we do every year

993
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,920
and I asked her for a little more
information and she sent me a follow-up

994
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:52,400
that there are eight ash trees in the
old mill park and they're the only trees

995
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:56,719
there. That field is composed of a cap
over tailings from the former telm mill.

996
01:24:54,960 --> 01:25:00,159
The state forbids breaking the ground
there, so we can't plant any more trees.

997
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:04,080
That being the case, the tree board
feels it's important that we save those

998
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,840
ash trees from the emerald ash boore
which has been found in Belvverier and

999
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,840
Stow. The rule of thumb with the ashbor
is that trees to be saved within 15 mi

1000
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:15,679
of an infestation should be
systematically treated. Waiting until

1001
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:19,600
the tree is already infested is almost
always too late. Treatment is done every

1002
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:25,520
two years and is priced by the diameter
of the tree. Sadly, it's a matter of

1003
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:29,360
time before the EAB gets to Johnson. The
good news is Johnson has no ash in the

1004
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:33,280
village rightaways and the road crew has
been proactive removing it on some town

1005
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:37,520
roads. For your information, I volunteer
with the urban committee and forest

1006
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:43,120
street as a forest pest first detector.
So anyone wanting info on the emerald

1007
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:46,320
ashbor Asian longhorn etc can call me. I
won't be at the select board meeting on

1008
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:50,560
the 19th as I have conservation. Thank
you. So she's requesting

1009
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:58,960
» she's here.
>> Just said she wasn't going to be here.

1010
01:25:54,800 --> 01:26:03,360
Uh, does the board want to approve the
expense that's in front of us, which is

1011
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:06,360
four
$1,026.

1012
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,280
» There's a discount.
>> 975.

1013
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,280
» 974. Yeah, but I think we're after the
period of the discount.

1014
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,800
» Oh, man.
>> Oh, it's a prepaid discount

1015
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:21,280
» by four days.
>> What the heck?

1016
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,320
» Where? What? What? Why am I missing
that?

1017
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,480
» Discount. I've got a question for Sue.
>> No, I suppose I guess it's the office.

1018
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,679
But
>> Mr. Chairman,

1019
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:33,920
» sure.
>> This the only type of treatment they can

1020
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:38,159
use. I I look at this stuff. It's called
a drench.

1021
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:40,800
It appears that if you can pour at the
base of the tree,

1022
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:44,960
» very ineffective.
>> Ineffective.

1023
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:50,159
» You really want to save tree without
touching is injected.

1024
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:56,480
And it can only be done by licensed
pesticide. Yeah, we talked about this

1025
01:26:52,560 --> 01:27:00,000
before. Uh, and did you ever get back to
me on that class so I could go do it

1026
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,520
myself?
>> I did. I saw the email I sent you the

1027
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:08,639
other day.
>> Well, when does it have to be done?

1028
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:11,840
» The treatment to the tree,
>> right?

1029
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,199
» It has to be done before the tree is
infested.

1030
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:19,920
» Yes, I understand that. But when are you
looking to have it done?

1031
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:24,239
» June. June to July.
So there's no reason I could get

1032
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:27,120
trained. So we don't have to spend over
a thousand bucks to do this.

1033
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:33,360
» You'd be real happy with that because
there's another five at the

1034
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:38,639
» another five over there. Okay.
>> The ones at the arium were created two

1035
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:41,840
years ago by a grant that the grant
people weren't supposed to give us. They

1036
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:46,880
made a mistake and they did. So they
said, "Okay, we're going to let you have

1037
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:49,840
it this time, but we won't do that." So,
um,

1038
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:54,480
» why don't you let me get that glass, get
that under my belt, and then, uh, you

1039
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:57,840
can go around, show me all the ones you
want done, and we'll we'll inject them.

1040
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,000
How's that?
>> Sounds good to me. You could go into

1041
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:07,120
business.
>> Well, I guess you get that kind of money

1042
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,040
for five trees. I mean, for eight trees
and then

1043
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,679
» another five.
>> Another five.

1044
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:18,800
» It was $860
years ago. Is the board okay with seeing

1045
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:20,560
if Mike can get his tree squirting
certification?

1046
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,040
» Don't even say it.
>> I already said it.

1047
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:27,400
» Don't say it out loud.
>> I said tree squirting certification.

1048
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:34,639
» I knew that was coming.
>> I did too.

1049
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:39,040
» Yeah.
>> Do we know how much the training is?

1050
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:43,520
» I don't think it can be that difficult.
>> Tell you the truth. I don't know about

1051
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:46,960
right now, but last year it was $25.
And I think the way they went was if you

1052
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:52,719
flung the course, you had to pay and if
you didn't, you didn't.

1053
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:55,440
» Well, most online courses are a piece of
cadence.

1054
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:59,199
» Maybe some other treeboard members would
be interested in going too.

1055
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:03,120
» We're already too busy.
>> Okay.

1056
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:07,360
» All right. So, are we just is the board
cool with tableabling this and getting a

1057
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,520
report from Mike and Sue? Please, if
this gets lost,

1058
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:12,960
» when I get back from
>> Plus in June, you could put that on your

1059
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,159
calendar.
>> Probably.

1060
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:19,760
» Are we going to miss another discount?
>> Probably.

1061
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:24,440
» Just can't anymore.
>> Well, you don't even know what I'm going

1062
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,440
to charge. Yeah.

1063
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:30,480
» Last time we had it done, they actually
I don't know why, but they charge $200

1064
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:35,600
less than actual
>> $300 less.

1065
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:39,960
» Yeah. I didn't question it.
Oh, good.

1066
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,960
» Yeah.

1067
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:52,480
» Do you have any idea how much of this
particular price? Not Mike's price, but

1068
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:59,040
this one um is uh the substance the
chemical

1069
01:29:54,159 --> 01:30:06,000
» I don't know. Uh most people
who are reputable come from Waterberry

1070
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,000
and part of it maybe the traffic

1071
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:12,639
Okay.
Okay.

1072
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:18,800
Our next item up, I guess we're
tableabling this. Next item up is

1073
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:24,239
discuss town revenue. Can we bump that
for the audience?

1074
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:29,440
Uh, next item up is review and consider
signing uh certificate of highway

1075
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:33,840
mileage for year ending February
10, 2026.

1076
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:39,920
I believe this is accurate. We could
probably hit this one out of the park,

1077
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:44,880
but we're not doing great on that. I
>> Well, I got the notice of public hearing

1078
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:50,000
and site visits from Rosemary, and I
read down through and it showed that uh

1079
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:54,400
there was three roads uh that were uh
reduced from class 4 to legal trails.

1080
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:59,280
So, on the certificate of highway
mileage, I showed that subtraction,

1081
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:04,639
updated the math, and what I need
tonight is for the board to approve it

1082
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:10,480
and sign it. Uh, also I need to turn in
a set of signed minutes. And uh, going

1083
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:16,080
through uh, the previous minutes, it
wasn't until November 3rd, 2025 that the

1084
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,280
board acted and approved the uh,
changes.

1085
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:26,159
» Well,
I mean, we we acted and approved

1086
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:33,440
before, but it didn't make it. There was
a audio visual error and then we

1087
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:36,480
reaffirmed it again. But those minutes
will be

1088
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:42,719
» Yes. So what I'm asking is that the
board sign this so I can turn it in and

1089
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:45,760
uh approve reapprove these minutes. I
need uh signed minutes that I turn in

1090
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,400
the application.
>> Signed minutes.

1091
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:52,000
» Signed minutes
tomorrow. Can you get the watermark

1092
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:54,159
rule?
>> We already approved those.

1093
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:58,000
» Yeah.
>> They got to be signed according to the

1094
01:31:56,159 --> 01:32:01,840
» All right. And if you need me to send
you a version that doesn't have the

1095
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:04,960
watermark, you don't have that.
>> If you can do that and you can add

1096
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:07,679
signature lines to them, then we can
just e- sign.

1097
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:11,199
» Okay.
>> Uh, can I get a motion to approve the

1098
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,760
highway mileage certificate?
>> Moved. You want second? Sign this one

1099
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:18,080
tonight.
>> Yeah. Motion and a second. Further

1100
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:23,199
discussion? All those in favor signify
by saying I. I. I. Opposed. The eyes

1101
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:26,199
have it.
Okay.

1102
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,600
Um,

1103
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:47,280
town highway grant program can wait.
Discussion regarding the future of low

1104
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:51,040
lecture hall town hall.
Peter,

1105
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:55,040
John, somebody.
>> Yeah. So, I put this on the agenda. Oh,

1106
01:32:53,440 --> 01:33:02,560
» I need everybody to sound cover.
>> Yeah, I put this on the agenda um

1107
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:06,480
to kind of get the what the board was
thinking. I went back and I looked and I

1108
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:13,600
saw that they had a public meeting and
they had some ideas uh that we generated

1109
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:19,600
at the time. Uh I looked at the
survey that uh Peter handed out. U the

1110
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:24,080
building itself does need a lot of work.
Um, and I know I think you and I talked

1111
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:29,760
that this would be a topic for after
town meeting. Um, and I just kind of

1112
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:32,800
wanted to get some idea from uh, the
board, you know, did they have any

1113
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:38,480
ideas, you know, what were some plans
that could be considered? Um, ideally,

1114
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:42,800
you know, when the snow melts and the
sale goes through, I'd like to go in the

1115
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:45,760
bucket.
I know there's some uh, grant money

1116
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:51,280
that's out there for historic
preservation. Um, but I mean most of

1117
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:56,480
those grants require some kind of plan
for the building afterwards.

1118
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:01,239
» Um, and I just wanted to initiate the
the discussion from the board and get

1119
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,239
their feedback.

1120
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:10,719
» I think high level there's no
defined plan. There's been quite a few

1121
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:17,520
ideas and they trying not to misspeak
for anybody here but I think we're

1122
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:24,040
pretty clear in our special town meeting
that once the building was it's almost

1123
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,040
» recording stopped

1124
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:34,719
» recording in progress
>> because of that 250 because the studio

1125
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:38,239
center owned the building.
So,

1126
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:44,000
» is that going to transfer to us, the
town of Johnson, act 250 on this

1127
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:48,320
building? Because if it is, I think
people in the town are going to maybe

1128
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:54,639
want to revisit whether they want to buy
it or not because you know what we go

1129
01:34:51,760 --> 01:35:00,000
through just for this industrial part to
get anything done through Act 250. You

1130
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:04,400
know, you spend more money going through
Act 250 than you do actually getting

1131
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:08,320
something done.
I don't know what the question is. Is

1132
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,679
the question are we exempt from act 250?
>> Are we exempt or do we follow act 250 on

1133
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:16,320
this bill?
>> Well, when we do the down

1134
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:23,760
» recording stopped
recording in progress

1135
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:28,560
» 26 if you have your town report with you
>> and that's basically kind of a

1136
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:34,480
maintenance.
it's that's not addressing some of the

1137
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:39,920
significant work that needs to be done.
We want we want to address that pretty

1138
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:44,239
carefully, I think. And I think that's
one one of my goals I had that putting

1139
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:48,239
it on the agenda to talk to the board
because when you start looking for grant

1140
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:52,000
funding, uh, one of the things that they
want to hear is that there's a plan for

1141
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:57,440
the reuse of the building. And I wanted
to, you know, educate myself, uh, talk

1142
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:01,920
to the board and see, you know, what
their plan was. And I put a note in the

1143
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:06,800
packet there from a previous meeting
some of the topics that were discussed.

