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Yeah But we're not
taking any questions

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on this If you
continue to interrupt,

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you're going to be removed
So respect the decorum.

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Please.

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Here I have a hearing
from Well, you're

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welcome to move your
chair up closer,

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but we're not
interrupting the meeting.

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Let's let's let's respect
everybody else in here.

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The folks are talking up here,
but we're getting out of line.

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All right.

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Continue please.

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Chad I guess my
question would be what?

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I mean, you want to look at
this over this year time period

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that we're looking at.

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You know, to do this
research So what

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does this time frame look
like that we would compile

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this committee of sorts?

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Because as are we
wanting this to be

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in conjunction
with that year time

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frame that he's
making reference.

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I don't think i wasn't
suggesting that it had to be.

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I just, you know, we have
a proposal in front of us.

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If it takes longer or
less time, I I would

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I don't think that it's that it
should be time certain I mean

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I guess I'm not saying
I don't trust our staff,

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but how are You going to
pick six people and not

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and have that be random unless
you're going to draw names out

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of a hat because you're
going to know if someone's

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for it or against it.

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I could pick six
people right now.

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That'd be great with it.

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That's not right
Because I'm pretty

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sure six people in this
room would be against it So

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how do you find how
are you going to keep

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that biased or unbiased?

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So when I look at it
from a staff perspective,

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us as a council up here
vote 98% at a time of staff

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recommendation So what's
your what you're saying

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is you don't trust
the staff is kind

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of what I'm getting at here.

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I did not say that.

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I didn't.

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That's kind of what
we're in situate into.

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The way I look at staff
not put words in my mouth.

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Please.

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I did not say, Well,
you just saying,

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how do we trust the staff?

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I did not say that
The staff gives

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us recommendation and guidance.

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That's not what I
said If you don't

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want to go forward with this it
would be an advisory committee.

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It would not take away your
discretion at the end of the day

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to make right decisions.

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And regulations.

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We're going to need even
with an advisory committee,

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you're going to need
assistance of staff

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to help draft regulations.

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It would it would be a process
just to provide recommendations

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and information to you.

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We could do our best to
set out the types of folks

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that you might want to
sit on this committee

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if you want them to have
education or no education.

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I mean, that that's all
within your protocol.

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But i just want you to know
that it won't take off.

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At the end of the day,
They're not going to be

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the final decision makers.

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They're just going to be
providing education If you

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want to go forward with this.

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I think one of the other things
that I heard from marin Council

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was if you want to
create this commission

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or this committee, what
we could actually do

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is probably establish some
sort of survey asking people

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exactly what their perspective
or their preferences on data

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centers So we do get
a good cross-section

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of perspectives on this topic.

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So that we can listen and learn
hopefully about what's going on

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and take all of that
information and you know,

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there may there may be
some other activities that

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that committee decides to do.

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But what we can
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can collect that data for
them and present it to them.

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So that they can make the best
decision or recommendation to

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the council for final decision.

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Matt, do you feel that Six
would be too small or 6.

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A good number ?

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I I don't know that answer.

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I mean, I I ideally,
you want to find

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somebody that really
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know much about data centers.

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I'd, I'd say probably
a good candidate,

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but I'm not going to be
involved in that You know

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But people that don't have
a bias One way or another

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that at the end of the
day, I mean as a staff,

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we're here to serve Right.

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That's why we're here We we take
the opinions of the community.

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We take the direction
of the council.

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And we carry that out.

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That's our responsibility
Our responsibility is not

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to get emotionally involved
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process of the governing
body All right.

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Six might be the
right answer Now

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I shudder to think
that more than ten,

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but I think you do need a
good cross-section of pro con

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and probably understand
guided that need to take

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the information excuse me.

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Take that information
and come to a conclusion

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to as to as to what they think
is best for the community

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probably more more than likely.

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Thou art is better
than even in the case

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that we have a split
decision and probably

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probably if you have
I do you probably

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want to try to keep as
many undecided or unknowing

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individuals about the
topic would be primary

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So then I'll reverse
the question.

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The council does council
think that the six or if we go

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with an odd number,
7 or 9 or something,

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what number feels good ?

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I still think it should be
left up to the citizens.

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I do.

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It's their property They.

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They live in this town.

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I've lived here Not as
long as Chad or Jessie.

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I've lived here 26 years.

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But even people coming in,
they bought property here

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and they should have a right
to say whether they get to hear

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the noise breathe, the
pollution, whatever I don't even

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think six people whether
they're four against it,

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how you're going to do that.

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And bring it back to us, for
us to decide when, if we just

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listen to our citizens, we
would we would have that answer

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if we listened to the citizens.

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Right now, you would
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If you've looked online
is social media at all?

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I have not heard very
many people for it.

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So why are we not
listening to the citizens

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instead of creating
a committee just

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to kick the can down the road,
to have somebody that possibly

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pushes those people that are
on there to magically get

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some good news through
there that somebody believes

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and then it's i don't know.

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Well, there's over
20,000 residents in this

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community So I think
we've got to look at it

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from a bigger perspective.

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Let them vote on
the ballot in 2020.

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But yeah, this is a
tough one, right So

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and I'm trying to scope my brain
around the agenda item, which

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is the committee I have
definitely comments

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for ordinance number eight
when we get to that piece

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But the committee itself,
I've been part of a lot

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of committees over the years.

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I'm sorry, early public
arts and several of them.

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I do agree that if we move
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I think having an odd
number is recommended

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and a smaller number
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ten just because then we get
too much Where I'm hearing Diane

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is of the need
for the committee.

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The need for the
committee was based off

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the idea of ordinance
number eight,

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which is establish a moratorium.

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But assured in hearing
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This committee will
also just like we've

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done in other committees, will
establish communication plans

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with the citizens that
could be you know,

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that could be in their charge.
that could be one thing

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that they come up and
they want to do Maybe they

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want to do the
barbecue days or trick

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or treat street and get feedback
directly from the citizens.

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That's going to be
with the committee.

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Some of the committee decisions
So it's not that we can't have

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20,000 people doing it.

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But then again, we
get all the data,

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we get all the information from
The committee and the citizens

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It gets really reviewed.

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And again, we we don't have to
make a decision The moratorium.

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And Abby, correct
me if I'm wrong,

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we have moratoriums and
other things They can't just

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come in her bill without our
approval we have had more times

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for other things that we had
a short oil and gas moratorium

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and we had a moratorium
water dedication.

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Since I've been here What's
your question exactly?

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I think that if somebody brought
forth an application for a data

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center based on My understanding
from the work session,

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is it would be considered
under the code right now.

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Correct.

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Unless we do the
moratorium would pause

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that for 12 months, Correct.

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They would not be
able to get that move

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through because it's arbitrary.

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If you all choose to adopt.

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Correct.

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So I just want to clarify that.

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And the committee, if they
say we need more time,

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there's more time If
the committee also

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says it needs to go to the
ballot that's the information

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we want to hear
from the citizen.

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So those are the
kind of, I guess,

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all the talking points
that I'm hearing

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that I'm you want to
make sure it's very

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clear to everybody tonight.

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We're not saying at
least I'm not saying we

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don't hear from the citizens.

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It's been very light full
hearing from the citizens

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We're not saying we're doing
anything at this point.

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We still have a public
hearing that we have to do.

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And we're not
saying that if we do

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a moratorium, if we
do nothing, there is

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a risk that they could come in.

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But if we do a moratorium,
they can't come in.

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If we ban it, they can't come
in So that's what we can do

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But again, I don't think
we're there yet as far as

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making that final decision on.

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We just keep a
moratorium forever

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and we have marijuana right
now is a moratorium forever.

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But I mean, we haven't i mean,
it's until somebody can write it

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well, but then that
comes to a vote

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against it's not just they
can't build something downtown

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So I think we have we
have protections in place.

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We just don't have all
the information in.

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And.

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That's right.

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One information.

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I think there are some
smart people out here that

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know a lot more about
this stuff than us

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And I'd love to hear from them
both on all sides of the fence.

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As you said So that's
why I think establishing

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a committee would
help do it is not,

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I think, all inclusive
to the seven people

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or whatever we decide Megan what
would be the next opportunity

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if if we chose to
put it to a vote

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We were told last week
that the next opportunity

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after this November
would be April of 2028.

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Is that still true?

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Mayor Duncan and Council member
If you are looking at a tabor

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question, sales tax
something like that, that

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is correct because
sales tax questions

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can only be coordinated or put
on our regular municipal ballot.

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If you are looking to ask
a question of the community

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and that is not a Tabor
question the council

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can coordinate with the
counties for a November election

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at that time frame is
very tight right now,

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but you could look at 2027
in November, but actually

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and this council
also has the ability

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to call a special election
if they choose to.

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And refer a measure to
the public at any time,

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as long as it's not a
Tabor question okay.

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Thank you.

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I was not aware of
how that worked.

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And I appreciate you telling us.

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Thank you Again, Meghan, at what
cost for that special election?

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Sure.

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So generally coordinated
elections and and,

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you know, Weld
County is very clear.

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Right. $2 a voter is what
we pay larimer County.

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It's based on ballot size.

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How many other municipalities
are coordinating And so, you

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know, we estimate for a
coordinated election 40

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to 50,000 to do that election
coordinated with the counties

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are our last election
that we just did in April

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And that election was 35,000.

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The council should
note that there

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were two two
different ballots that

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went out because of the DDA.

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So that did change it a
little bit in my estimation,

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between 25 and 30,000 at
today's cost today would be what

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it would cost for
my office to do

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an election for the town Yeah.

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So as you guys want to do 11
on the advisory board, given it

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that odd number or Seven
good What's everybody

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feeling I have no preference.

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I'm fine with either way.

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Just curious what
everybody else thought.

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Oh, Chad i would think 7
would be enough but I don't.

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I don't have an opinion.

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One way or the other.

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I do think I'd numbers
better, but I don't.

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I don't care what number
it is, the more you add,

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the more complex it gets
for the staff as well too.

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Sure.

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So I'm thinking 7 would be a
prime number for me to recommend

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OK And thank you, Damien, for
explaining that a little better

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All right.

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Any further deliberation before
I make a motion with that,

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I move to establish a Johnstown
Data Center Advisory committee

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consisting of seven
Johnstown residents selected

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through an open
application process

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and one town staff
member to provide

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administrative oversight.

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The committee should operate
independently of the town

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council, evaluate all aspects
of potential data center

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development including
land use, infrastructure

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environmental impacts, public
safety, potential regulations

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to receive public
and expert input

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and submit a written report
with recommendations including

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proposed regulations,
development standards

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01:17:06,888 --> 01:17:14,058
to the Town Council or with a
date to be determined The all

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right, Well article
in a motion by myself,

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01:17:16,038 --> 01:17:46,189
seconded by Council member
Bashford, we put it to electric.

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Preliminary plat and rezone
seven Alpha Resolution number

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2020 6-35 approve a preliminary
plat to White House a division

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following number two, then
seven Bravo ordinance 2020 62-29

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for approving rezoning
a real property

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known as the White subdivision
Finally, number two.

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With that, I go and ask
for a staff report To

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and Megan will have a vote on
all three of those resolutions

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separately.

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The two that are before us.

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Duncan Yes.

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OK Thank you Good evening.

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01:18:46,999 --> 01:18:48,739
Mayor Duncan and
council members.

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01:18:48,739 --> 01:18:52,069
My name's Aubrey Flores, planner
one with the town of Johnstown

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01:18:52,069 --> 01:18:58,309
And I'm just trying to get my
slide show on to the screen

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01:18:58,309 --> 01:19:00,829
Maybe it's coming
to your rescue.

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01:19:00,829 --> 01:19:08,239
Thank you, Mike Okay Thank you.

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01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:09,799
Thank you.

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01:19:09,799 --> 01:19:10,939
Here we go.

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Tonight, I'll be presenting Two
applications for the property

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known as White Hall.

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01:19:15,259 --> 01:19:18,619
A preliminary plat and a
reason these applicant ations

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were submitted and reviewed
concurrently under the town's

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01:19:21,349 --> 01:19:23,149
land use and development code.

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01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:28,010
The subject property is
approximately 163.34 acres.

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01:19:28,010 --> 01:19:29,929
And as you can see
on the vicinity map

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provided it is located north
of Weld County Road 46 west

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of Colorado Boulevard south
of the Clearview neighborhood

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and east of unincorporated
weld County.

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01:19:40,699 --> 01:19:43,579
The property was annexed
into the town in 2021

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01:19:43,579 --> 01:19:46,309
through the Whitehall
annexation At that time,

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01:19:46,309 --> 01:19:48,469
the property was zoned
planned unit development,

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01:19:48,469 --> 01:19:51,019
mixed use or Puti MOU.

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01:19:51,019 --> 01:19:53,539
There were no zoning
documents created or approved

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for the property at that
time Also in 2021, Whitehall

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01:19:57,289 --> 01:19:58,879
filing number one was approved.

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01:19:58,879 --> 01:20:00,919
This subdivision
created the parcel.

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You can see around the orange
for Roosevelt High School It was

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01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:09,829
constructed a few years later
The current applications

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represent the next phase of
development for the remaining

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01:20:12,529 --> 01:20:13,999
Whitehall property.

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So the applicant tonight
is requesting approval

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of a preliminary plot I'll
be showing you the plot later

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01:20:20,269 --> 01:20:22,879
in my presentation portion, but
it would subdivide the property

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01:20:22,879 --> 01:20:26,749
into seven tracts to outline
it and the associated public

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01:20:26,749 --> 01:20:28,789
right away that
outlets are intended

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01:20:28,789 --> 01:20:31,009
for open space
drainage detention

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01:20:31,009 --> 01:20:33,109
and utility infrastructure.

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01:20:33,109 --> 01:20:35,959
The proposed right away
establishes the future street

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01:20:35,959 --> 01:20:38,719
network through the property
and provides connectivity

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01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:40,609
to the surrounding areas.

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01:20:40,609 --> 01:20:43,309
The applicant tonight is
also requesting a reason

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01:20:43,309 --> 01:20:46,609
to replace the existing PD
zoning with a combination

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01:20:46,609 --> 01:20:49,909
of standard zoning districts
found within our land

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use undeveloped met code.

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01:20:51,529 --> 01:20:53,419
Our two mixed
density neighborhood

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01:20:53,419 --> 01:20:55,399
our three high
density neighborhood

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01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:59,539
mNC mixed use neighborhood
commercial and MRC mixed

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01:20:59,539 --> 01:21:01,369
use Regional commercial.

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The intent of the
proposed zoning framework

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is to establish a transition
of development intensity

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01:21:06,679 --> 01:21:10,069
across the property with
lower density residential uses

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01:21:10,069 --> 01:21:13,579
to the West and increased
opportunities for mixed use

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01:21:13,579 --> 01:21:16,789
and commercial development
Closer to Colorado Boulevard.

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01:21:16,789 --> 01:21:19,879
So this proposal was
reviewed for consistency

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01:21:19,879 --> 01:21:23,719
with the comprehend the plan,
which you can see on the screen

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And it was found that the
proposed zoning framework aligns

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01:21:26,389 --> 01:21:29,749
with the future land use
designations for the property So

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01:21:29,749 --> 01:21:32,089
as shown on the
future land use map,

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01:21:32,089 --> 01:21:33,529
the eastern portion
of the property

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01:21:33,529 --> 01:21:36,799
is designated medium
density slash intensity,

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01:21:36,799 --> 01:21:39,979
while the western portion is
designated low density slash

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01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:43,669
intensity The proposed
zoning also supports the town

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01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:46,219
goals related to the
housing affordability plan

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01:21:46,219 --> 01:21:50,239
by providing a wide range of
housing for diverse individuals

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01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:54,049
neighborhood connectivity and
access to service and amenities

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01:21:54,049 --> 01:21:56,869
The applications are consistent
with the comprehensive plan,

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including goal L1,

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01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:01,024
which seeks to ensure that
neighborhood character

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01:22:01,024 --> 01:22:02,599
and amenities
contribute to the health

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01:22:02,599 --> 01:22:06,199
and well-being of a
diverse range of residents.

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So the following slide
shows the existing zoning

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and the surrounding
land uses as well,

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which are generally residential
to the north and east

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and agricultural to
the west and the south.

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The areas shown in gray are
located within an incorporated

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01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:24,409
Weld County, while the colored
areas are properties annexed

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01:22:24,409 --> 01:22:26,479
into the town of Johnstown.

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01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,179
Given this context, the
proposed zoning framework

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was designed to create a
transition in intensity areas

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01:22:32,179 --> 01:22:34,429
across the property.

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01:22:34,429 --> 01:22:38,299
Moving to the proposed
zoning map as you can see,

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01:22:38,299 --> 01:22:40,909
the districts generally
increase in intensity from west

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01:22:40,909 --> 01:22:44,629
to east, allowing Colorado
Boulevard to serve as a corridor

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01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:47,509
for supporting the higher
density development

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01:22:47,509 --> 01:22:50,029
So a helpful way to
think about the proposal

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01:22:50,029 --> 01:22:52,429
is a progression from homes
on the West to mixed use

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01:22:52,429 --> 01:22:55,718
residential areas in the center
that provide the neighborhood

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01:22:55,718 --> 01:22:58,069
services on the East.

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01:22:58,069 --> 01:23:00,529
Are two district supports
a variety of housing types

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01:23:00,529 --> 01:23:04,909
in a lower density neighborhood
While our three dense district

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01:23:04,909 --> 01:23:08,269
increases residential density
near commercial areas,

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01:23:08,269 --> 01:23:11,119
helping support local businesses
by providing residents

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01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:13,999
within walking
distance of services,

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01:23:13,999 --> 01:23:16,969
the M20 District provides
opportunities for neighborhoods

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01:23:16,969 --> 01:23:19,477
serving uses, such as
restaurants, personal services

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01:23:19,477 --> 01:23:22,789
and small offices, while also
allowing residential uses

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01:23:22,789 --> 01:23:25,163
like duplex Is and townhomes.

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01:23:25,163 --> 01:23:28,139
The mRC district provides
opportunities for larger

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01:23:28,139 --> 01:23:31,099
community, serving uses
such as recreation centers,

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01:23:31,099 --> 01:23:33,259
while remaining connected
to surrounding neighborhoods

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01:23:33,259 --> 01:23:38,179
through sidewalks and trails
OK, so a significant feature

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01:23:38,179 --> 01:23:40,459
of the proposal is the
planned connectivity

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01:23:40,459 --> 01:23:41,569
through the property.

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01:23:41,569 --> 01:23:44,509
So as you can see on the
preliminary plat on this slide,

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01:23:44,509 --> 01:23:48,829
it includes an east west Trail
corridor, which includes a ditch

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01:23:48,829 --> 01:23:53,119
realignment intended for future
multi-use trail integration

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01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:55,699
This connection will
provide future connectivity

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01:23:55,699 --> 01:23:58,789
to Roosevelt High School and
surrounding neighborhoods.

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01:23:58,789 --> 01:24:01,549
The Street Network is is
coordinated with surrounding

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01:24:01,549 --> 01:24:04,909
development and future final
plat applications will refine

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01:24:04,909 --> 01:24:07,459
the timing and sequencing of
roadway and infrastructure

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01:24:07,459 --> 01:24:08,179
improvements.

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01:24:08,179 --> 01:24:12,409
Both colorado Road and County
Road 46 will be required to be

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01:24:12,409 --> 01:24:16,369
improved as part of the plan
application A neighborhood

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01:24:16,369 --> 01:24:21,829
meeting was held on May 12th at
the Johnstown yMCA and this year

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01:24:21,829 --> 01:24:24,769
15 people attended it,
including residents,

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01:24:24,769 --> 01:24:27,619
town staff and representatives
of the applicant

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01:24:27,619 --> 01:24:31,939
Discussion focused primarily
on road facing traffic impacts.

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01:24:31,939 --> 01:24:35,989
Utility extensions feature lane
uses football stadium noise

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01:24:35,989 --> 01:24:38,359
at the high school
housing projections

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01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:41,089
and access along County Road 46.

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01:24:41,089 --> 01:24:42,409
Notice of the
neighborhood meeting

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01:24:42,409 --> 01:24:44,569
was mailed to all
property owners within 800

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01:24:44,569 --> 01:24:47,749
for the property published
in the Johnstown Breeze

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01:24:47,749 --> 01:24:50,323
and posted on the site in
Three different locations.

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01:24:50,323 --> 01:24:53,149
For tonight's hearing,
public notice was published

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01:24:53,149 --> 01:24:55,839
in the Johnstown Breeze
on June 25th, 2026,

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01:24:55,839 --> 01:24:57,889
and mailed notice was
again, provided to all

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01:24:57,889 --> 01:25:00,829
property owners within 800ft.

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01:25:00,829 --> 01:25:01,734
Stick with me.

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01:25:01,734 --> 01:25:05,659
I'm going to be listing the
staff findings addressing

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01:25:05,659 --> 01:25:09,073
the criteria for a preliminary
plat pursuant to section 17

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01:25:09,073 --> 01:25:15,379
DoorDash 2-2 of the land use
and development Code so that

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01:25:15,379 --> 01:25:18,878
Preliminar pre plat proposes a
subdivision of the 163.34 acre

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01:25:18,878 --> 01:25:23,770
property into seven tracts,
two out lots in Associated

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01:25:23,770 --> 01:25:25,069
Round-Up right of way.

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01:25:25,069 --> 01:25:29,227
So from the land use and
Development code the first item.

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The first criteria is that the
application is in accordance

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01:25:32,299 --> 01:25:34,554
with the comprehensive
plan and in particular,

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01:25:34,554 --> 01:25:38,659
the physical development
patterns and concepts of a plan.