1144
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:11,639
Um, and it's going to be a process going
forward

1145
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:11,639
carefully.

1146
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:16,719
» Are your questions getting answered,
Pat?

1147
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:21,840
» Yes.
>> And the direct the direct answer to most

1148
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:25,480
of them is no
>> or it's in process.

1149
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,440
» I just see

1150
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:37,360
a lot of problems.
You know, I'm just worried about the

1151
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:41,520
building deteriorating as we move
forward. Is it a year project, two-year

1152
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:45,920
project, three-year project? So, I want
to I would like to see a prioritized

1153
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:49,600
list and what is the most important
thing to do? Is it the roof? Is it the

1154
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:52,600
foundation?
And

1155
01:36:53,199 --> 01:37:00,000
» yeah,
>> in two years I don't see a we need

1156
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:04,960
$80,000
to go on the taxes to

1157
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:08,600
fix something because it's in dire
straits now.

1158
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:15,360
» That could be cheap.
>> Well,

1159
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:19,679
yes.
>> Thank you very much. Are there any other

1160
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:25,199
questions on Mo lecture hall?
Oh yeah. Could Mike take a course on how

1161
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:27,440
you say
>> so? Could you take a course on how to

1162
01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:30,719
fix it all?
>> I'll fix it all.

1163
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:33,360
» You going to inject it?
>> Did you have any comments?

1164
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,560
» Okay.
>> I was just here to tell.

1165
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:41,440
» Okay.
>> I I agree with you, Pat. I see problems

1166
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:46,400
on this whole thing, too.
especially if you've had neighboring

1167
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:49,920
properties that have been encroaching on
it for years and not been told they

1168
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:54,000
couldn't
>> put them on not and we we had

1169
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,880
conversations with their uh with their
attorneys that or the neighbors land

1170
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,880
owners had support.
>> Okay. So, you think that's all worked

1171
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:02,880
out?
>> Yeah. Yeah. We actually um we blocked

1172
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:06,960
Well, we had locked off so people
wouldn't park like cuz the way it works

1173
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:10,320
is that little house that's right next
to it, people are parking right there.

1174
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:16,080
So, we didn't want them to park there.
So they have a drive through our lawyer.

1175
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:19,360
There's no like adverse whatever say
that's not happening with us because

1176
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:24,639
we're a nonprofit. So it's not you can't
do that. So um so we already have our

1177
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:28,880
attorneys talk to their neighbors get
stuff. So

1178
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:30,159
» so that goes pretty close to the parts
place.

1179
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:34,560
» It's like right up
>> right up tight to it and they've been

1180
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:39,119
using that for parking for years.
>> Just the handicap spa I think. Okay. Um

1181
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:42,719
is really close to there on the other
side. So, I believe there's there's

1182
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:46,800
defin
>> And the other side it goes right tight

1183
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:51,119
to the to that building. It's in.
>> So, you could cut those trees down and

1184
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:52,159
have diagonal parking right in through
there.

1185
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:55,159
» You could. Yes.
>> Yeah.

1186
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:03,040
» Those precious trees.
>> Somebody might want to hug before we cut

1187
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:07,119
them down.
>> All right, let's move on from trees.

1188
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:14,199
» No, it's not.
>> No, you have the people. Yeah, I know.

1189
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:14,199
That's why that's why I said it.

1190
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:23,840
» Wonderful. All right, I think we're back
up to our regular stuff,

1191
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:27,440
right?
>> Thank you for answering those questions.

1192
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:34,239
I appreciate it.
>> I can also like on our second day that I

1193
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:38,320
know it's pretty. We has we didn't
trigger act 250 when we purchased it on

1194
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:43,199
these books.
But you would have if we took to

1195
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:46,560
weather. Yeah, absolutely.
>> John, maybe we can have our attorney

1196
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:50,320
talk to their attorney about the adverse
possession issue. We just make sure

1197
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:53,320
that's clear for us as well.
>> Yes.

1198
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:05,199
» Perfect. Great. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Melanie.

1199
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:09,199
One more.
>> Sure. The library.

1200
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:20,239
We're okay if you're going on that.
>> We're working with and supporting the

1201
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:26,320
library trustee board as things evolve.
They have made commitments to

1202
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:31,760
come up with the shortfall in funding.
And the last conversation with the

1203
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:38,280
library that was in here was they were
going to work on a grant amendment and

1204
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,280
potentially a contract amendment

1205
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:47,800
to see if we could get more money
>> and didn't have to finish.

1206
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:47,800
» The short version is

1207
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:53,440
» their grant got amended. So they don't
have to build the whole thing which is

1208
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:57,280
what they originally thought. They just
have to open the old building and they

1209
01:40:55,199 --> 01:41:01,360
can use the grant money for the old
building.

1210
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:07,040
So they can do that by the end of this
year and meet the grant requirements and

1211
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:12,239
then do whatever else they need to do as
money allows.

1212
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:15,920
So we got some really good news from the
funding agency

1213
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:20,639
» without the town being responsible.
>> Pardon me. without the town being

1214
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:25,679
responsible.
>> But we're still ultimately responsible.

1215
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:28,960
» We still the works. It's watching things
being done around that building and at

1216
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,440
that building.
>> No,

1217
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:37,119
» that's a rub, too.
Well, so they were digging up around the

1218
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:44,080
foundation when it was 10 below or
whatever and then plopping big chunks of

1219
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:49,280
frozen earth, then running an excavator
over the top of it and going up against

1220
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:53,600
the foundation. If anybody seen that,
thought what was going on when they were

1221
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:57,760
digging putting dirt in.
>> Yeah. Smashed up a bunch of the extruded

1222
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:03,080
polystyrene that was against the
building.

1223
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:03,080
» Oh. So I am

1224
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:08,880
» understood.
That was from homes metal.

1225
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:15,679
» Yeah.
>> Material.

1226
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:19,440
» So to move forward a word
with a clerk of the works before any

1227
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:23,679
more work is being done. Does it go
through the clerk of the works that goes

1228
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:27,840
through the town or not?
>> We do not have a clerk of the works for

1229
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:31,639
that project.
We need one badly.

1230
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:36,320
» John, I think you were going to reach
out to Mumley and see what they would

1231
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,719
charge for that. We talked about that in
our last meeting. Is that on your list

1232
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:44,080
somewhere?
>> It's on my list. It didn't get down.

1233
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:47,199
» Thank you.
>> We talked about that. We're aware we

1234
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:52,719
don't have one. It wasn't in the budget.
I don't want to be a naysayer here, but

1235
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:56,880
I was under the assumption that these
projects were were moving forward and we

1236
01:42:54,880 --> 01:43:02,480
had our ducks in a row for them to move
forward and the funding say and you know

1237
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:07,600
the rumor on the streets is with the
library that

1238
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:13,440
there's just no money there. Was there
any money there to begin with?

1239
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:20,560
» There's money there. Um the library
after the grant and some funding from

1240
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:26,119
the library kicking in has you know
round numbers $1.9 million for the

1241
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:26,119
project.

1242
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:36,159
Round numbers it's going to cost give or
take 2.4 to complete the project. It's

1243
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:40,719
only the delta. And
the architect as well as the engineers

1244
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:46,159
were all surprised at how high the
project came in based on their,

1245
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:49,400
you know, preliminary numbers for the
grant application.

1246
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:56,440
» To answer your question, I took pictures
of that and I gave it to the board.

1247
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:06,159
They need 500,000 more to complete it.
And work is going to keep going with the

1248
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:12,400
money they have. So nothing is stopping
or pausing. It's going to keep going

1249
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:17,040
until the money is spent, I suppose.
>> And the rumors on the street are pretty

1250
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:21,360
lacking in fact.
>> Yeah. But they're there.

1251
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:24,719
» They're there. Yeah. I don't know how
>> I don't know how we get people to

1252
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:28,159
listen.
>> Well, when you see a GoFundMe page

1253
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:31,440
looking for all kinds of money, of
course, it's not

1254
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:35,119
» Mike.
Mike,

1255
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:38,360
» the town is not on the hook.
>> I understand.

1256
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:44,320
» There is a short fall on that and there
is a gunding and you

1257
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:49,360
fired up.
>> The library was not on our agenda. I did

1258
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,520
this as a favor for Pat to talk about
it. I think we're getting back to our

1259
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:53,760
agenda.
>> Okay, Dad. Fair enough.

1260
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:56,480
» Thanks, Pat.
>> Yeah,

1261
01:44:55,119 --> 01:45:02,560
» not about the librarians.
>> I have I did uh do some research this

1262
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:07,280
week on uh some uh CDBG grant
opportunities and uh under the public

1263
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:09,440
facilities program, they do list
libraries. So, I want to explore that

1264
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:14,400
thing.
>> Thank you. Town meeting day. Planning

1265
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:20,000
» planning. Town meeting day. What do we
need?

1266
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:26,000
What's John kind of had this one on the
agenda and it's a good time to have it.

1267
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:31,199
» Uh
we got uh the historical society is

1268
01:45:28,639 --> 01:45:34,000
going to be selling pies. Um
>> but they're free to select board

1269
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:38,159
members.
>> That's billions.

1270
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:42,239
» They changed me double last year.
>> Talk about sharks.

1271
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:47,840
» $5 a slice. I gave him a 10 and left
with a piece of pot.

1272
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:52,639
You just go all the
>> Jenny Urus is going to be doing uh tea

1273
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:57,119
and coffee and
>> food shelf.

1274
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,880
» For the food. Yes. And for pizza, it's
>> Mark Woodward.

1275
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:03,040
» Mark Woodward.
>> Doesn't R usually do the the coffee?

1276
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:06,639
» Not this year.
>> Mark Woodward's doing the pizza.

1277
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:08,400
» Well,
>> organizing it.

1278
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,679
» Okay.
>> Johnson eats

1279
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:16,719
» because I'm on the pizza committee, but
I haven't heard anything yet.

1280
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:20,400
Mark goes in at 2:00 in the morning to
start that thing to get it all hot.

1281
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:23,440
» And I got to
>> Kyle has arranged daycare.

1282
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,960
» Yeah,
>> which is great.

1283
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:29,199
» That one still concerns me a little bit.
But

1284
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:33,440
» what
>> they've been doing daycare for

1285
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,760
five, six years now.
>> I know

1286
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:39,400
» the parents stay on site. They have to
stay on site still.

1287
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:53,360
Um, but Kyle said that we need to reach
out to the

1288
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:57,440
elementary school or what did she say?
>> Yeah, for the room.

1289
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:03,679
» It says contact Dunton Elementary School
to reserve the classroom for the

1290
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:08,480
kindergarten the kindergarten room. Uh
let this community service let let the

1291
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:14,080
community know this service will be
available to them at town meeting. Um

1292
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:18,560
create and put up signs and arrows
directing parents to the classroom.

1293
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:22,800
Create sign in sheet for parents that
include phone number. Day before confirm

1294
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:30,520
with the school that the room will be
unlocked and baby sitters submit hours

1295
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,520
and get paid minimum wage.

1296
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:35,800
» Mr. Mr. Chairman, what was your concern
about the day?

1297
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:43,119
» It's a lot of liability on the town.
>> It is. And uh

1298
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:47,679
» I mean, we can't hire, no offense, you
were

1299
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:54,080
to anybody, we can't hire an employee
without a background check

1300
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:58,560
in any other capacity. And what happens
if the kids get hurt?

1301
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:03,280
Who is responsible?
>> There is some kind of a course. I think

1302
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:09,199
it's I don't know if the proper name is
like a assessing the risk or some dumb

1303
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:14,159
thing that you can course you can take
that would protect the town if something

1304
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:19,360
happened.
That's what you're thinking about.

1305
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:23,840
» I'm thinking that if we were to provide
babysitters, they should have horses in

1306
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:28,880
babysitting, CPR training, stop bleed
training, background checks. If we're

1307
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:31,520
really going to do it,
>> they

1308
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:33,920
» they might have those. I don't know. I
don't know.

1309
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:38,239
» Possibly.
>> Yeah.

1310
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:43,679
» Why don't you just let me die with
saying I'm skeptical?

1311
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:50,280
» No, but I mean, you do have a good point
that uh the town is on the hook if

1312
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,280
something happens.

1313
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:56,679
» As always,
>> we're always on the hook.

1314
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:03,119
Now that we moved on from that
Casey

1315
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:09,679
» question
have there been uh discussion with other

1316
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:16,400
committees about you know there are
presentation tables and stuff is that

1317
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:20,960
come into focus yet? I think anybody
that wants a presentation table can just

1318
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:27,600
email John. kind of a pretty good reason
the library board to have a

1319
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:31,440
table at
>> you know

1320
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:34,960
» maybe John could you send it email to
committee and commission chairs

1321
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:40,639
» offering that
>> in years past the skate park committees

1322
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:45,119
often used have table we we could use
use a small table

1323
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:48,719
» and show people what our projects
included

1324
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:55,440
» yeah maybe um ask them to have a signup
sheet too basic.

1325
01:49:53,040 --> 01:50:02,520
» Could she be some kind of release?
>> Ditto town hall.

1326
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:02,520
No, that's we don't know what

1327
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,719
» great idea.
>> Okay. It's not a good idea.

1328
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:11,440
» You know what I'm saying? Because people
lack facts and not it's a way of

1329
01:50:10,639 --> 01:50:14,320
helping.
>> Yep.

1330
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:17,840
» Great idea. We could ask chairs of
committees if they want to be there. All

1331
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:22,280
the committees that love being there
have already said they're going to be

1332
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:22,280
there. But

1333
01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:29,239
the money,
>> do I get a freebie piece this year?

1334
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:37,119
» Don't.
But um I do want to mention that I do

1335
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:43,199
remember from last year that there was a
shortage of tables that were easy to

1336
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:46,639
work from for the groups because the
tables that are available are the ones

1337
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:53,840
that have the seats.
>> Oh yeah, they only have about maybe

1338
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:56,239
four. Maybe Rosemary sent some over last
year or the year.

1339
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:59,760
» I think I've always told people to bring
your own people

1340
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:03,239
» because the school doesn't have a lot of
papers, right?

1341
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:08,800
Yeah, maybe that can be part of the
email chair. So, if you want to set

1342
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:12,320
something up
by Yo,

1343
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:16,800
» B.
>> So, now that we're back to school type

1344
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:20,320
things,
uh,

1345
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,679
you've been in communication with the
school.

1346
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,480
» Yes.
>> Gotten the Wi-Fi password.

1347
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:30,840
» Yeah.
>> Mountain Access Pision had some

1348
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:30,840
questions. Are you running with theirs?

1349
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:41,639
They wanted to know if the school was
setting up the school's AV equipment,

1350
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,639
the Wi-Fi password,

1351
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:53,679
some other things,
but those would be if you have a

1352
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:55,280
contact at the school. Yeah. Uh
that

1353
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:58,880
» they wanted to know if it's still going
to be headed held at John. Yeah, I'll

1354
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:03,599
just forward it the whole thing.
>> Yeah. uh Rosemary, Susan and I, we went

1355
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:08,719
over and had a meeting with the
principal and the staffs and uh we had a

1356
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:13,440
chance to talk to them and request what
we needed.

1357
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:17,760
» I know Wi-Fi password was difficult or
Wi-Fi access was difficult.

1358
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:21,040
» I guess there's a guess that there is no
password to it.

1359
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:24,159
» Okay.
Are we going to set up on the stage this

1360
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:27,159
year?
>> E.

1361
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:37,360
Only if we're at the old town hall.
>> Are we going to wear matching outfits?

1362
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:39,840
» Would you like outfits?
>> Yeah, but can I

1363
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:44,080
» Nobody's getting off board this year.
Nobody has it.

1364
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:51,320
» Bunny suits.
>> You want to pick that? I will gladly

1365
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:51,320
carry it in with me.

1366
01:52:52,719 --> 01:53:02,719
» I'll send some idea. Um,
what else? The local boy scout troop

1367
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:05,920
used to present the colors.
>> They have not for the last few years.

1368
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,840
» They haven't for the last couple years.
But

1369
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:12,880
» the scout masters,
>> I don't, but Dick Sees, I think, is

1370
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:18,159
still connected enough.
>> Dick is connected, but I don't believe

1371
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:24,239
that that there are any scouts left.
the last two

1372
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:26,239
and build bridge.
>> Wow.

1373
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:29,760
» Project.
>> Maybe the last two.

1374
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:33,440
» Reach out to Tom Carney and see if
there's a bunch of veterans that would

1375
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:36,400
be willing to do it.
>> I did it last year.

1376
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:40,719
» Well, you stood up and started the
pledge of allegiance. But, you know, if

1377
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:44,960
there was a
>> getting back to what just a second ago

1378
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:50,159
you said, what are we going to wear? You
know, we did Johnson Wool. If

1379
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:55,840
everybody's got a Vermont flannel shirt,
you know, we could all wear Vermont a

1380
01:53:52,480 --> 01:54:00,560
different Vermont flannel shirt.
I'll wear one.

1381
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:04,800
And if you don't want to spend a hundred
bucks, you can find them on eBay real

1382
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:08,400
cheap.
>> Okay.

1383
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:11,040
» I have one Vermont flannel. Yeah.
>> Is coordinational wardrobe the most

1384
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:14,960
important thing?
>> No. But she said we're gonna all kind of

1385
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:18,719
wear. We're not going to have the same
one on

1386
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:21,599
» final insurance.
>> That might be something we can discuss

1387
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:24,080
by email.
>> No,

1388
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,679
» what we wear could probably be discussed
by

1389
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,880
» Yeah,
>> we had a select board member buy all

1390
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,440
those last year.
>> But he got done.

1391
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:36,159
» Oh, Paul,
>> you want to buy me?

1392
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:40,760
» Well, technically speaking, I think you
took over that select member.

1393
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:48,159
Um, we can figure out wardrobe, but I
don't I don't know. Are there any other

1394
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:51,119
ideas for pledge of allegiance
presenting

1395
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:53,679
flags?
>> A great idea.

1396
01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:56,239
» If they're interested in doing it,
>> they're interested.

1397
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:59,920
» I think is Tom the one the runner of
that circle.

1398
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:04,719
» Yeah, Tom.
>> Yeah. Any contact Rosemary's got contact

1399
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:09,440
info for Tom Carney.
>> Okay.

1400
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:13,280
» With the veterans.
Yeah, just to see if they if there's no

1401
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:16,320
scouts.
>> Maybe Girl Scouts.

1402
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:20,560
» That'd be fine.
>> They sell Girl Scout cookies, but I

1403
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:22,400
don't know who it is.
>> That'll be fine. They never done that

1404
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:26,560
before.
>> How do we find out who it is?

1405
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:31,119
» Yeah,
>> maybe Kyle does.

1406
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:34,080
» Ask her.
>> You don't mind?

1407
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:37,599
» You can sell cookies, too. Yeah,
>> they used to they have it for

1408
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,599
» bodies.
>> Anything else? They used the Girl Scouts

1409
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:43,360
used to sell.
>> Yes. No. Maybe.

1410
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:48,960
» Is there like an elementary like band or
choir or anything like that to include?

1411
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:52,400
» I don't know.
>> Okay.

1412
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:57,760
» No, I just um I had it on the agenda. I
know you and I talked about it uh to try

1413
01:55:54,880 --> 01:56:01,679
to uh see what we need for that meeting.
That's coming up quick.

1414
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:04,880
» So, anybody else have any wants, wishes?
I think my mother-in-law usually does a

1415
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:08,880
couple things with flowers.
>> You folks aren't riveted anymore.

1416
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:13,199
Fantastic.
I'll keep being a little bit.

1417
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:19,199
One of the things I just thought up with
your fing

1418
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:26,560
uh so babysitters,
maybe if you could find an EMT

1419
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:32,400
or a nurse that would be in the area
with the kids or

1420
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:38,159
speaking from some experience as ski
patroller,

1421
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:42,320
» they all would have the necessary
first aid background should an emergency

1422
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:45,599
arise.
And maybe you can set it up where

1423
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:50,239
they're in like a 2-hour shift or
something like that so you're not

1424
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:55,440
burdening them like the whole day, but
that would give you some adult

1425
01:56:52,239 --> 01:57:00,639
supervision that's medically trained.
Um just a just a thought. I'm not trying

1426
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:03,920
to stir the pot here.
>> No.

1427
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:05,840
» But the resources may be available
locally.

1428
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:09,920
» Yeah.
um to get you a little bit better

1429
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:16,320
confidence, but you are exposing
yourself

1430
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:20,480
ski for 40 years with a car district and
the uh the liability is huge should

1431
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:23,440
something
go the wrong way.

1432
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:26,960
» That's a great idea. Thank you.
>> Yeah,

1433
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:30,719
» thank you very much.
>> What What did I just think of? Go.