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01:25:38,659 --> 01:25:41,989
So the application complies
with the comprehensive plan,

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01:25:41,989 --> 01:25:44,989
particularly the development
patterns and concepts related

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01:25:44,989 --> 01:25:46,579
to planned residential
and mixed use

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01:25:46,579 --> 01:25:49,159
development transportation,
connectivity

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01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:50,929
and neighborhood scale design.

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01:25:50,929 --> 01:25:53,659
The next criteria is that the
development and infrastructure

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01:25:53,659 --> 01:25:55,219
are arranged in a
manner to minimize

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01:25:55,219 --> 01:25:57,169
impacts on geologic hazards.

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01:25:57,169 --> 01:26:00,019
Environmentally sensitive areas,
wildlife, habitat or other

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01:26:00,019 --> 01:26:02,389
natural features of the land.

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01:26:02,389 --> 01:26:04,369
So the development
and infrastructure

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01:26:04,369 --> 01:26:07,399
are arranged to minimize
impacts on geologic hazards,

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01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:10,521
environmentally sensitive areas
and other natural features.

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01:26:10,521 --> 01:26:14,539
To the extent
applicable to the site

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01:26:14,539 --> 01:26:16,399
No significant
constraints have been

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01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:18,229
identified that would
prevent development

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01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:20,509
and the proposed configuration.

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01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:23,329
The next criteria is that the
arrangement and proposed design

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01:26:23,329 --> 01:26:25,969
of streets open space and blocks
meet the development and design

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01:26:25,969 --> 01:26:28,399
standards of this code
and are coordinated

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01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:30,769
with the existing or
potential development

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01:26:30,769 --> 01:26:32,269
on adjacent property.

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01:26:32,269 --> 01:26:35,059
So the arrangement and proposed
design of streets, open space

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01:26:35,059 --> 01:26:37,729
and box meet applicable
development and design standards

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01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:40,369
and are coordinated with
existing and future development

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01:26:40,369 --> 01:26:42,109
on adjacent
properties, including

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01:26:42,109 --> 01:26:43,789
connections to
surrounding residential

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01:26:43,789 --> 01:26:46,069
and aggregate natural areas.

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01:26:46,069 --> 01:26:48,739
The next criteria is that the
proposed blocks and lots are

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01:26:48,739 --> 01:26:51,169
capable of meeting all
development and site design

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01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:53,479
standards of the
applicable zoning district

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01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,699
So the proposed blocks
are capable of meaning

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01:26:55,699 --> 01:26:58,069
all development and
site design standards,

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01:26:58,069 --> 01:27:00,376
which will be further reviewed
at the time of final part.

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01:27:00,376 --> 01:27:04,069
And site specific development
applications Next one

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01:27:04,069 --> 01:27:05,667
is that the application
demonstrates

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01:27:05,667 --> 01:27:08,028
preliminary feasibility
of being able to meet

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01:27:08,028 --> 01:27:10,804
the design, construction
performance, and maintenance

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01:27:10,804 --> 01:27:14,599
requirements for all required
improvements in this application

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01:27:14,599 --> 01:27:17,869
and demonstrates preliminary
feasibility of meeting design,

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01:27:17,869 --> 01:27:20,419
construction performance
and maintenance requirements

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01:27:20,419 --> 01:27:22,579
for required
improvements, including

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01:27:22,579 --> 01:27:26,479
streets, utilities, drainage
and open space infrastructure.

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01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,299
The next criteria is that
phasing is clearly indicated

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01:27:29,299 --> 01:27:31,729
and demonstrates a logical
and coordinated approach

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01:27:31,729 --> 01:27:34,125
to development and
the timing, location,

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01:27:34,125 --> 01:27:37,279
and construction of amenities
is consistent throughout phases.

496
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:39,229
So future development
will continue

497
01:27:39,229 --> 01:27:42,499
to be refined through subsequent
final plat application, which

498
01:27:42,499 --> 01:27:44,839
will establish
timing infrastructure

499
01:27:44,839 --> 01:27:47,479
sequencing and amenities.

500
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,169
The last.

501
01:27:48,169 --> 01:27:50,389
The next point is that
any impacts identified

502
01:27:50,389 --> 01:27:53,749
by specific studies
or technical reports

503
01:27:53,749 --> 01:27:56,452
are mitigated with generally
accepted in sound planning,

504
01:27:56,452 --> 01:27:58,909
engineering, and
urban design solutions

505
01:27:58,909 --> 01:28:01,519
Any impacts identified
through technical reports,

506
01:28:01,519 --> 01:28:04,429
including stormwater analysis,
are proposed to be mitigated

507
01:28:04,429 --> 01:28:06,859
through engineering
review to ensure long term

508
01:28:06,859 --> 01:28:10,699
function of the development
The next criteria

509
01:28:10,699 --> 01:28:13,519
part of the preliminary plat is
that the design does not impede

510
01:28:13,519 --> 01:28:15,679
the construction of
anticipated or planned

511
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,979
future public infrastructure
or other development within the

512
01:28:18,979 --> 01:28:19,729
area.

513
01:28:19,729 --> 01:28:22,579
And the design does not
impede planned or anticipated

514
01:28:22,579 --> 01:28:24,829
public infrastructure,
including transportation

515
01:28:24,829 --> 01:28:26,689
and trail connections.

516
01:28:26,689 --> 01:28:29,659
The last criteria is that
the plot has addressed issues

517
01:28:29,659 --> 01:28:32,539
of professional staff or any
other public entity or review

518
01:28:32,539 --> 01:28:36,049
agencies as to officially
review the preliminary plat

519
01:28:36,049 --> 01:28:38,659
So the application has
been reviewed by town staff

520
01:28:38,659 --> 01:28:41,269
and applicable review agencies,
and revisions have been

521
01:28:41,269 --> 01:28:45,709
incorporated to address comments
So next i'm going to be moving

522
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:48,349
into the staff findings
addressing the criteria

523
01:28:48,349 --> 01:28:50,299
for a rezoning
pursuant to section

524
01:28:50,299 --> 01:28:54,859
17 dash 2-3.B of the Land
Use and Development Code.

525
01:28:54,859 --> 01:28:58,429
So staff reviewed the proposed
zoning against each criteria

526
01:28:58,429 --> 01:29:02,239
required by the code I'm going
to list the following findings

527
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,040
demonstrating how the
proposed rezoning meets

528
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,349
the applicable required meets.

529
01:29:06,349 --> 01:29:08,449
Point number one is that
the rezoning furthers

530
01:29:08,449 --> 01:29:10,459
one or more of the
purposes of these

531
01:29:10,459 --> 01:29:13,189
regulations and 17 dash 1-3.

532
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:16,009
And on any balance, any
purpose that may be undermined

533
01:29:16,009 --> 01:29:18,832
or untrue weighed by the
benefits of those purpose,

534
01:29:18,832 --> 01:29:20,029
it furthers.

535
01:29:20,029 --> 01:29:23,809
So the proposed rezoning
from Puti I mean to r 2R3,

536
01:29:23,809 --> 01:29:28,219
I mean and C and M r c replaces
a P designation that does not

537
01:29:28,219 --> 01:29:30,949
include specific development
standards The proposed zoning

538
01:29:30,949 --> 01:29:33,979
districts establish clear,
enforceable development

539
01:29:33,979 --> 01:29:37,429
regulations consistent with the
land use and Development Code.

540
01:29:37,429 --> 01:29:39,769
Two is that the proposal is
consistent with the goals

541
01:29:39,769 --> 01:29:42,439
and objectives of the
comprehensive plan

542
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,419
and any other plan,
policy or guidance

543
01:29:44,419 --> 01:29:46,339
adopted pursuant to that plan.

544
01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:49,939
So the subject property is
designated medium density

545
01:29:49,939 --> 01:29:52,879
and low density intensity
within the comprehensive plan

546
01:29:52,879 --> 01:29:54,679
future Land Use map.

547
01:29:54,679 --> 01:29:57,319
The proposed zoning districts
are consistent with the intent

548
01:29:57,319 --> 01:29:58,849
of these designations
and support

549
01:29:58,849 --> 01:30:01,309
the overall land use
framework established

550
01:30:01,309 --> 01:30:03,559
by the Comprehensive plan.

551
01:30:03,559 --> 01:30:06,949
So as I talked about earlier,
the Eastern part of the property

552
01:30:06,949 --> 01:30:09,769
is medium density
slash intensity.

553
01:30:09,769 --> 01:30:12,709
The comprehensive plan
describes medium density areas

554
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:15,589
as complete neighborhoods that
provide a diversity of shops

555
01:30:15,589 --> 01:30:18,982
and services, including schools
and civic facilities within

556
01:30:18,982 --> 01:30:20,391
a walking or biking district.

557
01:30:20,391 --> 01:30:22,849
Distance from residential areas.

558
01:30:22,849 --> 01:30:25,219
These areas are intended
to provide strong walking

559
01:30:25,219 --> 01:30:28,459
connections multimodal trails,
a range of housing options

560
01:30:28,459 --> 01:30:32,419
and opportunities for diverse
lifestyles and income ranges.

561
01:30:32,419 --> 01:30:36,069
So in this doc finds that the
proposed hour to hour three

562
01:30:36,069 --> 01:30:38,599
and C and MRC zoning
framework closely

563
01:30:38,599 --> 01:30:42,649
relent reflects the intent
of the medium density area.

564
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:44,329
So rather than
separating housing

565
01:30:44,329 --> 01:30:46,669
from services the
proposed zoning creates

566
01:30:46,669 --> 01:30:49,667
a complete neighborhood by
integrating a variety of housing

567
01:30:49,667 --> 01:30:52,492
types with neighborhood scale,
commercial and community,

568
01:30:52,492 --> 01:30:55,489
serving uses that anyone
see District complements

569
01:30:55,489 --> 01:30:58,129
these residential uses by
allowing neighborhoods serving

570
01:30:58,129 --> 01:31:01,759
commercial uses, including small
restaurants personal services

571
01:31:01,759 --> 01:31:04,969
and neighborhood retail These
uses are intended to remain

572
01:31:04,969 --> 01:31:07,189
neighborhood skill and are
not designed to accommodate

573
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:11,719
large commercial structures with
large parking lots and see also

574
01:31:11,719 --> 01:31:16,069
allows for senior aging
facilities The MRC district

575
01:31:16,069 --> 01:31:18,679
provides opportunities for
larger community serving

576
01:31:18,679 --> 01:31:20,509
commercial uses while
remaining connected

577
01:31:20,509 --> 01:31:23,899
to nearby residential areas
through sidewalks and trails.

578
01:31:23,899 --> 01:31:26,725
Also MMR is the
only zoning district

579
01:31:26,725 --> 01:31:29,269
that permits recreational
centers buy write directly

580
01:31:29,269 --> 01:31:31,279
supporting the
comprehensive plans

581
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:33,529
vision of complete neighborhoods
where residents have

582
01:31:33,529 --> 01:31:36,379
convenient access to
shopping services, recreation

583
01:31:36,379 --> 01:31:38,389
and other daily needs.

584
01:31:38,389 --> 01:31:40,309
The western portion
of the property

585
01:31:40,309 --> 01:31:42,229
is designated low density.

586
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:44,329
The comprehensive plan
describes these areas

587
01:31:44,329 --> 01:31:46,159
as primarily single
family neighborhoods,

588
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:47,959
with opportunities
for lower density

589
01:31:47,959 --> 01:31:50,089
attached housing,
such as townhomes,

590
01:31:50,089 --> 01:31:52,519
duplexes and patio homes.

591
01:31:52,519 --> 01:31:55,609
Staff finds that the proposed R
two and R three districts best

592
01:31:55,609 --> 01:31:58,219
implement this vision
and are one district

593
01:31:58,219 --> 01:32:00,589
was not considered because
it is limited to detached

594
01:32:00,589 --> 01:32:03,049
single family homes
on larger lots

595
01:32:03,049 --> 01:32:04,789
and does not provide
the flexibility

596
01:32:04,789 --> 01:32:07,249
to accommodate the range of
housing options encouraged

597
01:32:07,249 --> 01:32:09,019
by the comprehensive plan.

598
01:32:09,019 --> 01:32:10,909
The proposed are to
an three districts

599
01:32:10,909 --> 01:32:13,819
allow for the housing diversity
envisioned by the Comprehensive

600
01:32:13,819 --> 01:32:16,009
plan by supporting a mix
of residential building

601
01:32:16,009 --> 01:32:17,599
types and densities.

602
01:32:17,599 --> 01:32:20,599
The proposed R two district
maintains the low density

603
01:32:20,599 --> 01:32:22,069
character and vision
for this area,

604
01:32:22,069 --> 01:32:25,129
while providing additional
housing flexibility This

605
01:32:25,129 --> 01:32:28,099
supports the strategic plan
goal of supporting a broad range

606
01:32:28,099 --> 01:32:30,559
of housing options,
including the greater

607
01:32:30,559 --> 01:32:34,879
likelihood of attainable housing
The proposal supports the town's

608
01:32:34,879 --> 01:32:37,429
planned transportation and trail
network through an East West

609
01:32:37,429 --> 01:32:38,959
Trail connection
that will provide

610
01:32:38,959 --> 01:32:40,843
connectivity to
Roosevelt High School

611
01:32:40,843 --> 01:32:42,331
and surrounding neighborhoods.

612
01:32:42,331 --> 01:32:44,839
So the next criteria
from the code

613
01:32:44,839 --> 01:32:46,579
is number three,
which the changes,

614
01:32:46,579 --> 01:32:49,399
consistent with the intent of
the proposed zoning district,

615
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:53,239
specifically considering the
design of streets, civic space

616
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:56,925
and other open space, be the
pattern, scale, and format

617
01:32:56,925 --> 01:32:59,929
of buildings and sites and see
the compatibility and transition

618
01:32:59,929 --> 01:33:03,769
with other complementary uses
and development in the vicinity

619
01:33:03,769 --> 01:33:06,619
So the proposed rezoning is
consistent with the intent

620
01:33:06,619 --> 01:33:07,189
of the park.

621
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:11,029
Applicable zoning districts
because it incorporates

622
01:33:11,029 --> 01:33:12,619
planned transportation
improvements

623
01:33:12,619 --> 01:33:15,079
and an east west rail corridor.

624
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:16,909
B The zoning
framework establishes

625
01:33:16,909 --> 01:33:20,419
a logical progression of
intensive d, the and C the

626
01:33:20,419 --> 01:33:23,329
proposed districts provide
a appropriate transitions

627
01:33:23,329 --> 01:33:26,119
between Roosevelt high School,
the Clearview neighborhood

628
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:29,479
the Colorado Boulevard Corridor
and adjacent unincorporated Weld

629
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,099
County Lines.

630
01:33:31,099 --> 01:33:34,669
The next criteria is that the
change is necessary for at least

631
01:33:34,669 --> 01:33:37,909
one of the following reasons A
There has been a material change

632
01:33:37,909 --> 01:33:41,089
in the character of the area
or in the town generally, such

633
01:33:41,089 --> 01:33:43,699
that the proposed reason
is in the public interest.

634
01:33:43,699 --> 01:33:45,829
B The change will
serve a community need

635
01:33:45,829 --> 01:33:48,859
or provide an amenity or
benefit to the surrounding area.

636
01:33:48,859 --> 01:33:51,949
That was not anticipated at
the time of the initial zoning.

637
01:33:51,949 --> 01:33:54,169
So since annexation and
the surrounding area

638
01:33:54,169 --> 01:33:56,899
has experienced change including
the development of Roosevelt

639
01:33:56,899 --> 01:34:00,469
High school, these conditions
support implementation

640
01:34:00,469 --> 01:34:02,089
of standard zoning districts.

641
01:34:02,089 --> 01:34:05,659
The proposed rezone provides
greater regulatory clarity

642
01:34:05,659 --> 01:34:08,389
and improved alignment with the
comprehensive plan compared to

643
01:34:08,389 --> 01:34:10,739
the existing P. D designation.

644
01:34:10,739 --> 01:34:11,239
Five.

645
01:34:11,239 --> 01:34:13,369
The town or other
agencies have the ability

646
01:34:13,369 --> 01:34:15,169
to provide services
or facilities that

647
01:34:15,169 --> 01:34:18,799
may be necessary for anticipated
uses in the proposed district

648
01:34:18,799 --> 01:34:21,079
So the town of Johnstown
and utility providers

649
01:34:21,079 --> 01:34:24,169
have the ability to serve the
subject property and service

650
01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:26,569
capacity and infrastructure
have evaluated

651
01:34:26,569 --> 01:34:29,269
through the review process.

652
01:34:29,269 --> 01:34:32,329
Six Any reasonably anticipated
the negative impacts

653
01:34:32,329 --> 01:34:34,849
on the area or adjacent
property either mitigated

654
01:34:34,849 --> 01:34:37,399
by sound planning, design,
and engineering practices

655
01:34:37,399 --> 01:34:39,769
or are outweighed by
broader public benefits

656
01:34:39,769 --> 01:34:44,059
to the surrounding community
So potential impacts associated

657
01:34:44,059 --> 01:34:46,999
with future development,
including traffic and land use

658
01:34:46,999 --> 01:34:49,639
compatibility are addressed
through zoning standards

659
01:34:49,639 --> 01:34:51,889
and engineering requirements.

660
01:34:51,889 --> 01:34:53,629
Any remaining impacts
are outweighed

661
01:34:53,629 --> 01:34:56,149
by broader public
benefits of the proposed

662
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:57,959
development framework.

663
01:34:57,959 --> 01:34:58,459
Seven.

664
01:34:58,459 --> 01:35:00,949
If owner initiated at least
two thirds of the subject

665
01:35:00,949 --> 01:35:03,289
property owners within the
change of zone boundary

666
01:35:03,289 --> 01:35:04,783
have signed the application.

667
01:35:04,783 --> 01:35:07,249
So the application is
owner initiated and meets

668
01:35:07,249 --> 01:35:10,819
the ownership requirements Eight
If owner initiated the subject

669
01:35:10,819 --> 01:35:12,619
property has not been
included in a reason

670
01:35:12,619 --> 01:35:14,749
action in the prior 12 months.

671
01:35:14,749 --> 01:35:16,129
So the subject
property has not been

672
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:19,639
included in a rezoning action
within the previous 12 months.

673
01:35:19,639 --> 01:35:20,209
Nine.

674
01:35:20,209 --> 01:35:22,219
The recommendations of
any professional staff

675
01:35:22,219 --> 01:35:24,889
and advisory review bodies
have been considered,

676
01:35:24,889 --> 01:35:27,559
so the application has gone
through three technical review

677
01:35:27,559 --> 01:35:30,349
cycles with towns, staff,
referral agencies, utilities

678
01:35:30,349 --> 01:35:33,116
and IT companies Okay.

679
01:35:33,116 --> 01:35:36,919
Thanks for sticking
with me through that.

680
01:35:36,919 --> 01:35:40,039
So the Planning and Zoning
Commission held a public hearing

681
01:35:40,039 --> 01:35:43,879
on July 8th, 2026, following the
public hearing and discussion

682
01:35:43,879 --> 01:35:48,349
of the proposal The Commission
voted unanimously 7 to 0

683
01:35:48,349 --> 01:35:51,049
to recommend approval
of both the zone

684
01:35:51,049 --> 01:35:53,059
and preliminary
plat with revisions

685
01:35:53,059 --> 01:35:55,381
to the proposed zoning pattern.

686
01:35:55,381 --> 01:35:58,099
So specifically the
Commission recommended

687
01:35:58,099 --> 01:36:04,819
changing the proposed R32R
to say they're changing

688
01:36:04,819 --> 01:36:10,189
the proposed m r c area to Emily
and see that recommendation

689
01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:14,299
would result in about
a 107.6 acres of R two

690
01:36:14,299 --> 01:36:18,949
and 69.44 acres of MMM c
All seven commissioners

691
01:36:18,949 --> 01:36:22,069
in attendance voted in
favor of that recommendation

692
01:36:22,069 --> 01:36:24,919
and the commissioners rationale
for these recommendations was

693
01:36:24,919 --> 01:36:27,139
that they believe the
zoning districts would

694
01:36:27,139 --> 01:36:29,059
provide a more
appropriate transition

695
01:36:29,059 --> 01:36:30,139
to the surrounding area.

696
01:36:30,139 --> 01:36:31,819
Specifically, the
Commission felt

697
01:36:31,819 --> 01:36:34,819
more comfortable with the
eminences zoning district

698
01:36:34,819 --> 01:36:37,339
next to Roosevelt high
School and the existing

699
01:36:37,339 --> 01:36:39,889
residential neighborhoods
as it limits commercial uses

700
01:36:39,889 --> 01:36:41,599
to a neighborhood scale.

701
01:36:41,599 --> 01:36:44,449
The Commission also recommended
changing the proposed R three

702
01:36:44,449 --> 01:36:46,339
district to R two
to provide lower

703
01:36:46,339 --> 01:36:51,289
density residential next to
the existing residential.

704
01:36:51,289 --> 01:36:54,169
So in conclusion, staff finds
that the Whitehall rezone

705
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:57,379
and preliminary plat establish
a logical and connected

706
01:36:57,379 --> 01:37:00,289
development framework for
the property The proposal

707
01:37:00,289 --> 01:37:01,789
aligns with the
comprehensive plan

708
01:37:01,789 --> 01:37:04,489
provides clear zoning standards
supports future housing

709
01:37:04,489 --> 01:37:07,279
and commercial opportunities,
and incorporate

710
01:37:07,279 --> 01:37:10,879
plan transportation and trail
connections The proposal also

711
01:37:10,879 --> 01:37:13,189
meets the requirements
outlined in the Land

712
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:14,869
Use and Development code.

713
01:37:14,869 --> 01:37:16,459
The proposed zoning
framework creates

714
01:37:16,459 --> 01:37:18,979
an appropriate transition
between surrounding land uses

715
01:37:18,979 --> 01:37:22,189
while providing opportunities
for a variety of housing types

716
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:24,649
neighborhood serving commercial
uses and future community

717
01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:27,469
amenities Staff recommends
that town council

718
01:37:27,469 --> 01:37:28,699
approve the White House filing.

719
01:37:28,699 --> 01:37:31,429
Number two Preliminary
plat as presented.

720
01:37:31,429 --> 01:37:34,369
Staff recommends approval of
the rezone with the breath,

721
01:37:34,369 --> 01:37:37,352
a revision is recommended by
Planning and Zoning Commission

722
01:37:37,352 --> 01:37:39,049
And thank you very much.

723
01:37:39,049 --> 01:37:42,319
And I'm happy to answer any
questions The applicant is also

724
01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:44,119
here to answer any questions.

725
01:37:44,119 --> 01:37:46,149
Thank you for the
long presentation,

726
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:50,119
you did a good job
One question I have.

727
01:37:50,119 --> 01:37:52,759
So the staff report references
the East and West Trail

728
01:37:52,759 --> 01:37:56,029
connection Can staff explain
when the trails anticipated

729
01:37:56,029 --> 01:37:58,909
to be construction and whether
that will connect directly

730
01:37:58,909 --> 01:38:02,089
to the high school
or whether it will

731
01:38:02,089 --> 01:38:05,509
connect Sorry, whether
it will connect

732
01:38:05,509 --> 01:38:07,489
directly to the high school?

733
01:38:07,489 --> 01:38:09,529
I think that will be
up to the applicant

734
01:38:09,529 --> 01:38:13,879
and will be refined through
a final plat application.

735
01:38:13,879 --> 01:38:15,949
And for the first
part of your question

736
01:38:15,949 --> 01:38:17,659
which was when it
will be constructed,

737
01:38:17,659 --> 01:38:21,469
that will be determined when the
development agreement is drafted

738
01:38:21,469 --> 01:38:23,569
for the preliminary plat.

739
01:38:23,569 --> 01:38:25,339
Yeah, I think if we can
have something that connects

740
01:38:25,339 --> 01:38:27,709
to the high school because these
kids need a safe place to walk

741
01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:29,329
and we don't currently
have anything like that

742
01:38:29,329 --> 01:38:32,659
in the community For the
kids that live close by

743
01:38:32,659 --> 01:38:35,329
or the parents can't afford
to get them to school I mean,

744
01:38:35,329 --> 01:38:38,629
I think we need to applicant
can take that into consideration

745
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:40,219
that we can connect
that to the high school

746
01:38:40,219 --> 01:38:43,279
to give these kids some
sort of a safe trail or path

747
01:38:43,279 --> 01:38:47,149
to get to school because we lack
those sidewalks here currently

748
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:48,529
With that, I'll open
it up to council

749
01:38:48,529 --> 01:38:51,439
for questions or comments.

750
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:56,329
So I'd like to see more patio
homes and some over 55 and older

751
01:38:56,329 --> 01:39:00,559
homes ranches versus a bunch
more apartments and townhomes,

752
01:39:00,559 --> 01:39:03,829
which, you know, people
they insurance on some

753
01:39:03,829 --> 01:39:09,019
of these multi roofed buildings
are impossible to get insurance

754
01:39:09,019 --> 01:39:11,269
and they're outrageous
for the resident.

755
01:39:11,269 --> 01:39:14,089
So I'd really press
on them to really try

756
01:39:14,089 --> 01:39:16,339
to bring in some
patio home ranch

757
01:39:16,339 --> 01:39:19,219
type style homes
that are cottage

758
01:39:19,219 --> 01:39:23,209
looking and cute with
backyards and areas

759
01:39:23,209 --> 01:39:25,489
that people can
downsize a little bit

760
01:39:25,489 --> 01:39:30,993
Since we built here with big
yards and can't afford water

761
01:39:30,993 --> 01:39:32,021
Be correct.

762
01:39:32,021 --> 01:39:32,521
Thank you.

763
01:39:32,521 --> 01:39:35,299
Can Council member
Morris the applicant

764
01:39:35,299 --> 01:39:37,639
will have a presentation and
they might be able to speak

765
01:39:37,639 --> 01:39:39,139
to some of the housing types.

766
01:39:39,139 --> 01:39:42,199
They're considering Thank you.

767
01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:45,199
Any further questions
from council ?

768
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:45,833
I guess so.

769
01:39:45,833 --> 01:39:47,419
The applicant has a
presentation if they

770
01:39:47,419 --> 01:40:11,119
want to come forward and
give the presentation

771
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:20,734
Giving idea how that Perfect.

772
01:40:20,734 --> 01:40:21,709
Thank you.

773
01:40:21,709 --> 01:40:23,060
You, Mayor and council members.

774
01:40:23,060 --> 01:40:24,312
My name is Brian Williamson.

775
01:40:24,312 --> 01:40:26,097
I'm with DST
Consulting Engineers.

776
01:40:26,097 --> 01:40:30,679
We are the planner and engineer
for the project Our Aubrey did

777
01:40:30,679 --> 01:40:33,229
a great job presenting to you,
so there's a lot of redundancy

778
01:40:33,229 --> 01:40:34,369
in our presentation.

779
01:40:34,369 --> 01:40:36,709
I'll skip over those
things pretty quickly.

780
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:38,870
I want to introduce
our team So myself,

781
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:40,969
Brian Williams and
also Lee Lowery

782
01:40:40,969 --> 01:40:42,651
from lowery Development Group.

783
01:40:42,651 --> 01:40:44,119
And then I have
John Sweet as well.

784
01:40:44,119 --> 01:40:46,039
He's the engineer on
the project unit, sir.

785
01:40:46,039 --> 01:40:48,409
Any technical
questions you have?

786
01:40:48,409 --> 01:40:48,977
I'm a trader.

787
01:40:48,977 --> 01:40:49,477
Really?

788
01:40:49,477 --> 01:40:53,459
For a second and then I'll
be right back Good evening.

789
01:40:53,459 --> 01:40:53,959
Good evening.

790
01:40:53,959 --> 01:40:55,535
Mayor Duncan and
Council members.

791
01:40:55,535 --> 01:40:57,397
Thank you for your
time this evening.

792
01:40:57,397 --> 01:40:59,029
My name is Leanne
Lowery, managing

793
01:40:59,029 --> 01:41:00,469
member of Whitehall
Development Partners,

794
01:41:00,469 --> 01:41:01,909
as well as Lowery Group.

795
01:41:01,909 --> 01:41:04,699
Ryan going to have most of
the nuts and bolts information

796
01:41:04,699 --> 01:41:07,742
for you tonight, but I just
wanted this to come up and say,

797
01:41:07,742 --> 01:41:11,029
how happy you are to present
this project to you tonight.

798
01:41:11,029 --> 01:41:12,739
This is one of three
projects that we

799
01:41:12,739 --> 01:41:14,059
currently have in johnstown.

800
01:41:14,059 --> 01:41:17,059
We love Johnstown It's
the our concentration

801
01:41:17,059 --> 01:41:18,079
in Northern Colorado.

802
01:41:18,079 --> 01:41:19,249
We love your comp plan.

803
01:41:19,249 --> 01:41:21,481
We follow your comp
plan to implement

804
01:41:21,481 --> 01:41:26,869
what you what your vision
is for the town We're in.

805
01:41:26,869 --> 01:41:29,689
All of our projects were long
time stakeholders in everything

806
01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:31,909
that we do So in
various projects

807
01:41:31,909 --> 01:41:36,915
we will if it's approved we will
be not only property owners.

808
01:41:36,915 --> 01:41:40,039
But stakeholders in the in
the town for decades to come.

809
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:42,889
So we we really like it here.

810
01:41:42,889 --> 01:41:45,993
And it's just it's been
a pleasure We believe

811
01:41:45,993 --> 01:41:47,569
that this design that
we have for a while

812
01:41:47,569 --> 01:41:50,329
will greatly augment
the school and the site

813
01:41:50,329 --> 01:41:53,329
that where the school
is currently on I

814
01:41:53,329 --> 01:41:56,629
think not only does it
create for the town,

815
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:59,179
but we also believe
it creates a community

816
01:41:59,179 --> 01:42:01,009
around the new high school.

817
01:42:01,009 --> 01:42:03,259
And just what an impressive
new school that is.

818
01:42:03,259 --> 01:42:04,549
We've had the
opportunity to tour

819
01:42:04,549 --> 01:42:06,199
the school with the
principal and spent

820
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:07,429
almost four hours there.

821
01:42:07,429 --> 01:42:09,439
And it's just such
an impressive school.

822
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,719
I believe this will augment
that very, very well Again,

823
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,538
I just wanted to just
say a quick hello.

824
01:42:16,538 --> 01:42:19,189
I'll look forward to answering
your questions after an hour

825
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:20,419
after Brian speaks.

826
01:42:20,419 --> 01:42:22,765
But I just wanted to take
up a quick thank you as 1 2

827
01:42:22,765 --> 01:42:25,069
the Planning Commission for
their review and approval

828
01:42:25,069 --> 01:42:26,449
definitely to town staff.

829
01:42:26,449 --> 01:42:28,279
They've been great, as
you can see, Ari, that was

830
01:42:28,279 --> 01:42:29,569
a lot of information there.

831
01:42:29,569 --> 01:42:33,649
But they've been great working
with Aubrey and Planning

832
01:42:33,649 --> 01:42:35,599
Director Queen
director Jennifer,

833
01:42:35,599 --> 01:42:40,372
and also just I can't say enough
how proud we are and happy to be

834
01:42:40,372 --> 01:42:41,239
able to working with this.

835
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:43,189
Our family, the
current landowners,

836
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:45,919
and to be able to
bring this project

837
01:42:45,919 --> 01:42:47,873
forward and implement
a lot of their vision,

838
01:42:47,873 --> 01:42:49,175
they had for the project.

839
01:42:49,175 --> 01:42:52,109
So we've been very honored to be
able to do that in their trust

840
01:42:52,109 --> 01:42:52,609
in us.

841
01:42:52,609 --> 01:42:58,609
So i'll bring up Brian and he'll
go through the nuts and bolts

842
01:42:58,609 --> 01:43:04,287
Thank you OK, so project
location, Highway 60 Colorado

843
01:43:04,287 --> 01:43:08,719
Boulevard The project surrounds
Rosebud High School Existing

844
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:11,599
around it is agricultural
use The rezoning

845
01:43:11,599 --> 01:43:12,732
request I'm going
to kind of move

846
01:43:12,732 --> 01:43:13,699
through these pretty quickly.

847
01:43:13,699 --> 01:43:17,209
I think you guys have seen a
fair amount of information here.

848
01:43:17,209 --> 01:43:18,229
Here's the comprehensive plan.

849
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:20,509
I think I've spent a good amount
of time working through that.

850
01:43:20,509 --> 01:43:22,519
So western to
thirds, a little bit

851
01:43:22,519 --> 01:43:24,799
lower density, Eastern one
third, a little bit higher

852
01:43:24,799 --> 01:43:26,989
density and intensity of uses.

853
01:43:26,989 --> 01:43:29,089
So the existing
zoning is the PUD.

854
01:43:29,089 --> 01:43:30,739
When that beauty
was put in place,

855
01:43:30,739 --> 01:43:33,169
there wasn't really
any anticipated thought

856
01:43:33,169 --> 01:43:34,279
for the future development.

857
01:43:34,279 --> 01:43:36,949
It really was about getting
the high school in there.

858
01:43:36,949 --> 01:43:39,889
So we're electing, you know, we
could do one of two tracks here.

859
01:43:39,889 --> 01:43:43,129
We could amend the PUD
and create standards

860
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:44,359
We reviewed the land use code.

861
01:43:44,359 --> 01:43:46,039
I think the updates that
have happened recently

862
01:43:46,039 --> 01:43:48,109
in the land use code
lend itself to a lot

863
01:43:48,109 --> 01:43:49,579
of flexible development.

864
01:43:49,579 --> 01:43:53,539
So we are opting to propose
street zoning out here.

865
01:43:53,539 --> 01:43:54,889
This is the original proposal.

866
01:43:54,889 --> 01:43:59,299
So our two Four acres is
on the eastern side working

867
01:43:59,299 --> 01:44:02,539
as the intensity increases
are three than the mixed

868
01:44:02,539 --> 01:44:03,602
use neighborhood commercial.

869
01:44:03,602 --> 01:44:07,309
And that mixed use regional
commercial up at the top

870
01:44:07,309 --> 01:44:10,399
This exhibit shows the planning
Commission recommendations.

871
01:44:10,399 --> 01:44:15,683
So swapping this tract see
down here And you see my own?

872
01:44:15,683 --> 01:44:16,183
Yeah.

873
01:44:16,183 --> 01:44:16,683
OK.

874
01:44:16,683 --> 01:44:19,017
This tracks down here
from our 3 to our two.

875
01:44:19,017 --> 01:44:22,226
We don't really have a concern
about that Like as we work

876
01:44:22,226 --> 01:44:24,049
through that transition
of density, you know,

877
01:44:24,049 --> 01:44:26,929
we envision that R two is
going to be single family.

878
01:44:26,929 --> 01:44:30,667
Are the tracks c which
was our three before,

879
01:44:30,667 --> 01:44:33,739
would be a mix of single fan
blades attached and detached

880
01:44:33,739 --> 01:44:36,919
So not really kind of
going to those higher R

881
01:44:36,919 --> 01:44:38,306
three zoning districts.

882
01:44:38,306 --> 01:44:41,118
I think the intent originally
was to just have that transition

883
01:44:41,118 --> 01:44:43,429
on in the zoning, but I think
we can accomplish what we

884
01:44:43,429 --> 01:44:46,099
want to do in the R two there.

885
01:44:46,099 --> 01:44:49,999
Then they change the the
mixed use neighborhood

886
01:44:49,999 --> 01:44:51,599
commercial is is similar here.

887
01:44:51,599 --> 01:44:53,487
And then this piece
up here, which

888
01:44:53,487 --> 01:44:56,359
is tracks i think
they're G and F

889
01:44:56,359 --> 01:45:00,679
are changed from the mixed
use regional commercial

890
01:45:00,679 --> 01:45:03,139
to the mixed use
neighborhood commercial.

891
01:45:03,139 --> 01:45:04,909
We have a slate modification
that we would like you

892
01:45:04,909 --> 01:45:08,689
to consider and that is moving
that regional commercial down

893
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:11,569
to that southeast
corner of the site.

894
01:45:11,569 --> 01:45:13,219
The reason that
we're asking for that

895
01:45:13,219 --> 01:45:15,769
is there's a specific use
in that zoning district.

896
01:45:15,769 --> 01:45:19,339
And I touched on a little bit
which is the indoor outdoor

897
01:45:19,339 --> 01:45:23,839
recreation, the mixed use
neighborhood commercial has it,

898
01:45:23,839 --> 01:45:26,101
but it is capped at
an 8,000 square foot.

899
01:45:26,101 --> 01:45:30,409
One of the thoughts is that
as the high school developed

900
01:45:30,409 --> 01:45:32,299
in the towers were very
instrumental in getting

901
01:45:32,299 --> 01:45:35,689
that project through the
process and dedicating

902
01:45:35,689 --> 01:45:38,929
the ground for it, they were
hoping to have a facility that

903
01:45:38,929 --> 01:45:44,269
could support full year round
training that would help

904
01:45:44,269 --> 01:45:46,399
the high school athletes
and other athletes

905
01:45:46,399 --> 01:45:48,529
in the in the region.

906
01:45:48,529 --> 01:45:51,229
We understand that there are
concerns about that zoning

907
01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:55,159
district up against the existing
residential that happens

908
01:45:55,159 --> 01:45:57,349
on the north side of
the railroad tracks

909
01:45:57,349 --> 01:45:58,939
We think that
moving it down here

910
01:45:58,939 --> 01:46:01,609
is probably a better
fit for that location

911
01:46:01,609 --> 01:46:06,709
So we'd ask you guys to consider
that option as you're approving.

912
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:08,644
Hopefully approving
the application

913
01:46:08,644 --> 01:46:13,789
to So a quick overview of
the preliminary plat there.

914
01:46:13,789 --> 01:46:15,499
We have the tracks
that are laid out.

915
01:46:15,499 --> 01:46:19,189
Those zoning colors match
the original application.

916
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:21,059
We do have zoning
caps on tracks,

917
01:46:21,059 --> 01:46:23,779
air density caps not
density, but max number

918
01:46:23,779 --> 01:46:26,629
of unit caps on
tracks A, B and C,

919
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:30,679
and you can see those
there 175 units on tract A

920
01:46:30,679 --> 01:46:32,809
that ends up being
4.6 dwelling units.

921
01:46:32,809 --> 01:46:37,549
The acre maximum of 165 on
track B that would be 4.9.

922
01:46:37,549 --> 01:46:40,012
Dwelling needs to the
acre and a max of 184.

923
01:46:40,012 --> 01:46:41,499
That's eight dwelling units.

924
01:46:41,499 --> 01:46:45,004
The acre on track C
tracks d E f and g.

925
01:46:45,004 --> 01:46:47,149
Those are a little
less certain right now.

926
01:46:47,149 --> 01:46:49,639
So we're not proposing
any standards there

927
01:46:49,639 --> 01:46:51,079
I think will be
back in front of you

928
01:46:51,079 --> 01:46:53,329
for a preliminary on
all of those parcels

929
01:46:53,329 --> 01:46:55,399
as we work through
the process and kind

930
01:46:55,399 --> 01:46:59,419
of understand how those mixes
work better in the future.

931
01:46:59,419 --> 01:47:01,519
Landscaping trails you guys
had a question for Aubrey

932
01:47:01,519 --> 01:47:04,699
about that, so I'd love to
talk about it a little bit

933
01:47:04,699 --> 01:47:07,759
So we do have complete
street lights,

934
01:47:07,759 --> 01:47:10,579
tree lined streets there
would be built in phased

935
01:47:10,579 --> 01:47:13,609
as the development
goes So, you know,

936
01:47:13,609 --> 01:47:14,989
we wouldn't be
building streets that

937
01:47:14,989 --> 01:47:17,449
are going to be empty for a
substantial period of time.

938
01:47:17,449 --> 01:47:19,549
We want to get
those streets built

939
01:47:19,549 --> 01:47:22,399
at the time of
adjacent development

940
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:26,479
But, you know, we have a pond
up here in the south east corner

941
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:28,939
of Tract a that
would be a detention

942
01:47:28,939 --> 01:47:31,129
pond in a non-potable pond.

943
01:47:31,129 --> 01:47:32,389
So we would have
a nonprofit system

944
01:47:32,389 --> 01:47:34,429
that would run all of
the outdoor irrigation

945
01:47:34,429 --> 01:47:36,679
for the entire development,
both serving all

946
01:47:36,679 --> 01:47:39,169
of the common open
spaces but also serving

947
01:47:39,169 --> 01:47:42,169
the individual houses as well.

948
01:47:42,169 --> 01:47:46,129
This yellow line represents
kind of the regional trail that

949
01:47:46,129 --> 01:47:48,409
is called out in Your
Trails master plan

950
01:47:48,409 --> 01:47:49,639
So it doesn't
necessarily directly

951
01:47:49,639 --> 01:47:50,779
connect to the
high school, but we

952
01:47:50,779 --> 01:47:52,669
do have plans to
kind of integrate

953
01:47:52,669 --> 01:47:55,939
through the track developed
meant to make those connections

954
01:47:55,939 --> 01:47:56,899
to the high school.

955
01:47:56,899 --> 01:47:59,029
We do want to be kind
of deliberate about how

956
01:47:59,029 --> 01:48:00,919
we're tying the development
into the high school.

957
01:48:00,919 --> 01:48:03,409
We don't really want
these, let's say,

958
01:48:03,409 --> 01:48:05,119
porous barriers between them.

959
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:07,909
We want to have specific
points of access

960
01:48:07,909 --> 01:48:11,989
So we've identified one that is
right up here that would come

961
01:48:11,989 --> 01:48:14,329
from tract A into
the the high school

962
01:48:14,329 --> 01:48:16,129
And then I think all the
other access points are going

963
01:48:16,129 --> 01:48:18,169
to come from the South Really.

964
01:48:18,169 --> 01:48:21,649
We don't want to have you
know, as kids come out,

965
01:48:21,649 --> 01:48:24,049
we don't want them filtering
into the development.

966
01:48:24,049 --> 01:48:27,019
I think we just want to have
like very clear points of access

967
01:48:27,019 --> 01:48:30,919
where the development
interfaces with high school.

968
01:48:30,919 --> 01:48:34,339
I have a little cross section
here of what the swale is.

969
01:48:34,339 --> 01:48:36,319
So i forget to
mention that there

970
01:48:36,319 --> 01:48:38,929
is an existing long tail
water ditch that comes

971
01:48:38,929 --> 01:48:40,249
through the property here.

972
01:48:40,249 --> 01:48:42,409
This is the existing
alignment of it.

973
01:48:42,409 --> 01:48:46,519
We're going to really line that
to kind of be a little bit more

974
01:48:46,519 --> 01:48:50,839
friendly to the character of
the neighborhood Also, it helps.

975
01:48:50,839 --> 01:48:53,629
There's kind of some significant
slopes that come from 46

976
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:54,769
down into that drainage.

977
01:48:54,769 --> 01:48:56,629
So kind of moving that a
little bit to the north

978
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:58,549
helps even all that out.