1434
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:35,119
» Like I said, I could reach out to Tammy.
Uh she's looking at starting a job if

1435
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:38,960
she's available. She's a former teacher,
so she's had her background check and

1436
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:42,400
she's a former EMT.
>> How about that?

1437
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:48,480
» Might as well ask the question.
>> I know when this program first started,

1438
01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:53,199
the the babysitters did take a certified
babysitting course.

1439
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:58,719
» Red Cross offers one. Yeah,
>> I think that's what they took.

1440
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:03,040
» And that would be a good idea.
Kyle sent me the Girl Scout leaders

1441
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:06,199
contact info, so I'll forward that to
you guys.

1442
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:15,360
» Tech, uh, Green Mountain Tech Center,
wellness, uh,

1443
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:20,880
early nursing or whatever programs they
have up there, any of those kids might

1444
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:25,920
be resuscitated. Would they would they
be or they, you know, not certified

1445
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:29,440
enough? Maybe,
maybe we're getting too deep in the

1446
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:30,719
weeds on that one.
Um,

1447
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:35,360
» you started it.
>> Yeah, I did.

1448
01:58:33,199 --> 01:58:38,239
» Charles Ski Patroller,
>> huh?

1449
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:42,400
» Charles Flam.
>> Yeah, there we go.

1450
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:48,719
» You started it with us.
>> Have any of the local reps reached out

1451
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:51,520
to you to see if I may be here?
>> No.

1452
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:56,639
» I can email them tomorrow. They're
usually

1453
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:58,719
wanting to come after lunch. We all
done.

1454
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:01,440
» You think?
>> Yeah.

1455
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:04,239
» Yeah.
>> I hope

1456
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:10,960
» we lose so many people like after they
leave.

1457
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:14,719
» All right, I'll just copy you on that.
>> It should be pretty short town meeting.

1458
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:18,880
I feel like
>> Well, that's how long we talk about the

1459
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:22,239
library and the town hall.
>> That's not on the agenda. I know, but

1460
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,400
it's still
>> like I said, we've condemned

1461
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,520
administration.
>> Yeah, it's still on the agenda is going

1462
01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:32,599
to be pretty painless.
>> It's only a

1463
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:32,599
weather.

1464
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:42,320
» Anything else? We're good.
Um, I mean, should we have Jason there

1465
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:45,840
for public works or he hasn't he hasn't
been there since he's been the

1466
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:50,080
supervisor,
>> but if he wants to come,

1467
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:54,480
he has
>> supposedly working

1468
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:58,719
» time. Yeah, he's supposed to be working.
>> You could ask Isabella if she wanted to

1469
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:02,480
give any recreation.
>> Isabelle, she can't be there. Okay.

1470
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:05,679
» I'm assuming that I'm assuming she can't
because usually they make a pile of

1471
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:12,520
money on coffee.
Oh, okay. Uhhuh.

1472
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,520
» What was I just thinking about?

1473
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:22,800
» Oh, I will get together a list of
potential topics and

1474
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:25,040
experts and we can talk about that at
our next meeting.

1475
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:29,840
» Okay.
>> Usually it's like

1476
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:35,199
know if we get a question about ATVs,
just Mike can be our topic expert.

1477
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:40,239
» My guess is
Low lecture hall library

1478
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:44,159
maybe.
>> Oh, what fun. Um, yeah,

1479
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:48,719
» in all honesty, you answered better than
I did.

1480
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:53,280
» Sure, I'll give it a shot.
>> We can bounce it back and forth.

1481
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:58,840
» Long as Mike agrees to be my wardrobe
consultant.

1482
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,840
Neil, listen.

1483
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:06,560
» Can we uh move on on this one?
Yep.

1484
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:09,560
» Do we want to talk about creating town
revenue?

1485
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:17,199
» That is who's uh who's contacting the
school to the room or daycare?

1486
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:20,800
» Huh?
>> Who's contacting the school to reserve

1487
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:22,960
the room for daycare?
>> I can do that.

1488
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:29,400
» Yeah. He's got to talk to the school
about for the GMAT TV stuff. The There's

1489
02:01:25,599 --> 02:01:29,400
a couple of items.

1490
02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:40,760
Everything okay?
>> Donna

1491
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:40,760
free extensions for like this.

1492
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:48,760
» You raising money, right?

1493
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:53,040
» The floor.
>> Yeah. Um,

1494
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:57,840
» so I just thought it'd be good to like
talk about how we could increase town

1495
02:01:55,679 --> 02:02:06,159
revenue. There's a lot of different
avenues. Uh there's a sheet that has

1496
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:11,280
different like buckets of ideas, but
property the main ones are like property

1497
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:18,320
taxes, local fees and charges, state
aid, revolutionary, enterprise funds,

1498
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:21,840
uh local option taxes,
grants, external funding, funds,

1499
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:27,760
penalties,
asset based revenue, economic

1500
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:34,159
development, uh donations, endowments,
Um but uh

1501
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:42,560
» but I just generally wanted to see if
anyone had any ideas that we wanted to

1502
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:47,199
try out to increase our revenue um and
open the floor to that.

1503
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:50,880
» I did attach some research on local
option tax. I know there's some

1504
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:56,320
communities that have used it
successfully. It does require town

1505
02:02:53,199 --> 02:03:03,440
meeting approval. Um, and I added that
to the back of just more to consider.

1506
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:08,719
I've heard uh a lot of communities are
talking about that and I, you know, as I

1507
02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:17,679
was looking at this today, I was
thinking, I sure would like to hear from

1508
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:22,080
businesses in town that depend on
tourist business,

1509
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:26,080
how they would feel about a local option
tax. Because the last thing we want to

1510
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:29,080
do is
um

1511
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:36,119
reduce economic activity.
>> Mhm.

1512
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:44,239
» Well,
>> well put Yeah.

1513
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:49,599
» Well, I'm going to mention something
here. People are probably going to block

1514
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:56,239
at it. At least we have discussed it
before and uh we know it is going to be

1515
02:03:52,639 --> 02:04:00,719
a long process but we could save quite a
lot of money if we didn't have to allow

1516
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:06,159
and maintain all these single family
drive.

1517
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:13,040
I just drove by Mchuan Heights the other
day and you know I know that it's paved

1518
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:20,560
and so when that road needs to be paved
again the town has to pay for it

1519
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:25,760
you know and we do have a lot of farms I
mean they were old farms years ago and

1520
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:30,880
we all know that the reason why is that
they farmers had milk they had to pick

1521
02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:36,000
them up and so that's why the road was
there it was maintained and everything

1522
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:41,119
else. But we have they're not farms
anymore. They're single family homes.

1523
02:04:38,639 --> 02:04:45,840
And so, you know, we discussed that a
while back about some of them don't give

1524
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:50,639
us room to turn around in. And we were
going to try to find a way that to say

1525
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:54,239
that if they didn't allow us to turn
around that we weren't going to take

1526
02:04:52,480 --> 02:04:58,960
care of them. And then we find out from
the state that we can't say that, we

1527
02:04:56,400 --> 02:05:05,119
can't do that. But we need to start the
process of uh getting away from this.

1528
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:09,360
And I don't know how much we would save
in the long run, but you know, because

1529
02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:13,280
there's no real breakdown of it, but I
would imagine in a year's time it would

1530
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:18,159
make such a wild amount of money. I
mean, you just look at 100 C of that

1531
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:23,280
bridge that goes to one house that had
to be replaced years ago for two houses

1532
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:29,520
and one of them belongs to the college
which is no longer

1533
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:34,719
take it. It's it's vacant now. Okay. And
so no nobody lives there. So they

1534
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:39,040
there's only one house across that and
unless there's other buildings or

1535
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:43,280
something further up to support that
someday that bridge will have to be

1536
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:47,119
replaced and who knows how much money
and the town is going to have to foot

1537
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:54,239
the bill for them. So some of these
places ought to be done away with

1538
02:05:49,360 --> 02:06:00,000
really. Uh, so I've got 3 years provided
nobody runs against me and beats me. So

1539
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:06,639
the next three years I'm going to be
pushing that and we need to look into

1540
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:11,520
this and to try to be saving us money,
you know, and plowing them out and

1541
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:17,360
maintaining them and grading them and
hauling gravel into them. I mean, this

1542
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:22,639
just goes on and on and on. And I think
Morsville is getting rid of a whole

1543
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:26,560
bunch of them and uh we need to look
into what the process they went through

1544
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:32,560
to do it.
>> We just did that last year. I think we

1545
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:37,840
can all agree there are places to save
money. This is about bringing money in.

1546
02:06:34,719 --> 02:06:42,239
» I understand. Uh but if you don't spend
as much money, you don't have to bring

1547
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:45,840
as much money in. So that's my point
with that.

1548
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:51,199
» Dollar saved, dollar earned. That's
right. I have a question about re

1549
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:55,280
reappraisals.
So, uh does not create new money, just

1550
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:59,199
redistributes.
Um

1551
02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:05,440
if
if somebody has made improvements to

1552
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:11,000
their property,
um wouldn't their assessment go up?

1553
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:20,800
A reappraisal would redistribute the
money because you have your approved

1554
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:24,000
budget. We prepare a budget,
>> the taxpayers accept it or deny it.

1555
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:28,880
» Mhm.
>> And then we use the grand list to

1556
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:33,119
determine the tax rate.
So if a property depreciates, they just

1557
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:37,440
pay less in taxes. If a property
appreciates,

1558
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:41,599
they just pay more in taxes. But if
everything in an ideal world, your grand

1559
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:44,800
list would grow at the same rate that
your expenses grow and your tax rate

1560
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:48,800
would never change.
>> But typically when you do a reappraisal,

1561
02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:50,719
when everybody gets reappraised, the tax
rate goes down,

1562
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:54,639
» right?
>> Because grandma's figure, it's

1563
02:07:51,679 --> 02:08:01,920
» not like you keep your tax rate there.
>> Okay. So

1564
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:06,239
» also, you know, during the means, we
went through a tax abatement program

1565
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:11,280
with people that were flooded. It was a
big eye openener for me and I know it

1566
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:17,440
was for a lot of the other participants
that you had a lot of these um apartment

1567
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:22,480
houses that were in for basically a
fitness and they had like four

1568
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:27,920
apartments with you know $12,400 a
month. It it's not based on income for

1569
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:33,040
these taxes. It's based upon the
appraised value of the house. And so you

1570
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:38,000
listen to the the assessor and he talks
about a room here and a room there and

1571
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:42,880
fixtures here and fixtures there and
next thing you know uh they have a house

1572
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:47,679
that's uh generating a tremendous amount
of income that's only in for like

1573
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:52,320
$150,000.
So I mean they're not actually paying

1574
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:56,639
their fair share of the amount of income
that they are producing out of these

1575
02:08:54,320 --> 02:09:02,639
apartments. So, I mean, the whole thing
has to be possibly revamped

1576
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:08,480
down the road and make some of these
people with the ability to pay more

1577
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:13,760
taxes pay that.
>> The majority of the businesses in our

1578
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:16,639
town are not assessed on a business
model.