979
01:48:58,549 --> 01:48:59,929
So there would be
a trail corridor

980
01:48:59,929 --> 01:49:03,019
with the gates constructed
when that ditch gets realigned.

981
01:49:03,019 --> 01:49:05,329
This is kind of a cross section
of what that would look like.

982
01:49:05,329 --> 01:49:06,799
So there would be
a ten foot concrete

983
01:49:06,799 --> 01:49:11,719
trail on the South side,
trees on both sides.

984
01:49:11,719 --> 01:49:16,459
There's a 41ft bus bottom to
that swale because it does take

985
01:49:16,459 --> 01:49:18,379
a substantial amount
of storm drainage

986
01:49:18,379 --> 01:49:22,729
as well as the water that's
in the in the ditch right now.

987
01:49:22,729 --> 01:49:26,107
If I were to draw that out,
the trees would look super tiny

988
01:49:26,107 --> 01:49:26,840
in this cross section.

989
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,493
So we just kind of
like a abbreviated it.

990
01:49:28,493 --> 01:49:30,799
But you can see,
you know this is

991
01:49:30,799 --> 01:49:33,379
about 20ft here on this bench.

992
01:49:33,379 --> 01:49:34,339
So ten foot of trail.

993
01:49:34,339 --> 01:49:36,949
And then about ten feet of
landscaping that that trail is

994
01:49:36,949 --> 01:49:39,439
going to kind of meander
through that bench

995
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,589
So it's not just kind of
like a street alignment there

996
01:49:42,589 --> 01:49:44,449
but that kind of gives
you a sense of, you know,

997
01:49:44,449 --> 01:49:46,249
double that space is
going to be at the bottom

998
01:49:46,249 --> 01:49:49,099
of that ditch intersection.

999
01:49:49,099 --> 01:49:50,809
We are we spent a lot of
time talking about this

1000
01:49:50,809 --> 01:49:52,399
at the neighborhood
meeting so I wanted to make

1001
01:49:52,399 --> 01:49:54,049
sure that it was included here.

1002
01:49:54,049 --> 01:49:55,939
The Blue Stars represent
right in, right

1003
01:49:55,939 --> 01:49:59,779
out access points The Red Stars
represent full movement assets,

1004
01:49:59,779 --> 01:50:01,129
access points.

1005
01:50:01,129 --> 01:50:05,359
I think, there's a red star
on the roundabout at Roosevelt

1006
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:10,039
right now at the intersection
of 46 and Colorado boulevard.

1007
01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:11,989
We're anticipating there
might be another either

1008
01:50:11,989 --> 01:50:13,249
a signal or a roundabout there.

1009
01:50:13,249 --> 01:50:16,399
We're working through that kind
of as we go into final design,

1010
01:50:16,399 --> 01:50:20,119
these intersections that
are set on 46 are kind

1011
01:50:20,119 --> 01:50:23,239
of at the standard
intersection spacing

1012
01:50:23,239 --> 01:50:25,279
So you can see that
we've got 660ft

1013
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:26,629
to that First access point.

1014
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:29,779
That's going to be a right in
right out your full movement

1015
01:50:29,779 --> 01:50:32,040
intersections have
to be that 13 20

1016
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,679
or a quarter of
a mile separation

1017
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:35,329
from the major intersections.

1018
01:50:35,329 --> 01:50:36,679
So then you can see
as we go through,

1019
01:50:36,679 --> 01:50:39,589
we're just kind of hitting
that same rhythm of 13, 20

1020
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:41,719
plus or minus a
little bit and then

1021
01:50:41,719 --> 01:50:43,896
we will be building
Roosevelt, the extension,

1022
01:50:43,896 --> 01:50:45,594
Roosevelt over to the east.

1023
01:50:45,594 --> 01:50:47,899
So that will be ready
for future development.

1024
01:50:47,899 --> 01:50:51,949
Is that next parcel comes
through infrastructure.

1025
01:50:51,949 --> 01:50:54,769
A water and sewer service
would be provided by the town.

1026
01:50:54,769 --> 01:50:56,599
The developer will build
the infrastructure dedicate

1027
01:50:56,599 --> 01:50:59,359
to the town just like all the
other developments will have

1028
01:50:59,359 --> 01:51:00,979
a non portable water
system that serves

1029
01:51:00,979 --> 01:51:03,889
the open space and the lots.

1030
01:51:03,889 --> 01:51:05,359
That non-potable
system is proposed

1031
01:51:05,359 --> 01:51:06,937
to be operated by a
metropolitan district

1032
01:51:06,937 --> 01:51:11,539
just so there's some security
about how that operates

1033
01:51:11,539 --> 01:51:14,659
Neighborhood compatibility We
talked a little bit about you

1034
01:51:14,659 --> 01:51:17,419
know, what's appropriate against
the existing residential.

1035
01:51:17,419 --> 01:51:19,369
So there are 30 foot
require landscape

1036
01:51:19,369 --> 01:51:21,499
buffers from all arterials.

1037
01:51:21,499 --> 01:51:23,359
And then there's density
transitions and setbacks.

1038
01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:26,599
So we kind of worked the density
transitions through that zoning,

1039
01:51:26,599 --> 01:51:29,719
but as well there are
setbacks that are used,

1040
01:51:29,719 --> 01:51:32,419
determined setbacks that
would happen at the time

1041
01:51:32,419 --> 01:51:33,949
of individual sightline.

1042
01:51:33,949 --> 01:51:35,989
So between residential
and commercial,

1043
01:51:35,989 --> 01:51:37,879
between commercial
and industrial,

1044
01:51:37,879 --> 01:51:40,339
between independent uses
that are conflicting,

1045
01:51:40,339 --> 01:51:43,069
your land use code does a
great job of just describe

1046
01:51:43,069 --> 01:51:51,469
what those buffers need to
be Construction and bathing.

1047
01:51:51,469 --> 01:51:52,877
So we will phase
the development.

1048
01:51:52,877 --> 01:51:55,071
So we're not going to
build everything at first.

1049
01:51:55,071 --> 01:51:56,929
And you know but there'll
be critical infrastructure

1050
01:51:56,929 --> 01:51:59,059
that needs to be built in.

1051
01:51:59,059 --> 01:52:01,939
We'll work we're starting
to work on the final plat

1052
01:52:01,939 --> 01:52:03,409
and construct
construction drawings,

1053
01:52:03,409 --> 01:52:04,999
and those will
include the phasing.

1054
01:52:04,999 --> 01:52:09,079
So each piece will be you know,
as the first piece comes in,

1055
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:11,299
there'll be supporting
infrastructure that that serves

1056
01:52:11,299 --> 01:52:13,819
that everything that's
required They're

1057
01:52:13,819 --> 01:52:15,139
going to be based,
developed, based

1058
01:52:15,139 --> 01:52:16,609
on market demands and timing.

1059
01:52:16,609 --> 01:52:18,619
So we don't have like
we're not breaking ground

1060
01:52:18,619 --> 01:52:23,986
like in a certain time And
then but we do think, you know,

1061
01:52:23,986 --> 01:52:24,578
it's possible.

1062
01:52:24,578 --> 01:52:25,762
We would be starting
construction,

1063
01:52:25,762 --> 01:52:29,539
probably in in
the summer of 2027

1064
01:52:29,539 --> 01:52:31,909
schedule next steps we
did have neighborhood

1065
01:52:31,909 --> 01:52:32,749
meeting on May 12th.

1066
01:52:32,749 --> 01:52:35,011
As I mentioned, we had the
planning commission a couple

1067
01:52:35,011 --> 01:52:36,559
of weeks ago on July 8th.

1068
01:52:36,559 --> 01:52:40,129
We're here today, July 20,
which is the town board hearing.

1069
01:52:40,129 --> 01:52:42,889
And then we'll be making a
final plat submittal shortly

1070
01:52:42,889 --> 01:52:47,059
after this hearing
And I'm here to answer

1071
01:52:47,059 --> 01:52:49,489
any questions you might
have about the development.

1072
01:52:49,489 --> 01:52:51,859
Lee and John are also available
if you guys have questions

1073
01:52:51,859 --> 01:52:54,269
that I can't answer.

1074
01:52:54,269 --> 01:52:54,769
Thank you.

1075
01:52:54,769 --> 01:52:57,289
Covered a lot of the nuts
and bolts, as Lee put it.

1076
01:52:57,289 --> 01:52:59,561
So the answer my
question to the trails

1077
01:52:59,561 --> 01:53:02,329
because I know it's very
important to the community

1078
01:53:02,329 --> 01:53:05,539
I don't have any further
questions I'll kick it over

1079
01:53:05,539 --> 01:53:10,489
to council for any
questions Do you know

1080
01:53:10,489 --> 01:53:13,669
which plat you'll do first?

1081
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:16,129
It's anticipated that
the single family

1082
01:53:16,129 --> 01:53:17,580
will probably happen first.

1083
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:19,579
The upper left?

1084
01:53:19,579 --> 01:53:23,182
Yeah, probably a or A
or B, I mean, probably.

1085
01:53:23,182 --> 01:53:25,466
I think a there's some
things that happened

1086
01:53:25,466 --> 01:53:27,439
with on a like the
nine part system

1087
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,859
that really make that
required at the beginning

1088
01:53:30,859 --> 01:53:33,769
you could develop a nonpartisan
them and not the rest of GI

1089
01:53:33,769 --> 01:53:35,839
tract A but right now it looks
like tract eight would probably

1090
01:53:35,839 --> 01:53:40,069
be we would start kind of on
the east the northeast ways

1091
01:53:40,069 --> 01:53:40,949
and move to the west.

1092
01:53:40,949 --> 01:53:41,449
Yeah.

1093
01:53:41,449 --> 01:53:41,949
OK.

1094
01:53:41,949 --> 01:53:47,004
Thank you So as far as
that phasing is concerned.

1095
01:53:47,004 --> 01:53:50,299
Then, because you said that
you wouldn't necessarily

1096
01:53:50,299 --> 01:53:52,369
make all of those
improvements to roadways

1097
01:53:52,369 --> 01:53:59,719
and you would clearly have to
make that extension Are you

1098
01:53:59,719 --> 01:54:04,489
saying you just wouldn't
implement the north south roads

1099
01:54:04,489 --> 01:54:08,809
then through cD any correct.

1100
01:54:08,809 --> 01:54:10,141
Yeah Yeah.

1101
01:54:10,141 --> 01:54:13,066
You know, yeah, the Roosevelt
extension would have to go

1102
01:54:13,066 --> 01:54:15,829
through right There would need
to be some other second point

1103
01:54:15,829 --> 01:54:18,169
of access that would
come up to tract

1104
01:54:18,169 --> 01:54:21,830
a whether that's an emergency
access easement or a 4th Street.

1105
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:23,810
I think we're still working
through kind of what

1106
01:54:23,810 --> 01:54:29,406
those phasing details would look
like I think that, you know,

1107
01:54:29,406 --> 01:54:30,679
there's a possibility
that there's

1108
01:54:30,679 --> 01:54:32,509
some synergy between
tract A and tract B

1109
01:54:32,509 --> 01:54:35,044
and maybe some of that
stuff gets built in kind

1110
01:54:35,044 --> 01:54:41,953
of a consecutive phase Thanks.

1111
01:54:41,953 --> 01:54:42,973
What's feeding that pond?

1112
01:54:42,973 --> 01:54:46,267
Is it a spring over
there, or just does it.

1113
01:54:46,267 --> 01:54:48,619
Keep pretty good levels
of water because it's

1114
01:54:48,619 --> 01:54:51,839
not exactly by the swale
that you're mentioning?

1115
01:54:51,839 --> 01:54:52,339
No.

1116
01:54:52,339 --> 01:54:55,669
So that would be
fed with raw water.

1117
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:58,219
That's currently be
used for irrigation

1118
01:54:58,219 --> 01:55:01,783
on the site so the egg water
that's being used there.

1119
01:55:01,783 --> 01:55:02,416
OK.

1120
01:55:02,416 --> 01:55:08,869
Thank you Any further
questions from Council?

1121
01:55:08,869 --> 01:55:10,049
Mr. All right.

1122
01:55:10,049 --> 01:55:10,549
Thank you.

1123
01:55:10,549 --> 01:55:14,149
With that will go ahead and open
up public comment for anybody

1124
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:16,969
who's for against
the application

1125
01:55:16,969 --> 01:55:18,679
This is your time
to come up and speak

1126
01:55:18,679 --> 01:55:22,669
Would anybody like to speak
for or against the application

1127
01:55:22,669 --> 01:55:25,429
or All right.

1128
01:55:25,429 --> 01:55:25,999
Nothing heard.

1129
01:55:25,999 --> 01:55:28,249
We have anything online, Megan?

1130
01:55:28,249 --> 01:55:29,809
No comments online.

1131
01:55:29,809 --> 01:55:32,959
Thank you Before we close
out the public hearing,

1132
01:55:32,959 --> 01:55:37,069
would Council like to take
any further deliberation

1133
01:55:37,069 --> 01:55:39,349
on these this resolution
and ordinance before us

1134
01:55:39,349 --> 01:55:42,864
tonight All right.

1135
01:55:42,864 --> 01:55:44,059
Nothing her with that.

1136
01:55:44,059 --> 01:55:45,199
We'll go ahead and close up.

1137
01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:46,669
You got some
yourselves, Mr. Mayor.

1138
01:55:46,669 --> 01:55:49,759
May I make one ask one question
of the applicant in case

1139
01:55:49,759 --> 01:55:53,479
you all decide to go with
their revised proposal

1140
01:55:53,479 --> 01:55:55,849
I'm reading it just for
purposes of the motion.

1141
01:55:55,849 --> 01:55:59,689
If the council decides to go
with your proposed revisions

1142
01:55:59,689 --> 01:56:05,959
that tract G and F would
change to Amu and c tract E

1143
01:56:05,959 --> 01:56:06,979
would be new.

1144
01:56:06,979 --> 01:56:10,707
R C and tract C
would be are two.

1145
01:56:10,707 --> 01:56:11,796
That's correct.

1146
01:56:11,796 --> 01:56:12,521
OK.

1147
01:56:12,521 --> 01:56:15,949
Thank you so that's the
approval with conditions

1148
01:56:15,949 --> 01:56:17,929
is what you're
asking for to bring

1149
01:56:17,929 --> 01:56:19,109
that commercial down, correct?

1150
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:19,609
Yeah.

1151
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:22,309
I think there's the
initial application.

1152
01:56:22,309 --> 01:56:25,879
There's the conditions that were
set by the Planning Commission

1153
01:56:25,879 --> 01:56:35,569
and then we kind of have
given you a Third option

1154
01:56:35,569 --> 01:56:40,069
Any further questions for we
close out the public hearing

1155
01:56:40,069 --> 01:56:40,759
All right.

1156
01:56:40,759 --> 01:56:44,329
We're going to close out
the public hearing of a I'll

1157
01:56:44,329 --> 01:56:47,479
go ahead and ask the pleasure of
the Council of resolution number

1158
01:56:47,479 --> 01:56:58,741
2026 dash three five Five 2952
I move to approve ordinance

1159
01:56:58,741 --> 01:57:03,649
So I move to approve orton's
2026 DoorDash 35 for the White

1160
01:57:03,649 --> 01:57:05,929
tail filing number
to preliminary plat

1161
01:57:05,929 --> 01:57:12,901
as presented Second
motion by Councilmember

1162
01:57:12,901 --> 01:57:15,033
Berg, seconded by Council.

1163
01:57:15,033 --> 01:57:17,149
Merman's is going to put
it to electronic vote.

1164
01:57:17,149 --> 01:57:25,129
Please I have a motion
carries with that clerk.

1165
01:57:25,129 --> 01:57:36,769
Can I have you read the
ordinance title for 70 audience

1166
01:57:36,769 --> 01:57:41,749
number 2020 6-2 94 Approving the
rezoning of real property known

1167
01:57:41,749 --> 01:57:44,689
as White House Subdivision
and filing number two located

1168
01:57:44,689 --> 01:57:47,779
on the East have at the
southwest corner and south east

1169
01:57:47,779 --> 01:57:52,069
corner of Section 12 Township
four north Range 68 west

1170
01:57:52,069 --> 01:57:55,261
of the six principal meridian
town of Johnstown county, well,

1171
01:57:55,261 --> 01:58:01,009
state of Colorado consisting of
approximately 163.39 acres from

1172
01:58:01,009 --> 01:58:06,109
planned unit development mixed
use puti at Amu to mixed density

1173
01:58:06,109 --> 01:58:09,409
neighborhood are two
high density neighborhood

1174
01:58:09,409 --> 01:58:15,019
are three mixed use neighborhood
commercial m u c and mixed use.

1175
01:58:15,019 --> 01:58:20,059
Regional commercial m u r c And
if I could just before you all

1176
01:58:20,059 --> 01:58:21,409
deliberate and
decide how to vote

1177
01:58:21,409 --> 01:58:23,494
just for clarity of the record.

1178
01:58:23,494 --> 01:58:25,279
So the ordinance
that was presented

1179
01:58:25,279 --> 01:58:31,279
reflects the initial application
by the applicant for planning

1180
01:58:31,279 --> 01:58:33,349
and Zoning Commission
recommended

1181
01:58:33,349 --> 01:58:37,849
a modification and the
applicant can is now

1182
01:58:37,849 --> 01:58:39,589
proposed the third
alternative of which I

1183
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:40,700
believe is a compromise.

1184
01:58:40,700 --> 01:58:47,017
So you may just consider that if
you're going to move to approve

1185
01:58:47,017 --> 01:58:48,564
the ordinance as
presented, it's going

1186
01:58:48,564 --> 01:58:50,329
to be the original
application Or if you

1187
01:58:50,329 --> 01:58:53,013
want that ordinance amended
somehow, just let us know.

1188
01:58:53,013 --> 01:59:00,109
And then we can Amanda
for a second reading OK.

1189
01:59:00,109 --> 01:59:05,029
You go in as opposed
to council Mr. Mayor,

1190
01:59:05,029 --> 01:59:08,034
I move to approve
ordinance number 2026

1191
01:59:08,034 --> 01:59:09,859
to 95 to White House filing.

1192
01:59:09,859 --> 01:59:14,989
Number two, rezone with
the following conditions as

1193
01:59:14,989 --> 01:59:17,959
stated in the recommendations
as presented by the developer

1194
01:59:17,959 --> 01:59:20,089
today.

1195
01:59:20,089 --> 01:59:22,729
Second motion by
Councilmember burke,

1196
01:59:22,729 --> 01:59:24,619
seconded by Councilmember
Come, put it

1197
01:59:24,619 --> 01:59:31,759
to vote, please Ayes have it.

1198
01:59:31,759 --> 01:59:34,819
Motion carries with that we'll
go ahead and open our next

1199
01:59:34,819 --> 01:59:39,860
public hearing ordinance 2020
6-295 An ordinance establish

1200
01:59:39,860 --> 01:59:42,769
a temporary moratorium on
the data center facilities

1201
01:59:42,769 --> 01:59:44,059
in the town of
Johnson And I'm going

1202
01:59:44,059 --> 01:59:48,410
to ask for a staff report Good
evening, Mayor and council.

1203
01:59:48,410 --> 01:59:50,779
Hope we're all doing
well this evening.

1204
01:59:50,779 --> 01:59:57,157
Before you do have ordinance
number 2026 dash 295.

1205
01:59:57,157 --> 02:00:02,509
The result of the work session
that we conducted with the town

1206
02:00:02,509 --> 02:00:07,369
council staff conduct
with the town council

1207
02:00:07,369 --> 02:00:10,609
to actually discuss
data centers and begin

1208
02:00:10,609 --> 02:00:12,861
the educational and
informational process

1209
02:00:12,861 --> 02:00:17,719
related there to the moratorium
that is presented to you.

1210
02:00:17,719 --> 02:00:22,849
I would establish a 12 month
moratorium piggybacking

1211
02:00:22,849 --> 02:00:28,639
on the committee that was
established we would utilize

1212
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:32,509
the committee together for
information or staff would be

1213
02:00:32,509 --> 02:00:36,409
providing them with information
to evaluate the alternatives

1214
02:00:36,409 --> 02:00:42,289
related to a data center I
would note that once a policy is

1215
02:00:42,289 --> 02:00:45,619
established, whether
that is to establish form

1216
02:00:45,619 --> 02:00:49,579
or a full prohibition
on related to data

1217
02:00:49,579 --> 02:00:55,462
centers or something that does
permit data centers at that time

1218
02:00:55,462 --> 02:01:00,799
in the 12 month moratorium would
cease to exist if, for whatever

1219
02:01:00,799 --> 02:01:05,172
reason that committee desires to
collect additional information.

1220
02:01:05,172 --> 02:01:07,549
And that goes beyond
the 12 month period,

1221
02:01:07,549 --> 02:01:10,639
we would bring something back
that would continue to extend

1222
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:15,139
that moratorium until a date
certain or until the committee

1223
02:01:15,139 --> 02:01:20,179
actually is completed Staff does
recommend approval of Ordinance

1224
02:01:20,179 --> 02:01:27,169
2020 6-2 95 as presented
on first reading

1225
02:01:27,169 --> 02:01:28,669
Happy to answer
any questions you

1226
02:01:28,669 --> 02:01:31,699
might have I'm only questions.

1227
02:01:31,699 --> 02:01:34,189
I think we've hammered is
pretty hard in the working

1228
02:01:34,189 --> 02:01:37,069
meeting and I in support
of the one year moratorium.

1229
02:01:37,069 --> 02:01:43,099
But I'll open it up to Council
for deliberations or questions

1230
02:01:43,099 --> 02:01:46,702
you may have for Matt
Matt, does the year

1231
02:01:46,702 --> 02:01:49,725
start after second reading?