1579
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:21,679
» That's right.
>> They're assessed on a property model.

1580
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:28,239
» Right.
Um, I guess one thing I was interested

1581
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:35,599
to see if we had any land to be able to
do this with, um, was leasing town land

1582
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:40,560
or buildings. Um, and maybe leasing land
for like cell towers or solar arrays on

1583
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:45,360
municipal property.
I don't know if we have any areas that

1584
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:49,520
would be good fit for that.
>> You'd certainly have a lot of people

1585
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:54,639
yell at you if you did. Well, the cell
the the cell tower is up at the college

1586
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:58,760
and the college is in the states
generating revenue from that.

1587
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:06,480
» So,
>> there could be a penance of money for

1588
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:10,960
certain things, but it's worth looking
at. I don't want to even think about the

1589
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:15,440
local options tax myself.
>> No,

1590
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:20,560
» I don't think it fits our town. Town
like Willist, sure, because people go

1591
02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:25,840
there and shop a lot. Town like Sto,
sure, fail room and board alcohol sales.

1592
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:31,280
» Here it would just be a tax on the local
residents for the most part.

1593
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:37,360
» So they wouldn't see it in their
property taxes. And unfortunately,

1594
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:42,400
we only get to keep like 75%.
I thought it was 60% corrected me. We

1595
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:45,040
get to keep 75% of that 1% of the sales
tax.

1596
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:48,560
» State gets to keep the other 25. I mean,
fund it

1597
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:52,239
» the pilot.
>> The pilot program.

1598
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:56,079
» Adrian, you mentioned cell towers.
>> One time we had a piece of property that

1599
02:10:54,560 --> 02:11:00,560
they were thinking of putting a cell
tower on uh and they were going to pay

1600
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:04,000
us $25,000 a year for a 30-year
contract.

1601
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:08,079
» Okay. But they ended up going someplace
else.

1602
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:10,560
» I think they actually going to college
instead.

1603
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:15,199
» Yeah. But I certainly would have not
laid $25,000 a year just to have a cell

1604
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,719
tower on my property.
>> Mhm.

1605
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:20,400
» And I wouldn't be dropping calls if they
had done that.

1606
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:23,400
» You're probably right.
>> Yeah.

1607
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:35,440
» And I mean, I know we don't have like
parking tickets, but

1608
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:39,320
is that an option?
>> Who would enforce it?

1609
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:46,159
the sheriff's department.
>> Mhm.

1610
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:51,960
» And they won't
issued one ticket last month.

1611
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:51,960
» One

1612
02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:58,719
that's huge.
>> I do

1613
02:11:55,440 --> 02:12:02,719
» generate a lot of revenue.
We're saying Jay up here

1614
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:07,119
» for what
>> Danielle people get picked up all the

1615
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:13,840
time.
I do think our

1616
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:19,840
paid for services should go up.
>> Our paid for services.

1617
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:25,840
» Well, maybe that goes under fees or
local fees and charges, but I said that

1618
02:12:22,719 --> 02:12:30,800
about wreck when we were budgeting.
>> And I think I also said I'd like to see

1619
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:36,320
a lot more donations and
empower committees to get donations.

1620
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:41,679
» Yeah.
Um, and then like with form based code,

1621
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:44,800
could we like charge
for violations

1622
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:48,960
for that?
>> Do we even have a fee structure?

1623
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:52,000
» I believe there is one for that.
>> What it is?

1624
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:56,880
» We don't even enforce what we've done.
>> We certainly could.

1625
02:12:55,360 --> 02:13:01,800
» What was your question? Sorry.
>> Uh, violations with formbbased code.

1626
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:01,800
» Violations.

1627
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:10,639
Although there's no fee structure if you
don't fill out an application

1628
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:16,159
before you start work. Correct.
Why I have to reate?

1629
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:21,480
» We've only had one feed.
>> No, there's been two. It's just from the

1630
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:21,480
same person.

1631
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:26,840
» I think
the garage

1632
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:36,960
» best kept secret for the last eight
years. Mhm. Mhm.

1633
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:43,360
» Got a lot of attention on it past
hard imagine people don't know

1634
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:46,079
but certainly the administration of it
has been pretty quiet.

1635
02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:49,840
» Yeah.
>> Well, one of your board members was very

1636
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:56,880
outspoken
commission. One thing that would bring

1637
02:13:53,599 --> 02:14:01,520
in a tremendous swing in our budget
would be getting the state to recognize

1638
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:08,560
the calculation error in our pilot
payment and correct it.

1639
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:12,159
That would change our
tax rate by 4%.

1640
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:16,000
Give or take.
>> Yeah.

1641
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:23,599
» Well, how can we do that? Now, if you
can get the state of Vermont

1642
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:28,320
to uh admit to their error and correct
it,

1643
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:32,159
uh then we probably still wouldn't get
the full payment because they're short

1644
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:35,520
changing every town except for Chester
right now.

1645
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:41,280
But we'd get a lot more.
>> Can we sue them?

1646
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:45,599
» Maybe.
Well, the state's just about ready to go

1647
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:50,719
belly up anyway. So,
really,

1648
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:54,639
» but that is not funded through income
taxes for them.

1649
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:59,360
» Yeah,
that would be a big swing. I know there

1650
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:05,119
was a huge push, was that two years ago?
Another big push last year, and

1651
02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:08,719
nothing's changed.
>> Big push

1652
02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:12,320
from here or statewide?
>> From us?

1653
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:19,280
» From us? I don't think a lot of towns
know how formula even works.

1654
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:22,840
» State budgets will raise billion.
>> Well, doesn't matter.

1655
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:38,560
I think one of the areas that might be
considered is um having support from our

1656
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:44,239
administrator and our community economic
development with grants to the various

1657
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:51,840
committees. I I don't know if something
comes up in the mask, you can get help,

1658
02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:58,000
but when we we had the time when Lyn
Fleer was here and was actually

1659
02:15:55,520 --> 02:16:02,800
um a part of so many committees just
because she was here and she would come

1660
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:08,159
back with ideas
and then get something generated and

1661
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:13,760
then the committee became the leg of
getting some of the work done. But she

1662
02:16:10,639 --> 02:16:18,880
actually was the person who did the
writing and dotted the eyes and crossed

1663
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:23,280
the teas and got it sent in the way it
needed to be done because they're always

1664
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:28,560
changing. Some grants are real easy to
do. But some of them are just almost

1665
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:32,800
impossible for
for the lay person or somebody who

1666
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:34,160
hasn't written a grant in 25 years.
So

1667
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:39,200
» yeah,
>> just keeping that in mind as we're

1668
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:43,200
writing the community um economic bills
and job description.

1669
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:49,679
» To me, that's a good place for it
because I think that administrator has

1670
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:52,880
to do but I think the two together
really help volunteers could get more

1671
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:57,800
money,
>> right?

1672
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:57,800
Definitely.

1673
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:05,760
» Should we pick this up again?
Yeah, this can be an ongoing topic, but

1674
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:08,800
um then we can move on to the CD.
>> We could we could add that to old

1675
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:10,719
business, too, so we can kind of talk
about it on any meeting.

1676
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:15,200
» Sure.
>> And we can we can take off TSSA on old

1677
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:20,359
business as well.
>> Are there any of those other ones here

1678
02:17:16,880 --> 02:17:20,359
that we can take off?

1679
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:31,200
» You said the capital budget and plan is
being worked on by the planning

1680
02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:35,280
commission. Um, they're working on
getting a grant. So, hopefully I'll

1681
02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:41,439
follow that on.
>> Okay. So, do we need that on our our old

1682
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:47,040
business if they're working on it?
>> I keep it there for keep track of it.

1683
02:17:44,559 --> 02:17:52,639
» We're going to really need to like come
to us. Yeah.

1684
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:55,280
» Louis,
>> town highway grant program. Anything for

1685
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:59,840
that, John?
>> I talked to Jason Jason. He said they

1686
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:04,559
applied for it last year and they
weren't successful. Uh he was hoping to

1687
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:10,399
do Wilson Road. I reached out to a guy
uh with Transport uh Steve Sally and he

1688
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:15,280
told me that the grants were up to
200,000. Jason said that's what they

1689
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:20,639
applied for last year. Uh he said he can
use uh town equipment and town labor as

1690
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:25,359
part of the match. Uh he said he'd like
to uh see us apply for the same amount

1691
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:29,120
uh for this year and dedicate those
funds for Wilson Road.

1692
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:30,240
Everybody cool with that?
>> Mhm.

1693
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:33,240
» Y
>> deal.

1694
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:39,280
Rosemary wants a road off a Wilson road.
>> Yeah, we can go down a tenth of a mile.

1695
02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:42,280
» Tenth of a mile.
>> Yeah.

1696
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:47,519
Ask Jason if he'll fit it in.
>> We'll see everybody on town.

1697
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:50,639
» Have a good one, Mike.
>> Have a good trip, Mike. Thank you.

1698
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:53,120
» Where are you going?
>> Clearly,

1699
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:56,399
» huh?
>> Oh, wow.

1700
02:18:54,639 --> 02:18:59,920
» I fought the day before filming today.
when you go to you.

1701
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,519
» Oh,
>> nice.

1702
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:02,880
» Thank you.
>> Voage.

1703
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:05,679
» Yeah.
>> Have fun.

1704
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:09,200
» Gonna go to Venice. Gonna go to Rome.
Going to go take a train to some little

1705
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:11,840
town and we're going to end up in
Venice.

1706
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:15,439
» Ah,
couple Olympic events. Are you there?

1707
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:20,280
» Do a couple Olympic events. Are you
there?

1708
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:20,280
» Yeah, probably. I'll get right on that.

1709
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:26,160
» Okay.
Is that

1710
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:28,639
» community economic development
coordinator job description?

1711
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:32,960
» I did get a
>> specialist. Sorry,

1712
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:38,559
» feedback back from uh
Adrian on her thoughts on the position.

1713
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:44,960
Uh one of the questions she asked was
having the this individual, you know,

1714
02:19:41,679 --> 02:19:50,800
work with the individual committees.
Um, I didn't know if the board wanted to

1715
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:54,800
um identify certain committees who
wanted this this individual to work with

1716
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:59,680
or as a whole because I mean that would
give them a lot of hours. I wasn't sure

1717
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:04,880
what our budget was going to be, but
>> um well, I was thinking they would work

1718
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:10,000
with all the committees, but
like like we would set kind of a some

1719
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:13,840
kind of amount of committee meetings
that they would go to each month, like

1720
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:16,160
maybe two meetings a month and like
rotate with the different committees.