1232
02:01:49,725 --> 02:01:51,122
Yes.

1233
02:01:51,122 --> 02:01:55,669
So actually the year would
start after the effective date,

1234
02:01:55,669 --> 02:02:00,289
which is Seven days
after the second reading.

1235
02:02:00,289 --> 02:02:03,087
So that would be
roughly August 10th.

1236
02:02:03,087 --> 02:02:04,986
Sounds about right.

1237
02:02:04,986 --> 02:02:06,409
Thank you.

1238
02:02:06,409 --> 02:02:18,349
You Any other council comments
or questions other All right.

1239
02:02:18,349 --> 02:02:21,712
With that, we'll go ahead
and open public comment.

1240
02:02:21,712 --> 02:02:30,859
We'll start off with Angela
Swanson Good evening, Mayor.

1241
02:02:30,859 --> 02:02:33,559
Council members and staff,
Thank you for the opportunity

1242
02:02:33,559 --> 02:02:35,389
to speak tonight.

1243
02:02:35,389 --> 02:02:38,119
While data centers can
drive economic investment,

1244
02:02:38,119 --> 02:02:41,959
even mid-scale facilities bring
profound, complex challenges

1245
02:02:41,959 --> 02:02:44,629
that need rigorous
local oversight

1246
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:46,939
This type of development
risks straining

1247
02:02:46,939 --> 02:02:48,649
our city's resources and land.

1248
02:02:48,649 --> 02:02:51,229
So I believe it is in
john's town's best interest

1249
02:02:51,229 --> 02:02:54,949
to put in place a lengthy
moratorium or even a ban.

1250
02:02:54,949 --> 02:02:56,569
So our city leaders
can do the work

1251
02:02:56,569 --> 02:02:59,297
and research including following
up on what's happening.

1252
02:02:59,297 --> 02:03:01,159
And other cities that
have already adopted

1253
02:03:01,159 --> 02:03:03,919
these across the nation.

1254
02:03:03,919 --> 02:03:07,399
While the moratorium provides
necessary time for research,

1255
02:03:07,399 --> 02:03:10,729
it could also include
establishing long, robust zoning

1256
02:03:10,729 --> 02:03:14,689
and protections to put
an actual center in place

1257
02:03:14,689 --> 02:03:18,439
So I guess my primary concern is
the potential for the moratorium

1258
02:03:18,439 --> 02:03:21,289
to end prematurely, and
the public not fully be

1259
02:03:21,289 --> 02:03:25,069
aware due to all the time
that has passed specifically,

1260
02:03:25,069 --> 02:03:27,829
I'm wondering what public
notice and hearing standards

1261
02:03:27,829 --> 02:03:30,169
will apply if that occurs.

1262
02:03:30,169 --> 02:03:32,329
Will local hearing
notification remain

1263
02:03:32,329 --> 02:03:37,399
standard to our already set rule
of ten days prior to a hearing ?

1264
02:03:37,399 --> 02:03:40,260
Or will we make more of an
effort to ensure the public has

1265
02:03:40,260 --> 02:03:41,929
the genuine seat at the table?

1266
02:03:41,929 --> 02:03:43,309
Obviously, some
of these questions

1267
02:03:43,309 --> 02:03:46,129
have been answered tonight
because I do believe the step

1268
02:03:46,129 --> 02:03:48,649
to form the advisory
committee would be helpful,

1269
02:03:48,649 --> 02:03:51,979
but only in gathering that
large of a body of research.

1270
02:03:51,979 --> 02:03:55,159
Because when it comes to
voting, the actual decisions

1271
02:03:55,159 --> 02:03:58,639
are made at the hearings by
the governing body in place.

1272
02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:00,499
I've been in my own
neighborhood meeting

1273
02:04:00,499 --> 02:04:02,599
where everyone in attendance
was against something

1274
02:04:02,599 --> 02:04:05,989
and the motion passed anyway I'm
not insinuating that this is how

1275
02:04:05,989 --> 02:04:08,989
it always goes, but this has
been what I've experienced

1276
02:04:08,989 --> 02:04:10,639
and it was very
discouraged Judging as far

1277
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,009
as influence and advocacy goes.

1278
02:04:13,009 --> 02:04:15,619
Ultimately I'd like to
see our notification

1279
02:04:15,619 --> 02:04:18,169
practices on larger
decisions like this

1280
02:04:18,169 --> 02:04:20,989
improved to be beyond standard.

1281
02:04:20,989 --> 02:04:23,209
I believe current
practices leave residents

1282
02:04:23,209 --> 02:04:26,119
to be the ones to that
must actively monitor how

1283
02:04:26,119 --> 02:04:28,159
this situation
unfolds especially

1284
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:32,089
over the period of a
year A thorough review

1285
02:04:32,089 --> 02:04:35,929
process through a moratorium
is a necessary and honorable

1286
02:04:35,929 --> 02:04:36,649
first step.

1287
02:04:36,649 --> 02:04:40,067
But staying informed and engaged
is the next and much harder

1288
02:04:40,067 --> 02:04:42,381
step for our community
at this point.

1289
02:04:42,381 --> 02:04:46,429
I guess my message switches
over to my fellow residents

1290
02:04:46,429 --> 02:04:50,179
in that regardless of serving
on tonight's proposed committee

1291
02:04:50,179 --> 02:04:52,369
or not, we all have
to stay vigilant,

1292
02:04:52,369 --> 02:04:56,059
keep each other in the loop and
i ask that we dig really, really

1293
02:04:56,059 --> 02:05:00,019
deep when it comes to using our
collective resources and skills

1294
02:05:00,019 --> 02:05:03,558
to keep tabs on what happens
next going forward So

1295
02:05:03,558 --> 02:05:05,329
thank you Thank you.

1296
02:05:05,329 --> 02:05:18,349
Thank you We have Suzanne
and Black next, please Hello.

1297
02:05:18,349 --> 02:05:19,909
Thank you for letting me speak.

1298
02:05:19,909 --> 02:05:23,089
I hadn't really planned
on saying anything.

1299
02:05:23,089 --> 02:05:26,899
I've lived in
Johnstone for 29 years.

1300
02:05:26,899 --> 02:05:28,759
Lots of changes in that time.

1301
02:05:28,759 --> 02:05:32,179
I've raised children
here, but things

1302
02:05:32,179 --> 02:05:33,709
that I've noticed in
the last few years

1303
02:05:33,709 --> 02:05:34,819
are very concerning to me.

1304
02:05:34,819 --> 02:05:40,159
Regarding town government
and most recently this issue

1305
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:41,959
that's at hand.

1306
02:05:41,959 --> 02:05:46,609
But I wanted to personally ask
if anybody on this committee

1307
02:05:46,609 --> 02:05:50,599
has personally signed
any NDA or any agreement,

1308
02:05:50,599 --> 02:05:53,449
any private communication,
such as meetings,

1309
02:05:53,449 --> 02:05:56,329
phone calls, private messages,
emails with any developer

1310
02:05:56,329 --> 02:05:59,689
company landowner, land
owner or representative

1311
02:05:59,689 --> 02:06:02,599
regarding any current
or potential project.

1312
02:06:02,599 --> 02:06:04,489
The good affect the
town of John's town

1313
02:06:04,489 --> 02:06:09,825
or surrounding areas
in any negative way.

1314
02:06:09,825 --> 02:06:11,637
No Nobody going to
mention anything.

1315
02:06:11,637 --> 02:06:12,137
OK.

1316
02:06:12,137 --> 02:06:12,876
All right.

1317
02:06:12,876 --> 02:06:15,799
I just The mayor
ran on transparency

1318
02:06:15,799 --> 02:06:18,979
and I don't feel like
that always happens.

1319
02:06:18,979 --> 02:06:20,659
So I just wanted
to make that clear

1320
02:06:20,659 --> 02:06:23,239
that those are things that
we are very concerned about.

1321
02:06:23,239 --> 02:06:24,349
Thank you.

1322
02:06:24,349 --> 02:06:26,299
Thank you.

1323
02:06:26,299 --> 02:06:29,629
Next up is Dana Karcher.

1324
02:06:29,629 --> 02:06:36,469
Rodger So, sure, if I say that
correctly Mayor, Mayor Pro

1325
02:06:36,469 --> 02:06:38,539
Tem Council members and staff.

1326
02:06:38,539 --> 02:06:41,878
My name is Dana Karcher
I live at 6 to 3.

1327
02:06:41,878 --> 02:06:44,179
Charlotte Street in
regards to the ordinance

1328
02:06:44,179 --> 02:06:45,949
before you tonight
I believe it is

1329
02:06:45,949 --> 02:06:48,619
really disrespectful to
the citizens of Johnstown.

1330
02:06:48,619 --> 02:06:51,497
And it's timing and wording
and this is something

1331
02:06:51,497 --> 02:06:54,649
that I've witnessed before is a
disrespect towards the citizens

1332
02:06:54,649 --> 02:06:59,119
who are out here talking about
something that they do not want

1333
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:00,739
to develop, an ordinance
that would change

1334
02:07:00,739 --> 02:07:02,689
the very face of our
community based on the fact

1335
02:07:02,689 --> 02:07:05,839
that as soon as the
fact finding is done,

1336
02:07:05,839 --> 02:07:08,179
something could be
rushed through Now,

1337
02:07:08,179 --> 02:07:10,297
this may change with
this committee idea,

1338
02:07:10,297 --> 02:07:13,086
but the fact of the matter
is this is not one year,

1339
02:07:13,086 --> 02:07:14,781
this is what gets done first.

1340
02:07:14,781 --> 02:07:16,759
And we need to quit
saying it's one year.

1341
02:07:16,759 --> 02:07:19,099
It needs to be One
year or longer.

1342
02:07:19,099 --> 02:07:22,729
So the wording town
attorney is incorrect.

1343
02:07:22,729 --> 02:07:26,419
Also, it's very loose and
we could be sued on that.

1344
02:07:26,419 --> 02:07:29,299
Or you could be sued
on that very easily.

1345
02:07:29,299 --> 02:07:33,349
We all know that Councilman
bashford has said publicly

1346
02:07:33,349 --> 02:07:36,229
that he is against any ordinance
that brings up a moratorium

1347
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:38,659
for anything in this community.

1348
02:07:38,659 --> 02:07:42,439
We haven't even heard what the
community thinks yet about this.

1349
02:07:42,439 --> 02:07:44,959
So I believe it's
disrespect for.

1350
02:07:44,959 --> 02:07:47,410
I'd like to see it reworded
so that it actually

1351
02:07:47,410 --> 02:07:48,797
says one year and beyond.

1352
02:07:48,797 --> 02:07:51,109
So that we can actually
find out what this is

1353
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:52,309
going to do to our community.

1354
02:07:52,309 --> 02:08:00,679
Thank you Thank you Pauline,
can have you come up.

1355
02:08:00,679 --> 02:08:03,199
I'm not going to try
to say your last name

1356
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:09,619
because I butchered
every time out of respect

1357
02:08:09,619 --> 02:08:10,761
Pauline Emilio Migliore.

1358
02:08:10,761 --> 02:08:11,569
337.

1359
02:08:11,569 --> 02:08:15,199
Granite Way I urge
the Council to approve

1360
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:19,369
the ordinance for the
moratorium and here's why.

1361
02:08:19,369 --> 02:08:21,499
Johnstown is a
distinctive community,

1362
02:08:21,499 --> 02:08:23,989
and we, the people who
call it home possess

1363
02:08:23,989 --> 02:08:25,939
immense pride in our town.

1364
02:08:25,939 --> 02:08:31,429
We celebrate our pride are
proud to agricultural heritage.

1365
02:08:31,429 --> 02:08:36,049
It's welcoming family friendly
atmosphere and local values.

1366
02:08:36,049 --> 02:08:38,389
Johnstown abounds
with beautiful repair

1367
02:08:38,389 --> 02:08:42,319
and areas open, spacious and
vistas of the front range.

1368
02:08:42,319 --> 02:08:44,929
It's a natural canvas
that sets the town

1369
02:08:44,929 --> 02:08:47,149
apart and invites
people to slow down

1370
02:08:47,149 --> 02:08:49,429
and take it all in open space.

1371
02:08:49,429 --> 02:08:52,159
TrailHeads rest areas
along the trails, parks

1372
02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:53,959
create creekside areas.

1373
02:08:53,959 --> 02:08:58,129
The johnstown Reservoir, our
present natural opportunities

1374
02:08:58,129 --> 02:09:00,308
where residents go
to recharge recreate

1375
02:09:00,308 --> 02:09:02,163
and connect with the landscape.

1376
02:09:02,163 --> 02:09:03,091
We love.

1377
02:09:03,091 --> 02:09:04,999
The guiding principles
of community

1378
02:09:04,999 --> 02:09:07,969
centeredness inclusivity,
accessibility

1379
02:09:07,969 --> 02:09:09,589
engagement, partnership.

1380
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:11,569
Collaboration and all
of that good stuff

1381
02:09:11,569 --> 02:09:16,039
is why i made Johnstown my
home for the past ten years.

1382
02:09:16,039 --> 02:09:18,559
So do these sound familiar?

1383
02:09:18,559 --> 02:09:22,379
They're all direct quotes from
the Johnstown Public Art Plain

1384
02:09:22,379 --> 02:09:24,239
as you hear from citizens.

1385
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:26,629
This evening during the
ordinance And yourselves.

1386
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:30,529
Ask yourselves, how can
you logically square

1387
02:09:30,529 --> 02:09:34,939
the careful work of the steering
committee town staff, council,

1388
02:09:34,939 --> 02:09:38,179
seated at the time of
stakeholder interviews focus

1389
02:09:38,179 --> 02:09:42,019
groups, community engagement,
pop ups, community service

1390
02:09:42,019 --> 02:09:45,799
steering committee workshops
mapping charrette, and to town

1391
02:09:45,799 --> 02:09:49,909
council sessions for a public
arts program with a plan

1392
02:09:49,909 --> 02:09:52,399
apparently developed
outside Johnstown Charter

1393
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:56,749
Authority other words,
help us understand

1394
02:09:56,749 --> 02:10:00,889
why seeking community
input for a public art plan

1395
02:10:00,889 --> 02:10:03,388
requires Herculean effort.

1396
02:10:03,388 --> 02:10:08,299
And this ordinance does
not I urge you to approve

1397
02:10:08,299 --> 02:10:12,439
the current ordinance, and I
applaud the advice re committee

1398
02:10:12,439 --> 02:10:17,179
being suggested tonight because
it seems to me it's long overdue

1399
02:10:17,179 --> 02:10:19,549
and a reaction to
the feedback council

1400
02:10:19,549 --> 02:10:24,499
has received recently rather
than intentional planning.

1401
02:10:24,499 --> 02:10:27,259
So please approve this.

1402
02:10:27,259 --> 02:10:30,259
Get this committee
seated and listen

1403
02:10:30,259 --> 02:10:33,184
to the citizens of Johnstown.

1404
02:10:33,184 --> 02:10:37,249
Regardless of what your
preconceived desires are.

1405
02:10:37,249 --> 02:10:38,359
Thank you.

1406
02:10:38,359 --> 02:10:52,009
Thank you Next up is Lisa Lang
Thank you for having me, Mayor.

1407
02:10:52,009 --> 02:10:59,089
Council and staff, town attorney
I have something written down,

1408
02:10:59,089 --> 02:11:02,239
but I was thinking as I
was driving to this meeting

1409
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:07,789
a long time ago when I got here
how beautiful the land is here

1410
02:11:07,789 --> 02:11:13,429
and how I'm driving
through it is so soothing

1411
02:11:13,429 --> 02:11:22,489
that the the farms, the ranches,
the little farm homes, the small

1412
02:11:22,489 --> 02:11:25,519
coming through town
and to miles an hour,

1413
02:11:25,519 --> 02:11:29,689
you know, just the whole feeling
of slowing down and taking

1414
02:11:29,689 --> 02:11:34,429
a breath and enjoying the
beauty that most of Colorado

1415
02:11:34,429 --> 02:11:35,269
wishes they had.

1416
02:11:35,269 --> 02:11:40,939
And they don't What we
do here in Johnstown

1417
02:11:40,939 --> 02:11:45,349
about data centers matters.

1418
02:11:45,349 --> 02:11:50,479
This decision is bigger than
just us These decisions are

1419
02:11:50,479 --> 02:11:52,894
for our families, our
children, our grandkids

1420
02:11:52,894 --> 02:11:56,959
And they also may have serious
impacts on surrounding cities

1421
02:11:56,959 --> 02:12:02,786
and townships in our area
along the Front Range

1422
02:12:02,786 --> 02:12:05,029
But just because big
tech is in a race

1423
02:12:05,029 --> 02:12:06,889
for dominance
control and big money

1424
02:12:06,889 --> 02:12:09,169
doesn't mean that
we're in that race.

1425
02:12:09,169 --> 02:12:13,009
It's our responsibility to make
choices that are best for us

1426
02:12:13,009 --> 02:12:16,129
here in Johnstown
and for our community

1427
02:12:16,129 --> 02:12:19,489
There's time This will not
be a one time only decision

1428
02:12:19,489 --> 02:12:22,639
but will have lasting effects
that may that we may or may not

1429
02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:27,679
get a second chance to get right
I do support a one year to 18

1430
02:12:27,679 --> 02:12:31,189
month moratorium on any
data center consideration

1431
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:35,887
and/or for as long as it takes
for us to know, understand,

1432
02:12:35,887 --> 02:12:42,409
and decide if data
centers are right for us

1433
02:12:42,409 --> 02:12:45,349
Time to create safeguards
for our residents,

1434
02:12:45,349 --> 02:12:49,069
for the power grid for our
water resources our air quality.

1435
02:12:49,069 --> 02:12:50,809
The noise alone
would make anyone

1436
02:12:50,809 --> 02:12:53,029
think more on the subject.

1437
02:12:53,029 --> 02:12:54,379
We want to breathe clean air.

1438
02:12:54,379 --> 02:12:57,109
We want to drink clean water
We want to look at the stars.

1439
02:12:57,109 --> 02:13:00,529
We want to enjoy Colorado for
the beautiful state that it is.

1440
02:13:00,529 --> 02:13:02,959
Perhaps these data
centers need to be tested.

1441
02:13:02,959 --> 02:13:03,529
Reviewed.

1442
02:13:03,529 --> 02:13:04,519
Researched.

1443
02:13:04,519 --> 02:13:07,639
They may need to evolve into
something that makes more sense

1444
02:13:07,639 --> 02:13:10,849
or has less negative
impacts on our environment.

1445
02:13:10,849 --> 02:13:12,409
You know, flying
cars don't make any

1446
02:13:12,409 --> 02:13:14,359
more sense today than
they did in The Jetsons

1447
02:13:14,359 --> 02:13:16,609
cartoons in the 1960s.

1448
02:13:16,609 --> 02:13:20,569
The government literally tested
the atomic bomb in Alamogordo,

1449
02:13:20,569 --> 02:13:23,929
New Mexico So that doesn't
make any sense either.

1450
02:13:23,929 --> 02:13:27,529
The point is, we do not have to
rush to a decision that may take

1451
02:13:27,529 --> 02:13:31,939
forever that may forever change
the landscape of our countryside

1452
02:13:31,939 --> 02:13:33,739
and our lifestyle.

1453
02:13:33,739 --> 02:13:35,899
I believe such
decisions should be made

1454
02:13:35,899 --> 02:13:37,609
by the people in our community.

1455
02:13:37,609 --> 02:13:39,919
This is not a one man show.

1456
02:13:39,919 --> 02:13:42,619
I thought you
respect the council.

1457
02:13:42,619 --> 02:13:44,899
The mayor have been
elected by this community

1458
02:13:44,899 --> 02:13:46,549
and are expected to
be representatives

1459
02:13:46,549 --> 02:13:49,939
of all your constituents
and cities represent us.

1460
02:13:49,939 --> 02:13:52,669
Put it to a vote to the
Johnstone community.

1461
02:13:52,669 --> 02:13:54,529
Let us have a choice
in our future.

1462
02:13:54,529 --> 02:13:59,659
And I do appreciate the comments
and the resolution of bringing

1463
02:13:59,659 --> 02:14:02,839
up a committee of residents.

1464
02:14:02,839 --> 02:14:06,109
I'm not sure how
that's going to look

1465
02:14:06,109 --> 02:14:09,649
in the future I'm not sure how
you're going to select people.

1466
02:14:09,649 --> 02:14:14,689
I don't know if that's going
to weed out or weed in biases.

1467
02:14:14,689 --> 02:14:17,142
If we say we're
for or against it,

1468
02:14:17,142 --> 02:14:20,419
does that mean, we're
out or in or whatever?

1469
02:14:20,419 --> 02:14:22,699
I think that's an issue
that probably needs

1470
02:14:22,699 --> 02:14:31,043
to be thought about before
any kind of PowerPoints

1471
02:14:31,043 --> 02:14:32,659
or talking points.

1472
02:14:32,659 --> 02:14:35,389
Who's going to be elected
or who's going to be select

1473
02:14:35,389 --> 02:14:37,549
voted to be on that committee.

1474
02:14:37,549 --> 02:14:46,849
And I hope that the committee is
is gets along and is able to get

1475
02:14:46,849 --> 02:14:48,349
the information that we need.

1476
02:14:48,349 --> 02:14:51,259
I think that we need to look
at the data centers that

1477
02:14:51,259 --> 02:14:57,109
are already underway that are
built and that are functioning

1478
02:14:57,109 --> 02:15:02,509
and see what the impact of
the community you know impact

1479
02:15:02,509 --> 02:15:04,669
of the centers have
on the community

1480
02:15:04,669 --> 02:15:10,926
And you brought up earlier
Councilwoman Morris

1481
02:15:10,926 --> 02:15:15,619
about the lawsuit,
that lawsuit for 233,

1482
02:15:15,619 --> 02:15:21,289
Bill in gallons of of water
from the Imperial Valley,

1483
02:15:21,289 --> 02:15:23,659
which the imperial
Valley in California

1484
02:15:23,659 --> 02:15:27,109
only received its water
from the Colorado River.