1721
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:20,359
» Okay.
>> Um that's what I thought was

1722
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:25,040
» I think one of the things Lois just
brought up is sort of interesting. Like

1723
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:28,560
are we looking for this person to just
do work with somebody point to math or

1724
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:34,800
are we looking for this person to be the
spark the identifier the hey let's do

1725
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:37,840
this you know there's the idea there's
identifying grants that's one part and

1726
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:43,600
then there's also identifying the ideas
of the projects and then there's putting

1727
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:49,680
the two together making it happen and is
this person

1728
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:51,840
the idea generator or is this person the
do what the committes come up with

1729
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:57,760
person
>> I think I feel like they should be an

1730
02:20:53,680 --> 02:21:00,960
aid for the committees but also offer
insights and ideas as well if they'd

1731
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:04,399
like.
>> Both.

1732
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:09,760
» Both. Yeah, I think so. But mainly
support for committees and for the

1733
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:11,439
select board for writing grants and
getting

1734
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:16,800
» Do we know what we want to budget for
the position?

1735
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:21,600
» Uh it's budgeted.
>> Yeah, that was uh what 20 hours? I think

1736
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:25,680
it was 24.
>> 24 $24.

1737
02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:28,960
» Yeah, it's in the spreadsheet.
>> So, we can't increase the hours because

1738
02:21:27,359 --> 02:21:38,760
we already put that in the budget. Oh,
>> you certainly can. Um, you know,

1739
02:21:33,200 --> 02:21:38,760
select board can spend all they want.

1740
02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:48,080
» Once a budget's approved,
>> what towns can't do is deficit spent.

1741
02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:51,520
Correct. you have to retire your debts
of your overall budget within the first

1742
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:56,319
year. I mean,
>> we didn't budget $100,000 for the

1743
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:59,040
Porman's truck last year. Still spent
it. It came out of a reserve fund, but

1744
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:03,439
» Mhm.
>> Um,

1745
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:08,800
we're tied to the amount that's raised
by taxes, but how that's actually spent.

1746
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:14,000
» Yeah,
I would like it increased to as close to

1747
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:17,600
40 as we can. I mean, it's very valuable
position for bringing in money.

1748
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:24,399
To answer your initial question,
what do we want? I think Adrian and I

1749
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:29,600
have always disagreed a little on this.
I agree

1750
02:22:26,319 --> 02:22:34,720
on committee support, but I always, you
know, in essence, there's two ways to

1751
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:37,439
tackle projects and grants like high
level.

1752
02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:41,680
There's a grant that's out there and you
just build a project for it and do it.

1753
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:47,120
And then there's the long-term plan
where you build a project and go find

1754
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:52,160
the money for it. And I feel as though
Johnson has been in a very

1755
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:56,319
reactive cycle instead of a proactive
cycle. Oh crap, there's money. Let's

1756
02:22:54,640 --> 02:23:02,800
build a project. You know, the
industrial park is

1757
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:06,960
» proactive. The library
meadow I guess was somewhat proactive,

1758
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:11,280
but Len Way Lane, all these other
projects

1759
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:16,720
are very reactive.
And I would like a community and

1760
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:25,280
economic development specialist to
build the long-term things and then find

1761
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:29,680
the money. Um I believe when Leia was
doing it, Rosemary could correct me, but

1762
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:32,720
there was a lot of time, effort, and
planning that went into the main street

1763
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:37,120
project
that was a shelf ready project. And

1764
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:39,359
there was congressionally directed
spending. I believe that

1765
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:41,120
» yes
>> they said

1766
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:46,880
» shelf ready
>> do you have a a value added project for

1767
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:50,560
your community that's shelf ready if you
will I think there was a big scramble to

1768
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:55,040
update numbers a little bit
>> but when you have the project

1769
02:23:53,040 --> 02:24:00,960
here's the plan here's the design here's
the preliminary numbers in 2013 or

1770
02:23:57,280 --> 02:24:06,160
whatever and you get you know Peter
Welch's office that calls and says I

1771
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:09,439
want to do something for Johnson in 2018
you're updating numbers you're

1772
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:14,399
redesigning everything or building a
whole project from scratch.

1773
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:21,359
That's what community economic
development

1774
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:25,600
specialist is to me. And that was a huge
driver, I think, in the Reimagine

1775
02:24:23,439 --> 02:24:29,600
Johnson process was identifying
long-term

1776
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:34,240
community.
When it first kicked off, that's what it

1777
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:40,160
was, long-term community goals. It
evolved a little bit as all community

1778
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:43,880
processes do,
but that's what I want.

1779
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:52,479
» I do think it's changed a little bit
with the advent of the reimagine Johnson

1780
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:56,960
thing and now the CPA grant that may go
into forming those long-term plans that

1781
02:24:55,200 --> 02:25:03,600
we can then build projects for and seek
money for. Um,

1782
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:08,560
» the RC one for sure. Yeah. um you know
the rail trail connection connector

1783
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:12,720
sculping study that identified funding
sources in a generalized project right

1784
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:18,640
» do any of us like that
>> no oh I don't

1785
02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:23,680
» um
yeah maybe we didn't

1786
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:26,560
» well I do what's wrong with it
>> we need to get people off the rails rail

1787
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:28,960
under Johnson somehow
>> maybe we'd still get that

1788
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:32,880
» idea of it
>> yeah the idea is great but maybe a

1789
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:38,600
community econ economic development
specialist if we task them with a trails

1790
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,600
plan.

1791
02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:46,399
Good work. You know, the rail trail
connection committee has done a great

1792
02:25:43,439 --> 02:25:50,399
job at identifying, but maybe there's
conversations with people where one or

1793
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:56,960
two rightaways could do a whole another
path and that could link up to

1794
02:25:54,720 --> 02:26:01,760
Beard Recreation Park that could have a
path to Legion Field that could have a

1795
02:25:58,800 --> 02:26:06,800
path to
uh the arburetum and maybe the long-term

1796
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:12,240
plan could be a bridge across the Union
Bank parking lot so you have a loop

1797
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:17,920
because we're going to own that
but that's a longterm plan that has to

1798
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:22,240
have a lot of layout and thought
>> then go find fun.

1799
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:28,319
» I think we need both for sure.
>> Yeah. I just I fear that when we

1800
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:32,640
structure and say we want you to go to
committees, we want you to support

1801
02:26:29,600 --> 02:26:39,200
committees, it's the perfect storm for
just getting rled up in that, oh well,

1802
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:42,640
we want this. Okay,
scramble build a project. Oh, well, this

1803
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:44,319
this grant's available. Let's scramble
build a project.

1804
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:48,319
» Yeah.
>> Just it puts that person.

1805
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:52,319
» But I think grants kind of work like
that. So though like some smaller grants

1806
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:57,840
I think kind of work like that though
like you don't know until it's released

1807
02:26:54,399 --> 02:27:03,520
that it's an option you know
>> smaller ones sure but I mean if you have

1808
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:07,600
like an overall like a fiveyear plan and
said okay you know this is what we

1809
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:11,120
vision for Johnson and then okay well
there's a a grant that come out well it

1810
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:16,960
can be part of this or it can be part of
this but I mean that overall plan needs

1811
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:20,640
» in place instead of Yeah. Yeah. instead
of chasing stuff and just kind of

1812
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:22,800
lumping it in a pile and said, "Well,
this is what we have."

1813
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:28,640
» Mhm.
>> I also am guilty of this myself, but

1814
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:33,600
pretty much all we talk about is grants
with a community economic development

1815
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:37,520
coordinator, right?
If we just want a grant writer, why

1816
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:42,080
don't we just put out a job description
for a grant writer?

1817
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:47,040
You'll get a different interested
person. Well, what's the economic

1818
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:50,880
development part?
>> Well, what what's the economic

1819
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:55,680
development? Is it writing grants for
committees?

1820
02:27:52,800 --> 02:28:00,000
» No, not economic development wouldn't
be.

1821
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:07,680
Yeah, I I think it would be great for
committees to have

1822
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:14,160
some support around pursuing grants, but
and I don't want to minimize anybody's

1823
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:21,040
work, but we're talking about relatively
small grants

1824
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:26,960
um that when there's a lot of them, they
take a lot of time.

1825
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:34,040
And how much of this person's time do we
want directed toward relatively small

1826
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:34,040
grants

1827
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:43,520
versus
things that make bigger impact?

1828
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:49,280
» What are some bigger impact things that
we could get with a economic development

1829
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:53,840
specialist? Like what are we wanting?
>> We got a shovel ready project. we could

1830
02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:57,840
end up with $7 million in
congressionally directed spending that's

1831
02:28:55,439 --> 02:29:02,720
spent in the village. But it did look
pretty.

1832
02:29:00,319 --> 02:29:06,720
» So just so just like infrastructure
projects.

1833
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:08,880
» I mean like they were handling the
industrial part.

1834
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:12,399
» Yeah.
>> Um I mean you know where the shopping

1835
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:16,319
center was. I mean,
>> you know, would we have a vision that,

1836
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:21,120
you know, we'd want a set of buildings
with a store and, you know, some retail

1837
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:22,960
space outside the flood zone?
>> Mhm.

1838
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:27,040
» Where would that be?
>> You know, what would be the plan to

1839
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:34,560
acquire the property, acquire the funds,
>> identify that? Um, if we had

1840
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:37,920
a full-time SS position and we said, and
the community identified low lecture

1841
02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:43,120
hall as wanting to be a business
incubator, get more business.

1842
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:47,479
Uh,
I know the previous full-time

1843
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:53,680
SS employee we had was working with the
nonprofit that's spun up.

1844
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:59,200
» Yeah.
>> To try to help get information about the

1845
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:05,439
town out there.
I mean, do we have areas where maybe we

1846
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:10,000
could uh locate a business and you know,
we got the the light industrial park,

1847
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:15,120
but I mean, you know, what if you know,
how would we attract a larger business

1848
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:18,840
and what kind of business would that be
for employment opportunities?

1849
02:30:19,439 --> 02:30:25,680
» Infrastructure.
>> Can the economic development specialist

1850
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:29,600
help with housing?
Yeah, I mean to me that would be part of

1851
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:34,560
it because I mean you're looking to
increase the grand list. Uh you're

1852
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:38,800
looking to increase viability.
Um you know where you know if we had

1853
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:42,080
land you know and somebody was
interested in the subdivision.

1854
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:46,160
» You know where would where would we put
it? Where would that be? And then would

1855
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:50,080
we need the infrastructure the telephone
poles the water and the sewer

1856
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:52,319
connections to that property?
>> And then what kind of money is available

1857
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:55,319
for that?
>> Yeah.

1858
02:30:56,640 --> 02:31:00,359
I did that.

1859
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:08,560
None answer your question.
>> I did sit in on a uh um training today

1860
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:11,680
through uh Vermont League of Cities and
Towns on the CHIP program.

1861
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:16,880
» Okay.
>> Yeah, got some information on that.

1862
02:31:14,720 --> 02:31:21,200
» Yeah, they could do a Could we be
eligible for a TIFF?

1863
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:27,439
» You had a big enough project? No,
>> that had to be a big one. Well, they got

1864
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:31,680
that new chip uh program and uh that's
where it's kind of like a tip, but it's

1865
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:35,680
for infrastructure where if you wanted
to had somebody come in with a housing

1866
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:39,680
development, um you know, you would
apply for the CHIP program and you know,

1867
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:44,439
you could get some of the deferred tax
money up front to help out with the

1868
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:44,439
infrastructure.

1869
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:52,800
» All that to say,
I don't know if we agree on what we

1870
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:57,200
really want.
That's probably the hardest thing. I

1871
02:31:55,840 --> 02:32:02,080
think the job description that's in
front of us is fine if that's what we

1872
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:06,880
want. If we want a grant writer, let's
just hire a grant writer on as needed

1873
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:13,680
basis. LCPC does a full grant
administration for us. They get paid the

1874
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:18,560
grant. Well, I think we'd need both
because when we just when we had the

1875
02:32:16,319 --> 02:32:24,240
previous CEDS,
there was an issue of of like smaller

1876
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:30,880
grants, them feeling like they shouldn't
be writing those smaller grants because

1877
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:37,120
it's not a hugger project like that, but
we still need that at the same time.

1878
02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:40,240
» Definitely needs to be supported.
>> Yeah.

1879
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:44,319
What's funny listening to you, Evan?
Sounds like what I heard from Adrian for

1880
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:48,960
several years on the planning commission
is we need a planner.

1881
02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:56,000
» We need a planner. We need a fiveyear
plan. We need to lay out the the road

1882
02:32:52,479 --> 02:33:02,399
map and build all those elements and
then go find the money and the projects.

1883
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:06,880
» Seems like we need both because you
can't make a five-year plan overnight.

1884
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:09,840
We can't expect our committee not to do
anything and be done. Mhm.

1885
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:16,800
» So, we've got to support him in some
passion, whether it's

1886
02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:20,880
John's help with the CDS or
big borrow and steal help from LCPC. I

1887
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:25,439
don't know. But you still have to write
minor grants in the meantime.

1888
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:31,520
» What if we hire a grant writer and the
first grant they look for is hiring or a

1889
02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:37,200
grant for a health planner?
like that's the only focus and then they

1890
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:41,399
move on to other grants.
>> Works great for the first year.

1891
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:49,040
» What do you mean by that? I don't think
it works at all in the first year. If

1892
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:52,560
you don't get any grants in a year, all
you do is spend money.

1893
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:56,800
» Well, when you get the grant to hire a
SS position, I don't know of any grants

1894
02:33:55,359 --> 02:34:00,800
for hiring people that are in
perpetuity.

1895
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:08,479
» Yeah. So that you know you might get
lucky and find one that's 100% 75% 50%

1896
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:13,439
25% but you're still adding cost to the
taxpayers. You're just stretching it

1897
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:16,439
out. if there was even a grant like
that.

1898
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:25,280
It's not like a yearly grant program
where they say

1899
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:32,960
sense
now a 40hour a week in a local community

1900
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:36,520
economic development specialist I could
get super behind.

1901
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:47,200
» Have they shown interest in that? as who
>> the inter local

1902
02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:53,439
» uh I mean never asked I don't think
we have an interlocal assessor

1903
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:56,880
or talking about interlocal caneling
agreements

1904
02:34:54,960 --> 02:35:00,319
» I want our person to be just focused on
us

1905
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:05,960
» that's fair
>> I just worried we'd be

1906
02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:05,960
» if we have a part-time employee

1907
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:12,000
are the odds pretty high that they're
only focused on us or the odds somewhat

1908
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:13,920
there that they have another job as
well.

1909
02:35:12,399 --> 02:35:18,399
» Well, I also don't I want them to be
full-time. So,

1910
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:21,720
» fair enough
>> with benefits.

1911
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:29,479
» Sounds like we're not going to approve
this tonight.

1912
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:29,479
» Um

1913
02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:32,760
it

1914
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:39,600
» Well, I know uh I I got the uh
request from Adrian there. She have some

1915
02:35:38,319 --> 02:35:46,200
language, you know, that she wanted
changed and I just wanted to hear from

1916
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:46,200
the board if there was any other

1917
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:50,800
» right, wrong or indifferent. I don't
feel like we provided any

1918
02:35:49,359 --> 02:35:53,840
straightforward directive.
>> No.

1919
02:35:51,439 --> 02:35:57,680
» If if three members can get behind
something, I would recommend providing

1920
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:00,800
some straight directive.
>> Mhm.

1921
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:05,680
» Now, was there ever a five-year plan
done for Johnson as far as what the

1922
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:12,479
people wanted to see? I mean, I did read
a little bit about Imagine Johnson and

1923
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:17,760
some other um programs, but I mean,
>> I mean, we have our town plan.

1924
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:22,560
» Paul wrote that.
>> We have a town plan. You've seen that? I

1925
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:26,920
think so.
Um, that's on the website.

1926
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:33,920
» Isn't that done every eight years?
>> I think.

1927
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:40,800
» Yeah, he's six. No, it's eight. Our town
plan isn't really a plan though. I mean,

1928
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:44,080
it's kind of just like it lists out some
goals, but it's not like a plan.

1929
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:47,200
» No, it's not a plan. It's a bunch of
different chapters on different topics

1930
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,560
and they all have recommendations and so
forth in it.

1931
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:51,280
» Yeah.
>> A plan could be assembled from it.

1932
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:53,840
» Yeah.
>> But you have to do a lot of

1933
02:36:52,479 --> 02:36:58,160
prioritization because there's a
thousand ideas in there.

1934
02:36:55,680 --> 02:37:02,319
» I mean, do we have any options?
um you know if there's a a piece of

1935
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:06,560
property in town that if a business
wanted to locate to Johnson that we

1936
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:13,040
could work with then that it would have
you know water sewer three-phase power

1937
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:15,920
um something that's you know the town
could offer

1938
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:19,200
» we're hoping to
>> right

1939
02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:22,960
» this construction season.
>> What about the T property? I mean is

1940
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:28,960
there anything up there that could be
reused? We only own 50% of it that

1941
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:34,160
that's a brown field,
right? The state where is not where the

1942
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:36,720
180 acres is.
>> Yeah, but that's

1943
02:37:36,479 --> 02:37:43,359
a
>> hill steel.

1944
02:37:39,680 --> 02:37:47,600
» There might be some portion around the
snowmobile

1945
02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:50,640
clubs
there that's somewhat flat. I don't

1946
02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:55,040
know.
Well, we were talking to the college

1947
02:37:52,240 --> 02:38:02,560
before about buying some land from them
for housing or any kind of development.

1948
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:06,880
Um, but those talks have kind of just
>> Well, didn't I hear that the college is

1949
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:09,280
working on
>> senior housing?

1950
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:12,080
» Some kind of housing project up there
and some housing.

1951
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:17,439
» Yeah, they're turning one of their
buildings into senior housing

1952
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:21,200
» and giving it over to a nonprofit.
>> I don't know. Yeah, it's down street.

1953
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:24,080
» Oh,
>> yeah.

1954
02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:25,359
» Down street would be the owner, not the
college.

1955
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:30,160
» Okay.
>> Yeah. But then the college is also

1956
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:37,920
talking about doing
some housing

1957
02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:43,120
in the parking lot of the uh art
studio. Uh

1958
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:43,840
» soccer field parking
field.

1959
02:38:43,439 --> 02:38:46,720
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1960
02:38:44,960 --> 02:38:52,000
» You're going to build a new building.
>> Uhhuh.

1961
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:55,359
So, you know, at the in the idea stage
anyway,

1962
02:38:52,720 --> 02:39:00,640
» that was in their presentation
to the community talked about tulip too.

1963
02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:02,720
» Mhm.
>> Oh, man. All the empty buildings they

1964
02:39:02,080 --> 02:39:04,720
have up there.
>> Huh.

1965
02:39:03,359 --> 02:39:07,439
» I forgotten that with all the empty
buildings they have up there. Lot

1966
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:10,240
» of them need to be torn to the ground.
>> Amazing. Yeah.

1967
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:18,240
» I don't know.
>> How do we get aligned on the CDS role? a

1968
02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:22,240
question in moving in that direction.
Um,

1969
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:27,399
who's going to market
the site in the industrial park?

1970
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:36,160
» Loyal Economic Development Corporation
as well as I I mean I don't know. I

1971
02:39:33,439 --> 02:39:40,800
haven't gotten there yet. I would say if
they're subdivided and sellable

1972
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:47,280
may be able to hire. It must be
municipal real estate firm

1973
02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:54,319
» that I guess what I'm wondering is if if
the CEDs has any role in that if that

1974
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:57,640
needs to be factored into
their workload,

1975
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:09,680
you know, going out
meeting with potential businesses and

1976
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:14,399
encouraging you to come. I I don't know
>> potentially. Yeah.

1977
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:18,720
» Obviously, if we sell it, we don't have
to pay the real estate agent, but they

1978
02:40:16,319 --> 02:40:24,160
might sell quicker if you have the local
representatives u in a state house for

1979
02:40:22,319 --> 02:40:26,960
our area. I mean, you know, if a
business

1980
02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:31,120
» if a business is talking about expanding
or talking about relocating to Vermont

1981
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:34,640
and you know, who could be somebody in
Montpillier that would say, "Hey, come

1982
02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:36,399
to Johnson. This is what we have."
>> Rich Westman.

1983
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:40,880
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Richie's blessed in the Senate.

1984
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:45,920
» Yeah, state senator representative
Richard Bailey.

1985
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:49,280
» Bailey in the house.
>> Once once we get the industrial fire

1986
02:40:47,439 --> 02:40:51,840
topping going or if we've identified
another piece of property, you know, it

1987
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:58,000
might be worth having a conversation
with them. And you know, does the state

1988
02:40:54,640 --> 02:41:00,960
of Vermont have any kind of agency um
you know, that would work with the

1989
02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:06,359
business?
>> I think they I think they're quite

1990
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:06,359
behind that project.

1991
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:15,359
Uh, this doesn't help us zero in on
anything, but um,

1992
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:19,520
» but I mean, we could read it, read it up
and mark it up and I can make

1993
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:27,840
adjustments and get it ready for the
next meeting. I'm um so I'm still

1994
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:32,000
traumatized by the by the fact that the
community economic development

1995
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:38,399
specialist is not working under the
direction of the county administrator.

1996
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:42,800
Um but I would love to see in the first
paragraph

1997
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:48,160
um responsible for managing grants
projects and working with municipal

1998
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:54,080
committees and the select board to
support business. I would love to

1999
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:58,160
include the town administrator in that.
>> No pressure.