1485
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:30,259
So this data center
is One of the largest.

1486
02:15:30,259 --> 02:15:31,699
It will be the
largest in California.

1487
02:15:31,699 --> 02:15:34,279
And yet, if it's built
in the Imperial valley,

1488
02:15:34,279 --> 02:15:38,659
it has now filed a
lawsuit demanding access

1489
02:15:38,659 --> 02:15:45,529
to 233 million gallons of
water from the Colorado River

1490
02:15:45,529 --> 02:15:50,569
Do we want to be those townships
or the cities that are being

1491
02:15:50,569 --> 02:15:53,389
attacked and lawsuits
filed against us

1492
02:15:53,389 --> 02:15:56,371
for the same situation
Thank you for your time.

1493
02:15:56,371 --> 02:16:03,709
Thank you, Lisa All right.

1494
02:16:03,709 --> 02:16:07,999
With that, do we have any
online public comment?

1495
02:16:07,999 --> 02:16:12,499
Milton, can you do you have
one online public comment?

1496
02:16:12,499 --> 02:16:24,559
Let me put up One moment Comment
was received from Jessica frey.

1497
02:16:24,559 --> 02:16:30,349
132 Jennings Lane and Johnstown
According to his comments

1498
02:16:30,349 --> 02:16:32,959
on Next Door, a post
about Johnstown and data

1499
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:35,539
centers Nick Bashford
has already decided he

1500
02:16:35,539 --> 02:16:37,459
will vote no on the moratorium.

1501
02:16:37,459 --> 02:16:40,609
To quote him directly, I
have a lot of experience

1502
02:16:40,609 --> 02:16:43,879
in all of this, enough to
advise on smart policy.

1503
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:45,529
I hope the rest of
council and the Mayor

1504
02:16:45,529 --> 02:16:47,719
will listen to the people of
Johnstown and their concerns.

1505
02:16:47,719 --> 02:16:48,649
First.

1506
02:16:48,649 --> 02:16:51,739
At the work session last week,
no one from the council or town

1507
02:16:51,739 --> 02:16:54,229
staff could say whether the
water needed for cooling

1508
02:16:54,229 --> 02:16:55,639
has to be portable.

1509
02:16:55,639 --> 02:16:58,519
When asked whether there was
data on the number of gallons

1510
02:16:58,519 --> 02:17:01,159
needed for a closed loop
system, the town staff

1511
02:17:01,159 --> 02:17:03,169
explained they could
not find sources

1512
02:17:03,169 --> 02:17:05,029
they felt were factual
enough to include them

1513
02:17:05,029 --> 02:17:07,369
in their presentation
and so that information

1514
02:17:07,369 --> 02:17:09,109
wasn't provided by them.

1515
02:17:09,109 --> 02:17:12,679
This is likely due to the Nda's
municipality is required to sign

1516
02:17:12,679 --> 02:17:15,379
as a condition of bringing
datacentres to their communities

1517
02:17:15,379 --> 02:17:17,119
which severely limits
what's publicly

1518
02:17:17,119 --> 02:17:18,379
known about these facilities.

1519
02:17:18,379 --> 02:17:20,179
Impact on water
supplies and power

1520
02:17:20,179 --> 02:17:23,869
grids It should concern everyone
that these companies require

1521
02:17:23,869 --> 02:17:27,451
an NDA to keep that information
private and the town staff

1522
02:17:27,451 --> 02:17:27,951
decide.

1523
02:17:27,951 --> 02:17:30,109
Despite significant
research, still could not

1524
02:17:30,109 --> 02:17:31,909
find it for the work session.

1525
02:17:31,909 --> 02:17:34,699
What's before you tonight is
a request that the town do

1526
02:17:34,699 --> 02:17:38,239
its due diligence and gather all
available factual information

1527
02:17:38,239 --> 02:17:40,819
before making a decision that
will affect the community.

1528
02:17:40,819 --> 02:17:42,409
Passing a moratorium.

1529
02:17:42,409 --> 02:17:44,059
Given this body's
responsibilities to

1530
02:17:44,059 --> 02:17:46,328
the community, Fiduciary yes.

1531
02:17:46,328 --> 02:17:48,617
But also public welfare
and civic stewardship.

1532
02:17:48,617 --> 02:17:51,499
I hope and expect that proper
time will be given to ensure

1533
02:17:51,499 --> 02:17:54,439
our community and the citizens
who elected you are protected

1534
02:17:54,439 --> 02:17:57,469
and that a quick decision isn't
made without proper vetting.

1535
02:17:57,469 --> 02:17:59,549
Thank you for your time.

1536
02:17:59,549 --> 02:18:00,049
Thank you.

1537
02:18:00,049 --> 02:18:02,419
With that will go and close
out public comment before we

1538
02:18:02,419 --> 02:18:04,322
close out the public hearing.

1539
02:18:04,322 --> 02:18:08,329
This council want to
deliberate further.

1540
02:18:08,329 --> 02:18:11,749
Actually, I want to know
if we can change the motion

1541
02:18:11,749 --> 02:18:15,529
to include it to be one year.

1542
02:18:15,529 --> 02:18:18,019
And when she said beyond
So how about we say

1543
02:18:18,019 --> 02:18:21,985
1 to 2 years until we have
the answers from the committee

1544
02:18:21,985 --> 02:18:23,359
you suggested?

1545
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:25,999
Can we change that to
where that's on there?

1546
02:18:25,999 --> 02:18:29,119
If you read it carefully
in Section three,

1547
02:18:29,119 --> 02:18:33,559
what it says is 12
months, unless you adopt,

1548
02:18:33,559 --> 02:18:35,809
decide you want
to adopt standards

1549
02:18:35,809 --> 02:18:37,189
ahead of time which you can do.

1550
02:18:37,189 --> 02:18:38,869
If not, it's 12 months.

1551
02:18:38,869 --> 02:18:41,209
And then it says the town
council reserves the right

1552
02:18:41,209 --> 02:18:44,749
to extend the moratorium if
the town council determines

1553
02:18:44,749 --> 02:18:46,909
at its discretion
that additional time

1554
02:18:46,909 --> 02:18:50,119
time is required to complete
the regulatory process.

1555
02:18:50,119 --> 02:18:53,926
So we could certainly
change this to 18 months.

1556
02:18:53,926 --> 02:18:54,922
If you want.

1557
02:18:54,922 --> 02:18:57,169
But right now as
it is 12 months,

1558
02:18:57,169 --> 02:19:01,519
you will still have the
opportunity in 11.5, 12 months

1559
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:02,839
to extend this if you want.

1560
02:19:02,839 --> 02:19:07,429
This isn't foreclosing
a longer moratorium.

1561
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:11,449
So you do whatever direction
you all want to go Thank you.

1562
02:19:11,449 --> 02:19:13,999
Obviously, the language
already supports if we want

1563
02:19:13,999 --> 02:19:15,229
to come back and extend it out.

1564
02:19:15,229 --> 02:19:19,128
Perfect Anything
further from council?

1565
02:19:19,128 --> 02:19:21,739
No nothing further
on this topic.

1566
02:19:21,739 --> 02:19:23,449
I do want to bring up
one of the comments,

1567
02:19:23,449 --> 02:19:25,792
and I can only speak for myself.

1568
02:19:25,792 --> 02:19:26,359
I was brought up.

1569
02:19:26,359 --> 02:19:30,889
Did anybody you know, I can say
emphatically no that I am not

1570
02:19:30,889 --> 02:19:35,539
on in the contract paid
supported by have anything

1571
02:19:35,539 --> 02:19:39,199
to any developer or
any business that's

1572
02:19:39,199 --> 02:19:43,340
moving to Johnston Somebody
stole the words out of my mouth.

1573
02:19:43,340 --> 02:19:45,589
Those part of my
closing comments

1574
02:19:45,589 --> 02:19:48,260
So I go on the record to
there's no NDA out there.

1575
02:19:48,260 --> 02:19:51,231
There's no secret contract,
there's no conspiracy theory,

1576
02:19:51,231 --> 02:19:53,196
there's no application
before the town.

1577
02:19:53,196 --> 02:19:56,772
Sometimes as a leader you have
to be forward thinking You know,

1578
02:19:56,772 --> 02:19:57,739
that's kind of the hard part.

1579
02:19:57,739 --> 02:19:58,669
Being a mayor, period.

1580
02:19:58,669 --> 02:20:00,159
You got to look 30 years ahead.

1581
02:20:00,159 --> 02:20:03,589
And how we're going to keep
this town protected along with

1582
02:20:03,589 --> 02:20:05,149
grow smart growth.

1583
02:20:05,149 --> 02:20:08,029
So, you know, I want to record
there's nothing before us

1584
02:20:08,029 --> 02:20:12,229
tonight and there's no NDA that
I've signed or seen or allegedly

1585
02:20:12,229 --> 02:20:16,939
signed So you're welcome
with that Anything further

1586
02:20:16,939 --> 02:20:17,659
from council?

1587
02:20:17,659 --> 02:20:19,639
I'll also add
myself to that list.

1588
02:20:19,639 --> 02:20:21,664
And that I have not
talked to any developers

1589
02:20:21,664 --> 02:20:26,269
about data centers at all
either I'll follow up.

1590
02:20:26,269 --> 02:20:30,390
I have not sign anything I don't
get Anti Kickback for anything.

1591
02:20:30,390 --> 02:20:33,529
Look at my bank statement.

1592
02:20:33,529 --> 02:20:35,175
It's pretty sad.

1593
02:20:35,175 --> 02:20:37,819
Yes yes, yes.

1594
02:20:37,819 --> 02:20:39,889
Well, I mean, being the
mayor's a tough gig.

1595
02:20:39,889 --> 02:20:41,959
We get 185 bucks to
work in meetings.

1596
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:45,079
So it's not a I call it my
a part time full time job.

1597
02:20:45,079 --> 02:20:47,479
You know, it takes a lot of
peer to answer a lot of citizens

1598
02:20:47,479 --> 02:20:49,999
questions And I may not
get it right every time

1599
02:20:49,999 --> 02:20:53,089
but at least try to make myself
available to hear everybody

1600
02:20:53,089 --> 02:20:58,399
out and give some kind of outlet
to give you guys a voice back,

1601
02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:02,089
you know, because when we
started transpo RNC up here,

1602
02:21:02,089 --> 02:21:04,699
you know online public
comment wasn't read.

1603
02:21:04,699 --> 02:21:06,049
You had three minutes to speak.

1604
02:21:06,049 --> 02:21:06,949
Now you have five.

1605
02:21:06,949 --> 02:21:08,990
An online public
comment is here.

1606
02:21:08,990 --> 02:21:12,049
And if I can answer your
questions or get them answered,

1607
02:21:12,049 --> 02:21:13,159
I'll get them answered here.

1608
02:21:13,159 --> 02:21:14,839
I may not get it
the first time here.

1609
02:21:14,839 --> 02:21:16,459
Maybe some follow up
or follow through.

1610
02:21:16,459 --> 02:21:18,620
But hey, so minimum
stay on top of me

1611
02:21:18,620 --> 02:21:20,269
because I get a lot of emails.

1612
02:21:20,269 --> 02:21:23,629
I answer a lot of people back
and folks who mailed in that

1613
02:21:23,629 --> 02:21:24,979
were against the data center.

1614
02:21:24,979 --> 02:21:27,949
I took the time to email each
and every one of you back,

1615
02:21:27,949 --> 02:21:29,419
and if I missed you I apologize.

1616
02:21:29,419 --> 02:21:34,449
But I get a lot of emails So
it's a it's a tough job up here.

1617
02:21:34,449 --> 02:21:36,729
Sometimes, but sometimes
you got to be the good guy,

1618
02:21:36,729 --> 02:21:39,019
the bad guy or the neutral
guy because, you know,

1619
02:21:39,019 --> 02:21:42,919
I'm representing 20,000
residents up here So I got

1620
02:21:42,919 --> 02:21:44,209
to I got to work for everyone.

1621
02:21:44,209 --> 02:21:46,339
Everyone's my boss here,
whether you know it or not.

1622
02:21:46,339 --> 02:21:48,808
So thank you, Dave.

1623
02:21:48,808 --> 02:21:53,239
You know I worked for a lot
more people than everyone,

1624
02:21:53,239 --> 02:21:58,279
so I work for everyone
You know Yeah.

1625
02:21:58,279 --> 02:22:02,760
How about we just keep the
conjecture down a little bit.

1626
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:04,219
And let's Let's keep it.

1627
02:22:04,219 --> 02:22:07,429
Let's keep it even
flush with everybody.

1628
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:09,539
I think we've respected
you interrupt.

1629
02:22:09,539 --> 02:22:11,689
You've had your cell phone
back for an extended period.

1630
02:22:11,689 --> 02:22:12,529
Well, that's fine.

1631
02:22:12,529 --> 02:22:13,909
That's my time up
here as a mayor.

1632
02:22:13,909 --> 02:22:17,089
You're welcome to run for a city
council or town council whatever

1633
02:22:17,089 --> 02:22:21,709
you find your time to serve
best up here and give your ideas

1634
02:22:21,709 --> 02:22:24,979
and your conjecture We
have elections in 2028,

1635
02:22:24,979 --> 02:22:28,408
so you're welcome to come
forward and put your put

1636
02:22:28,408 --> 02:22:30,889
your name and face out there
and tell us what you're about

1637
02:22:30,889 --> 02:22:32,569
and represent your community.

1638
02:22:32,569 --> 02:22:35,419
We recommend that come forward.

1639
02:22:35,419 --> 02:22:38,719
I like to see more participants
in the community step forward.

1640
02:22:38,719 --> 02:22:42,199
Hey, when i got into
this business, I never

1641
02:22:42,199 --> 02:22:43,039
been a politician.

1642
02:22:43,039 --> 02:22:44,599
I was a military
guy for 20 years.

1643
02:22:44,599 --> 02:22:46,639
And folks who they need
a little bit of change.

1644
02:22:46,639 --> 02:22:47,239
But you know what?

1645
02:22:47,239 --> 02:22:48,472
I'm gonna go throw
my hat in the ring

1646
02:22:48,472 --> 02:22:50,899
and, hey, you can call it ugly.

1647
02:22:50,899 --> 02:22:52,114
Good bad, ugly.

1648
02:22:52,114 --> 02:22:53,869
You got to have
tough skin up here.

1649
02:22:53,869 --> 02:22:56,029
We're not going to get
everything right tonight.

1650
02:22:56,029 --> 02:22:58,579
But I think we've
listened to the citizens

1651
02:22:58,579 --> 02:23:02,629
and we got an ordinance before
us to really do some research

1652
02:23:02,629 --> 02:23:04,549
and dig into this and
give you guys voice back.

1653
02:23:04,549 --> 02:23:07,239
And I think that's what's the
most important piece tonight.

1654
02:23:07,239 --> 02:23:08,839
So with that, I'll go to
ask if there's anything

1655
02:23:08,839 --> 02:23:10,909
further from the council for
I close out the public hearing

1656
02:23:10,909 --> 02:23:13,927
on All right.

1657
02:23:13,927 --> 02:23:14,479
Nothing further.

1658
02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:16,459
I'm going to go ahead and
close out the public hearing

1659
02:23:16,459 --> 02:23:19,849
and I'll go ahead and make the
motion to adopt ordinance number

1660
02:23:19,849 --> 02:23:24,139
2020 6-295 on first reading,
Establishing a temporary

1661
02:23:24,139 --> 02:23:26,299
moratorium on the data
center facilities in the town

1662
02:23:26,299 --> 02:23:29,149
of Johnstown, which prohibits
the town from accepting

1663
02:23:29,149 --> 02:23:32,089
applications, are engaging in
precedent or activities for data

1664
02:23:32,089 --> 02:23:35,299
center facilities for a period
of 12 months from an effective

1665
02:23:35,299 --> 02:23:36,769
date of the ordinance.

1666
02:23:36,769 --> 02:23:41,857
Second motion by myself seconded
by Council member Morris

1667
02:23:41,857 --> 02:23:43,201
was go and put it to electronic.

1668
02:23:43,201 --> 02:23:46,219
OK So in the read ordinance
title, first, Thank you, Mayor.

1669
02:23:46,219 --> 02:23:50,239
You know, to myself
Ordinance number 2020 6-295.

1670
02:23:50,239 --> 02:23:52,669
An ordinance establishing
a temporary moratorium

1671
02:23:52,669 --> 02:23:57,269
on data center facilities
in the town of Johnstown.

1672
02:23:57,269 --> 02:23:57,769
Thank you.

1673
02:23:57,769 --> 02:24:05,779
With that, I'll go ahead
and put the electronic vote

1674
02:24:05,779 --> 02:24:07,849
I thought the ayes
have it motion carries.

1675
02:24:07,849 --> 02:24:09,739
Thank you, everybody,
for coming out tonight.

1676
02:24:09,739 --> 02:24:12,769
With that, we're going to
move into council comments.

1677
02:24:12,769 --> 02:24:16,915
I'll go and start off with
council member means is

1678
02:24:16,915 --> 02:24:28,579
i think my group chief Oglesby
where are we with the weed

1679
02:24:28,579 --> 02:24:32,840
mitigation ordinance that we
passed or have we been issuing

1680
02:24:32,840 --> 02:24:41,599
citation and No, but we have.

1681
02:24:41,599 --> 02:24:45,979
We did turn your Mike on Sorry.

1682
02:24:45,979 --> 02:24:47,479
That's okay.

1683
02:24:47,479 --> 02:24:50,181
Yeah They've been working very
hard on the weed situation.

1684
02:24:50,181 --> 02:24:52,837
But I can't give you a
direct number right now.

1685
02:24:52,837 --> 02:24:56,149
OK Because obviously,
with the drought weeds,

1686
02:24:56,149 --> 02:24:57,379
weeds, love drought.

1687
02:24:57,379 --> 02:25:01,605
I wish grass, love, drought
but weeds love drought.

1688
02:25:01,605 --> 02:25:06,199
OK I know.

1689
02:25:06,199 --> 02:25:09,409
I'm going back to a topic that
nobody wants to talk about,

1690
02:25:09,409 --> 02:25:16,069
but have any matt or Mitzi
have any of the maintenance

1691
02:25:16,069 --> 02:25:23,449
repair items that we brought up
to Dr. Coker on our 622 meeting.

1692
02:25:23,449 --> 02:25:29,779
Been fixed or have they
presented bids to repair

1693
02:25:29,779 --> 02:25:31,309
the things that were shown?

1694
02:25:31,309 --> 02:25:38,209
Because Dr. Coker indicated that
he would look into it right away

1695
02:25:38,209 --> 02:25:42,139
Mayor and council I'd have not
received nine communication

1696
02:25:42,139 --> 02:25:45,889
regarding that, but I will
check into that this week

1697
02:25:45,889 --> 02:25:51,919
and let me know at the
end of the week Also,

1698
02:25:51,919 --> 02:25:58,189
Mr. Levinson mentioned that the
to her 2025 audit of the why

1699
02:25:58,189 --> 02:26:01,759
was delayed due to the
vacation of the auditor,

1700
02:26:01,759 --> 02:26:06,799
and he said that it would be
forthcoming after he returned

1701
02:26:06,799 --> 02:26:09,769
from he or she
returned from vacation

1702
02:26:09,769 --> 02:26:11,989
So it's been almost a month.

1703
02:26:11,989 --> 02:26:17,689
Do we have the audit marion
Council We have not received

1704
02:26:17,689 --> 02:26:19,489
the audit at this time.

1705
02:26:19,489 --> 02:26:22,429
And I notice that
the June financials

1706
02:26:22,429 --> 02:26:23,959
are not in the packet.

1707
02:26:23,959 --> 02:26:29,480
So we have not received those as
well from the mayor and council.

1708
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:35,479
Those were received on
Friday some time, maybe.

1709
02:26:35,479 --> 02:26:38,269
I don't recall
exactly what time,

1710
02:26:38,269 --> 02:26:41,809
but the packet was already
distributed on Thursday

1711
02:26:41,809 --> 02:26:44,209
as it normally is Right.

1712
02:26:44,209 --> 02:26:50,329
OK Councilmember Morris you
have mentioned many times

1713
02:26:50,329 --> 02:26:53,539
that your role on
the board of the YMCA

1714
02:26:53,539 --> 02:26:57,469
is to improve the communication
between the town and the Y.

1715
02:26:57,469 --> 02:27:00,859
So i would like to ask if
it would be possible for you

1716
02:27:00,859 --> 02:27:05,569
to give us a report, a monthly
report from the board meetings

1717
02:27:05,569 --> 02:27:07,429
and what's happening.

1718
02:27:07,429 --> 02:27:11,359
And I think it's it's
important that we have

1719
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:16,309
this line of communication,
but we haven't heard from you

1720
02:27:16,309 --> 02:27:19,219
since you've been on the
board of what goes on

1721
02:27:19,219 --> 02:27:22,999
in their meetings and Well, I
have mentioned at least once,

1722
02:27:22,999 --> 02:27:25,549
but we had some meetings
that were canceled.

1723
02:27:25,549 --> 02:27:30,289
And then I recently aligned with
Brittany since she's taken over

1724
02:27:30,289 --> 02:27:32,089
and she's going to
be giving me reports

1725
02:27:32,089 --> 02:27:34,759
every month so that I can do it.

1726
02:27:34,759 --> 02:27:37,879
I was suggesting on the
second meeting of the month,

1727
02:27:37,879 --> 02:27:42,799
we did not have one in the last
month because of barbecue days.

1728
02:27:42,799 --> 02:27:46,069
So that is so coming.

1729
02:27:46,069 --> 02:27:48,259
What do they what
do they they meet

1730
02:27:48,259 --> 02:27:51,439
the first Friday of every
month, first Friday at 730

1731
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:52,339
in the morning.

1732
02:27:52,339 --> 02:27:57,109
And so did they not meet
in July either on that?

1733
02:27:57,109 --> 02:27:59,389
Is that the one that
I did not go to?

1734
02:27:59,389 --> 02:28:00,829
Yeah, I did not go to that one.

1735
02:28:00,829 --> 02:28:04,039
I had staff in or family
in town and we were

1736
02:28:04,039 --> 02:28:05,479
preparing for barbecue days.

1737
02:28:05,479 --> 02:28:08,239
So I did not barbecue
days is in June.

1738
02:28:08,239 --> 02:28:09,589
I'm asking about July.

1739
02:28:09,589 --> 02:28:12,952
Oh, June, July seven.

1740
02:28:12,952 --> 02:28:19,069
But it just be a similar report
that any other like the library

1741
02:28:19,069 --> 02:28:21,079
board submits their
meeting minutes

1742
02:28:21,079 --> 02:28:27,859
Could we just ask that the YMCA
would submit that same data?

1743
02:28:27,859 --> 02:28:28,729
I'm fine with that.

1744
02:28:28,729 --> 02:28:31,249
I just mean, if we
are really trying

1745
02:28:31,249 --> 02:28:34,099
to improve our communicate and
I think it's important to know

1746
02:28:34,099 --> 02:28:36,109
what the board is discussing.

1747
02:28:36,109 --> 02:28:38,299
I mean, I come with
my behavioral health.

1748
02:28:38,299 --> 02:28:40,999
I mean, we don't meet,
we meet quarterly.

1749
02:28:40,999 --> 02:28:43,579
So it's, you know, it's
not a monthly situation

1750
02:28:43,579 --> 02:28:47,599
but I think it's important for
all of us that serve on a board

1751
02:28:47,599 --> 02:28:50,329
to bring that to council.

1752
02:28:50,329 --> 02:28:54,236
So that we know what's happening
And I just would, you know,

1753
02:28:54,236 --> 02:28:57,671
I know the is a hot
topic right now.

1754
02:28:57,671 --> 02:28:59,839
And I think that
it's important for us

1755
02:28:59,839 --> 02:29:02,269
to keep the line of
communication open

1756
02:29:02,269 --> 02:29:04,789
and know what's going on there.

1757
02:29:04,789 --> 02:29:06,799
And then they know
what's going on here.

1758
02:29:06,799 --> 02:29:07,399
I agree.

1759
02:29:07,399 --> 02:29:10,099
And I've asked in
the past from Pat

1760
02:29:10,099 --> 02:29:13,039
and I think just the transition
between Pat and Britney

1761
02:29:13,039 --> 02:29:16,699
and all the time last summer
that there were cancellations

1762
02:29:16,699 --> 02:29:21,169
of meetings because of
staff being on vacation

1763
02:29:21,169 --> 02:29:24,199
and then also the whole
entire topic of the why

1764
02:29:24,199 --> 02:29:25,729
has kind of been in front of us.

1765
02:29:25,729 --> 02:29:29,239
So I didn't think they had
anything specific extra

1766
02:29:29,239 --> 02:29:30,499
that they needed to discuss.

1767
02:29:30,499 --> 02:29:32,648
But I have already
put that in place.

1768
02:29:32,648 --> 02:29:35,899
And she's going to be getting
me a report every month.

1769
02:29:35,899 --> 02:29:37,699
And then it'll be
I'll, I'll talk

1770
02:29:37,699 --> 02:29:40,909
about it at my council
meetings on the second meeting

1771
02:29:40,909 --> 02:29:41,569
of the month.

1772
02:29:41,569 --> 02:29:42,649
Okay That's great.

1773
02:29:42,649 --> 02:29:43,189
Thank you.

1774
02:29:43,189 --> 02:29:43,909
That's all I have.

1775
02:29:43,909 --> 02:29:45,379
Thank you, Mayor.

1776
02:29:45,379 --> 02:29:46,999
Councilmember Burke.

1777
02:29:46,999 --> 02:29:52,879
Nothing's reported this
time Cast member Morris.

1778
02:29:52,879 --> 02:29:56,483
So I just wanted to thank
everybody for coming out

1779
02:29:56,483 --> 02:30:00,019
and for the passion that you
have for this town and the love

1780
02:30:00,019 --> 02:30:02,899
that you have for this town and
everything that you've said.

1781
02:30:02,899 --> 02:30:06,349
I know that there was a lot of
outbursts of happiness and joy

1782
02:30:06,349 --> 02:30:09,799
for some comments and
i understand that.

1783
02:30:09,799 --> 02:30:13,099
And it it's when you really
are passionate about something,

1784
02:30:13,099 --> 02:30:15,079
it's hard to not let that out.

1785
02:30:15,079 --> 02:30:18,199
So I do want to thank
everybody and for that

1786
02:30:18,199 --> 02:30:24,291
as well And we're going to be
studying this with these folks.

1787
02:30:24,291 --> 02:30:25,639
And hopefully learning more.

1788
02:30:25,639 --> 02:30:26,899
All of us.

1789
02:30:26,899 --> 02:30:29,119
And then I wanted
to ask why we're

1790
02:30:29,119 --> 02:30:33,619
here about the why I'm not sure
if it's Matt that I ask you.

1791
02:30:33,619 --> 02:30:36,379
Can you really
permission for the YMCA

1792
02:30:36,379 --> 02:30:38,899
to be able to talk
to the auditor

1793
02:30:38,899 --> 02:30:41,946
since they have agreed to
pay for half of the audit.

1794
02:30:41,946 --> 02:30:45,139
So they can discuss the
numbers that were incorrect?

1795
02:30:45,139 --> 02:30:47,869
So we can get this finalized?

1796
02:30:47,869 --> 02:30:51,889
I know that they did
meet Mitzi and the CFO

1797
02:30:51,889 --> 02:30:57,139
and they were wanting to try to
get that negotiated and there

1798
02:30:57,139 --> 02:31:00,439
was I asked about the question,
speaking of the information

1799
02:31:00,439 --> 02:31:03,169
from the way i did
end up asking him

1800
02:31:03,169 --> 02:31:06,269
if they figured out what
the number was Because if we

1801
02:31:06,269 --> 02:31:08,719
remember correctly when they
came before us marks that there

1802
02:31:08,719 --> 02:31:10,789
was an exact number
on this spreadsheet

1803
02:31:10,789 --> 02:31:14,419
out to the dollars
and cents that had

1804
02:31:14,419 --> 02:31:15,679
to be wrong because
you can't come

1805
02:31:15,679 --> 02:31:17,509
up with that same exact number.

1806
02:31:17,509 --> 02:31:21,699
So I think that for all
intents and see that we be

1807
02:31:21,699 --> 02:31:23,266
able to let them talk to them.

1808
02:31:23,266 --> 02:31:25,639
So that they can question
and figure out what

1809
02:31:25,639 --> 02:31:29,089
it is that might be missing
or that might be in error.

1810
02:31:29,089 --> 02:31:31,484
So we can come to a
final dollar amount.

1811
02:31:31,484 --> 02:31:37,669
And get this put behind us
Is that possible So Mayor

1812
02:31:37,669 --> 02:31:42,829
and council the full
funds of 35,000 associated

1813
02:31:42,829 --> 02:31:48,079
with the audit have been fully
expended There is no more money.

1814
02:31:48,079 --> 02:31:53,569
So if I if they want
to talk to the auditors

1815
02:31:53,569 --> 02:31:58,309
they would need to engage
contractually with i Bailey

1816
02:31:58,309 --> 02:32:04,003
to continue that
process So they're not.

1817
02:32:04,003 --> 02:32:05,758
So they're the auditors
are not allowed

1818
02:32:05,758 --> 02:32:09,649
to talk to them about
mistakes or not mistakes

1819
02:32:09,649 --> 02:32:11,239
that they made in the audit.

1820
02:32:11,239 --> 02:32:16,399
So so the hours allocated for
that contract have been expended

1821
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:21,049
probably above and beyond that
isn't to say that they probably

1822
02:32:21,049 --> 02:32:23,209
couldn't talk to the
auditors but they

1823
02:32:23,209 --> 02:32:25,489
would need to go under
contract themselves

1824
02:32:25,489 --> 02:32:29,390
to actually have to pay for it.

1825
02:32:29,390 --> 02:32:32,659
Bailey To continue services,
if that was something I'd.

1826
02:32:32,659 --> 02:32:36,589
Bailey wanted to continue
forward with, OK Brittany,

1827
02:32:36,589 --> 02:32:38,549
can you pass that
information along?

1828
02:32:38,549 --> 02:32:43,879
OK I just was curious why
they cannot if they truly made

1829
02:32:43,879 --> 02:32:45,169
a mistake you
think you'd be able

1830
02:32:45,169 --> 02:32:47,089
to ask someone
about that mistake

1831
02:32:47,089 --> 02:32:48,409
without having to pay for it?

1832
02:32:48,409 --> 02:32:52,579
That that's just my you know,
being naive about an audit.

1833
02:32:52,579 --> 02:32:53,599
I've never been audited.

1834
02:32:53,599 --> 02:32:56,569
So that was an exit for me.

1835
02:32:56,569 --> 02:33:00,559
And then we also have the
upcoming course of my brain

1836
02:33:00,559 --> 02:33:01,939
just went completely blank.

1837
02:33:01,939 --> 02:33:04,399
But upcoming
neighborhood night out

1838
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:09,929
with the Y and tPR and the town
is going to be involved in that

1839
02:33:09,929 --> 02:33:10,429
still.

1840
02:33:10,429 --> 02:33:12,988
What date is that ?

1841
02:33:12,988 --> 02:33:14,662
Friday night at Nelsen Park.

1842
02:33:14,662 --> 02:33:15,499
Thank you.

1843
02:33:15,499 --> 02:33:18,499
You Thank you.

1844
02:33:18,499 --> 02:33:19,309
Councilmember Morris.

1845
02:33:19,309 --> 02:33:26,269
Councilmember Bashford I have
a couple topics for tonight

1846
02:33:26,269 --> 02:33:28,069
First, we're going to
talk about the letter

1847
02:33:28,069 --> 02:33:31,339
that never reached us Mayor,
fellow council members

1848
02:33:31,339 --> 02:33:33,439
and neighbors At
our last meeting

1849
02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:35,599
I told you nearly
every concern that

1850
02:33:35,599 --> 02:33:39,019
was raised in 2017 about our
way and see a partnership

1851
02:33:39,019 --> 02:33:40,429
has come true.

1852
02:33:40,429 --> 02:33:43,639
And I quoted it from the
record to show it tonight.

1853
02:33:43,639 --> 02:33:46,099
I want to tell you about one
document from that record

1854
02:33:46,099 --> 02:33:49,309
that most of this council has
never seen I want to tell you

1855
02:33:49,309 --> 02:33:51,649
about it because the
way it was handled then

1856
02:33:51,649 --> 02:33:56,794
is the same problem we're living
with now at 1047 on the night

1857
02:33:56,794 --> 02:34:01,069
of March fifth, 2017 15 days
before this council selected

1858
02:34:01,069 --> 02:34:04,099
the YMCA, a detailed
written warning

1859
02:34:04,099 --> 02:34:07,999
arrived in a former council
member, Gary Leib Sachs inbox.

1860
02:34:07,999 --> 02:34:10,189
It came from former
employees and members

1861
02:34:10,189 --> 02:34:13,489
of the YMCA of Boulder
Valley, and it was not a rant.

1862
02:34:13,489 --> 02:34:17,209
It was specific It described an
organization carrying roughly

1863
02:34:17,209 --> 02:34:20,839
$800,000 in debt,
talked about nepotism,

1864
02:34:20,839 --> 02:34:23,299
and described a culture
where leadership reported

1865
02:34:23,299 --> 02:34:27,349
in their words, quote,
favorable numbers while, quote,

1866
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:31,879
only a select few have regular
eyes on the core fiscal reports

1867
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:33,979
Five minutes later,
that same anonymous

1868
02:34:33,979 --> 02:34:37,339
sender sent it to former
council member Troy Mallon.

1869
02:34:37,339 --> 02:34:39,589
And that's where it
appears to have stopped.

1870
02:34:39,589 --> 02:34:42,739
Two of the seven members of the
council received that warning.

1871
02:34:42,739 --> 02:34:47,509
That letter never appears in the
March 20th 2017 council packet.

1872
02:34:47,509 --> 02:34:50,569
It's never mentioned in
the minutes in the files

1873
02:34:50,569 --> 02:34:51,499
I've reviewed.

1874
02:34:51,499 --> 02:34:52,493
There's no email.

1875
02:34:52,493 --> 02:34:54,529
The former mayor Scott
James knob forward

1876
02:34:54,529 --> 02:35:00,199
to staff no reply, no
discussion and no verification

1877
02:35:00,199 --> 02:35:03,229
15 days later, council
voted to enter a partnership

1878
02:35:03,229 --> 02:35:06,289
with that organization
and it's possible

1879
02:35:06,289 --> 02:35:09,409
that three of the four
members casting that vote

1880
02:35:09,409 --> 02:35:13,849
had no idea the wording
existed It's important to note

1881
02:35:13,849 --> 02:35:16,969
that former council
member Loebsack voted yes,

1882
02:35:16,969 --> 02:35:21,019
while former council member
Mellen recused I want

1883
02:35:21,019 --> 02:35:22,729
to be careful and fair here.

1884
02:35:22,729 --> 02:35:24,829
I can't prove that
no one ever mentioned

1885
02:35:24,829 --> 02:35:26,659
it in the hallway conversation.

1886
02:35:26,659 --> 02:35:29,239
I can only tell you what
the record shows which

1887
02:35:29,239 --> 02:35:31,729
is that a written
specific firsthand warning

1888
02:35:31,729 --> 02:35:35,989
about our partner fiscal
transparency reached the council

1889
02:35:35,989 --> 02:35:39,529
and evaporated before it
could inform the decision.

1890
02:35:39,529 --> 02:35:41,509
And I would ask you
to sit with that.

1891
02:35:41,509 --> 02:35:43,459
With what that letter predicted.

1892
02:35:43,459 --> 02:35:46,039
Favorable numbers, few eyes.

1893
02:35:46,039 --> 02:35:48,349
The total difference
between the town YMCA

1894
02:35:48,349 --> 02:35:54,439
and his numbers is $211,546.62.

1895
02:35:54,439 --> 02:35:56,749
The people that wrote
that letter in 2017

1896
02:35:56,749 --> 02:36:00,559
were not making up stories
They were witnesses.

1897
02:36:00,559 --> 02:36:05,329
And here is why that is not
just history The failure in 2017

1898
02:36:05,329 --> 02:36:05,899
was not that.

1899
02:36:05,899 --> 02:36:10,339
No one no knew Someone
always knows the failure was

1900
02:36:10,339 --> 02:36:13,579
that our institution had no
way to make sure that what one

1901
02:36:13,579 --> 02:36:17,569
member, Neil all members,
Neil and colleagues

1902
02:36:17,569 --> 02:36:20,539
I would gently ask you
are we confident that

1903
02:36:20,539 --> 02:36:24,649
has changed when fiscal
discrepancies surfaced today?

1904
02:36:24,649 --> 02:36:26,179
Does every member
of this council

1905
02:36:26,179 --> 02:36:29,089
see them at the same
time in the same form

1906
02:36:29,089 --> 02:36:31,699
in the packet on the record?

1907
02:36:31,699 --> 02:36:34,189
Or it is critical information
about this partnership

1908
02:36:34,189 --> 02:36:36,799
Still travel person
to person arriving

1909
02:36:36,799 --> 02:36:39,139
at some desks and
not others shaping

1910
02:36:39,139 --> 02:36:42,079
some votes and not others.

1911
02:36:42,079 --> 02:36:46,039
Tonight I have a few asks
First, a standing policy

1912
02:36:46,039 --> 02:36:49,249
that any communication to any
council member concerning a town

1913
02:36:49,249 --> 02:36:51,679
contract or a vendor
or a proposed contract

1914
02:36:51,679 --> 02:36:56,089
or a vendor, whether it arrives
by email, letter or handshake

1915
02:36:56,089 --> 02:36:58,609
is logged and distributed
to the full council

1916
02:36:58,609 --> 02:37:01,249
and included in the
record before any vote

1917
02:37:01,249 --> 02:37:03,859
regarding the contract
or a vendor redacting

1918
02:37:03,859 --> 02:37:05,149
any personal information.

1919
02:37:05,149 --> 02:37:09,139
If the sender wishes to
be anonymous Matt Naveh,

1920
02:37:09,139 --> 02:37:11,539
could you please draft
something up for council

1921
02:37:11,539 --> 02:37:19,459
to discuss at another
meeting Might ensure

1922
02:37:19,459 --> 02:37:20,839
I'm following the direction.

1923
02:37:20,839 --> 02:37:29,989
Are you at four for clarity?

1924
02:37:29,989 --> 02:37:34,279
What you're asking for
is every communication

1925
02:37:34,279 --> 02:37:36,559
that we have with
an outside vendor

1926
02:37:36,559 --> 02:37:41,179
that we have a contract
with that we communicate

1927
02:37:41,179 --> 02:37:45,829
the discussions that we have
with those vendors with council

1928
02:37:45,829 --> 02:37:46,819
as well.

1929
02:37:46,819 --> 02:37:50,029
I'm saying if it's possible
something that a council member

1930
02:37:50,029 --> 02:37:53,449
received that it shared
with the rest of council,

1931
02:37:53,449 --> 02:37:57,259
if it could have anything to
do with a vote that could be

1932
02:37:57,259 --> 02:38:01,369
upcoming, it would be
difficult in the sense

1933
02:38:01,369 --> 02:38:04,249
that you're asking staff to
start going through all council

1934
02:38:04,249 --> 02:38:06,003
member emails.

1935
02:38:06,003 --> 02:38:08,449
I mean perhaps you
will want to discuss

1936
02:38:08,449 --> 02:38:13,429
a policy among yourselves
were if you want to forward it

1937
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:18,349
to staff, we can
distribute it Could there

1938
02:38:18,349 --> 02:38:23,959
be some kind of maybe if it's
not possible to have a policy,

1939
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:26,779
could it be something that the
Council agrees that all of us

1940
02:38:26,779 --> 02:38:30,474
would be, you know, willing
to forward on to everybody.

1941
02:38:30,474 --> 02:38:33,979
So that a situation like
this doesn't happen again?

1942
02:38:33,979 --> 02:38:35,569
Do you mind if I ask a question?

1943
02:38:35,569 --> 02:38:36,109
Sure.

1944
02:38:36,109 --> 02:38:38,989
So i know that we've
gotten letters that

1945
02:38:38,989 --> 02:38:41,239
have went into our junk mail.

1946
02:38:41,239 --> 02:38:44,719
I found in a letter from a
resident in my junk mail.

1947
02:38:44,719 --> 02:38:48,589
How do you know that Mayor
Loebsack or Mayor Pro

1948
02:38:48,589 --> 02:38:52,309
Tem or Troy Mullen
how do you know

1949
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:54,109
they even got those letters?

1950
02:38:54,109 --> 02:38:56,839
Because it was in their inbox
So they at least in the it

1951
02:38:56,839 --> 02:38:59,479
was in or in the
junk they at least

1952
02:38:59,479 --> 02:39:02,269
received it in their email Yeah,
but that's what I'm saying.

1953
02:39:02,269 --> 02:39:05,689
I've gotten we got all
of the council members

1954
02:39:05,689 --> 02:39:09,769
got a letter from a fake
person and i did not

1955
02:39:09,769 --> 02:39:12,109
see it until I was
asked by someone else,

1956
02:39:12,109 --> 02:39:14,539
Did you see the email?

1957
02:39:14,539 --> 02:39:16,369
And I said, No, I never got it.

1958
02:39:16,369 --> 02:39:21,229
And then i went in my junk
and found it So some sometimes

1959
02:39:21,229 --> 02:39:22,849
your junk delete stuff.

1960
02:39:22,849 --> 02:39:24,679
If you don't go in
there fast enough.

1961
02:39:24,679 --> 02:39:25,339
Right.

1962
02:39:25,339 --> 02:39:30,044
Isn't it set up like
that So I'm just curious

1963
02:39:30,044 --> 02:39:31,549
because I on the policy.

1964
02:39:31,549 --> 02:39:34,309
I don't know how that works,
but I know that all of council

1965
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:35,509
at least got that community.

1966
02:39:35,509 --> 02:39:38,299
Jason Well, that's why it was
available for all of council.

1967
02:39:38,299 --> 02:39:41,659
People should write
council at Johnstown Coker

1968
02:39:41,659 --> 02:39:44,119
and it goes to
every single person

1969
02:39:44,119 --> 02:39:47,899
So it i don't know how to
keep stuff out of the junk,

1970
02:39:47,899 --> 02:39:50,689
but I'm just saying I don't
know how you can say that.

1971
02:39:50,689 --> 02:39:54,229
They saw it because you don't
really have proof of that.

1972
02:39:54,229 --> 02:39:56,512
And that seems and they're
not here to defend themselves.

1973
02:39:56,512 --> 02:39:59,029
I didn't I said that at
least two inboxes got it.

1974
02:39:59,029 --> 02:40:00,102
I didn't say they got it.