2000
02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:03,439
» And also in the next paragraph,
collaboration with the select board,

2001
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:07,720
nonprofits, municipal committee members
of the town administrator

2002
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:13,680
and that will help me deal with the
trauma.

2003
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:18,240
» Okay. I know when uh we talked about the
organization chart at the previous

2004
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:21,920
meeting, they had the position reporting
directly to the board.

2005
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:25,600
» So that's that's what I
>> Right.

2006
02:42:22,319 --> 02:42:30,560
» Yeah. Yeah. And that was the decision
that was made. So I'm just I'm just

2007
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:35,680
putting in a little that's all.
>> No, two knife. You know, that that was

2008
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:38,479
my purpose of presenting it tonight was,
you know, mark it up. uh tell me what

2009
02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:42,080
you want to see, what you don't want to
see, and we'll put together something

2010
02:42:40,399 --> 02:42:46,960
hopefully for the next meeting the board
can approve.

2011
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:50,880
» Well,
sounds like we still need you on this.

2012
02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:53,880
» Yeah,
>> unfortunately.

2013
02:42:54,880 --> 02:43:00,399
» Well, do you have anything that you want
to I wrote a whole bunch of notes, but I

2014
02:42:58,880 --> 02:43:04,760
didn't like any of them. Not not really
sure where to go with it because I think

2015
02:43:05,680 --> 02:43:13,680
it seems like we really do need to focus
on a five-year plan and I don't know how

2016
02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:18,240
this person fits into that exactly.
Seems like that's maybe more of our job.

2017
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:24,160
Um,
>> let's create a five-year plan.

2018
02:43:20,399 --> 02:43:27,359
» Us create a five-year plan or what?
>> Yeah.

2019
02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:33,280
» Oh, okay.
>> Just high level one. Mhm.

2020
02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:37,280
» Yeah. I don't see why we couldn't.
>> Just what? Yeah. I mean, serious.

2021
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:42,319
» What's the vision for now?
>> What would you like to see upgraded?

2022
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:47,000
» I think you need that.
>> My fiveyear plan, these chairs are new.

2023
02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:56,160
» Write that down.
>> Well, okay. So, if we do the fiveyear

2024
02:43:51,760 --> 02:44:01,040
plan on our own, then that doesn't need
to be worked on by them. It's just a

2025
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:03,279
guide for them, right?
>> Yeah. It would to me it would be the

2026
02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:06,880
guide for
>> Yeah. We can't do a fiveear plan on our

2027
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:11,439
own. Making a fiveear plan is townwide
effort.

2028
02:44:08,399 --> 02:44:14,479
» We just write it then
>> I'm fine.

2029
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:18,399
» Back to our projects and priorities list
that we had.

2030
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:22,960
» Uh can we go back to it? Yeah. I think
it's something we should reevaluate each

2031
02:44:20,399 --> 02:44:25,120
» cuz we kind of we had scored sets
things.

2032
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:29,680
» Mhm.
>> Oh, we did that prioritization. Yeah.

2033
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:32,399
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2034
02:44:31,359 --> 02:44:35,120
Um,
>> do you want me to add that for the March

2035
02:44:33,840 --> 02:44:38,800
19th meeting?
>> I know you said the meeting before town

2036
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:45,439
meeting. We try to keep that schedule
light as light as possible.

2037
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:48,439
» After town meeting that we don't
>> orization

2038
02:44:50,880 --> 02:44:54,319
meeting,
>> huh?

2039
02:44:52,399 --> 02:44:57,920
» Have a meeting a day after town meeting.
>> Yes. Is it the day after the day after?

2040
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:00,560
» Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah.

2041
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,000
Is that
>> now? We won't have a quorum of the

2042
02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:10,160
board. We
>> won't be here. But what when?

2043
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:14,960
» I guess you'll swear them in
cuz there only be two returning members.

2044
02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:20,040
» Who's not coming back?
>> Well, they all knew. It's just the same

2045
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:20,040
person.

2046
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:28,080
» What are you talking about? Well,
technically speaking, the day after

2047
02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:32,160
» coming back, three of us will be new.
>> Yeah.

2048
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:35,600
» Assuming we like this one.
>> Oh, I first said we do.

2049
02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:38,640
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's the first thing we do.

2050
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:41,840
Yeah.
>> Be fun if we didn't do it and then we

2051
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:46,399
couldn't make any decisions.
>> Wouldn't that be fun now? Yeah.

2052
02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:52,800
» So, you're thinking about should it be
just a grant writer or a CEDS? Is that

2053
02:45:49,359 --> 02:45:57,760
what the debate is for all of us?
My larger internal debate

2054
02:45:55,279 --> 02:46:01,200
» is do we rethink the whole thing?
>> Do we rethink the whole thing?

2055
02:45:59,359 --> 02:46:02,560
» The whole thing.
>> Um

2056
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:08,080
» yeah.
>> And maybe hire

2057
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:14,479
an assistant to the town administrator
to deal with some other things and then

2058
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:20,800
plow it on top of the town administrator
if he's willing or you know some version

2059
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:25,279
of that. Is this what why what
>> like if there if there's just

2060
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:30,160
administrative tasks that are you know
busy work

2061
02:46:27,760 --> 02:46:34,240
if there was somebody to take work off
this is just a random example here.

2062
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:38,399
Okay.
>> If we could take some busy work off of

2063
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:45,680
John's plate and he was willing to take
over some of the CEDS roles and we could

2064
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:48,720
hire LCPC or a grant writer on as needed
basis.

2065
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:51,880
I don't know if a model like that would
look better.

2066
02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:58,000
» Sorry, I need to call you out.
>> No, I mean, and uh I know Mike talked to

2067
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:02,560
me about it and you and I talked about
it. Uh I did talk to Carl, you know, he

2068
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:07,439
said his weeks have been averaging
between 8 and 15 hours. And one of the

2069
02:47:05,359 --> 02:47:11,279
things he noted was, you know, if I took
some of the groundwork from him and he

2070
02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:16,160
didn't have to come up as much, uh he
might be willing to stay on a little bit

2071
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:20,200
longer. So, you know, I told him I'd be
willing to do that if he needed.

2072
02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:29,040
» I mean, it's funny because the report
that um Carrie Johnson did, there are

2073
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:34,960
certain things that I like could not
understand her recommendation on, but

2074
02:47:31,760 --> 02:47:37,359
this wasn't really one of them.
She

2075
02:47:36,479 --> 02:47:41,680
» Yeah.
>> And I talked to her at length about it.

2076
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:46,000
She said, "You know, you're too small of
a community to need

2077
02:47:44,080 --> 02:47:51,359
you know, an employee for community and
economic development. You need to

2078
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:56,720
empower some of your existing employees
to grow and do some of it and then hire

2079
02:47:54,000 --> 02:48:01,800
grant writers or planners on that needed
needed basis.

2080
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:01,800
The contractual

2081
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:11,840
» I don't remember what her recommendation
was. Is that it or what? What did you

2082
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:16,319
» our re written recommendations?
>> I think she just kept the CEDS role in

2083
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:18,720
there because we never talked about
asked her if you should have it or not

2084
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:23,359
have it.
>> The majority of her written portion.

2085
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:29,640
Yeah. Focused around just basically
doing a town manager structure of

2086
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:29,640
government

2087
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:36,160
employee. That one.
>> Well, she didn't give any supporting

2088
02:48:34,479 --> 02:48:42,800
evidence really.
So we have skaked around that that no at

2089
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:48,160
other times of
an assistant to the town administrator.

2090
02:48:46,479 --> 02:48:53,359
» I don't really know if there's enough
busy work to I I don't

2091
02:48:51,600 --> 02:48:59,600
it's another random idea. If we're just
going to hire for sets,

2092
02:48:56,640 --> 02:49:04,160
I'm fine with this job description.
I understand there is a need to work

2093
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:09,920
with committees. My overall comment is I
don't want the work for committees to

2094
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:13,840
drown out some long-term growth. Both
like you're saying.

2095
02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:19,040
» Yeah.
>> And right now we're working with 24

2096
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:22,319
hours a week.
>> We're working with a dollar amount. If

2097
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:26,200
it's less per hour, we could be working
with 40. Although

2098
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:29,800
I don't know.

2099
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:36,960
Well, we could just do 38 if we are
going to do benefits or whatever, but

2100
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:38,479
» no, we're required to offer benefits of
24 hours.

2101
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:45,600
» Oh, really?
>> And fulltime full-time benefits is

2102
02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:50,640
prrated at 30 hours. So, really from 30
hours to 40 hours. The only additional

2103
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:53,600
employee cost is just their hourly wage
because we pay 100% of the benefits at

2104
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:58,760
30 hours.
>> Okay. So, so just fulltime fine. Okay.

2105
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:08,000
Is that a state law or is that just a
here thing?

2106
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:12,880
» Affordable Care Act.
>> Is that what it is?

2107
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:15,760
» For health insurance is 30 hours.
>> Mine was 32.

2108
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:18,160
» Yeah.
>> But

2109
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:21,840
» how'd that work? Our rec coordinator one
year was 24 hours and got health

2110
02:50:20,560 --> 02:50:25,840
insurance.
>> They paid

2111
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:31,520
» and assistant li Yeah. Abortion
prorated. My assistant librarian was

2112
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:37,760
23.75 hours.
>> Didn't at a town meeting though

2113
02:50:34,560 --> 02:50:41,200
the voters voted for a CEDS position
>> for sure.

2114
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:44,479
» Actually two.
>> Was it advisory or

2115
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» No.
>> Well, it was money. So it bound the

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voters to pay us money to do it.
>> So aren't we bound to have this

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position?
>> Not at all.

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» Are we not bound to? No,
not

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there's no statutory requirement from
state. We're bound to a dollar amount at

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the end of the day.
>> But we are asking the voters for

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permission to spend x amount of dollars
on CDS position.

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» Certainly don't.
>> Oops.

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» You broke my glasses.
>> Must be getting away throwing things.

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» I'm not saying don't hire.
Yeah, you are. You're saying hire an

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assistant. I don't admit it.
>> Well,

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could we sum it up in saying that
I'm just trying to think if there is a

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way outside of the box to get the same
services with a different structure,

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fine. If there's not, that's fine, too.
Well, I guess no offense, John, but I

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think the hiring process
for a town administrator would have gone

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differently for me if I knew we were
hiring a grant writer, like or you know,

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like more of that side.
>> Fair enough.

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» So,
not that I don't think you could do it,

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but
>> Right. I mean, I've done grants before.

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» Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
I

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» think we're getting nowhere.
Rosemary agrees with me. It's

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» It's time to hold. All right. Some more
chew on.

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We all good.
>> Yeah. Come next time. Come with what you

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actually want.
>> Meeting at Jared at 9:30.