1975
02:40:00,102 --> 02:40:01,069
And they that's what I meant.

1976
02:40:01,069 --> 02:40:01,639
I didn't say that.

1977
02:40:01,639 --> 02:40:02,406
That's what I'm asking.

1978
02:40:02,406 --> 02:40:04,129
What if they never saw it?

1979
02:40:04,129 --> 02:40:05,627
I mean, it's alluding
to that, again,

1980
02:40:05,627 --> 02:40:07,957
that something was
not that was shady

1981
02:40:07,957 --> 02:40:10,225
when we don't know
that, again, that's

1982
02:40:10,225 --> 02:40:11,389
okay That's all I'm saying.

1983
02:40:11,389 --> 02:40:14,179
That's all my question was,
if I could add a small point

1984
02:40:14,179 --> 02:40:16,669
to theirs, as you
all very well Now,

1985
02:40:16,669 --> 02:40:19,669
I believe there's a difference
between a quasi judicial and

1986
02:40:19,669 --> 02:40:22,999
legislative actions and
citizens are certainly

1987
02:40:22,999 --> 02:40:25,609
allowed to reach out
when it comes to more

1988
02:40:25,609 --> 02:40:28,999
of a legislative type of
decision, which this probably

1989
02:40:28,999 --> 02:40:34,079
was at that point So I'm not
sure whether that here nor there

1990
02:40:34,079 --> 02:40:36,579
as to your request, I
think if council wants

1991
02:40:36,579 --> 02:40:40,489
to make a decision to share all
their emails they certainly can.

1992
02:40:40,489 --> 02:40:44,509
If you decide to do that
rather than start replying

1993
02:40:44,509 --> 02:40:48,349
all and the potential
to create a meeting,

1994
02:40:48,349 --> 02:40:51,769
you could for them if you
got an individual email,

1995
02:40:51,769 --> 02:40:56,095
you could forward it to Matt or
Megan However, the protocol gets

1996
02:40:56,095 --> 02:40:58,879
established and asked that
that be added to a packet.

1997
02:40:58,879 --> 02:41:00,469
If you get an
individual email and you

1998
02:41:00,469 --> 02:41:02,449
wanted that into a packet,
that could be done.

1999
02:41:02,449 --> 02:41:05,719
I would like to formally request
my email be deleted completely.

2000
02:41:05,719 --> 02:41:07,489
I don't want to go
through all those emails.

2001
02:41:07,489 --> 02:41:12,560
I'm just saying I'd
rather not get any,

2002
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:16,489
but i put my number out there
multiple times on the breeze.

2003
02:41:16,489 --> 02:41:19,339
Add on one ad that
was on there, I

2004
02:41:19,339 --> 02:41:23,179
would rather someone call and
talk to me about any issues.

2005
02:41:23,179 --> 02:41:25,909
We got so many emails
regarding this topic.

2006
02:41:25,909 --> 02:41:26,899
It is a lot.

2007
02:41:26,899 --> 02:41:30,949
So not that we don't read them,
but to try to reply to everybody

2008
02:41:30,949 --> 02:41:32,599
and then if things
go in the junk

2009
02:41:32,599 --> 02:41:34,192
and we don't get
back to Bobby Sue,

2010
02:41:34,192 --> 02:41:36,049
then Bobby sue thinks
we ignored her.

2011
02:41:36,049 --> 02:41:36,979
When we did not.

2012
02:41:36,979 --> 02:41:39,469
It was in junk and it
possibly got deleted.

2013
02:41:39,469 --> 02:41:41,460
That's all I'm saying So
I don't know how you're

2014
02:41:41,460 --> 02:41:42,730
thinking this might work, but.

2015
02:41:42,730 --> 02:41:43,638
OK, that's all.

2016
02:41:43,638 --> 02:41:46,339
I'll bring something up at a
different time than about it.

2017
02:41:46,339 --> 02:41:46,849
I just.

2018
02:41:46,849 --> 02:41:47,779
Let's find out.

2019
02:41:47,779 --> 02:41:52,009
But second, I would like to ask
now that the 2017 letter has

2020
02:41:52,009 --> 02:41:53,569
surfaced that it
be formally entered

2021
02:41:53,569 --> 02:41:56,150
into the record of this
council Nine years late.

2022
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:58,789
So that's finally where it
should have been transferred

2023
02:41:58,789 --> 02:42:01,579
Parent The people who
wrote the letter signed it

2024
02:42:01,579 --> 02:42:04,129
as former employees
and members of the why,

2025
02:42:04,129 --> 02:42:05,569
they had nothing to gain.

2026
02:42:05,569 --> 02:42:07,489
They wrote to a small
town that they had never

2027
02:42:07,489 --> 02:42:10,159
lived in because they
believed we deserved to decide

2028
02:42:10,159 --> 02:42:13,369
with our eyes open to
people possible We opened

2029
02:42:13,369 --> 02:42:15,079
and read that email tonight.

2030
02:42:15,079 --> 02:42:17,449
We can finally
finished delivering it.

2031
02:42:17,449 --> 02:42:20,569
And I also want to make a pledge
tonight that letter surfaced

2032
02:42:20,569 --> 02:42:21,889
online a few weeks ago.

2033
02:42:21,889 --> 02:42:25,069
And while some dismissed it
as a disgruntled employee

2034
02:42:25,069 --> 02:42:27,919
I saw it as someone who
cared enough to speak up.

2035
02:42:27,919 --> 02:42:29,539
They chose to stay anonymous.

2036
02:42:29,539 --> 02:42:32,524
And I understand why coming
forward is never easy

2037
02:42:32,524 --> 02:42:35,929
no matter where you work
Strong organizations

2038
02:42:35,929 --> 02:42:37,729
welcome honest feedback.

2039
02:42:37,729 --> 02:42:40,189
That's true of the best
towns, the best companies

2040
02:42:40,189 --> 02:42:42,169
and the best partnerships.

2041
02:42:42,169 --> 02:42:43,909
So tonight, I want
anyone connected

2042
02:42:43,909 --> 02:42:46,249
to the town of Johnstown
through any of its contractors

2043
02:42:46,249 --> 02:42:47,989
or vendors to know this.

2044
02:42:47,989 --> 02:42:51,049
If you ever have information
you believe should be heard,

2045
02:42:51,049 --> 02:42:52,459
I'm here to listen.

2046
02:42:52,459 --> 02:42:53,929
I will help protect
your identity.

2047
02:42:53,929 --> 02:42:55,579
If that is your concern.

2048
02:42:55,579 --> 02:42:59,779
Speaking up in good faith should
never come at a personal cost

2049
02:42:59,779 --> 02:43:02,749
And hey, anyone out there who
has already faced retaliation

2050
02:43:02,749 --> 02:43:05,149
for speaking up, I'm
sorry that happen

2051
02:43:05,149 --> 02:43:07,039
And I know where
you're coming from.

2052
02:43:07,039 --> 02:43:11,629
Stay strong and keep up the good
fight because you will prevail.

2053
02:43:11,629 --> 02:43:13,399
And I'm glad I listened
when concerns were

2054
02:43:13,399 --> 02:43:15,439
raised about the rec
center, because listening

2055
02:43:15,439 --> 02:43:16,549
is how we get better.

2056
02:43:16,549 --> 02:43:19,219
That is my commitment to
anyone out there weighing

2057
02:43:19,219 --> 02:43:20,509
whether to come forward.

2058
02:43:20,509 --> 02:43:23,059
My door is open I
will listen and I

2059
02:43:23,059 --> 02:43:25,223
will help in any way I can.

2060
02:43:25,223 --> 02:43:28,099
I'm not making a motion
tonight I will be submitting it

2061
02:43:28,099 --> 02:43:31,519
in writing and I am asking that
it be placed on the August 3rd

2062
02:43:31,519 --> 02:43:35,839
agenda under new business A
motion to amend our june 22nd

2063
02:43:35,839 --> 02:43:38,719
direction by striking
the clause asking

2064
02:43:38,719 --> 02:43:40,939
the town to work
to amend the damage

2065
02:43:40,939 --> 02:43:43,639
and reputation of the YMCA.

2066
02:43:43,639 --> 02:43:46,309
And let me be clear
about what my ask is.

2067
02:43:46,309 --> 02:43:50,179
The partnership continues the
direction to staff to negotiate

2068
02:43:50,179 --> 02:43:51,259
continues.

2069
02:43:51,259 --> 02:43:55,429
The 90 day cap is untouched
and it does not leave a silent

2070
02:43:55,429 --> 02:43:59,059
about how people are treated
because the amendment replaces

2071
02:43:59,059 --> 02:44:03,169
that clause with a directive
that public communication

2072
02:44:03,169 --> 02:44:06,229
regarding our operating
partner be factually

2073
02:44:06,229 --> 02:44:10,609
accurate and consistent with
our audited financial reporting

2074
02:44:10,609 --> 02:44:13,669
and that town staff
and YMCA employees be

2075
02:44:13,669 --> 02:44:16,399
treated with respect
and professionalism

2076
02:44:16,399 --> 02:44:18,265
in every public forum.

2077
02:44:18,265 --> 02:44:22,309
What changes is one thing this
council would stop officially

2078
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:25,399
certifying without a hearing
and without a finding

2079
02:44:25,399 --> 02:44:27,379
that the concerns raised
about this partner

2080
02:44:27,379 --> 02:44:32,149
were false because as
this 2017 letter shows,

2081
02:44:32,149 --> 02:44:35,539
concerns about the organization
existed long before anyone

2082
02:44:35,539 --> 02:44:37,549
in Johnstown ever raised them.

2083
02:44:37,549 --> 02:44:39,079
And some of what
we were told was

2084
02:44:39,079 --> 02:44:42,949
false has since been confirmed
by our own audit You will

2085
02:44:42,949 --> 02:44:45,049
each have the full
text in their packet

2086
02:44:45,049 --> 02:44:47,629
after I send it to RB
for review with time

2087
02:44:47,629 --> 02:44:49,729
to read it before
you're asked to vote.

2088
02:44:49,729 --> 02:44:54,829
And that is the standard that
i'm asking the Council to adopt

2089
02:44:54,829 --> 02:44:59,365
And then I want to
explain tonight.

2090
02:44:59,365 --> 02:45:03,619
Why I voted no on the moratorium
Everyone who has concerns

2091
02:45:03,619 --> 02:45:06,586
tonight, they are
valid concerns.

2092
02:45:06,586 --> 02:45:10,249
However each one of those could
be addressed in smart policy.

2093
02:45:10,249 --> 02:45:13,939
Each one is measurable limits
can be set with strict policies

2094
02:45:13,939 --> 02:45:17,149
for failing to adhere
to those policies.

2095
02:45:17,149 --> 02:45:19,429
Policy can be written
that protects the town.

2096
02:45:19,429 --> 02:45:21,709
The resident and the
way of life that we all

2097
02:45:21,709 --> 02:45:24,919
enjoy Oh, my mind is
not made up on what

2098
02:45:24,919 --> 02:45:27,109
needs to exist in the policy.

2099
02:45:27,109 --> 02:45:29,359
My mind is made
only made up that we

2100
02:45:29,359 --> 02:45:33,229
need a policy over what we
have now and that is nothing.

2101
02:45:33,229 --> 02:45:35,509
I ran on conservative beliefs.

2102
02:45:35,509 --> 02:45:38,539
I believe in small government I
believe that government should

2103
02:45:38,539 --> 02:45:41,419
set guardrails to make sure
everyone's playing fairly

2104
02:45:41,419 --> 02:45:43,909
and that the town and
resident are protected.

2105
02:45:43,909 --> 02:45:47,059
But I am not a fan of
overreaching regulations

2106
02:45:47,059 --> 02:45:51,103
and saying, no, even pausing is
government overreach no matter

2107
02:45:51,103 --> 02:45:55,099
what the topic is I believe
the council can protect

2108
02:45:55,099 --> 02:45:59,029
the town by creating good
policy and some policies

2109
02:45:59,029 --> 02:46:03,019
need to be continuously
updated Second,

2110
02:46:03,019 --> 02:46:07,121
it's council's job to have open
eyes, open ears and open hearts.

2111
02:46:07,121 --> 02:46:08,629
Anyone who runs
for council should

2112
02:46:08,629 --> 02:46:10,519
love where they live
and want what's best

2113
02:46:10,519 --> 02:46:13,279
for our town over themselves.

2114
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:14,569
They should be impartial.

2115
02:46:14,569 --> 02:46:17,029
Look at the facts and
make fair judgments

2116
02:46:17,029 --> 02:46:21,559
and absolutely explain why they
voted the way they did Council

2117
02:46:21,559 --> 02:46:25,219
only works if there is trust
transparency and accountable

2118
02:46:25,219 --> 02:46:30,319
city No one person can
push something through It

2119
02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:33,859
takes a majority vote and
that's why there's seven of us.

2120
02:46:33,859 --> 02:46:36,979
Good members of council are
lifelong learners They do

2121
02:46:36,979 --> 02:46:40,669
their homework by researching
and investigating all aspects

2122
02:46:40,669 --> 02:46:45,469
of a particular topic as best
as they can Each council member

2123
02:46:45,469 --> 02:46:49,489
represents all 22,000 residents,
not just the residents that we

2124
02:46:49,489 --> 02:46:52,789
want to represent I
can't speak for everyone,

2125
02:46:52,789 --> 02:46:56,509
but it's not always an
easy job to do for myself.

2126
02:46:56,509 --> 02:46:58,039
I read every email.

2127
02:46:58,039 --> 02:47:00,979
I'm active on social media
I give full attention

2128
02:47:00,979 --> 02:47:02,659
to every public comment.

2129
02:47:02,659 --> 02:47:04,456
So I'm listening
I'm researching.

2130
02:47:04,456 --> 02:47:08,119
And I spend a ton of time
on this because I care.

2131
02:47:08,119 --> 02:47:11,149
Some of us up here have kids
and even grandkids and we all

2132
02:47:11,149 --> 02:47:13,009
want to leave something
great to them.

2133
02:47:13,009 --> 02:47:14,929
The goal is to make
Johnstown the place they

2134
02:47:14,929 --> 02:47:16,849
want to live when they grow up.

2135
02:47:16,849 --> 02:47:20,089
The ultimate goal is to make
anyone who wants to live here

2136
02:47:20,089 --> 02:47:22,939
be able to live here
and truly believe

2137
02:47:22,939 --> 02:47:27,021
that Johnstown is the community
that cares nothing further.

2138
02:47:27,021 --> 02:47:28,189
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

2139
02:47:28,189 --> 02:47:29,869
You know report tonight.

2140
02:47:29,869 --> 02:47:31,809
Thank you Thank you.

2141
02:47:31,809 --> 02:47:32,609
Mayor Pro tem.

2142
02:47:32,609 --> 02:47:35,509
Yeah, I before I
jump into my speech,

2143
02:47:35,509 --> 02:47:37,879
Commissioner always be
can we get with Mr. York

2144
02:47:37,879 --> 02:47:40,429
and see how we
can fix that radar

2145
02:47:40,429 --> 02:47:41,479
problem that he brought up?

2146
02:47:41,479 --> 02:47:46,009
And also, if we can get a, you
know, a big scare crowed Mr.

2147
02:47:46,009 --> 02:47:46,999
York, because he's a big guy.

2148
02:47:46,999 --> 02:47:48,291
I've never seen
in person before.

2149
02:47:48,291 --> 02:47:50,119
And maybe to scare
those weeds away,

2150
02:47:50,119 --> 02:47:53,629
I think that would be great
But thank you for the comments

2151
02:47:53,629 --> 02:47:56,309
and bringing that to us tonight
I really appreciate that.

2152
02:47:56,309 --> 02:47:56,809
All right.

2153
02:47:56,809 --> 02:47:58,639
With that, before
we adjourn, I like

2154
02:47:58,639 --> 02:48:01,779
to leave everyone with
one final thought tonight

2155
02:48:01,779 --> 02:48:03,079
We heard different perspective.

2156
02:48:03,079 --> 02:48:05,479
And that's the very nature of
a representative government

2157
02:48:05,479 --> 02:48:06,949
government.

2158
02:48:06,949 --> 02:48:08,749
Our responsibility
as elected officials

2159
02:48:08,749 --> 02:48:11,629
is not to chase every
opinion or every moment,

2160
02:48:11,629 --> 02:48:15,011
but to listen respectfully,
deliberate, thoughtfully make

2161
02:48:15,011 --> 02:48:15,511
decisions.

2162
02:48:15,511 --> 02:48:17,851
We believe will best serve
the long term interests of

2163
02:48:17,851 --> 02:48:19,969
the entire johnstown community.

2164
02:48:19,969 --> 02:48:23,269
Leadership is tested most
when opinions differ,

2165
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:25,699
and those moments our
duty is to remain steady,

2166
02:48:25,699 --> 02:48:27,589
to uphold public
trust, and to continue

2167
02:48:27,589 --> 02:48:29,719
moving the community
forward with integrity

2168
02:48:29,719 --> 02:48:32,389
humility and purpose.

2169
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:34,939
Tomorrow, the work continues
Our police officers will

2170
02:48:34,939 --> 02:48:36,439
answer the calls for service.

2171
02:48:36,439 --> 02:48:38,179
Our firefighters
and first responders

2172
02:48:38,179 --> 02:48:41,329
will stand ready Our public
works crew will maintain

2173
02:48:41,329 --> 02:48:43,129
our streets and infrastructure.

2174
02:48:43,129 --> 02:48:45,019
Our staff will continue
serving our residents

2175
02:48:45,019 --> 02:48:46,669
with professionalism
and dedication

2176
02:48:46,669 --> 02:48:49,489
to their quiet,
consistent work is what

2177
02:48:49,489 --> 02:48:50,839
keeps this community strong.

2178
02:48:50,839 --> 02:48:52,789
And I want to thank
every town employee

2179
02:48:52,789 --> 02:48:55,489
for their unwavering
commitment an unwavering

2180
02:48:55,489 --> 02:48:57,619
commitment to public service.

2181
02:48:57,619 --> 02:49:00,259
Before we leave tonight, I
ask that we pause and remember

2182
02:49:00,259 --> 02:49:01,999
the 17 American
service members who

2183
02:49:01,999 --> 02:49:05,119
have given their lives for
the ongoing conflict in Iran.

2184
02:49:05,119 --> 02:49:06,709
As a retired Air
Force member, I know

2185
02:49:06,709 --> 02:49:10,579
that behind every name is a
family forever changed Brothers

2186
02:49:10,579 --> 02:49:14,239
and sisters in arms
carry immeasurable loss

2187
02:49:14,239 --> 02:49:17,209
and a nation forever
indebted to their sacrifice

2188
02:49:17,209 --> 02:49:19,849
Their courage reminds us
of the freedoms we enjoy,

2189
02:49:19,849 --> 02:49:22,609
even the freedom to gather in
this chamber, to debate openly

2190
02:49:22,609 --> 02:49:27,229
and to disagree respectfully
have always come at a price.

2191
02:49:27,229 --> 02:49:29,539
Let us honor the memory
not only with our words,

2192
02:49:29,539 --> 02:49:31,939
but with how we
serve one another.

2193
02:49:31,939 --> 02:49:33,289
May we lead with humility?

2194
02:49:33,289 --> 02:49:36,601
Treat one another with dignity
and never lose sight on the fact

2195
02:49:36,601 --> 02:49:38,989
we are blessed to call
this country our home.

2196
02:49:38,989 --> 02:49:40,589
And this community, our own.

2197
02:49:40,589 --> 02:49:42,409
Thank you to my
fellow council members

2198
02:49:42,409 --> 02:49:45,619
for your service to our
staff, for your dedication

2199
02:49:45,619 --> 02:49:48,019
and to every resident who
took the time to participate

2200
02:49:48,019 --> 02:49:51,229
this evening May God bless the
families of those who have made

2201
02:49:51,229 --> 02:49:54,589
the ultimate sacrifice Watch
over the men and women serving

2202
02:49:54,589 --> 02:49:56,599
around the world
tonight and continue

2203
02:49:56,599 --> 02:49:59,239
to bless the town of Johnstown,
the great state of Colorado,

2204
02:49:59,239 --> 02:50:01,039
and the United
states of America.

2205
02:50:01,039 --> 02:50:04,429
Thank you, everyone
Have a safe evening.

2206
02:50:04,429 --> 02:50:08,509
That's it for me tonight on this
of closing comments With that,

2207
02:50:08,509 --> 02:50:13,159
we'll go ahead and move into
executive session an executive

2208
02:50:13,159 --> 02:50:15,409
session to discuss the
purchase of acquisition,

2209
02:50:15,409 --> 02:50:20,269
lease transfer or sale of
any real person or personnel

2210
02:50:20,269 --> 02:50:21,829
or other property
interest percent

2211
02:50:21,829 --> 02:50:25,879
this year as 20 4-6-424 alpha.

2212
02:50:25,879 --> 02:50:31,609
With that I'll go and I
suppose you the counsel moved.

2213
02:50:31,609 --> 02:50:36,063
I'll second it motion by Council
member Burke seconded by myself.

2214
02:50:36,063 --> 02:50:38,389
What's go and put
it to voice vote.

2215
02:50:38,389 --> 02:50:39,829
All in favor say aye.

2216
02:50:39,829 --> 02:50:41,659
Aye Aye all oppose
Ayes have it We're

2217
02:50:41,659 --> 03:12:24,049
in executive session number I'm
the way of relating All right.

2218
03:12:24,049 --> 03:12:27,259
We're back in session
No other topics were

2219
03:12:27,259 --> 03:12:28,729
discussed or voted on tonight.

2220
03:12:28,729 --> 03:12:33,459
We're adjourned And
no decisions were made